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No SOPRANOS Sequel Feature, Says David Chase!!
I am – Hercules!!
I loved the “Sopranos” finale, but if a “Sopranos” feature, set after the finale, emerges, I’m going to stop liking that finale right fast.
Apparently series mastermind David Chase gets this, and says no sequel movie will be forthcoming.
Chase tells the Newark Star-Ledger that he contemplated building a feature around " a day in 2006 that you didn't see, but then (Tony's children) would be older than they were then and you would know that Tony doesn't get killed. It's got problems."
Chase also says his crew was shocked when they learned which song he intended to end the series on.
Read all of the Associated Press’ story on the matter here.
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but how would you know Tony doesn't get killed if it's set in the past?
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Pretentious douche bag who coped out instead of giving the fans what they deserved. Save the speech that it was artistic, no it was shit. Fuck him.
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Geez...how long did it take her to park her car? I'm glad he's not gonna do a movie. But you never know what could happen.
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— regurgitating day-old news..
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I hope he doesn't get the chance to screw things up again.
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Where's the final movies for Deadwood we were promised??? Huh? Huh?
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He means that, were it set in the past, you would know Tony couldn't possibly die in the movie, and thus, lower stakes.
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makes sense
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.. an attempt to keep the discourse rolling on the finale. Hey, I still wanna talk about it too, but you're really just using old news to start a new talkback for it
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just to be clear....
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A movie was never promised in the first place.
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If anything, it's a fascinating commentary on the unreliability of human recall.. either that, or just a few assholes who are completely full of shit.
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im guessing since there talking about making a prequel to f4 2.
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Jun 13, 2007 1:20:57 AM CDT
so chase just said we shouldnt know if he dies or not?
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
fuck him in the ass. now i really fuckin hate the ending. FUCK YOU.
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what difference did that make?
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.....was the same version every mutherlovin one else saw.
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and Tony gets claws so he can gut AJ
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Wouldn't an adult oriented (fantastical) comic series starring the characters of Tony Soprano & Andy Sipowiz somehow meeting and shooting off into some kind of Garth Ennis/Mike Carey adventure be way fuckin cool? Think of it; the italian mobster and the Polish Detective at first meet during some crisis, hate each other, but begrudgingly see the other's value for the task at hand, and away we go (much like ant other DC/Marvel/Vertigo/Image crossover, yet handled in an adult approach). What the fuck am I doing here?
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for ending the show that way, it was brilliant and incredibly frustrating. I don't think it was just a lazy cheat or too pretentious, I get what he was doing by ending that way with no resolution and I do see the beauty of it. However it also royally pissed me off and seemed written to confound the audience and leave them twisting in a kind of agony. It left unsettled so many issues that I wanted to see dealt with, and I don't just mean the Russian in the woods. When Chase led the audience to think that Carmela would try to find out what happened to Adriana, then that created an expectation that Carmela would eventually have some kind of realization who Tony is, or perhaps Meadow would. They aren't clueless idiots, they're relatively smart women, and so many people around them have died/disappeared mysteriously. Instead Carmela is further in denial than she was at the start of the series, and Meadow has become just like her, totally rationalizing away the mafia and soon to be marrying a guy connected to it. The finale ends with the Soprano family just as they were when the show began, living with the sword of damocles (FBI arrests, mob hits) still hanging above their heads. Tony has become what he hated (his mother Livia) by killing his figurative son, Christopher. Strangely he has set AJ up in the movie business that Christopher wanted to be part of. I see the elegance of the characters coming full circle. So the show ends as it began, with the audience wondering what will happen in the next episode. Except the next episode will never come, and that is what sucks most of all. What we want from the Sopranos is that they "don't stop", and they did. Since they did, it would have been far more satisfying for them to have wrapped up more of the plot threads. But Chase had something completely different in mind, a circular story arc which would defy resolution, and that is why I respect and hate the guy.
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Nicely put. Having said that, I'm gonna just have to go with the hate part.
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That's all I got.
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alot
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Turning "The Godfather/Analyze This" into a weekly TV series ain't exactly a work of genius. It's hack work. So, fuck that hack, David Chase, and the HBO he rode in on.
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Chase has always fucked with our expectations, what the hell did people expect? A big shoot out finale? Every plot line neatly wrapped up? Never gonna happen. People seem to forget that the Sopranos wasn't a program about the mob, it was a family drama, that just happened to have mobster as the father. The ending was a "what the fuck" shock intialy, but once you let it sink in, then watch the episode again it makes perfect sense. The Sopranos is the greatest program ever made.
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The cowbell guy hates the ending. Well I hope you're happy Chase.
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was on imdb. "SPOILER ALERT: Rocker Steve Perry refused to let The Sopranos creator David Chase use his classic song "Don't Stop Believin'" in the mob show's final scene until he knew the fate of the drama's leading characters. The ex-Journey frontman kept Chase waiting until three days before the long-awaited finale aired in America on Sunday. Perry is a huge Sopranos fan and feared his 1981 rock anthem would be remembered as the soundtrack to the death of James Gandolfini's character Tony Soprano - until Chase assured him that wouldn't be the case. Perry says, "The request came in a few weeks ago and it wasn't until Thursday that it got approval, because I was concerned. I was not excited about (the possibility of) the Soprano family being whacked to 'Don't Stop Believin''. Unless I know what happens - and I will swear to secrecy - I can't in good conscience feel good about its use." And Perry was so true to his word, he didn't even tell his family the song featured in the finale. He adds, "I didn't want to blow it. Even my wife didn't know. She looked at me and said, 'You knew that and you didn't tell me?'"
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about the ending(what else? lol) Chase declined to discuss the final scene, saying, "I have no interest in explaining, defending, reinterpreting, or adding to what is there." FAG FAG SHITTY SHITTY FAG FAG
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i hope someone sets his cock on fire.
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something like this wouldve been better than a black screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfWP_ZMZ5PU
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summarised thus. The fans dont like it when their wrong. You all predicted the outcome. Chase did as my brother said the other night" a big fuck you". You all wanted to say aha so thats how it ended Chase being the writer and the creator, thought I am not going to play that game. Chase liked keeping people in the dark especially the network and the cast. Even when they knew what the story was going to be episode to episode, chase gave firm instructions to cast not to reveal anything.
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David Chase never said there won't be a movie. Read the article again Herc, also....that said, to all those conspiracy theorists out there grasping onto all the "death theories" .....yeah, Chase saying he wouldn't object to a movie if the right story came along, that shits all over you guys, so boo hoo they live
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Simple fact, you cant do a film that has the kind of complicated structure that they use on the show. Why? because audiences are dumb, they need closure, no loose ends. If its not explained to them in intricate detail they flag and get bored. Hollywood bosses know this so they keep it simple. For example the first Harry potter was renamed in the U.S. because the studio was concerned film audiences wouldn't know what a philosopher was. need i go on. Oh and by the way The Sopranos is the best show to come out of the U.S. in A LONG TIME. Most people dont like the end for that very reason. its the end. No more, finished. A brilliant show done. It had to be done before it went stale and got shit. Need an example, look at seasons 13 to 17 of the simpsons. The thing is, how did you think they were gonna finish it? Tony becoming a nun? Brilliant show, executed (no pun intended)with style, finished when it needed to. Excellent.
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"I never say never. An idea could pop into my head where I would go.."
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If you do anything creative these days that could be left open to interpretation or requires any thought, SOMEONE will ALWAYS throw out claims of it being "pretentious". I'm not here to argue artistic merit and I understand some people feeling agrivated with the open ending, but I don't see a different ending being more satisfying. I'd rather have an open for interpretation ending of questionable satisfaction than closure with questionable satisfaction. If you re-wrote the last episode, what could have happened? We could have gotten a Sopranos family portrait type "happy ending", or we could have seen Tony blown away by someone who works for Phil. Re-write the last season and maybe we could have seen Tony go to prison or get shot by police or get betrayed by someone close to him as in, killed by a family member (blood relative or mafia). I don't see any of those endings being all that great. I've wanted, no EXPECTED, to see Tony go down for so long, imagining week in and week out what it would be like, that I don't think any conclusion could have been all that creative or shocking. "Don't stop"- *BLACK*, I don't think any viewer imagined it that way. It is amusing to see (not just here, but all over the internet)dumbasses coming out with some cliche "Tony gets whacked" ending and arguing that their version is how it should have ended. That would have been stupid and overall made the whole series less memorable. Like it or not, what we got instead was a complete suprise, controversial ending, that will be remembered, contemplated, discussed and argued over for a long long time.
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Didn't even see it and haven't seen an episode in years, but it sounds like the perfect ending to me. All the haters can just go stand in the corner and pout. Ending it with a Journey song is even better. Journey are one of the greatest, most successful, and most loved, AND most hated (for unknown reason) bands to ever grace rock and roll. They kick ass, and the their haters can go stand in the corner, pout, and chew on cyanide tablets.
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But I do think it's funny. This is probably what Chase wanted with that ending. He wanted you all pissed and questioning. Why? So the show wouldn't fade away and you all would keep going on about it. You might be bitching about it but the point is you are still bitching.
"Always leave them wanting more." -
...if it was all just a set-up then everything that makes the ending fantastic would be destroyed and then Sopranos fans would have a real reason to be angry at Chase.
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We can all argue that Chase likes to mess with his audience and does this sort of thing all the time but that doesn't make it good or right. He has a responsibility to his audience, an audience that pays $10 a month to watch his show, to tell a good story beginning to end. His ending was a huge cop out and more than likely was there because he couldn't figure out a way to come up with some resolution. I'm fine with the black screen as long as there something before it to suggest what might happen next but the only thing I knew was coming was that Tony was going to eat some onion rings.
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It was a disgraceful and cowardly ending. We were all raped by Zombie Vito Sunday night, and Chase tries to defend that garbage as an "Artistic Choice", and tell all the fans of the series who dared question his cowardice that they have no right to protest it. Screw him. He didn't have the guts to shoot an ending. Period. He sat there and said "Boy, now THIS will piss people off!" Screw him.
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Chase is no fool. He left the ambiguous ending open to the viewer to decide Tony's fate. Did he get whacked and it was lights out? Did he continue with his life and that's all we'll ever see of him again? He left it up to the viewer's imagination to decide Tony's fate..
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If they all looked at each other, farted rainbows, and turned into CGI penguins singing along with Journey, we'd still be talking about it. Shitty endings live on just as long as the great ones.
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That's all.
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It's not that they were afraid audiences wouldn't know what a philosopher was, you dumb fucking nitwit. It's that in America the word Philosopher is not associated with sorcery/magic; it strictly means thinker/theorizer/intellectual, a-la Aristotle, Wittgenstein, etc. It's not a question of collective intelligence/stupidity. It's a question of usage, and the fact that American English is different than British English. Like, if the United States we had a movie called God Hates Fags, everyone in the UK would think it was an anti-smoking film. So shut the fuck up with your "Americans are stupid" line of thinking. It makes you look like a complete douchetwit.
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I think Chase is saying that in his opinion it wouldn't work dramatically for an audience because we already know Tony Survives and who's going to die and who's not if you do a flashback film which is set in 2006.
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The "Kolchak: The Night Stalker" episode titled "The Spanish Moss Murders." Richard Kiel as a giant swamp-covered boogeyman, living in Chicago's sewers, literally dreamed up by a Cajun undergoing a sleep experiment. Nothing on the Sopranos could touch that episode, dammit!
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As long as there is money to be made, trust me. There will be a movie. Oh, and the ending was COOL AS BALLS!
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"I think Butch was an intelligent guy, he began to see that there was no need for it, that Phil's feelings were all caught up in what was esentially a convoluted personal grudge."
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because Chase called their bluff.
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to use the word raped when they feel that a filmmaker or tv producer has done something to a film or character that has been changed. Rape is an illegal act and has nothing to do with a writers decision to change something. that is his creation. Please stop using the word rape as george lucas raped my childhood. He didnt and if he did he would be in prison.
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Its a joke going back to Star Wars TPM
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(and where did the fresh sheets in the safehouse come from?!?!?)
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prequel or "lost day in 2006..." Would be a horrible idea, and just stir-up more drama and unnecessary controversy as did the series finalé...
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The guy in the members only jacket was on WIP a sports station in Philadelphia and he mentioned that they filmed another scene after the final shot, but he was sworn to secrecy as to what was filmed...
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I'm just asking.
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I think this settles it--
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That is David and Vinnie :P. Seriously the ending was the best ever!
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I am not a woman.
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All these penis-munchers that keep saying "Trust me... there will be a movie" need to wake up and remove their faces from the steaming pile of their own excrement. There is nothing more to be said, most of the cast are dead, or dying, and neither of the two most important people, David Chase and James G, have any interest in revisiting The Sopranos. It's gone, stop talking through your holes. I think the (perfect) ending has revealed one thing about the audience. It is divided into people who "got it", and people who just wanted to see people being whacked every week. Enough of those arseholes surfaced during the first part of season 6. "OMFG teh Sopranos sucked after Season 2, your idiot if you cant see that. ROFL LMAO. teh ending was lame. Tony shood be dead". Morons. As for the rest of us, we have 6 fantastic seasons of exemplary television to enjoy again on dvd. Thanks David Chase, you're a legend.
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The ending that was broadcast and a secretive ending. Which may turn up on the The Sopranos Season six dvd part 2 or not.
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If you think Chase owes you ten bucks, contact legal council. Me me me, mine mine mine. This guy owes me, that guy owes me. This is truly the Golden Age of Entitlement.
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Couldn't agree more. Now, any chance of that 20 you owe me?
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But you're only one day late posting this story, so maybe someone's making an effort now.
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1.) Show isn't about the mafia, it's about the Sopranos. It's as much about the mafia as Married with Children was about the retail shoe business.
2.) It doesn't matter who died or who didn't die or whatever in the last episode, because for the viewer, they're all dead now. They put Jerry, George, Elaine, and Kramer in a jail cell and pulled the plug because, at that point, what did it matter? It's the end of your ability to see what's going to happen to these people, and that's it.
3.) There was never a moment of the Sopranos where I saw something that I viewed as Chase caving in to the desires of the fans, if that makes him pompous and conceited, then that's fine with me. Give me something I don't expect, don't give me the same shit that people have been rehashing online for 8 years about what they "think" should happen.
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Mr. Chase, Paramount on line 2, New Line on line 3. Let the bidding begin, No does not ever mean no in hollywood in fact no often means yes but with a caviot. Don't really care to see a film unless Coppola or Scorsese directs it, but there will be a Sopranos movie.
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So you're pissed because what you really wanted was the contrived, predictable, cliche ending where Tony gets whacked, huh? So you could all rush to the message boards and proclaim how you "called it"? It's sad that the constant stream of unoriginal diarrhea in TV and movies has brainwashed you into wanting the by-the-book denoument that surprises no one. Then you piss and moan when you don't get it. Stick to your comic book movies you ignorant fucks, because (NON-SPOILER) the superhero always wins, and your predictions will always be correct. Me, I'll savor the sublime 86 episodes of teh The Sopranos for the rest of my days. FUCK YOU.
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First, the ending was fucking brilliant, but I say that as a casual viewer of this show, not a die hard fan.
Second, I'm curious, what is the ending people wanted to see that they didn't get?
Third, I hope to fuck the ending of Lost is not this ambigous.
Having said that, I think it works perfectly for this show.
Anyone on here familiar with Roland Barthes 'The Death Of The Author'?
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There was NO ending. Chase didn't have the balls to make a definitive statement...in any meaningful way. If they all lived, fine, if they all got whacked, fine, if they moved in next door to Henry Hill...FINE. But have the BALLS to put a period on the sentence. You can't do what Chase did in that final scene and just cut to black. That's cowardice. Pure and simple.
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that video is class, how do you download a copy?
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Read what Liberty Valance said two posts above. He was talking about people like you. How the fuck is it cowardice to have an ending that you just know is going to upset all the whining little bitches, because they have to engage their brains for once? You're a moron. Pure and simple.
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This is another annoying trend I see. People like to label things as 'cowardly'. I see it here, I see it all over. Certain styles of playing an MMORPG for instance are 'cowardly'. As if you're brave for the way you play your Orc. I honestly think people don't know what it means anymore, they just heard the word somewhere. In your case, respectfully, I think you're dead wrong. I think Tony getting shot, Tony getting arrested, whatever, all those are things that would be easy to do. Easy to predict, easy to write, easy to digest, and most importantly easy to *forget*. But this ending has made you think, and it sticks with you, if only because it pisses you off that much. I think it was, if we're going to throw the terms around, the brave way to end it. Without a billboard advertising what happened and the 'moral' of the story.
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Spock has the answer.
--"if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." (IV, “Undiscovered Country,” right? Sorry, pro-“Star Wars” fan here).
Impossible = 1) that we can say definitively that we saw The Sopranos family got shot; 2) that Chase is saying “never” to a good “The Sopranos” idea and would do if investment is there, etc.; 3) that the Member’s Only jacket’d “assassin” needed to have a gun stored in the restroom – uh, Mike C. didn’t exactly have the means to hide a strong handgun on his person that could’ve been accessed with ease; you think of all people Clemenza wouldn’t have known a trick on how to do a hidden that cannot be located by police, Capt. or otherwise? . . . The truth/whatever remains however improbably (however anyone wants it to be improbably) = 1) based on the virtue of how we know of The Sopranos, which is basically the presentation of the series (unless I missed “A ‘The Sopranos’ novel” or comic book “The Sopranos” one shot or mini-series), we can say, well, last we saw of those four Sopranos they were OK, indeed, at a very nice point in their lives, with the exception of, maybe, Tony. No access to any newspapers from The Sopranos universe to read of any shooting incident of a Soprano. No 100% convince that Tony gets arrested after the fade-to-black. Ad nauseum. Last we saw of the Sopranos, they were A-OK. 2) additional “The Further Adventures of ‘The Sopranos’” (whether those adventures occur before, during, or after the series that we know) are possible according to the guy who gets to run “The Sopranos” (at least right now), David Chase.
Thanks, Spock.
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Description is pretty funny. Oh, and WX1: That's a Sherlock Holmes quote, Spock is quoting him.
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Thanks for the clarification. Me did not realize.
Both brothas doing their rendit' on Accam's Razor, though, yeah (not being a wiseguy here, just trying to get more clarifications, "amens" as needed). -
Credits 0. Please play again.
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The thought that he'd been shot wasn't prominent in my mind at the credits because-- and I could be misremembering a la 'alternate scene' silliness-- the 'members only' guy never emerges from the bathroom before the cut to black. I think the bathroom door was slightly in frame and it didn't open. There was nobody behind him in frame. Now, if the cut to black was intended to signify the *exact* moment he bit it, how is it the 'members only' guy killed him?
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A huge bloodbath. They didnt get it. They are pissed.
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Watching a clip I see the bathroom was out of frame. O wells.
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Trying to put structure in an ambiguous ending. Watching it again it really, truly defies resolution. David Chase is a bastard and I love it. For better or worse I can feel this is going to stick with me forever.
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The big problem is there WAS NO ENDING. And lackwits like Liberty V and the rest of the David Chase suckups don't realize that people did not need something to be spoon-fed to them.
Viewers just wanted the sentence to end with a period. Like sentences are supposed to.
That whole 'Lady and the Tiger' stuff was pretentious and silly back in high school when we had to read that dumb story. And it's just as idiotic today.
Life goes on. Or it stops suddenly. We get it.
Just tell us does Tony have to live with the knowledge that people are actively trying to put his lights out or bring him to justice? Or does the train derail right there in the restaurant?
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Sorry. Deal with it.
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I understand the need for resolution. But for me this was in its way a complete resolution. The end tells me, "Life is not resolved." That sentence to me ends with a period.
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when you think something big is about to happen...it doesn't....then out of the blue when you least expect it tony kills the second main characters...no build up no fanfare.... just boom, right out of the blue. even when dr melfi kicked him out for good they underpayed it....most other shows would have gone for the "big" moment..the melodrama...tony going crazy...somekind of payoff but not this show...she shuts the door and is gone from the show....much like real life where not every thing is a big climatic moment. i know a lot of people need complete closure and answers but this show has never been obvious....for me the ending was perfect. you can take it several ways but i took it mean that even though he may have "won" the war he was in he really hadn't won anything. he is always going to be under the constant threat of being whacked or arrested....his kids have, in a roundabout way, become part of this thing of theirs and he will always live in constant paranoia and self loathing. either that or the members only jacket guy whacked him ;)
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This past season showed that Chase's creativity was running on fumes; Plot points were abandoned, characters undeveloped, slow-ass episodes where nothing happens. If the record showed otherwise I could possibly buy the artsy ending, but he's obviously been coasting on the show's previous rep and took the HBO money and ran.
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I suppose if you started hating the show months or years ago there's no reason to stop now.
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tony finds phil and has him point blank with a gun to his temple.....his phone rings...its carmela...meadow it turns out is pregnant and had been keeping it a secret.....and she is giving birth RIGHT NOW! tony is flushed....phil looks "meadow? what is it" tony "my girl...shes....(starts to laugh) shes having a baby..I'M GONNA BE A GRANDPA!!! HOLY SHIT i gotta get to the hospital" phil gets up...tony lowers his gun Phil "this thing between us ..it can wait family is more important than business...let me drive" phil and tony get into the car and have speed through town to get to the hospital..we cut between this and shots of the family at the hospital with meadow have contractions.....as phil and tony drive they start to realise that this whole war thing is silly and that they still love one another...they get to the hospital and they get there just in time...a doctor announces "its a boy" tony grabs carm "im a granddad!" and smiles...he and phil hug each other and they all enter meadows room and have photos taken....journey plays over the soundtrack...aj is there...paulie...the wheel silvs bed in..he is awake and on the mend!!the whole gang is there. then janice enters the room...pushing junior in his wheelchair..everyone goes silent...tony looks over...he smiles...."come here you" he takes the chair from janice and wheels him over to the baby...junior cries..everyone is talking and laughing and carm pulls tony to one side away from everyone and says "its a good thing you love babies so much"
tony is puzzled "wha?" "i'm pregnant!"tony is straled but happy...he hugs her and picks her up "what do you say to the quiet life from now on?" ..he wlaksover to the window and outside he sees the ghostly images of christopher, adriana, big pussy, joey pants, steve buscemi...they all smile and wave its as if they have all forgiven him...he smiles and shakes his head....then he truns to the ward door an a guy in a members only jacket walks in...tony kind of frowns sort of maybe or maybe we see meadow i am not quite sure but we smash cut to black roll credits...and that is how you end it.... -
After the credits the hospital EXPLODES!
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Here is an ending for all you idiots out there who can't understand or appreciate anything unless it is tied up in a pretty bow:
- We come to discover that all along Tony is actually a woman, and that he is engaged in a relationship with agent Harris (that's how tony got him to give up the location of phil - Tony is really good at "whacking" guys off). After Phil is killed, Carmella discovers Tony's torn love affair with agent Harris. Together, she and Gloria Trillo (obviously her ghost) devise a plan to kill Tony by feeding him poisoned capicola (gabagool). Just as tony is about to take a bite at the wrap party for AJ's first appearance as an extra in the porno version of "Cleaver", we cut to a black screen - Tony wakes up in his bed, and we discover that the whole series was a dream. Tony is actually the coyote from the road runner cartoon. Then an Acme safe falls on his head.
The End (by the way, this whole sequence is synched to "867-5309" by Tommy Tutone. -
I said my bit. Have fun calling each other idiots!
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Absolutely perfect! Don't whine so much that it didn't wind up nice and neat...the action continued on right past the cut, which is the same little trick that Michael Mann uses at the end of everything he does...a jumpcut out of the action to the credits to suggest continuation. Brilliant!
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Jump back in time to the 50's, with young Uncle Junior and Tony's dad running the mob.
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Let's see, in just the last few episodes...Tony vs. Phil conflict - RESOLVED. Tony's beef with Junior - RESOLVED. AJ's depression - RESOLVED. Meadow's future - RESOLVED. Chrissy's drug addiction - RESOLVED. Tony/Carmela's marriage - RESOLVED. Tony's therapy - RESOLVED. Tony's insecurities about Paulie - RESOLVED. Yes there were a few loose ends (Silvio, Carlo), but it's probably safe to assume Sil is a vegetable from here on (as stated in the penultimate episode) and Carlo flipping is a tale we'd already seen several times. The only thing we didn't learn was Tony's ultimate fate, so by the judgment of addlepated twits like avalos, the ending sucked. Well, we never found out if the Joads worked their way out of poverty at the and of The Grapes of Wrath, did we? I guess that makes Steinbeck a lazy writer too. Same goes for that bullshit ending to Gone With the Wind, right? Just pure laziness that Margaret Mitchell didn't put a "period" at the end of her tale for the sake of her bonehead mass audience. Thanks avalos, I never realized how lazy all these Pulitzer prize-winning novelists were.
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Any other single ending would have been, in the long run, less satisfying. Knowing for sure that Tony is alive, dead, in jail, boss of New York, in witness protection, killed by AJ, killed by terrorists, died on the toilet after eating too many onion rings, killed by Carmela after being caught with the hot las vegas chick, finally awake after being in a coma and dreaming the entire season, killed by Paulie, killed by Russian guy in the woods, etc. would not be interesting because we've all sat around for at least a couple of years and come up with every single possible scenario.
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If you look at the huge amount of money HBO had to fork out ($US 50 million) for just the actors salaries on the last 9 episodes, they'd have to do the same for a movie and then the film's budget would be 50 or 60 mill, so at this point a film would be financially unviable to HBO.
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Every comment I read, from both the "Fuck You, Chase!" camp as well as the "Chase is a Genius!" camp makes this ending stronger - keep it up!!
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Yes, they cut to black amidst suspense.
Damn near 10-15 seconds of black.
Most people thought their cable went out or Tivo took a crap.
Then the credits rolled.
I wonder how many people changed the channel back and forth
to test the tv signal only
to come back to HBO and see credits, thinking...did I miss it?
Tony didn't get killed.
He got arrested.
Those suspicious guys were feds.
They finally had the goods to make good on an open &
shut arrest/conviction.
They didn't put that visit with the lawyer in there for
nothing.
Before A.J. walked in, Tony was telling his wife that Carlo
was testifying against him.
This was the end of Tony's life as a free man. His last supper…of onion rings.
Hell, they probably shot the arrest but decided in an
after-thought that it was stale...or maybe tragic to watch him get arrested in
front of his family...or just redundant.
Meadow even said earlier in this episode how harsh it was
for her to watch her dad get dragged away by the feds. So the ending was that
she saw her dad get dragged away, yet again...for the last time.
P.S. The guy saying "OH SHIT!" during the head-pop
scene was fucking hilarious. Best Oh-shit I've ever seen.
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"Any Way You Want It" and the family was supposed to dance ala CADDYSHACK. The camera could have panned back and faded to black. Better ending.
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why are people who need closure dumb? is that peoples way of defending the finale?
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It prompted more of an emotional reaction than anything else I've ever seen on tv. All that tension built up and then BOOM. Nothingness. He simultaneously made us feel the sheer paranoia that Tony feels EVERY DAY, and what it must be like to get whacked - you're all wrapped up in something and then nothingness. I was furious at first, but the more time I spend chewing on it, the more I appreciate it.
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wew have the ending as it was with the smash cut to black. but then after ten seconds of silence and black we fade back up and a caption would have read "5 Years Later" and we would see we are in the whitehouse. a boston song fills the soundtrack....a little odd we think..where is this going? then all of a sudden we are following a woman as she makes her way through the bustling halls of the whitehouse halls with documents in her hands saying morning to a few aides and officials......she gets to the door of the oval office.....a secretary says "go right in he is expecting you" she knocks and enters. the president is sitting with his back to us in a big swivel chair. the aide says "morning mr president" and he spins around in his chair...IT'S TONY!!! HE IS THE FUCKING PRESIDENT..."good morning" he says very smugly and knowingly.....he starts to cackle...the cackle turns into a guffaw which turns into maniacal laughter.....it gets louder and louder as we pull away up through the window up into the sky looking down on the white house with tonys laughter and bostons rock echoing over the soundtrack...roll credits....best.end.ever. would be the headlines methinks
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I subscribed to HBO for Hanks' "From the Earth to the Moon" and kept it for Sopranos. Watched every episode, and tolerated a lot of sloppy crap from Chase and Company. But the "write your own ending" finale was the last straw for me, movie or no. The episode blew off Sil's condition and Bobby's funeral for AJ and Meadow crap. You can say "brilliant" till the Russians come home, but that won't make it so. We came to connect with the world Chase created, but he spat in the fan's faces. I want the 86 hours of my life back.
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Brilliant episode, brilliant finale, and for all of the whiners demanding closure, look no further. It's all in there. TONY: knows that he will end up in court, and later, prison. Chase and the writers basically do all they can to guarantee this, without actually spelling it out. Even his lawyer predicts it. The final scene is simply life through Tony's eyes, as it will be for the rest of his days. Heightened paranoia. CARMELA: will forever be living a lie- the complacent wife of a monster. AJ: after a long, desperate search for meaning, falls in love again, gets a new car, and finds himself laughing at the President when he should be outraged. The only way he will get through life, it seems, is to disconnect from the world's problems, and be more like his dad: egocentric, indulgent, and in therapy. The ultimate joke is that he is now fit for a role in the entertainment business.
MEADOW: will forever be a failure in Tony's eyes. Much has been made of Tony's soft spot for children and animals, and he had become increasingly vocal about his desire to see her "helping sick babies and what not." The legal field- while on the surface, just as noble as medicine- represents corruption to Tony. Lawyers only exist to keep him in business. The idea that Meadow (once his hope for redemption) is Tony's failure is reenforced by her new relationship (and possible pregnancy) with the son of a Mob family.
CHRISTOPHER: had flipped, and Tony was correct in his instinct to kill him. That's why the cat is staring at his picture. The cat recognizes him as a rat. PAULIE: was loyal to the end, and Tony was correct in his instinct to let him live. Paulie's last scene, turning down the promotion to remain Tony's underling, only reenforces Paulie's loyalty to his role. SYL: is a vegetable- the perfect metaphor for Tony's new state of paranoia. As consigliari, Syl was Tony's reliable sense of reason. Simply killing him off would have suggested that Tony could replace him in time. As per the finale, Syl is still present but forever useless. Tony is more alone than ever.... I know a lot of the audience just wants to see the series end with a scorecard: to know who lives, who dies, and who goes to jail. But the series is far more complex than that. It provides closure with its power of suggestion, and it's a power that far outweighs 99% of other television series. -
DAMN YOU DAVID CHASE DENIS
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i like your theory about the cat recognising the rat......
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I thought the episode was good, but it wasn't near their best, like "Pine Barrens" or when Big Pussy got his. I think the ambling, rambling nature of the episode really reflected the ambling, rambling nature of the show for the past 2 years. A whole lot of minimalist scenes that really don't go anywere, but have layers of "relevance". Usually, its come off as kind of a wank in Seasons 5 & 6, but I bought it this episode only because it was The Final Episode Ever so every scene did have relevance. I also found it really tense because I thought anybody was going to bite it at any second.
The "cut to black" does strongly imply that Tony done got whacked (with the quote repeated last week about everything goes black, and with Phil getting it in the back of the head without knowing at all), however, I like the open ended nature of it. I'm gonna go Choose Your Own Adventure and say that Tony didn't die, the family is fine, and he got off and is still living it up. Happy ending cause I'm a wuss. Whatever one you think is right too. Everybody wins in the end.
Besides, you can't kill the main character when Journey "Don't Stop Belevin'" is playing. Its too upbeat a tune! -
"Sopranos" started January 1999, "Analyze This" opened 5 March 1999. See, it takes two years to make a movie. During that time, any hack can read your script and rip it off for cable TV. And "Godfather" opened in 1974, go whack your Mother.
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for all the twits who deluded themselves into thinking anything important was resolved, let's go through them:
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Tony vs. Phil. Hardly resolved. Phil is indeed dead. Tony, as shown by the ominous folks hanging around and the skepticism about Butchie just letting things go, is hardly out of danger with Brooklyn.
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Meadow. Resolved? Really? She could be pregnant. She might be getting married to yet another person who Tony doesn't think is good enough for the Mafia princess.
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A.J. resolved? HAH!!! He's making porno movies. BFD, no resolution there.
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Junior. Tony has no closure with his uncle. The money is still in the wind. And Tony can't get through to Junior at all about anything, even failing to job his memory about being the North N.J. boss.
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therapy resolved? How? He apparently is back to square one and is hitting on a new therapist. The only thing that happened is Dr. Melfi fired Tony. so what?
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And a FEW LOOSE ENDS? Easily the 2nd-dumbest thing said by all the Chase suckups and apologists. Saying that Tony has a few loose ends is sort of like saying the 1906 quake was a catalyst for making changes in the public safety codes. Among the "loose ends" is the likelihood that Tony will be indicted, although even that has no resolution at all since the attorney notes that anything can happen at trial.
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As for the dumbest thing said on the talkbacks, surely the front runner is the childish attempt to compare the legendary 'The Grapes of Wrath' with the travesty that was 'Sopranos' seasons 4 through 7 or 6a-6b, or whatever those last two idiotic runs of the Sopranos were. -
Was watching NHK Fujisankei news (on AZN TV) and what did I see for one of the commercials for the newscast? None other than Michael Imperioli, AKA, The Soprano's Christopher Moltisanti doin' a friggin' Toshiba HD-DVD TV ad [!]. Yeah, it opens up with him walking into some street scene set talkin' 'bout how he went to acting (not film) school after high school . . . entire TV ad is in English language . . . He starts looking into the eyepiece of one of the on-set cameras, talkin' 'bout how film is his passion (and, I mean, you REALLY believe that this guy IS passionate about film, no joke), and, man, if you've followed The Sopranos from the last season, even, you know that Chris M. was runnin' around trying his damndest to be the consummate film professional while filming The Sopranos universe's mob/horror flick (its impetus, "like that Saw $#!7" "The Godfather II meets Saw) Cleaver. Yeah, HBO went as far as to come up with a The Making of Cleaver that aired after the episode that featured the Daniel Baldwin (starring as himself in The Sopranos as Cleaver's lead) vehicle's opening . . . I like how Michael I. says "HD-DVD." Sounds like "Aitch ahDee Deeee Veeeeee Deeee," really pronouncing those initials . . . The TV ad continues, shows him driving around town, more talk about how film is his passion. Cripes, you could swear it’s more of a Chris M./TV commercial filmed on a non-bloody/horror street scene of Cleaver than an ad thepianistically-helmed by Michael Imperioli. But, you know the latter is true because he does one of those on-screen signatures of his name at the end of the ad . . . And what happens at the end of the ad? Fade to black; no, no, no, just kidding. He’s shown in an “end-of-the-day” kinda’ scene, ready to actually watch an HD-DVD show, and his couch is like, almost three feet away, flat screen up more toward the ceiling (and quite grey walls in his place, apparently) almost like you gotta look up to watch the screen; kinda’ like if you’re sitting in the third row of a theatre (not too close to d’a TV screen, ah, Chrissy, wha’ you wanna’ go blind o’ somet’in?). What’s he watching? P. Jackson’s King King . . . Sigh. We sure DO need more Aitch ahDee Deeee Veeeeee Deeee titles don’t we? Maaaaarone!
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"Fujisankei" (Fuji TV) news. NHK and Fujisankei are two different networks in Japan.
Fuji TV is celebrating its 20th year in operation this year. Gambatte!!!!! -
What's to debate?
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The guy in the Members Only jacket WAS the Russian! He came back to kill Tony.
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Nothing, that line has already been debated at length. Reading is good and good FOR you.
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I know you're all gone now, but I just wanted to come back ans say that. Feels weird, like being in an empty room.
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Not like that pussy ass jackalcack :)
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You mean as in the last to post? Well I guess you are! Oh wait-- sorry.
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And the ending was perfect. Just like me being truly last on this talkback.
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Could u belive this prik,from above "happy 2 post last comment"Fuk" that u better make a sequel Chase or else im comming 2 get u.
u hear?
PPL have 2 know that i kill that "FUK" in restorant and Paulie .....is dead 2 couse he whanted 2 take my place since nobody from the capitans was capable.
So u better hurry ,time is running
"Sincerely T"
:)
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