June 18, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST
oh yeah. but seriously. fuck the punisher.
June 18, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST
June 18, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST
No comment at this time.
June 18, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
June 18, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST
Have you seen this?? http://www.darkhorizons.com/ne ws07/070618c.php The disappointing box-office of "Hostel: Part II" has upset quite a few, most notably its director Eli Roth who says on his blog that it will have an knock-on effect. The most notable one will be a delay in his adaptation of Stephen King's "Cell" - "I am not directing Cell any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects. Which means I wouldn't shoot until the spring and you wouldn't see a film directed by me in the cinemas until at least next fall." He cites the infamous leaked pirate copy of the film as one of the reasons for the damaging box-office, especially internationally. Unlike other movies leaked online and taken with video cameras, "Hostel II" was notably a near DVD-quality unfinished work print. He also adds that the R-rated horror genre is in serious jeopardy after several notable failures this year - "studios feel the public doesn't want them anymore, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R-rated horror." KEEP MAKING EXCUSES ELI!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
June 18, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST
It's called "Death Wish". Now leave Thomas Jane alone and give the guy a chance to star in a decent film, will ya?
June 18, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST
Not comic, not funny, just gritty, angry and enjoyably predictable. You always knew he was going to kill the bad guys, and that is what made it awesome. No inner struggle, no emoting, no lame ass neighbors. Just him, a warehouse, maaaaybe Microchip, and a lot of guns, and no sense of humor.
June 18, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST
And good to hear that a decent genre filmmaker like John Dahl is getting a bit of respect. Heck, next thing you know, James B Harris will be making another film. Lordy, I loves me some Jimmy Woods in COP...
June 18, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST
I'm a big punisher fan going back to 1986. The first film was shit. The Tom Jane film was cool, a little uneven but it works. Now lions Gate wants to do another with a new director/star combo. They have no respect for Jane, he lived and breathed the character for 4 years, he wanted to do a better film. What the hell do they want? I see a former pro wrestler in the next directed by Alan Smithee. Lions gate, at this point you are proving your head is so far up your ass its lapping at your neck. From a punisher fan, leave it alone. You don't know what you got in the property (Jane did but you don't want him.....this is the crazy I'm talking about) so leave it alone. "Just walk away."
June 18, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST
24 pages of comic? Maybe 20-30 pages of screen time. You stretch that kind of thing over 90 minutes, you get nothing better than EXTERMINATOR II. Mind you, Robert Ginty's still alive...
June 18, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST
They failed twice
June 18, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST
a single issue?
June 18, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
...and VERY dispirting to know that the producers are STILL trying to make a Punisher movie on the cheap! Tight-ass motherfuckers! It doesn't have to be mega-bucks, it's a guy shooting people after all, but to try and make a decent action flick for £17m (or whatever chickenfeed the first movie cost) just isn't going to cut it in this day and age. SPEND SOME FUCKIN' MONEY, SHITBIRDS.
June 18, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST
http://tinyurl.com/yohktf <P> The perfect Castle story. Cheap to film too. Assholes. I'm glad Jane walked.
June 18, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST
Is still the shit. I actually have that in my "que" to watch again.
June 18, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST
He knows what I'm talking about.
June 18, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST
"If they could get the same kind of humor that's in HELLBOY, that sort of sardonic, throw three guys in a dumpster and set it on fire and walk away with them screaming and kicking. To me, it could have been hilarious, but I guess ultimately it was too much baggage." FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GIVE THIS GUY SOME MONEY AND LET HIM DIRECT PUNISHER 2.
June 18, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
is directing Punisher 2. Joblo did the story a few weeks back.
June 18, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST
but I see what your worries would be.
June 18, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST
Very graphic looking...Very stylized...very violent.
June 18, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST
shows that Dahl gets the Punisher far more then anyone else seems to. Jane seems to get it, some directors seem to get it, why can't Lionsgate get it? Its not rocket science, its a Punisher movie.
June 18, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST
Keep Thomas Jane (who I thought was perfect), start it off in New York City, don't even mention the first movie. Just do the "War Zone" story from the 1-6th issues.
June 18, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST
Sure, Eli Roth is a hack; now he's a hack and a whining pussy. He just can't reconcile himself to one fact: HOSTEL 2 sucked, though he'll blame everyone else for its failure. He chastises critics for screening the on-line, pirated print--though he declines to specifically to identify the reviewers (get the gist? He's a liar). The film's financial/critical failure may have dissuaded investors from linking Roth to "Cell" ("From the man who brought you HOSTEL"? Not exactly a ringing endorsement). Roth's rants are predictable, juvenile--and quite sad/pathetic. Roth co-produced 2001 MANIACS; he could learn quite a lot from that film's director, Tim Sullivan.
June 18, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST
I mean, is this an Eli Roth site or what?
June 18, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
At least he'll be able to say the movie made it's budget back. So we can expect to make more people angry within a year and half.
June 18, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST
June 18, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST
That puts in perspective John Dahl's work
June 18, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST
FIND A WAY TO GET TOM JANE BACK ON THE SEQUEL! And then, find a way to move it back to NYC, where the punisher belongs. Anyone buy or see the second Punisher dvd? Wondering if it's worth the upgrade.
June 18, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST
by D. Allusion
I looked for it on his myspace but the last thing he mentions is how excited he is about the movie's imminent opening! (I know it's off-topic, but suddenly AICN's gone quiet on the subject of Eli Roth.)
June 18, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST
Roth insists that HOSTEL 2 made its money back ($10 million; wow, what an achievement). It's a lie. The film would have to gross more than $20 million just to break even (TV, radio, print ads, ad infinitum). And various European territories have declined to release the movie (resistant to torture porn). And, sorry, it won't be a megahit on DVD. No wonder that Lionsgate is pink-slipping. I've heard that a nice gig is awaiting him in downtown L.A.; I just hope he'll be more efficient at washing cars than making crappy movies.
June 18, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST
Holy crap does that Voltron script review sound like utter shit.
June 18, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
factor in overseas (sp?) gains, plus DVD sales and you've got a movie that ends up in the black, just look at Superman Returns.<br><br>The issue ends up not being that it turns a profit, but if it did as well as the last film, which it didn't.<br><br>I'll admit I'll try and back Roth up just for making a movie he believed in, but Hostel 2 was not as good as the original. If I had my say, I would've gone the Devils Rejects aproach and made it where you kinda feel for the killers (imagine someone killing someone that looks similar to a person who raped them, now that's identifying).<br><br>Roth fucked up thinking that we'd care for underdeveloped characters and cookie cutter villians (and don't get me on the whole anti-American undertones).
June 18, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST
June 19, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
I thought that was directed at the scene with the kids playing soccer, or maybe Roth was just trying to sale the ending as "too shocking!".<br><br>I've seen some gross shit (google Bud Dwyer Video to get woozeey or go to South Padre during spring break), so Hostel 2 wasn't exactly shocking.
June 19, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST
"I thank the good Lord for giving me 47 years of exciting challenges..." Not a dry eye in the house. I smell Oscar.
June 19, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
That is a fantastic Punisher story. Superb writing, mood, Frank Castle asshole-ery and uber violence. MAKE IT!
June 19, 2007, 4:34 a.m. CST
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
Sounds like a cool guy. Plus Sir Ben really is very good. Ghandi to Sexy Beast via Schindlers List. What a guy!
June 19, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST
...would need lots of voice over. In the comics Frank narrates his own adventures, and that's part of what makes them interesting. Oh, and Roth? Still feel like torturing somebody? Look in the mirror. F-in' hack.
June 19, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST
You guys who claim to hate Roth so much sure do spend a lot of time talking about him…….even on a John Dahl talkback.
June 19, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST
Roth is second only to Jesse Jackson as the #1 p.r. whore. I recall, on the heels on CABIN FEVER, that he was invited to join a panel of veteran directors (Wes Craven, Stuart Gordon, Tobe Hooper, et al). Roth showboated the q&a session, hogging the limelght. The real filmmakers camouflaged the tedium with "What an asshole!" grins. Never mind that CABIN FEVER made ony a modest profit, Roth kept referring to it as some sort of blockbuster. This guy is delusional. William Castle made mosty mediocre flms(though I'm impassioned with THE TINGLER and kinda admire MR. SARDONICUS) and slung the bullshit when promoting his commerce. But you loved the guy, he was akin to an eccentric uncle. Roth registers as a smug fratboy (in league with the Clintons) who thinks that he owns the only video camera on campus. The erosion of his career is his own fault--naturally, he has deflected responsibilty by blaming pirates, the Internet, ad infinitum. His only compatriots are this site and "Fangoria" magazine (the latter existng solely as a press release for the studios). Wonder if Tarantino will invite Roth this year's Chritmas party?...maybe if he agrees to herald the other guests by dressing as an elf and ringing a bell on the front lawn.
June 19, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST
by RAWHEAD RALF
...the song performed by the hit man in the cafe as requiem for castle's impending death was a way cool (and needed) moment in the film...