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How Matt & Danny Got Sacked!! STUDIO 60 Enters Final Three!!
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After tonight, we get two more new “Studio 60s,” then Aaron Sorkin disappears again from network television, perhaps forever.
NBC says of tonight’s installment, titled “K&R Part II”:
Jordan (Amanda Peet) takes a turn for the worse and Simon (D.L. Hughley) loses his cool with the press as we continue to learn, in flashback, how Matt (Matthew Perry) and Danny (Bradley Whitford) got fired from the show in the first place.
Will all the drama drive Matt to his Christian-mocking knees?
It’s not a repeat, but if you want your DVR to record it, set that DVR to “new shows & repeats.” I don’t know why.
10 p.m. Thursday. NBC.
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why even bother with these last episodes. should have just put it out on dvd later this year.
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This show wasn't totally great, but very good nontheless. It had great production design, cinematography, acting and direction. The stories/writing sometimes faultered, but for the most part I find that world fascinating so I always found entertainment in this show. Its not going to be missed like Sopranos, Galactica, Rome, Babylon 5, Arrested Development, Newsradio, or Seinfeld was... but its still a good show.
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as do hundreds of other people in the talkbacks...so hush up.Jimmy_009 should be here pretty soon to dump on Sorkin again...I don't want to miss that!
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Who would skip these lasts episodes now and then spend money in 5 months to watch them on DVD?
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If you bad mouth a show knowing its already cancelled you're just pathetic. But, the naysayers got their wish. Now we're back to reality shows and ultra-sterotypical male characters. Congrats, bashers. You just dumbed down television a little bit more.
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...It took me this long to stop lurking but after two of my favorite "written" (I use written because we all know reality shows are scripted) were cancelled (Studio 60 & Veronica Mars). I keep watching Studio 60 and like every other Sorkin show besides West Wing I always wonder why people don't like it. Is it too smart? Is it too dry? Does Adam just not understand U.S. culture. The answer to all 3 is no. The public as a whole just wants to see tits and ass or real people acting fake (not saying I don't want to, but if I see somethng close in a show like Studio it is a bonus).
Yeah I know I am new at posting but this show is once again so good it can't be on Television which is the sad point. -
Is it reality shows thats made TV bad? is it that America is dumber than ever and therefore no one's watching the good, smart shows? I blame cable, because before cable there were only 3 channels (now there would be 5) and there was a better chance your fave show was coming back next year, do you really think Dark Shadows would have lasted a year in today's environment? Veronica Mars would have been renewed, Jericho wouldn't even have been put into question in 1968, but with 500 channels to compete with, the networks have no choice, but to put on Brain Dead Kareoke and I Want to Fuck My Daughter. Human nature cant be fought, and since these shows take aim at the most primevil parts of our psyche, the answer starts to become more clear: art through competition comes better art, business through competition in an art medium comes horseshit! We are asking "why?" when we shoud be looking around at ourselves. Reality shows have served their purpose, to kick writers in the ass and show them to stop slacking off, now they need to leave. Networks are aching for a great show, but wont put in the effort to let one develop, I'm starting to think boycotting network television is a fantastic idea.
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That being said, Sorkin is a brilliant writer. But maybe the factory-like nature of TV writing (ie, deadlines) messes with his head.
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Would be nice if HBO ordered 13 shows for 2008. It surely would'nt cost more than the Sapranos, and Sorkin's writing would certainly improve.
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...but as soon as they left Studio 60 and met the Goodman, I suddenly realised I really liked it. I reckon people took it as self important because it was presented in the same way as West Wing but the plots were about writing a sketch, not ruling the world
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I've been watching it on download from the start as I don't even think it'll mae it over here to the U.K, which is a shame.
The West Wing did well over here and I think we would've lapped this up, but I don't see any of the networks over here splashing the cash on a show that won't go further than one season.
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Is this the Vince McMahon spin off I've been hearing about?
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at the end. I've enjoyed Studio 60 loads and will be sorry to see it go. These last epiosdes are excellent. I hope it endd well for Tom's brother. Great acting by all of them, esspecially Nate Corddry, during that scene in the production both when the news comes in!
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It seems they knew the first season was it and their throwing us all the info we need for the series to be complete in one season.
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In my opinion, this show was awful. And I am annoyed at people like you thinking that it's about not enough tits and ass - or others who say the people that don't like the show just aren't smart enough to get it. I'm plenty smart, believe me. So are all the other people who tuned in to Studio 60 only to find that it was a very poor effort. It is right to say that the production values are very high. But (in my and many other perfectly smart and discerning people's opinion) the stories were boring, the characters were made to behave in thoroughly unrealistic ways, there was no clash, there was no vice, there was no grit. The attempt was to make a West Wing in a TV studio. But Sorkin couldn't make the magic work that way. Maybe because equated Saturday Night Live with the Presidency is, in itself, so hubristic of the television industry, as to defy description. And maybe just because he was phoning it in or has writers block. If I had made a Studio 60 type show it would have been very different. Instead of characters with foibles and weaknesses who are generally very good inside, I would have populated the show with characters who were incredibly selfish, self-absorbed, and ambitious but who now and then showed a little humanity. And the theme would have been how hard it is to be in show business and how it turns you into that kind of bastard - or that only bastards get that far. In my opinion Sorkin has a bit of a Gene Roddenberry complex. West Wing and Studio 60 actually have a shocking parallel in Star Trek - namely the belief in the inherent goodness of it's protagonists. That model works well on a starship, and it works well in a presidential oval office. But on studio 60, with the stakes being so low, it just seemed pretentiously preachy.
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that the show was pretty good. I had expected it to be better than it was though. I probably still would have watched it, if it weren't for the fact that they were taking shots at Christians, seemingly at every chance they got. I am a Christian, and don't much enjoy sitting there being mocked for an hour each week. Ruined any chance I had of enjoying the show, so I turned it off. Had it been a once in a blue moon thing by one character, that might have been easier to overlook, but it was constant.
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TV has always been stupid. Car 54 where are you? Flipper? My Mother The Car?
The only thing that changes is that you and I get older and presumably wiser with every year, which slowly distances us from the stupidity that is all of television programming.
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Jun 14, 2007 10:06:27 AM CDT
So what do we send NBC to get this show back on the air
by agentarchangel
Maybe if we send them a truck load of vicodin, they'll be stoned enough to cave. Honestly, I'm going to miss this show a lot. Sure, it's had a couple misses, but when it hits it hits wonderfully. (The Christmas Show was one of the best examples as such.) After screwing this over, I can't really say I'll be watching NBC.
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Harriet's faith and belief in a positive outcome in the kidnapping plot was handled with quiet beauty. Not preachy, not over the top, but actually inspiring and quite touching.
I've stuck with this show and very glad I did. Never watched West Wing, but probably will go back and get the DVDs now to see what the fuss was about. It's gotta be a helluva better show than the reality garbage being pushed this summer. What the hell was that shit last night? Who looks like a celebrity? Who the fuck cares? America's got talent, and that other putrid show about a 30 year old guy deciding between a group of 20 and 40 year old whores.
You're telling me Studio 60 sucks - compared to this load of sewage? Hey, it may not be my favorite show, but I'll take this over 95% of the other shit on the air right now. -
Sadly, they deserve it.
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KnowItAllFuckHead, when will this be airing? I am very interested in this reality show because I can relate.
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Between these characters is so ridiculous. Look, nobody goes around having the conversations that matt and blondie have.. and I swear, if I ever hear the stupid phrase "crazy christians" again.... I am so sick of this show, and I'm glad to see it go bye bye.
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As Wes Mendel said, "Art is getting its ass kicked," be it Studio 60 or the New Orleans musicians still wrapped up in the still continuing struggles of Katrina.
To this end, a large international group of fans is trying to raise funds to place an advertisement in the LA Times Entertainment Section on Thursday 28th June, which is when the final episode is due to air. The quarter-page ad will cost approximately $5,000. There's more information over at http://thanks2studio60.livejournal.com.
The text on the advert will be simple – just a thank you, nothing nasty aimed at NBC (no matter how much we'd like to! – we don't want to come across as honey-crusted nut bars!), and will also feature details of how to donate to Tipitina's Foundation.
For anyone unfamiliar with Tipitina's, the Foundation was featured in The Christmas Show. The mission of the Tipitina's Foundation is to restore New Orleans' irreplaceable music community and preserve the state's unique musical culture. We are currently working with the Foundation to create a specific page on their site where friends of Studio 60 will be able to make donations. More information about this will be coming soon.
In order to buy the advertising space, we need your help. Anything you can afford to help raise funds for the ad will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your support.
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Agreed. It's not smart vs stupid, it's just differing tastes. And while we're burying that excuse on one side of the fence, can we please put to rest the "no one talks that way" argument from the other side? It's idiotic. Enjoy stylized dialog or don't, but don't claim that A) there's any scripted program in the history of television that doesn't employ it to one degree or another, and B) that it doesn't reflect the conversational habits of anyone in "real life." I know plenty of people who speak like Sorkin characters at times.
Also, there seem to be an awful lot of folks who want to criticize the show based on Sorkin's "thinly veiled personal axe to grind" about this and that. They're free to do so, it makes no sense to claim that it filters into the majority of viewers, who have no idea who this man is beyond the fact that he created The West Wing, if that. -
Ha. Just had to say that in the same sentence.
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It is a fool's error to underestimate the stupidity of the American people. EVERY SINGLE OBJECTIVE METRIC INDICATES THIS FACT. Whether you look at hard numbers from public and private schools around the country, or simple popular culture, we really are dumb and we really are getting dumber. We are in a bio-feedback loop of "dumb."
Do not kid yourself. -
for years. You may know it as "The Apprentice".
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Everytime I see Fuddruckers I giggle really loud: Buttfuckers!
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I'm not arguing with the concept in general, just as it applies to television. As DevilCat pointed out, there are a number "smart" shows airing now which manage to retain a sizeable audience -- this one just didn't connect for whatever reason.
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....both the "people who don't like it don't get it" and the "people don't talk like that" bullshit HAS to stop. same goes for the "sorkin is to preachy" and the "too much drama" excuses. if you don't know what to expect from a show with aaron sorkins name on it by now thats your problem, and every other hour long drama on TV has "too much drama" when you think about it.
as far as the general public being stupid i think that cuts both ways. i think the smart people get smarter and the dumb people get dumber and as the gulf widens between those two camps the more crap vs. "smart stuff" you will see on the TV. for every 3 "i want to fuck my daughter" shows you get 1 "lost" or "S60". and i think it was less to do with smart vs. dumb and more to do with appealing to the lowest common denominator and the fact that no-one whats to get left behind in the conversation around the water cooler the next day. meaning that if everyone in your workplace is watching "american idol" instead of "S60" on a tuesday night chances are you are gonna watch AI instead too, because you want to have something to talk about with your "friends" at work the next day. -
You can be tired of me and my opinion but thats my opinion, and well that is your opinion. However I don't feel the show is too smart that is what I was saying. Yeah it might fit the framework of other Sorkin shows like Star Trek shows follow Gene Roddenberry's blueprint. But I am just frustrated with the networks not letting these shows develop at all. If it doesn't do well right off the bat they move it around so much it gets lost. Then they just put on a reality show because it is cheaper and let it run whether it is good or not. Again that is just the way I feel it might be right most likely it probably isn't, but I am allowed to say my peace that's what this is for.
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Given the last episodes handling of the issue of religion (with Matt even showing a hint of belief in a big guy upstairs) which it would seem has been more of a touchy subject in the US than I'd have tought, but then again I'm a heathen from the UK :) - nobody likes to talk about religion over here - for the most part we're all atheists.
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God but Sorkin does those so well. Especially when contrasted with drama in the present. Remember when Josh was shot in The West Wing and we flashed back to the beginning of Bartlet's campaign? Such an incredible episode. I seriously thought that Josh was going to get killed off. My reasoning was that two characters got shot and so, in terms of the drama, it would make sense for one to live and one to die. I was preparing myself to say goodbye to my favourite TV character and was so happy that he lived.
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But I haven't even been watching these last episodes as they run them out. What's the point of hanging around for an extended death rattle anyway?
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Maybe my favorite show of the season, and I REALLY hope it gets some recognition come Emmy season. Hopefully that ad places in the paper will somewhat help Sorkin in wanting to do a new TV show, because I'm going to miss the hell out of him. Please do something with Josh Charles, and please let Malina be in one of these final three. It's also nice to see that at this point, this talkback is filled with 95 percent positive things about the show, as opposed to the meandering, whining, boastful haters, when threads began.
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And see what good writing actually is. And you made my day with that bit about people spending their money to say 'Thank You' to the Sorkin and crew. You fans of this show truly are a sad lot.
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it ends with matt sitting in a diner waiting for jordan, harriet and danny. REO Speedwagon is playing over the soundtrack...blah blah blah cut to black - ta da!.....fuck studio 60 is a terrible program
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with Courtney Cox, telling her about a dream he had where he was a comedy writer working on an SNL type show alongside Josh & Danny from the West Wing, and that guy from Wings ("No, not Sandman, the other guy; no, not Monk, the other guy; no not the fat guy, the other guy; no not the guy in all those failed ABC shows, the other guy. Yeah, him). She tells him he shouldn't watch TV before going to bed. He then says "You should dye your hair blond and go to church more". The End.
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episode of this series ever again, I will bring it up myself to justify the fact that... oh, I don't know what my point is, that I didn't like one line from one episode of this show and therefore my life was ruined and Aaron Sorkin disrepects my mythical deity, I guess. But I needed you to know that because the tree spirits told me to tell you.
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It was something different and original in this current mess of Law and Order/CSI/Misc. Reality shows.
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Ironically, it was almost a meta-joke about his movies sucking i.e. should have stayed on SNL. They should have waited until the 2nd season to mock him. Studio 60 lost after 1 season too. At least Chevy got to come back to host like 8 times.
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Matthew Perry will eat onion rings while Journey plays in a diner. Then, it cuts to black and we're impressed with being had. Fuck. Ya. I'm still pissy about that, even though it was a really memorable ending.
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The sketch comedy writers, performers, and producers can solve that whole Afghanistan thing. If anyone can do it...
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People really don't talk like that. Wanna' go another round? LOL.
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I certainly don't choose my shows based on watercooler bullshit, or I would have been all over Desperate Housewives (and probably have shot myself by now). From the comments that I've heard from people, several of them gave the show a chance (including me) and thought it sucked. Others thought it looked lame from the beginning.
Napoleon - the fact that Aaron Sorkin seemed obsessed with ripping on religious people isn't the big deal. Fine, that's his opinion ... if the show is written well enough we can all move past it. It seemed to become a broken record was the issue. I could take an episode here and there, but fuck the first several episodes seemed to harp on it constantly. I would think there are plenty of other opportunities for comedy, drama behind the scenes of a sketch show. That it played such a large role seemed out of place, unreal, and stupid.
In other words, Studio 60 SUCKED ass, and NBC might actually see some ratings in the timeslot if they fill it with something that is actually good. -
Damn, hours of my life wasted watching that crap, hoping it would become as good as West Wing in the first couple of seasons. Fuck that.
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Or would trying be futile?
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...your opinion. and you are entitled to it. and i never meant to suggest that EVERY person is influnced by "watercooler bullshit", just think it might play a role in some cases. "group think" is a bitch, and while it dosen't happen in EVERY work place it does happen in some, i've seen it happen.
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...anytime buddy, anytime. like i said, i know people who talk like that, but then again i'm sure not everyone has my class of friends. lol.
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...which well-written shows will fill the VOID of Sunset 60 in the new season?
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Anyone else agree? It hit the fan and now this thing is edge of your seat?
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With only two episodes left, none of the running stories (Tom's brother held hostage, Jordan having complications with pregnancy, show's declining ratings) have been resolved. I thought maybe we'd see a wrap up and then have the final two to deal with the show and its viewership problems. I enjoyed "The Disaster Show" episode because it was about performing and all the joy and stress that comes with it. But this is Sorkin; he wants to fire his final F YOU to all his critics, so be it. I'll stick around for the end.
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an audience: No opening credits. Think about it - the opening credits set the tone for the show. You may not remember much about Hill Street Blues but I am sure you remember the credits. And I know you remember the theme music. I bet you could read through Mike Post's composer credits and picture almost every one of those show's openings. Studio 60 does not have that. It's missing that 45 second introduction to the show that tells you what the show is about and who is in it. Studio 60 failed to connect with viewers on a large scale and I believe this was one reason why. Not the only reason but I think it could have helped. Friday Night Lights has one of the best openings and theme music in a long time. 30 Rock's opening is also great. Both were renewed.I know. Lost doesn't have one and it's doing OK. But Lost is the exception.
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It's so networks can have more time for advertising, and ultimately make more money. Yes, exceptions do exist, but you're not going to find the long theme song sequences that you would ten, or even five years ago. Studio 60 having a theme may have just got it cancelled sooner, due to it bringing in less money for the network.
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Lost, Jericho, The Shield are 3 that I can think of that don't. Earl doesn't anymore, and ER has dropped theirs (after 10 years or so). The Office has one, so do Scrubs, 30 Rock, Survivor, The Apprentice, Smallville, BSG, Amazing Race, Simpsons, American Dad, Desperate Housewives (sometimes), Family Guy, Las Vegas, Crossing Jordan, Veronica Mars, Friday Night Lights, all the CSIs, all the Law & Orders. I know there's more but I'm just picking a few shows from last year off the top of my head. But from the shows I have not mentioned I think you will find more will have opening themes than not.I don't think it would have saved the show, but I think it would have helped create more of a connection with the occasional viewer. Like I said, it sets the tone, and one complaint is many people didn't like Studio 60 because it wasn't that funny. They thought it was supposed to be a comedy. An opening theme with the right music could have helped convey to the ignorant viewer a little something about the show they are about to watch. The cold open sets up the episode, but the opening credits set up the show.Of course it can also backfire. Remember the collective "WTF" heard all across North America 3 minutes into the first episode of "Enterprise"? I think it's safe to say using a Michael Bolton-esque ballad for the opening credits of a Star Trek show was a poor choice.
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I'm actually watching the beginning of the episode. WOW! It's amazing that even amongst all the criticism that his characters all sound the same, Sorkin still decides to give the doctor delivering a baby the SAME EXACT voice as all of the other characters. Hey, it got your show canceled, why break up a good thing? And changing the channel... now. What a shitfest of a show.
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Hitting its stride as it becomes less and less about 'the show.'Sad to see you go S60; Sorkin, keep the cocaine-writing-machine churnin', brother.
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Distant cousin to "no one talks like that." Welcome back, you've been missed.
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The reason you hear those two criticisms all the time...now, go with me here...are you ready?...is because they're both TRUE. I know, shocking concept. Both cousins absolutely 100% accurate. But hey, let's all kiss Sorkin's ass and pretend not to notice.
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Yes, a lot of those shows do have themes, but Simpsons has been around for 18 years, Smallville, another 6, a lot of them aren't NEW shows. The Office's theme is even slightly shorter than what it first was, and Veronica Mars's was shortened too. 30 Rock's is the example of what you'll see with most shows, it's like 15 seconds, and it's what networks want most shows to do. Look at How I Met Your Mother's theme.
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.....simon, sounds just like matt, who sounds just like harriet. yeah, that big rant at the end by simon could have been comming out of anyones mouth. sure. or maybe....wait for it....the "same voice" excuse is actually a shortcut to thinking for people who want to rip or sorkin. i suppose for some people who tell themselves that over and over it becomes "true". but judging by all the people on this talkback who seem to like the show i guess "truth" is in the eye of the beholder. ah, subjectivity, you gotta love it.
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I like the show, but it's always pissed me off at how perfect these people's lives were. It's like they all lead near perfect lives(Peet the 37 year old beauty queen that's president of a studio, Perry who can write an hour of TV comedy every week on his own, etc. etc.) The story and pace of the show was great, but the characters irked me just a little bit. They needed more fault to them.
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The better this show gets, the sadder I become.Short-sighted fucks.
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No, those two criticisms are not "absolutely 100% accurate," but that's not the point. Again, you either dig stylized dialogue or you don't. It's just a taste thing. And it's certainly not "what got [the] show canceled," or The West Wing wouldn't have lasted four seasons with Sorkin at the helm.
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"long theme song". I had thought you meant any at all.How I Met Your Mother is a good example of what openings are today - or what they are moving towards. But it is also a good example of the creators making the most out of a little. The opening to HIMYM is short but in that time it does a good job of setting the tone of the show. You get to see all the characters. The music is light and bouncy, kind of fun, just like the show itself.
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since Safari for Windows doesn't load properly for me. (the buttons work, but no text to identify what anything is.) "Slim" is a nice elegant IE clone that loads fast and works efficiently. But did you know that if you come to this site, AICN, without using Mozilla Firefox with AdBlock enabled, that they have these fucking annoying ads at the top banner and upper right corner block that squiggle and squirm around. What a pisser. Thank the tree spirits for Firefox with AdBlock.
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I guess it is so forgetable you miss it, but there is a theme that comes on right before the first commercial break. It is placed in the same place and is as long as the lost theme.
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finally got to watch thursday's episode tonight. it is good, solid, not in the realm of great but still worth watching. very serious, but it was serious subject matter. imagine, nbc would rather air "does age matter" instead of studio 60. strange minds at nbc.
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I think it's interesting that someone sited FNL as an example of good opening music. One of the things I loved most about the previous two sorkin series which I missed with S60 was a great tone-setting theme composed by W.G. Snuffy Walden. Who, incidentally, wrote the Friday Night Lights theme too. I think he's written some of the S60 in-episode music but the opening (which is totally off the mark in terms of setting up the tone of the show) was not penned by Snuffy. Go figure. I'm a total Sorkin apologist. But I gotta say I agree with the "no opener leads to no audience identification" theory. This was one simple thing that could just as easily have helped the show as it ended up hurting it.
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and un - entertaining, this show.
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