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A Couple Of TRANSFORMERS Reviews For You!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. Get ready, because I think the dam’s about to break on this one, and we’re going to see a ton of TRANSFORMERS reviews in the next few weeks. There are screenings in LA this weekend, and then that big public premiere in a few weeks. It’s going to be interesting to see what people who aren’t deeply attached to the original cartoon make of this one. Everyone I’ve talked to who has seen it so far has been pretty excited by what they’ve seen, fans and non-fans alike. So we’ll see...

I got a chance to see a screening of Transformers this week and it was much better than I was expecting. I will start by saying that the plot is paper-thin but it doesn't even matter. The effects in this movie are probably the best I've seen. The line between reality and CG is seamless. (Think back to the first time you saw Jurassic Park, then, advance the technology 13 years) Props to Shia LaBeouf who plays Sam the lovable dork. I've never liked this kid in anything but he holds it all together here and brings a lot of humor to the table and sells it. I'm actually looking forward to him in the next Indy movie. Speaking of humor, there is a lot of it in the movie. Luckily, it's mostly displayed by the human characters-so cut Optimus some slack for saying "My bad" after breaking a ceramic vase in Sam's backyard. (Funny how The Thing uses the same lame line in an ad for the new FF4) Other than that, the Autobots are very serious and pretty much all business when it comes to taking on the Decepticons. I liked how even some of the Autobots wonder why they can't just do away with the pesky humans but Optimus insists that have as much a right to live as they do. Bumble Bee and Optimus Prime are the focus here and really the only two that warrant emotional investment. Especially Bumble Bee. He becomes Sam's protector and is given a personality of his own. It's funny when he changes the radio station for songs to create a mood between Sam and to-be girlfriend Mikaela (Megan Fox). Bumble Bee and Barricade are involved in the first robot on robot battle that begins with an extended car-chase sequence. Watching Bumble Bee emerge out of a plume of smoke being followed by Barricade with all of the music and revving engines and squealing tires is chill-inducing. Great stuff! When the secret government agency Sector 7 catches Bumble Bee and is holding him down with wires, he looks to Sam with puppy-dog-like electronic eyes and it is sad, man. Think back to when E.T gets taken away by the masked bad guys. There are other elements of the movie that will take you back and make you feel like a kid again. Mostly due in part to the awe-inspiring CG and the aura of cool surrounding the whole idea of bad-ass cars and planes transforming realistically into giant robots and kicking ass. I think Bay pokes fun at his own image a few times and I didn't even mind him using the getting-old-very-quickly theme that accompanied Lucy Liu's posse walk in Kill Bill as Bumble Bee changes his exterior from old, rusty Camaro to a shiny 2007 model. But, let's be honest folks, someone like Michael Bay HAD to direct this kind of movie. Or do you want to see another Ang Lee/Hulk debacle? Megan Fox as Mikaela will draw ire from female viewers (jealousy) but the guys will love her even though most of her dialogue is drivel and she serves almost no purpose other than the unlikely love interest. (She reminded me of a younger, hotter Sheryl Crow) I don't remember too much from the original cartoon but I think there was a cube that had something to do with the whole Transformers story. Because here, the cube is part of the main plot. The cube and a pair of old glasses worn by Sam's Grandfather. Yup, a cube and eyeglasses. Unfortunately, Megatron is kept frozen by Sector 7 until about the last quarter of the movie. They explain that almost all of earth's current technology derived from studying Megatron since he was discovered frozen in ice in the 1930's. Once he is finally in action, there is a cool sequence in which all of the Decepticons respond to his call and their language is translated so we can see what they are saying, like, "Barricade en route," etc. There's no time to focus on Starscream's head-butting with Megatron for superiority but Megatron does yell at him saying something to the effect of "Once again, you have failed me." I can't forget to mention the boombox robot. When I first heard about this "iPod" robot, I thought it would be cool. Some of it is, but for the most part, he's for the kids - especially while sneaking off of the plane and he puts his hand up to shield his face to evade police who are walking ALL OVER THE PLACE! Very silly. Despite the faults, and there are many, I did not mind one bit. This is summer eye candy through and through with a heavy dose of testosterone. The transforming is usually done quick but several of the introductory transformations are slow so you can see all of the detail that goes into it. Especially Optimus' first transformation. So damn cool. Watch the detail of Optimus' slo-mo punch into Bonecrusher's face and you'll see his eye hyper-extending from the power of the blow. I didn't actually see Megatron's arm cannon, but I was told that he used it once. I'll be amazed if it doesn't win best special f/x at the next Oscars. John Turturro as a Sector 7 agent is delightfully (and randomly) over the top. Anthony Anderson is brought in for more comic relief and most of it works but it's a little overdone. It's okay though, both the Autobots and Decepticons take their battle so seriously that the humor is balanced. In a classic Michael Bay move, a team of genius students (wink to Bruce Willis' team in Armageddon) are brought in to decipher an unknown sound that was emitted during Blackout's attack on the army base in Qatar at the beginning. Man, Blackout lays the place to waste! The sound is going to amaze you from this scene and all of the other action sequences. Amazing sound. The final battle sequence in the city streets is cool but some of the action here (and in other scenes) is so fast that it's hard to distinguish who is who, who is good, who is bad and what's happening. I think that's why I missed Megatron's arm cannon. Adults and kids are going to like this movie which is why I see it making a bazillion dollars. It's far better than any of the Big Three sequels that have come and gone already. Speaking of sequels, of course they left room for one. Most of the Transformers survive-good and bad. Not much story here, but the effects and sounds are unlike anything we've seen before-it's mesmerizing. I give it a 9 out of 10. P.S. If you post this, please don't use my username – the Memflix effect, ya know? You can use.....Saint Hubbins

This one’s a little shorter, from someone I’ve known for a while. More a reaction than a review:

Hi Drew: I attended a Transformers press screening. I enjoyed the movie a lot for what it was -- a summer action movie directed by Michael Bay, based on a line of toys and a silly animated cartoon. It certainly is a Michael Bay film -- whether that is a good thing or not is up to you -- but all of Bay's signature directorial moves are there. The same bombastic music and musical cues he always uses, the illogical chases (run the bad guy's so close!, jumpcut, the bad guy is inexplicably gone), the crazy authority figure (John Turturro, in his worst role I have seen), the nonstop-shouting-as-witty-dialogue, and, of course, great production values and effects. The biggest difference from the animated series is the addition of a rather odd MacGuffin ("the cosmic cube" or whatever the hell it was) that is not explained very well. And I could nitpick a bunch of things. But I do not think that would be fair to the movie. It is what it is -- big, loud, eye-popping fun. The robots look great. Megan Fox looks great. The characters are surprisingly well fleshed out (for a Bay action film). Despite being 140 minutes long, the film did not drag at all (not like Spider-Man 3 or Pirates 3 did). In short, the best stupid movie I have seen this summer. Feel free to add my post to your site if you would like.... but please do not include where I saw the film... and do not mention my name. Call me "Haisan." Cheers! - Haisan
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  • June 16, 2007, 2:59 a.m. CST

    first

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    f42 sucks

  • June 16, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Screw this

    by Otto Parts

    Where's my frickin' Care Bears movie?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Hey, third positive review!

    by Playkins

    Haters will have a hard time justifying themselves.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST

    I CANT FUCKING WAIT FOR THIS

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    pirates 3 was good(dragged in the middle though) and im looking to add another summer movie to the list.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah bro?

    by Darth__Moa

    Mean Maori Mean. Sounds like it'll be mint. Should get on the chop and go watch it while ya maggot then it'll never fail to please.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST

    best stupid film of the summer

    by lionbiu

    Hooray!!! I think I'll just watch Rataouille and wait for Bourne Ultimatum.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:14 a.m. CST

    A BIG FUCK YOU TO ALL THE HATERS!!

    by bongo123

    ive yet to see one shit review for the movie you wankers have done nothing but diss from day 1.... i laugh in your face you cretins HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! your most hated director has hit this one outa the ballpark and your flames on optimus/tino bullshit G1 crybaby fucking antics have all been for nothing... DONT YOU ALL LOOK FUCKING STUPID NOW YOU WANKERS! flame on dickheads!

  • June 16, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST

    best stupid movie of the year > popcorn movie

    by jingle_balls

    so giant robots from outer space is stupid, yet we can believe a spider biting someone makes him shoot web from his wrists, pirates that cant die, bruce willis can drill a hole in an asteroid o save the world. im beginning to think people are finding strange reasons to compare movie. MOST MOVIES ARE STUPID!

  • June 16, 2007, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Now that they've jumpstarted the franchise...

    by CaptainGilgore

    they can pick a REAL director for Transformers 2. Let's face it, Bay was about as safe a choice as you could make. You knew he could handle a big set and special effects. You knew it would be loud. And maybe he'd do some stupid shit, but the Transformers name would override that. So who's your pick for the next director? I say give it to David Fincher or one of those Mexican directors. ---- I think it's funny that Bay admitted to knowing nothing about the Transformers when he took the job. But then once he got it he went to, da da daaaaa, "Transformers School". Oooh, he must've done a lot of research for that! With that moron's ultra-advanced form of A.D.D., he probably watched one and a half episodes of the cartoons and then had one of his assitants play with the toys for an hour and write a report for him. What a joke.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Trailer was just too good...

    by forgot_old_username

    These reviews have provided a reality check. It is just a big dumb Michael Bay film based on a toy after all. The sheer beauty of the footage in the trailer lead me hope that there was something special about this film. It's kind of reassuring to be reminded that this films is basically just Pearl Harbour with giant toys.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Sequel= Zombie Optimus vs Starscream's Ghost

    by PacmanFever

    Did you know they actually made a toy of Starscream's Ghost?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Reeks of compost

    by darrenspool

    I'm sick of these fake reviews. You can tell so easily. They never mention anything new. Nothing about the action sequences or how monstrous the transformers are. Their vocals. I hate this crap! They're freakin PLANTS!

  • June 16, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Obviously...

    by Redfive!

    Neither review is an original Transformers fan,both didnt seem to know what The Energon Cube was there opinion means ZERO. Im sure this film looks great,actually I know it does but is it true to the Transformers,doesnt seem like it,I guarantee this film gets looked apon like I,Robot or ID4 in years to come.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Here's hoping Transformers--Potter--Die Hard...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    ...Make for alot more fun at the multiplex than Spiderman, Pirates, and Shrek did. Which wouldn't be too hard since all three of the "threes" were overblown let downs (least to me). I'm actually far more jazzed about the movies to come then what's been tossed at us so far. And I don't care what the purists say about flames or continuity changes and so on -- TRANSFORMERS looks like the perfect summer geek film that the little kid in us has been jonesing for all year long.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    jeez....i hope this does not start the old tf tb hatin

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    again, 'cause I'm fed up with it. We know it sucks 'cause of Bay, flames, busy designs and whatnot. Now, move along and let us enjoy TRANSFORMERS.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    MUCH assembly required

    by Howling_Fantods

    ... ...because the movie sucks. It's a sad state when CG robots are more believable than human characters. Seriously, it was a mess. And I really set the bar low before going into this screening. A few good robot battles here & there, that's if you could process what was happening on screen. The design of the robots wasn't substantial enough. Many times you couldn't make out who was fighting who, what was going on, why do I even give a shit at this point? And this humor the reviewers are talking about...awful. not funny. didn't laugh once. Strike that, when Megatron says "disgusting" as he flicks an injured bystander...apart from that, lame.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Megan Fox

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is hot.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    nerds arguing = heroin for Wonka

    by BadMrWonka

    and I'm back off the wagon...

  • June 16, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    Hate this film all you want BUT..!

    by CeejayNightwing

    It's going to be the biggest film of the year either way and you'll only wnd up being part of the tail-enders who "eventually" get around to watching it in its dying weeks in a less spectacular cinema screen with less spectacualr sound system. All you so called Transformers fans who are still holding some misguided loyalty to a 80's cartoon show as if its some holy grail are kidding yourself if you think you can go the whole summer without watching this film. The cartoon is ridiculous but we let all the silly stuff pass us by becasue we were young, the story in this film makes ten times more sense and the effects are stunning. GO SEE IT!

  • June 16, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST

    WTF IS TINO?

    by boogy110

    SOME EXPLAIN THAT TO ME PLEASE. OH, IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE ABOUT A TOY!!!!! JUST ENJOY THE FUCKING THING AND STOP THINKING OF IT AS A WORK OF ART. STOP BITCHING ABOUT BAY!!! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU WANT DIRECTING, FORD COPPOLA???? GET A LIFE!

  • June 16, 2007, 4:49 a.m. CST

    TINO MEANS TRANSFORMERS IN

    by lionbiu

    TINO MEANS TRANSFORMERS IN NAME ONLY!! I find the Transformer fans to be psychos, but these reviews just confirm what I already assumed...the reason no reviewer has talked about the plot is because there isn't one. Its just CGI and I feel that ILM should be congratualted on that not Bay. Why can't we have great action with a good storyline?!?! It's like they are incompatible now. And no excuses like 'its a summer popcorn flick' I bought into that excuse and had to watch the painstakingly rubbish Pirates 3 and Spiderman 3.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Fuck you Paramount

    by watashi-wa

    The UK doesn't get this movie until July 27th, which means I'm going to have to work really hard to avoid any spoilers for three weeks or so in order to actually enjoy the fucking movie.<p> Seriously - why in fuck's name is there such a delay between the US and UK releases? Is there any logical, sensible or even STATED reason for this?<p> So, again, FUCK YOU PARAMOUNT!

  • June 16, 2007, 4:59 a.m. CST

    yeah the UK release is so delayed

    by lionbiu

    Most will have already downloaded it on bittorrent or something. Plus its released on the same weekend as The Simpsons Movie so it wont make nearly as much as it would have if released around July 4th.

  • June 16, 2007, 5 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi

    by watashi-wa

    Yeah, it was made in America, that's all well and good, but if that's the reason, then why do, say Austria, Holland and Russia all get it on the same day as the USA? Fuck Paramount.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Bunch of wankers

    by jfp2007

    Bay made this exactly like anyone else would have. Ever watched a TF cartoon. This movie is what those were. Lots of action, effects, and minimal plot.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Remember the good ole days...

    by TinSpider

    When plot, storytelling and FX could all exist in a film. So far I've read quite a few 'no plot, but great FX' reviews for this film.. Not that everyone getting cashback from this will give a fuck what with almost every product available in the world having a fucking transformers logo plastered on it. I know the original was basicly a huge advert for toys, but for fucks sake. Talk about overkill.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Transformers went beyond..

    by TinSpider

    the shitty cartoon and the toys. The comics established a more darker serious tone with some good writing. So fuck off with your 'what do you want from a cartoon' There's far more source material available than a kids show.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Society is eating itself

    by IndustryKiller!

    Nothing more can be said about this debacle.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:27 a.m. CST

    And Mori you should be ashamed of yourself

    by IndustryKiller!

    After your brilliant idea with the write ups of memories from '82 in an effort to spark the imagination of the old days you simultaneously justify and make excuses for Michael bays crusade for dumbing down cinema as we know it. Sad my friend.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by TinSpider

    word.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Triffid!

    by CuervoJones

    Plant!

  • June 16, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Australia No. 1

    by Maclovin

    It was made in the US... but Australia gets it on June 28th, mwahaha...

  • June 16, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Aint it suck.

    by Thylacine

    Sure the movie is a baaaaaaad movie with insulting female stereotypes, lame plot devices, zero character development, and a lazy director- but teh 'splosion make my cock bigger. These reviews suck Megatron's ice-packed vagina dentata. Quit making excuses for crap films. This could have been cool- but by the news, it’s not.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Mori, that first review was bursting with Chlorophyll:

    by newc0253

    but i'm still gonna see this thing in theatres regardless.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Ratatouille will make more money.

    by Thylacine

    Notice how they mixed CG and story- and somehow got a good movie? Pixar gonna kick TINO's ass.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:01 a.m. CST

    How the HELL are you people swallowing this?!

    by Horseflesh

    Must be practice. Christ I haven't seen a review yet that didn't mention flaw after flaw followed by "BUT I FUCKIN LOVED IT!". Harry has taught you all to love the smell of dog farts.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Industry Killer...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I'm not making excuses for Bay's film. I haven't seen Bay's film. But the people I know who have seen it seem to be digging it. Of course, Harry loved FANTASTIC FOUR 2, and I thought it was rancid cheese. Who knows what I'll say when I see the movie? I'm just reporting what I'm hearing so far. Relax. If I don't like it, I'll be perfectly happy saying so. And if I do, it won't be because I think it's "acceptably stupid." Have you ever heard me be a Bay apologist in the past ten years? The man won't even speak to me when we are in the same room because he's so sure I hate his work.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by watashi-wa

    fancy asking them why the UK doesn't get it til July 27th? ;)<p> (In all seriousness, I would love to know if there's any excuse for this sort of thing nowadays. It surely can't be to do with rating or anything like that.)

  • June 16, 2007, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Come on. This will be fun!!!

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    You know some movies are meant to be fun to watch. Independance Day, Swordfish, and now Transformers. Fun, fun, fun.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Is he right Mori?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Because I cannot think of a single reason after The Rock why you shouldn't hate his work. The mother fucker absolutely delights in promoting the absolute worst that overblown American culture has to offer. Standing as a hero to the douche bags who would rather eat lead than sit through something "pretentious". All too willing to cater to the "Average filmgoer" who is already so fat on terrible cinema that every day it seems more and more likely they have lost any barometer for telling the difference. Single handedly shirking criticism by turning the fact that his product is garbage into an asset with the non-argument "he does what he does very well". The irony of that statement is that it's dead wrong. His films look expensive sure, but his overreliance on quick cut editing is a tell tale sign of a hack action director. Character? Fuck character. Even know it's the ingredient EVERY SINGLE good action film has. It's not even arguable that Michael Bay is bad for anyone who truly enjoys movies. There is literally nothing to like about the man, but he seems to have launched an almost teflon Bushesque image in which everything that he does so deadly wrong only cements his status further to the squirming masses underneath him. It's pathetic and scary that people just love to be so willingly gullible.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:37 a.m. CST

    funny

    by slkboxrman

    ...how phoenixmagi mumbles and rambles on in one sentence posts just like that stupid ninja giy does.....do i smell a 2nd name ? get banned or something...also funny how any positive reviewer instantly gets branded a "PLANT" ..god forbid the movie is actually good..all the haters would simultaneouly have coronaries and die from shock...the movie WILL rock and WILL be great...you want a good story, read a book, a real book...transformers, cartoon, comic or otherwise never had a good story....the comics were the worst....and NO NO NO NO i dont want no mexican directing the sequel....if this one breaks records , bay deserves the sequel or sequels....funny how no one mentioned how the first reviewer said most of the transformer, good and bad survive...but the haters prob just ignored it and called him a plant because it contradicts the "leaked" sript they all read last year ...this movie will rock, break records , and kick spiderman and pirates ass....no one will touch it....guarantee

  • June 16, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Holy shit, IndustryKiller! nailed it!

    by Horseflesh

    Bay is the George Bush of Hollywood directors!! It doesn't matter how bad he fucks up or pisses all over what is right and good, some people are gonna wave that flag anyways and scream "But we're winning!" All while the man hates them in silence.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST

    industry killer

    by slkboxrman

    if u want to "truly enjoy movies"....watch lifetime, they have tons of character and story driven movies and TV shows for your very obvious sensitive side... real men and real transfans want to see explosions and giant robots kickin ass..... armageddon was very character driven and was a great story...wasnt all special effects, so beyond "the rock" he did have several movies that were great...as much as it may kill u, box office receipts determine a movie or a directors success...and as far as i know all of his movies, including pearl harbor made major green....who cares if he aint touchy feely enuf with your childhood...get a hanky and cry.....im surprised u dont recommend woody allen direct the sequel...

  • June 16, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST

    tigh-fighter

    by slkboxrman

    of course it wil be fun... these haters dont want fun....they want to be touched deep in their childhood souls.....they want to cry and hold a candle in the air as their daddy optimus prime talks...waaa waaa.....also of note for all u frank welker fans that say he was the only one that should be megatron...i think all the haters would be surprised to know he only voiced megatron for 23 episodes while someone else did the majority of the eps...dont believe me ? check IMDB......but you are right , movies are supposed to be fun, and a transformers movie should be fun..and most of these serious fans in here are first to say how they beat off to megan fox whenever they get the chance....so eye candy is ok as long as its wankable, i guess..

  • June 16, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Megan Fox = "younger, hotter Sheryl Crow?"

    by tylerzero

    What the hell kind of beer goggles is that reviewer looking at Sheryl Crow through? Apples and oranges, apples and oranges.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller! sour milk, table for 1

    by Mr_X

    really you are such a fucking whiny bitch. fuck off and let other who want to watch the movie do so without your constant fucking bullshit.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    slkboxrman

    by lionbiu

    what a load of crap, although I do agree industrykiller is getting far to emotional over a film which had nothing to go by but a stupid cartoon. I dont think anyone asking for stories or character should be ridiculed...matter of fact I think the opposite while losers who can enjoy a film for explosions and big robots should be made sterile.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    I call plant. Nothing about the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS?

    by PUSSY ON OPTIMUS

    Oh, how convenient that the most highly rendered, least blocky, and most realistic set of a female genitals ever on a CG robot that isn't designed to sell toys like its 80's predecessor goes unmentioned in this and all other reviews posted on this site so far. Seriously, there's a lot people lining up to take off their pants, turn off their brains, eat some popcorn, and watch stuff blowup, but the most relevant CG rendering of our era has been masked in shadow by Bay, Murphy, and the studios (probably Harry too). What's the big secret? All everyone wants to know is if the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS is really deserving of all the hype. If it underperforms in this film, don't make excuses for it, just be up front about it.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    craaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

    by foree forehead

    even these "good" reviews basically call the movie a plotless pile of shit.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Both of these reviewers can fuck off.

    by LordEnigma

    Seriously, if I want to read people trying to review above their pay grade. I will go read Slate. Seriously brahs...Seriously. Yep, feel that reference, but it's not a MACGUFFIN. It's what this entire TRILOGY OR SAGA will be based off of in the future. They believe they are at an end. When really...this is just the beginning.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    I give up!

    by tile_mcgillus

    Those reviews say the same fucking thing as all the rest. Bad script, cool special effects! I could have written that same review on day fucking two of the transformers overhype machine. Fine, whatever I get it now. I get it. <P> Apaarently I WAS asking for too much when I said there should be a good script. Well, shame on me. SHAME! <p> There is something wrong here. I don't know what it is. It might be the stench of lowered expectations...or the sweet refreshing scent of take what you can get. Those things are the things that bother me. It is like the TBers at AICN have just given up. We the "rabid ferrets in a sack" are letting a movie pass on some flimsy shit. <p> You think Bay can make a cut where he just cuts out the 80% of the movie that sucks (All the positive reviews say so) and features the cool robots killing each other? Doubt it. I could be out of the theatre in a half hour...

  • June 16, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    This movie smells of Wensleydale cheese!!

    by football

    Greats effects: TICK. No plot: TICK. Terrible actors: TICK. Terrible director: TICK. Movie game tie-ins: TICK. Unfunny cheesey dialogue: TICK. Avoid this shit at all costs: TICK

  • June 16, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Boy, they sure are afraid of getting fired

    by Kragmose

    Yup

  • June 16, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    What is a good Transformers script?

    by theyreflockingthisway

    To be honest I'd say the best you can do is the relationship between Sam (Spike) and Bumblebee as his first car like in the film. <br><br> I've read every Transformers comic, seen the TV series and the animated movie and I honestly can't think of a single story that'd make a decent movie script. <br><br> The story for the original movie was awful - Unicron attacks Cybertron then he's defeated. It then goes on to claim this marks a new era of peace with no possible basis for why that would occur. <br><br> Some of the comic stories were good, especially the likes of Target 2006, but none of them would make a decent movie (maybe as a sequel, but not an origin story). <br><br> Oh and to address the issues this should have been set on Cybertron with no (or minimal) humans like the original movie - no one would get that except hardcore fans. The appeal is they turn into Earth vehicles so they need to be on Earth to do that. <br><br> I think people should stop complaining about the story - it's Transformers and I think the story I've heard this movie is about is about one of the best they can do. I mean look at ET - all the script is about is a boy who befriends and alien that wants to "phone home". The movie itself is a completely different experience and you know there's a lot more to it than the basic plot.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:13 a.m. CST

    All this ANGER makes me laugh!

    by Captain RawBeard

    Seriously guys, you are all going to burst a blood vessel if you dont chill out, Take a Deep Breath and say to yourself its only a Movie. If I don't like the look of it I wont go see it. Theres no point in getting myself worked up for it. <br> <br> Personally I am looking forward to it, No I am no a Bay apologist but quite frankly I cant think of another director who could handle the explosive action that this film requires. <br> Dont know why the first Reviewer said the Ang Lee Hulk was a debacle. Seeing as it is one of best Comic Book adaptations. But then again I am not going to stress myself out over it.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    I LOVE MICHAEL BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    He's like the AntiChrist. He inspires so much hate.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    MICHAEL BAY IS THE MOTHERFUCKIN ANTICHRIST!!!!

    by lost.rules

    Him, or Harry Potter. Can't decide who?

  • June 16, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    erm

    by lionbiu

    I dont think its the fact that the plot is illogical or stupid but the fact that with a talented director it could still be executed well. We have seen about 10 reviews for Transformers on AICN and none of them had anything to do with the plot or characters...every single one of them have said that the plot is badly executed or just plain sucks and the acting is terrible but there is alot of explosions and fighting robots so all is forgiven. So I expect Transformers to open HUGE and than drop out of sight within a week.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    I still have a question

    by BL Chick

    Does Starscream still sound like a pissy drag queen or not? As a G1 fan, I want to know.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    When does this movie come out?

    by lost.rules

    6/26/07?

  • June 16, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    HA!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well, that first review reads like a plant going through a goddamn checklist. The second review (or "reaction") reads like the guy was too lazy to put any effort into it = probably not a franchise fan. These types of reviews are meaningless, IMHO.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Keep paying to see stupid movies...

    by KillDozer

    and that's all you're going to get. Enjoy your PG-13 CGI demo reel, real men. If you feel a little empty afterwards, try renting Robocop. You get to see robots fighting and explosions, plus there's an actual good plot. Oh, and they can say "fuck" and even show blood and breasts.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Sigh

    by DrPeterVenkman

    All these "glowing" reviews are just further cementing my disappointment. I have no problem with going to see a movie about giant fucking robots. I just wish they didn't have to destroy the Transformers property to do it. I wish they would get a hold of something the TF apologists love (Rainbow Brite, My Little Pony) and make a crappy movie out of it, so they could feel my pain. <p> So enjoy your generic mindless, indecipherable ass kicking robot, retarded joke-making, no plot summer popcorn flick. <p> DVD Release date: estimated November 12th. <br>On Piratebay: November 1st. <br>On my home theater: November 1st.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    The Memflix Effect

    by Timmy Chicago

    <p>From Fox Searchlight Pictures comes a new thriller directed by Sidney Lumet...Tim Robbins plays a mild-mannered film projectionist who mistakenly stumbles upon a secret cabal of shadowy men in dark rooms...what dangers lie ahead for this man who claims his innocence?</p> <p>See it.</p> <p>THE MEMFLIX EFFECT.</p> <p>Rated PG13 for strong langage and confusing Talkback logic.</p>

  • June 16, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    my examples

    by lionbiu

    I would consider The Matrix (which looked awful on paper...especially the first draft) a well execution. Pitch Black, Cube, Jurassic Park (the book was terrible in my opinion and so was the script), Escape for New York and Spiderman..all these films on paper don't look great and their plot is highly illogical and even paper thin but with excellent execution they all became far more than the sums of thier parts.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    oops

    by lionbiu

    that supposed to be Escape from New York...also add OldBoy to that list, a great example of brilliant execution to enhance a weak plot

  • June 16, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    May cause diarrhea or nosebleeds

    by Vern

    So far all the reviews I've read start out with a list of disclaimers longer than a prescription drug commercial. If this movie really is so fun I hope somebody eventually has the balls to praise it without apologizing first.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    yikes

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    "some of the action here (and in other scenes) is so fast that it's hard to distinguish who is who, who is good, who is bad and what's happening. I think that's why I missed Megatron's arm cannon." <P> Why can't any of these reviewers follow the plot? No one knows what's going on, but they all love how loud and pretty it is..... Lowest. Common. Denominator.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Vern

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    exactly

  • June 16, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Movie sounds awful

    by Don_Knotts

    I feel like peoples standards are dropping at an alarming rate. Why is it ok for this movie to have no plot and bad jokes? Shouldn't that make it, you know, bad?

  • June 16, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Good reviews? Really?

    by Magpye

    Geez, they sound more like half-assed apologies and excuses rather than 'glowing' reviews. "Uh, there's bad acting, stupid plot, cheesy camera work, elements of Jar Jar (the iPod robot), but it's got GREAT CG AND GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS!" I think everyone already agrees that the action sequences will be edge-of-your-seat fair, but what most of you don't seem to get is that the so-called 'haters' only want this 'good' movie to be something 'great'. It has all the potential in the world to be a fantastic movie, so why do you want to accept such a half-assed effort? Think of the 'haters' like high-school football coaches who yell and push the players, because they know they're capable of so much more. I don't think anyone wants this movie to suck, we just want it to be good and not insulting to our intelligence. To bring up the Ang Lee/Hulk thing was dumb move really, because there are plenty of action-oriented films out there with intelligent plots. I think someone like Doug Liman would have been more than up to the task of directing this.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Magpye

    by DrPeterVenkman

    I put "glowing" in quotes because it was meant to be a little sarcastic...but I think your football coach analogy is right on! Well put!

  • June 16, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    This film had tremedous potential

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    It could have been so much more than a painfully stupid SFX reel. Evidently that what the majority want though. It's stupid, but that's ok since the action is incomprehensible and loud.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    An anti-intellectual director

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    for the anti-intellectual masses

  • June 16, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    If you wanna praise a film without apologizing first...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...then get into your time machine and travel back to the days where talkbacks and the "everything sucks and if you like it, you are an idiot or a plant"-attitude didn't exist!

  • June 16, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    yeah that bothered me too

    by lionbiu

    The action is great, but supposedly the reviewer can't even see most of it because Bay uses his typical ADD camera angles/moves. That's what really has killed the movie for me...it what almost killed Batman Begins. This need to have the camera constantly moving and jittering for no other reason but to add 'excitement' for the teen crowd. What happen to the steady cam and stationary shots?!?

  • June 16, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    My bad.

    by blackmantis

    Having non-black characters using black slang has never, and will never be funny. What's next, white actors wearing shoe polish and calling each other mammy? This must stop.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    agreed

    by lionbiu

    there is a differnce between a review which lists some negatives (weaker performences by certain cast members, a plothole or two, etc..)But these reviews have been asking us to ignore story, acting, character devlopment, basic direction etc...all for big explosions and fighting robots. That's just idiotic...those are the fundamentals for filmaking, its like asking us to watch a basketball match but just ignore the errors, fouls, travelling and the fact that all the players are blind albino orangutans and just focus on the scoreboard which looks great.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    steady cam and stationary shots

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Oh they're still done, just never by asshats who "shoot for the edit" like Michael (I wish my daddy was John Frankenheimer so I could be cut some artistic slack and taken more seriously based soley on the namesake of a director I will never come close to emulating) Bay.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Morons

    by The Decider

    Have any of you watched the original transformers animated movie lately? I have. It is TERRIBLE. Don't act like the transformers was a great license to begin with. It sounds like this movie is roughly eleventy billion times better than it deserves to be.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Special effects apparently justify having no plot

    by superninja

    or characterization.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    The animated movie was absolute shit

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    IMHO, and yet it's storyline is superlative to this SFX ridden debacle. If you think the Transformers is not a great license with an immense amount of potential and possibilities (all of which have been sidesteped by the filmmakers involved with TINO) then you lack more scope and vision than I do.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    typing fury equates to poor grammar

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    ^

  • June 16, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    DrPeterVenkman

    by Magpye

    Haha, I hadn't actually read through the talkback at the point when I posted so I wasn't really quoting anyone in particular when I used the word 'glowing'. :)

  • June 16, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Energon Cubes not in this movie!!

    by CeejayNightwing

    The Cube they refer to in both reviews are not the stupid energon cubes from the cartoon that so much of you haters wanting to use it as white flag to label the review a plant! The cube in the movie is more like the Matrix of leadership in the animated movie, it's the device that first brought life to the Transformers. Quite simply the die-hards can stay put in 1980 with their toy designs and stupid tit-for-tat style epsiodic brawling between the handful of Autobots with their only two human buddies and the other bunch of brawling Decepticons. The cartoon was fun but STUPID AS HELL! This film is less stupid and makes ten times more sense in every department. STEP INTO THE A.M!! Why the hell would a 25 foot leader of an alien race disguise himself as a World War II German handgun? How can a VW Beetle make a good disguise amongst the bevy of new and fashionable cars of today? And what's the point fighting over Earth's limited resources to convert into Energon Cubes if you can choose any of the other larger, more resourceful and less inhabited planets in the Solar System to choose from not to mention solar-energy from the blasted sun? You die-Hards need to shelve that ridiculous love for your 80's childish things and simply give the film-makers credit for doing something more credible with the general concept of Transformers because in reality that's all their is left to make a decent movie from that cartoon.. a concept!

  • June 16, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    VW New Beetle

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Not new and fashionable? My wife would strongly disagree. She loves hers. <P> http://tinyurl.com/2ymdrh

  • June 16, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    HAISAN YOU ARE A F**NG ASSHOLE!!!

    by ludmir88

    and maybe you are right too, but i don't care.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Here's your chance to stand up

    by Monty 16

    It's kind of difficult to make a movie of this nature people. You have to please Hasbro, Dreamworks, all of the third party people like GM, the hardcore fans, and the kids of today..Theres a big difference between the cartoons we watched and what the kids watch now. Like it or not this is essentialy a kids of today movie. They want to build a franchise not just cater to the group of 30 somethings who still remember the cartoon, and have enough free time to give a shit about this movie. They're far more concerned with making the movie "accessible "to everyone whether they're familiar with the transformers "mythos" or not. If they had started with the crash land of the ark it would have been a big origin movie, this way they jump right in and have fights the whole way through the movie. Truth is if they had stuck to the designs and stories we remember perhaps it wouldn't do as well as it's going to. I was a huuuge transformers fan growing up Optimus Prime was the first thing I ever drew and the first thing I ever modeled in 3d. When I saw the flames on Optimus, read the script,saw the direction they were going yeah I had some issues..but they got enough right for us Cullen especially..and they exceeded my expectations with the scope, agility, aggresivness, and speed of these Transformers. Go back and look at the cartoon again and if you can truly sit through 3 episodes (that arent the original more than meets the eye or unltimate doom storylines) hats off to you. I compare this movie to Jurassic Park another fun exciting movie everyone can see and enjoy which will strech our ideas of what is visually possible. Jurassic park didn't have the most ingenious plot or incredible acting but it took us somewhere else with its scope and action. <br> Oh and people prasing ILM for the look and feel and trashing Bay is kind of asinine. ILM once again broke new ground and is amazing but that's all at the direction of Bay. He spent years with designers storyboard artists, and previz artists to come up with how they look, move and feel. he also buils some incredible action sequences. ILM does they're thing and makes it real makes us buy it god thier amazing...but the action is his. Like him or not, like the movie or not, what's on the screen is due more to him than anyone else. If the guys eats and sleeps this movie and invests three years of his life to making it and wants to put flames on Optimus so be it.<br> So if you want to sit here and say it could have been this and that until your fingers bleed go ahead. I'm sure I loved transformers more or as much as any of you (had all of the comics too for christ's sake) and I cant wait to see them in reality on the big screen. It was a massive undertaking to make this happen and it looks like a rousing success. It's the first movie and it's like nothing we've ever seen before so just enjoy it you can go hating Bay again if you want after you see it.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I agree, there should be a CARE BEARS MOVIE, DAMMIT!!!

    by wackybantha

    GRUMPY BEAR, BABY!!!! OH, YEAH!!!!

  • June 16, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Yeah because when people think of Transformers

    by superninja

    they think "Gee, I hope this has a love story between two humans in it." This movie has nothing you haven't seen somewhere else. Just shinier effects.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    haha

    by Monty 16

    I realize the title had nothing to do with what I was writing I sort of went off on a tangent.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Yes Vern I know you do not like "check your brain"

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    at the door. We established that many TBs ago. It sounds to me from all the reviews so far that this movie is going to be exactly that and give those of us who are excited about it exactly what we want in terms of awesome robot vs robot on the big screen. I am perfectly fine with that I know you are not. It's a shame to because sometimes it feels good to let go and just be that kid again Vern. I am not going to apologize for Bay. Fuck Bay. Fuck all his movies but if there was one movie the guy was born to make it is Transformers because he does do one thing well which is action. I know that you hate his take on that area of film making as well because you said before the action looks to busy and you can't follow what is going on. You want "man in suit" don't you Vern? If I want that I watch old school Godzilla. I won't apologize for it at all. I am stoked. I can't wait. And maybe the reason people are putting up "disclaimers" first before posting on the TBs is because of all the hate that has been spewed out on these TBs in the last year about the movie from a small group of people who can't grasp the reality that this movie and the TV show were based on a toyline. So before they make their review they are sub consciously defensive because they don't want to be attacked for having a good time from watching the movie. You know what Vern I promise you I won't apologize. I am going into this amped and ready to blown away by the action on the scene.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Bay did not spend "years" working on this film.

    by superninja

    He wasn't even interested in the property until Spielberg approached him.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    superninja

    by Monty 16

    yeah really you've seen realistic robots fighting in the real world whth that sort of voracity.Where I would like to see that movie. Is everyone going to enjoy the inner struggle of leadership between Starscream and Megatron if they werent fans of the transformers to begin with. I think my girlfirend my mom and my nephew will have a ball watching this movie and if anyone of us on this site had written it they wouldnt have.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    That's called characterization, generally included

    by superninja

    in most screenplays. So, of course they could've made an audience interested in the internal politics of the Decepticons. How do you think the property has lasted so long to begin with? People care about the robot characters. I'm not saying the first frame or two of the animation won't be great - undoubtably it will, ILM is awesome, no disputing it. But great effects do not a movie make if you don't care about what is happening.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    For example, when you see the first dinosaur scene

    by superninja

    in Jurassic Park, you're blown away. By the time you get to the Velocaraptors, you're interested in the characters and Spielberg builds the suspense but your mind has accepted the dinosaur imagery so while it is still cool, it's not the same as the that first scene. Jurassic Park 2 and 3 sucked and no one cares how cool the dinos looked.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    supe

    by Monty 16

    Really because its 2007 and they were writing and boarding in 2005...did I say 3 years 2, 2 years. Regardless its a long time and a LOT of work.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    He put the same amount of time they do into

    by superninja

    any other movie like this during pre-production. You made it sound like he's Stanley Kubrick or something.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Ahhh

    by Monty 16

    yes but first you have to get a large audience to buy the transformers from a human point of view...then the next couple of movies they can reallly get into the characterization of the robots themselves.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Bay came on in 2005, movie started shooting

    by superninja

    in 2006. One year, big deal.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Can't help but notice the immediate chilling effect

    by CreasyBear

    Memflixgate has on reviewers. As long as they can remain anonymous, they can still offer reviews without fear of reprisal. Then again, neither of these dropped Cleveland Steamers on the movie like Memflix's FF2 review.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Transformers ARE human characters. They just

    by superninja

    happen to look like giant robots. For the most part, the G1 designs are structured to look like humans if they were giant robots. That is part of what made them accessible. Bumblebee was the size of a human so that Spike most closely related to him. It was a neat little way to do it, they should've stuck with it and made a real fantasy movie instead of more faux-realism. Bumblebee has a CAR engine - ha ha.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    really

    by Monty 16

    oh you dont think shooting editing and post work is done by him as well. Do you think he hands the plates to ILM and says go at it..no any director is involved in every aspect from start 2005 to finish///the last effecs shot and sound.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Yes, that's his job. It's obvious that Bay is not

    by superninja

    breaking from his usual stylistic choices and Bay has his team, so again, no big deal.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    We would have related to bumblebee in that

    by Monty 16

    way but the masses may not have.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I don't really have anything against Bay. He does

    by superninja

    what he does but his work is totally vaccuous and I question anyone who claims they love TF bringing him on to begin with. TF has a rich mythology. It would be like bringing Bay on to do LOTR or something.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Monty, that is just poor reasoning. It was the

    by superninja

    masses, or rather a certain % of them that popularized Bumbleebee to begin with, and that was based on his original design. That design was charming and people love it to this day. So now they've completely redesigned him and have turned off some of that original fanbase and are hoping to attract more people that weren't even interested in the concept to begin with.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Its a risk investing this much in the

    by Monty 16

    first movie you have to make sure more people than us are going to see it. If you think making a cop buddy movie and taking on transformers are the same thing in terms of work load then youre nuts.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Of course they're not. Where did you get that idea?

    by superninja

    Should they have completely redesigned Spider-Man and changed his origin so that a new audience would like him?

  • June 16, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    This is the only Hollywood movie...

    by kafka07

    ...that I am seeing this summer. I don't count Spiderman 3 because it was a turd, not a movie. At least there's next summer.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Lotr

    by Monty 16

    Transformers is not the same thing as LOTR . Its a literary property..much more people have read lord of the rings then who know what transformers are. Not to mention Lotr was based around humanoid character which the mainstream can relate to a lot more. sorry about the nuts comment

  • June 16, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    I don't have a problem with tent-pole franchises

    by superninja

    but you're right Yack it seems it's gotten to the point where you are expected to not evaluate each installment on its own merits as a film.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Spiderman lotr batman

    by Monty 16

    were all around for generations...Transformers was a 6 year window in the eightees for the most part.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    No, TF has been going from the 80s until now.

    by superninja

    It has an enormous fan following.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    TF is not the same thing as LOTR. Yes, I know.

    by superninja

    What I am saying is that they are the same type of story, the war epic. Bay's last brilliant war epic was the underrated Pearl Harbor, no?

  • June 16, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Redesigned, yes, but I never recall them

    by superninja

    looking like reverse-engineered walking junkpiles. Why would alien beings look like reverse-engineered vehicles built by humans? The easiest way to cheat this is to make them look humanoid and have the tranformations look cool and just don't explain it. They're aliens, this is not a biology class. Instead you have Meghan Fox commenting on what a powerful engine Bumblebee has so Bay can make a cheap sex joke.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Will become totally forgettable

    by UMAGA

    Sure, it'll probably do good in the theaters and on DVD. But after all the hype, people are quickly going to realize that there's nothing more to this then a bunch of special effects.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Monty 16.... hate to break it to you, TF been around...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    for 20+ years non-stop on television. The original cartoon lasted for 4 years, then they re-edited the cartoon for two years, then Beast Wars came out, followed by Robots In Disguise, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, and soon: Transformer: Heroes in the fall... complete with merchandise. Transformers crosses the generational gap just as easily as a guy dressed in webbed spandex.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    The following they have now

    by Monty 16

    is a lot smaller than it was during its hay day most kids don't know what they are. ..<br> Yack I have my Optimus anniversay edition in a small cage, I deny hiom sunlight and dont let him play with the other toys.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    spidey TF

    by Monty 16

    when we were kids transformers/gI joe werre the biggest things..for the last 15 years transformers has been around but its hasnt hel the prominence it one did..I know we live in our world ..but as a whole even before the first spiderman movie if you asked 100 people on the street to describe spiderman I think they all could...how many would know the transformers...

  • June 16, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Just about everyone I know is aware of who

    by superninja

    the TF are, even if they don't know the details. Prior to this movie's release.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    go ask your dad

    by Monty 16

    ,your boss, your kid sister and your aunt about Beast Wars Armada, Energon, Cybertron, The Headmasters, TF:Victory, Super God MasterForce, Beast Machines...then ask him about spiderman

  • June 16, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Transformers following today is bigger than 1984.

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Back in 1984, you had only kids wanting a few dozen toys, reading a hugely successful comicbook, and watching a poorly animated cartoon. Now adults are collecting them too. <p> Today, you have entire conventions based solely on Transformers. You have Generation 1 purists, Beast Wars fans, and general fans that enjoy the nostalgia, but are not militant in defining Prime as only a cab-over-engine.<p> Add to that the modern generation of kids, and you have a huge fanbase that knows every intimate detail of each incarnation of the characters.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Give Michael Bay the Smurfs or the Care Bears.

    by superninja

    That way his filmmaking style will both be appropriate but laced with irony. Then he can make a family film but only "edgier than usual".

  • June 16, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Hefty Smurf can have tribal tattoos and have his

    by superninja

    own Aerosmith song.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    is supergod masterforce real?

    by Monty 16

    yeah the people we know..were here on the internet its a beautiful saturday..which I am going to force myself to go outside and enjoy riight now...of course the people we know know transformers...but what about everyone else. there are people who dont go on the net, who dont have cell phones..who dont own microwaves, people who dont have i pods or fax machines or electricity what about them.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    If you go read the Wiki article about early production

    by superninja

    on this some of the comments by the filmmakers show just how much they don't get the concept.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Monty... ask your boss what happened...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    in Amazing Spider-Man #300. He won't know. Ask your significant other what impact the Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 has had on the Spider-Man creative teams over the years. They won't know. <p> But they will recognize Spidey if shown a pic. Same thing with Transformers. Ask them details on the cartoons, they'll look at you oddly. Show them a pic of Optimus Prime, and 99% will beam a smile and say "that's the leader from that cartoon I used to watch as a kid!" The nostalgia is there. The fanbase is there. Question is: is Michael Bay there?

  • June 16, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    oh... and and I don't consider the Japanese cartoons.

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Headmasters, Victory, Masterforce, etc were Japanese cartoons that will never see the light of day in the US, therefore I didn't see the point in mentioning them in my cartoon continuity, since most westerners don't know about them. Beast Machines I didn't mention exactly because I consider it an extention of Beast Wars.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    wow it is real...how would this have fared

    by Monty 16

    19 year-old truck driver from Nagano, Japan who moved to America. When the truck's cab is combined with its trailer, he becomes Super Ginrai. A drone named Godbomber is later built, and transforms into a tandem trailer. When Super Ginrai combines with Godbomber, the end result is God Ginrai. He commands the power of fire, exemplified through his assorted "Fire Guts" attacks. Although the mold is that of Powermaster Optimus Prime, released in the U.S, Ginrai is portrayed as an entirely new character. <br> Peace...enjoy the movie all.... I know you will see it........

  • June 16, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Bay can't ruin your childhood treasure. All of

    by superninja

    that stuff still exists. He can only ruin TF going forward and for another generation.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Thylacine

    by Howling_Fantods

    There weren't enough women in this movie to say it was loaded w/ female stereotypes, but I'm not absolving Bay. He did, however, load his movie with horrible african american stereotypes. There's a point where the FBI raids Anthony Anderson's house, he squeals, the family scatters, and suddenly it becomes like an episode of cops. His brother actually jumps through a sliding glass window & this is all supposed to be for comic effect. And it isn't funny. They may as well have said, "Oh lawdy, feets don' fail me now."

  • June 16, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    GurzEon... Some involved saw more than just money...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    The script writers, and many of the artists and CG designers are genuine TF fans and helped keep some of the core ideas in the movie. Bay and Don Murphy just had no clue what they held in their hands.

  • June 16, 2007, noon CST

    web

    by Monty 16

    spiderman was around since the 50s ..everyone knows him...show a 15 year old a pic of optimus before the movie. The only people who really knew optimus when they were growing up is us...and they killed him..damn that sucked GurzEon ...a lot of people who worked on this film love the transformers..

  • June 16, 2007, noon CST

    As much as I am enjoying this back and forth

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    The simple fact is they wrote a film aimed solely at ten year old boys based solely on a toy. They looked no further than those two simple concepts. There is so much more they could have taken into account and cultivated a script from. Instead we get the lowest common denominator movie of the year. Loud, Flashy, Stupid and Incomprehensible (evidently proven by every review we have read). Potential is there for some great, smart, topical, allegorical, accessible by all ages Sci-Fi. Hey, at least it got made, right? I cannot believe how low the expectations of the masses are. What the fuck happened to cinema? And I get called a pretentious, elitist, snob because I prefer films made outside the U.S. I like to be entertained, not pandered to and insulted. Wake up and stop supporting mediocre cinema. Speak with your wallets. I would rather go outside and enjoy the day with my kid, which I will after she finishes lunch, than spend 140 minutes watching TINO.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    The screenwriters are not genuine TF fans they

    by superninja

    are opportunists. Kurtzman polled the fans at Murphy's blog for story ideas. That is not the exactly the height of creativity.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Howling, that was one of the more embrassing

    by superninja

    things about the TF draft script. I am by no means PC, but it was just glaringly awful.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    GurzEon, you don't have to watch japanese cartoons

    by W3bzpinn3r

    I've seen 1... ONE... episode of Headmasters... and yet I was and still am a huge TF fan. I have a wall... yes... WALL of Optimus Prime merchandise including all the Prime toys from Gen 1 up to movie Leader Class Prime. I've read the comics, watched american TV, and my wife rolls her eyes at me as I try to pass the torch to my two year old son by buying him the Softimus Prime plushie and Optimash Prime Potato Head.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    And as pretty as Meghan Fox is, the scene with

    by superninja

    her being oogled by Shia while looking under the hood as they exchanged lame sexual innuendos disappointed me. I know it's a Mike Bay film, but she looks slutty, and this is supposed to be his family film.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by Monty 16

    Hey I'm a student of film as well I love to have my life changed by a movie and my perceptions altered and awakend. That was never and will never be transformers..there are too many people to please its just the way it is...

  • June 16, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    All of the people that love this film are way more

    by superninja

    defensive than the people who don't like it. I suspect because they know it's $hit and still want to like it. Kind of desperate.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Why should TF be more than a toy commerical?

    by W3bzpinn3r

    That's all the cartoons & comics were. That's all modern cinema been since Star Wars. Commercials to sell toys, merchandise, or the latest car or othe gadget. Matrix sold Nokia phones and sunglasses. James Bond sold BMWs, watches, and suits. Produce placement is huge. That's what Hollywood does because they don't get much $ from the movie in the long run, but from the merchandise. <p> I worked at Best Buy when Jurassic Park: Lost World came out. Tons of people were coming in asking for the pocket-sized JVC camcorder used in the movie, even tho it was only seen in one shot.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    desparate

    by Monty 16

    Hah. Im just trying to rely to you how hard it was to try and please everyone to make this movie. Its already going to be a huge success.I honestly dont think you seeing it or not is going to make a dent.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Gurz

    by Monty 16

    wait I forget...is transformers church on sunday or saturday...Im not missing it am I ..I have much to thank alpha trion for,

  • June 16, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Also, Spidey debut was 1963... not the '50s.

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Sorry, just had to correct ya.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    bay is ruining childhoods?

    by Bouncy X

    wow, did he go back in time and ruins yours? because mine is still intact in my memories. people should stop with the melodrama already. but its funny for all these people claiming the movie will suck and is insulting etc... they sure do keep on reading and posting in these talkbacks. color me crazy but if i was this against the movie, i would have stopped reading or caring about it over a year ago. its funny to see the hypocrites here. and the whole "true fan" arguement is so old. why's it so hard to understand the concept of opinion? your opinion isnt a fact, it doesn't reflect anyone but yourself, stop trying to act like what you say is facts shared by the world. i mean really, you hardcore movie/comic geeks lead such small internal lives. and this whole "transformers has a rich mythology" argument is pointless. however far removed this movie is, its based on the G1 cartoon and nothing else. i dont care how "deep" the comics were or how rich the other series were in your heads. this is loosely based on G1 and nothing else. i mean why else do you think every autobot is and 4 of the 8 decepticons are G1 characters? so before whining again about the rich mythology, stop and realize its based on the 1980s cartoon which was nothing but ur typical 80s cartoon with good guys fighting bad guys. and i issue a challenger for the ones not happy, when you see the movie, if it ends up sucking for you, i dare you to NOT come here bragging "i was right blah blah blah" i dare you to just smile and realize ur opinion is right to you and live your life. nobody will actually do this, because the week this opens, people will come here and do it anyway but yeah.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    its ok I get caught exaggerating

    by Monty 16

    a lot.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I wan't talking about whether or not it will make

    by superninja

    money. Could care less, really. It probably will make a lot of money.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    They don't just appologize, they justify and insult

    by INWOsuxRED

    for no real reason. Why are the reviews still a laundry list of complaints followed by "This had to be directed by Bay or else you'd prefer Ang Lee's Hulk" or "If you don't like this you want Megatron to shrink into a gun and that would be stupid". All the positive reviews also seem to compare it to Jurassic Park, which was also terrible in just about every way I think Transformers will be terrible. At this point we know anyone who puts out a negative review will be hunted down by the studio anyways.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    This will make money

    by Colonel Activity

    but it will also eat man-bag, alot like other Bay movies. I read the script, and it's awful. Also, Shia fucks cats.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Star Wars had plot and character. You sell more

    by superninja

    toys if people buy into the mythology - that's the bottom line. TF then on to the next thing, the toys so ugly. They could've made even more money if they had done this right.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    there is no fact in movies, only opinons

    by Bouncy X

    i realize its a hard concept for you kids to realize but yeah. all the movies you think are good, others will think they;'re bad and vice versa. nobody is wrong, nobody is right, its an opinion. i know i know...hurts your noggin to understand that.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    no supe its a success

    by Monty 16

    I didnt say money.it brought transformers to the real world. its going to successfully introduce entire new generations to Optimus Prime..not monkey optimus..or all of the new fake optimuses but the cullen optimus..and maybe the next few films will be more of what you want..but its a success none the less.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    The same people who say it's just a cartoon..

    by UMAGA

    Are probably the same people crying over Batman's Robocop-like look or the color of Superman's outfit. Shut the fuck up.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    well agree to disagree

    by Monty 16

    but Im right..just kidding enjoy the film ..dont forget the buttered popcorn.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    "haters" and "apologists"

    by Bouncy X

    more terms from people who dont understand the concept of opinion. believe it or not, some people will like the things you hate, and some people will hate the things you like. they arent "haters" or "apologists" they just have a different opinion. i know i know, its making your ears smoke understanding this but such is life my children.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Childhoods

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Never understood that arguement. Mine is in the past. No one can retroactively ruin it or rape it or whatever. I believe/hope people just type that as a joke. TINO isn't even based on the cartoon. It's based solely on the toy line. Look at the credits on the poster and in the trailers. Based on the toy. They looked no further than the prospect of beginning a new toyline. Hasbro should have demanded more. Bungie demanded more regarding the Halo movie and hence it is in limbo now. Competently make it right or not at all. Could have been, should have been, blah blah blah..... <P>Monty 16 I am one of the few not paying to see this. I will never see this just like X3, SR, SM3, GR, FF, FF2, DD, etc. etc. And it won't make a difference at all. I still love the property and still love talking about it.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Your funny Gurz

    by Monty 16

    I love your spunk

  • June 16, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Hey, if you end up enjoying it, who am I to say?

    by superninja

    Just don't make a big deal out of me not agreeing. I want more out of my films in general. There is a place to have big summer movies with great special effects and great story and characters. I just think we have accepted mediocrity and its to a point that these movies feel insulting.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    are you guys really not going to see it

    by Monty 16

    good for you. at least you stick to your guns gotta respect that. all jokes and back and forth aside well talk after it comes out...but if you dont see it how will you trash it

  • June 16, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    My mom likes to check her brain at the door.

    by superninja

    She doesn't want to think about movies, she just wants to enjoy them. I don't think my mom is dumb, but I say: why not make a movie that is enjoyable AND gives you something to think about? It's not a negative, it's a positive. Of course no one wants an art house TF, but the property is rife to talk about topical things and it seems a waste to drop all of that in favor of what they've done here.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to see it. If someone who read the

    by superninja

    script comes back from seeing it and say that it was able to overcome the crappiness of the script, then I might consider it. But you have to also remember that Murphy has acted like a real tool and I kind of don't want to help pay him for that.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    UMAGA

    by Giant Ape Balls

    I don't really understand this geek snobbery. A cartoon is easily dismissed as a trivial thing whilst childrens comics are apparantly revered as the holy fucking grail. The disappointment at this from my opinion is that you know it could have been so much better. I'm sure the effects and action scenes will be exceptional, but with a thoughtful script rather than a by the numbers trashy script, this could be so much better. THAT is where my disappointment lies.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I actually agree with you on that supe

    by Monty 16

    ..if you look effects films that were bashed for having no premise or story a few years ago ...they look downright complex compared to what were given today no doubt. Expectations have been lowerd..however this is the first film of its kind. The story in Star wars wasnt amazing...but it took us to a new believable word and we fell in love with the characters..will that happen here who knows..You or I havent seen the finished product.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    I am getting tired of the

    by lionbiu

    I am getting tired of the lables too 'haters' and 'apologists' is getting used far too often. The reason I dont want to see this film is because it sounds awful...every review reads like a apology rather than a endorsement.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    20 foot robot is something you've never seen.

    by superninja

    Except, there are no 20 foot robots, it's CGI and everyone knows this. As much as I hate Jar Jar, you at least could say Lucas was going for an actual character. Not sure you can say the same here. There are 11 human characters given screentime and loose development in this movie. There are 13 robots. Who do you bet is getting the short shrift here? Instead of crafting characters they overanimated them to distract you.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    The story in Star Wars IS amazing. So are the

    by superninja

    characters. They archtypes, they're not overly complicated, but being simple is not the same as being stupid.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    A brief message for the Bay-baiting haters

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Count me in. This movie is a toy commercial (PIRATES merchandise is already discounted. TRANSFORMERS commerce has inundated regional toy stores, a trend that retailers are confident will be sustained through Christmas). My favorite robot remains Robby (FORBIDDEN PLANET); "he" had personality and was spawned from a script that invoked "The Tempest". The TRANSFORMERS script appears to have been drafted on the back of a Burger King place mat.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Raiders of the Lost Ark

    by Bubba Gillman

    ...was a summer flick. Jaws was a summer flick. The Empire Strikes Back was a summer flick. There's no reason that a "summer flick" can't have a good story.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Exactly! The Raiders script is just so good.

    by superninja

    If people want to copy something, copy that script. Sheesh.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Making the movie accessible?

    by Magpye

    I notice that one of the talkbacker's above stated that the reason for the changes is to make the movie accessible to everyone...from the sound of the reviews, no one has any idea of what's going on in the movie anyway, so how is that accessible? I totally agree that some changes for film are necessary, and if I were directing, I too would have cut out a lot of characters for practical reasons. However, one of the challenges I would have embraced would be making the robots 'real-life characters with actual personalities.' I also agree with the changes to many of the robot's vehicle modes...especially Ratchet. Even though the premise is Robots in Disguise, it's still nice to be able to visually distinguish the TF vehicles from ordinary cars during fast-paced chase scenes. However, I don't agree with the flames on Optimus or the fact that Bumblebee is a muscle car. These things go against the established personalities of the characters, especially in the fact that Bumblebee is the weakest of all the TF's. A camaro really doesn't say 'weak' to me. As for having the established fan-base of Spider-Man or Batman, well, there's almost 3 decades of material for the Transformers now, so I'd call that pretty established. It's also pointless to compare the average joe's familiarity with Spider-Man compared to TF because even Raimi encountered this problem when choosing villains for the SM movies (he wanted classic villains like Scorpion, Rhino, Electro etc) but the exec's didn't think the public would know them. It's interesting to point out however, that Batman Begins had Ras Al Ghul (sp?) and Scarecrow which were hardly household names, yet somehow, the average viewer was still able to follow that film...amazing, huh? Ok, I'm going all over the place now, but the point I'm trying to make is that, if you have a good story, interesting characters, and a fun plot, the audience will be with you all the way even if there's zero familiarity with the backstory or history of the franchise. And for the love of god, will the real haters (ie. the blind faith idiots) stop bringing up the cartoon and movie as the be all, end all of TF cannon. There's a tonne of good material out there to pick from, so stop clinging to that as some sort of validation as to why the new movie is 'cool as balls'.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Boo hoo...

    by Fenton Meiks

    "...I'm not going to watch this because they have the cheek to try and sell merchandise on the back of the film. Bad, nasty, smelly film company people." Always amuses me when you hear people whining about merchandising. Like a film shouldn't be used to advertise other products and vice versa. These same arseholes then happily swan about the streets like a walking Gap advert, in their Nike trainers, ray-bans, and ipods. Bawbags.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Magpye

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    right on

  • June 16, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    It's a Hasbro movie

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Advertising is a given. How else are they going to make money? But that's just it, they are only, only, only interested in money. Not the craft. ILM clearly excels at their craft. Bay clearly does not. Clearly to me that is. How about a story that's not beyond insulting? Kids films can be enjoyable by those other than the 10 year old domographic. Too much to envision for these filmmakers obviously. Insulting on many levels.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ... I'm sick of Saying This....

    by Pawprint

    Whoever actually expected a densely plotted and richly characterised film based on a fucking 80's kid's cartoon just needs a slap.<p> The cartoons were just cartoons; TF's stablemates were CareBears and My Little Pony. Is some frothing-at-the-mouth G1 wanker going to try and tell me that either of those cartoons was the deeply moving and involving experience they seem to think the TF's cartoon was? No, didn't fucking think so. TF's, CareBears and My Little Pony cartoons were there to sell toys. Shit bust.<p> This film is here to make money, kick arse and entertain. Not one reviewer has come away from this film less than entertained. Now, I don't know about you, but that's all I want from a film when I hand over my money.<p> Stop trying to kid yourselves and others that the TF's cartoon was fucking high-brow, intricately plotted, serious programming for kids, because it wasn't. It was a badly-animated, silly, derivative extended toy commericial.<p> Now, 'haters' - fuck off, and close the door behind you. Your time is over.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    BLESS YOU MICHAEL BAY!!!!

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    That's right... I said it. Comic book movies should be about ACTION above all else.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Fenton Meiks

    by TinSpider

    I'm part of the anti-merchandise crowd and I can honestly say I don't own nike trainers, ray bands or a fucking ipod just out of principle. Twat.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by Giant Ape Balls

    You're right, the cartoons were distinctly average. However, the comic (which is so revered by the geeks, especially on this website) was very good. It did have a certain depth and better characterisation so it's disappointing that the script isso poor. If you're happy with bright shiny lights and effects then bully for you. Personally, I want a litle more from a film.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by tile_mcgillus

    Think about what you just said. <p>"Whoever actually expected a densely plotted and richly characterised film based on a fucking 80's kid's cartoon just needs a slap."<p>Seriously? Because we expect a quality movie, we are assholes. Jesus christ man. God forbid someone hope for something other than shit. If you wanna live in lowered - expectationville be my guest. If you wanna shut off and watch the boom boom, go right ahead BUT don't ridicule me for asking for a quality product.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Raiders of the Lost Ark

    by Magpye

    It's interesting that everyone keeps bringing up Raiders as a good example of great action merged with great plot...isn't this the film that Bay believed would be a piece of shit when he was working on it? I don't know if it's irony, but I likes it! lol

  • June 16, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by TinSpider

    you cum stain. Don't you even read the other posts??

  • June 16, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    tile_mcgillus...

    by thegreatwhatzit

    You're right on the money, man... "The best stupid movie I have seen this summer." Who else but TRANSFORMER addicts would gauge this blurb as a "rave" review?

  • June 16, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Tinspider

    by Fenton Meiks

    If you genuinely don't own one single branded product, on principle, then you are one of 0.001% of the population who can say that. You also need to get over yourself, you pious wanker.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    tile-mcgillus, Giant Ape balls,

    by Pawprint

    Right..... so you're expecting something on a par with 'The Usual Suspects' from the up-coming 'Thundercats' film then, eh? If you're feeling ridiculed, then that's your look-out; my post wasn't aimed at anyone by name. If the cap fits... etc<p> I'll be honest and say I have never read TF comics, but Bay's film was supposed to be based on the cartoon wasn't it? Did the comic have robots with beards and pink lady robots too?

  • June 16, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    TinSpider....

    by Pawprint

    No. Summarise them for me.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    tile-mcgillus, Giant Ape balls,

    by Pawprint

    Sorry; first comment was for tile, second for Giant Ape Balls...

  • June 16, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Watched Transformers the movie

    by FILMFUNK

    this afternoon with my kid and we both fell fast asleep! what the hell was Eric Idle doing a voiceover in it for!?<P>load of inpenetrable claptrap with synth rock souncrap!

  • June 16, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by Giant Ape Balls

    No I'm not expecting "Usual Suspects", I'm hoping for a great adventure flick. Great action flicks, Die Hard, the aformentioned Raiders Of The Lost Arc, have great scripts. This script reduces the real stars, the robots, to something akin to the toys in small soldiers. I for one can see the reason that they've changed the designs because, quite frankly, the robots would have looked ridiculous if they'd made them like the toys. That however doesn't excuse them for making Megatron look like crumpled tinfoil. And yes , the comics did have pink girlie robots (never got that ) and beardy ones too.But hey, Fantastic Four had a Galacticus, a monstorous being with a love of pink spandex and a purple helmet. The X-mens Wolverine, a luminous yellow get up. Great for sneaking up on the enemy eh?

  • June 16, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I'll see it a few weeks into it's run...

    by Bones

    I will not see it opening weekend. In fact, maybe I'll wait and see it in second-run at the Dollar Movie Theatre. IT can be up there with other films I waited to see like Star Trek Nemesis and the craptacular Revenge of the Sith...

  • June 16, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Shouldn't it be an improvement on the 80s

    by superninja

    cartoon, then, and not more immature and slack-jawed?

  • June 16, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    FILMFUNK

    by Giant Ape Balls

    The voice cast for it was unbelievable!! Leonard Nemoy as Galvatron. Eric Idle as Wreck Gar. Rather sad though that this was Orson Wells last work. He deserved better.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    The only good part of TF: The Movie is the first

    by superninja

    20 minutes. The attack on Autobot City is great, Prime's death is great. The rest is only fun if you reeeeally like TF.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Superninja..

    by Pawprint

    All of the people that love this film are way more defensive than the people who don't like it. I suspect because they know it's $hit and still want to like it. Kind of desperate. by superninja Jun 16th, 2007 12:07:43 PM <p> What?! Are you taking the piss?! For MONTHS now, ordinary film-geeks like myself have had to put up with fucking miserable fan-boys whining about flames on Michael Bay, lips on Megatron's vagina and all other sorts of inconsequential crap - in addition to judging the film before they have seen it, and acting like superior, sophisticated, smug intelligentsia. Wankers jumping on ANYONE who seemed even remotely optimistic about this film. Now the good reviews are coming in, and YOU'RE talking about desperation? All you sour-faced fucking 'haters' are fucking squirming and grasping at straws now that 3 people have reviewed it and no-one has come away less than entertained, and you're talking about desperation? <p> Face it Superninja, you and your fellow 'haters' have been shown up for the miserable, pedantic and childish stick-in-the-muds you are. You've talked yourselves into corners and are unsure about how to get out without losing face.<p> Don't watch this film if you like being entertained - stay in and watch an arty black & white, subtitled French film instead if you wish to make yourself feel intelligent and superior. Don't bandy terms like 'desperate' around in a last ditch attempt to try and remain aloof and superior, you hypocrite.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, you're posing a false argument

    by Yack Backer

    Nobody is saying "Give me the Academy Award-Winning TRANSFORMERS, please!" Have you ever seen an action/sci-fi movie that was just well-done? It's the difference between STAR WARS and WING COMMANDER. Get it?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker...

    by Pawprint

    Have you seen TF's yet? How do you know it's NOT well done? How do you know you WON'T enjoy it?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Giant Ape Balls

    Oh come on, I bet there's a little bit of you that loves the end. "Arise Rodimus Prime" and all that. You know you love it.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Hey, thanks for making my point.

    by superninja

    You have had to put up with us? Too funny.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Fucking moron reviewers.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Can we get someone with a BRAIN write a review? For the love of god! This movie sounds like utter shit.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Nah, I don't like Rodimus, the Post Modern

    by superninja

    Optimus. Ha hah. Hot Rod is okay, but Rodimus sucks.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, I've seen enough to be very concerned

    by Yack Backer

    I've seen the script, I've seen the cast, I've seen the trailers that confirm the things that turned me off AND I've seen Mike Bay's track record-- of which I am 90% not a fan. Unless they greatly altered the screenplay draft I've read and Mike Bay suddenly started to demand more of his actors and writers, then I'm not expecting much, if at all, to be that good, save for ILM's usually awesome FX work. What, you've never prejudged a movie before? Ever?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Giant Ape Balls...

    by Pawprint

    You're citing Die Hard as an example of plot?! Man gets trapped in building being robbed by terrorists, ex-wife threatened. Not exactly complex is it?<p> As far as FF goes - couldn't care less. And it wouldn't matter if Wolverine wore a pink costume covered in flashing lights; when you're THAT hard and can heal yourself, there's not much need for sneaking up on ANYONE.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    The Matrix of Leadership...

    by ManosTHOF

    .... did not create the Transformers in the cartoon. The Quintessons built the robots that evolved into the Transformers, and a living computer called Vector Sigma gave them life. (For the person who said the Matrix gave them all life)

  • June 16, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Yack, forget it. It will not compute.

    by superninja

    Their faith is too strong!

  • June 16, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Superninja I also read the comic adaptation

    by IndustryKiller!

    and it is IDENTICAL to the script. Scene for scene barely any difference whatsoever. So that script is exactly what we're getting and even if someone who read it likes it chalk it up to low expectations, or this mass delision that seems to be going on, because there aint no way it's a good film.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Plot doesn't have to be complicated to be good

    by Yack Backer

    Pawprint, you're missing the point-- What the heck was Indiana Jones about? Go find the treasure. Die Hard was about surviving steep odds and saving the day. There are no "new" plots, only inventive execution. DIE HARD executed the "one man alone" plot brilliantly.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the confirmation, IndustryKiller.

    by superninja

    I really don't believe it's possible for the film to overcome that, I don't care how good the action is.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Yep, simple does not equal stupid.

    by superninja

    And complicated can certainly equal stupid. It's the smoke and mirrors, "don't look at the man behind the curtain" stuff you should worry about.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    I'm not trying to convince Pawprint as much as

    by Yack Backer

    show the holes in his argument to the less fanatical and disingenuous TB readers. How have you been, supes?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    wing commander isnt a fair excuse to use

    by Bouncy X

    it was based on a videogame and destined to be bad and fail. lol

  • June 16, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Superninja - Oh Dear...

    by Pawprint

    Not the old, 'Thanks for making my point', argument (if you can call it an argument)? I'm very disappointed.<p> Go back and have a look at some of the TF TB's; plenty of people have been savaged by 'haters' and fan-boys for showing ANY enthusiasm for this film.<p> Answer me this - how would you have reacted if they had quite literally given you a G1 Tf film? Boxy designs, robotic beards, pink female robots, shitty 'morphing' tranformations which don't match the mass & size of the robots - no, wait - don't tell me; you'd have loved it. Of course. It wouldn't have looked at all stupid...

  • June 16, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    I DONT NEED TO SMELL A PILE OF SHIT TO KNOW IT STINKS

    by BRUTICUS

    Dont tell me I need to watch the movie to know whether or not they've fucked up. Transformers are ALL ABOUT the design. The toys look like shit, mainly because the designs look like shit. And YES, this movie, as was the cartoons is just a giant toy / car commercial.<p><p><p>Transformers was a 30 weekly 30 minute commercial. DId you figure that out all by yourself? The writers have been interviewed since then and their response? "People say that but we had barely any contact with Hasbro, we were just trying to write interesting stories." Is that really such a surprise? What movie isn't a commercial for something?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by Giant Ape Balls

    I said script not plot. The plot is simple, its the script that lifts it. Fair point about Wolverine. You'd have to be pretty hard to walk around in that get up to start with!! Maybe I'm greedy but I just wanted a bit more. The action looks tremendous, unfortunately its the bits in between that are going to let it down. I'll probably watch it twice though, hypocrite that I am!!

  • June 16, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Let's see if/when HALO comes out

    by Yack Backer

    just how readily fanboys are to write off the quality of the movie due to the fact that it's "just a videogame." Aren't there HALO novels? Yikes!

  • June 16, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Where's NEIL CUMPSTON???!!!!!

    by Johnno

    I want to see his review!!!! And I don't give a fuck how his name's really spelt!!!

  • June 16, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, I have for the most part refrained

    by superninja

    from personal attacks, and most of us have very carefully and reasonably explained why we think this movie is bad. Can't do anything about the drive bys, but don't act like we've all been doing it. We've also clarified that we were not looking for a literal G1 adaptation, the design changes are the least of this movie's problems. Let it go, man.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    mac and me?

    by Bouncy X

    thats wasnt a commercial for anything.............oh wait.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by BRUTICUS

    you dumb cunt, noone wanted a complete replication of the boxy characters, just a similar one. This Transformers design is like a steampunk version of Transformers. Its clear to any fan if you look at it that the designer does not understand Transformers really. Transformers are mechanical creatures from CYbertron. They have endo skeletons that their body is built around but within the body is crazy technology you would not understand. Looking at Bays transformers it just looks like a car went through a trash compactor and someone randomly placed the pieces in the form of a man.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones...

    by Pawprint

    Which one? They were all little more complex than Die Hard I think you'll find.<p> I have prejudged MANY films, but have been sensible enough to keep my opinions to myself. Plus I've never assumed an air of superiority over those who don't agree with my opinions.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Yack, I have been fine, thanks for asking.

    by superninja

    And how about yourself? Keep on keepin' it real, buddy.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by tile_mcgillus

    "Have you seen TF's yet? How do you know it's NOT well done?" <p> The POSITIVE reviews call the story stupid, pointless and ridiculous. <p> As for your comments back to me. To give a movie a pass based on genre is unfair. Like all sci-fi action movies have to have bad stories? Like Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Matrix, LOTR, Spiderman 1 & 2...etc. They all had bad stories right? I am not expecting a fucking bill shakespeare but I can require compotent storytelling right?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah, everyone comes to AICN to keep their

    by superninja

    opinions to themselves. LOL.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I wanted my TF movie to be about TFs

    by Yack Backer

    Not meaningless one-dimensional human characters that sass each other and scream "BRING IT!" at the 30-ft. tall robots. I mean, COME ON, that just sucks all-around. The robots are not the center of the movie. That's okay, I get it that the movie would cost a half a billion dollars if they filled it with them the whole time. However, at least make the humans partially interesting.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Starwars is a great story?

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Huh? did I miss something here? Starwars is just a mediocre matinee serial-style movie that is all fluff. The only reason it became the phenomenon is because Lucas had the foresight to seal merchandising deals unlike anything previously seen. <p> If you want to truly measure the Starwars movies, you have to exclude IV and V, because those Lucas did not have complete control over. He had producers that knew how to make a good movie, and with V, he had a director who knows how to handle actors. Episodes I, II, III, and VI are the true measure of George Lucas and his world... fart jokes, cutesy teddybears, and lousy acting. <p><p> Transformers at the very least could match up favorably to George Lucas

  • June 16, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Competent Storytelling in TF's...

    by Pawprint

    Remains to be seen... However, if you can 'pass' the original TF cartoon storytelling, then Bay's can only be an improvement.<p> It all boils down to expectation. If you're going in expecting Oscar-worthy drama and characterisation, then clearly you're an idiot and are BOUND to be disappointed.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Yes, Star Wars is a great story

    by Razorback

    Internet fangirls whining about everything... not.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    I've been well, supes

    by Yack Backer

    Just busy. I can't wait for vacation to roll around. I'll be in Montreal when this mess of a film comes out, so I'll try to keep tabs on everyone's reactions while I'm out of town. If I do see this movie, NANCY DREW is getting $10 from me-- I'm not "paying" to see this movie directly. Hell freakin' no.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Star Wars movies have a good story. Luke

    by superninja

    Skywalker's arc is great. It's not anything new, it's just a repackaged myth but it's wonderfully done. SW didn't need toys to sell it, give me a break.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    W3bzpinn3r, how terribly wrong you are

    by Yack Backer

    I don't even think I even have to point out the devastating failure of your argument against the original STAR WARS. Unbelievable. Go home.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Some of the TF episodes are pretty good I think

    by superninja

    you are just slamming it to make your point. The US comics were good, everyone loves the UK comics. Much deeper mythology than you are suggesting, regardless.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Again, Pawprint, you're making up false arguments

    by Yack Backer

    NOBODY is saying "I want an Oscar-bound TF movie." Sheesh, I'm surrounded by Pawprint's strawmen!

  • June 16, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    This movie is below the potential presented

    by superninja

    by the cartoon.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    '80s cartoon v. '00s major motion picture

    by Yack Backer

    Yeah, they needed to raise the level of storytelling, plot and characterization, not lower it. I have a feeling I'd get a better story out of two 10 year-old kids playing with their TF toys in the living room than the forthcoming film.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Heh heh. Well, at least we know there wouldn't

    by superninja

    be a lame love story!

  • June 16, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    It's about a boy and his car, remember!

    by Yack Backer

    That's what I always thought of when I dreamed of a TF movie. Boy and his car. Car picks the man. Yay!!!

  • June 16, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    80s Transformers fucking rule, end of story.

    by BRUTICUS

    This story.... allowing a teenage kid to defeat Megatron, allowing the US army to be the ones to take down the Decepticons? That's not what Transformers are about man. It's just not. Transformers were about how pathetic humans are, it made the enemy that much more of a threat and the HEROES that much more of heroes. Because humans stood ZERO chance against the Decepts. The Decepticons laughed as the military attacked them. The Autobots protected us. In this movie everything i've heard leads to the US MILITARY taking down the Decepticons and Megatron. In the end, Megatron defeats Optimus Prime but then Sam throws the gayass cube at Megatron and Shia saves the day.....GAY><p><p><p> This movies disgrace of Optimus Prime will NEVER replace the REAL Optimus Prime. .G1 rules, this Michael Bay missed the mark. WHy did he even make the movie at all? He said it himself he was not a fan. He still isn't.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I guess we're lucky that Spike isn't a loveable

    by superninja

    carjacker?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Bay made this because Bruckheimer doesn't need him

    by Yack Backer

    Bay needs a new patron, and he thinks Spielberg is the one. THE ISLAND was his first work for Spielberg and it failed miserably. So, Bay took this project because nobody else would hire him. Bruckheimer has Gore Verbinski, Bay is totally useless to him now.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Why "apologist" is justified but "hater" is not

    by IndustryKiller!

    Those two terms, contrary to popular belief, are not describing someone who simply likes or dislikes a film. At least they aren't supposed to. They describe a blind faith more than anything. A dogmatic lack of reason. Here is where one becomes more believable than the other. Talkbackers like SUperninja, Yackbacker, and myself have been against this film for a while now. Therefore we are branded "haters". Why it doesn't apply is not a single one of us have ever hesitated to back up our point of view with fact after fact about the film, the director, the script, the cast, you name a complaint, we can tell you exactly why we lodged it. Many would call me one of the most vitrioloic hates, but if you could go back to early talkbacks you would find when Bay was first announced for the project I was literally one of the only ones defending him. Arguing that he might be one of the only directors to get the budget that the film deserves, and I thought he may have learned a lesson after the failure of "The Island", I was wrong. Our arguments are well established and well within reason from anybodys point of views, whether you agree or not. The "apologists" on the other hand have yet to make an argument for their position any deeper than "It's got giant robots and that's all it needs." When us "haters" explain point for point why that isn't the case we are greeted with "It's got giant robots and that's all it needs." That, my friends is not an argument, it's an apology. A far too convenient point that is completely with basis that iss tuck to with such fervor that a debate can no longer continue because clearly only one of the people in it has any common sense. Like when you meet someone who is convinced that the planet Earth is only 6000 years old and when you say "What about dinosaurs?" they say "The bones were put here by God to trick us." It's kind of like that. Look at these reviews that are coming in. They say Pretty much everything about the film save for the special effects is absolutely retarded, but they like it and it's good. That's an apology. "Michael bay does what he does well."? Apology. It's just an endless stream of apologies, even months into the argument. No matter how many fair points you make, they respond with the same three basic things, not one of them backed up with evidence to support them, just apologies. I'm assuming it comes from some kind of insecurity. They can't handle the paradox of liking something that isn't any good. Someone should sit them down and tell them VERY SLOWLY that it's ok to like something bad, but if you do just admit it and call it a "guilty pleasure" and then they can laugh with themselves instead of AT themselves.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    "I have a feeling...", Yackbacker?

    by Pawprint

    So you'd rather base your opinions on feelings, rather than actually seeing the film yourself and being able to comment from a position of strength? Or are you just suggesting you have jedi-like powers of precognition? You are holding up Bay's TF against the G1 cartoons for comparison and suggesting that the carttons were hands down better? Please! I suggest you take off the rose-tinted nostaligia-vision (tm) specs and be realistic. The robots in the original cartton didn't actually transform; they 'morphed', with little or no consideration for mass or structure or size. The human characters were just typical cartoon sidekicks; wise-cracking, getting into trouble and requiring rescue. I mean, jesus, just take a look at Megatron from the cartoon - badly animated, bends where he should be rigid, retard's helmet, 'morphs' into ridiculous gun.... tell me, what the hell were you expecting from live action, exactly?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Verbinski would've made the TF

    by superninja

    bend over like Bay did?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    80's cartoon

    by tile_mcgillus

    The cartoon was not so awesome on a lot of levels. I mean the disappearing/reappearig trailer for Optimus, the aiming, etc. There are lots of bad parts. But they got the characterization right, and BASIC story was interesting. Then the comics came around and were really interesting (I was so excited when I found the first issue I could scream...I was 10, gimme a break). At this point though there is a rich mythology behind the toys that makes them interesting. You are acting like this movie COLUDNT have a good story or script because of the source material. And I simply refuse to believe that.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    This site is all about opnions

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    That's why I visit. Get your shit straight if you're going to make an arguement. The pink lady and beards was generation 2. G2. The movie was all about out with the old and in with the new. That's the primary reason why I hated it as a kid.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Paying someone $10 to see their movie that

    by superninja

    you think is going to be bad is a "position" of strenght. Ridiculous!

  • June 16, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, again, you're making up arguments

    by Yack Backer

    I said that I've read the script, which through the comic adaptation and ACTUAL FILM FOOTAGE has been confirmed to be the real deal, and the script sucks, flat-out. I also said that I don't like Bay's past work. So, add those two together, short of actually seeing the film and knowing for a fact that I don't like it, I have a lot of other worthwhile evidence upon which my opinion is based.<p> Second, I am not holding it up to G1. I never said that, go find the quote where I made that argument. I'm not saying "emulate the cartoon" in fact I'm saying ELEVATE the cartoon. But you don't read before you react, it seems.<p> And if you really knew what I've been saying all along, it is this-- if the movie somehow turns out great, I will be thrilled beyond belief. I want this movie to be amazing. I've wanted this movie to be made since I was a little kid. But guess what, just because I want something doesn't mean it's going to happen, particularly with the material I've seen connected to this film. If it's amazing, I will be relieved and I will gladly eat my words. Is that clear enough for you, or do I need to keep on repeating myself?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Has anybody ever said they wanted Arcee?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Not since I've been visiting the site....

  • June 16, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't call myself an 'Apologist' either...

    by Pawprint

    Just someone who's after a giant, entertaining, summer spectacle. Looks like I may get it too. I'm not going to pretend I'm above that kind of film, that visual spectacle and a straightforward plot is beneath me, just to make myself look superior.<p> I have never tried to make excuses for this film, but neither have I tried to prejudge it. If it's shit, then so be it. I have no emotional investment in it whatsoever. I just want entertaining. The cartoons couldn't do it - this looks on track to do so.<p> By the way 'cartton' = cartOON...

  • June 16, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Let's analyze for a moment here:

    by superninja

    Read the script. Confirmed the script is most likely the filming script after reading interviews with the cast and filmmakers. See the actual footage which reflects the script. Read the comic book that demonstrates they shot the same script. Where is the mental breakdown for you here? <p> Bay does only one thing well, and that is action scenes. Bay with a bad script with medicore characterization and stereotypes is not likely to be a good movie. It may have some good action sequences, but that is not enough.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, have you been disappointed by a movie

    by Yack Backer

    Something you've been looking forward to but had that dreaded feeling as it approached? DAREDEVIL? HULK? Anything?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    You know who wanted Arcee? The TF trolls

    by superninja

    hanging out on Murphy's board sucking up to the filmmakers. When the WRITER for this fill was polling the trolls for story ideas. The same acolytes that come here insulting people and putting up a poor defense of all the bad choices the filmmakers have made.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Well, based on your post, Pawprint

    by Yack Backer

    You are precisely the person for which this movie was made. Congratulations on getting what you want.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by IndustryKiller!

    It's impossible to say definitively that Bay even does actions scenes well. Rewatch that highway chase in Bad Boys 2, the quick cuts editing rob it of any impressive choreography it might have. Quick cuts edits are always an easy way out, yes even when Paul Greengrass or Christopher Nolan do it. Likewise for any of the scenes in the Island. He makes EXPENSIVE looking actions scenes yes. But there is a world of difference between technique and simply spending the money.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Elevate the Cartoon...

    by Pawprint

    But you ARE using the cartoon as a basis for your expectations, or as a yardstick by which to judge the cartoon, clearly. Storywise, I fail to see your argument;<p> In the G1 cartoon, the TF's come to Earth looking for a crazy mcguffin cube of some sort, which both sides want.<p> In Bay's film, the TF's come to Earth looking for a crazy mcguffin cube of some sort, which both sides want.<p> In terms of effects, well I don't even have to point out the difference between the poor animation and design of the 80's cartoon, and ILM's incredible designs. Or are you going to go all 'flames on batman's nipples' on me?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I'm not saying he's the best, but that it is

    by superninja

    quite clear that is where his only strength lies.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Eh, I predict Moriarty will give this a good review.

    by superninja

    Just a feeling I've got.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    The G1 cartoon has no cube.

    by superninja

    They crash land here because they are two warring factions that have practically destroyed their planet out of hatred for one another. The Autobots leave to get supplies and the Decepticons attack them disabling their ship as they crash land on Earth. The go into a dormant state only to be revived millions of years later by the ships automated system when it's activated during volcanic activity.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Have I ever been disappointed by a Film?

    by Pawprint

    Of course. 'The Avengers' - but I wasn't looking forward to it, nor had I an emotional investment in the source material. It disappointed me by way of being dull, impenetrable shite, which I had paid to watch.<p> And obviously the SW PT, which I DID have an emotional investment in.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I don't like the designs because they are not

    by superninja

    iconic looking, I am not alltogether against redesigning them for the film, never have been, never have most of us been against it. <p> These are overdesigned. They are ugly. They look unapproachable. It was done that way on purpose. Further, they are reverse-engineered which is idiotic because they are aliens, not created by humans it doesn't even make sense.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I wasn't going to see this..

    by mr dark

    But I know reconsider.. If this movie at 140 minutes keeps people interested throughout and has the eyepopping visuals as described it sounds like just the ticket to keep me away from Fantastic Whore :Rise of the Silver Slurper.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    WeinerPenis...

    by TouchMyMonkey

    how bout accepting something other than a completely negative review as authentic. seriously, who the fuck are you guys?... i love how you think EVERYONE gives a fuck enough about you to waste their time making fake reviews. each and everyoine one of you on this board will see this movie, many of you twice. (myself included) i havent seen one positive review on this site where the TB hasnt started with PLANT! if the review does ruin the entire movie with spoilage or treat it like a uwe bol film you guys scream foul. ignorant

  • June 16, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    No cube?

    by Pawprint

    "With its debut in 1984, The Transformers began with a three-episode miniseries (later titled More Than Meets the Eye) that introduced audiences to Optimus Prime, Megatron and their armies, as they travelled from the metal world of Cybertron to Earth in search of new sources of energy. "<p> Is that not what is referred to as 'The Energon Cube'?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, sheesh.

    by superninja

    Who cares if you are dissapointed in something you weren't looking forward to and had no emotional investment in. That wasn't what he was asking.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Pawprint Why are you even here?

    by BRUTICUS

    You clearly have ZERO clue what the Transformers cartoon was about. The Allspark had NOTHING to do with it. There was no mcguffin. It was autobots and decepticons crashed on earth and buried under a mountain for 4 million years. Finding themselves here and searching for energy and a way to get home. The first faction to return to Cybertron would be able to claim it as their own. So they were trapped in battle on this planet. All they could do is destroy the other faction and not let them leave the planet at any cost. Thats the general plot of the 3 part miniseries. There was no MCGUFFIN, cause MCGUFFINS are what are needed for movies like he-man masters of the universe. Humans did not stand a chance against Decepticons. The Autobots were the ONLY ones who could stop them.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    And in this movie....

    by BRUTICUS

    The Decepticons are defeated by a teenage boy. Is that not WATERED DOWN to you?

  • June 16, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    Energon cubes are food. They are not a god-like

    by superninja

    creative force which is what the cube is in the movie. They bastardized the Matrix of Leadership and called it the Energon Cube because Bay thinks his audience is too stupid to realize it's not a reference to the Matrix movies.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    What the fuck?

    by Pawprint

    "Further, they are reverse-engineered which is idiotic because they are aliens, not created by humans it doesn't even make sense."; Oh well that's it then! My opinion is changed - Bay must die! How idiotic of him!<p> Now, if he'd just included the fucking pink female robots, and the robots with fucking BEARDS, that would have been perfectly credible.... jesus christ.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    To me this movie

    by BRUTICUS

    is MORE CARTOONY than the fuckin cartoon.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, AGAIN, I'm not a G1 purist

    by Yack Backer

    Nor am I using G1 as a yardstick. I happen to think this new TF movie's weaknesses are universally understood- bad dialogue, bad characterization, lack of tension or imagination-- these things are apparent on their own and I will judge this movie on its own merits. Knock off this whole "G1" argument. You're making the wrong assumptions. Completely.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    No Pawprint

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Since you are so obsessed with the cartoon, how about paying attention. "sources of energy" Plural. Energon cubes. Plural. It was there source of nutrition/fuel. Don't you remember Soundwave creating cube, after cube, after cube in the cartoons? The AllSpark is a Macguffin. Enjoy the flim.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I could have proofread that before I posted

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Master grammarian I am not.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Pawprint seems to have a reading comprehension problem.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 16, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Or maybe just a strawman addiction.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 16, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Superninja, is Yackbacker not capable..

    by Pawprint

    Of discussing anything with me without your hand up his arse working him? He asked me if I've ever been disappointed by a film, I answered him - not you.<p> I mentioned the only films I can remember that truly disappointed me, and I answered with my justifications.<p> Or are you just banding together for protection?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, I've given you a lot of room to make a point

    by Yack Backer

    I'm sorry, you're not making any rhetorically sound arguments. Instead, you're twisting around what I and others are saying so you can make your points sound more convincing. It's a cheap tactic. Try and respond to my questions and arguments directly if you want to have a real discussion, otherwise, quit while you can.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by Giant Ape Balls

    I think they were looking for a new source of energy that they then turn into Energon Cubes. I never got that bit myself.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Soundwaves energon cubes...

    by BRUTICUS

    The way I see it. Soundwave compressed tons and tons of energy into a small forcefield. The forcefields were then compressed again creating volatile but incredibly rich energy sources. A pretty cool idea I always thought. Even if they looked silly in the toon, the idea is very original and to me, FAR BETTER than the ALLSPARK MACGUFFIN in the movie.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    My question was about emotional investment

    by Yack Backer

    Not about overall "bummage" feelings. The point behind my question was to illustrate that while you couldn't care less about the TRANSFORMERS mythology, there are others who do-- and my having you see it from that perspective, you'd hopefully better understand where we are coming from. To feel real disappointment, you need to have some degree of hope or expectation attached to something. Apparently, there is little chance you will be disappointed by this TF movie, as you are extremely ambivalent towards it's past. That's your right, I don't hold that against you. But just know that there are others who have a completely different approach to this movie, and at the very least respect that for what it is. We're all entitled to care about some sort of story or project prior to its release.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I was looking forward to guerrilla war

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    not race for the Macguffin

  • June 16, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Superninja seems to have a Superiority Complex..

    by Pawprint

    Which is entirely unjustified. Please continue to argue semantics and nitpick at minor details while avoiding the main point.<p> This film is based on the Transformers franchise; it was NEVER going to be high art, and neither was the cartoon. To expect anything different was - and is - ridiculous. You are slating a film which you haven't yet seen for qualities it never professed to have. Do you open a tin of beans and fucking whine when you find beans in it?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    The idea of the energon cubes..

    by BRUTICUS

    The energon cubes were a means to leave Earth to build and fuel a ship thatcould bring them home. The Autobots did want to protect the humans but they couldn't let the Decepticons leave and take over their homeworld so they sabotaged the decepticon mission back to Cybertron. Autobots wanted to protect the humans, but not at the expense of losing their homeworld.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Sounds as if it's going exactly what I thought it'd be.

    by SalvatoreGravano

    Namely - entertaining nonsense. Which, I assume is precisely what the cartoon was?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    In this movie...

    by BRUTICUS

    It doesn't even matter what happened on Cybertron in this movie cause it isn't even about the Transformers, its about "a boy and his car" GAY.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Race for the MacGuffin

    by BRUTICUS

    it sounds more like a fucking football game. A quick and easy plot device for a writer with no imagination.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker - "Quit While I can?!"

    by Pawprint

    You stupid, self-delusional cretin! Am I now supposed to be trembling in fear?! What are you going to do - 'virtual-break' my fingers so I can TB anymore?! You are truly laughable, and wrongly convinced of your own superiority.<p> I can understand that you care about the quality of this film, but where did this emotional investment come from? Would that be the original G1 cartoons? Which takes me back to my initial points...

  • June 16, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    SalvatoreGravano

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Nope. The cartoon was the foundation for many great stories over the last twenty plus years. It's last for so long due to this. Not solely because they are cool toys that transform. Over 300 plus comic books. They wouldn't keep printing and producing them if they weren't selling.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    THE MATRIX

    by BRUTICUS

    Should have been REFERRED TO in the first movie but left audiences wondering what it was. In the second movie we could have got to see what the matrix really is. An ancient device containing the wisdom of past autobot leaders, hidden within Optimus Primes chest cavity. But no, they werea afraid people would getit mixed up with the Matrix movie. Fuck Transformers had the name FIRST. And the word can't be trademarked, sheesh.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, once more

    by Yack Backer

    Action movies don't need to be dumb. Simple plots don't need to be simple-minded. Special FX don't need to be a permission slip for bad acting. <p> I said earlier I had a feeling this movie was not going to be good-- based on a lot of evidence. I'm not saying "This movie is absolutely shit!" because yes, I haven't seen it. But seeing the warning signs of a bad movie is not a rare skill. We've all seen stuff before a movie comes out that sets off the red-alert that the film is going to stink. My alarm is going off big-time. You're looking for a different movie, it seems. You want noise and explosions. Good for you. I want that stuff PLUS an interesting story and good characters. Not an Ivory-Merchant film-- a solid, witty, fun action movie is all. I've listed them above and in other TBs, so you know what I'm talking about (hopefully). But your inability to make even the slightest concession makes me wonder what you're trying to accomplish in this TB.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker?

    by BRUTICUS

    Dont even bother with the guy he has no idea what the cartoon was even about.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Memories of Murder

    by IndustryKiller!

    I do apologize. I guess it seemed like I was on any level comparing Nolan and Greengrass, two directors capable of incredible work, to Michael Bay, that was not my intention. ALthough I see where you are coming from in you arguments I have to disagree. If Nolans intention was to portray Batman as such a quick fighter, why was the quick cut editing present in the opening prison fight between Wayne and those Mongolian inmates? Which takes place well before Bruce Wayne has any sort of pseudo supernatural fighting abiality. What good is a fight sequence if you can't see it? What makes it impressive is that two warriors are constantly one upping each other in combat and you get to watch. If you don't actually get to see it they should just cut the scene as the two guys begin to fight and then pick up right after with Jason Bourne victorious. There is no question the hand to hand fight in the original Bourne is in every way superior to that of the second, which might have the most gratuitous use of quick cutting in film history. I don't mind it as a a very seldom used tactic to accentuate certain things, but basing a fight around it is ridiculous and makes me skeptical as to whether or not the director can shoot the thing head on.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, your inferiority complex is boring

    by Yack Backer

    Nobody is saying they are smarter than you, only that your arguments hold no water. You dodge questions and you make up opposing arguments. Seriously, I'd feel inferior too if that was how I approached rhetorical discourse.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I know, BRUTICUS

    by Yack Backer

    Just because I enjoyed the cartoon does not mean I wanted that replicated in a live-action film. They're completely different mediums. But in order for Pawprint to make any argument, he has to put words in our mouths.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Pawprint you just became an apologist

    by IndustryKiller!

    "This film is based on the Transformers franchise; it was NEVER going to be high art, and neither was the cartoon. To expect anything different was - and is - ridiculous." if that isn't apologist rhetoric I have no idea what is. You just completely let Bay off the hook for anything that might be wrong with the film and that my friend is horseshit. You basically just called the film crap and that it was destined to be so.a If you can't defend the film based on its own merits then don't bother trying.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Not a superiority complex, just refuting your

    by superninja

    poor arguementation. Just admit you don't care anything about the source material. Some of us do. No one was ever asking for high art, but there are plenty of films (examples have been given above) that can be both good films and action movies.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    That's what frustrates me so

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I love film. Film is about storytelling.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker...

    by Pawprint

    And why should I make ANY concessions? This is one of my points. People like you and Superninja seem to think that we should be making concessions to your opinions, which are based on nothing more than a nostalgic love of G1 cartoons/comics.<p> The plot of Bay's TF's film seems to be no less 'simple-minded', than any of the original cartoons, or many other action films.<p> Take ESB; my favourite SW film; what little plot there is, is lost in breathless spectacle, and THAT revelation - which hardly effects the story of the film out of the context of the trilogy. ESB's plot is basically; Rebels are evicted from Hoth, Luke goes to get trained, Solo & Leia run, Solo & Leia get captured, Leia & Luke escape. It is basically a 'chase' film.<p> So, the TF film may have a relatively light plot, but the spectacle will more than compensate for that apparently. No bad thing.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Me too, HeWho. If it was a good script and

    by superninja

    not a good TF adaptation, I would readily admit that. There are a lot of different issues going on here. I can't figure out really why these properties seem so hard to develop other than the people making them really have no respect for them because they think they're too sophisticated for it. Which just means they don't understand the basics of storytelling.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, your posts come across as

    by superninja

    being somewhat hysterical. What are you getting so worked up over if you have no emotional investment in this?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Industrykiller!....

    by Pawprint

    "You basically just called the film crap " - Please show me where I called the film crap. <p> I inferred that to expect a complex and involved plot from something based on the G1 cartoons was stupid. As has already been mentioned - a light plot does not a crap film make.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller....SO TRUE

    by BRUTICUS

    Its exactly what Bay has done. He's had the conclusion that it's just a cartoon so he should make as many changes as possible to separate it from the source material. He probably saw no merit in the cartoon but you and I know there was. <p><p><p>What bothers me most is that it will still be a good movie i mean come on, its giant robots transforming! How could it fail? However with all of Bays changes. Critics, people alike will congratulate Bay for turning a "silly" concept into a good idea. When little will the pea brains know that Transformers already was a very cool story with a rich mythology behind it. So Bay will get a pat on the back for basically pulling through with a sure fire win. People will be surprised when Transformers succeeds.... but not me. Its fucking Transformers man! The movie would have been 10 times better though with more respect to the original and less watering down. I'm thinking in the reboot.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    ESB has plenty of plot by the way

    by Yack Backer

    Luke's journey towards his destiny, learning the difference between ambition and wisdom-- Han and Leia's developing romance-- Darth Vader's revelation to Luke AND his plan to unseat The Emperor... that is more plot than ten Mike Bay movies combined.<p> AGAIN, for the 100th time, my love of the cartoons is not the standard by which I'm measuring this movie. If anything, it's fuel for my hope that the movie is in fact good. Cartoons and live action films are completely different beasts. Simple plots do not need to be simple-minded. My opinions are based on decades of watching films and seeing how some are done brilliantly and others are done poorly. My opinion is not based on my recollections of a TV show from the 80s. <p> And you still cannot concede that you're opposing arguments of your own creation.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Superninja....

    by Pawprint

    You PERCEIVE my posts to be hysterical. I am not worked up in the slightest - just incredulous at the level of arrogance being shown by other on here.<p> So anyway, you were going to explain why reverse-engineering is laughable, but pink female robots and robot beards aren't? Weren't you?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    ESB is totally rich compared to 99% of action films

    by superninja

    that are made these days. POTC3 makes ESB look like Shakespeare.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    I'm hardly a Star Wars fan

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    but compairing The Empire Strikes Back to TINO is not the strongest arguement. I loathe Star Wars but enjoyed the hell out of that film. It was the characters, not the spectacle. For me that is. <P> Bay and Co. had all the material at their fingertips to cultivate a strong script. Look at all the iterations via several mediums over the years and take the best from those. This film has none of that. No charactersation whatsoever. Stupid and loud. Exactly as the reviews above describe it.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I said slightly hysterical. Incredulous is probably

    by superninja

    a better word. <p> Think about this for a second. Live action pink robots and robots with beards might be stupid, but they're not contradictory. Reverse-engineered robots that have car engines in them when they are supposed to be aliens are. Pink is a color. A beard is styling. Robots can have those things whether or not you think they're stupid. Please explain why aliens with advanced technology should be reverse-engineered vehicles created by human engineers? It defies its own logic.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Ya'll suck.

    by Big Dick

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! Michael Bay is pwning you and raping your childhood at the same time! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

  • June 16, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    ESB...

    by Pawprint

    Stripped down is basically a chase film. Everything else is just intrigue and nuance. Solo and Leia's romance is not essential to the film on its own - if they had just remained 'good friends', Solo could still have been captured - the impact of his freezing may have been lessened slightly - but the plot would remain. Vader's revelation has no effect on the outcome of the film either, nor does his one line about overthrowing the Emperor - Luke would have still dropped down the vent to escape him rather than die.<p> But we're not here to talk ESB, are we?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    See, a Baybot dropped by just for us. How sweet.

    by superninja

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  • June 16, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Pawprint you're wrong, the plot IS FAR MORE SIMPLEMNDED

    by BRUTICUS

    than G1. This movie is a cartoon parody of a cartoon as far as i'm concerned. The plot is s cheezy and predictable compared to the cartoon. Tell me when watching the original TF:Movie. Could you have expected Unicron Transforming? Megatron becoming a new character? Optimus Prime dying? HotRod becoming a new robot that will lead the Autobots and Cybertron to freedom? The PLOT is there. Ironically BECAUSE of the need to bring in a new line of toys the story actually turned out very good! <p><p><p>Check out what the angry vido game nerd has to say of it. This reviewers has NEVER given a positive review of anything but this freaking movie: http://tinyurl.com/36xqb4

  • June 16, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    ESB arguement

    by DrPeterVenkman

    ESB may have been basically a "chase film" (which I don't necessarily agree with, but I don't want to get into that here...) but it was a chase film with characters that we cared about. And the director cared about. And the audience cared about. Not gigantic scrap heaps that look like the New Orleans the day after Katrina hit who are more worried about showing off their GM logos or making "hip" jokes to win an MTV movie award.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    The plot is very similar to the Masters of the Universe

    by superninja

    bomb.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Superninja...

    by Pawprint

    If you're an advanced alien robot in disguise, and you wish to REMAIN in disguise, I'd recommend looking as completely like whatever it is you're disguising youself as possible. But that's just me.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, you're sinking under your own argument

    by Yack Backer

    Stripping down ESB to a chase film AND taking away the Han-Leia romance, Vader's revelation, etc. makes it a completely disinteresting and meaningless movie. And you're saying so in your own post! Yes, now you see-- when you diminish characterization and plot to its most basic form, you get a meaningless movie! Now, I refer you to Mike Bay's latest film, TRANSFORMERS.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Don't forget the massive product placement in

    by superninja

    this. Glaringly bad.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL BAY

    by Big Dick

    "Mmm, this childhood is good. Give me some of that childhood, girl. Who's childhood is this? Unnggg!"

  • June 16, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, looking like it on the outside is fine.

    by superninja

    A disguise does not change your internal organs. Just admit that it makes absolutely no sense and is in fact dumb.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Memories of Murder

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Great film. However, could you please use paragraphs? I enjoy reading your posts, but the run on style is somewhat offputting. <P> First type < <P> Then type P <P> Then type > <P> Not picking, just offering options. Carry on.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Oh, General Motors picked up a huge part of this

    by Yack Backer

    movie's budget. VW wouldn't pony up $$ for this "shakedown" project-- so Bumblebee became a Camaro. That's art at its highest. Oh no, I said "art" out loud, now Pawprint is going to say I demanded an art-film. Oh boy...

  • June 16, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I second that, bruticus

    by llac12

    ...And the Matrix was introduced veeeery eraly in the comics, and the movie (the one with Unicron in it) centers around getting/destroying it.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I mean if they're technology is that sophisticated

    by superninja

    then they should be disguising themselves as humans. Or maybe they're stupid?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Dang spelling errors. All the time now, I used

    by superninja

    to be more careful. Dang you Mike Bay!

  • June 16, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    DrPeter...

    by Pawprint

    Good points; however, what you're forgetting is:<p> The only people who have any prior emotional investment in TF's are G1 nerds - there aren't enough of them to justify a live action TOTALLY G1-faithful film, in terms of cash. Let's be honest - any filmmaker alive wants to see a return on their efforts - they don't do it for free. So this film HAD to be re-imagined to be aimed at as large an audience as possible. That's not an apology on behalf of Bay, but just acceptance of reality.<p> That said, my wife wouldn't know an Autobot from C3-PO, but when she saw the trailer where BumbleBee is being captured, she said "Aaaaw, poor thing! I bet that'll have me in tears in the cinema..", so there we have an emotional investment with no prior subject knowledge or interest.<p> I make no excuses for my wife, by the way!

  • June 16, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Ah supes, you are intellectually inferior

    by Yack Backer

    because you can't type "their" correctly. Phew, that makes me feel good.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Regarding target audience

    by Silverglade

    Regarding target audience and legacies comparing to Spiderman legacy and all of that. Kids today do not need to have ever heard of Transformers before. They are seeing these trailers and the fat kids are chest-bumping in the aisles over the shock of how "cool" it looks. Gigantic robots tearing shit up.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Yack, I bow to your superior spelling capabilities

    by superninja

    because I know that if I did not it would mean I want TF to be like Shakespeare.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    "a live action TOTALLY G1-faithful film"

    by Yack Backer

    Still making up arguments. Seriously, Pawprint, are you not seeing yourself at work?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I bet Ironhide would say he smells the sizzlin'

    by superninja

    of some logic circuits. Hee hee.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Fat kids chest bumping

    by Yack Backer

    Man, if they're doing that over this movie, imagine what they'd be doing to each other if the movie was good? (shakes head at myself in disgust).

  • June 16, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Superninja....

    by Pawprint

    I don't 'have to admit' anything. Imagine you're a robot in disguise as a car, you're in a car park, there are a load of people around - if someone pops the bonnet and sees a robot face staring back at them where an engine should be, what are you going to do - expose yourself by killing the nosey human? Or avoid the situation by being a more or less EXACT replica.<p> Besides, your argument becomes a bit ludicrous if you are willing to write off robot beards and pink lady robots... pink might be a colour, but are you telling me that they needs lady robots to reproduce? Do these robots screw and squirt out kids?

  • June 16, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    AARGH!!!

    by GrandpaUlrira

    Almost to a man, you haven't fucking seen it, so stfu! Fine criticise stuff you've seen, designs, etc, but until you've seen the the movie stop saying it's a turd, because you just do not fucking know. It might be, and if it is, moan and bitch about it, but don't say it is shit when all you have seen a few trailers and some pictures.

  • June 16, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    supes, you lovable dork you

    by Yack Backer

    Sizzlin' circuits indeed!

  • June 16, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I blame this all on Post Modernism, you know.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 16, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    And the crappy script, GrandpaUlrira

    by Yack Backer

    You know, the thing upon which the ENTIRE film is based? Yeah, perhaps I'm way out of line for thinking this movie will suck when the script is terrible. Sorry to have inconvenienced you today!

  • June 16, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I forgot they don't make movies using scripts

    by superninja

    thanks for reminding us, Gramps.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker...

    by Pawprint

    I never said ESB would be boring stripped down - I said the impact would be lessened slightly.<p> MOST films would be boring if you stripped them down to the bare bones of plot.<p> Bay's TF looks like it will deliver what it promised, a light plot and plenty of spectacle. Which already has an advantage over G1 TF's, because that just had the light plot...

  • June 16, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    2+2=whatever Pawprint says it does.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 16, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    comparing star wars to TF?!?! yack?!

    by TouchMyMonkey

    now it all makes sense. we arent debating a good vs. bad movie- we are debating whether TF will be an epic, life altering, fanboy masterpiece to eclipse all else. thats a high bar to get to yack. its a giant fucking robot movie. STFU and understand that this is going to be big stupid fun. its not your new jerk off material, that doesnt mean its going to be the worst movie on the planet as you seem to think it is.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Human characters

    by Big Dick

    The only movies that work that don't have humans as the main characters are animated or movies like Babe and Charlotte's Web and those have substantial human characters in them. It's easier for the average person to relate to the human side than a robots. Bwahahahahahahahaha! Bay is taking your childhood behind the bushes with a mean glare in his eye! My childhood is safe, suckas!

  • June 16, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Then don't make a TF movie.

    by superninja

    That's the only reason to make one. Make a giant robot movie all day long, don't call it TF.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Bay can bring his reverse-engineering genius

    by superninja

    to Turbo Teen, though.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Or to Put This Another Way...

    by Pawprint

    Tolkien's LOTR; one of the most incredible stories ever written; voted best book of the 20th Century (in the UK) - a terribly written book. Dull, overly verbose, leaden prose. Peter Jackson's LOTR, a riveting masterpeice. Could you have known this from the script? I fucking doubt it. Judging ANY film you haven't seen by the script alone is like judging a song you've never heard by the sheet music.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Cartoons are not the same medium as live action films

    by Yack Backer

    But you're content to make that comparison constantly. Pawprint, your arguments are not holding up, I'm sorry. You like a movie with a light plot, and you try to use ESB as an example? Just tell me you work for Paramount, at least I could see your efforts being justified here. But no, you're not a company man, are you? You're just an intellectual dodge-artist.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Oh boy.

    by superninja

    Yes, you can tell how good a movie will be by its script more or less. Give me an example of visuals overcoming a poor script to make a good movie, please.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    2+2=whatever Pawprint says it does.

    by Pawprint

    Why don't you give yourself a break from being an arrogant bitch for a while, eh? You're the one who is snickering at 'reverse-engineering', but is quite happy with female robots - pink or otherwise. I think I have made a fair justification for the 'reverse-engineering', would you care to broach the subject of female robots?

  • June 16, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    TouchMyMonkey, I wasn't the one to make the SW comparison

    by Yack Backer

    It was Pawprint that started that discussion with the ESB above. So, before you have your next helping of pop-rocks, try and read before you jump down my throat.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Scripts get rewritten on the spot

    by GrandpaUlrira

    and things get edited. Example of visuals overcoming a shit script? Pick anyone of the original Star Wars Trilogy. Return of the King. Independence Day (there! I said it, it was a good blockbuster). Apocalypse Now was saved in the editing room.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Add Spider-Man

    by GrandpaUlrira

    to that too.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    The script sucks = the movie sucks

    by Colonel Activity

    Music can't be good if the songwriters suck, right? Same concept. The script sucks, so the movie will suck; The songwriters suck, so Nickelback sucks. Makes sense, yes yes?

  • June 16, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker...

    by Pawprint

    'Plot' is what is essential to drive the story of the film on - all those things I have mentioned about ESB have no effect on plot. The Rebels are running from the Empire - shit bust.<p> Be as dismissive as you like, but now you're hiding behind a weak argument that 'cartoons are not the same as live action' - I think we realise this, but what's your point?

  • June 16, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    No

    by GrandpaUlrira

    It doesn't, because movies are about a lot more than just the script. The first two Christopher Reeves Superman movies had appalling scripts too.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    GrandpaUlrira, this script is not changing much

    by Yack Backer

    if at all from the draft that got leaked. The comic adaptation is the same as the script and ALL of the footage supports the fact that the script is intact. And did you just make a peripheral comparison between Francis Ford Coppola and Mike Bay? What Coppola did in editing APOCALYPSE NOW and GODFATHER II for that matter, far surpasses anything Mike Bay could ever accomplish, no matter how much coke he snorts.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    New Harry Potter trailer

    by Zardoz

    did anyone see it during "Rescue Me"? Because it looks REALLY good! That's the movie I'm excited about right now. I guess I'll see Transformers, but not on opening weekend...(and I doubt I'll pay for it either.)

  • June 16, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Visuals Overcoming a Poor Script...

    by Pawprint

    The Matrix script - "Then they fight". <p> The Matrix film. <p> Is that OK?<p> Or as already mentioned above; Star Wars.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Transformers are ROBOTS FIRST, VEHICLES SECOND

    by BRUTICUS

    the Vehicle mode is only a disguise. They should NOT have any owner. Bumblebee should never have been on a car lot.<p><p><p>The disguise is just to get them from A to B without being discovered. <p><p><p>If you see a Transformer on the street they shouldn't look exactly like a normal car and CERTAINLY the insides should be different. They DO NOT run on gasoline and DO NOT have internal combustion engines. They un on energon. Any sound these cars make should be simulated.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Francis Ford Coppola

    by GrandpaUlrira

    also made Jack.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, I'm simply pointing out your hollow arguments

    by Yack Backer

    Seriously, nobody is asking for a "TOTALLY G1-faithful" adaptation. You're arguing against points that aren't being made. When I say that cartoons do not equal live-action films, I am responding to the misguided assumption that you make above. Since you fail to use reason and logic here, it's becoming clear that we are never going to have a worthwhile discussion. Too bad, you don't seem like a stupid person, but you're definitely not being genuine here.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    BSB - TF / SW crossover

    by BRUTICUS

    I would actually like to see that. Vader teaching Starscream and Megatron the ways of the force in exchange for Transformer technology, Darth Vader using the force to control his tie ighter in battle against Megaton or the autobots. Yoda teaching Optimus Prime the ways of the force. HotRod or Bumblebee adapting a new alt-mode and transforming into XWing Fighters. UNICRON vs. the Death Star. Hell using the Matrix of leadership to bring the Deathstar to life and turn it into a transformer. The Tf/SW crossover toy7s are ASS but the concept could be pretty fuckin cool.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    GrandpaUlrira

    by Yack Backer

    You're bringing some bush-league material to the table. Coppola >>>>> Bay. He could make 20 JACKS and that would still be the case.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Examples of Visuals Making Bad Scripts Good

    by Big Dick

    every Star Wars movie

  • June 16, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Yeah, ESB's script was TERRIBLE

    by Yack Backer

    Listen to yourselves! Jesus, some apologists say the darndest things.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    So Yackbacker...

    by Pawprint

    What ARE you asking for? I am being totally genuine. Your whole argument must based on your love of G1, otherwise you would have no emotional investment in this film, correct? It then follows that you would be holding this film up against G1 as a benchmark of quality. Are you saying that Bay should have cherry-picked the better elements of G1 and left out the crap?<p> If that's the case, then IMO, that's what he's done.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    You will all pay to see this movie.

    by lost.rules

    SUCKERS!!!! Oh, and BTW, who the fuck designed the toys to go along with this movie. I was walking around Walmart and saw the new toys. They don't even Transform! They just stay locked in their pose. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT???!!!!!! I feel sorry for today's youth.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Haha

    by GrandpaUlrira

    I know, and I'm just fooling around... but I'm saying, you can get good movies out of fucked up scripts, and as an action movie director Bay is good at what he does. He probably doesn't have a great movie in him, but this looks like it could be good for what it is (a movie about gigantic transforming robots, ffs). I notice that no one has countered my fundamental point, that there have been good movies made from shit scripts, where the visuals have made up for it. Some directors seem to always get given a free pass, while others are ripped apart no matter what they do, and Bay HAS made good action movies.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, if thats what he tried to do he failed misera

    by BRUTICUS

    miserably cause G1 as a concept is far more interesting.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Correction Big Dick

    by lost.rules

    Not every Star Wars movie, cause only two of them are good.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    ESB script WAS terrible

    by GrandpaUlrira

    The good stuff was added on the set, driving Lucas mad. "I know," was not in that script, as the best known example.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    I didn't say ESB...

    by Pawprint

    I said 'Star Wars'; I'll be cold in my grave before I refer to it as Ep IV or 'A New Hope'.<p> I won't get into the details, but Lucas' stro treatments of SW, ESB and ROTJ were the worst kind of drug-addled-like mystic tripe before they were 'rescued'; if you haven't already, download the Ebook, 'The Secret Story of Star Wars'.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    The point, as I see it Pawprint,

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    is that you keep bringing up the fucking shit cartoon when it is not the fucking point. It laid groundwork. Simple groundwork that was built upon over the years. You have the most basic lowest common denominator interest in this project. Others here have other ideas and interests. The filmmakers made this film with you in mind. Pink girl robots, beards, young, old, big, small. Style and variables. Representative of who that being is. Just like how you and I dress and look. You have clearly never seen or read anything Transformers related since you were but a young lad. Even then you took little interest since it did not resonate with you. So what. Others see more. You choose not to. <P>The cartoon arguement you keep bringing forth holds no ground whatsoever. Groundwork. Groundwork which Bay and Co. ignored for their own bloated, moneymaking so called vision. And it will make shitloads of money and that will be their measure of success. Money is very relevant, but the art and craft come first. Or at least it should.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    lost.rules

    by Giant Ape Balls

    Completely right I'm afraid. I will pay to see this, fool that I am. <p> The toys don't even transform!?! Thats the daftest thing I've heard in ages. Mindyou that means parents will have to buy 2 toys instead of 1.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    BRUTICUS...

    by Pawprint

    Interesting? If bearded robots and pink female robots are interesting and believable to you, then crack on.<p> What am I saying?! ROBOTS! FUCKING TRANSFORMING ROBOTS! BELIEVABLE?! I can't believe I'm getting drawn into this!

  • June 16, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Pawprint: my criteria

    by Yack Backer

    Here's exactly what I wrote in Dome22's review TB answering your question:<p> My checklist going into this movie: by YackBacker Jun 14th, 2007 07:02:27 PM<p> 1) Is there a good story? Is the story logical? Are characters necessary or are they superfluous to the progression of the story? Since the movie popped up in here, let's talk about BATMAN BEGINS. For the majority of that movie, I think the story was EXCELLENT. You had a wide array of characters-- from Bruce's world, from lands far from Gotham, from the criminal underworld, etc. They contributed to a very epic story. And the cool part about that movie (some of you may disagree with me) is that Bruce Wayne was more interesting than Batman. And the movie was about ideas too- justice, revenge, self-sacrifice. Those themes take work to develop- they take time and artistry to pull off successfully. There are little to zero ideas in the TF movie as far as I can tell, save for BIG FUCKING ROBOTS. Ya know, SNAKES ON A PLANE had a similar depth of thought and it fucking sucked.<p> 2) Acting. Actors can elevate lackluster or middling material. I don't really have a strong opinion of the actors in TF either way, I think there does reach a critical point where no matter how good the actor, the material drags down the show regardless. If the script I read stays intact, well, not even the great Martin Landau could raise this sinking ship (that's a joke you humorless bastards).<p> 3) For action movies at least, where's the action? I saw POTC3 recently and it had extensive action sequences. Unfortunately (for me at least) the camera work was too busy and the action was borderline absurd (Jack and Davey fighting on the yard arm of the main-mast while the ship was spinning down a whirlpool was fucking retarded, sorry). Good action builds tension, it doesn't throw it out the window by absurdyly defying the laws of physics.<p> 4) Characterization. The appeal of the old cartoon was that (while cheesy) the characters were memorable, and some (Prime, Megs, Starscream, Bumblebee) were very distinct. Why else did the producers hire Peter Cullen to be Prime? To evoke the memory of that distinct characterization. But that is a half-measure, I fear. As the script reads now, the other characters are bland or almost non-existent. I know scripts change, but I can almost guarantee you that not too much will change from the draft that was released because they had to budget out all that CG work in advance. And preproduction, etc. had to be set well in advance of the Spring 2006 shoot as well. They may tweak lines for the robots, but they're not going to add characterization that is sorely lacking to the existing script. And AllSeeingEye, I get that scripts change, but who would demand those changes? The Director Mike Bay, who has a pathological dislike of good scripting? Steven Spielberg should be the savior of the production, but he's not going to make more work for himself on this project. It's a Dreamworks show, but Para owns Dreamworks now, and Spielberg's exposure is so freakin limited, he is already counting the box office receipts from Week 1 and 2 as an opportunity enough to make the money and get the fuck out of Dodge.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Don't feel bad Giant Ape Balls

    by lost.rules

    I'll pay to see it too. We all will.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    HWCBN...

    by Pawprint

    Art and craft come first? Bollocks. Sad but true. Film-making is an industry; nowaday's a major film is only greenlit if it stands a chance of making money.<p> The signs so far show that Bay's film will make shitloads of money, because he has aimed it at the correct audience.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Not all of us lost.rules

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    not all of us. I'll talk about it for as long as I choose, but Murphy et. al. will not get a penny from me. I do look forward to your review though.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    The parents will have to buy two toys!

    by lost.rules

    There either locked in their vehicle postion, or upright in there robot position. Talk about a rip off! The whole point of what made Transformers cool was that you could transform the toys into both. Jesus! I really hope the suits that came up with that idea burn in hell.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    FYI, I mentioned ESB in response to someone else

    by Yack Backer

    Not you, Pawprint.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Then it's sad but true

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    and the only part I will play in it is discussing it. I will not feed the abomination that has become Hollywood. Granted, some fine American/Hollywood films still get made, but they are few and far between it seems.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker...

    by Pawprint

    Point 1; I can't comment on whether the story is good, but from what I am hearing, it is at least logical in the context of Transformers.<p> Point 2; Again, can't answer, but again, from what I am hearing, the acting is on par with any other summer blockbuster, and doesn't detract from the film.<p> Point 3; Despite early rumours, action doesn't seem to be this film's weak point by any means. If you require action - this is your film.<p> Point 4; The clip of BumbleBee being captured managed to evoke emotion in my wife - so it looks on track there too. However, I am hearing that the film only focuses on a few of the robots in the main, which makes sense in the confines of a film. Plus, there will undoubtedly be a sequel, giving opportunity to spotlight other robots.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    The toys don't transform?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Then what's the fucking point? If ever the TINO monkier was appropriate this would be the case.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    ESB....

    by Pawprint

    Was only mentioned in terms of a great film disguising a basic plot. It was NOT being directly compared to Bay's TF's. Call me a Bay apologist if it makes you feel good, but I wouldn't compare ESB to ANY Bay film. Not the same sport - not even the same stadium.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    I'm kind getting sick of hearing the "My wife likes it"

    by lost.rules

    Who gives a shit if your wife likes it? Or is interested in it? My girlfreind loves Bad Boy 2. Does that mean it's a good movie? In fact, I'll go as far as to say that it's a bad thing your wife likes it. Wasn't Transformers geared towards boys, and not girls? I know this kinda a sexist, but I don't think most women have good taste when it comes to these kind of movies. I said most. Not all. I apologize if I've offended any girls on this site. The two of you who are out there.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, AGAIN you're making up criteria

    by Yack Backer

    Point 1: "logical in the context of Transformers." I'm talking about action-genre movies here in general, not some handicapped movie named TRANSFORMERS. Why the sliding scale towards dumbness because of this movie's origins in a cartoon? I'm judging it as an action movie (hence my CONSTANT statement that cartoons do not equal live-action motion pictures, get it?). <p> Point 2: Action movies can have good acting. Why lower your standards again? I don't get it.<p> Point 3: Action without tension is boring. POTC3 had bad action even though it had competently rendered SFX.<p> Point 4: COME ON! Bumblebee made your wife teary-eyed and therefore we should expect solid characterization? Talk about jumping to conclusions! I read the whole script which was devoid of solid characterization. I will say, without any doubt, that my opinion is based on a much more significant amount of evidence in this regard. And saving your characterization for a sequel? You ARE an apologist!

  • June 16, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Oh, and because of my girlfriend, I've had to watch...

    by lost.rules

    Bad Boys 2 several times. Kill me.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    I thought the Matrix script was fine

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    But anyway, does anyone really think TINO is going to elevate itself to that level of filmmaking? Regardless of your opinion of the Wachowskis, Bay comes nowhere close to them. Nowhere. It was the characters in The Matrix that I cared about, not the spectacle. I was invested in the characters so the action and peril was effective.

  • June 16, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, in one sentence here's my position:

    by Yack Backer

    I want a good, smart action-movie.

  • June 16, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    "saving your characterization for a sequel"

    by MrJJonz

    Ha ha ha ha . . .I assume Bay won't have anything to do with the sequel then.<p>Was discussing Bay films at work the other day and I came to realise that I haven't managed to sit through anyone of his films since The Rock. I sat through The Rock because I was on a coach journey and couldn't escape. Dr Dolittle got me the same way - damn you coach companies and your choice of films

  • June 16, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    My wife hates this project

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    She's a cartoon only kinda fan. I'm a comic book only kinda fan. We both hate what has come to fruition for different and yet the same reasons regarding Bay's TINO.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker....

    by Pawprint

    Well, again you seem to be putting words in my mouth.. 'Logical in the context of Transformers' - ie; G1 TF's came to earth looking for some mcguffin, so do these ones. Who said the plot was 'dumb'?<p> Point 2: Where did I say that action movies COULDN'T have good acting? How was I lowering my standards? If you take the level of acting you are used to in an average summer blockbuster, apparently TF's is at LEAST on a par with it; I am establishing a 'quality line' if you will. Most summer blockbusters have perfectly fine acting.<p> Point 3: Talk about jumping to conculsions! how do you KNOW there is no tension in the action? Does it always have to be tension as well?<p> Point 4: I am not telling you to expect ANYTHING; my point demonstrates that someone without any TF knowledge gleaned some emotional investment in character just from the trailer!

  • June 16, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Go watch Casino Royale again. Bay can't deliver what you desire. I really wish I could debate in the fashion that you, superninja and IndustryKiller! do. Sorry to seem like I'm on your collecitive tips, but I'm just not the wordsmith I wish I was. Matters not. I seem to be more well spoken then some of the children on this site. Be well AICN stalwart.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Hey, lost.rules...

    by Pawprint

    'Wives' are human beings you know - they like 'films' too! this may shock you, but TF's isn't a 'boys only' film you know. In fact, my friend's wife is also stoked for this film too.<p> I know all this may come as a shock for you, but if you actually go and MEET women, you'll see they have likes and dislikes, just like us!

  • June 16, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    or Batman Begins

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    if you didn't care for Casino Royale

  • June 16, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Ok. I agree with all of you.

    by Admiral Kirk

    but I hope there's a scene as stupid as the opening credits of the cartoon where that robot would shink to the size of a gun and suddenly fit in the other robot's hand.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Superninja relies on sarcasm...

    by Pawprint

    and arch self-importance as debating tactics - the only person she ends up outwitting is herself.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Pawprint is an artful dodger, nothing more

    by Yack Backer

    He's not a studio boob, or a hatchet-man. He's more or less the type of person that continually argues even when it's clear that his position is untenable and hollow. You know what, that kind of makes me feel superior to the guy. :P

  • June 16, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I don't think Pawprint is a plant

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    He's just not the kind of film fan that some of us are. Just like my dad. And my dad drives me so crazy I haven't talked to him about films in over a year now. He sees my huge library, the weekly shipments, and futily asks, What's new that's good? My response is a simple nothing you would like, our tastes are too different now. The man loves Titantic. There it is.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed, sound advice buddy

    by Yack Backer

    CASINO ROYALE is the perfect example of smart action. Bay couldn't make that movie in any lifetime. And for the record, you got your rhetoric down, without a doubt. I just talk a lot more, that's all :)

  • June 16, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Bring on The Bourne Ultimatum!

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I cannot wait! YackBacker knows this!

  • June 16, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Girl robots

    by DrPeterVenkman

    Ok..i'm ending the Arcee arguement forever:<p> Arcee was not a female robot. Arcee was a male robot with extremely feminine mannerisms, color, voice, chest bumps and strange confusing feelings for Rodimus Prime. Robots do not reproduce sexually.<p> There. No more Arcee talk. Got it?

  • June 16, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder...

    by Pawprint

    You are a complete fucking idiot with no credibility.<p> Am I a plant over in the Batman Has New Duds TB, where I talk about being unsure of his new suit?<p> Was I a plant in the Indy 4 Talkbacks? or the Bat-logo Talkbacks?<p> If this film sucks arse, then it's fine with me; nowhere have I apologised in any way for Bay - never seen Pearl Harbour, The Island, or Armageddon - and BB2 bored me to tears. I'm just sick of people tearing films apart without seeing them and acting as if their word is law.<p> Son, you're just fodder for the REAL apologists who scream "Any time someone says something positive, someone screams 'Plant'".

  • June 16, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Pawprint is a jackass

    by lost.rules

    Studio plant or not.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Money, money, money

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Relevant to the film studio? Yes. Relevant to me as a film fan? No. I could care less about how much it cost to make and market or how much it makes in the end. I only care if it's good and all signs, and I mean all signs, point to no on this. Even the action sequences sound and look a mess. I thought Bay was the supposed master of the action film. Not in my book, but isn't that what the average brain trust thinks?

  • June 16, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed, oh hellz yeah!

    by Yack Backer

    I love the BOURNE movies- great popcorn fun. Smart action! Tension-filled action! Seriously, those movies are just well-made all-around.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker...

    by Pawprint

    Simply stating that my position is 'untenable and hollow', does not make it so. I dodge nothing. I have answered every question you have asked me and justified my answers; you respond by trying to put words into my mouth, when I refute your arguments, you try and change the subject. Here is my position; I believe you are a self-important individual too used to having your opinion reinforced by others on this site. You are a nostalgic G1 TF's lover and were smugly convinced that this film would fail. Now it is becoming apparent that this film looks as though it will be well-recieived you're choking on your own impotent rage. Just my opinion.<p> How is that untenable?

  • June 16, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Pawprint is a jackass..

    by Pawprint

    But he understands women, and has sex with them on a regular basis - unlike lost.rules.<p>

  • June 16, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, if THAT'S how you feel...

    by Yack Backer

    You've lost, buddy. It's okay, you talk a lot and you copy arguments, etc. In the 6th grade you may have passed for "intelligent" but in the grown-up world, you're just obviously full of it. My position is well-received by others because there must be some sense to it. Who here has said "Yes, Pawprint is correct!"? I'll leave you with that thought to ponder. Ciao.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Try reading my posts Pawprint

    by lost.rules

    Yes, I have a girlfriend. Christ, you're immature. Gee, what does your wife think of FF4 and Spidey 3? No really. I wanna hear her opinion. I feel sorry for you wife.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    In fact Pawshit....

    by lost.rules

    Why don't you just get the fuck outta here, and go watch your favorite Lindsay Lohan movie!

  • June 16, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    "Becoming apparant

    by DrPeterVenkman

    that this film looks as though it will be well received?" I don't think that's so apparant. In fact, I seem to see much more question and negativity towards this movie. Now, if you more heavily weight the three marquee reviews that have been posted on this website which, for all the hours of amusement it has brought me, is not necessarily know for it's *ahem* integrity, then maybe you have something.<P> I think it's time to get a headcount. Lets do it autobots vs decepticons style. Who's going to see this and who isn't. Let's be honest here too, for what do we have to gain by lying? <br> I'll go first. I said it before and will say it again. Call me a Decepticon, I'll be downloading this movie in November. Not going. <p> Autobots: 0 / Decepticons: 1

  • June 16, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Bourne Supremacy was pg13 ripoff

    by Admiral Kirk

    that's NOT how you do them.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Admiral Kirk

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    You want mass shifiting and you thought The Bourne Supremacy was not well made? Seriously or are you joking?

  • June 16, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    You guys suck.

    by Big Dick

    Transformers will be an event movie and most people who watch it will like it. The only downfall will be reading the opinions of talkbackers who don't realize how absurd they are for thinking that a movie about alien robots that turn into earth vehicles would be anything but blow 'em up fun. These psuedo-intellectuals fool themselves into thinking that a cartoon which was made for 8 year olds was high art. Stupid.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    "You've lost"...

    by Pawprint

    I see, "I've lost" because YOU say so? I didn't realise we were having a competition?<p> Saying '"You've lost" and then leaving like a spoilt child makes you a 'winner' does it? If I'd have known THAT, I would have done the same thing hours ago and 'beaten' you. And you talk about being grown up? I don't care who says I am 'correct' or not - unlike you, I don't crave the agreement and adoration of others. Although I think it's a weak phrase, you really ARE proving my point. You're far too used to people bowing down to your pearls of wisdom and blinkered viewpoint.<p> I'll watch Transformers with the expectation of being entertained, probably enjoy it too - if I don't, I'll tell you. You - you'll probably stew in your own impotence and frustration.<p> Who's the loser when all's said and done?

  • June 16, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Big Dick

    by Yack Backer

    To paraphrase this year's best movie: "Talkbacker don't big his screename, the screename picks the talkbacker." At least that seems to be the deal in your case. ;)

  • June 16, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    To all the useless, negative schmucks:

    by seagrass

    See the movie, don't go see it...praise it, bash it, ignore it - WHO CARES? Do you really think you are going to sway anyone else's opinion with your "expert" views on how a given film should be made? Are your egos so bloated that you really think you will actually affect the box office? In the end, does it really matter? Transformers was a KID'S SHOW, and anyone who thinks that it was this big, sophisticated epic series needs to go back and rewatch a few episodes and get a healthy dose of reality. Even if Bay's flick *does* have a paper-thin plot, at least it's being faithful to the original series (which I love, by the way). Be thankful that you actually got a live-action Transformers film in your lifetimes! All you cretins ever do is bitch, bitch, bitch. Most of you sound like a bunch of spoiled little brats who apparently have way too much time on your hands, because you are CONSTANTLY bitching on here. Do us all a favor: SHUT THE FUCK UP. And no, I'm obviously not talking about everyone on here. Where on earth are the sensible people, like ChickenGeorge?

  • June 16, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    An event movie??????

    by lost.rules

    Just like Spidey 3 was? Or POTC3 was? Yes, I'll always remember the day those movies came out. It only becomes an event movie if....hold on a second....IT'S A GREAT MOVIE!!!!!!!!!! Retard.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Why do people always equate "simple" to "stupid"?

    by Boober

    Look, I'm not saying to give the story for this movie a pass, but there are plenty of fast-paced, "Plot-is-simple-so-as-to-drive-the-story" action-type movies where simple IS better. I see this movie as an introduction. Ironically, the 1st installment of POTC is hailed as the best because it is always moving forward with comedy thrown in. Funny how a movie based on a Disney Ride where there is a good guy/bad guy race to the "treasure" gets a pass but all you haters who have yet to see this film have crucified it. The parallels between the two movies are so obvious its laughable. But go ahead and TINO away. I will laugh and laugh the moment Blackout transforms and starts annihilating the landscape and you have no comeback.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    If we could somehow channel this energy

    by Admiral Kirk

    If we could somehow just channel all this hate for transformers and bay and psychicly blast it at our heads of state. Perhaps it might stop their hearts like that famous psychic chick who used to stop frog's heart's could.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    To quote Kyle from South Park

    by lost.rules

    "I get a Hemroid, and Michael Bay gets to keep making movies. There is no God."

  • June 16, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    lost.rules...

    by Pawprint

    I take it you don't value your girlfriend's opinion then?<p> Let me break this down for you; I meantioned my wife's opinion because she is a 'person'; this film is aimed at 'people', yeah? Some 'people' think that this film will have no characterisation, and therefore no emotional investment; my wife gleaned some emotional investment just from the trailer, which I used to prove a point.<p> Do I have to break this down anymore for you, you intellectual lightweight?

  • June 16, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    if you are still hating on this movie, go die

    by wcoop893

    seriously, you must be so mad at yourself that this is apparently going to be a kickass time. so fuck off, no one gives a damn what little issues you are going to fish up. its too bad you made yourself hate this long ago and its probably too late to publicly change your mind, so just die or something

  • June 16, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Pawprint, go hug your wife

    by Yack Backer

    It sounds like you need the emotional support. I gave you an opportunity to have an honest discussion, but you exhibited pathological evasiveness. I'm not fuming over this movie, I'm having a discussion with people on a messageboard. I'm not the type to lower my standards to avoid disappointment, so we are approaching this movie from two very different perspectives. I'm not asking for high-art, I'm not asking for a cartoon-faithful movie. All I want is a GOOD movie. I gave you my checklist and you responded with excuses on each point. We're debating opinions here. What frustrated me in this whole exchange was your constant effort to distort what I was saying to fit your arguments. That is a cheap way to have a discussion/debate. And yes, I am done debating you because you're moving the goal posts constantly. Ask anyone here (and even those that disagree with me) if that's how I operate. You'll find that most think I'm a fair person when it comes to this discussion. You've lost because you missed the opportunity to take part in that.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    One crucial point becoming a theme...

    by Boober

    Through different reviewers, begrudgingly or not, the hidden theme is this: This movie is way better than the sequels that have come out this year and the Special Effects have set a new standard.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Regularfacetoht...

    by Pawprint

    Plot drives story. ESB = simple plot, fantastic story. Does that make it easy for you?

  • June 16, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    PawSHIT

    by lost.rules

    You're defending Michael Bay, and I'm the intellectual lightweight? Yeah. Please, go watch Just My Luck or whatever crap it is you like.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Amen, Vern...

    by Boober

    Whip it out and have not doubt...if it is awesome, then Pony up. Let's end this nonsense...WHERE IS CUMPSTON'S REVIEW!!!!!!!

  • June 16, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Memories-of-Murder

    by seagrass

    I find it interesting that you are giving me orders now, even though you've just berated me for doing so. Does that make you a hypocrite, or just an ass? Methinks both.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    lost.rules

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I don't watch South Park, but that quote made me laugh. <P> My daughter is watching The Iron Giant with dinner right now. A damn fine film. Too bad Brad Bird was busy or not offered Transformers. I think he would have made it a great, non-insulting family film.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder...

    by Pawprint

    So if I basically say, "You lost!", then sign out, would that make me a winner?<p> Superninja left because she realised she'd shot herself in the foot and wasn't up to the job.<p> Yackbacker left because he's arrogant and had all his 'points' refuted; he's too used to being agreed with - there was nowhere left for him to go.<p> 'Win'/'Lose' - who gives a fuck? I'm looking forward to this film; if I enjoy it, ultimately, I have 'won'.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder...

    by Pawprint

    So if I basically say, "You lost!", then sign out, would that make me a winner?<p> Superninja left because she realised she'd shot herself in the foot and wasn't up to the job.<p> Yackbacker left because he's arrogant and had all his 'points' refuted; he's too used to being agreed with - there was nowhere left for him to go.<p> 'Win'/'Lose' - who gives a fuck? I'm looking forward to this film; if I enjoy it, ultimately, I have 'won'.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Boober

    by seagrass

    Love the Fraggle Rock name. At least you seem to have some sense about you.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I didn't check out of the discussion, Paw

    by Yack Backer

    I decided to stop the exchange with you. And why? Because it was clearly a waste of my time. But go on saying you refuted my points, whatever makes you feel better. Should I have said "You won!" instead? Hugs?

  • June 16, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Oh Yackbacker...

    by Pawprint

    "I gave you my checklist and you responded with excuses on each point. We're debating opinions here. What frustrated me in this whole exchange was your constant effort to distort what I was saying to fit your arguments. That is a cheap way to have a discussion/debate. And yes, I am done debating you because you're moving the goal posts constantly. Ask anyone here (and even those that disagree with me) if that's how I operate. You'll find that most think I'm a fair person when it comes to this discussion. You've lost because you missed the opportunity to take part in that."<p> Show me where I gave you excuses on your checklist - I answered honestly, and gave you my opinions.<p> Please point out where I have moved any goalposts.<p> Please show me where I have been 'evasive'.<p> Most importantly, please show me where I have 'lost', and tell me why this is some sort of 'match'.<p> Yes, we ARE arguing opinions; it's just that you seem to think YOURS is the only one that counts.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    While I don't think that Bay

    by seagrass

    was *my* perfect choice for this film, I do think he was the only sensible choice out of all the directors the studio could have gone with. I would have loved to see a Brad Bird Transformers film, but in the reality that is Hollywood, this would never have come to pass.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay is the Ed Wood of our times except,

    by lost.rules

    not as talented.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder, AKA Small Dick

    by Big Dick

    I think that the movie industry is the most versatile of pop arts right now. If you want smart action, you got it. If you want drama, you got it. If you want big explosions, you got it, etc. Now when you heard a movie about the Transformers was coming out, what did you expect? If you expected anything other than what's coming out then. . .you're stupid.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Regularfacetoht...

    by Pawprint

    If you'd bothered your stupid arse to actually read the exchange regarding ESB, you would have noticed the bit where I said ESB is my favourite SW film of them all, and being a big SW fan as I am, that's saying something.<p> Knee-jerk reactions make you look like a fan-boy twat. Or is that just you?<p> The only thing you should be revoking is your own membership card to the human race.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Brad Bird should do live action. He'd be great at it.

    by lost.rules

    But, we can only dream for now.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Nah Paw, I don't need to prove my points

    by Yack Backer

    I've spent several dozen posts doing just that. I don't need to satisfy your standards because you will always remain intractable. I responded to your excuses point by point. I pointed out your strawmen time and again. I've done my job, trust me. And if you want to, talk to AllSeeingEye or ChildeRoland or Mr. Nice Gaius and ask them if I force my opinions down their throats (these guys are more or less optimistic about the movie). You have a persistent erection for me and that's the sad, sorry truth. Good luck working that one out.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Ah Yack

    by MrJJonz

    You seem to have mired yourself in some sort of TINO argument again. As so often what starts out as wanting an honest discussion ends up as more a slagging contest (not attacking you on this).<P>I actually remember the time I had quite a cool discussion with someone who was pro-war and me not. Never got into name calling once . . .yet if we had stayed on the discussion of films who knows what may have happened. <P>What a strange world we live in

  • June 16, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker....

    by Pawprint

    Hugs! Mwah! I AM going to have to leave soon - it's getting late here in Deutschland, but it's been fun - I wouldn't normally stay on a TB this long, wading through knee-deep shite, but you've made it interesting for me!<p> The rest of you 'true haters' could take some lessons in class from Yack Backer - at least he tries to justify himself in a sensible and fairly rational manner. The rest of you worms just come here to throw shit and see what sticks.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder & other "PLANT callers...

    by Womb2dooM

    Do you really think that highly of yourselves that you'd actually believe that studios would spend big money on plants (of which I have been accused) on a well reviewed film?<P>Do you people really have no idea that your opinions are not worth the dusty keyboard you've typed them on and will have little recognisable effect on a films opening weekend or even the overall BO take (X-Men 3 and SoaP for two polar examples)?<P>Of the tens of thousands of people that come to this site to read reviews, only a small handful actually stick around to read TBs and only a smaller handful still actually bother to post.<P>No, anybody typing away in this here TB is here because they like movies and love discussing them.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    If Bay had directed AvP

    by seagrass

    I guarantee that film would have been 300% better. Think I'm wrong? Go fellate yourself.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    MrJJonz, Transformers brings out the crazies!

    by Yack Backer

    I will miss these TBs when the movie is long gone.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Between the slurs, name-calling, and

    by Boober

    insults being hurled I think there is an argument going on about a movie we haven't seen yet. Laf.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Did he compare Bay to Ang Lee???

    by drdoom_v

    Let's see the difference between Ang Lee and Michael Bay is----Ang Lee makes Good Movies. I would take anything Ang Lee made over Michael Bays' pieces of shit-YEAH that includes The Hulk (Even though he was making a Jeckyl and Hyde film about neglected children and anger- the Hulk scenes were killer.) But you can't argue with somone who thinks Pear Harbor was better filmmaking than Crouching Tiger. There are a lot of people who feel this way---Be afraid Be Very afraid!!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    After 9/11

    by lost.rules

    I saw a Michael Bay interview where he was talking about the military and the C.I.A. asking him about what the terrorist might try to do. We get attacked, and our government runs to Michael Bay to ask what to do. Scary isn't?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Brokeback Witwicky

    by seagrass

    anyone?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    lost.rules

    by Colonel Activity

    is the lovable scroundrel of AICN talkbacks; give 'em hell, you rapscallion you!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    lost.rules

    by seagrass

    Well, that kinda makes sense. The military and the C.I.A. have little to no imagination.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Yack

    by MrJJonz

    Unfortunately (or fortunately) the sequel will allow plenty more of this time wasting waffling (really sometimes I should do something more useful than post on this site - like sleep)

  • June 16, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Plant? Far From It...

    by Pawprint

    I'm a British soldier serving in Germany, and it's five past one in the morning.<p> If I was a plant, I would have at LEAST have SEEN the fucking film to assist me in my planty duties.<p> As it stands, I have no emotional investment in this film. It looks like I'll enjoy it; if I don't, I'll mention it - but it'll be a while before I see it.<p> But if you think this film isn't going to make money and spawn a sequel, I reckon you're pretty fucking far from right; love or hate Bay - this film will have legs, regardless of the fan-boy minority proposed boycotts (as if you're NOT gonna watch it!).

  • June 16, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Is it true that Shia anally renders a feline in this epic, event, blockbuster, paramount of filmmaking?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    IMHO, Ang Lee's Hulk was a failure...

    by Boober

    Daddy takes on some semblance of what is akin to absorbing man in the marvel cannon and then Hulk pops daddy like a giant water-logged zit at the end with his resentment and not his fists? Sorry, I humbly must state for the record that a Bay film with Abomination and Hulk pounding on each other would be better than the Pseudo-mythological failure that was Ang Lee's "Crouching Giant, Hidden Logic". The only thing greater than Hulk's strength while beating steroid puppies in this movie was the inability of Lee to convey his message.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    lost.rules- gotta disagree

    by Playkins

    I wouldn't go so far as to call him a master, but he DEFINITELY knows how to emotionally manipulate an audience. And his movies always look gorgeous (although that could likely be his D.P.- who is that BTW?). Anyway, I've always thought he made very watchable films, although I royally hated Pearl Harbor. That "love triangle" was anapropriately out of place, and totally predictable. The Rock, Armageddon, The Island.. bring 'em on!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    lost.rules- gotta disagree

    by Playkins

    I wouldn't go so far as to call him a master, but he DEFINITELY knows how to emotionally manipulate an audience. And his movies always look gorgeous (although that could likely be his D.P.- who is that BTW?). Anyway, I've always thought he made very watchable films, although I royally hated Pearl Harbor. That "love triangle" was inapropriately out of place, and totally predictable. The Rock, Armageddon, The Island.. bring 'em on!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    I don't think so, Memories

    by seagrass

    Did you ever read the first Dark Horse AvP series? Fantastic storytelling, compelling plot...now *that* should have been the movie. While we are on the subject of DH, I enjoyed T3, but if The Burning Earth had been made into a film, it would have been a fine Terminator film. As it stands, we could still see this, thanks to the ending of T3.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    If ANYONE fucks a cat in this film...

    by Pawprint

    I'm THERE! That's double my enjoyment straight away!<p> Onscreen Cat-fucking+Popcorn = entertainment!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Yack

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Their will be plenty of more TBs for TINO2 & TINO3. And the spin-offs Starscream hearts Megatron and Optimus Prime Begins.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I won!

    by Big Dick

    Another victim, Dickslapped.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    The use of apologist just becomes more justified.....

    by IndustryKiller!

    by the second. Literally at least once a minute someone gets on this talkback and uses the excuse of "It's a movie about giant robots what did you expect?" If you don't post alot on here and you feel compelled to post simply to make that argument don't bother. First of all it's been deconstructed six ways from Sunday and second of all Pawprint already has you covered with the apologies. Sometimes it's Wcoop, today it's Pawprint. They're interchangable really.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I'm actually rooting for Michael Bay!

    by lost.rules

    Just cause he's such an asshole. He's like the Yankees, or Kobe Bryant, or Jeff Gordon of filmakers. You just gotta respect somebody evrybody hates.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    HeWho and don't forget the unmissable

    by MrJJonz

    Optimus' Caravan of Courage <P>I'm so excited by this spin off I'm not going to sleep for a week

  • June 16, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    seagrass

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Phil Norwood's pencils on those issues are still the shit. I would have loved to see more from him, but I realize he is a film storyboarder, not a comic artist. Still, that five issue series was soo good. I even enjoyed the continuation "War" to a degree, just not as much. Eternal was another good AvP series. Too bad about the films though.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    MrJJonz

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Nice name. How'd that recent solo series resonate with you? <P> I knew someone would counter my corny post with something far more witty. Nice one.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    "I don't know. It's weird." These Trailers and T.V. spots just keep getting better and better.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Industrykiller!....

    by Pawprint

    I'm tired of saying this; but I'm not apologising for ANYTHING. Please don't labour under the misapprehension that this film means ANYTHING to me... if I hate it, I'll tell you.<p> What bemuses me is how so many people who haven't seen it can be so venomous in their hatred and belief that this film WILL be shit.<p> It's already been proven that pre-judging a film by a script isn't a good move, (Matrix, SW etc). I shouldn't need to mention that film is a visual medium; and a script is not a novel.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Paw, thanks for your service

    by Yack Backer

    Are you an officer or specialist?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Bizarrely HeWho

    by MrJJonz

    I live in Britain - not a massive amount of comic book stores where I am and also on a tight budget (UK house prices and my mortgage have crippled me - bought at the wrong time) so haven't read much of him. Just know from a few JL books I have and also the JL animated but have been thinking recently I should buy some solo work seeing as though I thought him cool enough to use his moniker. <P>Oh and my style is not to come up with any original amusing comment - just to nick and expand on someone elses

  • June 16, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Don't worry Pawprint.

    by Big Dick

    They are stupid. I used to live in Germany, by the way. You're a lucky man. Bringing your wife was a bad decision, though.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    And Pawprint

    by IndustryKiller!

    Have you read the script? Because many of use have, which is why our arguments go deeper than "It's dumb action so just enjoy it". Go read the script (it's readily available), then come back and make your argument based on the merits of the film, and you will have a deeper much better constructed argument that the one you are currently pursuing. It doesn't really count unless you can defend the content of the film itself, which thus far you have failed to do. And before you go on a rant of "You haven't seen the film tehrefore you can't defend or detract based on its content", just know that at this point that argument is irrelevant. MANY sources confirm that the film is the script that was leaked including everything seen in every trailer, plot points revealed, the comic book adaptation which has been released, and cast interviews. Given that, the fact that the look and visual setting of the film is now well documented due to many pics, trailers, and commercials, and the fact that it's incredibly easy to picture Bay's lackluster and predictable directorial style with the minds eye, it's actually very easy to debate about the film itself, but only if you've read the script. So go to it and I'll be looking forward to continuing this chat when you are as informed on the films content as the rest of us.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    I'm suprised nobody's used 'Pawplant' yet..

    by Pawprint

    Seems obvious to me.<p> Memories-Of-Murder: the only thing that's embarassing is your continued, hysterical insistence that I AM a plant!<p> Is it so shocking to you that there might actually be people out here in the real world actually looking forward to this film?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    They should make Michael Bay's and Eli roth's biopics

    by leolo

    They inspire too much hate and help people discharge their nerdfrutrations

  • June 16, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Yack, IK, Big Dick...

    by Pawprint

    Yack, thankyou for supporting us. I'm a bit hazy on American ranks, but I'm not an Officer, I'm a Sergeant - equivalent to a US Staff Sergeant I think.<p> IK; I haven't read the script, for reasons already explained. I don't doubt that it LOOKS shit - I think that of most scripts. but if you'd be kind enough to post a link, I'll have a look.<p> Big Dick; did you mean bringing my wife to Germany, or bringing her up on a TB?! :-)

  • June 16, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Hey BSB is back and still

    by MrJJonz

    looking for attention by using caps on your titles you attention grabbing whore you :)

  • June 16, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Reading Scripts

    by Big Dick

    Why do you read scripts before the movies come out? Do you not want to enjoy the movie to the fullest when it actually comes out?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by Big Dick

    Both! Bwahahahahaha! Like I said, don't stress. They're stupid.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder...

    by Pawprint

    Fair enough - there's no fucking around with you is there?! Straight in for the kill!<p> I wish to fuck I was on the kind of money a studio plant makes though.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Yo BSB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Yack Backer

    Flame war is back in da hizzouse! I won't rag on a guy in the service. And if he's lying about it, it's not my job to figure that out. Given the number of lives lost in recent years, that's something that the liar should concern himself with, not me. I assume Paw is telling the truth.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    And every time BSB looks away

    by MrJJonz

    from his alien ship surveillence equipment to type a message here a mother ship passes by

  • June 16, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Hey BSB, I'm going to Montral in a couple of weeks

    by Yack Backer

    Titty bars and casinos. Jealous?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Yes BSB I am blaming you

    by MrJJonz

    for every time I've been abducted and anally probed

  • June 16, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    MrJJonz, stop going to The Blue Oyster bar

    by Yack Backer

    Alien Village People will grab your ass.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Guys; let's face it...

    by Pawprint

    We don't come here for the caring and sharing intellectually nurturing atmosphere do we? We come to kick shit around and get nice and dirty. The only losers are the ones who forget it's all a game.<p> This is the Intrawebs, for fuck's sake! It was invented by machine scientists using Megatron's technology so we could download porn and talk shit on message boards in 'The Matrix', thus keeping us happy in our pods. happy humans produce more power!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    This is the Jessica Simpson of movies

    by Colonel Activity

    all nice and pretty, but utterly devoid of anything of merit.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    You guys should all go to Rotten Tomatoes and go....

    by lost.rules

    through the SCI-FI top 100 list. Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. They rank The Host above Star Wars. They rank The Terminator above 2001. They rank Eternal Sunshine above Empire Strikes Back. They rank E.T. as number 1! And The Thing is ranked 99th. Oh, my god. I never laughed so much in my life.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    WHY READ SCRIPTS BEFORE THE MOVIE COMES OUT

    by BRUTICUS

    Maybe to see if a movie you have high hopes for sucks or not? Why do people criticize someone for reading a script? Maybe because they want you to be as shocked as they are after wasting two hours and 10 bucks in a theater?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    The Terminator. . .

    by Big Dick

    is better than 2001.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    BSB you Crazy Fool!

    by Pawprint

    'WWII ended years ago'! LMAO<p> We are here in a purely caretaking role now. We patrol the streets to make sure that German women shave their legs and armpits regularly.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Yack, I'd love to stop going

    by MrJJonz

    but a part of me likes it. Damn my dark half . .always leaves me shameful the next day

  • June 16, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    I read scripts when I'm on the fence about

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    something or when one falls in my proverbial lap, like TINO. There are different degrees of film fans. I'm pretty into it myself. It's not just a way to pass the time on a Friday night. I have a home theatre, well over 3k discs, etc. etc. It's my secondary hobby. Script reading is something I indulge in very seldom, but I do indulge once in a while. I read several Alien 3 scripts well over a decade ago. Depends on the project.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    reading Scripts

    by Big Dick

    Isn't part of enjoying any story the excitement you get from the story unfolding? If you read the script then you already know what happens.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    $835!

    by Yack Backer

    Well-done! I guess "Jonz" is alien for Hershey Highway, eh?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Pawplant, about the script

    by IndustryKiller!

    First of all don't compare Star Wars and The matrix to any film Michael bay has or will ever direct. I don't think you were trying to do it directly but even offhandedly it's a losing battle. I don't think you or I would disagree, despite our equal like and dislike for Bay, that he has the kind of work either of those two films offer in him. no reasonable film lover could ever say something that absurd. Anyway, you gotta trust me dude, no matter how rough the original Star Wars or Matrix scripts were, Transformers is worse. it's an absolutely awful script full of some of the least likable and cliched non-characters since Bay's own Pearl Harbor. And you say "film is a visual medium" well that's true, but the visual is now well established in the film and maybe you can't picture in your minds eye exactly how this film looks but I can. Clear as day. Bay's "style" makes it pretty obvious and i've now seen clips of pretty much every major battle scene in the film and while the effects are impressive it's not light years beyond what we've come to expect and it would have to be given how awful everything else is. Remember there is a huge non-robot component tot his film, one film with aformentioned terrible human characters. And none of the actors involved have the charisma or chops to make them interesting. I don't care how many glowing praises Dreamworks buys for Shia Labeouf from the media, it's just not happening. You know what man we really can't go any further than this until you read it. So you may say that since I haven't seen the movie I don't know for sure, well given that i've read the script I am at least a few steps closer to the reality of it than you are.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    "Hershey Highway"

    by MrJJonz

    I have no come back . . .but I'll probably wake up at 4am with a real witty comeback, and havind earned another 5 bucks for BSB

  • June 16, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Scripts...

    by Pawprint

    Not always indicative of quality; I read the script for SW EPIII ROTS before I'd seen the film, and the script was SHIT.<p> Turns out the film was too. Who fucking knows, eh?!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by Yack Backer

    Mostly, I read scripts to supplement films I've already seen sometimes- something where alternate plot points or missing scenes are included. When it's a project that hasn't been released yet, I usually don't read the thing (unless it's a movie that has piqued my curiosity). 3K discs? Shit, you better get the Oppo upconverting DVD player, son!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Yes, John Carpenter's The Thing

    by lost.rules

    Tried watching the original. Couldn't do it.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Transformers es Lame

    by nelwack

    This movie might be fun if your a retarded chimp with half your brain missing. Seeing as how I'm not, I'll spend my time and money seeing a GOOD movie, like Fantastic Four 2, In theatres now!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    The Prestige

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I read the book long before the film was made. Same with Perfume and Dune and etc. etc.. Didn't ruin my enjoyment of said films one bit. Same with reading a script. I like suprise and excitement a the next guy/gal. Doesn't keep me from reading. Honestly, if I had to choose between watching film or reading, you bet your ass I would choose reading. No contest. Can't I love both though?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Hey

    by Admiral Kirk

    wait a minute -bourne supremacy was pg13 to the first one's R and had shaky camera bullshit to try to tone down the violence. And shaky camera carchase bullshit which is what I thought was one of the things people hate about bay so I don't know what your point is- I guess I wanted another ludicrous scene of a badguy armed to the hilt entering the room by smashing his own face and body through plate glass(good tactic?)- followed by one of the best staged fight scenes in movie history like the first one had.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Oh, and If you think that The Terminator is better than

    by lost.rules

    2001. You sir, are an idiot. 2001 is the greatest Sci-fi movie of all time. I'll take 2001 over E.T. any day. Oh, and Minority Report was ranked number 5. The Host number 7. Really, WTF is that?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Tired of the Hollywood Shite Sandwich

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    Why be so accepting of crap? Why "go see it anyway"? Until you stop paying for and promoting a subpar product you will continue to receive it. Sometimes nothing is better. <p>The cast for this movie is horrible. That guy who plays Shite LaPouf's dad is one of THE worst cheeseball character actors in hollywood. You see them in the trailers and wince.</p> <p>Evey review on AintItCool.com (a Steven Spieldberg Production) begins by admiting it is style over substance. Then goes on to say but it has great effects. So what- rollerskating bots that have eyeballs so the can "emote"? A good animator can make a red bouncing ball or a sack of flour "emote".</p> <p> Regrettably this crap movie will make money initially, but they will get bit in the ass regarding repeat business. That is where the fanbase comes in. That is where the studios are noticing that the target audience is not coming back for a subpar product. http://tinyurl.com/37veha That is why there is such a negative reaction to this movie.</p> <p>We the gainfully employed family raising informed market saavvy fanbase are tired of your shit sandwich, take it back and send the filet we ordered.</p> <p>....and also you (marketing machine) telling me it isn't when I know fully well that it is won't change it. The customer is informed and the days of seeing TPM 9 times in the theatre are gone.</P>

  • June 16, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    You DO love both, HWCBN!

    by Yack Backer

    And that's cool! What kind of TV do you have?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    IK

    by Pawprint

    I wasn't comparing those films to any of Bay's work, I was using the Matrix & SW as script examples, and ESB as an example of basic plot.<p> I wouldn't compare any of Bay's films to those films - least of all because Bay doesn't make that kind of film. Bay's films are about style and spectacle. I will happily admit to liking The Rock and Bad Boys - being two of the three films of his I've seen (hated BB2). But I really have no opinion on Bay as a director, despite his 2 out of 3 hit-rate (for me).<p> I usually stay away from scripts because they can bias you against a film falsely, ruin it or give you false expectation. And let's be honest - a script isn't an interesting read by it's very nature; they aren't novels.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Transformers Talkbacks...

    by CarbonGhost

    bringing out the passive aggressive fag in all of us.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Yack & Oppo upconverting DVD player

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    You make me smile. It's a beauty isn't it? You have one too I take it?

  • June 16, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    E.T. #1 Eternal Sunshine #2 Metropolis#3 Alien#4

    by lost.rules

    Minority Report#5....and the hilarity ensues.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Guy's; Thanks for Playing...

    by Pawprint

    I'm off now - my spelling and sentence structure are proper suffering because I'm so tired!<p>Keep on keeping on!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Not yet, but I'm waiting to purchase my 1080p display

    by Yack Backer

    I'm so freakin confused about which to get. I lean towards LCD because its resolution is "true HD" but then I see how beautiful plasmas look, with their colors and contrast ratio. Help me!!!!!!!!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Yack

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Samsung 40" LCD. It works fine for me, for now. I need to move up though.

  • June 16, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    2001 and lost.rules

    by Big Dick

    So who told you that 2001 is better than The Terminator? I doubt you formed that opinion on your own. The greatest Sci-Fi film of all time? Sounds like something you got out of a book. Let me guess, you're too afraid to form your own opinions so you depend on "respected" critics to form them for you. lost.rules, you're feminine.

  • June 16, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    I hear Plasmas may have seen the end of the road

    by MrJJonz

    I'm about to change mine (tube is going). I'm going the way of the LCD HDTV type doofah - prefer the picture to plasma which has never seemed quite right to me

  • June 16, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    Regularfacetoht

    by lost.rules

    That was a great review. I will definetly go see it now. I mean it has tits and explosions and giant fighting robots. What more could you want?

  • June 16, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I hate plasmas

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    LCD rules all. Just my opinion, not fact. I game a lot too, so LCD pwns Plasma for gaming.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    "Cyborgs don't feel pain. I do."

    by lost.rules

    Shakespeare would be proud, Little Dick.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Transposeurs a Michael Bay Phlegm

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    "when gay just isn't gay enough"

  • June 16, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Memories of Murder

    by Big Dick

    If you're not offended by being called feminine then you must be. Memories of Murder, you are feminine.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Cyborgs. . .

    by Big Dick

    You think Cameron was trying to be Shakespeare? You're dumber than I thought. No wonder you're so upset with the Transformers movie.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I don't game much at all

    by Yack Backer

    so Plasma is awesome for watching films. But then again, Plasmas lose their mojo after a few years of use. LCDs have strange technical problems too (clouding) but my bottom line is that for $2K and above, these sets should be fucking awesome, no defects, etc. I'm going to wait a year and see what happens (unless the prices continue to drop!)

  • June 16, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Little Dick

    by lost.rules

    I know you're a studio plant and all, but you gotta admit The Terminator hasn't aged well. Oh, and what's it like to have Michael Bay's dick in your mouth?

  • June 16, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    You are very wise to wait Yack

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I just couldn't resist. I really don't like the plasma performace issues & longevity though..

  • June 16, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Keep waiting Yack

    by MrJJonz

    Prices will drop further and something new and better will rpobably come out - seems to happen every couple of years

  • June 16, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Lost Rules and Memories

    by Big Dick

    It's funny how Memories tries to protect Lost.Rules. I knew there was something to my feminine comment. So who plays the woman?

  • June 16, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Lost.Rules

    by Big Dick

    You're the one with a boyfriend trying to protect you on the board. How does Memories of Murders sh-it taste?

  • June 16, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but waiting is tough!

    by Yack Backer

    I want to throw myself into Oppo land and watch THE THIRD MAN in glorious upscaled HD!

  • June 16, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Lost.Rules

    by Big Dick

    You're the one with a boyfriend trying to protect you on the board. How does Memories of Murder's sh-it taste?

  • June 16, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Little Dick

    by lost.rules

    It tastes nutty.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    So, Don Murphy/Little Dick

    by lost.rules

    How long can Michael Gay keep it up? Does he go for hours?

  • June 16, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Yack

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Did you know I had that horrible Third Man post of mine removed by an AICN admin? Yeah, I'm a dork, but I felt like a total asshole spoiling that film. I hate those who spoil without proper warning. <P> The Third Man (new double dip version) looks sweet. The OPPO will not disappoint you. Watched it last night.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    WAIT! WAIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

    by Boober

    If the OFFICIAL TF WAR has FINALLY started, I NEED TO KNOW WHAT SIDE I'm ON!!!! ARE THE FANS/APOLOGISTS/OPTIMISTS/PRO-BAY/WAIT-TO-SEE it TYPES Autobots or Decepticons???? ARE THE HATERS/BAY-BASHERS/PESSIMISTS Autobots or Decepticons???? We have a real Machiavellian conundrum. I must know so I can slay my enemies with electronic prose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 16, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS is akin to an

    by thegreatwhatzit

    TRANSFORMERS is akin to an expensive Charlie Band movie; not unlike Band, entrepreneur Michael Bay has tailored a product reel for toy puppets and action figures. After milking the franchise, Bay's robots will cross over to other mediums to test the currency ($$$): the robots will dress in drag for a Hallmark "Little Women" special...a couple of the robots will tap dance for Hillary Clinton's fundraisers ("Why aren't you boys wearing pants?," Hillary grins as Bill Clinton draws a bull's eye on the roof of his Harlem office: "You boys can use this as target practice, I wouldn't be caught dead in this neighborhood")...and then there's the inevitable Christmas special (the robots destroy Mexico to avenge Santa's abduction). Bitch all you want, I'm sure the movie will look slick and make a ton of money: its corrosive influence may bring back silent movies (no dialogue necessary, just an audio track full of explosions).

  • June 16, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    I'm rooting for the Decepticons....

    by lost.rules

    cause the humans characters suck!

  • June 16, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay

    by Big Dick

    I don't know about Michael Bay, but from what I hear from the Washington Redskins, your mom has some stamina.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    YOUR MOM

    by lost.rules

    So original, little dick. But if you're a Redskins fan, then it you that I pitty.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Joe Gibbs a has been

    by lost.rules

    Michael Bay a never was

  • June 16, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Yeah I saw that Roland came through

    by Yack Backer

    Yours was an honest mistake. I was freaking out when I saw the post, thinking "NO!!!" But in the end, that was pretty funny stuff. So,where do you fall on the next-gen disc debate? HD-DVD or BR?

  • June 16, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Jeez, SPOILER ALERT!!!

    by Rightcouch

    I read halfway through the first one before I realized I'd probably just ruined the entire movie for myself. Thanks, Ain't It Cool.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    I'm not a Redskins fan. . .

    by Big Dick

    but apparently your mom is.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    But I don't join in on the debates. <P> You know what looks sweet upscaled? To Catch A Thief. Tiggity-tight.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Shia Lebouf Kills Megatron!!!! Then, he fucks a cat.

    by lost.rules

    Oh, Spoiler alert.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Mr Memories

    by Big Dick

    I would talk about your spelling and grammar but that's above me, even though it is at a 5th grade level. It's OK if you have a secret relationship with lost.rules. You're so worried about my closet it's apparant that you're in one. Lost.rules also already let the world know that he know how your s-hit tastes. Even if that experience didn't come from something sexual, I'm sure it was fucked up, whatever it was.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Guys, what happened?

    by GrandpaUlrira

    I'm starting to fear this movie was designed to cause a civil war, so that we destroy ourselves!

  • June 16, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    blue ray, hd dvd and D- theater

    by Admiral Kirk

    You need them all basically. If microsoft has their way there won't be an hd disc format in 5 years. You'll be paying for a subpar download that's only 720rez with compressed audio that will expire on you.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Yack you have the Patience of a saint

    by Phategod2

    I cant believe How many times you've typed the same thing over and over and Pawprint refuses to get it. At the same time for someone who has no sentiment in Transformers why do you protest. Your whole argument is that Transformers is not worthy of being taken seriously If thats the case what the hell is the point of making a movie about them. If Speilberg, Bay, or any of the other studios that Desanto and Murphy said passed on the oppertunity where smart, according to you they could have stole the Idea named the movie something else and made as much money and not pissed any one off but Desanto and Donnie 2'C,s.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    You know how I know you're gay?

    by lost.rules

    Your name is Big Dick. Oh, it's like being on the playground again.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    And Yack this better not be another stunt

    by Phategod2

    Like with Ricky H

  • June 16, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Hey Phate

    by Yack Backer

    Thanks for noticing my tempered approach. I may not have made any progress with Paw, but I think it was obvious that I gave him a fair shake.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    My name, lost.rules. . .

    by Big Dick

    caught your attention didn't it. Now who's gay?

  • June 16, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Haha, no, not another stunt

    by Yack Backer

    Rickey and I hatched that over beers one night. Ah, we had some of you going for a bit. I love how BSB immediately started yelling at Rickey too. Classic stuff. You live in DC, am I right?

  • June 16, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Indeed...

    by Quintus_Arrius

    I HATE Ang 'BrokeDick Lee's Hulk debacle. <p> Hail fighting robots!

  • June 16, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Lost.Rules. . .

    by Big Dick

    saw "Big Dick" and started thinking about Memories-of-Murder.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    I'm in Philly

    by Phategod2

    Your in NYC if I remember Correctly.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    lost.rules. . .

    by Big Dick

    saw "Big Dick" and started thinking about Memories-of-Murder.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    why steal when you can "reinvent"

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    The Transformers Brand has value. Hasbro had their best year ever last year and Tformers was the tentpole. Hasbro has the organization/licensing/and distribution setup already. Plus Spieldburb et al. knew they could easily get buy in from a major auto manufacturer. why makeup something when a franchise that has a 20 year history (to be mostly ignored) is sitting waiting to go. <p> Hasbro is as much to blame for the Transbayers, they signed off on it. Meanwhile they make money on the classics line and the 15 different variations of those new crappy looking things with the suck ass face sculpts.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

    by lost.rules

    I'm tired of this TB. Your all GAY! I'm GAY. EVERTHING IS GAY! Especially, Michael Bay. Good night.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Hasbro are to blame as much as Bay?????

    by MrJJonz

    Ummmm no. Bay directs shit films. Hasbro just sell toys and will happily have shit films made if it sells more toys.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I won!

    by Big Dick

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  • June 16, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Hasbro could have said no

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    They could have stopped his eyeball having goatee hanging no mouth guard on all the time air vent covered flame enhanced chicken legged abomination.. yet they were complicit. Bay had all the shitty ideas and they could have said "no".

  • June 16, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    And the Academy Award for Best Cat Fucking....

    by lost.rules

    goes to.... Ben Affleck. Oh, Shia Lebouf is devestated. This is a real upset.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    1178Hunterbosser

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    That's why I always have and always will blame Hasbro. They should have demanded better treatment of their IP.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Hasbro never gonna say no

    by MrJJonz

    They have toys to sell. Bay just peddles shit and probably thinks its quality

  • June 16, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    best supporting cat fucker goes to Shite

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    It was that "Tom Hanks" quality that put him over the top. Catch him in 9 different films all at the same time this summer. "This years Collin Farrell" - Shite Lapouf is here to stay!

  • June 16, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Later Yack

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I'm out too.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    700th!

    by Pennsy

    So there.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    701st

    by MrJJonz

    so there

  • June 16, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    702

    by MrJJonz

    Mummy wow!! I count big numbers now!

  • June 16, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    "some of the action here

    by Fenrisulfr

    "some of the action here (...) is so fast that it's hard to distinguish who is who, who is good, who is bad and what's happening. I think that's why I missed Megatron's arm cannon." I'm laughing my ass off here. ALRIGHT, SO THE ACTION IS UBER COOL BUT YOU CANT SEE SHIT. Is that it? That's what I call great filmmaking !! All of you should go suck Michael Bay's dick.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Guys just cool it...

    by BohemianMac

    In thirty years these films (TINO, POTC, ect.) will be like mordern day predictable 80's action movies. Stale scripts, outdated special effects, and marked lower than $5.99 at Wal Mart.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    You may have to stand in line for this blockbuster.

    by JDanielP

    CAN... NOT... WAIT!!!

  • June 16, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Please Don't Use My Name...

    by ZeroCorpse

    You can call me "Please Don't Get Me Fired, Obscenely Rich Studio Execs!"

  • June 16, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Anyone else remember when the best summer movies...

    by DarthCorleone

    ...didn't have to have this disclaimer of being admittedly "stupid" or merely "popcorn"? Hell, there had to be some of them, didn't there? I'm not merely being grumpy, old, and mistakenly nostalgic, am I? Hell, the second review lost me when it said "it certainly is a Michael Bay film." All the apologist bullshit in the world about great effects and good action will never replace true characters and dialogue and a plot that makes sense, which is a rather minimal request in the first place.<br><br>Who knows? Maybe I'll enjoy this, and I'll readily admit it if I do. I simply do feel sometimes as if the bar of what constitutes a good summer movie continues to be lowered.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST

    you mother fuckers...

    by thekylegassproject

    you still don't get it do you? if someone is going to make a LIVE ACTION transformers movie, shouldn't it be the man who is notorious for spending more money than anyone in history on his projects. bottom line...LIVE ACTION transformers is about one thing. seeing giant fucking robots go head to head in a giant spectacle for the eyes. this is a SPECIAL EFFECTS DRIVEN MOVIE. as it should be...so get the fuck over it...fucking haters.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    I hate to say it in the current mood of the talkback...

    by Deus Vult

    But here's the deal guys...if you loved transformers cartoons as kids like I did and are pissed because you think this movie's gonna suck due to Bay's alterations and you really want a movie more like the cartoons then I suggest you rent or tivo some of the old episodes (ie: not the movie) and then check back in with me as to how much you REALLY want a movie based on the cartoons.<p>And here's why: THEY'RE AWFUL. TRULY TERRIBLE. THE WORST. Its true fellas and you've got to face up to it. You liked them at age 8 and if you're expecting a movie which is translated directly from the cartoon to keep you interested age 32 you're not in the right frame of mind.<p>I'm prepared to get flamed for this but in the end the transformers are just a toy line from takara and bandai combined from 1974 which hasbro got their hands on ten years later and created a story around them which never existed.<p>If you want something from your golden age 80's childhood with good characterization and story rent or dvr/on-demand Say Anything.<p>That is all...

  • June 16, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Two things...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    One: Bumblebee is a camaro because VW refuses to allow their cars to be used in warfare. Been that way for 20 years... One of the reasons you haven't seen much of BB in Transformers since G1. Same with the Porche Jazz. Porche is mostly controlled by VW, so same rules apply.<p><p> Other thing I can't wait to see is the on screen battle between a camaro and a mustang... Two lifelong rivals still duking it out, but this time in actual combat! Worth a ticket by itself!

  • June 16, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Uh Deus...

    by PUSSY ON OPTIMUS

    Anybody who's been following the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS TB saga for any amount of time longer than 5 minutes should know that very little criticism about this movie has anything to do with how closely it matches the cartoon. It has much more to do with the fact that PUSSY ON OPTIMUS is just going to be a shitty movie, chock full of all the dumbass bullshit that caters to the lowest common denominator and insults the intelligence of everyone else (which is apparently a very small number of TBers). Flames on Optimus is the Transformers equivalent of organic webshooters, and in a decent movie it wouldn't have mattered as much if at all.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    TINO GOTTA EAT!

    by dudemandude

    I've followed TF from the beginning, like quite a few of you. I enjoyed it immensely as a child and as a 36 year old adult with children, I still get a smile from it. As an adult now I can also see the flaws in the cartoon and animated film, but nostalgia and that childhood connection cause me to chuckle at those moments. The good and bad of the material both add to the character of it, I believe. (Personally, I feel the comics we're better written). As far as the live action film, I don't get the impression that it is unwatchable. I certainly can understand the disappointment that a lot of us "Purist Fans" feel with the poor script, radical departure in designs, and the choice of Michael Bay as director. But it's time to end the debate. The film is made my friends. We've reached the point of no return on this one I'm afraid. Despite the problems, this film will still touch on your nostalgia-bone, it will still draw both ire and smiles, it will still draw you back to your childhood and I think that's the most important part. I am not making excuses for poor film making, especially with Mr. Spielberg, to me it's disrespectful to us the consumer. Why? Because we know he is capable of top notch work. We should always expect the best from whatever it is we spend our hard earned dollars on, movies or otherwise. I can't help but feel that flaws and all, we will still enjoy this movie. Sure there will be moments where we cringe, but as I mentioned earlier the source material has those moments as well. There will also be those times when our inner child is reawakened and bursts out of us with cries of HOOAH! and the like. And I am willing to bet there will be more of the latter than the former. If the film ends up being really poor, in a few years it will be remade and perhaps done better, like Batman Begins. It's a shame it wasn't done to perfection the first go round, but what is perfect besides Plato's dialogs and our Lord? Not much. A bad TF film or a good TF film will not change the world I'm afraid. Just give it a chance and then decide for yourselves if it's good or bad, isn't that capitalism? Vote with your dollar right? Those who liked it will see it multiple times, those who don't won't. I'm just sorry to see all the violent and disrespectful hate speech being hurled back and forth. We all love the TF's shouldn't that bring us together? I, for one, will go and see the film on the 4th (my son's bday!) in the hopes that the film will bring forth my feelings of nostalgia and create a new generation of fans in our children that will grow up to love the TF's modernized for a new era. See you there! -Dude

  • June 16, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Once upon a time...

    by Boober

    nerds (I say nerds, because geeks are at least technically proficient at something) enjoyed movies through eyes, unjaded, young, and innocent. Alas, they grew up unfullfilled and found an outlet that made them feel important - turning them into jaded, self-obsessed, self-righteous, counter-productive, non-constructive, denegrating mouthbreathers that need a good punch in the neck. The end.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    got it POO and Yack

    by Deus Vult

    and in truth I only read a few dozen of the 700+ posts in this talkback but I have read others and from what I could tell people were angry at the simple alterations to a story line that was really nothing more than a 22 minute commercial for a kit-bashed toyline. I hope that makes sense.<P>In the end I can see and understand why die-hard fans are screaming TINO over and over again but hey the beauty of the situation here is that we can choose to see the movie or not. I for one am going for the hot tits broad...

  • June 16, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    P.S...

    by Boober

    I hope this movie is such a blast to watch that haters break their necks falling over each other to post about the minutia(e)that they "know" equals the end of good movie-making as we know it. At least by then, they can justify it by saying they have seen it. laf. I hope it is Jurassic Park meets Ghostbusters meets Big Trouble in Little China meets Cameron's Alien(s) good. That's right, I went there.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Why this movie blows...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    From the review - "I liked how even some of the Autobots wonder why they can't just do away with the pesky humans but Optimus insists that have as much a right to live as they do." - there it is in a fucking nutshell, and if you don't understand what I'm saying then you're retarded and deserve more shit like FF2.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    dudemandude

    by SlickyVonBoner

    I was gonna write this lengthy post, then I read yours and it expressed my views exactly. Transformers was second only to Star Wars when I was a kid. I waited forever for a Transformers film to be made. Michael Bay is directing, I never cared for his films, save The Rock. They changed some of the mythology. Where's the matrix, ark, spark, oracle? The film is made, we can't change that. I hope it's fun and brings me back 20 years. Call me optimistic. Let's hope the movie does well, warrants a sequel, execs take it more seriously and Michael Bay doesn't want to touch it!!

  • June 17, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    GurzEon

    by dudemandude

    Perhaps you are right. I don't know if I would characterize it as "Pissing all over TF" per say, he's just presenting his vision of TF. His vision just differs from ours. It's all in the eye of the beholder. I would personally prefer the gen 1 characters myself, and I feel the same way with Superman and the X-Men, give me the originals. I also wanted to see a true Galactus, but that's not the way it worked out. Instead of being angry at each other over our opinions, direct it at the studio, it would be more constructive. I stand by what I said earlier, there will be parts we'll love and parts we won't as with all things. I find it hard to believe that Michael Bay is a vindictive person that intentionally made a film that fans of the source material would hate. I think he's trying to draw in a new generation, our children. I mean seriously, look at Beast Wars, Energon, etc.. in my mind those spin off's we're poor and I don't factor them into TF lore. Perhaps this film will be viewed similarly, perhaps it will be better, we'll just have to wait and see. Truthfully I can't imagine it being worse than Beast Wars.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Does anyone know how much money

    by Colonel Activity

    FF2 made? Was it "good"? Did Shia "fuck" a cat?

  • June 17, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Thank You Mr. Von Boner

    by dudemandude

    Thank you for your kind words. If only I could have expressed myself as succinctly as you did! :) I too am a "glass half full" sort of guy and I'm hoping for the best. I doubt Mr. Bay would touch a sequel, he doesn't seem to do them. Yay! :) Personally flames on Optimus didn't rile me as much as Starscream's redesign, Megatron's redesign, and Optimus speaking with a visible mouth. But I will live! And I will drop a line to the studio requesting that the next film give a bit more back to us "old schoolers." At this point that's all we can really do anyway. Cheers! -Dude

  • June 17, 2007, 12:30 a.m. CST

    TINO Toys

    by Colonel Activity

    As a 26-year-old man, I can't imagine anything more embarassing than being scorned for buying the wrong kind of toys. I wouldn't be able to show up for club rugby for a while, that's for sure.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    I did go back recently

    by Phategod1

    and watch the pilot episodes of Transformers wondering will I like them with 29 yr old eyes and guess what? The show holds up. The Reason why the Transformers came to earth, what happens afterwards is all believable. Not to say it perfect but that Pilot could have been adapted into a workable plausible script. The one thing this project has been missing since Bay was announced was Respect and that why we hate, The complete and utter lack of respect.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST

    GurzEon

    by dudemandude

    I am sorry that those "fans" ridicule others for looking forward to seeing this film. That to me speaks volumes to the immaturity and intolerance that is being vocalized in this debate. I wish more would just agree to disagree. :) I can't speak for Mr. Bay, I don't know him or anyone famous, hell I've never been to Hollywood. It is possible he doesn't share our feelings on the material, then again isn't it possible he wants to evolve it for modern times? I just don't know. I don't think it would've been difficult to find someone who shared a love for TF like Peter Jackson had with LOTR, but perhaps those directors were not available or they didn't have the experience or skill? It's anyone's guess. I have faith that someday we will get the film you and I and many others dream of seeing, but until that day, until all are one ;) we will have to write the studio and give this run at it a shot. On a side note I am very interested to hear from you and others on what you would have liked to see in a TF film. Not what you would change in this one but what did/do you have in mind as the ideal TF film? I can't wait to hear everyone's ideas! Cheers! -Dude

  • June 17, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Beast Wars was OK

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Beast Machines I kinda enjoyed. Only lasted 2 seasons and ended kinda lame. Cybertron transformed into a bio-mechanical paradise. The problem with all of the TF cartoons is that there wasn't a clearly-define universe, no timeline. I think Hasbro is to blame for this. Optimus is a truck, firetruck, plane, ape! Megatron is a gun, tank, T-rex, dragon!

  • June 17, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    FU GurzEon! LOL

    by boogy110

    BAY DIDN'T RAPE YOUR CHILDHOOD..THAT WAS YOUR FATHER WHO DID THAT, LOL! And as for DudeManDude? His was the most intelligent view in this entire blog.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST

    TRANSFORMER toy mocks you

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Yeh, all the damn TRANSFORMER toys are entirely inflexible: zip mobility, zip transformation. Check-out the "talking robot" action figure. Pull the string and it says, "You paid $10 to see this crapfest of a movie? Asshole! HahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHA! Douchebag!" It'll be the Christmas gift that keeps on giving..."

  • June 17, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    My bad? My bad??? MY FUCKING BAD???

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    I'm going to HATE this film. My fucking bad indeed.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    This could be fun,

    by SlickyVonBoner

    The ideal film for me? Starts like G1. Shows the different personalities of the autobots and deceps. Show cybertron. Also the special abilities. Mirage-invisibility. Hound-holograms. Starscream-null rays. I support an 'upgraded' design to the G1. The key design point would be to make them as close to the originals as possible, while making them believable and realistic. The story should be about the TRANSFORMERS. surprise. It is the name of the movie. Though human interaction would give a good POV perspective.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Phategod and others

    by dudemandude

    I agree with you that the pilot would make a great film with a few tweaks here and there. That's the direction I would have taken (guess that's why they didn't call me for the job!). :) I agree with you again Mr. Von Boner with your comment on the TF universe. They were all over the map! A clearly defined universe would've helped a lot!

  • June 17, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Boogy110 and Von Boner

    by dudemandude

    Firstly let me say thank you very much for your kind words Boogy110. You brought quite a smile to my face :) SicklyVonBoner, once again you and I are in agreement. You just gave , in my mind, the outline for a wonderful TF film! You my friend should pen out a story and run with it. I say this because I believe what you stated is the story/film the majority of us fans wanted to see. Bravo for hitting it directly on the head! Cheers -Dude

  • June 17, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Thanks dudemandude

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Thanks for bringing the talkback to a respectable level for a change. I understand the haters. I just choose not to be one until I see the movie. After all, I just like going to the movies.

  • June 17, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Just a thought..

    by dudemandude

    I am completely ignorant of the workings of Hollywood and film in many regards. My question is, how much control over a film does a director actually have? Can the director change a script or do they have to work within that framework? What about the producers and studio, what control or input over the film do they have? I'm curious because I wonder where the buck stops, so to speak. Does the blame lie on Mr. Bay or the individual who penned the script?

  • June 17, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    SlickyVonBoner

    by dudemandude

    You're quite welcome. ;) I've been a casual reader to this website since it's interception but I've rarely if ever participated in any discussion. I just wanted to put in my two cents like anyone else I suppose! :) Personally, I'm not big into reviews myself, I can make up my own mind on a film without a strangers' help, yano? But I do like to read through them after I've seen a movie to see where the critic and myself agreed and disagreed. In truth I find the reviews to be of rather poor quality on this website and find the news of upcoming films to be more informative. :)

  • June 17, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Directors.

    by SlickyVonBoner

    I believe the job of the director is to take the story from the script and put it into visual/audio form. They 'interpret' the material and put their twists and takes on the story to film. They direct the sets, the actors, the effects. Some directors have more say then others. Some tweak or change the script as they see fit. This can be bad if the script is good, or can help a poor script. That, I think, makes them the most important part in the creation of a movie. I wonder if anyone who knows/works in the business can comment?

  • June 17, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    GurzEon

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Honestly. Talkbackers don't defined my life. Most people I know are actually psyched to see this movie and I'll admit a part of me is too. I couldn't believe this many talkbackers were interested in this film. I could believe I'm hearing people at work talking about seeing this movie. Damn Michael Bay for making me interested in one of his films. If it sucks, I'll gladly admit it. God knows there's been alot of bad flicks lately. I have a feeling I'll like some parts, but loathe others, like Spidey 3. I just can't shoot down a film I haven't seen. That's just me.

  • June 17, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    When the scriptwriter was writing the script....

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    ....and he typed "Optimus Prime: My bad.".....didn't he feel like a total retard in that moment?

  • June 17, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    SlickyVonBoner

    by dudemandude

    Okay, your description of the directors' roll makes perfect sense to me. Then I would have to say if this film turns out to be disappointing then the blame would have to fall on Mr. Bay and the writer of the script as well as the studio for approving a sub-par script, with the majority of the weight falling on Mr. Bays' shoulders. That being said I feel much the same way as you do about the film and film quality in general as of late. There will be enjoyable moments and areas that could use improvement. Movies as of late have been quite horrid in my opinion. I am finding it ever more difficult to add much to my DVD library these days, which is a shame. When I observe Hollywood I can't help but realize the golden era has passed in many ways. :(

  • June 17, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    The 80's and early 90s

    by SlickyVonBoner

    To me had the best films in the sci-fi and action genres. Hollywood needs a reboot.

  • June 17, 2007, 1:50 a.m. CST

    That's a whole lot of druken ramblin'

    by SlickyVonBoner

    for me. Gotta work 12 hrs tomorrow. Later kids. Play nice.

  • June 17, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    I can't believe I'm about to defend Bay...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...in any way shape or form, but here goes.<p> While Bay is certainly a hack and has had a lot of control over this, there are a lot of people who have a big say in how a movie is created. The producers and investors control the money and inevitably they will demand to be heard and get something they want into a film, and since a director works for them it happens all the time. The phrase "You know what I think would be cool in this movie?" could be translated into "Here's my new idea that you are going to put into the movie whether you like it or not." It's a disgusting game that is constantly played in Hollywood.<p> The flipside to that is surrounding yourself with "Yes Men" and controlling every teenie aspect of your movie from the money right on through to editing like George Lucas, also a very bad and disgusting way to go.<p> Independant filmmakers are the closest thing we're ever going to get to having actual artists working on films, but I keep hoping that some of our bitching about this and crap like FF2 might actually be heard eventually and maybe someone in Hollywood will find in themselves some shread of dignity and integrity.<p> **cue John Lennon's Imagine**<p> FADE TO BLACK

  • June 17, 2007, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Me too!

    by dudemandude

    Well at least the ramblin' and workin' tomorrow! ;) It was a pure pleasure to talk with everyone this evening! I hope everyone has a great night! Cheers -Dude

  • June 17, 2007, 2:09 a.m. CST

    You know what...

    by nonsensical

    All I do now in a TF talkbacks is look for BSB and Yackbacker posts to make sure I don't say the same things. <p> We are of like opinions on this I think so everything I would say has already been said except this. <p> Bayformers Kun-Fu is weak. All flash and no power.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Damn I should get some sleep...

    by nonsensical

    Apparently I need commas, and to fix my "G" key so that it's Kung-Fu instead of Kun-Fu. <p> Typos anyone?

  • June 17, 2007, 2:42 a.m. CST

    some dark knight set photos for you guys

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/yunatron/sets/72157600351095408/

  • June 17, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Phategod1 and dudeman

    by BRUTICUS

    I think the pilot could have definitely been reworked into a live action film. I love the idea that the Autobots and Decepticons both want to get home to Cybertron. The Autobots want to protect the humans on Earth but they will keep the battle here amongst the humans by sabotaging the Decepticons launch to Cybertron to keep Megatron from going back to their home world and claiming it. There is an interesting struggle there. They want to protect the humans but not at the expense of giving up Cybertron to the Decepticons.<p><p><p>One of the coolest factors to me was that they were crashed here on Earth for 4 million years. EVEN BEFORE humans had evolved. I love that. It drives the point home how ancient and yet advanced these creatures are. It forces you to imagine how many civilizations there must be out there if these robots have an inbred instinctive function to disguise themselves as a civilizations vehicles. It really makes you as a human, feel small in a suddenly much larger universe. And then you see Megatron and Starscream calling the humans "pathetic flesh creatures" "earth germs" etc and laughing at our military trying to take them down. The extent of the Decepticon power coupled with the extent of their technological prowess and ancientness makes humans just seem very small in contrast to everything. <p><p>The only ones woul could possibly save us would be the Autobots.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Ugh on one "funny" moment...

    by Nodwick

    "It's funny when he changes the radio station for songs to create a mood between Sam and to-be girlfriend Mikaela." Great. An homage to "Herbie, the Love Bug." Oh, well. Gotta have the comic relief for the kiddies, I guess.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    My first post, oh and this movie looks cool

    by caveman_astronaut

    It looks cool as balls! Anyway, hope to meet more of you narcissistic bastrds! lol Caveman out!

  • June 17, 2007, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Arggh i hate typos

    by caveman_astronaut

    But you get the gist. Oh and damn you Michael Bay!! (just to fit in)

  • June 17, 2007, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Another thing

    by Phategod1

    The staff has come up with rediculous reasons as to why the Pilot wouldn't work and basically stated that the Transformer origin and purpose had to be simplified In the first 2 minutes of the pilot the narrator explains everything that needs to be known about the Transformers. Now I just saw Desanto on a TV show, and It's funny he's a producer and he claims that he's Transfomer fanboy from jersey but I questioned Bay about the Flames and basically he said, Bay said some crap about camera angles and he bout it, Then when question about the lips Desanto Said something to the like that when someone speaks you need to be able to see there lips but shoots his own answer down by saying that "They where able to convey that with Vader by the nodding of his head" and glosses over his own answer. Its funny he and Murphy are the producer but it seems The became Bay's bitch hook, line, and sinker. Oh yeah he called Soundwave a Boombox, Soundwave was tape player Blaster was a Boom box. SO desanto himself could be considered a Plant.

  • June 17, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    By the way

    by caveman_astronaut

    Flames on Optimus make him the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet

  • June 17, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Oh and

    by caveman_astronaut

    Flames on Optimus make him have a beer and cheets on his wife Is anyone still here??

  • June 17, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Pawprint I agree with you

    by caveman_astronaut

    Um though not quite as vehemently, anyway, It looks cool enough I guess

  • June 17, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    flames on cars are so lame now

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    go look at the lame preppy boys car you see

  • June 17, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    FLAME ON=LAME ON

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

  • June 17, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    supercowbell I guess

    by caveman_astronaut

    We are the only ones up, anyway, I have found your previous posts postively entertaining, u multi-banned bastard! lol keep up the good word! Oh and Hulk Hogan said to Optimus :You look like a flaming pussy, Brother!"

  • June 17, 2007, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Megan Fox for Wonder Woman

    by DarthBakpao

    That would make a foxy WW

  • June 17, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    M.O.M.

    by caveman_astronaut

    So basically you mean Damn you Michael Bay?

  • June 17, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Wow...both reviews make this movie sound like crap.

    by Negative Man

    <p>“…the plot is paper-thin but it doesn't even matter.”</p><p>“It's funny when he changes the radio station for songs to create a mood between Sam and to-be girlfriend Mikaela…”</p><p>“Megan Fox…her dialogue is drivel and she serves almost no purpose other than the unlikely love interest. “</p><p>“…but all of Bay's signature directorial moves are there. The same bombastic music and musical cues he always uses, the illogical chases (run the bad guy's so close!, jumpcut, the bad guy is inexplicably gone), the crazy authority figure (John Turturro, in his worst role I have seen), the nonstop-shouting-as-witty-dialogue, and, of course, great production values and effects.”</p><p>In essence, they both liked the special effects, the transformations and battle scenes. So, in effect, it’s just a bunch of really cool cut scenes from some console video game system. Sounds like a classic.</p><p>But, holding true to the purpose of the cartoon series, we now have a two hour commercial for toys. Not only that, we have to PAY to see the commercial! Rather, a bunch of you will. Bay has burned me enough with his crapfests, no more money from my pocket. This guy directed Bad Boys I & II, The Island, Armageddon, and Pearl Harbor…for God sakes, people, PEARL HARBOR!!! This guy should be paying <u>us</u> to see his movies!</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 5:51 a.m. CST

    memories-of-murder

    by caveman_astronaut

    Hey your my first reply! Thanks dude! Oh and f*** Michael Bay up his shallow arse!

  • June 17, 2007, 5:57 a.m. CST

    cavemanthanks and i hate getting fuckin banned

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    and m-o-m bad boys 2 was fuckin tite. your crazy! your crazy! your crazy! your crazy! your crazy! your crazy! and cut

  • June 17, 2007, 6 a.m. CST

    DAMN kim kasharian knows how to give head

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    its incredible. and know im not beatin the meat i just wanted to see what all the fuss over her was about. and the fuss is good.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Summer films for fun not made for the critics//

    by DevilDog2007

    Summer popcorn films as they've been called for ages (i think) are just that almost all the ones that get reviewed that aren't Pixar or Knocked up type films seem to get the blunt end but remember you're still watching and it's all about the effects and action for these..period

  • June 17, 2007, 6:12 a.m. CST

    what is this movie about?

    by Mr Gorilla

    OK it's got cars that turn into robots, got that. But what is it fucking ABOUT? Star Wars is about good and evil. Harry Potter is about growing up. X Men was about being different. (All subject to interpretation - but at least there's something to interpret, yeah?) So... What is TRANFORMERS about? What's it actually FUCKING ABOUT? NOTHING??? WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE!!! You mean it's a stunning collection of action set-pieces that everyone will have forgotten by Christmas? No? An empty vacuous movie from the man who gave us Bad Boys 2??? No, REALLY? By the way, the next guy who writes 'it's not meant to be fucking Shakespeare' is a total, a TOTAL and UTTER dickhead. Out.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    guaranteed prediction

    by DevilDog2007

    it's almost too easy now...let me guess the good reviews will come in for Hot Rod,SuperBad,and the Ten...not saying they wont be good but really...I will go to see almost every summer action and comedy out there..and not take it so freakin serious...I see many films but this is one of my only posts and even as I'm writing I'm thinking wow why am I doing this I've become one of the people who go see everything then bitch about it go again to the same type of film bitch some more...this persrson sucks that director sucks oh watch me go again to see their next film shit that sucked...very boring...wow very lame.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    megan fox for my girlfriend

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    since i cant find christina milian anywhere

  • June 17, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    yeah, that's right...

    by Mr Gorilla

    ...it's really lame to try to distinguish between a good movie that has ambition and integrity and humanity, and something that is designed to entertain us but no more than that. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH TRYING TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION? Everyone on this site makes that distinction in retropect - for example, Harry is very clear in his DVD column about what is an essential film, and what is an entertaining diversion - but for some reason when it comes to summer blockbusters everyone here decides to roll over and take it up the ass - hard - from the mafor studios. Why is that?

  • June 17, 2007, 6:32 a.m. CST

    My take on comic book movies

    by caveman_astronaut

    The way I see it, supporting comic book movies means helping ensure more get made. Sure most of them are silly crap but for all the mediocre ones like ff and daredevil, once in a while you get a spiderman 2 or batman begins and not supporting means not getting the diamonds among the dirt. Just enjoy them where you can, because this is as good as it will get for us genre fans i.m.h.o.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:35 a.m. CST

    because harry liked the blair witch 2

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    new phenomom right there. like FLAMES ON OPTIMUS and damn you michael bay. this will be added to the list . BECAUSE HARRY LIKED THE BLAIR WITCH 2. seriously wtf was he thinking lol

  • June 17, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    GurzEon ... a quick question if you don't mind...

    by Doctor_Kent1987

    How can this movie destroy what Transformers means to you? How? Is it gonna kick you inner child in the nuts take his Transformers lunch box and toys away and shit on them? What you're saying makes absolutely not fuckin' sense dude. The only thing that can tarnish what Transformers means to you is you. Bay can't do it. LaBeouf can't do it. Paramount can't do it. Only you hold the power to fuck up your own childhood. Don't look over to Bay and blame him for being too overly sensitive. I know Transformers means a lot to a lot of people. The Flames on Optimus is (I admit) a bit unorthodox and I figured as soon as I heard that Bay was directing it wouldn't be stocked on award winning story and performances. I had hoped Spielberg would come down off of his playmountain and direct this one. But he's giving us Indy 4 so I'll forgive him. I grew up watching Transformers, had some of the toys, watched the weird Beast Wars saga, and all that 90's stuff. It's a great premise. But this movie isn't going to fuck up what Transformers means to you unless you fuck it up yourself. BTW, wtf is up with all of these shitty reviews lately? Half the reviews on this site aren't even factual. Do you guys let any inebriated(sp?) idiot turn these damn things in? I watched F4:ROSS today, with my wife, for the fact I read that they got the Surfer right. They did, the movie wasn't half bad. But one of these legit. reviews stated that The Gaurdian showed up after the credits looking down on Earth. BS! pure bullshit. Another one for Spidey 3 stated twice, that it showed the lizard at the end, and another stated that Venom popped into screen. You really need to reign in this dipshit reviews. This site is becoming as reliable as playing craps.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    To GurzEon

    by Captain RawBeard

    It's probably a bit late, but your reply just shows to me the age of your mentality. It's sad and pathetic. If you havent seen the film then stop your unjustified hating.<br> <br> When I see the film and IF it turns out to be crap and I don't enjoy then I will voice my disapointment NOT before. I did the same with Spider-Man 3 a film I was hugely disapointed with. Now with Transformers all I am expecting in some kick ass action scenes and some story to tie them together. <br> <br> Now I am no Bay Apologist, Pearl Harbour was a load of crap, Armageddon started of ok but turned into a pile of sentimental drivel, Badboys 2 was style over substance but ok. I did enjoy the Island.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    m.o.m.

    by caveman_astronaut

    Yeah, I wish that genre films didnt depend on the average person to make them profitable, but they outnumber us, such is the plight of us fanboys, movies have to appeal to the lowest common denominator, frankly, I'm surprised movies these days arent worse than they are sometimes.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    m.o.m.

    by caveman_astronaut

    Good points, I admit, though you paint a fairly bleak picture :(

  • June 17, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    m.o.m.

    by caveman_astronaut

    Yeah, I guess the best thing would be to have the promoters of the movies be able to budget more for the quality films and less for the crap to get the word out the way it should in a perfect world, any aspiring film promoters on the talkbacks this is your call to arms :)

  • June 17, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    m.o.m.

    by caveman_astronaut

    I wish I knew, I'm new to posting here myself. Fortunately my ideas are fairly short and simple lol but so am I. Um figuratively I mean. Damn you Michael Bay!

  • June 17, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    The fallacy

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>"The way I see it, supporting comic book movies means helping ensure more get made."</p> <p> Are we better off because Daredevil got made? Catwoman? Elektra? Hulk? FF? Judge Dredd?</p> I say "no". <p>Do I get to move up in the nerd mafia ranks because I own every dvd (video format) of every comic based movie and ticket stubs from each opening night?</p> <p>Do I do the genre justice by continuing to line these hollywood yutz's pockets as they tell me what is wrong with something that has been around for 20 years. That they know how to tell a story and how to make it available for all audiences. They can fix it, and I will/must like it. Because I cannot criticize if I have not seen it. BS.</p> <p>How about the millionaires/billionaire pay me $10. to see it.</p> <p> They (Hollywood) will continue to make comic book movies and crappy ones at that because people continue to go see them for fear their might not be anymore. That is a total crock.</p> <p>Screw them and their reinterpreted trite shallow cliche ridden mindless vacuous hole know as "style" over substance.</p><p> and one more thing. Steven Speildberg is a has been (the skies part and lightning strikes) and Indy 4 sounds ridiculous. Indy 3 sucked for numerous reasons, and I know because I saw it multiple times. There is no reformer like an old sinner.</p> <p> The emporer has no clothes!!!</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    1178hunterbosser

    by caveman_astronaut

    I'm not saying i disagree with you, or that us real comicbook fans will ever have the power that the average moviegoer does to make comic book films stay profitable and keep getting made, but I stand by my position that as long as there is enough support to get comic book films made, we are better off than having them not made at all, just for the good ones I mentioned before. No support=no comic book movies made. Period. Whether that's a better alternative for some of you is up to you.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    CA

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>I agree, and I hear you.</p> <p>Some good has come from the the gluttony of awful films. The Batman and Superman animated series alone made up for a good bit.</p> <p> The point I meant to make and didn't was that the genre of comic books is here to stay. It has already proven to be viable and profitable. It is what is hot now and the cycle will move on, just as it did with westerns. They will use it up until there is no more left and move on.</p> <p>I just hope the ratio of good films to bad flips. It seemed like it would with the first Matrix movie (essentially Superman) and the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but then the Matrix sequels came out and things went downhill again.</p><p> Things won't change if we don't make them. Send them a message the only way they understand- box office. This Transposeurs movie is not going to be good, so I am not going to see it. However, Iron Man is proving interesting, so I might go see that. I will go see Hellboy 2 when it comes out, but I am not going to give a blank check for anything in the genre.</P> <p>Just my opinion.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    hunterbosser

    by caveman_astronaut

    Oh I agree, I believe that we get anything good out of the mediocrity that most of the genre movies end up to be is a miracle in itself, and you should definitely vote with your wallet only for the films that are worth your money. I'm just too amazed we live in a time we have this much choice to be as discriminating as i should be i guess lol

  • June 17, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Yes, YB see the clip in Sam's Backyard

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>Proof of what you speak. See the hilarity that ensues as Bumblebee mimes shush and waves off the other Autobots to be quiet and the delightful and next Tom Hanks Shite LApouf delivers his inspired speech to convince his father to not come outside. Sheer brilliance-comedic genius. Prime steps on a bird fountain. GUFAW! ...and then he says" My Bad" Giggle Snort Be still my heart- oh my my eyes are tearing up<p/> <p> M. Bay explained that the animation was really expensive so they had to have more human time in it. Which begs the question of why do it live action then. (of course he couldn't have stroked off the armed forces, again) Have you seen the WALL-E trailer for the next Pixar flick? Sad they did not go animated for this all the way. Gues they are still scared of what happened with FInal Fantasy, but some studio genius could have just put some penguins in it. </P> <p> You said up above that you blamed Hasbro for not protecting their Intellectual Property better.</P> <p> amen brother. I saw that new line in the stores and it blows. I happened upon an online survey for them (Hasbro) and let them have it regarding the direction they have taken with the property. Just words, but I figured it will represent the opinions of better than 1% of their consumers.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Just a bad summer for movies, guys.

    by lost.rules

    Don't feel bad. There's always next year. The Dark Knight can't get here soon enough!

  • June 17, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Call me superstious...

    by lost.rules

    but I think the new line of Transformer toys, that don't even TRANSFORM, is a bad omen for this movie.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    The new toys don't transform?

    by caveman_astronaut

    Thats as wrong as wrong can be!

  • June 17, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Oh, and one last thing.

    by lost.rules

    Harry Potter comes out a week after Transformers. So, I guarantee that TINO is only #1 for a week. Suck on that Michael Bay!

  • June 17, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    They know they have trouble at home

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>This explains the international word tour before coming to the states. They figure the money to be made is international. They want to hype up the rest of the world as insurance if they face a backlash (poor reviews) here.</p><p> It will make money because it is something different but it won't make what it could have.</p> <p> The real story is how their will be a banner ad on this site again and no bad reviews because no of them no anything about the backstory and are mezmerized by Big Gay Gobots Skating that go boom. Mori may be the standout, but Harry has lost all credibility. (Quint too- form his first stories about seeing the original designs- he didn't even know what color optimus was) He got too close to the source, he gets so much free swag and brags about it. He's not believable. He should go back to his roots and say what needs to be said. He is without a doubt exceedingly knowlegable and knows the material. He should take a stand and let hollywood know that they should shape up and stop criticing a movie but then buying the dvd and recommending it when it comes out.(Ghost Rider)</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    They do transform??!!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    Huh, maybe I was looking at the ones that don't. The one I saw had Optimus, flames and all, locked in robot position with a little cannon on his arm that light up and made a generic noise when you pushed a button. It really sucked.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Whatever they were, they were on display at Walmart

    by lost.rules

    which is probably why they sucked.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    Fuck Bay, his plant reviewers, and all his studio plants on this TB. I'm out!

  • June 17, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    I find it hysterical that

    by Reception Fades

    I find it hysterical that you have to justify having positive opinions of this movie by referring to them as "plants", because you obviously have no other way to legitimize yourself or your position on this movie. It's like if you went into a Lost thread, you'd immediately be thrown to the wolves for your plant-like name. Note to all, your sheer hatred of this movie is going to be the same reason it succeeds -- you have brought attention to it, and you will go and see it on the oft chance that it will disappoint. Oddly enough, you paid for that ticket.

  • June 17, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Have ANY Michael Bay movies aged well?

    by Drath

    I'm asking because I can't tell, having never liked any of them. And I guess I'm asking people who saw Bad Boys 1 back when it first came out and not as one of the crying infants that demented parents took with them to the theater. Do Bay's flicks age well for his fans or do they just pass out of mind like whatever your second or third period class was in all 4 years of High School?

  • June 17, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Reason for the hysteria...

    by Mr Gorilla

    ...is that people are accepting amazing special effects and visuals as a substitute for story and genuine excitement. You have to be able to tell the difference between genre classics like Matrix or Pan's Labyrinth and the also-rans. People are writing that Transformers is amazing, made them feel 10 years old etc - but on closer examination they say 'of course there's no story, but that's not what this is about'. Well i beg to fucking differ. In a summer blockbuster, it's ALL about a story that takes you on an exciting emotional rollercoaster. Isn't that what we all care about? Isn't that why we're all here? Isn't AINTITCOOL about NOT swallowing any old shit the studios serve up for us?

  • June 17, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    ill be seeing this movie

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    looks fuckin tite hopefully this movie is great

  • June 17, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    barf moment

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    The Rock- Sean Connery in the shower singing with that awful pony tail and then he supposedly throws that guy over the edge tethered to his hand. (gay stereotype for hair stylist in shock and awe)

  • June 17, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Some will see, but will they see it again?

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>http://tinyurl.com/37veha</p> Sources say "no".

  • June 17, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    VISUAL FX

    by iamhobo

    it's VISUAL fx not SPECIAL fx damnit!! when are people gonna learn the difference!

  • June 17, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I love Michael Bay moments!

    by RainJacket

    My favorite one is Jon Voight trying to stand up in Pearl Harbor. You rule, Michael Bay! I want Aerosmith to be in EVERY MOVIE YOU MAKE!!

  • June 17, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Considerin the length of this talkback

    by Mr Bonefish

    the movie is going to stir up some serious shit and green. People that are complaining about the film before they even see it are complete dipwads and lack any credibility. It is a known popcorn flick. Get used to it.

  • June 17, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    credibility for what?

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    to pay $10 for a popcorn flick?

  • June 17, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    one I paid to see the other...

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>...I rented.</p> <p>One was good, the other was all over the place and tried to cobble together to many other ideas and got lost in itself. <p>Now the question is which one is which.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Boycotting this movie

    by Screentime

    You think its OK to take a classic and then say "oh well, it's not shakespeare!" And then turn it into a joke? Make the main characters watered down backdrops? Belittle the hero and enemy forces by having the US Military take down the threat in exchange for military vehicle rentals? Turn the lead character (Bumblebee) Into a Camaro because ou signed a deal with GM and you didn't want the Volkswagen to come off as too similar to Herbie the Love Bug all because ou turned Bumblebee into a mute like Herbie the love bug forno fucking reason? You guys suck seriously. Bay lost. Again. And I was rooting for him.

  • June 17, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    one more for Pearl Harbor

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    Alec Baldwin as Jimmy Doolittle. Bar none his worst performance. That accent....make it stop.

  • June 17, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Fuck Speilberg too...

    by Screentime

    For letting Bay do this. Turn Transformers into a fucking "popcorn flick". You BOTH missed the mark.

  • June 17, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    What was speildberg's last good film for the genre

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>this decade</p> <p>crickets chirping</p> <p>last decade</p> <p>crickets chirping</p> <p>around 1981?</p> <p>resting on laurels</p> <p>spieldberg brand not so great for the genre</p> <p> spieldberg exec producer = BFD</p> <p> I mean that gymnast scene in JPII- good lord that was bad. so very very bad</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    so does that mean "suck"?

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    if it is going to blow in that sense- it only stands to reason...

  • June 17, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    that's why I clarified about the genre-

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>my point. he can't go back home.</p> <p>That new Indy, I can't believe anyone would want to see that in any way shape or form. Still time to cast the delightful Dakota Fanning?I mean her and Shite together- the screen will just explode. Epic.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Speilberg and Indy 4 (M of M)

    by Screentime

    Dude you're so right. It's no different than Lucas making Star Wars films that are parodies of Star Wars films. <p><p><p><p>Indy 4 = Episode 1

  • June 17, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    10 MINUTES OF DIE HARD 4

    by Fenrisulfr

    10 minutes of Die Hard 4 to watch on www.movieweb.com

  • June 17, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    serious filmmaker

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>what does that mean? There are only a few and the rest are just apathetic, mediocre or silly maybe? It's funny how "serious" is attached like that. the qualifier. If you are good - you are "serious". And what makes you move up to the serious ranking? An academy award? Is Kevin Costner serious? 8^)</p> <p>Kinda like "rocker" Tommy Lee. That guy is never called Tommy Lee, he is always qualified as Rocker Tommy Lee. Robert Plant is just Robert Plant.</p> <p>cracks me up.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I'm with you, Yackbacker, & WTF is with U.S. cinemas?

    by half vader

    Re: jingoistic fascist crap (and kids are FORCED to take the oath of allegiance? Does that still happen and isn't it ANTI-American in its basic nature?) in Bay movies, or U.S. flicks in general. Also, I was unpopular (as usual) from the start for not towing the "Oldboy is genius" line. If anyone here is a father they'd know what I'm saying. I mean, suspension of disbelief is fine but fuck me talk about stretching it! <p> Also, what is with American cinema chains being so stupid that you can do the switcheroo thing? Other places just have the number of the cinema in the multiplex printed next to the title of the film on the ticket. No need for a sign at the door and they get accurate stats. Easy. I'm not saying I'm against you sticking it to the man if you want to make a point, just wondering how they got themselves into the situation where you can do that when it didn't need to happen in the first place?! Weird.

  • June 17, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    no point - stream of consciousness

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    "1178Hunterbosser- yeah, that's it...the place I live" <p>just curious what the qualification is for "serious" in serious filmaker. Can you be serious without winning a major industry award.</p> <p> we know the qualifications for a "hack".</p> <p>example: Michael Bay (any film) who looks like that guy from "30 something" crossed with Ichabod Crane, and he's a hack to boot.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    separated at birth?

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005022/</p> <p>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000881/</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    M-O-M - good ones!!!

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>Any living you can think of- beyond what you have already mentioned?</p> <p>So "serious" would be anyone who has contributed to the betterment of (for lack of a better word) or advancement of film. - caused it to progress- as it were.</p><p> What do you think about QT?</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    You haters make me laugh...

    by Boober

    Some of you see some early version of a script and a few reviews which obviously are justified in negativity or immediately sent to the local botanist for testing. Add to it that you all saw some secret version of a script because, of course, you are all insiders AND Literature/English/Media triple majors with a Masters in Advanced Cinematic and Directorial Studies with friends in high places. The more impressive the footage, the louder you scream and the closer you huddle in your circle J. WITHOUT HAVING SEEN A MOVIE THAT IS BEING OVERSEEN BY STEVEN F-ING SPIELBERG. A simple story with lots of action can make for a great movie. Assumptions, ok. But uninformed bias makes me laugh. I'll give my verdict AFTER I've seen it. Like with Spiderman 3. Which was the worst of the 3 films.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Can't Wait! Opens here on 6/28/07

    by KiwiMetal

    Gees, what have we humble Kiwis done to have this open 1 week before the US of A?

  • June 17, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    You go Kiwi. GO FORTH AND VIEW WITH

    by Boober

    EYES OPEN AND PERCEPTION UNALTERED!!! LoL...I could be GurzEonesque and just DRONE ON AND ON without having seen the movie.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill theme

    by berserkrl

    "I didn't even mind him using the getting-old-very-quickly theme that accompanied Lucy Liu's posse walk in Kill Bill as Bumble Bee changes his exterior" ----- Well, given that that theme is an adaptation of "Flight of the BUMBLEBEE" it is sort of appropriate.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Boober...

    by Screentime

    The early version of the script has been confirmed to be pretty much exactly the same as the final cut by fans that have now see the film and read the script.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    HISTORY.

    by BigBlackDude

    I'm sitting here reading these talkbacks and I just realized that this is history right here. We're debating this movie to the point where it's already a classic. Enjoy my friends, these will be lengendary talkbacks.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Belittling of G1 cartoon

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>First off, was it a toyline that was then turned into a cartoon and serve as a vehicle for selling toys? Undisputedly, yes.</p> <p>Was it a good show? Undisputedly , yes. Except for season 3 which had a few standout shows, but the whole Rodimus era was the beginning of the end.</p> <p> I keep hearing this cast off of the 80's cartoon and I don't know if some of you are old enough to understand the cartoon in the perspective of cartoons at the time.</p> <p> Cartoons back then were not that good and there were not many options. Particularly after school. Then this concept came along of robots turning into vehicles. It was pretty ingenious because the toys looked good and the characters on the show looked better. The toys were little puzzles. (Remember the Rubik's cube had been all the craze nary a couple of years before.) They had great voice effects too. They lived on a robotic planet. Not to mention it was the first cartoon to use some of the Star Wars sound library. Everything else back used the Buck Rogers and BSG sound library.</p> <p> What we had seen was Superfriends or Thundar the Barbarian type stuff.</p> <p>Anyways, this show came along and changed the rules.</p> <p> The good guys lost sometimes, they got their asses handed to them. They were outgunned and outmanned but still fought on. The characters looked great with greco/roman/egyptian masks.-faceplates and a single light for a face. They had weapons out the yin yang and could blow each other up. Arm cannons- Autobots using the Decepticons weapons against them- you see, violence was not accepted much on daytime TV back then- watch GI Joe and see the ejections from planes everytime they are hit. It had onscreen violence, the voices were cool and modulated- some had more than one form (triple changers) others were teams and merged to make a bigger bot. They were salvaging/plundering Earth for its natural resources to power their own planet. That was the storyline.</p> <p>The animation was good. (comparatively for the time) This was all new to us back then. This concept of damage to a robot was accepted that could not be done to a human. That was revolutionary</p> <p>It had characters out the wazoo and the villians didn't get along so there were power struggles in the ranks of both sides</p> <p>Then when the movie came out in 86 we learned that the Autobots lost and got stuck on Earth and relegated to a moonbase of Cybertron. I mean to start out that the good guys got beat and continue to take a beating until the bitter end.</p><p>That was unique-that was ballsy storytelling.</p> <p> So take your macguffin hunting boy and his first car wet dream grandfather glasses searching big gun military promo bang bang guns go boom boom rollerskating eyeball having busy designed vitals exposed no covering robots in the desert 85% humans 15% bots Transformers In Name Only schlock fest and choke on your popcorn Michael Bay film.</p> <p>Cartoon sucked- your ass hurts</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Fail

    by And Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu

    "I liked how even some of the Autobots wonder why they can't just do away with the pesky humans but Optimus insists that have as much a right to live as they do." I'm reminded of Steve Carrell's character in Anchorman during the news team battle royale. "Brick, get back over here."

  • June 17, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    M-O-M - thanks mate!

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>I still have a Beast Wars rant yet to give.</p> 9^)

  • June 17, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    The scripts they were claiming were bad, were not

    by superninja

    actually bad scripts. They punched up the dialogue, that is not equal to the plot, story and overall characterization. Star Wars and The Matrix were not bad scripts. They make TF look like Shakespeare, in fact. <p> Also, Pawprint, who cares what you think about me personally, you still can't argue your way out of a paper bag and are dishonest.

  • June 17, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    To Those HATERS on here...

    by The Dread Pirate MgWach

    ... if you can't go to a movie and enjoy it for what it is, then you don't belong in a theater. Or for that matter, out in public.

  • June 17, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Tegujai, that's cute and all but do you have an

    by superninja

    actual point?

  • June 17, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    "pwned" definition

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    The verb to pwn (past tense: pwned, pwnd, pwn'd, pwnt, pooned) as used by the Internet gaming subculture, means to beat or dominate an opponent. While it probably originated as a typing error of the word own, it is now used intentionally by many members of the subculture. The term has become so ubiquitous in Internet circles that it is often used outside of gaming contexts; for example, "He just got pwned in that debate" or "The hunters pwned that bear."

  • June 17, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    The people excited for this film are so defensive.

    by superninja

    Wonder why. What do you care if we like it or not based on a certain set of reasons? People these days act like if you don't agree with them you are trying to somehow oppress them. Thanks Political Correctness!

  • June 17, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Megan Fox for

    by Phategod1

    Random teen to be killed by Jason while having sex.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    LOL I just cut and pasted the def...

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>I didn't write it.</p><p> It is a rather silly reference though. "The hunters pwned that bear."</p><p> How much do you think they got for it? $50?</p><p> ah yes, a witty pun</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    yes indeed it is...

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    Phrase origination: 'That's Gay'. 'Teh Ghey', is an Internet slang-based phrase, used to express dislike for something, someplace, or something. 'Teh Ghey' has nothing to do with homosexuals/gay people, although some people seem to think so.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Hunter, I agree with you about the cartoon.

    by superninja

    If people go back and watch it some of the episodes have great stories and the things going on with the characters are pretty neat. The funny thing is, no one has ever said the movie has to be just like the cartoon, I just think it's sad when the live action movie is taking a step backwards from the cartoon. The cartoon laid a great foundation for a property that has wonderful potential to be the next Star Wars or Harry Potter, not some forgettable summer action fluff.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    M-O-M good link for future ref

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>http://www.urbandictionary.com/</p> <p>Looks like the term "decidership" could be applicable:</p> <p>Teh Transposeurs A Micheal Bay Decidership Phlegm</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    FANTASTIC 4/SILVER SURFER opens with $57.4 million

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Holy crap! Meanwhile, HOSTEL 2 scratched-out only chicken feed (less than $3 million) during its second week. Look for Eli Roth at a town near you (flipping burgers).

  • June 17, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    A lot of those cartoon and comic book writers

    by superninja

    working up through the 80s had a really good handle on archetypes and mythology. It's missing in most of today's cartoons and comic books.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    SN - I agree

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>They had a good grip when they wrote for Beast Wars too. They tied the lines together, and did not reveal it until the end.<p/><p>I think Bay's crew studied and took more inspiration from Beast Wars details (not storywise) more than the G1 mythology.</p> <p> Comics today do seem a bit lackluster.</p><p>Even DK Returns a few years ago by Miller wasn't that good.</p> <p>Perhaps it was MacFarlane himself who introduced the whole style over substance era into the comics back in the early 90's which lead to the publishers greed and overprinting that almost killed the industry.</p><p>Beast Wars was good though. Worth a rent- it really gets going towards the end of season 1 and all of Season 2 . Season 3 has some high points but not as good as the others.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Geek patrol

    by thegreatwhatzit

    When the initial FANTASTIC FOUR opened, action figures of Sue Storm were produced in limited edition. As a result of the shortage, variable figures of Storm sold for $50-$70 from private dealers. Storm figures were subsequently manufactured but long after the debut of the film (their value is zip compared to the original limited editions). Did the toy manufacturers learn their lesson? Nop. Absolutely NO figures of Sue Storm were developed as tie-ins to the SILVER SURFER sequel. TRANSFORMERS toys will be brisk sellers but--gauging the heavy volume--they'll never qualify as collector's items. Wonder of they'll premiere a Megan Fox figure? (female characters are always underestimated). This has been a moment of reflection from the Greek Patrol. And now back to our regular programming...

  • June 17, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    "decidership"

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>I am not playing politics- this is just the definition from Urban Dictionary.</p> <p>A form of government with one person exercising absolute power and unrestricted control in a government who regularly disregards opinions, petitions or mandates of the people or elected representatives.</p> <p>The misguided War On Terrorism has turned the United States of America from a Democracy to a Decidership.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    M-O-M: link again- try this

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    http://tinyurl.com/k4gk

  • June 17, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    I never really got into Beast Wars because

    by superninja

    I wasn't a fan of the animation style, and the few episodes I did watch I knew you'd have to watch more to really care about the characters. <p> I really stopped liking comics in the 90s but kept reading them because I loved the characters so much (Marvel) and then discovered DC and dropped Marvel almost entirely. Then DC went the way of Marvel, unfortunately, and I stopped reading alltogether. <p> I still feel Moore and Miller really brought about most of this when they started deconstructing heroes and that became more popular than supporting the traditional archetypes. Deconstruction is just a lesser version of the original idea and always will be. It's good for a story to look at heroes in a Post Modern way but not as an overarching idea, and yet that is what it became.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    If you're going to talk smack, Tegujai at least

    by superninja

    make a point.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Memories of Murder

    by superninja

    It's a little too "nanny nanny boo boo" for my tastes. Surely there should be some kind of reasonable defense for this movie? I would even take I want to see it because of the action sequences, I don't care if the story sucks or I would see anything with Meghan Fox in it. At least that's honest.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Beast Machines Sucked

    by Screentime

    Beast Machines Sucked because they made Cybertron a planet that was not entirely made of metals. They turned it into a freaking grassy paradise. SO LAME. Guess what. This movie also makes Cybertron just like any other planet. There is no cooler design EVER than the one of Cybertron in the cartoon. But Bay undoubtedly ditched it.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I heard they put a reference into the movie but

    by superninja

    I'm not sure how accurate is. At one point in the script it was destroyed and the TF were looking for the Cosmic Cube as the last survivors of their race. Which is great for sequel potential you know. Hahah.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    BW animation style

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    it took a little while to get used to because the animals just looked kinda weird and talking animals was different too. After a couple of eps you get past it. the payoff in the end is worth it. The writing was solid though, and you are correct- they did have a story arc that built on each episode. When it got really cool was when they were turned into Transmetals at the beginning of Season 2. Then they looked like bots all the time in beast mode too. A good site to visit to read through the eps and get the story is:</p> <p>http://www.bwtf.com</p><p>You classified the "deconstruction" era extremely well. I mean nailed it. I could not have put that into words as well as you did- and you are exactly right. This is what happens when the avant garde is assimilated and becomes the new norm.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    The thing is I understand that making the robots

    by superninja

    the main characters would be an incredible financial undertaking to render them. But what I see a lot in movies these days is spend money to show, show, show when you could simply suggest a lot, and what you have is a lot of obvious CGI that doesn't connect with the audience.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    No defense for Beast Macines

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>That show was a bit out there for my tastes. Interesting designs, and I never would have imagined they could have translated into toys as well as they did, but they did a damn good job on the property. Great theme music "Phat Planet". Story not so good.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    No defense for Beast Machines

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>That show was a bit out there for my tastes. Interesting designs, and I never would have imagined they could have translated into toys as well as they did, but they did a damn good job on the property. Great theme music "Phat Planet". Story not so good.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Hunter, if season 2 is better do you really need

    by superninja

    to see season 1? If so maybe I will check it out on Netflix.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    FYI: superninja is a Ms. - not a Mr.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I picked up the Flash Gordon series done by

    by superninja

    Filmation recently and its extremely faithful to the strip comics. I actually liked Filmation's style, kind of Bashki-esque. You can see how He-Man came out of it. But the character designs were pretty cool and Ming's daughter looks like an early version of Teela although with less clothing. Some of the voice work ain't so hot though, Oppenheimer does Ming and he sounds just like Skeletor.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    big financial undertaking all right...

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    especially when they have useless pistons and 300 gizmos moving for no apparent reason other than to be there. It's like Geoff Darrow and HR Giger designed them. (no offense to Darrow or Giger because I love their work- just not on Transformers) They could have looked really good in the simple forms. Probably should have been all animated like Final Fantasy.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    It's true there is no logic to be found in ad hominem.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 17, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    SN-BW season 1

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    Yeah you can skip to season 2, it has a brief recap. I won't spoil it, but youy do need to know that the Predacons (decendants of the Decepticons) have a traitor who switched sides to the Maximals (Autobot decendants)and his name is Dinobot. There are also some encounters with an alien race in season one and the protoform concept is explained. You should read about season 1 at least before jumping directly to season 2. Starscream (or his ghost spark more correctly) makes an appearance in season 1.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I like He-Man, but there is a collection of the

    by superninja

    fan favorite eps that is all you need. Star Child? Eeek. Flash Gordon is more mature than He-Man, not by a lot, just no cute sidekicks for the most part. You can rent it on Netflix to see if you like it. <p> It has a complete story arc which is nice, but Flash Gordon itself is pretty repetitive. Flash goes to kingdom X, usually ruled by a hot queen or princess, who proceeds to flirt with him and make Dale jealous. Then he helps them out and they either hook up with their general (who have really loved them all this time) or pine for Flash and agree to help him overthrow Ming. Rinse and repeat. The animation for the ships are pretty cool, though. And in true Filmation style they use a lot of repeating cells.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    I'm starting to think all animated would have been

    by superninja

    a better route. How about Sky Captain style? Or was that film also enormously expensive? <p> I would like to see Japanese anime Big O done like Sky Captain, that is a great story (at least Season 1 anyway).

  • June 17, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Hey there are a few chicks around on AICN.

    by superninja

    They just don't have TF OCD like me.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    The lost art of a plot

    by alienindisguise

    the "plots" in recent films especially the big ones of the year so far really shows how dumb the culture has gotten. B-movies..nah, that's giving them to much credit. F-movies are all they are. I'm hoping Cameron can kick all this bullshit in the ass with Avatar.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Yack, I've watched some TAS animated but

    by superninja

    didn't buy it. Pretty fun stuff. Flash seems less egregious that MATU and TAS in terms of cell repeats but it's still there. It has a guy with a head like a lion so that makes it aces in my book!

  • June 17, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    You are right. Pretty pictures, terrible plot.

    by superninja

    I really soured on the POTC franchise after 3.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Sheesh, I meant MOTU and ST: TAS.

    by superninja

    Anyway...

  • June 17, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    SN- BW Season 1 premise

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>Megatron (just has the same name- but not related) has a crew of Predacons have stolen two golden discs that were guarded artifacts on the Maximal controlled planet of Cybertron. He takes his crew and heads off to a long rumored planet that is rich with energon. There is a Maximal ship close enough to engage them but it is a scientific vessel and the crew are not trained warriors. Anyway they engage iver a planet and both go crashing into it. (sound familiar?) Anyways there is a power struggle amoung the Preds and Dinobot takes off.</p><p> Optimus Primal (not related to Prime- and has the inspiration for TINO's Prime with the lips/mouthguard battle mode) is the leader of the Maximals. Anyways they are stuck and have to figure out what Megatron is up to. Long story short- they decide to stay and fight. so, they have to find out- where they are (hint: when they are) and what Megatron's plan is.</p> <p>Much like the original Autobots the Maximal get beat fairly often as they should and over time they become more battle-hardened.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Tegujai Batir, I didn't want to have to tell you like

    by superninja

    this, but we are from the future, and you are actually OUR CHILD! I'm sorry, son. Our future selves should have listed to you!

  • June 17, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Memories of Murder, yeah that bothers me as well.

    by superninja

    If they're that sophisticated, why don't they disguise themselves as humans? I always liked the idea that it's like getting plastic surgery, it changes the outside (since they can already transform back home) allowing them for a disguise that provides the most readily available adaptability. Plus they won't have to interact with anyone because they are considered inanimate objects.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Hunter, thanks for the summary.

    by superninja

    My understanding is that they are on prehistoric Earth, and involved time travel or something, it never seemed too clear.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    I would also like to petition TPTB for a live-action

    by superninja

    adaptation of Mark Schultz's Xenozoic Tales starring Hugh Jackman as Jack Tenrec and Rachel Weisz as Hannah Dundee.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    M-O-M: they did liquid metal as "blank" forms in BW

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    The crew of the Maximas ship was the most part in stasis pods except for a skeleton crew. When they had to crash they jettisoned the pods in to the atmosphere if the planet before entry.</p> <p>When the pods crahed to earth the forms were just like the T1000 until a computer scanned the area for a lifeform to replicate. This also happened to the crew when they were shutdown after the crash as well.</p><p> When they sustained damage they had to fgo to the "CR" chamber (don't know what CR stands for) for repairs. The Beast mode forms they attained protected them from the energon radiation that was in a raw form and would fry their circuitry if overexposed.</p><p> Normally they (TF's) don't go about with their bits and pieces all exposed. Makes no damn sense- you are a robot sand and dirt and crap aren't good and you have to protect your vitals. Which is why they had box like designs that the TIMO Lemmings bitch about.</p> <p>Because form follows function, right.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    That's because he didn't, Yackbacker.

    by superninja

    At least, that's what I am going with. What was Lucas thinking? You have to make someone actually likeable and heroic if you want their fall from grace to have any impact.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Xenozoic Tales is awesome. The cartoon version

    by superninja

    which is Cadillacs and Dinosaurs is still pretty good, but Tales is much better and the art is just superb. It's basically an anti-technology piece, so maybe BSB could get Al Gore to fun the live-action movie?

  • June 17, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Yack, here is an example of the art.

    by superninja

    http://tinyurl.com/3brt75

  • June 17, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Did someone say Grammer Nazi

    by Phategod1

    Could we have a new Stooge in our midst? Grammer seems to be a big thing over there in Sycophantland.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    SN - yes it is prehistoric earth they are on

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    ...and they end up having to protect the ark.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    You what i was thinking watching that scene?

    by Phategod1

    I know what would happend, But I was thinking please put the poor bastard out of his misery. At that point Obi was being a little sadistic by letting him live.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    BSB, I totall agree with you. Good job, Emperor!

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 17, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    The interesting thing about Xenozoic tales is it's

    by superninja

    kind of a role reversal with the female being the tough, politically-minded character who embraces technology and the male lead being the one who wants to bring nature and technology into harmony without coming across as wimpy. It's post-apocalyptic, Yack, you will probably like it a lot.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Master Batir

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    Tell me about Harry and Ghost World. You totally called that about two weeks before the announcement.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Damn foiled by bad Grammar again

    by Phategod1

    Damn that Philadelphia public school system. I have a new theory About Mighty Murphy's Stooges ther all studying to be english teachers. I havn't figured the tie in with Ole Donny Million,chins but I'm working it out.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Aw come on Batir

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    I know you know. It was fascinating. Tell me more inside scoop.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Cause in real life they look like Janet Reno

    by Phategod1

    And you do not want to see that in a halter top :) j/k

  • June 17, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Actually, Hannah Dundee is kind of a

    by superninja

    you-know-what, but that's what makes her interesting. Jack is also kind of a jerk, so it's kind of honest about both characters faults, and forces them to make ideaologically compromises or change some of their preconceptions, but that is what makes them well-rounded characters.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Will Ferrell's Janet Reno's Dance Party = Funny!

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 17, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    This is Paw Print Big Brother

    by Phategod1

    Come to avenge his "*Pwnership" yesterday. <par> * I don't know if Pwnership is a word I usually abhor Internet 21st century geek speak but seeing as how we are in the graces of a Master of both Internet speak and the English language I figured it was an appropriate attempt.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    It was an underground comic. Dark Horse has

    by superninja

    collected them, though, so they are not hard to find.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Fiester

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    amen.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Phate, I kind of wondered that myself.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 17, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Dear Tegujai Batir,

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    Would you be so kind as to indulge me with your enlightening tale of the demise of Harry Knowles former project "Ghost Town"? Kind Regards, 1178HB

  • June 17, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Pwned

    by superninja

    All the world's pwnage, And all the men and women merely pwned. They have their exits and their entrances, And one man in his time pwns many pwned, His acts being seven pwnages.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Yack, it is a sign of our sophisticated and superior

    by superninja

    culture.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I literally am in the land of trolls

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    <p>It's 11:20 pm here and the midnight sun and is finally starting to get dark.</p> <p>Good night all. until next time.</p>

  • June 17, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    TF is now my most anticipated summer flick

    by barnaby jones

    closely followed by the next dose of Die Hard damage.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Completely off topic, but as far as "pwn"...

    by The Dum Guy

    I actually have met people who say it phonetically "p-own-d", and I can't help but wonder if it's me being oblivious to what's supposedly hip, or maybe misanthropy isn't a bad thing.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    "Or do you want to see another Ang Lee/Hulk debacle?"

    by Immortal_Fish

    If Lee's HULK was crappy and disrespectable to the source material while TF is faithful and awesome, then please, please, please -- give me the disrespectful crap!!

  • June 17, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    "I didn't actually see Megatron's arm cannon"

    by Immortal_Fish

    "I'll be amazed if it doesn't win best special f/x at the next Oscars."<P>Translation: I'll be amazed if the effect I didn't see doesn't win an Oscar for effects. Pardon, but what exactly was the criteria for such judgment?

  • June 17, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    I'm a fan of the Potter movies...

    by barnaby jones

    but no i wouldn't say i was that excited about it. The buzz been extremely low considering how big the franchise is.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    "its hard to distinguish whos who and what's happening"

    by Immortal_Fish

    "The final battle sequence in the city streets is cool but some of the action here (and in other scenes) is so fast that it's hard to distinguish who is who, who is good, who is bad and what's happening. I think that's why I missed Megatron's arm cannon."<P>Again...<P>"its hard to distinguish[...]what's happening"<P>And, yet, the effects look great? How can you tell if you admittedly cannot see what is going on?

  • June 17, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    don't worry at first I thought chess

    by Phategod1

    had become cool again I thought people had started misspelling pawn.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    "based on a line of toys and a silly animated cartoon"

    by Immortal_Fish

    What about the engrossing, rich tapestry of the comic series?

  • June 17, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    "John Turturro, in his worst role I have seen"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Yes, because his role in Anger Management was some truly deep shit for your ass. A completely tortured soul. It must have been a stretch for him to find his "ouch place" to perfect the portrayal of such a complex character!

  • June 17, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    I've seen Talkbackers "PWN" themselves.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Guys like:<P>Jar Jar 4 Prez<br>Vog From Dimension X<br>by by<br>Oscar Wilde 4 Prez<br>and at least four other names that got B@NN3D.<P>Funny thing is, they were all the same person.<P>Right, Tegujai Batir?

  • June 17, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = " I NEED A VACATION"

    by Phategod1

    100 points to the 1dt one who can tell me where that inappropriate line came from in a classic movie.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    M.O.M.

    by The Dread Pirate MgWach

    You really should learn to spell. It would help on places like the INTERNETS. Anyways, my point was that movies are meant to be ENTERTAINMENT not ZOMG THIS MUST BE PERFECT OR THE WORLD IS OVER!!!! If you can't be entertained by a movie then what's the point in going?

  • June 17, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    1st

    by Phategod1

    Grammar attack #357.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Phateghod1

    by Bouncy X

    well arnie used it in T2...only movie i can think..am i right? if so, what do i win? lol

  • June 17, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Sorry Phategod1

    by The Dread Pirate MgWach

    I hadn't been counting Grammar attacks. :)

  • June 17, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    If movie can't be smart and action packed

    by Phategod1

    What's the point of making it?

  • June 17, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Thanks, M-O-M

    by Immortal_Fish

    I could have looked beyond the bionicle structure, the flames, the Bay, the auto-based Decepticon, "SoundByte (or whatever), and the TnA had there been more respect to the source material along with a decent story. But the absence of these with the presence of Turturro, Anderson, Joe Don Baker, Mac, and Leia LeBoussh made it all too much for little Megan Fox to counter.<P>The anti-haters need to understand that most of us pessimists wouldn't be if it weren't for such grandiose diversions. And they need to become more adept at spotting true haters.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Phategod1

    by The Dum Guy

    To make money.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I agree YackBacker

    by The Dread Pirate MgWach

    Oh trust me, I know what you mean about cheesy movies. But having been a transformers fan for quite awhlie now and having followed the movie info from its conception, I guess I feel that we should be pleased that a movie is being made at all. I for one have looked forward to it regardless of how it comes out just for curiosity sake. Next I'm hoping for a Robotech/Macross movie.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    It is a ram jammed summer,

    by barnaby jones

    i think you're right about that. Still i expected a bit more, especially with the last book coming this way very soon too. Transformers is the most original offering (i know thats not saying much) this season, hence the hype it's getting.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    M.O.M :)

    by The Dread Pirate MgWach

    I'm not trying to tell you anything or bash any of your personal feelings about movies in general. I'm just trying to be as optimistic as I can regardless of how many holes the plot will have as I'm sure there will be a few. I'm not saying by any means that this will be an awesome movie that will be classic cinema. I'm simply stating that it should be seen as what it is... an action-packed summer blockbuster that many fans and non-fans will enjoy, at least for awhile.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Just got home and muddled my way through this TB. So glad to see another Cadillacs & Dinosaurs fan in the midst. Did you ever have any interest in Schultz's Aliens mini-series? <P> http://tinyurl.com/34dakx <P> A good read. <P> Oh, and my wife would like to add that you are "a witty bitch." Take that as a compliment. She likes you. And Thundercats.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Did the stooge just switch accounts

    by Phategod1

    man there getting tricky. here a profile of a stooge. Stooges are a funny sort when ever you try to make a point they either switch topic or correct your spelling Now AINTITSHOT was the preverbial alpha stooge and serves as our Stooge template. Now if our stooge here follows classic stooge behavior next he insult people who actually support this movie.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    RE: YackBacker

    by The Dread Pirate MgWach

    Honestly, the only thing I can think of that would be an improvement, at lease for me personally, would be the robots having more speaking roles and there to be a larger assortment of Autobots and Decepticons. However for a first movie, I can understand why they chose only a few for each side. I just hope that in the sequels they will branch out.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Immortal_Fish

    I hear you. Exhibit A: Van Helsing.<P>I part ways with you on FF1, though, as I enjoyed it (haven't seen the sequel). Sure, they truly eviscerated Doom's origin, but everything else was spot-on. Sure, effects and cast could have been better, but the characterization was perfect IMO. As for the story, it was sheer origin exposition and nothing else, which to me is always a formula for the crappy. But at least the Four were faithfully represented.<P>And about Doom -- since I recognize your handle and you may be familiar with the source material -- what other rendition of the character was any good at all? All we really have to point at are the various animated series. I haven't seen them all, but I recently watched episodes of the animated series of both Hulk and Spider-Man from the 90s featuring the Doom character and must say that there is nothing McMahon is doing wrong considering the voice he's been given in these other adaptations. Methinks many fanboys cannot come to grips with how he reads vs. how it sounds once spoken.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Please tell me about I AM LEGEND

    by Phategod1

    I dont know much and before i go to wiki I wanted a Talkback answer the Trailer looked kind of Hamfisted and not interesting in the least.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Very true Yackbacker

    by barnaby jones

    Potter's built in fan base knows whats coming however, the films having been slightly erractic at the box office. Having said that the current trailer showing in theatres is a doozy.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Mr. Murder

    by The Dread Pirate MgWach

    I see your point and understand. However I guess I hold too much hope and excitement for the movie that at this point, I can't hold that point of view. I've supported the making of it this far and can't simply ignore it's existence. Agreed it's not the Transformers of the 80's or anything afterwards for that matter, but it is another story in the Transformers universe with different incarnations. Again, mere curiosity and inkling to see an action-packed movie of something I know a bit about will draw me to the theater. Oh, and you're all welcome to just call me MgWach. :)

  • June 17, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I always saw Dr. Doom as a Machiavelli type...

    by The Dum Guy

    I always saw Dr. Doom as a Machiavelli type. In a way he could be a good leader, but his belief in the ends justifying the means makes him a "bad" guy.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    What i meant to say was...

    by barnaby jones

    i don't think the necessarily have the box office in the bag without selling it as a stand alone film to mr Joe Average.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    RE "we should be happy they are making it" debate point

    by Immortal_Fish

    Really? Why? This is not the Transformers they are making. Sure, there are robots that transform in this movie. And yet, there have been other movies with robots that transform. We do not call those movies 'Transformers' movies, however.<P>A recognizable voice-actor and familiar color scheme of two set pieces a faithful Transformers adaption does not make.<P>I suspect that there should be more characterization of the Transformers in this Transformers movie, given that's what it will be known as.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    HA HA HA HA HA!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh, how you do make me laugh. Good one, Tegujai Batir. I gotta hand it to you, you do have a way with denial.<P>Here is a bit of advice (whatever your name is today), if you keep getting banned while supposedly "pwning" people...then you're not "pwning" anybody. Or anything. You can't just claim it. You've got to show your work and live to talk about it. I know that concept is really hard for you to accept (it always has been). But the truth is something that you've never displayed the capacity to understand.<P>Oh, and thanks for confirming my assumption in my previous post. Gotcha. You pile your bullshit up so high, I can see it from miles away.<P>Now you've reduced yourself to making fun of people's spelling?! And you're calling that "pwnage"??? My goodness...have you really fallen that far off your game?!<P>WOW.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by The Dread Pirate MgWach

    I agree that my statement of "we should be happy they are making it" really doesn't hold water. But for me, simply seeing things brough back from my childhood or at least their ideas is very pleasing. If that makes any sense. And thank you M.O.M. for the compliment.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by The Dread Pirate MgWach

    I agree that my statement of "we should be happy they are making it" really doesn't hold water. But for me, simply seeing things brought back from my childhood or at least their ideas is very pleasing. If that makes any sense. And thank you M.O.M. for the compliment.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker, you missed a bit though

    by Immortal_Fish

    Again, where else was Doom properly translated? The cartoons are what I'm pointing at, but feel free to bring up others or other cartoons than the ones mentioned.<P>I'm aware of the Doom being Vader's boilerplate deal. And I already admitted to Doom's origin having been screwed in FF1. And yet, the template was there for movie Doom to be comic Doom in the sequel, which I haven't seen yet. Willing to eat crow if not.<P>And that brings me back to the question again... Where has Doom been properly represented other than comics? I recoil to the Hulk 96 animated series where he's captured Jen and telling Hulk how he's going to blow her up with a bomb linked to his wrist. "Push push, bang bang." Or, worse yet, "Me, a terrorist? This is simply a neighborly decision to pool resources!" Or some such. All of it spoken like the narrator of Python's Holy Grail.<P>If McMahon's delivery truly is awful, then what other adaptation was better? I'm not targeting only you here. If others can suggest otherwise, please speak up. Just don't mention the FF cartoon of the 60s. Galactus is better off being a cloud than being represented like that.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Dread Pirate MgWach

    by Immortal_Fish

    Did you enjoy the Masters of the Universe movie from once upon a time? I admit that at the time, I did. But it got me wondering. Made me think about the Hulk TV series among others. Made me realize that the adaptations I was seeing were not faithfully adapted.<P>Oh, sure, some things must change due to difference in medium. I get that. I get organic webshooters.<P>And yet, sometimes things need not be rethought, but simply retweaked. Take the webshooters. Okay, so he's not such a genius that he could invent a cash cow for 3M. However, he could rework the guts of a Bic lighter to make a gadget that directs and controls the flow of useless spooge emanating from his wrists into a stream of webbing utility. See what I mean?<P>But back to Masters, what did you think? Then and now.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I'm Sorry "M.O.M.", but those reviews...

    by Boober

    suggest a much more positive trend than some of the "hallowed cannon" here in these AICN halls. But go ahead and call it SH!T before you see it because it is not the exact director you wanted, it isn't boxobots, and you read 3 reviews. That's your perogative. I'll just have to face the music that I will never be as cool as the "Hater Posse" and their Slingblade Drivel because I refuse to condemn a movie before I see it.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    TB -- Story's Doom is a weak Doom, yes

    by Immortal_Fish

    I admit that. Ask me a third time and I'll tell you the same!<P>No, I'm not saying that we should accept the least offensive adaptation of Doom. What I'm wondering is if this is just one of those characters that simply doesn't translate well.<P>Let's admit, template aside, Vader on film was nowhere near as talky as Doom is in the books. And if you make Doom as talky in a movie as he is in the books, well, then, you know...?<P>Vader isn't Doom. Doom isn't Vader. One beget the other, but they are each their own.<P>Open up any comic with Doom and recite his speech bubbles in front of the bathroom mirror. Then try to laugh at yourself before the rest of your onlooking family does. Honestly, it's not Shakespeare. And the stuff from the 60s was worse than the stuff from the 90s.<P>Bottom line -- What was the first thing Doom did when he trashed the Beyonder? He fixed his face! And yet, still we wonder why movie Doom is played as a metrosexual?!

  • June 17, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    Alas, the best Doc Doom beyond the comics...

    by Boober

    was in the cartoon "Spiderman and his amazing friends" where he went after an amulet of power that was broken into individual parts...sad.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    TB = YB, sorry

    by Immortal_Fish

    Have your lawyer contact mine come the morning!

  • June 17, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Instruction, I never said it would be a good movie...

    by Boober

    I said I would see it first before rendering a verdict, thus forgoeing any ego-driven, compensatory prognostications that might in the off chance give me an artfull way of saying "HA!! TOLD YOU SO. IN YOUR FACE! I WAS RIGHT! NEENER, NEENER, NEENER." From what I have seen, the special effects look borderline revolutionary, and I am a fan of SFX. I withhold comment on how it stands up as a movie.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Uh oh. Joke is on you, Tegujai Batir.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Did you just read YackBacker's post? Yeah, way step right in it with complete ignorance. Self-pwn much?<P>Well, is that all you got? Wannabe-clever wordplay, baseless assumptions, and false claims of "PWNAGE" in the "NOW"? (WTF?)<P>Please tell me you've actually got something interesting to say because my face hurts from laughing at your sorry ass.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Boober

    by Immortal_Fish

    Like Hillary said, now that's what I'm talkin'bout. Will have to look up that early 80s gem to refresh my memory as I don't have it on hand.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    legitimate question...

    by Boober

    last time the general consensus on a leaked script was positive here at AICN?

  • June 17, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Doom is actually...

    by Boober

    Palpatine + Anakin + Kaizer Soze is you want to get an accurate translation. Subtle, megalomaniacal, ruthless, powerful, a schemer/mastermind, with mucho hubris.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    YackBacker - exactly

    by pjdon

    it is possible to change even more than they have and still have a brilliant film.<p>As I always say Batman & Robin would have still been crap without the nipples and Batman Begins would have still been brilliant if they had added nipples.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    The problem that no one ever seems to discuss

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Is the fact that no movie adaption of a popular franchise meets approval from 100% of the fans of the original material. Given that blatantly obvious fact, what exactly do people really expect?<br><br>To be honest, I think the better part of the people crying bloody murder over this adaption wouldn't have been happy with anything other than the live version that's been playing in their head since they were six years old.....and no Yack, that wasn't aimed at you.<br><br>If anyone can point me in the direction of a movie title that's an adaption of a comic or a book that meets with full approval from the fan club I'd love to know it.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Yacks

    by Immortal_Fish

    I don't think that Doom can never be faithfully adapted, only that I think everyone else that has tried has made the same mistakes as Story. This was what I was digging toward all along. I'm sure it can be done, but the role must be UNDERPLAYED in order to resonate.<P>Who was in charge in ANH? Tarkin. "Vader, release him." Who was in charge in ESB? The whole kneeling bit obviated that. Nothing need be said about ROJ.<P>Ultimately, we're talking about a second-in-command that had little to say himself and who took his orders from above that was played by the wheelchair pusher from Clockwork Orange instead of a vain TV star.<P>I doubt anyone has properly adapted Doom yet. And IMO, those that point at Vader haven't really considered all the parts that make up his whole for the above mentioned reasons.<P>The problem I have with TF is that I suspect the filmmakers did not approach the Transformers themselves as characters, but instead as set pieces. There sure are lots of human actors involved. Much has been made of who is doing the voices of Prime and Megs as well as who is NOT doing the voice of Bumblebee. You do the math!

  • June 17, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Hey, Teg...

    by Boober

    I humbly request that you stop hammering so hard on your fellow TBers and stick to your passions/reasons about the movie. I'm on your side, but Yackbacker and Mrs. Superninja are TB veterans. Enough with the "Stinky McSTINK FACE!"...please?

  • June 17, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    TheAllSeeingEye

    by photoboy

    I don't know about 100% approval, but Batman Begins seems to be pretty much loved by all Batman fans, and it did that by being faithful to the source material and being well written and directed. All things that Bay has failed to do with TINO.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Instruction

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    You're assumption that the two reviews above are plants or fake is based SOLELY on the fact that they give an opinion contrary to the one you formed in your head about 5 months ago.<br><br>I've said this to Yack and I'll say it to you since you sound like you're about to have an aneurism or something. Scripts are a fucking shit thing to judge a movie off. There's a reason that the whole pre-production side of movie making involves things like pre-visualisation and animatics. Reading scripts is not like reading a novel. The comparison I made in a previous TB was Tarantino's script for Reservoir Dogs. Have you read it? The scene in the coffee shop in the beggining of the movie is fucking boring when read from the pages. It's pointless drivel with zero appeal. On screen however, it's a classic<br><Br>And for the record, they make more shit videogames than good ones. That's a fact. The good videogames are like air disasters; You only hear about them because they're so rare.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    And Tegujai Batir runs out of gas.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Boy, you really have fallen off your game, haven't you?<P>First of all, YackBacker doesn't need my help with the likes of you. Nobody does. It would look like we were ganging up on an infant.<P>Second: I don't "love" the Transformers movie. I haven't seen it yet. But I certainly don't pre-judge or "hate" upon it. I've only tried to engage these TBs in reasonable debate. Have you EVER tried that?!<P>"I'll remove your leash..."<P>Is that the same leash you use on your blow-up Boba Fett fuckdoll?

  • June 17, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Oh Photoboy..and Yack :P

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    There were one or two people on these very talkbacks that were adamant, in much the same way as some TF fans are here, that the movie would stink. Utterly stink. I think Mr.Nice.Gaius knows who I'm on about. Actually though I know several people who don't like Batman Begins at all. Me, I love it. But they don't. They want to see the Frank Miller stuff on screen; aint gonna happen but they can dream. The point is when people make adaptions of something that other people love they can never EVER do it right.<br><br>Yack, to be honest I always had faith in Daniel Craig to deliver the goods as Bond. Never doubted him for a second. But, like Batman, there are still people who hate the movie simply because they don't the feel the casting is right.<br><br>Look at all of the major blockbuster adaptions of comics or books for the last 10 years, not one, is exempt from some form of fan backlash/hatred. You had the queens who said the removal of all the Tom Bambadil stuff in LOTR would kill the movie. Organic Webshooters caused a huge stir amongst spidey purists.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    RE: "live to talk about it"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    BTW: that means that you don't get banned. How can you claim "pwnage" when you keep getting banned? A child could figure that one out, Tegujai Batir 4 Prez.<P>Well, this time, I hope you don't get banned. Why? Because you deserve to be mocked.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    In that case Yack

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Is Transformers something that could ever be translated to the big screen? Bear in mind, the comic and cartoon had YEARS to spin out its tales and its mythos. Even when they first started, it took them sever months/seasons to start getting history in place to give the franchise the air of legend that alot of people seem to believe it has.<br><br>Thinking about that, should you really sacrifice action in favour of story? The idea of putting Transformers or "GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS" on screen DEMANDS a visual approach.<br><br>It's interesting to hear the arguments of people claiming that there's not enough time spent around the Transformers in this movie and, in the same breath, criticising casting choices. If they had a better cast I can guarantee you now that there'd be even less on screen TF time than there already is...

  • June 17, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    YackBacker & TheAllSeeingEye

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yack - thanks for that little give-and-go earlier. The Farscape dig = priceless!<P>TheAllSeeingEye - yeah, I think I know who you're going on about. No worries though. These TFers threads are among the most passionate and perplexing that I've seen in a long time on this site. And good point about the cast vs. robot screentime. Had they gone with bigger names, there would probably be less bot-time onscreen. And from what I've heard, the work ILM has done on this film is so amazing, people can't believe that it was budgeted for only $135-150 million. Not to mention the fact that Bay supposedly wrapped it up under budget.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Tegujai Batir

    by The Dum Guy

    Do you say "p-own-d" when speaking to other people?

  • June 17, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Yacks

    by Immortal_Fish

    To reduce the comparison as you have is to invite comparisons to The Phantom of the Opera, Kano, Klytus, DiCrappio and the iron mask he was behind, etc. After all, they each had to emote while wearing a mask. Hey, I'm only running with the same populist analogy here, re: Vader vs. Doom! But I agree, we kinda spun way off topic.<P>So I'll leave it at this -- movie Doom at least reached toward being comic Doom and was no worse for it than any other non-comic adaptation. This appears to be the same approach with Prime in the TF movie, given everything suggested thus far. He's "kinda Prime."<P>Problem I have with FF vs. TF is that I think the Four were ripped from the pages while any Transformer other than Prime isn't even a character at all. They are treated as set pieces with little characterization, similar to the General Lee. Oh, it has a name and all, but it's still an 'it'.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Question for Tegujai Batir:

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Can I bitchslap you again?<P>I mean, since I get what I ask for...

  • June 17, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Speaking of self pwnage....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Hey Tegujai Batir, where's that $500 you owe me?

  • June 17, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Who am I?

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I'm the guy that you promised $500 to right before YackBacker made you look like a fucking fool. Or was it tool? Either one works.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Tegujai Batir

    by The Dum Guy

    "...and because it irritates you so" <br> <br> Are you my ex-girlfriend?

  • June 17, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    OMG

    by The Dum Guy

    How did Tegujai Batir know I'm a virgin? Is it the way I punctuate my sentences? Or perhaps my constant question on the female anatomy like "How many holes do girls have" or "I heard condoms enhance sex, is that true"...<br> At this point I think you are the one projecting, and I think I just "pwned" you.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Actually that would be...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...the difference between Farscape and BSG is that now that FarScape is off the air only fuckin' nobodys care.<p>

  • June 17, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Hang on a sec

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Farscape is the best TV show ever? You haven't seen Hawii-Five-O then. That's a real show.<br><Br>Book 'em Danno, Murder One<br><br>Ooh and what about 'Fantasy Island' with Ricardo Montalban and that little French Midget that wound up in a suitcase in James Bond. That's a fucking TV show.<br><Br>Or how about Murder; She Wrote. That was fucking cool too.<bR><br>Or Knight Rider? Street Hawk? Airwolf? Electro-Man? (10 points for whoever remembers that), Fraggle Rock, V..oh man..V was the fucking Bee's Knees.<br><Br>

  • June 17, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    No Yack

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    It was Go-Bots..by a fucking mile!

  • June 17, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Best T.V. show ever was B.J. and the Bear.

    by The Dum Guy

    enuff said.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I forgot about T.J Hooker

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    That was fucking superb too.<br><br>Oh and Magnum P.I was awesome too, anyone else remember a show where the main character drove a Ferarri and lived with a snooty English guy? See, 'twas original.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Oh Wait

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Miami Vice; Tubbs had a lamborghini if I remember right. But, is that better than a Ferarri?

  • June 17, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Tegujai Batir

    by The Dum Guy

    are you insinuating that I'm dumb? Because up until now no-one has ever brought that up, and that must make you like a genius or some shit.<br> <br> Oh, it's people like you who make these TB's so fun. Who really wants coherent and civil dialogues, I'll go with cheap name calling and idiotic remarks any day of the week.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST

    TheAllSeeingEye

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    "If anyone can point me in the direction of a movie title that's an adaption of a comic or a book that meets with full approval from the fan club I'd love to know it." <P> I'll bite. Quickly the immediate ones that come to my mind (personal opinion as a fan of the source material) <P> Oldboy <P>The Crow <P> Blade <P> The Prestige <P> Perfume <P> Dune/Dune Messiah/Children of Dune <P> 300 <P> Sin City <P> Batman Begins <P> These are films (adapted from comics/books) that I profess to be a big fan of and feel the films did the property justice or improved upon it. But that's just me. I would love to hear what others thought of these properties and their adaptations. Perhaps the hardcore fan base did not like them, but I dunno about that. Somone educate me if my view is askew.... <P> Flipped through the Prequel and Film Adaptation comics for TINO whilst at B&N today with the wife. Yikes. They really missed some great opportunities. But this movie will make tons of money and THAT is the measure of success.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Holy Shit

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    How could I forget CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN?!!!!

  • June 17, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Whoaaaaaaaa...hold up a second. DUNE?

    by FluffyUnbound

    Every other human being out there thought the various versions of Dune brought to film all sucked.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Tegujai Batir

    by The Dum Guy

    Not if it's digital.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Perhaps you shouldn't have bitten since you don't count as 100% of the fan base for the source material. You conducted a poll or something in the last 20 minutes?<br><br>I can tell you now that 300, Sin City and Dune are definately not without their detractors. Perfume is a fucking great adaption but there were one or 2 people on here that didnt like some aspects of the translation from print to screen. And as for Batman, we've already done that.