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Capone Embraces A MIGHTY HEART!!
Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here. I
t's only June, and we've already got the year's first true Oscar contender, which I guess is my roundabout way of declaring A MIGHTY HEART one of the best films I've seen all year. I'll begin this discussion with a confession: shortly after the shocking video of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl's death was put out on the Internet in early 2002, I sought it out and watched it. In this day and age, I guess that confession isn't particularly scandalous, and I'm sure many of you did the same. Execution videos are all over the Internet, and (be honest) most of you probably took a peek at Saddam Hussein's hanging video, both versions. But the Daniel Pearl footage, at the time, was an event most American's had never seen anything like. And if you did view it and you're like me, you'll probably never want to see anything like it again. For months, maybe even years, after seeing it, my mind replayed the thing behind my eyes. As a result of this, I wanted to know as much about how Pearl found himself in that situation.
A MIGHTY HEART is a startlingly powerful telling of the events leading up to, during, and shortly after his kidnapping and awful murder, as seen through the eyes of his six-months-pregnant wife Mariane (played by Angelina Jolie, in a career-defining portrayal) and the swarm of investigators, government officials, friends and coworkers who gathered in her rented home in Pakistan in the hopes of finding Daniel (Dan Futterman) before his fate was sealed. Much as director Paul Greengrass did with his UNITED 92, Michael Winterbottom (THE CLAIM, ROAD TO GUANTANAMO) does a remarkable job shaping his story and building an insurmountable level of tension with a story we know does not end well. Wisely, Winterbottom doesn't show Daniel in any situation that can't be absolutely confirmed by witness accounts. In other words, there is no speculation in the screenplay about what happened to him during his time with his kidnappers (other than the handful of photos and videos that were released during his captivity). Guessing isn't part of the film's story, and us not knowing exactly what's happening to Danny all the more awful.
But A MIGHTY HEART is more about the controlled chaos that surrounded Mariane, whose strength, control, and clear thinking is almost inhuman. But my guess is that Mariane Pearl, who was also a journalist, knew how to handle herself in a crisis. I've seen hours of footage of Mariane, so I know exactly what she looks and sounds like, and the way Jolie inhabits this passionate, lovely woman is extraordinary. It's more than just her hair, accent, and slightly darker skin tone, Jolie becomes Mariane as a pillar of strength and stability that crumbles only slightly in front of others, and only slightly more when she's alone.
As a straight procedural thriller, A MIGHTY HEART works equally well, with U.S. and Pakistani officials desperately using every possible source to locate Daniel. There's a recurring image in this film of a massive and messy flow chart that tracks Pearl's whereabouts and connections leading up to his disappearance. He was investigating shoe-bomber Richard Reid's connections to terrorist groups in the area when he was snatched, and during the course of the film, the chart that connects the two men grows and expands to ridiculous extremes. Not only is the handling of the investigation quite authentic, but the frustration with bad information and dead-end leads is also perfectly captured.
A MIGHTY HEART may not made you cry (in many ways, Mariane's reserve rubs off on the audience), but it will move you and inject itself into your heart and mind in ways that, for me, have replaced those awful images of Daniel Pearl's execution. Seeing the couple at their wedding and just being so clearly in love is something else the film graces us with, not so much to soften the blow but to remind us that this is a film about a wife losing her husband and a baby boy who never got to know his father. Winterbottom does what he has always done so beautifully in films like GUANTANAMO and IN THIS WORLD, which is to take a situation that has impacted so many (more than 200 journalists have been killed since Pearl) and boil it down to one devastating story. I'll say it again: this is one of the year's best films.
Capone
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Something feels a bit off about it.
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Um...it's United 93, Capone.
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I appreciate this thoughtful review. It appears that every mainstream critic has dwelled so much on Angelina's baggage, and even if they have appreciation for the performance, they seem unable to talk about her role and the film with going into detail about the "distraction" of her life as a celebrity. Who gives a shit? Is this how all of Elizabeth Taylor's films were reviewed? It's nice that someone who works for a movie website is able to leave that baggage at the door and allow themselves to go on the journey with the filmmakers. Jolie has always showed a natural talent, and while she's done a lot of garbage, it's not surprising that she could disappear into a role like this. Hopefully more people will give it a chance and not feel like they're supporting some kind of gossip-fodder.
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... sounds very good. Definitely see this.
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Right? Because he's American and we are SO MEAN to those Muslims! All we care about is OIL and STUFF. Those evil RepubliKKKans and BUSHITLER are the cause of all the world's problems and we need to just STOP FIGHTING THESE FREEDOM FIGHTERS AND THEN WE CAN ALL LIVE IN PEACE. YAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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I mean, let's just talk about Robots, Hot Chicks, and Crank. That serious political and religious shit has NOW PLACE in here. Oh wait, this is film about Islamic Terrorists who cut the head off a Jewish American reporter? Never mind. Countdown to liberal moonbat ranting about Bush, Neocons, and oil in ..3....2....1
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PG PLEASE.
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throats. Its like bono. I know they are keeping inportant stuff in the public eye and what is happening in Darfur is an outrage. But lets not forget. Who is behind darfur. Al-qaeda. Bin laden has used Sub-saharan africa to recruit people to whabai cause. They are also in algeria. Bono said this about Climate Change. The only people who are concerned about climate change are those people that have beach front properties. Who was referring to those idiots taking part in Live Earth. Where is the live Earth for people with Learning Difficulties.
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You know, ordinarily, I wouldn't even give a thought to watching any of these videos. But when things started happening and the press was giving so much time to these executions, curiosity gets the better of some people. I know that I saw the videos of Pearl and Nick Berg on consumption junction, and I think the choice to watch those videos was the worst choice I've ever made. Some days, when either of those names pops back up in the media, I can't seem to get Berg's screams out of my head; I can't get over the droning of the "Allahu Akbar" that these men chant while they're doing this despicable act; I can't get over the expressionless faces of the deceased... I just can't really forgive myself for watching these videos. A lot of people were curious to see what happened, and for me, it's extremely scarring. I probably won't be watching "A Mighty Heart" anytime soon, but God bless you if you do.
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and is very active with Clooney on Darfur. Pitt and his wife are very poltical people within the UN. What his happening darfur is an outrage. I didnt like Babel. Which pitt made and I think he produced. I could be wrong. Pitt doesnt do any interviews. Jolies Lawyer pissed off the entire media asking them to sign a gagging document to prevent them from asking questions about jolie private. they refused. The press confrence ended amid much fury from the press. I dont like pitt. He come across as an arrogant jerk even on screen these day. He cant act. I didnt like babel. I think actors should keep out things they dont understand , complex world events. Sub Saharan africa is a hot bed for al-qaeda. Pitt and company shou steer well clear.
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the minute he savaged the bush admins. war or terror, he was cut off. His son was cought up bush Jnr's blunderous invasion in Iraq but he was allowed criticise his own govt.
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...for the people who have been murdered in this awful way is when asshole conspiracy theory freaks (like scumsucking talkbacker GingerTwit) claim that the beheadings "were faked" by Americans because in the footage the hands holding the knives were "too white" to be middle eastern.
These ghouls will actually refuse to acknowledge the victims' cruel fates in order to promote their own political agenda.
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I definitely didn't trawl the internet to watch another human being die.
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Jun 22, 2007 4:34:52 PM CDT
Yow, what happened to your grammar? And it's United 93!
by iamjack'suserid
I assume you rushed this review? The movie may not made you cry?
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Huh? That kid was there all on his own. He was had previous connections to Al Quackers, as was seen carrying around a koran. He was over there trying to help set some communication towers, he had nothing to with the Army or Marines. I guess the two people from America who were killed in Yemen in 1999 trying to set up a safe supply of drinking water for the locals were caught up in evil american ant-islam hysteria as well, huh
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if actors should stay out of international affairs because they supposedly are incapable of grasping such complex issues, then are you somehow more qualified? what kind of goddam retard are you?
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One of the best books so far of the 21st century. A soon to be classic, if it isn't already.
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jolie
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Come on.
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To understand full well the implications of watching an execution video, and who avoids even the thought of doing so, rather than rushing to a computer like some semi-retard...
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Save Darfur, that's what Clooney and the rest of hollywood crowd and Bono tell us. Save it from what? Bad weather? Why are they such friggin pansy they can't come out and say who is causing all the suffer, and who stands ready to use any UN intervention as propaganda to proof the west is at war with Islam? That is like saying "I want to stop people from driving crazy all over the road and killing people" without mention that they are drunk. Yep, Mother Against Bad Drivers For Some Reason, is what they will call the group.
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I don't know if you remember but you made a guest appearance in the hannibal talkback from january and I remember rapping with you and dick nicely and JJonz.anyway, I wanted to respond to your comments because you make a good point...we can't upset the umma (islamic community) or else they'll blow us up, nuke us, set us on fire, etc. additionally, I wonder if any Jewish orgs will come out to support his wife considering Zarqawi lobbed Danny's head off because he's a Hebrew?SPEAKING OF WHICH...NEXT POST...
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Question for you, or my ol' pal Mori, or even Harry...If Hollywood is indeed run in the majority by Jewish folks and all Jewish folks have a devotion to support the existence and defense of Israel how come most Jews are big Democrats despite the fact that all Democrats don't support Israel (save Lieberman) or its defense or its existence or its right to destroy its enemies (iran, syria, etc)?
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I agree with you 100% in your stance. however, I once saw a video of a jihadi kneeling down in the middle of a baghdad street with an rpg as his mujahideen brothers yelped "allahu akbar" in the background and some army sniper shot the guy to all hell as he was about to fire off his weapon. he collapsed like a wet napkin on the floor BUT lemme tell ya it was HILARIOUS and filled me with pride. this is an exact opposite response that I normally have to watching people die and I have NO desire to watch anything named "faces of death" or poor sap danny pearl getting his head cut off. neither or any interest me.
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That's not as bad as saying, " the events of 9/10," but still...
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Don't watch execution videos.
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but I did watch the Nick Berg video. It's sad when you think about how much our side's bad acts (Abu Ghraib and other accusations of torture) get publicized yet the media blacks out just about every bad act that our enemies commit. By that I mean that while it was fairly easy at the time to find Abu Ghraib pictures on any big media site, one had to search for the Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg videos. It's almost as if our enemies are rewarded for their sheer brutality.
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It was good, I suppose. But it came off as just a straightforward retelling of these events. I didn't necessarily learn anything here. I'm sure that was the filmmakers intent, but I just don't want to see this kind of stuff. I never really thought the 9/11 and terrorism stuff really bothered me too much, but I guess it has. I've purposely avoided United 93 and World Trade Center, and I saw this against my will. I'm just not interested in watching a dramatization of a horrible event that I've already read about. The acting was good and the editing and pacing were tight, but I really just don't understand why anyone would rush out to see a movie like this. Then again, I'm fucking retarded, so who knows.
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was Jolie's accent is not very convincing. Perhaps you can buy it once you get into the story. I am also against watching the death videos.
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In regards to Darfur, both groups are Muslim. The government and militias committing the genocide are Arab Muslim while the rebels/refugees are Black Muslims. This is a dispute going back a long way. At one point the Black Muslims were in control and oversaw the Arab Muslims in regards to water rights.
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And I ain't gonna lie; it didn't faze me one bit.
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...Amen, brothers. People who routinely seek out videos like that or claim that it's either a natural thing to do or that it "didn't faze" them one bit once they saw them are -- without exception -- mentally disturbed, mouthbreathing shitheads.
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If you ever heard the real Ms. Pearl speak , then you would know that Jolie sounds almost EXACTLY like her in this movie.
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They leave you physically shaken, and after enough viewings of the different material out there, eventually numb to the various horrors of the world. The condemnation of those who seek them out by some posters here is bizare. Wilful ignorance is something to be celebrated now?
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Wilful ignorance? You do realize that you call it that in a post where you clearly state viewing the videos makes you "numb to the various horrors of the world."
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described one of these beheadings. He knows one or two security experts who told him what happened. there arent enoungh words really to describe it. Horrendous. I cant even go into it it is disgusting. I have no wish to see a video of Margaret Hussein's beheading. Barbarism. The only thing I will say is that people like bono and Clooney and pitt is they should tread very carefully. I can see that during their next tour and especially Bullet the blue sky, bono will walk around stadiums/arena draped in the Sudanese flag. He has done that before and it makes look stupid. This is one of those situations where you cannot come down on a side, without there being so sort of backlash if another incident takes place on amaerican soil. If the US govt moves prisoners from Gitmo to say kansas. and something happens, then the next time U2 play america, they wont be very welcome.
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What you say is true. But there are also Black Christian churches and school that have been bombed and shell. The arab muslim gov. get the guns, planes, and helicopters to do this from China, who is heavly invested in their oil production. How come the peace first crowd in the US never brings that up? I wonder what would happen in China if some of their people went and protested in from their gov. buildings? They would get beateb down like a rented mule, that's what would happen.
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Not the terrorists.
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Explain that one. Oh wait...wasnt pearl on to the fact that the pakistanis, created al-qaeda and he found out and was executed. I have heard that one before. or it may well that he was going to expose, a big contract between the saudis and the US. We all know that some of the bush cabinet were oil execs. Cheney in particular. The bush family themselves have lonstanding connections with the House of Saud.
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And the Iraq insurgents are just Republican campaign supporters.
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Twin Towers maybe?
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should i see it? nah
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is really about imperialism. the people that surround bush are imperialists. It is in fact about a new kind of imperialism. listen to condi rice and you will hear the tones of an evangelical chrisitian. She was at it last year when she went to go to isreal for talks with Abbas and Olmert and she said she wanted to bring american principles to the middle east. That was code for Evangelical christianity. You cant emforce that by bombing people into submission. I live in Ireland and i have seen what the british did in Northern Ireland. I dont go along with whole Iraq is vietnam, it bears all to canny as resemblemence to Northern Ireland. Two bigoted sides cutting each other to ribbons on a daily basis. I lived through the worst. You should have seen the news. Guess who is running running NI. Paisley and McGuinness. These are the two acceptable faces of bigotry and sectarianism in NI. This is americas Northern Ireland. and I cannot believe that tony blair of all people and the uk govt havent learned a damn thing after 30 bloodshed filled years. This will be with america for the next 30 years. People will get tired of it eventually. When al-qaeda flew those plains into the twin towers it said the same thing that the Ira said to the british. You came into our countries unwelcomed, occupied our land, killed our people. because you know force, force is the only way to rid you from our land. All warped, but that is terrorist scum for you. One warning. Do not stay silent about any deal which in volves the release of prisoners. Of all aspects of the Belfast agreement that was the most repellent thing the british did.Murderers pyshcos robbers, grannie beaters, when going to jail could argue that their terms come under the good friday agreement and out they go. in short it meant that murder meant nothing.
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he will use the Belfast Agreement as a tempplate. Under that deal priosners were released. But if they went back to prisoner they got reduced jail time. Under the terms of the belfast agreement.
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I think by principals she was talking about Democracy, which isn't exclusive to Christianity. India has been large successful democracy for a while, and they are mostly Hindu.
Strangely enough they too have some problems with pesky Islamic terrorists, doing things like blowing up the "friendship express" train to pakistan (twice) and storming government buidlings and gunning down people mid-session. If 9/11 was a response to "Bush Imperialism" the islamic terrorists must have some type of time machine or muslim clairvoyant, since they themsevles said the attack took almost 5 years to plan, plus the fact the tried to blow up the Twin Towers once before in 1992. Now that is some special psychic powers those people have! And Osma's number one butt-boy has been preaching about his islamic uber-state that will run from India to Spain since the mid-90's, and his dream state will also include Thailand and the Philippines, which are majority muslim, and must suck for them. " Oh Danny Boy....." -
I meant to say "Thailand and the Philippines, which are NOT majority muslim, and must suck for them>" Sorry its tough to type with this chick head's bobbing up and down. Carry On!
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And Cancer, and global warming, and A.I.D.S., and Virgina Tech, and those annoying Head On commercials.
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Daniel Pearl's SLAUGHTER was an ATROCITY, and if we were the nation liberals and the kook left wing blogosphere fringe say we were, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because the middle east would be a highly radioactive parking lot by now. We are the good guys, no matter how these scumbags on the left want to spin it.
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Jun 23, 2007 11:43:11 AM CDT
uss cygnus, put the pipe down, Crack hurts everyone.
by evilwizardglick
No need to reply to your shit for brains answer.
Rumor had it this movie SUCKED big time.
And the whole fiasco of excluding the press, even if it is FOX, from a movie about freedom of the press has a nasty taint to it.
It's almost as if Bushco was running the publicity.
My BIG question is when do we see the movie about the horrendous CLUSTER bombing of Lebanon? Or the crushed to death story or Rachel Corey? Or Israel using human shields?
Fucking Zionist propaganda like Real Time has turned into.
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Do the work before posting inane comments.
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CHRISTAINS!!!!!!! And Bush is responsible for them all!
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That is joke right? They are fighting people who attacked and killed people in a UN run school for poor kids in Gaza because it wasn't "Islamic Enough"? Hamas did a drive by shooting and killed a Fatah member's 4 children...on purpose. And these are their own people that they are killing for what ever fucking reason the come up with. And "EvilWizardGlick" what fucking point are trying to make? That the things Kamala mentioned didn't happen? I read them myself, the AP and CNN found fit to only show it for few hours before the buried it under the trial the gripped America like no other, the Scooter Libby case. Yeah every one was on pins and needles over that case, just like O.J.
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and i know nothing about this movie, but from the stupid picture i see of angelina jolie and the stupid title that almost reflects what were supposed to be made to think about her in real life, i think this movie is a decroded piece of crap. you're not gonna manipulate my emotions you skanky home wrecking child adopter.
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wheres the cool, this movie better have graphic war scenes and evil columbian prostitution lords
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Starring Harry Knowles.
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They showed the whole thing on TV. How's that for bad news over breakfast. We were all shell-shocked, some of the girls didn't want to leave their hotel rooms and we were given an armed escort to work for the following week. I think, when these things happen, it is marginally more excusable to allow morbid curiosity to overcome you (re. tracking down the footage), but I would agree that anybody who casually looks for this stuff later on should look at titties instead. Much more healthy.
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You've been reading the "Left Behind" series again, BSB?
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And Jesus was a carpenter in the wrong place at the wrong time.Works for me.
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Our economy is worth billions. Most of our money comes from Europe. 10 years ago. Ireland was 90% catholic and in very short time, the coutry has changed beyond all recognition. We are multicultural. But if we cant let loyalists march peacful down the centre of the city, wihout there being a riot, then that multi-cultural thing is a load of nonsense. One thing that is changing and for the better. Is Ireland's relationship to drink. When the list of people who have died while drink driving is the only item on the news, you have a problem. WE love our concerts, and Ireland is a wash with festivals, these days. up and down the country. Last week there were stories of people being urinated and At least one person who was vomited on but I cant remember where that was. Last week, I heard that I guy was snorting Coke, in croker , during the dublin match. Nothern Ireland has faded away. And there is a peace of sorts. The place is one big construction site. Ireland used to be a haven for stag nights and hen does from England. WE are building stadiums to rival the world. and are building a first class Sports Academy, in a place called abbottstown. And all through ireland. All the major captials will have elected mayors. And for the first time in 25 years the greens have a place in political life. life couldnt be better, right, wrong...Our transport system is a joke. Our health system is at best dickenisian, Union threaten Strike action constanly, our schools are rat-infested, parents who have autistic children have to go to court to get noticed and they often loose and are left with huge legal bills. Whilst many others are on waiting lists. then there are the long running and never ending tribunals. Dublin is getting a 120 million state of the art court. all the capitals will get there own IFSC(international service centre). Whatever you have heard about Ireland about the welcomes, that is all true. but if you say top of the morning to you. You will be shocked, when you enter an Irish Hotel and you will be an indian, or pakistani, or chinese. 20years if St james gate had closed and moved to another part of dublin. There would have been. outrage. but with our antipathy to drink increasing, no one cares. Mcdowell who was the deputy leader of the country resigned after voters threw him of elected poltics three weeks ago. He had a great idea, to turn Ireland into a cafe bar society. The viniters saw to that. his dream was destroyed. Finally, Read Niall Ferguson. He is the author of three books. War of the World is latest. Another one is about american imperialism, from world war two to the present day. I am off to watch dr who and the rise and fall of blair..
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... He was like, "Dudez a new format of FLIKZ iz cumin out!!! I can't wait ta see 'Independence Day' in BLU RAYYYYYYYYY"**************Then the terrorist was like, "... < < .... lol dude IDC ur ded, cya dude rofl" AND CUT THE FUCKIN HEAD STRAIGHT OFF
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I wanted to say how much it sucked.
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Perhaps it is knowing that is not Jolie's real accent, but there is something off about it.
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Wow that may be the most pathetic argument I have ever seen on AICN, and that is some achievement...
Not seeking out videos of people's execution is not willful ignorance. I also don't seek out videos of people vomiting into each others mouths, is that willful ignorance?
Seriously, no one can possibly experience everything that can possibly be experienced, so life is made up of choices of what we explore and what we don't, and in those choices we reveal who we are as human beings. And call me old fashioned, but I think the people making a conscious decision to avoid death videos are probably the better human beings...
Oh, and out of interest, Tourist, what exactly do you think you learned from watching a man get his head cut-off? You see I am ignorant, probably from my lack of watching things that disgust me by their mere concept, so please enlighten me, what did you learn? Cartainly not how to actually spell 'Willful' that is for sure, dickwad... -
Really, if he was the most powerful being in the universe next to God, don't you think he would have used some of that Satanic Mojo for higher ratings in public polls? No, the ant-christ is supposed to be some charming and slick, and seen as a peace maker at first. That leads to only one place...George Fucking Clooney!
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Over and over and over again.
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To never see. I don't like people trying to ram their political agenda's down my throat, I don't appreciate tv commercials telling me how important and Oscar worthy a movie that isn't even out yet is. Pretentious crap by the supremely pretentious Angelina Jolie who has yet to make a good movie. I don't want to see Faces of Death in wacko Muslim land either. Politically the thugs who killed the reporters mostly horrified their own people, proved what thugs and barbarians they are, are mostly caught now and there are fewer left wing reporters willing to go over there to make them look good in the Western press. All that and the UN ambassador to the Larry King Show - Angeli Jolie still has yet to make a watchable movie.
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I learned that my initial reaction to seeing someone brutally murdered for religious propoganda wasn't shock and horror (that comes later) but incredible anger. You know, the "Nuke em all" sort of response. It also makes you reflect more deeply on your own inevitable death, and how you will face it. Grim resignation? Lots of screaming and pleading? I frankly do find it strange that people would not be curious in seeing someone die, since were all headed in the same direction. Also, I dislike people condemning acts, or calling for military actions, without witnessing the results. Be it cowardly Americans who don't want to see their soldiers coffins draped in flags, or Islam radicals or extreme leftists who wont watch a video of what some of these insurgents are up to.
That said, as horrible as the Daniel Pearl video is, it wasn't like anyone paid for it's production, or demanded it's release. It was out there floating about. Now, Winterbottom and his studio on the other hand, stand to make a tidy profit and pick up some accolades and give Jolie some magazine exposure on the back of his murder. Oh, and you don't have to worry about seeing Margret Hassan beheaded, dude further up, because she wasn't. -
I am an individual who is curious as to what violent death looks like. The same way kids poke dead cats. Because I wonder if it will happen to me. Not a tabloid rag or news show that sells advertising space based on snippets from these propoganda videos. I would rather people see the mess that their fanatacism brings about up close too. If anything, this mentallity of sticking your head in the sand and ignoring all that is ugly and sad just might just turn you into a self righteous dick. Sure, exposing yourself to such material might make you jaded and depressed, but with a better understanding of what life is about.
Oh, and if you think people looking up islamofacist propoganda vid's is offensive, just wait till the loose change assholes get ahold of them and start spamming them across the world for their own warped shits and giggles. -
What do the anti video watching folks here make of Documentaries like The Civil War by Ken Burns or The Simon Wiesenthal Center? Horrific imagery is only permissable in the context of a museum, lecture or educational video? Is that because you can't trust a rational adult to have the "Correct" thoughts about the images they are viewing? Do you honestly think Capone was getting his rocks off while watching the pearl video? Sure, there might be the odd freak who finds it a masturbatory tool, like those Nazi fetishists, but I think most people seek them out of curiosity, and find them upsetting.
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The movie was fantastic , yet no one besides us will go to see it..it made around 1.9 million on friday as compared to the 12 million or so that Evan Almighty made.
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and also, where in the country, you will be staying.
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The two main universities in Dublin: Trinty College Dublin and UCD.
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Dublin where in the country, you will be staying.
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You are answering rationally so I withdraw the dickwad comment...
But seriously, how old are you, and that isn't an insult, I mean are you 18? 20? 25? Not watching a beheading video is not burying your head in the sand, that is an insane argument, that assumes you have to visually experience anything to understand it, and that somehow having voyeuristically done so we somehow are more knowledgeable on the matter than we were before... I have a rare heart defect that means I can drop dead at any second, without warning. Nothing I can do about it. That taught me a lot more about death than watching a 24 hour marathon of faces of death ever could. You however could watch a video of me collapsing and you won't have learned anything.
If your argument is you learn about how you yourself react to that imagery, then it surprises me that so many people do not understand themselves well enough to know this stuff instinctively. I could go on about the creation of a nation of emotionally stunted people unable to comprehend anything because of a flawed educationally system and a society that has developed to the point they don't truly experience the basic concepts such as pain, cold, hunger, fear etc that helped shape each generation before it, but that would be pretentious, so instead I will agree that Dr. Gonzo is a romantic... -
Well, she is.
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Only the spawn of Satan would still get movie roles after starring in the uber-train wreck "Batman and Robin" More proof for the skeptical mind.
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Fuckin' hilarious, dude. Haven't laughed that hard in weeks.
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My adopted parents beat the living shit out of me growing up. My sister was beaten by my parents and raped and molested by family members.
Let me tell you something. You will never understand what we went thru because you saw a video of it. Never. And I think you are pretty spoiled and immature and hopefully just young if you think you could understand suffering better by witnessing a video of it. You're wrong.
I would be fucking pissed as fucking shit if people watched a video of me being beaten unless it was in court and it meant my parents went to jail. I KNOW my sister would be even more scarred for life if people watched a video of her getting a hand job at christmas from grampa while he tells the story of baby jesus to the whole family while she sits on his lap... age 6-7 and scared as shit. Or the times she was sodomized by her biological brothers and sisters while at family visits while looking down thru the vent and seeing the case worker chatting away with her biological parents as her brothers tell her they will kill her if she makes a sound.
I will tell you this... as someone who lived suffering. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Daniel Pearl and those other people you watched die... those are real people who's lives are over and who died a terrifying death. Out of simple respect for the loss of their lives... have the decency to settle for hearing about it but not watching it for your own personal edification... if that's what you think it is. Daniel Pearl would sure as fuck not want to know that millions of curious people watched him beheaded and walked away thinking anything but 'what the fuck is wrong with this world and why the fuck did i watch that'.
Murder is something that nobody should ever witness, period. As is physical abuse and sexual abuse. But sure as fucking hell... don't think you know anything about it unless you lived it. You don't know shit. I'm not trying to be too hard on you. But I'm still messed up in ways from my childhood and I'm 33 and have a great life with a dream wife and dream job and I still... it's fucked up man. It's fucked up and you don't need to do anything but listen and sympathise and stand up for the defenseless when you can.
Personally... I heard about the beheading... I was at work and someone told me about it and it fucked me up for days just hearing a little bit about it. I remember what it was like to be scared shitless and trapped and just suffer pain. To be past the point where you even beg them to stop anymore. And I was a kid who never knew it wasn't that way for anyone else until I was an adult. And it gutted of me to hear about Daniel Pearl being beheaded. I remember my own screams and my siblings and let me tell you... if you stumbled upon it, it's one thing, but to think you know anything because you watched and to think other people should... dude, you don't understand suffering at all or you'd never think that way in a million years.
Unless maybe you know it too well, like a friend of mine who watched the Faces of Death videos... he was abused as a kid too and it fucked him up and numbed him... he thought he could handle the videos... but years later... when he wasn't so fucked up anymore... when he had his own kids... he would do anything to have not watched those videos. I have a feeling... some day you'll feel the same way. Whether you are just immature or numbed by your own trauma... you'll change your mind and wish you could take those memories back. That's what I think. You're not a bad person, but I hope you either grow up or get better. -
That's a pretty powerful post there. I'll venture to say that I think we Talkbackers occasionaly forget or lose sight of the fact that there are real people behind the screennames we see on this site. So, I think your post (which seems quite sincere) serves as a not too gentle reminder of that fact.I just wanted to express some sort of thanks to you for your openness and candor. Be well and regards.
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The movie studio should pay ME twelve bucks to get bummed out. If I want to get depressed and feel helplessly angry, I'll just go see Pirates Of The Caribbean 3 again.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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There's really nothing I can add to what antonphd and Alonzo posted regarding your rationale behind watching the vids and what you think you're achieving by it.
I will say this, however: you're calling the rest of us "willfully ignorant" for not watching the vids as if you know something more about death than the rest of us, which is just self-aggrandizing bullshit on your part - a way to justify your own fetid, detached curiosity.
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I'm 25. Fairly typical rural/suburban upbringing. Never exposed to any real violence outside of your typical inner city crime (junkies, the odd stabbing, drunks hit by cars) but nothing life threatening. I also think part of the cause of this so called emotionally stunted generation is a removal from this sort of material. People are aware, more so than before of violence, but also far removed from it. People in the cinema I was at were audibly gagging during the conclusion of fast food nation. I don't really have a problem with people choosing not to watch this material, or finding those that do sick. I just dislike condescending people making assumptions about what people are thinking when watching this shit, or somehow pretending to be an enlightened or elevated human being because they chose not to watch it.
Oh and for antonphd, I had similar issues as a child for a period of a year, but it doesn't define who I am. Betting on wether I feel the same way as your friend is also a moot point, because I already do feel that way. I carry alot of disgust at the world with me, and I'm not even sure, day to day, that I want to be part of it, and certainly could not bear having children brought into it. Wether or not I would feel worse that someone witnessed my last sad moments of life and got a kick out of it, or witnessed it for morbid curiosity is interesting though. I really don't think I would care. I would kind of expect it.
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Doing it for profit (to sell a movie) is evil.
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I don't think they are glorifying torture in the film. Judging the use of the actual suffering of others as a basis for profit making media as an evil act is kind of tough though. It would leave the Ambrose/Spielberg/Hanks blood and guts factory out of business. How would Bill O'Rielly sell mugs and t-shirts?
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Mostly at the comment that "I will tell you this... as someone who lived suffering. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about". This is what made me angry in the first place. You don't know me, and you don't know my motivations. Your account of your suffering, sadly, is par for the course for me, my family and friends. The difference is, just as this is not a forum I would see fit to post videos of Daniel Pearl dying in, it's also not a forum I would see fit to share my personal accounts of suffering in. Do people who come here to read about movie news really need to hear about my father sitting me down as a pre-pubescent to show me pornography to make sure I don't turn out gay after being sexually molested? No, they don't need to. If you want me to clarify, my issue lies with people condemning Capone, and somehow assuming they know what he did and didn't get out of watching a video, in a talkback for a fucking oscar-bait flick.
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i'm in the military and even most of us have no desire to watch those goddam videos. you can't justify wanting to watch those videos of any kind without admitting that you enjoy the morbid and morally wrong. you can't have it both ways. the content of those videos are sick and without merit of any sort to exist. even if i weren't in the military, i would still not watch those types of videos. and i'm a liberal hippie type.
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I was at work, when I picked up our local tabloid paper, which is the most widely read paper in my city, to see Nick Berg (I've never seen the Daniel Pearl video) splashed across the front page, a sequance of frames from his video leading up to, but not including the actual decapitation. My reaction? Physical discomfort. Unsettled nerves. The images and the thought of what he went through gnawed at me for the day. I went home, and I felt compelled to look. Which I did. I was incredibly angry, then incredibly sad, then shocked, then resigned. I saw two more after that, followed by the same reaction. Do I look at them now? No, I find them too upsetting. Capone said it in his review. It reviled him. It shocked him. He didn't "trawl the internet" like a fucking deviant to get some masturbatory material from human suffering. It was morbid curiosity. It's instictual. And while I might share your disgust at certain people, like the teenage girls at work who giggled at one of the videos on their mobile phones, I find sanctamonious turds pissing on a reviewer for transgressing some moral line they have seen fit to draw extremely disagreeable. And no, you don't need to tell me to fuck off, because I'll do it for you. I came here to bitch about movie directors, to flippantly toss about derogatory homophobic remarks about those who don't agree with me about which Ninja Turtle is better, or repeat endless variations of not particuarly funny catch phrases but since that has been pretty much permanantly fucked up, I'll do us all a favour and abandon the talkbacks. Sorry to anyone I offended (exluding Pazuzu and SoylentMean).
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Fuck you too, you sanctimonious windbag.
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It's the hip new catch phrase.
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and Yet jolie's attitude seems to be "i hate the press so much, that I am going to stop them from asking me questions about my personal life". She is another Star who will pose on the cover of a magazine and yet gets all frosty about her private life. I know that she really protecting her adoped children and that is fair enough. but to try to silence the media at a press conference is ridiculous.
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don't assume that most people are fascinated by watching people being murdered. If it were true, Hostel 2 would be #1 at the BO.
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I hate movies where a dumb, talentless A-lister who wants to get some credibility appears in a movie with an 'issue'(not that i am mocking what happened to Pearl). There is only one thing going through awful Angelina's right now mind: 'ooh look at me, i'm ACTING!! I'm DARING and TALENTED!! I'm working with an INDIE AUTEUR!! GIVE ME A FUCKING OSCAR!!!! Poor Mr Winterbottom is a great director but he should realise that he is best working with great actors like John Simm, Christopher Eccleston, Shirley 'Angel' Henderson...and Rob Brydon (hmmm). Don't use actors with REAL talent not A-list airheads.
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and delve deep into the hearts of strangers. Can you read the thoughts and intentions of other complete strangers and tell us what they're thinking as well? For instance, can you tell me what motivates Paris Hilton to rise each day? What was Tony Blair thinking when he decided to get in bed with George Bush?
How DARE someone actually give a damn about something. Say what you will about Jolie--nothing seems to be stopping you--but if most of your celebrated "A-listers" engaged issues as she does, maybe there'd be a little more concern for some of the key problems facing children today. So allow me to employ the succinct battle cry of Talkbackers everywhere and request respectfully that you Fuck Off. -
and if she didn't actually CARE about them, which we can't know because we can't know her mind, at least she draws attention to people, specifically people who are living in shit. Would you rather she flashed her cunt all over the tabloids while texting on her Sidekick and promoting some fuck-tarded agenda like proper poodle grooming? I hate celebrity as much as any of you, but I'm a realist and I'm glad to see a couple of them are still connected to this world.
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Because I live in reality, I realize that millions of fucking retards worship at the feet of celebrities. I don't have any answer for that problem, but I'm not going to complain when those celebrities talk about Darfur, adoption, abject poverty, and so on. It's practically a fucking miracle in my book, with all that money and surrounded by so many soulless fuckbags. Live in LA for a few years and you'll be equally amazed.
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...I can't imagine the anxiety you must have gone through while debating whether or not you should give in and post a conspiracy link:
"Geez, what to do... what to do... Yes, I do think I've earned some re-image points (in a David Duke stylee) among many talkbackers since jettisoning my earlier extremist rhetoric, but am I really willing to risk all that by resorting to my infamous GingerTwit and zfisk/homewrecker-defending ways?"
My guess is that the temptation was just too overwhelming for you.
I like how you phrase your post, by the way. You state that you think the Berg vid was faked but that you haven't seen the Pearl vid. Knowing you, what this means is: "if I had seen the Pearl vid or any of the others, I would have found some other loon site which discredits them as well."
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Hey, I didn't mean to be too hard on you. It's an emotional issue.
Mostly... I was just talking about what I thought of some of your comments such as "If anything, this mentallity of sticking your head in the sand and ignoring all that is ugly and sad just might just turn you into a self righteous dick." and I know you were just making an argument for watching the video(s).
I certainly don't condemn anyone who looked at the video(s). Because people were curious. Especially since we see fake violence all the time for entertainment.
I just wanted to talk honestly about what I think. And I think that it's certainly a good thing if you don't watch them. -
But I just wanted to say that was an amazing post by antonphd, and not just for it 'revelations' nature, but as a mature argument.
My initial point was less to condemn those who watch these things than to show amazment at Capone, and the others in the TB, who watched it and then showed surprise that it had an actual effect on them and that they wished they hadn't done it... It just amazed me that you couldn't tell that diving headfirst into concrete might be a bad idea... In a nation full of people paying for therapy, it amazes me how few people even understand the most basic things about themselves...
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It is ignorant, irrational, idiotic comments from people like EvilWizardGlick and Mel Gibson that help add to the hatred for us. Israel isn't the problem, terrorists aren't the problem, the weakness of man and his susceptibility to extremism is the problem.
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Yes, I was adopted. So was my brother. My adopted parents have had 12 children and uncountable foster children. Worst part? They get away scott free. They did it to foster or adopted kids so that they could always threaten to give us back and that we were so fucked up that nobody else would take us, so, we'd just be put out on the street to die. When you are a kid who doesn't know any better and you are being bounced around... you believe what you are told. My biological parents were mental, so, my adopted parents always held that over my brother and I's head. Told us it was them or a mental institution. My brother and I are game programmers now in our 30s. But it fucks hard to have that kind of shit happen to you. You don't think torture happens today in america... but looking back, I don't know what else to call it. We were the best behaved children you ever knew... but beat down as shit. I say this, not to share, but to say that it's sick that shit like this goes unpunished. My little brothers and sister are still there and cops and social services won't do anything without catching my parents doing it red handed. They are too afraid of being sued. I love my superhero and sci-fi movies, but I sure as fuck wish more movies would expose this kinda shit. In thinking about it more... I guess if I had a video that exposed my parents... I would post that shit online. It would be great if public opinion swayed extending the statute of limitations for child abuse. Like any kid is going to sue their parents when they are a kid. I know that Mommy Dearest opened my eyes. Maybe Jolie will do an updated version of it. :P
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Whoa matey! I was not slagging off Jolie's charity work, or indeed that of any wealthy celebrity because as long as the cause is right (Darfur, AIDS etc) then celebrity backing is a great way of raising said cause's profile. Starving African kids is an example of a very good cause. Look mate, people make assumptions about famous people they don't like every day. PERSONALLY I think that Jolie is nothing but a pair of lips and nothing much else, but clearly you disagree. And thats fine. In my post I was just assuming that Jolie's reasons for taking the role of Mrs Pearl were cynical ones. I could be wrong for as you said mate, I can't read minds. Peace.
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I'd suggest that, where we see cynicism, perhaps we are the cynics? Generally, I abhor the backslapping self-importance demonstrated by most celebrities, but the reason I defend Jolie is she has taken action where others wring hands. Much like Audrey Hepburn, I commend her for her activism. We need more like her.
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the way the us govt mislead the public over the jessica lynch story and the tillman case anything is possible. As an irishman if the us army murdered, say one of our reportters, Richard downes and refused to co-operate in any inquiry there would be outrage. as there was when Terry Loyd the itv reporter died and there was an inquiry in london and the Us army refused to co-operate in any way. and by making the it ilegal for the american media to show pictures of body bags and coffins, shows to me that us govt are cowards. Most americans will be against this war untill the next outrage happens. Ask youselves these questions: How prepared is the Us for another attack and how come there have been no drills of any kind and whose fault is that?
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Nobody would defend GingerTwit's, zfisk's or your right to say whatever you want to more than I would, but that was never the issue. What is the issue, however, is that you've defended WHAT they've said and stood up for a pair of loons who believe the most outrageous things ever put to electronic print on the internet and who've even been known to post links to neo-Nazi theorists and apologists to "prove" their twisted convictions. But then again, you've defended participants of the Teheran holocaust revisionist conference, so it's not really a stretch on your part.
The orange boiler suit argument is ludicrous, by the way. Berg wasn't the only one who wore one. Ken Begley and several other victims wore orange boiler suits at one time or another during their captivity. The reasons were twofold:
1) In order to make their recapture in case of an escape easier (just like every other kind of prison garb).
2) The boiler suits are a way to send a message to the USA as a parallel to the boiler suits worn by Guantanamo prisoners.
Furthermore, just how difficult do you think it is to get one's hands on a standard issue orange jumpsuit if one has no problem whatsoever procuring automatic weapons, explosives and ammunition of all sorts?
Talk about willful fucking ignorance.
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I love it when the conspiratards say things like "if you don't believe in the conspiracies then you're not a responsible citizen." It's just as ludicrous and myopic as when Bush's cronies and sycophants say things like "if you criticize the war and our commander-in-chief then you hate America."
The fact is that the current administration is so corrupt, incompetent, greedy, arrogant and ignorant that there are a million damning things right in front of our faces which justify outrage and loathing without having to invent secret cabals to make them seem even more evil and deplorable.
It betrays a deep insecurity and a lack of nuanced thinking when the tinfoil-hatters adamantly refuse to attribute one single heinous crime to the people the U.S. is currently at war with. This is because they're afraid that it will somehow make Bush seem like less of a fuck-up if they do, which is nothing short of a criminally feeble and intellectually stunted position. -
Actually, there's more to it than that, as you well know. The Neturei Karta advocate the abolition of Israel and have praised both Khomeini and Ahmadinejad. Not only that, but they've also issued statements where they claim that the number of Jews exterminated during WWII is exaggerated.
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Exactly! Many European and American Jews are so liberal minded that they are against Zionism. But even more believe that these Jews are the worst problem of all. As a person who knows Israelis, I know that they don't understnad how there can be so much anti-zionist sentiment from their own people. Which brings me back to the point of my initial comment which you so quickly attacked. These Jews who differ in opinion can't fight with each other when most of the world hates them just because they are Jews. I am sorry if I want peace between a race of people who do not have the time to bicker with each other while the leader of Iran wants to wipe them off the map. Unfortunately, anti-zionism CAN be one of the foundations for anti-semitism. It usually is, rather than "only" anti-zionism. But to say that the Daniel Pearl incident is all Zionist propaganda seems to be a lot dumber than my "dumbest thing" you've ever read. And yes, gentiles who differ in opinion should realize they are all still human. Arguing Arabs should realize they are all still human and work for compromise. I am sorry if I think politcal and social beliefs should not divide human beings. Unfortunately, this is easier said than done. Nothing is being solved by saying "my way is the only way", and I merely hope that Jews who differ in opinion can remember that they are ALL still Jews, and that they are all in danger of mindless anti-semitism.
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...being the classic Third Positionist that you are, it's not surprising to see you morally equate all kinds of "extremists" with each other. It's symptomatic of modern left and right wing extremist rhetoric to spread the guilt and crimes evenly among all actors on the world stage.
Western-style, liberal (albeit flawed) democracy is the main target which is why there's more and more inofficial cooperation between them. The primary rule of Third Positionism is simple:
Reduce the image of western democracy so that it becomes indistinguishable from the most heinous regimes ever known so that the restoration of such regimes becomes that much simpler.
That Bush is doing so much of their work for them (even if it is through sheer stupidity, ignorance and greed) is cause enough to loathe the chimp, which is why I'm sure that somewhere deep down in your dirty little heart you're actually thankful for him. -
...but didn't you infamously once state that you supported Israel's right to exist as long as the Palestinians (!) agreed to it through a referendum?
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Did here about the "Marathon Man" remake? Starring Chris Kein in the role Dustin Hoffman had in the original, Dustin Diamond as his brother in the CIA, Robin Williams using the same haircut and glasses he used in "one hour photo" will be playing the role of the old nazi dentist with a hard on for diamons, And Leelee Sobieski as the mandatory chick you call when you are in trouble so there can be some vague romantic interest for the women in the crowd. PS> any talk about the muslim terrorist bombing the rally and killing the people who want to keep the gov. secular? I know it is off topic to the whole "who chooses blue-ray while smelling their own farts while watching "Crank" but it is still a good topic to consider.
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Dude... you really are a smart guy. I appreciate how you used "respectfully" in your comment toward me, but it does make me confused about how you so quickly marked my first comment as the dumbest thing you ever read. Anyway, that doesn't matter. I just think you are confusing Zionism for what is really extreme Jewish conservatism. And only extreme conservative Zionists use their beliefs as the want to eliminate Palestinians. You can be a Zionist, yet still think that the occupation of the West Back is not a helpful thing. Many Jews realize that taking the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem in the Six Day War of '67 was an act of national frustration and emotional fury, and actually went against the ideals of Zionism. But with all do respect, how is EvilWizard's comment that the Pearl incident is propaganda... in which he gave no factual evidence or even another sentence... any more intelligent that anything I have said. I am sorry to say that you are wrong when you say that Zionism is for the democide of the Palestinians... the Zionist dream was to create a state for the Jewish people, that is it. It is extremists (which I condemned in my first post!), that create hatred. I know that their are insane Israeli extremists jsut as there are insane extremist Christians like our president, and insane extremist Muslisms. I am just scared because all of these are a minority, the intital ideals of Zionism go against the wishes to occupy the Bank and the strip. Thanks for the political rheotoric even though you kind of shit on me before... for you see, was it all that wrong of me to hope for people who differ to try and unite in the hope for peace?
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You also value the tenets of known Israel-dismantlers and Khomeini fans, the Neturei Karta, which means there's either a huge disconnect in your cognitive capacities or a deliberate fuzzing of moral lines in your rhetoric for political purposes.
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Don't bother. This guy has a looong history on AICN of diluting the meaning of the word "Zionism" during political debates. He chronically ignores the fact that the meaning of the word is what you stated, namely support for the establishment of a Jewish state in the Middle East.
There's a reason for this.
If the meaning of the word can be shifted to describe what you rightfully called Jewish right wing extremism, then anyone calling themselves a "Zionist" will automatically be labeled an extremist and thus begins the work of slowly eroding the very foundations of Israel's existence. -
...he used to call them "Zionazis", but dropped the term when he got too much flak for it.
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Is that the Bat Pod must be the escape vehicle from the Tumbler. Or the Tumbler gets destroyed and then Bruce uses the pieces to build the Pod.... just wanted to lighten the mood.
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It's actually making me think about a few choices I have made. I never saw the Pearl video, although it was linked to me. I asked a friend of mine who I trust and who knows me fairly well if I should see it and he said, I definitely should not. Frankly, I have been a horror fan most of my life and I think my imagination of what it could have been like is bad enough. Plus, I always have been aware that what happens in a movie is scripted. Real life has always been more upsettling to me. I'm retired from the wrestling business now, but I always got upset when someone "bladed"(cut their forehead) when the script called for it. Wrestling is a rough biz but I found the unfortunate blending of real life and scripted unnecessary and over the top. It is too prevalant nowadays. But it is used to underscore a fued or a match and to get the crowd involved.
Someone above made a point of bringing up documentries. I have only been really getting into docs for a few years now and some of them are extremely powerful because of the biographical nature of them."Four Little Girls" comes to mind about the church bombing during the civil rights movement. Did they need to show the broken, bloody bodies of the children? Or the doc "The Bridge", where a crew filmed the Golden Gate for a year, catching suicidal people jumping to their deaths? These films had a powerful message behind them but does that excuse the use of autospy photos, people plunging to their deaths? Perhaps it does not but perhaps it also underscores the severity of the circumstances. Of course, it's also a personal choice not to view these things; I didn't go into these docs thinking I was going to have a good time. But without the severity of the footage, the docs themselves might have become rather toothless and forgettable and one thing I can't see is for these film makers to take on the burden of this subject matter and just have its audience forget about it the next day.. -
Glad to hear you see where I am coming from... but we need to try and help people realize that their misconceptions of Zionism are false, and not just give up on them. Although, I'm telling ya, I've almost given up on trying to tell people that supporting Israel isn't a bad thing. It seems the world thinks if you support the State of Israel, you are as blood thirsty as a horny vampire and as retarded as George Bush.
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Gotta love the job they did with Gaza after getting it back from Israel. First thing they did was smash and destroy all the greenhouses, which you kinda of need to grow food in hot, dry, sandy places. Then they use to shoot rockets at Israel, and when killing Jews isn't enough, they start shooting each other, and when they run out of bullets, they throw each other off of buildings. That is really reaching for the brass ring there, huh fellows? What a great job they are doing now with their "holy land" back. Surely an inspiration to us all. Now who chose Blue-Ray again?
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at manipulating the media. Al-qaeda has american born muslim running there media campaign. I learnt this on peter taylor superlative three part series on the new alqaeda called al-qaeda 2.0 on the bbc last year. A magnificent program it was to. It made the hairs stand up on the back of neck. The latest hamas video has bbc journalist Alan wearing wire explosives.
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oh there is a new tv spot out there. And looks fucking amazing. Optimus with his axe!!!!!!clasic. mehhhh.
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"Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair" is now listed for DVD release on November 6th of this year by Genius Products/Weinstein Company. All that is known about the release right now is, the running time will be 247 minutes and will include 4 discs.
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butt sex with angelina jolie. you heard it here first.
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The Department of Defense has kept under wraps photos of tortured prisoners in Iraq that make the stuff that did come out look like fraternity pranks. They've got at least one showing an American GI sodomizing an Iraqi woman (source: report last week on Democracy Now!). Should these photos be published? Absolutely. Proof's in the pudding. Would I hold it against anyone who viewed these photos? No, it's news. And I wouldn't hold it against anyone who chose not to view these images either. Same applies IMHO with the Berg and Pearl executions.
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and the film really captured the ebb and flow of that overpacked Pakistani city. Compared to that city, Manhattan feels like Kansas.
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I think most women would take the dick in the ass, atleast you still can go home to your kids.
Does Democracy Now! (why does that title have to have a "!" in it? that is fucking stupid) have ay photos from the Al Quacker bombing that killed 23 kids getting candy? Would the taken them if offered? Nah, didn't think so. -
DN! doesn't have the photos, they reported of their existence and that DoD is refusing to release them, as part of a broader story about the two-star general who was tasked by Rumsfeld with a VERY limited investigation into the Abu Ghuraib tortures. The investigating two-star could NOT explore how far up the chain of command the torture orders went.
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I'm no homophobe, but I'll take beheading over an ass-rape. Unless of course I was married to Angelina Jolie....
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Your right, its not the same. You would pay a guy to stick his dick up your ass, no one would pay to have their head cut-off. That's crazy talk son..
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After reading this talkback I went and picked up a copy of the book. I have to agree with Maxer, it's a damn fine read. I'll be waiting on the DVD to see the film though...
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it wasn't that funny. Perhaps he is being influenced by the type of porn he watches considering the genalization that "most women" would prefer anal sex over death and dishonor. A religious women might not have that same opinion.
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Place looks like shit. Movie was actually very good and so was Jolie and there was really no political message like those who haven't the movie say it does. All I know is Pakistan is the last place on my list of travel destinations it's down there with Latveria... Or wait was that my first choice?
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TY. And it's a good thing we still have a few around like General Taguba.
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Sorry to hear that Jews are fighting over Zionism. However, Jews have a habit of disagreeing over politics, religion etc. going back a few thousand years (such fights led to their expulsion from the Holy Land to begin with). However, it's good that that they only get "near" fist fights as opposed to other religious groups that resort to things like war, murder, torture, blowing up shrines etc.
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The beheadings and bombings of schools by the "enemy" (radical islam) are symptomatic of their culture and part of their M.O. The rapes and panty pictures, why I agree are not how we want our soldiers to behave in the field, it certainly is not the norm. For example, the Al Quaker types are taught to hide their arms near school, hospitals and mosques. So even they are found and destroyed, there can be civilian causalities to use as propaganda. "Even if we loose, we win" is saying they use. Now the rapings and such at the Iraq prison certainly are NOT the norm for the US military, and not how they are taught to be have. Was it wrong and fucked up, absolutely. But the moonbats forget that is was other military personal that reported the wrong doing, and the people responsible were punished. Are some Islamic terrorists going to turn their buddies in for blowing on the Red Cross center or the kids getting candy and the opening of water treatment plant? And don't get me started on Gitmo, some of the complaints on the left state that "Some cells were too hot, some were too cold, so people didn't get enough sleep, some had to hear loud music" blah, blah. I guess the moonbats forget that most of the people are hard-core murderers who would cut there mother's throat without a second thought. Boo Hoo for them. Are there some folks there who don't fit this description? Maybe. But when you fight as shadowy organization who fights with deception and blending into the general population, they fault really lies with them.
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When you run a group made up of 1.5 million so bad apples are going to get in now matter how you screen them. Just like the postal service. But is not like at marine boot camp they have drills to see who can make nake prisoners pose in human preztel the quickest. Put do the islamic terrorist teach people who to kill innocent people on purpose, you betcha. And I would be a little more careful about holding up on article from the left with an agenda as truth..hello, memogate, newsweek koran story....
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By and large Jews are less extreme. How many politial assasinations have there been in other countries ompared to Israel? That's not to excuse Rabin's assasination. Also, please tell me how and when Zionists 'fomented' anti-Semitism in Russia? Unless, of course Brezhnev, Stalin and the czars were 'Zionists'.
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"deaths of innocent bystanders killed during the assassinations." I know that sucks, but there is big difference in-regardst o the intentions. I would be a lot more pissed off at someone who ran down my friend because of his religion than I would be at a cop who did the same thing as accident chasing serial killer.
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So if I pointed you to articles on Newsmax.com that showed some in the left media made up fake stories about the Koran being flushed down the toilet or prisoners being abused to hurt the bush adminstration, you wouldn't brush it off as "right wing fantasy"?
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so are we to believe that the people who killed the Jewish athletes were done with killing people? They were just going to let them go? Or take them prisoner, and wait for the hamas types to kidnap some people to use as trade bait. Let's just face the fact that neither one of use is going to change the other's opinion by writing on a message board. That is why I never understand all the neo-libs who plaster their cars with bumper stickers. Is that supposed to make others change their mind about the war on terrorism, iraq, etc? Maybe they are just there to cover the rust, i don't know. The only things that changes people mind is experience, personal experience, or that of someone they know well. I have family that l was in East Timor for bit, and a close friend from the Philippines. And I base my opinion of the the world of Islamic terrorism on their first hand accounts, not what I heard on America Right, Air America, or read on the Huff & Pudd Post. Later Tatter, Kamala.
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I was sorta bitching about your "gender" politics, not your "political" politics. That's cool though. I could make a comment generalizing how men listen to women during an arguement...but what would be the point?
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With my voodoo mask on, I close my eyes and nod my head to my ipod playing Tool. Women think you are agreeing with them, by the head nods, and the eyes hidden by the wood and paint. Then we go off with our spears and hunt some boar before my big match.
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I'm sending the Undertaker after you.
No, Taker, he's that way. Paul? Mr. Bearer, will you put down that stupid fucking urn!! -
AIR KAMALA!!
Never to bee seen again.
Undertaker, pffffst!
He will end up in my soup bowl, that red haired Lurch.
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I'm not going to argue every point by point (Israel is not consistently perfect), but I don't believe their is any systematic rape of anyone --please bring an unbiased source. The expelled (or simply fleeing)people wound up in refugee camps -- Israel couln't put them in camps in Jordan or Gaza/Egypt in 1948. One can argue whether taking innocent lives to save other innocent lives is wrong, but don't assume that Israel bombs militants just for the fun of it. If there had been no terror, roads carrying food and medicine would be free. As for aid workers, do you feel settlers should allow their young hildren to live in a danger zone? Many excuse the death of settlers' children that way. The argument also works against the so called 'peace workers' who lie down in front of bulldozers and shield militants.
And you still haven't shown how Zionists fomented anti-Semitism in Russia.
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Off topic but Chris Benoit, his wife and his son have all died in Atlanta.
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