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Massawyrm Dares To Talk About The Film AICN Refuses To Cover - Eli Roth's HOSTEL PART II !!


Hola all. Massawyrm here. Yeah, yeah. I know. This week we sure do read a lot like our URL is actually AintEliRothCoolNews.com, but what are you gonna do? There's a bunch of us that dig his films. We love the material he plays around with and the intelligence he brings to the genre. He's a good guy and he's one of us. So what do you say I spare you yet another "I first met Eli when…" stories and get right to the goods. I'm gonna say this now. If you hate Eli, if the phrase "torture porn" has ever proudly escaped your lips, or most importantly if you hate HostelHostel Part II is not going to change your mind. It is, for all intents and purposes, much the same as Hostel. Young Americans get kidnapped, young Americans get killed in new and different ways. While there are enough flourishes to set it apart, I honestly do not believe it is different enough to change any minds out there. In fact, you might even hate Eli even more for a few of the choices he makes here. Now, that said, if for some reason you liked, or like me, dug the ever loving shit out of Hostel, well, then this is gonna do one hell of a job gouging your eye out then skullfucking the socket. This movie kicks some ass. And it, more than any other film, shows us the potential Eli has. He absolutely did not phone this one in. The film starts off kind of slow tension wise. Not that nothing is happening, but for those really familiar with the original, it becomes an exercise in wondering just how much alike this and the first are going to be. We're introduced to three American girls and then watch them run across many of the same people who fucked over our protagonists in the first film. You watch as these women fall into a trap you see coming a mile away. But that's when Eli weaves in what sets this film apart – the storyline of the killers who have paid to kill these girls. And from that point on, it's a solid, very enjoyable new film. Until the final act. That's when you realize that, unlike most films that begin with a good or great idea and try to end that story well, Eli had an amazing third act in mind and set out to make two acts that could get him there. The last ten minutes are so off the fucking hook that it's ridiculous. There is a scene that elicited such a visceral, physical reaction out of me – jumping, then writhing in my seat banging the armrest – that I dare not speak of it. It's just fucked up. Probably the most deliciously fucked up thing to grace the screens all summer – if not all year. Eli got me. He got me good. And he ultimately made a film that gets better and better as the film progresses – then gives one hell of a climax finale. It is everything he did right with Hostel, amped up and perfected. But I hesitate to truly call this a better film than the first, as many other have. I think both films do excellent jobs of exploring somewhat different themes. And the initial shock of the concept in the first film never is developed any further here – not that it actually could be. But by implying that this one is better, people who didn't like the first might be convinced that this is in some way different. And really, it isn't. Horror fans are gonna find enough different to enjoy this for the roads it travels down – but really, it's not different enough to convince an audience that is unwilling to accept it. The only people who are going to really be disappointed here are those who loved the original for its brazen sexual content and nudity – of which this film is sorely lacking. There're a few scenes of nudity, but never highly sexualized or at all titillating. But that never seems out of place here as the film revolves around women looking for some relaxation rather than hornball teenage boys on a quest to teabag some eastern block punnany. Anyone who disliked the original for how sexual it was will find this much more relaxed – but those hoping for more bouncing unbound breasts will find this not quite the Eli Roth they were looking for. When reviewing the first, I joked that you could almost smell Eli while watching it. It was rife with his humor, his love of women, gore, his love of women's body parts, his love of women's body parts covered in gore. The "Fratboy" Eli Roth was all over that film. But this film feels different tonally. It feels a hell of a lot more mature. Eli's heard the criticism and has set out to make some very serious horror fare. Not to say that this isn't fun. Just that it's going to be a lot harder to assail about the weaknesses that many have accused Eli of having. So if you were somehow on the fence, I'm gonna say this one will probably bring you on over. Otherwise, you already probably know how you're going to feel about this. Highly Recommended for anyone that enjoyed Hostel. Not recommended for those that didn't. It really doesn't get much plainer than that. Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em. Massawyrm
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  • June 5, 2007, 7:18 a.m. CST

    first

    by skintandminted

    ?????

  • June 5, 2007, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Best

    by stvnhthr

    Massawyrm that is the best signature pic I've seen yet. It is a keeper.

  • June 5, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    arnt you fucking fantastic skin

    by bongo123

    a first...

  • June 5, 2007, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Intelligence he brings to the genre?

    by TheBigDogg

    Look, I actually enjoyed Cabin Fever. I didn't like Hostel but have no problem with its existence. But 'intelligence'? Where exactly? Is it hidden in your beautiful summary - "Young Americans get kidnapped, young Americans get killed in new and different ways"?

  • June 5, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Hostel is a good idea executed poorly

    by WolfmanNards

    The movie essentially has no content. It could have been 5 minutes long. It's worthless. And from what I can gather from the interviews on this site, Eli Roth points himself in the wrong direction in horror. He says he wants to make things SICKER, and MORE OUTRAGEOUS! When people are making a drama, do they say they want to make it "DRAMA-ER" ... no. They just execute an original idea. Any good horror movie should follow the same outline. Not be OH MY GOD THE GROSSEST THING IVE EVER SEEN! But just plain old scary. Scary is scary. Yeah, there are different levels, but gore has nothing to do with it. One very important aspect is to introduce characters we care about. Otherwise (as in the case of Hostel) we do not give a shit what is happening to the "protagonist". Who really gave a shit about the shallow characters in Hostel? Nobody can say they were memorable whatsoever. Hostel is a movie that could be picked apart forever, but ultimately, the biggest problem with the movie, and what Im certain to be the biggest problem with part 2 is the lack of PLOT and CHARACTERS. Simple stuff, really.

  • June 5, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    I hope this TB gets as stupid as the last Hostel TB.

    by rev_skarekroe

    That one's some fun, let me tell you.

  • June 5, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Never reading a Massawyrm report again.

    by Fish Tank

    Eli is a Fuck. Hostel is for retards. You lost me, dude.

  • June 5, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Not for me.

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    I thought Hostel was a big pile of shite. It started out alright, but by the time the end came it had become a very immature journey through what should have been pure terror. The way the guy gets revenge on EVERYONE is just laughable.

  • June 5, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    H2!

    by huggerorange

    fuckin A !! hostel 2 coming out this weekend!! will be there to see some titays!!! finally!

  • June 5, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Cocktimus Prime

    by Chilli815

    Bring something new to the table or stop typing. We heard your one-note opinion the first dozen times, and now its getting ridiculous.

  • June 5, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Great, here we go again...

    by Jakes Nel

    Another 750 or so posts from talkbackers insulting each other and everyone else on its way, folks...

  • June 5, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    I don't know, maybe I missed a meeting

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    The film Ultraviolet gouged my eye out and skullfucked me, and I have to say I did not enjoy the experience at all. It was quite upsetting, actually, especially when William Fichtner turned up and appeared to be in actual pain at having signed up to be in such dreck.<p>Thanks for the review, though, Mr Wyrm. I wasn't too keen on Hostel, so it sounds like I won't miss anything if I skip this and stay at home. Maybe I'll watch The Big Lebowski again instead. What a great film.<p>"Careful, man, there's a beverage here!"

  • June 5, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    The amazing twist ending

    by Macktheknife01

    spoiler: did anybody else see the commercial that mentioned the amazing ending? yeah well I'm pretty sure i know what it is will i get banned if i guess

  • June 5, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    I ask myself "Why do people want to see these films?"

    by BenBraddock

    Torture - I'm sure the majority of people on this site would agree - is a truly horrible thing. I wish it didn't exist in the world. It makes me sad the things we do do to each other, for whatever "cause" or purpose. I honestly, truthfully have no desire to see someone tortured in real life. Nor do I want to see it up on the silver screen. There have, of course, been films in the past that have involved torture as a part of their plotlines, to devastating effect (couple that come to mind are "Reservoir Dogs" and "Syriana"); scenes that had me squirming in my seat but accepting that, OK, this was a necessary plot device and not just exploitative. That for me is acceptable - torture exists and is always going to, and some films will need to deal with that issue. But (here it comes) the "Hostel" films seem to revel in the pain, terror and sadism that torture entails, as entertainment, with the express design of turning a buck. I find that wrong, pretty reprehensible actually, and sad that major studios are now prepared to go so far as to back, produce and release such pictures. Capitalism's dark side indeed. I'm not saying the pictures should be banned, just that I find it sad and not a little bit sick that the first one didn't just flop at the box-office, never to be heard of again. Nope, as it turns out, a lot of people wanted to see it. And now we are asked to endure "Hostel 2". That depresses me.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Do you remember...

    by Mr Gorilla

    Do you remember when violent films really outraged people in the past? Clockwork Orange? The Devils? Fight Club, even? The thing these films had in common is that they ACTUALLY HAD IDEAS. Rather than being made by some dumb-ass idiot who can't tell the difference between Slovakia and Slovenia, even though he's setting his film there. A dumb-ass who thinks, in an age of Abu Ghraib, a movie in which people pay to torture people is a smart, natty little idea. Prick.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:03 a.m. CST

    oh okay

    by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES

    So it's not "torture porn." It's "frat-horror." Christ these movies suck.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Intelligence to the genre...

    by Mr Gorilla

    Once and for all can someone write down the 'intelligence' Eli Roth brings to the genre. Just give it a go.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Eli got me????????

    by alucardvsdracula

    Sounds like a fucking plant to me.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    To be fair to Eli Roth

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    In an age of Abu Ghraib, I think a film where folks pay to torture people acutally is a 'smart, natty little idea', it's just that Eli Roth doesn't seem all that interested in mining his material for potential subtext. He's a horror fan, or, more truthfully, a gore fan. So that's the kind of film he makes. Nothing wrong with that, if you're into that kind of thing.<p>I'm not, by the way. I like The Big Lebowski.<p>"Lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta whathaveyous."

  • June 5, 2007, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Boycott Hostel talkbacks

    by Atticus Finch

    Show Aint It Schill News that no one gives a shit about films that suck (like Eli Roth's entire catalogue) just because he and Harry are butt-buddies.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Again Hostel 2? *yawn*

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Another sleep-inducing tb?<p>I feel like getting force-feeded with Hostel 2 crap.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Great review

    by wazza

    Can't wait to see the 3rd act

  • June 5, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    The Big Lebowski.

    by Chilli815

    Absolute classic film.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Any Uwe Boll experts on this talkback?

    by Jakes Nel

    No seriously. I haven't seen any of his "films", but hear everyone claiming that he's awful. And I happen to like bad movies. Any recommendations? Which ones should I watch first?

  • June 5, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    what up side down scene

    by Macktheknife01

    what the hell is this scene everyone is talking about.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    If the audience for Hostel 2...

    by Mr Gorilla

    ...really is the audience who want to sit at home, watching and re-watching the scenes of torture and nudity... then maybe they'll have all downloaded the film from the sites around the net.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Twist ending?

    by stemjsim

    nah, no way was that a twist. It's a buisness so she just bought it off. Though I did laugh when those bubblegum kids played football with the head.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Mr. Gorilla, BenBradock

    by LittleBunnyFufu

    I salute you.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Speed Fricassee

    by Mr Gorilla

    No, he's not kidding. After a typical AintItCool outing - to see a guy having his dick cut off and fed to dogs - the 'guys' all sit around drinking single malt whisky and saying things like 'I really thought that the director brought an intelligence to the genre. One that perhaps we've not seen hitherto since The New York Ripper. Hmmm.'

  • June 5, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Hey, Jakes Nel

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    BloodRayne is a good one to start with, and Alone In The Dark is also worth a watch (and by 'worth a watch' I mean it's pretty fucking bad). House Of The Dead is also bad, but mostly it's boring, so I can't give that a whole-hearted thumbs up. It has pre-boob job boobs from that Smallville girl, if you're interested in that sort of thing. Not the cute little one who looks like a bitch. Lois Lane.<p>Also, I notice they still have a quote of mine up on the Bollbashers website, which is one of my proudest acheivements. I am officially a Boll Basher. I thought they would send me badge or something, but nothing has turned up yet.<p>"Sure, that and a pair of testicles."

  • June 5, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Jakes...about Uwe

    by lethalegg

    Watch House of the Dead with a bit of alcohol in your system. It is a very, very, VERY funny experience...it's so bad it's good. But Bloodrayne and Alone in the Dark are so bad they're bad and they made me hate life. He really is /that/ bad. Just watch House of the Dead, avoid the rest, seriously. As far as Hostel, what annoys me more than the movie itself is its fanbase. I'm sorry, it's a torture movie, it is what it is at face value. There's no underlying message about "mankind's darker side" or bullshit like that. It's just a torture movie for gorehounds who are too impatient to think. There is nothing more to it. It's a very empty and boring movie. Hostel 2 will be a big disappointment, too, it sounds like.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay is the biggest piece of shit in the world.

    by lost.rules

    Oops. Wrong TB. Okay, let me rephrase. Eli Roth is the biggest piece of shit in the world.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

    bloodrayne

    by Macktheknife01

    probably the most representative of why everyone hates him. Uwe manages to make a movie that has average acting and probably a budget of 20 or 30 million look like a LARP group home video.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but Eli Roth has a huge cock.

    by henrydalton

    http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/elirothnudebig.jpg

  • June 5, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    upside down scene

    by lionbiu

    Its the scene when one of the girls are tied upside down while some vampire chick cuts her with a scythe and bathes in her blood. Don't bother going to see this movie...it sucks.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Upside down scene

    by stemjsim

    is when one of the girls is hung upside down the cut so someone can have a bloodbath/shower

  • June 5, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    That leaked scene made me sick

    by Garbageman33

    Anyone who thought it was "hot" or "sexy" is a sick fuck. Yes, it's a total fantasy. Two hot chicks naked. I get that. But then, one of them starts chopping away at the other while she's hanging helplessly upside down. How exactly is that hot? It's just fucking sick. Especially in a world where people are getting their heads chopped off. Not even chopped, but slowly sawed with a sharp knife so the victim suffers as much as possible. There's video of Daniel Pearl getting executed on the web too. Does that make you hot? Oh wait, he's not a hot chick. And he's not nude. So it's totally different, right? Yeah, keep telling yourselves that, you sick bastards.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    In the 'Thanksgiving' spoof trailer...

    by Mr Gorilla

    When the topless cheerleader does the slplits then lands on a knife which impales her, up her vagina... I really think that Eli Roth brought such INTELLIGENCE to the genre of 'pastiche Grindhouse trailer'. I'm sure the pervs who run this site will agree.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    It seems to me...

    by beastie

    ... that most horror fans and critics seem to like Eli Roth and agree with Massawyrm on the intelligence of his films. The only people who have an adamant hate for Roth are the talkbackers on this site.</p><p>GO MOB MENTALITY!!!

  • June 5, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Great fucking review

    by kilik777

    Ive seen it twice now and you hit it right on the head. I prefer the original a tad better but for those who loved the orignal will dig this and those who hated it will probably hate this one as much or maybe a little less. Another awesome review is here: http://tinyurl.com/pv8do

  • June 5, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Bloodsucking Freaks did it first

    by ProfGriffin

    Seriously. It was fun too. Yay! I feel that all this Hostel flack and AICN support deserves some words of wisdom. No. Not from me, from one who we should all look to for answers. Joe Bob Briggs. Not the Joe Bob Briggs of TODAY...no. The Joe Bob Briggs of circa 1983, writer for the Dallas Slimes Herald, eternal fighter against the High Sheriffs of censorship, and the man who actually gave a positive review to The GRIM REAPER! Ladies and Gentlemen, The Drive-In Oath: (ahem) We are Drive-In Mutants We are not like others. We are sick, we are twisted. We believe in Blood, Breasts, and Beasts We believe in Kung-Fu City. If Life had a vomit meter, we’d be off the scale As long as one single drive-in remains on the planet earth We will party like jungle animals We will boogie ‘til we puke Heads will roll And the drive-in will never die! -The Drive In Oath Joe Bob Briggs

  • June 5, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    4 reviews up at Rotten Tomatoes...

    by dcut75

    All 4 positive. Bloody-Disgusting has posted their official review today, also positive.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Does anyone care that Hostel2 won't be uncut in Germany

    by DerLanghaarige

    The FSK (German MPAA) said no! And they had no problem with the first Hostel or The Hills Have Eyes. (But had some HUGE problems with TCM: The Beginning and the unrated Version of Saw 3.<br> But as long as they only have problems with film which I don't care for, it could be MUCH worse!

  • June 5, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I don't hate Roth.

    by Mr Gorilla

    I just get worried by the growing TREND of mainstream entertainment films in which torture scenes are central. In all seriousness, it's the trend that's worrying, not this particular film on its own.

  • June 5, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Thanks for all the Uwe info, folks....

    by Jakes Nel

    And for the record, all Eli opinions aside, I truly think there's a lot worse out there. My "worst director" these days is Mark Steven Johnson. So far he's completely fucked up two fun Marvel characters and made a fortune doing it. So bad that people find him not even worthy of discussion most of the time. Even worse, he's taking on Garth Ennis' legendary Preacher series next. It's a crime, really...

  • June 5, 2007, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Too much Bollbashing will send you blind.

    by Boba Fat

    Probably from a swinging right hook delivered by the hackoteur himself. As for Hostel 2, I'd rather watch Food Of the Gods. "Lady, what have you been doing with those god dammned chickens?"

  • June 5, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Was the ending supposed to be a big twist??

    by mr.underwater

    Oh shit. Heed my spoiler warning on the set visit thread. I'm sure there were some other folks who also talked about it. But I don't want to be the spoiler.<br><br>Honestly, it didn't occur to me that it was a "big twist ending" because where the fuck else was it going to go?

  • June 5, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Hostel 3: Let's kill us some babies

    by Kloipy

    3 wacky, milk craving babies go papoosing around eastern europe, only to be led into the sinister underbelly of Elite Hunting by 2 giant boobies. Watch babies get hammers to the face, chainsaws to the torso, and forcefed bottles of acid! Sound like fun!

  • June 5, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    It's only a movie...It's only a movie...It's only ...

    by TORTURE PWN

    How many times do you assholes need to be reminded? Seriously.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Do you care if it falls?

    by TORTURE PWN

    ...

  • June 5, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    What?

    by TORTURE PWN

    ...

  • June 5, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Hostel 4: Life Goes Off

    by Kloipy

    Eli Roth dares to show us the brutal murder of the mentally retarded! Who dares to park in this space!

  • June 5, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    The moral fabric of America

    by TORTURE PWN

    ...

  • June 5, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    ...

    by TORTURE PWN

    Fuck it.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    that fabric is full of holes

    by Kloipy

    The doily of idiots

  • June 5, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    See what I mean?

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>I like the sense of humor these boys have about themselves and their site (love the title). They're not pretending to be objective, just that they'll tell you what they think.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>This gives me some hope the killer's <span class=SpellE>POV</span> is going to bring something really disturbing to the movie. Not sure it sounds like the kind of - cough - &quot;intellect,&quot; needed to pull it off is on screen, but... I'm still gonna check out the DVD. Certainly not the censored theatrical version.... </p> <p class=MsoNormal>So FUCK the <span class=SpellE>MPAA</span>! That's who I have a real beef with!</p>

  • June 5, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Are you guys having a laugh?

    by Buffalo500

    All this hatred over a horror film? A film that was a lot better than most of the crap that gets released these days. No wonder the world is in the mess it is, don’t blame Bush, blame the morally righteous AICN geeks. Wes Craven was right all those years ago…it’s only a movie. I think Mary Whitehouse has an opening for you guys…..

  • June 5, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Freddy VS Jason VS Hostel

    by Kloipy

    two may enter, only one will leave

  • June 5, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay suc... oh wait

    by BadAshe

    I had a friend that was in a band that, while able to look back with much better musical taste, was pretty mediocre. I "dug" them at the time because my friend was the guitar player and, when asked for my opinion about the group, I would waffle and say that it was pretty good. This is all that is happening here. The AICN guys are pals with Eli and you don't rag on your pals and their work. However, it does call into question the legitimacy of any future, and past, reviews. If you "like the guy" directing/producing/writing/acting and give the movie a great review, then in the future, when a negative review is posted, I will have to wonder if the review is based solely upon the quality of the work or a pre-defined personal opinion of the people making the film. Cabin Fever on this site is a great example. When reviews first appeared, there were those that were saying that this is the new Evil Dead. This was a low-budget horror film made by a guy that understood horror and was going to be the new face of the genre. When I went to see the film, I was stunned at how bad the film was. No story, monotone and boring characters, and outside of the dog-face-eating, nothing in the effects side that made me go wow. My problem with Eli Roth is that he has yet to show us any well-defined work that has any form of true story. And sadly, based on what I have seen so far and have heard from this film, it looks like he has not made the progress I was hoping for. As for fans of Hostel(s), stick with Miike. The scene in Audtion when that girl took that piano wire to that guy's foot is one of the most painful, sickening scenes I have ever seen in a film. Of course, I reacted the way I did because I had something invested in the characters. That one scene had more impact on me than then body of Roth's work thus far.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Intelligence he brings to the genre?

    by Sledge Hammer

    Fuck. Off. And it's not even the fact that his scripts are derivative as all hell, it's more that not only are they derivative as all hell, but they have absolutely no character, no atmosphere, no intelligence, and not even the merest semblance of a decent plotline running through them, not to mention some of the hands down worst dialogue known to man or beast (in fact I'm pretty much positive that a lone monkey on a typewriter could do better). His scripts are nothing but horribly written padding between overblown, predictable and unatmospheric gore 'money shots', and his so called direction is simply pitiful, no matter how much the DOP might valiantly try to hide the fact. "Intelligence he brings to the genre"...pull the other one, it plays torture porn.<p>Fact is I don't have a personal grudge against Eli Roth, though I do believe him to be a massive tool and utterly talent vacuum, and I don't have a moral vendetta against so called "torture porn". No, my problem is with bad films, and Roth's films are very, very bad indeed, bordering on complete and utter incompetence. I rally against the utter shitfulness of his films, that's what I have a problem with. And I rally against the bullshit hype being constantly drummed up for the guy, when this massively untalented hack clearly doesn't deserve anyone patting him on the back for the putrid, poorly put together shitfests that he's constantly throwing against the wall, while claiming to be the new face of horror. The guy is the worst kind of inept hack, and his films are utter shite, end of story, end of fucking list.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    buffalo

    by Kloipy

    i didn't like hostel one. not because it was so horrifying, but because it wasn't. The concept of the film is much more frightning than the realization of it. i don't want 2 hours of just brutal torture. But come on! At least build up suspense and realism. If Eli wanted that he would have never let Paxton escape or even get revenge in the first one. Even Massa is saying it's kind of a retread of the first movie. I am a huge horror fan, but I haven't seen a movie in years that I thought was actually horror.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    MTV Movie Awards 2008 will feature a spoof...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...of Hostel 2. The twist is that it takes place in Guantanamo!

  • June 5, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    I want to see Vern's review

    by Kloipy

    i don't think he shills for anyone

  • June 5, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Hostel California...

    by Boba Fat

    You can enter but never leave. <p>It's run by a nest of bickering, bald eagles and they peck teenagers genitals off but in a funny way. Cock a Doodle Don't! is the alternative tag line and that blue muppet eagle could play the grandpa. I'm also talking to KFC about the Hostel California Cockwich Meal.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    kloipy

    by Buffalo500

    If I go to see a film that has torture as it’s central theme then I don’t want realism. If I wanted that I would just turn on the news. What I liked about the first Hostel was that Paxton does escape and get some kind of revenge on his tormentors. It was not a scary film and usually I don’t like gore horror films too much as they are just usually aimed at 14 yr olds but I liked the style with which Hostel was made.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Pet Hostel

    by Kloipy

    things are gonna get ruff

  • June 5, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    "Faced!"

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    That's my favourite thing Roth has done so far. Or maybe the bit about gay squirrels. I don't know why, but I laughed for an hour about that.<p>Anyway, I think this Eli Roth has some talent, but I would prefer he use it to make comedies. He'd be good at that.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    This is a joke

    by NachoNegro

    5 stories about Hostel II on the front page? 5???? Harry blatantly stating "Yes I am Roth's schill"??? It's been a long time since there's been anything 'cool' here. This site is a joke - not just with the average joes, but more importantly throughout the entire film industry. It's well known that AICNs review are up for sale, and that's sad. Very sad. Personally, I'm looking forward to Indiana Jones IV. That, to me, is a 'cool' film, that warrants attention. But not a dicky bird on this site. Instead, we get 5 pieces on the front page, about a film where a screaming 25 year old naked girl is bled out slowly while hung upside down, where a man gets his genitals cut off and fed to a dog, and where 2 school children play football with a freshly severed head. Not for me, thanks. Enjoy jacking off to these scenes. There is more out there if you want it - I'm sure you'll find some real snuff out there once you're completely desensitized to Roths particular brand of fantasy torture. Meanwhile, I'm off to a site that actually writes about *films*, rather than putting 5 stories on the front page about a talentless hack who happens to be mates with the sites owner.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    that's fine buffalo

    by Kloipy

    It's just the fact that I've been into horror movies since I was a kid and just to hear all the hype and then to be so let down just sucks. I love gore in movies, but I also like atmosphere, plot, and character development. If Eli was going for "look at how naive american's are and how they should never travel because they are rude arrogant pricks" than I might understand it a little better. But we are supposed to root for a character who doesn't even seem realistic. If this movie was an allegory saying that American's torture the world with their presence and yet they still survive, it might make me see it differently (an even worse way) but it's not.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    FUCK HOSTEL

    by PwnedByStallone

    And the pimping continues on AICN

  • June 5, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    "Intelligence he brings to the genre???"

    by PwnedByStallone

    You really are a fucking idiot Massawyrm.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Oh, damn, I forgot to put in a Lebowski quote

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Here's two:<p>"I don't need your fuckin' sympathy, man, I need my fucking johnson!"<p>"Walter, he peed on my rug!"

  • June 5, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    lebowski

    by Kloipy

    Chinaman is not the preffered nomenclature, dude.

  • June 5, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    I see the pussies are hijacking another Hostel TB...

    by bongo123

    why dont you all fuck off and watch your disney movies and leave the blood and guts to those who dont run crying to mummy over some claret

  • June 5, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    positive reviews...

    by dengreg31

    "4 reviews up at Rotten Tomatoes... All 4 positive. Bloody-Disgusting has posted their official review today, also positive." The 4 reviews are from IGN, Pop Syndicate and two guys who live with their parents... Bloody Disgusting liked the film? We'll be back on "Most Obvious Things in the History of Mankind" right after these messages... Seriously, enough about this film already guys... It's great that people that work for the site dig it. Most of the rest of us don't. Greg denvertvguy.com

  • June 5, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    bongo will be happy

    by Kloipy

    when he gets to see a 3 year old girl get the skin slowly peeled from her tear soaked face, as she screams and someone laughs at her while crushing the face of her favorite pet kitten

  • June 5, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Right you are, bongo123

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I'll get going now, then. Clearly, this is a place for mature types. Sophisticated filmgoers and whatnot. I lack the intellect to converse on an equal level and am just dragging everyone down with these quotes from The Big Lebowski. What did I think I was doing?<p>Plus, also, work is over for the day...<p>"I'll tell you what I'm blathering about... I've got information, man! New shit has come to light!"

  • June 5, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Isn't it funny how so many HOSTEL haters just LOVE to

    by TORTURE PWN

    think up clever ways to abuse a child while trying to bash it?I guess we can see where YOUR minds are.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    bongo123

    by Chilli815

    What Franklin said. That 'if you don't like it then bah gawd you can get the Heck out' crap never had much merit.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    The upside dwon scene is the opening scene of the movie

    by emeraldboy

    is where heather Matarazzo is naked from top to bottom and for a split second it looks she is standing on the ground. then roth turns the camera around and she is suspended feet first from the ceiling. Then the torture begins. If you wanna see what this looks like. go to www.darkhorizons.com. k bye

  • June 5, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    TORTURE PWN

    by Chilli815

    I think the extreme haters and extreme lovers both suck to be frank. The rest of us are trying to get a decent debate going to amuse ourselves. Shame y'all refuse to see any merit in the points the middle ground crew are making.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    also..

    by dengreg31

    not every review is "positive"... http://www.thehotbutton.com

  • June 5, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    it's not funny! It's HILARIOUS!!!!

    by Kloipy

    I'm not a "hater" as you call it. why don't you guys just watch the guinea pig movies? Flowers of Flesh and Blood ought to do it for you. Horrible shit goes on in the world every single day, what's the point of watching someone get drilled or their penis cut off? Why don't we justify actual murder like that? Oh well, i thought it would be cool to see it in real life so i fucking killed some people. I love horror movies and I've seen some gorey shit, but all I'm saying is that these movies aren't good. they are boring, not scary, and what good does it do to glorify these films. It's not better than half of the stuff out there. If you like it, that's cool.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I AM the middle ground.

    by TORTURE PWN

    I don't LOVE HOSTEL.I DO think it's an O.K. horror movie,though.There aren't too many of the "Eli Rules" crowd on here really.It's mainly a bunch of flame from haters bent on badmouthing a movie by insulting those who see it for what it is...A MOVIE.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    torture

    by Kloipy

    I've wanted to like Eli since Cabin Fever (which i thought was ok) the I saw Hostel and thought he wasted the potential of that movie. He seems like he loves the genre and that is great. I just have yet to see something from him that impresses me. Someday it may come that he makes a scary as hell film. He hasn't yet. Just because you think up the sickest shit possible doesn't make it scary or good. I mean a lot of the shit I've heard promoted for this movie is like "guys, you are gonna freak out when you see what I got away with" or "the KNB guys couldn't even be in the room when I did this" that's just publicity that does not make up for a bad story and characters.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Attn: Roth Haters

    by cyanide christ

    I know I'm going to get blasted with hate on this one, but oh well. I really feel that all of the criticism aimed at Roth is completely unwarranted. You complain that he gets too much coverage on this site and that may very well be true but you know what? He is making some of the best horror films out there and since he is still young, he has plenty of time to get even better at it. What is so different about his films that makes him worse than other horror directors that get praised daily? He gives you gore, he gives you nudity, he gives you an arsenal of different ways to die! Those are the foundations of many "classic" horror films. I think that you guys hate him because he is roughly the same age as you and is making the types of films that you wish you were making instead of delivering pizzas and jerking off to Anime porn (I'm not knocking on either of those. I love pizza and masturbation, but I loves my horror films more).

  • June 5, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    MovieCityNews Says ROTH NOT HUMAN

    by Fartgod The IRSTard

    from moviecitynew.com... Late in the evening, just before going to sleep, I went on MCN and saw, again, the story about Hostel II being pirated and being on the streets. This reminded me that I had bought a copy of the film - at least I assumed so - in Seattle when a guy with a photo bag was walking past me on a busy shopping street calling out gently, 'Movies ... I got movies.' I found the disc in some shopping bag and threw it in my room's DVD player. Indeed, the $5 DVD - not in a case, as it has often been in NY, but with a handwritten Sharpie and a flimsy little sleeve - was the already infamous in-house copy of Hostel II. I wrote the confirmation up in the blog and was ready to get back to bed and sleep. And then I thought, 'I hated the first movie, though I didn't find it all that horrible ... a long jerk off ... I can fast forward though this one and never have to think or write about it again.' So I started watching, in spite of writing in the blog that I wasn't going to. I got through about 30 minutes ... three girls touring Europe ... a hot Eurobabe who invites them to the Hostel ... minor skirmishes with guys on the train ... yadda yadda yadda ... Somewhere around an hour, the inevitable turn. The girls are sold over the internet for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Men will soon come and do whatever they want to do with them, invariably leading to death. This is the lovely premise of this idiotic horror porn franchise. (Last time the guys were sold.) The girls get separated. The third act has begun. And then, I watched a scene that was the most disgusting, degrading, misogynistic, soulless shit I have ever seen in a movie that is going to be released widely in this country. If this is a spoiler for you, I am sorry for you. Heather Matarazzo, who you might know from Welcome to the Dollhouse, The Princess Diaries or a number of other films, is hung upside down, naked, bound and gagged over a pool that slowly has candles lit around it as she screams through her gag throughout. Then a beautiful European woman comes in, disrobes, lays in the tub, and starts toying with the screaming Matarazzo with a long handled sickle. She starts to draw blood and also starts getting off on it. She eventually removes the gag so Matarazzo can beg more pathetically and then cuts her throat, bathing and luxuriating in the blood as it pores over here. And at that moment, for me, this was no longer just about a stupid, masturbatory, poorly directed shit piece of horror porn. Eli Roth became a little less human to me. You have to remember, this is a movie. Not only did Eli Roth come up with this inhuman idea that has no meaning whatsoever other than his masturbatory fantasies about raising the bar. Shame on the L.A. Times for allowing him to ramble on about how there is a political subtext to his work. Utter bullshit. Of course, based on the story that ran in the Sunday Times, the paper did the piece without seeing this irredeemable embarrassment or, presumably, the new film would have been mentioned. And not only did he think of this, but he hung an actress, however willing, upside down and naked, gagged and bound, screaming, as nothing but a piece of objectified meat as Roth's camera moves her breasts in and out of frame like some sort of sick porn tease. This is not the first time a director has done something horrible to an actress, but as the scene dragged on, I felt as though I was watching Ms. Matarazzo being raped on a spiritual level. This director did not identify with her as a human in the scene ... she is just the target for a bloody gag. And then, like the truly sick punk he is, he made a woman do the dirty work in the scene. All said and done, the only person in the film who actually ends up sexually gratified by torture is a woman. There are others who seem to be going there. But this is the one fully executed torture/murder in the film. And just for fun, the woman gets to be naked too. (I would name the 'actress,' but I have no idea which character name is hers and I am not going to watch the scene again to find out.) I never did respect Roth's work. Now, if he and I crossed paths, I would refuse to shake his hand. I would extinguish the fire if he was burning, using something quicker than urine, but I'm not sure that I wouldn't consider it karmic payback for him. In fact, the work was not nearly as graphic as what I saw in Lake of Fire. But it was so without purpose that it sickened me to my core. There is more stupidity in the film. Using a chainsaw with an aim to cut up Bijou Phillips, clever Roth uses the old "corded electric appliance that pulls out of the wall just in time" gag but the chainsaw doesn't lose power soon enough as half of her face has the skin ripped off. Ha ha! This disgusting moment sends the man who does it running out of the room in disgust. He's eaten by dogs because he refuses to finish the kill. Hardy har har. And in a classic act of an idiot rationalizing their idiocy, the third girl is a multimillionaire (second act info that makes clear that a twist is coming) who flips the script on her would-be killer and then proceeds to cut his penis off with what seems to be a hedge clipper. More fun! Of course, there is little chance that this completely graphic act will make the R-rated release of the film because penises are more harshly rated by the MPAA than breasts and butts and skin removal. I guess Roth thinks that penis removal somehow balances the score. It doesn't, in great part because he plays it for shock laughs, while he treats the women like meat. In fact, I have no idea what will actually be in the release print of this film. But if there is anything close to what I saw in what was an internal version of the film, it should never have gotten an R. Moreover, I would expect this film, which is much more graphic and abusive than anything in any of the Saw movies or other horror porn released theatrically in America, to become the start of a very serious attack on Hollywood violence by the right wing. And sadly, it is impossible to defend except on a pure First Amendment basis. And let me be clear ... I think Rob Zombie is far more clever in doing the very graphic work he does. Peter Jackson's films are graphic, but not nasty in the way this film is. The Descent is an exercise in style and has limited value for me, but I see why it is embraced by some. Even Wayne Kramer's Running Scared, which featured cute child molesting murderers for no reason, is not as disgusting and meaningless as this grotesquerie. I had similar feelings about Wolf Creek, but I have to say ... it's not nearly as offensive as this thing. Why? Because it doesn't treat the subject as a joke. I have no need to see a relentless serial killer with no subtext of any interest in Wolf Creek. But the comedy version of Wolf Creek ... I really have a hard time finding the words. Grindhouse? A cartoon in comparison. Tarantino can be self-indulgent, but he actually seems to like women, and his characters don't do the darkest things they do without any human reason. We can fight about whether the little girl walking in after Uma kills her mommy is manipulative or brilliant or both ... but it is human. Hostel 2, particularly that scene, is not. I'm sure I will get a lot of e-mail and there will be a lot of talk on the blog defending this film. There always is. And I say, there is a line. This is a film that Lionsgate should be embarrassed about releasing. I have never said that before. I am not a cranky old man. I am not someone who says that there is anything that shouldn't be in a film, if there is a purpose. A Clockwork Orange is one of my very favorite films and it is still one of the most spiritually violent films ever made. No one fought harder for Fight Club and its ultimate message of finding your best self, in spite of the very eye catching violence. But this ... Lionsgate, as you might expect, isn't embarrassed ... at least, not publicly. When I arrived home from Seattle, there was a box (a few days old) with an expensive cut of meat sent from New York, a series of postcards - including one of Matarazzo hanging upside down, neither gagged nor bloody - and both notepads and a bandana with some form of bloody body parts that seem to include organs. I am not amused. I really like a lot of the people at Lionsgate. They are bright and talented and really well intended. This is the distributor of Grizzly Man and Deliver Us From Evil and Harvey Weinstein's too-hot-for-signatory films. But I am disgusted with the company for releasing the film and I will be disgusted if critics and writers and even crazy right wing talk show hosts don't stand up and do more than dismiss this as 'another one of those.' There must be a line in this world and Hostel II crosses it at the more basic level of humanity.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    The Talbackers Confuse Me

    by Fartgod The IRSTard

    After the failure of Snakes Up My Butt and future success of Transformers some of you guys still think you matter? Harry will pimp this shit out of his friend's film till Sat. When it comes in sixth place and fails then he will pretend he never liked it.He will then move on to supporting friend Desanto and Transformers. Then Hellboy 2. Etc.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Roth and Hostel...

    by lazynogoodnic

    If Roth and his fans, a more ignorant group there has never been, just stopped calling his work "horror" and admitted that it's torture porn, I'd like the guy a lot more. I'm not some pussy who "is afraid of gore or pain". I love zombie movies, and a big part of it is they admit to being what they are. Hell, no one really calls a zombie movie a "horror" film any more. So what makes Hostel any different from a zombie movie? It isn't self aware. The film, the director, and the fans think it is horror. In actuality, the general premise is horrifying, but that horror gets lost well before the principle photography ever begins. Yes, it is only a movie. No shit. But it is, in the end, a shitty movie. I hate people who hide behind "It's just a movie", as if that is any justification for it being a stupid waste of money. "Just a movie" doesn't mean a film should get away with being a poorly conceived idea that makes money on hype or gallons of stage-blood alone. That's just fucking retarded. Hell, if Roth actually left the idea in the oven until it was fully cooked, I'd eat Hostel up and demand he make more. But, like M. Night, he just finds satisfaction with making an interesting basic premise. Who needs interesting characters or any of that "pointless shit"; right?

  • June 5, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    The Upside Down Scene

    by CountZero

    I watched the clip on some other site and all I could think (aside from how fucked up Eli Roth is for conceiving of that scene and fetishizing it) was "what the fuck kind of self-respecting woman would even agree to do that scene??" I don't understand it at all. I like to think that if I was a woman and given that script I'd hurl it back in Roth's face, no matter how desperate I was for a role.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    If Hostel 2 is twice as good as the original

    by Mooly

    It would still be twice as terrible as the average movie. If you ask me there is definitely something wrong with people who mistake gore and torture for horror or tension. Not because they get off on the sick, bloody and extreme violence...but because they are so willing to continue funding shit that we're all forced to put up with more crap like hostel being made. Too me, that is even more disturbing than the fact they get off on the violence.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    I honestly can't see what the problem is...

    by bongo123

    Sure it’s violent, bloody and to some people downright distasteful, but it’s no worse than anything that can be found over at stileproject or any other numerous sickosites. So what a guy makes a movie about torture and throws in some tits.. Big deal, you don’t like it, you don’t watch it. Would you rather him make hostel and for it to be censored? Or would you rather that filmmakers in general not push the envelope or explore other themes of horror and instead churn out the usual teen slasher shite we get each and every year. I’m all for Eli's take on Horror, I like my horror to frighten the shit out of me or make me wince like a kid in disgust.. Why? because its horror, its not Disney, its not Spielberg, its meant to be gruesome and or scary and I applaud Eli for actually doing something original even though it is pretty fucking risqué at least he's turning it up a notch unlike the majority of horror filmmakers

  • June 5, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    And you guys read waaaaay to much into Movies

    by bongo123

    after all its a fucking film, just like transformers is a popcorn flick, they're only movies and each one entertains different people and besides these are no worse than say Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer or Man bites Dog

  • June 5, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    And another thing, so what if AICN has Eli's Cock

    by bongo123

    all over the front page, this site does not belong to you, you are a guest in harry's house and if he chooses to pimp the fuck outa his friends movies thats his call, dont like it, go somewhere else... fucking sick and tired of hearing all this "sold out" shite, we'd all do the same thing for our mates...

  • June 5, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    its online if you want to watch a rough cut of it

    by bouncing1

    i dont know why you would though honestly. its not very good. you can only be shocked for so long, before nothing shocks you anymore. anyone hear of marilyn manson after 9-11? no. because we found something scarier to be afraid of. eli may be a swell guy,but to me he'll always be a backyard filmmaker.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    don't have a problem with the subject

    by Kloipy

    it's just that Hostel isn't scary, or groundbreaking, tense, entertaining. He isn't delving into new territory. He's not the first person to put torture into a movie. It's not even about that, it's just the fact that these movies aren't good. The idea of the film is so much scarier than the film itself. Eli dropped the ball. I know he was going for the Miike take on horror. But he did it wrong. Audition, is a perfect example of how to build tension and to provide fright. The torture in that movie is much more scary than in Hostel, because we like the main character. We are invested in the plot of the story. We aren't just waiting to see him get killed. We don't want him to die. And the whole scene is just terrifying. Hostel just had no plot and a lot of nothing happening for over an hour and then, BAM, here's a drill to the chest. That's not suspenseful. It's just like the retarded SAW movies. People just go to see them to see people killed in new horrible ways. What a waste of money.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Kloipy,I assume your post (torture) was directed to me

    by TORTURE PWN

    I understand y0our point.I too thought CABIN FEVER was O.K..I also think there's plenty of room for Roth to grow.I guess our main difference,based on the beef you stated,is that I don't really give much creedence to what Roth says while pimping his film or to Lions Gate's marketing methods.Taken for what it is,it's not that bad,but I do think the marketing (Roth's self promotion included)is a little overboard.All it's doing is setting people inclined to watch this sort of stuff for "shock value" up for a let down and giving "the haters" fuel for their "torture porn" arguments.In reality it falls somewhere in between.It isn't the greatest horror film of all time.It's FAR from being the worst.And it certainly isn't the end of civilization.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    lazynogoodnic

    by the darkman

    That's just great rational grouping all his fans in one lumb. That's just a preposterous statement. You should rethink that statement because your assuming, and you very well know what that does.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    bongo123

    by Chilli815

    Just reading about the upside down scene makes me physically cringe. That's just a fucked up scene.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    torture pwn

    by Kloipy

    I agree with you. It's not the end of civilization, it's also not the worst horror film ever made either. Like you said it's in between. Thing is, I don't need to see the same plot rehashed in 20 different movies. It's just like all the Scream wannabe's and then the pg-13, quick moving ghost movies. Now it's the sadistic torture film. I'm not saying Roth is to blame for all of this. I'm just saying I don't think we needed a Hostel part 2, I don't think we needed 3 or 4 Saw movies, we don't need Choas, or Captivity, or LHOTL remake. It just lends itself to uncreative hacks to push shit that people buy into because they think it's gonna blow there minds until the next one comes out. I just want something fresh that doesn't have to be duplicated 1000 times

  • June 5, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I have no interest in this.

    by jrbarker

    I don't know why. A movie about torturing people just doesn't sound like fun.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    These movies are another example of...

    by duct tape wallet

    just because you can doesn't mean you should.

  • June 5, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I Give Up

    by Rebeck3

    Sick fucks everywhere unite! Eli Roth is brilliant, a genius... That's what I want from a movie: new and innovative ways to watch people suffer and die sloooowly. That's entertainment! Enjoy! I won't post anymore "whining" and I'll just be glad that I don't understand it at all.

  • June 5, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    lunch time

    by Kloipy

    bbs

  • June 5, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    So, this film is about the darkside of capitalism...

    by Bones

    So, this film is about the dark side of capitalism...<p> It shows businessmen so bored or minimalized by their own lives that they feel they can justify paying people to torture and murder people in front of their eyes. They are so disassociated from empathy and basic human emotions that they will watch anything...because they have the power. They are the Ubermench, the Masters of the Universe, so long as they can control the pain and life of another person.<p> It is fucking sick.<p> The funny thing is they represent every sick-fuck batshit crazy people who watch this movie, pay money to support it and Eli Roth himself. He know what he is doing, but he doesn't care. Is there are message hidden among the blood? Is he talking about how power corrupts, how people will do or watch anything to make their lives feel better? Is he critiquing his audience? Possibly...but he is still making money off torturing his audience with his drivel.<p> Enjoy your movie, you sick fucks.<p> Massawyrm, enjoy hurting squirrels, or whatever you do with your spare time.<p> Why do you like this shit? Why do I hate it so much?

  • June 5, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    You're right,Kloipy.

    by TORTURE PWN

    There will be a flood of ripoffs and most of them WILL suck.But that's just the way it is.The only thing that counts is the $ where Hollywood's concerned.Like you said,Roth isn't to blame.All he did was try something different.Those that come after should be the ones receiving the heat.And not on the grounds of "immorality" or being disgusting,but for lack of creativity.

  • June 5, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    your not to smart bones!

    by the darkman

    so your implying that everyone who goes to see Hostel 2 is a sick fuck, or that something is wrong with those people. Get a life man!! you sound like you have some sort of agenda like some of those assholes on tv about violence in cinema. Movies don't make people do sick shit, people make people do sick shit. That's all there is to it. Now go back to your political chat rooms.

  • June 5, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    My fear

    by Kloipy

    This is what I fear for the future generation. I am not for censorship by any means. I think to censor something, just because it offends, it just as morally wrong as the thing they are fighting. Who is to tell us what we can and can't say, or think, or believe. The only thing is though, is that because of this full barrage of horrific films, and scenes of murder on the news and such, the kids growing up right now will become completely desenitized to violence in all aspects. The vision will blur between the horror in a film and the horror in real life. I know people who love seeing Faces of Death, because it's so "fucking awesome". What is awesome about seeing a real human die? Nothing. I don't care about horror movies and gore. Oh well. It is only a movie as people here have said. I love horror movies. But there is going to come a time where nothing scares us anymore, and murder is so commenplace that no one will care how brutal and shocking, and thus it will become more acceptable. Just like people trying to justify war. We supposedly defend "freedom" by murder. And now it's just a blip on the tv sceen, in between Paris Hilton goes to Jail and the newest reality show. Movies like Hostel and Wolf Creek ect. should not be viewed as "cool" or "amazing" they should be viewed as vile, horrifying, terrible. Just for the main fact that torture isn't cool. Just ask the people of Rawanda, or Vietnam Veteran's if they think torture is cool. These movies shouldn't be meant to entertain. They should be made as a wake up call, and fully realistic as to show the true beast of human nature in order to put an end to it

  • June 5, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I agree that a desensitized generation is an issue..

    by rbatty024

    but I think it needs to be addressed by parents and a decent rating system. I used to substitute teach and when I asked a bunch of third graders what their favorite movies were a surprising number of them shouted out answers like South Park: The Movie or The Bride of Chucky. This was third grade! These kids undoubtably would not understand the implication of what's up on the screen. When I saw Pirates 3 a woman had brought a baby into the theater. Certainly the infant had no clue what was going on but who knows what the mother is going to let her child see when she is five or six. It's also absurd that a film can receive an R rating because someone drops the F bomb twice and because it has the violence of Grindhouse. The rating system is far from objective or useful. It needs a complete overhaul because it is not informing parents. I'm against censorship but I do want parents to be as informed as possible so that the few who actually feel like parenting can make responsible decisions.

  • June 5, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I can't believe this site

    by emptystan

    Their pimping of this film is beyond belief, it’s embarrassing. And as far as everyone who sees this being "a sick fuck" well, that's just not true. I won't and have no desire to. Eli Roth pretty well cemented his place in my mind after that Thanksgiving trailer. I thought parts of it were brilliantly funny and spot on parody of the 70s & 80s slasher films, but in that short piece he pretty well locked in how misogynistic he really is. Sure, sometimes a knife is just a knife, but when a woman does splits onto one while stripping the message seems clear. Not to mention stuffing a woman as a turkey, great to see her legs above her head like that and the killer mock fucking the head in the last shot... well ok then. Horror films and splatter fests have always had a misogynistic element, but I don't think it's brings "intelligence" to the genre when you embrace it and the cliché’s that go with it. Eli Roth has clearly set the links in his works between extreme violence and sexual gratification through his films and what he's said about them. His “get-off on it” comments are on this site. So maybe the people that see this aren’t sick fucks, but he’s got some issues. Instead of his faux excuse that’s it’s political or explores the dark side of capitalism, how about actually doing that? How about actually exploring the effects of violence on the victim in the long term or a major reversal that turn the protagonist into the antagonist in such a way that we no long fear for them and see their acts as revenge, but rather we fear them as they lose control, becoming worse than their captors. Then add some tits and blood because apparently that’s what puts asses in seats. Oh, and by the way, that hanging upside down scene… Elizabeth Bathory. Not very original at all, google her.

  • June 5, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    and censorship

    by emptystan

    And by the way, I'm not for censorship, let them make films. I'm for resposible informed parents but that may be a bit too much to ask.

  • June 5, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    It's not the movies. It's not the MPAA. ..

    by TORTURE PWN

    It's the parents.Period.End of story.World without end,Amen.

  • June 5, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    That's a good argument

    by Kloipy

    But parents should know that taking their 6 year old to see a R movie is a dumb idea in the first place. Some parents just don't care though. This woman at my work thinks it's ok to let her 3 year old grandson watch horror movies with her. I think that it's appaling. Kids should have at least a couple of years of innocence of that sort of thing. Everyone is different I guess. I mean I can't talk to much because I started watching horror movies at a young age myself. Like Torture Pwn said earlier it's all about making money, and that's what it comes down to. They sell this stuff to kids and they say that the tabacco companies are the evil ones

  • June 5, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Once again...

    by cheezwhipper

    I'm not feeling all alone. And, yeah, Lionsgate is grossing me out with the promotion, too. <p> Anyone notice that the last five or six cover-girls on Stuff magazine have been promoting HUGE bombs. It's like the kiss of death. But that Bijou sure is pretty.

  • June 5, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    "...so off the fucking hook that it's ridiculous."

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Is that supposed to be ironic?

  • June 5, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Hostel 5: The Jerusalem Trip

    by lost.rules

    Jesus and his pals go backpacking around the desert. Only to find that the Romans have other plans for them....

  • June 5, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Thank you emptystan for calling the Thanksgiving...

    by rbatty024

    trailer what it is. I mentioned that I found it mysogyinist back when it was posted online and people didn't seem to understand my point. Too bad because there were some funny bits, like the "blood" scene. Overall it was ruined by Roth's hatred of women. Go see a shrink and keep your high school rejection off the screen.

  • June 5, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Remember when horror movies used to be good?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I think it's safe to say that 20 years down the line nobody will be remaking Cabin Fever or Hostel.

  • June 5, 2007, noon CST

    TORTURE PWN

    by NachoNegro

    It's not the movies. It's not the MPAA. It's not even the parents. It's YOU. You're the sick piece of sh1t who jacks off to this garbage every night. Don't try to deflect this issues on to anyone else. The reality is that you are responsible for your actions, no-one else, and every night you spend furiously masturbating to a realistic scene of a young girl being horribly tortured, is a night where a little more of what humanity you had in the first place bleeds away. You disgust me.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Its funny how

    by tehgreekhammer

    after the near unanimous negativity towards this POS by the talkbackers on this site, all of a sudden an avalanche of Roth supporters have popped up to defend this crap. <p> whatever. <p> Id rather watch Transformers twice in a row than waste any more of my life watching anything this hack does. <p> Hopefully he gets booted off of Cell.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Hah,NachoNegro!

    by TORTURE PWN

    You're just pissed because I exposed your stupidity yesterday of equating violence to adults in film to violence against children in film.Who's masturbating?All it is is a movie.And it's kind of funny,this fixation on masturbation of yours.Is that the first place (or second,after child abuse)your feeble mind goes?Let me guess your one of those guys who masturbate to their own shame.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Torture Pwn

    by Rebeck3

    Apart from the debate, and I don't know what you're like in real life, mate, but you should be aware that on these TB's you come off like a real 5-star dick of the highest order. I mean, a real asshole. Even the people who agree with you would probably tell you that. Back when this debate was civil and rational, you just started calling people names and lowering the discourse if you will. If you're so sure you're right about this film and all "Torture Porn", then why do you sound so threatened and defensive...and frankly, hysterical.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    I think what really upsets a lot of people...

    by rbatty024

    isn't necessarily the violence itself but how it's used. It's artistically clumsy and all of the claims of a "moral" are pretty thin. Hosetl doesn't actually scare anyone. It may gross you out at times or even make you jump but it doesn't hold the power to scare you once you leave the theater, which is the mark of a great horror film.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by Kloipy

    he was being quite civil to me. I don't think he's a dick. You are just being hypocritical to say that. Go back and read this whole tb and you'll see just as many people who without warning come on and call people who liked this movie "sick fucks" and such. It's on both sides. Just because his opinion is different doesn't make him automatically a "dick". I mean if something I liked or believed in was being trashed, I'm sure I would become a little defensive myself

  • June 5, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Bored to death?

    by Xanthos Samurai

    Was anyone else BORED during the original Hostel? I like horror movies and I like gore and everything and when the "horror" actually started in Hostel, I enjoyed it, but I remember being bored out of my mind until all that started. I guess what I'm curious about is if there's the same drawn out "waiting period" before the fun starts in Hostel II.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    You know what would be cool?

    by xevoid

    Here's a non-hack idea. A movie about an auteur horror director who makes torture porn movies being eventually found responsible for a series of murders in various metropolitan areas across the country where his films are due to open. <br><br><br>Every time one of his films is due to open, a few days before, as the director goes on press junkets, naked, bound mutilated, tortured prostitures are found in unusual places. No one suspects the director.<br><br><br>Think about it...it could be a cool idea if pulled off properly. I mean seriosuly, we know that there are a lot of sick people out there who broadcast their intentions through sick "fantasies" and when they explode, like the Cho Seung-Hui in Virginia, everyone looks at his writings and say, "Yeah, I saw that one coming." <br><br><br>Now we have a director who is giving nothing good to the world, and basically exploring all manner of sadism in his films for sadisms sake. Isn't it reasonable to question wheather or not this person is genuinely sick in the head? Seriously.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Go Read The Other Talkbacks, Kloipy

    by Rebeck3

    Torture Pwn has made it his mission in life to call everyone who objects to this material just "Roth Haters" (which grossly overestimates Roth's fame, I know nothing about the guy) and "pussies". And when he was given a good argument, he just avoided it and went back ad hominem attacks. I tried to debate this coolly, but it seems that's impossible.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    hostel part 2 is by far the worst sequel...ever

    by TheHorror

    For these reasons - It takes 40mins for Eli Roth to tell us a whole lot about nothing, seriously. Nothing happens, the characters are very thin , the script is boring and it looks like shit - there's no inspired shots anywhere. All this talk of him being an "artist" and "maturing" when all he's done uis take the Hostel script off his computer, changed the names of the characters and their death scenes went onto set and went O.K someone shout HOSTEL! when we start saying the exact same stuff as Hostel, remember this is Hostel Part 2 and FEmales. This is by far the worst sequel I have EVER seen and I, like everyone, have seen some bad ones. The guys at AICN must've been like "Fuck sake Eli", we said we'd back you up but you've gotta try and meet us half way here!" It's a shit film and should not be viewed by anyone. Fuck Harry for raming it down our throats, fuck eli roth for making such shit and thinking we'll just lap it up because he's Eki Roth and most of all fuck this film!

  • June 5, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by Kloipy

    I'm sure he's not to blame as well. But look how many people on this site do the same thing. The TB's aren't exactly what I'd call a civil group of people. I'm as much to blame as anyone. I know i've said some dumb shit on here before. But so has everyone. It shouldn't be about pointing fingers or placing blame. We should just try to at least justifying our beliefs with something other than "fuck you"

  • June 5, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Bloody Disgusting

    by TheHorror

    They gave it 3 out of 5, which in my mind is actually quite a statement of saying it's complete and utter misery. They had all kinds of access to the film just like this fucked up site and they gave it 3 out of 5 - an ok score, not to be rude to roth as they might want the same kind of access to cell but enough to let fans know that this film is balls. Fuck it!

  • June 5, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Fuck you and fuck AICN.

    by C Legion

    The way you guys are whoring stuff is just too much now. I really like this site, I visit nearly every day, but I've had enough of this nonsense where you promote the films your friends make at the expense of your integrity. Really, where is your dignity? Harry gets respect from me for making this site happen, but he's a fucking sell out, everyone knows it, his opinion on film is now worthless. It seems more and more of you are selling your souls, it's a disgrace. Now, what's the remedy? Get Stallone back here, we need some honesty and true film love, not bullshit cocksuckers like Elicuntfuckwhateverthefuckhisnameiscunt.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    do you remember the 80's

    by the darkman

    there were many movies that used violence, and gore as a way to shock an audience. Now if you have a problem with Hostel then you must certainly have a problem with all of those movies that used violence to shock because it didn't have much else going for it. I'll bet my money that many of you have seen the movies I speak of. What's your thoughts on them? I mean you like to bash Roth so let's open it up to all those directors in the 80's that did the same thing. This arguement is so old, and really it's been the same for a very long time. Parents if they choose to do so can have an impact on what their children watch, end of story. If they choose not to then that's also their choice. Violence for the sake of violence is nothing new in movies, and it will go on forever. There's enough information out there for the real parents to make good choices for their childrens movie watching. You would have to be a complete moron to believe in this day, and age that if a parent really wants to decide what's right for their kids, and can't do it then it's just plain their fault. Hell it's easier for the kids to just turn on the news to see violence with everything the news stations are showing now. People who blame movies are people who just want attention,and are making excuses because they don't want to blame the real problem.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Eli got me. He got me good.

    by BGDAWES

    So....so gay.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    TORTURE PWN

    by NachoNegro

    You're right. I'm p1ssed. You completely 'pwned' me. You analyzed my argument completely, deconstructed it in a manner that would have had Socrates himself slack-jawed in awe, and then delivered a riposte of such mind-numbing brilliance that it would have acquitted Jack the Ripper. Oh, no.... wait a second. Strike that. Reverse it. I've got that wrong. No, what actually happened is this - you completely failed to understand my point in any respect whatsoever, then delivered a riposte of such stunning ineptitude that it would make the ruminations of an ape seem enlightened. Then, whilst your nurses delivered your daily spongebath and wiped the drool from your chin, you proceeded to spasmodically type endless reams of inane stream of consciousness drivel that only served to reveal your position as one of the most totally retarded talkbackers in the history of this site. And that's saying something. Yes, that was it.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Ah,should have expected Rebeck to pop up to defend

    by TORTURE PWN

    his buddy Nacho.Just like yesterday.Who's "threatened & defensive"?The guy who says this movie is just a fucking movie(that would be me)or the guys who think a little film like HOSTEL is some kind of link to the decay & destruction of morality and civilizaton,much like the so called "moral majority".If someone,like Nacho or you want to make extreme & reactionary (and even personal) statements over a fucking fictional MOVIE,you have the right to do so.However I,and others also reserve the right to defend the rights of people to see whatever film they choose as long as it is legal to do so.But to some of you who would rather imagine me masturbating than making a valid point of your own,I should tell you that my penis is probably much larger than the one you picture.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Kloipy

    by Rebeck3

    I agree, but if you look back at the last TB on this subject, it really did start out very civil and smart. The debate was about movies and styles of violence and censorship and that's great - I don't expect people to agree with me on everything - but then people like TP and Spazzwhateverhisname came on and just started trashing the whole thing, calling everyone fags and pussies and all this crap. Who needs that? Things may get heated sometimes, but when assholes like that come in with their dials already turned to 11, forget it. It's pointless and it just highlights that they have nothing of value to add to the discussion.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Who's masturbating now,Nacho?

    by TORTURE PWN

    Hope you don't get paper cuts on your weenie from that thesaurus!

  • June 5, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    is edwige the one in the tub?

    by blonde redhead

    'cause then that would rock. edwige fenech--still hotter than fuck at who knows how old. i know it's all about erzebet but i'll guess eli first got the idea for it from immoral tales--paloma picasso did it in borowczyk's film and i'd think he got it from there, being a film buff.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Did I ever tell you guys...

    by TheHorror

    that I'm a millionaire - just to let you know, might come up later or something. I'm really not into killing anyone either so fuck knows why I'd fly all the way to Slovakia just to do such a thing, but then again I really do hate my wife and might turn into the Hulk if I see a picture of her, just to let you know - it might come up later, I dunno. Also if I was wanting to kill a girl I'd get my men to chase her through some woods and then I'd rescue her, take her to my gaff, then to the place where she'll get tortured - no reason, it's just what I do, I also like shooting kids cos they fuck around w/ my business, a really global, smoothly run business...that relies on bubblegum kids to get people and has ONE HOSTEL in europe and let's people go that clearly can't be trusted cos' they have a shit load of cash, I never think to take the money and then kill 'em. Damn, I hope they don't kill my hot assistant. FUCK THIS FILM

  • June 5, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I don't blame movies

    by Kloipy

    I blame human nature. We live in such a selfish society where we would stab each other in the back for a dollar. it's just disgusting, the shit that we do to each other. Maybe we should take less time worrying about what we can put in a film to shock or entertain people. And put a little more time into enlightening people the brutal way in which we treat each other. Maybe we should spend less time in the theater and more time helping others. I'm not trying to sound like pansy. I understand that we can't end violence. But maybe we should spend more time trying to uplift the human spirit instead of break it down to the point where watching people die is our entertainment. There is so much we could accomplish by helping each other out. No one understands what life is about. We have no clue. But wouldn't it be much better to live in a world where we worked together instead of fearing each other?

  • June 5, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    When Did I Say...

    by Rebeck3

    People shouldn't be allowed to see this movie? Point me to that post. And when did I say it would lead to the moral destruction of the world? Again you're giving this film and Roth too much credit. I'm just disgusted by it and disgusted with the way AICN is hyping this kind of thin. That's my opinion.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I say again...

    by Mr Gorilla

    WE HAVE NO INTELLIGENCE! WE HAVE NO INTELLIGENCE!

  • June 5, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Kloipy

    by Rebeck3

    I'm much more optimistic about human nature than you are...I'm just pessimistic about the state of movies, LOL. Oh boy am I. No, one of the reasons I object to this movie is the ridiculously nihilistic premise that people would pay to kill perfect strangers. Sorry, I think that's the kind of thing that only movie geeks think up or think is cool. Amen, world without end.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I agree about society Kloipy

    by the darkman

    But sadly I don't see an end to that kind of thinking. I still believe there are really good people out there, but the worlds just to fucked up to be brought back. It's sad.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Then again Rebeck

    by Kloipy

    There are real people who kill perfect strangers just for the hell of it

  • June 5, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    FALLOUT 3 IS FINALLY BEING RELEASED

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    http://fallout.bethsoft.com/

  • June 5, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Don't worry Rebeck

    by TORTURE PWN

    Hollywood'll keep pooping out PG13 pablum too.Just for you.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah

    by Rebeck3

    Why pay? LOL. (black humor)

  • June 5, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Well

    by Nadine_Cross

    The whole Eli Roth hates women thing is interesting to me; I'm not sure I buy it. He found a niche (naked girls, torture, laughs) and it's really worked for him. People go fuck-wild for his shit and, love it or hate it, everybody's talking about it. So. Anyway, I just wanted to chime in and say that Eli Roth in all his power-tool glory is less offensive to me than, say, Hillary and Haylie Duff in a film where they explore the topic of how women mask insecurity with shoe-shopping, or whatever. You know, some self-serving shit where Rosie Perez is a single mom in a man's world.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    darkman

    by Kloipy

    you are right, there are some really good people. I would have hoped that after 9-11 things would change. That people would want to work together for the greater good. and that spirit lasted. for about a month. Then people went back to hating each other, and now hating other people for their background. I can't tell how many times I've heard "nuke iraq" and bullshit like that. People in America are so willing to believe that we are so powerful and "advanced" that nothing could ever happen to us again. And that it's ok to be cruel and selfish, and that we can solve all our problems with money and war. But we are going to end up crumbling beneath our ego and what could have been a nation to unite the world will destroy itself and others along with it

  • June 5, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Hostel is "Hansel and Gretel" for adults

    by Some Dude

    It is not porn. It is not act of schadenfreude. Like most horror movies the audience is asked to identify with a group of people, some of whom die, some of whom live. We suffer anguish when the good are unjustly harmed and we are elated when the innocent are avenged and the wicked are punished. These movies are for normal people.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    See, TP - You Don't Know Me, Buddy

    by Rebeck3

    I love horror movies. From TCM to BLACK CHRISTMS to THE OMEN (the originals of course) to THE THING to RE-ANIMATOR to EVIL DEAD to SEVEN to AUDITION...I could go on and on. I won't try to argue with you, because you just keep missing the point. There's a difference between horror and torture, between violence and torture, even between gore and torture. Torture is TORTURE. I don't like it, I don't enjoy watching it, it's not entertainment to me. I can take plenty of violence, but not the glorification of suffering for no other reason than a cheap thrill.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Kloipy, puh-leeze

    by Rebeck3

    WHO is saying Nuke Iraq??? I hear people saying LEAVE Iraq, that I hear a lot of - find myself yelling it at the TV screen.

  • June 5, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Torture porn vs horror

    by cyanide christ

    This is a stupid argument. By definition, the dinner sequence in Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a torture scene...so it is no longer a horror film, it's torture porn. I think that when Talkbackers don't like a horror film, then it is torture porn and anyone who enjoys it is ignorant. Look, I was raised on horror films and Hostel was a horror film. Get over it.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Wait, did he really use the

    by mooshki

    Wait, did he really use the word "intelligence" in relation to Eli Roth? Hostel was just tits & gore, and not very exciting examples of either. I watched the extras in hopes that E.R. had a good idea that just went bad, but he's just an idiot frat boy making dumb movies with his idiot frat boy friends.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I knew Someone Would Say This...

    by Rebeck3

    The dinner scene in TCM is so over-the-top that it shifts from horrifying to black comedy and back again. It is clearly exaggerated and not just about the physical pain of a victim. Grampa dropping the hammer every time is terrifying and hilarious at the same time. That's good art by me. It's a decision we all make in our gut. If there's some creativity to it, I'm perfectly willing to go on the roller coaster ride wherever it leads.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Mooshki

    by Rebeck3

    I know - boggles the mind, doesn't it?

  • June 5, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by Kloipy

    i live in a rural state, i heard "nuke iraq" quite a few times

  • June 5, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by cyanide christ

    Yes, but they are still torturing the girl even though for the most part it is psychological. I am not trying to compare the two films. TCM is in a league of its own. I am just saying that when the torture reaches a level that is uncomfortable for a particular viewer, they quickly write it off as torture porn. Look, I guess I'm okay with people calling it that, as long as they realize that is still just a sub-genre within horror.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Isn't there enough pain in this world already?

    by Pound Sand

    I feel sorry for people who are involved in this kind of film. Eli is a simple target, but to be Heather M., and be reduced to accepting that for yourself as an actress. Wow. Her parents must be so proud. Art is funny..., it can be so many things. Some people will argue that Torture Porn movies (which I have no interest in seeing: I don't need that kind of imagery dropped into my mind ) are life-denying art, but art nonetheless. Maybe. But it's shameful in my opinion that anybody would consider this kind of visual, auditory and spiritual abuse a form of art and entertainment. I couldn't care less whether AICN pimps this movie, or shills for Eli because at the end of the day, it's just a hobby website that many of us TB'ers love. But I hope it isn't representative of our popular culture at large that movies, ideas, and concepts like this are considered "cool." With all the great art out there that most of us know very little about, it's sad to think people will line up instead to watch an amped up sequel to such degrading, soul-deadening, nightmare-inducing, pathologic material. Too bad for them. Spend a half-day helping somebody who needs help. Look around: they are everywhere among us.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Pound Sand

    by Kloipy

    I think it harkens back to the age where public executions were not only entertainment, but a huge social event, with drinking and laughing and food. It's the visious cycle of the world, where we crave blood and destruction, because we at our own personal level are so scared or in denial of our own mortality

  • June 5, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Roth Is NOT One Of Us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by billyhitchcock

    are you insane? his bullshit is sooooooooooooo see thru it's unreal.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I used to love horror movies..

    by Bones

    I used to love Horror movies. But, then I started having a problem with the misogyny inherent to them. People really die in this world. Real young girls and young women are abducted, tortured, raped and murdered. It is not cool. It is not fun. It is not a "rush". I think that there is a place for films that explore these dark themes, but they used to be about punishing the murderers, or were so completely unrealistic that they could not be taken seriously. Desensitization and disassociation scare me. Movies like Devil's Rejects and the Hills Have Eyes remake bother me because they seem to be willing to put anything on screen in order to shock their ever more jaded audience. I don't think I am a prude. I think that horror and violence, when necessary to a good story, can work fantastically. I also must admit to liking horror movies that are more fantastic than simple slasher films...anything with a supernatural or monster element is fine, or a film about murder that is more of a crime drama or thriller rather than a gory "how-to" murder spree.<p> This discussion will never end, I guess. It will always be the folks who love these movies versus the ones who just don't "get them"...

  • June 5, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Some Dude

    by PwnedByStallone

    If by "adults" you mean grown up emotionally stunted sociopaths, than I agree.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Kloipy

    by Rebeck3

    Your location may explain your pessimism about human nature - move to a blue state, take a bong hit, and breathe free baby.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by Kloipy

    LOL, that doesn't sound like a bad idea. i don't even have to move!

  • June 5, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    You know what I find VERY interesting...

    by ProfGriffin

    Is that Hostel and it's sequel, are not really THAT gory. I've seen worse, hell... we all have. We've seen EVERYTHING under the sun done to the human body...from decapitation to zombie-lead disembowelment. No, this movie is not gory or over the top in effects. It really isn't. It's the TONE. It's not stomach turning (gross) it's stomach PUNCHING. It gives you a knot in your stomach when characters we have spent some time with are killed...SLOWLY. We hear them plead and beg, they cry, they "want to go home" they scream in pathetic hopelessness and they cry out for their mommies and daddies...all while dying...slowly. You see, it's not the gross factor, or the effects. It's the human suffering. When the talkbacker brought up the dinner scene in TCM, I agree because I know some people who just can't watch Sally screaming her fool head off...for a seemingly endless time. Roth knows what causes a fuss...and he exploits it. To that end, he is a success. NOT MY PERSONAL cup of tea...but nonetheless, people watch.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    BONG HITS FOR ALL

    by Pound Sand

    It's interesting to me that people who don't necessarily go for this sort of thing feel obliged to defend themselves by saying they aren't prudes. Or that they aren't some conservative, bible-thumping, anti-free speech, boring housewife. It's okay to stand up and say this kind of "art," is unacceptable. You can define limits. You can say enough. As Bones did above, you can be a genre fan, without having to accept all the garbage too.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    PwnedByStallone: What a compelling argument!

    by Some Dude

    If all you have are ad hominems then you have already lost.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    When are people going to realize...

    by TORTURE PWN

    If HOSTEL bothers you...it works.If you are bothered or disturbed by scenes of torture then you are reacting as YOU SHOULD.It's a fucking HORROR movie.If a FICTIONAL movie leads to a discussion on the subject of torture and the torturers who actually DO exist then maybe the movie DOES serve a purpose.But if all the haters can do is namecall,then we can play that game too.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Eli Roht's next movie...

    by Bones

    See--I can write a horror blockbuster too:<p> A movie director, recently married to a beautiful woman is celebrating his recent victory at the box office: a Hostel-like film that is the most unflinching thing ever put to screen. Amid the outcry at the film, protests at various movie houses erupt. Violence ensues. People are killed. The studio pulls the movie.<p> A few years pass. The director, struggling to make ends meet begins to sell his horror movie memorabilia to the highest bidder, accepts an offer from a private bidder to have them stay at his home and watch the last print of his horror movie. The evening goes well, the dinner is great. Then it is time for the screening.<p> The director looks over at his guest in his private screening room, but the guest's face begins to melt--the director has been drugged.<p> When the director awakens, he is bound to an electric chair, nude with electrodes and needles attached to his body. He is facing the movie screen, where he can see his wife, children and friends from the party all tied to chairs on the screen. He is then forced to watch as his family and friends are tortured to death on screen, in the same manner as the victims in his last film. The Torturer is wearing a heavy smock -- like in slaughter house and a heavy mask--like a gasmask. The director is screaming and thrashing, but he cannot move, cannot look away.<p> Finally he has a breakdown and begins to criticize the film--that the arterial spray, brains and gore are not artful enough and that they will have to get the FX guys in to fix the scene. As the torturer continues to work, the director calls out for more menace. As the children scream as yells for more fear. He has never worked with such amateurs. Finally it is over. The screen is silent except for some guttural wheezing coming from the torturer himself.<p> The director is in a daze, asking for his agent, asking for the producer as we look back at the screen and look at the torturer in his mask. He removes his mask and looks at the camera--and it is the director himself, amid the charnel remains of his life.<p> Fade to black

  • June 5, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    The Hostels have more meaning than PassionOTC.

    by Some Dude

    If any major release of the last few years deserves the "torture porn" label, it would have to be The Passion of the Christ. Source material aside, and just going by the content of the film, POTC has no redeeming social value. At least there are a couple of simple messages in Hostel. One, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is. Two, don't be blinded by an abundance of drugs, but instead be aware of your surroundings. Three, it is good to help those in need, even at great risk to yourself.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Sorry if it is not that great...

    by Bones

    I just threw it together.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Remember when that guy tried to kidnap Spielberg?

    by Some Dude

    He had a van full of duct tape, bnodage gear, sex toys and the like. I'd always hoped Spielberg would have made a movie about that experience, fictionalized. Kind of like how Stephen King's car accident survival creeped into his work.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Here here, Some Dude!

    by cyanide christ

    The gore and violence in Passion disturbed me quite a bit more than anything in Hostel. I still liked it though. I really think that talkbackers can't stand it that a "fratboy" is actually making decent films that people pay to see. Oh well, their loss. On Friday I'm going to get a big tub of popcorn and watch me some Hostel Part 2 and I'm sure that some of the people bitching about Roth will be sitting in the theater with me.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    some dude

    by Kloipy

    I see what you are saying. Only thing is, Passion was not made for the unbelievers. There was a point to it. For most of people's lives they have read the story of the crucifixion of Christ. It seemed bad, and yet it never really hits you all that hard. Because it's written and you really don't see it. And then you watch that movie and you get a real understanding of the suffering that Christ took upon himself to save the world from itself. Yes to someone who doesn't believe in Him, it would have no meaning except mindless violence. But is was meant as a wake up to christians to see that how much we complain, and gripe, and talk about how unfair our lives are, here was a man who was willing to go through hell to give us paradise. Passion was not a perfect film by any means, but it def. got a point across. There was redemption not revenge

  • June 5, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Kloipy: that argument fails for this reason

    by Some Dude

    A book is a book and a movie is a movie. One can not be expected to have read the source material to get the message of the film. There was plenty that was good in the Passion, from cinematography to acting and even the gore, however it failed to work as story. Unless one is to interpret the story as dude is happy, dude is kidnapped, dude is tortured, dude is killed, dude comes back to life. So from the perspective of an alien to our culture, The Passion would seem just as horrible as many of these talkbackers claim the Hostel films to be.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Kloipy

    by cyanide christ

    There is a point to Hostel as well. The guy that survives goes from being a person who exploits women, to a person that is being exploited, to a person who realizes this arc and so puts himself in danger to rescue a fellow torturee. Maybe I'm crazy, but that kind of sounds like a redemption story to me.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Klopiy: just an addition

    by Some Dude

    Imagine the outrage and critical response if either the Harry Potter of Lord of the Rings films were incomrehesible to those who had not read the books. That is the case with Passion.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    cyanide and some dude

    by Kloipy

    I see both of the points you are saying. But what I'm trying to get across is that the Passion was less of a movie than it was a reminder. It wasn't made for the general audience. if it was then Mel wouldn't have had to market and produce and distrubute it himself. Hostel has QT and a whole bunch of marketing execs. This is just my opinion and you are as much entitled to yours than I am

  • June 5, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Art vs. "Art"

    by Nadine_Cross

    Eli Roth and Gunther von Hagens (of Bodyworlds fame; that whole deal where he coats actual corpses in plastic, flays and poses them, and then displays them for forty bucks a pop at museums all over the world) are not really that much removed. Bodyworlds (which is crap and a scam and save your money and thank you *so* much Boston Museum of Science) is widely accepted as art despite the fact that von Hagens will whore those corpses out when-the-hell-ever (Casino Royale, anyone?) and slaps his name all over the shit, referring to his dead subjects as “Gunther von Hagens’ Amazing Plastinates!” like they’re the fucking Muppets, or something. Both Roth and von Hagens tap into some latent fascination with the macabre that is difficult, or maybe just too uncomfortable, to explain. It all comes down to a matter of taste, certainly, but I’m disturbed by this underlying sort of “you can’t like such-and-such movie and be a good person” vibe. Or even an enlightened person. Because, sure you can. Yeah, many more people will watch Hostel 2 this summer than will work in a soup kitchen, but then again, many more people will do anything this summer than will work in a soup kitchen. I don't think Roth is a harbinger for the decline of civilization; he's just a regular guy who makes marginal films that people seem to enjoy. Getting angry at him is like getting angry at the Wayans Brothers. You know, if people enjoyed their films.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Giving Passion a Pass

    by emptystan

    I think the only reason people give Passion a pass is because it's a story that central to our western Judeo-Christian society. If it was any other character in that central role or say, a backpacking tourist, no one would care one way or another and we'd probably end up with a similar discussion. Does the religious context of the film help it and let it reach a wider audience than it would otherwise? Absolutely. Does it get away with it because of it? Of course. As far as films like Hostel bothering people, I agree that the SHOULD, but it's the people that aren't bothered by it, that really get into it that are of concern. These are the people that Roth wants to "get-off" on it. Besides, I don't see films like this leading to widespread lectures on torture, or calls for the humane treatment of prisoners at Gitmo. Where's the discussion besides this board and the teenie bopper rejects who laugh like Beavis and say things like "wasn't it cool when..."

  • June 5, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Kloipy: Perhaps, but...

    by Some Dude

    Mel Gibson is on record as saying that he inteded the film to have a message and for it to be a tool of proselytization. It still could have functioned in the mode you suggest and had meaning to those not familiar with Jesus or his teachings, if only it had a better script. However, it is interesting to note that you suggest that the film works as a reminder of the pain Jesus endured and so that Christians shouldn't complain so much about life's little problems. Might this suggestion for a viewing frame-of-mind also be applied to alleged "torture porn" films as well? Why does the victim need to be a demi-god for a film to be given such latitude? In watching teens being eviscerated, even in the execrable Guinea Pigs "films," isn't the audience focused on intense pain and thus taken away from their phone bills and shitty jobs?

  • June 5, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    i don't think

    by Kloipy

    putting Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings with Christ is a really fair comparison either. I don't that many people who had never heard of Jesus saw the trailer for Passion and were like "Hey I have no clue who this Christ person is, but i think this looks like a rockin' time at the movies"

  • June 5, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Sequel to the Passion...

    by cyanide christ

    ...has to be called "JC Fresh: A Rockin' Time at the Movies". Man, that was some funny shit.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Kloipy: Why isn't a fair comparison?

    by Some Dude

    A movie is a movie. The alleged divine inspiration of the source material has no bearing on the argument. One could make a great painting of Jesus and one could make a shitty painting of Jesus. Or compare a shitty painting of Jesus with a great one of Buddha. Would one be expected to give more lenience to the picture of their god, no matter how terrible the art was?

  • June 5, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Would it be any good without the gore?

    by kevred

    That's the question I ask about this. I haven't seen the first one or this one, and won't see either--this kind of thing makes me sick and feel less good about humanity. But that seems like a simple enough question--would anyone care about this, would anyone find it compelling or "intelligent" or worth talking about here, if it didn't have crazily graphic depictions of torture on screen? Say, if every time a torture was imminent, the scene ended or a door was closed? I'm not making that judgment, just asking. If it would be just as scary and thought-provoking--and I can imagine that, say, a suggestion about what was to come followed by screams from behind a closed door (instead of showing anything onscreen) would be quite gripping--then why include the gore, the close-up, intimate portrayal of terror? And if it wouldn't be as gripping without the gore, does it really have any artistic merit to begin with? When looked at that way, it seems to me that the purpose of the torture is simply a kind of sick titillation. If someone has an alternate take on it that's more insightful than, "it's just a movie, you pussies!", then I'd like to hear it. Just food for thought.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    some dude

    by Kloipy

    the thing is Hostel is made for entertainment, Eli has said that and is proud of the gore he got away. Look how excited Harry and everyone here was when he got that meat poster. The Passion was not made to be entertainment. There was not one entertaining thing about it. It was harsh and tough to watch. It sent the messege home. I'm trying to view it from an outside perspective, i just can't force myself to believe that someone would get the same emotional reaction to Hostel as they would to Passion

  • June 5, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Kevred: Yes.

    by Some Dude

    Hostel would function in more or less the same way without the gore. It could be shown in long-shots or off-screen. Keep in mind, however, that thee film doesn't have an abundance of gore close-ups in the first place. It is used as punctuation after scenes of dread and tension. I think Hostel is a good film, but it is far from the grossest thing I have seen. I think it relies more on tension than it does on gore.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    kevred

    by cyanide christ

    I would still find the story arc interesting without the gore. The thing is, it would be hard to understand the severity in the situation of the protagonist without seeing exactly what's in store for him. Really, the movie isn't that gorey in my opinion. I have seen way worse(see the Passion of the Christ conversation above). People just use the "torture porn" argument to discredit a pretty good horror film.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Nadine

    by Rebeck3

    "I don't think Roth is a harbinger for the decline of civilization; he's just a regular guy who makes marginal films that people seem to enjoy." Evidently not 85-90% of the people on this site.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    kloipy: Artists can say anything about their movies...

    by Some Dude

    ... but the film must ultimately function on its own. That is why director commentaries are funny to watch on shitty movies: so many people trying to justify stupid choices.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm

    by Nadine_Cross

    Guess not.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I should stay away

    by BizarroJerry

    I know, if I don't like the movies, why waste time talkbacking about them? Just cuz I wanna be unforgivingly judgemental. Someone who makes movies like this is fucking sick. "...his love of women's body parts covered in gore..." Ugh. Fucking sick. You're not quite as bad if they entertain you, but you're not much better.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    This site.

    by cyanide christ

    You can't guage a movie's merit on the opinion of the AICN talkbackers. Most of them are just wank-offs that sit at their computers all day spouting phrases like "that sucks! Torture porn sucks! Anything I don't like sucks! I could make a way better movie, I suck! Oh...wait a minute..." Yeah, if 85-90% of the talkbackers hate it, then you've probably made a decent film. Unless you're Uwe Boll.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    BizarroJerry

    by cyanide christ

    Man, I sure am glad that you are the moral authority in these parts. I was beginning to think that we didn't have one.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    all i'm saying

    by Kloipy

    is that a movie about a bunch of hedonistic guys backpacking in europe, who have lots of sex, and end up in a torture chamber and a movie about someone who millions of people believe to be God incarnate is a little bit different. Look at the marketing for the first Hostel. It was all about "come see the most violent movie of all time, you may need a barf bag" and "come see a movie that may help bring some perspective and understanding to what your core belief is about" I'm not saying you are wrong, and I'm enjoying the convo, but i think movies like Hostel (which was ok) and Guinea Pig (which is just utter filth) don't stand in the same comparison.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    So, What, Cyanide...

    by Rebeck3

    You're the BETTER kind of wank-off?? LOL.

  • June 5, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    It's time to go home

    by Kloipy

    Nice convo today people. Glad it didn't only consist of "fuck yous" and "pussies"

  • June 5, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    it's not scary

    by gomez33

    The first Hostel film wasn't scary and after watching the second steaming pile of shit, I can confirm that Mr Roth is a talentless prick. I'm sure he'll shock enough people into seeing it to greenlight his next pointless shit movie. Wanker.

  • June 5, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    gore and tits are all i need in a movie

    by dieninamyers

    maybe it just pissed me off that even the godamn trailers are sucking its own dick. "the most shocking ending in the history of all horror films!" i dont want to encourage this behavior. i will never, ever, ever watch another eli roth flick, besides maybe Cell, just because a shit hack directer directing a shit hack book might be a good laugh.

  • June 5, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    are you stupid?

    by CQuest

    first off the movies suck. but secondly, the tone to the first is ALOT more serious than the second. kids playing soccer with a fuckin head? are you KIDDING ME? the 13 euro trash goons holding guns on the girl and her offering to pay her way out? the restaurant buzzers to let u know your victim is ready? what the fuck? this movie was easily way more watered down crappy humor than the first. what the FUCK are you thinking?? and oh....

  • June 5, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    FUCK HOSTEL

    by CQuest

    yup yup

  • June 5, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I don't know what the big deal is?!?!?!

    by cerberoz

    Why is everyone in such a bender about what Eli does or doesn't do with his movies? Since when do we go to horror movies to be intellectually stimulated? I hear everyone that these are just movies about expendable characters, shitty plots, and new ways to kill people. WELL NO FUCKING DUH!!!!!! By your arguments the 80's didn't exist then!Jason, Freddy, Michael, Chucky... What, are you telling me that you learned all of life's great lessons watching Jason slash horny teens or Freddy turning wet dreams into fucked up nightmares? Of course not!!! We all went because back in the day this shit rocked our asses and now we appreciate it fondly for the cheese it is. Well that's what Hostel is and that's what it'll be appreciated for 15 years from now. Eli understands and loves this, and THAT'S why he gave you Thanksgiving on Grindhouse. Now quit your bitching and just take it for what it is, a sick fun time at the movies!!!!

  • June 5, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    5 articles on Roth on the front page

    by CQuest

    and this idiot asks "what are you gonna do?" with a shit eating grin on his face. what the fuck? what u are gonna do is HOLD IN YOUR SHITTY REVIEW THAT WE KNOW WILL BE POSITIVE. why even post it, if not to just piss off the people who go to this site? you fat fuckin nerds disgust me, nor will you defend your actions to us. you bitches may run the site, but its US that makes it go. whats to stop us from taking any of your opinions seriously for now on? yall just FUCKED yourselves

  • June 5, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    5 articles on Roth on the front page

    by CQuest

    and this idiot asks "what are you gonna do?" with a shit eating grin on his face. what the fuck? what u are gonna do is HOLD IN YOUR SHITTY REVIEW THAT WE KNOW WILL BE POSITIVE. why even post it, if not to just piss off the people who go to this site? you fat fuckin nerds disgust me, nor will you defend your actions to us. you bitches may run the site, but its US that makes it go. whats to stop us from taking any of your opinions seriously for now on? yall just FUCKED yourselves

  • June 5, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    At least porn sometimes has a story...

    by MKiro

    This was pure, unadulterated shit-for-the-sake-of-it. I mean, there's exploitation and there's this. Complete and utter crap from start to end, with a tenuous 'story' in order to justify graphic mutilation and death. Pathetic, Mr. Roth. However, I think the thing that disturbs me most of all is the drooling praise lavished by the morons on this TB. It's not entertainment, it's not art... it's not even mediocre. It's a complete waste of 90 minutes which you will never get back. It won't happen, but I dearly hope Mr. Roth never gets to sit behind a camera again. Pathetic.

  • June 5, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    reviews so far...

    by dcut75

    Everything I've read so far by real critics has been positive. Quit acting like a bunch of snatches and just go see it. Or don't, just stop bashing it before you see it. And don't use the bootleg thing as an excuse, I know that 90% of you claiming to have already seen it are lying, just so you can say "I saw it and it sucks".

  • June 5, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    SOME GUY hit the

    by brokenheadstuff

    nail on the head! (and quickly too, unlike you multi-paragraph-ing motherfucks)

  • June 5, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Mel Gibson?

    by dcut75

    You gotta be kidding. Drunk, insane, anti-semite Mel. Gibson. Is going to teach us about morals? I knew the ultra radical religous right were behind this Roth bashing.

  • June 5, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    MKiro...

    by dcut75

    Are you saying Hostel is more depraved than an exploitation film? Because if you are, you need to hit the Netflix.

  • June 5, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Now at 100% on Rotten Tomatoes

    by dcut75

    Can't be that bad

  • June 5, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Proof of Roth’s Intelligence

    by Nezzer6364

    In the bathtub scene the woman in the tub is getting covered in blood and doesn’t say anything like "Wow I love a good bloodbath". See Roth is clever like that. He shows a bath full of blood, ie a bloodbath, but doesn’t use the actual word bloodbath. He leaves it to the audience to put that together. Damn he is a fucking genius. What would the genre be without Eli Roth’s intelligence? Good.

  • June 5, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Just watched it..... FUCKING CLASS!

    by bongo123

    Yup i'll be buying this one on DVD after seein it at the cinema with my mates. Not as crazy as the first one, be awhile before something freaks me out like that blowtorch scene but cool deaths non the less and the story, direction and overall feel this time round was brilliant... in the words of Borat.. "Is a nice... yes" . All the rest of you whiney fucking pussies can fuck off, nothing wrong with a bit of blood and gore and besides there was worse in shindlers list and hotel rwanda for fucks sake. Cool movie Eli!

  • June 5, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    I wasn't going to post on a Roth talkback

    by Bad Movie Year

    because I didn;t want people to start blazing away calling me a "sick perv" or something similar. but really I feel I have to. There was a poster earlier on who listed his favourite horrors before going on to call Hostel a "torture film" rather than a "horror". The films he listed were TCM, BLACK CHRISTMAS, THE OMEN, THE THING, RE-ANIMATOR,EVIL DEAD, SEVEN and AUDITION. The first two have the terrorising of women in it, indeed TCM was banned in the UK for years because the censors thought it concentrated too much on that point. Re-Animator and Evil Dead both feature sexual assualt - Re-Animator playing rape for laughs. Seven and Audition both feature torture - Audition's torture scene makes Hostel look like Bambi. The point I am making is that you can call Hostel horrible and pornographic as much as you want, but in the horror hirachy it isn't that high up. There is far worse out there. There are Masters of Horror episodes that I have found more morally questionable than that film. The term "torture porn" reminds me of an old headline in the Daily Mail "Ban this sick filth" - it was refering to Evil Dead.

  • June 5, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    dcut, We Meet Again

    by Rebeck3

    Last I checked there were four fucking reviews on RT. Wow, what a landslide. And I wouldn't refer to IGN as a "real" reviewer with a straight face. The mainstream critics will HATE this film, just wait. A small wager perhaps?

  • June 5, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    BadMovieGuy, whatever your name is...

    by Rebeck3

    That was me. Rebeck, it's not hard to remember. I don't think any of those films is "Torture Porn". All of SEVEN's torture is off screen, past-tense. Your only good example is AUDITION - and I have a good answer for that. It's horror and not torture because the guy is paralyzed/numbed out at the time and it's more about watching this happen to him helplessly than crying and begging for mercy. A slim point maybe, but it makes a certain distinction for me. It's still absolutely horrifying and gross as hell. (Foot hits window) But also it came at the end of a movie that has been building very slowly and meticulously to this climax - it's not the majority of the film. It worked for me in that context. As I said before it's a gut call we all make.

  • June 5, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Okay...

    by Rebeck3

    Here's an example of what I mean. In the book "Misery", she gives him pain medication and chops off his foot as he watches. That's HORROR. In the movie, no medication and she hits him with a sledgehammer - that's TORTURE. That's the best example of what I'm talking about. I'm one of the few people who think that Rob Reiner (hack) really fucked that movie up. Could have been much better and scarier.

  • June 5, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    At least its better than the hitcher remake

    by Doc Zoidy

    Having watched the crappy workprint thats floating around the web all i can say is compared to some of the crap that come out already this year. There will always be films that shock and polarize audience opinion. 20 odd years ago it was Evil Dead...10 years earlier than that we had clockwork orange. Everything in this film has been done before. It brings nothing new.. however it is executed with a reasonable degree of competence and has a couple of interesting flourishes particularly near the end. the booby count was disappointingly low tho.....but i think the most important point to remember is WHERE THE FUCK IS SOUNDWAVE.

  • June 5, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Rebeck3

    by Bad Movie Year

    Sorry about not writing your name the first time. I'm not sure I understand your point really. Audition isn't a torure scene because he is unable to beg for mercy? The scene in Misery is torture in the film, but only because he can feel it? Quickly my points are 1) in the real world mental torture is still torture, 2) I think what you are really saying is that you just don't like the tone of the film, you prefer your horror just not too quite so sickeningly horrible, but I might be wrong. 3) my point is that horror films have always been called sick and disgusting since James Whale got behind the camera. You might not like Hostel but I can not see anything that justifies the rabid treatment some talkbackers are giving it. It is neither a work of genius or the spawn of a perverted world. It's a fairly standard horror film with five minutes of nastiness in the middle. Right, with that done I'm leaving work now so I'm off to drink beer and watch movies.

  • June 5, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Rebeck...

    by dcut75

    Sure, a small wager sounds like a good idea. I'm willing to bet Part 2 surpasses the 60% "fresh" Threshold. Bragging rights on the line.

  • June 5, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by dcut75

    Have you seen any of the films I mentioned earlier? Salo, Men Behind the Sun or In a Glass Cage? The reason I bring these up is they are considered very artistic by some. I find them repellent and not the least bit entertaining or artistic. I'm curious to hear your opinion on them. One final thought on Hostel, It's the discomfort that the torture scenes cause me that make it work. If it didn't make me squirm in my seat there would be no tension. Maybe it's the people that aren't disturbed that find the movie boring.

  • June 5, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    dcut, I'll Take That Bet...

    by Rebeck3

    I feel pretty good that Hostel 2 will end up in the GREEN SPLAT not the RED. To answer your question - No, I have not seen those films you mention. I've always wanted to see Salo and see what all the fuss is about, but it's very hard to find. (I think it's being re-released by Criterion soon) The other two I've never even heard of, but I'll look them up, do some research and try to see them. If I do, I'll get back to you with my thoughts. I understand what you're saying about discomfort - obviously that's what I felt at the end of AUDITION. I guess it's just a matter of if you feel the movie has 'justified' that scene and if it's 'fair', or if it just gives you a sickened feeling and a bad taste in your mouth, as if you're being complicit to something cheap and sleazy. That's how I felt when I saw "The Hills Have Eyes" (remake, although the original is unbearable in its own way) and "Last House On The Left" (utter and complete trash). So, I guess it's just taste as we've all been saying - and where do you personally draw that line.

  • June 5, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    BadMovieYear

    by Rebeck3

    On the contrary, I think you understand my position pretty well. You obviously don't agree, but that's pretty much what I was saying. Of course it's a tonal thing and it can be a very fine line. Horror is like comedy in that it's a very personal thing what works for you and what doesn't.

  • June 5, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Hey, I'll watch Hostel 2 if it's good.

    by Christopher3

    I don't really give a crap about the morality of film or the debate over what's "porn" or too violent. As a lot of people point out, it's a pretty personal decision as to what one finds outrageous or beyond the pale. I didn't have a problem with "28 Weeks Later," but found much of "Oldboy" and the fire hydrant scene in "Irreversible" pretty hard to watch. Morality aside, if Roth manages to pulls a David Fincher and follow up a dud with a home run, more power to him. Based on his current output, I won't hold my breath. BTW, this whole Roth thing on AICN reminds me of this site's promotion of "Pitch Black," which I'll go on the record as saying was a pretty mediocre film, despite all the hype about it here.

  • June 5, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Eli was a dick to me, even after I told him I was press

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    and he knows the sites I write for too! We've been supporting him for years. He came off as a bit slimy. That said, I can't wait for Hostel II

  • June 5, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I still can't undrestand...

    by veebeeyes

    How there are still people here describing Hostel as "2 hours of brutal torture". If you were to compress all of the torture scenes in Hostel into one continuous video clip, that videoclip would be about 5 minutes long. If we were to compress all of the titty scenes into one video clip, that clip would be even shorter. So we've got 5 minutes for torture, 5 minutes for titties, that's about 10 minutes out of the film's hour and a half length.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Dr Gonzo

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Thanks for playing along, buddy. I was hoping I could derail this asinine torture porn argument with references to a genuine modern classic, but it didn't work out.<p>Ah, well. I tried, just like Rocky. That's what counts.

  • June 6, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Big Lebowski and torture

    by Clio

    That rug really tied the torture room together, did it not? God, I would give anything for a Talkback dedicated to Big Lebowski. Sig.

  • June 6, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Irreversible is not only cinematic dogshit

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    but a waste of talent called Belucci.<p>Man, I just HATE that sick movie.

  • June 6, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Posting this in all 7 of the Eli Roth Articles on AIRN

    by tehgreekhammer

    Wow Harry, you are such a little bitch ass, cum dumpster. 7 freakin articles on Eli Roth and his lame wannabee attempts at horror ovies gets 7 articles on this site. But Danny Boyles 28 weeks later film gets like one or two? (ps I know Boyle didnt direct Weeks but u know what i mean) Don Murphy was right about you all along. You really are a worthless turd. I cant believe I actually wasted time going over there to defend you and this site, not too long ago. What a waste of my fucking time. Defending a loser fucktard with huge titties, who does absolutely nothing at all except shit on his ass eating breakfast nachos @ 1pm. I cant imagine the horrible trainwreck of a life you would be living if this site hadnt taken off in popularity. Can you imagine what life for you would have been like if you needed to rely on an actual skill or creativity? Maybe you could have turned into a video store clerk or maybe a movie theater employee working for minimum wage? Thats about it though. I hope you say a little prayer at night for your tiny bit of good fortune in an otherwise pitiful life. I guess the only way you get to sleep at night is thinking about your 7000 myspace friends after furiously masturbating to some obscure german horror movie thats only available on Betamax while looking at your naked picture of Eli that Im sure is in a folder on your desktop. Don Murphy was right about you Harry. And you know what? Ban me if that makes you feel any better. Because i wont take the time out of my life here in NY to come back to this p.o.s. and create yet another screen name. good day whore.