Hoping to take advantage of a devoted fan based -- and the new multiplatform era -- CBS is readying a plan to bring back the drama sometime next season. Net will likely order seven or eight episodes for broadcast. Eye killed "Jericho" last month, leaving the show off its fall schedule and declaring it dead (Daily Variety, May 16). Normally, that would've been the end of things. But fans of the show revolted, launching a massive online-based campaign to save the show. Their gimmick: Deluging the Eye's Gotham and L.A. HQ with bags of... nuts. Nearly 20 tons, at last count, according to a Web site tracking electronic orders for the nuts. Protesters even found the cell phone number of a CBS exec, flooding him with calls and forcing him to change his number.“Mars” creator Rob Thomas wants to keep “Veronica” on, even going so far as to shoot a “presentation” (or mini-pilot) depicting the title character attending Virginia’s FBI academy several years in the future. (The “Veronica FBI” presentation will, by the way, be an extra on the show’s third-season DVD). And Dawn Ostroff, who runs The CW’s entertainment division, is also said to be a huge “Veronica” fan. From the May 18 edition of The Hollywood Reporter, published the day after the CW announced its “Mars”-less fall schedule:
At a news conference after the presentation, [CW entertainment president Dawn] Ostroff confirmed that "Veronica Mars" has solved her last case in her current incarnation but that no final decision has been made on a proposed new version of the series by creator Rob Thomas in which the title character, played by Kristen Bell, is at the FBI Academy.This would seem to be confirmed by a report from TV Guide's Michael Ausiello:
The press conference is over. I tackle Dawn just as she tries to escape and I ask her to level with me. Is Veronica dead? "Veronica Mars is over, but we're talking about something else. I don't know if it's going to be anything. I'm being honest with you. It could come back in some form, but I don't know what form that would be." She confirmed that the deadline to make a decision is "somewhere around" the June 15 date I referred to previously.I would posit that “Jericho” was FAR deader two weeks ago than “Veronica” is now. Did “Jericho” fans just want it more than “Veronica” fans? I say NUTS TO THAT! In the 2007 E! “Save One Show” poll , “Veronica” beat the living shit out of “Jericho,” 32 percent to … ZERO percent!! If you’re aware of a current petition to save “Veronica Mars,” tell us where it is and we will publicize it here at Ain’t It Cool just as vigorously as Merrick publicized the “Save Jericho” movement. Write Dawn Ostroff. Send her nuts. Send her something more appropriate. Send her something in an envelope, with stamps. (Email isn’t as impressive as giant sacks of paper, apparently.) Her address: Dawn Ostroff President of Entertainment The CW Network 4000 Warner Boulevard, Bldg 168 Burbank, CA 91522-0002 BE POLITE!! Dawn loves “Veronica” as much as we do; she just needs ammunition to convince her bosses at Time Warner and CBS that “Veronica” deserves to attend the FBI. Here's the address of Dawn's boss: John Maata Chief Operating Officer The CW Television Network 4000 Warner Boulevard, Bldg 168 Burbank, CA 91522-0002 I invite and encourage my friends, Mike Ausiello at TV Guide and Kristin Veitch at E!, “Veronica” lovers both and both with huge followings, to redouble their efforts in support of the “Veronica” cause. If you’ve a better idea than nuts, post that idea in talkback. (Not bullets, as those could scare people.) Somebody just sent me this MarsBuck. It's cheaper but perhaps not as impressive as nuts. Also, that "two seasons" thing could use updating.
June 6, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST
first first ever
June 6, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST
Ah, forget it. I tried...
June 6, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST
But they're better than anything I thought of in the last hour.
June 6, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST
In all fairness, I think a lot of people (myself included) thought Season 2 of Jericho was a lock. It had great ratings when it debuted and weathered the American Idol storm fairly well, and should have been a no-brainer for renewal. More than anything CBS's decision shows that there was some disagreement among the decision-makers when it was cancelled. <p> As for VM, it's just not worth fighting for anymore if we're just going to get a Season 3 redux with an even smaller budget and even more characters thrown by the wayside as a result. I love the show, but it comes to a point where you have to let it go. We got two great seasons and one good one for a show that probably wouldn't have lasted past 13 episodes on any other network than UPN. That's going to have to be good enough.
June 6, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST
They have nothing to do with the show, but maybe they could get a new sponsor.
June 6, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST
No one. That's why it was in the Save One Show poll!! <br><br> I think Mars bars are a great idea!! Get bags of the mini-kind.
June 6, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST
Sweet! Now where do we ship all that dark chocolate lovin'...?
June 6, 2007, 1:40 a.m. CST
June 6, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST
Let's get on it! Tick tick... Anybody got a link to someplace online that sells 'em in bulk?
June 6, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST
I thought CBS's decision to air most of Season 1 commercial free was a pretty good indication that Jericho was a lock. I could have sworn that it was actually given a Season 2 renewal at that point to be completely honest. I guess I need to pay a bit more attention to ratings in the future.
June 6, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST
... the address Herc gave: Dawn Ostroff President of Entertainment The CW Network 411 North Hollywood Way Burbank, California 91505
June 6, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST
by Darth Fabulous
You can ship them off of Amazon...I guess fans of VM have already been sending them to Dawn Ostroff.
June 6, 2007, 2:03 a.m. CST
...The writing was up to the usual standards, but they were obviously hamstrung by the netwokr 'tard brigade. If they can't do it right then they shouldn't do it at all.
June 6, 2007, 2:03 a.m. CST
...mail huge jars of fireflies to Fox.
June 6, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST
by darth girlfriend
Logan put the beatdown on rapists, boyfriends and mobsters. He was fightin' 'round the world. GO MARS BARS!!!!!
June 6, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST
No online community moves faster than digg. I posted a quick story under entertainment, via the name "NolanTMayhem" that links directly back to Hercules' post here at AICN. Go digg it and get more traffic over here so we can get more folks fast.
June 6, 2007, 2:32 a.m. CST
Love 'em more than Milky Ways! I'm not a fan of Veronica Mars and have seen only one episode, to me it was like Buffy without the Vampires BUT I understand why it would have devoted fans like I understand Galactica fans but I personally don't care for the show. I'm a Jericho fan and glad its coming back even its only for 8 episodes- hopefully more. I say to all Veronica Mars fans- go for it! The CW is barely hanging on and it cancels a show with a devoted fanbase? Makes no sense. Good luck and hope you succeed.
June 6, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST
Not until it was gone for good did I realize what a unique and entertaining show VM was.<br><br>And Enrico Colantoni just might be the coolest dad in the history of television. Please bring it back!
June 6, 2007, 3:17 a.m. CST
how about we send bells? In honor of the only defnite returning actor
June 6, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST
...from their contracts, so any resurrected form of Veronica Mars would be appreciably different than the show that was canceled. I heard that the FBI treatment was essentially "21 Jump Street." Very original. Also, didn't Jericho have several million more viewers than VM? Why would Ostroff and the CW want to resurrect a show that consistently lost money? Just asking. I think the concept, whatever it is, is played out, but hey! Do your worst. Stranger things have happened (Roswell, Farscape -- although I don't think VM is in their league).
June 6, 2007, 3:57 a.m. CST
by The Selecter
VM was tied for 138th, with "Girlfriends" and "All of Us" out of 142 shows during the 06-07 season. Only "The Game" and "Runaway" finished with worse ratings.<br><br>(Jericho was 48th, beating established shows such as Bones, Prison Break, and L&O)
June 6, 2007, 3:57 a.m. CST
Talkbackers said the same thing about "Jericho."
June 6, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST
The CW doesn't have the reach or the budget (or the football) of CBS. All CBS shows get higher ratings than all CW shows. If CBS wants to pick up "Veronica Mars," I'd be cool with that too. I'm sure it would get a bigger audience there.
June 6, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST
by The Outlander
June 6, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST
M&M/Mars discontinued that candy bar in 2002. The Brit Mars bars (depicting in my post) are a different deal, and I don't think you can pick them up in most American supermarkets. So keep thinking.
June 6, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST
Veronica Mars is one of my 4 favourite shows on tv: VM, BSG, Lost and House. I speak in the present tense because we're about 5 episodes into the 3rd series on UK tv at the moment. obviously shipping foodstuffs from the UK to California is outta the question, but god knows i would if i could.
June 6, 2007, 4:57 a.m. CST
they've got jpegs of the wrapper you can send also.
June 6, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST
Why not use iTunes to 'gift' the Elvis Costello track "Veronica" to Dawn Ostroff or John Maata?<br><br>A single track is dirt cheap, its all electronic so there's no waste of natural resources, and you'll get all the PR of having an 80's track unexpectedly shoot up the download charts out of nowhere.
June 6, 2007, 5:33 a.m. CST
we can each find one in a giftshop of our choice in our own cities. how hard is that? then on the other side write SAVE MARS....dont let it turn out like PLUTO! cmon everyone hop to it!! we can do this.
June 6, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST
I mean, if we need to bring back a show, let it at least be a good one.
June 6, 2007, 5:56 a.m. CST
send em vibrators instead, think of how happy the troops will be when they get them in thier care packages
June 6, 2007, 6:18 a.m. CST
is because Jericho was pulling down 8-10 million viewers against American Idol on a competitive Wednesday night. Veronica Mars was pulling in less then 2 million with a 4 million + lead in on a weak Tuesday night. Just deal with it, the show deserves to die BECAUSE NO ONE WAS WATCHING IT!!!
June 6, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST
They're dirt cheap, aren't they? $1.79 at Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Jet-Puffed-Marshmallows-10-oz/dp/B0005XNERS/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-0593774-7921438?ie=UTF8&s=gourmet-food&qid=1181128602&sr=8-1 You know what they say. Veronica Mars, she's a marshmallow.
June 6, 2007, 6:27 a.m. CST
...do Kristen Bell in the butt.
June 6, 2007, 6:30 a.m. CST
I've never heard of it so it therefore must suck.
June 6, 2007, 6:33 a.m. CST
I wanna know if Katherine Helmond is really dead or not!
June 6, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST
What about sending in spray painted red stones, pebbles, gravel ets - with notes attached claiming that "Mars Rocks". /got nothin
June 6, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Look, I really loved Veronica Mars, the show, but the third season was uneven (and I still can't buy it that Piz got to get into Veronica's pants). Honestly, I hate to say this, but I think Veronica Mars has run its course. But I definitely would like to see Ms. Bell starring in an entirely different, new series.
June 6, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST
And fuck Costello. Son of a bitch is doing Lexus commercials. LEXUS. Fucking tool.
June 6, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST
She appeared to Benson as a vision, but she didn't think she was dead.
June 6, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST
The show killed itself this past season, jumping a whole row of sharks, so quit trying to "save" it. sheesh.
June 6, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST
Man I watched the hell out of Benson when I was a wee lad, I guess it was too long ago for me to remember. Shit, is it too late to save Benson?
June 6, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST
i don't get it. I've only seen 6 out of 19 episodes of the third season so far (they've just begun to screen in the UK) and thus far they seem every bit as good as seasons 1 and 2. what is so ass-rapingly terrible about the subsequent 13 episodes? i understand from talkback comments that fans were unhappy with the lack of an over-arching mystery in season 3 and the increased emphasis on stand-alones, as well as certain characters being shoved to the back. But "disgusting and awful"? unless Veronica Mars suddenly gets a lobotomy in the next few episodes, i don't see how the show could turn that bad that quickly.
June 6, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST
We still don't know what happens to Bert or Danny.
June 6, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST
and the actor who played Danny career is dead (never be forgiven for that lousy Pink Panther film, no matter how much goodwill he garnered with Blossom).<p> The world needs Chuck and Bob back on the air.
June 6, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST
Sixteen years later and I still need to know what the fuck happened to Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Dale Cooper after "How's Annie? How's Annie?"
June 6, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
It's not easy to specify what went wrong with Season 3, but a lot of the season felt "off". For me, the approach of it, particularly how Veronica is treated and made to act, just did not feel right. *SPOILERS* She gets roofied (AGAIN). She hooks up with talky goofball Piz (who seems to be nothing more than Rob Thomas' attempt at creating a "nice guy" character for Veronica, but Piz is no Leo). The pointlessness of Parker. Mac, Wallace and Weevil all severely under-utilized. The death of Lamb. And the whole Hearst College setting -- so many of the collegiate-based secondary and guest characters came off as smug... hell, the whole setting seemed smug (as opposed to snobby at Neptune High). Maybe others here can give a better explanation as to why they feel Season 3 was disappointing.
June 6, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST
Like i say, i've only seen 6 episodes of season 3 but what i've seen i like. I certainly don't see any change in the quality of the writing. Plus i like the Hearst setting - Veronica always seemed too clever for high school anyway, so it feels like a natural evolution.
June 6, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST
exactly how many shows on TV have ever been as well written as VM? I can think of very few that didn't have Joss Whedon, or David Lynch's name on them. Right now, BSG, VM, House and not much else is remotely worth watching at all. One of the reasons why season 3 seems uneven is the same reason why Firefly was so uneven. It's very difficult for a good writer/producer to create a story arc he/she knows will never get to be completed. At least with Twin Peaks the entire point was that the show was so otherwordly that it really doesn't matter if Coop and Bob are now one and the same. It was a cliffhanger riff and it worked for me. I'm just glad that it's finally available again. As for VM, or any future rendition of the character, without some kind of commitment from the extremely uncreative folks usually in charge of funding hour-long dramas, you'll never see much more than stand-alones. But really, aren't they still so much better than most of what's available now that those writers should continue to be employed? Those who continue to say that VM's 3rd season sucked are the same folks who are still pissed that Tom Bombadil didn't make it into LOTR. When you support good work, you are more likely to have the opportunity to continue to appreciate it. Why then are the ratings low? Two primary reasons are that not enough people even know where the CW resides in their 500+ channel cable packages, and that the show was jacked around different timeslots. Gotta keep it where folks can find it.
June 6, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST
by Evil Hobbit
Veronica Mars is lame.
June 6, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST
forget shipping item x in volume to anyone--just buy whatever bullshit the commercials try to sell you during the show and prove to the advertisers that you are serious. if everyone's going to start rounding up campaigns for shipping tons of food or trinkets to tv studios, why not instead make donations in veronica mars' name to a charity or something worthwhile that is also trackable?
June 6, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST
It's sad. I'm not one to get really hooked on TV shows that often, and I watched the first two seasons religiously. They were great. The third season I eventually had to just stop watching about halfway through - something I try never to do once I'm "into" a show. Last year at this time I would've been heartbroken at a cancellation; now, I don't even care.<br><br> So since a bunch of you guys are in denial apparently and disagree, what was it that made Season 3 such a disappointment?<br> -Terrible utilization of characters. Fan favorites Wallace, Mac, Weevil, and even Lamb are brought back as regulars and do absolutely nothing. The show has no idea what to do with them, and they disappear for sometimes month-long stretches.<br> -Lack of compelling new characters. At first, I hated Piz and thought Parker was worthless space. They actually began to grow on me a little bit after a while, it's true, but they still can't compare to everyone they were stealing screen time from.<br> -They actually made Logan boring. Now, newc0253 is only six episodes into the season, and he doesn't see what's wrong with it yet; here's one of the many things he'll discover. They break up...they get back together...they break up...a lot. Logan, a cool and dangerous guy who can sometimes be a prick, is, in the process, turned into a massive pussy and loses his edge completely. He was my favorite character, so I took this one personally.<br> -The setting. I'm sorry, Hearst College seems bland compared to the waves of intrigue at Neptune High. I realize it was hard for the writers to live up to the setting they spent two years so lovingly crafting, but...they failed. Simple as that.<br> -The standalone plots were terrible. Now, the standalone plots have never been the show's strong suit -- I always watched it mainly for the characters and the overarching mysteries. But with both of those aspects severely diminished, I had to try and care about, for example, Veronica finding some girl's boyfriend, or something. Just really stupid stuff I don't care about.<br> -The overarching mysteries were crappy too. Sadly, I never found out who killed the Dean because I stopped watching. Hey, I hope it turned into a great storyline. But the campus rapist storyline got really tiring. At first I gave the show points for shaking things up and doing something that doesn't involve a murder, but the whole Bitchy Feminist vs. Asshole Frat Boys angle got really annoying. Mars has always had severely one-dimensional bitchy women lurking in the background, which I've never enjoyed, and this was too much for me.<br><br> Sorry about going in such mind-numbing detail about what was bad with the show, but from the above posts it seems like people actually wanted to know. Screwing up the characters...screwing up the plotlines...and an uncompelling setting. That about covers it, I think. And straylight2k, no, I wasn't whatsoever pissed about Tom Bombadil not being in LOTR. As clever as you may think that sounds, it doesn't make sense. Also...the common argument that even when the show is bad, it's better than most shows out there, is a little weak. First of all, yes, it's better than most reality shows and crime dramas, but there's a ton of good scripted shows on TV right now. Second, the Mars writers already raised the bar for themselves in the first two seasons. The third season was disappointing and most of all, as a big Veronica Mars fan, sad.
June 6, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST
am writing out my letter and stuffing the envelope now...I'm not crazy about the FBI jump...but I gotta have faith in Rob Thomas....
June 6, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
renewed. Why? Because Veronica Mars has had it's day. How long has that thing been on, anyway? If I were to participate in anything like this, it would be to get the show "Working" on dvd. That was a really good show.
June 6, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST
by Captain Vidal
and all for veronica. i'm sending a postcard and an empty envelope with the mars wrapper inside. the itunes idea is actually pretty good. i'll do that as well. SAVE VERONICA, FELLOW SLAPNUTS!!!
June 6, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST
Hey herc what about international viewers? (I live in Peru and its kind of difficult to send them a mars bars from here)
June 6, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST
I just sent this to Dawn Ostroff: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NBKRDQ/103-0295769-2769467 Total cost = $7.04 shipped.
June 6, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
<P>The CW badly needs ratings while it's sister station CBS is a ratings champ.</P> <P>CBS skews a bit older. The CW skews younger. So it makes sense that some shows won't work on CBS due to the audience the network it known to primarily attract. (Older Folk)</P><P> What I can't figure out is why CBS doesn't ship off some of their underperforming, younger skewing shows to the CW?</P> <P>Wouldn't it make sense that a show with a sizeable following such as "Jericho" (which attracted between 8 and 10 million viewers a week) be better off on their underperforming sister station (The CW) instead of cancellation? Is that not how these channels operate? Because if they don't they should start. I don't mean that the CW should be CBS's recycling bin, but shows that were on the bubble like "Jericho" and "How I Met Your Mother" are better off on a smaller network that would appreciate the numbers they brought in. Also, why didn't they give The CW a kick in the ass head start by either making a CSI Spinoff for the network or even shipping their lowest rated CSI (CSI: NY) to the CW? Would that make too much sense?</P><P>The CW is not going to survive being a niche TV channel for young girls. Young girls already have MTV and The-N (Noggin During The Day) And both are even Viacom Owned. So why don't they stop fucking around, and start programming the CW like a real network.</P><P>Any person with a brain would have known that Veronica Mars viewership was more male than female. Why the fuck would you pair it up with Gilmore Girls? Also, "Aerie Tuesdays" were fucking awful and if not for DVR (And me being able to skip through the commercials) I swear it would cause a guy to lose his dick. I remember when The WB Tuesday night was solid. But it seems those days are gone.</P><P>Veronica should have been the Monday Night anchor at 8 with Supernatural following it at 9. I bet it would have gotten higher ratings, and a second season. No one I know that watched VM watched Gilmore, and that includes a lot of girls I know.</P><P>One more thing, why the fuck do the promotional ads look so fucking cheap for The CW? I remember The WB looking more polished. What happened? UPN hacks in control?</P>
June 6, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
While we're at it. I would like to know who won the governor's race- Benson or Governor Gatling. Or we could just save Soap, bring Benson back, and just demand that he say "yeah, I was governor once" in between jokes.
June 6, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST
The new show I'd love to see Ms. Bell in stars myself, a bottle of baby oil, and her locked in a room doing the nasty. Man she's got a tight little body. That is all.
June 6, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST
the Austin CW is showing re-runs of VM season 3 right now in it's regular time slot. So - if they are willing to air such a low-rated show during the summer, then why not make VM a summer series? We could see at least 12-13 new eps (possibly 16 since alot of shows now wait until practically Thanksgiving to premiere). Maybe the show would have better ratings in the summer.
June 6, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
It culminated in one of Veronica's smartest moments and best scenes of the season. Also the finale was really good, too bad we wont ever know what happens next. Let's all download the finale on ITunes on a specific date. Come on Herc, let's get organized.
June 6, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST
by The Alienist
Yeah, so, Season Three wasn't as good as Seasons One or Two...who cares?? Veronica Mars, as played by Ms. Bell, was the TV character I most looked forward to spending time with each week. I love the Losties, the Office crew; great, great characters. But my Veronica? The best. Funny. Pretty. Smart. I am so going to miss her. She literally delighted me week after week after week. Fucking delighted me. Sitting all by my lone nerd self; a huge grin taking over my face with every quip. Loved hearing her smartass, hated it when she cried. When V hurt, I hurt. I'd take Veronica Mars in any situation, any show given me. SHE was the reason the show worked. Not because of Neptune High or Hearst College. Or even her wonderful costars. It's that wonderful blonde girl I'll forever remember: sly, cynical, intelligent, judgemental, hilarious and full of heart.
June 6, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST
yeah, so it wasn't nearly as good as the first two, they underutilized some of the supporting characters, and the big-arc mysteries were a bit of a letdown, SO FUCKING WHAT. even at its worst, veronica mars is STILL one the best-written, funniest and most entertaining shows on television. i don't buy that anyone who loved the 1st two seasons THAT much is suddenly going to bail that hard. weak sauce dudes. season 3 was pretty fucking good and the grand scheme of things and it didn't deserve to get shit on by the cw.
June 6, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST
But the final episode got 2 million viewers. The final episode of Arrested Development got 3.5-4. Come on, there's nothing we can do.
June 6, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST
... I can't wait till next year, when we start sending toasters to sci-fi...
June 6, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST
Veronica Mars is not worth saving.
June 6, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST
Hey I know you guys are going to feel like I do about this but please do this for the greater good. AOL has a poll up in the best and worst things about this past tv season. Most of the questions are focused on the vapid moronic television watching tendencies of the menial minded among us. Some of the questions are things that are worth debating but the reason I bring this up here is the last question is about what cancelled show will you miss the most. The choices are, Jericho - Gilmore Girls - The Nine - VM and as of this writing leading at 48% is Gilmore Girls. This cannot stand in my book. Please suffer through the Sanjaya's hair question and the who is the meanest reality show judge to get to the end. There are some good ones along the way. http://tinyurl.com/33b47m
June 6, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST
by Vinz Glortho
I'm still working on a campaign to bring back Manimal. Ok, the whole human/animal shapeshifting thing was kind of hokey (go figure), but Melody Anderson was HOT!!!
June 6, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST
After all the whining I've done about the cancellation/saving this show, it's only right that I put my Mars Buck where my mouth is. Let's do this, people!
June 6, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST
Man that just brought me back and gave me a good chuckle--thanks!
June 6, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST
What about flooding them with "Vote Keith Mars" posters? It'd be cheap too, because people could make them at home.
June 6, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST
I'd have sent some dust to HBO.
June 6, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST
...the web-posted video from the last episodes. Yowzah. I never watched the show until those last two episodes (caught the next to last one right after it started that night), not knowing it was on the chopping block. I was pretty surprised at how much I liked it, so I'm hoping I can catch a rerun or two as summer ticks away. I signed the petition - but I did the same for Arrested Development and look how that turned out...
June 6, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST
We need another season, especially if it's that FBI one. Could be a whole new series for all I care (and it essentially will be) as long as it has V Mars character and Kristin Bell.
June 6, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST
I sent Dawn Ostroff mars bars from amazon.com ...The vender was very helpful and sent me this note: Dear Customer, We noticed you were sending Mars Chocolate bars to the producer of the "Veronica Mars" TV series. I realize that during your purchase, you probably wanted to include a note expressing your feelings for saving the show! So, I went ahead and included a note to Ms. Ostroff saying that the show should be saved! I hope that this is something that you would like us to do. If you do not want any note, we can still remove the note prior to shipping. If so, tell all of your friends we will be including a similar note whenever we receive orders for Dawn Ostroff or any of the other producers! Thanks! I hope the show comes back!
June 6, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST
by The Pelti
Send fake Hearst College IDs, you could photoshop it fairly quickly, and it has a connection to a recent episode.
June 6, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST
We have Mars bars in Canada
June 6, 2007, noon CST
Veronica's 3rd season was lackluster and ended on an awkward cliffhanger. No where near the caliber of it's last two finales. Jericho got better and better as the season progressed and was downright great for the last 5 episodes or so with vastly superior finale/cliffhanger than Veronica. And it simply is a young show. All these factors make a Veronica revival at this point near impossible.
June 6, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST
by C00L DUD3
June 6, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST
And maybe I can sue the CW afterwards for making me hyper-obese by eating all that chocolate.
June 6, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST
She put the show after Gilmore Girls, which had a decent audience. Nobody stuck around and the ratings showed that. If you want a show to stay on the air, you must watch it.
June 6, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST
by Nairb The Movie
Let's just send test tubes of GHB!
June 6, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST
Those aren't teh ghey at all.
June 6, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST
I have absolutely no patience for someone who dissects a show and talks about how bad it is when they didn't even bother watching half the season. The resolution to the dean murder was cool if predictable, but the last few episodes were golden. Especially the last one with the return of Jake Kane and Clarence Weedman. In fact, that last episode was so good , I wish they had used that for the last mystery arc instead of trying to squeeze all that awesomeness into one ep. As it was, the show ended on a pretty low note. But it still was a decent season, considering the show was trying to find itself with all the retooling under pressure of the network. The "unevenness" was totally the fault network interference.
June 6, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST
kicking the crap out of Piz and then the rich Skulls guy who messed with Veronica. Even after she told him not to. And he had that great season 1 smirk on his face when the guy threatened his life.
June 6, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST
a dump on veronica mars's chest. bring back deadwood. i saw that awful john from cincinnati promo. looks worse than big love, if thats possible
June 6, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST
fox for arrested development
June 6, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST
CW has less market penetration than CBS, even with the merger. It also has less branding and public awareness. Meaning: even a high-rated CBS show will have lower ratings on CW. Lower ratings = less money. CBS shows are more expensive to produce because they're designed that way. They're cancelled, often enough, because they're too expensive to make at the ratings they're getting. So putting a show with too-low ratings (to justify the cost) on CW makes the situation worst, not better.<p> In fact, the opposite should happen: Veronica Mars should move to CBS. Since it's produced at a lower cost it'll be more profitable on CBS than on the CW.
June 6, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST
If you have one near you.
June 6, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST
June 6, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST
Check the final ratings for 2006-7. You'll find Jericho up at 48 with 9.6 million viewers. VM circles the drain... http://tinyurl.com/2xy6ru Devoted fan bases are great, but VM has no numbers to offer. Even Firefly hovered around 4 million viewers: http://tinyurl.com/2lfnwl You'd more likely get VM resurrected if you all sent in checks for $7.50.
June 6, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST
Isn't that pretty much the definition of an oxymoron?
June 6, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST
GET YOUR ASS TO MARS
June 6, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST
Sweet lord, find a new hobby. Not every show deserves to go on forever. Fuckin' wish Family Guy was never brought back. Now every fanboy has hope their shit show will get a reprieve.
June 6, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST
season 4? I'm sure she loves the show and a steady paycheck, but she is getting more and more film roles. She has four movies in production or being released in the next year. She is in her late 20s and late 20s/early 30s is usually the make or break time for an actress in the movies. She has seen actresses from the forgotten networks (UPN, WB, CW) amass pretty decent movie careers (Sarah Michelle Gellar, Jessica Beil). I don't think Bell is all that heartbroken that she is out of a job. Based on Rob Thomas' comments, she won't wait for long after the show is officially dead to move on. I don't know if she would support a comeback campaign. As long as she doesn't try to be the next Reese Witherspoon or Kate Hudson and do dreadful romantic comedies, I think I wouldn't mind seeing her on the big screen more. She does have great comedic timing.
June 6, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
I really dig her and think she is a good actress. I even sat through a shitty Lifetime movie just to watch her. I really hope she gets a better show. Fuck "Gossip Girl" she is better than narrating a sure to be flop by the dude who made The OC. Can someone call Shonda Rhimes over at Grey's and get Bell cast as a new Intern at Seattle Grace? I'm with the guy above who praised Bell. I'll watch her in any show.<P>Also I thought The CW was seen in more markets after the merger with UPN? According to Wikipedia The CW covers approximately 95.289 percent of U.S. television homes. And CBS can be seen in 96.98% of all American households. While I can understand the low brand awareness (They should have just kept The WB name) I thought that this new network had more affiliates now? Why can't they compete with the Big 4?
June 6, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST
These are some sites that have already begun to organize campaigns. www.barsformars.com www.savevm1.blogspot.com/ www.saveveronicamars.tv
June 6, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST
by Don Lockwood
The portrayers were on the season finale of CSI: Las Vegas. I'm just saying.
June 6, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST
As you mention, they have the low brand awareness. The other problem was the channel split: for some people, WB became CW, for others, UPN became CW. Then you got the MY TV crap. It ends up being noise that makes it harder for the viewer to tune in.<p> Eventually, it may change. But for now, the CW is far far behind, even if they had more markets.
June 6, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST
by Don Lockwood
How about Piz dispensers?
June 6, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST
Auh what are you talking about Herc? Mars bars are still around as a matter of fact I just sent two off.
June 6, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST
I never watch broadcast TV; it's all downloading from the Usenets for me. Since I don't help with ratings numbers via my DVR (I don't want The Man knowing what I watch, dammit!) I figured that $8.49 was not a bad price to pay... I've never done anything like this for a TV show before, but damn if I dont love me my Kristen Bell! This is one of the smartest shows to come around in a long time, right up there with The West Wing. TV needs quality programs like this!
June 6, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST
by jones the cat
just gone to amazon and sent a bar to Dawn. Stupid? Probably. Worth $8.49 on the chance it works? Yep.
June 6, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST
Good idea Mr. Profit. She can act (as shown in Deadwood) so give her a shot as the new hot shot intern.
June 6, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST
<p>...if it weren't for that crappy FBI concept floating around. If they wanted to do a prequel to season one, I'd be writing snail mail tonight. As good she is in the role and as much as I like the smart-ass dialog, Veronica isn't a very unlikable person. I like watching her and the dynamic she has with her father, but I would never hang out with her if she were real. If you take a borderline likable character and put her in the FBI then I don't see myself liking anyone on that show.</p> <p>I always thought that it was Veronica that needed to learn from Logan and not the other way around. She's a kid, lighten up! Once they got past her season 1 issues, I was hoping they wouldn't still be so glaringly reflected in her character. If Logan were real, he'd have truly gotten over her (not just break up) in season 3 as her self-righteousness would have worn anybody down. He too is a kid, it's easy to move on at that age.</p> <p>I don't know, season one was genius, season two was alright, season three doesn't stand out in any way. But newc0253, if you're liking the beginning, you'll continue to like it to the end. The first half of season 3 is worse than the second half.</p>
June 6, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST
I thought that jericho fans didn't stand a chance, but hell, if that worked then its at least worth the 41 cents to send CW a letter on the off chance they'll bring back their only good show. To everyone saying something to the effect of "it doesn't deserve to come back because it got low ratings" on this board - When has there ever been a coorelation between how good a show was and how many people watched it?!? Pretty much never.
June 6, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST
by Jim Jam Bongs
If I were her agent, I wouldn't want her to return and instead focus on her movie career. She's entered her mid-to-late 20s, and it could be make or break time for her career in movies. If that doesn't work out in a few years, Ms. Bell could probably star in a brand new series. The question for fans to ask here is: Exactly WHICH show are you hoping to save? The Veronica Mars of Seasons 1 and 2, or the show that it de-evolved into and would become (a quirky young FBI crime show) next season? It's over. Let it go.
June 6, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST
it'd happened (unfeasible until the creation of the CW, I know, I'm just saying) back when Gilmore was still good and retaining the kinda fans that woulda jumped on the VM bandwagon ...
June 6, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST
would also be easier if whomever is too lazy to unravel the contracts relating to season 1/UPN would get cracking and (I dunnno) put season 1 up on some online downloading sites so people in the demo they're actually trying to attract (teens, and those elusive 18-30 so types) might actually catch on to it. The show sells itsself. Certainly more so than those lame "Free to be Fearless" subways ads did last fall ...
June 6, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST
I might be misremembering this, but I feel like I recently read that "Big Love" has ratings of like 4 million and some change. And I think I read somewhere that V.M. on its better CW days hits 3 million and some change. If I'm correct, then when you factor in the profile of the actors on Big Love, the $ that HBO throws into that show (both production and marketing) and the # of episodes per program's season, and then cross reference the quality of say season 1 of Big Love with VM's mostly unknown cast, and its 22 episode s1 stretch ... sorry, I still think VM is a better show. Granted, the CW has its own problems and financial obligations to its business plan, but seriously why can't a network like HBO or FX or whomever pick up VM and actually give it a freakin chance ... imagine what VM could be like if it had any actual heat behind it, aside from you know, some critical love and the passion of a few tv nerds ... Fox got viewers for Bones by rerunning eps in the holes in its schedule. Grey's anatomy and Lost are so convoluted they get rerun in the same week sometimes AND they get "cliffs notes" specials to help viewers catch up ... if only VM had half that support ...
June 6, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST
I love Veronica Mars, but it's time to stop. Season 3 was a struggle, good but not anywhere near the quality of 1 and 2. No compelling mystery, constantly changing format, etc. I don't want another season like that. This show should stop while I still respect it.
June 6, 2007, 6 p.m. CST
because i like season 3 so far: if it's more of the same, then i'll be happy.
June 6, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST
Season 3 was better than Season 2. The smaller mystery arcs made everything a bit more palatable instead of the season 2 red herring after red herring after red herring ad nausea um. Plus Logan was LAME during the entirety of Season 2. Season 3 was grand, grand, grand. A step above and beyond 2
June 6, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST
Do you want to leave things are they are, or do you want your memories tarnished by additional episodes? Episodes with little budget, where everyone is depressed because they know they have a limited lifespan, where no one gives a damn, where your good feelings of the show are ruined. If you want all of that, the only way is to make the studio think that it will be able to make some money off of it. With 2M viewers for Mars, and even less due to a format change, it's not going to happen.
June 6, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST
If you noticed, oisin5199, my critiques were only based on the first half of the season anyway. I didn't try to diss what I haven't seen (although a few people I know who still watched it basically admitted the remaining episodes were on the same level). And lopan, you wrote, "So it wasn't nearly as good as the first two, they underutilized some of the supporting characters, and the big-arc mysteries were a bit of a letdown, SO FUCKING WHAT." Re-read that sentence, dude. THAT'S what. The catalyst for me not watching the second half of the season, by the way, is that I had a night class during it. I could've found the episodes online pretty easily but realized I didn't care anymore. They butchered all the characters. The dialogue has always been a strong suit of the show, and that was basically the only thing that remained up to par with the first two seasons. By the way, oisin5199, I AGREE that many of these problems were due to network tampering in an effort to retool the show. The network was what mandated that the show not have a season-long arc and I blame them for that just as much as I blame the writers for not coming up with a compelling alternative. I'm really not trying to be mean here; I imagine TV writing on a network schedule is hard as shit and they should be proud of the two great seasons of the show that they wrote. It's just that the third one sucked, and was disappointing and saddening. My advice to you guys is to give it a year or so, then look back at all three seasons more objectively. I'm guessing you'll realize the same thing.
June 6, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST
by Scramble Network
Okay... so, I had an idea... there are a number of problems with sending MARS bars. Its pretty expensive to send just one, meaning its unlikely they'll have piles of them sitting in the mailroom or something. The nuts thing only really worked because a vendor coordinated it and shipped them in bulk. We don't have that here, and its unlikely we could for an imported item like Mars bars. We need something that's cheap, that people can get their hands on quickly, that loads of people can ship out on short notice. I was just flipping through the season one DVD, and I thought: WHAT ABOUT CAMERA FILM? Veronica good with a camera, its relevant to a lot of plot points. And its something everyone could do, and pretty easily. You can do all kinds of creative stuff with it. I posted a little more about this over at my blog, Scramble Network, and I've got it up on Digg. I really think ALL the ideas have been great, but it just doesn't seem likely to me that, with this system and at that price, the Mars bar thing will work-- though huge props to everyone who has. We definitely need to all get behind something, though, in a big way, if there's any chance of saving the show.
June 6, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST
by Scramble Network
Another problem is apparently CW doesn't accept packages containing food, which those vendor shipments would clearly have marked. The message just won't get through. Here's the Digg Link: http://digg.com/television/SAVE_VERONICA_MARS_with_CAMERA_FILM
June 6, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST
That doesn't make any sense.
June 6, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST
They're running a half-page ad in the Hollywood Reporter on Thursday, I believe, and they have a couple of other ideas. It's not too late to get involved!
June 6, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST
by darth girlfriend
... is Amazon usually overpackages everything for that $6.99. They'll probably put the bar in a huge box with lots of bubble wrap and styro-peanuts. You could probably fill up UPN mail sacks pretty easily that way.
June 6, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST
<snip>We need something that's cheap, that people can get their hands on quickly, that loads of people can ship out on short notice.<snip> Marshmallows. They're not very dense, either, so shipping a large bag wouldn't cost too much. Though that won't work if the CW refuses food deliveries. :(
June 6, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST
but i'm sending a dollar
June 6, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST
by Scooter McGavin
Anything to get more seasons of Ronnie with or without the crew.
June 6, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST
I will try and send as many Mars Bars from the UK as I can:) They will probably all melt by the time they arrive, but that serves the CW right for cancelling the show in the first place!
June 6, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST
organization. We need to decide on what is being sent, because if a quarter send Mars bars, some bells, some film, the message is going to be muddled. I think that this MAY be possible as this is the CW we're dealing with, it's a new network, and they need a good reputation, badly. June 15th is soon though, so stuff needs to start happening yesterday.
June 6, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST
"Veronica Mars, you're a marshmallow".<p> I'd say do that- bags of marshmallows are infinitely cheaper than bags of nuts.
June 6, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST
I mean VM was on the CW. The best ratings it ever gets are like 5 million. THE BEST. If they were both on the same net, then you could compare them.
June 6, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST
How about snickerdoodle cookies? Veronica made them for Wallace at least once and they were talked about on many occasions...
June 6, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST
by Scramble Network
Marshmallows would be perfect, snickerdoodles would be great, too... but there's still this food thing. I don't have anything official on that, its just be said repeatedly over on VM boards at CW and at EW as though its been confirmed. So... I dunno.. I'd definitely be down for marshmallows though, God that's easy and you can send a TON of them. I agree though, whatever it is, its gotta be soon. The major sites all went with Mars bars, and I understand why, but damn, it'll be tough to get a lot of them out there. I did put in a note to the Amazon shop, suggesting that they set up a big bulk ordering page where everyone can contribute via paypal, then the total purchase for everybody gets shipped to CW. That's how they did it with Jericho nuts. Haven't heard back yet though.
June 6, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST
Veronica Mars, but I finally got around to watching the first season of Deadwood and was curious about a character on the show... turned out to be the Veronica Mars girl. If only Deadwood or Rome had some sort of major shipping campaign - though I think the only items to be sent for those two may be rather grisly. That and I kinda like the idea of 2 or 3 seasons and out. Keeps the quality consistent.
June 7, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST
by Scramble Network
Okay... so, I just got an email response from Sachin at The Indian Food Store, and I think we've figured out how to make the Mars bars campaign work!!! Here's the deal: I'm going to set up a page with a paypal link to the store. You can contribute however much you'd like. Then, the total contributions will purchase one BIG bulk order to send to the CW! This means the people who maybe couldn't afford the Amazon route can now give what they can, and ALL OF US will save on shipping. This store is really helpful, and excited to be part of the effort, which is so cool. Now we can really start piling up the mars bars, Jericho nut style.
June 7, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST
Is there a link to The Indian Food Store?
June 7, 2007, 1:40 a.m. CST
Someone should send Dawn Whatsherface pictures of her with targets around her head. You know like in that one episode. She'd put the show back on right quick. SAVE STUDIO 60
June 7, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST
by Scramble Network
http://theindianfoodstore.com/ Very nice people, support them! I've got the page all set up, just waiting now on the paypal link from them, and we'll be ready to go.
June 7, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST
by Red Dawn Don
She was raped after all. And canceling Veronica Mars is raping the viewers.
June 7, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST
Would a single or series of made for TV movies be an option? The creators of 'Alien Nation' kept that show going for several years with a handful of made for tv movies featuring the cast after the series had been cancelled.