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K&R, Part One!! The First Of The Final Four New STUDIO 60s Aired Thursday!!
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I am – Hercules!!
Wow, was Hercules angered last Thursday night!! Some fucking idiot keeps telling Time Warner Cable that “Studio 60” is in repeats and my DVR did not record last week's episode. And Jack Valenti’s ghost continues to ponder why the world gets its TV shows off the bittorrents!
Do as I did. Adjust your DVR to record both reruns and new episodes of this show.
NBC describes tonight’s new episode, titled “K&R,” thusly:
Jordan (Amanda Peet) is rushed into surgery as the situation with Tom's (Nathan Corddry) brother grows more grim.
10 p.m. Thursday. NBC.
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just do it now
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being second is awesome!!
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or am I?
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I didn't see any mention about the behind-the-scenes goings-on of an SNL-esque comedy show in that description.
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I'm going to miss this show, and plan to re live it DVD more than once. Say what you like about the show's politics and preachiness (I've got a problem with neither), this is still beautifully written, brilliantly staged television. Studio 60 is nothing if not class.
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Like Pirate Master has stolen my heart.
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We should send Studio Apartments to NBC to save this show. Sixty of them should do.
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This is just another show wasting space on a networks schedule. Save it all for the DVD, and put anything on instead of this!!
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If not new episodes of Studio 60 it'd be reruns or reality shows. Every show on network tv is "wasting space on a network's schedule" until the fall.
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i shall miss ths.
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Ugh, are you people dense. It's none of those things. It's extremely poorly written because: A) All of the characters speak in the same 'voice' and B) It's completely off the mark on how the behind the scenes of an SNL style comedy show should look, sound, and feel. That means the writing is bad! It doesn't matter how many 'witty' barbs are shot back and forth ad infinitum. The show is flawed at the core and anyone that thinks otherwise is an idiot that will digest anything without thinking twice about it. Flame away, you who are wrong. Then go out and blow your money on this ego-fest.
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Dorks.
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word. i love me my studio 60, but i've got DVR. tonight's all about the spurs.
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...to everyone complaining about ratings. I hope Sorkin continues to use what he went through in real life with the series, in the series itself. Maybe the final episode will have Matt and Danny getting fired, or Studio 60 getting shut down completely.
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Its amazing, isn't it, jimmy_009? I see you on the Studio 60 talkbacks every week bleating the same tune. Why are you here if you hate the show so much? Are you really so much of a loser that you lurk round the boards waiting to unload on a show you think is totally without merit? Seriously man, go to bed. "It's completely off the mark on how the behind the scenes of an SNL style comedy should look, sound and feel" How so? If you were to say that the characters sometimes come accross as brighter and more articulate than they perhaps would be in real life, then you might have a point. Equally, I can see that Sorkin's politics might rub you up the wrong way, but you let those things cloud your critical perspective. You choose to attack the quality of the show, which quite frankly is above reproach. Anyway it's gone in four weeks, and you need never let it trouble you again. I can go watch my ego-fest DVDs and you can switch your attentions back to something more deserving of your highly honed criticisms.
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A. I don't 'lurk' around the boards. When I happen to visit and there's yet another talkback praising this show like it's the second coming (instead of a GOOD show like Friday Night Lights), I enjoy popping in and giving you nincompoops who praise this show a good verbal wedgie. Why? Because you are wrong. Everything you say that's great about this show is wrong. I even explain in detail why but no one addresses those things. They just like to say it's conservative who don't like the politics. And yes, as stated I get a lot of joy in the fact that this turd was canceled and yes I enjoy rubbing it in your smug faces.
B. Uh, it's off the mark because a real life sketch show isn't nearly as serious minded as this retarded show. You think the guys at MadTV are debating politics? You think the big execs at NBC are always hanging out backstage at a late night sketch show? This show is so far off base for so many reasons that people like you seem to ignore cause if you didn't you'd have to admit that you wasted your time on this show. -
But you're still wrong. Yes it isn't an accurate representation of "an SNL style comedy show" but that's why its FICTIONAL. When I tune in to Studio 60 I'm not expecting an honest recreation or anything close to it. I'm expecting what they deliver. I'm expecting a much more dramatic version of it with "cool cats" of characters (similar to Ocean's Baker's Dozen). Although they don't all have the same voice they all have similar wit. And yes its unrealistic but that's television for ya. It's entertaining. If you don't like it that's fine but don't say its poorly written because of the above. That doesn't make it poorly written.
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You were a lonely kid, weren't you?Friday Night Lights is a good show, but after that you and I part company. Yes I do think that the writers at MadTV are sitting round debating politics, but I don't think any of that makes the show, because if it did guys like you would tune out. I've always thought that there was a strong element of wish-fulfillment about Sorkin's writing, and I'll concede that realism sometimes takes a back seat; but that was very much in evidence in Sports Night and The West Wing, and people loved those shows.
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but it was really just an hour of very serious people taking stupid skits way, way too seriously.
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Or snakes, ferrets and coyotes.
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But the last episode was actually pretty damn good. I'm starting to wonder if the fact that it isn't funny is supposed to be a criticism of the current state of SNL. Of course the comedy show that they put on is dull, unoriginal, and unfunny...that is what they are mimicking in real life, after all. I'm DVRing it now.
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The truth is, the show was always lacking conflict. The only way for Sorkin-style "grand drama" (and fast dialogue) to work is if there are big consequences. That's why West Wing worked and Studio 60 didn't.
So they throw in a kidnapped soldier and a baby in peril, and there's something that actually matters, so we care.
Too bad it didn't start out this good. -
I told you last week to be quiet!oh and not for nothing brother...but it's on network TV, we're not blowing our money on it..
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Jun 07, 2007 11:15:18 PM CDT
"this is still beautifully written, brilliantly staged"
by angry mean panda
Shut up. This is bad TV at it's worst: Bad TV that thinks it's good. This show needs to die.
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for someone who chastises people for "digesting anything without thinking twice about it" he seems to have a very cut and dry / closed circuit notion of what's quality and what isn't. I mean... for anyone to say that a piece of writing is just plain bad or just plain awesome well, you might as well re-enact that scene from Dead Poets Society where they make a graph and determine what makes a good poem. "B. Uh, it's off the mark because a real life sketch show isn't nearly as serious minded as this retarded show. You think the guys at MadTV are debating politics? Actually, to think that people who write comedy aren't politically minded is kind of insulting if not ill-informed. In fact, I find it hard to believe that Seth Meyers and Amy Poehler don't discuss politics and current affairs when they write Weekend Update. Do I think they are as preachy or heavy handed with other people about their beliefs? Well, no. That might just be the drama. But that people like you write the words you do, I'm inclined to believe that the drama of S60 isn't too far off the mark. douchebag.
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BadMrWonka
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They actually JOKE about politics behind the scenes at SNL. It's not a fucking seriousness and oh my god the president of the network got knocked up and now we're going to face the wrath of the red states (because they care SO much about a late night comedy show). The guy missed the mark, and you idiots missed the point. I think it's particularly apt that you signed off with the handle douchebag.
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http://www.theonion.com/content/infograph/season_finale_wrap_up
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Pretty funny stuff. The show was most interesting to me when they shifted the focus to creating the actual show; the writers struggling with sketch ideas, the actors worrying about whether they flubbed a line or if an impersonation is good. This Afghanistan crisis seems a bit heavy-handed, but it does provide some drama about how does one find humour when everything's gone to shit? "Can we be funny again?" indeed. Here's the Onion link.
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Creepy wacko.Anyhoo, tonight's ep was fun. Really gonna miss this when it's gone.
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...is that the characters are unqualified to do what they do. Sorkin loves to write for geniuses: people who are better in their field than anyone else. That worked fine for Sports Night and West Wing; Whenever the characters would talk sports or politics, they came off as passionate and brilliant.
But I think Sorkin just doesn't know comedy enough. He can't write people who do it all the time, who are theoretically some of the funniest people in the country. That Tom's parents had never heard of Abbott & Costello was IDIOTIC. It would be like having a show callled Master Gardeners where one of the gardener's parents comes to visit and says "...what is that curiously scented flower in the vase?" and the gardener says "Why Mom, it's a rose."
In the end this was what drove me crazy and forced me to start agreeing with all the people who hate this show. -
that this was the first of four final episodes. I thought this was the fourth of seven final episodes. Have they retroactively unbroadcast the previous three episodes? How does that work? Don't badmouth the h8terboiz [tm]. People who come to AICN talkbacks to criticize shows they never watched or never liked do so because, here's the fun part, they really have nothing better to do. Their lives are really that empty. Think of the poor sad losers who have to wait until February before they can once again type the sentence "Lost doesn't give all the answers in one episode Waahh!" Of course I don't mean the disparage the really smart conservatives who critique this show intelligently by disecting the plots point by point because they don't like Aaron Sorkin's writing or the political stances his characters espouse. I mean, you'd almost think those people would be smart enough to realize the shows been canceled and they won their fight, but they still need to try to explain to people who enjoy the show why they shouldn't and by the way, no Santa or Easter Bunny.
My favorite part of the episode was the montage of variously costumed and made-up scenes, flashbacks to the leads at various ages and time periods, showing that they really have been having the atheism vs. Christianity argument over and over for a full eight years. Ending with the Atheist character gazing skyward, imploring God for help with a wink, a finger point and "Show me what you got."
I'm a sucker for corny, manipulative writing like Spielberg and Disney and Frank Miller specialize in and I found that an effective, moving moment. -
uh...treason, anyone? pretty sure you're not allowed to give ten million dollars to the taliban. but beyond the logical flaws, i'm really not tuning into studio 60 to watch matt albie weigh the pros and cons of giving into the demands of terrorists. why the hell can't they just show what happens behind the scenes at a sketch comedy show? we gotta get a "cord wrapped around the babys neck" sublot coupled with a "kidnapped by the taliban" subplot? just show sketch comedians and writers writing & doing sketch comedy!
oh, and btw, quit showing marc mckinney as a wicked happy family man in flashbacks for simple irony's sake. once was touching, but everytime we flashback we gotta get him going, "Hey, i've got a great family that I love! Hope nothing happens to them!" -
... has one sentence about Studio 60: "Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip: Saddled with poor, trite, unrealistic writing, Danny and Matt face the cancellation of their show." Very witty. Although I don't agree with their humorous bon mot, I pass it along simply because doing the cut and paste on links and then getting that "page not found 404" message is such a pain in the ass. It's my bad, I keep forgetting that long links posted here break up and add spaces. Darn, if only there were someway for AICN to post a link to the "tinyUrl.com" web site, such as maybe posting it in bold type an inch below the 'quick talkback form', so that everyone could find it. That way we'd know that people who don't use TinyUrl aren't doing it on purpose because they think it's funny to be an asshole, they just do it because they're obnoxious, inconsiderate pricks. Oh, wait, we already do know that. Never mind.
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each week to watch the remainder of these episodes; and I'm enjoying them. Although, it's difficult to invest in the same way I would if I knew it was coming back next year.
I tend towards the conservative side of political debate; and I have to say, I'm really not bothered by Sorkin's political bias. His writing actually sounds a lot like the liberal leaning teachers I had at school, many years ago, so it's not like hearing anything new.
I, too, enjoyed the moment that was worked into the end of last night's Matt/Harriet argument. Matt above all else loves his friends; and wants things to work out for them. When he comes to a wrap up point in his most recent round of debate w/ Harriet; he looks to Heaven pleadingly because he finally has no place else to turn.
NBC is really not going to be offering anything better than Studio 60 on its' slate of new fall shows. They may come up with something as good. But, how many shows will that actually be? The probability is one or two at the most. With a dearth of decent shows on their network; and a raft of impending cancellations this fall, NBC is going to regret not ordering atleast a mid-season return for Studio 60.
It's a good show that would have developed it's audience, I believe much the same way shows like M*A*S*H and Cheers did many years ago, when networks took little bit more of a chance on a quality show. -
...sketch comedians and writers writing & doing sketch comedy!"
30Rock hardly ever does that, either. Where's the bitching?
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what I wouldn't give to be able to create a TV network for unduly cancelled shows. We'd have Action, Sports Night and It's Like, You Know as part of our comedy block, Firefly and Drive for our Nathan Fillion block, Veronica Mars, Wonderfalls and Point Pleasant, and rounding it out would be Studio 60 and Jericho. Oh, guess we have to strike Jericho from the programming until it gets cancelled again because no new viewers will flock to a 7 episode miniseries in mid season.
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There are enjoyable characters. I think Nate Corddry is a star.
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Live snakes. Like in that one episode.
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....it cuts a bit to close to the bone for the studio executives who decided that the show had "run it's course". yeah sure, maybe the fact that it was expensive and that the ratings weren't strong enough to justify the price tag makes a fine excuse to put the axe to the show, but the actually reason is much more telling.
i can't imagine any studio executive liking the fact that this show was pointing out how stupid and shallow the average studio executive really is. the fact that the show attacked "reality" television, talked about the obsession with ratings numbers, (and with last nights show), showed that the nightly news has little to do with the broadcasting of information and more to do with entartaining the masses in there own way, MUST have rubbed the executives at NBC the wrong way. never mind the fact that the show liked to push the "hot button" issues that no one likes to talk about in public, like religion and politics, and it's no wonder the show isn't comming back next year. network television isn't the place for this type of show, it's obvious that the really smart show belong on the pay channels. NBC has much more intresting programming to put out there, you know, "great" stuff like "age of love". *sigh*
anyway, again: love this show, really gonna miss it. -
....you say that "I even explain in detail why but no one addresses those things." but every time someone rebuffs your "points" you either dissapear, deflect the points by attacking spelling or typo errors, or go back to calling anyone who dosen't agree with you an "idiot".
so again lets try asking a straight forward question and see if you can answer it without resulting to name calling: how come it's allright for....lets say... "friday night lights" to ratchet up the drama by "selling" the fact that high school football in texas is more important that ANYTING else in life, but STUDIO60 isn't allowed to make a similar "suspention of disbelief"?
how come it's ok for one show and not another? because **YOU** like one show and not the other? -
Last nights episode was one of the series' best. It's such a shame this show is cancelled.
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whammy!
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http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/iamlegend/
whammy! -
Is Tom's little brother still standing in the middle of Afghanistan? Because if he is, he should at least apply some sunblock.
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I've watched every episode. Enjoyed some. Finally got really freakin' tired of Sorkin's patented preaching. He speaks through every single character and WON'T SHUT THE HELL UP. Here's a novel idea: how about you write a show about the backstage goings-on of an SNL-esque late night show?
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DL Hughley! Although last week's winner, Timothy Busfield, wasn't as conspicuous since his absence didn't need to be explained away.I have no doubt the "getting ready for the Emmys" scene was from The West Wing's cast & crews experience on that day. Trying to decide who should accept if they win: Matt, or Danny. The whole exchange might have taken place between Aaron Sorkin and John Welles.
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But this show is just a reeking steamer of a dung pile.
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the main drama happening isn't that connected to the show itself, and there are stretches, but I don't care. I like the characters, I enjoy the relationships, and I love the writing, so I keep watching.
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"A judge orders Paris Hilton back to jail, CNN confirms. She was taken from court screaming, the Associated Press reports."
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Cry me a fucking river, you douche, famous for being famous. -
I might be wrong, but wasn't he head of the Motion Picture academy, not the TV one?
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The last five minutes of the show were very close to perfect, snappy pin sharp dialogue with a charm and more importantly real heart.
s60 has had a few wobbles, but the quality has never dipped below what most shows never achieve.
This past episode made me remember why I used to LOVE the early west wing (as opposed to merely strongly liking the final few seasons). Its just a shame S60 won't get a chance to find its audience on broadcast TV or find another avenue to continue on.
As soon as S60 is released on Blu Ray I'm definately putting my order in - and likely will get it as a gift for a few others just to share something I feel is special.
And the saddest thing is that I cant share my love of the show with friends as the show won't start on UK television until the end of the month, and is looking to get dumped on a saturday night rather than promoted as the big new show it would have had it not been cancelled.
At least Boston Legal will be back next season... -
A musical, maybe
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And I was glad to see more flashbacks. Next week flashs back to when/why Matt and Danny were fired to begin with, which should be interesting, and HOPEFULLY, Judd Hirsch will be able to make an appearance of some size.
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Tim Batale wore a blue Oxford shirt and khakis! Flood NBC with blue Oxford shirts and khakis! NBC will immediately understand and renew the show, as Tim Batale would have wanted if he existed and wasn't an anagram for Matt Albie!
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I win the biggest nerd award for being the only one who thought about that when I saw the title
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can suck it.
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It's a show about a live comedy show and we're dealing with the start of the war in Afghanistan and an airman being held hostage. What the fuck??? You think maybe Ol' Aaron is still trying to write West Wing?? Just a little?? How fucking stupid is it to be talking about international rescue operations from the office of Saturday Night Live? And since when is a COMEDY WRITER a big enough celebrity to mention as the brother of etc, etc? Seriously...it must be hard for the actors to keep a straight face these days. I'm of the same political stripe as Sorkin and I love smart dialogue, but this show has jumped every fucking shark in San Francisco Bay. Watching it is like attending an Irish wake where they dance with the corpse. It was ill-conceived and pointless from the very start and the characters are the most annoying group of dyspeptic whiners ever assembled in a post-thirtysomething world. Sorkin needs to stop thinking every brain fart he has is brilliant and try writing like someone else for a change.
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the airman being held hostage IS NOT the brother of one of the writters, but is instead the brother of one of the stars of the show. it's a plot point that has been present since the start of the show that jeters brother was in the air-force so it's not like this is TOTALLY out of left feild.
makes me wonder is anyone who slams this show actually watching it, and if they do watch, how well are they actually able to follow whats happening in any given story? -
(Sounds like a new buddy comedy) Sandwich - you're so right about the Abbott & Costello thing! That was so perfectly emblematic of how condescending and insulting to one's intelligence this show can be. It would have been more likely that the parents LOVED "Who's On First?" and the kid wrote it off as too old, but then ended up loving it too. Sorkin just doesn't get it. And Magnum Opus, your one-liner said it better than my long paragraph. "...But this show is just a reeking steamer of a dung pile" So true. Why did I waste all those words?
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I find it sooooo hard to follow. It's genius is just so far above my head, but I try my best to keep up. That little nebbishy fuck is a star of the show? I guess he's the Chris Kattan of the show?? I thought he was a writer...sorry. I've watched the show, I just miss a few things when I'm rolling my eyes I guess. It's still stupid as hell and you know it.
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...it's not your fault you can't tell what character is who? that makes much more sense. "it's the shows falut". you haters just keep shooting yourself in the foot by not actually having any of your facts strait. lol.
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....if you don't like the show thats fine, just be honest enough to say so. but saying the show is "stupid" or has "plot holes" or is "overdramatic" (as opposed to every OTHER hour long TV drama?) when it's clear you are only half paying attention, to a show you allread dislike, in between bong hits, sounds to me like sour grapes, not to mention total bullshit. i don't think being intellectually dishonest should be worn like a badge of honor, and neither should you. you are better than that, WE are better than that, or at least we SHOULD be...
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Us haters know how to spell the word "straight". I count that us a plus. And when I used the word stupid I was referring to trying to make a big political or military crisis take place backstage at a comedy show - that's just idiotic. The show itself is not "stupid", it's problem is it is self-consciously "smart" and in love with itself. (Or Sorkin's every brain fart, as I said earlier, same thing) It sounds like it was written by a college freshman. I'm sorry I seem to have to touched a nerve with you. I like smart shows, but this one is just terrible. I do like the line about "in between bong hits" though - that was a good one. Even though I dond't partake of the herb myself.
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I was taking a hit during that last sentence.
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Seriously. I didn't mind you guys chiming in when the show needed the ratings, but at this point, just go ahead and tune out. Your comments aren't going to make the show better (it's not coming back), and there's no one still working on the show for you to make feel bad (trust me, they've moved on to their next project).
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.....just intrested in a little intellectual honesty, even from the haters. i know it's hard to come by here in cyber-space but what the heck, i dare to dream. anyway the point is, tom jeters brother being in the air force has been a plot point during the entire run of the show. it's been a "back-drop" element and this is the pay-off. it's really not that big of a political or military crisis, just something that (unfortunately)happens to people with relatives in the military on a regular basis. sadly it's a situation that has become all to common place, and this show is just commenting on that fact. it's just funny that it seems ok if other shows did something similar, but if S60 does it it's becomes a "brain-fart" or "self important". why, because it's sorkin? jeez...
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Because Sorkin's writing is so pompous and self-important. No, worse - self-indulgent! That's what I mean by "brain farts". I mean that he writes this dialogue that goes around and around in circles and tries SO HARD to be witty that it no longer resembles real people talking any place on this earth. He loves his "style" and it kills any sense that we are watching real characters and not just cardboard mouthpieces for whatever crap is running through his mind. A good example would be when he tells her to reach in and fix the umbilical cord like "Billy Crystal in City Slickers". And she tells him that was a cow. Who the fuck talks like that? Who is out there referencing a largely forgotten scene from "City Slickers"? It just rings completely false. And on top of that his characters are so often rude and unlikable - such as the way he treats the young doctor. I get the point, but once he realizes the doctor knows what he's doing he doesn't even think to say a simple "sorry". They're all testy and tortured and just plain annoying. The last section where Matthew Perry is fighting about religion with Sarah Paulson is a good idea, but the execution made him look like nothing more than an asshole - and I'm an anti-relgion person myself. He shows her zero respect and you wonder why she stayed with him as long as she did. Bottom line: bad show.
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...a scripted television program where characters talk "like real people."
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.....that the show is "too smart of it's own good". well you know what, I'LL take it, and you wanna know why? i'll take ANYTHING, as long as it's smart. even "to smartfor it's own good", or "too smart for the room", what "smart" have you. because at least it IS "smart".
at this point if we reject anything "smart" on network TV, all we are gonna get instead is "dumb". and i'm talking "age of fucking love" dumb. is that what anyone really wants?
seriously, i'm asking. because i know that in my everybay life, i refrence the "forgotten scenes" in such films as "caddyshack" and "austin powers: 2". am I anyless "real" than danny or matt, or anyone else on S60?
how could it be, "less real" or sorkin "preaching" when by your own example, HARRIET ALWAYS WINS THE FIGHT!!! seriously, if the show is his "soap box" why make the characters he disagrees with right. even jack who is supposed to be a "slimy executive" comes off as an actual nice guy. there is subtely there.
like i said, i'll take ANY kind of "smart" i can get. you may not agree, and thats fine. i'll just instead remind you that "good" and "bad" are a subjective thing. -
.....you know why danny was a dick to the doctor? you see i've been in the ER or delivery room where a life is in jepordy. when that shit happens you wanna grab the doctor by the neck and tell him if he looses the baby, you WILL snap. it sounds harsh, but that happens, i promise you.
and i don't say that to be a dick. i'm just saying when shit like that goes down, you really don't care who you are rude to, honestly -
And you think that in the scared state he's in as a boyfriend and father to be in the emergency room, his mind would just naturally jump to a Billy Crystal comedy about guys pretending to be cowboys?? Yeah, I can see that. And I don't know what you were watching, but Harriet did not win those fights - he always got the last word in and she put up with a very bitter angry asshole it looked like to me. (And again, not religious here) Even when he threw a prayer skyward it wasn't an admission of vulnerability or even really a prayer, it was a threat: "show me something". It should have been a powerful moment, but it's just another whiny-ass moment for Perry who is absolutely fucking terrible on this show. His idea of good drama is draining away any semblance of charisma that he used in comedy. It's not enough just to be smart, you also have to reflect the real world or make us believe your world and you have to entertain us, move us, make us laugh. This series is 0 for 3 on that count with me. But you're right, to each his own... You like it, I don't, so what. It's over anyway. I'm as desperate for good shows as you are, but hopefully Sorkin takes a loooong hiatus.
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....i refrence obscure movie quotes all the time in everyday life, lighthearted or stressful moments, dosen't matter. so to me the "city slickers" thing isn't that far fetched. and yeah, i think harriet wins the fights, just by virtue of the fact that she dosen't need to be mean or cruel to make here point. and thats comming from someone who also isn't really "down" with religion. in the end, matt does come off as the "bitter, angry asshole" while harriet remains ture to her faith. to me thats a win, i don't think getting the last word in means as much as being the bigger person. but again, thats just me.
anyway, at least we can agree to disagree. because it's clear to me that all the things you don't get out of the show (feeling, entertainment, laughter), i get from the show in rich supply. television will be a much poorer place when this goes off the air imo.
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