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The Failure of ON THE LOT and how a good idea, corporatized to "quasi good tv" motivates filmmakers to create KarmaCritic!

Hey folks, Harry here... I've had a lot of friends that were excited about OnTheLot - but I always kinda felt it'd be bullshit, like most reality contests. I had sources that told me pretty much all of this story, as it was playing out for quite some time. I chimed out, when I watched the films by the contestants they chose. There's a couple of very talented filmmakers there... but there were a ton that were far better. And you really have to go no further than the folks that did the GRINDHOUSE trailers to see how wrong this show went. They sought television personalities, not filmmakers... It's sad that Spielberg and Fox didn't recognize the organic film community that they had created and allowed it to naturally evolve... but that doesn't adhere to TV production schedules... They needed to allow filmmakers the freedome to be as wild as they wanted - and bleep or blur objectionable material for an UNRATED DVD release later. It's just sad... however, Look what's happened... some OnTheLot-ers have taken matters into their own hand - and for everyone that wanted to see it done with more freedom... here you go...

Hey Harry... the story I have to tell you, involves the reality TV show ON THE LOT, and how it alienated us contestants, and how we made our own site and how FOX's VP of Branded Media fought us personally in Wikipedia, and how we have our own contest now... and how you can help make a lot of dreams come true for a lot of people.

Its a lot so I better get started.

Like almost 16 000 wannabe filmmakers from around the world, I joined OTL after seeing Speilberg's face at thelot.com and taking him at his word that it was going to be really cool. And it was, at first. I'm talking about December last year, maybe January. By February, things started to turn sour. The submissions deadline was Feb 16th, and there was way too much speculation about who would be called for round 2, and whether it would be announced, and what would happen. We all signed a lengthy contract but so many things had happened differently than what was written, that.. true to Hollywood, "nobody knew anything". Except the producers of course. They had already picked their 100 or so semifinalists by January, thats right, they already knew who was going to round 2, before round 1 was even over. I know this from talking to semifinalists who submitted their round 2 film sometime in January. Hold on to that thought, I will recall it in a little while.

By March, moderation at thelot.com had turned basically Orwellian. Threads were deleted, accounts were deactivated, blogs censored... all for -speaking- anything negative about the show. It was ridiculous. I wasnt one of the people bashing the show, actually, to be honest, when I started seeing contestants drop off much like Nazi officers during the Night of the Long Knives, I figured they probably had done something to deserve it. But then it kept happening man. Over and over, by April it reached the point where the banned list read like a Who's Who of the best filmmakers in OTL. Oh yes, we knew each other. You see, despite FOX, we had become a community, and we knew each other. Many films and partnerships happened because of networking over at OTL, despite Big Brother.

By my birthday, April 21st, I had had enough. The deletions of contestants were getting ridiculous. When the moderator quoted to me from the contract, where it says "FOX reserves the right to delete (anything) for any reason at any time", that did it. I started a new website, for the community of exiles from OTL. That day, right there. It was done by the weekend (its a drupal installation, not as complex as AICN, but you get what I mean). And within hours of opening, we had a flood of really talented exiles, plenty of semifinalists, including people who told Ratner ... things.. in his face... things... that they were contractually not supposed to tell me about :)

And thats how karmacritic.com became thelot.com's public enemy number 1. Even to this day, if anybody, no matter how established or respected, posts the words "karmacritic" over there... the words first turn automatically into "BLEEP". Within 5 minutes the post is deleted, within 10 minutes the user's account is banned, and in 15 minutes his whole IP is banned (so he wont make new accounts). Then all the posts that person EVER made, go byebye too. OTL uses drupal, like you do in aintitcool.com, like I do in karmacritic.com, so you know all these things are possible with Watchdog triggers. They do it.

Here's the part about Jeff King, Vicepresident of FOX's Branded Media: someone (not me) posted in Wikipedia about karmacritic in the entry for ON THE LOT. At first it was a just a throwaway sentence, but as more people got banned, I guess they started venting a little bit over there, talking about how the "worldwide search" for the 50 semifinalists turned up 21 from Los Angeles, and 48 lived in the US, or how Canada had contributed 30% of the submissions and gotten 4% of the spots, etc etc. And of course, talking about how a bunch of exiles had left for KarmaCritic. Well, one day all of that was just gone. As you know, Wikipedia records the IP address of whoever edits it anonymously, so it was simple for me to track it to 20th Century Fox. I posted about it in my blog, and I guess the person saw it, and the next wikipedia revert was done using an account: "jeffkingla". Of course, if you google that, you'll land in the myspace account of Jeff King, and he says there, he's the VP of FOX's Branded Media. So thats when I knew they really had it for us. (Links and my tale of when it happened, can be found here: Click ).

Anyway, I'll wrap it up because you're a busy guy. When OTL's ratings went to the toilet, a producer put his foot down and said no more money would be sunk on letting the remaining contestants make new flicks. So, creative as always, FOX started using all of the 2nd and 3rd round submissions films from back in January/ February, and passing them as new. How they get away with lies like this without someone suing them is beyond me. But until last week, thats exactly what they did.

Meanwhile KarmaCritic has kept going, and now I can claim six degrees of separation from you: my friend Ezequiel Martinez (a writer, one of the semifinalists) is a friend of Lee Alfred III, who is working with Tarantino on HELLRIDE, who is your buddy. Yay! 4 degrees, actually, nice!

And through connections like this, we got Jon Brown, the manager of STEVEN DE SOUZA and Tova Laiter, the producer of DIE HARD 3, EVITA, and others, to be judges for OUR OWN CONTEST.

And that Harry, is why I write to you today. God, I dont know if you've read this far, I so hope you have. Our Screenwriting development contest is not a typical contest where you just submit and forget about it until they call you. Round 1 is a one-page synopsis, a video pitch, and the first five pages of the script. Round 2 is a treatment, and the first 30 pages. Round 3 is the whole shebang and the prize is to get repped by Jon Brown and hopefully shopped around town by Tova Laiter. Harry, Karmacritic represents a lot of things that are good about filmmaking. It wasnt just standing up to "the Man", as much as it was creating a place, a community of talented people who want to collaborate and just create cool-ass films.

So all this leads me to show you our promo. Its right here:

Click

(actually, that's my version of it, Ezequiel's version is a lot faster, right here: Click )

I'm telling you all this, you may do what you will with this info man. If you were to help us pass the word about our contest (round 1 begins 7/7/7) ... you'd make enough good KARMA to last you for three generations. But up to you. We're sending a press release to every other news site, but this is the first email that goes out, (and all the others will be from a template btw), because I've been an AICN fan for a long long time.. for many reasons.

Take care, its a shame I'll never be able to enjoy a buttnumbathon at the Drafthouse anymore. Its one of the things I wanted to do in life before I die, but ah well.

Marco

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wow
by jonboy83
Jul 1st, 2007
08:28:24 PM
This post needs Cliff's Notes
by Mahaloth
Jul 1st, 2007
08:32:27 PM
Good idea, terrible execution
by Neutron
Jul 1st, 2007
08:33:31 PM
Filmmakers? ha.
by KyleKrane
Jul 1st, 2007
08:42:44 PM
On The Lot.
by Alex Trevelyan
Jul 1st, 2007
08:44:51 PM
What now?
by SkidMarkedUndies
Jul 1st, 2007
08:58:05 PM
Thought it was crap
by Pr_Frink
Jul 1st, 2007
09:06:51 PM
Mixing reality TV and art is NEVER a good idea
by IndustryKiller!
Jul 1st, 2007
09:08:11 PM
Marco: Awesome work!
by snowpuff
Jul 1st, 2007
09:14:32 PM
OK...
by jimmy_009
Jul 1st, 2007
09:20:17 PM
Brett Ratner: "Your film is style over substance."
by Kasch
Jul 1st, 2007
09:34:40 PM
The minute you have any Reality TV show were people get
by Yeti
Jul 1st, 2007
09:34:50 PM
That show represents so much of why Hollywood
by veritasses
Jul 1st, 2007
09:44:34 PM
Con
by Larry of Arabia
Jul 1st, 2007
10:34:37 PM
So...
by MC-909
Jul 1st, 2007
10:38:05 PM
IF you said something bad to Ratner to his face...
by Larry of Arabia
Jul 1st, 2007
10:39:18 PM
veritasses
by half vader
Jul 1st, 2007
10:46:16 PM
This is awesome.
by Winterchili
Jul 1st, 2007
11:08:27 PM
Yes!
by Hercules
Jul 1st, 2007
11:22:34 PM
hey man, only aicn.com knows the truth...oh, and
by RetroActive
Jul 1st, 2007
11:28:43 PM
Is there anything backing this up?
by jimmy_009
Jul 1st, 2007
11:29:19 PM
director of ''georgia rule" telling me my film sucks?
by angrykirby.tk
Jul 1st, 2007
11:39:03 PM
I feel ya but NEWSFLASH - IT'S THEIR BLOODY SHOW
by aceattorney
Jul 1st, 2007
11:50:00 PM
This statement isn't true
by Hockle
Jul 1st, 2007
11:58:07 PM
I've Got A Great Idea
by topaz4206
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:05:18 AM
topaz4206
by SelfSentered
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:17:32 AM
they should have done it youtube style
by paulmkelly
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:21:56 AM
SelfSentered
by topaz4206
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:33:33 AM
Ratner
by SwiftCrusader
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:36:29 AM
topaz4206
by SelfSentered
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:46:08 AM
topaz4206
by SelfSentered
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:49:09 AM
SwiftCrusader, Entourage
by DanDelion
Jul 2nd, 2007
01:00:41 AM
Wes Craven has a beer and cheats on Herc with a Tree
by Jochapma
Jul 2nd, 2007
01:14:37 AM
SelfSentered
by topaz4206
Jul 2nd, 2007
01:17:23 AM
The show did blow,
by JacksParasites
Jul 2nd, 2007
01:58:27 AM
The sly FOX strikes again
by Talkbacker with no name
Jul 2nd, 2007
02:35:13 AM
Johnny Drama's verbal bitchslap of Ratner was awesome!
by FilmCritic3000
Jul 2nd, 2007
04:26:55 AM
Say what? A bunch of rejected egomaniacs aren't happy?
by InfinityWave
Jul 2nd, 2007
04:51:35 AM
Just do another Greenlight
by Jinxo
Jul 2nd, 2007
05:00:59 AM
Some responses to the talkbackers
by Drathan
Jul 2nd, 2007
07:08:35 AM
I don't know what to tell you...
by FilmNerdJamie
Jul 2nd, 2007
07:39:31 AM
FilmNerdJamie
by Drathan
Jul 2nd, 2007
07:45:12 AM
Spielberg...
by FilmNerdJamie
Jul 2nd, 2007
07:56:56 AM
Worth Watching
by Fount of Useless Info
Jul 2nd, 2007
08:41:06 AM
chimed out?
by Schih Thayde
Jul 2nd, 2007
08:52:38 AM
YEAH!
by EZEQUIEL
Jul 2nd, 2007
10:22:15 AM
re: half vader
by veritasses
Jul 2nd, 2007
10:55:18 AM
The lot sounds awfully familiar
by emeraldboy
Jul 2nd, 2007
11:06:58 AM
When you lose something, like a competition
by emeraldboy
Jul 2nd, 2007
11:51:02 AM
NOT REALLY
by EZEQUIEL
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:01:59 PM
They ARE still shooting new movies
by Dannychico
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:16:43 PM
Dannychico
by Drathan
Jul 2nd, 2007
12:44:45 PM
Karmacritic is just "On the Lot" for Losers
by hjrogers
Jul 2nd, 2007
01:12:15 PM
The Last time I checked--"on the lot" was losing!
by EZEQUIEL
Jul 2nd, 2007
01:57:23 PM
KarmaCritic.com
by ewokstew
Jul 2nd, 2007
02:05:32 PM
And I should care because...?
by Tal111
Jul 2nd, 2007
02:12:58 PM
KARMACRITIC
by EZEQUIEL
Jul 2nd, 2007
02:22:16 PM
Karmacritic
by jimmy_009
Jul 2nd, 2007
03:41:42 PM
"not as complex as AICN"
by chrth
Jul 2nd, 2007
03:47:22 PM
Jimmy_009
by Drathan
Jul 2nd, 2007
04:03:58 PM
wait my argument is right too
by jonboy83
Jul 2nd, 2007
04:24:32 PM
Drathan
by antonphd
Jul 2nd, 2007
04:40:36 PM
Thanks antonphd!
by Drathan
Jul 2nd, 2007
04:54:19 PM
You mean Reality TV isn't real?
by The Ref
Jul 2nd, 2007
05:17:49 PM
Well hey, we learned a lesson...
by Hyphin
Jul 2nd, 2007
05:20:53 PM
Good points Hyphin
by Drathan
Jul 2nd, 2007
05:30:59 PM
Drathan
by jimmy_009
Jul 2nd, 2007
05:53:55 PM
eli roth is the guest judge on tomorrows episode
by brucecampbell
Jul 2nd, 2007
06:02:40 PM
You have every right to question Jimmy_009
by Drathan
Jul 2nd, 2007
06:13:40 PM
I wouldn't lend Karmacritic that much credibility...
by pizzatheface
Jul 2nd, 2007
08:00:30 PM
Why not the Nicholls, Disney, AFF, etc.?
by hjrogers
Jul 2nd, 2007
08:07:05 PM
HJRogers, nice to see a familiar face
by Drathan
Jul 2nd, 2007
09:01:36 PM
I respect anyone who takes things into their own hands.
by Fabulous Freak
Jul 2nd, 2007
09:26:42 PM
Fabulous Freak
by Tal111
Jul 2nd, 2007
10:51:04 PM
On The Lot shorts are L-A-M-E --- O
by Quake II
Jul 3rd, 2007
01:17:20 AM
Tal111
by Fabulous Freak
Jul 3rd, 2007
12:09:12 PM
respect to jimmy 009
by half vader
Jul 3rd, 2007
08:55:25 PM
Producers
by Cobbio
Jul 4th, 2007
09:34:30 AM
Hmm ...
by krack
Jul 5th, 2007
03:24:23 AM
Cobbio
by hjrogers
Jul 5th, 2007
10:28:01 PM
Re: hjrogers
by Cobbio
Jul 6th, 2007
08:26:13 AM

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