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Dome22 goes absolutely bananas over teh Bay's TRANSFORMERS!

Published at: June 13, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here with an early peek at TRANSFORMERS - and daaaaamn I can't wait to see this. Picked up an Optimus voice changing helmet... fantastic for webcam sex chats! Anyways - here ya go... beware of tiny spoilers and some encouraging enthusiasm. Here ya go...

Hi Harry, You don’t know me, but I know you. I’ve previously submitted a review for ‘The Host’ (under the mock-goth pseudonym Womb2Doom which I don’t like anymore, fuck you very much) but you greedily kept it to yourself. Whatever I attended the “world premiere” (in Sydney, Australia – the exclusive owners of the McOz burger) of Transformers last night with Michael “Do You Have It In Flames” Bay in attendance. He explained that he’d just finished the movie “19 minutes ago” and that we were the first audience to see the final film. Quick background; I have fond affection for the Transformers cartoon but do not remember much about the series except the broad basics (they transform). I immensely enjoy Michael Bay films as I understand that they’re not going to shine me the right way or make me appreciate the elderly on all three levels. They are just there to make my dick harder for longer. Which bring me to the following conclusion: those people out there who rued the day Michael Bay picked up directing duties for Transformers are idiots. Out and out fools. A flame on a once-flameless robot does not a bad movie make. Paul WS Anderson would have made this movie flameless and delivered a turgid pile of soggy salmon stool sample. There is NO OTHER director working today who could have provided the over-whelming spectacle that I witnessed last night. Exhilarating, and then some. This movie is exactly what a 2 hour live-action Transformers episode should be. In fact, I’m going to go as far as say that this is very possibly the best TV to big screen adaptation I can recall (having only recalled The Fugitive, Mission Impossible, The Mod Squad and Charlies Angels: Full Throttle). Transformers totally recaptures the euphoria of being 7 years old, sitting on the carpet in front of my old television set, TOTALLY engulfed by the awesomeness of fighting Transforming robots, neglecting my rice bubbles until they neither snap, crackle nor pop. Everything great about 80’s action cartoons from the action hero poses to the cheesy-fun good guy/bad guy back and fourths is here in hearts, diamonds, clubs, and spades! Before going into specific details about positives I shall address the “negatives” which are escorted here in inverted commas for the sheer fact that it never once hindered this experience for me. Now, some will claim that the first two are pretty big negatives but when you have giant robots dancing around said “negatives”, I raise my shoulders, close my eyes, turn my head slightly right and exclaim, “meh”; 1. First up, and this includes a detailed plot summary; I had NO IDEA what the hay was going on here. Ever. The whole movie. I looked around to my mates who had the exact same look on their faces – I don’t know what is going on but I am loving it so much the sides of my mouth will soon bleed from the smiling! I think it had something to do with a cube that may or may not be a bad influence on the XBOX 360 community. 2. Second “negative” was one of things that adversely affected the latter two of the threquel efforts this year – over-crowding. There is pretty much only two human leads in this movie but dozens of supporting players to drop bits of exposition in between the stomping and driving and giant smack downs. These characters are usually quirky, funny or unusual (Jon Voight’s secretary of Defence gives Harrison Ford’s Mr President a run for his money in the “useful” department) in any number of ways and most get their moment in the sun. This may be the first movie that Bernie Mac didn’t annoy me but this may also be the first movie he only had eight lines. There are way too many more to mention individually. John Turturro – “Criminal girls are HOT!” Thank you, Jesus. 3. One CG shot. Yep, I’m scraping the barrel. This CG man may have been pretty bad but once he gets flicked off screen I laughed and forgot my troubles with a big cup of warm smash-em-ups! 4. The small gremlin-bot. Stupid and pointless. My only true gripe about the whole movie. Specific positives; 1. Michael Bay. I’m sure all the plot information was actually featured and repeat viewings would render my number one complaint redundant (except for Sector 7, the most powerful arm of the government that has no power) but this film moves with such g-force gusto, I couldn’t care less. This is the most fun I’ve had in a cinema without Paul Ruebens (I like to stay up to date) 2. The action. There are so many individual action set pieces I can’t and won’t tell you. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is a winner, even the annoying gremlin-bot. The first time Barricade transforms on-screen brought the house down. This was early on and we were treated to many, many more structure descending moments 3. The Decepticons. These guys are just too school for cool! I was induced to several joygasms, specifically the first time they assemble as a team appearing on screen in radio communiqué announcing they are on the way with something like “Bonecrusher, en route!” (in alien transcribed-to-English subtitle). This was a toy commercial brought to lovely life. I love that at the end of this sequence they all announce “All hail Megatron!” 4. The end city based action sequences. Easily the best thing to appear on screen since three V-Rexs went primal a few years back. 5. The score. Steve Jablonsky delivered a thumping great score and is possibly the sole reason gremlin-bot is tolerable. 6. CG. Flawless in every respect (except for point 3 in the “negatives”). Michael has come a long way since the blurred pixels of Armageddon. I think the biggest compliment I can pay ILM for this is that not once during the movie did I stop and think “Wow, great CG!” It worked perfectly in hand with the story and action like it should. Very impressed! 7. Meagan Fox. Too sexy to continue typing with one hand. 8. Shia Le Beof. Great in the lead. Very funny, dramatically convincing and charismatic. He worked well to hold his own against his metallic co-stars. I don’t want to over-sell this and come off all leafy but this, for me is an instant classic of mega-proportions (I just over-sold it, didn’t I?)! I just won’t believe that any true Transformers fan could sit through this and not be anything but blown anyway. This IS a Transformers movie! You can call me Dome22

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  • June 13, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Stoked.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Fuck the haters. I can't wait to see this movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    First

    by vettebro

    Yeah

  • June 13, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    DAMN

    by jonnyweir

    so close

  • June 13, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Almost..

    by vettebro

    Anyway, this movie is going to rule! First big summer flick.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Please

    by fan291

    Please let this be true. I really want this movie to be good. (as in summer popcorn flick good)

  • June 13, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Picked up an Optimus voice changing helmet... fantastic

    by arrangedletters

    for webcam sex chats! And now that is forever burned into my brain. That just makes goatse seem normal.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Damn overcrowding

    by Kragmose

    You ruined Spidey 3, but made Pirates better. Please don't ruin Transformers.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Ahem

    by smylexx

    Since hollywood really love franchise movies, i think they should make a spider-man,transforemers-pirates cross-over movie. Trans-Spider-Formers of the Carribean would be a fabulous idea with a sexually confused robot arachnid travelling the high seas and poking monkeys with a stick. Keith Richards would play one of the monkeys.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    HA

    by arrangedletters

    I normally don't care enought to say this but PLANT. Either that or written by someone who really wants us to think he has mad writin' skillz.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    We Must be due the first cry of 'Plant'..

    by Pawprint

    Any time soon. Me, reinforces my belief that this will be a good summer spectacle. Very excited. Points for all those who want to cry plant - too much praise for Bay, the negatives aren't really negative... go on naysayers; have some fun with it while the rest of us look forward to the film!

  • June 13, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    A must for any fan!

    by richfinshu2

    Check this out, I just stumbled upon it tonight, anyone who's a Transformers fan should check this out, and it's not my link on youtube, but it's a riot, thought you guys would appreciate it!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1_6D9QS9Y&mode=related&search=

  • June 13, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    What else did you do sitting on carpet?

    by AxeBox

    What a fucking plant. A paid plant is a plant nonetheless.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    on the link...take out spaces

    by richfinshu2

    http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=bq1_6D9QS9Y&mode=related&s earch=

  • June 13, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Harrison Ford plays the President?

    by googamooga

    Or am I just easily confused?

  • June 13, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Yea, yea, yea!!! BUT DID YOU LIKE IT???

    by wackybantha

    I kill me.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    arrangedletters...

    by Womb2dooM

    nope, just gots me some mad skillz. Except Harry took out my commas and the like...

  • June 13, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Where is Gayus?

    by Fartgod The IRSTard

    Come on Gayus, spread the hate--- well everyone else loves it.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:09 a.m. CST

    I just transformed about six inches!

    by shartron

    Please let this be better than the garbage we've been subjected to so far.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I wrote the review !!!

    by Womb2dooM

    Honest - check out my history on this here very site. You can read the name change explanation in the first paragraph. This movie is beyond great and all haters/non-believers can just deal with that.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE. OI OI OI

    by tnt23789

    wished i attended the world premiere. where was this??? sydney???

  • June 13, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    not a plant

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

    i believe it

  • June 13, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Did no one see the part about Harrison Ford?

    by googamooga

    Was that supposed to be an uncredited surprise cameo? There's a listing for "President's Aide" on IMDB, but no listing for the part of the President. Hmmm....

  • June 13, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    That link was F'ing funny!

    by vettebro

    Thanks guys.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    The promise of Bay

    by LoneGun

    Michael Bay's movies continually generate widespread enthusiasm and anticipation. They look great in advance. But the trailers for his films turn out to be better than the films themselves. I always walk away from his movies feeling unsatisfied. Maybe this time it will be different. He certainly seems to be in his element with TRANSFORMERS. I've always thought of him as a kind of Saturday morning cartoon director. Perfect.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    What that review really meant...

    by Mr Gorilla

    This movie, like Spider-Man 3 and Pirates 3, looks great but is in fact a pile of shit - with no story.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    PLANT!!!!!!!!

    by Doc_Strange

    I stopped reading when he said he loved Michael Bay movies. WHO THE FUCK likes Michael Bay movies?

  • June 13, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Give Me Crap As Long As There's Robots!

    by Colier Rannd

    Seems to me, and I guess I'm one of those "fools" that is supposed to take this review seriously after beng called a name, that if you're gonna let a thing like, oh I don't know, plot get thrown aside just to see robots you're gonna deserve whatever crap they hand you from now on. And I won't say "plant" but it certainly seems like since Harry hypes this movie so much (if it comes out in Blu-Ray he'll be screwed LOL), and then the first review is this....it doesn't look good.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Can we get people without brain damage to review movies

    by jimmy_009

    I hate these idiots that must include lines like "fuck you very much", "They are just there to make my dick harder for longer", and "Too sexy to continue typing with one hand." No one thinks you're funny, witty, or heterosexual you pathetic asshole.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Jealous much?

    by googamooga

    ?

  • June 13, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Indy as President

    by vettebro

    Dudes, I think he was making a comparison. Voight in Transformers and Ford as President in Air Force One. Get it?

  • June 13, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    As I said, I'm easily confused...

    by googamooga

    Though it is interesting that there is no listing for the character of the President, unless he's simply not in it.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    I actually liked

    by christpunchers2007

    armageddon.... i remember watching it in theaters with a bunch of other kids when i was much younger, it was quite a ride. I dunno but michael bay does bring big movies to life but some of his other stuff were very weak. I think if you go into TF with okay expectations you might find it fun. I dont hate Bay but I dont love the guy either.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    To all the haters...

    by vettebro

    Be honest with yourselves...You're going to go see it. You will probably be in line opening weekend. We all know it.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    I say the haters envy Bay's success...

    by googamooga

    Personally, Armageddon didn't do it for me, and while I liked Pearl Harbor a LITTLE better, it wasnt great either. That said, I thought both Bad Boys movies kicked ass, but then that's just my opinion, and since it's positive, it means absolutely nothing in this forum...*Sigh*

  • June 13, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Nice

    by livrule

    Happy days. How was Smith as the voice of Megatron??

  • June 13, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Here's another hillarious Transformers clip...

    by vettebro

    Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v= udJF1Ej4n9I&NR=1

  • June 13, 2007, 1:43 a.m. CST

    True, I am jealous

    by Doc_Strange

    But it's only due to the fact that I know I can direct a better film with a true vision but I'm not in the position to go and do just that. If I turned back the clock 10 years or so and went to film school or just tried my hand at directing some low-low budget sci-fi fare, maybe I could have made this movie for what it should have been. Alas, I am a consumer, and with that, I'm always right. And I think I'm right in saying Michael Bay movies appeal to the lowest common denominator and suck the big donkey dick.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Doc_Strange, great point;

    by Womb2dooM

    "Michael Bay movies appeal to the lowest common denominator and suck the big donkey dick." Succinct.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST

    "These guys are just too school for cool!"

    by The Brewhammer

    Definitely a plant. And his review is making this sound like it'll suck harder than Roland Emmerich's Godzilla. I'll save my cash for Die Hard 4.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Pixar stock just went up...

    by Thylacine

    I encourage all true Transformers fans to see this film on opening weekend- while holding tickets to Ratatouille in their hands.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST

    LIKE I SAID BEFORE...

    by BigBlackDude

    ...this movie will be a classic. I said that like a month ago. Nobody ever reads my posts... it's because I'm black isn't it...

  • June 13, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Pearl Harbor...Bad...

    by vettebro

    but...The Rock and Armageddon good...

  • June 13, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    GOTTA SAY IT...

    by BigBlackDude

    DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!

  • June 13, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Nah, I think Ratatouille will be a classic...

    by Thylacine

    You know, with it's good story-telling, well developed characters, and beautiful designs. You know, things that make a good movie. Too bad old Redhat gave Brad Bird the big burn and hired Mikey McFlame instead. Old boy's slipping.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    A BULLSHIT REVIEW

    by VWantsRevenge

    Whatever. This isn't a review of the film. Shit, I could've patched this piece of spunk together myself using the trailers, IMDb, and the press packets. Nothing specific in this thing. Where's mention of Arcee, or Megatron's voice, or Bumblebee's transformation from old Camaro to new Camaro. This guy is all wrong. He ain't no plant, but he also probably hasn't seen the movie. You people don't buy this shit do you?

  • June 13, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Boll, does that dude still direct?

    by Doc_Strange

    I thought his investors finally came to their senses.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:04 a.m. CST

    FUNNY...

    by BigBlackDude

    This is like the third positive review I've read on the net and people still refuse to except that the movie doesn't suck. I don't get it.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Well, thank God, this guy's OBVIOUSLY a genius

    by Brians Life

    But don't worry right guys, "it ain't Shakespeare". So, ya'll are excited about a movie in which the guy giving it the GOOD review said that at any given moment (DURING THE FILM) he had NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON!?!? How close are some of you to enjoying the 90 minute long "just an ass" movie from IDIOCRACY!??!

  • June 13, 2007, 2:09 a.m. CST

    I WONDER IF ALL YOU HATER WANKERS ARE GETTING...

    by bongo123

    worried that this movie might actually be good..neh great! and after all the fucking shite you twats spewed about crap script, crap director, crap actors, crap designs...need i go on you toolbots! so what do we have then...hmmmmm sounds like a fucking blast of a movie and you basement dwelling G1 cretins can all go an fuck cause the Bay has delivered a fucking storm of a movie and you wankers can all go an cry about being so fucking wrong its gotta hurt.. hahaha dickheads!

  • June 13, 2007, 2:11 a.m. CST

    VWantsRevenge... ask me a question...

    by Womb2dooM

    I wrote the review (as explained in the opening paragraph of the movie) ask the question. I'm not going into detailed spoiler territory. What do you want to know. Honestly, Weaving sounded like he stepped straight out of the cartoon era (make of that what you will). The old to new camaro scene was BRILLIANT and played out to the Kill Bill tune (where o-ren ishsi walks with her crazy 88). Bernie mac is only in the beginning as a car salesman. John Turturro is head of sector 7. The end credits feature the starscream flying into space. What else would you like to know...?

  • June 13, 2007, 2:11 a.m. CST

    MESSAGE TO HATERZ

    by BigBlackDude

    Leave this site and don't return until August. Then Harry and the crew will probably be reviewing some artsy fartsy film you'll worship.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    PLOT DOES MATTER

    by Maniaq

    So the ONE and ONLY problem I had with mBay directing this movie - which I aired WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY back when this project was still "in development" and there was still time to inject some sort of semblance of a STORY into this thing and what is on the TOP of the list of points about this film?? <br> <br>THERE IS NO PLOT TO SPEAK OF!!<br> <br> DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Womb

    by vettebro

    Does Optimus have "lips" or just the mouth guard? And...does the mouth guard move when he talks?

  • June 13, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Yes...

    by LordEnigma

    I hear that sound. It's the sound of all the 3 movies from May crying in fear. As they say...GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS ARE COMING. CHEW ON THAT...BITCHNUGGETS!

  • June 13, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS 2...

    by BigBlackDude

    BATTLE FOR CYBERTRON. Unicron, must see Unicron... fuck I aint even seen the flick and I'm already talking sequels. I'm going to bed now, too excited.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    vettebro. It's pretty much lips.

    by Womb2dooM

    Kinda metal triangles with gears moving in his mouth (which you can barely make out). I didn't find it annoying but my mother wasn't a transformer like some of the aboves mothers apparently were.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:24 a.m. CST

    I just realized what I REALLY like...

    by Brians Life

    Since I truly believe this movie WILL be shit (a la it's director) and am therefore labeled a "hater" by those that refuse to accept the bad director, casting and script and MUST find anything fanboy related to be a spectable worthy of praise....since I AM apparently THAT I only like "artsy fartsy" movies. I can in no way dig Predator, Terminator, Die Hard, or any of the great action movies that have graced our ages...since I'm so damn artsy fartsy I couldn't possibly enjoy a brainless fantasy flick like Hawk the Slayer, or Krull....NOPE...it's all Citizen Kane and Delicatessen for me. In case the point is electronically lost....SARCASM, TOOLBOXES!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS =

    by BigBlackDude

    = THE ONLY REAL BLOCKBUSTER TO COME OUT OF A MAJOR HOLLYWOOD STUDIO THIS SUMMER. go figure.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    "Optimus, you sure that's you on my webcam?"

    by Boba Fat

    "There seems to be ginger hair flowing out of the bottom of your face" <p> "All part of the transfomation baby"

  • June 13, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    other screening

    by Billy TwoRivers

    i'm pretty sure that there was another advance screening in new york on monday at the amc lincoln center, at least that's what i was told. i was in the "stoploss" one and heard that a transformers one was going on next door, but have been surprised that nobody from that screening has written in, so i don't know.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    LETS ANSWER THE REAL QUESTIONS SHALL WE!

    by THE KNIGHT

    Why on earth would you put DESIGNER FLAMES ON AN ALIEN ROBOT!

  • June 13, 2007, 2:35 a.m. CST

    fellow Aussie in attendance

    by Maclovin

    I was at the screening in Sydney last night too. I go to a fair few of these screenings and i would have to say this was the most excited and impressed crowd I've ever seen come out of a theatre- there were nothing but smiles walking out. And throughout the film there were huge cheers and whistling, some guy even yelled "home-run bay!" when the credits rolled. I don't really like any Bay films, and I wasn't convinced that Bay could pull it off, so to speak, but this (and 28 week later) to me is my favourite film of the year so far...

  • June 13, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST

    FLAMES ON PHARTEGOD =

    by BigBlackDude

    = a dead charred second cousin.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:38 a.m. CST

    FLAMES ON PHARTEGOD =

    by BigBlackDude

    = a dead charred second cousin.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    also...

    by Maclovin

    This was the first "public" screening of the "final cut". They had test screenings in the US but it wasn;t final prints, the finishing touches were done 19 hours before the one in Sydney.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    PharteGod, typically....

    by Brians Life

    ...I fucking HATE those that do what you're doing. But I gotta admit, they've all been spot on. This movie is, much like most things the masses enjoy, is helping to halt the progression of America. There. It's yours.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Well this guy lost me at "Bay Fan"

    by Phategod1

    This review comes from the same place Bay was aiming for "The Lowest Common Denominator" Let save all the sycophants, people the ability to enjoy shit movies, and people who love bagging on people with taste and expectations by saying Its my opinion And I'm sticking to it.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    YO PHARTGOOD...

    by BigBlackDude

    Ever heard of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder? Get help. Goodnight my friends.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    I smell someone over posting...

    by The Dum Guy

    so please ban.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST

    bleurgh

    by lionbiu

    can AICN get someone to review this movie who is not a complete tool. Great to see a review dismiss anyone who wanted a good plot and good acting as 'hater's....this is truly the fall of good cinema.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Transformers made me blow

    by triggerman

    I was there, Sydney premiere at the entertainment quarter. Honestly, if you go to this movie expecting an oscar worthy script (let alone one a 4 year old could write) you will be dissapointed. But its not about that. The action in the movie was fantastic, the pacing of the first half hour, the epic score, the sound effects that im hearing in my sleep... its perfect! Im not a fan of the comic books nor did I watch the cartoons, but I dont think you have to be a fanboy to enjoy seeing a fighter jet morph into a robot mid air and then bash a fighter jet, only to morph back into a plane, catch up to another fighter jet and yes, bash the shit out of it. The car chase scenes are stunning, michael bay will win you ALL over (except the wankers with to much pride)Promise.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Will you listen to yourselves.. We want a good plot...

    by bongo123

    good acting and a great director.. ffs, from what ive read it would appear that Bay has delivered a great transformers movie!? why the fuck cant you accept that? you havent seen the movie yet and anyone that has, has said it was a blast... its a fucking movie about giant robots you fucking tools not fucking shakespear and the only guy on the planet who could direct a movie about giant fucking robots is Michael fucking Bay!! get over yourselves and get over the fact that transformers is at its core a fucking ludicrously stupid idea so the only way to realise a movie about big robots in a realistic setting is to make it a specticle not some fucking deep meaningful artsy fucking movie... jeeze you guys are a serious bunch of wankers, have yet to watch to movie and do nothing but rag on day in and day out.. are you fucking morons or somit? am i missing something here? seriously i think im missing something, i really cant quite grasp the concept of hating something that i havent seen... guess you need to be an american to truly be that fucking stupid.

  • June 13, 2007, 3 a.m. CST

    and someone for the love of god ban that moron Pharte

    by bongo123

    wankers fucking ip address... fucking children these days...

  • June 13, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    I just read hte comic adaptation

    by IndustryKiller!

    and it is absolutely identical to the script scene for scene. No difference whatsoever. So there goes the theories of any major changes being implemented to the script. And if you like that script you are just plain easily amused.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    NO PLANT BITHCES!!!

    by MastaBerates55

    After seeing the movie 6 hours ago and going in with pure hatred of Bay as filmmaker and a person I swear douchebag was born to direct this franchise... NO ONE would have been able to shoot this type of PSHYCOTIC action except that fuckhead aka Bay. Yes there is problems in the flick but if anyone watched transformers because it wasn't robots transfuckinforming into a fucking car, plane, boombox/stereo and beating the shit out of one another... this movie is not for you. Story is good, Action is INSANE, Shia is actually really good and megan fox is incredible. I felt like i was 12 years-old again. YOU WILL GET OVER THE DESIGNS CAUSE I HAVE BEEN HATING TOO, BUT FELLAS I AM TELLING YOU THIS SHIT IS EVERYTHING YOU WOULD WANT IT TO BE. it pains me to say it, but kudos BAY... It could have been the greatest, but i will settle for GREAT.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    bongo

    by triggerman

    Agreed. This is possibly why they release it in Australia first. Americans are obviously too intellectual to appreciate it!? hehe. I made myself laugh.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Sounds like brainless Bay-tripe

    by photoboy

    And coupled with those TINO designs means this film = FAIL.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    I'm simply no longer addressing the argument of.....

    by IndustryKiller!

    "It's giant robots not Shakespeare!" First of all when you say "It doesn't need to be shakespeare" you sound like a fucking idiot who is name dropping a writer the works of whom they have never read but understand to be quite talented. Second of all nobody asked for the next Citizen Kane out of fucking Transformers. If you have trouble understanding an argument that lies somewhere in the middle of Michael bay and Shakespeare then you need to either get your GED or read any number of past talkbacks where literally hundreds of points have been made as to the skepticism of the Michael Bay film.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:09 a.m. CST

    I don't know if I should be

    by Phategod1

    Flattered, annoyed, pissed, or confused.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST

    second cousin of phartegod

    by The Dum Guy

    You are not funny, and if you are I'm void of humor (or the ability to know it).

  • June 13, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Aha phartetosser.. your doing it for the Humour..

    by bongo123

    ..i see, that makes sense now, you couldnt pick a better place to be a moron, transformer talkbacks are full of them, you must feel at home here amongst your fellow morons

  • June 13, 2007, 3:13 a.m. CST

    actually MastaBerates55

    by Phategod1

    that what I've been waiting to hear. please elaborate.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Let me get one thing straight: There WAS plot...

    by Womb2dooM

    The WHOLE movie was plot but the pace was SO fast and overwhelming with so much giant robot badassery filling the screen that I didn't waste one second trying to concentrate on why they were chasing and tackling and shooting missiles at each other. I actually truly believe that true Transformers fans will get way more out of this then me, with my very limited Transaformoverse knowledge. But I'm not going to change the minds of those whom have very clearly made their minds and can only be proved embarrassingly wrong come July 4th (or earlier to other parts of the world).

  • June 13, 2007, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Right back at you

    by MastaBerates55

    I honestly don't wanna give shit away. You will have moments of "R U FUCKING KIDDING ME" but the good out weights the bad. If you really wanna find something to hate about it... you will... but i assure you that you will walk out of there saying "WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED, THAT WAS FUCKING INSANE" 2 old guys walked out in front of me and said "That was way too much action" Trailer shows NOTHING!!

  • June 13, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST

    so only "artsy" movies have a PLOT??

    by Maniaq

    Let me break it down for you Bongo. Doesn't matter what the story is ABOUT. It can be ABOUT giant robots or it can be about the prince of fucking Denmark - doesn't matter. What MATTERS is if I go into that movie and I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON then it's a shit movie. <br> <br> A shit movie about Gremlins, a shit movie about the Titanic, a shit movie about the queen of England, a shit movie abou Jar Jar Binks, a shit movie about giant fucking robots - IS STILL A SHIT MOVIE!!! <br> PERIOD.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Look up the dictionary definition of 'hack'

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It says: Michael Bay

  • June 13, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Womb2doom...

    by Brians Life

    Just curious? How much time does Shia get on screen as opposed to Optimus Prime or Megatron?

  • June 13, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Industrykiller, think about what this movie is about?

    by bongo123

    a giant robot movie...yes a movie about giant transforming fucking robots based on a severely dated 80's cartoon (your probably one of those G1 pajama wearing fucks, but anyways), I use Shakespeare because his works are considered classics of both storytelling and character development so saying Transformers and Shakespeare in the same sentence is meant to be taken as sarcasm not some wish that transformers has some of the qualities of the Bard’s storytelling, its just pure sarcasm. As for Michael Bay, well it would appear that he was the right choice for this movie after all the positive reviews this movie is getting, which makes me smile at all those talkbacks were asshol..people like you dissed him left right and center and now we hear that he was the perfect choice to give us what the majority of the fucking world wants… a giant robot mayhem spectacle of a movie, and you .0005% of the fucking population, all 30 or so of you can all gang up together on opening night and sit play autobots in your backyard while the rest of us go watch a summer popcorn movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    I wonder who this guy used to be

    by Phategod1

    Lets guess from his comments he's clearly someone who hangs out in the Tb's this is not AINTITSHOT he (AINTITSHOT) does not post here enough to know all the TB terms. I don't think I've made THAT many enemies So I think this is more a attack on AINTITSHOT (disclaimer for newbs) [AINTITSHOT is the screen for a Talkbacker who has stated that he is one of Don Murphy stooges and a Student in college but He has be banned numerous times and has come up with numerous plays on my screen name and now employer, it is my personal belief that AINTITSHOT is really Don Murpy only too cowardly to admit it]

  • June 13, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Maniaq have you seen the film yet? no you fucking

    by bongo123

    havent so stop being a fucking sheep and following all the other morons in these talkbacks and make up your fucking mind when you do see it... you know like normal people do...

  • June 13, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    HATER HATES NO MORE

    by MastaBerates55

    Michael Bay is a HACK. I couldn't agree more. Speilberg has slipped and so has Lucas. Point being as a true fan of the cartoon. I say this is a 10. By the way... Anyone who this SPIDERMAN-3 is good or even descent can suck my balls. Talk about shitty story, horrible plot, HACK directing, and a waste of 300million dollars. Transformers is sick and what he means by no story which he must have been stoned while watching is it has a very good pace. It doesn't drag except one scene that could have lost about 4 mins but overall BAY actually did something right. It would have been great without flames and lips but honestly they really don't bother you. DUDE BROUGHT OUR CHILDHOOD BACK FOR US AND MADE MEGAN FOX LOOK LIKE THE HOTTEST CHICK TO WALK THE PLANET! It has some good laughs, and great action. Walk in with doubt, and you will walkout stunned and wanting to go home and jerk it to MEGAN FOX.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Action aside

    by Phategod1

    How are the Transformers? other then Prime Do any of them hae any personality.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Shia is the main star.

    by Womb2dooM

    Optimus features pretty heavily but bumblebee car is prbably the main bot star. Shia has loads of charisma. He does an excellent job with some of the sappier/cornier scenes.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Problem being MastaBerates55 is that the dickhead

    by bongo123

    haters are so fucking entrenched up there own arse that they cant see past the fact that Michael Bay has made there beloved fucking transformers movie when in there own fucking heads they couldve done so much better, at least your a Bay hater and a cartoon lover and you fucking liked it, i just wish i was there opening night to see them fucks actually enjoy a Bay film then come on here and diss him like the fucking hypocrites they are

  • June 13, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi

    by triggerman

    Bay said it was finished 19 hours ago. You dont think he may have been exaggerating or something do you? Is that what your trying to say? Is that what you think he was doing phoenix? jeesh Do you also think its strange that more than one person at the screening heard the same thing? oh yeah phoenix.... reeeaaalll flowery.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Personality

    by MastaBerates55

    they are all pretty badass, one i personally didn't like where they took his character but it still wasn't enough for me to hate on. They are all badass, and don't backdown from shit. Frenzy can be annoying but it works. It's a temp until Soundwave rocks the sequel and rocks it hard. Starscream is BADASS. IRONHIDE IS DOPE TOO

  • June 13, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    I really should get back to work, but this so much

    by bongo123

    better... was it just me or did the Invasion trailer actually look pretty fucking good?

  • June 13, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Phategod1...

    by Womb2dooM

    Most feature their own recognisable personality but it's pretty much what they can do in a battle that counts. the Decepticons were all baddass, especially in their driving/flying. I LOVED their one line exchanges. Totally throw-back stuff. One complaint (I didn't include in my above review coz look how long it is already) comes from one of the Autobots who needed a stronger character for where it mattered in the final reel and didn't have it.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi

    by triggerman

    nice one phoenix. im actually bruce willis. not bay.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Dude u kidding

    by MastaBerates55

    BAY is a cheeseball motherfucker... He has nothing good to say and i hate hearing the asshole talk. I am sure that is bay humor since he cut it in LA and i saw it in LA and the other dude saw it in austrilia where bay is at the moment. HE WAS TRYING TO BE FUNNY I AM SURE. WHO THE FUCK KNOWS OR CARES. HE SAW THE MOVIE I CAN TELL BY THE SHIT HE SAID. So back the fuck off and see it when it comes out and get blown the fuck away. SHIT IS LEGIT!!

  • June 13, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Anyone else at the Australian EQ screening

    by Womb2dooM

    notice the crappy resolution in the darker scenes? I don't think that the digital print was finished. BTW I thought I heard "19 minutes" which I took as obvious exaggeration but I could have misheard. I did have a lot of information pushed out my head to make room for the lovely images and smashy memories...

  • June 13, 2007, 3:41 a.m. CST

    So the storyline is confusing and doesn't make sense...

    by RevSick

    ...you know some people may go to a movie just to see the pretty colors but I expect there to be a story involved in there somewhere. I'll be waiting for video thank you very much.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    I saw it in LA and we had a

    by MastaBerates55

    I saw it in LA and we had a couple of black frames in it. Wasn't final print for sure cause the resolution was off for sure. Womb good call on the final reel. Bugged me too. I missed the starscream flying off though.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    We may as well face it....

    by RevSick

    ...they're going to throw plant after plant after plant at this in an effort to do dammage control over the whole fanbase debacle, I'm less ashamed of them than I am of all the people who were pissed off who got swayed because Murphy or Bay agreed to go on their site and do interviews. But most of all I'm pissed that a movie with a bad storyline, with admittly in every review comments about how the story suck, gets a total pass so everyone can make Bay/Spielberg/Paramount happy.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Dude I know 2 people who

    by MastaBerates55

    Dude I know 2 people who worked on the film... They haven't even seen it yet nor do they get shit for you seeing it. Think P.A.'s get backend points on a film. People have questions about a movie they are stoked for and people are being cool enough to tell them the truth and their opinion of a movie that they have to wait and see in about a month. You obviously have your opinion and I really don't think anyone is trying to change it, cool. As for the people who would lke to know what a real fan of the cartoon thinks, SHIT WAS MONEY. I will see it again, not only for the reason that some of the action is so quick and insane it's hard to keep track at points what is going on "in the action scenes. But maybe because the last 40mins is non stop mayhem. PEACE

  • June 13, 2007, 3:54 a.m. CST

    What is good direction about that?

    by RevSick

    What is good about not being able to see what the fuck is going on, you're at a fucking movie, you should be able to see what the fuck is on the giant fucking screen! How is that "money" that is bad fucking direction, when you can't tell what is going on, it's bad film making!

  • June 13, 2007, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ Bongo

    by IndustryKiller!

    On your point about Shakespeare, fine. It's still sounds incredibly silly in an argumentative sense but I getcha. On the side of the reviews coming into AICN gimme a fucking break. If you are the kind of guy who can believe a review that says he enjoys Michael bay because he "Makes my dick harder for longer" then god help you. It's painfully obvious this guy is going to love the film regardless of the merit of it's content. Hell I;m not even sure he has seen it. WE have yet to see a single respectable review that lays out any points as to why this makes a successful film besides "Giant robots fight!". If that is literally all you need from the film then let's just agree to disagree right here and right now, because there is no point in you and I continuing this conversation. I read the script and the comic adaptation and find the both horrendous. I've laid out the reasons why countless times and don't think I need to explain it again other than to say it is not an arbitrary dislike. You may or may not have read either but given the fact that he did insert giant robots into the film you will without question love the movie. Good and well, let's just let it go in that case.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    dude i am talking about a

    by MastaBerates55

    dude i am talking about a few frames here and there. The major battle scene in the city is so big in scope and a few shots you can't really see what exactly is going on... i got stuck in the front row i was paying attention to the detail of the robots man. It's nuts when robots are smashing through buildings and rockets are flying everywhere.

  • June 13, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    hey Superninja I know you'll

    by Phategod1

    pop up here sooner or later what do you think of MastaBerates55 assessment. I love the fact this movie has what it takes to convert a Bay hater But I'll be damned if I give Mighty Murphy My money. (monkey.)

  • June 13, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Two guys in the same forum talking the same shit...

    by RevSick

    ...is a little suspect. And sorry dude but I've heard the same shit over and over, the story sucks but when it gets to the action there's so much you can't tell what's going on. That doesn't make for a good movie. Watch a good big action film, there's always a ton of shit going on when the shit hits the fan but you can tell what's going on. And I love how when you hit the appologists with something the only counter is "well giant robots blah blah blah".

  • June 13, 2007, 4:09 a.m. CST

    It's Godzilla 1998 all over again...

    by RevSick

    ...same arguments, "but there's a giant lizard blah blah blah, no story, bad acting, but giant lizard blah blah" just swap lizard with giant robots.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Industry, of course i take the reviews coming in on

    by bongo123

    this movie with a pinch of salt and yes makes my dick hard comments dont exactly add up to credible reviews, but then again we are talking about a michael bay film and his movies are basically balls out action, meaningless dialogue and fast as fuck cuts so tell the truth the guys that are sending in these reviews are exactly the sort of people this film is aimed at.. which i have to admit is also me, i hate pretentious reviewers that cant see past shit and just like a film cause its silly and fun, which is probably what the majority of reviewers will have to say about this movie, but who cares, the movie looks completely fucking baddass and to prejudge a film before seeing it is fucking stupi irregardless of whether you have read the script or comic book espicially in the case of a heavily effects laden movie which a script or a comic cant possibly hope to convey

  • June 13, 2007, 4:17 a.m. CST

    You know the only thing that would possably make me...

    by RevSick

    consider viewing this tripe before dvd would be an apology from Bay and Murphy for the following, A. not being upfront with it being a completely new generation/designs, if they would have said it was a re-imagining from the begining I wouldn't have had a problem. B. (and most importantly) Don Murphy's behavior. This is the biggie, if they were to come out and sincerilly apologize for his behavior towards the fan base I might, MIGHT, pay to see it, is if they were to nut up and admit their mistakes. But they're fucking children so they won't.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:17 a.m. CST

    What was wrong with Godzilla? it was a big fucking

    by bongo123

    lizard wrecking newyork.. whats not to like?

  • June 13, 2007, 4:19 a.m. CST

    What's not to like!!!!

    by RevSick

    It's a total piece of shit travesty that is what's not to like. It was a hollow piece of product with no soul what so fucking ever, with no passion, with actors sleepwalking through their performances, it's not even remotely watchable. It's one of two films I've ever stood up and walked out of and demanded my money back for it simply being a piece of shit.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Revsick wise the fuck up, its a fucking movie made

    by bongo123

    by a hollywood director and your a fucking nobody... fucking apologise.. jeeze, why dont you wait and see it on cable for free while the rest of your mates have a blast watching a big fucking dumb movie... ffs *cries why did they rape my childhood G1 dreams... grow the fuck up man

  • June 13, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Revsick you need to wise the fuck up, Bay is a

    by bongo123

    Hollywood director, your a fucking nobody.. an apology ffs!, turst me, your in the serious fucking minority when it comes to who this film is aimed at, so stay at home with your dreams of G1 fucking stupid designs and your autobots fucking fanclub pack and let the rest of the normal world go out and have a blast with what looks to be a fucking great summer popcorn movie... *cries they changed the original designs and didnt email me... fucking grow up ffs, its a fucking movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    oops double kinda post...

    by bongo123

    fucking talkback is going into meltdown...

  • June 13, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    oops double kinda post...

    by bongo123

    fucking talkback is going into meltdown...

  • June 13, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    How the fuck do you know what I've done....

    by RevSick

    ...I've met alot of those people when I was doing writing, fucking watched Amytiville Horror with Bay, Fuller, Bruckheimer and the rest of the cast, doesn't mean I have to like the guys work. Look Bay one on one is a nice enough guy, but I don't have to like his films. And frankly, he's supposedly a professional, and same thing with Murphy, and as someone who's had to deal with people like him and others in a professional manner I expect them to behave accordingly and when their people go onto sites and bash the fan base their trying to get into the pockets of I feel they should appologize for their childish behavior.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST

    and by the way as I said before I wouldn't have

    by RevSick

    cared about the designs had they not lied about them till they were leaked.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    It's like the remake of House of Wax....

    by RevSick

    ...I love the original Vincent Price film, now when the remake was announced they said flat out that they were taking the base premise (i.e. a house of wax, people being turned into wax dummies) and turning it into a modern piece and doing their own thing with it, so I was fine with it. When Rob Zombie said he was taking Halloween and doing his own thing with it, I was fine with it, do I agree with all the changes, no I'm not but hey he told everyone flat out he was doing his own thing with it. These guys lied flat out about what they were doing, had they said from day one, "hey we're just taking the concept of transforming robots and making a movie out of it and calling it transformers" I would have been fine with all the changes, they didn't, as I've pointed out before they went so far as to roll out a giant G1 Optimus Prime style truck onto the comic con floor, that sends a pretty strong message. So when they images leaked and everything was different people got pissed, some about the fact that it wasn't all G1-centric, me I got mad that they lied about it. Then Murphy went on the attack and was acting in a manner un-becoming of a professional film maker/producer, in fact he was acting like a child. That's where I stand and I think those are both perfectly legitimate reasons to feel that they need to apologize to the fan community.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:41 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi, RevSick - settle...

    by Womb2dooM

    We're all just a coupla movie lovers wanting to share the love in a peaceful environment. The bottom line os, you haven't seen the movie. Nobody ragging on the movie has. You know how I know? Because you are ragging on the movie. It's as simple you don't understand how much this movie is everything you dreamed and MUCH more. An entire twenty paragraphs of glowing review and you pick out only the negative points. Get over your pride and allow hope to enter your crushed existences.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Apologise!? apologise to the fucking fans!? ffs

    by bongo123

    the vast majority of the fans will be going to see this, the fans who are pretentious and up there own arse who demand an apology are nothing but a bunch of fucking losers.. your a nobody and why the fuck would a somebody want to apologise to a fucking nobody!?

  • June 13, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Dome22

    by theyreflockingthisway

    It seems everyone who has anything positive to say about this movie, such as this guy, gets labelled a plant. With so many positive reviews of Transformers appearing on the web, can't you just accept that this film might actually be really good? <br><br> To be honest I don't care what all you negative "fans" think. No matter what was written in that review, you'd have ripped it apart. You people just want to find something bad about it and, I'm guessing that, even if this is the best action film to hit the big screen in years, you'll still write it off just because they put flames on Prime. <br><br> This is what I love about hardcore nerds - a movie is made just for them but, because of a small ommited detail, they write it off and refuse to see/like it. Then the rest of the world goes and enjoys it whilst they stay at home in their room with their original comics, toys and cartoons never moving on with their life. It's just crazy.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    I find bad plot and story to be a big one when

    by RevSick

    you're asking me to pay 10 bucks and sit with a bunch of obnoxious kids. I will check it on video at most as I've said before, I've never once said that I will never see it, I just won't see it in the theater. I'm sorry but there's no excuse for bad story, the whole idea of movies is to tell a story, and when the story sucks you've got a bad movie. I don't go just for the eye candy, you do, that's fine for you but not for me. Money is a pretty precious commodity when you have bills to pay.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Because its' all the "nobody's"

    by RevSick

    who pay their fucking bills. If I fuck up at work, if I lie to the people who give me my paycheck I better fucking nut-up and appologize for my misteps. And who are you to call anybody a nobody, what the fuck have you done with your life? Once again, you don't know what the fuck I've done so go get fucked with your nobody shit.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Fuck i dont know about you, but after those kick ass

    by bongo123

    trailers id pay £30 just to go sit and watch 1hr of set pieces, heck going to see this film is gonna cost me the guts of £35 in the VIP rooms over here in belfwast, at least i wont have to put up with 4000kids and have big comfy leather recliners to sit back, eat popcorn and go OOOooooo & AAAhhhh at the special effects... fuck im easily pleased... watching this sort of movie on fucking tv is a travesty of massive proportions

  • June 13, 2007, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Never once said it was a bad story.

    by Womb2dooM

    And that's my bad for not explaining myself. I said I had no idea what was going on. The exposition is dealt hand-in-hand with the CONSTANT action and I chose to concentrate on the action. I do believe this movie's story will actually alienate anybody not familiar with the cartoons (myself included). This movie is hand crafted FOR THE TRUE FANS who are robbing themselves of the greatest big screen event of the past few years because their Optimus no longer matches their jammies! I GUARANTEE RevSick will be seeing this within weeks, if not the opening day, of release. This I know.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    actually it's better when you have an

    by RevSick

    HD TV and kick ass surround sound but I digress. All I wish is that they would sort out this silly format war so when big SFX films come out I can pick em up on an HD format.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Nope will not be there...

    by RevSick

    ...I'm going to FF2 in protest. At least I know what I'm getting with that, the only downer being Cloudactus, yeesh.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Your still a fucking nobody mate, fan or no fan

    by bongo123

    boycotting this movie because you didnt get a fucking apology is hilarious and not ponying up $10 just to go see transformers on a big screen instead of your 14" black & white lo-def tv is tight as fuck mate, open the wallet and let them moths out and go watch a braindead movie for once in your life, who knows you may actually like it and if you dont, its fucking $10 wasted but hey at least you got to see some cool sfx

  • June 13, 2007, 4:56 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi, whoa...

    by Womb2dooM

    "its a dick in a box mother fucker!" You scare me. Kinda tense. I'm going to stop talking with you now...

  • June 13, 2007, 4:57 a.m. CST

    As I said,

    by RevSick

    my problem has never been the designs, it's been that they lied about it and rather than say "hey we got a little carried away with all the G1 talk, sorry for the confusion" they attacked the fans and that's bullshit. The cosmic pin hole that you have to fall through to make it big in this industry is so miniscule that anyone lucky enough to do it should be eternally fucking greatfull so to attack fans is beyond unprofessional and I won't support it. Hell had they said nothing afterwards but complete silence that would have been fine, but they didn't, so oh well, they'll have to wait till I see it on dvd to decide if I like it and will pick up the dvd then.

  • June 13, 2007, 5 a.m. CST

    Lets not get carried away

    by MastaBerates55

    Alright it's one thing to speak what i saw, but u are going a little overboard with the "FOR THE TRUE FANS" little far. you will get mad about shit and the flames shouldn't bother you as much as the lips should. That fuck bay lied about that shit and that pissed me off more then the flames and yes megatron isn't a gun which works in this one. I just wanna know why phoenix is so mad. we all know if you swallowed a generation 1 transformer in it would come out with semen and flames. Go see hairspray this summer instead since that is the movie Murphy really should have produced.

  • June 13, 2007, 5 a.m. CST

    'It's not fucking Shakespeare'

    by Mr Gorilla

    For everyone who uses that line of argument, let's be clear: we are not expecting TRANSFORMERS to be Shakespeare. But from the amount of fuss made over blockbusters these days, we ARE expecting it to be half-decent. Jaws, Star Wars, Raiders, Back to the Future, T2, Die Hard, The Fugitive, Lord of the Rings, X2, The Matrix, Batman Begins, Prisoner of Azkaban... these are just a few of the many films that got bums of seats but are also decent films, with characters and plots. Summer blockbusters do not have to be like The Mummy, or Godzilla. They really don't. This whole thing of 'great visuals, shit storyline, but whaddya want, it's just a popcorn flick', that whole attitude is exactly opposite to what this site is meant to be about. Which is normal viewers telling studios not to feed them crap.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST

    And I didn't say that's why I'm boycotting the movie...

    by RevSick

    ...I said I might see it in the theaters if they did. And if all you can add to the debate is personal attacks then I'm done with you and will continue a more productive discussion of the merrits of the film with others on the board.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Womb2dooM of course Rev and everyone of the

    by bongo123

    other crazy lunatic fans in these talkbacks will go see it, they mighten go see it opening night because of all the shite they've spewed down the comic book shop to all the other G1 nerds about how shit it is, but once they start hearing from there "normal" mates they might sneak off to an afternoon show and probably wet there pants at how fucking great it is, then they'll go see it again and again and again and then go down to the comic book shop and they can all talk about how shite michael bay is and how there never going to go see it.. and each and every fucking one of them will have seen the bloody thing about 10times each... its a cert.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    second cousin of phartegod...

    by Womb2dooM

    "This joke *getting* old"? You must love yoyos...

  • June 13, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Bayisms

    by Darth Fart

    Is the editing hyper? The camera moving in every shot?

  • June 13, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST

    and I'm not saying...

    by Mr Gorilla

    ...I'm not saying that TRANSFORMERS is crap - jeez I'll be seeing it like everyone else on this site. But I sat through The Mummy and Godzilla too, and at least I had the honesty to admit that those films were turds. Which it seems many people didn't because those films made MILLIONS.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST

    I think Phartegod likes shiney things... the simple are

    by bongo123

    always easily amused.. and Revsick stop getting your panties in a twist, personal attacks on the intaweb are nothing more than rants from nobodys safely tucked away behind there monitors, take everything i say with a pinch o salt mate i seriously mean no malice to you but that fucking phartecunt is doing my napper in...well hes not really but i thought id make the little moron jump up and down on his stool at the thought of him actually annoying me...

  • June 13, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Designs...

    by RevSick

    ...to clarify my opinion of the designs to Master and Womb. I have no issue with the alt mode changes, hell Megs was a tank at one point and that was pretty damn sick in the cartoons. I understand how licensing works and you're not going to be able to get every car to match the original, so no problem there. I have no problem with Jazz or Optimus, I see their heads and say that looks about right, it's the other characters that have no semblance, and I never have said they should look exact I have said they should at least somewhat resemble those characters so when I see em I go, "hey that's megatron, cool". SO I've never had too much of a problem with the designs outside of them lying about what they were doing in the initial run up before the leaks, then it was all the lying with the "alot has changed, these are initial designs, roughs, blah blah blah." if they would have just manned up and told the truth I'd have no problem, they didn't so I'm not going to watch in the theaters. Now as far as the storyline is concerned, I would hope the movies I see have more then just generic action movie plot number 234. I don't think it's too much to ask for good writting in a movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Cannot wait for this film.

    by SteffanLongdon

    Harry, this is your best revie in a long time (Pee Wee Herman & Meagan Fox lol). I myself think Michael Bay is often very underated on AICN along with Eli Roth for some insane reason.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Beside better to yell and rant and argue pointlessely

    by bongo123

    here than have to work out heat loss calculations through different building fabrics and then design a suitable heating/cooling systZZZzzzzzz..... fuck im bored and wanna go home, get stoned and re watch the Thing and Jaws for the umpteenth time

  • June 13, 2007, 5:11 a.m. CST

    It's a really good movie. I

    by MastaBerates55

    It's a really good movie. I respect the fact that you don't wanna pay to see in the theatre. As a true fan i am telling you that you really need to see it in the theatre, so pay for another movie and walk in and see it. It is solid. especially if those things didn't bother you, cause they bothered the fuck out of me and even that way i walked out having enjoyed the shit out of it and wanting to see it again.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Rev are you really that pissed of that Bay lied

    by bongo123

    to you about the designs? man... what age are you?

  • June 13, 2007, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Bongo, I try not to take offense...

    by RevSick

    ...but I've worked my ass off and starved myself trying to get done what little I have gotten done in the industry so it's kind of a rough spot. I know you're just trying to take the piss out of people but my work is one of the few things I take seriously. But I'm not seeing it in the theaters, I'll be watching it on my HD in the comfort of my own home and surround sound system.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    It's a matter of professionalism dude....

    by RevSick

    ...he could have lied about anything and I'd be pissed about it cause there's no need, none what so ever. There was no need to lie to convince people to see this, the whole idea plus attaching Spielberg too it puts butts in seats, period. So for all that to go on it pisses me off from a professional standpoint.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Surely then you should know that the movie buisness

    by bongo123

    is a take no prisoners fuck everyone buisness thats all about making money from as many people as possible and to hell with the fans... if you know this, then why get angry? thats like getting pissed off cause a lion is eating you when you jumped into its cage wearin a steak necklace

  • June 13, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Second cousin is a imitation BSB

    by Phategod1

    Revsick I saw your post with the Amytivill comment and it got me thinking? 1st thought : your not ryan renolds are you ? Second thought Ryan Renolds would make a great green lantern.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Pay for Chuck and Larry!!

    by MastaBerates55

    Pay for Chuck and Larry!!

  • June 13, 2007, 5:19 a.m. CST

    SO much more competant then The Mummy & Godzilla

    by Womb2dooM

    I do admit the movie has some genuine failings in the family directed moments (and they are just that) but I honestly think this movie, while not as intellectually engaging as The Matrix and Batman Begins, delivers the all-important Transformer delights at full throttle. I'm talking a two hour long action scene that does ride the rails of a story. *I* just didn't have a clue what that story was (broadly it's about finding a cube thing and getting it off the planet before Decepticons get it). I don't know why people would trust my comments about story but out and out disregard my points about entertainment value. After all, that IS the main reason to see this movie, right. To be entertained? Right? This isn't Raiders, this is Transformers and is incomparable.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:20 a.m. CST

    And Totally agree about the apology

    by Phategod1

    Maybe not from Bay he has detached himself greatly compared to Ole 2'chins. But Murphy Owes me a personal opology for attacking me personaly on another site And I'm sory but if the Salty teen flips you off at the Local Bk are you buying his BK stackers or pirating the hell out of em?

  • June 13, 2007, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Ryan is fucking hilarious....

    by RevSick

    ...but wouldn't want to be him cause I wouldn't want to be stuck fucking Alanis Morrisette. Ryan is actually one of the most down to earth people I've met, fucking great guy. It was really a shame that he and Jessica Beal had to handle all the press for Blade Trinity because Snipes was being a bitch, but hey it was an awesome junket cause I got to meet RZA from Wu Tang and that was awesome, although we got way off topic and kept talking about kung fu films.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST

    You're right Bongo it is a fucked up industry...

    by RevSick

    ...but coming from the indie world it doesn't have to be. It is because everyone just kind of accepts it, oh sure they all agree it's fucked but they don't do anything to change it. There's alot of people in the industry who want to open it up so everyone has a better chance to play in the sandbox and there's some things in the pipe that might bring that dream closer to reality but untill that time unless people really start trying to change it it's going to be that way for a while.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Second cousin...

    by RevSick

    ...the whole point of this site is so that dorks like me and bongo can piss fight for a while then make up and have real discussions. Take that away and you wouldn't have a site dude.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST

    RevSick, re designs and lies...

    by Womb2dooM

    That says more about the man then the movie itself. This is just one of those events where the ends appears to have justified the means. But morals are morals and you gotta stand by yours.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Getting interested here.

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    And ban that cunt phategods cousin. Please¬¬

  • June 13, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    You Lost me when you said you LOVE BAY

    by jhpiii

    Obviously....PLANT!

  • June 13, 2007, 5:38 a.m. CST

    I'll be there opening night !!!

    by giger167

    Well the movie looks awesome to me, I'm getting the same kind of vibe as when I went to Starship Troopers (and that turned out OK despite all the sniping regarding the cast prior to it's release) I think the best way to approach something like this is to just go along for the ride, after all any film centred on a giant robot invasion isn't gonna be up for the oscars next year. Also, I'm not understanding the deep Michael Bay hatred coming from site, Ok, the man is a complete tool (see him on On the Lot last week for evidence), but so fucking what, he can direct an action sequence better than any director active today. I don't particularly wanna do dinner and movie with James Cameron either, but doesn't mean I wont be first in line at his next movie. I mean I had a hissy fit when he changed the head design of the alien in his Aliens feature, and look out that turned out hahaha. Just go along for the ride let the other shot go :)

  • June 13, 2007, 5:40 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi, I'm going to break my embargo on you...

    by Womb2dooM

    and tell you to please stop reading my posts. You scare me and I want no part of you. Having said that, what the fuck are talking about "bay is a hack he can't direct anything but action. a real director can direct anything"?! Hitchcock is widely regarded as one of the best directors and could only direct thrillers. Spielberg tried his hand at comedies and fell flat on his face. McTiernan (up to a point) was/possibly still is a great action director. Wes Craven, fantastic horror director. I couldn't see Pekinpah directing "Grease". Please don't reply, you don't have a measured response and I don't have the constitution.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST

    I prefare calling names and yelling and screaming..

    by bongo123

    but hey we all gotta wise up sooner or later, seriously though i really dont know how anyone cant be looking forward to see this movie after those trailers. as for the original G1 designs... guys.. come on, i mean were all in our 30's (well i am) and that shit was cool when we were a kid in the 80's but to expect a G1 movie in 2007 is a bit silly phartegod.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST

    The problem is that the means

    by RevSick

    were never needed to justify the ends. There was never a need to lie about it, ever. That's my biggest problem, there was no need for it at all. TF fans all over would have just looked at it as a new generation of Transformers and that would have been that, but they lied about it and that's bull cause there was no need for it.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:51 a.m. CST

    So he lied rev, man get passed it, you know how

    by bongo123

    the buisness works, they rolled out that G1 model of optimus for all you fans simply because they hadnt finalised the designs, that was purely a homage to the original series not a point blank statement as to were making a G1 lookylike movie. If things like lying about shit can make you boycott a movie then should you really be in an industry as fickle and 2 faced as hollywood?

  • June 13, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi do you just pick and choose your readings?

    by Womb2dooM

    I and several others here have clearly stated that the movie had a story but it occurred hand-in-hand with the INTENSE action. It was fucking difficult to concentrate on both. Really, you have not seen anything like the action that takes place CONSTANTLY throughout this movie. I guess only time will prove me right.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST

    I'm in it to make art man....

    by RevSick

    ....money is secondary, if I make a bunch of money, great, if not I at least made my piece of art and it's honest and true to myself and when I say this is what my piece is that is what you get. There's never a need to lie about a piece you've created.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST

    If I ever get to the point where I get tapped

    by RevSick

    to do an adaptation of something and I choose to go my own direction with it, I'm going to be honest about it, cause when you're not you'll only dissapoint people.

  • June 13, 2007, 6 a.m. CST

    I have to admit the lips bug the hell outa me...

    by bongo123

    the flames, dont give a shit about, but the lips looked really wierd, hopefully we dont see to much of them, but fuck can i not wait to see this movie, womb your one lucky ozzy fucker

  • June 13, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST

    bongo123, "ozzy fucker" nice

    by Womb2dooM

    The lips are a means of expression to help make the bot characters accessible in between thrashings. But don't worry, lies do not escape said lips ;)

  • June 13, 2007, 6:10 a.m. CST

    "home-run bay!"

    by foree forehead

    they do baseball analogies down under? wouldn't he yell "whalloped for six" or something instead? hmm, indeed

  • June 13, 2007, 6:12 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi, re directors

    by Womb2dooM

    Nobody but Mickey B could have made a Transformers this great. Richard Donner?! Seriously? Richard "Timeline" Donner. Richard "Blur the best bits" Donner. Or how about Steven "It's ALL about my father" Spielberg? You haven't seen the movie, champ. I don't expect you to understand but I do appreciate the measured responses.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Bay was the perfect choice as director for this movie

    by bongo123

    this movie is aimed at a whole new generation of kids, not us old fans, remember we aint gonna go out and buy the pyjamas or toys (although some of you might) and with Bays rapid cuts, flashing direction and crazy ass designs the kids these days (fuck i hate saying that) will absolutely love it, they've grown up with MTV trash and love it, to me the absolute perfection of how a movie should be directed is Jaws but show that film to a kid now and it would probably bore them to death. Michael Bay was perfect and from the reviews of normal guys like us and from the trailers, it looks like hes nailed it, and fair play to him, the guy gets far to much shit than is due

  • June 13, 2007, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Richard Donner? fuck no, giant robots? not a chance

    by bongo123

    Gore Ver.. nah not his style, only other people that could've done this would be Steven Spielberg or Peter Jackson... fuck i hope Halo gets made...

  • June 13, 2007, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Womb2Doom/Dome22 chooses HD-DVD and here's why...

    by AndrewWanKenobi

    Sorry, but this review was fucking unreadable. Guy is a fucking retard no matter what he chooses his name to be.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Childhoods...

    by theyreflockingthisway

    Childhoods are more than a TV programme or a movie - at least mine was. <br><br> I used to watch Transformers as a kid but my memories from then are more to do with my school life, friends, holidays, playing sports in summer - the usual stuff. Transformers, like any movie or tv show I liked back then, played a very small part of that time in my life. <br><br> Movies, tv shows and music simply defined the era, not my childhood. If all my childhood was is just one crappy TV show that can be taken away by someone making a film about it and changing minor details then I'd have to admit I didn't have a childhood at all in the first place.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:21 a.m. CST

    foree forehead... actually that comment...

    by Womb2dooM

    was taken out of context. It was either "That was better then shearing a banshee, cozar", "By crikey you hit that for six Bay" or "Struth, Bay that was kanga ROO!". Something to that effect.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    AndrewWanKenobi... what an HD?

    by Womb2dooM

    u confused me why

  • June 13, 2007, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Dome22 Better Be Careful

    by Mad-Maximus

    He might end of getting fired for talking about the movie, oh wait! This is not a Fox property. He's fine, thought the Fox Gestapo would have had him "taken away".

  • June 13, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Bay will one day get an oscar

    by theoneofblood

    Even Cher got an oscar... CHER!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    A few years back...

    by Fenrisulfr

    I would have jumped on a movie like this. Heck I was even at Armageddon's opening day. But as I get older I find it harder to enjoy brainless movies... or at least, movies without decent acting and a decent plot. Take Snyder's 300. Seems every single person loved this movie, while I thought it was okay, visually memorable with a good performance by Butler, but a plot simple to the extreme with no twists. Furthermore the action was way too stylized to be truely gripping and visceral. But what really turns me off in an action movie is when you can't see the action. And that's all what Michael Bay is about. With his shaky parkinsonian camera you simply get glimpses of what is happening on screen. It's even worse in a cinema, with a huge screen with visual diahrrea all over the place. That's why I will not go watch Transformers: because I think Michael Bay's filmmaking is pure visual diahrrea. Now I don't really care what people think, and I certainly have better things to do than picking a pointless argument with some popcorn-eating retard who would have thrown names at me. If you get a boner seeing (I mean guessing) pieces of giant robots crashing through buildings, good for you, it's just not my cup of tea. And indeed, I absolutely refuse to give a cent to check out Mr Bay's new epileptic masterpiece. There's always "other ways".

  • June 13, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Phoenixmagi

    by El Mamerro

    Actually, the aliens in Aliens certainly DID have more doo-dads than in the first movie, a specific request from Cameron to make them look more interesting. Check the head designs.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    AVATAR in 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Transformers can kiss my ass. And Bay can kiss Cameron's.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Suck it Yack

    by Ricky Henderson

    We're gonna fight sometime in the very near future. Bay is a cinematic genius, a modern day Eisenstein, and you're a fool for not recognizing that.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    BAH

    by BRUTICUS

    everyone knew it would be a great movie, how could it fail just having the NAME transformers. It's a no brainer. Its just not the movie most people were hoping for. And if it WERE it would be a better movie for it. Bottom line.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    This year's Little Miss 'I Jerked Off to Her'

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Megan Fox

  • June 13, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Yackbackr, yep, that's pretty much

    by Womb2dooM

    the anti-Bay response we've come to expect. Entirely ironic that every TB argument put fourth on this website against Michael Bay hinges on intelligence with a "fuck you" or "fucking idiot" as the best punch line obtainable in the limited number of hours before the TB dies out. I look forward to your thought provoking response although, if I am to truly receive that, I may just check back tomorrow. Nighty, night possum.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    YackBacker, yep, that's pretty much

    by Womb2dooM

    the anti-Bay response we've come to expect. Entirely ironic that every TB argument put fourth on this website against Michael Bay hinges on intelligence with a "fuck you" or "fucking idiot" as the best punch line obtainable in the limited number of hours before the TB dies out. I look forward to your thought provoking response although, if I am to truly receive that, I may just check back tomorrow. Nighty, night possum. I mean, fucktard... Nighty, night fucktard.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Yes, I see Ricky too...

    by Womb2dooM

    He's VERY handsome! You two play nice. Kisses...

  • June 13, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Next time can you talk about your dick a little more?

    by KillDozer

    The one thing that gets me into theater seats is hearing people describe movies using their dicks. If giant machinery really gets your dick hard, I would pay to see you try and fuck a snowblower. That would be too school for cool, eh? Orgasm!

  • June 13, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Good points there Yack

    by Ricky Henderson

    I'll be pondering them whilst defecating on your grave. Tell me cupcake, at what point in your childhood did Megatron force you mother to give him a rusty trombone?

  • June 13, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Make no mistake Yack, I will destroy you

    by Ricky Henderson

    For too long have you lurked here, ripping at this movie. It's about goddamned cars that tranform into robots. Get over your petty fanboy hatred and accept that fact that Bay was indeed the right choice to make this movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    But will I enjoy this movie?

    by RenoNevada2000

    Not being an emotionally arrested at age 14?

  • June 13, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Yack, I will rip off your head & violate the stump

    by Ricky Henderson

    Repeatedly. Consider yourself warned cupcake.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    You're a nobody Revsick

    by milak83

    A broke nobody who can barely affored 10 dollars for a flick. lol

  • June 13, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Where'd you go Yack you fucking douchebag?

    by Ricky Henderson

    Conversing with the plankton again? Rickey's calling you out--show yourself you worthless coward. Defend your love for a 20 year old children's cartoon. We're all dying you hear you. Keep posting cupcake, statistically, its only a matter of years until you say something intelligent...

  • June 13, 2007, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Flames on Bays Balls = YackBacker

    by milak83

    tis true

  • June 13, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Stay the fuck out of this Milak

    by Ricky Henderson

    This is between Rickey and that worthless troglodyte, Yackbacker.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    I miss you like Michael Bay missed the mark....

    by evolution1085

    I guess Pearl Harbor sucked, just a little bit more than i missed youuuuuu... still classic

  • June 13, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Read the review...oh god no

    by Vadakin

    The ADD generation strikes again. <p> There's a great quote about filmmaking that goes: "I don't want to make movies, I want to tell stories" (free donut for whoever guesses the source) and it story has been thrown out the window. <p> I'm sure the action will be great, but when the reviewer himself says he didn't understand the plot but he didn't care, then there's something seriously wrong with the movie-going public. Even the well-loved cheesy action movies of the 80's had a better understanding of how to tell a story than Bay seems to have. <p> Surely it can't just be me? Surely I can't be the only one who wants some substance to go along with the style? <p> I've seen people come on here and say that the awful script doesn't matter because the action is cool...even Harry has said as much, ignoring the flaws just because there's giant robots kicking the crap out of each other. <p> Turn Johnny into Super Skrull and everyone goes apeshit, but turn Megatron into a background character for the most part and thats ok because Optimus and Bonecrusher have a big fight? <p> Please...great-looking action is no excuse for a bad script. People complain when comic books aren't adapted faithfully, well the same should apply to Transformers, the fact that it originated from a toy company doesn't matter....Spider-Man originated from a fly walking up a wall, and he's one of the most beloved fictional characters ever. <p> In my opinion, Bay proved he can make movies with substance with the first half of The Island (before he Bayified it with bike chases) and we all know he can do action. But he still needs to learn how to do both at once (as The Island ultimately showed). <p> I think the real problem he had with Transformers is that he just didn't understand how to make it work...the same with the the guy who wrote that godawful script. <p> Bay said it himself that he didn't know how to approach it so he looked at it from the viewpoint of an alien invasion movie. The script was filled with cliched subplots and dialogue that just don't belong. <p> He didn't really understand that you don't need to give Spike (as he was in the cartoon I believe) a pointless love interest...the Transformers themselves would have provided the depth...from Optimus' unwavering courage and loyalty to his mission to Starscreams inevitable betrayal of Megatron...there's enough story there from the cartoon and the comic to create a script of both substance and style without relying on worn out cliches and turning the Transformers fromt he stars into the supporting cast. Spike provides the human character needed to relate to the audience...the military get their asses kicked by the Decepticons and decide to let the Autobots handle things and the focus is on the Transformers themselves, their relationship with each other and the enemy...that to me is how a Transformers movie should be...and yes you would still have great looking-action but with the added bonus of a good story and character development. <p> At least that's what I think.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    *** I miss you more than Michael Bay missed the mark

    by evolution1085

    Damn not having editing abilities

  • June 13, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Yack, you're fucking BUMBLEBEE

    by Ricky Henderson

    Yeah you heard me, if you were a transformer, you'd be Bumblebee. You know, that yellow robot that was always sticking his hands up other robots' asses. Bumblebee, what a fag.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Moreover Yack...

    by Ricky Henderson

    If I want your worthless opinion on which Star Wars character I am in your fantasy nerd universe, I'll beat it out of you. No need to volunteer embarassing details like that.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Fartgod The Retard

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You don't read too well do you, buddy? I'm actually one of the few Talkbackers on this site who has been holding on hope that this will be a worthwhile film. I've actually tried to counter the hate with reasonable debate.<P>My problem lies with you and your dungeon-master. Savvy?

  • June 13, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    At first I thought "wow"

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    already 370 posts. But 350 are from "second cousin of phartegod"??? WTF????

  • June 13, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    I've got something to say.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Fellow geeks. For the love of all that is decent and holy STOP speaking and writing like YODA!!! It's completely fucking lame. You sound like a fucking nine year old douchebag and it's obnoxious and sad. PLEASE give Yoda-ese a REST!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    The TINO Defense Force

    by photoboy

    Are in full force today, I wonder how many are paid for by Bay? Considering how they've changed just about everything but the names, there's no way I'll see this. Even if the script was a bit crap I'd have seen it, but to change all the iconic designs (and don't bother giving me that bullshit excuse about them looking blocky) and then change the origins and the reason they came to Earth? It's all just TINO. I'm glad I've put all my friends off seeing it, although after reminding them of The Island it wasn't that hard.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    And it's good...why?

    by BL Chick

    I'll admit that I have a slight prejudice against Michael Bay. The man made a remake of a movie that was riffed on MST3K. And then denied it was a remake. But your positive review seems more of a negative and doubles the worries I had for this movie. This movie will be nothing but mindless action and special effects. It will lack the soul and heart that Transformers had. Don't worry, Plant Boy. I'll still go and see it. You can tell your friends at the studio that. But my hopes and expectations will stay as low as they did when I heard Michael Bay was directing.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Lies and the lying liars who tell them.

    by BYOBkenobi

    Anyone who says they ate Rice Crispies while watching the original cartoon (implying they watched it in the morning) ARE FUCKING LIARS. This cartoon was on right after G.I Joe at like 4 or 5 pm. Fuck off, that is all.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    cant fucking wait..and its

    by huggerorange

    cant fucking wait..and its only about 2 1/2- 3 weeks away!!!!!!!!!i might buy the barricade transformer..he looks cool.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Yackbacker i take it you'll be sitting in your Optimus

    by bongo123

    jimjams watching the original cartoon movie with its cockrock soundtrack come opening night? and Vadakin you say that the cartoons and comics offered so much more scope for story.. well i call bullshit, the comics and cartoons had generic good vs evil storys that were as cliched as they come, and anyone seeing any deep meaningful story in them needs to get out and see the sunlight a bit more, it was after all a fucking 80's cartoon with all the epic'ness of storylines that come with 80's cartoons.. ie.. total fucking cheese. Michael Bay has made a great movie, hes completely redesigned the Transformers from Boxy stupid as fuck 80's shite into something cool... get over it.. oh wait you cant.. cause your all a bunch of fucking losers that amount to fuck all in the grand sceme of things

  • June 13, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    PwnedByStallone

    by Ricky Henderson

    Yack would stop talking like Yoda if he wasn't busy fellating himself to the picture of Han Solo on his cave wall.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Will Smith is the voice of Megatron?

    by kafka07

    I am gremlin-bot.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Can't anyone write reviews?

    by Schih Thayde

    Or at least edit them? This is unreadable trash.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    nicolas cage screaming bumblebee wouldve been perfect

    by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell

  • June 13, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Photoboy people like you belong in the fucking 80's

    by bongo123

    you never grow up, i bet you still wear fucking poison t-shirts and have a mullet...fucking iconic designs my arse... they look fucking stupid today even to kids, Bay made them look cool, they were cool when i was a kid, but now.. fuck i near pissed myself laughing watching the cartoon movie not that long ago.. Thank fuck people like you had absolutly no input on this movie... fucking TINO spouting wankers... what the fuck age are you lot?

  • June 13, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Simpsons movie will blow it away at the box office

    by Vadakin

    Obviously I'm not talking about US box office...but in Europe (UK/Ireland anyway) the Simpsons and Transformers are out the same week (what Paramount idiot had that idea?) and while the Simpson may not be as good as it once was, it's still insanely popular so while TINO may make money in the US, worldwide I think it could be crushed by Homer and co.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    whoa

    by lionbiu

    I am literally terrified by a majority of the comments here.....you guys are way to invested in this movie. It will not be the greatest movie ever made (hell it probably wont be the best movie of the summer) nor will it be the worst. The best you can hope for is a fun 2 hour toy commercial...I have no plans to see it (I like movies that actually have plots and I am getting sick of over-indulgent CGI which aint Pixar), but I am sure many will enjoy it and it will be forgoten in a week.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    I enjoy that his specifics section offers no specifics

    by INWOsuxRED

    and that the system for rating a movie is based on how many set peices it has. I also enjoy that the reviewer attributes the great ILM CGI to Michael Bay, as if he sat down at a computer and created all the models and rendered them.

  • June 13, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    tools

    by triggerman

    yup. i love it when people completely diss a movie before they see it. They talk about "story" they talk about "the past" they talk about "how there mothers used to spank them" but you know what americans who are yet to see the movie!?.... it rocked. it was a hard ass action movie. Its funny to me that the same people saying die hard went "soft" by going for PG are the same people saying Michael freakin Bay needed a "story" Dum. yup. ill do it again. ill put in the commas. "dumb"

  • June 13, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Bongo

    by Vadakin

    Yes it was cheesy...I never liked the cartoon growing up, but the basic elements needed to tell a good story were there. <p> The point I was making though is that whatever the origin of the source material, it's no excuse for a bad script. There may be good action, but again...no excuse for a bad script. <p> I don't give a fuck about the designs...yes they're messy and Meatron looks like a vagina with teeth, but as long as they look good on screen, I don't care if they look exactly like the cartoon designs or not. <p> My problem has always been with the script....which is quite frankly, abysmal. <p> The Phantom Menace had some great action, yet everyone complained about the dialogue and the characters and the plot etc...so what makes Transformers different? Why should Bay's film be pardoned for it's bad script just because it has great action when movies like Star Wars and others are attacked non-stop for the exact same reasons?

  • June 13, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    the script

    by triggerman

    aint as bad as everybody says. its exactly like the cartoon you loved in the 80's!? If he ignored that completely we would have you back on the talkback saying bay just hacked into your fav childhood wet dream and turned it into his own. What that?! oh? you think bay couldnt win with the haters? oh yes invisible friend... i think you may be right...

  • June 13, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    me sar like tha movie

    by triggerman

    Phantom menace... I love when the heart broken star wars fans bring up this movie....

  • June 13, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    I'm tired of talking about this movie. Michael Bay is dog shit. Hope the movie is good anyway. THE END.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    lost.rules

    by triggerman

    you wont be disapointed. nice post.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Vadakin.. you ever hear the expression..

    by bongo123

    "no point crying over spilt milk"? sure we would've loved the script to be brilliant but its made, its ready for release, yet still people harp on about it like a broken record. I have a load of the comics and yes some of the storys are pretty cool but they work only in the comic realm, none of them would work in the movie realm they're too fantastical, sure the script sucks (ive never read it as why in the holy fuck would you wanna ruin a movie like that for!?) but fuck me, sometimes these movies hit it out of the ballpark and get everything right (Batman returns) and some just hit a good run, but judging by the trailers and the reviews that are popping up this seems to have hit it pretty spot on and is exactly what im looking for in a movie like this, i'll reserve final judgement till ive seen the movie unlike the idiots in here who point blank refuse to see it based something as stupid as Michael Bay directed it or it bears no semblence to the G1 monstrosities of the 80's, that to me is just plain fucking anal

  • June 13, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    So us Aussies get Transformers 1st but Ratatouille

    by half vader

    on the 30TH of AUGUST? Not that I'm a howling G1 psycho, but WHERE'S THE JUSTICE in this world? Faark!

  • June 13, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Vadakin

    by tile_mcgillus

    WHOA! Stop trying to bring reason and cinema based debate into this spectacle. I have tried...it usually results in someone saying "you have forgot how to have FUN at the movies!". It is just not welcome here anymore. We have had 3 reviews of a film and not a single one is an actual review of this film. They can not discuss the film on any level other than "BOOM BOOM!".

  • June 13, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    vadakin

    by triggerman

    Has a point. As one of the few people who have seen the film, its story wasnt like casablanca. This should have made me feel rather sad inside. But you know what was funny? Nobody cared!? Ill put it out there that most people will like this film. and those that don't, are looking for something to challenge them.... You know, the broken flowers crowd!? This movie's plot is lost because on the first viewing you lose concentration when you're spending most of your time clapping freakin robots. The C.G was amazing. The affects to make you believe in this story was flawless. Cant wait for the talkback when people have actually SEEN the film!

  • June 13, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Well AICN aint exactly known for its mature, thought

    by bongo123

    provoking discussions on cinema now is it? i cant talk, i'm usually found yelling and screaming like some stupid fat american kid on opra... but at least its fun

  • June 13, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Throwing Pennies At You People...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Michael Bay doesn't make film. He makes flicks. The statistic, I believe, is that the median IQ in the US is roughly double digits. That means the middle is somewhere around 'mildly retarded'. That being said, I liked Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2. Armageddon pissed me off because they killed Die Hard. But, luckily Reservoir Dogs and Chasing Amy lived. You people do know that this movie is about giant robots from space that change into cars, right? This isn't a film about the heart-wrenching decision to give up an infant, and the troubled criminalistic bastard that the story then follows. It's literally about robots that turn into cars, and fucking giant scorpions. From space. I'm going to see it because I like giant robots, I like giant robots kicking the crap out of each other, and more than that: Bernie Mac. Sounds like a fun matinee flick. Keep kvetching though, guys and girl. Hollywood is REAALLY listening.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Geez...

    by tile_mcgillus

    It is like every post proves my point more and more..

  • June 13, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    tile_mcgillus

    by triggerman

    you have to be kidding. Once you're off your high horse you might actually see what the millions of "peasants" are paying their hard earned to see and enjoy.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    damn you michael bay

    by triggerman

    i want a cupcake and your not giving me one

  • June 13, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Piss of BSB, I'll insult Yack all I want

    by Ricky Henderson

    That fucker has had it coming to him for a long time now.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    how good are cupcakes!?

    by triggerman

    seriously!?

  • June 13, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Goddamn right I called him cupcake

    by Ricky Henderson

    I've had it with his sly, snide remarks about this film. For reasons that elude me, the prick clearly has some vested interest in the Transformers franchise. Who fucking cares? You're getting a flick about large robots stomping on things. What gives this bastard the right to attempt to pose a serious critque of something like that. And if Yack wasn't busy dressing up like Lady Godiva, he'd come back here to defend his worthless ideas.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    triggerman

    by tile_mcgillus

    LOL. WOW...I am an aristocratic asshole because I am not enthralled by fire and explosions. God forbid someone ask for quality in something... Jesus Christ. If the story is soooooooo unimportant why even have one, why not just have a series of explosions and random shit kung fu fighting. I think I just wrote the biggest hit in cinema history according to these reviewers that is all you need.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Yo, Tile_Mcgillus

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Okay, enough pretension. Jesus crabby Christ. If this were intended to be anything but mindless popcorn entertainment...a flick...then we could discuss cinematography, characterization, we could have the heady discussion you seem to think should be bandied about whenever any image is transferred to celluloid for public consumption. 'You don't know how to have FUN at the movies'? I've never accused anyone of not enjoying movies in the "right way" because there is no "right way" to watch films, flicks, cinema, or if you prefer, movies. It's just that most 'film afficianados' are humorless dicks who want stale ass reviews, apparently to point out how ridiculous genre cinema is. Not every review will be from a credible source...hell, because this is the interweb, it's shocking we have semi-literate reviews. I respect the fact that you are allowed an opinion, but my disagreement with your point of view comes from the approach you take to the whole situation; that you're trying to win an argument over something that really has no possibility of having a 'right' side. Just because I like Critters, I like Invaders from Mars, and Creepshow, and another guy won't watch pathetic 'wastes of time', or 'Boom Boom' cinema, I can't say that he's enjoying flicks in the wrong way. It's a matter of taste, and sorry to say, Tile, America's taste, like mine, is squarely in our ass compared to the wider world. As long as we have McCinema in America exported for viewing all over, guys like Michael Bay will have a job. I'm not saying you don't know how to have fun, it's just pointless for you to go and TRY to have fun doing something you are biased against, or have a valid dislike for. Or, as Homer Simpson says, 'Go read a book, Poindexter!' Just kidding. Keep enjoying film, in whatever way you choose, man.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    triggerman a question..

    by lionbiu

    could you please explain why this movie is good without mentioning robots, cgi and awesome? If you can than I will believe that this movie is as good as you say.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Yeah, well we'll see about that BSB

    by Ricky Henderson

    Because when Yack gets back from fucking a cat, the stump-violation is back on.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    BSB, I loves you

    by Yack Backer

    Ricky, I don't loves you no more!

  • June 13, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Gosh Yack, that saddens me...

    by Ricky Henderson

    ...especially considering the fact that your opinions are about as useful as a betamax recorder. Make no mistake, I will utterly destroy you on this very Talkback. And then in real life once I track down you IP address.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Cupcakes? Muffins?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yack<br>Ricky<P>What the hell is going on here?! I thought you two were on the same side of the battlefield on this one.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    let the BAYHEM ensue...

    by Romoehlio

    yeah, said it again. im going to trademark that word cause up till now nobody claimed it! might also do it with "FOX, three" concerning the babe and of course "WHERE´S RATCHET?" this is going to be INSANE!!!! 20 more days..can`t wait one last thing: this talkback is not as funny as the last ones...not even close

  • June 13, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    lionbiu...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Here's why it's good for most of the people who've made the good/bad judgement already: In the 80s, some of us were kids, impressionable consumers of plastic toys. Now, some of us are old, and we remember those wonderful heady days of carefree consumerism, and how we felt when we had these clever little toys that changed from one thing into another...and this movie offers escapism in that way, taking us back to a place that we were enthralled with. Yeah, it's basically JUST spectacle, but can you tell me why Cirque de Soleil is good without mentioning horrifying and faggy clowns, French music, or alien-style whimsy? Can you tell me why Opera is good without mentioning fat broads, fat dudes, ululating wailing in D major, divas, and tragic tales? I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know if it's good, but I do know what I'm getting myself into if I do happen to see this one. It's in the trailer, and moreover, it's on the poster. You don't need to speak English to enjoy what's going to happen once the lights go down. Big ass robots are tear-assing through a major city breaking stuff without regard for our social mores. Finally, lionbiu, it's not my job to convince you that this is a 'good' movie. Make up your own mind after seeing it. As to why you should go see it...if you don't know enough about this movie by now, (it's mentally and emotionally stunted spectacle, featuring big ass robots fighting each other) there's nothing in the world I can say/do to convince you that this movie is 'good'. I think big ass robots fighting each other is 'good'...some people like faggy, horrifying, clowns.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    MNG, I thought so too but Ricky sips the Kool Aid

    by Yack Backer

    And now he's an apologist boob. Ricky, what a sad sack indeed.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    MNG, I've had it with Yack's bullshit

    by Ricky Henderson

    Posing as some aristocratic movie snob when in reality he's probably the guy who cleans rats off of the subway tracks. And all this is over what? A movie about giant robots? No sir, this fucker has had it coming to him and Rickey's damn well going to deliver the goods. Rickey's gonna reveal this schmuck to the world as the kneecap fucking meercat herder that he is.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    if anyone has 10 hours to read this talkback

    by Maclovin

    you'll notice that everyone who's seen the film says its fuckin awesome , all the people who haven't say it's not...

  • June 13, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin

    by tile_mcgillus

    I really don't feel I am high-horsing by asking for a reviewer to discuss the story and other parts of the movie other then the action. WE ALL KNOW THE CGI WILL BE PHENOMENAL! That and the action have never ever been in doubt. I think we knew those two things would be spot on. What I am asking for is a simple elaboration that is not dismissive of the plot, acting, characters etc. These things are usually included in reviews of all types of films. I can enjoy a good ride movie as much as the next guy but don't try and tell me those things are not important in a movie. <p> I never said you can't enjoy movies for your own reasons. Just that you (the people really excited about this movie) can't dismiss my concerns as me not being able to have fun at the movies or taking cinema too seriously.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    TALKBACK CIVIL WAR!!!!! Choose your side!

    by Yack Backer

    You're either with Ricky or you're with me.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    I know i'll get attacked for this...

    by stoopidDclown

    But come on, guys. I'm not saying that a film like this has to be mindless, but it IS a movie based on a goofy cartoon show from the 80's that was only made to sell toys. I just watched the "movie" from 86 on dvd and I gotta tell you...I was looking for the story in that thing as well. The animtation was just sad, the voices were waaaayyy over the top and silly, and the writer and director said in the commentary that the whole thing was made just to introduce the new line of toys. I think you're all looking at this through some kind of rose tinted glasses. The original show barely had a plot. I'm sure it was complex and deep to an 11 year old, but come on...watch that thing again. At the end of the day, this is a movie about GIANT FUCK OFF ROBOTS! If you go in looking for some kind of deep story line and actually use the words "it ain't got a plot" then I think you need to sit down, have a drink, and really think about what it is your talking about. The show didn't have a plot or even much of point beyond selling toys...you guys are talking about it like it was a great work of art that has stood the test of time. reality check guys...it wasn't and it hasn't.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    RICKY HENDERSON HAS CHOSEN HD-DVD...HERE'S WHY...

    by Abin Sur

    From the post above, it looks like he needs to get rid of his old betamax recorder...you should upgrade to the Toshiba, sir!

  • June 13, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Pretty much sums up most transformers TB's Maclovin

    by bongo123

    It's why there such a blast espicially when ricky is going to go all hightech and trace yack and then stompfuck him or somit, anyways great stuff

  • June 13, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Did you just call me an apologist, Cupcake?

    by Ricky Henderson

    Ha. Far from it. I've been skeptical of this movie from the beginning, but I never WENT IN to the endeavor determined to hate it. You sir, are a different matter. Why not take a summer blockbuster at face value? Why burden it with expectations you have from when you were a wee cupcake, watching this silly show on TV? I'll tell you why: because you're a worthless fanboy. And of what? Transformers? Please. Save your breath for your inflatible optimus prime sex doll you silly freak.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    tile...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Thank you for the even handed response. And I get your point..there really is no THERE there with this review, you're right. My point was about pouring hatred out on something that is unabashedly mindless entertainment. You're 100% correct about this three-quarters-assed review. It's not the best, but then again, it's a screener review, which means the reviewer just got treated to an early peek, and it's hard to remain objective in the face of a 'sneak peek' much less if you're an amateur journalist. I trust that if this guy came away a confused wreck that could only say 'MAN! THAT KICKED ASS!' and comment on the CGI, the movie will strike the nerves that I go to movies for. Again, I ain't calling you an elitist, but you are kind of expecting a LOT from the people who write reviews hereabouts.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    $300

    by notharrysmyspacefriend

    I won't see this movie unless somebody pays me $300 on top of the ticket price. I won't see Pearl Harbor for less than $1K. So, I guess that's saying something.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    And what's with that...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Pic of Harry in 'Fat Stank Groan'? That's what we should be yelling about. Fuck. My eyes.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS + TINO = GIVE IT A FUCKING REST

    by bongo123

    with all these nerdy web fucking things that some cunt spouts and is soon adopted by all the other nerds in what be hilarious to a small few... really guys, its wearing fucking thin

  • June 13, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Rickey refers to himself however he damn well pleases

    by Ricky Henderson

    Clearly you're not a baseball fan BSB. And this Yackbacker individual strikes Rickey as more of a fan of ancient grecco wrestling. You heard me cupcake. I bet somewhere, naked men are grapping in your basement as you nod approvingly while wearing your Optimus Prime helmet to bark out orders.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin

    by tile_mcgillus

    I understand what you are saying completly. I even agree about the exhiliration of coming out of a non-stop action extraganza movie and how excited and exhausted you are. We are all fans of movies and enjoy them, otherwise we wouldn't be here. I was just hoping someone would actually defend the story and say it is good and interesting. When great action is sandwiched in with a great story it truly amps up the action 10 fold. Emotionally invested and all that. <p> But thank you as well. It is rare two people can actually debate here and see each others point-o-view.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin

    by lionbiu

    I am not trying to be sly I was merely asking a question. Every review posted here has been terrible, nothing on story or characters just 'BIG ROBOTS FIGHT''BIG EXPLOSIONS' Sorry..that may entertain some, but it does not entertain me....also I did not ask you anything I was reffering to triggerman but thanks for the 'insight'

  • June 13, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Get out here and account for yourself Cupcake

    by Ricky Henderson

    Don't hide behind your internet friends. Or have you snuck off to some Star Wars message board to discuss the pros/cons of being Jabba's sex slave? Explain to us why a movie about large robots deserves your ill informed scorn you misguided fuck. As you know, Rickey's eagerly awaiting the upcoming stump-violation.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Ricky = homophobe

    by Yack Backer

    Or a self-hating gay man, like J. Efgar Hoover. Which is it, you scoundrel??

  • June 13, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    When are we gonna have a REAL review of this fucking movie?

  • June 13, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Maybe I'm just a romantic then

    by Vadakin

    Maybe having a movie about giant robots that actually has a good story and goes into the characters of who the transformers are is just a pointless dream. <p> I think it can be summed up as follows...Micahel Bay, for better or worse, went the route of exploring WHAT the Transformers are...but, I and others in the talkback who have concerns wanted the film to explore WHO the Transformers are. Yes the action will be great and it will be a fun, no-brainer summer popcorn movie...but what bugs me is that it could have been so much more. <p> Oh and I have chosen DVD...because there's no point in upgrading yet.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    I'm seeing this movie opening night...

    by SkeletonParty

    ...if only to get that picture of Harry in chains eating the SOAP guy out of my mind.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Point, BetterPoint.

    by micturatingbenjamin

    From the commercial, I THINK the story is, Bernie Mac sells Shia LeBouf a car with a kickass Autobots decal on it. Car turns out to be a robot. Also, we found out that there were transforming robots a long ass time ago, but we kept it a secret, because A: The government thought it would be better for America to be kept in the dark about gigantic mechanical space organisms. or B: It's funny to not tell people stuff. Then, after the Decepti-Qaeda attacks our brave boys in the Gulf, all-American Optimus Prime gathers up the disparate, rag-tag group of robot rebels, the Autobots for a final showdown over the last VHS copy of Gleaming the Cube. Tommy Peralta RULES! WOOT! Much destruction results, then Shia LeBouf and that chick stand in a sunset looking over the devastation remarking that 'as long as there's freedom and spirit, humanity (Read: America) will survive'. That's from looking at this review, and the commercials, and the poster. Once I see the movie, I'll throw out a review.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Vadakin...

    by stoopidDclown

    Could have been so much more? really? You want deep character development on giant robots? I think I just went insane.....

  • June 13, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Rickey, a homophobe? Ha.

    by Ricky Henderson

    Yack everyone here knows that you are most likely to be caught masturbating to a fantasy of Joe McCarthy beating hippies with a shovel. I wouldn't be shocked if this was in your high scool yearbook. Fess up cupcake.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Yack and Ricky, you've given me an epiphany

    by finky089

    While I'm pretty sure this TB "fight" is as staged as a Shakespearean play, if I were a noob to AICN I'd find it most convincing. <p> Which is why I realized if this is what the whole TINO vs "I Love Bay's Transformer movie" fight sounds like, I've totally gotten a whole new perspective on it and realized that TINO just ain't worth wasting time on anymore- "good" or not. <p> I don't know if I'm having a moment of civility now that I've come back from a week-long vacation, or if I'm just temporarily crazy. <p> but it is sort of disturbing to see two TB chums like you guy "fight", fake as it may be. This kind of humourous vehemence should be reserved for the SW vs LOTR jihads.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    "the kneecap fucking meercat herder "

    by finky089

    Was a pretty funny line, though, guys.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    what the hell is happening?

    by just pillow talk

    Yack vs. Rickey???? You guys just fucking around here or what? <p>BSB, there's always room for cupcakes and muffins...

  • June 13, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    If I never see

    by micturatingbenjamin

    That faggy little single quotes when someone's trying to make a backhanded compliment, it will be too soon. I get it lionbiu, you're 'witty' and 'clever'. Here's a backhanded compliment for you...I like the fact that your limited intelligence doesn't stop you from trying to be a witty Wilde-esque dick. Keep living the dream, man. XOXOXOX MB

  • June 13, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Bongo123

    by Pogue__Mahone

    "Thats like getting pissed off cause a lion is eating you when you jumped into its cage wearin a steak necklace..." Thanks... I laughed out loud! I'm headin to Belfast August 1st to visit the old country! Where's the best place in town to grab a few decent pints? It's been FAR too long since I was home! (I was too young to drink last time!)

  • June 13, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO!

    by finky089

    I still don't really care about this movie anymore, but... <p> TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO!

  • June 13, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Dome is an idiot

    by DannyDreams

    He says in his review that "I have fond affection for the Transformers cartoon" but than says "but do not remember much about the series except the broad basics". Yeah Dome I have a fond affection ice cream even though all i know about it is that its cold. Then to further my argument on what an idiot Dome is he ends his review by saying " I immensely enjoy Michael Bay films". God this movie is gonna blow!

  • June 13, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Whatever, he admits he doesn't care about the

    by superninja

    source material. Good for him, and maybe this will sell with people who don't care about the characters or the story. Still say this think won't have legs, the script is horrible.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    pillow I'm pretty sure there's a "game" afoot here

    by finky089

    but I've been pretty much out of the loop for 7 days

  • June 13, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Yo fink...did you see a bright light?

    by just pillow talk

    Was there voices? And you are very right, the LOTR/Jackson Jihads are much more crazy...too bad ringwearer isn't a Transformers/Bay fan.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Yes I do

    by Vadakin

    This is what people tend to forget...they may be giant robots but their also people (giant mechanical people...but people none the less). They are sentient beings who experience anger and betrayal, joy and satisfaction...everything we experience, they experience. They just happen to have the ability to transform into cars and planes. <p> this is the core of everything I've been saying...people have been looking at the Transformers as nothing more than giant robots...well those robots are alive. They are mechanical life forms and should be developed just as much as human characters.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    AND?!

    by Pogue__Mahone

    I can't friggin' WAIT to see this movie! Opening night with my nine year old nephew... he LOVES the old school Transformers... but he's walking ito this for the same reason I will be. It's fun. Pure and simple. An enjoyable way to spend an hour and a half with friends and family and beat the summer heat. No opus here... just fun. Have any of you "haters" ever heard of the concept? Also Bongo123? VIP seats in theatres!?!? Tell me more! We get shite awful seats in a crappy theatre here in lovely Sarnia, Ontario, Canada....

  • June 13, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    or loopy for 7 days? :-)

    by just pillow talk

    Tis been well played then...though Rickey has a legit reason to be "unsettled" right now due to the fucking light hitting Mets.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    My how similar these early reviews are.

    by superninja

    Glowing and making sure to tell us that it's basically not that good but we should see it anyway because Bay blows us stuff real good and the effects are sweet. Well, those are two things we already know. I'd like to see someone chime in on the actual, you know, characters and story? Until then, I continue to believe these are plants or FOBM (Friends of Bay/Murphy).

  • June 13, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS: THE MUSICAL

    by micturatingbenjamin

    You've seen the movie, you've bought the toys...now....SING THE SONGS!!! That's right, it's all-singing, all-dancing...ALL ROLLERSKATES!! YEAH, BOYEEEE! First came Starlight Express...now...TRANSFORMERS: THE MUSICAL! Transexu---I mean, TRANSFORMERS...ROLL OUT! Witness the Amazing and Colossal set pieces, and the Tony Award(tm) winning Liza Minelli as Starscream, and Tony Award(tm) nominee Jack Klugman as Bumblebee. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll scream for more! It's Transformers: The Musical! ..............................It could be worse, is all I'm saying.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Yeah Finky nailed it... it was staged.

    by Ricky Henderson

    I probably made it a little too obvious... Yack held his own quite nicely though. I mostly just come to these TBs to see how absolutely insane people get over the topic of Transformers. And in the interest of full disclosure: for some insane reason I'm still holding out hope and will be seeing this movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    how true, pillow

    by finky089

    I think ringy and ganymede could have been soulmates. Disturbing to think of what their spawn might have been, though. <p> no more voices than there usually are. It's just I thin kour point has been made. The flick will speak for itself. Superninja up there has always pushed the valid points, and the people who can understand them WILL when the movie is released, but let's face it- most of the movie-going public won't because they won't really care enough about them. Or the source material. <p> The movie will probably have some "leggage" though. Despite that Potter 5 film coming out shortly afterward, there's enough Bay-minded dolts who piad to see Armageddon enough times that they'll be supporting this film too. Which is fine, I guess I just wanted a different Transformers film. Live and let live (or let it die at the box office, like it should.)

  • June 13, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    superninja

    by Vadakin

    I think they're just victims of the ADD generation, which is why crap like X-Men 3, 300 and Ghostrider make money (and yes I said 300). <p> They like shiny things and big explosions and tits on Megan Fox and pretty much ignore everything else.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    finky089

    by Yack Backer

    I guess we weren't convincing enough. Good detective work, laddy.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Unsettled Pillow? try "Suicide Prevention Hotline"

    by Ricky Henderson

    Things are not well in Mets world right now. Thank god I'm on the East Coast and have an excuse not to stay up and watch the game.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Vadakin...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Dude, you remind me of a buddy of mine. He loves the GI JOE comics. I mean, like, he goes into how bad ass Snake Eyes is and the whole history of the tattoo that he and Storm Shadow share...and how Spirit was actually a ninja too...and I asked him just how many of the Joes were ninjas..Then I listed that red broad, Quick Kick, Storm Shadow...and asked him what the fuck was up with Cobraaaa-lalalalalala! And to that, he replied...'You don't get it'...And I suppose I didn't then, and don't now...when I read you talking about how Autobots have feelings and pathos...I want you to know that I don't 'get that' either, but God bless you for being *that* into something. Holy shit, man. You probably won't see this flick, but from what I've read about Peter Cullen, he actually did throw down for the characters he voiced. That's a reason to see it right there. Peter Cullen IS Optimus Prime.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Ricky, you and Yack still provided good fight-reading

    by finky089

    which has, somewhat sadly, become one of the more entertaining reasons to even read a TINO post on AICN now. <p> But int he off-off-off chance that had been real, I'd have single-handedly blamed Micheal P.H. Bay and his new movie for your rift. And hoped that one day you two could have patched thigns up and broken bread (pastries?) together again.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    People don't forget...

    by stoopidDclown

    The problem is that people don't care. If they spent an hour and change developing the characters of the robots, people would bitch and moan about not enough action. The flick is 2 hours. that's 120 minutes to introduce all the characters, tell the story (whatever it is), have some kind of arc and resolve the story. all the while, trying to give all the information they can to the 95% of the audience that has never even heard of the transformers outside of the goofy looking toys fromm back in the day. I think you're looking for a novel, not a summer blockbuster that has to do 50 things at once to service all the members of audience. Bay was concerned with hitting the big set pieces, and making the giant fuck off robots look cool and making sure the actual "tranformation" looks right. If you think he cares...I mean REALLY cares about pleasing the 150 hardcore manchilds who worship the G1 series as some kind of...god it gets stuck in my throat...ack...some kind of...art....*hack*...then you are all just spitting in the wind. Not saying it's right or anything, but telling you to face reality. The G1 show was as deep as a puddle when it came to chracter development. why then would you expect more from the film?

  • June 13, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I hear ya Rickey...

    by just pillow talk

    I get to hear Mike yap about the Yanks right now, and how the two NY teams are going in opposite directions, blah- blah, fucking blah. <p>Fink, stooopider was another great one cut from the same cloth as ringy.<p>I will be curious to see how well this does. What it does have going for it is all the other blockbusters that have come before it have been disappointing. I would think Potter will destroy it, but we'll see.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Mr. Wizard passed away

    by bentmywookie

    and Transformers will rule and you haters will irrelevant in 3 weeks!

  • June 13, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Yack & Ricky

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Aha! I knew something was off. You're good you! You're very good.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Ricky, we did have some funny zingers there

    by Yack Backer

    BSB was convinced, and God bless him, he came to my side instantly. That is something I shall always remember. Thank you, brother.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Never watched Transformers actually

    by Vadakin

    I did some research a few years ago when I was writing a treatment for a movie (then Bays film was annuounced so I stopped) and I was bored by the cartoon for the most part. <p> But what struck me about it was that there was a lot of potential there for a great summer movie. <p> My argument has never been based on the show or "raping childhoods". My stnace has always been based strictly on the idea of the script...if it had been a generic robot movie with no mention of Optimus Prime or the Transformers, I'd still be here saying that the script sucks. <p> I'm not a Transformers fanboy...I just want to see a good movie and, at least for me, a good movie is about more than explosions and special effects, it's about the story, the characters. action scenes are just one part of what goes into making a good summer movie...but it seems that Bay has forgotten about everything else that needs to happen.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    MNG was fooled! And just pillow talk too!

    by Yack Backer

    That was fun-- you guys immediately jumped on it too.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Yeah what the hell was with that BSB? Siding with Yack?

    by Ricky Henderson

    Rickey's starting a flame war for real now. Cupcake.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Vadakin Re: 300

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Tits aside, that movie was an adaptation of an over-the-top comic book, and I love how over the top everything was. It was a predictible flick, sure, but it's like watching a commercial for Oreos that ends with the dad molesting his son...sometimes predictible is not only tolerable...it's good. And yeah, for every 300 I go see, I try to see something underground and indie or something serious. I saw Blood Diamond and even sat through and was mildly entertained by Syriana and that Polish flick with the weird ass kid getting abandoned. I don't have ADD. But I do have a strange taste in films. I liked Ghost Rider, too. But that has to do with me liking Nic Cage in just about everything, and yeah, I'm willing to ignore things like plot holes and inefficient storytelling when I like the subject matter. Not everything needs to be scrutinized or appreciated on all levels to be worthwhile with me. I'm comfortable with that, because that's who I am. Sometimes, I feel best when I just let my brain go into neutral, and watch a mindless flick like fireworks on the Fourth of July. Nobody ever criticizes the boozers who fire off massive exploding fireworks for being shallow or playing to the lowest common denominator....We only complain if there isn't a spectacle to be seen. In short Bay = Boozy, Transient Fireworks Tech.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    so we all agree Giant Transforming Robots are good?

    by gride9000

    I belive this review kind has stumped the haters alittle??? That douche bigalo who posted OPTIMUS FLAMES= blah blah. What a peice of work that guy/lady is. The haters loozen steem fellas!

  • June 13, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Finky's 100% right by the way

    by Ricky Henderson

    The whole thing really does point out the inherent sillyness of people continuing to post/argue on these transformers talkbacks. Literally, everything that could have been said on the subject HAS. BEEN. SAID. Fatigue begings to set in after year two of these talkbacks, doesn't it? Oh yeah, and the other thing I've learned from the fight is that I'm a self hating homophobe. Time to go re-evaluate things...

  • June 13, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    So it's a choice?

    by Vadakin

    Is that what you're saying? That you have to choose between style and substance? Between action and story or character development? <p> Because I don't believe that for a second. <p> You don't need to stop every 5 minutes for an exposition scene to develop the character and handle the story. If done well, it can be done throughout the movie in any kind of scene, be it pure dialogue or in an action scene. <p> You don't need an hour of dialogue and exposition to set up a story or a character. It can be done throughout without sacrificing the action.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Ricky Henderson

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Great work there between you and the other one. One thing...What do I say when someone accuses me of being a homophobe? "No way man! No way! If anything, I'm a homophile! I love him! I love my dead gay son!" Or do I just intone..."ESKEEMO." and walk away, serene in the knowledge that I haven't offended the polesmoking, butt-loving, anal sex enthusiasts. Because their parades? Yeah, they're proud, but they also ride floats that are GIGANTIC FIRE-ENGINE SIZED PENISES. You open yourself up to ridicule when you do that. Let's have a Hetero-Pride parade! Gigantic paper mache couples...doing what they do best.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    It's like wine, micturatingbenjamin

    by gride9000

    We know what we like to drink. Save the lame debates for fools living the life in Napa. I think Ghost Rider is shit, but I respect you for your unabashed taste. To each their own. It would be great if we could debate film and not opinion!

  • June 13, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    The Cartoon Didn't Have A Plot, Why Should The Movie?

    by DrTobiasFunke

    Seriously. Why the fuck are Bayhaters (tm) bitching about plots and scripts? The cartoons were nothing but toy advertisements which took commercial breaks for, guess what? More toy advertisements. I've always said that Bay directing this thing would be awesome and you fuckbots would bitch about flames, designs, etc. Who gives a crap? It's just another incarnation of a series that's already been through a dozen in the last 20 years. There's two things in this world that you just gotta the respect. The cock, and the B.A.Y.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I CAN'T WAIT! got the toys and I'm ready to freak out!

    by dead youngling

    i'll be wearing my prime shirt and maybe bring my TF pillowcase. this movie is my summer, and i'll love it no matter what. thanks for making this movie! good review, too. plant or not, when you wrote about barricade transforming, i went a bit nutso--a cheering theater!!! YEAH!

  • June 13, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    DrTobiasFunke, it was also about Texas Oil

    by gride9000

    THa whole think was in Texas, the energon cubes were usually made from American Oil Cashs around Texas. Autobots were doing what our troops are doing right now in Iraq. Nobody will discuss it on this TB! DrTobiasFunke, they were trying to make us "US oil Lyoalist toy consumers".

  • June 13, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Fight for Energon=Troops in Iraq

    by gride9000

    Do some reserch kids. Aliens taking our oil? Not on optimus's/Bush's watch....THat cartoons were giving us jingoistic mantalities before we knoew what jingoism or mantalaties were.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    In that case,why make movies at all?

    by Vadakin

    Seriously, if plot and development doesn't matter...then why not just take every movie script, cut all the dialogue and just have 2 hours of explosions and call it an experience? <p> Why not re-edit the Godfather movies and take out everything to do with developing Michaels character and just show an hour of people being killed? <p> Why not take Star Wars...pretty much cut Alec Guinness out of the film apart from when he fights Vader, and just show the action scenes and forget all about the circumstances surrounding them...then take Empire Strikes back, remove the "No I am your father line"..after all it's only plot...and cut to the end credits after Luke gets his hand cut off? <p> It may sound a little extreme, but this is the future of movies...how long will it be before producer decides he wants a movie that's nothing but action with no explanation about what's going on...not even learning the characters names...just explosion after explosion? <p> Movies are supposed to be stories...take out the story and what are you left with?

  • June 13, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    gride9000, Vadakin...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    The film debate actually should be reserved for those pieces of entertainment that openly strive to be more than just flicks, in my opinion. I think the line gets blurred when things like Paul Dini's treatment of the Batman cartoon seems to be respectful of the source material, and overall, well written. Something intended for children that also happens to be well crafted becomes the standard rather than the exception. It would be great if everyone who approached genre cinema shared the ideal of craftsmanship as well as spectacle. But sadly, most filmgoers don't know what to do when given that as an option, they won't get it...Here's an example: Dark City versus the Matrix...almost EXACTLY the same story. One does well, one does only modestly well. Because of my filmic tastes, I saw both, and when I saw the Matrix, I remarked to a friend that it was like Dark City. They didn't know what I was talking about. I also know it's a little immature to bring up a children's cartoon as a basis for comparison, but it points out that something intended to be mindless children's fare ended up being pretty darned great for what it was. So, I don't have an opinion yet on this particular flick because I haven't seen it. I do have an opinion on the behavior of 'Hating' or 'Fanboying' something before it's out. I am on the 'giving the flick a chance' side of the fence, but because of my wide and generic movie tastes. I think that's the debate I've been a part of. It's not a lame debate to me, or the people who respond to my blithering, I'd guess...that, or they're just bored.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    yeah, yeah Yack...

    by just pillow talk

    Hey, it was before lunch, I was hungry and couldn't think straight. Plus Rickey was talking about baked goods. So Yack, do you have an Optimus helmet?

  • June 13, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    I think this movie is going to be Micheal Bay's best

    by SkeletonParty

    I can't wait to go. <p>I sure wish I had friends.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    I''m just pissed off that I have to wait

    by Vadakin

    for three weeks after the US release to see it :P <p> And by then the Simpsons will be out...I think Homer is getting my money. <p> The thing is, I will go see Transformer...I love big explosions as much as the next guy...I just wanted more. I'll try to enjoy it for what it is, but knowing what it could have been...it's disappointing.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    How many shillings did you pocket from Bay?

    by mrdinky

    There's this huge argument about who is/isn't the shill on the FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER reviews, and here you have a classic shill-like review. Oh. and "I just finished the movie 19 minutes ago. here's the movie premiere"? WTF?

  • June 13, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Giant fucking Robots makes everything alright...

    by Magpye

    "Honey, I just had mad sex with my secretary...but look what I have for you, Giant Fucking Robots. There, see, everythings alright now..."

  • June 13, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Doc_Strange

    by j-bot

    I like Michael Baby movies!!! Not so much Pearl Harbor, but everthing else.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Harry makes more money not being fake

    by gride9000

    god dam people. They only have to be exposed putting up a "payola review" If these reviews weren't honest, someone would have been exposed. Harry' and the rest's names ruined. They just like lame movies sometime. I liked Harry's review of "The Fountain". No one thought that was payola because there was no money behind that film.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    bongo123

    by photoboy

    What age are we? More mature than you it seems with your use of the word "fuck" every other word. Is it some sort of internet based tourette syndrome you suffer from? And why do you assume it's '80s nostalgia? It's got nothing to do with that. You can't even tell from the new designs what the robots transform into. Just because the designs are from the '80s doesn't mean they're automatically outdated. Or are you the shallow type that hates everything that's older than a month? Bay hasn't updated the designs to make them work on film, he's just totally changed them. It's not the same thing. There are plenty of TF designs out there that marry realism with the classic look without resorting to the piles of twisted scrap metal look that Bay has gone for.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Saw a line of Optimus Helmets at the store

    by finky089

    right next tot he Mr. PotatoHead Optimuses (Optimi?). It all just made me laugh. Then again, if they had made this helmet 20 years ago, I would probably have been begging for one. <p> Since, as Ricky reiterated, everything about TINO HAS BEEN SAID, is it too early to start stirring the pot heavily on Iron Man? I think it's high time the Hulk-lovers start coming out of the woodwork to defend the "sequel nobody except Avi Arad asked for". Perhaps there's enough latent vehemence out there to build 1000-post TBs over Pullman's Dark Materials books vs. movies? <p> All of which are properties I could easily sit back and enjoy without feeling too partisan.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    FUCK OLD SHIT

    by gride9000

    AND FUCK THOSE SHITASSES WHO HATE XRATED TALKBACKS IN THE MOUTH. ALSO......COCKSUCKER!

  • June 13, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    "triggerman"

    by foree forehead

    it's funny that you put the word dumb inside commas because they're actually called quotes. some "irony" eh? eh??

  • June 13, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    eh?

    by foree forehead

    eh??

  • June 13, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Dark City/micturatingbenjamin

    by gride9000

    Dark City Didn't have kung-fu, go-time, black people, S&M, 90's breaks soundtrack or Bill S. Preston Esquire. The Matrix didn't have good acting, the color red, Riff-Raff from Rocky Horror, or a morphing cities. So in my book theys bes equals. Alex Proyes redemed his racism by casting the fresh prince in his next film. micturatingbenjamin, I was paying you a compliment before.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    well finky...

    by just pillow talk

    I'm surprised TF has stirred up as much passion as it has. I'm much more concerned with DH4 and the pussy rating its getting. I'll be so sad if they further tarnish Die Hard with a movie that will fail to even come close to approaching the first one.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    LOL YOU GUYS KILL ME !

    by Kyzer The Medic

    I love when people say "I know I can make a better movie than Mike Bay....ummm yeah ok... no you can't.... Hell in that case, I know I can play guitar better than Eric Clapton, I can write better books than Stephen King, I can fly a plane better than an airline pilot... Its real east for people to sit and mother fuck someone for doing something you will NEVER get the oppertunity to do... I for one think the movie will be awesome ... and for the dick cheese that said he could do it better.. go get the video camera out, post your best turd of an attempt at anything resembling...well anything and prove me wrong.. and while you are sitting there in line opening night holding your precious little Optimus action figure and rubbing your pathetic little pecker in absolute geekgasm...think of some more ways to mother fuck something YOU will help become a mega blockbuster

  • June 13, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Everyone go to this movie...

    by robotdevil

    ... if it doesn't take off we may never get that GO-BOTS film.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    THIS YEAR'S LITTLE MISS "TURBO: A POWER RANGERS MOVIE!"

    by Err

    It's true.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I wish optimus could make me cum

    by gride9000

    Kyzer The Medic, I can fly the space shuttle better than anyone. I heard Michael Bay can do open heart surgery. And optimus is great at handjobs. Look a starbucks!

  • June 13, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Did anyone else notice...

    by Err

    That one of the positives was not "the plot/story?"

  • June 13, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Joygasm?

    by ludmir88

    now i want to see this movie!!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Womb2doom

    by skimn

    Maybe its Aussie slang or something, I don't know, but when you say you were smiling from ear to ear because of a "cube that may or may not be a bad influence", are you saying you were tripping when watching the movie? And folks, Bay may be the most ADD of directors (next to Tony Scott), but he can orchestrate entertaining mayhem, and isn't that all this movie needs? Its based on a friggin toy line for Christ sake.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    transformers dialog transcript:

    by ludmir88

    TRANSFORMERS - Ok, go - Come on - Trust me - Oh my god! - Bring it!! - Go, go, go!! - move!!!! - we will kill you - what is this? - the cube!!! - ahhh, run, ohhhh - i'll drive you shoot!!! - no!! let him go!!! - I'm Optimus Prime - Bumblebee!!!no!!! - ohhh ahhhh!!! - It's Jazz!!!!! - You want to fight?!! - ohh i love you!! - we won .. for now THE END

  • June 13, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    OH I FORGOT IT...

    by ludmir88

    Directed by Michael Bay.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Dammit Yack & Rickey

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I fell for it. Assholes. Preying on a gullible fool like me. Nice. <P> Murphy will never again get one cent from me. Even if the flick he's involved with looks brilliant. My loss, but I am a simple man of principle. RevSick's thoughts/opinions are pretty much exactly what I feel, except I will never see this film. Even on cable/tv. I'd rather spend time with the family or watch a film I've seen countless times. <P> I'll still read the TBs though.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed- PUNK'D!

    by Yack Backer

    Hahahaha! Pass the scotch over here.

  • June 13, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    "They are all badass, and don't backdown from shit."

    by RichieRich

    That one line gave me goosebumps. I cannot wait to see these guys on screen. And for all the haters, honestly, how can you put all your effort into putting in a shitty review based on the director alone and not even seeing the FUCKING movie?

  • June 13, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I'm seeing this 5 times to piss some of you off...

    by andrew coleman

    I have way more than enough money to see this movie more than five times and I will just for all you guys. Blind hate is stupid, if you see it and hate then go crazy but you haven't seen it yet so how can you hate this much? Some of you guys give movies a free pass like FF4 movies. A lot of people go "Just turn your brain off" or "It's for kids". So why does that movie get a free pass while his gets raped blindly? Transformers is the movie of the summer, or it's a least tied with Harry Potter 5 another movie I can't wait for. ALSO I agree Winstead needed to be in Grindhouse more she is beautiful!

  • June 13, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I was under the impression.....

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    that this film was based on Hamlet....with Shia in the role of Hammy...Megan Fox as the queen, and Megatron as the scheming uncle....hmmm..why did I think that????...Oh yeah, it's because anyone in their right mind would automatically confuse Transformers and Shakespeare...the similarities are endless. I have read some stupid shit on here...but if there really is ONE person alive who would think that this movie is supposed to be anything other than SFX eye-candy and a good time at the theatre...then I really do worry about this nation...

  • June 13, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin

    by lionbiu

    micturatingbenjamin its nice to see my so-called witty remarks don't bother you so much ;) Signed 'pretentious prick' xoxoxoxo

  • June 13, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I wasn't even enjoying Scotch whilst reading

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Sans Scotch Punking. *hangs head in shame*

  • June 13, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    if anyone has seen this movie

    by lionbiu

    PLEASE TELL US THE FUCKING STORY!!! I am not a hater or lover, I just want to know why this movie is 'teh greatest movie everrrr'

  • June 13, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Scotch? Pass it this way, please

    by finky089

    It's hard getting back to work after vacation... <p> Ricky and Yack, next time one of you needs to create a new screenname, pick a fight with the other in much the same way, then see how your fellow TBers react. I'd say try it out on DH 4.0, but that might be TOO SOON. (funny to write those two words in a non-sarcastic way...)

  • June 13, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    there is a saying: if you

    by ominus

    there is a saying: if you cant avoid a rape,then sit and enjoy it. i am glad that the movie has received a lot of positives from many people who have seen the premiere.i am sure that despite its flaws will one hell of experience. and i pity the losers who just read a script and hate everything else because of it.poor creatures... BRING IT

  • June 13, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Wewt. Flame War: ON.

    by micturatingbenjamin

    lionbiu...I still love you. Please. Let us not fight. I just don't like little singular quote marks as a literary device being used in the place of actual wit. I did, however just watch a strange anime homage to 'You Can't Do That On Television' that makes me appreciate where you're coming from, somehow. I got the last word, by the way...because if you respond to this, I'm calling it right now, you weasely little toad, any response other than us having make-up sex means you still have nocturnal erections about that 'special episode of Blossom'. Oh yes, my little friend, I know what you dream of. Pervert. I still do love you more than words...is all I ever needed you to know...then you wouldn't have to say, that you love me...because...I...already...know...Li-di-die-die-die...more than wooooooords.....No really, you're a prick. I win. xoxoxox MBM

  • June 13, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Robots in disguise!

    by BillyPilgrim

    NO FUCKING WAY!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin

    by lionbiu

    I cant take you seriously with 'FLAME ON' as your subject...but I do sense a bit or homoerotocism and my curiosity may get the best of me, so lets call it a day. Now I am off to put quotation marks on all my papers and see if anyone reading it can mistake me as a intelligent person.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Action + CGI = Deep Fried + Cheese

    by veritasses

    You take any edible organic substance, deep fry it and top it off with cheese and you'll have a dish that most people will think is fantastic. That basically sums up Bay's movies. Like a McNugget, they're enjoyable at some primitive level but if you really stopped to analyze it, you'd realize that it's really just prettied up junk food. The most telling comment this reviewer made? "I had NO IDEA what the hay was going on here. Ever. The whole movie." Sheesh. There's a definite market for junk food and I can enjoy a mindless action flick as much as the next guy but what people pass off as "an instant classic" these days is pretty sad.

  • June 13, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Some of you are fucking out of control...

    by Mr. Profit

    <p>Seriously, it's a live action movie based on a fucking Saturday Morning cartoon and toy line. It's not that serious people.</P> <P>The simple fact that it's produced by Steven Spielberg and he hired Michael Bay to direct should have Transformers "Stans" happy that at least it's not being directed by an asshole like Paul WS Anderson.</P><P>Some of you guys need to chill the fuck out for real. You know you are STILL going to see the movie. Everyone is entitled to mindless fun on occassion and this movie looks like it will fill the void this Summer.</P><P>Complaining about Transformers not being done right is like the idiots who got pissed about Freddy vs Jason and Alien vs Predator. Sure both movies sucked and wasted their potential, but at the same time you couldn't fucking expect so much from a movie with "Vs" in the title.</P><P>The big three of the Summer were released and are dropping off quickly, I bet Transformers will be this Summer's sleeper hit.</P>

  • June 13, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    AN example of an instant classic is...

    by tehgreekhammer

    Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, the Usual Suspects, Se7en, and so on. <p> Please dont tell me anyone is putting a michael bay movie in the same hemisphere as any of those films.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    And Winstead is hot...

    by Mr. Profit

    I didn't notice her hot factor in Final Destination 3. But then in the Black Christmas remake (which was only good because almost every girl in the cast was hot) I realized she was a beautiful young woman who wasn't a fucking stick figure. She should be up for consideration for Wonder Woman since she is tall enough and has a great body.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    You can't compare Transformers to The Usual Suspects...

    by Mr. Profit

    Apples and Oranges.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Brilliant! Absolutely Brilliant!

    by Pawprint

    The 'haters' are going to explode with impotent rage soon! Boo-Hoo, people actually seem to LIKE Bay's Transformers! whatever are you going to do now! Please continue spewing your hate-filled bile and try and convince the rest of us normal human beings that we should hate this film that you haven't seen yet - it's TREMENDOUS amusement! Wriggle and squeal for me, you sorry hate-filled excuses for human-beings! Loving it!

  • June 13, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Oh Please, Richard...

    by Pawprint

    At least allow me some small pleasures in life... watching TF haters foam at the mouth charts right up there with a good ring dhobi!

  • June 13, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Awwwwwwwww Richard...

    by Pawprint

    But FF4 haters aren't as venomous, irrational and childish as TF haters! Can I stick around for a little bit if I promise to try REALLY HARD to be good?

  • June 13, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Richard, it seems we have a deal, my friend!

    by Pawprint

    And I've already eaten all my greens! Seriously though, I am glad it seems that Bay has delivered - I must confess to being excited for this film from the first teaser - brilliant stuff.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    whether or not he's seen it

    by BurgerKing

    this is still the worst fucking review ever written. Who is this guy?

  • June 13, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    The designs never really bothered me..

    by Pawprint

    Yes, they look somewhat 'busy', particularly in stills, but at the same time they have a level of realism that wouldn't have been possible had they used the G1 blueprint. At least Bay's TF's look like they actually are made up of the component parts of whatever it is they TF into.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Pity poor phartegod...

    by Pawprint

    He has nothing left to troll for...

  • June 13, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    how can you all be so upset

    by urotsukidoji

    about a the ghey-est cartoon in history. Plus, it was a cartoon, are you still 4 years old?

  • June 13, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Richard, I'm not actually a TF fan!

    by Pawprint

    Believe it or not, I never watched it at all. I remember the odd episode being on in the background, but I was 13 when it hit the UK and saw through it for what it was. I mean, the equivalent for girls was 'My Little Pony' and 'Care Bears'.. any haters out there care to rant on about the mythology and ground-breaking story lines in this case? Boys had tranforming cars with lasers, girls had cuddly bears and horses - that was how it worked. I was initially just 'interested' by a live-action TF film, but after the teaser trailer my interest grew. When the first proper trailer hit - I was sold.

  • June 13, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    I wasn't on here in those glory days...

    by Pawprint

    But I have subsequently reviewed the TB's - wish I could have been there! That said, it think the SW PT is irredeemable, commercial, cynical, badly-acted and directed shite of the highest order. They were only made to push and showcase new technology on prospective buyers. Disappointing. I think 'rape' is a strong word to use in context of a film. Apart from 'Irreversible' of course!

  • June 13, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    BAYFORMERS = SHITTY FILM IN DISGUISE!!!

    by Err

    damn you michael bay-dess

  • June 13, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = FLAMES ON OPTIMUS

    by Err

    It's the commutative property in math.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = NICOLAS CAGE AS SUPERMAN

    by Err

    it's true.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY

    by Err

    bwahahaha

  • June 13, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = TRANSFORMERS 2

    by Err

    When the sequel happens

  • June 13, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = LIPS ON OPTIMUS

    by Err

  • June 13, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = Who gives a shit?

    by Pawprint

    I mean, really? it's not like Optimus didn't go through a few changes in the comics, etc. Won't be spoiling my enjoyment of Mr Bay's latest summer spectacle. Yes; I said MR Bay!

  • June 13, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = THIRD COUSIN OF PHARTEGOD

    by Err

    haha

  • June 13, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = OPTIMUS TURNS INTO A GIANT GUN

    by Err

    lame!

  • June 13, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Another review with no mention of the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS.

    by PUSSY ON OPTIMUS

    Fucking pathetic. I would think that it would garner at least some mention, since it's clearly ILM's best work to date (each frame rendered for 36 weeks), being both less blocky and more realistic, while at the same time *not* being designed purely to sell toys, and being awesome watch without any semblance of taste and a tub of popcorn.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    SPAMMING A TALKBACK = Desparation

    by Pawprint

    Spamming this TB will change nothing; Bay's TF's is out there, and apparently it's pretty good. Please learn to deal with it.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    second cousin of phartegod

    by Stuntcock Mike

    more sir, more please.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Phartegod...

    by Pawprint

    Are you desperate enough to keep this up every time it looks like people are going to praise this film and discuss it's merits? You'll be awake for a loooooooooong fucking time...

  • June 13, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    DIE HARD IS OFFICIALLY PG-13

    by lionbiu

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS!!! NOOOOOO!!

  • June 13, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    THE FUCK? DIE HARD IS

    by ominus

    THE FUCK? DIE HARD IS PG1-13?OFFICIALY???????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • June 13, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Phartegod...

    by Pawprint

    Oh, sorry - I see! Ah... crack on then. Have fun with it.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Another trip into the bizarre relm of Transformer TB's

    by Phategod2

    I just got threw reading this TB I had your Back to Yack but Ricky H had me cracking up If you ever retire I'll start referring to myself in the 3rd person. Also MNG the reason FartGod a.k.a AINTITSHOT keeps taking shots at you, a actual supporter of this movie, is because you have the second best screen name ;)and Murphy goes after what ever catches his eye. One more question for the other guy who saw the movie. I asked about the Characterization and you or the one who wrote the review said they were "badass" what I meant though was Does Ironhide act like Ironhide Is he cranky and call decepticons Deceptibums or something like that, is Jazz primes second in command, does he breakdance, Does Starscream challenge Megatron for control of the decepticons? those are the things I really want to see. One more do the decepticons speak english?

  • June 13, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Hey superninja How about your boy for Captain A

    by Phategod2

    I was looking at your secret lover Ekhard and think he would be a great Captain America, but I wonder about the World apeal of a character called Captain America The script will have to be extremely World politically correct or the most brilliant (save the world) piece of work ever done period.

  • June 13, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    I think this guy the Ghrey or Ghey

    by Phategod2

    guy who keeps getting banned. or the fake TFD...

  • June 13, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    LITTLE BITCHES

    by Fineus Fog

    I cant beleive most of you little bitches complaining about BAY. I have beeen following this for a while and it just is really grateing me. WHAT DO YOU GUYS ACTUALLY WANT?????? It giant fucking robots beating the shit out of each other - do you want a plot - fuck that!!! Who better to bring the carnage to the screen than the master of smash em up Michael Bay. If you want sensitivity or drama watch Babel

  • June 13, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Am i the only one who thinks...

    by loafmeat

    That this is an obvious PLANT? And that Harry is a fat perverted son of a bitch? Optimus voice changing helmet for webcam sex chats? You are one sick and demented fuck Harry. Seek help.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Second cousin of phartegod

    by wallywest74

    Hey, not to encourage your continuous postings, I did find "NO TOM BOMBADIL IN THEATRICAL CUT" and "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" pretty funny.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    by finky089

    not being here. Where is that guy?

  • June 13, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    "Deceptibums"

    by El Mamerro

    Wait, Ironhide (in a character moment designed to specifically show his crankiness) suggesting he's gonna eliminate a little dog because it peed on him is stupid, but him calling Decepticons "Deceptibums" totally works. I getcha.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    there is no method to the haters madness

    by crashbarbarian

    he's a plant because he said too school for cool... you my friend are an idiot, also, i have a true appreciation for films that make no excuse for what they are supposed to be and Bay has never delievered anything less than what he promises, big action. I've watched and rewatched the island and can't for the life of me figure out why i should succomb to the peer pressure and say that it's a bad movie... because, as with the rock and armageddeon, i like it a lot, and i will absolutely love transformers.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Just a bunch of big Man babies on here

    by milak83

    Complaining about a toy movie. lol

  • June 13, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by photoboy

    "You know you are STILL going to see the movie"<br><br> I know I'm not. I won't go anywhere near this film because of what Bay has done to the designs, the story and the characters.

  • June 13, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    ORIGINAL OPTIMUS=PETER CULLEN

    by Phategod2

    The only class in this movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS=HD DVD

    by polyh3dron

  • June 13, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    more style in a movie made in 2 minutes for free

    by Phategod2

    The man Genius. And by genius I mean douche.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    G1 OPTIMUS=BLU-RAY

    by polyh3dron

  • June 13, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    He's not ripping you off

    by Phategod2

    I don't know if you were around during the great "Flames on Optimus" post of 2006 but this is throwback to those.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    I SWEAR I'M NOT A PLANT...but this is my first talkback

    by XiMan

    I saw "TRANSFORMERS" last night (at the Trade Screening in Woodland Hills). This is NOT a plant. Everything this guy is saying is true. The scripts SUCKS ASS!...Hard! But you will ignore them because of the CG! It is sooo damn good. Halfway thru the movie I thought, well this must be the last EFX shot, b/c there's no way they could afford anymore--I WAS WRONG. The movie looks like it cost north of $500M -- not kidding! Oh, and the gremlin bot will become Michael Bay's JAR JAR BINX!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Who cares about how great the CGI is if the story

    by superninja

    sucks. I'm sorry, but CGI should be in addition to, not the main driver behind movies. Despite what they spend to create these setpieces, they are ultimately forgettable if you don't care about the characters.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    The SW prequels are barely watchable for that very

    by superninja

    reason. The characters are stupid, no matter how cool you wanted them to be, no matter how much they talked up the films and told us how awesome the CGI was. The only thing that was cool was that first shot or that first fight - the rest of it was forgettable crapola.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    The anticipation created by the Lucasfilm logo

    by superninja

    and the opening theme in Episode 1 was actually the best part of the whole movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    This "review" is FULL OF SHIT!

    by Violator90

    This is NOT a review it’s more like a fucking sell on a movie that EVERY one knows will piss off millions. First off, the second paragraph of this “review”: {Quick background; I have fond affection for the Transformers cartoon but do not remember much about the series except the broad basics (they transform). I immensely enjoy Michael Bay films as I understand that they’re not going to shine me the right way or make me appreciate the elderly on all three levels. They are just there to make my dick harder for longer.} Ok, we get it that like the Transformers cartoon BUT don’t remember much about them. Fine! Then why are you selling this movie like your life depends on it?! Is the studio threating your family or something?!?!?! Everyone one knows that this movie is going to butcher everything about the Transformers that made them so endearing to the world. Every one has seen what Bay has done to the Transformers themselves and what the storyline is. But the conclusion of this so called "review" just seals the fact that its nothing more that just another ho for Hollywood selling its shitty movies on us! {I don’t want to over-sell this and come off all leafy but this, for me is an instant classic of mega-proportions (I just over-sold it, didn’t I?)! I just won’t believe that any true Transformers fan could sit through this and not be anything but blown anyway. This IS a Transformers movie!} Didn’t you just mention in the beginning that you do not remember much about the series except the broad basics (they transform) and yet you say that you don’t believe any true Transformers fan could not watch this and not be blown away?!?!? Have you been living under a rock on Mars or something?!?!? People have been outraged at Bay and this movie almost from the start of the information given to us! REAL Transformers fan WILL be blown by the action and fx but that’s about it! This movie is not aimed at the millions and millions of fans that its predecessor and the ONE TRUE MOVIE(The Transformers Movie) has built over the years. This movie is made just for those Hollywood fuck-ups that have no idea of the property and don’t give a flying fuck about respecting it or its fans. And to have reviews like this trying to force what we ALL know is just plain bullshit is a slap in the face to every real Transformers fan that has been waiting for so long for some one to do them right, just to come along and rape it for money. Fuck! it sucks being a fan now a days.

  • June 13, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = HD-DVD

    by Johnno

    But you're still better off buying it on Blu-Ray...

  • June 13, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    IN A ATTEMPT TO BREAK THREW THE BS

    by Phategod2

    Superninja did you catch my comment about Aaron Eckhart being a good choice for Captain America.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    sooo much to say

    by crashbarbarian

    first, most of the whiners want, story to back up the style when in truth they would probably rather enjoy hard to understand story with a more abstract style such as the science of sleep or pi. secondly, second cousin is funny, and i like most of his posts dealing with flames on optimus, but really could we use something else worse to equate all the things that are bad?, and is a Christ like storyline bad, and exactly how, or were you just reffering to the overuse of it? and since it is such a perfect story, can't you understand why most stories of nobility or sacrifice would go back to such a premise? also.. how has bay, to date, failed to create a story in his movies?

  • June 13, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    you guys are less mature than my 6th grade students

    by dead youngling

    give it up--trade emails and send each other love back and forth all day long...or get married.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    What is this kid's problem? Can't someone take

    by superninja

    him back to the group home?

  • June 13, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    If it even smells like Armegeddon....

    by Keblar

    ...I'll pass. And it smells a LOT like Armageddon. Gee, that Pearl Harbor was quite the spectacle too wasn't it? Remember how that smelled? OOOOOO Look! Shiny Things! When are you people gonna quit throwing your $$ at TurdMeister Bay? I'll wait a week, buy a ticket to "Waitress" and then go laugh my ass off at how how bad this is thing is. I was as interested in a Transformers movie as anybody, but I knew they'd give us exactly what they have, and I'll be damned if I'll justify the Hollywood Summer Tripe Mill by putting my $$ anywhere near opening week. Anyone who sees this opening weekend should have their eyes clawed out so they can't continue to help poison the Big Screen.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Owen and Beru biting it gripped you hard.

    by superninja

    Especially as a kid. Well, not so much Uncle Owen, but Beru anyway!

  • June 13, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Phate, thanks for the support. I think Cap has to

    by superninja

    be played by someone who has the right mixture of sensitivity and also has the authoritative masculinity and Eckhart is a good fit. At least if they are doing Cap right and not a la the Ultimates.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    gabriel you got owned by second cousin

    by crashbarbarian

    he owned you

  • June 13, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Thanks, XiMan!

    by Womb2dooM

    Its kinda hard to make an argument based on "who cares if the action is so great" but that is EXACTLY how I feel. There is a story there. The entire movie runs on the back of it. I just didn't understand it because the story took place parallel to the ball-breaking action. I'm sorry if my review offended peoples delicate sensibilities but get a reality check. I'm not Roger Ebert, I'm just some guy who felt compelled to share the best cinematic experience I've had in years. I typed the thing in like 10 minutes in between raising invoices at work. Unfortunately, I can't compare this movie to anything to further give evidence of its HUGE entertainment value because there has never been an action movie like this. Why don't "the haters" just go back The Hulk as this seems like that may have been the movie you wanted all along.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    what was the real beef with ep1

    by crashbarbarian

    was it just jar jar and young anikan or was it something else, cause i loved liam and ewin

  • June 13, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    what was the real beef with ep1

    by crashbarbarian

    was it just jar jar and young anikan or was it something else, cause i loved liam and ewin

  • June 13, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    womb2doom

    by crashbarbarian

    i liked your post... you plant you... SARCASM

  • June 13, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Why don't you AICN guys FOR ONCE put in

    by superninja

    some software that auto deletes these jerkwads?

  • June 13, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY

    by Fineus Fog

    IS GAY AND WANKS ON HIS OWN FACE

  • June 13, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    The purpose of TF was never ball breaking action

    by superninja

    that made sure you forgot the story. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's never the goal of most films.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    behold... the great gabriel gray has called me

    by crashbarbarian

    talentless. Hmm i guess i should continue posting the same stupid post over and over agian to authorize my supreme talent.. ughh...!

  • June 13, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    superninja.. What was the purpose of TF...?

    by Womb2dooM

    Not challenging you, I'm just curious as to what kind of movie you were hoping for.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    womd2doom

    by crashbarbarian

    did you go into the movie already knowing the plot and storyline?

  • June 13, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    crashbarbarian...

    by Womb2dooM

    I did not. In fact, I avoided every piece of footage and story details to go in absolutely fresh and untainted. I do frequent these TBs so I expected mass backlash if I were to like it.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    As far as I'm concerned...

    by ReverendJontheBastard

    As long as we get big robots who transform and fuck each other up , I'm a happy guy.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    ahahahahaaa

    by PVIII

    I love people who bitch about a movie called "TRANSFORMERS" not having a good enough plot. It's about robots from outerspace which turn into firetrucks and racecars.

  • June 13, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    i just saw it too-SPOILER WARNING the ending is crazy

    by slappy jones

    it ends with optimus prime waiting for bumblebee and ironhide at a diner. Toto plays over the soundtrack....A robot in a members only jacket enters the diner and sits at the bar. he looks kind of like a robot we saw earlier in the film but turns out HE HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE TRANSFORMERS MOVIE AT ALL. Then a few more robots enter (one wears a cap, 2 are "-urban-bots and some roboscouts) and the camera cuts back to them repeatedly as if something is about to happen. it is really tense....the members only one at the bar gets up and goes into the toilet...then the door bell rings prime looks up and we smash cut to black...the credits roll....i was totally shocked as for michael bay it was a very very low key finale so obviouasly he has grown as a film maker...a very subtle and mature piece of work.oh there are 2 versions by the way...one ends with a shot of prime but apparently there is another cut whoihc finishes on a shot of bumblebee but I don't believe it.

  • June 13, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    No prob, Womb2doom...

    by XiMan

    but you gotta admit, what you are calling "story" is really only true in the sense of cause and effect, and only in the most RIDICULOUSLY FAR-FETCHED ways. I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but the whole idea with the glasses and the grandpa, and the young hot blonde "scientist" chick...it was pretty ridiculous. But the SCALE OF THIS MOVIE has NEVER been done before. I still don't know how he pulled off 80% of those shots...WOW!

  • June 13, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    ReverendJontheBastard...

    by Womb2dooM

    Prepare to be one very happy guy.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    XiMan... Agreed

    by Womb2dooM

    I could spend hours picking this movie to shreds but the end result was, I was fucking thrilled the whole movie and, from the sound of the hundreds or so people in cinema, so were they. But yeah, that's why they built Hover dam?!?!???

  • June 13, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    well as one who already has read the novel and the

    by crashbarbarian

    comic adaptation, i think the storyline is rather good, i mean, what else could they have come up with to fit in all the action... id like to read some of your scripts, maybe rev and ninja can submit some of their work.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    From what I heard Ultimate Captain America

    by Phategod2

    is a douche, He's like a muscle bound Goerge W. Bush I'd hate to see the world reaction to that movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Why was "plot" not listed as a positive?

    by Err

    Oh, that's right, it's a Bay film.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    knocked up is great.

    by Err

    9/10 film.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    was pirates 3 any good

    by crashbarbarian

    ?

  • June 13, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Bold test

    by Err

    <bold>BOLD

  • June 13, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Pirates 3 was not.

    by Err

    6.6/10 film.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Womb2doom... LMAO

    by XiMan

    Seriously LMAO! I don't know what they were thinking, but they deserve a LOT of credit for making guys like us walk out the theater and praise them anyway. I'm not lying when I say there were moments when I stopped breathing because of the action...INTENSE!

  • June 13, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Flames On Optimus = second cousin of phartegod

    by DarthCorns

    Just Saying

  • June 13, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    flames on optimus=who the fuck gives

    by huggerorange

    flames on optimus=who the fuck gives a shit....bunch of faggots you complainers need to quit being so queery . Get laid (by a female preferrably), maybe it'll de-gayify you. If you nitpick a damn movie on flame jobs,optimus lips(that in this case will probably be badass film) id hate to see what the rest of your usual day is like.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Flames on Optimus = Using "gay" as an insult

    by Err

    It's like trying to use race as an insult. It's equally as lame.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    XiMan stopped breathing = BARRICADE, right?!

    by Womb2dooM

    The very first time Barricade transforms on-screen I creamed myself hard! The Helicopter-bot (I don't know his name) getting pelted with missiles had me on the verge of happy-tears! Every time I think about a cheesy line of dialogue or a strange plot twist, I think of ANY scene featuring robots and I'm littered with happy-chills!

  • June 13, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = WHINERS WHINING ABOUT WHINERS

    by Phategod2

  • June 13, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    no its not the same thing

    by huggerorange

    no its not the same thing race is race and sexual preference is sexual preference...it shouldnt offend anyone, unless youre one of those uptight gays

  • June 13, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Flames on Optimus = Almost 1000 posts

    by milak83

    People really care :P

  • June 13, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Err... I think hugger implied "gay" as a

    by Womb2dooM

    comment on your character (assuming you are a man) rather then the choice of your bedfellows...

  • June 13, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Err, I was wrong...

    by Womb2dooM

    He was attacking your sexuality as a negative. Game on.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS= SUMMER "SUMMER POPCORN FLICKS"

    by Phategod2

    And the morons that enjoy them.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    well if im here when youre

    by huggerorange

    well if im here when youre here.it doesnt make you any better does it?..Keeping track of whos here and whos not here to make you feel better about yourself is alot sadder to me. Ive never even seen you before or know who the hell you are.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    W2D...

    by Err

    he was directing it to the whiners and his use of language such as "faggots," "queery," and "de-gayify" all suggest using sexual preference as a way to insult others. You are correct in that it is a comment on a person's character but it is a lame attempt by someone to try to insult someone else by using gay and all its connotations as an insult. It is both a comment on character and choice of bedfellows.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    W2Doom...

    by Err

    I was typing when you posted what you said earlier. So, you can disregard my post. lol

  • June 13, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    err

    by crashbarbarian

    don't act like you didn't use "gay" and "fag" as insults back in the day before you became an elite democom

  • June 13, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Womb2doom, something that didn't focus primarily

    by superninja

    on humans that dealt with the civil war of the robots and their individual personalities with the struggle against being stranded on Earth vs having to plunder its resources to get home. A movie where the Decepticons approached the humans and made agreements and then break every deal while the Autobots take the harder road of doing what is right against their own self-interests. Against that backdrop the human characters have to choose sides.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = LONG DATED CATCH CRIES

    by Womb2dooM

    ... and the sad wankers who have nothing else.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    it's kind of like using the term "baby killer"

    by crashbarbarian

    killing babies isn't natural either

  • June 13, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    superninja should write the screen play for trans 2

    by crashbarbarian

    imo

  • June 13, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    It was a comment on

    by huggerorange

    It was a comment on character, i have no beef with homosexuals, lesbians , etc. No its not a lame attempt, youre just a wee too uptight.. im probably chatting w/ a republican here... Lame is every other post here on transformers complaining about flames.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    womb I know my question got lost in all the BS

    by Phategod2

    that just took place. but Do the Transformers retain there individual characteristics besides prime? Does Ironhide use the term deceptibums or something like it? Does Jazz have a electric stylized voice and breakdance? Does Starscream challenge Megatron for control of the decepticons?

  • June 13, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Womb2doom. Be honest. Are the designs a mess?

    by superninja

    Besides that you like the technical achievement, do they look anything like characters?

  • June 13, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Optimus has chosen HD DVD ... here's why

    by Lamerz

    the flames and nipples and Kurt Russell show up much clearer

  • June 13, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    crash, thanks. I will explain away the first movie

    by superninja

    as a dream Megatron had in a sonic shower.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    phategod2 im dying for

    by crashbarbarian

    ironhide to use the phrase "lets bust some deceptichops"

  • June 13, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Calling people

    by Phategod2

    Faggots as a derogatory statement is lame regardless of you political affiliation don't go hiding behind Democrats on that one bub.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    crash and hugger

    by Err

    You're right, I did use it back in the day almost a decade ago. I'm not an elitist. I'm just sick of hearing people use gay as an insult. As far as me being a republican? HA! I'm a registered independent that leans somewhat towards the Democratic party. If I was a Republican, more than likely I'd be calling for a ban on gay marriage and saying that being gay isn't right and that you can change.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    He will consider ripping out his optics screaming

    by superninja

    "Nooooooo!" and then realize it was just a dream. And that he has optics. And a face. YAY!

  • June 13, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    i use the term gay and fag

    by crashbarbarian

    but not as deragatory terms, it's just a habbit i never dropped that i call my friends while playing xbox... kind of like black people calling their friends... well you know. if used as a slam.. it is just juvenile

  • June 13, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    superninja... Good answer

    by Womb2dooM

    But this ain't that movie. That movie would probably have been good but what you have is definitely streamlined toward the action which, for Transformers, I most certainly do not believe is a bad thing. The story is basically a race against the clock (decepticons) to get a cube thing off Earth.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    I m not hiding behind

    by huggerorange

    I m not hiding behind anything.. republicans are uptight conservative assholes, for the most part, and this is widely known. who said i was a democrat?, eventhough i tend to agree with dems more often-i think both parties are full of shit.

  • June 13, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    Hey supes! How you doin?

    by pjdon

    I'm sure I have asked you this before but do you think they could pull of the 'human' stlye robot faces from the cartoon in a live action film?<p>You know, actual mouths and expresions all done in CGI.

  • June 13, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    its the same way that i use

    by huggerorange

    its the same way that i use those terms...when anyone says gay or fag the meaning doesnt change. It may only sound nicer if you sound like a fag when you say it.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    and my question Womb

    by Phategod2

    not to be pushy or anything.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Womb2doom, yes, I know, and I remember hating

    by superninja

    that movie back it was called Masters of the Universe and starred Dolph Ludgren instead of Shia LeBeouf.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    pjdon, yes, of course they could. They just make

    by superninja

    them more angular and facetted. That's how they create CGI to begin with. They were able to make the Silver Surfer, weren't they? And a TF face would be much more crude than that. Plus they could cheat a lot by adding a ton of surface wear and different values of reflective surfaces.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Supes, if you give me an address I will send you a

    by pjdon

    check for the price of a cinema ticket to see TF.<p>I'd just hate after all this arguing for you not to see it on the big screen.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    I'm not seeing the film unless some of the talkbackers

    by superninja

    who have read the script and know it sucks come back and say that it should be seen anyway.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Look at this nice looking evildooer.

    by superninja

    http://www.bwtf.com/cbreviews/dw/3/megatron.gif <p> Why would I want something that looked like a chandelier stuffed up a chicken's butt when I could have this?

  • June 13, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    superninja I still aint sure it would

    by pjdon

    look good on film. They are robots and I think it would throw new-comers off.<p>That is the curse of making a TF movie, it will always need a stupidly large budget and therefore always need to appeal to a lot of people who are not TF fans. In fact it is so big budget it will always have to appeal to the type of people who don't usually even watch any kind of sci-fi.<p>If they could make a TF film for under 100 mill then Supes you might get your wish and get a more faithfull, robot foucused, serious film.<p>It is just unfortunate that giant robots fighting in cities costs money.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Phategod2, superninja

    by Womb2dooM

    Phat, yes, characters all have their moments (including break dancing) but they pretty much melt into the action for the majority of the time. Starscream is EASILY my favourite Decepticon but does not get a chance to have any one-on-ones with Megatron (you'll understand when you see it). There really isn't a lot of character development per se. Only Shia and Sexy Meagan get that time. This pace is BREAKNECK so you'll probably only notice after the movie. Superninja, I found all the designs believable and credible and actually enjoyed the bots equally in and out of transformation.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Any who believe G1 designs dont work go to

    by Phategod2

    Seibertron.com and look at work of a guy names Timmshin. his designs kick the ass of everything I've seen in this movie. And Dolph Lundren is this movie equivelent of Optimus Prime Shai labouf is Gwildor.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    robots actually break dance

    by huggerorange

    robots actually break dance in this movie?

  • June 13, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    huggerorange. One of them. Once. For the fans.

    by Womb2dooM

    There are moments like this scattered throughout the movie (not break dancing - cool little character moments on both sides of the good guy/bad guy fence) that really do open the flood gates for 80's cartoon euphoria.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Sounds good!

    by vezner2007

    I hope that the movie lives up to this review because I'm completely sold now. :)

  • June 13, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Supes - If you could just watch

    by pjdon

    an edited together montage of the action bits would you? I'm sure you must want to see the action even if you hate the rest of the film. And it will only have the full effect on the big screen.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    pjdon - the edited montage of the action bits

    by Womb2dooM

    is pretty much the movies run time take away maybe 20 minutes for sequences leading up to and away from huge action spectaculars!

  • June 13, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    How many scenes are Decepticons fight autobots

    by Phategod2

    as opposed to Decepticons fighting Humes*. (*a final fantasy term)

  • June 13, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Phategod2 - A lot. more then 6 that I can recall

    by Womb2dooM

    Plus you got other action scenes with bot vs humans and Chiwawa vs Optimus.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by huggerorange

    what is it with you and this script? One thing is reading a script and another thing is experiencing it visually. Alot of movie's scripts have read badly in the past..it doesnt render a movie into crap until youve seen it. Thats why its called a MOVIE. Now this break dancing talk doesnt sound very good to me but how could you tell until you see it...you couldnt.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Phategod all of their fan artwork is down.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 13, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    A script is the movie

    by Phategod2

    1st. Jazz loves earth urban culture this was expressed in the cartoon with a couple of scenes with him breakdancing I'm glad they got that in there, unless Womb is pulling a "RoyStalin", That script was horrid Womb has described this movie as one big action set peice now if you dont care how the Transformers are characterized then your in for a wild ride, Me and Supes are more concerned about The Transformers trademark characteristics the Blowing shit up and Megan Foxes Cleavage.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    The breakdancing lasts maybe a beat.

    by Womb2dooM

    And, while that was a bit weird to me, the fans in the audience LOVED it! The movie is chokkers with shit like that. It IS a Transformers movie. More then I could ever appreciate. The people here worried about lips and flames and black text on white page are the ones who will appreciate this the most if they can just get past their own baggage and let themselves enjoy the best cinematic treat of the past few years.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    hugger, why do you care if I see it?

    by superninja

    Is a terrible script (and it's not JUST bad) a plus generally speaking? Name me a terrible script that became a great movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    aliens

    by ominus

    aliens

  • June 13, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    heres one of sketch he did for Shockwave

    by Phategod2

    http://tinyurl.com/238wt8 not his best work but look at his sig. thats what Im talking about.

  • June 13, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    pjdon, no.

    by superninja

    CGI that's not well directed and is just about smashing things and blowing them up is boring to me. You can watch that anywhere. That is nothing new, especially not if you've ever seen a Michael Bay film or played a videogame. They even don't look like Transformers, so I'm kind of like big deal - where's the fun? <p> I will admit, I am a big stickler for characterization. And the script totally missed that for me which is the major turnoff here.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    superninja, read the review

    by Womb2dooM

    The CG is not only flawless, it's (for lack of a better word) invisibly. I rarely once stopped enjoying the ride to marvel at how "pretty good" the CG is. I got criticised earlier about giving Bay, not ILM CG credit. Obviously ILM is a HUGE talent but they have to work hand-in-hand with a talented (this will cost me) director. Speilberg (I AM NOT comparing the two as artists)worked brilliantly with them in the first Jurassic Park (I would classify that as invisible CG) and Bay has pulled off the same technical feat here. For a good example of bad CG director I give you Stephen Sommers.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    who gives a fuck if

    by ominus

    who gives a fuck if superninja wont see the film. any other spoilers about the movie pls?

  • June 13, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I do understand Supes

    by pjdon

    If Bay said he was doing Batman or Superman I would send him a bomb in the post.<p>I don't even think his action is that good in a sense of tension (which is the most important thing in an action scene).<p>But i've never seen giant robots fighting in a live action movie and so that is something that i need to see on the big screen.<p>Plus I always have a good laugh at Bay films, even if it laughing at all the Bay cliches. I might even take in a bottle of vodka and me and my mates can take a drink everytime he does a 'Bay'<p>American flag in slow motion - one shot.<p>Camera pans around main character as he stands up - worth 2 shots.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Again...

    by ReverendJontheBastard

    Who fucking cares about script with a movie based on big robots that transform into cars and semi trucks while battling other robots?! It's a current Hollywood movie. Which means you will never be happy with how they adapted it. Just be happy it got done and Peter Cullen is still going to be Prime. I don't give a shit about flames on Optimus. Can't people just enjoy a movie for the sake of escaping reality for a couple of hours? If you don't like it then start doing your own independent films and become the next ground breaking director who brings Hollyweird back to the golden age of film. I challenge any one of you to do just that. And please let me know when you do, for I will be one of the first people in line to see your movie.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    pjdon - THANKYOU!!!

    by Womb2dooM

    I swear to your God I almost forgot the Bay camera pan! Wait for it - OPTIMUS PRIME GETS A BAY CAMERA PAN!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Is there still...

    by GhostDad

    SPOILERS, DON"T READ THIS.. IF YOU DON'T WANT SPOILERS THIS IS FOR THE REVIEWER. Is there still an ipod transformer? Is megatron a plane? Is a MMORPG still prominently used?

  • June 13, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST

    GhostDad - FUCK BILL COSBY!

    by Womb2dooM

    Filth, flarn, filth. Having said that I'm not spoiling anything big so I will only answer the most important of your questions - no, I do not recall an iPod Transformer. Just a telephone transformer. Two, telephone transformers. Stupid Gremlin-bot!

  • June 13, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    OPTIMUS PRIME GETS A BAY CAMERA PAN!!!

    by pjdon

    Thankyou Womb2dooM, that will involve me downing an entire bottle of vodka running up infront of the audience, taking of my pants and screaming...<p>MICHEAL BAY YOU ARE A HACK WITH THE BRAIN OF A 15 YEAR OLD BOY BUT DAMN I LOVE YOU AND YOUR BIG COKE RIDDEN HEAD.<p>Then pass out and miss the rest of the film.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    If the TRANSFORMERS MOVIE (1987) theme song is not.....

    by wackybantha

    ....in this new flick, I WILL NOT SEE IT!!!!!!!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    LION RULES!!!!

    by wackybantha

    TRANSFORMERS!!!!!!!

  • June 13, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    is it at the end

    by Phategod2

    I read the Script and theres a scene at the end where Prime stands on MT. everest and turns on some beacon signaling other autobots to come to earth is that the Pan moment. and a little off topic PJdon Its funny when you mention Laugh at Bays movie he was on "On the Lot" last week and he told a film maker the audience was laughing at her instead of with her. talk about "a pot calling a kettle black."

  • June 13, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    You do that Pjdon

    by Phategod2

    and I'll buy your ticket

  • June 13, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    wackybantha

    by Womb2dooM

    While we waited for Bay to finish interviews, sign bot-breasts and come in to intro the movie, they played the Transformers (1987) theme song on repeat. He took 50 minutes, sir. The song goes for about 1 minute. He signed and he talked and he bot-groped and we sat for 50 minutes, listening to Transformers for 50 minutes, sir. I never want to hear that song again. Ever.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Womb2dooM do we see

    by pjdon

    a Transformer transform from robot to car while running with shia in hand and then kind of flip shia into the drivers seat whilst transforming. Or does a TF transform from car to robot while shia is inside?

  • June 13, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    PLANT!!!

    by darrenspool

    "too school for cool! I was induced to several joygasms..."

  • June 13, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    pjdon - no man in car transform action

    by Womb2dooM

    sorry. I was a little disappointed to but then the rest of the movie happened and I was cool with it

  • June 13, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    darrenspool - wanna root?

    by Womb2dooM

    ;)

  • June 13, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Phategod2 what is 'on the lot'?

    by pjdon

    If it is some kind of American Idol with film makers and Bay is involved then I don't know what to say.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    WOMB2DOOM... FESS UP

    by VWantsRevenge

    You haven't seen the movie. I read the majority of your comments throughout the TB section and you never say anything SPECIFIC. For example, you ask me to send you a ?, so here's one... Who does Bumblebee first get into a fight with?<br> <br> Hopefully all the action, as you give for the reason you couldn't follow the plot, doesn't get in the way of your answer. Dude, are you fucking five? How fucking stupid do you have to be to not be able to follow the plot of a summer movie IN ENGLISH? You seriously, seriously, going to try and make people believe that all the "ball busting" action somehow made you retarded? I mean, you could have lied better than that.<br> <br> You could have said that the plot is basic in that it's about the Decepticons trying to free Megatron from the humans, and then taking over the planet for the All Spark. But you didn't. You didn't even give the BASIC plot points.<br> <br> Other people on here may gloss over the fact that you say absolutely nothing specific, or anything descriptive, but not me. If you had seen the movie, you would have certainly had one or two scenes you would have discussed in more detail than you do.<br> <br>

  • June 13, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    RobertS1lence... I wrote it in text

    by Womb2dooM

    But something happened in the transfer from Harry to screen. In Mozilla, the commas and such are left out almost entirely whereas in Internet Explorer they are replaced with boxes.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    VWantsRevenge, have you really read everything...?

    by Womb2dooM

    I've stated several specific details (there were others at the screening that corroborate my details) above including answering all your smug questions [accusations]. I'm not going into huge spoiler territory because I don't want to ruin it for the genuine fans. Do the leg work yourself (it's ALL above) and until you've seen the movie with your own teary eyes, go fuck your father and give him his shitty grandchildren the only way you know how.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    VWantsRevenge - in reference to your

    by pjdon

    "Dude, are you fucking five? How fucking stupid do you have to be to not be able to follow the plot of a summer movie IN ENGLISH?"<p>Have you seen POTC 2 or 3? They manage to convolute the plot beyond belief. <p>It aint about it being complicated, it is about the director not clearly establishing the goals and motivations of the characters.<p>Why does everyone seem to get all paranoid when someone sees a film, I believe he has seen it and he answerd plenty of questions to prove that.

  • June 13, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Thats exactly what it is

    by Phategod2

    They Have a guest Director every week But get this the first night was Brett Ratner The Third or fourth week was good ole Mikey Bay. The Steadies are Gary Marshall and Princess Lea.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    regularfacetoht - I supose

    by pjdon

    I just have the kind of personality where I don't want people to miss out on something I think they will enjoy if they gave it a chance.<p>I work with a bunch of ignorant fucks who think that Wild Hogs is the best film they have ever seen (no exageration - one of them actually insists on this fact), every day I bring in good movies and recomend stuff that they will not get or enjoy. But I can't help it, it's human nature to want everyone to think the same way you do.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Do you work with a bunch of old

    by Phategod2

    people Wild Hogs really?

  • June 13, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Color me curious

    by WONKABAR

    We seem to be hearing more and more good things about this flick. I just might have to upgrade to officially interested and maybe even slightly excited.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Phategod2 - yes they are mostly

    by pjdon

    women, a couple of old ones, one guy but he only likes Scary Movie or Steven Segal films.<p>It hurts a little more every day.<p>And are you serious? Brett Ratner? Micheal Bay? What kind of advice do they give? Bend over and take it up the ass by the producers? Fuck!

  • June 13, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Timshinn Devientart page

    by Phategod2

    This is what the designes shoulfd have looked like http://tinyurl.com/ywcpft

  • June 13, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    RobertS1lence

    by pjdon

    she said that? I'll forgive her if there was someone she fancied in it.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner is the Catcher But

    by Phategod2

    Micheal Bay is the Pitcher. Trust me thats not a compliment to either.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    The Bat-moto revealed

    by The Artist FKA Vesuvio

    http://tinyurl.com/yo5vot ... oh God, you know I kinda never believed in your existence in the past, but please let this be a fake. Or at least, let that bat-sign be a prop. I beg you. And you Chris... you know I've always believed in you in the past, so please, please, don't fuck me. Not you.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    The Artist FKA Vesuvio

    by pjdon

    looks to sleek for Nolans vision. I do like it though, just not in the current Bat franchise please.<p>The old style bat logo kind of proves it is a fake.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Silence - Aint seen Woop around

    by pjdon

    I aint been on as much this week though, hard to find time while at work.<p>I don't think people should ever get banned on this site unless they are doing the whole multiple post thing too much

  • June 13, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Bay interview over on IGN

    by pjdon

    http://tinyurl.com/3d46h7<p>He says..."I had an amazing aircraft-carrier idea that was just too expensive, so maybe another movie… that'll get the fans talking!" <p>I would love to see that, a Transformer the size of an aircraft carrier.<p>He also goes on about design changes, noting that interesting.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    now that's surreal

    by mrdinky

    someone just compared michael ("mike") bay as a movie maker to eric clapton as a guitar player. I swear to freakin' god, I went to sleep and woke up in bizzaro world. michael bay isn't the eric clapton of the music world. he's the back street boys. he's a product of the jerry bruckheimer movie factory.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    BSB did you like my plug for XBOX 360 in the review?

    by Womb2dooM

    I did. I also liked the HD LCD and 30 games it got me. The only thing that the Transformers guys gave me was a terrific night out and $60,000 in Toys R Us coupons. Good times ahead...

  • June 13, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    regularfacetoht

    by pjdon

    it is not so much that I though Wild Hogs was the worst film ever, it's just that for example each week one lady tries to lend me the latest film she has got a pirate copy of. 1st week - Norbit, 2nd week - The Mr Bean Movie 2 3rd week - Wild Hogs etc.<p>She is a nice person and knows I like films so each week she comes in all excited and I have to try and be poilte and pretend that I will watch them.<p>It's hard enough being in a place where I cannot talk to anyone about the things I love but It relly rubs it in when they all start talking about the latest peice of crap.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Womb2dooM very envious man

    by pjdon

  • June 13, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    wow your a cheap date

    by Phategod2

    The "Transformers guyd" better bring his checkbook, and Don Murphy dressed up in a gimp outfit if he wants a glowing review from me.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    I had the same thing Happend to me PJdon

    by Phategod2

    just hang in there Cause one day I bought 30 gig MP3 player with video capabilities from her for only $75 dollars. Life is good.

  • June 13, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    regularfacetoht

    by superninja

    pigs like you to get in the sty with them? heheh

  • June 13, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    It is funny how they act like we have some kind

    by superninja

    of power over whether they see it or not. See it or don't see it. If you are into inflicting damage upon your soul, who am I to stop you?

  • June 13, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    pjdon, Bay needs an aircraft carrier in every film.

    by superninja

    Have you noticed that?

  • June 13, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Nah, I have will power, man.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 13, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    superninja he has AIDS

    by pjdon

    the doctor told him to take 2 aircraft hangers and 1 American flag every day and wash it wash it all down with a glass of sunset colored orange juice.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Angelina Jolie's accent in the A Might Heart

    by superninja

    trailer sounds terrible. I bet she gets an Oscar nom, though.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Dont forget 5 lines of (Powdery non legal substances)

    by Phategod2

    as needed.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    BSB, are you going to watch Hey Paula?

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 13, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    *timshinn73 - I like his modifications. Thanks for sharing Phategod2.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Transformers L.A. Premiere

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    SuperNinja, you live in the area, right? Got your mitts on some tickets yet?

  • June 13, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    After-Party

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    consists of STD ridden hookers and mountains of coke

  • June 13, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    No problem

    by Phategod2

  • June 13, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    If this movie Breaks records

    by Phategod2

    Count on Bay to be the Modern Day Caligula. Hollywood will still suck but if your a perv it will be more fun.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to see the film why would I go

    by superninja

    out of my way to get tickets? If I want to see the red carpet I'll check gossip sites the next day. <p> Shia with his hair slicked back in a suit, Meghan in a dress with stripper tattoos, Mike Bay looking dishelleved and drunk/coked, Murphy looking homeless, Taylor needing a stylist, Tyrese looking like a rap album cover with his beard, Duhamel dragging out Fergie who will be prettier? Voight, Turturro, Bernie Mac and Keith David hanging out, followed by bad movie. The end.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    That's some strikingly disturbing imagery you just pontificated. Yikes. But most likely true.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I know this. I was just giving you guff. But your summation of the shindig is probably spot on. Sad.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Robert, that's funny.

    by superninja

    Remember the restraining order?

  • June 13, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    RobertS1lence

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Your obsession with superninja - what's the deal? I know you don't have a girlfriend (evidenced via your previous post), but the bombardment of misogynistic rhetoric does not win the ladies over. What gives?

  • June 13, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by superninja

    He doesn't even know anything about me, don't let it bother you, it's kind of sad, really.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    You're right

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I just hate misogynists/bigots/racists. It is sad. Constantly advertising his/her ignorance and learning impairments whilst oblivious to the fact. A waste of amino acids to be certain.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Everyone...

    by pjdon

    Me and the girlfriend bought a goldfish 2 days ago...<p>...It was dead this morning...<p>Just thought I'd share that.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST

    He's not like that in real life, just where he can

    by superninja

    get away with it anonymously. Part and parcel of the 'net.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    "I cant wait to see Megatron turn into a huge f'n GUN!"

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Overheard tonight during watching Hostel II. Many consumer expectations will not be met in this movie. "Big red truck" was said a lot too.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Is this movie really hyped up more than Godzilla?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Cause that movie was hype up the ass, and it only made like $130 mil.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Sorry to hear about the fish. They have no souls, so they say, so it's okay. Isn't it? <P> How far along is your special lady friend? Regardless, I hope her health is well. My wife was hardcore and didn't complain once during the nine months. Not a peep during delivery and all natural i.e. no drugs. Tough broad. And no, we're not Scientologists. Or religious for that matter. Just saying. Hope you two are doing well.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure about the guys sweating me part

    by superninja

    since most people around here didn't know I was female and I really never talked about it until it kept being brought up. You just have some wierd hangup about me being female. Why? Not sure.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    RobertS1lence - bit unfair

    by pjdon

    I don't know about anyone else but where I'm from it's not too uncommen for girls to share my interests.<p>My girlfriend for one.<p>I like Superninja because she accepts and takes on other peoples opinions without treating it like an attack on her.<p>She has been the most vocal TF hater from day one but she is always willing for someone to prove her wrong if they can.<p>Stll love you S1lence.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I never get fish because they always die.

    by superninja

    So do hamsters and frogs.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    My argument is why people this this movie will be huge

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    ...when not even War of the Worlds or hyped-up-the-ass Godzilla can touch the likes of Spiderman or Pirates 3 (inflation included). Or, how people expect the same masses that piled in line for Spiderman 2 to actually excitedly get in line for a *Transformers* movie. It makes no logical sense, with the added issue of word spreading on the horrible design changes. Negative buzz galore, when it couldnt beat Spiderman to begin with.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I love you too, silence!

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 13, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Thats funny Gibson

    by Phategod2

    It amazes me how uninformed people can be in this age. But It would fun seeing all the people who didn't tune into the internet and see them go "Who the F is that" "megatron is a what" "whose the Chick with the big Yabbos, Dont remember that from the cartoon"

  • June 13, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure, this movie could make a lot of money.

    by superninja

    That doesn't make it good, of course, but it might deliver in being a check-your-brain flick where Spidey3 was sappy and overly long and POTC3 was overstuffed and anti-climatic.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed thanks...

    by pjdon

    ..but maybe your girlfriend is a mute because mine can't even get through an episode of LOST without pausing it 10 times to make groaning noises.<p>Superninja - forgot about the fact that I talked to you for ages and thought you woz a bloke.<p>Also Supes, don't you think it's a bit wierd that animals die around you? Just saying. Don't blame them man.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    The posters are close-ups of Prime/Megatron's faces....

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    ....in the exact angles where they look kind of like their G1 counterparts. So obviously, when casual fans walk by, they will think "big red truck" and "huge fucking gun"....why would they think "flaming blue truck" and "scrap aluminum foil"? That makes no sense! :P

  • June 13, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    My frogs died because my mom put them in

    by superninja

    the windowsill while I was at camp. Gotta own up to the hamsters and fish, though.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    RobertS1lence

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    superninja can defend herself just fine. I defend no one but myself. I was simply (clearly not simply enough) addressing your rampant misogyny and bigotry. There's no cure for fools.

  • June 13, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    GibsonUSA Returns

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I don't see this raking in the money they are anticipating. I just don't. People are suckers for SFX though....

  • June 14, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    I actually thought

    by pjdon

    the sappy element of Spiderman 3 was brilliant. Perfectly in line with the second one.<p>As for the length well it should have either been 10 - 15 mins shorter but cut out the whole Venom element to let everything else breath or...<p>Been 10 - 15 mins longer and just had more development in the Brock, Stacey and Flint parts.<p>It was going very well but it was like Rami realised he was running out of time 15 mins before the end and hit the fast-forwards button.<p>I actually only saw it about 2 weeks ago (even though I love Spiderman I like to let the hype in my mind die down before I watch a film) and after listening to you all slag it I think It was better than I thought it would be.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    The silence has misspoken

    by half vader

    Why the quotes around partner? Are you trying to insult her? I don't get it.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    I am pretty negative. Oh well.

    by superninja

    I'm looking forward to the next Harry Potter film, Ratatouille, Iron Man (even though I don't like RDJ for Tony), possibly Speed Racer, possibly Hellboy 2, possibly the next Narnia film.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    pjdon, I loved Bryce as Gwen and I liked Topher

    by superninja

    as Brock. I would have rather watched that movie.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    RobertS1lence agreed

    by pjdon

    she is negative about a lot of things.<p>But that is why these talkbacks work.<p>Within my group of friends there is a 50/50 split of optimists and pessimists when it comes to the arts and that is why we sit up all night ranting at each other.<p>I'm the opposite, I try and give everything a chance at first (like Harry).<p>Although when I heard Paul Anderson was directing a re-make of The Long Good Friday I felt like stabbing myself.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Season 1 of Twin Peaks?

    by superninja

    Liked it.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Can we talk about Transformers? The handholding

    by superninja

    with silence is boring.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    What is the deal with The 4400?

    by superninja

    Is this like the X-Men crossed with X-Files?

  • June 14, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    My auntie fed my mum's goldfish

    by pjdon

    a whole packet of ginger biscuits and killed them.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    "I live in the south"

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I would have never guessed. Rocking the Confederate flag no doubt. The last thing I am is PC, I'm just intolerant of, well, people like you. <P>superninja likes plenty of films, clearly you haven't visited those talkbacks or been on this site long enough. Revel in your ignorance.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    The thing about Spidey 3 is...

    by pjdon

    if you said to me that there was a movie coming out with Bryce Dalas Howard, Thomas Hayden Church and Topher Grace in it I would say..."fuck, i love them can't wait to see that."<p>So when they where announced as being in Spidey 3 I wet my pants.<p>But the thing that upset me was that each one of them was criminally underused. Maybe would have liked the film more if they where played by people I didn't care about as much.<p>Has anyone seen In Good Company or P.S. with Topher Grace?

  • June 14, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    S1lence, HeWho...

    by Womb2dooM

    S1lence, you're making me uncomfortable. I like you but maybe a bit less "S1lence" and a bit more silence... HeWho, this thing is going to rake it in big! Maybe not from your demographic (all six of you) but this movie does not let up the entire run time. Repeat viewings should be through the roof.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    I am not for political correctness myself however

    by superninja

    I don't think it's a blank check to be rude, either.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    RDJ is short. RDJ is not handsome. RDJ

    by superninja

    is good at playing down on his luck loser types, not drop-dead gorgeous playboys with a closet drinking problem. As for Brock, I'm aware it was not like the comic books, but I don't like Venom so it didn't bother me, they just distilled the character down to the anti-Peter and that worked in the movie.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    RobertS1lence I would have

    by pjdon

    prefered a comic style Brock, but... If you said to me, imagine a younger Brock who is the opposite of Parker then Topher fits the bill.<p>I did like the way he was called Eddie Brock Jr though meaning his pa could come and give us the Venom we all want

  • June 14, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    I saw In Good Company. Liked it.

    by superninja

    Grace has a likeable quality. Even as Brock he was probably too likeable, but I thought that made him kind of interesting because he's charming whereas Peter is a bit socially inept.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Alright, I'm done. Back to TF and such

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Watching Wallace and Gromit with the kid while typing here. After midnight and she's not tired yet. She's killing me. I wanted to pop in House of Sand and Fog with a glass of scotch and wind down. Guess I'll settle for scotch and talkback. <P> Just re-read Transformers/G.I. Joe by Reiber & Lee today. Damn if that wasn't fun. <P> Honestly, I've said all I can about TINO. I'm just tired of it and yet I gravitate back to these talkbacks. Lots of fervor on each side. It will be here and gone soon. HP5 looks "tiggity tight" as a friend of mine says.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Venom is a stunt character like Darth Maul

    by superninja

    or Doomsday. A non-character that only serves to beat the crap out of the hero.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Nite all

    by pjdon

    see u's next week

  • June 14, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Sorry just saw that post Silence...

    by pjdon

    I don't mind changes when they suit the medium of film. Comics and film are not the same so some things must be changed for sake of verisimilitude, i.e organic shooters.<p>Keeping the feel, style etc is more important than specifics. Sorry really have to go home.Nite

  • June 14, 2007, 12:34 a.m. CST

    I concede your point about Brock, if I cared anything

    by superninja

    about the character I would likely agree with you.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:34 a.m. CST

    You know what just occurred to me? Doesn't

    by superninja

    Tony's characterization in Civil War seem like Ozymandius in Watchmen?

  • June 14, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Yes, Dinobots are stunt characters.

    by superninja

    At least in the cartoons. Grimlock was smart in the comic books.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    GOOD ONE

    by VWantsRevenge

    Way to answer the question Womb2Douchebag. I knew you wouldn't.<br> <br> And to answer your question, did you read my post? Yes, I have read above. Point out one specific fucking thing you said. Just one.<br> <br> And TF isn't AT WORLD'S END, but I had no problem following the plot. Sure, it was convoluted, but it wasn't indecipherable.<br> <br> Funny how you use fanboy tactics at me like I'm so frothing at the mouth G1 dick who is screaming the movie blows. I haven't said anything like that. And I have no problem with people seeing movies before me. Who the fuck cares? But, if you weren't going into spoiler territory, why didn't you say that in your initial review like most people who post up reviews here? <br> <br> Point is, you can cram your lying fucking BS up your ass man. I'm not 10 and I don't believe your stupid ass saw the movie. Anybody who saw it, especially FIRST, weeks ahead of most people, would be more than happy to post several descriptions of scenes and talk about the story. You? Nope. You want everyone to somehow pull a review from you misspelled, high school gibberish.<br> <br>

  • June 14, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Don't forget salezium salami!

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 14, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Dinobots and Gestalts in TINO2?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    A while back someone mentioned the Power Rangers in regards to the gestalts i.e. they wouldn't work. I disagree however I know absolutely nothing about the Power Rangers. Well over a year ago, I thought/hoped Devestator would make a brief and/or surpise appearance in this flick.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST

    VWantsRevenge

    by Womb2dooM

    I did read your post and also took note of your aggressive, condescending tone, replying in a context I thought you'd relate to (I was also hungry and your were a twit). My point was I'm not going to waste my time repeating myself to a spoilt brat who obviously has not read everything I post. I realise that there is a lot to read but that is just a challenge to set up for yourself. Part of the reason I am partaking in this TB is because I did have SO much I wanted to discuss (which I have been doing quite civilly up until you plonked yourself in front of your keyboard) that I couldn't fit into my already stretched out "review" (I'll admit it was more excited ramblings). For the record, I don't care if you like or hate the movie, but your initial attitude sucked.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    What the hell was convoluted about PotC3?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    People throw that word, among many others, around and yet I don't believe they really know what it actually means. Either that, or they have, dare I say, some form of attention defict hyperactivity disorder. Like the reviewer above.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Everyone wanted to see Devistator.

    by superninja

    But do you want to see Devistator made out of Escapes?

  • June 14, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Womb2dooM

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    What about the storied sword arm that OP brandishes. Any truth to that?

  • June 14, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Dome22 = Plant.

    by enslaved_n_seamless

    Didn't Woom2Doom have pretty much the same "Encouraging Enthusiasm" about The Thin Red Line? HA!

  • June 14, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed...

    by Womb2dooM

    FYI: I (wrote the review incidentally) actually really enjoyed PotC3 and followed the plot swimmingly. I also enjoy reading books without pictures and movies without swords, guns, boobies or car chases. Just a little bit about me, that I want you to know.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Devastator

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Why would this not work? <P> http://tinyurl.com/2j85jt <P>

  • June 14, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Womb2dooM

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Did you like The Host? If not, what didn't you like about it?

  • June 14, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Because Bay doesn't want to buy construction

    by superninja

    vehicles.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Alright, well I am off to bed. Goodnight HeWho.

    by superninja

    Thanks for sticking up for me.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:08 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed - The Host

    by Womb2dooM

    I LOVED the Host. It was the first movie I felt compelled to share the love for (probably even more convoluted then my review for TF which I why Harry withheld it). South Korean cinema is so frickin exciting now and over the past 5 years. I loved everything from the creature designs to the crazy slap stick moments (mourning scene - crazy). I can't remember the main guys name but I've really liked his work in other flicks like Memoirs of Murder (also directed by Boon) and Antartic Journal. Do I past the test?

  • June 14, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Womb2dooM 01:02:47 AM

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Excellent. I've recently enjoyed Natsuo Kirino's two translated works (Out & Grotesque) and Christopher Priest is the shit. Care to share some authors you enjoy?<P> Sorry I missed your review of PotC3 (I guess I'll go dig for it on the site). I avoided everything about that flick for fear of spoilers. I enjoyed the hell out of it i.e. it made me very happy.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Superninja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Be well lovely lady. I don't "sweat you" (and who does that anyway?), I just enjoy your thoughts. Regardless of gender or if I agree with you. You're one of the few stalwarts here that bring me back to this site time after time. But I've said this before.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed 4:11pm

    by Womb2dooM

    I never actually reviewed PotC3. I've only ever submitted two reviews; The Host & Transformers. The author I've just discovered is Chuck Paliuhnuk (I ain't spell checking his name). I've of course read his Fight Club (I think that is a requisite for a guy my age) but I just finished Lullaby which was brilliant. Segue back to cinema - Have you seen Titus with Anthony Hopkins? My fav movie ever. Keeps blowing me away every time I watch it.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    South Korean cinema

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    No doubt. Tightness. And that mourning scene was, well, I'm at a loss for words. How about crazy? I loved it no matter how you look at it. In fact, I have no gripes about the movie what-so-ever. Great film. <P> Song Kang-ho is his name. Surly you've seen J.S.A. and Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance..... <P> I have Save the Green Planet sitting on my mantle begging me to watch it. Looking forward to it. Crazy. <P> Have you seen Forbidden Quest? Looks cheeky.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Song Kang-Ho

    by Womb2dooM

    Yeah, I've got JSA and all of Park's stab-em-ups! JSA was WAY more deep than I thought (it was the first Park movie I've seen and was expecting a military action flick as the cover was written in Korean). Very tense. Sympathy for Mr Vengence is sadly under-rated. It doesn't have the flash factor of Oldboy (another fav movie) but it is somehow gritty AND slick and helpful in letting me know how not to hide a body. I wouldn't have used pebbles while Forrest Gump watched me but I have a different upbringing. PotC3 made me smile also. Transformer made me wet. ... Um, happy tears.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Titus=sumptuous

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    It keeps blowing you away because it's righteous. Definately in my top twenty/fifteen. Don't really do lists, but you get the gist of it. Great film. <P> Chuck is fun. I do enjoy Bret Easton Ellis for some reason. Despite my dislike of misogynists/bigots/racists. He can write some damn ugly stuff, but I read it anyway. I must confess I am a huge Vachss, Barker, Herbert and Heinlein fan. And obviously Lovecraft.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    There can be no Dinobots in Transformers 2.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    GM does not produce Dinos.<BR><BR> Whether the Constructions are viable depends on whether Caterpillar is interested.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Simple honest question

    by half vader

    Which one is Barricade again?

  • June 14, 2007, 1:34 a.m. CST

    I haven't seen Forbidden Quest

    by Womb2dooM

    it looks funeth! I REALLY enjoyed The King and the Clown but the crappy China Town copy suddenly skipped 30 minutes and gave away the tragic ending for me. Crap.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:36 a.m. CST

    I prefer Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance over the other two

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Actually, and I am not slighting it, Oldboy is third for me in the Vengeance Trilogy. But that's just me. J.S.A. is my favorite Park movie to date. I too wasn't expecting it to be so tense. A pleasant surprise. <P> Oh, and I just saw Linda, Linda, Linda. Point is, seeing Bae Du-na in it, I couldn't help but think of her in SfMV everytime she came on screen.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Bret Easton Ellis -

    by Womb2dooM

    Funny how I can read anything Chuck throws down the gauntlet at me (e.g. colons sucked out of body) but there was something about Patrick Bateman eating handfuls of sand that fucked up my day. Too far, dude. Lovecraft? Is that like Warcraft but with hugs instead of arrows...?

  • June 14, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Both of those are on my list

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Crappy China Town copy? For shame. I only go legit. Region free players are cheap. Bootlegs just bother me for some reason. Perhaps my upbringing. Matters not. To each his/her own.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:40 a.m. CST

    regularfaceoht

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I truly love your ideas. Seriously. Perhaps we will see that in the second or third flick. Time will tell.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    I checked your tiny url

    by Phategod1

    and only got Asian Yahoo.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    H.P. Lovecraft

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Funny. Warcraft. Never appealed to me. Ellis does go too far. I remember waiting for my car to get serviced and I actually got sick whilst reading a "gory" description. Never in my life, save for that one moment, have I read or viewed anything that actually turned my stomach. I guess that makes him a very effective writer. And sick.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    New Transformers Clip from Jay Leno!!

    by wadi77

    Download and save: <p> http://tinyurl.com/2tzylb

  • June 14, 2007, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Asian Yahoo? WTH?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Try this one <P> http://tinyurl.com/2cmt5c

  • June 14, 2007, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Hey, I'm legit all the way, fella

    by Womb2dooM

    It was a disc from Korea but the disc was loose in the case and scuffed to the hilt. As to contents of my character, I own almost 2,000 DVDs all legit and authorised purchases and HATE with a passion whenever some upstart tries to tell me that they have a collection 3,000 movies downloaded onto their TDK coasters. China Town is THE place to go for up to date asian movies. We don't have a big market for Asian cinema in Australia so sometimes this is my only choice. Anyways, I got to get home. Nice chatting - I really do think you will enjoy TF, if not on all the levels you'd like! Good luck getting the kid to sleep. Try a little of that scotch...

  • June 14, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Womb2dooM

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Understood. Glad we think alike on that subject. Take care.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by Womb2dooM

    I'm not going into ANY big spoiler territory but I will admit that the final moment of the last BIG battle were almost sorta kinda anti-climactic. However this is just testament to the movie as a whole that even with its faults, it appeared to be loved by all. Now I REALLY must be heading home - my couch must be worried!!

  • June 14, 2007, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws *SPOILERS*

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Shia punches his proverbial ticket with the Allspark. Anti-Climatic indeed. If Shia kills you, there's no coming back! j/k. They'll surely revive him for the sequel. Surely. Optimus should have been the one that defeated him, not killed, defeated. Deceptacons! Retreat! oh well....

  • June 14, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Deceptacon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Any Le Tigre fans out there? Probably not.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST

    I'll see it if Megan Fox does attempted to get raped

    by Doc_Strange

    How hard could it be for Megan Fox to get raped? Hell, you'd have a bunch of guys lining up. <p> Other than that, FUCK THIS MOVIE!!!

  • June 14, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    So...

    by nonsensical

    Plants have gotten so much better in the last few weeks. Don't you think?

  • June 14, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Then please define a legitimate review...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    You've got the guy who wrote the review coming on here and actually backing up what he said in his review and simply because it doesn't echo the sentiments that you, (or rather the four of you), have been moaning over and over about he must be a plant. Hmmmmm. Odd that isn't it? Instead, he's had every name under the sun thrown at him, been accused of being a moron, low IQ etc. Exactly what IQ do you need to be in your 30's and still playing with toys?<br><br>It just pisses you off that despite all your protestations for the last 6 months or so, the TF movie has had several glowing reviews and it won't bomb because of fan backlash. Sucks to be you eh?

  • June 14, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Oh and Superninja

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Since you never bothered coming back to the Transformers comic talkback after you decided to take a dump on TF comic legend Geoff Senior's work, I'll ask you on here. What should a Transformer look like? If these are too "complex" and Geoffs are "Too Organic", where's the nice spot that truly defines what a Transformer is?<br><br>As someone who berates the movie at every opportunity I'd think the more traditional story telling medium, you know the one that real fans got their TF Mythos and classic story lines from, would be more acceptable. Whoever the guy up there was that says she hates simply for the sake of hating; you got it in one buddy.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    My points weren't directly aimed at you Yack

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    For the most part, you seem the most coherent and mentally stable of the people who have low opinions of this movie. Rather I was addressing the general posters throughout the entire talkback, (and others), that scream PLANT at a review that is contradictory to their own preconceived perceptions about what a movie will be like. Hey, that's exactly their perogative and most people, like you, will be happy to eat their words if they enjoy the movie. It's just a shame that there are people who are determined to dislike it, (or say this dislike it), and try and piss on everyone elses parade.<br><br>Look, Harry and Co have been suckered with their reviews before, they've posted some really bullshit reviews and ones that have blatantly been plants. For the most part, they're easily visible, but IMO Dome22's review is strikingly unplant-like and he's come on here, much like memflix, to rebut any claims that he is a plant. What does he get for his trouble? Abuse.<br><br>Yes, it's a shame there are dicks out there who go out of their way to post bogus shit on here, but this is Aint It Cool, not Empire or IGN so they kinda get away with putting the Plants up too.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    That should say

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    (Or SAY..they dislike it), implying that each and everyone of them WILL be attending the first showing at their local multiplex.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Womb2dooM what is the best

    by ominus

    Womb2dooM what is the best scene in the movie? bay said that we havent seen in the trailers the real money shots.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS=KATHY BATES FISH TACO

    by Stuntcock Mike

    2 cents.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    I thought it was interesting & strange that Superninja

    by half vader

    didn't post AT ALL (well not that I could see) on the thread where Cullen himself straight out said he liked what he saw, liked Prime's characterisation and yes, liked the design. Of course, even that didn't stop the haters from very conveniently dismissing him all of a sudden. You can't please anybody these days.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    The good news is that the TF game has Welker

    by Ricky Henderson

    He's doing the voice of Megs. Makes it a worthy purchase in my book.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    P.S., and for whoever said Shia could act up there...

    by half vader

    I'm not slagging Sninja off for that, just saying she was conspicuous by her absence. <p> I know it was only a trailer, and yes I'm looking forward to big fuck-off robots fighting, but Jesus Shia's one-note NY wiseguy shtik pisses me off. Look at the bit in the car with his Dad for bad-and-mannered-acting 101. After the "Oh no you di-int" bit, the natural and logical thing for someone in his position having just been caught out would be to stare at his dad, mouth agape (it was a pretty fuckin' cruel joke). That's not clichéd, that's honest. But nope, he's so busy with the tough-boy twitchy shtik he just glowers and has his little tantie (he does eventually remember his direction). Sure I'm anal (which puts me in good company in a TF TB), but Christ on a bike that 'performance' shits me! He played the same damn role in I, Robot and Constantine too. But yes I'll eat my words too if this movie reveals an incredible thespian revelation.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS=TRIBAL BAND TATOO

    by posbasso

    Maybe he's just a little insecure. C'mon--you know some of you guys have 'em...

  • June 14, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Thanks, TheAllSeeingEye

    by Yack Backer

    There's a lot of hot air being blown around by both sides of the "debate" over this movie. Stepping back, this is a really strange TB war.

  • June 14, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Yes, but is Megan Fox

    by Abominable Snowcone

    nude supine akimbo?

  • June 14, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I did post on the Cullen thread. I said Cullen

    by superninja

    was trying to please both the fans (who got him the job) and the filmmakers. What, is he going to turn down work like this? No. So, I've got nothing bad to say about Cullen.

  • June 14, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Here is what a Transformer should look like.

    by superninja

    http://hk.geocities.com/leo_wallpaperstore/B.Devastator.jpg <p> Also, I am not disparaging Senior's abilities as a storyteller (as sometimes that can trump the asthetic), I just don't like the way he draws robots. Never cared for the UK comics, either.

  • June 14, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Die Hard 4 Officially PG-13

    by BGDAWES

    http://livefreeordiehard.com/index_site.html

  • June 14, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    TheAllSeeingEye, Yackbacker...

    by nonsensical

    First Yack, I'm good. Busy as all get out, but good. <p> Yes this reads like a Plant but I do have to give him credit that he stuck around. Which in all honesty might be a new tactic to make the plants seem less like a plant. Think about that. People call you "plant" so you stay around for a few days and then "defend" youself. It's a good way to build credibility. <p> As for halfvader and the Cullen comments. You do realize that right now Peter Cullen is the lead robot character in a multi-million dollar summer film and that he has probably been paid more than he has ever been paid for reprising a character he has loved for more than 20 years. For this reason and the fact that he's been paid a whole lot of money, do you really think he would come out and bash the film even if it was the worse pile of shit he'd ever seen? <p> No, I don't think so. He's old school and he knows you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Especially when you know they are going to make a sequel no matter how good or bad this film does. <p> I think that Yack and people like myself are setting ourselves up for a really, really shitty film. Our expectations have been shattered so far by what we have seen and read and so they are so low that this film might be good for us. <p> On the other hand I feel bad for those who are letting the hype machine build this up so much for them that when they see it the film might be just plain horrible. Afterall this guys "review" said it suffered from the same shit that everyone had been bitching about in their reviews of Spidey 3, and Pirates and Shrek... plus he also says that he had no idea what the hell was going on in the movie. <p> Really if there is no descernable plot than all of what talkbackers like myself and Yack have been saying is true. This "film" is all fluff and flash without any real substance. Which in my opinion means that the film will suck because of all that is missing in what could have been a truly amazing story in motion.

  • June 14, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    TF is probably better than the Mod Squad or

    by superninja

    Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, though. Way to sell it there, buddy.

  • June 14, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Maybe the film can overcome the script with sheer

    by superninja

    kinetic energy. I'm not going to pay to find out, though. You can pay and let us all know. Plus, Murphy is a troll and doesn't deserve to have his product patronized.

  • June 14, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS=CHEAP PAUL WS ANDERSON SHOT IN REVIEW

    by Ron Mexico

    "nuff said" right?

  • June 14, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Dome22......

    by Robots In Das Guys

    Let's go bananas mate....If you know what I mean...

  • June 14, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Womb2dooM

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    What about OP's "arm sword"? You never did answer that last night. A simple yes or no.

  • June 14, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I'm gettin' a HUGE bucket of popcorn with this one.

    by JDanielP

    This is the ONLY flick this summer that makes me feel like a kid again. And I wasn't even a fan of the cartoon. --I just LOVE great special effects and everything I've seen on this movie just blows my mind. When such GREAT and SPECTACULAR special/visual effects and computer animation are within a story that you care about, ...well, that's what summer blockbusters are all about. I really hope to see TRANSFORMERS at the soonest opportunity. And I'll show up early to get a great seat and a refill of popcorn, too. I am thrilled about witnessing this on the big screen with an enthusiastic crowd. And as far as I'm concerned, you can bring the kids. (What do you think... 8 years young and above?) I can't wait. Looks AAAAWESOME!!!

  • June 14, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    new videoclip from the

    by ominus

    new videoclip from the movie: http://tinyurl.com/2eksb7 i love bb's body language.hehe funny.

  • June 14, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    superchicken... could you please tell me what...

    by crashbarbarian

    is wrong with the freaking script and could you submit a link to some of your screen plays.

  • June 14, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    forget it crashbarbarian.i

    by ominus

    forget it crashbarbarian.i asked her the same question,and she only gave subjective,generic,meaningless,idiotic answers like that the humour is bad,the dialogue is bad,her life is bad etc

  • June 14, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Sorry Superninja

    by half vader

    I did honestly look for your post and obviously missed it, hence my post here. You don't conceed he genuinely honestly liked the designs though? Are you agreeing to disagree or think the comments don't count due to his situation? Surely both you and Nonsensical can appreciate the irony of being Cullen fans and saying he's an integral part of what made the original stuff good (and agreeing with him when it comes to positive comments about those days), but then discounting what seemed like an honest opinion (especially after he was honest enough to reveal being stuffed around initially)? <p> I guess that can only be truly answered in about ten year's time, but do you see my point? I understand completely about his position and the need to be diplomatic but it's a convenient cop-out for the haters if you see what I mean. Catch-22 I guess. Just trying to take an objective point of view (except for Shia I admit) or playing devil's advocate, that's all. Which is what I thought I was trying to do in one of the initial threads when I took up the mantle of explaining the Optimus nose thing being forced by the long-lens limitations of 2-d tv animation and cost of manufacture, as opposed to this film which not only didn't need to adhere to said limitations but actually SHOULD take advantages of things like the extra mass of a long nose and its effectiveness with depth and long lenses due to the mass and so-on. I went on to talk about the strengths of graphic simplification for 2d animation and comic art and why that sort of stuff doesn't hold the same sort of visual interest/effectiveness in an extended 2 hour live-action huge screen situation, as I recall, or something along those lines anyway. Of course somebody ripped me a new one for my heresy. God forbid suggesting the alternate view that G1 wasn't actually all that and a bag of chips! I can still love something from my childhood and admit the flaws without being obstinate. Allseeing said I did go off a bit though. Anyway it's nice that things seem more civil for the moment. <p> Finally, how old is Megan Fox? She looks like 30-something! Maybe she's from that long tradition of 30-something actors in highschool-based TV shows! Funny they give her chewed nails so she doesn't look like Shia's mother!

  • June 14, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Nonsensical..re:Cullen and Plants.

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    To be honest I think the filmmakers need HIM more they he needs them. Yes, it'll probably be his lifetimes big bread winner of a role, but he's never struck me as a guy to be anything other than honest and, familiar with the material.<br><br>While it's fair to say that alot of people don't like bad mouthing their own work, i do recall a certain Ewan McGreggor being slightly peeved with the prequels; a statement he made after TPM and 2 more movies to be made.<br><br>As for plants on this site, the guy who wrote this doesn't strike me as a plant. For one he's stuck around, take a look at some of the posts he's made. He doesn't sound like a stooge or suit; he just sounds like someone who had a really good time with the movie.

  • June 14, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    bumbling, foolish Autobots in Shia's backyard

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Funny? Eye of the beholder I guess. The Leno crowd clearly loved it.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    everything is in the eye of

    by ominus

    everything is in the eye of beholder..

  • June 14, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Superninja.

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    That pic you linked to is no different to any of Seniors interpretations of the characters. His rendition of scroponok and Prime are possibly the BEST drawn versions of the two characters. Period. That's not even up for debate. I'd even go so far as to point out that it certainly looks like the guy who drew that pic you posted probably got a shitload of inspiration from him.<br><br>Also, Senior isn't a story teller, he's an artist who imagines what the story teller is trying to convey; his opposite number in that respect was Simon Furman and any TF fan who's serious about the franchise will tell you that those two were, and still are, the best partnership to have ever graced the pages of the comic book<br><br>Speaking of which, I find your dig at the UK comic highly amusing since only an idiot who was PRETENDING to actually know what he/she was on about would fail to realise that, the two were essentially the same. In the beginning, UK comics ran US stories but was published weekly. It was the bonus, UK only, stories that caught the eye of TF fans worldwide and is why the UK writing team were shipped Stateside to work on the US comic. When that happened, we still got the same stories and still had our own stuff to boot. Anyone who disregards the UK version of the TF comic is either 1)An Idiot. 2)Full of shit. 3)Guilty of 1 & 2<br><br>Thanks Superninja for clearing that up, now i really know you don't have the first clue about what you're talking about.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Flames On Optimus = getting herpes from a prostitute

    by DarthCorns

    just saying

  • June 14, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    HalfVader

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Looks like I'm going off on one, but not about the movie :P<br><Br>Just to clarify, it was me you were talking to about mass-shifting and how 2D and 3D designs would have to be totally different. It was when people were screaming "why don't they look like the toys" and other such baffoonery.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    DarthCorns

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I bet it more fun getting Herpes off a prostitute than off sharing a can of coke with a friend or a mug in Starbucks.<br><br>Just saying!

  • June 14, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    well halfsies...

    by nonsensical

    I would bet you that Peter Cullen is the best damn thing in this entire movie. <p> THE BEST! <p> However, that being said even having him in this movie can't overcome all the problems and flaws that will riddle and ruin this film. <p> I don't care how good an actor is for or in a part. He or she can't save a doomed movie and all the flaws in this one just can't be overlooked.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    what it takes to make a TF movie

    by crashbarbarian

    1) updated believable models 2) an easy to navigate script that can include a) sam being necessary b) giant robots being relevant c) space for huge action scenes d) family friendly enough to make mega bucks 3) enough money to cover the huge budget and make sequels relevant thus... MBay and company has delivered what few could have

  • June 14, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    doomed movie? AHAHAHAHA this

    by ominus

    doomed movie? AHAHAHAHA this talkback is hillarious. BOUAHAHAHAHA

  • June 14, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    do i have to say that nonsensical

    by crashbarbarian

    has nonbrainical

  • June 14, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Transformers Film Review (spoilers)

    by DocMHumphrey

    It would be nice to see someone compare something that is in the film that could be in contrast to something that maybe is in the leaked script/movie adaptation novel/adaptation comic book. For example: Bumblebee defeats Barricade in the novel by dropping a wrecking ball on him in their first fight. In the comic book adap, Bumblebee and Barricade fall into a chasm and only Bumblebee crawls out. Maybe they can clarify if Bumblebee gets blown in half (novel) or just loses his leg (comic). Hence, Megan Fox driving him on the tow truck. 2. Asking if someone like Ratchet has more than a few speaking lines. That is a great question. In both adaptations, he does. Including a great, "Immature human female" line. Hopefully, that may be included in the final film. In truth, how many lines did Ratchet have in the very first Transformers (G1) pilot? Compare, then state your opinion. 3. For those of you complaining about the designs and are G1 faithful, I guess the Ironhide toy and Ironhide in the cartoon are SO very similar. The toy doesn't even have a head. I guess you should all boycott the toy. 4. Not all of Transformers canon is well written. Beastwars and Armada? Come on. Talk about a change in characters. There is another Transformers cartoon variation that had Pokemon like command (i.e. "fire missle") being shouted before said action. Gag. There is even a version where Optimus is a warehouse foreman and Megatron is his best friend who betrays him for a key of Cybertron. For complainers, in both the movie novel/comic Megatron and Optimus reference each other as "Brother", but I comprehended in a more "Band of Brothers" way. A bond of sorts, other than paternal. 5. Chevy, Ford/Saleen, Lockheed/Martin, Pontiac, Abrahms, Peterbuilt, Sikorsky Commercial - I guess if Jazz would have been a Porche it would have been a commercial for that too. All of those manufactures vehicles are represented in the commercials. All of you only mention GM. Wow, this movie really influenced my will over buying that Sikosky helicopter I've been saving up for. Just someone please clarify some of these issues, before A. Making a judgement on something they haven't seen (coming on here and saying you won't see the film doesn't count because you wouldn't be here if it sparked some kind of interest) or B. Just hating to hate. I would very much like to see a legitimate review of the film.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    well said doc

    by crashbarbarian

    and can we please put ironhide saying "lets bust some deceptichops"

  • June 14, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Death on a cracker

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    As a fan of the Transformers comic, i feel aggrieved to be bunched in with the people who can't stop confusing their toys and cartoons, with an altogether different take on the franchise.<br><Br>The script that's lamented by the same four people, over and over, would be gobbled up wholesale had they made the characters exact carbon copies of the toys and cartoon which, anyone with a mental age beyond 12 years old, knows is impossible and would look utterly shit. It's also a fact that, they could have an oscar winning screenwriter turn out a fantastic draft, and they'd still shit on it because the characters 'dont look right'.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Some People....

    by Pawprint

    I swear to god, some people couldn't get any more sour-faced about this film if they ate a bucket full of lemons. Those of you slating this film before you have seen it whine on and on about plot, characterisation and depth of story; can you seriously tell me that these were the things that kept you glued to the G1 cartoons as a child? Fucking behave yourselves; the original G1 cartoons were silly, derivative and poorly animated. I do not expect Dickensian story characterisation from this film, just spectacle and entertainment - which was all that could be expected. To elevate G1 TF's to the level of Holy Classic is foolish, and is nothing more than clinging on to fond childhood memories and familiarity. If you expected anything else, you only have yourselves to blame, and should go back to watching slow, heavily-plotted, black & white french films whilst chain-smoking unfiltered cigarettes. Hey, maybe you can even throw in the odd sage nod to make yourself feel knowledgable, cultured and superior. Calling yourselves G1 fans, and then knocking this film is fucking ludicrously hypocritcal. I'll say it again; I wish to christ now that Bay had actually made YOUR G1 TF film - bearded robots, pink lady robots, shitty boxy designs and uncovinving animations and transformations. To watch you all fucking weeping and squirming because you got EXACTLY what you wanted, only to realise it was a pile of shit, but unable to lose face by admitting it - Ahhhhhh THAT would have been beautiful. I'll just have to make do with enjoying the TF film we HAVE got.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    i would also be curious

    by crashbarbarian

    to see how a script by an oscar winner would change the script we already have, has any of the oscar winners actually adapted a toyline or a cartoon to the big screen?

  • June 14, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    oscar screen writers

    by crashbarbarian

    would probably have optimus wacking the pud in some finding himself moment while having a homosexual attraction to ironhides hide, of course sam and megan would have to have drug problems and be strung out most of the time, and of course every scene would be in reverse order.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Ah Allseeing

    by half vader

    Sorry I didn't put 2 and 2 together about going off at you. My memory's pretty shit half the time. <p> I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you this time but did you just say the artist of a comic is NOT the storyteller (isn't a storyteller, he's an artist...) or am I misquoting/misparaphrasing you? God almighty mate! You don't believe in visual narrative? You don't think comics use visual storytelling (if they're done right I guess) EVERY bit as much as the writer? The writer certainly doesn't come up with every story element and relay it longhand to the artist (unless of course they're writer/artists in which case it's internal). I admit I never read TF comics so maybe you're right and they were lousy comics that failed to exploit the twin visual and prose strengths of the medium and the interaction and juxtaposition possible. Remember too the whole problem with animation's quality was when 'pure' writers started writing the shows instead of artists trained to tell a story visually which is why we started getting what Chuck Jones called 'animated radio' (it's too hard/expensive to show characters doing stuff so we'll just have them talk about it). Things finally seem to be improving a little there but geez. Sorry I got my back up, but as an artist who's done comics and storyboards for film (which are nowhere near as similar as the simplistic analogies suggest) and a monster animation (all kinds) nut, well, I get a bit prickly. Yes I'm a bit biased there. <p> I'm hoping I've misunderstood you though because like I said in the other thread I appreciate your opinion whether I agree or not. Right. It's 4 in the morning. Bedtime!

  • June 14, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Blame the shitty PRODUCERS and DIRECTOR 4 the script

    by finky089

    to crashbarbarian's point above, I would say that while there's certainly some blame on the shoulders of the screenwriters for this Michael P.H. Bay Transformers movie, far more responsibility rests with the producers and director. They make the decisions about how the script is revised, finalized, and shot, not to mention have final say on the editing in post-production. Akiva fucking Goldsman could have written the script and it wouldn't matter if it wasn't what the movie finaciers (i.e. the Studio) and director want to make. The script sets the tone, but if the studio and director wanted more character development in this flick, it would be there regardless of the screenwriters. <p> just my 1.5 cents

  • June 14, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Once again....

    by RevSick

    ....one of the bigger problems for alot of us is that they lied about what they were doing. Had they not lied there would be no problem, they should have just come out and said they were doing a complete revamp/revision of the product, they didn't. Then when caught in the lie, did they say "oops we kinda misspoke, got too excited, yadda yadda." they attacked the fanbase, especially Murphy. Had they been mature about it alot of people wouldn't have the problem with it they have. That's been my number one thing, sure I don't like the designs, from a design standpoint they are far too busy and the decepticons look like crumpled tin-foil for the most part, but if they would have nutted up and just came clean I would never have had a problem, but they didn't so I won't be catching it till video.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    TF movie: "made to make money"

    by finky089

    it's the simplest "simple" fact about this film and just about all others. <p> Despite being a fan who's not enamored with the final product of this film, this movie wasn't made purely for die hard fans, or fans with great nostalgia for the source material and no movie ever is. <i> As we said yesterday, what more is there really to say about this film. In fact, the longer this thread goes on, the less it seems to be composed of posts expressing disatisfaction/disappointment with the film than it is people insisting on how great it will be and that even "haters" will "see it anyway". The bickering over the finer points of this film are over guys. You can stop being so defensive over the so-called "haters". Move on to Dark Knight or DH 4.0.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    And Revsick's right

    by finky089

    the disingenuous start of production didn't really help get me over or on-board with TINO's shitty robot designs and script. <p> Hey, is that Optimus Prime on a mountain talking to himself?!" <p> Nah, it's just the end of the movie. <p> Oh right. Too bad Jazz got ripped in half. Guess he won't be in the sequel.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Death on a Cracker....

    by RevSick

    ...it was all done in the forums on his site, this site and seibertron's forums. When the initial Megatron design went out and everyone collectivly went "that's not megatron what the fuck is that the Guyver?" Don went on his version of "damage control" and proceeded to personally attack bloggers, Phategod1 being one of them as well as several others, and just blasted the fanbase as a whole as a bunch of trogledytes living in their mom's basement, completely missing the point that if they hadn't lied about it in the first place there wouldn't have been a problem. The only thing you'll find on video is him begging the fan base to give it a chance.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    so they told you what you wanted to hear

    by crashbarbarian

    and then it turned out to be what you didn't want to see... tell me you knew that there was potential of their vision not matching what dreams were dancing in your skull. This movie was made to make money, and if they want my money it better deliver great action, great cg, and a plot that i can follow and makes sense... i guess im a regular joe, but im assuming thats what the majority of moviegoers want

  • June 14, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    don murphy was right in that regard

    by crashbarbarian

    just give it a freaking chance you blowhards

  • June 14, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Lieing / Design

    by DocMHumphrey

    As I said before, the G1 Ironhide cartoon character compared to the G1 toy is a good example of how the haters overlook what they hold dear to them, even though ridiculous is looking them straight in the eyes. God, I'm thankful they made Ironhide into a big heavy duty truck instead of a early eighties molester van. That's a smart decision. How impressive and exciting is a mini-van. Somebody call Chili Palmer. <br> As for making a G1 movie and lieing about it? First, I don't know about the whole Don Murphy story and what was said, but I was excited when I saw the truck at Comic con. Awesome. At first I was also upset about the flames. I thought, how white trash / hot topic is that!?!? In the end though, I was excited about seeing the movie in general and it is nice to see something 'refreshing' about the Transformers franchise. Yeah, I love the old stuff, the original animated film (hell, I cried when Optimus died and I saw it in the theatre; something my brother never lets me live down). Seriously, I want to see a very realistic telling of the Transformers. I don't want to hear them talking about Decipticreeps or "oh no my oil is low" kind of jokes. <br> If you want to talk continuity, how many times in the animated film did we see Autobots die in one scene to have them fighting in the background of the next? How about character development? Really, the Decepticons had three regulars with different personas (Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave (counting his minions would be additions because Frenzy, Rumble were the same and Ravage / Lazerbeak had more depth than the other Decepticon Security red shirts). So far what I have read of the film, there is no real difference between it and the cartoon. <br> Just because you find like the designs doesn't mean others hate them too. I in fact think Prime looks pretty good. Jazz looks great too. Iron hide does look busy, but I hope that when I get to see the finished product of the film, I will get to make my final decision on how they really look.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST

    what is done is done. now

    by ominus

    what is done is done. now are you going to pass the opportunity to watch giants robots fighting in the big screen?even if the movie turns to be good and u can watch it without buying a ticket?and dont tell me about the home cinema and dvd shit.nothing beats the magic of the big screen.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Basicaly Don wants to go onto sites and blast others...

    by RevSick

    ...but when people go on his and blast back he bans them. So he can dish it but can't take it. And Crash, it's the idea of professionalism, you don't roll out a giant G1 prime mac truck onto the floor of comic con and then deliver something different. And as I said, had they been upfront from day one there wouldn't have been a problem, hell if they had just been professional about it after the leaked images there wouldn't be a problem, they lied more, said that what we were seeing where just temp designs, but low and behold those are the real deal, so at not a single point have they acted like professionals and that is not behavior I find worthy of rewarding with my money counting towards their theatrical.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    did soundwave have a persona?

    by crashbarbarian

    i thought he was just a big lug kind of but not as dumb as grimlock

  • June 14, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    rev, my bad

    by crashbarbarian

    i forgot about the original mac at comcon... that was misleading, but im sure they really didn't know what they were doing at that time and had to have something.. so don calls up a buddy and says, get me a real truck that looks similar to optimus stat.. and thus..

  • June 14, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Oh give me a fucking break

    by Robots In Das Guys

    So they lied about the designs. Get over it. So Tah Murphy attacked the fanbase. So what. Get over it. People are not gonna go see this movie for so shit producer, but rather for FUCKING GIANT ROBOTS RIPPING THE EARTH A NEW ONE. Who the hell is gonna care about what Murphy said when they see the fricking movie. They know this. You know this. SO, look, I know, it's not right but we are talking about Hollywood here. They are not PC per se when it comes to their tactics. Don't be so innocent. Plus if Teh Murphy came to AICN, I'd expect him to start calling all the G1 fanboys bitches and fucktards that need to get out of their mother's basement and talk to people and have "sex" with a woman/man or whatever floats your boat. Me, Well, I'm gonna enjoy myself some cool Autobot on Decepticon action come July.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    murphy

    by RevSick

    I'm not going to give anything Don Murphy says a chance, the guy is an uprofessional crieten and should never be allowed near a movie set for the rest of his life. Give someone who's greatful for what they have a chance to produce something instead of a blowhard like him.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    didn' the movie website almost crash when...

    by crashbarbarian

    stuff started showing up on it way back when because it was getting an absurd amount of hits.. isn't that a good indicator that the movie will succeed. im guessing right now 350 mil domestic

  • June 14, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Well dude I hope you like the idea of

    by RevSick

    a kid killing Megatron instead of a big brawl with him and prime so good luck with that.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    I don't doubt it's going to do big money...

    by RevSick

    ...but I think it'll be a big opening weekend then a quick drop off.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    crashbarbarian

    by nonsensical

    Do I have to point out that in this film you have designs that are updated into walking piles of garbage. <p> You have a human character that kills more giant alien robots than the robots that are supposed to be the good guys thus rendering them irrelevant. <p> A story that from the reviews coming in that is utterly convoluted and hard to follow. <p> Sure the effects might lead to an initial boon in moneys but then folks will see it suffer like Superman Returns... or and here's hoping... Catwoman. <p> You are right though, Bay and his company did deliver what another director might not have. <p> Half-assed crap.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    nonsensical

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    thank you

  • June 14, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I've thumbed through the adaptations...

    by RevSick

    ... mostly human reaction to said "Giant Fucking Robots" and a battle at the end with the kid doing most of the work, the "Giant Fucking Robots are back drops, their props, nothing more nothing less, props to make things go KaBlooey.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    you guys crack me up... this movie is going to rock

    by crashbarbarian

    regardless of how many tears fall to the floor in a nonsensical way

  • June 14, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Womb2doom... ANTICLIMATIC, so TRUE!

    by XiMan

    The end of the battle was VERY anti-climatic...truly. And I was ready to leave the theater and bash the film despite the RIDICULOUS special effects. But leave it up to OPTIMIUS-PRIME to reel me back in. The way he ends the film.....FUCKING PRICELESS! Guraranteed to get my ass back July 4th.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    you guys crack me up...this movie will rule

    by crashbarbarian

    and you will cry and moan and ... CATWOMAN are you a freaking retard! i'm going to see it at least 4 maybe 5 times one for each of you who cant just try to like it

  • June 14, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    megatron isn't dead retards

    by crashbarbarian

    he will be back and optimus will truly rule him

  • June 14, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    BAH!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    BAH! Enough, I say.<P>These TBs are now officially pointless. There is nothing in these Tranformers threads that I couldn't cut-n-paste out of another one. We all know the arguments and we all know the gripes. Consider it old hat.<P>BAH!

  • June 14, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    No one has said they will never see it....

    by RevSick

    ...just not in the theaters, why you have a problem with people waiting for video is beyond me especially with HDTV and full 7.1 surround systems being easily attainable.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Ominous...There's a TON you haven't seen...

    by XiMan

    Literally a TON. I shamelessly look at all clips released online to the late night shows, the endless MTV "sneak peaks" so I had seen a lot of footage before seeing the film...I was BLOWN AWAY by how much they hadn't given away. You will be too or I'm a plant.

  • June 14, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    im so jealous

    by crashbarbarian

    of you guys who've already seen the movie

  • June 14, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    XiMan & Womb2doom

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Is the "non-spoiler agreement" still in effect for the Aussie screening until June 23/28?

  • June 14, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    xi.. give us more details

    by crashbarbarian

    does jazz get enough lines as to make up for the fact that he bites it

  • June 14, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    how many of the robots get a line

    by crashbarbarian

    im assuming all of them atleast get one line... right

  • June 14, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    Prime & Megatron

    by DocMHumphrey

    Prime and Megatron do fight; Hell you can find the footage on YouTube somewhere. I thought it looked pretty good. As of Sam killing Megatron, it might play well for the story. How humans and Autobots get along, I suppose.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed...YES OR NO

    by XiMan

    I hate it when people don't answer questions, so I'll end your torment. YES! I hadn't heard about this sword so it was a nice surprise for me. (Note to self: it's really cool to have seen this movie before everyone else! hahaha)

  • June 14, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    how much bigger is op as opossed to...

    by crashbarbarian

    jazz, bumble bee. Is megs as big compared to jazz as he looks in the trailer

  • June 14, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Saw the movie yesterday

    by shite4shineola

    It is completely badass, the effects are like nothing you have ever seen before. Plot aside, you are going there for the Autobots and Decepticons plain and simple.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Non-Spoiler Agreements, Memflix...Now I'm scared!

    by XiMan

    I'm not going to give anything else away specifically. But... I was pissed about Jazz, but to be honest, it's called "Antagonism" and no story is good without it. You'll know what I mean when you see it. Yes, all of them get SEVERAL LINES.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    So the plot sucks ass, but the effects are good...

    by RevSick

    ...not exactly why I pay ten bucks to deal with a theater crowd. So as a percieved "hater" I'll hit a mid point, I'll read cover to cover the prequel novel and the movie novelization and be back with my opinion.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I just want to see someone confirm a screening

    by DocMHumphrey

    Please someone confirm if they have really seen this film; tell us something they haven't seen on YouTube or in a commercial/trailer. <br> 1. Bumblebee gets blown in half/leg shot off <br> 2. Frenzy gets his head cut off and sprouts legs ala John Carpenter's "The Thing" and then transforms into a cell phone. <br> 3. Jazz gets his life spark torn out by Megatron <br> 4. When Bumblebee and Barricade fight, does Barricade get crushed by the wrecking ball or do they fall down a chasm? I think these are legitimate questions that someone that has seen the film can answer, at least giving us a basis to which script/adaptation is more accurate to the source.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    This is what I don't get....

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    No one ever said it would be a carbon copy of G1, rather based, albeit loosely, in the mythos of G1. I take that as to not infer Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Energon, Cybetron or however many other incarnations of this franchise exist; can anyone spot any similarities to those other franchises? Anyone see a gorilla prime? The fact is, you all read into Spielbergs/Bays/Murphys words, exactly what you wanted to hear, live action cartoon.<br><br>Those of us that never had the preconceived notion that say, Ironhide would be a 'molesters mini-van', (priceless DocMHumphrey, absolutely priceless), are going into this with no high expectations other than what we've seen looks entertaining. The people complaining are doing so because they dislike the designs, ie. they don't look like lego creations with bits of cars stuck on them. That shit was cool for the 80's, it still works in comics, but it won't ever, EVER, translate to a live action film. I suppose you could argue the script sucks but hey, I'll argue that even if the script were fucking awesome you'd still complain about the look.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    someone give me a legit reason why

    by crashbarbarian

    the script sucks!

  • June 14, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Transformers BeastWars Live Action Movie

    by DocMHumphrey

    I won't go to see it because Optimus turns into a Western African Gorilla instead of an East African Gorilla.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    doc...hahahahahahahah

    by crashbarbarian

    please make more fun of these guys... you are hilarious

  • June 14, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    death, just read the novel.. thats what i did

    by crashbarbarian

    and the comic book adaptation

  • June 14, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Collect 'Em All!

    by Robots In Das Guys

    Does anyone have the BK Starscream toy? I need to complete my collecton of giant fucking robots. Wich is exactly the point of this movie.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Crashbarbarian...Why the Script Sucks?

    by XiMan

    All I can tell you is what I experienced from my gut... 1) The first time Tyrese and Gang opens their mouths, I had to fight the urge to run out of the theater. This urge rarely disappeared (except with Duhamel's "motivation" to get home--very touching) 2) There is a subplot involving a young and hot (and English) "scientist" of sorts, that feels about as natural as an asshole on an elbow 3) John Turturo's agency is a JOKE! So is it's accompanying subplot (you'll have a whole new and laughable perspective on a certain dam) 4) The Fox whose first time is Megan has some really bad lines (second only to Turturro) Now that I think about it, it wasn't THAT bad...but somehow it was. Because of the subplots mostly.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Seriously

    by DocMHumphrey

    This is fun and I enjoy reading the Talkbacks to let loose some steam at work. Why such hatred, really? I love Transformers too, I had the toys and watched the cartoons, collected the comics. I love movies also. I would love to see us all succeed and see directors be fans of something and make it special or taylor made for us. <br> In the end, a film like that may not make the money back that was put into it. Someone else on here stated an important point about how it would cost three times as much money to make a film the was just Transformers and one human involved. They would never be able to make that money back. No one would help finance it and studios wouldn't touch it, because of the money. Hell, if it wasn't that things cost money, as a society would have probably found the cure for almost every ailment. We wouldn't have to worry about that kind of gamble. <br> Us, the faithful moviegoer, are not unlike the sick. We're both screwed by the business gamble. In defense of this movie, I have not seen it. I have read the novel and the comic and it looks like it will be fun and entertaining. I'm hoping for a connection to the characters. I hope for the best, because at this point, this is the hand that's played to us. All in all, it could be a mediocre; I don't think it will be horrible. Horrible is something like "Troll 2" or "Trancers 4".

  • June 14, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    xi

    by crashbarbarian

    i know what your saying... it sounds far fetched... we are talking about a movie with giant robots though... also.. they don't say that the damn was built to hide the certain thing do they, but that it just happened to be a good hiding place... otherwise you are right.. stupid!

  • June 14, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    The Fox whose first *NAME* is Megan

    by XiMan

    typo

  • June 14, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Okay... once again. I'm done.

    by nonsensical

    Obviously the difference here is that people who hate this film wanted a film that was great. That means visually stunning, and substantial in regards to the story. <p> This film is cliché after cliché with a few extra McGuffins thrown int for good measure. <p> There is no denying ILM and their skills in CG production, however, they could have done just as well by adapting and maintaining the original designs. Believe me the could have made it work. <p> The other group of people that love this film don't give a rats ass about the story. All they want is explosions and giant robot set pieces that play around in the background. Hell they don't even care if they talk. <p> Of course this is what this film is... so the "lovers" get what they want at the expense of what could have been truly great and given the "haters" as you all call us something that we too could have loved. <p> Fuck you very much.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS=THE TRANSFOMERS CARTOON

    by urotsukidoji

    it's all so lame.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    crash

    by XiMan

    I guess they didn't... At second glance the script isn't as bad as it is far-fetched... it was more of the ACTING!

  • June 14, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    nonsensical

    by crashbarbarian

    once again catch up before you post, i am very interested in how much the transformers talk and about there personalities as well, as well as if the story is followable (not a word) all you care about is if they look like the cartoon... you truly are helpless

  • June 14, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    well look at the actors

    by crashbarbarian

    besides shia, im not really expecting much in the acting department, was anyone really? don't get me wrong, i like bay, but he has done a wonderful job of making every good actor who has worked with him look like its their first movie.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Are you even reading this talkback crash?

    by nonsensical

    There are this reviewer said he couldn't follow the story. <p> "I had NO IDEA what the hay was going on here. Ever. The whole movie. I looked around to my mates who had the exact same look on their faces – I don’t know what is going on" <p> That generally means, I can't follow this story. <p> Think before you speak. I care more about the story than the 'splosions and effects. I wanted a great TF film with a great story and great effects. So far, all we are hearing and seeing is that it is a very sub par story with great visuals. <p> Last time I checked that doesn't make a great film. So pull your head out of your ass and shut the fuck up.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Good call Crash

    by DocMHumphrey

    Those are the things I'm interested in also. Does Jazz have a cool voice and is he all slick and Scatman? Based on the novel, Rachet speaks similar to Perceptor. Can anyone confirm?<br> <br> In all honesty, if someone really has seen the film on here, they could answer these questions, even if they were unfamiliar with the source material.<br> <br> Another question: Even after Bay confirmed that Optimus doesn't have lips, why do people still groan about it? I do have to say that the Aussie Hacker Girl plotline is kind of pointless.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    nonsensical

    by crashbarbarian

    did you even read my last post...

  • June 14, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Well Doc...

    by nonsensical

    That's becuase Bay LIED!... <p> We see Prime has lips in three different trailers and spots. Hell in the regular TV spot we see his mouth guard slide into place. <p> That's why people groan.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Crashbar

    by BRUTICUS

    you're dumb. people aren't pissed cause they didn't steal the designs from the cartoon and replicate them with prestine ILMa accuracy. people are pissed cause they don't look enough like they're supposed to.<p><p>The changes are stupid. Because they have completely dumbed down the designs. Yes they made them more detailed but in the process they took away the feeling that there is significant machinary going on inside the casing. You look at these transformers and they have NO INSIDES. Its just car parts. And its just not what was cool about Transformers. There is nothing beneath the surface. And it pisses people off. You dont get it. Who cares what are you gonna do battle the whole world. The designs suck. End of story. Boohoo.

  • June 14, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    to nonsense... i go back to a previous post

    by crashbarbarian

    nonsensical has non brainical Doc is right on... we need to know about Jazz, also... if the hacker girl is like she was in the novel then i kind of like that subplot, however how irrelevant it is... they could have easily done with out it though!

  • June 14, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Which one?

    by nonsensical

    The one where you tell me to catch up? Or the one asking about the dam? Or the one before that where you beg to have Doc continue to make fun of people on the talkback? <p> Which are you referring to?

  • June 14, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    im refering to the one where i stated..

    by crashbarbarian

    that i like the robots speaking and want to know about their personalities, which was a reply to your comment that those of us who like the movie dont care if the robots talk... and yes.. i wish doc would make fun of you more as i lack the tanicity and humor to do so with the full capacity it deserves... also bruticus called me dumb... that is why im not worried about you little crybaby hacks... don't come watch the movie... it will be better then having to watch it beside you when you are screaming at the screen calling giant robots dummies.

  • June 14, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Crash...

    by nonsensical

    I swear you must be borderline fucktarded. <p> Jazz doesn't sound like Jazz... and it won't matter since he won't be back.

  • June 14, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Nonsensical

    by DocMHumphrey

    Please point me in the direction of where I can see the lips. I looked through the trailers the other day and didn't see any that were like the initial character design sheets without Prime's mouth guard.<br> <br> Sadly, I think lips would be a downer for me, but I don't think it would ruin the movie. Nonetheless, I'm still interested if you could point me in the direction of such pics.

  • June 14, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Okay Crash...

    by nonsensical

    I can give you that... <p> "i like the robots speaking and want to know about their personalities, which was a reply to your comment that those of us who like the movie dont care if the robots talk... " <p> I think that's why you seem somewhat less fucktarded than the jackholes on this site who are screaming that it's "giant fucking robots blowing shit up!" as their only defense of why this film is supposedly "the shit" for them. <p> Good for you, you have an expectation.

  • June 14, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    i feel like

    by crashbarbarian

    bruticus and nonsense are like the little kids in my wifes kindergarden class that come and tattle to her saying that "tommy was humping my leg" or, "the won't let me play kissy girls." "Oscar, oscar... michael didn't make the transformers look like they have insides... im taking my ticket and going home."

  • June 14, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    check the trialer for one... at around 2:22.

    by nonsensical

    sorry... if that brings you down.

  • June 14, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I meant trailer...

    by nonsensical

    damn this thing needs a spell check... or edit function.

  • June 14, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = SHIA FUCKING CATS

    by Robots In Das Guys

    Fuck you all. 'Nuff said.

  • June 14, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    See Nonsensical.

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    You need to get everyone organised. You say you wanted a decent script, Bruticus says he wants better robots. So, does that mean that a better script and same robots still suck? Just out of interest, why does Prime having lips cause such an issue for you? He also has a mouthguard so, er...what do you think sits under a mouthguard? I'll give you a hint..it begins with 'mouth'.<br><br>Bruticus, it's obvious you don't have a clue what you are talking about either; take a seat in the gobshite corner with Superninja will you? Each TF talkback you come to, you seem to change the reasons for disliking the movie ever so slightly. You say you don't care about the cartoon or the toys but if I'm not mistaken, you were one of the guys showing toys and cartoon pics in one of the first TF talkbacks? And if you think those Robots don't look mechanical enough, or complex enough, then you should really speak to Superninja, (you're both sat in the corner after all), since she seems to think they're TOO mechanical. Fuck me, you can't even get your gripes right!!

  • June 14, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    What are these Transformers

    by SithMenace

    everyone speaks of?

  • June 14, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Lips

    by DocMHumphrey

    Honestly,<br> I don't think the lips will be the destruction of the character. Man, I didn't even notice them in the trailers up until you pointed in out at 2:22. I thought it was kind of an interesting idea to have his faceplate slide in.<br> <br>I do have to agree with you that it is an unneccessary addition/change, but it is not world ending. Looking at his face right after the Sam's "Japanese" line in the trailer, it look like Optimus has a line mouth more than to say "lips". When you say lips, I'm expecting the scary female from 'Gremlins II' or Angelina Jolie, not a line for a mouth.

  • June 14, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    death on a cracker you want the scoop on Don Murphy

    by Phategod2

    Actually his 1st assault was on a guy called KneonT. KneonT wrote a article on his blog after seeing the designs for the transformers, that got the attention of alot of TF fans, He then participated in a online interview at Seibertron.com. Then Don Murphy on his message board basically debased the man and his family and KneonT posted murphys response on his blog. KneonT made most of us aware of Murphy's Asshatness and we proceeded in lambasting him to our hearts content. Days or hours later KneonT let us know about a pre-Q & A Murphy was participating in on Siebertron.com. Me and a few other AICNers went over there (myself with no ill intention) to aask a few questions. Murphy acted like a complete ass to every screen name he could recognize from AICN and to even the owner of the website who conducted the Q & A the result was Murphy being banned or timed out because he did post later. Prime example of his asshattery, Someone asked him why Soundwave was not in the movie. his retort was something along the lines of "you are so glad he's not in the movie." Someone politely asked him to embelish and Murphy's response was "Thats not your real name". That plus either Murphy or one of "Stooges*" comes here frequently to either harrass me for bad spelling and has been bannend numerous times and returns with some rediculous play on my screen name and occupation. A "Stooge" is a fan of Producer Don Murphy.- also see Caveman.

  • June 14, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    TASE I respect your pro movie view

    by Phategod2

    but your opinion is a little skewed. Most of us can let the designs slide if the script was tight and more G1-centric, we wouldn't care if they looked like stick figures that transformed in to calculators. You have not read the script you have no Idea where most of the "haters" are coming from. Your still defending the designs but honestly most of us don't care anymore. And If someone hates the designs and another person hates the script that there perogative no one needs to hate or love this movie for same reasons. But your argument begins and end with designs Now you can throw all the Comic book jargon at me you want I'll admit I've never read a issue UK or otherwise but if you ask me about the designs they look like ass to me but what I care about most is do the transformers act like Transformers Now Womb2Doom said that there are moments where their character comes through but most of the movie is Bay blowing shit up. It might be good, might be bad I wont spend my money one way or the other because the producer is a asshole.

  • June 14, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    so is it settled that don murphy

    by crashbarbarian

    is a bad man?

  • June 14, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by Robots In Das Guys

    "It might be good, might be bad I wont spend my money one way or the other because the producer is a asshole." OK, I get all the other reasons why someone would not want to see this movie, but that not wanting to see it because the producer is an asshole??? Come on. That reminds me of the people nitpicking about Superman's boots in SR last year on Superhero Hype.

  • June 14, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Hey! Where is WalterB's Talkback?

    by SpencerTrilby

    I thought he was going to answer, Balboa style. And we're still waiting part deux of this amazing phone interview of James Cameron. Harry? Are you listening?

  • June 14, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Phategod..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    In terms character building what are you expecting? Oceans 11? Witty Tarantino-esque dialog? I think what alot of you are forgetting is that this movie is aimed at children too; they dont give a shit about dialogue. And please, don't say the cartoon was deep and meaningful, it was base entertainment for 20 mins on a morning, nothing more<br><br>Anyway, to address your other points. I don't see how my opinion can be skewed. I'm not the one who read a script that was 5 months old and wasn't a shooting script, my opinion/view is unsullied. Now I could take your word for it that it's total shit, but unfortunately, for the most part, I can't take any criticism of the script as serious because so many of the people who've complained it complained about other things BEFORE they even read the script. Mainly that they didn't look like toys. Despite all that, I also thinks its a little arrogant for people who have read it to say your opinion is the only one to listen to; for what it's worth, Latino Review did a preview of exactly the same script you've read and gave it a glowing review. I've read many of their news and spoilers and, for the most part, found them to be accurate and unbiased. Oh and the reviewer was also a Transformers fan.<br><br>As for the general concensus amongst the complainers, sorry but if you're all going to rely on each other to make a point then really you all need to get your points straight. Are the designs too complex? Are they too simple? You can very well say you don't like them but, forgive me for saying this, it's a little backwards for you to all hate those designs for different reasons.<br><br>Comic-wise, i've only mentioned that once, to Superninja, since she felt compelled to enter a TF comic talkback and shit on the work of a man who, for alot of fans, is a genius. To think that I actually took some of her posts seriously before she posted there is quite disturbing, i might have still given them some consideration if she hadn't outed herself as knowing nothing about what she declares to dislike.<br><br>As for the producer being an Asshole, he might be but I don't really care as long as I walk away entertained. You drink Coca-Cola? They're pretty nasty, from a corporate view, do you boycott their products too?

  • June 14, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    that should say

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    *"it's a little backwards for you to all hate those designs for different reasons; at least ones that contradict each others opinion on why you hate them"

  • June 14, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Yes I do

    by Phategod2

    and my disdain for Don Murphy comes from a personal experience If a Coca Cola VP called you a asshole would you continue to buy coke. But Micheal Bay himself has stated that the leaked script shares many of "the same beats" and from every set description and 95% of the Trailers, the reviews, and footage I've seen they shot every bit of that script.

  • June 14, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Well they would do

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Why is not surprising to see stuff in footage from an early script BUT not be prepared to see footage of stuff that wasn't in the script you read?<br><br>And as for being called an asshole by the VP of Coca Cola, i guess I'd have to take into consideration what I'd done to be called an asshole. Now, I've seen some his rants at people; infact I've found some of them to be highly amusing, (I like watching fights and arguments; they make the best form of theatre i think), but in most cases I will give him this, he's usually goaded into something. Now, I don't know KneonT, I don't read his blog, perhaps you could point me to his article that got up Murphy's nose? Now if i can read that and see that it was an unprovoked attack, i will gladly call him an asshole. Also worth noting is that his own message board seems to be full of criticism as well as stoogeying, so, what are the critics over there doing that KneonT didn't do?

  • June 14, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I have brought fucking cats to the masses...

    by Colonel Activity

    BEHOLD! SHIA FUCKS CATS! MEGAN FOX LOOKS LIKE A STRIPPER (A REALLY HOT ONE) BUT SHIA WILL NOT FUCK HER. HE FUCKS ONLY CATS!

  • June 14, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    I dont have link to it

    by Phategod2

    But I cant tell you this, KneonT did not even mention Murphy by name. His comments where directed at the Movie and he said nothing to insult the character of any one involved in the movie making process. Murphy's attack on him and his family was unprovoked. Now as for me I feel that what I say or do one website has no bearing on another and True I critisized the man for his decisions and treatment of KneonT here but I didn't deserve to be disrespected by him on another website. Now I've had forum discussions with Roberto Orci and While we disagree on the direction of the movie the man has been nothing less of a gentleman and if "mighty murphy" has handled himself in the same manner then he'd probably have my $19.50.

  • June 14, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Gili

    by lost.rules

    The Plot sucks ass! But that's not what your there for. Your there to look at Jennifer Lopez's Sweet ASS! Trust me. Go see the movie.-Plant

  • June 14, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Then Phategod,

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I will gladly call the man an asshole, but, since I want to watch the movie, he's going to get my money. At least it's going to other people too.

  • June 14, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    For the record, of all the people who have said they'll hate this movie, you are the only one to have ever stuck to your guns and not moved the goal posts, though you weren't keen on the designs at first. And hey, that's your perogative, but it's also mine to actually go and see the movie.<br><br>To be honest, I'm sick to fucking death of hearing people harp on about how this isn't what the fans wanted. You know, nothing is ever right as far as a hardcore fan goes, case in point I fucking hate the prequel trilogy and believe I coulda done the whole 3 movies better. There I said it. But, I drew my conclusions after I saw the flick. Now yes, You've read the script, (and I'll argue till i'm blue in the face that it's always wrong to read a movie script; not quite blue yet, got a bit of a purple going on though), but while the script has the dialogue etc it's not representative of the film. Now, i know that people are talking dialoge here but here's an example for you. Go read the Reservoir Dogs script. It reads like shit, no offence to Tarantino, but the script on its own sucks a big dick. My opinion. But...when i watch the movie, even though it's word for word, it works. Now yes, QT had a better cast to work with and he wasn't blowing shit up BUT the point is the same; you gotta see it on the screen to appreciate it. My general rule with scripts though is "dont read em". Sure you get to see if you think it sucks BUT, if you read a good script, you just fucked a really good movie.

  • June 14, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    The only reason I now read scripts of suspect movies

    by Phategod2

    X-3 the last stand. Thank you harry for the heads up.

  • June 14, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Yeh But Phategod,

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    That's Harry's opinion and, to be fair, while he slagged off X3 he pimped Superman which in my book was as shit or shitter than X3. While X3 looked like a poor TV dressed as a movie, think Mutant X, Superman Returns looked nice but was shit. Anyway, i didn't read either script because, ultimately, as a fan of movies, I like to watch them. If i want to read, i go buy a book.

  • June 14, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    HARRY KNOWLES CHOSE ELI ROTH....AND HERE'S WHY...

    by Robots In Das Guys

  • June 14, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Sicko is out ?

    by Phategod2

    I think I just found my way to see FF2 for free.

  • June 14, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    new batsuit...

    by blindambition238

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5860

  • June 14, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Peter Travers just

    by Colonel Activity

    totally trashed FF2...I wonder if FOX will try to strong-arm Rolling Stone.

  • June 14, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I hope it helps his fight scenes

    by Phategod2

    I loved BB but the Fight scenes needed work. I want to see some that Batman Jujitsu, and Judo.

  • June 14, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Col. Activity

    by Phategod2

    do you have a link?

  • June 14, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Okay

    by Colonel Activity

    that new batsuit fucking rocks! This movie is going to be the shizbot. Also, Shia fucks cats.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Just go to rollingstone.com

    by Colonel Activity

    It's all there. He gives it one star and says it's for eight year olds.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    all seeing eye

    by moondoggy2u

    Isn't saying the "haters" are constantly moving the goal posts a bit disingenous? I myself have been a staunch anti Bay man for years, my friend, and on that basis alone I've a reason to be skeptical. <p>Oh, there are other points, to be sure: substandard leads, substandard designs, and a subpar script. Are we all going to see Transformers based upon lead actors? Of course not--we want to see ourselves some Transformers, of course! Are we there to see the designs? Well, unfortunately, yes, we are. The designs are mostly workable. Some, like baricade and optimus, are really nice, but most of them could have been better, such as StarScream and Megatron, and I think most people know this to be true. <p>A script, on the other hand, is a funny thing. If the effects work, as they appear to do in this film, and other areas are workable, then a script will be propped up, as it were. I think for many here who have read the script, myself included, were horrified by the eyeglasses maguffin, horrible dialogue, and truly thoughtless plot points (megatron killed/defeated by spike). <p>So, we're left with fantastic effects work, character designs that are mostly workable, bad lead actors, and a plot that seems nonsensical at best. Will I go see this movie? Of course I will--I'm a weak, weak man. But please, refrain from calling people like myself, Yack, and superninja haters. We're simply people who honestly enjoy a franchise. And while we do love movies, and understand that stories must be dictated by format, we seem to not enjoy the rather unintelligent films Bay produces, to say nothing of what he seems to have done to something we really enjoyed. <br>........................<br>In short, I'll see this movie though the history of Bay's work, Murphy's belligerance, and nearly all the news releases we've received this past year speak otherwise. Just dont confuse honest, informed, intelligent, and deserved skepticism with hatred.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    TheAllSeeingEye...

    by nonsensical

    Hey there. <p> I want to point out to you that I too have never faltered or moved one way or the other on how and why I think this movie is just a huge mistake that could have easily been avoided. <p> I agree with everything and I mean to the letter agree with YackBacker, though I think I might have a little more info since the script I read appears to have been dated a little later than the rest of the group and from what I've been told by friends who are actually working on this project... it was the same script they shot from. <p> I have maintained that I know sometimes more revisions get made as they shoot but given the type of film this is and the CG intensive work involved this film couldn't stray much from the shooting script. <p> I will standby the fact that when the launched that god awful teaser with the Mars probe thingy that the best forshadowing of this film was made by the audience. <p> When they saw it was "Transformers" they applauded and cheered. <p> When they saw "a Micheal Bay Film" the audience did the collective. "Awwww...." <p> I swear it was like watching a baby take it's first steps and then fall down a flight of stairs. <p> My expectations for this film were set back when they had the cabover at comiccon and Muphy talked up about making this a G1 based film. <p> Since all of G1 has now been ignored aside from the names of some characters and Peter Cullen as Prime's voice. I think he missed the mark a little.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Transposeurs - A Michael Bay Phlegm

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    This site was bought and paid for by Dreamworks/Paramount over a year ago. Is it because they own the rights to "Ghost Town" that we are so rah rah and giddy about this property that no reviewer on this site has historical knowledge of nor a passing interest in? We can't criticize our advertisers. Where is the journalistic integrity your were taught about at UT Journalism? You could recite the serial number of the trash compactor in Star Wars, but have no knowledge of the 20 years transformers has been around? This site used to have some balls. I mean you trash Ghost Rider when it comes out (deservedly so) but then you buy the dvd and recommend it for others? WTF? How about if a property sucks just don't give them your money. Like this crapfest of a movie. Speak with your wallet.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I dont need to smell a piece of shit to know it stinks

    by BRUTICUS

    Now dont go using the more than meets the eye line on me please... it shouldn't be in the movie once, but its in there twice. They didn't have to say it EVER in the cartoon.<p><p><p>This movie is a dumbed, watered down version of the Transformers<p><p><p>And you're basically saying thats what all movies do with old properties so we should just be entertained.<p><p><p><p>Fuck off, look at the hype from this movie. Its the NAME TRANSFORMERS. You think its MICHAEL BAY? Get real....A Transformers movie was destined to be gold, thats why you picked it up. You would have to be worse than uwe boll for it to fail to be honest.<p><p><p><p>Back to the designs. THE DESIGNS SUCK. What more can I tell ya? I'm pretty sure you know why they suck. These talkbacks wouldn't be half as long as they are if people weren't in here bitching about how shitty they were. So why complain about it? Enjoy the exposure.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    AllseeingEye

    by half vader

    Didja see the post? Care to respond?

  • June 14, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Bruticus, Moondoggy2u

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Since, from an artistic point of view, they're complex and quite frankly stunning. I find it incredulous to say the least when someone who clearly doesn't have a clue about the enormous task of bringing such things to life finds reason to criticise them. Ok you don't like them, but you seem to be digging for reasons for it; much to my amusement it's for being exactly the opposite of why Superninja dislikes them, which one of you is right? You're entitled to your opinion, just say "i think they suck", don't get all shitty 'cos someone has the audacity to disagree or pick apart your reasoning. It's also highly amusing to hear you actually say this is a "dumbed down" version of Transformers, as a fan of the franchise for over 21 years I'd like to know exactly when it was serious, thought provoking material. Oh an incidently, it seems more people have issue with the script these days, but don't worry, we know there's alot of those freaky toy fans out there even if they're keeping schtum.<br><br>Moondoggy, I know you're a level headed kinda guy from countless other talkbacks, TF and non TF alike. But, I'm a fan too. While I admit Bay isn't the best person in the world he gets credit for his set pieces and to be honest I think picking a director for this flick is a tough choice for anyone. Out of interest, who would YOU have picked to direct? While I'm only sorry that they didn't go to the TF legend Simon Furman to pen the story, basing our assumptions that they were making a TF film that would cater for us, (the old farts of the franchise), was always wishful thinking. While you, Yack and I are familiar with a whole load of the characters, backgrounds and backstory, this is introducing the franchise to a new audience they've got 2 hrs to do it in and let's not forget, they wanna sell toys!!<br><br>While it's not exactly what we're familiar with I will whole-heartedly argue that this film DOES have it's roots in G1; it certainly bears more of a resemblance to G1 than any of the other incarnations that franchise has seen in the past 18 years. Be honest here, were you really expecting it to be 1980 all over again? Like someone earlier said, did you really think Ironhide would be a molestors minivan? I didn't. I suppose as a 31 year old man my only grievance is that they've had to change that stuff 'cos outdated; that makes me feel old, but not as old as I feel when i see my friends baby sister pushing a pram!<br><Br>As for Megatron being killed...well..we know he's not really dead. Jesus, did this many people cry when Prime died in the animated movie? I didn't, but i remember 2 of my friends did, it was really humerous watching them choke up.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    I've really enjoyed reading these posts today

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Nice to see people being civilized.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    YackBacker, nonsensical, ominus, HeWho,

    by Womb2dooM

    First up, I'm on the other side of the world, HeWho. Yes, a big arm sword is in it. It goes through the head of one of the decepticons. Yack/nonsensical - I've been posting here for years. Go back to the DieHard wars, Host reviews, various Harry reviews and DVD columns. I can't prove I'm not a new breed of plant, I'm just a guy that really dug the movie. My opinions are your own and your conclusions are, for lack of better phrase, knee jerks. If I was a plant - I've done a shitty job converting the negatives masses (all four of you) with my "what story? I like boom" approach. Ominus, I never watched one piece of footage from TF prior to theatre entrance. I can only surmise that there is way too many "money shots" to fit into 1:30 trailer. No those still beiliving that I never saw the movie (despite my above posts) I will repeat: Bumblebee turns into camaro while in a tunnel, goes onto two wheel, lands and looks pretty all to the Kill Bill 1 strut music. There is funny interviews in the end credits with Shias folks and **SPOILER** starscream flies into outer space. Megatron does not go to the peak of Everest to call other Autobots, I think it some mountain in US somewhere. If I've missed anyone, there are about 200 more posts from the time I went to bed to the time I awoke... If somebody could tell me how to do the *new paragraph* magic trick, I'd appreciate it!

  • June 14, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    TheAllSeeingEye, thanks man

    by Womb2dooM

    You're a class act. Seriously.

  • June 14, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    ASE: "The Golden Lagoon" and "Code of a Hero"

    by 1178Hunterbosser

    Two eps I can think of off the top of my head that were "serious thought proving" standouts. One is season 2 of G1 the other is season 2 of Beast Wars. Beast Wars is actually represented more than G1. The protoform concept and Scorponok's "beast mode".

  • June 14, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Womb2dooM

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    first type < <P> then type P <P> then type >

  • June 14, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by Womb2dooM

    Oh Thank God! <P>Just for that - watch Exiled from Hong Kong. <P>Thank me later!

  • June 14, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    what is Eric Roberts, Anthony Michael Hall

    by Phategod2

    doing in the new batman movie?

  • June 14, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = MEMFLIX'S FIRING

    by Err

    it's true.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = BATMAN BEING ABLE TO TURN HIS HEAD

    by Err

    bwah!

  • June 14, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = THE NEXT MICHAEL BAY FILM

    by Err

    NOOOO!

  • June 14, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    allseeingeye

    by moondoggy2u

    Hey, I'm with you, buddy. I also recognize the need to streamline a franchise, so I recognize the need to change certain aspects of TF. Alls I'm saying is that with someone like Bay in charge of this franchise, you can hardly blame me, or anyone like me, if my BS detector goes off. <p>As for who I would want, I'm not sure. I think pretty much any working director could have filmed transformers, especially when you consider how tight a leash Speilberg had on this whole thing. Gore Verbinsky, Stephen Sommers, and ROland Emerich also come to mind. All three of those directors are of higher calibur AND are used to dealing with large, big budget movies.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = SPIELBERG HELPING BAY

    by Err

    Blasphemy!

  • June 14, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Yack that a double post for that ass

    by Phategod2

  • June 14, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Half Vader

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Sorry Half Vader, i totally missed your post in the glut of posts thats been put up since.<br><br>Just to answer your question quickly, in the case of Transformers and Geoff Seniors involvement, i'm sure there was some writer/artist collaboration but only to resolve any potential issues with art/layout. Simon Furman was, for the most part, the man who came up with stories. I only mentioned it that way because Superninja, much to her discredit, came into a comic talkback and proceeded to take a shit on Geoffs work; she claimed it was "too organic", the exact opposite of her problem with movie designs odly enough. As a huge fan of the comic that's something of a sacriledge, totally uncalled for and a perfectly obvious case of hating for hatings sake; she came in simply to bag on it. Justifying her post she then claimed that she didn't think much of Senior as a storyteller, he isn't that's simon furman.<br><br>To answer your question though, It's a matter of perspective. You do have people like Frank Miller who are responsible for their work from start to finish but this scenario is something of a rarity. In most mainstream comics you have writing staff and art staff. The two will collaborate if only to make sure that the story writers don't give them anything too complex or vice versa. While I'm sure story ideas get bandied around in those meetings too, the credits of most comics usually state who the editor is, the writer, the penciler and the inker. You could argue that artists are as much a storyteller as the writer since they visualise the frames on each page but that's open to debate.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Alex Proyas

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    still my pick

  • June 14, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    I want to understand the why it was needed

    by Phategod2

    to remove the Ark and the Nemisis and scrap the Story of the reason how Transfomers made it to earth.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    could you send him after last girlfriend

    by Phategod2

    ;)

  • June 14, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    MY last girlfriend

    by Phategod2

    Damn this thing needs a edit button. Damn it harry how many times do we have to say that.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Moondoggy2u

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    It's funny you mention Spielberg because, for all the rumours surrounding his level of involvement with the project, I'm surprised the man didn't think to himself, "You know, I haven't really been doing too well of late. War of the Worlds was poor. Munich was depressing. Here's a franchise that'll make shit loads of cash, be popular with the kids and give me that summer blockbuster". Yes, he's supposedly working on Indiana Jones 4 but I'm sure he coulda found time to do this movie while Harrison Ford was getting his hip replaced or something.<br><br>That said, if you did have Spielberg directing it wouldn't be cries of "beware Shia LeBeouf" it'd be "Oh god, it's Dakota fucking Fanning...AGAIN".

  • June 14, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Yack...

    by Womb2dooM

    1) The action runs parallel to the story. The story drives the action. Honestly, I didn't think the story was that great but mostly because I wasn't familiar with the characters and plot devices (which, I assume, are straight from the comics/cartoons).<P>2) The actors who need to act, act. The actors who are just there to serve the action/story do just that. Nobody annoyed except one Anthony Anderson a little but he didn't fill up too much screen time.<P>3) The action takes place mostly from the humans point of view so when the bots scuffle, it fills frame and is mostly from up angles. I normally HATE when movies do this but Bay has made it work to astonishing degree. There is a lot of slow motion work here which helps a great deal. Until you see it, you'll have to take my word for it.<P>Characterisation. I'll be honest and say that the humans in this were your standard popcorn cut-outs elevated only by the above-standard actors shaking said cardboard. The script some here have read is probably what is up on screen. The SOLE REASON this movie made me feel like I was 7 years old again was the robots. Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime. Mentor/General. Bumblebee is a bundle of enthusiasm, eager to please his owner/friend in any way he can. Starscream doesn't get a lot of quiet time but his actions speak louder then real tears ever could. Every piece of dialogue that comes out of these bots mouths (Optimus's end monologue is priceless but the highlight for me was the Decepticons forming up, announcing their arrivals) seems likes its been directly lifted from the 80s. It may alienate some the younger uninitiated viewers but will sit at home with the young adults. Having said that, you are correct in your fears that some bots do get minimal exposure and this actually works strongly against one of the climactic events.<P>I realise since I am clearly a plant (honestly, though, would plants get paid THAT much money? Wouldn't they just instruct some secretary to do it or lose his/her job???), this is explanation will almost certainly be frivolous but I genuinely enjoy writing and discussing this movie.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    You know what?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    The more I read these Transformers TBs, the more perplexing they become. Dare I say, they're starting to creep me out...

  • June 14, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Womb2Doom

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    It's nice to appreciated. Even if it is from some fucking plant !!!:D

  • June 14, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    MNG...I'm a creepy kind of person

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    That's probably why I have several restraining orders against me but I swear i walked into the ladies room by accident.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Don't get me going on The Iron Giant

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Flawless movie. Total classic. Total freaking classic. My almost three year old daughter loves it. That kid's got some good taste. We "play" Iron Giant all the time. Damn fine movie and I would have loved to see Brad Bird on Transformers. Sigh, what could have been....

  • June 14, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    TheAllSeeingEye

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Actually, it's refreshing to watch someone else try to argue/reason the other side to the finer points of this film/franchise. I've about run out of gas doing it myself.<P>One thing I'm fairly certain of at this point: Transformers will be much more entertaining and satisfying to the masses than Spidey 3 and POTC3. (I, for one, am glad I didn't fall for those two pieces of cinematic tripe.)

  • June 14, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    womb2doom

    by moondoggy2u

    Hey--thanks for taking the time to answer the questions. A LOT of jerks here are quick to cry "plant!" so please, don't take it too personally;) <p>Do you think that your joy over the bots is BECAUSE you're not too familiar with the previous properties or DESPITE your unfamiliarity? I'm only familiar with the 80s cartoons, which I loved due to the concept and because of Optimus Prime. I'm willing to give this film a chance despite my dislike for Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, and both Bad Boy films--do you think I'll still love this movie? (crosses fingers and prays). <p>Finally, how much of Optimus Prime is in this movie? Is he all over the place, or is he secondary to Bumblebee? And if he is secondary, is he still in this thing a lot? <p>Again, thanks for the responses, womb--you've been a big help to us.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Yack & BSB

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I don't own a single Bay film. No worries. <P> I couldn't be more fortunate. I am a stay at home father and my kid gives me purpose. She loves her Scary Godmother and Michel Gagne books (that I read to her) and our days are brilliant. The zoo is a bi monthly venture. And the parks. I run the hell out of her. <P> Her mainstay film favorites are My Neighbor Totoro, The Iron Giant, The Nightmare Before Christmas, Kiki's Delivery Service and Wallace and Gromit (all of them). Too young to fully "appreciate them" but she loves them nonetheless. <P>Again, I take nothing for granted and I am very fortunate. Hopefully she'll turn out all right.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    YackBacker...

    by Womb2dooM

    If I lied about the movie, I lied about my location. Ponder that.<P>Regarding if I've actually seen the movie; would you like me to take a photo of the huge fuckin grin on my face that I've been wearing since Tuesday night? Or maybe just the "Admit One pass" I have hanging from my work desk lamp?

  • June 14, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I cannot believe you haven't seen nor do you own The Third Man. Brilliant film. Get on it! Criterion just double dipped it.

  • June 14, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    MAD MAX = Plant Prime Minister of Australia

    by Womb2dooM

    You notice how those movies don't have any plants in them...???

  • June 14, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Yack - nobody tells me what to do with my cock!

    by Womb2dooM

    Now, I'll hug ya but Mr. Winky stays out!

  • June 14, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    all this talk of Mad Max

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    The Road Warrior is quite possible my most favorite film of all time. If there is such a thing. Come to think of it, I can't think of another film that I enjoy more. I'm sure I'll come up with one later. I do like Key Largo an awful lot....

  • June 14, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Actually, I've been rather down on the theater going experience these days. The last three films I saw in the theater were ZODIAC, CHILDREN OF MEN, and 300. (I found 300 better than I thought it was going to be but it was completely overrated. ZODIAC and CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN were both superb. And I agree with all those who say COM was robbed of a certain type of recognition.)<P>I've pretty much had no interest in this summer's releases. I'm not big on sequels and everything else looks really tired. If it weren't for Netflix these past few months, I'd be cinematically dead in the water.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Iron Giant was Vin deasel's Best performance

    by Phategod2

    One more small question Womb2Doom DO the Decepticons speak english from the start, or some type of subtitled goobledygoop?

  • June 14, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    moondoggy2u

    by Womb2dooM

    There's actually not nearly as many jerks as I was expecting. Its mostly civil (save for that one guy I told to fuck his father up the arse for some shitty grandchildren. Too far? Yes. Yes, it was. But I was very hungry which makes all aggression cool. You here that, wife beaters. Only on an empty stomach!).<P>I believe my enjoyment probably boils down to DESPITE. As I've said, I'm not a loyal TF follower (I haven't seen anything on it since I was a tyke) and a great deal of the jargon lost me as it will some of the mainstream public.<P>I think Brad Bird would have made a better TF movie but I'm sure I personally would have had a lot more fun with the one I got.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    There is no movie greater than..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Lawrence of Arabia. Not only is it perhaps the greatest epic movie ever made, it also boasts the greatest performance of any actor. It's quite possibly the only reason to own a Blu-Ray movie player, (see how i slipped that little controversial nugget in there), and is regularly watched when I have a hangover. Fuck knows why but I like to watch that movie when my head is thumping from the beer.<BR><BR>And if we're recommending films, for people who aren't averse to reading subtitles, (i say that only to insult the stupid, not the dyslexic), then I'd suggest you watch a movie called Tatie Danielle. It's in French, (yes I'm not keen on them either), but it's very entertaining, very funny and very dark in the humor department.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    OPTIMUS is HOT!

    by smeagol2

    I have a little robot crush!!!!

  • June 14, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Well, I blew that post. Sorry.

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Children of Men and Zodiac are so good. So very, very good. The French Connection is some of the best crack I've ever sampled. Didn't Ed O'Neill play Popeye Doyle or something? Anyone see that? Yack? <P>Again guys, sorry for the bloated, bolded post. <P>BSB just buy the damn movie. You won't be disappointed.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by Womb2dooM

    Decepticons (cept Megatron which is kinda explained) speak alien which comes up as alien subtitles and then quickly translates back to English.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Yack..Yes..he did kill himself..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    The opening of the movie is indeed a dramatic recreation of the motorcycle crash that killed T.E.Lawrence. I think it was the first movie ever to use the same scene as prologue and epilogue.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST

    if only to support my countryman

    by bozocat

    Womb2Doom is not a plant; I was at the Sydney screening too and his assessment is pretty fair. I was dreading the film actually but it's a real surprise, a knock-out and both fan boys and exhibitors at the screening loved it. Script is cheesy but funnier than Bay's usual work, the effects are generally astounding. It will get repeat viewings and great word of mouth so stop your bitching.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Yes BSB, Graham Norton is indeed a funny gay

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Oh you said guy...right...<br><br>I dunno where they would show it in America, but if you like Graham Norton, (in a non-sexual manner of course), then I suggest you look for a show called Father Ted which is nothing more than a laugh at the Catholic church when all is said and done but hilarious none the less.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Lawrence of Arabia is the shiz-nite

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    as punk as kids say. My old man's favorite. Thinking of other fine films, I quite like High & Low, Ikiru, The Treasure of Sierra Madre, North by Northwest, Rebecca, In the Mood for Love & Croupier. I have watched those films far too many times but dammit if I don't love them all. <P> Guilty pleasures for when I am sick and/or hungover. Gosford Park, Father Goose & Hombre. Dunno why, just because.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay can't even speak english

    by BRUTICUS

    the guy stutters and has the vocabulary of a 5 year old

  • June 14, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    drinking

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Old Pulteney, 12 year, single malt. Damn, we so need an edit function. I am an asshole and my Third Man post proves such. Sorry guys. Really, I am.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    On Lawrence of Arabia...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I would like to point out that it was an absolute fucking travesty that Peter O'Toole lost his oscar to Gregory Peck for his role in "To Kill a Mockingbird". Peck, while good, was no Peter O'Toole and if you ever needed proof that the oscars have been rigged from day fucking one, there you have it. Good day.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Does anyone watch "On The Lot"

    by Phategod2

    did you see the one short one guy did where he ripped off Tony Scott. Or the other guy who basically made a music video.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    The oscars suck

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    and so did To Kill a Mockingbird. I never liked that flick.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Why can't we delete or edit posts?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    For fuck's sake, it's 2007 already. I still love this site.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    I'm kinda worried now

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Since i think i might have an Omar Sharif complex. I've just realised that I also enjoy Doctor Zhivago when I'm feeling shit. Dunno why. But its the Omar Sharif thing that's getting to me. Oh my god, I'll never be able to eat a "Turkish Delight" without feeling sick again; even though he's Egyptian.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Gallipoli

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    That's one from my youth that I still watch on a "regular basis"..

  • June 14, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    No but I saw Alien Nation

    by Phategod2

    is it the same thing?

  • June 14, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Lawrence of Arabia

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Great movie about a fascinating man. I became obsessed with all things T.E. Lawrence for awhile. The man was definitely an odd bird.<P>As for "killing himself", I don't believe that was the case. Lawrence fell in love with motorcycles and as a result, he loved going really fast on them. One day while riding, he swerved and crashed trying to avoid two errand boys that were crossing the road.<P>If you feel like reading an incredibly verbose and difficult book, try giving his personal account "Seven Pillars of Wisdom" a shot. It recounts his experience in the Arab Revolt while also serving as his more personal memoir. In fact, it provides some interesting insight into the situation the world finds itself in with regards to the Middle East.<P>"You will cross Sinai?"<P>"Moses did!"

  • June 14, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Whats truly outrageous about LoA and the Oscars

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Is that it took every other oscar on the cards with the notable exception of the acting awards which is fucking disgraceful. I think they should actually give them oscars to make up for that fiasco. I'm off to start a petition.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    I dont mean Killed himself as in suicide...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I mean, he killed himself in an accident that was his own fault for going fast. I'm from Northern England MNG, we don't differentiate between suicide and accidents where it's your own fault.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    MNG

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Thanks for the advice on "Seven Pillars of Wisdom". I shall go to waterstones tommorow and purchase that book and since I'm feeling rather daring, I'll get the hardback version too.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Remember Rambo 6 on the movie marquee

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    at the beginning of the flick (Alien Nation)? C'mon Sly, two more to go to make that a reality. Mandy Potemkin. A pimp indeed.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    TheAllSeeingEye

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Damn. If you can actually find a hardcover version, I will be shocked and you will have payed a goddamn fortune! Like I said though, it is verbose.<P>Ha! Thanks for the clarification on the Northern England view of "killing oneself". How far North are you? Lake District? Berwick?

  • June 14, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    I have the hardcover of Seven Pillars.

    by moondoggy2u

    Yes, its a bit wordy, but its truly one of the most poetic reads I've ever had. Truly the mind of a warrior.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Not Quite Berwick...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I'm in between Durham and Newcastle, more towards Newcastle. Which is a nice city now, not a total shithole like some people will tell you. It's a far cry from how it looked when they did Get Carter.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Let me get This straight...

    by Alpha Trion

    Some of you feel they should have turned a story for kids that was about machines turning into living, fighting robots into an intelligent film? why. my kid almost got bored with both pirates 3 and spiderman 3 which emphasizes the fact that there are kids movies and there are adult movies. why would we want both in one movie? where is the line drawn? it doesnt matter because if this talkback is any reflection as to the popularity of this movie before it even comes out, im sure there will be more. and the haters will never hear the end of it. until all are one?

  • June 14, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Just checked waterstones.com

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Theres a hardback for £35 but the real deal will set me back £540 :O Looks like I'll be getting the paperback after all; I'll spend the money I save on a coffee and lunch and maybe some new cufflinks.

  • June 14, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    hmmm, my questions to woomb doom

    by moondoggy2u

    were unanswered. I wonder why?

  • June 14, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Hey Allseeing, fair enough about Superninja

    by half vader

    I did understand what you were getting at there and I see your point about the organic/can't have it both ways thing, BUT... <p> I'm feeling a little bit like you're trying to taunt me into another rant! 'Cause if you're even slightly serious about your generalisations about comic artists... Hey maybe it does apply to the Transformers comics and the guy is a mindless drone but great draftsman. <p> To say however than artists don't really contribute to the narrative in a big way and that writer/artists are the exception is for the most part exactly like saying that directors who don't write their own scripts are only framing nicely what the writer did in the first place. That's one bit where comics and films ARE the same. You're also rolling the eyes of every board artist who ever got a cop-out script that says "the robots fight" (and I have!) or "they have a chase" and then flip the page to see the next scene begin (this is the norm). I'd better stop because I'm starting to fly off the handle but suffice to say those comments were outrageously naive and my God are you reading the wrong comics. That eye seem