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SPOILER ALERT !!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
Have I mentioned yet that 20th Century Fox can go fuck themselves?
For a megacorporation who make hundreds of millions of dollars a year whether they’re cranking out dogshit or the occasional decent movie, they sure are a bunch of giant pussies when it comes to the slightest criticism of their films. Our reviewer, Jesse Morrison, known here on the site as Memflix, was a projectionist who ran trade screenings for a theater chain. He’s written many reviews for us before, but when he wrote one for FANTASTIC FOUR, Fox went into hypersensitive overdrive. They tracked him down and had him fired, threatening to pull their business from the entire chain over that review.
Think about that for a minute... this is one megacorporation threatening to blackball another corporation because one guy didn’t like their movie and had the stones to say so.
So fuck you, Fox. There are ways to handle these things, and you have proven over and over that you not only hate your audience, but you don’t want to know what they think. All you care about is the filthy lucre.
Having said that, here’s a review which should settle the ongoing talkback debate about whether the doucheb... er, “reviewer” Roy Stalin was for real or not. And watch out for a doozy of a spoiler in this review:
Mori,
Hey dude. Regular talker never contributed. I just got back from a press screening of FF2 and wanted to send something to AICN.
SPOILERS AHEAD... DRIVE CAREFULLY
First of all, Shields up. Cuz haters ain't going to like what they're about to read. Both previous reviews were full of shit. I just returned from a press screening of ROTSS and can mos def report that the UK guy was full of SERIOUS (as in NEVER saw the movie) shit.
Memflix? Well we just disagree on the whole thing.
Tim Story has done the what so far this summer was impossible. He made an enjoyable comic book film that was 1 million times better than its predecesor. It's not heavy, dark or bad looking. It did not suck as much I worried about going into the theater. It's an improvement in every way. Thing looks better, Reed's powers look better (and not like that awful ad that ran BEFORE the FX were complete) and Alba is smoking.
Story starts the film with Galactus and ends with Galactus. And, by the way, that's how it's pronounced in the movie not as some worried Gal-ak-tus or what ever Ultimate bullshit is out there. So I'll start with himi first, cuz you know you want to know what's up with that.
He's in there. But to reduce him to a "cloud" is a disservice to the film. He's, in my opinion, a galactic storm with elements of the the Kirby creation. I thought he looked pretty effin' cool. And be sure to watch for the shadow that moves across Jupiter. The FX people did an excellent job of it. Serioulsy, as much as I like the comic, there is no way (unless you're Alex Ross) that a big purple helmeted warrior would look cool on screen. There were a few FX people from a local firm there who I talked with afterward and they agreed that the G would have looked like a tool if done as Kirby created him. In this version, he looked more like a god. And the way he's taken care of in the end is MUCH better than the comic version where Reed all but stuck some kind of novelty lighter called The Ulimate Nullifier in his big face.
The dialog was nowhere near as bad as the first travesty esp. between the main characters. Chiklis is more comfortable as the Thing and Ion Gruffoiliijd (or however you spell it) is more relaxed with the American accent and character.
The best thing about the film, like Memflix said, was the Surfer. They nailed him.
His back story is in line with the Marvel origin, and despite know nothings who have claimed to have seen the film, there is no love interest between Norrid R'ad (the surfer) and Sue (thank fucking Christ). There's even a scene where he's tortured by the Army.
As to he plot, everyone knows it by now: Something is killing worlds and has come to earth. Doom (we'll get to him in a minute) is getting better at his castle in Latvia and also tracking the surfer. As Reed and Sue are planning to get married, Doom trackes the Surfer to Iceland and get a blast of the power cosmic up his ass, which heals his scars. And, as we know from the 1,000,000,000th trailer out there, Johnny's run in with the surfer has made it possible to switch powers with his teammates (which wasn't as annoying as I feared).
The army calls on Reed to help out with international problem of big fucking craters appearing everywhere. The team fuck it up over London and Doom (fully healed) steps in to lend a hand with the problem. So with the FF's and Doom's help, they capture the surfer by seperating him from his board and lock him up and torture him.
Doom steals board, fantasticar shows up, they beat Doom using Johnny as a Super Skrull, Surfer gets board back and takes on his boss.
Keep an eye for The Watcher at the end.
Pros:
Stan Lee's cameo.
Better make-up/effects, dialog and action.
The Surfer
Andre Braugher as the army dude. He's awesome no matter what he's in.
The lack of Doom in the story. He's in it just enough for a few fight scenes. His costume is also MUCH improved over the first one.
The movie's length. 89 minutes. PERFECT. In and out and take the kids to Chuck E Cheese.
Cons:
Some continuity points.
Alba's hair.
Final assesment:
Better than the first one.
Not a waste of $$$.
Perfect to take the kids to see.
Hopefully they'll make a Surfer movie.
If you use this call me Greenhouse. Cuz that's what I'm going to get accused of anyway. Fuckers.
Oh, no! He sort of liked it! Quick, Fox, you better track him down and get him fired!
Or maybe you want to go after this next guy. And remember... you went after Memflix for “breaking embargo,” not because his opinion was negative. So either you go after these guys as well, or you’re exactly the bunch of chickenshit greedhead lowlifes I think you are. I guess time will tell...
Hi Harry & Quint.
Just got back from a Silver Surfer premiere in the UK. The Vue cinema chain was hosting the world premiere in London's Leicester Square, and did a series of simultaneous regional premieres (I went to the one in Cambridge).
Here's a quick spoiler-free review.
First off the premiere event was cool - we got a live feed from London on the big screen... Jessica Alba was gorgeous and didn't stop smiling... Chris Evans turned up for the money... Ioan Gruffudd always sounds odd with a Welsh accent.
Anyway, to the film itself. It was perfect. Absolutely perfect. In the same way that Spider-man 3 was actually a bit disappointing.
I've been looking forward to this film so much since I saw the first trailer on holiday in New York at Christmas. That chase scene between the Human Torch and the Surfer is amazing on the big screen (even though I've seen it a thousand times on the internet).
There's nothing I'd change about this film. It's light-hearted without damaging the characters, funny, and the action is spot-on. A huge improvement on the first film.
The Surfer is the clear star. He's not really a big character in the UK, so we have few preconceptions, but wow - he really is a great character. His story is shallow but holds up, and he is given some time to develop (although it's really basic character development, the kind where you spot his motivation coming before he does).
The Invisible Woman and Human Torch get the most F4 screen time. The Thing probably gets the least... F4 3 will need to feature him more heavily.
Overall, my wife summed up the best thing about it for her - it was all story and no padding. It opens with the start of the plot and just kicks off from there. No set pieces are done without adding to the story. Excellent!
I haven't yet read your other reviews (to avoid spoilers) but I'm aware there's a Galactus debate of some kind...no, you don't see Galactus as a person or really as a being, but you do see an entity that threatens the planet... worked for me, but then I didn't know the character from the comic books.
One thing, don't immediately run off after the first set of end credits, hang on for a few minutes for a final scene...
If you use this please call me 'The Master'.
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this plant-notplant shit is nonsense
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I'd go with telling them to fuck off, because this sorta thing sounds insane. I guess they just ain't a corporation that doesn't endorse free-speech or the ability to criticize. So I guess this means the other review was a plant.
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I'll still go see this.
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Wow fox, you really showed him...how about make a decent movie, not just good enough to rake in the cash and next time you could have a glowing review and not have to waste your time making a phonecall... schmucks.. i'll wait for transformers...
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... I think that was an unintentional double-negative.
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Seriously, to go and fuck with someone's livelihood like that is fucking terrible. Now you guys know why people should pirate bad movies like this. Fuckin' studio heads think they own the world and this is the reason why you gotta put these assholes in their place. Motherfuckers.
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studios do what they have to do to protect their interests. It's called "business." It's called "Hollywood." This isn't a surprise.
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we'll show that little projector dude not to like every movie he sees! That is bad ... clearly a violation of his first amendment rights ...
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Damn you Michael Bay
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And I'm SO off watching any Fox films any time soon.
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On one hand, I wanna see it. On the other, I TOTALLY DISAGREE with 20th Century Fox going after that guy. It was low and deserving of a boycott of their films.
I guess I'll have to see it for free somehow. Good thing I have lots of friends who work in movie theaters at various levels, and I can totally skip having to pay Fox for their movie this time around. I won't pirate it; That would be immoral. I'll simply use someone's free movie privileges at their cineplex to sidestep the whole issue. You get no money from me on this one, 20th Century Fox. Fuck you. I'll pay to see this film when you do the right thing and give the guy his job back. -
http://www.memflixbeyond.com/
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i posted this earlier today in the other talkback though http://www.scifimoviepage.com/fantasticfour2silversurfer.html
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because Fox are a pack of greedy corporate whores and filthy bullying standover cunts.
I am STUNNED that an individual who sees a film in the course of his job and then simply gives his opinion of it - can then be fired. I myself have reviewed films on this site as well as giving spoilers on stuff (Batman Begins comes to mind) which I saw as part of my day-job. If 'memflix' had signed a confidentiality agreement then it's understandable - but i doubt very highly that he did. Fuck you 20th Century Fox, FUCK YOU!
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No, seriously. This franchise is dead to me. Strong-arm tactics piss me off. Won't buy a ticket, won't rent a dvd, won't watch it on cable. Un-fucking-believable. Spread the word.ê
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Yes they want all our money - but if you leak stuff in corperate world, political world, heck even bad Paris gossip - it can and will get you fired...No Fox trying to make a company bend to their will would be like Microsoft trying...oh no their here...I can't speak any longer...run for God sake run...set the thermite a fire on the lapto..aalsdkj fa;lskjfafdakjdfa sf nanczmnv,..............
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So theres no way that they realized that Roy Hitler or whatever his name was, was such a bad plant and was outed after the memflix affair, and they send in another couple of cheasily obvious reviews.
(and not like that awful ad that ran BEFORE the FX were complete) ?? thats almost as bad as trying to convince us that Galactus was in it and memflix was full of shit. And you talked to some FX guys? yeah right. And nobody ever puts Marvel characters on screen without screen tests redesigns etc. so theres no excuse. massive interplanetary destruction at the hands of a giant guy in a strange suit definatly has some way of looking good on screen. What if Harryhausen said the idea of a collosus stomping a group of greeks is just ridiculous im going to make him into a cloud. The cloud can then tickle them under the armpits.. greek mythology purists wont mind, we're making a film for a wider audience here for fucks sake! -
Moriarty comes out with both guns blazin'. I love it.
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Screw you Fox.
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That was a slightly less offensive 'impression' than the first guy's attempt ot portray 'angry AICN talkbacker geek'.
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What an injustice to Marvel.
"seperating him from his board and lock him up and torture him"
What a bunch of crap. The "Power Cosmic" was not in the board, it was in the surfer. Why don't we just rewrite all the Marvel characters while we're at it. Acting? What F'ing Acting? Alba has a nice ass, THAT'S ABOUT IT. Ooooh,...a big cloud. Oh, and X-men 3 blew massive balls! I'm pissed I ever saw it. -
>> there is no way (unless you're Alex Ross) that a big purple helmeted warrior would look cool on screen<<
Untrue. I've got clips on my myspace page (myspace.com/galactuswearspurplepants) that say otherwise.
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Join the fight against giant cloud bull-hooey.
add as a friend on myspace.com/galactuswearspurplepants and my new facebook group (search for galactus) -
'Cause Hoffman was such a method actor he would have hung around up high peeing on people to get into character... Damn I need some sleep...
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''there is no love interest between Norrid R'ad (the surfer) and Sue (thank fucking Christ).'' They are trying to sound like us, but geeks dont talk like that, becuase a review to this website would be geek to geek, so they should know that everyone else would know that Norrid Rad is the sufer. They are trying to sound like a geek by knowing the name of the surfer but also mandatorily making the sentence accessible to everyone with the explaination in brackets just incase anyone who aint a geek reads it. No ive got nothing better to do with my time than come up with reasons to shoot down studio plants. Its fun.
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But it most likely won't, but if enough people try to... if it wasn't for the Simpsons, doh.
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he created the project and he's backing this up. Only reason why i'm watching it now.. that and Alba's a**, and b***, and.. and.. nevermind, you got the idea. Look, what i find weird is people have written very shitty reviews about films before but why is fox only acting out now? when was the last time something like this happened. and i doubt that fox would go through all that trouble just because of a bad review. Makes me wonder what's goin on behind the scenes there... unless Fox really is that cowardly. i mean, come one, the first one didn't bomb even if it almost could (money wise) and they've got tons of money. So what if this doesnt get as much... makes me wonder.
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Fox won't get my money for this piece of crap!
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They'd feel secure in the positive reviews and word of mouth to come. Fuckin cunts. Do the material justice next time!
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or in this case, the fans are always right... and I say this for all the comic fans, MARVEL, DC or Indie....Satisfying the fans of any comic property that is made into a film is priority #1. Priority #2 is making sure the film is cast right, has the right screenwriter or director/producer with the balls to make it right. Why? Satisfaction to the fans = more $$$ to produce further films.
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I can't believe either of these guys but I'll give Greenhouse props on his name
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or something...
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Jun 12, 2007 7:58:34 PM CDT
Fuck you, Fox, no way I'm seeing this OR paying for any
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"FOX" product in the near future. Fuck you dirtbags trying to keep the truth about how shitty your films are from the public by bullying and fucking up an honest person's career. FUCK YOU FOX, EAT CORN FROM MY SHIT
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Jun 12, 2007 7:58:43 PM CDT
MAYBE IF YOU DIDNT CALL ONE OF THEM A FOX STOOGE ...
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ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN COOL ..... nobody to blame but yourselves here im sorry ...
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And actually follow through with it this time!Everyone talked the talk about X3 but then after it was released everyone acted like they didn't know what happened.As if the whole idea of boycotting X3 and Fox was a joke.
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Im suprised Transformers isnt made by fox... you know with Optimus Prime having flames and all... just imagine if fox made Transformers!!!!
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I remember an interview early on in the development of FF2 (which was yesterday haha haha yeah because it was so rushed, i get it) where Story said he was in meetings where the producers were telling him what he could and couldnt have in the film, i remember him saying something along the lines of ''i am their assboy''
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some states like Texas have a thing called a "right to hire", which is in a fact a law for firing, which pretty much says a company doesn't really need all that good of an excuse to fire someone.
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Dont stand for that shit. Whoever fired you needs to get their dog thrown in front of a train. You should also visit one of the country clubs those pale liver spot infested moneybag fox fucks go to and run them over with their own golf carts and piss on their corpses. I cant tell you what to do though. I'd never think of doing these things but if i were you... lol.
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I have this six/seven volume 5000 page modernist masterpiece, in French, on mid-seventies library Microfiche, but I don't want to read the whole thing (Microfiche reader gets too hot).
Could someone please let me know at what page number Monsieur Swann, while at dinner with Baron Charlus, inhales the delicate fragrance rising from the inner lining of Charlus' special GOTTA-TAKE-A-SHIT MASK and is reminded of the youthful hawthornes in Combray and the bittersweet impossibilities of true love? I have looked everywhere and cannot find this information.
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He most likely is one, because the personality of a sociopath lends itself to being better at heading a corporation. They just love the money they get, and don't give a damn about anyone else.
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I'll paypal Memflix some dough. It blows my mind that they would track him down and fire him. That is some serious cocksuckage right there.
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AGAIN! unless they show any nipple im still using those beach photos!!
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Fox isn't the only one to blame here, the theater chain needs to be boycotted too. I have at least 6 different theater chains in my area. Just tell us which one it was and we can all avoid it. Let's see how much fucking money they lose when people aren't seeing ANY movies at their shit theaters, let alone a Fox movie.
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as Mori pointed out...Memflix got fired because his review was negative, pure and simple. he has sent in reviews before, ostensibly from the same situation, and nothing...you have to admit, do you really think the Fox execs would have tracked him down if his review had been even neutral? I suppose if he had given away spoilers, maybe. but he didn't. he just didn't like the film. and the embargo bullshit was just a way of punishing him, while still protecting their legal culpability.no matter how you look at it, it's shitty. this isn't Nedry in Jurasic Park selling trade secrets for millions. it's a projectionist sending in a review to a site he likes, for NO money, just to be part of the process of getting information about a film out there. Memflix, if you live in LA and can work a camera, holler at me. also, if you speak Spanish, that'll help, got some stuff going down in Mexico July/August. good money, all travel paid for, and they still need one more cameraman.
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greetings, and screw michael bay!
you could have easily made galactus look cool as a giant. JUST MAKE HIM FUCKING GIANT. Here is how you could make him show up and it would not be lame.
Military detects massive energy presence. it stops. Surfer takes reed to "meet" galactus.
enter a matrix like scene where it is just Richards and a giant galactus floating in nothing. G chooses to present himself as a giant human in battle armor, purple is his color. He levitates richards to his face, which is massive. they speak. Galactus decides to destroy the planet anyways.
Richards is instantly back in the FF base or whatever, and galactus appears in space, floating...and then becomes a cloud and phases into earth itself and shit happens as he begins to absorb it.
the surfer meets with galactus in the matrix space and convinces him not destroy earth. G leaves, Surfer gives up some of his power to heal earth.
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I mean holy fuck....
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bunch of PLANTS.
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TELL IT LIKE IT IS MORIARTY! FUCK FOX!Respect points went up one million percent, Moriarty!
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So, FOX were so scared of the all powerful Memflix and his awesome reviews of truthitude, they tracked him down like in a bad spy thriller and had him fired.
I call fucking bullshit on that, he probably got fired for spooging on the popcorn or something. Quite frankly, AICN reviews aint as effective as you'd like to imagine, Spidey 3, Pirates, Shrek etc... will all make shit loads of cash, as did GhostRider, despite the all-powerful AICN featuring hugely negative responses.
IF it did happen, then he can sue the shit out of them...so all this talk of boycots and "something must be done" is ridiculous. Fucking drama queens sometimes, you lot. -
You were just wondering if what happened was indeed fair, because breaking any contract is always a no-no.
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Give me $$$ and I'll give you a positive review. I have Talkback Cred, so I'm a valuable asset. (seriously, call me, we'll talk)
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I have worked on sets where I had to sign confidentiality agreements as thick as telephone books. The idea is that you aren't supposed to disclose what you saw and you agree to it as a condition of your employment. If this projectionist knew he was not supposes to disclose anything about the screening or if he signed a confidentiality agreement Fox is well within their rights to get him fired. It may not seem reasonable, but just because it is excessive doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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and he looked cool right? right? somebody gimme a right? Ah thats right he looked as shit as Vinnie Jones in a Musclesuit with a stone lookin helmet on speaking yanky phrazes in a cockney accent. Now THATS shite.
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I want to know what theatre it is so that incase I ever visit it I can take a dump on the middle of their bathroom floor when no one is in it. BUWAHAHAHHAAH TAKE THAT THEATRE CHAIN!! PICK UP MY DUMPAGE!!!
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Best comic flick of the year...it's looking that way.
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To say the least. To what movie do we owe this unseemly homage?
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my mind actually ive always thought this, ive just been yanking ya chain he he, yeah i dont actually think that Fox is ripping off the characters and putting them in a low budget alternative to £200 million competition in the form of Spider-man and Super-man. How come they always spend £100 million less on their films anyway. cheapskates... oh this was supposed to be a positive review..... nah i dont got it in me.
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In the first review he says that "Galactus" is pronounced correctly, not like "Gal-ak-tus" as "some were worried". I'm not going to pretend to have ever read a single issue of FF, but how the fuck else are you supposed to pronounce "Galactus"?
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FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by the staff. They screwed up his orders, humiliated him, and ripped him off so he pissed all over their bathroom floor. THIS IS THE WAY TO GET BACK AT THEM MEMFLIX! DUMP ON THEIR BATHROOM FLOOR!!! DUMPPPPPP! DUMPAGE!!! its the only honourable thing to do.
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Than other movies out that summer like spider-man or superman?
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This may sound stupid, but does the animation in anyway spoil Black Snake Moan? I haven't seen it yet.
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Oh, yeah. I went there. FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can anyone else confirm this?
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Yet another shit fest from the studio that brought you the classic film Alien Vs. Predator. GO TO HELL YOU FILTHY COCKSUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FF 2 actually kicked all sorts of ass. If it outgrosses Sony's 200 million Spider Man 3 I will be happy. That would be hilarious. We need a Silver Surfer movie. Period.
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I'm just now curious if Sam Jackson ends up in a freezer.
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Your words, Moriarty. And mine too!
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Its a baby film. like toy story, that parents will enjoy along with their retarded children. Because the adults will enjoy the 'comedy' ahem, im sorry i meant 'cliched, i wish they had laugh tracks in movies' bits and the kids will pretend not to see dad look strange when Alba gets her kit off. See how it works?
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I have never been more proud of you and your work on this site as I am now..You had the balls to speak up . Memflix yeah he got hosed for calling em like he saw them.. Fox What fuckin chukleheads.
Roy Story ..I mean Stalin he should choke... Memflix a stand up guy..took the hit and I know he'll rebound.. I was hoping to see this film but even if it is decent. The actions of Fox will overshadow my enjoyment like a big cloud of fuckin SPACE DUST and as it sounds from all the Memflix supporters..It will overshadow theirs..Good move Fox.. How does it feel to fuck yourself?
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If ya didn't already know
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Memflix has said repeatedely in the other TB that there was no confidentiality agreement, written or otherwise. Assuming this is true, then this firing is absolutely actionable.
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They aren't that smart, he has a website memflixbeyond.com and his name is right on it. From there it wasn't that difficult, even the assistant to the assistant of Rothman's assistant could manage that one...
MEMflix is in MEMphis which is in TN which is a right to work state, as I pointed out in the other thread, he has a good case for unemployment but that is about it.
If he could prove that Fox placed a call saying 'fire him or we pull every one of our films from you chain', or some such threat, he might, with a good lawyer, be able to go after FOX.
Or maybe if you could convince an entertainment journalist to fill some inches on a slow day, the whole 'fired for having an opinion' angle might get some play. Get Memflix some publicity, maybe he can get a paying movie critic gig, which is I am sure his real dream anyway... -
I reckon it will get on some non-fox owned news stations and will suck for fox cause on the weekend that FF2 is released a story like that would be worse than a blowjob from your own grandmother.
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so yeah it sucks memflix got fired, but what he was doing (as per being employeed by the theatre) was fire worthy, even if it was a little harsh. (but then so was his review)
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Why keep raping Doom? Why not bring Diablo out? That's one crazy/femmy villain who would do well on the screen.
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...I hate the fact that you lost your job but I'll be seeing this movie Friday. Decent Sci-Fi films are just too hard to come by these days. Sorry.
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Cause he cant review movies from screeners anymore. Memflix gotta eat!
Seriously dude, that sucks we owe you for taking a hit for the team, even though i didnt care what your review said cause i was goonna wtach the movie anyways.
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Appealing to my fellow Talkbackers... Please... DO NOT GO WATCH FANTASTIC FOUR! Let us show these studio shills, and whore mongers that they do not have control over us. And, rather that it is we that controls them. We have the power of the purse. We can show these bastards, that we will no longer put up with the raping of our comic books. That we will not pay through the nose to watch cliched dreck that does not even remotely resemble the material that we so loved. This is could be the begining of a new age for us. Let us start the revolution! And that revolution begins with the following words... FUCK FOX. Repeat these words, if you would like to join. FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 12, 2007 8:51:45 PM CDT
i still dont know why people were mad when
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
fox didnt pick up the halo movie.
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maybe its not expressly written, but even so.. its dodgy ground, folks dont sign papers saying you are not allowed to steal or borrow the stuff from work but they do it anyways even though they know it aint right.
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is something i can always get behind and agree on 100%
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First, he was a jerk. Second, guess what- He din't do his job and got canned! Big shock!!!! Don't say that Fox is being unreasonable, it was against the terms of his employment to "spill the beans", and he got sacked because of it. Too freakin' bad. Won't be doing that again, huh? If I disobeyed my boss, I'd get canned, too.
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(one more for the road): Go pick something that might actually make a difference to someone in the world to start a crusade against. Wow, Fox didn't make a movie that you approve of, WHICH YOU HAVENT EFFING SEEN YET BY THE WAY!!!! How could they? Dumbass.
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Rocks, since Thing was rock.
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FOX YOU FUCKING WANKERS
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You are obviously a plant for FOX. Get the fuck off this TB Mr.Leaf! We don't want your kind here.
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Look at FOX NEWS. Look at who owns the fucking FOX Corporation. These people are the scum of the fucking earth. Murdoch can burn in Hell.
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...every employee at Fox only cares about money. What happened was fucked up I agree. But you gotta remember if nobody goes to see movies like FF, the movies don't get made. Think about it. Choose wisely.
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That the best you can do? Call me Plant? Why, because I think you're an asshole with a chip on his shoulder? Go work for Greenpeace if you want to "make a difference" you effin hippie.
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I'm amazed Fox went to all the trouble to track down someone who posted a negative review of a movie on an Internet fan site, as if that review would put a DENT in the movie's ultimate box office. Was the Net not hyper-buzzing both Snakes on a Plane and Grindhouse over the last year? Both movies tanked, showing that these sites aren't significantly representative of the larger moviegoing audience.
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Please come back to the Zone. I'll give you back rubs! And fruit baskets!
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fool me once shame on you... uh.. ah fool me twice.... eh.. you cant fool me again. Since x-men 3 and Fantastic Four, Fox has been supershit. Put that in your dictionary and spell it.
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Fuck off, All a ya! I'm one of the above reviews and not a fucking plant. Hence the name, dickheads. I posted the review here to give you assholes an honest review cuz up until now we were getting half-assed information. And I was tired of reading shit from no-know nothings who think it's cool to write up bogus shit and feed it to us. SO fuck off with the plant bullshit. I WISH I was on the Fox payroll. It's gotten to the point where people can't post ANY kind of review other than "This movie blows' without getting attacked.
Memflix knew the deal. He works at a freakin' movie theater he knows the deal. When I sent my review to Mori, I explained that my situation was similar to Mem's and he fucking respected that. I mean, don't leave so many clues in your review (and them post it on your website) and NO movie is worth losing a job over. Ok. maybe Iron Man...or Dark Knight...but that's IT.
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Fox, if you don't want to have the employees watch movies before the press screenings there are two very simple things to do (trust me, I'm a projectionist, I see this all the time).
1. Lock the cans. Call the theater 90 minutes before showtime. That way nobody will get to watch it the night before if the print shows up like we do at my theater all the fucking time.
2. Schdual the screening an hour before the movie theater starts showing other films. That way the projectionist will be distracted with the other screens to stop and watch the whole film.
If you don't do those two things, the people have every right to watch the fucking movie. It's one of the few benifits we get at a job like that. -
GO FUCK YOURSELF!! YOU ARE SCUM. PLEASE DIE....Soon. FUCK FOX!!!!!!!! Suicide is an option. Do the research.
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I dont care what you say Mem has stated that he never Signed a confidentiality clause therefor there is no grounds for his dismissal. I think regardless he has grounds to at the least explore having a law suit filed.
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Ill be skipping seeing this movie in the theaters...its the only way to stand up to dumb ass studio that believe they know everything, and treat consuumers like village idiots......So ill have to hear about it from the rest of yall..... Ill check out Transformers and Ratouille!!!
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Maybe you aren't leafy, but your obviously an idiot. How old are you? Sixteen? Yeah, you would like this movie. This film, and the Power Rangers movie is probably in your top five. Isn't?
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A lot of them...my fave phrase was this: "you’re exactly the bunch of chickenshit greedhead lowlifes I think you are." That's fucking poetry. Nicely done, McW. I hope everyone appreciates the stones you've got, swinging away at Fox as you've done, when it may put a serious crimp in your vocational outlook. Kudos.
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SHow FOX its viewers arent the villiage idiots it thinks we are....No censorship! No firings because of bad reviews
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Maybe you just need to realize that not everyone thinks the same as you, and I don't like the idea of loadmouths like you being the only voice out there. I LIKE comic book movies the way they are. I LIKED Ghostrider, I LIKE X3, I LIKED Superman Returns. Deal with the fact that not everyone shares your opinions.
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Your words, Ball less 2003. NOT MINE!
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Looks like without the force of SW to keep FOX on the light side, they're slipping.... but I suppose they have a right to protect bad publicity before a movie even premieres, as critics themselves release their reviews the day of release.
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I've seen the clips. This movie is just as bad as the first movie. sue, you're on fire! Ya think!!! WOW. They make shit movies and then get someone fired for speaking his opinion. i will not see this in the movies and i truly hope you all do the same. We sank Hostel 2, we can sink this mother fucker too!!!
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Your words PLANTKINS. NOT MINE!
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And the point you think you made is what- that you're a bigger movie fan becasue you DIDN'T like those movies? Keep on rolling, fucktard. You're sounding more and more like a complete moron with every post.
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Is that the secret deal that that a fox executive makes with anyone they think they can manipulate out of a job? The secret deal agreed on by only one party. Cause thats a great deal. Your a prick brassai and your a a plant.
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I miss that Fox. I wasn't seeing this film anyway, but now, with all this foolish bullshit, there's no way. Weak sauce.
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If your going to hire a no-name cast for your super-hero movie at least make sure the FX are good!!
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X3, Ghostrider? Yeah. I didn't like those movies. There's this thing called TASTE. But you wouldn't know about that, being a plant. Would you PLANTKINS? FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!
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...if there was nothing signed by Memflix and the management never expressely told him (either verbally or in company literature whether he read it or not) he couldn't say anything about this film, or any other film for that matter, then this is a violation of his First Amendment Rights period.
Seeing as how the management told him flat out why he was being fired, for expressing his opinion about the movie, this firing is absolutely actionable. The nice thing about the Constitution is that it trumps any and all State laws. Plus, management has already set (possibly legal) precedent in this case by not warning and/or firing him for previous reviews. Now go get rich Memflix, or at least get your job back.
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For free, and very stoned. Fuck you FOX.
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Goodnight.
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Yeah, plant. The former I'm inclined to believe, although it leans a bit on the enthusiastic side.
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And you are the authority on taste because you like Marvel's comic books? I'd say you're contradicting yourself right there. I don't know what world you live in, but comics are not exactly "high art".
Second, Hairy Nutsack: You are forgetting the concept of "AT WILL" employment. You can't tell me that he wasn't aware he was doing something wrong. At every test screening I've ever been to (quite a few- the theater that's down the street does screenings almost weekly) they EXPLICITLY state not to disclose information to press. -
an INVISIBLE girl
a living piece of rock
a living bic lighter
a living rubber band...
but paying homage to the Kirby Galactus in some form is a "stretch" for us to imagine/it couldn't be done well.
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I mean it sucks, but come on, you knew the risks. I worked at a theater for a while and found it a privelage to see things early- I knew I wasn't supposed to take posters or write early reviews or even take a print of a film or anything, but I did. I never got caught, but I still knew that it would be big fucking trouble if I did. I also didn't do it often. For someone who's posted up early reviews of every major release thus far this summer, I can only say that you must have known this would happen eventually.
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I've lurked on this site for years--from Episode 1 breathless conjecture to the successful fan outrage ammendment/abandonment of Arwen at Helm's Deep--always enjoyed the community and the often hilarious exchanges--but Memflix simply offered an opinion and he got fired? Hunted down by Idiots. If this dude needs money we need to figure out how to help him out as he's "kin"--he's one of us. If this is true, this is disgusting. I've been coming to this site for years and been perhaps too lazy to ever join in any discussions but if this poor bastard got canned beacuse heavyweight suits were too insecure to let him have an opinion I will never, ever, see another production from Fox and this event (again, if true) made me have to post and express sincere disgust. The Internet increasingly flexes fan muscle as far as "Why are you idiots destroying something perfect as it is" (I pray for Watchmen) but as a working class dude, having a guy's livelihood taken away fromn him simply for his opinion? That's too much. Fuck Fox, fuck them right in the ear. If this story's veracity pans out there is no way in hell I am going to see FF2 or anything even remotely attached to Fox ever again. Geek outrgae helped shape Jackson's LotR, surely it can be mustered to get this dude his job back. F'n TOOLS!
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to say he's got zero MySpace friends ;)
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http://www.totalfilm.com/cinema_reviews/films_out_this_week/fantastic_four_rise_of_the_silver_surfer
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The thing is with a film like Superman Returns, Ghost Rider or Spidey 3 is that while they where not gret it was nt due to a lack of care. They just didn't work that well.But lost.rules has every right to say X3 and FF are shit because they where made to make money and no other reason. It is exploitation of an audience and an exploitation of a beloved artform.No matter what you thought of these movies you cannot deny they where made with no care or respect what-so-ever.They where made by suits.
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Well, you just said it, didn't you? He knew the risks, he did it anyway. Don't cry when you piss someone off for writing an entirely negative review and then get fired because of it. Fuck, what do you think would happen to me if I wrote an email to all our clients at my job telling them that I thought our products were ass and not to buy it?
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http://www.totalfilm.com/cinema_reviews/films_out_this_week/fantastic_four_rise_of_the_silver_surfer
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There is no way in hell any decent theater would allow the test screening projectionist to work without the understanding that he/she cannot discuss the films being screened. If it turns out Mem's employer failed to safeguard Fox's corporate secrets, then Fox should end its business relationship with that theater.
Even if there were no instructions to not disclose what he'd seen during these screenings, I firmly believe on moral and ethical grounds that Memflix violated Fox's trust. These films cost a fortune, and a company has every right to safeguard its investment. People keep bringing up the First Amendment. This is not a constitutional matter. Memflix put his employers at risk and in most cases his employer would have a clear right to terminate him. But they also have an obligation to reprimand him and move forward because, if this is the truth, they did not warn him about nondisclosure.
And yes, while Fox was within their rights to take aggressive action, they also behaved like a Massive Evil Corporation for using the equivalent of an atom bomb to kill a fly. If they're actually paying people for positive reviews, they could at least extend the courtesy to Memflix to help him keep his job or find a new one. They overreacted.
They suck. The theater management sucks. And while I sympathize with Memflix, he should not be writing reviews if he is screening films for test audiences for the studios. That is clearly a no-no, regardless whether you've been warned. -
Honestly, with Harry reviewing do we really need another fuck up?
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Go fucking talk to Tim Story who just dumped probably 2 years of his life into this film and ask him if he didn't care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's bullshit nonsense!!!! Fuck you!!!!!!!
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what the fuck man. WHAT THE FUCK.
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It gives it 3 stars and says it is more enjoyable than the first. It doesn't care whether Galactus is a cloud or not but still slates the film for all the problems everyone else has.I wouldn't say it is a fair review, I'm sure if I didn't know anything about FF then I could enjoy it for a bit of popcorn fun aswell.
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He said he was suspended...
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I'm sure if Tim Story (who i would quite happily say anything posted on this TB to) cared about the FF he would have stepped down or put a bit more effort in.He got paid a lot of money for them 2 years, most people would leave their standards at the door for a few million.
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losing the higher pay of the test projectionist. So he lost his job, literally, but if I understood his blog, he was still employed but suspended...I think.
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that Memflix shouldn't be slagging films if he works in a cinema?He doesn't work for FOX!If I go into a respected cinema/video shop/book shop and ask the staff if a film/book is any good I expect them to tell me. Not say 'oh I work in a cinema, I must say all the films are good.'
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Fox deserves no animosity for what happened. Here's the way it plays out:
Fox - Hey theater chain, one of your employees is fucking up our shit. Why should we do business with you when you burn us like this?
Theatre Chain - hey employee, you got us in big shit with our meal ticket and almost cost us a contract, you're fired.
Seems pretty clear cut to me. We live in a world with very few moral absolutes, and whether him getting fired is good or bad depends on who you are. If you're the guy running the theatre, or any of the other employees who might have ended up out of a job after their theatre lost Fox, firing Memflix was a pretty good thing. If you're Memflix, or his now hungry kids, it was a bad, unjust thing. The bottom line is, memflix knew what he was doing. I think it's pretty much universally known in the modern workplace that if you post negative shit about your company or their business partners online, and get caught, your ass is getting fired. -
Im sure he signed some kind of contract when he signed on to work there. I had to do the same thing when I was hired at my editorial company that Im forbidden to talk about any of the projects that were working on with anyone outside the company, industry magazines/newspapers (unless authorized by the client), or on any online website.
thems the rules and if he signed his name on that dotted line, then he has no leg to stand on.
from what it sounds like, it seems like this movie is going to rock. (big purple cloud aside)
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feelings towards his employers, they are just protecting their business.FOX are the assholes here.
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He knows how to handle shit. Unlike David Chase.
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They are business partners with a mutually beneficial relationship. If you want to test your logic, go look up who the company you work for is partnered with, then start publicly slamming that partner. See how fast you get in shit.
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Fox has invested a 9 figure amount of money into this product, they should protect their investment. If you work for an employer and don't follow your employer's policies you are going to get your ass fired. Welcome to the adult world, kids.
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EmpireandTotal FilmTotal film are sometimes slightly over positive and Empire are sometimes slightly too critical.Read both and get the perfect perspective of how well a film works.
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So how many here are also going to boycott Die Harder? That's a FOX flick as well or are you guys just yammering?
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Vince will just get Memflix a ride in an exploding limo. Watching that last night killed at least 9% of my brain cells.
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think people are saying what you're attributing. My take, and many others as well, is that Memflix, by simply posting a review, did something wrong. His job depends on discretion. Anyone running test screenings needs to have a projectionist they can trust. If a projectionist posts reviews, or videos the film and uploads it to a torrent site, that's wrong.
This isn't grammar school. This is big business. Fox has every right to protect its investments. But they also should hunt down all the other people who have violated their embargo. As Mori wrote, if this is truly about an embargo, then Fox must mow down all the squealers. Otherwise, go to hell, Fox, for bringing the weight of your company down on the neck of one individual who happened to hate your film.
But then there's the issue of actually posting these reviews in the first place, and I think it's flat-out wrong for Harry to run this site for spies. In effect, he's aiding and abetting corporate espionage. For every one of you who sees a test screening and signs a nondisclosure doc and then runs home to write a review with the hope Harry puts it up, shame on you. Have you no honor? This is why the world sucks. People are liars and two-faced shits. -
The guy did most likely sign an agreement and he violated that trust. As someone who works in the broadcast medium I see many things before it airs. I have signed agreements that states I am not allowed to share that information with anyone.
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Galactus doesn't have 10K friends ... yet. #10,000 could be you! or you! or even you!
Actually, I just started it, so #100 could be one of you.
myspace.com/galactuswearspurplepants
also join the Facebook group.
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but when working in the art industry there should be some law that you are allowed to critise bad peices of art.The cinema and FOX both know that anyone with half a brain knows this film is shit and they know they will still make money.Memflix telling us lot (who already new it was going to blow) is NOT going to hurt their property.In fact, I don't know about any of you but i always feel more inclined to go to a film if I hear it is really really shit than if I hear it is just very average.I couldn't wait to see Batman and Robin when I read the review wheras Ghost Rider I can't be arsed with cuz all I heard was that it is very bland.
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Yours is an innacurate analolgy. It wasn't that he bashed the film, it's that he SHOULDN'T have been talking about it in the first place. I deal with NDAs all the time (that's NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS). If I spilled the beans about stuff anywhere, it would be my ass. Point is, Memflix knew he shouldn't talk about it. Fox flipped out. They had every right to. SMACKFU has the most correct assessment of anyone here yet. Clearly he's one of the few around here with any idea how companies, marketing, and contracts work.
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"89 minutes. PERFECT. In and out and take the kids to Chuck E Cheese."- from the above review....
For anyone who knows just how badly this whole property is being destroyed, those words in particular will be proof positive of how low the makers of this film have aimed. And in terms of Galactus, to say it again-
We have not had a true epic representation of a "giant" since the days of Ray Harryhausen. What was old is so waiting to become new it's a joke. Let's get this straight. You will always, always have people who think a giant in purple cannot be done well (and God forbid we design him to look even better than ever and use whatever colors the artists wish- its is called production design). There are just as many who thought hobbits would never ever work well, remember? Or Doctor Octopus- just a silly comic creation of a guy with a Moe Howard haircut in sunglasses with robot arms and a trench coat! Anyone here remember how Superman's costume would never work in a movie? It gets so sad to hear these people who lack the ability to BELIEVE and make the character LIVE spouting their "wisdom". They never know what they are missing and they never will. Did it ever occur to them that a "space cloud" has been done to death and has become standard science fiction fodder? Let's all welcome "V-Ger" again folks, which almost sunk the Star Trek film franchise before it got started. Be honest all of you, which line would you be in, the one for the movie of a space cloud that attacks NYC, or the movie which features a gigantic vampire-like titan destroying the cities? I know which line I'd be in! A side note, thank God for Spike Jones doing Where The Wild Things Are. Tim Story would have Bernie Mac and Cedric the Entertainer grinning in the moonlight!
This Fantastic Four sitcom will earn it's modest money and fill those Chuck E. Cheeses, and that is the worst we can do to our beloved heroes and characters from the past, in any medium. I've never read a Tim Story interview where he did not speak in terms of marketing and age groups. Where are you, Walter Mosley, who wrote such a great essay called Maximum FF?
To hear effects being saved by having Johnny Storm use the powers of the team to fight the Surfer. So sad when we should see 4 of them taking their abilities to the max. And how often must we suffer removing the character faces to ensure we see the true actors faces? Ultimately, nobody under 30 is going to suspect they've been had, that a greater movie was waiting to blow them all away. The above mentioning of Chuck E. Cheese had me remembering how I felt that's what this film was going to be several months ago, so I leave you with what I said then. Allow an illustrator(for the past 20 years)who was long ago influenced to draw at a young age by the work of Jack Kirby and others to speak a bit. I am by no means a "comic geek" or "fanboy" (In other words I don't find Alba remotely talented and when I brought up her name with a casting director friend of mine at dinner, she of course laughed and claimed her "horrible"). The sad truth is found if one merely skims through "44 Years of Fantastic Four" on DVD Rom. Other than when John Byrne worked on the title, Marvel comics gave their flagship series to hacks to constantly reinvent, time after time. No one seemed able to follow in Lee and Kirby/ Buscema's footsteps (small wonder with the "talent" chosen). Take a look and you'll see some of the worst art and writing in the history of comics and illustration during the 80's through the 90's. New people came and went through the revolving door, changing at will the comics storyline (remember Alicia marrying Johnny?). The comic became a "Love Boat" for last chance characters Marvel wanted to keep alive (anyone remember Ms. Marvel on the team? For a year?). They even tried titillation with Sue Richards as the new leader of the team, dressed in white stockings and huge cleavage. It was grimace inducing and I had forgotten just how wretched the magazine became. I was sorry to rediscover this in gory detail (often, only 2 original members were even in the comic!). In other words, Marvel, for a very long time, has woefully forgotten how truly wonderful the first 130ish issues were, how they led the field along with Spider-man. No one since has been able to get inside the heads of the characters and take them forward again. At the very least, we all have those wonderful 12 years or so when it was something to look forward to---that next issue. Now the latest regime at Marvel has been very fortunate to have Raimi and his producers, and the great Alvin Sargent no less, to be the custodians of Spider-man in film, but it seems only luck for them was involved after seeing their choices for FF. Fantastic four should be given to people who respect the material just as much as Raimi's team does their icon, and take each character and villian as a challenge to bring faithfully to the screen (check out Chris Reeve in the new Superman box DVD--- in the vintage special for the first Supes movie, he gives a textbook example of how to commit to playing a legendary comic character). Adaptation is not castration of the imagination, and there was a reason this was the best selling comic of it's time. Within the universe of the FF, buildings shook, worlds within worlds were discovered, and a titan straight out of mythology came down from the skies to destroy the planet, and this group of characters, absolutely vulnerable and scared like everyone around them, battled against it all with New York City as the stage. You want someone to see this, to feel it and understand it, not glance at it and proclaim it unusable with today's audience. Did Raimi do that with Dr. Octopus--- a guy with crazy arms sticking out of his ribs and sunglasses beneath a Moe Howard cut? Now he is real to you as a flesh and blood movie character because Raimi did the work so well. He had the imagination, as did a devoted actor sincerely portraying him and they obviously had the respect to the source material that thrilled so many, young and old. Raimi has brought out characters this team behind FF would change in every way until they were either scrapped or were totally unrecognizable. Where is the writer of quality to bring FF to the screen like an Alvin Sargent? Does anyone in this talkback read books? Know who Walter Mosely is? Know that he shares the same opinion about the FF? Has anyone in the cast or crew even been given his book "Maximum FF"? I know absolutely he would write a script for the FF without hesitation. (Mosley's Easy Rawlins was adapted faithfully by Carl Franklin). So let this latest sad enterprise make 100 million for the "date crowd". That is all Marvel and Tim Story are aiming for. They are not making the FF for it's fans. They are making 2 hours of Chuckee Cheese equivalent "filmed entertainment". They are making marketing. They are not interested in ambition, or scope, or history. They don't even know their role as custodians. It is almost a deconstruction going on (one look at their version of the Thing and you can see how they really don't like the look of the comic characters and are fighting them tooth and nail.) The worst part, beyond sticking it to Kirby's vision, is that with the story of Galactus, one of the most memorable to come out of comics, a wonderful knock your socks off "Independence Day meets Superman" style film could have been made. It would have thrilled so many more who never read the comic, but go to the movie theater in the summer to escape into wonderment. They will never see that movie now and never know what they missed, because Tim Story, and Marvel cannot see it in their heads. (this just in, they cave in to pressure to make Doom's jaw move like so many artists did in the past, Hell, even the 60's cartoon did instead of the "power ranger effect----poor Doom). At this point, Pray for the Watchmen to be made right. I hear it is even safe to take a popcorn covered date along. -
Bronx Cheer definitely has a brain, too.
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and you won't hear a word out of me about them. Because that would be wrong, and I can keep a fucking secret. I'm not four years old and have to prove how cool I am because guess what I saw!!!!!1shift1
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That and the fact that FOX probably hates this site and Harry. That probably tipped the scales over against Memflix.
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Playkins,Barry--good points I reckon--just seemed like the big bad suit beating down some kid who was just voicing an opinion but no, I suupose y'all are right. Sorry for the knee jerk quasi socialist defense of the "little guy". Glad y'all were gracious and I was spared the vociferous virtriol that gets rained down on folks here it seems--especially first time posting and all. Read many of y'all's posts and nice to meet you. It is a business afterall
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I hear you man, I really do.
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Vendettas are a bitch. You bad mouth the big guys long enough (wrong or right) and they'll eventually come gunning for you. That's why Mori's got massive stones. Fox could really make waves for him. Ultimately though, the film biz needs scripts, and it looks like Mori's got the goods.
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Glitter...but I work at Blockbuster and could get fired if I told you it was shit.
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I have been seriously thinking of renting it!
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If I did, I would be doing something with my life, instead of trying to cut my throat with my Ace pocket comb. It burns but that's about it.
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Alright. Here's how we could make some money. Let's make The Bible into a movie. People love religion, so we'll make billions. And we don't have to spend much on special FX. We'll just turn Jesus into a cloud. Box office gold, baby.
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He did it to protect his property so the ending wouldn't be spoiled. Memflix was trashing a movie he didn't like, but what if he was revealing spoilers that might ruin the film or make people less likely to see it.
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So give it up! What's in your "employees picks"?
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I would like to hear from him in the talkback. I respect his thoughts (he is far and away the best contributor to AICN) and would like to hear his response to those that disagree.
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And I'd say 90 minutes for a breezy comic book flick is a good run time. Whoever started the idea that movies like this need to be 140 minutes...well, that someone needs an ass-kicking. It's like what happened to rock-n-roll songs. The perfect song is three minutes thirty seconds max! I don't need every damned song to be an epic. Nor do I need every damned film to approach three fours! That's bullshit!
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Studios present The Bible. Starring Shia Leboef as GOD. El Nino as Jesus. And Jesica Alba as the virgin Mary. Brillant. Just brillant.
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Greenhouse called everyone fuckers at the end of his review. Sounds like an angry studio plant to me.
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Good times.
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Did you just compare the Bible to the Fantastic Four!?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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invalidated your review with that statement. Hey, Galactus would've looked fine, it's part of that lost art called EDITING.
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Greenhouse was shouting down the plant accusations, not everyone. Besides, Greenie can call me whatever he/she wants...I can take it. Except for stupid. That hurts my feelings.
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read the Memflix said He did not sign any form of NDA.
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Don't you think Diablo would be a kick ass villain for this franchise, which is going to continue after this abortion of a movie?
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but then run in fear at the thought of the Planet Eater in the same colors. Granted, the original character design is a little goofy, but so are a lot of comic book designs, and I get used to them. It's about the story, not the pants. Unless its The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.
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Memflix doesn't work on films, he works in a cinema. He never signed a thing. He said so himself.I never said he shouldn't have lost his job, i said the cinema where fair in that they where only protecting their business.It is FOX who are the assholes, they tried to save face over a bad film by attacking one little guy and it has just made them look worse.The point of this site is that when a film is bad studios try and keep the fact underwraps till it comes out so it won't efect their takings.If a film is good and someone leaks a review then everyone is happy.If a film is bad and the studio leave press screenings till the last posible moment and someone gets in a review proving this fact then it is a positive thing for us film fans.
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superhero movies with characters dressed and acting like superheroes, maybe superhero movies are not for you!
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Didn't see that before. Nice work.
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Who did we say we wanted?
James Marsters or Aaron Eckart as Hal Jordan?
Omar Epps or "that guys from Heroes?... which makes me wonder if you all meant Leonard Roberts (DL) or Jimmy Jean-Louis (Haitian) as Jon Stewart. Personally I like the Haitian.
Ricky Ulman as Kyle Raynor?... I don't think anyone mentioned anybody else.
Ron Pearlman as Kilowog. I mean it if you can think of anyone better you let me know.
Now we talked a lot about who would play Guy Gardner and I think people threw out names like Matt Damon which led us to an Oceans 11 GL movie which you all know would have sucked, but I think ultimately the best choice would be Alan Tyduk.
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Don't you need someone to fill in while your on your Honey's moon
Could it be ...Memflix.. -
Friends of Story. In London this time, not LA.
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Just to add-- I'd take an 89 minute excellent film, or a 189 minute one. That was not the point. Film itself is not commercial, any more than blank canvas or tape. It's what the artist does with it which determines what it will become. There is a huge difference between "Mac and Me" and "E.T". I'm sure that every single person here knows what that is. You've got nothing but commercial product? You've got nothing.
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sue the fuck out of fox
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defies the whole point of this site.Spies are only bad if your film is bad and you are trying to cover up this fact.This site was built on 2 films:Titanic: everyone thought it was going to stink, Harry saw it early said it was great and some might say secured the early word fortunes of the film.Batman and Robin: was hidden away till the last moment, Harry got in a very early review and made somwhat of a dent in a film that is so bad people should have been shot over it.
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word is Tony Jaa is in talks to play Kato.
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but there's plenty of blame to spread around. I'd seen scripts this year for most of the episodes for a much-beloved TV show's final season, yet signed no NDA because they were given to me by someone who knows someone etc, but I didn't come on here running my mouth. That would have been fucked up. I don't need someone to tell me right from wrong. I could have spilled all sorts of negative gossip about a film that's coming out some time in the next year but that would have been childish and unethical because it was a closed set. I didn't sign an agreement, but I know better. I don't need to be told not to stick my hand in the fire. I know the fire burns.
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I second that B.S.B.
I see a ferver developing over this...Sweeping over the talkback like a cloud of space debris..
MEMFLIX Do you hear the crowd..
They're behind you boy..
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I sugested the Oceans 11 version as a joke. It was only so we could have a casino in space and therfore have 'space-dollars'.I really can't wait till 2010 or maybe 2011 when we all use space-dollars and argue about films on the space-internet on our space-computers.
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are commercial products just like toasters. Film is not an art like painting. It's a collaborative medium, much like shipbuilding. You have to have plans, materials, and leadership with vision, and there have been amazing works or art that have come out of the process. But let's not get all misty about filmmaking. It's commerce, Doc, big business that Fox et al do. They ain't no freaking artists.
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I know... but even as a joke you know the film would be just plain awful. So, let's see how long it takes for some dipshit exec to suggest it.
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They're both plants.
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"It is FOX who are the assholes, they tried to save face over a bad film by attacking one little guy and it has just made them look worse."
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about comic book characters, then make the damned movie about them and their stories. It'd be like taking "Sophie's Choice" and changing the location to Florida and making her a short Cuban maid. If the damned people wear tights, then tights it shall be.
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Eckhart was never suggested for GL. It was James Marsden. Eckhart should be either Captain America or Green Arrow. I suggested Taye Diggs for Jon Stewart and Cole Hauser for Guy Gardner which is the best idea ever and personally, I think I should be a casting agent, but that's just me.
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about revealing secrets of a TV show or negative reports from a film set.This site only posts objective views of info they get from film sets. Us talkbackers do the negative work there.FOX had finished FF:ROTSS and when someone saw it a week before anyone else and said what it was like they flipped.We are talking about someone talking about a finished film, that shouldn't be a problem unless they have something to be ashamed of.
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But to go to this degree is of course over the top.
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difficult and needs a person with very clear vision in charge. Although more difficult it is easier to control with smaller films, when they get big it can easily get out of control.
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I think so... yes.... yes I do.
I dunno, I like the idea of Eckhart as Hal. Don't get me wrong I like Marsden, but he was Cyclops and that other guy in Superman. I just don't think he needs another superhero movie. Though the same could be said for Eckhart as well now that he's Harvey Dent.
Sorry to say about Hauser, but there is just something that bothers me about him. I don't think he'd work... maybe it's just me.
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irksome, which is what Guy Gardner is. Guy Gardner is not cool, he's a nightmare.
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I think what Bronx is saying is that while film is an artform it will always be connected to money. If you are a musician, writter or painter you can make art of any scope with next to no money.Even the smallest films require thousands and that cannot be escaped from.Even the most artistic director has to be aware that he needs to keep someone in a suit happy to a degree.But some directors just let the man in the suit fuck them up the arse.
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hey pjdon, did you ever watch Veronica Mars?
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you are not a filmmaker. You might direct, or act, or write, or art direct, but there are too many different roles in the process to give anyone credit for the final product. Tim Story isn't the maker of FF2. So many people ignore the vital role of the producer, or the writer(s). I write that it is not an art like painting. I wrote that it is a collaborative medium like shipbuilding. There's no dishonor in that. My god, look at some of the finest sailing ships, absolute works of art that come from a collaborative process. Who get the credit for a fine ship, the guy cuts the wood or the gal who slaps on the varnish?
The motion picture itself is a very interesting and cagey beast, and we can argue forever about the medium and its nature, but I would suggest we drop the illusion that what Universal does is the same as what Errol Morris does. So when I say that studio films are commercial products, how is that inaccurate? It doesn't mean that some are not amazing, it's a simple statement of fact. They produce those films to make a profit. They turn them out into the marketplace to generate revenue. In that sense, they are no different from Van Gogh. He traded paintings for rent and food, and he was a great great artist. But he didn't have 300 people toiling on his canvas for 18 months. -
there is something irksome about him, but gut is also funny.
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so, he's probably telling the truth.
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character because DC ran out of GL story ideas.
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and even the greats Leonardo di Vinci, Michaelagelo, and the other ninja turtles, created some of their masterpieces for MONEY!!! So if some studio exec is giving me millions of dollars to make a film for them, then I'm gonna be a Yes man, and do what they ask me. And studio films are going to dissapoint a lot of people, it can't be helped, but there's always the joy of independent films, and then there is the art for that is foreign films. You want to watch an incredible movie, Go watch Pan's Labrynth.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/32965#comment_1562903
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but if he's used right in a movie then it would be totally worth it to tell a great story. That is if someone can write a great story.
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all, it's likely this film will be an improvement and it may even be entertaining.
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I agree with everything BronxCheer said. While I do think FOX overreacted with the threats, the theatre chain certainly didn't. I don't think there was any 'paper' that Memfilx signed stating that he wouldn't talk, but common sense should have been enough. Especially when you have a blog/website, with your actual name on it making you a sitting duck AFTER you decide to post on a HIGH PROFILE site. If he just posted it on his own blog, he might not have been nailed. Stupid.
Screenings are very political for theatre chains. You mess up a screening by having a brainwrap, bad speaker, etc., then you may never get one again. The studios will take the screenings to the new theatre down the block. So it's critical that the theatre hosting the screening has a TRUSTED reputation. Memflix just ruined his theatre's reputation. Regardless of whether he liked the film or not. Trade screenings are done well in advance of the film to allow corporate/exhibition lackeys a chance to see it early. Press screening are maybe a week ahead. Why don't journalist post their reviews right away? B/c they are being ethical and waiting to the Friday of release like the studios want. InstantClassic said it was the studios fault for not sending the print in locked cans before the show. 1) Are we sure they didn't and Memflix just watched the screening as it took place. 2) Memflix is the reason theatres have to suffer through the crap that is locked cans arriving 1.5 hours before the screening, thus robbing staffs of said theatres from enjoying an early screening the night before.
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product and independent filmmaking. While it does cost quite a bit to complete a film, with modern technology, one person can actually make his or her own film. Look at some of the great work being down by the avante guard, and look at that lovely little film (DAMN! I cannot remember the title) that young man made about his mother's illness. So for me it's not so much about the money as the process.
Warhol's a good example in the fine art world. Or Dale Chihuly. Most of what people see as Chihuly's work is created by others, but it's his vision that drives the process. We shouldn't get hung up on semantics.
In sum...Fox = Teh Suckage. Memflix = Best regards, and keep writing. AICN = NEED.MORE.ROTH! Flames on Optimus = Flames on Optimus. -
I feel corporate slime on my keyboard.
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"There is no way that a big purple helmeted warrior works on screen - unless you're Ron Jeremy."
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If we are to believe the voices like Bronx Cheer, then no collaborative work can be art, today or yesterday. Right there is the modern rational of the bad studio exec in it's beautiful short glory. There goes the Beatles music, Dylan and the Band....Good lord. Do I really need to remind us all of the top films on IMDB? There are so many artists in film, books and many many mediums today working hard to make something better than this Fantastic Four sitcom. I know them and I am proud to work with them.
Why do we read this site? Many of us? Is it because we love simply any film that gets spat out of Hollywood and has free toys in a happy meal? Or do we treasure the effort of those who can write, direct and act? The illustrators who design the storyboards to ensure greater visuals (and too many more to mention). The people who are trying to make art and make money as a result. It still happens (Bless you,"Knocked Up") but we could have so much more if we defeat the horrible mentality that treats "Raiders of the Lost Ark" as nothing more than Cannon film's rip off "King Solomon's Mines" (=Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer). If you want only a date movie, or a movie that serves as a babysitter, why read this site at all? Aren't we here because we are passionate about filmmaking? Great Filmmaking? For many of us, few things are as satisfying as collaboration in art, whether it makes money or not. The Sopranos would not have been the series it was if this were not true, and able to be tried by everyone if they just demanded more of themselves. -
Thank you. You and many others bring a lot of class to these discussions by rising above the fray. And not only that, but I must add that you are Bringing Sexy Back.
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Sorry you lost your job, memflix, but it is well within your employer's rights.
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that The Secret is a crappy book. Not at work, mind you, but at home on my computer. Does that give Barnes & Noble the right to fire me? I think not. BTW, The Secret is that Moriarty controls the universe with his feelings.
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Memflix got shafted, but with the whole internet anynimoty (sp?) thing, I'll go with a moniker like "Dum Guy", so it'll be next to impossible to know who I am... but then again I'm no-one important.
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used shipbuilding as a metaphor then said how beautiful the finished product is. It is just not one person's vision directly translated, that's all.
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..people get canned for the shit they put on MySpace, so corporations will fuck whoever they can, customer or employee.
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was..Everyone who is declaring memflix wrong comes to the site for the very thing he was trying to provide...fucking hypocrites..
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Come on Harry, you gots clout!
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What if this Memflix just has it out for the movie and says this shit so people feel bad for him and then don't see the movie?
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But even then I doubt it.I think its a fact that The Secret is garbage.
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not the non-news released two weeks late.
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I believe the product of the filmmaking process can definitely reach artistic heights, but I reserve the right to call the process itself an art form. I feel very strongly that filmmaking is a craft, like cabinet making. This does not denigrate either form. It also does not elivate "art" above film or cabinets.
This abstract from Wiki spells it out clearly for me:
Art is a (product of) human activity, made with the intention of stimulating the human senses as well as the human mind and/or spirit; thus art is an action, an object, or a collection of actions and objects created with the intention of transmitting emotions and/or ideas. Beyond this description, there is no general agreed-upon definition of art, since defining the boundaries of 'art' is subjective, but the impetus for art is often called human creativity.
An artwork is normally assessed in quality by the amount of stimulation it brings about. The impact it has on people, the number of people that can relate to it, the degree of their appreciation, and the effect or influence it has or has had in the past, all accumulate to the 'degree of art.' Most artworks that are widely considered to be 'masterpieces' possess these attributes.
"Something is not generally considered 'art' when it stimulates only the senses, or only the mind, or when it has a different primary purpose than doing so. However, some contemporary art challenges this idea.
"As such, something can be deemed art in totality, or as an element of some object. For example, a painting may be a pure art, while a chair, though designed to be sat in, may include artistic elements. Art that has less functional value or intention may be referred to as fine art, while objects of artistic merit which serve a functional purpose may be referred to as craft. Paradoxically, an object may be characterized by the intentions (or lack thereof) of its creator, regardless of its apparent purpose; a cup (which ostensibly can be used as a container) may be considered art if intended solely as an ornament, while a painting may be deemed craft if mass-produced."
I'm not putting down filmmaking, nor am I belittling films. Movies are one of the most amazing and effective amalgams of craft and technology ever established. It's why I love the medium. -
a bunch of moody/psycho/drug addicted narcissists.
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The aneurysm inducing ulcer-ific talkbacks!!!
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I have been a projectionist since 1996. In this time I have done press screenings for about a third of the films that have come out. A press screening is a viewing of a film weeks(sometime months) before its release for the local (up to 200 miles away) critics. I have witnessed critics promise a good review in exchange for special treatment (time of screening, guests and private screenings). One critic even made up scenes in a movie that were not there, and bashed it. Tools, all of them. Get real jobs. It is very much a brotherhood and it sickens me. They say what the studios and theaters want. A non-union projectionist makes about $10 an hour after many years on the job. This is about 97% of all projectionists in the United States. Guess who prepares the print on opening day. Who mantains the projector for quality presentation day after day. Who fixes a print when a splice breaks ( a splice lasts about 6 weeks when done right in the first place). The projectionist, thats who. All of hollywoods shit rests on the shoulders of a person who hardly makes enough money to pay rent. This is the bottom line. Projectionists, as a group can make a HUGE dent in the wallets of hollywood if given a reason. Hey hollywood, seen FIGHT CLUB? That scene of Tyler fuckin with a Disney print is spot fuckin on. Your call.
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Now, if you want hypotheticals-
If you worked at Barnes & Noble, and happened upon an opened case of the 7th "Harry Potter" book a few weeks before it was out, and then wrote a spoiler-filled review- THAT would be a little closer to the situation. And I ASSURE YOU THAT B&N would CAN YOUR ASS. Why? Because if not, they would risk losing distribution for Scholastic (Scholastic does Potter, right?) which could cost them MILLIONS. The distinction is that this is property that is not released to mass-market yet. I can't show any production art I've done for films or games that haven't been released. Not only that, but alot of times I can't show it AFTER it's released, as an NDA will sometimes stipulate. -
http://tinyurl.com/2h9zaq She needs to get the stripper tats removed, though.
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I feel sorry for the guy, I really do, but every third graders knows, you simply don't fuck with your boss, or your bosses boss. Even if he didn't sign anything, it's only common sense he's not gonna get a promotion after those reviews. I hate fox as much as the next guy, but come on. And now you all hope the movie is shitter than it is, even though all evidence points to the contrary. What the hell is that all about?
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But how did they track him down? Did everyone know him in the theater as Memflix? can someone help clarify this ?
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I can see why Memflix would be fired BUT at the same time it would have not happened if Fox had not gone after him. I would have gone to the movie regardless of what another person said but due to Fox's action to go as low as to have an individual terminated, I have decided NOT TO PAY FOR ANY FOX Entertainment for the rest of the year.
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We were suckered by the appealing advertising of the first one. Bad reviews or not, The first one looked fun. Then we beheld the stool of Satan with our own eyes. It won't happen this time. FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!
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of the reviewer which was on his website.
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All the other stuff, sure, but a narcissist? Never. I'm too devilishly good-looking to be considered a narcissist. My mirror tells me I'm right.
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But they treat writers like shit.
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I gotta say Memflix should have just stayed anonymous. Memflix I feel bad you're unemployed I really do. Unemployment is terrible, but they have a point.
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They have to execute and changes are made, but that person still signs off on it. With Hollywood, you have lots of competing visions, especially with the rise of the celebrity everything.
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What's interesting is the architect can always point to his/her plans and say, This is my art. But it's a somewhat empty act if not executed.
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I agree Superninja, those tats actually brought her down a level for me but she's still effing hot. I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers.
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It's not like writing in your blog that something sucks. There was a breach in this case.
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mouth I've never seen her act before. Doesn't she remind you of a young Jennifer Connolly? Connolly is classier, of course. What is wrong with these pretty girls and all the stripper tats? Daddy issues.
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Sopranos did. The last 20 pages are blank. Then you get pissed off thinking you got a misprinted book when in fact the blank pages are the ending. SWEET!
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...good ole Walter B himself is still defending the suits @ Fox and trying to convince us to give a pass to the PG-13 Live Spayed or Die Neutered...
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You know what? I kinda have a problem with this little tart. Look at her: Do you really think this girl would be hanging out with average-looking guys. Shia is not very handsome. He's average. This chick is almost TOO GOOD LOOKING to be believable as just some random school girl. Transformers is set in LA or SoCal, right? What are the chances that a girl who looks like this would walk around without being picked up by a talent scout? And as far as the stripper tats go, the girl is engaged to David Silver, for Chrissakes. If you X-rayed her head you'd probably see a kitten batting a ball of yarn around.
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regardless of everything aside, I plan on watching Fantastic Four 2 in theaters, why? Because it has the Silver Surfer in it. Maybe it will suck, I hope it won't, I'm not going in with super high expectations, so i'll probably enjoy it, but if I don't oh well, i think it's worth at least a morning matinee
so are you a fan of the DOCTOR? I'm assuming you know WHO, I'm talking about. I love the show, and can't wait for the current series to begin airing in the states, I believe July 6th, so I don't have that long to wait.
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Ouch !! Watch the kung fu grip
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Regardless whether he did a no-no, losing your job sucks. And the infraction was not equal to the punishment that Fox hath wrought. Not if they allow the other "positive" spoiler-filled reviews to go unchecked. That's the height of hypocrisy.
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rec from TF, he is out, trust me. Girls in SoCal are not that pretty. They are skinny generally, though. Texas girls are prettier.
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You should damn well cover your tracks. I feel bad about Memflix losing his job, but really, what did he expect?
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They Canceled Firefly, they canceled wonderfalls, they produce american idol season after season, they canceled Futurama... FOX=BASTARDS
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I don't know what to think. But im sticking to my guns, if Galactus's suit err i mean cloud has nipples count me out.
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I come here for you people and Mori. I could give a shit about these so-called scoops. In this business, so much is bullshit served on a platter, the PR machine is so vast and insidious, you can't trust anything to be "genuine," so I ginore all that crap. All I want to know is when the hell I can see Iron Man.
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"Ooops." "Come on!" Hehehe Rubber Thing and Bic lighter are funny. Tis moovee wiill ruuul.
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it's a top tier property getting second tier treatment. I saw the "cloud" in a commercial. I can live with it, but there should have been a way to give us the classic version without compromising the real world quality of the film. That said, Alba as a blonde white ... how is that any stranger than a planet eating giant dude with a badass helmet.
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how we could do it better. I come here for that, and also BECAUSE WE ARE RIGHT. Where is the POWER COSPMIC WHEN YOU NEED IT?
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In the clearest sense of being an artist, anything that an artist deems as art is art. If I choose to piss and shit on a Bible, then I can say it is a form or art. Is that good art? No. The argument isn't valid to say if film-makers are artist only = by their involvment... to say that would be to say the Kevin Smith's "Clerks" (financed, by him and semi-starring him) is more of a piece of "art" as to say, "Apocalypse Now", since Smith was more involved. And let's be honest now, most people are narcissist in our "Modern" world, be it suicidal-bombers bent on getting it on with 72 virgins, or the common asshole who thinks the world revolves around him/her.
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See my remarks above. :D
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and not one of you screamed "foul." And my god it was breathtaking. Talk about a nippy hard-on. We're talking cast iron, baby.
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If he was screening it for people, how did they know that "memflix" wasn't someone in the audience.One of the coolest things about AICN from the beginning has been that "spies" can go about their business without their identities being revealed. What happened here?
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Do you know how hard it is to say that? Fox used to be my favorite studio. They brought us Star Wars, Alien, Aliens, and pretty much most of James Cameron's films. Now look at them. I cannot believe how much I dislike the company now. Rothman is to blame, and I hope he dies a mean, lonely, pathetic, painful, painful, painful death. What a miserable human being he must be. Fuck you!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's a serious trail of popcorn...leading right to the projection booth.
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The new film starring Chris Cooper as the renegade double agent movie projectionist a.k.a. Memflix, and Ryan Phillipe as a FOX studio executive sent in to bring him down. SWEET!
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torture poor memflix. Bastards.
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I always thought that they looked like hairdressers who ate celery three meals a day. I dunno, girls in NorCal are hipster STD dumps...I guess just don't like California in general, except my relatives. They're cool.
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I remember someone, possibly Tim Story, stating that die hard fans will be satisfied with Galactus. I don't know what that guy was smoking when he said that, but I don't want any.
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I laughed my ass off at that kitten/yarn comment. Well done.
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I know what you're talking about, Bronx, but on the other hand... Do you consider every studio film made by Martin Scorsese (which is everyone since Boxcar Bertha) not a film made by Scorsese? In this sense, does Scorsese not qualify as a filmmaker? But Robert Rodriguez who wrote, produced, directed, shot, edited, and marketed "El Mariachi" is a filmmaker? Film is a collaborative art most of the time, but it can also be a solo art. What makes someone the author of a film, and thus deserving of such titles as "film made by" or "directed by" or "a Joe Director picture" is the overriding vision. Screenwriter Richard Price once described a director as a "bullshit detector", meaning the director doesn't necessarily create everything, but everything has to get past him/her. Under a lesser director, the dinosaurs in "Jurassic Park" might have been less than wonderful. Granted, Fox kind of knew what they wanted when they hired Tim Story to direct FF. And once Story was on board, it was his vision that guided the filmmaking process. And what we got was a Tim Story film. There was no particularly overwhelming visual style. The film seemed to focus more on comedic/dramatic inter-character exchanges like previous Tim Story films. The film seemed to lack the familiar old Marvel FF super-cosmic feel, and had more of a street level quality to it, much like previous Story films. And don't you think the casting of a latina as Sue Storm and a black girl as Alicia Masters had a bit to do with Tim Story himself being black? What I'm saying is, just because it's a mega-budget commercial film doesn't mean there still isn't a singular artistic vision behind the whole project, otherwise, said commercial films would truly be "all over the place." While not on the exact level of Errol Morris' "Brief History of Time", Fantastic Four is still definitely a Tim Story film.
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After finding out more information I feel memflix has a case against fox and should sue THEM. IF it's true that he indeed did not sign then he has a case. Sue the Theatre for wrongfully firing him and sue FOX for ruining his career. DUDE...do it.
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in this TB and so far have resisted the urge to go all CAPS on y'all and make nonsense (more than I already have). Must retrain self...just say no to the COSMPIC POWER.
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....in his blog ".....I am guilty of watching a movie, not liking it, and writing about it. The more i think about it, the more it is clear that this entire mess is a case of 2 corporations violating my right to free speech......", - which is, of course, clearly the biggest pile of dog shit this side of Jersey. So let me get this straight; this guy was hired as a screener, which would presumably afford him the opportunity to see advance screenings of movies before their release, and which in turn would logically infer some sort of Non-Disclosure Agreement (that's NDA for you little tots) or a silence arrangement between the Theater and the Studios:- he breaks that agreement (regardless of whether his review was good or bad; or whether Fox would have acted if it had been a good review; neither here nor there), the Theater fires him, as a partial resolution to the threat of losing the rest of Fox's line-up of Summer and Fall movies ( which include Die Hard 4 among others), when Fox voice their displeasure ( a fully justifiable threat in light o the fact that this "Crime" is not that different from a projectionist taking an advanced copy and uploading it onto the internet - it's called protecting your business interests - Memflx was merely stupid enough to get caught). One would have to presume that a suspension, demotion or complete job loss would have to been included, or at least implied,in their NDA, as a potential consequence of violation. So, where exactly is the problem here? And how does "Free Speech" factor into any of this? Especially when that "speech" was expressly NOT Free and in essence contractually constricted. In other words, Memflix, you're not guilty of watching a film and not liking it, as you whine in our blog. You're guilty of screwing up at the most basic aspect of your job. That the theater would not re-hire you as a screener is obviously supported by the fact that you've proven yourself incompetent at performing at that position in a manner that wouldn't threaten your employers ability to operate profitably or even to be trusted by other Studios to handle their properties; and furthermore, and in essence, threaten your fellow employees livelyhood while at it. So go whine it to the birds or something. And all you pathetic AICNers calling for a boycott of Fox's movies and who are still going to be bitching about how FF2 sucked on Monday morning or Saturday or Friday evening for that matter-after you've watched it, no less, and after you watch Die Hard 4 later this summer - find some better use for your hollow threats and......oh yeah,.....don't waste our frakking time with bullcrap.
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You have a very easy case, my friend. Cash in.
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should be in the next FF movie. He knows alchemy, I tells you! ALCHEMY!
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He's one of many great directors who keeps a world-class editor in his team. Editing is where it all happens. The cut, man, that's everything. And the Word.
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That would be fucking hilarious. Rowling would have to have a set of brass boulders to do that, hahaha!
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Our time? Man, this TB is PLANTASTIC! FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!FUCK FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It must 'ave been a little wizard!
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Peace.
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Never had any intention on seeing this.Never saw the first one till it came on HBO.Never had any intention on seeing DH4.And I wouldnt call for a boycott due to what happened to Mem.Id call on all of you to boycott for not even trying on the first FF ,and now for rubbing our nose in this sequel...Dr Doom on the surfboard.Johnny is the super skrull.Galactus is a cloud.The argument can be made again if your own personal taste allowed you to enjoy X3.But it cannot be made they didnt stay true to the comics.
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I have to be brief I'm leaving for home in 15 minutes. Butme and my girlfriend had a discussion about supoorting black actors when I expressed my opinion on seeing a Oceans 13 movie and went borderline Dennis Millar, and that brings me to you story I always felt proud of black film makers but you sir are the worste piece sludge I have ever witnessed not so much for making a bad movie even Spielberg has his flops but this piss poor attempt at damage control. It's really pathetic. Your disgrace to your profession. The 1 will see you guys in a hour.
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because Cali girls are generally ho-bags or because I think that out of all outdated scientific disciplines alchemy rules the roost?
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yeah thats it!! Then we can get Jorge Garcia to play Harry Knowles
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I want Atlantean invasion with Namor and Attuma. OR Annihilus and the Inhumans.
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Thelma Schoonmaker learned the technical craft of editing from a television station and a summer editing class at NYU, but she learned the art of editing from fellow NYU student/movie encyclopedia Martin Scorsese. Thelma will tell you that herself.
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Don't Stop Believing....Just a small town girl....
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the studio heads at FOX the script "Threat Level: Midnight" that Michael Scott wrote in "The Office", they'd greenlight it.
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you. The problem is all the atheists think they are too cool for that kind of stuff now.
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In the last 11 years I have been SHOWN a paper concerning the PIRATING of a screening to be cause for dismissal ONCE (matrix reloaded), nothing signed. No way can someone be fired for expressing a OPINION on a film, good or bad, without signing a document expressly stating otherwise.
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because he's a diabolical...alchemist. Yeah, you heard me, he uses alchemy. Just like a 16th century Porteguese mortician would. Watch your ass. I think he should be in the next movie. He could, I don't know, mix gunpowder with eye of Newt or some shit.
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or activists or celebutantes. Lots of nosejobs and implants.
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ing that is for professionals and not for the general public? Hmmm, yeah, the judge will probably go with your thing, projectionist guy.
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Because that really happened in the comics.
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Yeah, being from the Midwest, I was two pragmatic to move to San Fran. I looked at the city and thought, "Why would I live in a city that's built on steep inclines, on a fault, where the weather sucks, and it costs $1000/month to live in a closet?" So...I stayed in Minneapolis; waiting for a good job offering in Chi-Town, dammit.
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was enough. The people are rude. I like Little Italy, though.
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They could represent Mem for free.
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Fox, though. He could name Fox, but Fox was not his employer - the end.
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Memflix's lawsuit.
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I've read one FF comic. In it, the "new" FF (Spider-Man, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, and The Hulk) fought the FF because Johnny stirred some shit up. In the end, Wolvie accidentally slashes the shit out of Ben's face. I'm not really into them, but I get their vibe and I know that the first movie was way off target. I guess I get the "spirit" of the properties, which is why the huge Greco-Roman clusterfuck that is the Transformers script turned me off from that movie. The designs? Couldn't care less. If the character are given short shrift (esp. Starscream) than, well, them some fightin' words.
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has run out of ideas" FF.
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I know who the Doctor is and I just watched S03E10 "Blink" on BBC this past week. It was awesome.
This show is the most brilliant thing on TV.
Oh and would kick Ms. Fox out of bed, mostly because when I look at here I feel like I might get something from her.
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I think comics should ditch continuity and monthlies and just tell story arcs. If people like it enough continue for as long as demand requires. Continuity has not been worth crap since the early 80s. Which they just brought back over at DC.
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Ironically, this girl that I used to date, who had no "girl" friends in Minneapolis, moved to San Fran and now has friends. Of course, they all went to UCLA and they were in a sorority, but that's not a coincidence or anything. Snobby girl has no friends back home yet finds friends in San Fran...
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and shared blood in vials.
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I get the whole "we battle large cosmic threats (like Mephisto and his diaper wearing) and we're a family" vibe. I get the FF like I get Spider-Man and Batman.
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have random stories about a superhero, different genres, different age groups, actors etc.If studios tried this they wouldn't be as much at risk if one failed.
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The Watcher is in the movie? Does he have any purpose relating to the plot or is he just there for shits and giggles? Is there an ultimate nullifier? Friggin, this actually pisses me off more than when they just retcon the entire story. They think they're doing the fans a favor by throwing shit in that doesn't fit in their new version of it and it winds up sucking. Batman and Robin/ X3 shit.
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No motherfucking big Galactus means no pay for a ticket.
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I think X3 is a vastly superior film to Batman and Robin, but they both suffer from one of the same core problems. In Batman and Robin's case though, well, there were just sooooo many problems with that movie.
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I asked him why he got his head so much up his arse that he's only talking shit.
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they're all pretty well-heeled. I thrashed one of them; we were playing trivia at this bar and I was being cocky because I was running away with the round. The girl got pissed and said something about where I went to college. I had to explain to her that when you grow up in rural Minnesota, you don't think about Stanford, USC, and UCLA because that's a different world, just like when you're raised in Beverly Hills you don't think about Minnesota State University Moorhead or The U of M for that matter. She didn't really get it.
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when travelling in America a few years back I was lost in San Fran, I pulled my Oldsmobile Stationwagon over to the side of the road, wound down the window and asked some guy who was walking past where i was.He said:'I've no fuckin idea mate, i'm from Liverpool.'It was like being in LOST.
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I think people don't want to see films tell a story they've already read/seen unless there is something visually spectacular about it or that will add new dimension. People like Superman's origin story for its familiarity because of the archtypes, it just feels right, it's comforting. But Superman was first and they don't need to see that with every single superhero because its derivative of the original story. Most people want new stories with faithful characterization that are fun and honor the original intent of the character. If they could get just one superhero right you'd know what I meant. Reeve's Superman came pretty close, Reeve accomplished it himself.
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tons of Euros.
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I'd just like to see more one-off comic book movies.I think DKR would be a perfect starting point.
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Why start doing riffs on him, shouldn't they have to get the core myth correct first?
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that came before it. Frank Miller was building on the work of others.
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I thought "Begins" was okay. I mean, he's got daddy issues, he trains and shit, then he fights crime. Good enough for me.
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Jerks, firing someone for expressing their opinion. When I saw that you were Blue Ray exclusive I already figured, screw you. But now its a done deal.
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The Joker should be vaguely homosexual like he is in DKR, but not elderly.
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As far as the theatre chain goes, has Memflix even stated what time of the day the screening was? I don't know of any projectionist who is supposed to be watching the film exclusively. He should have other things to do, other movies to start, trailers to break down, projectors to clean, etc. It seems to me the theatre can just claim he was milking the clock by watching the whole film in the first place. The same thing would happen if an usher went in to do a theatre check on a film and then came back out 30-40 min. later. If the film is there the night before, then I can see the projectionist watching the film to make sure it was built properly and the the sound is okay. But in most screening cases, the print arrives at most 2 hrs before, meaning no advance screening. Therefore the projectionist builds it up, hopefully confident he did a correct job, starts the film and then goes off to do something else. If something drastically goes wrong, you're screwed anyway.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Its very funny, please keep it up.
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My exhautive investigations lead to the discover that Galactus currently has 81 friends in MySpace : www.myspace.com/galacticus . I also found out that he's a homosexual and lives in Santa Ana, CA.
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Kind of like Spacey's Luthor
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Although some sources claim it's actually Mr. Wiggles.
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Galactus should be portrayed as vaguely homosexual, but not elderly
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Jun 13, 2007 12:48:23 AM CDT
glenlake8, you have no idea what really goes on.
by projectionist-punisher
A press screening takes place during the morning(most of the time) and the projectionist is to watch the screening as it plays to ensure any mistakes in build-up are corrected right away (miss-splice for example). Facts are awesome.
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But the atmosphere was uneven and the lighting wreaked, quite frankly. Therefore, it threw off the tone. Also, they realism is stupid and the villains need to be more theatrical, just not buffoons like the Schumacher versions.
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I like it. It's like a vaguely talented employee of FOX NEWS; improbable, but not impossible.
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Jun 13, 2007 12:49:32 AM CDT
What do Harry's eight million MySpace friends think?
by motoko kusanagi
Or where they nine million? I'm not quite sure...
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I heard that the Joker is going to be balls-to-the-walls nuts in this next one. So, it should be less "realistic".
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why people like DKR but as a Batman work I despise it just as I do Killing Joke.
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can they really fucking fire a guy like that? for no good reason? Is that even legal?
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We'll see, we'll see. The clown is a dapper dandy, I tell ya.
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And no HD-DVD player. God, how did my life came to this?
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why do you despise those books, and what books do you like?
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I just think that if they started doing riffs on say Batman we might have a few batman films within the next 3 years or so.I'm sick of waiting on franchises to run their course then for the studios to wait a few years then try again.Comic book movies shouldn't be limited to that kind of system.Anyway nite all.
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I'm not Eli Roth's ho
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to sustain the power cosmic
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damn you chubby fingers and small keyboard
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and what they stand for. They are overly cynical and mean spirited and think it's funny and cool to be so. That does not mean they are not well made, I just don't like them. Stuff I like: Top 10, Tom Strong, Roger Stern Avengers, Simonson Thor, Gruenwald's Captain America, Geoff Johns's JSA and Hawkman, ANY of Jeff Loeb's retro work (Superman for All Seasons, Spider-Man: Blue), I can go on, you get the deal.
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I was a lead projectionist for a major chain from 2000-2001. The chain that I worked for had a standard "information sharing" catch-all clause in every employment package from the ushers on up. In fact, every company I've ever worked for has had a similar clause. It's just standard business practice. When you agree to the job and you sign your W-2s and what not, you agree to the confidentiality agreement.
They don't have projectionists and ushers and concession people sign the NDAs that the audience signs when they show a pre-release screening because it's already IN their original paperwork.
Did Fox overreact? Possibly. Would they have leant on his theater chain if his review hadn't been negative? Probably not. But HE gave them the rope to hang him with and crying about it just makes him an idiot.
People talk about "taking one for the talkbackers." That's utter bullshit. Memflix wanted to feed his ego by being the first one to review FF2. He threw his name and info all over the place and is now pissing and moaning because he DUH got caught. Suck it up, crybaby. -
going to be a scene with a mass evacuation and that The Joker is going to be "cruel" to Batman, Gotham citizens, and The Mafia. And the National Guard is going to be in the movie. So I think that The Joker is going to go ape shit. "Cruel" is such an interesting choice of words to describe a villain's behavior (not my word, but a scooper's. "The Joker is cruel in the script".) Usually it's evil or badass, but cruel? He should be dastardly, yes yes?
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Film projectionists were in their own lil' union. And nobody could fuck with them. Theaters totally depended on them. If you pissed them off, forget it -- it meant trouble. At least...back when I worked in a theater it was like that. Mob involvement too...
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for The Joker? Wouldn't have that sucked. I'm kind of excited for Ledger because you have no idea where he's going to go with the character other than the fact that he looks like a guy eho would listen to Norwegin Black-Metal.
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of a fine retro Jeff Loeb piece). Worth reading if you haven't. They are going to make the Joker not funny in this, it seems. Too bad. The Hammill Joker is magnetic, I love that version.
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Memflix worked for a corporation, and then chose to betray that corporation for his own little five minutes of fame by breaking a contractual secrecy agreement/understanding that all such employees have. They found him, they fired him. Simple action and consequence. And you can't bitch about getting caught if you're the one who made the choice to take that action against your employers wishes in the first place. So, excuse me if I don't cry a thousand tears.
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I could see Colbert though.
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I always liked what Miller said about DKR/Watchmen: Dark Knight was the big brass band funeral for the superhero, and Watchmen was the autopsy.
I disagree that Miller hates superheroes, he may have a complex relationship with them, but if he outright hated them he wouldn't work with them.
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like Kenny Bania from Seinfeld. And he'll order soup from Mendi's.
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As for Ledger, he could've played it either way I'm sure. If they portray the Joker as a sicko serial killer sadist I will not be interested. Just all kinds of wrong.
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Look, its black and white. If you sign something its one thing, if you dont its another. Why are you assuming he did? Did he say so? Is the word FACT alien here? WTF?
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(Though I'm sure if his review was positive this woulnd't be an issue.) This is about breaking a contract or agreement with one's employer. The non-logic that says "he got fired for stating his opnion" is the same non-logic that says Clinton's crim was getting blow job. Clinton's crime was called perjury.
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but in the massive gassing sense, yes. I almost guarantee that there will be poisoning of some sort.
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you are usually given an employee handbook or something similar as part of the terms of your employment.
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I do know that trade screenings are usually in the morning. And while there may be no other shows to start, YOU don't know what his theatre's policies were as to what he was supposed to be doing. Theatres that I've worked for have rarely had the projectionist stay at the projector the entire time b/c they know how to correctly build a movie. They may stay in the general area, but they stay busy. Sitting on a stool in front of the port glass watching the film going through is STILL sitting on your ass. Facts may be awesome, but unless you work at the same theatre as Memflix, don't pretend you're the expert. If Memflix is even a decent projectionist, then he knows he is simply SITTING on his ass b/c he KNOWS he put the film together right and nothing is going to go wrong. If there is a misplice, then he probably isn't the one the theatre will want to build up screenings in the future, b/c you just made the theatre look ridiculous in front of the distributors, regardless of how quick you are getting it back in frame. Your either confident/good or your not. How many screenings have you run that went out of frame?
The theatre may even have a work policy that states something to the effect in their booth job description that they can't talk about screenings, or that they can't sit/stand and watch movies. All I'm saying is the neither of us have all the FACTS that you deem to be so awesome. So all the people who are claiming he has a easy court win b/c he didn't sign anything from FOX, need to slow down and realize that he may have put himself in this mess. -
C.C. DeVille type shit. "Talk Dirty To ME". The Joker will bribe them away from whatever county fair they're playing in bumfuck Nebraska to come play in Gotham to drive the citizens out of town.
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Comparing a projectionists job to that of the presidents........I'm speachless. Strange how so many are ASSuming a contract was signed at the time of employment concerning such screenings. I have read and signed theater employment agreements. You are talking out of your respective ass. Please realize this.
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Well, I am off for the night.
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You can't have it both ways.
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I believe he hates what has been done with them.
The Comics Journal Interviews book with him is really really good, as is the Miller/Eisner book.
Ledger said he's basing some of his Joker on Alex from A Clockwork Orange, which sounds like it could work well
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its pretty obivious. and it pisses me off.
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Jun 13, 2007 1:26:19 AM CDT
glenlake8, please provide proof of your claims or shut
by projectionist-punisher
Simple as that. Different contracts for different theaters. Do you know what was signed? No, you don't. So, please, untill you know SOME facts, shut the fuck up.
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Jun 13, 2007 1:29:53 AM CDT
hugo weaving and johnny depp were rumored for the joker
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
hugo weaving has the perfect joker look and johnny depp is just great.
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MM got fired because
A) it was confidental material when he viewed it
B) as a theater who does test screens for them to have a leak like that destroys there credability
C) Regardless if he signed a confidental agreement If any of you nerds had an invention showed it to MM and then he leaked the skems to the press I am sure you would sue his ass.
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http://www.funbolt.com/gallery/files/6/jessica-alba-nipple-slip.jpg NICE
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Wow. Shut the fuck up. Original. Classy comeback. Do I know what was signed? No, neither do you. That was the point that went sailing over your head. You might go check Dominic's post up above. I know several theatre chains that have a section about media in the crew policies in which is states that NO ONE can talk to the media about anything that happens at the theatre. While this may be vague, I'm sure this is what they used on Memflix. When filling out paperwork at a new job, they are told to read the documents then sign it. Most teenagers I've seen do a cursory glance, then sign anyway.
This was never an indictment on you "projectionist", your comments just struck me to respond, which is what these talkbacks are for. So you did your job. My dismay is more at all those above who think that Memflix did nothing wrong. Again, people like Memflix are the reasons why projectionist like you:
1) rarely get screening prints the night before (so that the staff can watch them)
2) when they come, they come with locks or two hours before the screening
3) security comes upstairs to make sure the print is built properly and then torn down immediately following the screening, even if you are opening the film later that week.
I KNOW these things happen.
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Because of the crazy action of firing of a projectionist for expressing his opinion on a fox film, I will be buying pirated dvds of your films (the 1 or 2 that are good) this year and the next., Suck it long, suck it hard, suck it.
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Amen to that!
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For any reason! OH my God we dont live in s socialist state! Ahhhh run for you lives!
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I was sued by Sony once, been there. Done that. I have NO LOVE for Fox. They seem to, especially with comic book props., only be willing to risk what they KNOW they will make back. Shame. Also, they CAN and WILL fuck up any television property that doesn't prominently feature Pamela Anderson's tits....where was i? Oh, this movie is gonna suck.
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1) we get the print(s) the night before if not earlier.2) That varies WILDLEY. 3) Security has no idea how to build up a print. They are paid to be there and make sure the print is shipped out, nothing more.
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Keep your head up dude. All the angst you (probably) endured over this firing thing (which just blows my fucking mind) is a giant waste of time, and mark my words: you'll benefit from this unnecessary shitstorm in the end.
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Presumption of innocence.
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1) Your theatre is fortunate then if you are consistently getting trade/press screenings the night before. We only get them the night before if it's a Wed/Thurs screening, with the movie opening Friday.
2&3)Yes they are just watchdogs, but the fact that they are even there in the first place is annoying.
I probably just have 'good ole day' syndrome. When the studios weren't so sensitive. The net and this site have probably helped to cause their sensitivity. And I love this site. Fox sucks, but I'll still go see its movies if it sparks my interest. I'm a hypocrite and a wise padawan. Damn. That sucks. -
They won't be impressed with Moriarty publicly flipping them the bird... so I guess this finally puts an end to the whole Bruno saga from last month.
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Why couldn't you wait to post for one more minute, so I could just wallow to sleep?
Presumption of innocence. He reviewed it on this site, talking about how he saw it. He did it again on his blog. What? I guess if he's going for the fact that he can't incriminate himself, but what am I missing? He's not even saying that he's innocent, just that he's been unfairly punished. What the hell are you talking about? Damn I got to go to sleep. Been fun projectionist. Keep fighting the power. -
This talkback has evolved into the varying theories and priciples of projectionist. I'm just saying, no offense, just didn't see myself typing this sentence when I woke up this morning.
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Hehe.
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Jun 13, 2007 2:37:53 AM CDT
I feel that a real persons job is more important.
by projectionist-punisher
To me, this has nothing to do with the new fantastic four movie. A person was fired, by fox, for posting a negative review of their movie. If said person signed a paper saying he or she will not discuss said film, then ok. But we don't know this. Hey memflix or FOX, bring on the facts! did you sign such a paper or not?
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Jun 13, 2007 2:38:02 AM CDT
I feel that a real persons job is more important.
by projectionist-punisher
To me, this has nothing to do with the new fantastic four movie. A person was fired, by fox, for posting a negative review of their movie. If said person signed a paper saying he or she will not discuss said film, then ok. But we don't know this. Hey memflix or FOX, bring on the facts! did you sign such a paper or not?
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He says that the Die Hard 4.0 is rated PG-13, and that we should fist fuck FOX for everything they'd done in the last five years except The Simpsons (and he said Family Guy falls under Andult Swim protection). I don't exactly care what the hell happens to FF4:2, but fuck FOX (phonetically I just said "buttfuck").
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thinking FF2 looked OK and Fox had a good chance of getting my ticket money. But screw Fox and if you think that Memflix shouldn't have broken the rules then understand that this would be a pretty boring site if all it did was what Fox etc, wanted it to do.
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Whether or not Memflix signed an agreement is something I don't know, and I'm sure Fox is acting well within the bounds of legality.
However, just because one HAS the right to do something doesn't always mean it IS the right thing to do. If Fox were persecuting everyone who went on record early with their reactions to the film, then it would be one thing, but how many actually believe it's a violation of an agreement as such which has caused Fox to cast aside the scabbard of flaming justice in order to smite these transgressors as a whole with that red-hot blade and not just the ones with opinions perceived as damaging to the studio?
The fact is that Fox has shown itself as an odious recurring character in film-related dramas (as most talkbackers can attest to), and this is just the latest example of their nature.
You know, for a studio which panicked at the keelhauling it received for details of the AvP2 script which had leaked and its indifference to the geek outrage over X3, it isn't doing much to win back any favor it may have lost. The way things are going, even if AvP2 turns out to be a decent flick (uh-huh), it will be cornholed along with Fox just out of principle. While I shudder at the prospect of AvP2 itself, I do so look forward to those talkbacks. Grease up, Fox. -
Crazy how they dont realize this. Bizzaro crazy, really. Pixar is the only studio to see this reality. They included in the cans for "cars" a numbered set of cards (mine is #5300) for the projectionist. That was COOL! Thank you by the way pixar. Thats all it takes! A simple thank you for projecting our movie right. Its a low paying job that really is the final checkpoint for every film that comes out. If it was up to me, I would declare october 2oth projectionist day! We are simple folk, like snake eyes in G.I.Joe #31.
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...saying you're in the "legal" right is like saying it's oh-kay to have a slave if it's legal... of course that what Rasta's have been saying awhile, but for opposite reasons.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=DDKjliVcOJs
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just in case I don't like it and the thought police find out and I end up out of my job.
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open to under 40 million dollars. That would be a huge dissapointment for fox. please America. Please.
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Good and bad things about your effort:
I like how you call yourself "Greenhouse". It gives the air of I-don't-give-a-fuck, much like Johnny Depp's CIA character in Once Upon A Time In Mexico wearing a CIA t-shirt in public. Unfortunately for you, you are not Johnny Depp's character in Once Upon A Time In Mexico, and the tongue-in-cheek deflection has subsequently failed.
I also like when you use words like "shit" and "fuckers". It gives the impression that you're actually not some tight-ass, well-mannered exec who dabbles in geek anthropology. However, it's effect is negated by terms like "effin'" and "mos def" and "cuz". Extra points, though, for not succumbing to the temptation of using "this flick's da booooooommmmb!"
Despite the fact that you planty folks seem to have done the homework I assigned you to last time we had this little pow-wow, I can't shake the feeling that you merely crammed rather than assimilated and grokked the wisdom I was attempting to impart.
You've got some of the geek glossary memorized, as mentioned, but your use of it is clunky and non-persuasive, (misspelling Norrin Radd and calling Galactus "The G", for example) -- something which isn't helped by the faux cool expressions a tad desperately inserted here and there.
All in all, this matter isn't entirely dissatisfying, but some of your other, glaring errors are.
Cases in point:
1) A true talkbacker would state his TB handle and also come in here to defend his work. This may seem childish and ultimately pointless, but it's the talkbacker way. You're either one of us, or you're not, but you can't fucking fool us into believing you are one of us.
2) You must never, never, never claim to have seen cinema patrons "bumping chests" or "practicing drifting in the parking lot", which, to your credit, you did not. Likewise, you must never claim to have met any kind of experts -- in this case, "a few FX people from a local firm" -- who then allegedly say things which substantiate any assertions you make about the film in question. I suppose I should be impressed by the fact that you at least were able to separate the issues of talkbacker terminology and talkbacker behaviorism and not write "I just got off the phone with a few FX people from a local firm and they agreed that the G would have looked like a tool if done as Kirby created him."
3) No talkbacker would ever, and I mean EVER, say: "Perfect to take the kids to see."
Now run along back to your diabolical whoremasters at Fox and show them your report card. I'm sure that after a few months of wearing a pointy corrective helmet courtesy of Tom Rothman, you'll be ready to show off your new mad planty skillz just in time to spin AvP2. -
I'm a Brit so don't know how it works in the various States in the US - but every job here (legitimate job) requires a contract of employment and every contract of employment basically states that you will not do anything that can be classed as misconduct. Using your position to review films is free speech but it's also sort of biting the hand that feeds you. I also think it's worth remembering that he did post on a website and had his name on it - which is a bit like waving a red rag in a bull's face. I suppose the other thing is how much of the story is true and how much has escalated? I am sorry he got fired but Chinese whispers on the internet can reach epic proportions
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Just imagine a bunch of MIBlacks marching Memflix out the building and into a black limo to be taken to a remote location, knee-capped and made to watch Fox flicks clockwork Orange style for a month til he gets his wheelchair in line with all us other drones!'Freedom of speech is dead! Long live freedom of speech!'ps I quite enjoyed the first one and thought the trailer for this is one of the best i've ever seen!sorry!
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Jun 13, 2007 4:42:26 AM CDT
lets all go see evan almighty instead!
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
what a piece of shit
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memflix worked for a theater chain and ran the projector for press screenings.
he got advance looks at movies and wrote spy reviews.
those reviews help fill the site which generates ad revenue and makes people at the site money.
it sucks that memflix got fired. but to me, it's as much 'fuck the websites that encourage this kind of behavior' as 'fuck fox'.
it's no different than youtube or any other site these days. people provide the content, 99% of people providing content don't get paid, and the website gets the ad revenue and makes all the money.
i'll never take the side of the massive corporate giant, and it's kind of ridiculous that he had to lose his job over it, but just to blame them is a little short sighted. -
Seriously. Mori, "Think about that for a minute..." A Talk Backer being banned because they didn't agree with AICN viewpoints or were upset with what a Harry, you, or any person with ‘banning’ power has written in these ‘hallowed’ halls…?Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. So please, no acting like anyone here has a morale high ground to stand on.DC and Dark Horse pulled preview comics from EVERY comic store because of early negative reviews and spoilers hitting the net. Everyone felt the punishment of a few idiots. Marvel seems to weather the yaps on the net and has even sent more out to cover the vacuum left by those who no longer do. Opportunists to the end.Here’s the thing. People seeing test screenings (including employees of where the studio is testing/showing their movie) are under signed legal agreements NOT to review a movie. A LOT of people get away with doing so because we are, in general, faceless people that can not be traced. Memflix was sloppy and was traced. He felt the wrath of the studios. Boo-hoo. Too bad. So sad. I wish the dude well, but when you get caught breaking the rules, then you have to man up and take the pain.I like you Mori, but man, do you sound like a little bitch with this report. “Oh, no! He sort of liked it! Quick, Fox, you better track him down and get him fired!” Dude…seriously…that is soooooo little girly. Like the spoiled rich girl Paris Hilton-type that cries for her mommy when she actually has to accept her punishment. I’m taking it that Memflix was a friend. Again, sorry he got caught, but we all take risks. Sometimes those risks come with…oh…what do they call them…? Oh yeah! Consequences.Many of us (and BOY don’t I know it) have been relieved of duty from jobs because we spoke out. We clean up, suck it up, and move on stronger than we were before.Here’s to you Memflix, only upward to go!
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The case doesn't need to strong--the pre-movie publicity does. First, I would suggest that every one of you goes to whatever blogs, newsgroups, websites etc. that you regularly traffic and let everyone know what has happened to MemFlix. Someone should alert Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, because they will eat this thing for lunch and dinner and call Fox! They are obviously afraid of the Nerdly force of the Internet--what would happen if, as with Snakes on a Plane they felt the full force of the Internet. So go my Padawans and multiply this information, send it out to everyone on your Myspace and Live Journal, put it on all the Nerd, Science, Science Fiction sites. Let them know and worry about the power of Geeks when they have been done wrong!
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That is not the thing. The thing is that a fellow contributor to this site was deprived of his livelihood by an overarching set of executives. This act is meant to quell dissent in any form. It is meant to send a message to anyone who might speak badly of any future movie--don't say anything that the big corporations might disagree with or you will be punished. Basically, it has to be stopped now, and MemFlix needs to be given his job back or no movie critic will ever be safe. That is the larger issue and if you can't understand that, my friend then you simply do not understand what is at stake, are yet another plant, or an idiot--you can choose and sadly, not a single one denies the possibility that all three are true. I don't know you, so I will let you decide, which is true.
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Let's test this shall we what is stronger an army of ewok nerds or the Empire that is Fox. What would happen if they gave a movie and nobody came? That, my friends could be interesting. Think of it as an experiment, between the truth and control. I truly think that it would be in the best interest of Fox to Reinstate MemFlix with a big fat raise and make a very public apology. That's what I think would be a very, very good idea.
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Corporations, the corporations and corporations...
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in French means to make worsen something.
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To worsen something...darned typoes.
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No shit. They got that guy Jesse FIRED? They blew his cover and "sanctioned" him, Eastwood style? No way I'm gonna pay for their shitty movies again. I did dneak in for the Rat' X3 last summer; gonna do the same for shitty FF and PG-13 Live Free.
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fox is protecting thier investment, aicn can sink a movie froma negative review, especially for a movie that hasn't premired yet.
and memflix while i appreciate and respect his opinions shoudl have used more caution when reviewing a movie, he works there, its common sense you dont dhit in your own backyard. and if you must then do it anonomously. i.e not have a website in your name that people can easily do a whois on and put 2 and 2 together to figure out who you are.
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last night. It looks really stupid. I'll take my daughter though, and go in without any expectations--except for it to suck. That way, any good contained therein will only be amplified in my mind. I'm lookin' forward to Die Hard, and the kid and I will check out that giant fighting robot movie. And Ratatootie, or whatever, because Pixar is God.
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...those TBer's that were banned due to the 'FUCK ELI/HOSTEL II' thang... See, I kinda get confused and thought everyone here (TBers and paid types included) were contributors to the site as well. Heck, I’ve had reviews printed here. So I guess I’m a Silver Member, at the least. And yes, I’ve even been called a ‘plant’. Whatever.Anywho, and ignoring the really lame insults slung towards me, the boy signed a contract. We all do when we get adult jobs. This isn't some 'free speech' thing. Sure, a positive review has a lot more chance of being over looked. Whatever again. Thems just the way things go. But, when you bite the hand that feeds you, the rolled up newspaper of the Gods smacks your nose hard. It's called life. Deal.And I'm more than confused by your Snakes On A Plane reference. The producers of SOAP DEPENDED on the net geeks to even help make the film (asking for suggestions for scenes and various ideas) and produced a piece of dreck. It went from #1 to #7 in the Box Office in ONE week. It made 34 Million in its U.S. domestic run, yet it was predicted to make 100 Million+ due to ‘Net Buzz’. So no offense, but ‘huh’?And this isn’t a question of paid professionals that work for some news service writing a negative review. See, even those professional types, they are under agreements to only release their reviews on or after a certain date. If they do not honor that agreement, they may be banned form studio provided review showings. That’s a years old practice. Much like if they tracked a non-industry net reviewer who broke the contract they are made to sign before watching a screening, those names go on a watch list. If the name matches a person they feel has broken the trust of a previous contract, they are turned away from future movie screenings.Really, leave this ‘big evil corporation’ tired tripe behind. Are they businesses watching their financial asses? Sure. Are they attacking free speech? Not so much. In the legal end of things, they are holding up a contracted employee to the work agreement they signed.Feel free to go to your job tomorrow and start yelling at the top of your lungs how your job sucks and warn the customers who buy whatever product your employer provides, that it’s not very good. Pretty sure you’ll be out on your hind end by lunch. Please, though, let them know you were practicing your right to free speech. If not, then you have some damn good employers and let me know where to send my resume! Take care!
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FF2 doesn't suck and might actually be good???? Nice. Must be the alien pods replaced Story after FF1. Who knew they could direct? ...On the guy being fired, so what? Welcome to the reel world. Try embarrasing your boss sometime, unless that's Mom. She doesn't count. Uhmm, and guess what, [whispering] it really IS all about the money, even here. That's why they make 'em, not just to provide spoiler scoops for attention deprived underachievers. And why the economics of them are important. I think this guy deserved to be fired... for his lousy review. He had two people accuse him of never seeing the movie. Hope it was worth it. Enjoy your next minimum wage job where, um no, you don't get to watch movies. And please kids, DO some little boycott. I'm behind ya. What an outrage! I'll never see a movie again! I'll hold my breath! Stamp my feet! That'll show 'em... There, maybe I'll have some elbow room now the first night. Instead of grossing $500,000,000 worldwide, it'll be $499,999,980. How pathetically juvenile. What are you, 8? ....Seriously, I think the audience is resting up from their 2-3 hour triquel snooze. (Unless PIRATES3 makes them never want to set foot in theaters again. I know I felt that way for a day or two.) If these last 3 reviews are close, FF2 (NOT ROTSS, not F42, or any other BS acronyms), FF2 is gonna soar. Of course, I could be wrong. Excelsior!
P.S. Latest from Tim Story - the triquel w/ Galactus will be, FF3: THE COLOR PURPLE. With Whoopi Goldberg as the new Herald. Hey, who knew she could surf the cosmos AND put on HOLLYWOOD SQUARES? Now there's your multitalented star. -
Did Memflix mention in his review the theater he worked at? Or city? Let this be a lesson to you covert reviewers. It's not just Fox. The MPAA is watching, listening. You've got to accept and understand what this thing is. It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear... And it absolutely will not stop, ever. Unless it's destroyed.
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Memflix might as well have put his name on the review then. Nowadays, it pays to have more than one alias.
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I prefer it when I declare my enjoyment of Fantastic Four and everyone does the internet version of looking at me like I'm nuts.Anyway, Memflix. I'm sorry about what happened to you, mate. That will, I suppose, always be one of the shittier things that's happened to you in your life. That said, any time a person says or does something (regardless of whether they've signed a non-disclosure agreement) that might effect their employer's perceived ability to earn money, they are going to get fired. Is it shit? Yes. Should we be outraged? Of course. Is it going to change anything? Not really. I hope you get yourself a better job and something good comes out of this whole affair. But next time, I hope that you either a) think twice before acting, or b) do a better job of covering your tracks. It's a jungle out there, Memflix. People will fuck you up if you let them.
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but I will say it again. Mori, can we help get this guy a job? I have read everything he has written on this site. He points out that he has written reviews for unreleased movies before without consequence and that he did not sign anything. I have not even heard that he was told by the "suits" not to review the movies he screened.
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He should have been more discreet. Here's a newsflash to you folks who have never worked for a large company or chain. Most companies reserve the right to fire you on the spot for no particular reason. If you actually went through and read the application that you filled out and signed, you would see that almost every company posts that on there somewhere. If you however sign a contract that specifically states that you will not be fired for certain particular actions you might commit, then you'd be better protected. I feel for memflix because it sucks not having a job but even if he didn’t sign anything, he should have used some common sense in realizing that if you post early negative reviews of movies that his theatre chain depends on for business, then he will probably have a problem. I myself work for an alcohol distributing company and although I hate some of the brands that we carry, I’ll only talk about it within the company, and not on a post on a website where anyone (possibly a rep of the brand) could read it and use it against me.
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And Harry, I think this is big news. Please make this public ON YOUR MAIN PAGE! Don`t let Fox think you`re afraid.
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"this is one megacorporation threatening to blackball another corporation because one guy didn’t like their movie and had the stones to say so"
Fox threatened the movie theater he works for. They told them they would not be able to show their movies until the Memflix situation was taken care of. So the theater fired him. Tennessee is an "employment-at-will" state, meaning you can be fired for any or no reason. Memflix never signed a confidentiality statement and his employer was aware that he had his own local publication and wrote reviews on movies he watched. He was NOT fired for breaking an agreement. He was fired because 20th Century Fox threatened the movie theater chain.
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http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/tipster?id=897166
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I dont care how exponentially better this fim is... it will still land in the "sucky" range, and people should leave comics to comics and return to making movies about HUMANS! CGI is the ultimated kick in stan lee's face, just becasue they can make these movies doesnt mean they should.
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I liked your points, though I do not agree with all of them--and you are right there was no need for me to fling ad hominem attacks. Thank you for the leson in decency.
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How come George W. (Fuckhead) Bush doesn't get impeached for lying to everyone in the USA?
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Read memflix's site.
He says they told him he was "suspended indefinitely" and that he would no longer be allowed to work the screeners and that if he went back to work for them that he would get the standard pay rate. Sounds like a warning, reprimand, demotion to me.
I'm not defending Fox. At all. I would much rather that they actually make good movies instead of cheezy shlocky "first weekend" cash cows and persecuting internet nerds.
But at the same time I'm not going to join in on the pity party for someone who's boo-hooing after flagrantly violating the terms of his employment.
It doesn't matter if it was 1st time he violated it or the 80th. All that matters is that THIS time someone called him on it and he got swatted down.
He says he never signed a confidentiality agreement. I specifically remember reading a confidentiality clause in the employement contracts for the theaters I worked for (AMC & Regal) as well as a warning in the same contract to never talk to the media about ANYTHING. I think I'll believe myself over memflix.
If being a film reviewer/critic and keeping his projectionist job was important to him than he could have waited a couple of weeks before putting up his review. That's the thing, you see. He wanted to be the FIRST one to say, "THIS SUCKS!". He didn't want to give a fair and impartial review of a finished product. He wanted to flex e-peen. -
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Again, Bush and Iraq creep into a talk back about a comic book movie. You left wing moon bats really need to get grip. On a RELATED note, does an recall the Dr. Strange tv movie from the early 80s? That one wasn't bad, any one know were to get it on DVD? That and Gene Rodenberry's "specter" horror movie?
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Amazon.com has a few copies from sellers. It came out in 1978. I thought it was a good movie too.
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It is only on VHS.
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Ur like that guy with the shot gun in Fletch who keeps saying "MOVED OUT"....
so you're saying FUCK FOXXXX?
the best rendition of Galactus is here: http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=VlC4kIk8lAs&NR=1
I'm a shill for YouTube too...just to let you penis fappers know!
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The simple fact is that Fox has chosen to take action. That is there choice as it is ours whether to deem their action as being reasonable or not. Like it or not, we fans have a graet deal of power, so do they--consider it a flexing of muscles--the difference is that the tide of public opinion is on our side. Fox should really reconsider their response.
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this movie could bomb and they are now on damage control. In other words, they are not confident about their product.
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another post at www.memflixbeyond.com, in effort to clarify a few things
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if the stuff about Memflix is even 3/4 true, the whole thing stinks. don't know what to make of this movie now. probably wait for the "regular" critics to come out with there take and try to extract the b/s out of that. Gotta' feeling this is going to be one for cable, especially if Chikliss takes a back seat. actually looking more ahead to yippe ki yay 4 & Bayformers.
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In this case, that's exactly what happened. Fuckin' Fox is Cohagen to Memflix's Quaid.
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plants trying to get clever on us? however they try they will always fail the soul-less twats. Giant pussies of Fox. dis-gus-ting.
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Just as MemFlix made a decision to write his review, Fox made their decision to attack his livelihood--those are both actions with responses. If fans believe that what MemFlix did was correct and what Fox has done is wrong then, fans have an obligation to act in a way that lets Fox know that their action was way beyond the pale. The truth is that this is no longer about legalities--this is about larger issues of right or wrong. If fans want to see other reviewers, other fans silenced by whatever corporations feel that they can strongarm other businesses to silence their employees then they too should remain silent and go see this movie. But, however, if the end goal is to protect the citizen and his ability to speak freely--something that we still give lip-service to in this country--then we should stand with him and do what we can with the forumns that we have before us. Honestly, there are only a few Comic-book sites, a few Sci-Fi sites and word moves very quickly in this day and age. If Fox really wants to see what can and will happen if it starts to take fans on full-force then they should continue to do things like this. It only makes sense, they wanted to strong arm a lowly film projectionist and now those of us who feel morally outraged and who still feel strongly for the underdog should do what we can to make sure that Fox and any other movie company out there does two things--makes movies that are better and never, ever deprives a person of their monthly wage for simply excercising their right to a point of view in a forumn of public opinion. It really is simple as that and no legalize, verbal tapdance etc., or anything like that will make it come out roses for Fox--they chose to do something that should not have been done, they chose to do it in an effort to silence, not only Mem, but in the hope that it would silence all projectionists and fans and now the fan ahs to decide if this is something that they can live with.
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There is only one person and one person only on this earth who needs to be cast as Guy Gardener.
That is Dr Perry Cox from Scrubs.
He was born for that role.
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to cast the GL corps older, I think that would be fine anyway. I was telling nonsensical above I would risk the rabid hatred of fanboys by making Hal Jordan a newbie in the GL Corps, with Jon Stewart and Gardner already serving in an intergalactic war. Kyle would get the honor of being Parallax, the failed artist gone psychopathic universal conquerer.
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the FF movie is a joke, evertime i look at the thing from the film it reminds me of Spawn in burnt crispy mode before the costume, in the Spawn movie movie. Did anybody that actulaay like the FF comic work on this movie or have any imput at all?
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We fans are a smart lot, nice try though...So who has written something about this on their blog, on their favorite newsgroup, MySpace or LiveJournal including links and the like?
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The site for "Live Free or Die Hard" has been updated. It has officially been rated PG-13 for "Intense Violence & Action, Language & A Brief Sexual Situation."
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Ok, Talkback @$$holes....when is a review NOT a plant? Huh? when they only HATE the film. Cuz if that's true then I hear-by ask all of you to NEVER send in a pre-review again. fuck it. why bother?
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...that's simply untrue. Right now, for example, there is a positive review for Transformers on the front page which is most definitely not written by a plant. Apart from a lack of the usual tells one sees in plant texts, it's also written by a known talkbacker. Not only that, but he is engaging in the accompanying talkback as well.
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Doesn't get any dumber than that. Folks on the internet will have little to no sway on whether FF: ROTSS will "rise" or fall at the box office. This movie is going to open to at least the $57 million that the first F4 movie opened to, and probably more given the appearance of the Surfer. Critics don't stop people from seeing a movie they already plan on seeing, regardless to how bad the review is. A critic might be able to get people to see a movie they hadn't intended on seeing due to overhelmingly good reviews, but we all have seen movies that critics trashed that we personally liked and critical darlings that are boring crap. It's messed up that Memflix lost his job due to his opinion about this movie because regardless of his opinion, Fox should know that it won't change the fact that FF: ROTSS will still make at least $150 million at the box office which is roughly what the first F4 made, what Daredevil made, what Ghost Rider made...hell, even the Hulk made $150 million so Fox should care less what any critic thinks about this film if its all about the money. I for one will be there opening day, not for the Fantastic Four, which has never been a favorite comic of mine, but for the Silver Surfer, which is one of my favorite comic book characters. My favorite being Spiderman, who has already been desecrated earlier this summer by that piece of crap known as Spidey 3. This film can't be worse than Spiderman 3. Heck, the trailers for this film are better than all of Spiderman 3. Anyway, I'll also be in line for Transformers, Live Free or Die Hard, and Harry Potter regardless to what anyone else's opinions are about these films, so Fox needs to lighten up, Memflix I hope you get gainfull employment elsewhere, boycotters I suspect weren't planing on seeing this movie anyway and to the rest of us, I'll see you at the theater this weekend.
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Fox finds out, and hunts down the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet.
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Still talking about some contractual obligation...No,some suit from FOX called his boss and had a temper tantrum.And I think the idea of a boycott becomes more funny when YOU think its funny.Just proves that your all full of shit.Face it,most of the time the only courage I see around here is when one is defending his like for a movie that most hated.And how shallow is that?Theres just no conviction.And why would there be?Its the anonymous INTERNET!Where I can be who I always wanted to be!!Bottom line on it all=I hear what your saying there arjaybee.But why contribute to the success of lesser films.Think way way back to when we were kids.Was it this bad?Did they really churn out this many shitty films?The answer is no.The shitty films of our day are the current classics we clamor for on DVD,like Monster Squad .So why is a boycott such a ridiculous concept?Why feed the beast to churn out more"John Tucker must Die" and "Shes the Man"? type bullshit?Did hollywood really need that 150 million your talkin?OR did the fans deserve a good fantastic four?
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I never gto a Christmas card from that guy. Fox only did what any Hollywood studio would do if they had the power to do so. I'm seeing this flick on Friday
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I never got a Christmas card from that guy. Fox only did what any Hollywood studio would do if they had the power to do so. I'm seeing this flick on Friday
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and instead of dying of cancer they gain the power to stretch, control fire/fly, turn invisible, and turn to rock. However a giant guy who eats planets dressed in a big purple Pope hat is "unbelievable". Ok, I'm good with that.
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So he didn't sign any contract and he has a young child to care for. This should end up on some other news site.
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Sorry about what happened dude. Fox sucks man!
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http://tinyurl.com/2dupu4
Am I right, or am I right. Go fuck a cat, Tim Story.
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Freedom of speech. It's a wonderful thing.
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so many of you FOX defenders are privy to what is stated in memflixs' employment papers.
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the fox presentation for FF at wondercon a couple of years ago. The actor who plays the fake doom (it wasnt the doom I read in the comics) was going on and on about how he is a huge fantastic four fan and has read the comics since he was a kid.
Someone soon after asked him if galactus will be in the film. The actor leaned over to the producer who was seated next to him, producer whispered in his ear, actor then answers, in front of 2000+ people,"No, galactacus will not be in the film."
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That only works if the Government is involved, and in Memflix's state what happend was perfectly legal.
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I wrote one of the above reviews and I am engaging in the talkback.
, and due to the screening rules, I asked Mor to omit some details bout city and whatever. I wouldn't lose my job, but the dude who hooked me up might. and all I get is PLANT! PLANT! PLANT! bullshit. you know, dudes like Memflix risk something (obviously) by taking a chance and TRYING to give TB'ers reviews b-4 the films come out. I've accused others of being a Plant B-4 and it's usually cuz the review lacks detail, tries to be hip or whatever. And But I tried to avoid that BS in my review. So whatever, whining's over. later! -
Please read Memflix latest at memflixbeyond.com
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I didn't accuse your review of being the plant variety, now did I?
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I hope Harry will eventually chime in on this..Its his site after all..Is he saving it for his intro to the upcoming review or is Harry not going to see this film on general purposes..
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and it sure sounds like he's trying hard to sound legit. Even the typos seems planned. Basically, he sounds like an impersonation of a punk.
And what is with the only negatives being Alba's hair and some continuity issues? That sounds like Fox sanctioned critisism to me.
my expectations for this film are very very low. I'm not seeing it in theaters. I will very likely Netflix it and then forget about it.
How hard can it be to get the FF right?
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Com'on He was just watering the lawn..
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When you work for a company--any company--there's usually a clause in your contract or a statement in your employee manual that prohibits the leaking of information from within the company. What Memflix did was unprofessional at best. It's obvious that the screenings that he ran were not for the general public, nor was Memflix there as a theatergoer. He ran the projector. And since he's called a "regular contributor" to the site, it's safe to assume he's done this many times in the past. Memflix was in violation of company policy. His firing was justified and I would've done the same thing.
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It raises the acidity of the soil, so sometime it will actually help them, so I was said landscaper I'd tell the homeowner to fuck off, 'cause I'm trying to my job of keeping the plants alive.
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but if you have been here reading
you should be aware by now Memflix signed no such documentation when he was hired ,
was given no verbal notifacation ,and his emplyer knew he operated a review website.
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... who's made entirely of some silvery alloy, flies in space at translight speeds and fires bolts of cosmic power? Watrboard him? He doesn't breathe! Both of these reviews sound like they're from the same sorts of "reviewers" that liked Batman and Robin "...Arnold's one-liners were HILARIOUS and Alicia Silverstone was smokin'!" The first dude even liked the 90 minute run time because he had to take the kids to Chuck'E'Cheese. I'm sorry, but married-with-kids suburbanites should never be allowed to review movies. Marriage and kids'll suck the life right out of you!
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"Freedom of speech. It's a wonderful thing." Um, no, it wasn't wrongful termination. He violated company policy. It wasn't the fact that he gave it a bad review (although it's probably what led to his termination), it was the fact that he did indeed break the embargo. The chain had every right to do what it did.
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when I purchase a ticket to your films I am paying you to entertain me. That means you work for me. Your fired, btw.
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Im not going to assume that Memflix's employers would have fired him had they learned of this all on there own.But it does seem unlikeley.Since it was FAUX who called and bitched,you cant ignore that directly contributed to his termintion.So stop trying.And Il put aside the fact that piss can help plants and agree that if the homeowner called the landscaping firm and bitched.Im sure you would get fired.The BIGGER question in regards to Mem is: is it because you destroyd the plant or damaged it,or because your pissing in public??
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...which I find very hard to believe, it's probably in his employee handbook, or whatever he gets that outlines company policy. Again, it was extremely unprofessional what he did and regardless of whether or not there was any written agreement, his chain had every right to fire him. He's abusing his position.
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That is the highest compliment one can give..By the way if you haven't purchased or seen the new
volumes of the Abbott and Costello T.V. show please pick these up on my advice Vol. 1 and 2 are both out and they are sensational..I had forgotten how good this show was and you can really see where Seinfeld's show
regularly borrowed from this early premise..I met the late Sid Fields when I lived in Vegas in the 80's. He lived down the street from me and he was still pretty fiesty in his old age. I was some what surprised as to where he lived though it was a pretty rough area but close to the Strip..I think he might have had some gambling issues.. -
I told a friend one time that I didnt like one of your films that was playing at the theater I work for. It was a email. Should I turn myself in or will you be here this afternoon to take care of me?
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You want me dead in a GL movie? Geez pal, lighten up...
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And what a position it is! Its a shitty job with shitty pay and no benefits.
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Part of me really wanted to see a huge gigantic dude in a fuchsia and purple jump suit with a giant awkward purple helmet on screen. Of course this is the part of me that loves the movie Gummo and has absolutely no taste, so maybe Cloudactus is a good thing.
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I thought that this is what this website was about. I've been reading this website for almost ten years and it's this sorta "unprofessionalism" that got AICN so popular, people would sign agreements then break them (albeit the majority were people who's jobs didn't involve screening the films). I guess I can say I understand the "legal rightness" of this, but come on, this is just a legal form of bullying. I pledge right now not to ever spend money on a ticket to a FOX movie (and since I get in to most movies free it won't matter all that much anyway).
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this will not be a bad film, but i base that mostly on the fact that Jack Black isn't in it.
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"And what a position it is! Its a shitty job with shitty pay and no benefits." Uh, doesn't matter if he was the fucking janitor. I've worked shitty jobs with shitty pay and no benefits where I've been privy to information that would interest this website. But I'm a professional and I adhered to an ethical standard instead of getting fifteen minutes of fame on some website. And there WAS an embargo. That right there constitutes a legal agreement. There's a reason why film critics aren't allowed to publish reviews of movies until they've opened. Again, it was extremely unprofessional and he deserved to be fired.
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fuck you. I'm not a plant.
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"even the typos seemed planned" what kind of a retard are you? who the fuck plans typos?
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I'M A PLANT BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! and now I've suckered all of you into seeing this film! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm sitting in a BIG fcuking (ooppsss another planned typo, hope you fell for it!) I'll be reviewing Transformers and Die Hard as well! And all cuz I sold out for a lousy PSP. (and a used one. Fox is cheap. I hear that Lionsgate PAYS their plants)
God, Bringinsexyback should be a mutha' fukin' detective, actually, mutha' fukin' Batman should sign up for his course in Being a Detective on a TB site!
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As I mentioned before..What first brought you to this site?.. Was it getting early news on films you were interested in? If it was let me clue you in ... Most of the information you got was from leaks ..Like it or not.. If that
is something you feel wrong about and you now say Memflix should be fired ..Sir you are a Hypocrite..
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If Memflix had the balls to tell Fox that he didn't like the movie, why did he post it with his pseudonym?
What a hypocrite *rolleyes*
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That lives in the real world? If you don't like a movie, don't see it. If you don't want to get fired, don't break the rules. I know this movie is probably gonna suck, but I don't really care all that much.I want to hang out with my friends, I want to see the surfer, I want to see Jessica Alba in skin tight spandex, and I want to go get drunk afterward and get home too play guitar hero at 5 in the morning.
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Just as they fucked with George Lucas who took Indiana Jones across the street to Paramount they will keep fucking with everything until it turns to shit. Keep on truckin' you douchebag ass-clowns.
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Memflix has his real name right on his website.. He's got the balls and Sir there on your chin...
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Silver Surfer Gets his powers back Flies towards Galactus to confront him in final battle..and..fade to black..roll credits..you can decide for yourself if he won or got killed.
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I just rented GHOST RIDER for 50 cents.... and FFROTSS will end up getting another 50 cents out of me when it hits rental later in the year. They WILL NOT GET my $8 for a movie seat or $15 for a DVD. That is how you vote on these films... with your money.
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Nuff said...
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Just wait and see ... Memflix's sage is now going strong on Rotten Tomatoes and I believe he will get national exposure before th week is out..I think Fox might have fucked the pooch on this one..Memflix hold your ground and don't get nervous .. There are a lot of people behind you..
I wish you luck and if this goes
big get what you think you deserve , nothing more and nothing less...Good Luck
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if it goes national, Fox will get even more exposure for the film FREE of charge.
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Please explain-how was he fired if he was suspended?Surely Memflix choosing not to work for the same company for a lower wage is HIS decision,not a firing?
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thats what i meant. let it go public in a big way and fox will shit his collective pants!
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someone ends up unempleyed BECAUSE HE WROTE A NEGATIVE REVIEW and you tell us that all you care about is drooling over Jessica Alba and getting drunk?
Memflix has a 5 year old son by the way (i know, you don`t care).
Look, if you can`t come up with somithing intelligent to write, do us all a favor just shut up, ok? -
There are only 4 reviews up (LOL!)but 3/4 fresh reviews make me optimistic. At least we know it won't totally get panned by critics in the end. And did Fox work their magic to get the Memflix link removed from the front page or what? Go SURFER!!!
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To make room for Tim Story. Nuff Said
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Yes, it SEEMS what happened to memflix was perfectly legal (and lets have the courts decide, shall we?) but that doesnt make it right. It must be nice to be ignorent of such things as moral issues. For the record, I am not memflix but believe what you want.
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Maybe just maybe he didn't get the shitcan for this negative review but for a history of breaking the trust put in him and early reviewing tons of films. Sucks when Kharma bites you in the ass.
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2_rise_of_the_silver_surfer/ -and shh review- http://www.comingsoon.net/news/reviewsnews.php?id=21001 funny shh said the galatus thing was what dragged it down they gave it a 7/10 probably wouldve gave it a 8 it he wasnt a rain cloud.
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are mostly 3 out of 5's
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I just hope the special effects are better than that Space Invaders movie -- http://tinyurl.com/3ym95a
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Due to the crap that will be the non-purple-pant wearing Galactus, I am urging everyone to send a message to Fox and skip opening weekend. We're geeks, we're gonna see it. But it doesn't have to be Friday night.
No Purple Pants on Galactus ass, none of our asses in seats.
myspace.com/Galactuswearspurplepants
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on so-called "bloated" comic book-movies and blockbusters. A couple years ago, Spidey 2, X-2, & BB made FF look silly. Now after Spidey-3 & Last Stand etc. the critics seem to find the shit almost refreshing. Only 3 out of 5 refreashing, but refreshing nonetheless. They say timing is everything.
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Fox? People have a right to their opinions.....
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Of all the things I want to comment on I'm only going to say this - Jesse "Memflix" and I have a 5 month old son, not a 5 year old.
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being interviewed about this on a Fox News segment.
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that's what they areDAMN YOU TOM ROTHMAN
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they would be fired. This place relies, and has always relied on people to obtain info/scoops/scripts/reviews via some form of, for lack of a better word(s), sometimes underhanded/shady means. Memflix, whether he realized it or not, is no different. He was taking advantage of his post to moonlight as a "critic" and it can realistically be seen as inappropriate. Is he a bad guy? Did he deserve to get fired? No. But I've worked at a movie theater and was fired for much less. I'm also semi-involved in the entertainment-industry and have many friends and family who are/were as well. So, I've had access to screenings and screener-copies and information etc. And there's just a certain responsibility that comes with that that goes beyond just some guy attending something after getting a flier on a street-corner. There is a risk that comes with privilege. It's like, when they ask you not to take pictures/video when they screen special shit to you at Comic-Con. They mean it. If you go and do it anyway and post it on You-Tube or Limewire they have a right to come after you despite whether you think they're overreacting or not. I know the line gets tough when it comes to internet. It's easy to think you're stealing when you're downloading something for free in the comfort of your own home. The fantasy/anonymity seems like it shouldn't intrude on real life. All the more reason to cover your ass. Mem is clearly innocent in that he saw no need to do so and paid the price and that sucks. But give thanks to him because this is a lesson for us all. Unlike Vegas, what happens here doesn't always stay here. You can fancy yourself something that you're not all you want but if you make it easy for them to find out who you really are they can come after you and you only have yourself to blame. As far as boycotting FF, look...if we boycotted every movie based solely on the fucked-up/unfair actions of the studios, we wouldn't see ANYTHING. This kind of talk is getting silly and childish and is actually making me not only want to see the movie opening-day, but see it a few times even if it sucks dingle-berries. Why should the film and maybe what little talent behind it suffer cuz some projectionist went beyond the call of his job after seeing a movie for free and blabbing about it on a notorious movie-scoop-by any means necessary web-site. Don't me wrong, I love AICN, but it was born a guerrilla and still is in some ways. Like I just posted on the HD-DVD thread Microsoft can suck a fat one, but I'm still gonna buy Halo-3 cuz I believe the creative people that worked hard on it deserve my dime, and y'know...you gotta pick your battles. I wish all the best to Memfliz and his family and as another poster said earlier, "the only way is up" Good luck dude, I think it's a damn shame and all, but I will go FF-ROTHSS Friday without a heavy heart. That is all.
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That is all.
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why don't all you whining ass dudes get your pennies together and make your own geekboy comic book movie. Movies are put out to make money not appease geeks.
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Film at 11...
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I am well aware of that. But if any one of those people end up getting fired because of it, then it is justified. Do I come to this site to get "advance news?" Well, yes and no. But these reporters do what they do knowing the risks. They choose to put themselves in jeopardy. And Captain, he didn't get fired because he wrote a bad review. Granted, had it been a positive one, Fox probably would've looked the other way. But Fox could honestly make a claim that this could damage them.
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keep coming in, and they're not good. Maybe, just MAYBE, I'll take my daughter to see it, but I'm certainly not going just for me. And if we miss it, fine, I'll rent the DVD and burn it. Save my cash for Die Hard and Transformers, one of which is BOUND to be good after the mess that was Spidey 3.
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Oh yes friends, Read the CNN article MEMFILX is vindicated... Even theater manager says next time we have policy in place..
Memflix was right...CNN glad to
provide link
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/14/film.projectionist.reut/index.html -
You Sir are the Real Deal!!
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...but the chain he worked for were idiots for not having a non-disclosure agreement. Yes, Memflix broke the embargo. There's no denying that. Again, there's a reason why films aren't reviewed until they're released. That's definitely a fireable offense. BUT he's also a victim of his chain's own stupidity for not having a simple, legally binding piece of paper.
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http://tinyurl.com/27fhct to CNN's story. I couldn't get yours to work mr dark, though it was simple enough to just find it on CNN's Entertainment page...
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and they also said that they didn't get him fired. So the other side of the coin is brought to light.
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I was happy and on the way out of house...but Memflix I am glad this got put in front of the nation..as for Fox not being involved I call
Bullshit.. The theater owner saying he didn't get orders
from above is akin to a Bar owner in the old days saying he wasn't
getting his alcohol from Al Capone.
The theater owner is towing the line so he can still shill Fox product albeit at a higher studio percentage I imagine now...
You know as a comparison the Mob is pretty close when you talk about Media Giants...There's the
untouchable Dons, Henchmen, Bootleggers, Its all there.. Small time theater owners at mercy for the product they need to sell to stay in bussiness.. If anybody messes with the formula theres a hit. Maybe not on ones life anymore but definitly on there careers.. Memflix you did good .. I always thought you were tellin the truth about the paperwork..
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I'd save your money for TINO. Even though it's got major flaws, at least you'll get lots of "bang" for your buck with Bay's film. And it'll be "cloud-free"!
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Why would anyone offer him a job?
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Do you think Fox or the movie chain would have had a problem if it was a glowing review? Finky, the problem will not be the 'cloud' in FF2, because the way it was described doesn't sound that bad. It sounds like more of a 'cover' than what he actually is per se. It's everything else that will bad: acting, story, characterizations, etc. But it is, after all, for little kids. Not a valid excuse in my opinion, because one only has to look at The Incredibles to know how a kids' movie needs to be made. I'm much more sad about DHINO. Walter B, why oh why couldn't you have done a 'R' rated Die Hard???? There's someone in the film who plays a "Slacker Kid". Fuck no, that does not belong in a DH movie.
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than just a slacker kid. He was Limo driver supreme who knocked a dude out. Perhaps I'm jumping to conclusions, but I don't have a good feeling about this. I hope that I am completely wrong and that this kicks ass, but I don't have the faith.
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Denizens.. Well whenI get home I'm going to have my a bowl of Denizens chili, put on a little Denizens from the deep, call my bartender Dennis in. and oh well I ran out of Denizens.. long Live Memflix....
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Yep. Looks like my daughter and I will opt for the GIANT FIGHTING ROBOTS and wait on FF2.
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At least with Giant Fighting Robots you know what yuor getting on the way in..
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I also lack faith in the movie, with the PG-13 rating. I don't like my Die Hard watered down. I'm already annoyed that most of the action appears to take place in daylight, which (it sounds dumb, I know) bothered me in DHWaV. I guess cuz with the first two, all the action is at night. Shit, the whole franchise started off with a sunset in the original. And I dug Argyle. He was good, but used sparingly. And that was effective. I don't know how it'll be with Mac Guy tagging along the whole way. That scene in the trailer where Kevin Smith yells at him for bringing MacLane into the secret 'fortress' was pretty gay.
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it's denizentastic together!That's probably the right call Abom, since I'm sure your daughter will enjoy TF much more.
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I mean, why not have Michael J. Fox team up with Walter B. instead! Not that I don't like the Mac guy, just not in Die Hard. I don't feel so bad now that Carice Van Houten is coming by your place very, very, very tired and covered in cheadle...
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What hope is there for the rest of the summer movies?
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Or is it hard to find this TB on the main page?
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I would think you would want it out there in front..
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for awhile I just clicked on the top TB's to get here. Maybe people should start talking about this more.
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Bunch of cunts... the fact of the matter is that if Memflix posted a positive review, they wouldn't have said shit about him seeing the movie too early... Hypocrites... Pure Hypocrites...
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The stories here too. http://www.showbizdata.com/news.cfm
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It appears it has been taken down at CNN>>> but this story is far from over I believe..Viva la MEMFLIX!!
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http://tinyurl.com/27fhct
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Your firing, Memflix, was a blessing in disguise.
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This page has been buried methinks. I'd imagine the fact that this fiasco has gone national/international-news styley might be a bit much for Mori to bare. "Head-geek has chosen HD-DVD...here's why" and now "Save Memlix!" Wow, this shit is definitely worthy "Famous/infamous Moments in AICN History" on The Zone...lol!
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to compare a ILM job to that of a projectionist job at a chain theater. Your insanity has rendered me speachless. If these words do not make sense to you, please, PLEASE seek help.
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Thank you, thank you very much! All children welcome, all welcome, in the light...
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...the dumber I become. FOX was perfectly well within its rights to do what they did. The chain was stupid not to have a non-disclosure agreement to sign. Memflix should've known that what he did was unprofessional and a fireable offense. When you work for a company, everything you handle is privlidged. Doesn't matter if you're a janitor or whatever. Memflix did something stupid and the only reason why Moriarity is throwing a temper tantrum is because one of his source for inside info has been cut off. As for this being "put in front of the nation..." the nation doesn't give a shit.
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While I find your defense of memflix noble and all, what planet do you live on? So by your account, since he never signed anything then he is to be given a pass? And do you really believe the crap you wrote about Fox going apeshit over his poor review? All studios do their best to avoid these kinds of leaks whether it be Fox or any other studio. I do believe that Fox overreacted but they certainly aren't the only ones who would do this. The plain and simple truth of it all is this:
If memflix really wanted to avoid this catastrophe all he had to do was have you publish the review under a different name. But obviously he felt the need to bask in the glory of being a known entity here. He wanted to be the great memflix. But his vanity got the best of him.
And while I know it's rather petty on the part of Fox, it also is a necessary step for them to take in order to try and maintain some kind of control of the information that's out there about their movies prior to release. If they could, all studios would do the same. But most of all, memflix knew that on a very fundamental level, he was doing something that his employer would never have wanted him to do and he's been taking advantage of his position to do this for quite a while now.
I just saw FF2 today and the truth is I agree with his review. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the only person memflix has to blame for this predicament is himself. If it hadn't been Fox, it would have eventually been someone else.
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