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A big HURTin' is coming for THE INCREDIBLE HULK!!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Fresh on the heels of the announcement that THE BIG CHILL is being remade (or "reimagined") we get some William Hurt news. Not only is he doing another comic book property (his last was an Oscar nominated performance in the fantastic A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE), but he's playing General Thunderbolt Ross, chasing down the big green thug himself.
THE INCREDIBLE HULK is shaping up to be a rather fascinating property. The cast is out of this world, the whole idea of the semi-sequel/reboot coming so shortly after the first film... Such a bizarre project, but it sounds like it's all coming together nicely. What do you folks think?
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lots of news damn
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testing 1 2 3
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i actually thought Sam Elliott was pretty awesome as Gen. Ross.. (well, he's awesome in anything).. but Bill Hurt could be pretty fun.. eh, i don't know honestly, i guess we'll just have to see..
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Ang Lee's version sucked the big one. No pun intended. Please do it right this time. Pleaseeeeee...
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...Sam Elliott WAS General Thunderbolt Ross.
This kind of saddens me, but at least we have a decent actor replacing him.
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Things are looking better and better. The studio is making a GREAT move here by banking on the short-term memory loss of the average moviegoer. A good version of a geek property will almost always overwrite a bad version in the popular consciousness. If Hulk continues to be well put together with a GOOD SCRIPT WRITTEN BY A COMIC BOOK WRITER, a good cast that takes the story seriously instead of just showing up for a paycheck, and good editing so that the finished product looks right, then that Ang Lee piece of rubbish will end up in the dollar DVD bins while this new one gets Director's Cuts, Collector's Editions, and Anniversary boxed sets.
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Jun 13, 2007 1:35:24 AM CDT
i think a history a violence is fuckin garbage
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
pretty awful if you ask me. but then again, no one did. anyway, please let this one be good because the hulk is such a fuckin great charecter, and i cant stand to see him in another shitty ass movie.
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The studio made an almost note-perfect comic movie, and what do people do? Whine about it. Y'all deserve nothin'.
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Is it just me, or has it been a SLOW week for news?
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were nick nolte and sam elliott.
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i'm with you!
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Jesus H. Stan Lee, This is sweet news! I liked about 20 minutes of Ang Lee's film, you know the part that was a hulk movie. Man was I pissed while I watched hulk fight a cloud....in the .....cloud. Watching hulk throw rockets back at the copters that fired them at 'em however was indeed cool hulk action. Two words for the film makers (really, take this to heart) HULK SMASH!
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Bitch you make me hurl! Ang Lee's movie sucked. Sam Elliot was the best part of the movie. No denying that, but the rest? Bitch!
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whenever i catch it on TV I can't take my eyes off the screen. The climax IS kinda lame,but overall, the underlying story was intriguing.
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THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND AMERICANS FUCKING RULE! HA!
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Because he wanted to reimagine himself in Blu-Ray afterward...
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Sam Elliot was fine but they don't want any connection with the first movie, that's obvious. Hurt is a good actor, but is he gruff enuff?
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He wanted to reimagine blowing William Hurt's brains out in Blu-Ray...
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...not that William Hurt isn't top class, all the same.I guess this is further proof, as if we needed any at this point, that the next Hulk is a completely new beast, with absolutely no ties to the first film, cast wise, crew wise, or thematically.
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but this is a miscast.
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Starring Shia LaBeouf and Justin Long.
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Seriously, Abomination, that makes the movie alone. Now it's freakin on. Also, the History of VIolence is fucking garbage, until you watch it a few more times. After you watch it without a crowd on Cinemax at 2 in the afternoon. You really dig the fuck out of that movie. Nice to have a new THUNDERBOLT.
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With Tom Cruise and George Clooney...
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Sorry kids but there is a severe lack Ricardo Montalban screaming headlines here.
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wait, what?
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William Hurt is the most understated (read: yawn-inducing) actor of his generation. Does he ever raise his voice?
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I'll give you a worse choice: talent-vacuum Brian Cox. Worst - "actor" - ever. But I agree, William Hurt is NOT a great actor.
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Not a screaming headline, but a Montalban headline nonetheless.
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Do I smell Oscar?
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..could be good..William Hurt kicked all kinds of ass in "Altered States"..Anybody remember that?
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There were few bright spots in the Hulk the one of the stand outs was Elliots Thunderbolt.
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Ed Norton is awesome. Is there a director yet, does anyone know? The Hulk has always been my favorite comic book character and this redo is looking awesome. Oh yeah, and the Abomination! Though I would like to see the U-Foes.
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but the hulk himself looked great and i loved the desert stuff. but the picture in picture crap, the shitty clmax, the corny setup for a sequel, and the list goes on and on. disappointingly lame ass movie.
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if after all these attempts to distance themselves from the Ang Lee'd up Hulk, Louis Leterrier delivered a film that was basically the same as the previous one. Just as dreary and pretentious and humourless and with the exact same ludicrous ending.Well, it would make me laugh, anyway.Christ, how can people stand Ang Lee? That has nothing to do with the TB, but it came out anyway. Sorry about that.
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Ang Lees Hulk was such an odd mixture of beauty and silliness. I thank it for trying to rise above the usual tripe but scorn it for it's script inherent logic defects (Art film with birth defects). A really beautiful failure. Let's try again.
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Works as in makes a pile of cash. That way Marvel might just take to rebooting all of the franchises the studio heads have taken to treating like their hooker girlfriends.
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The cast is great so far potentially, the directer has made the Transpaawtah series which where... ok, they were fun i enjoyed them first time. At least they arent films about some guys getting their hair cut. Well that wouldnt have been a very long film for Statham.
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I kind of enjoyed the Ang Lee version. You wouldn't like me when I'm Ang-lee. He he he.
Seriously though, the missteps in the Ang Lee version didn't take away from the cool Hulk action. Just think it needed maybe more action and a bit less Nolte-Bana screaming scenes, thought that's just me. I think THE INCREDIBLE HULK could be better though.
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They gave this high-profile flick to the director of Transporter. So obviously neither the suits nor the director knows what the hell they're doing. What a waste of a Norton.
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This movie will have no respect for the source material either (although how people can say Lee's film isn't when the comic IS the Jekyl and Hyde story but even more literal-minded is beyond me), because it's based on the TV show which was a rip-off of the original "The Fugitive" TV series. Don't get your hopes up.
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When they did that mini-series on TNT based on some of King's short stories, Hurt did OK in "Toys". I don't think he ever spoke one line during the entire thing, but it was pretty cool to see him whip an uzi out of his liquor cabinet and start blasting little green army men.
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Sucks the air out of every scene he is in. He makes Bill Pullman look like Bill Paxton.
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I guess they wanted a total reboot after all.
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He can be a little bland at times, but I hate to say anything bad about him because he was in Smoke, which is a film I like very much. I don't know how many people have seen Smoke, but it's worth a look if you like quieter indie-type dramas. It's got Forest Whitaker in it and a young Harold Perineau, plus Harvey Keitel.This has been a public service announcement on behalf of films that are not based on comic books.
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That's a good one, plus it had Jennifer Connelly on the cusp of becoming the dull 'let's not talk about my boobs' actress she's turned into over the last few years. She was in Ang Lee's Hulk, you know. This is like a Kevin Bacon type of thing. Or something, I don't know.
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Fuck yeah!
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Obviously the first Hulk film was not the kiddy friendly film the studio wanted, so get ready for a brain dead, 'Fantastic Four' take on this franchise. Hollywood can burn in hell, as can all haters of Ang lee's Hulk. BURN!!!
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I like HULK. It's uneven but brilliant in many ways. That it seems to have ruined some talkbackers lives only adds to my enjoyment of it.
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I thought he was perfectly cast. Personally, I actually liked Ang Lee's version.
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Jun 13, 2007 6:44:47 AM CDT
bull shit sam elliot is the man .... how dare they..
by jeanluc dickhard
assholes.......
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It is possible to have charecter development, action and special effects all in the same movie.
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Because what I saw felt more like a tired exercise in making a comic book movie but completely disconnected with what the original writers of that character were driving at. Ang lee's film insinuated a lot but deep down had no heart. Why did you care for Bruce Banner when Lee gave you nothing to latch on to? Betty and Bruce were obviously still in love dispite some weak script mechanism to keep them apart and nothing in Bana's performance gave you any indication that he was a scarred character. You can say there is a depth here I'm not getting but I just say it's weak story-telling.
Sure, kudos to Lee for trying BUT then there are the hulk poodles and the purple stretchy pants that the fan-boys just HAD TO FUCKING HAVE! or the green skin hulk that looks unrealistic in any lighting situation... Good God.
I will say this though, the casting was decent just directionless.
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Then I can be a bit like I am now, but duller and more ponderous and with no sense of humour, and I can have a simplistic, sub-Oprah Winfrey 'issue' of some sort to contend with. That's the ticket!Remake me in your image, Ang Lee! Hamstring me with your dreary pretension!
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For my money, I'd say the Hulk from the Incredibles is a nice template. --What?
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I liked how Ang Lee's HULK was a continuation of a theme in all of Ang Lee's films, that of a repressed being crossing the boundaries. In Crouching Tiger, it was Jen freeing herself from centuries of Chinese repression over women through the Green Destiny sword. In Brokeback Mountain, it was two cowboys finding their true selves atop a lonely mountain. And in Hulk, it was two men (Bruce and David) breaking their own human boundaries set upon them by God. That's deep, man. I liked how all of Hulk's adversaries were Hulk progressions, first you had a Hulk rat, then Hulk dogs, then David became an out-of-control, god-like Hulk. I liked the Danny Elfman music, how it had Eastern and primitive qualities that accentuated the primitive nature of Hulk. I liked how Ang Lee brought Hulk back to his comic book roots in the desert, because where else can an 800 pound green gorilla be free? I guess the Amazon jungle, I suppose. I liked how the multi-angle PIP and morph editing added to the Hulk theme of evolving and alternate realities. Deep, man. I liked the constant visual metaphors Ang Lee peppered throughout the film, how a mushroom cloud and a jellyfish represented the scientific origins of the Hulk, nuclear power and genetics. At the end of the film, David Banner, now out-of-control, growing beyond his human boundaries to the point of being a god, physically morphs into a giant mushroom cloud/jellyfish. And I like the irony that the smartest comic book movie ever made happens to be a mindless character like Hulk. Quite unexpected.
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You know, like we were seconds away from seeing at the end of the last flick?
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Regarding your comment about US troops in Iraq. WTF? Our men and women are doing the jobs they signed on to do. The policy isn't up to them. Most people in the states are AGAINST the war, but sadly that same 'most' weren't bright enough to select John Kerry instead of (sort of) re-electing the asshole who got us into this mess. So fuck your comment about 'sending our kids' over to get 'blown away' by the sand people. I have a coworker over there right now (female) and every day I wonder if she's gonna be one of the daily "14 US troops killed in car bomb" attacks.
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to see him fuck up another movie. He's the French Andrzej Bartkowiak. Or Brett Ratner.
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http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33980
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I still don't understand why people hated the first Hulk so intensely. It's one of the more enjoyable comic book movies of recent years, along with the first X-Men flick. I guess they wanted a green Lou Ferrigno. Anyway, here's hoping the new one makes the haters happier, although I seriously doubt anything will ever do that.
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Do Lee haters hate him across the board or did they actually enjoy Crouching Tiger but not Hulk?
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Sam was one of the few things that worked right in the first one. William is really going to half to up his acting ability to get me to believe he is a gravely voiced hard ass. He initially comes off too intellectually sophisticated to be a blue collar raised Army General. Now if he wants to pull an "Altered States" and turn into a caveman and fight Hulk, that would be cool.
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which is, I think, a major reason for its unpopularity on these forums. There will never be a consensus around here on what makes a great comic-book movie because geeks bring too much baggage to the viewing experience of films based on such well-established properties. I felt that, taken on it's own merits, the movie worked- I was entertained and impressed by it's artistry. It wasn't perfect but I didn't need it to be.
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half vader: I won't speak for the rest of the people here, but I never liked Crouching Tiger. There was nothing new or innovative in it that hadn't been done before a million times and yet just because a lot of people who had never watched a hong kong movie before talked about it like it was something new and exciting.
stvnhthr: You're absolutely right about Sam Elliot.
Quint: The thing looks like it's shaping up exactly right, but remember that Ang Lee's Hulk also looked exactly right until people actually watched it. The problem was that Lee just didn't understand the comicbook medium. -
The most over-rated director working today. I didn't mind The Ice Storm, but he had that run of Ang Lee-ing different genres that turned me off him. He Ang Lee'd the western (Ride With The Devil) and made it dull, then he Ang Lee'd the chop socky epic (Crouching Tiger) and made it dull, and he finished up by Ang Lee-ing the comic book film (Hulk). I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain, though. Maybe that's not dull at all, I don't know.
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i cant differentiate between those two. they just look like sand to me.
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They just don't make men like Sam Elliott any more. And I'm not geigh.
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SUCK COCK BY CHOICE!!!
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.."A Passage to India" in German. And I don't speak German. And Marmoset, I agree with what you said about the dulling, and deflating of Jennifer Connelly. If she really cared about her fans she'd fatten her puppies up again.
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This project does not excite me. I'll still keep an open mind.
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That's all.
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Just let me say what is dull for some may be considered measured and lyrical by others. Not to disrespect anyone's subjective definition of "dull" by the way.
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Sam Elliott was the best character depiction in the 1st; he's not going to be topped. Hurt might work out as long as he doesn't go over the top (think Baldwin in Pearl Harbor). At least it's not Matthew Modine. Here's hoping it works out ...
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Get in the submarine, Betty. We're going to find the Blue Fairy.
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although the casting for the 1st hulk wasn't its weak point either. (ok, nolte was bad.)
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the haters have to stop about hulk 1. It was a decent movie with many flaws - remove the flaws and it would have been very good. The flaws: poor pacing; inconsistent CGI; not enough action (Hulk = action; if you disagree, go read dr. strange or something) and lack of a real antagonist (Banner's subconscious doesn't count). Arguably Bana wasn't the best choice for Banner; maybe for a repressed Banner, but then a repressed Banner wasn't the best choice. It sorta' worked, but it really didn't. Ang did a hell of a job, but was looking at it completely from a grown-up psyche pov. He probably needed to look at it more from a kid's 'smash and break things is cool' pov.
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Yeah that makes no sense seeing as how he's a big pansy.
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There exists this myth, for some reason, that those who dislike Ang Lee's Hulk have no stomach for 'measured and lyrical' films - that we only we want to see some smash 'em, crash 'em action. It's as though you have to pick one of two camps, like it or not. Now, if I absolutely HAD to choose between only those two sides, I would take my place with the pro-Hulk crowd, simply because I mostly like that kind of thing. (Mostly). Intelligent, mature, insightful, all that. Check out my recommended film of the day Smoke if you want to know the kind of thing I mean. It's pretty good.Thing is, I just don't like it when Ang Lee does it. He's a dreary and pretentious man, and he makes (in my humble opinion) dreary and pretentious films. Quite why he thought it was good idea to make the film deadly dull whenever the Hulk wasn't around escapes me. Also, I really don't like psycho-babble of the type he tried to pass off as serious drama, but maybe that's because I'm English. We don't like to deal with our issues and make breakthroughs and whatnot over here - we keep all that stuff nicely repressed and drown it in beer when it gets out of hand. That is the proper way to do things, not mope and cry because your daddy did a very bad thing when you were a kid.In conclusion, um... I don't know. I swear I had a point. I swear! Let's just say, Frank votes NO on proposition Hulk. That'll do.I really shouldn't drink at lunchtimes...
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The producers have said repeatedly that this is a sequel that takes a different tack than the first... not an actual "remake" or "restart."
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If Hurt portrays Thunderbolt Ross the way he played the manipulated (and DOOMED) weaselly lawyer Ned Racine in Body Heat, then we'll have a quite laconic -- and unexpressive -- hard-ass Army general!
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I was going to type my opinion, but DarkHawke pretty much said it for me. And I was impressed w/ Chishu_Ryu's statement too. Well done guys...in fact, this is the most polite debate on the first Hulk movie I've read on AICN before! BOTTOM LINE for me on the new flick: Don't like the idea, but I'll keep an open mind. HURT is not a good choice, and I'm still not comfortable w/ NORTON either. BANA and the legendary ELLIOT were great in the first film and any bad memories people have of Lee's movie would be trashed with a successful new version with at least Bana and Elliot returning. To me, the worst thing a comic adaptation movie can do is change the main actors from sequel to sequel.
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I mean, off hand, what do we have, basically? Slasher movies, Bad Boys with Sean Penn, Fight Club and that's IT. The first one was okay but the Hulk looked way too CUTE! They need to make him look like a big angry BEAST and use Bad Boys as a template in my opinion.
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I wasn't saying you don't have the stomach for films that are lyrical and measured, I was just saying that, for me, Ang Lee's films meet the definition. They aren't *my* idea of dull even though they may happen to be yours. _________What I do find encouraging about these Hulk TBs is that there are many here who like the film while still being able to suggest flaws. Not so polarized a debate as you might think. Thanks for the civilized discussion by the way. Cheers.
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he was surprised that this sequel is shaping up to look pretty decent. But what he still ponders is why Rambo gets to rip heads off anonymous Burmese villains, but he's doomed to cross the globe running from a guy nicknamed "Thunderbolt". Hulk puzzled.
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So all the fanboys will drool over this prospect for the next year and then somehow be surprised when they see it that the movie stinks. Despite the fact they already know there is a shit director on board. It's a crazy world.
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...it had one of the best extended action sequences ever. I'm talkin' about his desert rampage. AW YEAH!
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Dude does not work enough. This movie will be better with him in it.
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I don't think Hurt is an upgrade from Elliot, but I do think he can pull it off. It won't be a typical Thunderbolt Ross-type performance, but I think it can work.I also don't mind Liv Tyler at all -- somehow she seems to exude a hotness beyond her physical appearance. To me, anyway. MS Jennifer came off as too frumpy. But we'll see.
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but it sure isn't a downgrade, and at least they got someone else good. I'm pretty amazed at this cast and Iron Man's. Not too shabby.
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...with these groaner headlines. Can't someone stop the lameness foisted here by you?
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William Hurt is a soft talking nice guy actor, not a hard charging army General. I don't ever recall him even yelling in a movie and General Thunderbolt Ross YELLS A LOT. Kirby even had spit coming out of his mouth why he was barking out orders to the Hulkbuster elite troops. And how are they going to get a Pansie guy like Hurt to put a Cigar in his mouth?? I'm interested in the other people cast so far but William Hurt is wrong as General Ross. Ain't no Thunderbolts there.
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He's a great actor but he's got to be the last actor you would think of playing General Ross. I thought Sam Elliot looked perfect as Ross. The only thing missing was that there was no focus on how determined he was to capture the Hulk. William Hurt looks nothing like Ross and really doesn't have the intensity needed for this. This choice sounds like they are just trying to get actors who have names so they can fool people into thinking this will be a great movie . I was excited when I heard about Edward Norton but this piece of casting makes me wonder what direction it's going.
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I do think Hurt is an odd choice for Ross - but he is a fantastic actor. And History of Violence was freaking brilliant - I'd never seen a film that dealt with those issues so poignantly and disturbingly. And the first Hulk was its own unique film that will always be controversial - I do think it was too smart for average audiences. And I love it when people complain that it wasn't true to the comics. First, I think calling it an Oedipal complex is a knee-jerk, pop-psychology response to the father situation and totally misreads the plot. But almost every element of the film had already been in the comics before the film was made - abusive father, murdered mother, tendency for repressed rage BEFORE the accident. Even the damn Hulk dogs that everyone bitches about were already in the comic (the only difference was they worked for the military and not Banner's father). Granted, the whole Rick Jones subplot would have been cool, but still. Lee's film was completely faithful to the themes that the comic has dealt with. Now I'm curious how they'll deal with the Blonsky story.
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Perhaps it will send a message to the rest of the film industry that you don't have to be married to the continuity of these comic book franchises for the next 10 years. I liked the last Hulk film (A few people didn't). Those few, who didn't, clearly will be glad to see a different directorial vision. I also have no problem with seeing a different movie take on the character either. Different art and writer teams do their own take on these characters in the comic books after all. In the end I was disappointed with Bryan Singer's take on Superman (Although it was an interesting idea). I didn't want a revival of the 70's franchise. And I hate the idea that that we are going to be stuck with that for the next X number of movies (simply because the studio thinks that it has too). It would be great if Warner's could just say "Well Superman returns was an interesting idea, now let's let someone else try something different".
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that there'll be "hulk" cats in this? And will The Hulk fuck them?
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Smash Hurt Hulk Er.
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in what was otherwise a pretty dismal film. That movie was just bad all the way around.
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But William Hurt is a terrific actor. But seriously, you know who would've been an amazing General Ross besides Elliot?? Robert Duvall baby!
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Sam Elliot is good, but casting him as Ross was almost too obvious, what with his rugged features, handsome batteship grey hair, and his accent. Maybe the part just wasn't written well, because instead of coming off as a great Sam Elliott performance, it just seemed like your average stereotypical narrow-minded army general (or colonel, or WTF)
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You know I'm right.
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AICN doesn't give a rat's ass that John Hurt's been cast in Indiana Jones 4.....Give me a break..
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Hulk fights Galactus at the end.
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I unfortunately seem to be the only one who thinks the first Hulk movie is incredible, pun intended. It's better than any other Marvel movie with the exception of maybe Spider-Man 2. Hulk 2 is shaping up to easily be the best Marvel/superhero movie EVER!
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When you screw the pooch, admit it and start all over. Don't keep trying to polish a turd.
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And do a clobberin' good job of it, will you?
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But , I dont even have any flesh and bone friends who agree with me Hulk was a great film.
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Hurt is a great actor but doesn't have near the gravitas or menace of ole Sam as Thunderbolt.
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Everything seems to be coming together in a really weird and distinguished way...just like the first film. Could this be a case of those not learning from history in danger of repeating it?
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Norton is the 'actor of his generation' who is stuck in a B-moive rut at present, as is Roth and indeed, it seems, Hurt. All are intruiging actors but all are in the career doldrums which implies that the script ain't 'all that' as it stands. The choice of director here confirms this and this casting also reinforces those signals and I fear that this will be fairly mindless and artless when compared to Lee's original film. Hurt is an interesting casting choice if this were being handled by Cronenberg (now THERE'S an idea for film 3!) but alas not. Elliot was the perfect Thunderbolt Ross and this casting worries me a little. I just hope Elliot's out there watching the Dude, "...takin' it easy for us sinners..."
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Even though it might seem like typecasting, since he was so great in X3, Brian Cox would be ideal for this role. 2nd choice would be a 15 years younger Brian Dennehy, 3rd would be Fred Thompson if he wasn't running for Prez.
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Andy Griffith as Thunderbolt Ross. He can do loud and mean. Plus he has plenty of white hair.
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One Flew Over The Cuckoos nest starring Shia LaBeouf.
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I don't give a shit who's in it, this movie will make four bucks at the box office. Don't they know that it's TOO SOON for a Hulk reboot? That's just how devastating the first film's "failure" was. Norton, Hurt and everyone else involved will forever be known as second stringers...and that's word to your mother!
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the marine starring john Cena. It was about a marine plyed by JOhn Cena. On a mission of revenge to take down the bad guys. Its out now on Dvd. Dont worry I havent seen it and have no intention of seeing it. The reason I mention this. is this is kind of movie those who hated the first hulk movie possibly saw and want more of. Ie the Marine is Dumb dumb, dumb lots of explosions and high body count and minimal dialoug. It was reviewed on a tv3 review show popcorn in the section called on the shelves. You can either have two types of comic books. A comic book movie with a brain or a marine like comic book movie.
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The whole movie reeked of amateurs.
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I really don't understand why so many people are saying this movie has a better cast than Hulk. Edward Norton? Sure, he used to be a great actor, but in the past few years he's been sleepwalking through most of his movies. Liv Tyler? Are you fucking kidding me? Jennifer Connelly wasn't terrific, but she's actually an actor. Tim Roth is a goddamned wonderful actor, but he loses against the double awesomeness of Nick Nolte and Sam Elliott. Same with Bill Hurt; great actor, but compared to Sam Elliott, it's like George Clooney compared to Christian Bale.
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Regardless of how good or bad the previous installments were, the people involved had their shot, I want to see someone new involed. It would really reflect the differences of comic books- changing artists and writers to get entirely different tones out of something. While I like and appreciate keeping the same actors, changing everyone up for comic franchises doesn't seem like such a bad idea- assuming the stories are kept standalone.
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AWESOME!!! Then again I also liked the first one! To be fair though a big green monster throwing a tank half way across Nevada is worth watching in my book. Can't wait for the trailer
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as long as Jack Black is not in it, well, the film can't be all that bad.
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was the fact that there was no real anger scene.There where plenty of him smashing stuff but I wanted some kind of bullying scene.You know what I mean, a scene where you feel really bad for banner, your shouting at the screen for him to change and teach them a lesson.The only time they got that kind of emotion going was in the last scene in the jungle. 'No! They can't take the poor peoples medicine! Kill them HULK!' But then the film ended.Other than that I thought it was an amazing film, so deep, so interesting. And that editing, it should have won an Oscar for that.
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I don't know. I'm one of "them" who liked Lee's Hulk...I don't think you didn't understand it and I did or some bullkack like that...I just liked it nuff said..sure the end fight scene was off and the hulk-dogs kinda dumb-ish. But Connely and Bana were great castings and Elliot was perfect for Ross. Not too mention Nolte is just plain bat-shit crazy so that worked up till the psuedo-"absorbing man" nonsense. But thematically I really liked Hulk a lot and certainly consider it far superior to the shite of late like FF, DD, Elektra, Cat-Woman, etc. Hurt is a great actor for character drama but not so sure about actions movies. I hope this works but there's an inherent awkwardness with Hulk so recent but who knows...
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The Ed Norton thing didn't bother me that much. Although I really couldn't picture him in the role, I figured that he's a good actor, so he'll work it out. Now casting William Hurt makes me think they're trying too hard. William Hurt is one of those guys who everyone is supposed to think is a great actor. So in a way hiring him gives your movie, non-street cred. It's like snob cred. So having both of them in it, makes me wonder what they're trying to do. They also could be trying to replicate Batman casting, which they're not doing because that cast actually is cool. This one just seems like it should be cool. And Tim Roth is official, right? Yeah, this movie might be too hip for me.
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Yeah, I'm a bit perplexed as well. I mean what exactly is a semi-sequel, anyway??
And, I still don't know how I feel about all of this Batman redux...
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director but then I remembered he directed Danny the Dog (Unleashed here in the UK).The action in that film is brilliant and it also very emotional.Watching just the Transporter films would make you believe he is of TIm Story or Micheal BAy quality but watch Danny the Dog and you'll agree that this man does have a lot of talent.Also the soundtrack is by Massive Attack - Greastest band in history.
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He's got a lot of talent, and an eye for beauty, but all of his movies leave me kind of cold. (Especially Brokeback Mountain, which was as cold as cowboy balls.) The only one he directed that I really liked was Sense and Sensibility, but that had more to do with Emma Thompson and Kate Winslet. His hulk had its moments, but was... ponderous, in a slow-motion flash-back-itis kind of way. I missed Hulk having dialogue, too. Now, Bill Hurt can pull off Gen. Ross, and I like Elliot's take, but it should have been Nick Nolte's role from the get-go. I reckon Leterrier's Hulk will be all about action and smashing shit, so they better take their time and do it right. Well, this one's going to have The Abomination, let's hope the movie's not one.
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I still watch it. I like it better than any of the X-Men movies. In my book only Spiderman 2 tops it. And that includes Batman Begins.
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Only made 20 millon more than Ghost Rider and he's heaps more recognisable than Ghost Rider.
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The TB spurred me to watch it again with a overtly critical eye. I really think it's a top notch film, but I can see why so many thought otherwise i.e. needed more action (on that I disagree). There are clearly a few on this board that feel the same way I do. I really can't see the faults that others find. I understand them, I just don't agree. It's my favorite Marvel film. I'm trying to keep an open mind about this new one, but the casting isn't doing anything for me. Great actors, sure, just the wrong choice. But it's very early. I thought Bana, Connelly, Nolte and Elliot were perfect. I have low hopes about this one, but as I said early, I'm trying to keep an open mind. *sigh*
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sucks. I don't care.
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one man's inner conflict and GIANT MONSTERS RAMPAGING. Please stop with the Ang Lee stuff. The absorbing man concept was strip-mined and corrupted and his father popped like a giant water zit at the end. Wow...
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If you want your mythic duality, bring on the Abomination.
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slap a mustache and 15-25 pounds on that man and call him Thunderbolt.
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Gone? How Sad Indeed..
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I heard Hurt has also signed on to Indy 4.
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Any scene with the two of them talking would be just like...a mind-fuck. Don't even bother with punctuation if you know they're gonna be cast Mr. Script man. Fuck, I'm almost going into a trance right now just imagining it. Jesus
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I liked a lot of the first Hulk movie, but there were things in that film that were so awful they eclipsed anything worthwhile.
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Nobody cares when a comic book character or story is reimagined in comic form. In fact, I almost feel like it's expected by the audience. Seems like comic book fans and audiences don't care that much about failed story lines and lame outings, as long as they eventually deliver the goods. We are far too forgiving.
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Was HORRIBLE! I tried really hard to like it. The action sequence in the desert is the only decent part of the movie. Out of all of the Hulk villians, Abomination, Leader, Modok. They came up with Absorbing Man as his FATHER and hulk dogs, one being a POODLE. I challenge anyone to logically explain what was going on in that film. I hate villians who are insane for no reason. Why was Banner's father trying to reconcile with his son one second, then trying to kill him the next? What the fuck happened at that military base in the flashbacks? Hulk is part starfish? Dudes, the classic gamma-bomb orgin story would have made more sense than that.
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I am in love with Lees Hulk.And I really didnt care for The Transporter,.But man,Transporter 2 was so over the top stupid,something inside me justkeeps sayin"You know itl be a good time".A reboot of all these comics can do us some good.Maybe the third Hulk can get to Jarellas world after all.I just wish more had an appreciation for Lees like I do.But then again,Im that talkbacker who takes a beating when I let loose my hatred for Superman 1 and 2...HeWhoCannotBeNamed:You made the Christmas card list too
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http://tinyurl.com/ypksau
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Anybody read about that? He's coming back from exile in space to take out on the ones who sent him there.. Mr. Fantastic and Iron Man.
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I've got some time on my hands before beddy-byes so I'll politely answer your questions/gripes for you... Sometimes insanity doesn't need a reason. Sometimes people just go over the edge. Sometimes they're born that way. I have a relative who's crazy and we're still not sure why. But maybe David Banner is crazy because he's a bipolar schizo genius, because he accidentally created a monster, because he killed his wife, because he spent 20+ years in military solitary confinement with a lot of really bad baggage. Could be any one of those, but reasons were there for you... David Banner's main reason for seeking out his son was to finish the experiments he originally started, to discover the secrets he originally sought, that is, to expand beyond "our God-given boundaries." And Bruce contained that secret within his DNA. David wanted to kill Bruce at the end simply because Bruce/Hulk attacked him. (David wasn't trying to kill him with the Hulk dogs, only to test the limits of Hulk's power, all part of the experiment). In the flashbacks, David sets off a gamma bomb on the base. The starfish at the beginning, as well as all the other animals, showed us that this Hulk's origins also stemmed from genetic experimentation. There had to be something inherent in Bruce for him to turn into a Hulk when exposed to lethal doses gamma radiation. In physical reality, anyone would die from that, or in a logical comic book reality, everyone would turn into a Hulk, which is kind of silly. David Banner's initial genetic experiments on himself which created a genetically altered Bruce came from his research on the regenerative and primitive DNA of starfish, jellyfish, lizards, and other animals. It's why we saw them in the opening credits. In Ang Lee's film, Hulk is thus a physical abomination of the two most powerful physical forces on Earth, nuclear energy and genetics. So this really makes more sense than the comic's original gamma bomb origin, because otherwise everyone would turn into a Hulk which is silly, because logically everyone should die when exposed to a gamma/nuclear bomb explosion. A scientific genius Stan Lee was not. Anyway, I hope this cleared up a few things for you. Regards.
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Officially, David Banner wasn't the Absorbing Man, he had a power that was similar to Absorbing's. The main idea behind Banner Sr. absorbing things is that is represented who he was as a scientist. What are scientists but "absorbing" sponges of the natural world around them. Scientists seek, question, observe, and experiment in an effort to "absorb" knowledge. Knowledge is power. Knowledge is the key to bettering the self. And this was Banner's ultimate goal. So with Hulk experiment turned on himself, David Banner becomes an abominable symbol of what he is, one who absorbs. But he can't control it, and thus begins to absorb reality itself. He reaches the scientists ultimate goal, he absorbs the secrets of the universe, of God, itself. And he can't handle it. And thus we have the really crazy ending for Ang Lee's Hulk...
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Anyone thinking Norton is stuck in a rut or sleepwalking through roles should check out the recent Down In The Valley. It's a good film, and Norton is excellent in it. Again, it's another quiet indie type of thing, which I know is not too popular around here, but it's worth a look if you like that stuff. I loved it.
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David Banner was obviously a genius in the film. It's not impossible that he could deduce the extent of his new powers, perhaps he even experimented with electricity in a scene we never saw. Or perhaps (and this is what I'd think) he was just freaking insane out of his mind. As for the Hulk suddenly being able to think, if you notice throughout the film, (and I assume you didn't), the Hulk was evolving throughout the film. When we first see him, he is only about eight feet tall with a baby's face. He even acts like a baby in reaction to seeing his father. The next time we see him, he is about fifteen feet tall, his facial features more like an adult's. When we see him in the desert battle, he is a full twenty feet tall. We even see him problem solving, using the tank as a shield against the other tanks, we even see him pull a heroic act at the Golden Gate Bridge. The Hulk is growing from a "baby" to an "adult". In keeping with this "evolving" theme in the film, it only makes sense that our "growing, evolving" Hulk would eventually talk when he screams to his father "Take it all!" And in the end, the lake does not blow up, David Banner as the giant absorbing thing absorbs the energy of the nukes and, in essence, saves his son. After the blast, we Bruce is fully conscious, but the Army assumes they killed them both with the nukes, so it's surmisable that Bruce is able to slip away in the dark. Not such a ludicrous climax if you think about it. Hope this helps Coughlin...
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Hulk's size in the comics changed according to which artist was drawing him. His size never changed (as far as I know) within a story. The "evolving" Hulk concept is Ang Lee's/James Schamus's. But actually, Hulk did evolve in the comics over decades, so perhaps Ang Lee was also representing this "evolution" within the film. And the "ridiculous" panels weren't just to make the film like a comic book, go back and watch the film again if you can stand it. The panel-style editing and digital morphing represented the "evolving" theme of the film and the concept of alternate realities, alternate selves, as in the Hulk. Ang Lee even stated this in an interview I read somewhere...
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I dunno about you but I take comfort in that.
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I gotta say, the first one was really well-made and thoughtfully produced. It actually gave a better origin story for the Hulk character than even the comics themselves had provided. My only complaint with the film? The unrealistically durable nature of those purple pants. I mean, c'mon; the guy nearly tripples in size and they STILL stay on? HOW!?!? But then, it was probably for the best that we never had to set eyes on what we would have otherwise seen.
My only beef with the Hulk story as a whole is that, while it is, theoretically, possible for a person to grow three times bigger in even a very short amount of time, it vexes the imagination as to how one might similarly three times smaller in any amount of time. But, I suppose that is part of the suspending of disbelief that we viewers must always execute to some extent when in the theatre. -
I might also add that, in my humble opinion, one of the primary reasons for Ang's Hulk to have bombed at theatres here in the U.S. was that the movie was apparently too deep for many viewers, who seemed to have found the classically tragic and moving nature of the film to have been over-their-heads. Also, there were the die-hard Lou Ferrigno fans who found it too difficult to grasp the complexity of the notion that something just over two meters tall cannot possibly execute the feats of strength displayed by the Hulk of comicdom: scientifically speaking, no body so short could ever, EVER twirl a tank around and toss it a quarter of a mile. But die-hards are die-hards, and comicbook geeks pay the bills, or don't pay them, as the case was for Ang's unjustly unappreicated gift to Marvel Entertainment.
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Just because a movie has a lot of weighty ideas doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good movie. To be sure Ang Lee had a lot of geeky reasons for why the hulk was but none of those highfalutin notions congealed into a good narrative. I also had beef with Banner basically being a genetic mutant. Honestly, if his wild transformation isn't something we can relate to (the audience being comprised of only 1% mutants) then who the fuck cares? The Hulk is more or less Mr Hyde, and his trigger for becoming this destructive abomination should have come from a more dirty human place like your typical 'roid freaks not something as convenient as, "Oh, his father mutated him... nothing to see here." I'm yawning just thinking about it.
I will confess that I've never read the classic hulk stories, only a synopsis and what modern writers have chosen to do with him. Maybe Lee's movie is faithful..? Then again the golden-age flash got his powers through hard water :-/ Should Hollywood writers stay faithful to that? -
Jun 14, 2007 8:28:31 AM CDT
More original ruminations on comic book characters
by franklin t marmoset
Like that one above about Hulk's shorts.Can any woman handle Superman's super sperm?Speaking of Superman, how come no one recognises him when he has glasses on?Hey, don't you think it's odd that Bruce Wayne is always hanging around with that young Robin fellow?Can Mr Fantastic stretch his weiner? You know, so he would have a really big cock?etc.Anyway, thanks leavittj1982. Those were a funny couple of posts. Hulk: "apparently too deep for many viewers". Zing! Hilarious. You crack me up, buddy. They should put that quote on the DVD box.
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A few Golden Age issues of Detective Comics had Batman and Robin sharing a bed with each other. Yuck. I would have preferred Robin to have actually been a female, to be honest.
As for Superman, it's been said somewhere that not only does Superman ejaculate prematurely because of his super-sensitivity to stimuli, but he only ejaculates one, single sperm, because any more than that would be practically redundant, and painful. His ability to go unrecognized by those who know him simply by means of donning a pair of glasses has been labelled an effect of some latent, telepathic, manipulative ability of his.
Yes, Mr. Fantastic truly is Mr. Fantastic. Everybody knows that. Expect Johhny to gain a new respect for his brother-in-law in the coming movie, in which he acquires all of his friends' abilities.
One more odd thing about Batman, incidentally, is the statistically unlikely physical attributes shared by Batman and the first three Robins: all of them are Caucasians with black hair and blue eyes, a phenotype that rarely occurs in the real world.
There are, indeed, many, many cut-corners in Comic Book Land. But saying that exposure to radioactive fallout can turn people into super-strong giants is laughably childish. In fact, I think even Family Guy did a parody of that sort of thing: radioactive ooze gives the Griffins super powers, but when Mayor Adam West tries to do it by throwing himself into a pool of similar ooze, he only gets lymphoma. -
If so, that might not be good. He DID assist in ruining the X-Men franchise. And don't forget Elektra or Inspector Gadget.
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you fellas. It's just that once my pants are on. I make gold records.
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People say that Ang Lee is terrible and Hulk is bad because he did BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN, and American society is terribly homophobic, so they equate Lee with homosexuality, which is negative in their eyes. Therefore, HULK is bad by association with Lee and homosexuality. Sad, really.
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that should be "say"
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