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Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. Surrender to Michael Bay. I’ll have my own review of TRANSFORMERS up later today, but for now, I’m just going to suggest you wave the white flag and prepare yourself, because resistance is futile. I know, I know... you don’t believe me. I understand. After all, you guys have been ranting in talkbacks for months now about everything they’ve gotten wrong and there’s no way the film works... right? Well, let’s check in with Messi, one of the most vocal of the talkback detractors, and the first of them to see the film:
Damn you Michael Bay. So I'm one of the known detractors of this movie (a dickwad according to Michael Bay). I will address all the issues brought up on AICN. It's a shame all my posts got deleted but I'm back. Transformers has been the most controversial movie on AICN for a while, the threads are always huge, being near Aqu@fag like levels and not being incoherent rambling. Is this movie TINO? Is Michael Bay Damned? All will be addressed but first I want to say this. I always said that I was sure it was going to be a fun summer movie but I didn't just want that. I want Transformers. So is this Transformers or TINO(Transformers in Name only)? Yes and No. I also said that the Nostalgia crowd is the biggest demographic and people (idiot transformers fans on the official movie site (wishfulthinking) and tfw2005.com (redsquadron) and here too) lambasted me for this, saying "get over it, it needs to move forward and isn't aimed at us, it's aimed at kids", well you were proven wrong. I went to a midday screening on a weekday and the theatre was half packed(which means people are interested and for an early screening on a weekday it's huge) and I look around, and not 1 child, everyone was in their 20's at least. I walk out and the line for the next session had 3 kids and then a bunch of adults. This is banking on the nostalgia factor but after seeing the movie, I think I may be wrong in the designs having THAT much of an impact, i'm sure the box office would be a little bigger but it won't take as much a hit, I don't see people being as angry about the flames or Megatron being a tribal tattoo. This movie is Huge. It's probably the second biggest most expensive looking movie i've ever seen after Return of the King. It makes At World's End look like some student Film from UCLA. Michael '12 Action set pieces' Bay Denis knows how to use his cash, which makes my mind boggle at how Superman Returns cost 200 mil when this supposedly cost less, yet this seems as big as the LOTR films and doesn't come off as a Will and Grace episode. This also makes me think that unless there is a Transformers 2 with Devastator (unlikely now, explained later) and the Dinobots, or a Simarillion series of movies or an Infinite Crisis movie, I can't see any movie being bigger than this for along time, not even a JLA movie. Is it a good fun summer ride movie? No, it's a pretty great fun summer ride movie. Totally shits on the other blockbusters out this year and last. I mean I thought it'd be cool and I was excited but I was surprised I had so much fun, that it was such an entertaining movie. I've been waiting 18 years for this movie, Transformers is quite possibly the first thing I ever liked. Before Star Wars, before Superman. The coolest thing a child could ever have was what happened to me, when my dad came home and I ran down the stairs of our apartment block to meet him and he had bags which I thought were groceries but they were Transformers, he bought me bags, bags of transformers, it had a headmaster in it. Awesome. So Transformers means alot to me, and it's not just Nostalgic, because I have seen the cartoon and the animated movie and they are really enjoyable. Optimus Prime was my hero, he is the one that taught me about mortality, when he died, I realized I could die. And along with Superman and Luke Skywalker, he was the first noble person I ever saw. A good guy. Am I converted? Not really, like I said I knew it was going to be fun but I am frustrated at the wasted opportunities. I'll get to these soon. The Bayisms are there, but not as frequent. STOP MOVING THE CAMERA IN NON ACTION SHOTS! If anything this feels like a mixture of a typical Bay movie, an 80's Spielberg movie, a mega blockbuster event movie and a Transformers movie. With a fair bit of comedy thrown in that actually works. The thing with this movie and alot of fans, is that many of us know it will be at least an ok movie, but if you hit the right notes and it's a great movie I will not see it once, but multiple times, like Batman begins which i watched 13 times. Even though it's not totally a Transformers movie or if to you it doesn't feel like Transformers. It's still a really fun movie. However that does not mean that it doesn't have it's problems, and sometimes they get overshadowed by a movie being real good, but the issues always brought up on AICN do stand out at least to me, but it doesn't really take away from the movie much. There are few perfect movies (the two towers, children of men, batman begins, the lives of others, empire and a new hope are perfect in my eyes) but cmon, the dog peeing on the robot? Bumblebee's golden shower? So TINO? Bayformers? Yes and No. The action or BAYHEM is absolutely insane, they do move and look in action as Transformers. Out of all of them, Optimus is the closest one to the Optimus we all know, heroic, noble, a leader.To all the people saying they won't see it(Industrykiller I believe). I think you should because it's a good movie, I mean I was entertained, frustrated at times but Entertained thoroughly. I mean i'm not sure everyone will see it multiple times but to not see it once would be foolish. The CGI is incredible (though WETA is still better, their digital character rendering is still the best), it has already won next year's academy award. ILM has come such a long way, ROTS had alot of flaws in the CGI and the digital characters were badly rendered in some parts. The stuff they do here is amazing. Some of the craziest action sequences i've ever seen. The first time I got the sensation that this will be a big hit is in the scene where Bumblebee fights Barricade the cop car, the first big Transformer fight scene. After a bit of a scuffle Bumblebee drives off with the kids then Barricade transforms and chases them but in that shot when he transforms to chase them, people clapped and some people went 'wooo' because they knew it was going to be a big scene and it was just starting. Thinking about the Bayhem now, I think watching it, many of you are not going to believe the action sequences, they really are impressive and I was really surprised that there is so much action. I didn't think it was possible without having to spend the GDP of a small country, then again ROTK proved me wrong, but really, the action is so constant in one part where you think "surely that must be it" because you think it wouldn't be possible budget wise at least, and then this insane air battle involving Starscream takes place and you think "how the fuck did they afford all this?". Here's some little fanboy things. Jazz does a semi breakdance when he transforms. Optimus says the line which was won in a competition "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" and surprisingly he also says his mega famous line from the animated movie and it's not "Till all are one". Also this was awesome, Optimus opens part of his chest and you see THE MATRIX! Yes Fanboy joy. The first 2 shots when the movie starts after it's prologue are fine, the third, fourth and fifth shots are pure Michael Bay. That already bugged me. There are alot of Bayisms in the movie, but not as many as I thought, they do stand out when they are on, but at the same time you sort of get the sense that Bay even knows his own Bayisms that he's toned them down. Ie there are those slow mo shots of people moving but they aren't as frequent, but they still annoy me when they are on. But yes I will say it, the first action sequence is very impressive, it's quite incredible, and the fact so many shots are from far where you see Blackout and you can't see the full detail so he looks like a real Transformer, that part does feel like Transformers, that scene feels like Transformers has been brought to life. Did I feel like a kid again? That kid who would rush home in first grade after school(Transformers was popular for a few years) running fast because his father was flirting with the teacher so I walked in 5 minutes late in an episode with BRUTICUS. A few times.... when Optimus makes his grand entrance, it's magical, then the rest of the autobots make their entrance it's awesome to watch because it feels like the old blockbusters. Optimus is Optimus, for the most part, it's the Optimus we all grew up with put on screen, Cullen's voice is different, bassier, more robotic, but he does act and sound like Optimus for the most part. He is a badass when he fights Bonecrusher. Don't really want to say much in his fight or lack of fight(from his side) with Megatron. Shia Lebeouf was good, I mean he does the job, and he does it well, you can tell this kid's going to be a movie star, the charisma etc, I mean. whatever to me, i'm just saying from a general public point of view, this kid will be a movie star. He's funny and that's the main part of his character, he isn't very heroic, he just does things and takes things humorously all pining for the affection of Mikaela, the hottest girl in school and i'm actually surprised that the love story between them isn't as cheesy, they must have worked on it. I thought Megan Fox was hot on TV, and I thought not so hot in print, but she's one of the hottest things i've ever seen in some parts of this movie (Erica Durance beats her though), and she surprised me because she's not a bad actress as Mikaela, I mean she isn't great, her character doesn't have anything to be great, it's a blockbuster of course, but she's not wooden, not sleepwalking through this role. Ie I didn't cringe. And she's hot. The Issues. Wasted Opportunities. First I have to say they don't take that much away from the movie, I mean I know some talkbackers are going to hate this movie regardless and some will see one thing they don't like and suddenly the whole movie is shit. Be reasonable, the good parts are good, the bad parts are annoying. Spider-man 3 was a wasted opportunity, it just bugs me (ha a pun) when people have a choice yet they do something else when there is no reason why it couldn't have been done the other way, there is nothing forcing it to compromise(ie Lucas couldn't do the battle of Coruscant in ROTJ because it just wasn't possible). I mean Venom was totally wasted. But the things in Transformers are minor. The designs. - I hated them when they were unveiled, they aren't as bad onscreen as I thought, but at the same time, I don't see how the original designs wouldn't have worked. They didn't have to be the same, I don't know why people think bringing them to life would mean you'd get 8 cubes. No, I wanted them to be the way these ones were rendered but thicker, think of the dreamwave drawings but with lots of the big metal bits and lines and that would have been great. I say this because there is absolutely no reason why it wouldn't have worked. With these designs, they aren't horrible but it's frustrating because you know the others could have worked too (look at the sideswipe transformation vid aka the fake ILM footage). A few times I and others have said, you won't be able to tell what's going on. It's just more that i'm annoyed by the fact Bay and co did this just because they felt they can, there is just is no reason. I don't see how it's any more realistic. That realistic angle doesn't work, the argument doesn't stick. As long as they look real through lighting it can be real. The only good I see from these designs is that the few times you see them transform, the scrap metal look does look spectacular. Mass shifting. - Ok the first issue addressed was Megatron couldn't be a gun because it's stupid (i'm ok with that but he could have been a badass cannon) and Soundwave can't be a boom box and then the All Spark cube mass shifts? What the fuck man? It goes from being the size of a small warehouse to Sam being able to carry it. So much for the mass shifting argument, they used the fucking thing. Ratio of robots to humans. Human prominent story. - This was a big concern, that it was from the humans point of view and too much time would be devoted to the humans, in the first half, pretty much, but even though the script has it prominently human, the robots figure heavily in the second half and are in it alot more than the script suggests. So there is little to worry about. It's been evened out. The script/Story. - Alot of people have read the script and many have said it's a shit script. It's not as bad as it read, the cheesy parts have for the most part been cut out, alot of other stuff has been toned down(the lake sequence where Sam is trying to pick up Mikaela). The biggest problem I had was the stuff with the government, it's not as prominent as it was in the script, it isn't frustrating, I hated hated those parts of the script, but they seem to have trimmed it down and with the fact the robots get more screen time than originally thought, it doesn't seem as bad. More than meets the eye is used once. Flames on Optimus = nipples on an unnessasery. I don't get it, it serves no purpose. Bay himself kind of spat in the face of fans and said Optimus has flames because he wanted him to have flames. yes I wanted to punch him. It doesn't take away from Optimus visually, it's just the fact it's there, it's stupid. It's unnessasery and I can only think that either Bay loves Flames or he thinks more Toys are going to be sold or more tickets are going to be sold because a human will see it and go 'coooool'. Lips on Optimus = This year's little miss why? He hardly ever has the mouthguard on and you barely see it anyway. That sucks. I hate that. I don't think there was one single shot where you just see him in his glory with the mouthguard up, 80% of the time you see the lips. Now the animation looks impressive and it does look cool, but it's just unnessasery, Why? This is what frustrates me, and what frustrated me in Spider-man 3, just dumb decisions when you have a good decision open to you. The other robots have lips, why not have Optimus just have the mouthguard on? Was it to convey emotion? If you still want the lips, then at least have it on half the time, it's not even that and then you barely see it. You don't see Prime in a single close up shot with the mouthguard on and have him say something, like the original cartoons or it's assuck like follow ups. that's a shame. Megatron. - He looks like ass. He looked like ass on the designs, he looks like Ass on screen. When he fights Optimus at some parts it's cool and some parts it looks like you're in a laundry dryer with a crumpled car. He is brutal though, but he doesn't feel like Megatron, he is just this powerful bad guy, but he doesn't have any character and he definitely is MINO. Which sucks since Optimus was Optimus. He fires a cannon once or twice but you can't even tell. Bay and his team really fucked up on this, it's cool yeah but it could have been alot better. He should have looked more like Megatron and acted like Megatron, Devious Megalomaniac with a motherfucking badass arm cannon ON ALL THE TIME. The closest he gets to megatron is when he sees Prime and says "Prime" like he said in the cartoon, that's it. To the general public he'd be ok, but as a fan we all know he could have been Megatron and also look like Megatron instead of looking like he'd transform into a chandelier. Change for the better is always good, but the Megatron of the cartoon is classic and way cooler than this Megatron, add the brutality of this Megatron to the real Megatron and I would have been overjoyed. The thing is even with all this negativity, the action scenes involving him are still visually impressive to watch. What was the point in getting Hugo Weaving? Why Bay? He doesn't sound anything like Hugo Weaving, only in about 3 words he sounds like him, Frank Welker should have been used because Megatron would have felt more like him with that sneering voice. Megatron's voice = This year's little miss fuck you. Use of music. Bay seems so uncultured at times, doing things because they're cool when in fact they are cheesy, he seems like a very mainstream person, it's as if he's never seen an arthouse film or listened to music on an independant label. Using the musical theme of Oren Ishii from Kill Bill when she walks into the Sushi Restaurant, you know the one, well using that when Bumblebee shows his new do as the new Camaro. Overdone. But there are worse ones. I also noticed that there has been an attempt to imitate the inspiration/building two note motif theme from Batman Begins also known as Vespertillio. I love that theme and how it was used, it makes Batman seem so epic and feel important like something important was unraveling before your eyes. They do a similar theme in Heroes and they do one here too. It's okay, but it quickly gets overshadowed by typical Bay score and of course being a Bay film it also needs to be overscored. There is a small right wing jingoistic line which the secretary of defense says about the soldiers(something like 'they sure as hell don't like to lose') in Hoover damn. Lame. And another Line about bringing them home cut with Bay shots of the soldiers running. Lame. Bumblebee's golden shower. People laughed. I thought it was stupid. The dog peeing on Ironhide. People Laughed. I thought it was forced and stupid. The Bumblebee radio thing. it's tolerable and isn't overdone, what I hated is when Bumblebee finally speaks, he sounds ridiculous. Some high class British guy. I don't get it, what was wrong with Dan Gilvezan's vulnerable voice for Bumblebee? Bumblebee is a great character though, he is Sam’s guardian and tougher than the G1 version but still has that vulnerability and compassion. Ratchet. Why does he have a voice like a creepy English butler? He is nothing like the Ratchet we all knew, RINO. Ironhide is a cowboy but he doesn't feel that much like the badass he was, the one that was itching to get a fight, he is the weapons expert and wants to shoot things but the voice just doesn't fit. He’s actually pretty good, I just wish he was a lot tougher. I hope if they use Cliffjumper they don't do the same to my favourite Autobot Hardass that isn't Grimlock. Jazz is a modern version of the old jazz, so what does that mean? Gangsta. Luckily it's not overdone. I don't see the point in making Jazz have a visor if you don't even see it, I only knew he had one because of the pictures. The tank was called Devastator in the script and was known as a temp name and then was officially called Brawl, then imagine my surprise when he rocks up and in subtitles says "Devastator here". That sucks. How the fuck are you going to have the most badass decepticon on screen and call him by his badass name in a sequel, so much for the constructicons and calling him Devastator. Frenzy is a suckass robot. Who the fuck designed that robot? The way he is used is awesome however, but why couldn't he look more like Rumble, he could have done the same things but not looked like some knife set. The decepticons. They are hardasses, that they are, they aren't as malicious and devious as in the cartoon but they are brutal, the problem is they aren't as devious since they hardly have any screen time, no character, no personality AT ALL, that's fine for the secondary characters that are just there to be pieces for action scenes(Devastator, Bonecrusher), but for STARSCREAM! BLASPHEMY! He shows up near the end(WHAT!!!) and he does have this incredibly awesome flight action sequence, but he looks nothing like Starscream, he acts nothing like Starscream because he only has 1 fucking line. He is brutal though, but all of them are, they are just hardasses and we know they are bad, we are told that and they go to fight the autobots and waste humans but god I hate that Starscream is just another robot with a name that everyone knows(you can tell, in my screening people went 'ooohh' when they show the jet and Starscream says in subtitles 'this is Starscream'). I mean Bay knows Starscream is one of the Iconic characters so why waste him in a character sense, give him some lines dammit. He's the most badass decepticon after Megatron and he's given his screen time action wise and we know he is something more than the other decepticons but say something! He might as well have been that Leader 1 from Go Bots. Megatron does say "you have failed me yet again Starscream" but that's not enough. And his voice is just stupid. SINO GOTTA EAT. Awesome SINO though. The air battle he has is amazing, best sequence of the year. The autobots however are awesome in some ways, and lame in others, lame because they aren't much like the characters we know them as(exception being Optimus) but they do things like in the final battle where they realize it's Starscream who is the jet, Ironhide screams "it's Starscream" but no one knows what that means, they also work as a team, help each other out, act as soldiers(guarding Sam). They also have great weapons and Bay has definitely used his imagination in the mega action sequences. The Autobots have great interaction and are real characters, it’s just the characters themselves(only a few) should have been fleshed out more(Jazz) or been more like G1(Ratchet and Ironhide) because they were in fact better characters. Good lord I have a headache. The crazy transformations and direction. An Evangelion movie is waiting around the corner. I'm laughing at the mega talkback on that crappy Linkin Park theme, don't worry, it's nowhere to be heard at all. Judging by the crowd(those with the pockets), the interest, the positive reaction and the positive reviews, this movie is looking to be Huge and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up as one of the biggest hits of the year, probably second to Spiderman. Parts of this movie were TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION. And some parts were ASS or Ganymede as I like to call it, but the good outweighs the bad. My views haven't really changed but I really enjoyed it and might watch it a few more times. As everyone else is saying... BRING ON THE DARK KNIGHT.... Cunce (I've toned down on the vulgarities so the review can get posted) Messi
Here’s “Coach Clyde” with his take on it.
I was lucky enough to get into the Zeigfeld last night to see “Transformers”. Not only do I enjoy Michael Bay movies, but I also really enjoy when cars turn into robots and then do karate. A common criticism you¹ll hear about movies of late is that they’re like watching someone play a video game for two hours. And this is very true with Transformers. But the video game you are watching someone play for two hours is fucking awesome. This movie is exactly what you can imagine you’ll get when you have Michael Bay directing a Transformers movie. I don’t really know how to review it. The critics sitting near me had notepads and pens out, but I think they mostly used them to draw pictures of Michael Bay’s gigantic balls because the movie is so awesome. So instead of breaking it down thematically and pointing out the “Prime As Christ” references and the like, allow me to just list some things I noticed between explosions and robot sounds and jokes where robots pee on John Turturro: The plot is similar to what you would have come up with while playing with your Transformer toys in the basement when you were 8. Megan Fox is like a young Jennifer Connelly. If, when Jennifer Connelly was young, she was much hotter and more slutty-looking and not as good of an actress. That guy from “Las Vegas” shoots stuff and runs a lot. And that kid from “Disturbia” and “Boy Meets World” is really good. There are a lot of what Michael Bay thinks are jokes that get their fair share of laughs. For instance, Bernie Mac’s character is given the finger by his grandmother. So, the movie has that going for it. Most of the dialogue is like, “These guys don’t like to lose,” and “Oh... (long dramatic pause) ...my... (long dramatic pause) ...God,” and “Look out!!” The special effects are crazy. And because they’re added into real filmed footage of stuff blowing up and/or exploding, they are about 1,000 times more convincing than the stuff we saw in the most recent Star Wars movies and that new Spider-man, which have action scenes that are about as realistic as watching old animated Count Chocula commercials. *Note that ILM’s greatest achievement is the very realistic animitronic puppet of Jon Voight that plays the Secretary of Defense. The sound design will boggle your mind. And your colon. There is some really annoying boombox named Frenzy or something that is this movie’s Jar Jar. There are a crazy amount of Transformers references throughout the film. In fact, Prime actually says, “One shall stand, one shall fall,” before the final fight scene. Which is pretty awesome. Unlike in Bay’s crappy “The Island”, the big car chase in “Transformers” is not a shot-for-shot remake of the car chase from “Bad Boys 2.” But it is equally as awesome. (That rollerblading nonsense only lasts for as long as we’ve seen it in those clips online.) The character development is usually left to one or two sentences. Like, that guy wants to get home from Qatar to see his baby girl or that guy is a cheapskate or that guy has a beard. There is even less robot character development than there is human character development. And by that, I mean, usually they just put up a title underneath the truck or tank or whatever it is that says, “Bonecrusher” or ”Starscream.” Which, I guess is pretty descriptive of their personalities on the whole, as I know that Bonecrusher mostly just crushes bones so maybe you can’t fault Michael Bay there. So, as you can see, this is Michael Bay¹s most entertaining film to date. With “The Rock” and “Bad Boys” being on one end of the entertaining-as-shit side spectrum and “The Island” and the last four hours of “Pearl Harbor” on the other side, where I want to drive to Michael Bay’s house and key his Ferrari. Now, you certainly could argue that “The Rock” is a better film than “Transformers”, but then you would sound like an idiot because you’d be arguing about Michael Bay movies. In the end, this is a blockbuster built like a blockbuster. Incredibly entertaining, wildly creative, real stupid, and with only one or two spots during the two hours where you can get up and pee. -Coach Clyde
It’s funny... there are people who keep saying to me, “You don’t get it because you’re not a fan.” That’s true... I don’t understand the affection some of you have for the old program, and I’m not sure what’s been changed and what hasn’t. But all I can judge is the movie as a movie, and I think more viewers are in my camp than in the “rabid fans keeping track of every change” camp. Still, it seems like even the hardcore fans are having a good time, like this guy:
Greetings Programs, Geek in the City here in Portland, OR... The accepted home of the Autobots! (Most folks accept The Ark crashed into Mt. Hood)... Anyway, just got back from a Transformers screener... How was the film? Read on... The Transformers – A Spoiler Free Review Well, as spoiler free as possible… I mean, come on, this is the friggen Transformers… How can I spoil a plot that hasn’t changed since 1983…? They come to Earth from space. Autobots are good. Decepticons are bad. They both change from vehicles to robots. They both need this bizarre power source. Decepticons kill humans. Autobots save humans. Some military folks to die and then help the good Autobots defeat the evil Decepticons. Rinse, repeat. Anyway, I was going to attempt some heartfelt Gen X essay about the nature of childhood heroes and memories coming to life. About how Transformers transcended their simple toy line roots and become a cultural icon. Well, enough like-minded writers and VH-1 have done the same, so why rehash it all over again. Face it friends, The Transformers is a movie about giant friggen robots that fight each other and crap blows up in slow motion. Thankfully, Michael Bay and company do not sway very far from this tried and true pattern. Was this film more than meets the eye? (What? This review gonna’ be stuffed with cheese) No, it wasn’t. The Transformers is exactly what you expect… a big ass summer blockbuster with giant transforming robots that beat the crap out of each other, mixed in with some weak (but not annoying) human elements. Transformers is an honest return to the over the top Hollywood blockbuster. While you don’t need to check your Headmaster at the door, you also shouldn’t go looking for any deep thoughts. As much as it pains me to type this, Michael Bay was the only director to pull this flick off. (Although I am certain the guiding hand of producer Steven Spielberg helped a lot). No one pulls off those gorgeous slow motion shots of giant robots dodging and firing missiles like Michael Bay, there simply isn't. Yes, all the cliché "Bay’isms" are there: Everyone walks in slow motion with the sun setting behind. The wind is always whipping through the hair of sexy women. The camera always pans a full 360 degrees while rising from feet to head for no reason. Characters pause to gaze lovingly into each others eyes as the world comes apart. But dammit, in Transformers is just works. It does. There, I’ve said it. Aaron, quit yapping and tell us if the Robots in Disguise kicked ass! Hells yes they did! I’ve gotten past the fact that none of my favorite characters looked like their Hasbro counterpart. Watching the film, I am glad. The robots on screen work. They look 100% realistic and believable. Shoot, The Transformers gave some of the best performances in the film. You genuinely believe the Autobots want to help humanity, just as you genuinely believe the Decepticons want to destroy anything with a pulse. How about ‘ol Optimus Prime? Dude, it was Optimus Prime voiced by the one and only Peter Cullen! The character is fantastic. Prime says all his iconic lines. Each one eliciting a roaring applause from an audience that ranged from 8 to 48… Though the dude to chick ratio was a tad skewed, I know big shock. Shoot, even my attempt to not "geek out" next to a "real" member of the media failed when Optimus Prime (while facing off against the fantastically evil Megatron) uttered… "One shall stand, one shall fall". Come on! It can’t get any better… This was my childhood brought to glorious life!!! What about them humans? Like I said, not as interesting as the robots. Indeed, the robots were more compelling than the humans were. Says a lot about Michael Bay as a director when the CGI characters turn in better performances than the flesh and blood characters. Shia Labeouf has a strong screen presence, just enough pretty boy looks without being annoying, and a good comedic sense of timing. That guy is going to go far and I’m not as concerned about his role in Indy 4 as I was. Megan Fox is hot, um, that’s about it. She doesn’t get much to do other than stand in sexy poses as Michael Bay zooms in tight on her glistening midriff / chest / booty. considered her limited role, she did well. That dude from Vegas was cool and made me want to join the military. (Side note, why doesn’t Michael Bay shoot recruitment videos? That guy makes military life out to be the biggest badass way to live your life… I’m not saying it isn’t, but damn does he make it look awesome and even a little sexy). John Voight looked a little lost and confused. I imagine him wandering around the set asking folks what this movie was about… But, towards then end, he kicks it into high gear and gets to the robot butt kicking. Then we have John Turturro … Wait, that John Turturro? Yes, same one… I won’t give away his character, but he turns in a fun scene or two. As for the rest of the actors, not bad… They help move the story, but don’t get in the way. What more can you ask of humans in a movie about giant transforming robots that beat the crap out of each other? The movie is just fun, pure and simple. This is what I want from a summer blockbuster. I want crap that blows up. I want cheesy, but not gut wrenching, one-liners. I wanted to say "oohh" and "awww" every 10 minutes or so. I want just enough plot and logic to not distract me from the slow motion explosions and transforming robots. I want the good guys to win and the bad guys to get what they deserve. I want love to blossom in extreme events, but don’t get too mushy…No one needs animal crackers on Liv Tyler’s belly (unless I’m the one holding said animal cracker). What I didn’t expect and was pleasantly surprised with was the amount of heart found in The Transformers. You can’t help but root for Optimus Prime and his noble Autobots. Not because you’re supposed to, but because you want to. The same reason why I loved those robotic defenders as a child is the same reason I whooped and hollered as an adult. Go see this film. See it multiple times. Remember how it felt when Optimus Prime gave you simple black and white life lessons… Somehow, against all odds and Michael Bay, The Transformers reminds you how to be a kid, without acting like a child. Is The Transformers perfect? No, it probably isn’t even “good” from a cinematic level… Is The Transformers the best time I’ve had at the theater this summer? Hell yes! Roll out and catch this flick… Just check your damn Gen X cynicisms at the door. Geek in the City gives The Transformers 4 out of 5 Critical Hits! (I would have given it 5 out 5 if we got some Stan Bush or Lion).
And then there’s this guy, who surrendered completely:
Hey Harry, I attended a screening of Transfomers here in Salt Lake last night and, well, I felt compelled to write this. It is not your typical review, but it is from the heart. If you use, my name is Marcus.... More than meets the eye... much more! Alright, how do I begin? How do you put into words the culmination of years of anticipation, speculation, doubt, excitement, more doubt, more excitement and finally an overwhelming sense of “can’t wait any longer!”? This is what has been bothering me all night long. I have sat here with my laptop on my lap trying to find a place to start. I guess I will start at, well, the start, so here goes… As most people who know me know, I am a Transformers fan. I am a product of the 80’s. I grew up, like most kids my age, watching Transformers after school everyday. Let me clarify that I was never the kid who nitpicked the lore. I was never the guy who debated between G1 and Beast Wars. I was the kid who loved the idea that giant alien robots could turn into things that I knew; cars, planes, boom boxes, this is what kept me watching, but as I grew, I realized there was more to them than, well, met the eye. You see, here was an advanced culture, an alien race that, if they wanted to, could easily enslave and control our world and all its inhabitants. Granted, some of them wanted to do just that, but there were some who dedicated their existence to protecting us. Heroes. I know that may sound a bit cheesy, but hey, it was a Reagan era cartoon, and, as most of us 30-somethings know, that is what the 80’s were about, heroes and villains, good vs. evil, right vs. wrong. So, here I am, 30 years old, a 30 year old kid, but still. A bit older, a bit wiser, perhaps a bit more skeptical, but definitely a bit harder to impress, so, when the announcement of a live-action Transformers movie was posted on AintItCoolNews.com just about 3 years ago the kid in me rejoiced while the adult in me said “What?! Come on! Really?” I watched the movie go from rumor to pre-production. I followed the rumors from Robert Zemeckis to John Woo, and finally shrugged and said “eh, interesting” when it was finally announced that Mr. Michael Bay would be pulling this giant, possible catastrophe together. Let me state that I have never been a Bay Naysayer. I liked The Rock. Liked Bad Boys 1, loved Bad Boys 2, dislike the tone of Pearl Harbor, hate the second half of Armageddon, and thought that The Island was fun. I think that his sense of action and camera movement is impeccable (Bad Boys 2 car chase and Jamaican house shoot out scenes, I am talking to you). I watched as the early robot designs started to pop up online. I took them as works in progress. I was never that much of a purist. I knew that things had to change. Let’s face it, you can’t have your main bad guy turning into a giant gun that someone else has to use. I never minded the flames on Optimus, it just never was that big of a deal. I never was that against the new look of the robots because at the end of the day, if you were an advanced robot culture that was thousands of years ahead of anything else out there, wouldn’t you look as bad ass as you could? Sure you would. Also, the first look at the lips on Optimus Prime, not a big deal for me. It made sense because these are NOT robots, they are organic creatures made of metal. Artificial intelligence. They have emotion and feeling. They have to be able to show that and if that helped convey that, than why not. I never understood all the hate that was being aimed at this movie. I would read the comments left by people online and it was so negative, but they all seemed to miss the point. There was never a line between flames on Optimus and, well, let’s say nipples on a bat suit. This was a film where giant robots would be fighting each other on earth! This was a movie based on a cartoon based on toys! It is supposed to be cheesy and fun and exciting. Why all the hatred and doubt? Leave your brains at the door and just have fun, and this was how I have approached Transformers from the beginning…. …but then things changed. I saw the trailers. I saw the TV spots. I was in awe. I was floored by what I saw. This film was shaping up to be a breathtaking spectacle, something new and exciting in a world of rehashed sequels, a new breed of heroes to believe in. What can I say, the kid in me woke up. The hype surrounding the movie started to intensify. The groups were completely polarized. There was no one who was just mildly interested. It became the believers vs. the haters, and it got ugly. I started to read the talk balks and message boards less and less. I wanted to believe. I watched the trailers and TV Spots frame by frame, analyzing the look and feel of this film as best I could 90 seconds at a time. The countdown clock could not go fast enough and the kid in me sat up in bed and stretched. Then, the unthinkable. My friend Sean, a Transformer fan of epic proportions won the Transformer Fanaticon contest and asked me to be his “plus one” on a trip to ILM in San Francisco to go behind the scenes and see how the magic for Transformers was done. A trip to the nerd holy land, if you will. The house that George built, and we were going to be able to look behind the curtain, and the kid in me rubbed his eyes and got out of bed. The trip, OH THE TRIP, what can I say. It was a once in a lifetime experience. I saw things that I never thought I would see. The tour was remarkable, but more importantly, it was personal. Throughout the day, we were joined by the people who worked on the film. Animators who spent hundreds, nay, thousands of hours painstakingly making this film what it is. Guys who were no older than I am. These were fans. Fellow geeks who grew up watching Star Wars and loving it so much that they did everything they could to create that same magic for the next generation, guys who within the walls of ILM were having the same debates that were going on on the message boards online. These guys were not all Bay fans. They didn’t all like the lips. They weren’t all fans of the flames, and believe me, they tried it all. As we sat in the big screening room at ILM, which is something I will take with me to the grave, they sat with us. As we watched scene breakdowns, they watched and explained. They showed us fully rendered 3D models and told us why. They showed us things that didn’t work and what they did to make it better. They gave us an insight to the process that made me gasp. There was so much love and dedication to wanting to get this right, that they put aside what they thought would be best and did what eventually turned out to be what was actually best. They answered every question. We had the debate about Prime’s face plate, we talked about flames, they fielded questions about G1 vs. the new designs, and they convinced me, although it didn’t take much when they showed us a 10 minute reel of footage that brought me to my feet. It was stunning. Absolutely stunning. As I left ILM with a new sense of just how much went into this film, the 100’s of people, the 1000’s of hours, my brain was swimming. I couldn’t really wrap my mind around what I had seen. I couldn’t make it make sense. I had seen Prime in all his glory 40 feet tall and he was real, as real as I had ever wanted him to be. I started to believe that it was all going to be alright, and the kid in me walked to the window and felt the sun on his face. As I sat on the plane coming home, replaying the images in my head. Re-experiencing the whole day again and again, I started to realize exactly what lay in store. I started to get it. It was a movie based on toys, but it was more. It was a second coming of childhood. I remembered how Superman made me believe a man could fly and now, I started to believe that diesels could transform. I know, it sounds juvenile, but why not? This was my childhood rushing back. This was memory lane in full THX surround sound. This was a time capsule reopened in digital widescreen. This was a moment for me and I only had 2 weeks more to wait. The kid in me started to pace in his room. I went the day they were available and bought my tickets for the 8:00 first showing on Monday, July 2nd. They wait was counting down…but then I ran into a friend of mine who works in a local comic book store. My transformer fandom is quite legendary here in town and he asked me if I had my passes yet? “Passes” What passes?” I inquired. He proceeded to hand me passes to an advanced screening of Transformers. All of the sudden, my wait had been cut nearly in half, and the day of reckoning was just around the corner and the kid in me got dressed and put on his shoes. Cut to yesterday, I woke up with a sense of excitement that I had not felt since Christmas of 89 when I got my first BMX bike! It was the day. I had made arrangements with all my family, this was a grand affair. I got there early to save a place in line. Spend time with my fellow geeks. Show time was 7, I got there at 1. The line was forming. These are my people, I thought. I scanned the crowd. 30-something guys wearing transformers shirts were abundant, but how strange, the line also contained teenagers, small children, older couples, people of all ages standing together with a sense of excitement so thick you could feel it in the air. The child in me could barely be contained. When I got into the theatre, the buzz was overwhelming. It was time. It was the end of the road. The moment I had been waiting for. It was here. I was finally here. I sat down and surrounded myself with my family and friends, people who knew what the wait was like for me, people who had literally been tortured with every new announcement and development. It was at that moment that they realized what it meant, what it really meant, because as I buckled in for the show, they realized that I was no longer the jaded, cranky 30 year old, no, as I sat back in my seat and the lights went down and the film rolled, the kid in me could be contained no longer and leapt out and from that point on, I was 8 years old again for the rest of the night. What can I say about the film…? How can I possibly put into words what I saw and felt? I am still struggling. I know that sounds ridiculous. I know it sounds absurd. You may be thinking, “Dude, it’s just a movie!”, but it wasn’t. It was more, so much more. We all know the plot, the source of all the Transformers power had ended up on earth and they have all come to get it, some for Good, some for Evil. Their war, our world, hell it was on the poster. The film opens up with a breathtaking attack and never lets up. I have to say that I have never been in a screening that got this many applause breaks. People cheered throughout this entire film, from beginning to end. The effects were amazing. The look of the film is beautiful. The pacing is great. The actors are all very good. It was everything that I wanted and as I sit here, the film replaying in my head, I wouldn’t even know where to start. The Robots? The action? The plot? Where do I begin? Answer, I don’t. The film opens in 3 days and I am sure that if you have read this, you are a fan and will be going anyway and don’t need me to spoil it for you. Although, I think that there is no way that my words could do it justice. This film is incredible, but it also heroic. It is emotional. It is about good vs. evil, but it is also about understanding and sacrifice. It is about explosions, but it is also about connection. It is filled with action and excitement, but it also filled with love and respect. Sure, this is a movie where giant alien robots come to earth and blow stuff up, it is about things that transform, but it is more, it is an opportunity to be transformed yourself. Transformed to a simpler time where flames and lips and new concepts weren’t that big of a deal. It is a chance to be transformed to a time when mouth made sound effects were enough. A time when my Mom’s broom was the best lightsaber around. A time when my own imagination was the best special effects studio in the world. A time when innocents was innovation. I know that a lot of you are skeptical. I know that there are people who want to hate this movie, and you know what, you will. You will find things to nitpick and complain about. You will see things that you don’t think look real. You will laugh. You may even leave the theatre pissed off, but you will be missing the point. It isn’t meant to Best Picture next year. This film isn’t supposed to be historically accurate, because the history of this film lives inside the personal experience of every kid who played with these toys in his backyard. This film is not meant to be analyzed and cross-examined, it is meant to entertain and amaze. I think that this film will affect us differently. It will be the great action movie that you are expecting. It will be funny. It will make you cheer. It may even make you cry, but if you’re lucky, and I feel lucky today, it will make you believe. I implore all of you to walk into this film looking through the eyes that you had when you were just a kid. I did, and I walked out of that theatre in awe. I believed again. I looked twice at every car on the way home, hoping to see something out of the ordinary. I looked at every diesel, hoping that I would be the next one to be chosen. I wanted it to be real, and to the child in me, it was, and that is all that really matters. So here I am, at home. The show is over and it is late. I am sure that this is not the review you all expected. Don’t worry, next week we can all hang out and discuss specifics. We can talk about the fights and the scenes that made us cheer, but for right now I am exhausted and need to get some sleep. I wish this same experience for you all. …and the kid in me drifts to sleep with a big smile on his face. m.
Maybe lowered expectations are a good thing. This guy walked into it expecting nothing, and got...
Hey Harry, I've been a reader on your site for a while now, and just wanted to say to everyone keep up the good work. This site has become my go to for movie news, and I can't thank you enough for that. I got to see an advance screening of Transformers last night at the Regal on 42nd Street in Manhattan. It was hosted by one of the NYC radio stations, KROCK I think. Anyways, I wasn't even aware of this until my roomate gave me his ticket for it. He couldn't go due to school issues, so he let me go in his stead. Anyways, here is my first review... Now I've been a Transformers fan ever since I was a wee child. The cartoon movie came out the year I was born, but I remember goin to the video store with my Pops when I was around 4 or 5 and renting that movie every week. I loved it! As a kid, I thought the movie was so epic, it really shaped a lot of my childhood. Then about 2 years ago I heard that they were making a live action Transformers movie. Needless to say I was intrigued. I didn't have high expectations for this movie, even when I saw the kick ass trailers. I love Micheal Bay as a guy who can make shit go BOOM, but I, like many others, feel that all of his movies underachieve. And so far this summer has been filled with movies that have already let my hopes down. Underwhelming sequel after underwhelming sequel. This is why I was hoping that Transformers would amount to something, and boy it sure did. This movie is fuckin balls to the wall amazing. It is the most entertaining film I've seen in a very long time, and I'm going to go see it again. Not since Casino Royale has a movie compelled me enough to go check it out again, but this movie is so worth the price of admission. The action sequences throughout are Bay-ified, and you gotta admit this guy knows how to shoot action scenes. I particularly liked the last battle sequence, when after all the tension that Bay has built up, it climaxes and a full out fuckin war erupts between Autobots and Decepticons in a southwestern city with humans in the middle of it. When the action went to slow mo and you just see these huge robotic entities spinning around in midair, why it's enough to make a Transformer fanboy like myself get a chubby. Like others have already stated, the transformations are sooooo sick. I mean, the first time you see it happen, you will just sit there in awe. It looks so fluid and natural that it makes your jaw drop. Acting throughout is pretty good, the notables being Josh Duhamel as the no-nonsense military guy who wants to take these things out, and Shia Labeouf, who I thought practically stole the show from his huge robotic counterparts. I didn't think the movie was going to be this funny, but there were many scenes, most of them involving Shia, that I was laughing my ass off at. The kid has got talent, and I'm already excited to see him in next year's Indy IV. And great move by Bay and the producers to bring back Peter Cullen as the voice to Optimus, it might not seem like a big deal but this move satisfied fanboys everywhere. When Optimus spoke, the whole crowd in the theater was silent. I mean, if somebody else did Prime, it just wouldn't of been the same. Of course, it is a Michael Bay movie, so there are plot holes and some cheesy lines of dialog. But, strange thing is, it doesn't matter that much to me in this movie. I mean, there are GIANT FUCKIN ROBOTS SHOOTING MISSLES AND BULLETS AND BODY SLAMMING EACH OTHER!!!!!! This is a movie that you can't take seriously, there isn't an ounce of realism in giant alien robots coming to Earth in search of their sacred power source. You just gotta accept it for what it is, and it is a very, very entertaining summer flick that almost anyone should enjoy. It's got a little something for everybody. I could go on and on, but I don't want to repeat what others have already said. This movie will blow your mind, and in my opinion it's the only movie this summer that has lived up to the hype. So I would like to end by thanking Michael Bay for not screwing up my childhood vision of Transformers. He created a movie that all Transformer fans, new and old, will love. If you use this, call me Teh Decimator. Till next time......
Now, if you’ve been following our posts about CLOVERFIELD, the top-secret JJ Abrams film, then you know that the film’s going to have its first trailer attached to TRANSFORMERS. I’m getting letters from people reacting to the trailer almost as enthusiastically as the movie itself. Check this out:
Moriarty, I attended a Transformers sneak preview last night in Scottsdale, Arizona and wanted to tell you that, sure enough, you were right about the Cloverfield trailer. It was the first preview that played. While I'm sure plenty of people will continue to write in with their take on Bay's latest, I wanted to give you the play by play of this amazing new trailer. The entire thing takes place from the perspective of a party goer with a camera, waiting to surprise their friend, Rob. It's basically a nice, big bon voyage party between friends. The entire thing feels incredibly real and like plenty of parties I've been to myself--people mingle, munch on chips, chatter, etc. Rob arrives, everyone yells surprise, the camera person interviews people for anything they have to say to Rob before he leaves. After probably 30 seconds or a little longer, the apartment shakes, the lights flicker, people scream and head to the roof. A crowd approaches the edge of the roof immediately as a massive explosion miles away takes place. People scream and start scrambling back to the stairs. Right before they enter the stairwell, something like a comet (a piece of the previous explosion) comes flying near the people and the roof. The camera is very jumpy and cuts in and out as people make their way down a darkened stairwell to the street. At this point, I can't remember if the screen cuts to black and says "From producer JJ Abrams..." or if that happens once they're all on the ground. Either way, it's at a good moment and is the first inkling as to what we're watching. Once on the ground, some people are running in hysteria while others look into the distance trying to figure what's happening. Pieces of the explosion start flying towards the ground and hitting buildings all around. The people that were just looking into the distance finally start moving. At that moment, a massive piece of the explosion starts heading towards the camera. It flies right by and skids down the middle of the city street, hitting some people along the way. The piece finally slows down, rocks back towards the camera, and there she is--Lady Liberty's face, in flames and destroyed. Cut to black. Hitting theatres January 2008 (I think it was 01/18/08). In my opinion this is one of the most effective trailers I've ever seen. It's not polished like most big budget film trailers, but it felt huge. It had people in the theatre chattering, wondering what the heck this is and when it's coming. The entire trailer had a verisimilitude to it. It felt like it was happening... like we were there. In short, it did it's job and then some. Surprisingly, they didn't say what the name of the film was in the trailer. Whatever it's called in the end though, I'm there. This preview had me more tense and excited than anything I saw in Transformers. And heck, I even liked Transformers in all its Bayish ridiculousness. If you use this, call me ThatGuy.
Here’s another guy who was spurred to write in after his viewing:
Hey Guys, This is the first review I have ever done, so bear with me. I was in attendance last night at the Hasbro Transformers charity premiere event (It was in support of 4 different local Rhode Island Charities) and I must say it was an amazing experience for me; I have never been to such an event! Upon entering the theater, we were redirected to the back of the theater where a red carpet welcomed us into an archway with a large Optimus Prime stand up to the left and the Transformers logo above the door. Inside the pre-party there were tables with plenty of food and drink on the house, in the corner it looks like pictures were being taken and it turned out the lovely Rachael Taylor and Tyrese Gibson. Anyway, the even was fun and totally sponsored by Hasbro, so kudos to them for doing such a great job. As for the film, it’s EXCELLENT. It’s everything you could want from an adaptation of an 80’s cartoon. I am sure you’ll be getting several reviews with specific details on the story and plot, so I wanted to state some points that I know true Transformers fans would want to know (being a regular on the Transformers message boards, I know a lot of people who hold this property dear fear for the quality of this film.) All the Autobots are EXCELLENT representations of the G1 counterparts. All of Prime’s qualities from the original animated series are in tact. Leader, Warrior, Peacekeeper and always humble ready to do what’s necessary in his actions The Decepticons do get gypped a bit on screen time. However when they make their respective appearances, it’s awesome. They lay EVERYTHING to waste in their ruthless nature. Blackout (the helicopter) has an excellent sequence very early in the movie as he takes out the military base in Qatar in an attempt to hack into the government’s national defense network to find a lead on discovering Megatron who was lost in the artic in a solo search for the allspark cube. Each evil bot get’s their own scene to show off their transformations and stir up trouble. Starscream, Devastator (the tank, which was originally supposed to be called Brawl) and Megatron don’t really get to do much until the 30 minute melee at the end. And Frenzy and Scorponok, the two cons that eject from the other bots have great scenes, but easily you can tell these were put in place for kids. All the voices of the bots are great. Peter Cullen does an excellent job returning to the voice of Optimus Prime, and while it’s a little deeper in tone its still very much Peter Cullen. Hugo Weaving seemed like a decent choice for Megatron, although we all wanted the original Megatron Frank Welker, Hugo does an excellent job and they filter his voice well enough to give a good supplement to the ruler of the Decepticons. All the Autobots are given the chance to be very vocal, and for the most part so do most of the Cons too. The humans do a great job of helping the story along and are quite funny too. I heard a lot of people who felt opposed to having Bernie Mac and Anthony Anderson in there, but their roles work and they are HILLARIOUS. Especially the little bit between Bernie Mac and his mammy, its just plain funny. The ending is sort of bleak, which gives it a kind of Empire Strikes Back feel, the battle was won (at a cost), but the war is far from over. And be sure to stay during the credits to check out a few cool tags they added. All in all Transformers is a great summer action popcorn flick, much better than any of the other highly anticipated movies this year so far and I could see this making A LOT of money as its truly a film for almost all ages. Actress Rachael Taylor herself said it while introducing the film; she said she hadn’t been blown away or in awe of such a marvelous film since the first Jurassic Park . I whole heartedly agree. I have proof of attendance if necessary; I’ll send a scan of my commemorative ticket from last night. If you use this, Call me “Optimus John”.
And, look, even with this sort of glowing recommendation pouring in, it’s obvious the film’s not perfect. This guy’s able to sort out what he thinks of both the good and the bad fairly clearly:
Im a longtime reader, first time writer to the site. I am an absolute movie geek in every sense, but I have never had the chance to see movies early due to my location (hence never having sent in a review). However, let me give some background on how I managed to see Transformers. Considering that an employee just got fired over this, I will try to be as vague as possible when I explain how I saw the movie and how I will see other’s early in the future. Long story short, over the summer I got a job with a prominent radio broadcasting company that sponsors screenings locally a couple days to a few weeks before the movie is released. Transformers happened to be screening yesterday, Thursday the 28th. So if anybody wants to questions my credibility, considering I am a first time writer, there’s your explanation. Now, onto the review… Let me preface this by saying I grew up with Transformers, had every single toy, and was a huge fanboy. I never read the comics, but I did watch the cartoons and I own the movie. My connection is that with G1, however, I understand that plot elements, designs, etc. need to be changed for a movie adaptation of any sort. Especially with subject matter such as this, watching big blocky robots running around looking like they did in my childhood would look silly. I feel that when your trying to make a summer blockbuster, like Michael Bay, there needs to be a sense of realism in order to feel genuinely frightened, excited, or any other emotion that the film tries to evoke. I’ll be the first to admit (and hold the veggies, please) that I like Michael Bay, but that’s not to say I don’t hate his shortcomings. He is pitiful when it comes to character interaction and uses tons of clichés to draw emotion out of the audience. However, when it comes to action, he is top notch, and what I most enjoy is how he bases his set pieces around live-action stunts, and then uses CGI to fill in the gaps. Again, this adds more realism. I know I am taking long to get to the actual movie, but I want people to know where I am coming from. So, how was it? Awesome. The action scenes are top notch and the special effects are a spectacle to the likes that nobody has ever seen. When Transformers begins, it gets started right away with Blackout terrorizing Qatar, leaving no survivors except a select group of soldiers (Josh Duhamel and Tyrese Gibson). However, the movie then shifts to the human element, focusing on Sam Witwicky (Shia Lebeouf), and his infatuation with getting a car and his dream girl, Mikaela (Megan Fox). Skip a couple scenes, and he has Bumblebee saving him from Barricade and the movie starts to pick up. Sam eventually meets the other Autobots, Optimus Prime included, and he discovers that his great, great grandfather actually discovered Megatron in the polar icecaps, and his glasses (which Sam is trying to sell on E-Bay) have been imprinted with the location of the Allspark (energy source for the transformers, think energon cubes, only one, big, main one). Save a few scenes, Sam, his parents, Mikaela, and Bumblebee are transported to Sector 7, a top secret government agency that resides inside the Hoover Dam, where they have cryogenically frozen Megatron and are holding the Allspark. To me, the part of the movie described above contained much more of the human element than Michael Bay action sequences. There is a lot of humor in the movie. When I heard this was the case, I expected a couple jokes here and there, kind of like Independence Day. However, that type of humor (short, intelligent quips and responses) is completely reserved for Shia Lebeouf, who pulls it off wryly with a dry sense of humor that works great. His portrayal of Sam is excellent and he really carries the movie. The rest of the movie’s humor, though, sadly is very cheesy. Some of the dialogue by the Autobots attempting to be humorous is downright awful (I didn’t think I would mind Optimus Prime saying “my bad,” but it really got to me). I loved John Turturro as the main Sector 7 agent, and plays his character tongue-in-cheek, like he has a self-realization of how ridiculous he is. He was absolutely hilarious (especially when he has to strip to his underwear, I won’t ruin that for you), but there’s one problem… that type of humor did not belong in this type of movie. A lot of the humor didn’t in my opinion. I wanted it to be funny, but not cheesy kiddy funny, but smart adult funny. Sadly, the humor is hit or miss. When it hits, it’s great
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BOOYAH!!! AUTOMOBOTS RULZ!!!
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The movie is fun. How can you nit-pick robots that turn into cars? For shits sake. It was geared a little toward kids but what do you expect. A part of it felt like a GM commercial, Optimus saying "my bad" pissed me off like in FF:ROTSS, but once you get past that crap it was a solid movie. Action was slick, story was good, special effects ruled, the segmented plot worked, acting was marginal (but Mac and Torturro had great bit parts). I'd give it an A-/B+ for sure. If you find yourself bitching about every geek movie... just sit back, have fun and pretend you're not a cynnical jackoff.
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I'm so lookin' forward to this. I bought my ticket for the first showing earlier today.
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I'm making it a "PRIME" priority to see this movie like a "BUMBLEBEE" was "STARSCREAM"ing towards me. I'll be plopping my "IRONHIDE" down in a seat, and "RATCHET" myself in for the next three hours. And if there's a "BLACKOUT" at the theatre, so help me some "BONECRUSH"ing will be going on. OK that's all I got.
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...someone starts shitting on poor Shia?
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Holy SHIT!
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For posting that Moriarty. Made my day.
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It's too bad to hear he passed today. He was a decent critic that didn't blow too many studios or actors.
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With that, I stopped reading Messi's review. Sorry dude.
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Go watch the behind the scenes stuff on the Superman Returns DVD and you'll see how they spent money on building stuff like the entire Kent farm plus corn fields out in the middle of a desert in Australia. Pretty much every set no matter how mundane was built on a HUGE scale that doesn't translate onto film. That's where all the money went.
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Mmmmmm......Megan Fox.....
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Nope, me neither. Gave up when somebody was dissing The Jesus and mis-spelling the Coen Bros. name. Sorry bud, you don't get to review movies anymore. I dunno, I'm sure it's big noisy fun. Maybe when the crowds die down...
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I'd hit it, but it ain't nothing special.
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thats gotta be an AICN record for that many reviews in one post... and to be honest, totally pointless too. anyone who wasnt sold on the recent trailers alone. isnt the kind of person who would enjoy this movie in the first place
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People keep saying it, but nobody explains it.
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Yeah, what is the deal with Singer. I watched the extras on the X men DVD and he's blabbing on about how Magneto's prison had thousands of tiny hand-laid tiles on the floor, all proud that it was so bespoke and expensive. Like anybody was looking at the tiles! one word: Lino. Twat. Still, I find it hard to believe that Bay is frugal...
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for someone like me. The reason I say this is because I am a normal human being who was a kid during the Transformers days. I watched the cartoon, had some of the toys. Then, guess what happened. I GREW THE FUCK UP!!! I STOPPED watching the cartoon, and STOPPED playing with the toys. Now I just think this is going to be a fun movie reminding me of my childhood, at the same time entertaining the hell out of me. I do not give a FUCK about the flames on Optimus Prime, I do not give a FUCK about Bumblebee being a Mustang. I am just a normal adult who is excited about enjoying a nostalgic moment in the movie theatre. And guess what, after it is over, I WILL GO BACK TO BEING AN ADULT. I can't stand people who are making stupid complaints about a fucking toy and cartoon. If you aren't 5-10 years old then SHUT THE FUCK UP!! There is geek, and there is Stupid. Guess which one you are?
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Yeah FUCK IT!!!!!
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Heh heh.
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Drink your Hater-ade, enjoy it while it lasts! This movie is going to fucking rock! Certainly seems the overwhelming consensus is in the positive. I cannot wait to see this fucking movie!
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I'm utterly hyped for less-blocky and more realistic CGI bot slots.
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ya right. thats gotta be like some anti-Plant stuff going on.
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heehee. I kill me!!!
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Nice review. Glad to hear from you what you think. Now I'm actually excited to see the movie.
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just kidding, I can't wait to see this golden breast of a film
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His views on the film haven't really changed but he would watch it a few more times, what a dumbass.
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in a movie, ever.
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But Idiocracy is great anyway!
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i knew it. teh defense of this movie was well founded, the whiny fanboys have done a 180, and industrykiller is now being pimped on a street corner. now i have to wait 3 fucking weeks for this movie to come to the uk
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I, as the non-english speaking European that I am, always thought this is a normal phrase. Something that people use every day. Like 'oops'. But since some people seem to be very pissed when one of their heroes say it in a movie, there must be something wrong with it.
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.....is like nothing that Optimus Prime would ever say if you follow the TRANSFORMERS TV series, animated movie and I would the suppose the comics as well. He was always very noble and serious. "MY BAD" makes him seem more playful than we are used to. I first though it sounded for him weird but he is a sentient being so it is nice to know that he can have some fun. I LOVE OPTIMUS PRIME!!!!
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June 29, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST
I refuse to read a review that contains more...
by Synthetic Hair Atop Thespian
..words than the movie's script itself. Especially the first one; I gave up after the 26th paragraph. Sheesh!
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MY BAD!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
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See: ebonics
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I'm still not seeing this. Period. I'm too hardcore. When I say I'm not seeing something or that someone is not getting my money, I mean it. Murphy and Bay have acted like supreme assholes and making a "great movie" does not alleviate/expunge this. I really wanted character development with the robots. It could have worked. Apparently I stand alone. Glad you liked it Yack.
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You'll see it.
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it came from someone saying 'Michael Bay Denies' but actually spelt it 'Michael Bay Denis' and people started using it as his name.
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I've never seen you post here. No I won't. I'll spend time with my daughter instead. Why would I lie about somethiing like that? I hate Final Fantasy 7 too. Am I full of shit about that too? Tell me more about myself, please. I refused to see Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3, Fantastic Four and its sequel, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, etc. Shall I go on. Again, why would I lie about something like that? What does that prove?
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great having a friend who's a manager at a theater. i will jump and scream around the theater with no one to tell me to shut up. OK, back to the TF 360 game, which I love BTW.
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I like the guy. However I can't believe i'm saying this, that you should see it at least once or sneak in. The starscream air battle is worth it alone, yeah some of the things annoy me as pointed out but it is worth seeing just for the action alone even if some stuff is insulting.
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He thinks a Batman film where Batman kills and allows people to die is a good Batman film. Also he is a cunce (generally he refuses to spell this word)
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But may have been high while watching this
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that curiosity might get the best of you down the road some saturday night?
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hey assfuck, if you read my review and know my views what I meant by that is that my views are still the same in that the flames still look bad, and megatron still looks like ass, the lips should of gone, they aren't as great character wise as they should have been but it doesn't meant the film wasn't entertaining or even bad.
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...Admitted the film was a horrible mess. It's just that some were okay with that... Probably the same people who thought Van Helsing was good.
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I spelt cunce like that because I found it amusing. I guess most people think a batman film where batman kills people? and leaves people to die(which was righteous) is a good batman film. What do you know anyway? you listen to crappy music, you aren't really one to talk about taste.
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It has problems but they are minor and the rest of the film is ALOT better than expected. Van Helsing? No way.
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but it seems a bit disingenuous when you state that you'll never see it after calling yourself "hardcore".
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This is no different from any of his films except he has computer geniuses making the film look impressive for him. Bay is one of the worst main stream directors alive. I would have preferred Spielberg to direct. He wouldn't have been so heavy handed with everything. The film can be summed up in one short character interaction: Wife: "he has your laugh" Husband: "are you sure he didn't just fart?" Hilarious Michael Bay. Grow the fuck up you moron.
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AS long as they have the Sharkacons, Junkicons, and Spike's son Daniel.
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I agree with you on Megatron. He just looks plain dumb. Not dumb enough to keep me from seeing this movie though. I'm just trying to figure out how that possibly happened. Who was smoking crack in the design department and gave that version the final stamp of approval?
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Like I said in my review, it's partly a Bay movie, partly an 80's Spielberg movie, partly a mega event blockbuster movie and partly a transformers movie. The Bay aspects have been toned down.
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is a Batman film where Gordon is a comedy sidekick and now a Bay film. Way to go there pal. Oh and cunce is hilarious . .I'm with you all the way there.
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Terrible design. What kind of Transformers film would delegate Starscream and Megatron to small roles and give Barricade and "pretend" Soundwave all the screentime? Damn this movie was so dumb. And what were the Decepticons doing the whole time? Just sitting around until called? WTF?!!
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My views on the film are virtually the same as yours but I disagree with the megatron aspect, it wasn't Megatron. He doesn't have the charm that Welker brought to the role, can you imagine Megs saying "you have failed me for the last time Starscream" in Welker's voice. Blow my load. I realize now that Welker's voice had ALOT to do with the character, that sneering attitude.
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and I should have used quotes on that word. I just get slated in that group for some reason. Again, when I say/claim something, I mean it. This movie wasn't made with me in mind, and it shouldn't have been. I have no curiousity for this dreck. Visual Effects are not a big thrill for me. I like a good story and this film truly does not possess such. Zero to limited characterization with the titular characters. Not for me. When I get bored some Saturday night, as you say, I'll pop in one the flicks in the Ozu collection I just got in the mail today. Or read my infantile comic books. Or spend time with my daughter and wife. I have other hobbies other than film and posting on this site. <P> the scream said it nicely at 09:02:13 PM
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= Isis, Mogwai, Fugazi. Enough said.
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Every single character in the film was a wise guy. Every second line of dialogue was a smartarse comment. The action was loud, cluttered and incomprehensible. The story was dumb as were the characters. Seriously, the black computer geek screaming at the top of his lungs was "toned down"? The joke about Shia masturbating in his room was "toned down"?
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I'm not saying they weren't there, I wrote that they are there just not as blatantly as in other times, the use of music annoyed me etc. The toned down was in the Bayisms, in his old movies the cut shots of flying things with the sunset and that b grade hans zimmer like music was rampant but here it's not as rampant meaning toned down.
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tight, tight and tightness personified. <P>Messi like Jesu too. more tightness
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Fuck yeah.
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Isis and Mogwai fucking destroy.
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They were eating in a Vietnamese restaurant in Lawrence before their show. They all autographed my copy of Absence of Truth. Really cool guys. I probably would have thrown pho noodles in my face if I were them.
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Messi's review first says he likes it but then goes on to rip into it. Why do these fans have to overanalyse every little fucking detail. Hell, you can't put every little aspect of the cartoon or earlier movie into a mega-buck live action/cgi movie. It would be 5 hours long and cost a trillion dollars. Plus Bay/Speilburg couldn't make it for just Transformers fans. It had to appeal to everyone. Otherwise only 'Transformers' fans would buy tickets and it wouldn't make enough money to justify a sequel. Plus, this it the introduction/origin film, they need to get the base story down before moving on. God, I'm sick of fan-boy tools nitpicking every little detail and fan-fucking the movie. If you can't move on from Flames and lips, you're not going to enjoy anything the flick has to offer. It was a great flick. Check your nitpicking ego at the door and enjoy.
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I think the Bayisms are as strong as ever before. I was on the verge of going bright red during every attempt at "humour". Ha ha ha, the fat guy ate 20 donuts. Ha ha ha, the fat guy is playing tough but cracks under the pressure immediately. Seriously, people are still writing these cliques.
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I look very forward to reading Moriarty's analysis of Transformers and also of Die Hard 4, but also hope Harry can weigh in with he likes and dislikes about both films.
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"If you find yourself bitching about every geek movie... just sit back, have fun and pretend you're not a cynnical jackoff." Well said.
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I was addressing all the issues talkbackers brought up since i've followed this for along time. And the movie did look like it cost a trillion dollars, the decisions I didn't like wouldn't have cost any more money, putting prime's faceplate on for one. And the 'only transformers fans would buy tickets' well that's the crowd, i have seen 3 kids so far thest are in their 20's and cheered, it's obvious they are transformers fans. This argument doesn't hold water anymore.
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i hate bays films...i hate the new designs....i hate linkin park...but i fucking loved this film. it is fucking great...of course there is a lot of horseshit in there..unnecessary crap that could have been cut but it is bays best film by a fucking mile and if you loved the cartoon as a kid then I am sure you more thnas likely like this. if you don't then i don;t think you were going to be happy with any film version...and this is coming from a guy who really feels like a dick for how much i have abused this film....i loved it..
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It sure is good to be right. Seeing Transformers in action is like sex for your eyes. Bay > you.
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as a guinea pig so the rest of us will know it isn't too scary or intense for 6 year olds. Nice job.
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....new Transformers 'accidentally' created by the All-Spark cube violent at 'birth'? That cellphone (the little experiment at Sector 7) transformer started blasting at anything it saw, that can drinks dispenser transformer also attacked people around it and chick suffered a 'face-hugger attack' when her car transformed. Sure brings to mind the question of "are men born evil"? Even Ironhide displayed violent tendencies. Makes one ponder if Optimus 'religiously converted' his fellow Autobots. Maybe he's the only 'Good Guy' created by the All Spark.
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Just too much has been changed with no rhyme or reason why they felt the need to change it only to make it realistic in their minds. To me that just spells utter contempt to the fans that have followed Transformers since the beginning, like me. I mean Murphy's and Bay's contempt for the fans is readily available for reading on their own websites. Why would someone fill their pockets after having them berate you? <p> Believe it or not, I actually do have a life and other stuff to do but when something like this comes around you expect more and somehow get less. <p> How hard is it to update an iconic design but to still maintain the elements that made said design iconic? How hard is it to give the design the character that helped to make it iconic? Why not cast the person who breathed life into the character and as such took it over the top to make it an iconic character? I've been wondering this for months, especially when I see other old stuff being updated and yet retaining that which people liked. <p> None of that is here in Transformers. The one thing all these reviews share is that the FX are great. They fuckin' better be. ILM set the standard for Christ sake so there's no debating how good the FX are, hell I would think you could cut out the rest of the film and just have the FX and no one would miss it. But for me that's just not enough. <p> I expect good plot, character development, and action, as well as great FX to make a movie like this totally successful. So far there has only been FX work that stands out but everything else is sorely lacking. I'm sorry, I'm just not the kind of guy to waste an hours pay on something that doesn't give back to me in the way put out. I don't just want to see total fucking destruction or robots kicking each other's ass. I want to see what motivates the robots to be how they are and why they fight. I want to see each robot's unique personality played out on screen as opposed to mute filler to make FX geeks go OOH and AHH. Yeah people think someone like me will see this the first day, but in actuality I'm gonna miss the theatrical run as well as the release on DVD. I expect more from my movies and so far the films released this summer have not been anything to write home about. Lame.
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You're an idiot Starscream. <p> DIE, AUTOBOTS!!! <p> Why throw away your life so recklessly? <p> Decepticons, ATTACK!!! <p> Alas, none of that is heard here......
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As you wish o' mighty Megatron (in condescending voice) <p> I will be the new leader of the Decepticons <p> PATHETIC FOOLS!!! THERE'S NO ESCAPE!!!! <p> I can understand why they couldn't cast the voice actor on account he died years ago, but still, there were MANY missed opportunities to bring Starscream's character to this film. That's just fucked up screenwriting and filmmaking.
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Agreed. Screenwriting and filmmaking were fucked. That's pretty much what makes a film. But people are going to lap up the wiz bang special effects and claim this is what they wanted. Jurassic Park was the perfect example of a big, dumb action/sci-fi film that was also kinda smart and fun to watch. Transformers is just Michael Bay smacking things around with a sledgehammer for 120+ mins.
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What I don't understand is why someone claiming to refuse to see the movie would bother posting (multiple times) in a thread about the movie. What's the point? Why get all indignant? If time with your daughter is all that valuable to you, why waste your evening here? Seems like you'd have more precious time with your daughter and comic books if you simply ignored all news about Transformers and moved on. Odd.
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did they like it? is Megan Fox hot?
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only fanboys think its bad and not being one, i as well as MANY others liked it. happy? lol
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People will see it the first weekend and it will rake in some dough but then they'll soon realize it's nothing more than an empty shell of a film with good production value and little else. Something we've all seen happen numerous times this summer.
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Can't wait for the sequel. Still can't get over the mouth. Didn't care for it in Beastwars and I don't think it works now. Convoy with a mouth doesn't work. Yes there are plenty of things to bitch about but damn those lips are distracting... http://tinyurl.com/23fzv5
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Oh my God what did they do to you they fed you Kool Aid and you drank it. Fucking Michael Bay just date raped Yackbacker.
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There goes your theory. Granted it was dumb that Megatron and Starscream got no screentime. However, my biggest gripe is that the film is boring, stupid and filled with standard Michael Bayisms that just ruin every bloody scene. Michael Bay is almost as bad as Paul W Anderson. At least Anderson films are fun to laugh at over a beer. Bay's films are just to preposterous and standard, I just switch off completey.
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June 29, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST
MORI, YOU NEED TO INVESTIGATE THE "YACKBACKER" REVIEW
by BringingSexyBack
Instruction is right. Something is not right here. It's like in THEY LIVE or INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS ... that guy is a plant, a pod person, a shape-shifter, an imposter. <p>My buddy Yack would never sign off the way he did with his name in parentheses. He's a virtual staple of AICN Talkbacks. Please cross-check the originating e-mail address from that reviewer and confirm it with the address under Yack's login name. I'll bet they're not the same. And if you trace the IP address I'll bet it leads you to Shia LeBeouf's parents' house.
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June 29, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST
ALSO, YACKBACKER SAID HE WOULD BE TRAVELING ABOUT NOW
by BringingSexyBack
and would not even be around when Transformers opens. That's why he's not even in the Talkbacks. If he really did review it, he would have commented in here under his login. There's a Black Operation going on here and Yackbacker's name has been compromised!!!!!!!!
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Rickey can confirm this is a FALSE FLAG YACKBACKER OPERATION.
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turns out i was only on the fifth one. holy shit Moriarty.
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Damn you Don Murphy.
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June 29, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST
Hey Yack I checked out the iPhone at the Soho store
by BringingSexyBack
today. It's pretty tight but I'm not ready to leave Nextel for AT&T.
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He has both Yackbacker and Yack Backer. But I agree something is not right. He sounds like Michael Bay is holding a gun to his nuts or something. Yack's been compromised.
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Those dudes have been hating on Bay's TF since day one. Drivin' up the talkbacks and what not. What gives?
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June 29, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST
AHAHAHAHHA All you whiners have been crushed!!
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
100% at Rotton and now some of your own turning on you in droves. I love it! I got a fucking stiffy reading those reviews. Jesus Christ I am not going to know what to do with myself until Tuesday. This is it, the real deal. The true Summer Blockbuster has arrived. Bay has found his calling and it's only good news for us who love big fun Summer movies. What do you have to say now Vern? You still going to crap on this movie before seeing it? LOL!! I can't fucking wait!!!
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Fuck all of those reviews and fuck Bayformers. People are just excited they are seeing it early. Ask them two weeks from now and its going to be a different story. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST
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Want to read your opinion as a non-original fan. Already know I;m gonna love it.
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What the fuck are two prominent talkbackers doing praising the shit out of this film? Why dont you go back a few days and see what you were writing about this movie. Have some shame...please.
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I'm sure it's pretty good, but Harry Potter is still gonna kick its ass. Why else would they release it on a monday?
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June 29, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST
I got so excited I forgot it was monday and that sucks
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
because I am in a band and we have a show on Monday :( FUCK!
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But maybe Spielberg slapped him around a little, and told him how to be a good filmaker. Let's hope so. Oh, and fuck everyone who likes Armageddon!
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that are longer than "The Great Gatsby." Glad that Yackbacker points out the obvious lesson. See the damn film before you pass judgment. Movies aren't scripts. You might have read a great script and it was made into a shite film. Or you read a crappy script and--surprise!--the film is pretty good. So just wait to see the damn movies before you come in here with all yer damnation or praise.
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this is the site saying Ironman will be awesome based on nothing but a drawing so watcha expect. lol
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That wasn't a drawing.
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Just saw Transformers yesterday hoping for the best, or at least something as mindlessly enjoyable as ID4. To put it bluntly, it didn't do it for me. It was a mess of a movie. I mean, the plot is shit. It concerns Shia's grandpa's glasses on ebay being a necessary key to finding the allspark cube, which is under government surveillance anyway, along with a frozen megatron. You see, Shia's grandpa was digging up megatron in thr artic ice back in the 1930s or so and megatron's eyes blasted him, killing him but leaving an imprint of where the cube is on his glasses. So that's what the autobots are after. The deceptions also. It's really stupid, because once they have the cube, Shia runs around with it, while the robots have major tussels. A MESS! Constant shaky camera, terrible angles on the action, never a prolonged shot on the action. That was seriously pissing me off.
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Ah, Hell Naw! Oh, and one of the lines from the movie is....... "This is cooler than Armageddon." No, really. Michael Bay said that in a interview. I fucking hate him!
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the drawing made on a computer
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I agree about nitpicking, everyones a critic right, but id love to see the kind of movie these guys would make with 200 million and big studio backing, most likely two hours of jessica alba soaping up her titties in between action set pieces .... assholes Revenge of the Sith is a way better movie than Hostel or any of that cheap horror shit these bozos praise....
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after watching this movie. It can't get any worse than that. DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!
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Honestly, do we really need this many reviews? Just pick one positive, and one negative. That's all we need.
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Why I have bothered posting multiple times now and in the past (i.e. the point your are questioning) is due mostly in part to my love of The Transfromers and film in general. I’ve never seen your screen name on other talkbalks and you sound as if you are new to the TINO TBs. Otherwise you would have surely read some of my many, many posts and thusly got “the point.” <P>Indignant? Sure. I get indigent when assholes assume they know me or when assholes disrespect a property that deserves better realization. That’s why i responded to you since you found it in your interests to take a proverbial stab at me when I was merely responding to messi and YackBacker. Perfectly fine. I just loathe those you say “see you in line” or “you’ll be the first one in line at the midnight showing” or someother such nonsense. What the fuck is that? Well, you baited and I stupidly took it. Nice. <P>I don’t consider posting here and sharing opinions a waste of time. I mentioned it was one of my many hobbies. Matter of fact, my slow response time was due to me spending time with my daughter and thusly putting her down to sleep. I have moved on for the most part (concerning this film as I have with other poor comic adaptations). I just wanted to thank messi and Yack for their reviews. <P>Odd to you? Ok, it’s odd to you. I have enjoyed The Transformers for over two decades now (and I saw a lot more potential with the property than what was realized) and film for even longer. I like to talk/type about it. That’s the point of this site.
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It was a pic of the actual suit. Not cg.
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A bunch of reviews; a majority of them positive. Even a high %tage fresh rating on RT.<P>Now look at you...tearing down your fellow Talkbackers for enjoying the film. You've even begun to call your former hater-buddies PLANTS!!! Talk about your basic irony. (and everything comedic that entails). Unbelievable.<P>I've seen some pathetic stuff said in Talkback regarding this film. But you guys take the fucking cake. Congratulations!
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It's gonna take multiple viewings to make out his face. Waaaaay too much going on with that god awful design.
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can suck a fat dick. I mean, grow up and get the fuck over it already. Touch a boobie for once.
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Just read those reviews. Jesus fuck christ. What the hell kind of movie is this? It is either hate or love. People either jizz in their pants or quit life. THis movie is the like the line in the sand for film fans. Either your hardcore about cinema or just love film and enjoyed it. I am actually afraid to see it now. Will I become a conformist zombie or an elitist prick?
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You lost your bet son. I fucking guarantee I won't be there on opening day. I am not going to give Mr. Murphy and Mr. Bay my money. That simple.
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sure it has its problems, we all know this, and knew it would. but apparently its damn fun, so fuck off. i cant wait to have the shit entertained out of me at 8 on monday
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Glad you enjoyed the movie. Really am. Good for you guys. I think everyone is happier when they get to enjoy a movie. <p>Mr. Nice Gauis<br>You have stuck to your guns through this whole thing and that shows guts. Your condescending attitude has always been off putting but it worked.<p>BadMrWonka<br>I think your review was well rounded and interesting. Seemed very real and even-handed.<p>I think I am going to wait to see this movie for free somehow. Stick to my original sentiment about Don murphy's attitude and Bay's disregard for the fans.
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is a bad thing? and no, im not 12 you dumb ass.fine, you can stay home and not see it, sit in a puddle of your own tears because you are too sorry of a human to enjoy something that is not oscar worthy. i dont want you in my theater anyways.
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I'm a purist who advocates respect for the source material. Also I don't like to be talked down to and mistreated by the salesmen of anything. Particularly Bay and Murphy as millionaire hollywood types. It really seems this movie is what everyone expected. Dumb fun with minimal intelligence. Some people can enjoy that and others can not.
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June 30, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST
You seriously don't know how to spell "unnecessary"?
by thebearovingian
Wow. Just wow. Misspelling it more than once is not a typo. "unnessasery" (sic) <p> Yeah, definitely more Transformers reviews than I could handle. Overkill much? Nah.
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It has been almost a week so yeah your right. <p>I will eventually see it but definately not on opening day like you said. Should I be expecting a check or money order for $1000.00 soon...
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I do not believe I ever made any remarks about the TF script to anyone. What I night have said was wait for the movie. Judge it then. I don't care enough about this film or the source material to have any concerns about it. I am looking forward to seeing the massive robots destroying shit. Seriously, I bet it's going to be big fun. I never watched the cartoons, never had the Tranformers register on my radar.</p> <p>Through your words I was worried you were having an aneurysm. I hope you're okay!
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Seriously, I'm looking forward to Iron Man. Next year is going to be a helluva year for those of us who need some escapist fare that does not suck out loud.
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amount of reviews. It was as if Mori was saying, "This is going to be big and unavoidable." Or maybe he just wanted to get them all out of the way.
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I wouldnt mind a job shadow for a day. Come on down to Ohio. I'll even buy you lunch...with the thousand dollars you'll owe me.
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I predict a downturn in the crow population over the next couple of weeks.
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Megatron what a frickin joke, i'm lost for words. what's with the stupid spinning fingers/blade for hands, retarded. Some guy in a suit getting advice from his spoiled 12 year old who has no concept of the orig transformers. That's what that is. He probably thought he was the shit too for coming up with it.
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Trying to get the Nascar crowd....whoooo hoooo boy you see them flames ther, whoooo hooooo!!!
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I'll see it, just to see how badly they fuk it up. When I heard a Transformers movie was coming out, oh shit! finally. Now...it's like, Megatron!, look at fukin Megatron, and Bumblebee don't even get me started. Why!? Nuff said I'm done.
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I’ve been reading the Transformers talkback for a long time now. And there are things you all been speaking about that I can agree and disagree on. And there has been times when I have been quiet when I should have spoken. Now I have to say something. I just hope it’s not too late: To Bay Apologists: I don’t know why you have such a big problem with the Bay Haters, but I wish you could stop it. All they ever wanted is for Transformers to become one of the greatest stories of all time. But I’ll get to that later, first I want to say something about Optimus’s Flames. Flames on Optimus: From the looks of things, many people don’t know why Optimus having Flames is such a big deal. I can’t speak for everyone, but this is my reasons: 1. When Michael Bay wanted Flames, it was almost as if he was tossing little girls and old grandmothers aside, just to go to the concept artiste and tell him “I Want Flames On This Robot, Or Else I’ll Rip Your Head Off And Shove It Up Your Ass!!!” And if Michael Bay went out of his way just so he can have Flames on a robot he didn’t give a damn about, then what do you think is going to happen to Transformers? Do you really think he is NOT going to touch the story the same way? 2. Having Flames on something isn’t that big of a deal, as long as it’s done right. Games like Final Fantasy 8 and WarHammer 40K had lots of Flames, but it was *never* used to show how ‘cool’, or ‘hip’, or childish the characters were. And By ‘childish’ I mean, seeing something stupid like, oh let’s say, having a character going “YEEEEEE-HA!” while emerging from the Death Star, or, have a teen going “Yeah-WHOOO!” on the front of the Titanic. You know what I mean. Unfortunately, the only reason that Michael Bay put Flames is to reflect his feeling and ego onto the film. NOT because he wanted to show an artistic-side or anything. That’s why people are saying ‘FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = NIPPLES ON THE BATSUIT’. Because the nipples were the first sign that Joel Schumacher's homosexuality was going to be in the movie. Guess what? They were right! Neon lights, Two-Face and Riddler acting gay, and (this is the best one!) Batman showing his butt to the camera! [!] Nope, no homosexuality in Joel Schumacher, eh? (Read: I’m joking). That’s why no one likes the Flames: because it seems like something that belongs in an Armageddon or Bad Boys movie. 3. The Flames was just a really bad idea. But did Michael Bay listen to anybody? Nooooooooo! He thought all the fans were wrong and he was right. What does that mean for the Fans? It means, when Michael Bay comes up with another stupid idea, they’ll be no way to stop him. Stupid ideas like, oh, let’s say, having giant fish-lips on a cool robot that never needed them in the first place. Again To Bay Apologists: I don’t know what your problem with you Bay Apologists is, but I wish you would stop it! You have hounded and hounded and hounded the Bay Haters with pitiful excuses for this movie. STOP IT! It is driving me crazy! I mean, why? Why don’t you defend something that has *real* value like cartoons, or video games, or comic books, or novels, or even miniature wargames? (MechWarrior, Warhammer, etc.) Michael Bay makes garbage, period. He’s a bad director and I can prove it: GEORGE LUCAS VS. MICHAEL BAY: Internet Movie Database = IMDB Rotten Tomatoes = RT Bad Boys: IMDB: 6.4/10 (26,078 votes) RT: 44% The Rock: IMDB 7.1/10 (67,565 votes) RT: 63% Armageddon: IMDB: 5.8/10 (69,451 votes) RT: 41% Pearl Harbor: IMDB: 5.3/10 (53,941 votes) RT: 25% Bad Boys II: IMDB 6.1/10 (25,951 votes) RT: 25% The Island: IMDB: 6.9/10 (40,912 votes) RT: 40% Now, mathematically speaking, if Episode I - The Phantom Menace was such a “Bad movie”, with a score of 6.3/10 (129,617 votes) at the Internet Movie Database, and 63% at Rotten Tomatoes, then logically, shouldn’t that mean Michael Bay makes mostly *awful* movies? Conclusion: Sometime I think you Bay Apologists are truly mad. You ignore ***EVERYTHING*** Bay Haters can throw at you; They tell you how bad Michael Bay is, you ignore it! They show you the script, you ignore it! They show you how bad the actors are, you ignore it! They show you the story’s details, you ignore it! And the only thing you ever use to defend yourself is the old, old ‘you haven’t seen the movie yet.’ NO! I haven’t seen the movie yet! So what? I didn’t see Battlefield Earth when it first came out either. The trailer looked bad. Anyways, the other defense you make is that ‘the cartoon was made to sell toys’, or ‘the cartoon’s story was awful.’ I have to agree with the story part, the cartoon really didn’t have the best story around. But the potential was there. That’s why the Bay Haters are so defensive. They see the same way I saw video games 15 years ago: I knew games had the potential to become greater then any movie out there. And lo, that’s what happened, with games like Final Fantasy, Half-Life, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, Fallout, and Bioshock. But no one here thinks that Armageddon was better then Transformers: The Movie. NO ONE. I think I speak for all Bay Haters when I say ‘we don’t want any part of Armageddon, to end up in Transformers.’ I could go on and on and on, but I conclude this about you guys: If you love Armageddon, you’ll love this movie too. Well, there nothing more for me to say but: ‘Have fun Bay Apologists!’ To Bay Haters: I’m on your side. But.... What I can’t stand is your random complaining on some of the best movies out there. I mean, yes, I can see how bad Armageddon, Independence Day, and Godzilla is. But when you start attacking Star Wars: Episode 1, 2, and 3, Dead Man's Chest, At World's End, Spider-Man 3, Matrix Reloaded, Matrix Revolutions, King Kong, and even Anime.... well, it makes me feel sad, because your putting it on the same level as Michael Bay. I mean, come-oooooon! If you telling me that it’s going to be as bad as Matrix Revolutions, Phantom Menace, or even Revenge of the Sith, then I *want* to go see Transformers! When you say stupid things like ‘Revenge of the Sith was terrible!’ how do you think people are going to take it? Revenge of the Sith was the best movie I Ever saw in my whole life, and has the most action I ever seen in any movie. And yes, *all* the characters are fantastic. Yet you want more.... how? How can you say the old Transformers was good, but then say Revenge of the Sith is ‘bad’? And then there are the other Transformers shows. Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Armada, Energon, Cybertron were not all bad. Beast Wars and Beast Machines had a tighter story, without the ‘lesson of the week’ crap. Armada and Energon ( I didn’t see Cybertron) had a moving story arc and gave Starscream a more developed character. Those were things G1 cartoon never had and you’re telling me it’s bad? How can Story Arc and Developed Characters be a bad thing? When you go on and on about how ‘great’ G1 was, and then reject all the new Transformers, don’t you think you look a little biased? Last Words: I wish I had more time to go over all the topics, but there’s no more time, and I’m a slow writer. So this is going to have to be my last big post (for the most part). So good luck to you all!
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Well, actually, I just said that to sound dramatic. Still, so many of these reviews read like the rantings of a 12-year-old who gets a hard-on when things go boom (ie someone like Michael Bay, who has the mind of a 12-year-old). At any rate, I like how Moriarty is, without any doubt, shilling for Transformers. I mean, my God, when you say 'surrender to Michael Bay' and talk about how resistance to the film is 'futile,' the claims at journalistic integrity are kind of laughable (and the hive mentality of 'you must see it and you will love it' is pretty frightening). Michael Bay is pretty much a terrible filmmaker, a glorified effects coordinator who specializes in making films that are essentially cinematic junk food. But unlike junk food, Bay's films also spread jingoism, stereotypes and more that give this country a bad name. Oh well. I won't be seeing this, and not because I'm a Transformers fan (I was never a fan of the original series), but because Michael Bay is an awful filmmaker.
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And these reviews basically confirmed what I suspected: this movie will be Independence Day, but with the name Transformers and shameless product placement. Too bad Independence Day is a terrible, terrible film.
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but all I got from Mori's preface was something to the effect of...This thing is coming, it's huge, and it's going to rule the world...he's not shilling for Bay. He's telling us that something big is coming to town, and that resistance is futile. Maybe he knows something you don't?
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I suspect it will be a big smashing entertainment and will bring people back for multiple viewings. I think it has Number One written all over it. (Of course, I thought "Get Rich or Die Tryin' was going to be a big hit - I never saw it, of course.)
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I think Transformers will do...80-100 million first weekend. Total domestic gross of 230-250 million, total worldwide gross of 400-550 million. So I don't think it will be huge by any means. It might be big, but I doubt it will break any records.
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I am guessing you aren't a big reader/poster on AICN, because whether or not us nerds agree with what Messi is throwing down, he isn't a plant. I have read the guy's posts for the past year or so, and I am a relatively a newbie if you are counting in years. I enjoyed your review Messi, but you should retake College Writing 100. Your grammar is eh. You did seem to really hype the movie up, as if Bay finally created something worth watching, but then proceeded to point out every last flaw as if saying "don't get TOO excited though". That doesn't really bother me though, you were just trying to be well-rounded in your coverage of the film. I respect that. Again though, instruction, Messi isn't a planter. Sorry to disappoint.
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I have Mogwai stickers on my closet walls. Along with Mission Of Burma, Early Man, etc. I was just messing with you earlier cause I wanted you to cuss up a storm or something lol.
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I saw the movie last night too and I agree...except the part about diseased elephant shit. That's just odd. But, why waste time weighing the positives and negatives of a movie that had no positives at all anyway? That's just me.
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June 30, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST
Mattyboy122, you're joking right? $250mil? HAHAAHA
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Not even close. This movie could be the first movie to bust $150+ mil for a weekend. It's going to shatter records across the board. The multiple viewings alone will take it to $250 before the 2nd weekend starts. You really underestimate how big this movie is going to be. It's going to be massive beyond what we've seen at the box office. $80 mil first weekend?? hahahahaaha, man you got me rolling on the floor with that one hahhahah 80 mil, yeah right. I am going to say that all the stars are lined up on this one and it's going to be the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time right underneath of Titanic. Could even take top spot if it really gets legs with young boys who will want their fathers to take them over and over again to see the "big robots blow stuff up". And because the fathers grew up with it they will be glad to go. Man you are sooo far off base with your estimate.
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...was less aboutthis film - which we hadn't seen at the time - and more about the critical standpoint of 'This ain't Shakespeare: fuck story and character, a summer blockbuster should be about explosions!'
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I'm a spacestation, but seriously, ask around, i've been here for a while, and if you think i'm embedded as if this was my job well I can tell you that all my posts got deleted, every single one where I scorned michael bay which sucks. But also. No plant criticizes a film as much as i did, all the problems I pointed out, no plant does that, remember the plant review, the first one with the chest buming kids, that had negativities that were changed or able to throwaway. The thing with this movie is that it's a really good movie with a few problems, it's not a disater not even a mediocre film, it's an incredibly enjoyable blockbuster that if they hit the right notes could have been one of the great memorable movies(hell it might be up there).
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...“The Rock” is a better film than “Transformers”, but then you would sound like an idiot because you’d be arguing about Michael Bay movies." That made me laugh.
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No wonder there are 800 thousand different reviews posted...you can't shit where you eat. Where are the reviews from the big cheeses?
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I don't think it's a throwaway opening weekend thing. I think this movie will be one of the hits of the year and will definately have legs.
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I respect you more because at least you can admit you did enjoy yourself. Just as I will come on here after seeing the movie and if I think it sucked I will say it sucked and I was wrong. I cannot stand Bay films. Hate them. The only one I saw which I mildly enjoyed was The Island. It was terrible. But truly his movies suck donkey dick. IMO he was born to direct Transformers. It's the perfect tentpole, flagship franchise for someone like him because he does action well. Your fellow Talkbakers are just upset because their bubble has been crushed and they will be standing in line with everyone else to see this event movie even if they don't want to admit it. At least you are man enough to say the truth of what you thought regardless of the idiots who will flame you for it now. Fuck um.
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Are you sure you're not Michael Bay...? Or Don Murphy...? I jest, but really, I have no idea what makes you think this movie will be anywhere near the level of Titanic. Transformers aren't huge right now (at least not even close to how huge they were in their 80's prime), and to get those Titanic numbers you need to get repeat viewings from the teenage girl audience (which, again, explained Titanic), and I'm sorry, but Shia is no Leo DiCaprio. I stand by my estimates, and if I'm wrong I'll eat crow, but I expect the same from you if you're wrong. BTW, Spider-Man 3 broke $150 million in its first weekend, so it has happened before.
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it's not exactly transformers but it's not Tino either, like i said there were wasted oppurtunities and if they addressed them the film would be one of the greats, but the rest of the film is pretty damn good. It's just weird, there are not many films that have some minor problems that frustrate fans yet itself as a whole happens to be a really good movie. It's not Batman Begins, but it's not Batman and Robin, it's not even Batman 89 it's better than Batman 89.
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and that's a problem I have because I just wish he was infused with the brain of another great filmmaker to 'fix' up the problems. He really has moments of greatness in this film but he needs someone to slap him around(harder than Spielberg) to fix little things, there should be a dude who does directing doctoring, to iron out the little problems because in the long run, his eye for action, spectacle and putting you on the edge of your seat(for this movie since i don't care for his other movies) is pretty brilliant but he needs a guy to say 'Hey Prime needs the mouthguard on alot more', 'don't put score on this slow motion shot', 'starscream needs another line like "pathetic fools! there's no escape". He needs a guy to produce like a great record producer, iron out his songs.
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....But I wouldn't have sent one in if I would have known so many people saw it allready. And yeah, I'm not Memflix.
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June 30, 2007, 2:06 a.m. CST
Mattyboy122, don't insult me by calling me Bay
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Fuck Bay. Fuck all his other shitty movies. However the one thing that clown does well is action scenes. He does them big and for this type of movie he's the right guy regardless of the garbage he put out before. Plus everyone fails to mention how much Speilberg played a HEAVY hand in shaping this film up. <BR> <BR> And yeah sure I will come on here after the weekend if the movie has tanked and say you were right. But you have to come back here and say I was right if it's the biggest opening of all time which I think it's going to be. Really you must live in a cave if you cannot tell how many people are talking about this movie. I don't watch TV. I don't listen to the radio. I can tell you right now when I was at a bar last week and that trailer came on during the NNA Finals the bar I was at went ape shit. I've never seen people ever in my life cheer and go apeshit over a fucking trailer for a movie at a bar. It was like everyone stopped what they were doing to marvel at the flatscreen for 2 mins. Seriously. This movie is going to be massive, you're very wrong. And I am not trying to come down on you but really the statements you are making sound foolish. It makes it seem like you are just not tuned in with the buzz surrounding this movie. <BR> <BR> I've also as long as I've been a reader of this site never seen a movie generate so much love/hate on the TBs.
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Whilst running through your gargantuan post, my initial thoughts were, "This guy's talking some sense." Why, oh why did you have to say something like, "Revenge of the Sith was the best movie I Ever saw in my whole life." That's ammunition right there for everyone and their mother's daddies to slate you for lack of culture.
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I agree with you, 110%, as I'm sure the majority of people who appreciate the art of film do, in the context of Michael Bay being complete shit at everything other than action scenes. I watched TF last night, and I have to say, I was taken aback by the sheer amount of action going on in the film. I have to give Bay credit for his vivid imagination. Spot on about Transformers being *the* biggest movie of the year, in terms of public buzz, and anyone else who says otherwise is clearly not in tune with the rest of society.
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Something is a brewin.....
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venom really bugged me because it was just stupid and wasted. starscream even though not being starscream does incredibly awesome things and it's open for a sequel, of course no excuse but it doesn't feel like it takes away from the movie as much as venom did.
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Will be what prevents a flick like this from breaking records. It's refreshing to see somebody who hates Bay but is looking forward to this film, but I still don't imagine this film being that massive. But hey, if it is, I'll come on to the eventual official Transformers talkback and eat crow.
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It's a movie about robots from another planet that transform into cars and fight for Christ sakes. "I'm a purist who advocates respect for the source material" Dude, its based on a '80s cartoon and we get guys babbling shit like this like they are translating the Bible. God, now I know how dorky I sound when I rant about how much I hate the Pre-Star Wars trilogy. Tragic. Really.
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transformer dudes grow up? this coming from a dude whose name is sithmenace??? This movie was far better, entertaining and tighter than all of the prequels.
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Ha! That's a review from David Poland, not me. But I thought it was funny. I guess I'll have to sneak into this and see just how great the SFX are...
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even if i liked the movie.
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so there is virtually no evidence that I ever dissed Bay or this movie, that's a shame because I had valid points that are still valid but also because I was so brutal and I also said some funny things. It's all in the memories now.
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it's now known that both disagreed with bay's vision and Bay put them on the side and didn't talk to them. So this is a bay creation.
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...but when I go to see a movie called transformers I want to see transformers not a boy and his first car so I'm still going to wait till Dee Vee Dee on this one.
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will have a bit more potential seeing as that they don't need to introduce any more humans they can get to the point.
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it's not independance day, it's not as empty as that movie and it's more enjoyable than ID4. That's something I have to admit, it isn't just spectacle, it's a good film which needs some ironing out, little silly problems.
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Thanks. I wrote it in a hurry as soon as I got home and sent it straight away, i wasn't thinking about grammar but trying to remember the movie and just bringing out the points that talkbackers want to hear since i know the deal with transformers on aicn. I was writing the review for them, that's why there is nothing about Turtorro or how I saw the movie in thematic terms.
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ha. nice choice in music, might listen to mission of burma right now. but yeah the cunt made a fucking good movie though he needs someone to iron out his problems. FUCK YOU BAY!(for old times sake)
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s. People seem to really enjoy it. It's going to be a big movie.
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I don't think it will have a mass opening weekend, but it's going to have long legs, and alot of people want to see this film, not surprisingly as i have said it's adults who want to see it, they have it in their minds that it's impossible to make a transformers film, and now there is one, it's one of those big movies that come only so few times, JLA is the next one. The interest is very very high but box office means nothing to me, i could care less, I cared whether it was good or not and enjoyable. I mean that's what i go to the movies for right? that for 2 hours I could be entertained, as entertained as i would playing real football, or watching a band i really like, i choose to spend those hours to have a good time and I did. and i will continue to do so. I dont go to critique it, it's not a job for me, I do it to go have a good time. And it delivered.
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Revenge of the sith best movie ever??? what? Transformers has alot more action than ROTS and not only that, but it's far better acted and it's alot tighter.
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I don't think so, alot of the concerns of people are valid, but i'm sure people didn't expect the other bits to be that good.
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the boy and his car stuff gets over pretty quickly, it does have a back to the future-esque pacing feel to it. do not see on dvd. The starscream flight battle needs to be seen on the big screen. Sequence of the year.
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Hiding the Cloverfield piece in the middle. I have promised myself that I will not read any Transformers reviews. That being said I have already spoiled the film for myself by reading the comic adaptation. Anyways I succeeded in not reading the reviews and will have to wait until the 27th because of stupid UK film release shite. Just a question though. Anyone remember a movie with people who got into giant robot exo-skeletons and battled in space, one was red and one was black. It's old and I need to know.
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two and a half hours with maybe 40 minutes of TFs does not equate to theater worthy I really don't want to sit through an hour fourty worth of crap for 40 minutes of wow at least not for ten bucks.
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You all know my views and how I feel now but maybe you want honest responses to some of your concerns the same ones I had. I got to see it first but I know how you all feel, don't forget my vulgarities.
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yeah
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It takes balls to admit that you may have been wrong. I have absolutely no respect, however, for the people that are still throwing their toys out of the pram and saying "They've sold out. I still won't see it because I'm teh hardcore." Dicks, in other words. It doesn't prove you've got integrity, it proves you're blinkered. Fine, don't go watch it. The rest of us will have a fucking blast while you're sat at home with your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears going "la la la la", kidding yourself on that you're proving a point to anyone who cares.
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...just like I said when I go see Transformers I want to see Transformers. And I'm not talking designs, I'm talking the over abundant focus on people rather than the TFs.
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...they're hardly in it, it's mostly these offshoot stories of random people, the hackers, sam, sector seven, the iraq soldiers, I mean what really is the ratio of time for me actually seeing the transformers versus being bored watching characters that I could give two shits about.
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You saying you would have prefered to see the original movie made live action? I think that would have been cool.
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...I don't count bumblebee as a car through most of it as he doesn't talk for the most part.
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staring Bob Hoskins as Del-Boy, George Clooney as Rodney and Richard Attenborough as Uncle Albert.
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I'm just saying, from what I got from the book, the TF's are in it maybe 40 minutes of a two and a half hour movie. To me that ratio needs to be switched 1:50 tf's 40 minutes humans. I don't really have too much of a problem with the designs save for Megatron and Starscream it's mostly that it seems to be all about the people, even during the fight scenes it's a little transformers then back to the people for the most part of it.
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My Room mate begged me to go with him last night, but I can't think of a single reason why I would want to sit still to watch this movie. At all. Not one. I was a fan of the original Transformers...when I was 8. He tried selling me on the one and only thing anyone has had anything positive to say about the film; Giant Robots Blow Shit Up. You know what? Watching Gigantic robots kung fu each other and blow up buildings would be pretty fuckin' spectacular, and I would line up to see it, in the same state of mind I sit down to watch cops. But it's not that is it? It's some computer cartoons thumping each other. Big whoop. I can watch Giant Cartoon Robots beat each other up at home for free, and enjoy/endure Stan Bush's awful theme song. I tried this arguement on my room mate, but he likes Neon Genesis Evangelion, so he's down with giant cartoons breaking things. I'd probally prefer something a little more eventful and less repetitive. Maybe something...Entertaining, you know?
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I wrote in my post that it's not so bad now, when the humans are on, the transformers are there or near. That ratio had changed alot. when the army stuff is on, blackout or skorponock is there, the government crap is real short if you could tolerate phantom menace as a whole then you will look past this since it's not really anything, everytime sam is there, bumblebee is virtually there. the times that there are no robots, are short minutes long. Trust me, it's changed. It isn't human centric like the script, sure it's not the animated movie but nowhere near as bad as the script suggests.
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...I'd love nothing more than to be proved wrong, but even the positive reviews talk about how bad the plot/story is and that the TF's have no character and are barely there. I mean the some of the stuff I read in the novel is cringe worthy bad writting. Like Anakin/Padme on a balcony bad.
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i'd say spiderman. that's the closest, you have to understand, noen of those movies barring spiderman and star wars had the same expectations, love and fanbase as transformers. not even godzilla, godzilla is classic and pop culture but not loved. transformers is a very big thing to people. I say the closest it has is to Spiderman because it's an event movie where you are excited and hoping it won't suck, but even with problems, there are other parts which are incredible and other things going for it which makes it a real good movie. <p> You can't compare Godzilla or the GINO aspect because Godzilla isn't as important to me as Transformers and to many other people. Even with the problems it was a great experience and I am taking my nephews to see it because I think they should, I strayed them away from FF2 and another has never been to a movie theatre and Transformers is worthy of being the first movie you ever see in a theatre. <p> there is one transformer who changes his alt mode to suit the situation. Obviously for story reasons but there is no need for any of them to be anything but what they are and just picking whatever was next to them. Optimus, Megatron, ratchet, jazz all pick the first cars they see. I mean seriously, let's not overanalyze this.
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i'd say the transformers are in it 50/50 or maybe more since both stories overlap for quite a time, you have to understand, that it's written that way in the script and novel because you can't write the length of action sequences. The action scenes are long and the transformers are in them all and interact. There are 3 scenes where they act like transformers, like real people, conversing, figuring things out etc.
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....really quality for a movie called Transformers.
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If I had a choice apart from Starscream having more lines, he should have done the same things in the movie but looked like this. Incredible. To all those saying the boxy designs wouldn't work. Eat this cunts! <p> http://www.buzznet.com/groups/stopsectorseven/video/12271761/
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One is definately quality and it feels like Transformers. Basically what i'm saying is you won't feel like you wasted your money or time. Seriously I still cannot get over Starscreams air battle.
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...really pisses me off, that looks insanely cool, but now we get monkey arms. This would have been a thousand times better in more respectful/capable hands. This should have just been a cg flick. And that video and the other stopsectorseven stuff proves it.
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he doesn't have time. that's as much as i can explain, barricade is always behind him.
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but only one is of any quality?
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that even without him pretty much being starscream, he does incredible stuff and he is incredible to watch, was as exciting as the first time I saw the battle of hoth but it's not as classic but still as exciting. He could have done the same things as in the movie but looked like that.
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the others aren't bad but that single one was the cartoon, comic book, all your childhood memories brought to life. It's not that long and some would see it as throwaway but the way they interact was Transformers. That's what I loved about the cartoon, that they were normal people who happened to be robots, it feels like that in this scene.
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...and it's pretty much a throw away scene. What are the other two, I would imagine one is the painfull hiding in the back yard scene?
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http://tinyurl.com/2r7wnf
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RE: Idiocracy, I enjoyed it, but did anyone find it ironic that one of the main actors came to prominence by appearing in Punk'd, Without a Paddle, Employee of the Month etc. I had something to say relating to the topic at hand, but I can't be bothered with all the retorts from whichever one of the rival TB fractions it would annoy. Let me just say, judging from recent comments, a certain someone seems to lack a certain amount of common sense, professionalism and sturdiness.
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so many reviews...those of you that know me know I spend my god forsaken life in the AICN talkbacks...<p>so read the reviews, and mine in particular, and ask me some questions...I'm here for you nerds...<p>I won't spoil the movie, but god damn, I will tell it like it is!
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Spiderman had the tighter story and was closer to it's source material(which is good, i mean just because you stick to source doesn't mean it's automatically good) so it is better. But the experience is pretty much like seeing Spiderman, not as good but that's all I can compare it too because it's not Batman Begins which is god, nor a piece of shit like Superman Returns(an expensive will and grace episode that was completely unmemorable). Much better than the star wars prequels. Revenge of the sith had some better parts but as a whole it isn't as good as Transformers, but ROTS had that magical score. <p> I don't think just 2 sequels but an evangelion movie and a Voltron movie will be fast tracked soon. No I am not satisfied with that, but it doesn't take away from the movie, it isn't however fucked up to the point where they can't correct this in the future(venom is fucked, good luck getting a good symbiote story or venom in the future), which is lucky but they really should have gone with it and this will be the biggest criticism it will face, when something bad story wise happens then it really shows. <p> If Frenzy looked better I would welcome him, because what he does in the film is cool but he doesn't look cool, he looks like shit. If he looked like more like the real Frenzy and said something to Shia when he has him "first we crack the shell, then we crack the nuts inside". Would have been god. Skorponock has a great scene but I'd prefer they bring in thundercracker and skywarp as starscream's muscle.
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"Eventually we find out that this Decepticon leader is responsible for much of the industrial and electronic revolutions in human history. Indeed, his discovery is supposed to be one of the greatest ones by Mankind. Is this silly? Of course it is. It’s completely ridiculous and seemingly pointless, but let’s move on."<p> Makes PERFECT SENSE! Towards the end when the Allspark is turning all the earth items alive, it is because all the items are based on reversed engineered Megatron technology that they are able to be brought to life by the Allspark. <p>
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know the space battle red on black robot film where the bots are controlled by people?
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I thought you were thinking of Robot Jox, cant think of anything live action.
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...this is all Michael Bay and the writers fault and Tom and Don were trying to do something more G-1?
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Yeah. O.K. Are teenage girls going to become obsessed with the movie? Cause that's the only way that's going to happen. Plus, Harry Potter the movie comes out a week later. The Simpsons, and The last Harry Potter book two weeks later. There's no way they can sustain an audience that long. Heck, I hated the prequels, and the Matrix sequels, but I still saw those multiple times. Not this one, though. I don't have time.
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Its big, stupid, dumb, idiotic but it was so much fun to watch. You will forget about it within days. Its the ultimate cotton candy movie. Looks great, taste nice but leves you unfulfilled and with a tooth ache :) 7/10
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going to bed now, been up and working for 42 hours...
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you legend. That is it. From the IMDB DVD cover looks live action. Will have to see if I can get a copy now.
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I don't think it will have as much an impact. It will be kids vs adults at the theatres. The box office will be split, but I don't see Potter dominating over Transformers. people in their 20's and 30's are going to be watching transformers over the 'new' harry potter.
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The lips were still a bad move. DUMB. Mind you, Bay. Yeah "I wanted to paint the house this color"...but its not a house! Its 8MM People's favorite character. Prime-wise. I'm two sheets and throwing in Last Crusade!
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Yes, I was dragged kicking and screaming to this film earlier this week. <p> Did I like it? Was my fear misplaced? Do I agree with Yackbacker as usual? Will I eat crow? Do you even care? <p> The answer to all of these questions is an emphatic NO! <p> I've been debating whether or not to write a review of this... film?... clusterf*ck? I'm not sure what you would call this other than a tremendously missed opportunity. <p> TINO, as this should officially be called, is for all intents and purposes this years US version of Godzilla. <p> I'm not going to go into it since I'm really getting sick of AICN and their bullshit, but for me everything I feared is there. Even with expectations that this film would be utter ASS, I still cringed when everything that could have been handled wrong was handled wrong. <p> I even knew going in that Bay and his team have done nothing but lie to fans about production choices because he and his team don't give two shits about the fans and that is so very evident in each moment of this series of explosions. <p> I just don't know what to say other than I'm glad it wasn't my money that was spent on this flaming turd and I'm even more happy that the press passes my friend was given were free so that he didn't have to waste his money on this pile either. <p> To put it simply there were times that this was so busy and so hard to watch that I personally gave up trying to figure out what the hell was happening in that last twenty minutes. <p> As he puts it, and will likely state in his review. What the fuck was that? 'Cuz it sure as shit wasn't the Transformers. <p> I could go on and give a more in depth review, but I honestly don't care. For me this was crap. I have another friend who wants me to go with him to see this, but I'm trying to figure out how to get out of it. <p> Unfortunately I don't know if I can and who knows, maybe I was just in a bad mood. Maybe the film is better upon a second viewing, but I really doubt it. <p> Moving on...
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But I predict Transformers will fizzle by the 2nd week, succumbing to the juggernaut that is Harry Fucking Potter, Die Hard (INO) and License To Wed. Sicko will gross more than Bayformers. Mark my words.
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If you divided your main characters into 20 million pieces, what the hell is the audience going to focus on? Bonecrusher, Ironhide, even Blackout look great. Prime looks good minus the frickin lips. Megatron looks like crap. There were about 10 cool shots. Everything else was a bit muddled.
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June 30, 2007, 4:33 a.m. CST
Looks like an entertaining film, as I always thought...
by JackPumpkinhead
...but probably not half as entertaining as Bay's post on his blog today! He trashes Don Murphy, attack a few other guys, and even pees on Bruce Willis for criticizing him in the AICN talkback! Hee, hee, hee...
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Sicko is really good, I mean really really good, but this film plays to the 'splode crowds... so I doubt Sicko will beat TINO.
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...till it's out then he'll start in on it. There's a little on there about one of the other producers trying to take some of their thunder, but I think he's waiting till it's out to really dish the shit. Too think he may have been coming over and pissing us off to try and get us to not see the movie. I'm intrigued.
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Besides, I wont kneel before Bay. VIVA LA RESISTANCE
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Harry Potter is for EVERYONE from ages 5 to 95. Transformers can't hold a candle to Harry. Harry will kill Bayformers at the box office.
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...that in anyway that this is a quality film with only one good scene of transformers as characters and when the action happens you can't tell what the fuck is going on and the majority of the time it's focused on the human's with the robots fighting in the background.
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Heh yeah that's the one. Hmm maybe not as good as I remember, must have been young when I watched it.
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It's fun for a Full Moon film.
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isn't that out of character for him. on episode 14 of the first g1 series he says "lay it on me man."
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If this movie is successful you know there will be a sequel. It's not set in stone that Bay will direct again. Also, after all the controversy you know somebody's gonna make some changes character wise, and maybe even some designs will change. It's not too late to see a film that's closer to G1. Chill, let the movie make some big bucks and you might get what you want.
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will look and say 'transformers?' or 'harry potter' Transformers will hold its own.
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...would rather see something that isn't just good for twenty-thirty minutes of CGI and actually has a well written story too it.
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...has a stronger more recent fan base among both kids and adults, and has a solid track record for quality movies that hold your attention for two and a half hours. Alot more people willing to risk cash on a more sure bet.
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...which is great for you, some of us like a little depth and character.
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when Star Wars took a blow to Spiderman. Harry potter will suffer the same blow to Transformers. It's not just that moviegoers are going to go to harry potter or transformers, its that alot of people are going out just for transformers. And they are in their 20's and 30's and have the cash.
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Transformers isn't as shallow as you're lead to believe, that's pretty much all I can say. It isn't leave your brain at the door fun like independance day was.
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...big opening with a quick drop off.
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But this movie definately has legs and multiple viewings.
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...there would have to be some stellar performances and direction to polish the turds I read in the book. I mean "you a-holes are in tu-ru-bul" come on that's just fucking bad.
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big difference between the novelization of a predominantly visual movie and the movie itself.
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If Superman Returns cost that much because of sets and whatnot then Transformers should cost 1 billion.
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Bunch of jaded, bitchy douchebags. I'd be surprised if you can find joy or wonder in any part of the miserable daily routine of your lives.
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This film was frustrating as hell. Yeh, the plot was non-existent. And the military shit and invasion rhetoric was pointless.
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Godzilla is nowhere near as popular as Transformers, plus GINO or not it was not a good movie, Transformers TINO or not, is a good movie.
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I wont be able to go see the movie when it primieres i have to wait till next weekend, fuk!
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http://tinyurl.com/2gpl82
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affirmation can be a bitch, can't it?
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How can you be in your twenties/thirties and say shit like " flames on Optimus are unnecessary? what kind of total loser fanboy with absolutely nothing to do must one be to write a review like that? "I've toned down on the vulgarities so the review can get posted" man you're one badass mothrfucker
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... it also remains fake. Very, very fake.
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...awesome. one of my tome 5 movies ever. I grew up on G1. Im not just saying that. Im 30...I grew up on them...and it was perfect.
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With a film of this magnitude, everything is storyboarded and pretty much set in stone before a foot of film is pulled through a camera. If I ran Dreamworks, and I had my name on the film as an Exec Prod, and I had some experience in putting together big budget action films that "worked," I might be inclined to exert a little influence. I think Bay does what he does very well (which is not the same thing as saying he makes great movies, but he sure puts together big action well), but since I've seen "The Island," I might pull rank and make some strong suggestions. Plus, if I am this particular fella, I might also find some fun in playing with big robots. I am a kid at heart.
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I have been a T'Formers fangirl for sometime now. I am overall I was extremely pleased with the movie - it was fantastic~~! Although I was a little disappointed with the lack of involvment with the other T'Formers...we saw LOTS of Bee, Optimus, Megs and Frenzy....but what about the others?
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Y'all should take to heart that the Director is not always GOD. In the history of the film biz, the Producer is God. Directors like Bay can help a producer like Spielberg get the heavy lifting done, but just like Mayer and the Warner boys and Goldwyn, Spielberg is a Producer in the classic sense. Same goes for Lucas. Anyone who slags Lucas without recognizing his monumental stature as a producer doesn't understand the movie business.
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I'm lamenting the alien possession of Yackbacker and Messi. They were cold warriors, but succumbed. This feels like the final battle scene of Braveheart, when William Wallace signaled those guys to attack, and they looked at him and turned away. That's how this feels.
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That is all.
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Hehe can I use that?
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June 30, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST
I'm no fan of Don Murphy but it's pretty low of Bay
by BringingSexyBack
to attack him when he's been defending Bay like a rabid vampire all along. Looks like there's a lot of bad blood in their camp.
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oh well cant be far to the real thing
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that works ONLY in regards to the sound. visually, the way that Jurassic Park blended CG with actual effects, and gave us long, beautiful shots...that ain't hapening in Transformers...the sheer beauty that Jurassic Park used CG to convey, that ain't here either. it's just a huge ADD mess of crashing pixels.<p>but it sounded great...
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crazy shit on AICN
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remember kids, yahoo.com/timefilm -- I just saw it again by the way. Guess that means I liked it after all. But damn does my head hurt
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And is it as cool as it sounded?
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for our kids to have their childhood favorites turned into major summer blockbusters. I can see it now. Dora the Explorer: the movie. "WHERE'S MY MOTHERFUCKING BACKPACK!"
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You know damn well they'll be a fan edit, incoporating music from the show and probably the emblem flips as well.
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Should I take my wife? Will she be bored to tears or wondering my she married a geek
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Starring Tim Curry. Damn you, Michael Bay.
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but the actual motive used for the Autobots team is beautiful. and the deep choral for the first decepticon was chilling
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Dora would never ever say "motherfucking." She's more likely to scream, "Chupas las nalgas de monos grandes." Idiot!
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My bad (couldn't resist)
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I also noticed the star trek V'ger sound instrument effect as well. but I thought that was cool.
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This is painful. Must buy tickets now. Take the week off work and schedule multiple viewings on the largest loudest screen I can find.
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Really.
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I wanted to add Harry that is a cool corner animation. I was talking to a buddy and we both agreed it would be cool to see a decepticon fool someone into sitting inside them and then transform and squash them. Optimus would never really squish you, but it is cool that we think alike.
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Adios!
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Dora also says, "Chupe mantequilla de mi culo." Adios!
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Kudos to you guys for actually SEEING the movie and taking the time to write thoughtful reviews (pros, cons, & everything inbetween).<P>These TRANSFORMERS TBs have been amongst the most contentious ever seen on AICN. Considering how the lines were drawn on this one, your reactions to the film are unexpected and a tad ironic. I find the idea that you guys are somehow "turncoats" or "plants" to be a bit silly...especially when you consider the fact that you are here, defending your thoughts and opinions.<P>I probably won't be able to see the film until Monday or Tuesday. I hope to find it worthwhile and entertaining. Until then...cheers!
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hey fuckspoon, if you ever read my posts you'd know what i'm talking about cunt. Ask other people. And what's wrong with thinking the flames shouldn't be there, i've seen the film and it's just Bay indulging in excess amounts of ego.
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i'm not plant fuckface.
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It's not batman begins, i don't see where anyone mentioned this, I mentioned that it's not batman begins in terms of comparison in being a good movie and being batman, i said in comparison it would be like a much better batman 89 but not like batman begins. Also Spielberg's influence is felt.
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Lucas is a great visionary, great producer, great businessman, terrible director.
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A "condescending attitude" was never my intent. (Although when it comes to this film, I could probably say the same about a dozen other Talkbackers.) However, when faced with vastly overwhelming, pre-judged hate, sometimes you've got to be a gamblin' man.
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looks like we caused quite a storm on here. I also agree that there are shades of the cartoon and more of that would of made it even better and that scene where they discuss whether to rescue Bumblebee was Transformers. More of that please. I also think this is beyond Jurassic Park, because really, they are just random dinosaurs, these are robots that are characters, ones you grew up with that have personalities that you know, that sets it aside from Jurassic Park.
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this isn't armageddon. Armageddon sucked, this doesn't.
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I feel your pain man. I know you have been in here for a long time when we've talked about transformers, I thought you gave an honest opinion of your feelings about it. Thanks for not BSing us
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He is one of the most influential people in the history of film production and technologies. I still don't know he he managed "Graffiti" but better still, can you imagine what would have happened if he'd been the one to direct "Apocalypse Now!?" Coppola "stole" it from him. Phew. We came out the winners, because we got "Star Wars" and Coppola's "Apocalypse." (Just don't bother the Redux of Now...it is bloated and terrible.) Okay, I have to get off this machine. I must go outside. Cheers everyone. Or, as Dora would say, "Tu puta madre me la chupa."
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like bendersshinyass says the Autobot Motif was amazing, the one that's similar to Batman Begins Vespertillio. At the start with Prime talking, it makes it sound so important and like you're watching something special. And when Prime makes his entrance with that music, yeah pretty magical.
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that's the bad part where it emulates bad hans zimmer not even good hans zimmer, generally whenever the military was shown, but like I said the batman begins esque motif is great.
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well i have to btoher with it since i've owned the DVD for about 2 years now I think. Brando for Grimlock!!! As Dora would say "HALA MADRID!".
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just wrong.
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I'm tired.
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...I had an audiance of guys all howling at the engine to bumblebee... yes, i too was busy thinking sinful thoughts of that belly
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we were talking about Lucas.
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or else my thoughts would land me in the phantom zone.
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Youtube it. what the hell was that? no one is that good looking.
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I was merely pointing out it isn't like Armageddon and you can't hold it against him whilst watching this movie because it's different.
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pic, pic, pic. http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/06/29/shia-labeouf-pompadour/
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for Alias and MI:3, but January? Really? January is where lousy "cool" movies go to die.
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I really really hope that he decides against doing The Dark Tower. I don't think it should ever be made into a film. Or a miniseries. It will lose so much of what makes it amazing when transferred to the screen. But I am SO excited for The Mist which I think will be the best film this year
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true story, i sent it to Speilberg. It was about the natural world suddenly starting to come fully to life and killing the human race, and it ended with a shot in space of a ship flying by the earth. The earth would open up like a giant mouth and swallow the ship. And now I come to find out it's pretty much the same premise for the new M. Night movie. Damn You M. Night!
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I can believe it cause I've done it too. Movie sounds pretty cool. Just checked it out on IMDB. Did they find any evidence? Werner seems like a cool guy. I loved Grizzly Man and liked him in Julien Donkey Boy, and I'm pretty excited for Rescue Dawn
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Now use it, and strike down Michael Bay with your posts. Then you can take your place at my side.
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You know, I wish I had the experience for this film that you had. I wish I could have said, holy shit I was wrong this actually worked, but as I said it just didn't. <p>
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Is the CLOVERFIELD trailer online yet?
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He should be in every movie. I want a Pixar movie. Finding Goldblum.
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June 30, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST
LOL!! "Transformers is Better Then Sex" Classic!
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
http://tinyurl.com/ypyryj <BR> <BR> That's one of the best lines I've ever read for a review for a movie.
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Shia's head looks like a hairy vagina I'd like to bone.
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Well looky here. Even the haters are "converting" apparently. The movie is probably not gonna be Casino Royale, or Batman Begins, but it seems to be throughly enjoyable, and the best time anyone will have with an action movie this year. Can't wait. In the meantime, go se RATATOUILLE!!! One of the best times I'ved had at the movies this year. I saw last night. Great animated movie.
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Shut the fuck up already. You're lame and every word you post is a painful reminder of how lame you are. Again, shut the fuck up.
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Lick me good.
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I thought you were a ghoul
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http://tinyurl.com/yq3ugu <P> For those interested.
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Wow, fellas... I AM suprised!<p> I still haven't seen this yet, but after your reviews and the majority of good reviews above, I am even more excited!<p> I kind of knew that Yack would be at LEAST a little bit level-headed going into the film, but I was expecting venom from Messi! Way to prove me wrong, and good on you for being men enough to be truthful.<p> Would now be the time to admit to Memories of Murder that i AM Michale Bay?!
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Seriously, it won't be.
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http://tinyurl.com/2hnlaj Anyone know if this is Transformers movie hype? It kinda reminds me of the kind of thing the Transformers would send out to scout Earth for it's tech. Check out the markings on the wings.
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LOST's "I'm sick...oflying!!!" Holy shit it's off the top ten! See ya! http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32774
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when I saw footage of the premiere on G4 when Michael Bay referenced websites (gee, I wonder which one) that complained that "Michael Bay raped my childhood" and "Damn you Michael Bay"...MCMXVI..whatever..your work is done.
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and where are the haters? oh... there is none now. mehhh
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I am genuinely glad you enjoyed it as well, and have made your peace with it - I know what it's like to be disappointed (SW PT).<p> This isn't an 'I told you so', but do you see why I said I don't like to read scripts before I see a film?<p> I wonder what Superninja will make of all this?
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Ive heard mostly great things from the people whove seen it on my end. Well now at least when we argue about the movie...we have at least seen it..
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was handled right..Think of it this way people like this one...the next one will be 10 times better...or at least 3 times...
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thats cool..This film could have gone either way..I'm just glad that more will be made now and maybe they can get into more of the robots stories now that they have been introduced...in the end were just all fans.... I just cant wait to see this mofo.
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Just wanted to say that. Seems appropriate when it comes to this movie.
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Good God, man, this is the reason nerds get beat up all the time. For crying out loud, how about watching it twice and then go read a book, go outside, kiss a girl, etc. It amazes me the amount of fucking time you people waste on repeat viewings. When do you have time to live?
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Mmmmmmmmm.... titties!
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fell asleep 20 mins into it
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doesn't mean we abandon all hope for logic, pacing, plot, characterization, etc.<p>I think most of the people that are digging this movie, really have low expectations for that kind of thing. why the hell did they even have so many little supporting characters if they were going to disappear for the last 3rd of the film. there was NO END to any of their arcs. None.<p>and having the big fight all in one intersection, more or less...did we not LEARN from Godzilla? and how many ways can you rip off the final fight scene with Neo and Agent Smith in the Matrix?<p>yes, megan fox is hot. yes, the robots fight. but it's too fast, and the robots are WAY too complicated looking, and you can't SEE SHIT during the fights. the camera is panning wildly, the robots are flying all over the fucking place, it's a mess. it's Micheal Bay.<p>more power to you if you like this shit, but if you have seen other Bay movies, and think their piles of turd, I can't see how you won't feel the same about this one. if it's brown and stinky and steaming, it's a pile of shit. bog robots fighting does not a quality film make.
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He didn't drink the kool-aid and neither did I. The worst movie I have ever seen.
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The makers of this movie just want your MONEY. They could not care less about your feelings (or you) as long as they get your cash. Especially, apparently, Don Murphy. He's stated openly he wants TRANSFORMER sequels. Why? Because he wants MORE MONEY. (See his Transformer Con 2006 interview.) He puts on a fan friendly face to tout his comic and toy movies-- then willfully cedes control just to make the MONEY. Then he cries foul, whining all the way to the bank that Hollywood didn't get his vision. He knows this whining will most likely up his "cool" factor with the fanboys (even if all his movies turn out to be shit) because who doesn't love an underdog? (Especially us nerds, right?) Quick question, seen or liked "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" lately? Ever compared that bomb to it's original comic book source? How about "From Hell"? Ever read that only to painfully discover how much the movie version sucked? That's what you're walking into here, that's the TINO you're supporting here. Fans, Transformers will be out on DVD way before Christmas. Save your cash and your dignity now, prove you're not mindless sheep and rent the damn thing in November and STOP putting money in the pockets of filmmakers who say they LOVE you when all they really want to do is FUCK you! If these jerks put as much effort into their dream projects as they have in manipulating these AICN Talkbacks-- you would actually have a shot at seeing a movie that you, as a fan, would be proud of. Seriously, if you keep supporting disingenuous fuckers like these guys-- then Hollywood's going to keep letting them make crap movies like Transformers. Me? I'd rather see NO Transformer movie than see a shit one.
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I meant big robots, but I think now I have a title from my next screenplay...<p>BOG ROBOTS!!
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It was a poorly written, acted, shot, and, of course, directed piece of shit. This movie is like the aftermath of a car accident...people are mesmerized by the lights, bells and whistles and forget that it's actually a horriblely devastating mess.
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It was a poorly written, acted, shot, and, of course, directed piece of shit. This movie is like the aftermath of a car accident...people are mesmerized by the lights, bells and whistles and forget that it's actually a horriblely devastating mess.
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At least I won't PAY to see the film in theaters. Well it's simple really. I don't want to be part of this films success, in any way, shape, or form. And no I'm not under some delusion that me not seeing it makes any sort of difference, it's going to be huge anyway, but just for my own peace of mind. So I can sleep at night if you will. If you think "well he's determined to hate it anyway" I would say thats a fair enough thing to say given my wrath these last months. But the positive reaction to it doesn't surprise me a lick, I see the same bullshit happen around here all the time nowadays and I find its wrong at least 99% of the time. I remember the positive reviews almost unanimously of Sta Wars Episode 3 pre-release and saying to myself, as a hardcore star wars fan "I'll be an apologist this once, just let it be no worse than the other two" what preceded before my eyes is one of the worst films of all time and easily the worst of the prequel trilogy, if for no other reason than the film completely fucking ruins every single moment that we had been waiting our whole lives to see. Not to mention directly contradicting some of the things set up in the original trilogy. That film still has its supporters and it blows my mind how anyone could be so unfathomably stupid as to actually justify the crimes it commits. So go and enjoy Transformers, you can count me right the fuck out. Now that I'm living in LA it's time to put my money where my mouth is in my attempts to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. I've learned a hard lesson in trusting no one but myself when it comes to the dreaded "summer popcorn action flick" *cringe*, and in an age where apologizing and letting your mind go is practically a fucking art form I think that's the best policy. Not to mention seeing a film that I most likely won't be able to stomach with hundreds of people screaming in support of it while I claw my hands into the armrest in disgust. I still haven't gotten over that feeling from X3. I'm also sick of those dickheads yelling "Whine all you want I'll be next to you in line opening night bitch!!!". Well no, no actually you won't...bitch.
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Bog Robots in name only
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...and if you don't come, they have no reason to keep building this shit! Don't be a lemming! No one who reviewed it actually spent they're hard earned dollars to see it, and now they telling you to PAY to see it. I saw it for free and I'm livid.
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Goo Goo Dolls...come on! And what deaf monkey mixed the Pumpkins new tune...it sounds like Billy is singing kareoke in my living room!
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I liked your review, but I'm no super geek so I didn't know what the fuck you were talking about half the time.
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Here in the Westwood section of LA. No I didn't see the film. All the stars were there though, along with the usual rogues gallery of douche bags and starfuckers. And if you are all wondering if Megan Fox is as hot in real life as she is on film I'm sorry but have no idea. At this point she literally looks like every other exotic looking starlett on "the scene" so I couldn't tell her from Adam, although I'm told she was there. Rachel Taylor on the other hand is astonishingly gorgeous in person. Labeouf stayed for all of 20 minutes before disappearing. The highlight of the evening came later when I looked over and saw Michael Bay himself, flounced by aformentioned starfuckers, complete with pinstripe suit and smug grin. I have nothing to say to the guy but I just had to look the man in the eye who I have in part been blaming (among many others) for the complete shit state cinema is in nowadays. A more brave individual would have told him, amid all the compliments, what a complete hack he is, but that wouldn't have really done me any good. I just thought it was kind of funny that, out of all the supporters on this site, the guy who got to be there was one of the most vocal critics.
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I was at the lot premiere, but not the after party. trust me, you got the better end of the deal.<p>if you had seen the film, you might have been unable to resist going up to Bay and telling him he was ruining cinema, lol.
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...so we can give them more reason to make this shit.
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I would say you should write your review considering we need more voices like yours to fight the good fight, but it really doesn't matter at this point. Like a plague of locusts you just have to let hysteria of this variety take it's course and hope and pray that on the other side justifying this garbage won't have further made the industry worse, although it almost invariably will.
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...so I can read everyone suck the second worst director ever's cock. I'm gonna see Ratner soon and, pinstripe starfucker suit or not, I'm going to get my goddamn money back for X3!
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June 30, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST
I'd like to make an open call for Superninjas review
by IndustryKiller!
Whether he likes or dislikes it I'm interested in hearing what he has to say. SO far point for point we have been taking the apologists on in almost perfect unison in our points of view. The only thing so far we have disagreed on is I can't stand the way Bay directs action and he gives him a bit more credit.
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And it made me think of Michael Bay.
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I, erm, did write a review. it's #392 above... ;o)
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Damn good movie! Ooops. I just remembered a scene from Pearl Harbor. Damn! Got to run to the bathroom.
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I think Superninja is a "She". Just thought I'd mention that.
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Sorry man I didn't see your review, I stopped after about three. But good job and all that. Whatever Superninja is; he, she, it, I would like to see a review.
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Well done Yack and Messi for having the balls to come on here and actually admit to enjoying something that only last week you were adamant you'd hate; or more than likely hate.<br><br>Big pat on the back for you lads, that took balls. Big balls. Not balls like Memories of Murder or BSB type on here daily but MAN BALLS; like facing a nazi firing squad because, let's fact it, after the months you've spent ragging on this flick you had to know some of the more zealous apologists, lovers, (pick a description), would give you shit. Kudos again.<br><br>For what it's worth Yack, i think you pretty much desribed, word for word, what I always expected to get out of this movie. Faithful G1 adaption? I never had any misconceptions but I felt that with at least Spielberg in there somewhere it'd be damned entertaining.<Br><br>I can't keep saying this enough but bravo fellas...bravo.
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thinking of buying a ticket to the 9 oclock show so I can the last hour again right away - good idea? and anyone who can't wait until the 3rd should come on up to Vancouver and see it the 2nd...
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I'm just saying...
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And huh, not bad. It looks like the character might not be the annoying candy ass. I think SHia is a bit gawky looking for the full out 50's James Dean gear he's got on but I suppose it's more in the portrayal than the look. The first glimmer of hope I've had that t he son may be an actual foil for Indy rather than a damsel in distress.
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http://martiansattackingindianapolis.blogspot.com/2007/06/less-than-meets-eye.html
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http://usefuckingtinyurlespeciallyifyoursitehasalongasspretentiousnamethat'sgoingtohave50spacesinitbythetimeAICNisdonewithitandeverysingleoneofthemIhavetofixinmybrowserwhichisannoying.com
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Thanks for the review.
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Messi "I don't see how the original designs wouldn't have worked." You must be some kind of STUPID to think this. Stop huffing paint thinner. "Here's some little fanboy things. Jazz does a semi breakdance when he transforms." I'm a "fanboy" and Jass breakdancing isn't what I wanted to see. And a glimpse of the Matrix is hardly "fanboy joy." You're dumb as a brick Messi. i'd love to say you've got shit for brains, but that would be an insult to shit everywhere.
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we've been waiting for you!
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Looks like I may be eating crow as well. :)
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"It is supposed to be cheesy and fun and exciting." Yes, but is it supposed to be stupid? "How can I possibly put into words what I saw and felt?" Easy; you open your dumbass mouth, and let stupid words fall out, like you've been doing the last forty minutes you moron. " I am still struggling. I know that sounds ridiculous. I know it sounds absurd." Considering the source, it actually sounds rather appropriate. " You may be thinking, “Dude, it’s just a movie!” Actually I was think it' a piece of shit, but to the braindead it is a movie. Back to the littel rubber room Yak, you've been out long enough. Oh, and be sure to send Bay back all the free swag he gave you to pimp his movie. Only a retard-fuckhead is speechless at the end of a Bay flick. Hell these people only have 3 brain cells to begin with.
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touch on the main problems with this film, so I guess we'll all find out real soon.
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how ridiculous the plot is. And I don't care if it's a TF movie or an animated movie, or any movie, there really is no reason for that. Militaristic robots who can disguse themselves remain untransformed in a suburban neighborhood? Come on. I'm sure the action is spectacular, though.
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If was wrong about TINO then I humbly apologize but I will say the following Micheal bay is still a ass, as is Murphy I most likey will see this movie (wont be paying the waitress is still playing) But the only reviews I read was Messi's and Yacks I Could believe Yack had a review for a second I thought I would see Superninja's Review If she gives this a positive review I think the Heavens may tear asunder. Ther are few things that frighten me now These Bay bashing TB's are now over, and messi will no longer make his famous TINO post. No more Pussy on Optimus jokes, NO more Flames on Optimus Jokes. Hey Yack did you see it with Ricky H. and did run down the row drunk and naked. Damn it Bay you F up we were supposed to hate this shit. You've ruined our hate filled community with your Transformers movie. Now I must go to Siebertron.com and finally start participating in the Transformer movie Circle jerk. I didn't read all the TB's YET but let me just say in advance (FUCK YOU VERY MUCH YOU PRICK BASTARD) To AINITSHOT aka Phartegodd aka Phartegoddprime aka ScottstillbornP.Goddprime aka IRSblahblahblah, cause Don Murphy is still a asshat as is anyone who claims to be his *stooge. <p> *unless youo Iggy Pop.
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sorry I didn't proof read but this is a historic occassion "The end of a era"
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forgive me brain i have to watch this film. So wathever happen next it will be all my fault not yours. Don't take your kids to the theaters! If you do, They will want to be like michael bay or worst Shia!!!!!!!!
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"Oh my God here comes the Pheonix" (we also didn't but I was excited)
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hell I wish I hadn't seen this one...
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I have to read your all the way through.
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*********SPOILER***********Megatron's gone! Even though I thought He was Barricade for most of this torture porn.
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*******SPOILER**********A drama depicting the heroic struggle of Jazz to learn to rise up from his gigantic robot wheelchair and breakdance again.
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ASS, but amusing ass. Seriously, it looks like the kind of movie you feel guilty for enjoying. I NEED A CREDIT CARD!!!!!!!!!
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I'm sorry I missed that.
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fuck uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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PartyPooer hit the nail on the fucking head and drove it through the floor. Two weeks from now, when the immature and brainless GayBay Fannoys stop masturbating over the film's debut they'll all be agreeing with PartyPooer for telling the damned truth. amazing these idiots are calling this movie "great!" What's so great about it? It sure as hell ain't the story, since even the BayFanboys have admitted there isn't one. Maybe it the acting. Oh, I forgot, the acting isn't great but FUCK are those jokes "funny!" Is this supposed to be a comedy or a sci-fi adventure? It's a Bay flick so all it really is is a pile of shit. Thank you PartyPooper for saying what's wrong with this film, and doing it with so much skill that hopefully one or two GayBayFanboys will see the light.
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"If you're a fan of the show, you'll appreciate this quite a bit - Bay and the sound f/x guys really honor the original." And you honor the original by making a movie that has nothing in common with it? What a fucking genius.
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I love how all of you guys who have put this movie down and cursed a bajillion times about it try to prove that the positive reviews mean nothing. There were more positive than negative posted but you seem to ignore them. People ARE and WILL enjoy this movie and there's nothing you can do about it. It's a movie, it's made, and it will talked about for years to come. Now stop whining and go home to mommy. THIS MOVIE WILL KICK YOUR ASS.
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SOmething about someone saying Megaron is responsible for all the current day technology, WHAT THE FUCK? MAJOR FUCKIN' PLOT HOLE!!! Can anyone confirm that line made it into the film? How fuckin' stupid is that? <p> I believe the script goes on to say something like "So this guy is responsible for my toaster?", UGH
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Have you actually seen the movie? Somehow I think not. Go back to The Movie Blog, moron.
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I must know!
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Michael Bay said he was a cunt because he didn't want to take a pay cut to make the film in the States.
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And that movie is Harry Potter. Watched those clips on movies.com too. Damn they look impressive. Most impressive.
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Seeing as how we still agree that Don Murphy is a dick and should not get dollar one How about we order those "ganymede 2010 was right" shirts and take pictures of ourselve at the theaters with out Waitress tickets?
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The early reviews in the UK press say the new HP movie is pretty mediocre. Infact, the last review i read, in The Times, it said the movie was OK but not great.
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thats not very christian like LOL.
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is god among men. Damn. I wish I had thought of that. How Bout FuckBrettRatner? Or FuckEliRoth? Or, and this will divide many of you, FuckGeorgeLucas! Oh, yeah. I went there.
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It's a good word. Very good. Infact i can't think of a single swear word that's as much pleasure to say.
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Sounds like there will some serious shit going down before a sequel gets planned. ORRRRRRRRRR this could be a tactic to throw every little Phategod that was verbally assaulted or otherwise By Mr. Murphy and his sycophants, into some type false sense of thinking that this movie was made in spite of Don's Interference, and is not to be affiliated with him.
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I think ever gamer worth there salt would have had FuckUweBoll
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special effects. Yack, messi, do you guys want to see it again already?
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Tranformers has lots of posititve reviews from Unknown critics, but what about the cream of the crop? Do you think real critics are going to give it a postive review? I'd say it'll probably split the majority giving it a 50% or less. Just look at the reviews above. Christ, there all over the place. I hate it! I love it! I'm kinda in between!
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Even if I do end up liking this movie.
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Since I've read at least 5 of them in various UK publications and, if you want to talk about serious intelligen criticism, The Times and The Guardian are a dead cert for that kind of review. All i'm saying is, for all the tease and titillation of the trailers the concencus so far, from people who've seen it, say it's merely 'ok'.<br><br>I'm not fussed either way since the HP films don't float my boat; how anyone can criticise the acting in ANY movie and then sit through Daniel Radcliffe and that awful acting is beyond me. Anyhoo.
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Do you feel a little left out I mean messi, Yack, nonsensical. other then BSB we are the only two OG members of the Haterbrigade that havn't seen this movie.
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It's critic proof, much like Spidey 3. I haven't gone and watched Spidey 3 yet. Know why? Cause if everyone says it's shit, then why would I pay to go see it? I don't need to see shit firsthand. I'll take your guys word for it. Same for Transformers. If lots of people say it good, then I'll go watch it. Harry Potter is a different matter, cause I've read all the books, and know that it's good.
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http://deathtothepopcornflick.wordpress.com/
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I hope he counter sues but what the hell do they the kid to do time. I saw 95% of FF 2 and it wasn't that great They BS for 85% just like the last movie. the best part of the movie was Andre brauer *sp
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Rothman you asshole! I blame you for Grammar attack # 435,257.
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Say to Ford "Yeah this nice, but this is nothing compared to Transf.....(Gunshot).... can someone call that "I'm a mac" kid.
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http://tinyurl.com/yqxstm
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you just made my Dick shrink.
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While the film has it's problems, I pretty much met my expectations. I liked the movie Great action, scratch that, kickass action, some funny moments, great look and feel, and Shia was great. I am pissed, though, that the Decepticons are hardly in it. Hell Frenzy get's more screentime than the others.
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MILD SPOILERS (no one worse than in the reviews above): These are the things I've learned (in no particular order): *shia lebuef will not ruin indy4 *michael bay drinks motor oil and shits popcorn *john torturro is fucking awful (he makes jar jar look like brando) *there is probably no way to do product placement more blatant (oh yeah, i forgot the island) *starscream is criminally underused *the decepticons deserve more character development, and are difficult to tell apart *the fight between megatron and optimus is dissapointing and short *i miss the old jazz *lips on optimus looks lame (mouthshield can't convey emotion? bullshit. R2D2 doesn't even have a face) *there are too many humans in this movie *michael bay's idea of a romantic scene is boy and girl making out on hood of car while autobots are creepily watching *the female actors in this movie are as interesting as navel lint *none of the above matters because this movie has FUCKING GIGANTIC TRANSFORMING FLAWLESSLY CGI'D MONSTER ROBOTS FROM OUTER SPACE FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!! In other words: terrific movie. Can't wait for the sequel. Guess my short review wasn't as short after all.
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Both sides lose the argument when they seem to be posting on crack. Fuck you Messi.ROTS may not be the best movie ever, but name ONE flaw with the FX. Weta is NOT better than ILM.
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This will fix it:<p> http://tinyurl.com/ysezfu
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It will probably start a trend, especially for tentpoles like TF. Think of it...the film's likely to gaiun steam over the week as people dip in on the Fourth, and by the time the weekend is over, the take from the box office could be $150 million. I think in the first week the film is probably word-of-mouth proof anyway. It's following the weekend, when everyone's back at work, that negative word-of-mouth can will a flick. Based on the reaction from the Legendary Doubters, I really doubt this film will suffer from bad word-of-mouth. I am willing to0 bet that this film makes a Bay into a Golden Boy. That might be something to fear...or perhaps, just perhaps, the man is finally learning his craft. being under the wing of Spielberg can have that effect on a person.
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Unforgivable. I've got a headache and my vision's a bit blurry. (I know...excuses...)
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bay is not getting better. the world is getting dumber.<p>it still makes me cringe whenever standards are lowered. after the first 20 minutes, Spielberg's presence was nowhere to be found. the movie had gaping plot holes, zero character development, cliches, ethnic stereotypes, horrible obvious product placement, illogical plot points, bad acting, bad writing, and the special effects that are supposedly so great speed back and forth all over the screen so quickly you can barely see them. add in the laughably bad dialogue form the Transformers which, although sounding goofily appropriate in the original series, sounds ridiculous coming from such complex looking creations in this film.<p>trust me, it's horrible. people are forgiving, because it's Transformers, and there are big robots fighting. well, great. but it would have been possible to actually make this a decent film as well. as it is, it's a terrible one. Pearl Harbor was better. don't drink the Kool-Aid. Micheal Bay is to cinema what Intelligent Design is to science...a hard slap in the fucking face, followed by a wink.
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This really sounds like an unbelievably fun movie. There's nothing more I can ask about a Transformers movie than it simply just being really fucking fun, because that is what Transformers was to me when I was a kid.<br> <br> I've come to accept that there are people who will simply not agree with what has been produced, who regard Transformers as being more than just fucking fun, but fuck, I really wish more people were into this "enjoyer" camp. It sounds like it really makes you feel like you were 10 again, why would you not want to experience that again? If it succeeds on that level, then this will be a fantastic movie experience indeed. <br> <br> Fucking Transformers. Awesome.
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thanks, guys, for proving that a movie doesn't have to be lotr to be fun. we seem to be spoiled by 'good' popcorn movies like the 1st 2 spideys, the 1st matrix and all 3 lotr flicks. i still have little desire to see this (maybe at a 2nd run joint), but it's nice to know that filler material can be fun, too. all you other haters, leave these two alone; they among us are the only ones brave enough to be honest.
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FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = NIPPLES ON HD-DVD, AND HERE'S WHY
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"..a hard slap in the fucking face, followed by a wink."</p> <p>I'm just supposing, that's all. Don't worry. I'll be seeing the film within a week of it's release, and I will express my feelings then. Sorry it was such a bad experience for you. Go see "Once" as an antidote. It's a lovely little film with good music. It's the Anti-Bay.
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You should make yourself right at home my friend.
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wonka, thanks for your honesty as well; your review could have spewed the hater party line, but your reasons were well articulated. i would have been worried if the word went all one way or the other, but having the buzz be scattered all over at least makes me feel a bit better about not being an all-out pro (or con) blitz.
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You really are one articulate fella. I mean I don't know how to argue points as well made as that. So I won't. In fact you've convinced me. Michael Bay RAWKS!! WOO!! Hey maybe Mark Steven Johnson or Len Wiseman can do those KICK. FUCKING. ASS. sequels!! Huh? HUH???!!! RATNER 4 LIFE! Oh it's wonderful not being a "pussy" anymore. Pass me some nachos Bananna. Man you spell it with TWO N's!! Rad.
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What exactly is the "hater party line"? If it's anything less than well supported points using examples from the shooting script and completely valid explanations as to why the cartoon was more than simply giant robots fighting then methinks you either haven't been paying attention or have been hearing what you want.
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cloverfield is a smokescreen- mark my words. this is some sort of large-scale viral marketing. yes, yes, jj, we know you're still here....
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Thank goodness I finally know the truth. One question: who is it I'm a plant for? Just so I know where to show up for work on Monday. Thanks!
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Have you seen any of Michael Bay's films? The hate is completely justified! Oh, and Nigga please!
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before they where ever said <p> 1. Pwned <P>2. Owned <p>3. Noob <p> I'm used to white people taking black slang and running it into the ground Hell am I hater of weak cenima "popcorn movies"? Hell yes. I prefer actual Substance which according to Yack and messi this has, and don't worry BMWB I'll see this but I'm not paying.
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I bet Michael Bay did some "Couch" casting with Megan Fox, and all the others that tried out for that part. Just another reason to hate that coke snorting son of bitch.
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"I haven't gone and watched Spidey 3 yet. Know why? Cause if everyone says it's shit, then why would I pay to go see it? I don't need to see shit firsthand. I'll take your guys word for it. Same for Transformers. If lots of people say it good, then I'll go watch it. Harry Potter is a different matter, cause I've read all the books, and know that it's good." GOOD.GOD. This post is more mentally dangerous than using Optimus Prime's voice changer helmet for webcam sex chats!
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I think somebody needs a nap.
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And for that matter, where's all the Harry Potter reviews? Quint has seen it, and hinted he liked it. Where's your goddamn review? I want answers! Not bitchy, whiny "G1 lovers" or stupid "I like exlposions" idiot reviews. I want fair and balanced. Where's Fox news when you need them? Come on, Moriarty! Post your lame ass opinion tonight. You too, Quint. Not that I really give a fuck what you guys think. That's it one or three more beers, and I'm going to bed. Maybe four.
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chats. There's nothing wrong with that. BTW, how do the Autobots reproduce? Do they just build one another? Or do they get to get it wet like the rest of us?
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I was referencing one of Harry's posts from some 2 weeks ago. Of course there is nothing wrong with Autobot inspired sex thingys. Let the sexchats begin. Hurray!
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When one of the opposing Generals (that I have much respect for btw) defects, it REALLY DOES mean there is something worth seeing in this movie.
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was a part of a douche A young Jennifer Connelly has this guy ever seen Career Opportunity
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You got the Power!
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Flash-doken!
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summer blockbusters thus far does not make it a great movie, but it may have delivered something the other films were missing in abundance.
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The criticism was about the story (which is faithful to the book) and that all the fantastic British actors are only playing small characters and the leads are kids who aren't fantastic British actors. <p> Oh well. That might be fine criticism of it as a film, but as a HP film, I don't really think so. As HP moves further along, it might wear thin on people who do not follow the books.
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this movie Harry's email address.
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I keep hearing about them constantly.
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and are going to get word of mouth going prior to the reviews by the top line critics.
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I will call a peace I'm gonna see what Bay does with the SHIT that I have seen so far...And we'll see who comes out getting what they want...fair?
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I can sum up the movie thusly: "It's a Michael Bay movie." it has EVERY major pitfall that the rest of his movies do. In some ways, it's actually worse than his other films, especially the pacing, SHAMELESS product placement, and unties loose ends in the plot and minor characters. and so if you LIKE Bay's other films, you'll like this one. if you HATE Bay's films, you're probably not going to like this one. if you're sort of indifferent to Bay, then it will depend on how much you like the Transformers. not them in the movie, I mean the idea of them as an entity. if you're indifferent on Bay, and indifferent on the Transformers, then a) what the hell are you doing on AICN, and b) you're not going to like this movie.<p>bottom line, no one expected this to be great. Bay is simple incapable. people were just hoping it might be decent. and it looks like a lot of other reviews, including regulars whose opinions I respect, are more forgiving with Bay than I am, and enjoyed it. <p>but by ANY traditional measure, this movie is terrible. if you can somehow block out the logical and reasonable part of your brain that should wince at that crap, I suppose you could have a fun "roller coast thrill ride"!! I can't do it. and so the movie sucked for me.<p>little kids and guys that can't spell "banana", are particularly going to enjoy it.
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the trend I have seen with hollywood is it doesn't get better, but just so you're like...wtf? It's almost like they don't care about the thought and stories that are behind these films they are trying to emulate.
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people will want to see this whether they like TF or not. People will be willing to overlook the film's flaws because of it.
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Nothing doing. I don't care if it shits Mona Lisa's out of it's ass. Shit is Shit no matter how prettily rendered.
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July 1, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST
I’ll have my own review of TRANSFORMERS up later today
by xavier masterson
Haven't you learned by now not to do this, Drew? just keep all mentions of when you are going to post reviews, editorials and whatnots to yourself. That way you won't chronically miss your own self imposed deadlines.
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Sequel to White Chicks!
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was martin lawrence..that's it, 2...I don't know what the heck that was, xtacy, martin is old and trippin and who cares? what? who the fuk cares bout that? michael mann, now that's director.
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And the only ones with Intelligence is messi and Yacks I haven't read MBWB yet But everyone starts off with either a Apology or Resounding praise for Bay.
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arent movies supposed to be taking place in the real world? why wouldnt there be actual products we all know? cuz i know anytime i see these fake product brands in movies and on tv, it just takes me out of it. i rather see coke then fizz but maybe i'm alone.
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My pc's acting up (Busy Downloading the Library of Rick James)
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My pc's acting up (Busy Downloading the Library of Rick James)
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"...I'd be interested to see how it plays in Compton when the "black" Transformer Jazz flashes gang signs before being the (SPOILER) only one who bites it;..." <p> http://filmfreakcentral.net/screenreviews/livefreeortransform.htm
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props. Non-subtle product placement is jarring and reminds you that you are really watching a 2-hour commercial for something.
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he does. Should be interesting reading his review.
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if someone drinking a can of coke, fine, I don't care. but ou really have to see this movie to believe how shameless it is. every possible place that they could insert a close up lingering shot of a company's logo on something, they did it. it's amazing.<p>also, Michael Bay thinks all black men yell and flail their arms, and scream and swear at their moms and grandmothers.<p>Anthony Anderson is the WORST part of this movie, bar none. his character is useless and not needed, his acting is atrocious, the lines written for him are horrendous, and he's in 2 of the 3 scenes that are so useless and slow, I cannot believe the producers left them in.
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(which is filled with bad racial stereotypes), but they kill off the only black TF. Hilarious.
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Is that like a metaphor? Is Micahel Bay displaying depth? Or is he a racist? Operation: Get behind the Darkies
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Azerues says I'm Rick James Bitch.
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Right? Or does he bite it too?
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the only TF with any non-white attributes is Jazz. I didn't know Bumblebee and Rachet were such anglophiles.
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Sounds just like Armageddon. DA da! Da da! DA DA! Electic guitar chord struck in the backround. Horrible, just horrible.
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just kill him? Instead of just raming Shia, who I might add is quite stupid. Yeah, dude. It's not a cop, retard.
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MCD survived, Martin and Will Survived, I think Cuba Gooding Jr. survived (I blocked most of Pearl Harbor from my memory)But As Jazz throws up his set as he dies If he says Utters "Westside" in Rosebud like scene I'm Writing Mr. Bay the angriest letter my Media Pirating PC will let me write.
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biggest plot hole in the film...they chase after Shia, demanding info about the maguffin. they find his address, obviously, but they don't look in his house? all this technological power and they can't scan a relatively clean teenager's bedroom for an item? or just tear off the roof and LOOK in there! fucking ridiculous.
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It has a Mountain Dew machine that transforms into a robot? Did Yack and messi ever come back here and explain this further?
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afrocentric non-human fictional characters. Blaster, Jazz, Panthro, Destro, The Predator, Gladiator. Did I miss any
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Even though he's the closest thing to a black Transformer. They don't make him psuedo-street. The last thing he says is "You want a piece of me"!
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affects some ordinary hardware and basically gives them the "spark" of life, i.e. ordinary household equipment comes to life and tries to destroy any fleshmonkey in sight. That might be the tie-in. Kind of like Stephen King's Overdrive (I think that is the name) with the killer truck with the Green Goblin visage, sans transforming of course.
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Cartoon, cartoon, story, character changes, Bay-isms, blah blah blah... This movie has GIANT ROBOTS RENDERED IN STATED OF THE ART CGI BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF EACH OTHER. They had me there.
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Like the flick or not but some of the posters here seem to have delusions of self importance. I especially liked this one: "At least I won't PAY to see the film in theaters. Well it's simple really. I don't want to be part of this films success" That's showing them, I'm sure they'll miss your $9.50. Yer dumb
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the blatant product placement, ick. Originally it also had children's toys I wonder if that still made it into the film.
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Also any animated charcter by Chris Rock.
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beyond belief was: Tommorrow Never Dies.
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What big action film these days doesn't have serious product placement in it? Casino Royale was sick with Sony and Ford stuff and barely anyone complained. This is a non-issue and by the way - there's a MUSTANG in there. MADE BY FORD! It's not just GM cars you bunch of retards.
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I'm not talking about props, I'm talking about advertising products in the movie. It's annoying. Obviously in a film where the main characters are cars I don't consider that product placement, but there is a way to do it and there is a way not to do it.
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I vote for Wilford Brimley. Jerry Seinfeld for Cy-Kill.
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director is framing the product label instead of telling the story.
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Prime is going to summon all of the robots from across the galaxy to live on Earth. This will inevitably lead to: 1) robots disguising themselves as dinosaurs and insects to hide in the middle of Manhattan, 2) female robots with giant breasts.
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Oooh, look at the size of his engines!
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1st of all this movie was biggest of 2007, Not best but it had the biggest Interantional take home. The sequel Is not even finished yet before the end of this year this is a Massive law suit against Dreamworks from "Mighty Murphy" and Desanto Which halts production in this movie They get there money but because of it Dreams works can not afford Bay to DIrect this movie anymore, all the A list directors have latched on to direct the next big thing 80's cartoons. So who does Dreamworks turn Paul WS Anderson. Yup you heard it straight from the delorians mouth.
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Phate, did you get the gist of the comments they were tossing back and forth?
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theres this belief that women have this insane unexplained attraction to Starscream So as fellow TF fans do you find Starscream (G1 of course) Attractive.
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Starscream's got a big mouth and is always talking about how he can do things better than Megatron, but he's just a bully and a half-wit. It's always interesting to see why people identify with certain fictional characters. Always wondered about folks with Decepticon symbols on their stuff.
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seems like the kind of woman that likes drama and getting their ass beat. Like Stella.
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Um...why oh why has nobody here mentioned the awesome OPTIMASH PRIME Mr. Potato Head? Hello...?<br> <BR> http://www.hasbro.com/default.cfm?page=ps_results&product_id=19670
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saw resemblance between Chewy, and Billie Dee, Oh and Goliath, and every single Klingon Since Star Trek III
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all voiced by black actors...
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people have been known to choke and die from summer popcorn!
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and Whoopie the 3rd one escapes.
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Remember Lobo? For those who don't know he was a badass DC comic character.
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Bay you almost had me sad for not paying. Orci your the new Rothman
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Think I got a headache now.<p>Nonetheless I'm looking forward to GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS bringing TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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my IQ is 81, my review's above. thank you, and I'm going to go call someone on this stapler.
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messi and Yack are Transformer fans but Have not "eat anything served up" They've been avid "haters" anything that stops messi from saying TINO cant be all bad but since they kept the brother thing there is no way I'm paying to see this.
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Saw this opening night at Embassy theatre where Return of The kjing had its world premiere. It fucking rocks. Ive seen it 3 times now and its continually thrilling. There were 3 girls in our group that went for the hell of it but were dreading what they were going to see. They all loved it and agreed its probaly the most entertaining film theyve ever seen at the cinema. Its honestly like a ride, so much incredible action and humor that you cant take your eyes of the screen. Michael Bays action scenes have always impressed me because they continue and dont feel like short little set pieces, Theyre scenes that are full of about 5 - 10 different set pieces. So many of you will go in wanting too hate this but when the opening scene comes up followed by that first transformer attack youll be hooked. The humor in the film works aswell. This is without a doubt the best blockbuster ive seen in a very long time. After all the Spiderman 3s', Worlds ends, Superman Returns, x men 3s it about time that instead of walking out of the movie trying to convince yourself you liked it you walk out of this with a geeking grin fully amazed and excited at what youve just seen and not let down. is anyone else sick of looking forward to a film for years, seeing the spy photos, hearing interviews, trailers and hype and 30 mins in realising that its another letdown. This film delivers exactly what it promises and more. The actions huge and theres so much of it. Everyone in the theatre loved this film, everyone at works talking about it. This is a Terminator 2 for our age.
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"Saw Batman Begins 13 Times"
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Seriously! You got loads of positive reviews for a movie, but when you say that it sucks anyway, you are cool!<br> But when you got loads of negative reviews and say that they are wrong and the film is great, you are a jerk.<br> And if you write a review with pros and cons, people will only remember the cons and use them against you and the movie!
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I don't get the love for that movie. Maybe just because as a Bond movie it seemed great compared to the others but it's not that good by itself as a movie. This is better than Casino Royale, the action beats the action in it and it doesn't have 30 mins of a poker match.
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"It's a great film and I enjoyed the hell out of it!"<br> I don'T wanna come up with the old "Actionfilms don't have to be Shakespeare"-argument, but face it: Many great movie have a long lists of cons!<br> Take "The Shawshank Redemption": It's full of cliches, Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman play Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman, it's too long (I don't care about the lenght, but this seems to be the most popular counterpoint for any movie these days), has no action and we never find out who really killed Tim Robbin's wife. But that doesn't stop it from being a great movie! (Of course I don't wanna seriously compare Transformers to Shawshank, because they are too different for that.)<br> Somebody (can't remember who) said that even Jurassic Park is full of flaws, like bad acting and a flat screenplay, and everybody loves that one! And you know what? He is right! Many of our favourite films (and I'm not talking about the so-called "Guilty pleasures") are flawed as hell! From Forbidden Planet, over Star Wars to LOTR and nobody cares! Until someone made a movie about a toy commercial!
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I loved Batman Begins. Movies are entertainment, who are you to say what percentage i should devote to certain entertainment. I don't see movies for no reason, they take up my time and I enjoy watching them as much as someone would enjoy playing tennis or whatever, it's an activity. What the fuck dickhead. Read a book? why? i'm watching batman begins, books take up time too, i rather watch batman begins because I also love the music. kiss a girl? what? why? this doesn't make any sense. Who are you to decide what to do with life. I watched Batman Begins too but I also grew up listening to Hardcore bands and being in pits that resembled fights, I listen to Isis and Mogwai all that means i'm cooler than you. East shit dumb cunt.
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If this is the worst movie you have ever seen then you need to watch more movies. Seriously you sound like a fucking idiot saying this.
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Dude I wouldn't be able to sleep at night If i didn't see Blackout destroy the army base or starscream's air battle. The movie is alot better than you would think and avoiding it isn't goign to solve anything, only if you become a director who gets hired will you be able to make a better transformers and indeed fix the problem. Worth seeing at least once. It will suck ass on dvd, nowhere near the same watching on a big screen.
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I would think this would happen about the acronyms. BUT I put the explanation next to the first one. So...what the fuck man, read it again. TINO = Transformers in Name only.
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we do find out who killed Tim Robbins' wife, it was Tommy's former cellmate. it was, you know, a huge plot point? and cliches? this is a movie that is essentially a platonic love story between 2 grown men. there isn't a single speaking line by a woman in the whole movie, and no love interest for any main character, after Robbins' wife is killed. I admit that while being a great film, it is a little overwrought perhaps. but it's not cliched, I don't think. I understand your point, but I would have picked a different movie than that. maybe something like E.T.? or Jaws?<p>and I hate to burst your bubble, but as I said before, anyone who is enjoying this movie is not doing so because it's a good movie. they're enjoying it because they're able to ignore all the crappy elements of it and just watch the big robots crash into each other. well fine, more power to them. I reviewed it as a film, form my perspective. if other people are able to revert back to their 7 year old selves and get lost in it, ignoring gaping plot holes, horrendous writing, terrible music, ethnic stereotypes, frantic editing, etc., that's fine. enjoy it! but I have to have faith that there are at least SOME people out there that expect more from a movie. and so I reviewed it thusly.<p>negativity for negativity's sake may be useless. but if a movie stinks, I'm gonna hold my nose and tell people to avoid it.
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what the fuck are you talking about. I just mentioned some fanboy things, jazz used to breakdance, the matrix is known among fans so why wouldn't that be something to mention. I just mentioned them, whats fucking wrong about this? The designs wouldn't have worked??? look at the starscream sector seven video dumb cunt. If i had shit for brains why do I have Mogwai and Earth in my cd player? Eat shit.
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Batman Begins set up the joker, spiderman 2 set up the lizard and 'new goblin'. But transformers doesn't set up anything, it's just Optimus sending a message to the other autobots, but obviously i'd love to see a sequel, but no one knows what could possibly be in it apart from soundwave. But the day they announce the dinobots is the day people go crazy.
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the technology line is i guess dumb but it's not like the movie is shit because it is a lame idea that everything came from megatron. If that's a way to see movies then sucks for you.
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I don't think he was right. I just didn't expect it to be such a fun tight movie. but the things we complained about for the most part are valid and if they addressed them, it'd be an even better movie.
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I have seen it again and it's just as good. I might even see it a few more times. It's not just the effects, I mean I enjoyed the early scenes with Sam, Mikaela and Bumblebee, reminded me of the tone from back to the future.
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he's one of the original haters. Moondoggy aswell.
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Dude don't go see movies based on other people's opinions. What everyone likes or dislikes is not the same as what you would like. I can't remember which movie it was where I heard bad reviews and then I thought it was great, I do however remember people saying Children of Men was 'pretty good' instead of 'one of the most awesome thigns ever', if i listened to myself I would have seen it much earlier and managed to watch it more than I did.
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I'm sure Messi will invite me to go have sex with myself...I'm paraphrasing, of course...
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All the other ones are stupid. Also, I want to ignore the overwhelming conclusion by most that the good things in this movie outweigh the bad, because the bad things list has more items in it and that makes it objectively more bad than good no matter what. It's science.
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Dooku jumping down to fight anakin and obi wan. There's one flaw. name a few more? Yoda's mass glitch on his lightsaber when he turns it on to fight sidious. obi wan and anakin locking sabers.
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FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = NIPPLES ON HD-DVD, AND HERE'S WHY ---- hahaha this line is hilarious. my name is messi and i'm here to party!!!
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I really liked the movie but dont be an asshole about hating, this movie would have been even better if they added more aspects of the cartoon. Batman was a comic created in the 30's so don't say shit like complainign about something created 20 years ago, the cartoon is memorable and loved for a reason.
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Look get over it; TF's is shaping up to be an entertaining blockbuster - if you can't enjoy a film simply for entertainment's sake without ensuring it meets a checklist of high-brow criteria, then that's your fucking problem.<p> "The only thoughful reviews i have read above was from the negative reviews " - I mean listen to yourself; you're basically suggesting that the only worthwhile reviews of this film are negative ones. Wow, how fucking balanced and objective is that.<p> Is it so difficult for you to understand that people are enjoying this film and are being entertained by it?<p> You keep trotting out Batman Begins as some kind of Holy grail or yardstick; yes it was a fucking good Batman film, but as big a Batman fan as I am, I have to say, at no point during that film did I get any kind of adrenaline rush, or feel like I was witnessing some sort of spectacle.<p> It's balls to the wall action that gets that out of me; the Matrix Lobby fight, the first neo/Smith fight, the Maul/Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan fight, the T-Rex attack in Jurassic Park - big, flashy hi-impact scenes. As good as it was, Batman Begins had nothing like that.<p> Give it up - you're just sounding like a snobby tit now, and losing credibility fast. If you don't want to watch TF's fine; just stop pretending it makes you so much more intelligent and 'better' than the rest of us.
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Wish I had read your post first!
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you don't know what good cg or bad cg is if you say that sequence was some of the worst ever, for one the cg itself wasn't bad, it's just the scene itself is unbelievable it makes you think the cg is bad. Even then, hwo does one scene take away from the brutal accomplishments of weta. total bias star wars loving fan. Weta made the first ever photorealistic being then the ultimate cg creation in kong which is still the greatest achievment in cg(think of the hair).
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You're correct about Batman Begins; but I'd hardly describe it as an adrenaline rushing experience.<p> Sometimes people want high-octane, relatively low-brow entertainment - doesn't make them neanderthals; why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
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I am going to have to disagree, of course I wanted to love this movie but I didn't force myself to love it, I just really liked it because I did and I think it's a good film. I hated armageddon, i think con air is hilarious but for unintentional reasons and i think the rock is pretty good but this is based on my last opinion since i haven't seen the movie in about 10 years. It's a good film, the problems bug me but overall it wasn't like in ROTS where the problems really bugged me and the film wasn't that great.
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east shit cunt. it's a brilliant movie.
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the 10000 moving parts are for when they transform and it looks impressive for the most part, of course i wished it looked more like G1 movie version like the starscream vid i posted. <p> The positive bits of the movie are really positive, I mean even the early scenes which have bumblebee as a car are really enjoyable.
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Well as for my mind going 'this is good movie'. I don't know. The start was as expected for how it should be with the voice and the music and you knew it was going to be an event. Then the exchange in the helicopter happened and that was whatever then the Michael Bay shit happened with the helicopter landing with the soldiers and the sunset and the overblown music and I though "fuck here we go"(in the rolling my eyes sense). But when Blackout transformed and you saw that long shot of him just shooting everything I just thought "Holy shit". When Sam drives to the Lake and that whole scene happens and then the car breaks down I thought it was really enjoyable and reminded me of 80's spielberg like back to the future and those scenes surprised me because they were funny and they had no robots. I think when Barricade transforms to go after Bumblebee is when I thought "this is really good". Optimus transforming on the freeway after Bonecrusher sealed the deal.
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the issues should be corrected for the next film. They need to put the megatron-starscream relationship on screen, they need to keep prime's faceplate on, they need to lose the flames, and ratchet should not be a british guy. You weren't right but I did enjoy it.
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Is a fantastic fucking movie. Saw it twice in the theaters and now own it. I fucking love the movie.<br><br> That said, I feel like the movie wouldn't have worked as well and probably gone over people's heads if it didn't have Burton's legacy and Schumacher's gay carnival preceeding it. It felt right because we HAD seen the more, em, artistic interpretations of Batman on film and to suddenly see him brought down to a very serious and realistic level was incredibly refreshing. But it's still about a dude who wears a bat costume and punches people, it's not exactly the kind of thing people easily take seriously right off the bat.<br><br> Also, subsequent watching of the movie has revealed it to me as rather lacking in the action department. That's OK, because the story is the strength of the movie and it covers what it lacks in action, and you could argue that that's the way movies are supposed to be. Still, I really wish it had delivered a bit more on the spectacle, there's some great set pieces and opportunities (I love the shot of the Tumbler diving into the Narrows) but they mostly just don't really WOW you. I think Nolan still hadn't quite perfected his eye for action in the movie, but you can sure tell he's gonna kick ass at it soon. Can't wait to see what he does in Dark Knight. <br><br> The point is, I don't want a Batman Begins'ed Transformers, and I don't think audiences want to see that either. I'd love to see a version like that in the future, but as a launch, I want to see some fucking virtuoso action master taking the reins. I REALLY want the spectacle and the action to be the best part of this movie. I think that a strong focus on story and characters at the expense of action and spectacle a la Batman Begins would have been a great disservice to the inherent possibilities of a live-action Transformers movie. I'm glad this was the chosen approach, and I'm glad Spielberg chose that fucking maniac Bay to do it.
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I avoided Bad Boys 2 and the island. Bay is one of the best action directors ever. For all the the romantic goo and wooden acting that sank Pearl Harbour, The action scenes and the attention to detail were very impressive and Jon Voight's turn as Eisenhower was great. Those who have worked with Bay, testify to the mans volcanic temperment. So story and dialoug happen to be his weakness and he isnt good at that. With bay it is about action. Macho, no bs, no pansy ass, testosteroen filled action. Bay is better then anyone at this currently. if fact there are no directors working in hollywood that do what bay does best. even die hard 4.0 looks a little jaded. I am glad Mctiernan is coming back if reports are true. and if you are all bemoaning the transformers lack of logic. Alfred Hitchcock hated cinemagoers predilection for plot logic. He would ignore the cry of these plausibles. Bay hates Plausibles to and fills his with bay hem. Orson Welles said when asked about his final role sighed and said without irony as "a big toy attacked by a lot of smaller toys.
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Those kinds of number facts are tossed around so much everyone interprets what they will about it. Same shit with the 38-hour render times, and the number of set pieces thing. If I could take a stab at guessing on ILM's production side, I'd say the 10,000 parts thing is not necessarilly all at once in a frame. They'd probably have models of varying complexities, like a super detailed version of the head for close-ups, and a more simplified full-body model for wide shots. Combine all the parts together and you get the 10K figure.
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Over Transformers.
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Bayformers.
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...i didnt mention it because I already bought it.
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Why does the brother thing with Prime and Megatron bother you? There are other brothers in the TF universe. Sunstreaker and Sideswipe being the two best known.
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That is all.
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as bay. and before you name tony scott, remember He and bay are bot makers of loud, dumb, empty, action pictures. So go ahead, name one action film maker better are as good as bay. JOhn mctiernan is one. But he made Rollerball and that ended his career, thanks to Harry and he did jail time. Richard Donner, 16 blocks was his nadir. JJ abrams in time will be good but he is a cruise-stooge. There arent many great action directors. not now. I wouldnt have matter who made trasonformers in the end because the negative reaction would still have been the same. edgar wright will be another great action director. But I have a warning: to all directors. Stay away from Transoformers. the jabbering anoraks will make your life hell either way.
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Ridley Scott. Paul Verhoeven. Just because Mctiernan made Rollerball and Tony Scott makes bad movies now doesn't mean they weren't brilliant in their time. Bay has nothing even remotely good at True Romance. Michael bay has never made a brilliant film. The original Bad Boys and The Rock are good action flicks but after that it's all straight down hill from there.
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Nothing personal. but I've been down this road before it it is the road to ruin my friend. Like I've said when it comes to summer popcorn action films, they are almost exclusively awful nowadays and I hear so often the opposite, which is almost always wrong. Funny story actually, I remember when "The Butterfly Effect" came out with Kutcher and people telling me it was actually good. Now of course I didn't trust them but when it came out on DVD I had to see for myself. The film ended up being so awful that I got appendicitis during the runtime and had to get surgery. It was probably coincidence, but I'm not entirely sure it wasnt Ashton Kutchers acting. So trusting people on movies that look awful could in fact be hazardous to my health.
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As even handed as it gets. Giving praise where deserved and criticism likewise. I would suggest a read.
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People can shout all they want, but when it comes to American run-and-gun action Bay is VERY good. The other guys are either M.I.A., working in other genres, or lost their touch. I don't get how people can watch the Rock/Bad Boys movies and can't track the action, but claim to understand what's going in jittery movies like Pirates of the Caribbean or MI:3.
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..Spidey, to be honest. Not once did I look at my watch and that's always a good sign. Never been a particular fan, was dragged to see it by my kids and thoroughly enjoyed myself. The best bit was *spoiler* When Shia was looking for his glasses in his bedroom with Megan Fox and his interfering parents storm in. There are 4 or 5 Transformers outside the window making minced meat of his mothers garden...very funny, especially when these great big robots try to hide from them. Worth seeing, you'll be suprised.
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when it comes to big budget action films and you know its all true. It has taken cameron ten fucking years to make a new film by the time it comes out people will say big deal. When you make films in long gaps. people become bored. And what ever excitement was there will be dead and gone. I Will be seeing transformers. and I really believe this will be the best film summer along with the simpsons, and harry potter. Knocked up sounds interesting. Cant wait to see Moores Sicko. By the way I am dying to see Washington and Crowe Kick ass in american gangster.
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My favorite favorite one. I keep coming back to the site just to see it. I always imagined something like that would happen if your were inside a transformer when it did it's thing!
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it be hilarious if after prime transforms, we see harry's arm just fall off and plop on the ground.
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Transformers<br> More than meets the eye<br> Yack and Messi<br> You are making me cry<p> Can't believe you gave in<br> To Michael Bay<br> Never thought I'd see<br> That sad, dreadful day<p> Remember TINO<br> Or have you forgotten?<br> The battles with Phartegodd<br> The man with two chins<p> Oh woe is me, <br> Oh woe is us<br> Bay put a pussy <br> On Optimus<p> Flames on Prime Batman has nipples Hollywood will continue To rape our childhoods.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=CqH0mzOCl38 New clip from Letterman with Megatron speaking and moving, I liked it.
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You turned out to be a typical ILM/ROTS basher. You go " the part with so-and-so sucked", but you know the damn movie by heart. Why is that? Could it be that those flaws you metioned didn`t (and wont) stop you from enjoying the movie multiple times? I don´t think you should be comparing the CGI in one movie with the CGI of another anyway because a) the technology advances too fast b) not all movies using CGI are necessarily done in the same context, for the same audience, the same reaction,etc. You wouldn´t compare the T-Rex from Jurassic Park with the one in Meet the Robinsons would you? You could compare it to a V-Rex, but then again, CGI is only part of the of the story anyway. You can say all you want about the FX on KK, but that movie sucked. Loved Batman Begins, though. How many years do you think it will take for them to respectfully reboot Superman?
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I havent felt this way about a summer film since I was an 8th grader watching ID4 a decade ago. Entertaining crowd pleaser that has everything for everyone; action, humor, heart. Michael Bay didnt screw it up thanks to Speilberg! The audience really got into this movie applauding numerous times. Trust me, the movie of summer!
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I might believe you. But alas.....
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I watched the 2 movies back-to-back. Compare the hacker-in-mother's-basement gag in both films, Die Hard was the better one. The way they designed the robots, combined with their choice of camera shots, it's hard to make out what those damn robots were doing most of the time. Transformers was littered with lame jokes that weren't funny at all. They made it fluffy movie. I wished they treated Transformers with more respect and came up with a more serious movie. The black truck McClane was driving looked more menacing that Optimus Prime. Hell, that scene is even been better than Optimus Prime vs. Starscream if there was one.
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Just a note, Not all the FX for the film were done by ILM. Digital Domain contributed a good bit of the work too. Pretty much the hero characters were ILM, but there is a fair amount of Digital Domains work in there including some of the smaller characters, and various other sequences. ILM have definately raised the bar on this one.
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Just the vibe I get so far. Unfortunate.
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What? You mean like Bale in Batman Begins? ;)
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to me he sounds a bit menacing without really trying to be, he doesn't sound like he's trying to sound scary, he has a very even if not somewhat condescending tone. Novel concept, wait to see the movie before passing any final judgments.
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Dude. You are not as interesting as you seem to believe.
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you wrote:<p>"if you can't enjoy a film simply for entertainment's sake without ensuring it meets a checklist of high-brow criteria, then that's your fucking problem."<p>so the following things are "high brow criteria?":<p>a plot that makes sense<br>pacing that doesn't make you throw things at the screen<br>effects that you can actually see, not just a huge blur crashing back and forth<br>writing that doesn't sound like a 12 year old high on Mountain Dew wrote it?<br>any type of resolution to ANY characters besides one?<br>camera shots on important people and events, rather than whichever product paid the most money for screen time?<p>yeah, I guess I'm an elitist snob for wanting things like that in a film...you jackass.<p>I'm sure you will love Transformers. just make sure you buy your Mountain Dew before you turn your tiny brain off. that is the ONLY way to enjoy this film. anyone over the age of 12 that cna sit through it without rolling their eyes athow illogical and badly written it is, has that ability. *click*! ok, brain's off. bring on the robots. I don't have the ability.<p>but I'm sure you do, and I wish you a good time lining Bay's pimp pockets. hopefully he'll make Bad Boys III for you, before he does the Crapformers sequel...then you can have a real jizzfest HIGH OCTANE THRILL RIDE!!! DERRRRRRRRR<p>"I'm the master of low expectations." - George W. Bush
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also, the war in Iraq is over, and we won!<p>I mean, as long as were deluding ourselves...
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And it's not even showing in the US yet!
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but since he got banned all evidence went poof. That's what I call a Catch-22. Or something.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2bbKadDaKo&mode=related&search= The Cube instead of The Matrix?WTF??
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I can’t believe so many of the reviewers/posters here are giving Bay a pass on this movie. I expect it from the main stream media; after all, I suspect they don’t hold genre movies like this to the same standards they do for films starring fucken Meryl Streep. But I don’t expect it from a community that can (should be able to) accurately discern ‘Predator’ from ‘Aliens Vs Predator’. Bay and co. can’t even keep to the rules they establish for themselves. E.g. WARNING BIG SPOILER – I MEAN IT. ***************** <font color="#FFFFFF"> Frenzy gets decapitated and he immediately adapts by transforming what little material he has left into a functioning and effective form. But when Bumblebee gets his legs blown off he’s reduced to crawling around on the ground. If we’re to believe the Frenzy ‘rule’, Bumblebee could at least fashion himself some fucken crutches. </font> *******************
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Very good points indeed. In fact, I'll go pay to see Sicko and sneak into Bayformers. <p>Michael Moore for President
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How else would you explain enhtusiastic reactions to films like Episode 3, Fantastic FOur, X3, Underworld, Ghost Rider, and many more. As long as a film entertains on even the most basic and instinctual of levels it's considered something of quality. Suggest otherwise and your reasons for thinking so are either twisted and ignored and you are deemed a "hater", a term you have to be so ignorant to use, especially in the case of Transformers, that it should automatically disqualify you from posting. There was a day when AICN actually used to do some good and hold bad filmmakers and hacks accountable, but those days seem to have gone the way of the Dodo.
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Has been my point since day one...If the movie entertains you then it does exactly what it's meant to do.<br><br>Hopefully you'll think twice before rushing off to read an early script next time ma boy ;)
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I've heard from many who have seen the film that the Decepticons have no discernable personality. If that's true I think it's a pretty big and logical complaint.
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Late last night, I thought that I was watching a TV trailer for TRANSFORMERS. It turned out to be a car commercial with filler from the TRANSFORMERS movie. I'm passing on this clunker but I'm not in denial about the obvious: this potpurri of "product placement" will be this summer's #1 blockbuster. Later this evening, I'll retreat to my office to watch a real movie (the original CARNIVAL OF SOULS. Budget: approx. $25,000. Merchandising: 0).
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Not one single review that's enjoyed the movie has used the term quality. Is it quality in the same sense as say The Godfather or Lawrence of Arabia? No, and it'd be silly to ever assume a movie like this could aspire to be in the same league as those films, despite what some people say. The general vibe is that it's cool and entertaining; what's wrong with that?
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You better tell that to the cartoon and comic book afficianados. Since most people seem to think they've removed a great deal from the, dare i say it, "source material", you're suggesting they take even more away from it?
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for the love of God man stop assuming that when I use the word "quality" I mean Lawrence of fucking Arabia. But let's at least start calling a spade a spade when something is a guilty pleasure nad not defend it six ways from Sunday at every turn, justify even the most noticable of flaws. I recently read reviews on both Dark Horizons and IGN of Transformers and loved both reviews because, while it seemed like they both enjoyed themselves, they give the flaws of the film a well earned talkin' 'bout. On this site I would assume the movie is a genre Masterpiece on the level of Blade Runner or Aliens and that Bay actually makes good movies from the love being thrown his way. Or hell, apologists could at least concede that people who are pissed about the source material have SOME KIND OF POINT in their complaints rather than endlessly twisting the argument into the simplest of forms or saying "it was a cartoon so who cares if its bastardized". I don't want Lawrence of Arabia but I do want TRANSFORMERS, as I knew them, with changes to modernize it yes, but still recognizeable and I don't think that is wrong or crazy to ask for.
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I've seen the movie, too, genius. I'm one of the 5000 reviewers above.<p>if you enjoyed the movie, fine. but that doesn't mean it's a good film. NO ONE had the stones, or the decreased mental acuity to claim it was good. yes, it will make bank, but it could have done a lot more business if they had put the effort into making it a decent flick, not full of plot holes and horrible writing.<p>but if that's your thing, and you can turn your brain off and enjoy it, more power to you...I bet you like Mountain Dew, huh?
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technically, logically, rationally, it's not a good movie. it's as simple as that. if you can go see it and just go "ooh, robots fighting! crash bang boom!!" and be satisfied, then so be it. <p>but that doesn't make it a good film. I'm sorry people can't seem to wrap their brains around that.<p>and the worst part is, if they had had a different director, one that could have kept in all the fun fighting stuff (but shot it better) and who actually cared about a decent story, they could have had a really great film, and a true blockbuster.<p>as it is, only kids are going to want to see this movie more than once, and it ain't going to do the business it COULD HAVE, if they had a real director doing it.<p>Michael Bay thinks every one that sees his film is a moron, and he treats you thusly. so if you drink the kool-aid (mountain dew, in this case), and you love it, what does that say about you? not necessarily that you're an idiot, but that you have the ablility to sit in a theater seat, and turn into one for 2 hours. <p>and PLEASE don't give me the elitist line again...it's not elitist to want a plot that makes sense, and screenwriting that is not completely inept and idiotic. I'm not asking for Citizen Kane, for fuck sake. I just want some semblance of logic and rationality, and SOME sort of pacing that makes sense. <p>face it, we could have had a steak, but we get Michael Bay's overcooked table scraps instead...and you're sucking it dry because that's all you got. well fine, but until people refuse this kind of garbage, it's going to keep getting made.
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Yes, it's great when people can spot flaws in movies they enjoy immensely and yes, Garths review certainly gives you the good and bad. However, i think the majority of the several hundred reviews that were posted here did the same but not as in depth. Bear in mind, Garth's got a reputation now as a movie reviewer and he runs a pretty high-profile website; it's really a good reason for Mori to get his review up ASAP since nearly everyone else has voiced an opinion.<br><br>Anyway, AICN posts reviews from readers who don't want to get into every minute detail of a movie. They might not articulate themselves as well as people who do that shit for a living but what's important, especially on this site, is whether or not they liked what they saw; warts and all. Is that a bad thing? No, because most people just want to know, is it enjoyable. They'll make their own mind up fully when go and see it.<bR><br>As for the changes, as a huge TF fan I'm not at all fussed but from what I gather from Yack, and he was pretty anti-transformers, is that it's near enough all there.
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Respectfully, I don’t think it’s a narrow matter. I think it speaks directly to Bay’s quality of craftsmanship AND/OR his overall contempt for the audience. It’s indicative of the ‘overall quality of the movie itself’. We could extend the ‘Frenzy rule’ to the death of Jazz, who appeared to only get torn in half – didn’t seem to bother Frenzy. There’s so much of this level of shit. Bumblebee can’t talk yet he can form a fully functioning radio!? And then he can talk all of a sudden?! Bumblebee signals his comrades in SPACE with a fucken bat signal that’s blocked by the cloud cover!? Blackout directly attacks a military base for data when they already have Frenzy installed in Air Force One (don’t even get me started on that)?! Other concerns, such as the designs, the general plot, the shockingly awful treatment of the Decepticons, have all been addressed by far more established talk-backers than myself so I won’t repeat those here. The ‘Bay-Apologists’ seem to be willing to forgive as long as they get, what is it, ‘GIANT ROBOTS BLOWING SHIT UP.’ But you don’t even get that. Not really. Not in any satisfying measure. It’s all shaky cam and fast cutting. This is an action movie. So fucken show some! The first fight between Bumblebee and Barricade takes place largely off screen. Huge chunks of the Optimus/Megatron rumble aren’t shown. Bay doesn’t have the chops, nor is this the right venue, to be alluding to the most anticipated fight of the year. The Starscream mid air fight is probably the best set piece of the movie. Bay doesn’t direct action well. And sadly, not many in Hollywood do at the moment. I don’t like film makers treating me like I’m stupid. This movie is ‘Lost in Space’, not ‘Aliens’.
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Just LOL!!!
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The fact that you're making those statements to a man who not a week ago was sitting in the same boat as you speaks volumes. He hasn't turned into a Bay apologist overnight. If you applied the same level of reasoning and critical analysis to every single movie, especially comic book movies, you'd never be able to sit down and enjoy anything; not even movies like Indiana Jones and Star Wars.
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really brother. you have to see the movie, then you'll understand.<p>and if you have seen it, I cannot believe you think it stands up to criticism in the same way Indiana Jones does...<p>trust me, when you see it, you'll understand.
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Kirk Honeycutt - The Hollywood Reporter
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"surprisingly and devastatingly candid … Abdul is something of a wonder…" - The Hollywood Reporter
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Look, don't think I'm doing this to be argumentative, but...so far the positives about this movie outweigh the negatives. I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about since I know, from other talkbacks, that you're pretty level headed. But...I also know, too well, the baggage you had when you went in to see this movie. Someone who hates a certain director or certain actor inevitably can't find a good thing to say about their work. It's a very rare occurance that is the case and that's why I was surprised to see anything remotely positive from not one, but two talkbackers who, up till then, had been huge haters.<br><br>Fact is, I won't know what's what until I see it and make no mistake, if it is shit, I'll say it's shit.<br><br>I'm off to bed, I will leave you with the old adage that Opinions are like assholes; everyone's got one.
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but do you? it didn't stop be from seeing it and HOPING that somehow he might have made a decent flick. and if it had happened, I would have said so.<p>it didn't, and I said so. there are moments in this movie where I swear half the people in the theater looked at the person next to them, mouthing, "what?"<p>but the other half were gleefully cheering. as I said, it will depend on your ability to turn your brain off.
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LOL!!!!
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Hell, maybe we should be applying that level of reasoning to movies. Why not?! Heaven forbid we have more Spidermans, more Die Hards(1), more Sunshines. (ok, so that was pretty dramatic but you get my point). Hack directors like Bay shouldn't get an easier time of it because they're known for making half arsed movies. They should have to prove themselves. As an overdue disclaimer - I think Bay is the poster boy for what is wrong with hollywood. This is the man who thought it would be a good idea to have William Fichtner deliver the line, "He's got space dementia", in Armageddon.
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"I'm sorry for those who didn't enjoy the movie. For once, try to relax and enjoy what's on screen."<p> LOL!!!
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All in all I've enjoyed these TF talkbacks. I've never posted on them before because I was always scared of getting caught up in all the venom (I'm quite an angry young? man). But after seeing the movie I felt I had to say something. With the movie finally out I'm going to miss the verbal back and forth and the manner in which some of the more...er...dedicated people conducted themselves. Not going to miss the people jumping in with stunning prose like, "STFU hater bitch!!!!!!!!!". Thanks for letting me have my 2 cents.
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And Stephen Summers is every bit as awful as bay. In fact I would say The Mummy was one of the more disappointing experiences I've had in a theater. So i'm thinking that maybe Transformers isn't for me.
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And please be realistic. NO Raimi, Singer, Jackson, Cuaron, Speilberg, Cameron, Tarantino, Ridley, Tony, Verhoeven...because for a VARIETY of reasons they were NOT going to do Transformers.
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be serious.
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Step away from the internet for the weekend and look what I miss! I just have a couple things to say...<p> Almost all of the reviews that aren't plants are apologetic. Confirming what we already know, but adding a few extra words in ALL CAPS and a few extra exclaimation points doesn't really change my mind. (Also funny how you have to read through about 5 or 6 reviews before AICN throws in a negative one...just to be show how impartial they really are...)<p> I will still not pay to see this in theaters, regardless of how big of a fan I am. It's the principal of the thing. There's principalities involved. As soon as AXXO throws a good copy out there, I'll check this flick out. Anyone else who is sick of Hollywood ripping off things we care about just to make a quick buck, I advise you to do the same.<p> That said, bring on Harry Potter! A franchise that sticks to it's source material and respects it's fans!
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So she's not a plant, fangirl or caring about what characters should look like. She's your basic mindless idiot that they were hoping to reach with this movie. Thanks for backing up my point.
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at least it isn't as bad as the 1998 gino fiasco; i'd call that a victory... a small one, but hey ;)
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then it will end my friendship with Yack forever! Hahah. Anyway, why are people picking on messi for liking Batman Begins? The kind of people who actually have a talkback account on AICN? Now THAT'S hilarious.
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what the fuck are you talking about, i didn't try to make myself sound interesting. I wrote a review from the point of view of a detractor since everyone knows my opinions and I knwo the concerns of everyone on this site so I went through them all. Fuck you.
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It's not as dumb as you're lead to believe, ID4 was a completely dumb throwaway flick, this isn't. It has it's bay moments(generally anything with the government and some shots of the military) but it's pretty minimal and some of the best parts are at the start with Sam.
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other. Meet-cutes, stereotypes, great action scenes.
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It's not as dumb as you're lead to believe, ID4 was a completely dumb throwaway flick, this isn't. It has it's bay moments(generally anything with the government and some shots of the military) but it's pretty minimal and some of the best parts are at the start with Sam.
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Episode 3, Fantastic FOur, X3, Underworld, Ghost Rider were all dumb throwaway movies okay maybe not episode 3 so much but Transformers is much better than those movies and even memorable. yeah it's hard to believe but it's the truth, and I hate Bay's other movies but he actually made a good one. Don't wait for dvd, you'd kick yourself for not seeing some of the stuff on a big screen, at least pay for another movie and sneak in.
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will have Wanda Sykes as the sassy female Transformer.
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if you can only enjoy movies like that then i suggest you stick to documentaries or the news.
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For a while there I was also thinking that perhaps he was a less developed transformer. But then I remembered he does exhibit sophisticated behvior - he has a scene of dialogue with Barricade. And he hacks. It's never indicated that he's less advanced. If anything, he's the most effect decepticon of the whole bunch. But I didn't mean to get so hung up on Frenzy. He was meant as an example of the overall problem. I do agree with you over the autobot 'planning' scene. That was a hint of what we should have seen more of. Less crazy black hacker guy. More Autobots. More Decepticons If was to sum up my feelings/views in once cohesive point it would be that I'm disappointed by the wasted opportunity (I know that's been said before).
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It only took half a dozen posts for someone to put the boot in. Nice.
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I'd put transformers in the same category as spidey 1 maybe not as good but very damn close.
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the fun quotient that the other summer films have completely lacked. Which is really a shame.
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Sorry Messi, that was overly defensive of me. I guess I fell into the trap I laid for myself by posting here. I guess I expected to be 'attacked'. Anyway, Superninja, what do you mean by 'a shame'.
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POTC 3 were such letdowns. I don't count Shrek 3 for obvious reasons. :)
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I wanted more transformers. I'm a huge Optimus fan. Massive. Right from when I was a nipper. So I was really surprised that I was so disappointed with the treatment of the Decepticons. Maybe it makes Optimus a better hero if the villains are actually nasty. Or maybe Megatron actually got under my skin as a kid too. <br><br> I'm glad you enjoyed it. Maybe I'm jealous that I didn't have that experience.
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reviews, just skimmed over and paid most attention to messi and yackbacker.<p>You know, the only review I really cared about for this film was the Empire review http://tinyurl.com/27x22t<p>Tha is a proper review by a proper critic.<p>Four out of five they gave it. And that is what most people seem to agree with.<p>I am slightly confused by what Yack and Messi said, I haven't seen it but I can't see how any of what they said was not what they expected.<p>Surely they expected more action than they had ever seen and obvious but funny Bay stlye humour.<p>To me everything they described is what I thought we all expected, just what i wanted to see but what many of you didn't want to see.<p>I still doubt Superninja would like it, i think she is immune from Bay's charms but Yackbacker and Messi clearly let their inner 15 yr old boy rip free and had a whale of a time.<p>People saying 'told you so' are idiots, no-one said this was not going to be the ultimate Bay film, they just said they couldn't stand the idea of an ultimate Bay film.
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It may be a great Bay movie, but as a TF movie I'm not sure. I guess I would have to see it. It's the same thing with people dissing Thundercats or He-Man when the ideas could produce great, thoughtful, fantasy movies. It's the bones of it - no one wanted the literal cartoon. This attitude irritates me, and it's why we get movies like this. It's 20 minutes of an okay Speilberg movie (that he's already done) grafted onto nonstop Bay action scenes for the rest.
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I could say it is abit like ET, it has that tone/feel and also back to the future too. I can't believe Bay got good performances that didn't feel like michael bay(the government bits do, but just feel like exposition, not horrible but just there). Thing is ET didn't have that insane Starscream air battle nor Optimus transforming on the freeway. It's enjoyable and entertaining but many films do this but are throwaway movies, this isn't.
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the footage they leaked. He obviously carries most of the film based on the comments. He must of inherited it from his father the rodeo clown. ;)
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I agree with you that this film is better than Fantastic Four, X3, Underworld, and Ghost Rider.<p>and it's still a steaming turd.<p>haven't movies like PotC, Spiderman, X-men, etc. taught us that we CAN and SHOULD expect more from these types of films? why should we have to turn a blind eye to all of the fuck-ups and plot holes and lack of characterization? we CAN HAVE BOTH! until people stop going, "yeah a lot of it sucked, but it was a <<insert many metaphor about jizzing, roller coasters or adrenaline here>>", we are going to get less and less real movies, and more Bay shitstorms!<p>why isn't it OK to want more?
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Jeff Tremaine was at the premiere I Was at, and on the way out, even HE was joking about how bad some of the plot holes and inconsistencies were...<p>and this guy's idea of direction is, "go ahead Pontius, drink the horse jizz!"
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Ghost rider and FF:ROTSS over the weekend.<p>I was looking forward to going to the movies and watching FF knowing it would be rubbish but looking forward to turning off the old brain and being enertained by big action, stupid humour and prdictable (but somehow comforting) plot mechanics.<p>And then I was looking forward to getting home and having the same experiance with Ghost Rider.<p>A perfect night of low expectations and fun.<p>But the problem was that neither was particuarly fun. None of the action in either was that impressive and they hardly even made me laugh. Even the first FF made me laugh.<p>That is why i can't wait for TF, we have had a summer where movies couldn't even manage to be big fun popcorn flicks. They where either too stupid (FF) or tried to be intelligent and just ended up convoluted (Pirates).<p>At the start of summer i wasn't as half as excited about TF because I assumed I would be satisfied by intelligent action (Spidey), stupid action (FF) and somewhere in the middle (Pirates) but none delivered.<p>So now all I have in terms of summer movies is TF.
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TF is going to be satisfying to a large number of people.
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all this because people cant grasp the concept of someone having a different opinion and actually liking something they dont. hmmmm, i sense deja vu.
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expect more. We should expect all blockbusters to be intelligent like Spidey or xmen or BB.<p>But i n the real world we know that a lot of films are still going to be dumb. The studios need to feel like they have some controll so we will always have a varying ratio of xmen's to xmen 3's.<p>The thing with TF is at least it gets the big stupid action bits right.<p>FF and Ghost rider couldn't even do that bit right.<p>If there is two halfs to a film like this... the action and the intelligence then at least it gets one right rather than neither.
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But the Reason I can't let the "Brother" thing go TASE is with Sidesweep and sunstreaker it was not a silly plot device made to draw the heroe and villain close together then forgotten as quickly as it was brought up.
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agree with the difference something has on paper to on screen.<p>I tried to tell a lot of people that trying to read the script for an action movie is pointless.<p>With a movie that is 90% action it's really pointless.<p>Also, next time you are watching any movie of this type try imagining what a scene would be like if you read it on paper. It will fall apart. Many of our favorite movie quotes we probably would have laughed at had we read them first before seeing them on screen.<p>Reading a script actually takes experiance and training if there is a big visual element to it. It takes someone who has experiance because there is such a giant leap from what it is like on paper to what it is like on screen.<p>The effect of how different a movie plays and how flat and off it seems if you take away the soundtrack goes a long way to proving how misleading a script can be.
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Whoever did the effects for Pirates of the Caribbean's Davy Jones is the best, at least at making believable cgi characters who interact with real actors.
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thinks that while Bay is always dumb his actors always display charm and fun.<p>They are never the same kind of flat out wooden that the actors in FF are.<p>Bay always has a witty script (inevitable if you have 13 people writting one scene) and top actors. <p>Nic Cage and Sean Connery in the Rock.<p>Will smith and Martin Lawrence in Bad Boys.<p>Ewan McGregor in the Island.<p>Bruce Willis, Steve Buscemi and a load of others in Armageddon.<p>The point is he doesn't get a load of no-name actors to bluntly deliver the lines (he does that with the supporting cast), he gets a bunch of great actors to add a great dose of life to his movies.
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The film was just able to overcome it. <p> Davy Jones is my man! I agree photorealistic for sure. Did TF manage to be more realistic than Davy Jones?
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opinions about quality are different from opinions about enjoyment...<p>take the worst movie you've ever seen, and I can find you someone that enjoys it. does that mean it's quality? no. it means they have a different set of criteria with which to judge the film.<p>and as I've said a bunch of times, by any rational set of criteria, this film is technically not good. it simply isn't. if you enjoy it, it is NOT because it's well made, well written, or well acted. it's because you are willing to ignore the things that are not well done, and focus only on big robots fighting.<p>and GREAT, enjoy it! but that's not my sole criteria, and not the way I approach it. and they posted my review, and I'm gonna call it as I see it.
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I knew I wasn't going to be getting a great story so I was pinning my hopes on the action. Maybe that's why I'm so pissed at Bay. Because the action is, in my view, seriously sub-standard. It's partly the 'bot designs but mostly because of the framing of the scenes. <br><br> There's one scene near the end where two transformers are fighting and they bascially leave the frame. We're left with a lovely shot of the street where the transformers WERE. It's like Bay got his sweet old auntie to shoot that scene because he liked the way she cut everyone's heads off in her holiday snaps.<br><br> I know Ronin is a different type of movie but the car chase scenes in that are spectacular. The have a real weight and sense of speed to them. Imagine the Optimus/Bonecrusher highway scene with THAT sort of direction. THAT amount of time invested in it. Honestly, the fight is barely longer than what's in the trailer.
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very true. and doesn't it make it sting all the more painfully because the first fight scene at the military base is SO good?<p>I sitll think Spielberg directed the first 20 minutes. there's no other wa to explain how good that was, vs. how bad the rest was...
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ie giant robots. I still enjoy the humour, pacing, predictability, fun etc of Bay's movies.<p>I have always said that Bay is a terrible director and has not made one film that could generally be considered 'good' but i still love them.<p>I'd rather watch a big crappy Bay film than a big crappy Tim Story film.<p>At least Bay can do it right.
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I thought the characters in bay's other films were cheesy, roll my eyes lame. Sam and Mikaela have charm especially in the first scenes.
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when he does car chases like in Bad Boys 1 & 2 he does what I want, which is long shots where you can actually follow the action. He does do a lot of cutting but he always seems to keep the camera where you want it in the action for long enough.<p>In fact I often notice he moves it more when there is just someone talking.
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in some shots they are. There's two shots that stand out of optimus and bumblebee where you see fragments of light that are darker and lighter across their head and it makes it look ridiculously real. they are believable throughout but those two shots really stand out.
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to ET in terms of humour and tone.<p>I haven't seen it but judging by Bay's other films I'd say it is not of the same standard.<p>The difference is that while Melissa Mathison invested genuine heart, emotion, character and humour into ET with TF it is a case of Bay telling a room of 10 script writers to invest all these qualities into the script.<p>Now the result might come out the same. I cried at the end of Armageddon like a big baby, I laughed my ass off too, and felt genuine emotion for the characters.<p>But it was all due to a team of higly trained script writers knowing the best line for the best point of time in any given moment.<p>ET had genuine heart, TF like Bay's other films has a false heart, just a very well put together false heart.
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to be had up later "today"?
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but, sorry to say, I think you have to have the ability to revert back to your 7 year old self to like it...<p>Yack, you and I have been in the talkbacks long enough that we've seen movies like this come and go, but we've also seen instances where movies have really knocked it out of the park. and I respect your opinion in general, and I respect the fact that you enjoyed this film, but you have to admit, you do have to, in some sense, ignore a LOT of faults in order to enjoy it, right?<p>I liken it to someone saying, "I don't care about Barry Bonds using steroids, he's still the man!"<p>a valid opinion, but still...he ain't Teddy Williams<p>you know what I mean?
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with long tracking shots. I want 4 minute long car chases where the shot does not break once.<p>Speilberg kind of did this with the family argument on the freeway in WOTW, the camer went around the traffic, under the car, through the windscree, all over the place and never cut once.<p>Someone needs to apply this technique to a car chase.<p>I hate the Fast and the furious idea of shot of wheel, shot of driver, shot of exhaust etc, it just takes away all tenision and excitment.
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ohh a few, the first time you see bumblebee in robot form it plays this music and it's magical. Optimus' first appearance, Optimus transforming on the freeway, Ironhide transforming on his way to fight devastator/brawl, this scene involving optimus and a building. and of course the biggest. Starscream's air battle.
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Turturro was pretty funny, I agree. I said as much in my review. I think he was drunk though, the only way for him to allow himself to be in a Bay film.<p>and Shia was gold, this movie would have been LOADS worse without him salvaging a lot of the humor and dialogue. of course, he was Spielberg's choice. ;o)<p>one of the only good things I take away from seeing this is that I'm TOTALLY excited for Indy 4. even with greasers, Shia is going to be quality.
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I have to say it is similar to ET and back to the future in many parts, and you can't really judge it by bay's previous work because spielberg definitely had involvement. Yeah it's hard to grasp but the characters are directed differently than the other pieces of shit he has done. All the stuff with Sam and Mikaela is well acted and charming rather than roll your eyes out like in armageddon and his other films. <p> and as for the long tracking shot, have you not seen the car chase in children of men???
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and they Bumble Bee Talking he had like three lines or something and he sounds like a Old man WTF is this.
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I know it's weird that we both enjoyed the movie so much. But I have to say I wouldn't put it in similarities to The Mummy. The mummy was fun and I watch it when it's on tv because it's well paced and fun to watch but it's still pretty empty, this doesn't feel as empty and feels more like Spidey 1. And i'm surprised that the scenes with Sam and Mikaela were nowhere near as cheesy as they read in the script and I don't think they could have been directed any better, seemed like Old Zemeckis.
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that's a complaint, his voice. But as a character he's great, he's like the old bumblebee, vunerable and likeable but more of a teenager than a child. Like when he is introduced by Prime he starts pretending to box and jump on the spot whilst playing this 80's hip hop song.
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but what i want is a car chase like the one in Bad Boys 2 but done with one single shot, that would really blow us away.<p>BadMrWonka - you say Turturro must have been drunk when he agreed to do a Bay film.<p>I have always found tha a lot of very respectible actors jump to do a bay film. Look at the cast of armageddon...<p>Bruce Willis, Billy Bob Thornton, Ben Affleck, Liv Tyler, Owen Wilson, Will Patton, Steve Buscemi, Michael Clarke Duncan, Peter Stormare.<p>A lot of actors like Buscemi and Peter Stormare (who remember where only really big for Fargo at the time) only seem to do these type of movies when Bay asks them.<p>Nichols Cage only ever seemed to do action if Bruckheimer was involved.
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He lost his leg, he was in pain..
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you made a good point, but then invalidated it when you included Liv Tyler, Owen Wilson, and Michael Clarke Duncan in your list. ;o)<p>and Buscemi will do anything. Big Daddy, anyone? Stormare I think has a serious alcohol problem and is not sure which movie he's in at any given point. Willis HATES Bay, so that doens't help the cause.<p>as soon as Cate Blanchett and Benecio del Toro act in a Bay film, I'll eat my own face.
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i first saw Ronin that i thought 'I haven't felt this same sensation of speed in a car chase since the car chase at the end of Bad Boys.'.<p>Bay does have more explosions and unrealistic stuff but he always has a great sense of speed in his chases, something a lot of films can't pull off.
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to be up "today"?? Start the mother of all talkbacks already.
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I know, I know...a joke that's really ...old. But seriously, look at THIS: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=21635
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good friends with Adam Sandler, he is in a few of his films. Anyway my point is a lot of these actors don't do these films normally. Look at the Island, deffinately not McGregor or Scarlet Johansens usual fodder.<p>And i wouldn't be surprised to see Del Toro or Blanchet in a Bay film. He must hypnotise them or something.
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you see what I mean?
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Where the fuck are now the haters? BOUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <p> michael bay BRING IT
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dissapointed me at first because it was just to happy and simple for a sci-fi film of it's type but now when i re-watch it I have loads of fun.
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because you didn't say what was even wrong with the film. Why even post or submit if you don't say anything?<p>I hate people who say every film they see that they don't like is the worst film ever, X3 was bad, especially compared to the first 2 but I could probably list hundreds of films that are worse.
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...just because he's playing older, doesn't mean he has to go Snow White...Maybe that's where the alien crystals and din osaurs come in : )
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Can't wait for him to be dragged from his comfortable teaching life into a big action adventure.<p>And for once i'm actually looking forward to the - old guy/young guy dynamic between him and La Beouf.
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good call...I just looked at a couple other spy pics of them not "in action" and Ford was just c hillin' and smilin' and it made me feel like he was completely content (as a character) just being nerdtastic living out his years imparting archeological love to the ungrateful youth...and it all goes to shit and he's forced to be hoss again...hair be damned. I think (hope?) Spielberg will work some authentic magic...to make it work.
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ford's hair colour!<p>Why shouldn't a 65 year old man have white hair?<p>Also it is bound to look whiter when he's speeding along on a bike and it's all being blown back.<p>I can't wait to see Indy trying to adjust to a new world and being all old-fashioned.<p>We have had the old guy in modern times meets young guy dynamic many times before except it is usually a contemporary movie.<p>This time the young guy won't be all ipod-hiphoped up on his rock-em-sock-em robots and gameboy hula hoops furbys and what ever else kids sniff these days because it is set in the 50's.<p>So we have the young-old dynamic (which, news flash, works when done right and that is why it is used a lot) except because it is not forced into modern day settings it will feel fresh.
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wrong but why not explain why specifically that is your opinion.<p>What aspects of the film didn't work for you and why?
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is he bang on 50 in it? Why isn't he playing his own age?<p>Still plenty of 50 year olds have white hair, especially back then. Hell one of my best mates is 41 and had white hair.
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I will see this probably in the theater but Since the Don is a Dick it will be 4 Free.
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so that makes him, er, erm, um, wait-a-second, yes, nearly there, jus, let, me, think, for, a, second, errrrr....<p>58!<p>Well I suppose that is only 6 years younger.
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...with that first review? It killed it for me because it screamed "high school drop out" and "I flip burgers."
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you still only managed to say about three things in all of that though.<p>Do you jump up and down while typing or something?<p>What I don't get is if you hate this type of film and Bay's style so much why did you go and see it at all?<p>You must have been expecting cheese, illogical plotting and over the top editing. And from what most people say it is a lot more fun than shit like FF:ROTSS and a lot less cheesy and dumb than Bay's previous films.<p>I do agree with you on the 'phoned in' aspect of performances. In Bay's films he seems to concentrate on getting great turns out of some actors (La Beouf in this) and then refuses to even give direction to all the background government types etc.
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with any good performances in his films. sometimes...well, almost all the time, it smacks of actors trying to do SO well, that they can somehow elevate themselves out of a Michael Bay film...Shia almost did it. Martin Lawrnece came even closer. Ewan MacGregor was actually REALLY doing it, until he had to be his doppleganger with a new accent. then it all came crashing down, Jenga-style...
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anyway nite all.
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Something Tells me Bay will go all Drumline and drop the sticks Bay Has alot of movies on his plate And dreamwork will probably want the sequel By 2010 Damn I feel old as shit seeing that Year in print God where are my flying cars already?
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Actually i did graduate high school. And I don't flip burgers, I record music. Dickhead I was writing the review not as a boring professional reviewer whose opinions I don't take seriously since I should judge for myself, but as a well known detractor of this project who knows the concerns of everyone on this site, I wrote it for them, from that point of view. Eat shit.
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Actually i did graduate high school. And I don't flip burgers, I record music. Dickhead I was writing the review not as a boring professional reviewer whose opinions I don't take seriously since I should judge for myself, but as a well known detractor of this project who knows the concerns of everyone on this site, I wrote it for them, from that point of view. Eat shit.
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I think he will return, if he did for bad boys then this one most likely, especially considering people would actually want him back for a movie(that's a first). I just hope he doesn't fuck up the dinobots.
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I made fun of you SO much earlier in the talkback...<p>I'd say it's not even fiunny...but it is funny...
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I am also in the music industry. Funny. You own a studio? Where abouts are you? How old if you don't mind me asking? And other then record music do you also make your own? <BR> <BR> I am in Baltimore. I use Mac/Garage/Pro-tools/Reason
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They left because "FuckMichaelBay" is an illiterate douche' who couldn't stream a coherent thought together if his life depended on it. We get it, you didn't like the movie, but I'm sorry.....just because you say it's the worst movie ever, it doesn't mean it's true. It's your "opinion" look up the definition and spend less time being a piss-poor message board dwelling troll.
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You seem a little bitter that someone on here had the balls to say they liked something that they originally felt they may not like at all. I bet you are one of the cocksmokers in disguise that has been on these TB's for months bringing the hatefest against this movie with Messi only to feel let down that he actually went in and came back out enjoying himself and crushing your crusade to try and shit on everyone else's parade. Well boo fucking hoo you big cry baby. You sound more like a an idiot then anyone right now and are a total fucking hypocrite for your very post more or less doing exactly what you are accusing Messi of doing by attacking him because his opinion differs from your own. Fucking tard. Go back to beating off to your G1 fantasy from the 1980's. I am going to go see the best Summer movie in a long time and enjoy myself you fucking pus sack.
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I have to agree completely with you. It's either that or he has nothing better to do then troll around the talkbacks because his life is THAT pathetic. Bananna Hammock....If someone's a douche, I guarantee I'll call em on it.
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Saw this Saturday night here in Oz, and I was blown away. This movie thoroughly entertained me and my mates – hell, it thoroughly entertained the entire audience judging by their reactions throughout the movie.<p> The plethora of reviews Mori gave us gives you a pretty good indication how good this film is, with the majority of reviews being positive – and the only negative reviews come from diehard “Bay-hater” geeks trying to save face. Kudos to Yackbacker for a very honest review, one that I’d have to agree with (both the positive and negative points). Messi, you came close, but when you quibble over things that ultimately have no impact on the film at all (flames on Optimus, anyone?) then it seems you’re grasping at straws.<p> A few reviewers mentioned not being able to keep track what was going on during the fight sequences – I’m not sure where they’re coming from because I found that to be one of the strong points of the film – I never felt lost or unsure of who was fighting who, mostly due to the level of detail used for the transformers. Each face was distinctive, and if you couldn’t see the face you could at least identify parts of the vehicle they transform into to be able to work out who was who during action scenes. Usually for me, CG effects stick out like sore thumb, even in the LOTR films or ROTS, but in this movie I could barely tell the difference – they really are that good. <p>As for those bitching about the story – personally, I don’t really look for an incredible narrative when going to see an action film. I’ll leave that to films like Pan’s Labyrinth. Spiderman 3 and POTC3 had more plot than Transformers, yet Transformers shits all over those two films in terms of quality and entertainment value. It’s a film based on a cartoon series which were little more than glorified advertisements for a range of toys. A reviewer above (I think it was the same virgin who put a quote from the old Transformers animated film at the top of their review) referred to “the comprehensive tome of Transformer lore” - is that the 6-page booklet which tells you how to change it from a vehicle back to a robot?<p>As for the dialogue – yes, there is cheese and some bad jokes. But most of it works, or at least it did for me and the audience I was with, since the film doesn’t try to take itself too seriously. It’s no Armageddon, that’s for sure (and thank god). One of my friends even said to me as we were leaving the cinema: “I didn’t think it would be that funny.” As for the “my bad” stuff, it could have been worse. Considering that the Autobots learned our language from the world wide web, we’re lucky Optimus didn’t say “OMFG! My b4xor!! I’m such a noob!!! Lollerz!!!! OMGWTFBBQKK!!!!!”. In fact, we were lucky to be able to understand them at all.<p> I loved this movie. My younger brother, who still collects the toys and watches the old cartoons (while in his mid 20s!), loved this movie. My friends, who remembered nothing of the old Transformers except the theme tune (and that Autobots=good, Decepticons=bad), loved this movie. All of you will see it, even the ones adamant they won’t. Why? Because I said so, dumb ass - why else?
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if you followed my review and knew of my opinions on the production of this movie, i was merely bringing up all the concerns of people on this site. I didn't review this as a fan or myself, but as an aicn detractor.
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did you repeat that post. It's fine when you have opinions but it's obvious you are being biased if you say this is the worst movie ever, there is no way on earth someone could believe that, no matter if it's only improbable. You telling me this is worse than Epic Movie? How could you seriously believe that. Couple with the crazy attacks you got going I don't believe you.
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"so the following things are "high brow criteria?": a plot that makes sense"<p> Are you saying TF DOESN'T make sense?! Did you have a hard time following it?! "pacing that doesn't make you throw things at the screen"<p> Well, that's YOUR opinion. If you like slow-paced films, don't watch TF's - go and see some French Arthouse.<p> "effects that you can actually see, not just a huge blur crashing back and forth"<p> I haven't had any problems seeing the effects on the many clips I have seen. Plus, the effects are one of the things this film is being praised for.<p> "writing that doesn't sound like a 12 year old high on Mountain Dew wrote it?"<p> Can't comment on that - haven't seen the film.<p> "any type of resolution to ANY characters besides one?"<p> When I read the script, everything seems pretty much resolved at the end, with the door left open for a sequel.<p> "camera shots on important people and events, rather than whichever product paid the most money for screen time?"<p> Again, I can't comment not having seen the film, but I would suggest that you're exaggerating. Besides, I never really notice product placement in films anyway.<p> "yeah, I guess I'm an elitist snob for wanting things like that in a film...you jackass."<p> No, I'd suggest you are imposing an unrealistic set of your own standards and opinions on a film which you were pre-disposed to hate... you cockarse.<p> "I'm sure you will love Transformers."<p> So am I.<p> "just make sure you buy your Mountain Dew before you turn your tiny brain off."<p> Unfortunately, Mountain Dew is not available in the UK, however I did enjoy many ice-cold cans of it on Exercise in the Omani desert back in '01. As for my tiny brain; I've probably killed more brain cells with drink than you'll ever HAVE.<p> "that is the ONLY way to enjoy this film. anyone over the age of 12 that cna sit through it without rolling their eyes athow illogical and badly written it is, has that ability. *click*! ok, brain's off. bring on the robots. I don't have the ability."<p> Well, the only person I actually accused of being a snob was MoM, but after that last paragraph you've basically just demonstrated my point for me. Cheers! And there's me thinking it WASN'T a crime to enjoy entertainment for entertainment's sake...<p> "but I'm sure you do,"<p> Yup. "and I wish you a good time lining Bay's pimp pockets."<p> Thank you! I hope Bay spends it on something he really enjoys, like coke, or prostitutes, or coke-covered prostitutes.<p> "hopefully he'll make Bad Boys III for you, before he does the Crapformers sequel"<p> I hope not, because I didn't like Bad Boys II - it went on FAR too long, and bored me to tears.<p> "...then you can have a real jizzfest HIGH OCTANE THRILL RIDE!!! DERRRRRRRRR"<p> No, I'll wait for the TF's sequel.
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i do not own a studio, no time for my own thing. i do record my own music, right now it's of the boris, earth doom variety. As for what i like to personally use, the mac, pro tools, reaktor, reason is fun to use but i don't really like how it sounds.
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not that my outsider comedy rock is all that good anyway haha. Messi where you located?
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Now bring on that Voltron movie! Directed by Uwe Boll.
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a bit more if they hadn't gone stereotype with the soundtrack and actually did something different with it other than the usual cheesey Michael Bay shlocky pop music of the day.
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What would you have preferred on the Soundtrack, given that TF's 86 used the even CHEESIER music of the day?
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...but I do think there are alot more bands out there who would have made some more fitting/better music, M.F. Doom, any Dangermouse band (Gorrilaz Gnarls Barkley), Fantomas, Melvins, Oh No!, Jurrasic 5, Neurosis, Feist, Broken Social Scene, and that's just a start of bands that are better than the stuff on the soundtrack.
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Are the only two bands I have heard of in your list! I hate Gorrillaz...<p> Some Iron Maiden wouldn't have gone amiss I reckon...
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score for that matter. Would've loved for them to get a stronger composer for it, Jablonsky isn't terrible but he doesn't stand out either.
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mark walberg singing You Got The Touch over any Linkin Park anyday.
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Maiden and Dragonforce??? Hell yeah!!! But you know this bad boy would seriously NEED some Slayer (Angel of Death could be used any time Megatron's on screen.)in there too. hey, I can dream can't I?
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I just think there are elements that got dropped that really shouldn't have gotten dropped. It's kind of like the end of Star Trek Nemesis where they tell you the fleet is just on the other side of the nebula but they can't be contacted and you hope for that big ship battle but get the same thing as in every other film.
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hahaha the only person in the world who has a chance of putting neurosis in a film is me. chances of it even being considered for transformers are minimal. i hate linkin park but i have to admit the song they use, it's intro is used for the final scene, it really works. And yeah i would like dragonforce too, make them do the theme song. ha. bit tongue in cheek though. no theme song in the movie.
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half the score is really good, the autobot motif/batman begins theme is great. the choral parts like when blackout attacks. the other parts like the bay/b grade hans zimmer, not so good but for the most part. decent.
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...standpoint. Why drop the fucking ball on the soundtrack of a movie this big. You know it's going to be an event movie so why the fuck not get a main-eventer composer. Not saying John Williams necessarily but there have to be better people than Jablonsky that he could have called on.
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...I am really tired of not being able to check out and just watch dumb movies anymore. It started in college when I took my first film course and went downhill from there. It's weird really I can get into dumb movies from when I was younger (street fighter for instance) but now, I just get annoyed with it. Maybe it's because I know so many people who should be making films like this, maybe it's because I know what kind of money gets thrown around so I hold them to higher expectations. But I know that it got progressivley worse when I started reviewing films on a regular basis.
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and didn't give a shit about story, and just wanted to see dumb action.
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even when i was a kid i didn't like street fighter. there's an easy way to enjoy movies, you just have to remember why you used to watch films in the first place, to change your life? to analyze the human condition. no. to be entertained. But like i said this isn't really a dumb movie.
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...is it just me or does he sound more like Unicron?
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you are, truly, the target audience for this shitty movie.<p>enjoy it...
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Do you think that when they make the sequel they will learn from the misteps of this one and fix some of the problems or do you think we'll just get more of the same?
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he didn't use cunce once. It's some fucking studio plant posing as messi.
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Don't sweat these self important fanboys ripping into you. Props to you (even though I was a bit critical)for putting your opinion on the line. You knew it would happen, didn't you? These dorks are just pissed because you beat them to it. If we stop posting our opinions for fear of getting abused, this site would be boring and we'd all be stuck in mom's basement.
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should only be allowed to be a second unit director. They should have given this to the guy who did V for Vendetta.
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you see the problems don't bring down the movie, the good parts are real good. and the misteps are things that can be fixed for part 2. if anything i can imagine it being bigger with a bigger budget(really i cannot believe this cost 150 mil). We can hope the misteps are fixed but it doesn't need a reboot.
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That's the biggest one for me. I think it's a complete mistake in my book to focus on the humans. I just worry when I see it I'm going to be completely irritated by wanting to see the robots and being forced through 40 minutes of people to see 5 minutes of robot then sitting through another 40 minutes then getting maybe ten minutes of robot.
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wouldn't have been able to do some of the stuff in this, scorponock ejecting from blackout, prime transforming on the freeway, prime and the building and starscreams air battle. Bay just needs a producer to slap him around. More Spielberg. Maybe that's why it worked.
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Reloaded, he did the highway scene so I think he coulda handled it.
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the second half has the transformers virtually throughout the whole thing, the third act is all robots. yeah i'm surprised there is so much. would be better if there was more but it isn't as human centric as the script suggests. and maybe if they had more money there would be even more robots.
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the novel, they're hardly in it.
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...when I saw that all I could think is "when I go to see AVP I want to see AVP."
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there's no possible way to write down some of the action sequences. never take a novel into account. how do you 'write' starscream's air battle. or ironhide's attack on brawl/devastator. For example the line you brought up that bugged you in the novel i didn't notice the first time, i looked out for it when i saw it again and you don't even notice it, shia just says it like any other line.
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that's me. i wrote cunce in my review, it's as the end, i just thought if i said shit like i usually do, the review wouldn't get posted.
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...gotta be up early to wait for the douch bags who are replacing all the doors and windows in our apartment complex to do their thing. Talk to you guys later.
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"you are, truly, the target audience for this shitty movie. enjoy it..."<p> Why, thank you. As I said before, I'm sure I will.<p> Then it's just a case of waiting for The Dark Knight, Watchmen and the TF's sequel.
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glad you enjoyed it. <p>Took balls to admit to being wrong, however, even judging by your and Yack's climbdowns it still sounds like I'll hate it. <p>But I might rent it now.
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they can't fix it. The fucking thing is made and that shitty, mind-numbingly bad script that I just can't get over seems to be (from consensus) 80% of the film. <p>BTW worst product placement ever= I, Robot. <p> "Converse 1999 vintage", "Nice Shoes". <p>FUCK OFF
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Have a good time.
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I finally get to take your Dad's anal virginity.. <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Yep... worth it
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Gany's dad gave it up years ago!
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If you see this on dvd you will regret it for a long time. buy a ticket to something else and sneak in, but this is unmissable in a theatre.
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the script is real different, i'm reading it now and halfway through, the dialogue is either gone or changed, stories the same but it's executed well on screen.
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Think I will need beer and cigarettes to enjoy it. SOmething you can't get in the cinema
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you'll be kicking yourself not watching starscreams air battle on the big screen, and that long shot of blackout and the entire third act.
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which is essential when watching garbage. Lucky my TV is big, loud and good.
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it's the most entertaining garbage i've ever seen. it's the new jurassic park.
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those kids made me feel ill.
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I definitely was on the fence before, holding out hope, but after reading what you guys have written, I'm upgrading my mood to "cautiously optimistic." Sounds like my thinking was confirmed: Bay was the right dude for the job.
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after reading your and yack's review added with Massawyrm's review (I'm sorry but Mori didn't get the appeal of the original so he's the exact audience for the film)I'm getting a little more curious, but still quite concerned and you know I've been hollering to the skys about this thing looking to be shit.
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i'm rereading the old script now and it's very different, alot of the dialogue is different or gone and i realize now how much a small line can make a difference. The scenes at the start with Sam and Mikaela are rudimentary in the script yet they play out with incredible charm like back to the future or something. Also how much Cullen's voice mattered in bringing Prime to life. AND HOW MUCH STARSCREAM'S BATTLE OWNED!!!
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then compare it more to spidey 1 unless you hate that too.
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the cunt's just screaming nonsense.
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I needed to say it.
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DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY DENIS!
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So you mean that he didn't have a steel mullet, turn into a gun and put himself into the hands of the guy most likely to betray him, or shriek "Decepticons, retreat!" and run with his tail between his legs at the first sign of trouble?Honestly, you might as well complain about how Jar Jar in Revenge of the Sith is a hollow shell of what he was in Phantom menace, or complain about changes to other beloved characters of the 80s, like Scrappy Doo. Sure the Decepticons have no lines, but it's not like they got any more development in the series. Starscreams only trait was that he was treacherous. That, and he had the voice of a man who smoked a few packs a day for years, gargled broken glass mixed with battery acid, and then inhaled some helium. The others only traits were varying degrees of cowardess, stupidity, and loyalty to Megatron. Quick, what was Soundwave's personality, other than being loyal? Having a cool voice and interesting The Autobots only traits were "this one has a southern accent and is old" and "I'm reckless" and "I'm a stupid dinosaur, but I should be the boss!" and "I'm the one who invents stuff!" If you really want to know how to rape your childhood, just watch the original show again. There are many great cartoons, but this was an '80s toy cartoon, where instead of being a hot girl who likes cars, Megan Fox would play a girl who...is a girl.
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July 3, 2007, 2:45 a.m. C