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Don’t Forget!! Aaron Sorkin’s STUDIO 60 Is On Thursdays Now!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
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More than 100 talkbacks attended last week’s edition of “Studio 60”; if talkback continues to warrant, we’ll try to put up posts for each of the series’ final episodes.
Last week’s installment was an odd one, given the absence of Matthew Perry, Amanda Peet, Bradley Whitford and any significant continuity.
Was this intended as a “banked” show, a stand-alone episode that could have been used as an emergency substituttion should “Studio 60” fall behind schedule (as “West Wing” occasionally did)?
Did it make sense that Matt and Danny would just vanish during a troubled cue-card-free live show? Even if they were off making nice with union officials in the middle of the night, could it not wait till 1 a.m.?
On the upside, we did learn that a TV show called “The West Wing” exists, or existed, in the “Studio 60” universe.
Tonight’s episode is titled “Breaking News.” NBC says:
Jordan (Amanda Peet) experiences an emergency with her pregnancy during the live show while an even larger emergency is unfolding for Tom (Nathan Corddry), while Matt's (Matthew Perry) pill use gets discovered.
The notoriously unreliable IMDb suggests that both Samantha Li (fabulous Chinese-American Camille Chen) and Lena (fabulous Chinese-Brazilian-German-American Maxine Bahns) are back tonight.
After tonight, four episodes left.
10 p.m. Thursday. NBC.
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And dang if I ain't plum out of Aaron Sorkin insult related commentary. Nuts. Talk about taking the little blue pill for nothing, eh? Insert the following Don Martin sound effect: Bwongphhtthwap.
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...and Studio 60 gets canned. Useless and talentless Tina Fey has a job while Perry and Whitford do not. Good job NBC. From the station that past on Lost. Guess they're busy sucking off Heroes for all its worth. Jackasses.
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Bad Sorkin is still better good anybody-else.
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I'm almost afraid to watch tonight. But I will, of course.
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...went a long way toward proving the detractors right. It definitely had the feel of a "banked" episode. But, since the NBC network chimps cancelled the show anyway, what's the difference? I'll be Netflix-ing it next year as I don't care to watch 'A Hundred Hours of Howie' on Deal or No Deal. Screw TV... no good shows until next January (24, Lost, BSG...)
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Works a heck of a lot better for me than the idea that anyone would actually float that absolutely lifeless episode as a 'second pilot'.
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than most other t.v. I'll miss the show. It was one of the few I watched (along with Heroes, Venture Bros., BSG, Veronica Mars, Lost, The Shield, and The Wire).
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And by that I mean as it airs, unlike On the Lot, which I will now only watch after recording it so I can forward through all the recaps, long pauses, fabricated so-called tension, etc. But then Howie's suitcase show is the same way, and people seem to love that.
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The Onion sums this show up nicely:
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I guess it says something that none of the three leads were in it. I thought it was funny - especially drunk Jack - "the call is coming from inside the building" - but what sold it for me was the last minute when Alison Janney is pissed off at everything that went wrong - and the producer (Cal?) told her that yeah, it was a bad show, but isn't it the most fun you've ever had? and she looks at the camera and says thank you. This to me truly captured some of the emotion about the chaos and rewards of live performance, something the show had been seriously lacking. This also displays that love for performing and broadcasting that gave Sports Night its energy. I wish there were more episodes like this, where the personal stuff is there, but it's background to the main event of putting on a show. That's what would have made Studio 60 work and might have given it a second season. It's too bad, really. I guess if you consider that Sports Night had two seasons of half-hour eps, and this had one season of hour-longs, it's the same amount of airtime.
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All these years people kept trying to get me into West Wing and said how great Sorkin was... So I tried Studio 60, loved it, saw it as a hit and figured they'd never cancel a SORKIN show without a second chance. I also agree: If this is BAD Sorkin, it sure as hell beats a lot of other stuff that gets renewed interminably.
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Liberal suckiness is something that I enjoy seeing showcased in Prime Time. Better luck next time Aaron.
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Again, another flawed episode that still managed to be my favorite thing I watched last week. As Sopranos limps to a close with much fanfare, Studio dies a quiet death. I still can't believe Heroes with its amazingly anti-climactic "finale" was the big hit. Whatever. Looking forward to buying the DVDs and for Matt and Danny to return.
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May 31, 2007 4:31:22 PM CDT
Dont Forget next year studio 60 will be nowhere ....
by jeanluc dickhard
lmao.....
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Since the executive dude of NBC resigned, and people seem to be watching the last ones, any chance of them overturning? I hear they're debating it with "Jericho" cuz of the nuts (speaking of both the actual food as well as the people sending them)
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Jean-Luc Dickhead
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Maybe this week, NBC will not screw up the audio on the HD feed half way through so it is watchable...
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...hard... sorry
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I think that was the last episode to be shot and the leads weren't in it to give them a longer summer break. But by the time it was shot I guess the plug had already been pulled and may explain why the episode had a "who cares" kind of feeling about it.
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I gave it a shot, and I found it meh. No hate though, it had its moments but it didn't live up to the hype. I blame NBC for that shit.
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Considering that 30 ROCK and FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS are getting "second-chance" seasons despite doing (much) worse in the ratings-war, I was hoping NBC would also renew STUDIO 60 for at least 13 episodes. But alas... Surely, Sorkin will give a proper resolution to the characters and series. And with that, my remote will continue to flip past NBC...apparently the same as MOST remotes across the US...
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will sorkin reveal if mathew perry and Bradley Whitford ever made it off the show? I can't believe they cancelled this show with so many mysteries around the Styudio 60 lot still unresolved.
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NBC had the lowest ratings week in its history, I believe, last week. Ad revenue loss is in the millions. "Studio 60" was was/is bleeding out. These last shows are being aired due to contractual obligations - that's the only reason.
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tonight's episode shows up as a repeat on my DVR. Probably NBC just screwing with me.
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why does nbc have a problem with branding themselves the smart-man's network channel? ... there's advertising that appeals to the demographic. let Fox and CBS have the moronic programming, and NBC can stick with having shows that don't have "Animals" or "with the Stars" in the title.
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They're trying to be the smart-man's network, that's why they're cancelling Studio 60 and keeping quality, Peabody award winning shows like Friday Night Lights.
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Will be behind the scenes of a pro basketball team, where players and coaches are locked in a constant battle of words. They'll face all of the hot button issues facing the AAB (American Association of Basketball) today, such as Christianity, the red states, Republicans, and censorship. The actual basketball playing will be played by actors who have no idea what they're doing, and more likely than not they'll stop showing it all together after a few episodes.
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are you sure the audio was f'd up or was that on purpose to show what dissaster show really is because its not a mistake untill it hits the screen and the whole show was a "live" show on air at the time so we experienced the dissaster show and behind the scenes of what it takes to make a dissaster show.
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What a piece of crap that show was. At the start it looked like there was promise, especially given the talent involved. I gave it 6 or 7 episodes and decided not to waste my time any more with the dreck being shoveled week after week.
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Yes I am sure, the NBC feed dropped the dialouge portion of the mix. I was watching it about 20 minutes behind, so when I switched to SD it was fine.
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That one had me laughing : )
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I had the same problem with my HD audio on last week's episode. Al you heard for several minutes was the background audio. I too thought it might be a "joke" but it went on WAY too long for that.
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I had the same problem with my HD audio on last week's episode. All you heard for several minutes was the background audio. I too thought it might be a "joke" but it went on WAY too long for that.
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I wish Americans were a smarter consumer of their entertainment. This show and "Drive" both would have grown over time.
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It felt kinda strange not having this to watch after "24" on Monday nights. I will miss it next season, but if I had a choice on which first-season show to save, I would send my nuts to "Jericho." Talk about leaving us hanging...
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The series had a slow start and that lost viewers FAST. By the time it hit it's stride and started to get real good...it was already doomed.
It's a shame.
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First off, send NBC some nuts. That will be sure to convince the powers that be to bring this show back.
Last week was a decent episode, but no Perry, Whitford, and Peet mad me sad. The real reason they did it is budget reason. A lot of large ensemble shows do this. They lay off the major players for a week so they don't have to pay their salaries that week. Those three are the most expensive so that is why they weren't on. Still, a decent episode. -
could be but did you notice that only dialogue and fx went out and music was playing fine then fx came back then the dialoguecame back when the producer (forgot his name) snapped his fingers like he was asking for the audio back. coulda been an inside type thing cause that guy snapping his fingers is a recouring theme like how he snapped at the end and the show faded to black.
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....astounds me the most about the STUDIO 60 talkbacks? it how much the people who hate the show REALLY hate the show and seem to be intent on getting in the face of people who actually enjoy it. there are plenty of shows on TV i don't like, but for the life of me, i would never even consider going on a talkback about i show i clearly hate to spew venom about said show. it's like shitting in someone elses sandbox for no reason. guess some people have nothing better to do.
anyway, the really funny thing is the people who spew the hate don't seem to understand the concept that by posting here they up the post total and help to ensure there will be a talkback about the show they hate NEXT week too. oh what irony. lol. -
...man it's like they knew the show wasn't going to make it. The whole subplot about bad ratings is really telling.
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and then posting my thoughts. I didn't have any major problems with last week's, and as many said, bad Sorkin is still better than none at all in my opinion.
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my lord the hiatus has made this show somehow worse. Oh and that opeing sketch was ice pick in the eye ball bad. Oh and btw what kind of soldier has the opportunity to email every 48 hrs from afghanistan, what is he, the email sargeant jeez.
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Man she is probably the stupidest addition to a show since cousin oliver.
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Thats all I got to say.
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Particularly coming off of last week's, now we have the polar opposite, where all of a sudden the whole damn thing is a tragedy. And yeah, chick lawyer isn't even 1/20th as cute as she thinks she is. The Danny and Jordan stuff is out of left field and feels not at all like a natural progression of their relationship. The weaker elements have become magnified. The sketches, which I normally don't really even acknowledge one way or the other for the most part, are particularly painful tonight, but I guess that's probably part of the point...Okay, this stuff with Danny and Matt is VERY welcome, because the fact that Danny wasn't the FIRST to know he was on something was really bugging me. I dunno. Maybe I should've stopped watching after the hiatus, because the energy built up in that last stretch seeems dramatically drained from the show for me now.
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As far as I know the possibility of Studio 60 returning is less than zero as the sets were striked recently. Also, the head of programming at NBC was fired Friday for programming the worst ratings (I think ever) for an NBC year.
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Matt: Hey I'm not your druggie mom now get me some coffee these pills aren't going to swallow themselves.
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the one guy in hollywood who actually knows a marine. I cant wait for the subtle political commentary sorkin will treat us to
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I'm going to be so sad when this show's over.
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...all the talk of the ratings did make the show seem pretty timely. how funny would it be if on the series finale, the "show" actually got cancelled?
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better at sucking. BURNNN!
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or did anyone else get turned on watching Kari Matchet & Amanda Peet discussing the law in hushed voices?Good to see that the bad sketches that were so prominent in this episode were bad for a reason. I find it more realistic that the show isn't 100% comedic gold all the time. Like SNL, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's great, and sometimes it both sucks and blows.
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Yikes.
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I have to believe someone high up at NBC despised this show. Perhaps some of the barbs aimed at execs pricked a bit too deep. To have this gap in the middle of the season and then follow that immediately with a throwaway that should have been thrown away to create the most possible time between the break and resumption of the storyline is murder for any show. It is especially so for a show that relies so heavily upon audience connection with the evolution of the characters' challenges and flaws episode to episode. I don't buy the excuse that Studio 60 (an hour-long drama) and 30 Rock (a sitcom) have premises that are too similar from the network that shows 3 different Law & Order series back-to-back-to-back. I officially give up on network drama. If Friday Night Lights and Grey's Anatomy are the best they have to offer, I'll gladly stick to the Riches, Galactica, and Dexter.
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But a brand new episode of Studio 60 finished the night a distant third at 10 PM last Thursday to repeats of Shark and Grey's Anatomy. Shark, which won the hour, had more than double the audience. Shark had a 7.5 rating and 13 share and Studio 60 2.7 rating and 5 share. I know the show is cancelled and everything, but if there isn't enough loyalty to the show to beat two reruns in its timeslot how can you blame NBC for cancelling it?
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I think the reason I enjoy dumping on this truly DUMB show is the fact that all the people that REALLY like it insist that all the rest of us are too slow to 'get' it, and we don't like our shows 'smart' and 'witty'. You shouldn't be surprised when us slow-witted dullards respond accordingly.
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shut up you slow-witted dullard!
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YOU'RE OLD. Sorry to break the news.
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You got it ;)
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jummy_009, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Nope, not just you.
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There's funnier 30-minute sitcoms out there. explore and get back to me.
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opportunity. You get Jenna Fischer to be the "host" and only show her for 5 seconds?! A hot woman adept at comedy and you go off and worry about a guy's brother in Afghanistan that's gone missing? I was S60's biggest fan this time last year when it was announced. I got really jazzed at seeing the comercials and anticipated the fall, but what happened after the pilot was just painful.
oh and according to my profile on AICN (got there by mistyping my password) I've been a member here for 33 years and 22 months. I didn't know the internet was around back then much less AICN. Nice job of hanging in there for all these years Harry! -
at the network, with all the talk about ratings, while important things were going on (babies, kidnappings, love, jealousy). not exactly veiled, anymore, Sorkin. even though I still love it, this one was pretty blatant. ESPECIALLY the very end.
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Kari Matchett (Invasion's beaky albino chick) is superhot, though her sexiest work this year was a shared scene with Jeri Ryan on Shark - those two on screen at once... woo!) Nice to see the full cast and a resumption of the ongoing story threads, though I enjoyed last weeks change of pace light weight episode. Clever piece of thematic writing starting with getting bisched at by the network "I told you not to lead with the war" and leading into a major subplot about the war, with an actors brother taken hostage. I posted this same point at TV Addict and Jump The Shark's web sites this week, and it's rather obvious. This was described as a behind the scenes look at an SNL-type show. Everyone agrees that SNL is only sporadically funny. So why would anyone expect the show within a show sketches on a look behind the scenes at an only occasionally funny sketch comedy series to consistently be funny? Would you expect a show about the sky to be blue all the time? Remember, it's night half the time. And obviously airing a show that was in the can months ago prevents the parody from being 'topical'. "The surge", what was that, Bush's wool trousers? In addition to the clever bracketing of a show told not to do a war bit during a war themed episode, we had a rather transparent tear-jerking going on - trying to get us emotional over a possibly dead fetus - they even tell us the potential babies sex so we'll think of it as a person. Plus Matt Albie's drug problem and a great lecture from that who the hell is she, oh the fat girl gets to do some lines this week character. Of course if Sorkin knew the show was being cancelled in advance he could have actually had Matt suicide out during his withdrawal depression. That would have made for a bichen series finale as well as a nice shout out to old Friends fans. I would enjoy it if AICN posted a TB for each of the last S60otSS eps. Or "Studio City" as it's now known. Going by number of posts seems inaccurate, unless it's a ploy to try to get the h8ter-boys to stay away. A lot of people show up to spew hate on the show and, by extension, it's viewers. And not all of the spewers are self-described slow witted dullards and dickhards. Some people hate Sorkin's writing, some hate NBC, some hate shows about politics or religion and some hate our troops and want them to all die in a fire rather than return home in anything smelling like defeat, in the belief that a three trillion dollar debt is good for the economy. They're entitled to their opinionations. And it's disingenious for fans of the show to say "Oh, we'd never barge into a talkback of a show we don't like and criticize other peoples tastes. Bools-sheets. American Idol sucks in several of the suckiest possible ways. It is an insult to the intelligence of people with below average intelligence. Anyone who likes American Idol is brainless and tasteless and should be bound and gagged and spanked hard with the black sole of a red velvet slipper. You know this to be a fact engraved in stone. It may not be a sentiment you would barge into a room full of morons watching American Idol to express, but in your heart you agree with every syllable except possible the color and fabric of the footwear. Britney always sucked and Masters of the Universe is incredibly gay. We have to beat down our friends who like garbage, otherwise how will they ever learn?
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I'm hoping next week's episode picks up right where this one leaves off for a very silly reason. Jenna Fischer, the cute receptionist on The Office, was the host of Studio 60. Lucy Davis, the cute receptionist on the original Brit version of The Office, now plays the Brit writer chick on Studio 60. I can't believe they'd go to the trouble of having those two both on the same show together and then not DO anything with it.
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Once a show's cancelled, it doesn't exactly get the same promo support from the network. This makes a big difference. Even the little things fall through the cracks. On my tivo and on tvguide.com this episode shows up as a repeat and my DVR didn't even record.
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Good episode, but why so short?There's a good article that discuses the dynamic between Janney and Busfield at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/hollywoods-new-it-coup_b_49826.html
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cause that last twenty minutes was the best thing I have seen on tv in awhile...including that lame-ass heroes season finale.....
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The waaayy better, same concept show 30 Rock was on. Then at 10PM I masturbated to the 1992 Olympic Tennis match reruns of Jennifer Capriotti tapes that Matt Perry is living now. 'cept she's like 40 rock now.
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STUDIO SIXTY DIED SUCKING ON PAT ROBERTSON'S COCK THE END WOOTAH
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Broke my heart when it was cancelled. I haven't seen Friday Night Lights as i live in ireland (i loved the movie), so this was easily the best new show of the season for me. Still waiting on the last six episodes to broadcast here. I'll miss it...
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Why the fuck would you post a comment like "who cares"? You fuckin' do assclown! Enough to post a comment. Take your negative shit and use it as a makeshift ass tampon to cleap up that nasty hard blood from excessive use of the oversized dildo you have under your bed. Eh Hem.... rant over
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Seriously, it sucks. Let it die already.
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.....i like the show and NEVER have said that people who don't "get it" are slow witted dullards. to each their own. still these are the same people who can't figure out that adding to the post total off this talk-back helps to ensure that S60 will get a talk-back next week too. so, you know, all things considered, that in itself says a lot about who is sharp as a box of rocks around here and who isn't. savy?
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I respect a lot of AICN talkbackers who like this show so I keep giving it a third, fourth, and fifth chance, and it never ceases to let me down. What is the appeal?
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"Last week was a decent episode, but no Perry, Whitford, and Peet mad me sad. The real reason they did it is budget reason. A lot of large ensemble shows do this. They lay off the major players for a week so they don't have to pay their salaries that week."
Um... Yeah, but it's not a "layoff". Those actors are regulars, which means they get paid for a certain number of episodes whether they appear or not. If they appear in additional episodes there's additional pay. So yeah, they weren't used so they wouldn't have to be paid the additional wages, but it wasn't a "layoff". A layoff is when you're told not to come in when you're otherwise expected to, not when you're not told to come in for additional work. -
Kind really it was on purpose.
If I wanted to get preached at I'd go to church.
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. . . am I the only person that likes both Studio60 AND 30Rock? What's w/ all the adoring one and shitting on the other?
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My god people in our country are eating too many paint chips. Shark is one of the most predictable, poorly-written shows on TV. Yes, James Woods is great, but Shark re-run over new Studio 60. I weep for our culture.
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It needed to be said, dude, I salute you. You've got the soul of a poet. The naysayers without anything constructive to add should just fuck off back to their remedial classes. Got something to say? No problem, anything that adds to a debate, good or bad, is positive, but comments like STUDIO SIXTY DIED SUCKING ON PAT ROBERTSON'S COCK THE END WOOTAH RIP expose the poster as a fucktard and the rest of us as pimps for engaging with assholes.
I just watched last night's episode and it was brilliant; the last 15 minutes were heartbreaking. Just four left to go and I for one will miss this show a great deal. I'll certainly be buying the DVD when it is released. -
but Sorkin's endless moralizing about politics gets old on a show that's supposed to be about comedy. I can't wait for Sorkin's inevitable and disastrous jump to feature films.
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Yeah, like "A Few Good Men" and "The American President." What blights on the history of film they are, huh?
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I don't understand the disconnect between the sketch comedy show and the behind-the-scenes drama of the show. Why is it that a show with sketch comedy as a backdrop has to be a comedy itself? People that work in comedy have real problems, issues and political opinions, too. Sad clown syndrome is rampant in comedy. That's what Studio 60 is about.
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Nope, not just you. Took me a while but I finally hooked into 30Rock and like it quite a bit.
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Shark was probably the single biggest disappointment for me this year, because I LOVE James Woods, but the show is entirely unwatchable. A damn shame. The networks got James Woods AND Stanley Tucci on in Primetime, and stuck them in completely forgettable shows. What a waste.
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Ratings, period. People weren't watching, advertising rates plummeted, NBC left no choice but to shelve, then cancel. Show started like gangbusters, then turned into a preachy diatribe. No surprise at any of this. It was expensive to produce.
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Show started as a preachy diatribe, too. That was the whole point of the pilot's opening scene. You either dig that sort of thing or you don't.
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The problem with Sorkin shows that I hear from people that don't like them is "There is too much happening." Basically people can't keep up with all the stuff, the humor is too high level, and they end up just staring and being baffled...
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I didn't know the blonde White House aide of Powers Booth who was sleeping with a spy for the Russians on "24" had been playing the lawyer on this show. To the above poster who said she was the "Cousin Oliver", first this show was already doomed from the pilot and I never wanted to fuck Cousin Oliver like this chick.
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Jesus christ I didn't even know!!! Where the hell are the commercials?!?!?
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..the problem with this concept is that Sorkin makes producing a comedy show look like about as much fun as getting a root canal. People came into the show expecting one thing and Sorkin delivered "The West Wing" again.
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Jun 01, 2007 12:51:59 PM CDT
"A Few Good Men" and "The American President."
by the central scrutinizer
Both films are as preachy and ham-fisted as Sorkin's T.V. work. As for "A Few Good Men", any film where Christopher Guest isn't funny and Tom Cruise is unintentionally funny, should be dismissed out of hand.
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a good show worth watching. I don't know what it is that lets you down, but it has not been everything I had hoped it would be. I agree with what some wise TBer said above, that it should have been 70% Sports Night and 30% West Wing, not the other way around. Maybe your disapointment is just greater than mine, which is why you can't enjoy the show while I still do. Or maybe it's just not your kind of show.I like many of the actors on the show. It's well-paced (probably one of the quickest hours of television). And I'm a big fan of the genre (if "behind the scenes series" can be called a genre). I am, apparently, one of the few who equally enjoys both 30Rock & Studio60. I like it, sometimes I am critical of it, and I will miss it when it is gone.
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I enjoy the show very much and will miss it. Done.
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Defined as: The unnecessary injection of liberal politics into an otherwise fine production.
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If you can't tell, most of the S60 haters love these talkbacks, so it's no skin off our backs if there is. And it's savvy, not savy. Savvy?
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... in here have actually seen an episode of STUDIO 60. Though they do seem to hate Aaron Sorkin for some reason. I have loved each show he's ever created. SPORTS NIGHT. THE WEST WING. And, then STUDIO 60. The man makes quality television, people. Yes, STUDIO 60 was his weakest try, but lord, that cast, the acting. Maybe the-show-within-the-show wasn't that funny, but the things happening around the-show-within-the-show are often hilarious. But, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong... Wait. No. It's you guys.
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Ratings were down for both Shark and Grey's Anatomy, but it didn't change the fact that Studio 60 finished third at 10PM far behind Shark. And for the person who said that DVRs and TIVOs show it as a repeat, Neilson do not count recording a show in the ratings anyway since advertisers do not value viewers who record and watch later since most fast forward through the commercials. Besides, my DVR had it as new.
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Both flicks were commercial and critical successes. Like 'em, don't like 'em, whatever...but clearly the guy does have a less-than-disasterous career as a screenwriter.
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.....demented and sad, but social"
a bright shinny no-prize to anyone who can name that quote. anyway, talking endlessly about a show you don't like is fun for some people? whodathunkit! -
Who's giving up their shins for it? And yes, ripping on this smug little show and it's smug little fanbase is endless fun. Welcome to the Internet, appearently you're new here...
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Next up on Studio 60: a ratings consultant will come in to try and "fix" the show, and clash with Danny and Matt but ultimately help them v. the suits. Then things will get worse, but in the very last episode the mysterious stranger that Danny had been chatting with in a bar will turn out to be a billionaire who buys them out, declaring that anyone who can't make money with Studio 60 "shouldn't be in the money-making business."Oh, wait. That was a different failed-Sorkin-show ending.I like Sorkin, I really do. But he loses me when he starts wallowing in the whole ratings mess. That's where I lost interest in Sports Night...and I swear, he's re-using some of the dialog. And I agree with the others; the lawyer chick is just awful.I'd like to see more from Sorkin, but pleaseoplease no more behind-the-scenes-of-a-TV-show stuff.
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Hardly a challenge to spot Breakfast Club references, don't you think?
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I don't think the two shows are mutually exclusive. No reason someone cannot like both, or hate both. Having said that, I found 30 Rock to "nail" the feel of SNL in a far more accurate fashion. Meaning, of course, that it had occasional funny moments (some very funny) separated by overly long stretches of painful television.Plus, I don't get the whole Tina Fey thing. I mean, she's not Ben Stiller-unfunny or Will Ferrell-unfunny, but she's not all that funny, either, IMO.
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....just puzzled by the things some people do to feel better about themselves. if ripping on a show you don't like and pointing out peoples typos and spelling errors is your thing, then you my friend, have my sympathy....
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....no didn't think it was much of a challenge to guess the quote, just found it apt under the circumstances.
but i do agree with you about the "behind the scenes stuff" being the undoing of this show. i don't think (most) people want to see the reality of showbiz in that context at all. it better be all glitz and glammor or else the average viewer is going to click right on by. showing the dark side of "the biz" has very limited appeal, and thats why i think you get the 30 rock vs. studio 60 cockfight mentality. one show keeps it light and funny the other is dark and serious.
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The point is the atomsphere was totally wrong for a sketch comedy show. Period. End of story. Had they got the tone right it might have worked. But you don't go behind the scenes to a goofy comedy show for deep and dramatic material. The show was flawed from the get go. In someone else's hands it might have worked. Heck, they should have set it in the late seventies or early eighties and tried to capture the vibe from SNL in those days. Then it might have worked. But Sorkin decided to F it up and put the West Wing backstage at SNL. It doesn't even make sense. How when you are watching this does it not click? I really tried to like the show, I watched the first three episodes in their entirety and then caught bits and pieces of two or three more, but I just couldn't get past how wrong everything was for what they were trying to do. I guess that's why I dislike it as much as I do, because I actually -wanted- to like it a lot.
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Kinda gonna miss this show. The ones that have nothing to do with Harriet's religion are great. Hopefully Weber gets another series gig playing the exact same guy.
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I lost interest in the show halfway through the season.
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this is a drama about the people that put on a show like this. look how much of SNL is political humopr, you think all the writers are jabbing pencils up their nose every week? how about al franken running for senate? half the writers on any comedy show are from yale, harvard, etc. WHY is it so hard to swallow that the people behind a sketch comedy show might actually be smart, politically minded, concerned with world events, etc.of all the arguments against this show, that is one I truly don't get. "that's not how it works behind the scenes", how the fuck would any of us know? plus, WHO CARES? in the Studio 60 universe, it may be stretched a little, but I'm sure it's not completely out of line. if it offends you as a conservative, fine, I can see that. but the "not real" argument is extremely flawed, in my opinion.
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Funny, in't it, the people who do like "Studio 'City' On The Sunset Strip" and claim they'd never rag on shows someone else likes, step up to bash "Shark', a show Studio 60 was NEVER on opposite: S60 was on Mondays and Shark entirely finished it's new episode season before the S60 burnoff was exiled to the ER slot. Or as us old folks call it, the "Hill Street Blues" time slot.
I like "Shark". Not love it, not put it on a favorite show list, but it's watchable. As lawyer shows go, it's no "Ally McBeal/Practice/Boston Legal", but it beats "Justice"/"Injustice" and "Philly". I never saw "LA Law" or "Judging Amy" or any of those "Judge Judy" type shows though I vaguely remember 'Wapner...' [pronounced with Dustin Hoffman "Rain Man" inflection]. My fave was "Judd For The Defense" with Carl Betz from "The Donna Reed Show", and my mom loved "Perry Mason". Shout out to "Matlock", a nice simple show you can watch while on Vicodin and never lose track of the plot.
The problems with Shark are manifold: 1.) total emphasis on James Woods as Stark. Do people really want to look at that face for forty minutes? However, the fact that the show is a star vehicle in a morass of shows with overgrown emsemble casts is also the advantage that sets it apart. 2.) A totally uninteresting ensemble. Who are any of this "young lawyers' team and do i care? Rhetorical answer, "No". 3.) Big black cop from NYPD Blue as a big black ex-cop. Okay, I get him being typecast as black, but you know what I mean. 4.) Equal emphasis on the workplace drama and homelife pathos. This mix worked for Dick Van Dyke Show, works on "Medium", kinda helped kill of "Commander In Chief" when the daughters cherry and WWIII were given equal importance. The daughter is not bad looking, but do I care about her cheating on her homework or getting a dui? 5.) as an old Trekkie, obviously my biggest complaint - and one they will be addressing in the coming season - NOT enough Jeri Ryan on a show advertised as "co-starring Jeri Ryan". 6.) Not that crazy about the Thursday night spot, either, but next season CBS swaps out "Shark" and "Without A Trace", returning the FBI procedural to it's original night and shifting "Shark" to Sunday at 10:00. Hmmm, a lawyer show in the old "Practice/Boston Legal" time slot, that works for me. [Though move Denny Crane back to Sunday and I'd never see "Shark" again.]
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Cause' christian wacko's like Biggles', hates it. Can't wait for more of his crusade against 30R.
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...because people from SNL have said it's not like that. There's no flaw in the argument, it's the truth. It's sort of like how real ER's don't face an earth shattering crisis every week and Crime Scene Investigators don't go out and interview witnesses. Either you buy it or you don't, and I don't buy it. It's the wrong atmosphere for the environment, period.
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Well I can agree last week was awfully hokey with the leads missing but it still worked as a fun ep...heh oddly enough although Timothy Busfield was for the most part the main player in last week's ep he was completely missing in this one! Anyways i thought it was done well...and the last 5 minutes were really well done and emotional and whatnot... Ahh well, I finally give a Sorkin show a chance and it goes off the air.
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...if every ER and CSI unit isn't EXACTLY like the ones potrayed on TV then thoses shows are "flawed" in the same way as S60. by that argument, i should stop watching RESCUE ME because not EVERY firefighter in the world is as fucked up as tommy gavin. jeez.
i like S60 for what it is, i "buy it", for lack of a better term, because i don't give a fuck what it's REALLY like behind the scenes at SNL. i watch S60 for the what it "is", not for what it's "not" or what anyone else thinks it "should be". i'm here for the witty banter and the poetic dialouge, and to hell with the "reality" of late night comedy shows. -
... but if every ep was as good as this one I might be. There's nothing I hate more than liberal dramatic claptrap and weekly sermonizing from rich lefties who want to distribute evrything evenly despite not knowing what it's like to struggle, but this one was all right.
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wouldn't a show about boring budget meetings, and people choosing which sandwich to have for lunch be horrible TV? as I said, I don't mind them stretching or dramatizing things, as long as it's based in reality. I don't think it's as much of a stretch as you say. I know you have a lot of other objections to the show because it is too liberal, etc. can't we just stick to those?
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I know that show! It's called The Office.
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