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Yes, yes... I know, but I have one more chunk from HOSTEL 2 to share... Quint's interview with Eli Roth!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I know this happens sometimes. Sometimes a film will be completely overcovered on this site. It does happen, but it’s not as sinister as some make it out to be. For FIRST SNOW, Capone and I ended up arranging interviews at the same time and not even knowing it. The result was we had four or five interviews that went up with the cast and filmmakers that week. Here with HOSTEL, PART TWO the same thing happened. It didn’t help that there were two screenings of the film in AICN territory (Chicago for Capone and Austin for Harry, myself and the Austin gang). I thought for a few minutes about just repeating Capone’s questions, word for word. I wanted to see how long I could get away with it. That would have been pretty funny, but in the end I just wanted to talk up a few key points with Mr. Roth, mostly concerning the MPAA and current state and possible future of horror movies. And here’s our chat! (PS... The very first image is NSFW... don't say I didn't warn ya')



[That shot comes from a NYMag story, not my private folder]

Quint: You walking okay this morning? You had quite a whipping last night.

Eli Roth: Well it was fine, at first it was like they were joking and the lady was whipping me and you’re going “Haha, this is fun,” and then the girl comes out with cookie tray and she started whacking me. I’m like, “Hey, you’re going to break my tail bone. I have to sit on airplanes tomorrow…” [He laughs] Then it was like “Oww, I’m not kidding.” She just kept whacking and whacking harder… then the other girl with the whip started going, so then the two of them kind of did this sort of windmill. They really turned it on. I mean… it turned me on in the process. Yeah, they were really hitting me hard at the end.

[Kraken, photographer extraordinaire, points out a suspicious and familiar tattoo on Eli’s arm. Intern Muldoon, also in the room, chimes in asking if it’s real.]



Eli Roth: My tattoo? No no no. I wouldn’t be buried in a Jewish cemetery if it was real.

[Kraken then said it would be cool to include the temporary tattoos with the DVD]

Eli Roth: They did! HOSTEL ONE, and then they misprinted them and they came out this big [Eli holds up his hands to show the size – almost the size of a regular sheet of paper].

Quint: So it’s more like a chest tattoo?

Eli Roth: Yeah, it’s like it’d literally have to go all the way across your back. They were going to come out with the first one. That’s what I said; I wanted temporary tattoos for the DVDS… for the kids, so… It’s no big deal; hopefully they will do them the correct size this time.

Quint: So did you like the reaction last night?

Eli Roth: I was… yeah, I was thrilled.

Quint: Did it live up to the [Alamo] Drafthouse Standard?

Eli Roth: Oh yeah, I mean. You know it’s weird at the Drafthouse, they can be the best crowd in the world, but they can be tough critics too. You can either get people that are on your side or the bitter fanboys that are cracking jokes and hate everything, but the crowd last night was amazing and you know, the whole movie is a build up to that ending. You know, where as the last one there was more violence spread out, this is much more targeted strikes, but with more intensity. The reaction at the end, when people are just going fucking crazy, was awesome. It brought the house down, I was really happy. I mean it’s tough, everyone’s… there were very high expectations and you’ve got to meet those expectations and it’s tough to do kind of “new…” it’s like how do you give people what they want but also do something completely original? It’s really a difficult challenge to do, so I thought the reaction last night was terrific.

Quint: When I first heard the story described to me, to me I was hoping it wasn’t going to be the interesting story in the background, with the businessmen, and the foreground was a repeat of the first one, but with the girls. I was really happy to see last night, that it was a completely different structure. It wasn’t the same structure and same pacing…

Eli Roth: It’s a completely different structure and it’s a completely different point of view. This one, we are genuinely telling parallel stories and we leave our main (characters). We now have the luxury that we can leave our main characters essentially, for ten minutes at a time, and get involved in the lives of these business men and watch them, and then the girls and watch everyone slowly and slowly come together. I thought, you know, it’s going to be a big risk obviously leaving your main characters to introduce other main characters, who you’re supposed to empathize with and you’re supposed to like, even though they’re sick… they’re funny as hell and entertaining and enjoyable to watch. I thought if I could really make these guys likeable and really humanize them, then at the end when everyone is together I figured it would make the whole third act so much more tense when everyone is in this horrible place. Now that everyone knows what’s going on, we can get right into it. It’s not about the setup anymore. We dive in much quicker.

Quint: It’s also interesting who you choose to give the big character turnarounds to. I expected it with the girls, but not with the killers…

Eli Roth: Right and I don’t want to give away what happens, but everybody goes through some sort of character arc and the girls go through it in very different ways than the guys do, but you know, you can really see it most with Bijou [Phillips]. Where she’s like tough, sassy, cool, and confident and flirty, putting on some bubbly voice for the Italian guy, and by the end she’s just a scared screaming little girl. And Lauren [German] is kind of shy and sweet and really has to assert herself. With the guys, it was great… actors love to go nuts, so you take every actor in the film, all of them have that moment where they’re kind of losing their mind. Those are the moments that they live for and I thought they did such a great job. I thought they were all terrific in those moments. Richard [Burgi] and Roger [Bart] are just so God damn funny. I think Richard Burgi… I think he can do anything and I’ll just be entertained, even when he’s golfing and checking his (cell phone) and…“ that’s what I’m talking about!” Everything the guy does, I find so unbelievably amusing. And Roger, I think, has a good sympathetic quality. You’re really rooting for these guys to do the right thing by the time they get there.

Quint: I’d like to talk about the MPAA, because I was surprised to hear last night that they were okay to deal with. Maybe not pleasant, but…

Eli Roth: It is pleasant. I called the MPAA and… first the film comes back and they have comments. They’re like “OK, well we think in this version the film would be NC-17, but these are the areas why we think it pushes it into that particular rating. Do you wish to accept that rating?” And you don’t appeal right then, you say “OK, well what are the areas of concern?” and after you submit, that’s when I kind of start talking to them. You know, I had spoken to them on GRINDHOUSE and THANKSGIVING… or Quentin [Tarantino] or Robert [Rodriquez] had talked to them and I wrote a letter with telling them all the changes I did. And they saw that, you know? I had a great experience with them. They are very easy to work with, so when we talk about stuff I really listen to what they have to say and I really try to address it. You know, if you can really make an effort to address what their areas of concern are, they in turn make an effort to protect what you are trying to do. I think that when you take a combative approach with them, nobody wins. I think a lot of filmmakers instantly do that and I think the MPAA… they’re not out to ruin your movie or make it worse – they have a job to do. They are the referee essentially for the parents of America and you know, we had an interesting discussion. They said “You know, we got a lot of complaints from HOSTEL” and I said “Well… what other movie are they going to complain about? I mean if there is a film to complain about, it’s HOSTEL. People aren’t going to complain about HAPPY FEET,” and they go “Actually we got a lot of complaints about HAPPY FEET,” and I go, “That just goes to show that people will complain about anything and I’m sure there will be complaints about HOSTEL PART 2, but at least now people know what they’re in for.” I said, “Look, my fans that are going to see this are going back for more of what they specifically liked about the first one and a lot of them… they loved the violence in the first one, they love it. They love the gore.” I was like “That’s my stars guys. That’s all I have. I have to compete with George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Johnny Depp… you know… Toby Maguire and how am I going to compete with that? Well the way to compete with that is you have the great kill.” I was like, “I need that ending. I need it! That’s my movie star, it’s that.” And they said “You know what, we get it, we understand.” They know that I approached it intelligently when I was filming it. They know there was thought behind it and I had a great experience whereas in other countries… nobody sees it from my point of view, but from the filmmaker’s point of view, making a movie that is violent in Europe. A lot of the European territories, even with an 18 rating, they still won’t show the movie. I had no idea it was like that. I didn’t experience that at all with CABIN FEVER, because CABIN FEVER isn’t nearly as rough, but on HOSTEL 1, it was like “Your film might not play in Germany,” and luckily we got through, but now with HOSTEL 2, the German censors are upset about it and HOSTEL 1 never even came out in theaters in Japan, even with Tarantino’s name on it. It was that offensive to them. They think that HOSTEL 2 will be fine, but it was just having a Japanese girl with her face burned off… So there are weird things that other cultures react really strongly to that you can’t really predict, but the MPAA is the only system where you can actually have a discussion about it.

Quint: Is this a change in the MPAA since the shake up or whatever? Since they’ve come out and have decided to be more “filmmaker friendly?”

Eli Roth: Yeah, I think that Jack Valenti had a very particular… I think he set the whole system up, but he had a particular style and that style was keeping the anonymity, you know, keeping the people anonymous and keeping the filmmakers and the ratings board (separate, so) you didn’t know who these people were. The truth is, you talk to them on the phone and you know them. Like the person I talk to at the ratings board, I’ve known for years, so when I call the ratings board, it’s not like I call the MPAA. I talk to the same guy I talk to every time and he was really helpful in HOSTEL 1. I talked to him on HOSTEL, THANKSGIVING, and HOSTEL PART 2. It’s like, with Quentin, he deals with the same people, and so keeping them secret isn’t really… it’s not going to influence them. The fear was that you have influence over them, which you don’t. I think there are a lot of people there that want it as well, they want to talk to the filmmakers, because they really are a part of the film community, but it’s like they’re this part of the film community and they’re not allowed to have contact with anyone and I think that it frustrated a lot of people over there as much as it frustrated the filmmakers. With Valenti, that’s the way he wanted it. You know, it’s sort of like when communism… when there was glass roofs, there’s openness. That was the new policy under Gorbachev and that’s sort of what it’s like now. It’s a much more open place. You can’t just show up there, but still, I know a number of the raters over there they know me and they know that we can have a discussion where I’ll listen to what they say.

Quint: What do you think the future of horror is? I mean, this kind of horror always comes in waves and I don’t think torture horror’s going to last much longer. Obviously your next project (Stephen King’s CELL) is not going to be the same thing. Where do you think horror is going now?



Eli Roth: Well, I think that right now, there has been a kind of wave of films in the wake of HOSTEL and SAW, that are gruesome, really violent movies and I think that if you keep making great movies, people will come to see them, but I think there’s been a lot of crap out there. There have been a number of really bad horror films that just went out of their way to be extra gruesome and that was all they were selling the movie on. We had some great ones… I thought 28 WEEKS LATER was terrific. The market’s pretty flooded right now and it just depends on what the public appetite is. Honestly, it’s up to the public. If HOSTEL PART 2 does well, then you’ll get more films like it. If it doesn’t do well, then people are looking for an excuse to turn on horror… to go back to PG-13, non offensive safe horror movies. It’s all up to the public. I guarantee you there are a whole bunch of movies going into production like KNOCKED UP.

Quint: Yeah.

Eli Roth: But, people think “Oh, everybody wants to see romantic comedies,” and it’s like well actually Judd Apatow is a genius and everybody loves Seth Rogen and Paul Rudd is awesome. You know it’s Judd Apatow, but people will look at it and go “No, well everybody wants a funny romantic comedy about relationships” and they just want to copy the trend of something. That’s why we have PIRATES 3 and SPIDER-MAN 3 and SHREK 3… they’re not making them, because they think they’re better movies. They make them, because that’s what’s going to make money. I think that if the public appetite is still there and they come out and support HOSTEL PART 2, then it’ll keep the R rated horror going. HOSTEL PART 2 is very high profile, so if people don’t see it and support it, then it’ll be the excuse, the very reason why people won’t make the movies. They’ll be like “Ah, look at HOSTEL PART 2.” That’s another reason why I keep my costs so low, so the film’s guaranteed to make a profit. That speaks volumes to them. That makes a difference.

Quint: Now we have talked a little bit about the possible impact that Virginia Tech will have on not just this movie but horror in general, because I’m thinking back to the most violent-horrific shit that came out of the studio systems in terms of horror… Look back at THE EXORCIST or even the independent system, when we saw TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE hit in the ‘70s, we were coming out of a horrible war…

Eli Roth: It was all a reaction to Vietnam.

Quint: Exactly.

Eli Roth: I think… I genuinely think that the two issues are so separate. One has nothing to do with the other. I mean, Cho very clearly stated that the reason he did it was because of the Columbine kids… the year he moved to America, that was when Columbine was all over television, so you could much more easily blame the media. He called them martyrs and hero… it had nothing to do with movies…

Quint: I’m just saying in terms of reaction of the movie going audiences. Horror movies have generally been more successful in war-time.

Eli Roth: We’ll see. I think that with the public, it’s completely separate. I mean look at DISTURBIA, it was number 1 at the box office, even though it’s a much tamer film, it’s still called DISTURBIA and it’s a thriller and people still went to see it because they heard it was good. I believe if you make a great movie, people will come see it and I think that it helps. But like in the interview with Capone, with the soldiers in Iraq writing and telling me how popular HOSTEL is… I’m like “Why would you watch it after what you see?” and they love it. It allows them to scream. It’s the only time they’re allowed to be scared and show fear and I think that when people go to the movies on a Friday night that is the farthest thing on their mind.

Quint: Current events?

Eli Roth: Yeah, current events. They’re going to the movie specifically to tune that stuff out and have a fun time and I think that the key is to give them a great date movie, I mean, that’s the goal. That’s what I think HOSTEL PART 2 will be in the same way that I do think KNOCKED UP will be, it’s a different type of date movie, it’s not the sweet romantic type, but it’s the kind where you’re going to be grabbing your date’s hand and squeezing their arm and you know, you’re going to have your arms all over each other. It’s that kind of a date movie, it’s like a rollercoaster ride.

Quint: Cool, well yeah I guess the only other issue that I’d like to cover is the jump that you’re making as a filmmaker with your next project. CELL is your next movie, it’ll be the first movie that you’re dealing with someone else’s intellectual property. Is there any different way that you’re going to approach that?

Eli Roth: Well sure. I’ve read a lot of other interviews with other directors over the years… I know in that Stanley Kubrick book he talks about it a lot, why he adapted books and preferred to do it that way. I think the key is to personalize it. You’re not filming the book, you’re adapting the book. That’s the key, in the adaptation, take the elements of the book that really interest you and spark your creativity and imagination and expand on that and use that as a basis for the story. But I love Stephen King and thought it was a really cool idea. It’s one of those ideas where you go “That’s a really cool idea that would be an awesome movie.” Edgar Wright says “There are movies you love and movies you wish you had made” and if someone else did it I’d be like “Man, I wish I had done that movie, that would have been really cool.” Look, I’ve done 3 movies now which I’ve written… the first one I co-wrote, but these last two written and directed by and I’m very proud of them and I’ll continue to do that, but it’s also the first time I’m now in a position where I could adapt a Stephen King book. I love Stephen King, so it’s just one of those things that I’ve always wanted to do… one of those childhood dreams, to adapt a Stephen King story. It’s a much bigger film, it’s a much longer process, and it wouldn’t go nearly as fast as HOSTEL PART 2 did, but you know, I’ll need to get some sleep before (I start it). I don’t know, we’ll see how it is. I’ll let you know at the end of it. I talked to Quentin about it. Quentin didn’t like it with JACKIE BROWN. I think that there was a part of him… I think he loves JACKIE BROWN, but you know, you can see KILL BILL… he created his own universe and his own characters and I think he did it once and I don’t think he’ll adapt ever again, so you can only know… I mean I might do it and maybe have the best experience of my life doing it, so I’ll never know until I try.



And that’s our chat. I’m also going to use this as an excuse to give my basic thoughts on the movie. I’m uncomfortable writing a full review due to my closeness to the production. From my history with Eli and my set visit, etc. But if you want to know what I thought, I’ll say that Roger Bart and Heather Matarazzo steal the movie. Richard Bergi is great and so is Lauren German. The cast and how they work together is what makes this movie work for me. The gore is there. If you like gore, you’ll get it. But the characters, especially those of the businessmen, are real successes of this movie. I love Bart’s arc. It really is a companion piece to the first movie, not a rehash. I also must say I got a kick out of the Friday the 13th sequel beginning. Eighties slasher fans will know what I’m talking about. Alright, guys. Looks like a busy couple weeks for me. We have a ton of “final month of the Alamo” events and on top of that I’m interviewing half a dozen different people next week. Then I’m off to London for 5 days to interview the young cast of a particularly popular fantasy series and back again. I’ll have some free time in London, so London AICNers feel free to drop me an email… add on to all that the quickly approaching Comic-Con in July and my head’s already spinning. -Quint quint@aintitcool.com



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  • June 6, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    First?

    by fan291

    0_0

  • June 6, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Torture Porn should be put to rest

    by jimmy_009

    Enough already.

  • June 6, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    He needs to have that thing looked at

    by jimmy_009

    It's running a tad small.

  • June 6, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Shitstorm in 3, 2...

    by ROBRAM89

    Wait for it...

  • June 6, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    FAG!!!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    That'd be you, Eli.

  • June 6, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Why does he have so many moles?

    by lost.rules

    "Eli has AIDS? Oh, man that would be awesome." "Dude, you shouldn't joke about that. It's not cool." "Who's joking?"

  • June 6, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    You gotta be kidding me...

    by VladT

    Come on! Enough is enough.

  • June 6, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    they only made Shrek 3 for the money?

    by BadMrWonka

    christ, this guy IS a genius...

  • June 6, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    HARRY BANNED ME AMD DELETED MY POSTS!!!

    by Man_of_Stool

    Remember the Capone/Eli Roth interview talkback? The most interesting talkback for ages, in which I voiced my opinion towards Eli Roth, and many of you talkbackers agreed with me? The one in which I didn`t insult ANYONE, not Harry, not Eli, not my fellow talkbackers? Well, Harry deleted all my posts and banned me, so I had to come back with a slightly changed yet recognizable handle. Wow, Harry, Capone, Quint, Wyrm, you really DO love Eli`s movies, huh? But banning me for this is a real class act. Right on, guys. I´ll try and keep myself from saying what I think. Beware, talkbackers, this site has now officially become evil.

  • June 6, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    This historic film is still well covered here...

    by Man_of_Stool

    I love Eli Roth and his movies. And that tasteful photo makes me love him even more. HUG ELI!

  • June 6, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    What a crappy weekend for movies...

    by andrew coleman

    Oceans 13: Boring. Surf's Up: More like throw up in Shia's mouth and then kick him in the balls, fuck that movie. Hostel 2: Also known as Waste of Time 2(with more gore). So sad maybe I should go see Knocked up or Mr. Brooks again.

  • June 6, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Man of Stool

    by BenBraddock

    Yeah, I remember...I think... I also remember agreeing with you.. WTF?? That stinks.

  • June 6, 2007, 2 a.m. CST

    I Liked That Interview

    by Birdys Piano Teacher

    And I actually enjoyed both Hostels, as well as the Thanksgiving trailer. I just think that AICN shouldn't have reviewers critique their own friends' movies; that makes them about as useful as a Jeff Craig Sixty-Second Preview. Roth comes off well in the interview, though.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST

    What the hell gives with all the love for this dreck...

    by sith-vol

    ....Hostel was a useless piece of shit. Well judging from the pic that should not be at the head of the article...I understand the love AICN gives Eli Roth now....this site is truly slipping down the toilet.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    BenBraddock...

    by Man_of_Stool

    Thank you. Well, this just goes to show that if you DON`T like Eli`s movies,and you speak out in a matter that encourages others to react in a POSITIVE, CONSTRUCTIVE way, you WILL get banned here. In that talkback, the attitude towards HOSTEL was overwhelmingly bad. Harry doesn`t want anybody to see this.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:19 a.m. CST

    You guys are nothing but a bunch of fucking pussy...

    by bongo123

    crybabys, no seriously you are, you flood every fucking Eli TB with the same fucking shit like some sort of pg13 broken record, fucking wise up will you, ITS A FUCKING HORROR MOVIE, ITS MEANT TO BE GORY, SHOCKING AND FULL OF BLOOD AND MEANT TO MAKE YOU SQUIRM, go back to your fucking pg13 ghost movies you cunts, Hostel 2 is a fucking great movie, Eli is showing real talent progress with all 3 of his movie and i personally cant wait to see Cell... why dont the rest of you shut the fuck up, we know you cant take torture and blood, we know you think were sick (i think your fucking pussys but ehhh) and we know you hate Eli & Michael Bay and everyone knows you havent the first fucking clue about movies or how to make them or what sells.. cause folks Hostel 2 wouldnt of been made if it didnt have a fanbase and didnt make money, so you cunts are the odd fucking ones out

  • June 6, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Harry Knowles is now down with the Dark Side...

    by Man_of_Stool

    ...soon, everytime we state truthfully that Eli Roth sucks and Hostel sucks and Michael Bay sucks and Pearl Harbor was OVERWHELMINGLY bad(Harry loved it), he will just ban our asses. Nothing against your taste, Harold, but your behaviour? Utterly ridiculous.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Man of stool, why dont you fuck off... you sound

    by bongo123

    like that fucking moron from westboro church you dick... everythings fucking evil... ITS A MOVIE you twat not the coming of the anti-christ you fucking piece of work, as for banning you, fuck mate i wished they banned ip addresses then we wouldnt have to put up with you and the rest of these moron baptist fucks each and every talkback

  • June 6, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Why the term "torture porn" is holding AMERICA back

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'>I'll go so far as to say the term &quot;torture porn&quot; is holding us back as a people, because it helps curtail any intelligent discussion about violence in movies, or violence in society. This is because the words &quot;torture,&quot; and &quot;porn,&quot; illicit deep <span class=GramE>seeded,</span> emotional reactions in most people. To a greater extent, the word &quot;abortion,&quot; does the same thing. Is that a word that can be used with a group of people without it starting a fight? Pretty soon, what follows is a lot of &quot;Fuck this, and fuck that!&quot; And where does that get anyone? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'>Part of the fun of Horror films for me, has always been the debate (just like the one raging on these talkbacks), that can follow a good shock, or a film's failure to deliver it. At their best, stories allow us to examine a part of ourselves and talk about them.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'>Since that guy coined the term &quot;torture porn,&quot; the debate has deteriorated, if not been completely snuffed out. That's nothing to be proud of. It discredits the entire subject of violence in storytelling, and why there has been a real need for it in human society since the dawn of man. But how do you begin to discuss how you feel about it, if someone has already insinuating that anyone who likes the subject is either a sick serial killer, or a sex maniac, or both? It makes a position hard to hold, and puts a lot of peer pressure on people to agree that &quot;torture porn&quot; movies are bad, bad, bad, and they shouldn't even be made. With that argument, you can't even mention a classic like the original TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE. And that's another thing that bothers me about the journalists: they are presenting this &quot;subgenre&quot; as something new, and to me, it betrays how limited their education is. I sat through the &quot;dinner&quot; scene in TX CHAINSAW, and it's more gruesome, more graphic, and more violent to me, than anything in HOSTEL. It's done with great skill, with barely a use of special make-up effects, and in my opinion, Eli Roth is trying to achieve that kind of artistry, but he's falling short. Anyone who thinks his idea of what a &quot;shocking Horror flick&quot; <span class=GramE>is,</span> is ignoring movie history.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'>And I'll tell you, if there is one thing I dislike more than storytellers who think they are smarter than I am, it's critics who think they are smarter than I am. Like the dude who supposedly coined the phrase &quot;torture porn.&quot; In this case, I think we're dealing with an individual whose outlook on the world is desperately repressed, and poorly informed, and with two words designed to sell articles, he is repressing us all. He's getting help from other average folk who can't think for themselves, too, and I got beef with that kind as well!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'>I'll resist this kind of ignorance by never using the term to describe Horror films. The great ones deserve a better audience, and I aim to be a part of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

  • June 6, 2007, 2:56 a.m. CST

    What a douche

    by Thick McRunFast

    I can't believe you people worship this moron. And those of you that prefer this "torture porn" (sorry, it's an accurate phrase) to actual porn (or, on a really good night, actual sex) is sad.

  • June 6, 2007, 3:01 a.m. CST

    I got an idea

    by chubb rock

    why don't you post a survey to see how many people care enough about this guy's crappy work to get the coverage it does. it seems like 99% of the posts on the Hostel talkbacks are people saying nothing but bad things about these movies. and I know the talkbacks are mostly naysayers BUT these ones seem overwhelmingly anti-Hostel. And the interviews are making people like Eli Roth less, I wouldn't have even thought that possible. Seriously, this site is like Fox News with the Republican Party when it comes to Eli Roth.

  • June 6, 2007, 3:02 a.m. CST

    List of Torture Porn films

    by chubb rock

    here it begins: Hostel Hostel 2 Turistas Passion of the Christ

  • June 6, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Stop with the torture porn discussion and...

    by VladT

    ...please get back to how much Eli Roth sucks as a director. Because that's what it's all about: Eli Roth sucking. I don't care about the gore and torture as moral issues, though I can see where some of you are coming from. What's _really_ immoral in my opinion is a website promoting an untalented hack, because he's the protégé of the talented hack whose name gets top billing as a producer in this piece of crap sequel to a piece of crap film. In the end, it's all about pleasing Quentin.

  • June 6, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    HUGE COCK.......The site, not the picture..

    by jack Bauer

    Has the entire team taken it up the ass from Eli's SFX cock, the constant going on about people who are 'mates' of the site stinks a tad. Yes, we know you all meet 'the stars' but sometimes the team comes across a little arse licking / 'look at me I know XYZ'. Just give us the NEWS guys, we don't need to know what great pals you are with xyz, if you do that then most will just take your previews / reviews as old pals act stuff. As for the picture, well all you needed to disgust me more was Harry stradled on his todger and Quentin (your best buddy) around the back for that best mates family album pic.

  • June 6, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    That picture says it all really.

    by TheBigDogg

    "Intelligence he brings to the genre"? Come on guys. Seriously.

  • June 6, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST

    A search for "torture porn" on Wikipedia

    by Thick McRunFast

    ...redirects you to "splatter film", which is sad - because as near as I can tell, the difference between splatter films and torture porn is that the victim is kept alive as long as possible in torture porn, not dispatched quickly in creative and/or messy ways, like in splatter. The line's been crossed from frights into sadism, and boasting (like Eli Douche did in another AICN interview) that soldiers in Iraq are "enjoying" his films is not a good sign. It's been reported they're also picking up torture techniques from "24", for real. Still feeling magnanimous, Eli?

  • June 6, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    That first BW pic is how Eli really sees himself...

    by Negative Man

    <p>...as in, he thinks he has balls. so, really, 'nuff said. Subovon, you tried real hard with your argument, but you sound like a 20-something in a film class type. Maybe read a Grimm's tale or two, the real stories that would put Eli to shame, and get back to us. At this point, you sound like a kid who hasn't read H.G. Wells or seen a Hitchcock movie. Eli is FAAAAAAAR from 'artistry'. Unless you're German or Japanese and like to be pissed on because you lost a war. Seriously! What's up with their porn?</p><p>And, hint to all future film makers, everyone who has seen your film (Note to you Subovon) is a critic! And being the local jackass, philistine, paying my hard money to see a movie-type...I think Eli is a total hack! It seems many here feel the same way as well.</p><p>And bongo123, I don't mind gore...as long as there is a PLOT!!! Stranger in strange land falling into a strange situation, is not a damn story! It's a basic idea, the follow through is where the cop out comes in unless you have TALENT as a storyteller! Eli doesn't, hence so many here thinks he's the second coming of the Holy Craptacular!</p><p>Seriously, this is one guy, that unless you are being paid for (I'm looking at EVERYONE at AICN), I can't understand why you'd watch this pricks movies. He is so the American Uwe Boll! The only way you can tell the difference between the two's movies is that some had more blood than the others. They both produce the equal amount of crap, but one poops it slightly more 'artistically'.</p><p>Face it, Eli is an asshole. Ed Wood had more visionary ideas for low budget movies.</P>

  • June 6, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST

    THE TATTOO LINE...

    by The Real MiraJeff

    ...cracked me up. Eli, I was born in Newton. I know where you came from. We're both chosen people. I can't blame Intern Muldoon for asking about its authenticity, because how is he supposed to know about Jewish law, I just thought it was funny Eli ROTH would ever be asked if he had a tattoo. That'd be like asking Gandhi if he was ever 'full.' They don't even make jokes about tattoos in Newton. Hey, maybe our ancestors' plots are even in the same cemetery. How creepy/cool would that be, to be buried near a famous horror director? People would make pilgrimages to visit and put bones on your tombstone. It doesn't get better than that, right? By the way, your fake cock looks like Rant Casey's after a spider bite. Good times! Can't wait for Cell, man, but please, pretty please, don't remake The Bad Seed. Where are you gonna find another Patty McCormack? It'd be one of the ultimate casting challenges.

  • June 6, 2007, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Wow, Negative Man

    by TheBigDogg

    I had never made that porn/war loss connection before. You could be on to something there.

  • June 6, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST

    That's some serious fellating there, MiraJeff

    by Thick McRunFast

    I guess it beats getting your ass beat, eh?

  • June 6, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST

    He really seems to think he's funny.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    And, sadly and pathetically, there are some who will think so, too.

  • June 6, 2007, 4:41 a.m. CST

    You people make me sick!

    by DamnYouMB

    You little cunts make me want to vomit. What exactly is the point of coming to a site just to bitch and fucking complain? You know these guys generally like Eli Roth and his movies. Why did you fucks think it would be any different with Hostel 2? You guys can not be serious. I can only speak for myself in this matter but as a grown up, I can honestly say that when I'm in a situation I don't like, or in a situation that makes me uncomfortable, I remove myself from it. If you guys don't like what someone has said in the past (especially more than a few times), don't come to this site anymore. Because I promise you guys will not see me running into any houses that are on fire. Why not? Because I know if I run in, I will get burned. I prefer to keep myself from annoying, irritating, harmful, dangerous situations.. and so on. But you douches continue to come here only to insult the people who keep this site up and running. It's bad enough you guys do that, but then some of you feel the need to insult Harry and others personally because their opinions differ from yours. You will have to deal with different opinions for the rest of your lives. It makes us part of who we are to be an individual. Are you people happy to be part of the flock/herd? I know I'm not. I haven't always agreed with the guys who run this site, but that doesn't mean I hate them and want to curse them out and make them upset. As I said at the beginning, you guys make me sick.

  • June 6, 2007, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Subovon - riposte!

    by spud mcspud

    Subovon: "I'll go so far as to say the term "torture porn" is holding us back as a people, because it helps curtail any intelligent discussion about violence in movies, or violence in society. This is because the words "torture," and "porn," illicit deep seeded, emotional reactions in most people. To a greater extent, the word "abortion," does the same thing. Is that a word that can be used with a group of people without it starting a fight? Pretty soon, what follows is a lot of "Fuck this, and fuck that!" And where does that get anyone?"<P> You know, Subovon, I think you missed the point there. Isn't the point of torture porn to elicit a deep-seeded emotional reaction, be it disgust, revulsion, horror, fear, or (God help us) excitement and/or lust? And if it is, then why is it suddenly redundant to discuss it in emotional terms? Come ON!<P> As for the abortion thing, same difference. It is an act that carries huge emotional tolls: guilt, horror, fear, regret, mourning, as well as (sometimes) relief, elation, and gratitude. You can talk emotionally about a subject and remain intelligent about it. But I can see how you would think this wasn't possible from a large percentage of these posts on these last few Hostel TBs. Hang in there Sub, this is the best ongoing TB conversation I've had in ages - even though, as a Roth hater, I apparently "suck dicks" (thank you for that, Spaz2K).<P> Actually, I think Spazatronic 2000 is only jealous because I'm not sucking HIS dick. But whatever.

  • June 6, 2007, 4:46 a.m. CST

    It's not over...

    by Mr Gorilla

    We've still got to read Harry's review of this gore-fest for perverts.

  • June 6, 2007, 4:51 a.m. CST

    DamnYouMB

    by TheBigDogg

    Bitch and complain? Isn't that what you're doing? These Roth talkbacks are on fire. You ran in. Didn't take your own advice. The amount of Hostel 2 coverage on this site has gone beyond ridiculous and people don't like it. You're free to call it herd mentality if you like but that's just an easy way to dismiss what others would simply call the dominant viewpoint.

  • June 6, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    DamnYouMB

    by spud mcspud

    And here's me thinking that differences in opinions are what keep us coming back to talkbacks. Obviously you think this talkback should be some sicko saying "HOSTEL FUCKING ROOOOOOOOOLS!!!" and the following 400 posts all saying "Yeah! Hostel rooools!!!". Fucking fool.

  • June 6, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Spoilers are not the only things...

    by Woofski

    ... that require warnings. If it's not too much trouble, do you think that you could warn people that there are photos of giant prosthetic cocks in your articles? Some of us are at work...

  • June 6, 2007, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Eli's Giant Cock

    by spud mcspud

    Nowhere near enough blood. Maybe he should tie it off with rope and cut it off, then fry it, and put the film on the net. Oh shit, someone thought of that.<P> As if we didn't have enough evidence that sexual thrills and torture / murder aren't totally intertwined in roth's sick flicks...

  • June 6, 2007, 4:59 a.m. CST

    44th!

    by spud mcspud

    FUCK HOSTEL, heh heh. Wanted to stop the serious discussions there for a moment.<P> Seriously, still waiting for an answer. Why do you fans enjoy these movies? Discuss.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Prime examples...

    by DamnYouMB

    I have already said that I do not mind someone having a difference of opinion. What bothers me is when shithead people think because Harry or someone else on this site has a different opinion, it somehow gives them the right to personally insult the person they do not agree with. I don't know how much clearer I could have been. Why don't you people try reading my posts in their entirety before responding.. that would make things tons easier.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Oh, Eli you're so funny....

    by Boba Fat

    I wish I could be buried next to you or something and surely that cocks not fake, can't be?

  • June 6, 2007, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Fuck off.

    by C Legion

    Seriously, you're putting me off coming to this site.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    DamnYouMB

    by TheBigDogg

    There you go again not following your own advice. Your own post was riddled with insults aimed at those you don't agree with.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:19 a.m. CST

    DamnYouMB... Pot, kettle, black!

    by spud mcspud

    "You little cunts make me want to vomit." - DamnYouMB, direct quote.<P> "What bothers me is when shithead people think because Harry or someone else on this site has a different opinion, it somehow gives them the right to personally insult the person they do not agree with." - DamnYouMB, direct quote.<P> You absolute fucking hypocrite! You are HILARIOUS! Ahahahahahaaaaaa!<P> QED - We can never take anything further you say at all seriously. What a complete moron. do you even READ your own posts before you post them?!?!?

  • June 6, 2007, 5:23 a.m. CST

    The difference is....

    by DamnYouMB

    I don't insult innocent people. Harry and the people from this site are pretty much innocent. You, on the other hand, come here to pick fights and get attention. I hardly ever post. I usually come here to read and have fun, but this week has been nothing but an influx of people insulting others over differences of opinion. I just got sick of it and decided to post my feelings on the matter.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by DamnYouMB

    I really shouldn't have to keep explaining myself but, what the hell. Did anything I say make you feel bad? Did I attack your weight, religion, family, intelligence and so on? NO! I said fucks, shithead, cunts, and douches. That's it. I didn't say anything out of this desperate craving for attention or a heated response. I said what I said to make a point. There is a difference between what I did and personally attacking someone. Also, I did not mention anyone by name or any other designation. How personal can what I said really be? I mean come on.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Spazatronic 2000

    by spud mcspud

    So I'm a "dumbshit pansy" who "can't tell the difference from watching torture in a scary movie and actual real torture". What scares me are the Marines who apparently love watching this stuff before going out on missions (read yesterday's TB), and the geniuses at Guantanamo Bay who are apparently inspired by the torture scenes in, for example, 24. You think this shit doesn't have consequences? Think again. America is using torture in the arena of war more than it ever has, there's international outrage all over the world about widespread abuses of human rights and the USA's complete ignoring of the Geneva Convention, and it all dovetails neatly with a rise in sick torture porn movies. Coincidence? Might be, but a mighty coincidental one. People with a capacity to ACTUALLY HURT PEOPLE are enjoying these movies. They may actually be getting ideas from them. Doesn't that scare you, even a little?<P> I'm not demanding an explanation of why you enjoy these movies, I just genuinely want to understand what I'm missing out on by NOT enjoying them. You say it isn't rocket science - so what is the enjoyment factor for you? I understand you can't talk for eveyrone who loves these films, but what's your take?<P> And as for taking these films seriously as art - in response to a lot of intelligent, well thought out criticism of them over the last few days, Roth went and got spanked on stage. Well, there's the intelligent riposte I expected from Roth. Now I expect you to call me a traitor to the west, a goddamned commie pinko gay liberal leftie faggot who sucks dick all day, rather than effortlessly shooting down your lame-ass retorts every few minutes.<P> And I'M the dumbass? For fuck's sake.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:40 a.m. CST

    And before the screaming starts...

    by spud mcspud

    No, I'm not against the troops (who under the stress they're under need some form of relief) or against anyone defending against Al Quadea or any other fundamentalist threat (God knows they make more torture porn than Roth, only it's real and ends up on BangedUp too often). What I'm saying is that this stuff DOES cause people to cross lines that shouldn't be crossed. And if we want to tell other people that we are morally superior to them, then we should act like it. Torture doesn't elicit trustworthy information. It just makes the victim say ANYTHING to get the torture to stop. We figured that out in WW2, for crying out loud. These movies are popularising the idea of torture again - for entertainment, as a combat tool, for whatever. All torture does is inflict pain and excite sadists. Nothing else.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST

    :D :D :D

    by DamnYouMB

    Now I expect you to call me a traitor to the west, a goddamned commie pinko gay liberal leftie faggot who sucks dick all day, rather than effortlessly shooting down your lame-ass retorts every few minutes. That made me roffle.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST

    DamnYouMB - Well played

    by spud mcspud

    Fair dos, MB - you got pulled into a screaming match, It happens to us all. I AM directing these insults at Roth, because in making a movie he is putting a piece of work out there to be judged by the viewers, of which I am one. Fair enough - he's used to this by now. Do I think he gives a shit about my opinion? No. But it's good to have a constructive conversation with another intelligent person with differing views to me, just to see it from their point of view. Unfortunately, in this case, I'm still none the wiser as to what people really get out of these movies.<P> And then there's Spazatronic 2000 - the antithesis of intelligent conversation.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST

    I really cant stand Eli Roth

    by Kiriyama Kazuo

    To me he sums up everything that is wrong with modern horror.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:47 a.m. CST

    So, MiraJeff, LMU, USC or UCLA?

    by Lenny Nero

    I never got to ask in the last talkback we conversed within. marcdom7.blogspot.com

  • June 6, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by DamnYouMB

    I hated the first one with a passion. The torture and sex served no purpose. The guys got exactly what the deserved. I loved seeing them get tortured because they were the sort of guys who gave me hell in high school and I guess it was a relief to see them get it good! Other than that, the movie really really was shit. Now, I see number two and it managed to surprise me with plot twists and fine acting. No movie has been able to do this in a long long time. H2 is leaps and bounds more mature than its predecessor. I promise it's not the same thing. Ok, I am sleep deprived. It is five hours past my bedtime. Have fun ;-)

  • June 6, 2007, 5:56 a.m. CST

    DamnYouMB - Sleep well...

    by spud mcspud

    .. though I know I won't after seeing Eli's giant cock!<P> Let's agree to disagree, and we're all better people for it. See, other Talkbackers, this is how it's done. MB and I are mates again.<P> I see your point about hating the guys in H1 - I felt the same watching the jocks etc get it in the Elm St movies, that's what made you root for Freddy in all the sequels. That I get. But not in the HOSTEL movies.<P> But still, good talking to you. Now where's that Spaz2K?!?!? >:p

  • June 6, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Oh, that;s alright then

    by spud mcspud

    So these traumatised troops already see real-life gore all day, that means they should watch more for fun? Yeah, that makes sound psychological sense. That's why so many of these poor guys come back from active duty and end up killing themselves - because it's absolutely fine to expose yourself to these horrors. For fuck's sake!<P> The word is DESENSITIZATION, Spaz. Go look it up. The troops don't need more horror, they need some time away from it. And the world of professional psychology definitely doesn't need you. Unless it's Dr Phil - go over there and feel free to take a drill and some duct tape ;p

  • June 6, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    This is officially sick.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    One more like that and I'm a goner - or better: I quit.<p>This is really the worst thing I ever experienced on AICN. Have you guys lost your mind or WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU??? DAMMIT.

  • June 6, 2007, 6:18 a.m. CST

    eli roth is a talentless hack

    by THEE Miracleman

    and this site ass kissing to him shows how desperate it is. you think that nasty pic is gonna get you respect in hollyWOOD? 5 years from now..."Eli who?"

  • June 6, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    THEE Miracleman

    by Zadrock

    you sir, are an idiot. Five years from now Roth will be working on his next project and you will still be spewing how SAW 6 is better than the original.

  • June 6, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST

    The old "movies reflect life" argument

    by spud mcspud

    I don't have to censor stuff for the troops... their own government have done that for them. Or haven't you heard about the ban on troops blogging? Don't want the world to know how discontent or endangered they are, do we?<P> The troops deserve better than that.<P> The catharsis argument works to a point. I just think that the link between the rise in torture porn movies and the rise in torture used as a tool for extracting information by the US is an interesting, and potentially scary, link. Like I said, people with the opportunity to ACTUALLY HURT people are wtaching these movies. Do I believe that watching Elm St means someone will go Freddy and kill people? Maybe. Probably not. But it's easier to tie a guy to a chair and drill him to death than to make someone levitate up a wall, across a ceiling, and hack them to death in mid air while invisible. Fantasy is fantasy. While HOSTEL is fiction, it doesn't look or feel fictional - that's the point of these movies. The original TCM was designed to look and feel real. Ditto CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST. And they are all the more powerful for it. Twenty five, thirty years on from these movies first surfacing, society in the West is way more violent and less safe. Coincidence? A highly coincidental one, if so. You can't keep denying these links. Do I think these movies should be banned? I don't know. I'd be happier about the HOSTEL movies if the kills didn't look as if they could be actual murders downloaded from YouTube. But they do look like that. See what I'm saying? In the SAW movies - which are repulsive enough - at least the ADD editing, weird-ass green lighting and stylistic camera movements give you enough distance to feel comfortable in the fact that they're fiction. HOSTEL blurs that line. Why would you want to feel, when watching a movie, that it JUST MIGHT BE real? What's the attraction of that? I've been exposed to "snuff" clips on the net before (by so-called mates) and without exception been very distressed by all of them. Where's the enjoyment in watching real death? Where's the enjoyment in watching movies that try to emulate movies that show real death? Isn't fantasy death enough for you?<P> What are the answers? Over to you, spaz2K.

  • June 6, 2007, 6:31 a.m. CST

    thank god

    by justin s

    I almost thought I wouldn't get my daily dose of Eli Roth news. whew. never did like Hostel. too rothy.

  • June 6, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    man_of_stool

    by paragraphs

    i agree with some of your sentiments on eli roth...but you also tried to get the talkback to post 2,000 FUCK ELI ROTH subjects in a row or whatever. how can you say that is not insulting? Up until that point the discussion had been well reasoned and interesting (including the stuff you wrote.) But at that point, you essentially "ended" the TB and became childish. Harry (or whoever) was perfectly justified in banning you and you're coming off as a whiner. Bottom line, you initially appeared intelligent and articulate, but now I think you are just trolling for attention.

  • June 6, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    PS. you stay classy AICN.

    by paragraphs

    the cock picture isn't a good move. i'm sure people read this site at work. a NSFW tag or a blurred out pic where if you clicked on it would pop up would've been much better.

  • June 6, 2007, 7:25 a.m. CST

    HOSTEL 2 WAS GREAT

    by cdp

    See it and make up your own minds.

  • June 6, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    HOSTEL 2 WAS SHIT

    by TheHorror

    You shouldn't go see it and save yourself 7 bucks!

  • June 6, 2007, 8 a.m. CST

    Impartiality...Don't lose it...

    by jack Bauer

    What I love about AICN is the fact that you get a myriad of views, some not worth the time spent sending but its a great wall of views. The problem is that the site has been caught out a few times over it's loaded reviews and articles which pisses the masses off. it's fine for the readers to have a 360 degree view of a person, film or whatever but with a site that's so read and trusted the main authors should NOT be playing from a loaded deck. If you are seen to be basically stroking the nuts of a writer / director etc it just runs the whole idea of the site down. The Eli Roth nonsense is just of the wall in its 'sucking up-ness' and that picture was a disgrace as I was reading the article just before my 7yr old went to school and that's not a sight I wanted her to see, either spoiler it or don't do it.

  • June 6, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Hostel was very frustrating film.

    by fish tacos

    I am very forgiving of any film's flaws, I truly want to enjoy every movie I watch. But I couldn't believe how bad the story, writing and directing in Hostel was. The only other Horror movie that I've seen in the past few years that I had a hard time sitting through was 'House of the Dead'. And that was almost better due to it being so unintentionally funny.<br> <br>All that being said, I'm still curious to see Hostel 2.

  • June 6, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ...

    by Tourist

    It's a fucking movie. I know you hate Roth, I don't fault you for it, but jesus, enough with the Fundamentalist Book Burning shit already. Torture Porn? What the fuck is wrong with you? Hostel barely even scraped in as a horror movie, having alot more in common with other "Torture Porn" epics like Die Hard or Lethal Weapon. What kind of evil, child raping, not indicating when turning sociopath could possibly enjoy watching Bruce Willis pull glass from his feet, or the prolonged shots of Jesus Gibson in mental anguish over the loss of yet another girlfriend, or getting his nipples electrocuted by some south east asian dude. You people ARE fucking cry baby pansies. How much longer do we have to hear this Devil/Movies/Video Games/Heavy Metal/Rap Music/Cleavage In Perfume Billboards caused subject A to commit offence B against person C. Cause and effect may be actual, but personal resposibility and liberty come first. Also, I have to ask, what the fuck are you doing here? This a site largely devoted to geekdom. Sure it covers almost every avenue of the film world, but its heavily skewered towards Geek niche's. You know, Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Cult flicks...Horror flicks. If you don't like horror movies, or exploitation flicks, or off the beaten path motion pictures (of which Hostel is a very tame, in both depiction and idealogy example) why do you come here? Would you not be more comfortable elsewhere, like Perez Hilton? Does Entertainment Weekly have a website? You could check out Christian Spotlight On Movies. It has a handy Moral Offensiveness meter for each review. Faggots.

  • June 6, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Roth. Cannot. Direct.

    by Derrida77

    The guy couldn't even direct traffic.

  • June 6, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Tourist

    by spud mcspud

    Are you saying that Lethal Weapon and Die Hard are as realistic as Hostel? Come ON!!<P> There's a world of difference. If you're gonna do torture porn, at least give the distance between making a documentary and making it fictional. My argument is that Hostel is too realistic, ergo it excites the real sickos. And the acting & script were shit. But all the work seemed to go into the torture scenes. Hardly the case with Lethal Weapon - I doubt in reality anyone could snap a guy's neck with his feet after the electric shocks Mel took in that scene, but it was so OTT as to be almost cartoonish. See also Starship Troopers: great fun as OTT as it was, but make that a documentary style, hyper-realstic movie, and it'd freak me the fuck out. The tongue in cheek is necessary. It's the style that's at fault, not the content.<P> And we're still calling those who disagree with you gay? Dear oh dear. Duckie.

  • June 6, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Tourist

    by Clonetrooper

    I don't particularly care for the term "torture porn" either, but you're clearly full of shit if you're trying to say that the violent images in Die Hard and Lethal Weapon are just as bad as Hostel. In Lethal Weapon, Gibson is electrocuted, which is certainly painful, but not particularly graphic or gory. As for Die Hard, the one scene of him pulling glass out of his feet isn't nearly as bad as watching someone use drills or other torture devices on a restrained victim. And to compare the two is straight up bullshit. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that horror movies with graphic violence are "evil" or "depraved", but they're certainly a notch higher than Late 80's Early 90's Action movies on the "Senseless Violence Scale." By the way, if you really wanted to compare the violence in Hostel or other torture heavy horror movies with a more mainstream film, I would've gone with Marathon Man. The torture scene in Marathon Man is TEN TIMES scarier than any of this Hostel, Saw, Wolf Creek bullshit. Cause that's your fucking teeth man!

  • June 6, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Man...I just don't know...

    by Dominic-Vobiscum

    I disliked Roth for a while without really reading/hearing anything lengthy he had to say other than tooting his own horn about being the second coming of horror. I've never seen Cabin Fever or either Hostel so I refuse to judge either. And I do feel that intense disturbing violence can serve a valid and necessary point in film. And I DO think that he intended there to be a very clear subtext to the violence in Hostel I & II, even if he wasn't capable of pulling it off. I don't consider something "torture porn" unless it's either sexualized violence or just straight up violence without context or subtext. Like Passion of the Christ. That was torture porn in a nutshell. So just by attempting to frame his violence with some subtext discounts the films being "torture porn". And really, I found myself agreeing with a lot of the other points Roth made in both interviews. But then I gotta see (for no apparent reason) that picture at the top of the article. And I'm right back to square fucking one. Good job, Eli.

  • June 6, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    ALSO, I'm sick of hearing about Hostel 2

    by Clonetrooper

    I understand that you guys are really psyched for it, but the coverage is a little heavy, don't ya think?

  • June 6, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    No more Hostel 2 please

    by Olowyn

    Every darn day I look at this site it is another Hostel 2 article. How much is AICN getting paid to do this advertising? I can't believe it but AINC has become a plant!

  • June 6, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    fuck hostel 2

    by El Borak

    there i finally said it.

  • June 6, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    sorry but hostel 2 sucked

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    no spoilers but they dropped the ball in my opinion with the first kill ... i would not have done that, and even though the ads say suprise ending, there is no suprise just a bit fucked up over all not as good as the first ....

  • June 6, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    what the fuck?

    by El Borak

    what in the fuckin' hell has happened to this site?

  • June 6, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    OK, now I'm officially sick & tired of this whole thing

    by BenBraddock

    I wish I'd never heard of "Hostel", torture porn or Eli Roth. ZZZZZZZZ... I still think most of you fans are juvenille sickos though.

  • June 6, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Put the NSFW warning BEFORE we click the link

    by Movietool

    Seriously, how much brain power does it take to figure out that a NSFW warning is useless if it happens AFTER THE PICTURE HAS ALREADY BEEN DOWNLOADED!

  • June 6, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Spudd...

    by Tourist

    You, boy, are warped. You dislike it because it's too realistic? I've watched a number of real murder and torture videos, and trust me, there's nothing in Hostel that remotely approaches them. In fact, there's nothing in hostel that even aims for realism. The violence in the film is as goofy and cartoony as anything in the afore mentioned action films. It's a survival horror flick. It's a cool idea for a horror movie, and I thought it was well done. The parrallel between the whores, the lead character's confusion over his sexuality, etc. All alot more interesting than the inane junk in most horror films of late. But if its the style that offends you, what can I say? Your either a confused or shelterd young man. Hostel exsists on the same plane of reality as Hollywoods other violence for entertainment offerings. Be they Rambo, Texas Chainsaw Massacre or Saving Private Ryan. If the two boys went to Slovakia, and merely lost their passports, or had their wallets stolen by hookers, would anyone be interested in seeing the film?

  • June 6, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    ok so sylar from heroes made a bad movie ....

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    so what get over it, on to the next

  • June 6, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Oh and,

    by Tourist

    I thought the performances were good. From the blonde kid to the nutso business man. Alot better than can be expected from most low budget horror. Also, I'm not calling those I disagree with gay. I'm calling you spinless turds faggots. Big difference. Seriously dude, expand your cinematic horizons beyond the new release shelf at blockbuster, or even turn on the news once in awhile. Sure, the big bad world might scare you a little at first, but it will also stop you wetting your pants at the site of blood in a film.

  • June 6, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    FUCK HOSTEL

    by Man_of_Stool

    That is all...

  • June 6, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Bannig us for hating HOSTEL and showing huge cocks?

    by Man_of_Stool

    Yup, you have lost it. Cocktimus Prime is gone too, by the way. AICN has never been this un-geeky and fascist.

  • June 6, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Welcome To...

    by Rebeck3

    AintitRoth.com

  • June 6, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Boll > Roth

    by Atticus Finch

    'Nuff said.

  • June 6, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Boll > Crap > Roth

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...

  • June 6, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Loved the opening to Friday the 13th part 2

    by DarthTarter

    What a great scene. You just do NOT get to kill Jason's momma without recourse.

  • June 6, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    BORING

    by lopan

    interview was boring, eli roth is boring, so-called "torture porn" is boring, arguing about the merits or problems with "torture porn" is boring, reading these talkbacks are boring, bitching about AICN selling out is boring, etc. hostel 2 exists. it blows. deal with it. these kinds of movies are super cheap and super profitable and they aren't going anywhere, and their existence is not contributing to the downfall of life as we know it, they're just not that important. i'm not a fan of the whole sadism-torture thing, but who cares, let the dude make his movies, however terrible they are, and go on with your life.

  • June 6, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Yet another Eli Roth article?

    by tehgreekhammer

    Wow Harry, you are such a little bitch ass, cum dumpster. 7 freakin articles on Eli Roth and his lame wannabee attempts at horror ovies gets 7 articles on this site. But Danny Boyles 28 weeks later film gets like one or two? (ps I know Boyle didnt direct Weeks but u know what i mean) <p> Don Murphy was right about you all along. You really are a worthless turd. I cant believe I actually wasted time going over there to defend you and this site, not too long ago. What a waste of my fucking time. Defending a loser fucktard with huge titties, who does absolutely nothing at all except shit on his ass eating breakfast nachos @ 1pm. I cant imagine the horrible trainwreck of a life you would be living if this site hadnt taken off in popularity. Can you imagine what life for you would have been like if you needed to rely on an actual skill or creativity? Maybe you could have turned into a video store clerk or maybe a movie theater employee working for minimum wage? Thats about it though. I hope you say a little prayer at night for your tiny bit of good fortune in an otherwise pitiful life. <p> I guess the only way you get to sleep at night is thinking about your 7000 myspace friends after furiously masturbating to some obscure german horror movie thats only available on Betamax while looking at your naked picture of Eli that Im sure is in a folder on your desktop. <p> Don Murphy was right about you Harry. And you know what? Ban me if that makes you feel any better. Because i wont take the time out of my life here in NY to come back to this p.o.s. and create yet another screen name. <p> good day whore.

  • June 6, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Meh

    by That Reilly Monster

    Said it in a previous TB (there have been so many on this topic), it's Harry's site and he has the right to fellate whoever he wishes as often as he wishes. Personally I didn't like HOSTEL, not because of "torture porn," which I think is becoming a straw man for the rabid defenders of Eli's movies, but because I don't think he's a particularly good writer or director. He's not the worst out there, but I don't feel a compelling need to go see his movies, either. These TBs, however, are pure gold.<br><br>HOWEVER, I have to post this link, will probably get banned for it but whatever. I've been a lurker for a loooong time and can happily go back to lurking again. As I recall when this first came out it was none too popular around here, but this week it seems more appropriate than ever.<br> http://tinyurl.com/2gzgak

  • June 6, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Been thinking about Cabin Fever vs. Hostel characters

    by DarthTarter

    Seems to me, when I think back on it, that the characters in CF were just as much a bunch of jerkfaces as those in Hostel. When the movie started, we assume that Ryder Strong's character Paul was gonna be the typical 'horror movie hero' and would at some point save Jordan Ladd's Karen and escape and all would be well even though their friends all die. Usual horror movie fare. <br> BUT Eli threw a curveball at us, when we find Paul be a sicko that would finger a sick girl, watch a lady undress when his friends are dying, and bang his friends girl when Karen, his lifelong crush is sitting in a shack slowly dying a painful death. AND he crushes her face with a shovel to boot. This is our hero? The movie had no heroes, yet is succeeded on different levels (for those of us that did like it). <br> I think this is because of the comedy and quirkiness the film had, that was sorely missing from Hostel. Dept. Winston is one of my favorite horror characters. Not to mention Dennis. Everyone was screaming "pancakes" when we left the theater. The gore was pretty evil and even though they all seemed to go through a good deal of mental and physical torture, since it was a flesh-eating virus, no one seemed to care about the horrid things it was doing to their bodies. <br> Now I didn't care for Hostel (though I kinda feel like re-watching it again now...score one for AICN I suppose) but I once again wonder if the plot had gone a tad different would it have been more accepted. If we had three lifelong friends, and they were pretty good fellows exploring a country and not just their for pussy and beer? If the torture scenes were a little more implied then seen? Never know I guess. <br> And if Eli would just apologize for the N-word joke that almost got my ass kicked I promise I would go see Hostel II this weekend. And I've only seen one movie in the theaters since the *second* Pirates.

  • June 6, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Damn....

    by DarthTarter

    I just wrote "their" instead of "there"....

  • June 6, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    You gotta wonder...

    by TheHorror

    Just how a cock that big gets in Harry's mouth? I heard him say he was looking for examples of Roth's piss poor directing so here's a few. (i) The train: the train ride looks FAKE, I'm sure it was done in a studio as they usually are but it looks like a cardboard set, why is there a guuy with a Brazil top in amongst ITALIAN fans? Also "You stupid American Cunt" line was a shit delivery - bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. (ii) In terms of THE ENDING, my god arer you serious these characters are so unbelieveablt I kind of expected them to all be in on it or something! The whole transformation thing is duisgusting. ONE LINE of dialouge doesn't give the audience enough to feel "a turn" or a reason to let the bitch go. Reminds me of "I'm your butler Harry...and I know stab wounds whenm i see them..." (iii) Why was there a dude in a truck that wouldn't help her? Again one line seems o fix all for Eli, no plot holes in his fiolm...problem is there's no believable characters either. There seems to be gaping plot hole @ the end when she chops off her head, why would they let her? Then again why would they let her go? Why are the bubblrgum kids in on it? Why wouldn't they run like the clappers when a bald dude whips out his pistol? Case-in-point a good director THINKS about everything, yeah there may be some plot holes but they try to cover them up with some visuals or something...another point what's eli's style? he just steals shots...still and has 1,345.2 cameos per film just so the world knows he's a Horror fan, yeah I get it eli, we all do, but you still suck. Fuck this film.

  • June 6, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Cock, Tats for kids, and other idiotic things

    by Nezzer6364

    I always guessed Roth liked playing with someone else’s big cock. I don’t think anyone will every look at a movie Roth made and think “Wow I wish I would have made that.” Roth said, “I wanted temporary tattoos for the DVDS… for the kids” Yeah you really have to get the little ones started early on Torture Porn Also Eli said, “That’s why we have PIRATES 3 and SPIDER-MAN 3 and SHREK 3… they’re not making them, because they think they’re better movies. They make them, because that’s what’s going to make money.” Sounds like Hostel 2 to me.

  • June 6, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Nezzer6364

    by deariemeTHC

    Hostel 2 wasnt necessarily made for money. Eli stated that like..yeah of course it wasn't his original intention, but he was able to go back and write something original because the first one was so successful. Even if you hate his movies, if you see this one...you'll see it isnt a simple rehash, he didnt phone in the script, or any aspect of the movie, and that he's grown as a director.

  • June 6, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    deariemeTHC

    by TheHorror

    Eh, please elaborate? IMO this is the definition of re-hash.

  • June 6, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Picture

    by LittleBunnyFufu

    Needs a Not Safe For Work disclaimer BEFORE you click the link. What are you guys thinking? Plus, I've had way too much of the Rothapalooza. I'll be back at your site in a few weeks. Maybe you guys will have your act together by then...

  • June 6, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    The more the merrier!

    by Goonie

    Why are people freaking out over the number of articles for Hostel 2? The more the merrier! If a filmmaker gives AICN access, and we readers get a wealth of articles and information, where's the fucking harm? If you hate Roth or Hostel, then just don't read the articles. There are tons of new stories today, so read something else. Thanks to Harry and AICN, we are treated to stuff like the Stallone Q&A's, the Eli Roth interviews, the 6 different reviews of Pirates 3, ealry peeks at John Rambo, etc... And yet, people seem to complain when we get too mucch coverage (especially when it's someone they don't like). I rarely think of AICN as a destination for serious journalism; I think of it as a site for people who love movies and can't get enough, and I'm thrilled to see that Harry and the boys are getting more "insider treatment." I say, "Keep it up!"

  • June 6, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah that NSFW pic is pretty bad.

    by fish tacos

    smooth move, exlax

  • June 6, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Haters threaten to leave AICN? PLEASE DO, FUCK OFF

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    You Twats, I hope your priest sprays diarrhea all over your ugly fucking disgusting pimply faces you stupid cunts, then i hope the world goes to war and you're all fucked nuked 50 times over, please die.. and threatening to leave the site? DO IT YOU CUNTS, stop ruining talkbacks with your FUCKING DRIBBLE, it hurts my EYES to see your stupid SHIT. SOMEONE NEEDS TO TAKE A DUMP IN YOUR MOUTHS AND SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT WITH A FAT COCK, LIKE THE ONE IN THIS STORY. DON'T LIKE IT? TOUGH, GO CRY YOURSELF TO SLEEP YOU CUNTS

  • June 6, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Different talkback

    by TORTURE PWN

    same old assholes repeating the same old anti-Roth bullshit rhetoric.Don't like torture?Makes you uncomfortable?Good.That means HOSTEL works as a horror film.Don't like Roth?You might have seen or read an interview but you still don't even know the guy.Think his movies are poorly made?Don't go see them.Think the people who DO like his movies are sociopaths?Then they'd be the LAST people you'd want to piss off.Bored with your own worthless day to day existence and/or your meaningless dead end job?Use the company's computer to bitch about a fucking movie and pretend your blind,stupid,angry,flailing retard-like hate means something beyond the confines of your squishy little skulls.

  • June 6, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Negative Man

    by Subovon

    Thanks for reiterating my argument. I think that's a strange way to counter it, it's a strategy I'm not familiar with, and I don't think it works, but thanks anyway, mate. Cheers.

  • June 6, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Yo, spud mcspud

    by Subovon

    I totally agree with you, this has been one of the best talk-backs in a long time, you know, the one between raging between the "fuck (insert your opinion here)." I also liked the one about HD. I've been getting my time's worth of entertainment on the site, especially since I'm not a Roth hater, just someone who thinks there's better out there. Hell, I'm still kinda hoping he'll turn out a good movie, one day. Maybe H2 is it. When's the unrated DVD coming out, anyway?

  • June 6, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Arrogant bastards!!

    by jack Bauer

    Despite numerous moans about the picture it's still there bold as brass..Why...Because these turd heads are showing us how 'powerful' they are......LOL.. Maybe next time Ewe Bol will smack some sense into you all, and make sure Harry goes this time too...

  • June 6, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Who is Eli Roth?

    by Lando Griffin

    And what is this "Hostel" you speak of?

  • June 6, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Big Cock...

    by nelwack

    Oh jesus... I'm taking a Final in my english class right now and i just wanted to see what was new here on AICN only to show everyone sitting behind me a picutre of a GIANT DICK. Thanks assholes. You know i got a bunch of mormon chicks behind me?

  • June 6, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    What exactly has he done or sucked....?

    by joando90

    From what I gather the new isn't as good as the last one ( not that that set the heather alight exactly, and was sponsered by you Harry as being the next great thing) but here we are again being fed LOOKEE LOOKEE HERE IS THE NEXT HORROR MESSIAH and guess what its not...proof is in the pudding and the pudding sucks...

  • June 6, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Not Work Safe!

    by Jim Halpert

    Michael and Dwight sure will be freaked out about me reading this one.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    HARRY DID BAN MAN OF STOOL! HARRY FUCK YOU!

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    You just lost all credibility in my eyes- you banned a guy who disagreed with you in an earlier tak back- who everyone was referencing in the talk back! You just lost all credibility- all of it- man, sad- this is the beginning of the end for AICN.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Cool To Accept Payola For Toture Porn

    by TallBoy66

    That pretty much sums up why this goddamn crap is plugging up this site. Garbage.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Torture Pwn - and all you Roth fanatics

    by spud mcspud

    The irony is that you obviously think you are above what you accuse the rest of us of, or why would you say such things? Man, it must suck hatnig your life the way you do.<P> Roth fanatics: is there not one among you with the balls enough to admit that you watch these movies to get off on the sickness? That you secretly woder what it would be like to commit these acts without guilt or consequence? We have Tourist up there bragging that he's seen a number of real deaths on screen - why the fuck is this seen as a GOOD thing? The moment you realise that it's possible for this to happen in real life (ie when you GROW UP - every male kid of 13 or so enjoys the sick shit, but grows out of it when they realise what pain death can cause, due to losing a pet/friend/family member close to them, THAT'S when this sick shit becomes more than just an exercise in gore. Eli seems to genuinely enjoy watching realistic suffering on screen. I LIKE gore - I can watch the SAW movies (badly made as they are) for the inventiveness of the kills, but the style of the movies removes them one step from reality. Likewise the Elm Sts, Friday 13ths (LOVED Jason X!), Hallowe'ens etc. What do I hate? Devil's Rejects, Hostels, original TCM, Hills remake - because they aren't about catharsis (working out your own frustrations by identifying with the killer(s) or victim(s) on screen) but about making you feel very, very bad when you leave the theatre. Freddy Krueger killing jocks - fine. They're cartoony jocks and cartoony kills. But HOSTEL is about fucking assholes treating others like fucking assholes getting killed by fucking assholes then surviving only to be killed by more fucking assholes in Part 2. Where is the merit? What is the point? And why, if it's a movie for appreciators of the art of SFX, does the tone of the movie have to be realistic? Why not stylise it (like SAW movies) or give it a plot (like CABIN FEVER had)? Why make it a movie that (a) revels in the hyper-realistic kills, (b) obviously identifies with the killers, and (c) is made by a man who OBVIOUSLY gets off on the violence himself? Tell me that Eli Roth wouldn't be impressed by someone killing someone for real in the manner of a HOSTEL kill. He'd be whopping it up. And so would some of you sick fucks.<P> I just happen to think that's a bad thing. Excuse me all to hell for giving a shit. All you torture porn fans: go buy an island, take some power tools and heavy weaponry, plenty of duct tape and A LOT of Kleenex, and go fuck each other up to yor heart's content. Get it all out of your system, boys. The fact that you even feel the need to defend this sick shit is enough ot make me wonder why the fuck I care so much about humanity as a whole, it's so obviously doomed to fucking failure. You bunch of fucked up freaks.<P> Eli Roth is a sick bitch. You are his sick bitches for watching this shit. And Eli will build a nice large house by enabling you all to watch his sick shit. How depressing is THAT?

  • June 6, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    spud,who said I was a Roth fanatic?

    by TORTURE PWN

    And somebody who "LOVED JasonX" really shouldn't be trying to set themselves up as some kind of horror authority.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    FUCING GARBAGE HACK SHIT

    by hatespeech

    fuck

  • June 6, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Abortion Torture Porn

    by hatespeech

    that's all it is, with a penis choping off too!

  • June 6, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    Abandon Ship

    by UMAGA

    Seriously, I think if you're a fan of film, it's time to quit this site. At least until it stops being the new home of Eli Roth. I mean..fuck...Defending him to the death and now posting a picture of him with a giant fake cock? This is..beyond disturbing.

  • June 6, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Haters threaten to leave AICN? PLEASE DO, FUCK OFF

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    You Twats, I hope your priest sprays diarrhea all over your ugly fucking disgusting pimply faces you stupid cunts, then i hope the world goes to war and you're all fucked nuked 50 times over, please die.. and threatening to leave the site? DO IT YOU CUNTS, stop ruining talkbacks with your FUCKING DRIBBLE, it hurts my EYES to see your stupid SHIT. SOMEONE NEEDS TO TAKE A DUMP IN YOUR MOUTHS AND SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT WITH A FAT COCK, LIKE THE ONE IN THIS STORY. DON'T LIKE IT? TOUGH, GO CRY YOURSELF TO SLEEP YOU CUNTS

  • June 6, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    You can stay and look at cocks, Zappa

    by UMAGA

    Have fun.

  • June 6, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Gore looks cheap and fake anyway...whats the big deal

    by Bong

    I mean if this moron really wanted to "shock" us he could try a little harder to make the gore look real. Take for example the end of the first one when Paxton cuts of the Dutch guy's fingers. The hand looked like something you would find at some cheap prop/magic shop. Another example is when the Japanese girl's eyeball is cut off...looked like they took some whip cream and added some yellow food coloring to make it look like pus. On and on... Some cheap B-movies have better gore effects...how sad...

  • June 6, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Jason X

    by spud mcspud

    Why did I like it??<P> (1) Fun, unpretentious story<P> (2) More comedy than horror; strictly for the fans only!<P> (3) My finely attuned English sense of irony. As for horror authority? I'm a fanboy like most of y'all, but I'm just trying to get by, is all. Inside my squishy little skull (thanks for that, pwn). This from a guy named after something kids send to each other while Playing world of Warcraft. Jeezus. ;p

  • June 6, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Bong, good point

    by spud mcspud

    I never said it was ALL realistic. That eye effect in Hostel was completely shit. Still quite disturbing though.<P> It seems that I am now the poster boy for Torture Porn Prohibition, so I'll simply say: FUCK HOSTEL! FUCK ROTH! FUCK Y'ALL!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!

  • June 6, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    THIS TALKBACK MAKES ME VERY SAD

    by dalbatron

    Oh dear, I am at a loss after reading all these posts. I came on this site for news and intelligent chat about movies etc. Recently all we have are negative comment and foul language. WHY? It all goes back to the argument 'can a movie influence' well talk to the ad men who spend millions for a 30 sec ad during the superbowl and they say yes. Talk to a director of a horror movie and they say no. We are all responsible for our own actions. We cannot keep blaming the media for our actions. If you dont like hostel then dont see it. If you dont like Michael Bay dont see his movies but lets all retain some dignity eh? I personally enjoy a good horror movie. I find some of the stuff in Hostel hard to enjoy. It is like watching a porno in that every now and again you get an out of body type experience where to can see yourself sat on the sofa hunched over a tissue and it all seems a little sad. Same goes for some of the horror in Hostel, you get a mental image of yourself sat on the sofa hunched over a bag of chips enjoying makebelieve torture.. I dunno. What do you guys think?

  • June 6, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    dalbatron

    by spud mcspud

    That's pretty succinct. I agree. Bravo!

  • June 6, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    spud thanks

    by dalbatron

    why thankya maaam, I suppose Mr_Incredible types that kinda thing for attention eh? Just a thought. Why dont we all type our comments as if we are addressing the people face to face. I cant imagine most of the comments would be said then. Ahhh the anonimity of talkbacks....

  • June 6, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Okay.

    by Tourist

    Look, I don't dislike you guys for hating on Eli Roth, I had to endure the endless self promotion and ass kissing and "I'm really bringing horror back to its roots" bullshit that surrounded the amateurish turd fest that was Cabin Fever. But using Hostel as an excuse to bash the guy isn't really all that fair. It's an okay movie. It's a little light on content, and probally doesn't go far enough with some of the concepts it introduces, but it was fun and a little bit scary. It was also a world apart from The Saw movies, which ask you to empathise with and celebrate a pretentious, vile and intellectually stunted individual who tortures people in a wide of variety of sickening ways for your enjoyment. It's also a character that the film makers intend you to admire and be in awe of. Not far removed from the complaints some people had about Hannibal. Hostel on the other hand, plays out more like the action movies I mentioned. The hero has to go through hell before he can escape, which is what makes it exciting for audiences, and get bloody revenge, which is probally more likely to get people off than the gore in the torture scenes. It's not merely the depiction of realistic violence that people claim. As I said before, if audiences were to be subjected to actual scenes of violence and torture the reaction would be a complete 180 degree turn. Even if they were subjected to realistic yet simulated torture, you would not see the same audience turn out. The recently released Zodiac for example, featured a realistic, although brief scene of torture and murder which left the audience I was amongst with a palpably different reaction. No shits and giggles, just uncomfortable mutters or gasps. Hostel, and even the idealogically perverse Saw flicks don't illicit the same response as real violence to most people because they aren't realistic and aren't presented as such. Now, if you wan't to argue about peoples abillity to get off, or be entertained by violence thats fair enough, but as I said, your on an unreceptive forum, considering this site is almost devoted to films that sell mayhem and carnage as their bread and butter. If you find Hostel too violent or intense, also fair enough, go back to knitting with Grandma and watching Surfs Up or Norbit, but don't expect a site that caters to fans of horror, fantasy and sci-fi to give a shit about your dislike of said film. But, if as I suspect, the torture porn card is pulled out to flood talkbacks (and you guys are becoming more prolific and equally as annoying as the "This Years Little Miss Sunshine" or "First!" posters) simply to vent your anger at the sites massive promotion of someone you feel is unworthy, and I don't disagree with you there, why not try some interesting or reasoned discussion of said hack's film work, rather than behaving like a pack of fundamentalists outside of an abortion clinic?

  • June 6, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Tourist...

    by dalbatron

    At last informed intelligent discussion... Horror, action would that be called 'HACK'TION???

  • June 6, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Oh, and another thing...

    by Tourist

    Anyone enjoying a film as poorly made as Wolf Creek, i.e, an hour of people doing nothing, followed by a half hour of every hoary, idiotic horror cliche under the sun, with some uncomfortable and prolonged mysogny thrown in and also proclaiming that its okay to enjoy something that revels in and asks you to celebrate and "get off" to torture because it's not realistic, like the SAW movies but at the same time claim its sick and twisted to enjoy a fairly straight up horror/escape thriller should be the one checking out the psychatrist listings. As for you NSFW douche bags...Maybe you fags should be working, and not surfing movie gossip sites that have always been full of NSFW material. Jesus christ, you whiny bitches need to think about hiring a nanny, because your obviously unable to handle life as it presently is.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Aint It Cock News

    by BillyPilgrim

    The Hoff likes it...

  • June 6, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    speechless

    by billyhitchcock

    "how am I going to compete with that? Well the way to compete with that is you have the great kill.” I was like, “I need that ending. I need it! That’s my movie star, it’s that.” ............harry, this is roth in a nutshell. he shouldn't be anywhere near this site. CUNT

  • June 6, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    billyhitchcock

    by dalbatron

    i refer you to my previous comments...

  • June 6, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    The horror action genre...

    by Tourist

    Is sadly under represented. We have Niel Marshall, but he makes really bad movies. There was the slew of Deliverence knock offs, like Hunters Blood, or Clear Cut (Native American Torture Porn!) Or Aliens. Which I guess is sci-fi, but contains alot of horror and action. Mute Witness? It's like Hostel only with a mute chick. Joyride? I guess when Horror and Action make love, we get what is refered to as a thriller. Which is what I guess Hostel is.

  • June 6, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    paragraphs

    by Man_of_Stool

    It was FUCK HOSTEL. Not FUCK eli Roth. Quite a difference, eh? Still, you´re all right, mate!

  • June 6, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Mute Witness

    by dalbatron

    I forgot about that movie.. that was ok.... Yeah you always see 'thriller' next to ' horror' in the video store... When there is an A or B list actor it is thriller... otherwise its horror... The window of innocence is shrinking therefore gore reigns for some...

  • June 6, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Good God Almighty.

    by bobbyjoe

    Next on Aintitcool.com: "What Did Harry's Great Aunt Hildegard Think of Eli Roth's Cleaning Woman's Best Friend's Home Movies of Her Three Grandchildren? Click Here and See!"

  • June 6, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    AICN wow, all time new low

    by haitu

    you guys are disgusting. how many goddamn interviews do you have to have?

  • June 6, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Good God NO! Bobbyjoe!!!

    by BillyPilgrim

    Dont say that! We would end up with a nude picture of Aunt Hildegard sporting a giant cock.

  • June 6, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Haters threaten to leave AICN? PLEASE DO, FUCK OFF

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    You Twats, I hope your priest sprays diarrhea all over your ugly fucking disgusting pimply faces you stupid cunts, then i hope the world goes to war and you're all fucked nuked 50 times over, please die.. and threatening to leave the site? DO IT YOU CUNTS, stop ruining talkbacks with your FUCKING DRIBBLE, it hurts my EYES to see your stupid SHIT. SOMEONE NEEDS TO TAKE A DUMP IN YOUR MOUTHS AND SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT WITH A FAT COCK, LIKE THE ONE IN THIS STORY. DON'T LIKE IT? TOUGH, GO CRY YOURSELF TO SLEEP YOU CUNTS

  • June 6, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Kurzinski Valentine

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>Glad to see someone else take up for <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">WOLF</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">CREEK</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>. And you know, if I'm not mistaken, it was made for a million bucks, four times less than the first HOSTEL. Although, I do give credit to the set design of the first movie (haven't seen the second). I thought it was dank, creepy, and effective. I liked that. The rest was disappointing, though. And the actors... wait, sorry to call them that. (But then, I've seen none of their other work, so maybe it was all Roth not giving them anything to work with. The script sure didn't help them with their lines!) The second, or what I've seen of it looks a little over the top, to me. That's a nice bathtub she's got that naked chick covered in blood... but does it make sense in the flick? <span class=SpellE>Dunno</span><span class=GramE>,</span> I'll pass judgment when the UNRATED DVD comes out.</p>

  • June 6, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    On the other hand, Tourist:

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>How slow WOLF CREEK is at the beginning is a common complaint. I've always chalked it up to short attention span. You think the film's last third is a mountain of <span class=SpellE>cliches</span>? Can you think of anything more <span class=SpellE>cliche</span> than men kidnapping and raping women? I think the reason it's a <span class=SpellE>cliche</span>, is because we do a good job as a society of blaming the woman (&quot;she asked for it,&quot; is another <span class=SpellE>cliche</span>), and then looking the other way (say, towards a commercial break). I think that aside from the catharsis of shock, and horror, the filmmakers were after some of that. They're not *telling* you they're making a statement. Instead, they show you how ordinary days, for ordinary people, can suddenly end with violence and death... and then the world keeps turning (coming up next: see <span class=SpellE>Keifer</span> Sutherland torture his ex-wife to find out where she hid his goddamn car keys!&quot;). </p> <p class=MsoNormal>Also, it's essentially a remake of TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE, and it's not hiding it. So maybe the cliché is implied? '<span class=SpellE><span class=GramE>swhat</span></span> I <span class=SpellE>thunk</span>, at least.</p>

  • June 6, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Corporate Exploitation

    by turnedacorner

    Mr. Roth was simply the lowest bidder, willing to finance his own publicity (along with some internet idiots). We will all see more of this Hostel/Saw crap as big media interviews Roth about torture. (PS, Fuck you Roth for talking about how US warriors enjoy the release of fantasy torture - Ever heard of PTSD!) The only way to change the system is tell the corporate slags at Lionsgate, and the film financiers, etc. that the CEO should be crucified for supporting this variety of snuff. Do a little digging and we will get better results to change things if we turn our attention to the real money whores behind the film. Roth is a retard behind the camera, and regrettably in front of it as well. Harry, where is your public apology? Just rip it off fast like a band aid and everyone will just forgive you.

  • June 6, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    dalbatron:

    by Subovon

    You really made me laugh, dude – after I looked up the definition of "dignity." Just kidding! Great posts. Keep 'em coming. We can't outnumber the idiots, but we can ignore them. I learned the usefulness of my mouse's scroll button on these talk-backs!

  • June 6, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    by Subovon

    I agree with you, bud. Could you lead them out of here?!?

  • June 6, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Ainitcool COM=

    by Neil McCauleys Crew

    the official site for Hostel 2!!<p>I'm going to Google and see if this is the first site that gets the hit for Hostel 2

  • June 6, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Nope sorry but

    by Neil McCauleys Crew

    it IS on the 3rd page! Better start getting more stories out with nekkid Eli Roth pics AICN!

  • June 6, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    you see now?...

    by El Borak

    this is what watching torture porn does to you. it turns your minds to filth and your website to shit. a.i.c.n. has plummeted into the perpetual sewer of the internet in 2 to 3 days because of eli roth. shit.

  • June 6, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    subovon

    by dalbatron

    Cheers mate. I was just trying to get some sort of perspective on this whole shebang...

  • June 6, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Roth on the MPAA

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>I don't understand.... the <span class=SpellE>MPAA</span> tells him his film will get an NC-17, which is like saying, &quot;Sorry, we're doing what we can to keep it from being released widely, unless you sensor your flick.&quot; Then, instead of saying &quot;You gotta censor this, this and that,&quot; they say &quot;the areas of concern are here, here, and here.&quot; <span class=GramE>&quot;Areas of concern.&quot;</span> HA! I love euphemisms, always <span class=GramE>good</span> for a good laugh, like being politically correct!</p> <p class=MsoNormal>So He sensors his flick, exactly in the way they want (I presume, since he ended up with an R), and he calls that a &quot;discussion?&quot; Someone explain that one to me, please. </p> <p class=MsoNormal>Someone also explain to me how Bruce Willis can say that LIVE CENSORED OR DIE HARD can be as &quot;hard&quot; as the first, R rated movie, except that it's rated PG-13, please....</p> <p class=MsoNormal>The very condition that allows censorship to <span class=GramE>function,</span> is that there can be NO argument. It's either OK, or, it's not. <span class=GramE>Period.</span> So it sounds to me that Eli thinks having the phone number of the people at the <span class=SpellE>MPAA</span> who are handling his &quot;account,&quot; and doing what they want, is what he calls a &quot;discussion.&quot; He even mentions he has no influence on them - none at all. And then I'm asking... so what part of that is a &quot;discussion,&quot; if only one side is listening? Does he actually believe what he's saying? </p> <p class=MsoNormal>This guy really makes my head hurt...</p>

  • June 6, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Ye damn Puritians!

    by BillyPilgrim

    His cock is nothing more than what the good lord gave him!

  • June 6, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    dalbatron,

    by Subovon

    it looks to me like you HAVE a perspective, already!

  • June 6, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Roth's Balls

    by greatmoose

    What I want to see is if Roth has the "balls" to make a Hostel-type movie about rape. Wouldn't that have the same level of "social commentary" and "intelligence"? And how would a movie about people going around and raping women (or men, whatever) be any different from what Hostel and its ilk are? I truly am curious if you torture defenders see a difference, and what that might be.

  • June 6, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Actually looking forward to seeing it....

    by NubtheSquirrel

    Gotta be honest, I am actually wanting to see this one. The first one bored me to tears until the killig started and then the joy of seeing the shocked and appalled expressions of every single member in the audience with that first torture scene really made my night. The fact that the two friends I was with had to leave the flick because they were sufficiently grossed out was fucking priceless to me. The realism and yet the over top aspects in the torture scenes were great. (And don't call bullshit because you would throw up too if you were getting tortured.) The first half, let's face it. Boring as fuck but Mr. Roth fucking brought it with that second half. I am hoping he brings it with this second one and double. Can't wait to catch this on Saturday.

  • June 6, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    I **LOVE** Horror movies...but hate Hostel

    by Lilana

    I'm getting sick and tired of Harry etc... acting as if Eli is some kind of saviour/champion of Horror movies. He might be getting an audience but his films are mediocre, trash. I don't give a crap about the Torture porn debate. I'll happily watch some really sick stuff and I've grown up on horror movies it's my favourite genre. Eli Roth though is a HACK plain and simple. Hostel is an ok movie but THAT'S IT. He does not deserve this level of attention! **THE DESCENT** now that was a good solid horror movie. Not perfect but definitely demonstrated that the director had skill and real potential to do something truly great in the future. Eli Roth is a total amateur in comparison. So what if he's helping make horror a popular genre again, and so what if he's 'pushing the envelope' or whatever?..doesn't change the fact that he's a SHITTY director.

  • June 6, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    My I.T. guy called me about P.A.!

    by Loosejerk

    PROSTHETIC WANG!

  • June 6, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    why yes...

    by Loosejerk

    it should have been a "w".

  • June 6, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I'm with ya Spud!

    by DarthTarter

    I LOVE Jason X as well. I don't care if it was stupid...it was fucking fun. My girlfriend of the time went with me and kept shooting me these "you fucking jerkface" looks. That alone was worth the price of admission. Can't believe after that she still went with me to Freddy Vs. Jason - another film I like and don't care who doesn't.

  • June 6, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Character Arc?

    by bluemcpoo

    LOL A sudden switch from one tintype character model to another with no rational explanation is not an arc.

  • June 6, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    HEY KURZINSKI, READ::::

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    You Twat, I hope your priest sprays diarrhea all over your ugly fucking disgusting pimply face you stupid cunt, then i hope the world goes to war and you're fucking nuked 50 times over, please die.. stop ruining talkbacks with your FUCKING DRIBBLE, it hurts my EYES to see your stupid SHIT. SOMEONE NEEDS TO TAKE A DUMP IN YOUR MOUTHS AND SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT WITH A FAT COCK, LIKE THE ONE IN THIS STORY. DON'T LIKE IT? TOUGH, GO CRY YOURSELF TO SLEEP YOU CUNTS

  • June 6, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    THIS IS FOR EVERY DUMB SHIT TB IVE SEEN ON THIS THREAD

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    FUCK YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND YOU IN YOUR TIGHT ASSHOLES

  • June 6, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Calling All Arm-chair Filmmakers / Social Commentators.

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    To the Arm-chair Filmmakers, I take a dump on your chair so when you try to sit in it and act like you fuckin' know anything, you finally smell everything that has been coming out of your herpes-lined mouth. To the Wanna-be social commentators, GO BACK TO CHURCH OR WHATEVER CIRCUS YOU CAME FROM AND DO WHAT YOU DO BEST, PERSECUTE THINGS, STOP TRYING TO ABSTRACT IT INTO ARGUMENTS THAT WILL ONLY HURT YOUR BRAIN.

  • June 6, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    ANTI-ROTH = PRO-RETARD

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    and if you're reading this and want to ARGUE THAT POINT, go RIGHT AHEAD and KEEP REINFORCING IT.

  • June 6, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    ALL THIS AND IVE NEVER SEEN HOSTEL I OR II

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    BUT you all STILL ARE ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF PRICKS

  • June 6, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Seeing Hostel at screening with Eli and Cast tommorow

    by BrightEyes

    This is gonna be the best summer movie!!!!!!!!Eli Roth is amazing

  • June 7, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Eli Roth has chosen HD DVD... Here's Why:

    by polyh3dron

    Because Hotel and Hostel 2 are Blu-Ray exclusive and he doesn't want to subject you to TORTURE PORN.

  • June 7, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Needs more man swinging infant child into womans face

    by ThePilgrim

    I want too see a movie where the killer beats the mother to death with her own baby. Then we can talk about uncrossable lines. I hope the Pilgrim comes from the Plymouth Plantation in Massachusetts- Or his dad was a drunk turkey farmer who lost his mind.

  • June 7, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Wolfy Creek.

    by Tourist

    Actually, to be fair to Wolf Creek, and to explain why I think it's a bad movie, I'll elaborate. The first half IS Slow. Not because it's developing time with the characters or building atmosphere, but because it follows the text book slasher formula, but at a much more sloggish pace. Requiste creepy locals in a bar, unconvential romance, taking a wrong turn/ heading off the beaten path and having your car break down. To be sure, it FELT alot more viscerally real than most modern slashers, but that was completely undone and washed down the drain once the horror began. Yes, the scene of him menacing the girl was somewhat uncomfortable, for being played out in vouyeristic long shots and her performance was sickeningly real. But then it just fell into being a standard hack and slash outing. They knock out the killer, but instead of disabling him or anything approaching a real life situation, they decide to run off into the dark desert, because the plot necessitates them having a cheap tension trick of being just out of sight of the killer, while he dawdles above. They filled in the rest of the running time with more labourious conventions, although the ending at least went somewhere different for the genre. I was suprised though, since Wolf Creek had been the film I had been eagerly awaiting, and I had heard middling responses to Hostel, to find my enjoyment was the other way around. Not to invalidate your points though. I think the reason I dislike Wolf Creek as much as I did could be the same reason I hated The Descent. So many great things in the film, that are completely hamstrung by momentously idiotic film making choices It was all a dream? Jesus. In Haute Tension and The Devils Rejects, the great and awful sort of balanced each other out to make good, but in Wolf Creek and The Descent, the bad sunk the good for me. As far as atmosphere is concerned, I thought Hostel was okay. I was actually suprised that the Russian heavies didn't look like Television or Segal Eastern European heavies. Again, I think the disparity between Eli's press and his product is what causes all this ill will. I had the same reaction to Cabin Fever. The guy makes pretty good thrillers, but pretty crappy horror films. Fine line, I know. But he sells himself, with the help of sites like this, as the second coming of genre cinema. I don't think that's cause for lambasting modern society and decrying violence in horror films as torture porn. To second whoever else said it though, I think Aja is the real deal. At the moment. At least Eli is a big step up from Nick Palumbo or the Chaos dickheads.

  • June 7, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Darth Tarter

    by spud mcspud

    With you there - I did enjoy FREDDY vs JASON (come on, Katharine Isabelle got them out! What's not to like?) although the Peter Briggs script (end of the world, set at the Millennium etc) would have been the best one to make. Not as good as the other Freddy flicks, but who cares? Worthwatching for the ultimate monster smackdown at the end! Totally fucking fun! STUPID BUT FUN HORROR MOVIES ROOOOOOOOOOOL!!!

  • June 7, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    ThePilgrim

    by spud mcspud

    Where the line stops, ThePilgrim starts. I think ThePilgrim is the future of horror! And he hasn't even made a movie yet!!! (Or have you??)

  • June 7, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Another good review from a different source...

    by DarthTarter

    ...and one I like and trust so I might get sold on this film. Dreadcentral.com gives the movie 4 1/2 out of 5 and does a pretty good job explaining some of the differences from the first one, and why it is a much better film (without spoiling a damn thing). Does this mean Johnny Butane, Uncle Creepy, Foywonder, Nomad (who wrote the review) and the rest of the crew are also sucking on Eli's dick? Still not saying this is gonna be a good movie and still think those who think it's sick and disgusting have a point. BUT sites other than Harry's are liking this film. It's not just AICN. <br> "Hostel Part II is a sick little tale of monstrous people doing unspeakable things ... and you’ll love every minute of it. Well, at least Dread Central readers will! There's no shortage of carnage, blood and unflinching violence for the hardcore horror freaks out there, and at the same time, you get a multi-tiered and remarkably smart storyline to back it up. Hostel Part II may not be scary, but I bet you cash money that by the end of this film Eli Roth will have made you flinch. This is a damn good time." - Dread Central

  • June 7, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    nothing about Eli Roth impresses me

    by themagus

    his movies are a big ball of nothing

  • June 7, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    I'm done

    by kadath

    I'm done with this site. It hasn't been good for a while, but now it's just turned into Eli Roth's gay porn homepage. Sad.