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10 Minutes Of LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD For Your Consideration, Motherfu...(Oh, Wait! Bruce Can't Say That Anymore!!)
Merrick here...
This little tidbit is apparently a few days old (from late last week, to be precise). However, I haven't seen much about this anywhere and, thanks to a reader called The Teethgrinder, just found out about it myself.
With surprisingly little notice or fanfare, 10 minutes of LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD has appeared in cyberspace. I'm not 100% clear on where this footage originated from. It's branded by MovieWeb, although I can't find an article there which actually introduces the material. Maybe I missed something.
Anyway, here's the footage:
First impressions? Michael Bay style without Michael Bay energy. A little lackluster. Gloss, but no pulse. Lacks the "grit"...or "balls"...of the other films. This isn't helped much by Marco Beltrami's score, which (not surprisingly) feels a bit tepid when compared to Kamen's past work in the franchise. It's a DIE HARD score by way of Rick Berman.
Of course, this is only ten minutes of footage - the film as a whole could play out for the better, or worse. Eager to see the whole shebang, despite its PG-13 pussyfication.
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You know it.
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Its PG-13 in the states but rated 15 here in the UK. I am sure it's still tame but it may not be that tame. I still don't like the look of it far too glossy and Michael Bay-ish and not enough grit or realism. MICHAEL BAY HAS DESTROYED THE AMERICAN ACTION GENRE!!! *sigh* that felt good to get of my chest.
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The only way to see this flick.
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PC or a MAC he's using? :-)
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I mean that this is the first time I have ever posted here.
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If those clips are any indication, this movie is going to be nothing but blue light and panning shots. And you're right, Merrick, that score is killing the movie. Makes Bay look genius by comparison.
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Is this is genuine (I didn't bother to look properly) how come you guys post it then get all high horse about people who download HOSTEL 2? This could be AICN's lowest moment yet, it really could.
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It was scripted, filmed, and edited aiming for a PG13, it was NOT cut down for that rating. Therefore there is no "hardcore" R-rated version to put out on DVD. More language or blood was never filmed. They went into this whole thing with a PG13 plan, according to Walter B himself.I don't like it either, but I've accepted it, as should you all.
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MTV directing :( A reason not to watch it. It looks like an episode of 24.
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here is what i hate. this secret group is going about killing all these hackers by gettin into their house and blowing them up by puttin c4 on their computers?? i mean shit, if u can get in their damn house to do that, why not just kill them in a way that wont bein SO FUCKING OBVIOUS THAT ITS A CONSPIRACY??? i mean damn, choke one guy, run another one over,etc. also, how in the hell did they rig their computers with c4? thats just silly. and then the big guns outside of the kids house. WHY NOT JUST GO IN AND GET HIM? why try and snipe his ass? shit like that REALLY REALLLYYYYYYYY takes away from enjoying a movie when the entire premise is based on some shit that shouldnt have fuckin happened. and i hate bald mcclaine. the kid wasnt as bad as i thought tho, he did nervous nerdy kinda well. still tho, this movie is so gonna suck.
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I thought it was actually pretty decent. I didn't see the first one, and I HATE all the Saw films with a fiery passion, but it had a sense of humor about itself and was entertaining - and never gory just for gore's sake....okay, I take that back - but at least it had CHARACTERS - something no Saw film I've seen yet has had. With that said - I think releasing ten minutes of a film online is a really, really dumb move - especially if it appears to have been done randomly, and just to generate a little MORE hype for an already-super-hyped summer blockbuster.
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This looks great! Can't wait for this one...
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hahaha
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I don't even wanna watch 10 mins of it for free. I'd rather drag my nuts through shaved galss & vomit blood from my eyeballs (which I hear is a side effect of goin to see this turd). Why am I even commenting? *sigh*
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At least Bruce can still do the "McClane Crawl" pretty well...
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Fuck this pg-13 action shit. If i wanted pg-13 action, I'd watch spiderman 3. Does the Die hard franchise's need money that bad and if so, just endorse it through Macdonald's or fucking burger king for that kind of promotion.
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Yeah Right! Did he mention why he was bald in this film? Of course- he mentioned it 6 times already. This pig smells
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It has Michael Bay style without Michael Bay arrogance, and I think Maro Beltrami's score is adequate so far. The gun fights are pretty alright too.
Can't wait to see the rest.
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I like Justin Long too, so am interested in this.
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I like bald McClane. What's up with all these nerds who hate bald heads?
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Marc Forster will direct Bond 22: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117967226.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
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"I think this one is even better than the first one" or something like that. How could he say such a thing? (money?) IDIOT. Impossible! No fuckin' way. DIE HARD is the greatest action movie ever created.
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it shouldn't be a die hard movie
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The movie could be good, I'm kind of torn between "meh" and "interesting".
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The fact alone that Michael Bay's name has been invoked seems to indicate Suckville. I have never in my life looked forward to a sequel, and save for a few rare exceptions my pessimism has not been in vain. PG-13... what a crock. More Hollywood feedbag schlop for the masses. Think I'll save my money for P.T. Anderson's new one.
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I just don't get the PG-13
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AICN does not condone piracy eh?
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I know everyone is gonna reply "money", but that just seems retarded. An R rating hasnt kept the recently release 300 from making LOTSA money. It also didn't keep the previous films from making money. Plus, if anything to the film's producers should realize a PG-13 should actually keep people, especially the film's fan base away from the film since they will see the film has been heavily toned down and censored. LAME IDEA! Whats sad is the film will probably do even worse than it would have because of the new rating.
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Someone please administer CPR to McClane and tell him to man-up and do it 'R' style...
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...despite its PG-13 pussyfication.
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Motorfingers! Where's the official Bee-dub endorsement of this footage?
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After watching that complete snore fest my suspicions look to be true. This movie is going to be a complete piece of shit. Underworld was overrated bs and I never understood why it was a hit. Len Wiseman is completely wrong for a Die Hard movie. You can't do Matrix rip-off crap with a Die Hard movie and that's pretty much all Underworld was.
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Lethal Weapon 4, Superman 4, Rocky 4, Jaws the Revenge, The Next Karate Kid, Alien Resurrection, The Phantom Menace.....the list of train wrecks goes on and on and on. Add one more casualty to the pile.
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Just ask Eli Roth!
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Star Trek: IV The Voyage Home and Thunderball.
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biotch
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NOT GOOD. I cant remember the last time i saw a film that was actually quite good when they showed these extended scenes. Just look at spidey 3. Just my thoughts
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Besides the fact that all these PG-13 make me want to cry. Even the success of 300 cant change these execs mind.
But the worst thing is the fact that ALL OTHER DIE HARD MOVIES WERE R!!!
That in itself is a reason to be hesitant of this crap
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I thought it looked alright.
But yeah AICN? WTF? First your HD DVD debacle, now this? Keep up the good work morons! -
SEriously, how many clips does 1 man carry??? I mean come the friggin hell on! This is a cop going on a routine patrol. I know several piloce officers who walk hard beats and they carry like 3 or 4 clips max. McClain expended like 7 clips was was still reloading. You remember in old Hollywood action movies when the hero would fire his gun seemingly indefinitely without having to reload? Well it seems they have found a new cliche. A hero who needs to reload but apparently carries around enough spare ammo to refight The Battle of the Bulge.
Other than that nonsense. The footage wasnt so bad. IT was actually fairly decent. Not terrible by any means, but certainly nothing compelling or enticing. -
Maybe it can feel my anger and doesn't want to upset me further. Or my computer needs an add on, or FOX had it taken down.
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I thought it looked alright.
Justin Long looks good, Bruce, well I guess he's alright.
But yeah AICN? WTF? First your HD DVD debacle, now this? Keep up the good work morons! -
...roughly seven percent of the movie. There's still another ninety-three percent to judge.
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I liked Rocky 4. Who could forget Drago?
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I wondered the same thing...McClane must have some bulging pockets to carry around all those clips. Whatever happened to the first Die Hard when he ran out and had to make the last 2 bullets count?
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10 minutes out 128 equals...
by spaceworlder Jun 19th, 2007
02:01:45 PM
...roughly seven percent of the movie. There's still another ninety-three percent to judge.
Im not saying the clip was crap, im just saying i dont like it when they show these extended scenes because i believe they are desperate to get the message out more than they need to. I think they are scared that it may not be as good as they had hoped.
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is Arby's..Arby's? What, Church's or Popeye's were busy? My good feeling for this film is dwindling a little bit.
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They should retitle it to 'If at first you don't succeed in life, try try the opposite harder'
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Oh, and for the record - I liked LW4 - beat the shit out of the third one.
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GOD DAMN IT why can't they get it right. NO build up to where McClane has been for like 15 years. Still on the dept? right...I like him better as a smoking drunk.
I hate to copy the Transformers geeks but...(sigh) DHINO. I'll be seeing this at a screening this week. Will report back then. To be fair it's only a few minute clip, so I want to reserve judgment. -
I'm reserving judgement until I see the whole movie, but I'm still a bit concerned about the whole R-rated thing. Nothing Bruce said here has made me feel any different. I also don't agree on the whole movie costs too much to be R-rated. Look at The Departed, it cost 90 million dollars, and that made a hell of a lot of money. I believe that it doesn't matter if it's rated R, if it's a good story, and has good characters, people will come. Plus these Hollywood budgets have gotten out of control. I mean fuck comedies are costing 90million plus anymore, and why? If you need that much money to film a straight comedy you have no business being in the movie industry. That's just wasteful, but it's become a sad reality in these times. They think that if they throw more money at something that it will get better. I miss the days when a film-maker would take a small budget, and be creative enough to make it something beyond the budget.
The gun fight in the footage wasn't bad, but like I said I have to see the whole movie before I'll even consider passing judgement. I still believe that there's no way this will be as good as the first DieHard. And is it me, or does everything Len Wisman shot seem like he's trying to rip off James Cameron? -
He is going to screw up this franchise so badly. It's not even the PG-13 that I'm talking about its the turning Die Hard into fucking 24. This guy must've taken film classes at the "Michael Bay and Brett Ratner school for kids who can't film good; and who want to learn to do other things good too."
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watch free and get sued hard
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c'mon dude. do you REALLY think that Fox doesn't know this is out there? it's like a WEEK old....
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they should have retooled 16 Blocks, made it bigger and better and about a lil bit more and we would have had the next die hard right there. but noooooo they go and pull THIS shit
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not so long ago AICN was bitching about people downloading a certain movie instead of paying to see it
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hey, any guy who can direct his wife/girlfriend making out with another guy has got some spirit.
Loved the talkback with Walter B., but just remember a few things: 1) kevin smith, 2) kid from apple, 3) scene where they dodge that high-speed tumbling car in traffic. Like the man said, mcclane gotta' eat. -
Let's hope this isn't Star Trek Nemesis. Please god no!
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yeah, but if it's advocated by the studio then it's cool. I mean they KNOW it's outthere, they prob put it out themselves.
Look at it. It's the set-up and ONE action sequence. who's going to pirate something and then go through the trouble of putting two measly clips on-line?
stealing is stealing, but this has GOT to be studio advocated.
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Does Hollywood insist producing constant watered down sequels and re-hashings of tired old franchises? Where's all the daring and innovation gone? Bah.. At least we still have Sly and Rambo..
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Mclane had a pefect intro in #3 being hungover etc.. from the 10min clip it seems that John is a average cop clean as a whistle.. thats not mclane. I have lowered my expectations so much that hopefully i'll like this movie.
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& that's why movieweb doesn't link to it anymore
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here's a theory: fox is fucking pissed off at aintitcoolnews.com for posting that early review of fantastic 4. studio executives ordered bruce not to say a word of the older die hards. so, no rocky balboa-style promo from the action star to his fans. shame, 'cuz I really sent some fucking good questions to willis regarding live free or die hard. anybody heard tony jaa was considered as a villian? what was carmine zozzora influence on bw's career? how much was john mctiernan involved? (he is credited as a producer in the new sequel) and wasn't die hard with a vengeance supposed to be at first a prequel to the original. would willis agree to star opposite demi moore in a red hot thriller involving sex scenes (like color of night)? so many questions... too much pussy feeling surounding this anticipated movie. something inside me is starting to die... soft.
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ah, its still piracy
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Jun 19, 2007 2:28:56 PM CDT
I noticed the TV trailers sneaked in the pg-13 today
by howaboutanicecupofgofuckyourself
It's been "MOVIE NOT YET RATED" while pretending that he says "Yipee Kayah Moth...".
Personally, I always found his 'catchphrase' embarrassing and nonsensical, but that's just a personal indifference to the term motherfucker, but to pretend it's in the film when it clearly is being cut out to make more money as a PG-13 is fucking lame and treats us all like the retards the makers clearly think we are. Bruce was just trying to save face by pretending to be upset about it not being a hard R so he doesnt look like such a pussy when it hits to poor reviews, but with all the clout he has in Hollywood, he could have made sure this film was an R LONG before it got to the editing stage. Yippe Kayah muddyfunster -
Five days ago! Seriously, it took you guys five days to find out these 10 minutes were around?
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Okay, it's a crappy format and I'm watching it on a crappy computer at work (hi, boss!) so I'll reserve some bile until I watch it tonight, but...wasn't it always the case that Bruce's gun sounded like a an anti-aircraft gun going off? I always remember the sheer concussive blast when he fired it, much like Indy's hand cannon. Was it realistic? No, but damn if it didn't make you cringe when you watched the films in a theater.Knowthyself, you're right -- McClane missed a guy standing 12 feet away from him. The explosion had to kill him. Are we going to see a movie where the hero doesn't kill anyone but the final bad guy? And, let's face it, they'll probably 'Patriot Games' that, too -- oh, look, a broken keyboard and he's falling in just the right way...*splutch* Off screen, of course.Oh, to hell with it: WOULDN'T MCCLANE NORMALLY DRIVE THAT DUDE'S HEAD THROUGH A FUCKING PLANK THEN FIRE THROUGH HIS BODY TO GIVE HIMSELF COVER?!? Everyone's dead but John, who'd a bloody mess and isn't that how we want to see him?
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Jun 19, 2007 2:34:11 PM CDT
Die Hard 4 contains: one use of strong language (fact)
by whataboutbob25
And thats a fact.
See: The BBFC website. Its a "15" in the UK. Although in tv spots it was down as a 12a (TBC).
"One use of strong language"......
Fuck me. ONE?????????
Watch the first 20 mins of Die Hard 2. "100 use of the word MOTHER FUCKER"
No shit.
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Watch the retro docu on the DIE HARD 2 DVD. Willis says:
"We tried to top the first one...and I think we have done it....great movie..." Hmmmm
I love Die Hard. I will not pay to see this. Ever.
And....what the hell are they doing?:
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Than scenes of people typing furiously at computers. It's about as dramatic as... well, watching someone type. Still, it's Die Hard baby, I'm there.
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I just want one of you kids, who sit at your computer all day long, to attempt to write a better script than this. It's harder than John McClane. If you think you can do better, let's go! As long as there are so few decent writers, Hollywood will try and cash in on what's come before.
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WHATS HE GONA DO? PUT ON A DRESS AND FUCK ME?
Can you remember willis on this site saying "you will be suprised how many fucks got through"
Like in Perfect Stranger.
Lying cunt.
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Can you remember the bit when bruce puts all the dynamite and chucks it down the shaft...."fuck it"
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but ehh, it was only 10 minutes, I'll give it a chance...
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didn't he wrap a pc with all those explosives? maybe if he'd wrap up that apple kid with a bunch of c4, it might be a decent movie. . .
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wrapped with a bunch of c4 down a shaft. That would be awesome to see on the big screen!
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Yeah he did, didnt he. To the pc.
Cheif lorenzo! "FAT FUCK"
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Sadly, it seems that most fans of this franchise actually weren't fans of the character or the stories, but just of the cursing and killing. I think maybe you'd all like it better if the clip consisted of 10 minutes of McClane standing in front of a bunch of bad guys, curse them out one by one, and then shoot them in the face.
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Wednesday I'm there.
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John McClane: Hey, Carmine, let me ask you something. What sets off the metal detectors first? The lead in your ass or the shit in your brains?
John McClane: Fat fuck.
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Jesus, any other actor would have been better for that particular role.
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looked like an overly cinematographered episode of a TV show that would bore the shit out of me.
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For fucks sake
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Jun 19, 2007 2:52:35 PM CDT
Die Hard 4 contains: one use of strong language (fact)
by whataboutbob25
Remember folks!
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DIE HARD 5. Rated G?? John Mclane and kevin SMith. this movie should be like the hightest fuck counter ever. I wonder if Justin Long has a mac in the movie I wouldn't doubt he has a contract with Apple where he has to use Macs, even in movies.
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Don't forget ID4 and Police Academy 4: Citizens on Patrol.
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the real non-h8r fans are concerned with the character, the style and the tone of the movie. Personally, I loved 1&2; liked 3. For this type of character/movie, the PG-13 makes alot of people (including me) nervous. I do hate Kevin Smith, I can't figure out this apple kid, and the whole tumbling car thing makes me nervous (although the last is a little reminiscent of twenty hand grenades being thrown into a cockpit with the hero ejecting to save his ass - hee hee - that was cool). And in the last 5-10 years, the studios have been making too many sequels and with the greater general audience in mind.
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all u people thnking this will be good are a bunch of fucking plants. Die was great becae mclane was hardnosed and the first action hero that wasn't larger than life but gritty and tough. To make it PG 13 cheapens the character because violence is not pg 13. So to Metlar, FUCK YOU because your ridiculous comment saying we were fans of just the cursing, because that's part of john mclane's character. PG13 cheapens him as a character and willis as a director, you my friend are the kind of moron that would fine with a "pg-13" godfather, or a "pg-13" braveheart,you plant.
P.S. Best line from die hard 1 "you should have heard your brother squeal when I broke his FUCKING neck!" -
This looks terrible. Just terrible. I'll just pretend this so-called installment doesn't exist. Look at the first three and compare it to this. Ugh. I hope John Rambo lives up to the trailer.
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Looks Ok I guess, although he didn't come across as McClane much more like Butch Coolidge got a beat cop job. Last Boy Scout was the lost DieHard movie this looks like Enemy of the State Hard or Terminate Hard-On!? also the cinema's going to be full of little shit-for-brain, gob-shites who aint never seen a Die-Hard movie before and piss their pants whenever he says a wise ass quip so I think I'll at least avoid Opening weekendOh, and the Underworld movies sucked so hope this Wiseman dudes let Bruce do most of the directing! or maybee not!?
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please bare in mind the people who post here are completely irrelevant fucks. They talk 'hard' but cmon, most sleep with their boxed hellboy figures and sweat over optimus primes lips, just keep doin what your doin man.
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If i where john McClane I would have shit load of clips on me at all time. all the shit he has been in.
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does anyone get blue balls from the. "Yippie Kai Yai Mo" that erupt stop before the climax gives me blue balls everytime
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willis is an actor not a director, sorry, but also i don't know if anyone has mentioned this but they did this samething to Conan and ruined that franchise. Conan the Barbarian was a bad ass rated R naked bloodbath, and Conan the Destroyer was it's pussy pg13 sequal which failed miserably and i won't even mention Red Sonja.
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Oh no, wait. That was shit.
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So we are irrelevant fucks.. all of us just want to see a great die hard movie like the next guy.... But the cards are stacking very well. Stop trying to suck up..
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Will someone please explain? Or do we have to start calling this thing "Live Free or Die Defaulting on Your Freely-Assumed Obligations"?!?
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ITS GOT ONE USE OF THE WORD "FUCK" IN THE ENTIRE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nice to know that this talk back has more fucks then a Fucking Die Hard Movie
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THE HIGHEST GROSSING AND MOST POPULAR MOVIE OF 1995.
AND IT HAD BRUCE WEARING A SIGN THAT SAID "I HATE NIGGERS"
FUCK YOU WILLIS. CUNT. SELL-OUT.
YOU MADE THE LAST BOY SCOUT!!!!
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...motherjumper. "Yippee ki yay, motherjumper." nah, that won't work.
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WAS IN THE WHOLE TEN YARDS FURTHER NUMBER 2.....WHATS IT CALLED?
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I am going to laugh my ass off if Sam Jackson makes a cameo and says the only "fuck" in the entire movie...90 percent of the "fucks" in the Die Hard movies were in part 3...
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Conan. No doubt. With the fashion in which Hollywood has self-nuetered itself, I would rather not ever see King Conan: Crown of Iron ever come to fruition. Sadly, I am glad it died when it did. I will always love the first Conan. Everything was so great about that flick. My wife hates it, but I watch it at least once a year. Slave. Barbarian. Warrior. Theif. Conan. Gods, what a great score. http://tinyurl.com/yt7fpt http://tinyurl.com/yuphr6
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it quit working 3 mins 2secs into the clip
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Who was the 21st President?
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[McClane and Zeus are arguing over how to solve the problem]
John McClane: You can't do it that way you dumb, motherfucking...!
Zeus: Say it! Say it!
John McClane: Say what?
Zeus: You were going to call me a nigger, weren't you?
John McClane: No I wasn't!
Zeus: Yes you were! What were you gonna call me?
John McClane: Asshole! How's that, asshole! -
and nothing beats the original. Classic. For the ages.
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When this is over, Walter B. will come out saying that he was pressured by the studio to say that (good) stuff, that these are the new economics, yada yada yada.
Suggestion: if this movie does come out with lame reviews, load up the original Die Hard dvd and think about the good ole' times: Dwayne, Al, special agents Johnson and Johnson (no relation) & Hans Gruber and "shoot the glass". Yup, the good ole days. -
Gang Member: [in German] Nicht schiessen!
John McClane: [shoots him] Whadja say?
Mathias Targo: [kicks McClane] He said "Don't shoot!" -
he gained by joining TB's last month. Bruno, I'll always respect you for holding your own and showing up here. But I'll be damned if I pay to see this PG-13 rated Hollywood family action film inspired by the Die Hard trilogy. The main character looks and talks different so how can it be considered another installment in the series?
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I love DH3 too.
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for me to sneak into it. You won't have my money Fox. And how in hell Bruce could ask for 20 fucking millions if his name only can't secure enough spectators to get an R rating? I thought it was the way H'wood worked: you're paid big bucks because you sell tickets. If you can't sell tickets and doesn't have the leverage to force the studio to go R-rated, don't dare asking that obscene shitload of money. Do you hear, WalterB?
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PG-13=Neutered. Cue the old bag on the plane who tasers Thornburg while watching a season 1 ep of The Simpsons on the in flight TV.
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MR FALCON
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when the SWAT guy in all his body armor and big guns gets cut by a rose bush. NO sublty in this film I bet. Action-one-line-action-Yipee ki ayy mother fu...(GUNSHOT)
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You bald headed, aging cripple.
Dam you. And fuck u u cunt faced weasel.
WHY? -
Hopefully next week this place is chuck full of reviews that change my mind.... And Fox can fuck off for getting a projection kid fired for putting a review up here. Psst FOX it's your own damn fault for not making everyone in the fucking fuck theater sign a fucking piece of fucking paper.. Not allowing them to talk about your dumb FF2 on great sites like this.. Fox lurkers am fail.
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a little upset I see? At some point I think you have be grateful for what we have (DH 1-3) and accept the cookie cutter flicks. On the plus side, it's a savings of $20/person (movie+food) not to watch this dumbed down homogenized garbage.
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This TB is full of a bunch of haters. Sorry if I'm not ready to dump a load of shit all over this franchise just because McClane won't say FUCK a million times. The real basis to these movies is the action, not the profanity. I am a little bit concerned that it will be too soft on this go-around, but the clip looked good. I'll reserve judgement for after I see the movie. Of course I'm not expecting a movie that was better than the first, but that doesn't mean I won't enjoy revisiting the character again. You folks really need to calm down, go outside for five minutes and take a few breaths. Save your hating until after the movie comes out - only if necessary,
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"save your hating until after the movies comes out.." Slip. Be sure to fork over your hard earned cash first, then when it's all said and done, feel free to hate; by then, the studio will be rich(er). Funny. We'll see.
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Who knows how many houses have blown up? P.S. Most exciting, action-packed keyboarding since The Net!
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Seen it at a press screening on Friday here in Germany. But obviously Harry hasn't posted it yet and maybe won't anytime soon.So, here's my review in a nutshell:Surprisingly very good movie with a great cast and lots of cool action scenes. Maggie Q kicks ass (and Bruces)!Unfortunately you see and hear that the movie is meant to be PG-13. THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE F-BOMB IN IT!!!The Yippi-ki-yay motherf*** line is intact, but the mofo part is kind of dubbed over by a gunshot. So the language is pretty much pussified.And: a lot of guys get shot but there are no bloody exit wounds seen. That was pretty annoying.
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I will save my hating. But this isn't the Bruce Willis from the past three movies.. we want the full package. the gun toting Mclane and his use of the the word fuck... after 3 movies. John Mclane should be down to a science... Guy gets in the middle of shit going down kills a shit load of bad guys unmercifully swears like a sailor.. Thats John Mclane... If John Mclane wasn't a House hold name we wouldn't be bitching (as much its the net thats what we do) But we know this person and invested into loving him (in a non gay way) and they messed i mean fucked it up.
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You are perfectly right. There's no sense in an unrated DVD version, 'cause this movie was already shot as PG-13.
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I hope Bourne doesn't suck. As much as I loved the first two.....
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Ain't gonna get me into a theater. What a slap in the face to the fans.
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Out of context on your stupid little computer screen? Watch the movie before you open your fuckin mouth. Jeesh.
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Look, this movie may very well suck. It may suck really really bad. All I'm saying is, we can't know until we see it. I did say I was concerned that it would be too soft, but I'm willing to give it a try. All of you haters, who say that I'm not a real fan, are acting just like the millions of people in this country who would like to censor everything in the entertainmant industry - In the fact that you are forecasting the outcome of something without even seeing it. You all scream that it will suck, and tell me I'm stupid to shell out my money for this movie, as if you aren't all going to do the same. After all, you will have to see the movie to continue your hate fest of it, otherwise you'll just sound stupid - spewing about a movie you haven't even seen. Anyway, I'll see you all in line for this one.
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I dunno about anyone else, but I'm having the biggest problem with Bruce's look in this movie. He should have the hair. He doesn't look like John McClaine in this movie, he just looks like Bruce Willis. Its just like when Riggs had short hair in Lethal Weapon 4. It just looks weird. Grass is green, water's wet, and John McClain shouldn't be bald.
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Since this is PG13, I'll just download this mother fucker with Bit Torrent and watch it at home with my pre-school kids FOR FREE! YIPPIE KIE YAY FUCKTARDS!
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Or maybe "Swordfish." P.S. I hear those X-Box 360s run pretty hot, so don't go blaming the C4.
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That is all.
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I bet Hard-Boiled cost one tenth of what LFODH cost....and Hard Boiled still kicks ass! I don't need stupid harrier Jets or CGI. Just give me a bunch of motherfuckers in a building getting shot old school style with closeups, gunbattles, and bloody exit wounds. Also, a bombastic Alan Silvestri/James Horner type score! OLD SKOOL DAMMIT!!
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starring famous Korean actor Yippy Kai Ay as annoying side kick #2
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on that first explosion
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...that this footage only represents about seven percent of the finished product? We barely even see McClane in this footage, and people are already passing judgement on how he's been written. Isn't that just a little ridiculous?
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http://tinyurl.com/yvdodo
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...talking parts! The dialogue used to be delievered in a foreful, energetic, or snappy way. The dialogue in these clips made me zzzzzzzzzzz. And where are the blue collar dudes? Every Die Hard needs a few. This Alias-type espionage shit is wack.
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Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker. And I'm not paying to see this. Where's Bruce btw? Is he back yet?
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...and I was pretty worried about it. I think too many people like to be negative just to seem cool. I'm definitely in for the ride!!!!
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I was in junior high, dickhead!
This Talk-back should turn into a quotation marathon of all great lines from the Die Hard movies, involving words we will not hear in Die Hard 4.0! "I got a bad FUCKIN headache!" -
If that's true, welcome to the end of testosterone as we know it.
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All of the talkbackers , if they all got cancer tonite and died a horrible death by morning I would dance on all their motherfucking graves..heres a big fuck you all to all of you...signed Bee-Dub
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He tried to do a Sly and fucked it, no one cares about this film.
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This footage has been replaced with a symbolic short film of Len Wiseman getting crushed by a giant robot.Draw your own conclusions.
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Don't go see Die Hard 4, so Fox has to learn it's lesson yet again.
The BBFC rated it 15, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a pussified PG-13 crapfest.
The dared to give this film the name Die Hard. It's like selling water with a fucking Coca Cola label on it.
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They won't even know what the fuck a Die Hard is. FOX execs: You should've looked out for us older fans (and by old I mean the millions OVER THE AGE OF 18!) Last I've heard, there are many of us.
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fuck bruce willis.
bald prick. i heard hes a cunt
and i hear cancer is a cunt too.
so is bruce willis. HE NEVER USED TO BE THOUGH.
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The real John McClane would have stood a chance, PG-13 dude ain't got shit on R rated, hardcore John J.
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AS WELL.
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Mortar Forkers!!!
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Mother Folders!!!
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Fuck em.
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Which was also PG-13, by the way! I hope Justin asks Bruce to only shoot the bad guys in the kneecaps.
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I realize boycotts are fruitier than a banana hammock filled with grape juice, but something has to be done.
I feel burned. I feel like Bruce is trying to play us. I don't like that.
So let's not go. Opening weekend, we all go bowling or hit some boy/girl high school parties, whatever. PG-13 Die Hard is wrong, Bruce knows this, he's trying to shine us on with some fake, bullshit, Q and A, so let's not go.
If we can send Veronica Mars a million candy bars, the least we can do is sink this PG-13 Fake Hard's opening weekend.
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God, that movie sucked. The second one was mildly entertaining, untill the crapfest ending. I will always remember Die Hard as that forbidden action movie I got to watch when I was 8 years old.
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God that was dull. At least the other three had a color pallette. And WHY must every movie/crappy CSI show have lame-ass computer screens that bleep as you type? Doesn't make it any more exciting.
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Die Hard 2: Dub Harder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90Hj9lsEq4
ha ha ha two words!!! joke and you
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Had to be said.
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WTF! That makes absolutely no sense. Saying it once is O.K. but say it more than once...whoa! That would be too much for a thirteen year old to handle. FUCK THE M.P.A.A.!!!!!!!!!
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since The Warrior says that boycotts are fruity I guess I'll have to go. Damn you Warrior!
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what was Sly's take home on Rocky Balboa? Wasn't it produced for a fairly low budget?
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5...4...3....2....
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No fucking SHIT lady, do I sound like I'm orderin' a pizza?!?!
Also throwing in the big pile of blubbly red goo that is Mr Takagi's head on a window.
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Id rather toss a blind dog off for pennies than pay to see this shit fest
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SO FUCK YOU AND YOUR MOTHER.
and bruce willis.
the cunt will work for food now
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post of the day my friend. post of the day....
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CUNT CUNT FUCK FUCK IT
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WHERE ARE YOU?!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That bruce willis like to put womens tights over his head real tight and wank off in pink high heels. What do they call that again?
I also heard he like sucking off old men for candy.
And he is a cunt.
DIE HARD = not one single use of fuck.
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Hope you're in High School....
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http://tinyurl.com/28czee
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Yeesh. Maybe if you were ten when that came out, you really liked it. It completely retarded, and unrealistic. Die Hard was a thousand times better. FUCK DIE HARD 2, 3 , and 4! Hopefully, this will death bell for this franchise.
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He kept to his word. He answered our questions with humour, intelligence and incredible honesty. Willis just tried to spin the geeks with his bullshit about this Die Hard being as good, if not better! Than the original. Lame.
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Jun 19, 2007 4:58:57 PM CDT
MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by whataboutbob25
Jesus john, you look like shit.
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by request of the men with no .....
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this from DH1 doesn't have cussing but it's good..."'asian dawn?'....'I read about them in time Magazine.'"...fucking love that line
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hey dude, not many people know this, but in the original 1979 novel by Roderick Thorp called Nothing Lasts Forever, McClane (Leland in the book) is WWII vet who's visiting his daughter who works at an an oil company's skyscraper. The book is pretty freakin' rockin. I dug it up when I saw the first DH in high school.
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the only good thing about this i guess is that they won't have to edit the shit out of it when it airs on fx next year.
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bruce is a yippy muthafucka
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Director of Predator
Producer of..Leathal Weapon
Writer of.........leathal weapon
DIE HARD!!! -
"C'mon baby, come ta' papa, I'll kiss ya' fuckin' dalmatian." "Jesus Christ, Powell, he could be a fucking bartender for all we know." "You should have heard your brother squeal when I broke his fucking neck"
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Who the fuck is this?
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on national TV, DWAYNE!
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What do you think, I'm fucking stupid, Hans?
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"You motherfucker, im gonne kill you! I'm gonna fuckin' cook you, and i'm gonna fucking eat you!"
"Oh, John, what the fuck are you doing? How the fuck did you get into this shit?" McClane's a fuckin poet! -
Bruce if you're reading this please take a little of it to heart. I love your movies, I even liked Hudson Hawk (really I did, ok maybe i was on drugs but i still kind of enjoyed it). When I first saw you in moonlighting I thought this dude's gonna be a star... but a PG13 Die Hard? Really? why Bruce? I know you have a shitload of money already. did DEmi really take that much in the divorce? HOw can u pussify a great character like john mclane?...I mean cmon JOHN "YIPEE KAIYAY MOTHER FUCKIN" MCLANE. Why Bruce? Does Rupert Murdoch have dirt on you? does Fox send a different model over everyday to blow you? Cuz these would be the only reasons why I would even Thnk about sinking 11 bucks to see a pg13 die hard movie and Im a HUGE die hard fan. ONe more line from the DH1 "im gonna beat ya, then i'm gonna bake ya, then i'm gonna fuckin eat ya" i may have gotten that quote wrong but u get the gist.
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i just wanted to say it :)
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it's not the actor's fault o nthe rating. FOX fuckers are the one's who wanted it to "appeal to a younger demographic" fuck them! Not the actor. -
Attention! Attention! Nils is dead! I repeat, Nils is dead, fuck-head!
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He did accept the job, read the script, signed on, so on and so forth. Doesn't really matter. The film is done and the forth installment really won't count. A shame really. I was hoping for a more brutal McClane, if that's possible. Especially with him be older and his daughter in harm's way. I expected early Batman vs. DKR tougher. Yay Hollywood! Fuck the craft, it's all about money now. Only money. And FOX wonders why they get so much guff......
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Attention! Attention! Nils is dead! I repeat, Nils is dead, fuck-head!
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Cmon guys die hard 2 was good. it wasn't as good as the original but i thought it was really good, Siskel and Ebert (before health problems) loved it. Although i will admit not as many memorable lines but good...lol... again pg13 die hard sucks!
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bruce confirmed in an interview that was on comingsoon.net that the yipper kay yay line is there and intact so whatever that means to anyone but yeah, its in.
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"sister teresa called me Mr. Mclane. my friend's call me john....you're neither shithead"
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This is why I need to stay home and drink all day.
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McClane - "Jesus FUCKING CHRIST!"
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and to think that was in a 15...if only
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from die hard2 i forgot about this one "Just once, I'd like a regular, normal Christmas. A little eggnog... a fuckin' Christmas tree... a little turkey. But, no. I gotta crawl around in this motherfuckin' tin can."
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My favorite Bruce quote....
In case your wondering, it's a different Bruce
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Arby's, whose food I love, is the fast food promotional partner for this POS. Have you seen their newest commercial where this guy does all this action movie stuff, grabs one of their new subs, and then yells, "Yippee ki yay!"?
As we can plainly see, they're *still* pretending (read:lying) like McClane's going to be allowed to say his catchphrase.
I watched "Die Hard 2: Die Harder" on Fox Movie Channel early the other morning for the millionth time.
Those that would argue that a rating doesn't necessitate whether or not a film is good are correct. Case in point - "1408" is rated PG-13. I'm not going to bitch about it, as it's a ghost story and a character study.
But when you have a franchise that's all about the pervasive personality and devil-may-care attitude of its main character and then the studio decides to truncate that all in the name of trying to line their coffers with money and skew the film toward a younger audience (when the previous films were for adult audiences), you negate what made the franchise such a success in the first place.
But, as many of us know all too well, it's all due to two words. Separate they mean nothing. Together...well, they mean nothing together either, except that they represent one of the stupidest people on the planet:
Tom Rothman
He's the president of 20th Century Fox.
Rothman's stupid ass is the reason that "X-Men: The Last Stand" and "Alien Vs. Predator" exist.
What I find funny is that other upcoming movies this summer have already had their MPAA rating for months - Evan Almighty [PG], License To Wed [PG-13], Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix [PG-13], The Simpsons Movie [PG-13] - to name a few, yet Live Free Or Die Hard's rating wasn't released until just recently.
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it looks more like an MI3 wannabe than a die hard picture. A little better than expected in places, and alot worse in others. Simple really...they chose the wrong director
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as the director "originally envisioned". Hmmmm Love that stupid film.
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did fox make huge profits last year? I know surprising x3 was a hit but know avsp was not. I'm just curious how their box office last year was not including their tv stations and shit
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They are allowed one or two "fucks" and like three times as many "shits" in a pg-13 movie. You know Fox piad a lot of money for the pg-13 rating and probably cut a lot of gun shot wounds. I also heard they did have to cut the movie down to a pg-13 so I do have hope for a better dvd release.
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with Arnold carrying a Tree in the beginning? I fricking love that movie too. I used to have a giant crush on Alyssa Milano
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the f-word are only 3 times! For a DIE HARD movie? That only leaves for 2, as the other one reserved for yippee ky ya mf!
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EVERYBODY'S COMPLAINING. EVERYBODY. There's no argument here. There isn't one to be had. You guys fucked up real bad. And of all the things to fuck up, you fucked up a DIE HARD? You guys can suck a log.
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Ten minutes of this film gets a mysterious release. AICN Talkbackers aren't pleased. The studio goes into quick damage control mode. All the while, the Talkbacker Community starts to slowly and steadily turn on Walter B.HA!Only on AICN.
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Live Free or die hard. In EmoColor.
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This was my number one must see of the summer... until I found out about the PG-13. Now I'll wait to rent it sometime.
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Vern gives it a glowing review. Let the bribe attempts begin.
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Tom Rothman is not half the exec Bill Mechanic used to be when he ruled Fox. And Fox under Mechanic's was largely as profitable, maybe more than now.
On a sidenote, I read an interview once in a french mag where Alyssa Milano stated that while shooting Commando she wasn't a virgin anymore. She was like 13 or something?! I thought it would be an interesting anecdote in a PG-13 talkback.
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You're right, he gave us the stock answers. "It's better than the first one". Yeah, right. That's what actors always say when they promote their latest sequels.
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is he gonna chain smoke a lot? i only caught the first minute or two of this thing before they pulled he plug. im sure ill watch it over and over on dvd cause i like the character, hell i watch ed phantom menace over 100 times, but im sure it will suck problably. i was so bored when i saw underworld. i need substance and style, not just style, and not rip off style.
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Not like TF, where there are 2 sides, but this one everyone agrees that it will be shit. Why that director? I have asked ths around since he was announced, nobody ever tell me why. Not even Walter B!
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The PG-13 rating is not a sure fire suicide. Just look at the Robocop franchise. Die Hard 4 could enjoy the massive commercial and critical success of Robocop 3or the TV Series.
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when we go see, we all just shout out as many McLane style 'fuck you mother fuckers' whenever we feel that the Die Hard spirit moves us. Fill the theatre with swearing.... just like it should have been. the kids wont give a fuck, thats what they want to see. infact, NOBODY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT! the only people who are gonna go see a 4th die hard movie, are people who saw the first 3 and loved them! and they're quite ok lots of mutha fuckin swearin!
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Like that dating service, very low expectations. I'm going to go see it as I'm a fan of Bruce but I'm not going into it expecting much.
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Honestly, I've never been one to particularly care about movie studios, but Fox is really showing me how much they don't care. At all. About anything. Except money. It's all "market research" and "focus groups" and all that other fucking bullshit that dictates CREATIVITY! And the LYING. They LIED about Galactus. I am not familiar with the history of the Fantastic Four but I respect the history of it.What LEGITIMATELY blows me away is how Fox takes an otherwise successful property and bastardizes it into submission.
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Hey, I did the same deal. Die hard has been my favorite movie since I was 12. I always remembered the opening credits reading "based on the novel by roderick thorp" and spent many years searching for that novel. I eventually found it in the library of a new town I moved to, and read it a few times over. Really badass shit. Roderick thorp beat the fuck out of that guy.
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I will not be seeing Die Hard 4.
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The problem is the no-talent director, no-talent producers, and no-talent studio behind this film. Duh?
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did you just compare die hard franchise to Robocop? I was gonna say pass me some of what you've been smoking, but then again.... maybe not
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ok the clip works again? 20 minutes ago it said it was pulled.
anyways
everything seems so spelled out for the audience so they understand. with all the hip tech words like 'downloading' and 'passwords' and 'hacking'. and how many rounds do u need to kill a computer hacker kid? crazy amounts i guess.
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If this tanks then maybe there will be hope for hard R action movies to get made.Well, this tanking and if John Rambo is a hit, then you know how Hollywood is about imitating.
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at the box office. I hope.
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Jun 19, 2007 8:12:46 PM CDT
And may it be the nail in the coffin of the unwise man.
by jackpumpkinhead
May it be, may it beeee...!
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yep.
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I saw DH3 in the theater, on my birthday, with the captain of the football teams girlfriend. (sheer luck). Best time ever. And I was lost with McClane and Zues in NYC.
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I never saw number 2 or 3 and just watched them to prepare for this. They weren't bad, but weren't as good as the first either, so I'm not expecting HUGE things from this. I definitely think it's gonna be less badass without the R but should still be good action hopefully if the director doesnt fuck it all up like with Underworld. And sucks that the trailer doesnt work.
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And judging by all the CGI and blue-tinted crap, I expect there'll be a good deal of motivation to curse at the screen. Loved the previous DH films. This one just doesn't seem as grounded somehow, which is where the heart of the first three came from--outlandish things happening in a grounded setting. This looks like a completely unrelated movie that got turned into a DH film somewhere along the way. Hope I'm wrong.
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http://meta.yahoo-streaming.jp/webevents/yahoo/movie/diehard4/trailer03_1m.asx
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windows media player is the fucking worst media player ever. the clip freezes like mad. Why cant everyone just use quicktime?
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John McClane-SuperCop. I'm pretty sure fire extinguishers don't explode like that...And fuck just being a SuperCop, McClane is now the luckiest sunbitch alive; car flips right in time for him to duck and not die = lucky, T-2 doll falling and blowing bad guy up = lucky. What kind of script did they make this from, "Lucky Action Hero"?
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This looks like ass. Hollywood sequels=dead, Buddy cop films=dead, Bruce Willis as action hero=dead.
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PG-13, R? Normally, it doesn't matter to me as long as the movie's good. Heck, I saw a press screening of "Ratatouille"--a G rated movie--and it's my favorite flick of the summer. I think the PG-13 Talledega Nights is just as funny as the R-rated Knocked Up.
But I cannot imagine a PG-13 Die Hard. I don't even know what FOX was thinking. I know everyone thinks it's a money issue--except that FOX was the company that had an R-rated hit with Borat last year and has no problem flooding the theaters with The Hills Have Eyes and 28 Weeks Later.
Seriously, I'm not a fan of 4th movies normally. But I was looking forward to this. When does going from R for three movies down to PG-13 ever mean a good thing?? I'm not really a stickler for cussing, but John McClane is a character who's personality has been established over three films and we know that JOHN MCCLANE CUSSES! To cut that out is to betray a character that is beloved.
And I don't doubt that action can still be intense in a PG-13 movie. The Bourne Movies and newest James Bond confirmed that. But those were films based around stunts and bloodless combat. This is DIE HARD! The series in which John McClane shot out a terrorist's knees, stabbed a man in the eye with an icicle and cut a man in half with a car winch. Not to mention the fact that this is a series that set a precedence for men taking thei sons to their first R-rated film.
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I remember it kicking ass...I sometimes think back to the old days of video, back when you didn't know what the hell some movies were about... I remember seeing the Dead Alive box as a kid and wondering what kind of fucked shit that was about, the chick pulling back her cheeks and a skeleton is underneath. And then there was the first Die Hard, with the building exploding and Willis having half a face shot.I just wish this would've been bad ass. I was actually looking forward to this withing 3 months ago, but alas, Hollywood has fucked another thing that was once good.
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I watched Curse of the Wererabbit and couldn't help laughing at the part when the little bunnies start going "Whooo!"... I also liked the Iron Giant, but come on, how can you completely change the tone of a franchise... Just imagine a PG-13 Lethal Weapon.
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the clip keeps on freezing, I can only watch like 4 seconds
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Just finished watching the preview, what's with the gernade disguised as a fire extinguisher? Quite a clever disguise if I do say so myself. McClane knew it was highly explosive because he has a sixth sense for these things.
I'm also curious about the exploding computer or computer attached to the bombs. He said he was powering down his computer, but instead he left it on the "do you want to blow the fuck out of your room?" screen and the Terminator hit enter. Kind of a bad decision to leave it on that screen, very unsafe! Also, I'm assuming the Terminator falling on the computer was meaningful, because he 'terminated' that terrorist dude.
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well is there?
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But is it actuall 6 minutes? I thought Merrick said 10 minutes.
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....unrelated text on the screen? BOOOORRRIIIINNNGGGG!!!!!!!!!
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You do remember that this is a Die Hard flick, right? This isn't Underworld 3. Hold up on the blue filters. Okay? No vampires. No werewolves. Just lots of explosions and fuck-yous and gunfire and fuck-yous and one-liners and fuck-yous and John McClane and from time to time somebody will say,"Oh, FUCK!" or "What the fuck was that!!" or "Did someone just say,'Fuck!'!!". Wise up, Wise-ass. Oh! By-the-way, Windows Media Player. Su-Hucks so Ba-Hadly. It actually studders.
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Don't pay for this shit. It sends the wrong message. If they didn't get it with past attempts to tone down sequels that lost money, it seems they don't get the correlation. MAKE THEM SEE IT. Don't pay for this shit.
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it's pretty obvious the only reason this movie is PG-13 is so the studio could have a nice little tie-in with a fucking fast food restaurant.thanks dicks.
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Jun 19, 2007 10:33:56 PM CDT
In other words, John McClane was the balls
by and nicolas cage as fu manchu
Why do action movies suck so much now? Have I just grown up? There are some occasional good ones (Casino Royale was nice) but for the most part they are just tiring. Where is the nudity? Why do audiences dislike it? I don't get it. I remember awhile ago I was talking to a guy at work about Hostel and he was all complaining about the nudity. "God the first half of the movie was gross, my girlfriend and I were going to walk out, but the rest was great". What the hell is wrong with people? Where is my dancing Playmate popping out of the birthday cake? Where is my three-breasted stripper? Don't even get me started on LOTR. 10+ hours of footage and not one bare chest, male or female, in any of it. Who films 10+ hours of guys fighting monsters with swords and axes... with their shirts on???? I mean WTF??? I don't know, we need to get back to the basics. Blood, guns, breasts, monsters, and artful swearing. I am tired of these watered down PG-13 action pictures that serve as little more than background noise for the endless cacophony of cell phone conversations, text messaging, YouTube-approved MST lines, food munching, remarks about how "fucking high!!!!" people are, and other assorted aspects of your typical teenage social gathering. I want to feel something at the movies again. I want to BELIEVE. I'm losing my faith.
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on the LOST TB :(
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Not, just because she is hot, but I want him to feel how much it hurts to have something you cared about being fucked. Plus, I'd enjoy it.Ad Hominem aside, I really don't like FOX right now, and the only film I'll download of their's now is the Simposons.
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"Hey Carmine, what sets off the metal detectors first...the lead in your HAND or the JUNK in your brains? Fat FREAK..."
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What the fuck ever happen to all this questions he was going to answer... that lasted one fuckin post... maybe he realized his movie was bull shit.
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And tell me he isn't trying to keep himself out of court for breach of contract.And, I still want to know who he thinks would win in a street fight, Arnold or Sly? (albeit when they are both in shape)
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Carl Winslow.
But seriously. I mean, isn't it bad enough that Fox has to hire a fuckin' video game director to helm this film. But then they have to COMPOUND the insult when they aim for a PG-13 rating. What the hell is this? I just got back from seeing FF: ROTSS with a wonderful teenage audience: They talked the entire film and switched seats at whim thus distracting and obstructing my view!
And this is the "audience" the studio is marketing the film to? A bunch of bee-hived teens who probably saw the ad for this abomination during the latest episode of Laguna Beach? Fuck 20th Century Fox. As far as I'm concerned this is sacrilege. I'll be staying in on June 29th. -
I think it was you who said that people who are angry about the PG-13 were not fans of the characters and stories, but of the cursing and killing. Well think of it this way bud. If somebody made a movie about Jesus, E.T. or Superman where they cursed like a sailor (or John McClane) and hung people up from chains saying they were gonna "fuckin cook ya and then I'm gonna fuckin eat ya" like a psycho (or John McClane) it would be, in my opinion, a little out of character. And if I was mad about that you wouldn't say "I thought you were a fan of E.T., but really you were just a fan of his vocabulary and his peaceful nature." The fact is, saying fuck and dying hard is a VERY big part of the character and the stories. JOHN MCCLANE GOTTA BLEED.
I think Fox is gonna end up REALLY regretting this senseless decision. I got my personal guarantee from Bruce, so I'm gonna see the movie and I'm praying to the Lord above that I will like it. But really, during the months I have been excited about this I haven't found that many people who are there with me. I've seen an audience go fuckin nuts for the stupid transforming robots trailer and seen Die Hard greeted with silence. I have had people I didn't think were as hardcore about Die Hard as me say they aren't interested in seeing it because of the PG-13. I have also talked to people who didn't even know there was a new one being made - and the movie comes out in a week. It's just sad, there ought to be so much excitement but it's hard to get your hopes up knowing the limits they put on the thing.
If the movie fails it might be partly because kids don't give a shit about McClane. They only care about Harry Potter and robots that their parents played with, but not the greatest action movie of all time. That may be but it will also be because they told the grownups and the grown up kids who watched the original series to go mister falcon themselves. But they will blame it on piracy or the weather or a lack of patriotism or on the Walter B talkback.
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That's exactly right. Movie companies NEVER take responsibility for the movie's failure. It's never because of the fucking content. It's because the movie is released at the wrong time, or the marketing was off, or there wasn't enough Thomas the Tank Engine. It couldn't be because people want John McClane to a balls-to-the-wall action hero to fuck up everyone who gets in his path.And that's precisely why those of you calling for boycotts WON'T be heard. Because if the movie does poorly, it won't be because of your shitty boycott. They'll come up with some other insane fucking reason why the movie bombed and tell you to fuck yourself and next year they're gonna come out with Daddy Die Hard where John McClane finds out he has an illegitimate child and has to fight off bullies at a school to protect his new kid from teachers and red pens. Because focus groups show that parents LOVE a family man!
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Jun 20, 2007 1:03:08 AM CDT
Also, part of the FUN is the humour in the violence...
by scarranhalfbreed
...and the nervous laughter it garners from the audience. Like when that bloke got cut in two by that cable, or that bloke got shot in the bollocks. It was darkly funny, and I think that's going to be completely removed from this film.
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Seriously as a non-retarded adult you should not be deciding if you see a movie based on some person on a message board, although neither should you be based on studio promises either.
Each to their own choices. I am just of the same school as Vern, I believe the original Die Hard is as close to action movie perfection as Hollywood has ever got. The reasons for that are myriad, and are available in my upcoming book, or for those too cheap, in a still active Vern talkback on a website not a million miles away.
Those varying factors require one thing though, for it not to be given the pre-teen friendly PG-13 rating. It isn't about swearing or violence per-se, it is about being true to the character and the heart, of the original classic.
Vern has his cast-iron guarantee, and needs to see it because his review is probably the most eagerly awaited review this site has seen in years. I however, made a decision that I wouldn't see it. I wasn't going to reward them with my cash. Does it mean anything to the people who make these decisions, these Ellises? No of course not. The film will make money, and they will feel vindicated. It will lead to more of the same kind of decision making, and everyone will bitch, and very few will just vote with their money. That is life.
Something got lost along the way, now well constructed movies are somehow only supposed to be seen in art-house theatres.
Anyway I am rambling... And I am starting to think we are being unfair to the memory of Ellis, he did after all manage to provide hearty entertainment, even if it was inadvertent. More than can be said of the Ellises behind this decision... -
or boycott or whatever. 'cause we'll only get a DIE HARD 5 if this is a success.And blaming Bruce for the PG-13 rating is stupid. Blame it on Tom Rothman (this stupid fuck) or Rupert Murdoch.
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Why the hell would we WANT these fuckers to bring us yet ANOTHER tepid Die Hard film?
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...down here. Yeah, Rupert Murdoch". I just watched "Q: The Winged Serpent" not too long ago, and it seems Murdoch has been getting shit thrown at him for awhile (or it's for the publicity).Just imagine someone telling you they heard something on FOX-News, ten years ago, and not wondering what the hell they where talking about.
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http://tinyurl.com/26pnb7
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I haven't been paying attention to the buzz on this new one. Is it true He can't say "Yippie Ki Yay Mutherfucker?" If that's true then that's just an example of how watered down this sequel will be. I was watching Die Hard 3 on TBS or something and the sign he was wearing in the ghetto said "I hate EVERYONE." I laughed my assssss off. i love how they sensor stuff for TV. Like "Fuck You!" becomes "Forget You!"
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Ya know, in the first DH, there were scenes with McClain talking to a salesman about "making fists with his toes" in carpet, arguing with his separated wife, talking about where to stay in LA...If you had a 6 minute preview of those scenes, you'd be calling the original DH boring, too.
And, do you really only care about the profanity?!? Here... here ya go... "FUCK SHIT FUCK FUCK MOTHER FUCKER GODDAMN SHIT FUCK" There's some profanity. Big fucking deal. How about if we give some attention to the many other things to enjoy in a movie?
You're probably the kind of people who would demand that James Bond have a ridiculous gadget and stupid kiss-off line, and then complain that the movie was crappy because it was wearing out its clichês.
Sheesh... how in the hell do you people consider yourselves true movie fans when you make such broad judgments on a film you haven't seen, based on its rating, its lack of profanity, and a 6 minute clip?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCIU8c1GdNs
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This should have been the badass R-rated movie of the summer for those kinds of people who don't want to watch another superhero/robot/magical film. We just wanted John "muthafuckin'" McClane putting big fucking bloody holes in people and saying fuck, shit, and fuckshit a lot. Instead we're getting the Transporter 3. Atleast we had Hot Fuzz I guess.
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Everything seems to point that way. DHINO.
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Oh my God, you have just summed upped every argument against this movie!Because, John Mc(MaFukin)Clane, was never born in a PG audience, get your' head out of your' ass.I can say that this movie will blow from that 6-minutes simply, b/c of the above named reasons.
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singlehandedly destroyed the output of Fox. Bring back Bill Mechanic. LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD is the direct result of what happens when you put a schmuck in charge of a great studio and a great franchise.
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...but not this one, brother. I won't waste my time seeing Grandpa Willis do a Disney version of Die Hard. If they have an unrated DVD release, I _might_ rent it. Isn't it amazing how a studio can fuck up a franchise so bad that they alienate life-long fans?
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As Bruce said in one of the previous talkbalks this Die Hard is as hardcore as any of the others.If thats true then its increbibly irresponible of the studio to be marketing this film at a younger audience.Die Hard was and to me will always be the ultimate adult action film franchise.Here in the U.K. it is being promoted on Mars,Snickers and various other chocolate bars never thought id see that.The buck has to stop with Bruce Willis though.This film would never have been greenlit without his involvement.He had wether he would admit it or not the power to get this film made and should have ensured we would be getting a proper Die Hard movie.
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cant have balls in a pg-13 movie
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Jun 20, 2007 3:20:48 AM CDT
NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOX HAS HALO!!!!!!!
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
http://gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=117508
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I like to dream in a perfect world that Shane Black would have been offered to write and direct Die Hard 4. Of course there's no competing with Rothman's love for blue tint so he just HAD to hire Wiseman and then for a nice little proverbial kick to the seeds for action filmgeeks everywhere. Fuck it, indeed.
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Advertised on Mars bars and Snickers here in the UK. I thought that was a bit strange when I first saw it and have only just found out the PG-13 which what makes it a 12A here?
So two and two together makes a stupid DH film, what will he say after that bit in the trailer? Might get shot in the face then we won't have to worry about 5 being a PG or a U. -
Jun 20, 2007 3:33:19 AM CDT
FAINT SOFT-the offcial pg-13 name of die hard
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
live free or faint soft
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It looked like a television show, Michael Chiklis doing an episode of 24. In no way, shape, or form did it look like a Die Hard movie.
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I mean, it's a Die Hard. How could I possibly not see a Die Hard? Still, I hope it's a good one. I hope Walter B was not stroking us, and I hope Motoko Kusanagi is on the up and up.Also, I am very much looking forward to Vern's review. That could be one for the ages, I think. Vern and Die Hard is like apple pie and ice cream.
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Why no story about Julie Benz being cast in John Rambo? Did I miss it? It seems to me Hercules would have been all over that one.Where are you, Hercules? Darla is in the new Rambo!
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Yeah i shit you not.Chocolate bars.If we had Twinkies here in sure they would be using them to promote it.http://www.nuts.co.uk/snickersdiehard
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Jun 20, 2007 3:39:20 AM CDT
lets wash out this pg-13 taste with some rambo
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
now thats not pg-13
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I'm with you. Fell in love with Die Hard when I saw it on video and you couldn't believe how happy I was being 12 years old and getting to go see Die Hard 2 with my old man at a movie theater. I'm going to end up seeing this Die Hard but to me it's almost like having your favorite uncle or grandfather and seeing him on his deathbed. You remember how great he was it makes you sad to see him as a shell of what he used to be. There's a chance I'll see a good action movie... but I have nearly no hope of seeing a good Die Hard movie which again, makes me sad.
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A Shane Black Die Hard could have been great. I didn't even think to put the two together, but now you mention it, it makes perfect sense. What a great choice he would have been. I love the first Lethal Weapon, and I think The Last Boy Scout is a much underrated Walter B film.Shit, now I am sad I will not be seeing Shane Black's Die Hard this summer.
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supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell - that is so very true. Although showed the trailer to the old man and he was saying everything was from something else. Now I have to watch Road House? for Swayze(sp?) ripping out a throat.
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That is harsh, sir. I am still reeling from the revelation that I am quadruple gay because I have two iPods. Now, it turns out I am a tool because of my manly hetero love for Die Hard. You have hurt my feelings, phoenixmagi."My soul is crushed, my spirit sore, I do not like me anymore."Check me out! I'm quoting Dorothy Parker in a Die Hard talkback!
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This movie really doesn't have much of a chance to make a dent in the box office. Ratatouille will end up taking a huge chunk of change when it releases a couple of days later. Then it has Transformers the next week followed by Harry Potter's next film? This just makes me even sadder to think that Fox really could have marketed this for adults and put an R-rating on it as a nice alternative but I suppose that would make too much sense.
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I'm seriously gonna miss that line =(
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1) Music had some nice nods to Kamen's classic scores, especially in the hallway scene with the pizz. strings motif. Cool.
2) More violent than I would expect for PG-13
3) Lighting was overdone in that Scott style. Shame. Direction wasn't too bad, but NOTE: FAST CUTTING DOES NOT EQUAL EXCITING. Thank you. Watch Die Hard and Predator to see how it's done when the big boys play.
4) Kid wasn't as horrible as I thought he would be.
5) Overall give it a pass - but only barely. Where was the unrestrained violence of John's past?
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. . . or Die Hard at the box office.
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No tobacco = no coolness
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Bay has no energy!!!
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so thanks for that one, buddy. As Bruce was recently misquoted as saying, "I would rather eat a live baby in front of my grandma than have Michael Bay do DIE HARD." Shit, I would rather have a PG-13 Ron Howard DIE HARD than an NC-17 Michael Bay DIE HARD.
NOT THAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT EITHER. Please Fox you sonofabitches better not be getting any ideas here. Just be nice and stop trying to torment everybody with your crimes against our American culture and heritage. -
I am equally baffled by this notion that 'at least Bay does action well', because I don't get that at all. His action scenes are horrible, uninspired, choppy messes. The only action scene of his I thought was okay was the bit in Bad Boys II that he stole from a Jackie Chan film (Police Story?). Otherwise, shit.I'll tell you what he does well, though: panning shots of people getting out of cars at sunset. Michael Bay OWNS that shot, just like Hitchcock owns the zoomy thing from Vertigo and Spike Lee owns that floaty thing he does in many of his films. If Die Hard was about panning shots of people getting out of cars at sunset, I would agree Bay would be a good choice. But that's not what Die Hard is about, so I will stick with Boondock Devil's inspired suggestion of Shane Black.
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that films are made for entertainment, who cares who is a better director its about the film for its entertainment value. If film makers catered for some of the tards on here (not gonna name) then all film would be steaming piles of unintelligent crap.
Nearly fell into a trap there of naming a director of steaming piles of unintllgent crap *cough* Boll *cough* -
American culture and heritage??
Dude it's a movie, poor or not, just wait 5 years for a reboot with The Rock and bitch about that instead. -
That's all
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BUQcLzDw58&NR=1
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Jun 20, 2007 6:01:49 AM CDT
What he said to Entertainment weekly in 95' about DH3..
by whataboutbob25
"I will go on record as saying I think it's at least as good as the first film, and some of it's even better"
Just like he said about the second one. -
quality
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FUCK YOU PINKO BITCH
And DH4 has a tie-up with CASIO watches? Eh?
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You have inspired me to run on to a football pitch tonight and stop play."Can't you see this is all about entertainment?" I will say to the players of both teams. "Who cares whether one of you kicks the ball into the other team's goal?"I am imagining that will go down really well...
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Jun 20, 2007 6:09:18 AM CDT
''Unfortunately, Mr. Takagi will not be joining us for
by whataboutbob25
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"He's older. He bounces off the concrete with a little less zing. He's like a tennis ball that you've had for too long. But he's still got that same South Jersey attitude. I think the world of technology has kind of passed him by — that was what got me to say yes to this film, the story of an analog cop in a digital world. I thought that would be an interesting arena to put John McClane into and see what he can do with it."
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Willis said of the new movie: "We always envisioned Die Hard 4.0 as a straight-ahead action ride that was true to the tone and character of the original but updated for today. I can tell you we've more than met that goal.
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you have clearly taken that the wrong way or just plain don't understand it.
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Jun 20, 2007 6:37:12 AM CDT
The movie rocked and this PG-13 discussion is getting
by motoko kusanagi
tiresome. Believe me, the movie is quite cool. Not as good as the first one but definitely better than the third.It's true that McClane doesn't use "fuck" but instead we hear "ass", "jerkoff" and "shit" a lot of times, and that's working quite well.And as I said before: the Yippie-Ki-Yay Mofo line is in there, too. Completely. (The mofo part is a bit dubbed over by a gunshot).So stop whining about the rating. It wasn't Bruce's fault, it was just a stupid annoying decision by the Fox blockheads.
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A sarcastic one. An, if you will, sarcalogy.Quite why people post messages along the lines of "Come on, guys, why argue about who's the better director?" in a film-related discussion board is utterly beyond my comprehension. It blows my mind, just like it would no doubt blow the minds of the footballers if I ran onto the field and tried to make them see that kicking a ball into a net is a waste of time.To make the analogy complete, I would then steal the ball away from the players and kick it into the goal myself, much like you chastised the talkback for complaining about directors and then threw in a dig at Uwe Boll.Sorry about that, Street. Uwe Boll is shit, though. I agree with you there.
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ass? shit?
were you dropped as a child
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and I was slighlty joking about Boll.
I apologize for my sillyness. -
...at night, in confined areas, and with as few peripheral characters around as possible. This is what worked well for DH and DH2. It changed with DHWaV, and now apparently this one, where the stage is an entire city and then some, and everyone on the street is involved or at risk. That's just too much. Please, make the next one take place on Halloween, just to throw in another arbitrary holiday. "Come on over, we'll carve some pumpkins, pass out candy, make carmel apples, watch a horror movie. But NOOO I get to climb through another ventilation shaft."
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MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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the movie and you, whataboutbob25, have not.Stupid kid.
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you practically described Hostage, or what I remember of it. Did I make up my own version of that film in my head?
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John McClane was saved by the Terminator doll that fell on the delete key at the right moment.
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First of all, let me say that I am pretty flattered. I've been reading AICN talkbacks for years now, but I just registered a screen name, and the first message I write gets the attention of one of the sites reviewers!!! (Even though you got my name wrong - Its Metlar, not Metallo.) Guess I was either pretty insightful, or a really big jerkoff.... Anyway, I agree with you and the point you make 100%. If you go back and read all of my posts, I actually state that the PG13 does indeed have me concerned. I'm actually just hating on all of the haters in here, who want to pass judgement on something they HAVENT SEEN - JUST LIKE ALL OF THE DAMN POLITICIANS WHO WOULD CENSOR THE SHIT OUT OF OUR ENTERTAIMENT INDUSTRY IF GIVEN THEIR WAY!!!!!!!! Yes, I think any fan of DIE HARD who is willing to not even give this movie a chance is not a real fan. I am bracing myself for dissapointment, but I am going to reserve judgment for after I see the movie. Perhaps the writing will be creative, and give some sort of reason why John is toned down that will make it OK or tolerable... Who knows? (Perhaps they will address this in a comical way - like have him trying to change for his kid or his dead grandma by not being so violent and profane - who knows how they'll spin it? The fact that John Connor told Arnie not to kill anyone in T2 kind of made his lack of ultra violence tolerable.)
And of course the biggest laugh of all of it are the folks who think they're going to take down FOX by getting together with 4 of their friends and not seeing the movie. Summary - If you are a real fan, go see the movie. If it suck (like it very well may) then let 'er rip...Tear it apart, I'll join you. But until then, give poor Bruce the benefit of the doubt.
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dude.do you have Tourettes or something?
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On reflection, and after having a pint and a delicious pie at lunch time, I feel I was unduly harsh in my post about your post, Street. Bad morning at work = unnecessarily sarcastic comments. Sorry about that, buddy. We are all Ain't It Cool friends here, so let us continue the banter about Die Hard with no more ill will.For the record, I don't much care about the rating for this new John McClane adventure. If it's good, I will be happy, whether he says motherfucker or not. I will see this film no matter what (because I am a tool, apparently), but I'm more concerned about this Underworld guy than I am the rating.
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I think the school would frown upon it. I think they would frown upon the excessive amount of swearing on here.
I mysel am no too fussed about the rating but I don't know how a PG-13 translates here. 12A or 15? either way it will bring a whole new genration to the good ol' MF line. Which means for months to come kids will be screaming it everywhere thinking they are "boss". -
yeah, i have tourettes like that chef in larry david. fuck, cunt, balls, motherfucker, shit, cocksucker, cunt. ha. good adult entertainment.
I hope when willis is in the UK tonight for the premiere he gets linched or beaten the fuck out of for talking so much shit.
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I have seen nothing from the trailers or this that has me thinking this will be any different than any of the dozens of "action" films that have made their way to the screen over the last decade. In other words, it will fail to match up to ANY of the previous Die Hards, let alone the first one, and will be quickly forgotten. When McClane says he's going to kill them all, he better damn well kill them all in brutal action, tooth for tooth. None of these off-screen deaths. We want McClane to work for it.
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better then the third film. 3 rocked!
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great if i remember correctly
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Is about as effective as Martin Riggs with short hair. I miss McLaine's feathery down standing straight up!
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FUCKING CUNTS
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Hint to studios, don't advertise that you know the movie IS ABSOLUTELY GREAT because you've already seen it. It marks you as an insider, asshats.
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or dumbass, dumbass, dumbass. You basically just said i am going to see this even thought it looks bad because it's got the die hard name. I am going to give these MORONS my $10 opening weekend so they can continue to make watered down versions of movies. You are exactly the kind of morons they made this movie for. So idiots like u can see this in the theater and give it box office so the studio exec can say " see i told u if we just put the die hard name on it they'll see it." If you're a die hard fan and must see it then why not rent it when it comes out on dvd but don't give it box office money becuz thats how they make bad sequals like this.
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I'll see it on cable. But a few of my friends will at least be paying for LForDH tix when they indulge their transformer curiousities in July. Seems few peopel I know will justify paying $11 for that Bay crapfest of "mass audience pandering."
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so is that Megatron design. Walter B for Walter Mitty.
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one way to save the film would be to have john hodgman play movie's the villain.
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in the face. But it's Die Hard, and I like geek movies. I'm so there, it's retarded
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It says something about being removed b/c of 20th Century Fox copyright claim. I think maybe cyber-terrorists hacked the system and removed it.
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because I wouldn't pay, but since I'm seeing it for free, I'll go and then I can really judge it and bash it and no one can say anything! hahahahhahhahahhaha
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Can I be your very special friend?
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Sorry, but after watching the Bride slaughter 88 sword-wielding maniacs, most new action movies lack that zing that makes them interesting. Tarentino is hit or miss for me, but Kill Bill is a definite hit.
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http://tinyurl.com/2gnsqb
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Sorry, the 'b' got cut off above.
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Or this one.
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Hi there !!!! I'm new in town... I'm from Argentina, and I saw the 4th part of Die Hard... And it was greattttt!!!!! And I think than this is much better!!!!
Chau!!!
Lau
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