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INDIANA JONES 4 mini-production diary!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I hope you're like me and you've got that kind of giddy, geeky excitement in the pit of your stomach about INDIANA JONES 4. Sure, it's fine to also be nervous. In this age where we have a shitty ALIEN VS. PREDATOR film, depressingly bad STAR WARS movies and our old favorites are being remade at an alarming rate, it's only natural to be afraid that yet another of our icons is tarnished. But there's gotta be hope, too. This is Spielberg, Lucas, Frank Marshall and the old guard. And after seeing how Spielberg shot MUNICH, I'm confident he still has it in him to make a great INDY movie. Just the technical aspects of MUNICH... the length of shots, the framing, the cinematography... they all reminded me of that brilliant run Spielberg had, from DUEL to RAIDERS... that magic era. So, now they've release a little behind the scenes video for INDIANA JONES 4. There was an interview with Shia LaBeouf a little while back and recently they released that geek-drool-inducing shot of Harrison Ford still looking like Indiana Jones. Looks like we're going to get little peeks into the production for a while and that makes me very happy. The video doesn't really show much... you see Spielberg, Lucas and some 1950s cars and costumes. But goddamnit, this is all from a new Indiana Jones movie... how cool is that? CLICK HERE TO GO TO INDIANAJONES.COM AND WATCH THE QUICKTIME!!!

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  • June 26, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Looks good!

    by silver screen surfer

    Can't wait!

  • June 26, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by SteffanLongdon

    Saw this, it's cool

  • June 26, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    And Star Wars has never been "depressingly bad"

    by silver screen surfer

    Get over it already. Dang.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Indiana BONES!...n' the Last Bengay

    by MIghtySABO

    I think the FIREWALL actor guy is to crusty to play Indian Jonze... They shoulda got The SHIA LaBoobs kid fromthe movie Disturbian...

  • June 26, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    that's enough to make me happy

    by echobase

    dear oh dear... he's realy back!!!!! I'm soooooooooo HAPPY!

  • June 26, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones makes my pee pee...

    by screamster101

    hit the bowl every time. No joke.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    What next jerks....BRUNO in another DIEHARD????

    by MIghtySABO

    C'mon you're gunna tell me that Stallone is going to be RAMBow again... nerd-up!

  • June 26, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    stoked for Indy IV, but if it's dissapointing...

    by gerbalBOY

    I'll be so pissed.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    TOO SHORT!!!

    by screamster101

    Come on... Give us more than that!!! PLZ!!!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    I just saw ep 1-6 in a row

    by DigitalDong

    Boy, joke is on the haters. People who hate the prequels need to rethink their lives.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by gerbalBOY

    Aliens angle? Your kidding me...

  • June 26, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    You may not like the creative decisions chosen in the prequels but it's laughable to say they are "depressingly bad". The acting is no better or worse than the acting in Star Wars or Jedi. Harrison Ford turns in an awful performance in Jedi. Compared to all other summer movies nowadays(hello Fantastic Four and Pirates) the prequels look fantastic.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    "loook how beautiful this iiiis"

    by AllieJamison

    I don't know what to say. <br>Somebody get these guys some Indy IV hats and jackets. The Casino Royale and Speed Channel clothing is intolerable!! This way the film is never going to succeed...

  • June 26, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST


    by whataboutbob25


  • June 26, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    The key word was"old", Quint.

    by PwnedByStallone

    I'll never forgive these fucks if this movie sucks. Hey that rhymes. Start the chant.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Prequel love?

    by Strabo

    Are you kidding me? I think the dialogue was written by Lucas' kids. The Prequels suck.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by whataboutbob25

    This site many years ago used to get news for itself.I remember back to 2000 when a review of gladiator wentup months b4 release.The golden days. What the fucking point of it now other than to post links to other sites. And you cant fucking say just becuase you had a SLY Q&A sessions with the fans half a fucking year ago. Havnt old media been doing that for yonks? Big deal. There will come a time very soon when I stop visiting simply out of habbit the very rarely there is something of interest.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Have Faith

    by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    They know what they are doin. The Kings Of (Pop)Corn Movies will not let us down!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Indy 4 Shoot

    by bradlm

    Filming starts Thursday, June 8th in downtown New Haven, CT. Tonight, from 5-10, the city is putting on a party with an outdoor screening of one of the flicks, they won't say which and all kinds of events. Shooting will last till July 7 and will be set in 1957 and be filmed all around Yale. They have a motorcycle chase up Chapel street that they hired a ton of extras for.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST


    by Darksider

    It's cool seeing Spielberg and Lucas together again.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Where's the teaser?

    by darshn22

    I can't wait to hear the Williams score in the theater again...

  • June 26, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    TOO OLD!

    by uss cygnus

    Wilfred Brimley must be in this somehow.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    ..And, yes the prequels are childhood rapingly bad.

    by uss cygnus

    "Now THIS is podracing!"

  • June 26, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Lucas looked like he really didn't want to be there

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    As always

  • June 26, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Anyone want to play "Guess that scene?"

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    Young indy in the 'hotrod(?)' being pulled over by .. authority? Because they are.. in .. area 51? sure!

  • June 26, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Re: Lucas looked like he really didn't want to be there

    by IAmLegolas

    when you are that old, fat and have more money than God, what do you expect? The creative drive is gone. Where's those "small, experimental films" at, George? Still living in the past.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    The prequels sucked

    by Koro

    End of story.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Where are the "depressingly bad Star Wars movies"?

    by Stalin vs Predator

    Yes, they do have that kid from "Phantom Menace" (nobody remembers his name anymore) and Wooden Cringensen... but at least they don't have Shia la Boof.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Indy vs. The Elm City

    by canadien666

    Some local links to the Indy invasion:

  • June 26, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I will nht get drawn into another prequel debate....

    by RockLobster800

    I will say this-ROTS was better than I ever expected barring a few moments (Padmes death scene and the infamous NOOOOO) but c'mon Lucas didnt drop the ball-it ended with a good guy becoming evil and had the balls to be as dark as you like. It was good stuff. I keep hoping they'll call of Indy 4 though-we dont need it. Particualrly cos you can tell its gonna haveannoying scenes of Shia running around with Indy blaming him for never being there for him as a kid and then they get in a scrape and "bond". Guaranteed.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Spielberg is running the show from here on out.

    by kinghenryVIII

    He stated it a while back. He's the director. Lucas is there just to be noticed. And who wouldn't notice him with his friggin' chin-o-chins? Nah .... total faith, man. Total faith. <p>And I read on the other Indy TB that someone thought raiders was a snooze fest and Crusade was the winner of the 3 .... blows my mind. I watched Raiders again Friday when the pic of Ford went up (I was was too pumped - almost left work early just to go home and watch it) and man ... blows the other 2 away - and I watched them too. I had a film fest. <P> Keep the set reports coming - - had it up first. I can't friggin' wait.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    People need to stop bitching about Shia.

    by Lucasblows

    If he's the worst thing in this movie I'll be happy. He at least comes with a descent resume unlike Hayden and "Jingle All the Way Kid." Star Wars prequels were shit. All three. Including that aptly named ROTS. Spielberg in the director's chair on Indy 4 is enough to make it not suck.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Don't glorify Indy Jones so much...

    by droxford

    ...or you surely will be disappointed. Don't forget that Spielberg did a crappy job with Temple of Doom. And Lucas did an equally crappy job with many Star Wars elements. It seems common that movies with high expectations seldom live up to them. Nobody was expecting The Matrix to be monumental. But it was. Afterwards, everyone built up huge expectations for Reloaded. It didn't live up to them. Then, people again built up expectations for the finale in Revolutions. Again, it didn't live up. If you're expecting Indy 4 to be some colossus of a movie, it's very probable that you'll be disappointed.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    yo droxford

    by xcornealiousx

    difference is, this movie is being made by spielberg, lucas, and harrison F"N ford! the wach. bros. dont quite have the understanding of movie magic quite like those three. the trio of spielberg, lucas, and ford have had MANY boxoffice juggernauts. so to expect quality from them is normal. the wach bros put out one really good film. maybe two if you count V for Vendetta. I hear where you are coming from, but the comparison isnt quite there.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Jokes About Old People

    by rev_skarekroe

    Let's start giving that bit a rest, huh?

  • June 26, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Sword of Gideon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Munich

    by Squashua

    So say we all.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed the prequels

    by Abominable Snowcone

    and was very excited when they were released. But even now, just a couple years beyond, they don't age very well and I'm a little embarassed about how enthusiastic I was. I enjoyed them, but they are not 'great' movies and completely lack the charm of the original's, and are sorely in need of wit and zeal, which Han Solo gave to the original trilogy.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    They need to release Young Indiana Jones on DVD

    by Squashua

    They finally put it on VHS when DVDs started getting hot, and promptly forgot about it.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Would you PLEASE STFU about Star Wars

    by la_sith

    Sick of the prequel bitching. Fucking get over it already.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST


    by ludmir88

    and you know it!!!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST


    by Admiral Kirk

    the aliens story could be great- there's a level in the arcade game metal slug 2 that has a classic flying saucer tied up with ropes next to some crates in a hanger-it looks like it belongs in an indy movie. Of course there's aliens in the indy saga- they're packed in crates right next to the ark in that massive warehouse.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Continuity Error?

    by UGABugKiller

    Here's something I always wondered. And please, whomever knows for sure help me out here, because this is one of those geeks-only kind of question. I thought Indy and his dad were now immortal and wouldn't age after drinking from the Holy Grail. Am I right or wrong here? The Grail gives life, that's what the Knight said, right? Everlasting life. The Knight must have been pushing 900. If I'm wrong, someone let me know. But if I'm right, how the hell are they going to explain his old age?

  • June 26, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    star wars bashing.

    by xcornealiousx

    hey dorks...get over the fact that the second two matrix movies were straight up lame. yeah the prequels werent the greatest ever. but when watched from ep I - ep VI..they arent thhaaaat bad. plus this is indiana jones, NOT star wars. plus this movie has ford..prequels didnt. and i cant understand why the shia bashing must continue. he isnt amazing, but he surely isnt bad. reserve judgement AFTER seeing transformers.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST


    by sapno_krei

    Eternal life was only possible if you never crossed the seal and left the temple (and, according to the novelization, if you drank from the cup regularly). The knight apparently missed a few scheduled drunks and aged a few decades.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    consider me excited

    by J Skell

    why? cause i think they all got one more in the tank

  • June 26, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Quint nails it...

    by Reynard Muldrake

    I have a nervous tingle in my core when I see that Ford pic or watch this video...and it goes both ways - "why oh why this can only be a disappointment" and then rabid belief in real movie magic again. Yay for the latter.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    As long as its Fate of Atlantis good in the storytellin

    by Stormwatcher

    I am in. Indy is my Star Wars, I was so stoked when the DVD's came out. I pray this doesn't suck, the only thing worrying me is the LeBoeuf kid. I really don't want a self-referential humour type character in there. Thankfully Lucas isn't directing and frankly didn't script it either so no hammy dialogue and crappy over-CGI. I hope. Its the mileage not the years!

  • June 26, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    The best two franchises ever!!!

    by Mako

    Indiana Jones and Star Wars... yes even the prequels kick ass and are better than anything 99% of you hacks could ever dream of. HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • June 26, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Fuck Indy 4, where's the Die Hard 4.0 reviews?

    by DirkD13"

    86% on Rotten Tomatoes so far....

  • June 26, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST


    by UGABugKiller

    ...Thanks! I thought the whole "Don't cross the seal" thing was that they could have eternal life, but couldn't take the cup with them. Wow... that sucks... no eternal life.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    The Berg's technical prowess

    by DirkD13"

    Has never been in question has it Quint? His laziest-shot film is easily The Last Crusade (except for the reveal of the invisible bridge) and that's regarded (inexplicably) almost on a par with Raiders. But then what do I know? Temple Of Doom has always been my favourite Indy film, by far.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    "crappy job with Temple of Doom"

    by Reynard Muldrake

    droxford - seriously? And that it was equally crappy as what Lucas did to Star Wars? I can't believe I'm even dignifying your opinion with a response. Temple of Doom - yes, Spielberg was in a dark place, it's a bit heavy...but it's so priceless in so many places and owns 89% of what passes for action films since then that it is above reproach, unless you're comparing it to the best of the Spielberg canon. Could be my childhood nostalgia talking, but don't for a second compare ToD to something like the Phantom Menace.

  • June 26, 2007, noon CST

    You did say 'Glorious' Quicktime

    by ATARI

    And for that, I thank you!!

  • June 26, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    My five year old hated Cars

    by manzoniman

    Honestly, I got choked up to see the boys together again. Now if this movie doesn't equal the second coming of Christ, I'll be super pissed off.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    That obviously was supposed to say "didn't"

    by ATARI

  • June 26, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Oh, hell, who cares anyway?

    by ATARI

    This is just going to turn into a Lucas / Star Wars bashing talkback. <br> <br> OH! LOOK!! I was right!<br>

  • June 26, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    So where is the Paris Hilton out of jail talkback?

    by ATARI

    just kidding

  • June 26, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Young Indiana Jones was a borefest

    by Trazadone

    Seriously, does anyone really want to see those on DVD? Five minutes into it your eyes will be glazing over. It's a "history lesson" under the guise of Indiana Jones. It would be like watching The Young Luke Skywalker Chronicles where each week he visits a different farm to learn about crops. Also, I agree that the "old" Harrison Ford jokes are already tiresome. Most of you morbidly obese talkbackers should be praying that you live to see his age let alone still look respectful.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    "I cancelled HBO because of the Prequels"

    by Trazadone

    Wow, you showed them dude! I think Home Alone is playing on Showtime, you might want to try there. How could you hate Sith?, it fucking rocked.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    What Indy 4 needs to be the sweetness:

    by Reynard Muldrake

    Is new iconic moments and lines. Guaranteed there will be some definite "winks" the first 3 in some way/shape/form, but if they can rock some newness and fantasmic moments out of innovation and creativity (like the gun on the swordmaster in Raiders due to diarrhea or whatever story you want), then it will be worthy.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Know what else is "depressingly bad"?

    by Liberty Valance

    This website, which hasn't had a scoop in about 5 years. The only reason to come here is to trade insults in the Talkbacks.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Is that Shia in the driver sit?

    by ludmir88

    LOOK CLOSER!!!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by ludmir88

    "look how beautiful this is". mehh

  • June 26, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by sapno_krei

    Young Indy was a great show. It just wasn't *Indy* enough. Taken on its merits, however, it was a terrific series, and I look forward to the DVD.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    "Depressingly Bad"

    by FleshMachine

    is EXACTLY trhe way i would describe the prequel trilogy...biggest dissapointments in my life..litterally (which i guess means ive had a pretty good life...but still..i try to watch them without's impossible)

  • June 26, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST


    by sapno_krei

    ...Why I used my own handle as the subject, I do not know...

  • June 26, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Liberty Valance

    by Reynard Muldrake

    true that. all the contributors are scared shitless (or willingly compliant) about threatening their meager hold on credibility in The Hollywood Machine...the site survived all those years on REAL NEWS ('news' being 'new' with an 's'), I think it can do it again. Or get Spielberg or Lucas on for an interview a la Peter Jackson before LOTR came out with all his questions, that ruled. Oh wait, Moriarty streaked the Ranch.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    I disagree completely about the prequels

    by Trazadone

    Okay, I admit that Episode 1 is unwatchable, I think we can all admit that. Jesus, I'd rather have my testicles attached to a car battery than have to sit through that again. However, I had no problems with Clones or Sith. Sith especially was non-stop Star Wars coolness.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    What is known about Indy 4

    by Trazadone

    Could someone please recap any tidbits regarding the plot? Is John Williams on board?

  • June 26, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Star Wars Prequels Talkback

    by Reynard Muldrake

    STFU already. This was a story about Indiana Jones. Talk about taht. George Lucas is just there to stand around looking important so he doesn't get bored sitting around thinking of new ways to repackage and sell the Star Wars DVDs ad nauseam.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Another thing about Star Wars

    by Trazadone

    Just kidding.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    SHUuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUT UUUUUPPPP!!!!!

    by jajarsjockstrap

    Seriously, enough already. This whole Indy-bashing business is getting old -- and, no, not Ford old. First, this films is going to be considerably better than the Star Wars prequels. Why, you ask? Well, because the MAIN STAR of the originals is coming. THe Star Wars prequels were missing Han, Luke and Leia -- THE END!!!!! Take away those three, and you're left with fan fiction crap. Bitch all you want about the star wars prequels, but lucas didnt HAVE to make them. He did it to make money and to shut people up. He succeeded at the former, failed at the latter, and changed the star wars universe forever. Boo friggin hoo. get over it. Indy is going to be MUCH, MUCH different. After all, INDIANA JONES is actually back. And, as if that wasn't good enough, the guy who played indiana jome sin the originals is back, too. The film is set, what, like 20 years after Raider, right? So, yeah, Indy is going to be older. BUT WHO CARES? The dude isn't rambo, he's not rocky, he's not superman -- he's a NERDY COLLEGE PROFESSOR!!!! The dude has more insecurities than a teenage girl, and the fact that he's old in this one actually makes it cooler. he can still plit planes, he can still drive tanks, he can still use a whip -- sorta -- and he can still wise crack with the best of them. Oh, and ford won't be crusy. isn't it obvious that he's been phoning it in for the past 15 years until, well, until they made the next INDY film. The guy is loaded, older, doesn't need to work. he was waiting for this, and he'll kick total ass in the role. Eat fish.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    where are the comments on the tiny little video?

  • June 26, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    JOHN RAMBO and INDY 4!!!!!!!!!!!

    by ABking

    These two films along with IRON MAN are gonna rule summer 2008!

  • June 26, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    and about the whole alien thing...

    by jajarsjockstrap

    who cares? how is this a problem? the 1950s gave birth to popular science fiction -- i think -- and searching for alien artifacts would play into that. indy's always dealt with supernatural artifacts, so aliens would be nothing new -- just not religious. hell, if anything, alien artifacts would be more grounded in reality than ghosts coming out of the ark of the covenant and liquifying the faces of evil nazis. ya dig?

  • June 26, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    HAHAHAHA good one Reynard HAHAHA

    by ludmir88


  • June 26, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by Trazadone

    Is there a link to that script?

  • June 26, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Shooting digital or film?

    by renderboy

    Does anyone know? Lucas has said he wants to use this film to convince Spielberg that digital is the future, but Spielberg is die-in-the-wool film guy. Anyone know who won?

  • June 26, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Grail and Eternal Life - The Final Word

    by Mosquito March

    The Grail is infused with the power of God. There is no reason to believe that it would suddenly not work if it wasn't in the temple, because it's an instrument of God, and God's power goes everywhere. It would work fine - IF you could get it out of the temple. But, the Seal doesn't let you leave the temple with it. It's basically a big mystical booby trap system, really no different from the trap that tries to prevent Indy from taking the idol from the temple at the beginning of Raiders. But, the power of God is forever - it doesn't stop when the Seal is crossed, you just can't safely take it with you, and therefore can't drink from it every day and continue to receive its benefits. Drinking from the Grail once would give Indy a boost, and maybe add a small fraction of time to his life, but the effect isn't taken away from Indy when he crosses the Seal. If that were the case, Henry Sr.'s newly healed gunshot wound should reappear and kill him. It doesn't. The only importance of the Seal is that the cup physically can't leave the premises.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Eternal Life

    by jeffrex007

    Although I agree that the Jones' no longer have eternal life if they pass the seal, i still like to believe that by drinking the cup once they do get a little more vibrant and a life-span that is extended a little but by no means "eternal." and does Dr. Jones Sr still have a bullet in him?

  • June 26, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST


    by welbrick

    pretty sure i saw a film mag loaded on the camera in that crane shot chasing the cars. wonder if they're using scope lenses, though. the previous three all had that gorgeous cinemascope look that super35 lacks. spielberg & kaminski have never used them since they started working together.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    WELL, IF steven gets his way...

    by jajarsjockstrap

    it's film. he's a film guy, and he's said he's a film guy -- loves the history of it all...i think. anywho, hes the big man in charge, so im sure lucas will let him do as he wishes. also, im sure hell keep it as consistent as possible with the other films, so, yes it will be shot in a wide lense. in fact, im pretty damn sure he shot a recent movie using the widelense.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Was Sean Connery too old?

    by Kraken

    To play bad ass after bad ass in his 60's??

  • June 26, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    This thing had better not be plastic looking....

    by Mosquito March the SW prequels. It needs to look gritty and real. I really wish they'd go back to matte paintings and models for this one, to keep it consistent with the look of the other three. I think audiences would cut them that kind of slack for this kind of movie.

  • June 26, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by Trazadone

    ...and I agree with you about Sean Connery not being in it is a good thing. God his character was annoying and pointless. I don't know why Indy needs a "sidekick".

  • June 26, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Ass Ownage of the Haters

    by skycrapper

    that's what this should be called you ungrateful bastards.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Oh no

    by Silverglade

    Not the ol' "Guess what! You have a son you never knew about! Haha! And now that you've just met, you have to take him with you on your life-threatening adventures! Hah be careful with him!" trick. I was imagining Shia might just be a student at the college he had been mentoring and decides to bring along on an asskicking mission. Or something else.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    sucks already

    by Admiral Kirk

    Just read the script- I hate the opening prologue with indy on the uncharted island full of dinosaurs-dinos and aliens in one movie is just too much- feels too much like jurassic park and kingkong. If they wanted indy with dinosaurs they should have just made Indiana Jones and the Lost World of Dinosaurs back in 93 instead of park.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    sure it will

    by Admiral Kirk

    full of digital dinos and pygmys

  • June 26, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    yeah Admiral Kirk...

    by just pillow talk

    How'd you get your hands on that? I cannot believe that they would go that route with this movie..

  • June 26, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    what do you want me to get killed?

    by Admiral Kirk

    I can't tell you that.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Indy will die.

    by theonecalledshoe

    For other stuff: a 2-gunner indy and shotround involved would be good.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Admiral James T. Kirk

    by cornponious

    Email the script to me. If you don't, I'm just going to have to assume that you are really Supershadow.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Admiral, if a Klingon gave it to you...

    by finky089

    come on, Kirky baby, just admit that you're yanking our chains. You ain't read it yet. But there's two thigns we know FOR SURE that will happen: <p> 1) Indy uses "First Alert" to call Shia when he has FALLEN AND CAN'T GET UP and <p> 2) He'll pass that damn fedora to Abner Ravenwood junior at the end. Because that will piss off fans and Spielberg's been pretty good at that lately.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Not as bad at disappointing as his friend Lucas, though

    by finky089

    Munich I hear was good (generally, based on what I hear/read from family & friends). WotW was underwhelming. And Terminal- do I need to make the pun?

  • June 26, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    yeah... we want you to get killed Admiral ....

    by ludmir88

    but shia the college student makes sense don't you think? I mean some talkbacker here had good ideas about how it was going to be for example spider-man 3 but it failed big time with that crap of story that we all know now. The speculation thing is a good thing.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Reading the new batman script now.

    by Admiral Kirk

    I love how his eyes glow white when he's using his xray night vision. I remember that scene from the failed batman/superman script. It had superman using his xray vision and then batman-not to be outdone-turns a knob on his belt- his eyes glow white and we see that he also has xray vision. I forget but he says something to superman like"I like pink too" while looking at lois.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    I'll never understand

    by kwisatzhaderach

    how anyone could say Last Crusade was better than Temple of Doom. Last Crusade is like a lazy remake of Raiders. Temple of Doom was thrilling and one of the greatest cinema experiences a 10 year old could ever see. Raiders is still king though, one of the greatest movies ever made.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Four words: War of the Worlds

    by Rupee88

    Spielberg can phone it in when he feels like it and has no problems with crappy scripts. Don't get too excited about Indy 4. Yeah, Munich was very good but it's a different kind of film than Indy.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Shooting Digital?

    by codymr

    Any idea if Indy 4 is being shot on film (Spielberg's Preference) or Digitally (Lucas' Preference). I heard that Spielberg did some "Guest Directing" on Revenge of the Sith to get used to using 24p digital cinema camera systems. The camera mounted on the car jib looks to be digital... Anyone know?

  • June 26, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Lucas should stick to producing

    by The Central Scrutinizer

    He can't direct actors for shit and he writes terrible dialog. He's good at coming up with story ideas and directing action, but the prequels were god-awful. Where's Lawrence Kasdan and Irvin Kershner when you need them?

  • June 26, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    I like pink too-lol

    by septic sef

    that would make an awesome scene haha

  • June 26, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Admiral Kirk is obviously joking poeple!

    by Trazadone

    Clearly he didn't read the script. Indy with dinosaurs? Come on, he's just being a wise-ass!

  • June 26, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    "Oh my God! OhmyGodohmyGodohmyGOD, is he NUTS?!"

    by Osmosis Jones

    "He no nuts...he CRAZY!"

  • June 26, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    thanks jarjarjockstrap

    by xcornealiousx

    i was going to ask if anyone could make out if that camera was a film camera or a hi-def digital camera. i dont know enough about cameras to truly tell. your assumptions are the same as mine..ive read many articles about stephen talking about his love for pulling for that. Hi-Def has a place, star wars, matrix, etc..but indy needs that historic feel that film gives, in an authentic way.

  • June 26, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with the alien angle?

    by Mattyboy122

    You mean, aside from pissing all over the first three films? I mean, if aliens are responsible for our technology and religion, then the Ark no longer unleashes the wrath of God, the Sankara Stones are no longer gifts from Shiva, and the Holy Grail is no longer...well...holy. Why can't Indy just go after another relic? This proposed plot (which I pray isn't true) flips the first three films over and rapes them in the ass. Think about it.

  • June 26, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Mattyboy122, don't you know??

    by finky089

    It was alien technology that blew up Bellosh in Raiders. Lightning? Fire? Power of God? I don't think so. It was fucking Rah from Stargate, man!

  • June 26, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Hopefully a healthy dose of Nazi's

    by Baltimoron

    First Movie + Nazi's = Great Third Movie + Nazi's = Great Second Movie - Nazi's = Good, but not great. Maybe it was the inclusion of Chilled Monkey Brains...but I think it's Nazi's.

  • June 26, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    I wondered how long it would be before...

    by Gabba-UK

    ass raping was brought up in this TB. Agree with Baltimoron, Nazi's are key in all the Indy film. Without them the film ain't as good.

  • June 26, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Right on about the MUNICH comments Quint!!!

    by nopix

    That's exactly what I've been saying to my friends.

  • June 26, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    ahhh...good ole George

    by strongpot

    WTF? Lucas' body language implies he could not give a good-god-damn. He's so "frumpy" LOL

  • June 26, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I just shat myself

    by butnugget

    Much like Indy will in his colostomy bag. but I don't care!!!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    temple of doom didnt have nazis

    by Bouncy X

    so they arent always needed plus this new one takes place in the 50s...they're sorta gone by then.

  • June 26, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    so they arent always needed plus this new one takes pla

    by The Central Scrutinizer

    Plenty of Nazis in South America though...

  • June 26, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Before it gets out of hand... NO ONE KNOWS THE STORY!

    by moto

    It's funny to hear people already bitching about this whole "aliens" thing when that whole aspect is a frackin' internet rumor. <P> There is absolutely NO comment, interview, blurb, legit leaked script, legit leaked synopsis, etc. that states that the story revolves around Aliens. 100% complete internet fabrication. <p> So what's the use of bitching about it? IT'S NOT TRUE. At least not until we hear it from a legit source.

  • June 26, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by sparkflyer

    BACKWARDS SPOILER WITH NO SPACES .yugdabehtisttehcnalbetac.

  • June 26, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST


    by gargas

    That looks a lot like the road the drag race in American Graffiti was on - any chance?

  • June 26, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    colostomy bag

    by whataboutbob25

    colostomy bag

  • June 26, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    At work, can't watch the footage...

    by pjdon

    Munich amazed me though. It was like speilberg actually went back to the 70's to make it, it was so authentic and detailed.<p>They really don't make films like that any more, really proved to me that Speilberg is still as fresh and inventive as he was when he made Jaws.

  • June 26, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Leave Lucas alone ass wipes!

    by Norm3

    Now everybody's an expert on Body Language!

  • June 26, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Alien technology = midichlorians

    by DocPazuzu

    Just kidding.

  • June 26, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    this movie will kick ass

    by BLWiseass

    I hope....

  • June 26, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Indy blog entry #103

    by palewook

    Harrison crapped his depends and we had to stop shooting this morning.

  • June 26, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST


    by Kamala

    Shia LaBarf will star in the remake of the 80s horror classic "fright night". Mandy Moore will play his girlfriend, Dustin Diamond will play the vampire, and Jason Biggs is doing the motion capture acting for the character of Evil Ed, who will be done all in CGI. Directed by Tim Story. FEAR MOVES NEXT DOOR ON JULY 4, 2008!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Here you go... BIG SPOILER!!!

    by screamster101

    Rumor has it that Speilberg is tying in Close Encounters of the Third Kind aliens. Oh yeah... and get this shit... Guess who they pick up and take with them when they leave? You heard it here first!

  • June 26, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Movie is going blow

    by lost.rules

    But I hope it doesn't. Good luck Indy!

  • June 26, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Another positive review for Transformers on RT

    by lost.rules

    I suppose I will have to eat my own words. As will many of us.

  • June 26, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Cate Blanchett is really an alien bounty hunter

    by Reynard Muldrake

    ...and the Cigarette Smoking Man is going to have Indy tortured for the secret dinosaur bone-holding crystals, which leads his son Fox Mulder, played by Shia LeBeouf, to grow up an open a special unit at the Federal Bureau of Investigation. But not before a unicorn puts nipples on his dad's fedora and flames on his whip and tells him to keep an eye out for a chance to invest in a movie called "Little Miss Sunshine". Still, like everyone else revealing plot details, I could have no idea what the fuck I'm talking, so take that with a grain of salt.

  • June 26, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    lost.rules why will you have to eat your words?

    by pjdon

    I don't understand all the peolple going 'told you so! told you it would be good!' about TF.<p>No-one thought it was going to be anything less than a big Micheal Bay film, even if the reviews are brilliant the haters where still right in that they woill still not like it. Because they don't like Bay films.<p>If you didn't like Armageddon or The Island then you won't like TF.<p>I like Bay in a sense that i can enjoy his MTV style shit but no matter how perfect a Bay film TF is the Bay haters will still not like it.<p>I'm sure lost.rules you expected it to get good reviews but that doesn't make you wrong in saying it is a shallow piece of mass produced popcorn crap.<p>It is just a very good piece of crap.

  • June 26, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Don't understand the people assuming this

    by pjdon

    will be crap, when was the last time Speilberg was less than brilliant.<p>Just think of the last buch of films he made... Catch me if you Can, Minority Report, The Terminal, War of the Worlds, Munich.<p>How many other directors do you know in their 60's producing so many quality films within such a short space of time?<p>The films he has made in the last 6 years or so would be enough for most young directors to call a successful carrer.<p>But instead it is a director in his 60's who is winding down after 3 decades at the top.<p>People praise Scorssese or Coppola for making a couple of standout films early in their carreer and then just making geric shit for the rest of their lives.<p>Spielberg gets shit even though h has had the equivilent of 3 amazing careers.<p>Most directors would have peaked at ET or the first Indy instead he went on to seemingly peak again with Savong Private Ryan or Schindlers List. And now it looks like it might be another 10 years before we see the old man start to slow down.<p>He has made 6 films sinse 2000, all of them fresh, different and of great scale, i cannot think of any young director (maybe Soderberg) who could have the energy and skill to work so fast.

  • June 26, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    the last time Speilberg was less than brilliant

    by Kamala

    Hook, Always, Amistand (what ever the fuck that was called), and The Terminal....

  • June 26, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    The Star Wars Prequels FUCKING RULE

    by ObiWanCon

    they FUCKING RULE and in 30 years time they'll still FUCKING RULE mark my words.

  • June 26, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    new superman script is much better

    by Admiral Kirk

    superman is going to punch zod through a mountain in the next movie causing a volcanic eruption. At least he's going to punch something this time.As for indy- it'll be exactly like the southpark episode with added digital pygmys."i'm gonna blow up the film speilburg""we are just moving through history- THIS is REVISED history. There are new digital effects beyond your wildest dreams in here- you want to see it screened as I do!"

  • June 26, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST


    by Quintus_Arrius

    TF will be a guilty pleasure. And I'm hoping Indie4 will be at least very good.

  • June 26, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Too bad about Munich's ending though

    by half vader

    ...Where he just couldn't resist the lead-heavy shot of the two towers, as if the issues in the rest of the story weren't important enough. So he had to indercut them with an on-the-nose blatant visual metaphor. Way to fall at the last hurdle Steve.

  • June 26, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Kamala - them films are pretty impressive

    by pjdon

    for the low points of a career.<p>Even if they had faults they still each did something new with film making....<p>Hooks effects and production values.<p>The epic recreation of a period in Amistad and building an entire airport for the Terminal.<p>Francis Ford Coppola directed Jack and still gets called a genius.

  • June 26, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    half vader - the 2 towers shot was a bit off

    by pjdon

    but i admired the fact that the had the guts to make a film that required constant attention and thought. A lot of people I know turned it off before the end because they got confused or bored.<p>Films these days seem to insistent on keeping the audiences attention or satisying with dramatic or explosive endings.<p>Munich reminded me of the French Connection or All the Presidents Men.

  • June 26, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    I liked the Two Towers shot

    by lost.rules

    Sort of reminds you that Avner will never escape the cycle of violence. As will none of us will, I suppose.

  • June 26, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I'll wait for the DVD for all 500 production diaries

    by Orionsangels


  • June 26, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    lost.rules - I didn't think I needed reminding

    by pjdon

    the rest of the film avoided pushing it's ideals on you.

  • June 26, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Sounds Like Tomb Raider 3 (The Game)

    by Mako

    No really... the more I'm hearing about the "possible" plot to Indy 4... the more it's beginning to sound like some of the major plot to the TR game (which includes Area 51 and alien stuff) blah blah blah

  • June 26, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    LucasFilm's last film ever?

    by Anakin Whoopass

    With Lucas talking up TV production and talking down the risk and hassles of features, could Indy IV be the last time the LucasFilm title card ever appears on the big screen? How is this film being financed, anyway? Lucas self-financing like the prequels, or is Paramount paying for this?

  • June 26, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    Harrison Ford for Indiana Jones !

  • June 26, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    I'm sure if someone told

    by pjdon

    you the plot for the Last Crusade now you would all slag it...<p>'What? Holy Grail? Immortality? An immortal knight? Indy's dad?'<p>It all sounds rubish, i'm sure Speilberg knows what he is doing.<p>And leave Shia alone, maybe he gets roles because a lot of people like him.

  • June 26, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    The camera

    by RokurGepta

    used to shoot the behind the scenes documentary is a Canon XL1, which is actually the same model of camera which was used to shoot the film 28 days later. <p> The camera attached to the jig, doesn't appear to have those Micky Mouse ear looking film canisters, and I'm going out on a limb and "assuming" that the camera is a high definition digital camera....

  • June 26, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Phantom Menace is the best prequel

    by performingmonkey

    All they need to do is enhance the CG in the final battles and it will piss all over Attack Of The Clones and Revenge Of The Sith. Podrace is an amazing sequence (I will always stand by that) and the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Lord Maul saber fight blows anything else away (name me anything that comes close in Clones and Sith - P.S. if you say Yoda I will kill you in cold blood) OK, Jake Lloyd as Anakin is plain annoying, but is he more annoying that Hayden Christenson? The answer to that question is - NO. Hayden annoys me more because at that age he should be VADER, you don't care if he isn't badass Vader when he's ten-years-old, but in Clones and Sith he should be much more than a whiney idiot who comes across as being so incredibly dumb for falling into Palpatine's trap and so incredibly weak for fucking up his life by marrying Padme. If someone told me ten years ago that Lucas was going to show Vader as a weak, whiney fuckup in the prequels who spouts dialogue about sand being brittle I would have shot first like Greedo in the special edition New Hope. After watching the prequel trilogy last week I've come to the conclusion that Attack Of The Clones just needs to be *said in Doc Emmett Brown's voice* erased...from existence. Seriously, how can you watch the scenes in the middle of the movie with Obi scoping out the water planet with those tall aliens talking about 'Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas' without picking up your DVD player and beating a small child to death with it? And don't get me started on the 'we could keep it a secret, we would be living a lie' crap in the 'scenes' between Anakin and Padme (Lucas wouldn't have been given another job, EVER, after those scenes if he wasn't self-financing his own fucked up mess. Why why WHY couldn't he have let someone else direct Clones and Sith??) At least Episode 1 resembles a Star Wars movie, if one that's on acid.

  • June 26, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    You know what.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Something about seeing those two old fuckers working together again just washed away any and all doubts I may have had. I've drunk the Kool-Aid. Bring on this shit!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST


    by Mosquito March

    I agree with you. TPM was the only one that sort of still resembled the OT in texture, and the Podrace - apart from the Anakin and the alien competitors and commentators - is more thrilling to me now than any of the space battles from the OT. And, while I wholeheartedly support your assessment of the QG/OW/Maul fight at the end, my favorite fight in the entire franchise will always be the skirmish between Qui-Gon and Maul on Tattooine. It lasts maybe three seconds, but it's fast and ferocious and is the closest Lucas ever came to making a samurai sword battle in his samurai-inspired movies. And though we all know Lucas didn't intend it that way, it harkened back to Han blasting Greedo in the Cantina. That's how badass motherfuckers ought to roll. I can't believe he continued on to make such uninspired fights in the subsequent prequels, ESPECIALLY the Anakin/Obi-Wan fight.

  • June 26, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST


    by jajarsjockstrap

    Well, it is. I mean, when the only negative comments center around age, lucas (when he's not even the director)and Star Wars (which has NOTHING to do with Indiana Jones, aside from club Obi Wan), I consider it a good day in the talkbacks. Let's all admit it: this has the POTENTIAL to kick all kinds of unholy ass. let's hope it does.

  • June 26, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Disney is adding Shia Labeouf

    by Admiral Kirk

    to the indiana jones ride.It'll be an animatronic shia fucking a cat

  • June 26, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Has there ever been...

    by darthvedder81

    ...a talkback that didn't devolve in to a Star Wars bash-fest? Seriously, it could be a TB on Die Hard 4 and you people would still find a way to poop on Star Wars. Which is ironic if only because if it weren't for the hype surrounding all things Star Wars half of you turkeys wouldn't even be here. You know it to be true.

  • June 26, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Nice commercial

    by MrCere

    This will be a series of commercials for HOW GREAT THIS MOVIE WILL BE! Look at us suck it up. It is kinda sad.

  • June 26, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    The thing about the prequels are this....

    by Wed Vid Guy

    GREAT storyline. It shows how a democratic republic can voluntarily choose tyranny. It shows how the jedi order lost their way and became too detached. It showed how someone as innocent as Annikan can turn to the dark side. The elements are there for a great trilogy of movies. Unfortunately, George Lucas wrote the screenplays so that extra polish and depth that Lawrence Kasdan brought to Empire and Jedi were missing. Still, nothing touches Darth Maul.

  • June 26, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    The problem with the prequals

    by pjdon

    was that they where different genres of film than the original trilogy.<p>The OT was a space western about a farmboy and a pirate on an adventure.<p>The PT where decade spanning sci-fi operas.<p>You could replace the space setting of the OT and still have the same film becasue it is not about sci-fi stuff it is about relateable people on an adventure.<p>You couldn't replace the setting of the PT becasue they are not adventure movies that happen to be set in a sci-fi fantasy world, they are movies about that sci-fi fantasy world.<p>The PT are films about a place and it's history wheras the OT are an adventure set incidently within that world.<p>It is obvious that Lucas did not want them to be simlar to the OT otherwize he would have set the time-line to within a year or so rather than spreading a number of characters stories out over 2 decades.

  • June 26, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    great point pjdon

    by jonboy83

    you summed it up better than i could have. but there will always be people who wont admit how much the new trilogy sucked bc they think that that will detract form the OT. seriously, how many times have any of you watched the new trilogy? i saw ep one : 2, ep 2: 2, ep 3 : 1

  • June 26, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Deja Vu!!!!

    by punisher5150

    I "acquired" a copy of Jeb Stuart's Indy 4 draft from 1995. Jeb Stuart was no stranger to action movies. He wrote the screenplay for one of the greatest (the original Die Hard!!! He is also the screenwriter for the upcoming John Rambo!) This looks like a scene from that legendary Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars screenplay. In it, Indy infiltrates a military base where a crashed UFO is being kept in secret. Other similarities to what is known about the current Indy 4 that is filming: Early in the script there is a car chase at Princeton. (Indy is getting married and the bride to be is kidnapped on wedding day that leads to above chase). Turns out the one he loves is actually a military spy and is wanted by the Russians! The Russians are the bad guys, there are alien artifacts with writings similar to our own ancient civilizations, etc. I must say, I am the biggest Indy fan in the world. Raiders is my favorite movie of all time!! But if they are making this turd, I will be completely dissapointed!

  • June 26, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Well I think having some kind

    by pjdon

    of alien artifact (without actually having aliens) would give the film a fresh feel. It would also be suitable for the 50's setting.<p>Having some kind of alien artifact is no sillier than the Lost Ark of Holy Grail and at least it would give the film a different feel.<p>As long as there where no actual aliens in it.

  • June 26, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    I just hope they keep it all

    by pjdon

    quite simple, the mcguffin should remian a mcguffin and the focus of the film should be on the adventure itself.<p>If they get the adventure elements and the character right the plot could be about him finding a magic dildo and the film will still be good.

  • June 26, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    yeah forget religeous artifacts

    by Admiral Kirk

    bring on the 50s alien artifacts- I can see it now indy finds megatron buried in the ice and megatron is the originator of all earth technology.If they kept doin godstuff- what are you gonna have? the shroud of turin-some dead sea scrolls- there's no other way to go but aliens,dinosaurs and maybe atlantis. These are cliffhanger serials- bring on the aliens. I want a classic 50s saucer jammed in a crate next to the ark. Indy needs to kick a grey's ass with brocolli-crunch punches.

  • June 26, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    More Saucer Men from Mars info

    by punisher5150

    Unfortunately, aliens and flying saucers played a huge role in the finale, with spider-like aliens actually trying to communicate with Indy and the heroine (Elaine). The artifact ends up being the fuel supply for their saucers and harnesses huge amounts of power, which apparently caused the destruction of some of our ancient civilizations. You can read a better synopsis of the draft here: I am not against keeping some of the action scenes from the script, but the stroy was pretty bad. I would really like to see some of the "other" numerous drafts written into new Indy novels or something. The Frank Darabont script, the one from David koepp, M. Night., etc. It was widely reported that Spielberg really liked the Darabont script. He told Frank he "really nailed it" and it was the best script since Raiders. But Lucas didn't like it. He wanted to keep the original "macguffin" of the alien artifact. Apparently Darabont's script was a completely new story without that element.

  • June 26, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    If we are getting the best bits

    by pjdon

    of scripts from Dharabont, Koepp and M.Night plus the final say from Speilberg and Lucas I think we are going to get a pretty perfect film.<p>Although maybe a case of too many cooks and too much hype might have clouded their visions.<p>They probably didn't need to put too much thought into the mcguffin for the other 3 films.

  • June 26, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see the saucer men idea

    by pjdon

    but keep the ending ambigious as to whether it is really aliens or whatever.<p>Also russians are nearly as good at being bad-guy as nazis.

  • June 26, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    regularfacetoht - the 'feel' of the

    by pjdon

    indy films comes from the style of adventure and characters, if the film is set in the 50's and the enemy is new and the mcguffin is of a different backgroungd then it can still have the same 'feel'.<p>You could have another religious artifact and set it back in the 20's or 30's and it could still not 'feel' like Indy.<p>For this to be like the starwars PT it would have to be set over 30 years and be about a bunch of random characters and more about Nazi history than adventure.<p>As long as it is about Indy looking for something and people getting in his way then it will 'feel' like Indy.<p>I can't wait for that classic Indy adventure except with a newish setting.

  • June 26, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    I like the idea that the

    by pjdon

    alien artifact in this film is connected to the ark. Maybe the alien artifact needs the ark to operate or something.<p>Also regularfacetoht surely the Temple of Dooms mcguffin wasn't religious, it was just a random stone that seemed to have been come up with by Lucas and co in the space of 5 mins.<p>None of the Indy films have been about the Mcguffins in any way. They are about the people trying to get the mcguffins.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    pjdon, Spielberg is living off his name now

    by Kamala

    And Coppola hasn't made a good film in about 25 years. Orson Wells made complete garbage late in his career as well. I am a big Spielberg fan, but he has made a COMPLETE good films since Saving Private Ryan. War of the Worlds, great first hour, than pffffst! Catch Me If Can was ok, but that was about it. I miss the films that he made the whole rock the whole summer and be all every one talked about. The Terminal is that film.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I think if Speilberg and Lucas

    by pjdon

    want to know if their new mcguffin is a good choice they should ask themselves 'could we change it to another mcguffin altogether and still keep 95% of the scrip the same?'<p>This could have been done with the other films easily. If the mcguffin is too detailed, complex and too tied into the plot of the film then it is in danger of being a movie about the mcguffin istead of Indys adventure to find it.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Kamala - I know speilberg

    by pjdon

    hasn't made a 'classic' big event movie in the last few years. But he did say back in 99 or something that he just wanted to have 'fun' from now on. Not get too bogged down by making each of his films the 'next big thing'.<p>For a director to take it easy and make AI, Minortiy Report, Catch me if you Can, The Terminal, War of the Worlds and Munich in 7 years is pretty amazing.<p>All of these films could be put alongside Empire of the Sun, Color Purple etc as Speilberg making smaller projects.<p>To have these films, films that most directors would call their big films, as his 'filler' films says alot about him.<p>Most directors talk for years about making a film then spend a couple of years making it. Speilberg announced, prepared and shot War of the Worlds in less than a year. And anyone who complains about the films ending should remember that that is the original ending of WOTW, he did the best that could be done with it.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Saying Speilberg is 'living of his name'

    by pjdon

    is saying that he is not pushing boundries anymore. Well I can't think of any film i'd seen that was like Minority Report or WOTW or Munich.<p>True they didn't grab the publics imagination but you can't expect everthing he does to be groundbreaking to that extent.<p>Think of any great artist in any art form.<p>The greats normally innovate at one point, usually eary on in their career. They make one piece of art that changes the medium forever.<p>Very few repeat this feat. Coppola made the Godfather, Scorsesse made Taxi Driver and then they made films that whilst where good didn't change cinema again.<p>Speilberg changed cinema as we know it with Jaws, then ET, then Indy, then Jurrasic Park, then Saving Private Ryan, then Schindlers List.<p>It is like he got a time machiene and went back and made all the landmark films.<p>To expect him to change cinema yet again is unrealistic. I'm haooy with him just taking it easy and making one brilliant film a year for the next decade or so.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    AI,Minority Report, Munich someof best movies of decade

    by Proman1984

    Kamala you can go fuck yourself. Nobody agrees with you. Just stop being a funspoiler and let us enjoy the moment. P.S. Lincon, Interstallar and whatever's next WILL change cinema.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Proman1984 liek i said

    by pjdon

    i think i'd be ok if the berg didn't change cinema again, in fact it would be a bit wierd if he did.<p>If any new director made AI, Minortiy Report, Catch me if you Can, The Terminal, War of the Worlds and Munich in 7 years we would all be like 'wow, that's amazing they are all really good films and all so different, how did he make them all so fast?'<p>But when it is Speilberg, a 61 year old man does it at the tail end of a 30+ year career we go 'oh, he's slipping a bit'.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Again, the whole alien plot is a decoy.

    by wadi77

    They clearly let the Jeb Stuart’s “Saucer Men” script out, and they also aware that everybody already knew that the Frank Darabont’s script is also about aliens. <p>They let everyone eats it up, while keeping the actual plot/mcguffin under secrecy.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    I think they should announce what the mcguffin is now

    by pjdon

    keeping it under wraps just makes everyone concentrate on an element of the film that aint that important.<p>Like I said they shouldn't put too much thought into the mcguffin because that is not what will make the film.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I think I saw an alien driving one of those vehicles!!!

    by wackybantha

    Oh,'s just a pile o' rags.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    the talkbackers' own script begins!!!!

    by ludmir88

    the alien thing sounds stupid by the way. I think it was Shia in the car actually. Spielberg is getting old to do this!!! please don't make it suck.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    the rabbit's foot = worst mcguffin ever!!!!!

    by ludmir88

    someone get that Indy script!!!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Speilberg still seems to have the mind

    by pjdon

    of a 20 yr old. Same as Clint Eastwood. 77 and he still produces, dirests, composes the music for and stars in ground breaking films.<p>I want some of what these guys are taking.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    I just read the Transformers 2 script

    by Gotta Eat Mancats

    More flames on Optimus and his new trailer, which is pimped out with 22" rims and 50 different flat paned LCD screens, Megatron gets outfitted with grillz, so he can maniacally smile in style,Bumblebee says "NO YOU DIDN'T" the whole movie, and Shia fucks three cats. I smell Empire Strikes Back like pwnage here. God Bless you Michael Bay

  • June 26, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    oh yeah....

    by Gotta Eat Mancats

    god bless you too Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, two of the most radical, pimpin, for reals writerz in hollywood

  • June 26, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    I get people having problems with

    by pjdon

    the new TF film but not the elemnts which are used to contemporize it.<p>People seem to think that the robots should come to earth and disguise themselves as cars from the 80's. If you go by that rational then in the G1 series they would have come down to earth and disguised themselves as cars from the 50's.<p>When they announced the re-make of Escape from New York people complained that the would make everything contemporary and that would go against what made the original so cool.<p>They seemed to forget that in the 80's dressing up Kurt Russel in a leather waste coat and mullett was the most 'hip' and 'contemporary' choice at the time.<p>People need to let films embrace the state of society in the time in which they are made. Just because some of us think that music/style/cars etc where better in the movies of the past should remember that you would have had exactly the same opinion of trends 20 years ago.<p>If TF was never made in the 80's and they made it today then Optimus would probably be pimped, Bumblebee would be a camero etc.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    It's like how people complain about people using

    by pjdon

    a lot of mobile phones in films now or roll their eyes if someone uses an ipod in a film.<p>Not having these elements in a contempory film would be like taking denim or big hair out of an 80's film or taking flares out of a 70's film.

  • June 26, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Indy Day, New Haven and Marcus Brody is Back?

    by MitchMan710

    Indiana Jones Day in New Haven, CT – June 26, 2007 and what happened to Marcus Brody The excitement was building, dozens of tractor trailer trucks bearing the name Paramount Pictures, New Haven, CT lined the streets of New Haven, signs and pamphlets from Genre Productions on every lamp post telling about an upcoming chase scene and do not leave bicycles unattended this Thursday, Friday and Saturday as they will be removed, carpenters and painters are working overtime, lamp posts and fire hydrants being repainted, shop windows taking a trip back in time, why? Because Indian Jones is coming to New Haven! But before that … it’s Indiana Jones Day in the Elm City and tones of fans, and city residents turned out to take part in the fun all compliments of the New Haven Cultural Events Committee and a little company called, Lucasfilm! For the kids it there were face painters, sidewalk drawings, balloon animals, carousel rides, moon bounces, rock climbing walls, and more – all free! And for the adults, food and drink specials, music, entertainment, and contests from the “We Named the Dog, Indiana” (which we won – as that IS my dog’s name – for real) and everywhere you heard John Williams “Raiders” theme echoing all around. We were entertained by the bull-whipping, fire eating and aerial acrobatics of the Aerial Angels! The local symphonies had a salute to John Williams and played music from the Indy trilogy – and it was capped by what else – a free outdoor showing of “Raiders of the Lost Ark”. The crowd gathered applauded, after Mayor of New Haven, John DeStefano thanked everyone for coming to New Haven and then the movie started - as the credits appeared, (it was on the screen backwards – but fixed in seconds) and REALLY wild as Indiana Jones entered the screen, after whipping the gun from his turncoat guide. Indian Jones was back in action once again and the crowd loved it! Across the streets at the offices at Genre Productions, the lights were on and the door open as staff members busily prepared for the upcoming shoot. I met tons of fans including the fellow who was first in line at the casting call, who was also not picked, but we had a great time and promised to meet up on Thursday and watch the chase scene down College and Chapel Street! The new “old” buildings and what really happened to Marcus Brody! I added new photos of the store fronts on – (and also check the local newspaper site and video from local New Haven channel 8 that will have features on Wednesday and all during shooting– check out’s website and do a search for Indiana Jones.) Adding to the Woolworths, newsstand, and men’s clothing store was now a pawn shop (that had a tenor sax in the window – maybe Indy sold his old music instrument to buy a new fedora – fans of the Young Indy Chronicles, may remember last time Harrison Ford played Indy in 1993 – he played one), a bridal/groom shop, a bakery, and more – but the best is Brody’s Barber Shop – is that a nod to the dearly missed friend, Marcus Brody (played by the late, great Denholm Elliot or Sheriff Brody from Jaws). It was nice to see it – maybe Marcus gave up the museum and started cutting hair! I spoke with a fellow painting the lamp posts with grey wall paper paste – (it looks clean on film and washes away with plain water). He pointed out all the parking meters were down, and hydrants painted grey and black – the Yale doors were being finished before they are wrecked by a truck, too. More construction is going on all night with doors open to old buildings filled with carpenters and craftsman. Filming on York Street tonight We were excited to see a sign on a Yale building and a production assistants asking folks to be quiet – it was a film – but we were told it was a Leonardo DeCaprio film shooting and not Indy IV – but they did a chase scene last night according to my “inside” friends. More to come Check out the sites and scenes for the great night in New Haven on and look for more reports this week as me and my kids go down and watch the action! That’s all for now --

  • June 26, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Quint Knows Nothing....

    by DarthDooku

    about SW. If you see the wohole story that George Lucas has woven, you'll see how meaningful and deep the prequels are. I understand that some things were bad calls on his part, first and foremost being Jar Jar Binks. But those small things aside, it's adds depth and a whole lot more to the original movies. Perhaps you should take another look? :)

  • June 26, 2007, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I got a Jones on for this

    by aboriginal

    Just don't give away too much 'cuz I'll watch it all.

  • June 26, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    DarthDooku - that doesn't change the

    by pjdon

    fact that the prequals are a different genre than the originals.<p>I agree they are deep and epic if you look into them but I was a fan of the adventure films that where the original trilogy and not the type of films the prequals where.<p>I was never really a sci-fi person which is why i loved the Original trilogy. The prequals are completely sci-fi orientated so that kind of put me off.<p>They do add depth to the originals but do you really need all that background? I enjoyed the originals for 20 years without knowing the entire life story of Anakin.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    regularfacetoht I have seen a fair few trucks with

    by pjdon

    flames on them. Don't really see why a paint job is that important. Who can really say that flames don't look better than no flames.<p>If the original Optimus had flames and Bay took them away you would all be shouting 'No flames on optimus = nipples on batman'.<p>So it is not about what looks good it is about being nosalgic about superficial details.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Indy should get with the times and wear a ZUIT SUIT!!!

    by wackybantha

    That would be like so totally cool and stuff!!! Just like Tom cat in that one Tom & Jerry cartoon!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Or is that a ZOOT SUIT????

    by wackybantha

    Somebody learned help me out here!!!

  • June 26, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    regularfacetoht - I agree, people always

    by pjdon

    complain about Jar Jar but imagine if he was removed how dull the prequals would be then.<p>He is maybe one of the elements which kind of matches the original trilogys sense of fun.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Did you just give away a spoiler?

    by wackybantha


  • June 26, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Give Lucas a break...

    by zabu79

    Sure I wanted to strangle him after watching the prequels..but he lost his neck. Let's just pray he doesn't ruin "Howard the Duck 2."

  • June 26, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    regularfacetoht - i don't particuarly like Jar Jar

    by pjdon

    but i just hink he was the least of the prequals issues.<p>I think if he had of remained a consistant character throughout the whole thing he could have grown on me.<p>Actually that is another reason why the prequals don't work, because they are so spread out. We have Qui Gon, Obi One, Anakin and Jar Jar as the main characters in 1, Anakin (but with a different actor) and Padmne with Obi on the side lines in 2 and no real central hero at all in 3.<p>If George had set the whole prequal story within the space of a year or two just before Anakin becomes Vader we could have had one group of characters to follow and grow to love.<p>Getting rid of Jar Jar because fans didn't like him is as big a mistake as anything else.<p>But anyway what I meant is that Jar Jar at least represented a bit of a risk and carefree attitude that was abundant in the OT. The rest of the PT was just too souless and depressing.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST


    by WarmFuzzyBalls

    Meesa liken Jar Jar. Jar Jar save Jedi who tinkin dey so good.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    No, Han shooting first was the carefree risk.

    by superninja

    Jar Jar is Greedo shoots first. :) <p> But I get your point. Prequels should've been told from Obi-Wan's POV and made Anakin seem more likeable instead of the petulant Darth Turd from planet Tigerbeat.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    regularfacetoht - I'm sure Optimus

    by pjdon

    didn't look for a truck which represented his age he just picked the first one he saw.<p>Do agree about Bumblebee though, just because a bettle would have been interesting to see in robot mode.<p>I'm not really in defense of the changes made, and i do sympathize with the TF fans, i however can't wait to see some Bay fun as I never read the comics, i only really watched the cartoons and after re-watching the movie recently have decided that any real characterization or depth must be solely in the comics.<p>Anyway, I was kind of just trying to say that people jump on design changes even when they make sense. People jumped on Spideys organic web shooters even though it was an obvious choice that took away nothing from the character. Any sign of Indy doing something that is more consistant with the 50's than the 20's will be jumped on also.

  • June 26, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    I really hate Jar Jar, actually.

    by superninja

    But not as much as I hate midichlorians.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    superninja - how about having

    by pjdon

    Obi as the Han Solo cyinical character and anakin starting the films like Luke but then going to the dark side.<p>I really felt there was no hero character in any of the films.<p>No-one a kid would look at and go 'wow i want to be him!'<p>As a kid i had Solo and Luke to admire, kids now have Anakin talking about 'love is blind' (cough, cough, fag) or Obi just looking bored most of the time.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    midichlorians - represents

    by pjdon

    another mayjor aspect of why the PT went agaisnt the OT.<p>The whole point of the SW universe was that it felt real and this included people living in it not dissussing the universe like they had never been there.<p>This is usually a big mis-step sci-fi makes (Homer: 'Oh what a bleak future we live in!' Bart: 'Present dad, present'). Lucas always said he didn't want character having to explain stuff, he didn't want boring sci-fi talk. His universe didn't need explaining or disscussing it was like the real world.<p>Actually stoping the film and having a character go 'Qui Gin, what are midichlorians?' and then have Qui Gon go 'blah blah blah blah blah' just goes 100% against Lucas' mantra for the whole concept of SW.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Phantom Menace indeed best of the prequels

    by Prossor

    Liam Neeson is like the best actor of the prequels, Maul fight pisses over Clones/Sith videogames, heck i can even let Anakin pass since how else would a 12 year old kid act, thank fuck they didn't make him creepy and moody to begin with. The only bad thing is the Jar Jar abortion, and the Phantom Edit fixes that!

  • June 27, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Digital or Film

    by Munro Kelly

    It's being shot on film. In the video, when Spielberg is lining up a shot on the car hood, the camera is the "Panavision Millenium". The camera car is known as: "The Russian Crane" or "Russian Arm". This crane usually comes with a Arriflex camera attached. At "" in the "in production" section, someone who works at Panavision, reported the film package went out with 8 or 9 cameras. That's enough cameras for the first unit, the second unit and possibly a third.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    regular, wouldn't it have been great had Lucas put

    by superninja

    that much thought into preserving the OT? I also thought it should've been a love triangle, and having Anakin go bad. Who cares if it's similar to the OT, make all the movies about the contrast between Anakin and Luke - a very powerful message in and of itself.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Kamala and pjdon are wrong to varying degrees

    by Mattyboy122

    Kamala: you obviously haven't seen F For Fake to say something as baseless as "Orson Wells made complete garbage late in his career as well." (Nice mispelling of his name, btw) At any rate, Welles made some of the greatest films of all time, which is a huge feat considering what little he had to work with. pjdon: Saying Scorsese and Coppola produced significantly lesser works after The Godfather and Taxi Driver is pretty much wrong. The Conversation, The Godfather: Part II, and Apocalypse Now are all masterpieces (though he has, admittedly, fallen by the wayside in the decades since). Scorsese's Raging Bull and GoodFellas are recognized classics and are often considered better than Taxi Driver, and unlike Coppola, Scorsese has continued to make good/great films (in the same way Spielberg has, it's just that Spielberg has the good fortune of making films that are more commercial, so you hear more about his films than Scorsese's). However, pjdon is right on a number of things: Spielberg has not lost his touch. He's made some really wonderful films in recent years (Catch Me If You Can, aside from a semi-lame last shot, is perfection). Spielberg's biggest problem in the last decade or so has been ending his movies; he just doesn't know when to draw the line. And this isn't something terribly recent, it's present as far back as Schindler's List. That movie has one of the most atrocious last 5 mins of any movie I've seen. Up until then, it's so great, so powerful. But instead of ending it as Schindler drives away, he tacks on the pointless scene of the Russian soldier 'liberating' Schindler's Jews and that cringe-inducing shot of Schindler's Jews walking across the horizon. And, to add insult to injury, the fourth-wall-breaking scene of the real-life person being escorted by the actor that played him/her as he/she puts a stone on Schindler's grave. My God. Save that for the DVD or something. Anyway, aside from his problem with ending his flicks (Minority Report is perfection until the last 10 mins when it suddenly feels like the Care-Bears movie with its warm and fuzziness), Spielberg has been stretching out a lot. I honestly think that, at this point, he should stretch out further; what more can he add to his craft in making another Indiana Jones flick? There are many other stories to tell! I want to see his Lincoln flick and Interstellar! Now, on to Indy 4: If it's alien-free and Shia isn't Indy's spawn, I'm willing to give this a chance (though Shia's presence alone is pretty damn upsetting).

  • June 27, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    pjdon, yes, it seemed Lucas was totally fixed

    by superninja

    on explaining away everything that attracted to people to SW to begin with. <p> Jedi? Brainwashed monkeys that don't free slaves. <p> Darth Vader? Ani, the whiney teenage girl. <p> The Force? Scientific! <p> Yoda? Ninja jedi.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Oh, I would've preferred it to be a real love triangle

    by superninja

    since the OT love triangle is not real, for the most part. The Aruthurian love triangle to show the Golden Age had truly ended. It would give Anakin a legitimate reason to hate Obi-Wan and still make his choice inexecusable. It would make Obi-Wan and Padme somewhat guilty but sympathetic still. Tragic. It would sufficiently explain Obi-Wan's attachment to Luke and his wistful feelings (which have absolutely no connection to the PT as is). <p> "You betrayed me over a woman. A woman!" Isn't there a movie with a line like that in it? Anyway, I wanted to see an exchange like that in the PT.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Mattyboy122 - wasn't really dissmissing

    by pjdon

    godfather 2 or apocolypse now with coppola or raging bull and goodfellas with scorsese. Count all them films as their early careers e=ven though goodfellas was int he 90s i suppose.<p>But after scorsesse had started re-hashing his own style (Casino, Gangs, The Departed) the Berg was still innovating. In the 90s he changed the world of special effects in JP, showed us all for the first time what WW2 was actually like in Ryan and showed the realities of the holocaust for the first time in List.<p>If you look at other members of the 70's directors brat pack then they all seem to be obbsessed with making 'epic' style swords and sandle films, gangster eoics or biopics.<p>Why can't Scorssese make a small film about a character like Taxi Driver, why does each of his films now have to have 'oscar fodder' stamped all over it?<p>Even the Departed he changed from the character based drama which was Infernal Affairs into a sprawling gangster film which skipped forwards 3 months ever 5 minutes leaving us feeling slightly cold towards the characters

  • June 27, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Batman. That's what the Joker says to his boss

    by superninja

    before he whacks him. Knew I'd heard that line somewhere. Anyway, Anakin should've been likeable but when he snaps he loses it all the way, it's over for him - a fatal flaw. You could've had the Emperor exploit the whole thing trying to lead Anakin to think more was going on between Obi-Wan and Padme than actually was.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    I can't believe people are apologising for the Prequels

    by IndustryKiller!

    This marks a new level of idiocy here at AICN. How bad does something have to be for you people to not like it? My God there really is no accounting for taste.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller, that is mild compared to some of

    by superninja

    it. King George has his loyalists.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST

    regularfacetoht - I don't think

    by pjdon

    that it is that plausible that the PT should be done so it doesn't spoil the OT. Even if it where done perfectly i would still like it to be that any new commers would watch the OT first.<p>But you guys are right, having one actor play anakin through all 3 films and having them be mainly about him and obi ones relationship would have worked much better. I just never felt any connection between them as i never felt any connection between anakin and padmne.<p>But i don't think love triangle, i think that it should be that anakin falls in love with Padmne and Obi dissaproves and tells the council and that is what causes the rift.<p>I think it would work better if Obi is the type who wouldn't betray his Jedi ways and that is what separates them.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Someone disapproving makes you kill baby Jedi?

    by superninja

    Oh dear. Nah, he has to do something way more personal than simply disapprove of his girlfriend.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Also, baby Jedi? Stupid.

    by superninja

    It's one thing to have them around, it's another to put them in the movie and show them training.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    superninja - maybe a more realistic

    by pjdon

    slow burning turn to the darkside. When you thing about it killing over a girl is a bit daft to.<p>Maybe having the Jedi's inadvertently lead to padmnes death, Anakin blames them all especially Obi.<p>Anyway nite all.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    No, everyone gets jealousy. Because no one

    by superninja

    is immune to it. Crimes of passion are common for a reason.

  • June 27, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    I think Scorsese

    by Mattyboy122

    making Oscar-bait has more to do with a. financing and b. winning an Oscar (which we can mark off now that he's won). I don't think there's a big demand for smaller character-based films that Scorsese was famous for, so he has done some rehashing of his style (namely with Casino). But Spielberg has done the same (Jurassic Park and The Lost World, for one). Plus, lest we forget, Spielberg habitually deals with his failed father figures, WWII settings, etc, which one, I guess, could argue as rehashing (I'd say they're the signature of an artist, but I'd say the same for Scorsese's continual work with crime dramas). Coppola, unfortunately, has suffered a distinct fall from grace (which is made the more tragic by the fact that he possibly had the greatest decade ever for a filmmaker in the 1970's). Lucas, unfortunately, hasn't gone back to the smaller films like he said he would (I'd love to see him go back to that sort of stuff). De Palma...well...I don't even know what he's doing anymore. Same for Milius. Scorsese and Spielberg, I'd say, are holding up the strongest of that generation of filmmakers.

  • June 27, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST


    by IndiAbbey Jones

    I completly agree with you on the idea that the Ark of the Covenant is tied into this. I would love to see a wee old guy shoving crates through that big wharehouse again....then be killed by Commie infiltrators! And I've said it before but will say it again - Ford WILL say to KAREN ALLEN in this movie " It's not the mileage, it's the years" FACT!

  • June 27, 2007, 2:55 a.m. CST

    GO GO GO GO!!!!

    by echobase


  • June 27, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Dinos and Creatures TRUE

    by Dietrich

    It's a fact that Stan Winston Studios is creating Dinos and other creatures for Indy IV. Will this make Indy IV a schlock-fest? Why put creatures in there? I liked the "as close to reality" adventures that the Indy films created... with the EDGE of fantasy/fantastic. Creatures, dinos and aliens just crap on it all.

  • June 27, 2007, 5:21 a.m. CST

    It's just occurred to me...

    by 11dayempire

    ...this is the first time an Indy film's been set in a time period where Spielberg and Lucas were alive. Wonder how their personal nostalgia for the 50s will affect their depiction of the era, as opposed to the stylised pulp setting of the first three films? We've already seen American Graffiti-style hot rods, for instance.

  • June 27, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Proman1984, don't you 'cuss!

    by Kamala

    No need for bad words, fuck face. Sorry about that last post, I was really tired and look like english was my second language (it is). War of the Worlds in a case of cinematic blue balls. The last 15 minutes SHOULD NOT have been made. Talk about killing the buzz you created. How the hell could Steve have sat in to editing room and thought "That's good"? Don't get me wrong, I love the man, Jaws, CE3K, Raiders, ET, Jurrassic Park, Private Ryan, love them all.

  • June 27, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST

    fuck star wars haters like quint


    you dorks need to stop cryin cause george did what he wanted not what you wanted...they are still among the most compelling fantasy, and they are DIFFERENT from the originals,,,,for indy will be different too...can u handle it dorks?

  • June 27, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    the prequels are not in any way compelling

    by Lost Prophet

    Funnily enough this doesn't fill me with joy either. Maybe I have become too jaded by horrible sequels/ prequels etc?<p>On another point, I actually think Spielberg has handled some of the most dissappointing and substandard films- including many on that list: <p>1)The lost World- shite, from start to finish, and not innovative in the slightest.<p>2) The terminal was just never going to be my cup of tea- <P>3) hated AI. Horrid film.<p>4) I Was seriously underwhelmed by WOTW- especially because I enjoyed the first half of it. <p>5) Hook is a regular member of my worst films of all time list. But then again, so are other RObin Williams "Comedies".<p>I could go on, but can't be arsed

  • June 27, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Gonna own the haters.........

    by dazza666

    Ok..indy 4...the beards know the score about this one.The last true original franchise not to be raped by crappy sequels/prequels.I have got confidence this will be good and will out do the 'comedy classic' Indy 3,which was the poorest out of the exsisting 3 films.My only concern is Shia,he has got to suck,please dont use him as an action substitute to Harrison!young or old, Indy is harrison,and no matter what- Shia is best shooting up robots,leave the whipping and jungle traps to Indy.BRING IT ON 05/22/08

  • June 27, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Minority Report is one of the best sci fi films since

    by Bubba Gillman


  • June 27, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    no it isn't

    by Lost Prophet

    not in any way, shape or form, it is n't even in the top 10

  • June 27, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST


    by Bubba Gillman

    Interested in hearing your list of the top ten sci fi films of, say, the last decade.

  • June 27, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    will have a think on it- but you didn't say the last decade- you said "ever"

  • June 27, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    The Lost World

    by Kamala

    Ugh! I forgot about that one, more fuel for my fire. Minority Report was good, but suffered from "crappy ending" syndrome (see War of the Worlds for another example). Come 'on Steve, Jaws, CE3K, ET, Raiders, had some of the best endings ever. After he crapped out with ending of J. Park and no one complained, he figured endings don't matter I guess....

  • June 27, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    the problem is

    by Lost Prophet

    the last 10 years (1997-2007) have not exactly been great for sci-fi. <p>Will have a list shortly

  • June 27, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    In No particular order

    by Lost Prophet

    The Matrix, Battle Royal, Children of Men, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Solaris, are all better than Minority report, and you can also throw in the likes of Donnie Darko, the fountain, and the Truman Show . I also guiltily enjoy Pitch Black more than Minority report, and I suppose sunshine or 28 days later. <p>Lots of these are arguable about whether or not they are SF, but the peoblem is such a derth of decent SF films, so the fact that Spielberg is even making the likes of MR and WOTW should be applaudeed. <p>In history it is a lot easier to pick 10 that piss all over MR

  • June 27, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by Bubba Gillman

    Thanks. Interesting list, though the inclusion of the deadly dull Solaris is glaring (any movie featuring the twitching "look at me" acting stylings of Jeremy Davies is in the red with me from go). Haven't seen Battle Royale. I like all the others (particularly the vastly underrated Fountain), but in my opinion the only one that is arguably a better film than MR is Children of Men (and I personnally still prefer MR). As for the Matrix, I like it (the first one only), but I never saw it as quite as innovative as others evidently do (particularly due to the uncredited debt it owes to William Gibson, and the fact that the bullet time effect was featured in a Gap ad first). But we're agreed on the dearth of good sci fi lately, which makes MR even more of a standout - I like the mix of ideas and compelling narrative (even if it does get fizzy in the last act), which is what good sci fi should be.

  • June 27, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by Kamala

    Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Solaris, are shit. Agree with The Matrix, and Donnie Darko, haven't see the Fountain yet. Sci-Fi has been weak, but fantasy and some what, horror films have been in a golden age: Lord of the Rings, X-men 2, Batman Begins, King Kong, (don't laugh) Pan's Labyrinth, 28 days, later, The Ring, Sixth Sense...

  • June 27, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    The (don't laugh) was for King Kong

    by Kamala

    Not Pan's. The last two hours of Kong rocked. Hated the first 45 minutes.

  • June 27, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Worlds was Shit, Munich was Great

    by Saluki

    I was honestly shocked at how much I hated the one, and love the other. I've never disliked a Spielberg flick that much before, but then he comes right back and makes me his bitch for a few hours. Anyone who says he "lost" it, really isn't on the ball with what he is trying to accomplish.

  • June 27, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST


    by micturatingbenjamin

    I saw the first one on VHS. My parents weren't quite rich enough when the first two came out to start taking all the kids to the movies...I saw Temple of Doom at the drive-in. No better way to see that fucking movie than five stories high and outside, hearing cheers and honking horns. I saw the third one in the theater, the same summer The Abyss came out, I think that was. Man, I like all three. The first was good, my favorite of the three is the third, but because of the badass Nazi villains getting outwitted and outgunned by the Jones boys...This looks like a glimpse of old men returning to something they think will be easy this time around. I hope they're still good enough to pull off a decent flick.

  • June 27, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Spotless mind was great

    by Lost Prophet

    I also enjoyed Solaris. <p>fuck it it is all subjective. <p>The problem is that SF tends to be expensive and therefore not worth the risk unless you rape a previously successful vision (see the upcoming Thing remake- which makes me puke with disgust)<p>The dividing line between Horror and SF is also tiny, and there have been some cracking Horror films in the last 10 years (none of which have the name Quentin Tarantino attached). <p>Just to finish this naval gazing- 10 SF films better than MR of all time: <p>Blade Runner, Alien, Aliens, The Terminator, Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, 2001, The Thing, Close Encounters, Clockwork Orange, <p>in fact, MR struggles to make it into the top 20- as I have left out all those from the last 10 years, and just produced a pretty generic list of classics, and there are plenty more where they came from- I haven't even mentioned stuff like Dark Star (which I love), Terminator 2, Total Recall, Predator and so forth

  • June 27, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    BTW Kamala

    by Lost Prophet

    Kong was shit- do not debate me on this (never got to use that before!)

  • June 27, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet, the first hour of Kong was shit

    by Kamala

    Sorry, liked it on Skull Island and NY. What say about the early 80's to mid 80's? The golden age for Sc Fi: Metal Storm, Parasite, Deadly Spawn, Without Warning, Howard the Duck, Creature, Mannequin, Mac and Me, Mega Force, Universal Solider, Cyborg,,,

  • June 27, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    don't knock howard the duck

    by Lost Prophet

    better than Attack of the clones. Mind you banging nails through my own eyes is better than AOTC. <p>I actually love cheesy shitty movies (like pirhana) provided they acknowledge that they are cheesy shitty movies. It is when they are trying to be good and actually end up as shit that it is depressing. It wasn't an exhaustive list anyway- the point is is that MR is nowhere near it<p>On Kong- this is a film about a giant gorilla for fucks sake and it ran at (I think) 3 hours, the fact that the first 3rd of the film was mind numbingly awful was enough to ruin the rest.

  • June 27, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I come praise Howard the Duck

    by Kamala

    And defend Kong. Making Ann and Kong have some type of strange pet-master, lost/sad souls connection made it so much better than the orginal in my mind. Just having the woman scream all the time doesn't make you care much for the ape. But you do in the new one. Heard a bunch of crying at the end. Oddly, most crying I ever heard as at Eight Below (good for Disney live action film). Funny how people get more moved by animals than people. Maybe because most people are assholes.....METAL STORM is the best of all by the way.

  • June 27, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    The Abyss

    by Kamala

    Most underated sci-fi film of the past 25 years. The director's cut of course.

  • June 27, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    completely forgot about the Abyss

    by Lost Prophet

    great shout.<p>I also honestly believe Alien3 is underrated, and people wre just upset that Newt got aced.

  • June 27, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Maybe someone should remake the duck?

    by Lost Prophet

    can you imagine the sheer awfulness of a CGI howard the duck. BLEURGH

  • June 27, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    If you don't know what is wrong with the prequels by now you will never understand. I'm not going to rehash all the old arguments. <p>just becuase lucas worked hard on them doesn't mean they are not shit.

  • June 27, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    I do understand that some people like them. However, I'm damned if I am giving positive recognition to substandard shit- I'm not pretending that many classics aren't flawed, but I believe that the flaws in the prequels actually outweigh what is good, and that is unacceptable<p>there is never any agreement on this, hence not wishing to rehash the same tired old shit.

  • June 27, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 way better than Alien 4

    by Kamala

    But to come after the greatness of Alien and Aliens, those are tough acts to follow. Just like Fantastic Four 2, the first was so loved.

  • June 27, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    thank you! finally. <p>It is impossible to follow the first 2, and just too tonally different from Aliens. <p>to save the series: <p>GIVE IT TO NEIL MARSHALL, STOP MAKING THAT AVP SHITE AND GIVE IT TO A DIRECTOR THAT LOVES HORROR, UNDERSTANDS SUSPENSE, AND SHOWS SOME FUCKING STYLE.<p>Simple, isn't it?

  • June 27, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Neil Marshall would make a kick ass Alien film

    by Kamala

    The Descent: The best pure horror film of the decade so far. You know this to be true. The Fog remake is the worst.

  • June 27, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    It's in with a shout but there are a shit load of

    by Lost Prophet

    contenders- AND NOT ONE OF THEM HAS THE NAME ELI ROTH ATTACHED- (just in case some fucknut crawls out of the woodwork to sing the praises of hosmell). <p>When I saw the descent I actually thought that it reminded me of Alien, which is a good thing.<p>worst Horror film of the decade- there are so many- saw3, hostel, House of 1000 corpses, The Omen Remake, The Amityville Remake, The Fog Remake, (any of those shitty remakes), captivity looks like it might get there, and so on.<p>off home- see you later

  • June 27, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    I do hope they don't turn indy into SR, jett

    by Lost Prophet

    worst film I paid to see last year. Dismal.

  • June 27, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    You/We will all be there.


    Barring Death or the extinction of mankind, say what you like, Everyone and their canary will be in line whether they be hyper or hater because it's another INDY FRICKIN JONES MOVIE!

  • June 27, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Hope for Indy

    by Kamala

    If they leave it in the hands of Steven and just leave Lucas to make nice effects, there maybe the hope for this. Steve, please watch your films from 1975-1983 to see how it is done. Why couldn't Lawrence Kasdan write the script though?

  • June 27, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Sword Of Gideon>>>>>Munich

    by uss cygnus

    I'll second that...and...I'll raise you "Raid on Entebbe".

  • June 27, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST


    by ludmir88

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! mehhhhhhhhhhh.

  • June 27, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Re: DIARY's are BAD LUCK

    by Lord_Soth

    Word! Both Kong and Superman sucked big time. But those were just unnecessary remakes, while Indy can be something original. The bearded ones seem to enjoy the work, I wish them good luck!

  • June 27, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by DocPazuzu

    Excellent idea. Neil Marshall has so far impressed me with two films and I think his instincts for horror would definitely serve the Alien series well. The Descent is simply a tremendous horror film. <p> In a purely visual sense, I would love to see what Chris Cunningham would do with an Alien movie. He would doubtlessly make it a creepy as fuck and disturbing flick.

  • June 27, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Metalstorm > Sword Of Gideon

    by Kamala

    For pure action and thrills you can't top Metalstorm: The Destruction of Jared-Syn, even in 2-D

  • June 27, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    sorry, my bad BUMBLEBEE KILLS BRAWL!!!!!!

    by ludmir88


  • June 27, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    need more production diaries

    by Evil Hobbit

    right now! gief gief gief

  • June 27, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    I've said it before and I'll say it again

    by Mattyboy122

    If Shia is Indy's kid, NOBODY ON THE PLANET...hell, nobody in the far reaches of space or even God could make it work. It's just unnecessary and bad casting to boot.

  • June 27, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Okay JettL93

    by Mattyboy122

    If that's legit, I could live with that. I don't like Shia (I think Marion's kid would be more spunky), but as a sort of father figure and not a father per se, I wouldn't be too annoyed. Here's hoping you're on the money.

  • June 27, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Yeah right, Spielberg disliked SR so much......

    by Forestal

    That he hired the movie's production designer, Guy Dyas to do the production design on Indy 4...

  • June 27, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Januz Kaminski (sp?)

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Has it been confirmed if this dude is on the project? I would assume as he has worked on every Spielberg project since Lost World. But I will maintain that his constant use of over exposed, bleached lighting, with washed out colors and faces is the absolute wrong choice for Indy. Indy movies of the past were all about the warm sunset red glow, and if Januz tries that he will ruin this movie.

  • June 27, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Jett, I have a feeling you're pretty legit

    by finky089

    given your namesake. Either that or a pretty convincing TBer. You had a great cameo in Revenge of the Sith- too bad it was so short.

  • June 27, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    REGULARFACETOHT- wherever you are...

    by finky089

    You nailed the points on Prequel trilogy vs OT. I've been saying the same thing since the details of Sith started leaking. I would have loved to had Vader's identity still be a big reveal in Empire. But, such is life...

  • June 27, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    In defense of Howard the Duck

    by finky089

    Come on, it's fun and you know it. Just like eating cheetos. I couldn't eat too many, day in and day out, but a few handfuls every now and then is still enjoyable. <p> And Jeffrey Jones pre-kiddie porn still rules!

  • June 27, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I also agree with...

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Whoever said that the "Chariot of the Gods" concept would be a slap in the face to all fans regarding the entire first trilogy. I don't necessarily mind Aliens, but if you are going to tell me that all the power in the original artifacts were not from pseudo-religous aspects, but were in fact the remnants of aliens from Close Encounters, I will be pissed. Again aliens = okay (if done right), however aliens who gave power to Jesus and his magical cup of everlasting life = revisionist tripe that has been done before and sucks the life out of the original movies I loved so much.

  • June 27, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    JettL93 - One More Thing re: Indy IV

    by finky089

    Assuming "aliens" truly are a part of Indy IV, what do you have to say to the ideas some have proposed that having aliens in this film negates the supernatural events attributed to the Ark, the Shankara Stones, and the Holy Grail? <p> And will you have a cameo in Indy IV, too? A greaser buddy of Shia's perhaps? <p> Thanks!

  • June 27, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Duck sex is just "rouwng"...IT'S ROUWNG!!!

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Dude Finky, don't defend Howard the Duck, it had frickin' duck on lady, dude that is sick and twisted. Plus Lea Thompson was hot, way to hot to be with a massive Man-Duck who sits in a lazy boy and smokes stogies. My opinion!

  • June 27, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Also Finky

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I think you just posed the question to young L**as Jr (ahem, I mean, hmmm?) that I was asking as well, I would love to get an answer on that, but I suspect it may be too much information to spill. Come on Jett, be a pal, give us the goods, need the info.

  • June 27, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Mel Gibsteinberg - yes, yes you have a point

    by finky089

    especially about young Master Jett. I feel pretty sure that's who it was. But, perhaps he was just agood bluffer. Bluffy Bluffington III. <p> As for duck-on-lady action, yes, it was and still is my least favorite memory of that film. Lea however.....yowsa!

  • June 27, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    And Mel, you know what else was kinda funny up there?

    by finky089

    the way Jett said "And what's up with all the Prequel bashing?" <p> god bless'm and his naive little heart. I realize the kid's probably only 14, but could he really have been out of earshot of the rampant fan criticism for the last 8 years? <p> I'm also curious to find out more about what these "dinos" and such are doing in the film. I believe he may be the real deal and reading his words that "indy 4 is going to deal with the supernatural aspects of the 50's, but it won't just be out there, it will use science and history to explain the pasranormal aspetcs (sic) of the film" just raises more questions. <p> Did find it interesting that he says Shia isn't Indy's flesh and blood son.

  • June 27, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by finky089

  • June 27, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    JETT, please come back! We have more questions

    by finky089

    Please see my and Mel's posts above. Thanks <p>

  • June 27, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST seem familiar

    by AllieJamison

    I think the "not flesh and blood son" part was simply projection. <br> And...for one second I thought....Jett would be Max Spielberg's little sidekick...

  • June 27, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    JettL93 is gone, guys

    by Puddleglum

    I wonder if George yanked him off the computer for giving too much away re: Indy IV? <p> GL: Jett, you on the computer still? Time for dinner. <p> JL: Yeah, dad. I'll be there in a second. <p> GL: I knew it! You're on one of those idiotic movie sites! <p> JL: Dad, I was just reading what people had to say about Indy IV and- <p> GL: Indy IV! You're giving away the plot aren't you? You're telling them everything! <p> JL: Dad, no. It wasn't like that. <p> GL: What's this? "Shia's not his real kid"? <p> JL: Dad, it was one thing. <p> GL: "Dinos are in it"- Jesus, you're spoiling the whole movie, Jett! <p> George grabs the monitor and throws it out the window. <p> GL: You will spoil the Indyfans no more, my son. <p> JL: Dad, people said things on there. <p> GL: What things? <p> JL: Bad things. About the Prequels. <p> GL laughs the laugh of a mighty Norse god. <p> GL: Fools. This is why I told you never to go anywhere on the Internet that doesn't require a Hyperspace membership. <p> JL: Yes, father. <p> GL: Now, let's go eat dinner. Your mother made midichlorian stew again. <p> JL: Wizards!

  • June 27, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    Yeah's just fair. Otherwise you'd belong to the 0,1 % in this TB without any direct ties to this film or any of the script drafts.

  • June 27, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    ImpulseCaper you mean Jim Broadbent?

    by Puddleglum

    I hoep they just cut Jones sr. out. He's not needed. Then again, I'm not sure this Indy movie is either. Ten years ago maybe, but now?

  • June 27, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    I love the thousand nuances of ironic irony in TBs.

  • June 27, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    No, Impulse, I think he might be legit

    by finky089

    He didn't have the pomposity (sp?) that most of the attenion-wanting fakes seem to have in the TBs. And he wasn't the world's best typer, so it could easily have been a mistype on Spielberg's name. <p> On the other hand, I had a best friend in high school whose last name was "Wiener" and one of our other best friends for years never could remember whether our friend spelled his name "ie" or "ei". Some people just don't spell so well. So I wouldn't take that as much proof that Jett ain't who we think he is. <p> Stranger things can happen. Remember Walter B?

  • June 27, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    But, will Jett return to give us some answers???

    by finky089

    who knows? Maybe after dinner...

  • June 27, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    ...and sometimes the irony is just in the recipient's mind...

  • June 27, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Wow this guy Jett know Speilberg?

    by pjdon

    If someone told me i could just kick back with Spielberg and chat about movies i think i would cry.<p>I can't think of anyone i would rather meet.

  • June 27, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST


    by El Borak

    i thought people would have read them by now<BR> <BR>The news that Karen Allen would be back as Marion Ravenwood is accurate and truth be told, a few online sites had been sitting on this information for close to a month, no real shocker.<BR> <BR>Shia Lebeouf is a teenage motorcycle riding greaser, true.<BR> <BR>Shia LeBeouf is the son of Marion Ravenwood and Indiana Jones, true.<BR> <BR>Indy doesn’t find out about being a daddy until after he and Shia have been teamed up for a while and during a pivotal scene, true.<BR> <BR>Movie takes place in the 50’s, true.<BR> <BR>We will see Area 51 and Russian Agents, true.<BR> <BR>South American Pyramids/Temples, true.<BR> <BR>Crystal Skulls, true (13 skulls to be exact)<BR> <BR>The current script is a hybrid of scripts including Frank Darabont’s version, true.<BR> <BR>The title of the film is Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods, maybe, it sure is the working title but we have been told the real title may involve something about the 13 crystal skulls. <BR> <BR>Cate Blanchett will actually be the villain in cahoots with the Ruskies. She has all been practicing sword-fighting.<BR> <BR>Can these details change? We have been told that all major story beats have been locked and only minor changes can be made at this time.

  • June 27, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    pjdon, same here

    by finky089

    I'd love to shoot the shit with SS and talk movies. Could do it for days on end. Or so, I think... <p> Wonder if "Jett" will be back tomorrow afternoon. He was on early afternoon both today and yesterday. We'll have to check back tomorrow in hoeps of having him answer some more questions. <p> would be something if Lucas' own son started selling out to TBers by giving away spoilers, though I doubt he'd really tell too much and betray the Emperor... ;)

  • June 27, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    So many films that we get all excited about

    by pjdon

    and then are dissapointments are quite good if you don't catch them till dvd. Less anticipation when watching at home.<p>I never saw ghost rider, gona watch the extended dvd version this wkend.<p>Not really got that high hopes for it and will prob enjoy it because of this.

  • June 27, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    my expectations for GR were low & I didn't hate it

    by finky089

    I paid $1.50 to see it second run (cheaper than renting it!) With managed expectations and reminding yourself to detatch the film from the comic, you just might find it better than "meh"! If nothing else, I enjoyed some of the effect work on the Rider.

  • June 27, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Jett, if you return, we seriously need more info

    by finky089

    give us the goods, please, Mr. Lucas.

  • June 27, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    I'm actually pretty sick at the

    by pjdon

    moment and can't wait to finish work for the week and watch something 'meh'. Sometimes it's quite relaxing watching average movies.

  • June 27, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I agree with finky, Jett was legit

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    He was slow to reveal the Spielberg link, this was only after prodded. Also he really didn't dish on that much, nothing that couldn't be found other places. But I would like to hear more, maybe he got turned off by all the haters (not that I am wholeheartedly defending the prequels, I own them, I enjoy them, but I wouldn't say they hold a candle to the OT) because we who visit this site often get used to all the vitriol and pure hatred, if you were new (like say Walter B) you might be a little shocked to see how far people take it.

  • June 27, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Where can you get the Darabont script

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Everyone seems to have found the Darabont script of which this next version is based partly on, I'd love to get a look at it, anyone know where I might find it?

  • June 27, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Starwars 1-3 sucked.

    by Sappers Forward

    I was so disappointed with the prequels. The first one was mind boggling retarded. The second one, was a tad bit better and I actually could sit through it. The third was ok. Yea, just ok. Except for the end when Obi diced up the worst actor they could have cast who played Vader. I never imagined Vader as a whiny little pussy controlled bitch boy. Fuck, I can't even begin to list all the things that were so stupid about these films. The lightsaber fights, Sam Jackson, yoda, and the first sith with the double edged saber were the only good parts about these movies...and I'm a huge starwars fan. A pissed off one at that.

  • June 27, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST


    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I disagree with you, I actually feel that Phantom was the best of the prequels. Yes yes, Jar Jar was lame, but Maul was amazing, as was his fight, Liam Neeson was by far the best actor of the trilogy, and the pod race was incredible. More than Jar Jar, what I hated the most were the alien trade federation people, if they had made them real actors it would have actually heightened the drama, instead we got badly dubbed puppetts. By the way, I am not alone in thinking Menace was the best of the prequels, as sad as they were.

  • June 27, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Jett if you get a chance

    by Kamala

    Ask Steve S. why he thought Howard the Duck bombed at first, and why it and Laser Blast are so loved now many years later....

  • June 27, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    One more point...for Jett

    by Sappers Forward

    To reiterate: Starwars 3, it was ok. I really like the scene when Obi cut up young whiny Vader. Episodes 1&2 sucked. I'm a huge Starwars fan. I loved episodes 4-6. Except for the damn ewoks. I think Lucas should have rethought his strategy and made the movies less "kid friendly" and more serious. There was really nothing "Kid friendly" about episodes 4 & 5. Guess what? Those will go down in history as the best of the bunch. Perhaps there was some outside influence on Lucas to pressure him into creating something that would appeal to the children. That would lead to greater sales of $toys$. Damn Shame. Lucas is great, no doubt. I just wish he took a different approach. On a side note, I grew up not too far from the ranch and was there when his offices were built in San Rafael.

  • June 27, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Sappers Forward surely the prequals

    by pjdon

    where a bit too serious. They went into too much depth about the universe, the force and the characters emotions.<p>Don't know why he couldn't have just made a fun adventure series like the originals.

  • June 28, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Aliens will be a hoax

    by voxmortis

    ...bound to be US or stolen Russian technology, elaborate hoax etc. Eric Von Daniken is a nutter, but his books are entertaining - as believable as anyone's 'God'.

  • June 28, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Jett might be legit

    by voxmortis

    but he/she's definitely young. The spelling's all over the place, suggests to me they're still at high school.

  • June 28, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Sp(gunshot)berg's brilliant run

    by voxmortis

    AI & The Terminal - just 2 recent examples of shite he's made.

  • June 28, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Spielberg's recent run

    by Lost Prophet

    I would actually argue and paraphrase trainspotting when talking about Spielberg's post 1990 career: Schindlers List, Saving Private Ryan and Munich are blips in an otherwise dizzying downaward spiral. <p>Since 1990 he has produced far more shitty films than classics- don't forget his first film of that decade was the truly awful Hook, and also includes such gladly forgotten dogs as The Lost WOrld, Amistad, AI and The Terminal. <p>I am not a fan of Saving PRivate Ryan because I actually think the vast majority of the film was tripe, but the Landing sequence was still one of the most visually and artfully directed sequences of all time. Schindler's list and Munich are also flawed. <p>i have deliberately ignored MR, Catch Me If you Can and WOTW- as although I despise Catch me and WOTW and think MR is meh I know people like them.

  • June 28, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST


    by IndiAbbey Jones

    Dark Horizons has got a link to interview with an extra at Yale shoot - she says "It’s the opening scene of the movie,” Ms. Dunn burbled excitedly. “[Harrison Ford] is teaching a class and he hears some noise outside, which turns out to be an anti-Communist rally, and he goes out to investigate and he recognizes one of his old rivals from one of the other movies and he jumps on a motorcycle and ends up being chased by some guys in a car.” WHO IS THE OLD RIVAL?!!!???!!!

  • June 28, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Spielberg's shit then I suppose

    by Massive_Bereavement

    Really does begger belief how many people crawl out of the woodwork to denounce Spielberg as being shit. Can somebody refer me to a director that has been going for as long as Spielberg and hasn't directed the odd disappointing film? His contributions to popular cinema blow any other recent director out of the water, so rather than cynically cherry picking his lesser works, why dont we remember just what he has given us all. If you cant appreciate that, then maybe it's time to find yourself another hobby.

  • June 28, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Deary me

    by Lost Prophet

    There is always someone over literal twat that comes on and says things such as "If you cant appreciate that, then maybe it's time to find yourself another hobby." or "What have you written/ directed?". I was specifically talking about post 1990. The man has made a greater contribution to popular culture than almost anyone else (I haven't included his producer roles) and am more than happy to acknowledge so- again to paraphrase someone else more pithy: "You don't need to be a carpenter to criticise a table". Furthermore, I did not cynically cherry pick recent work- the debate was on whether or not he was still producing outright classics, or if his run had finished. <p>If you are so blinded by adoration that you are incapable of engaging critical faculties then at least now I know who to blame for the unmitigated dreck that gets produced every summer, and therefore, if you were to get another hobby the overall quality of films would improve.

  • June 28, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    cheers for the info and don't take the vitriol to heart. We don't mean anything by it.

  • June 28, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Hopefully Jett's right.

    by punisher5150

    Sounds like some of Jeb Stuart's script elements, but altered enough to actually be a pretty good movie. And the "is he my son angle" and it turns out not to be is a pretty good twist on the "aging hero and his kid" cliche. Also, communist rally. Old villain from another movie. Could Belloq be back? Or did Elsa from Last Crusade actually make it out of that earthquake in the grail temple? My interest is peaked. Bring on Indy IV!!!!! I've got to stop reading these damned talkbacks! I learned too much about Indy III's plots prior to release and the movie was a let down because of it. But I just can't help myself!!!!

  • June 28, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST


    by IndiAbbey Jones


  • June 28, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Well for starters, I wasn't

    by Massive_Bereavement

    Well for starters, I wasn't solely referring to you, so you can put the dummy back and dispense with the school yard insults. I'm not going to get into a post 80's film by film debate, but I will say I think you do paint an overly negative picture of his output over the last 17 years. Those 'blips' of Schindlers List, Saving Private Ryan, and Munich should surely be enough to convince all but the most stubborn of doubters, that he has not lost his directing mojo. As for the likes of Lost World and Hook, I defy anyone to have rescued that script from cinematic stupidity. And there's the issue I think. If Spielberg has shown a weakness over recent years, it has been in his choice of projects rather than his directing ability. To some degree you have to admire him for not keeping in the comfort zone and churning out family friendly blockbuster after blockbuster, but the likes of Catch Me If You Can and Terminal are not the kind of film people have come to expect from the man. He's taken a few risks, some worked, some didn't. When it comes to Indy 4 though, is there really anyone else you would rather have directing? This is the territory he's most at home with, and having produced the goods three times before I see no reason why he cant pull it off again. Whether the script and Fords screen presence will be up to standard, we can only wait and see.

  • June 28, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    What school yard insults?

    by Lost Prophet

    alright, it was an over caffeinated rant- obviously so in fact. <p> I disagree with you for several reasons: Firstly he does churn out a large amount of family friendly blockbusters (hook, JP, LW, even to some extent WOTW, and arguably AI. The riskier films are all the better and of the bunch in question it can easily be argued that only Munich did not suck. Secondly, I would in fact argue that a lot of the flaws of the more recent films are things that he has direct control over and unrelated to the script- to begin with: casting. His penchant for casting truly nauseating kids in films is well documented (this is the guy that wanted to cast Haley Joel osturd in Harry potter), and the tendency to wallow in sentimentality- which even his best films of the period have been tainted with. <p>i agree that Indy 4 is made for him, and will no doubt see it, despite the presence of Shite lebeuof, and I hope it represents a return to the halcyon days rather than a retread of the more disappointing path.<p>Agreed that Ford's star is definately dimmed, but who knows- maybe it will be a return to form for him too.<p>Just to clarify- I'm not saying I don't admire what he has done, (shit loads of his earlier films get reugularly watched) but the lionisation of the recent films just because he has directed it- and the name seems to carry weight regardless of the actual merit of the movie and most of the examples above do not deserve praise just irks me. <p>rant over.

  • June 28, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    "Untitled Genre" is the working title for Indy IV

    by Bronx Cheer

    Not that it would be that difficult to get that info.

  • June 28, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    "The Untitled Genre Project" to be accurate.

    by Bronx Cheer


  • June 28, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Spielberg, sentimentality, and kids

    by Massive_Bereavement

    I take your point about Spielberg and kids. They've often plagued what would otherwise be perfectly entertaining films. Lets not forget though Short Round in ToD. I know this is a contentious point, but he didn't spoil the film for me. In fact I thought the chemistry between him, Indy and Willie worked quite nicely. So I dont think casting a youngster in one of the lead roles automatically spells doom. Although I aint seen this Shia LaBeouf character, the flack he's been copping here and elsewhere does worry me a bit admittedly. When it comes to sentimentality, in the context of an Indiana Jones movie I dont mind that at all. After all these films do appeal to the big kid in all of us and to watch them with that kind of cynical eye, is kind of missing the point of what these films are all about. They're a throwback to an altogether more innocent era of cinema. It's what gives the film heart and it's the reason these films still resonate with so many people so many years later.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the info, Jett!

    by finky089

    Whether you're the "real" Jett or not, you seem like a stand-up guy. I admire someone coming to the TBs to share their insights without being completely arrogant about it. Hope what youre; saying proves to be true. The context you put it in sounds much better than the pieces that jad leaked out separately so far. peace, Finky

  • June 28, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by IndiAbbey Jones

    SOMEONE LEAK THIS!!!! WHO??? WHO??? WHO??? WHO??? WHO??? WHO??? WHO??? WHO???

  • June 28, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Old Villain-hope it's not Belloq/Toht/Forrestal/Donovan

    by finky089

    Lucas/Spielberg, please don't retcon and bring back a character from the dead. <p> I hope by "old villain" it's someone either minor from a previous film or it's not someone we've actually seen before (but that Indy would know.) Just b/c Indy recognizes the "villain" doesn't mean the audience automatically will. <p> I suppose it COULD be Lao Che, but that just seems unlikely, even though he should still be alive. Perhaps his son that shot at him with the machine gun? <p> I think I'd prefer it just be somebody completely new unless they came up with an incredible way to bring back Rene Belloq or Forestal (via the Macguffin of this film). But I find that to be highly unlikely.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet you are a tool

    by Proman1984

    You calling those masterpieces dogs? I think the only downward spiral is the one in your bum.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    But I am, curious to know who it could be

    by finky089

    Any top prospects for who it could be?

  • June 28, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Has anyone read the DARABONT SCRIPT??

    by finky089

    Like Mel Steinberg, I'd also love to read it. Purely for fun. It can't be worse than the leaked Transformers script I read last year.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Proman you are a moron

    by Lost Prophet

    Masterpieces? like the lost world? hook? <P>Even Bereavement doesn't think they are any good. I don't think you read what I wrote. Or you're 12.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Cheers Bereavement

    by Lost Prophet

    a reasoned argument without name calling. Fucking hell AICN has gone soft.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    finky089 - U R Right

    by IndiAbbey Jones

    LAO CHE would be awesome - dig that evil laughter. But what about EYE PATCH MONKEY MAN???!!!??? Agree - no Belloq - no comeback from head-exploderisation please Mr Berg. Source says OLD RIVAL from other movies so I guess it's someone that we'll recognise....

  • June 28, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    ...R.I.P..."Indy 4 mini production diary"-TB...

  • June 28, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Too much connection to Raiders might be bad

    by tylermo

    No offense, but I'm not getting into this debate of whether or not a certain producer's son, or someone close to the scenes is providing legitimate info or not. I do hear people suggesting tie after tie to Raiders. Short of Marion, this film should do something to set it apart from the others. I think religion over aliens is better. And, I'd rather not see a bunch of nods and cameos. Should be very discreet at best, or not at all. Oh well. I'll be in line with everybody else.

  • June 28, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Jett you are awesome!

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Thanks for some of the info, assuming it turns out to be true. However, as you must know, we can only take what you say with a grain of salt as there have been many TB's in the past where some tool posed as an "insider" and turned out to be nothing more than a hack who loved to lie. So while you seem legit, everyone has to reserve a little scepticism. Thanks anyway.

  • June 28, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    conspiracy, did hear?

    by Kamala

    Battlefield Earth is being remade Baby!! For Imax 3d, now starring Jason Biggs and Mandy Moor, directed by Tim Story. The alien's foreheads will now all be CGI, not make-up! Can wait!!!

  • June 28, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Jett, since you are here

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I know this may be more than you can talk about, but I am really interested in the direction Spielberg is taking with Cinematography. Are you aware of any discussions regarding this aspect. Basically my question comes from Spielbergs sole use of Janusz Kaminiski for all his films over the last decade and a half. While I think Kaminiski is an incredibly capable and talented Cinematographer, I think unless he radically changes his palette, he is completely wrong for Indy. Looking back on AI, Minority, Terminal, Catch Me, and then especially Munich, Saving Private Ryan, WOTW, and the list could go on, Kaminiski uses a light bloom and grainy film stock to soften the clarity. It is reminiscent of a Geoffrey Unsworth lighting, from the 70's, but I think this would be the completely wrong choice for an Indy picture. Indy films always had that classic 30's and 40's serial meets David Lean picture quality to them. Kaminiski is too modern for this type of film, his overuse of that glowing radient white light is not right. I have been saying this for awhile but aparently I am the only one who thinks this. Your comments?

  • June 28, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Slight spoiler - the Indy IV McGuffin is...

    by SoylentGreen

    The Fountain of Youth

  • June 28, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Soylent Green is made out of BULLSHIT!

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    It's made out of BULLLLLSHITTTTT! Sorry SG, but either you are lying, or you are working off of an old script leak. No way its still about the Fountain of Youth.

  • June 28, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    the old villan is blanchett, duh

    by El Borak

    hey jett can i have a million dollars? ha! ha!

  • June 28, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    and what are your comments

    by El Borak

    on the 13 crystal skulls jett?

  • June 28, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Mel, why are you asking a putative 14 yr old kid

    by Bronx Cheer

    about the finer points of cinematography? Damn kid can't even spell. (Oh, I forgot...not being able to spell qualifies you as a film expert...Harry Knowles, for example.) Seriously, if English is your mother tongue, show a little respect for the language. If it's not your mother tongue, then you probably are more handy with the language than most kids Jett's age anyway.

  • June 28, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Just telling you what I heard today

    by SoylentGreen

    Could be right - could be wrong. Just trying to add some fuel to the conversational fire. Any as everyone knows - Soylent Green is PEOPLE, not bullshit!

  • June 28, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I thought I would try Bronx

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    No one else seems to take me up in discussing this point, but seriously, go have a Speilberg film fest, watch ET, Temple of Doom, Empire of the Sun, and then sit down for AI, Minority Report, and then Saving Private Ryan. You will notice the difference immediately, and honestly it is distracting. Like I said, I think Kaminski is a brilliant cinematographer, but every time a puddle of water shows up on a sidewalk, it starts glowing like flaming quicksilver, it's nuts. Every outside shot in a Kaminski flick seems to be an overcase day, where the sun is breaking through high clouds that are blindingly white. All these elements are wrong for Indy, THEY ARE WRONG! What is right for Indy, frickin' Lawrence of McFuckin Arabia, that's what is right for Indy, and ask Speilberg circa 1989, he would agree. Then he fell in love with Janusz's modernistic style and he has never gone back. IMDB lists Janusz as the cinematographer, so I guess we are stuck with it, but I for one just don't like it.

  • June 28, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Mel, I think Kaminski has it in him.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Besides, there's no way in hell Lucas would let the film get all cold and dour. Kaminski is going to have to find his inner Freddie Young. I do think his style will match up with the 50s.

  • June 28, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Don't care who is really telling the truth.

    by mrfan

    All I know is that I am pumped about this movie. I love the fact that we don't know who is telling the truth or not. Who is? Who isn't? I am having a great time reading all the posts about this movie.

  • June 28, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Mel Gibsteinberg, did you notice

    by finky089

    that "Jett's" spelling got alot better today? <p> Well, whoever he is, I'm enjoying the speculation. It' all part of the fun.

  • June 28, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    And, Jett, thanks for stopping in again to

    by finky089

    drop more Indy hints. <p> I've never played any of the video games (except that crappy, crappy, crappy Temple of Doom cartridge for NES), not have I seen much of the Young Indy TV series, so the villain may not be all that familiar to me, or others for that matter. I'm mostly a "films are cannon" kind of Indyfan, I guess.

  • June 28, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    IndiAbbey Jones - MonkeyMan would be a funny villain

    by finky089

    to have returning. I'd like to see him again just so his shouldermonkey can swipe at some Commie baddies (now that the Nazis will be gone.) But I suppose it would be a "new" bad lil monkey since the last one met his match with a bad date. <p>

  • June 28, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    MonkeyMan - Sallah's lost brother

    by finky089

    it's the big reveal in Indy IV! <p> i'm actually a little surprised this film will have such a direct connection to the actual Ark of the Covenant...assuming that info is true. Marion Ravenwood, okay it's reasonable and something the fans (and Spielberg/Lucas?) wanted for a long time. But I thought making refernce to the Ark in the catacombs under the church in Last Crusade was a bit much tongue-in-cheek.

  • June 28, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    JETTL93, can you shed some light on the title??

    by finky089

    Is the City of Gods at least the actual working title? Or is this going to be like the way george lucas "officially" revealed the Star Wars prequel titles about 6 months before the film opened?

  • June 28, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    It appears no one is left here, I'll get back to work

    by finky089

    But now I got Indy on the brain!

  • June 28, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see Cpt. Katanga again, too

    by finky089

    Perhaps he's Shia's REAL father?

  • June 28, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    OLD VILLAIN- Fat guy Marions beats inthe drinking game

    by finky089

    Had to get in one last one for a while

  • June 28, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    what about the crystal skulls?

    by El Borak

    and that million $$$?

  • June 28, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Jett

    by finky089

  • June 28, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Wow, AICN will be the first to know?

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    That will be a first in a long time. I feel like this site hasn't broken much spy info in awhile, unless it is about a flick we could care less about, or unless it is part of a carefully orchestrated move by the studios. I will believe it when I see it.

  • June 28, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Let's bring this talkback up the rankings a bit

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    EH? Come on finky, el borak, mr fan, bronx, and of course jett, bring the noise and get this talking up top!

  • June 28, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Old villains

    by punisher5150

    When I posted "could Belloq be back?", I really didn't mean Rene Belloq. Since this seems to be a hybrid of numerous scripts, one of the earlier ones supposedly had Rene Belloq's brother as a villain. I was thinking this brother could possibly be a twin and it is who Indy sees in the crowd. However, given the communist nature of the rally that jett mentioned, it would be more likely that the villain would be Elsa, who somehow survived the fall into the crack in the ground at the grail temple, or Lao Che, from communist China. I never thought of this second one until it was mentioned in a TB above. One thing I would like to see resolved is Indy finally retrieving the idol that was stolen from him at the beginning of Raiders. That would be a cool link to the original. Back in 1990, I actually started writing a story where the opening teaser had Indy getting the idol back, and in the process leading him on an adventure to S. America in search of ancient Inca gold. I wrote about 200 pages, with an outline completing the story, but never got around to actually putting the last 4 or 5 chapters on paper to finish it.

  • June 28, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    No on Belloq or his brother

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    The brother would be too close to the villian twist from Die Hard W/ A Vengeance, and I always thought that part was unnecessary.

  • June 28, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    I think Lao Che would be best

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    If it is about communist spies, then why not a Chinese communist here in America, never mind the fact that he is a gangster, it could be that he has joined some government agency to protect his interests.

  • June 28, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    That's nothing much Crabman

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Not to be defending Harry, he really needs no defending since you are here, but his taste in movies has been, hmmm shall we say, unique since day one. Its true he has become Hollywood's darling, and they love to cater to him, but I dont' know that that has really changed his view on films, to be honest I can never really tell with him. The thing with Harry is that it seems he is anything but objective, though he tries, he will tell you if he liked a movie based on if he had a nice bowel movement that morning, or if he was in his "happy place" cause his gal was there, and the movie just "made him smile". The fact is, if Hollywood really wanted to make him like the movie, all they really needed to do was set up a cool fantasy atmosphere representing the film, outside the megaplex, and feed him a big BBQ Rib dinner, and you have him singing this movie's praise. It isn't the gifts, its just Harry.

  • June 28, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Okay, my last post...potentially

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I have a feeling the interest in this story is waning, and it doesn't matter, there will be other links to the next video diaries, but the fact is I must, must, must get this off my chest. Janusz Kaminski (though a brilliant Cinematographer) is wrong for a Jones pic, and the movie will suffer, mark my words! I guarantee that one of the mainstay reviewers on this site will mention this, and my guess is that it will be Mori. They will review the movie, much as they have for other properties that have been remade or revisited, and lament that it just doesn't "feel" the same, and they may mention that Kaminski's use of the bleached out light took away from the warm and glowing look of the originals. Trust me, you heard it here first folks!

  • June 28, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    just watched last crusade again

    by El Borak

    i love that movie. raiders first, crusade and then temple of doom. i never got into that one much because of the gross out stuff.

  • June 28, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Show some respect

    by spidertz83

    Speilberg created the BLOCKBUSTER with JAWS... all sequels/prequels are BLOCKBUSTERS... lucas revolutionaized the sci-fi genre and special effects with the original Star wars... stop hating. this flick will be great, no doubt here...

  • June 28, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by El Borak

    Set in 1957, the scene will appear near the beginning of the movie. Indy will be chased down a transformed Chapel Street into Old Campus, onto High Street and escape briefly through a gate into Branford College.<BR> <BR>The filming will take place on June 28 through July 7. It will be a chase scene, set in 1957, in which black sedans will pursue Ford or his stunt double east on Chapel Street, through Branford and Saybrook college courtyards, the Old Campus and a practice field in West Haven.<BR> <BR>The film will have a major chase scene downtown and on the Yale campus — and inside Yale as well, including Indiana riding his bike through the Commons, Yale’s dining hall.<BR> <BR>Books fly. Students flee. Into a Yale courtyard bursts Indiana Jones.<BR> <BR>Ford bursts through Commons, which is set up to look like a study hall. "Books will be flying, students will be running." If all goes as currently planned, a Sedan may flip over outside on Grove Street.<BR> <BR>Other segments have Ford on York and Elm streets, roaring out of Sterling Memorial Library, flying into Old Campus through Phelps Gate, breaking up a political rally on the way.<BR> <BR>In the New Haven-shot scenes, professor Ford gets pursued by bad guys in black sedans through the Yale campus, up to athletic fields, where he may just catch a football for a moment of lighthearted shtick.<BR> <BR>Most of the scenes, by Martin's recounting, involve Ford's motorcycle (with stunt man, no doubt) bursting through bucolic Yale spots.<BR> <BR>On Monday, Indiana Jones bursts through Yale's Branford College courtyard on the motorcycle, continuing on through Saybrook College. Tuesday, he'll head to a Yale baseball diamond off Derby Avenue, which has a tunnel running under it, according to Martin's research. <BR> <BR>"I'm sure they're going to make it try to fly out of the tunnel," Martin told the aldermen. Then Indy "steals a football from practice and uses it as a weapon," he said. Thursday, the chase will hit downtown's Wall Street, then Friday, it'll fly by Yale's Sterling Memorial Library, on to Woolsey Hall, where the film crew hopes to stage the finale.<BR>

  • June 28, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by El Borak

    LEGO Group Secures Exclusive Construction Category Rights to Indiana Jones™ Property<BR> <BR>Rumoured / Leaked set titles January 2008:<BR> <BR>7620 Motorcycle Chase!!!!!!!!<BR> <BR>7621 Lost Tomb<BR> <BR>7622 Race for the Stolen Treasure<BR> <BR>7623 Temple Escape<BR> <BR----------------------------------<BR> <BR>Indiana Jones to Swing Back Through Hawaii in Sequel Production executives, including producer Kathleen Kennedy, have scouted Hawaii locations for part of the Indiana Jones 4 sequel. . Sources said a portion of the film will be shot here and likely include the Big Island. BI officials declined comment. The production is sooo top secret that studio execs and the Hawaii production community refer to it as The Untitled Generic Project. Steven Spielberg will direct the film for a May 22, 2008 release…<BR> <BR>Next Williams/Spielberg Projects Officially Confirmed Sunday, 03 June 2007. The Gorfaine-Schwartz Agency recently confirmed that John Williams will be writing the music for the next two Steven Spielberg films: Indiana Jones 4, to be released o­n May 22, 2008, and Lincoln (2009).<BR>

  • June 28, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by El Borak

    LEGO Group Secures Exclusive Construction Category Rights to Indiana Jones™ Property<BR> <BR>Rumoured / Leaked set titles January 2008:<BR> <BR>7620 Motorcycle Chase!!!!!!!!<BR> <BR>7621 Lost Tomb<BR> <BR>7622 Race for the Stolen Treasure<BR> <BR>7623 Temple Escape<BR> <BR----------------------------------<BR> <BR>Indiana Jones to Swing Back Through Hawaii in Sequel Production executives, including producer Kathleen Kennedy, have scouted Hawaii locations for part of the Indiana Jones 4 sequel. . Sources said a portion of the film will be shot here and likely include the Big Island. BI officials declined comment. The production is sooo top secret that studio execs and the Hawaii production community refer to it as The Untitled Generic Project. Steven Spielberg will direct the film for a May 22, 2008 release…<BR> <BR>Next Williams/Spielberg Projects Officially Confirmed Sunday, 03 June 2007. The Gorfaine-Schwartz Agency recently confirmed that John Williams will be writing the music for the next two Steven Spielberg films: Indiana Jones 4, to be released o­n May 22, 2008, and Lincoln (2009).<BR>

  • June 28, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    bastard- here's the rest

    by El Borak

    Next Williams/Spielberg Projects Officially Confirmed Sunday, 03 June 2007 The Gorfaine-Schwartz Agency recently confirmed that John Williams will be writing the music for the next two Steven Spielberg films: Indiana Jones 4, to be released o­n May 22, 2008, and Lincoln (2009).<BR> <BR>Indiana Jones to Swing Back Through Hawaii in Sequel Production executives, including producer Kathleen Kennedy, have scouted Hawaii locations for part of the Indiana Jones 4 sequel. The production is sooo top secret that studio execs and the Hawaii production community refer to it as The Untitled Generic Project.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Everybody refers to it as "Untitled Genre"...

    by Bronx Cheer

    ...not just in Hawaii. They're shooting on the big island, and the Top Top Secret stuff is almost a joke.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Jett...two questions if you get time

    by Atticus Finch

    1. Any mention of Sallah at all? 2. I know Indy 4 was in development hell for what seems like forever, but has there been any mention whatsoever of an Indy 5 if things go well with 4?

  • June 28, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    El Borak, I noticed you wrote "Generic" but it's Genre.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Untitled Generic Projects are what the hosebags at Fox turn out.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    yeah that's from different sources

    by El Borak

    like,, iesb, etc.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    SPOILER! CGI whips will be used exclusively.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Even when Indy only wears the whip, it'll be CGI.</p> <p>I remember a few months back when the CGI whip thing started gaining traction. I couldn't believe people actually believed for one hot second that there are safety laws that require whips be replaced with CGI. Priceless!

  • June 28, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Old Villains, Young Indy, etc

    by punisher5150

    I would definitely not like to see the Belloq's brother angle. Too cliche! Elsa...indifferent. Lao Che, however, would be a good returning villain. But the story doesn't seem to involve Asia, so it seems out of place. As for TV villains from the series, I think they were mostly historical figures. I didn't get a chance to see many episodes due to being stationed in Japan. AFRTS (Armed Forces Radio and Television) didn't play it, much to my dissapointment. That's why I have been waiting for DVD release SINCE they originally started trickling out on VHS. When the trilogy was released on DVD, I thought for sure they would follow soon behind, but that hasn't happened either. All I keep reading is Rick McCallum saying that they're working on releasing them all as two-hour DVD movies, but that has yet to pan out. WTF are they doing with them? If I recall, there was only 20 or so episodes. It can't be so difficult that it should take 10 yrs to edit them the way they want.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    now does elsa survive then?

    by El Borak

    she's rotting at the core of the earth somewhere.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Old rival/villian is the bad guy River Phoenix...

    by Bronx Cheer

    encountered. Or maybe it's Jehovah. Or that student with "I love you" penciled on her eyelids. Or the bottle...yeah, maybe Indy comes clean and admits he has a drinking problem. That would be cool. "Indiana Jones and the Twelve Steps of Recovery"

  • June 28, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Elsa fell in the earthquake crack, for sure!

    by punisher5150

    But she could have fallen into an underground chamber. We couldn't see what was below except for some rather fake looking smoke machine fog (as much as I love the movie, the entire grail temple set just looked fake to me).

  • June 28, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    i think

    by El Borak

    i think it's an off screen villain. or maybe "villain" means ex-wife or marion. he sees marion and the kid and runs for the hills.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    so the crusade enemy in white

    by El Borak

    survives the boat explosion (although he loses his hat) and shows up on the campus all blowed-up and old as hell, when indy sees him.<BR> <BR>indy rides his old-man moped while he is chased by old-blowed-up dude in an electric wheelchair.<BR> <BR> the crowd screams in anger as the two bump into the student's toes and shins with their rides, while shooting point blank at each other going 2 miles an hour naked -gun style.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    The Jeb Stuart draft

    by punisher5150

    had Marion, Willie, and Short Round in the scene to celebrate Indy's wedding. Maybe in this version Indy is getting married and his old flames reappear together just before the vows, looking pissed and each dragging a kid in tow with what appears to be court papers in hand. This prompts Indy to run away, and the chase is actually Indy getting chased by all these B*TCHES looking for child support!!!!!

  • June 28, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Very good, punisher, and now we know why he drinks.

    by Bronx Cheer

    And Borak, I'll never get that image out of my head. Indy vs. Leslie Nielsen.

  • June 28, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    ha! ha!

    by El Borak

    that would be sweet. except it would probably be spielberg and lucas now.

  • June 28, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    I keep picturing Indy and the man in white

    by punisher5150

    facing off with their walkers. Then Indy trying some hand to hand stances Bruce Campbell as Elvis style from Bubba HoTep!

  • June 29, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Set ramblings

    by bradlm

    Stopped by the set of Indy 4 and they transformed a city block of New Haven, ct in 1957. All the store signs changed to reflect the era. One Ford sighting yesterday doing a scene. I'll run by at lunchtime and see what else is going on

  • June 29, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Indy chase Naked Gun style - hilarious

    by finky089

    Unless it starts shooting in late-2008, I'm not sure how much more time can pass between this Indy sequel and another. <p> But basedon what Jett's saying, I could see where this could be a return to more films that were set pre-RAIDERS. It would likely appeal to not only the tried and true Indyfans, but they could skew marketing to a younger demogrpahic if this were in the vein of the Young Indy Jones series. It probably makes it more action oriented for both the central character (Indy) as well as appealing for the 18-24 audience and teens, whom the studios really want to market to.

  • June 29, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    JETTL93, more questions for you

    by finky089

    Have you been able to go to any of the shooting locations yet? Have you seen any props or scripts, etc for the film yet? Or does George stay absolutely tight-lipped about this kind of thing, even with hi sown family? ;-)

  • June 29, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    No way "old Villain" is Elsa

    by finky089

    I can see Jett having a point about it likely being someone not directly from any of the previous films, but instead from the games/books/TV series. <p> And, maybe the villain he sees in this scene isn't necessarily the "main" villain in the film any more than the Man in White was in Last Crusade or Lao Che in ToD. Maybe he's just the catalyst to kickstart this early chase scene, but that's it.

  • June 29, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Sorry we won't see Sallah though

    by finky089

    But if it soesn't serve the story, then so be it. I wish that Denholm Elliot was still around. Would love to see old Marcus again.

  • June 29, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    melgibsteinberg, it's going to b hard to fluff this up

    by finky089

    but, I'm trying to keep the thread alive!

  • June 29, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by finky089

    I got a millions things to get done at work today. And half of them have to get done before the East Coast folks I work with head out for the weekend.

  • June 29, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    JETT, one more thing

    by finky089

    I'd love to hear what George and Steven would say if they knew specicifally that people were so excited about the new Indy film that they were dialoging about it on the Internet instead of getting their work done? <p> i mean, sure, that's a daily occurence for us AICN regulars, butI don't blow off deadlines for just any film production. ;) <p> ALthough, considering all the people I knew and heard about who ditched work when Phantom Menance opened in 1999, maybe George wouldn't be that surprised about it.

  • June 29, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I'd love to see the site get more lovin'

    by finky089

    It's a nice site and the layout is fine, but the content is barely engaging. I am sure it will become more robust as this production continues to ramp up, but for now, most of the content is kind of stale. <p> Seeing that Rorschach things on here this morning made me kind of wish Lucasfilm was doing some online viral stuff with Indy. <p> Perhaps it's too early?

  • June 29, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST's pretty quiet around here.

    by finky089 (just remember to remove any spaces between the letters) <p> I don't think there's much more of a conversation I can continue to have with myself.

  • June 29, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    esp if I don't want to risk being banned for "fluffing"

    by finky089

    Will check back later o see if anyone's around.

  • June 29, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    oh, no "WWW" in that url up there. it should be:

    by finky089 (Again, remove anyspace that may have been inserted)

  • June 29, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Production Info.

    by Munro Kelly

    Info. and link to set pictures.

  • June 29, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Production Info. 2

    by Munro Kelly

    If you have trouble linking up, the story is from: New Haven Register ( The story was on 6-29-07: Downtown filming creates problems.

  • June 29, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    you've been busy finky....

    by just pillow talk

    Good to see you have focused your energies on a real movie instead of TINO TINO TINO!!!

  • June 29, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Indy 4 news at CHUD!!!!!!!

    by Jake430

    some big news over at regarding INDY 4

  • June 29, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    So Abner Ravenwood is not dead eh?

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Do we think that Marion was lying to Indy, to get him off her back? Or maybe he went in to hiding and couldn't tell even his own poor daughter, interesting.

  • June 29, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Finky I will do what I can

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I do feel this movie deserves big time talkbacks to fuel the Indy loving.

  • June 29, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I watched Doom last night

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    The thing that I was left with was that it was really ambitious and even though parts are imperfect, what they were attempting was something much more in line with the early serials of the day. In some ways Doom is much more a throwback film to the cinema of the the 30's and 40's than Raiders or Crusade were. Raiders was great, but there was an underlying sense that it took itself serious, which was what made it great. With Doom almost everything is played for laughs, from the intro musical number, to the nightclub hijinks, to rafting down snowy peaks, to the meal at Pankot palace, to the human sacrafice (even though it was dark and intense, it was such an overdone movie moment, like Kong island). But the thing that you have to love about a movie like Raiders or Temple of Doom is that Lucas and Spielberg could fit all that stuff into those films and still bring them in under 2 hours. Sure some would say they were a little light in the characterization, and some elements moved really fast, but compare that to Kong? Jackson could learn a thing or two about brevity by studying the masters. I feel like even Lucas broke his own rules in the prequels with so much nonsense with all the take offs and landings, all the special effects were cool but he needed to be restrained a little.

  • June 29, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    So Shia is a greaser

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    That makes sense, and I think could make the movie fun and bring in those 50's sensibilities.

  • June 29, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I always thought a great McGuffin for Indy would be...

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    The Garden of Eden. The original location of the hidden Garden. In Genesis after Adam and Eve were kicked out, it is said that the Garden was protected by a flaming sword and Cherabim and Seraphim (Angels) to keep man out. Now you can take all that with a grain of salt, but talk about a search for eternal life, having Indy track down the exact location where life began and where God regularly walked on the face of the Earth. Sure it's a bit heavy handed, but it would be in line with past religous artifacts, and it would make for quite a cool adventure.

  • June 29, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Jett, you will actually try and get a title for us

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Make sure you don't get in trouble with the man!

  • June 29, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    John Hurt as Abner

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Great casting, just thought I would chime in.

  • June 29, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I like the idea

    by Jake430

    of Abner coming back (or actually showing up for the first time), and with what we have heard about other connetcions to Raiders, I am getting even more pumped about this movie!!

  • June 29, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    As much as Harrison is old

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    So was Connery back when he was making some of his more recent action adventures, I mean Entrapment? The dude was what, 65, 69? And how old was Roger Moore in those later Bond flicks, he had to be getting long in the tooth. All that to say that Harrison can still do it, he just has to bring back that charm, charisma, and loud exuberence. In all his later films he seems to be sleeping through some of his roles. He gets that deep voice, really sleepy and lethargic, and sort of mumbles his lines (see Firewall).

  • June 29, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    So is that the past connection

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Abner is who Indy sees? Is that it? I have to say if he was old in 35, he would be ancient in 55, but I suppose they could make it work. The thing is we would have no idea who Indy is supposed to be chasing, if those reports are true.

  • June 29, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Pillow! Buddy! Yes, TINO just ain't worth it now

    by finky089

    that Indy has started production. Unlike TINO, I'm in line for Indy IV for the midnight showing pretty much no matter what happens from here on out. <p> Probably even if there were flames on his leather bomber jacket.

  • June 29, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Mel, you make alot of sense about Tod vs Raiders etc

    by finky089

    In terms of being closer to one of the original concepts behind Raiders, ToD probably does come the closest to being like one of the old serials. And it's probably one of the reasons I also end up liking Raiders the best (my fave of all-time, in fact).

  • June 29, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Gotta love Spielberg's execution though

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Let's face it, once a project gets rolling The Beard really knows how to pump out that project. Consider some of the past epic fanboy projects, where they make a big announcement, and then 3 years later we see the final deal. Now obviously the development of this project has held it up for awhile, but now that they are filming, man there will probably be a working print (to which spies can report back on, Jett I am looking in your direction) by February of next year. That is pretty sweet!

  • June 29, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    btw, JETTL93, if you DO pull off getting the title

    by finky089

    and I mean, the actual title, it could be one of the biggest coups of all-time for an AICN talkback!

  • June 29, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST


    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    That's the thing with Raiders, they took the concept, and then spun it on its head by taking it serious. By the time they got to TOD, they sort of threw all the leftover gags they couldn't use in Raiders, and fashioned a script reminiscent of the old serials, with fancy night clubs, secret death cults who sacrifice humans, and blonde bombshells in trouble, as opposed to the brash and pugulistic Marion. I think Crusade sort of split the middle.

  • June 29, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    I'd just love to know what titles are in the running

    by finky089

    What titles are being bandied about for consideration... Or if Jett's heard any that might be in the running, perhaps? <p> But Jett, don't get yourself in trouble. We are enjoying reading your insights.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I agree with finky, big time coup

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    But don't e-mail it to Harry, that will just boost his already massively humongous ego, just let it loose in one of these talkbacks, so that the fans can see it first. If Harry wants to know, he will actually have to read through these talkbacks, imagine that. Power to the people, Marty! Power to the people, Coz!

  • June 29, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    He said City of Gods is out

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Lets break this down logically, Lucas loves the serial titles of old, ie Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, so he may go in that direction. And it takes place in the 50's so...

  • June 29, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Very true, Mel! (re: "Spielberg's execution")

    by finky089

    I don't think I've actually been this "excited" about a new film since Phantom Menace went into offical pre-production. <p> I mean, with the other prequels, you knew what was going to happen, just not the exact sequence. Indy IV, perhaps even a bit more than PM, is like a blank slate. We know some clues, but there's no expectations for it ala Anakins turns bad, kills jedi, Jett kills a clonetrooper, Anakin becomes Vader.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    It's 50's so...

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    So the title should represent that decade, and that was your time where you had all those cheezy alien/monster movies. Something out of MST3K, like "Ant Men Mutants from the 5th Dimension" or "The Last Night on Earth" or something in that vein.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    But, in going with Indy titles of the past

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    It has always been Indiana Jones and 'describe adventure here'. So City of Gods doesn't make enough sense as it is too vauge. They will be more literal. Like Indiana Jones and the Sky Chariot (not serious about that, just using that as an example) Or I J and The Journey Land that Time Forgot (again just trying to come up with a formula here).

  • June 29, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    ToD used to be my least favorite for those reasons

    by finky089

    As a kid, I certainly enjoyed the gags (dinner at Pankot, the raft ride, Shorty's antics escaping from slavery). But it was those elements that hamstrung it for me a bit as I grew up (some. I'm still 12 mentally and at heart.) <p> ToD volleys back and forth between being very dark, then sorta comical, then dark again. Which is kida of the way the old serials were often. <p> But it's also a reason I really like the Indy trilogy, because each film is different- but the same. I enjoy Bond flicks, but they are so muchmore homogenous when watched back to back. Versus Indy, which retains similar elements, but which are very much their own movies, esp when watched back to back.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    scorekeeper has some pics for us:

  • June 29, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Hey Finky

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    we are bringin the talk BACK man, like I said, Power to the People!

  • June 29, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Yeah, no City of Gods (sorry I'm catching up here)

    by finky089

    WHich I think is good, for the reason Jett mentioned. It's been out there for a while and a new title would be much more invigorating. <p> Plus, maybe it's just not as relevant to the current script. (I still would love to see that Darabont draft, too.)

  • June 29, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Thanks Allie

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Cool 50's look, was Indy tackling someone in that one shot or was he trying to get them out of the way of a moving vehicle? I really hope they come up with some great set pieces, like Raider's Boulder Rolling cave, Temple of Doom, or the Knights Tomb in Crusade, they have the money, the ability to do anything, so they should go BIG BIG BIG!

  • June 29, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    I'm hoping for a great Rube Goldberg type device

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    As well. Some type of trap, some sort of elaborate, over the top, booby trap or escape chase that fuels a boys imagination. My wife and I are expecting our first child this year, a son, and I can't wait to share these flicks with him, they are perfect young boy movies, or movies for young boys who never grew up.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Mel, that could be a good place to start for titles

    by finky089

    makes alot of sense to me. I rememebr before Attack of the Clones some guy on here linked a site that had titles of tons of old pulp comics/paperback novels, many of which had titles that sounded very close to SW film titles. Maybe Google can help me find it again sometime...

  • June 29, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Instead of Sci Fi, look for Adventure types

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    You might end up with Amazon women and the Avacado Jungle of Death, or something, but that to me spells Indiana Jones, more than Attack of the 'insert mutant/monster/alien here'

  • June 29, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    AllieJamison, thanks for the link

    by finky089

    Looks like an interesting shot with the "stunt doubles for Indy catching a ride (literally) on the back of the Shia stunt double's motorcycle.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Read Roger Ebert's review of Last Crusade

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    He explains exactly what is so magical about the Jones movies. In that review he wistfully describes the opening scene in Crusade as a pulp comic or Boys Life magazine cover from the 40's and 50's. Where the intrepid young Scouts have found the evil treasure looters staring greedily at the gold, you almost expected them to raise the loot above their heads and shout "It's mine! All mine! yeahhhh hahah ha ha ha ha!" Which, cheezy as it is, is still what makes these movies fun, the fact that you can imagine yourself as a boy of 8 to 10 or 12, heading in the hills to foil the robbers. Sure its all nostalgic fuzzy warmness, but I just pray Lucas and Spielberg remember that as they make this movie. I also pray (once again must throw this in there) that Janusz Kaminski can descend from atop his high throne of post-modern lighting and try to envision a more majestic, stylized film matching those 40's adventure serials if they had been in color.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Agreed on the title thing, Mel

    by finky089

    one of the things I've always suspected, but don't remember actually reading anywhere, was that "Last Crusade" seemed more fitting b/c they figured it's be the LAST Indy movie (for the foreseeable future, then), more so than it being such a fun and applicable title.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Oh, and congrats (in advance) on having a boy!

    by finky089

    My fiance and I are still undecided about kids, but I've got a 19 month old nephew that I can't wait to introduce formally to Indy.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    And, yes, bang-up job bringing this talk BACK

    by finky089

  • June 29, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Mori, Harry, Quint and the rest

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Join in here fellas, I am sure you have talked about Jones lately, theorized about what it could be, this is FREAKING INDIANA JONES! A new adventure, a new opportunity, are we that jaded from our dissapointment with the prequels that we can't let our hearts jump into this once more? Remember back before Phantom Menace? Every single talkback, no matter what it was, eventually turned into a PM talkback, with fans gushing at every turn over production stills, possible plot points, and theorizing about everything. Now I know to some extent our hearts were broken, and for some their childhoods were literally "raped" but c'mon, why not get excited ONE MORE TIME! How many more opportunities will we have left? Can we really get that gaga over another comic book adaptation, will we really go nuts over the inevitable sequel to Transformers? Maybe Jimmy Cameron will raise our spirits, but for now we have THE MAN IN THE HAT! Being brought to us by the Beard no less.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Thanks finky

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    For the kind words, and for helping to bring back this talkback.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Janusz Kaminski=nipples on batsuit, perhaps?

    by finky089

    just his lighting, that is...

  • June 29, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    I for one am getting more excited over this..

    by just pillow talk

    and I was a 'disbeliever' when this was first announced. I thought "15 years too late". But when I saw the still of Ford in full Jones attire...about damn time! I have renewed faith since DH4 was much better than expected, and I'm hoping beyond hope that Lucas doesn't fuck this up and Spielberg is in Indiana mode...

  • June 29, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    A call to to all AICN'ers

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    10 years ago, before the prequels, if we had known that a new Jones was on the way, would we not have been exstatic?!? Now I realize everyone has gotten down on le Beef, and Darabont getting turned down, and the prequels dissapointing, but lets look at the positives. A new Jones movie can't really screw up the past films, cause it ain't a prequel. This isn't Jones as a young boy saying "Yipeee!" (Which by the way I think he did in the Young Indy Chronicles, so too late) But rather a continuation of the story with the original charachter. Remember how lacking the prequels were without a Han Solo, well we don't have to worry about that. So come on, do it, get excited! Jeez I feel like a Cubs or Red Sox fan before the start of the season, but why the hell not, this is our realm of hope, our arena to be a passionate, nutty, hopelessly miopic fan. This isn't about the cold cynical view of the critic, this is supposed to be about our unexplainable love of film.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Someone else to share in my frustration. But I think I will have to move on, here I am trying to lead the charge on getting stoked for this epic, I guess I better not derail the train too bad with my fears over creative choices. For now I will just wait, pray, and see what God (or Spielberbg) brings us.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I was dubious too, when production was announced

    by finky089

    but like you, pillow, since the photo the other week, I've been getting increasingly excited about this film. <p> And without the expectations that I think we all had for the Prequels, this film really does come without baggage. I mean, sure, we expect it to feel like and "Indy" film, but that's a given.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Janusz Kaminski=nipples on batsuit

    by finky089

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  • June 29, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    that one was for Mel Gibsteinberg

    by finky089

    I actualyl have noticed what your talking about, but I never really put 2 and 2 together to figure out it could be the one guy's fault.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Hello, my name is just pillow talk...

    by just pillow talk

    and I am not a believer in Indy 4. I've been a believer for about a week. I try and not show it at work, in public, but people look at me with disbelief. I'm trying to be strong...for Indy. But it's so hard. I mean, the whip is back!

  • June 29, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    pillow, what did you think of LForDH?

    by finky089

    I'm probably renting it since my fiance isn't too interested, but I am curious if it's worth $12.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    hmmm...doesn't have that TINO ring to it finky...

    by just pillow talk

    It's pretty damn cool that my state got some Indy loving, even if it was Yale...

  • June 29, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    holy shit...

    by AllieJamison

    some real photos:

  • June 29, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    no, it really doesn't

    by finky089

    I have to admit that I don't have nearly the vitriol for it either.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    ah, you in CT, pillow?

    by finky089

    you lucky dog. <p> Then again I live about an hour south of Hollywood, but there's no Indy filing there!!

  • June 29, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Yes Finky, I am begining to believe

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    That JANUSZ KAMINSKI does indeed = NIPPLES ON THE BATSUIT! Let's all believe that he needs to figure out his game to make this flick look right!

  • June 29, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I hope Williams gives us a good Indy score, too

    by finky089

    I love my Indy scores (still need the ToD one, but it's so expensive to buy that "rare" import), but am really looking forward to adding to the rotation. Felt similarly for Prequel music, even though most of it's quite different from the OT scores. Williams himself seems to be scoring differently in the last 10 years than he did in the late-70's and 80's.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    shia's character

    by El Borak

    is named "mutt ravenwood" according to

  • June 29, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    finky - DH4

    by just pillow talk

    I got a free ticket and checked it out on Wednesday, and it was a lot better than I expected. The action was pretty damn good for the most part (until the Jet sequence which was unnecessary), and McClane was McClane. Took a bit for him to really shine through. Now it was just plain dumb to cut down the language. Some of the parts were so obviously dubbed over, it was ridiculous. Tim O. wasn't the best villain, wasn't bad, just not memorable. After watching it, I would have paid to see it since I haven't seen an action movie that was any good in so long. So it really boils down to if you can live with McClane being toned down a bit, and less blood being spilled, and a weaker supporting cast than the first one. If you read Vern's review, he pretty much nailed it on the head. <p>Choose wisely.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Okay, but can Janusz Kaminski =

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Flames on Optimus Prime! Probably not yet, cause we haven't seen the finished product yet, but when we get that first trailer, and we see a smirking Jones raise his face with his sweet Fedora lid on, and nod off camera and say "trust me!" all the while the edges of his hat, face, and kneck are blurred by the phosperecent white light behind him, so bright it hurts your eyes, then we will know. When we see the preview and he enters into some hot jungle, but instead of the sun looking warm and sweat inducing, it looks frigid and depressed, like some cold sterile form of light from THX 1138. And even that flick put in a gorgeous sun at the end, for whatever reason.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    yup, CT...not too far from New Haven

    by just pillow talk

    I was not inclined to try and be an extra. I'm sure there was more people from out of the country there then people from the state...

  • June 29, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Look at that finky!

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Not only did we get Jones talkback up to 3rd, but it isn't just us, others are joining in, I DO BELIEVE!

  • June 29, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by El Borak

    indy looks like my grandad on the back of that thing.

  • June 29, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    BELIEVE, Mel. Just Believe

    by finky089

    The power of Indy compels you! The power of Indy compels you! <p> Seriously, this is how I like my Friday afternoons to be: yacking about Indy with some true fans. <p> Work? What work?

  • June 29, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Allison - here's some more for you...

    by just pillow talk

  • June 29, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    wow, did I screw that up AllieJamison...

    by just pillow talk

    Sorry about that. Um, you can still look at the pics...if you want...

  • June 29, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    El Borak, I hope "Mutt" is just a nickname

    by finky089

    I do wonder if he will be "Abner" though. It would make alot of sense. <p> I think pillow opined a scene a few days ago (or on the last Indy TB) where Indy asks Shia his name. Shia says "Abner". Indy mentions he had a very close friend once named ABner Ravenwood. Shia pulls out his wallet and shows indy his license, which reads: Abner Ravenwood. <p> Freakin brilliant.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    goosebumps, man. goosebumps

    by finky089

  • June 29, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    i wonder about the bike chase

    by El Borak

    these new pics show indy on the back with shia driving. i wonder if that IS the chase or some other part. since they're shooting the chase scenes now i'd bet indy is on the back of the bike during it.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    THX-1138 & sun at the end - LOL

    by finky089

  • June 29, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    if he is on the back

    by El Borak

    he could grab a football and throw it like that report mentioned.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Exactly finky

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I have so much work piling up, but dude its Friday, I am on vacation next week, and dreaming about a sweet Indy flick is much better than doing work, HELL YEAH!

  • June 29, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    more photos of labeouf & ford

    by AllieJamison

    on that motorcycle:<br> <br> see the link above for similar ones

  • June 29, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    You may be onto something, El Borak

    by finky089

    Not sure it's it's actually a chase scene or just Indy going for a potentially unexpected ride somewhere with Shia laRavenwood. Doesn't look like there's following anyone else in any of the pics

  • June 29, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    so after shooting at Yale

    by just pillow talk

    they go to Hawaii, and then back to L.A.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Janusz Kaminski likes his colors muted

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    His light white hot, and his water to reflect that white hot light like it was on fire. He doesn't like the flames to resemble deep and warm campfire type flames, he likes them to look cold, modern, manufactured even. I think its cause he's German, and as we all know, GERMANS LOVE DAVID HASSELHOFF. And if they can love someone like the Hoff, they can't possibly understand what campfire story type flames are, they are too cold. Why do Germans make bizzare expresionist, nihilistic films, why does Dietrich love to wear all black and touch his nipples (and his monkey) the answer to that may be too disturbing, but it means they will never fully understand what a true Indiana Jones picture should look like.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    from all the doesn't look like a chase scene.

    by just pillow talk

    but perhaps they stop off at the library or something and get followed from there, and then the chase is on.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Must be 2nd unit shooting in New Mexico

    by finky089

    where that production short on showed things kicking off with SS and GL. Kinda funny, huh, since Harrison and Shia are obviously in New Haven. <p> BTW, how geeky is it that I've had the Raiders score playing for the last hour?

  • June 29, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    This TB is #2 now, kids.

    by finky089

    Talk about being brought back from the brink...;)

  • June 29, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    yes, since the cast & crew just came from NM...

    by just pillow talk

    That's the word from Frank Marshall.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Isn't the footage on the video

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    From several weeks ago?

  • June 29, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I don't remember Col Dietrich with a moneky in Raiders?

    by finky089

    Just his face melting at the end <p> ;)

  • June 29, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I thought the footage was from last week?

    by finky089

    Wasn't that pic of Harrison in Indy clothes was from 6/21? <p>

  • June 29, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    polish people love david hasselhoff

    by AllieJamison

    I believe there was some report saying that the football/sports field scene had been canceled. And I think it has been quasi-confirmed that after being in Deming all cast and crew moved to New Haven on Sunday/Monday. <br> <br> I dunno what exactly you screwed up, j.pillow t.. my name (i don't know how allie jamison likes it if folks call her allison) or that link. anyway...don't worry about it. <br> <br> <br> And...I'm really not liking that smart ass feeling but Janusz Kaminsky is from goddamn POLAND. Some of my alleged ancestors may have stayed in Poland for some time and thought they actually possessed it but I'm quite sure that the wonderful country Kaminsky comes from goes by the name of POLAND.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    the title of that last post should actually read: are you guys drunk?

  • June 29, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    the bike photos are from the last couple of days..

    by just pillow talk

    and I can't speak from the others, but I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue...

  • June 29, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    well, does it really matter where Janusz is from?

    by finky089

    I mean, even if his overzealous light does come in to play during Indy IV, I'm still stoked for the film. <p> can't wait for '08.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    I have high hopes for '08 now...

    by just pillow talk

    This...Iron Man, the Dark Knight...<p>If I get that many good action/fun movies, I'll be stoked cause that never happens anymore.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Pillow, check the "tiny" link a few posts up

    by finky089

    that pic of indy in the fedora is from last Thursday. <p> But now that I think about it, i guess the NM stuff could have been from earlier in the week. Didn't look like Harrison was there for the champaigne speech. <p> I think I remember reading that production was supposed to kick off on 6/18. Guess that's why i supposed the footage was from that day.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    ok...I'm out...

    by just pillow talk

    have fun with your nonwork working day finky...

  • June 29, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Dammit you are right Allie

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Janusz is from Poland, not Germany. I read something about several German film schools he attended, taught at, or presented at, or something, and I assumed. Also Poland is much less fun to make fun of then Germany. Either way Kaminski needs to spend some time watching Lawrence of Arabia, Big Country, ET and the original Indy trilogy to understand that his cold Euro ways won't work for this film, THEY WON'T WORK!

  • June 29, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    AllieJamison, you feeling good about Indy IV, or what?

    by finky089

  • June 29, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    lol -thanks pillow; enjoy the weekend, buddy

    by finky089

  • June 29, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    We did it finky!

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    We saved Dunder Mifflin!!! I mean we got this TB up to numero uno! It won't last, and I am on my way out, but it was a nice ride while it lasted.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    One last cry to Indy fans!

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    So many topics to discuss, the next Indy talkback needs to be HUGE! Such topics include: Potential titles, Shia being called Mutt, Aliens or no Aliens, Whether Janusz Kaminski=nipples on batsuit, or actually flames on Optimus, has the beard gotten stronger as a filmaker, weaker, or just different? Finally, we have all decried Shia LeBeouf to death, so lets avoid talk of him, the SW prequels, and ummm, bad puns about Harrison's age.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    2008 is looking (surprisingly) pretty good

    by finky089

    I remember around New Years talking to my fiance about sumemr movies and saying that 2007 had such great potential with all the stuff crammed intot his summer, but that 2008 was looking bleak. <p> Now, I'm more jazzed for '08 than I think I was for '07, which was mainly Spidey, Pirates, and Potter for me. <p> Iron Man, Indy, Dark Knight, Saw 8! (jk on that last one)

  • June 29, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    yeah, it was a fun ride, Mel. Have a good one

    by finky089

  • June 29, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Nickname Mutt- that's what I figured

    by finky089

    it sounds "greaser-like", too. I figured that Shia would be named "Abner", but wonder if he's the ONLY Abner Ravenwood in Indy IV?? I am not sure I want to see Marion's dad suddenly "not dead".

  • June 29, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Hey Jett, have you seen even a script for Indy yet?

    by finky089

    I mean, just one laying around, or George holding one? Anything? <p> And do you have any idea whether Indy and Marion actually get to have some screentime together talking about the past? Any mention of Marcus Brody in the film?

  • June 29, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    a short glimpse of my autobiography, finky

    by AllieJamison

    I watched all indy flicks within a week before christmas when I was 14. These were like the first films I saw...metaphorically speaking. It was the first time I asked myself who would create something magical as that, which had such an enourmous impact on me. It was probably the first word I searched for on the internet. It was my entrance to film in general. <br> So YES I Am of course excited about this. And I always have been. I guess that before giving myself that stupid AllieJamison name I called myself (even more stupid) drjones on these tbs. Well...I was young. <br> So...ever since I head about Indy IV, I was 60% very excited and 40% afraid of it. But I belong to those folks who actually wanted it to happen. I actually jumped up and down in my room every time I read something positive about this flick in the past 8 years. <br> Actually I feel exactly the way Quint described it in his words above. The thing is that by being born in 86 I never experienced the release of an Indy film. And I guess that's what fueled my desire for Indy IV all along the way. Even though it's a stupid motivation. Actually I think this project is really insane. And it's a miracle if this film will work for me. btw: I am drunk.

  • June 29, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    aaaand....after the cynicism and fun in this TB faded and people actually started believing Jett I was quite disappointed but also....entertained. Thanks for that. Also you and Mel made a great romantic lead.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    AllieJamison, you crazy lady (or guy?)

    by finky089

    it's too early to be drunk already! <p> That's cool motivation. Seriously, the Indy films are possibly my three most favorite films, if only b/c Raiders is my absolute favorite and I love the Dr. Jones character. In some ways I marvel in surprise that Lucasfilm or Paramount or whoever owned the rights to IJ never did any "expanded universe" novels of serialized Indy adventures, the same way they did with all the Star Wars books. I'd have eaten those up if they had them for Indy. <p> I was a bit too young to remember seeing Raiders in theater, but my parents say they took me to it. (I was born in '77) But it's the first film (ok, besides the Watership Down animated movie) I remember watching on VHS. And to date I've probably seen the film over 200 times easily. <p> Nobody, including myself, seems to remember whether I went to Temple of Doom in the theater, but I remember watching it lots on HBO and we had it on VHS (taped from cable), too. <p> Last Crusade i was psyched for when it came out in '89. And I remember trying to stay away from spoilers, even back then (which mostly consisted of not watchign the TV trailers, since that's about all I had exposure to.) <p> Glad to see there's still such strong desire from people to see Indy again. Old or not, Fod IS Indiana Jones and I have confidence he can bring him back to the big screen.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    regularfactoht- nice list

    by finky089

    Bad = Sallah as comic relief <p> Good = Sallah excluded from Indy IV if he was just going to be comic relief again <p> Bad = Aliens <p> Good = "Jett" indicates the aliens are a ruse. Not really aliens, but something that appeared to be like them, which is explained away as something supernatural, like the other supernatural elements of the previous film

  • June 29, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Alliejamison, whatcha drinking?

    by finky089

    glad Mel and I could entertain you. You don't believe Jett?

  • June 29, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    I love headlines containing the word JETT and Dad

    by AllieJamison know it's like midnight here in germany. It's interesting to hear about these pre-Internet "Spoiler" experiences and the behaviour of anticipation back then. Thanks for sharing. I guess almost everyone on this site has a love for Indy (be it just Raiders, all three of them, or every flick despite Crusade). Some people are just thinking more realisticly or are more cynical then others. <br> btw: The Raven at is a fine place for indy enthusiasts.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    I love headlines containing the words JETT and Dad

    by AllieJamison know it's like midnight here in germany. It's interesting to hear about these pre-Internet "Spoiler" experiences and the behaviour of anticipation back then. Thanks for sharing. I guess almost everyone on this site has a love for Indy (be it just Raiders, all three of them, or every flick despite Crusade). Some people are just thinking more realisticly or are more cynical then others. <br> btw: The Raven at is a fine place for indy enthusiasts.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    Got back from some thing where they had some delicious Apfelwein (apple wine), that's all. I trust in Jett and you to keep this weird TB all its insanity.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns???

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Who is on the shoot that was on SR? Cause that aint going to help matters either, talk about muted colors and fuzzy light, I mean it was a little better at parts, but that night scene up on top of the Daily Planet was lame, and also the scene sucked too.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    yeah, I enjoy

    by finky089

    but have sadly spent, like, all day on this TB. <p> You're in Germany, huh? I work for a German bank. How unspectacularly coincidental. <p>I think there's a part of me that wants to believe what Jett has said b/c I'm psyched for this film. But there's also part of me that doesn't care b/c I enjoy talkin' Indy so much anyway. <p> Like I've said before, the speculation is half the fun. <p> So, are you in school in Germany, on vacation, or just live there?

  • June 29, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    there won't be aliens

    by El Borak

    possibly an area 51 bit but no aliens.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    #1 talkback

    by El Borak

    msj is still a shitty bastard for ruining ghost rider.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    you're right about the speculation

    by AllieJamison

    I've always been living here. Interesting that you work at a german bank. If I remember correctly Spielberg said he had chosen Slocombe because he could easily adapt to different styles. I don't worry about any blurry things Kaminski will shoot.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Aliens being a ruse - I like

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    That would be great to turn the whole Chariots of the Gods thing on its head, the idea that instead of all those people seeing aliens in the night sky, it was actually just secret government testing, orrrrr it was something supernatural, even better. Keep things mysterious I say, no need to explain everything, like freaking midi-chlorians, why??? WHY JETT WHY??? Sorry, didn't mean to yell. Actually its okay Jett, don't answer that.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Dude, aliens = Nazis. You know it to be true.

    by superninja


  • June 29, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Midichlorians- -ugh!

    by finky089

    Yes, there better be no equivalent of midichlorians in Indy IV. <p> Though I think Spielberg will stave off any of that stuff should George have been tempted.

  • June 29, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I can seriously do without aliens, though

    by finky089

    It just doesn't fit with the Indyverse, which certainly contain elements of the supernatural, but not "aliens". Having them be a ruse for something else is a much better turn and frankly, a bit more original. I mean "aliens are ACTUALLY behind it" has been done to death since X-files got popular in the mid-90's. Indy's too good for that (I hope.)

  • June 29, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    no way is Indy going to be fighting Nazis, superninja

    by finky089

    or did you mean simply that Hitler was a "grey" in disguise? ;)

  • June 29, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Random Raider question for ...anyone still here

    by finky089

    because I've obviously given up hope that I'll do any more work this afternoon...<p> Who's the guy with glasses in the plane that "spies" on Indy when he departs to Nepal? <p> And don't tell me "Dennis Muren". <p> When I was a kid I always thought this was Toht, but later on I relaized it wasn't Ronald Lacey (confirmed when I found out it was Muren).

  • June 29, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    JETT, ask Dad about that question above

    by finky089

    ^- that was just to make AllieJamison laugh.

  • June 29, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    I kind of figured as much

    by finky089

    just curious if anyone ever thought there was anything more to it.

  • June 29, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    another one for you regularfacetoht

    by finky089

    Gobbler, the "2nd in command" to Col. Deitrich, did he or did he not go over the side of that cliff in the jeep with the machine gun? <p> One of my friends and I semi-argued about this for years. He says it's not the same guy and that Gobbler survives the movie. I disagree b/c it was Gobbler who was in the jeep.

  • June 29, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    The greys seeded the Nazis with their

    by superninja

    technology, though and now they are passing it onto the dang Ruskies! And Hitler is an Aztec clone.

  • June 29, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Chariot of the Gods = Midichlorians.

    by superninja

    Speilberg and Lucas are probably thinking up new and exciting ways to screw up their other contributions now that Indy IV is shooting. Jaws is actually a tragic victim of scientific experimentation and we need to understand Jaws's pain.

  • June 29, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Jaws The Prequel.

    by superninja

    Jaws is really angry about global warming. :(

  • June 29, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    ET Returns

    by superninja

    ET comes back to Earth only to find Elliot is a Republican! Elliot attempts to get ET deported, only to find that Gertie has fallen in love with ET and is bearing his alien love-child. Let the healing begin.

  • June 29, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Jaws: The Screw up

    by finky089

    lol, susperninja: "Jaws is actually a tragic victim of scientific experimentation and we need to understand Jaws's pain."

  • June 29, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    super, does that mean Roy Neary left with the Nazis?

    by finky089

    That certainly changes the message of Close Encounters and Williams' little "When You Wish Upon A Star" cue at the end of the movie, doesn't it?

  • June 29, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Midichlorians = nipples on batsuit

    by finky089

    fucked. all of it is fucked up.

  • June 29, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    i can't beleive I've been on this TB for 4 hours

    by finky089

    if it wasn't all in the name of Indy IV, I'd feel like a complete shithead.

  • June 29, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    later kids. Who knows if this will be around Monday

    by finky089

    but there's always the next one!

  • June 29, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Thank you, toht!

    by finky089

    #3 was a point I made specifically before, but my friend contested he just stayed in Egypt when the Nazis went after the bantu Wind in the submarine.

  • June 29, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Long Live Indiana Jones!

    by finky089

  • June 29, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Amen to that finky089

    by mrfan

    Looking forward to this movie. I cannot wait for a teaser trailer in the theatre. I bet my goosebumps get goosebumps.

  • June 29, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    finky, less Red Bull.

    by Bronx Cheer


  • June 29, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    If you keep tabs on IMDB, you would have already known

    by Bronx Cheer

    John Hurt was playing Ravenwood.

  • June 30, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST

    new spoilers sort of !

    by El Borak

    Shia is signed to the next 2 INDY FILMS AS WELL. Sure everybody gets signed to three picture deals these days, but the buzz is that this franchise could live on as a generational saga if audiences love Shia as much as director Steven Spielberg does...<BR> <BR>By the way Spielberg, be careful of modern gadgets – everything has a camera in it now. You certainly wouldn’t want pictures of Cate Blanchett in her Soviet outfit with a tight black bob, tall boots and a sword in her belt getting out on the web, would you?<BR> <BR>from chud. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  • June 30, 2007, 1:54 a.m. CST

    cate is hot!

    by El Borak

    i can't wait to see her sexed up villainess sword fighting in tight rusky clothes!!

  • June 30, 2007, 4:39 a.m. CST

    hey man

    by El Borak

    don't shoot the messenger.<BR> <BR>i'm guessing they mean a spin off. instead of INDAINA JONES AND THE... it will be MUTT RAVENWOOD VS THE...<BR> <BR>i can just hear a belloq-like character saying,"So, again MUTT RAVENWOOD comes to the rescue. I would have thought you would have learned your lesson by now MUTT!"

  • June 30, 2007, 4:47 a.m. CST

    thinking about it...

    by El Borak

    the problem is wanting to continue a great series with an old cast. you either spin off with a different younger character or you revert to a new actor in prequel style films.<BR> <BR>if this one (4) is good maybe they could squeeze out 1 more with shia doing more of the action and saving the "old man". then in turn being shown up by the "stately gent" in the end.<BR> <BR>but this one (4) took 138 years to get made so i doubt it. it's justeasier to plop shia into 2 more indy style/universe flicks.<BR> <BR>personally i would rather have a few indy films leading up to ToD time with a decent younger actor.

  • June 30, 2007, 4:54 a.m. CST

    easier to plop shia in

    by El Borak

    operative word being "plop".

  • June 30, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    that would be a BIG mistake....

    by just pillow talk

    Indy can only be Ford, none other. And if they were to spin his character off in similar would that work? Would they have Ford in them as his 'adviser' or something? Why even make them? So like regularfacetoht said, it took them 18 years to get their asses in gear, but now they will turn around (or potentially want to) 3 movies with Shia in them???? Does NOT make sense.

  • June 30, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Picture of Indy and SHia on motorcycle

    by jhpiii


  • June 30, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I'd never watch an Indy film with another actor.

    by Bronx Cheer

    I never watched the young Indy show. (Okay, I was too drunk to figure out where it was on cable, but that's another story.) But there are a few iconic characters who are so completely interwoven with the DNA of the actor that I would think any attempt to portray the character using another actor would be fraud and I doubt I would ever see the film.</p> <p>Call it brand loyalty. Here are a few characters that I will only accept the originating performer as...Indy, Pee Wee Herman, Snake Plissken, Charles Foster Kane, Lassie, Yoda, Jo from "Facts of Life," Goober, Crewman #2 from the episode "Charlie X" from the first season of Star Trek...</p> <p>Okay, I should have been more serious in compiling that list. But I swear to GOD if anyone dares think of doing a Mayberry show and having some lesser talent portray Goober, I shall be forced top scream from the mountaintops...Goober in Name Only! GINO GINO GINO.

  • June 30, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones/Tintin/Aliens

    by MTXX

    Indiana Jones started out as Spielberg's tribute to Hergé's Tintin books... and the last couple of (fairly strange) Tintin books from the late 60s/mid 70s had Tintin riding on a motor bike with hippie peace signs on it, and "Flight 714" had a "Chariot of the Gods" style alien climax. However, according to various internet rumours these aren't the Tintin books that Spielberg and Jackson are adapting, so I guess there's still room for Spielberg to borrow the alien thing for the last Indiana Jones flick.

  • June 30, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST


    by El Borak

    there are new photos with indy driving the bike and shia on the back. interesting.

  • June 30, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    spoiler pics

    by El Borak<BR> indy jumps from a vehicle? to the back of the bike!

  • June 30, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    and something just for fun

    by El Borak<BR> <BR>in case you don't know, take the spaces out of the urls. peace.

  • June 30, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    El Borak, make friends with

    by Bronx Cheer

    It takes no time at all and you'll make friends for making the effort. (There's even a link at the bottom of the screen!)

  • July 1, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Shia will never be able to pull off shirtless

    by superninja

    like Ford did, that's for sure. I am not for anyone else filling Indy's shoes. Except Hugh Jackman or Eric Bana, and that can just be for a poster.

  • July 1, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    duly noted

    by El Borak

    msj ruined gr.

  • July 1, 2007, 2:45 a.m. CST

    If thats the real deal

    by BlackIronPrison

    I'll be well pleased. Makes me wonder though, which part of that they thought was "a little too connected"? Gotta admit i was quite fond of the "City of the Gods" title. Maybe they'll use it for the next one. I wish.

  • July 1, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST

    How F'ing Cool...

    by BlackIronPrison

    That Jett (if he's really who we think he is) has decided to share? It's fantastic to know that this shit is exciting him as well. You Fucking Rock Jett!!! I've got one silly recommendation that you could possibly pass on though: R2-D2 and C-3PO should be seen somewhere in the "Raiders wharehouse" as ancient artifacts. That would be brilliant in my opinion and prove once and for all that The Ewoks Are Us!!!

  • July 1, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    sounds good

    by El Borak

    incorporates the crystal skull. i'm game.

  • July 1, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    here's some cool..

    by El Borak

    some cool info on pharoah's crowns<BR> <BR>

  • July 2, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST

    JETTL93, i dunno if you'll still see this, but if so

    by finky089

    You are the man!! Way to come through with details. Whether or not that ends up being the story we see on the screen next year, I like the sound of it. And I guess I can deal with Abner SR.coming out of hiding for something like that. And since john hurt will be Abner, heck, what's not to like about that?

  • July 2, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST

    I'll buy that plot...

    by just pillow talk

    And there was no way there was ever going to be aliens in this. <p>If all of that is indeed true, you are the king of kings JettL93.

  • July 4, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    JETTL93 Is Lying...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... and I can prove it. He's said now that INDIANA JONES & THE CITY OF THE GODS was never in use. That's not true. That was the title of the film as recently as a year ago. Not a cover title... the actual title. And when he says there was never a scene in any draft involving nuclear testing, that is absolutely not true. A version of the scene appeared in the Jeb Stuart drafts of the script, and a GREAT version of the scene appeared in the Darabont draft. I'm not reporting that based on hearsay... I've read the scripts. The only draft of INDY 4 I haven't read yet is the one that Koepp is still rewriting at the moment as they shoot. <P>If he's telling you blatant untruths like this which would suggest he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does, I would suggest you take the rest of this self-aggrandizing stuff he's posting with a giant boulder of salt.

  • July 6, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    we'll see

    by finky089