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Memflix crushes all hope for FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER...

Hey folks, Harry here... this hurts. It seems there is a silver lining, but it doesn't seem enough to save the film - and now... well it seems that there is an ending with that character that's going to piss us off. God... I hope they don't kill him. That would piss me off. What else could they... oh, he could become human... jesus, that'd piss me off. What else could they do to him? Anyway - here's Memflix's spoiler free evisceration of the new FANTASTIC FOUR travesty.

This is Memflix giving you a look at another sequel coming out this summer. To be quite honest, I am looking forward to writing a review for a flick without a number or a colon in the title. Anyway, here it is. As difficult as it was, I decided to view ‘Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer’ as a film, not as a chance for redeeming a franchise. I thought this method might take away any fanboy predilections I had, in anticipation of this second installment to ‘The Fantastic Four’ universe. So, for a moment let’s forget that the first film was without artistic merit. Let’s forget that the story about a family of superheroes is arguably the most adored of all comic book properties. ‘Rise of the Silver Surfer’, opens with a planet light-years away, being obliterated. After the opening credits, we are on Earth getting ready for Sue Storm and Reed Richards to tie the knot. During the preparation, the scientist instead of concentrating on the details of his impending nuptials is busy studying a cosmic anomaly. We soon find out that this cosmic energy is in fact an alien on a surfboard zooming down to Earth to prepare it for destruction. These two storylines are the principle actions guiding the story. There are two other subplots. One is in regards to Dr. Doom being ‘resurrected,’ while the other involves Johnny Storm’s selfish nature endangering his family. Four plots that should make an epic film span a terribly short running time of 1 hour and 30 minutes. Did it work? Did they abandon the goofy nature of the first film and reinvigorate the franchise with an epic story about the fate of the entire planet. No on both counts. The humor is entirely aimed at children (which goes along with its PG rating.) ‘Thing’ is played for laughs without any degree of intensity. Johnny Storm’s crisis of conscience robs all of the charisma established in the first (even if it wasn’t much.) Sue Storm is more of a nag than an asset to the team. In addition, there is nothing to signify Reed Richards as the leader to a powerful team of superheroes. He comes off as a self-esteem deprived, blowhard jackass. There isn’t one iota of chemistry between any of the characters. The wretched family dynamics are trumped only by Dr. Doom, who can only be described as the worst villain to ever grace the screen. Julian McMahon’s portrayal of Victor Von Doom seems barely suited for a Sci-Fi cable channel movie, let alone a mega-budget studio film (not that they always choose the best talent, but come on!). For a story such as this, the amount of claustrophobia throughout, borders on pure agony. It lacks anything even resembling ‘scope of vision.’ The only audience ‘Rise of the Silver Surfer’ is suited for is children between the ages of 5 & 10. Anyone over that age looking for an entertaining piece of escapism will run into a wall of condescension. Now, let’s look at it with comic-book eyes. As most may know, The Silver Surfer works for a planet-devouring villain, Galactus. The Surfer scouts out planets, using his board as a cosmic beacon for Galactus to follow. There is no definition, no rules; they just make them up as they go along. There is no Watcher, so we are told about Galactus through an unbearably cheesy heart-to-heart with Sue and The Surfer. There isn’t a shred of genuine impending doom because they never establish what Galactus really is (in the press kit, under character description, it should just read-big damn tornado). The director Tim Story and his band of screenwriters have once again broken the hearts of FF fans all over. They have no respect. They have no understanding on what makes the ‘Fantastic Four’ story work, or any story for that matter. I gave Tim Story a break the first time around, but not this time. He should’ve looked back at the first one, compared it to the comic book films that work and just said, “Damn! I gotta sit this one out before I do it all over again!” However, he didn’t do that. He looked at the numbers from the first one and assumed that money always equals success. Now as for the screenwriters; give them a Cartoon Network show and let them have at it. If they have any talent, it could be realized there. However, FF2 wasn’t a total failure. The Surfer is phenomenal (with the exception being Lawrence Fishburne’s distracting voice). His entire body seemed to be in constant motion. I was mesmerized for every moment he was on screen. The special effects team did an outstanding job. However, what is perplexing about the look of the Surfer is what it did to the other special effects. Reed’s ability to stretch looked even more unnatural than in the first. Sue’s shield, Johnny’s fire, everything else was sidelined. It was as if the team only concentrated on The Surfer. I have been teetering on the edge of spoiling the end. I won’t, but damn I want to. Any self-respecting Silver Surfer fan would scream! It is horrible. It makes no sense and it will enrage fans even more than Alba being cast as Sue Storm. I will only say this-Hollywood Cop Out. No doubt, this movie will make money. I was shocked by the public’s positive reaction to the first film. Audiences will be so dazzled by the effects that they will forget that they are watching a terrible movie. I knew in my heart it would happen, but I had hoped our optimistic nature would pay off. I was wrong. I won’t make that mistake again, no matter what the ‘Fantastic Four’ future may hold. ‘Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer’ is a disrespectful, sleight of hand circus show devoid of any elements that make a movie a movie. -MEMFLIX
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  • June 9, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte


  • June 9, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    My Bad

    by Magnum Opus

    Who really had high hopes for this movie?

  • June 9, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Did any of you expect a positive review?

    by AndrewWanKenobi

    This is from the director of Barbershop, Taxi, and the Fantastic Four. Think about it.

  • June 9, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    really, should anyone be surprised?

    by LabattsBleu

    Anyone? Bueller? btw, second!

  • June 9, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    that was expected

    by TodayzSpecial

    a shame. I guess marvel decided to use the Fantastic Four to appeal to the kiddie crowd, and not its fanbase. In 20 years, they'll make a good FF four feature. They've screwed it up for the past two generations.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I knew it!!!

    by Boba Fat

    The trailers gave me hope but deep inside I knew it. There's a lesson here if I could only work out what it is......Whoah!!! did you see the I Am Legend trailer, cool!!

  • June 9, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    oh dear

    by Cedar_Room

    Now thats what you might call a negative review. Still - considering the first one was rubbish and its the same people making this have to say you saw it coming. And I don't even like comic books.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Since when was there any hope?

    by grungies

    The best thing any of the trailers had going for them was that they looked slightly less crappy than the last movie.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    ...and what's with...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...making Jessica Alba look like a photo negative of Morticia Addams?

  • June 9, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Yeah, yeah, yeah...

    by 9000rpm

    I'm still more interested in seeing this than SM3 or POTC3. That one scene with the Torch chasing SS and SS just turns around and grabs him...better than the whole SM3 movie.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    But remember ...

    by livrule

    Don't blink!

  • June 9, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST


    by Boba Fat

    Exactly, slightly less crappy. Maybe even watchable but no.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Of course all the effort went into the Surfer

    by alienindisguise

    I keep hearing this is more or less a way for the Surfer to get his own series of films going..unless he dies at the end of this one or something retarded.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by billybobhoyle

    Jessica Alba's hotness could not save this movie???? Bah!! I'll either wait till the 3rd week to use my $5 pass or netflix it in September.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    My 7-year-old loved the first one...

    by Blanket-Man

    I guess he'll love this one, too. That's something, I guess. I was REALLY REALLY hoping they wouldn't f*** up Galactus, though. Dammit.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Not even a review.

    by Tripman5000

    And anyway,I'm ignoring it,cos Harry didn't arrange a screening or get one of his gang to review it,so why should it be posted? Well,he wouldn't do it with all those negative "unofficial"Hostel 2 reviews...;P

  • June 9, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    "big damn tornado"

    by RedEyeDistrict

    Oh come ON!!! Jesus, Vishnu, Allah, Buddha, and Moses RISE AND SMITE DOWN MINE ENEMY, THAT BEING NAMED TIM STORY!!!!!

  • June 9, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Not Only will I see this movie twice,

    by Diagnostic

    I will buy the DVD in 4 months. <br> Take that AICN!

  • June 9, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    He probably doesn't die...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...they probably make him into a good guy who joins forces w/ the FF or some other dumb idea. Then he'll be spun off into his (previously mentioned) own series of films... Silver Surfer: Savior of the Earth!

  • June 9, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    sounds like a total bomb

  • June 9, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by Mogwrath

    The first movie was boring... The second one will be like eating spleeping pills... Let's just hope in 10-12 years, another studio picks up the rights and prepare a reboot...

  • June 9, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Galactus=Big Tornado

    by Nuck81

    I can just see Favreau in Swingers saying "Well we're not in Kansas anymore"

  • June 9, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    If Eli Roth every made a movie for Tom Rothman

    by comedian_x

    this whole site would implode like the house at the end of Poltergeist.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the review

    by IronSpidey

    You just saved me $9.50 and 90 minutes of my time. I'll just keep chanting my mantra though. "Dark Knight, Dark Knight, Dark Knight"

  • June 9, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST


    by BigBlackDude

    I had no hope or exspectations for this movie at all. I'll still go see it though. I'm sorry I'm just a special effects junkie.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Pound Sand?

    by Boba Fat

    I just checked with my 10,000 Myspace friends and they said you should have brought blu ray.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    This film was "Doomed" from the start!

    by CeejayNightwing

    As fun a comic the FF was to read, it is stupid and so i'm not surprised that without any real adpatation going on to reason out the fact that EVERYONE knows where these idiots live, their names and their power limits; that they could last a year in the city without getting killed by any villain super-powered or otherwise! The idea of the "Public" superhero is a kid-friendly load of bollocks that ignores the fact that the reason well imagined Superheroes have secret identities is to protect not only themselves but their loved ones. The first film was cool for kids and fanboys only, this one will be the same. Anyone still buying this out-dated comic hoping for any film to do it "Justice" is kidding themselves. The best a FF film could ever be is a visual treat and not much more. Where talking a silver guy on a surf board.. Jack Kirby must've been on LSD!

  • June 9, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    of course.

    by Reelheed

    I mean - are you suprised???

  • June 9, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST


    by The Dum Guy

    I can honestly say I had (have) absolutely no hope for this, I only hopes it tanks so we won't have to see how bad a third one could be.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Hollywood ending

    by Nuck81

    The Hollywood-esque ending has got to be SS sacrificing himself to destroy the Galactus tornado and saving the Earth. Four Hundred Pound Fat Women with their fingers glistening with popcorn butter everywhere will exclaim how great that movie was....

  • June 9, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by Boba Fat


  • June 9, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Not surprsing really...

    by photoboy

    It was clear when we heard Galactus would be a big fucking cloud that Tim Story had fucked this big time again. I'm sure the same will be true for Bay's TINO movie. Spider-Man 3 is going to be the best movie of this summer it seems.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    reviewer's site

    by memflix

  • June 9, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Instead of "Re-doing" The Hulk

    by Huelya

    they should make an new F4 movie. The First movie was sometimes ... funny, but that's not what I expected from a movie adaptation of my favorite team of heroes.I was reallyso dissapointed of it. Therefore I don't expect much from the sequel and I have no intention to see it. Perhaps in a far, far away future ...

  • June 9, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by BigBlackDude

    The Fantastic Four is goofy period. Anybody who wanted this movie to be good, I'm sorry. Understand that a silly comic book will most likely make silly movie.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Who didn't see this coming?

    by Bass Bastardson

    Seriously. The first one was one of the most sloppy, amateurish and poorly written big budget movies I've seen in recent years. That should have been a sign. Was Tim Story suddenly going to do a 180 and get it right?

  • June 9, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST


    by Quintus_Arrius

    ... the summer is almost over before it has began. Will transforming robots save what seems to be a drab summer... (sigh)

  • June 9, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by Boba Fat

    One man's silly is another man's cool. If you don't like comic books then they're all pretty silly. I have waited years to see a FF film that was true to the books and both these films, especially with the freedom a sequel gives them, are failures.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with Galactus...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    He is soooo going to fire his agent...

  • June 9, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I was anxious, hoped it would be better than 1

    by SpencerTrilby

    seems I was wrong.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte

    by Bass Bastardson

    Umm, regarding your Silver Surfer hypothesis - That's actually what happened in the comics so I doubt that would piss off the fan base very much. Try again.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by Scramble Network

    "...they probably make him into a good guy who joins forces w/ the FF or some other dumb idea. Then he'll be spun off into his (previously mentioned) own series of films... Silver Surfer: Savior of the Earth!" Well... ummm... that kinda is how it went down in the comics, you know. Honestly, I think this review is a tad harsh. First off, FF has mostly been a pretty light-hearted comic. The angst level is relatively low. And really, the way the characters are desscribed here, that's pretty much how they've often been described in the book: Sue can come across as a nag-- she's the maternal figure. Reed is nearly ALWAYS potrayed as a guy who is insecure and obsessed with his work. Johnny having an emotional crisis that makes him grow up a bit is par for the course. And I thought if the first film did something well, it was Ben's adjustment to being the Thing. Rehashing that would've been redundant-- he's made peace with it at the end of the first movie. I dunno, I just think some of this might be expecting something that's NOT in the source material. FF isn't a huge Marvel seller because it IS a more wholesome, kid-friendly book USUALLY (there have been exceptions to this).

  • June 9, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Oh, and on a footnote...

    by SpencerTrilby

    I'm optimistic by nature. My bad.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four still has older fans?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    What? All 12 of them?<BR> If you're gonna make a Fantastic Four movie, are you really gonna target it for adults/college kids? Think about it. The franchise is essentially forgotten...nowhere near as beloved as Spiderman, Batman, or even Transformers. Before the first one was even thinking about Four anymore. Is there still even a comic? I dunno. 90% of people prob don't know. We all know there's a Spiderman comic, cause he's popular. So of course the movie will tilt towards the kiddie segment. It wont be epic.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    I will say though...

    by Scramble Network

    That both movies seem to struggle on the villain front. Tim Story just doesn't make his bad guys bad enough, it seems to me. The big finale of FF1 was a huge letdown... a fight-- in an intersection?

  • June 9, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Tornado Galactus = This years Flames on Viggo's Balls

    by Bass Bastardson


  • June 9, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I love the idea that FF are public superheroes...

    by BillEmic

    ...that's one of the things that's always made them different from the rest of the Marvel Universe. X-Men are feared and hated, Spider-Man is considered a vigilante, etc. but Fantastic Four are CELEBRITIES. That's why they're unique, they're Marvel's First Family. It's a great concept, so don't blame Stan and Jack for the fact that Fox completely fucked it up. This summer has been miserable for sequels so far. It's sad that Transformers is basically our last hope. Spider-Man 3, Pirates 3, FF2, they haven't even been worth the $9. 28 Weeks Later was probably the only interesting movie I've seen so far. Anyway, I'm going to stop ranting because I'm angry and really hungover.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    The very first trailer gave me hope...

    by Fridge

    ...everything after that crushed it. Hell, the PG rating was the icing on the cake. How the fuck do you have a comic book action movie without PG-13 rated violence? It's impossible....unless you're a hack like Tim Story. What I don't understand is how people are still looking forward to this tripe. Yes, the Silver Surfer looks pretty cool, but not $9.50 worthy cool.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Hollywood has chosen "Big Damn Tornado"'s why

    by HypeEndsHere

    they're cunts.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Fuck Hostel!

    by Atticus Finch

    FF has to be better than that piece of shit!

  • June 9, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    That's right. The movie's FAR worse than even this reviewer suggests.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Shat out by 20th Century Fox.......

    by Gabba-UK

    ... the execs there are too busy sucking the jism out of Rupert Murdochs ball sac to take any notice of the fact that the last good movie's they made was X-men 2 and Master and Commander. Fuck 'em I say and I'll keep my money the same way I have with Pirates 3. I'll pass on this one thanks.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Hd-Dvd version?

    by Tripman5000

    Not a chance-Fox DON'T do HD-DVD-ONLY Blu-Ray!

  • June 9, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    And BigBlackDude...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Understand that a crappy director will most likely make crappy films, regardless of the subject matter.<p>The sequel to the first Fantastic Four film was DOOMED the instant the idiots in charge put it back in the hands of Tim Story.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Crushes All Hope?

    by Darth Melkor

    Was there ever any hope? The first film was horrible.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    When FF wasn't for kids...

    by BillEmic

    ...remember Sue Storm's skimpy bikini costume back in the early 90's? What a horrid attempt at making the characters seem "edgy" and "sexy." I don't mind FF being treated as an all-ages property, I just feel like the superhero action should be destructive and epic enough to warrant a PG-13.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Bacci, you post made me sad

    by BillEmic

    "Hollywood has raped so much of my childhood that there isn't much left." That's a pretty rough quote, man. Isn't there anything left that they've got right? There has to be some silver lining...some property that they didn't mishandle...and don't slap Stan Lee, he's really old and I don't think his heart could take it.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by Boba Fat

    What is left to rape?

  • June 9, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    It's a gigantic Fantastic Fuck You!

    by BrowncoatJedi

    They should make Runaways or Power Pack if they want a kids her film. Bleeeccch.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Hate to say... I'll still see it...

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    Because I'm a douche. Hey, I think the first film is miles better than Ghost Rider though. Both shit, but F4 is kinda watchable in a 'hey, it's a comic book movie done like X-Men never happened'. And for show, I don't like ANY of the Burton Batmans. But I LOVE LOVE LOVE Batman Begins.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I didn't think the first film was THAT bad...

    by Thick McRunFast

    ...and I suspect that'll be reaction to the sequel, too. If there one thing there is certainty about, however, it's fanboy overreaction.

  • June 9, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    I no longer give a shit

    by emeraldboy

    what the media thinks about movies. No, really I dont. I dont give a shit what people on this site think about films either. Because your all so fucking biased. I thought the first film was fun. I knew that I would not be getting a movie with a pixar message or a moral of some kind. I realised that the movie wasnt perfect no film is. bar casablanca, which is the greatest movie ever made. and there are other movies from other genres are great too. The original superman movies are all dated. Star wars saga is finished. If you all want more violent comics, then youll have to wait unitll sin city 2 comes out. Sin city was for my money one of the souless movies I have ever seen. Mickey Rourke kicked ass though I will admit. I like history of violence. But a summer movie season full, noirish comic book movies, where everyone is nasty and violent. Not for me. If you like that, go ahead. This summer is far from over. I cant wait for what i thank will the best film of the summer:HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER PHOENIX. I cant wait to see the transformers and Homer S. Quit writing off movies. That guy who hated FF2, when into the movie hating, sat through it and hated it. and guess what he was playing to the gallery. You all hate this film. moan. moan. moan.....

  • June 9, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    Bass Bastardson

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Obviously I'm not a comic book fan. If that's the way the Surfer's story went, then I don't see any uniqueness in telling it on film. The ultra cool villain becoming good at the end has been done to death, Darth Vader is an example; and effects wise the Surfer looks an awful lot like the T-1000. <p> I can't imagine what could be more of a dumb Hollywood ending than the Surfer turning good guy.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Silver Surfer is Cool and all, but...

    by jeffrex007

    C'mon, the concept never made any sense. Ok, I understand why comic creators in the 60s would give a character a surf board, the Beach Boys were around, etc. But if you think about it for a few seconds, the whole thing falls apart. Why would Galactus give Norrin Radd a surf fly on... through space... Was Galactus a surfer before his universe was destroyed? Was Norrin Radd a surfer on Zenn-La? Are there surfers on other planets? You see what I'm saying? I know, suspension of disbelief, but really... an alien giving another alien a water-centric earth object to fly in space? That makes no sense.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    yeah... but it was groovy, man.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    i will explain how Surfer makes sense

    by HypeEndsHere

    it's a guy. made of chrome. flying through space. on a damn surfboard. and he shoots cosmic rays from his hands and shit. and works for a world-eater. in the world of fantasy in print, it makes a whole lot of sense... to the ten year old boy in all of us.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    But do they play "California Girls" at any point?

    by PacmanFever

    You know; while he's surfing. I think that's something we all need to know.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    This movie will make $300 million.

    by Razorback


  • June 9, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    You guys are jerks....

    by nelwack

    I dont care man, I liked the first one. Yeah I was drunk, but hey, I usually am. Its not supposed to be a serious movie. I havent seen this second one yet, but I'm sure it cant be that bad.... I'll see it tonight. Its either that or Hostel....

  • June 9, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    Relax, man and have another 7 and 7. Fantastic Four hasn't come out yet.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Bass Bastardson

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...did a little research... it seems the Surfer doesn't become the cheerful good guy after all. He's much more of an ambiguous character; but I'm sure that will all be done away with if they give him his own series of films.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    If it only had the End kill, if only!

    by MontyPigeon

    It would be classed as the greatest sequel of the summer. Tim Story let everyone down by not putting the Surfers penis being cut off scene in. Oh well always next time cry 7000 My Space friends.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    what if the movie is really a lot worse than this

    by Trader Groucho 2

    and this guy was the plant???

  • June 9, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Did he really see this movie?

    by mr dark

    this review if you can call it that is just a hate fest on Story and the franchise. I gotta wonder if this reviewer did go in wanting to dislike it..It seemed the only redeeming aspect of the film was the surfer effects for bad..I will still see it...nuff said..

  • June 9, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Silver Surfer turns into Jeff Spicoli!

    by D. Allusion


  • June 9, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST


    by Dr Gregory House

    Did they leave any shots of Silver Surfer's nutsack in the final cut or do we have to wait for the special edition director's cut dvd?

  • June 9, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST


    by jro123

    They should start from scratch like the're doing with "HULK". Hire real talent this time!

  • June 9, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    gonna be putting a bunch of negative reviews eh ?

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    i bet its better than spiderman 3

  • June 9, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Why do we keep getting shity

    by Zach_Talks_Back

    Why do we keep getting shity comic book movies....and movies in general... what a bad year.... makes you realize what a wonderful movie year 2006 really was... the only decent movies we have so far are 300, Pirates 3 is OK, and Knocked Up.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    It's time for Ridley Scott...

    by Crusher Creel

    ... to direct a fucking comic book film the man knows what the fuck he is doing and makes movies badass. Fox, Sony, whoeverthefuck... sign him up please and stop hiring fucking directors from Barbershop.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Its fox there will not be a hd dvd version fox is blura

    by skiff

    fox stopped new hd dvds when the codes were broke

  • June 9, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I still don't get why Alba is a star!

    by GQtaste

    She's wooden, stale, couldn't deliever a line to save her life.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Why would anyone expect differently?

    by jimmy_009

    Fantatistic 4 isn't exactly Shakespeare. Some things just don't translate to live action without coming off as really silly, and FF4 is one of those things. You could tell me there was a right way to do it and they just missed the mark, but c'mon. It's just a goofy concept to begin with.

  • June 9, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Memflix had chosen HD-DVD and here is why ....

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    i hope your review for spiderman 3 and batman begins and superman returns was the same

  • June 9, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Where is Jack Kirby's design?

    by VideoVorlon

    Two feature films and still not a single set, prop, costume, vehicle, weapon, tool or device that looks like it was designed (or even influenced) by Jack Kirby.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    adding insult to injury

    by waggy

    Tim Story has just signed on to direct the adaptation of the Vertigo series The Losers. Anyone who's read that comic knows it could be made into a kickass movie by a blind retard. Too bad they got the guy who made Blandtastic Bore instead. And seriously, can anyone deny that Julian McMahon's Dr Doom is the worst movie supervillain outside of a Shumacher Batman movie?

  • June 9, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Spider-man 3 haters should be ashamed...

    by Seph_J

    ... you dont know a perfectly splendid comic book film when you see one. FF however, was not. And, unfortunately, FF2, won't be either. I want hand written apologies sent to Raimi.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by chi3fhog

    let them get Watchmen right.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Jessica Alba...

    by Seph_J

    ... IS Nancy Callaghan. And should only do Sin City movies for the rest of her life. Or I'd happily employ her round at mine. I need an odd-job girl... to do some really... odd jobs.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I don't understand....

    by Jarek

    All the Eli Roth hate. He might not be the most amazing horror director of all time, but he's competent and fairly inventive. He actually knows how to build suspense, and makes semi-classically made horror films. Then there's a contingent here that jumps all over James Wan as the next big thing.... a director with no understanding of suspense whatsoever and covers this up using cheap jump-cut editing.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Eli Roth would have made this movie better

    by Mister Fame

    The Silver Surfer would have a prosthetic penis.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Jeffrex - Silver is the color of a hypodermic needle

    by Trader Groucho 2

    So the Silver Surfer is clearly a metaphor for heroin. You think at first it's really cool, then it completely fucks up your world. That 60s enough for ya?

  • June 9, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST


    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    A huge franchise. How do you see the first film and then let the same creative team go at it again for number 2...i know, i know, 150 million dollars.....ugh

  • June 9, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Sue Storm should take the knot

    by godoffireinhell

    especially if she's played by Alba if you know what I mean!

  • June 9, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    . . .and another childhood memory crumbles.

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

    please Hollywood, no more.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Transformers can still save the summer

    by cleftasunder

    Spiderman sucked, this is going to suck. I have hope for Transformers!

  • June 9, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    "Transformers can still save the summer"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Let me get this straight...<P>FF1 includes the most spot-on adaptation of characters from the source material wrapped in a lukewarm script and that's bad. All appearances suggest this will continue with FF2.<P>TF includes the worst adaptation of characters from the source material wrapped in a horrible script and that's good.<P>...<P>lol

  • June 9, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    The savior of summer '07....

    by waggy

    is the one event movie I keep forgetting even comes out this summer, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. If there is a sure thing this year, that's it.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    But what do i know?

    by waggy

    I would've told you Spider-man 3 was a sure thing too......

  • June 9, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Totally, I agree.

    by nelwack

    Yes sir, I do agree with you. Transformers does look like the biggest wort on the ugliest whore in all of nasty land. Whats that you say? You think Fantastic Four will be great? Hmmm. Well I guess you have a point my freind, it does look totally awesome....Not like that holocaust that is Transgender, In theatres near you July 4th

  • June 9, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Jessica Alba is not Sue Storm

    by BillEmic

    Sue Storm should be MATRONLY. There is nothing matronly about Jessica Alba - the fact that a legion of fanboys wanna suck her teets like little babies doesn't count either. They should have cast someone like Laura Dern or Cate Blanchett. Then again, that would have required a CLASSY and REVERENT approach to the source material, something that Tim Story and Fox have clearly been unable or unwilling to do since day one.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    It seems there is a silver lining

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Behind Cloud Galactus.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Time for a reboot...

    by Frank Black

    Isn't that what they do now if a movie doesn't work the first time around, (Hulk, etc.)??? Is there any hope for a good super hero movie ever? Answer... NO! Everyone has their own idea of what elements they want from their superhero movie and not everyone will be happy. Can't wait for the Submariner movie starring The Rock.

  • June 9, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    There are good movies out..

    by Volstaff

    Just not the ones that have been hyped to death. I saw Knocked Up friday, anbd to me it's the best movie so far, hands down. Then we saw Ocean's 13..Eh, better than the second one.. I knew FF was going to be shit when Jessica Alba said at the MTV Movie Awards "it's going to be the best family comedy of the summer!" ( I shit you not).

  • June 9, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    PG IS FOR HOMOS!!!!!

    by ludmir88

    Harry is a completist so he will buy this movie on HD DVD anyway.tHANKS Memflix, i won¡t see this at all. we need information about that cloud!!!

  • June 9, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four was a deadly serious "comic" book...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The FF film was accepted by people who don't don't remember or don't know that the the FF beginning with the mid-60's prime Lee/Kirby stories, though at times light-hearted, were epic, dramatic, cosmic, and deadly serious. Or who just don't care. Of the books I've seen from the 60's Marvel Age, it can be said that Spiderman and Fantastic Four were the heart and soul, Stan Lee's best work. That's where the quality was. And it's a shame that the Lee/Kirby epicness never translated to the FF film(s). But I think that's what you're going to get when you hire as director a guy who does low budget comedies like Barbershop and Taxi. I understand Fox's thinking, that the FF lacked general mass popularity so in order to make it a proper investment, they went with minimal budget ensemble comedic adventure, hence, directed by Tim Story. And it paid off. But folks familiar with those epic FF stories have still been cheated. And even with a low budget, we could still have gotten that old Lee/Kirby mythic storytelling. Look at what they did with "300"'s budget. I didn't think the first FF film was that bad, and the Extended Edit. DVD is a much better flick than the original, but it just ain't right for what was once "the World's Greatest Comic Magazine." I really think it's possible to make that serious FF movie. Now that these characters are firmly planted in the minds of the general audience, perhaps they can get away with a bigger budget serious re-boot a few years from now. It's all about bringing in the right director.

  • June 9, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    No surprise there...

    by Redfive!

    Tim Story is just as bad as Mark Steven Johnson,a no talent hack whos never done anything credible. Im sure The Surfer looks amazing,actually he does,ive seen the trailers,PLEASE NO F4-3

  • June 9, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Release the unreleased first film!!!!!!

    by ludmir88

    you know ...the banned one

  • June 9, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    In the comics the silver surfer was colored white.

    by Rolling_Stone

    That's why this chrome look just doesn't do it for me. Also at the end I bet after he kills Galactus he regains his human form and grows his pecker back.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST


    by waggy

    You nailed it there. I've hated the choice of Jessica Alba from the start. Not because she's latina, but because she's nothing like Sue. She should be a milf, not a bombshell. When they first started the casting process, i wanted them to get Ellen Pompeo (pre-Grey's).

  • June 9, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    It'll be good reading Harry's savage attack on the film

    by Ryan3

    I avoided the first FF film, (based on Harry's savage attack of it) and look forward to reading his analysis of FF4 II, so I can avoid it also, if he blasts it.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Laura Dern? Yes, Laura Dern! Laura Dern! Laura Dern!

    by Immortal_Fish

    Cheers, BillEmic. Back when everyone was clamoring for Charlize Theron, I was pounding for Laura Dern. Despite her being a little too oldish, she would have brought the "hesitant, little hurt" behind the delivery required for such a character as Sue.<P>But we got Alba instead. And given the scope of FF1, she mostly delivered. Not exactly what I would have liked, but also not completely out of character; again, given the family film boilerplate that FF1 was seeking.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Don't forget, They're boning the Super Skrull too.

    by rgatz

    They just wanted to show could suck the wind out of two great storylines (I'm thinking of the Ultimate Skrull plotline)

  • June 9, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Charlize Theron

    by Chishu_Ryu

    "Yeah, let me just think of the hottest white chick actress out there..." Oh ye of little imagination. At least casting a latina Jessica Alba showed some thinking outside the box...

  • June 9, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    You know, we had a great Fantastic Four movie

    by Trader Groucho 2

    It was called The Incredibles.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Did any of you expect more, FOX has been ...

    by Lost Skeleton

    buttfucking Marvel's properties hard since X-Men 3. At least Sony made an honest attempt with Spidy 3, which is still miles better than the Rat's X-3. I am glad Marvel is producing its on movies (The Hulk reboot sounds great) because Fox is just cashing checks now. And that PG rating was as big a disappointment as the PG-13 for Die Hard. Disappointing.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    It is a mystery.

    by mrfan

    The F.F. has some great potential for the big screen. So does all of Marvels comics. Special efffects are available now to do almost anything so that shouldn't be a problem. I just don't understand why the screen writers say they have always loved the character(s) and still mess it up as well as the directors. Too bad.<p>I will be taking my son to the F.F. next weekend. He and I both want to see it. I know he will enjoy it. I know I will enjoy it less. Still, I enjoy going to the movies even the bad ones. I love the movie experience. I want this movie to be good. I doubt it will. I just don't get the movies this summer. They seem so "blah." I really haven't seen anything to keep me excited after seeing it. I hope something comes along to do that.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Can Marvel Studios "reboot" this in a couple of years?

    by The Grey Ghost

    Hopefully this film will underperform, so that can be the case.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Jeezus Pogo-sticking Christ with Marshmellows & Nuts

    by LargoJr

    Did ANY of you actually consider the possibility of an alternate outcome? This movie was doomed to suck ass the second the posters came out with Alba in the middle of the group with her tits enhanced even MORE then the first film.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Yes, we had a great rip-off of the Fantastic Four

    by Immortal_Fish

    The completely derivative and unimaginative Incredibles.<P>Did it entertain? Certainly! Did I dig it? Certainly! Was it unoffensive family fare similar to FF1? Certainly! Was it pedestrian in every shape of the imagination? Certainly! Did it get away with major beats simply because it was animated instead of live action? Certainly!<P>And in case you missed it the first time -- was it as unimaginative and possessive of the same familial beats as Miss Congeniality? CERTAINLY!!

  • June 9, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    I can believe it.

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    This is a really well-written review with a solid comic book lover's foundation. Thanks for taking the time to write in, Memflix. What a fucking tragedy. After the first one I wanted to seriously bite on railroad tracks for a week... this time I'll be camping out for a month.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Looks like a DEPARTED ripoff

    by J-Dizzle

    Oh come on. It can't be all THAT be bad, can it?

  • June 9, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    About the trashing of the Super Skrull option

    by Immortal_Fish

    Please. The idea of the FF swapping powers is certainly not new. The source material explored this 30 years ago.<P>Honestly, I hate it. I think it's because of Chiklis's ego that he must show his human face onscreen, similar to Maguire's act thru all 3 Spidey films.<P>But this doesn't mean it is unoriginal or "theft".<P>Hell, for what it's worth, the Justice League explored this same situation in 2002.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    spectacular stretching

    by Calico Pete

    One day I hope we get a FF movie that captures the sense of awe and wonder of 60s super-science, and that makes Mr. Fantastic fantastic, stretching all over the place, limbs everywhere, body tangled in a way that we can't even follow, that's how strange it looks, but which works for him. And The Thing needs to be commiting acts of mass and strength on camera, not flattening cars offscreen; and he's gotta be wider than a guy covered in foam please.

  • June 9, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    The Thing's angst

    by Calico Pete

    BTW if Peter Parker is angsting over th the same hangnail for 3 flicks already, I think The Thing might still be a tad uncomfortable in only his 2nd one, no?

  • June 9, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    No way?! I'm shocked....

    by Mr Chuff

    I'm also taking the anyone expected this to be good? F4 fans, I bow my head before you. Now you know how Batman & Robin felt for me....

  • June 9, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Calico Pete

    by Immortal_Fish

    What do you think of Ang Lee's portrayal as the Hulk?<P>You did know that Ang Lee was the motion capture artist for the Hulk, yes?

  • June 9, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Anyone that writes about the FF as..,

    by Immortal_Fish

    The F4 should be immediately disqualified. Evidently, they have not been reading any Bullpen Bulletins from the last 30 years.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST


    by Calico Pete

    OT: If Marvel wants to introduce the world to its "second-stringers" (as the studios see them), instead of putting them in The Avengers, or in the direct-to-DVD cartoons, or even in their own shitty origin movie, put them in a high-budget version of Marvels. The POV of that story is from the public's eye, from the non-powered humans perspective. It's a perfect introduction to a gazillion heroes/villains. Because the audience IDs with the normals in the story, they end up being in awe and fascinated by the marvels walking around. If Joe Shmoe is going "wow, who's that guy with the shield and wings on his head? he's awesome! I must know more!" what better set-up for a Captain America movie? "OMG! It was scary and weird how that guy in the speedo with the wings on his feet just came out of the sky like that and pummelled the Hulk! I simply must watch him in his own movie to find out what the deal is with him!"

  • June 9, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    NICE Review without...

    by Boober

    giving away the movie. The era of cross-marketing for more $$$ at the expense of great movie-making has arrived. HURRAY! TF is our last hope? PS.."Pound Sand" - best Talkbacker name ever...

  • June 9, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by Boober

    Reinvent Doom as the ultimate mastermind and you have your FF movie. Maybe ole' timmy should look to ole' K. Soze for inspiration. SHEESH.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST


    by Calico Pete

    Yes, I knew that, but I'm not sure I ever fully believed it. As far as I understand it, Ang gave a performance for some scenes, mostly as reference material, or as a guide to the animators. They also used Eric Bana and various athletes in their reference work. The final "performance" is an amalgam... not sure if Ang Lee was the main mocap guy even, or just heavily into acting onset. But regardless, what did I think of the Hulk's performance? Thought it was great! Much more subtle and evocative than the other newsmaking CG performance at the time (Gollum) which had too much mugging and eye rolling.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Great idea about "Marvels," Calico Pete

    by Immortal_Fish

    That should have been employed by Ghost Rider. Make him an intangible character that interacts perpendicularly. Everything that should have done with the (completely faithful) adaptation of Ghost Rider. That movie was weaker for making the titular character the protagonist. I hate McFarlane, but this is why he claims that the Spawn flick underwhelmed; that it focused on the character of Spawn.<P>And yet, you can't really do that with every superhero. Certainly not the FF. Horror based horoes are much more easier. If any comic property was begging for camp and child-friendly adaptation, it is the FF.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    great moment in the 1st FF movie

    by Calico Pete

    There was a moment of real artistic vision in the first (non-Corman) movie. It's the scene were the wave of cosmic radiation is coming at them in space, right before Ben Grimm is hit with it it's reflected in his helmet as he looks out at it. There was something beautiful about that moment, those series of shots, that really captured something full of awe.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Calico Pete

    by waggy

    Love the idea as Marvels is my favorite comic book ever. Only problem is every single one of us would go apeshit if they didn't include the battle of Torch and Namor, the coming of Galactus, the death of Gwen Stacy, the X-Men and the Sentinels.... (see why this could prove a problematic adaptation?)

  • June 9, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST


    by Immortal_Fish

    From what I gather, Ang was "the" guy doing motion capture. Somthing about him being dissatisfied with how the Hulk should move onscreen.<P>Something that dismays me, given how he was portrayed. Look, story, execution, acting all aside -- I really dug how the Hulk moved in that flick. The waving arms, mid-flight. The hopping bounce after landing from a miles long leap. The imbalance after throwing something. Etc, etc. All this may be lost with the next guy. Hopefully not.<P>Ultimately, what I was asking you about back there was essentially what makes someone yearn for a CGI actor vs. a man-in-suit actor, capable or otherwise. Here in AICN, it appears that man-in-suit is needed when CGI is used and vice versa.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    did anyone else expect the cloud thing to work

    by palewook

    hell no. wait for this PoS to come to cable (screw renting it)

  • June 9, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    And this surprises anyone?

    by lalalandlovechild

    We ALL knew this would suck, just like the first one. I feel for you Memflix. SS is my fave Marvel char. I'm afraid to see this movie. Gotta say, tho. I don't mind looking at Jessica Alba doing anything at all.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    For any of you FF fans out there...

    by blindambition238

    Im not ragging out you, since I never gave the FF a real shot except in the ultimate incarnation, but what is it that makes them so great per say? I never could get into them since I always saw them as being Marvel heroes for kid. But I was just wondering what I'm missing out on. Maybe I can pick up a few collections.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by Boober

    Doom DEFINES the FF4. HE is what makes them strive to be great. Doom is the most flawed character in the "soon to be?" franchise, so you will NEVER get the FF that made the comic famous.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    I'm going to kill myself

    by nelwack

    I am going to kill myself unless someone agrees with me that the first Fantastic FOur kicked ass.....

  • June 9, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST


    by Calico Pete

    Loooved the way the Hulk moved. All those nuances you mention are part of what made that character execution so great. You're absolutely right about that. <br><br>Look, IMO the era of "man-in-suit! man-in-suit!" vs. CG is over. These fantastical characters are so outside reality that they have to be a special effect creation. Part of them may be CG. Part of them may be makeup. Part of them may be rubber suit. Doesn't matter. CG mocap is a virtual suit for all intents and purposes. <br><br>I'm all for using the tools avl to first of all get a performance as full of emotion and physicality as needed, and secondly to convey the fantastic aspect of the character. I want my brain to look at it and not be able to process it for a minute because it's never seen anything like it before. I don't want to look at it and go "oh yeah, nice makeup" or start wondering how I could make make my next ComicCon costume look like it. I don't care if The Thing is CG or a suit, I just don't want it to look like obviously like either. Go the Pan's Labyrinth faun route, I sez. <br><br>BTW from the trailers, I'm not impressed by how the Surfer moves. In that scene with the missiles, the way he zigzags around on the surfboard looks too mechanical IMO, lacking the organic naturalness of the Hulk (for example).

  • June 9, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by Russman

    Had to get that one in. God I miss Venure Brothers. Can't wait till it comes back on.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Now that's one movie I

    by Fenrisulfr

    Now that's one movie I couldnt care less about ! I am SICK of superhero movies. Really SICK, for proof, I didn't even go watch Spidey 3. I hope this silver surfer crashes and melt !

  • June 9, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    FF bitch-off

    by huggerorange

    I agree with the terrible way theyve treated the fantastic four translation to film. Ive always complained about every way theyve handled the first movie(and probably the second)..starting with the casting..(especially Things' teeny physical size,The Thing is supposed to be this huge rock monster about the size of the Hulk in the comics and hes Shorter than fucking Sue Storm!!). At least Ang Lee's Hulk got the size right. Speaking of Sue Storm, trying to make an obviously latin girl blonde and white--it doesnt work!! Jessica Alba is hot dont get me wrong, but i dont know why they insist on making her a blonde when her skin is dark brown and looks totally hispanic!!?? Not to mention the fake ass blue contacts. If they wanted to be faithful to Sue Storms looks from the comics- at least make it believable. As if hollywood is in short supply of blonde white chicks..You might as well get Halle Berry and die her hair blonde-at least youd have some acting chops! The Human torch and Mr. Fantastic arent bad casting to me..but the blandness of Dr. Doom surely is...not in the least an intimidating bad guy. Hopefully this movie isnt as bad as it sounds. At least theyre not showing you every action scene in the movie on the this first one did.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST


    by blindambition238

    I didnt mean that I was wondering why the movies suck, cause thats obviously justp lain bad scripting and direction, and yea you dont have to tell me about Doom sucking on film since hes a villan who transcends FF mythos, but I just meant why on print the FF were so great. I dig just about every Marvel character except for them, who I just kinds see as , well the're there, but dont really have much to offer. I was hoping someone could reccomend some collections. I mean Batman has his Long Halloween, Arkham, DKR, and Year One, I was wondering if theres something the FF could offer me.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Good review

    by Turd Furgeson

    I get the feeling that Memflix was actually holding back his real feelings... That sucks, These movies could have been so great! Even geared toward kids they still could have been great.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST


    by Calico Pete

    You're right; geeks would freak out if they can't get those moments in there. However, Marvel might be able to work out $$$ deals with Fox, Sony, etc to allow for certain moments, or maybe to show somewhat-recognizable likenesses of those characters (maybe with different costumes, like silver-age variations for the XMen) without actually naming them. They could even transpose certain scenes to other characters... use a non-Human Torch fire guy (or gal) to fight Namor. We in the audience will know the truth. Anyway, even if they don't literally adapt Marvels, if they just want to take the framework and make a movie about superheroes from a bystander perspective, it's a chance to capture the imagination of audiences and see who they clamor to know more about w/o having to make a movie that struggles with explaining the hows and wherefores of weirdos like Ghost Rider, Thor, Namor, etc and ends up being campy, shitty, or Elektra. Think about all the attention and speculation Heroes engendered. The audience saw someone in one scene displaying a cool power and all of a sudden there was massive speculation about that character's past and their connection to everyone else and on and on it went. If you amp that up you could easily spin off a feature film for any one of the Marvel characters that inspires that kind of public interest.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Bruce Campbell should've played the big tornado...

    by Edward_nygma

    ...he can so do this part.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    And why is this site running so fucking slow?

    by Turd Furgeson

    What's up with the fucking servers? Been this way all fucking week!

  • June 9, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Memflix is a FRAUD. Just saw the film in the UK.

    by roy stalin

    I just came from a UK screening at Leicester square and Memflix couldn't be further from the truth. First, I seriously doubt Memflix actually saw the film - there is not ONE thing in his lame "review" that is not in the trailers, or the novel. He is just a HATER who wants to be the first to dump on the film. I asked this bloke from Fox about other screenings and he said this was the first screening ANYWHERE, so I know Memflix is lying and trying to seem like he’s got the goods. Well, Memflix, you don’t. Now go away. To prove I actually saw the film, I will give away some spoilers – first, they show us shots of the real Galactus in this film. Not a cosmic storm, but the horned badass we all wanted to see. You see him several times. Another spoiler, the very end of the film (in the middle of the credits) promises a stand-alone SS movie. The Surfer has momentarily beaten Galactus and the last shot of the movie shows him hovering around earth. Want another one? Johnny steps up and becomes a real hero at the end of this one. He puts aside his selfishness and takes on ALL the FF's powers and beats the crap out of Doom. Want another one? The FF and the military manage to capture the Surfer at one point and the Surfer tells Sue about his past and about how she reminds him of his love on Zenn-La and how he serves as the herald in order to spare his world. The plot is straight from the origins of the Surfer – he has come to earth to prepare it for Galactus but the FF’s humanity re-awakens that last part of Norrin Radd within him. BOTTOM LINE: IT'S ALL IN THERE. Has this site become just a forum for whiny haters who just want to be "first" to dump on something? This film is COOL AS BALLS. Is this the R-rated Fan 4? No. Of course not. But who was asking for that? Does Memflix have some secret Sue Storm film he wants to shoot in his basement? This film is so much fun and is such a BIG step up from the first film. The action kicks ass and the FF step up to save the world. There are 5 BIG sequences, including one where they save our beloved London Eye from toppling into the Thames. That got a big reaction from this crowd. It's got the Fantasticar doing some great stuff, including a sweet bit where it splits into pieces to avoid Doom (who has taken the power cosmic). It's got a HOT Jessica Alba. Chiklis IS Ben Grimm. Memflix is just a hater. Go see the film. I had a great time, so will you.

  • June 9, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    hey nelwack

    by barbossa78

    how ya wanna go dude?....ill call Kevorkian....

  • June 9, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    fuck these Tim Story

    by huggerorange

    fuck these Tim Story fantastic four movies and release the low budget version that they made in the 1990s

  • June 9, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Roy Stalin, does Stretchy do anything other than...

    by Calico Pete

    ...stretch his arms across rooms? If so, I'm officially excited.

  • June 9, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    bring Wolverine!!

    by huggerorange

    the first xmen movie wasnt that great to me either..The best part was wolverines whole introduction..after that the movie kind of took a nose dive..even though the casting wasnt bad. The second Xmen was much better. They shouldve made the X2 story the first movie with wolverines X1 intro..cause it wouldve been even better. I have high hopes for the new Wolverine,Hulk and the new Iron man movie...comic book movies have been very lacking lately.

  • June 9, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Seeing this 4 times and buying the Blu-Ray Disc

    by Neil McCauleys Crew

    for every positive Hostel/Transformers review on this site!

  • June 9, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    The last truly badass comic

    by huggerorange

    The last truly badass comic film i saw was blade 2.,..when will there be another blade movie???

  • June 9, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    There was never any hope to crush

    by Anti-fanboy

    Hack directors who churn out utterly mediocre crap like the first FF movie never rise (eh, whatever) above that level of pablum (, whatever) no matter how great the source material. Might as well call this Story's Law.

  • June 9, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Not reading it

    by Mr_X

    <p>Not reading the review for this or transformers. these are the two blockbusters i wanna see this summer has been absolutely crap for blockbusters</p> <p> there were many haters for fantastic four 1, but i actually loved it, and im sure that i'll love this one as well. </p>

  • June 9, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Galactus has picked HD DVD...and here's why

    by boba_rob

    Because hes a big f***ing cloud!!!! That doesn't make any sense I know.

  • June 9, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    "Four plots that should make an epic film span a terribly short running time of 1 hour and 30 minutes" When memflix says this is he referring to the first movie or the second?Cause FF 2 has a running time of two hours .

  • June 9, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I don't think Marvel ever really cared ...

    by cripeman

    ... about the FF property.

  • June 9, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    As I've said from the get go folks, TOA=Turd On Arrival

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    The first one sucked donkey balls so did anyone really expect the 2nd one to be any better? Fuck this film. I won't even bother with a DVD rental on it like I did the 1st one. Same goes for Ghost Rider which I never saw and never will. TOA folks TOA.

  • June 9, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    How to do a FF movie?

    by jfp2007

    I'm a comics fan, but I'm ignorant of the FF beyond certain things. If these new FF movies were done "the right way" meaning a fan of the material made it and it was both faithful and a well-made film, what would I expect from it? I'll read any responses later because I'd like to know.

  • June 9, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    ghost rider was the biggest piece of shit movie ive seen in any genre. It makes Daredevil/Elektra deserve an oscar for best movie. They really fucked that up for everyone..the trailers for that movie were really retarded you could tell we were going to get a steamy pile of shit on a plate. But i refused to make a judgement and decided to see it anyway with my gf at the draft house...dude we wound up walking out. We didnt walk out on the first fantastic four movie...enough said.

  • June 9, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    waggy's right - it's all up to HP5

    by kevred

    Help me, Order Of The Phoenix, you're my only hope... seriously, it will feel like a tall glass of lemonade next to all the absolute rubbish that's being churned out.<P>There was no good first trailer for FF2. There was no good 2nd trailer. All the trailers, all the footage, all the Surfer effects, everything about this movie has all been utter crap. Junk. Second-rate shit that no one will care about after opening day, and those who cared beforehand will stop.<p>I remember that talkback for the first trailer where so many people were going gaga over that crappy Terminator Surfer. You know who you were, and I hope you've repented. How could anyone see him morph through his board, morph through a building with a crappy early-90s Java-reflecting-pool effect, and think this was going to be anything other than junk?<p>Heath Ledger and Iron Man are suddenly the only bright spots on the superhero-flick horizon. Here's hoping the sorry bastards behind films like FF2 will learn their damn lesson.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    i dunno Jfp2007 what would be the "right way" to make a fantastic four movie.. but to my tastes .. Cut out all of that baby teen sitcom humor out. Make the Thing bigger than 5 foot 5 and truly badass ,not just an excuse to say: "its clobberin time". Give Mr fantastic something cool to do and either keep jessica alba a brunette or hire a real blonde to play the invisible woman. Theres also no interesting story to dr doom in the first one..except that hes rich and mean...big fucken deal!! Get someone fucking evil to do Dr doom..and then maybe youll get a cooler darker story out of the fantastic four. The problem i think here is that the fantastic four characters lend themsleves well to market to 5-13 year olds which means more box office dollars probably..thats why we keep getting the PBS sesame street version of FF instead of the HBO version. and thats why its not going to appeal to people of our age group assumming most of us are around 20-35 year olds..where this is just baby shit humor to us. The original FF comics werent that dark to me but they werent this light hearted either..the new movie is getting a PG rating ??come on..

  • June 9, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    I'm not surprised...

    by Crimson King

    This movie was destined to blow the moment it was ill-conceived...

  • June 9, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    WaH wah the drama for your Mama

    by Yeti

    Seriously it's a supposed to be a fun popcorn movie. That's it. For charecter development, angst, deeper meaning and the unbearable lightness of being (whatever) see Shakespere.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST

    However bad this is (and I'm

    by oblivious1972

    However bad this is (and I'm not expecting much) it'll still be 100% better than that pile of shit Ghost Rider. He's gonna fuck Preacher up sooo bad.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    FF2 -- SPOILERS! (No, I'm Not Kidding!)

    by Admiral Nelson

    Didn't any of you see the "First Listen" article a couple of weeks ago on John Ottman's new "FF2" score? You can hear sound clips there (which are pretty good, BTW), but the track titles definitely give away major plot points. For instance, Track 13: "Springing the Surfer." That's clearly the FF rescuing him, and why would you "rescue" a villain unless he's going to turn around and help you? Track 17: "Silver Savior/Aftermath." Well, there you go -- he turns into a good guy and saves the day. If you don't believe me, just go here:

  • June 9, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Ghost shit

    by oblivious1972

    However bad this is (and I'm not expecting much) it'll still be 100% better than that pile of shite Ghost Rider - he's gonna fuck Preacher up sooo bad.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    fuck you and your shakespeare comments.. people like you are the reason we get this dumbed down lame "fun popcorn" movie shit . Movie making shouldnt be reduced to this black and white way of thinking..either its dramatic shakespeare or its a "fun popcorn movie" and we throw some action in and can blow off any quality of script and be content with this. This is your american fat-cow way of thinking Yeti...get the fuck outta here as deniro would say.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    And one more thing: Avi Arad's a Dick

    by Admiral Nelson

    Does anyone remember how, 2 years ago, after the original "Fantastic Flop" appeared, Avi Arad said publicly that, "Batman Begins came and went?" Yeah dude -- "BB" went on... to become one of the best-reviewed films of 2005, one of the best reviewed comic book films ever, was still in theaters after "FF" departed, and made more money worldwide than "FF." So Avi, remember that when "The Dark Knight" comes out, your "FF2" film will be in the DVD remainder bins at Wal-Mart for $7.50.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST


    by warpspasm


  • June 9, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    I hope Stalin is right...cuz someone's

    by Boober

    a bullshitter. Memflix? Stalin? If Memflix is a liar, ban him. If Stalin is a liar, ban him. Ca-peesh? PS Alba totally Swedified is f*cking HOT in an almost alien sort of way with those contacts. MEEEYOWZA!

  • June 9, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Remember the 'make believe' screening in seattle...

    by warpspasm

    YYYeah...aicn were first on the scene with that scoop....

  • June 9, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST



    Anyone who sets out to make a "POPCORN MMOVIE" Is a fucking HACK bottom line.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry...

    by Boober

    get the verification we need. I'mm all for the refreshingly negative filth we routinely spew at movies we dislike or even think we will dislike, but do a little investigation so we can at least have semi-accurate info. to love or hate on, MMMKAYYY.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    T-1000 > Silver Surfer

    by darthbinks1220

    F/x wise and considering T2 is over a decade and a half old, the cyborg owns the super beacon.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST



    Spider-Man 3 was far better than Pirates at Worlds End. Worlds end SUCKED!!!!! I liked Spidey 3, even the forgivness action and drama ness. even though I hate snaggle tooth

  • June 9, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    you wadda been great???

    by SylarTheCylon

    if they had cast scully and mulder as sue and reed, it would have be awesome!!!!!!!! or that george cloonie and maybe nicole kidman. And had james cameron do it, or fuck it, quentin tarantino, that would have been nice!! I'll see this movie anyway though!!!!!! on tv in a couple of years, fuck the trannies at fox for doin this to FF

  • June 9, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Boffo box office will be due to two acronyms.

    by darthbinks1220

    T2 & FF1.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    jfp2007, how to do FF?

    by Calico Pete

    Check out Harry's take on it, somewhere on this site circa 2004-2005. Don't remember the details except that his take captured a lot of what the comic was about, and that he said to do it as a period 60s movie. That isn't necessarily the only way to do it, but his article's a good read for the overall gist.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    And Galactus Weeps...

    by Shub-Wankalot

    But hey, it's a popcorn I have no high expectations, especially after the first flick. Let the movie dazzle my eyes with CGI madness, and maybe I'll even forget it's weak comic-book homage. Just for a minute or two.

  • June 9, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    roy stalin

    by Mr_X

    may i ask how the fuck you managed to get screener tickets? as a fellow londoner id be well up for previewing a couple of movies

  • June 9, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Perhaps Fox intentionally sabotages FF-movie quality?

    by darthbinks1220

    Spidey has to be king. X-Men are next on the pecking order. Then Hulk. Perhaps Blade. Leaves Mr. Stretchy and his crew in the world of grade Z productions.-- not budget-wise, but Tim Story ain't James Cameron.

  • June 9, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    and yes you bastards

    by Mr_X

    i did read everything. this site is my crack cocaine

  • June 9, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    jfp2007... FF as period 60s film... animated ver = best

    by Calico Pete

    meh, never mind... I read Harry's take on it again ( and while it sounds like fun, it's far from the only way to do this right. Sigh.<br><br> Actually, a great version of the FF is the second season of the 90s animated show. In fact, it's damn near perfect in capturing the humor, the dynamics, the action, everything. Anyone else see it?

  • June 9, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    oh and...

    by Calico Pete

    That animated version had an awesome take on the Surfer and Galactus. Even Thor and Ghost Rider participated in that battle, and it was awesome I tell thee!

  • June 9, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    I agree with Boober here.. Is this review real or not??? on a side put either of the first two blade movies before ang lees hulk anyday

  • June 9, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    definitely sounds fake..

    by Sith42

    For starters, it doesn't match up with the novelization. <p> Surfer doesn't take out Galactus, he just leads him elsewhere, since Galactus is drawn to Earth by Surfer's board. <p> The novel made it sound amazing, but who's to say how it'll look on film admittedly. The trailers definitely seem to lean towards them capturing it successfully. <p> Ah well. It's not like I listen to angry fanboys when it comes to comic film reviews :D

  • June 9, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    The problem with the popcorn defense

    by waggy

    Here are a few examples of "popcorn movies": Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Goldfinger, E.T., Alien, The Matrix, Jaws, Spider-man, The Good The Bad and The Ugly, Die Hard, Back to the Future, Terminator...... The list goes on. "Popcorn" does not mean "shit" and it does not mean "mindless". It means "entertaining" and "fun". It's also my favorite genre of film and there's no reason it should be held to any lower standard than the rest of the movies playing at the multiplex.

  • June 9, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    TOO BUTTERY ! ! !

    by Pound Sand

    BSB, that's too much butter !

  • June 9, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Surfer Sacrifices himself to kill Galactus?

    by uss cygnus

    *flip* *DING!*

  • June 9, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    So do we actually see Galactus?

    by crackerfarmboy

    Is he in the film? Or is he just referenced?

  • June 9, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST


    by nooneimportant

    It was spoiled earlier in the year that the Surfer just flies into the "storm" that is Galactus and makes him go away. That's it.

  • June 9, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    "How do you have a comic movie without PG-13 violence?"

    by Osmosis Jones

    The Incredibles is the best superhero movie ever made, and it was PG.

  • June 9, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    The Source is No excuse

    by Phategod1

    I don't care how far out the Mythos of the Silver surfer or galactus is if your going to tell the story you treat it with respect and do it right. I've been on transformer soap box too close to a year now I and pisses me off to no end how many people think its pefectly fine and except what ever shit hollywood shovels at you.

  • June 9, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Don't worry about Galactus...

    by Psyklop

    He does appear as his gigantic self. The legendary Carlo Rambaldi was hired to create a 40 foot robot. But it moves so jerky that they only use it for about 6 seconds on screen, so they added some "special contributions" from Rick Baker.

  • June 9, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I never watched FF in theaters.

    by thebearovingian

    Didn't pay to watch the DVD either. C'mon, high five!

  • June 9, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    What's the deal with the shadow

    by Punch Man

    that is clearly in the shape of Galactus'helmet

  • June 9, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    I'll see it, but I won't pay to see it

    by The Only Woj

    I'll buy a ticket for a movie I like and then walk into this. if it's good, I'll go buy a ticket in support. but I don't see that happening. when does FOX lose the rights to this one? Alba is horrible casting. same for Julian. and Fishburne. well, you catch my drift.

  • June 9, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    doesnt fantastic four 2 open

    by huggerorange

    doesnt fantastic four 2 open in the U.K. before it opens here in the U.S.?

  • June 9, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Dang, sounds horrible!

    by superninja

    But how much did he hate the first movie? The plot was horrible but the Johnny and Ben characterization had redeeming qualities. Also, whatever they are doing to the Surfer at the end sounds like they are just asking for a shiv.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    This is ME talking about ANGRY FANBOYS

    by Brians Life

    I agree with the moratorium on "it's just a fun popcorn movie"...that is a fucking tired excuse. NO, it's a piece of shit...NOT a popcorn movie. Where was I? Oh yeah, look, I'm a fanboy. PROUD. Loved Marvel before the last 3 years when they decided Bendis should write EVERY book and that none of their writers needed to pay ANY attention to continuity or established character....Fantastic Four has always been up there for me. The first movie sucked. It wasn't "not that bad" or "good compared to..." sucked. If you think differently, I honestly cannot take your opinion too seriously because you have a very flawed sense of what makes EVEN a BAD MOVIE good. I can only assume the only people still holding out hope for this movie are 14 year olds that want to see that unwashed bag of sticks Alba in tight lycra. And my buddy Steve, who (like ALOT OF YOU) will enjoy ANYTHING fanboy related. Now wonder the US is like 14th in the world in grammar.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    SO... which one is it?

    by huggerorange

    SO... which one is it? wikkipedia says the runtime on FF2 is 2 hours and imdb says the runtime is 1 hour and 30 min. If it is 1hr.and 30min be prepared for a P.O.S.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    So right about Bendis. Marvel is ruined.

    by superninja


  • June 9, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Memflix made his review up

    by RetroActive

    1.) No Plot Points Discussed 2.) Stated things we've read or heard before without elaborating. 3.) Everything he/she referenced was in the trailers 4.) Suckers if you believe it and Harry's on the take 'cause he didn't get a tour of the set. 5.) That is all.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Superninga...THANK YOUUUUU

    by Brians Life

    There are still so many fuckin fans that believe he's the end all that is all of comic writers. I really dug Bendis' work on POWERS and ALIAS, but ever since he became Marvel's golden boy his work has REALLY become one-note. I'm still getting over Spidey revealing his secret identity. WHA!?!

  • June 9, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Fuck Tim Story

    by Gozu


  • June 9, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Tim Story Sucks ASS

    by drdoom_v

    Of course it sucks. He fucked up the first one so he will fuck up the second one even worse. Maybe all the fucking retards will make this hunk of shit break records so they will fuck up another one.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Did you guys know...

    by BillEmic

    ...that the "Power Cosmic" is created by Silver Surfer's nards and Viggo's balls slapping together?

  • June 9, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    imagine if tim story or uwe boll was doing transformers...that makes me feel better that michael bay did it. Eventhough we're not getting the Escalade we are also not getting the chevy cavalier of directors for Transformers.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST


    by JustinSane

    You've angered Clancy, Tim Story. Now you shall pay...

  • June 9, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    i suppose were getting

    by huggerorange

    i suppose were getting something along the lines of a tahoe or suburban.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Things I wonder about life...

    by Brians Life

    Why is Mark Steven Johnson associated with THE PREACHER series?! I mean, Daredevil & Ghost Rider are not only decried through the public and fanbase as being subpar flicks but through Hollywood as's this type of stuff that makes me wanna believe in God. Cause if there's a God, then there's a devil...and Mark Steven Johnson and Tim Story made sweeeeet deals.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    at least Hatchet is finally

    by huggerorange

    at least Hatchet is finally coming out in september!! i need some classic horror, fuck all these sequels.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST

    did hostel 2 suk that bad?

    by huggerorange

    did hostel 2 suk that bad?

  • June 9, 2007, 11:50 p.m. CST

    First Cyclops, then Venom, now SS? Marvel, WTH?!

    by Drath

    Dudes, you are fucking killing off your characters without actually having them do anything they are famous for doing!! How do you remove Cyclops without having him blow apart Mr. Sinister or father Cable or meet his long lost family or have to kill his lover who has become Dark Pheonix?! How do you let Raimi kill Venom when not only did you want him in the movie for fans, but he's crammed into the last 10 minutes and you've got Topher Grace stealing the movie out from under Maguire? But now you're killing the Silver Surfer too? Really? Crap guys, you can't bring everyone back like you did with Elektra (and gee, look how rotten that turned out too). Don't you WANT these movies to turn into 5 or 6 movie franchises each? Is that really so hard for you to even begin to grasp or are you taking credit for letting nimrods make bad movies of your titles because you've discovered John Q Pre-pubescent audience is dumb enough to buy this junk and give you at least a modest profit? Fine, I look forward to the Reboot in 10 years when you figure out how to do justice to these characters.

  • June 9, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    How dare they make a comic book film for kids!!!!

    by JacksParasites

    The audacity!!!!! Granted, I haven't seen the film and it may very well suck, but this fanboy kinda overreacted has gotten older than Dick Clark. Fantastic Four began as a comic book for children. It sucks that you not 8 again so that you can appreciate it on the same level you once did, but what can I tell you? Life sucks that way. Of cause this isn't going to be some dark as fuck epic for adult audiences. Let the Fantastic Four inspire a new generation of youngsters and don't be so whiney. Maybe the reason I rather enjoyed the first FF film for what it was because I was never really into the FF comics as a kid and didn't have the unattainable expectations that needed to be met, but I did grow up on Spiderman, and I loved Spiderman 3, so who knows. Ultimately, it all comes down to story and theme for me. If they simply tell a good story that inspires heroism in 8-year-olds everywhere, I won't give a shit what state of matter Galactus is.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    How hard is it to get this shit right?

    by Vadakin

    I mean for fuck sake why self-important movie makers can't see what everyone else can see is beyond me. <p> Transformers: <p> Robots come to Earth looking for Energon to save/conquer Cybertron...Autobots are good, Decepticons are bad, Spike is the human element to bring the audience into the fantasy, military gets their asses handed to them by the far superior TF's, Starscream betrays Megatron, Optimus and Megatron fight, the day is saved....simple. <p> Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer: <p> Reed discovers a lifeform heading towards the planet. Tracking it's energy signature he discovers that planets have died across the galaxy, wherever the lifeform went...Surfer arrives on Earth, FF try to stop him and fail, Doom offers his help but steals the surfers powers...we have a climactic battle between the Four and Doom, Surfer gets his powers back...a massive ship enters the atmosphere over New York...Galactus has arrived. <p> Fantastic Four: The Coming of Galactus <p> Surfer goes on a personal journey of discovery and sees the beauty that exists in the world with the help of Bens blind girlfriend...Aleesha or something...the Four fight galactus and lose badly, Galactus begins to devour the planet, Surfer intervenes and defies his master, who's not a fucking cloud or a tornado, Reed comes up with a plan to drain Galactus of his power, Galactus is dying....Surfer convinces the Four to help him, Galactus leaves and agrees never to come back while taking Johnnys girl as his new herald, Nova...the Surfer flies off to explore the solar system..........simple. <p> You could even fit galactus into the Surfer movie. I can deal with organic webbing - it makes sense. I can deal with Superman having a son - it's a natural evolution of the character, I can even deal with Optimus having flames.... <p> But for fuck sake, who hires these hacks to write and direct these movies? 10 year old kids, who these studios aim their movies at, have a better idea of how to tell a good story than these so called professionals. <p> X-Men 3...pointless - the cure doesn't work, what a waste of a movie. Electra...shit, Catwoman...rectal excretions, Transformers..all style, no substance. <p> I'm well aware that fans can't agree on anything...but we're getting into Superman IV territory here...and these guys don't have the excuse of the entire budget being used on other films instead. <p> You have the likes of Bay atacking internet forums for being bitchy...well when you treat something that's well loved like shit, you can expect to be fucking told about it. The same applies to Tim "I can't tell a" Story and Brett the Shitman Ratner. Stop looking at your pay cheques and go pick up a fucking comic book...hell just go to Wikipedia asswipes, just stop thinking you know how to tell a story better than the whole fucking world AAAAARRHRHHHHHHGGGGGHH <p> Sorry...Hulked out there for a sec :P

  • June 10, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    can't we all just get along?

    by Sgt Rock

    I remember thinking nothing of FF1 when I went to see it and was pleasantly surprised. Thought it had a playful humor that countered so many of the other 'comic book' movies.. It was a nice change of pace. FF2 looks like more of the same, from what I can gather from the trailers... I say regardless of the 'plants'pro or con, if your a fan or not, let's wait and see for ourselves.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST

    I'm just glad, REALLY GLAD...

    by cornponious

    ... that Jack "King" Kirby died before these FF movies were made. They're an insult.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Brian, I stopped reading comics a while back, and

    by superninja

    Being Brian Michael Bendis over at Marvel certainly had a large contribution to that. I guess if you're are BMB stalker then it is cute that he writes every character in his own voice.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Take THIS, Story!!!

    by cornponious

  • June 10, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    They certainly are an insult to Kirby's imagination.

    by superninja


  • June 10, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST


    by Brians Life

    The reason you enjoyed the first Fantastic Four and the reason you enjoyed Spider-Man enjoy bad movies. It's cool. A lot of folk do.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I liked just about everything in FF1 except the

    by superninja

    plot and Doom. Doom is just so horrendous, they deserved to have the sequel stripped from them. I think the Four are cast fine, it's just that Ioan and Jessica were not given anything to do. Chris's Johnny is awesome, same with Mike's Ben.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    All this time thought the Fantastic 4 were The Beatles

    by Bronx Cheer

    Imagine my dismay...I thought this was a sequel to "Help!"

  • June 10, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST


    by darrenspool

    Tim Story is black. I just found this out on Shit, I'll never watch his voodoo films again.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Super Skrull

    by Vadakin

    You know if they had done Galactus properly, it would have opened up a whole new dimension to the world that the movie characters inhabit...Super Skrull could have been a cool villain for the third film... <p> But nooooooo...some idiot had the stupid idea of turning Johnny into Super Skrull and Galactus into a tornado...what's next? Will there be a Skrull movie where the Skrull are actually a French family, lead by Joseph Skrull, intent on destroying the planet through tax law?

  • June 10, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    The scope for the FF should always have been

    by superninja

    much larger and less "realistic" (aka an excuse to be mundane). They are imaginauts, the FF is about family and exploration.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    on superheroes and darkness

    by waggy

    Ya know, I too am sick of how people equate "dark" with "good" when it comes to superheroes. Like on Entourage when they're trying to coax Vince into doing Aquaman and they go "Oh don't worry, it'll be dark". Drives me nuts. Thanks Frank Miller. But that doesn't mean we hate everything "light". Spider-man 1 and 2 were not dark (particularly 2) and most of us fans love those films. Ditto for the Incredibles. And then there's a little movie called Superman that most of us think is pretty good. Sure, by and large adults tend to gravitate toward darker comic-adaptations (Batman, X-Men, etc), but that doesn't mean that a superhero movie can't be lighthearted and still hit the mark. When it has shit writing, direction, casting, and a complete disregard for its source material is when we get a little pissed.....

  • June 10, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Jackson Publick (Venture Bros) on an FF movie...

    by Brians Life

    I was reading this interview with Venture Brothers creator Jackson Publick and he said he'd upapologetically set the movie in 1962 and the look would be more along the lines of DOWN WITH LOVE than X-Men or Spider-Man...interesting ideas. Makes you wonder what MIGHT have been. On the same note at's true than when people here us complain about a movie like FANTASTIC FOUR they think we want it to be more "dark"...fuck...GHOST RIDER had the devil in it and IT still sucked. Dark is NOT what we want....JUST GOOD.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four and Green Lantern

    by Vadakin

    I can understand Marvel and DC movies being realistic to a certain extent...but Green Lantern really lends itself to Star Wars style sci-fi fantasy and so does Fantastic Four. <p> I don't want to see Batman fighting wizards...but Green Lantern fighting Manhunters is fine, it's the nature of the mythology. <p> I don't want to see Spider-Man fighting on other planets...but Fantastic Four is...well it's the one Marvel mainstream property where realism isn't necessary in terms of the scale of the story or the people in it. You can have the Skrull, or a giant who eats doesn't have to be realistic all the time. <p> Having Galactus in the film is no different than having Godzilla in New York...sure the movie sucked but the lizard looked cool...and it worked well. Just because something is big, doesn't mean its not doable in a movie.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST

    When did Fanboys become...

    by davywankenobi

    ...whiney little bitches who are only satisfied with perfection? If any of you had ever gotten laid, you'd understand that movies come in a far second. You're all gonna save your 9 bucks? Good! After you shitcan enough enjoyable, watchable movies because you didn't get a Batman Begins or an X-Men 2, you might have enough to get laid. I think you're priorities will fall right in line after that. PS. Can it be any worse than the shitfest called Blade 2 or the ho-hum Hellboy directed by the guy this site seems to think is a god? I don't think so. Quite whining, go in to have fun! That is all.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Jessica Alba is hung upside in this film!

    by Alfred_Packer

    ..but I looked over and Elizabeth Barthory was laughing so I guess it's OK...

  • June 10, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST


    by Brians Life

    I go into ALL movies "to have fun"...I went into FANTASTIC FOUR "to have fun" and I fuuuckin' didn't. I had ALOT more fun with Hellboy than with Fantastic Four...the movie was made for 14 year olds. Not 8 year olds or 10 year olds..or 21 year olds..14 year olds..ON EVERY LEVEL. It was neither enjoyable OR watchable. Nothing is perfect, but I at least expect an attempt to be made at characterization, story driven action, and respect to source material. That's all. And dude...moratorium on the "you dudes never get laid" caveman bullshit. Jesus Christ, get original. It's called Passion, and I've only seen you're TalkBack name and I'm willin got bet I get laid more than you do. Name the stakes?

  • June 10, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Realism is just an excuse for not having to be creative

    by superninja

    and to save money. Just say you have no original ideas and want to save money because you spent it all on your lame cast and maybe you'll get some respect for being honest? The other thing that is laughable is that these geniuses all think they are too sophisticated for comic book characters, the characters beloved for longer than their careers will ever be and greater than any original idea they will likely ever create.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Kirby's Fantastic Four will outlive Tim Story's

    by superninja

    contribution to the property.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Davy, stop making excuses for Hollywood.

    by superninja

    95% of their product is utter garbage. This doesn't fly in other areas of your life, I'm sure.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Brian's Life

    by davywankenobi

    Gentlemen don't kiss and tell, and for that matter, I'm not going to get into a bitch fest over "entertainment." The FF movie wasn't that bad. You want a perfect FF movie? Tell Pixar to change the title of the Incredibles, which was a great homage to the concept, if not a total rip off. While there are redeeming things about Hellboy(cast is great) it's not as fun as the original FF. They both had lame endings, and underdeveloped villians, but at the end of the day, it's fucking movie! Yeah, I enjoy them, and even enjoy talking about them, but get tired of listening to the fucking whining fanboys who "had their childhood raped" by a director or a bad movie.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Only good part of Hellboy is Ron Perlman.

    by superninja


  • June 10, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Mad Max: Beyond the Thunderdome is more

    by superninja

    entertaining than Hellboy.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Superninja and others...

    by davywankenobi

    Well if Americans spent as much time involved in how their government is run as they do bitching about notions of entitlement, maybe 95% of life in America wouldn't be garbage, or have a culture obsessed with "getting theirs" whether they define that as getting rich, having a perfect movie, or having the last word. Guys, your passion is awesome, but couldn't we direct it at fixing the real world instead of the fake one? I'm out for tonight, we can talk about it more tomorrow.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Davy....well said.

    by Brians Life

    Good point and no worries as I'm as tired of hearing the "they raped my childhood" as I am "you guys never get laid". I'm curious as to if you DO read comics? I'm a life long comic fan and (WHILE we lead our normal lives, work and go to the gym and own REAL cell phones & keys...crazy as it sounds) some of us STILL enjoy comic books. I've been wanting to see a decent adaptation of the Fantastic Four for about 14 years...hmm...for some reason I feel like THAT'S nuff said.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Yeah, well, they're certainly entertwined.

    by superninja


  • June 10, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    What fantastic utopia do you live in, btw?

    by superninja

    Just curious...

  • June 10, 2007, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Bastard went out on the moral high ground...

    by Brians Life

    Though he raises some good points. Sometimes I feel as though the coldness of political America is what makes me thrive on the more creative. Thoughts?

  • June 10, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    I wish I brought my guitar and a Coke...

    by Brians Life

    If I could buy the world a house, I'd furnish it with love...

  • June 10, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Fixing the real world...

    by Vadakin

    Just have Galactus eat it...but wait he can't because he's a FUCKING CLOUD!!!!! <p> :P

  • June 10, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    has anyone else seen this movie?

    by Sgt Rock

    let's get a general concensus based on a few more reviews rather than hang on the words of maxfli and mcplant. I am sure there is a decent movie filtered out between the two of them. And Davy I agree, let's bring the en back to joy with these movies...

  • June 10, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I'd LIKE TO buy the world a house....FUCK!

    by Brians Life

    ah well

  • June 10, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Creative towards what purpose?

    by superninja

    I think a desire for entertainment merely to alleive boredom and fill life with empty pleasure is futile. It is important for things to have meaning, it's important what ideas are communicated and how they impact the culture. Our culture is largely empty, though, and it's every man for himself.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Joy = good moovies.

    by superninja

    Bad moovies = taking the piss out of them.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    MEMFLIX a liar? NOOOOOOO!!!!

    by LordEnigma

    Wow. I didnt see that one coming from like 150 miles away. Unless there is some freakin RADIO PROMO SCREENING this Monday. The prints for this flick -- depending on the theatres that are not digital -- would not show up til TUESDAY at the earliest. Also...Malco may be dicks, but this guy would be caught in a minute. So, he's a fraud, and Harry has been fooled again...this time. I do believe he has seen the other flicks he has reviewed. This one, however, he decided to be a dick. Good thing he got caught. The dirty fucker.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    MMM ...Latin girls...mmmmmmmm

    by ludmir88

    but not all of the latin girls out there have brown skin or whatever, you are just closeminded,sorry.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Tim Story & Mark Steven Johnson...What the fuck Marvel?

    by WinterGhost

    Why does Marvel keep hiring these guys? A bad director is a bad director. FF could have been an incredable sci-fi action pic, I mean you have Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom, two of the most intellegent men in the Marvel universe. I guess for every Spidey 1 & 2, or Batman Begins, or X-2, there's got to be an Electra, or FF to even it out. Oh well, next summer looks much more promising.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Bring Mistery Men 2 NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by ludmir88

    a 2008 release please.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST


    by Vadakin

    ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? <p> ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???? <p> My name is Galactus Cloudicus Toradus...commander of the cloud infantry in Tornado valley. Tornado to a murdered cloud, twister to a murdered sandstorm...and I will have my cloudy day. <p> Yes I want to be entertained, I want to enjoy this film, and transformers...but when I know...when I sit in the theatre and the lights go down and I see Johnny turn into Super Skrull, Starscream have a single line, Galactus as a cloud, Shia killing Megatron (spoiler...too late :P)...goddamn it how am I supposed to enjoy that? How am I supposed to be entertained when I KNOW what it could have been? How can I be satisfied by my movie experience when I KNOW that there was potential there for so much more? <p> nd the worst thing is...its so simple to get it right...I mean its harder to get the Galactus story wrong than to get it right, yet they still manage to do it.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST


    by ludmir88

    How? ...oh with one of his stand up comedy jokes?

  • June 10, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST


    by Vadakin

    cant remember...something to do with the energon cube thingy I think, been a while since I read the script. <p> But my point is, I dont expect perfection...the original Star wars is my favourite movie ever...and I see the flaws, it's by no means a perfect film but it's entertaining, fun, exhilerating at times, heartfelt at's just a great movie. Now Star Wars is a bad example since it was an "original" creation (quoted because of Lucas' many so-called inspirations, specifically Hidden Fortress, but thats for another thread) , so let's look at Superman... <p> Now it sufffered from the Salkinds vision which differed from Puzo's and later Donners vision, but besides the camp comedy, it was a great film that made some changes to suit the film medium but stayed true to the basic principles of the origin and even fleshed out a character in Zod, who was a nobody in the comics. Superman was and still is the benchmark for all these types of movies and Fantastic Four falls far short of that.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST




  • June 10, 2007, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Its all about context.

    by GilesT

    This review is put into context by the fact that the reviewer believes that the Fantastic Four "is arguably the most adored of all comic book properties". <br> <br>Fantastic Four? Really?! Hmm.

  • June 10, 2007, 2 a.m. CST

    This sucks. I never read the

    by indy1010

    This sucks. I never read the FF comics but I can understand where the fans are coming from. I mean if it worked as a comic... uh why not keep the damn formula and story the same! I know it cant be word for word the same, then it would be kinda boring but shit I'm tierd of movies really fucking up great stories. Make reasonable and good changes. Don't do crap like have Venom for 30 minutes and then kill him! Or kill the Silver Surfer or Doom.... Wait you know what, kill them so we don't have to see another one :).

  • June 10, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST


    by Felstorm

    What did y'all expect! I watched the first movie for about about 30 mins and removed the dvd...utter utter crap.

  • June 10, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Fantastic fuck

    by huggerorange

    I agree with darkness doesnt mean success in a movie.. i can think of endless examples too. But fantastic four, for my tastes...needs a lil darkness to it. Especially when it concerns dr. dooms character, he needs to be an evil villain and not a pansy ass dr. scrooge. GhostRider(or maybe a tie with elektra) is by far the worst comic book movie of all of the bunch since this whole comics to film trend began in 98 with blade. I also think Blade 1+2 and Spiderman 1+2 have been among the best.

  • June 10, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST


    by Doc_Strange

    Didn't see it posted. Someone had to say it.

  • June 10, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST

    So, what are you saying? It's not as good as HOSTEL 2?

    by lost.rules


  • June 10, 2007, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Reed Richards has chosen HD-DVD......... Here's why....

    by Doc_Strange

    Cuz he knows it's fucked up like this damn franchise.

  • June 10, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Eli Roth has chosen Betamax and here's why

    by RokurGepta

    because Hostel II effing sucks

  • June 10, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Never read the comics, and still hated the first movie.

    by lost.rules

    I expect the same reaction this time. My girlfriend liked it. She also loves Bad Boys 2. I get the feeling we're going to have opposite views about Transformers as well.

  • June 10, 2007, 3:55 a.m. CST

    FF was already ruined

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    by the first movie.

  • June 10, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Roy Stalin...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... your screening in London was not "the first screening anywhere." They have been screening for a few weeks now. There were at least three screenings here in LA in the last week. Memflix has been a regular reviewer here for a while now, and he saw the film. If he disagreed with your opinion of it, fine, but he's not a liar, and you don't have to be a douche just because he didn't like your precious FANTASTIC FOUR movie.

  • June 10, 2007, 5:19 a.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    Planty McPlanty Plants.

  • June 10, 2007, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Fidel Castor has chosen HD-DVD...

    by Gigantor Assholeuos Jr.

    ...mainly because he's an asshole.

  • June 10, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Pretty much spot on....

    by Blueberry

    While I agree that the movie suffers of all the problems listed by Memflix in his review (he saw the movie judging by what he wrote), the movie is still quite fun. Sure, it's a kiddie flick with a laughable villain, but it's certainly better than the first one, more focused and straightforward. The action is more spectacular, the scope is bigger, it's a small step towards a real Fantastic Four movie. Oh, and the London screening wasn't the first. I saw the movie on Thursday in Rome.

  • June 10, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    3 Worst comic book movies ever....

    by Jakes Nel

    3) Steel. 2) Ghost Rider. 1) Catwoman. Am I right?

  • June 10, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    this is subject to apinion

    by cryingangel

    i don't think the film was eva suppost to be batman begins, dno why ppl just can't enjoy the film for what it is, if its something that keeps u watching then whats the halm? fair anough if after ONE persons review u don't want to see it, but it would be good to have ur own apinion of the film huh but if thats how u feel im sure there are millions of others that will, i remember when spiderman 3 started getting the first reviews and some bad critism ppl were like nah what a load of crap what does he know blah bah! so to other might not actally appeal to critics or reviewers might actally appeal to other ppl, hmm... interesting huh!

  • June 10, 2007, 8:03 a.m. CST


    by Mace Tofu

    That is one hour and twenty-nine minutes with credits so I guess you will have to wait for the DVD for the 2 hour version of FF:ROTSS because they want to get as many shows in before the next blockbuster comes out. (Your not going to miss 30 minutes of story are you? I'm sure they smoothed out any rough parts...right?) Hey, ya gotta think about the money not the art because that is what is important to the studios.

  • June 10, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    No Hope for Comic Films

    by Mediaties

    Without vision, there is no hope for future comic book-based films and the so-called franchise. Spiderman 2 and X-Men 2 might have been the last we'll see we'll see directors and screenwriters treat their properties with respect. As long as audiences will feed on crap, the studios will give them what they want.

  • June 10, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Roy Stalin is a plant

    by wash

    Nice try.

  • June 10, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST


    by blackwood

    Your review is not one I trust as an accurate gauge of my potential enjoyment. For one reason:<br><br> "Let’s forget that the story about a family of superheroes is arguably the most adored of all comic book properties."<br><br> You are arguably alone. I never followed FF books, but I've read a bunch - and they are fairly cornball. Like the first movie. I'm not saying there ain't cool there to be mined, but my experience of FF holds no illusions about it being some sort of Untouchable Comic Book Classic. The problem with comic book films is this subset of zealots (a la Transmormons) whose enjoyment of a franchise is largely based in a fantasy land appreciation of the source material.<br><br>Good review, though.

  • June 10, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Err...Mad Max 3 was NOT entertaining

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    not at all. It was just a pile of craptastic suckage.

  • June 10, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    for any reviewer to be believable

    by SlickyVonBoner

    I think they need to write exactly where and when they saw the screening to at least back up their review. This guy tells us nothing new about the film and seems like just a whiny fanboy.

  • June 10, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Kinda proud of you Harry

    by beefywhore

    you managed to not be negative till you got confirmed info about it and not just rumors....still too bad about the raping of this beloved character...

  • June 10, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    i'll still see it

    by portscrew

    I'll see it for the Surfer, my favorite comic book character of all time --it's impressive they were able to pull offff a believable surfer -- he's not just a guy in a suit, i give them kudos for that

  • June 10, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Motoko. Mad Max Thunderdome does indeed

    by superninja

    suck. However, it's so awful it's entertaining. Hellboy is just kind of boring. Have you tried rewatching it? Snoozefest.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Sorry, GhostRider is just not that terrible. It's

    by superninja

    actually very entertaining in a few places. I agree Catwoman is the worst. It was on t.v. the other day and someone should've lost their life over that.

  • June 10, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    In fact, I think Ghost Rider is better than Daredevil.

    by superninja

    Daredevil isn't even fun, the whole thing is stupid and they completely got the characters wrong (except Eletkra). DD looks like a gimp. <p> Elektra is horrible just because the plot is so much nonsense. The acting isn't bad, the whole effort is just banal. You're also forgetting the Schumacher Batman movies.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    They should just make period films.

    by superninja

    The characters were created based on the times in which they lived, they are strongest there. X-Men would've been much cooler set in the late 60s. Could've used funkier costumes, too.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    British Board of Film Classification lists it as 92 min

    by PacmanFever

    So unless it's half an hour longer elsewhere it isn't two hours.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Half an hour longer outside the UK I mean

    by PacmanFever

    And I doubt it

  • June 10, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    period films.

    by The Dum Guy

    Like a Victorian era Hulk?

  • June 10, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Har har. No, like a Hulk set during the beginning

    by superninja

    of the atomic age or the Cold War.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Make that DURING the Cold War. Or how about

    by superninja

    a Spider-Man movie timed so that the Death of Gwen Stacy occurs in the turmoil of late 60s when America loses its innocence? Making way for the mid 70s Black Cat, sluttiness and coke parties all the way. Hah hah.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    I was kinda serious..

    by The Dum Guy

    Like the issues of What If?, or the DC version (can't remember name).

  • June 10, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    A steampunk Hulk. I believe they already did

    by superninja

    that when it was called Jekyl and Hyde? But seriously, I really don't see the need to break from the period in which the characters were created, I don't want to see, for instance, the Mayan Fantastic Four.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    imagine the future...

    by The Dum Guy

    When all the properties have been milked to death, and then movie makers can just use the characters, and not have to worry about the universe. Of course doing something like that could end up being Freddy vs. Jason.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Mayan Fantastic Four

    by The Dum Guy

    ...directed by Mel Gibson, starring actual natives.

  • June 10, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't really mind if they could bother to get

    by superninja

    the original correct. They're the equivalent of modern myths.

  • June 10, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I would like to see FF4 in the world of Ordinary People

    by Bronx Cheer

    Tim Hutton is The Human Torch, Mary Tyler etc is Sue, Sutherland is Mr. Fantastic, and Judd Hirsch is The Thing.</p> <p>Tell me that wouldn't be great!

  • June 10, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I actually think Elektra wasn't that bad.

    by Jakes Nel

    Am I insane? Probably, but it kind of reminds me of those shitty straight-to-video early 90's action movies. And I like shitty movies. Ace Ventura 2 Rocked!

  • June 10, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    FF4: rise of the silver surfer will be bland but.....

    by knifeandfork

    ..... it will be BIG at the box office. Come on, its got super heroes ,special effects and a PG rating, it will clean up !: all thanks to the power of chest bumpin fat kids and their parents wallets. YOU KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE !

  • June 10, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by knifeandfork

    What i meant to type was F4, not FF4. *slowly walks toward the fire exit*

  • June 10, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    What was the point of Elektra?

    by superninja

    If you're going to bring a dead character back to life, you could at least step it up a bit.

  • June 10, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Yeah, and it worked really well. That is exactly

    by superninja

    what I mean, and from a CGI standpoint, not difficult. Even Spider-Man has this look to a degree.

  • June 10, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by Jakes Nel

    There's a lot of potential there. Imagine stuff like James Robinson's The Golden Age or some of Alan Moore's ABC titles.

  • June 10, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Or Superman's Metropolis?

    by superninja

    Or Batman's Gotham? Less fake realism, more imagination, please.

  • June 10, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry...


    but when I read review of a Fantastic Four movie and some of the posts here, and see complaints about the PG-rating, 1:30 running-time, along with stuff like, "played for laughs without any degree of intensity" "scope of vision" etc...I can't help but wonder what some of you people were expecting. A complex, 3-hour, R-rated "epic"? All that's expected here is a cool looking Silver-Surfer to distract your son/brother/nephew for an hour and a half before he has to pee. And be cool/funny enough so that you're not bored out of your scull like with most kids movies/shows (or maybe even a matinee with your girl after hitting California-Pizza-Kitchen and there's nothing else to do.) The movie is "suited to 5-10 year olds" because the comic was suited to 5-10 year seriously, it was. Again, I'm sorry.

  • June 10, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by Chishu_Ryu

    If you've never followed the FF comics, then I don't think you're qualified to label them as "cornball", and thus let the FF movie filmmakers off the hook. Put it this way, if it can be argued that Stan Lee and Jack Kirby are two comics legends, then what was their best work? It was Fantastic Four, maybe in a tie with Spiderman for Lee's best writing. Marvel revolutionized super-hero comics by injecting their adventures with real life issues. If Spider-Man was super-hero meets teen angst, Fantastic Four was super-hero meets family drama. Reed Richards agonized in guilt over Ben's transformation to Thing, Sue worried over the safety of their child Franklin, Ben was insecure in his relationship with Alicia, Johnny was often conflicted between his own selfish teen desires and responsibility to the family. Though there was always humore, the drama level was always high. The FF, along with Spiderman and maybe Silver Surfer, was arguably Stan Lee's best work, and if you want to call a comics legend's finest work "cornball", then you probably need to work on your comics I.Q., maybe go consult some old wise comic shop owner or something...

  • June 10, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Shit. Did you guys hear? Stan Lee just died...

    by Jakes Nel

    ... and went to heaven when he heard he's gonna make even more millions on this shit. What? Bad joke?

  • June 10, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer/Ordinary People...


    that's probably not too far off from what some might hope for in a FF film. Now, that might actually be pretty good, but it seems like some fans elevate certain comics in there minds to something they are not. I could be totally wrong here, but it seemed like Stan Lee really liked what they did in last movie judging by his comments on the DVD. He said everything was "perfect"

  • June 10, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Jakes Nel, that is in very poor taste.

    by Bronx Cheer

    And you post it in two different TBs? Very weak.

  • June 10, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by Jakes Nel

    Just wanted to aim for a wider audience...

  • June 10, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    WONKABAR, at least it'd be interesting...

    by Bronx Cheer

    even if I meant it in jest. the thing about the FF4, in my humble opinion, is that it's not really intended for a mature audience. By mature I mean adult. It seems the material is more for kids, families, kids of all ages...</p> <p>This isn't a knock, just an acknowledgment that FF4 is about family and intended for families. There's no reason for it not to be entertaining, though.</p>

  • June 10, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    The FF film I want is

    by mr dark

    a matchup of the ff and the Hulk with a cameo from the Silver surfer,The watcher , and friggin Spiderman...oh yeah and while your at it throw in the Yancy street gang ...Hell yes...

  • June 10, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Alba called FF2 "The best FAMILY COMEDY of the summer"!

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Holy shit!<br><br> In an interview at MTV Movie Awards, Jessica Alba said that. If that doesn't tell you right there that this is completely NOT the film we all want it to be, I don't know what does. I mean PG's bad enough, but to actually label it a "family comedy"?!?!! And have you seen some of the lame-ass humor in these commercials?!? This is gonna be baaaaaaad.

  • June 10, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    No, I totally agree Bronx


    OP style might actually have been a pretty good/interesting route to take. I think we're pretty much on the same page here, but the area where I think people disagree about FF is what constitutes "entertaining" Especially in regards to the first film which some found to be fluffy but entertaining ie. any extra drama /character development would have seemed over the top considering the source material... while others thought it was too fluffy to be entertaining, ie it needed more drama and character-development. I know what you mean though, there is a line between child-like and childish, I just think people have differing opinions as to exactly where that line is.

  • June 10, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    WONKABAR - how about some imagination?

    by superninja

    I liked the first film okay. I have no problem with the FF being a comedy and family friendly. What I have a problem with is boring and faux "realism".

  • June 10, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    FF4 was fairly okay. The casting was terrible.

    by Bronx Cheer

    That is what doomed it for me.

  • June 10, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    What wrong with a Latina ?

    by Phategod1

    that sounded fruediantly racist, My problem with Alba's storm is the fact that Aryanized her with the ridiculous blond hair. Now what I'm about to say may offend some of you but I don't care seeing as how this is aimed and about 40% of the ass hats who think there so smart or open mided. Making a "Summer Popcorn movie" means your your a Fucking hack director, and enjoying a "Summer Popcorn movie" makes you Fucking Simple minded peon.

  • June 10, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Maybe it just reminded me of a dumb 80's movie


    it really did kinda have that vibe, which I don't know, I kinda liked. I dug that it had no weight whatsoever. Even the cheezy jokes like Rex: how do you feel? Ben:"solid" "Johnny's always been a hothead" etc. had old-school-silly comfort feel to me. I know many cringed at that shit but I thought it was, for lack of a better word...cute. In some ways I thought it brought it closer to the comic. Like, I'm playing "Marvel-Ultimate-Alliance" right now, and that kind of crap is all over the place. In the old comics too. Seriously, alot of the Marvel-Universe is kinda...out there. Stuff like Batman lends itself to the kind of treatment Nolan gave it. Batman was a dark-vigilante type. But FF? As far as "faux realism" I think they were just trying balance the film to keep it from going full-on Starsky & Hutch/Brady Bunch Movie-style comedy/camp. Granted, it didn't balance the kiddie-comic/epic hero bit nearly as well as say "Superman: The Movie"...fuck, not even close. But it did manage maybe, as that dude from CHUD said, an almost Ghostbusterian-feel. Maybe more like a lesser 80's imitator, but like I said, I'm a sucker for that shit. JMO

  • June 10, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST



    I meant to say "Reed" not "Rex"...funny how that shit happens sometimes

  • June 10, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST



    Post of the year! They should get you sit in on Ebert & Roeper..."it was fucking retarded and gay" lol

  • June 10, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    FF4 #1 is out as a SE DVD with 20 xtra minutes...

    by Mace Tofu

    Did it help? Has anyone seen it.

  • June 10, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    too many F's lol

    by Mace Tofu

    WB, Dumb 80's movies...OK I'll give you this looks as good as the old HE MAN.

  • June 10, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    re: FF SE DVD

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I've seen it, okay, I bought it (mostly cuz it comes with a free FF2 ticket) and I have to say it's an improvement over the theatrical release. The added stuff is mostly character development which actually makes the film a lot better. But I suppose it could only get better. I didn't care for this one awkward added scene where Reed humorously mutates his face to look like Wolverine, but the rest is definitely a welcome addition. So to answer your question, Tofu, yes, it helped.

  • June 10, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    PG is the new G

    by stvnhthr

    I think these films are made for the 10 and under crowd. I watched the first one with my kids and liked the human torch parts and nothing else. My 5 year old really liked the film and he watched it 6 or 7 times before moving onto something else. It is disappointing when you compare the comics to the films, but it also is kind of neat that we are getting comic book films for all age groups. There is a lot of diversity in what audiences the studios are going after. I can't believe they are totally ignoring the teen and up crowd with the Fantastic Four franchise, but it has made my young children intrested in the comics, toys, and video games.

  • June 10, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    the wolverine scene...

    by Bouncy X

    yeah that was awkard, the effects seemed unfinished....but it looked better in the theatrical version where his chin just gets more square as he says manly... this seemed like a last min. idea they did for this dvd or

  • June 10, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by Napolean Solo

    Just checked out your site...<br> I like it.<br> One thing though... "Upcomming Movies"...<br> Let's hope that typo wasn't intentional.

  • June 10, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Why not have Roy prove it? Memflix has posted on AICN reliably many, many times, and this Stalin putz has *just* shown up to call him a liar. And given he was dead wrong about the London screening being the first, why is *his* credibility so pristine to you?

  • June 10, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Random name-play...

    by zb.brox

    Roy Stalin-- Royst alin-- STORY alin. No idea what "alin" could be, except the very vague possible reference to Nia Long (nia l.), who Story apparently went to school with. But, still, kind weird this bozo comes out of nowhere to insult a frequent contributor to the site and push a shitty-looking sequel to a shitty movie, and the first five letters of his bizarre username happen to be the same five letters as the last name of the director of said shitty-looking sequel. Or maybe it's just a coincidence, reading into these things too much is unhealthy.

  • June 10, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Random name play zb brox

    by mr dark

    Is it story in l.a. yes I think I got it...

  • June 10, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Ahhh, in la

    by zb.brox

    Much better. Wow, that kind of implies it's the guy himself if you're right, though. Which would be pretty f'in sad.

  • June 10, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Maybe oy & Mem could box it out...


    along with Uwe Boll and Danny Bonaduce?

  • June 10, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Wonkabar, I liked all of that stuff as well.

    by superninja

    The FF should not be serious and dark, just my opinion. There are enough of those kinds characters, it's tired already. You can still have dramatic moments in a fun and family-friendly movie. <p> My main problem with the first film is the ridiculous Doom-centricity of the whole thing. He has to be Sue's boyfriend, he has to be in the origin and get powers, he has to be involved in Reed building his machine replicating the storm, he has to have some personal motivation like losing his company (what is wrong with thinking you're better than everyone else and wanting to rule the world?). Give me a break. <p> They didn't need to show the origin, it could've been discussed or shown in flashbacks. There is nothing spectacular about it. Get to the superheroing already. They even could have run it as a news story. Have the Moleman invade NYC at the behest of Doom who is testing their abilities. It should've been set in the 60s anyway, when space travel was just beginning, would've been much cooler.

  • June 10, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Random name play zb brox

    by mr dark

    Yes I think we have solved it.. I posted on other talkback and gave you the props..I hope your not right though..That indeed would be tragic...Good work Sir and Good Day..

  • June 10, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    No Surprise Here

    by nose bleed

    Its exactly what I thought it would be. All of you talk shit about Bay...but man, Tim Story directed Taxi...C'MON!

  • June 11, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Don't go see it!

    by Kid Z

    Just don't go... sure the surfer might look cool (gotta disagree, myself... he looks like a fuckin' Sunny Delite juice box commercial and Tim Sorry couldn't even get the lip-synching right) but don't go... it'll just piss you off and you know it. DO... NOT...go see this! Maybe it'll have disappointing opening numbers and Tim Sorry can then go on and rise to the level of his tallents like water seeking it's own level: years of frustrating failure until he's spit out the bottom of the porn industry.

  • June 11, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Just to make ya even happier...

    by Kid Z typical Hollywood "failure must always be rewarded" fashion, Tim Sorry is rumored to be getting the chance to ... uh... "helm" (if you can call his typical directing-like attempts as "helming") the Vertigo-version of the DC WWII classic The Losers. Looks like asses will be sucked in summer 2009!

  • June 11, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    More fanboy bullshit

    by Blok Narpin

    Story did us FF fans proud with the first film. It was excellent. If this one is a fraction as good, I'll be happy.

  • June 11, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    They should have cast...

    by mbeemer

    ...Rebecca Romjin as Sue. She's blonde, she's a babe, and she can act. Sure, she played Mystique, but with all the makeup that required there shouldn't have been a problem with her playing Sue as well.

  • June 11, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST


    by TheUltraHumanite

    /join #DeathToAICN lets actually talk about cool news, you get bounced from this chat only for talkiing about how much booze you drank and how cool you are, NOBODY GIVES A FUCK, we came to talk movies, more specifically, to shit on movies that suck ass, so we can remember why things KICK ass

  • June 11, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Blok Narpin

    by just pillow talk

    If you are a FF fan, then I call more FF fan bullshit. Fine, you enjoyed it. But excellent? Riiiight...

  • June 11, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Top 5 uncool things in comics movies:

    by Kid Z

    5: Daredevil's gay bondage costume 4: Batman sliding down the back of a fake-looking (like, Creation Museum-level of design and accuracy) model brontosaurus 3: Hulk's dad, Nick Nolte, turning into a giant, glowing soap bubble. 2: Spider-Man and Sandman having a nice cry like two drunk fat chicks watching a yet another rerun of Titanic on TBS. 1: Every effing miserable, mind-numbing, soul-sucking, excruciating SECOND of Fantastic Four (and, presumably, FF2: Rise of the Silver Surfer)

  • June 11, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Let's send packages...

    by Kid Z

    ...of fake vomit en masse to Tom Rothman's office until he agrees to fix it so that Tim Sorry never works in the industry again! Hey, the peanut thing worked for Jericho... and that show sucks ass!

  • June 11, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Hey Kid Z good Idea!!

    by mr dark

    I'd like to send Rothman something with peanuts in it also..My excrement...In fact I'd like to mold it in to statues of the Thing and send it to Fox as a statement but not worth the effort...nuff said !!

  • June 11, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Do you guys know why they

    by tormys

    Do you guys know why they make movies? Not to please you who have sat and read comics, but to make money. That's the purpose of the movie. So you guys calm down and get over it.

  • June 11, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST


    by lady arclight

    Check out his website. He got 'suspended' from his job for his review.

  • June 11, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST


    by tormys

    That's his own fault. He doesn't see that it's not the fact that he watched a movie and didn't like it. The fact is he put out his opionion on a movie that is not out yet and could cause loss of business for both his used to be job and the studio. Grow up dumbass and you wouldn't have gotten canned.

  • June 11, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Sorry to hear Memflix

    by mr dark

    Went to your site and Lady arclight does not lie...evil corporate bastards...Like I said on the other post.. I'm starting to believe Roy Stalin is Story in L.A.

  • June 11, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Is anyone suprised???

    by grendel69

    Really? The first one blew chunks, did anyone expect this one,by our pal Rothman, to be any good? No more Fox Marvel films for me. No thanks. Bring on Watchmen and Iron man

  • June 13, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Mr Dark - I think you are right

    by SkeletonParty

    Roy Stalin reads so fake. And the anogram thing works for me.

  • June 13, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Moriartys article has disappeared

    by mr dark

    That is sad...

  • June 14, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Memflix's "suspension" has made national news

    by TheTagger reporting.

  • June 14, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I think

    by DarthCorns

    That fox needs to stop being such bitches with this. oh, its not like they havent released absolute shit before. why was it so necessary to go this far over a bad review?

  • June 14, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    From IMDB: Theater Boots Projectionist Who Wrote Early

    by GC_Mandrake

    "A Memphis theater projectionist has been suspended for writing an early -- and negative -- review of Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer that appeared on the website Ain't It Cool News last Saturday. Jesse Morrison, who attends the University of Memphis, told the Hollywood Reporter that on Monday, he was called into a meeting with Malco Theatres executive Jimmy Tashie, who, he claims, told him that "20th Century Fox called them that morning and threatened to take away the press and trade screenings because of this whole thing. They were upset." Tashie told the trade publication that Fox did not demand that Morrison be fired, but he acknowledged that had phoned to complain about an employee writing reviews in advance. "No one asked us to do anything. We have been in business 95 years, and this is the first time anything like this happened. And this boy knew what he was doing was the wrong thing. ... He was in a position of trust and he violated that trust.""

  • June 14, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    cool news, ain't it?

    by Napoleon Park

    Projectionist loses job after reviewing movie<p> <p> L.A. - Reuters/Hollywood Reporter - Jesse Morrison, a 29 year old $7.00 @ hour projectionist at a Memphis based Malco Theatres Inc. chain has lost his job after writing an unauthorized early review of "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" for the Web site Ain't It Cool News. A negative review, published under the headline "Memflix crushes all hope for 'Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer."'. Part of Morrison's job entailed "readying movie prints for exhibitor and press screenings."<p> [AICN keeps articles on their "front page" for a few days to a week depending on how popular the thread is in the talkbacks. After that they shuffle them into the archives, accessible by clicking on the "cool news" link for another ten days or so. here's a link to the review: <p> <p> This is the first time "someone working in the entertainment industry' has lost a job over posting an advance review of an as yet unreleased film on line. <p> Two days after the review appeared "Memflix" was called to the office of Malco senior VP Jimmy Tashie and informed he was being "suspended until further notice with ... would not be asked to return." Tashie told Morrison that "20th Century Fox called them that morning and threatened to take away the press and trade screenings because of this whole thing. They were upset." Tashie stresses that Fox did not ask for Morrison's firing. Fox also denies responsability, saying that the disciplinary action was the theater chain's decision. Morrison said he had never been asked to sign such a confidentiality agreement, though he would have if asked. Tashie said: "In the future, anybody in that position will sign something." <p>Morrison says he is "hoping to get a job as a professional movie reviewer, but I don't know what's going to happen with that."

  • June 14, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    God Bless Memflix

    by Joey_Redballs

    I hope he sues those mutherfukkers for unlawfully firing him for exercising his freedom of speech. He didn't sign a non-disclosure. Sue them, Memflix. Sue them to hell! I salute you. nuff said.

  • June 14, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Memflix made the local news here in Memphis

    by jsp2000

  • June 15, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST


    by trombone

    Not at ALL the same thing.

  • June 15, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Memflix is DEFINITELY my personal hero

    by trombone

    Would you marry my daughter so that the Memflix sperm can enrich the trombone family tree? <br> <br> Seriously, bro', way to go. You are doing important work. Yes, I said it, AICN is one of the places where we can get the TRUTH as opposed to the JUNK that is normally "reported". Most entertainment "news" is nothing more than promo, so I, for one, depend on AICN to keep it real.

  • June 18, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    This movie was trash...

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Thing burping; the Dodge Hemi Fantasticar; Stan Lee's disgraceful cameo; Galactus cloud; PG rating; Silver Surfer's "end"; Thing's alcohol problem; the ridiculous amount of product placement; etc. Nuff said.

  • June 19, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    get a clue...

    by markmerlin

    Do you haters really know anything about the FF? This movie captured their personalities perfectly. the movie wasn't perfect, but it blended two classic FF stories nicely (with elements of others), and made the correct changes when needed (did you really want to see Galactus with his short pants and giant antlers standing there, or would you rather see something that looks like it actually could eat a planet?) Before you type in comments, at leat try to know what you are talking about.. one guy says no more Marvel movies for him, then says bring on Iron Man! One person says the Stan Lee cameo was disgraceful, but Lee was actually at Reed and Sue's wedding in the original comic. Story and his crew obviously (at least, to those of us who are familiar with the Lee/Kirby stories) did their research, and were generally spot on with what they presented. This is the first time I have visited this site. I wonder how many of the bandwagon-jumpers who are offering their comments actually saw the film... Instead of reading Memflix's review, which concentrates on what he thinks is wrong with the film, try Harry's review, which focuses on what he thinks works in the film. Guess what... hate ain't cool.

  • Nov. 14, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    yup....this was bad..not AS bad as Ghostrider...

    by just pillow talk

    but bad.