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Want A Rundown On What The Europeans Will See When DEATH PROOF Plays?!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
Well, Europe, the various bits and pieces of GRINDHOUSE are starting to roll out for you guys now, and I’m personally itching to see the longer version of DEATH PROOF. So I’m eager to read responses to the cut that played at Cannes, reviews like this one:
Hí Harry, love the page and the time all you guys put in it. I just catched the first german press screening of Tarantino’s bad ass ride “Death Proof” in its 124 Minutes Version and want to share the little and big differences between your US – double feature version and our single experience.
I saw the American double feature one month ago (we have internet in Germany ) and loved how the two films where combined, with actors even having the same parts in both movies, loved the awesome fake trailers ( Germany would go crazy about “Werewolf Woman of the SS” ;). And was blowed away by how much details of seventies footage and movie quotes both directors has put in these flicks, so first I was disappointed hiring that the European guys just can watch “death proof” and a month later “planet terror” on their own but in the long version everything just makes more sense, Quentin takes more time to introduce all the fine ladies and has more dirty Kurt Russel stuff. So for just one feature film this version is the better one, though the double feature is far more fun, with the right crowd!
Here the differences step by step:
We just start with the restricted sign and don’t have the “brought to you by the Weinstein Company” vintage logo and no fake trailers. Point for the US .
In the car scene that introduces us to jungle julia and her friends, pot is a far more explored issue, they explain a character that is missing in the US version, a blond pot dealer girl that looks like a lesbian and later in the film is driving the car in that stuntman mike is crashing. When everyone is bitching against everyone because there is nothing to smoke, shanna (Jordan Ladd) decides that Julia should call the dealer. The best idea she had the whole day, according to the others. Point for Germany , come on blonde lesbian pot dealers!
Kurts Character is introduced while spying on the girls with a nice shot that shows him looking at their photos which you will see later, after he killed the blonde chick and says “know I gonna get your friends”, when he opens the illuminated rear-view mirror his face gets a shiny smiling introduction. 2:1 Germany , you can’t get enough of mikes nasty smiles!
In The Diner we have more close-up Jukebox shots.
In our version Pam (Rose McGowan) is a total slut, don’t know if that is great or not, but as she leaves the others to smoke a cigarette outside in the rain, some dude with a red umbrella asks her to make out in his car. She answers just that her hair has to stay straight, he should kiss good and that she only wants it to take less than 7 minutes. They agree, he opens his umbrella and they go to his car. You don’t even see the action, guess that’s your point and a draw know 2:2.
Eli Roth calls Shanna - Shawna, she hates it.
More close-up jukebox shots.
After Mike tells Butterfly the poem and calls her chicken shit, she gives him a lap-dance!
Yeah, we have the lap-dance, nevertheless Vanessa Ferlito has a little belly, it looks fabulous!
Kurt Russel is great, having is eyes closed and just enjoying the show, trying to touch her tits secretly. Vanessa is a total eye catcher in this scene, whispering in his mouth, slowly drifting her hand through Russel’s hair, whispering the song that is played (actually forgot it, something where a “red banana” or so is mentioned) and popping her nice ass out.
After that some missing reel like thing is going on and we are outside again.
Definitive 3:2 for Germany , although Vanessa keeps her clothes on.
Dock Block explaines that Mike was really hit hard because his small finger and some rips are broken. Our crowd was laughing.
Know this is just awesome, as Michael Parks talks to his “son number one” his son realises that Mike could have killed the girls on purpose and that there hasn’t been an accident. Michael Parks agrees and as they think what they should do about it Michael says that the judge would say, the girls drank too much alcohol, smoke too much pot and that Mike hasn’t drank anything and he wouldn’t be guilty. “So what should we do?” Parks: “I could follow him in my free time, I could do some research on my own and then bust him. But on the other hand I could use my free time to watch the Nascar season!” It would be so cool, Michael Parks in an detective rip off spying on Kurt Russel. As I watched the scene I really thought that this could be a great idea 4:2 Germany .
In the Europe version the tough new girls are introduced entirely different. A black and white scene shows them hanging around a gas station where Stuntman Mike spots them. As Rosario Dawson enters the shop her mobile rings having the “twisted nerve” ring tone and the clerk offers her a copy of an Italian Vogue which he has hidden. Kurt Russel does an awesome job tickling Rosario Dawsons feet and trying to lick them. So Kurt Russel being a foot fetish, 5:2 for Germany , but the Italian Vogue thing?! Okay 5:3!
So that was pretty much everything, envy you guys for a great double feature, but 5:3 for the European “Death Proof” version.
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do you have any idea when this will come to DVD and if so do you know if we have to buy them seperate for the extended versions of each film?
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So that makes us about even.
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When I saw it with Planet Terror, I thought that Death Proof had some potential but knew there was something holding it back. Now, I know what that was: not enough sitting around-time with the characters, where they talk about their day, sex, and previous adventures! Surely the film will be well served by another 20 minutes of exposition!
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Grindhouse was awful.
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that's what I'll miss. Also, studio's CANNOT bitch about piracy if they make changes to films crossing the ocean.
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I forgot I had seen Planet Terror.
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Sure, "Death Proof" may not have fit the rugged "Grindhouse" ideal, but it was the better movie. It fit with scopofiliac/voyeur movies like "Psycho" and "Peeping Tom", which I love.
I can't wait for the extended version his the U.S... It comes out on DVD on 9/18, I think. September couldn't come soon enough. -
I'm surprised that AICN left in the authors BLATANT confession of piracy!
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When it's good buddy Eli Roth involved, they refuse to run reviews that dealt with the workprint that was all over the net. Now this guy is comparing the new Death Proof with the version of Grindhouse he admits having watched ON THE INTERNET, and they have no problem running the item.Would it have run if it was Harry buddy Rodriguez's Planet Terror half instead? Doubt it. Hypocritical bastards.P.S. It's HILARIOUS that Roth is blaming his flick's complete bombing on the internet. No, Eli, it's cuz your flick sucked and was a giant disappointment.
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Grindhouse has been nothing short of a calamitous and indulgent fuck up.
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was a piece of crap. extra footage just means it's a longer piece of crap. Planet terror was actually a fun movie and should have brought in maybe $40mm domestically if it wasn't saddled with Tarantino's "Lifetime" crap fest.
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half the shit this guy is talking about is in the US version.
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...and adding even one more useless word of dialogue just fattens this bowl cracker more.
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planet terror was excellent to watch drunk however, i nearly fell asleep with all the dialog. maybe i will catch it on cable..
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Just to bury it a little more.
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unbelievable
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...is Childe Roland? I haven't seen him in ages and he's missed out on some prime Eli Roth and Tarantino hatefests of late.
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My name-a Borat. I review moviefilm Proof of Death for is-it-cool-news.
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Vanessa Ferlito was the girl who went to the car to make out with her boyfriend. (Don't think that make her a slut either...)
Other than that: 5-3 for Europe! Wo-hoo! -
Seriously, in France, the extended cut has been released 3 weeks ago... AICN really needs an european branch, cos between this and Sunshine...
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So dull in fact that I cant even be bothered to watch a LONGER version of it. The one with Planet Terror felt like 2hrs+ as it was...
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Hitler rape my grandma whilst Attila The Hun took a dump on my kitty cat's tail than have to sit through Death Proof again. If you're seriously telling me Snake Burton couldn't fuck-kick three lame cunts after a minor road prang, then you're Quentin Tarantino. And you're a lying twat.
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Eli Roth has blamed everyone--exempting himself--for the failure of HOSTEL 2. He'd have to pay me to screen even pirated copies of his derivative crap. He was pretty shameless on his blog, begging "fans" to view repeated screenings of HOSTEL 2 (i.e. pay to see it twice!!). Last time I recount this story: on the heels of CABIN FEVER (talk about derivative--thank God for Jordan Ladd and Cerina Vincent), Roth was invited to join a panel of veteran filmmakers (Stuart Gordon, Wes Craven, Tobe Hooper, et al); sure enough, he promptly showboated, eclisping the participation of the experienced directors (who just camouflaged their disgust behind "What an asshole!" grins). Happily, Roth is not indelibly linked to "Cell" (give it to Neil Marshall, for God's sake).
As for GRINDHOUSE--actually, I prefer the authentic grindhouse movies that were ground-out with nickel 'n' dime budgets and a lot of creativity (HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP, THE HOWLING, NIGHT OF THE DEMONS, et al). -
The failure of Hostel 2 can be blamed (ever so slightly) on the workprint leaking onto the internet. If it hadn't, then a few people wouldn't have seen it, known it was crap, and used word-of-mouth to spread that fact around the internet. If the workprint hadn't leaked, it would have had a successful opening weekend and then taken a 70% dive the following weekend.
As for Death Proof...it sucked. An extra half-an-hour isn't going to help it. -
In every single one of his films he has close up shots of a woman's feet. In "From Dusk Till' Dawn" hes sucking on the vampire chick's foot.
Unless you wanna suck on some weird foot in a movie, definately dont participate in one of Q.T.'s films. -
wanted to glorify but hands down it was a turd. I'm glad QT and his hyperactive persona has been shot down and drug around in the shit. Good. RR, i like and his segment was fun, but Death proof .... ugh. I want my $5.50 back. Ugh. Now if ol Roth cna get his nuts kicked and stop making flicks the world will be a better place. I don't mind the movies but the guy is a fucking tool.
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I loved Death Proof. I thought that was one of the best car chases I have ever seen, right up there with Bullit and the Seven -Ups. I even liked all the characters and the dialogue. I liked it just the way it is, but I will see the extended version as well.
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People in the rust belt and elsewhere decided to see Wild Hogs, thanks fuck heads. Yeah rag on Grindhouse I bet you jerked off watching Ghost Rider and Are we There Yet. You people make me sick. I don't care about an extra twenty minutes are we going to get a dvd of the two films together plus the trailers? Because that was one of the best times I've ever had at the movies.
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They now have high ranking positions in the Brussels and payed the STASI a lot of money to bury the truth about their wartime activities.It's true. Hans Gruber told me. He also said the new Die Hard is rubbish.
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WTF? If someone didn't like Grindhouse that means they're a rust belt hick with no taste in movies? Who's Kool-Aid are you drinking? Is there no room for a difference of opinion? I saw Grindhouse opening weekend and didn't like it. I saw what they were trying to do, I just didn't think they did it very effectively. In hindsight there probably wasn't any way they could do it effectively. Whenever a filmmaker tries to mimic a genre that's extinct, it will probably always come off like a cheap knock-off. So in your universe that means I automatically like Tim Allen movies? (well, I actually do like Galaxy Quest but that's it)
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...why people love Hostel, Saw, and the rest of the torture flicks. They love torture! Why else would anyone want an EVEN LONGER cut of the awful, awful Death Proof? It all makes sense to me now...
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shitty torrent file with the dude's afro sticking up 'cause thats as close to the theatrical release as we're gonna get for a while.
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I paid to see it in the theater.
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I really hope they did something about all those uneccesarily long dialouge scenes. I swear to god I felt like jumping up and yelling FUCK YOU TARANTINO durring hte diner scene.
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Gee Viz! Do the next review in English, please!
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of the negative posts and responses to this film....the amount of posts that called the women whores, sluts and bitches was ridiculous....also the amount of people talking about how much they loved seeing them get killed or cheering when stuntman mike finally killed those "stupid yapping bitches"..sorry but to me some of those comments reeked of misogyny....not of all them but some of them did.
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Deathproof will still suck no matter how long it was. The script sucked, the theatrical version sucked, and this version will suck. Maybe if, while Tarantino's wanger is down your throat if you pushed his hair sack aside you could actually watch his movies and realize he's not a cinema god, just a guy who has a couple good scenes in a few good movies, with many pieces of crap laid between.
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...dont forget that your ass got kicked by a bunch of Ewoks in Vietnam , and now by some John Rambo trained Tusken Raiders in the desert.
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...if death proof - or planet terror - had both been full-length the audience would've been asleep for the opening credits of death proof. as riveting as both pictures are, that's a whole lotta movie to absorb in one sitting. that's why i'm eager to purchase the dvds of the two films, especaially death proof, because i don't feel i was able to properly enter the holy temple of tarantino and kneel before the god in proper reverent worship after receiving a royal shit-kickin' from rodriguez. more tarantino is always a good thing. and what's up with a character called jackie brown in the friends of eddie coyle?
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Tuff (lol) female characters that talk shit for over 30 mins when they think theyre being clever is not grindhouse- its kevin smith on a bad day (which is very, very bad). The trailers represented grindhouse better (esp eli roths thanksgiving- too bad his films arent as good) and that was tarantinos least involvement. First half was alright but still way over written. Thanksgiving worked cause it made you feel sick as fuck while still making you laff and managed to do what grindhouse is notorious for- putting you off food especially meat- in this case turkey. And i am FUCKING PISSED that i cant watch this on the big screen with a group full of unsuspecting plebs. If you want a REAL decent parody/tribute of crude but warped horror watch cult british comedy garth merenghis' dark place on dvd. I promise you'll laff til you squirt milk.
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But we still lead the world in obesity, so suck on that.
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I guess this is what will be released to video, so the Weinstein's can release two DVDs (or they'll just go with the SE route and triple dip).
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If it's the double bill, without the fake trailers etc, I´ll watch at least one of them in my Jack Sparrow's one eyed blind attitude. For the Weinsteins: Charge us double for what you paid once and that's what you'll get.
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Flashback to October, '06: Tarantino and Rodriguez were basking in the adulation of the phony Scream Awards ("Winner of grossest scene in a movie is--" Class act, huh?). The audience roared as clips were cued from GRINDHOUSE. Tarantino smugly smiled while Rodrigues proclaimed, "Fuck the Oscars. The Scream Awards rule." The audience went wild. Tarantino's smug grin broadened. Cut to the GRINDHOUSE premiere (a couple of months ago). Empty seats. Who's smiling now? Tarantino thought his movie would be a certified blockbuster. Not a banner year for the Weinstein Company (HANNIBAL RISING also tanked). I really agree with BobbyQuickdraw's abridged summary of Tarantino's work (and please, Quentin, stop your egocentric schtick, i.e. appearing in your own movies. When you performed "Wait Until Dark" on Broadway, critics cut you a new asshole. Your DUSK/DAWN character is the most annoying presence since post-juvenile Urkel. I mean, you negotiated a GRINDHOUSE action figure of yourself for the toy market??? Why?--the role was so damn insignificant). Worst sin: JACKIE BROWN (have you really really screened AIP's blaxploitation pix?). Second worst sin: the incongruity of GRINDHOUSE. $70 million? The best grindhouse films were cranked-out for less than $100,000.
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This is the 2nd time they've done this. I'm not condoning piracy or nuttin' but fucking hell. And anyways , these films will prob do worse at the popcorn office as the quality of them isn't good enough for 2 separate releases. The original release seemed like a good value package and for them to think separating them is the answer is just fucking retarded. Its not as tho we're living in the age of heavens gate anymore- 3 hour plus films from what i know actually do pretty well. The remakes and the appearance of colin farrell is what they need to monitor.
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...but then again, there were no women in that movie. And Death Proof was an excellent film I can't wait to see more of. Now that it'll be divorced from Planet Terror (a load of fun, but it set too different a tone from Tarantino's film, which is why so many supposed Tarantino fans thought it was "boring"), Death Proof should finally get the recognition it deserves.
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THAT'S your defense for DEATH PROOF? I quote you:"It (Planet Terror) set too different a tone from Tarantino's film, which is why so many supposed Tarantino fans thought it was "boring"...Uh, sorry, Osmosis. You're entitled to your own opinion of course, but just because the two films were put together has NOTHING to do with why I thought DP was utter pig vomit. DP was boring because it WAS as boring as watching paint dry. It was dull, dragged out, and contained Tarantino's most self-indulgent dialogue EVER, not to mention it centered on truly unlikable female characters that you were actually hoping Kurt Russell WOULD kill simply to put you out of the misery of hearing them drone on any longer.Not to mention the other obvious logic hole in your defense: namely, the whole POINT of recreating a "grindhouse experience" WAS to put two films together. So if you're saying the reason people don't like DP is simply because they don't work as companion films, then that only proves how much Tarantino dropped the ball even MORE by failing to create a film that was actually worthy of the whole marketing stunt.But, hey, if you liked it, that's cool. In the spirit of being polite, to each his own and all that!
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Yeah! With lots MORE awkward banter, MORE use of the word nigger, and FIVE EXTRA QUENTIN CAMEOS...
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Jun 22, 2007 5:56:25 AM CDT
yea but what did us americans get for winning ww2?
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
47 million world war 2 based videogames.
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And I hate baby boomers more than the cold war.
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How am I supposed to watch a movie with talking in it? I don't have the attention for all that. --- The DP because of its set up scenes is getting real old. You thought the dialouge in DP was boring, but you aren't bored yet of talking about the talking??? I'm guessing the people complaining about the length of time with "nothing" happening either A) aren't familiar with grindhouse films or B) they don't like most of them. A lot of the movies Tarantino was emulating were the types that had trouble filling feature length run time and/or only had the budget for a couple action scenes. I appreciated the trying to find pot, diner scene, and all that, because those old movies are full of development and filler like that AND they were never with writing as entertaining as QT's. And DP had GREAT ACTION! GREAT GORE EFFECTS! GREAT CAR CRASHES! AND REAL STUNTS! I liked both, but I have a much different appreciation of Rose CG grenade boosting 20 feet in the air than I do the car stunts. Real stunts are so refreshing. The "BORING" crowd might prefer some moviestar in some action scene evading CGI perrils, but I've always loved real world stunts. The flag shipping or whatever scene in DP was great. But I guess if you were frsutrated by then you may not have recognized how cool that actually is. I know a lot of people's attention span was probably worn thin by then, the pace change to setting up DP came after 90 minutes or so quick moving action/horror/comedy and I too think that had a big effects on impaitent people in the audiences' review of DP.
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Was the highlight of the Grindhouse experience and it's great to know we'll be able to see the full flick come September... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0985694/ ...ENJOY.
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...and you'd have a totally smokin' triple feature. i purchased the snake plisken action figure and i purchased the mr. brown action figure as well. as such tarantino directing russell is an absolute dream come to true for me and russell's sleazy performance was stellar. i'm amazed he was willing to do the role it's so badass...
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i don't know why but he tries to get his hair cut like those space monkeys in fight club. Creepy friend.
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Over here in the UK they decided purely on the basis of Tarantinos name to release Death Proof and ignore Planet Terror!?! I am a big Tarantino fan (liking all his previous stuff) but have to agree that this is his worse film. Only Kurt Russell, and the cool cars and stunt work made it watchable. Too much smart-ass talk, awful female characters, except Rosie. Crap pacing.
Planet Terror however was fantastic. Great score, acting, characters, story. Cool as fuck!!
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I'm all for long dialog scenes BUT, I want to hang out with characters I enjoy, not some obnoxious smart-assed idiots that you want to see ground under the Kurt Russell's Tires. The scene with Pam and Kurt and when he kills her in the car, that all worked as you cared for Pam and felt for her plight..
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I have trouble to describe it in English because I'm really pissed.
It is the 19th of July and I just saw DEATH PROOF and I still can't belive how dull this film is. This is not GRINDHOUSE but SNOOZEHOUSE - at its best. I swear to God, this is the first movie, I thought about recutting my own Hank - version, when it's out on DVD. Seriously, every fucking detail this dude praised above in his review is making this movie so damn slow and booooooring, it's beyond belief.
Imagine we saw a twenty minutes exposition on JAWS first victim Chrissy where she is fighting with her boyfriend while they where buying beer for the evening at the beach. Do I want to see that? NO!! Because I want to see her get eaten by a huge shark. But that is what we get here in this "single version". I absolute don't care about those bitches and after two minutes listening about her absolute sensefree (is this an actual english word?) dialouge I can't wait till they got what they deserve. But when I don't care about those characters (which are in peril, because a lunatic killer-stuntman is after them) WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT?!
Then, after the first group of girls where FINALY killed (Yeyyy!!) We get to know the new bunch of girls. Again endless and total empty girl talk about who is fucking who. It goes on an on and adds absolute nothing to the development of those characters. NONE WHAT'S SO EVER!
This was the first time I went to the bathroom not so much I had to pee, but because I was so bored. No shit. I went during the diner scene an was away for about five minutes. I hoped when i got back, I skiped this awful long scene, but NOOOOOOOOO! They went on and on.
So I saw two absolute brilliant action sequences (Zoe Bell rocks). That's about 20 percent of the film. The rest 80 percent was totally dull girl talk which has nothing to do with GRINDHOUSE at all. I watched those movies in the 70s and I know one thing, even when they sucked, they where never so dull like this (version). So I'm very pleased to read, that the original theater version is shorter.
THANK GOD for that.
Grindhouse productions where cheap and fast. Corman would never wasted so much film and money with character expositions that had absolute no value for the rest of the film.
This is the first time I'm looking forward to watching a shorter version of a Tarantino film. Who thought this day will come?
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