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ANGEL Co-Creator Greenwalt To Oversee New Private Detective Vampire Series For CBS!!!
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CBS has hired David Greenwalt - who co-created and oversaw the WB vampire private detective series “Angel” with Joss Whedon - to serve as showrunner of the upcoming vampire private detective series “Moonlight”!
Like the title character in “Angel,” the main vampire character in “Moonlight” became a bloodsucker decades ago when he was bitten by a vampire girlfriend. He subsequently falls for a mortal girl.
Unlike the Los Angeles-based Angel, CBS’ new vampire P.I. (Alex O’Loughlin) operates in New York.
Read all of the Hollywood Reporter’s story on the matter here.
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"First" posters are FAGS!
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kill yourself david greenwalt
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Who honestly expected ANOTHER show about a vampire private investigator so soon after the last one? Is this template replacing cop/lawyer/doctor dramas? Will we soon see ads for "Moonlight: Las Vegas"?
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I mean, why don't they just make a sitcom about 6 twentysomethings and all the antics that go down amongst them as they make their way towards their thirties, only they live in... Los Angles, not NY. ;)
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Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Well if it worked for Angel...
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only if by FAGS you mean Fuck Ass Gay Sex!.... wait... what? you're just sad you got sloppy gay seconds.
On point as redeculous as this sounds. It may be as good as gay sex! -
which is/was a fun show, Greenwalt has looked pretty freakin' uninteresting since the days of Angel and even then it was on Whedon's creative back.
What style is this going to be? Dark and edgy, dark and humorous, dark and musical?
Stake it and go on to the next concept. -
Wrong. Greenwalt was Angel's showrunner from S1 - S3. It was only really Whedon's show in S5.
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Now I'm really looking forward to this. I hope they finish the reshot pilot in time so that it airs this fall. I don't want it to be pushed to midseason.
Speaking of midseason, hopefully CBS will air the Amber Tamblyn zombie dramedy "Babylon Fields". I'm really anxious to see that. -
I saw 'Vampire Detective' and assumed Marvel was making Hannibal King, this whole forever Knight meets Angel's agency with one syllable dropped off of Moonlighting miasma already sucked last month. Get it? Because vampires 'suck' blood. It must be sad to have a contract to produce or star in a show when everyone starts hating onit as early as the up-fronts and you know your project if doomed from the get-go. I mean, getting paid to do anything is nice, but once you know you've got a flop on your hands don't you just want to move on and find something new? this negativity is entirely based on a couple paragraphs of description. This could be great if there's lots of graphic violence and four of the cast regulars have enormous breasts. Otherwise, not so likely.
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I don't deny that Greenwalt ran the show while Whedon was off flying space ships but the show was Whedon's baby and Greenwalt worked from his creative framework (thus the "on Whedon's creative back" comment). I still would like to see something from him that is not quite so derivative.
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...then why the fuck did they cancel Angel? Because, however good this new series might be, it won't be better.
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Maybe they'll leave off with the detective fighting a dragon?
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I predict yet another mopey undead model type. "Boo hoo hoo, I'm immortal, boo hoo hoo, can't bite people because it's so wrong. Poor, poor, beatiful, super-powered me.
To quote Pronsius Cassidy, "Yer a wanker, aren't ye?" -
..that would be damned interesting. Or Mummy CSI.
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Is the lingering influence of Buffy, because I think I have the same problem. I enjoyed the show, it's over now, I have moved on and whatnot. And yet, the influence is still there. If I am at my local rental emporium and I see a film that has Marc Blucas or Emma Caulfield or Clare Kramer in it, I feel compelled to watch it. No matter how bad it looks! And they're not even the stars of the show! Here I am, a reasonably intelligent guy, and I am renting DVDs based on my curiosity about supporting players in the Buffy world. That is some sort of problem, I think.Anyway, digression aside, I will not be watching this new vampire/detective melarkey, which also sounds a bit like that book by that guy (you know the one). That was in New York, too.
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Just thinking about renting "They", "Darkness Falls", and "The Skulls III" all on the same night is cringe-inducing. Sadly, I do know what you're talking about though... I just had to see "Date Movie" and have been paying for it ever since.
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I dont want to watch another version of Angel, I want to watch Jericho
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8mm 2 (Julie Benz), Darkness Falls (Emma Caulfield), Voodoo Moon (Charisma Carpenter), Date Movie (Alyson Hannigan), Valentine (David Boreanaz), House On Haunted Hill (James Marsters for 2 seconds) - I have seen all of these and more and not enjoyed any of them. Also, let us not forget, absolutely everything Sarah Michelle Gellar has ever done. I am a grown man and I have watched Scooby Doo 2 even though I didn't like the first one!I think I need professional help.
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normally this is the kind of show i'd be into, which is exactly why i'm not going to watch it. it'll be cancelled faster than drive. if not, i'll wait for the dvds.
though i have to say - i think that putting greenwalt in charge is a good move... having someone who had first-hand knowledge of angel maybe the best way of making the new show *un-like* angel. he'd easily be able to spot copycat moves and (hopefully) steer things in a different direction. -
I won't watch this show. Or the other shitty angel knock off that I my buddy told me about that airs on Lifetime.
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Oh what could have been.
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angel was briliant.one of teh best shows in the last decade. a travesty it was cancelled, brilliant writing, brilliant actors had the whole package. I fell into the buffyverse by watching an epsiode of buffy that i saw on tv one day by casually flicking through the channels. it was buffy vs dracula, i think the opening for season 5 or 4. anyhow, i watched it and thought this show is increbibly acted and written. i had previously dismissed it as teenage angst nonsense.
anyhow i got the dvds and they were brilliant, i watched angel from that and that show i thought was becoming even better
its a travesty that the no shows from joss are on tv right now. i'd love to get into this new vamp show, but im not going to, even with grenwalt on board. i'd ratehr have angel back then a cheap copy, even though i know thats not going to happen since he's on that lacklustre bones show
we need a new vamp series joss, save us from the current slew of rubbish thats out there (this exlcudes, galatica, 24, lost, house, heroes, boston legal and the dead zone( veronica mars rip) -
hah i know what you both mean! i think the thing is it really shows the level of writting that was on the series, cause the actors excelled in those roles, and everything else they've done has been lackluster. I miss those shows.
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I'll give you that Whedon created the character of Angel, but it was Greenwalt who turned him a mysterious love interest into a fully fleshed character. Whenever Whedon wrote Angel after 1x01, he became the brooding love interest and it always negated the character work they'd done. Greenwalt never gets enough credit for adding depth and individuality to Angel.
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Jun 01, 2007 8:46:55 AM CDT
Angel was good, but it was the right time to let it go
by richard cranium
Boreanaz and Marsters were both really starting to show their age at the end. I mean, they had been playing the characters for 7 and 8 years respectively, it was starting to get hard to suspend their 'they never age' disbelief. I agree, give Whedon something else to do on TV, but the Buffyverse has run it's course. Let it go.
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as much as i loved angel, the whole "vampire P.I." angle was pretty much dropped by the middle or near the end of season 2....it became a bigger story with bigger issues and dealt more with the buffy/angel universe than the P.I thing....i think what this show is attempting to do and what forever knight also did was have the P.I./COP angle be the focus....in the case of knight, 90% of the time it was ur typical cop show but the cop happened to be a vampire, sure it dealth with his past and abilities and they met other vampires and what not but it was mostly a cop show....i think this is what this new show is trying to do...be a P.I. show that happens to feature a vampire.
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... they'd set everything up for The Apocalypse and in Year 6, they could have worked towards a conclusion of their own choosing and timing, instead of ending in mid swing like that.
Having said that, given how narrowly they avoided cancellation after Season 4, they probably should have been more aware of the possibility of cancellation after the end of Season 5 and planned accordingly (and been less surprised when it happened - mind you, easy to think you're safe when you improve ratings by 20% or so after a budget cut of about 20%).
On the one hand, I'm disappointed that BSG has been cancelled but at least they know now instead of at the end of the year with a projected years worth of storylines suddenly having to be crammed into 6 weeks. -
Good work getting Angel back on the air! Remember to hire all the same writers and directors and sfx people. And shoe-horn Wheedon in as a producer. Oh, and please get Alexis Denisoff a role as something. We miss him. Just don't let CBS catch on...
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...will be every tard who has to point out Forever Knight and Angel whenever this show is brought up. And there will be lots. A wave of tards all heralding their own astute understanding of all television after 1990.
I'll watch this show. You'll watch this show. Let's hold hands. -
Another tiny tardwave caps and crashes. Thanks tardwave.
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But then again that was a similar concept, except instead of a vampire detective the main character was a priest solving mysteries. Miracles was a great show, so perhaps he can revamp this concept? Or maybe it will just end up like Minear and Drive :(
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...this fall, then pull it off the air until February. They'll bring it back after all that time, everyone will complain about the break and CBS will cancel it after one season.
Why even bother watching the network shows? They push all of their crap on us then give it no support.
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Hey all of you lamenting the fall of Buffy/Angel/Whedonverse, you know Season 8 is going in comic book from right now as you speak, right? This is official canon, written by Joss Whedon himself, picking up after the destruction of Sunnydale and the activation of the slayers, and even references events in the season of Angel that happened after Buffy ended. There is only 3 issues out so far...and they all kick ass...
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This show is 10 years too late. Buffy, Angel and Blade ruined the genre. Oldman's Dracula was the last decent one.
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I mean, really...A private detective? First off, I just quit my job as a private detective because said job basically sucks. Just about all PIs do really is try to get video of people who have worker's comp suits. We don't solve crimes or lead interesting lives. We hide in parked cars with video cameras.
Secondly, why get a job at all? I mean, if I were a vampire looking to help the world, I'd just pull up the Sex Offender Registry and go to town. Or go after criminals that get off on technicalities. Face it: There are plenty of bad guys to suck upon. No need for a "job". -
I know people are going to dog me for that comment but seriously to this generation I think that show and Buffy will live a long after life. Maybe Forever Knight was about a Vampire PI but Angel was about alot more. If you watched the show starting with the third or fourth episode in the season you wouldn't know he was a PI,it was just used as a point to move the story along at times. Bring back Angel and Jericho for atleast one more season.
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Mr.Marmoset and company I share your affliction. I once watched the movie Pinata aka Survival Island because Nicholas Brendan was the main charactor and Cool Money starring Spike himself James Marsters. It's hard not to want to see these actors succeed when they have given us so many hours of great entertainment.
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It's about a werewolf who works in New York as a police mug shot photographer. No no no, wait! A mummy, who works in Chicago as a meter maid. Dammit! This is hard. Ok, how about a vampire who works as a private detective in L.A.? Yeah, I think that one might work. AGAIN.
Just bring back Angel and be done with it. I wanna know what happens! -
I've always wondered about vampires needing a job. After all, if a vampire put even just $1000 in the bank at 5% for 200 years ...
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The first few seasons were ass.Angle got good at the end.
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Just add the -ing. What'd I say?
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it actually ripped off the made for tv movie staring Rick Springfield (which was a pilot and I forget what it was called) - hey! It was like 20 years ago. sheesh.
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with a corrupt family that builds housing developments. We can film it like a documentary, have a narrator (see if Fred Savage wants to do it), and follow the main character and his crazy family. We should have the main character, his son, his sister and her family, his two brothers, and his crazy parents. Get someone like Mitch Hurwitz to run it. They can call it Jail House. It will do great.
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It's a scifi about the colonization of other worlds after all of the resources on Earth have been used up. We can focus on the crew of a spaceship. The captain will be a Robin Hood type of person. We can call it, Junebug.
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didn't Greenwalt have something to do with that? Also had the Rade dude. Greenwalt's track record hasn't been great since Angel. With one towering exception. The awesomeness that was Miracles. Except that was mostly Kripke. Screw Jericho and Supernatural. Miracles should have lasted.
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in that Rick Springfield movie? The original Forever Knight?
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I too feel your pain! As a die-hard Buffy and Angel fan, I am constantly eying the work of Buffy alumni and find myself watching their work. There's still plenty of stuff to see, but I've already sat through some pretty terrible crap. Like Darkness Falls, which completely blew. Also, Marc Blucas was on a (relatively) recent episode of House and I loved that this season of 24 (which sucked almost as hard as Darkness Falls) featured both Eric Balfour (who played Xander's buddy Jesse in Welcome to the Hellmouth and The Harvest) AND D.B. Woodside, who played Principal Wood in Buffy's final season.
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... are sooo 1998!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
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That's what I meant!!!!!
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Now THAT would be a dynamic duo!
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Over under anyone?
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... on that crazy-ass rip-off CSI show where they look at evidence on a holographic projection table, hot asian chicks get married to the office nerd and the lead investigator slurs all her words together (but she is one of those lovely Deschanel sisters, so I can forgive this minor annoyance)
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Put her in something. Acting ability aside, she's good TV eye candy.
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Just saw the BTVS movie with Kristy Swanson again the other day. Watching it now after seeing the Buffy and Angel series was sobering...that movie just sucked ass. The best part was Pee Wee Herman's death scene and that wasn't very good! Not much of ANYTHING is original these days, so you're going to have derivitive stuff. Yes, this is probably a little too soon to re-do Angel, but if it's good, you know you'll be watching. Kyle XY ripped off a dozen shows/movies, but I liked it. Lost In Space blatantly used the phrase "Space Family Robinson" because Disney's movie, "The Swiss Family Robinson" was enormously popular at the time. And so on, and so on. Complaining is kinda pointless. Instead, let's collectively do a treatment for a vampire caveman in love with a desperate housewife whose superhero husband is buried in the basement, leaving her to search for her children, whose plane disappeared over the Pacific in her spare time from running a ghost whispering detective agency. Yeah...that's got to sell.
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That's all. Work on a Miracles movie, now that Ulrich is available again.
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Why not have a sitcom based on two sisters, that are psychiatrists, who live in Boston, and one of them has just moved from Seattle and has a TV show, where people phone in with their problems and she gives advice, and she can't for the life of her keep a boyfriend for more than two weeks, and then her old mum, who is a gimp(in the traditional sense) and an ex cop, moves in, with her cat, Stevie. I reckon it'll be comedy gold.
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The final 2 episodes of the Sopranos *will* be eligible for this year's Emmys. HBO said "jump" to the Academy to change the eligibility date (it expired yesterday), and the Emmy folks said "how high". What a fucking travesty. The Emmys are over. The Sopranos will now sweep everything. Quote me on it. Talk about your fucking two-headed coins.
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Now thats a show I will watch!
Frantic Lady: Mr. Zombie, my daughter is missing and the police won't help. You are my last hope, can you help me?
Zombie PI: Hruggg... Ghraa.. Braaainns!
Frantic Lady: So you will take the case?
OK, I guess only I would watch it but come on! Zombies on TV is a good thing.
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dadmomharrison
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...All the ins and outs of copyrights for TV and all that, so this is an actuall question as opposed to a suggestion.
Is it possible that somebody at CBS saw potential in 'Angel' that was never realized due to cancelleation (btw, On one hand I agree that our two ageless vampires were startling to look not so ageless, on the other hand Angel season 5 is one of my favorite runs of genre TV ever, just under Babylon 5 season 4).
Anyhoo, CBS can't just relaunch 'Angel', but why not tap what they saw as potential and spin an un-origonal idea into an origional universe?
Other than the massive chance that it will, indeed, be bad TV, that is. -
CSI UNDEAD DIVISION.
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reason. So they can win the Emmy for best show, so I can hear Greenwalt's acceptance speech.
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...As UNorigonal as it is, there is SO MUCH room to improve on the "Dracula, P.I." concept. Even "Angel"s best episodes (as has been pointed out) are not, really, P.I. episodes.
Not saying THIS will be the new definative thing, but, well, we will see, I suppose.
I mean, look at "Firefly" and "Battlestar Galactica". Space adventure has been done to death and goes back to the black-and-white serial days. However, there is still a chance to look at what came before, keep what worked, ditch what didn't (or won't anymore) and surprise the audience.
Still... This show is gonna have an uphill battle, to be sure, even if it is halfway decent. -
And "Moonlight" is the name of a WEREWOLF P.I. show. C'mon!
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...let Veronica Mars get turned into a Vampire. Or give another vampire show to Whedon. That would have a built-in audience. Personally, despite loving Buffy and Angel, I don't really care about vampires. I care about good writing. But all the networks see is, "gee, people must really love vampires." If they want to get that audience, they need to woo popular front-runners. It ain't about the concept. Although please no more cop, doctor lawyer shows. Even westerns had the grace to fade out after a while (the genius that is Deadwood aside).
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Greenwalt- first order of business, change the name, its gay.
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Vampire Sheriff! I can see the tagline now: "A western... with bite!" Comically, "Deadwood" might have been a good name for that... That or a show about erectile disfunction... maybe both, I dunno.
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I could've sworn i saw a trailer for this show but it's called "New Amsterdam" on FOX. Detective? Check! Vampire? Check! New York? Check! Wait did FOX already cancle it?
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Doesn't someone actually have to hear of Forever Knight to rip it off?
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"Oh, the vampire show on CBS thinks it can ride in the elevator with the vampire show from the WB. C'Mon!!!"
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...Mr. Greenwalt? Justaskin'.
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Word is that they're interested in running a sitcom based on the wildly popular "head-on" commercials.
Shame tho - I heard they're going to recast the black guy with the bugaboo eyes. -
Civilization as we know it officially ran out of ideas yeeeeeeeears ago and now we're paying the price of lazy nostalgia. KARMA.
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He always seemed like kind of a douche to me. I didn't enjoy Angel anywhere near as much as Buffy, but that's still saying alot for the show. It truly had some great moments and the character arc of Wesley was great. I feel like most of Angel's greats came after Greenwalt left to do Miracles. Whedon and Ben Edlund started spending alot more time on the show, now that Buffy was over. Just my opinion though, and I thought MIRACLES was derivative trash and that Jake 2.0 was laughably bad.
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Jericholives.com is the only argument I need present, you know CBS will try and get you hooked then snatch away the show you learn to love.. and as Jay and Silent Bob read on a website somewhere:
"Fuck them..Fuck them in their fucking asses."
I hate nina tassler.
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I didn't see that coming.
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Did not know that Greenwalt was involved, but anything that he's involved with that involves undead...I'm there. Like the idea of the NYC setting too.
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