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Quint reports in from the Harry Potter press conference! Tidbits on ORDER OF THE PHOENIX and even hints at Book 7!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. So, the big reason I’m in London is for HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX. I went out to that set last year and was forbidden to write about it until next week. But the same people, including a certain wild and crazy WB publicist, asked me to come out to London to attend the junket. I don’t accept junket invitations as a general rule. I turn down at least a dozen invites a year. I don’t like the feeling on junket set visits or big pre-release junket blitzes. I won’t do a round table interview… there’s just no appeal for me to sit in with a dozen journalists and ask the same questions, then work on a story that will be exactly the same as everybody else’s. However, I was able to arrange one on one interviews, so add on to that that I’d be seeing the movie about 3 weeks early and that I’m a giant Harry Potter nerd, I accepted the invitation. The free flight and upper-scale hotel didn’t hurt either. So, I currently type this in the press holding room. I’m about an hour away from starting my first of three interviews (David Yates, followed by Rupert Grint and closing with Daniel Radcliffe), but I thought I’d give you guys a bullet-hits version of the info I got at the press conference so far. There were two conferences that ran about 45 minutes each. Conference one had Rupert Grint, Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe and conference two had David Yates (director), David Heyman (producer) and Michael Goldenberg (screenwriter). I’ve just gathered in the amusing or interesting info below, including some hints at Book 7. Also see some pics I snapped around the hotel where all this was held. They had some props set up, mostly Umbridge stuff. Enjoy!

-Emma Watson was asked about the much publicized late decision to sign up for the last two films. She said it wasn’t anything devious, just that she wanted to make sure she could commit to both Potter films as well as continue her schooling. In the end, WB went out of their way to make sure she can do both, including giving her every Monday off, a tutor on-set and her hours of working are the same as they were when she was having on-set schooling, even though she’s over that age now. - JK Rowling’s husband is possibly the only other person in the world that knows what happens at the end of Book 7. -Someone asked what indulgences the cast has treated themselves to. Rupert Grint had the most entertaining answer, saying he’s just bought himself an Ice Cream truck. An actual working ice cream truck, complete with ice cream. -Another question was about the actors’ feelings of potentially being killed off in the final book. Watson – “I think I’m going to make it.” She couldn’t explain why she has that feeling, but she thinks Hermione’s going to survive. Grint – Said it was the last book, so why not go out with a cool death? He wasn’t opposed to it all. Radcliffe – He said he loved the idea of a conclusive ending, which would in essence mean that he thinks Harry has to die. He said if Harry died, it’d be fitting, but he also laughed and said he didn’t want there to be another publicity incident where he says something like that and the next day there are headlines saying “Daniel Racliffe wants to kill Harry Potter!”

- The Room of Requirement set was “one degree hotter than the sun,” according to Ratcliffe. Under the tile lighting, enclosed set, fire places always having to be set due to the mirrors that cover the wall… all meant a miserable shooting experience. - What do they want to do next? All said they wanted to keep acting. Radcliffe in particular said he wanted to find interesting and challenging work and wanted to experiment with his writing. Watson said she wanted to try some theater and that she loved to sing (which was quickly followed by, “Don’t worry, I’m not launching a music career,” but that something musical on the stage would be a dream for her). Grint came in saying that he wants to continue to act and “if it doesn’t work out I still have the ice cream van, I suppose.” - The filmmakers approached ORDER OF THE PHOENIX as fans and specifically crafted the film so that if you don’t see something you love from the book, if a particular secondary story got the ax, you can assume it’s happening off screen, but in the same place and time as the characters.

-Rowling had a lot of input, especially for a scene featuring a large tapestry illustrating the Black Family Tree, which has 5 generations of family detailed on it. She also influenced the ending, for a sequence that is much more internalized than it was in the book. - When asked about the politics of the movie and how it mirrors current events, Yates said, “It’s nice to have a bit of politics with a small ‘p’.” He said the focus was always on the entertainment and adapting the story, but the political aspect is there. - HALF-BLOOD PRINCE will be released late 2008 and begins filming this September. - Finally, the big tidbit that got all the Harry Potter geeks mumbling in hushed whispers to each other. In the original draft of the screenplay for ORDER OF THE PHOENIX, they had decided to remove a character from the story. Rowling read over the screenplay and said “I wouldn’t do that if I were you,” that they were free to do whatever they liked, of course, but “if you make a 7th movie you’ll have tied your hands.” Heyman wouldn’t reveal who that character was and all the Potter nerds (myself included) were debating the point afterwards. Theories included Grawp, Luna and Bellatrix. Luna might be a possibility, but I thought it might be extra tricky of them if they meant James Potter, who we see in a flashback (those that have read the book know what part). Did Heyman mean that the scene was important or the character itself? Hrmmm… That’s it from the press conference. I have my interviews coming up soon and I’m really looking forward to them, especially talking with David Yates about his plans for HALF-BLOOD PRINCE and how his style will change. Look for those interviews to appear over the course of the day.

-Quint quint@aintitcool.com



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  • June 22, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    hermione and ron die

    by Calimist

    just terrible

  • June 22, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    4 Th ?

    by stamper

    uh

  • June 22, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    really?

    by girls drugs and touchdowns

    magic is the only way this crap could still be popular. here's an idea, let harry potter do the macarena while singing mambo #5, playing pogs and doing every other trend that went away. this should too.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Ten bucks that

    by Transmetropolitan

    Daniel Radcliffe will be a raging coke addict by 23.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I hope that

    by decypher44

    the "hacker's" claims of getting the book and revealing the ending is false. I accidentally ran across it and don't want to be spoiled. Oh well.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I'm posting without having read the article . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . how are there hints on book 7 w/out spoiler warnings around the article heading???

  • June 22, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    the important character

    by sillypants

    *spoiler* is Kreacher. JK Rowling has said so herself. God I'm a harry potter fag.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Guess it's too late for an article on the HP island at

    by Frijole

    Universal's Islands of Adventure in Orlando. So confusing what is and isn't deemed "cool news" 'round here. Thanks for the info though Quint. Good article.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Greatm we already have the obligatory anti-HP bonehead.

    by Frijole

    Good show, girlsdrugsandtouchdowns. We're all impressed by your cynicism.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Article Spoilers

    by blackwood

    Read away - it's very vague. Although sillypants just spilled the real beans, but that's Talkback for you.<br><br> I'm re-reading HBP to get ready for TDH. I love Harry Potter. Makes me feel like a kid again - and Rowling is definitely no slouch. I'll be interested to see what she works on next.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    ice cream truck...

    by just pillow talk

    Rupert is all right! The trailer for this one has my hopes up that they'll have another good movie on their hands...

  • June 22, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Voldemort's fate

    by cyanide christ

    I think that he will survive the seventh book. He will end up being trapped in a painting, proving that Dumbledore was right when he said "there are fates worse than death". Think about it, Voldy would have to sit on the sidelines and watch without having any real power. That would be torture for him. Plus Harry is not a killer. I'm a nerd.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Order

    by blackwood

    I think the film will be great - the book had a lot in it, but if you wittle away the wordiness, the Big Moments are some of the most cinematic in the series so far. And Stanton's Umbridge looks spot on.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    The character they were thinking of removing is..

    by TheAntagonist

    likely to be someone that was described but seemingly not central. My bet is on the barman at the Hog's Head where the DA members met to decide whether they would become the DA or not. If you read between the lines and have read all of the books it is quite clear that the barman is Dumbledore's brother Aberforth. I am quite sure we will see im in the 7th book.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Sillypants..

    by TheAntagonist

    Aahhh Kreacher! I could see how they would think he was expendable. I missed the interview where she mentions that.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Kreacher eh? Hmmm, what about RAB?

    by purplemonkeydw

    Maybe they thought they could cut out that storyline as well as the tapestry. Perhaps that's why JK was so involved with that particular set piece...oh, sorry, I believe RAB is Regulus Black.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    This is how the final Potter book ends

    by Trazadone

    Hermione becomes the head of the school and Harry will be the Defense of the Dark Arts teacher. It's so obvious.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    DanDelion

    by cyanide christ

    Well, to each their own I guess. I happen to think that Shakespear and Jack London both suck shit but most readers would disagree with me. Oh well, what books do you like?

  • June 22, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I'm giving serious thought...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...to ending my "I Must See Every Movie With Gary Oldman" rule. I do so hate these Harry Potter movies.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    You're a lucky man, Quint.

    by Zarles

    Although, this story could've been kicked into the stratosphere if you could've somehow managed to get a picture of yourself in that pink coat.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    late 2009 is a long wait for HALF-BLOOD PRINCE

    by palimpsest

    That means at least a year (and maybe two or more) for the DEATHLY HALLOWS movie. Hopefully that'll be enough time to make the last book film-able. Face it, friends, too many plot lines to tie up in one book to make the whole thing remotely satisfying for a mainstream movie audience, once the cinema conversion comes around. I've enjoyed the books and films to date (and the soap opera aspect of them is interesting, if not actually good), and am intrigued to see if JK had a plan all long, or if there's a dog's breakfast of DIGBY proportions awaiting us in July...

  • June 22, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Put Harry in the pink coat

    by palimpsest

    HAIRSPRAY in one image...

  • June 22, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by cyanide christ

    I too have a vast appreciation of Gary Oldman. I can even watch Lost in Space just because of his part. That said, even if I didn't like the HP movies I would still watch them just to see him play Sirius Black.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    nice......tea set?

    by Loosejerk

    Thankfully, this isn't Ain't Them Cool Pics!

  • June 22, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    On page 234, ZOMBIE DUMBLDORE KILLS EVERYONE!!!

    by Shermdawg

    Oh sorry, um...*SPOILER*.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    HARRY POTTER MOVIES ARE GODDAMNED BORING

    by Pound Sand

    new school year, mysterious acting adult, new teacher with potential dark side, quidditch, Hermione casts a spell, Rupert Grint acts like a stooge and Harry saves the day against Lord Voldemort. Yawn. Oh yeah, and a dragon.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    The character they were going to cut

    by Leopold Scotch

    It was obviously Harry Potter.<br><br>Oh yeah, and unless I'm mistaken, the films come out every one and a half to two years, so the last one should be mid 2010 at the earliest.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    On the supposed leak

    by Mooly

    Somebody posted on a hacker website that he hacked the publisher, read the ending and then proceeded to say what happens. But I read it and it sounded like absolute BS. In a matter of 5 sentences, he says one thing happens, then says another in the next sentence...both would be shocking but then he says nothing happens and the whole thing is boring. The "leak" is bullshit.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Ice Cream Truck

    by Saluki

    That kid is a blast!

  • June 22, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Book 7 "rumors".......

    by amadeus_rex

    I agree, not much of a spoiler. Already knew the filmmakers are highly anti-house elf. I mean, who's running the show - the Malfoys and the rest of the racist purebloods? We miss Winky - S.P.E.W. needs to take over producing, directing, and writing duties. Of course, I'd probably end up being one of 3 people who actually sit through the resulting 12 hour movie - so there you go. Looking forward to more info from your interviews. Oh, and for those of you who know what I'm talking about - W.O.M.B.A.T. are in the Owl Post. Yeah!!!!

  • June 22, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    ooops...

    by amadeus_rex

    W.O.M.B.A.T. results that is

  • June 22, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Character

    by Turd Furgeson

    Was Kreacher.... The black family house elf. Rowling said that they should put him back because he has a vital role in book 7 that is critical to the story. Read that a couple weeks ago in an interview.... Really looking forward to this.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    The non-cuttable character is....

    by y2ames

    Kreacher, the Black Family House Elf. I am 100% sure of it. I even read an interview with Rowling or someone who definitively said so.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    The leak

    by Turd Furgeson

    I read it this morning. It's from some Catholic freak who said the Pope is urging his followers not to read HP because it encourages pagonistic worship and behavior... What a blow hard! The "Hacker" namded Gabriel said hes posting it so you can skip the book and makes a reference to doing gods work.... Not kidding... What a douchebag.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Loosejerk: attention to detail makes it Cool

    by Scar Gordon

    Ok, so the teaset itself may not be extraordinary but seeing that the set decorator went to the trouble of putting a picture of Umbridge's beard, Cornelius Fudge, in the photo frame is Cool. Thanks Herc.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    D'Oh! Thanks QUINT

    by Scar Gordon

    I read to many postings at one sitting....

  • June 22, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    thank you scar gordon.

    by occula

    i'm a production designer and my favorite aspect of design is filling out the details of characters that maybe we don't grasp on-screen, but the actors use as tools to enrich their characters. any actor will agree. a good film nerd would also agree that while nothing is being blown-up or wearing a batsuit in these photos, getting to see the elements of what would be a hot set is part of the overall experience. touche!

  • June 22, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Peeves!!!!

    by HesASuitor

    I hope the character they decided to leave in is Peeves. I'm sad they have taken him out of all the other ones.

  • June 22, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    The great thing about Harry Potter...

    by starlesswinter

    ...is how brilliantly plotted out the series is. Jo Rowling has had the entire story planned for seventeen years! So all the little things the average moviegoers call "boring and useless" come back in the final two installments as major plotpoints, because the author has foreshadowed them as clues without us knowing they were clues, such as Tom Riddle's diary, Kreacher (presumably), and the locket at Grimmauld Place. So many people think these stories work as seperate tales, that each book is a story on its own, but there is much bigger pictures beneath the whole series, where all the importance of the future lies in what happened on ONE night, the night that Harry's parents were killed. You begin to realize this in Order of the Phoenix, at the end, and it becomes a big realization in Half-Blood Prince. Expect many things to shock you in the final installment. I will happy to see many viewers get that "slap in the face" when they finally notice how brilliantly planned it all is. It isn't a simple kid's story...it only seems like it at first.

  • June 22, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    My pleasure, occula - literally

    by Scar Gordon

    When the production, art, and set design is done by people who care about thier work it can make a bad film much more watchable (Dune) and a great film into a classic (LOTR). Thank you and those of your profession who care enough to give us that depth. Ok, do we both need to smoke a cigarette now or what?

  • June 22, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    i knew it!!!!!!! Quint in london = Harry Potter 5

    by ludmir88

    the ice-cream joke was nice really. And in about 3-4 weeks AICN are going to spoil the end of the book. Don't do it!!!!!!

  • June 22, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Re: Starlesswinter

    by Kizeesh

    No it is a simple kid's story. That she had a vague idea of what was going to happen isn't anything 100 other authors, most far better writers than Rowling, haven't accomplished before. <p> Also there really aren't all that many things that she added that weren't retrospective a'la Lucas style throwbacks. I'm guessing you think the use of a bezoar and Tom Riddles Diary mean that she'd thought it all out beforehand.<p> Don't get me wrong. I like the books and have read each several times, just try not t get caught up in fanboy/fangirlism

  • June 22, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    what? no talkback? mmmm..ok

    by ludmir88

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • June 22, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Re:Kizeesh

    by starlesswinter

    She has stated many times that she has planned the entire series before she began writing. Just because you can't believe someone could do such a thing doesn't mean it's not true. I'm sure she didn't think "Oh, I should set up the bezoar here because I'll use it in book six," (that's not important to the overall plot), but she obviously knew about the diary because she has said that part of Half-blood Prince was supposed to be in Chamber of Secrets, but it gave too much away too early (the Horcruxes). Tom Riddle's diary is just one example of a foreshadowing. In her interview with Mugglenet/Leaky Cauldron, she said that other Horcruxes were hidden throughout the six books, and that careful readers would be able to guess at least one by the time the week after HBP was released was over. She knew about the prophecy from the first book, when Dumbledore tells Harry that he couldn't tell him yet why Voldemort tries to kill him as a baby. She knew Trelawney made it from the third book (when Dumbledore says that brings her total count of real predictions to 2). She knew everything that happened at Godric's Hollow from the beginning (the entire scene was written as the beginning chapter of Sorcerer's Stone, but it also gave too much away too early; you can find this on her website). The Horcruxes were also hinted at in Goblet of Fire, when Voldemort speaks of "one or more of my experiments". There is a missing 24 hours between Godric's Hollow and Harry's arrival at the Dursleys house; this is obviously not a mistake and has been kept from us on purpose; there was something important going on there. Aunt Petunia has a secret, which I believe, the first book holds clues to (that creaky stair, maybe?). Aberforth has been hinted at since the Goblet of Fire, and he will obviously play a part in the last installment. Why hide a character three books earlier if he's not gonna come back later? The 12 uses of dragon's blood were mentioned in the first book, but the author refused to give what those uses were to the screenwriter of the film because they are important in the last one. And she knew that 10 years ago! Why do you think we haven't learned anything but the basics of what happened at Godric's Hollow in book one? Because it is important, and she has left small clues from the beginning for us to follow along the way (only we won't know which are clues until the last book.) It is not a simple kid's story...it is merely designed to appear as one at first. Don't tell me she hasn't planned all this out; she has stated many times that she has. Sorry you don't believe it or haven't caught on. When you read the last book, and realize all the clues she has left from 10 years ago, then you'll realize what's going on.

  • June 22, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by starlesswinter

    ...of course many writers have "a vague idea of what was going to happen." That's how writers work: if you don't plan at least the basics of your story, your plot could fall apart at the end. But come on! There is enough evidence to suggest that Jo Rowling has planned this a great deal. She knows the history of the world she created. She was even able to send back (fifteen minute after receiving an email request from the filmmakers) five or six generations of the black family tree. She did not make all that up in fifteen minutes. Trust me, she knows what she is doing. And Lucas's throwbacks don't count at all..of course he is gonna be able to hint at things; he made the first part of the story last, so obviously he knew what was gonna happen because he already made the ending.

  • June 22, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    In answer to pretty much all of your points....

    by Kizeesh

    Because she's not that great a writer.<p> As I've said before, I've read the books several times, I have my own theories on the Horcruxes et al, but I don't believe that she's had it all in the bag the whole time any more than I believe the bollix Lucas spouts about having planned the entire Star Wars Saga. <p> It's nice that you believe what she says, it's cute, if a little naive. But I'm curious as to how you reason that this serios of CHILDRENS BOOKS are not simply children's books, but in fact are only pretending to be. I'd be interested to hear what on earth your on about or if you've confused this with His Dark Materials.

  • June 22, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Wow Kizeesh...

    by Frijole

    Aren't we a condescending asshole today? I'm with starlesswinter.

  • June 22, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    re: kizeesh vs. starlesswinter

    by Larry Sellers

    On one hand, the fact that she isn't a great writer doesn't mean she couldn't possibly come up with some vague plot points that she planned to revisit in a couple of books. And even when the story's complete and we see that it is indeed a finely woven tapestry...that doesn't make her a great writer. A brilliant outline does not a good series make.

  • June 22, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    No...

    by Frijole

    The fact that what fills in the spaces of that outline is so rich and so engrossing is what makes it a good series.

  • June 22, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Re: Kizeesh, yet again...

    by starlesswinter

    I have never read His Dark Materials, so I have nothing to say on that. Watch you use that against me now: "Then you haven't read great fantasy!" Why can't you believe that she planned it all out? Is it impossible to believe that SOMEONE is patient and hardworking enough to do that? Just because you can't believe someone would do that, doesn't mean that no one ever did or will. And I am not saying that Rowling is the greatest writer in the world. Her sentences are nothing complicated or artsy or any of that kind of thing. But so what? Is it bad that I can actually have fun reading her writing, and not sit there and think "oh, that was a nicely written sentence." She is not the greatest writer living, but I do think she is one of the greatest STORYTELLERS living today. We deeply care about the characters, we love the mystery, we embrace everything she throws at us and shocks us with in awe. She simply knows how to tell a good story. The fact that she doesn't write lines like "an image of the splendor of the kings of men in glory, undimmed before the breaking of the world" doesn't make her a bad writer; it just doesn't stand her up to classic writing. But whether or not you care for this series, you cannot deny that it has been very special to many, many people. Obviously there is something good about it... To me, you sound like one of those people who think there is a conspiracy with everything in the world. "Oh, someone planned out their series before writing it? NO way, that's just impossible! Humans just aren't that talented." Here is a quote from an press conference report about the black family tapestry: "How much did they work with J. K. Rowling? She was 'a dream collaborator', says Heyman. During the film Harry enters a room whose walls are entirely covered by the Black family tree tapestry; it was something which needed detail, something that needed 'to be more than four or five names.' All it took was a telephone call to the author, for fifteen minutes later she gave them a family tree with seventy-five names covering five generations, birth dates, marriage dates and family exorcisms." Did they make all that up to? An author doesn't need to flat out say at the beginning of the story all the details so that we believe he or he planned it all out. Where is the mystery in that? Readers enjoy finding everything out as they go along. What's the fun in being told everything? She has held her secrets until the end for that reason. That's what makes a mystery, which, in part, is what Harry Potter is.

  • June 22, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    oh, well, sure.

    by occula

    what's the definition of 'a great writer'? john updike? leo tolstoy? edith wharton? i would say so. rowling isn't 'great.' but she's good at her craft. she's good at re-working the chestnuts of fantasy and children's literature into what's become, to use a ridonkulous word, a cross-cultural juggernaut. can't fault her for her skill. she might be an OBE or whatever it is but she's not a nobel laureate in literature. but, really, who gives a rat's ass? i just read 'blindness' and for the sheer joy of reading i enjoyed it just as much as 'hp6.' ps scar gordon, i smoke pot only. *tee hee*

  • June 22, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    "Children's Books"

    by starlesswinter

    Ok, now this really bugs me, "children's books"...Because they are marketed as children's books, that MAKES them children's books? Because of their writing style? Because the main character is a child? What is it? Children's books deal with the same as or much better themes than adult books, but for some reason, they are looked down upon as having "simple themes." Fear, love, courage, choices, death...they are the themes that run our world. We live with them everyday. But as soon as they are thrown into a "children's books", they are basic and cliché, or stupid. Harry Potter deals with these themes in beautiful, complex, and real ways. But when themes such as religion(I'm not bashing it, however), heavy politics,science, and other things that are "important" or controversial or whatever to society, or thought to be, they are suddenly "adult" and "mean more." Then we have adult books that deal with ridiculous entertainment such as "I just had a baby, and I think my husband just cheated on me, I can't write a good article for Vogue, oh what shall I do?". Harry Potter is great entertainment; it is enjoyed by all ages. Does the fact that it is marketed as a children's book make it simple, bad, not important enough for its film adaptation to win an Oscar, not relevant to society? When can people learn that a story with relatively easy-to-read writing can have importance, can have heavy emotion, be relevant to everyone and any age, have an immensly complex plot?

  • June 22, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Oooooooh, a reading list!

    by Frijole

    How smug and self-important. Guess what. I've read Thompson, Palahniuk and Kerouac too. Big deal. My favorite writer is Vonnegut. Big deal. Your reading list has not made your opinion on this series any more or less valid, but it HAS made you look like a jerk. Move along.

  • June 22, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    John Irving loves Harry Potter.

    by Frijole

    And, in my opinion, he is one of the great American authors of the 20th century. But guess what. THAT is just as irrelevant as your reading list. I don't care if the Pope or Michael Moore or Noam Chomsky or Ron Jeremy or Fred Thompson likes or hates Harry Potter... because I DO like it. Call me an idiot.

  • June 22, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Unique in Fantasy

    by starlesswinter

    Actually, I would consider Harry Potter fairly unique,but not completely. I mean, sure it has many things from other fantasies, but everything in every genre has many things similar. Have you ever read another story with a wizarding school, a whole secret community of wizards in modern day, putting your soul in hidden objects to become immortal? It isn't Rowling's choice of words or sentence structure that makes her good; it's her ability to weave such a complex story together seamlessly, while still managing to affect us emotionally and still surprising us. I really don't blame you for thinking she can't write for shit based on the first few books; I really would think the same. I can't stand it now. But her writing HAS changed a lot over the years. Choppy sentences have become longer, more fluid ones. Let's face it, descriptions and "narration"-like writing aren't Rowling's strengths. Anyone could write the line "Harry woke the following morning to find Ron had already left the dormitory." But her dialogue is a wonder to read; you really get into it, and her writing talent really does show when she writes that. Like I said, you really get the feeling that there is some extraordinary brewing underneath the "boring filler" when you get towards the end of the series.

  • June 22, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    OK, I did not see the request for a list

    by Frijole

    of books that you like. I took it as unsolicited. The smugness level has dropped several notches.

  • June 22, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Now, I do agree with the filler...

    by starlesswinter

    It is true that much of the plot does seem pointless, and that the first few stories seem to be the same. Rowling's fault with Harry Potter is that she is so focused on the story as a whole that she sometimes forgets that each installment has to work on its own. Therefore, the filler she puts in isn't always satisfactory. However, I think you'll find that much of this filler will be resolved later. That's how the author writes; unfortunately, at the time it all seems stupid and pointless. Another problem with this is that Rowling is saving all the major plot points to be revealed at the very end, by throwing teeny hints here and there which we don't even know are hints. While I think this concept is brillaint, it is a problem because it leaves us with repetition of classes, quidditch, romance, and things that really don't seem to have a point at all, and thus leaves us with all the shocks and answers in the very final installment. If she had gradually drawn out the most important plot lines and revealed a little more as the story went along, the series would seem more unified and not so repetive. While Rowling has created a brilliant overall story (which unfortunately, many normal viewers and readers haven't yet seen because of these faults), she hasn't managed to create the brilliant middle parts and the "filler". While I am a huge fan, I can definitely see where you are coming from.

  • June 22, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    You are right, DanDelion

    by starlesswinter

    Not that I ever get bored reading Harry Potter, but a lot of the latter books have moments that feel really pointless. That could be that I am completely drawn into that world now, though, and I enjoy any detail about the magical world I can get. Don't think I disagree with you, because I really do agree about the filler. There is a story here, though. Even the first four books had a main story, even if there was full in between. But books five and six have no plot; it's a little of this, a little of that, most of which have to do with the overall plot, but they are not centered around a central story for that individual book. And that is Rowling's problem. She is keeping everything hidden from us, but by doing that, a lot seems pointless. She is focused so much on the secrets of Harry's past (his parents, Voldemort, Petunia, the Horcruxes, Godric's Hollow) that she isn't focusing enough on keeping each book an individual, solid story. Also, can anyone who doesn't like Rowling's writing tell me what they don't like about this passage? "While the Elixir of Life does indeed extend life, it must be drunk regularly, for all eternity, if the drinker is to maintain their immortality. Therefore, Voldemort would be entirely dependent on the Elixir, and if it ran out, or was contaminated, or if the Stone was stolen, he would die just like any other man...Thereafter, I am convinced, he intended to continue to rely only on his Horcruxes: He would need nothing more, if only he could regain a human form. He was already immortal, you see...or as close to immortal as any man can be. But now, Harry, armed with this information, the crucial memory you have succeeded in procuring for us, we are close to the secret of finishing Lord Voldemort than anyone has ever been before. You heard him, Harry: 'Wouldn't it be better, make you stronger, to have your soul in more pieces...isn't seven the most magical number...' Yes, I think the idea of a seven-part soul would greatly appeal to Lord Voldemort." I just don't see what makes that bad. Sure, it's not amazing, but why is it bad writing?

  • June 22, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Sorry

    by starlesswinter

    "Full in between" should be "fluff in between".

  • June 22, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    ** SPOILER ** ENDING FOR HARRY POTTER!!

    by BillyPilgrim

    <Bell rings as door opens> <Hermione enters diner> <Harry Potter looks up> <Cut to black for 5 min> <Roll credits>

  • June 22, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    "She's stated many times she planned the entire series"

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Starlesswinter, in defense of Rowling you said "She has stated many times that she had planned the entire series before she began writing. Just because you can't believe someone could do such a thing doesn't mean it's not true."<p>Well, that's true. And I do salute Rowling for all her success and congratulate her for giving so much joy to a helluva lot of kids around the world. There, wasn't that a nice thing to say?<p>HOWEVER...that siad, the opposite is certainly true as well. It's just one of those things you'll never actually know for sure. I mean, let's be honest here. Pretty much ANYONE who inadvertantly "creates" something that then goes on to be a big, big hit -- particularly something that then meets the very definition of becoming a long running franchise -- will ALWAYS get a bit defensive and say "Well OF COURSE I planned it all out. I've ALWAYS had notes and whatnot that detailed everything!" Because truth be told, what's the alternative? To stand there looking down, shuffling their feet, and admit publicly to the world "Uh...yeah...well, truth be told, I just got lucky. Then it became this big, big hit and everyone wanted more, so THANK GOD I was able to cover my ass and make it up as I went along and keep it going." I mean who WOULDN'T get up there and lie their ass off?<p>So as I said, it really is just one of those things you'll never really be able to prove UNLESS...years from now and after Rowling's death...someone actually DOES publish a book compiling her personal notes, at which point they can be in a book and everyone can see them and say "Hey, look! She really did plan it out. And as further proof of all the thinking that went into things, all the pre-planning, here are the variant things she was thinking about, too."<p>Best case example: Lucas and his infamous defense of having "notebooks filled to the brims with notes upon notes that I wrote for years upon years detailing everything about the Star Wars universe and how events would transpire." Of course given how disappointing the Prequels were, I just wish someone had managed to sneak in at night and replace a few of those notebook binders!

  • June 22, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Actually, the seventh MOVIE has an interesting problem

    by Big Dumb Ape

    You know, this is a funny thing that's occured to me. The books are obviously huge...and there's obviously going to be an ENORMOUS media push over the release of the last book. I mean let's face it, it will be everywhere and you'll be hearing about it everywhere...<p>...Which in turn means that the "big reveals" of the book will be out almost instantly as well. You'll know IF Harry dies or whoever. Now, I'm sure fans of the books will still buy it up, obviously want to read it for themselves...<P>...But what's interesting is how that will impact the final MOVIE. By the time it comes out, a few years from now, you'll already know how it ends. You'll already know who kicks the bucket. And even people who have been ONLY going to the movies, but who weren't fans of the books per se, will know the ending of the story too. So I wonder if the final film will be greated as a big to-do (that is, people saying "Well, I saw all the others so I have to see this one too") or if by then people will be "Ho-hum. I already know how it all ends, so onto newer things."<p>So it'll be interesting to see how the last MOVIE does in a few years and how well Potter interest holds up once the books are done with once and for all...

  • June 22, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Re: Big Dump Ape

    by starlesswinter

    I know this is true, and I definitely see from this side of thngs as well. This will always be said. However, Jo Rowling did do a video interview years back where she had all her notebooks and folders surrounding her, obviously not revealing anything, but she did mention that one notebook contained the history of the death eaters and one had the final chapter of book seven. She then showed scraps of paper where she was trying to figure out names for things such as the dementors. Also, on her website, if you find hidden things on there, you get little easter eggs that reveal discarded chapters, characters that were ommitted, a long outline of Order of the Phoenix. Also, a few posts back, I mentioned that she was able to give the filmmakers a gloriously detailed family tree in fifteen minutes. A few years ago, she wrote two books that have appeared in the HP books as school textbooks, and those have already held details which are to appear in the final book (like the type of dragon on the new deluxe cover.) Her publishers have also stated the one of the reasons they were so keen to take on the series is that she explained all the books to him before they even published the first one. But, then again, can this be proven? No, but you DO have quotes from many people besides the author herself.

  • June 22, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    The thing about media and HP

    by starlesswinter

    There is ridiculously absurd security for this last book. I mean, people being sued and arrested for spoiling or stealing the book. But this is because the fans DON'T WANT TO KNOW ahead of time. Sure, after the book is released, people will be free to post everything they want online. But it for sure won't be on news headlines. They won't post "In New Harry Potter book, Aunt Petunia Hid a Horcrux Underneath Her Creaky Stair All This Time" or "Snape Was At Godric's Hollow the Night Harry's Parents Died." The only thing that will get out will be the deaths, and that will be for people who go looking for that stuff or for morons who like to ruin everything. While you may not think a lot of the surprises matter, they really do to the fans. A lot of the surprises in the last movie won't make it to the public, because they won't be horribly obvious questions like "will Harry die?" LOTR: ROTK was an enormous hit, financially and critically, and that was predictable. Everyone knew Frodo was going to save Middle-earth, that Aragorn would become king, that there would be a huge battle, but it still did well.

  • June 22, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by Kizeesh

    I'm back. My how the world has moved on... In mention to your earlier points, I wasn't about to disparage you about not having read His Dark Materials, I dislike it intensely, but it has been called an adult book masquerading as a children's book. That was the point I was making.<p> In addition, I never said I didn't enjoy Potter or that fun could be found reading it. I merely said she wasn't a great writer. <p> Speaking of which, you said earlier "Have you ever read another story with a wizarding school, a whole secret community of wizards in modern day," Actually I have, I grew up reading The Worst Witch books by Jill Murphy. A series to which Harry Potter owes a great deal. I doubt theres anyone who has read them that believes for a second that they didn't act as a huge inspiration for Rowling. Which is another point about the books, they are HUGELY derivative. With the exception of Quidditch I can't think of a single idea or conceit that she's come up with on her own.<p> There were other points but Big Dumb Ape has just given far more concise answers to some other things than I could have so I'll not throw anything in there.

  • June 22, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    That writing...

    by starlesswinter

    I don't know...I can see why you like that, but it just isn't my thing...I like the writing, but the story doesn't seem like something I would enjoy. I think the reason many enjoy the "Horcruxes" chapter from which my excerpt came is because of the IDEA. It's exciting when you read it, because you just didn't expect soul-splitting, and you realize how brilliantly this has been kept from us and hinted at. Agreed, the writing isn't unique there, it's not amazing, but I don't find your excerpt "fucking amazing" either. It had mood, and that is what makes it special. But it isn't amazing writing; I find some sentences choppy. So Rowling's writing isn't amazing to me; it's not even great, but I think her brilliance of ideas and her ability to tell a good story and keep the suspense and the emotion is what makes her a unique storyteller Not many storytellers today have the ability to do that, seriously. I have not become emotionally attached to anything recently.

  • June 22, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    I'd also just like to say

    by Kizeesh

    The idea of the Horcruxes isn't new. Its as old as 1001 Arabian Nights and the Voyages of Sinbad. The concept of an evil magician hiding pieces of his soul, (or heart occasionally) in strange magical places is a standard bit of Eastern Folklore.

  • June 22, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    James Potter has been ignored so far

    by Drath

    The movies have ignored the evolution of Harry's knowledge about his father almost completley and throughout the series. He was just "Harry's Dad." James Potter's rivalry with Snape, his powers as an animagus, and his role in creating the Marauder's Map (and to a large extent, the closeness of his friendship to Black and Lupin) has been left out of every fucking movie. Would it really be a surprise if they leave out the flash back from Snape's memories? You'd think they'd start building up Snape better given what he does in the next movie...but I'm sure if they do they'll avoid anything at all about James Potter in the process.

  • June 22, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    prior Walter

    by LeviDTinker

    the first couple movies came out one a year<br> then it went a year and a half between movies, <br> usually june/july or november.<br> a novemeber 2008 release for potter #6 would be a year and half after part 5<br>

  • June 22, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Originality

    by starlesswinter

    I have never read the Worst Witch books; in fact, I have never even heard of them. I think, though, that the concept of a magical community living in secret all over the world, a community that has a fully realized culture, all the way from candy to owl communication, floo powder, all the different spells, a government, laws...all that is original. I have never seen such a fully realized world with such unique things (save Lord of the Rings). Have you really seen the Horcrux idea before? Or the idea that such an epic story centers on one night in one house?

  • June 22, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Oh

    by starlesswinter

    Well, I was unaware of that. The closest thing I could think of is Davy Jones. I don't think the general public is aware of soul-splitting either, but I could be wrong.

  • June 22, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Nod to Mythology

    by starlesswinter

    I'm guessing, if the soul idea is a part of mythology, that the Horcrux plot is a nod to mythology, just as many things in Harry Potter are. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is copying; after all, Voldemort is drawn to important things of the past.

  • June 22, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    HARRY POTTER'S ENDING....

    by Err

    What I think will happen:<br><br> Harry's scar is the 7th Horcrux. Voldemort will kill Harry, thus destroying the seventh horcrux. This then allows Neville, who is the other mentioned from the prophecy, to destroy Voldemort once and for all.<br><br> What will probably happen in the book:<br><br> Say good-bye to Hermoine, Hagrid, and Draco (Maybe Ron). Harry kills Voldemort at the cost of many friends and pals.

  • June 22, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Harry will NOT die, there are several reasons why...

    by performingmonkey

    The main reason is that it would be the equivalent of Luke dying at the end of Return of the Jedi or *insert hero character* dying at the end of *insert any story*. OK OK the hero sacrifices himself in SOME stories but I'm afraid this AIN'T IT!! Harry has had a miserable time and his main ambition is simply to LIVE a normal life. If after everything he has been through he was denied that it wouldn't be the correct ending for him. This series WILL have a happy ending (I mean...come ON, of course it will) which means Harry, Ron and Hermione living without a shadow of a doubt and the bad guys getting killed off (Voldemort, Bellatrix), redeemed (Snape, although he will also die, Draco Malfoy will also be redeemed and live) or jailed forever (the remaining Death Eaters). People say 'Harry will die because he needs to be with his parents' that's complete and utter bullshit. By the way, the important character will be KREACHER who they could have cut from this movie. I believe he went with Sirius's brother to take the fake Horcrux. We will see his memory in Deathly Hallows.

  • June 22, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Where the hell is the love for FREDDY THE PIG?

    by Uncle Stan

    Rowling dropped the ball about three books back, but Freddy was golden till the end.

  • June 22, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Good Point...

    by CelticAngel1605

    Whoever said Kreacher was the one they may have thought of eliminating made a VERY good point. Kreacher... well he stows things in his little living quarters, right? Yes, well... he was caught briefly with a locket, the one Molly Weasley found while cleaning and could not open manually or magically (we've all figured THIS one out by now) so we know the locket WAS in Grimauld place, because RAB is Regulas A_____ Black. Here's the problem... before Harry banishes Kreacher to the Kitchen, perhaps Kreacher did something such as help Mundungus Fletcher to take the valuables in Sirius' house. Remember, harry catches him in Hogsmeade selling precious black family heirlooms... well dollars-to-donuts he's either going to sell, is in the posession of, or has already sold the Horcruxe locket and Kreacher has something to do with it. Further more, as far as the deaths go I think Percy Weasley will die protecting one of his siblings to make up for being a jerk to his family. Snape will probably die while distracting Voldemort, giving Harry time to Kill old Voldy.... I could be way off, but I like the odds on those assumptions. Furthermore... Sirius is alive. Someone once asked Jo if she could have five of her own characters to dinner who would they be. At that point only Sirius, Dumbledore, James, and Lilly were important characters who had died... Jo has since stated that neither of Harry's Parents OR Dumbledore will be coming back. They are really dead, however when asked this question, she said "ROn Harry and Hermione" then she paused and (this is paraphrased) said something along the lines of "see this is difficult because I know who's REALLY dead." The only one who can come back is Sirius.... Harry hasn't looked at the two way Mirror since Sirius died...

  • June 22, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Kreacher...

    by starlesswinter

    They have finally released a pictures of what Kreacher will look like in the movie...you can find that here: http://pics.livejournal.com/masterofmystery/pic/006pa8xx Looks pretty awesome to me, even if he might remind people of Gollum a bit...then again, Kreacher has always been a rip-off of Gollum in a way.

  • June 22, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Wait...

    by starlesswinter

    take the space out between the "a" and "s" in the link.

  • June 22, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    cHARACTER THEY WERE GOING TO REMOVE WAS....

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Kretcher, the Black's House Elf. This is WAAAAY old news. They mentioned it on the Harry Potter websites back when HP:OOTP was still in it's first drafts. JK Rowling commented on Kretcher being absolutely critical to the final book... so... there ya have it folks...

  • June 22, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    The Character in question

    by The Chosen

    It's Luna. Bellatrix couldn't be left out because... Well... Her actions are incredibly important mattering another character at the end... And that sort of THING can't be ignored as "artistic liberty". Grawp just seems like a big comic relief. He's obviously candidate to leave the film, but i can't see him being important again. Luna is important. An she has yet to show important things.

  • June 22, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    wow, post deleted

    by Sir Loin

    All I did was agree with pizzatheface about Grint's "Yeah." responses, geez. Why the deletions?

  • June 22, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    ghey ghey ghey

    by hatespeech

    yech

  • June 22, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Harry will die !!!!

    by ludmir88

    and i don't mean harry potter you know.:)

  • June 23, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST

    I like Diana Wynne Jones's books.

    by superninja

    Miyazaki's film version of Howl's Moving Castle unfortunately sucked all of the British charm right out of it. Agreed that Rowling is an ideas person. So is Lucas. Fortunately for Rowling she can create characters and write dialogue. She can also craft a setting that feels like a real place.

  • June 23, 2007, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Grint is a cute kid, but I hope they kill Ron in

    by superninja

    the books. Ron really is the kind of character that can die and give more meaning to the other characters in his death. But if he lives - who cares? Pop out another Weasely. Hee Hee. <p> Hermione is of course destined for greatness and has it together so she will live, albeit a little changed, a little more sad. It would be sad to kill her and her death would cast a gloom that I'm not sure the series could recover from. <p> Harry is sort of up in the air but you'd really have to hate your audience to not give him the chance to live a peaceful life after all he has been through. Even with a melancholy ending if he doesn't get through it the books will feel like they tortured the kid for nothing.

  • June 23, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST

    About that character being left out

    by Archangel7883

    Don't forget they almost didn't sign Gary Oldman to return - wasn't he the absolute latest addition, almost an eleventh hour kind of thing? AS THOUGH SOMEBODY TOLD THEM TO GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER?

  • June 23, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Well....

    by amandaperry123

    I love the books. I know they do not have the best writing as compared with oh, I don't know, the LOTR series for instance, however, JKR keeps us very much intrigued(at least me,anyway). I think she HAS had it planned and to be honest who cares if she has or not? I love the books and the way they are written, the way the characters converse with each other, the hilarious sarcasm that shows in her writing. It all comes together for me as a wonderful series. And that's all that matters. That I like it is good enough for me. We don't need to and shouldn't get caught up in the "she sucks at this" "this book was better" "blah blah blah". You know, whether you like this series or not, the fact that Jo has got a huge number of kids to start loving to read is one of the best accomplishments of Harry Potter.

  • June 23, 2007, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Message to Warner Bros

    by Mr Gorilla

    Yates will need mucho support doing this next movie - it was IMHO the silly time schedule that particularly marred CHAMBER OF SECRETS (the worst of the series, which someone close to the production admits could have brought the whole endeavour to an end). Don't let the guy get nervous exhaustion! That being said, the job the producers have done on 3&4 indicates that they're handling the whole thing very well.

  • June 23, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    6th movie

    by Kizeesh

    Shouldn't be difficult, its the most dialogue heavy and action free film yet. Hell it's practically John Le Carre, in the way in which very little actually happens other than characters talking. Which would be fine, were it not for the fact that it FEELS like the filler it is. Only 2 or 3 events of any significance happen in it, and all occur in the last 3rd of the novel.

  • June 23, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    "...feel like they tortured the kid for nothing."

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    Presumably by the end of book 7 Harry saves the wizarding (and muggle) worlds. That is the opposite of nothing, it's everything; and, well worthy of Harry's death if JK Rowling decides to go that route.

  • June 23, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I spin my funky beats at the PLAYGROUND!!Soul-splitting

    by James_O'Nasty

    There was a Russian myth about an evil wizard who put his soul in a needle which was then put in an egg and several more things, much like a babuschka doll... His name was Koschei, and the hero had to destroy the egg/needle/rabbit combo to kill him in the end.

  • June 23, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Eil soul splitting wizard..

    by Kizeesh

    Wasn't that a Christopher Lee film?

  • June 23, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    ExcaliburFfolkes, I get your point.

    by superninja

    My problem with that is that the books have centrally been all about the personal growth and maturing of Harry. It would be like killing Luke Skywalker instead of Vader at the end of ROTJ.

  • June 23, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I have to say killing Harry WOULD be ballsy

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Superninja above noted that offing Harry would be like killing Luke at the end of ROTJ instead of Vader. But that's not necessarily true. It would only have that "wrong" feeling if you ONLY killed Luke and Vader continued on being bad and whatnot.<p>So, so long as Harry takes down Voldemort and basically "beats evil", I could see him dying in the process. Then just like ROTJ, he's off in ghost-like JediLand reunited with his parents or whatever. It would be a pretty ballsy thing to kill him on Rawling's part -- so that the books literally DO encompass his entire life and he dies young.<p>Then again my bets are on other people. I think Voldemort goes down, Snape, Draco, Hagrid and Ron are lost and Hermione and Harry are left to carry on.<p>Then years from now Rawling can write about them as full-out adults, at which point they can reunite, fight some new evil, get together and get it on...and a new generation pf wizards begins. Ahem!

  • June 23, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Quixote72, WHAT double standard, you tool...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    How the fuck do you get at a "double standard regarding spoilers and the hypocrisy of AICN"? First and foremost, it's a NEWS site -- hence the name "Ain't it Cool NEWS." And, sure, the fun is in talking about a broad range of things overall, but there's nothing that likewise says it should ALWAYS be about spoilers TOO. As a film geek, you can be interested in some advance news (say casting) or seeing some preproduction artwork to get your blood going or interested in hearing how some filming is actually going...but that doesn't mean you ALSO want to know EVERY damn detail in advance so that there's no point left in seeing the final product.<p>For example if your post is right, would it have killed you to simply say *SPOILER* and then type your news? What, let me guess -- you're the type of tool who thinks its great to tell little kids about Santa Clause just because you feel it's your right or it just gives you joy in ruining things for people. But, hey, let me guess -- you feel you did society a higher justice by exposing "hypocrisy", right?

  • June 23, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Don't mind Quixote72

    by Kizeesh

    He's talking out his ass anyway.

  • June 23, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Quixote72 is that kid you

    by JediWuddayaknow

    Quixote72 is that kid you knew in high school who considered himself so enlightened for being rebellious, but just always ended looking like a giant tool. This whole mass posting of that message is just juvenile teenage bullshit.

  • June 23, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Newsflash idiots

    by MovieSamurai

    It's noneother than Gilderoy Lockheart! Author of "Magical Me" and other various titles as well. Take that to the bank

  • June 23, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Mad Eye Moody

    by Barry Egan

    After book 7 comes out, I would love to get a prequel book about Mad Eye Moody.

  • June 24, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Run Time....?

    by Judge Briggs

    Umm, so it's the longest of the books yet it's also the shortest of the movies... I don't like the sound of that especially cause this chapter of the series is so loved...

  • June 24, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Last scene of HARRY POTTER...

    by JackIsLost

    Harry, Hermoine, and Ron sitting in one the restaurants in that village they go on field trips to...eating onion rings. "Don't Stop Believing" playing. Lots of black-cloaked mysterious figures lurking about. Harry looks up, cut to black. The end.

  • June 24, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Nah nah, The Real Last Shot

    by Kizeesh

    Harry is in the top of the Hogwarts clock tower looking out, tied to a chair with Neville sticking his wand in Harry's mouth and saying<p> "3 minutes. This is it, any special words to mark the occasion?"

  • June 24, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Newsflash from 2025

    by themikejonas

    Rupert Grint, former child actor, long since unemployed, arrested for luring hapless British children into his ice cream truck, strangling and then dismembering them, keeping their heads in the truck's freezer as mementoes. Daniel Radcliffe, now working at an S&M club in Manchester, could not be reached for comment.

  • June 25, 2007, 7:18 a.m. CST

    hmmm

    by fgoo6

    I have a few things I would like to comment on in this talkback. First of all the fact that J.K. Rowling 'didn't have HP planned all along' is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard. There are hundreds of postmodern references throughout the whole series. If you take the time to research even some of the names of the main characters you will find that there is a lot of ancient mythology in the HP books. J.K Rowling has obviously researched classic literature and ancient mythology indepth to gain the correct names that she wanted to use for her characters. She has stated that she has read a lot of the classics and these are going to shine through any well read authors work. Not as a plagirist but as someone who wants to honour the work of those long gone and introduce the contemporary audience of computer louts and couch potatoes to history and literature they probably would never think of looking at. I'm getting ahead of myself, back to the planning. Look at the way she has used the anagram of Tom Marvolo Riddle into I am Lord Voldemort. This is pre-planning, she knew that Lord Voldemort once was Tom Riddle, but doesn't tell us this until the 2nd book. Other examples of her mastery have been already noted and I do not need to bore people by re-stating them. There are many hidden things that have come out as the books progress that is not just 'sheer dumb luck' as Prof. McGonagall puts it in PS/SS Movie. Any author has a 'plan' but the bits that go in between take just a little bit more brain power. Why do you think J.K. Rowling decided to take us through seven years at Hogwarts rather than the mandatory 5 years that British students go through in education? Because she already knew that Voldemort had created 7 horcruxes, that 7 would be detailed as the most important magical number. I think J. K. Rowling even notes somewhere that the last chapter of Book seven has been written for quite sometime. She knows everything about her world. If Tolkien had told us that LOTR had been planned years before the ROTK would people have said, 'No, you can't plan something that complex'. Well thats your answer right there isn't it. Everyone must see that the HP series is highly complex, not in its actual storytelling factor but by the way of the twists and turns and intertwining stories that will all be rounded up in the final installment. On to my next bug bear... Somewhere in the posts there is a comment that states that book 5 and 6 don't have a plotline. Well I think you will find that these series are meant to be read as a series. You would definately find it hard to pick up book 4 and get the gist of what is going on. So if anyone disagrees with this, here is my argument. Would you be able to pick up ROTK from LOTR series and understand the plotline? Just one big fight really, well what's that all about? When an author writes a series they intend for them to be read as a SERIES, we are not talking about the adventures of Enid Blyton's Famous Five where each book is separate, I mean there 21 of those. And by the way, she has been labelled as a great storywriter and J.K. Rowling lives up to her standards if not surpasses them. I digress, books 5 and especially 6 are intended as a prequel and the first half of the end. Books 6 and 7 have been noted to be one book split into 2 halves. I am assuming therefore that the first chapter of DH will not happen too long after DD's funeral. The 'fluff' as it has been called that fills some of the books is there for a reason. This relates back to my first argument, where things that have been briefly mentioned will come into play in the last book. Grawp has to be there for a reason, he can't just be comic relief, he will have some part in the final book. Wormtail's history with the Maurader's will come into play with the life debt he owes Harry. I am confident that everything will fall into place. As for the repetitiveness of the series I think you'll find that all heroes have encounters with their nemesis before their final confrontation, as this makes the FINAL battle more entertaining. If Harry had met Voldemort for the first time in DH then there would be uncertainess in what our hero is meeting. Although he has met him in different forms on 4 occasions in 6 books. Both Voldemort and HP now have an understanding of each other and are aware of certain strengths and weaknesses. I think if they hadn't met, then this first and fianl fight would be an anti climax to the meeting of the pair. Ok onto the next... 'Children's books' <----- erm ok. Back in 1997, J.K. Rowling, after much hard work managed to get her first work published. Her audience at that time would have been 7+ years. Through this and her second book she managed to captivate the mothers and fathers of these children. So with a so called children's book she entertained the older generation. It is now 2007, 10 years later. The children that were lucky enough to have first editions of PS/SS are now 17+, J.K. Rowling has developed and adapted her writing technique to age with that of her initial target audience. Each book becomes darker and darker with death, romance and politics creeping further in with every book. Yet she has the creative style that allows the new 7year olds to still enjoy the lastest adventure of Harry Potter. This is the work of a very talented writer, to change the style so that young and old are able to get enjoyment yet understand completely different notions. This takes me back to how she intertwines references to ancient mythology and classic literature into her work. Those of us that are well educated and have degrees in English Literature and Ancient Mythology are able to see how well J. K. Rowling uses names of characters she has come across and take their name for her characters.Now this is not 'copying' or plagirism this is a form of postmoderninsm. In works all around us we will see little bits of others, everyone has an influence and it is hard not to give credit to these authors within our work. For example, the three headed dog is a character who guards the gateway to Hades (christian Hell) in Ancient Greek mythology. In PS/SS Fluffy is guarding a trapdoor down into a hell of puzzles that could very likely lead to your death. Another example is the name of the head of the gryfindor house - Minerva. Minerva is a Roman goddess who is very wise. Sounds a lot like our Professor. J.K. Rowling has not only looked at myths and literature she has used nature also. The wood which makes each characters wand has meaning also. Harry's wan is made from Holly (Holy?) and Voldemort's is made from that of a Yew Tree, also known as the tree of death which is grown in Graveyards. Going back to the theory that J.K. Rowling fluked the whole success of the HP series and makes up the fact that she planned the books this way, Hermione's wand wood was chosen at random, yet when she looked up the wood's meaning it fitted exactly with Hermione's personality. She has admitted this fluke so why would she not admit others??? The Russian myth of a split soul I have not come across but as soon as I have finished this rant I am going to look it up and it is highly interesting that there is another bit of cultural history J. K Rowling has included in her work. And by the way, the locking up of things inside each other...doesn't this remind you of the hest which Moody was kept prisoner, of which I might remind you there were 7 locks! The point that some people who have posted on here have only seen the films then feel they can comment on the books appalls me. To say she is not a great writer because the films are poor is stupid. Most book adaptations are very poor, only a few really ever get it right. Don't get me started on POA! These films have taken a lot of the background info out that is not entirely relevant. Some things that make the story what it is, can only be read and not transcribed into a film. I say to these people, read the books and do not judge an authors writing on something that he did not even write. Steve Kloves is the screenplay writer. As for people not caring about the final film as they will know the ending...erm did we know the ending for the Titanic, and what about LOTR trilogy, that had been written a long time before the film was made, we all knew what happened there! My final point...'why don't the books start at highschool?' Well if you realise HP is set in UK, and there isn't a highschool here. We start education in Secondary school at the ge of 11, this lasts 5 years until 16. You can then choose to continue at college until the age of 18. 11-16 is OWLS, 16-18 are NEWTS. So where would you have JK Rowling start? Half way through his school years or fit the whole story into 2 years? Please have knowledge of something before you try to pull it apart in a pathetic attempt to ruin these things for the hundreds of thousands of fans. And with J K Rowling being one of the richest women in the world, I think those that disagree are relatively jealous of her fame and her artistic ability to enchant all ages