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Massawyrm Spends An Hour And A Half In Room 1408!!


Hola all. Massawyrm here. Okay, this is going to be a quick one. Not because I’m particularly short on time, but rather because there’s not a whole hell of a lot to say. 1408 has the slightest gossamer framework of a plot, is extremely sparse on character interaction, and I could actually pretty much sum up every major plot element in one hundred words or less. It is not, even in its wildest dreams, anything resembling a complicated film. Room 1408 is said to be haunted. Skeptic goes into room 1408. Shit happens. Oh, yeah, and there’s a prolonged scene of Sam Jackson calmly telling our batshit crazy whiteboy skeptic about a hundred different reasons why he shouldn’t go in there. And yet, despite its simplicity, 1408 is the scariest fucking movie I’ve seen in years. Not disturbing. Not deranged. Not bloody or over the top. Scary. Fucking Scary. Let’s face it. When it comes to horror, I am one jaded motherfucker. The Ring was the last real movie that creeped me out so badly that I suffered a nightmare immediately after. The concept just messed with me. And while I’ve seen a number of creepy films since then, nothing made me curl up in my chair, jump in my seat and feel genuinely scared like a little bitch in grade school like this did. No, this film is nowhere near perfect. There’s a pair of questionable sequences, one of which tears any rational person right out of the movie and forces you figure out and ultimately await the inevitable. No, bullshit. They aren’t gonna end it like this. If they end it like this I will be so fuc…Oh, right on. Then the movie resumes and everything gets back on track. But what the movie has in spades is mood. Everything is creepy. So creepy that when some of the ghostly occurrences turn out to be clichéd and overdone - even if you count Stephen King works alone - you still forgive it as you’re too on edge of your seat to laugh about it. Besides, there're so many original set pieces, backed up by a genuinely haunting backstory, that these moments feel very much like they belong within the history of this cursed room. And John Cusack gives such a performance that you don’t mind at all that he actually spends almost a full hour just talking to himself and no one else. He sells the entire experience and never sounds silly or needlessly rambling. And dear Morgan Freeman, who would have thought that the Carpenter’s We’ve Only Just Begun could chill you to the very bone (and not in a pop culture shiver kind of way?) No, if you’re the type of person who gets excited and wants to buy your ticket the moment you hear someone found it SCARY, then odds are you’re not going to be disappointed. You won’t think it’s perfect and I doubt it will make anyones top 10 list. But you’ll get creeped out. You’ll jump. You might even cover your eyes. And you’ll have a hell of a lot of fun. I sure did. And I can’t wait to take my wife so I can see it again this weekend. This one comes Highly Recommended for anyone who enjoys the thrill of a truly well constructed piece of moody horror - or just likes to be scared. Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em. Massawyrm
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  • June 19, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    The Mist

    by Kloipy

    Is going to go down in history as the best Stephen King adaptation of all time.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Cool. High hopes for this.

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    I like scares, so this will be right up my Elm Street.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Looks great

    by MJAYACE

    Hopefully a bit Shining esque. PoP Quiz hotshot: What was the scariest shot in The Shining? It wasn't Jack, It wasn't the little girls or the naked lady. It was the pan when Olive Oil is walking around freaked out and she looks down the hall and sees the Butler guyand some dude in a Rat suit in a room (while the creepy music was playing). WTF was that? That scene still gives me the chill to this day even though I have no clue what it was about. Hopefully, get more of the same from 1408. Looks great.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    John Cusack

    by el-guappo

    John Cusack is teh man. Any actor with "sack" in his name who can be taken seriously is ok in my book.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Eighth=the new first

    by snomusic

    Cusack and Jackson already sold it for me but I'm glad ta hear it's creepy as heck

  • June 19, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Mood is always better

    by Samson_K

    Give me the Wiseman Haunting with no special effects anytime. I hope this is good because I love a good haunted house film (I know it's a room) but what with modern haunted houses being populated by paintings of Wolverine that come alive, ghostly carvings, enormous CGI things and little goth children.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    ^^ ^^

    by C00L DUD3

    WHY DO I YELL IN ALL MY MOVIES!!!?!

  • June 19, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Kubrick's Shining sucks

    by OptimusCrime

    Stephen King himself was outraged by the raping that Kubrick handed to his scariest story. I'm sure this will be far superior.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    The Ring was BORING

    by ledbetter51

    I kept waiting for that movie to scare me... never happened. And I'm not saying that in the "oh, look how tough I am" way, it just didn't do anything for me. I was moderately creeped out by the Cousin It girl, but that's about it. That said, I'm really looking forward to this one.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    The Carpenters ARE Creepy...

    by Abin Sur

    ...and I'm not talking about Karen's svelte frame. They used that same song in John Carpenter's "In the Mouth of Madness" when Sam Neill's character is locked in the asylum...back then I thought that was inspired creepiness the way it was incorporated. Definitely looking forward to 1408.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Kubrick's Shining doesn't suck

    by ledbetter51

    Okay, maybe it sucks as an adaptation, but that's one creepy fucking movie.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    John Cusak is the reason I'm gonna watch this

    by lost.rules

    He seems perfect for the role.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Mjayace

    by Kloipy

    that scene is creepy, but I think a couple of parts are worser. Like when wendy is reading his book. Just the look of realization on her face that he's been sitting there writing the same thing over and over again is fucking scary. And the slow pull in on Jack's face when you can see that the madness has taken him over. I will be going to see 1408 as soon as I can, I'm so happy that they aren't fucking up his work and that people are actually trying to do it well. I've been a fan of SK since I was in 3rd grade when I picked up a tattered copy of Cujo from a yard sale. He's always been my favorite author. I hope that the Dark Tower never gets made into a movie. They will fuck it up. It's better in my head than in front of my eyes. I also want them to drop the Talisman

  • June 19, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    No way does The Shining suck

    by MJAYACE

    As an adaptation the TV movie Shining may have been more true to the source but sucked way worse. The Kubrick version was by far creepier. Anyone remember the scene I referenced? Do you agree?

  • June 19, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Thanks Kloipy

    by MJAYACE

    Agree the typing scene was psychologically scary. The rat suit scene creeped me out because I still don't get WTF it was about. Watching it a 3AM when I was like 11 didn't help either!

  • June 19, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    I still have a hard time with King's horror films...

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    Must of them suck the sweat from a deadman's balls....with a couple exceptions (sometime's they come back, the shining, and misery) but most of the time they are shite..and we all know it...and people who claim the "It" miniseries years back was scary have never read the book...but I do love me some Cusack...he can only make a film better...Sam Jackson on the other hand has fallen off his game in 8-9 of his last 10 films..sad really...If you really want to see something that will fuck with your head watch "The Signal"...amazing

  • June 19, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    i hope it doesnt end like the short story ...

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    pretty lame stuff..........

  • June 19, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Shining

    by OptimusCrime

    it has its creep-out moments, granted, but the story is about a man going insane under the influence of a haunted hotel. That perspective is totally lost due to Kubrick's direction and in no small part to Nicholson's performance. He's seems crazy from the start and that robs the story of a lot of its interest.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Nice to see some actual ATMOSPHERE in a horror movie...

    by Osmosis Jones

    ...instead of this gross-out torture porn bullshit. Color me intrigued.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Uhh Optimus....

    by MJAYACE

    That's exactly what I thought the film was about.... "but the story is about a man going insane under the influence of a haunted hotel."

  • June 19, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    In The Mouth Of Madness

    by Randall Flagg

    ITMOM used We've Only Just Begun in a very creepy way, even though its intent was humorous. Imagine the whole criminally insane ward of anh asylum singing along as John Glover puts it on the speakers. Spooked me right the fuck out.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Miniseries version of the Shining

    by Kloipy

    I thought it was ok for a tv movie, but still doesn't compare. I would have loved is Kubrick would have stayed closer to the book. But Kubrick was the perfect director for that movie, it was so slow and drawn out that it made you feel the lonesome hotel. It was a spiral that got crazy over it's running time. The tv version had to put up with censors and not the greatest actors. But it had big shoes to fill.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    The Shining

    by Samson_K

    I love it but the biggest problem are the leads - Jack is just fucking nuts from the very beginning. He looks insane at the interview. When he starts swinging the axe it's not a surprise. It's not a nuanced performance - King tried to persuade Kubrick to go for Jon Voight or Michael Moriarty and unfortunately Shelley Duvall - she just irritates the hell out of me! Apart from that creepy stuff - I love all the referenced 20's stuff - the music, the fancy dress ball, his picture at the end and of course Philip 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom' Stone as Grady - 'No sir, YOU are the caretaker. You've always been the caretaker. I ought to know, I've always been here.' And for UK viewers it's nice to see the Grady twins back on our screens in Big Brother 7

  • June 19, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    MJAYACE

    by OptimusCrime

    I didn't mean to imply that you don't appreciate what the movie is about, just that the execution of the story in that movie leaves a lot to be desired and doesn't conform well to the written version. You admitted it wasn't a great adaptation, so we basically agree. I just didn't like it and you did. By the way, the TV version did the corpse in tub scene a lot better.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    The Shining

    by Bloo

    it's tough, as a film geek, I love Kubrick's version for it's mood, it's creepiness, it's atmoshpere. The previously mentioned scense, (rat suit dude and book scene) do indeed give me the creeps. As an actor, I find the Nicholson is all over the place, from the beginning you see "crazy Jack eyes" and you know he's going crazy. I'm not saying Steven Weber did a better job, from what I remember of the book jack Torrence should be viewed as a threat but not crazy, here was a guy who beat, threatned, I don't remember, something to get kicked out of his teaching gig, and didn't he do something to danny as well? So jack shouldn't be played tame but Nicholson man was over the top, and I found Shelly Duvall's performance to be just as over the top, normally she is a fine actress, but here she was just off key too. From a Adaptation standpoint the TV movie is better, but stil has it's issues, Weber's performance is a little cloer but as I mentioned not perfect, and what in the world is up with Danny's imaginary friend/guide/etc being him from the future, was that in the original book or some King revisionism?

  • June 19, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Okay

    by MJAYACE

    No problems. I actually liked Shelley Duvall's performance in the movie. For an actress who really doesn't have the looks to do much other than Olive Oil I though she did a good job. Great story--my parents actually went to that hotel pictured in the movie for their honeymoon--long before the movie came out. They said the inside looked way different than the Shining. That must have been studio created for the movie.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    One more thing

    by OptimusCrime

    I just opened my talkback account, but I've been reading these things for awhile. Shouldn't I be calling MJAYACE a faggot and wondering if he lives in his mom's basement or whether he's ever had sex? (no offense MJAYACE).

  • June 19, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    Looks great cant wait :)

    by giger167

    Movie looks very interesting and by god we are long overdue another good Stephen King adaption, well maybe two since The Mist looks very promising as well. I never thought I'd have to defend Kubricks The Shining on this forum by the way, but people, the movie is a stone cold classic in every sense of the word, the man and the movie were pure genius. Anyways, look forward to be scared, been a while since that happened :)

  • June 19, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Let down

    by Kloipy

    Mick Garris should have stopped with The Stand. I loved Desperation (the book) and was so excited to hear about it being made into a movie. At first it was supposed to play in the theater, then they switched it to TV. The book was not written for the tv. And it was just a huge letdown. Esp. the ending with Tak, that part in the book was scary as hell, and in the movie, it was like did I accidently switch over to the Sci-Fi channel?

  • June 19, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Discussion Question

    by ledbetter51

    Since we're already talking about other horror flicks, I've been wondering about something. I'm one of about 13 people who really liked Silent Hill. I just thought the atmosphere and the creatures were creepy as shit. Yes it gets a little talky at the end, but that doesn't really bother me. Besides, it's not just a person staring at the camera talking, there's movin' pictures illustrating the backstory. Anyhoo, I hear a lot of hate toward the movie, and I thought maybe someone here could explain why exactly. Discuss.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Shelley Duvall

    by lionbiu

    she really hurt the movie for me...her performence was the weakest and she just got real irritating and pathetic. I also agree that Jack Nicholson was playing Jack Nicholson...he hardly was sane in the beginning of the movie whihc really killed the whole build up of insanity. But it's still a very fine film.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Good...I Was Getting Worried

    by Deandome

    A horror movie that hadn't gotten a pussy-fart's worth of ink (pixels?) @ AICN...a place where indie flicks get reviewed 8 mos. before they open? I thought fershur that meant a steaming turd was a'near (and another nail in the disappearing career/credibility of John "Must Fuck Dogs" Cusack). Nice to hear otherwise. It will probby do modest business, but I'm not exactly sure why..but I'm glad to hear it doesn' suck balls.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    MJAYACE

    by cyanide christ

    If the scene you are referring to is the one where it looks like there is some oral action going on, then that was a nod to those characters in the book. They were in a bi-sexual relationship.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Silent Hill

    by OptimusCrime

    I agree, that was a good movie. I can't explain it...bad acting, bad writing, and a sub-par story came together somehow to make a very watchable movie...

  • June 19, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    silent hill

    by lionbiu

    visually brilliant.......everything else was a mess. Terrible script, crappy acting (except for Rhada) and sloppy editing. 1408 looks pretty good and is currently 100% on Rotten Tomatoes with 10 reviews...so its obviously impressing people. It's nice to have a good horror movie every now and again. Take that Eli 'I cant fucking direct a movie to save my life' Roth, go whine on myspace some more (only 14 year old girls do that!!)

  • June 19, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Optimus

    by MJAYACE

    Own my own home, had plenty of sex and kids over years, and definately not an (male)ass man! Its not a prerequisite to be a dick on the boards. Many like to let out their pent up agressions though. I have had a few healthy arguments with some loony lurkers (like Anchorite, Kwizatchs and others over the years) but in the end its all good as long as you have thick skin.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    ledbetter51

    by giger167

    Actually make that 14 people cos I loved Silent Hill as well. I love horror films and still regularly go and see them on the big screen, but at the moment we are stuck in a rut with films invariably going for the cheap scare rather any attempt to build atmosphere. The main thing I loved about Silent Hill was the great atmosphere of dread all the way through it, and although it was flawed kudos for attempting something different with a sadly stale genre. Sad thing is dont think todays movie goers would really want a return to the subtle horrors of films like the Innocents ot the original Haunting, but what goes round come round lol. By the way, caught the Changeling on cable the other night, creepy film way underrated :)

  • June 19, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    I have been enlightened

    by MJAYACE

    Thanks cyanide! I always thought something f-ed up was going on but I have never had a chance to read the book. Thanks.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    the only thing scary about The Ring

    by lost.rules

    was when they cut to the dead girl in the closet. That was freaky. The rest of it was blah,blah,blah, you shouldn't have helped her, don't make copies. Pirating movies is wrong is what I got from that movie. Stupid(Lost Rules)Hollywood(Lost Rules) with(Lost Rules) their(Lost Rules) subliminal(Lost Rules) messages. Hope this movie is better.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    ledbetter15

    by Kloipy

    I hated the Silent Hill movie. The acting was awful. The cgi in parts was terrible (ie the burning babies). It had potential to be a scary as hell movie, but it just drops the ball on every account. The idea for it should be a good enough starting point to create mood, but it was just like, yep this lady walks around, a bunch of crappy special effects happen, oh look here's some more awful talking (you know the kind that no real person ever talks like). If they focused more on the plot and setting and dialoug it could have been much better. Just because a lot is jumping around on the scene doesn't make it scary. Look at Hannibal Lecter, all he had to do was stand up straight and talk. It's all about story and setting. Without that it's just a bunch of digital effects bouncing out of closets and ripping fake flesh away from cartoons of actors. I personally hate what CGI has done to horror. It's a sloppy excuse to not put actual craftmanship into a movie. Look at the work Tom Savini has done, it will hold up forever, practical effects are the best way to go in horror.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    The Ring is the best horror movie from the past 5 years

    by Trazadone

    To call it "boring" is to say, "I need things jumping out at me every second." The Ring is laden with dread and when that chick first popped out of the TV set I almost lost it.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Kloipy

    by giger167

    !00 per cent agree with you regarding practical effects. Whilst I liked Silent Hill for the above reason in my last post, in the Docs with the film, all the effects were done on set and they were creepy as fuck, then they covered them with cgi which didn't add anything to them at all, they should have just held firm and gone with the (way superior) practical effects they shot. Cgi has it's place obviously, but nothing will ever surpass the work of Savini, Smith, and Bottin, and giger (original alien and aliens practical effects) oops and Baker (american werewolf in london)

  • June 19, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    hope you're right- the ads seem to give away the plot

    by Jugdish

    If I go and see that the best parts were revealed in the trailers...I'll be pissed

  • June 19, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Reminds me of EVIL DEAD 2

    by TORTURE PWN

    Guy trapped in a room,crazy shit ensues.All it needs is laughing lamps,a mounted deer head and Bruce chasing his hand around.Does NOT sound scary in the slightest.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    If The Ring gave you nighmares...

    by Bass Bastardson

    You are a fucking pussy. The Ring was SLIGHTLY CREEPY AT BEST.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Kloipy

    by ledbetter51

    I disagree with you on the effects. First, most of them were practical with a little (usually not much) CG "enhancement." The big exception being the chains stuff at the end. When I watch it the effects never pull me out of the movie. Yes some of the acting kind of sucks (Sean Bean, the cop lady), but I thought the people in the key roles were pretty good. But then, I liked The Grudge too, so what the hell do I know, right?

  • June 19, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Giger

    by Kloipy

    I didn't know that about the film. I agree with you about seeing something different on screen then the usual cookie cutter slasher film. I love gore flicks, but the ones that scare me are the moody, story driven horror. Today's mainstream audience loves their movies to be jammed with as much possible movement on the screen as their eyes can handle. It's sad, really. People can't just be taken in by a story anymore. If it doesn't have at least 10 explosions in the first 5 minutes then most of them lose interest

  • June 19, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Kubrick was RIGHT to throw King's 3rd act stuff out

    by half vader

    You seem to have changed your tune and backed off a bit Optimus - from the 'raping' thing. Their big argument was about the third act and stuff like the topiary animals, which is exactly why Kubrick's Shining is the perfect example of why film and books are and should be two different things. <p> Also, the TV version proves it. I've said this before but Kubrick's maze metaphor is entirely appropriate (not being so clichéd at the time) and works for FILM infinitely better than the topiary stuff, which in the book works brilliantly. It's laughable in a visual medium though precisely BECAUSE King utilises the strengths of literature in having an instantly subjective viewpoint through the act of reading where you see through the characters eyes. Also, the idea of playing on peripheral vision ("Did I just see it move?") and the abstraction of knowing it's happening rather than seeing it makes it incredibly effective. FOR A BOOK. In a film, we vaccilate between 1st and 3rd person points of view. How do you show the same thing? Person looks creeped out. Whirls around. Cut to subjective p.o.v. of tree just standing there, shaped like an animal. Ooooh. That's SCARY! See what I mean? It's ridiculous. <p> I understand your beef about the baggage Nicolson brought with him, but that's not what you were initially saying. My personal view of it was that I thought it used that pretty well for the film as you could believe he'd succumb as he looked vulnerable to that sort of thing in the first place. Therefore you were tense the whole time waiting for him to snap. Anyway that's just MHO on the Nicolson thing. <p> Getting back to the Kubrick vs. King thing, my opinion is that they were both right for their own mediums. Kubrick sure could have been a bit more diplomatic about it though.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Stephen King homage

    by Fourthwall

    Anyone who has heard Stephen King do his own reading of 1408 should apprciate the following Youtube homage and book it promotes. http://tinyurl.com/32jdkf

  • June 19, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    ledbetter15

    by Kloipy

    dude, you don't have to apologize for being scared by something that other people weren't. each of us are different and sometimes just the idea of something can draw you in and scare the shit out of you. I'm not saying that the movie was without it's moments (the janitor, fucked up), but don't be ashamed for what scared you. Unless it's like I know what you did last summer, and then I might have to bash on you a bit. J/k.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Oh and P.S. back on topic

    by half vader

    I'm looking forward to this. Cusack is usually great and I wanna see something genuinely SCARY again. Last time that happened for me was the shot of the werewolf entering frame at the bottom of the escalator in American Werewolf, and that fucking clown under the bed in Poltergeist. - Shudder!-

  • June 19, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    i thought cars was scary

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    freaked me the fuck out

  • June 19, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    crispin glover = run for your life ...and your mind!

    by ludmir88

    the wizard of gore!!!!!!!!!!! oh and he will apologize this time after the screening. Thank you:)

  • June 19, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Ive never read this book

    by tehgreekhammer

    but from the trailer alone (and being a pretty big Stephen King fan) I am so psyched to see this movie! Unfortunately it opens on the weekend that Im getting married and the Fiancee isnt too keen on going to the flicks in her Bridezilla state. <p> Hopefully this movie scares the living crap out of people and Kings name can reclaim some of his past glory. <p> Im just wondering though at any point during this film do any penises get cut off? Because thats true horror.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    last movie that creeped me out

    by Kloipy

    was Audition, saw it a couple years ago at like 1 in the morning when I had just got home from the hospital and couldn't sleep. That movie is a perfect example of mood and setting. It's so methodical with toying with your mind, that when you think you understand it, it kicks you in the balls and laughs at your pain. While most horror is easily forgotten with just splatters of blood in it's wake, a movie that creeps into your brain and messes you up is what horror should be all about. Something that just makes you question your sanity because it has taken you over for it's running time and then still haunts you after.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Its a short story not a book

    by Lovecraftfan

    in case you were looking for it

  • June 19, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Giger... Giger did not do the effects work on Alien

    by Frijole

    Only the character design. Big difference.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Scariest movie since the Ring?

    by Dangerousapple

    Please, that movie put me to sleep. The videotape from the Ring was supposed to be scary as hell, but really isn't. Oooooh, a ladder against a wall... (although the 'music' during the tape is pretty creepy, and the jumpscare with the dead girl in the closet is pretty good - but that's it.) Want to be really scared out of your mind? Watch 'the Descent' - that film is the scariest shit since the original Alien.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

    by DonkeyTron

    This movie is scary for about the first 30 minutes and then quickly rides the ridiculous F/X laden turd plopped out by so many other PG-13 ghost stories we've seen in the last 10 years down the toilet. The 'spirits' of the room look like Kelly Caufield's film noir character from 'In Living Color' and water pouring out of a painting is NOT FUCKING SCARY! This movie would have made a great half-hour episode of 'Twilight Zone' or 'Night Gallery' but at it's current length only compounds the idiocy as the minutes tick away. Avoid! Avoid! Avoid!

  • June 19, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Half Vader

    by OptimusCrime

    Perhaps I did overstate my position by using the "rape" thing, but nevertheless I think a certain amount of reverence for source is imperative when adapting a story like this. Kubrick lacked that, and when a film maker tries to take a book and make it COMPLETELY his own he does a disservice to both the author and the audience. If that is the objective then he should just film an original screenplay and leave the story as it was written.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    For about 15 minutes at the start of Silent Hill

    by half vader

    I thought we were going to get some great DAVID LYNCH type creepiness, with the blacking out and the noise and all. Then it all went wrong (aside from running the gauntlet of nurses - was that in the game?). IMHO.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    It was a dog, not rat, costume.

    by Nice Marmot

    And yes, it says in the book, plain as day, that the guy was blowing the other. They had crept away from a costume party. Love how it was thrown into the movie with no explanation. That shot is a good one.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Frijole

    by giger167

    Yes but he sculpted the designs for the first film so obviously his design was the most important element, you are however correct and I should have mentioned stan winston in that list as well as he has been just as influential as the others in practical effects and his work on aliens taking the giger designs even further was just as important :)

  • June 19, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    yeah the.....

    by lionbiu

    nurses were in the game...everything right about the Silent Hill movie was from the game but what they missed out was the feeling of isolation, the subtext of purgatory and that Silent Hill was really ones on hell that you could escape if you learnt your lesson...every creature had a hidden meaning too. The Ring was creepy but never scarred me. The Descent was scary until the stupid fucking monsters appeared...than it went downhill....I thought the scariest scene in that movie was when one of the girls got trapped in the small cave tunnel, that freaked me out.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    wallpaper for mjayace

    by VaderSabre

    http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/explodingkinetoscope/shining35.jpg

  • June 19, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    crap in a bucket

    by VaderSabre

    sorry mjayace -- it was a pic of the fellatio dog n' guy in tails to freak you out a bit more

  • June 19, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    The issue with Kubrick's Shining...

    by Frijole

    is not that he changed things like the the topiary. Or even that Jack already seems a bit off from the start. It's that it misses the whole point of his descent into madness. It isn't just the isolation. It isn't just the alcoholism. It isn't just the ghosts. It isn't just his inability to let go of his conflicts with his own father. It is ALL of that. But more than anything it his growing, completely batshit OBSESSION with the Overlook Hotel's past. An obsession bred and fed by the endless supply of newspaper clippings, diaries and whatnot that he finds and pores over endlessly while caring for the hotel's boiler (incidentally, caring for the boiler was the whole reason the Overlook needed someone to stay there over the winter to begin with- another basically ommited element). The fact that this CRUICIAL element of the story and Jack's falling into the cuckoo's nest was completely ignored (and the other elements barely given cursory mention) is what King's (and many fans) beef revolves around. It's still a brilliant movie, but NOT a brilliant adaptation.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I'll Give It a Try

    by kilik777

    While the ring wasnt scary per se it did have a great eerie mood that brooded over the whole movie. The last movie that gave me any type of chills was the std(straight to dvd) movie First Born starring Elisabeth Shue. Excellent underrated movie. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do

  • June 19, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Right on...

    by Frijole

    I just don't see the concept art/ character design/maquettes in the same category as the molding of the prosthetics, building of the appliances, execution of the suits etc... Equally important to be sure. But a different type of contribution altogether. On topic, I was VERY interested in this movie. The first trailer was amazing. Then the TV spots started and I slowly began to lose interest. Now, I'm officially very stoked again.

  • June 19, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Head-floppin' action

    by Zarles

    I got wrangled into seeing The Ring when it came out, and when the head flop happened, I leaned over to my friends and said, 'I think I've seen enough' and then left. I never see these kinds of movies, (they ALL creep me out, no matter how tame/stupid other people might think they are) but man, did I pick one to see in The Ring. Jesus.<p>I hope it does well, though. Big SK fan from about fifth grade until now.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    The Ring was creepy as fuck...

    by MetaFreePhorAll

    If you don't jump at a single thing in that movie - then you are completely desensitized to, like, everything. Some movies that freaked me the shit out: Poltergeist, The Exorcist, The Shining. Looking forward to 1408, but I'm not expecting too too much - even after reading the review.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Fair enough Optimus but...

    by half vader

    Can you not conceed my point about scary shrubbery? I respectfully disagree about the leaving the story as written when it doesn't work properly for the medium. Surely adapting it without making it work for film would be just as big a disservice because it would show the book in a bad light. How many godawful adaptations of plays have there been?! My belief is that you should honour the tone or feel of the book, but not word for sycophantic word. Look at the very first Harry Potter film, with its narrative dead-ends and dependance on prior knowledge. That thing's atrocious, and the only important difference between it and the book is that lazy audiences now didn't have to use their own imaginations. It was an ad, not a film. <p> Frijole I must admit I got about the boiler, and I guess I'd say that given the tonal choice and things like colour palate where the film symbolically gets colder except for the delusions and warning colours, I guess Kubrick decided it was appropriate to go that way. I also think the "all work and no play" and the ball was a cinematically efficient and scary alternative to the clippings (great the way that's used effectively at the end) and diaries and so-on. Yes absolutely you've got a point about brilliant adaptations but that's in the literal (geddit? ha ha!) sense and it's a brilliant MOVIE which is my point. Fair enough? <p> Lionbiu - thanks for the info, and right on with the descent. I fucking hated the movie, but loved that one scene near the start with the claustrophobia. People are insane though when they say it's well written. Those are some of the worst-written unintentionally misogynistic female characters in decades with the same old typically conceited plot points. What a dissapointment! And people are blaming CG (the filmmaking TOOL) for what's happened to horror? Whatever. <p> Girl in the closet - Rick Baker just fucking rules. Or at least that Japanese guy (can't remember his name) that I'm pretty sure sculpted that stuff. Did anyone see the sculpture (it's about thrice life-size) he did of Dick Smith? Incredible. Aparently Smith cried he liked it so much.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    That House on Haunted Hill remake...

    by MetaFreePhorAll

    ...scared the shit outta me too. And the whole time, I knew it was a terrible movie (well before Ghost-Kattan saved the day...), but it still scared me. It was, like, one of the first films to use the whole herky-jerky movement trick, and that big monster-thing-dude reminded me of that Chris Cunningham Aphex Twin video for "Come to Daddy"...or whatever one had the big grey dude with the huge mouth yelling at the poor old lady. But yeah, looking forward to this, and for some reason - I am scared by a really shitty horror film remake.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    shit happens?

    by BurgerKing

    Pretty sure you could sum up ANY movie by saying shit happens. Anyway, while I would say you're a little girl for getting freaked at The Ring, I won't because you're giving me high hopes for this one, I'm glad we'll actually see another creepy film for once, and a Steven King one at that!

  • June 19, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    FORgot about the boiler, FOR-got.

    by half vader

    Geez. Also, I was playing devil's advocate there a bit too. Not sure if that came through. <p> There are pictures in the Giger's alien and ARh+ books of he himself working on the actual costume, not a maquette.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    MetaFreePhorAll,that "herky-jerky movement trick"

    by TORTURE PWN

    is straight outta JACOB'S LADDER.You can tell thats EXACTLY where Malone & co. were getting their "inspiration" from with that.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I actually loved the HOHH remake.

    by Frijole

    Up until the last 5 minutes or so. The house itself was great. Rush channeling Vincent Price. The cleverness of the opening at the theme park. That fucking machine thing. Jeffrey Combs. Just wow. Granted there was a reliance on visual tricks lifted from JACOB'S LADDER (and lifted by too many other movies as well), but overall I thought it was a superfun horror-comedy (that may be going too far... more like mostly straight horror with some appropiate and well placed comedy and camp). Certainly MILES better than the HAUNTING remake that it followed and still the best of the DARK CASTLE movies. But damn... that stupid fucking ending.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Dark Castle

    by Kloipy

    Is responsible for some of the worst horror movies I have ever seen. HOHH was pretty good. had some freaky shit. The Haunting remake was probably the worst "horror (and I use that term LOOSELY)" movie ever made.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Shining

    by mr. brownstone

    you can dissect the way Kubrick chose to adapt the book all you want... but in my opinion he made an incredibly effective, moody and unnerving film. I think it works exactly because he doesn't over explain everything in regards to the madness. We are simply engulfed by it along with Jack Torrance. To me the big flaw in a lot of contemporary horror films is they over explain everything and that lack of mystery and uncertainty diminishes their ability to scare and unsettle the audience.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Session 9

    by jester51

    Has nobody else seen this movie? It has never got much attention but it scared the hell out of me, nothing too over the top at all, just strange occurances for absetos workers at an empty old insane asylum. One of the best horror films of the past 20 years.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    I now have hope

    by Lando Griffin

    This movie looked promising to me from the get go. Then I was let down a bit upon hearing about the rating and running time. But I still held out the hope that this would creep me out and I am glad that Massawyrm has confrimed that. Every time I get my hopes up that a horror movie will creep me out I am severely let down, hopefully this will be the one to change that. And yes I think growing up on horror movies has desensitized me a bit as far as scares in movies. The Ring was so freaking boring as was the unnecessary sequel. I did enjoy the first and last scenes - not necessarily scary though. The last movie that gave me the creeps was The Grudge (first US remake) The sound she made, the way she moved down the stairs, dislocated jaw girl. I had to sleep with the tv on that night.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Why is Kubrick's Shining . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . the only f'in' adaptation King openly bitches about? God, that pisses me off. Did he not see a vast majority of the other piss poor adaptations of his work out there? There are too many to start listing but you can start with the straight to TV ones. He should have been happy that he got Kubrick, of all directors, and Kubrick got the budget, cast, and most of all, proper scares that this adaptation deserved. Screw the differences from the book. You can count the adaptations that follow his books word for word on one hand. And only one successful adaptation was able to use crazy-ass King-isms like calling your kid a "pup" or someone you hate a "shitter" properly, and that was Misery. Damn, I'm rambling . . .

  • June 19, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Jester

    by Kloipy

    I liked Session 9 as well. Not the ending so much. But over all pretty good. Someone earlier had mentioned Mouth of Madness, I think that movie is really underated. It scared the shit out of me

  • June 19, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    half vader and others

    by OptimusCrime

    Alright, your point about different mediums having differences in terms of what is effective or not is valid, but just because Kubrick didn't make something work doesn't mean it COULD NOT HAVE. Also, yes session nine was fucked (straight to video, wasn't it?) and I don't care for Dark Castle either.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Session 9

    by Lando Griffin

    was good. Not necessarily scary but defintely eery and unnerving.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Thanks Massa

    by ripper t. jones

    Good review. Everything I needed to know.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Someone please make sure Eli Roth sees this

    by Atticus Finch

    So that he learns how to make a movie that is actually scary, not just bloody (and boring). Oh, and make sure Roth stays the fuck away from Cell. Please.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Jack's madness level

    by Kloipy

    I think it was perfect to start out Kubric's Shining with Jack already bubbling. The book is less about ghosts and more about alcoholism. Jack had already had a huge problem with it (ie pulling danny's arm out of socket). He was unhappy in his marriage because his wife was still distant from him because of Danny. So Jack resented Danny and Wendy for how his life was turning out. He took the job at the overlook because it was a last ditch effort for him to prove that he could be responsible and to be looked up to by others. It was a chance to prove himself. But all the deep anger he still carried was brought out easily upon arriving. It wasn't like he was a perfect father from the start. He already had a ton of issues and the Hotel played upon him.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    atticus

    by Kloipy

    Amen to that. I don't think Cell will go over well with people who haven't read it. I thought it was a great book in the first half, but kind of went down hill for me after the infected were flying. I don't think the viewing public will get it. And I def. don't think Eli Roth should touch it at all. He's already talking about changing it around. Zombie torture cabins with rotting fruit in a grindhouse

  • June 19, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    atticus and kliopi

    by OptimusCrime

    Eli gets a bad rap for hostel (haven't seen cabin fever or hostel 2). I realize its not popular to admit to liking that shit, but I did. I agree he is self-important, but shit, that was by far not the worse slasher I've seen. Furthermore, as far as King goes, Cell is among his worst and while the movie will likely continue the long tradition of shitty King adaptations I don't think Roth is the worst guy they could've gone with. The book is heavy on gore and light on plot, so he seems like a reasonable choice.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The Overlook

    by chi3fhog

    While vacationing in Colorado, I ran into an older gentleman by chance. We struck up a conversation. Come to find out, he used to work in the actual hotel that inspired The Shining. I believe it was the hotel that was used in the remake, not the Timberline from the movie. Anyhow, this man had tons of stories about how haunted the place really is (if you believe in that sort of thing). We talked for a couple hours and during that time, I heard a dozen different "true" ghost stories. The old man said that he was in an episode of "Ghost Hunters" on SciFi Network that was dedicated to the real Overlook. A couple months later, I saw that particular episode and sure enough, there was that old man featured prominently. Thought you guys might enjoy that.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    chi3fhog

    by Kloipy

    That is cool man! Thanks for sharing

  • June 19, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    What about THIRTEEN GHOSTS?

    by WickedMonster

    We are talking about 13 freaking creepy ghosts here let loose by some dumb guy, or girl. I don't remember.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    King griping about his films

    by Gislef_crow

    Yeah, you never hear King griping about the lousy job the director did adapting his short story "Trucks" into "Maximum Overdrive." Oh, wait...

  • June 19, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    optimus

    by Kloipy

    Eli isn't the worst director out there, and I dig some of the stuff he does, I can tell he loves horror and that is really cool. but he hasn't shown me any growth as a director. Hostel was only scary in the idea not the final product

  • June 19, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I surprised the could milk

    by The Dum Guy

    I surprised the could milk this story for more than an hour. I read the short story not long ago and it took me barely an hour to read.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I love Massawyrm

    by Rupee88

    ...not in a gay way, but he is a really good writer and seems bright and does intelligent reviews that are spot on. Moriarity is cool too, but Mass. is my new fave on here.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    This is the dividing line of horror movies.

    by Captain Sensible

    There are buckets of gore fans, and they aren't going to like this kind of movie. There aren't many of them because everytime a movie comes out that they champion it flops horribly. This sounds like a movie I would like. I loved the Ring, it was the last scary movie I saw, because it was uneasy throughout. And arguing about the Shining is sad. Let it go. It was 27 years ago, and a better version hasn't been made. The topiary coming to life is stupid. Let it go.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    "they could"

    by The Dum Guy

    I just woke up.

  • June 19, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    13 Ghosts? Are you serious?

    by Kloipy

    Monk and Shaggy fight ghosts in a glass house by billy joel

  • June 19, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    I liked it too

    by BitterMan23

    And agree it was prob the scariest movie since the ring. Which is all the more interesting when you consider both films are the dreaded "PG-13"

  • June 19, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    King Adaptations

    by Homer Sexual

    Stephen King's critical abilities are on a par with his acting...cheesy, overly literal, kind of backward. Anyone who thinks the TV Shining was good and hates the Kubrick version because "it wasn't enough like the book." Well...for those people, you'll always have Creepshow 2, your putrid TV Shining, Langoliers, etc. Kubrick's Shining is a masterpiece on every level. One of the best movies of all time. Even AFI agrees.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    I'm seeing this movie friday!

    by andrew coleman

    Hopefully can prove horror films don't need torture to be scary. I hate torture porn! Saw and Hostel movies and all the rest suck! So I hope this movie rocks the box office to make a statement it will obviously make more than Hostel 2 but I hope it does really well also because Sam Jackson is in it and I am still a SOAP lover.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    MirrorMask

    by Purgatori

    did a great job using the Carpenters creepily. I'm excited about this. I interviewed the director and he was quite the interesting guy and gave a great explanation for casting against type for Jackson's role. I'm excited to see it.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Both Kubrik and King are right.Why do we have to choose

    by Lovecraftfan

    I love the book and I love Kubriks movie. They are both seperate entities. Why must one choose one or the other?

  • June 19, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Session9

    by mr. brownstone

    is incredible, it scared me like no movie in recent memory. Although I did find the last act a little weak.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Wasn't kings biggest complaint...

    by mr. brownstone

    about The Shining that "Kubrick seemed intent on making the audience feel bad"? I swear that was his problem, like that is somehow wrong for a horror movie. Always seemed like a crazy thing to say to me.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I saw a great Kubrick exhibition in Berlin

    by BenBraddock

    ..couple of years ago. It was amazing, with all the props (well a lot of them) from his movies,plus storyboards,costumes & scripts.. wow! They had the Grady twins' dresses, the axe and Jack's typewrtier - with accompanying pages - on show, amongst other things :-) "The Shining" rules! PS Are the Grady girls *really* appearing in the UK "Big Brother" this season?! That's too cool..

  • June 19, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    I'VE HAD IT WITH THESE MFING GHOSTS IN THIS MFING HOTEL

    by Err

    Get 'em, Sam.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    The Shining - hands down the FUNNIEST movie EVER!

    by kinghenryVIII

    yup, some scary parts (kids in hallway, long hallway shots, etc.) but Jack's role, "Wendy, Wennnnnndy". I laugh my ass off everytime I see it.<p>I will be seeing this this weekend though. Looks great. And The Ring did freak me out in some parts - Cousin It coming thru the tv - but I was really stoned so maybe that had something to do with it.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Session 9 - agreed. Great until the last act.

    by kinghenryVIII

    David C should act like that in Miami CSI .... but I wouldn't find it anywhere near as funny if he did.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    So the movie is nothing like the story then?

    by KillDozer

    Because the story wasn't the least bit scary. Half of it was one character telling the other that there was some scary shit in the room and the other half was the other character talking about seeing some scary shit in the room. But we never got to read about the actual scary shit. The build up was good, but the room was a total let down. One of King's worst short stories IMHO.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    The Shining

    by Silverglade

    Steven Spielberg said on the bonus DVD from the Kubrick box set that he loved Kubrick's The Shining best and had seen it at least 30 times. Just a fun fact to add since there is a lot of Shining discussion. I am also bothered by King's disapproval of the film. I wish he liked it, is all.

  • June 19, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Silverglade reminds me of my big question . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . will Spielberg ever adapt King and if so, which work?

  • June 19, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Nice, it was supposed to be "Talisman" for years

    by Mister Man

    Would love to see "Bag of Bones" via SS.

  • June 19, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Gauntlet of nurses...

    by Billyeveryteen

    While you don't try to sneak past them while they "sleep", you sure do mow down a lot of 'em, in all four games.<p>Is it wrong to be aroused during that scene? Not that I was...<p>King, great writer. Shitty reveiwer.

  • June 19, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Ring Ring Ringu Pingu

    by henrydalton

    Fucking hell... the girl in the closet, I'd been repressing that! I also thought The Ring was a great film, and a much better remake than I was expecting. That closet scene was the high point though, because they managed to fuck up one vital thing - Sadako. She just WASN'T scary in the remake, whereas she was terrifying in the original. The TV scenes just don't compare - CGI overkill compared to genuine, balls to a brick horror. Anyone who hasn't seen the original, check it out :)

  • June 19, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    ring 2 remake

    by Kloipy

    was one of the worst movies of our time.

  • June 19, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Vadersabre and wallpaper

    by MJAYACE

    I will have to take your word for it considering I'm at work. :) If it is what I think it is, that you have it at all says to me you might like a little Vader sabre.... Seriously, the movie that scared me the most of all time was literally Jaws. Creepiest thought still goes to the Shining.

  • June 19, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Never heard Speilberg might do anything by King.

    by Nice Marmot

    Talisman would be a good choice. I used to want him to do The Tommyknockers. Uggh, just remembered the made for TV version. Total crap. An exact adaptation of The Running Man would be cool, too.

  • June 19, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Marmot

    by Kloipy

    Speilberg was going to direct the talisman years ago, but it fell through, so he's producing the one being made now

  • June 19, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Beating a dead horse...called The Shining..

    by skimn

    I think Kubrick's work was not critically well received when it was first released, and has gained respect as the years have gone on. I think King didn't like it because Kubrick brought his usual detached coolness to the story. King ( I believe ) hated the long Stedicam shots, and the blood flowing from the elevators, and as has been stated, Jack's portrayal that already was a little crazy to begin with. And King anticipated so much, because Kubrick was one of the most respected directors of his day, and King felt he came up short. In retrospect it became a good King adaptation, but a great Kubrick film.( Hated the over dramatic "day-title" cards though, ie, dramatic music punch.."SUNDAY"..)

  • June 19, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Blue Crush Sequel

    by Spandau Belly

    Remember how those girls were all hotel housekeeping maids? We could have them all get trapped in this evil room and have to surf against demons!

  • June 19, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Session 9....also Blair Witch

    by Homer Sexual

    I have loved horror since I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s. I have seen so many "scary" movies, that I am almost never scared. The most recent movie that creeped me out was Session 9. So obvious, yet I never saw it coming. Great! A real overlooked gem. Also (I know, haters, I know) Blair Witch was really scary. The scariest movie I've seen in the last 10 years, at least. But I had the distinct advantage of seeing an early preview, so hadn't heard anything about it when I saw it (and it was almost the same as the theatrical release, with a little explanation added).

  • June 19, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Just listen to Samuel L Jackson, John.

    by Nadine_Cross

    Why is it with Stephen King and wise, mystical African Americans? I haven't picked up anything of his in years, but as I remember his dialects were fairly painful to read. It's disturbing on some levels. He creates characters with the boundless knowledge of the ages who also can't string two words together without some anecdote about a pole-cat.

  • June 19, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Analysis of The Shining on Youtube

    by chains

    This is great for Kubrick fans... a really insightful analysis of "The Shining": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGCmY10w-0Q... the guy who made it has also done 2001, Clockwork Orange, Alien and a few others that are very interesting. Point being... it's supposed to be different than the book, and for good reason. Check it out.

  • June 19, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    If you expected blood and gore in the short story

    by Lovecraftfan

    then you would be dissapointed. Personally I found it refreshing to see a haunted room short story that wasn't about ghoulies and ghosties but rather the psychological effects on the main character.

  • June 19, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Also I'm surprised there are people here who hate

    by Lovecraftfan

    the novel The Shining. Not only is it a great horror novel but a genuinely moving examination of alchoholism and child abuse. If only more horror writers could exapnd the boundries of a simple horror novel like that.

  • June 19, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Chains

    by BenBraddock

    Which part of that YouTube url do I need to remove to see the analysis you mentioned? Or what search tags should I use? Sounds really interesting. Btw, anyone who liked "The Shining" but hasn't seen the "Making the Shining" documentary by Vivienne Kubrik should do so!

  • June 19, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    I agree w/ Homer Sexual . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    I don't care what you say, I don't care about the ending, I don't care about all the hype that followed. I saw Blair Witch opening night in a packed house and the whole damn theater was on the edge of their seats. Every scene that was supposed to scare or creep out did it's job and then some. Great horror experience. The hype ruined this movie for a LOT of people. If you want to rip on the guy kicking the map into the creek, I'll agree with that.

  • June 19, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Also, I love real horror . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . so thanks for the tip everyone who praised Session 9. Never seen it and will rent it this week.

  • June 19, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Session 9 is so underappreciated

    by Lovecraftfan

    Good to hear people like that.

  • June 19, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Anyone seen the "Shining" computer game?

    by BenBraddock

    Seriously cool, it was a Swedish art project. You can see it on YouTube, search for "Do You Have The Shine". You can't play it but you can get the idea of how it works. Or read this http://www.johanthurfjell.com/shine.htm

  • June 19, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    the The Shining debate

    by mrbong

    well, i make no secret of the fact that i am a huge admirer of Mr Kubrick, so my apologies if i am biased. not that i have anything against Mr King's books, mind. on first watching The Shining, i too was somewhat disappointed by the lack of a literal translation - Kubrick's other works, notably Clockwork Orange, were superb exercises in near-perfect page to screen adaptations, and yet the films remained his own vision. on repeat viewings, however, you can at least "get" Kubrick's interpretation of the novel. all the major themes are there from the novel, and fundamentally the same point is made by both. as with most of Kubrick's work, however, it is not the most easily accessible piece of cinema to watch, and i understand the numerous complaints and criticisim about it. the biggest disappointment about the whole thing was Stephen King's complaints about the film version. he got paid a very large chunk of money for the rights - if he was happy enough to accept that, he should have the decency to rather stay quiet if he doesn't like it. granted, his comments were never as embarrassing as the whole Anne Rice - Tom Cruise - Interview With The Vampire debacle, but he didn't do himself much good trying to play like a victim in the whole thing.

  • June 19, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Silent Hill & Blair Witch

    by Lando Griffin

    Silent Hill - as a fan of the games I was really psyched for the film. Psyched even more with Gans at the helm. I loved the look and atmosphere of the film but that was about it. Too long, too boring, too convoluted. The games were truly scarier than the film. But I did admire the effort in regards to the look and feel.</p>Blair Witch - Truly scary the first time you see it. The sounds of the kids laughing outside of the tent still gets to me.

  • June 19, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    other good creepy scary movies...

    by yassoo

    Candyman (that philip glass score was perfect), Jacob's Ladder, The Omen ('76), Session 9, The Machinist (talk about mood).

  • June 19, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    The Shining raped my childhood

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Creeped me teh fuck out... I must have been 13 when it came out. Session 9 didn't do much for me but I dug The Machinist; the carnival ride is creepy as hell. American Werewolf in London, Repulsion, Blair Witch (yeah, I admit it... it lubed me up with artificial butter and bent me over). And that Gilligan's Island episode with the ghost who turns out to be SPOILER a Russian spy.

  • June 19, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Video game movies like Silent Hill

    by skimn

    end up a mess to appease the game fans, and audiences members who don't know a thing about it. It had the most authentic creepy look, but storywise..meh.

  • June 19, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Bag of Bones

    by Giftoflight

    Someone above mentioned that book... ...Did I read the same book as everyone else? It just seemed so forgettable... an old woman kicks a guy's ass by throwing rocks at him.. he nearly drowns... he's hung up over fighting a crusade for trailer trash girl. It played out like some wet dream of what King would do in the event his wife died . He'd go save some poor girl... "They used to shit in the same pit." That line was way overused. Okay... and his summer home had an angry black woman's ghost in it? WTF?! Was there more to this story, because I'm a pretty big King fan and I thought this was lackluster at best. Opinions are like assholes, of course.

  • June 19, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    And who could forget "Shining"

    by half vader

    You know, the one with 'Solsbury Hill'. God I cracked up the first time I downloaded that thing. I wonder what Cameron Crowe thought of it?!

  • June 19, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Close your Eyes

    by lost.rules

    and The descent. Very Creepy films!

  • June 19, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Original Ringu was scarier than the remake...

    by DarthBakpao

    ... Ring the remake was too stylish in editing when it came to the scary parts. for example, they deployed that MTV-style quick cuts on Samara's crawling out of the well and TV, it took away the creeping feeling that supposed to slowly came into viewer's realization

  • June 19, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Opinion on this and others mentioned...

    by MediaNerd

    I thought the commercials for this looked good, up til the last moment where the girl comes out and says something like "don't you remember me daddy". That made me worry this was going to go down a familiar feel of late. If that is not the case, then I will definitely be down for this one.<br><br> The Shining is one of my favorite flicks. I haven't read the book, so can't comment on the feel or adaption, but the cinematography, design, and general tone just clicked for me. I tend to prefer my films cold and detached and Kubrick was a master at that.<br><br>Session 9 was rather enjoyable. I haven't seen it since it first came out, but I remember liking it up til the end which just didn't sit right for some reason(and at this point I can't remember what it was). If I'm recalling right, I think there's an alternative ending on the DVD which I preferred. Might be wrong though.<br><br>Ashok0: Audition is solid. I would have no reserves recommending it, but be aware that although many people call it a horror film, it does not carry itself like one, so may not be what you are looking for.<br><br>ITMOM is definitely one of the more fun films that has come out in awhile. Again the ending-or almost end-...eh, but the idea and tone of it was great.<br><br>Also I would say maybe check out Perfect Blue. Its animated, so won't be for all tastes, but that flick freaked me the first time and had a great story of the horror of slipping reality.

  • June 20, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST

    "Kubrick's Shining sucks"

    by smackfu

    I'm a huge King fan. I loved the book. But Kubrick's Shining is a fucking masterpiece.

  • June 20, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST

    King, brilliant writer as he is, doesn't have...

    by PoweredUpPacman

    ...the right to gripe over The Shining. Not when a few King adaptations he actively cooperated and worked on are true pieces of dogshit. I'm talking, off course, about Maximum Overdrive and Cat's Eye. It's strange by the way, that most people think that most King adaptations are shit while in fact most of them are, in fact, pretty good. Even some lesser known and older ones. And the best ones, including The Shining, knew what parts from the books to cut. And later crappy TV re-adaptations proved them right (Shining and Salem's Lot for instance). I'd still like to see someone figuring out how to make The Marathon into a movie. I can't really see how, baut it'd be nice if someone tried though. That's probably my favorite King story.

  • June 20, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    The monster / killer reveal in Creep...

    by PoweredUpPacman

    ...scared the bejeezus out of me by the way. The movie itself was far from perfect but that reveal: total darkness, Franka Potente flicks in a lighter and you that horrible fucking face just staring at you for like 5 seconds with no sound. That sure as shit bugged me the fuck out for a couple of nights.

  • June 20, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    How about a good remake of "Children of the Corn"?

    by Boondock Devil

    Creepy-ass farm kids will always be scary. Kind of like most clowns.

  • June 20, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Great scare in the dark

    by otto maddox

    you can't beat that scene from Pitch Black where the Aussie wine guy flicks on the lighter and all the monsters are standing around him

  • June 20, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST

    otto

    by Boondock Devil

    That would have been so much better if they didn't use that scene in the trailers for the movie... but still pretty cool. Whoever mentioned the camcorder scene from The Descent is right on. Near shat moment right there.

  • June 20, 2007, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Shining etc

    by rico72

    I saw the Shining for the first time one Saturday morning while eating a Chow Mein. The bit with the girl in the shower made me drop my noodles. I later tried to watch it alone in a flat, one dark evening, as the kid rode his trike around the hotel, with the sound of the wheels going soft on the carpet and rolling on the wood - eek, I had to switch channel. The scariest film of all. BUT, the book is great too, as someone pointed out, the topiary was brilliant, but could never work in a movie. Oh, and thought Blair Witch was one of the shit scariest movies too, second time I saw it, I had to turn away for the last bit in the house. And let's not get started on Rosemary's Baby.... Oh man, its nighttime here in NZ....I'm too scared to go to bed...too scared to stay up!

  • June 20, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Scariest thing I ever saw on TV...

    by PoweredUpPacman

    ...and this is no joke: this seriously happened when was a little kid: that prologue story that went with the Micheal Jackson Thriller video. You know, the one where Micheal was on a date and he turned into the ugliest werewolf ever to disgraced any viewing screen. I shit you not: when he turned round into view in full make-up,I ran out of the fucking house. Literally. In my defense, Micheal Jackson as a werewolf: who can blame me...

  • June 20, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Great Review

    by BeyondStatic

    Great Review. Short. Sweet. To the point. And genuinely makes me want to catch this now after a few less-than-stellar reviews. Thanks.

  • June 20, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Another brown trouser moment

    by otto maddox

    ..the end of Race With The Devil (1974) when Peter Fonda and co think they have gotten away from the satanists...and then the chanting starts up again all around them ...probably hasn't aged well but shat me up I can tell you and beats the fuck out of all this torture porn wank that's all the rage nowadays

  • June 20, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    I like Cusack.

    by mrfan

    I also like the way this film looks. I have never been a huge fan of King's adaptaions from book/story. Yes. I have enjoyed a few. The Shining, Misery, and The Stand come to mind first. I am planning on seeing this. Love to see Cusack play off this role. And also...I hope it scares me.

  • June 20, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Hey Pacman, I think you mean "The Long Walk"..

    by Billyeveryteen

    Which is pretty great. Very troubling.<p>Unless, I've missed a story about a different marathon...

  • June 20, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Otto maddox,

    by mrfan

    I heard that they were going to remake that movie. I think it comes out next year.

  • June 20, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Scariest Movie Ever...

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Satan's Triangle! Of course I was in second grade at the time, but I haven't seen it again since, so it remains... the scariest movie ever.

  • June 20, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    King approves of 1408 (the movie)

    by jabbathegriffin

    He said so on his website.

  • June 25, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Fuckin Girlie Shit Pal! I'll take my wife again?

    by Alex Trevelyan

    Smoke what if you got'em? Yours better be full of POT Pal. Bring your wife to see this SHIT again? This film is BOLLOCKS! CRAP! Theres the answer. You have a wife to support. A website to sustain. People to con into watching this NON EVENT & other pants Summer sequels. RUBBISH. Fellas your intregity is nearly at an end & with that this website. Too much LOVIN' gonin' on. Too much STAR GAZIN'. No Grit. No balance. Very easily swayed by celebrity. Convinced. Fuckin' gushing salesman. This one stinks like a mother(gunshot). Its crap. You feel every minute of this NON STARTER. Drawwwwnnnn out structure. 20 minutes toooo long. Is your wife deaf (and/or) blind perhaps? I'd imaginge she's a corporate lap dog like you regardless. FUCKIN straight to DVd. Hands down. Hey buddy did the rent get paid this month? I'd say so you fuckin' corpaorate puppet. 1408. 100% CRAP. Cheers Now!

  • June 25, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Fuckin Girlie Shit Pal! I'll take my wife again?

    by Alex Trevelyan

    Smoke what if you got'em? Yours better be full of POT Pal. Bring your wife to see this SHIT again? This film is BOLLOCKS! CRAP! Theres the answer. You have a wife to support. A website to sustain. People to con into watching this NON EVENT & other pants Summer sequels. RUBBISH. Fellas your intregity is nearly at an end & with that this website. Too much LOVIN' gonin' on. Too much STAR GAZIN'. No Grit. No balance. Very easily swayed by celebrity. Convinced. Fuckin' gushing salesman. This one stinks like a mother(gunshot). Its crap. You feel every minute of this NON STARTER. Drawwwwnnnn out structure. 20 minutes toooo long. Is your wife deaf (and/or) blind perhaps? I'd imaginge she's a corporate lap dog like you regardless. FUCKIN straight to DVd. Hands down. Hey buddy did the rent get paid this month? I'd say so you fuckin' corpaorate puppet. 1408. 100% CRAP. Cheers Now!

  • June 26, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Audition

    by FlickChick

    Fast-forward until about 15 minutes from the end and you'll see the most twisted stuff ever put on film. The rest is boring.

  • June 26, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Session 9

    by FlickChick

    ...Is one of horror geeks "snob films". A little known pretty good movie, that they overpraise precisely because it's little-known. Like I said it's pretty good, more creepy than scary, but it's not the second-coming in horror. And those who claim they didn't like The Ring, I bet everyone of you jumped at the closet scene, was unnerved by the horse, and laughed at Sanara coming out the TV because you couldn't handle your fear.