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Let’s Talk A Li’l Bit About WATCHMEN Casting!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
Okay... it was about a month ago that we broke the story that Keanu Reeves, Patrick Wilson, and Jude Law had all been offered significant roles in WATCHMEN. Since then, Keanu Reeves passed on the film, and the stories online make it sound like it was a simple matter of him not wanting to do it.
Not quite. Actually, Keanu priced himself out of the film, and Warner is (wisely) banking on the idea that Zack Snyder and the material are the real stars of this movie, the way they were for 300. As a result, they’re looking for actors, not movie stars. The Keanu stories confirm that we were right about Dr. Manhattan at the time we went to print, and Snyder’s also said in other interviews that we are right on the money about the other roles we’ve reported on. So where are things now with the movie?
Well, CHUD.com has a very interesting story up today, and it seems that they’ve got it confirmed thanks to an actor who isn’t in the film, but almost was. Paddy Consadine was a heck of a good choice for Rorschach, but I’m thrilled if it turns out to be true that Jackie Earle Haley’s going to be wearing the mask in the film now. Sure, it makes this a wee bit of a LITTLE CHILDREN reunion, but that’s fine. Both Wilson and Haley are great choices for their respective roles.
And now that Keanu’s not playing Dr. Manhattan, who is? Well, I know they flirted with Billy Crudup for a time, but my sources tell me that the favorite for the role now is Jason Patric, which I think is a hell of a good choice. In fact, that’s probably the best suggestion I’ve heard yet for Dr. Manhattan in all the years the film’s been bouncing around. Patric always seems to be slightly disconnected from the world, but he doesn’t come with any of the baggage that Keanu had.
The Comedian’s still up for grabs, too, but they’ve looked at everyone from Ron Pearlman to Nathan Fillion for the role. Right now, it sounds like there’s one actor who Snyder likes for the part, but I’m not at liberty to divulge his identity yet. Let’s just say it’s a “punishing” choice, and the actor brings a lot of comic book credibility to the role if he ends up playing it.
I’m sure we’ll start hearing more concrete news in the weeks ahead, but for now, I think it’s obvious that Snyder’s casting a wide net, and he’s determined to put together one of the best casts any comic book film has ever had, which is only fair considering the source material.
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
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When is it due?
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Es Elso.
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Ian McShane. http://tinyurl.com/25ylj2
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CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!
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Dead Mans Shoes best brit film ever.
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I thought I Was going to have to wait til Transformers opened...
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Tom Janeaway who played the Punisher in Star Trek im very happy,he was amazing in Stander, it makes sense theyd go for a younger guy than Perlman as its easier to make a young guy look older with make up than vice versa,TJanes a good choice for the Comedian. Keanu priced himself out? he'll feel that when the movie hits the screens, havent seen anything i can think of that JPatrick's done lately but he could be good, dont know the actor who's up for Rorschach, ill prob look him up, it'll be good goin to see Watchmen with folk who dont know who Rorschach is if they play it the way they do in the comic, glad it's not a big name as there would be a hoo hah about this person being in it and so on spoiling the unmasking. Lookin forward to this 2nd only to Dark Knight.
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I could give a shit about Watchmen. Didn't like the comic, Don't like Alan Moore. If Zack Snyder is doing this, I'm mildly intersted only because I liked 300. The only good thing about Moore's books are the research and backstory he puts into them.
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but god damn if Justin Theroux is not the sexiest piece of flesh ever created...if him and Zooey Deschanel had a kid, it wouldn't even be a human. just solid, blinding light coming from her uterus...
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Is he destined just to do everything that Keanu turns down. Well it worked well for him with Speed 2, hopefully this might pan out aswell
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but I always thought that Simon Pegg (Shawn Of The Dead) would make the perfect Rorschach. I don't know this Jackie Earl Haley from any film, but he looks a bit gaunt, almost skeletal; something Rorschach wasn't in the Watchmen graphic novel.
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Wasn't Simon Pegg ALREADY a Rorscach type in Garth Ennis's hilarious superhero pisstake comic THE BOYS?<P> He was, so he was. Google it, my friends. :D
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Patric is the man for the job. Would hate to see the character turned into Neo. Lovejoy as the Comedian? Dunno About that. Fillion though, maybe.
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Jason Patric is ... "probably the best suggestion I’ve heard yet for Dr. Manhattan in all the years the film’s been bouncing around"? You've gotta be frakking kidding me. Patric was great in the Lost Boys and he was even okay in Narc but the basic reason he seems "slightly disconnected" is because he's not that good of an actor and in your heart you know it. Now, maybe Keaunu's not much of an actor either but at least he has the right kind of presence for Manhattan. Patric, otoh, would just consume the screen with his blankness, and not in a good way. I know you want Watchmen to succeed as a film, Mori, but jesus christ you gotta stop talking up every lousy decision they make as though it's inspiration isself.
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How the fuck can you not like Watchmen? Did you actually bother to READ it? sighs. One of the two most significant comic book works of all time. Ah welll I suppose there's folks who think Shakespeare was a hack too. LOL To me Dr Manhattan has to come off as someone incredibly serene and powerful. And not look awful naked bald and blue. Not keanu and certainly not jason patric. a "punishing" choice? Worst "hint" ever LOL (oh God, unless hes fucking with us and its Travolta - gag)
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No, really?
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...he's a creepy little rat faced guy, who played Zep in SAW and Benjiman Linus in Lost. <BR>He's a character actor who specialises in creepy, little rat faced people (did I already mention that?)</BR>
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that making this movie is a terrible idea. I loved the comic, but theres no way they're gonna be able to get it right on the big screen. Let's hope they prove me wrong, but I doubt it.
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Oh jesus no; NOT Thomas Jane....
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Paddy Considine had been in this, he's a great actor, would have really upped my interest in this, I'm also glad Keanu Reeves is out, I just don't get it with anyone likin that guy
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jude law is ozymandis i take it then? cool works forme..just.so is patrick wilson niteowl then?? someone let me know. want to know who is playing sally jupiter could be interesting, mori u got any rumours on that.??
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That's friggin' brilliant. Seriously, what a great idea.
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He's got a nasty voice, which Rorshach is going to need, especially since his face will be covered for most of the movie. Basically, you're going to need from the actor what they got out of Hugo Weaving in "V for Vendetta".
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Im just sayin, he probably already has the outfit for it. It'll save them some money not having to make one for him.
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or anyone else that various comic book geeks deem inappropriate for various roles (before even a single scene is shot)
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Great way to sell my recommendation. Sorry.
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Nothing personal, but the guy can't really act (except when he's being animated or turned into a CG special effect). Also, he looks nothing like Manhattan.
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hd-dvd just tossed salad. to quote jim morrison... "THE WAR IS OVER!!!!!!!!"
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I could live with Thomas Jane as the Comedian in early flashbacks... my main problem with him is that he's too young, not well-built enough, and doesn't look like the Eddie Blake we see for the majority of the film.
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brutal.
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Should've been Andy Serkis for Rorschach. Considine would've been brilliant too, though.
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So, I guess it's gonna be a cast of kiddies, then? Any adults in the roles?
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Not planks of wood who have rediculous fan bases all because they got lucky and starred in a vampire movie in the 80s and banged Jamie Getz. Oh yeah, and did some shit afterwards that I don't remember.
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Rosie?
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or I will break you
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He's the right age and he's got that same kind of charm.
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A good choice. He's not the snob Keanu has become, and he's twice as talented as Neo too. As for who he is...um Lost Boys anyone?? I could name a dozen other movies but just wiki his name.
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Rorshach - a total unknown (which should be completely obvious to anyone who's read the novel) Dr Manhattan - entirely CGI, with Lawrence Fishburne's voice Ozmandias - Aaron Eckhart (though Thomas Jane could pull that role off) Night Owl - John Cusack Comedian - Mel Gibson (yeah, you heard me) See? It's easy.
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as soon as I heard Keanu was out. Am I the only one that thinks he looks about as tough as a puppy? Even in the Matrix when the computers did all the work, I just couldn't believe it for a second. This is one of the truly great comic properties, and I hope Zack does it justice, and moving on without K is a great start.
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Mel Gibson would be kind of inspired, but there's no way. The Tom Selleck one was good too, if only he was a better actor.
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znyder keeps impressing! no keanu hurray!
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It's going to be shit - 300 wasn't THAT great in reality (good tho). Heroes has pretty much done the job of scuppering the whole climax of the Watchmen comics - not specifically, my American cousins, but in tone. Besides, Alan Moore has gone on record countless times that he's not interested in the film versions of his books. In fact, all of the films made from his source have ALWAYS BEEN SHIT (and nothing like the books). From Hell - shit. LOEG - shit. Waste of time getting excited everybody.
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Who's playing the pirate? Depp?
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I need to re-read Watchmen. Been a good decade or so since I flipped through it. But I remember thinking that Stacy Keach would've been a good choice for The Comedian. Maybe not now, but I think in his prime he would've been perfect for the role.
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solartaco3 - Kathy Bates is in.
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And I'd pay money to see Lundgren play the spoons.
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i dunno. i mean, his *character* in Deadwood ould lead one naturally to make the association, but so far (and ok, i only ust started watching it - i'm 4 eps into season 1) he hasn't really sold the total badass act to me. i keep wondering exactly why folk can't meet his eye... maybe he'll grow on me?
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Technology is surely at the point where directors can simply hire Kurt Russell to play all of the parts in all of the films. I imagine a bright, shiny future where all you need to make a feature film is Kurt Russell and a roll of green cloth and a small army of computer types.<p>Until then, this Jason Patric is okay. I have liked him in Narc and Rush and Your Friends & Neighbours and After Dark, My Sweet and, obviously, The Lost Boys. He's no Kurt Russell, but then not everybody can be Kurt Russell. Only Kurt Russell can.
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and the next time i read "i could care less" when somebody is trying to say that they *couldn't* care less, i'm going to turn the internet off and you can all go and play outside.
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Oh and I want Mark Hammill for Rorsasch!
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That's to the tune of Pia-Pia-Piano, obviously.<p>Anyway, I like this Keanu Reeves. I think that's why he's had such a successful career - because people like him. He seems like a nice guy and you could have a beer with him and not come away thinking 'Jesus, what a Hollywood asshole'. He's not a good actor usually, but that likability is half the battle in creating characters for films, I reckon. Also, he was either Bill or Ted, I don't remember which. Maybe Ted. He was funny in those films.
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I've always thought that Dolph Lundgren would be perfect for the role of The Comedian!
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...I am gay and although Justin Theroux is sorta cute in an off-kilter way... I would hardly call him "sexiest piece of flesh ever created"... you straight guys are weird. Maybe you were blinded by the light coming out of Zooey Deschanel's uterus (never look up into one of those without wearing protection)... by the way Will, I subscribed to your YouTube Channel...
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there will be 'dreamcast' choices FOREVER. it would be awesome if they gave us a fake cast to stave off comic/movie geeks and then hit us with totally different people when the movie started production.
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Johnny Depp for the Captain of the Black Freighter!
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The part won't take any acting chops. They could just get a cut model and shave his head. And I think its funny that they went with the guy from Speed 2 when they couldn't get the guy from Speed. And maybe it's Roy Scheider for the comedian!
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Perfect casting.
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Praise the gods!
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...you guys seriously thought he meant Dolph? Seriously? Just throwing away all the many other reasons why it wouldn't be Dolph, he's way too aryan looking to play the american ra-ra propoganda hero The Comedian.
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"These guys are brutal killers": Jason Patric's prophetic line from The Lost Boys... Now if only they would cast the Frog Brothers...
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... for jokes." It's just occurred to me that Keifer Sutherland would make a pretty good Comedian.
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Get the Fly himself, he's the perfect choice. Snyder you can thank me later. nuff said.
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And not just because he had a moustache in 'Spider-Man' (Burt Reynolds? Dennis Farina? Are you fucking people serious?). Simmons has the humor, physical build, acting chops, and is AGE APPROPRIATE for the role-- Why the hell are they casting so young? It's not like this is a franchise property. Look at his performance as Schillinger in 'OZ'... Simmons would be absolutely perfect. But I'd settle for Ron Perlman. That said, thank the baby Jesus that Keanu's off the table.
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Dolph Lundgren? Jason Patric? PADDY!? Considine? Tom Jane? Billy Crudup? What the hell is wrong with people? Do people NOT want to see this movie? Zack, do NOT listen to fucking geeks with hard ons for has been/never was actors! This is probably the best chance for a comic film to get any real acclaim or recongition, and we want to give the lead to the guy from THE BAD NEWS BEARS!? OF the 70's!? The material doesn't get any better people. Don't let your geekness fuck this up. It's taken so long to get this far. If our best offering is geeked all over and turned to shit, you can forget about any future project getting taken seriously at all. This was moving along so well, now the train has derailed.
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The guy just has no charimsa, but maybe he'll be OK painted green.. Keanu would have been better, but I'd rather them not waste too much budget on him.
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May seem an odd choice but I seriously pictured him as Dr. Manhatten when I first saw him in The Wire playing Cedric Daniels - granted I hadn't read Watchmen in a while
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You should pull your ass away from The Lost Boys for a little while and go check out his roles in Rush, After Dark My Sweet, Narc, The Beast Of War, Geronimo and Sleepers. Lost Boys was just another pretty-boy teen acting role, but the rest of those film showed some damn fine acting on his part. Yeah, he was also in the all time turkey that was Speed 2, but so was Willem Dafoe, and is anyone here gonna tell me he's not a great actor? Sometimes good actors do bad films, it's just the way of things. Point is, if given the chance Patric got game, so if cast here I think he can do the material justice.
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is like watching two trains converge onto a single track. This thing is going to be a disaster and at this point the only thing you can do is watch the carnage.
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Now there's a great "out of the box" suggestion for Manhattan. I commend you sir.
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I'm going to write that in every Watchmen talkback until the end of time.
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... otherwise he'd have been a good choice for Ozymandius. Other than the obvious (Brad Pitt) is there a man in his forties who could play the perfect specimen? Dolh might actually work as the older Capt. Metropolis... if they even show that character in the film.
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Because 300 was a pretty dumb movie.
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This guy has absolutely no range yet continues to find great parts in great movies and fit them fine. Hats off! Sometimes you don't want a great actor, you want a one note carboard cut out of a fit handsome man, and Keanu is just that.
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We know he can make a movie that feels like an awesome Nintendo game. Watchmen will show whether he can really make a smart, emotional slow paced movie that is driven by character and not action.<br><br>I really haven't made up my mind about Snyder's potential, but I will once I see Watchmen. This film has the potential to be either a live action equivilent of Akira, or a DTV Mystery Men sequel. We'll see.
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I think Zack Snyder is really good at what he does, and I really enjoyed 300 as a fun, kinetic, over-the-top action epic. But Watchmen is a whole different ball game. That said, I'm just glad Gilliam isn't doing it.
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... rather than Rorschach as often rumoured... this would fit in with Butler's comment that he "may not be in the film" and Snyder's comment that having the Black Freighter in the film was a fight "he hadn't lost yet", but would be in the DVD if the studio wan't a shorter run time.
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Except for the fact that Zack is the director.
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... actually after thinking about his role in Mulholland Dr., Justin might make an interesting Dan Dreiberg... (then Zooey Deschanel could play Laurie and blind BadMrWonka with her uterus light)
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...would be fucking genius. Bravo, godzthor1.
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Go watch Little Children, and then STFU. Perfect casting.
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There are some no brainers in life.. If you had to go American with John Constantine, it should have been Dennis Leary not Mr. Reeves. Nite Owl/ Dan Dreiberg is a middle aged underdog. This role is made for Cusack. It's payment for the fact that he never got to play Peter Parker, like Stan Lee wanted if they had made Spider-man in the late 80's. (thank god they didn't) It's not too late Zack... I'm not alone... http://tinyurl.com/3a4ty3 http://tinyurl.com/2thbmy
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... but Keanu IS Dr. Manhattan period. I don't see tiny little Jason Patrick in that role at all. But Wincott probably would be a good 2nd choice for Rorshach. I like Jane alright, but he's way too young for the comedian. I'd rather see Selleck, I think Snyder could get a good performance out of him.
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I Just thought Reddick had the physical presence and the he gives the impression that there's something going on behind those eyes. As for the director; I liked it for the strong visuals but Watchmen is a far more complex story. My preference would have been Greengrass.
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June 18, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST
"worst actor ever to get 20 million" Um, Chris Tucker?
by JackRabbitSlim
Course if you're playing by inflation rules ya gotta include Christopher Jones, that truly atrocious actor who played the Brit officer in "Ryan's Daughter" - even Keanu Reeves has never sinlgehandedly derailed the career of a legendary director the way Christopher Jones trashed David Lean's.
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The more wooden and emotionless an actor, the better for Manhattan.
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but that's part of his charm. Whoa!
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Let's do some crimes.
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from Little Children is scary as hell. You start to like, and feel sorry for the guy, then next thing you know he's sitting next to you masturbating and saying, "I'll kill you if you tell."
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He is way too skinny and they'd have to work on that some how, but I think Gary Oldman would be perfect for the Comedian in terms of acting ability. Also, what heathen god do I need to sacrifice a goat to in thanks that Keanu Reeves will not be mucking up this movie?
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Miniseries, maybe. Too dense and complex.
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... has the correct, erm, "detachment" to play Dr. Manhattan, and he is the right age. Actually now that I think about it... the correct age cohort for the characters in this movie... is the Brat Pack. hmmmm Anthony Michael Hall as Rorschach? Rob Lowe as Ozymandius? Judd Nelson as the Comedian? Emilio Estevez as Nite Owl? Demi Moore as Silk Spectre? This could actually work...!
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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-batpod2-jjp0axnc,1,7400211.photo?coll=la-headlines-entnews&ctrack=2&cset=true
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...would play Dr. Manhattan in the Brat Pack Watchmen movie... Joel Schumacher to direct! (that last is a "joke", of course we must drag John Hughes back outta retirement to do this!!!)
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Oops! Apologies: http://tinyurl.com/2ly6h3
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"I just want my kids back!"
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That "subplot" has NO place in the film. None. For the printed page, it works great as a little commentary on the main story. But it would be total distraction that would take everyone who hasn't read the source material right out of the movie. When you are trying to adapt anything longer than a novella to the screen, you have to lose some fat. And this is it. Because if you keep the Freighter in, you ae going to wind up losing something else, like Manhattan on Mars or something else much more integral. As for casting, I can't believe anyone is suggesting anything OTHER than McShane for Comedian. When I first read that suggestion back when Greengrass was doing the film I thought it was absolutely inspired, and no other choice has come close, Jackie Earle Haley did great work in Little Children but he may be a bit too wiry/diminutive for Rorschach, who is a total fucking menace. Then again, he's wearing a trenchcoat for most of the film so it might not be a huge issue.
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Perfect.
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That would be on point.
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I'm so glad he's not gonna be in this now! Finally suits make a good move. This is truly one where the source material will carry it anyway, and blowin tons of cash on "big names" will just take away from the parts that need to really work. I hear I look like the guy all the time...but that doesn't mean I think he can act. In any thing he's ever been in he's always had the surferspeak to me. I love the Watchmen comic & don't see him in it @ all. I have to admit I don't know anything about this Jack Earl Haley guy, but I have tons of faith in Snyder. Kind of like the idea of Dolph Lungren as Doc Manhattan, but don't think that'll ever happen. It is a role he might be able to pull off though. Has anyone brought up Billy Zane for that?
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The only thing he was ever good in was Lost Boys. If you want Doc Manhattan to come off as a total douche, then yeah, cast Jason Patric. Terrible choice.
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300 was awful and the opposite of everything Watchmen is. THE EXACT OPPOSITE. I hope this dies in production.
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I remember choking and laughing over bong-loads and ramen at that Punisher movie... But I don't know much else about this Tom Jayne guy. Initially I felt pangs of terror. Then I saw that he produced that batshit-crazy movie "The Tripper" from the deranged underpants of David Arquette. Then I found THIS VERY RECENT PHOTO: http://tinyurl.com/29rwtf Now, not only do I want to see this dude thrown off of a skyscraper and shoot a pregnant Vietnamese woman in the stomach (calm down: it's in the comics, people) -- I want to have a beer with this dude. I gotta trust that Snyder is getting pretty inspired with this stuff. Trust his underpants. But that dude from LOST BOYZ!?!?! C'MON!!!!!!!!
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Barring that, CLANCY BROWN!
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is that like a bank or something?
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... cuz you would need the right voice for that character... another choice would be Vin Diesel... although with the current rumours going around it might be a little too close to home for him...
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@ Lazarus Long: Read Watchmen again. Rorschach is a little guy, in fact wiry and diminutive are two of the best words you could use to describe his physical appearance, those and ugly. That is actually an important element to the story.
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seriously can anyone answer that? can't hollywood leave legitimate classics alone and continue "adapting" lighter fare? THEY CAN'T EVEN DO THE FANTASTIC FOUR JUSTICE, WHY WOULD THEY NAIL WATCHMEN?
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Like the previously mentioned ideas of Ian McShane & Mel Gibson for the Comedian. Has anyone mentioned Mickey Rourke as well?
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Like the previously mentioned ideas of Ian McShane & Mel Gibson for the Comedian. Has anyone mentioned Mickey Rourke as well?
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Nathan Fillion. He is to funny...put him in some R-rated Watchman goodness...and he'd sell the Comedian fantastically. Woofski...way up there...shot out Kiefer (Jack Bauer killing machine( Sutherland...and he crossed my mind too when i re-read this beasty a few weeks ago...but I think he'd almost be to much. As for Jude Law...beyond a shadow of a doubt would be Ozymandias. He's so damn smug...who else could he possibly be...
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It was only relevant to the theme and ideas, not to the actual plot in the book. It would just drag down a film. Same with the biographies and stuff.
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So instead of paying for an A-lister they're going to cut corners and make an ensemble movie with no big stars in it. Yeah, that's a real good sign.
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On the other hand...Kiefer Sutherland would be a great Rorschach...he's short enough, as Rorschach is a shorter guy...he has that gritty voice...and can defiantly be bat shit crazy.
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Say Watchmen does come out, and there are no recognizable names in it and it therefore makes less money than it would if say a name like Keanu Reeves were attached to it. Not to mention it has to be rated R. This movie can be a complete success artistically, but if it doesn't show in the Box Office numbers we'll never get a complex intelligent superhero movie again, we'll just wind up with drivel like Fantastic Four. Drivel that will pay 300 million dollars so it can make a PG rated pretty looking movie that has Jessica Alba in it so that it looks prettier, automatic box office success. An Unsuccesful Watchmen movie will be the end of good superhero movies. Mark my words.
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Or James Purefoy
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Bad Hercules, naughty. Dr Manhattan absolutely, positively HAS to be a CGI character, just as Rorschach absolutely, positively HAS to be an unknown. Any more of this and I will scrap this entire project. I MEAN IT.
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Doug Jones for Rorshach - mostly because I'm pretty sure he can do any role. And I was completely sold on Perlman as the Comedian - but if he gets Gerard Butler (which is who I've been thinking he'd like to get) or Thomas Jane (who he hints at here)- I won't be too bothered. Jackie Earl Haley's good - if his performance in Little Children was any indication. That's actually the only movie I've seen him in though - I missed Bad News Bears.
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Mickey Rourke would be AWESOME, but I couldn't see Fillion. I'd love to see him in the film in some capacity, but I don't see him as the Comedian. And Zooey should play the Silk Spectre...because I have, like, a major crush on her. And as far as Nite Owl - Justin Theroux's an inspired choice, too - but I won't be too pissed with Patrick Wilson.
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The one time keanu's wooden acting would've come in handy... hmmm, what's kutcher doing these days..?
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...Doug Jones for Dr. Manhattan.
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Honestly, listen to his raspy, whiny voice. Who could listen to that and think of Dr. Manhattan? I think Ralph Fiennes would be good. Jonathan Rhys Meyers or Henry Cavill are better choices than Patric. Patric? What a weirdo choice.
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You know that would kick ass!
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Good idea!
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Look it up in the last WATCHMEN talkback!Now if they'd just cast Stacy Fucking Keach as the Comedian. Come on,he's SUPPOSED to be old!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Doug_Jones_2007.jpg Yeah, awesome. And Torture PWN - Rourke would work better than Keach, without a doubt. Rourke's grizzled and a total hardass, he'd be perfect.
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Philip Seymore Hoffman
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I dis'nt see you had already posted Billy Zane for the Doc. I guess two great minds think alike!
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Am I right? Huh huh? Who's wid me?
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He doesn't look "grizzled" he looks like a plastic surgery practice dummy.Keach IS The Comedian.
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He'd be a good choice too.
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He already has comic book cred for playing Nick Fury in the epic Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Not to mention, they are looking for quality actors, not movie stars.
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if he packed on a few lbs.
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Don't muck up my dreams of a GOOD Superman film, you fools!<p>And Dennis Farina is PERFECT for The Comedian. They'd have to do quite a bit of compuerized "de-aging" to get him as the earlier versions, though. Tom Jane, despite his "comic-book credentials", quite frankly, is weak as lamb pee. He's pretty much sucked in everything I've seen him in. Leave him free to do Sci-Fi Channel Original Movies, as he was obviously born to do.
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That was sarcasm, right???<p>You had me scared there, for a minute...
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I mean, really, are people getting excited about Patrick Wilson starring in a movie? He's a good actor but c'mon, if more than 8 people in America know the difference between him and Luke Wilson I'd be amazed. What they're obviously doing here is casting it like the Fantastic Four, which proved you can stick nobodies in one of these things if it's an ensemble piece.
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And Mel Gibson as The Comedian.
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Think a script treatment could somehow divide the story into two somewhat independent films? Like, change around some of the narrative structure, not seriously, but enough to create two arcs.
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the acting in 300 was horrible...they could have used a couple of real movie stars to pull off the story.
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Another vote for Ian McShane right here.
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Chiwetel Ejiofor would make a great Doctor Manhattan. Also, assume that he'll be partly CGI, he has to be, but they still need an actor to portray him.
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Tom Berenger. Barnes=Comedian. "Think you know sumthin' about dyin'"
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here r my picks, any thoughts? awesome that JEH was cast, also Patrick Wilson; now we only need to get Mary Louise Parker in there.
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Now ... that is a great idea!!!! Actually, he's the best idea I've heard! He actually has the voice and the physique!! Zack Snyder ... pick James Purefoy!!! _______Also someone mentioned Adam West as Hollis Mason ... I think that's inspired! I would love Adam West to get that part.
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Another great choice, whoever made that.
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I know that Paul Newman is out of the acting biz, and Jude Law is a name, they're just fanboy picks
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nuff said!!
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NaTCH
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Man, I'm just so glad they didn't get Ryan Phillipe.
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Whoever said Chiwetel for Dr. Manhattan - PROPS. I never would have thought of him, but he'd be perfect! And according to Rotten Tomatoes, Wilson's pretty much cast as Nite Owl already, so any talk of Quaid, Cusack or Fillion is, more or less, officially a what-if scenario. I personally think Sam Rockwell would be the absolut bitchin-est Nite Owl, but I think he should be in every movie.
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...I can breathe again knowing Keanu is off this project. I was afraid they might complete the cast with Jack Black, Sarah Silverman, Michael Richards and Carrot Top. And thank you, TB'ers, for there only being ONE mention (so far) of the "HBO miniseries" concept. Every time I read someone crying that "it should be 12 episodes," I want to to gouge my eyes out with a cole chisel.
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Jason Patric, that is. For Dr. Manhatten. How will they depilate him?
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Maybe? Anyone? Mustache and gray hair for Mr. Owen?
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Bruce Campbell! YES! Okay, okay, my offial stance as of now: Fuck Mickey Rourke, Stacy Keach, Tom Jane and Ron Perlman. There is only ONE Comedian - and he wants you to shop smart. Shop S-Mart.
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Seriously. No? Too soon?
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is The Comedian
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Why too soon? Did he die?
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Damnzor
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First, Moriarty's line about "going to print" near the top was pretty funny. This is a niche website, not exactly the new york time (or even a local newspaper for that matter). Also, at the end where he says, "I’m not at liberty to divulge his identity yet. Let’s just say it’s a “punishing” choice, and the actor brings a lot of comic book credibility to the role." 'Punishing?' Seriously...you might as well have given his name away. You nerds crack me up.
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the Dolph reactions are gold. Perlman would have been the best for Comedian, period. Jane's a good guy, hell of a better career move vs. Punisher 2 if it's true. Jason Patric? Almost as bad as Keanu, they're like cousins or something (the 'Speed' boys!) Zack better be careful on the casting of Manhattan and Ozymandias (a bland, logical buff guy and a full of crap buff guy).
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He's from Oz-tralia, get it? Let's give him another shot as a megalomaniac. He's a good actor and I'm sure he can pull it off. I mean, Jude hasn't signed on the line yet, has he? BTW, Joaquin Phoenix for The Comedian. He looks older than he is.
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Seriously, the novelty of Ivan Drago in the Watchmen movie would wear off...FAST...
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no, "too soon" because they already announced/leaked the Rorshach casting. I was doing a reverse-meta-reverse joke. A comedic inversion if you will. Comedic Inversion. Hunh. That's a good name for a band that is!
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Seems like a lot of comic folks have quite a bit invested in "The Watchmen". A lot has been made of it supposedly being the "holy grail" of comics and so forth. Considering what I've seen from Snyder's previous efforts, I have to say that I find this project rather dubious. I'm sure it will look great...it may even have some capable actors onboard. But there is something missing from his directorial approach that makes it hard for me to be interested in this one. I hope he doesn't ruin it for you kids.
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DUHRRRRRRRR.
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The pirate story has to be cut out altogether. The really old stuff not pertaining to the main characters can be cut. The 40s-70s can be handled in flashback. The rest can be efficiently filmed in about 2 hours, I imagine. Of course, it will be nowhere near as deep and nuanced as anybody who's remotely a fan of the graphic novel would want, but them's the breaks.
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Why not just get the guy that played Xerxes? He did well before in pretty much the same role.
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Well, lets hope not. We only need one highly glossed up, shitfest in this world of ours.
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It's Patton Oswalt.....if he was actually in "The Punisher"...was he up for Micro at one time?
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wasn't Butler supposed to get a role? He'd make a good comedian (if he can lose the accent). 20 years ago, Fred Ward would have been great in the part (for anyone of you Remo Williams' fans that are still ticked we got that crappy tv series and not a Remo part 2).
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...um, so would you rather him work on another Hostel? At least Cell is an interesting premise from an established horror author (to say the least). I was looking forward to it, in spite of the Hostel films. Or is this just hating on Eli Roth because he...did he, like, murder a slew of kittens or something...? It's just hating for hate's sake?
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D'you know what's interesting about Matthew Fox? Nothing. Would you tell him he's an asshole for me? Haha - so yeah, he'd be good, unless he's too busy playing Racer X...btw, who gives two flying fucks about a Speed Racer movie?
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I give at least 3 flying fucks about a Speed Racer film
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I give at least 3 flying fucks about a Speed Racer film
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June 18, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST
You fruitcakes are more interested in your boy toy idol
by ScamsAndFlams
casting than you are in the fact that a great story WILL be ruined by hollywood morons.<br><br>Oh my GOD, you guys, Matthew Fox is sooooo much dreamier than Jason Patric AMIRITE?<br><br>Alan Moore fucking despises you all.
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sorry, that sounded better in my head.
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think about it.
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He's crazy, violent, middle-aged, red-haired, short, wirey. Bring it on!
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Apologies, hope los hermanos Wachowskis deliver the goods.
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this free association casting game is really fun.
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... have you *seen* Roth's cock? <p> http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/06/eli_roth_has_his_dirk_diggler.html#more <p> fill in all the gaps... (I'm sure it does!) <p> How the Hell could you pull that *thing* out of anywhere? It goes wherever it damn well pleases! <p> ...yes, I know, it's only a prosthetic... Roth's own real cock would surely be circumcised...
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hmmm, meta.
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...last time I checked 'ol Axl wasn't so wirey anymore...
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p.s. isn't Nite Owl kinda redundant? Anyone ever heard of a day owl?
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There, I said it. That is what Watchmen will be labeled if Snyder doesn't pull this off. That, and he'll probably receive threatening phone calls and bricks through the windows of his house from deranged fanboys. I really hope it'll be good.
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not sure how well it's going to translate today. cold war era - man-made alien octupus thingies - naked atomic guy - nearly naked megalomaniac(?). Big fan of 'V' though, the novel and the movie.
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Whoever said Jeff Goldblum for Dr. Manhattan is a fucking genie. JK Simmons for Comedian was pretty great too.
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I've read the Sam Hamm and David Hayter drafts - and the Hayter one updated it with a truly horrendous, "All You Need Is Love," smartest-man-in-the-world-killed-by-owl-a-rang-deus-ex-machina-type ending, while Hamm added a pretty random and abrupt time-travel assassination-of-Dr.-Manhattan twist at the end. And, again, Veidt is killed. I would MUCH prefer the man-made alien octopus-thing...
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:) Now there's one I hadn't heard yet. And, to add to what I said about he Hamm/Hayter drafts - both of them were really good until the endings, I thought.
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convinced me he could act when I saw Your Friends and Neighbors. Pretty damn creepy role. Not sure I see him as Dr. Manhattan - but it seems like it's one of the least challenging roles in the film (at least, acting wise). But maybe it's actually harder to play someone disconnected from the world and still make them sympathetic. Anyway, it'll probably be the most effects-driven character. Frankly, I think Doug Jones should play Dr. Manhattan. His Silver Surfer was pretty Radd. I crack myself up.
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I personally think Jones would make for a good Rorshach. Check it - a red-haired, good actor, whose face is relatively unknown to the general public. I'm pretty sure he'll find SOME role in this movie - and I personally think he'd make a brilliant Rorshach.
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didn't know about the drafts. actually not comfortable with the novel's ending. KINDA SPOILER. always thought manhattan shoulda' vaporized Ozy, not Rorschach (to bargain for Rorschach's silence). would have meant rorschach's "justice" and maybe manhattan could have taken Ozy's place as the ruler/orchestrator. what do I know. i just need to talkback. goldblum sounds like a great choice although it won't happen.
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Agent smith his ass all over the place, I want to see a group of leboufs working together to fight crime
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Michael Madsen FTW! He's the perfect choice for this character in regards to both age and psycho badass demeanor.
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What I always loved about the novel was that Ozymandias got away with it - he was the bad guy, but it turned out the bad guy was right all along. If you watch Wag the Dog - it's got a similar ending, kinda. With De Niro having Hoffman killed because he, like Rorshach, wants to tell everyone the truth (more or less - Hoffman wants the fame and glory, Rorshach just wants justice). And it worked really well. Maybe not a giant squid, and I've heard they just threw the earlier drafts out completely, but...I just don't want some random ending tacked on to give it a happy ending, yknow? It kind of has a happy ending already - any more happy and it just gets...treacly...
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Why the hate and accusations he's casting unknowns as some kind of cutting costs action...People have highlighted how good Wilson and Haley were in 'Little Children'. Patric is a great actor, take a look at Narc of even Geronimo to see that. Imo he's perfect for Manhattan as he has that balance between stillness and powerful menace. If they next cast McShane as The Comedian I'd be very happy....Oh, and then ditch Law for Pitt as Ozymandias. Same as with Patric, Pitt has the gravitas to pull of the role.
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i mean, how many times can keanu play a god-like role? and i still stand by the fact that he is the same person in every role. jason patrick would play it far better. and he needs the work. although it may curse him further to follow keanu's lead in another movie..heh
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now more than ever, the world is ripe for this film...the bigger the disappointment with today's comic book movies the warmer the reception for The Watchmen...take comfort in that fellas...take comfort in that. By the way, I respect all of you.
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esperemos que así sea
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Would actually make a fucking good Comedian I reckon; agreed.<p> Manhattan as all CGI. Probably the best answer actually. Despite FF2's apparent stinkyness, the Silver Surfer looks like he works REALLY well, so there's no reason why Manhattan shouldn't work as a CGI character.<p> Who to play him pre-accident/transformation though?
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really doesn't matter when you consider the director. This is a character study . . .something that has been missing in Snyders other films.<P>Another great book turned into a shit film methinks. Thanks Hollywood
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I just 'googled' Jackie Earle Haley - WTF?! Rorschach?! Not a sniff!<p> He's too bald, too old and too thin!
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Why hasn't anyone picked up on this yet? Andrew Wilson, the forgotten Wilson brother would be PERFECT for The Comedian! Who didn't love his portrayal of Beef Supreme in Mike Judge's new cult classic, "Idiocracy"? I'm telling y'all... Andrew "Beef Supreme" Wilson IS The Comedian.
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Would be perfect casting in a biopic of F1 team boss Frank Williams - but not Rorschach
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Kurt Russel just called. He wants the part of the comedian as long as he can get a little more air time than as stuntman mike...
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...both good calls, but let's face it, The Comedian is one of those roles that a whole bunch of people could pull off effectively. Everyone from Kurt Russell through to Ron Perlman, Bruce Campbell, Robert Patrick, Tom Jane, Clancy Brown or Gerard Butler could easily pull off the role. You just need someone who can be convincingly military, can play borderline psychopath, and has a good swagger to them. Of all the main casting choices, this is one that has a mountain of cool and worthy possibilities. Casting a character like Manhattan on the other hand, not so easy to get right...
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June 18, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by tehgreekhammer
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070618c.php <P> The disappointing box-office of "Hostel: Part II" has upset quite a few, most notably its director Eli Roth who says on his blog that it will have an knock-on effect. The most notable one will be a delay in his adaptation of Stephen King's "Cell" - "I am not directing Cell any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects. Which means I wouldn't shoot until the spring and you wouldn't see a film directed by me in the cinemas until at least next fall." He cites the infamous leaked pirate copy of the film as one of the reasons for the damaging box-office, especially internationally. Unlike other movies leaked online and taken with video cameras, "Hostel II" was notably a near DVD-quality unfinished work print. He also adds that the R-rated horror genre is in serious jeopardy after several notable failures this year - "studios feel the public doesn't want them anymore, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R-rated horror." <P> KEEP MAKING EXCUSES ELI!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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"I am not directing Cell any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects." No shit... there's writing involved in those things? Who knew!
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...It's that people are just sick of shit masquerading as horror. Hopefully with the deserved failure of Hostel 2 the suits will dump Roth and hire a decent director instead. We can only hope.
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Worst. AICN Catchphrase. Ever. And we also made Stallone use it b/c he thought it made him sound 'cool'. Poor Sly.
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just wait for AICN to have it's own story saying Cell put on hold because Roth has at last been found out to be total shite . .. well I'm waiting AICN
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I'm so friggin' happy that Hostel 2 tanked. Now we won't have to see Roths' smug fucking "Splat Pack" fucking face any fucking more! Eli, please DO a third Hostel or the Cell so those movies will tank and you'll go away for good. I hear Uwe Boll is looking for a Best Boy
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That is a great suggestion for the comedian...
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He wont even have to shave...Ha Ha
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...do I smell Speed 2:Cruise Control....boy it doesn't take much to get the Roth-hate brewing around here, does it? C'mon studios, give the guy some cash, and lets see what Carpenter could do with King's "Cell" .
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..does that make another Speed 2? Doesn't take much to bring out the Roth-hate around here does it? I'd like the studios the get the cash, get Carpenter off his ass ( stop counting cash made from remakes ), and see what he could do for "Cell".
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bout that.
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Seriously though, Jackie Earle Haley is a cool choice. I know Mori meant Jane, but Dolph actually would be interesting. He was the best thing about Johnny...whatever. Funny that Jason Patric would replace Keanu Reeves...didn't that already happen once? I like DeCypher44's idea of Billy Zane as Dr. Manhattan, but, I can see Patric in the role. He's got a trippy forehead and eyes that will really pop out once he has no hair. He really should have been cast as Jim Morrison back in the day btw.
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Zane as Manhattan and Doug Jones as Rorshach would be perfect.
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I wouldn't let Tim Story direct me to the Mens Room... No really that might be dangerous...
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Inside and Out. Ron Pearlman. Doug Jones as Dr. Manhattan. You know what? How 'bout we just scrap this movie and read the comic forever. I'd probably have more fun casting a "Snow Crash" movie anyway. Who would be a good Hiro Protagonist? I say wait a few years and get freaky little Dakota Fanning as Y.T.
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Sure, an AICN guy is the guy that might have planted the seed to cast him, but keep in mind he wasn't my first choice. What I said was something to the point of that they should invite William H Macy or David Caruso to audition... and then I mentioned Jackie. So there you go... it wasn't just some fanboy demanding Jackie. He was a third pick of mine.
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He was in "Little Children" with Jackie Earle Haley, in "The Alamo" with Jason Patrick and "The Phantom of the Opera" with Gerard Butler (who should still be the frontrunner for the Comedian role). Patrick Wilson seems to be the gravitational center of the casting for Watchmen. Does that mean that one of his female costars will be Silk Spectre? Jennifer Connelly, Anne Hathaway Minnie Driver? Anyway, I'm not too crazy about the rumored casting of Jason Patric as Doc Manhattan. Apart from being a good 5 inches too short, he seems to give his best playing tormented characters. And I think there are some good, tall and built actors in the industry. Bana? Hartnett?
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to try and ruin every talkback by talking about Eli Roth? If you dont care for his films then dont pay them any mind. Isnt discussing The Watchmen project, probably the most important comic property of all time, just a little more interesting to talk about? I have faith, c'mon you can do it...ADD is a myth...you can stay on topic...I know you can! By the way, I respect all of you.
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Because Eli Roth was crammed down our throats for months on end on this website. <p> Now that he's failed miserably its amazing that there is absolutely no coverage of this. <p> I just like rubbing it in...
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Anybody knows if there were some cast decisions made apart from Considine? And by the way... could somebody leak some of the designs that never made to the screen for that version? I'd love to see what Greengras had in store...
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I understand what you're saying but if you feel like this site has sold out or posts stories that you think are a conflict of interest then dont bother with it, ya know? There are SO many entertainment sites out there. I live in Austin and I love AICN and the Alamo Drafthouse and I support them in whatever way I can...THAT's why I come here. Maybe you should remember why you like coming here and if the main reason you hang out on this site is to unload negativity, then maybe you could give us all a break and just move on, man. Regardless, I'd rather hear everyone's thoughts on The Watchmen personally...
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my youtube channel is going to get very interesting in a couple weeks. I've been shooting all sorts of test footage with my new HD camera. and I have a short film shooting in a couple weeks, before I go to mexico, that should be pretty funny.<p>and I sold a script for $10,000, which I blatantly blew half of on some new lenses...and a couple new tattoos.
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Did anyone else hear this? Its on a blog at:<br>http://darktowermovie.blogspot.com/<br>I'm not sure if this is for real or not.
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Jason Patric seems like a nice person, but I don't see it. And I said before that Gary Stretch looks like the Comedian. It's too bad Keanu was too expensive. I thought once you had that much money it didn't matter anymore and you could take projects that "mean" something. Oh well.
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And just get someone great with voice overs to do the voice
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Lindelhof and Cuse have the movie rights & JJ Abrams is attached to direct. But that website smells of some serious bullshit: since when did the project move straight from pre-pre-production to filming without anyone hearing anything? No casting announcements, nothing? No production leaks from what is bound to be a CGI/FX heavy project? Isn't Abrams in the middle of filming Star Trek? And correct me if i'm wrong but aren't Lindelhof and Cuse hard at work planning season 4 of Lost?
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Saying that Manhattan should be CGI. Even Silver Surfer wasn't CGI in the movie; he was portrayed by Doug Jones in a latex suit with just a digital finish by Weta. And Moriarty reported that back in the Greengrass period, they found a way to do the character's blue shimmering in camera with some special body paint and lights.
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Here's your cookie. Now use your premonition abilities to correctly cast the Thundercats movie. What a USEFUL ability it is too....
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According to our own Moriarty, the actors in talks for the Greengrass version were Joaquin Phoenix for NiteOwl, Hilary Swank for Silk Spectre, Ron Perlman for the Comedian and Brad Pitt was being considered for Ozymandias, with Jude Law interested in playing all the characters like Sellers in Dr. Strangelove.
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His acting style is pretty PUNISHING on my nerves.
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Joaquin Phoenix and Hilary Swank are not bad choices... I can buy Phoenix as the shy Dan Dreiberg... more hard to imagine as the heroic Nite Owl, but I think it could work. Ron Perlman has a very defined persona and that could have work against him as a good comedian... love him in other movies, otherwise. I'd love to see a ten years older Nathan Fillion playing Eddie Blake, though... I think he has de charm, and the toughness when necessary, just watch him in Serenity... Yes, I'm a Fillion lover, sue me!
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I bet Snyder considers Will Patton as the COMEDIAN. All that PUNISHING talk is a smoke screen. Word
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that's what I was thinking, but isn't Lost going on a long hiatus and Star Trek (I think) goes into production in November, so this might be something made for TV or something.
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i always imagined rorschach as being a bit harder around the edges than jackie earle haley, but if snyder is going for creepy over tough, i think it'll work. DOUG JONES for dr. manhattan. that's a fucking no-brainer. jude law is perfect. clive owen could actually work well for the comedian, as long as he brings the sleaze like he did in Closer and not go through the film looking like he was hit with a stun gun a la Sin City. and, ladies and gentleman, nathan fillion is nite owl. even whedon-haters know this to be true. nite owl has than aw-shucks quality. you have to believe he's been trodden on. patrick golden boy wilson isn't right for it.
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June 18, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST
"Punishing?" So, Billy from Silent Night Deadly Night?
by LHombreSiniestro
PUNISH! NAUGHTY!
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I've always imagined Steve Buscemi as Rorschach, he has the creepy, not-a-hero kind of look, kinda like Rorschach under the mask. Well, whoever they do decide to use, I hope they dub his voice over with the guy who does the voicework for The Question on the Justice League Unlimited cartoon. His voice is perfect.
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I think Mel would make an excellent choice the same way Henry Fonda was chosen to play Frank in Once Upon A Time In The West. No one expects Mel Gibson to play a rapist nor for him to star in a film where he isn't the hero. Plus after the recent Jew statements it will fulfill some fantasies of throwing him out the window. Plus his death triggers the entire Mystery. My other Watchmen casting includes Willem Dafoe as Rorschach. Jennifer Connoly as Laurie Juspeczyk Val Kilmer as Adrian Veidt. And as for Night Owl I don't know why but I am strangely drawn to Harold Ramis (yes fat ass Egon). In his Ghostbuster days he'd make the perfect Night Owl. Maybe if he went on an extensive diet he could play Night Owl. And Dr.Manhattan is obvious. Doug Jones with possibly Djimon Honsou's voice.
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I understand that youre from Austin and like going to the Alamo drafthouse and youve probably even been close enough to Big Red to catch a whiff of the unwashed colon/dried sweat/breakfast nachos, musky aroma that emanates off of his massive jiggly frame. <p> Ive been coming to AICN for over 8 years now, and I just have to say that this site has gone downhill quite fast. And its a shame really. But as you know, its hard to break yourself of bad habits. <p> Im not an unabashed hater. I like plenty of movies, plotholes and all. <p> But when I see someone trying to peddle bullshit, I call them on it. <p> Harry didnt like it and he banned me from using my old screen name. <p> Me pointing out that his little fuckbuddy ROTH is complaining about how a pirated copy of his movie is the reasn that Hostel 2 bombed and hes not going to be doing the adaptation of CELL as a result, well that just makes me feel all tingly inside. <p> lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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Fr: CBWolf: "Lazarus Long: Read Watchmen again. Rorschach is a little guy, in fact wiry and diminutive are two of the best words you could use to describe his physical appearance, those and ugly. That is actually an important element to the story." ____________________________________________ Fr: MachinaMan - You're right, which is why the answer is 'Simon Pegg'. I mean, look at the guy. He's Rorschach without even trying. And he seems to be a decent actor, which is always a good thing. Now if he could just work on the accent...
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In a world were stupid, rash casting choices have sank films. Will Smith was nominated for The Pursuit Of Happyness. Does that mean he gets considered for Rorschach too? At least people SAW that movie. Haley is a flavor of the month and for some shit movie that no one will remember a year from now.
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The only actor who can do the Comedian, if he's got the balls to re-invent himself and shock the hell out of all of us is BRUCE FUCKING CAMPBELL!!! Think about it, who else could benefit the most from such a role and catapult his ass to the "A" list. Who can envision and capture the essence of this character (if he's willing to show us a darker side to his acting). And who else could have the fanboys creaming in their pants while they flock in to see this movie by the masses 3 or 4 times just cause "God" is in it?!?!?! Nobody can, but Bruce!!!
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I've never read Watchmen, I know nothing about the characters and I should probably stay out of this altogether since my opinion on this project's casting carries no weight whatsoever, but I am loving the way this cast is being assembled. Wilson is seen as little more than a pretty boy by a lot of people but I am not one of them. I think he's a really good fucking actor. Jackie Earle was devastating in Little Children. He absolutely deserved Best Supporting Actor. I think Jason Patric is fucking bad-ass. Anyone who thinks he's washed up or only fit for Keanu's leftovers clearly hasn't seen Rush or Narc. Thomas Jane was excellent in Stander. I'm not the biggest fan of the rest of the guy's work but I'm definitely looking forward to The Mist. And to the poster who suggested Michael Wincott, that is inspired, my friend. That gravelly voice gives me shivers. The Crow, Strange Days, The Doors, he kicked ass in all of them. I like that Snyder is letting the material speak for itself, and not looking to inflate the budget by casting mega-stars that he doesn't need. I realize Watchmen is considered the Holy Grail of this genre, and hopefully I'll be get to reading it before the film comes out. But so far, so good, right Watchmen fans? I've met Zack once before and I think this film is in pretty safe hands.
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Go out and buy Watchmen today, it only takes like three days to read. I just picked up a copy of like two months ago, and thought it was a seriously good read.
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Alyssa Milano or Fairuza Balk as Cheetara. John Leguizamo as the voice of Snarf. Ryan Reynolds as Lion-O, wrestling's Booker T as Panthro, and of course Tony Danza as Mumm-Ra. Hehe.
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Henry Ian Cusick for Dr.Manhattan? I know he plays a character with similar talents on Lost but I for one would be willing to suspend disbelief and embrace a crossover like that...by the way I respect all of you.
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Val Kilmer for Ozymandias, John Cusack for Nite Owl, Mickey Rourke for the Comedian and a CGI mocap for Doc Manhattan.</p> You know that cast would be tits.
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I stand corrected on the Rorshach physical description, but while Jackie Earle Haley can certainly do creepy, I don't get that sense of coiled intensity that will be needed. If he's that good of an actor he could do it, but when I think of the character I think angst and someone just ready to explode. Sean Penn would be great because he's a bit of a pug but there's no way he would go near this with a 10-foot pole. Of course, since he defended Jude Law at the Oscars maybe they're friends now and he could be talked into it. But Rorshach is a guy keeping all the rage he feels at the world bottled up, and while he isn't a spaz, he needs to be played by someone who can really let it fly. Haley's breakdown scene near the end of Little Children doesn't quite cover it, because the character was weak and desperate as opposed to empowered by his anger.
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Seriously man go to Barnes & Noble now and buy a copy. I would think that Harry would give you a copy the second you joined AICN.
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I stand corrected on the Rorshach physical description, but while Jackie Earle Haley can certainly do creepy, I don't get that sense of coiled intensity that will be needed. If he's that good of an actor he could do it, but when I think of the character I think angst and someone just ready to explode. Sean Penn would be great because he's a bit of a pug but there's no way he would go near this with a 10-foot pole. Of course, since he defended Jude Law at the Oscars maybe they're friends now and he could be talked into it. But Rorshach is a guy keeping all the rage he feels at the world bottled up, and while he isn't a spaz, he needs to be played by someone who can really let it fly. Haley's breakdown scene near the end of Little Children doesn't quite cover it, because the character was weak and desperate as opposed to empowered by his anger.
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And Mori I'd also like to point out "Dead Man" and as Gary Oldman's lover in "Basquiat". AICN can affect the industry right? Let's get this guy more work! And stlfilmwire, Ryan Reynolds as Lion-O. Shit that's so going to happen. Booker T not so much. Ok now cast Warren Ellis's Transmetropolitan-Fairuza for Yelena! Crispin Glover for Fred Christ. Charlize Theron for Channon. You get to do Spider Jerusalem...
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For God's sake, Rorschach should be someone you should be SCARED to mess with. Pegg is the lad who got the shit leathered out of him every lunch-time at school.
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Some unknown actors, names like Jason Patric... come on! D-list to the core. Don't come with "he was bad ass" in this or that because those are movies most people never saw! Won't attact crowds, won't appeal to movie goers.
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yeah because everyone had seen Gerard Butler on Dear Frankie or The Phantom of the Opera. JEH was just nominated for a fucking Oscar D-List my ass
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PERFECT ahahaaaaaaa
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as the Comedian, by way of his character's famous catch phrase, "it's punishin' time!"
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D-List indeed
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COME BACK HERE PIRATE COMIC THIEF!!!
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i laughed and laughed
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let's do it
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the reason we're hearing so much about this film is because it's one of the most beloved graphic novels of all time. it's a ballsy adaptation and, with any luck, zaCK snyder will give it the cojones the project deserves. the man stood up to the studios on 300's R-rating. at the very least, he'll deliver the same intensity to watchmen. it's like the last hope that SOMEONE, for the love of Christ, will do Alan Moore a measure of justice.
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How's he going to look screaming "give me back my face!", that's the Rorschach test. I think he'll look like Rorschach...
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Please don't let him be cast. My interest in this movie is take a nosedive if he is.
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JEH is a great actor but the fact that he was nominated for an Oscar means bananas to the movie going public. Some people win Oscars for movies that NO ONE saw! Oscar means nothing for the big public or world wide, that's a thing that only means in USA in a certain level. Period. The rest of names are D-List to the core. Sin City at least had the appeal of a unique looking movie and names like Bruce Willis and Benicio gave it more star appeal. Watchmen is going down and down in that cast and, for me, it's not a good sign. And I HIGLY doubt the problem with Reeves was money. The guy just doesn't need that, he did two movies some time ago for free, one being A Scanner Darkly . He needs to like the material. He didn't like Watchmen, plain and simple. Yeah, the fans are happy, I think he wouldn't be that good as Dr Manhattan either, but he can bring audiences, mostly overseas. Names like Law, Cruise, Butler and Reeves rounded the project. Now we have Jason Patric, Lundgren, Patric Wilson... please...
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I agree Stormwatcher, Campbell can do the sarcasm and if he uses some acting muscle, I'm sure he can muster up the creep. Ian McShane and MC Gainey sound like a good recommendation too. I'd also think Danny Trejo could do the trick.
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he won't sell himself to the show business suckers!!!!!! Mark my words. Moore is right!!! sorry.
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reminds me RDJ on mtv "o yeah i love the comic book" or "yeah i had read all the comics" Nobody believe you. You are here for the paycheck so don't lie to us or at least to me!!! KEVLAR-MAN 2008
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Unfortunately, Zack Snyder and Alex Tse do not seem to fathom Watchmen any deeper than the surface layer. This movie won't have a tenth the depth of Spider-Man II.
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so is Jason Patrick for Dr. Manhattan.
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Snyder should smack his head for not thinking of it first. Of course they'll just hire some A list actor to voice him but Doug Jones is perfect for it. I am loving this talkback cuz back in the day when Metal Gear Solid boy Hayter wrote the script that Mori loved so much I took to saying "Bruce Campbell IS the Comedian" on a compulsive basis, guess I wasn't getting laid back then. And now that I have a newborn and ain't getting laid I might as well restart the old habit! Boom. Seriously, kids are great but yeah.. not getting any.
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Snyder should smack his head for not thinking of it first. Of course they'll just hire some A list actor to voice him but Doug Jones is perfect for it. I am loving this talkback cuz back in the day when Metal Gear Solid boy Hayter wrote the script that Mori loved so much I took to saying "Bruce Campbell IS the Comedian" on a compulsive basis, guess I wasn't getting laid back then. And now that I have a newborn and ain't getting laid I might as well restart the old habit! Boom. Seriously, kids are great but yeah.. not getting any.
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John C McGinley as Rorschach. and Chewitel(sp) as Dr. Manhattan, by far, is one of the most inspired ideas I've heard yet.
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You can read Watchmen in a day if you have a couple of hours. It's "dense" compared to most comics but I mean... it's a comic book. Great stuff, absolutely NO reason to procrastinate reading it.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. He is P-E-R-F-E-C-T! http://tinyurl.com/345dmr
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Yeah, you could cram it in around a couple hours of reading time, but who has the time (bedside reading withstandin) to read it at once? Maybe, if you are on a plane, but this material is best read either slowly (in order to go back and re-trace what is going on) or to re-read once you've already finished it.<br><br>At heart, it is a story about what it means to be the one to say what is right... does the end justify the means?<br><br>I think it best to try and look at the work as a complex character study, which is to say "who really was the villian?".
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Brian Austin Green...hands down. One Stop Carnival, bitches.
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I liked 300. The only problem is, I hope that Snyder realizes that Watchmen is NOT 300. I don't want half naked men in slow motion with metal music in the background on this one.
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The fact that he was trying so hard to keep the Black Freighter stuff in means that he was definitely looking beneath the surface, and he's clearly someone who knows and loves the material. I'm sure he recognizes that tonally 300 and Watchmen are completely different works that demand completely different approaches and aesthetics. And I don't have a problem with him bringing Butler along with him either. The guy was great in 300 and actually gave the film some life, as the directing made it very stylized. Since Snyder was about as faithful as you could be to the source material (aside from the creation of a new scene or two), essentially recreating panels from the comic, you have to wonder if he'll open Watchmen with the close-up of the bloody smiley-face button, and a long zoom-out up to Blake's balcony. That would be beatiful. I'm hoping he also ends the film with the shot in the newsroom (or publishing house, I forget). I think a great ad campaign would be to release a series of teaser posters, first showing the drop of blood on the field of yellow, and eventually revealing the smiley face over the course of a few more posters during the months leading up to the film's release. I was lucky enough to snag one of the portfolios of the artwork, and there were some character promotional posters that would be a great idea to recreate as well. Shit, I'm getting chills just thinking about SEEING a poster for a Watchmen movie; I'll probably have a heart attack watching an actual trailer. Other good news is, if Battlestar Galactica was able to get the rights to use All Along the Watchtower, Snyder shouldn't have any problem.
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Robin Williams? He looks grizzled enough now.
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SUGGESTIONS FOR IDEAL CASTING: Laurie Jupeczyk: JENNIFER CONNELLY She's the emotional glue of the entire story. PERFECT beyond any doubt. see: "HOUSE OF SAND & FOG" Nite Owl: JAMES SPADER Fat, could've been Batman 10 years ago; looks like he could become obsessed with owls (the eyes). Drieberg is the audience's measure by which the sanity of everyone else can be seen; his expression of baffled morality when Veidt actually stops WWIII from happening would be worth the admission alone. see: that killer final year of the generally dull show "THE PRACTICE" in which he starred. Patrick Wilson simply does not have that immediate sense of moral that Spader has. Wilson is a blank slate. 2ND CHOICE: VAL KILMER (Fat, actually was Batman 10 years ago) Dr. Manhattan: PATRICK WILSON.. has an odd, almost otherworldy opaque & symmetrical face, good physique. Check out 1:35 into LITTLE CHILDREN; lit in blue. PERFECT. Jason Patric? Great in NARC but he is NO blue demi-god. Doug Jones would be pretty fascinating but how much would that cost? The Comedian: KURT RUSSELL Eddie Blake is basically Snake Plissken + Reaganomics taken to a violent philosophical extreme. Let's not forget that, despite poor choices in film projects, Russell CAN ACT> see: Ron Shelton's "DARK BLUE"; the dark he brought to that character was impressive in that he was entirely despicable but still sympathetic & oddly likeable. 2ND CHOICE: MEL GIBSON An inspired & interesting choice but in no way likely to happen. DOLPH LUNDGREN would be pretty inspired after that "Punishing.." comment. I like Thomas Jane, but as The Comedian? No (maybe in 15 years). Hiring Jane would be your first major misstep. Ozymandias/Adrian Veidt: JUDE LAW The golden boy. A pretty obvious choice..ALTHOUGH.. In a better world..TOM CRUISE Veidt is a character who, for the past 20 years, has been the most famous man on the planet, is OBSCENELY WEALTHY, thinks he knows what's best for the world. Arrogant as fuck. "..now you're just being smug, Drieberg". RORSCHACH: JACKIE EARLE HALEY While Buscemi is the obvious choice (could he still handle the physical stuff?) Haley is the inspired one. It is his old scrawny, kinda dirty unlikeability that (unfortunately) damned his career & it's the ONE thing that is capable of bringing Walter Kovacs to life. He was damn good in LITTLE CHILDREN too. HONORABLE MENTION: William H. Macy may as well have been the model for Rorschach 20 years ago (see HOUSE OF GAMES). SALLY JUPITER: SUSAN SARANDON Aged, damaged, & harbouring deep wounds. Any scene between her & Connelly will, by itself, finally decimate the awful preconception that comics are incapable of any taut or realistic emotional drama. OTHER NOTES: In the climax, do not go with the rumoured "satellite laser" to destroy NY. It would much be cooler & realistic to go with a genetically engineered sound frequency bomb (people with bloodied ears, smashed windows & the buildings would still be intact). Don't be afraid to use CLASSICAL MUSIC to help present the material as it deserves to be: epic, grand, tragic, & adult. Beethoven's "Symphony No. 7, Op. 92 Allegretto" has been the WATCHMEN theme, in my head, since I picked up the book 20 years ago. Zach, please remember that the movie already exists: frame to frame & panel to panel. All you've gotta do is cut the literary fat & film the book. This is ULYSSES, this is DAVID LEAN, this CHEKHOV, this is KUBRICK & KUROSAWA. Good luck!
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Anyone who ever even thought Butler would get cast as Rorschach is crazy. His schedule is way too full to have a main or even supporting role in this. He'll probably end up with a very small role in either the Black Freighter material (which will likely only appear on the DVD release) or as one of the Minuteman-era Watchmen. Snyder will squeeze him into the film somewhere, but he definitely won't be a main character.
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Buff him up and shave his head - he looks and sounds like the Doc should, and has that weird, ethereal detached quality needed. You know I'm right - har!
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C'mon - the Deez needs work - and don't forget how he made us all laugh in 1941 (the movie, not the year).
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Come on he looks like him, has the build. If only he wasn't already Dr Cox he would be perfect
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Two Words: SETH ROGEN, every role would be filled by Seth Fucking Rogen. Just like Eddie Murphy does in all his movies. Come on! Seth Fucking Rogen DESERVES to be a movie star! He's so talented he could easily be shoehorned into the Silk Spectre's diaphanous duds. Just use CGI and he'd be a fucking funny as fucking hell Dr. Manhattan. Think of the scene where he is triple teaming his wife and doing his taxes in the next room simultaneously... Hilarious! They could build some kind of animatronic cat-Rogen to play Bubastis! Ahhh, fuck-me-with-a-monkey-wrench THAT'S a movie I'd see.
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EVERY Watchmen TB is just going to consist of 'Dream Cast' lists.
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Look at his line of work from My Own Private Idaho to the Matrix. Good stuff! Who doesnt like Point Break??? I wish he was still in Watchmen, Jason Patrick is lame.
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...although it took me ten minutes to spell the name right. it would be cool to include the Freighter story if this was a series (as many of us have wished), but a feature length wouldn't suffer without it.
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That's the smart move. Jason Patric is a weird choice for Manhattan. His voice is completely wrong ... weedy and whiny. Give Patrick Wilson the Dr. Manhattan part and give the universal fan favorite for Nite Owl to John Cusack.
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Leave it out. It doesn't really serve that much purpose in the original Graphic Novel, to be honest. In a Novel already dripping with subtext and sub-plots, it adds nothing really new.<p> After having read Watchmen the first time all the way through, I actually skip the Black Freighter parts, and actually find them boring. There! I said it!
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No fucking way. Doesn't fit. I can't believe the people some talkbackers are suggesting...John C McGinley as Rorscach, Fred Ward as the Comedian? What are you guys smoking? Here's a good one: Jennifer Connelly as the Silk Spectre...
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GREAT CASTING IDEA! Love Frillon but he seems too young.
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Rorschach's Journal: A Comedian died last night brother, and nodbody cares. Nobody cares but me and the thousands of hulkamaniacs running wild!
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Fred Ward/Kurt Russell as Comedian would really rock! Out of left field I'd suggest BENICIO DEL TORO and TOM BERENGER as Comedian. VINCENT CASSEL as Rorschach. Word
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http://tinyurl.com/29smnm <p> And, I also, am not a big fan of the Black Pearl, I mean, Freighter parts. I understand its purpose, but the film really doesn't need it. Different medium.
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You know, I can really see someone like Bruce Willis or Mickey Roarke just go to town as the comedian.And Willis seems like the kind of guy who'll take roles for less money just because he digs the role. Of course the problem would be doing the flashbacks scenes.No way could either of them "play young" without some cgi help.
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*****I have never been too confident of them making this movie, and for a long time would almost have preferred that a film of it not be made, since a bad film would just leave a bad taste in the mouth. In any case, it is clear they are going ahead with this project, it is greenlit, Snyder is directing, and they will be shooting in the not-too-distant future. So, casting is an issue. *****My feeling is that they are tending to cast this too young. Part of the meaning of the story is that it is about middle-age. Essentially, this is a story about middle-aged superheroes cominng out of retirement to solve the mystery of the murder of one of their own. *****Jude Law, while a fan of the comics, seems too young to be Ozymandias/Veidt. He also has not shown me that he has any sense of menace and gravitas in his films. Veidt needs to be threatening, as well as super-intelligent, amongst other things. I would suggest an unknown actor named Jeffery Nordling. Check his page out on IMDB.com. He looks like Veidt dead-on. He is the right age, looks strangely youthful for his age (like Veidt), but doesn't look TOO young, like Law. Furthermore, the actor is a certified stage-fighter, which would help for the scenes where Veidt uses his superhuman martial arts abilities. I have only seen Nordling in a few roles, but it seems he can act, play menacing, and convey strong intelligence, as well as Veidt's smug superiority.******Other choices: I would suggest Gary Sinise for Rorschach. Sinise is the right age, short, wiry, a good actor, can play the driven psychosis of the character, and can probably do a good version of Rorschach's voice. Others have been mentioned: John C. McGinley...he is too tall, Rorschach is notably short, and it is a key to his character. Who is this guy Jackie Earle Haley? I have seen what he lloks like on IMDB, and he looks nothing like the Rorschach character. I am unimpressed with this choice.*****The Comedian: Tom Berenger basically WAS the Comedian in PLATOON. Whoever mentioned Michale Madsen--interesting idea. Kurt Russell could play the character. I suppose Gerard Butler looks enough like the Eddie Blake character to play the part as well, but they will need to put some aging make-up or effects on him for the modern-day version of the Comedian, because Butler is, again, like so many of the actors mentioned, too young on the face of it to play a middle-aged, or older, superhero (remember, for example, that Blake fought in World War II, and the WATCHMEN modern-day story takes place in the 1980s, forty years later).*****Nite Owl II/Dan Dreiburg: My original thought for this character was Jeff Bridges, who can play both heroic AND hangdog. Dreiburg's arc in the story is basically a former hero who quit, got middle-aged, soft, and pathetic, and then is reborn as a hero. It is pretty much the human heart of the story, along with the romance with Laurie/Silk Spectre II. The actor who plays Dreiburg has to be able to convincely play both pathetic AND heroic. Tough role. I thought Bridges would be great at it. Others have mentioned John Cusack for many years. Cusack is an excellent actor, but I always felt he was too young for the role. Time may have caught up with him on this, though. Cusack himself is now roughly 40 years old. He could convicingly play Dreiburg now, in my opinion. Remember, Dreiburg is not as old as the Comedian. Cusack would be a good choice for Nite Owl, at this point.*****Doctor Manhattan/Jon Osterman: I always thought that William Hurt would be a good choice for this role in terms of personality and acting ability. I would look at Hurt's performance as the scientist in Spielberg's A.I. as a good example of why Hurt would excell as Osterman. Hurt might be too old for the eternally young Dr. Manhattan, but frankly, the Dr. Manhattan musculature and blue coloring will likely be CGI. Hurt could simply wear a motion capture suit. The key to Manhattan will be his voice, his personality, and his non-verbal face and body language. Hurt would do very well at these, I think. And, unlike say the Silver Surfer, Dr. Manhattan his not actually a very physical role. Even when he is using his powers, Osterman is generally just standing there pointing his hand at someone. The physical effort would not be too demanding. William Hurt would be great, I think.*****Laurie J./Silk Spectre II: I always thought that Julianne Moore would be great in this role. She is the right age, is a good actress, is smart AND funny (Laurie is pretty good with the wise-cracks), she looks passably like the character, and would be a good match for either of the actors I have mentioned for Dreiburg, which is key for chemistry, since the Dreiburg/Laurie romance is fairly central to the story.*****I guess that covers tha main WATCHMEN characters. Supporting cast? Whoever mentioned Susan Sarandon for Sally Jupiter/Silk Spectre I: that is an excellent idea. Sarandon could wear aging make-up for the scenes where she plays the aged Sally Jupiter, and be CGIed to look like the Sally Jupiter in her twenties for the flashback scenes. My original idea was Faye Dunaway, but Susan Sarandon is a great choice.*****Nite Owl I/Hollis Mason: James Garner was one of my original thoughts. Someone mentioned Martin Landau, which is a good idea, although Landau might come off a bit too higher-class; Hollis Mason is kind of a blue-collar type, which Garner typifies a bit better, in my opinion.*****Whoever mentioned Clancy Brown for Hooded Justice: that seems like a pretty good choice. I had never envisioned anyone in particular until I read that suggestion.*****For Moloch: I thought Christopher Walken would be a good choice. Other ideas are Gary Oldman of John Hurt.*****For Rorschach's psychiatrist: Forest Whitaker.*****
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How can a guy that hasn't read Watchmen work for aintitcoolnews, isn't that like a priest who has never read the bible?
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Yes, you can put make-up on an actor to make him or her LOOK older, but, in most cases, someone who is in their twenties just looks LIKE A SILLY KID PLAYING GROWN-UP in weird make-up. Unless someone is a superior actor, the whole young-person playing mature person USUALLY just comes off as silly (see Dustin Hoffman in LITTLE BIG MAN for a movie where it actually works, in part to great make-up, in other part to highly skilled acting). These older characters must come off as genuinely older, with the according gravitas or what-have-you. For most young actors, this can be tough to pull off, and when it doesn't work, can be disasterous to a film. I think it is a better idea to cast proven actors of an appropriate age, and use CGI to "de-age" them for thgeir flashback scenes. Look at how effective it was (visually) in that early scene in X-Men 3 (whatever else you might feel about that movie). Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan are both great actors, and they both came off perfectly as younger versions of themselves. In the WATCHMEN story, many of the flashbacks scenes that are portrayed are critical to the story, but frankly the duration of these scenes is nothing compared to the duration of the present-day scenes. Wouldn't it makes sense to cast an actor based upon how he or she should look for the bulk of the modern-day scenes, and then to digitally "de-age" them for the few key flashback scenes they are in (or, heaven forbid, cast a young look-alike for those few key scenes, which is a fairly time-tested tradition in Hollywood films)? As I stated in my prior post, the fact that these characters are middle-aged is a key part of the theme of the story. I would much rather see a bunch of age-appropriate adults ACTING their age as opposed to a bunch of kids running around in silly "old-age" make-up. That's just my take on it. Your experience may vary.
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Waaaay much better than Jason Patric... he always seem asleep, don't have the fine acting skills required for Jon Osterman nor the physical perfection required for Doc Manhattan... Patrick Wilson, on the other hand, is waaay to handsome and athletic for Dan Dreiberg... I agree isn't a bad choice, his face has some resemblance to Dreiberg has drawed by Gibbons, and if he is willing to pack some weight and let himself go it could be convincing... whatever role Wilson gets, Jason Patric is totally wrong for Doc Manhattan.
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I don't know how someone can start by saying, "I've never such and such"...and then follow it with "but here's my thoughts in the subject." Huh?
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Ain't nothing wrong with a new casting suggestion. The man looks like Jon, talks like Jon, and feels like Jon. Are you in God Hands?
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because I'd love to see him get bigger work. Sorry Jackie :(. Even though this would be a completely different context, I don't think I could shake the Little Children role out of my head whenever I see him. Same with Dylan Baker and Happiness.
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I am an ancient and wise sage. And by kids, I (mainly) meant in the context of the story. Someone in their (early) thirties is YOUNG. Have you read WATCHMEN? It is about MIDDLE-AGED superheroes coming out of retirement to face a mysterious threat. That is part of the main theme of the whole damned story. It is not about youthful people running around in their prime. It is about people running out of time. Part of the pathos and drama is in seeing a washed-up 50 year old guy with a paunch put on his old costume, get back in gear, and become a HERO again. To go from vaguely sad and pathetic to triumphant. Children need not apply. And by the way: Rupert Grint? Rupert Grint is a teenager. There is no role for him in WATCHMEN, except for perhaps a 30-second flashback for when Rorschach was a kid. Rorschach is very fit middle-aged man. He is no teen-ager. On another note, the character we are referring to for Susan Sarandon was a hero in the 1940s, and is a senior citizen in a retirement home during most of the story. I don't know about you, but Susan Sarandon is galactically hot for a woman her age, which is appropriate for this character, because the character was a pin-up in her youth (have you seen any films with Ms. Sarandon in her early career? I suggest seeing her in THE HUNGER.) Also, regarding her acting ability, I believe Ms. Sarandon has an Oscar, but I guess they don't count so much to Internet Wizards such as yourself, being artifacts of a more bygone age that only those such as I, and other Ancients, can appreciate. In any case, thank you for your comments. Give the Rupert Grint Fan Club my regards.
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Oh, don't be silly or defensive. My tongue was in my cheek for most of my post. If you want my response on the "Age Issue" in filming WATCHMEN, scroll upwards to my previous post of a similar title. *****Oh, and I AM both ancient (by your standards) and wise (by my own standards). I am sadly, no longer 34, but was when I started posting on AICN many, many years ago now. Given the slightly feverish nature of your response, I am certain that you are far, far closer to sixteen than I am, which is fine. *****As a middle-aged guy myself, I would not completely discount the older generation that makes up the Academy. Sure, they might not be anywhere near the cutting edge nowadays, but it is the folly of youth to assume that elder-types are completely clueless. After all, once, not too long ago, they WERE the folks on the cutting edge, that produced the great films of THEIR day. One day we will be old, and the young hotheads will be dismissing anything we might have done. Pay some respect now, cause one day we might be there. So, the Oscars "lost their importance"? Don't tell me that you're such a hotshot young filmmaker that you'd turn down an Oscar? Such hubris. What would you prefer, an MTV Award? Admittedly, it is a far more entertaining awards show, if you bother to watch such things. But that's because the awards don't matter, and everyone is free to have fun. Only the important awards shows are boring, because everyone takes them very fucking seriously.**** As far Susan Sarandon goes: the role of Sally Jupiter is not Lady-fricking-MacBeth. Sarandon would be perfectly fine for it. She was good in DEAD MAN WALKING, she was funny in ROCKY HORROR, and she was hot in THE HUNGER. She doesn't need to be able to do rocket science to play this role. And, if you don't find her attractive, fine, but I challenge you to watch THE HUNGER (a somewhat dated 80s movie) and say you didn't get wood. She has excellent tits (and I usually don't make comments like that online about anyone, but I am trying to make a point, ie, Susan Sarandon IS hot, and you are missing it because you are just too young to get it and you are probably hopped up on the girl who play Hermione Granger, who is probably closer to you're age). Anyway, I am not hell-bent on Susan Sarandon playing Sally Jupiter; I just think it's a good idea.*****I'm glad you've made so much effort to study WATCHMEN. I knew Moore was a genius as soon as I read MIRACLEMAN. As a young guy, I was thunderstruck by that book, and I avidly read WATCHMEN as it came out issue by issue back in the 80s, when I was probably nearer to your age. I re-read WATCHMEN every year or two. Great stuff. I'm a huge Alan Moore fan, although I think he went off the deep end with his whole "I'm a sorceror now" thing, which is his business, but I think it has negatively affected his writing.******I still don't agree with your Rupert Grint thinking, but we shall just have to agree to disagree.*****If you want to have more in-depth discussion about casting, WATCHMEN, etc, feel free to read my prior posts in the Talkback for discussion material. I will probably be going off-line for the day soon, though, but I usually check my AICN posts at least every couple of days (if not more often), so I will respond if you do bother to post something. I appreciate intelligent discussion on any topic, and WATCHMEN is a real favorite topic.
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Some funny stuff in your post. I DID think the Rupert Grint comment was serious becuase I do not read these boards very closely unless I start to get into a real discussion. I don't keep close track of who said what, etc. I'm here to amuse myself, mainly. Also, I haven't slept much, having done an all-nighter to prepare a presentation that was done earlier today. I went online to chill out and occupy myself until it was late enough to go to sleep. Anyway, From a cursory scan, I thought you might really be some foolish kid who got a bee in his bonnet and for some reason thought Rupert Grint should play Rorscach in a movie. There are kids on the Internet, and you have to be careful not to crush their dreams or talk down to them too much. So, I initially thought I was dealing with someone who didn't have a clue. As a JOKE Rupert Grint makes sense, of course, but sarcasm doesn't translate well in print. There is no tone of voice in print, and I initially thought you were some misguided young Harry Potter fan. I figured I would lend some education. Clearly I was mistaken. I didn't see the Ernest Borgnine post prior. Funny. Anyway, see you around the boards, if you ever want to have a WATCHMEN discussion (I have some reactions to your views on the Oscars, but I will quit now because I am too god-damned tired).
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