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AICN EXCLUSIVE! Guess Who’s Shooting His IRON MAN Role Today!!

Published at: June 21, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST

Okay. This is a pretty big tidbit, and as far as I can tell, this is an exclusive. I haven’t seen any mention of this anywhere online, but it’s exciting news, and I have to share it with you guys. Right now, if I had to wager on whether or not IRON MAN was going to be one of next summer’s big films, I’d say it will be. It seems like Jon Favreau has done everything right so far, and I’m hearing really exciting things about the action sequences and the casting, and I’ve been sold on Robert Downey Jr. since the moment he was announced. Today, though, he’s shooting scenes featuring an actor who is a set-up for a larger Marvel continuity, and it’s exciting because I’m hoping this character can start showing up in other films, and we’ll start seeing Marvel Studios creating a larger world, one that exists outside the frames of the individual movies. This is a major step towards making that AVENGERS movie we’ve been hearing about. So who’s the actor? Who’s the character? Sam Jackson. Nick Fury. Count on it.


Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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  • June 21, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    First ?!

    by barnaby jones

    Sam Jackson = Awesome.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Sam Jackson

    by Bad Movie Year

    I'm sold. All very Ultimates

  • June 21, 2007, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Bring back David Hasslehoff!

    by Mister McClane

    If he'd put that vodka down for five minutes...

  • June 21, 2007, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Hang on....

    by barnaby jones

    Is this a cameo or something a little more ? DETAILS DAMN IT !

  • June 21, 2007, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Well....

    by iamjacksleftball

    Paint my ass red and call me George.. Nah in fairness good scoop Drew..kudos..

  • June 21, 2007, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Sammy J...

    by ZaphodBeeblerox

    I love Jackson as an actor, but I've always though of Fury being Ving Rhames size. Not that Sam isnt badass, but Fury has always had a larger then life quality about him that extended to his physical presence and no matter how fine an actor he is, Sam just is not that mountain of a man.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Snakes on a motherfuckin'

    by simulated stereo

    Helicarrier?

  • June 21, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    WOWWOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!

    by Zombie Vig

    THIS-IS-TOO-GOOD-TO-BE-TRUE!!!!! SAM JACKSON. NICK FURY. ULTIMATES BE DAMNED!!!!!!! whew, finally able to catch my breath. Need to lie down for a while.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST

    helllll yea

    by tnt23789

    bring it onnnnnnnnnnnn

  • June 21, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Zaphod's right...

    by SimpleSandwiches

    ...skinny, old black man as Nick Fury? I know he was the influence for Ultimate's Nick Fury but he just ain't got the presence. Now, Tony Todd...HE's got Nick Fury written all over him...!

  • June 21, 2007, 6:31 a.m. CST

    This is smart.

    by SnapT

    'Nuff said!

  • June 21, 2007, 6:32 a.m. CST

    He's no Hasselhoff.

    by Darth Kong

    Is he.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Bad choice.

    by bobster52

    Bad choice.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Sam's the man!

    by photoboy

    Favreau really sounds like he knows what he's doing. It's a pity they couldn't pick someone like that for the Transformers movie instead of a hack like Bay who clearly has no clue about the backstory or look.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Ultimate Sam

    by benizdead

    It's the Ultimate's Nick Fury!! fan-f******-tabulous

  • June 21, 2007, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Roddy Piper as Thor?

    by otto maddox

    ...and Dana Delaney as Black Widow?

  • June 21, 2007, 6:49 a.m. CST

    A Secret Wars movie would own!!!

    by Atticus Finch

    But it would ruin the Venom origin in Spidey 3.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Kingpin was black

    by Darth Kong

    and that worked. Don't be racist Toddboddy.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Ben Affleck as Luke Cage!

    by Atticus Finch

    Since color means nothing.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    ToddBoddy likes both types of music...

    by otto maddox

    ....country AND western

  • June 21, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Please put my name on the Excited List

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I like this very much. So far so good with this flick. Let's hope it lives up to all these good vibes. 2008 is looking stellar.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    ARGH!!! Nick IS White!!

    by Cpt Shaw

    Fuck that ULTIMATE Crap! Nick Fury is White!!!! I WAS...looking foward to this Movie...now Jon is FUCKING IT UP! This SUCKS!

  • June 21, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Um, isn't Nick Fury white..........?

    by Ricky Henderson

    This casting makes no sense at all. If I want to see Black Panther on screen, then yes, Sam's your man. Otherwise, this is a bad call.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    That is truly awesome!

    by Barl

    With Ultimate Nick Fury being molded after Sam and all. I have been wanting to see a true superhero team-up ever since hollywood started spewing out this next generation of Super Hero flicks. With Nick Furys appearence in this movie it bodes well, now if only they have him in the Hulk and THor movie I will be one happy geek!

  • June 21, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    Can you dig it?

    by Hercules

    Coolest funnybook news I've heard in a long time. We can all now smell that Ultimates movie coming down the tracks ...

  • June 21, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    To those bitching about a black Nick Fury...

    by raw_bean

    ...you're about 5 years too late: <p>http://tinyurl.com/2jhync <p>http://tinyurl.com/ysl7vz <p>This is awesome news. :^D

  • June 21, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Fraking Awesome

    by raine204

    That lil bit of casting news is crazy. Looking forward to this movie more than any of the lame Spider-suk flicks. Yep, and Im with Barl on this. Every Origin story thats about an Avenger needs Sam Jackson in it now as Fury. Seriously...its a no brainer. ULTIMATES!! ASSEMBLE!!!!!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Things change over time...

    by GrubStreeter

    ...and the Ultimates is a fantastic update to the whole Avengers thing. If they tried to make a character like Captain America or Batman black, I'd have an issue - but Nick Fury? Why not? Maybe we'll get a separate S.H.I.E.L.D. movie out of this? This is indeed "cool news."

  • June 21, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    ToddBody

    by McBane

    Ultimates Nick Fury (Based on Samuel L.) is Black. So you don't have to overlook it. It's Ultimates canon. :)

  • June 21, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Old yes, Skinny?

    by McBane

    The guy was pretty big in Black Snake Moan.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    The internet just split in half.

    by rodrigospot

    Damn it. That's the best news i heard regarding ANY comic movie this year. DAMN IT.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Shield Movie.....

    by raine204

    Might as well just call it the ultimates anyways..... Cuz the first two ultimate runs were all based outa shields triskelion in NY. And every time you turn around in the Ultimates, theres a heavy shield presence. Sorta what you'd expect out of a modern day, gov't backed super team anyways.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    But what about 616?

    by azzezino

    I remember I read somewhere that Marvel didn't want to make an Ultimates movie, that they wanted an Avengers movie. I guess this changes everything, we will never have an Avengers movie. From now on it's going to be the Ultimate Universe that gets the movie treatment.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Fury is "supposed" to be white

    by goldenage

    The people bitching about skin colour are obviously such HUGE fans of the character that they had no idea that the Ultimate version of Fury was based on Sam the Man. As far as I can see that makes them A) Ill informed B) Racist C) Unashamed of this. That's 3 for 3. In a more pleasant frame of mind, this is the kind of geeky gossip that makes AICN worth while. IM just keeps sounding better and better.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Secret Wars

    by thinboyslim.

    The Beyonder is a bigger cloud!!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Beyonder....LOL

    by raine204

    He blinks at the camera....we all die. The End!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    That is cool as balls with tits!

    by Boondock Devil

    Makes me wonder what other Marvel references they're going to toss in besides Fury.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    "What...

    by Kid Z

    ...does Tony Stark look like? I SAID... WHAT... does Tony Stark LOOK LIKE?!!?"

  • June 21, 2007, 7:22 a.m. CST

    To goldenage

    by Cpt Shaw

    I've read the Ultimate's, and Who the FUCK doesn't know Nick was based on Sam Jackson...He's drawn just like Him! And it doesn't make You a Racist...to want to see the "Golden Age" of Marvel Character's on the Big Screen...not the Re-Vamp Ultimate Version.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Next Up... Steve Martin IS Black Panther!

    by Long Tooth

    What? Really...what??? Why not?

  • June 21, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    dont get me wrong...

    by CaptGrogan

    I LOVE the ultimates. And for those that dont know, the Ultimates version of Fury was created with Sam Jackson in mind. However, thats the WRONG universe. In the "normal" marvel universer, the one where every other fucking Marvel movie takes place, Fury is a white, World War 2 veteran (who aged VERY slowly) While Im all for an Ultimates movie, to me mixing continuity like this is just dumb. It feels like stunt casting and personally I hate it when they change the ethnicity or look of a character purely for the sake of demographics. An NO, Im not racist. If they put the Falcon in the Captain America movie, and he's white, thats just as freaking stupid. Sigh

  • June 21, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    The hell.. ?! Just because Samuel Jackson is in it..

    by Boondock Devil

    ..it doesn't mean it's the Ultimate Universe. C'Mon fanboys, Iron Man is even wearing a close replica of his current 616 armor. This is just a whole different universe with it's own rules and if they have Mr. Jackson as Nick Fury I couldn't be any happier.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Wait...Iron Man's white?

    by Mockingbuddha

    First IM comic I ever read had a man named Jim Rhodes putting on some armour that a falling down drunk rich guy invented for him. I know that The billionaire playboy took over for a while when Rhodey got his headaches, but I'm sure he'll be back anytime now to resume his role.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    What about Jarvis?

    by Boondock Devil

    I'm shocked I didn't even question this earlier... but Jarvis HAS to be int his movie, right?

  • June 21, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Its not a mixed up megaverse yet Capt

    by raine204

    Look, Iron-Man is the first outa the gate for any of the ultimates. Hulk movie on its way....Easy as pie to have it set in the ultimates universe, just add Sam J as Fury and its a done deal. Captain America Movie after that...no Prob. You know Fury will be in that... Then you got a Giant Man/Ant Man Movie - Now theres a Drama/Action movie, especially if they stick to the Ultimates story line of how Abusive Hank Pym is towards Janet. And then You gots my Favourite. THOR. Thor as done in the Ultimates series is the cheaper way to go, but they just might go the Walt Simonson route and do a Lord of the Rings esque massive scale movie. (wich I would prefer), but still, that Thor can easily come to Midgard in his Ultimates duds. Add black widow and hawkeye to either the Iron Man or Captain America movies and theres your team with absolutely no fraking around with established Marvel movies. Nuff said.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    ALWAYS BET ON BLACK!

    by BannedOnTheRun

    A cool black dude is guaranteed to bring B.O.!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Genius.

    by Mother_Gunshot

    Even better casting choice than Downey as Stark. I hope it's not just a cameo, but at least two or three mother(gunshot) scenes in the mother(gunshot) helicarrier!!!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    "Ultimate Nick Fury" (Wikipedia):

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    "In the Ultimate Marvel Universe, General Nick Fury is a significant figure. His characteristics are similar, although he ranks General and is portrayed as an African American, with his facial features modeled after those of actor Samuel L. Jackson, with Jackson's written consent."

  • June 21, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    DON'T FUCK WITH THE HOFF...!!!

    by greigy just wanted to say

    He was the bomb in.... something or other a few years ago...erm... let me see.. the one with the car... or the...the swim suits...

  • June 21, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Race don't matter - but Sam seems a bit *aged* for this

    by Doctor_Sin

    Can't think of anyone younger, though, who'd be such a badass. I'll be on the excited list. Shaping up to be a kick-butt film.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    holy shit

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    sam jackson as nick fury? wow i dont kno what to say. not what i expected. but sammy j does kick all kinds of ass though.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    P.S. Wesley Snipes as Thor!

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Even more Ultimate!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:43 a.m. CST

    What fucks me off

    by Steve T

    Is that in the pictures I ahve seen, theye have got Tony Stark with a beard not justa tache! This film is ruined for me now! Ruined!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Frozone is Fury?

    by DerLanghaarige

  • June 21, 2007, 7:43 a.m. CST

    "Ultimate Nick Fury" (Wikipedia):

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    "In the Ultimate Marvel Universe, General Nick Fury is a significant figure. His characteristics are similar, although he ranks General and is portrayed as an African American, with his facial features modeled after those of actor Samuel L. Jackson, with Jackson's written consent."

  • June 21, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by waites

    I cannot believe anyone would complain about this! on the money casting! Jon...you are the man!! fantastic casting all across the board!! when are we going to see more photos from the set??????

  • June 21, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    With great vengeance and furious anger . . .

    by aboriginal

    So, where does Travolta figure into this? Antman? The Vision? Thor? Le Thor?

  • June 21, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Whoops

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    Double post, actually intentional to make you read that.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

  • June 21, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    *aged*

    by raine204

    Why does every1 on the big screen have to be under 21. Like seriously an all. Some Muther Fraker who in charge of an organization like Shield is going to be some young whipper snapper???? Not. Now... I like a good popcorn movie with young tits like any good comic geek, but.....Sam Jackson too aged???? Im just not falling for that one.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I just came in my pants.

    by Charles Sheen

    Favs is my new personal Jesus.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Excellent.

    by UltimaRex

    That is all. ...unless you want me to say "Peter Jackson for JLA!"... ...didn't think it'd go down too well in a Marvel TB... ...but I said it just then didn't I... ...crap...

  • June 21, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Ugh... I can "smell" an Ultimates movie myself...

    by Chewtoy

    Which pretty much sucks for fans of the actual Avengers... the one where Cap doesn't literally kick a guy when he's down, Hulk doesn't want to rape Betty, Jarvis isn't that pervy old guy from "Family Guy", the Vision isn't a watered down chick version of the Silver Surfer, and so on. Really, the less "Ultimates" influence on Marvel Films, the better. Just because Mark Millar pre-fucks all the concepts before they go to the screen doesn't make it better than Galacta-cloud. (Ooooh... he's locusts in the Ulitmate Version! And Doom is named Van Dammme! That's much better than the source material!) Seriously, I know this is a bit role, but Marvel... look at your track record. Let people who love the source material adapt that, and not make an adaptation of Mark Millar's adaptation of the source material. That's how you get hack work.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Sam Jackson as Mace Windu? HOW CAN THE PT FAIL?!?

    by uss cygnus

    I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin'.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST

    But about the racial issue:

    by DerLanghaarige

    Doesn't matter if you are a racist or not, Nick Fury has been white for ages! Imagine what would happen if they would cast a white actor as Shaft! Or a robot with flames playing Optimus Prime!<br>

  • June 21, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Travolta as Galactus.

    by raine204

    would have been better than that lame cloud ending.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    This is hitting levels of awesome I'm not used to

    by Captain Sensible

    I was looking forward to Dark Knight but this is getting crazy cool.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Ultimate Avengers Live Action

    by PlasmaOrb

    I can see this coming.. basing all the avengers off the ultimate line, especially with Sam Jackson as Fury, since they drew him to look alot like Jackson. I wouldnt mind that to be honest, cause the ultimate books were great, the cartoons were so so... but if they do this right.. it will be killer.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    ? for Ultimates?

    by UltimaRex

    C'mon people. Help me out here...

  • June 21, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Skin colour makes NO difference to Nick Fury.

    by stones_throw

    He was a soldier in WWII then became a spy. Plenty of blacks in the armed forces.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Not Raimi, not Singer and def not Bay...

    by UltimaRex

    C'mon UltimaRex. Think, think, think!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    I really dislike the ultimating of Nick Fury...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...and Sam "shouty" Jackson is so going to hammily overplay this role, just you wait and see. <p>Still really looking forward to Iron Man regardless though.

  • June 21, 2007, 8 a.m. CST

    holy shit, that's cool!

    by just pillow talk

    Damn! Jon is a magician! The actors he's pulled together on this one...is this maintaining a balance in the force to offset the recent horrid comic book movies by Marvel?

  • June 21, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Yup, Millar sucks cool hairy balls

    by Mother_Gunshot

    but this is still genius casting. I sincerely hope this is not a stunt casting, and Favreau won't rely too much on his actors. I hope he'll mirror his fucking cast with fucking action scenes!!! And I heard Travolta is cast as Mandy. How's that? A white guy for Mandarin, Fu Manch style? How do you like it haters?

  • June 21, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Clint Eastwood for Captain America!

    by UltimaRex

    Directing of course. Almost said him for Ultimates but that's pushing it. Need someone more kinetic... ...More hip...

  • June 21, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Absolutely Awesome- Nick Fury; Superfly-TNT

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Fucking grade A stuff. He's a Mushroom cloud laying motherfucker, motherfucker.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Not Nolan either...

    by UltimaRex

    Dammit! This is kicking my ass!

  • June 21, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Fuck...

    by Super Rabbi

    YEAH!

  • June 21, 2007, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Does he get to use the F-bomb?! DOES HE?

    by Diagnostic

    No? <br> How realy is that? Bah.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Wait a min... "Dammit"?

    by UltimaRex

    Which 24 director wants to hit the big screen in a big way?

  • June 21, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Nick Fury

    by RINCON

    Sam motherfu(Gunshot) Jackson

  • June 21, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    To those who hate the "Ultimizing" of the movies:

    by GuitarAtomik

    Get used to it. The Ultimate universe from it's inception has been about rebooting and UPDATING these characters for today's audience. You will never see an old school avengers movie because it would be goofy and campy. It would be Spider-Man 3. It would be Batman & Robin. Do you really want that? I hope not. Besides, do any of you REALLY care about Nick Fury SO much that you think his character would be ruined as a black man?

  • June 21, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Holly Shit!

    by MRJONZ72

    that's all.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    So when does he film in Incredible Hulk?

    by Diagnostic

    SMASH!<br> Casting Samuel Jackson as Fury is simular to the expectation to have Nicholson as the Joker.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Hell mutherfooking yeah

    by redfist

    WHAT DOES IRON MAN LOOK LIKE??? he's red and gold...GO ON...he metal...DOES ME LOOK LIKE A BITCH?

  • June 21, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Cracked it! (and on topic too!)

    by UltimaRex

    Jon Favreau or Zack Snyder for Ultimates!

  • June 21, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST

    I don't care that he's black...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...I just don't like the way the character is portrayed in the Ultimate Universe compared to classic Nick Fury, simple as that. Nor do I remember the last several runs of the regular Marvel Universe version of The Avengers being campy for that matter. <p>I'm not ragging on the Ultimates, I'd just prefer they used the original established version of Nick Fury, not the johnny-come-lately Ultimate version, that's all. To me it's all about character, not colour.<p>That said, yeah, if they're going to go all Ultimate Nick Fury then of course it makes perfect sense to cast Sam "shouty" Jackson, given that the ultimate version was based on him and all, but what can I say, as a huge old school Nick Fury fan I just prefer the original incarnation better, that's all. And as such I would have personally preferred to see someone like Michael Wincott in the role. Wasn't to be though, so there you go.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    "Tell me what Iron Man looks like....

    by RINCON

    does he look like a bitch. Does he look like a bitch. You tried to fuck him and Iron Man don't like to get fucked by anyone 'cept Mrs. Fujikawa"

  • June 21, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Just put Bruce Campbell in this and call it done

    by Doctor_Sin

    Harry's orgasm would then be complete.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Hmmm

    by godzillasushi

    That's pretty...awesome!

  • June 21, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Van Buren

    by Ribbons

    Only in the Ultimate Universe. In 616 he's as white as ever. Not that I'm complaining; this is pretty exciting news.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    So Sam Jackson makes anything automatically cooler?

    by Anna Valerious

    Nice.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Nick Fury is not "black nowadays"...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...there's a completely seperate version of him that happens to be black in the comparitively very small section of the Marvel Universe that covers the various Ultimate related books, in the other 95% of what consists of the regular Marvel Universe and Marvel Titles he's still the original classic (and white) Nick Fury that he's always been, so why don't you "get with the times" fuckwit.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    And again...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...if you're going to do Ultimate Nick Fury then this all makes perfect sense, and I have no problem with that, I just would have personally preferred the classic Nick Fury instead, that's all.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    I guess once Nick Fury went black....

    by Long Tooth

    ...he never went back? It's not that people are against a black hero. Far from it, it's just that Fury’s been white for - I don't know - 40 years? And he's still around in the “Mainstream Marvel Universe”. The Ultimate version has been around for maybe 5 years? Keep things in perspective. It’s not racism, it precedent and history.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    COOL i say

    by pipergates

    thats the way we like it, favreaouoo!

  • June 21, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Exactly, Long Tooth...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...like I said, I'm not haterizing on this, if you're going to do Ultimate Nick Fury, which is apparently is what they have chosen to do, then the casting of the face of Ultimate Nick Fury, Sam "shouty" Jackson himself, makes perfect logical sense. I just personally would have preferred for them to go with the classic version, because I prefer the classic character, and despite sharing a name and some conceptual similarities, they are two decidedly different characters at the end of the day. But it's Ultimate Nick they're going with (which in itself isn't unexpected) so there you have it.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Long Tooth...

    by stones_throw

    Yeah, but why should his skin colour make a difference to the character he's playing?<p>And Steven Spielberg BETTER direct a Captain America flick...

  • June 21, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Just don't give him the "cool badass" one-liners

    by Doctor_Sin

    It's getting played out and this film deserves better.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    They're not "doing Ultimate Nick Fury," necessarily

    by Ribbons

    Just because they cast the guy who Ultimate Nick Fury was modeled on doesn't mean the character is going to be anything like him.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Yeah, that's true Ribbons...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...but if they take the face of Ultimate Nick Fury, but the character of regular Nick Fury, then to me they've done a disservice to the fans of Ultimate Nick Fury, who would naturally expect that's the character they are going to be getting on screen. If you cast Jackson then it should be the Ultimate character that you base everything else about him on, otherwise it just feels too much like trying to straddle the fence, which usually ends up pleasing niether side.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I heard Jackie Chan was also in it . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . as The Black Panther.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Geez...

    by stones_throw

    ...you'll be able to tell whether he's acting like Ultimate or regular based on a cameo? The difference between them is almost negligible anyway. Maybe 616 Fury is a little more hands on.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Stunt Casting is lame

    by cowboyone

    WTF?

  • June 21, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Sam Jackson as Nick Fury.....

    by TheLawyerKobayashi

    MOTHERFUCKING AWESOME! I think it's a Perfect choice, thanks Moriarity!... I now have wood considering this news, the fact Blade Runner:Final Cut is coming out and Edward Norton is gonna be the Hulk

  • June 21, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Why oh why is the Ultimate Universe so popular?!?

    by GiggityGoo

    I can't understand it. "New takes on familiar characters"... which turns Captain America into a bitter thug and Wolverine into a Gen-X "bad boi". Why are the movie people tapping into this side-project, instead of going to the original source material? I'm no racist, I have nothing against Sam Jackson... I just want my comic icons to stay true to their roots when they hit the big screen.<p>I guess the main reason this bothers me is that, given a choice between Classic Nick Fury and New Nick Fury, they went with the latter. And since Marvel's next big-screen adaptation is going to be Cap... I'm *terrified* that the Ultimate version is going to be used. That travesty of a character.<p>Sigh. I guess I should just sit back and see what happens, but... dammit, Cap matters to me!

  • June 21, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Ultimate Nick Fury got his arm punched off

    by Shigeru

    true story.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    GiggityGoo

    by Shigeru

    The Ultimates is better than The Avengers has been....almost ever... <br>Ultimate Cap > crying, surrendering, DEAD 616 Cap.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    good grief

    by NormanFell

    Sam Jackson playing Fury does NOT mean MARVEL has picked ULTIMATES as template. Sam was basis for new Fury. Plus he is a movie star with a penchant for geeky coolness (windu, mr glass). I think Arad always said there would be some blending of Marvel classic and Ultimates due to ever expanding fan base. I just want an Avengers movie that isnt weighed down with indivudal origin story...just jump right into the action. Or maybe a New Defenders movie where Valkyrie and Gargoyle get freaky

  • June 21, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Fucking AWESOME if it's true

    by Steve Rogers

    I'll miss classic Nick but then even Marvel won't put him in a book these days! So if they're gonna go the Ultimate route then why the hell not use the very man himself? SAM JACKSON, fuckin' A.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Holy shit!!

    by Varakor

    Sam "The Man" Jackson as hard ass Nick Fury!!!! Sweet glory that is Jeebus, this IS the COOLEST news this site has posted to date!! I wasn't to excited about Iron Man before, but now....... yes yes dear god yes!!

  • June 21, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Giggity Goo, you're right but I really don't think...

    by stones_throw

    ...it will make a difference for Nick Fury. And I seriously doubt they'll put Mark Millar's adolescent Captain America on the big screen. IRON MAN certainly looks like a very classic version.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Shigeru

    by stones_throw

    Surrendering, crying Cap is NOT the 616 Cap. Mark Waid, one of the greatest Cap writers, on Civil War: "I think the finale showed such a fundamental lack of understanding of who Captain America is that my jaw is still on the floor, but, oh, well."

  • June 21, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    THIS FUCKING RULES

    by ObiWanCon

    I WANT A FUCKING NICK FURY MOVIE WITH SAM JACKSON FUCKING NOW BECAUSE THIS IS FUCKING AWeSOME.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    FUCK!

    by stones_throw

    <>

  • June 21, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    stones_throw

    by Shigeru

    um. Isn't the definition of "616 Cap" the Captian America published in mainstream Marvel Comic Books? I agree with you that he was out of character, tho.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Shigeru

    by stones_throw

    Well, that was my point. :)

  • June 21, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Oh no!

    by MEMFLIXsFormerBoss

    Do we really want ultimate avengers?Black Nick Fury?Gay Thor?Is this the Avengers or the Eracists?

  • June 21, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Wow.

    by Darth Thoth

    Wow... Wow.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Black Fury

    by Varakor

    There are some characters in any universe, that you can toy with when it comes to Race and get away with it on screen or in the comics. Hell Stan Lee did his own take on Batman and made him black. (that comic sucked by the way). If your gonna dig in the bottom of the comic trenches, you can toy with cerain characters and make their on screen personas work with any race. Luke cage, yes. Blue Beetle, yes. War Machine? sure. Red Falcon? why not. Steel? Hell yes, freakin Shaq sucked balls! I'd rather see the character played by a native indian, make him something like Forge (whom you can't toy with when it comes to race). Alls I'm saying is, doesn't matter if Nick Fury is black or white, so long as the person playing him personafize his hard assness, and Sam "The Fucking Man" has the balls of steels to pull it off proper. I can see him talking down to Tony Stark now "SAY WHAT AGAIN!!!! SAY WHAT AGAIN!! I double dog dare you motherfucker, say what again!!!"

  • June 21, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Coolness

    by DARKSELFINSIDE

    There's nothing more to say...well...Fuck the haters!

  • June 21, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    They're filming Nick Fury's dancing scene...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...and it promises to be the badassest coolest dancing scene in a Marvel movie yet...

  • June 21, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    I disagree Varakor

    by Mother_Gunshot

    You can't change War Machine from Black to White. That's his main point: the angry black dude; the armor AND the attitude. Don't go putting fucked up ideas in these Marvel jackasses' heads!

  • June 21, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Sheesh... It's SAM JACKSON, motherfuckers!!!

    by JusticeSabre

    You acting like you're gonna get the wack-ass 90s Hasselhoff Nick Fury. <br> <br> GTFOOHWTBS. <br> <br> The man made a movie about snakes on a fucking plane enjoyable, for fuck's sake.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Not to mention

    by Mother_Gunshot

    a female, lesbian, jewish, asian War Machine. THAT would be one fucked up idea.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    GREATEST NEWS EVER!

    by BenFerris

    I seriously haven't heard this great of comic book news ever. They're actually casting someone according to how they were referenced in an actual comic book. Nick Fury in The Ultimates actually looked like Sam Jackson, he said Sam Jackson should play him. And there's no better movie for him to appear in than Iron Man, other than an actual S.H.E.I.L.D. movie. This news brightens my day so much.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    huh?

    by Mother_Gunshot

    Motherfuckin Snakes on a motherfuckin plane enjoyable? That was boooooooring. I'd jack off on Julianna Margulies smile, though. In a stewardess jacket, no less.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    racist morons

    by ByTor

    So let me see. You have no problems buying a modern (current era) movie wherein a former WWII noncom is now the head of a supersecret spy agency (seeing as how most former WWII noncoms are now either dead or very, very old). But make him African-American and suddenly you're unable to suspend disbelief?<P>Put aside the whole Ultimates thing (as I do, since I've never read them). The movies change elements and continuity from the comics all the time (as they should, since they cannot rely on the insular geek community for success; they need much greater numbers). And here we have a chance to get a guy who can really act, at least in this kind of role. Who the fuck cares what color he is? Would you rather have Keanu, or Kevin Costner, or some other white guy that can't act? Jackson is perfect IMO -- the typical "SLJ" attitude matches up perfectly with the Nick Fury attitude.<P>And shuddup about the Black Panther, who was clearly written specifically as an African-origin character and oft involved in civil rights issues. Totally different thing.<P>And as for the Falcon/Robin remarks...yes, those are the same. A white Falcon appearing in a Captain America movie would indeed be like an African-American Robin appearing in a Batman movie, in the sense that both are stupid characters regardless of race and both should be excluded from ALL movies, again regardless of race.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    at last year's comic con jon said no shield or fury

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    would be in it .... that mutha fucka lied

  • June 21, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Mother_Gunshot

    by Chishu_Ryu

    You may now enter the 21st century. Really. I think it would be quite refreshing to see a female, lesbian, Jewish, Asian War Machine. Quite refreshing, indeed.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    That TB NEEDED some "Racist!" trolling

    by Mother_Gunshot

    Can someone mention Roman Polanski buttfucking a teenage girl, so the flame war can REALLY begin?

  • June 21, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    You can change War Machine

    by Varakor

    John Travolta, Vin Diesel, Colin Ferrel, hell I'll even say Ben Affleck can play War Machine, so long as the essence of the character is intact, it can be pulled off.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    It does seem blatent that new Nick looks like Sam

    by Dazzler69

    All those years ago when Ultimate Avengers came out. Marvel put out a big fishing pole for that one.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Fuck Yeah!!!!! Goddamn. I wake up to this?

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Wow this movie just keeps getting better and better with every story that appears. Truly could be the greatest comic book movie ever made from all the things that are happening with it from director, story and actors. Jesus Christ and we got to wait how long? This is so awesome and a PERFECT PERFECT casting for Mr Fury. I am just dumbfounded with glee right now!!

  • June 21, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Hasselhoff was the best

    by tonamania

    Those expertly choreographed fight scenes and tough guy acting were top notch. Seriously, isn't this just a variation off his Triple X character?

  • June 21, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by Mother_Gunshot

    Yeah, I'm an old fart stuck into the dark ages. A female War Machine is something too edgy and topical for me to handle. Kidding aside, I'm not opposed to changes, as long as they are 1/ badass 2/ clever or 3/ not PC-driven.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Heeey, I like the Falcon

    by DARKSELFINSIDE

    :)

  • June 21, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Geek See No Color

    by cheezwhipper

    Is this really an issue to you guys? Really?

  • June 21, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Explain me how in plu-perfect hell Travolta

    by Mother_Gunshot

    could convey the essence of War Machine? Seriously, he can play a rasta alien or a fat woman, or even Goldmember but c'mon!!!

  • June 21, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Female, lesbian, Jewish, Asian War Machine...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...talk about a character with some issues. Man.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Stop with the "color issue" please

    by Mother_Gunshot

    No one here mentioned the skin color as an issue. It was Earth 616 vs Ultimates all along. Except the clueless guys who don't know Ultimate Avengers. Overall, an healthy debate.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    John Travolta could pull it off...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...a female, lesbian, Jewish, Asian War Machine, I mean. He IS playing that mom character in the Hairspray movie...

  • June 21, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Hey, Sammy Davies Jr was

    by Mother_Gunshot

    black, jewish, short, one-eyed, surrounded by the mob, lived in the 50's and dated a white chick! THAT would be a hell of a comic book character! Talk about issues!

  • June 21, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    better be true or I'll be FURY-ous...

    by RockLobster800

    MOOOHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!! sorry, I couldnt help that....

  • June 21, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Ummmm...Sorry...but Hasselhoff is Nick Fury...

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    I know..I've seen that movie..he's even got the eye-patch...

  • June 21, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Hold on to your butts.

    by deadshot07

    "The very best there is. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherfucker in the room, accept no substitutes." I thought another quote from Pulp Fiction would be repetitive.

  • June 21, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    I hate the Ultimate line

    by Sith Witch

    Because now it's seen as definitive.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Scarecrow is in Dark Knight!!

    by boyblue

    Just seen it over on SHH! Cillian Murphy has been spotted filming a scene with his Scarecrow gang! This rocks balls!! Fat Kids are chest bumping all other the world!

  • June 21, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Sam Jackson as Nick Fury?

    by Abominable Snowcone

    NO! Where the hell do they get the idea to cast a black African American typecast actor in the role of a scruffy but tough, middle aged WHITE guy? Sam has his great moments, but this role just isn't for him. This would be better for someone like, oh, TOM JANE

  • June 21, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    What About James Brolin?

    by skydog

    He's Dreamy ;)

  • June 21, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    After reading above

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I see that the "Ultimate" Nick Fury is a black guy, but like I said in FF and Spidey TBs, the "Ultimate" universe is pretty obscure to EVERYONE who doesn't read comics TODAY, which I don't. So, just like the only Galactus in my world is a giant purple man, the only Nick Fury is the white guy with the eyepatch

  • June 21, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I Have To Disagree

    by Barron34

    I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with those who say that if you think Nick Fury should be played by a white guy, you are a racist. I grew up on Marvel comics in the 70s, and practically learned to read from The Avengers. You want your childhood heroes and archetypes to remain as they were. Nick Fury is a character that has been around since WWII, with his Howling Commandos, up until becoming S.H.I.E.L.D. Director in modern times. I know that he is Black in the Ultimates, and Sam Jackson is a great actor, but Old School fans such as myself want to see our old heroes on the screen as we grew up with them, not the alternitive versions in the non-canonical Ultimates. Again, this is not racist, and I find it insulting that this is implied or stated by others. The Ultimates stuff may sometimes be interesting, but it is not true Marvel to someone who grew up on the classic stuff. There are plenty of great Black characters in the Marvel Universe that I would love to see on film. I would especially like to see a Black Panther film. Lawrence Fishburne would be great for that role. Anyway, I would be psyched to see Sam Jackson in just about any role, but he just isn't Nick Fury to my mind's eye.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Fucking retarded

    by ScamsAndFlams

    for a variety of reasons, YES including the fact that they switched Nick Fury's race for absolutely no reason. (i know they did this in the ultimates or whatever the fuck, don't bother)

  • June 21, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    You Fucking Retards- Ultimates was MODELED FROM JACKSON

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    YOU DUMB CUNTS

  • June 21, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Just look

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UltimateNickFury.jpg

  • June 21, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Nick Fury: old white dude with an eye patch & cigar

    by Heckles

    'Nuff said.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    The main problem with Sam Jackson

    by Mother_Gunshot

    is PRECISELY his geekness. The man can turn shit into lead (Deep Blue Sea, xXx, SWAT) and lead into gold. And he starred in what is in my humble motherfuckin opinion the best comic flick to date (Unbreakable - OK it's not technically a comic flick, and it's a M. Night Shenanigan movie: start the hating fools!) BUT he showed he can sell out his geekness big time with the prequels, and Singleton's so-called "Roundtree sequel/reboot" (can't even call it by its name). So, we better be CAUTIONOUSLY optimistic.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    As long as they don't use the Ultimate Iron Man suit!!!

    by Spunky Backpack

    You know, to be honest it used to irritate the shit out of me that DC and Marvel films didn't stick to continuity...However, I'm now comfortable with the fact that the Film 'universes' of these characters are essentially their own line with their own set of rules. If they want to cherry pick the best elements from all of the different versions out there then I'm happy with that. I LOVE the Ultimates version of Fury and am fucking delighted he'll be in the film and if they want to mix that up with old school universe Iron Man then all the better...Wasn't overly excited about this film, but that's all changed now...

  • June 21, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    FUCK YOU RACISTS

    by antonphd

    What the FUCK are racists doing in this fucking talkback?? I thought comic geeks were good people? Who gives a shit if Batman is played by a black person or a white person?!<p> <p> Tell me that mother fucking Denzel Washington wouldn't kick the ever loving shit out of everyone who's been batman so far. Fuck... Wesley Snipes PLAYED Batman in the Blade movies and Blade 2 was THE best Batman movie to date.<p> <p> If you can't handle a character who was white being played by someone who's black... you are a mother fucking racist mother fucker. And you are a pretty pathetic racist when you can't even handle comic book movie characters being played by different races. Wow. So much for all the talk about how comics are mature and readers are mature and how it's not just a kids thing. <p> <p> This is why comic geeks get dismissed and marginalised. Because when it finally does come to what matters in REAL LIFE... they are anything but mature. And NOBODY respects a 30, 40, 50 year old kid who can't handle having a comic book character be played in a movie by a black actor?!<p> <p> Guess what fuckers?? All the fucking comic characters are fucking white! Cause america was still fucking racist and couldn't deal with black heroes. Oh, yeah, except the who 3 of them that anyone was able to sneak out.<p> <p> "But it's about continuity" Lieing mother fuckers. That's like people saying that white and black people shouldn't marry because of the cultural differences. It's a bullshit excuse for racism.<p> <p> I can't believe anyone who complains that Nick Fury is played by a black actor has the nerve to even say it to the world... even in Talkback.<p> <p> How in the world anyone didn't get the moral of EVERY FUCKING COMIC EVER MADE about right and wrong and standing up against oppression... If you have a problem with a black Nick Fury... you are NO comic lover.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Anger issues antonphd?

    by Philvis

    Geez man, if people think he should be like the comic book, that is their opinion. If Blade was White or Hispanic there would be similar people being upset. I'm all for a Hoff reprisal myself.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Baxter Stockman

    by deadshot07

    They made him a black guy on the new Turtles cartoon.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Fucking Hypocrites- You don't even read comics...

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    Yet you have an opinion on every fuckin' bit of comic news. THIS obviously shows that just about 2 out of 100 of you actually KNOW that the updated Fury *IS* Sam Jackson in the comics.. BUT since you don't read them and spout your bullshit here, you know exactly JACK SHIT.. so.. fuck off DICKWADS

  • June 21, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Personally...

    by Varakor

    I'd like to see Ken Wantanbi or that guy that played the main baddie in Oldboy as Batman, now that would be SWEET!! Oh yea and Sam Rules and he will rule as Nick Fury, let's get over it haterz.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    antonphd and Lou Reed

    by Mother_Gunshot

    "Blade 2 was the best batman": - 10000 cred points, sorry. Lou Reed: actually the vast majority here knows his stuff. I've noticed only 3 or 4 TBers unaware of Ultimate's Fury. And that doesn't make them hypocrites, just ignorant.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Philvis

    by antonphd

    "Geez man, if people think he should be like the comic book, that is their opinion. If Blade was White or Hispanic there would be similar people being upset."<p> <p> It's a racist opinion. I'm pretty disgusted by racism. My opinion in response is that they are fuckers.<p> <p> Is that allowed? Can I feel that way and say so?<p> <p> If they want their opinion to matter in a public forum, they had better handle it being critisized.<p> <p> By the way... in the REAL WORLD, we get upset about certain things we discuss, such as racism, genocide, tyrany, microwaves that break after using them for only 3 weeks, currupt politicians. It's a GOOD thing. It is the actual topics that a mature person gets upset when talking about as opposed to 'nipples on batman' or 'flames on optimus'.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    RE: Baxter Stockman

    by Varakor

    was originally black in the original TMNT comics. Peter Laird went back to the source when he made the new series. I have no idea where Fastforward fits in though.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    What's mature in shouting "racism!"

    by Mother_Gunshot

    when it's uncalled for? That's just trolling 101.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Varakor

    by deadshot07

    I had no idea. All my Turtles info comes from the cartoons and video games. This is miles away from the topic but is the new cartoon closer to the comic source material than the previous one?

  • June 21, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Mother_Gunshot

    by antonphd

    Read some of the posts above and if you can't figure it out, well, that's too bad for you.<p> <p> There's a lot of mature adult comic lovers and it pisses us off when assholes misrepresent. THAT is what really pisses me off here. There's a good half dozen posts above complaining about a black actor playing a white character... and most responses are sypathetic. What the fuck?!

  • June 21, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Jon Favreau has chosen Samuel L. Jackson. Here's why...

    by i pwn teh suk and i pwn it well

    Because when Avi Arad says he wants someone, he fucking well gets it!

  • June 21, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Marvel characters and white folks

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Back in the 60's when Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and everyone else were creating legends, they also lived in a culture where civil rights was still growing as a movement. White America was the only thing that existed for popular media. It's all you saw on TV, in the movies, and in the comics. There were one or two memorable pioneers in the medium, like Sydney Poitier in movies. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby tackled it a few times with the creation of Black Panther and the Al Harper character in Silver Surfer. But that was about it until the Blaxploitation era of the 70's and the rise of Luke Cage. Someone in an above post mentioned "archtypes." That's exactly it. Until recently, the main creators of movies, TV, and comics were white folks, European Americans, and they came up with their material with a white audience in mind. And this ideal archtypical idea of what the movie or comic hero should be became burned into popular culture, a white guy or a white girl. Well, we no longer live in White America. (though Mark Burnett's reality TV shows still try to tell us different). Our popular culture is slowly attempting to make up for centuries of disenfranchising. So please help the cause and get over your "archtype" ideal of what a classic character's race should be. Invisible Girl is Jessica Alba, Nick Fury is Sam Jackson, and your future President of the United States might just be...

  • June 21, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    ByTor And Others

    by Barron34

    The Nick Fury character has been treated with an anti-aging regimen in some mystery-shrouded versions of his backstory. And obviously he became an officer after serving as a sergeant in WWII. Sometimes non-comms go to officer candidate school. Is this too unbelievable in a comic-book universe where men fly and shoot lasers from their eyes and giant aliens come down from the sky to devour the Earth? *****Finally, yes, Fury is a secondary character, but he is an ICONIC and IMPORTANT secondary character in the Marvel Universe. One of the most important things about Fury is that he helps to tie many members of the Marvel Universe together, and is often an important source of exposition in the stories he is a supporting charcter in. He represents governmental authority in a way that no other character does, not even Captain America or the corporatist Iron Man. Anyway, Fury is not a throw-away character to Old School fans like myself. I was an especially big Captain America fan when I was a kid, and Nick Fury is an integral part of the Captain America mythos (don't get me started on the whole "Death of Captain America" thing). *****Anyway, it is not racist to point out that race is a component of character, just like gender, religion, hair color, personality, etc. I would be royally pissed if they made a Captain America movie with a Falcon who wasn't African-American, or if they made Steve Rogers an American Indian, or the Black Widow a man. Heck, I'd be pissed if they gave Steve Rogers red hair. That doesn't mean I hate people with red hair. It just means that I'd prefer to see the characters I grew up with portrayed with the hair color, gender, whatever that they had for the years and decades that I have read about them. It means no disrespect to anyone whatsoever. This whole issue is something of a tempest in a tea-pot.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Ultimate Crap!

    by BenJGrimm64

    I'm a big Sam fan and all; and I understand that he is a big comics fan, which is cool! I still would not have cast him. They didn't call and ask my view, so, too bad!;=) While I respect many people who read Ultimate Books, I personally don't care for them. That said, this is a Hollywood production, and we all know that Hollywood doesn't give a SHIT about what the hardcore fans want! They prove it with every comic based film, even the few decent ones that slip through! I've long since realized that comic book adaptations to film are never gonna be 100% faithful, even when written and directed by people who CLAIM to be fans of the characters. It SUCKS, but what can we do?

  • June 21, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Antonphd

    by stones_throw

    I think it's the way you said it rather than what you're saying. But honestly, I seriously doubt it's a racist reaction. In fact, to me it seems a LOT like the nipples on Batman, flames on Optimus reaction. People just want a moving version of the comics. If they made Superman's suit red instead of blue, people would be up in arms. Doesn't mean they think blue's better than red. With Nick Fury I don't understand their concerns but I certainly wouldn't call it racist.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    THE KING OF COOL : SAM JACKSON

    by ludmir88

    Oh btw Scarecrow is back in the Dark Knight if didn't know!!!

  • June 21, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Racisim, sorry, don't see it.

    by Philvis

    I've gone through the feedback and it looks like legitimate opinions people are giving. Throwing racism out as a reason is just plain silly if there is no reason to justify it. The people shouting racism on this TB are the ones who are spreading the hate and definitely showing it. I've not seen hateful comments otherwise. I've not read comic books in years, but I do prefer what I grew up with. I've seen some of the Ultimates stuff over the past couple years when I was browsing at stores, and I really don't care for the re-invention of the characters...sorry. I'm sure Sam Jackson will be just fine as the character, but that doesn't mean I have to love the whole Ultimates thing and not prefer the classic stuff.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Deadshot07

    by Varakor

    Yea the new series is much closer to the comics than the original series, April is not a reporter but Baxter's assistant as she was portrayed in the books, no bebop or rocksteady, Splinter is was originally a rat turned into... a man rat lol. Except for FastForward, the new TMNT series is just damn fantastic.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    antonphd - chill the fuck out

    by Mother_Gunshot

    these guys were complaining because, you know... there are two Nick Fury: one with whom they grew up, and the new one. They want to stick with their childhood memories, and whether there is an underlying racism or not you couldn't fuckin tell unless you knew personally the Talkbacker. EVERY FUCKING TB has some tight-assed guy misinterpreting (consciously sometimes - that's trolling) other's POV.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Barron34

    It is dangerous and volatile to accuse people of racism without being certain that is the case. It can be like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Yelling "racism!" without really discussing what is going on will not, in itself, solve anything. And for those who said there are no Black superheroes, try: the Black Panther (a great character that I have always loved, a superhuman athlete and noble scientist from the super-technolgically advanced country of Wakanda; a character that I think deserves his own lavish, big budget summer movie; I think Lawrence Fishburne would be great as T'Challa, as I have stated before); Luke Cage/Power Man, a great second-tier character who has first tier potential, and who arose out of the Civil Rights Era and as a response to Blaxploitation; The Falcon, a supporting character to Captain America, but a great character that reflected America and helped to address race in America; Storm from the X-Men- the first truly great character that is both Black and a Woman, a character that has a great legacy and continues to thrive both in comics and in film; Blade, the Vampire Hunter, a cool 70s horror comic character that Wesley Snipes personified on film and who jumpstarted the entire superhero movie boom we are undergoing now. Could there be more Black superheroes? Yes, but to say there are none and have been none is not at all accurate.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I love waking up

    by ewokstew

    And hearing great news like this. I was excited about this movie to begin with now I'm counting down the days until it comes out. Excelsior!

  • June 21, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Philvis

    by antonphd

    Read what Chishu_Ryu wrote. That is exactly what it is.<p> <p> And let's look at what was said above again... and I did not take a single one out of context.<p> <p> "Are we supposed to overlook the fact that he's BLACK by ToddBoddy"<p> <p> "ARGH!!! Nick IS White!! by Cpt Shaw"<p> <p> "Next Up... Steve Martin IS Black Panther! by Long Tooth"<p> <p> "But about the racial issue:<p> by DerLanghaarige<p> Doesn't matter if you are a racist or not, Nick Fury has been white for ages! Imagine what would happen if they would cast a white actor as Shaft!"<p> <p> "Nick Fury is not "black nowadays"...<p> by Sledge Hammer<p> ...there's a completely seperate version of him that happens to be black in the comparitively very small section of the Marvel Universe that covers the various Ultimate related books, in the other 95% of what consists of the regular Marvel Universe and Marvel Titles he's still the original classic (and white) Nick Fury that he's always been, so why don't you "get with the times" fuckwit."<p> <p> "I guess once Nick Fury went black....<p> by Long Tooth<p> ...he never went back? It's not that people are against a black hero. Far from it, it's just that Fury’s been white for - I don't know - 40 years? And he's still around in the “Mainstream Marvel Universe”. The Ultimate version has been around for maybe 5 years? Keep things in perspective. It’s not racism, it precedent and history."<p> <p> "Hasselhoff was the best<p> by tonamania"<p> <p> "Sam Jackson as Nick Fury?<p> by Abominable Snowcone<p> NO! Where the hell do they get the idea to cast a black African American typecast actor in the role of a scruffy but tough, middle aged WHITE guy? Sam has his great moments, but this role just isn't for him. This would be better for someone like, oh, TOM JANE"<p> <p> "Fucking retarded<p> by ScamsAndFlams<p> for a variety of reasons, YES including the fact that they switched Nick Fury's race for absolutely no reason. (i know they did this in the ultimates or whatever the fuck, don't bother)"<p> <p>

  • June 21, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Falcon was Cap's whipping boy...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    You know it to be true...

  • June 21, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Nick Fury in FF 2

    by Caped Revenger2

    Sorry if someone else already posted this, but wasn't it the case that Ultimate Nick Fury was essentially General Hager in Fantastic Four 2? It seems like that movie drew more from the Ultimate Galactus storyline than the original Lee/Kirby version. I love the new Fury, he has that ambivalent quality that you only see in comics of recent years. When he's written in the right way, you really don't know whether he is in the right or wrong, he is just there, like any powerful enigmatic figure.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, guys. David Hasselhoff was VERY good

    by rodrigospot

    Because he was white, and apparently thats all that is required to make an acceptable nick fury.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Barron34

    by antonphd

    Yeah, and black people feel more secure with a master. And women need a man to guide them. And children just want to get attention. And if we raise minimum wage there will be less jobs. Now, back to reality. There were HOW MANY WHITE SUPERHEROES compared to black superheroes?

  • June 21, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Jon Favreau deserves a deep throat blow job!

    by -=Shin=-

    Awesome news Drew! Thank God for Jon Favreau going to bat to get such good casting in Iron Man!

  • June 21, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Marvel a progressive comic company

    by Badlieutenant

    Anyone else notice how DC doesn't have any decent "full time" ethnic super heroes. And most of them up until the last few decades were very stereotypical , i.e Black Lighting. Also DC's version of Wakanda is inhabited by Gorillas. And as long as they have a Helicarrier, Im cool.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    That's trolling bullshit antonpdh

    by Mother_Gunshot

    and you know it. At least Chishu Ryu got his history right. You're just picking up what suits your irrelevant BS and scream "racism" where there's not.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    This is awesome casting.

    by mr. brownstone

    Anyone who can't see that is a song and dance man to the core.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    so they got the guy they based it on

    by batmanthehorse

    thats fucking sweet. they based it off jackson and now he's playing the role in the movie. I don't see the problem.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Sorry antonphd,

    by Philvis

    But I think you are mixing up racism with folks who don't like change in their established comic book histories/lore. Those comments are from people who don't like the fact they are using the newer Ultimates background for Nick Fury. If someone prefers the old Nick Fury to the new Ultimates one, that doesn't make them racist does it? Now go back and read the racist accuser comments. Who is preaching hate? I think you have created an issue where one didn't exist. As I said before, I think Sam Jackson will do fine, but I don't want the Ultimates universe taking over Marvel movies. Stick with the original stuff.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Michael Jordan is Superman...Dwayne Wade is Flash...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Those are the REAL superheroes...

  • June 21, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Not about race...

    by BenJGrimm64

    It's just a SHAME that such a discussion has to be about race! I love Sam Jackson as actor! I love Nick Fury as a comic book icon! Ok, it's not as if this will be the first time a fictional character's race has been changed. One instance that leaps to mind is that of Felix Lighter, James Bond's CIA buddy. He was played by the excellent actor Bernie Casey (Never Say Never Again). As a big Bond fan, I didn't cry about it. It wasn't the end of the world. Nor will Jackson playing Fury be. Like Casey, he'll do a great job! I would persoanlly prefer that when you cast a classic chacter from a comic, or a book, particularly one who has been established with a certain look, they should go with the traditional appearance. Is THAT a "RACIST" view? Kirby wasn't being a "racist" when he created Fury. He based him on a certain type of New York street kid that he had grown up with. Bringing race into this is just sad. It's also a bit childish!

  • June 21, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    every single super hero has been a white guy

    by CQuest

    and yall wanna bitch and moan about this ONE? one, where the character is even molded after sam i am? fuck outtta here you bitching whining assholes. i swear white people are the biggest crybabies ever in life.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Life imitates art

    by George Edwards

    Life imitates art. Perfect, meant-to-be Ultimate Universe casting. In Brian Hitch's mind's eye, his Nick Fury was modeled after Jackson. And I'm sure Sam is thrilled he will now be a part of the Marvel Universe.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Mother_Gunshot

    by antonphd

    what are you talking about? trolling bullshit? someone can call having a black actor in the role of a superhero "stunt casting" and I'M talking bullshit?! in case you can't understand what the dude meant by stunt casting... he meant having a popular black actor put in the role just to reach the black audience for the movie. as in, Sam Jackson would never be seriously considered for the role otherwise. sorry dude, but I didn't even talk about what you said, because you are a sly mother fucker who says things just sweet enough that you can't be called on it and it wasn't worth argueing with your bullshit.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Yeah. Please stop this "racy" discusssion now

    by Mother_Gunshot

    I want this motherfucking bullshit out of the motherfuckin talkback!

  • June 21, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I am pleased at the news

    by kafka07

    I'm a happy motherfucker

  • June 21, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with Jack Kirby...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...and he said he's cool with Sam Jackson being Nick Fury. In fact, he couldn't think of a better choice, he said. So, there you go. From the King himself.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Philvis

    by antonphd

    dude, i didn't get bothered at all by people who didn't want the ultimates version of Nick Fury or who wanted a bigger or younger Nick Fury. THAT is what geek talk is ALL about. the comments I quoted had NOTHING to do with ultimates. and I didn't even bother quoting the ones who masked their shit by saying it was about the ultimates(and a few did, while most just really didn't like the ultimates).

  • June 21, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Once again...

    by tile_mcgillus

    Favs shows them how it is done. Take a note...everyone in Hollywood!

  • June 21, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    I Can't wait for the scene where Nick Fury and

    by Borgnine JR

    Iron Man talk about giving another man's woman a foot massage. Also, there better be a scene where the room is full of a dozen Sam Jackson LMD's. And they all stand up at the same time and yell"I want that motherfuckin' Shellhead off my motherfuckin' Hellicarrier!"

  • June 21, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    SNAKES ON A MUTHAFUCKIN' QUINJET!

    by The_Comedian

    If they have the serpent squad attack the Quinjet, I'm sold.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    antonpd

    by Mother_Gunshot

    you don't know shit about what the guy meant by "stunt casting" do you read his mind? No so shut the fuck up . I talked "stunt casting" myself when Downey was cast, does that make me a racist you genius? You're single-handedly ruining what could have been an great talkback about a genius piece of casting so stop your pointless whining you troll. CQuest rant about the white being the biggest cribabies is what looks the most like racism or bigotry or prejudice, and no one is up in arms because no one knows if he's serious or not. It may be a joke, just like you.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    TMNT, Mace Windu, and Racism

    by deadshot07

    It's unfair to call this Nick Fury stuff racist. Like a few others have pointed out, we grow up with preconcieved notions of who these characters are and what they look like. It's developed from comics, cartoons, and the toys we played with as kids. All of what we know derives from what we have stored in our heads. When someone changes our idea of what something is, whether it be flames on a robot, anatomically correct batsuits, or the ethnicity of a character, it threatens those memories. Sometimes it turns out kick ass, like I think this will, other times it's complete garbage. (Paul W.S Anderson's entire filmography.) I do see the Ultimate Marvel stuff as blaphsemy.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Fingers crossed....

    by Philvis

    I really hope this turns out to be a good movie. Early indications are pointing it is being done right. I just don't want it turning into that Ultimate Iron Man animated movie. That was garbage in my opinion. I think Sam Jackson's role will be limited and more of a brief intro to the character possibly because you don't want to distract from the main character in his movie debut.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    There's nothing like selectively quoting, is there...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...antonpdh? But keep right on trolling away trying to provoke a flamewar, no one's biting.<p> But for the record I said: <p> Nick Fury is not "black nowadays"...<p> ...there's a completely seperate version of him that happens to be black in the comparitively very small section of the Marvel Universe that covers the various Ultimate related books, in the other 95% of what consists of the regular Marvel Universe and Marvel Titles he's still the original classic (and white) Nick Fury that he's always been, so why don't you "get with the times" fuckwit."<p> And which I immediately followed with:<p>And again... by Sledge Hammer<p> ...if you're going to do Ultimate Nick Fury then this all makes perfect sense, and I have no problem with that, I just would have personally preferred the classic Nick Fury instead, that's all. <p> This was in direct response to:<p>Nick Fury is black nowadays you idiots<p> by Van Buren<p>Where have you been, get with the fucking times<p><p>And in previous posts I also said:<p>I don't care that he's black...<p> by Sledge Hammer<p> ...I just don't like the way the character is portrayed in the Ultimate Universe compared to classic Nick Fury, simple as that. Nor do I remember the last several runs of the regular Marvel Universe version of The Avengers being campy for that matter. I'm not ragging on the Ultimates, I'd just prefer they used the original established version of Nick Fury, not the johnny-come-lately Ultimate version, that's all. To me it's all about character, not colour.<p> That said, yeah, if they're going to go all Ultimate Nick Fury then of course it makes perfect sense to cast Sam "shouty" Jackson, given that the ultimate version was based on him and all, but what can I say, as a huge old school Nick Fury fan I just prefer the original incarnation better, that's all. And as such I would have personally preferred to see someone like Michael Wincott in the role. Wasn't to be though, so there you go.<p> I also posted:<p> Exactly, Long Tooth...<p> by Sledge Hammer<p> ...like I said, I'm not haterizing on this, if you're going to do Ultimate Nick Fury, which is apparently is what they have chosen to do, then the casting of the face of Ultimate Nick Fury, Sam "shouty" Jackson himself, makes perfect logical sense. I just personally would have preferred for them to go with the classic version, because I prefer the classic character, and despite sharing a name and some conceptual similarities, they are two decidedly different characters at the end of the day. But it's Ultimate Nick they're going with (which in itself isn't unexpected) so there you have it.<p> And finally:<p> Yeah, that's true Ribbons...<p> by Sledge Hammer<p> ...but if they take the face of Ultimate Nick Fury, but the character of regular Nick Fury, then to me they've done a disservice to the fans of Ultimate Nick Fury, who would naturally expect that's the character they are going to be getting on screen. If you cast Jackson then it should be the Ultimate character that you base everything else about him on, otherwise it just feels too much like trying to straddle the fence, which usually ends up pleasing niether side.<p><p>Yeah, I'm practically wearing a sheet on my head and burning crosses, aint I? But like I said, keep on trolling regardless.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    NERD RAGE!!!

    by jrbarker

    I love it. Or should I say, NERD FURY!

  • June 21, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Mother_Gunshot

    by antonphd

    wow, dude, you are a piece of work. is bullshit what you do for a living? or are you really that incapable of reading what people communicate without saying it directly. i don't know. maybe you aren't exposed to racism and you can't see it when it's coming across. well, it's not a consiracy... people are racist in varying degrees and that's the world we live in. and sorry for spoiling your little talk here by calling out racist bullshit.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Look, I like Sam Jackson, but FURY IS WHITE, DAMMIT!

    by googamooga

    Why does Hollywood occasionally feel the need to comepletely change a character? Is it just to be hip and edgy? (Wild Wild West, anyone?) There are plenty of black superheroes, Black Panther, Cloak, Shadowhawk, Luke Cage, to name a few, so its not like he couldn't get a chance in another movie. Argh... This kind of crap just really irritates me.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    My bad. Let's ignore the trolls

    by Mother_Gunshot

    and rejoice for the casting of MOTHERFUCKING SAM IN A MOTHERFUCKIN HELICARRIER!!! End of fucking story.

  • June 21, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Sam Jackson as Nick Fury=Mark Hamill as Blade

    by Dr Gregory House

    J/K. Sam Jackson = Hells yeah Mother Trucker

  • June 21, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Sledge Hammer

    by antonphd

    my apoligies. you're right. though... i'm not trolling. and people who have a problem with a white superhero being played by a black actor are racist. and i'm not trying to start a flame war or whatever. but way to try to dismiss what I said with a nice bullshit falacy. i was wrong about what you said and i'm happy to be corrected.

  • June 21, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Nova played by

    by deadshot07

    that kid from Even Stevens. What's his name?

  • June 21, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    YOU WHITE BOYS ARE WHINING LITTLE FAGGOTS

    by CQuest

    oh boo hoo one of the million white super heros gets worked over. boo fuckin hoo. little cry BABIES

  • June 21, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Mother_Gunshot

    by antonphd

    look at what googamooga said and tell me I'm trolling again. please.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    David Carradine Should Play An Asian Nick Fury!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    That would rock.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    "Tell that....

    by DARKSELFINSIDE

    .....bitch to chill-out Ringo!" Some of you guys should heed those words. Sam is Fury, end of story stop fucking whinning. Some of you apes make me sorry to be a comics fan. "Thery're raping my chilhood" comment always gets me and some of you little boys need to get....the....fuck......OVER IT! Betcha if Sam Jackson walked in the room you'd kiss his ass.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by antonphd

    dude, Bruce Willis isn't white?! he's IRISH!!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Who gives a SHIT about what color Nick Fury is???

    by finky089

    It's HOW the actor plays him that counts. Jesus christ, people. <p> That being said, they should have made his character a paraplegic so that in a future Marvel film cross over, he and Charles Xavier could could battle it out Murderball style! <p> Oh wait, Charles mindmelded into that new body now, didn't he?? Fuckin' X3...

  • June 21, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Cloak, Shadowhawk...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    "Plenty of black superheroes." Are you kidding me? There are only a handful of black comic characters who really matter: Black Panther, Green Lantern, Storm, Blade[because of the movies], Luke Cage, and...and...I think that's about it. Besides, shouldn't the white Nick Fury be dead now being that he's a freaking WWII vet? Sam Jackson's casting is an obvious choice, so make way for the new, modern, Gulf War vet Nick Fury!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Will Ferrell as Blade in "Blade Cuatro"!

    by googamooga

    booyah

  • June 21, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Apology accepted...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...but if you are going to paint someone as racist then you'd better be damn sure of your facts beforehand, it's not something you just throw around, because where I come from it fuckin' means something, and there are few worse things that you could ever be called. <p>Now I don't know who you are or where you come from, but without getting all Oprah believe me when I say I've seen the true face of racism rear it's ugly head enough times to truly know the difference between opinion, pc bullshit, ignorance, passive racism and actual full blown hatred. But yeah, whatever.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Nick Fury's a Mushroom Cloud laying mother fucker

    by Garbageday2007

    Lets just hope they can include his little white bitch on a chain in the Avengers movie....

  • June 21, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    YES, there are plenty of black superheros, douche.

    by googamooga

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_superheroes Now as to whether any of them matter, well...

  • June 21, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Take out the spaces in the link...

    by googamooga

    dammit, why does that always happen ONLY on this site?!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    What's more racist?

    by stones_throw

    A discussion about whether a traditional or Ultimate version of Nick Fury is better or yelling "racist!" when the words black and white are used?

  • June 21, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I'm tired of Sam Jackson cameos...

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Every time I see the guy show up someplace else he becomes less and less interesting. I'd prefer seeing the real Nick Fury, instead of the Ultimate version, but it doesn't matter. It's only an Iron Man movie. Wake me up when we get an X-O Manowar movie...

  • June 21, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    To Chishu_Ryu

    by DARKSELFINSIDE

    The original Nick Fury takes (if I remember right) something call the Infinity formula that slows his aging. Geek knowledge it's a beautiful thing. :)

  • June 21, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    googamooga

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Right, let's throw 100 million dollars into a summer blockbuster movie for Black Goliath, Sunspot, um, Falcon, er, Bishop, or what other F-grade black superhero is on your precious wikipedia list. You are exactly who antonphd is talking about you racist fuck.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Milla Jovovich as Black Widow

    by RussianRocket

    better happen...

  • June 21, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    As Long as they have an Indian War Machine...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Us Indians need some representation. And no, Kal Pan does not count!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    DARKSELF

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Wow, someone knows their Nick Fury! I stand corrected. Does he also take Botox injections with that Infinity formula?

  • June 21, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Wil Wheaton as Axel Foley in Beverly Hills Cop 5

    by googamooga

    Oh, and eat shizzle, Chishu_Ryu, or would you prefer flied lice?

  • June 21, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Scott Thompson as Mike Lowry in Bad Boys 3!!

    by googamooga

    !!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Sledge Hammer

    by antonphd

    My parents are full on racist mother fuckers. my dad's one piece of advice in life was "I will feel sorry for any son of mine who had to settle for marrying a black girl". great dad.<p> <p> he and my mother adopted my brother Joe, who's philipino, and they had him be their little slave boy his whole life. he's 32 and still at home taking care of their newest batch of adopted kids while they relax and live it up. they have control of his bank accounts form his job and he gets a gas weekly allowance. they say they just don't know what they'd do if he wasn't there to help them out.<p> <p> they have him convinced that he's not smart enough to make it on his own and when he thinks of leaving they don't allow him to. they actually yell at him and tell him he's not leaving. and he's so fucking beat down from being beaten(along with all of us, my brother and I the jews) his whole childhood that he does what they tell him.<p> <p> yeah, my parents are a real piece of work. but at least they are pillars of the community and good old god fearing racists. yeah, racism is fucked up and it still happens today.<p> <p> my parents are monsters and nobody who complains about a black Nick Fury comes even in the same ballpark, but that's why I am particularly sensitive to racism in any degree. even from myself when I was to call my parents racist german nazi motherfuckers. damn, that was a lot of real life i just revealed there, damn.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Alexis Denisoff as Kimbo in "Kimbo: My Life Story"

    by googamooga

    !!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Anyways...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...Now that we have a Nick Fury I hope that he continues popping up in Marvel Universe movies until they are prepared to take a risk on a full on SHIELD movie. Yeah Ultimate Nick wouldn't have been my personal first choice, but now we have him let's at least put him to good use. And I'd like to see a full range of agents, including Black Widow, Jessica Drew (Spider-Woman), Dum-Dum Dugan, Agent 13 et al.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    "googamooga"

    by Chishu_Ryu

    So is that your real name, you fucking Neanderthal? Or is that what your Mom yells when it's time to call you out of the basement for dinnertime? "Googamooga!" I think your mom is calling...

  • June 21, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Geeks racist?

    by googamooga

    Perhaps, but you KNOW there'd be a shitstorm if this was originally a black hero who was being played by a white actor.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu? Does that come with fried wontons?

    by googamooga

    Or do I have to pay extra?

  • June 21, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    antonphd

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...That sucks man, but at least you see the error of their ways, which is something at least.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    NERDY WHITE WHINEY FUCKS

    by CQuest

    waaah waaah a super hero isnt the color you want him to be! oh noooo lets WHINE OUR ASSES OFF ABOUT IT

  • June 21, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Well, it basically WAS Samual L. Jackson

    by WONKABAR

    in that Avengers cartoon, so...this makes sense. This movie is gonna be sweet.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    CQuest...

    by Philvis

    Can't you see that everyone is ignoring the only racist comments being truly made in this TB while others are being accused falsely. Go away!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    BRUCE WILLIS FOR DUM DUM DUGAN!!!

    by Mother_Gunshot

    at least with the hat no one will notice if he's bald or not. And Favreau said the movie will be PG-13, so no swearing like newborn Bruce likes.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Big Step

    by BackwardGalaxy

    I've been visiting this site for a while, but never bothered with talkbacks. Had no choice on this one. This is great news. Had to say it... great step forward in superhero films with the potential for creating an actual UNIVERSE as opposed to just standalone series. Love it.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    googamooga

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The smackdown is free of charge. The fried wontons will have to come out of your weekly allowance. Now go clean your room. Or rather...Googamooga!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    The only thing I don't love about this is....

    by IndustryKiller!

    and don't get me wrong I do love this news, but having Jackson as Nick FUry gives a level of credit to Marvel's Ultimates Universe, which is written by superhero hating uber-hacks like Mark Millar (who made Jackson his template for Nick Fury) and Brian Michael bendis. GUys who, in case you are out of the loop, are hard at work destroying the character we know in love so much as I type this. But otherwise the vibe and energy Jackson is gonna bring to this movie can only make it better. God damn, if this doesn't have the potential to be the best superhero flick of all time I don't know what does. Absolutely fucking killer!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Philvis: ignore him pal

    by Mother_Gunshot

    That works. Antonpd: sorry about your bro. But I really didn't appreciate your insinuations. It's not because you disagree with me that you can label me, or anyone else. Peace.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    If Sam Jackson can play Nick Fury... and I think he can

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...then why does Jessica Alba have to wear those fucked-up blue contact lenses and bleached hair to play Sue Storm/Richards? Just go with the casting and say Sue and/or Johnny was adopted, its common enough. There are African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, and European Americans in my extended family due to inter marraige and adoption. Why not in the Storm family?

  • June 21, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Good point IndustryKiller!

    by Philvis

    I agree with you there. This looks to be a good movie in the making, but it is setting a bad precedent in regards to the Ultimates universe.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Is being Caucasian crucial to his character somehow?

    by Kevin Holsinger

    It's one thing to cast an Asian as Zorro, or a white supremacist as Luke Cage (unless this is a Dave Chappelle skit), but from what little I've seen of Fury, his race isn't a major part of who he is. So I for one am glad with the casting.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    CQUEST IS RIGHT!

    by SPACEHUNTER3-D

    u r all a bunch of pink pussys! u secritly want a big black thinng up inside u but know that yor hole is 2 tite. i luv black people they make me laf

  • June 21, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    for those who think geeks can't be racist...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... that itself is a stereotype. Geeks can be just as stupid and bigoted as anybody else. Furthermore it has been evidenced in the TalkBacks more times than I care to recall that geeks can be sexist and homophobic... so why not racist?

  • June 21, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    It will only matter

    by Philvis

    if they go with a WWII background history for Nick Fury as with the classic storyline. If they ignore that background, it really shouldn't matter.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    SPACEHUNTER3-D...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...just tell them to relax and breathe deeply, and use a LOT of lubrication... and everything should come out all right in the end...

  • June 21, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    now if tehy tryed 2 make jesus black

    by SPACEHUNTER3-D

    theni wud b relly fucking pissed!

  • June 21, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    hey u guys

    by SPACEHUNTER3-D

    relax and breath deeply and remeber 2 use lots of lub

  • June 21, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Jackson as Fury is cool but...

    by Grendel745

    I'm way more excited about the possibilities of having an actual Marvel movie universe with supporting characters being shared across franchises. That's something that Marvel comics has in spades over DC and it would be a beautiful thing to see realized in the movies to come. It would truly set the Marvel movies apart from other comic adaptions and as a long time fan I'm giddy with the thought.

  • June 21, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Philvis...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... the Howling Commandos could have been an African American Unit like the Tuskeegee Airmen or the 92nd and 93rd Infantries... Then in Korea after Truman integrated the Armed Forces, Fury would get his battlefield promotion to Colonel... This would make Fury an even more amazing individual than he is in the comics, as he would have succeeded in the face of the institutionalised rascism of the times...

  • June 21, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    SPACEHUNTER3-D re: Jesus...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... check this out: <P> http://www.aceshowbiz.com/php/video.php?t=Color of the Cross&f=/images/video/color_of_the_cross.mov <p> don't forget to fill in the gaps, I can't get tinyurl to work for me...

  • June 21, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Ultimate Universe Strikes Again! & I Hate It!

    by Norm3

    This is not Ultimate Universe Iron Man! Jackson is not my Nick Fury! This is bullshit! The Galactus cop out in FF was enough!!!!

  • June 21, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    The Howling Commandos had a black member...

    by stones_throw

    Gabe Jones - the first black hero in comics.

  • June 21, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Holy shit

    by CaptainTripps

    I seriously can't believe some of the people on this site sometimes. Let me get this straight, people who like the old cigar chompin, grey on the sides, blue and white battle suit Sgt. Nick Fury from the umpteen years of original Marvel continuity as opposed to the "ultimate" bald, dressed like Shaft, Sam Jackson look-alike version are racist? That is possibly the most ridiculous fucking thing I've ever heard. I love Samuel Jackson as an actor. I've enjoyed most of the movies he was in, including (god forgive me) Snakes on a Plane, but I would prefer to see Nick Fury on the big screen as a gristly, 5 0'clock shadowed white guy. That's the Nick Fury I grew up with. I would be just as disappointed if they cast a Colin Farrell as Jim Rhodes. I'm sure Jackson will be great and I'll end up liking the character for who he is in the movie, but its not what I would have preferred.<br> I'd be curious to know if any of the people shouting racism bitched that Bumblebee wasn't going to be a beetle in the Transformers movie. Are they prejudiced against Camaros?

  • June 21, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Actually, I'd heard about this...

    by C00L DUD3

    ...guess the rumor was true!! D.Chappelle as Sam Jack: "WHY DO I YELL IN ALL MY MOOOVIES!!!?

  • June 21, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    AntonPhd

    by Barron34

    I'm sorry, now you're just being stupid and trying to put words in my mouth. For a guy with a PhD, you need a refresher course in logic, you're using "the straw man" fallacy (of course I am responding with a bit of an adhominem attack, but you have to fight fire with fire sometimes). I've stated my views pretty reasonably, I think, and you just respond with invective, which is a non-response. Again, I would go back to my "Boy Who Cried Wolf" statement. When you run around calling something that might be innocuous "racist", you run the risk of diminishing the response to real racism, or at least more serious cases of racism. Race can obviously be a very sensitive subject to discuss, but instead of getting into a moral panic about something, why not take the opportunity to open a more reasonable discussion about the topic? Some people are saying that some fans are reacting knee-jerk style, and that proably is true for some, but it is not for others, I think (me being one, I hope). Again, why not try and address some of my ppints and engage a discussion instead of getting upset. I understand it can be a touchy subject sometimes, and honestly, I mean no harm. I do think it is a serious issue, and one of the sub-issues that I am referring to is that is we make a mountain out of a mole-hill (and the mole-hill might legitimately be there), what are we going to do when we encounter an actual mountain? I would prefer a discussion to a fire-fight.

  • June 21, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    PRO Ikamo

    by SPACEHUNTER3-D

    that just ridicilis. everbody knows that jesus looked like the guy from Nickelback

  • June 21, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Why Black Nick Fury beats White Nick Fury...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Blue Spandex makes it gay. The white stripey gray hair wings makes it gay. A big ass flying helicopter aircraft carrier shaped like Mickey Mouse's shoe makes it gay. A massively secret organization that's known by every fucking person on the planet makes it gay. Most of the crap that wasn't salvaged in the OG Marvel Universe by competent modern writers is now, in fact, an anachronism and gay. If you made it the same fucking carbon fucking copy as the comics when transferring these tales to film...G A Y. Marvel had a habit of designing shit that was fucking mental. Wait, I take that back, it was Kirby. He had a style that was fucking mental. You take anything that Kirby designed, and you try translating that mentally bent genius's shit to the screen...go ahead! It'll be like that failed Dali movie they made...Just too FUCKED UP. Like the New Gods...who the fuck has a beard that connects to his hair to make him look like a fucking furry dandelion!? Nobody. And nobody normal wants to look like that. Shit, you want big horned dude from space?! Why?! WHY?! Comics in the late '90s needed a fucking enema. Mark Millar comes from the deconstructionist school of writers, Ennis, Ellis, and that lot. I don't pine for the days when I would read a comic and ask...if they just locked Fury in a fucking cage, why doesn't he just take one of the grenades off his gear, or that gun from its holster?! They keep drawing him with that fucking gun! Even Cap chopped off a fucking vampire's head with his shield! USE THAT GUN, FURY! White Fury was a eunuch. Black Fury is a bad ass motherfucker. This is more good news about a movie I can't wait for. Fuck yes.

  • June 21, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Barron34

    Marvel made an effort to generate some Black characters back before they had ANY non-white employees. I think it is unfair to try to judge a bunch of white guys in the sixties by the standards of 2007. When a black kid is dreaming up ideas for superheroes, do you think he is dreaming up white or asian characters to start? No, of course not, he will naturally dream up black characters becuase he is black. Just becuase a caucasian guy has a natural tendncey to think up caucasian characters doesn't make him a racist, and frankly it diminishes real racism when you go around implying that someone is racist when they aren't. Again, it is the danger of the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Yes, there needs to be much more progress in media representations of non-whites everywhere, now and then. Well-meaning people are doing what they can, and it doesn't help the situation to be reactionary.

  • June 21, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    If Kirby Drew Jesus...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    He would look like the guy from Static-X.

  • June 21, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    "the guy who played Sabertooth and Ajax" for

    by Phategod1

    Thor

  • June 21, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Barron34

    by micturatingbenjamin

    My favorite character when I was really little was Cyborg from the Teen Titans. I'm a white guy. But something about the way George Perez drew him and Wolfman wrote him made me like him best of all. But I think that comes from growing up in a neighborhood among all kinds of folks, with my dad being career military. As I grew up, I started liking Batman best, but not because he was a rich white guy...but because he was a normal dude with no powers who decided to spend all that money on getting back at bad guys. I don't know.

  • June 21, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    What if Todd McFarlane drew Jesus?

    by WONKABAR

    .

  • June 21, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Re:WONKABAR

    by Mother_Gunshot

    the romans would have crucified him with one nail only.

  • June 21, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Fuck Off!!!!

    by Mezzanine

    Holy shit that is awesome!

  • June 21, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Gerard Butler for Nick Fury

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Make it so!

  • June 21, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Casting & the Racist Crap!

    by Norm3

    I'm so sick of the morons here calling everybody a racist anytime we disagree with a casting change. Boy would the shit hit the fan if Luke Cage was cast as white. Maybe Nick Cage could play him since he's a Comic Fan! But I don't want a white LC, but I sure as hell want the 616 characters when they make these movies. If they are making Ultimate Movies then I would say ok use Jackson! But don't mix the two universes!

  • June 21, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Excepte Nick Fury is kind of white...

    by JunoFallon

    *sigh*

  • June 21, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    "You don't like me because I'm white!"

    by Mother_Gunshot

    "NO, I don't like you because you're gonna get me killed!!!"

  • June 21, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    NO Fu(Gunshot) Way!

    by eric haislar

    Sweet Titties!

  • June 21, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    NONE of the Marvel movies are faithful to "616" canon

    by Multiplex

    So get over it, already.

  • June 21, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with Marvel's Ultimates Universe?

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    What makes it so much worse than the original Fury et al?

  • June 21, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    It's funny how quickly arguments degrade here....

    by googamooga

    Someone disagrees with you and its straight for the "you live in your mom's basement" line. Lemme guess, I'm fat and I'm a virgin too, right? The fact that I think a white character should be played by a white actor doesn't make me racist. However, the fact that you called me a racist because of my opinion, Cheese Roo, or whatever the fuck your name is, most definitely makes you a halfwit fucktard. You're welcome.

  • June 21, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Sam Jackson's best cameo is OUT OF SIGHT

    by ImFixingtoDie

    Also, not that black men age really, but Sam Jackson is 60 years old. Why not someone like Ving Rhames or Michael Clarke Duncan?

  • June 21, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Updating Old Characters

    by Barron34

    I don't object to updating classic characters, but The Ultimates approach was just a giimick, albeit with some interesting results (like a bad lab experiment). Changing a characters race, or his personality, or his powers, without any rationale, rhyme, or reason, is just change for change's sake. If you have a classic character of some sort and you want to modernize it, you need to find what is essential and relevent about that character and maintain that, and develop the modernization off of that basis. Making Captain America into a fascist thug is NOT clever, its NOT original, and frankly it is insulting to the readers (not to mention the creators) of a classic character that has some sort of meaning to them. Changing characteristics and mixing things up just for the sake of stirring the pot is just a cheap effect. That is sort of how I feel about the Ultimates. I don't mind it as a sort of "WHAT IF?" Universe, but it really does nothing to truly update the classic Marvel characters.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Barron34

    by antonphd

    1. I don't have a phd. Anton was taken. phd was a joke because i was going to be a christian minister and get a phd and think i was the shit and then realised that i was being an idiot. so, it's an inside joke about myself. i am actually a professional game programmer.<p> <p> 2. what i said was not a strawman falacy. i was saying that your statement about how there are black characters for black actors to play was a joke, because there are about 0.01 percent black superheroes compared to white superheroes and most of them are crap characters. all the good superheroes are white with a literal count them on one hand few exceptions. my point is that your argument that there's plenty black superheroes for black actors to play sucks and was as rediculous and unsympathetic as the other statements I gave as examples. I wasn't saying you were saying those things. You're supposed to abstract the truth from the examples I was giving. Not think I was putting actual words into your mouth.<p> <p> 3. I never in a million years would think that the comic creators were racist for inventing white characters. Why in the world would I ever think that? They were very cool in making the few black characters that they did. And the fact that you know that should tell you something about how true the racism issue was even with comics. They were brave to make black superheroes.<p> <p> 4. Racisism is MADE by the little things. One little step at a time. Nobody ever became racist overnight. Do some study of history of Nazi germany for a nice example of how racism is created one little tiny nudge at a time. It's a real life Frog in a Kettle situation. Jumping on the little shit is exactly how you prevent racism. I may not have a phd, but I do have a lifetime of experience from church to radio to games on how to manipulate public opinion. You aren't ever going to change it overnight... unless someone declares war or rams planes into buildings.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Shia LaBeouf as Blade

    by Admiral Kirk

    Snipes is too old for the role now and is still on the run for all I know.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    It does seem that filmmakers are more apt to...

    by WONKABAR

    choose Ultimate Universe as basis for adaptation than the old-school stuff. I mean, it does kind of lend itself more toward "realism" I guess. Still, it's a hard pill for many to swallow. BSB...what about Val Kilmer?

  • June 21, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Didn't you see Thunderheart?

    by WONKABAR

    He's clearly Native-American

  • June 21, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Marvel Ultmates completely SHITS up comics

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I swear, I totally hate that bullshit and can't get into it at all. In fact, it essentially killed the kid in me who grew up loving Marvel with all of it's pseudo psycho babble revisionist and deconstructionist bullshit, foisted on you by lame writers who are essentially unzipping their pants and pissing away, as if to arrogantly say "Well now that I'M writing this -- obvious genius that I am -- I'LL show you how comics should be done. That Stan Lee guy? Jack Kirby? Whoever actually created these characters? Pffft! They had no idea what this person is REALLY be about. So open wide and let me whiz in your open mouth and show you how superheroes SHOULD be done." At which point we're served up utter shit that's barely a pimple on the ass of when comics were good and fun. For fuck's sake you KNOW these guys are waaaaaay too stuck on themselves or have no real sense of storytelling when it takes someone like Bendis 3 extra-sized issues to relauch Spider-man and to tell an origin story that Stan Lee told far, far better in something like only 22 pages AND with FAR more emotional resonance 40 years ago.<p>Fuck that shit. While I have nothing against Samuel L. Jackson being in the movie and will just have to accept it as a casting choice, give me my old white, unshaved, cigar chomping Nick Fury and his howling Commandoes running around WWII with torn uniforms and machine guns and grenades as they help Captain America -- that is, the REAL Captain America who was a flag waving, proud soldier who was out to serve his country (and not some overly introspective, perpetually self-doubting wimp) -- blow up that giant-sized underground tunnel that the Nazis have secretly built to invade Europe. Now THAT was fun comics to inspire a kid and make the imagination soar!

  • June 21, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Actually, Downey would've been a great Fury

    by Mother_Gunshot

    if 10 years older, and not already playing Tony "Millar raped my continuity" Stark. And I read somewhere that Downey was more of a Sgt Rock fan, rather than IM. So it would make him even happier, I guess.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    How much "Ultimate-zation" has there even been?

    by Boondock Devil

    If you look at all the Marvel movies that have come out so far there has been next to none. I guess you could maybe count Mary Jane being the main love interest in Spider-Man but she didn't seem to act a lot like Bendis's version (she wasn't all that interesting in acting/modeling in the early Ultimate issues and was even one of Pete's friends right away). You could argue with the FF with Doom being involved in the accident and perhaps the Galactus not being a giant guy but something else entirely. I'm not sure if that the X-Men really had anything Ultimate about it other than them wearing black leather... but I'm sure the movie came out before the books did. Plus, again Iron Man seems to have more 616 connections than the Ultimate version considering his origin and armor. Plus as far as I'm concerned the "original" Nick Fury hasn't been that interesting or important of a character since Jim Steranko. That's been a very long time. I perfer the classic Marvel characters as much as anyone but I'm more than willing to sit back and enjoy the movie versions for what they are too.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    whats the problem

    by im nar

    i like the regular marvel universe...and i would love to see kurt russell chopping on a cigar playing nick fury. i'd also love to see sam jackson butting heads with tony starks. movies are never going to be exactly like the comics. no one complained when stephen dorff played a young deacon frost, because he owned the character...wolverine isn't 6'1", but i think hugh jackman embraced and loved the character more than anyone else could. if sam jackson is willing to reprise his character for a bunch of movies it would be great. it would be awesome watching sam mentor a newly awoken and out of touch captain america. i'm happy either way they go...only if they could have gotten kurt russell. the sheer coolness of sam jackson yelling commands to shield agents cannot be topped.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Barron34

    by antonphd

    Updating old characters. This is the stuff that sounds like bullshit to me. The characters from way back are barely even in the conciousness of the people who cared about them back then. Most people grow up and stop giving a shit about toys and comics. The next generations of kids pick up toys and comics and it only makes sense to make them for the current generation. Why the hell would anyone give a shit about what some 50 year old thinks of how Captain America is portrayed today? Like the little itsy bitsy amount of 50 year olds who still like Captain America even make a dent in sales of comics. They don't. And for the love of God, comics are not fucking Mythology. Your stories aren't mythology at least until they've survived a good few hundred years. They are pop entertainment. That's it, that's all. No matter what the PR department trys to tell people to make them not feel stupid for going to superhero movies. (I go proudly, i love superheroes) I can't believe anyone who likes the old classic characters would really care that 50 fucking years later kids today are getting their own version and the movie will reflect that. How many fucking stories of classic Capt America does someone need?? It's not like they haven't been making superhero comics for decades now. At 50, if you ain't ready for something differnet, I really do feel sorry for you. If you aren't fucking 50, then why the fuck do you think you have the right to cry about modernization of the characters. They weren't your characters. They were your dad and grandfathers. But I just don't buy it anyway. I don't believe people really care about issue 100000000 having a different character. That just plain doesn't add up. Sounds like an excuse to me.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    THIS YEAR'S LITTLE MISS MARVEL: ULTIMATE ALLIANCE!!!

    by Err

    ~AWESOME~

  • June 21, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Why are you up in arms when You Guys raved

    by Phategod2

    when you thought Terrance Howard was going to be Tony Stark. You guys loved the Idea andTonay was never portrayed as a black man but you guys All knew Terrance could play the Tourtured soul role and now Its funny The people against Sam Jack for the Role are only against it because of his skin color. Are The Chickens coming home to roost or what?

  • June 21, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    OH and when are they going to make a Moonknight

    by Phategod2

    movie Ther are so few Jewish Superheroes. And isn't The X-men movie deep rooted in the Ultimate Universe, if f or nothing more then the look.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    this is a silly argument

    by oisin5199

    filmmakers are not looking at comics and choosing between Marvel 616 and the Ultimates universe. They are looking at how to adapt characters to the big screen, and obviously different writers and directors have different ideas about what would work. Who cares if the character is mainstream Marvel continuity or Ultimates? People can certainly have preferences, but any movie version will have to be changed radically from their comic origin, just as any comic re-boot has to change the origin considerably, just to keep up with the times. So now Tony was in Afghanistan, not Vietnam (and this is in 616, not Ultimates) and Steve Rogers was de-iced in the 90s and not the 60s. As many people have stated, the Ultimates is much more Hollywood-ready, but ultimately filmmakers are going to make decisions based on what they think is best for their production. Sam Jackson as Nick Fury? Why not? bring it on!

  • June 21, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Sam Jackson: The Man, The Meme, The Fucks

    by Mother_Gunshot

    With a foreword by Spike Lee, or "Why can't a White Man direct Ali".

  • June 21, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for the novelization

    by Mother_Gunshot

    where we'll discover than Fury is just a (insert your color of choice) dude behind a cloud of cigar smoke.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Sam and Nick

    by toadkillerdog

    I have given this a lot of thought - actually devoted three whole seconds to whether or not I am comfy with SLJ as Nick Fury or some properly grizzled white dude. The answer is: Yup. In a modern era I have zero problems with Sam-I-Am playing Nick. Now if we were going back to WWII - then I would have an issue. Being a long time fan of the Howlers - I remember thinking that Gabe was just 'stunt' casting. Most Black servicemen in WWII were in segregated outfits. So Stan was indulging in some creative re-writing of history - and it worked. As integral as Fury is to the Marvel canon, he aint untouchable. So to all who have an issue with a black man portraying him, I say: Why didn't you complain when a flat-chested, crooked-toothed, average looking-on-her-best-day-with-the-greatest-makeup artists-available, Kiersten Dunst portrayed drop-dead gorgeous Mary Jane Watson? If you can accept that, you can accept Sam. If'n ya can't - look in the mirror and I will bet a racist stares back.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Scarecrow in The Dark Knight

    by Colonel Activity

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5895

  • June 21, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    oisin5199

    by antonphd

    well said. and that is the truth of it. it's like trying to make a game of Beowulf, it just doesn't translate over directly. you gotta figure out what works and what doesn't and make the best you can AND within a budget AND with the restrictions of technology AND make it make money enough to justify the investment into the product. the great thing right now about superhero movies is that the world votes with it's wallet for the higher quality superhero movies and that definitely means that Hollywood knows they can't cheap out or they lose out on whole franchises that currently are keeping movies from collapsing financially altogether. imagine this year without Spiderman, Shrek and POC. we'd all be in deep shit for the future of fantatical tentpole movies.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    How many times "racist" has been said in this TB?

    by Mother_Gunshot

    Answer: more than the number of F-Bombs in DH3, but less than the number of "Spartans!!!" shouted in 300. But these words at least were relevant to their respective movies. Move on...

  • June 21, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    antonphd

    by Mother_Gunshot

    you meant "imagine this year without the shitty sequels"???

  • June 21, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Jackson will be great, and many white actors would too

    by kevred

    It's a no-lose situation. The list of white actors who would be awesome in this role is long (and many fine examples are suggested above), and Sam Jackson will also be great. He's halfway there just by always playing gruff & pissed-off--but they better keep the cigar.<p>He may or may not be the ideal choice--my thought is that he isn't--but at the end of the day chalk up one more cool thing about a film that looks like it's going to single-handedly save Marvel movies from going completely bad.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Love Jackson but Russel woulda owned

    by Admiral Kirk

    Fury. That is of course if LaBeouf wasn't available.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Tom Cruise would be a badass Fury

    by Mother_Gunshot

    sorry, just wanted to use "badass" and "Tom Cruise" in the same sentence. For a try.

  • June 21, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Scarecrow in The Dark Knight

    by Colonel Activity

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5895

  • June 21, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    SCARECROW

    by Colonel Activity

    IN THE DARK KNIGHT!!!!!!!!!

  • June 21, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    David Hasslehoff would make an AWESOME nick fury

    by Gotta Eat Mancats

    right?

  • June 21, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    David Hasslehoff would make an AWESOME nick fury

    by Gotta Eat Mancats

    right?

  • June 21, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Kurt Russel could have definitely pulled off...

    by tehgreekhammer

    Classic Fury. Thats a bit of gold there. <p> But I have to admit if your gonna cast Nick Fury as a brother. Sam the Man is the fucking way to go... <p> Good job Favreau. <p> Now get me a fucking teaser trailer. <p> And cut someones cock off too. <p> thatll have people talking.

  • June 21, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Guys, your childhoods

    by Harold The Great

    aren't really that important. To anybody. At all. Shits are not given about your childhoods. So bring on the flames, and the black guys.

  • June 21, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Ziyi Zhang as Captain America

    by Trachten

    "When Captain America throws her mighty shield;All those who chose to oppose her shield must yield;If she's lead to a fight and a duel is due;Then the red and white and the blue'll come through;When Captain American throws her mighty shield." Sorry, just looking for a chance to quote the '66 TV show lyrics. Carry on with your name calling.

  • June 21, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    He had better have an eyepatch, a cigar, the

    by superninja

    white sideburns that sexay uniform!

  • June 21, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    As long as he looks like OS Fury and not the

    by superninja

    lame Ultimates version trying too hard to be bad@$$ by modelling on Sam Jackson to begin with.

  • June 21, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I have no problem with this.

    by mrfan

    I think that SJ is a great choice for Nick Fury. Yes, I grew up with the "white" Fury. Enjoyed the hell out of his character for years. Don't care for the Ultimates but I think SJ will carry the character past any type of color barrier. All I ask is for the eyepatch and a good cigar. It should be good.<p>I do find it funny though that many of the people defending SJ as a black Nick Fury are some of the same people that couldn't handle seeing Alba as the Invisible Woman because of her skin color. Nice job hypocrites. Now bring on a teaser trailer. Please.

  • June 21, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Let's get this straight

    by Colonel Activity

    They've casted a cameo for Fury but they haven't casted the main villain of the film yet? That's like casting a cameo for The Black Mask in The Dark Knight and then not casting The Joker until after shooting started...is The Mandarin even going to be in this flick? Did they dump him in favor of Obadiah Stane as the main villain? What the dealio?

  • June 21, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    About Mandarin

    by Mother_Gunshot

    Vic at screenrant (an old advancediron.net contributor, who seems to have connections with the prod) claims that Mandarin is not the bad guy. Just a cameo, with bigger screentime saved for sequels. No word on the casting though, but it would be a newcomer, of Favreau is pulling a WalterB and lies to us... Noo! can't be?!

  • June 21, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Or maybe Mandy is played by a white "Dude"

    by Mother_Gunshot

    or a Bad Motherfucker, who knows? I think that Sam Jackson would be neat with the power rings. Very Bishop Don Magic Juan, see?

  • June 21, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    The circle of life...

    by Bill Clay

    Marvel's newest version of the Avengers, The Ultimates, has a black Nick Fury that is drawn to look EXACTLY like Sam Jackson. Now, years later, Sam Jackson is cast to play Nick Fury in a Marvel movie! Is that synchronicity or what?!

  • June 21, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    First crappy thing i have heard about iron man!

    by jojo-pimp

    Why did they have to go the route of ultimates and make him black? I am sorry..i am just sooo damn sick of sam jackson popping up in every frickin movie...and having grown up on marvel comics...im sorry, but nick fury is white, with brown and gray hair dammit!

  • June 21, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    AntonPhD

    by Barron34

    I am bleary from lack of sleep, so please excuse me if these answers aren't precisely addressing your points. (I had a big bullshit presentation thing to do earlier today, did it well enough but on little sleep. Came online to chill out and keep occupied and walked into this sh!tstorm). ******One point: you are being very literal-minded and contrarian. Why is everything an argument with you? The whole straw man thing is how I PERCEIVED what you wrote. I was very god-damned offended by the implications that you SEEMED to making. In response to my arguments, you wrote "yeah, and black people feel more secure with a master, and women need a man to guide them. And children just want attention. And if we raised the minimum wage there will be less jobs. Now, back to reality." I find every one of those ideas to be abhorrent (except the children comment, since I know nothing about kids; do they not want attention? I thought everyone wanted attention. I'm confused). In any case, those ideas are ABHORRENT to me, REPELLENT. There are few feelings as wretched as feeling you are being accused of being a racist when you know you are NOT one.******Anyway, I tried to scroll up to read your dtailed responses, but I apologize that my sleep-deprived brain is not working very well at the moment. I will try to encapsulate: I DO take comic books very seriously. As I said before, I learned to read from them. One of my earliest memories is sitting on my families living room rug looking at a copy of The Avengers. Kids learning to read is serious shit, and it stays with you into your adult life, and it doesn't matter if it is geek bullshit IT IS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE. Its American Culture, its like Baseball, or going to the movies for the first time. This whole Nick Fury thing really is a tempest in a teapot, it's a nothing argument, but what really matters are the principles underlying it. One principle might be "don't fuck with a classic". Its like when Ted Turner wanted to colorize Black and White movies. You're fucking with people's fundamental memories at a certain point. First it's Nick Fury, then maybe its Captain America. Oh, but I forgot, they already killed Captain America. I hope Joe Simon punches Joe Quesada in the nose. But he's too much of a gentleman to do that. Well, I have news for you: Captain America Lives. Stopping playing games with our heroes.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Ultimate Nick Fury is more interesting then 616 Nick.

    by The Founder

    Just my opinion. Nick Fury was made cooler in the Ultimate Universe. Sorry to the 616 Fury fans, but he is. I just never got into 616 Fury.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I thought they where doing the Mandarin

    by Phategod2

    I thought Iron man was going to be a standalone movie as is Thor, Captain America. and then a Avenger movie.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Nothing is being changed about Fury so come off it.

    by The Founder

    The people bitching about using Sam Jackson have nothing legitamit to complain about becasue they are using a real character from the comics just as he is. Soory he's not 616, but the Hltimate version works just fine for me.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    In the end of the day let's not forget

    by Mother_Gunshot

    that it's an inspired, if controversial, casting decision that made the day of many, pissed off a few, and raised important questions as well as lame accusations. Another day in AICN. But this news rocks my day nevertheless!!! Kurt Russell is laughing while having a BEER and at the same time CHEETs on his wife, who got off the phone with Optimus Prime, aka THIS YEARS LITTLE MISS FLAMES ON NIPPLES, and fat kids are chest bumping in a strawberry field, forever. COOL AS BALLS!!! And, on a footnote...I'm black.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    1966 vs. 2007

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Let's start with the premise of the Ultimates: The Avengers' origin Year Zero is 2002 or thereabouts. Everyone's origins are starting at Zero in the present. None of the people are middle aged. The Premise of the 60s comics were simple...<br><br>MAKE MARVEL MONEY<br><br>So says Stan Lee in an interview with Kevin Smith. Only, Lee was more interested in the personal lives of the heroes, and created the damned icons we take for granted. Big Ape, I love guys who still dig the old school, and hold it dear. But it's no longer OUR school. Ask a teenager who's into comics this year who Vision's wife is, and he may only know because he played Marvel: Ultimate Alliance or collects the Marvel trading card game. Tastes are different now, and deconstructing myth is what takes place when the myth becomes cliche'd. That's why I like titles like The Punisher (as written by Ennis) and Planetary and Supreme Power. I also love the Authority and StormWatch. Warren Ellis has a political axe to grind, and he often demonizes Americans but I will say that he writes the hell out of comics and got me to read ExCalibur. Do you remember where you were when you heard Cap was shot? Some dorks like me remember exactly the moment. It was on the day after my birthday, and the comic store chick passed me a fake Daily Bugle. It sucks. But again, does that version of Captain America even exist anymore? Steve Rogers...would he support our modern America? I don't know, but I'll defend the Ultimates as a great alternative to the Marvel Universe. And a place to get good ideas. :)

  • June 21, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    When has 616 Fury been a classic enough character?

    by The Founder

    No disrespect to him, but he's not Spiderman, Superman, Batman or Captain America. No one mucking with classic characters. They aren't changing him to black, he was vreated in the Ultimate universe as a black character. I see nothing wrong.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Complaints about Black Fury but Asian Wasp is fine?

    by The Founder

    I know they aren't using her in the movie, but The Wasp is white. Even when Fury was made black in the Ultimate universe people bitched about him and started going on about a white Black panther and so forth. Now what gets me is that I've not heard or read one complaint about the Asain Wasp, who was a core member of the Avengers and who i see as a more classic character the 616 Nick Fury. It just proves the hatred of black people by some. Anyone complaining about Ultimate Nick Fury but give Ultimate Wasp a pass has shown theie true colors. IF A BLACK PERSON UPSETS YOU THAT MUCH JUST DON'T GO AND SEE THE MOVIE.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    This Whole Argument Is Pointless

    by cyberbilly1

    After a decade of good Marvel movies, you'd think by now that people get the deal. The movies aren't based in the 616 universe, and they aren't based in the Ultimate universe either (with the exception of the Ultimate Avengers animated movies, of course). The movies themselves constitute a third, and equally important universe. Right now, all the movies exist separately from one another, and if they talked Sam into appearing in more than one of them, then it would be awesome to tie them all together finally.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    This is good cating

    by Quin the Eskimo

    BUT imagine Dennis Haysbert(?) in the role. Or as Captian America.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    This movie needs more

    by superninja

    Fing Fang FOOM!

  • June 21, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Billy, it's called Post Modernism.

    by superninja

    Wink wink nudge nudge.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    the difference between this and "white Luke Cage"...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... in our society, sad to say, being "white" is not perceived as an actual ethnicity. It's like being "blank" almost... "ethnic" is what non-white (or non-WASP) people are... White means "mainstream" or even God help us "normal". <p> Because of this viewpoint white comic book characters are almost never defined by their whiteness. This is not an essential part of who they are, it's not what makes them interesting. Bruce Wayne is not a white guy, he's a rich, haunted guy... Reed Richards is a brainy guy... Barry Allen a light-hearted kinda goofy guy etc. etc. <p> Like Pleasantville, non whites just didn't exist... to misquote the Incredibles: "Everybody's white, therefore nobody is." <p> When "ethnic" comic book characters where then introduced in the 60s and 70s - their ethnicity WAS a major, if not THE major thing about them that made them interesting. This is the legacy that we have been given... <p> Since then new characters that could be white or black or whatever without changing who they are have been created... but as for the old white characters... Nick Fury would still be Nick Fury if he were black, as would Kingpin, or Harvey Dent, or Catwoman, (but only when played by Eartha Kitt, when Halle Berry played her, I don't know who the fuck she was, she wasn't Catwoman... this of course had nothing at all to do with the fact that Berry is black.) <p> BUT if Luke Cage, or T'Challa, or Shang-Chi, or The Falcon, etc. were played by white actors it would violate the very nature of their characters. <p> The only case I can think of where the reverse would be true is Thor, who by definition is a Nordic God, and thus would have to be played by a white guy.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Now I'm blind but..

    by Mockingbuddha

    Alicia sounded like a black woman in FF 1 and 2. But my heightened finger senses told me that she was coloered in caucasion tones in the comics, so I'm confused. Is Sam Jackson also playing Alicia?

  • June 21, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    The real Nick Fury (what is this "616" business)

    by superninja

    is cool and fun. Ultimate Fury = poseur!

  • June 21, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Some of you people are c-r-a-z-y

    by The Grey Ghost

    Sam Jackson is a great choice for Fury. Now give the guy his own solo movie with some goddamn groovy Steranko-inspired production design.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Prof, what you mean is it's a cultural thing.

    by superninja

    Cage could not be white because it would seem inauthentic. There are other characters that I could not see being made non-white, but there are quite a few (like Fury) where I don't really think it makes a difference.

  • June 21, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    mrfan

    by Admiral Kirk

    Sam Jackson as Nick Fury works for alot of people because we've already seen him play this role in XXX 1&2. Kurt Russel would be a great fury because we know he can handle an eyepatch. But it would be a totally different story if it was sam jackson in whiteface as nick fury. People would be the same way they are about alba. Speaking of alba- I just love doing this to you guys- http://videoeta.com/news/2301

  • June 21, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    SCREW THIS

    by BobbyQuickdraw

    I'm a huge Nick Fury fan, but hate the Ultimate version. And it's dumb to model a comic character exactly on the face of an actor. It's like "oh I'm reading a comic but wait why is Samuel L. Jackson the actor in it?" Call him Mick Rury or something. Nick Fury is a lot of things, but he's not a bald black man. He's a tough guy white cracker with the little white crap goin on in his hair with an eye patch and a cigar habit. Why must the characters be changed? Was old Nick Fury not good enough? Why not cast Spiderman as some Latina Woman, because the character needs some revamping. How about Tony Stark? You love the choice here because he LOOKS PRETTY MUCH LIKE THE COMIC CHARACTER, especially the later 90's version. Toby Maguire LOOKED LIKE COMIC PETER PARKER. I dont see why studios (movie and comic) choose to change the HISTORY of the character to suit some demographics necessity. Sue Storm is a white woman with a white brother. In the movie, she's some mutant creation with fake blonde hair, fake blue eyes, and a sexy bronzed skin tone. She's hot, but she's not Sue Storm. Johnny Storm is still regular ol' white though. Spiderman 3's take on Venom sucked because Topher Grace is a little biotch who doesn't look anything like the real Eddie Brock. If studios want more Latinos, Blacks, Asians, whatever in movies, make movies about those characters! Black Panther, Blade, Luc Cage, Quick Kick, yatta yatta yatta. Quit fvcking with the comics we grew up with. Oh and Terrance Howard as Rhodes is a bad choice to. Rhodes aka War Machine WAS a really big buff guy who was strong without the armor. Howard is a little guy. If Michael Jai White could act he would have been perfect, but that is the body type you're looking for.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Also

    by BobbyQuickdraw

    It's not racist. like someone else said we prefer golden age heroes. And I don't like the Ultimate line. Ult. Spiderman is ok. For the most part the Ultimate line just pisses off a fan of the stuff I grew up with. I guess it changes for every generation, so call me an old man, but I want the things i grew up with, not this MTV black leather BS of super heroes.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Depressed.

    by Cpt Shaw

    My excitement level for this Movie...just dropped about 80%.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Well Superninja, that is pretty much what I meant...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... but there are black and asian characters that have been created more recently in the 80s and 90s that are not so defined by their ethnicity - and therefore would remain the same character if white... Spawn for example.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    F this I'm going to Complete

    by Phategod2

    my Transformer bitching quota for the day in the new Talkback peace.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I agree, Prof.

    by superninja

    Not that I want another Spawn movie or anything...

  • June 21, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    No name calling.

    by Napoleon Park

    Casting Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury in the Ultimates comics was a nice touch - and finding out they asked and got permission to use his likeness makes it seem even cooler - and implies that he was practically promised the role. <p> He can't be 'too old' to play a guy who was a Sargent in WWII.<p> That said, folks who prefer the mainstream Marvel Universe that began in the '60s to the "Ultimate New Universe" version that's been around for a decade or so now aren't racist - they're just old and reluctant to embrace change. They say people get more conservative as they age. <p> White Nick Fury is NOT a 'cracker", he's from Hell's Kitchen in The Bronx.<p> How come in all the FF/Silver surfer talkbacks no one complained that the actor playing The Thing isn't Jewish? (or is he? what the hell do I know about Michael Chiklis?)<p> Several people used the number "616" to mean "the original" in reference to the Silver Age Nick Fury. Could someone please explain the origin of this reference?<p> Speaking of TMNT, they successfully blended the B&W comic and the animated series to make that first TMNT movie. Mixing and blending the real Marvel Universe with the teen-pop oriented Ultimate version ought to work just as well. They already have Stark with a goatee. <p>With all the race-centered negativity here, has anyone suggested Michael Emerson as The Mandarin? He's got the Don Heck style eyes down pat.

  • June 21, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    That's awesome

    by Colonel Activity

    that these guys still haven't posted about Cillian Murphy shooting scenes as THE SCARECROW last night/earlier this morning for The Dark Knight. I thought there were a bunch of insiders here. It must suck to get scooped by a guy from fucking Minneapolis.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Referrring to a post WAYYYYY up there

    by Yotaruvegeta

    Sammy j, Nick Fury as a "big man?" What comic books do you read? Larger than life doesn't refer to someone that's always physically larger. They're trying to get Sam Jackson as fury because the Ultimates Nick Fury was created in his likeness. Also, the original (616) fury was never large, or larger than life. He was ex-military, and a leader in Shield. He was about leadership, training and tactics, not how how huge he was. He was never drawn big.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    @ antonphd and other morons

    by ScamsAndFlams

    It's fine to change a character's race if the existing character and continuity are being scrapped in favor of a reboot--I have no problem with that. This Nick Fury business isn't that big a deal, it's more the fact that it's Sam Jackson than a black man that bothers me.<br><br>But to claim that you could just have Batman played by a black guy and NO ONE should bat an eyelid is fucking RETARDED. Comic book characters are archetypes and, like it or not, race plays a significant factor in one's socialization and life experience. If Batman were a black man, it would inherently change his view of the world and the world's view of him. How the fuck exactly would you explain a black family being as OLD-MONEY as the Wayne family is? It doesn't make sense and it has nothing to do with racism (perhaps for some, but not for rational comic book nerds).<br><br>The race of a character absolutely matters because of the simple fact that race matters in society. Is that a BAD thing? Of course! But it's true. Comic book characters are supposed to be identifiable and iconic; supernatural beings grounded in the core of real human experience. If you simply switch their race, it's not a new coat of paint--it's a new identity. SORRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT!<br><br>/rant

  • June 21, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    My hope is just that Sam doesn't play himself.

    by superninja

    Everyone likes Sam, but you can only play yourself so many times. I heard his last movie with Ricci he played an actual character, so hopefully that will continue.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    NAPOLEON -(616)

    by brokenheadstuff

    In comics there are alternate dimensions/realities/earths.. the original most well known was tagged earth 616 a long time ago, and it stuck (as opposed the the SamJackson-ish Nick Fury reality, the Ultimate-verse; a separate line of books, with different-ish characters _i dont remember if it has/what is the 'number' of it. NOW SAY THANK YOU, FOR MAKING ME TYPE THAT.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    That is if you accept Marvel's 616ing of the

    by superninja

    REAL Marvel U.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    I hope we never see an Ultimate Avengers Movie!

    by Norm3

    That Universe SUX!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Ultimate Nick Fury is the most badass character

    by TallBoy66

    And that he's Sam Jackson and they GOT freakin' same Jackson is so amazing. I'm pumped.

  • June 21, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Because we like the way our hero's were created we are

    by Norm3

    racist give it a rest! & old school my ass! Nick Fury is still a WW2 VET & white in the 616 original Marvel Universe TODAY!

  • June 21, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    This

    by HessenRoots

    makes sense to me. Downey Jr is a fairly spot on match to the Ultimates Tony Stark ("would you climb into that thing sober?"). I can even see the recent Hulk casting working along the same lines. Using Iron Man, Incredible Hulk and the Cap movie as lead-ins to a pseudo-Ultimates flick would be damned entertaining.<br><br>Scooped by a guy from Minneapolis, well done. I'm from the cities myself.

  • June 21, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Sam Jackson is in everything...

    by The Dum Guy

    Honestly, it seems like the guy never quits making movies. Does he take like vacations every two years or something?

  • June 21, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    I'm also on the "Bad choice" wagon...

    by Freefinger

    ...Sam Jackson is a great freaking actor, sure, but look at Star Wars.. God.. He should've stayed home.. If he had been more proud of the role he had, he would've talked Lucas out of killing him like that.. He fends off the freaking emperor then young Skywalker comes in and in three blows kills him off.. Jacson needs to fire his managers and get himself back into actual roles that show his acting talent.. I can see him right now with the eye patch.. just not right..

  • June 21, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    This is so gay...

    by jojo-pimp

    have we become that politically correct that we have to change classic characters to now be hispanic, or african american? I bet alotta people woulda bitched if we had made Blade white!

  • June 21, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    JoBlo had the news first!

    by jumba7777

    Teeeheee!

  • June 21, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Black Nick Fury...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Guys, he's black in the Ultimates universe. The Iron Man suit design is closer to the Ultimates design than the OG version. I bet the origin is going to be closer as well. So, Black Nick Fury is canon in the Ultimates universe. And for the record, in Marvel's Supreme Power, there is a 'black Batman' named Nighthawk. That series basically deconstructs the JLA and shows that superheroes could take over the world.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Freefinger, the lame thing about his death in SITH...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    What was even MORE ridiculous about Mace's death in SITH is that Jackson went around -- prior to the film's release -- talking tough and giving interviews where he'd proudly declare "I made George promise me that Mace wouldn't go out like a punk and he came through. You won't be disappointed by what you see onscreen."<P>So of course this being Lucas and given the way he botched the Prequels, naturally Mace went out like a TOTAL punk.<p>I mean, seriously, come on! Jedi Council Member versus angry brat and he gets it by being knocked out a window? NO protracted fight that could have previewed the Duel to come? What a waste. Windu is just one more Prequel character that should have been bad ass and ultimately now you just shrug your shoulders and are hard pressed to even remember the guy...

  • June 21, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    The Hoff is getting drunk b/c of this...

    by The Dum Guy

    He was sure that they would let him reprise the role. I think he's on his way to Wendy's as we speak (type).

  • June 21, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Nonsense

    by MachinaMan

    Fr: DerLanghaarige Doesn't matter if you are a racist or not, Nick Fury has been white for ages! Imagine what would happen if they would cast a white actor as Shaft! Or a robot with flames playing Optimus Prime! Re: MachinaMan: What is it about Nick Fury that necessitates that he be white? If you know the character at all, pretty much nothing, and besides, Samuel Jackson is a friggin' casting coup. People should be shouting from the rooftops that John Favreau was able to pull it off. And to the point of casting a white actor as Shaft, there's nothing wrong with it other than the fact that there are a few more white characters in film, print, etc that black (Asian, American Indian, etc) in America, so such a gesture would not only be unnecessary, but purposeless (what would the motivation for such a move be: to create more roles for white male actors?). By the way, does anyone know how to create paragraphs when posting here? Everytime I try everything just jumbles together.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST

    I cant beleive you people

    by Gandalf the redwhiteandblue

    are bitching about this. Ultimate Nick Fury is a bad ass. All of you talking junk please read the tpb Ultimtes vol 1 and 2. I havn't heard good geek news like this in a long time.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    interestingly enough

    by broken ring

    As much as i think it is a great decision to cast Sam the Man as Fury, I can't help but agree with jojo-pimp. Everyone would have gone up in arms if some white dude was cast as Blade. I initially wasn't looking forward to MCD as King Pin, but he had his moments. Then again he did say "I grew up in the Bronx, Wesley. This is something YOU wouldn't understand."

  • June 21, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    MachinaMan, to make paragraphs...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Just type < p > at the end of the sentence where you want a paragraph break to be created. Though take out the spaces I just put in between the two brackets and the "p" so its all closed up together...

  • June 21, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    DO ANY OF YOU JACKASSES ACTUALLY READ COMICS?

    by mattcable33

    In the Marvel Ultimate Universe Nick Fury is black and his likeness is based on Sam Jackson! All talk of "It isn't true to the comics because Fury is white" is completely groundless. Sam Jackson's casting IS true to the comics.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    ScamsAndFlams

    by antonphd

    That is just about the most retarded argument I've ever heard. It's SUPERHEROES. They don't exist. They are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being founded in reality. Jesus as a white dude instead of jewish... that's ok, but don't make Superman black because that would be fucking with canon. Okey dokey. Let me remind you of the definition of a geek. A smart guy who doesn't have social maturity. And this is why geeks make nuclear bombs and space shuttles but still don't fucking rule the world.

  • June 21, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    This is the dumbest shit...

    by jedimast3r

    ...I ever heard. Now we know it'll suck. The casting was spot on until this - this is over the top, and it's SJackson, so I can't seem him as Nick Fury. What I will see him as is SAM JACKSON. There's no race hating here, Nick Fury is FUCKING WHITE, PERIOD END OF STORY. Next we'll see Chris Tucker as the New Captain Jack Sparrow, Wayne Brady as Bruce Wayne, Oprah as Carol Danvers, and 50 Cent as Captain America. Oh, and because they are big names, that makes it OK. This movie will suck. COUNT ON IT.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Seriously WTF will it take

    by Gandalf the redwhiteandblue

    to have a talk back with fantastic news be celebrated. THis is not like Kingpin all of a sudden being black in the DD movie. This is the bad ass, cool, ALWAYS in charge/control Nick Fury that has been established for a few years. Not the pansy who is currently in hiding, not the director of SHIT and has robo-replicas of himself appearing all over(translation: LAME).

  • June 21, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    I have to laugh at the geek hypocrisy here...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Let's face it, using up bandwidth to even debate this only reveals our true dweebiness. I mean seriously, we're actually arguing if a comic book character should be depicted as a WWII white guy or a Shaft-like urban black guy. Now that's dweeby!<p>But what I really have to laugh about is that some of the defenders for this change are arguing that by hiring Jackson you now end up with something far more hip...more in tune with the times...that the Ultimates version is what the kids of today prefer to see and that it's THEIR time, THEIR comics, and thus they should be able to see THEIR version of the character on the screen and that old time Marvel lovers should just move on...that change is good...that going from a white guy to a black guy is no big deal and you MUST be a racist if you even object to it...<p>...And yet these are the same people who burst a blood vessel over flames on Optimus Prime's chest and who consider a change in his paint job to be a complete bastardization of his "true inner character."<p>Ah, geek logic. Go figure...

  • June 21, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Barron34

    by antonphd

    sorry for offending your with that. sometimes you say or write something you think is going to come across alright and it doesn't. i wasn't trying to say you'd think or say those things.<p> <p> I was offended to read you say what I read to be 'black people should be happy to just play the black superheroes'. In my opinion that was a pretty lousy attitude to have over a black person being cast to play a white superhero.<p> <p> The children want attention bit was about kids who tell on adults who molest them.<p> <p> The one thing I don't get in all of this... why does a superhero being black or white matter at all... or if it does, why doesn't it mean that it's an honor to give the role to a black actor who will faithfully personify the character and do us proud? I honestly can't think of a white actor who would do a better job than Sam Jackson.<p> <p> The comics were always morality tales where good triumphed over evil. I don't get why that message hasn't meant more to fans who can't see that while you were reading comics as a kid, a black kid was poor as shit because his family was brought to this country to be a slave and for decades his race was degraded and now he has to fight harder than anyone else just to get respect... why aren't fans of good triumphing over evil just happy to see that a black man can be a superhero who we all look up to and admire from our childhood. Instead of even giving a shit about the color of his skin. Comics were supposed to inspire imagination and belief in a better world. In WW2 there was no Captain America or Nick Fury, but kids dreamed of being them and stopping an oppresive race from dominating and/or exterminating other races. How of all of the superheroes... how can you not be proud to have a black actor play one of the great fighters against racist tyranny? That's what I don't get about the complaints that Nick Fury should be white.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    antonphd

    by ScamsAndFlams

    If your argument is "It's superheroes so nothing matters" then what the fuck are you doing trying to make a point in this TB? You can't simply eliminate the entire grounds of the debate by saying the subject matter is meaningless. Of course it's only fucking comic books, but the point is that even comic books have characterization--shit, most of them are about ONE protagonist who is developed over hundreds of issues and DECADES of storylines. My point is that you can't just take all of that and slap a different ethnicity on the character because, as comic books are generally grounded in SOCIAL realism, it would call for much bigger changes to the character than skin tone. Does that not make any sense to you at all? Have you ever interacted with people of any ethnicity other than your own? Most races have unique social experiences EVERYWHERE in the world.<br><br>Like I said, if they're just making him a different character with the same name and eyepatch, then the race makes no difference. But you can't fucking have Wesley Snipes playing Batman without some SERIOUS revisionism. OK?

  • June 21, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    antonphd

    by Petro45

    I agreed with most of what you said except . . . Jews aren't white? Excuiseme?

  • June 21, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    ScamsAndFlams

    by antonphd

    and yet, asians and mexicans and indians could be played by white people for decades of film. and i didn't say Comics are meaningless. i said SUPERHEROES are NOT founded in reality. and if you can make a leap to believe a man can fly, why can't you make a leap to believe that Nick Fury is black. or batman or superman or any other fucking american pie superheros. give me a break. they aren't even race specific, they are pop culture america. and black people can be as pop america as any white person. that's where the bullshit about race matters falls down. and there is not one single white superhero who's race as a white person EVER made a difference to their character or story EVER. race is something readers projected onto the characters.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Could Superman be black?

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Answer me that you bunch of psuedo-sociologist know-it-alls....

  • June 21, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    I don't like the Ultimate universe they are all jerks.

    by superninja

    However, I really don't see the problem making Nick Fury black. If they want to borrow the Ultimate designs, fine but I hope that is all they borrow from the Ultimates.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    scamsandflams

    by Petro45

    You are aware, aren't you, that in Marvel's Ultimate Universe canon, Nick Fury is not only black, he was modeled after Sam Jackson? If you haven't read any of the Ultimate universe books, which I assume you haven't, trust me, it works. <p> In any case, the comparison b/n Nick Fury and Batman is not apt. Nick Fury just isn't that type of iconic figure that you can't play around with a bit. While we're at it, why don't we complain that Gwyneth is playing Pepper Potts in the movie - Pepper Potts didn't have blond hair! We need to have a ginger playing Pepper Potts, otherwise we're screwing with history!

  • June 21, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    As long as they are culturally portrayed the

    by superninja

    same and have the same look I really don't care about their skin tone. I was for Terrence Howard being cast as Stark instead of RDJ. It will be harder with the characters that are already widely recognized as being white, though, just because people already have their appearance fixed in their minds.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Superman

    by antonphd

    well, he can't really get a tan, so, having supes white does kind of make sense in a way. but does he have a small dick like white people? that is the real question? small dicks, the real reason some white guys throw a fit when their favorite superhero is played by a huge dicked black man. it's one thing to imagine yourself with superpowers... but the belief in a big dick is just too farfetched to suspend... those folks just aint having none of that. thank god i'm a freak myself. giant cock. it's a gift. i don't talk about it much. it talks. speaks 7 languages. it paints abstract. does a little sculture. a little sculpture. likes to watch tv alot. HBO and Showtime. Like Rome. Lots of tits and pussy shots in Rome.

  • June 21, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Nick Fury is black in the Ultimate comics...

    by mattcable33

    And patterned after Sam Jackson. They are being true to the Ultimate line of comics. You complaining fanboys are racists AND you aren't even good comic book fans.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    This is the best news ever.

    by losder

    You guys that don't like this may not be racist, but you're fucking retarded. This is like if you made a movie about Tony Danza and you cast Tony Danza. It's not casting Sam Jackson as 616 Fury. Clearly, it's casting Sam Jackson as Ultimate Fury, a character created for him. If you don't like Ultimate Fury in movie continuity Iron Man that's one thing, but don't bitch about the casting.

  • June 21, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    losder

    by antonphd

    you bastard!!<p> <p> why would you say the name of he who should not be named?!

  • June 21, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Fuck the Ultimates!

    by cannedpasta

    That is all

  • June 21, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    White one time (the 60s), black another time (the 00's)

    by lettersoftransit

    and maybe the next incarnation he'll be white again, just because the next actor is so perfect and just happens to be white. We're not there yet but it's so cool to think we might be someday. Loved Nick Fury as a tough crazy white sergeant ih the comics. Love the idea of Nick Fury as a tough crazy black sergeant in the movies. At least if it's played by Sam the man

  • June 22, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Fuck

    by arsonlarsen

    YEAH!

  • June 22, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    THANK GOD!!! FINALLY THEY GET IT RIGHT!

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Thank you Jon Favreau!

  • June 22, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Ppl who complain about this and don't know Ultimates -

    by TallBoy66

    -are not racists. They're idiots. There's a difference.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Well the Ultimates suck

    by McClane_Corleone

    But I love Sam Jackson and I love the idea of him being a badass mofucking nick fury. How are you people complaining about this? David Hasselhoff played Nick Fury once for Christ sake. It's gotta at least be better than that.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST

    None of the movies are 100% faithful to any incarnation

    by Phategod1

    Blade/= Whistler, Young Decon Frost, X-men /= Costumes,Wolverines past with Sabertooth, Storms Incantations,Bobby being younger then everyone,Juggernaut not related to Prof X., Spiderman =/ Organic web shooters, Mary Jane being plain, Daredevil/= Kingpin Black,Fantasic Four/= Dr. doom origin, Cloudactus, Sue being alot stronger, The Hulk/= the whole father thing, and so on and so on. So I dont know why A. people have trouble with a black Nick Fury and B. think the movie of character will be 100% Ultimate universe.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Who cares about Ultimate Nick Fury?

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    I'd much rather see Ultimate Captain America on film. Well, I'd actually much rather see an Unknown Soldier film, but Ultimate Cap is about as close as we'll get...

  • June 22, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Problem with Sam Jackson as Fury

    by Colonel Activity

    It is stunt casting. If they made a movie version of Saved By The Bell, I wouldn't want Dustin Diamond playing Screech...well, after seeing Celebrity Fit Club, I probably would. What a fucking asshole. And dipshit.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Bloody awesome.

    by FuzzyWhisper

    That's one hell of a kind of good news.

  • June 22, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Superman could never be black

    by Varakor

    the color of the costume clashes with his skin tone. Batman could be black (someone mentioned Blade and damn if that doesn't make sense). Spawn can be white, hey he's crispy, so it doesn't matter. and Red Falcon can be white, he's just Red Falcon. No big whoop. You wanna totally fuck with a comic? Make Jesse from Preacher black. now THAT would be fucked up (those that read the comic will know what i'm talkin about)

  • June 22, 2007, 4:47 a.m. CST

    black snake fury motherfuckers

    by Seph_J

    Awesome news.

  • June 22, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST

    The Ultimates is what we should be looking forward to

    by Mr_X

    for the avengers movie. not some silver, gold age crap, we've been there with other movies and done that. lets see a real day movie. heroes has proved its popular material. imagine it with super badd ass powers the budget for some outstanding special effects and not a crappy ending!

  • June 22, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST

    For the last time...

    by stones_throw

    Shouting racism in a perfectly reasonable discussion involving race accomplishes nothing.

  • June 22, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    i just hope capt america isnt the jerk from the ulti..

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    the ultimates captain america is kind of a jerk not the noble dude from the regular marvel universe he's awsome and he's the real american hero

  • June 22, 2007, 7:04 a.m. CST

    the tarantino rule

    by LORDRANDO

    Some years ago, when pulp fiction came out, idiots got the idea that s actors in that movie will always be cool. Well, 10 years on, Travolta sucks, sam's best flick is Revenge of the Sith, and what the hell happened to uma. so see, dorks, just because you were in a tatrantino movie downst make you well cast if your character fires a gum .

  • June 22, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Steranko drew him white...so i want him white

    by LORDRANDO

    Not racist. just accurate. It messes with his psychology to change his race.

  • June 22, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    The race of Nick Fury

    by Deathpool

    is irrelivent to his character.

  • June 22, 2007, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Also

    by Deathpool

    Nick Fury is not an iconic character. No one outside us geeks and nerds know who he is.

  • June 22, 2007, 7:25 a.m. CST

    So is this movie based on The Ultimates?

    by Mike_Honcho

    I thought Marvel movies, for the most part, were based on the 616. Is this movie based on the Ultimate Universe? Does this mean wer're going to start getting a glut of movies with Ultimate characters like a female Vision?

  • June 22, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Sam jackson as well ? Jon Favreau aint playing around!

    by knifeandfork

    This film keeps sounding more and more interesting, i'll be there on opening weekend! Also, i notice that those against a black actor playing nick fury dont seem to have any problems with white actors playing the main roles in remakes of aisan movies. Sarah michelle gellar in the grudge, jeniffer connely in dark water, matt damon and co in the departed, naomi watts in the ring= None of you dissaproved of the ethnicity swaps in those movies. Did any of you complain about the aisian characters being ruined or spoiled or neddlesly changed when played by white actors? Nope. Nothing. Not a fucking peep. so please,if the casting of jackson bothers you THAT much , just lock yourself away in a room with a stack of golden age nick fury comics and a copy of the david hasslehoff movie.You'll be happy there.

  • June 22, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Well, who?

    by Stalin vs Predator

    Is it Sam Jackson or is it Nick Fury? And who are they?

  • June 22, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Classic Steranko Nick Fury > Ultimate Nick Fury

    by SpyGuy

    Sam's awesome and all, but I'd much rather see the original 616 Marvel Universe Nick Fury in this film rather than the Sam Jackson Ultimate Nick Fury. <p>The way Ed Brubaker's currently writing him in CAPTAIN AMERICA is much more interesting to me than anything Marvel's line ever produced. What a tremendous waste, especially since any NICK FURY film that gets greenlighted will now be expected to use the second-rate Ultimate version.</p>

  • June 22, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST

    You are going to have a really bad day

    by stamper

    Tell me about it

  • June 22, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Samuel Jackson isn't cool because he's black

    by scratcher

    it's the other way around.

  • June 22, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Yotaruvegeta......

    by ZaphodBeeblerox

    Perhaps my original post was clear as to what I meant. I am aware that Fury was never overly muscle bound, but he was usually drawn as a broad chested character. I love Sammy J as an actor, but his build is more long, lean and lithe. I have no doubt that Jackson can carry of the personality of the character, but virtually every armed services vet that I have met and I live next door for a former Marine Corps Gunny Sgt that did some special things in his day have this similar physical build with a wide chest and broad shoulders that appear designed to carry the world on. I realize that is just a generalization, but for a character that is supposed to be the ultimate (no marvel pun intended) soldier, Sammy J physically is a bit on the small side. That's all my original was meant to convey. If we could graft Sammy J's charisma and personality into Ving Rhames' body I think that would be about the perfect Nick Fury regardless of race.

  • June 22, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    I wonder

    by CaptGrogan

    How many of these idiots shouting "racist" would be upset if they cast say, Josh Hartnet, as Blade in the next movie? Wait - would we be racist then too for "taking away" a black hero? Fucking morons.

  • June 22, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Opps...

    by ZaphodBeeblerox

    meant original post was NOT clear... need more coffee...

  • June 22, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions

    by Ribbons

    Come back to the Zone. I'll bake cookies...

  • June 22, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    comics

    by LORDRANDO

    Dudes...the NIck Fury thats cool precedes the Photoshop comics that u dorks read..Jim Steranko penciled the best Fury stuff. any mention of Ultimate series comics should get you banned, and its not racist to want someone portrayed the way you envision him via the comics, like picturing susan storm as a natural blonde..ya dig?

  • June 22, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Crying "racist" when you don't even know these people

    by tylermo

    Once again we hear people calling others racist for merely wanting the old white version of a movie character. I'm not going to say "everyone"...I'd go out on a limb and say that most of the Samuel Jackson-Fury naysayers probably aren't racist. And, most of them probably know about, and/or read the Ultimates. They, like me(and I do read and enjoy the Ultimates) come from a background of the old Nick Fury, and would love to see some fantastic casting of that version of the character. I hope Sam Jack does well. Many times, he's quite good. Maybe not so good in the SW prequels. Either way, I'd rather say an on-screen version of the old Nick, but it doesn't have a damned thing to do with the fact that the new one is black. I love the old Kingpin, but I'm not certain anybody else could have done as good a job as Michael Clarke-Duncan. But, since I'd rather have a representation of the old Fury, that means I'm a racist no doubt. Yet, basement dwellers will never realize that people like me are the ones that embrace MLK's words from the 1960's, detests the racial slurs that people still use to describe other races, etc., and I'm the first person to defend inter-racial marriages. But, that matters not to those who assume they know everything about everyone by hanging out on the world wide web. Then again, this old fiscal and pro-gun conservative-libertarian has been accused of being too liberal or too conservative. Anyway, Sam Jack won't wreck this movie, and will probably put in a fine performance. I'm sure all of us racists*says sarcastically* will be the first in line to watch him.

  • June 22, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    antonphd...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...I agree with everything you say, except that I think that there are superheroes, Thor, for example, who should always be portrayed as white. Just as the Black Panther and Luke Cage should always be portrayed as black. Most superheroes however, yes even Superman, Spiderman, Batman etc. it just makes no difference whatsoever. It also makes a lot of sense that your dick likes to watch Rome... "Large penis is always welcome"...

  • June 22, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    The Hoff...

    by mastes360

    Owns that part, end of story!

  • June 22, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    The Ultimates is deconstruction crap and not

    by superninja

    even original at that. It's so Post Modern tongue-in-cheek that it's mean and nasty. Can't stand it, bring on Old School Superheroes.

  • June 22, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I bet Nick Fury ain't complainin'

    by versatol

    He's happy that finally he's got a big dong to satisfy the ladies. besides, old school Marvel characters are too white to begin with... especially since half this country is made up of minorities. Long live black Nick Fury!!!

  • June 22, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Michael Clark Duncan Kingpin was terrible.

    by superninja

    Not because of his skin color, but that guy cannot believeably play anything but a big 'ol softie. There is nothing menacing about that guy no matter how hard he tries.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    The Ultimate Universe can work on some levels

    by The Founder

    The problem is that 616 has been around forever and so much went into orgins and a lot of the characters backstory is so damn convoluted to adapt perfectly into a 2 hr film. However with that being said movie studios need to know when to use the Ultimateverse and when not to use it. The F4 used it somewhat, like by having Reed and Sue younger, tieing in Doom's orgin with the four. That worked fine to me even though the 1st F4 film sucked but it still worked. The Galactus cloud didn't work and i'm not even sure what that was based off of cuase it wasn't the Ultimateverse. Didn't know much about the IM universe that Favereau was establishing but if he's going more the Ultimate route then fine. I have no problem with it. I do like the ultimate line and Ultimate Nick Fury is just better then 616 Nick Fury to me, but then maybe because what ive read of 616 Fury just does nothing for me. He in hiding, robot replicas, and all that other crap. Sorry to the 616 fans but i just wasn't reading comics back when their was a Shield series or a howling Commadoes series, which ive never heard of. Ultimate Nick fury works fine.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Petro45

    by ScamsAndFlams

    Yes, i'm aware that the ultimates nick fury is black. My entire point is that you can change a character's race without problem if you're rewriting him. No problems there race-wise or whatever (I don't like Sam Jackson because he takes me completely out of a movie with material like this).<br><br>The comparison to Batman is not my own, but rather that of the person I was talking to... I'm using his example to argue my side of it.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Jean Reno as Captain America

    by Haunted Tank

    "Do You think zis A stands pour France?"

  • June 22, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Tired of Sam Jackson

    by picardsucks

    Don't care much about his color just really fuckin tired of him in everything. He was great in Pulp Fiction and Die Hard 3 but what else has the guy done to be regarded as some street badass. His Shaft sucked, we all cheered when Mace Windu died, Snakes on a Plane sucked. Aren't there other excellent Black actors out there who could be a terrific Nick Fury?? Yes I know Brian Hitch draws him as Nick Fury in Ultimates. I don't know what is more racist a bunch of suburban teenage white boys prententing to speak Ghetto because it's trendy or always choosing Sam Jackson for the tough guy role when there are thousands of wonderful Black actors out there.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Put me in the plus column

    by liljuniorbrown

    I would have KILLED to see Keifer Sutherland or Bruce Willis in that role but if your going the Ultimates route Sam Jackson is awesome. He is a friend to us geeks every where and a damn fine actor who has overcome alot to make his mark in Hollywood.

  • June 22, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Founder, did you ever read the Steranko

    by superninja

    stories with the real Nick Fury? Ultimate Fury ain't got nothin' on that.

  • June 22, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    antonphd "does he have a small dick like white people?"

    by The Dum Guy

    Wow, you are an idiot. Skin tone and race doesn't dictated the size of one's penis. I highly doubt you have a PhD.<br><br>And people call me dumb. It sounds like you may have issues regarding the size of your' own genitals.

  • June 22, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    WORD

    by brokenheadstuff

    better than David HasselHofloorburger

  • June 22, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Snakes on a skybase?

    by Obscura

    Perfect!

  • June 22, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    yeah and there will be a tie-in with the XXX-Men

    by trombone

    Starring Vin Diesel

  • June 22, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Color is just a different paint

    by darquelyte

    Any comic book character, heck any fictional character, could be any race or ethnicity...and often any sex. DC with their Elseworlds reimagined a number of their characters. Why not have a black James Bond? Why not have an Egyptian Sherlock Holmes? Why not have a Chinese-American Batman? Why not have a Hispanic Spiderman? Why not have a Pakistani Wolverine? Why not have a Polynesian Wonder Woman? Jean-Luc Picard could just as easily have been Singh Mehndi. WGAS? The race or ethnicity of the character has little, if anything, to do with the character. If the character is good, real, and well written, the race or ethnicity will have little to no affect on the character.

  • June 22, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    YES!

    by kyle051554

    Sam Jackson as Fury will blow everybody's socks off, guaranteed.

  • June 22, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    PROF IKAMONO

    by antonphd

    yeah, i agree, you gotta do Thor as a Nord. same with the others. above someone said that with white characters in the US are vanilla... really, any race could be a white superhero. because white american superheros don't really have any racial flavor. except Thor really. but certainly NOT Nick Fury. not by a LONG shot. unless Nick Fury was a racist it doesn't matter if he's white or black. hard asses come in every race.

  • June 22, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    The Dum Guy

    by antonphd

    I was joking. The part where I claimed my dick watched tv, paints and speaks 7 languages... that was the clue. And I don't have a phd. I gotta change my fucking name on here. get rid of the damn phd. but i am lazy. maybe i'll call myself LazyAnton. or something cool, like, the Asston or DumbAsston.

  • June 22, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Ultimates, and this is still a silly argument

    by oisin5199

    Let me say it once again: movie adaptations are not adaptations of 616 OR Ultimates - they're a third thing. <p> As far as the Ultimates go, I remember reading a review somewhere that questioned why we still needed the Ultimate line. They were great at the time and really brought forward the political issues and harsh realities, and had the opportunity to restart continuity, but since Civil War, 616 has become far more invested in 'grounding stories in reality' and the Ultimate lines have been around long enough that their own continuities are starting to become convoluted. Therefore, the whole Ultimate line has become redundant. I have to admit, I kinda agree, even though I do like vastly different interpretations of classic characters (the Thor subplot, or a little detail, like the Sinister/Apocalypse of Ult. X-Men, or the Shi'ar being a religous cult). I certainly don't agree that they're written for an immature audience - in fact, I'd say the opposite. <p> And I swear to Odin, if I hear one more person say 'I bet people would be pissed off if they made Blade white' I'm going to fucking scream. 'oh, but that's not racist'? I really think some of you don't even know what racism means. I even read on this talkback something along the lines of 'some of my best friends are black' or 'some of my favorite pet issues were race-based.' Or one of my faves, 'why can't minorities be satisfied with the superheroes they have?' I mean, really, think about what you're saying, and how it sounds. And then look up the word 'tokenization' and read a little bit about the history of minority representation in popular culture. Then tell me some of these comments are not incredibly ignorant, if not flat out racist. Just because you don't think you're a racist, doesn't mean you're not. Look into it. <p> Finally, having said that, Nick Fury is NOT a superhero. He's a plot device - more often than not, he's walking exposition. His race is completely irrelevant to the role he plays in either Marvel universe. I can't believe people are so busy bitching about black and white that they don't realize how freakin' cool and unprecedented this is, and how it opens up so many opportunities in the Marvel movie world that have been heretofore unrealized because Marvel wasn't controlling its own properties until now. Nick Fury is a character that can appear in countless Marvel films and actually tie the universe together because of his interactions with several characters. If they could bring him into Hulk, Captain America, and eventually Avenger films (even as a cameo), that would be fantastic and a step closer to the many have of a coherent, unified Marvel filmverse, even if we'll never see that team-up film we've envisioned. Frankly, I couldn't care less who plays him as long as he plays him well and he's actually utilized in the right way.

  • June 22, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    The Poor Black Man

    by Cpt Shaw

    Moron's! I love how quick People are to screem RACIST!! Idiot's! It's not about Race...it's about old Marvel Comic Fan's...vs. The NEW Ultimate Version Crap! GOD!! Obviously..."THE MAN", isn't keeping anybody down...if Sam Jackson can land the Role of Nick Fury!

  • June 22, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Ohhhh yeah!!

    by Vynson

    Who cares what color Nick Fury is as long as he's Sam L. Jackson. It just doesn't get better than that.

  • June 22, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    snakes on an eye patch

    by dr.bulber

    bruce willis is nick fury. accept no substitutes.

  • June 22, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    My .02

    by Orbots Commander

    The Sam Jackson casting is fine, but if the producers of IM were going for Ultimate Nick Fury, I think Denzel Washington would have been bad-ass in it. The guy's a huge star and usually doesn't do cameos, but it would've positioned him for an Ultimate Nick Fury spin-off movie.

  • June 22, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    what oisin5199 said

    by ewokstew

    is 100% accurate.

  • June 22, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    antonphd

    by The Dum Guy

    Thank God, you were joking. I didn't want to have to debate genetics with a retard. So, now I know that was humor, I must admit that is funny.

  • June 22, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    picardsucks - He was also MR. GLASS

    by glodene

    from Unbreakable. RECOGNIZE MOTHA FUCKA!

  • June 23, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Thanx, Brokenheadstuff for the 411 on 616

    by Napoleon Park

    It always seemed both funny and wrong that DC's Silver Age Heroes decided they were "Earth 1" and the Golden Age heroes (who some of them, like The Flash, were even inspired by) were labeled "Earth 2". So it's cool that Marvel has a numbering system in which their traditional Silver Age/Marvel Age Marvel universe titles are "Earth 616". does Marvel have a label for what DC called "Earth Prime" - that is, our "real world"? I can see that if there's some logic to this numbering system, with our 'reality' being the origination point, or "Earth Zero", then the Marvel Universe is 616 steps of differentiation removed from us. <p> I've never read the Ultimates Universe books. If Nick Fury is black (and I have no problem with that, there were black Sargents in WWII) Is Gabe Jones still black? is Tim Dugan still Irish? <p> By the way, the Steranko SHIELD comics are my favorites of all time, with their imitation, Master Of Kung Fu, running a close second. If that MOKF flick rumored here a year ago ever gets made, I hope Sam Jackson plays Fury in that one, too.)<p> While I suspect it is optimistic to hope for it, I can see Jackson (and maybe J. Jonah Jameson) as the link characters appearing in all the Marvel movies and establishing that they co-exist in the same universe. <p> As an old fart, I read Marvel in the '60s and wished they'd be made into movies. But in 2007 I don't really expect them to make a movie NOW based on or patterned after the comics I read then. In that regard the vaguely Ditkoesque Spider-Man (1) or the Kirby-ish FF:TROTSS are probably as close as we'll get. <p> While I have no problem with race-shifting of less than archetypal or iconic characters, Van Dyne is such a Dutch name that anyone not making The Wasp a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant or W.A.S.P., simply didn't get the joke.

  • June 23, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Fin Fang Foom. I stand corrected.

    by superninja

    Steranko Fury still hands Ultimate Fury his behind in every way.

  • June 23, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Fin Fang Foom. I stand corrected.

    by superninja

    Steranko Fury still hands Ultimate Fury his behind in every way.

  • June 23, 2007, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Sometimes I wonder why TalkBack gets a bad rep...

    by Ribbons

    ...then I read threads like this and I remember.

  • June 23, 2007, 4:36 a.m. CST

    unreal

    by CaptGrogan

    Why is it if anyone in this country has an issue with someone who is african american, that we are instantly branded racist? Can you imagine how the studios would cry racism if Spawn were white? Blade? Hell - these are the same fuckwads who cried racism back when the Spawn Movie came out and they made his best friend white. But in todays political climate, its an instant "I win " button. Dont like something a non-white did? You're a racist? Wesley Snipes doesnt pay his taxes on millions of income? No problem - just cry racism (and he did). Well let me be the first one to stand up and say FUCK THAT. I DONT want a white Spawn, An Asian El Diablo, A Black Nick Fury, or anything else. Historically, when comics stay true to their roots, they succeed. When they dont, they fail. Iron Man will probably remain 95% true to the source material - and so will be successfull. The list is endless. Spiderman, Superman , even X Men, stayed somewhat true to the story and character. Changing race does NOT equal racism. Questioning someones stance if the situation were reversed (a white Blade for example) does NOT make you racist. Shouting that in the talkback like a complete fuckwad makes you...Antonphd, AND a fucking idiot. Stupid hyper-sensitive politically correct motherfuckers. For the record I come from a racially mixed family. Not that it matters. I wouldnt want a white Blade, I sure as shit don't want the Ultimates version of Nick Fury. And, all issues of race aside... WHITE NICK FURY is fucking cooler. He was in WW2!! He was a spy! He rose up to lead a massive goverment agency. This is a man who has been through some shit. He's grizzled, takes no shit, and is a perfect counter-balance to TOny Stark's playboy. The Ultimates Version - a pale imitation. He's a Gulf War veteran? woohoo. Not to belittle the people who fought in that war, but come the hell on. A guy who fought Nazis, lost an eye, battled Hydra, AIM, and the russians and still became the pinnacle of his profession ? Or the guy who took over Iraq (1991) in a couple of weeks with little to no resistance and infinitely superior numbers/firepower. Im sorry - but classic Fury is just cooler. If I want to see a crappy version of Sam Jackson playing Nick Fury - I'll go waste 4 bucks and rent XXX with Vin Diesel. I'll shut up now - while some idiot calls me racist. Sigh.

  • June 23, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    CaptGrogan

    by mrfan

    Well said.

  • June 23, 2007, 5:51 a.m. CST

    CaptGrogan

    by The Grey Ghost

    Maybe a man drinking a magical potion to stay forever 47 just won't mesh tonally with this feature film. <br><br> We're nit-picking over what will amount to a three to five minute cameo. If this movie doesn't suceed, there will be no Nick Fury solo film. If it does suceed, none of us should have anything to complain about.

  • June 23, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Well said CaptGrogan!

    by Cpt Shaw

    I totally echo your sentiment's.

  • June 23, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    The Grey Ghost

    by CaptGrogan

    A 3 to 5 minute cameo that sets , for me, a disturbing precendent of throwing away comic book history. Recent films have just taken the cowards way out. Cant have sentinels seen in X-Men why exactly? Sure as hell wasnt budget, based on what they spent. Its because some idiot suit said "giant robots will never mesh tonally with this film" *coughtransformerscough*. And hey while we are at it - lets make Johnny Storm into the Super Skrull and no one will notice. Let's change Nick Fury's race! That will make us hip and cool and urban! Won't mesh? This is a film that may just introduce a villain whose powers are magic rings that come from giant alien space dragons' crashed spaceship. Now they may not include that, but thats canon. The Super Hero as modern literature takes a beating quite often because those entrusted with translating these modern fables onto the big screen often dumb down the material on the premise that "its really just a kid's funny book". Maybe its me. For me, growing up, comics were my escape, much like film was for Harry. Hours upon hours reading the thousands of comics that my Dad and his two brothers had left stored in my grandmothers basement. I read dozens of issues of Nick Fury and his Howling Commandoes. And Nick Fury - Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Im invested in the character. And in a genre where fans are often treated to many little nods and injokes sort of honoring the previous material, to see that dumped in favor of the now-passe (imho) Ultimates universe is disheartening.

  • June 23, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    and another thing

    by CaptGrogan

    how the hell do you make paragraphs on this site?

  • June 23, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    Some of you are morons.

    by warghost

    No one who complains about Nick Fury being black are racist. You assholes who are calling others "racist" need to stop playing the race card and grow up. It's obvious that the people who want Nick Fury to be white are fans of the original comics, and not the new garbage that Marvel's been spaewing forth on to the massed for the past decade. Nick Fury was originally WHITE and he should always be WHITE. It has nothing to do with racist. It's canon! It's just like how most of us would be upset if Wolverine had blonde hair in his upcoming self-titled movie. It just doesn't represent the character properly. Can you imagine how many African American comic book readers would be upset if the next Spawn movie featured a white man in the lead role. So, pull your heads out of your asses and try to understand that fans upholding canon has nothing to do with racism, and you accusing people of that makes you look like unintelligent fools.

  • June 23, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    OK

    by antonphd

    I was willing to give that I kneejerked, but then all I read is "he's always been white, he should always be white", "he's white, period", "he got a small penis, deal with it" but my favorite racist statement of all? "but Nick Fury fought in WW2". and to that I want to say FUCK YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!! I didn't say anyone was some tree hanging ball clipping tar and feathering son of the dragon... I said that it is racist, though only a little, and it does happen in degrees, obviously, to give a flying fuck about what race a super hero is portrayed. If you weren't a little or maybe a lot racist, you wouldn't give a shit. Disagree with me? Fine. But don't dismiss it with bullshit about me crying if Blade were white. Why would I give a shit if Blade were white? I'm not a racist asshole. Just because there are in fact very racist black people, doesn't mean they aren't racist because they are black. And I'm far far far far far from someone who crys racist for nothing. Hell, in college I wrote a paper called "The Rules of Joking" about the fact that you can make racists jokes if you are either of that race or someone in your immediate family is. Though, it was a paper pointing a finger at casual racism. My parents are german and I gotta admit that the fact that they are full on racists, that I am inclined to want to think of them as just a couple of german nazi fuckers. But that wouldn't really be fair. Just because a shitload of Germans tried to wipe out another race while taking over the world... well, it's not like every German is a fucking nazi, so, I just gotta think of my parents as a couple of pathetic asshole racist motherfuckers... who happen to be german. I do agree that I should have not just cried RACIST ASSHOLES in response in here. I should have simply stated that I think that race shouldn't matter. I admit that I was pissed to read a couple of comments, that I'd be stupid not to think were flat out racist, despite the argument by some that all of the race comments are only about Ultimates vs 616. Because it's not. But I should not have just cried racist because it looked like I labeled everyone. But in all fairness... you are a bunch of racist assholes!!! but you're really not. but you are. but you're not. but you are. DAMN YOU ON THE LOT!!!

  • June 23, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I take it back

    by antonphd

    I just realised something about this whole thing... I assume that for someone to care enough to cry about what race a superhero is being played in a movie that they would have to be racist. I realise I was wrong. You bitches are just fucking cry babies. You cry and whine like little babies about every little thing. Seriously, I didn't realise that anyone could be such a pussy that they would cry about the race of a superhero. I am corrected. You are not racists. I'm not kidding. I was wrong. My appoligies.<p> <p> This is why nobody gives a shit about comic geeks. Because they are embaressingly immature. I love comics. I don't read them now, but I loved them as a kid. I like to browse them at Barnes and Noble. I like the movies coming out. But I read that Sam Jackson was in a superhero movie and I just thought it was cool news. I sure as shit didn't think about how he's black and Nick Fury of old was another of the 100000000 white male superheroes. You bitches need to grow the fuck up and join society where if you complained about someone being black... you are a racist... because that's what it is to really give a shit one way or the other. But I suppose that expecting a comic geek to grow up is as pointless as holding out hope for a 4th Indiana Jones movie.

  • June 23, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    "Gulf War" is an oxymoron

    by lettersoftransit

    It was more of a turkey shoot. A cake walk, whereas WW2 was the wholke fucking world going insane for six years. Bush is a monarchy-loving moron, and Iraq a major historic fuckup but if we continue to stay the course, maybe we'll get us another world war, and that will make it a lot easier writing modern day heroes with a past.

  • June 23, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    :::CaptGrogan (paragraph breaks)

    by The Dum Guy

    Either put < p > (sans spaces) or put < br >< br > (also w/out the spaces.

  • June 23, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    CaptGrogan

    by Ribbons

    You do realize that the "badass" Nick Fury who fought in WWII would be somewhere in the ballpark of 90 years old, don't you? As for whether demanding a white Nick Fury is racially biased or not -- it all depends on the reasons why, I guess, but it's still an incredibly stupid thing to be arguing about. The difference between the Ultimate and 616 Nick Fury is negligible. One chomps a cigar and wears blue spandex, and the other doesn't. Whoop-de-doo.

  • June 23, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    What's Cool?

    by Evil Chicken

    Now THAT is cool.

  • June 23, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Hydra

    by KillianXX

    I am tired of these Motherfuckin' Hydra on this Motherfuckin' Helicarrier!!!

  • June 23, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by CaptGrogan

    Yes, I realize that. Though in the comics his aging has been slowed. They wouldnt even necessarily have to address that - but leaving the character as originally concieved, for me at least, is a big deal. For the long time fans, this now "minor" character once held his own on our comics lists with the likes of Superman or Batman. And the coolest part is, unlike DC Comics, which essentially forgot about its similar Sgt Rock characer, Marvel went ahead and created a whole new comics mythos around him, took him out of WW2, made him older - and inserted him into their modern continuity. Good stuff. All going to waste now. And Antonphd... and his "motherfuckers are racist, no wait they arent..no wait they are.. no wait where's my Zoloft?" rant was fucking hilarious. Unintentionally Im sure.

  • June 23, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Angelina Jolie as Nichole Fury!!!

    by Mother_Gunshot

    She made a great impersonation as Frankie Cook in Sky Captain. Oh, and anton: the more you're insisting on labelling ANYONE who disagrees with you a racist (without knowing shit about the guys - and not giving shit about the insulting and unfair aspect of this for the wrongfully accused) the more you prove than 1/ you're the single one person who raises the race "issue" the most (attention-whore?) and 2/ you don't know SHIT about comics. And especially Nick Fury. You have nothing to prove your point, nothing new to bring on the table. Stop trolling. PLEASE. This TB was (unusually) a great place where the consensus was clearly leaning toward positivity and even naysayers had some valid points to explain before you started throwing clueless accusations and calling names. FOR THE LAST TIME: YOU DON'T KNOW THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING TO, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY EXPRESS THEIR (VALID) DISAGREEMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. NO F-U-C-K-I-N-G IDEA. People disagree about the use of a character and you put every detractor into the same "Racists!!!" category without the slightest clue. Talk about prejudice. Grow up. I sum up: Sam Jackson was huge in Pulp and DH3, then nothing. Nick Fury was white, then black. Favreau picks everything he sees fit in HIS movie , whether WE like it or not. Some prefer 616 (classics, with 40 years of continuity), the others prefer Ultimates (5 years old, cool Sam Jackson-themed character but lousy writing, and no real cred for older fans). THAT'S ALL. Period. Fin. Now shut the fuck up and wake up when the teaser hits to piss on the keg to spoil the party, like you managed to do so far.

  • June 23, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    CaptGrogan

    by antonphd

    nah, intentional, i realise i was wrong. but... no reason i can't still make fun of myself and everyone else. still think it's petty... but probably not racist.

  • June 23, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Terrance Howard is in this too!

    by lost.rules

    We are experincing a black wash folks. Just kidding, you racist fucks!

  • June 23, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    W.E.T. entertainment television

    by lost.rules

    White Entertainment Television, otherwise known as NBC. Reverse racism hurts don't it? Evertime I walk past a black man, and he calls me a Honky, I die a little inside. Oh, wait. That never happens.

  • June 23, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    I hate to invoke my Necromancy Powers...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    But fuck the statement that 'Only dudes under 20' like the Ultimates. Fuck that. I'm 32 and a proud supporter of Mark Millar and the fucking 'widescreening' of comics. Shit on balls, if you can't handle that the medium and the storytelling have changed, and for the better much of the time...Fucking asshats saying that the Ultimates is poorly written, hasn't picked up a copy of fucking ANYTHING Image is putting out, or the fuckin Marvel OG line right now. I will admit that if you take the Ultimates line OUTSIDE of the Ultimates, Ultimate X-Men, and Ultimate Spider-Man...written well, the original writers...yeah, it's started to suck. Shit, there's a lot of shitty writing going on just about everywhere in comics. And, as for Civil War...the mature themes there prove that the 616 HAD to keep up with the Ultimates, because that line was SELLING and the original shit wasn't. And yeah, give me Black Spider Man! What would kick ass in this flick is setting up Terence Howard as fucking War Machine! WOOT! Fuck yeah...Cast Ice-T as Punisher! Give the fucking Superman role to Shaq! Wait...they almost did that...didn't they? Nick Fury, to the kids buying the Ultimate Avengers DVD is black. To the 'kids' who read the new comics...new comics fans...Nick Fury is black. Old Nick Fury, cigar-chomping badass (and yes, the Steranko fucking Fury was the fucking MACK DADDY, he was fucking In Like Flint and Metal Gear's Daddy)...But just like showing a fifteen year old or thirteen year old In Like Flint, they're going to say...oh, that's like Austin Powers! And all the curmudgeonly fucks out there will shake their heads in their 'wisdom' and pine for yesteryear. Youth is in your mind, and in your heart...Things change...get used to it, or prepare for constant shock and disappointment.

  • June 23, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, and 616...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Hey, guys...Millar wrote Civil War...one of the best mini series in Marvel History...the inventor of the fucking Ultimates. Yeaaaahhh boyeee.. And if you want to blame anyone for the 'Ultimization' of the Marvel Universe you might want to send your complaints to Warren Ellis, who started it way back in Excalibur.

  • June 23, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Fury

    by Prefect Maximus

    I thought Nick Fury was white. How is it being done right? Sounds wrong to me....???

  • June 23, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Prefect Maximus

    by antonphd

    Nah, he's always been black. There's the new Ultimates version where he's white. But that's the shit version. I think Sam Jackson may be a bit young to play Nick Fury, but I will wait to see how he does before I make up my mind.

  • June 24, 2007, 1:08 a.m. CST

    You can SMELLan Ultimate movie allright...BECAUSE IT'S

    by RickSlamu2

    SHIT!!!!!! TO THIS DAY I STILL CAN NOT BELEAVE THAT PEOPLE HAVE FALLEN FOR THE MOST OVBIOUS AND CYNICAL MARKETING PLOYS EVER CREATED!!!! 'LET`S JUST FUCK THINGS UP AND IT`LL BE GREAT!!' Hey im a live and let live kind of guy. You want your crap thats one step above crap-ass net fan fiction, hey it's your money to throw away. BUT DO NOT DESTROY THE MARVEL MOVIES (as imperfect as they are) WITH TARDING THEM UP WITH ULTI-CRAP!!! Black Fury [sounds like a porn name] can blow me!

  • June 24, 2007, 2:09 a.m. CST

    I've been vocal of disliking Favreau because...

    by Playkins

    ..I thought Zathura was a piece of crap, but I have to admit, I'm REALLY liking what he's doing with Iron Man right now. Cast, costume (esp the prototype) is right on the money. Jon, you're making me a believer.

  • June 24, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    I strongly criticized Favreau myself

    by Mother_Gunshot

    because of his prior efforts as a wannabe-director. Now I must admit that the positive aspects (Downey, Bridges, Jackson and the armors) outweigh the crap (Paltrow, and lil' sissy Howard nowhere near as badass as Rhodey - but heh everybody these days can call "re-invention" and get away with it, right Millar?) <p> My only concern is that the "cosmetic" changes (cast & production design) have been so many times used as a decoy... May I remind you how everybody went crazy when the media reported the "stellar, star-studded" casting of movies like X-men or Hulk? How their promoters promised us "mature themes" and "never-seen-before" direction? Years later it could make us smile, but since the casting is the weapon of choice for the studios to fool us, and IM cast gathers 7 oscar nominations but also past movies like Gothika, Arlington Road, the prequels, A perfect murder, Investigating sex, Elf & Zathura... Keep in mind that you can't make a good action/sci-fi movie with cast only. You need a fucking good script and director. Since Favreau is a mediocre at best director, and the screenwriters' only fame comes from Children of Men, which they didn't even wrote... One should be CAUTIONOUSLY optimistic. Never forget Ang Lee's HULK. Nor Singer's comics flicks. NEVER FORGET.

  • June 24, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    As much as i like Sam Jackson...

    by Jaxon727

    I don't think he's right for Nick Fury.I was thinking someone like Kurt Russel, he already has experience with the eye patch and he is closer to what the comic book suggest. I think putting Sam Jackson as Nick would be like adding a cape to Iron Man's suit, hwere the cape might be cool it doesn't belong on Iron Man. IMHO

  • June 24, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    The Black Supermen.

    by UltimaRex

    Steel - ttp://tinyurl.com/3d6uuo. Tangent Superman - http://tinyurl.com/33ycqt. Two or three of the League of Supermen (legends of the lost earth, no pic). Earth D Superman - http://tinyurl.com/2jvkke. Sunshine Superman - http://tinyurl.com/3ys343.

  • June 24, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    MOVIES are not the comic universes!!!

    by ZeroCorpse

    This isn't Marvel 616. This isn't Ultimate Marvel, either. The movies have always been a separate universe-- sort of an amalgamation of various ones, including some of the "what if?" universes. <p> Look at Spider-Man. Organic web shooters from the get-go. Weird techno-goblin. Gwen Stacy didn't come along until AFTER Mary Jane and Pete hooked up, and Gwen never died at the hands of the Goblin. Significant changes there. It's still Spider-Man, but it's a different universe. Things happened differently. It stands on its own. <p> Look at Fantastic Four. Doctor Doom is more like the Ultimate version. Reed is more like the 616 version. Alicia is black. It's a separate universe. Different things happened, and people are slightly different. <p> Look at Daredevil. Black Kingpin. Non-Greek, non-raven-haired, non-badass Elektra. Different universe. Different people. Different things happened. <p> Look at X-Men. TOTALLY different back-story. No Carol Danvers for Rogue to siphon, thus this version of Rogue is kind of a wimp. Kitty doesn't seem to be romantically linked to Piotr. Piotr (actually, Peter) doesn't seem to be Russian, and doesn't seem to have a sister or brother that are prominently featured. Storm isn't a regal woman who would some day be queen of Wakanda, but a whiny bitch with cheesy one-liners and no accent. Jean's completely different. Cyclops is dead. Mystique is COMPLETELY different. Magneto is older. Wolverine is taller and has a slightly different history. <p> My point is that the Movie Marvel Universe is clearly a separate universe from the 616 or Ultimate universe, and a mix-and-match of elements from both of those. This Ultimate version of Nick Fury must exist in other universes, and the movie universe just happens to be one of them. Roll with it. It will be cool. <p> Besides, the 616-inspired Nick Fury had his run on TV, with the less-powerful TV Hulk, horrible rope-shooting TV Spider-Man, and weak-ass TV X-Factor. <p> I'm looking forward to an Iron Man movie that takes the best from both 616 and Ultimate and gives us a good, solid, action-packed, respectable story. Personally, I think Ultimate-inspired Nick Fury is a better choice for the movies. He's written better. You don't need to know much about him to get what he stands for... And he's not so old-fashioned. <p> Sorry, I like 616 Fury, but he's very old fashioned. That's why Tony Stark is doing his job right now.

  • June 24, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    re: white Blade...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... Blade as he's portrayed in movies could just as easily be white, Asian, Hispanic, what have you... <p> but the Blade I loved as a preteen... Marv Wolfman's wooden knife weilding Blade of Tomb of Dracula... was as Blaxploitation a character as Shaft or Superfly! <p> *That* Blade has never been potrayed on screen and would be a gas to see... *he* would have to be black. <p> PS anton, you were only joking about your dick? What a disappointment! Here I was, ready to ask you if it could drive a car... and if so, what make and model...

  • June 24, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    People who call other people racists...

    by jfp2007

    ...are racists of racists. Think about it.

  • June 24, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    I'm ok with that...

    by omarthesnake

    i'll be racist toward racists all i want. no problem there. Sorry, I'm too busy with my jetsetting life to read this talkback in depth, are people actually COMPLAINING about Sam Jackson as Nick Fury? It's a terrific idea, and a nice nod to the Ultimates, which was a very compelling comic book series until i got tired of the delays. Love the old school Nick Fury too, but Sam "Get the Motherfucking Snakes off the Motherfucking Helicarrier" Jackson is cool by me.

  • June 24, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    and this reverse racism thing...

    by omarthesnake

    this "oh, if they'd made Blade white people wouldve complained" horseshit... Yes, they would have complained. For decades the superhero leagues were way too whitebread. So if you're rebooting things, why the hell not making it less blandly generic? No, you don't fundamentally change a top tier character like Batman, but face it, Nick Fury isn't that familiar to the public, and he can be black just fine. And it's a damned good casting choice.

  • June 24, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    That's the whole point of the reboot:

    by Mother_Gunshot

    to use established characters, but with a twist. And yes of course in the 21st century creating ICONS isn't the same thing as in the 40's or the 60's. From what I read most of the time people in here complained about the use of the remake instead of the original. It had nothing to do with the color - and certainly not with the "race". If you were wandering here while the bogus news about the new Hulk being grey broke, you'd understand what a "color issue" means here^^

  • June 24, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 4+

    by antonphd

    I'd be interested in seeing a retelling of Spiderman for future movies. I'm kinda bored with the characters right now. I really enjoyed 1-3, but I don't know about 4. Maybe taking the India approach could be cool. Hell, do a girl version and see what that does. I understand wanting to see the character you know and love brought to life on the big screen. Now I've seen Spidey done right. I could go for some variety and re-imagining. Won't happen in a million years, but I think I'd like it.

  • June 24, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    * Is it possible to mix classic style with modern grey?

    by JDanielP

    I may be one of the few...but I actually have an appreciation for both the classic, black & white style of superhero storytelling...and the ULTIMATES, a modernized version of the Avengers, interpreted in Hollywood fashion. I'm actually on both sides of the fence. And how do I feel about Sam Jackson as Nick Fury? Smart choice, I say. If Hollywood manages to pull the best from comic book history and gives us a great mix of what's already proven successful (on paper), from days long past and the Ultimates line, ...we may yet get a superhero flick that raises the bar. -Knowing that Sam Jackson is playing the role, I'm excited that Nick Fury will play a small part.

  • June 25, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    War Machine?

    by egg macguffin

    Official? Terrance Howard as War Machine...http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=368715

  • June 25, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Mother_gunshot

    by CaptGrogan

    Race shouldnt be a "twist". Being black isnt a novelty or a gimmick. And shouldnt be treated as such. The character of Nick Fury as originally conceived, is fantastic. So someone sketched him black in ten panels of the Ultimates book and we throw out 40 years of comic history in favor of that? That shit aint right.

  • June 25, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    egg macguffin, old news.

    by raw_bean

    Favreaux said ages ago that he has a trilogy in mind, that would feature War Machine, after introducing Rhodey in the first film.

  • June 25, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Why limit yourself?

    by zamfir1970

    I think mixing the continuity of Marvel's different franchises is a great idea. Maybe they could do a classic Spider-Man fighting side by side with one of his clones, or better yet, with the Earth X Peter Parker (Or even Spider-Ham!), fighting against Blood Spider. There are so many variations, it boggles the mind. Also, I think it's high time we stopped discriminating based on physical appearance. We should go with the best actor. How about Ben Kingsley as the Human Torch? Just think of the depth he could bring to the role. And if they ever get around to doing Dr. Strange, I think Dame Judi Dench has really got the chops to do the part some justice. But seriously, folks... Here are some rules for making Marvel movies: 1. DON'T KILL THE BAD GUYS 2. Choose a director who gives a shit 3. Choose actors who look and act as much like the characters in the comic book as possible (See Hellboy) 4. Don't fuck up the continuity I mean, really.

  • June 25, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    CaptGrogan,

    by raw_bean

    ...first of all, Ultimate Nick Fury is probably THE main character of the Ultimate Universe, featuring fairly heavily in Ultimate Spider-Man, very heavily in Ultimate X-Men, and as the leader of The Ultimates. So while he doesn't have the 40 year history of the original, he's hardly only featured in ten panels, either.<p>As for the rest, according to Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch in the first Ultimates hardback volume, the original Nick Fury was styled on James Dean (? I think that's who they said, don't have the book on me) as the ultimate icon of 'cool' for the period. They looked around for someone who similarly signified 'cool' in the 21st century and came up with Samuel L. Jackson. I really can't fault their reasoning there.

  • June 25, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    SAM JACKSON CAST AS ROSARCH

    by lost.rules

    Heheh. Fucking wit u.

  • June 25, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    It's just a clever PR stunt, everyone relax

    by Mother_Gunshot

    Favreau is using his appeal as an actor-turned-director to lure some serious guys into a comics movie. As Singer and Ang Lee (both with their oscar fame) did before him. <p> Now, after Downey the newborn, Paltrow the Oscar-girl, Bridges the Dude and Howard the rising star, they need just another cool guy to raise the nerd-O-meter. Here comes Sam Jackson, simple as that. I really hope they'll give him a REAL part, but how much do you bet it will be only a cameo for the sake of adding another star to the cast? It's good for the continuity if they make a Nick Fury flick, but c'mon all this star-studded cast is too good to be true. There must be something fishy on this flick... The script? (maybe)... The director? (anyone who saw his previous flicks should agree that he's the weakest link on this movie).

  • June 25, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Pirates of the... who?

    by sjezz

    Was never a big fan of the Nick Fury character. Always thought he looked like pirate. Who wears an eyepatch in the 21st century anyway? And he's got a stupid name. Well that was until the Ultimates came along. Now I can kinda tolerate the dude. I guess the eyepatch is less noticeable on the black Fury. If anyone should play him, it should be Sam Jackson. He lends coolness to what's a pretty dated character. However, would fans shoot me if I said 'is it time to get rid of the eyepatch?' Probably. But don't get riled up when non-comic fans laugh when the leader of what's supposed to be a high-tech defence organisation walks into the room wearing, yes, an eyepatch.

  • June 25, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    As long as they do the giant helicopter battleship

    by ironburl

    I'm OK with all of it.

  • June 25, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    I see people wearing eyepatches all the time.

    by ironburl

    But then, I live in Texas.

  • June 26, 2007, 2:45 a.m. CST

    sjezz

    by sjezz

    Ha! Yes and I live in the suburbs which is probably why I never see anyone wearing one. Wouldn't it be funny if they gave fury a bionic eye that he could do all kinds of crazy shit with. Man, how much would that fuck with the fans! ... It'd be funny, but shit.

  • June 26, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Nick Fury is in a dance scene for Iron Man

    by Boondock Devil

    Considering that somehow it became a rule to throw in Marvel characters dancing in every movie now.

  • June 26, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST

    raw_bean

    by CaptGrogan

    thats not the point. If 40 yrs ago they had styled fury on a black actor, Id still be advocating for the original, not some "new and improved" version. At best, the new fury has a couple of years of background history in other characters comics. I'll still take the original any day.

  • June 26, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Hillary Swank joined the cast

    by Mother_Gunshot

    Another Oscar winner for a fucking cameo. What are they trying to prove at this point? We KNOW they mean business. <p> On the other hand, she could make a kickass Bethany Cabe.

  • June 26, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    goldenage-you're a moron

    by septic sef

    all you people accusing each other of racsim shut the fuck up.if the iron man movie was based on the ultimates version i'd have to say that sam jackson joining the film was the best news ever but it's not .i thought the king pin in the sucky daredevil flick was bad enough.next thing you're gonna tell me is will smith will be the new superman...or dolph lundgren playing the black panther.it doesn't have anything to do with racism if someone wants the golden age version of their character.sam jackson is a truly amazing actor but he shouldn't be the "original" nick fury.

  • June 26, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I can't let this TB die on a sad note

    by Mother_Gunshot

    Sam J has been announced as Nick Fury, for Christ's sake! It is a fucking cool bit of news indeed and, even if I can understand the disappointment about the choice of mediocre Ultimate Universe over 616, I can't let it die that way. <p> The paranoid whiny bitches yelling "Racism!" where it was uncalled for (yeah, you know who you are) were loud enough to fuck up what was once an interesting discussion. <p> Now, let's all hug one another, and see you on the teaser trailer's TB for more bitching about nipples on Paltrow or flames on Bridges.

  • June 26, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo re: only black guy named Nick...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...What about Nick Carter? He's almost as black as Justin Timberlake, and that's as black as you can get...

  • June 26, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Samuel L.

    by anointed

    I am a black man and was furious when they made the Kingpin black, I guess like a lot of people who grew up on comics I am a comic purist. But, I realize that a good actor trancends race, if he or she is doing a good job you don't focus on their color, if they are doing their job, they will blend into the story well and not stick out because he or she is playing the part of someone of a different race. On the other hand, I don't think you can change the race or gender of an iconic character like Batman or Storm, that would be a little too much to ask of fans, but, we have to remember that studios want a broader audience that maybe didn't grow up on comics, in which case, the color wouldn't matter. I saw a picture of the the four main characters in this months Entertainment Weekly and it gave me such a hard on for this movie, now this news has just made me pop one, I think this is awesome, it seems like a funny coincidence that I decided to rent Black Snake Moan today and here this. It wasn't what I expected and boy am I glad, BSM was such an awesome movie. "...nothing cures the blues like some good p...y" Awesome!!!!

  • June 27, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I'm a last word freak

    by Mother_Gunshot

    proof

  • June 27, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    guess what assholes, the hotel manager in 1408 was

    by roccotheripper

    WHITE in the short story. no one cares!! sam is the man and it doesn't matter who's black or white. i hope sam keeps stealing white men roles.

  • June 28, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Morgan Freeman's character in Shawshank was white too

    by Mother_Gunshot

    a redhead irish to be precise. Sam is NOT stealing a "white man role", he's playing a character modeled after him. Period.

  • June 28, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    @anointed

    by septic sef

    as i said i think sam jackson is an awesome actor and he would be a match made in heaven if this was the ultimates iron man.the movie constantine freaked the shit outta me when they changed him from a cool fucked up irish con man into a shitty american matrix keanu reeves...all i'm sayin is you shouldn't fuck up a characters origin like that and i do think that nick fury isn't a minor character in the marvel universe...

  • June 28, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    All you racist cocksmokers make me sick

    by Duke of Hurl

    If race had anything to do with that character, I'd see the point. But many of you have proven that mankind is still full of shit. Fuckin overweight, basement-dwelling, hatred-spewing dickheads. This is really the first time I've ever felt ashamed to be a part of this AICN community...

  • June 29, 2007, 6:33 a.m. CST

    *yaaaawn*

    by Mother_Gunshot

    616 <p> ULTIMATES <p> The movie, which blends both universes into some retconned loophole <p> Simple as that.

  • July 7, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Wow, Favreau just denied it officially

    by Mother_Gunshot

    or did he? <p> http://tinyurl.com/26xt23

  • July 16, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Boycott Iron Man Movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by RaZaK

    That would show those Marvel @$$es not to kill Captain America. Downey Jr is the perfect choice to portay that degenerate sell-out. Yes, it's his origin story. i don't care. Marvel needs to get real feedback for killing Cap. Hit them where it hurts...their wallets.