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It Must Be The End Of All That We Know... cuz Harry enjoyed the hell out of FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER!

I can’t believe I actually enjoyed myself tonight. It is, by no means, a perfect film, but this time… it’s really really close to being an old school FANTASTIC FOUR silver age story. Now it’s not a point for point adaptation… but tonally, this is a Fantastic Four movie. Tonally, the Silver Surfer is the Silver Surfer. The family dynamic is there, Sue ragging on Reed to get his head out of the books, Johnny teasing Ben, Ben ragging on Johnny – them both being there for each other, when they’re both in the doghouse or left out of the Smart guy stuff. Dr Doom is in Latveria for about a half minute. The FF are dealing with a world-ending scenario, and yes, they even let family dynamics get in the way of saving the world. It’s a globe-trotting story of epic proportions. And Galactus isn’t in the movie, he’s just off camera the whole time. But I’ll get back to that later. I had every reason to want to dislike the film, but deep down… I love the FANTASTIC FOUR. I’m a Marvel geek that prefers the FANTASTIC FOUR to the X-MEN. To me, the Fantastic Four were a front and center moderately dysfunction family of adventurers that lived in the middle of the greatest city on the planet… in an incredibly distinctive building and while the whole world watched, they performed miracles. They saved lives. They invented gadgets that helped propel the world into the future in which we should all be living. The were strong, flexible, discreet and flashy. The perfect celebrities, ones you could look up to, tear down, bitch about and praise. Even as I read every original issue in their original printing… I loved them. They weren’t being hunted or persecuted. When other heroes needed help, they’d come to Reed and the Baxter Building and lay out the problems. Sometimes their brilliance attracted the very menaces that they fought. But at all times – they had the same problems that people have that live and work together. But underneath it all, they loved one another. I saw FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER at the Alamo Drafthouse South tonight with a hardcore crowd of folks. How hardcore? There was a guy, in a Silver Surfer costume with a Silver… well it wasn’t a surf board, it looked more like a giant Nestle Crunch Bar wrapped in Aluminum. This guy was a serious fucking Silver Surfer fan. God Bless him. Seeing that guy put me in the right mindset. Before the film, they were showing special features from the recently released DVD of the first film. Watching it, then clips from the Fantastic Four animated series with Herbie the Robot… It put me in the mind that sometimes people change things. That cartoon show, when I was a kid was awesome, and I never thought of Herbie as replacing Johnny, but as standing in for Johnny when he was trapped with Crystal with the Inhumans. I was a crazy kid, well, still am. This time out – without the clumsy, shitty, horrible blending of the FF’s origin and Dr Doom’s origin… and in not having Dr Doom appear till much later in the story – and not having a lousy love triangle that was just dreadful… the film just got going. It starts with a planet’s destruction… those are the stakes. By the end of the credits, the Surfer is on Earth – beginning to set it up for Galactus. There’s no Watcher. Instead what we have are scenes of the Fantastic Four being… well the Fantastic Four. Entertaining crowds, Reed and Sue are trying to get married, but something is always complicating that process. (I know the feeling) - Johnny wants to throw Reed a bachelor party. It’s appropriately goofy, but dammit… it’s the exact sort of hammy thing that Stan Lee would have done. As in all Marvel films there has to be a dance number this summer… and yes it’s funky and stupid… but it made me laugh. It was Reed Richards trying to get loose – and it worked for me. The whole power switch thing with Johnny works. It’s funny and exactly the sort of silly fun that would happen to Johnny – Johnny doesn’t want anybody’s powers but his own – and this bugs him. The Silver Surfer… is absolutely fantastic. He makes me so happy to see. Is he going around wondering aloud about all the philosophical wonderings of this planet he’s visiting? No. But then, he didn’t really do that till Stan spun him off to his own series. Here, he’s the herald of Galactus, and he’s busy getting things done for his master, readying the planet for consumption. Which isn’t building a giant machine on top of the Baxter Building, it’s creating these enormous holes into the Earth, from which Galactus will draw the planet’s energy from. What’s so great about the Surfer? Doug Jones. That man moves like something, not of this Earth. There’s a grace and a calm to him – he doesn’t ride the board like a surfer, he rides it as though it was simply an extension of his self. There’s a reason why he interacts with Doom and the FF… there’s something of the powers cosmic about them. They stand out from the other mortals, there’s a spark of the infinite in them, now… that’s never said, but you see it in the curiosity with which he holds them. Now – when he’s covered in the silver look – He does in fact look unreal, but there’s a point where he’s separated from his board – and he takes on a tarnished look. Here is where Doug Jones shines so brightly. Spectral Motion’s make up on the Surfer is fantastic. Yes, they did do a lot of what you’ll see of the Surfer in this movie – no matter what Fox officially says – And the results are spectacular. When he’s strapped to that table and being questioned by Sue… I was just so incredibly happy. Just so happy. That said. What SUCKS? #1. Julian McMahon. He is… COMPLETELY and UTTERLY fucking HORRENDOUS. Hate, doesn’t cover my utter loathing of his performance of this fantastic villain. He sucks the life out of every last second of screen time. With a few “power cosmic moments” – but that’s not his performance, but the visual effects talking. Only good thing I can say about his character is this… he’s in it so little, that it didn’t ruin the film for me. He plays Dr. Doom like a swarmy Donald Trump version of Shredder. I hate him. #2. Kerry Washington’s Alicia Masters. It isn’t that she doesn’t look like Alicia Masters. It’s that she’s the worst blind actress I’ve ever seen. She’s so so so very very bad. She plays blind, by talking 17 degrees wrong from who she is speaking to. It’s so utterly annoying. Her lines are delivered terribly. She was ok in THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND, so I can’t say I want her banned from film, but I can say she needs someone to direct her a whole helluvalot better than Tim Story. #3. Brian Posehn as the Wedding Minister. He’s a huge geek of the Fantastic Four, but he is no minister – it was just bad casting. Now… Why am I not raging furious about the “giant cosmic tornado”? Well, because nobody ever refers to it as Galactus. When the Surfer is soaring up into it – when he stops… you can see something subtly mechanical… there’s something behind the power. He’s speaking to something…. Something we can not see. We never see the whole – of whatever is beginning to attach itself to Earth. I like to think, that had Tim Story panned on that enormous establishing space shot… you would have seen an enormous Jack Kirby machine being powered and/or operated by the version of Galactus that I like to imagine. Is that satisfying? Not particularly, but it doesn’t mean it couldn’t be what I want it to be. The fact is… I had a lot of fun. I would love to see someone, a helluvalot more talented than Tim Story direct the next FANTASTIC FOUR movie. I’d love to see writers that are better suited for the material. I’d love to see an even larger budget given – and better actors to the villain parts. But ya know what. This one worked for me. I’d buy this film. I look forward to taking my nephew to it, who sadly had to spend the night with his girlfriend, rather than see a Comic Book movie at midnight. Can’t fault the kid’s priorities. And Doug Jones? GOD BLESS YOU FOR EXISTING! Amongst all the cg, all the silliness – you lent the Silver Surfer the poise and the grace that only one who had soared the space ways of the infinite could have. And… if JMS does the job that I hope he will on the SILVER SURFER movie… and if they get a brilliant director. And they get Doug Jones back. That will be a movie, that I can’t even fathom the coolness of. That said, I really did have a good time with this film. For once, Mark Millar was right, thank God! Heh.

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  • June 15, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Gobsmacked

    by boyblue

    I really am

  • June 15, 2007, 3:13 a.m. CST

    sooo

    by Punch Man

    Galactus may be coming?

  • June 15, 2007, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Sod it im doing nothing this sunday so....

    by boyblue

    .....I think I'll take clone number 1 to see this.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:26 a.m. CST

    So Harry liked it. Is this film shit too?

    by BenBraddock

    *scratches chin*

  • June 15, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Silver Surfer has chosen anal sex... Here's Why...

    by My Ass Smells

    When was the last time Harry was right about any of his fucking reviews? The experience of watching a new film before anyone else is fun and exciting. That, my friend, fucks with your judgement. Fantastic Four was horrible. There is nothing in my mind that will make it's sequel any different.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Well...

    by VinnyMac666

    We can always hope right... That's what I've been saying for months about this flick. It's good to hear that it's (at least) fun to watch. I'm now looking forward to going now.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Sorry, folks!

    by ThinWhiteDuke

    I caught ROTSS on Tuesday and have to admit I had a blast. Was convinced it was gonna be lousy but was pleasantly surprised. Which almost never happens!

  • June 15, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Memflix or Roy Stalin?

    by Mullah Omar

    Who had the more truthful review?

  • June 15, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST

    PRAISE JOHN TURMAN...

    by Ass Lesson

    ...for everything you liked about this movie (he wrote the original SILVER SURFER scripts back in the 1990's that they raped for this film). Blame Tim Story, Mark Frost and Don Payne for all the retardo-fucking-nonsense that you don't like.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    THIS YEARS LITTLE MISS DREW REGRETS GOING NUTS

    by Paulseta

    And his rant is... Gone! Except where people are posting their cut and paste of it all over the internet. God bless the digital age.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Harry loses all credibility again

    by kwisatzhaderach

    next up...how he loves the PG-13 Die Hard and why there was no need for the others to be rated R.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:41 a.m. CST

    "The whole power switch thing with Johnny works."

    by Nodwick

    Uh, Harry? If you truly were a fan of the comics, can you say "Super Skrull?" Can you then say "idiot producer?"

  • June 15, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    OH YEAH...

    by BigBlackDude

    ... now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout big boy.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    It's shit talk like this that bothers me about Harry

    by GalactusZ

    "What’s so great about the Surfer? Doug Jones. That man moves like something, not of this Earth." Give me a fucken' brake, lol. Ohhh, Doug Jones moves like someone from the planet Pretentious, just like Harry, lol. Sorry bro, but Doug Jones ain't no James Brown, lol. Now get the fuck outta my face, lol.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    what kind of story would a surfer movie have?

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    I only ever watched the cartoon, but I remember it all revolving around galactus...

  • June 15, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Memflix's review

    by HEADGEEK

    Was an accurate portrayal of the events, I just disagree with his opinion. The other guy was full of shit.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    harry enjoying this movie is the better than any plot twist ive ever witnessed.in fact its the biggest plot twist of all time. im seriosuly in shock.

  • June 15, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    Trying to second guess this film has...

    by Boba Fat

    been a roller coaster ride. I always thought that because the first was such a stinker that tiny improvements were going to be better than nothing.

  • June 15, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    they probably dont ever refer to him as galactus

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    because no one ever meets him.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST

    anyone link me to a copy of moriartiy's rant?

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    I missed it.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST

    I'LL BE SEEING THIS...

    by BigBlackDude

    ... today after work with a half pint bottle of gin in hand and some of Atlanta's best sticky in my lungs. Sweet.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Paulseta...

    by drew mcweeny

    Drew regrets nothing. And my "rant" is exactly where it was. New stories have simply been added to the site, pushing it down. It's still under "Cool News" if you click on it.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:08 a.m. CST

    the thing i cant stand about McMahon

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    is his fuckin voice.if they make it more evil like it would be great. i actually like the way he looked in ff1 but the lines are delivered like "lets talk in my office" really suck ass.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:09 a.m. CST

    ROTSS = Revenge of the Sithy Sith?

    by tonagan

    We may have to rethink this abbreviation thing, it's starting to confuse lead paint eaters like me.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Mori

    by Boba Fat

    if you're still here? I thought your comments showed admirable bravery from a screenwriter living in Hollywood and, after all the talk of shilling around here, demonstrated the real backbone of this site. Thanks

  • June 15, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Oh no!

    by FILMFUNK

    Thanks Harry!<P>I was looking forward to this as I actually liked the first one. but you cursed it with your negative/positive good/rubbish reverse reviewing style! <P>Oh well never mind.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    someone in the rt forums says this about galactus

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    It's official Marvel canon that Galactus is a star. As in "A giant sphere of incandecent gas". He appears in different ways depending on the inhabitants of the planet he's trying to eat. So, (and keep in mind that I haven't seen the movie yet) it's entirely possible that Galactus is "a cloud" or whatever while the FF are tracking him through space, but will be the Galactus we all know and love once he makes his debut in FF3.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST

    so harry gets shit for all the hate on the first one...

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    then gets shit for liking the 2nd one. hmm thats intresting.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    GurzEon

    by HEADGEEK

    Moriarty liked the first FANTASTIC FOUR movie. At least I liked the better one.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST

    23% of the nations critics agree with Harry

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    REMEMBER THE MEMFLIX!!!!! FUCK HARRY, FOX AND THIS VERSION OF THE FANTASTIC FOUR!!!!!!!!!!! Man this really pissed me off.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed this film too..

    by polyh3dron

    And I wasn't too big on number 1 with it's total bastardisation of the characters' origins. This film kicked some major ass in my opinion.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:29 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to get FF2 on Blu-Ray.

    by polyh3dron

    It's also Blu-Ray exclusive.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:30 a.m. CST

    no what i said was

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    people hate that people here hate the first one. but now people are gonna start hating harry for liking the second one. weird.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Ummmm... What?

    by drew mcweeny

    I liked the first FANTASTIC FOUR? Really? Because I remember almost walking out of it. I was bored, and I thought Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis were okay, considering the script they had to work with. <P>I never even bothered reviewing the original, considering I saw it three weeks into release. I believe my final opinion was "fine if you're under eight years old."

  • June 15, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    plenty of people if you look hard enough

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    but the hating was justified even though i enjoyed it, i can see why fans didnt. still like human torch though.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:41 a.m. CST

    HARRY HAS CHOSEN FANTASTIC FOUR 2 AND HERES WHY

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    suprised i havent heard that yet.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Memflix

    by HEADGEEK

    no - I'll never hate on an undeserving film, just because corporate assholes are corporate assholes. Tom Rothman is a bitch, no doubt. He should be fired, absolutely. <BR><BR>That said, Memflix is a young viewer without much history with the FF. This is something close to a Silver Age version of the FF. TONS of it straight out of the books. The Surfer is awesome. <BR><BR>As for 26% agree. Well if I had a star rating, this would be 3 out of 5. 2 and a half out of four. But I liked it and had fun with it. There's tons of stuff I would have handled differently. I would have Reed's tone be deadly serious for much of the film - he needs more $10 dollar words thrown in. Sue should be more domestic. Alicia needs to be played by an actress with talent. Doc Doom should be cut from the film, but then it'd be about 72 minutes long, and a connective tissue from one point to another would totally not make sense. But even still, it'd be better. <BR><BR>The main improvements from the original are... the FF are much better. The SILVER SURFER is fucking awesome. And this film is just fun throughout. <BR><BR>The Consistent suckage is Dr Doom and Alicia.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:42 a.m. CST

    I choose to embrace this review!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Harry's shown so much pre-release prejudice to both FF films that I fully expected him to give this one a kicking, so this review is a bit of a surprise. A good surprise, though. I don't know how much stock I put in his opinions, but fair play to him for giving the film a chance.<p>I am seeing this film tonight and am a giant heap of stinking excitement right now. It's stupid, I know, but what's a guy going to do? Fantastic Four! Bloke who surfs in space and is silver! Alba! Ludicrosity!!!

  • June 15, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    oh wait...

    by HEADGEEK

    Moriarty liked X3. That was his atrocity. heh

  • June 15, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    frg10

    by HEADGEEK

    actually got an email from Bruce yesterday.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    kerry wahsington doesnt have talent?

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    good one harry. your hilarious!

  • June 15, 2007, 4:47 a.m. CST

    BTW...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I agree with Harry about one thing. I may hate the corporate regime at Fox, but that doesn't mean I automatically hate all Fox films sight unseen. <P>Remember... the reason it sucks that Tom Rothman hates movies so much is because 20th Century Fox means something in the history of American cinema. That logo at the start of the films... that means something. I don't want to dread the films coming out of that studio, and more than anything, that's what makes me angry about the way the studio is run these days. There are still good filmmakers who are able to get their films made there... it's just harder than it should be. Don't punish every single filmmaker because Rothman's an ass.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    REMEMBER MEMFLIX?

    by BigBlackDude

    Sorry but fuck Memflix. I come to this site 'cause I'm a Geek and I love movies. Some dude in TN losing his $7.00 an hour job doesn't get me excited, movies do.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    memflix was wrongly fired

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    absolutely, but im still gonna see this movie. and harry just because you disagreed with memfilx doesnt mean he doesnt know about the ff.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:50 a.m. CST

    It's a shame about Memflix

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    But can we ease up on the sentiment a little? He wasn't killed in battle. He is not covered in burns having saved a baby from a flaming building. He is not on a hunger strike to force the English out of his country. The guy did something he probably shouldn't have and got fucked over for his troubles. It's a shitty thing to happen, but I'm not going to 'honour' the guy.<p>Let's talk about Fantastic Four instead! Wasn't it great?

  • June 15, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    I think Harry just enjoys movies

    by Kragmose

    Instead of judging them months ahead of time, as most do these days. Its a rare treat to actually just like movies and not having extreme expectations.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:55 a.m. CST

    pretty soon people will be chanting memflix like...

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    everyone was chanting USA! USA! USA! after 9/11 lol

  • June 15, 2007, 4:59 a.m. CST

    KRAGMOSE (THANK YOU)

    by BigBlackDude

    Finally somebody wit some sense. Can't we just love movies period? Mutherfuckaz get so emotional over this shit.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Franklin I'm assuming you haven't heard?

    by Boba Fat

    but Memflix is covered in burns after Fox firebombed his house and has since gone on hunger strike as a protest. As soon as that's over he will aslo be heading into battle as the army is his only chance of employment now he's on the Fox blacklist. Just thought you should know.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    boba fat shut the fuck up

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    lmao

  • June 15, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Yes, Frank, it was great

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Here is my favourite moment from Fantastic Four:<p>Three of the Fantastic Four persuade Jessica Alba to strip naked and become invisible so they can make their way through a crowd of people. How this transparent nudity will help is never made clear. Alba shoves her way through the crowd in much the same way she would have if she were visible, and she arrives at the front to discover - the other three are already there! Nobody laughs like it was a practical joke or anything, they just get on with the next story beat. Brilliant! The cherry perked atop this scene is that it is obviously a blatant attempt to show Alba in her undies, and yet the brief shot of the required scantiness has been captured in such a way that you can't really see the goodies!<p>That is some genius film making right there, and I refuse to believe it happened by accident. Something that dumb can only come about through meticulous, deliberate planning by a group of very clever people, and I salute them.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST

    GurzEon

    by drew mcweeny

    Perhaps. I thought the first movie was very bad. I haven't seen this one, though, and until I do, I won't have an opinion about the movie. I've already voiced my opinion about Fox. My point is that they are separate things.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST

    kingdome come was solid

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    but not even fuckin close to the classic black album. year of the dog was dmx's worst album easily and todd smith had 11 songs about getting married. yes i know LL alwayshave love songs but that was fuckin overkill.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Question

    by stones_throw

    Is the planet that gets destroyed at the beginning anything related to FF continuity, like the Skrulls or the Impossible Man? Cuz that would be cool.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the update, Boba Fat

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    When I receive the news of Memflix's passing, I will pour a little liquor on the curb for him, just like that chubby Ice Cube fellow in Boyz N The Hood. It's the least I can do.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:09 a.m. CST

    (FRG10) ACTUALLY...

    by BigBlackDude

    I agree with you on most of the stuff you hate. BUT! That "Buy you a drink" song I kinda like. You should see the chicks in the club dance to it. You'd probably like it a little more. he he.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    I TOLD YOU IT WOULD HAPPEN

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    GurzEon you fag. rofl

  • June 15, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Dechipering Harry-ese

    by Internet Thug

    When he says "it worked for me" in a review what he means is you are going to hate it.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    WOW.

    by BigBlackDude

    I'm impressed. You guys know your Hip Hop. And I thought this site was full of mostly cornballs. Cool.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:19 a.m. CST

    It's rated PG???

    by bufflehead18

    When is the last time that happened with a superhero movie, really? Fox was smart not to let the rating out until today. The Incredibles was trying so hard to be like the FF, now I guess the roles are reversed...

  • June 15, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Can't wait. Such a huge fan

    by WONKABAR

    I'm totally taking my nephew to this...he loved the first one. Cool news indeed.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:27 a.m. CST

    PLANT!!!

    by repligin

    had to be said. had to be said...

  • June 15, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to it.

    by mrfan

    My son wants to see it. So do I.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Fucking Hell Knowles. You still dont get it.

    by LordEnigma

    Seriously, these are the movies that are not going to tread into your SERIOUS TONE territory. You want something that does not fit these films and never will. Nice of you to like it, but you are so far the GEEK in your ass. It's amazing to me that Devin Farci (who is mr. Dark) gets these movies more than you or Drew ever will. No, I dont mean GET in the way that you mean. Please use 10 dollar words to figure out what I truly mean. Nevertheless, fuck Memflix, because he looks and talks like an asshole.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    frg 10 agreed. also

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    dmx "its dark and hell is hot" nas "stillmatic" (fuckin love it) gza "liquid swords" jay-z " resonable doubt" black album" twista "adrenaline rush" biggies only two (his posthmous do not exist to me) snoop "doggystyle" dr dre "the chronic" and many more.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Nancy Drew at 54% on RT

    by bufflehead18

    FF has less then half that. I think I'm staying home this weekend...

  • June 15, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    and frg 10

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    anyone who says speakerboxx love below is outast best album (or even good) HAVE MENTAL FUCKIN ISSUES

  • June 15, 2007, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Lord Enigma

    by HEADGEEK

    I didn't say I wanted the tone of the FILM to be deadly serious, but that of Reed Richards. His character was always more serious and authoratative than his character is in the movies. THAT said - the sense of FUN is absolutely why this film works for me.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:38 a.m. CST

    STAR WARS WAS PG

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    lol F41 felt PG as did spiderman 1 and 2 (if it wasnt for the doctor killing scene 2 wouldve definetly been PG).and i dont care what critics say but i was intrested in F4 2's meter. wanted to know if it was like the first one. i can accept f4 1s flaws because it was very enjoyable (mostly due to thing and torch), but i really want a step up in quality in this one.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Memflix's firing covered by local media

    by MemBirdman

    I live in the Memphis area as well. Just saw a news story about his firing. http://tinyurl.com/35zcok

  • June 15, 2007, 5:41 a.m. CST

    hey dead or alive comes out this week

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    sure to light the box office on fire this weekend.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST

    wow memflix is in the media

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    FUCKIN SELLOUT! BOO MEMFLIX

  • June 15, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST

    but seriously that is crazy

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    and i love his statements.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Before i read the review let me just say

    by Darkcityuk

    i shat a brick

  • June 15, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Reed Richards is Captain Hornblower

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    200 years in the future, with extra stretchy abilitys. Serious fella!

  • June 15, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    You know, only two things come out of Phoenix, magi..

    by WONKABAR

    I think I already know which one you are.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by bufflehead18

    When Star Wars came out there wasn't a PG-13 rating. If movies like Star Wars and Jaws came out today, they would have different ratings.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Once at 98% at RT

    by bufflehead18

    More people need to see this movie...

  • June 15, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Dicks....

    by VinnyMac666

    That's what most of the people here are. Harry has his opinion. Deal with it. Maybe some of you can wait until you've actually seen the movie to make remarks. And maybe... juuuust maybe... You might be able to structure your thoughts in a constructive manner, leave out the six lol's and not close with calling Harry a corporate sell out. Because face it, you're an idiot if you think the man who ripped X3 and the first FF movie's assholes all the way to their sacks is selling out to Fox. See the movie, write a review and then grow up.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST

    bufflehead18 i knew you were gonna fuckin say that

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    but episode II was pg and it had its share of action.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Episode II

    by bufflehead18

    You're right supercowbell, I think that was the last time there was tons of action in a PG movie, Lucas was making up for Ep. 1. But you have to admit, If you are going to make a superhero movie you might as well not hold anything back. Everyone that wants to see it is still going to see it, no matter what it's rated. When I saw PG on Star wars it's what I expected (cause of the first three)...It surprised me when it went to PG-13. But now when I see PG on a movie, I think Disney-style kids flick...

  • June 15, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST

    LordEnigma...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... you sure you're not Memflix, because you are PROJECTING, dude. <P>I never said one word... anywhere... about wanting the FANTASTIC FOUR movies to be dark. Never said anything about serious, either. I believe "good" would be what I'm looking for.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST

    My God, when do you sleep?

    by MemBirdman

    Mori and Harry, are you ending a late night or starting an early morning? Mine's the latter...

  • June 15, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST

    And Besides...

    by bufflehead18

    I've been disappointed enough already this summer, by not listening to the critics. A man can only take so much.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    People who hate movies because of the studio

    by Bronx Cheer

    they come from are silly. People who hate studios because someone tells them the chief is a bad person...they are silly too. People who HATE movies before seeing them...silly. And people who are projectionists screening unreleased summer blockbusters for suits and then later review them so they can gain notoriety for being FIRST...well, they need to sit down and reconsider their behavior and accept responsibility for their actions. I am off to work now, so I can be important. And people who think they are important because of the job they do...they're silly too.</p> <p>Now, let's go save some lives!</p>

  • June 15, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    bufflehead- true

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    episode II was the last time a pg movie was packed with action. and there isnt really any pg action movies nowadays. episode III was easily pg-13 though due to heads getting chopped off. anakin getting set on fire sealed the deal. (though the birth probably got it to pg-13, but we're talking action here) and and i change my mind about spider-man 1, the last scene with goblin and spiderman was probably considered to tense (glider blades in goblin, exploding bomb in peters face lol) for a pg movie.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    How long have the FF lived in LONDON..

    by SteffanLongdon

    RE: The world's greatest city.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Tim Story = The Black Bret Ratner

    by Kamala

    But at least Ratner's Rush Hour movies were huge hits. Why did Tim Story get to direct the first FF film, with its big budget and large built-in fan base? Affirmitive-blackshion, me thinks. Maybe the directors of "Drumline" or "Juwanna Mann" are availible for "Thor".

  • June 15, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    I think I might see your logic there pm.

    by WONKABAR

    Please tell me there are some other people up "late". God, Return of the Musketeers...wtf am I thinking? 'night/morning

  • June 15, 2007, 6:27 a.m. CST

    THIS YEAR'S APOLOGY TO THE REAL MORIARTY

    by Paulseta

    Yes, I now realise that "the rant" is still on the site, and as such must completely retract my implication that you guys had lost your balls. It might be of interest to know that some site's boards are claiming that you had retracted the spray of venom to Fox... including the esteemed CHUD.<CR> In any case, next time I will do my own checking before pointing the finger.<CR> BTW Cigarette Burns rules, from what it's worth from someone who knows quite a bit about JC movies.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    LISTEN TO YOURSELVES!!!

    by obi12kenobi

    How stupid would a giant purple galactus look on the big screen. Honestly. Think about for christs sake. I'm a massive surfer fan but I've never liked the image of galactus. From a design point of view he looks terrible - a giant humanoid. I mean if he spends most of his time floating in space why does he need limbs. He's cosmic and his appearance should be suitably cosmic. There I said it. PS. Harry glad to have you here!

  • June 15, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    but Mori, "good" films dont make much money...

    by Seph_J

    and film making is a business. Unfortunately. And that will almost always take preference over art.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Franklin T Marmoset

    by just pillow talk

    You've got to be all psyched over this review.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    obi12kenobi.........Galactus takes different forms

    by Seph_J

    depending on what planet he is destroying. I thought Ming the Merciless had a much more hassle-free way to destroy planets...... and at least he had the decency to "play with planets first...before anhilation!.... mmmmwhahahahaha!"

  • June 15, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    its not the so called "Affirmitive-blackshion" Kamala.

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    jesus, it could be the fact that tim story directed barbershop, where in that movie everybody had chemistry and acted as family. maybe they thought he could bring those type of feelings to fantastic four, seeing as supposed to be like family.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST

    frg 10-dont fuckin bring up that piece of shit song

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    nasty girl is fuckin horrible.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    *as their*

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    fuckin stupid edit button doesnt work

  • June 15, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST

    For once I agree with Harry

    by DrSurvey

    I just got back from the first screening of the day and I enjoyed it. But then again, this is coming from someone who never watched the cartoons and never read the comics. The humour is a bit crap in some places, but apart from that I enjoyed it. Morpheus is great as the Silver Surfer, and Glactus is fine. The original idea of Galactus would have been absolutly ridiculous, and would have just been met with laughter and WTF!?! moments rather then a sense of impending doom. You see a hint of the original in shadows and in the fires of the cloud that the SS flies into, but apart from that nothing. Never noticed anything about the Watcher or anything though. Good summer fun movie - much better then the first. Although Doom sucks.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Is Tim Story Gay too?

    by Seph_J

    Cos then he would be the third gay guy to fuck up a comic book film in 2 years. Just sayin.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    How old is Harry's nephew again?

    by Atticus Finch

    So last summer Harry took him to see The Omen and this summer he is spending the night with a girl. Nice parenting.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    frg 10 YOU CANT HOLD ME, GET OFF ME!

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    lmao

  • June 15, 2007, 7:04 a.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I'm like a teenage girl about to go and see a boy band over here! Although, with a little less screaming. It's pretty damn ridiculous, but what the hell? Hopefully, I can get this silly business out of my system and go back to watching something with a bit more substance. My Wes Anderson box set arrived yesterday, so that should help.<p>Seriously, though, this is a Harry review, which doesn't mean all that much outside of Harry's own head, so I'm taking it with a pinch of salt. Nice to see him give it a fair shake, though.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Oh one thing I just noticed

    by DrSurvey

    "Well, because nobody ever refers to it as Galactus." Well correct me if I am wrong, but the SS says 'It is called by many names, but we call him Galctus' His name is directly referenced, as is the real name of the SS

  • June 15, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST

    harrys not parenting-hes uncleing

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    uncles expose there nephews to all kinds of inappropriate shit lol

  • June 15, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    So has Harry brown-nosed his way onto a TV spot yet?

    by SugarTits

    "...a globe-trotting story of epic proportions." - Harry Knowles, aintitcool.com

  • June 15, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Looks like Memflix broke no embargo...

    by bowtiehoon

    well from his accounts anyways, taken from his blog http://tinyurl.com/2fzo7g "It has been asked several times, whether I signed a confidentiality statement. I did not, nor was I told to stop writing reviews." yup, the suits are assholes...

  • June 15, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Kamala- i forgot

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    use your brain next time

  • June 15, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    By the way...

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Come on, Ain't It Cool types, who gives a fuck whether Tim Story is black or gay? That is not the twenty-first century attitude. If you dislike the guy, dislike him because you think he's shit, not for those other reasons. We are all of us better than that.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Franklin T Marmoset it was all kamala

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    dont put no blame on me. and harry the uncleing thing isnt gonna get me banned right? hope not it was a joke look-lol!lol!lol! see?

  • June 15, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    How Stupid Would A Purple Galactus Look Onscreen?

    by The Devilled Backscribe

    Answer: It wouldn't. Check out the cutscenes of the Giant Purple Planet Eater from the Marvel Ultimate Alliance game. He looks cool and he rocks. Period.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    The Devilled Backscribe

    by DrSurvey

    Massive difference between playing a computer game and watching a movie that is meant to have some degree of realism

  • June 15, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    well Franklin T Marmoset...

    by just pillow talk

    That's how I was before Spidey 3, and I left a bitter, bitter man. Here's hoping your FF2 experience lives up to whatever 'fun' standards you have for it. And while I agree with you on taking Harry's review with a pinch of salt, it is a surprising turn of events that he enjoyed it. That's gotta make you feel a little better. Maybe.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Harry....

    by brassai2003

    the Surfer does call him Galactus when he's in the Army torture room. BUt what Do I know, I'm just a plant who liked the movie?

  • June 15, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I GALACTUS! I PURPLE!!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I have to say, even though I don't give a toss about the comics, I'm disappointed I won't be seeing Galactus in his comic book form in this new Fantastic Four adventure. Seeing that big purple guy turn up at the end of the film with that goofy helmet on would be the perfect way to ice the cake. It would be funny as hell, I'm sure.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Harry, Isn't your nephew like 6? Spending the night...

    by MJAYACE

    with girlfriend? WTF? I know you are a Rosie loving liberal but com'n. :P I am sure you are f$%#%ng around with us but coming from the guy who took his nephew to see The Texas Chainsaw Massacre or whatever who knows....

  • June 15, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    nice looking shot of galactus

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    http://tinyurl.com/yvcv6y

  • June 15, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    for a devourer of worlds...

    by just pillow talk

    he looks so gosh darn cute!

  • June 15, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST

    I GALACTUS! I CUTE!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    "He he," Galactus snickered to himself, "in this form Jessica Alba is sure to tuck me up in bed with her! Then, when she is sleeping, I will devour her 'world'!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!"

  • June 15, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    MEMFLIX in Hollywood Reporter

    by tile_mcgillus

    Hollywood Reporter Article:<br> http://tinyurl.com/3a9ldq<p> JOBLO Covers it:<br> http://www.joblo.com/gone-too-far

  • June 15, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    CHRISTINA MILLIAN

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    instant boner lol finest woman alive i swear. i dont want to imagine harry and-FUCK FRG10 TO LATE

  • June 15, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    How could anyone...

    by Boba Fat

    sit through two and half hours of a wisecracking, orange rock man, a super smart rubberman etc and then draw the line at a purple, planet eating giant? Oh and Supercowbell, please don't ban me, cant stop the cowbell? Go fuck yourself.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    But does Harry like it as much as he liked Jar Jar?

    by chrth

    That's the question I want to know the answer to.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Uh, yeah ... I'll pass anyway, thanks.

    by jae683

    Jessica Alba as Sue Storm? Don’t get me wrong, Jessica Alba is hot as hell, but she isn't Caucasian. I don't care if they put a blonde wig on her and give her blue eye contacts, she just isn't. Why do casting directors think they have to cast against type to be considered 'geniuses?' The world may never know. Oh, and frg10 ... that image was really, really uncalled for. 'shudders'

  • June 15, 2007, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Boba Fat what the hell?

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    whoa what the fuck is up with you? and i said dont ban me as a joke and the fact that im sick of having to register to this site every two days.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    How is it for a 4-year-old geek?

    by MemBirdman

    My son loves Justice League and the Ultimate Avengers animated movies. You think it's OK for him to go see, or is it still a little old for him?

  • June 15, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST

    jar jar should be cast as one of the guys who didnt

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    go and see hostel 2. should be a huge cast for that movie.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    You started it, maybe you've forgotten?

    by Boba Fat

    <p>

  • June 15, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    wow, this movie actualky DIDNT suck.

    by WolfmanNards

    I was blown away by the fact that this movie wasn't a piece of shit. I'm surprised, though, that Harry is giving a positive review- he doesn't even know the director on this one.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    oh yea i was joking

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

  • June 15, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Why doesn't this suprise me, HD-DVD boy?

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    So Galactus doesn't suck just because he isnt referred to by name? So then are you assuming maybe its NOT him? didnt think so.<br><br>Silver Surfer doesn't look real half the movie? Oh, at least they got it right HALF the time....<br><br>Harry gets more out of touch every fuckin day, I swear.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    yes but they pale in comparison to gigli.

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    no one should ever forget about that super duper bomb.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    lancelot lol

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    and the postman only made 17 mil on a 80 mil budget(just googled it)? HOLY SHIT THATS FUCKIN BAD!

  • June 15, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    "Even as I read every original issue in their ...

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    .. original printing"<p> Do tell.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    if they did a silver surfer movie right

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    it would be the greatest thing every.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Harry loved Attack of the Clones

    by Rupee88

    His judgement is questionable at times. But it seems like he was in the mood for a good kids movie and this sounds like one of those. I'll pass, but I sort of see what he is saying...is expectations were low and he enjoyed it.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Harry just can't win can he?

    by Sundaycall1

    Talk Backs are a great thing, but they've also developed sub-cultures of over-excited lynch-mobs that love to bash whatever they can. Isn't it possible that maybe, just mabe this movie is a decent flick? Not a classic of the genre (what is nowadays?) but just, ya know, fun and exciting and passable? No? It's not is it. Especially for a small army of people that seem to be dying to 'hate any movie they haven't seen but don't quite like the look of the poster/trailer/concept/casting/random piece of develop rumour/news'?!? It borders on movie bigotry really and it's sad that that amount of cynicism is actually robbing some 'fans' of the cinema experience nowadays. Some bitch about Harry telling a childhood story or re-livng some older film or describing the exclusive event. BRAVO! That's the sort of thing that makes going to the movies so special, that whole fuckin package and experience. Keep it up Harry! I'll check it out eventually and try to keep an open mind. P.s. Harry, yes Moriarty gave X-3 a favourable review (note just favourable) but you're the one that told us Terminator 3 was "A Damn Good Film".... just saying.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Headgeek has chose 8-track...and Here's why...

    by HoboJuiceExplosion

    Goddamnit! Another fuckin' dance number?! What the hell is up with Marvel movies!?! The Marvel Universe is fucked. Next thing we'll see is Stan Lee working on a damn Paris Hilton project...uh, whoops.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    it's amazing, Harry

    by Kloipy

    what happened to Memflix is utter bullshit. I wonder if the same thing would have happened if he wrote a negative review of Hostel 2. Funny how we didn't see any of those, did we? I just find it distasteful to print a glowing review of a movie that got a man fired from his real job because of. I don't care how much you enjoyed this delightful romp of crap, just out of consideration for Memflix you shouldn't have reviewed or given anymore time to this film.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Oh well, that's Harry's honeymoon paid for...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    I keed... I keed...

  • June 15, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    weird i was just in the transformers talkback...

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    saying how much i like attack of the clones. dont care i like it.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    What else pisses me off

    by Kloipy

    Is the supposed "moral code" of this site. Granted I don't think the billboard for Captivity was tasteful, but look at how wet Harry got over the meat and girl with head cut off posters for Hostel. You can't cry out that something children can see is distasteful and then be ok with showing a picture of Eli Roth with a huge dick on an easy to find page on your website. Or Eli Roth getting spanked by a domenatrix. That's ok for kids to see right? Or the in detail description of a movie you thought was "awesome" where a girl gets raped with a knife and you get to see it up close. I'm not a prude, but you need to choose your battles wisely, I've seen much more offensive things on this site, that children can easily see, than that billboard.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Rupee next time if you are trying to get harry pissed

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    bring up the fact that he loved godzilla. star wars movies are pretty damn likeable, but godzilla is something everyone agrees was a giant piece of shit. he said the "atomsphere" is what made him give it a postive review to godzilla. the experience was fun for you harry.but the movie was garbage. why didnt you just say that in the review?

  • June 15, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Massawyrm says memflix is right

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    i say ill still see it

  • June 15, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Godzilla and Matrix Revolutions

    by OGREISHERE

    2 more films that Harry just loved.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I JUST REALIZED - Harry won't be able to get this on HD

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!<br><br> It's Fox! Too bad he didn't pick Blu-Ray!<br> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! <br><br> ...dumbass.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Galactus Wears Purple Pants

    by Preacher_klee

    Our next target - JMS and the Silver Surfer movie. My Galactus wears purple pants. Cloud Galactuses are for sissies. myspace.com/galactuswearspurplepants group of the same name on Facebook.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Love the site but I never trust Harry

    by Trazadone

    I mean, this is the guy who cried during Armageddon, right? Praised the awful Spider-Man 3, right? Enjoyed the muddled Pirates 3, right? Liked the terrible 28 Weeks Later, right? Over time I've come to trust the other authors on this site. These days Harry seems to "love" everything. FF2 is getting universally panned, even on this site, so my assumption is that Harry is way off on this one.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    well spidey 3 had a great first half and great action

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    but the whole black suit potrayed as a dancing abilty enhancer is when things got weird.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I agree supercowbell

    by Trazadone

    The first half was pretty solid but then it went horribly, horribly wrong.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Harry Has Sold Out

    by darthhugo

    First time TBer.... Harry has obviously been seduced, as his reviews are no longer useful... see this review and the Pirates 3. Please block my IP address from accessing your piece of shit site, as all respect has been lost. Bye.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    im gonna go see it later today

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    wish me luck

  • June 15, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Harry's Punctuation

    by The Colonel

    This review...is utterly disgusting. I'd like to see someone, better at writing handle these reviews. Harry can't - write for...shit. His punctuation is - atrocious...at best. But he means well. But he can't string two - sentences...together. With, all the misplaced - commas, and...hyphens it is a fucking - chore, ... to read, these painful - reviews...even with, out - taking into account, how much of a studio shill - he is. Sure noone...comes to - this site, for anything...resembling objectivity - but come...on now. And consult a...goddamn, grammar - book, for God's...sake - you...fucking - hack.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Colonel,

    by HoboJuiceExplosion

    ...I salute you! Had me lol-ing. I had a Gut-busting Laugh of Epic Proportions!

  • June 15, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    HARRY, this is how I felt when I finally saw GHOSTRIDER

    by George Newman

    when I watched it for the first time 2 days ago. <p>WHICH ISN'T A GOOD THING. <p>After 6 months of hearing how painfully lame it was and completely lowering my expectations, I finally said 'sure, I'll see it.' And I thought it was fine cuz it wasn't as bad as I thought. There were some horribly wrong filmmaking choices that were made, but instead of feeling indignant at the lack of competency, I just laughed. I had "Fun," or turned a blind-eye, if you will. <p> I don't want to have to lower my expectations for a movie that I really want to see. Why can't the right people make these movies?

  • June 15, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    HeadGeek`s lost it. He loves HOSTEL, BAY, and FF.

    by Man_of_Stool

    This is way beyond incomprehensible. Back in the day, I really thought he knew a thing or two about filmmaking. GOOD filmmaking, that is.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Well now I really know it sucks

    by INWOsuxRED

    and I haven't read the review or the talkback. I just know from the headline.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Minister casting

    by zacdilone

    Is Harry complaining that the guy playing the minister was too familiar, or that he didn't look like a minister? Because I am a minister and have yet to see a casting sheet describing what we're supposed to look like.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    I Can't believe you Harry

    by lathspellucr

    You seemed to have no problems with this movie making ridiculous changes to the characters/story yet you railed on for hours about how bad X-men 3 sucked for the same reasons. While X-men 3 wasn't perfect, I'm certain beyond any doubt that you gave that movie more shit than it deserved because you went into it with the preconcieved notion that it would suck. I started to notice that about all your reviews after that so I am not at all surprised that you liked this movie. You were ripping on it from day one, then the trailer came out, and all of a sudden you absolutely loved it despite all the bad reviews and negative feedback it was getting. I don't think there was anything that could have been done to make you hate this movie because you were so convinced it would be good. That being said, I honestly think you need to go into these movies with a more open mind and allow yourself to believe that some movies with great hype (like Fantastic Four) might not be as good as you've been led to believe while some movies with a lot of bad hype (like X-men 3) might actually turn out to be pretty damn entertaining. And by the way, I personally think that you would have loved the hell out of X-men 3 if it was the exact same movie directed by Bryan Singer. That being said, I hope that you keep a less biased mind when you review movies in the future.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Harry spazzes out over flashy crap again

    by Zandunga

    Just like with Attack of the Clones and countless other cinematic garbage, Harry gets all geeky and comes in his pants over something that even your garden variety fanboy will despise. This is why, while it enjoys a rep for spy scoops and such, AICN has never been taken seriously in terms of its reviews. Talk about no credibility. Look at the 26% FF4 2 has on the Tomatometer so far at rottentomatoes.com...hell, I think this token journalist dude from AP is more credible than Harry right now: 'Fantastic Four' Still Bore' http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=2058746&GT1=7701&mp=r

  • June 15, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    MASSA gives the comicFan review, HARRY a forgiving one

    by George Newman

    With comic movies, there is always a standard(the original books) to hold the films to. <p>Harry, often contradicting himself, will separate book from film. It shows the movie GRACE when viewers should not have to be gracious in the first place. It is a testament to the film's weakness and failures, if a viewer is going to first have to have a forgiving mindset before entering the theater. <p> IT'S A BUNCH OF CRAP. <p> Make a good movie!

  • June 15, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Big surprise. Studio perks for good reviews again, eh?

    by googamooga

    I'm just saying... After all, it's not as if Harry has shown a whole of integrity in the past in regards to movies that were universally panned... "Godzilla is the greatest movie EVAR!!!!" (or something to that effect....whatever...) Oh, and let's not forget the whole 2000 Oscars thing...

  • June 15, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Harrys Nephew hosed him...

    by mr dark

    Even Harry's nephew didn't want to get to close to this movie.. He had better things to do like play doctor with his girlfriend..At least HE has his priorities straight..As for Harry's lack of interest regarding MEMFLIX its understandable...He may have just chosen to not want to take a stand..An unwise move comparable to chosing HD-DVD..( I kid..) But still he has a right to his opinion just as MEMFLIX did...Oh Wait ... The powers that be have just informed me MEMFLIX had to lose his job because of that opinion...Harry what do you really think about that......

  • June 15, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Glad you liked it Harry, but...

    by kafka07

    it still sounds freakin terrible. And my frustration with Marvel movies is already bad enough from spidercrap 3. I'll wait for Transformers.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    spidercrap 3 lmao

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    how can a phrase so stupid and simple be so damn funny?

  • June 15, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    supercowbell please REPENT!

    by Kamala

    Story's last film was "Taxi" fucking "Taxi". It shows up on Rotten Tomatoes worst reviewed films of all time list. Let's give $150 million and beloved characters to the director of "Chill Factor" when they get around to the Avengers movie. Chill Factor has that family feel between the two leads as well.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    What's the last movie Harry said he hated?

    by Abominable Snowcone

    And what was the last movie he said he hated, but it was otherwise well-received? I'm not disagreeing with this review (I can't, cuz I haven't seen the movie) but most write-ups say it sucks, and it does seem like Harry likes everything, good or bad, or is too willing to find whatever good is in a picture and extrapolate on that. Sure, maybe it was a fun movie. It's also fun eating Big Macs, but you know that there are better burgers, and that you could have steak.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Who's Memflix?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Get it? Did you see what I did?<p>All hail the Fantastic Four, finally available in film form!

  • June 15, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    They should have gotten

    by seagrass

    MF Doom to play the baddie. At least then he could have dropped some mad beats and rhymes and given this shitstorm a bit of class.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Harry hated X3 but LOVED FF2 - go figure

    by Spacesheik

    Saw the flick, it's a lightweight, 90 minute kiddie based flick with no Galactus helmet in it (and I was looking real careful for it), SPOILER ALERT !!!! ..... There was a London Eye sequence that was supposed to be the sequel's action beat of the first movie's Golden Gate set piece but it was inferior to that because all the F4 did was hold the ferris wheel together so it didnt collapse (no threat, no villains, minimal action). The Silver Surfer was cool (and Fishburne's voice was ace) but he seemed trapped in the wrong film, I feel his presence has been trivialized and will negate him having his own series although the f/x for the SS was well done and the character had a gravitas, which was welcome in this genre. Dr Doom is back and he wants to steal the surfboard and he actually spends the climax of the film gliding over China throwing bolts at the F4 (who split up in their little jets) and the Great Wall of China. The human torch gets an amalgamation of the F4 powers, The Thing has practically nothing to do in the film and the film takes a good 15 minutes to get to the opening weding of the film (which we saw at the start of the trailer). Andre Braugher plays the Generic Evil American General (a la Stryker in X-2) and all generals do something stupid in comic book movies so his little army is obliterated in a 5 second action scene. All in all, the kids loved it and there was applause at the closing credits. It's a family picture, expect no more. And it's very sad that the John Ottman score was so forgettable, I don't even remember if there was a central F4 theme. By the way, I have to admit I laughed hard at the Stan Lee cameo (his best in any Marvel movie so far). But let me make something clear: it is *not* an improvement over the first film.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Harry, to regain your lost credibility

    by darthhugo

    The long-time fans of this site want a complete audit of the perks that you receive from all sources (studios, theaters, weight-loss companies, etc.)... because you have obviously sold out. With that said, you have become a liability to the ideals that you began with and are taking down your sites credibility. For those good reviewers and truth-speakers left writing on this site, for God's sake, don't tar them with the same brush-o-corruption that has so fully coated your large, corpulent frame and persona. Sorry, had to be said. Now, I'm gone.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Harry's master scheme

    by TVguy4566

    Harry is a genius and you guys just don't realize it. Now that Harry is firmly in the HD DVD camp and Fox is anti-HD DVD, Harry has made a huge gesture to bring Fox to the HD DVD camp. All the critics have been resoundily bashing FF2. Many of these guys are firmly entrenced in the BluRay camp. Now Fox will see that the only guy who is willing to give a positive review for this piece of trash is an HD DVD guy, they will see the light and start releasing HD DVDs. Harry will single handily shift the battle of formats to the HD DVD side and yet you all mock him. You small minded people.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Question:

    by Farley Flavors

    I've only been an AICN groupie for a couple years so I wonder, did Harry ever have any credibility?

  • June 15, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    No Herbie the Robot?

    by Jakes Nel

    Fuck this film, then.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Alba running from her roots...

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    My grandfather was the only Mexican at his college, the only Hispanic person at work and the only one at the all-white country club. He tried to forget his Mexican roots, because he never wanted his kids to be made to feel different in America. He and my grandmother didn't speak Spanish to their children. Now, as a third-generation American, I feel as if I have finally cut loose." "My whole life, when I was growing up, not one race has ever accepted me, ... So I never felt connected or attached to any race specifically. I had a very American upbringing, I feel American, and I don't speak Spanish. So, to say that I'm a Latin actress, OK, but it's not fitting; it would be insincere." "My grandfather was the only one in our family to go to college. He made a choice not to speak Spanish in the house. He didn't want his kids to be different." "George Lopez starts speaking to my father in Spanish, and my dad says, 'I don't speak Mexican.' I turned purple. I love my papa. But he has no filter. I probably acquired that characteristic from him." "Alba is my last name and I'm proud of that. But that's it. My grandparents were born in California, the same as my parents, and though I may be proud of my last name, I'm American. Throughout my whole life, I've never felt connected connected to one particular race or heritage, nor did I feel accepted by any. If you break it down, I'm less Latina than Cameron Diaz, whose father is Cuban. But people don't call her Latina because she's blonde." in my opinion this is a fucked up attitude to have ....

  • June 15, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    HERBIE the robot

    by Crimson Dynamo

    Where the rights to the Torch tied up or something when they made that FF cartoon? I always wondered why they didn't pull some other Marvel character like Quicksilver or Iceman to fill in, or make up a character like Firestar, or just say F it if we can't use the Torch

  • June 15, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Geez Harry...

    by Billyeveryteen

    You are supposed to defend us from crap like this. Not sell it.<p>If you love FF so much, your standards should be higher.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I saw it a midnight and it was pretty good

    by Namorita

    I a major marvel fan, if you do a search I was biblically pissed about Thomas Jane leaving P2...I watched the Extended Cut of GR with Director commentary...I went to the midnight showing of F4-ROT$$ Are these great films, heck no. Are they fun, yep, look at Electra, that was contractual dung, it was horrid, but it was made. FF1 eh, the extended cut makes them more human feeling, be eh....FF2 I could get into it was fun I laughed outloud....I will even see it again this week after I watch SP3 on the IMAX....Yes this is the golden age of Marvel Movies...perhaps Ironman and Reboot Hulk will be the silver age or better...I stand by Harry! I liked it! Namorita....

  • June 15, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Harry, you lost me at "Herbie the robot"

    by Snookeroo

    That cartoon version was an abortion. I don't care if you were eight at the time.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Fuck Fantastic Four

    by ImFixingtoDie

    Harry, you like Fantastic Four better than X-Men? Even if you go back. Fucking Cyclops and Beast man. Anyone who ever took a fork to the arm of their Stretch Armstrong doll knows that Wolverine would make quick work of Reed Richards. I actually walked out of the first one after 20 minutes, right after the truly awful Space Station CGI. It was my Pauline Kael "life is short" moment. In Conclusion, fuck Fantastic Four.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    They made a movie about the end of the world...

    by westwood13

    ... that's 89 minutes long and still includes a dance number? Somebody needs to get this franchise away from Tim Story and give it to someone with enough imagination to have gotten a full-length motion picture out of the approach Galactus.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Two Things

    by Darth Busey

    1) This series has been one misstep after another. Perhaps the worst cast and directed big-budget "franchise" in film history. 2) Isn't Harry's nephew like 8 or 9?

  • June 15, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    true but x3 wasnt fun or funny

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    the thing and torch make the movie enjoyable. kitty saying dickhead wasnt cool or funny.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Also Chiklis

    by ImFixingtoDie

    How is THE SHIELD not getting him better film work? All he's done in 5 years is FF 1&2 and RISE w/Lucy Liu? He would have been great in something like THE DEPARTED.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Uh Surfer DOES call him Galactus

    by Vadakin

    When explaining who he is to Sue...he says that his people referred to the Destroyer as GALACTUS. <p> So I'm sorry Harry...but you're wrong and Galactus is in the film but he's seriously fucked up. <p> ANd for the record...Harry I'm sure you'll agree...the cartoon version from the 90's was awesome...THAT's the best adaptation of the Galactus story that's been done...so forget the movie guys and go watch the cartoon.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Fellow Talkbackers...

    by Vadakin

    OK, I wrote a basic outline for a Galactus movie...if I posted it, would you guys give me your thoughts? It's basically an idea of what I think the movie should have been. <p> Let me know.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    GALACTUS

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    It's official Marvel canon that Galactus is a star. As in "A giant sphere of incandecent gas". He appears in different ways depending on the inhabitants of the planet he's trying to eat. So, (and keep in mind that I haven't seen the movie yet) it's entirely possible that Galactus is "a cloud" or whatever while the FF are tracking him through space, but will be the Galactus we all know and love once he makes his debut in FF3.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Galactus won't be in FF3

    by Vadakin

    Sorry Supercowbell...don't want to spoil anything, but I can guarantee he won't be in the third film

  • June 15, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    FF2

    by jvg1168

    FF2 ( or Fantasticaly Fucked the 2nd time around!!) No Galactus, bad casting!!! and moronic director!! just stick to Barbershop 3 and leave FF3 in better hands please or next thing you know Ice Cube will be Thing in the 3rd movie!! now instead of 2 bad FF movies out there there's 3!!! at least one of them was never realeased!!! at least that one kept the spirit of the FF and a better Doom to boot!!!

  • June 15, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    I am not a plant - vegatative yes, not a plant...

    by Namorita

    I have 2 kids, a married almost 13 years - I was a marvel universe comic book collector and had over 3 thousand action figures as toy biz pulled marvel out of Bankruptcy...plants don't spend their hard earn money, plants don't teach their kids the lore of Asgard or Atlantis or the of the mists that made Black bolt...Plant nope - Fan boy perhaps.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    LMFAO AT MEMFLIX

    by Internet Thug

    "Fox is worried about losing money on the movie" Umm..yeah okay guy they are terrified that the word of a 29 year old projctor jockey and college student is going to tank their 60 million dollar opening weekend!!!

  • June 15, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Put it this way

    by Vadakin

    I reviewed the film for another site...and I gave it a 1.5 out of 10...that's how bad I thought it was...even worse than X3. <p> Anyways...any response to me posting my own outline? It's not finished, have to work out some of the personal relationships and character development, but the basic story is there.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Paging Vern....

    by Drexl Spivey

    I don't trust any reviews of this film that are REMOTELY positive. Nothing about it looks good. I will only be moved to spend my hard earned cash on FF 2: Rape of the Silver Surfer if Vern shows up and says it's a good goddamn movie. That is all.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    for once Harry is almost dead on in his review.

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    although Kerry Washington didn't bother me nearly as much as she did Harry. The Galactus cloud irritated me, but not as much as I thought it would. I hated Julian McMahon even more than Harry did. dude looks like a Vidal Sassoon pitchman. the movie is fun, and I was digging it, up until Dr. Doom showed up. then it kinda went back and forth for me. but the big fight at the end was fun, and the Surfer was amazing. 3 stars out of 5 from me! whereas the first one would rank one and a half stars from me.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Herc spooged himself over Lady in the Water

    by Yogsoggoth

    That film sucked, so I guess this one did too. I guess Tim Story let Harry park his car, so Harry felt he had to give him a good review.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    This just in

    by Yogsoggoth

    FF2 27% at rottentomatoes. Well behind Nancy Drew and DOA.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Pull a Harry Potter

    by waggy

    Put Alfonso Cuaron on part 3. (Ok, so that's my answer for everything) Going to see this in a couple hours, and I've been saying since the first trailer that if this one delivers a few kick-ass action sequences it will at least be better than the first. Nice to hear that seems to be the case and then some. Too bad Doom still blows though. He was by far the element of the first that pissed me off the most.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I agree with Harry: FF2 is reasonably un-horrible.

    by Alexandra.DuPont

    While vast chunks of the thing fall apart if you think too hard -- why does Sue Storm engage in no actual science? What the hell is Dr. Doom doing there? Why do we never get a clear sense of Galactus as a personality or understand the precise scope of the Surfer's powers? &tc. (Harry's critiques are spot-on) -- FF2 is in every sense roughly 1 million times less excreble than FF1. It is, God help me, brisk and fairly fun for kids. Like Harcourt Fenton Knowles, I was absolutely shocked by this. This is still B-Marvel -- it doesn''t have the ambition of the 'Spidey' films -- but as a brightly colored superhero goof for children, it (and it's almost physically painful to write this, given my hatred of the first film) pretty much works as intended. And yes, they did a stunning job with the Surfer. I think a lot of people are going to be mildly pleasantly surprised by this.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Where X-men films succeeded and FF films fail...

    by Colegegraduit

    I think one thing that the X-men films did RIGHT was never really attempting Sentinels. They look ominous in the comics, sort of ominous in cartoons, yet in live action, they’d just be a bunch of laughable B-grade Godzilla trash. Yeah, there was a danger room shot of one of the Sentinel’s heads after Wolverine attacked it; acceptable, because they never show you the full sentinel so you never get the “Are You Freaking Kidding Me” Godzilla effect. Jump to Galactus on FF 2. Many a comic geek through the years has attempted a Galactus costume on Halloween, and they never work. The costume is pretty gay, the helmet is VERY gay, and the idea of a giant space warrior is, well…gay. I don’t mean this in the homophobic sense; I mean this in the “would you please give me a break there is NO WAY a Giant Warrior Space Man was ever going to be seen in live action without a whole audience laughing out loud” sense. What the FF saga should do is take a cue from the X-men movies; concentrate on Doctor Doom as the main big bad, the same way Magneto was used throughout the X-men saga. To be fair: yes, FF can also learn from X-men’s mistakes. Don’t make the mistake X-Men 3 did and try to bite off a bigger story than you can chew in one movie. If there’s a FF 3, just have Doom threaten humankind somehow and concentrate on the characters. As for Galactus: any attempts to make him live action should vanish like a puff of smoke.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    For those worried bout Mem

    by MediaNerd

    With his story going national, you know he's gonna get his moment of fame and screen time and I'm sure someone will use it as pr to hire him in some film capacity. Kid'll be just fine.<br><br>FF never interested me (movie or comic). What is the appeal character wise? Thing was kinda interesting, but none of the other characters ever caught the imagination. Why do you like them so much(seriously no being sarcastic)?

  • June 15, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Screw it...here's my version...

    by Vadakin

    Ok, this is a work in progress, and I took some liberties, most notably by changing the nullifier from the cartoon into the source of the power cosmic itself, which some of you may not like...as I said, there's still a lot to work out...but for your reading pleasure...my Fantastic Four outline...what I think it should have been. <p> And there are a few things taken from the movie, for conveniences sake more than anything. <p> Fantastic Four: The Coming of Galactus. <p> It starts with a voice over from the Watcher...a prologue that tells the story of the Silver Surfer, how Galactus came to his planet (only his enormous shadow is shown) and how Norrin Rad (sp?) made a deal to save his world, by agreeing to serve Galactus. We then move forward, watching as world after world is destroyed, witnessing the Surfer fly through space, before finally reaching Earth. <p> Like the movie, the Surfer's presence causes disturbances around the world, the power cosmic releasing Doom from is metal prison, prompting the military to intervene and attack the Surfer. Their efforts prove pointless however and the Surfer defeats them easily. <p> Meanwhile, Reed Richards is monitoring deep space telescopes, noting that a strange force with an cosmic energy reading that's off the scale is headed towards Earth, while Doom is tracking the Surfer. <p> Ben is planning to propose to Alicia, while Johnny is dating a former colleague at NASA, called Frankie Raye. <p> When the Surfer arrives in New York, he ends up in a battle with the Four and during the battle, the Surfer notices a strange figure on a rooftop, watching the battle (later revealed as the Watcher - in human form). Of course the Four are beaten badly and the Surfer goes into space, sending out an energy pulse from his board to signal Galactus. <p> Doctor Doom, in his castle at Latveria, uses a device, similar to the cosmic storm generator of the first film, to draw the Surfer to him (the Surfer senses the cosmic energy, which is similar to his own power) and manages to steal the board from the Surfer, gaining his powers. <p> The Fantastic Four, having followed the Surfer, encounter Doom, who is practically invincible, thanks to the power cosmic. After a hectic battle with doom, again they lose and Doom begins a rampage across the planet, trying to force the world's leaders to hand power over to him. <p> The Fantastic Four meanwhile, rescue the Surfer from the Dungeon in Dooms castle and the Surfer explains his presence on Earth, much to the horror of the Four. (it should be noted that the Watcher is present at many of the events going on in the movie, watching from afar). <p> The Surfer agrees to help fight Doom but says he cannot stop Galactus and that they should treasure the little time they have left, and so, with the Surfer, the Fantastic Four travel back to New York to try to find a way to stop Doom, who just happens to be going to the UN to declare himself absolute ruler of the planet. <p> It is then that the Surfer sees the Watcher, thinking that the stranger is familiar. The Watcher, who makes himself known explains that he was present when the Surfer made his deal with Galactus, but the Surfer has no memory of his past. The Watcher then places his hand on the Surfers forehead, restoring his memories, and we see flashes of Norrin Rad's life. <p> But even after getting his memories back, the Surfer says he can't defy his master and that it's pointless to even try and the Watcher says he cannot interfere with the events that are transpiring. <p> So, the Watcher and Surfer can only stand and watch as the Four try to take on Doom one more. They last a little longer this time but it's obvious that Doom is far stronger. He begins to build up energy, intent on destroying the Four, and New York along with them but as he is about to do so, a great shadow falls across the city, storm clouds begin to appear...Galactus has arrived. Remember the ships from Independence Day? Well Galactus' ship is bigger, and Galactus himself stands on a platform...and yes he's a giant. His booming voice calls for his herald as tentacle like machines from the ship plough into the ground, preparing to absorb the planets energy. <p> Doom of course is having none of it, and attacks Galactus...bad move. Galactus defeats him easily, taking the power cosmic from him and giving it back to the Surfer. <p> Initially, the Surfer defends Galactus, but he hears a conversation between Alicia and the Watcher, as she tries to convince him that the human race is worth saving and for proof, he just needs to look at the Four, who fight, despite having no chance of winning. <p> The Watcher explains that allowing Galactus to die was not a risk he could take even if he wanted to as it could cause the universe to collapse. The Surfer then stops his fight against the Four and suggests that there is one way Galactus may be defeated, deciding to defy his master. <p> It is decided that the Human Torch would follow the Watcher to the centre of the universe, where all things began and the source of the Power Cosmic. The Torch has to go because he is the only one who can survive within the fires of the universal centre. <p> The Watcher and Torch then disappear, leaving Reed, Ben and Sue to fight Galactus, joined by the Surfer who turns against his master. But rather than attack him directly, they go for his world-eating machines, trying to slow down their progress and buy time for Johnny. <p> Meanwhile, Johnny arrives at his destination, surrounded by flame, his body filled with the Power Cosmic. <p> Tired of his heralds defiance, Galactus attacks the Surfer and the Four, meaning to wipe them from existence, but Johnny returns just in time, and battles Galactus, each strike draining some of Galactus' energy. <p> Eventually, Galactus falls from his platform, into the river, his body weakened and in need of energy. Just as Johhny is about to deliver the final blow however, The Watcher steps in and stops him, before speaking to Galactus, who recognises him and is surprised that he interfered. <p> Weakened and dying, Galactus agrees to leave the Earth and never return if they help him. Johnny doesn't trust him, but the Watcher explains that Galactus isn't good or evil...he has no malice, he simply must survive, but when he gives his word, he does not break it and reluctantly, Johnny gives up his newfound power, giving it to Galactus who rises from the river and back to his platform. <p> Before leaving though, he banishes the Surfer, confining him to this galaxy, stating that he can never explore beyond it, and thus never return home to his own world. Galactus is now in need of a new herald and Frankie steps forward, agreeing to serve Galactus and travel the stars on two conditions. One, that she would only search for worlds without life, and two, that she be allowed to retain her memories. <p> Galactus agrees and despite Johnny's protests, Galactus gives her the power cosmic and she becomes Nova. Reed tells her that there is a world rich in energy but without life a few lightyears away. but Nova explains that she can already sense the planet, and many beyond it. <p> As Galactus and Nova depart, Johnny follows, allowing Nova to say goodbye before flying out of the atmosphere, forcing Johnny to stop as his own fire begins to go out in the thin air. <p> The Surfer departs to explore the galaxy and the Watcher disappears, leaving the Fantastic Four alone on a rooftop with Alicia and Ben planning a double wedding with Reed and Sue. Maybe it sucks...but that's how I think it should have been done. Thee's more too it, but I didn't want to bore you even further. <p> Most of the stuff I left out has to do with Frankie and Johnny, as well as some Ben and Sue stuff. <p> As I said, it's not finished, but it's a basic idea of what I think the Galactus FF movie should have been. <p> Thoughts? Comments? Flames?

  • June 15, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Alexandra DuPont Also Liked It!!!

    by monorail77

    I may just go see this. But I'm so conflicted: I had vowed not to give Fox my money for this because of the Memflix debacle. What should I do? I know my kids really want me to take them to this. My love for my kids, and the love of taking them to movies, will probably win out. Sorry, Memflix!

  • June 15, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    I want The Power Cosmic

    by Drexl Spivey

    so I can blow up this web site.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Are there two different versions of this movie?

    by yesiamaplant

    Because fuck if it doesn't seem to be polarizing people. I think that would make things MUCH easier.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    GurzEon and others...

    by davywankenobi

    So, someone liked(an expression of OPINION) and their "credibility is shot? WTF ever. How old are you to think that things are only going to be your way? Ever had to settle for 3 channels plus PBS? So they liked something you loathe? I'm sure somebody out there enjoyed Batman and Robin, but I don't care. Grow up. As far as Harry liking it, if it's an honest review, fine, but if it's to curry favor with the studio, then he's lost his integrity. That said, you still need to grow up and realize that not everybody is on the same page culturally. The last time that happened, we called them NAZIs. That didn't turn out so well.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Rise of Aintitnoballs.com

    by Darth_Potter

    Could Fox have fired Harry from his own website if he had wrote a negative review? Because otherwise, I can't figure out the review he did post.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Really, FUCK Memflix!

    by Krinkle

    This is the 21st century, and this culture has LONG-SINCE eaten itself: Of COURSE some angry projectionist is gonna take a chance to slam a movie made by the company that pays him seven bucks an hour - I wouldn't trust the opinion of a disgruntled worker, would you? Why are we making a hero out of some pissed-off kid? Regardless of whether FF2 stinks or not...

  • June 15, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Galactus is a cloud

    by IAmLegolas

    http://tinyurl.com/2z5cgt

  • June 15, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    he enjoyed it now..

    by revenge_flicks

    But at the end of the year, Harry will come out with Best of 2007 list and all the films will be films you cannot see yet. Why? to spite you! to kiss ass to the cookie cutter film industry! instead of targeting what is wrong with the studios, Harry just tags along for the ride, scooping up freebies along the way.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Harry made a mistake, that's all

    by Vadakin

    He says the reason he wasn't mad about the whole Cloudicus thing is because nobody ever mentioned the name "Galactus" so as far as he was concerned, it wasn't Galactus, but just a giant tornado cloud thing. <p> Well you may want to change your position on this Harry, because as I mentioned before, Galactus is named in the film...and by the Surfer no less. <p> The Surfer says, while speaking with Sue in the military base, that the people of his world called the being "GALACTUS", so yes, it is Galactus who appears in the movie. <p> So, I suggest you redo your review Harry, you may still like the same things, but Galactus is officially named in the film by his herald, so the reason for you not being pissed off is non-existent. <p> I'm sure you just made a mistake and didn't hear the line, but even if the line didn't exist...were you really prepared to say that the Surfer was a herald to a planet-eating being who actually isn't Galactus? <p> In any case, Galactus was named in the film...are you mad now?

  • June 15, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Plant!

    by Mister Fame

    Eli Roth turns out to be Galactus.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Harry's Cred

    by RevengeOfJobu

    I'm sorry man, I love the site and I am a big fan. I have to ask this question though... Is there anyone with less credibility that Harry regarding movie reviews?

  • June 15, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Harry, you cheap slut...

    by Anti-fanboy

    Imbue an FF movie with some of the easy group dynamics from the Lee/Kirby era, and that's enough to make it "fun" for you... despite such atrocities as Hurricane Galactus... and a version of Doctor Doom that would be totally at home in a Sci Fi Channel original movie... Geez, Harry... you big lovable geek... ahh, I can't stay mad at you. Glad you enjoyed it. Ya slut.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    All this is Roy's fault!!!!!!!!!!!

    by ludmir88

    we lost harry ... forever R.I.P.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    SORRY FOLKS: Saw it. Loved it

    by versatol

    Sorry folks but it ain't half bad. Sure was more entertaining than SM3. Though it needs work, the flick is visually incredible. You just gotta get over the fact that the FF are not the X-Men. Most of the bashers on this site never picked up one of those old raggedy silver-age FF comics because IF YOU HAD, you would totally get this film. I didn't waste a dime and I'm seeing it again.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Harry - Dead On!

    by Reignofjerm

    His review was dead on, the movie had it's problems, but it was a lot of fun. I had really low expectations for this movie, because I didn't really like the first one, but it surprised me. Stop looking for a literal translation from page to screen, it's never going to happen. The cloud looked cool, and there are little nods that Galactus does have a human form (you can see his helmet's shadow over Saturn). For the movie it worked. Just because you read a comic decades ago and it made you wet the bed doesn't mean that we need to see the same exact thing on the screen. It's like everyone hates on movies because "it isn't how it happened in my comic book". It's like Wow!!! are we that bored? No one expected this to be "The English Patient", so why can't it just be mindless fun?

  • June 15, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Nice storyline, Vadakin

    by Mr Incredible

    Too bad they didn't use yours instead of the incredible garbage released upon us.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I have the power cosmic

    by Abominable Snowcone

    in my pants, and I would gladly unleash it upon Sue Richards.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    The Galacta-cloud Was Actually Cool

    by versatol

    Oh, and I'm so glad Tim Story and WETA didn't listen to the idiots that wanted a giant man in a purple pope's hat to descend from the sky like Jesus because that would have just looked horrible. You forget that 90% of the movie-going audience had never read the comic and would find that utterly ridiculous. The cloud worked. Movie rocked

  • June 15, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I didn't say GALACTUS wasn't named in the film...

    by HEADGEEK

    But the CLOUD was not referred to as being Galactus. That the Surfer says Galactus - is cool. That Galactus isn't shown... bit of an ass thing. BUT - survivable.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    GurzEon, you've been on this talkback for like 12 hours

    by versatol

    Quite a bit of effort for a movie you don't want to see, isn't it? Are you secretly Memflix or something?

  • June 15, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Galactus is Coming!

    by Punch Man

    Get the mop

  • June 15, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Mr Incredible

    by Vadakin

    Thanks for the feedback. <p> I do think Galactus would be difficult to pull off but it is possible, in fact I have an idea of how to do it. <p> Istead of using either the cloud or the physical giant, you do both. Galactus descends over New York as the cloud, but whenever he is going to interact with the Four or the Surfer, the particles come together into the shape of the Galactus we all know and then return to full cloud form when he leaves the planet at the end....something like that could have worked.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Sentinels

    by oisin5199

    Here's the thing about the Sentinels. No one says they had to go with the classic giant robot look. The Sentinels have had so many iterations that you could have easily done some version of mutant-hunting machine without going the giant robot route. Possibly, the Bastion versions. Or the supercreepy Grant Morrison versions, where they're more insect-like. There were humans who turned into Sentinels, though the danger there is making them too Terminator-esque. But there could have easily been a badass, credible threat to mutants everywhere that would have allowed for some great fights and XMen/Brotherhood teamups. But Ratner, the screenwriters and Fox had little to no imagination. Though to be fair, it would have been great if Sentinels had been set up in X2 with Stryker and paid off in X3. The Cure was a good idea in itself (the one decent idea in the script, and that one they stole from Joss), but the only scene where that hit home was the one with Beast and Leech. Otherwise, it was a wasted opportunity and any impact it had was completely reversed by that stupid ending. Oh, and this has no bearing on how much FF:RSS will suck or not suck.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    CLANCY BROWN was laughing pretty hard...

    by JustinSane

    ...so I guess it was okay.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Uh Harry

    by Vadakin

    "Now… Why am I not raging furious about the “giant cosmic tornado”? <p> Well, because nobody ever refers to it as Galactus" <p> This is from your review...are you suggesting that the Surfer was talking about a different destroyer of worlds? <p> Because it's made clear that the Surfer serves that cloud thing...and the Surfer says that cloud thing is Galactus. <p> Seriously Harry...surely you're not saying that the Surfer has two masters who both happen to eat planets and both use him as a herald...one of them being Galactus and the other being "Random Cloud Monster #2". <p> I'm sorry, but Galactus is referred to, and it is made clear that Cloudicus is supposed to be a version of Galactus. What more do you want? A bumber sticker on Galactus' cloudy head saying "I AM GALACTUS" ???

  • June 15, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    So, did this review pay your wedding cake?

    by dtpena

    or was it the "I love HD-DVD" column you publish every week?

  • June 15, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles--Rise of the corporate shill

    by Gessner

    Yup, it true!! Harry has ruined whatever credibility he had, yes, I said had, with the geek community, perhaps he should change his username to headplant??? After reading his review of this turd, you could say that Harry has chosen to sell out, and here is why........

  • June 15, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    why do i have a feeling...

    by thekylegassproject

    that this flick is going to "tonally" suck shit. and i usually really like you're reviews harry. tisk, tisk BUT...i should see it before passing judgement. it's just...i feel like this is a franchise that would have been better off by scrapping EVERYTHING from the first film (actors, production design, everything)and start anew. the trailers for this flick has been triggering my gag reflex so badly from memories of the first film that i don't know if i will be able to make it through this.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    GurzEon

    by gride9000

    See the thing about Harry, his opinion is his own. He isn't a produact of his environment, his environment is a product of him. And your opinions are just a bitter and angry rejection of his. My opinion like harry's, is my own. Right now, from reading previous reviews, i know Harry is a centimental, obvious geek who loves alot of stuff that I think sucks. Like this movie will (or he could be right, wouldn't that be nice) brought to you by Carl's Jr.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    I think Harry enjoyed this movie so much

    by Drewchem08

    because he kept dreaming that the guy dressed like the Surfer really was holding giant candy bar. MMM...giant candy bar.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Harry's reviews from the heart

    by gride9000

    theres no payola, one can't ever risk reputation in journalism. Belive what you want. I think Harry just has shitty taste sometime. Harry the whole first film was one of the most contrived this I've ever seen.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Okay how much did they pay you? Seriously

    by Orionsangels

    It's like some of these critics watch a movie and try to reason out in their heads a reason as to why they're gonna like a movie. Oh that's not so bad. Hey that's a pretty good scene. You know what, I think i'm gonna shock everyone at AICN and say I like this movie. It'll be fun to coming up with ways to defend it.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    So so so very wrong

    by mattibo

    I am utterly shocked by Harry's review. I have just got back from seeing this and he couldn't be more wrong. It is quite simply abysmal from its opening bullshit to its lacklustre climax. Completely devoid of character and substance, it is so simple and stripped down that a four year old would feel cheated by it. Please avoid like the plague and don't give anymore money to Fox. I wish I could have mine back. Only see if already lobotimised.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    ....

    by Crazy_Ralph_07

    Okay, so I'm new here. What I've gathered in reading the "Talkbacks" in the last two weeks is that if the majority belive that a movie is shit (Even without seeing it yet); It's shit. If you like a movie that the majority is against, you're a plant or a person who shouldn't have an opinon to begin with. I've followed this 'Memflix' thing since it's started. Many have proven to where he's not as innocent as believed, and yet the majority still chooses to ignore the facts, sympthaize with Mem (No disrespect for Memflix, BTW) and judge a movie regardless. I guess a lot of you people will hate me, since I choose to have my own opinon (Hey, I enjoy X3, Superman Returns, and even Fantastic Four). So sue me.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Harry, when was the last time

    by skimn

    you had viewed a movie outside of the party atmosphere of the Drafthouse? I'm not saying your going to automatically give a bad movie a good review, but when you sitting in the middle of a group full of costumed, hopped up revelers, how can it not color your opinion? You've "had a blast" at a lot of mediocre-at-best movies like this one, the infamous Hostel 2, Snakes On A Plane, etc.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Sellout?

    by Vadakin

    People have been calling Harry a sell-out since the whole Superman/Abrams things a few years back. <p> But while there is evidence to suggest that he may be a studio stooge (and evidence to the contrary as well...not trying to get banned here)but honestly, I don't think that's the case. <p> I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt...yes, AICN has become more mainstream and a tool for studios to promote their films through talkbacks (what we like to call PLANTS) but I don't think that influence stretches to the staff. Yes, they do remove spy pics when asked, but so do all of the mainstream movie sites. <p> I don't rate Harry as a reviewer (sorry Harry, your style just doesn't sit well with me) but I don't think he's a movie stooge or a sell-out. I just think that for the most part, his own tastes don't align with everyone elses...in fact apart from X-Men 3, I can't remember a bad review from him in the last few years, but that's not because he's a sellout, I just think he's a geek who loves movies no matter how good are bad they are. <p> That's not a bad thing in itself, but as a movie reviewer, it doesn't help...I think Harry should take a back seat, run the site but don't review...it's not about credibility, it's about personal taste, and whereas harry tends to love every movie he sees, other reviewers on the site seem more capable of providing more balanced and objective reviews. <p> I'm not flaming you Harry, I don't think your a sell-out or anything like that, I just think your uber-love for pretty much every movie ever made isn't what people expect or want from a critic.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Harry's always liked "fun" shit like this...

    by Anti-fanboy

    Doesn't matter the studio. Doesn't make him a sell-out. This isn't the review of a shill. This review, despite the title, is pretty damn tepid if you ask me.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    no one mentions galactus???

    by gunslinger7000

    Harry did you even see this movie? The surfer clearly refers to him as Galactus. It's very weird you would say that in your review.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Eli Roth to direct Memflix: The Movie PG-13

    by Cillit BANG

    Nick Frost to play Memflix.

  • June 15, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    aggy and silly and retarded is the new cool.

    by gride9000

    this is the best thing ever, I've found my new myspace quote. I really think that's what harry's going for.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Harry? Kill yourself.a\

    by IndustryKiller!

    Harry answer me this. How does it feel to be so utterly detrimental to something you claim to love so much? You used to run a website and a small zeitgeist that actually had potential impact on the sad sad state of film in the world. Now you pissed it all away with stentorian support of one god awful money making scheme that Hollywood dares to call movies after the next. Of course you don't have the self reference to actually acknowledge any of this. You'll come up with some bullshit excuse but deep down you know exactly what you are. You make me sick.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Harry says,

    by Simpsonian

    "Memflix's review was an accurate portrayal of the events, I just disagree with his opinion." So in other words it was a piece of shit; Harry just likes the taste of shit.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Calling Harry sell out is giving him WAY too much credi

    by IndustryKiller!

    To sell out would mean he is actually getting something in return for his asinine opinions. Nope he's just a good old fashion moron. A moron with no regard whatsoever for quality or taste.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I have hope....

    by ElfinJam

    ...that this might not be an awful experience (unlike the first movie)Harry you said one thing I really relate to - always liked the FF better than the XMen - they were the embodiment of Silver Age Marvel. The only thing I think they got right in the first film was the interaction between Johnny and Ben. That was spot on even if they couldnt even get the eyebrow right on the Thing, among other things. The original FF from the 60's could be enjoyed by the whole family - it was exciting, interesting, full of action and amazement, with only occasional flashes of angst (This Man, This Monster) and darkness. If they get close to that, doesn't have to be perfect, I will be satisfied.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    hello

    by El Borak

    i like the new batsuit. penis.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    how to fix dr. doom...

    by Bruno Diaz

    cast max von sydow, or a younger version of him, and make sure he speaks with a THICK LATVIRIAN ACCENT. other than that, surprisingly i liked the first fantastic four movie and am looking forward to this one. the critics just don't get it. the last one had a lot of problems but it did successfully capture much of the spirit of the '60's version of the book.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    The FF Did Stuff Like Switch Powers All The Time...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ..or lose powers and regain them, etc. The Super Skrull is an okay character but you've got the whole Skrull thing to deal with and maybe there are better invaders to focus on...I'm thinking FF in the Negative Zone and Negative Zone monsters Annihilus and Blaastar on Earth.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Harry, you saw Galactus' shadow, didn't you?

    by Zartan

    The shadow of his helmet appears over a planet as he approaches and the silhouette of his helmet is there when Surfer flies to combat him. I envisioned Galactus within the storm cloud. I also liked them focusing on the moon in the beginning as if the Surfer was being "watched". It totally gave fanboys the freedom to assume Uuatu was watching without having to commit to a giant bald guy in a toga which would be hard to pull off. The couldn't even pull off Sue's "blue eyes".

  • June 15, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    OH FUCK ME WITH A CACKTUS AND CALL ME HAROLD..

    by greigy just wanted to say

    IF HARRY LIKED THIS CHALK IT UP TO HIS HAPPY HAPPY EUPHORIC STATE DUE TO HIS FORTH COMING YOU KNOW WHAT..... He'll need a mighty kick to get his mojo back... This studio friendly "Toyatic" souless cash cow is directed by a talentless hack who'll nod his head obediently at every studio note. If film IS an art form then Christopher Nolan and Bryan Singer are artists, genuine artists... Tim Story and Brett Ratner are hacks, not without ability but bland workman like YES MEN.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    The big purple guy is not a big deal

    by DeusExMachina

    So what if Galactus is not seen in all his big purple helmet glory. Besides, if you know anything about Galactus you'll know that is not his true form anyway. He has been described in the past as a force of nature and when in the presence of other cosmic beings like Infinity or Eternity, he's all light with only the outline of a man so that you can see him.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    FF2, Saw It. FF2 That Is.

    by Roboteer

    Which is more than can be said for most of you yahoos. The good about FF2.... very true to the characters circa the 70's. Reed's the smartest man on the planet and doesn't get all the condecension he got in FF1. He shows much more confidence and gets more respect. Sue assumes more of her original role, which was mother hen to the group and also 'damsel in distress', which often brought them together to save her. She is much more domestic and less cerebral, w/o making her a dumb blonde or pushover. Gone is that nasty attitude women can get, usually well after the honeymoon, as Queen of Perpetual Disappointment. Ben IS the Thing. You get the impression he wouldn't change if he could. He's comfortable in his skin, er rocks. Thanks to Alicia. Not a whole lot for him to do in this installment. And Johnny, well, he's still Johnny, but gets a lesson, sort of, in life and teamwork. At least this time the FF are allowed to be the FF. Half of them are still miscast, but it's a big improvement. The same is true of Doom. He'll never be the Latverian tyrant we've all grown to love, but he is increasingly more malevalent and power-mad here. So, though still not great, a definite improvement. What is great is the silver guy. He shines, so to speak. Just very, very cool and well executed. The humor though lame here and there, makes it fun and obvious, if ya hadn't figgered it out, this doesn't take itself too seriously. And while nothing more than popcorn fare with Story at the helm, there are a few moments with heart. Given his limited talents, this is probably all we can expect from Timmmmaaaaayy. Halfway decent SPFX that sometimes kick ass. If some of the cynicism and snarkiness is left home, I think the entertainment value for newbies and fanboys alike is a solid 'B.' At least the short run time and rapid transitions don't give one much time to dwell on mistakes. The bad... there's at least half a dozen developements that don't make a lick of sense. Ya kinda just go, "HUH?" and try to roll with it. At least the movie races past them quicky and doesn't spend half the time trying to explain them. A couple of shortcuts and conventions tossed to the wind that defy logic. The worst being the ending, which is a serious flaw. I mean visually, it wasn't bad, but storywise, it was like, well, time to end this movie. Click. On the "say-my-name, say-my-name" Galactus front, they do. As clouds go, this is one mf'en cloud, but damned if I could make any form or shape out of it or in it. So yeah, he's just a cumulo nimbus with attitude. Sooo... there's lots for the haters to pick apart as well as critics expecting anything like Peter Parker or Hulk gravitas. It's market is clearly young, but it at least won't fatally insult an adult's intelligence. Not as good as SM3, but a whole lot better than PIRATES3 and FF1. As much as I loathed FF1, FF2 was tolerable and a good place to pass 90 minutes. FF3 needs some new creative blood, more talent behind the camera, a little more serious attitude, but it does not need an entire reboot as I thought before seeing FF2. I hope it does well. Reviews are pretty cold, but I think word-of-mouth could be, well, fantastic. It can squeeze almost twice as many showings per screen as P3. We'll see how well that works for them. BTW, still waiting to get the 3 hours back I lost with Depp & Co..... And this stupid projectionist, let it go. Of all the inane things one can read here, this one takes the cake. Studios find it harder and harder to keep any kind of lid on their projects. They butter up, bribe, cajole, and threaten reviewers to at least hold their fire until the premiere. But it's a continual battle. Milions and millions of dollars are at stake. Stupid projectionist's crime was not just criticising his livliehood to thousands of customers, but scooping the rest of the world with it. They might not be able to fire Ebert and Roeper, but they can s**t-can a hundred chumps like stupid projectionist. They did the right thing, no matter what side his 'review' took. That's his offense. He got to be big man for a few hours with an exclusive. If he had waited two days, likely no big deal. Well, byeyuh. Goodbye and good luck, but he'll never work in this town again..... The 12 year old haters in the crowd often make these forums seem dedicated to eradicating popular culture/films instead of appreciating them. Looking up at the 'marquee' today, I couldn't help thinking how cool it was to see SPIDEY3 and FF2 playing at the same time. I think Jack would have been proud to see characters he co-created still be so loved and admired. RIP King. Excelsior!

  • June 15, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    "credibility cries" and general idiocy

    by crankyoldguy

    Harry enjoyed the film overall. So did Namorita and others. Oooh...now they're not credible to you. Boo-hoo. Idiots. You're mad because someone liked something you don't or don't expect to like? Welcome to the real world, where people thought "Titanic" was good (hah! One of the worst films to ever win an Oscar or was that the piss-boring "American Beauty.") A world where many think Beyonce is a great talent. Me, I didn't like part of of Spider-Man 3 (esp. the musical stuff, ugh!) but didn't hate it. And I loved much of Pirates 3. ( I also loved the make you stay for credits endings, so there). it seems I have no "crediblity" aka "worth" among the Talkback elite gathering of the expletive-slingers. And I'm so sad about that....oh, mopey me. And as for those who feel so betrayed by AICN, etc, well, Just don't see FF2. That's your bloody 'boycott.' Have fun. Now I do feel bad for "Memflix," but play the secret post/review game at the risk of your job and sooner or later you'll be found out or at least there's always that possibility. Today, I'm taking my boy, almost 5, as a early father's day thing. I don't expect Doom to be DOOM, Story and Company obviously don't get Doom at all. He's King Lear/Ming/ and more. But Johnny/Ben horseplay, Sue-Reed bickering - THAT'S the FF, even among planetary extinction. Being shy of 50, I LOVED the Silver Age FF (and then finally, Byrne's run). No Purple Galactus? Oh well. Yeah, the Animated FF in 90s got a lot right, except that cheezy theme song, which I sing with my son anyway. Be thankful they didn't do Ultimate FF which lacks any of the charm or fun of Ultimate Spider-Man. And by the way, that upcoming "Transformers?" Looks like prime stupidity to me. I never got the the popularity of it much. Yeah, kids love transforming toys, fine. But there's NO heart there. None. For this post, I expect to get slammed, flamed, and attacked here left, right, up and down and sideways, so slam away, children. It's only a website. At least, for some of us.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Vast Improvement

    by darquelyte

    Not perfect, but whereas the first FF was in the bottom tier like Elektra and Ghost Rider, this one was actually more in the second tier of Superhero movies. I thought mcMahon did fine. I'm not a regular viewer of Nip Tuck, but I've seen it and he's fine there too, and he was good in Profiler. The movie was lacking a little, but still was leaps and bounds ahead of the first one. Much more true to the FF I remember reading off and on as a kid.

  • June 15, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Well said, crankyoldguy

    by ElfinJam

    I don't agree with everything you said but overall you are dead on target. Thanks for putting it in perspective...

  • June 15, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    jeeeeezus

    by Admiral Kirk

    There's alot of talkbacks for this. Anyway- flames on optimus= one of the most fucking amazing movie posters in the history of cinema I suppose. Except for the charismaless guy at optimus' feet. Who needs men in tights when you have giant superhero robots reeking havok

  • June 15, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Re:Ant

    by Punch Man

    Maybe. Yes. an unfunny comic who won LCS the first time around.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    WOW-The child hating bile is scary on this site

    by warpspasm

    for a 90 minute kids flick. sad bastards....

  • June 15, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Warpspasm

    by Punch Man

    Don't you get it? Comic books are not supposed to be fun anymore. Fun is for kids.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Reeking?

    by Roboteer

    Well maybe, but ain't it 'wrecking havoc'? That's okay, they grade on a curve, thank goodness.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Cool...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    See... here's where Harry shows us he ain't just about the torture and the gore. <p> The easy thing to do would be to slag this film off like everybody else; but Harry goes the other way and endorses it. I'm a bit surprised, but it sounds like Harry is, too. <p> Summer movies are supposed to be spetacle. Fun. Excitement. Thrills. All that stuff. Whatever you want to call them, you're supposed judge 'em by your gut reaction. Thinking too much can sometimes ruin the experience. Seriously, when's the last time you had an orgasm; and broke it down second by second to decipher exactly how much you enjoyed it? Even if it's a duller one... damn, you were *still* having sex (hopefully with a big-breasted partner)...<p> Anyway... summer movies are about adrenaline. If FF2 provides the boost for you, so be it. If one of the three-quels gives you the rush so be it. Heck, some people are even enjoying Hostel 2... so be it.<p> Within the span of a week, two reviews from Harry have reminded me what summer movie season... no, make that Summer Movie Season, is all about. It's meant to be like a really good backyard party... or beach party... or whatever kind of party. Everybody's welcome. Come on in and have a good time, pick your favorite poison and drink your fill. You have whatever you like, we'll have whatever we like, and everybody have a good time. Yeah, not everybody is drinking the same thing; but most people are just really glad to be having a little bit of fun.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Franklin T Marmoset

    by Tripman5000

    Are you suggesting that someone being"on hunger strike to force the English out of is country"is heroic? Defending the IRA,terrorist scum,who slaughtered thousands of innocent people?Disgusting!

  • June 15, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    as I knew....attacked, flamed, etc.

    by crankyoldguy

    oooh...I'm old. As in not 12 or 14? And, yeah, "American Beauty" was sooo deep.: A pretentious mid-life crisis gone deep end suicidal. Depressing tales and endings as such always mean the pinnacle of film and intellectual thought. Sure. Ugh. Want to learn? Go watch "Sullivan's Travels."

  • June 15, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    @Roboteer...it's "wreaking."

    by themikejonas

    And there's no way anyone's going to drag me to the theater to see this sorry pile.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I forgot to water my PLANT today....

    by Forestal

    Oops...

  • June 15, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    SAW IT LIKED IT, HATERS BITE ME!!!

    by Playkins

    Harry's review is pretty much dead-on, ecpet that Alicia didn't bother me at all. You (CLEARLY, Iv I REPEAT, CLEARLY) see the form of Galactus in the clouds. I suspect that they are saving his "Purple Giant" form for a reveal in the inevitable "Silver Surfer" movie. For the record, I'm not sure what more you could expect from a FF movie, with the possible exception of a different lead for Sue pr making it a "period" piece that is full of wierd Kirby-esque 60's machinery. Tim Story isn't as competent a director as they could have gotten, but he certainly did a fine job on this. And a big "fuck you" proactively to anyone that calls me a plant.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    FF42 is Better then Spiderman3

    by milak83

    I love how people on the Talkback get pissed and cry about something they haven't seen yet. Like a bunch of Manbabies. And they call themselves Moviegoers. HA!

  • June 15, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    just saw it

    by waggy

    And i have to say i mostly agree with Harry. It's not the FF movie we all dream about, but it's a pretty entertaining way to kill an afternoon, and a vast improvement on the first. The Silver Surfer rocks, and the Four were all handled pretty well (particularly Johnny). There's still a lot of goofy kiddie humor, and Dr Doom is still one of the worst fucking translations of a comic book villain ever, but i must say that i left the theater in a better mood than i did leaving Spider-man 3.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    poeticwarriorII

    by Playkins

    Sure- because it's not the least bit likely that he actually enjoyed it, right?

  • June 15, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Poeticwarrior likes penis

    by milak83

    Some people say you look like shit too. But what do i know? I haven't seen that assface yet.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Out of curiousity...

    by kyle051554

    ...what was the last big-budget movie that Harry actually wrote a negative review of? I can't remember.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Harry's rating system

    by Drexl Spivey

    I only take Harry's recommendations seriously when he gives them his "cum fountain at the bellagio" ass rating (see Curse of the Golden Flower).

  • June 15, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    FF2 sucks surfer's nads.Period.

    by SpencerTrilby

    Never witnessed so much lameness in 90 minutes. Kudos to Tim Story...again.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    delete all the posts harry

    by jonboy83

    i have it all right here.... harry sucks, harry is a sellout, harry got paid, i dont trust harry anyways because he liked van helsing, at least this wasnt as bad as his blade 2 review, and harry talks too much without reviewing. and my own personal point is: the movie looks like shit but i think rating it PG might net it an extra 10 or so milion and thats all that matters anyways.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    jonboy83 and spencertrilby look like shit...

    by milak83

    smell like shit...

  • June 15, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    poeticwarrior has Emo manboobs

    by milak83

    Spit that sperm out of your mouth so i can understand you better. Your as poetic as Clint Eastwoods Saggy Nutsac.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    poeticwarriorII

    by Playkins

    Wow, way to prove you manliness there, bud. And don't you you think spelling "stupid" s-t-o-o-p-i-d is just a little on the "short bus" side?

  • June 15, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    ROTSS ROCKED - EAT A D!CK UP HATERS

    by versatol

    For those who have the silver nads to break away from the "I hate FF:ROTSS before I've seen it and love to talk about how I hate a movie I haven't seen" clubhouse, go see it. I expected this movie to totally blow King Kong dong but was pleasantly surprised. It was fun and I'm going back tomorrow.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Harry, your opinion doesn't affect anyone's plans

    by ScamsAndFlams

    Does that bother you? That your opinion of films doesn't sway people to or from seeing them? Cause, this is a positive review that actually makes me want to see the film less than I already did('nt).<br><br>Seriously what is the point of movie reviews if they have no bearing on anyone? This certainly isn't artistic criticism so don't play that card.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Spot On, Harry!

    by topaz4206

    As a 5+ year member of this site, you have led me to many bad movies, but this wasn't one of them. I had a great time

  • June 15, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I wonder how this movie plays who dont consider F4...

    by Cotton McKnight

    their favorite comic book series ever. You know, everyone else in the known universe besides Harry?

  • June 15, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Wow! Harry and Mori

    by Right Bastard

    I don't think I've ever seen either of you respond this much to a TB in a long time. It's about damn time. I actually enjoyed the first FF, because I had very little emotional investment in the comic, and it was simply a dumb-fun film (a genre I normally detest, but i thought they made it work). We're I a stickler, I'd be mad about the Dr. Doom thing, but I simply didn't grow up reading these books (I'll be more critical of Iron Man, Wolverine, or a Silver Surfer solo venture). I am excited to see this movie, and from harry's review, am not expecting anything more or less from the first one. I am waiting for chud Devin's review. As someone mentioned above, he was one of the few voices in the wind who enjoyed the first FF (over Batman no less!). [[btw, i bag on harry occasionally, but for those who venomously hate his reviews...who is forcing you to read them???]]

  • June 15, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Harry! You're killing me!

    by The Cabin Boy

    Seriously man, you have to sit down with this movie when it comes out on DVD, or see it in a multi-plex and then tell me this isn't a laughable atrocity! There wasn't even one cool action set piece with the F4 team working together. That London scene was ridiculously lame! The unreasonably difficult military garbage? Please... Where was the adventure in this movie? Lame one-liners between Storm and (Mini-)Thing aimed for 9 year olds does not a relationship make. I'm sorry Harry, I can usually let your fun Drafthouse experiences skew your view and be fine with it like with SOAP or something but if you really have a love for the art of motion pictures you must realize that this movie is a steamer.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE SUCKED BALLS

    by Derek Wildstarr

    i saw a 9:30am screening at century city and about 12 people walked out. the production value and cgi was up to par but the writing and dialogue were for 7 year olds.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    See FF2 DVD at the library for free

    by filmfanatic1

    I really hate lukewarm reviews, especially when you have to decide whether 10 bucks is worth it; I can wait a year or so for my public library to get the DVD FOR FREE so that, like the first FF, I won't waste my money on something that will probably break my heart again.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    hey all im sayin is

    by jonboy83

    go see the movie if you want to waste 2 hours of your life. i havent seen any of the crap thats come out this summer except 28 weeks later and that was a lot worse than the first one. i think i saw 10 minutes of a pirated version of spiderman3 and i could tell it was awful. pirates 3 was just a continuous loop (ala speed 1) of jack sparrow stumbling and sexy tompole bean girl saying something corny. go see your piece of shit movie and stop wasting your time on here.

  • June 15, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    NEWSFLASH

    by Punch Man

    The movie is made for kids, not middle aged comic geeks.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Some good, some BAAADDD!!

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Just got back from a matinee showing with my son, $12 for both of us, suck me Rothman! My 6yo son loved this movie with every fiber of his being, and perhaps it's best if that's how this movie is viewed, from that perspective, because my adult geek nature is royally pissed at a lot of what they did in this movie, but there is some kiddy level goodness that I enjoyed.<p> The Surfer rocks (until the end), Ben and Johnny are awesome yet again, Reed is passable. My son is speechless. That's all the "good" stuff I can stomach saying as my rant pendeth.<p> Onto the bad, much of it comes down to bad casting. Julian McMahon makes a great plastic surgeon but a horrible Doom, Alicia blows, and Jessica Alba is absolutely ridiculous as invisible white woman with poster paint blue eyeballs. All of the above is forgiveable if not for the resolution of this sorry tale. **SPOILERS BEYOND**<p> See the solution to stopping Galactus is for the Silver Surfer to fly up into the cloud and suck all of his energy and then turn it back on him, and the Surfer doesn't even get killed. SWEET right? Wrong! So the Surfer kills Galactus after he lets Galactus murder (at least) 8 other life bearing planets? You have had the power to kill Galactus since you received the Power Cosmic, but instead you participated in the holocaust of (at least) 8 entire worlds? WTF kind of writing is that? I knew we weren't going to get a long backstory on the Ultimate Nullifier, but this resolution is retarded beyond belief. So lazy, totally lacking in imagination. LAME LAME LAME!<p> On not showing the big, purple guy (who they did NAME in the movie for fuck's sake). I can understand there being difficulty in having Galactus drop out of the sky and land on Earth and making it look convincing, I totally get that. But at the very end, within an enitirely CGI created scene with dust and debris floating about and no reference to reality (such as buildings and such) and no reference for scale, there is absolutely no reason Galactus could not have been shown in bodily form. Hell, how about just his fucking face with the Surfer floating in front of it? Just an absolutely stupid, idiotic choice.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Ultimate Universe Galactus

    by Norm3

    I see that Story used a version of the Ultimate Galactus for the movie. Thats exactly why I hate this revisionist Ultimate Universe it gives these directors & Marvel the easy way out. Stop being embarrassed by your characters! I FEEL CHEATED!

  • June 15, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    NEWSFLASH PUNCH MAN

    by Derek Wildstarr

    The Incredibles was also made for kids but was intelligently written and was enjoyable for adults. You CAN have your cake and eat it too. Unless the cake is called FF2.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Kerry Washington...

    by HueyFreeman

    ...considering her facial expressions and movement in the first movie, you'd think she was playing a mentally retarded person.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Stop defending the changes!

    by Norm3

    It cracks me up how people are so willing to defend change for the sake of the studio & the general audience. Screw them I want to see whats advertised not an alteration of it!

  • June 15, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Wow, I may actually see this now

    by quadrupletree

    I wasn't even going to rent this after the last sack-of-crap FF movie...

  • June 15, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    You know for a "young" reviewer Memflix

    by mr dark

    has got his shit together.. Read his latest review of "The Importance of being Russell" and his take on the Memphis film scene. Harry you could take some lessons from this "young" 29 year old reviewer and father. He actually reviews the films and guess what.. He has some serious credibility now..

  • June 15, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    "Next Up: Fantastic Four 3: Rise of the Space Cloud!"

    by Kragmose

    "Now with over-crowding and red 'evil' suits for our heroes!"

  • June 15, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    This movie made my 4 year old cry

    by McKrakalaka

    I liked the first film. I LOATHED this one. This film is worse than League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. It was painful. 1 hour of boring senseless boring dialogue. 30 minutes of mediocre action. My 3 1/2 yr old son was in pain, "Im Bored DAD!" But I told him to hold on, and as soon as he realized Galactus was coming - he got very excited. He is really into giants and tiny creatures - He loves Ant Bully, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, the original Kong, and we watched the original Incredible Shrnking Man last week and he LOVED it. He plays with my Marvel Legends Galactus all the time - so he is very familiar with him. When Galactus does finaly show up - my son just got angry - "That's not Galactus" - I had to keep shhhushing him and telling him that maybe galactus was inside that big cloud. Walking out he started to cry, much to my surprise - and he said "Dad, Galactus is NOT a CLOUD!" Ive seen my son get upset, but never dissapointed by a movie - this will always be a moment in history he remembers - his first film that totally and utterly dissapointed him. Its really my fault for letting him get pumped up for this film (He even wore his Human Torch costume to the theatre!) As a long time 33 year old Marvel fanboy, I was simply amazed at how bad this film was - Id heard the criticisms, but ignored them - I was bored to death - the fun, the action, its all gone. The Surfer looks amazing. The rest of the CGI looks farmed out and pretty craptastic - especially the fight with flying doom. Its probably stupid to nitpick plotholes in a movie with flying flaming people - but this plot was simply DUMB. Doom's armor magiacally appears in the surfboard room! Surfer could have saved his world anytime, all he had to do was surf through a cloud and open his arms. In fact the movies ending takes the surfer and turns him into the biggest cosmic serial killer ever.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    It was O-K

    by JamieCOTC95

    I went in with the expectation that this movie was going to suck harder than, well, use your imaginations, and w/ those lowered expectations I enjoyed the film ... for the most part. I liked the family structure and squabbling, but his Doc Doom blows ... hard. Silver Surfer was the best part of the movie ... except maybe for Stan Lee's (best ever) cameo.

  • June 15, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    I Really Didn't Want to See This...

    by grungies

    But I'm wondering if what Harry says is true and this is at least marginally entertaining.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Dodge logo on the Fantasticar= FF Gotta Eat!!

    by krabklaw

    Hey they gotta pay for that fancy new HQ of theirs somehow, right?

  • June 15, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I'm in the hollywood Reporter in that article!

    by BadMrWonka

    SO indirectly...I'm the guy that offered Memflix the Mexico gig, although I still haven't heard from him. say hey, brother!

  • June 15, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU ROTHMAN!!!!!!!!!

    by Doc_Strange

    Dude, this fucker needs to be fired already.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Strange phenomenon...

    by BiggieKaiju

    Some movies are forgettable; a few hours after you leave the theatre, it's all gone. "Ghost Rider" is a perfect example. All I remember is the Rider pulling down a helicopter with his chain and... um, that's it. But this was the first movie where I was forgetting it as I was actually watching it! It could be chalked up to two things; 1) Short-term memory loss from too much doobage. 2) The movie sucked so bad I was trying to block the images and sounds from my mind without snapping and actually walking out. I just got out of a showing about an hour ago, and all I can recall to add my two cents is that the Surfer was one cool cat who deserves a movie of his own, the Mr. Fantastic stretching CGI sucks worse than a hooker with no lips, and someone should've told the makeup lady Sue Storm's EYES are blue, not her EYELIDS. Speaking of Sue Storm, I think a heads-up to fellow talkbackers is needed in regards to Jessica Alba's remarkable ability to simultaneously induce boners and bleeding ears with her beautiful face and wince-inducing line readings. I guess that's all I can bring up now. I also seem to recall vaguely that I thought that unlike the first film, this time it felt like they didn't let the chimpanzee smoke crack before he wrote it. I guess that's an improvement.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    TOA = Turd On Arrival. Wow Harry, You really liked it?

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Seriously. I am not going to see this movie so in fairness I won't be able to say for fact that this movie is shit. However considering it's the SAME team of people who made the 1st FF which was shit I am going to go with my gut on this and the fact that almost every single critic including one of your own on this site have said that the movie is total shit. Hard to believe that you really like this film but you are also the same guy who loves Eli Roth's work so I can't be that surprised. Nor will I bash you and call you a shill like some of the other douchebags who come to these TB's because I don't believe that for a second. I think you are a stand up guy who makes mistakes like everyone else but I will never call you a sell out.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    poeticwarriorII: DEVELOP A SENSE OF IRONY, DOUCHEBAG!

    by Playkins

    Yes, I know it was intentional you vile, ripe piece of dogshit. I guess Junior High must be out of session, because you're back spewing your ignorant tripe. I don't give a shit if it's intentional or "kewl" or l33t or whatever dipshitty, slang lazy way to type. When you're trying to point out the intellectual shortcomings of someone else, it's a good idea to show a command of the Queen's English. Oh, wait- do you KNOW what irony means, or have they gotten to that in remedial english class yet?

  • June 15, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    I kind of agree about the nephew/girlfriend thing

    by wackedfuck

    Harry really needs to explain that one better. However, if he means what I think he means this is yet another example of why we need to get our heads out of the gutter. What do I think he means? Well, do any of you guys remember having that innocent, pretend relationship with a girl? You know, you think she's cute, she thinks you're cute, you hold hands, your kisses last for just a second and you're constantly bragging about how you have a girlfriend. Of course, you really don't. You're just both play acting, but you don't know it at the time because you're just kids. There's nothing really sexual about it, you're just both at that stage in life when you start to realize that the opposite sex may not be all that bad. Harry probably knows that and is just humoring his nephew. As for him spending the night, her parents were most likely home and they slept in seperate beds. Of course, that's just a guess. Like I said before, Harry really needs to explain that one better.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    re: frg10

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Yes, Harry *is* big-breasted; but do we have any intel on the criteria of his nipples?... diameter... sensitivity... etc...<p> Moriar... uh Inquiring Minds want to know.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    I don't think anyone would try to buy off Harry...

    by DarthTarter

    All a studio suit would have to do is take one look at the talkbacks under Harry's positive reviews since it appears few seem to like them and even more think he has no credibility. Not to mention AICN is certainly not gonna sway box office.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Biggie Kaiju

    by mr dark

    That made my fuckin day, Thank you Sir

  • June 15, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    poeticwarriorII

    by Playkins

    Wow, now you're striving for higher levels, aren't you. So let me get this straight... YOU are giving ME shit because YOU didn't pick up on MY sarcasm, which you in turn insulted me for. Now you're still trying to insult me with your pathetic sexual fantasies because you still don't get it. And you misspelled "back tracking". It's one word, moron. Yep, I stick with the short-bus remark.

  • June 15, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Kind of agree with Harry for once

    by Volstaff

    While I'm not exactly raving about the film, I will say that it isn't a piece of total ass like the first one. I didn't feel cheated like I did with the first one or with X-3. I liked the fantasticar.I would have loved it if it hadn't been for that close up shot of it with the fucking Dodge logo on the hood. The Silver Surfer saved the movie in my opinion. Galactus wasn't as bad as I thought he'd be. What saved Galactus for me is what saved it for Harry. At the end as the cloud is coming down on the planet you can see behind all the goofy smoke clouds ( storm clouds in spaaaace!) there is a glimpse of some machinery. So maybe they gave themselves an out in case they ever get an even bigger budget and they aren't rushed by Rothman to get it out within a year. God, they need to get rid of the actor who plays Doom. He's ok for cable ( Nip and Tuck was an ok show last time I watched it, urm, 2 years ago) but sucks ass as Doom. they should have kept him defaced and simply hired an actor with some acting chops to play him. Wouldda worked I think. I didn't feel one way or the other about Alicia, which sucks. In the comics it was her character that allowed Ben Grimm to show his human side.If Alicia doesn't work, then Ben doesn't work except as a guy in a lousy rubber suit with painted on rocks. So yeah, once again, another summer comic movie to throw on the "Not great, but not total ass either" pile. Damn that pile is gettin big,too. So far, best summer movie is hands down "Knocked Up".

  • June 15, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    "It Must Be The End Of All That We Know" My Ass

    by JoshDanger

    Harry likes a LOT of shitty movies. He likes many shitty comic book movies, too. Remember his review for the Daredevil movie? That it was "Frank Miller's Daredevil?" Believe me, it is no surprise at all to me that Harry Knowles liked this raging pile of garbage. http://tinyurl.com/338f9c

  • June 15, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Is it just me, or did Chris Evans look like...

    by Batutta

    ...he wanted to fuck Jessica Alba to shreds every time he looked at her. Kind of made the whole brother/sister thing uncomfortable to watch. I guess he's not a good enough actor to hide his true intentions.

  • June 15, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    re: Dodge logo...SPOILER

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Not only is there a Dodge hood ornament on the FantastiCar, the logo is printed on all of the seatbacks. Then in the lamest touch of unbridled commercialism I've ever seen, Torch sees the logo, turns to Reed and asks, "Does it have a Hemi?", "Of course." replies Reed.<p> **cue vomit noises**

  • June 15, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    lol galactus is a cloud

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    whoever found that picture good job.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    SO in other words.

    by Dokkalvar

    Good enough film if they're giving you a free screening and you have two hours to kill, but not good enough to shell out $10.00 Dollars. Thanks for the heads-up! Im'na go spend it on drugs instead! <P> Oh NOez!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE HARRY!?!

  • June 15, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    DareDevil

    by Dokkalvar

    Yeah, Harry can never be forgiven for that review. Honestly, I still feel like I'm owed something for having been suckered into the theater.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    poeticwarriorII:

    by Playkins

    Yes, I consider myself to be quite intellectually superior to you. And believe it or not, the first indication of intelligence is the ability to communicate. So, what do you think your profane diatribes and pathetic grammar convey? You're a complete moron and every subsequent post proves it. It's OK though, people like you make me confident that I'm secure in my job. Remember, it's guys like me that will be bossing you around at your job when you graduate high school in ten years. Well, MAYBE you'll graduate high school. I see continuation school or trade school in your future, follwed by a career in the service industry. You'll certainly never do anything of value with a mouth and a brain like that. Now, go use that pie hole of yours and do something somebody MIGHT enjoy, like giving your mom her afternoon cunnilingus. I think I hear her calling for you.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Batutta-if thats true

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    can we really blame him?

  • June 15, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    lol quote from ign's dead or alive review :

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    The actors are uniformly bad, but how could they be anything else when the story and dialogue are so poorly written? Of the four female leads, Pressley and Valance shine the brightest, with Valance stealing the show by virtue of being the hottest of them all.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    I registered here just to post after I saw the film

    by Spastic Jedi

    Alright. I read this website everyday and today I fianally registered for the boards because of the FF debate. *Spoilers* Ok, the HEMI thing/Dodge Ad - You know, it would have been terrible and shameless if not for the previous scenes where Johnny was wearing the sponsored uniform and talking about being sponsored by an airline (foreshadowing) so they could get their own private jet. IT MADE SENSE! It was actually pretty smart product placement. Talk about getting sponosred, then have a sponsor. Ok, Galactus. Galactus is not a cloud. We never see Galactus. We do see a "shape" in the clouds, if you know the character, you see shapes of his helmet. What we see is the debris from other planets and "stuff" all around Galatcus. Quite frankly, I'm glad we didn't see Galactus - he needs to finally be seen in the Surfer film when they make it. I think it's smart, hate me if you will, but I think it's cool to think that this character who destroys worlds may have a gravitational pull and the debris from all the destoyed worlds surround him. To me it's like in Spiderman 1 where he has organic webs, fanboys screamed, but it makes sense. The movie is a great 3 out of 5. My biggest complaint is that it felt more like a promo for the Surfer movie than a FF movie. The Surfer steals the show, he's f-ing awesome. I read all the reviews here on this site for last couple weeks and Harry's is dead on.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    kamala ok but who the fuck like chill factor

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    at least barbershop was a pretty good hit that was also a pretty good movie. i dont think getting tim story as a director has anyhing to do with being black

  • June 15, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Yes-

    by Playkins

    I'm the master asshat. You're just an asshat. Now you've got it!

  • June 15, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Well, I'll say this...

    by WONKABAR

    all the kids in the theater went nuts for it. Silver Surfer just might be this generation's Boba Fett.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    FF Issue #49

    by Spastic Jedi

    Looks like Galactus is in a cloud, no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gf_49_cover.png

  • June 15, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    poeticwarriorII-lol

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    yea seriously its weird how shitty videogame movies will somehow always get a view from me. i hope dead or alive is a massive bomb for everyone involved.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    This movie was FUN... yes, I said it.

    by versatol

    I had a blast and love that this flick is the first Marvel film of this era that has the balls to deal with the outer-world villians of Marvel. I can see why critics would not dig this shit since the movie wasn't made for those who look for the next "English Patient." It was fun. It's gonna make a ton of money because kids will love it (the theater was wild) and clamor for more enabling another sequel to be made that fanboys can further bitch about. The F4 has been my favorite Marvel team for nearly 20 years and I don't feel cheated or anything. **There Fox. I said it. (In Don Cheadle voice from Ocean's Thirteen) "Pay me my money!!!"

  • June 15, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    The reason Jesse was fired

    by MEMFLIXsFormerBoss

    My name is "Tom" I was Jesse Morrisons former employer and the one and only person responsible for the decision to fire him.Jesse was a projectionist here for two years but had several lapse of judgement that led to his being fired the Silver Surfer review was only the final one.Jesse took advantage of his position here after signing a contract and being warned numerous times not to blog or make public any spoilers or any reviews.This was a direct violation.Fox was aware of his transgression but made no request of the Malco Theatre chain or this particular theatre in Memphis.We recieved a memo from Fox that said what was believed to have happened and requested we renew our vigilance in stopping this.No threat or termination request was made.Mr.Morrisson had been warned by me several weeks prior when I recieved complaints that a screening of Oceans Thirteen had stopped cold halfway through.I made my way to the projection room to find Mr. Morrisson on his knees peeking through the projection window with his pants around his ankles imploring Brad Pitt to "adopt me" while vigorously clutching his genitalia.Mr.Morrisson did two weeks of rehab and was given a second chance.I wish Jesse luck in his future endeavors as I still consider him a friend and only want what is best for him.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Harry - Your animation needs a spoiler box!

    by Womb2dooM

    I haven't seen the movie, but have you given away the ending to Black Snake Moan?!<P>I hope I'm wrong.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    STOP SUCKING STUDIO COCK!

    by Aqua-Mega-Cock-Man

    Fuck, you liked all that from the movie? And you call yourself a "critic"? Pshaw.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    I just saw it, you really liked it?

    by purplemonkeydw

    Meeeehhhhhhh...ok, the surfer was good...ALL of the FF sucked, and I reaaaally like Jessica Alba (more than a friend)...and Doc Doom was horrible (as advertised). Yuck.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    memflixs boss -your probably not even his former boss

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    i can see how he got fired for violating a contract but i have this feeling that theres a "spoiler contract" because fox doesnt want people to know about the cloud thing. there was spoilers all over shh forums before the film was released, everyone there still has a job

  • June 15, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST

    *but i can see*

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    edit button on aicn=rocks

  • June 15, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    if black snake moan ends with sam jackson dead in a....

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    fucking freezer, then i dont wanna see it. sounds really dumb

  • June 15, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell...

    by Womb2dooM

    What gave memflixboss away? Was it the masturbation story or...

  • June 15, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell - BSM

    by Womb2dooM

    Have you seen Hustle & Flow? I don't think Craig Brewer is capable of dumb.

  • June 15, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Did you read all of Memflixsboss' post Cowbell...

    by WONKABAR

    or did you just skim it?

  • June 15, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    because his boss wouldnt come posting here

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    for what sounds like a apology. hes posting it everywhere, and not answering my response (which he would if they were really friends or if he was his boss anyway)

  • June 15, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    lol!- i did not see that part

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    lol and here i was being serious like a retard lol

  • June 15, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    too bad boba fett was barley in the orginal sw's anyway

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    thats why we got kickass jango fett

  • June 15, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell = Memflixs Nipples

    by NachoNegro

    You said it! Please change your name to Retard 4 cant stop the retardedness immediately!

  • June 15, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    supercowbell - mem's boss

    by Womb2dooM

    "on his knees peeking through the projection window with his pants around his ankles imploring Brad Pitt to "adopt me" while vigorously clutching his genitalia." Not his boss. Maybe a troublesome friend but even so, why would you expect/want a reply. It's a harmless, if not irreverent, joke.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell has chosen HDDVD..

    by NachoNegro

    Here's why - because he didn't read all of the blurb on the box, instead making a decision based on the first two lines!

  • June 15, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    THIS YEARS LITTLE MISS SUPERCOWBELL 4!!

    by NachoNegro

    You'd make a lousy Nancy Drew!

  • June 15, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    nacho negro

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    actually im pretty embarassed.ill probably reboot the whole cowbell thing. its getting old thinkin of names when i get banned. cowbell begins sounds good

  • June 15, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Tim Story has CHOSEN BLU-RAY...

    by AlwaysThere

    Yep.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    supercowbell 4's 7000 MySpace Friends....

    by NachoNegro

    ...All read the full article before jumping to conclusions!

  • June 15, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    NachoNegro...

    by Womb2dooM

    You make me laugh. And other confusing emotions...

  • June 15, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    lol i read everything but the oceans 13 parts

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    weirdly enough lmao

  • June 15, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Silver Surfer just might be this generation's Boba Fett

    by Alonzo Mosely

    So he dies lamely?

  • June 15, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Alonzo....you mean like a hobo?

    by WONKABAR

    Btw Boba Fett didn't die, the Marvel-Comic clearly shows him shotting out the Sarlac-Pitt. As far as teh Surfer dying? Let's just say all the kids in the theater were making their way toward the aisle...and then they all sat back down really fast two seats from where they were

  • June 15, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    OH

    by drew mcweeny

    ...

  • June 15, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    MY

    by drew mcweeny

    ...

  • June 15, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    GOD

    by drew mcweeny

    !!!

  • June 15, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Troubled...

    by WONKABAR

    ?

  • June 15, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Harry, My Friend...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I'm going to just assume that you are too busy these days, and that the pressure of programming 4884 free screenings at the Drafthouse in a month and getting married have scrambled your brains to a fine puree. Because, dude... this movie is ass. It is ass on a plate of ass, served with a fine ass sauce, with ass fries on the side and a lovely ass wine to wash it down.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    FANTASTIC FOUR 2: RISE OF THE SILVER SUCK

    by drew mcweeny

    is more like being kicked in the balls than stabbed in the balls. Eventually, the pain will pass.

  • June 15, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    But at least it was a "fine" ass-sauce...

    by WONKABAR

    eh?

  • June 15, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Mr X has chosen to watch the FF:ROTSS : here's why

    by Mr_X

    <p>Watched it, liked the first one, i liked this one better. IT certainly wasn't the shitfest that doomsayer where predicting and yes imho it was better then spidey 3</p> <p> i agree on the most part with harrys review ( even though i didnt on his spidey 3 review.) </p> <p> S P O I L E R S</p> <p> what sucks? 1)reed dancing, the cgi is awful, no reason for that scene whatsoever 2) dr doom, i've had eeough of him already, no more. get another villian 3) jessica albas hiar and contacts, they really are distracting. her hair colourist should be shot. is her blone hair really that iconic? don't women change thier hair colour and colour thier hair differently? ( i forget i'm asking geeks)really a short bob as a brunette would have worked. her contacts are terrible, really should have digitally enhanced them instead. </p> <p> stupid things. 1) they leave the surfer alone in a room, so sue can speka to him 2) doom doesnt care that galatcus is upon them because of the board, really? galactus destroys the earth, where's he gonna go?</p> <p> i wnats bothered about seeing galatus, really its impossible to see hi mon the big screen, think about it, his face would be massive and a human to sclae on that would seem ilke an ant. its a totally stupid thing, so yeah he's a cloud, but it doenst distract from the movie.</p> <p> a lot of money shots were in the trailers. the surfer does a great job. Its a great movie throughly enjoyable as long a s you're not an anal whiny bitch of a fanboy ( and i'm glad i didnt listen to those. do yourself a favour, watch it and enjoy it</p> <p> roll on transformers </p>

  • June 15, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Did the ass-wine not...please you?

    by WONKABAR

    sorry, I couldn't pass that one up

  • June 15, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    i'll have the ass. table for one please

    by Mr_X

    and why Moriarty pray tell, didnt you like it buddy?

  • June 15, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Harry

    by Fernwick_

    How on earth can you say legitimatly, that you " Enjoyed the Hell out of it" and give it 2.5 out of four starz? It sounds to me, like you want to like it, and your trying to keep your geek cred, because later you can look back and say, i ONLY gave it 2.5 out of 4 starz man. Get off the fence and you either ENJOY THE HELL OUT OF IT, or dont.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    sounds like Moriarty enjoyed it

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    was it fun moriarty?

  • June 15, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Why Mori, Why?

    by No time for Haters

    Why so much venom aimed at it? I haven't seen it yet, but I really would like to see an official review from you. And while I'm sure you're just messing with Harry, you shouldn't rain on his parade. If he found enjoyment in it where others have failed, then he is one of the lucky ones. Cause I believe we all want to like it, for some that will be impossible, but perhaps others will connect with it in the way that Harry did. I'm hoping that I too can find the "fun" it in like harry.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    you can enjoy the hell out of a movie without giving it

    by Mr_X

    top marks. or it it all or nothing with you? 0 or 10?

  • June 15, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Awesome Movie

    by jimmyc

    I have just got back from seeing the movie and have to say you got it all wrong it was awesome. Here are the highlights for me; Hugh grant looks a little different but is incredible as the stretchy fella especially when he was dancing – boy, can that man dance, it put his skit in music and lyrics to shame. I don’t want to spoil it for anyone that hasn’t seen it yet but the general plotline is that Hugh wants to marry the girl from the “Spec Savers” spectacles commercial but has to duck out at the last minute cause skinny silver Morpheus from the Matrix wants him to go surfing - Spec Saver girls brother “Blow Torch Boy” tries to chase Skinny Silver Morpheus away and they race to the ozone layer before Skinny Silver Morpheus gets pissed and throws Blow Torch Boy in the desert where he burns a poor campers tent down. Vic Mackey from the shield is in the movie except he has really bad acne all over his face and body. I’m a big fan of Vic but he needs to get help, he has really let himself go and looks literally like a piece of shit in this movie. Anyway it turns out that skinny Morpheus’ real name is Norman (or something like that) and Norman works for a cloud of smoke that wants to eat the Earth. The military manage to get Hugh and the fantastic team to help them catch Norman but then they take him to Guantanamo to have a chat and inject his alien body with some chemicals that they usually use to make humans talk. Anywho Spec Savers Girl manages to talk to Norman and convince him that although he has spent an eternity working for the cloud of smoke, and his loved ones life depends upon his obedience, he should give it up and help the fantastic team instead. I think she used her amazing power of “tits and ass” to achieve this as it took her about 3 minutes. This was almost as impressive as her other powers which included turning almost invisible and using a form of Tai chi to stop a big wheel falling over in London. Anyway Mr. Doom from the first movie - played here by Super Market Sweeps, Dale Winton – returns to steal Normans surf board and encourages the cloud of smoke to get really really really close to Earth. He also chucks a stick through Spec Saver girl’s chest, which penetrates her impenetrable Tai chi shield and nearly kills her. Hugh gets a bit upset about this but he lets Norman “tit her up” for a bit which brings her back to life. At this point in the movie Hugh and the team have had enough and decide to let Blow Torch Boy take out Mr. Doom on his own, they help him by giving him all their powers. This is where the movie changes from the Fantastic Four to the Fantastic One and there is a good sequence where Blow Torch Boy turns stretchy invisible and hits Mr. Doom with an acne ridden fist of fire. The film ends when Norman gets his surf board back, he flies to the centre of the cloud of smoke where it looks like he takes a really long dump on his board before turning into Jesus and blowing the annoying cloud away. We all cheered when that happened. The best line in the movie for me was when Spec Saver Girl said to Mr. Doom that she could put something inside him that would explode – I think this was a mistake and that she took his line. The only thing I didn’t understand is why it was called the fantastic four - Vic Mackey’s girlfriend was blind but actually had the ability to smell anybody in the room – if that aint a superpower I don’t know what is, surely that makes them the fantastic five?

  • June 15, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Story told the right Story Finally

    by Stankirby1

    Harry you hit it on the head - Story went back into the 1960's and borrowed from the pages of Stan and Jack including FF #17 The Super Skrull with the powers of the team Annual 3 The Wedding where Stan and Jack get kicked out 48-50 the intro of the surfer and Galactus and finally 57-60 where Doom steals the Surfer's powers. This was really a comic book film!

  • June 15, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Kicked ass. Period. Stankirby1 is right.

    by avengerbri2

    I thought Super Skrull immediately! Gotta dig up the back issues to find where that shot of Johnny/SS wrapped around Doom getting ready to punch him came from. It's a COMIC BOOK movie, folks. Lighten the fuck up.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    The reason MEMFLIX is such a big deal

    by trombone

    Is that this is censorship. It limits the freedom of the press to write exactly what it thinks? You don't think this will scare more reviewers? Or theater owners? If this isn't challenged in court (and I hope to GOD it is), then it sets a precedent for the studio to own the perception of the film. The image. The fucking LIES!<br> <br> And I don't buy all that "it's only a super-hero movie" crap. The content IS NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS the critics RIGHT to WRITE what he/she honestly thinks, regardless of what the studio wants us to believe.<br> <br> As far as the "he probably did something he shouldn't have" I don't buy that shit at all. What "shouldn't" he have done? Maybe he "shouldn't" have been honest.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Moriarty....you're so funny!

    by lost.rules

    Is it Chilikis ass? Or Jessica Alba's ass? There's a huge difference.

  • June 15, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Harry, a bit suspicious

    by trombone

    I asked Quint a couple of weeks ago if we could have a Talkback devoted to the effects of success on the reviews here. Not just the "are you guys selling out", but more "in what ways does success influence the output and how the site is run".

  • June 15, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    Harry

    by trombone

    "I liked the movie because it reminded me of Silver Age FF comics" is not a review of the movie. Same beef I have with your Spider-Man 3 review, which was "I don't like Venom, anyway, so it doesn't matter." <br> I've never been into the FF, so what I need to know is "is the movie good as a movie"?<br> <br> I've notice in the tone of your reviews lately that you seem to be afraid to say that shit stinks. maybe I'm missing something. But there are a lot of shitty movies out there and calling them for what they are is the thing to do. It seems that so many critics go the "middle" route: "Well it had good points and bad points". So what's the good point of sitting down in a big steaming pile of horse-shit?

  • June 15, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    mai too sense

    by RokurGepta

    I actually enjoyed this film. I have to agree with pretty much everything Harry said. The actress that played the blind chick, must not have ever had any contact with anyone blind in her entire life. Oh and I personally don't understand why they white-washed Jessica Alba so much, you could tell she had LAYERS of make up on, and the contacts... and eyeliner, what's funny is the news and photographs of the fantastic couple, featured in the movie, Jessica had brown eyes... and Doom definately not very doomy, but the Silver effing Surfer, PERFECT. PERFECT. He made all the boo-boos ignorable.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    LMFAO jimmyc...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Someone's channeling a little Cumpston today. Spec Saver girl? Comedy Gold!

  • June 15, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Harry...

    by CoolFrood

    ... for taking a stand that it is OK to enjoy a comic book movie. Some of these haters make it sound like they need the movie to be something life changing to validate their existence. (Thanks kind of setting the bar a little high, don't ya think?) I loved comics as a kid, and I am proud of that. Be proud of being a comic book fan. Be proud that comic book movies are making billions of dollars each year (even if they are not the comic book movie you want) because their success does, in a way, validate your love for comics. Even the worst of the modern comic book movie is better than the $h!t that was offered in years gone by. (Remember FANTASTIC FOUR '94? Remember CAPTAIN AMERICA '90?) We have come a long way, and with movies like Spiderman 1, Sin City, and 300, the future is even brighter. (Can you say WATCHMEN?) Excelsior, my friend. Excelsior!

  • June 15, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    avengerbri2

    by trombone

    No. The line that "it doesn't matter because it's a genre movie" does not cut it with me. They can put the time and effort into making a GOOD genre movie--whatever genre it is. People are upset because they are passing off bad work. It's not about lightening up or not.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    So we should just be...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...thankful that we are getting comicbook movies at all? Are you outta your fucking mind CoolFrood? I'll be sure and thank the creators of Elektra and Catwoman, and lets not forget Batman & Robin, because those movies sure do validate my love for comicbooks to non-comicbook fans. Tool.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Harry gave X-men 3 a kind sorta liked it review as well

    by lost.rules

    That should lower your expectations for this movie. Now, if he raves about Transformers, well, you'll know what that means. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    This movie is just for the kiddies

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Seems to be a lot of that going around here on AICN. Mental retardation.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    When it comes to reviewing movies, Harry is a....

    by lost.rules

    pussy. Grow some balls, man.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    sorry for getting the hate ball rolling, Harry

    by trombone

    I know you've taken a lot of shit from the studios over the years too.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    unused tickets

    by TAF

    my wife is an arts and entertainment editor who receives lots of free tickets including two for silver surfer preview for thursday night. neither of my kids would go with me and the tickets are still sitting with unopened mail. niether my college daughter nor middle school son ever became comic geeks. i think i'm a failure as a father.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    It's okay, folks, just use your *imagination* and -

    by Laserbrain

    the Fantastic Four film you've always wanted to see will be right up there on the screen. Just squint your eyes a little.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    TAF

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Your wife and kids just have good taste & judgement (regarding this garbage flick).

  • June 15, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    i thought x3 was good when i first saw it in theaters

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    but the more i thought about it, the more i disliked it. then by the time i saw it on dvd, it was fuckin horrible. seriously that movie sucked ass.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    This talkback shall sustain me ...

    by colemanfrancis

    ...until it has been drained of all elemental life! I've always liked the Surfer character and I kind of liked this movie despite the amalgam of problems that weighs it down. Everything with Mr. Radd was handled well, and Thing and Torch were pretty good. Alba sucked - maybe she can be invisible all through the next one AND have her lines dubbed - and the less said about the metrosexual masquerading as Doctor Doom the better. And a character like Galactus deserves better than a familiar shadow on Saturn and a cloud. Is a giant guy in a purple suit and weird helmet too goofy? A shiny guy that rides a surfboard from solar system to solar system isn't? At least there was some exhuberance in this movie, unlike Spiderman 3 and its depressing storyline that bored me out of my mind.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    fantastic four RISES to 38 percent on the tomatometer

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    YA GET IT!

  • June 15, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry!!

    by Phategod2

    why the hell is the fantasticar a Dodge? I drvie a dodge Charger and I love em with all my hearth this blatent product placement is over the top.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Loved how they dealt with Galactus

    by Wed Vid Guy

    Did we really want to see a dude in a purple helmet? I like this force of nature thing alot better. Not the best and certainly not the worst movie I've seen.

  • June 15, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Why Movies Suck

    by NHRonin

    It's because the soul-sucking corporate bosses continue to hire hacks like Tim Story who dumb down the stories. If the FF2 had the Watcher and the Ultimate Nullifier, the average movie goer would be completely lost....or so the execs thinks...and wrongly so. We can handle smart superhero movies, dammit!!!!

  • June 15, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Jusr got back. The Surfer was BAD ASSSS!

    by Quake II

    And the rest of the movie was fair. I am soooo relievd that they didn't fuck with the Surfer. No cheesy dialogue, no goofy actions. He's mysterious, powerful and barely speaks. There is a sense that he's seen so much that we just wouldn't comprehend. That we are ants to him. The Surfer in this film as in the comics is so powerful that he can't be bothered to use it except in self defense as a last resort. So for that reason alone, I will re-watch this film.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Mori makes me laugh!

    by buffywrestling

    I'm going to forgive him for that "Walter B" thing. I'm such a girl...

  • June 15, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    well...Elektra isn't the worst Marvel movie anymore.

    by thebatturtle

    Seriously? Are you messing with us? It it April's Fools? FF2 was just pure awful. Not even for geeky fanboy reasons. But for actual, critical, the movie was 90 minutes of pure awful reasons. They made Surfer into a Teletubby!?! Plus, I've never been angrier at Lawrence Fishburne.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    that WAS a BADASS movie!!

    by jojo-pimp

    i was soooo not disappointed, but i was actually blown away! And who cares if you dont really see Galactus.....t was the perfect way to set it up for a solo Surfer film. If you ask me, i always thought the comic book version of Galactus was kinda shitty looking

  • June 15, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Get over yourself Mori.....

    by jojo-pimp

    It really wasnt a bad film at all....its just like the comics...fun, simple and to the point. I mean shit..its not The Watchmen or V for Vendetta or The Dark Knight Returns....its the frickin FF4!

  • June 15, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    For those obsessed with large purple helmets...

    by MEMFLIXsFormerBoss

    check out the gay section of your local porn shop

  • June 15, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Phategod2: Jeezus dude.....

    by Playkins

    sounds like you're gonna effing HATE "Transformers". I kind of thought it was a little strange, but it made since because there was a whole scene before that making fun of endorsements.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Harry has chosen ASS, here's why...

    by wash

    Actually, I have no idea. Anyone know?

  • June 15, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    When will Moriarty offer his own analysis of FF4 II ?

    by BDuncan

    I normally respect Harry's views (when he has time to offer up a film review in his busy schedule, that he doesn't write enough of), but this is one case where Massa's savage attack of the FF4 II film, is probably more credible than Harry's. It'd be interesting to read Moriarty's review of the FF4 II film to balance things out more (presuming he totally agress with Massa and also thinks it's total crap and the reasons why).

  • June 15, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Huh

    by Spiders and Zombies

    (SPOILERS!) This movie was awful. I saw this movie so I could say it was awful. It was nice to look at. It was basically a shit sponge cake with a lot of sprinkles, and large fucking plot holes that make less sense then when Jessica Alba turned invisible to get through the crowd on the bridge in the first movie. My favorite one (SPOILER!) is when they realized the Surfer had a pulse and they made a machine that would make him fall off his board. Miraculously, everybody else with a pulse (maybe they said something else) who were standing closer to the machine were unnaffected. And was there a single person in the theater who thought Jessica Alba was REALLY going to die? There was just no suspense or momentum to this movie. As far as Galactus goes, I don't know what Galactus is supposed to look like so the cloud machine thing didn't bother me, I was more concerned with the entire movie.

  • June 15, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    LMAO Playkins...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Haven't been in a Transformers TalkBack lately I take it. My god what you just said is funny.<p> Anyway, the hell if the Dodge thing did make sense. If you recall, the rest of the team didn't want to wear endorsement deals. Besides, the first joke was funny, the overblown Dodge joke was mega-overkill.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    day late and a dollor short

    by Phategod2

    I've been hating Tranformers since June of last year.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Mori and Harry sitting in a tree...

    by Bronx Cheer

    and Mori opened up a can of Silver Suckage on Headgeek. Sweet.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    The Strange Case of Memflix isn't about Censorship

    by Bronx Cheer

    It's about a betrayal of trust, and dishonorable actions taken by someone who should have taken more care with his passions. And it's about the COSMPIC POWER!

  • June 15, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Doug Jones is a buddy of Harry, right?

    by superninja

    My younger brother, who thinks I am too critical of films, said that this movie actually made him angry, it was so bad.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    POWER ON A COSMPIC SCALE!

    by superninja

    The terror, the might, the fury, of the...nevermind. I am tempted to see this film and yet afraid because I think I will like it for some reason. Julian McMahon should get some kind of serious penalty for his portrayal of Doom, though. Not the DP, but pretty close. And Story for thinking that was a good version of Doom.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST

    GOOD MOVIE!!

    by United States

    I really enjoyed this movie. Sure, it could have used a little more time for character development. Maybe Sam Raimi has spoiled me with the Spider-man films, but I think there is plenty of room for character development in a FF movie. That said, this was a lot of fun to watch. This is a comic-book movie, not a Branaugh production of Shakespeare ;) I didn't mind McMahon as Doom. I would like to konw how fast the Fantasticar goes. It seemed to get from New York to Siberia in the time it took them to climb a flight of steps (maybe it actually took them 23 hours to climb those steps, leaving just an hour to defeat Doom and then deal with Galactus). This was the only real problem I had with the movie. I liked that the story took place in different parts of the world. That gave the story a good scope, and kept it from being tethered to NY, NY.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Long Live the FF!

    by SutterCane

    It's a fun flick - nothing great but still decent. Would I like to see an even better FF movie? Sure, but what they've got is still entertaining so why treat it like such an affront? And for Mori to give a thumbs-up to X3 and then slam this as though it's the nadir of comic book adaptations is nothing but hypocrisy.

  • June 15, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Sam Raimi

    by Spiders and Zombies

    The difference between Sam Raimi and Tim Story is the fact that Sam Raimi can direct his way out of a paper bag. Sure Sam Raimi didn't make the Spider-Man movies exactly the way the comics had them, but that's because he made them for people who watch movies, not specifically for the 0.00000000000000000000000001% of people that read those comic books and saw the movie just to bitch. Plus FF2 didn't have Bruce Campbell in it.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Why did they make Alba look like an albino in a

    by superninja

    bizzare effort to please the fans yet let JULIAN remain as Dr. Doom? There is no redeeming this guy's performance, he needed to go. I just don't get it. Contractual obligation?

  • June 16, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    And whoever said Alba would've been fine with

    by superninja

    a bob, that's right. She would've looked just peachy and cute, enough of a visual nod to the character.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Does anyone remember

    by BCfreeB

    the last time Harry DIDN'T enjoy/give a good review to a major studio release? In other words, any time that it could possibly get him in trouble with his new hollywood friends and partners?

  • June 16, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    just saw it

    by j-bot

    I really enjoyed it. They did borrow a lot from the old FF. It wasn't perfect but whatever if it entertains me then I'm good. They did nail the silver surfer though.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST

    and by "nail"

    by mrdinky

    do you mean anally rape? so THAT'S what those big gaping holes were about....

  • June 16, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Better than Spidey 3

    by MDucret

    Just got back, most people seemed to like this movie(except for the 3 year old kids running around - theaters should ban kids from night shows) Harry is right that Julian sucks, part of this is that his character is no longer a monarch but more like Donald Trump. Lack of Galactus didn't bother me as much as Reed not coming up with a final answer. Story also missed a cool opportunity to have the 4 & the Surfer fight Galactus together, especially after Reed finally showed some balls and confronted the General. Harry was right, FF2 captured the Silver Age spirit of the comics, it was a fun 90 minutes.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    What medications are you taking?

    by INWOsuxRED

    From now on every AICN review should begin with a list of medications that the reviewer is taking that may impare judgement. The reviewer should also list any drugs or alcohol consumed prior to viewing the film. They ask these questions in the begining of most depositions, and the same rule should be applied to AICN reviews. I would be shocked as shit if I were to learn Harry isn't completely addicted to some kind of pain medication.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Drew, despite myself...

    by TheRealRatigan

    ...I can't help but call your TalkBack review of FANTASTIC FOUR 2 my favourite Moriarty review of all time.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Why do you people even GO to the movies?

    by Quake II

    All you do is bitch and moan about how terrible they all are. Get a fucking life haters. Find anew hobby if this one makes you so miserable. It gives me a headache reading the venom that these 12 year old fucks spew on these talkbacks every time a new movie comes out. Fantastic Four is skewed towards CHILDREN. YES! The original FF comics were directed at the youngest Marvel readers. This movie is the same. Get over it. And stay home. Why pay money to see a movie you've already decided to hate? It makes no sense!

  • June 16, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Good fucking movie!

    by tristeele

    and I loved the first one as well. Sorry some of you all who didn't like it. This movie was SOOOOOO much better then that shitfest X3 and Spidey 3. Took my wife and 6 year old. They loved it as well. Did really miss seeing Galactus. Hope their saving that for the SS movie.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    FF2: ROTS rises to the occasion?

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Sorry, bad attempt at a cheesy review title. This ain't a review, but a few comments. Just got back from the movie. I have to agree with the Headgeek, there was lot of good ol' FF in there and the film was actually a fairly enjoyable night at the movies. At the end of the movie, the kids I saw it with said "That was coool!" and about a dozen or so people clapped. I guess that's not bad for a film with lowered expectations. Some of the good stuff: As Harry said, the family dynamic of the FF was entertaining on a TV family show kind of level, but these days, what other kind is there? Sure, there wasn't as much guilt and depression and high-minded drama as what Stan Lee wrote at the height of his scripting powers, but all that would have bogged this movie down and killed the fun factor. And believe it, Stan Lee's FF was at many times very dramatic. Some above talkbackers were comparing Sam Raimi with Tim Story, well they're two different types of people. Sam Raimi is a confessed geek who got Peter Parker, who could successfully project his own persona as a loner into the character. Tim Story, on the other hand, seems to understand ensemble films. Look at the success of Barbershop. You may not like it being done with the FF, but Story knows how to handle multiple characters and make them interact on a personal level. He gets the buddy film. That skill with an ensemble cast may be a reason why Story was hired for the FF film, because what is FF but a multiple buddy film? Again, you might not like Story's almost sitcom approach to the FF family, but on a certain level, he makes it work. There was a dynamic there, and that, at least, was needed for an FF film. Raimi couldn't have done that, I don't think. He's too caught up in his own world(breakup with Danny Elfman for example). Anyway, moving on... the Fantastic Four seem a little more comfortable in their roles in this film. Everyone seemed to be having a little more fun this time around. I picked up on that, and appreciated it. When Reed yells at Ben and Johnny "Shut up!", it sounded real. I know Stan Lee and Jack Kirby wrote and drew the FF (even their family problems) a bit noble and mythic and hovering a bit above the earth, but I'm beginning to appreciate the down to earth next door feel that Story puts into the Foursome. FF purists may yell "blasphemy", but it probably makes for a more entertaining movie. I liked, as Headgeek said, some of the references to Silver Age FF. For instance, the Ben and Johnny striking out on their own thing, like what they did when they had their own series for a while in Strange Tales. Or Sue wanting a normal life for her potential family. Look for the tribute to Galactus's classic helmet when you first see Galactus' shadow stretch across the ringed planet. And I like that Johnny Storm dumps the knife wielding wannabe-diva bitch Vanessa Minnillo for Frankie Raye (actually, I didn't really give a crap). A few negative comments: First, I felt maybe the Surfer should have been a bit more aloof, mysterious. Right off the bat, he does that whole bow on bended knee to Galactus thing, and thought it was too much too soon. And the whole speaking English immediately thing, eh, I donno... In retrospect, I don't care so much for the whole Shalla Bal-lost love origin thing, I feel it trivializes the Surfer. I guess I prefer the old mysterious Jack Kirby surfer. Maybe I would have just preferred Surfer being turned by Sue's pure heart or general hotness and then seeing her **minor spoiler** dying after being attached to her might have been enough without the whole lost love thing, but I donno... I guess I'd have liked to have seen Surfer's story stretched out a bit, it seemed to go so fast. All of sudden he starts talking about Shalla Bal (he doesn't mention her name), it made Surfer's turn to human empathy seem a bit too easy, and not as earned. OF course, I had my own now crushed dream idea for a stand-alone Silver Surfer movie, so maybe I'm just projecting. Moving on... I think A problem with Julian McMahon's Doom is his voice. It's not deep enough. Sure, he can get away with it when he's playing the pretty boy business man, but when he dons the mask, we need to hear something close to Darth Vader. That's Doom. Using McMahon's unDoctored voice, Doom sounds like a weasel, instead of DOOM. Finally...I thought the movie ended a bit abruptly with the standoff between Galactus and Surfer, but, in the end, I don't think any major childhood raping ocurred. Main gripe, though, is that Dr. Doom needs the deep menacing voice when the mask on, that would have made all the difference. That said, though this still isn't the perfect awesome out there Fantastic Four film that I know is possible to make, I still liked it. 'Nuff said.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    THE BIGGEST COMPLIMENT TO FF: ROTSS-

    by Playkins

    I just watched the first FF, just to compare while it was fresh. FF2 makes the first almost unwatchable by comparison. I used to think the first was just one of those decent summer flicks, but now, the second outshines it entirely.

  • June 16, 2007, 2 a.m. CST

    the silver guy was kind of cool

    by Spiders and Zombies

    You're right, Raimi would have taken the times to develop the characters instead of making a PG movie that apparently only people over the age of thirty can fully appreciate.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST

    also

    by Spiders and Zombies

    I was wondering for the sheer fact that The Thing couldn't pick up his own gawdamn wedding ring in the first movie, the director made him the ring bearer for this one.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Instead of hunting down Memflix and having him fired...

    by Crimson King

    Fox should've fired the douchebag who greenlit this piece of shit instead. That's fucking ridiculous that they put out a gigantic steaming turd and then have the audacity to get up in arms when someone tells them it stinks. I don't know whether it takes balls....or a complete lack thereof. Either way, that's complete bullshit. And fuck whoever decided that it would be a good idea to go on a crusade against a projectionist in Memphis. Seriously, instead of wasting time and energy on bullshit like that, they (and we) would be better off if they spent it the time and energy on actually trying to put out a good product. Holy shit, that's probably too high a concept for them to grasp...the idea that if they put out a quality product people wouldn't have something to bitch about...

  • June 16, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Zombies

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Maybe having Thing as the ring bearer shows that he is getting used to being Thing now, that he can actually pick up small objects and live normally in his new skin...

  • June 16, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    For Tripman5000

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I was going for a Ghandi reference there, buddy. Ghandhi. Thanks, though.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Where's the "Gone Fishin'" Review?

    by Birdys Piano Teacher

    So many classics that I haven't seen Harry weigh in on.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST

    I liked it: A shocking revelation, I know!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Pretty good film. Dumb as hell, mostly a comedy, mostly for kids, but Fantastic Four 2 is a perfectly enjoyable waste of ninety minutes, although (as Ms DuPont said above) the story falls apart a bit if you think about it too much. But the Silver Surfer worked well, John Storm was good, I liked the switching powers gimmick, plus you've got detective Frank Pembleton himself, Andre Braugher, who is always worth a watch. It was fun, basically. Undemanding, silly fun.<p>However, if you hated the first one, you will probably hate this one, too. It's got much the same sense of humour, the same product placement, and many of the same flaws. I don't know anything about the comics, but I imagine you comic types will be pissed. But then, you comic types get pissed about anything.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    WOW THIS MOVIE SUCKED A FAT FUCKING DICK

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    IF YOU SAY THIS MOVIE IS BETTER THAN SPIDERMAN 3 , YOUR ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. FUCK THIS MOVIE. SUCKS ASS.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:17 a.m. CST

    BOTTOMLINE: THE MOVIE IS CORNY

    by Derek Wildstarr

    whoever likes this movie... fine, to each their own. but please understand that you are admitting to liking one helluva dorkfest.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    FF2 is the First Movie I've Walked out of...

    by pinkraygun_guy

    ...in the first hour since Home Alone. And the first movie my girlfriend walked out of since Captain Corelli's Mandolin. We went into this one expecting to be disappointed, just like the first one. But where the first one wasn't as bad as we expected, this one was much, much worse. Too bad, FF seems like it has (had) cinematic potential. Maybe if I was 8 years old this would have worked for me.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST

    I am admitting to liking one helluva dorkfest!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Finally, I am at peace with myself.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    The end of the World is nigh, cause i agree with Harry

    by The Founder

    Yes i do. The movie was not perfect and i'm not making excuses. Harry has everything dead on. The SS is amazing. Doug Jones did as wonderful job and the fx was great. Much better then the 1st one.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Pissed about the BIG G, but the Cloud FX was Cool!

    by The Founder

    You know I'm not excusing FOX for screwing with Galactus. It would have been nice if the cloud was referred to as an instrument of Galactus. Well actually it was never said to be Galactus directly. They tried to play it king of vague. The movie wasn't perfect, but i have to admit that the damn cloud fx was pretty damn good and it worked very well. Would've been perfect if the cloud was said to be a device of galactus.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Right. Harry loved the hell out of a shitty-ass movie..

    by Charles Sheen

    ...real end of the world stuff right there. This is where the obnoxious eye-rolling emoticon goes. I'll pass on FF. Any more of these summer blockbuster abortions and my brain is going to hemorrhage.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Hypocracy

    by Silent Mark

    Seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't around here. I love how the people who say that reviewers are pre-judged as to a film's quality before seeing it, are the very same people who scream and whine when someone enjoys a movie that they themselves have deemed a crime agains cinema....without actually seeing it. I'm interested in all opinions, good and bad and I'll reserve my judgment until I actually SEE the movie, rather than back someone like Memflix's review as gospel, simply because it cost him his job. I don't care about him or his job, he knew the risks and he rolled the dice anyways. Lesson learned I say. What I'm saying is, I'm gonna go see this movie next week, and I'm gonna go see Transformers too. I'll either like them, or I won't. And I'm not going to bouycott Fox either, they were perfectly entitled to do what they did and their situation, I doubt there are many here who wouldn't. Despite what you say now, the choice is a different one when it's yours to make. Incidentally, why don't you all get an online petition together too, it'll have about the same impact as your lost box office money from not seeing this film. I guess that makes you anti-fox plants.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    this guy on imdb makes sense of the galactus cloud

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    "I just saw this a few hours ago and I have to say that this movie was a big improvement over the first FF film, which I found pretty forgettable (although it wasn't DAREDEVIL-level bad). I know everyone seems to be furious over the way Galactus is portrayed in this, but, I thought it was done alright. First off, he's not a "cloud." What we see of Galactus is a ferocious, swirling maelstrom of gas and debris that is so vast that it casts a shadow (a suspiciously horned shadow, actually...) over the face of Saturn. That's Saturn the GIGANTIC PLANET, folks. So to begin with, all of these posters are being misleading about the size of this thing. It/he is enormous. Secondly, it's never actually said WHAT Galactus is. He's only referred to cryptically as the "Destroyer." At the film's end, the Surfer flies up to penetrate the outer layer of the Galactus storm, and he flies in to its core, where we see shifting energy fields. Now, some people say you can see a face starting to form, I myself didn't see anything concrete like that. Maybe it's open to interpretation, but, I think people were seeing what they wanted to. But the point is that the storm itself WAS NOT GALACTUS...the Surfer flew towards the heart of it, and confronted Galactus as a pulsing heart of energy. THIS was Galactus. The storm (again, a planet-sized storm) could have been the effect of an immensely powerful cosmic being ripping through space, or, it could have been a "vessel" of sorts in which he travelled. I'm thinking of the V'Ger cloud from STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE here. Galactus has no "true" form perceivable by humans; we see him as a giant man, whereas Skrulls see him as a giant Skrull, Shi'ar as a giant Shi'ar, etc. He's a cosmic being who can change his form at will and perhaps has no need of a corporeal form. Is it so hard to buy that while still in space, travelling interstellar space between feedings, that Galactus (or at least movie-Galactus) is formless, that he exists purely as energy? It's a lot easier to travel through space as energy than to exist as a gigantic human, isn't it? We can assume that when Galactus chooses to manifest itself on a world he is preparing to consume, that his "human" aspect would be seen, as a godlike being (probably a defense mechanism to awe the natives and keep them from impeding his final preparations). As it is, the only one to see him in the film is the Surfer, who as his herald most likely would not need to perceive Galactus with a humanoid aspect. "But that's still wrong!" you say. "The cloud!!! Wahh!" Well, yes. But in the comics, Galactus travelled around in a spaceship the size of our solar system. It's so big that it has planets orbiting it. I have to say that that just wouldn't work on film, sorry. I know that superhero stories are essentially ridiculous and that you need to suspend disbelief, but, what was "believable" in a 1960s comic book would just not work on screen in a 2000s movie. In a way, the level of detail and animation allowed by modern CGI limits what can be depicted in film now. The original comics as drawn by Kirby are amazingly inventive and bizarre but are in no way "lifelike;" one doesn't look at a Kirby drawing of the Thing and marvel that a human being has turned into a monster, and one doesn't see a Kirby drawing of Reed or Sue and assume they are looking at a photograph. There's a certain crudity to the art that actually serves the unreal nature of what's being drawn. But in the flesh, so to speak, you can show a lot more, and a lot less at the same time. Yes, you COULD show a 200-foot-tall man with purple antlers floating over Manhattan...but in perfect, human detail, it wouldn't look iconic. It would look hokey, and stupid. It would be very difficult to make that work. I know most of the fanboys are complaining, but I guarantee that if they gave us purple suited Galactus, 99.9 percent of the fans would be complaining "Galactus looks so fake!!!!!" Of course he does. He's a ridiculous-looking character, away from the comic page. I wouldn't say that the idea of Galactus as a disembodied space storm made me stand up and cheer, but it didn't ruin the film either. This was just the briefest of introductions to Galactus; were an FF3 to show his return, they could easily incorporate more of the classic comic images, if they wanted. Since the FF themselves never confronted Galactus (he never makes it to Earth, the Surfer "destroys" him in space, or believes he does anyway), there was no need to show him. If the story had been about Galactus, it would have made more sense to show him on Earth and choose a physical form for him then. But the film was more about dealing with the Surfer, the team's evolution as a family, and the return of Doom. Galactus is just a plot element here, not a character. So don't freak out and dismiss the movie before you see it. I thought it was great for the most part."

  • June 16, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Galactus

    by KillianXX

    I like the movie...and i saw the definite shape of Galactus toward the end was only for a moment but i it was there!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:33 a.m. CST

    And I thought the original sucked...

    by Shawn F.

    What a giant colostomy bag of a movie. The story sucked (how much screen time was devoted to that wedding? Christ, it felt like it went on longer than the one in 'The Deer Hunter'!), the directing was lifeless and the acting overall was pretty bad (as with the first one, Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis did manage to bring the slightest bit of life to the film). From this point on, Jessica Alba better start walking around buck fucking naked in every film she's in, because that girl can't deliver a line of dialogue to save her life. Thanks, Fox, for a lovely evening at the cinema.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Shawn F, what do you have against colostomy bags?

    by Bronx Cheer

    Where do you get off comparing ANY movie to a colostomy bag? How dare you suggest that a sack of shit is a bad thing! Harry obviously doesn't think so, so why should you? Who do you think you are, anyway? Somebody with discerning taste? Elitist!

  • June 16, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    bringing sexyback i suggest you read the post

    by Mr_X

    "this guy on imdb makes sense of the galactus cloud" it does make sense, and galactus crusing space in a pimp mobile does not. <p> at the wedding i was waiting for the line from johnny " but i just hired this tux" instead it was chneged to " but it's dolce ( or something) </p>

  • June 16, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Cop Out?

    by Silent Mark

    If I'd seen a shot of a purple headed pope hat wearing giant in his little purple booties, I probably would just laugh and not go at all. It worked on the page, but you be smokin' crack if you believe for a nanosecond that wouldn't be a joke on film. That would be bat nipple bad. Flames on Galactus FTW

  • June 16, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Galactus as a cloud

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I don't buy into the Headgeek's idea that Galactus is actually off-screen. From what I've seen, Galactus is the entity within that cloud storm, in a 60's Star Trek kind of way. If you want to relate it to Silver Age Fantastic Four, it seems this movie-version of Galactus is closer to Ego, the Living Planet, which was another cool Kirby creation. But the cloud worked for me, if only because it's worked in every other end-of-the world movie from Ten Commandments to Spielberg movies. If you want Revelation-level end of the world feel, cue giant dark swirling cloud in the sky, and Voila! That being said, I do feel, no, I know that a classic rendering of the Jack Kirby Galactus is possible without being too cheesy. This is the movies, anything is possible. If Tim Burton or Chris Nolan can get away with guy running around in Bat suit, you can get away with giant humanoid alien that eats worlds. It's all in the execution. I can see it, myself. But for what Tim Story was doing for this film, as based in reality as it was, Galactus as a cloud was probably the best approach. Like I said earlier, the cool badass out-of-this world FF movie has yet to be made. Thank goodness there's such a thing as franchise re-boots...

  • June 16, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    AWESOME MOVIE!!

    by jojo-pimp

    I dont care what any of you say....you all have your taste in movies....some of you set yourselves up to hate this movie before even seeing it....its a shame, cause that was a pretty decent flick. Silver surfer was handled PERFECTLY!!!!!!!!

  • June 16, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    DAMN YOU HARRY KNOWLES

    by Wilclas

    Damn you.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Enjoyed this movie

    by BDT

    Someone in this talkback mentioned gut reactions and I have to say, I throroughly enjoyed this movie on a gut level. The Silver Surfer in this movie rocks and gives you a hint of the potential for taking a very b movie to a much higher place...but only hints. I agree with Harry about Doug. I knew when I was watching it that this had to be that master of body language who can make the smallest of gestures speak volumes. However I do not agree with Harry about Doom. He is a minor character who only works as a catalyst in the story. He is too minor for me to worry about. I also disagree with him about Alicia. BUT how could Harry have overlooked Sue Storm who looked like she was bad cgi in human form. OMG. Her acting was fine. Her appearance was so distracting it almost ruined the movie for me. She was overly thin, spray-on tanned, fake/pasty blond, botox lips, and alien-like contact lenses. I really hate to be so hard on the gal, cause her acting was good, but couldn't they just find a good actress who looked like Sue Storm? The other thing I wasn't too happy about was the writing was kinda bad and very stiff...but then again, this is a comic book movie, so it's best not to take this stuff too seriously...just enjoy the good parts.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Well, It's Official

    by Thom85

    Now technology AND comics/film are outside Harry's purview. Must be nice to get some of that studio plant money. Harry, why not give over your column to Massawyrm? And didn't a review say that Galactus IS mentioned by name?

  • June 16, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Galactus

    by MrDuke118

    The turned Galactus into a giant fart. Enough said.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    It was an improvement over the first...

    by TheLawyerKobayashi

    It was was pretty decent, I enjoyed it... unlike that piece of crap they passed as the first movie. I also am fighting my man-gay love for the Silver Surfer after seeing him.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    bsb-i didnt even like the movie aside from johnny

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    thing to but he didnt do much not even fight. surfer was fuckin tite but he didnt do as much as i wouldve liked him to. but you that guy did have some good points in that post.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    well saying galactus is a cloud...

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    really makes your guys jokes easier dosent it?

  • June 16, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    LOL Moriarity

    by Rupee88

    You rule dude...thanks for visiting the talkback and speaking the obvious truth. I haven't seen this film, but I've seen the first one and enough preview stuff to know this one is just as sucky. It's a dumbed down kiddie movie and nothing more.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Not a FF fan but I really enjoyed it

    by FirstPostersSuck

    Sure it was cheesy, IT IS A COMIC BOOK. and I thought it fit perfectly. I just wish Ben Grim were bigger. That part still sucks.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Galactus

    by lutermanji

    Why do people keep saying that making an actual character would be stupid? I'm tired of idiots saying things from the comic book won't work in a movie, it's a damn movie. If you can't be real to the comic book don't fucking make a movie that ignores it. And people stop saying, "Oh i saw galactus in the cloud" they fucking pussed out of doing anything cool with him.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Ben Grimm's stature...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    If you go back and read any old Stan Lee/Jack Kirby FF comic, in fact I have one on my computer desk right now, you'll notice that Jack actually drew the Thing shorter than Reed Richards and about the same heigth as Sue. In Silver Age FF, Thing is no taller than the rest of the FF. I know it sounds preposterous, and it makes sense that Thing would be bigger, but there it is. I think Thing got bigger in stature with the more modern comics. So there you go, end of debate...

  • June 16, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Doug Jones is THE Man!

    by TheShadowCat

    Thank you, Harry, and may the gods bless you for your review of the new F4 movie. Thank you for not believing the tripe that Fox has been spewing out for the past month or so about Doug doing motion capture. Doug *and* Spectral Motion deserve every little bit of praise for their work and Fox has been trying to cover it all up. Why? I don't know, but as my husband pointed out, what do you want from the people who run Fox News. I'm sure you'll be happy to know that Doug has signed a three movie deal with Fox, so if there is a Silver Surfer movie, he'll more than likely will be back. Now if they could just do something about the guy that voiced SS... >^..^<

  • June 16, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Galactus

    by Spastic Jedi

    I saw the cloud as the debris from all the other planets he has destroyed. In the first minute we see a planet destroyed and then rock and dust explode everywhere. If Galactus is so huge, he would have a gravitational pull. Was it a "cloud" or was it the remnents of all the planets he has previously destroyed caught in his gravitational pull/energy field. I can't wait for the scene in the Surfer movie where the cloud of debris starts to thin and then we this immense being. You know it will happen. That shot, Galactus half in the cloud, half planets sized being with the Surfer tiny in comparison will be the poster for the Surfer film.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    DOOM's Voice and Dialogue

    by Gandalf the redwhiteandblue

    For gods sake Doom's voice, when in costume, should be deeper and command respect. Also his dialogue should be more eloquent. He is after all royalty. "Every body let's go for a spin" *hangs head in shame and sobs*

  • June 16, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    whew!

    by Russman

    I'm glad I didn't go out to see this.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Dr. Doom...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...needed more raising of clenched fist while shouting "The world shall tremble at the name of Dr. Doom!" or maybe "Am I not Dooom?" or something like that...with cowering Eastern European minion groveling in fear...

  • June 16, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Watch this FF in 'Galactus' Cartoon (1967)

    by Spacesheik

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=cMQj8NCey1A Speechless here.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I could see the cloud thing being that if Galactus

    by superninja

    destroys planets, that is matter from the planet he has consumed and in still in the process of consuming since he is in a constant state of consumption or he dies.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Or that he has sufficient mass himself that the

    by superninja

    debris from the planets he consumes orbits around his gravitational pull.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Why is Julian still allowed to play himself as

    by superninja

    Dr. Doom. In the first film they said he only put on the accent to appeal to the American corporate world. They could've given him an accent, had him embrace his Latverian roots, show up in some medievil looking costume and talking in 3rd person like's he supposed to, tinkering around with magic because technology failed him in the last movie.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    See this is what ive been getting at

    by ruben2278

    With Harry having such a fun movie going experience with hardcore fans how do you NOT enjoy the film?? Why don't you try seeing that film in Queens NY or the Magic Johnson theatre and tell me if you really think that movie is any good.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Waiter, I want to return this ass

    by Snookeroo

    It has a crack in it.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Memflix Update

    by MEMFLIXsFormerBoss

    Most of you will be happy to learn memflixs has just got a new job.Sucking cock for crack.Look I know its an entry level position but there is alot of room for advancement(unless the steering wheel gets in the way)He wants you all to know that he appreciates the support and if you are in Memphis around 5th street and you have a rock or two to spare he would be glad to give you an early release.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    nitpick

    by Mr_X

    mr fantastics clothes work with his cosmic powers ( i.e stretch in the club) bens clothes rip, johnny clothes burn off and sues fall off. word.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    nitpick

    by Mr_X

    mr fantastics clothes work with his cosmic powers ( i.e stretch in the club) bens clothes rip, johnny clothes burn off and sues fall off. word.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Long Live Memflix.....

    by A Day of Days

    in a shite-splattered basement full of bubonic rats. Who gives a fuck about this guy? He broke the rules of his fucking company that he worked for. You morons actually believe Fox tracked him down and had him black-balled? OOOH, big scary corporation was so concerned with a bad review some fuckstick wrote...like it would have any noticable effect on the BO sales. You tools already had your minds made up, so when Memflix came along you just latched onto him like babies suckling from mommy's titty. Oh yeah, Galactus would look RETARDED as his comic book form on film, These are Silver Age FF stories written for families to see, not written with your little pathetic fanboy pipedreams in mind. Get over yourselves and get your fucking noses out of the air. You know nothing about film and if handed a camera and a few million$ you'd produce something along the lines(or worse) than that dreck FF movie from the 90's. I have spoken. Fire away.......

  • June 16, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    The mouth-breathers have spoken. Shit.

    by BiggieKaiju

    $22 M Friday gross. Looks like it will match or slightly exceed the opening for the first one, to the tune of $55-60 M. Fan-fuckety-tastic. It's almost as if audiences saw it, experienced the suckitude, and said, "Thank you sir, may I have another?" Somehow I think this correlates with the re-election of President Fucknuts. Hmm...

  • June 16, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Harry Has Unfortunately Invalidated Himself ...

    by cowboyone

    With his inconsistent (and sometimes VERY suspect) reviews. And no script or Director will ever be able to save the complete B-Movie miscasting of 3 of the Four Fantstics (Chris Evans kind of works)

  • June 16, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    BSB, I think you are right I was just trying to

    by superninja

    come up with an explanation. :)

  • June 16, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    just dull - FF saturday morning cartoon better

    by flipster

    it's a repeat and it's still more fun and better than the movie I saw lat night - go figure. wow and the alba detractors are dead-on, what an idiotic choice in casting among other bad choices in this film...bad choices all around methinks.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I trust Mori more than Harry. Right a review, dude.

    by superninja

    Or get Cumpston's mom to.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I'll say this...

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    It was harmless fun, about what I expected. A few ridiculous moments had me groaning. Another fucking awful dance scene. And the makeup people almost made me NOT want to fuck Jessica Alba. Seriously, the worst fucking wig you've ever seen and awful blue contacts. Okay wait, I'd STILL fuck her like a champion. Evans was awesome, Reed's stretching effects were awful alot of the time. And Julian McMahon fucking owns Doom, so bite it Harry. Not great, not awful, and still A MILLION times better than Spider-fag 3. Fuck that movie.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Took the kids.

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Watched the shit out of it. The thing is, they aren't really trying to make a movie, good or bad. They're following that Men in Black formula where you sort of introduce a plot, because movies are supposed to have one, then you have your characters each do a couple of their little bits, because people want to see that, and then you find the most painless way possible to finish the thing, so people can go home. Both the kids liked the last one, but the eight year old didn't care for it this time. The five year old still thought it was awesome, and for a five year old it probably is.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Do you really think it was Alba's idea to look

    by superninja

    like that? I doubt it. Her hair is brown again, the InStyle interview she talks about her background just doesn't want to focus on her ethnicity. Who cares? Better that than someone like JLo going around trying to tell us how "real" she is and doing bad Spanish albums.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    It seems pretty divided on here....

    by Quake II

    Which means if the movie was really as horrible as some say (It seems most of the negative reviewers have not even seen the movie!), you wouldn't see so many positive reviews on these boards. In fact. I would say the positive reviews are outnumbering the negative right now on here. So does it really suck? I say not at all. Much more fun than Spidey 3 with an hour less of commitment and no Tobey Maguire whining! Hurray! Had the Silver Surfer not been in it, I would never have gone in the first place. And Doom was a waste...Again.

  • June 16, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Better than Spiderman 3

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    JUST WANTED TO BE FUCKING CLEAR.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Re: Meflixes former boss & Day of days

    by mr dark

    Not only did Fox get Memflix fired / suspended... I see they are still hiring these two chuckleheaded trolls to bash Memflix.. As for this travesty of a film..Reviews have ALL stated how bad this dreck has been with the only good buzz saying its better than the first one .. Thats like saying I just took a shit but it doesn't smell as bad as the one I took yesterday.... As for you two clowns... yeah! You can put down what Memflix did as much as you want but he did more in a couple of days than you two fuckin sorry losers have done since your mother shat you out her poopshoot..

  • June 16, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Do you really have any evidence that Alba

    by superninja

    despises her ethnic heritage?

  • June 16, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I know this isn't the right venue...

    by grandlarseny

    But can we stop getting a redesigned fucking batman suit every time they make a new batman movie? I am super excited bot Dark Knight, but I don't like the new suit, an I pray there is no batcycle. Nolan was able to make batman realistic and gritty and dark, let's keep it that way.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    grandlarseny

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The Batsuit, unlike Spidey's suit or Superman's, lends itself to redesigning as Batman, being of normal human powers, relies on the latest technologies to do what he does. But what does this have to do with Galactus being a cloud?

  • June 16, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Batsuit

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    has to be constantly updated because Batman is constantly in training and updating his methods. He is always working towards being a better crimefighter. Plus now he can actually turn his friggin head. Oh, and this in no way applies to that nipple horseshit from Schumacher.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    GALACTUS IS NOT A FUCKING CLOUD

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    He's inside the cloud, the cloud is his means of getting to the planets and sucking the planety nougat out!

  • June 16, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Mc Mahon Bashers

    by mr dark

    Your right he is a good actor.. I think the biggest problem in putting Doom on screen is that its already been done well with Lucas ripping it off for Darth Vader.. Sorry had to be said .. I feel the heat already...

  • June 16, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    grandlarseny

    by jfp2007

    What the fuck does the new suit and the existence of a batcycle have to do with taking TDK out of the realm or realistic and gritty? It doesn't. That's the 2nd dumbest thing I've read on here today.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Two things...

    by loafroaster

    ...Firstly, I can't see how any fan of either cinema or Marvel would say this film was good. Biggest piece of shit I've ever seen; hackneyed cliches at every turn, terrible script, forgettable special effects and not one 'wow' moment. And it pisses all over it's comic-book counterpart. I was never one for the Fantastic Four; they were always a bit too goofy for me. But when they were good, they were GREAT. And Silver Surfer/Galactus story arcs were always fasinating. ROTSS (why 'Rise'? Do people ever think these titles through?) reduces a potentially galaxy-spanning epic to an hour and a half-or-so of product placement and God-awful dialogue and scenarios. "Let's go for a spin", "Surf's up", ANOTHER dance scene and Jessica Alba's creepy contacts...I can't begin to list what's wrong with this movie. Secondly, this movie is NOT for kids, so it can't use that excuse for it's God-awfulness. I seen it in a cinema packed with kids, and after five minutes they were bored out of their fucking minds and screaming to go home. Do kids want to see Reed and Sue discussing their relationship? TWO weddings? Mr Fantastic and the Army discussing how sub-atomic particles can be polarised to yah yah blah de blah? Fuck no. They want an hour and a half of super heroes with special powers fighting baddies plotting to blow up the world, that kind of shit. In ROTSS, they got about ten minutes of it.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Two things...

    by loafroaster

    ...Firstly, I can't see how any fan of either cinema or Marvel would say this film was good. Biggest piece of shit I've ever seen; hackneyed cliches at every turn, terrible script, forgettable special effects and not one 'wow' moment. And it pisses all over it's comic-book counterpart. I was never one for the Fantastic Four; they were always a bit too goofy for me. But when they were good, they were GREAT. And Silver Surfer/Galactus story arcs were always fasinating. ROTSS (why 'Rise'? Do people ever think these titles through?) reduces a potentially galaxy-spanning epic to an hour and a half-or-so of product placement and God-awful dialogue and scenarios. "Let's go for a spin", "Surf's up", ANOTHER dance scene and Jessica Alba's creepy contacts...I can't begin to list what's wrong with this movie. Secondly, this movie is NOT for kids, so it can't use that excuse for it's God-awfulness. I seen it in a cinema packed with kids, and after five minutes they were bored out of their fucking minds and screaming to go home. Do kids want to see Reed and Sue discussing their relationship? TWO weddings? Mr Fantastic and the Army discussing how sub-atomic particles can be polarised to yah yah blah de blah? Fuck no. They want an hour and a half of super heroes with special powers fighting baddies plotting to blow up the world, that kind of shit. In ROTSS, they got about ten minutes of it.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Why do my fellow geeks love to accept mediocrity?

    by JT Styler

    FF2 is not the worst film ever but it is just as mundane as the first film. Marvel have not released anything decent since Spidey 2 in 2004. That 3yrs!! Surely this is unforgivable. Now Spidey 3 is excusable in that the failure was not a lack of ambition but in fact trying do to much, bending over backwards to please us geeks and add in Venom - thanks Avi. We as geeks are just as guilty for placing Raimi under that pressure. But X3, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four not forgetting Daredevil and Electra - if we continue to say 'oh it just a fun, comic book film', then surely mediocrity is all we deserve. Btw while POTC, the Goonies, Back to The Future are fun summer films, FF and FF2 are mundane, company products with zero spark of inspiration. Fellow geeks, speak with your wallets and wait for the rental. The Styler has spoken.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    McMahon is the ONLY reason....

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    I've ever considered watching the Charmed dvds. Not even Milanos or McGowans tits have gotten me there yet, but McMahon is a an awesome actor and his Doom is just fine with me, given what he has to work with. and Nip/tuck is good shit.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Spidershit 3 is NOT excusable.

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Add in Venom? I got a way you could have added more screen time to develop the Venom arc... TAKE OUT THE FUCKING DANCE SCENES. SCENES! 2 FOR FUCKS SAKE! A month later this piece of shit still bothers me.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    WOW!!!! HARRY!!!!!!!!

    by loafmeat

    I am shocked that there was no perverse comments about Jessica Alba and her blue contact lenses! Or anything perverted about fucking a blind woman! Is this a new Harry????

  • June 16, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Fox owes me $, Mr. Dark

    by A Day of Days

    If in fact I am hired by Fox, why am I wiping my arse with magazine pages?...other than the fact that I spent my TP cash on seeing FF:ROTSS seven times yesterday! I cannot stress enough how perfect of a film this is.....you fuckstick of all fucksticks. That was a joke...I've only seen it once, and would see it again but am saving my money for...GASP! Transformers. Oh, and are you such a tool that you judge a movie based on what some other tool says in a review? Who is the more toolish, the tool that leads or the tool that follows? Tool.

  • June 16, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    A fantastic Four review

    by emeraldboy

    FF2 rise of the sliver Surfer opens with Galactus destroying some planet. DR. Reed Richards/Mr Fantastic(the still wooden Ioan Gruffoad) is about to get married to Sue Storm/the invisible woman(the icy Jessica Alba).Every time they are about to get married some thing comes up. This time its Norrin Radd AKA Silver surfer who is CGI but is played by Doug JOnes and is voiced Laurence Fishbourne. SS is in the service of Galactus who appears in the movie as a giant interstellar cloud. SS thaws out Victor Van Doom(Julian MacMahon) who makes a deal with...I have said too much. The effects have improved enormously. it is quite obvious that this film is no masterpiece and wont win any awards. When I saw the name chris Columbus as one of the producers, I kind of knew what to expect. This movie was also produced by constantin films who are a German based movie company. This is not a film really more collection of clips of different countries strung together by family orientated story. The Egghead mom and dad, the rebellious son and the Baldy uncle who is there along for the ride. When you have villain named doom. This is a villain who should scare the shit out of you. This is a Chris columbus backed movie. So Julian McMahon acts like Julian always acts everyshow he has ever been in. Even Nip/tuck and that is to stand there and say nothing and furrow his eyebrows. Dont believe me rent premonition or (dont). I have already mentioned Gruffoad Woodness once already and I did then there Jessica Alba or Lil miss frosty. Every scene she is in she frosts the screen up. I would like to correct something right now and it is a huge misnomer that was left by Memflix. Ready the silver surfer does not die. right before the end credits roll. it cuts back into outer space and we Norrin Radd reconnected with his board once again. Memfilx must have legged it at the part where the silver Surfer/Norrin Radd attacks galactus. and if you were to leave at that part, that would be the assumption. but its wrong. That is where the the story of JMS writing the Silver Surfer spin off comes from. I liked what chris evans brought to the role Johnny Storm, the last time, this time the writers limited it to the extent that his cockiness has been blunted. I didnt hate the movie like some of you did. over all I thought the movie was a real mixed bag, in that I thought the effects were much improved, the acting was terrible. There was no camaraderie between The Thing and johnny, that is what i enjoyed about the first movie. Lets be clear Alba cannot act, but we have known that for some time. White chicks is right. Gruffoad should stick to period pieces. I give Fantastic four rise of the silver surfer. 3/5

  • June 16, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Actually, too much ambition IS excusable

    by JT Styler

    I admit that while there are some good things in Spidey 3 but a lot wrong with Spider-man 3. I actually liked the Saturday Night Fever strut but didn't like the second dance scene. However I say it is excusable because Raimi clearly has too much ambition in this movie trying to juggle far too many balls - Sandman, Harry, Venom, Eddie Brock. Personally, I think one of those story arcs had to go and my preference would have been for either venom or sandman. Venom - visually interesting but a thin character, Sandman, great character but visually familiar - the Mummy movies. What Spidey 3 is is a fascinating failure, a flawed movie for credible reasons. What I cannot abide is someone with no creative spark, no hint of an idea, someone who is simply mediocre, someone who treats his audience as lacking intelligence, a safe pair of hands - I give you Tim Story. I can see him and the Chris Columbus who gave us the first two Harry Potter movies having a beer. I would pay to see another Raimi Spiderman film (although I think a new director and a new vision would be gd) but I would not pay to see another Tim Story strikeout with FF3.

  • June 16, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    If you're going to say someone doesn't want to

    by superninja

    look Puerto Rican, I mean that should be for a reason, right and not just some random statement? I am not defending her, I just have heard this charge levelled at her before and I have no idea where it comes from.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Jessica Alba is not Puerto Rican...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...she is a Mexican-French cross hybrid. Maybe that's why she denies being Puerto Rican? Don't you people wikipedia?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    How can an "FF Geek" like this crap

    by ShiniGamiSan

    A total re-write of some of the best comic issues ever written? No Watcher, Galactus a Cloud, The Fantasticar as comic relief, no Universal Nulifier, and 10 minutes of wasted screen time with Reed disco dancing with air-head models.<P> I saw this film early yesterday, and actually totally forgot about it later in the day, and now I'm pissed at what the FF Franchise has become the more I think about it. The CGI on Reed looked like it was from 1995. Fox must have provided Harry an in house fluffer for the screener for him to like this drivel. Even my 11 year old, who's read the comics and watched the 1960's cartoons, hated it, and laughed thru most of it.<P> I guess you liked Battlefield Earth and Wing Commander too.<P> Anybody who liked this must think Howard the Duck was the greatest Comic adaptation ever filmed.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Alba and race

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    WHO FUCKIN CARES? She's HOT and every fan fucking nerdboy that likes cooze in here would give a nut to eat her snatch after she came home from the gym. As would probably 20% of those men inclined toward the penis. Seriously she's among the hottest, if NOT the hottest woman on the planet. I don't care if she's Puerto Rican or from a shithole planet out Rygel 7, she gives me a stiffy. Carry on.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Harry Is Fat and Stupid

    by Moniker Jones

    Roger Ebert once compared watching Vincent Gallo's initial cut of Brown Bunny to watching a colonoscopy. If the colonoscopy involved CGI and a few superheroes, Harry would eat it up. Why? Because the fat fuck eats anything and everything. He is a cancer. A festering sore on the backside of modern cinema. His writing is like a barrel of monkeys with keyboards that include nothing but exclamation points and Wingdings fonts. I loathe his very existence.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    this didn't totally suck

    by oisin5199

    at least not as bad as the first one. Yeah, it's cheesy as hell, but certainly not worth getting pissed off about. I was bored whenever just Sue and Reed were onscreen. Doom was awesome as long as he had the mask on and didn't speak. The Surfer was pretty darn cool and I especially liked his look when he was off the board. I'd see that spinoff (kinda funny that there was more emotional content in the tiny scene with the Surfer in the lab then there was with the whole Sue/Reed "romance.") The Fantasticar product placement was utterly inexcusable, but what the hell you gonna do? Fox are money whores, plane and simple. But I did have fun at the movies, with my teenage stepson and his friends. So it was a good time and worth it.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Moniker Jones

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Tell us how you really feel, please?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    nice deus ex machina ending

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Could that have been any more lame? This film was made for kids and simpletons.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Hey, I don't know anything about Alba except

    by superninja

    that she's pretty, but I was just asking a question, because I've heard people accuse her of wanting to be white.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    And another thing about Alba

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Well, not really. More about that lucky fucking prick Cash Warren. Seriously this guy must have been born with a rabbits foot up his ass and a mole on his cock in the shape of a four leaf clover. Bastard gets to wake up in bed with her and bask in her fragrant fart stink. I hate him.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Ya know, as I was watching this movie I thought

    by Yack Backer

    Why doesn't Galactus eat Jupiter? IT'S FUCKING HUGE! That's like Thanksgiving dinner for the big guy! Tell me I'm wrong? What, too gassy?

  • June 16, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Day of days

    by mr dark

    Why wipe your ass with magazines unless they are the discarded playgirls you whack off to..Why don't you just grab a handfull of leaves from yourself since you are obviously a total plant or just an imbecile who doesn't even read their own posts.. and speaking of fucksticks I left one in your mama last night..so just pass it on to your brother Memflix's former boss and you two can have a party together..

  • June 16, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Why Watcher wouldn't work in THIS Fantastic Four...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    And why a giant white guy in purple armor Galactus or the Skrull alien race wouldn't work either... Tim Story's Fantastic Four universe takes place in OUR universe. It seems Story's perspective was to base our Foursome heroes in the real world of everyday life. So what if five normal people got irradiated with cosmic rays, and got super powers? With the exception of their fantastic powers, everything else in the movie is based pretty much in real life. That said, Uatu the Watcher and a walking talking Galactus would have been SO out of place in this FF universe. Again, this isn't a Star Wars universe or even the Jack Kirby universe where alien life forms were common place, a regular occurence. This FF takes place in our universe. Silver Surfer and Galactus are treated with mystery and aloofness (though I felt Surfer needed even more aloofness) in a Stanley Kubrick 2001 kind of way. If you wanted Uatu the Watcher or purple outfit white guy Galactus originally named Galan from the planet Taa, the filmmakers would have needed to create an entirely different universe, one where such things walking around wouldn't have been so preposterous. Tim Burton did this for his Batman, Nolan also did it for his. You also saw this to great effect in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. A fantastic universe needs to be created, stylistic sets, lighting, mood, music, everything, in order to get away with it. And to do that requires a re-do of the FF franchise a few years down the road (I should be available to direct it by then, God willing...) Again, all that stuff you guys/gals are whining about WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED in the FF universe Story set up for us. 'Nuff said.

  • June 16, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    It can't all be like we imagined.

    by OswaldWasAPussy

    I had fun, my daughter had fun, the movie was engaging and interesting. Was there a planet sized guy in purple armor? No, and there didn't need to be for 99% of the viewers. This is a different medium than comics, if they tell the story true to the characters hearts we so love, they have done well. Johnny's struggle with his own maturity and place in life was well done and not heavy-handed, that is how you do a character arc.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I stayed for the credits....

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    and Vanessa Minnillo was billed as "another girl Johnny fucked". Nick must be so proud of her.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    This movie's aimed at 9 to 11 year olds.

    by football

    No wonder Harry liked it.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Poor wittle mrs. dork got her feewins hurt...aww

    by A Day of Days

    Fucking tool. So sure that I'm a plant. And if you mean to insult me, you can do better than third grade your mama jokes. Or maybe you can't. You're probably fucking 13 or something. Or fucking thirteen year old boys when you're not locked on your parent's pc trashing anything that doesn't fit your little fantasy ideas of what movies should be and being so pathetic as to think that Fox or any movie company has nothing better to do than battle goddamn talkbackers that think they know all. Wake up, you human stain.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    2 Hours of my life I'll never get back

    by Homer Goes DOH

    And I was planning on curing cancer with those 2 hours. Oh, wait. I don't know how to cure cancer. Shit. That blows that to hell. I guess I just spent 2 hours watching a goofy but enjoyable movie. It was OKAY. Plot-holes out the ying yang and I still don't like the CG Torch effect, but what the hell. Now I'm gonna read the original Galactus Trilogy on my CD-ROM and take a nap. I call that a good day!

  • June 16, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    BSB, remember the last time we got a girl

    by Yack Backer

    on the TBs to talk about lesbian romance? Wannabanana, where you at? Damn.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    A Gay of Gays

    by mr dark

    No need to insult you.. You do a good job of that yourself... P.S. Don't fuck with the MEMFLIX

  • June 16, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    But seriously, FF3 is gonna

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    ...be made. This movie is headed to a 60-70 million dollar opening weekend, beating the 54 mill of the first one. Plus, next weekends offerings aren't that strong. 1408 looks good, but there are certain people who just won't bother. And you could not pay me to see Evan Almighty, much as I like Carrell. It's kiddie shit and I hope it tanks. So FF2 has a potentially solid second weekend ahead. My question is, what do they do for a third film? I am not a FF nut, but I do have a decent knowledge of the Marvel universe. What other movie worthy storyline can they mine from the comic?

  • June 16, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    If they make FF3

    by mr dark

    It should be with a new director .. It sounds like Story may be done with the franchise.. If it does get made you might expect Fantastic Four 3-D... I could only hope it will be better than the first two.. As for mining the comic canon I would like to see the FF take on the Hulk that could be awesome in 3-d but probably would never happen due to rights issues.. Inhumans would also be great..

  • June 16, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    FF# 3

    by mr dark

    Danny de Vito as the Moleman would also be another choice

  • June 16, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Me, as Mr. Dark sees it:

    by A Day of Days

    I loved X3. Worship George Lucas. Can't wait to praise the PG-13 Die Hard. Simpsons movie will be better than the Godfather.Will suckle upon any turdling Fox pinches out. It can't possibly be that I just genuinely enjoyed the flick. Did it have problems? Yes. But so did SM2, which for some reason most people hail as the best comic movie ever made. Have you even seen FF2? Fuck nope. Narrow-mindedness gets you nowhere, neither does prejudice. Surely won't get you laid. I'm done with you. I gotta go water myself and cash my huge fucking Fox check.

  • June 16, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Familiar with those characters, barely

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    But would you put them in your 3rd movie? Thats the problem with the FF as a movie franchise. They run out of good villians. I think you would have to look to the Skrulls as far fetched as that sounds. Who the hell is even the villian of the Iron man movie? Talk about a Marvel character I know very little about. And if they ever made another Daredevil, who the hell is there after Kingpin for him to battle? Ghost Rider also has a tough sequel to pull off, since we were given the Johnny Blaze and not the Danny Ketch version. Batman, Spiderman, great rogues gallery. The rest not so much. Even supermans kind of sucks after Luthor.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    If Tim Story continues with this franchise...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...I could see them introducing Black Panther, with either Dr. Doom again, Klaw, Mole Man, or Diablo as the villain...

  • June 16, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    You are right about that ..

    by mr dark

    Most villians aren't burned into the memory as well as the heros. I did hear something a while back though about Samuel L. Jackson being considered as the Puppet Master but could of just been rumor or hype. Skrulls is not so farfetched as say the Impossible Man..

  • June 16, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Preacher

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Talk about a comic book that needs to be given the big screen treatment.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Sure, you like it now but........

    by lost.rules

    as soon as you watch it again on DVD with no 13 year old audience around you're going to realize what a piece of shit this movie is. Remember ID4 for evidence.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Namor...

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Banged Sue with his fishy weiner in the comics, didn't he? Could be interesting on the big screen.

  • June 16, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Right, Puppet Master...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    He's even referenced in the FF Extended Ed. DVD, where we see all these marionettes in Alicia's apartment, and she tells Ben her step-father made them. If Story continues, and Black Panther is not introduced, the villain could be the Puppet Master... p.s. the Extended Cut DVD is an improvement on the theatrical release...

  • June 16, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Day of Days

    by mr dark

    Sorry I hit a sore spot regarding your sexual orientation... But go ahead and cash that $1.98 paycheck Fox should be able to cover it after this weekends B.O....and lighten up I was just fucking with you..I'm sure your a true film lover as am I. As far as I'm concerned I haven't seen a "comic book" film thats been truly faithful to the source since Sin City and that was only better than average and probably due to Frank Millers direct involvment.. I do hold out hope for Watchmen though.. That was the last "comic" I have read and i think Zack Snyder may hit it out of the park...and remember MEMFLIX got fired for your sins...

  • June 16, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    If you don't like Harry's Opinion...

    by Damer1

    then start your own fat geek website. With being said his reviews have been pretty bad since the Blade II cunning linguist analogy. Sorry Harry I can't let you live that craziness down.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    no offense taken, Mr Dark

    by A Day of Days

    My only purpose on here is to challenge people, sometimes against my own true opinion...just for the fuck of it. It really is a jolly good time.

  • June 16, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Cheers Day of Days

    by mr dark

    I respect your opinion even whilst I piss upon it.. a good day to you Sir...

  • June 16, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    By the By Day of Days

    by mr dark

    This is a perfect example of why I stuck by MEMFLIX during his ordeal with Fox and his theater owner..I believe so much in the right of free speech that we just excersized over this wonderful invention called the internet.. without that right we wouldn't have had such a jolly good time.. and again I say good day sir...

  • June 16, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by memflix

    I can only assume that the part you speak of has been added since or the print I saw was just a damn near finished print as they were rolling out the thousands for the public. Not sure, how that happened, but I saw credits and booked. That Roy fella said that the sequence you spoke of was after the credits. Sounds like they moved it up.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Plantier than a plant growing plants in plantland!!!!!

    by Gabba-UK

    I'm sorry Harry, I and many others haven't taken ANY review of yours seriously since the giving a rim job to Del Toro that was the Blade II review. Mori and Quint are the most trusted IMO when it comes to reviews. As a spokesman and dare I say it, an icon, for Geeks around the movie fandom world you are without peer but when it now comes to insightful film reviews your opinion, like Mori's quick summing up of the movie within this TB is just ass!!!!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    After the X-men 3 end credit

    by emeraldboy

    nonsense. I think fox realised, that the silver was the Star of the movie. The shot the bit where he attacks and kills galactus. I can also tell that they rushed the movie out into theatres. In the Trailers. Reed looks at johnny and johnny says before turning into the torch" i just bought this tux" and in the movie johnny says "its dolce". But as i say in my review of the its not so much a film but series clips strung together. I could have done without the lovie dovie, stuff.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    WOW. WHAT A KICK ASS COMIC BOOK MOVIE!!!

    by versatol

    I have to say that is the one of the BEST no nonsense comic book movie I have EVER seen. It is definitely in Marvel's top 5 (maybe even #3 behind X2 and SM2). I'm sorry haters and whiners but I was entertained and so was the whole damn theater. Big applause at the end. This movie is on track to bring in over $60 mil this weekend so there will be more whether you bitch or not, people. It's just pure humor and fun without the bullshit in the way Spider-man and X-men have not been. Though the aforementioned movies are great series (with the exception to their third installments) this movie hangs with them in my opinion. And I will make this bold statement: THIS IS VISUALLY THE BEST MARVEL MOVIE EVER. You finally got it Tim Story. This movie was fun!

  • June 16, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    FF:ROTSS > SM3 and X3

    by versatol

    yup.

  • June 16, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Sequel suggestion.....

    by Mutley

    Negative Zone! What is more FF than that?!?!? Now...how to pull off Annihilus without making him look like a reject from a Power Rangers movie.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    You know what, I'm gonna eat my words...

    by Orionsangels

    It wasn't bad. I actually enjoyed myself and it's safe to say it was much better than Spidey3. I'm really shocked how much I liked it. I hated the first FF4 film, but this time the characters were more fun and the Silver Surfer may very well be the best realize super-hero ever committed to film! The only bad thing was Galactus being a cloud and Alba's acting, but I can forgive those. Bottom line, this felt like a real superhero comic come to life. I didn't think Stan Lee's cameo from Spidey 3 could be beat, but it was. So now my fav summer movies so far are 300, Deathproof and FF4 ROTSS.

  • June 16, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four Villians

    by Mr_X

    <p>are fucking crap. Really i've had enough of doom. Klaw, Mole Man or what ever? Come on. Thats the problem here for FF3 lack of a great villian / nemesis</p> <p> a skrull invasion force would cost huge bucks, but lets face it the only cgi they are paying for now is the torch.</p> <p>and versatol VISUALLY THE BEST MARVEL MOVIE EVER was spidey 2</p>

  • June 16, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Like it alot ... but

    by The Only Woj

    Alba is horrible. Julian is horrible (moreso because Doom is written so poorly ... lets go for a spin!). Surfer was great (better when he wasn't CG'd). would have loved for the movie to be longer and develop the Surfer/Galactus plot line further.

  • June 16, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Silver surfer

    by BrightEyes

    rocked, it was a good movie better than spider-man 3 or ghostrider, What do you expect from ff, I think you'd really have to be an uptight film snob to not like this film.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    SPIDERMAN 3 > f42 > xmen 3

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    f 4 still had the johnny and thing humor and the surfer. x3 was garbage all around

  • June 16, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    oh and the car was fuckin cool

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

  • June 16, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    and i forgot to mention how harry has

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    he has fucked over readers pretty bad in the past with his reviews huh? he even gave the blair witch 2 a positive review. WTF

  • June 16, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    it was a very very very fun movie and i enjoyed it

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    good job fox ...

  • June 16, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    alba race not an issue

    by flipster

    the idiot who cast her to play a white-skinned, blue-eyed blonde is in error, along with a myriad of other choices in this forgettable yawn fest. as a blue-eyed guy myself I will admit finding brown-eyed girls to be not very attractive at all. no worries you can keep 'em all to yourself buddy, just a personal pref.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    So Galactus wasn't that grey cloud thing?

    by CherryValance

    I didn't read the comic books. :o But at least it's nice to see Smokey from LOST getting more work. </p> I liked the movie alot. I didn't have a problem with Julian McMahon. I didn't exactly know what he was doing there, but I wouldn't say that's his fault. I mean I didn't understand (spoilers) what he wanted with the board. But I just figured he was a typical villain who likes toys. </p> The only thing I would complain about is the stupid fake contact lenses on Alba. If it was an attempt to make her look more white it just made her look like every other Hispanic person out there wearing those things. The fakeness gives me the creeps and I said the same thing about Superman. Please Hollywood, banish the fake colored contacts.

  • June 16, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    I also think the reason FF4 ROTSS worked was...

    by Orionsangels

    Because it was a short film that quickly got to the point. It was what it was. Simple super-hero fun. Where films like X3 & Spidey3 try to do too much and get overblown with special effects and hyping the film like it's the second coming. FF4 ROTSS doesn't over stay it's welcome. It's here and gone in a flash. My votes for She-Hulk in the next film, because I wanna see this scene - http://tinyurl.com/2s5z8l In the movie because it's hilarious. haha!

  • June 16, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    You could kinda see Galactus in the flames...

    by Orionsangels

    when Surfer enters the could. At least his outline, kinda I guess. You did see his shadow on Saturn.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    cloud damn it!

    by Orionsangels

    fuck me!

  • June 16, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    FF 4 part II actually has more replay value than Spidey

    by Quake II

    In fact, I could sit through Fantastic 4 part II without speed searching through most of it. I can't say the same about Spider Man 1-3. Spider Man movies are well made, but fuuuuuck they drag on between action scenes. 25 minutes of dialogue and then a 7 minute battle.....Ugh. X2 is still the best Marvel film IMO. Give the Surfer a feature film ASAP. And made it "heady" and epic like 2001 A Space Odyssey.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I may pay to see it again.

    by Quake II

    Just for the Surfer scenes alone. I wish they had shown him put a bigger hurtin' on those Army assholes though. Especially after they torture him. Rumsfeld ordered that torture on the Silver Surfer btw...

  • June 16, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    the surfer was a pussy

    by flipster

    there I said it - needs his board? please what gimp.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    In all my years of coming to AICN I've never seen so...

    by Deus Vult

    many black box subject lines. its really made for an interesting talkback. Hey Mori and Harry I've giving you guys some credit here!

  • June 16, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    the director of FF3 should be...

    by Bruno Diaz

    Paul Verhoeven. let's face it these are basically the Starship Troopers super-hero movies (hokey, everybody's young and hot, etc.) I think Harry nailed this movie, and I don't always agree with him. I actually preferred the way they handled Galactus to the way he is in the comic book. I've always thought seeing him hook up his giant de-humidifier planet destroyer device was kind of lame. And him floating around in his big fruity purple costume would've looked really cheesy on film. Too cheesy for this movie, which is saying something. all in all it was a fun, crappy movie. i like the cheeseball corny humor, and the cheap feel of it for some reason. just doctor doom sucks so horribly. he should be Max Von Sydow.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    So I got to see it for free Harry& want my 90 mins back

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    That was one of the worst comic book movies I've ever seen. I wanted to leave but because I was not paying I had to sit and suffer. What the fuck was I thinking even going for FREE?!?!?!? Wow people stay away from this TURD ON ARRIVAL!! Just as I said this is a terrible terrible movie. It's in the Batman and Robin areas of suck. Was the surfer himself cool? Sure I will give it that but it's not enough to save this fucked script,TERRIBLE directing and some very cheesy almost Roger Corman type acting. Yes, it's that bad. It's actually worse then the 1st one and I hated that one but I absolutely hated this one that much more. God good I think I'd rather suffer through Batman and Robin if I had no choice and had to pick just one of these to watch. Fuck me I want my goddamn 90 mins back. Hey at least I never saw Ghost Rider or The Punisher with Thomas Jane. I give myself credit having had a chance to see both. I just have no idea why I agreed to this tonight. Never again people never again. Going with the gut every single time now.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Hey didn't Harry also like The Phantom Menace??????????

    by Deus Vult

    And, how is it that no one has mentioned that yet? In fact, I remember when talkbackers used to quote all the movies harry loved along with TPM and Godzilla and whatever else is on that list.<p>Anyway who cares? Fantastic Four sucked in the comics. The only thing Reed Richards ever did that was a dime was helping Peter Parker get rid of the black costume. Oh and the Invisible Girl figure was worth alot of cash back in the early 90s when it first came out. I traded it along with other Toy Biz crap for a sealed Droids A-Wing. Best thing the craptastic four could have ever done for me.

  • June 16, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Doom makes me want to weep

    by Boondock Devil

    I don't understand how they can nail the Surfer so perfectly and then fuck up with Doom after TWO movies. I enjoyed the movie enough but I can't help but wonder if that's just because I've been so disappointed in most of the other summer "blockbusters" that have been released so far this year. All I know is that they should just scrap on doing a FF3 and focus all of their energy on a kickass Silver Surfer film. Up the budget... give us a real Galactus... Terrax, Firelord, Airwalker... hint at Thanos and maybe set up for either Infinity Gauntlet or Annilation (to a smaller degree than the comics version) and sit back and enjoy the f'ing ride.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    ff sat morn cartoon Kree 2-parter

    by flipster

    2 half hour episodes way better than this movie...I'm just sayin'....

  • June 16, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    MEMFLIX GOT WHAT HE DESERVED

    by Bass Bastardson

    He broke the rules of his employment and was fired. It is simple as that. When you do what your bosses tell you not to do, you lose your fucking job, Duh. That's how it works for EVERYONE. How is it so difficult for all you people to understand that? As anyone who has every been to a screening can tell you, they make you sign papers saying that you won't write up reviews on the internet. The same rules apply for the projectionists and other theater workers. THERE IS A REASON PEOPLE WRITE REVIEWS USING CODE NAMES ON THIS SITE. They don't want to get in trouble. The reason Memflix got fired is that he got caught. He took a risk writing the review and he knew it. If you are going to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at this site - a site that relies on people like Memflix risking their jobs to provide content for free.

  • June 16, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    flipster...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    You are an idiot...I'm just sayin'...

  • June 16, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    BOTTOM LINE...

    by hollywoodsummers

    Moriarty has taste and Harry is a studio suckass with SO many cool friends. He should change this sites name to "aint my friends news cool.com" Seriously Harry, get your head out of your ass FF2 sucks and $1000 says you're going to bust a load over TRANSFORMERS regardless of the shitty acting mindless plot. "The things you own, end up owning you" - Tyler Durden.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Is it just me

    by Colonel Activity

    or is Harry amazingly handsome?

  • June 17, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Just like the silver age comics........

    by ChiTownsBest

    Unless you count Dodge logo on the fantasticar , Doom having powers, Sue Storm not looking like Sue Storm, Reed Richards being an idiot, The Thing doing absolutely nothing, and the general idiotic tone of the movie. I grew up with Marvel and this crap is nothing like the original Fantastic Four. Even the goofy cartoon versions were better then this. I guess they got Johnny Storm right so 1 out 4 isn't too bad.

  • June 17, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST

    ShiniGamiSan

    by tehgreekhammer

    Dude, <p> Its the ULTIMATE Nullifier. <p> Not the universal Nullifier. <p> Get your Geekism's straight buddy! <p> Next time therell be a fine...

  • June 17, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Where's The Watcher supposed to be again?

    by thethedew

    I must have missed something, stayed through till the lights came up, but there was only the one during-credit sequence. Was there really another sequence with the Watcher, as suggested in early reviews? Or have I been punk'd? http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32968

  • June 17, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST

    some dark knight set photos for you guys

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/yunatron/sets/72157600351095408/

  • June 17, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Fans need to give up hope of a perfect comic 2 film.

    by The Founder

    This is probably why I wasn't pissed as FF2. As cliched as it sounds i knew the movie wasn't going to be great. The sad thing is that Hollywood just doesn't get it. Some Comics translated to film has been good, but none that I've seen have been perfect. From Blade to Xmen and everything in between. I think Irom Man may come the closet, and that's becasue marvel has more power in the process, but truth be told most of these comic films have been screwed. Superman returns was boring. but pretty, Batman Returns was overhyped but good. Xmen just was nothing like the comics, more of a based of idea, Spiderman was cool, but for some reason are only watchable once or twice at the most. I could go on, but until a real director with a visdion for these type of films, fans should expect to see a great comic film.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    I was never big on Jessica Alba before, BUT...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    ...I have to say after seeing FF2, I thought she was insanely hot. Seriously, I thought she looked basically okay in the first one, but here I just thought she was totally babe-a-licious. Whoever's dating her gets my vote for "luckiest human on the planet."<p>As for the movie, I thought it was better than the first...it is a solid superhero movie for younger kids, while adults would probably be put off by it. The first third is almost painfully juvenile, but then it settles down. Compared to the first, I think the actors were more comfortable in their parts, so that helps alot.<p>That said, there's just no way to spin doctor the one true core fact about these films: they're still a HUGE disappointment overall when you simply think about how fucking GREAT a Fantastic Four movie should be, given the sheer wealth of ideas and classic plots and truly iconic imagery that the Lee/Kirby comics put forth.So to that end, I'd love to be under the sheets with Alba for sure...but that still doesn't make up for the fact that now we've gotten TWO FF movies that could have been soooo much more with simply alot more effort put into them.<p>But, hey, did I mention Jessica Alba is hot? Yessiree!!!

  • June 17, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    it seems to be that some (idont know about all)

    by emeraldboy

    cbmf(comic book movie fans) have a very high standard of perfection. if the movie is not to the high standard that they expect then they get annoyed. What I find perplexing about this site's attitude to say, the new batsuit is that this is the same site that has for 10 years lashed the previous WB/Schumacher bat movies. of course comic book movies arent perfect. one is never going to get 100% match up between page and screen. Fantasy costs Money. people are crying for hollywood to do a really great comic book movie or movies. We got that it was called the incredibles. The incredibles were the fantastic four. and I would add that Star Wars were great comic book movies too. Even though lucas borrowed from other sources. I cannot wait to see what is going to come from the Stan lee/disney team and if he can give Arad a run for his money. then great.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:18 a.m. CST

    You're wrong AllPowerfulWizardOfOz !

    by Orionsangels

    Batman & Robin is the worst comic book movie ever made and it will be till the end of eternity. Have you watched it recently? It's running on Cable. I throw up in my mouth. No I'm not kidding. It makes me cringe in pain. It's a pink and gayish nightmare! Arnold's Mr Freeze makes the movie version of Dr.Doom, look like Nicholson's Joker. Seriously, neon skaters on ice with hockey pucks. Lines like, "Chicks dig the car" "This is why Superman works alone" I encourage everyone to please, destroy the negatives and DVD copies of this film.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Why does the Batsuit always have to look like armor

    by Orionsangels

    I agree Emeraldboy. Hope the new Batman franchise isn't heading in that schumacher direction. Keep the Batsuit more traditional, like from that short fanmade Batman movie where he fights a Predator. Have you ever seen Batman wear body armor in the comics? I guess they just wanna sell action figures.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Jessica Alba is insanely hot

    by caveman_astronaut

    Too bad im insanely not. Anyways, i liked the movie, about on par with the first one but i miss the depth Ben Grimms character brought to the first one. It aint the comic book, but it is entertaining, and I liked the sense of fun and family if nothing else.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:36 a.m. CST

    perfect comic to film=spider-man 2

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    still great to this day

  • June 17, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    supercowbell

    by caveman_astronaut

    Yeah that and Batman Begins are near the top for me

  • June 17, 2007, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Batman and Robin was terrible

    by emeraldboy

    and it helped speed up arnie's retirement. Batman and Robin has nothing on what I would call the worst comic book movie of all time. Superman 4 the quest for peace. Awful. Just awful. terrible script. Dire performances. Lousy effects. A movie so cheap that you can actually see the wires. It is horrendous. The worst comic book film ever made. You all hated superman Returns. Go back and look at superman 4 and tell me that returns is not vast improvement. Spacey has announced his retirement from screen acting. for a while? Where the hell is this news. oh yeah, I forgot this site and news. this site is no longer a news site.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST

    yes batman begins is amazing

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    DUH lol. snd emerald boy s4 is called good by people you remember it from when they were kids. those people should watch it now. its one of those movies that MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE AT ALL.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    The Perfect Comic Book Movie

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Comic books take place in the world of word processing programs, pencils, ink, and multi-color processing. Like Plato's perfect chair, visual art (drawing, painting, sculpture, etc.)tends to generalize real life, give us a perfectualized heavenly caricatured impression of otherwise imperfect reality. Now, when you go from comics page to live-action film celluloid, real life happens. Flesh and blood actors who don't necessarily have the generic caucasian faces we're used to seeing on our comic heroes because in real life not everyone is a white fashion model, directors begin throwing in their own point-of-view, sets are built or locations found. Like real life, the flesh and blood live-action film is a different medium from the perfect world of comics. Some will bitch about Tobey Maguire or Michael Keaton or Jessica Alba, others will not. Dedicated fanboys may bitch or whine that this or that was left out, others will be happy. Many enter the theatre with their pre-conceived notion of what's perfect or what's not. You can't please everybody every time. And so we have FF2:ROTS, Spiderman 3, etc. Personally, I put human stories first. I thought in Spiderman 3, Raimi finally got the complex inter-personal relationship dynamic I thought was missing from the first two films. Though they don't take place in the Jack Kirby universe I know and love, I still thought Tim Story was adept at handling the multi-personal family dynamic of the Fantastic Four, yes, even in the first one. And while I thought the universally praised X2 was a great action movie, I still thought it lacked any real inter-personal drama, something I don't think Bryan Singer does well. Maybe that's why so many people are posting that "The Incredibles" is the perfect comic book movie. Well, it's a cartoon. But real life is not a cartoon. And therein lies the problem. You can't please everybody all of the time. Not even Abraham Lincoln could do that.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Best Marvel movie...

    by loafroaster

    ...Blade, by a country mile.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:34 a.m. CST

    My take on comic book movies

    by caveman_astronaut

    The way I see it, supporting comic book movies means helping ensure more get made. Sure most of them are silly crap but for all the mediocre ones like ff and daredevil, once in a while you get a spiderman 2 or batman begins and not supporting them means not getting the diamonds among the dirt. Just enjoy them where you can, because this is as good as it will get for us genre fans i.m.h.o.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:37 a.m. CST

    BEST MARVEL MOVIE=THE FIRST HOUR OF SPIDEY 3

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    that doesnt count though right? oh raimi why did you make him dance in that bar and add tons of comedy? did we need to see j jonah ask and pay a kid for a camera when spidey was fighting venom and sandman?

  • June 17, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    and the news scene was very stupid

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    we can (and have) feel for the charecters on our own, we dont need some fuckin girl with a accent and mic to voice her feelings for us.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 3

    by caveman_astronaut

    Yeah, emo Tobey really ruined the movie for me too lol.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    As much as I'd like to give the Silver Surfer...

    by FuzzyWhisper

    ...as he's portrayed in this film my endorsement--he IS really damn cool--I simply cannot seem to get over the fact that he's voiced by Laurence Fishburne. It just feels wrong to have Morpheus' voice coming out of SS' shiny mouth because of how powerfully LF's former role is seared into my memory. <br><br> I wish less recognizable voice talent had been cast. Surely Doug Jones' reading wasn't terrible.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST

    naw he wasnt really emo he just had a emo look

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    i love all the action escially him beating sandmans ass in the subway and him and venom when the were falling off the building, but the comedy is what dragged it down for me.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    ''naw he wasnt really emo he just had a emo look"

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    whatever the fuck that meant lol

  • June 17, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST

    because harry liked the blair witch 2

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    because harry liked the blair witch 2 new phenomom right there. like FLAMES ON OPTIMUS and damn you michael bay. this will be added to the list . BECAUSE HARRY LIKED THE BLAIR WITCH 2. seriously wtf was he thinking lol P.S. dont ban me

  • June 17, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Yeah the whole cheesiness...

    by caveman_astronaut

    around the Peter Parker goes dark part of the movie turned it from my favorite spidey flick of the 3 to being ashamed of the franchise, I', hoping for a directors cut to salvage a little dignity maybe, anyway thats the dream.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    caveman_astronaut

    by FuzzyWhisper

    No kidding. What's the first thing Tobey does when he becomes badass? Fans his bangs down into his eyes. I'm the first one to defend the presence of camp when it's not entirely welcome, but come the hell on. Could the filmmakers have buried themselves any further in cheese? A gesture that blatantly stupid can't be a product of anything but intentionally bad taste. <br><br> Actually, don't beat me but I still think the movie is a moderately fun ride. Disappointing after the near genre-transcending Spider-Man 2, and mired by a screenplay that's best described as a series of truly confounding miscalculations, but its zaniness does help it to a point. And let's not kid ourselves, the action setpieces aren't half bad--especially New Goblin vs Peter round one, and possibly the debris dodging at the tail end of the rampant crane scene.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:04 a.m. CST

    word had it

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    that raimi was really editing the movie down close to its release

  • June 17, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Fuzzy

    by caveman_astronaut

    Oh the action scenes were the best of the trilogy, I just wish personally the cheese factor didn't ruin the whole experience for me as much as it did, I alson don't mind a little cheesiness in my spidey films, But the way they poured it on left me disgusted. Case in point, the cheesy musical montage in spidey 2 amused me a lot.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    the cheesy music montage in spidey 3 was also funny

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=vkJYsLusRn0&mode=related&search= but they shouldve ended it at 1:50 had it fade out and not have peter start dancing there, just have him walking off, right when those lyrics were kicking in. wouldve been funny and not over the top

  • June 17, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    THIS IS WHAT I MEAN! THIS WAS FUCKIN SWEET!

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=chS8hNVFeuk love the good riddance line. but i have 1 problem though-shouldnt the symbiote have been acting up when that train came by? shouldve been pretty damn loud

  • June 17, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    looks like im gonna go see spidey 3 again

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    fuck what you guys say lmao

  • June 17, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST

    supercowbell

    by caveman_astronaut

    Hey whatever floats your boat dude lol. If you can find the happy in that flick good on ya.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST

    supercowbell & caveman_astronaut

    by FuzzyWhisper

    supercowbell: If that's the case, I darn well expect a proper director's cut DVD. The film really ought to be given the full treatment, not a half-assed job like Spider-Man 2.1 (which I will admit to purchasing...and enjoying, however grudgingly. But you get my point). <br><br> caveman_astronaut: I was intrigued by the cheese at first, but it got to be too much for too long. I admire the audacity of the attempt, but that's about it. The bar scene was cute, but that kind of material is best left for the third Special Features disk of the Spider-Man 50th Anniversary Limited Edition Premium Fanwank Box Set, I think. Personally, I would've liked to see a tangible demonstration of the black suit's alleged power-enhancing juju that Peter nearly creamed himself over. I mean, I've been known to act out worse than he did after eating a bad tuna sandwich, much less having an alien symbiote bond with my very FLESH. o_O <br><br> SM2's musical montage also worked for me, by the way. I find it unobtrusive and rather brilliantly timed. And that freeze shot at the end when Peter has that big grin is knee-slapping good.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    c'mon

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    if they wouldve editied out those few final shots the montage in spidey 3 wouldve been better. i enjoyed it up til that part.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    i would say non comic readers enjoyed it

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    but comic fans were not pleased. all of my friends (non are spidey fans like me) said it was great. at the midnight showing i went to two thirds of people clapped, people who looked like hardcore geeks were pretty displeased at the comedy of it.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I like blade the movie

    by emeraldboy

    too. Liked it very much. who knew snipes was such an ass.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    supercowbell

    by caveman_astronaut

    Yeah I got the same impression from fans and non fans who saw it, it depends what side of it you come from in seeing the movie I think.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    blade 1 and 2 were great

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    3 WAS A AMAZING PIECE OF SHIT. IT WAS LIKE A DIRRHEA ENGAGEMENT RING.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    blade 3 i didnt even mind

    by caveman_astronaut

    but i love 2 cause del toro is cool as balls lol

  • June 17, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    blade 3 was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    fucking lame ugh blade hardly did anything, dracula was lame as hell,parker posey and her whole gang were bad actors, and even the action was weak. and how come when blade gets up after being interigated (spelling), we get a extreme close up of his dick? horrible movie.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Aw, I kind of fancy Parker Posey.

    by FuzzyWhisper

    No one plays the pouty bitch roles as endearingly as her. As far as I'm concerned, she's the one thing that makes Blade 3 somewhat enjoyable.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Call the grammar police!

    by FuzzyWhisper

    "...as endearingly as _she_." A thousand pardons, fellow gentlefolk.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    when she says "oh blade"

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    i laughed my ass off. maybe it was those teeth?

  • June 17, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    jessica biel!

    by caveman_astronaut

    Thats what I liked about it for me lol

  • June 17, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    i forgot about the ipod product placement in blade lol

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    so obivious. i actuallly didnt see much product placement in f4 2 but i laughed my ass off when johnny asked it the fantasticar had a hemi lol. they really cast johnny perfect. but as for f4 1 there was a scene full of obivious prodcut placement, when jonhhny and ben were fight after the dirtbike scene, look all around, its everywhere.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    "Well, because nobody ever refers to it as Galactus."

    by Fearsme

    um.... in the middle of the film, the Surfer tells Sue Storm "my people call it Galactus"

  • June 17, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    GALACTUS WAS NOT A CLOUD

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    look at some above post you see

  • June 17, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Doom wasn't the problem

    by stew32

    this movie sucked. period. No Galactus, very little Doom, and Julian McMahon can only work with the script he is given and the direction of Tim Story, who has botched this series so badly it is a crime. I'm pretty sure we'll see Herbie in the next one.

  • June 17, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    doom wasnt actually too bad

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    i just wished mcmahon would use a deeper voice because doom looks cool as hell in the movies. i liked the way thing looked in this to. more uhhh rocky looking lol

  • June 17, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    spider-man 3...

    by FirstManReturns1

    ...was horrible. Sam Raimi is out of the fucking loop. Spiderman 1 and Spiderman 2 were honestly not anything that special either, they were OK. If they bring back Raimi to direct the fourth one - which they will - I'm not seeing it.

  • June 17, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    What a stupid fucking movie

    by photoboy

    So if the Silver Surfer had the power to stop Galactus all along, why does he spend all that fucking time helping Galactus destroy planets? Why not just kill him as soon as he got the board??? Honestly, if it wasn't for Bay's TINO movie this would be the most retarded thing on all summer.

  • June 17, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    the reason for the stinkage that was Blade are

    by emeraldboy

    1. Wesley Snipes 2. Wesley Snipes and his huge Ego. 3. Wesley Snipes and his Decision to sulk in corner the while making the movie. 4. Wesley snipes and his utter refusal to work with the other ACTORS in the movie 5. wesley snipes and his refusal to work with the writer/director. 6. The poorly miscat dominic purcell. 7. The poorly miscast and obviously very high Natascha Lyonne.

  • June 17, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Forget Memflix.

    by whoisthismuaddib

    It is pretty simple, good review or not. He acted unprofessional and wrote a review on a film he wasn't supposed to. I work for a theater and would have done the same to a projectionist.

  • June 17, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    They should recast the role of doom and give it to

    by emeraldboy

    jack davenport. See the problem, the makers have is this. I mentioned this in an earlier post. Star wars is one of the greatest comic book movies ever made and the incredibles were the FF in reverse . Vader was doom. Even though the real villain in Star wars the emperor. Star wars has left a huge void. Know that there wont be any war Star Wars movies. I dont believe that lucas will risk a further backlash by doing more movies. But he should let others do it. He will possibly leave it in his will.

  • June 17, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    I think there will be an unnofficial Incredibles

    by emeraldboy

    Done through the Disney/pixar/ stan lee team up and that will blow marvel out of the water.

  • June 17, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    <<<s a Comic fan..and Yes, i enjoyed the hell out of it

    by jojo-pimp

    Best popcorn flick i have seen all summer.....better than POTC3, SP3...and shit, i cant even remember what else i seen this summer...cause all of them thus far have kinda sucked.

  • June 17, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    AICN AintitCool-O-meter for FF2...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    50%

  • June 17, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Blu-ray disc coatings starting to rot?

    by Spastic Jedi

    Maybe HD-DVD was teh right choice... http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/16/blu-ray-disc-coatings-starting-to-rot/

  • June 17, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I cant guarantee anthing but I have a strange feeling

    by emeraldboy

    that despite all the AICN talkbacker negative buzz surrounding Transformers, that there is going to be a large Box office hole in the ground caused by Transfomers' incineration of its competition on the 4th of july , the bruce will be on hand to kick Micheal Bays ass. Which will then be followed 13 days later by another good kick in the ass by JK rowling and her boy wizard. Then ten days later. A fat yellow bald man called homer will allow fox to wreak revenge on the fan boys who dissed fantastic four and lets not forget the Bourne rounds out the summer.. Those are my friends the top 4 biggest grossing movies of summer 2007. If i was to place a dark horse among that lot. It would be the french film Tell no one based on the book by Harlen Coben.

  • June 17, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    on alba

    by emeraldboy

    I will say this. Dark Angel was the best thing she ever did. She was tough, sassy, athletic, she was surrounded by a great cast of characters. But something made alba turn her back on that tough chick with attitude type roles. I dont know what it was. Becuase then she did HOney. what a awful film, that was. Then she made ff and what ever was left of the Max character was junked in favour of a loved up scientist. There is a great line in the FF 2 where Johnny Warns Reed that if he doesnt go to his stag knight, hell tell sue about the project Reed his working one and get a kick in the balls. When Sue does arrive at the party and reed dancing with the sexy girls. You kind of expect that reed will get a good invisible kick in the nuts. but it never happens. Alba's lack of decent either acting talent or lack of decent dialoig kills that scene.

  • June 17, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    $57,400,000 = Failure.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Compared to other comic book films this is a failure and will drop faster then an old mans nut sack by next weekend because of the word of mouth at how bad it is. That's why Friday's take was more then Saturdays and progressively worse by Sunday.

  • June 17, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Pathetic!

    by jimbubble

    I`ll never be able ever take a review from Harry seriously again after watching this travesty! How in the name of fxck he can say this was a fun film is beyond me,and I aint even a fan boy! I`ve looked forward to seeing the Silver Surfer in a film for a long time,and he didn`t dissapoint,but this was the ONLY redeaming factor about this steaming pile of dog-links! The studios quite obviously spent the budget on getting the Rurfer tight,and by fxck it shows in every pustulant rancid line that`s uttered in thgis film ,and the lack of respect for the story was staggering at times! I sat with my hands in front of my eyes in emabarrasment for a good 70% of the film! Do yourselves a favour folks,save your money for a beer or a smoke or something that`ll put a smile on your face, other than pissing it down the pan on this abomination! As for the direction of this film and the ahem......ending! Ha ha ha ha...

  • June 17, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    I found it perfunctory

    by alexpaknadel

    Probably ploughing someone else's furrow, but the FF have never lent themselves to "serious" interpretation in the same way Batman or the Hulk have. This was the comic adaptation equivalent of poodle rock; you hate it but you can't help humming along. Apropos of nothing, it appears to me that the first comic adaptations of this decade had some real vision underpinning them because there was nothing to lose. As they slowly exerted a stranglehold over the summer, particularly the diminishing-in-quality Marvel ones, the pressure was on to get them out quickly. This entailed jettisoning the policy of courting proven indie directors in favour of getting in people who could get them out in time and on budget. Despite the unwarranted vitriol directed towards 'Superman Returns' (which is basically an obviation of latent theological tropes that have persisted in comics for years) Tim Story is no Bryan Singer... which is a BAD thing. The problem is, in fiscal terms the old policy worked with the exception of 'Hulk', which I frankly dug, unpopular an opinion though that may be. One set of bad box office receipts and the major studios went scurrying away from indie directors to guys who wouldn't argue with "the formula"; directors like Brett Ratner who would rather have a pied-a-terre in Tribeca than the respect of their peers. Christopher Nolan made the superhero flick against which all others (IMHO) should be measured, and that was very recently. Favreau will do a good job with 'Iron Man', but the prospect of Louis Letterier on 'Incredible Hulk' frankly brings me out in dork hives. There were problems with the 2003 'Hulk' adaptation, sure, but they were mitigated by respect for the source material, which <gasp!> wasn't the sixties' iteration of Hulk. The fact is, people wanted a Stan Lee 'Hulk' and they got a Peter David one. Now the elephant in the room where Stan Lee is concerned is that (drumroll please as I place my head in the stocks...) Stan Lee was writing to feed his kids, whereas Peter David was writing because he loves the shit out of the medium and wanted to retrofit the Hulk concept with a soupcon of dignity. If Stan Lee genuinely loved comics, would he have agreed to preside over that grotesque reality TV superhero show? No. It meant he could dig himself out of a costly legal battle without bankrupting himself. Fair enough. Neither motive is deserving of scorn. For the record, it's my belief that the best exegesis we've seen of the FF on film isn't in any of their films; it's in Ang Lee's beautiful 'Ice Storm'. I think comic adaptations point to an approaching definitive branching point in comics fandom, where the fans will be riven into two camps: the first believe comics are a major source of cultural commentary and their adaptations should be treated accordingly by directors who can mine the source material for resonances with the human condition. The second, who are no less "right" couldn't give a liana-swinging jungle-fuck about credibility and simply want the medium they love to reach as broad an audience as possible. So... if comics are simply entertainment, FF: ROTSS delivers. If, on the other hand, comics are a viable mode of cultural reflection - "art" if you will - then we're in trouble and only Johnny Favs and Chris Nolan can save us now.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu - fanboy? plant? 10 yrs old?

    by flipster

    your video game name is lame, btw....work for a studio or just a sycophant looking for cred with the meat-puppets you adore? c ya dweeb, thanks for the love.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    RE: $57,400,000 = Failure.-WTF are you talkin' about!

    by warpspasm

    The movie is a major hit for fox-it cost them $130 mil-so they've pretty much made half their money back in 3 days.-stop trying to be an industry 'expert'. here's a reality check: Superman Returns= failure.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    near perfect comic character adaptation

    by aboriginal

    This time Story got it on the nose, really damn good and worth a second watch. Only bother is Alba is as miscast as Berry as Ororo - shoulda been a more true-to-look like Brandi Web or better Angela Bassett. Here someone like Charlize Theron - a real blonde that won't show the wig - would've made more sense instead of the "star vehicle" approach with Alba. She was great nonetheless where Berry was not. A real well done story - good to keep Doom out of the trailers - and great effects. This was damn good.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Was The Watcher really in this film?

    by thethedew

    The world wonders.

  • June 17, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    $57 million = more than 1st FF opening

    by arjaybee

    This movie will perform as well as the first FF did 2 years ago here in the States and even better internationally. That equals success.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Harry's take on this is very close to my own...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... the worst things in the movie are Julian McMahon's performance as Doom, (why don't they just call him "Doom" or "Dr. Doom" instead of "von Doom"? stupid!) and the ridiculous contacts they make Jessica Alba wear... I mean if Alicia can be black, why does Alba have to be (badly) disguised as a caucasian? They didn't bother to bleach Chris Evan's hair to make him look more like the comic book Johnny Storm. I know they are brother and sister, but why not say one of them was adopted or something? She just looks like a Latina dressed up to look anglo and it's as creepy as a white guy in black face. Other than that the movie was fine... I would have liked to have seen Galactus, and seen Frankie become His new Herald... I hoped that's why she's in this movie. Hopefully Harry's right, and we will see these things in a sequal. One other nitpick... the Japanese at the wedding would have been really creeped out by the FF logo up in the sky... 4 is like the worst bad-luck omen in Japan. It's the sign of death.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    FF/SILVER SURFER opens HUGE ($57.4 million)

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Holy crap! Meanwhile, HOSTEL 2 scratched-out only chicken feed (less than $3 million) during its second week. Look for Eli Roth at a town near you (flipping burgers). Note: I'm no fan of the FF franchise but the initial gross exceeded everyone's expectations (OCEAN'S 13 debuted with a comparatively paltry $39 million. I don't understand how a movie fueled on vanity can collect that much coin; then again, Clooney's movies have pretty much tanked without the support of big names).

  • June 17, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Even though I reviewed

    by emeraldboy

    this on this site. I saw it with my mate. we both agreed that there were things we liked and there were things we didnt like for different reasons. But we were both agreed on one the effects were great and a great improvement. I sincerely hope that fox. Go all out and raise the bar with the third one. I thiink they will make SS spin off first. the third film will be I believe the one where doom destroys latveria and in seeking revenge on the fantstic Four, attempts to destroy the earth. You can expect doom as he was meant to be. They are going in that direction. after the pummeling he got by the fantastic. expect some payback. The third one will be the one where doom gets his metallic seat.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Oceans 13

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Saw it today. Very good movie. And Pacino is not a "big name"? for me the Oceans movies have been about the coolness factor, guys most of us would like to be, smooth jet hopping con men baggin hot babes. It was a solid film, that is the death of the franchise, and also totally fucking up my summer box office pool. FF2 is going to come in around the totals of the first, next weekends offerings aren't great. and Sunday numbers are always that way, by the way. Unless Monday is a holiday.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Good SOLID Entertainment

    by bythehairofsanjaya

    Just got back from F4 and it was an extremely enjoyable movie. The conception of Galactus was fine. I really didn't know what to expect with all the hate being generated on this site, but he came across perfectly fine for the intent, logical and consistent as judeged within the F4 universe. The humor, which has been so trashed in the talkbacks was spot on. My wife was constantly laughing out loud. Ben's "my bad" that was so universally trashed (before the movie even came out) was spot on and totally in character. Further, kids in the audience absolutely LOVED, I repeat, LOVED it. And that's a big part of what its all about. You 20 somethings (I assume) forget what it's like being a kid and all you spew is hate for hate's sake. It's like you predetermine to hate everything and then go from there. The Silver Surfer rendering was also great. Were there problems? Sure, shameless product placement, gratitous male fur shots (excuse me a shower exit in the middle of a labratory? But overall an excellent hour or so spent at the movies. So grab a son or nephew and go and have a great afternoon at the movies. And this CD is definately going in my SCI FI collection. So Boo Ya to all the haters. BTW, light years better than Spidey 3.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    But when are getting a remake of CONDORMAN

    by antonphd

    That's the comic movie I want to see.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Chris Evans, on the other hand...

    by alexpaknadel

    deserves an "Actor Retaining Most Dignity in Otherwise Lacklustre Film" Oscar. There really should be awards for actors who slum it but make everyone else look even worse because they're watchable. I think Cillian Murphy's a great actor, but in 'Sunshine', Evans acted him into the trailers. That boy will go far.

  • June 17, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    man

    by FirstManReturns1

    the only franchise i have faith for anymore is the batman one. all of the others have gone to shit. why do you guys still go and support these movies?

  • June 17, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Cause

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    We're FAN boys. And I agree with ya on Batman, watching Begins right now. I just pray Dark Knight is as good. All hinges on the Joker and his origin.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins...

    by alexpaknadel

    Is not only a great film, it's also the best post-9/11 film made thus far.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Rachel Dawes

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Watching Begins right now and there was nothing wrong with Katie Holmes in that role. I don't think we can look at her without taking into account the sad fucking mess Tom Cruise has made of her life.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Maria Bello in 'A History of Violence'...

    by alexpaknadel

    was great comic book female casting. Jennifer Connelly was a pretty damn good Betty Ross, too.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    This movie craps on both Pirates and Spiderman

    by Silly Bollocks

    You know i went to this movie thinking it would be crap, But i had a choice of Ocean's 13 or this and this was on the time I arrived at the picture house. And basically it was good, it was really good. And when the audience clapped and cheered at the end I thought, 'Yes general public that movie deserved a round of applause.' So yes i walked out of there not feeling that usual fart follow through shitty disapointment i'm used to this days and how I felt after both Spiderman and even more so with what was once the best movie francise in the world Pirates! anway its good, go and see it. Plus Transformers looks great!

  • June 17, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Katie Holmes couldn't hold her own...

    by alexpaknadel

    against Oldman, Caine, Bale, Murphy, Wilkinson, Freeman, Hauer... these are all actors with SERIOUS gravitas. Maggie Gyllenhall can more than keep up, though. I have every faith her Dawes will be a match for the heavy hitters. She's a wonderful actor.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Rogue? Betty Ross?

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Paquin was a great Rogue. Connelly was a fine choice for Ross. MJ should have been Nikki Cox. The whole point of MJ was she was a superhot model/actress that no nerd would ever get. Nikki Cox is a smokin hot redhead who Bobcat fuckin Goldthwaite got to bang for a few years. Nuff said there.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    WHY RECAST DAWES?

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Fuck, I thought that was just rumor! Just have the great Maggie play another female in Bruces life, god knows he's had a bunch of them.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah, forgot about Paquin

    by alexpaknadel

    Singer was wise to bridle Berry as Storm. It felt in X3 as though she was parroting lines that were hastily rewritten for her when contract negotiations were underway. Oh, and back to FF... Doug Jones should be in EVERYTHING.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    FF2 much better than SM3. But Pirates > both.

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Come on! Yeah it was a little long in the middle, and a little frantic at the end, but I loved me some Pirates, fave movie of the summer so far, though I've yet to see Knocked Up.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Re: WHY RECAST DAWES?

    by alexpaknadel

    I think she was offered the role but turned it down so she could concentrate on becoming a third level Thetan or something. I take what you're saying about Maggie assaying another role, though. She could have been Vicki Vale or even Selina Kyle with no problems. As it is, I'm glad they've found an actor of her calibre to round out the cast. Rachel Dawes isn't just feisty, she's got to be credible as an assistant DA. I didn't buy Holmes in that role for a second. She's not a bad actress, true... I thought she was good in 'Go', but this character has to be badass. Maggie can do badass.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Katie

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Loved her in Go. LOVED her in Disturbing Behavior, so trailer park sexy. Plus you get Jimmy Marsden and Bill Sadler and Nick Stahl. Disturbing Behavior, a guilty pleasure indeed!

  • June 17, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Katie Holmes--

    by thegreatwhatzit

    is toast. Every time some tabloid tries to drag Tom Cruise out of the closet, he hooks-up with some hotty (former spouse, Nicole Kidman, has been planted in the "bi" camp; ditto Penelope Cruz. His performance on the Oprah show was both desperate and shameless). I thought Holmes was a good actress but she's now a slave to Cruise's Scientology.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Hmm, never seen 'Disturbing Behaviour'

    by alexpaknadel

    ...but Bill Sadler has the most evil, sinewy face in film. He smiles and you want your mom. I shall check it out. How fucking cool was Nick Stahl in 'Carnivale'? Man I miss that show. Good thing Clea Duvall's got 'Heroes' and 'Zodiac' to fall back on. She deserves more screen time than she gets. She would make a fantastic, oddly sexy Callisto in my dream X3 redux directed by Singer.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Spidey3Sucked?

    by alexpaknadel

    Spidey 3 fucking sucked.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Romijn(sp) was great as Mystique.

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    I'd FUCK that for a dollar!!

  • June 17, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    AMEN ALEX

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Yup, it did

  • June 17, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Re: Oh, and Romijn(sp) was great as Mystique.

    by alexpaknadel

    Even when she's assumed the guise of Hugh Jackman? Dude. Weak.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    How is it a failure at this point? Don't be silly...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Allpowerful, give me a break. If it makes $58 million for the opening weekend -- and keep in mind it IS a holiday weekend with Father's Day cutting into things a bit -- then it's still on pace to do BETTER than the first one, which made $56. So if it holds fairly steady bother here and then abroad internationally when its released, you'd basically have a movie that makes about the same as the first one -- which Fox considered a hit. Toss in DVD sales (where FF1 likewise did very well) and Fox won't be crying over this at all.<p>As Warpspasm accurately notes, this is far, far from a SUPERMAN RETURNS type failure. Then again the problem with SUPERMAN RETURNS wasn't that its box office was even bad (in terms of people who went to see it). What sunk SR is they simply spent too damn much making it. Case in point: spending $10 million on a Krypton sequence that wasn't used in the film AND which Singer didn't even want on the DVD as a "deleted scenes" selling point. That was just plain stupid cash burning on Singer's part, and if I was the Warner's brass I'd want to string his balls up just for that alone.

  • June 17, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Did you notice in the Superman Returns Teaser...

    by alexpaknadel

    that there's about half a second of the Krypton sequence? You can see a tiny spaceship probing a crevasse. I would have loved to have seen it, but hopefully it'll be in 'Man of Steel' as a flashback, which means they can slash the budget on that one a bit. What IS interesting, I think, is that films like Spidey 3 (which sucked) and SR have set a precedent for superhero flick budgets. I think it's amazing that something like FF2 or Iron Man, both of which have budgets north of 100 Million fucking dollars, are now considered relatively mid-budget. Things, quoth Brett Easton Ellis, are getting out of hand...

  • June 17, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Dawes and Dent?

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    So with Maggie in as Rachel Dawes, does that mean she is still assistant , now under Dent, or is she running against him? Plus Iron Man? WAY hard to predict the box office for that one. Certainly not Spiderman numbers, shouldn't even be as good as FF numbers, based on the poularity factor. But Ghost Rider fucked up that theory, so who knows?

  • June 17, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Sorry, 57.4 million is not huge.

    by lost.rules

    It's pretty good. But it's no 130 million dollar opening. Christ Shrek the Turd did better than that.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Re: thegreatwhatzit

    by alexpaknadel

    I agree that Holmes' career is probably circling the drain. However... imagine the clutch of awards the all grown up Dakota Fanning's gonna get for playing Katie in her very public decline in the 2018 Tom Cruise biopic! I daresay she's practising that annoying tongue-through-teeth smile thing Holmes does already.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    57.4 ain't awful, either

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Beat the first movie by 3 million. And speakin for the Tri State area, it was gorgeous out, save a few thunder boomers, and the Yankees are playing the Mets. That cut down the box office round these parts.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    57 million = failure? Bwa-ha-aha!

    by Boondock Devil

    As Keith Griffen would write. It'll be interesting to see what kind of legs this movie has considering the first FF just seemed to hang around the top 10 for awhile when that came out.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    lost.rules

    by Boondock Devil

    You also have to keep in mind that FF2 only cost around 130 mil to make which is nearly nothing compared to the budgets of Pirates and Spidey 3. I understand there's marketing and whatnot also but I find it hard to believe it won't make that up on worldwide release and DVD sales.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Indeed...

    by Quintus_Arrius

    My wife liked it. <P> Alas, I did not.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Opening weekends

    by alexpaknadel

    If memory serves, Batman Begins didn't get crazy opening numbers, but word of mouth kept it in theaters for fucking months. I went to see it about four times, and the last time I did that was for Fight Club and Donnie Darko. Studios seem to be obsessed with opening weekends and forget about returning numbers. The marketing, after all, can only get people in the theater for the opening night. Once people have seen it (back to Memflix, I guess), the asthmatic, threadbare cat is out of the bag. Now I didn't think this FF was that bad, but I wouldn't see it again. That's it. They've had my six pounds sterling and I won't get the DVD. To date, I've spent about thirty-five pounds on Batman Begins. The original FF movie is available on a three-for-two in my local convenience store. Over the lifetime of the DVD format, Batman Begins and the first X movies will slowly but surely become goldmines. It's a shame Tom Rothman et al don't have that kind of vision; answerable to Murdoch I guess, who I remember fired Bill Mechanic over Fight Club... even though, surprise surprise, that 1999 film has spiralled into profit and is considered a Generation X classic. I wonder how many other great films have had good executives fired.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    alexpaknadel

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    K, with the mention of Fight Club and Darko, you are definitely on the same page, movie wise, as I am. And I was 5 times for Batman Begins, 2 of them in IMAX. Only other movie I saw that many times was Memento, also, of course a Nolan offering. And The Prestige was the 2nd best movie of 06, behind the winner, The Departed.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    You all say Harry isn't a real critic?

    by pjdon

    Just because he doesn't moan too much about changes from the comics in terms of Galactus? Just because he said he had fun?<p>Everyone should go over to Empireonline or Total Film websites, they are real critics, they too had fun and said it was better than the 1st one.<p>Will I like this film?<p>Probably not, but I will probably have a bit of fun as I did with the first one.<p> I just think they should invest a FF film with some of the same emotion and depth they managed to invest into the Incredibles.<p>But i'm not gona slag Harry just because he didn't say it was the worst film he has ever seen.<p>A lot of you will do that knowing that you have sat through a lot worse (Batman & Robin?).<p>A good critic is someone who leaves their ego and bitchiness at the door and tries to see the best in everything he watches.<p>You people only seem to attack a reviewer if they like a film and NEVER if they are over critical.<p>Thats just childish.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Yankees and Mets?

    by alexpaknadel

    That would be that cricket-like game you Americans play that doesn't involve insanely talented men kicking a ball, right? Love the gloves, though. Love 'em. Well, we had torrential rain in the UK, so we all went to the flicks to remember what the sun's like. Lotta sunshine in FF:ROTSS. Oddly enough, though, the Thames valley still has water in it and the goofy ferris wheel we've got stacked beside it is still standing. Movies LIE, dammit!

  • June 17, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Um, yeah

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    As a Brit movie fan, would you join me in a rousing cheer of "MADONNA FUCKED UP GUY RITCHIE AS A DIRECTOR FOR ALL TIME"? Fucking madge, silly whore. Ya think Sean Penn would have called to give Ritchie some advice. And wait...THAT FUCKING FERRIS WHEEL IS REAL?? Wow, doesn't seem a proper British attraction to me. But what does a Yank know?

  • June 17, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    pjdon...

    by alexpaknadel

    Criticism can't be balanced by dint of what is, I guess. I'm not slating Harry's review AT ALL. I agree with it for the most part. He expected a three flush megashit and got an enjoyable family film. Fair play. I think criticism's more vital than ever now purely because the marketing shills have tried to convince us that every churned-out, shrinkwrapped turd is going to change our lives. I remember very clearly the posters for Alien vs. Predator here in the UK. The "critical" blurb on the poster read "The ultimate grudge match between two of cinema's greatest monsters" or something equally facile. Who wrote the review? In teeny, tiny font at the far right, we see... Paul WS Anderson. Yup. He blurbed his own piss-poor unwatchable movie. THAT'S where critics should sharpen their knives, and thank Christ some of them do. Same goes for 'Vanilla Sky'. That piece of shit purported to answer everything from why we're here to whether Greedo shot first. It didn't. It was about as profound as Paris Hilton. Again, critics saved me from forking out my hard-earned and I caught it on the boob tube for NOTHING. If only I'd read a review of 'Ultraviolet' before I almost ate my own eyes in despair at the celluloid monstrosity that film was. And as for criticising the critic... well, "who watches the Watchmen" brother?

  • June 17, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Ah well Vanilla Sky....

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Is where we differ, fucking love that movie. LOVE it.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Spidey3sucked...

    by alexpaknadel

    Yeah, 'The Prestige' owned 2006 for me. Was 'Pan's Labyrinth' '06 too, 'cos that's a contender as well? And like most Brits, I think the good stuff that comes out of the US eclipses our home-grown product. For years we've evangelised about how great our TV drama and comedy shows are, but then the magic that is HBO hits us with Oz, The Sopranos, The Wire, Carnivale and Mr Show, and Sci-Fi hits us with the new Battlestar Galactica, all of which are twice as intelligent as anything Europe pumps out. Embarrassing really. The "Americans are stupid" refrain is only fashionable in the ranks of the stupid... but you probably shouldn't let Bill O'Reilly become your ambassador to anywhere anytime soon, 'kay? ;-) And if you're aching for some Guy Ritchie goodness that isn't tainted by Lady Madge of the Manor (how grating is that fucking accent?), check out a Virgin comic called 'The Gamekeeper'. It's a Guy Ritchie plot scripted by an English comic writer called Andy Diggle. It's old-school Ritchie, which means there will be blood. Oh yes, there will be blood. Finally, yes that dumb fucking wheel is real. It was considered a more worthwhile millennium investment by our government than closing the largest child poverty gap in "rich" Europe. Good to know we've got our priorities straight.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Not saying critics are infallible and should not be

    by pjdon

    watched. It just seems that people on here are very negative if a reviewer says they enjoy anything.<p>Like I said (and Harry said) FF should be a million times better but it could be a trillion times worse.<p>As for the review on the back of the AVP dvd, it's not actually Paul WS Anderson, just Paul Anderson, it's just a coincedence.<p>Although I did laugh my ass of when I first saw it on my copy. Yes i did buy it, it was cheap, and it is in my list of best movies to fall asleep to. You know them movies which are so dull and predictable but slighty enjoyable, the ultimate cure for insomniacs.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Subtitles!

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    I can't get past the subtitles! Rented Pan's and Apocolypto but I'm always on the computer whilst I watch movies, so subtitles are hard. But I do intend to watch Pan's at some point. Also, not to be the gayest of fanboys, but what would be the best way to get your e-mail address if you were so inclined? A like minded Brit who I could gripe to about movies seems like a good idea.

  • June 17, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    You loved Vanilla Sky?

    by alexpaknadel

    I guess I was just expecting a bigger payoff than the Dallas "it was all a dream" thing. Plus, if you're gonna have a twist, don't explain it while you're doing it. I think it galled me so much because I thought it was building up to something that was seriously going to have me leaving with my jaw in a separate taxi. As it was, it was a twist out of a cereal packet. Not saying I could have done better, mind, and smarter people than me like it, but it let me down horribly. Plus... God, I gotta say it... Cruise annoys the hell out of me. I just read smug satisfaction into his every gesture. He just strikes me as the kind of actor who's never NOT acting, you know? I wanted to care about his David character, but I just couldn't. And Penelope Cruz was trying to be all profound, but I've heard more profundity out of an ATM.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    That WASN'T Paul WS Anderson?

    by alexpaknadel

    Well spank my arse and call me a bitch. I've been dining out on that "fact" for fucking years! I'm an idiot. I'm not imagining that the movie sucked too, am I? And yeah, while I've only just started "contributing" (that's what I'm generously calling these ramblings), I've been reading for years and people can get pretty hostile. Still, I'm amazed the mods keep their cool as much as they do. If anyone called me a fat fuck online, I'd probably cry (mainly 'cos I'm 161 Ibs). The mods here seem very zen about the whole thing. Quite admirable.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    alexpaknadel - sorry about

    by pjdon

    the P W S Anderson fact, I was quite upset when I realised it wasn't him. It is probably the kind of thing he would have done aswell.<p>You're also right in that Harry takes his slagging very well, i'm sure he has had many upset times over all the people here but he gets plenty of respect of fellow critics and people in the industry so I'm sure he rises above it all.<p>Like I have said before, there are a lot of people who cannot look at a film objectively. A film is either 'COMPLEATLY GAY/CRAP/SHIT!' or 'THE BEST FILM EVER!'<p>There is no accounting for the fact that no film really fits into either of these catagories. You look at user reviews on web sites and people either give 1-2 stars or 9-10 stars for every review they post, it's just lazy critisim and far to easy to dissmiss a film right off.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Bring on The U-FOES!

    by thevision

    I felt the same way Harry and the bald guy substitute at Ebert&Roeper, it was a fun movie...besides I was in a good mood because the boss gave us an early day on Friday. It has no competition for at least 2 weeks and hasn't been released overseas yet so I'm betting FF2 will be considered a hit and they'll release FF3 in summer of '09. The budget ceiling for FF is approx 150 million, Inhumans and their city of Attilan would be too expensive so they are out and Sub-Mariner has his own film at another studio...soooo, howabout the U-Foes? To the non-comic fans, the U-Foes were introduced in the Hulk comics in the early eighties as an evil version of the FF. The members are team leader Vector(Reed's counterpart), Vapor(Sue's counterpart), X-Ray(Johnny's counterpart) and Ironclad(Ben's counterpart). I've always loved superhero team vs. super-villain team battles when they are evenly matched, more visually appealing than X3's prison yard gang fight. Vector using TK to shred Reed's elastic body, Sue using her force field to contain Vapor, the Torch and X-Ray's aerial combat- flames burst vs. radiation blasts! And finally, we see the Thing having a knockdown allout brawl against Ironclad, total brute force- they haven't shown what Ben can really do in the movies. C'mon, if they have something like this for part 3, the haters would forgive 1 and 2.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Re: Subtitles

    by alexpaknadel

    Hey, I made a friend! A real one who isn't dead or in my mind or anything! I must tell my dead mother down in the basement. Nah, alex@goodcatbadcat.com will reach me fine. Go ahead. And go easy on the gays, man. Those dudes come in for a haaaard time on fanboy sites :-) As for watching subtitled films, believe it or not they make great date movies. Give it a go, you'll see what I mean. There's no fucking way I'd take a girl to a superhero flick again at the very least. I took a girl to see X2; big mistake. It was so good, I was losing my shit all over the place, laughing and clapping with dork glee and she thought I was behaving like a fucking twelve year old. Which I was. But fuck it, Logan's bezerker rage in the mansion owned all seven varieties of ass.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    the prestige

    by FirstManReturns1

    one of my favorite movies of all time. loved everything nolan has done so far, he's my favorite director. the departed was OK. thought the screen play was weak. but because scorcese was directing andk was the baddie everyone gave it way to much credit imo.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Madonna

    by emeraldboy

    The good news her acting career is over. the bad news. She is stepping behind the camera. I am not making this shit up. Madonna is making her debut as a director. Rupert everett will be in it. I cant remember what the film is about. it will come and go in a day. her career will be over that quickly.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    female mis-casting

    by thevision

    I agree with posters above, they can't seem to get it right when it comes to females in comic book movies. Jolene Blalock would have made a better Jean Grey in X-Men, Rhona Mitra should have been Elektra and Kirsten Dunst should have played Gwen Stacy, killing her off like in the comics for Spidey 3 while introducing Megan Fox as MJ.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    pjdon...

    by alexpaknadel

    Yeah, I think people are more likely to criticise the critic than the film these days, but Harry, Mori et al are laughing because at the end of the day they get to hang out with undeniably cool movie people and see rough cuts of movies we'd gnaw off our nipples to see a month ahead of schedule. So they have to put up with some knee-jerk invective from someone they'll never meet once in a while? Who cares? It isn't them animated in the top left of this here window. I take issue with the possibility that a film can be viewed "objectively" though. Nobody sits down to make a film and says "let's make a complete sockful of jizz that nobody in their right mind would pay to see". In the main, visions get compromised, too many people get involved and that pesky '$' sign supervenes. However, when you make a film, it's only ever gonna be subjectively assessed because it's a subjective medium. You can make an educated guess as to what makes a good film, but sometimes the stars are just in the right alignment and you get 'Apocalypse Now'. Other times... MOST of the time, you get Scary Movie 4. If we're dispassionate about a medium that should and does make us passionate as hell (I'm talkin' Italian levels here), sometimes it's gonna get ugly in here. Where I agree with you, however, is the lambasting of films sight unseen, which I gather is your point. Saying that, it's no stretch to assume that a Paul WS Anderson film or the latest instalment in the 'Saw' franchise will be about as palatable as raw sewage. God, I'm really showing my pussy liberal colours here, aren't I? Why do conservatives get to chomp stogies and rant while we just try and calm everybody down and give 'em a nice back rub, huh?

  • June 17, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    female miscasting

    by FirstManReturns1

    imo the worst case of female mis casting was with Kirsten Dunst as Mary Jane in Spider-man. I mean, how do you miss so badly on that one? The comics pretty much clearly define MJ and the way she acts, and they still weren't even close.

  • June 17, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    So, Spidey3SUCKED...

    by Bass Bastardson

    What you are saying is that you are a retard with ADD, is that it? If you can't watch a movie with subs because you are usually on your computer when you watch movies, then I've got news for you - you're not watching the movies - you are listening to them. Turn away from your computer and look at the fucking TV for a couple hours. It can't be that hard can it?

  • June 17, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    This movie is for 8-12 year old boys

    by Jon E Cin

    I cannot believe harry actually liked it. It's a lame movie.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    alexpaknadel...

    by thegreatwhatzit

    May have to wait until 2018, but the prosed Dakota Fanning "Tom Cruise" bio is among the few films I'd look forward to screening (of course, the Scientologists will rush their own adulation into production, TOM CRUISE: THE BOY, THE MAN, THE LEGEND. They'll insist Cruise's humiliating "Oprah" spectacle was an illusion prompted by Martian hula dancers. Cruise should just come out of the closet and be done with it; his alliance with Scientology, which has no tolerance for gays, is just a defense mechanism). For my money, Neil Marshall--one of your own countrymen--is this generation's best director (DOG SOLDIERS kicks ass). A true pity that Lionsgate didn't lavish THE DESCENT with the same scale of p.r. that was wasted on HOSTEL 2 (a critical/commercial flop). It's also a pity that Lionsgate omitted Marshall's original ending (the asswipes at Lionsgate didn't even understand the movie).

  • June 17, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Female miscasting

    by alexpaknadel

    I think Dunst has been let down by the script again and again. She's had Hallmark valentines card dialogue in all three films, and an actor is rarely better than their script. Her job is basically to be professionally in peril... constantly. Watching the latest farrago in the franchise, I actually felt that Topher would have made a better Peter Parker too. She makes a good stab at scenery chewing, but her character is basically a passel of strung-together cliches that no woman you know would ever think, let alone say.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Nova is in this movie!

    by Warcraft

    The female military commander that human torch hits on, is Frankie Raye, the next herald of galactus! Sweet! Anyway, I thought the movie was awesome.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Anybody see Holmes and Cruise at the Bernebau today

    by Pennsy

    When Real Madrid clinched their 30th Spanish La Liga title? Good for Becks; a real Ted Williams way to go out - a winner's medal in his final RM game. Now he can rest and get ready for MLS. WAR MADRIDISTAS! :D

  • June 17, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    57 Million = Success/Sequel

    by versatol

    It outperformed the first one, which had worse reviews and bad word-of-mouth, yet still grossed over $150 million. This one will have better legs since it is a MUCH better flick, will have more repeat viewings, better word-of-mouth, weak competition (Evan Almighty? Please...), Alba looks way hotter (somehow), international gross will huge, and DVD sales through the roof (like the first one, which was Fox's biggest selling DVD of all time). FF4 doesn't need to make over $100 mil in opening week like Spider-man and Pirates because it cost half as much as those movies, idiots and naysayers. Fox reps have already proclaimed they are thrilled and prepping the sequel. Get the rights to Namor and let's get on part 3!

  • June 17, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    So...Bass Bastardson

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Go FUCK yourself?

  • June 17, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Oh man, The Descent

    by alexpaknadel

    Sorry Harry, but the unexpurgated version of 'The Descent' we got over here was so fucking scary it makes Hostel 2 look like fucking Paint Your Wagon. Totally with you on Neil Marshall, and not just because he's a fellow colonial oppressor. The Descent was a perfect horror movie in that its real scares came from its intelligence. If you look at the scene where the lead is in the hospital, I think it's clear that the whole cave setup isn't really happening at all. This is a film about finding the nasty, pallid little flesheaters we really are when we're left alone to ourselves in the dark. This is a film about how when it comes down to it, nothing is forgiven if you can't forgive yourself. Nothing. I've noticed, actually, that there's a pronounced divergence in British and American attitudes to horror in recent years. Think about 'The Descent' and '28 Days Later'. In both cases, the turn or volta is where the lead character BECOMES what they're fighting. Jim only saves his friends from the infected by becoming indistuinguishable from them, and in the Descent, Sarah only begins to claw her way out when she bathes or is baptised in that blood swamp, looking exacly like one of the crawlers. In both of those films, the message is essentially that vanquishing the inhuman carries a price; our own humanity. Our horror films, I suppose, are always warning us that the enemy is always closer to home than we like to acknowledge in our oh-so civilised society of tea on the lawn and biscuits. As a pretty obsessive David Cronenberg fan, I think horror is perhaps the best genre for exploring human nature. In horror, we get to see the naked ape that is us, y'know?

  • June 17, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    One of the WORST movies ever made. Period. A Disgrace.

    by Behemoth

    I just saw this slimy piece of worm-ridden filth today. Harry, it saddens me that you would give any semblance of a positive review to this garbage. It deserves, as a WHOLE, absolutely no support whatsoever. <p>I say " as a whole," because, yes, the Surfer looked great and there were a few other miniscule elements that were fleetingly interesting. Fishburne's voice was a great choice. The Thing looked decent and is perfectly cast, as is the Torch. And that's about where any praise ends. <p>The abominable portrayal of "Dr. Doom" alone should render anyone who cares about the subject matter unable to "have a good time" with this movie. One of my favorite comic villains of all-time, reduced to a preening meterosexual pussy with a voice that wouldn't inspire fear in a gagged Gary Coleman. I think Massawyrm said it, and he said it best: "A complete disrespect for these characters and this franchise." <p>In fact, the movie basically succeeded in making me HATE pretty much every member of the F4. They are TOTALLY unlikeable. I was praying the Surfer would wipe out every one of them early, and we'd get a compassionate cut to black, roll credits. Reed is a complete buffoon, Johnny's narcissism becomes overplayed very quickly to the point of him seeming to be WAYYY too much of a douchebag, Alba looks like one of the Wayans Bros. in "White Chicks" ...just horrible. <p>The action scenes are the worst I've seen in years. NOTHING stands out here besides the admitteldy well done chase between Surfer and Torch. Other than that, totally uninspired and unimaginative. <p>Why does the freaking head army dude keep treating the F4 like they are totally useless? What the hell did the Surfer DO at the end to stop Galactus? Who the fuck knows. And GaLACKtus was really one of the biggest movie letdowns ever. <p>Once again, Hollywood takes incredible source material and turns it into utter helgramite spittle. <p>I hope this thing tanks and there is not another one made with this cast and this "braintrust." Shit filmmaking at its absolute, unequivocal best. And anyone who can't see that wears his ass for a hat.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Hey, Spidey3SUCKED

    by alexpaknadel

    Seriously, drop it man. It wasn't cool but it's not like you guys drink in the same bar. The only reason I have to read subtitles is because I'm too fucking lazy to learn another language and watch the films without. Same goes for others if you follow me.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Behemoth

    by alexpaknadel

    "Alba looks like one of the Wayans Bros. in "White Chicks" Just made me laugh 'til it hurt. Thanks for the internal haemorrhaging, asshole ;-)

  • June 17, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Boring

    by IronSpidey

    Mediocre in every way. The Surfer scenes were the only thing that was done well. I have a lot of hope for his movie.

  • June 17, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I disagree and see it as a failure. Here's why.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    We are talking about The Fantastic Four. A beloved comic book and one of the longest running for Marvel. $57million for a comic book movie is considered IMO an under performer. Word of mouth on the movie has not been good at all. Next week that movie will drop below 1st place and maybe I am dead wrong but I would bet on it. Considering that this a sequel it should have done much better. Look at Spiderman 2 for proof. The 1st Fantastic Four was shit, this 2nd installment is much much worse on so many levels. I felt like for one I was watching a suped up Roger Corman movie that was long one advertisement for all the product placement. We have not seen something this bad since Batman and Robin. It's really just a total piece of shit movie. The opening weekend for the 1st FF was $56,061,504, so you are telling me that $1 million more for the 2nd is a success?? No fucking way. If we are going by historical accounting of how most sequels do on their opening weekend this movie has done poorly for an opening weekend and it won't even come close to making what the 1st one did. Again I may be totally wrong and I hope I am not because if ANY comic book movie needs a reboot it's this one. Let it die and let someone else helm it because they've really screwed this one up twice now. Fuck the FF movies. They are terrible.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Oh and one more thing. That dancing scene in FF

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    is by far much much worse then EMO Parker in SP3. It sickened me to see Reed Richards portrayed like that. Total fucking disgrace to the FF legacy. And lets not forget the Stan Lee cameo, a total embarrassment. I mean he actually went by his own name which just cheapens the movie even more. Terrible.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Neil Marshall...

    by thegreatwhatzit

    works without the Eli Roth platitudes (i.e. Roth is slumming, turning modern Grand Guignol into torture porn. He doesn't scare, he repulses. He's a Pete Walker wannabe). THE DESCENT, unlike this summer's "blockbusters", is worthy of repeated viewings (the whole ambiguity about the dwellers. Were they spawned in the hospital? What was the clue? Note that the women are forewarned to hallucinations when they start their odyssey). The Hammer films functioned as metaphors, too (repressed "trophy wives" yielding to liberation [vampirism]). I love British horror, everything from DEAD OF NIGHT (the one-sheet is mounted in my living room) to NIGHT OF THE DEMON (best villian in genre history) to Amicus.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    I actually didnt hate the

    by studio2000

    I actually didnt hate the movie. I guess my expectations were so lowered that it couldnt possibly have gone beneath them. However, one thins really perplexed me. Who were all the asian women at the wedding. I understand they were in (cant remember if it was China or Japan) and they wanted to have a private wedding, but why invite a gaggle of elderly chinese women and children. That really doesnt make sense to me. I actually find Galactus more believable as a storm cloud, then the idea that any of those four have a bunch of old asian friends.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Don't forget, DVD sales are the real money.....

    by Quake II

    Daredevil was a HUGE hit on DVD. Fanboys on here HATED Daredevil but it still turned a great profit. After FF 4 ROTSS leaves the theaters, it will be a MEGA hit with the DVD sales. I'm guessing next weekend will bring in another 25+ million for FF 4. I know that upsets a lot of people on here, but it's true. It's far from a flop.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Dead of Night!

    by alexpaknadel

    Again, GREAT choice. That film scares the piss out of me to this day. The comedy golfing sequence is anomalous, but that's only because the rest of the film is so fantastic. Peter's Mirror, the one in the hospital, the one with the mannequin. Man it's been years since I've seen it, but now that I think about it, I think I'll try and pick it up on Criterion. That film should be seen again. I remember wondering when I first saw it how it was that a guy waking up at midnight in a hospital and opening the curtains to see bright sunshine could be so damn scary. I remember Bernie Wrightson once saying that horror was a well-dressed man standing at a bus stop with a tiny speck of blood on his shoe. Same thing. Viz the Hammer films, I love that in Neil Jordan's 'In the Company of Wolves' the message is to say bollocks to purity and virginity and just fuck the wolf. And finally, I don't think 'The Descent' is conventionally decipherable. It's more a tone piece. If anything, a definitive reading would defeat the object of the film; there can't be closure because the passages and caves of the human psyche are bottomless. It's this whole Jungian cave network where all these archetypes from ancestral memory are coming to get you; guilt personified. In the final sequence when Sarah "escapes" (yeah, right), she's climbing up what amounts to a giant human spine. She's "coming up" through the human unconscious. Don't know whether you guys eventually got the intended ending but (spoilers ahoy!) Sarah crawls out of the caves to safety only to find the rotting, smiling corpse of the woman she has just left to die sitting by her in her car. She then wakes up back in the cave surrounded by the approaching shrieks of the crawlers. Then her dead daughter, inexplicably sitting in front of her, blows out the candles on her birthday cake and they both smile at each other as though nothing's happened. Chills me to the bone just writing about it. Brrrr. Also, the jolts in that film were genuinely high-voltage. I NEVER saw them coming.

  • June 17, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Saw it and liked it (then again I liked the first one)

    by Yeti

    Perfect summer fare.

  • June 17, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    DEAD OF NIGHT

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Thanks for your insight, alexpaknadel. DEAD OF NIGHT's narrative link creeps me out--the interior of the cottage gradually succumbing to darkness as Mervyn Johns and Co. spin their vignettes. And that conclusion where all of the characters (including Hugo) converge on Johns...never equalled. I'm also quite impassioned with SCROOGE (U.S. release title: A CHRISTMAS CAROL), Alastair Sim is truly a Holiday icon. I bought the lobby set and half-sheet...and it was well worth the entire month's starvation. Please ket me know if you ever find any British paper on this title!

  • June 17, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Looks like Harry will keep his job

    by wadi77

    Poor Memflix.

  • June 17, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    AllPowerfulWizardOfOz....

    by warpspasm

    Again..you can rant all you like-the film is still a success for fox..it will make a nice profit... again..a reality check...the amount of money that was spent on supes...the opening weekend of that film is actually worse than ff2's 3 day opening.

  • June 17, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    See Bonecrusher Transforming!!

    by wadi77

    Download & save: <p> http://tinyurl.com/yt5zys

  • June 17, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    The people in my theater clapped too

    by CherryValance

    And it seems like a fair number of people in this talkback enjoyed it. I guess it can't be that bad then. And some of these comments are downright ridiculous, especially the personal attacks. So you didn't like it. You'll live. Maybe one day when some of you hit puberty you'll learn to disagree like adults.

  • June 17, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    FF 2

    by poncelion

    I am 42 years old and grew up with the Lee/Kirby FF , and have to agree with Harry about the movie. It is far from perfect but my son and I enjoyed it more than Spiderman 3 ( which was not a bad movie). I felt giddy as a child when the Silver Surfer and the Fantasticar appeared. Yes, there were the infamous "sitcom" scenes that I would have cut out. But in a nutshell, the movie captured the nature/ essence of the 60's books. Of course there will be the so called "fanboy" who will critize major differences (such as Galactus or the fact the Surfer was separated from the board) or minutia (such as Jessica Alba's eye contacts). To note, there cannot be a perfect comic book movie because through the years ,in both the Marvel and DC universes, there are different interpretations of the comic book characters. You have the originals, or there will be a Dark period,or a version by a creator (such as Byrne , Miller, etc.) and/ or multiverses ( or Ultimate ones). I do respect Massawrym and Memflix's opinions but disagree with them, as the same for Harry's review for Hostel 2. There have been people asking my opinion about the summer movies and so far, my favorites have been Knocked Up , Ocean's 13 , 28 Weeks Later ,FF2 and POTC 3. I am a physician not a movie critic (although the hospital staff treats me their resident movie critic).My word is not stone,so if I recommend or not a movie , does not entitle me to change anyone's opinion.

  • June 17, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    PoeticwarriorII

    by j-bot

    Why are you so pissed that some people actually enjoyed this movie? Who cares if they did. Everybody has different tastes. And plot holes and bad acting doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. Everyone has different tastes. I'm sure there's a movie you like that a lot of people consider a piece of shit. Are you just jealous because some people had fun watching this movie and you couldn't? It's just a movie. People pay money to watch it and escape from reality for a few hours. I'm not trying to pick on just you though. I'm just wondering why people are so angry if someone else enjoys a movie they don't.

  • June 17, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    What is it with some of you people?

    by Darth Mulder

    I have to wonder about some of you people.What is it like to go into every movie that comes out expecting to hate it?Why is it wrong to just sit in a theatre for an hour and a half and just enjoy a movie.I have been a fan of The Fantastic Four since I was about five years old(I'm 38 now)and I have enjoyed both of these films.A lot of you are complaining that Galactus is a cloud instead of a giant with a purple helmet.Well,I hate to tell you,but Galactus looks stupid in the comics and would look totally absurd on the big screen.In fact,if they had shown him as a giant you people would still complain and you know it.What really puzzles me is how many of you say that you've known for a long time that this movie was going to suck and yet you still went to see it anyway.The simple solution for those of you that just can't seem to be able to like any movie you see is to just quit going to see any movies.And one more thing...Memflix got exactly what he deserved!

  • June 17, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    AllPowerfulWizardOfOz a 57.4 mil estimate is not a...

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    failure. its actually a litte more than f4 1 and that made 154 mil here and over 300 mil worldwide. (and did u know f4 1 only cost 80mil to make? howcome everyone was sayin 100 mil plus?) if it doesnt have a 55- 60 percent drop off, prepare for another sequel. that is if everyone wants to comeback.

  • June 17, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    im rethinking f4 2

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    its enjoyable like the first, and johnny and thing still rcok (YA GET IT! THING? ROCK! HAHAHA) and surfer was very cool, but he shouldve done more. so far 300 is the best movie this year though.

  • June 18, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST

    I'm a forgiving cat...

    by SAVOIR_faire

    BUT I can't say I enjoyed FF2 - - It's a ten-year-old's movie, marketed as a mature piece of sci-fi. - - Alba cannot act, and the material she's given to recite isn't really worth speaking anyway. - - Kids will keep the thing profitable though, that's just a fact. In my screening (Santa Monica) Adults rolled their eyes while kids applauded. - - Such is the way of the world. - - But c'mon, better than Spidey 3, not by a longshot. I'd take Peter dancing over Reed any day.

  • June 18, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    The last summer "blockbuster" that I enjoyed--

    by thegreatwhatzit

    was THE SIXTH SENSE, a little movie made for pocket change. The script was uncompromisingly literate. Then there was THE RING--and that's about it. Love it or hate it, FF2 will make a profit and spawn a sequel. I'll personally pass on the film (Alba looks tempestuous but how can this film match her bikini wardrobe from INTO THE BLUE?). I'll also pass on TRANSFORMERS--gladly.

  • June 18, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Question of Credibility

    by joshuaeli23

    I saw FF4-2 because of Harry's review. Because I've, for some reason, always trusted Harry's opinion. For like, 5 years now. But...number 1...I DID enjoy watching the Silver Surfer...but..number 2...the movie was a stinking pile of horsefshit! And it can't be avoided...unless you weren't really paying attention to the movie! I don't think Harry was paying attention! What do you mean, THEY NEVER REFER TO HIM AS GALACTUS?? Did you watch the movie? OF COURSE THEY DO!!! THE SIVLER SURFER USES HIS STOMACH TO SHOW GALACTUS AT WORK AND CALLS HIM GALACTUS YOU IDIOT!!! HAVE SOMEONE CHECK YOUR DAMN REVIEWS BEFORE YOU POST THEM! I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY USE YOUR REVIEWS FOR TV SPOTS. DAMN IT.

  • June 18, 2007, 1:54 a.m. CST

    my opinion on the movie

    by drave117

    Out of the 48 movies I have seen in theaters this year so far, I rank FF:RotSS at number 47. Right between Blood & Chocolate and Epic Movie.

  • June 18, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST

    but...the wedding!!!!

    by SAVOIR_faire

    I can't believe that the 'real' Sue would be whining about the details of a wedding, after the FF have already stopped the apocalypse just last month - - Women all across the globe might be offended at the assumption that they can't prioritize when millions of lives are at stake. (Now Jessica Alba probably couldn't make that call, but Susan Storm would easily put duty to mankind ahead of decorations.) - - Susan and Reed can be at odds, But it could have been about something that doesn't diminish her I.Q.- - (Civil War, right?)

  • June 18, 2007, 4:02 a.m. CST

    point taken

    by SAVOIR_faire

    ...I might have been reading a more juvenile angle into it, because I'm looking at Alba delivering the lines. - - (She does make it sound like pre-teen theatre) - - Although, once it's determined that the global threat is a real one, he still has to sneak around, for fear of wedding-wrath. I dig the idea of the longing for normal life outside the media circus, but even women I know were aware that once you have a PhD and go invisible, normal is a thing of the past. (And after wedding attempt #3, maybe they would have eloped?) - - dunno, just messing around with the writers/studio. I get what they were going for, and even if it played too 'L.C.D.' for my tastes, I never really root against the genre - - I want them to make their money, if only for the sake of OTHER future titles that would suffer if Fox got stingy because of a poor outing by FF

  • June 18, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST

    You showed them bacci40

    by mrfan

    I am sure that they will miss that 100 dollars.

  • June 18, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Elseworlds, What If, Ultimate, Multiverse...

    by B A M F !

    Thinking of it in those terms...and adding to the fact that as Harry said a lot of it does hold true to the Silver Age aesthetic of the comic...I actually almost completely agree with Harry's review. Except for Movie Reed's little bachelor party dance scene...found myself kinda cringing during that but for what it was I enjoyed the Movie. Chiklis' THING abd Evans' TORCH are spot on and They actually got the Surfer right. Seeing it again next weekend.... BAMF!

  • June 18, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Do you lot stop bitching?

    by fatboy_aint_gonna_slim

    It was cool. You haters out there want everything to be comic book perfect. It just aint gonna happen. You go on about the power switch thing, but you want superskrul instead? So you have to add skrulls, who are lets face it, fucking boring. You want the watcher? So you have to do the whole backstory for them, and have a giant with an even bigger babies head telling the FF about Galactus, is it cool and will the next generation appreciate like we have no. Are giant armored space gods cool with this generation? No, hence we get the Ultimate version, Check out when he arrives in the Solar System and you see his shadow on Jupiter, Cover of ultimate extinction. This is a pretty cool Summer flick, Doom sucks, get someone else. Thing needs to be 3 foot taller. But it introduces the FF to a whole new generation, so for fucks sake stop bitching.

  • June 18, 2007, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Oh and Alexpaknadel...

    by B A M F !

    Thanks for the BIG belly lol! I got outta this quote... "There's no fucking way I'd take a girl to a superhero flick again at the very least. I took a girl to see X2; big mistake. It was so good, I was losing my shit all over the place, laughing and clapping with dork glee and she thought I was behaving like a fucking twelve year old. " I took a lovely little non-comic/sci-fi fan female friend to X2 the 1st time. The legendarily KICK ASS "Nightcrawler-storming-the-Oval-Office" opening sequence alone had me convulsing and spazzing out with "dork glee". (ha!) After the sequence I glanced over at my friend and caught myself giggling at the mortified smirk on her face....'cause at that point I think it dawned on her just WHAT she was in for for the rest of the flick ...=D! BAMF!

  • June 18, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Took my 8-yr old daughter on Saturday

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I liked it. She loved it.<p> Almost all the things Behemoth wrote in his review are true. But I went into the theater not expecting very much, save for a mindless superhero movie geared for kids. Kinda like the first one. And that's what we got, only this moved faster than the first one. Was it memorable? Hell no. This isn't a thinking person's superhero movie, just popcorn fare

  • June 18, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    FF2 BETTER THAN PIRATES!! Yup.

    by Roboteer

    Among professional reviewers anyway. FF2's 'cream of the crop' is at 36% on Tomatoes, P3 at 35%. HA! Except for Harry, Marvel was pretty much slammed across the board at AICN lately, while P3 was drooled over. Did I want to see better FF and Spidey flicks this time out? You betcha. But it needs to be kept in perspective or some contributers here are going to lose their credibility. I think if reviewed in a vaccum, FF2 and P3 were not a toss up. I think FF2 was far more entertaining, if far behind SM3. Oh, and the box office is great too. Fox is making so much money, I hear they're giving O'Reilly and Hannity their own Fantasticars. Thank you very much.

  • June 18, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Harry's getting to have the same taste...

    by Kid Z

    ... in movies as Stephen King or Anne Rice. Harry dude... didja shoot up heroin before watching this thing? Because that's the only way I can see that anyone could possibly enjoy this abortion. No, I take that back... described so, it'd give an abortion a good name... at least with an abortion, there's a few meaty chunks of fetus mixed in with all the mucous and uterus lining. Maybe watching it can be compared to actually HAVING an abortion, but that's as far as that goes. This unwatchably bad, so-bad-it-makes-Joel Schumacher-look-like-fuckin'-Orson Welles-in-his-prime, series of still images on celluloid projected onto a screen (it's so bad you can't use the word "movie") is a cinematic afterbirth... a slimey lump of semi-decayed blood and slime. Hell Harry, this puts me off your feeble attempts at reviews forever!

  • June 18, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    AICN AintitCool-O-meter for FF2...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    55% cool...

  • June 18, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    It really wasn't all that bad

    by Abominable Snowcone

    And I actually saw the movie, so at least I can give a valid opinion about it. Reed and Sue are still kinda lame. The Thing is still almost half the size he needs to be (in the movies, he's the shortest of the four). The switching-powers thing worked okay, I think. Some hokey jokes, sure. But like I said before, this is a kid's superhero movie. This is made clear from the beginning, when Reed does some flexi-dancing at his bachelor party. Pure cheese. Ages 6-12 will love it. Anyone older will want a little pathos with their action. Doom sucked again. He was written poorly and that actor just sucks. The Surfer was good though, and Reed's rival in the military was a plausible dickhead. No, we don't know how Surfer stops Galactus--it isn't explained--but who cares? The kids seem to understand that what matters is that Sue and the gang convince him that perhaps heralding destruction for entire planets probably isn't the most noble profession in the universe, and it's no different just because you're doing it to protect your own homeworld. And whoever said to watch for 'the shadow' of Galactus was right--as the cloud passes over Saturn, the shape of the shadow is that of Galactus (the purple guy's)head. My suggestion for FF3? Introduce the Inhumans and Lockjaw.

  • June 18, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Could ANY portrayal of Galactus have been worse than...

    by Behemoth

    ...the way Dr. Doom was portrayed in this piece of crap? I mean, some of you say, "A big purple helmeted giant would've looked stupid." Maybe so, but maybe a true artist could've done it justice. <p>Either way, there is NO WAY in John Goodman's butt cleavage that any artistic portrayal of Galactus could've been worse than this film's vasectomization (yes, I just made that up) of a legendary bad guy. <p>The voice was just beyond belief bad. And then we also get Doom spewing one liners like, "Why don't we all go for a SPIN!" And yet there are trained chimps passing for humans amongst us who LIKE this and give it a PASS??? <p>Hey, forget the Watcher, forget about whether the story is "faithful" to the original. How about we just START with a well-paced film, how about we just START with getting the right guy and voice to play one of the greatest comic badasses of all time, how about we try to make the audience actually LIKE the heroes. This movie was geared toward the children. Yes, the blessed children. Which is no doubt why trailers for cartoons and the "Underdog" movie prefaced this piece of Rosie dropping. <p>And yes, Jessica Alba = the long-lost Wayans Brother in White Chicks. <p>To those who mindlessly support this sloth-fest, I give you the words of the ONLY celluloid villain named Doom who actually ended up kicking ass. First name, "Thulsa." And thus he spake: <p>"Infidel defilers. They shall all drown in lakes of blood." This, I pray, will be Crom's judgment on all who made the final decisions on this movie, and all who have validated their tom-butchery by daring to give this shank of rump roast a good review. <p>CROM FROWN UPON YOU ALL!!!!

  • June 18, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    The sad thing about the success of these films is...

    by kevred

    ...that they don't *need* to be bad movies. They could be even more successful and profitable if they had a good director, a good cast, good writing, and good effects (which neither of these films have). They don't *have* to make movies which are mediocre and piss off so many fans of the source material.<p> But they have done so anyway. They've taken source material that's all but guaranteed success, and instead of trying to make really special movies, they've created something that's no more than a calculated marketing investment.<p>All films are that to some extent, but I just wish that if they're going to be so damned cynical about it, they could leave the really cherished source material alone. They're just cashing in on the imaginations of others, and not living up to its potential.<p>In other words, they're taking the low road, and every single ticket buyer this weekend is voting for that practice.

  • June 18, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    fatboy_aint_gonna_slim...

    by kevred

    ...who on this talkback is bitching more than you, exactly? Just had to point that out.<p>What you call 'haters', we call 'people with standards'.

  • June 18, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    I actually liked it

    by exie

    I HATED the first one with a passion, but somehow this film worked. It's not a classic or anything, but it seemed to me that the actors and the director/writers finally sat down and read the comics and picked up 50% of what we all loved about these stories and used it. It's not a slam dunk, but the movie works as a whole and I think focusing on the Surfer only helped this movie. I mean, yeah, there were cringe worthy moments, but this isn't a pile of shit. I liked it much better than that last Ratner directed X-Men film. I think I may have even liked it better than Superman Returns which I tried to rewatch on Cinemax this weekend and I could barely get through more than 20 minutes of it.

  • June 18, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    kevred, perfect summation

    by Behemoth

    They don't HAVE to be this bad. That's where all the disappointment and anger comes from for me. I'm willing to consider alternate approaches to a beloved story if it's done with passion and with care and respect for the franchise. <p>These corporate shills don't care about making something special, and apparently most of the sheep don't care about watching something special. "It wasn't a complete piece of garbage." "It wasn't as bad as getting your taint scraped with sandpaper." Yeah, great reasons to endorse a movie with a history, a legend and a legacy as beloved as this one. <p>F Youse All.

  • June 18, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Alright punbks what wood you rather have?

    by Borgnine JR

    One night with Alba, anything goes, or the perfect geek fanboy comic book movie that you could watch over and over again? And i agree with Snowcone, it wasn't all that bad. I really laffed when Doom surfed on the board. Maybe I wasn't suppossed to, but I got a big ole belly laff outta that.

  • June 18, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Is it worse than Superman Returns?

    by rhcp2sweet

    Which starred Kal Penn as the Mute Henchman

  • June 18, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Better than emoman 3, that's for damn sure.

    by Warcraft

    And atleast this one actually FEATURES the villian it advertises, not blow him up with a grenade after about 5 minutes of actual screen time.

  • June 18, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    dear god. what a putrid film. what a putrid review.

    by JacksonsPole

    i love how this site gives shit to paul ws anderson and brett retner, but gives glowing praise to this stinking pile of dogshit. this movie was what was wrong with hollywood. bloated, simple minded and completely missing the point. i wanted to kill this movie the whole time i was watching it. the fuc*ing product placement alone is gut wrenching. but, the complete idiotic treatment of it's characters (sue has nothing better to do than complain about her wedding?! she's an f'in scientist!! johnny is a pilot, but doesn't know the difference between army and marines?!!) is unforgiveable. and the fact that harry creams his jeans over this movie is highly disturbing. i have long grown weary of his taste and his hatred of certain filmmakers, but this review has totally turned me off this site. i have lost all respect for this site and it's moderators. totally out of touch with modern cinema...

  • June 18, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Kids and Hacks can be a deadly combo

    by lettersoftransit

    The problem with playing to kids is that it's easy to do passably and hard to do well. And the problem with hacks is that they don't care if they do it well because they're playing to kids. That is what happened here. Not with the entire movie as a whole, but with the surfer story, somewhat, and with the family dynamic story, a whole lot. Watching some of the scenes in this, I couldn't wrap my head around the notion that when they hit save on the keyboard they thought they were done. I don't think it's from lack of talent. I think it's from looking down unneccessarily at the target audience. This is well trod with the footprints of notes given by people who don't really understand why the material works and gave counter-productive notes. Projects like these are prime feeding ground for the marginal creatives because it's so easy to make it fifty percent of what it could be. It was an okay film, and not just to me as a fan of the early FF, but it was only okay to the audience I saw it with, and only okay to the kids I've heard and seen reacting to it. The personal dymanics comedy was supposed to be the reason Story got hired to do this, was actually worse in this film. It was worse than a bad episode of, say, Kim Possible, and not even as good as an average episode of, say, Jimmy Neutron or Ned's declassified guide to middle school. And that's because someone in the process didn't feel it was necessary to put much effort into it.

  • June 18, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Better than superman returns..hands down

    by warpspasm

    and less than half the cost.

  • June 18, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    frg10

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Thanks for the news. After the HOSTEL 2 train wreck, I hope that El Roth's link to "Cell" is indefinitely postponed. By the way, Roth has now sunk to shamelessly begging his "fans" to support the film by paying to see it again! He knows it's a flop and, hence, he declares that the R-rated horror film is imperiled. No, Eli--it's your career that is imperiled. And his link to "Cell" appears to be eroding (thank God). As for F42, the studio is "absolutely ecstatic with the b.o. returns." Maybe I'll watch this thing on my deathbed, it's of no consequence to me.

  • June 18, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Better than Superman Returns?? No effing way...

    by Behemoth

    ...and I thought Superman Returns stunk. But at least it was an honest failure, i.e. I knew someone behind the scenes CARED about the end result and CARED about how the hero would be presented AND had respect for the legacy. <p>Plus, there was not one action element in FF2 that even came remotely close to the Superman Saves the Plane section of that movie. <p>Was Supey Returns a disappointment? Absolutely. But it was a well-intentioned failure. FF2 reeks with an absolute lack of desire to even approach anything resembling a good, let alone great, movie.

  • June 18, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Harry's taste in movies

    by SithMenace

    is very questionable.

  • June 18, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    to those who thought this 'film' was good...

    by JacksonsPole

    you have no love for cinema. this disgustingly perverse practical joke that was foisted upon moviegoers is unforgiveable. how dare they call this giant commercial a comic book adaption! how could anyone like this thing? yes, the silver surfer looked cool. great. but, who cares?! they neuter him half way through in the most ridiculous manner. i mean, he can bend time and space but falls into the FF trap like a moron. then, cannot defend himself. and, those heart to heart scenes with sue are ludicrous!! arrrgh!!! people shit all over the hulk and like this movie?! it just makes studios think they can feed the masses shit and they'll go 'yum!'. screw this site. screw fox. screw tim story. you can all eat a dick. take this shit and shove it up yer ass. screw you, especially, harry knowles. you're supposed to be a film lover and you give this a thumbs up?!! everything in it is completely stock. boooooo!!! i wanna crap all over you!!!

  • June 18, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Harry likes another P.O.S....shocking news!!!

    by Vaders Catheter

    Hey you fat bastard, I can honestly say I really used to respect your taste in movies...but lately, man, you're as selective as a six-year old boy with ADD. FF:ROTSS is a piece of shit, Hostel Part II is a piece of shit, and you my good man, are a piece of shit. Have a good one dipshit.

  • June 18, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    The movie was really good

    by versatol

    Doom was much better. The whole riding on the surfboard thing was old-school Doc Doom to a f*ckin tee-- surfering around like a power hunger maniac for no reason. Loved it. Julian's voice needs an effect but bottom line: the whole movie worked and some people just can't handle that. If a comic book movie deviates from the origial, fanboys piss on themselves bitching about minor BS, but NEWSFLASH: Movies are made for the broader audiences that pay money to go see them... not the 10% fanboys who want Galactus to remain a purple pope (which isn't as menacing as the storm in my opinion). This movie stayed true to old-school F4 and if you can't see that, you never picked up a silver age F4 comic. This movie is in Marvels top 5, it's a hit, Tim Story redeemed himself, and there will be more. Haters give up this battle and commence to bashing The Dark Knight, Iron Man, or Optimus' flames. Nuff said.

  • June 18, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    FF1 / 2 and SW 1 / 2

    by bythehairofsanjaya

    I have just finished rewatching SW 1, 2 and 3 and can say with all honesty that I enjoyed FF1 and FF2 a magnitude more. I will take Alba et al any day to Portman and Christensen. Christensen was even worse than I remembered. They all just phoned in their performances. No wait, Christensen probably tried. There was just not much base talent to work with. FF was entertaining for what it is, not what it shoulda / coulda been. Waa Waa. Move on people your life is not over.

  • June 18, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    I actually liked it...

    by dale dragon

    and I think that if you just walk into these movies without predisposition they can be fun. The first was fun, wasnt great, but had its moments. This one was really fun, and I agree with Harry on most points of it. I even would be fine with more Doom if he just left his mask on, and maybe had someone else talked for him. But that dude who plays him just sucks. So does the girl playing Alicia Masters. The dance scene was the only cgi that I pretty much hated. Surfer was awesome. oh, and the kids that were around me in the theater loved it... and isnt that what these movies are for anyway?

  • June 18, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    versatol: "Doom was much better" ....HAHAHAHA!!

    by Behemoth

    You've got to be effing kidding me!! Doom was PATHETIC!! And you have the fucking NERVE to say this was "true to old school F4"???!!! Wow. Why even bother with this kind of "logic." <p>Was "old school" Doom an American businessman? Yeah, that change was REALLY necessary. Did "Old School Doom" make witty quips like, "Let's all go for a spin!" Did "Old School Doom" give off the aura of a drag queen or of someone who was about as menacing or intimidating as a Emmanuel Lewis' sack? <p>You and your ilk's freaking childish labeling of people who don't accept this crap as "haters" or "fanboys." I'm fine with the story veering away from the comic a little if we get a GOOD MOVIE. This was a TURD, wrapped inside a belch, wrapped inside an irritable bowel. <p>And I love this argument about "Well, if you go to it with no preconceptions, it's not half bad." Yeah, that's great. No preconceptions about a franchise that you loved for decades and that's one of the most well-written and enjoyable examples of comic-dom. Yeah, going to a movie about THAT with no preconceptions. That's a lot of fun. <p>I didn't want to hate this movie AT ALL. I wanted to like it and hopefully LOVE it. How anyone can accept this kind of garbage as "okay" is just mind-boggling. Fools and harlots, all of you. Go perform anal on yourselves with a Tim Story dildo, you fantastic freaks.

  • June 18, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    I saw a picture of Katie Holmes on

    by emeraldboy

    Yahoo at Becks last game at the bernebaum. She looks Miserable. Seriously. I hate cruise, for one reason. He is giving us the Victoria Beckham movie starring Katie as victoria Beckham. No knighthood for David. thank god. the world could do with lady victoria backham.

  • June 18, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    this has been a very bad year for aicn.

    by JacksonsPole

    from the look of things, it's probably best for a film to stay away from this site. snakes on a plane - heavily promoted on here - flopped. grindhouse - heavily promoted on here - flopped. superman returns - heavily promoted on here - flopped. hostel 2 - heavily promoted on here - flopped. eli roth's cell - now delayed. fantastic 4 2 - now apparently loved on here - performing well below expectations. xmen 3 - consistently vilified on this site - huge hit. just so you aicn guys know, people are paying attention. your opinions and actions affect your credibility. things aren't adding up here. i'm close to never visiting this site again. just saying...

  • June 18, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Waaay better than Superman Returns...

    by Abominable Snowcone

    ...at least this movie has action sequences and is well-paced. What it comes down to is, when I get both Spidey 3 and FF2 on DVD, guess which one my kids will ask for more often? And guess which one I'll stay in the room for if it's on? Suck it! And please, do not misconstrue me--Alba still looks silly as a blue eyed blonde. Iaoan Gruffud and Julian McMahon are still wooden. Chiklis is still not given enough to do, and Chris Evans is given too much. But overall, this was an entertaining superhero movie. Some of the whiners here are just gonna have to learn that the movie world is different from comics, and not all stories can be translated onto the big screen. Think about it, comics come out monthly. FF has been out for decades. It's tough to condense the best parts of thousands of stories into a movie. Can't be done. And there's just not enough time for the intellectuality and drama and pathos we'd like as adults. So yeah, it's dumbed down a little. Get over it. This movie was for young people, and it works.

  • June 18, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    by tehgreekhammer

    http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070618c.php The disappointing box-office of "Hostel: Part II" has upset quite a few, most notably its director Eli Roth who says on his blog that it will have an knock-on effect. The most notable one will be a delay in his adaptation of Stephen King's "Cell" - "I am not directing Cell any time soon, and I most likely will take the rest of the year to write my other projects. Which means I wouldn't shoot until the spring and you wouldn't see a film directed by me in the cinemas until at least next fall." He cites the infamous leaked pirate copy of the film as one of the reasons for the damaging box-office, especially internationally. Unlike other movies leaked online and taken with video cameras, "Hostel II" was notably a near DVD-quality unfinished work print. He also adds that the R-rated horror genre is in serious jeopardy after several notable failures this year - "studios feel the public doesn't want them anymore, and so they are only putting PG-13 films into production. The only way to counter this perception is to get out there and support R-rated horror." <P> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  • June 18, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    MY .002

    by WISEBLOOD

    Just saw the flick. Here's whats wrong: DOOM. He started off promising, felt like "Classic" doom...but then he healed and he was once again smarmy coporate dick doom. Not satisfying. Here's whats right: Almost everything else. This flick FELT like a comic book. The action was entertaining and for the most part the effects were spot on. Except reed stretching on the dance floor. That looked fucking horrible. Now, about Galactus: It was PERFECT. You DO see Galactus...in a way. Here's how: In the comics, G eats planets from within his ship...he can do it without the ship, but it's less efficient. So at the end of FF:ROTSS, when they show him, he's obscured by the ship and the surrounding cloud. This is in perfect coordination with the comic book. In one shot they even show the "frame" of his face, again obscured by the cloud. I think this is cool because, given that they introduce Frankie Raye, Galactus is poised to come back to earth this time without a herald to do his talking for him. I assume, then, that we'll be seeing G, big purple helmet and all, in a sequel.

  • June 18, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I suppose the cool thing about sequels is

    by Abominable Snowcone

    If you walk in with any expectations, it's the preceding movie in the franchise that helps shape in your mind an idea of what you THINK you're gonna see. For example: Spidey 2 was great. So I had high hopes for Spidey 3. Was it terrible? I didn't think so. Was it great? No way. But Fantastic Four, wow, the first one was so damn hokey that a sequel would actually have to WORK to be hokier. So I went into FF2 with my kid expecting, well, not much--and I caught myself having a good time. If it makes sense, these characters in FF are comic book versions of the comic book versions. I mean, really watered down to their essences. Because a true-to-life Reed Richards would in fact be boring, because he is so smart, so smart that he's kinda aloof from other regular people. But here, they spin it to their advantage and make him very smart, but charmingly so, so that it's almost dorky. It is dorky. Chiklis's thing still seems to be the most emotionally resonant character. Alba's invisible girl is still a stereotypical worry wart, mildly vain (which I don't recall Sue being at all). But the addition of the Surfer, some quick action sets, and brisk pacing from one thing to the next, helps divert your attention from the fact that this isn't exactly the Lawrence of Arabia of Superhero Movies. Which is fine by me.<p> I should say, the only thing this film was missing was some soundtrack music by Joe Satriani, who I feel is partly responsible for the popularity of the Silver Surfer character (wiki "Surfing With the Alien" by Joe Satriani). Everyone who knows Satch and FF knows I'm right. Hell, they should have even had Norrin say he comes from the planet Satriani. That's how much debt Marvel owes the guy.

  • June 18, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Prior to the end of the 1990s

    by emeraldboy

    There was a time When no limits were spared on movies. The costs were extravagent and this was at time when sets were actually designed first and then built by set designers. An example of this was The abyss. There is that story that cameron got so furious about what he termed studio interference that he grabbed a junior exec, walked him over to the edge of one of the water tanks which had a drop of 300ft. after getting a roasting from cameron, the junior exec scuttled back to his limo and cmaeron carried on making his movie, which brought to studio over time and over budget. The same thing happened with titanic. and cameron threathened to quit the movie. it got fox off his back but the movie made them billions. Because you are all on the outside chastising fox for making in your eyes crappy movies. None of you are movie execs and its very easy to criticise other people who decisions that you dont but none of you are in position to do anything about it.

  • June 18, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Perfect example of how FF is for kids...

    by Abominable Snowcone

    There's a sequence in the movie where the four members have to split up and set up some scientific instruments in the woods to monitor / capture the Surfer. Can you imagine the Thing alone out there in the forest tinkering with Reed's toy? Sure you can. Now, imagine if a great big bear came along to check Thing out. Ha, ha! See where this is going? The bear roars--yeah, but get this, Ben roars back LOUDER and the bear scurries away like coward! Ha, get it? Original right? Heh.

  • June 18, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    You underestimate my power. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is...

  • June 18, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    JacksonsPole your logic is flawed.

    by The Founder

    You said that SR, Hostel 2 and Snaks on a Plane tanked because AICN praised them, well I don't see where AICn ever praied FF2 as you suggest or more so you said people seem to love. Well before the film was released in was bashed to no end, so your're wrong on that front. The movie has mixed reaction here as you can tell by reading the posts. Also only after the movie was released are some here saying it's decent.

  • June 18, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    superman returns>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>f4 2

  • June 18, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    superman didnt really tank

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    200 mil here and 400 mil worldwide is not tanking. it just didnt live up to expectations

  • June 18, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Behemoth lol

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    "Doom was much better" ....HAHAHAHA!!" that reaction is hilarious to me for some reason

  • June 18, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    FF 2 isn't underperforming, it's overperforming.

    by The Founder

    Considering the god awful 1st sequel and the sting it left in the minds of a lot of people, FOX is lucky that this one opened to the numbers it did. Actually it opened slightly higher then the 1st. If the numbers hold next week, we'll see how lucky FOX relly is.

  • June 18, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    It's got a hemi, of course!

    by zooch

    Did we forget what made the first so bad? The writing is still awful! Just like the first, the serious parts were laughably bad. The lighter moments were still corny and juvenile. Doom still sucks. The movie was too fast paced, Reed's inventions made no scientific sense whatsoever and just were there to move to plot along. It's sad the best actor in the movie was a CGI creation! Please don't give crap like this a pass.

  • June 18, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Superman didn't tank? HA! F4 was even more profitable.

    by The Founder

    WB didn't lose any money but SR tanked considering it's massive price tag. How much profit did Warners make? Even the awful 1st F4 was quite profitable for FOX.

  • June 18, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    yea 90 mins was too short

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    felt like they crammed the doom fight scene in and silver surfer couldve done way more with more time

  • June 18, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    WHAT IS WITH THIS WEBSITE?

    by DRDOOM27

    All you people do is b***h, b***h! Have you ever looked at other message boards? They talk about this board all the time and in such a negative way...face it, you wouldn't know a good superhero film if it smacked you in the face! Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer kicked butt, the 4 were a family, the Surfer was great, and Dr. Doom was finally realized to be the comic book character I knew he could be and Harry, Julian McMahon is amazing as Dr. Doom. I knew he could do if they gave him the right material....bring on Fantastic Four 3 and the Silver Surfer film.

  • June 18, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Dude..FF4:2...ten times better than Singers Superman

    by jojo-pimp

    that movie blew dog!

  • June 18, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    if this movie makes more money than the first

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    it will be the first sequel this year to not dissapoint at the box office. looks like pirates will only get to 300 mil and shrek is about to fall off, while spidey is nt gonna get to 350mil (spidey 1 403mil, spidey 2 373 mil) but worldwide is a diffrent story as spidey 3 is the highest grossing spidey movie with $868 mil and pirates has 820mil and still going strong

  • June 18, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    nope! sr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f4 2

  • June 18, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Surfer

    by Backlot Talk

    Come on...this wasn't that bad. Spider Man 3 was way worse. I actually liked this one...short, too the point and just enough Jessica Alba. http://www.backlottalk.com The movie studio life.

  • June 18, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    KRULL was a great film when i was 11...

    by warpspasm

    luckily their wasn't any mentally ill haters back then to utterly destroy it...

  • June 18, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Alba's make-over...

    by chromedome

    into a blue-eyed blonde just sucked. If the character HAS to be a blue-eyed blonde, hire a blue-eyed blonde. They put these horrible, oversized blue contacts in her eyes, and it was distracting as hell. It made her eyes look lifeless.<p>Silver Surfer dude was fun to watch. Film was so-so, and had the "We can do stupid stuff all we want cuz this is 'only from a comic book', after all" sort of feel to it. Fun, silly little popcorn flick--nothing more.

  • June 18, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    The 'Suspension' is lifted

    by memflix

    I posted the story on my site. Check it out of you're interested. www.memflixbeyond.com

  • June 18, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Memflix....I guess you're famous now.

    by Quake II

    ALthough I disagree with the review that got you canned. FF ROTSS was a pretty good summer movie.

  • June 18, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    THE INSPECTOR GADGET MOVIE IS ON RIGHT NOW

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    this thing is fucking horrible! i cant believe i wanted to see this when i was a kid! it sucks fucking ass!

  • June 18, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Here is the problem with saying

    by revenge_flicks

    Here is the problem with saying a mediocre movie (at best!!) is good or that you like it. This movie cost AT LEAST $100 million to make. Now all of you that are saying that this shit sandwich just tastes a little like shit....you are telling the movie industry: Oh please!!! give me more FF4:ROTTS! I want more X3! I just can't get enough of The Fresh Prince in a classic novel!!! By the way, what's the status of Ocean's 24???

  • June 18, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST