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Quint aims at DIE HARD 4 and pulls the (gunshot) trigger till it goes click!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here.
You know, when I sat down to watch DIE HARD 4 tonight I expected a fun movie that had little to no similarity to the series I love. And I do love the DIE HARD series. I have always been baffled by the hatred for DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE. DIE HARD 2 is goofy, no doubt. But it’s still a DIE HARD movie.
So, I expected to see a movie that wasn’t really a DIE HARD movie, with a cleaner McClane (a Mr. Clean-er McClane if you’ll allow me a rather obvious and ill-executed bald joke), but that was big and fun in its own way.
What I got was a movie that didn’t resemble DIE HARD, but was a horrible action movie on top of all that.
Listen, I love Bruce Willis and he tries. He really does try to bring McClane to the movie, but they make a few key mistakes that even Willis doing his best can’t overcome.
In previous movies, they’ve surrounded McClane with interesting characters. In DIE HARD you had Reginald VelJohnson as Sgt. Al Powell, the dude that played yuppie scum Ellis, the awesome limo driver, Argyle, Bonnie Bedelia, William Atherton, Paul Gleason and Robert Davi. That’s before you get to the awesome villains. Hans Gruber’s whole team is great, but specifically Alexander Godunov as the bottle of nitroglycerin Karl and Alan Rickman’s iconic turn as Hans Gruber.
In DIE HARD 2 you had a lot of those guys back, including Bedelia and Atherton, but you also had the great casting of John Amos, Franco Nero, William Sadler and Dennis Franz
In DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE you team John McClane with Samuel L. Jackson and the bad guy is played with such great scene-chewing intensity by Jeremy Irons.
So in DIE HARD 4, they pair Willis with Justin Long instead of Sam Jackson. The villain is a meek, unthreatening Timothy Olyphant, Cliff Curtis is the FBI dude that spends the movie going, “Oh, my God! No!” and overacting, and Mary Elizabeth Winstead as McClane’s daughter.
As a villain Maggie Q is given almost nothing to work with, but still manages to make herself the most interesting foe for McClane.
Now, I’m not going to shit on Justin Long. I know a lot of people will want to do that with all that “I’m a Mac” stuff, but it’s not really his fault. His character made more sense in an earlier draft of the script I read, when he was John McClane’s son. You understood the drive McClane has to protect him then, but now he’s really just kind of an annoying sidekick.
Long is a funny guy and he succeeds a few times in making you laugh, but he’s fighting an up hill battle and doesn’t really win that fight.
Mary Elizabeth Winstead is actually much better in this than I expected. She is McClane’s daughter through and through. I could buy her playing Lucy McClane in another movie that isn’t as fucking ridiculous as this one is and I wish I could get the chance to see that movie. I didn’t like her at all in FINAL DESTINATION 3, dug her in DEATH PROOF and really like her here, so I guess she’s getting better or my tastes are getting worse.
Cliff Curtis is really awful in this movie. It’s like they plucked some guy off the street and told him to read lines in front of a camera. That’s really sad because I know he’s a good actor. I’ve seen him do well before, but in this movie he has some of the worst line deliveries of the summer… and yes, that even includes Alba’s turn in FANTASTIC FOUR 2.
Strangely enough, as distracting as he is, Kevin Smith's scene turned out to be one of my favorite pieces of the movie.
The action… It’s big, it’s crazy, it’s masturbatory, it’s hollow. You don’t feel a connection with it like in the previous movies because it’s too big. Yeah, it’s cool to see that car flip over McClane, yeah it’s cool to blow up a helicopter with a cop cruiser, yeah, it’s fun to watch a freeway collapse on top of McClane. But it was so extravagant that I never connected with it. It got cartoony. As cartoony as the ejector seat explosion from DIE HARD 2, the one that was on all the trailers, it felt a million times more real than anything in this one.
Also, every single huge moment in the movie... is in the trailers. Everything. Maybe that added to me not being wowed by anything, because I've seen it before, but really guys... bad move putting every huge scene in the trailer, Fox marketing dudes. Might make for a good opening weekend, but the drop-off's going to be huge once people realize they've seen it all before.
Did I mention that Olyphant is a terrible villain?
Maybe it was the ratings scenario… maybe he was a tougher, more intense guy in the movie they originally shot. Here he’s a guy that gets angry and throws his computer and talks threateningly into a webcam.
Speaking about the rating… yes. You feel the PG-13. The action’s there, but the harshness isn’t. That also adds to the cartoon aspect.
But even worse is that they shot for the R and when the PG-13 got slapped onto it, they had to creatively edit and ADR the flick. It’s so obvious. So painfully obvious. Every time Willis has more than one sentence of dialogue, the camera starts radically quick cutting, jumping around to random reaction shots and different angles. Obviously they were trying to hide the PG-13 dialogue not matching with the R-rated lip movements.
Len Wiseman… Oh, Len Wiseman. I’ve heard nothing but good things about Wiseman from people who have worked with him. He’s apparently a super nice guy. I’ve heard the same thing about another director, with the middle initials WS. They don’t just share the same personality, it seems.
There are so many plotholes I lost count. So, the script is lazy on top of everything.
There’s even a bad guy they tried to make the Karl of this movie, but he just came across as ridiculous. The man literally jumps from an exploding helicopter, maybe 15-20 feet in the air, the thing explodes behind him sending him crashing to the ground and he stands right up and walks away like nothing happened. I didn’t know McClane fought Superman in this movie…
It's shaping up to be a really, really lousy summer so far. Damnit… I was really hoping to like this one. Maybe I’m crazy or maybe I’m just getting cynical. I don’t know. This movie is just full of holes, clichés and is so far from what I want from a DIE HARD movie… I can’t give it a pass.
Lower those expectations… even if they’re low already. Maybe then you’ll like the movie more than I did.
-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com
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Nice, unbiased review. I still might see it, but it depends on how bored I am in the next week or two.
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Maybe you do have some journalistic integrity.
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Come on Bruce, try and refute this! What, too busy trying not to think about the fact that ASHTON IS LAUGHING ABOUT YOU EVERY SINGLE NIGHT???
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Like the great Woody Allen Line from Annie Hall. He talks about the old ladies commenting on a resturant they're at. 'The fooods lousy...and such small portions too!'
4.0 let's us down...it's sad. I'm sad, you're sad...we're all fucking sad.
So...Die Hard 5?
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wonder what willis will be adding to the talkbacks now.
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And now Transformers pwns
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I'll have to brace myself for the soul-crushing disappointment of Die Hard 4, followed by the less disappointing but equally bad Transformers.
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I'm done!
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I have respect for him coming here and talking directly to the fans. But unlike Stallone, he doesn't have a good movie to back it up. At least, I don't think he does and the people I was with hated it even more than I did. And like I said in the review, he tries, but I'm just left scratching my head over comments he made like he won't do a fifth movie unless Wiseman comes back for it. He's so wrong for this series. When he makes comments like that, it really makes his chat here feel like a promotion, not a heart-felt interaction, like Stallone's Q&A was.
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So, I have a theory. Is the reason the underworld guy got hired for DH4(It sounds lame just writing it outloud!) is because NOBODY who was around in the DH 1-3 days willing to do another? Could the pg13 rating issue have been VERY well known since the first stages of planning, there by scaring off a decent amount of talent? Hmmm....
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I have a hard time thinking Fox put up millions and THEN decided to pg13 it. Wiseman knew he was making a theatrical pg13 movie.
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played by Andreas Wisniewski coming off right after 1987's The Living Daylights as baddie Necros. for the first guy to be offed by McClane he had a presence. "i promise i vont hurt you... " RATATATATATA
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What say you Quint? Do I wait 6 months for the inevitiable "what you didn't see in the theaters" release?
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Search your feelings, you know this to be true.
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There is no way this movie is worse than Die Hard 3.
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Had legal problems...but not DIRECTING problems. I bet he said he wasn't going to make a pg13 POS, and the the powers that be said, Fine. You're not. Wiseman is!
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Ps Die hard is a christmas movie !
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C'mon, dude. Low, low blow. Willis came here and talked to people on his own time. You can't blame him for the studio re-tooling the movie and kicking it down to PG-13. That's a Marketing Department move, not his. If you're gonna crack on his acting, you're more than welcome to do so after you see the movie. Same goes for the plot-line and everything else. But a cheap crack here not having seen the flick and taking one guy's word for it? Not cool.
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...from th first trailer. All of the gray tones and crap cg.....it just doesn't look like a Die Hard flick y'know?And just the other day I saw a bit of that harrier surfing scene in one of the new tv spots for the first time. Jesus Christ that looks terrible.
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If the studio looked at Robert Rodriguez? Oh, yeah, I bet they did and he said, 'Im not making a pg13 POS. And they said fine. You're not. Wiseman is! lol!!!!
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maybe they didnt get McTiernan back because the only movies he's made since "Die Hard 3" are "The Thirteenth Warrior," "The Thomas Crown Affair," the "Rollerball" remake, and "Basic." That's reason enough for me.
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There is no way on Earth that a pg-13 Die Hard film with a computer genius as the villain, and the "Mac guy" as a sidekick could be even remotely good. What the fuck are you thinking Fox? I will see it on the big screen, but I refuse to pay for it! We Die Hard fans deserve better. Now all I have to look foward to is a Michael Bay movie and the return of Bourne. This summer sucks!
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is this worth seeing for free at least? Cause I'm bored.
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Not really. remember Rataouille?
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DH4 is going to CLEAN UP!
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The feeling I get is they just cut the language. My theory is that they realized after filming wrapped that they put a ton of movie into a movie that was just some "fucks" and "cocksuckers" away from a more lucrative PG-13. I could be completely wrong. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but that's the impression I got.As far as Rotten Tomatoes goes... I'm glad other people liked it. I thought it was really bad. I guess you guys'll find out which side of the line you're on when you see it.
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That should be "money into a movie" not "movie into a movie." Curses!
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I saw this at a screening last night-- it's not nearly as bad as Quint is making it out to be. Timothy Olyphant is definitely disappointing as the main villain, but it's not his fault. He's given nothing to work with-- no great lines, no scenes of shocking violence, no interesting back-story, and (SPOILER) a pretty second-rate death. THAT SAID...Justin Long is surprisingly hilarious, and Maggie Q is kickass. Mary Winstead is super hot and totally legit as McClane's daughter, which thrilled me.
The action scenes in this film are AWESOME. Literally clap your hands and cheer awesome. The kind of action scenes that make you laugh with delight because you don't know how else to react. In the end, I feel that this is a better paced movie than Die Hard 2 and much more fun than Die Hard 3. Still not nearly as good as the original, but that's no surprise.
Don't get sucked into the hate-machine. This movie is a shitload of fun. As I've been telling my friends, it rates 4 stars as an action movie, and 3 stars as a Die Hard movie, if that makes sense.
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The guy is fucking terrible. The Underworld films, which are about fucking Vampires and Werewolves fighting mind you, are so boring they might as well be Merchant-Ivory pictures. An absolutely pathetic director.
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but those may be "payola" reviews...wait until it is released to see a true consensus.
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That's the hope isn't it? Best intentions were held. Obviously FOX had everybody, including BW agree to the possibility of pg13 before production got funded.
Somewhere it said, unless you want to get sued...shoot these scenes this way. Everybodys happy.
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Y'know, there's this thing called the internet now and if you ask it questions like "Who played Ellis in DIE HARD?", it'll tell you. Then you'd find out and think "Ok, his name was Hart Bochner. That'll lend credibility to my comments about how the cast and characters of the DIE HARD movies were interesting, as in 'they were so interesting, I remembered who they were' And hey, look at this, he directed PCU." *** I'm not disappointed by this review and taking it out on you or anything, huh?
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DH4.$ is getting everybody promoted.
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This movie is just asking to be panned by snooty film critics, and the fact that it is universally praised says a LOT in my book. I have never fallen in line with what Quint says anyway, so there you go.
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made by Tarantino and Rodriguez. Doesn't matter which one directs or writes, though preferably on this one I guess QT write and Robert direct. They already know how to get the best performances out of Bruce and have the clout to make a studio release an R rated movie. Temporarily not the clout to do a 3 hour plus R rated movie though. Danny Trejo as your Karl. Banderas and/or Hayek and/or Daryl Hannah as your main villain(s). I'd have said Michael Madsen but Jesus save us Bloodrayne ruined that for me. Rose McGowan as McClane's daughter turned stripper.
What's left to hijack? Who cares. Maybe they take SeaWorld SanAntonio hostage and Bruce coaxes Shamu to leap in the air and take out a threatening Harrier jump jet. Or maybe everybody just realizes that a landlocked Sea park is fuqing retarded and goes home to "run a train" on the young McClane girl. OK, so I'll never get to run a movie studio obviously because that would be the best movie ever. Until Joel Schumacher gets his chance at the franchise so we could see what a true Hollywood genius could do. -
critics couldn't be more out of touch in terms of reviewing genre films if they tried. Stuffy newspaper critics have absolutely no idea what makes an action film good, bad, or otherwise. This is especially evident in comic book films, reading reviews of a comic flick from major reviewers is like watching a monkey fucking a football. They clearly just have no eye for decent action directing or writing when watching these films. Therefore in regards to rotten tomatoes it has to be disregarded completely. Read Quints review, its all there from someone who knows what he is talking about and someone well versed in the franchise laying it out detail for detail. I would bet he's a lot more qualified and has a much better eye than any professional critic in this regard.
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Yes!!!!
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Die Hard 3 was a solid action movie. I mean yeah it gets a little out of hand as the movie moves forward, but damn was it at least well thought out, and well shot. I will see LFODH this week, but I have a bad feeling about it. The whole Pg-13 thing is making me worry, and the fact that the action looks so over the top has me a little pissed. If it's as over the top as it looks then this movie had no business being made, period. I wouldn't be surprised if they offered the movie to other directors with the pg-13 thing scared them off. I'll see for myself this Friday!
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I'll side with Quint over BW. I think it's Ok to want more. Shit...it's no surprise Wiseman, even if BW says he can. I don't think they'll watch this flick as many times as we will anyway.
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I was serious about everything except the Schumacher part. I am still pissed at Harry for having Phantom of the Opera at BNAT that time! Batman and Robin Forever! OMG!
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Why don't you just say Mom?
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make it so mr quint ....
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But then I read what everyone is saying and all I can think is YOU ARE ALL FUCKING TARDS AND LOSERS. Sorry. I just can't take any more bitter losers ranting about how bad shit is when they aren't out there doing anything better.
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I'll side with Quint over BW. I think it's Ok to want more. Shit...it's no surprise Wiseman, even if BW says he can, CANT DO DH. I don't think they'll watch this flick as many times as we will anyway.
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that's pretty high for a bad summer action flick.
I am now very confused. I guess I'll have to see it for my self, YIPPEKAYAYMUTHA...BANG! -
The Kevin Smith messageboards are rife with people amped up for this cinematic atrocity.
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who else watches as many movies as us retards and losers?!? We're paying these peoples' mortgages and we like it.
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Maybe the sequels and big blockbusters. But there are great films out there and more to come. Knocked Up, La Vie En Rose, Ratatouille, Sicko, The Savages, Superbad, Once, Rocket Science, Paprika. And then some good movies that have problems but are interesting and above average: Eagle vs. Shark, The Ten, You Kill Me, 1408, Ocean's 13, A Mighty Heart, I could go on. I'm seeing Die Hard 4 tomorrow. I, like Quint, am hoping for at least a fun movie. I hope I get one. But I know that if it sucks, there is a lot more to fall back on than people are suggesting.
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Maybe the sequels and big blockbusters. But there are great films out there and more to come. Knocked Up, La Vie En Rose, Ratatouille, Sicko, The Savages, Superbad, Once, Rocket Science, Paprika. And then some good movies that have problems but are interesting and above average: Eagle vs. Shark, The Ten, You Kill Me, 1408, Ocean's 13, A Mighty Heart, I could go on. I'm seeing Die Hard 4 tomorrow. I, like Quint, am hoping for at least a fun movie. I hope I get one. But I know that if it sucks, there is a lot more to fall back on than people are suggesting.
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The Kevin Smith message boards are rife with people amped up for this cinematic atrocity.
The mind boggles...
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"Here he’s a guy that gets angry and throws his computer and talks threateningly into a webcam."
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i think that the old school action era is finally dead.we are never going to get again movies like die hard,lethal weapon,commando,48 hours,predator and so on.the world has changed and unfortunately it has changed to the worst.
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And again the PRICKS come out to play. We're movie fans, cunt lips. We want to LIKE a movie that comes out. It was made for us to watch and enjoy. Just cos we're not making movies, it doesn't mean we can't critisise 'em. You go to a restaurant and you're given shit to eat by the waiter - do you NOT complain cos you couldn't do any better, or do you complain cos you PAID A TENNER for the food and it tastes like the hair around a dog's anus? Bass Bastardson, I'm sure you're the kind of person who'd eat it up, slap your stomach, and ask for seconds.
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btw the angry video game nerd has a
review about the die hard nes game.
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see it and judge for myself.
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Did anyone else catch Walter B's appearance on Letterman the other night? WOW. The clip they played was so embarrassingly bad that I actually cringed for Willis. So, I'm going to go ahead and say it:This franchise is officially Juggf(gunshot)!
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...and Mary Elizabeth Winstead = Getting hotter by the minute.
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Oh my gohhhd. Bruce Willis, I have lost all respect for you. One thing to grab a check, another thing to talk to me on AICN and declare this is the best Die Hard since the first. THIS MOVIE FUCKING SUCKKKKKKKS. BOYCOTT. MR. WILLIS, YOU ARE TOAST.
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Bungion - A lot of those movies you listed haven't come out yet, but you're right. There are a lot of decent things... I meant more the summer movies, ie the tentpoles, not every single movie coming out in the summer months. And this is coming from one of the 4 or 5 people that really liked Pirates 3. But you're right. Knocked Up is the great and Superbad is also the great. Comedies are doing well this summer (and will do well when Superbad hits).
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The last 2 Die Hards sucked, so this is no surprise. They should have left this series alone. I like Willis a lot but I hope this movie really bombs. I'm rooting for it to take a huge dump at the box office.
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I'd rather watch the fucking Net 10x than see this again. What a fucking disgrace to '80s babies everywhere. Damn you Bruce! Damn you to straight-to-DVD hell!!!!
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I used to get goosebumps from the fox logo showing up before the movie starts.
All fox does is make kid friendly crap and does not give a rats ass to what the fans want.
AN R rating for Die Hard a good FF2 Movie and an xmen 3 that does not put the focus on Hally sucks ass berry.
I love Die Hard and I have to see the movie but I am just sad that after this I don't think I will see there movies any more screw FOX! -
DH4 is for the die hard franchise,the same thing that the SW PT is for the original star wars trilogy.
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we've been given back our un PC 80s comedies, almost singlehandedly by Apatow and assorted cohorts. Think happy thoughts................................OK, didn't work for me either, you are probably right about the action being dead for a while, until Verhoeven remembers how to make action movies like he used to. Most of the other action greats have died or been castrated. Note: this is not referrring to the fine folks like QT and Robert who still bring us 70s style action movies, they are kicking ass and taking names. Maybe they should focus their trained eyes on the 80s style. The Rock for example is ready to be the star of the next Invasion USA or Robocop or Raw Deal, someone just gotta make it so!
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Quint, thank you for restoring some of my faith in the suspicious payola-or-easing-expectations of Mr. Harry Tubby Knowles. I was afraid you'd defend this one, but you called it out as the dreck it is. WILLIS TRIED TO USE ALL OF US TO GO SEE THIS STEAMING PILE. AND DAMMIT HARRY, I WANT YOUR REVIEW RIGHT NOW. THE PG-13 RATING KILLED THIS. FUCK OFF FOR DEFENDING IT JUST B/C WILLIS GOT WEBCAM HAPPY. VERN, I AM SADDENED FOR YOUR LOSS. MORIARITY, YOU NEED TO STEP UP AND RIP THIS APART WITH A CHAIN GUN OF CRITICISM. what the hell happened to summer 2007? hollywood got sfx-trigger happy and forced out shitty movies like Knocked Up's pussy shot. SUPERBAD, please be my Meatballs of 2007.
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OK. I'll accept that DH4 doesn't live up to the series and even that it's a dissapointing action movie. But come next week... I hope we don't get nothing but praise for Transformers despite the fact it is certain to have the exact same things wrong with it as you list for DH4.
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I don't know what's up with people hating Justin Long for the Mac Commercials. It's a job for him. He did Waiting, Dodgeball, Accepted. He was great in all of those films.
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All you've done Quint it knock my expectations down even more, which can only be a good thing because maybe I'll come out liking it even more. As for the past Die Hards, the only truly great one is the original. Die Hard 2 was a pale imitation, yet still exciting, and Vengeance did not at all feel like a Die Hard movie, but it was an enjoyable actioner nonetheless.I'd say the problem lies in the fact that McClane has ZERO emotional journey in 2, 3, and seemingly 4. In the first one he realized what his life would be like without his wife, therefore giving him reason to grow and change. 2 and 3 was just "stop the bad guys." And the putting his daughter in peril in the fourth just seems to be shoehorning in reasons for us to care, not actually giving us any growth. That being said, I hope that there are at least a few cool explosions. I'll definitely be catching an early matinee.
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Superbad is indeed a winner. I want to watch this again so very badly, so, so very badly. Even the "shows too much" trailer doesn't ruin it at all.
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You can't accept Pg-13 action. For superhero movies, fantasy stuff, and disaster pictures...yes. A movie about a cop wasting criminals with guns? No. Maybe for those who grew up on lame-o Fast and Furious...but it's only because they didn't see Point Break.
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This movie makes fun of nerds ie the hardcore comics/TV/movies audience. You know, the 35 years old virgin boys who never went to a punk gig where 30 skinheads or 30 cops (makes no difference) descended en masse to beat the crap out of all the kids.
You know McClane is the last of it's kind, a guy who actually LIVED hard, not some guy who sit in front of a computer (which I'm doing right now, damn me) and who collect Marvel Toys, comics, Spawn and T3 Figurines.
REAL LIFE. ACTION MAN. ONE SIDE
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-Mister Mystery Guest? Are you still there?
-Yeah, I'm still here. Unless you wanna open the front door for me.
-Uh, no I'm afraid not. But you have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshall Dillon?
-No way man,this is the 00s.I am kinda' partial to a pussified,bald,Neo.I really hate blood stains on my shirt.
-Do you really think you have a chance against us, Mister Chosen One?
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seanny_d in die hard 2,mcclane again tries to save his wife.she was like a prisoner inside a plane.
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I never said that. Re-read that part of the review. I actually like Long as a comedic actor. He hasn't found his project yet, his one perfect role... my favorite he's done is Galaxy Quest, actually, but he hasn't found his big role yet.
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Trust me, save your ticket money and go buy the Die Hard DVD box set instead. This movie is nothing more than a showcase for big action FX (that we've mostly seen before in better movies) with hollow characters and plot holes you could drive a portable hard drive with the world's financial data through (yes, that would be a big gunshot'ing hard drive, or maybe not according to this shit fest movie). Thank you Len W.S. Wisemen for wrapping Die Hard up in a nice plastic wrapper and trying to feed it to us one stupid explosion at a time.
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I Like Len W movies but I think it more for the fact that he had Kate in a nice tight outfit and not that it was a good movie.(Underworlds)
It cracks me up that those Fucks at Fox have been hiding the fact that this movie was a PG -13 movie in there trailers.(this film is not yet rated) hell most people don't know and thats a shame.
It just started showing up recently that this is pg13 talk about low and dirty.
FUCK you FOX YOU SCREW us AT THE MOVIES AND ON THE TV.
(Taking away wonderfalls and firefly)
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Sure, it's not as good as the first (what else is?) but it's far superior to the second one and the vast majority of other action movies.
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Cool movie.Don't believe the bad hype, this is waaaaay better than the summer blockbuster crapfests known as Pirates 3 and Spidey 3.
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i love willis,but i have to agree with the other guys here.he just came here as a damage control tool.he did it because fox asked him to do it in order to promote the movie.and that saddens me because i always thought that willis is a john mcclane in real life too,a person you know you can rely to,a person that you can trust.damn you willis.
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So far the reviews that are coming in at Rotten have been great. Sounds like that will be the clear winner this summer and give us that fix we have all been pining for. Can't get here soon enough.
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it's like eating a bunch of taco bell, and then getting crazy liquid ass afterwards. as you sit on the toilet, are you really surprised?hey, at least the taco bell probably didn't cost you as much as you paid for this movie.
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Oh, I get that. And I did forget to mention that fact that his wife was on the plane. But there was no emotional journey for lack of a better term. Goal: save wife. That's his external goal. What's his internal goal? There isn't one. Blow shit up? That's why no Die Hard has been able to match the first, because in the first, his goal was again to save his wife, but it was also to learn to accept change in his life and to tell his wife what she truly meant to him because she didn't know that point. "She's heard me say I love you a thousand times, but she's never heard me say 'I'm sorry.'" You don't have that in any other of the movies. And I'm not expecting it in LFODH either.
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Everyone's entitled to their opinions. I hope you like you like it more than I did. I don't know if I'd consider myself jaded, but I can tell you I was going in hoping for a fun movie. There are moments in this movie that made me chuckle, but those were greatly outweighed by what didn't work for me. I'm sure we'll have many more opinions in the coming day as more and more people see it and talkback or post their reviews.
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Hollywood needs to make some smaller budget actioners with talented directors. Then they need to become profitable hits. That's the only thing that'll convice the studios to bring them back with the big budget and star power that we remember.
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I've liked Long and Olyphant since I first saw them, back in Scream 2 (and some weird random cop show) and Jeepers Creepers. Don't understand the dislike for the Long's and Leboufs. Think they're pretty great. Levitt and Ben Foster are better than both though, shame they aren't getting the same level of exposure. Then again, Josh Harnett is still in movies, so there is no accounting for taste.
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i disagree seanny_d.in die hard 2 mcclane was very emotional.just remember the scene where he fails to save the airplane which explodes.and then mcclane starts crying.CRYING!!.and after that when he finds in the wreckage, a burned doll,obviously its owner a little girl in the plane,you can see in his eyes that situation becomes deeply personal to him.you can see that he wants the blood of the guys who did this.and ofc in the end of the movie he delivers.
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LOL. :)
Hey, there's politics and then there's entertainment. I'm here 99.999% for the entertainment talk.
DH4 is getting 86% from COC on RT. Sounds like it's not the second coming of John McClane, but it sounds like it's fun. Works for me.
Hell, let's face it. There's never been and there's never gonna be another one in the same league as the first DH. The planets were aligned on that movie. I can enjoy DH2 and DH3, so, I'm expecting to enjoy 4. What can I say. I'm gonna probably enjoy Transformers too.
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I see where you're coming from, but I'd say there's a difference between being emotional and going on an emotional journey. There is no change or personal growth in Die Hard 2. He loves his wife at the beginning, he loves his wife at the end. His external goals are all still the same: save wife, kill bad guys. Sure, he gets angrier along the way, but that doesn't mean there's any more of a change he has to undergo in that one that rivals the first movie.
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That's what we all really want to know. Jason Statham was shaping up to be the next Bruce Willis and then we did Transporter 2. Ouch. Step backwards. From 1-10, how do you rate Transporter 2 and Die Hard 4 as sequels... if their first were 10. It's a relative 10 of course.
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yes i agree with the emotional journey of mcclane in diehard1.and that is what made the movie so good.i just wanted to point out that in die hard2 too we get to see mcclane emotional ,that the movie had some heart too,it wasnt only action.
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I know what you meant. I think we're about on the same page. And true, some of the films I mentioned have not come out yet, but I have seen all the films I listed and can speak to the excellence of them all. Oh man. Can't wait to see Superbad again. It will own the month of August.
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I do remember being excited for The Eaters of the Dead and getting 13th Warrior instead. That was a big blow. So was Timeline. Man. That movie was turned into a PG13 piece of shit. I still love it because a certain Spartan nailed Merrick from the book. And the town and castle was awesome. But goddamn they really fucked that movie's guts out to get a PG13 rating.
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Stallone needs to do John Spartan next. Get Wiseman to direct.
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You can't get thru Battlefield Earth unless you saw it trapped in the theater. I am so loathe to admit that I enjoyed the movie the first time I saw it, but I plead super sugar/caffine popcorn brain glitch because I was working at a theater while in college and we watched it at midnight for a screening(back when you could still do that). I tried to watch it again on dvd... couldn't get past the first half. It's impossible.
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I thought it was awesome! Non stop action, fun, and Bruce Willis can still kick ass. There were definitely flaws, but it still felt like a die hard movie. But at some parts, it was very obvious that they removed the F words, audio actually looked out of sync for a few seconds.
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anyone notice moriarty's quote on an ad for ratatouille on rotten tomatoes? "the best picture of the year by leaps and bounds" - drew mcweeny, aint it cool news
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Seriously. That's how I decide if I'm going to see a movie now. If Mick likes it, I know that I'll hate it. If he hates it, I know that I will love it. In his review of Die Hard, he called it "the best of the series." Really, Mick? Better than the first one? He has no concept of what makes a good genre movie. For the record, "The Dickster" absolutely raved about this movie and FF2, so you be the judge...
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I can almost guarantee it is gonna bomb like the bitch it is. Not only is it a failure creatively, it has ALL the negatives because of its failures. Maybe a big opening weekend like the movies we've seen this summmer (I was surprised how Pirates dragged, yes it wasn't great, I'll admit it), but like all Michael Bay films it will suck and everyone here knows it, the people will know it just like the enlightened here know it.
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There is simple rule that people go by in SF and the rest of the country. Always do the opposite of what Mick MaSalle says. That stupid little man has stood up in his chair for such gems as Spice World and Click, which made his top ten list last year. He's the absolute worst.
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to each with his pain,eh doc_Strange?
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Reny Harlin?
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"INCREDIBLE HULK"...need I say more?
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I thought it was entertaining, not as good as the others, but good fun none the less. I think the problem with people going to the movies is their expectations. In todays world we have production diaries and clips and 8 Final International trailers, each with just a bit more something new than the last. They just keep giving us tastes of the final product, that there's nothing left for the meal. I've adopted a personal philosophy when it comes to movies. I watch the first teaser and the first trailer, and if I decide to read reviews from people whove seen it early I scroll down to their last paragraph and get how they felt about it on the whole, because that's all I really care about. Did you like it or not...yes or no...nuff said. We are pre-ruining our movie going experience by allowing ourselves to be consumed in the advertisements and hype. Start restricting yourselves on what you take in and maybe when you're sitting there you'll get a surprise. I think Hollywood should stop the production diaries and everything for movies, save that shit for the DVD. Gimme a teaser, gimme a trailer, a behind the scenes show a few days before the movie is released and then just let me watch the final product. We'll all be better for it.
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because they wanted to modernize the die hard franchise.so they made it pg13 with the help of a director who knows how to make eye candy stuff for the mass.
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I'd have got him. He's a damn good action director.
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I don't know why, but I am. If this film really does turn out to be a soft non-Die Hard Die Hard film, it will make my inner nerd cry a little bit.On a related note, Quint's comparison between Wiseman and Anderson has made me equally sad.Paul W.S. Anderson + very little talent + every film he's ever made = Mila JovovichLen Wiseman + equally small amount of talent + Underworld Evolution and (possibly) Die Hard 4 = Kate BeckinsaleI am seriously considering turning to whatever the real world equivalent of the dark side is...
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I just came back from a midnight showing here in Indianapolis. The crowd was not sellout, but I'd say it was a good 65-75% full. Now, I had high expectations for this film as well. Going into a DIE HA_D film (note the missing R?) rated PG-13 was not my idea of a good time... But I was quite surprised by how good it was. Regardless of your opinion, mine is that McClane was fully intact in this film. His banter, his humor, his uncanny ability to be in the wrong place at the wrong time - Yeah, at the beginning I would've done without the whole 'watching his daughter' thing, but other than that, this is a weather-worn John McClane. The only thing missing from this film was a few gallons of blood and and about a dozen or so f-bombs. Regarding Timothy Olyphant as the villain (who looks great in the Hitman teaser, by the way - nice to see that blown up on the big screen), yeah he's a wuss. They explained that in his backstory reveal. He's a genius hacker, he's not a weapons expert, he's not a kung-fu master, he's just a computer geek who was "crucified" by his government for wanting to do the right thing, just with a lot of fucking money. That's why he had all the hired goons from "1-800-HENCHMEN" about him. Though, I will concede to your argument about the FBI guys being useless - this film needed to get back to the old formula of having the authorities trying to hinder McClane's attempts to save the day, while McClane (with his trusty sidekick Mac-Boy, who did a decent job, if you ask me). The only big special effect I had a problem with was the sequence with the jet, and McClane doing what he needed to do to live from that - that was an absolute "yeah right" moment. But other than that, I feel it was a decent film, and I hope that come DVD release time, there's an "Unrated" version with maybe some the wet red stuff thrown back in. It could happen. But I digress... Good movie, I recommend it, SISKELS ALL THE WAY AROUND.
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I honestly don't think he was committed to answering Talkback questions like Stallone did. If Stallone was just trying to promote Rocky Balboa, he sure didn't come off that way. He was always very pleasant, answered all the right questions and was an all around gentlemen. We got a few weeks of questions answered and was, in my opinion, the pinnacle of what AICN could do because it is the definitive source of movie gossip. I think most of the guys here tell it like it is and don't sugarcoat anything. For that I respect those guys and Stallone who followed suit admirably.
Alas with Willis, his responses were far and few in between, he didn't seem genuinely interested in any questions people had for him. Honestly, he seemed high on himself from the few responses I read. He didn't take the time to answer 10 questions a day, not even having a secretary write it up, which would have been better than nothing, now what saving grace there could have been for Willis in DH4 has now been squandered by FOX and Wilis indecision to fight for an R rating. And for that there is extreme backlash, a less than competant movie, an uncertain career, and many talkbackers left cold by the experience. -
Your review has depressed me a bit, but I do appreciate the humorous Jesus Quintana reference. Silver lining and that."Eight year olds, dude."
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"he lied to his fans' faces." just shut up. you're just a bunch of geeks who were offended to be send up by that Mac guy with his Spawn figurines and Linkin Kart posters. You're the lying sob's who disses a movie you haven't seen.
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Just got back from one, and on the drive home, I was thinking almost everything Quint just said. It's not a horrible movie, its just not a DIE HARD movie.
* The word 'cartoony' popped into my head more than once during the show.
*No interesting villains.
*Too many big action set pieces (kind of like what happed to all the Pierce Brosnan 007 movies), and not enough of the slow build of the original 3.
* All the dubbing was ridiculous. I felt like I was watching the 'edited for TV' version a few times. It wasn't just noticable, it was distracting.
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I just screened this and thought it was a great actioner a'la the 1980s. Sure the explosions are bigger and the bodycount is higher, but that's the rule of sequels. As for the plot not resembling the earlier films, great! Who needs another Die Hard 1/Under Siege/Passenger 57 retread? This movie kept the action coming and the one-liners were great. My review tomorrow is going to be a B+. Loved it.
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I just screened this and thought it was a great actioner a'la the 1980s. Sure the explosions are bigger and the bodycount is higher, but that's the rule of sequels. As for the plot not resembling the earlier films, great! Who needs another Die Hard 1/Under Siege/Passenger 57 retread? This movie kept the action coming and the one-liners were great. My review tomorrow is going to be a B+. Loved it.
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Just saw the film tonight in SD, Calif. The individual action scenes, minus the jet scene, are exciting, a bit over the top, but really plays well with the McClaine character. But getting from one action scene to the next makes you wish they rewrote the entire MacGuffin. They go too much into hacker stuff and the confusion created by the villain. They forgot the movie is about McClaine and not military/government databases. It's too convoluted and the villain's dialogue is boring. Olyphant essentially brings a bit of his nastiness from the "girl next door" character, and mix it with the stiffness of his "deadwood" character. But what else are you going to do when you're running a crime from behind a computer. He's more menacing than Fisher Stevens in Hackers, but less memorable. :( lol Somebody needs to give him a proper villain roll and let him get nasty with it. He needed to have a brutal fight scene in this film. Instead he's just another "movie hacker."
This film needs far less explanation of the crime, and better dialogue for Olyphant. And the pacing at the end of the film is atrocious. After somewhat enjoying the film for the first 2 acts, it shits out the final act like a constipated septuagenarian. They need to go back and see the original Die Hard and take some notes. This was more of a sequel to Die Hard with a Vengeance then it was a sequel to the original.
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what do you mean you cant watch midnight screenings when working at a movie theatre the night before anymore? im a projectionist at a local movie theatre and we are still required to do that to ensure everything runs smoothly and reels are in order, no misplices, etc. are yall not allowed to do that anymore?
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You get a old school action movie nothing more, nothing less and if you can accept that you can have fun, i did
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My friends are screening it right now. I'm not gonna put myself through the misery. We also have to screen the films at our chain to check for scratches, damaged reels, etc...
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Look, you posted a question mark for each point of your IQ. Good work, son.
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Gonna stay open-minded on this one...
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that would make him smarter than Albert Einstein...
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Jun 27, 2007 3:04:34 AM CDT
Die Hard disappointment has stretched the talkback!
by franklin t marmoset
The sheer weight of Die Hard disappointment and Walter B disillusionment has caused the talkback to swell and buckle under the strain. And that's not even possible anymore! On account of the gaps!
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Anyone who uses thirty-five exclamation points or question marks MUST be a genius, right? ;)
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Len Wiseman-directed Die Hard movie turns out to be rubbish!
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i mean, it was a great action movie but it didn't really feel of a piece with the first two Die Hard movies.
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I do have to agree that this felt more like a sequel to "With A Vengeance" than to the original Die Hard... But I stand by my story - it was a kick-ass action movie.
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I saw the fucking shitty movie and it felt like "Independence day meets Mission impossible!!!! It was just going for the cheap thrills and nothing more. Just because it has great action and effects doesn't make it a really enjoyable movie to set through.
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Please tell me that mean we get your R rated cut?!!
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Cant wait to see Stallone literally tear people to pieces whilst calling all their mothers dirty cunts. Fuck greedy studios watering down our beloved film series.
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... for this one will show up whenever I get around to seeing it. Since Fox has long since banned me from all press screenings in LA, I'm not sure when that will be. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe this weekend. Same thing with TRANSFORMERS, lads. Sorry. Wish the studios would just man up and show me the movies and take their chances, but that's the way it is.
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So fuck the geek opinion (most of which haven't even seen the movie yet), I'm gonna go on the overwhelming majority opinion and assume it'll be a fun summer flick.
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You couldn't be more wrong.
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Must suck to be an honest critic if all it's gonna get you is banned from a movie studio's screening. I can't believe they even know what you look like on account of your screen name. But from what I understand, you ain't missing much. No big loss....
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You reveal what we've already known about 20th Century Fox since Rothman took over (that the emperor truly has no clothes) in your "X-Men: The Last Stand" script review and now he's a pissy little ass. Well, he is anyway.
Since Rothman started at the studio in 2000, there's been a steady stream of mindless pablum released by 20th Century Fox over the years - the "Big Momma's House" films, the "Cheaper By The Dozen" remake and its sequel, "Date Movie", "Epic Movie", "Norbit", "The Omen" remake, "Night At The Museum" - to name a few; meanwhile talented directors whose ideas aren't in line with the bland corporate mantra of the studio these days are buried because teenage test audiences "didn't get it" (i.e. Mike Judge's "Idiocracy") or their projects are constantly micromanaged to death until it barely resembles its original conception or it leaves the director resolved never to work with the studio again.
Thankfully, Fox Searchlight and Fox Atomic operate independently of the main studio, with their own president's (Peter Rice is president of Fox Searchlight, Debbie Liebling of Fox Atomic), as these days most of the films these two specialty divisions release are much better than the rank offal the main studio releases.
As for "Live Free Or Die Hard", I'll wait for the "UNRATED" DVD, which will consist of digitally-added blood to the action scenes - http://tinyurl.com/2jwt7h - and probably three minutes of footage not screened for the MPAA, which is all the "UNRATED" stamp means.
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Check out the BBFC web-site for it rating decision "Contains frequent action violence and one use of strong language" So no, same version as Quint and the rest of the US will see i.e. pussified version. I'm with others saying it on the TB you will see the 'intended' version on DVD in 3 months. This seems to be the pattern with most films these days. I remember when a hardcore action movie had swearing, graphic violence and if you were very lucky, sex. The chances of us seeing the likes of Total Recall, the first Die Hard, Predator and others of that ilk are now minimal. The corporations, marketing depts and suits are now in charge of movies from the big studios, only caring for that first opening weekend, getting the punters in with promises of wanton violence and destruction, then stiffing them so the 'moral majority' aren't offended by anything 'naughty' in the film. Apart from adult drama's and Gore-Porn, nothing seems to get an 18 cert in the UK anymore. I can't remember in the last 5-6 years when a pure action film got an 18 (well maybe Kill Bill). And its not because the BBFC are not as stringent as they used to be, its rather than no one makes and submits them anymore. Sad days indeed.
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Fred Topel of Can magazine says this about DH4 : "There is more carnage in this movie than in any R-rated film I can remember. Really, PG-13 is the new R. They play a sound effect over the MF but you know what he's saying..." Is he right? Are PG-13 films that violent, but you just can't say "fuck" in them? God, we are really stupid about what we restrict in this country. Chop someone's head off and it's cool but show people having sex and it's XXX! Kill a hooker in GTA4, that's okay, but fuck her and it's AO! I love living with Puritans in this day and age...
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"Norbit" was released by Paramount, not 20th Century Fox. Details are details, even when it comes to shitty movies.
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Hotter than Megabotron. Anyway, does McClane smoke cigarettes in this movie?
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Very sad days indeed!
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I can't fucking spell for shit today. Sorry!!
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Quint's always consistent IMHO, I'm a fan of the series so far and don't want to be depressed by what generally sounds like a compromised and inferior addition to the DH cannon. I think the Bourne Ultimatum is going to be the saving grace of this summer's rosta of event flicks.
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I've seen it. While McClane is undoubtedly watered down for a younger audience this is still a solid action flick with plenty to entertain folk. Whilst I would've liked to have seen a mouthier McClane, it still works regardless. Some of you people had it in for this film from the fucking day Wiseman was announced as the director, and never gave the guy a chance. Also, your hatred for things fox is becoming tiresome. I did not love this movie, and I doubt few will; but it is NOWHERE near as bad as Quint is making out.
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...and fucking loved it. It's a great summer popcorn action flick with explosions galore and Bruce Willis killing people in imaginative ways. Anyone who dislikes this movie probably thinks that dubbed, black-and-white French arthouse films are "deep". These kind of people are truly the chemotherapy on the cancer of fun. Get bent.
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I'll say!!!!!!!!
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Can't you ever just go see a movie and enjoy it without demanding Sir Laurence Olivier-esque performances out of everyone involved? I mean GodDAMN.
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Sure, die hard 2 was a fucking disgrace but that bit was cool ! Anyway this reveiw pretty much confirms my suspicions about die hard 4 . I guess its up to stallone to restore our faith in the senior ass kickers with rambo 4. And if he fails then its up to harrison ford with indy 4. And if he dissapoints then its up to ....... I dont know , don the dragon wilson ?
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Though I didn't hate it. Disappointed, yes, but only when stacked against the other 3 die hards. When i compare it to other shoot em up PG-13 action movies like Bait or whatever, it ranks favorably.
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and neither can Stallone. Anyone know if he's going to do a Q&A with us again?
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I thought it was a horrible idea when I first heard it, but I really liked Rocky Balboa, so maybe he can do the same trick again. Also, I re-watched First Blood the other week and it's a surprisingly good film. Really solid action, some genuine substance to it (reflections on Vietnam and the poor treatment of veterans), and a pretty good performance by Stallone. If he can make this new sequel more like the first one, which is what he did with Rocky Balboa, then I reckon it'll be a really good one.P.S. Die Hard. On topic.
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its much better than 2 and 3. Its ridiculous but oh so entertaining. Things blow up, McClane talks smack, and lots of bad guys die but on a more epic scale then we are used to with Die Hard.
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Remake being made now for Fall 2008. Starring Mandy Moore in the main role as the news anchor. This time the werewolves will be all CGI!!! Directed by Mark Steven Johnson!
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I really liked it! It was the first summer sequel that I want to see again. For me the PG-13 wasn't really an issue. I don't think more blood would have made it more entertaining and I didn't really pay attention to the lack of f bombs. Yes, Timothy Olyphant could have been a better villain, but I don't think that he was a bad actor in the movie. I think he was a victim of the scripting of the bad guy. I think if they would have given his character more of a hands on role like Hans in Die Hard 1, he would have been better. I think that was my only drawback to the movie. I thought the action pieces in the movie were amazing! I think if you go into the movie with the purpose of critiquing all the bad stuff then you are going to not like it regardless. If you go into the movie to have a good time and want to see a great summer actioneer, then you will enjoy it. I thought it was just as entertaining as the previous Die Hard's. Of course nothing beats the original, but this was still really enjoyable.
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It's not bad, actually, and it raised an interesting point: this is a Die Hard that's aimed more for the current generation of action fans who like Michael Bay and prefer to see the cartoonier type of action that's popular these days. He also said that fans of the original Die Hard who were hoping to see something in the same vein are the ones who would be most disappointed.It did make me wonder, is that such a bad thing? Who should they cater a 21st century Die Hard to - us older types who want something with better pacing and characterisation and more realistic action, or the people who fill the cinemas each each week, ie: the types who like cars flipping about all over the shop like they're made out of sponge and frequent super massive explosions at the drop of a hat?
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Must be very naive; enviously so in fact. And I agree with whoever it was who said the early Walter B talkbacks were great. Sure maybe the movie will turn out to be crap, maybe he was hyperbolically describing his experiences filming the movie, and maybe he didn't follow through on one of his statements, but it was still cool while it lasted.
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Where they designed action sequences first and then wrote a story that would somehow incorporate them. Thats why instead of logical progression, we suddenly have a jet blowing up a bridge.
The only part of the whole movie that felt like Die Hard was when they got into the car accident, and McClane looked around and figured out what was going on. I dont know what exactly did it for me, but for 60 seconds or so, i finally had the Die Hard 4 ive been wanting for 12 years. after it went back to being just another action movie only with the master onscreen. -
I agree with a lot of what you have said in these talkbacks, but are you seriously suggesting that a person has not achieved manhood unless they have been assaulted by a bevy of cops or skinheads?
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didn't see this coming. Honestmind you, I generally disagree with Quint so this gives me some sort of perverse hope.
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Way over the top cartoonish, and most likely the final entry in the series? Looks like my worst fears about this movie have been realized. Too bad about John McTiernan's legal problems, otherwise he could have come back and directed a kick-ass movie!
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Why couldnt Willis fight, oh I dont know, real terrorists, like al-Qaeda? Maybe in Die Hard 5 he'll take on corperate polluters?
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Cause this was one biased piece of hate.
LFODH was the best summer flick I've seen so far. It may be a little (and the emphasis here is on LITTLE) letdown for die-hard DIE HARD fans. But if you guys are not able to look beyond your hate and mindless (and endless) bitching then you'll miss one of best action movies this year. -
Because CAIR and other Islamic groups would be all over it, saying it gives muslims a bad name. Funny, I think things like bombing a school run by the UN or shooting a nun in the back would do more of that. It is much safer to use some white guys from europe (irish, former soviet union, etc....)
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Seriously, was anybody surprised by this? You did all see the derivative shit they called the UNDERWORLD series, yes?
When someone makes his career shooting derivative shit, being handed the reins to an awesome franchise just means he is going to make derivative shit named after an awesome franchise.
FOX fucked up in 1999 with THE PHANTOM MENACE and haven't stopped since. STAR WARS, ALIEN, PREDATOR, ELEKTRA, DAREDEVIL, X-MEN, LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY SHITE, FROM HELL, ERAGON, DIE HARD - the amount of potential from these comic book properties, fantasy / sci-fi / action franchises is mind-blowing. The results from fox have been chunk-inducing.
FUCK YOU FOX MOVIES!!!
Go back to your right-wing media blackout Rupert Murdoch arse-licking propaganda bullshit, 'cos you sure as shit CAN'T MAKE GOOD MOVIES!!!
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...to listen. La la la la la. Going to see this today and can't wait. But then, I saw Perfect Stranger and I'm still waiting for the refund of that ticket and the return of my wasted time. BW is a bouncer. Sucky movie, good movie, sucky movie, good movie. Perfect Stranger was sucky so I have to believe that this will be decent. Even if it isn't the best, I'm looking forward to The Last Full Measure. Kick ass cast for that one.
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with all the positive reviews from the critics??? I saw this POS at midnight and agree with Quint 100%, it wasn't a Die Hard. Maybe a Suck Hard but definitely not a Die Hard. And anyone who says "it was a worthy effort" Fuck them and their mother, and while Im at it....Fuck their grandmother too cause their grandmother was probably more of a badass then anyone in LFODH. Bottom line; A pussy villain/sidekick, a director who works better with vampires and werewolves than seasoned action stars and Bruce Willis. He either needs money or wants to feel young again by attempting to compete with a bunch of shitty sequels. I think John McClane's days are numbered in a week, which might explain the mid week opening. Try to squeeze a few bucks out before the big boys arrive(Transformers)
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first bay raped my childhood,now wiseman raped my manhood.ah well i guess life goes on
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First off you gonna tell me that die hard 2 and 3 had better characters you could connect to? Do you even remember Die hard 2 and 3?? That annoying janitor that yelled "IWO JIMA!!!!" or the plot holes that existed in THAT movie.
Second you manage to say how much fun and cool the action scenes were then immediately return to internet smug bastard and say you can't "connect" to it? It's an action movie , if you wanna connect with something go watch black snake moan. Since when do you feel you need to have some kind of connection with the bad guys????
This is does what it sets out to do and for that it kicks ass. SO WHAT if it's pg-13. you telling me an F bomb is gonna make you feel "connected"
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I just say nerds cannot in 2007 expect ANY movie to have the look and feel of a 1987 movie, that's absurd. Most people here including Quint will dislike DH 4 because they realise that the Mac guy is THEM and they are not MANLY ENOUGH to live and let die hard like Mc Clane. They need to get out more (and get laid) really ;-)
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Quint shows how out of TOUCH these internet fanboys really are. There is nothing wrong with this movie. It succeeds in doing what it set out to do, provide good action and a fun time. Damn complainers. IT really bugs me that Quint can say he enjoyed the action but then can't say he even slighty enjoyed the movie.
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Yeah, it's funny to see guys who weren't there to experience the originals in the theaters, mouthing off for the first DH movie they finally see in the theater just because it doesn't relate to their wanky experience in their home theater. Missed AGAIN ! hahaha
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At least there's still Transformers to look forward to, maybe.
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Right on man, hit that fuckin nail on the head.
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Al Leong, as the villaneous candy robber Uli was one of the highlights of the first Die Hard.
If you can't place him there, I bet there's a bunch of movies on the 80's and half the 90's where he appeared just to die onscreen, sometimes twice a movie.
A regular on the A-Team death list, I remember seeing him dying on The Last Action Hero, They Live, Big Trouble in Little China, Godzilla, Lethal Weapon... and who can forget him as no other than Genghis Khan in Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure.
I think this guy (known in my country as 'that chinese that always dies' is long due for an homage on the circles of action movie freaks.
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I am still seeing it. It'll be nice to see a Die Hard movie in theaters.
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We can therefore abandon this horribly strecthed talkback and go over there instead.P.S. I am with you, Prometeo. There was a time when no movie villain's gang was complete without Al Leong onboard in his soon-to-die henchman capacity. Possibly, he is the greatest movie henchman of all time.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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Jun 27, 2007 7:54:27 AM CDT
So then we should all just wait for the UNRATED DVD...
by filmcritic3000
I mean, if 20th Century Fox is going to digitally add blood and restore the profanity to the film when it comes out on DVD, why see this in the theater? Wait the three-five months, watch on DVD, and turn on your home theater system.
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I saw Die Hard 4 last night and had a good time.
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... even before seeing it. When I woke up this morning I thought maybe I should go and give it a try tonight. After all, most reviews are good. It's supposed to be a fun summer action fest. But this is a Die Hard movie we're talking about. Not just your yearly, forgettable big action movie. Casual moviegoers will go see it, and enjoy it. I suspect it'll be a but harder to swallow for Die Hard fans, or at least, 80s action fans. Then I read Quint's extremely negative review, plus a few more here and there. And I don't think I'll go watch it after all. I have that feeling... that visceral feeling that if I go I'll be disappointed. Also, I don't want to be part of the profit made by Fox on this film, when they shit on the original Aliens, Predator or even Die Hard with their crappy sequels/remakes/crossovers. That would make me sick. So I guess it'll be the "DOWNLOAD4FREE OR RENT HARD" way for me.
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One guy who hates every movie ever, loves this one. Then, I at least figured Quint would say "Well, its your typical Mission Impossible 3" and instead...reviews are confusing for this one.
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I actually liked this one. Its certainly different than the Die Hard efforts in the past, but thats kinda a good thing, right? Don't get me wrong. I loved the first DH and I liked the other sequels too, but for different reasons. I for one would rather not see the same movie be made again, no matter how good it was. This was a different take on the franchise, and it belongs in the cannon with the rest. I think Bruce brings it for this movie and the action scenes have some truly amazing stuff. For those concerned about the lack of the word Fuck in the movie, I heard it plenty of times from folks in the audience, in response to some of the craziness packed in this flick. The lack of gore or "money shots" did not take away from the action sequences at all. I was expecting nothing from this movie, and I would pay to see it again. Admittedly, there were parts were I was yelling, "Bullshit" in my head, but I was smiling throughout because recognizing how ridiculous it is and accepting it is what makes it really enjoyable. Maybe I just have a different philosophy?
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Dennis Franz was an ass all the way around in DH-2. Before he made it big on the little screen you will remember his character as the asshole cop who disagreed with even the most logical comments from McClain just to make us hate him. I'm not saying Quint's wrong on all levels but just remember that the first DH was the best and the rest were kinda lame even way back when. NOBODY CERTAINLY THOUGHT THAT DENNIS FRANZ WAS GOOD IN DH-2 BEFORE HE BECAME POPULAR, LET'S NOT DO IT NOW. Fuck, in 10 years, if Olyphant becomes huge, Quint'll be saying this was a great role. whatever.
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I've seen (and enjoyed) every Die Hard movie in the theater, but I had no interest in LFoDH from the beginning. I'll catch it on cable someday.
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You know I agree with FPS. His role in DH2 was just an asshole. I do wish he would do more movies (no cop roles, please). I didn't really like the movie, but I always liked Franz's role in City of Angels.
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download it. Probably a rental. I think FF2 is the only film I carry enough disdain to download. Anyway, I love all three Die Hards but this looks so far from that series that seeing it in the theaters isn't even worth it.
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Die Hard 2 is "Saving Private Ryan" compared to this garbage.
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Name me a big action flick from the last few years that doesn't suck. This doesn't include superhero flicks or fantasies (e.g. Pirates, LOTR). They all suck harder than a virgin prom queen.
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After a summer of a disappointing Spiderman 3, a disappointing Pirates 3, a disappointing Ocean's 13, now we have this to be disappointed at. Oh well, there's still hope in Ratatouille, Transformers, and Potter.
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Well, that's mighty (gunshot)ing mature of them. Corporate hacks. Memflix lives on!
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you moron
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crazy.
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...is a funny guy. If you don't believe me, check out "Wild West Comedy Show: 30 Days & 30 Nights - Hollywood to the Heartland". He just gets a bad rap for making some loot off of Mac commercials, when he himself has said that he couldn't care less whether he used a PC or a Mac.
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You just saved me $12
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it'll be a different story.
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That's what I always say. Being directed by Len Wiseman, this movie is made for a retarded audience. Remember that.
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Top notch on the Lebowski reference! Now to see if the review matches up...
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A helicopter flying through a fucking tunnel. And the blade missing Cruise by a half-inch. That kind of over-the-top ridiculousness is insulting the audience. That's what Die Hard 4 is. An insult. Mori was right. Fuck Fox.
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Al Leong !!!
Also nominated for Deathtime Achivement Award ;)
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Met Long on the set of "Walk Hard" in which he has a cameo. He told me they shot for PG-13. Also heard from various other sources that Willis was firmly in charge of the shoot - and that as a producer, basically ran that set to the point that Wiseman (who I've also heard is a great dude) got an ulcer and had to be rushed to the hospital. It'd go something like this: Wiseman would set up a scene, Willis would show up, Wiseman would go through the blocking and then Bruce would say, "let's take a walk." They'd go away, and when they returned, Bruce would have changed everything. A 1 to 3 hour set-up later, they'd finally shoot what Bruce wanted. It's a shame, cuz Wiseman sounded like he really wanted to make something close to the first one. Oh, well. They lost me at PG-13 anyway.
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I saw this last night, and I had the same exact problems with it.
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called AICN talkbackeers "dark". Hilarious.
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talkbackers it is then. sheesh.
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...in order to enjoy the film are... shite. No, really. And what the hell's up with this Talkback?
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my expectations, and therefore standards, to judge a film as good. If It doesn't measure up to my expectations/standards then, to me, it cannot be good. Simple really
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His part in the second movie was no different from Paul Gleason's idiot character in the first.I remember either Siskel or Ebert giving the first film a thumbs down simply on the basis of having such a character who takes an illogical,contrary opinion to everything McClane says.That said,there was nothing wrong with Franz's acting in the part any more than Gleason's.Even though NYPD Blue wasn't on the air then,a lot of television viewers recognized Franz from Hill Street Blues.Likewise Fred Dalton Thompson,who had a memorable huckster part on an arc of TV'S Wiseguy.
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Jun 27, 2007 10:47:56 AM CDT
Paul Gleason is what's needed in 99% of today's films
by stuntcock mike
"PIZZA FOR HITLER"
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Seriously i would do it if you show me this movie again!!!
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While MI3 had a 7. With a Vengeance had an 8. Heck, even Revenge of The Sith is more violent than the latest Die Hard (scored a 7). What a fu(Gunshot) joke.
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Really? People hate that film? I love it. Jeremey Irons, Sam Jackson, "When Johnny Comes Marching Home." What a fun movie.
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Bruce is the man. He's been there done that and provided me personaly with more hours of pure movie going excitement than I can express. I gotta go out on a limb and say that I enjoyed Die Hard 3 more than 2 even though the pacing was a bit long for me. It's funny, I remember being told on this site not to go see Shooter with Mark Wahlberg and I loved the shit out of that movie.
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Why WalterB? Why did you lie to us?
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That's the third time I see that in a "Die Limp" review. Is that someone whose name is truncated by every reviewer to just its first letter? Or is it one of those organisms - known as [c]rappers, I believe - that's ashamed of its last name? Since this is a movie in which Kewhine Smith has a role, I gather it's the latter?
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Answer: A TURBO HOTTIE.
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Bring on the Bayhem. DHINO! DHINO!
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...did you miss the shot where the helicopter pilot hits the ground hard, collapsing and rolling around next to the mangled flaming copter wreck? Not sure what cut you saw, but he hardly "stands up and walks away like nothing happened".
Regardless of what the Aint It Cool peeps are spewing, save Vern, Live Free or Die Hard was way better than I had expected. And easily the most fun I've had at the movies this summer so far.
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The first half is pretty good and I like Sam Jackson, but the second half and especially the ending are bad.I agree that Lethal Weapon is a suprerior series. It had a much better set up for sequelization. Die Hard was based so much on coincidence and was so much of an ensemble cast effort that it's hard to find a way to do another one. I think Die Hard 3 was the best idea for a sequel, too bad it was horribly mispaced and uneven.The Lethal Weapon sequels work because the first one was just seeing these guys on the job. It wasn't a freak circumstance like Die Hard, their job is to take down drug crews. So every movie can have them taking down a new crew and dealing with new personal problems, whereas Die Hard not so much.
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Now that would be something to see. Get a good writer like Gary Goldman in there and let the mayhem fly. X rated carnage mixed with subtle satire on U.S. foreign policy. But I couldn't blame him if he didn't want to do it. Who would want to deal with the studios these days?
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Where's my gun?
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Timothy Olyphant turns all the traffic lights green. And disconnects your broadband. SCARY!
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Wouldn't a cyber-security expert be the right person to take on a hacker? This movie is DUMB.
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Way to call it like it is and expect more from an action movie than cartoonish action, prominent product placement and cheesy stupid one-liners. Go to hell FOX and fuck you michael bay.
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Because the movie I saw was fun and even badass at times. Hell, it was no worse than 2 and 3. I even enjoyed it more walking out than I did 3.
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And expect to be so aroused by it that I'll have to manipulate with my hand. No haters can phase me on this one, sorry. Notsaying you're wrong but I'll have to see for myself
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Just an observation.
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I still haven't seen the movie and am in no rush to, but I will prolly have seen it by monday.
what I mean, though, is that I can see everything he's trashes the movie about right there in the preview. and the pg-13 thing on top of that. bruce (I love you!) could post on here 7 days a week. it's not going to change the fact that this movie was a transparent, watered-down byproduct of the greatest action movie of all time. len wiseman? are you kidding? UNDERWORLD was fun action-fantasy. UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION was a meandering mess. and that was HIS OWN FRANCHISE. what would you expect him to do with someone else's baby? If they really want to make a kickass DIE HARD sequel, they'll give Shane Black carte blanche to write & direct. look at the pedigree: LETHAL WEAPON, LAST BOY SCOUT, and the first flick where he's completely in command, KISS KISS, BANG BANG! As long as Renny "the Chud" Harlin isn't pissing on the script behind the cameras, Black is the PERFECT man to guide us through the wrong man in the wrong place antics of John Mc-fookin'-Clane. and you damn well bet it will be a (good) R-movie! but as it stands, this is like giving the X-franchise to Bret Ratner and expecting any kind of storytelling competence. -
Unfortunate, being that I'm a fan of the previous flicks.
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harry like this movie.
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See the fuckin' movie. It is badass.
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I grew up with these flicks, but LFODH looks so shitty itty itty... I can't bring myself to watch a good franchise go down in flames, in front of my eyes.
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full of shit.Before three weeks ago I had never seen a Die Hard movie before, but after Brucie showed up on AICN I became intrigued and decided to catch up on my Yippee-Ki-Yay one liners. And like most I fell in love with Mr McClane. Die Hard was a lot of fun, Die Harder was like the annoying little brother who tried to copy the original, and Die Hard 3 was like the son of Die Hard who, although not as good as the original, got the character and snarky attitude of the original right. Throw in an equally funny and snarky buddy played by Sam Jackson and, despite being hindered by an ending that sort of limped into the credits, you had what would have been a satisifying ribbon to a decent trilogy. The problem with LFODH is not that its a bad Die Hard movie, the problem is is that its not really a Die Hard movie at all. You see, to have a Die Hard movie you need Bruce Willis playing John McClane, and in LFODH Bruce Willis is not playing McClane. With the previous three movies fresh in my mind I had a VERY clear impression of McClane in my mind, and my impression of McClane is simple. Here is a guy who, aside from being a bad ass cop, he has a hard time figuring out real life. Once he has a gun in his hand, glass in his feet, and terrorists to kill he finds his purpose in life, and even though terrorists may be blowing up buildings, killing civilians, and threatening his family, he seems to forget all that and goes into a seriously psychotic mode where, while he may complain, he is having fun. John McClane is disturbed, and when the adrenaline is flowing, and he is being shot at, the calm collected guy we see at the beginning of Die Hard, the guy trying to work things out with his wife, transforms into a lunatic who enjoys killing bad guys, enjoys jumping off buildings, enjoys walking over glass, enjoys taunting madmen while picking off their henchmen one by one. There is a moment, when Bruce Willis trying to play John McClane, starts to talk like John McClane, starts to rave like John McClane, starts to get that crazy lopsided look in his eyes like John McClane, then he crashes a car into a helicopter like John McClane, and for a moment you think that maybe the reason John McClane isnt acting like John McClane is because over the past few years John McClane hasn't had any bad guys to run after to distract him from the problems he always has with his family, and over the years he has forgotten what being John McClane is like. For a moment I thought I saw John McClane coming out, and from then on I thought the rest of the movie was going to be yippee-ki-yay crazy cowboy McClane going after terrorists, walking around with a strut and a smile despite the fact that he keeps being shot at, the world is falling apart, and his daughter is being held hostage. The only reason McClane needs a buddy is to either have someone to talk trash with or talk trash to. Sam Jackson was great because he was as much a trash talker as McClane and with the two of them talking trash to each other, with each other and to the bad guys, both agreeing that the word "fuck" is the funniest word in the world when you are in constant danger and trying to piss off captains and mercenaries, you end up with a buddy movie that works, despite the fact that you already have a terrific lead. LFODH has none of that. There are some chuckles here and there, but there are chuckles in Spiderman 3 as well, that doesnt make it a good Spiderman movie. Bruce is just too reserved and he has lost that edge of insanity that McClane had that made it more interesting to watch him shoot bad guys. I was watching the movie last night trying to figure out what it was that was bothering me, and after the "car destroying helicopter" scene, it hit me. I wasn't smirking the entire movie, because John McClane was not in his wife beater making fun of the disaster he was in. John McClane was babysitting some kid who, for some reason, was complaining about classic rock, calling a fat unfunny Kevin Smith the Warlock, and getting snarky with someone twice his age who had just saved his life just so that the writers could try to inject some forced humor into a movie called Die Hard that did not have John McClane.Add to that some of the worst editing and dubbing I have seen in ages, a ridiculous "Im going to drive this truck up a ramp into an office and down an elevator shaft and still fail to kill this girl on impact" scene, an inexplicable rolling explosion of gas, an eye-rolling semi-truck vs. fighter jet collapsing CGI freeway scene, and an anti-climactic, lifeless, boring ending, and a horrible use of the famous "yippee-ki-yay we can say fuck once in a PG-13 movie but we are not gunna anyways" scene, and you have LFODH. Len Wiseman is a weak director, in the company of Brett Ratner, WS Anderson, and Mark Steven Johnson and as long as these fellas keep making movies we are going to keep getting movie like LFODH.
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Ten question marks would have been plenty, instead of holding the key down.
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What a faggot bitch!
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and everyone so far says that the action and SFX are mind-blowing, but the plot, characters and sit-com humor are awful. Hmm. Pretty much what I was expecting...
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Great review. You've confirmed our worst fears for this movie. Sad to see it happen, but, there's no sense pulling punches on this turd.Also, your post is great, david19. Glad to see another new member in Die Hard fandom.
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I thought they made the Talkbacks idiot-proof but guess not.
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Are you referring to the Darkhorizon's review? Cause that one gets a bit contradictory towards the end...like it really didn't want to admit that it was good.Out of the four early reviews available on RT, all have given it a thumbs-up. And if you were to check out the fansites, you'd find that there are many more screening reviews coming in from some of the most pissed-off "ranters" who have been more than pleasantly surprised.Sure, the film may not be "A Lion in Winter". But it's starting to sound like it's pretty damn cool.
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i was wondering what the hell was going on. nice job, frg. so i guess theres not much chance of bruce coming back to talk about the movie again. oh well. it was sure nice of him to come by at all especially to talk about other subjects besides DH4. i believe i will hold off for the dvd on this one as much as i love the first movie. and what in god's name happened to mctiernan? he was so great and then it was one mediocraty after the other. so sad.
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Even on Letterman BW seemed less than enthused about the film.
Maybe they need to team up Bruce and Ashton in a buddy flick where they fight over and ugly plastic bitch - and then blow shit up -
Fred Fucking Thompson. And Bruce Willis.
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I didn't realize that's why some of the editing was a little weird, so they could cut out R-rated lines in order to make it PG-13. That makes sense now. The scene at the power plant, where Justin Long is yelling at Willis, just was weird. One scene would be up close, with Long gesticulating wildly. The next, he'd be seen upclose, looking calm as ever. It was weird.
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It's an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), also known as an F-35 Lightning II.
If you want a harrier:
1. Move to England
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I collect a lot of dvd's and only try to go see things on the big screen that are worthy of double dipping. I don't see the point in seeing a film that not only isn't getting the greatest reviews, but isn't as close to the original character of McClane as it could be. So, at this point I'll just be waiting for the un-rated directors cut (and if for some reason it doesn't happen, then that is a chance I'll take for all this shit). If studios want to keep this bull shit up of releasing watered down versions of a movies into the theaters and then releasing the edgier and harsher un-rated/R cuts on dvd, then they can piss off. Half the time movies look better on my nice flat screen tv and sound better on my system than they do in the theater, and I don't have to see people fucking with their damn cell phones in the middle of the film (how I miss the drive in!!).
So, if the studios want me to double dip, you better fucking release films right up front they way they were intended. Some films are pretty obvious that they should be R from the beginning and that they are being fucked with to just try and make more money. Fuck that. -
DH3 had the best hero, teamed up with the best sidekick, put up against the best villian backed by a tremendous score. Flawless action movie.
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Though I agree with a lot of Quint's critcisms I still found myself enyoing the movie. The plot was almost pointless and most the scenes between action sequences felt like cut scenes in video games, just enough story to get you through to the next action sequence and sometimes not enough. I enjoyed the teaming of Willis and Long which is good cause they are only interesting characters outside Kevin Smith brief part and Mary Elizabeth Winstead as McClane's daughter. Winstead is great as Lucy McClane which makes it more the shame she's not in the film more, Lucy is very much her fathers daughter in toughness and sarcastic wit in the face of danger. Smith is funny as the super hacker who still lives in his mothers basement. I love Olyphant on DEADWOOD but he's just flat in this movie, Seth Bullock is more menacing a character than Thomas Gabriel. Maggie Q is wasted in this film except for one scene and even that turned cartoonish toward the end. The rest of the cast is about the same, they seem to spend the movie standing around reacting to the attacks but doing little to nothing. Quint joked about how the pseudo-Karl in this film was Superman but he's not the only one with which that would apply. We are used to seeing McClane get beat up and keep coming but now they are doing this with the villains. Willis and Maggie Q have a knockdown dragout fight of which her character gets the better of McClane til he improbably comes back at her by hitting her full speed with a truck which doesn't seem to phase her even after he drives through several walls and an elevator door with her riding on the hood. She continues to hold her own against him as they fight in and around the truck as it hangs inside the elevator shaft ready to fall at any second. Most the action sequences are over the top with McLaine's ability to survive them making them more outlandish with the ending sequence easily rivals the one in TRUE LIES. One other thing that annoyed me was the lack of connection to the previous films, except for Mclane and his daughter none of the characters from the previous films are present and the only real reference to them are a few McLane comments about having been in a similar situation before. Despite these problems I had a good time, possibly in part cause of the audiences reaction which was very positive. -
Correct me if I'm wrong but is every PG-13 movie allowed one "fuck"? And yeah I noticed the obvious over dubbed scenes. An unrated edition is coming alright.
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I believe PG-13 allows one fuck but zero motherfuckers. If fuck and motherfucker were the same George Carlin's list would be six words long instead of seven.
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This thread is (gunshot) hard to read.
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I disagree with the complaints. This film is a HUGE improvement over the dissapointing With a Vengeance. Weisman did a great job directing the action sequences, and it's just a fun, mindless, entertaining summer action flick.
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why couldn't you enjoy this simple movie? Either way I have my own review on this film here
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RubensReviews
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I'm not sure what the big problem is. Maybe I just didn't pay attention well enough all 80 times I've seen the first Die Hard, because to me, this was EXACTLY what a 2007 Die Hard movie should be. I laughed, McClane gets the LIVING SHIT beat out of him, I gasped, McClane's daughter has a nice rack AND she's a badass, I cheered, shit blew up - I mean, good LORD what more could you want from a movie? I honestly didn't notice the PG-13, or rather... Maybe since I was *expecting* it I was surprised with just how much they got away with. I mean, really the only thing it's missing is full frontal, and honestly... enough shit was blowing up for me to be completely satisfied. I also HATE HATE HATE Die Hard 2, and LOVE 3. It may be a little early to say this, but I think my new Die Hard order goes: 1, 4, 3, uhh... 5,6,7,8,9, however-many-they-do......... and 2. But this was great. And I never felt Long was 'just a sidekick'. I mean, McClane was ordered to get this kid so he does, and people just happen to keep trying to kill him. So, he stops them. And kills them first. Quite well. I didn't even really notice much CG other than the elevator scene (which got a little out of hand, I'll admit) and the highway collapsing on him. Then again, I'm usually trying NOT to notice things like that... Anyway, I give it two thumbs up and an 8.5 on the Die Hard Beat the Shit Outta John McClane scale.
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I wont say the best of the 4...but damn did it have alot of action, humour..everything you expect from a Die Hard movie. And to tell the truth, the PG-13 rating didnt bother me one bit..cause every other word was still shit, bitch or damn!
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It still kicked more ass than most R rated movies, and had enough swearing and blood in it for my liking!
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I think the people complaining wanted a 1988 film for 2007. They wanted the yelling captain threatening to do things to McClane and they wanted the weak characters like that Janitor from Die Hard 2. They wanted the same cocky vulgar shallow McClane instead of the more reserved realistic character in this film. THATS what they wanted..
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Usually I follow the lead here, but I am watching a ton of other reviews and they are in near consensus that, while not as good as original, not such a bad ride. Think I am going to have to see for myself...But I really think you all just got bitter taste of the PG-13 and its tainted every bite of this movie you take.
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This movie was awesome - the 2nd best in the series. The problem written with this review is that the critic was only 3 years old when the first Die Hard came out and did not "grow" with the character. Now that I am an old-ass man with a family and a real job, I don't need the "reality" - blood, guts, profanity - to tell me a story when I want to see an action movie. DH4 was highly entertaining. Thanks to the internet, you can see real actual killing with the click of your mouse. The movie was 2-1/2 hours long - why add more time showing us in detail what bullets do to bodies. Take an excellent movie like "The Departed". Violence and gore work because it explains the brutality of the story. DH4 isn't going to win any Oscars, but it is an **action** movie. It has ass-loads of action and that along with the nostalgia of how badass and relevant John McClane still is dreive the story. The audience I was with cheered and seemed to enjoy it. I would highly reccommend this to fellow 30-somethings that want to remember how exciting it was to see Bruce Willis as McClane.
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The theater was packed. This will make more money this weekend than Hostel II will in its entire run. People were walking out of the theater smiling, laughing, and calling friends to tell them to go see it.
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This movie is fun. Sure, it's not DIE HARD, but these fuckers need to get over that. There will never be another DIE HARD. It was in the Eighties for fuck's sake.
This movie is entertaining and the acting is not as terrible as you would think given what's said above. Willis is McClane through and through, just with less sexual humor and ACTUAL curse words. He says a lot of "jerkwads, dickwads, dickheads and assholes". So what?
This movie deserves to find an audience. It's not as bad as some of the shit I've seen lately. At 130 minutes, it blows by. And why does every villian have to be over the top and silly? Olyphant is a great actor. Witness "Deadwood". He's more of the silent, brooding dudes. Not so much with the theatrical bellowing. But motherfucker gets his point across.
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But it IS a movie based on a video game, so i'll hold out any excitement for it until I see a longer trailer.
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I agree, when I saw Die Hard 2 (in the theater, unlike you dicks who slams 4 here with no argument other than "willis socks !"), I had no idea who this actor was, and I thought he was grade Z movie bad. I still think the same, whatever oscar worthy work Franz did after.
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If there was some editorial control here, Harry would not let a review like this one happen before checking the facts.
FACT : despite minor flaws, DH4 is as enjoyable as the 3 movies that came before.
we don't care about Quint's OPINION, he is trying to be a movie critic, just give us the FACTS.
Opinion are like arseholes, everybody have one. FACTS ARE FACTS.
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I am a very forgiving person when it comes to movies. I liked Dead Silence, Silent Hill, and X-MEN 3 to make my point clear. I'm an okay Die Hard fan... but I wouldn't call it my favorite movie...
The PG13 really does hurt it. There are such corny things in this movie, where Bruce Willis gets mad at the helicopter, gets in his car and guns it straight at the copter, which is up in the air. He jumps out of the vehicle, and it nicks the side of a support collumn in the tunnel... by some force of magic, it is launched into the air and smashes into the helicopter. It was fucking ridiculous.
And the whole theme of this movie, I shit you not, is "Watch out for young people and their computers!" Yes, this movie shows the bad guys at computers...and they are controlling EVERYTHING with computers. The bad guys have hacked into everything, including your goddamn microwave with their computers! It makes the movie Hackers look more intelligently written.
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Anyone looing for a coherent and tight plot in a Die Hard movie is an idiot. This version was better than 2 and 3. Of course it was rediculous, it's a gawd damn movie! Any Die Hard FAN will love this movie. Suck on that bitches.
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We loved the movie. The action was great. No one cared that it was PG-13. Great job!
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and it's still great!This review is shit whereas DIE HARD 4.0 is DA SHIT!!!
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i'm not even going to see this...I LOVE the first 3 films...everything ive seen in pt4 seems really weak. that 8min clip was AWFUL. cartoony hollywood tripe.
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is how he is a really, really cute guy. Must be because most of you here are straight boys. Whatever floats your boat.
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Why do we give a damn about whether someone's cute? These are not Dawson Creek episodes. This is Die Hard. Justin Long was suprisingly decent in the film. The only person who gives shit if he's cute is Lucy McClane, and even then she's a little doubtful whether he's got a sack strapped on.
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He looks sort of like an ape man, so he's cute in that way. Maybe he can play Chim-Chim in the new Speed Racer flick. He should learn to shave. That whiskered look is ridiculous. He looks like a 15 yr old boy trying to look like a man.
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...anyone who says different is either an idiot, a kid, or a studio PLANT!
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is someone with an opinion of his or her own. Your friend, Tommy Blueballs
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than Mac Guy, but he held his own at the end there. You know how I can tell that I really, REALLY enjoyed a movie? When scenes from it keep playing over and over in my head all day, and everytime I see them I think "Damn. That was COOL." Same way I felt after Paprika, which is probably the only other really good new movie I've seen in months. Pirates and Spidey had moments of awesomeness, but overall when I left the theater I just felt... used. Like a dime store hoe.
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You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. The only thing worth watching with the words "Die Hard" in it was that kid Zachs "Dwight Schrute meets Michael Bay" short film on the reality show.
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As thousands of nerds / Geeks will trow away their computer and discover women, rock'n'roll, LIFE !
Except all the writers on AICN staff that is -
It just was. Everybody who wanted their dream Die Hard sequel can stay dissapointed, but the idea that it was "even bad for an action flick" is just silly.It was a great movie, and everybody in the theatre had a good time. Myself probably most of all.
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Does he fit on the screen?
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I certainly can be, too, at times. There are some movies or games or whatever that I simply refuse to see or accept, because my mind tells me "no".
The stunts got ridiculous in this movie. Any sense of time was thrown out the car window on the way to West Virginia. But it was entertaining. I generally hate that saying, and I don't want to be apologetic, but I really liked the movie. The action was great. McClane was cool and funny. Justin Long was funny. The special effects were fantastic (except for the lame blueScreen/rear-projection during the car rides)
It was good. I wish the situation had been more contained to a single location. Scripting certainly could have been changed so that instead of State-hopping, the film could have consisted of a single, extended infiltration. But dang--he drove a car into a helicopter. And sure, the previews showed that moment repeatedly. But I never understood the circumstances of that stunt and the car flipping one. That tunnel sequence as a whole was thrilling and great.
The movie was good, man. Eat a cookie or something and awaken the happiness within you. -
Jul 01, 2007 4:02:31 PM CDT
Saw it last night - MUCH better then I thought it would
by kinghenryviii
be .... Didn't dig the bald McClane (even in 16 Blocks he had hair) and the jet fighter thing was laugh out loud funny but as for an action flick - and a Die Hard flick - it wasn't bad. Agreed, I miss the cussing! But oh well - bring on Indy IV!
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Jul 02, 2007 5:36:21 PM CDT
I'm Man Enough to Say it: Live Free or Die Hard Rocked!
by birdys piano teacher
Sorry, but i have to say it. It fits comfortably within the Die Hard series. Yes, Bruce set a record for the number of times in which "dickhead" could be uttered as a curse, and there were a couple messy dubbed line moments, but the action was sick and everyone at the Vista with me enjoyed the hell out of it. Justin Long was hilarious and gave Willis someone great to play off of. Maggie Q was hot and kicked much ass. Even Kevin Smith's part fit in the context of the movie. Wow, I was just totally wrong. Sorry, Bruce.
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