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J2theB Doesn't Want To LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD!!
Merrick again...
This is all really depressing.
There's not much more that I can say about this film that hasn't already been said in intros to previous reviews.
I fucking love DIE HARD - as a filmmaking attitude, and as a mythos - and I keep waiting for love to pour in for the new sequel.
Alas, it doesn't seem to be happening. Evidenced by this new look at the movie from J2theB (sounds like a George Lucas droid).
Here's his review...
Hi there...
Never written in before but such is my aching disappointment with this I feel obliged to put pen to paper. I clocked DH4 at the UK premiere last night. Les Wiseman, Bruce Willis et al were there to introduce it. Readers will be pleased to know that BW made a joke over the absence of "cursing" in the movie, to be fair that was the least of its problems.
Everything about it, bar one or two action set pieces (the tunnel scene in particular is pretty darned good), felt utterly derivative. Where JJ Abrahams made a decent stab of re-vamping the MI formula in MI3, Len Wiseman was clearly not up to this challenge. The claims Len made that they took the key elements of the franchise and updated them is simply not true. It felt like an extended episode of 24, it moves at pace but at the expense of logic or any meaningful characterization.
Whilst there are some self-referential nods to lift shafts, basements and walkie talkie banter with bad guys it all lacks grit, any sense of realism or any real tension. Indeed the dialogue is shockingly hokey (Kevin Smith is no actor by the way), the acting (as opposed to the action) poorly directed and the lines delivered awkwardly, almost to the point you actually feel a little embarrassed about it. The cyber geek side kick has a paint by numbers story arc, when he is not explaining the plot to the audience he is subjected to "What it means to be a hero" lectures from Bruce which come out of nowhere and are said with little provocation.
It seems they kept the intelligence levels proportionate to the movie's PG rating, which is totally unacceptable when this film has an adult fan base.
The villain who is supposed to be a logistical genius does some utterly stupid things and lacks any gravitas. The villains of the previous DHs felt like men, this guy felt like a boy and you don't send a boy to take on the Bruce.
The plot devices involving Bruce's daughter were perhaps the most shamefully unimaginative, in fact the whole way she was crow barred into the story line to increase the non-existent emotional tension was cringe worthy. When she is kidnapped she acts like a real hard ass for no other reason than she is John Mclanes daughter, it feels utterly unrealistic. Think back to when Holly was kidnapped in DH 1, she plotted and schemed with cunning guile to escape. Well in this replace "guile" with "head butting terrorists" and you have a fair idea of the film's idea of sophistication.
And since when was cyber terrorism every exciting? War Games probably, Enemy of the State just about, but this misses the target time after time. Wow they turn the traffic lights all to green and cause traffic mayhem (save when Bruce needs a car of course then the streets are empty), they turn off the power, they steal bank account numbers - yawn yawn yawn
It has been said before and I will say it again, explosions and glossy production values do not an action movie make. It should not be assumed that an audience will automatically suspend their disbelief or turn off their brains simply because they are promised big bangs and plenty of them
I hate to bitch coz I love Bruce and he does deliver some killer lines in this (some of which were right on the edge of racially prejudicial) but it is utter MTV, teen age, diet coke, Bad Boys II, Michael Bay bollocks from start to finish. Its the Godfather III of die hards ..... and then some as a great man once said.
J2theB
Never written in before but such is my aching disappointment with this I feel obliged to put pen to paper. I clocked DH4 at the UK premiere last night. Les Wiseman, Bruce Willis et al were there to introduce it. Readers will be pleased to know that BW made a joke over the absence of "cursing" in the movie, to be fair that was the least of its problems.
Everything about it, bar one or two action set pieces (the tunnel scene in particular is pretty darned good), felt utterly derivative. Where JJ Abrahams made a decent stab of re-vamping the MI formula in MI3, Len Wiseman was clearly not up to this challenge. The claims Len made that they took the key elements of the franchise and updated them is simply not true. It felt like an extended episode of 24, it moves at pace but at the expense of logic or any meaningful characterization.
Whilst there are some self-referential nods to lift shafts, basements and walkie talkie banter with bad guys it all lacks grit, any sense of realism or any real tension. Indeed the dialogue is shockingly hokey (Kevin Smith is no actor by the way), the acting (as opposed to the action) poorly directed and the lines delivered awkwardly, almost to the point you actually feel a little embarrassed about it. The cyber geek side kick has a paint by numbers story arc, when he is not explaining the plot to the audience he is subjected to "What it means to be a hero" lectures from Bruce which come out of nowhere and are said with little provocation.
It seems they kept the intelligence levels proportionate to the movie's PG rating, which is totally unacceptable when this film has an adult fan base.
The villain who is supposed to be a logistical genius does some utterly stupid things and lacks any gravitas. The villains of the previous DHs felt like men, this guy felt like a boy and you don't send a boy to take on the Bruce.
The plot devices involving Bruce's daughter were perhaps the most shamefully unimaginative, in fact the whole way she was crow barred into the story line to increase the non-existent emotional tension was cringe worthy. When she is kidnapped she acts like a real hard ass for no other reason than she is John Mclanes daughter, it feels utterly unrealistic. Think back to when Holly was kidnapped in DH 1, she plotted and schemed with cunning guile to escape. Well in this replace "guile" with "head butting terrorists" and you have a fair idea of the film's idea of sophistication.
And since when was cyber terrorism every exciting? War Games probably, Enemy of the State just about, but this misses the target time after time. Wow they turn the traffic lights all to green and cause traffic mayhem (save when Bruce needs a car of course then the streets are empty), they turn off the power, they steal bank account numbers - yawn yawn yawn
It has been said before and I will say it again, explosions and glossy production values do not an action movie make. It should not be assumed that an audience will automatically suspend their disbelief or turn off their brains simply because they are promised big bangs and plenty of them
I hate to bitch coz I love Bruce and he does deliver some killer lines in this (some of which were right on the edge of racially prejudicial) but it is utter MTV, teen age, diet coke, Bad Boys II, Michael Bay bollocks from start to finish. Its the Godfather III of die hards ..... and then some as a great man once said.
J2theB
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that would be cool
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or something - unfortunately..
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So DIE HARD 4 sucks? It was doomed the second Len Wiseman was hired.
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Sad but true.
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duh.
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Buy a ticket for anything else and sneak in. Or better, just don't go. No more movie star lies and no more pussy PG-13 bullshit. It's time to stand up.
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I agree. This abortion should never have even been made.
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I don't buy it - everything, aside from the ratings bitching, has been fairly positive. This is the first bad thing I've heard from people who have SEEN it.
If this movie fails, the series dies. I'd much rather have a world with Jon McClane in it than not. -
but not one liners. Thanks Ben Stiller show.- I'm ready for "Die Hard 12, Die Hungry."
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Yes it may very well suck and I'm bracing myself for that, but you may want to take reviews like this with a grain of salt. Anyone who bashes how it's too MTV, but uses "coz" in place of "because" in the same sentence shouldn't be taken too seriously.
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is very sad cause i just know we wont get that kind of electric chemistry between bruce and anyone in the fourth film - and you guys can see first hand what a great scene that was - it would have been shit if the fucks and shits were substituted with 'darns' or 'craps'
damn i cant believe they took over 10 years to do a DIE HARD sequel and they came up with a pg13 cyber thriller without any of the supporting casts of the previous films
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had the red and green crossing figures start fighting each other.
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I had to do it.
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We'll have to wait for a 60-year-old Bruce Willis claiming the dissapointment over the results of Live Free or Die Hard so he can pull a Die Hard 5? Anybody wanna bet that eight years from now Willis will commit to a no-holds-barred talkback at aintitcoolnews.com? "I didn't want to leave the franchise with a sad note", he'll say. McTiernan, you are expected back anytime. Fuck young Hollywood!
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I know we all love the first one, but come on! We've seen two sequels that have some good points but on the whole are not worthwhile films. Stop letting the studio and Walter B manipulate us into thinking that we owe them something for the original and only DIE HARD. I'm going to see that big stupid killer robot movie everybody's talking about instead.
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Just saw it today and sent my review to Mori. It's not it's WAY better than anthing I've seen this summer.
As to the the villian (Oliphant) uttering a few stupid lines/ Which one's were those? They can't be any worse than Col. Stewart and his stupid speeches. -
I await Vern's review. He is my guru.
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If only pal, Bad Boys 2, whilst being no masterpiece and way too long, had swearing and bloody violence aplenty. The parkour shot was awesome in this clip, and you all fucking know it.
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Nah nah na-na-nah! Yippie-kay-ay motherhumpers!!
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that's what I think of this guy's review. I sat with a theater full of movie critcs and most I talked to said they liked it. first oe all, there were no REAL details in his review. I hate that shit. second, you gotta be my grandmother to not have dug that fight scene with Mari Q. One thing that came to me after I sent the review to Mori was that I wish the next one would be a more claustrophobic. it needs to be scaled back down. Like to a hospiital of something.
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...of the theatres.
"I hate Die Hard 4!" -
I'm curious. What was the crowd reaction like.
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that's the funniest thing I've read all day! lol.
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I mean who pays the movie tickets? the adult people right? so R was the real thing not PG 13. I saw it coming the rating it's important.
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this movie is DOOMED. If there is ONE FUCKING GENRE that the critics don't get, it's action movies.
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Where is the fucking logic in that? Brassai are you bruce willis in disguise?...lol
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Must have been a bad day for you, but thanks anyway ;)
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how about DH5 in the vatican. Like this lame scene in Mi3, but with better direction, actors, screenplay... Because Live Free looks a lot like Mission Impossible 4. And that's not a good sign. Not in my book.
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I think I'm going to stick to PC, thanks to the Mac kid.
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Someone is not making sense.
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Godfather 3 is not that bad.......I mean compared to the other two its total shit but as films goes it is not awful. So I only have Bourne to look forward too...I really wanted a adult action flick (DAMN!!!)
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Directed by Eli "piracy killed my movie" Roth. The movie will open with a flashback to the Nakatomi Towers from the POV of a dog and culminate in a duel to the death by two female German wrestlers called Olga and Otis.
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That made that review. Why wasn't a Broderick the sidekick in this, playing the same character... :D
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It's very sad that a genreration is defined by such negativity. I often have to fight my better judgement to come in here and give my two cents, but in the hopes that Harry might see this and perhaps clean up his house, I dare. A once great site has degraded into a continuing deluge of bile spewing hacks. Even some of the "writers" for this site come off as opiners as apposed to critics. and what ever happened to fact checking? there is nothing to indicate that this guy actually saw this movie, it's full of vagueness and generalizations. I suspect he is one of the many of this generations "diseased" who troll here to spew hatred for this director or that director with no real passion for the truth. I recently had a real world encounter with some youths that very well could have been from these talk back halls, at Spider Man 3 with said youths giving commentary through out the movie. It' would have bothered me less if what they were saying wasn't just so stupid. I mean come on, at least be funny. Emo this, ugly that. I of course had to address this afterwards and unfortunately went from 0-60 in 6 second, threatening physical violence on these kids. I truely regret this because it taught them nothing. This may seem a pointless rant but I'll Splain... no I'll sum up, Live Free or Die Hard may suck I don't know but the fever pitch with which this site cultivates director assassination just hit a nerve. You youths will attempt to respond with your "witty" reparte but don't I won't be here and I won't respond. Harry, big fan good luck with all your work and wedding.
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if that movie is R then it still will be better than this one..lol
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Tell me Die Hard 4 is better than that at least.
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When the fuck did MI 3 become good.
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That's so wrong.
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this flick. Hard R that flick, lots of swearing and corrupt cops and claustrophopic surroundings.
BTW I never thought I'd praise the comments of anyone called "WeinerPenis" but I have to admit his comments were spot on - it's not so much the 'Yippee Kay Ayy' thingie its the overall swearing and how it *ties* in with McLanes *attitude* - you are so right brotha.
Fuck Tom Rothman and Fox's puritan sensibilities. They coulda dubbed in lots of swear words and reshot or shot a new R-rated sequence. This PG rating is gonna hurt them they way a sanitized ROBOCOP III hurt the series, the way a sanitized BEVERLY HILLS COP III (set in an amusement park) hurt the series, the way a PG ALIEN VS PREDATOR killed off any future R rated ALIEN or PREDATOR films or remakes.
Can't wait for the PG remake of THE FRENCH CONNECTION from Fox starring John C. Reilly as Popeye Doyle. Tards these Fox people... -
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What else would u like? Would u like to have just a bunch of drones up here accepting everything hollywood has given us. Something like that would completely be emotionless and boring. I've been coming to this site for a very long time and I really appreciate the raw opinions on here. I don't agree with them all the time but sometimes u can't take shit lying down. Hollywood has been putting out mediocre fair for years if not decades, some may argue there hasn't been a great film that geeks appreciate since Empire (with exception to LOTR). I understand your point but i thnk the alternative is much worse. I say speak up and let these people know they're fucking up hollywood. -
I'm still angry the title isn't Die Hard 4ever.
Die Hard with a Vengeance is easily one of the best action flicks of the 90's. Also one of the few times where a 3rd movie redeems after a sub-par second. -
Yeah, that happens. One my friends used to to that in NYC. get paid by and opposing ad firm to send out bad press.
I mean c'mon, the above review had ZERO details in it. At least if you're going to trash something give us something to say you saw it. Like WeinerPenis's review. THAT's a review, like it or hate it. -
i WISH I was BW, or even working for Fox then I wouldn't have to sit at this fucking desk putting a butter knife through my head slowly
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but at least it wasn't a sycophantic one of the flora type.
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1. the director 2. the script 3. his costars.
I mean I would expect someone of Willis' calibre to have that kind of vetoing power over script, co stars and directors.
I love Willis/Walter B, but man anyone reading that script would know it was not R material.
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but intellegent remarks deserve reponse but I mean it this is my last. sokitome, I agree with your sentement regarding wanting to hold Hollywood to a higher standard but I don't believe that's what goes on in here. I also would have to say there have been many wonderful geek and un-geek movies since Empire. Peace.
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I wonder if there is reference to Holly at all. I'm gonna have such a low expectation for this movie. Hopefully I'll like it... cause who are we fooling we all bitch. but this movie will be #1 and they'll think the Pg13 isn't a bad thing. fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck............ Does anyone else miss Holly? *acts like John Mclane at the end of DH2* "HOLLY!.... HOLLY!"
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We are all fanboy/geeks approaching middle age. We are not the obnoxious tards that you see in theaters fiddling with their mobiles, talking to the screen, etc. We are as frustrated as you over those issues brotha but we are tired of seeing FOX dumb down and defecate on franchises we loved and grew up with (ALIENS, PREDATOR, DIE HARD etc).
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Sniff...I used to believe that... get Shia LaBouef on the phone...
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yeah, there's a few Holly referances in the film. it stick to the canon.
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no. if you watch the film and are loking for it, you can see where "fuck" was taken out. If fucking cocksucking Fox would have left it alone it would have been fine. I cannot blame BW on this one. This stuff looked to have been done in post production.
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as a villain than Olyphant.
How the hell do you go from Alan Rickman to Robert Sadler/Franco Nero to Jeremy Irons to Timothy Olyphant.
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Bruce Willis could've told Fox: "Listen assholes, if you sanitize the flick and turn it into an airline version, I wont do your fucking press and global media blitz shit." Trust me, Fox would have backed down VERY quickly.
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McShane would have fucking rocked. At least BW fought with Col. Stewart (This is it McClane, the main event!)
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Seriously, Spider-Man 3, Pirates 3, 28 Days, Shrek 3, and now Die Hard? Okay, I gotta admit, FF2 was kind of fun, as much as I wanted to hate it.
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let's hope this flop convinces the fuckers at fox to release an R rated version on dvd
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see, that's not how it works at my screening was a film editorw ho worked close to the project because it was filmed in B-more where he's from. Wiseman PLANNED and Shot an R film.the fucking fuck fuck studio MADE them trim it down to a PG-13 about a month ago. it's out of the star's hands after that. As much as i dug this film, I hope it tanks just to teach Fux a lesson
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Bruce Willis as Walter B here told us a few weeks ago that the cut turned into the MPAA was not edited and got a PG13 - maybe that was Walter spin?
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although Bayformers may rip some money away from it. It's a snazzy little popcorn flick that kids will go to see because they don't any better and Fox will have been justified in making this generic crap - the same as Pirates 2& 3, FF2, etc.
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FOX will be demanding not only a PG 13 certificate, but also an emo theme for the next one; expect McClane to be wearing eye-liner and a black wife-beater. It'll be called "Cry Hard" - directed by Sam Raimi. And the soundtrack will be provided by "Taking Back Sunday".
Sgt. Al Powell: "That's right, McClane. let it all out, old buddy. Holly ain't ever comin' back. No harm in crying or cuttin' yourself."
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this movie isn't that bad. I'm pretty sure it will be entertaining.
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(nice name for a person condemning negativity), I will say all this talkback vitriol would be good if it actually made an impact -- which it doesn't. If our opinion actually mattered, Spiderman would have mechanical web-shooters, Batman would have a cloth suit, Optimus would have solid colors, the Shire would have been scoured in theaters and Superman wouldn't have been "emo." That isn't the case though. The "geek" opinion only seems to control how many times 5th Element gets released on DVD.
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I want "Tears Of The Sun II" set in Iraq or Afghanistan".
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i don't thnk this is gonna come near what fox needs or wants it too. i thnk there's been alot of bad press about the ratings and too much competition this summer. I really don't seeing it do well. In my old age i've come down to only seeing 1 or 2 movies a summer. Me my other old buddies were planning on seeing this one (that's 10 of us by the way $100 gone from fox) but now it's not gonna happen and i know im not the only one
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HOW IS THERE ANY DEBATE ABOUT THIS FILMS WORTH? HOLY GOD WHO CARES IF ITS PG13??? UNDERWORLD ISN'T THE RED FLAG TO YOU?
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That movie was underated. That was the Bruce we all love.
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That's my favourite kind! Yes; that even includes the dreaded Double-H.
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Shut up, pay your money, enjoy. Fuckin' wankers would complain about a BJ from
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i still dont get that. they made a comic about a guy who's biten by a radioactive spider. he gaines their abilities, agilites and even spidey sense but the one thing a spider is known for, he cant even do? was stan lee high when he created this? lol i mean at least the movies (and that 2099 comic first) were smart enough to realize it made sense he'd shoot his own web. what's next, a man gets bitten by a radioactive bird but cant fly? i realize "fanboys" are obsessed with their comics and shit and want it to be true to that but come on.
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yeah i would complain cuz she's still got the load from rothman and murdoch in her mouth.
"shut up, pay your money, enjoy"...umm no, you drone. -
of course.
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stan lee didn't do it like that cuz if it was really like a spider then peter would be shooting webs out of his ass or his belly button not his wrists.
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One good weekend and it shall tank. -
Charles Bronson (bless you Joe Leydon) not fucking SPIDERMAN.
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HAHAHA I LAUGHED AND LAUGHED. Ok seriously, Heckles post above followed by the post from Bouncy X is funny. I think I'll be hanging on to my money when Die Flaccid comes out.... unless I am convinced otherwise and/or have ab so lutely nothing else to do.
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After kicking ass and taking names in Deadwood, he gets passed over for stuff like Iron Man which he would have been perfect for, and ends up in crap like this, and what looks to be more crap like The Hitman...You're an awesome actor dude, learn from Clooney and don't just collect paychecks (like he's listening, I know).
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Looks sorta O.K. Nothing great. Oh, well. Let's hope Harry Potter redeems this summer.
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Transformers is going to blow this away because it has 100% more Shia LaBeouf than this movie.
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If you haven't seen Crank, pick it up and skip Live Free. That flick is psychotic action candy. It sucks about Live Free, but I agree with whoever said the first warning was they picked the director of Underworld. Yeah, I dug the trailer but I'm not gonna waste money and time on it after all the negative press. I had a feeling it was going to be weak, and looks like it's true. To the Netflix que it goes! Too bad but this is Fox so no surprise there. Fuck you Rothman.
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Is fucking dire. Jesus that movie sucks the Devil's cock clean off. I'd rather share a flat with Bette Midler and Diane Keaton for a month than sit through that atrocious piece of leopard faeces again. Fuck Statham. Fucking fuck that dick! I hope he dies in a hideous disembowling incident. Arrrrrfggfgghghhhhh!!!!! Sorry... I really didn't care for that particular film.
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WeinerPenis, you obviously don't remember little Lucy McClane from the first Die Hard. The words "Come home." mean nothing to you?
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That was the die hard action geek in me killing himself
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pretending that Die Harder and Die Hard 3 were any good? Okay, the YouTube scene was pretty unique and intense, but generally, Die Hard 3 was not that special. The Die Hard sequels were about as far off the mark from their original as Temple of Doom and Last Crusade were from the original Raiders.
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great in The Girl Next Door
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is that Bruce admitted to watching Underworld Evolution with his daughters, and seeing that tipped his desire to want Wiseman to direct DH4. Wha and huh? You've worked with Tarantino, Shamalambadingdong at his best, Benton, even Blake Edwards and there was something that you saw in Underworld Evolution that sold you on Wiseman?
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-FUCK BRUCE WILLIS
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I heard the title and assumed it was a gay porn.
I skipped it but it might be something "finky089" might enjoy. PS. It there s public service message at the start of the film that lets us know that not people from former soviet block countries and white skinned people from europe are not terrorist, and most a good hard working americans like you and I. Hey 24 had to do something like that. -
...Reginald Vel Johnson! He said, "Thank God I won't be associated with this sinking turd! Anyone have some Twinkies?"
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It's not his fault that Wiseman is a shit director. And don't blame him for trying to sell his movie either, you're supposed to believe in yourself and your work.
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that movie sucked, and transporter 2 was one of the worse movies i have ever seen in my life. Statham is a good action actor that has made some shitty movies.
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SHITTT! they should let QT direct the fifth and final DIE HARD. (have his wife a lrge part too) hell, i bet QT could come up with a better villian.and VERY rated R. very.
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he went and let QT write and direct Die Hard 5 and he does Unbreakable 2 w/ M. Night
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.one of the clever pluses of the original was taking holiday tunes and working them in as tense dramatic music. Does this at least attempt that?
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why does everyone write "truely" instead of "truly" now? up until last year, I taught essay writing for high school and colleg age kids. some of the college kids were only a few years younger than me, but they ALL write "truely" or "truley" every time. it looks so ridiculous to me, I can't imagine writing it. but so many of them did, you did, lots of other people on this site have...what's the deal?
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Bad boys 2 finished its theatrical run with a world wide gross of $273,339,556 = proof that R rated sequels to 1995 action films that feature A list stars as gun blazing cops can be profitable. Sadly those 20th century fucks foolishly thought otherwise....Im gonna go and watch die hard again.....
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Ack! Every one knew this would happen! The first Die Hard was made, released and received in a different social and political climate (one where people didn't have HUGE STICKS UP THEIR ASSES!)
A good Die Hard sequel would have been one that didn't feel like a Die Hard movie. (Bruce in Vegas on a bender when terrorists are plotting to destroy Vegas, Bruce on vacation in Bali or someplace where Muslim terrorists hold everyone hostage on a small island, or anything different and topical with a director that isn't 15 years old. For that matter have Walter Hill, Larry Cohen or Albert Pyun direct one. If a big studio is behind a big movie like Die Hard, it is usually going to suck. That said, with such low expectations chances are every one will enjoy it for what it is. -
Willis never disappeared, he just did smaller movies for a while. There's alot of factors that can contribute to a movie turning out bad, and it almost never rests on one person's shoulders alone. Did Willis really choose Wiseman, or did the studio hire him and Willis is just trying to be a gentleman and make the best of it? Willis has had a track record of choosing good roles with good directors, it just seems odd that his first big studio film in a while has a terrible director attached.
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hahaahahahaaha
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All thoses dvd sales there's a market there.... could even release it in hd-dvd
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A little off topic but seriously, fuck that cunt. I’ve read school reports from 12 year olds that were more informative and balanced than anything that fucking pretentious dick has ever written. And fuck Ayn Rand too.*squeezes stress ball*
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No the other one, and he told me if you have any respect, or love, for the sheer joyful brilliance of the original, you have to skip this one...
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that there is a pg-13 die hard movie I'm gonna cry like only a man can.
Thank the sweet lord Jesus for Sly Stallone and John motherfuckin Rambo.
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Download Free or Rent Hard
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What's with youtube clips of awful movies at the bottom of reviews?
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that a movie with no cursing, multiple piece of shit blue screen shots, and jimmy fallons brother as the sidekick sucks? im there opening day! yippie kay yay my friend!
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You bunch of fuckin' asswipe 'tards. This should have been the hardest R ever. Studio censorship has FUCKED this industry in the face.
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I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the Bruce Willis Q & A had gone ahead. Firstly, Harry would have posted several glowing reviews, and no negative ones. Secondly, everyone in the talkbacks would have copied Harry's sycophancy by craawling up Willis's ass with tongue extended. There's even precedent - that's exactly what happened with Rocky Balboa. I mean, RB wasn't nearly as shit as it could have been. I actually didn't mind it, and quite enjoyed it to a point. But lets face it, it wasn't a fucking patch on the original. It was *OK*, and *better than expected*. But it was just a pale imitation of the first one, that hit a few correct notes and left everyone pleasantly suprised that it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be. And that's all this film is going to be. The difference is that Bruce Willis hasn't given you people your pound of flesh, and that has provoked you into this extreme vitriol. You people are just as bad as Harry - you're just as sycophantic, just as shallow, and just as childish. It's a pity you can't see it.
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The fact that I've never been able to enjoy a Die Hard movie on the big screen. Unlike some people here, I had to view the vast majority of the movies I saw as a kid via video, and I for one wanted to see how a new Die Hard would be like on the big screen.That, sadly, was also the reason why I went and saw Freddy vs. Jason. I remember back when new videos cost like over a hundred bucks to buy (Goldeneye for instance) and that made it where it was cheaper to see it on the big screen. Also, it took forever for films to get to video, not anymore. That's why I'm going to wait around four or five months to see this when it hits Divda.
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Until it became a Rocky Movie at the end... As a film about growing old, about losing people you love, about the courage it takes to keep going every single day no matter what life throws at you, it was a fine film, and it give great closure to the whole character arc of Rocky. You could tie the character directly to the original Rocky and it felt like the same character all those years later. Something the other sequels didn't really manage.
However the Rocky stuff, the computer fight, the new champion and the big ending fight didn't work, because they never could work.
I gained much respect for Stallone because of that movie and by his candid answers to the TB questions (chicken grease and Richard Gere).
The difference here was that Rocky Balboa was a personal project to Stallone, he struggled to get it financed, he put his heart and soul into the movie as writer, director and star. I have utmost respect for Willis and his body of work, but this was just a chance for him to get a big paycheck, maybe it will be the last big one he ever gets, maybe it will relaunch his leading action star career. Whichever way it goes there was no true love and passion in the project, not from anyone, it was a pure money making exercise. -
than ALL of DH4. How the fuck does this Len Weissman guy keep getting work? And MOST of all... how the fuck did he bag Kate Beckinsdale?
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All good points, well made. But I would say that Stallone was hoping that RB would kickstart his career, in the same way that Willis is hoping LFODH will kick start his. And to an extent RB has brought him back into the public eye, although it remains to be seen to what extent he can capitalize on it. But if Stallone could have taken $30m + points for RB he would have done. I do grant you Stallone is a film-maker, but he has an even more patchy track record than Len Wiseman, and he's never been averse to taking a paycheck and phoning it in on a shit film - in frankness he's much worse than Willis where that's concerned. Credit where credit's due though, RB was a good film as far as it went, and it was 2 hours that I didn't regret for a moment. PS : - Great name Alonzo, from a great film :)
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Wait till they remake that movie... Then I may just explode... And yes Stallone made some utter crap to pick up a paycheck, in fact far more than Willis, you are correct... But in its own way RB was a way to rectify it, to give his creation the send-off he felt it deserved. McClane made Willis the huge star he became, but he seems content to bring him back for a PG-13 generic action flick in the 'style' of Die Hard...
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that Bruce came on AICN to shill something that I don't believe he really thinks is a good film. I can live with DH4 being shit but why did Bruce have to betray us!
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You know it's what we are all waiting for!
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What the fuck are these idiots thinking by toning down a fucking Die Hard movie? These movies are not meant for the MTV crowd (yet we got an MTV version of a Die Hard film) for Christ's sake. Seriously, what fucking retard gave the green light to a toned down/soccer mom version of Die Hard? If I had their job we would have had at least 37 yippie kai yay mother fuckers and tons of gratuitous violence,smart characters (not MTV characters)and bad attitudes everywhere on the screen. I AM DISGUSTED.
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My DVD collection will probably only feature the first and third Die Hard movies. I couldn't get into the second one since it seemed to be a complete rehash of the first, and the latest Die Hard movie appears to be extremely missable.
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There was no point in making this PG-13 when that was NEVER the intended audience for Die Hard and it's competing against two other PG-13 films with huge buzz (Transformers, Harry Potter). It might have a decent opening weekend, but it will quickly fizzle out when the robots and Harry come to theaters.
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No surprise here. This film really smells like shit.
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FUCKING TERRORISTs DON'T HATE US FOR OUR FUCKING FREEDOMS... Damnit, hate that misleading notion so much...
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Like someone said, it's one powerful word. And yes, willis could have said NO. After all, didn't Thomas fuckin' Jane say NO to a lame Punisher 2?
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Len Wiseman is a second-unit director. He should be sent to shoot some sequences. He does not know how to make a movie. That's why he fits in Hollyweird today. They all clip sequences from other movies together.
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It seemed to work for Ashton Kutcher all right! Ba-dum-dum! Thank you very much! I'm here all week! Try the shrimp!
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when it comes to the next Jane Austen adaptation. Not Die Hard. Unless they're Wright & Pegg. So what's next? Die Hard 5: Die Hard: “For He Who Lives More Lives Than One - More Deaths Than One Must Die...Hard.": Die Hardest
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You want them spending money on price items.
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This is going to be the watered down version of die hard. Diabetic women will love it. DIET HARD.
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Probably comments directed at Maggie Q. Ah Asians, racism's silent punching bag.
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Why didn't they get fucking Theo from the first die hard?
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I'll cut you til you bleed out and speak no more, cunt.
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is one of the ballsiest scenes ever in a major summer studio release. Something we definately won't be getting on June 27.
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Period.
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LIES. BETTER THAN THE 1ST? HOW ABOUT, BETTER THAN LIGHTNING JACK?
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and it said LFODH isn't a pimple on the ass of DIE HARD, MOTHER-FU(gunshot).
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Tons of you guys are wasting him based on another guy's review. Go see the movie, rent it, download it, whatever, but don't condamn the man until you have actually SEEN it.
As for Kevin Smith totally uncalled comments on the Walter B proof, he is just some balding, fat nerd trying to play it cool and not being one of the sads because he write and direct and hangs out with stars. But at heart, Kevin Smith is the king of nerds. -
Whereas Willis is the prince of cool.
Also give Walter some slack, like many people who work in the industry for a year or two on a project, he surely, would have liked it to be great, and while it was not totally done, I imagine it could. Wait for the unrated DVD to see that Walter was right -
Jun 22, 2007 2:29:32 AM CDT
I'm not sure why people are surprised Willis lied
by franklin t marmoset
All actors shill their films in the run up to their release. ALL of them. Maybe Bruce was a little more underhand about it this time (there was something about him being in the TBs that made it feel more genuine), but it's really not all that different from doing the chat show circuit - he just didn't have to wear make up for this.For me, that just makes it all the more enjoyable on those rare occasions when actors do spill the legitimate beans. Remember when Brad Pitt shat on The Devil's Own, or when Edward Norton said he only did The Italian Job because he was forced contractually? Funny stuff.And still, I will be there in line to see this new Die Hard when it limps over to the UK in a few weeks. Because it's Die Hard.
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Yep, those are about the only three people in the world who seem to appreciate DH3 while disliking DH2. What really bugs me is all this revisionist history that somehow has DH2 being the good sequel and DH3 the lousy one. If one believes that, they really don't understand the character of John McClane (or simply haven't seen DH2 in 10 years or more). The often brilliant John McTiernan says in the DH3 commentary that Bruce's cocky attitude works much better when he's the beaten underdog. Sure he takes a few hits in DH2, but BW is just so full of himself in that movie, it is distracting. Besides, there wasn't a moment in DH2 as cool as in DH3, with John telling Zeus to pull out the fuses in the Mercedes so the anti-lock break system WON'T work and then spinning the car around completely. That was such a cool stunt, Doug Liman used it (well) in Mr. & Mrs. Smith. I want to like the new DH, but the character of this movie looks like slick movie star Bruce Willis and NOT John McClane 12 years after the events of DH3 and if you don't understand why that is important, then you'll probably love the movie.
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I've always thought DH3 was right up there with DH1. Although, Jeremy Irons death in 3 never sat well with me. It didn't seem like it was enough. He should have been killed on the boat. But anyway...I watched the alternate ending and although his death there was cool, the acting was baaaaad.
But yeah, DH3 rocked. The brake thing, the water puzzle, the chemistry. But what stood out for me the most, and what made it most like a Die Hard movie, was Willis' introduction in it. Is LFODH post-rehab McClane? -
Renny Harlin is a hack.
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Change what the sign says, like have it say. I love pink bunny slippers.
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This is horrible. If this movie sucks I'm going to cut off my dick. I'm tired of being let down by movies . I remember going to the movies once a week and enjoying myself. Now if the movies don't suck it's the fucking idiot, mannerless, classless, brainless audience members who talk on their cellphones, pay to see the worst films (SAW, HOSTILE, or any other teen/torture porn/meaningless horror films bullshit). I'm fucking fed up with it. Eat ass hollywood.
Although I am pumped up to see Transformers (Mike Bay sucks cock).
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we love you Sly!!!!
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Not fit to lick the boots of the Jason Statham narcoticised classic CRANK.
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none of you WANT to like this movie. You hear that it's PG-13 and you immediately think it sucks because he doesn't say fuck a lot? I think that's a weak argument. I'm not saying I think it's going to be the best Die Hard ever, but I'm not going to pass judgement on it because of it's rating.
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Really - is ANY movie disappointment worth going to that extreme? Watch the original 3 times back to back and chill, brother.
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I thought al-Qaeda were trying to kill Americans not cyber terrorists! God forbid if Hollywood made a movie based on real life.
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I've watched it every December since I got the *****DVD.
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People say it sucks not because of the F-word argument, but because violence has been toned down and it is directed by one of the most terrible directors that has appeared in Hollywood in the 21st century ! LEN WISEMAN. This guy is everything but wise, or he'd retire right now.
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except what I saw in the trailers, and even way back when THAT came out, I was saying here how he doesn't look or sound intimidating at all. "You don't send a boy to take on Bruce" is a perfect way to put it. It's the small things, you know. Hans and his taste in suits. Simon eating his apple while ordering John around on his cell phone. Colonel Stewart telling the reporter "You can have two (words)--'fuck' and 'you.'" Stewart threatening his thugs, "Fail me again, and it WON'T be empty." Listening to Olyphant tell Bruce "I need you to behave" just doesn't work.
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These reviews just make me sad , not angry or pissed off , just sad.
This was one of the only films this summer that I was really looking forward to and to hear ( a few weeks ago ) that its PG and to read these reviews just make me sad.
Like most of you. Die Hard was one of THE films that everybody talked about in the school yard . Like Predator or Rambo or The Running Man , it was one of those films that if you saw it you were cool and if you hadn't , then you were a social outcast .
I remember seeing for the first time on my 10th birthday ( my parents were pretty fucking cool ) in 1990 and it just blew me away , it was like nothing I had ever seen before . McClane was a hero but not like the big beef cake steroid robots that were around , he was just a normal guy . Somebody you would see on the street and that made him cooler then any other action hero and of course the cursing and violence were the icing on a cool as fuck cake .
Believe it or not my friends and I are actually planning a Die Hard day when it comes out over in Ireland , which wont be in 6 months time like it used to be in the dark days.
Anyway the plan is / was to crack open a few beers , slip on a few wife beaters , take the shoes and sock off , make fists on the carpet with the feet and sit back and watch the first three , and as soon as it was over we planned on hitting the cinema to catch the new one .
However the Die Hard day may be up in the air now . I just don't think I can stomach going to see a watered down , caffeine free , castrated version of Die Hard . John McClane needs to be John "Motherfuckin" McClane not John "Motherfu(gunshot) McClane .
I can imagine it being on par with going to see Muhammed Ali fight today .
Not entertaining , not funny , not exciting and above all else . Sad , just sad.
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I'll bet anyone ten bucks, he saves the day.
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John McClane has never been up against terrorists. Yet, he as always described as "fighting terrorists". The first one he was fighting a gang of thieves who pretended to be terrorists. The villains in the second one were mercenaries working for a drug lord. The third was another thief pretending to be a mad bomber bent on revenge. Why include bonafide true believer terrorists in this one?
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In all fairness Im not surprised-come on, it was a sequel nobody really wanted from the guy who brought us Underworld. How good was it gonna be? And could somebody explian the lack of swearing? Im guessing they're trying to make it a kid friendly franchise? But then arent those same kids going to go watch the proper Die Hards with extra violence and swearing on DVD afterwards anyway? And who the hell thought it was EVER a movie for a PG 13 audience? I saw the first Die Hards when I was 9(Im 20 now)-and the swearing had NO effect on me what so ever. Notably I did notice the violence was pretty intense and kinda scared me at points...but it was a good thing, it added to the THRILL of it.Like in the first movie when Mac Clane is having a firefight on the roof and we see Karl slowly walking over the landing pad toward him, I was GENUINELY scared for Mac Clane, as I was during their big punch up. and in the third movie where he's getting th crap knocked out of him in that big metal room by Simons right hand guy-overly violent, but it NEEDED to be to make it exciting. Watering down Die Hard really is like draining it of life. Plus, if we are honest the only great one was the first one, not due to action but cos the characters were great-not just Mac C, but Powell, Gruber, Karl, Ellis-hell even the two Agent Johnsons were a great running joke! The only character in the next installments that came close was Sam Jackson. Basically, what Im trying to say is, you cant just put Bruce in a generic action fest water it down and slap Die Hard in the front. They tried it before with the second one-didnt work. Die Hard needs to be intimate, intense and most of all it needs damn fine actors with a damn fine script. not justin long.
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In all fairness Im not surprised-come on, it was a sequel nobody really wanted from the guy who brought us Underworld. How good was it gonna be? And could somebody explian the lack of swearing? Im guessing they're trying to make it a kid friendly franchise? But then arent those same kids going to go watch the proper Die Hards with extra violence and swearing on DVD afterwards anyway? And who the hell thought it was EVER a movie for a PG 13 audience? I saw the first Die Hards when I was 9(Im 20 now)-and the swearing had NO effect on me what so ever. Notably I did notice the violence was pretty intense and kinda scared me at points...but it was a good thing, it added to the THRILL of it.Like in the first movie when Mac Clane is having a firefight on the roof and we see Karl slowly walking over the landing pad toward him, I was GENUINELY scared for Mac Clane, as I was during their big punch up. and in the third movie where he's getting th crap knocked out of him in that big metal room by Simons right hand guy-overly violent, but it NEEDED to be to make it exciting. Watering down Die Hard really is like draining it of life. Plus, if we are honest the only great one was the first one, not due to action but cos the characters were great-not just Mac C, but Powell, Gruber, Karl, Ellis-hell even the two Agent Johnsons were a great running joke! The only character in the next installments that came close was Sam Jackson. Basically, what Im trying to say is, you cant just put Bruce in a generic action fest water it down and slap Die Hard in the front. They tried it before with the second one-didnt work. Die Hard needs to be intimate, intense and most of all it needs damn fine actors with a damn fine script. not justin long.
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Don't do it. You might really be mothefBANG let down. People say it's the worse of the series, but still an honorable movie, I can't imagine this one being worse than Die Harder
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Best ending and most satisfying ending of them all. Yippy-ki-yay, motherfucker. KABOOOOOOM! Woaaa! Tihihihihahaha! Hooollyyyy!! There's your fucking landing lights!
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he was brilliant in Bill and Ted and Wonderfalls but hes about as sinister as your mum giving you a cup of tea.
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that's why Tim can be the main villain.
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you guys are typecasting Olyphant. We haven't seen him yet (LFDH). "Breakthough Performance" for an actor will sneak up on them. Rickman had a break through performance on DIE HARD. It led to the stabbing with a spoon in Robin Hood. Walter B (Willis) is always giving guys "the rub" -wrestling term. If you guys knew the first thing about "promos", "faces", "heels", "gimmicks" and "kayfabe" - you would understand how the business works.
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The Die Hard series, i can't hide my dissapointment and worry with the prospect of this 'tamed' version but i also have to wonder how many of these negative reviews are from people trying to be 'cool' and jump on the 'band waggon' with saying how bad this film is!, sigh.
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Sorry I'm german
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There. I said it. However, this is a personal preference. Really, they are objectively equal. Die Hard 2 was just a total waste of time though.
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It means acting as a certain character - good or bad - not only within the storyline(TV), but acting the same way outside the storyline as well. It's like Bruce is a face(good guy) but has bad guy (heel) tendancies. He's a "Tweener". But his "gimmick" - related from previous DIE HARD films - is knocking guys down and wearing a wife beater.
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Nice to know there are a few more out there who get why DH3 is such a good sequel to DH. RockLobster is correct, this is just an action movie starring Bruce Willis. The character I see in all the previews shows us a healthy moviestar and not John McClane 12 years after DH3.
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But be warned, "touch him again and he'll kill ya."
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All the geeks in America ate their Wheaties, or SOMETHING, because the talkbacks on AICN are fucking hilarious now. I had no idea that the Apatowian nerds who populate this site and beat off while caressing an Invisible Jessica Alba action figure actually gave a shit about Die Hard movies. But the level of bile is a riot.
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Flames on Optimus! Galactus as a cloud! Motherf (gunshot! An Emo Spiderman!
Where's the fat cop with the twinkies when you need him the most?
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