June 1, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST
She's a good actress and very sexy lady I can't wait for it.
June 1, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST
by Dwide Shrewd
Wait, on second thought, forget teh cock. Boobies!
June 1, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST
I know people are going to flame you for your comment, but I have to tell you, I totally agree. This is sick shit. The fact that it's mainstream is really disturbing to me. I rented the first one and have to say, not only was it not scary, it was just plain bad filmmaking. Cabin Fever was like Citizen Kane compared to Hostel. So, bravo Man of Stool, bravo.
June 1, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST
I'm not sure what audience doesn't appreciate movies like Hostel are being made these days... the young that know what they'd be missing out on, or the old that have been through the dry times and should have nothing but appreciation for a guy like Roth to be delivering decent, fun romps with a nice gross out factor. I've lived long enough to have seen what it's like when not a single horror movie comes out in an entire year. Thank god for guys like Eli Roth that saved me from having to endure that crap ever again.
June 1, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST
by Magnum Opus
Was pretty shoddy film making. I wish they would actually make "Don't" because it, well, it would probably suck, but still be more entertaining than Hostel.
June 1, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST
by andrew coleman
First these are not horror movies because they are not scary at all. Maybe the dog scene Quint described might be scary to some people. Hostel 1 wasn't scary it was actually just a shitty movie. Half Euro Trip half Saw. That is why I will basically make sure I skip this movie I'm sure for some of you guys this is the shit when it comes to movies, but I just think it's retarted there is enough fucked up violence in the real world for me to want to watch it like that in a movie theater. Now I love R movies especially action R movies but gore for just gore factor I find boring.
June 1, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST
And that's it. Don't like it, don't watch it. Simple, really. No reason to down those of us that will see this. You can call me a "young audience" (which I'm not) or a sick perv (which I might be) but that won't change my mind about seeing this (well on dvd anyway). It's a movie, not real. No harm, no foul. I never once felt bad watching Hostel until the end when I realized I wasted money seeing this in the theater when I could have waited an seen it for free.
June 1, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST
His story development process: Dear self: what piece of anatomy has not been severed in a horror film? Umm...the penis! Yeah, that's a story beat, I'm a genius! We absolutely NEED a severed cock, that's in no way immature or cheesy or obvious, it's a sign of me "pushing the boundaries of the genre," yeah I'll have to remember that for the interviews I'll be doing seated next to coked-out QT. Now, let's see, so we don't shock the audience too much with such groundbreaking moments, what violent action can I yet again take from the cliche file? Oh, yeah, biting off a nose!! Let's throw that in. Haven't seen that one (in a few months). Man, I'm great at what I do. Wowee, I'm such an "auteur." Actual caring for characters, creating unique story points and shots, developing a theme? Who needs that crap?!!!!
June 1, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST
by Gobias Ind.
Bijou Phillips is annoying as shit. I've liked the performances she brings to certain flicks ('Bully' and 'The Door in the Floor' come to mind), but she was a guest on Loveline a few nights back and it was painful to listen to. She didn't come off as very bright, which, ya know..whatever. But she's very opinionated, talks over everyone else, and rambles on and on about the points she's trying to make while coming off like a loudmouth idiot in the process. It makes me question my own judgment knowing I'd still fuck her if given the opportunity.
June 1, 2007, 3 p.m. CST
Mild spoilers here. I saw an advanced screening, and this is the closest to walking out of a movie I ever have. There's a scene where a girl is tied, naked, upside down. We see her wimpering for 2 minutes, and then a woman with a scythe gets naked beneath her ,cuts her up, and rubs her blood over her naked body.This is just fetishist pornography. Say what you will about the Saw franchise, but at least they have a "plot", and "twists", and reward attention to detail, and theior violence is at least somewhat justified. This movie is just completely blatent, not trying to hide anything, and is NOT a horror movie. This thing is not scary at all. I understand that this torture stuff is its own underground genre, but for a movie with this in it to be backed by a major studio, play in thousands of theatres, and probably open huge at the box office, this is ridiculous. The next step is pornography playing in mainstream theatres, by big studios. There's also a scene at the end where you have a pretty good view of a medium shot of a penis getting cut off. This film is not scary, and it just offended me, that THIS could be made, and will probably do very well. I understand that directors have certain affectations, but it's not like in a Russ Meyer film, you'd watch a five minute scene of a woman being tit fucked, and then came on. That is the equivalent of this hanging/scythe/naked blood bathing scene in Hostel. So, am I wrong?
June 1, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST
some people share my opinion. There are some people that see Saw for the inventive plots, and twists, but I'll admit that the majority do just see it for the violence. The plot of Hostel is simply PEOPLE PAYING TO TORTURE PEOPLE. There is no way anyone is going into this movie expecting to see anything else. I did enjoy the beginning of this movie, and what was done with Jay Hernandez's character, and yes, this is just my opinion, and yes, DarthTartar, I don't have to watch it, but my major problem is that this is becoming, mainstream, popular, and what upsets me the most, is that this type of movie is what is becoming synonomous with American horror movies. Which is sad, and terrible.
June 1, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST
No hard feelings at all. In fact I think you are right on certain points. When people came in to rent Hostel you know what most said? "I didn't like the first half, it was long and boring, but once they started the killing it was pretty good." I don't like making torture mainstream either. I like being the sicko perv with the large gory horror collection hah! I also think that the second film will outgross the first film. Not because it's now an established franchise or because of Summer...but because this time they are torturing females instead of males. Sad but I think true. Now if this was August Underground or Aftermath and had a small audience it might not bother people so much since only sick freaks (I'm not offended by the truth lol) would be watching it in the first place.
June 1, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST
You nailed it, Halcyon. The mainstreaming of this type of horror film (all voyeuristic splatter) is very disturbing. Where decorum and atmosphere (and intelligence) is out and gore (without suspense and / or a satirical edge) is in. Makes one wonder what the next trend in horror films will be 15 to 20 years from now? There's not much left to show really ... sigh. Recently read an article where Roth was included as part of the new wave of horror directors with the likes of Neil Marshall. I enjoyed 'The Descent' immensely because it was incredibly well-executed and fully realized with a palpable sense of atmospheric dread. Roth seems to use shock value as a way to deflect attention away from half-baked concepts and puerile storytelling skills.
June 1, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST
Youth of today just don't understand fine distinctions between acceptable levels of violence, sex, and approriate behavior. They're a bunch of pampered kids who grew up on Barney and Power Rangers who never learned consequences because it might have rattled their fragile little baby minds. I remember my younger brother being a fan of Power Rangers and I remember reading that in Japan they killed off the Green Ranger, a very popular character on the American show. So what do they do? Turn him into the white ranger. How many movies did we watch in the 80's that were PG that had deaths, violence, sexual content. Now look at what the kids of today have had to swallow for the last 10-15 years. No violence, no sex, nothing for them to teethe on, so once they get a hold of any of it, they go too far in both real life and entertainment. Its called torture porn for a reason.
June 1, 2007, 4 p.m. CST
Roth and Hostel, because I believe he made the violence nasty and unsettling for a purpose. The torturers were rich elitists who paid for their sick violent pleasure, not crazed psychos or "monsters" (like those who plunk down their hard-earned money to enjoy a thrilling horror film? No, I don't mean moviegoers are sick monsters..) So I thought he was making a statement on those who "get off" on violence. From the preview stated above I may have read too much into it...sounds pretty sick..
June 1, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST
blew me away when it switched from soft porn to this crazy mad shit which to be honest i wasnt expecting, the wife spent the first half of the movie eyeballin me incase i started drooling at the nekid ladies and then spent the 2nd half behind a pillow as for me i thought it was a blast, a total rollercoaster of a movie. This whle torture porn thing i have to admit i find interesting, i love the saw movies for there inventiveness in really fucking people up and i loved hostel for its unabashed no holds barred look at what a maniac is capable of when he has a victim tied up... guess im a sick fuck but when watching horror movies i like to be shocked or scared though prefarably both, but i would draw the line if one the girls was to get raped on screen, that shit i think is crossing the line, sure hack the arms and legs off but i wouldnt feel comfortable with the other, i have deliberately not read much about this movie so im hoping that shit aint in it. The rape scene in man bites dog wouldve been gruesome if it wasnt for the fact that the actors involved including the women and her husband were totally shite.
June 1, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST
At least ten people a week would ask if we carried "Faces of Death" (we didn't). Actually, most of em wouldn't ask; they'd just bark in your face "FACES OF DEATH?" Oddly, most of these people looked like the fugly Asian guy Go-Go disembowels early in Kill Bill 1...but that's neither here nor there. The point is that this was back when people still believed that FOD was honest-to-god SNUFF and that these people really WERE getting hacked, chopped, burned, crushed, etc. To me, that's a thousand times worse than wanting to see either of the Hostel movies: even the dumbest moviegoer alive knows that no one is REALLY being hurt as the movie is going on. People have been getting off on sick shit in horror films since they began: that's why they're called HORROR films, folks! They're supposed to show HORRIFYING SHIT! Having said that, do I think anyone should take their kids to this? No, but many will, won't they? Do I think everything Miike has done is worthy of critical praise? No--in fact, I can't watch most of it. Do I think that Hostel, and Roth, are unworthy of the hate visited on them, when I am very much aware that there are people out there marketing crap that makes Hostel look like Wonderful World of Disney? Yes, yep, ya, and you betcha. Don't wanna watch it? Then ya sure don't have to.
June 1, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST
...only with chicks. Same structure, nigh on identical plot points. And what happens to Paxton is just shit. I urge Roth to reshoot that entire sequence and give him a better pay off as I was totally unimpressed. 6/10.
June 1, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST
First one: good. Second one: ok. Third one: crap, never shoulda been made, anything approaching suspense went out the window. And if they're dumb enough to make a fourth one, I will stay far far away.
June 1, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST
He and Gene Siskel dedicated a whole program in the 1980's to bashing the slasher craze. They talked about how slasher movies were a direct response to the feminist movement and how they were the realization of the minds of misogynistic pigs. Obviously, they failed to see that men composed the majority of the body counts in these movies. I feel bad for Eli Roth, he is going to get so much shit from the media for making this movie. He is just taking the horror genre to the extreme. It's not a damn snuff film and it is entertaining to some, so don't knock it. If you don't like it, then don't watch it.
June 1, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST
by Magic Rat
because at least if you want to see Faces Of Death, you know they were real deaths that just happened to be captured on film, mostly by accident. Hostel is torture (which I believe, FOD wasn't, for the most part) and violence that's staged to play up the most gruesome and barbaric acts that mankind can think up (not related to war). I'll pass on this. I watched the first one. Thought the first half was a lot of fun. Fast forwarded through the second half.
June 1, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST
I got my tickets for a 10:15 pm showing at the Rotunda with 4 of my friends and I sure as hell hope by the time I get back from the viewing there is a TB to discuss it.
June 1, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST
And aren't looking forward to hostel 2 like a junkie waiting for his smack fix, you're a fucking NUN. And I mean that in the most inulting, derogatory, hateful way.
June 1, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST
I am not a pervert, don't secretly harbor fantasies of rape, murder or torture, am a loving and compassionate member of the human community and STILL FUCKING LOVE THIS SHIT. It's a cathartic release, it's harmless fiction, and gore is cool. So therefore, your opinions, though valid within the frame of your skull, have no validity past the tip of your nose. Don't see the film. Go rent a disney film and weep for civilizations downward slide.
June 1, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST
That the internet brings out my acerbic side. In real life, I'm a delicate flower. No, really.
June 1, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST
by Lando Griffin
that is all
June 1, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST
by Lando Griffin
she's always just a Larry Clark close up away from it
June 1, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST
El Roth sux black nuts!!!!!
June 1, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST
I find it amusing how all of the defenders of this sick sort of shit can only say in their defense, "Don't like it? Don't watch it! It's only a movie!" as if the idea good and evil are irrelevant. Don't like murders? Then don't murder anyone! But don't mind me if I murder someone. Don't like stealing? Then don't steal anything...but don't mind me while I take someone elses stuff. <br><br> Th reason why stuff like this is sick and wrong is because images that are shocking to your mind have a way of imprinting them into your skull, literally imprinted on the brain forever. Soldiers have this all the time from things they see and experience, and it's called PTSD. I to this day refuse to see images and clips of people jumping from the towers on 9/11 because i don't want that image imprinted on my brain. I'd rather have good images imprinted on my brain, like the image of my cock between those massive tits on that girl I'm gonna nail this weekend in Vegas. I'm not saying horror movies are all bad, because often those bad images are counteracted by the other good parts of the movie, or your mind can shut down the bad images. But, you idiots, if you watch a shocking movie just to see shocking shit, then you will find the images will come back to you when you least expect them and least want them to. Me, I'd rather have images of beauty popping into my head at random times rather than evil shit. You sad twisted torture porn fucks.
June 1, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST
Says that the "girl I'm gonna nail this week in Vegas" is a hooker. $20 bucks says he buries her in the desert.
June 1, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST
Faces of Death is mostly fake, there are a few moments of actual death footage, but most of it is staged. And I believe it appeals to the same prurient interests as Hostel, except even more so since the people who watch FOD really thought it was real. In my opinion I can watch fake murder and torture all day, but I avoid all the real mondo film stuff, documentary is one thing but the exploitation of an actual persons actual death is something else...
June 1, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST
The violent images will come back when you least expect them? I guess I'll be waiting for Last House on the Left, I Spit on Your Grave, Cannibal Holocaust and many, MANY more to come roaring back at any moment to cripple my mind. And comparing watching a movie to murder and stealing is just fucking stupid.
June 1, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST
<p class=MsoNormal>Quint's report on how he reacted to the "boob flash," made me ashamed of myself. Why the fuck is he writing this, I thought? I mean, really, if that was straight up what his reaction was... how pathetic and sad. I pity such sexual repression. Women deserve better men. We're dogs, OK, it's understood. But couldn't we be more like German Shepherds, than mindless, yapping <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Chihuahuas</st1:place></st1:State>?</p> <p class=MsoNormal>Also, I don't think every movie has to be as well written as LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, but I'm saddened that I'm reading about characterization in Hostel 1. Is the audience really this fucking retarded? What are they talking about? These are nothing but mean, sick re-hashes of Friday the 13<sup>th</sup>. Do these people shake hands with every crap they drop in the toilet, to say goodbye before they pull the chain? Is that all it takes for them to use the word character? I'm crying, boys. My heart doesn't' want to believe the audience is this bad... but my experience reading the reviews of Hostel 2 are teaching me otherwise.... </p>
June 1, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST
you have good taste.
June 1, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST
It's harmless. What exactly are you people afraid of happening?
June 1, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST
Fuck YES!! This has to be hands down one of my favorite horror movies ever. Jeffery Combs! Stuart Gordan's classic "From Beyond" is going the royal treatment. I sent Harry an email about this lets see if it gets posted on this site as it should. Now this folks is real horror the way it should be done. Check out what DVD House Of Horror has to say about it: <BR> <BR> http://tinyurl.com/2jq4fx
June 1, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST
According to CHUD, there's a high quality advance screener out now, so if you really must see this creepy stuff, just grab it this weekend from torrent portal or wherever. The less money these kind of films these days make, the better. Ick.
June 1, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST
by Atticus Finch
...I'm already sick of it thanks to AICN's oversaturation. At least I wasn't planning on seeing it in the first place, since Roth is one of the biggest hacks on the planet.
June 1, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST
Barbara Crampton is so hot in that movie, it is completely off the hook! Turn on the RESINATOR!!!!
June 1, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST
Glen Frey's boob pops out!!!
June 1, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST
Personally Hostel and Saw are not my cup of joe, but hey not every movie is made for me (Nancy Drew, Gracie, Underdog)...I'll never forget the eye ball scene from the first one...damn nasty.
June 1, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST
by TORTURE PWN
That is all.
June 1, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST
by TORTURE PWN
because it scares them and makes them uncomfortable.Therefore HOSTEL works.Every post by a hater is a testimonial that it works,although they try to mask their discomfort with pseudo intellectual criticism.Go ahead,asshats.Keep proving my point.
June 1, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST
...confused by this whole "splat pack" thing? ...and not because I don't understand people liking violent movies but because there are scarier, better made, and more violent films available on Amazon? This stuff isn't shocking. It's boring. Blood and screaming does not make for a 'shocking' film.
June 1, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST
by Fish Tank
You want proof? Watch this: http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2366 What the fuck is that about? Is that horror? Are you fucking serious? What the fuck kind of world do we live in that this shit is classified as good horror? I've read hundreds of horror stories, both short and novels, and Eli's shit is so low-class it's not funny. It's masturbation material for sick fucking retards and pre-pubescent fuck-ups whose hormones have confused their sense of right and wrong. I don't know if I have to TinyURL that link I posted, but if not, I'll do it after if you need proof. What a fuck. He will not get a dime from me.
June 1, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST
by Fish Tank
Well, they pulled that video. I guess that's good. It went like this... Girl hanging upside down in a chamber with candles. She's naked, upside down and gagged. Two guys light said candles with (get this) propane torches. Ooooh scary tough guys. They leave, closing heavy iron door. Aforementioned heavy iron door opens, robed woman enters candle lit room. Disrobes. Steps into tiled bleeding-tub under girl. Lies naked on pillow, grabs a big scythe and drags it over screaming girl's back a few times as she screams through gag. Cuts her a few times, rubs blood on her, removes the gag, cuts her some more, and then cuts her jugular while rubbing herself with the arterial spray. Yes ladies and gentlemen, that's GOOD horror. I can't begin to describe how pathetic that whole scene was. It's a sickening scene, not horrific because it's scary. Horrific because it's classless, demented and pointless. Several levels below Friday the 13th or Nightmare - both masterpieces in that they didn't take themselves as seriously as this self-reverential shit. FUCK YOU ELI!
June 1, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST
the boobs this dude saw were probably the best boobs that WERENT shown in the whole movie. see, the title makes u think there will be tits in the movie. not really. you get a very brief showing from some hot euro broad, about 1.2 seconds, and then u see the ugliest girl in the movie's tits, while she hangs upside down. they also go in and out of frame. horrible shjowing of tits. oh but we get a close up of a fuckin dick. PIECEOF SHIT MOVIE. and this 2 parter shit on it without showing any of the negative reviews shows how fucked up this site is. its a fuckin joke. please everyone, get your news somewhere else. we really need to fuckin leave this site alone.
June 1, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST
by TORTURE PWN
Keep up the good work "haters".Or should I call you PLANTS!This reverse-psychology marketing scheme is FUCKING GENIOUS!
June 1, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST
by TORTURE PWN
The more you practically "dare" people to see it.Last time they had commercials to do that.This time they are actually using the "haters"!FUCKING GENIOUS!
June 1, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST
So this is what it sounds like.. When Doves Cry....
June 2, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST
What? The movie came out a week ago?
June 2, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST
by Dwide Shrewd
The only people being "dared" to see this by our ranting are just the same sick half-wits such as yourself who were going to see it anyway. You lot deserve this kind of shitty film making. Enjoy it, but be careful as you're beating off to the blood bath scene - it might be your needle dick that gets severed.
June 2, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST
by Dwide Shrewd
Learn how to spell "genius", genius.
June 2, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST
so if you want to stick it to Eli Roth do it.
June 2, 2007, 2:03 a.m. CST
<p class=MsoNormal>The work print is downloadable? People are encouraging their neighbors to go ahead and download it? Well, there you go. If the cell phone conversations, the text messaging, the rappers and wappers talking shit to everyone around them in the theatre, the ugly fucking rug-rats running around isn't proof that the audiences for film is turning to crap, well, here you are: the final straw. </p> <p class=MsoNormal>It's one thing to report the story. OK. But to encourage such behavior... well I have one thing to say, and you can take this as 100% iron clad truth: steal from your neighbor, and soon you'll be reminded YOU are someone's neighbor, too. </p> <p class=MsoNormal>Fuck all of you who think it's cool to steal, and here's a drink from my current vodka tonic to the day you to find out the hard way, what it's like to be violated. It's the only way you'll learn anything in life: if it hits you in the fucking face so hard, you don't recognize yourself in the morning.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>If you want to see this movie, go to the theatre and sit with the shit audience you belong with, but spare us your lack of morality.</p>
June 2, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST
Loved the first but making the same movie twice is just retarded. To make it worse I seen Eli Roth in an interview over on Bloody Disgusting saying how he learned from mistakes he's made in other films but he clearly hasn't cos' it's all the same shit with no character development. I think he's trying to add spice to his and QT's relationship w/ the while female revenge flick thing and the motorbike bit at the start - he's fucked it all up. To end on a positive note. The only good bit was at the start w/ Jay Hernandez but that should have been taggged on at the end of part one, right up to the dude with the bloodhounds and then ROLL CREDITS!!!Also I didn't need to see Paxton's severed head, I kinda got that it was in the box ffs!
June 2, 2007, 4:29 a.m. CST
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/793/793521p1.html An amazing review for such a sucky film! Eli has raped the fabric of impartial reviews by clearly getting down on both knees and sucking cock. If I read one more thing about "the end will be the most talked about this year" I'm going to fucking kill someone, OF COURSE IT WILL. IT'S A FULL FRONTAL CASTRATION - It's not smart and it ain't clever, it's shit. I've got a "Sick as fuck" alternate ending, how about she takes a dump in his mouth and pokes it down his windpipe so he chikes - people will talk about that and it took me all of 30seconds to make up. I read one of his blogs and he talks about the audience "Going crazy, cheering" etc That doesn't happen unless they know the director is there - fuck this film, why he needed a 4million budget is beyond me, Harry K should be pissed that Eli has trashed his idea! Fuck this film, I'm out!!!!!!!!
June 2, 2007, 4:47 a.m. CST
Basically, people keep talking about this scene with a girl upside down, cut by a sick sycophant who has paid to butcher her and bathe in her blood. Congratulations, Eli, for reading about Elizabeth Bathory, the Bloody Countess, as she was known, and attempting to slip a modern version of her into a movie. YaaaaY!!! <br><br> Except it's been done. There are multiple movies on this person, who existed in I believe 14th century Hungary. But what is the point? Does the movie explore the serious psycological problems of the countess, who assuredly deserves a well made movie unto her own? Does the movie explore the relationship between serious dementia, her religious beliefs and her psychotic actions and her place in history, or is she merely used as a plot point set up a set piece of <font color="red">torture porn?</font><br><br>Essentially, if you are going to show shit like this, you better have a point. If you don't, then you are just as useless as Elizabeth bathory was.<br><br> <font color="red">Don't do evil. The world has enough.</font>
June 2, 2007, 5:20 a.m. CST
And apart from the eye-severing, it wasn't that disturbing in it's depiction of on-screen violence. It's the premise that's disturbing because you can actually imagine that there is a market for this type of thing somewhere out there. But Part 2 was just really long-winded and, frankly, boring. At least the first film had the decency to build up and up into an all-out assault on the senses, punctuated by a fantastic Hoffman cameo to help deepen the mythology and break the tension. Somebody has already mentioned the scene whereby a naked (and quite hot) woman bathes in the blood of the woman she is slicing up, yet this is the only scene where it feels like Roth is actually trying to outdo the first, and not just in terms of gore and horror, but in production design, cinematography, performance and soundtrack. It's the best directed scene in the movie, and also by far the most disturbing scene in any mainstream movie so far this year. Yet after this, there is very little in the way of torture scenes (unlike the first) which to be fair, is one of the main reasons the (sick?) public will go and see this movie. Am I sick for wanting MORE gore and terror in the third act? fucking right I am, but in a good way (ie I want to see people behaving in obscene and horrific ways as I am a nice and normal member of society and it's a cheap, vicarious thrill to watch a good old video nasty). Also the film (apart from the aforementioned slicing scene) is really badly made, with some weak performances and very little excitement and tension, and unforgiveably almost NO humour, (except for the very last scene).<p>In summation, I am not a perv or a prude, but I fucking hate lazy filmaking, that's what offends me, and Roth is getting worse each movie, not better.
June 2, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST
by team america
I know Eli reads this site, and I'm hoping he's watching this talkback diligently. It's good knowing that the majority of the users on here see this film for the waste of celluloid that it is.<p>Yes, Eli, I downloaded your shitty movie, because I'll be damned if you're going to con me out of $7 just to see a completely empty spectacle passing it off as an actual horror film. Instead, all you conned me out of was 90 minutes of my time, having wasted it watching another completely squandered opportunity to make a decent movie. What Quentin sees in you I'll never know -- he has a soft spot for trash, I guess -- but trust me, few other people are buying your talentless shtick.<p>I'll admit that I went into this with the lowest of expectations, but within the first two minutes I saw what may have been a glimmer of hope in the form of a good opening sequence. (heavy spoilers lie ahead, for those who care)<p>Opening with Jay Hernandez recovering in a hospital after the events of the first film was a nice touch, and having him be confronted by the local police in order to atone for his brutal murder of his friend's torturer was even classier. See, *that's* subverting our expectations. But, this being an Eli Roth film, nothing can be that good. Not only do you reveal that the cops interrogating Hernandez are actually involved with the torture operation, but you then have to go ahead and reveal that it was all just a dream sequence! *And then you go ahead and actually kill off his character in the very next scene!*<p>Jesus christ, what the fuck is wrong with you? You're fucking PT Barnum through and through! Here you are keeping your script a "well-guarded secret", saying that you've got plenty of surprises in store for us, but instead all you've got is the lamest, most cliched horror sequel setup known to man? <p>I don't know, man, maybe you were going for some crazy postmodernist statement by cleverly subverting our expectations with a genuinely interesting twist, only to squash that in a matter of minutes. Given the number of times you do so in this film, I began to wonder whether or not that was fully intentional. That's not to say that it's *admirable* by any means, because it would only go so far to suggest that you're intentionally keeping yourself from making a good film. And I don't know of any writer and director who would try to do that.<p>Things just continue in rote fashion from there. You seem to know that the audience for this film has seen the first and thus needs no set-up, and yet you try to instill the proceedings with a sense of dramatic tension anyhow. Frankly, I don't see the point -- your audience is there to see scenes of anonymous people getting tortured, so why even pretend that you're establishing an actual story with actual characters?<p>But nevermind that, because the first scene of actual torture comes in about halfway through the film, with Heather Matarazzo being strung upside down above a bathtub, completely naked, while a woman slices her neck open with a scythe and bathes in her blood. Heather is very convincing in this scene, and I guess if nothing else I applaud her ability to scream, whimper, and beg for her life as though she was actually about to die. Really, though, what the hell is the point? This isn't scary, this isn't disturbing, it's just unnecessarily violent to the point of instilling complete numbness in the viewer.<p>With the first film, you and your defenders were able to use the excuse that the two Ugly American leads got their comeuppance simply as a result of their ignorance. That's a defense that I don't buy, by the way, considering that you seem to indulge in the same frat boy mentality as your characters did. And that's not even to address the fact that these guys *probably* did not deserve to die for their minor transgressions. I don't know, just a hunch though. Personally I see it as a modern day equivalent of those 16th century Dutch morality tales in which kids are brutally murdered by the boogeyman for sucking their thumbs too much.<p>I kind of got off track here, though. Heather's character displays an earnest (if perhaps pompous) appreciation of European culture, and is hardly the ugly American you portrayed in the first film. So her crime is... what, exactly? Stupidly trusting a nefarious European man who anyone else could easily see isn't exactly the best person to accompany on a boat ride? Eli, you and James Wan, along with his writing partner Leigh Whannell, seem to share the same problem. You guys kind of misunderstand the fact that the best horror movies don't involve horrible things happening to people who don't deserve it, but rather horrible things happening to people who have engaged in horrible acts. You guys seem to be lazily trying to capture the same EC Comics morality play ethics seen in Tales from the Crypt or the Vault of Horror, but you just don't seem to understand actual motivations that drive real human beings.<p>And that just brings me to my largest complaint: the two American businessmen who you spend an inordinate amount of time following throughout the film. This is what finally cemented in my mind the fact that you have no idea what you're doing. Here are two guys that represent opposite ends of a spectrum, one buying his way into the torture factory with glee, while the other does so with great hesitance. Your idea of a "twist" is to reveal that the alpha male of the group actually can't go through with the murder of an innocent, while the nebbishy Roger Bart ends up reveling in the torture. Now, let's just set aside for a second the fact that this extreme change in his personailty makes no sense -- he goes from being concerned for the victim's well-being to knocking her unconscious and trying her back up, without any real justification for his behavior. I know you were just trying to subvert expectations once again, but you ended up playing into the most obvious route imaginable. Why even bother attempting to provide a character arc for this guy if he's really just there as an excuse to get his hilariously fake penis prop cut off by the female lead? If you really wanted to shock the audience, you would have focused your story on this guy as opposed to the three vapid lead females (was Bijou Philipps' character ever actually addressed by her name?). You would have established that he's a wary participant in this sick torture factory operation, and you would have presented him with a moral choice as though he was an actual human being, as any good horror author would have done (Clark Ashton Smith, here's to you, buddy): whether or not to actually carry through the torture and murder of an innocent person. Portraying him as a madman waiting to explode suggests a deeply nihilistic world view that I just don't understand.<p>Eli, I don't know what happened in your life to give you the impression that everyone on this planet is inherently amoral. I think it's pretty clear to most guys with a working brain that while people may tend to be pretty stupid on the whole, they at least like to maintain airs of basic kindness and compassion. The primary audience for your films would probably not (I sure hope not, anyhow) engage in any of the acts featured on-screen, and in a way these films serve as catharsis for them. You've got some angry young people seeing your films, people who are incapable of elucidating their thoughts and emotions in any meaningful manner. The kind of people who I saw "Bug" with last weekend, who laughed throughout the entire film expecting the kind of empty spectacle your films provide, who loudly demanded a refund when the credits started rolling. You've got an opportunity that few people have, to make movies that will potentially be seen by millions of people. You could speak out to these people, to provide them with something a little more thoughtful and introspective than your average "Saw" film. I think you could do it, too, if you only started caring about making a good movie.<p>Or, you know, you could go the same route as some of your contemporaries that you've been lumped in with, such as Neil Marshall, Rob Zombie, or fellow Troma alum James Gunn. I don't think any of these guys are great directors with a whole lot to say, but they genuinely seem to be interested in making films that are better than their previous ones. You can look at the differences between Dog Soldiers and The Descent, between House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects, or even Tromeo and Juliet and Slither, and easily see that these guys are huge movie fans who are interested in making films that are stylistically rewarding and entertaining. Each of them has managed to pull it off to varying degrees, but no one can deny that they've been showing improvement.<p>One can't say the same of you, Eli. You remind me of the kid from school who made it through with flying colors based solely on charm alone. You're a huckster, a modern day PT Barnum, good at talking your way into million dollar deals. Your films so far have been ugly, both in terms of composition and emotional value. You may have something to say, but so far you've done an absolutely poor job of saying it. The money may be a comfort now, but I think you'd find yourself a lot happier if you could manage to make a film that isn't a completely empty venture. When your only real mainstream support comes from the G4 cable network (Television for... gamers? No... television for who, exactly?), you should know that it's time to reconsider your accomplishments.<p>The emperor has no clothes, etc. Better luck next time, Eli.<p>PS didn't proofread this, errors abound, maybe. Trailing thoughts, etc. If so, sorry. I think I got my point across though.
June 2, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST
Time for a not so fun Profanity and Spoiler Laced Review of Hostel Part 2. LIke he said, Roth reads this site, and is probably at home now getting anally plugged while reading this talk back. anyway. I saw a screening for this crap….and said what the hey lemme save some of you guys some money. Eli Roth's Hostel. I wasn't a fan of Hostel. Im one of the ones who can deal with gore, pretty much loves it…but hated how so much of Hostel was just watching these unlikable characters run around some crappy European cities. ¾ of the movie was just….boring, until obviously the last 20 minutes or so. Then it was laugh out loud funny. Ok. Comparing the 2 movies, Hostel is easily better than Hostel 2. We are talking Matrix vs Matrix 2 and 3 here. Man what a shitty movie this is. Continuing with the Matrix analogy, If Hostel was an exercise in the Question "What is the Hostel?, Part 2 is an exercise in seeing if pure stank ass bullshit on a platter could actually make any money by just riding its predecessors coattails. You see, in this movie, we not only focus on the "travelers" , but we get to focus on what makes a Hostel tick! We see their business plan! We see their closet full of torture goodies with a fucking number on each of them so that you don't walk out and not return what you got! We get to see that the Hostel is ran like a got damn Disneyland, or a restaurant, complete with buzzers to let you know when your meal is ready. We even get to see businessmen from around the world bid on a girl via their cel phones, and see one fist pump his way to victory like he just won a toaster on Ebay. I'm not making this up. This story could have been interesting but it just comes off… silly as hell. Very Tales from the Cryptish. This movie focuses on a trio of girls named Lead Girl, Ugly girl, and Slut girl, while also focusing on 2 american males who will partake in the killing. The two guys are Alpha Male and Nerdy Friend. We see their stories weave in and out and eventually intersect. Whats going to happen to each of them is very obvious and completely telegraphed from the second you lay your eyes on each character. On the positive for Roth, he makes it very clear that this is what he is going for. This movie is extremely campy and pretty see thru. It is also a lot more fast paced than the first, save for some shitty euro trash music and a few boring town scenes. There are no real twists or turns, you pretty much know whats going to happen and pretty much who is going to die. The only question is…How? But that's supposed to be the treat in these kinds of movies right? That's why we go right? No way he can fuck that up right? Wrong. Lets go over the deaths, shall we? In the first 10 minutes,dude who lived in the last movie gets his head chopped off while eating his rice fuckin krispies…only we don't see it. We just see his headless body at the kitchen table with a reaction shot from his girlfriend. Yawn. Ugly Girl's death was kinda cool. But man was she ugly. See early on, we got to see a brief view of some hot girls tits. VERY brief. Whatever, I expect more to come. The next showing of tits however…is from the ugliest girl in the entire movie. She is so ugly her teeth are leaving her face. Seriously. That white trash ugly. That "damn turn around and lemme hit it from the back" ugly. One of those girls that has to know she is ugly. Anyway. He shows us the ugliest girl in the movie's tits..while she hangs upside down. Sheer..fucking… brilliance. Eli Roth is a fuckin genius I tell you! Not only are these ugly girls tits, but they are in and out of frame and upside down. Her whole death scene was pretty sick though, I'll give him that. Some sultry vampire looking bitch gets naked in a bathtub underneath ugly chick and uses a scythe to play tic tac toe on her back. As this happens, the bathtub gets filled up with her blood and the vampire lady proceeds to lather herself with it until she is zest fully clean. No fucking lie, at this point I'm fully expecting Blade to come in slicing people into dust before saving ugly girl from her death. No such luck. Another death, or shall I say face malfunction, occurs when Slut Chick gets a drill to her face…. only….we don't really see that either. Nope. Dude was paying attention to the plug and kind of just made a "oopsie" and cut into her face while he wasn't looking. Problem was we weren't looking either. We just see her bloody face and hear the screams and shit. So much FUN ELI! After that ,Alpha Male, the guy that we know has to get his comeuppance..Obviously finally gets his. There is no one in the movie you want to see get more fucked up then this guy…only no humans get to torture him. No ears get plucked off by scissors. No teeth extracted by a knife. No. This guy gets ate up quickly by some attack dogs in an elevator….only we don't see that either. Nah, of course not. We just see his bloody body afterwards and how people react to it. This Eli Roth is excellent at these set up shots and these reaction shots. Everything else? Um… Not so much. Then finally we get the money shot, literally. Last movie was the eye, this movie….Lead chick pulls off Nerdy dudes dick and balls with some pliers and feeds them to the dogs. What in the flying fuck. Yea man, we really wanna see some dudes dick. Everyone is going to love that shot. Roth, you faggot you. All this happens in front of 13 euro trash fucks with guns and their boss standing there trying to look like Anthony Hopkins or some shit. So yea, the movie pretty much ends after that. Oh yea, they threw in some line about the Lead Girl being really rich early on, so therefore at the end, she was able to basically buy her way out, before letting the Nerdy Guy bleed to death. Great message there Rothy!. Money trumps all! We then are treated to a scene of Lead Girl using the kids from the last movie to get the girl who set her up, so she could……………yea. Chop off her head with some giant old ass Anne Rice sword or some shit. Then the kids are shocked for a beat, then giggle, then play soccer with the girls head. Everyone laughs, cue more vampire music. Cut to credits. NO. FUCKING. LIE. THEY PLAY SOCCER WITH HER HEAD. Man…fuck this movie. Pure crap from start to finish, so I expect it to be number 1 and that all of you will love it. Just don't pay for it if you don't have to.
June 2, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST
oh well. i know most wont read that without spaces, but fuck it
June 2, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST
...people are actually being tortured with drills. I wonder how they feel about Americans watching drill torture for entertainment?
June 2, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST
June 2, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
like 99 percent of the crap hollywood "horror" movies. They are neither funny nor scary nor entertaining. They're just crappy, amateurish, stupid and dull exploitation flicks.
June 2, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST
If so I wanna tell him something. I almost got my ass kicked during Cabin Fever when my friend was the *only* one in the theater stupid enough to laugh at the "what's the gun for.....N@#$@" joke. In a very mixed theater. Not cool man, not cool.
June 2, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST
by Toxic Frog
It went a little downhill when the guy went back inside to save the girl, but other than that I thought it was great. I'll be seeing part 2 opening week.
June 2, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST
I can't believe he was given 4 million and this was the end result. I'm guessing 3 million went on Cocaine while brainstorming the script.
June 2, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST
by Particularly Hard Vato
This is my first talkback. Feels good, been reading the site for years, and I am sure I will piss off some adult virgins with my comment, so here goes... Man of Stool is right. The fact is, this kind of pervert excess crap would never have been allowed to be put in theaters 10 or 15 years ago. But standards have relaxed, and now I can go to sleep at night knowing that Eli Roth is producing films a child molester can't wait to see. Seriously- that's it. Yes, there will be people at this movie that do not molest children, torture animals, etc. but those kind of people really enjoy this type of crap. The fact that it is being pushed as "mainstream cinema" only makes them braver with their perverted ways. I don't care what kind of free speech/America/don't like it don't watch it/ bullshit argument anyone makes here, people other than the ones who watch this film are affected by it. You know why? Because those perverts get braver. They feel validated watching some girl get tortured and raped in a movie theater while people are watching Harry Potter in the next one over. So if you enjoy this kind of shit- and it is shit- stay the fuck away from elementary schools, pet stores, arcades, and where ever the fuck else perverts like to hang out after they get off watching Hostel. End of Rant.
June 2, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST
But this is getting to be a joke. First it's murder & stealing...now it's child molestation. Talk about taking things way to fucking serious. Two weeks after this movie has come out no one will even fucking be talking about it. Everyone acts all outraged. If you hate Eli and think he is a hack, its one thing. Once you start CALLING for censorship it's gone beyond disliking him and asking for the MPAA to start goosestepping all over films. People have been killing, raping and torturing people LONG before movies came out and will continue to do so. Anyone that sees this film and thinks they wanna copy such acts had that in them to begin with. The only reason it bothers me is that this is FAR from the first movie to have brutal vile acts in graphic detail. I Spit on Your Grave did not bring about the end of cinema. Cannibal Ferox didn't cause millions to begin eating their neighbors. People who see Hostel II should stay away from stores, arcades, etc? Well guess what? Right now there are sick freaks that have NO intentions of seeing this movie that have/could/will rape and murder that are in your stores and live near your children's school. Can anyone name me ONE instance of someone who has been tortured and killed because of Hostel? Just one. How about Dennis Rader? Oh yeah, that's right, he went all BTK on someone a good 30 years before Hostel. Maybe he has a time machine. I'm much more afraid of the crack/meth head down the road than some guy who saw Hostel. Instead of crying foul on a website about it and go out to the theaters showing the movie. Get off the soapbox and get out to protest. If you REALLY, REALLY think Hostel II will be dangerous and not just bad filmmaking that will come and go pretty fast then quit wasting time online...get out there...and do something.
June 2, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST
fucking soccer? Are you kidding me? A cheap mention that the main character's a rich girl, and all of a sudden these Russian Nazi bastards (yeah that's right I called 'em RUSSIAN Nazis) are gonna be all like "OK OKAY, that's cool, you can go". I hope she wrote 'em a legible I.O.U. note, or they won't be able to get the money from her later. Maybe the motive for such a RETARDED fucking plot "twist" was to cover up the even lamer change or "transformation" (if you will) of the lead girl into a penis hacking remorseless psycho. And by quotation marks I mean " -RETARDED and " -BULLSHIT. And by retarded bullshit, I mean Eli Roth. I was actually holding out some hope for this thing, and admit the first 10 minutes were promising... Up until Stubby's breakfast, and Jordan Ladd not wearing panties and a tight little t-shirt downstairs to see it all. And as an earlier poster so gentlemanly put it, why the fuck was the titty and ass lense on the ugliest slow-motioniest trainwreck of a girl more than Phillips and the lead? I can see this movie not functioning as a good sequel, or even a good gorefest, but to not include what basically any softcore porn director capable of spelling his own name correctly would at least accomplish, is fucking unforgiveable. I almost hope they take Cell away from Roth for this. What a piece of shit.
June 2, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST
A DVD workprint of this was leaked onto torrent sites, and I have to say I enjoyed it, but it was unfinished in terms of special effects. I'll check it out in the theater as a respect to Mr. Roth.
June 2, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST
Good encapsulation -- that third paragraph from the end really hit home. Movie-going audiences have gotten MUCH more lazy as a whole. Add to that the fact that they can't distinguish a good film from one that is not and there you go. The fact that Roth's films represent a kind of neo-nihilistic worldview: "oh well, everything's fucked, might as well revel in it and despair" does not an entertaining or edifying film make. Darth Tarter: I understand what you are saying re: the unquantifiable nature of media's influence on society. For me, films like this help to further spread an effect of callousness in society-at-large. In regards to violence / language / sex / etc it helps to remember Ebert's observation of "Not what is it (the film) about but how is it about it?"
June 2, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST
I've yet to read any real reason why people think Eli Roth is a talentless hack. In fact, I think he's quite talented. He's got a great visual eye and works well with actors. My guess is that when someone is as praised as Eli so early in his career, people feel the need to tear him down. And it must be easy in an anonymous talkback. Regarding HOSTEL, I know it started with a conversation between Harry and Eli. But I can't help but think that recent acts of terrorism played a part in the story's themes. I remember hearing of terrorists beheading captives on camera and releasing the footage to the masses. I've never seen such footage. But the film does allow people some satisfaction to see the torturer (terrorist) get a taste of his own medicine in the end.
June 2, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST
by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies
friend of Harry's. None of the visitors to this site give a fuck about anything he does because he such a fundamentally untalented individual.
June 2, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST
(and I caution that this observation comes after just SKIMMING the download of the movie)...it doesn't look particularly good, and the ending seems utterly ridiculous. The girl-hanging-upside-down scene is more than a little reminiscent of Miike's "Imprint", with the Elizabeth Bathory twist thrown in. It does appear--again, after a VERY cursory look--that this doesn't work on the same level as the first Hostel, which I actually liked quite a bit. So, looks like Eli is 2 for 4 far as I'm concerned: "yay" to Hostel 1 and the Thanksgiving trailer, "boo" to Cabin Fever and Hostel 2. Maybe I'll change my view after watching the whole thing, but at this point I gotta say it doesn't look like it's worth a ten dollar ticket to me.
June 2, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST
How can you people really get so upset about this shit? Movies like this are fun. I only kind of liked Hostel, but in no way do I think of it as "TorturePorn" You people need to realize that everybody can think how they want and wnjoy what they want. And your whole shit about Eli Roth being sick is fucking ridiculous, Go watch Miike and come back here. This type of cinema is new and in my opinion refreshing. For the first time MakeUp effects and Cgi can be blended to show pretty much anything your mind can think of.
June 2, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST
by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa
Your argument made no sense. If you actually care to think, using that swiss-cheesed brain of yours, about the ramifications of what you said, you might come to a different conclusion. Downloading a film such as this one, a major studio release, instead of seeing it is not an act of poor morality. The argument that it is morally wrong, i.e. equated with stealing, is wrong. You are corrupting yourself by associating morality with monetary value. To think that something owned by a gigantic nebulous collection of shareholders, made essentially just to circulate money, will be effected and IF SO, somehow hurt society and individual morality, you are very, very, very, very, very wrong. More than anything else, the subversion of individual morality by these hollow arguments--to make money into morals--is the real problem. Want to improve yourself and your neighbor? Stop thinking in such a self-centered way, stop putting a value on everything and making decisions based only on money. Want to improve your neighbor? Then care about him/her (yes, a person not a corporation) genuinely, without having to think about money. In short, go fuck yourself, you've doomed yourself for being caught in the epistemology of money, but that doesn't mean you have to infect other people the same way. This, if anything, helps more than it hurts.
June 2, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST
by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa
I don't know what you mean by: "the day you to find out the hard way, what it's like to be violated. It's the only way you'll learn anything in life: if it hits you in the fucking face so hard, you don't recognize yourself in the morning." If some guy came up to me and took my wallet and drained my bank account, stole my car, set my place on fire, I'd continue living. Period. That stuff doesn't make up what really matters. P.S. How the hell do you format to put spaces in here?
June 2, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE>So...</span> OK, you said in your second post that you didn't understand my argument. Thanks for clarifying something that was painfully obvious in your first post. That's called redundancy, by the way, and you should avoid it because life is short. (Let that sink in for a minute before responding, please.)</p> <p class=MsoNormal>To reiterate, just for you, you summer-school-flunky: stealing is wrong. It doesn't matter what it is you're steeling. You are confusing the value of what you are steeling with the moral value of the ACT of steeling (or the lack thereof). </p> <p class=MsoNormal>Sad you can't even spell Lou Reed's name properly to give yourself a nickname on this posting board... <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>but I'll give you a centimeter of leeway, in case I'm missing the joke. However, I'm going for a simpler solution: I think you are just as stupid as you appear to be in words. Hell, man, you couldn't even spell my surname right to insult me. I mean, how low can you go? Probably not much, since it seems to me that you ARE the festering bottom of the barrel of stupidity. </p> <p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE>Perrier, anyone?</span> (And aren't my spaces between paragraphs really nifty?)</p>
June 2, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST
C'mon, man. Your argument is completely destroyed by your sudden use of insults and profanity. It make you sound/read petulant. And pointing out someone else's spelling mistakes right after misspelling the same word twice makes you look retarded. I wonder what the world would be like if all artists demanded payment before their artwork could be seen/heard/felt/experienced?
June 3, 2007, 1:09 a.m. CST
June 3, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST
Word is, that the film is set to be released some..... 80 years ago.
June 3, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST
Hooray for total crap. Fuck these movies. I actually remember watching Cabin Fever for the first time and thinking how Eli Roth might actually end up doing cool things. Boy was I wrong. The fact that these movies are sick doesn't bother me so much as the fact that they are unimaginably stupid.
June 3, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST
I'm trying to conduct an interview with Michael Bay, but Harry Knowles keeps shoving his cock into his mouth. All I've heard so far is,"mmmmsusssluuurrrppppmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmsssslllluuurrrppppmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmSpielbergsllllurrrppppmmmmmmmmmmsssssslllluuurrppppppmmmmmmmmmmmm"
June 3, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST
a true attack of the clones. and what's a lurpms?
June 3, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST
by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa
By that response, it speaks for itself and needs no answer really. And yeah my name is an incredibly secret in-joke that only I know.
June 3, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST
June 3, 2007, 2:28 a.m. CST
<p class=MsoNormal>I <span class=SpellE>gotta</span> say<span class=GramE>,</span> I really fucked up the title of my last post. I meant to follow the dude’s moniker with “your Malaysian <span class=SpellE>cunt</span> ring *argument*.” The difference being of course that this expression is hardly useable as an insult (if you know what it means). But the title is apparently too long to fit in the log-line and the word “argument” got cut off. I am an ass for not carefully proof-reading it, no doubt about that. That my mistake turned the title into a vile insult makes me an asshole to boot. </p> <p class=MsoNormal>I genuinely feel bad about how that came out, and I apologize to everyone who read it. I mean that sincerely, for what it’s worth.</p>
June 3, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST
Ok, in no particular order here it goes (i) If a lady has a pair of scissors tightly wrapped around your man bits THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU CALL HER A C**T!, no matter how crazy you are, I guarantee no man would. Shows Eli don't know shit or has no penis. (ii) What motive does the Russian Mafiosos or whatever the fuck they are have to let her go?! Keeping to one side the head dude is clearly rich as fuck and is getting a steady income from this torture pish - say Eli os trying to make a statement about greed and the guy just can't get enough! Even so, let's say she has as much money as Bill Gates & she gives them all of it - you would hope they'd take it and then still kill her for fuck sake, talk about a sloppy organisation! One that you've been trying to tell us is "Global" for the entire fucking film! Which brings me to (iii)It's just one hostel?! Don't you think the cops would eventually figure this one out? I thought Eli would at least try to bring it to america and show it's a network or something! (iv) OK, two guys one a bad-ass and one a geek - geek turns bad-ass and bad-ass turns geek! OK, despite the piss-poor acting lets justr say we buy it (we don't) but for now let's just say we do. Why the fuck do they happen at the exact same time!!!!!If you simply delayed the "transformation" you would have had a better "twist"! Say the geek turns bad-ass and the bad-ass is still a bad ass then the audience (the ones who haven't fell asleep) would be like WTF everyone's fucked, then bad-ass turns gay and you think Ah, there's our hero, then he gets fed to the dogs (shit death btw) and then back to the peril. Or vice-versa where yopu think two good guys, they've got a shot - then no good guys they're fucked! But it all happens so quick you just think, this is fucking shit! And it is, you were right - well done! It's a shit script and all this talk of bringing "horror sequals back" shows Eli Roth to be a bit of a faggot - the reasons ALIENS and Devils Rejects are so good is cos' they have completely different stories from the first - they're not the same stuff - HOSTEL 2 IS THE SAME FILM AS HOSTEL. It's the equivelent of a remake to be perfectly honest, get it to fuck! I hope Oceans 13 runs riot all over it and I hated Oceans 12 it was a big in-joke, Hostel 2 is the same except it's not funny. Cell should be the last thing on Eli's mind. Go back to film school or make "Trailer Trash" seeing as you only bneed to film 3mins, might be all your good for these days. I actually think he's fucked his career up w/ this one cos' it shows that he's a flook and a cock smoker. Fuck this film!
June 3, 2007, 6:18 a.m. CST
It's payback. Payback for being cheated out of a lot of money over the years by the moneygrabbing bastards in Hollywood and the music industry. The prices of DVD are too high. The prices of videotapes were high. They took advantage of the love people have for movies and really scammed them out of big bucks. I was scammed out of some bucks too, because of my love for movies, but thanks to the growth of internet I won't be scammed anymore. The actors and actresses who deserve my hard earned money will still get my hard earned money. The list is veeeeeeery small, however. As for the Hostel movies. It wouldn't suprise me if rich people really snuff people just for the kick of it. The world has become a sick place. So who says that the things you see in Hostel are imagination ? In fact, I even believe Hollywood people, be it actors or producers or whatever, participate in some nasty things that will never see the daylight.
June 3, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST
of this garbage. never 'Saw' the first one, certainly won't be getting anywhere near this. Miike shows some crazy shit, but guess what he actually does it within context (most times). funny story: i love Death Proof (went to Grindhouse 4 times...that was what half their box office lol). worst part to sit thru is the scene with some quasi-metro fratboy laying out the poon hunt plan...turned out to be ELI ROTH...haha didn't even know it was him until i saw a commercial for some 'Icons' show about this twazzock. Quentin you need to shut this fool down...backing this hack's tripe is more inexcusable than killing off Mr. Pink!!!!
June 3, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST
by Pound Sand
June 3, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST
... this doesn't open till the end of the month, apparently. By that time I'll know exactly what to expect. Watched the first HOSTEL, and thought it was fairly plotless and redundant, with some awful set work in the early touristy sequences. it felt, and the sequel sounds, nothing more than an update of Hammer-style movies like VAMPIRE CIRCUS. Same plot, anyways (innocent-sounding place is merely a front for dsatardly goings on). And Hammer did Elizabeth Bathory in COUNTESS DRACULA, iirc. Speaking of Bathory, didn't she turn up as the baddie in the woeful this - video - game - will - kill - you flick STAY ALIVE from a year or two back?
June 3, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST
Thanks for the compliments. You are a perceptive young man....
June 3, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST
by Birdys Piano Teacher
Judging by the work print. Similar in quality to the first.
June 3, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST
"The haters" hate HOSTEL by TORTURE PWN Jun 1st, 2007 "...because it scares them and makes them uncomfortable." No, I hate "Hostel" because it's a terrible film. aaaaaaaaaa
June 3, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST
June 3, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST
Roth interview / Hostel articles = HD-DVD banner ads / "Harry's HD format Choice."
June 3, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST
by GibsonUSA Returns
The first Hostel wasn't scary at all. It was just gross. I go to horror movies to get scared, not to be grossed out.<BR><BR> With that being said, I actually sort of enjoyed the first one for the scary fact that, like someone said, it could actually happen somewhere out there. But there's no need for a 2nd imo. Why pay $10.50 to be grossed out?
June 3, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST
haha don't break the cypha!
June 4, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST
You Goddamn right!
June 4, 2007, 4:20 a.m. CST
bunch of fucking cry baby arseholes... so what he makes a movie that has some crazy fucks torturing some tourists.. big fucking deal, if its to hard to watch and makes you feel all icky inside then sit down with your fucking disney dvds and shut the fuck up and let the rest of us enjoy people getting maimed and fucked up in digital surround hi-def goodness in the comfort of our secret soundproof basements...
June 4, 2007, 4:29 a.m. CST
Why don't you shut up!!! All you know I may wank it to disney, and I don't doubt the only thing you have in your basement if some fucking dirty mags you hide from your mom maybe a few pics of your crippled sister
June 4, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST
"All you know I may wank it to disney" i couldnt of put it better you child.
June 4, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST
I think bongo123 needs to be registered as a possible sex offender.
June 4, 2007, 5:18 a.m. CST
LOL thats probably his clown name when he dresses up in his suit.
June 4, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST
pelvis's hand up yer arse? fucking twats the pair o ye. OOooo mummy i seen some blood boohoo... away back to the cartoon fucking network you morons
June 4, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST
Toby___Wong, your recourse in the event a product is too expensive is to NOT BUY IT. You don't get to say, "Corvettes have been too expensive for years, so I will steal one." Same goes for DVDs, CDs, etc. You kids today and your sense of entitlement...
June 4, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST
i love the 'you wouldn't steal a car' argument in regards to bootlegging. you see, vehicles are held to certain tangible standards and you can research/test drive. they are by no means disposable product for cash hungry media goons (except for the ones that transform...) can't test drive a movie now, can ya? movies these days are a gamble and (judging by trailers and the overwhelming negative response here) it looks like going to see Hostel is equivalent to Russian Roulette with a slug in every chamber. BTW i'm not saying FUCK HOSTEL because of gore/violence...i've seen a couple Miike films and Battle Royale is one of my favorite movies. i'm saying FUCK HOSTEL because i don't even have to watch it to know that it's weak sauce. and that's pretty sad, because i'm fairly easily entertained. i even thought Haute Tension was decent - umm until the stupid ass ending came.
June 4, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST
no, torture and rape suck.
June 4, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST
NO. IT. COULDN'T. it would work the first time, maybe the second. But the more people disappeared in this backcountry (especially Americans: ie, pretty blonde girl in Mexico). The more the news would be all over it. And the less likely this would go on. ........... Now, for the real reason this situation is in this movie: Eli Roth wanted to torture and murder people in the most profoundly sick ways possible... and he needed a vaguely believable way to do it. The premise of this movie is nothing but an excuse to show mutilation and torture... other 'classic' horror films, the gore and death are results of the situation, not the purpose of the situation. People (especially people who let their pre-teens watch this) need to get therapy... seriously. I've seen one scene of this movie, and I'll never watch another clip or interview concerning it. Trey and Matt had it right... it'll stop with baby fuckin.. because by then we will all have been tortured to death by Eastern European torture porn purveyors while begging for our lives.
June 4, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST
Now that I've seen all the Hostel 2 shilling, and the truly embarrassing HD-DVD advertisement (I personally use HD-DVD and it embarrassed me) I think I'll just bookmark the @ssholes section and be done with the rest. Bug and everyone over at the comics section, you would do well to jump off this sinking ship while you have the chance.
June 4, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST
Postive reviews are starting to show up. This movie is goin to kick ass. http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/05/31/movie-review-hostel-part-ii/ http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/010221.html
June 4, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST
EVERY bootleg DVD dude in the city was pimping the workprint this weekend. You know, the weekend before the movie opens. What the fuck happened there?<br><br> As for the flick, ehhhhhhhhhhh, t'was okay. The faux-Mamet banter got a little old (okay, a lot old. Roth ain't Mamet). As for the gooey bits, Roth is steeped in the Grand Guignol tradition, even more so in this installment (most notably in the theatrical "upside down" sequence).<br><br>But, I find myself having the same problem as I had with the first. He shots the big money shots in such a way that they're obviously effects. SPOLIER SPOLIER SPOLIER SPOLIER SPOLIER SPOLIER SPOLIER SPOLIER SPOLIER Take the "I Spit on your Grave" castration against the Hostel 2 one. The former provides a sick jolt, the later provides chuckles at the rubber ding-dong. Not exactly the stuff that will cause the outrage he's hoping for.
June 4, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST
A poster says "at least it was real" ( or some such). Um, no it wasn't. Well, outside of newsreel footage it's all bogus: Take a ride on the clue train: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faces_of_death
June 4, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST
June 4, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST
Well, I have to say this talkback has restored my faith in fanboy humanity. Let's call it like it is: Eli Roth makes sick shit for sick psychos. It's time for the Film Industry to show some courage like good guys Mike White and Joss Whedon and call fuckers like Eli Roth the dirt bags they really are. These movies have no redeeming value, they play to the lowest common denomenator and they are the mark of seriously disturbed individuals. Producers, directors and especially ACTRESSES, show some fucking self respect and refuse to do business with this type of turd. Movie going fanboys, shun this shit and patronize material actually worth your two hours and $10. As for AICN, the only contributor that I regularly read anymore is Moriarty, as he at least shows some maturity and thoughtfulness. The rest of you are nothing but industry shills. Someone needs to step up to the plate at AICN and show some editorial oversight. Four front page posts on Hostel and no coverage of some really good films currently playing, like Waitress or Year of the Dog or Once is a fucking crime.
June 5, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST
I didn't see Hostel 1 simply because, even though I am a movie freak, I am just not into horror movies that are more about blood & guts/torture, than actual thrills & scares. Cabin Fever I did enjoy though because it had a modicum of humor that came across well & balanced out the blood & guts; & the Thanksgiving trailer was just downright hysterical. I really had no intention of seeing Hostel 2 simply cause I didn't see the first one, but after watching the commercial for it last week I thought it actually looked worth seeing, especially since the guy from the TV series the Sentinel, & apparently Desperate Housewives (hate that friggin show), was in it & I found his part pretty funny. So tonight, after scoring some passes from a friend of mine here in Philly, I attended a pre-screening of it and you know what, I thought it was great. Was the movie bloody? Yes. Was it pretty graphic? Yes. Should you watch it if you have a weak stomach? No. Yet, was it as graphic and heinous as most would lead you to believe? Hell no. It's really entertaining actually. The audience that I was watching it with was really into it from beginning to end, especially at the end when 2 of the main villians get what's coming to them, one spectacularly so. Yet again, the movie had enough humor sprinkled throughout to balance out all the blood & gore and to keep you invested in the characters. The coolest part of the movie was the storyline involving the rich guys that buy their way into the hostel to fullfill their thrill/kill fantasies. The camera follows them step by step, from purchasing their eventual victims online in a worldwide bidding war, to their journey to the hostel, where one overly aggressive purchaser, who has brought his best friend with him, tries to psyche his friend up into killing mode, to the eventual torture of the individual victims, or vice versa; you find out. Afterward there was a q & a session with Eli Roth himself and the guy came across as nothing but a cool, down to earth, & funny assed dude. He answered questions for about 30 minutes and was courteous with everyone there. I found nothing unlikable about the guy & for those people out there knocking him how about this: see the movie for yourself before you knock it. It actually is good and has a great ending, which always helps.
June 5, 2007, 4:13 a.m. CST
by blonde redhead
about bijou philips. i was a guest on the set of the remake of the wizard of gore and i think it would be fair to call her more than a bit 'actory'. she disrupted that set more than i've ever seen ANY actor do on ANY set, period. she made life utter hell for one of her co-stars (who i won't name out of respect and a possible lawsuit) and walked off the set numerous times in the ten hours i was there, throwing tantrums, screaming and crying in front of about a hundred extras and generally acting like the star she isn't. so i hope eli told her to shut the fuck up more often than not. she is extremely unprofessional to say the least, and i'll leave it at that. i ended up hanging out with jeffrey combs (who eats with the crew) and we talked about how cool patrick mcgoohan was over dinner. jeffrey rocks. really. that movie may fucking suck, but eating dinner with herbert west kicked my geekgirl ass. anyhow, i like eli roth. he's a horror nerd and he's a nice guy, and although i still think cabin fever was his best and i WISH he'd make thanksgiving, i'll see this as well.