June 22, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST
June 22, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST
by Boba Fat
It's cheap with big selesction
June 22, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST
by Boba Fat
My attention was diverted by Kraken : Tentacles of the deep on Sci Fi. Hope you had fun Quint it was good to meet you on Tuesday.
June 22, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST
i actually thought this was one of the best books in the series...
June 22, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST
by Lando Griffin
Yates sounds like a cool bloke.
June 22, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST
That's it! You ruined the 6th book for me.
June 22, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST
June 22, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST
Looks like High-Def DVD might be completely screwed now.
June 22, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST
How is Order of the Phoenix the weakest book of the series? Yeah, there's a ton of bloat, but the writing and main story are still better than Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets.
June 22, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST
by Admiral Kirk
June 22, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST
I know I harp on this on every Yates talkback, but that little HBO gem gives you a fantastic example of Yates' directing style and his ability to work with great actors on emotional and subtle scenes. And Bill Nighy should have been Dumbledore. And Kelly McDonald should have been Tonks.
June 22, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST
There didn't seem to be that central 'thing' that the story revolved around. A McGuffin I guess.
June 22, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST
by The Ref
Your mom is the weakest of the books.
June 22, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST
It's slightly meandering, but I loved it. Tons of people have told me it's their least favorite of the series after the fact and that just leaves me completely baffled. Maybe because Harry's kind of moody? Anyhoo.
June 22, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST
It had the best pacing, the most interesting twist, and the intricately-woven finale was flawless.<p> One of my predictions for "Deathly Hollows" is that the time-turners show up again. Rowling made a point of bringing them up in book 5 again, if they are in the film version of OOTP, you know they have importance. So far, everything that's made the translation from book to film has been proven relevant in some way.
June 22, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST
Time is such an easy way out of things. It was handled beautifully in Prisoner of Azkaban, but that was we weren't expecting it, and we didn't feel cheated because of all the great "rules of time" that Rowling invented. Using it for the finale would, however, feel wrong.
June 22, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST
Or some invisotext. That was a major spoiler for those who haven't read the books. You know, some people just watch the movies. I'd be really mad right now if I hadn't already read the books. You might want to do something about that. Just a suggestion.
June 22, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST
part, I jumped into the interview. May want to highlight that part.
June 22, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST
translate onto the screen. Anybody who has read the book may agree with me - there is almost no action. Especially after seeing Order, many people will expect more, and may be upset there isn't more. Who knows.
June 22, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST
No doubt. People that say the 4th one are dumb and simply swayed by big set pieces. Oh, and it was EASILY the best of the movies, too (the 3rd one).
June 22, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST
I can't believe this nobody gets to do two films in a row. They best bring back Cuaron for #7.
June 22, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST
Really, screw Blockbuster.
June 22, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST
There WAS a spoler warning, at the beginning of the article. Did you just skip right to the questions or something?
June 22, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST
by Turd Furgeson
You did a great job of getting him to tell you the tone and feel he is going to set for movie 6 without actually telling you details... I can actually see it in my mind.. I get what he's saying. Great interview!
June 22, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST
The ironing is delicious.
June 22, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST
Relax folks. Dumbledore does not die in the 6th book. It's only meant to make you think so. Given that the effect of the curse when cast by Snape is nothing like when it was cast by Moody on the spider in the fourth book, and that we hear a phoenix crying for three days, gives Dumbledore a pretty good chance for survival into the seventh book I imagine :)
June 22, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST
Order Of The Phoenix is my favourite of the books. For me it cemented this series as an out-and-out all-time classic. It contains Jo Rowling's best writing (apart from maybe in book 1 where every line is pure genius, even though it's more of a children's book) The only reason people don't like it is that it's the longest and they probably never even got the end. After the brilliance of Order, much of Half-Blood Prince felt like...dawdling and messing around (at least it did to me). The Tom Riddle/Voldemort backstory stuff was GREAT, as were the last few chapters, but in the middle we get too much crap involving luck potions, love potions, bordering on fanfic-style material thrown in just to make up the pages. There wasn't a strong enough plot (you don't even get what the plot has been until the climactic scene at the end.). Even from the few illustrations we've seen from the final book you can tell it will be much better.
June 22, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST
Uh uh. JKR confirmed last August in NYC the he is definitely dead and we "should not expect him to pull a Gandalf."
June 22, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST
The third movie is really confusing if you haven't read the book. Looks great, but a little weaker on the story side of things.
June 22, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST
But, after reading Goblet, which was action packed, the Order just felt too slowly paced. Loved Half-Blood Prince. Can't wait for Alan Rickman to kick some ass. Plus, they had better cast Bob Hoskins as Slughorn.
June 22, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST
by Pound Sand
Well, actually, they're all kind of the same. Boring and Repetitive. And boring. Also, repetitive. And even though the Brits say, "brilliant," and "yeah," a lot, I'd rather watch Porky's because at least you know you're gonna get some tit.
June 22, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST
Yeah, go watch that Pond Sand. Where is the TB for Porky's anyway?
June 22, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST
Priorities, I guess. A lot of people like the third film because fidelity to the source material isn't necessarily as important to them. I'm a pretty big fan of the books and I enjoy the third film more than any other. People like Alfonso Cuaron's films because he's a good director (cue rant from anchorite telling me I'm lying...), not because he's Alfonso Cuaron. And I rate it much higher than 'Goblet of Fire,' which was arguably more faithful despite the fact that it dropped the ball on important subplots. Snape's history as a Death Eater wasn't explored and was barely even addressed (if you hadn't read the book and you weren't listening closely you might have even missed it), which is slightly more important than the identity of Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs.
June 22, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST
the fourth book was the best, though, the movie was just okay. The Azkaban movie was just brilliant. So far above the other three movies made so far. Truly a stand alone great peice of work. I don't know why some people keep saying the Half Blood is better than Phoenix though, I felt the opposite. Harry leading Dumbledore's Army was very cool, and I felt real dread for the first time in the whole series at the end of Phoenix. Best thing about the Harry Potter books is that it has elevated books to the level of rock stars or blockbuster movies. They may not be great art, but when else do you see that many kids drop everything and just devour an 800 page book. JK Rowling rocks!
June 22, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST
the movies are not masterpieces, maybe to some degre HP & POA in my opinion. But all of them are entertaining and enjoyable, no more and no less.
June 22, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST
..it was pretty funny stuff.
June 23, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST
by lavatory love machine
maybe you should have ask him how the hell he got the job
June 23, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST
To me it was the most entertaining. I've heard a few people talk about how they think it's the weakest, but I absolutely loved it. There were so many themes in the book that I'm a total sucker for, namely the idea of all the mismatched kids banding together (in Dumbledore's Army) to fight their common enemies. The Grawp thing was the only part that felt out of place; other than that the book was just a total blast from beginning to end. The Weasley Twins "escape" from Hogwarts? Absolutely brilliant. Half Blood Prince, by contrast, felt a lot like a setup to me; I loved the stuff with Harry and Dumbledore, and especially of course with Snape, but it just wasn't as much fun as OOTP. Of course, I'm also a sucker for Harry/Ginny, so I enjoyed that, and the whole late-in-the-game sequence when Harry takes the luck potion is pure entertainment. Still, side by side, I liked OOTP a lot more. I think I'll read them both again to gear up for Deathly Hallows, though.
June 23, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST
It could be. I've only spoken with one person who hasn't read the books about it, and they said they followed it okay. I thought it was fine, but it's a little more difficult for me to weigh in on that issue because I'd read the book first. Was it just the fact that stuff was moved around, or was it something about the story itself?
June 23, 2007, 2:24 a.m. CST
Well, sorry to tell you, but Dumbledore IS most certainly DEAD. Just like with the rest of the dead headmasters and headmistress' his picture is hung in his former office. Also, his Phoenix would not be LAMENTING if he wasn't dead. Lament means to express grief, to mourn. He's not going to suddenly come back and make everything okay and be Harry's protector again. He's gone, it's finished. And also, right before Snape used the Killing Curse on him the book says "Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was REVULSION and HATRED etched ....." How do you possible think, with those facts, that he will come back in the 7th book? JKR even says plainly that Dumbledore is dead and isn't coming back. Given, he might help Harry from his Picture, but he'll still be dead.
June 23, 2007, 5:37 a.m. CST
I still think there is more to Snape's story. I do not think it is as straightforward as 'Snape was evil all along'. We have never received a satisfactory explanation of why Dumbledore trusted him so implicitly. Dumbledore is no fool - I do not believe for a second that Snape managed to hoodwink him into thinking he was on his side. I still think Snape is working undercover for the OOTP, and his apparent murder of Dumbledore is just a way of gaining voldemort's complete trust. However if Dumbledore really is dead then my theory is on some pretty shaky ground.
June 23, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
It's been brutally disappointing so far, and I really hope Yates has delivered what he seems to be after - something that's exciting but also has emotion etc. And please, for the good of us all, when it comes to the final scores, may the best film win. Because I don't know how much more 'this ain't Shakespeare, this is about BLOWING SHIT UP' I can take...
June 23, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
The HP Idiots are the ones who like the first two movies because they are 'more faithful' to the books. Simple as that. The rest of us can tell a good film from a bad one. (If you pop onto ROTTEN TOMATOES you'll see I'm not on my own here.) And I gotta say that it's those first two films that have turned a proportion of AICN talkbackers against this franchise. To those guys I'd say, try Azkaban and Goblet.
June 23, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST
I would expect Snape to feel revulsion and hatred...for the act that Dumpledore was pleading for him to do, and which he did not want to do, because it was certainly dangerous. The spell Snape cast, however, was nothing like the killing curse demonstrated to the DADA class, and Rowling is not famous for that sort of inconsistency. Fawkes would certainly be lamenting, for at that stage only the tears of a phoenix could save Dumbledore, and it clearly took a lot of them to pull off the trick. Regardless of the false herring that Rowling stated (and I'll admit she's not famous for those either, but she evidently made an exception this time) you can certainly count on Dumbledore returning in book 7. Also, remember that although Rowling said he is dead, she also said the answer is in book 7. Perhaps death means something different when applied to Dumbledore. I don't expect him to just walk up, tap Harry on the shoulder, and say "I'm back!" But he's certainly not entirely gone.
June 23, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST
Because his was without question the most magical of the Potter movies (the unpopular changes from the book I blame on the screenwriters and the inconsistancies with the previous movies I forgive because the previous movies made crap decisions). That they are getting some no name to make two Potter movies stinks of a Tim Story/Bret Rattner-style we want a maleable hack to control more easily sort of move that I wish Hollywood would wake up and get over already.
June 23, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST
Your TB name is Mr Gorilla
June 23, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
June 23, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
Cuaron's film was wonderful, and it would have been good to have had him come back. Maybe for the last film? If tragedy etc. is on the agenda, he'd handle it brilliantly.
June 23, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST
...and allow the franchise to go out strong like it started. The last two movies have flushed this series down the toliet.
June 23, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST
June 23, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
June 23, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST
by Mickey The Idiot
You will not be disappointed. Two superb UK minis by Yates. SoP is getting the remake treatment with Brad Pitt but go for the original - it's also written by Paul Abbott, THE MAN in British scriptwriting today. Trust me, you should then help yourself to a few seasons of Abbott's Shameless afterwards in HMV. Oh, and with Yates' works you'll figure out why Brits rave about John Simm.
June 23, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST
...hiring a prima dona director like Cuaron, who turned out more of a personal vanity piece than a Harry Potter movie.
June 23, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST
by Mickey The Idiot
Do not start watching SoP while you're still in London. You won't leave the hotel room until it's done and I'm sure you'd like to see some of the city. ;-)
June 23, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST
I just reread it, and while it is stronger than the first two books, it doesn't reach the same level as all the rest from 3 on (when the series hit its stride) for one reason: the core reason for the conflict and tragedy just doesn't quite make sense. The whole mess could have been avoided, and SB's life saved, had Dumbledore or anyone other adult communicated a little more clearly with Harry. I know they explained their reasons why the kept him the dark but...I never quite buy those reasons. It just doesn't quite add up or hold together logically as clearly as the other ones do. Other than that, it's a great book, but that lack of logic in the central conflict makes it kind of fall apart to me.
June 23, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST
And J.K. wrote in such a way to reflect those horrible teenage years. As a work of art, it's very imppressive. As entertainment, it's very draining and dreary.
June 23, 2007, 11 a.m. CST
Come on. Come on. Get here already. Quint, you have to freeze me. When I wake up, in three weeks, the movie and book will be out.
June 23, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST
In one year. Come on. Come on. Turn eighteen already! Quint, you have to freeze me!
June 23, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST
of Order of the Phoenix. It was a real downer. Personally, I enjoyed Half-Blood Prince more than any of the other books. Regarding your Hermione post, though, I really hope you're twenty or twenty-one, tops. Not to join the cliche`, but passing beyond merely recognizing a pretty girl when you see one, into the realm of obsession is a bit creepy.
June 23, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST
It's O.K. to pull out your broom.
June 23, 2007, noon CST
...for the love of the Jeebus, bring him back for the last film.
June 23, 2007, noon CST
It's O.K. to pull out your wand.
June 23, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST
Like someone said before, Order Of The Phoenix was one of my favorite books of the series, followed by Half-Blood Prince and Goblet Of Fire.
June 23, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST
by King Sweyn Forkbeard
The first two Potter films were faithful adaptations, but a bit cloying and ploddingly directed. POA was undoubtedly the finest film of the series (although overrated), but as an adaptation it was a hackjob of the worst calibre. Huge chunks of story were missing, and as a result the climax felt oddly rushed. GOF was probably the best balanced between the two, albeit far from perfect. <P> Yates can set a mark here if he can nail this. OoTP is an underrated book IMO.
June 23, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST
by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa
CHEADLE WEARS A BUNCH OF MO-CAP 'BALLS' THAT DANGLE FROM HIS BODY AS HE THRUSTS A CG WALRUS COCK INTO A NOT-SO-CG SORE ANUS OF DANIELLE RADCLIFFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 23, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST
by David Lazarus Long
Ehh, how about the entire army of Death Eaters including GIANT CRAZY WEREWOLF MAN fighting all the DA and half the Hogwarts teachers inside the school, while the good guys will be slow-mo dodging curses left and right from that whatchamacallit "perfect luck" potion? <p> Yea. There's NO action in that one at ALL.
June 23, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST
Order of the Pheonix really stands out for me as the best book in the series, so I'm really looking forward to this. These films sort of defy conventional logic in that each one really does get better than the last.
June 23, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST
June 23, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST
by David Lazarus Long
but I liked the 5th book BECAUSE it's so dark and depressing. Writing lines that carve themselves into the back of his hand? Yea, that's what I'm talking about. Hope Radcliffe can pull off the kind of intense frustration/anger/apathy Harry is dealing with, especially in the final talk with Albus. And the 'flashback' pensieve scene is going to be monumental.
June 23, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST
Melancholy, joyous, beautiful, macabre. The mood and the music (!!!)are perfect. He made it feel like a real place whereas the previous movies made it just feel like movies.
June 23, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST
Hermione end up happily ever after. They remind me of Lily and James (Harry's parents) for some reason. I'm sure someone will be deeply offended by this. :)
June 23, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST
by David Lazarus Long
that spoiler is rubbish. I could almost believe Hermione and Hagrid dying, but the whole "oh yea they die and then Harry wins and it's all good". What a bunch of crap. I guarantee this doesn't have a happy ending, not with the progression of OotP and HBP. DEATH DEATH DEATH. My vote goes to Hagrid and HARRY dying, while Neville actually defeats Voldemort as in the prophecy, and Ron and Hermione live happily ever after. Ginny tries to commit suicide, but is left with a curiously lightning bolt shaped scar on her wrist, hence the book ending with the word "scar". <p> Heh, I wouldn't be surprised that if there actually WAS a leak, they let it happen and leaked a bunch of foilers. 'Twould be the smart thing to do, eh?
June 23, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST
that had occurred was the scar. Because everyone lives happily ever after. That's why.
June 23, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST
by David Lazarus Long
EVERYONE WILL DIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE <p> o_o; (goes to take his meds)
June 23, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST
But if Alec Baldwin does the commercials, does that mean he does the collections as well? You're going bring back that movie you little spoiled whore, or I'm gonna come over there and STRAIGHTEN YOUR ASS OUT!!
June 23, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST
Spoiler alert- oh, and Ole Gravy is full of shit.
June 23, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST
But they'll get alot bigger when she turns eighteen. Mysteriously.
June 23, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST
by David Lazarus Long
Turns out Voldemort IS James Potter, Harry can't kill his own father so SNAPE, his HALF BLOOD BROTHER kills him because he couldn't stand the fact that Voldemort/James was sleeping with Dumbledore, and then rapes Harry who decides to elope with Ron (because he's got a bigger wand). Hermione decides to run away with Ginny, and they live as happy lesbian witches forever more. THE END.
June 23, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST
Well, I have a couple of things to say. I agree with you on the fact that Dumbledore might still have something to add in book 7. HOWEVER, it won't be because he is somehow differently dead than any other characters. Death means the same to everyone, even someone as great as Dumbledore. He's definatly not a ghost, we can rule that one out for sure. Jo did say he wasn't going to come back like Gandolf did. He's dead. She put that to rest. Sucks though. I don't know and I'm not going to speculate on which side Snape truly is. He could possible have been horribly angry with Dumbledore and that is why he had hatred etched on his face. That wasn't my point, my point was that he got the killing curse, whether it was a bit different or not doesn't make it any less potent. Fawks can't bring Dumbledore back even with his healing tears. He can only fix living things, not already dead ones. If a Phoenix could do that, then I expect everyone would want to keep one handy just in case. Futhermore even if he was miraculasly saved by Fawks, why would they have entombed him? And you said that Jo isn't famous for having inconsistency but I disagree. She has plenty. One for instance, with the Felix Felicis she says that Slughorn gave Harry 12 hours worth but when he goes to use it he had managed to get 24 hours worth of the potion. I think, yes, in one sense you are right, Dumbledore will still have something to add in book 7. But I think you are wrong with the fact that he isn't completly dead or that he is differently dead than other Wizards. Anyway, LOL, I love debating Harry Potter, don't you? :)
June 23, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
Nice one, gonna have to concede to you there. And the first one did have a bit of charm to it. Gotta admit that Columbus set a template that has worked well and he asembled a great cast. But I somehow wish he had knocked it out of the park. Child performances can be so touching - from 400 Blows to ET to This is England - but somenow the performances in HP1 aren't all that.
June 23, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST
by Evil Hobbit
June 23, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST
I was originally worried that PoA would be confusing to people who didn't know the story, and I was curious to see if my worries were valid. I took a friend to see PoA, and he hadn't yet read any of the books. He not only had zero trouble following the plot, but he successfully extrapolated the identities of Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs just from the clues given in the movie.
June 23, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST
So, that means you'll stop watching them and we won't have to hear from you on the subject again, right?
June 23, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST
Not everything has to be spelled out for you in these movies. Yet, don't go hating on the first two too much. I hated the first one, but if I hadn't seen Chamber, and been completely blown away by it, I would've never read any of the books. Chris Columbus made me a fan.
June 23, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST
when there is a maroon box around the subject that says "spoiler". Was it not there last night when I first read this? I don't remember. If it was there, you people have no right to complain about Quint not giving a spoiler warning.
June 23, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST
June 23, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST
quixote72 posted serious spoilers. If you don't want to know anything about "Deathly Hollows", true or not, don't go into the other talkback. If you're like me, even misinformation will ruin the enjoyment of the story.
June 23, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST
Harry gets raped by Vito and right before the money shot it cuts to black.
June 23, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST
Since yesterday i've been reading or hearing a lot of that Hermione's death and Hagrid sacrifice almost everywhere in the internet so.. i don't know. I think maybe this is all bullshit. Or just another trick to lead us to wrong direction of who dies in the last book. Rumors, rumors.
June 23, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST
I see it like when book 6 came out, and there were all the rumors of :::::::CODED SPOILER::::::::::::-agr-d dying::::::: (in case someone hasn't read book 6)<P> It doesn't make any difference if it's true or not, the whole book is colored with the belief that this character is going to snuff it by the end. So, anyone can call me a geek if they want, but I don't like to hear about a spoiler like that. A spoiler about a movie is a bit different IMHO because there isn't close to the same amount of time invested as in a book.
June 23, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST
by Sir Loin
"...a world parallel to ours..." is exactly what the XANTH books had, even characters that each had unique magic talents. Piers Anthony was robbed, I tell ya.
June 24, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST
The Potter movie series while enjoyable are always going to fall short of the LOTR movies. Unfortunately directors egos were allowed to get in the way.
June 24, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
Director's egos? As if the man who made King Kong doesn't suffer from an overblown ego? Don't get me wrong, Fellowship of the Ring is an amazing, miracle of a movie, but as the series went on it got less about Tolkien and more about Jackson finding things for Orlando Bloom to surf down - staircases, oliphant trunks.
June 24, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST
You're advertising them on your site? Way to go, Ain't It Cool.
June 24, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST
They wanted him to go into pre-production on GOBLET, but he was still working on post-production for AZKABAN. He wasn't going to sacrifice the quality of his film to rush another one into production.
June 24, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
Not only do I agree with you. I also think that if Columbus had continued to direct them, they wouldn't have made it through all seven books. They would have had to stop. Getting Cuaron on board was as good a 'reboot' of the series as Nolan was with Batman. But those Harry Potter Idiot fanboys think that they only good films have to have every single sentence in the book transcribed. I think they should leave here and make their way to the-leaky-cauldron.com or what-the-fuck-ever...
June 24, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST
Cannot agree more - Cuaron's chapter is so head and shoulders above the rest it's not funny, and it completely stands on its own as a great film! Except for the dragon sequence, I found the last one to be a jumbled mess and a big disappointment. I'll come into this one open-minded per the "new guy", but I just hope they didn't hire him simply because he was British. Those Brits get very nationalistic sometimes and Cuaron shows that up - just get the BEST guy. Oh yeah, and Columbus sucks so bad.
June 24, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST
Cuaron added the details and deft touches here and there that lifted Azkaban (the weakest of the books) into the best movie of the series.
June 24, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST
nahh just kidding. i'm with you: the third one is the best so far. The hipogrif's flight was touching really. I felt amazed that night at the cinema.
June 24, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST
His directorial style perfectly matched the pace, look, and tone of the books. It's just a shame they couldn't keep him around for the entire 7 film cycle, and instead had to hand the movies off to the B team. Well, I wouldn't exactly call Cuaron the B team; he's more down on the D or E team.
June 24, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
It's not the weakest of the series. No fucking way. Chamber is def. the weakest. Order is when things finally get going on a grander scale... it's def. the funniest too.
June 24, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST
let's see... the third movie by the far the best... the first two...er...hurt me in my soul... the fifth with yates sounds most promising... bring back cauron to finish or someone new...definitely not that hack colombus. and um... i'm watching this movie june 28th...word.
June 24, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST
The fucked up thing is that guys like R0BE think that Columbus directing all 7 films would have been amazing, because then Hagrid's Hut would have stayed in the same location the entire time, and at the end of the day, isn't that really the most important thing? I liked Columbus' 'Chamber of Secrets,' but I'm glad Cuaron did 'Azkaban.' That movie was amazing from start to finish. I honestly don't understand how anybody could watch that film and go "Boy, I wish Chris Columbus had directed this."
June 24, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST
Has absolutely nothing to do with the supposed darkness of the material. Chamber of Secrets is pretty dark! <p> Curaon was the first to make the world seem lived-in. It seemed like a real place and magical whereas the first two just seemed like typical Hollywood movies with painted on atmosphere and stiff direction. <p> Curaon added something to it atmospherically, no doubt. I also like the Newell film for carrying on in the same vein. This chapter looks to do more of the same. Thank goodness Columbus is out!
June 24, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST
I don't know how you can say it's preferable.
June 24, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST
by David Lazarus Long
They set the tone of the series well, and were fairly respective of the books. But #1) Columbus was DYING at the end of Chamber. He couldn't have done another Potter movie (jesus, or ANY movie) if they paid him with all the gold in the national treasury. Even so, I don't think he could have gotten the same eerie vibe that Azkaban needed. And yes, it's true that the third book is a bit darker than the first two (actually, each book gets progressively darker and deals with more serious subjects- A murderer escaped from prison is trying to kill Harry? Yea, pretty dark.), which is exactly why Colombus would have been a terrible choice. And then there's Goblet, which.. well, unless they split it up into two films was always going to be a fucking trainwreck. There really wasn't much choice. I'm happy the dragons were really cool, that's about it. And Moody was well done, for the most part. <p> Based on the trailers and the fact that OotP is my favorite of the series, I'm damn excited for this. But no, please... Do not bring back Colombus for 7. Unless JK decides to screw off all the shit she set up and turns it into an episode of the Muppet Babies, please GOD don't let Colombus touch it.
June 24, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST
film will be an attempt to make the characters seem overly rebellious or faux cool instead of just themselves. Harry is certainly more rebellious but they basically go against authority in every film, so I hope they don't get ridiculous with it. There is nothing worse than adults trying to make with teen coolness.
June 24, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST
Also, just wanted to reiterate more Curaon fantasy films, please.
June 25, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST
coming back for movie 7, so it's a moot point. I just wish that the damage Cuaron wrought wasn't still lingering over the series for the remaining films. Slick and formulaic better describes PoA than it does the first two films. The books have both light scenes and dark ones. Columbus at least recognized that and modulated his films back and forth between them; whereas both Cuaron and Newell were stuck completely in darker and darkest modes which became incredibly monotonous.
June 25, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST
by just pillow talk
then I hope he does the last movie as well. And, I can't believe I'm saying this, I agree with anchorite. Newell definitely made the best book (in my opinion anyway) the least exciting. That movie needed to be amped up and he made it so dreary and boring.
June 25, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST
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June 25, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST
I absolutely LOVE Children of Men. It's my favorite film of last year. However, Cuaron's is the worst of the Potter flicks. Changing the established setting and feel makes it feel like some other series entirely. Plus - the marauder map backstory is so important, IMHO. Could give two shits about the fuckin' house elf liberation, though.
June 25, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST
June 25, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST
but (their fantastic elements aside) Cuaron's handling of the Boggart class and also the candy scene in the boy's dorm were the most natural, real and funny moments of the whole series as yet.
June 25, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST
June 25, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST
With Harry Potter yelling "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" while on his knees wearing a Death Eaters mask.
June 26, 2007, 4:54 a.m. CST
Rowling herself has said that if you want to know what is most significant in the books, watch the movies. If it' not in the movie, or not significant in the movie, it won't be in the books, either. The maruader's map was just a plot point.
June 27, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST
When I go to see Prince Caspian the sequel to The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe I will expect things to look different, as the novel was set(in Narnia)time over 1000 years after the events of LWW. When I went to see Batman Begins I expected it to be different from the previous movies because it was a reboot to year one. The public did not expect or want a HP year 3 reboot. POA had massive opening weekends around the world (so don't blame the CC movies) but then suffered the worse second week drops than all the other movies. Talking to friends who are not Potter fans and have never read the books, showed the reason for this. They found it too dull dark and colourless, arty and confusing. The classy Colombus Hogwarts had been replaced by a Chavy Cuaron Hogwarts. The least successful HP movie is POA because Cuaron's ego got in the way. Taking into account inflation the two Columbus movies are still the most successful of the first 4 movies. Movie 4 only gets 2nd place due to inflation. Certain snobs may knock CC but he knew what he was doing.
June 27, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
C'mon! Columbus did very good jobs setting up the team who star in and are behind the scenes of the series. But in terms of the directing... the young cast act badly in his hands, and his reverence for the book means his pacing is well-off: that mirror scene in HP1 was SOOO dull in the cinema, and for christ's sake at the climax of the action (the chess scene) he goes into a MONTAGE - totally taking you out of the moment. And, boy, the sentimentality at the end of HP2 - letting everyone off exams, I mean what kind of school is this?! Cuaron gave us poetry, and Newell made us believe they were actually at a school.
June 27, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST
...but that putting in a fully played out chess scene would have improved it?!? Thanks for the laugh. It would have stopped the film's momentum dead in its tracks. Dead as the momentum in POA screeched to a halt every time Harry faced a dementor and the screen faded to black (a prime example of pretentious artsy style choices killing that film, by the way). Even movies about chess made with chess fans specifically in mind such as Searching For Bobby Fischer show the chess matches in montage because the game unfolds way too slowly to be cinematically appealing (and I say that as an avid chess player and chess watcher myself). I think Robe is on to something with his comment about a certain section of movie geeks holding animus towards the first two HP movies simply because Columbus' name is on them and not because of anything actually on the screen. I would add that the converse also seems be true with regards for POA. A certain section of movie geeks (often, though not entirely, overlapping with the same section who loathe Columbus) are so enamored with Cuaron's other film's that they automatically regard his to be the best HP movie, regardless of what he actually filmed. The AICN talkbacks stand as a testiment to this.
June 27, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST
...that Yates is now running around giving interviews saying he was trying to make the movie darker and more full of emotional angst than the previous films. As if the two films preceding his didn't suffer greviously from a massive overdose of them to begin with.
June 27, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST
Complete with loud obtrusive Jazz song. I'll give you that the boys' candy scene was more or less natural (and charming even), but it was basically a throw away lasting less than 90 seconds and irrelevent to the rest of the movie. Not to mention, that the convoluted tracking shot that opens the scene makes it seem like just a big visual stunt.
June 27, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST
You know, some people actually try to avoid spoilers. Regardless of the validity of the spoilers you posted, you are an *sshole for posting them, and just remember one thing: karma's a b*tch.
June 28, 2007, 3:30 a.m. CST
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Cia kas nors sneka lietuviskai?
June 28, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST
June 29, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST
by Automaton Overlord
Anyone who gives a flying fu'gun-shot about these stories, and has not found the time in the last ten years to read the books has spoiled it for themselves. Any Mr. Falcon Bozo who expects to not hear people talk about the most celebrated, multi-generational-fanbased, awards-out-the-wazoo, best-selling, international phenomenon, should be embarased to be in the AICN talk backs. SPOILER WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sue-Elen shot J.R. -Automaton Overlord has spoken
June 29, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
...I'm saying that they should have cleverly figured out SOMETHING BETTER than either a montage (which ruins pacing in the climax of a blockbuster) or playing out a full chess game (clearly that would be boring too). But they were so beholden to the source material, that they didn't. I'm genuinely not being snobby about Colombus' name, but I do think that while he set lots of great things up, his tone gets horribly saccharine, which it doesn't with Cuaron and Newell. (The ends of the two Columbus films make me want to puke. The whole reveal of the house prizes, and the re-awarding of point, ugh.) And saccharine is something that surfaces all too often in Columbus-directed films: I give you Mr Doubtfire, Bicentennial Man, and - yes - the Harry Potter films.
June 29, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
Let's remind ourselves of the positive thing he did. 1) He made the muggle world more real - thereby offsetting the magic to greater effect 2) He was the first to film on location in Scotland, which made Hogwards a much more tangible place 3) He got one of the best John Williams scored of the last 10 years, blending, as he says, jazz, baroque and modern, and somehow making it all cohesive 4) He stepped up the visual effects bigtime: Buckbeak is a miracle 5) He made the kids really inhabit their characters, from their performances to their casual clothes - it stopped feeling like a St Trinians film 6) He got a real sense of loss in there - establishing the fact that Harry is carrying an terrible burden 7) there are moments of real beauty and lyricism - for example the sequencs where the seasons change 8) he actually made Quiddich look like a real sport, rather than a horrible bluescreen demo 9) maybe most important, all the above combined to achieve a sense of genuine magic. HE GOT THE TONE RIGHT. The one minus point is that Cuaron's film doesn't exactly boast breakneck pacing, although I don't see him making any mistakes, in the way that Columbus did. But, you know, don't trust me, just look at the conversation between Cuaron and Rowling on the DVD extras - she's clearly DELIGHTED with the film he made.
June 29, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
OK, this isn't an all-out-attack, I promise, but I hate this criticism of yours, ExcaliburFfolks. What exactly is 'artsy' or 'pretentious' about a fade-to-black when a character passes out? Seems to me like pretty standard film-making grammar. And may I just say that my niece who is 7 absolutely LOVES Cuaron's film. There's no sense of artsyness getting in the way of a kid's enjoyment of the story. Peace.
June 29, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST
I think it worked fine and didn't hurt the pacing at all. My only complaint about that part of the first film was that they skipped the troll and potions challenges, which left the Philosopher's Stone seem a bit underguarded. As for the saccharine - it's in the books. It's part of what makes them such charming kids stories. Harry and friends save the day, and they win the House Cup, too. Wraps each year up rather nicely, just as the opening scenes with Harry's Aunt and Uncle start them off each time around. Not everything has to be cold, bleak, jaded, and dark even if that's what's considered cool and edgy these days. One of the reason's Columbus was such a good match for this material is their mutual saccharine factor.
June 29, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST
I consider that term to apply whenever the technique used to film or edit a scene overwhelms the content of the scene. If you are watching a movie and a scene gets you thinking, "Wow, I can't believe what the director did there!", then you've just entered pretentious artsy territory. Similarly, if you are watching a film and the way a scene is composed keeps distracting you from watching what's going on in the scene, then you've just entered pretentious artsy territory (either that, or you are watching a movie made by an incompetent director, but since Cuaron isn't incompetent that doesn't apply here). Good films are supposed to suck you in, enthrall you for a few hours, and tell a story without reminding you that everything on-screen is pre-planned and orchestrated. Cuaron, in the four films of his I've seen, has a consistent bad habit of doing unnecessary visual flourishes that completely spoil moments by knocking the viewer out of the movie (Baz Luhrmann is spectacularly bad in this regard too, incidentally). Take the dementor scenes from POA. Cuaron does a fine job setting up each of Harry's encounters with the dementors, building an appropriate sense of impending danger and dread; but then squanders all of it with a screech to a halt fade to black and resume after all the action is over. What a gyp. Instead of doing the sensible thing and leaving the camera rolling straight on through, we get a scene with the best stuff cut out of the middle and the climax replaced with a fancy iris closing. Why? Because the director apparently wanted to be cute. It contributes nothing to the scene beyond slapping you upside the head with the director's use of technique. By Harry's third or fourth encounter with dementors in the film, during the build up in anticipation of the pointless black outs I started catching myself thinking, "Good God, please no, not again." Iris shot close fade to black.
June 29, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST
...talent. Though he needs to realize that directing consists of way more than camera movement, cinematography, and art design. If he can ever learn to reign in his natural urge for artist flourish at the expense of pacing and plot, then he'll probably start making some truly great films.
June 30, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST
Columbus knows how to make better family movies, while Cuaron aims more at the arthouse snob. As for Cuaron being more realistic, yes if he was doing a story set in a modern trendy school. Hogwarts is based on a very old-fashioned and classy school. When Columbus did his movies he went to real old Public (US Private) schools an based Hogwarts on them. Cuaron simply saw how pupils at ordinary modern schools dressed in the street and reimagined Hogwarts as them. Sorry but he got the wrong schools.
June 30, 2007, 5:18 a.m. CST
Throughout the movie he just did weird things. Look at the shrunken heads? In the books they are owned by dark wizards, yet Cuaron just through them into normal wizard society, we are talking about human remains here folks. He then told the cast to wear their own clothing to look like themselves, excuse me but they are meant to be playing characters. Who ever heard of a bring your own clothes movie? Even when they were in uniform they dressed in such a scruffy and run down manner (during class and school hours)which in real life only a really crap modern comprehensive school would allow, not a distinguished school hundreds of years old. Hogwarts while fiction is meant to be based on the higher end school not the bottom end. Add to this is complete disreguard for past movie continuity and book plot points. The latest director it seems has left out the locket from movie 5 and it seems will recast Tom Riddle jnr for movie 6, okay they need another actor for the 11 year old one but the teenager? No doubt the latest movie will still do well, however as some early reviews seem to show it is a lot less fun than the others and POA takes some beating.
June 30, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
Students have to wear the school uniform during classes, assembly etc, but in free time they can dress in their own clothes. Which I think is what they did in POA. Just wanted to straighten that out.
June 30, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST
by David Lazarus Long
that POA was one of the first movies to feature scenes of students outside of the school, I thought it was nice to see them wearing REAL clothing. Something that, you know... a 15 year old would actually wear in MODERN TIMES. Despite being a "high end" school or whatever, these kids DO live in the real world. I see no problem with outfitting them in things they might actually wear in this century. Then again, I'm usually not paying attention to CLOTHING CHOICES in my WIZARD MOVIE. <p> And whatever, fuck you people. So the guy took a few liberties and made a movie in his own style. I'd prefer it over Cookie Cutter Colombus and his Total Lack of Imagination Squad.
June 30, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST
by David Lazarus Long
Movie snobs calling directors "artsy" snobs is just gold, btw. I KNOW HOW GOOD MOVIES ARE MADE AND YOU JUST THINK YOU KNOW HOW GOOD MOVIES ARE MADE. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE TEH WRONG!
June 30, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST
They wear robes. They are wizards, not normal muggle teens. They would have uniform robes for school and casual robes for out of school. Blue jeans and shirts don't make sense. Wizards are their own sub-culture with their own dress code. It is part of who they are. Take away the robes and they stop being themselves. To use a different example, for instance, if this were a film about say Punk Rockers and the director said forget the bright colored spikey hair cuts, body piercings, heavy leather boots, etc. I'm giving them regular haircuts and the latest fashions from the Gap, it wouldn't make sense right? Eveyrone would cry foul, right? The characters would no longer seem like punk rockers, right? Thgey'd lose a huge chunk of their identity. Well, it's just the same with the wizards in the Harry Potter movies. Take them out of the wizard robes and they sure don't seem like wizards anymore. They seem like any other teen movie, except everyone has wands.
June 30, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST
That was one of the reasons his movies were so much better then POA or GOF.
July 1, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST
than you is no reason to get bitchy. Apparantly we are more observant, too.
July 1, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST
July 1, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST
...movies had the actors using their own clothes, but at least they had the excuse of really, really low production budgets.
July 1, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST
on the 29th. Ironically, most of the things you mention as things Cuaron got right are many of the very same things I think he got majorly wrong. Since this will require some serious space, I'm going to address each point in a seperate post. (By the way: No, I don't consider what we are doing here as attacking each other. We are merely having an in depth discussion about the movies. None of this is personal.)
July 2, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST
... as usual ExcaliburFfolkes. "Wizards are their own sub-culture with their own dress code. " When wizards do adopt a muggle item it is usually something old-fashioned. So we have the Hogwarts Express an old-fashioned steam train or the Ministry of Magic using the old Red Telephone Box not the modern ones as their secret entrance. Cuaron seemed to totally miss the point. The UK childrens cover to the 7th book even has the trio in robes, Harry in black but Ron and Hermione in what look like non school robes. You always get somebody saying that is how modern school pupils dress but they are not attending a modern school. This is a school that still uses quills.