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Because You Asked Him To!! Filmcoyote Has Seen TRANSFORMERS And Wants To Tell You All About It!!

Merrick here...
Filmcoyote sent in a look at TRANSFORMERS. He says a lot here, so I won't bore you with an unnecessary preamble - except to remind you that Filmcoyote did not see a final cut of the film. I.e. changes / adjustments may be made to the movie between the version he saw & the final release. With that...
Here's Filmcoyote!
Hi all, the filmcoyote here again. Anyway, mentioned having seen Transformers in the 'trailer that shows a lot' Talkback and a couple of Talkbackers said elaborate. It's a slow afternoon so what the hell. Background: I was born ass-end of the 70s (this is going somewhere I promise) so hit the Transformers toy craze at the perfect age (see). Loved the cartoon, toys and 86 movie at the time but haven't revisited them as an adult. My trepidation of seeing a live action movie of Transformers did not come from a flames on Optimus/Bumblebee's not a VW bug stand point but just from a who the hell gives a rat's ass stand point. Michael Bay, meh, liked Rock and Bad Boys, hated Armageddon, laughed my ass off through Pearl Harbor (I expect not the intended reaction) so wasn't really bothered either way by him. But I think my biggest issue was fogy syndrome. I have started to think I'm getting too old to enjoy cinematic lunacy fully. I was bored by 300, found myself complaining about characterisation in Spider-Man 3 and X-Men 3 (can't believe that would even have occurred to me as a kid) and was stunned that even Johnny Depp did nothing forme in Pirates 3. I wondered whether it was all the constant CG, that I yearned for the good old days of the Schwarzenegger 80s! When life was simpler. I felt this might have been confirmed when the John Rambo trailer got me as excited as a school kid two weeks ago. Transformers proved me wrong. Characterization? - Where? CG? - Everywhere! But I really enjoyed it. It made me feel like I was 10 years old again. I don't think a summer movie has made me feel that way since The Matrix. Let me elaborate. I will not lie to you, is Transformers a great movie, brilliantly written, completely devoid of a feeling of big-screen toy-advertisement? No, it isn't. Are all the robots a great design? Well, this will split people I'm sure but Megatron sucks for sure. Have they picked great actors doing it for the art? Ha, Turturro's manicness and Voight's phoning in leave you with a sense of them dancing around their paychecks off screen with glee. There's also this little robot (kind of the equivalent of Ravage and Laserbeak in the cartoon) that is played for comic effect that is incredibly irritating. But somehow - maybe because I had no expectations and with so maybe sequels these days expectations are hard to silence - I got past all these flaws and just enjoyed it for the sheer entertainment. And damn is it entertaining. The film wastes no time getting down to business. That much touted helicopter transformation that trashes the army base present in some sense since the first trailer is the first scene of the whole film. In fact it moves back and forth between kick ass action (usually involving army guys and Decepticons) and the "human" story (Shia, Megan) nicely for the first 40 minutes or so. The film has nods to the cartoon (a VW bug sitting next to Bumblebee in the used-car lot, the corny more than meets the eye line comes up at least twice, the cartoon transforming noise is in there) but is mostly its own thing. The "human" more comedic side is actually pretty good. Often these days films can't get the balance of these things and they feel forced in and just make you wish they'd get back to big fuck-off robots battling (which is why we're there anyway). I think the reason they get away with it is LaBeouf. I had only seen him in Holes and Bobby prior to this and hadn't understood why there was such a buzz on him but his comic-timing is superb. He is just so effortlessly likeable. It's like Tom Hanks in Big, Will Smith in Independence Day, Michael J Fox in Back to The Future, he's effortless and gives a great performance. And the reason I think this is why these bits work is simple: it's not the script - I know this because there's also another "human" story involving "sleeping throught the movie" Jon Voight and a bunch of tech geeks. And these bits are painful. There's this one Aussie actress (if she warrants the term actress) who is almost as wooden as Keira Knightley. None of the actors in this section can do anything with the banal dialogue they are given, they simply don't have the talent. Thankfully there's not much of them. Shia just brings the whole thing to life, he is a true joy to watch and i look forward to other films he's in. Megan Fox is of course also in most of his scenes and she's fine. She is not bad at all and she's gorgeous but any reasonable actress her age could have done just as well. Shia is working on another level from those around him. The print I saw had no score just temp tracks from The Rock, American Beauty and something else I couldn't place. I hope the real score is great because the American Beauty bits (which kicked in everytime Megan and Shia appeared on their own) were really distracting. But what you want to know is robots, right? We've all seen the designs and for me they work fine. They are a bit busy but they have a sense of the real to them. Realism no. This is a movie about giant fuck-off robots, there's no room for realism but in a way they make sense, it feels right that they are what they are. As for what the Transform into, this is explained away in a Bumblebee scene when we see him as a beat up car scan another car and instantly upgrade to look bad new. The reason he's not a VW? That's not what he scanned. So essentially all these robots could become anything. The only thing they never really explain is why all the Decepticons seem to be able to fly while none of the Autobots can. Maybe, they just don't chose to. The thing on here the other day about the trailer with Bumblebee's voice - not Bumblebee's voice. Bumblebee doesn't talk - his voice unit was damaged in a war - and he communicates through his radio. Peter Cullen is great as Optimus Prime but, maybe it's just me, but he didn't sound much like he did in the cartoon. I don't know why they bothered getting Hugo Weaving in for Megatron. For a start Megatron's barely in the film - he's in maybe the last 20 minutes - and it could be anyone voicing. The thing that really had me awed though is the transformations. When one of the robots transforms mid movement is looks incredible. Barricade (a Decepticon police cruiser) is first to do it, chasing Bumblebee and Shia in robot form and transforming into his car form in mid-stride. There are more instances in the non-stop action finale - the best of them being Starscream mif-flight transformation to land in robot form and enter a fray. These are the moments that really took me, that transported me back into my 10-year-old self. I got so excited by it. As I say I probably haven't been genuinely excited by watching a blockbuster since The Matrix. It was a feeling I remember having for Jedi as a kid, Batman and T2 as a teenager. I'm not saying Transformers is as good as T2 but it was a real surprise. It has plot weaknesses and some shakey performances but it is hugely entertaining both in the frequent battle set pieces, whether human vs robot or robot vs robot, and in the Shia LaBeouf moments. Even some of the comedy (Optimus trying to hide behind a house he's twice the size of) worked for me (although my friend this scene a little over the top). But that's just it, like the first Pirates movie it is the over-the-topness combined with great set pieces and superb special effects that make it so enjoyable and help you see past the flaws. I'm sure those more invested in the 80s show will have issues with things I either didn't notice or don't get (why is flames on Optimus a big deal? - though I get the Optimus mouth thing, that was weird) but then that's like comic-book movies to me, I never read them so I don't care if Venom's a great or sucky character in Spider-Man I just want to be entertained for a couple of hours. Transformers did that for me. Best of this years crop so far (not that the disappointing Spider-Man 3, dull At World's End or abyssmal Shrek the Third set the bar high mind you!) by a long way.


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  • May 31, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    First

    by idahomer

    Maybe?

  • May 31, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Does he kill the FAT KID from Bad Santa

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I too want to see that phrase used more often!

  • May 31, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    CRAPTASTIC!

    by Puddleglum

    But Megan Fox still looks great.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Sounds promising...

    by JunoFallon

    I'm excited...

  • May 31, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    But was it as good as TWO FAT KIDS BUMPING CHESTS???

    by finky089

    That's the true sign of a kick ass film. <p> Could this flick really be anywhere as fun as T2? Come on.....

  • May 31, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    When will the DVD come out?

    by idahomer

    Sounds terrible.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I can now die happy...

    by idahomer

    First in what is sure to be a 1000 post talkback.

  • May 31, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    i guess i have to see it

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    ...

  • May 31, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    I fucking knew!! I said the exact thing to Vern in a TB

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    That I am going in because I want to feel 10 years old again! Sounds like this movie is EXACTLY what I expected it would be and I am going to have a great time. Really looking forward to this, Knocked Up and Superbad. Those 3 movies have me excited for the rest of the Summer.

  • May 31, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Okay, looking forward to it

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Could be pretty good

  • May 31, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Idahomer...

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Jeez man, it means that much to you? Sort of a sad commentary on your life bud.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO!

    by finky089

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  • May 31, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    hmmmmm

    by pk1980

    not sure if he has really seen it. Anyone could have written that

  • May 31, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    No pk1980

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    He says some things that have to be from the movie, you couldn't know that Bumblebee got his voice box damaged in a war and doesn't speak, or that Megatron is only in it for the last 20 minutes. Unless you are saying he made it all up.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    spider man 3, potc 3, shrek 3

    by pk1980

    bad things come in threes. this film will probably be good, the sequel will be great then in the 3rd one optimus prime becomes evil, or autobots are unnecessarily killed off, or bumblebee has kids....

  • May 31, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Whenever I hear the name Shia Labeouf....

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    ...I think of a chick. I picture in my mind Sondra Huxtable from the Cosby Show.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Being a "Fogy" (sic) Doesn't Excuse The Assness...

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...of your writing. Unless you're SO old you're calling yourself "Batman" while you shart in your Depends. Seriously. English IS your native language, right?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Mel...I'm pathetic...

    by idahomer

    This site is slowly destroying my life.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    finky089

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Everytime you type your token acronym, a baby seal is clubbed to death. Good going.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Plot weaknesses and shaky acting = good movie?

    by Yack Backer

    Hahahaha! And the description confirms that script in many parts. From the writer of CATWOMAN!!! With a shit-polishing from the guys who confuse the shit out of you with LOST comes TRANSFORMERS! This review reveals no new surprises. <p> Oh and gany, did ya notice: Megatron is in it for the last 20 mintues and hardly has any characterization!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibsteinberg

    by pk1980

    fair enough. glad there were not too many spoilers. I have learnt my lesson from last year when after waiting 20 yeras for a new superman movie i read the book of the film and saw every trailer (which gave too much away in the 1st place but that is another story)so it spolied (pun intended)the movie for me. This time I am glad Transformers has not given too much away.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    GrandMuff you read my mind

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Sondra Huxtable, hilarious! I think the Shia part, because Sondra just looked like a Shia, and the LeBouf because she had those poofy hairspray filled bangs, and they just screamed to be called LeBouf!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    more than meets the eye

    by barbossa78

    is that said with as much impact and awesomeyness as it was by the wanker elias in clerks 2?..... and um...were you trying to remain spoiler free?..cause there was not a damn detail in that which proves youve seen it..not shitting on yer riff or anything..im of the same mind frame when it comes to seeing this..i was born in 1978..i had transformers sheets for fucks sake..but i really dont give a shit if Ops has flames or not..i just want a fun movie..and yeah..shia can be pretty good in some stuff..

  • May 31, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    sondra huxtable

    by pk1980

    remember eddie murphy's impression of bill cosby in raw? that was funny

  • May 31, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    I liked Spidey 3 and Pirates 3...

    by Napolean Solo

    So I guess I'm in for a blast here!!! I knew Michael Bay would knock it out the park.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibsteinberg, that info has been out there though

    by finky089

    Anyone who read the script or has been around in these TB's to read all the comments about it should know that Megatron's barely in the film and really only shows up in the end when he breaks out of his "secret holding pen". <p> Same goes for BB's lack of vocals. So, yeah, there really wasn't much that "proves" he saw the film. This review was more like his "personal" reaction. But perhaps he was trying not to give spoilers?? <p> coughShiakillsMegatroncough coughStarscreamescapescough coughPrimeendsthefilmwith avoiceoveronEverestcough <p> And don't start complaining about that cuz everyone here who actually wants to see this film continues to claim that Bay didn't stick to the leaked script, right? Right? Ok, enjoy your delusions.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    MNG - that's more fur coats for JLo

    by finky089

    who pays me royally for my AICN services...

  • May 31, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    if internet geeks were politicians....

    by pk1980

    can you imagine? getting het up over flames on Prime? (get over it)Can you imagine what state the middle eat peace process would be in? Actually maybe politicians are internet geeks. Quick lets start a holy war over flames on Prime! Last year it was the size of the S on superman's costume - you remember that?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the review, FC

    by decypher44

    sounds EXACTLY like I was expecting. I think the only thing that will bother me is Bay's quick-shot editing (transformations and chases/fights). I can't wait for July..HP book and movie, TF and summertime in So Cal!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    spolier alert!!

    by pk1980

    Optimus prime has a son in it.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    POTC3 SUCKED the life out of me

    by grievenom

    Maybe Transformers will rejuvinate me.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    So, the film is shitty, yet they loved it?

    by JusticeSabre

    Is that what's being said? LOL <br> <br> AICN has lost all credibility with this one film. WOW. <br> <br> MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Already sounds more entertaining...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...than those two crapfests "Spiderman 3" and "POTC3". How many of you flocked like sheep to those masterpieces again?<P>Heh. ;^)

  • May 31, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    SWEET CHRIST NO!!!

    by PwnedByStallone

    "There's also this little robot (kind of the equivalent of Ravage and Laserbeak in the cartoon) that is played for comic effect that is incredibly irritating."<br> <br> Have we learned nothing from Jar Jar Binks??!!! FUCK YOU BAY!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Okay Finky

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    So maybe he just made it up, but to me it didn't read like a fake. I have been following this site off and on for 8-9 years and they have posted a lot of fake shit (Grando Calrisian and Emperor w/Black Lightsaber take the cake) but there was none of that over the top, blatently false bullshit in this review. This guy kept it simple, fairly spoiler free, and somewhat honest. As for the spoilers you mentioned, I wasn't following Transformers that closely, as I couldn't convince myself this was anything more than a Michael Bay commercial for toys (also born in '78) so no, I didn't know those things were leaked.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I'm excited...

    by mefrog

    I expect what should be a technically crappy movie... but I just wanna have a hell of a good time. I happened to enjoy Pirates 3 (not so much Spider-man) so I'm looking forward to this. However, I'm quite dissapointed to hear that Megatron is hardly in the film. Damn.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Spidey = sucked, Pirates = suckage, Transformers =

    by cowboyone

    Michael Bay's Titanic (mega-success, not sinking luxury liner) Megatron will make mega-dough and everyone except the megahaters will be humbled by the admission of their own childlike glee, wonder and awe.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    finky089 = Killer of baby seals.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    So, JLo pays you in blood-money?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    brilliantly written, (but) has plot weaknesses?

    by Multiplex

    Uh... wha?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I just want to know is Starscream

    by Colonel Activity

    has more lines in the film than he does in the script (one line).

  • May 31, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    brilliantly written, (but) has plot weaknesses?

    by pk1980

    i was expecting shakespeare...damn!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    In enjoyed Pirates 3 more than DMC

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I also thought Spidey 3 was too long, too many villians, not enough action, but all in all I didn't see the massive divurgence from the 1st and 2nd ones. Everyone on this site holds up Spidey 2 as the greatest piece of cinematic ejaculation since The Godfather 2, and I never got that. It's not a bad piece of popcorn, but damn, that speach that Doc Oc gives PP about love, and poetry, and TS Eliot, was painful and trite.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Come on, MNG, I saw you ordering seal chops the other

    by finky089

    day. At the JLo Blood Money benefit for Feed the Bates. You were enjoying them just like everybody else. <p> Actually, I don't get the blood money, it goes to the poor neighborhoods of LA so "the Man" can keep the needy folks ghettoized. JLo's actually just a pawn for "the Man" who keeps fooling people into buying her CDs. <p> For what it's worth, why is it my fault that baby seal clubbers like this Bay version of Transformers?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I am excited, I hope it is really good!

    by Lost Skeleton

    Spidey 3 was okay but Pirates was pretty good.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    This is what I've been saying all along!

    by bentmywookie

    This is what I've been saying all along! "It's a kid's movie, it's just a toy commercial, when's the Go-Bots movie coming out", blah blah blah... The greatness I see in this movie's potential is that given the right treatment, it will bring out the kid in all of us. The concept is so cool and the basic characters and personalities and themes from the original G1 mythos ABSOLUTELY could make a great movie. TINO this and TINO that... I'd be more irritated if they made a transforming robots movie that WASN'T transformers. I have high hopes after reading Filmcoyote's take as he seems to be much more level-headed than the two extremes (Haters and TINOS) that populate much of these talkbacks.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Re: Optimus prime has a son in it.

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    That made me laugh.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    In other news, I have to wait until Dec 11th

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    For completion and DVD goodness. If you don't know what I am talking about, don't worry about it, but understand that it is misery to think of waiting another 7 months to "go back to the island!"

  • May 31, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    You know what frustrates me about this review?

    by Yack Backer

    I think it's a great review in that it points out the moments of awe, etc. But it also shows that the movie is UNNECESSARILY weak- weak story, weak script, weak acting, poor use of the main villain, etc. THIS is the point of us so-called haters. We all want to see robots smashing things, etc. But I won't give the filmmakers a free pass for delivering that when they half-ass everything else.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Well Bay's got my ticket money, Damn him! ;-)

    by KillaKane

    I'm looking forward to the OTT spectacle, sounds like great popcorn entertainment. As an 80's brat I've got a soft spot for Transformer's, judging by Filmcoyote's review I think I'm similarly going to dig it.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    we'll see soon

    by darkslab

    I don't knwo what to think of this whole movie. I've never liked a single thing Bay does, so its hard to wrap my head around this film and say , ok I'll go see THIS one. It will be a popcorn movie, nothing more. Its here for the toys, not necessarily our enjoyment, or adding to transformer cannon. They want to sell the clocks, toys, shoes, bikes and everything else. Transformers is the next cash-cow.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    I got nothing out of that review

    by Rat Fink

    other than the usual "it's good but not great,didn't suck but it could've been better, robots transforming is cool" bullshit. I'm still excited as hell about seeing it for myself. I'm sure it'll kick spiderman 3 and POTC3 ass!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    LOST IS THE PLANET OF THE APES!!!

    by PwnedByStallone

    GET YOUR PAWS OFF ME, YOU STINKING SMOKE MONSTER!<br> <br> Using Planet of the Apes to analyze where Lost has come from.<br> <br> by Doc Jensen<br> <br> LOST: SEASON 1 Introduces the world. Establishes a central conflict between castaway visitors and the Others, the seemingly hostile inhabitants of the Island. Ends with the discovery of The Black Rock, a symbolically loaded landmark that speaks ironically to various deep themes.<br> PLANET OF THE APES Introduces the world. Establishes a central conflict between castaway visitors and the Apes, the seemingly hostile inhabitants of the world. Ends with the discovery of the Statue of Liberty, a symbolically loaded landmark that speaks ironically to various deep themes.<br> <br> LOST: SEASON 2 The dramatic arc of season 1 is revisited and reinterpreted through a separate group of castaways, the Tailies. A subterranean-based culture is discovered, one that blends science, religion, and doomsday weirdness. A character of monumental importance (Desmond) appears at the very beginning, vanishes, and then shows up at the very end to activate a bomb. The season ends with an explosive event that sets the stage for a time-travel story in the next season. <br> BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES The dramatic arc of the first film is revisited and reinterpreted through a new group of astronauts. A subterranean-based culture is discovered, one that blends science, religion, and doomsday weirdness. A character of monumental importance (Charlton Heston's Taylor) appears at the very beginning, vanishes, and then shows up at the very end to activate a bomb. The movie ends with an explosive event that destroys the world and sets the stage for a time-travel story in the next movie.<br> <br> LOST: SEASON 3 A dramatic change of setting and focus: Three castaways — Jack, Kate, and Sawyer — are abducted and relocated to the world of the Others, where they are held against their will in a zoology facility. A time-travel storyline introduces the possibility of a circular framework to the entire saga. The climactic conflict hinges on the future survival of the Others, the ostensible antagonists of the first two seasons. <br> ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES A dramatic change of setting and focus: Three protagonists — a trio of refugee chimps — travel into the distant past of their ''Others,'' the humans, where they are held against their will in a zoology facility. The time-travel storyline introduces the possibility of a circular framework for the entire saga. The climactic conflict hinges on the future survival of the entire super-sentient simian species, the ostensible antagonists of the first two seasons.<br> <br> (Uncanny, huh? And I didn't even tell you yet how all of this also correlates to Hegel's five-step Master/Slave myth! Come back in late July for my first special hiatus edition of Doc Jensen, when I'll show you how the last two Apes flicks — Conquest of the Planet of the Apes and Battle for the Planet of the Apes — and Tim Burton's 2001 remake of Planet of the Apes will correlate to the final three seasons of Lost!)

  • May 31, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    I made up my mind...

    by Brody77

    After seeing the last trailer for Transformers. I'm there! Hell, the trailer was better than Spidey 3. I did enjoy Pirates 3 though, despite obvious flaws (Norrington, Kiera still can't act, weak plot....) I hear Shrek is utter cack.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Than Charelston Heston

    by Rat Fink

    must be Jacob

  • May 31, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    sounds legit...

    by Romoehlio

    but i wish he would`ve given at least some more insight, not spoilers, just a bit...more. true, there`s nothing new or which couldn`t be written by just looking at the trailers (except for the mid-chase transformation of the police-dec. but that might be expected as well). still. this sounds exactly like i think its going to be...i`m so in! and ones again cause now people have seen it: WHERE´S RATCHET?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Yack Backer

    by trombone

    You're right man, I want a good story too. Did you read that Gary Kurtz interview about Star Wars? That George Lucas, after Indiana Jones, just said "that' good enough, they'll buy it anyway".THAT'S what really bugs me. The guys who put all these properties together really cared about doing a good job. They wanted it to be good. Stan Lee wanted to do great comic books. He didn't say "it's only comic books, I'm off the hook". He said "I want to make the best comic book I can, the way I want to see it made". Same thing with Lucas in the Star Wars and Empire. Same with 1st Matrix. Same with Donner and Superman.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    The Matrix wasn't a summer movie.

    by Barry Egan

    It was a mid spring release, I think March.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Yack, that's just "par" for action blockbusters though

    by finky089

    It shouldn't be. But most of the time it is. So people lower their levels of quality just because they get "good effects" or "giant robots smashing shit" or "iconic heroes on the big screen". I'm in agreement with you. <p> When I "TINO" it isn't so much b/c the characters depart from G1, which I'm pretty much over at this point, it's because I'm just so disappointed at how half-ass this film seems to have turned out. <p> Sticking to the argument that people should just "shut up" and "enjoy the giant robots fighting" is like claiming people should just enjoy POTC2 just because it had a giant kraken destroying ships. Or to ignore the flaws of Spidey 3 just because of Venom (love him or hate him). That arguement doesn't hold water. <p> But people are entitled to their opinions...like JLo sucks.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    That was sweet Stallone

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Awesome post! Totally off topic, but I loved it. Never put those two stories together, and I should have, considering I own all the Apes films (minus Burton's abortion) and grew up loving Beneath TPOTA for its sheer bizare style and insanity. "You bloody bastards!" Something about Charlton Heston's blood soaked paw pushing down the crystals to blow the world up still creeps me out. That and the underground cult that sings out of key hymns in worship and praise to the almighty bomb!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    The movie to beat this summer

    by Dark Knight Lite

    I've never seen an episode of Transformers - it originally came out when I was in college. So with no baggage whatsoever, this looks like one hell of a ride. The wife is even looking forward to it.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Mouth On Optimus

    by TheEwokThatDied

    Read Bay blabbering on HOW - JUST HOW - HE *HAD* to put mouths and moving facial features on the TF's so the audience would relate to them. Because NO ONE EVER related to R2-D2....or C3PO.....or V in Vendetta...or the Phantom of the Opera....or Jason ( remember - you can relate positively or negatively )....etc..... The few big action things this will get close to right don't out weigh the 'hack-ness' of the rest. ugh. Hater - lovers - remember - all IMHO

  • May 31, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    trombone, excellent example

    by Yack Backer

    Gary Kurtz's importance to the SW movies is obviously felt hen you compare the OT to the PT. Lucas is a money-sucking prick in a lot of ways. And I keep coming back... but with TF, I'm not going to blindly accept whatever they put up on the screen because of 20 minutes of cool CG work by ILM!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Why must we settle for mediocrity?

    by PwnedByStallone

    Seriously. MILLIONS of dollars and all they can come up with is bad acting and a shitty plot? Fuck Hollywood.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    finky089, I'm over the G1 thing too

    by Yack Backer

    It's about Mike Bay aiming for the lowest-common denominator. He flat-out sucks in my opinion.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Did Shia Labeouf write this review?

    by zooch

    haha just kidding.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Romoehlio - Ratchet's role in the film

    by finky089

    is smaller than the dickhole on a flea. At least he doesn't get torn in half like poor Jazz.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    dickhole on a flea

    by Rat Fink

    thats awesome

  • May 31, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    HAS MICHAEL BAY BEEN DAMNED YET?

    by THE KNIGHT

    just curious...

  • May 31, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    RAT FINK? Are you my lost cousin????

    by finky089

    good to see another fink on AICN, buddy...

  • May 31, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Hey Trombone

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    Where did you read that Gary Kurtz interview, I would love to read more on that. Pretty damning of Lucas if you ask me. That hypocrite whale lives up on his massive estates in some of the mose expensive real estate in the world, with his huge corporation, his massive ego, and he still bemoans the "Hollywood" system and all its greed and corruption. BAHHH!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Transform and move out!

    by bib fortuna

    Not much longer now. As a person who loved them as a kid, now I have to watch and judge the movie on its own. Too bad the voice of Starscream/Cobra Commander is dead. As long as he is an insubordinate SOB to Megatron I'll be happy. Megatron's voice actor Frank Welker is still alive, and is listed in IMDB as Megatron for the new TF video game. Wonder why he isn't in the movie. Oh and the real great transforming movie is yet to come. Go Voltron Force!!!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Possibly....

    by Rat Fink

    Did your mom hang out by the docks like mine?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Sounds like...

    by zb.brox

    ...it'll be ID4 level. Sigh.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    New SW TV series: Lucas trying to redeem himself or...

    by finky089

    just his continued fascination with greed? <p> I'm going with the latter. Would love to see something good, but at this point, why would I expect it?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Ok people, what do you expected form this guy...

    by Freefinger

    .. he got bored when he saw 300. Now if this doesn't read as "the rest of my opinion on this film is pure crap, since I don't know what is a good movie..."<P>he then goes on to say : "found myself complaining about characterisation in Spider-Man 3 and X-Men 3 "... wow.. he must have an IQ of a peanut or something.. <P>Characterisation was his beef with Spidey 3 and X-Men 3??? FUCK! What about the storylines that were way too shitty. Now Spidey 3 wasn't the mess that was X3, because it suffered from just too many people/characters and cross referencing everything with the first two movies to include every possible characters that we ever saw, but then again Raimi got pushed into getting Gwen and Venom in there, so he as sort of an excuse. <P>X3 was just a movie that was made by a guy who doesn't get the X-Men world and why should you include a major character in a movie when you won't use them as they should (ie. Angel) or kill off two other characters in a very shitty way just to bring one back at the end of the credits.. The movie was doomed as soon as Brett Ratner signed the contract.<P>Then this guy says that the Transformers movie will be the best thing out there this summer.. Ok.. I'm guessing he reeeeaaalllllly liked Superman Returns because of the effects... Not the copied scene from other Supe's movies and shitty plots... So if this guy loved Transformers, I'm guessing I'll wait 'till the DVD comes out..

  • May 31, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay's 'realism'.... FROM HIS OWN MOUTH....

    by Err

    [on "Transformers"] Well, it's just, you know, listen, it's like...I didn't want to make the boxy characters, you know? Think about it, 30 feet in the air in the real world, just boxes, you know and it'd just look more fake, you know? And by adding more doo-dads, you know, stuff on the...stuff. Stuff on the robots, more car parts, and...you know you can just make it look more real.<br><br> Yeah, giant robots from outerspace that can transform...so real.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    brilliantly written, (but) has plot weaknesses?

    by SkeletonParty

    Multiplex - He said it WASN'T brilliantly written you stupid dumbass. You read just about as well as Filmcoyote writes. How do you even use a keyboard with your empty beer can of a brain?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Yack Backer

    by trombone

    What is "OT" and "PT". Trying to figure out the initials. I'll probably see TF, but I was SOOO disapointed with Spider-Man 3, I've kind of given up hope on super hero movies. End of the innocence for me, I know. I wouldn't be suprised if this were the beginning of the end of the super-hero movie. People getting sick of them. What do they call it? A saturate market.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Also....PLANT!

    by Err

    yeah...

  • May 31, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    original trilogy and prequel trilogy

    by Rat Fink

    OT PT

  • May 31, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    finky...thank you

    by Romoehlio

    i suspected this and was told so more than once but still...i like the phrase (WHERE´S RATCHET?) still going to see this...heck, i watched matrix 3 times in a row and if this made the guy feel like he was watching the matrix...SOLD!!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    here's what will happen

    by Kloipy

    This movie will come out, make a ton of money, and then vanish into nothing until it comes out on dvd, makes a shit load more money, but is never thought of as a classic or an inovator

  • May 31, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    mediocrity

    by bentmywookie

    maybe because I work in a creative field of employment and have seen how the politics of this all play out, but I guess that's why I give a pass... especially on a tentpole film, that is not going to be a rich tapestry of fine art. I think anyone who thinks that isn't living in reality. I wish Hollywood had the balls to let a Peter Jackson run wild with his imagination and give him a blank check to do it. I am quite sure before the whole concept of transforming toy robots was sold in to the studio execs, we had to get a whole checklist of "love story" and human characters and the like. The reality for me is, I'm glad this movie was made with a budget that they could make it the right way. I hope that I will enjoy this movie on many levels. And I hope it opens the doors for even bigger thinking for future sequels. It sounds sad, in a way. But considering the different viewpoints here, do you really think ANYTHING they did would please all you people, really?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    I have an idea!

    by blackwood

    Let's discredit someone for holding an opinion different than ours! Let's attack his character and question whose pocket he sleeps in! Clearly, he does not know the Truth, and We Must Spread The Word!<br><br>What's with the internet these days. I mean, really. These Transmormons are tiresome.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Rat Fink

    by finky089

    she was too young to hang out there (though my grandad says "they're never too young"), but she says her sisters and her friends did. My mom was a rollerskate waitress at Doumar's in VA Beach. <p> But if Big Daddy Ed Roth is on your family tree, we just may meet up at the next family reunion. PS- the size of the dickhole on a flea is the same size chance that Michael Bay has of becoming a good director.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    one thing though...

    by Romoehlio

    bored by 300? bored? you can say a lot of things about 300...but boring? well then, guess who`s giggling (out of pure joy) throughout the whole movie...

  • May 31, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Gary Kurtz interview

    by trombone

    http://tinyurl.com/ywd27b It was posted last Friday for the celebration of 30 years of Star Wars. I just saw the movie again and it's still pretty good.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    PoC:DMC bored me and

    by bentmywookie

    PoC:DMC bored me and everybody I went with to it wish to the point we were all looking at our watches. PoC 3 sounds like more of the same crap and I probably will never see it. I don't completely turn off my crap detector when I see films. I just know that I just want to be entertained.

  • May 31, 2007, noon CST

    Romoehlio, I wondered about that too

    by finky089

    Say what you want about 300, but "boring" shoudn't be one of them. "Where's Ratchet?" <- should be the first thing posted in the TB when this film opens. Well, just after "frist!" (sic) of course.

  • May 31, 2007, noon CST

    Barricade figure is cool!

    by dead youngling

    Got a great face and the police car looks sweet. This is the review I wanted to hear--a movie to take me back to the younger years. Not liking the megs, though. hopefully a sequel will get him right.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    damn, the last part of my post went missing

    by finky089

    should have said: <p> "Where's Ratchet?" <- this should be the first post of the TB on the day this film opens. Well, the after someone posts "frist!" (sic) of course.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    eh, must be something weird in the coding

    by finky089

    cause it still ain't showing up. Damn You AICN!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    AWSOME HOW HE

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    shoots that guy in the jeep to bits and piec....hey wait a second! Wrong talkback :-)

  • May 31, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by Rat Fink

    Tell me about it. I want to see Optimus rip out Megatrons throat.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Matrix was March of 1999

    by Colonel Activity

    I was a senior in high school

  • May 31, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Come on people, give it up for ILM

    by gride9000

    GIANT COMPLEX TRANSFORMING CAR/ROBOTS. You know these parts excuse so much. Your money is not worth any more. I suggest marijuana during the "pre-show entertainment". You guys make me laugh, complaining about Transformers. <p> How come you TB Transformer/ Michael Bay/ Flames haters don't go make the "Real" transformers movie? <p> "I would if I had good ideas, 200 million bucks, motovaition of any kind and the ability to do anything but complaine on the internet!"<p>sorry to say, but Mikey Bay has all these things and you don't.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    thanks Rat Fink

    by trombone

    If you check out the interview, you'll see that Kurtz wasn't involved in Jedi, and so that explains why the movie is not nearly as good as Star Wars or Empire. I guess Han Solo was supposed to die, Leia was supposed to take over as Queen and Luke was left alone at the end. No Death Star retread (which I never liked anyway) and no rediculous Ewoks. Would like to get a script of that.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    THEIR CGI, OUR WEED

    by gride9000

    don't forget the bonbons!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    gride9000

    by trombone

    So no one can have an opinion about a movie unless he or she made it? <br><br> Your "let's just get stoned so it won't matter" just isn't a good argument, sorry

  • May 31, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Fuck this movie

    by Toby___Wong

    There is no way in hell I can enjoy this. I want goddamn Stunticons, Dinobots, Omega Supreme, Aerialbots, Soundwave and Astrotrain. I don't want no 2000 look for the Transformers. There is no way in hell this can be enjoyable for people that love the Generation 1 Transformers.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Great CGI AND a great SCRIPT?

    by trombone

    Who would have thought that were possible? It is: look at the Matrix. Look at T2.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    PLLAAAAAAAANNTT!!!!

    by Bones

    I cry "Vegetable".<p> This might be "entertaining"--but only in a painfully bad, "Fantastic 4" way...

  • May 31, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    WONDERMAN! FIGHTS CRIME AS IT COMES!

    by Colonel Activity

    http://tinyurl.com/2wzxmo

  • May 31, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    WONDERMAN! FIGHTS CRIME AS IT COMES!

    by Colonel Activity

    http://tinyurl.com/2wzxmo

  • May 31, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I stopped reading at "hated Amrageddon"...

    by slone13

    <p>"If anybody's anybody, I'm Han and you're Chewie."</p> <p>"Chewie?!? Have you even seen Star Wars??"</p>

  • May 31, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Transformers IV: Revenge in Burma

    by Puddleglum

    Maybe....MAYBE I'd see that one. Let's just hope the film doesn't start with Optimus praying atop Mt Everest before he goes on his killing rampage.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    You got the touch

    by GornPirate

    You got the power After all is said and done You've never walked, you've never run, You're a winner You got the moves, you know the streets Break the rules, take the heat You're nobody's fool You're at your best when when the goin' gets rough You've been put to the test, but it's never enough You got the touch You got the power When all hell's breakin' loose You'll be riding the eye of the storm You got the heart You got the motion You know that when things get too tough You got the touch You never bend, you never break You seem to know just what it takes You're a fighter It's in the blood, it's in the will It's in the mighty hands of steel When you're standin' your ground And you never get hit when your back's to the wall Gonna fight to the end and you're takin' it all You got the touch You got the power When all hell's breakin' loose You'll be riding the eye of the storm You got the heart You got the motion You know that when things get too tough You got the touch You're fightin' fire with fire You know you got the touch You're at your best when when the road gets rough You've been put to the test, but it's never enough You got the touch You got the power You got the touch You got the power

  • May 31, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Plant.

    by photoboy

    It's easy to spot plants, they start off admitting the film is mindless crap, and then try to persuade you that it's still good fun and that it's OK to watch it. Imagine if this was Batman, what would the reaction have been like if they'd stuck flames on the Batsuit?

  • May 31, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    You jackass fanboy douchebags

    by seagrass

    Filmcoyote is not a plant. Stick a fork in yourselves, you're done.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I hope it's just fun...

    by cdubbs727

    The big problem I had with Spidey 3 and POTC:AWE is that they started to take themselves to seriously and instead of being fun they started creating this deep mythology. With Spidey, I can understand it since it's based on a beloved comic book--they just tried to do too much and it stopped being fun. But with Pirates, it was from an AMUSEMENT PARK RIDE...just keep it fun and don't worry about making it epic and mythic. . that's not why we loved Black Pearl. So it would be nice to go into TF and see that Michael Bay has simply decided, "listen, this is a movie about robots blowing things up. It's based on toys. The only thing we have to do is give people a lot of robots, good effects and big explosions. As long as it's not overly stupid and we make it exciting, we've done our job." No big mythology, no trying to be deep...just delivering a big, fun ride.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    People who cry "Plant"

    by seagrass

    are clinically unable to sustain an erection when a female is present.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    WONDERMAN! FIGHTS CRIME AS IT COMES!

    by Colonel Activity

    http://tinyurl.com/2wzxmo

  • May 31, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I don't think he's a plant

    by Rat Fink

    I just don't think it's a well written review personally.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Whenever I hear "Labeouf"

    by Blanket-Man

    I think of Glen Campbell's character in TRUE GRIT: "I ain't dead yet!" Surely I'm dating myself there. I've only seen Shia in EVEN STEVENS, and he couldn't be more annoying. But, whatever, I ain't interested in TRANSFORMERS, no how. And enough with the SPIDEY 3 bashing: It was good, dammit!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Photoboy is an antiplant!

    by SkeletonParty

    It is easy to spot antiplants. They start off with single word subject lines, and then use a complete lack of logic to persuade you to think that a mediocre review is the secret ploy of the studios to rake in money from TBers on fan sites. <p>Obviously, photoboy works for a rival studio and is trying to trick us into missing out on the greatest movie ever made by humans.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    wet Blanket-Man

    by trombone

    What the heck was good about Spider-Man 3?

  • May 31, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Fat kid from Bad Santa died while chest bumping

    by Heckles

    Sad, sad day. I heard the other kid had a pumpkin head too. He saw Optimus' flames and went insane.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    finky is first...

    by Romoehlio

    who actually replied to "WHERE´S RATCHET?" awesome... 2 is a party, 3`s a crowd

  • May 31, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Optimus Toy from movie Transforms into a GUN

    by RokurGepta

    ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS GOD DAMN IT

  • May 31, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    and: THOUSAND is the new FIRST!

    by Romoehlio

    at least for transformers TB`s

  • May 31, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I was doing other things when the

    by ewokstew

    Transformers TV show was running so I have no pre-conceived notions about what the robots should or should not look like, do, say, act, etc... So when someone say's "Megatron has teeth" it's like telling me a car has a bumper. It means nothing to me. The only possible caveat to seeing this is Bay's penchant for being over the top. Beyond that, I hope to enjoy this.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS..

    by CaptGrogan

    What the hell is a "fuck-off robot" Sounds painful

  • May 31, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    ewokstew, you were watching Star Wars and making stew

    by Yack Backer

    Instead of watching transforming robots. To each his own!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Ewoks taste a little gamy

    by ewokstew

    But if you serve them up with some seasoning, veggies and a good red wine they go down quite well.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    They even gave the robots a REASON to look like cars!

    by DerLanghaarige

    I always found that stupid. They are robots...from outer space! But look like cars from planet earth.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    DOESN'T IT BOTHER ANYONE

    by RokurGepta

    That one of the New Optimus Toys transforms into a Gun

  • May 31, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Autobots Don't Fly

    by Eh Nam1313

    Thats just the way it is.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    DerLanghaarige

    by Bouncy X

    at the risk of sounding all fanboyish....the cartoon had a reason for them to look like cars and planes too.... satelite was sent out and scanned different vehicles. now if you mean, why bother to look like earth vehicles in the first place...then you're right, no real reason aside from the cool factor and selling toys..lol

  • May 31, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Optimus' Flames killed the Fat Kid?

    by Gatack

    Wow. who saw that coming? http://tinyurl.com/3764zs

  • May 31, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Gorn Pirate - The Touch

    by Squashua

    I liked it better in "Boogie Nights".

  • May 31, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Guys this is just the way things go here at AICN

    by IndustryKiller!

    The typical review pattern is being followed exactly. Especially for a non sequel. When a new franchise hits, arguments occur, and expectations lower to the point where people, even the smart ones, just sort of write "Ehh fuck it" reviews in which they praise the few things the movie does right and more or less ignore what it does wrong. I mean really read that review. The guy liked it on a personal level but is obviously completely underwhelmed by the film itself. The film will come out, all the apologists will rant in rave, six months will go by and everyone will realize what garbage it is and balance will be restored. It happened with X3e, Fantastic FOur, The Hulk etc.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who thinks this is going to bomb?

    by aiken_d

    Even my most mainstream, Friends-watching, consumer whore friends are ripping on this movie, complaining that it's an even more stupid TV-to-film adaptation than Brady Bunch. It's such a transparent toy advertisement, and (most) adults who enjoyed Transformers as children look back with embarrassment rather than nostalgia. The only reason I see for shelling out $15 or so is to see the CG work, which looks impressive. I'll wait to Netflix the DVD, watch the extras, and skip the film.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    WOW!!

    by tile_mcgillus

    So that review CONFIRMS everything we "haters" have complained about! EVERYTHING! And yet you people take that as a resounding success, that "big robos make boom boom weeeeee!" is all the movie is. God forbid someone hold this movie to simple fucking standards...I thought this was a cinema site where we discuss film. <p> What's next a cumfest review for the new Brats movie!?! "It was totally ridiculous and pathetic but totally awesome!" And if I say "what the fuck?" I am a pathetic hater. Sad face 5000

  • May 31, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    SM3

    by Blanket-Man

    Not to hijack this talkback, but since you asked, here's what I enjoyed in SM3: 1) Every Daily Bugle scene; 2) Every scene with Topher as Brock/Venom; 3) Maguire as Not-So-Evil Parker - hilarious; 4) Every Harry/Peter scene; 5) Bruce Campbell; 6) THC as Sandman; 7) The Final Battle (if Raimi had trimmed out the annoying reporters, it would've been much better, though). The only major complaints I have are pretty standard: 1) too much crammed into one flick; 2) too many damned coincidences, most of which could've been explained with a line or two; 3) Marko killed Uncle Ben?!?; 4) lame final scene. So THAT'S what I found "good" (and not so good) about SM3! I've seen it 4 times and enjoy it more with each viewing...

  • May 31, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Shia LaBeouf

    by landocolt45

    I know everyone knows this but his name means "Thanks God for Beff!!" Awesome right. Anyway I hope this movie doesn't suck too bad. I will wait for Massawyrm to do his review before I go.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS:FIRST BLOOD PART III

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Optimus shoots 'sploding arrows into Megatrons teethfilled metalmouth.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Remember this...

    by vicnameless

    make sure to include typos in your plant.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Blackwood

    by TruPhan

    Thank you for that much needed check in perspective.<p>That may sound sarcastic, but it's meant as genuine.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Blanket-Man

    by trombone

    4 times!!! I hope you got a pirate copy and didn't pay for 4 tickets. You're right, those things WERE good. I just don't understand how the whole movie could be called "good". That's OK, though

  • May 31, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Wait are you serious??

    by Alexanderx

    He has a kid? What did he do? Bang the Terminator chick from the last Terminator movie?

  • May 31, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Get your criticisms of other films right...

    by RevSick

    before you plant.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Spoilers and Starscream

    by filmcoyote

    Yes, I did avoid spoilers cause I hate when they sneak up on me in reviews and let's face it is a film about big fuck-off robots fighting humans and each other plot be damned. Oh, and Colonel Activity - sorry, Starscream doesn't get a whole hell of a lot of lines. Can't remember if its only one. However, Megatron does get to scream at him "Starscream you failed me again" or something like that which made my 80s-raised heart go pitter-pat!

  • May 31, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I skipped the review because this flick looks AWESOME!

    by JDanielP

    Killer special effects from everything I've seen...and with a story, that's enough for me to witness it on the BIG SCREEN.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    RE: This movie flopping...

    by Colonel Activity

    No chance. If America is going to Nickelback and Linkin Park more successful than The Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Interpol, then this movie is going to be a hit. Americans love crap.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Pretty much Tile....

    by RevSick

    ...there's nothing new in this except for basically cavetting on alot of points. It's almost like Don Murphy himself going "Well the acting sucks, but it's got giant fucking robots, the designs suck, but it's got giant fucking robots, the story script and everything else sucks, but it's got giant fucking robots, so you should all go see it cause it's a bad movie and will make me millions".

  • May 31, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Errr.......

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    bored by 300? BORED???<p>Friggin jealous plant.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    300 boring = credibility lost

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Haven't seen PoC3 yet, and I can wholeheartedely agree that S3 and X3 sucked balls, but 300 was boring? BORING?!?<p> Dear lord, I can't get my head around that. What does this guy do for fun and excitement, wrestle rabid grizzly bears, cage match no less?

  • May 31, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Hey Melgibsteinberg

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Say what you will about Doc Ock's love and poetry speech to Peter in Spidey 2. Point is, you remembered it. You even remembered enough to recall it was in fact T.S. Eliott they were talking about. I thought the scene worked nicely. Based on the fact that it stuck with YOU, who claims to have found it trite, I am convinced it DID work. And Spidey IS the cinematic superhero equivalent of Godfather 2!

  • May 31, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    filmcoyote

    by trombone

    "let's face it is a film about big robots"<br> <br> have to disagree on this basic premise. They can still make a GOOD movie with big robots. They can STILL take it seriously and have a good plot and a good script. The "their war, our planet" is a great premise. Did they develop it? It sounds like they didn't.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Sandra Huxtable gotta eat baby seals

    by YO MOM'S GOAT

    from the fat kid in Bad Santa.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    What about Megan Fox's sweaty chest?

    by Colonel Activity

    Does Shia take time out of his cat fucking to grope it?

  • May 31, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by trombone

    I also remember being pissed on by a cow: doesn't mean that it was good. So your point that because he remembered it=it was good doesn't stand up.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    The numbers game...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Just because some guy started it:<p> LIVE FREE OR DIE LAME = $120 mn<p>HAIRY POTHEAD 5 = $250 mn<p>TRANSFORMERS:FIRST BLOOD PART III = $180 mn<p>CRAPTASTIC FOUR 2 = $100 mn<p><p>JOHN RAMBO = $350 mn :-)

  • May 31, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    "let's face it- it's a film about a big, hungry shark"

    by Yack Backer

    Imagine that attitude being the basis for JAWS. That would have ended up being another shitty movie played on the SciFi network at 3AM.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Who did just say that

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    "Spidey IS the cinematic superhero equivalent of Godfather 2!" ???<p>WTF??? I guess someone needs some oxygen...

  • May 31, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    RE: Doc Ock

    by Colonel Activity

    As someone who majored in Lit for two terms (I was dedicated) I can attest that nobody knows what the fuck T.S. Eliot was talking about. Furthermore, no one read his poetry to woo women. It was always Ma$e or Uncle Jesse from "Full House". Also, cat fucking.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    So let me get this straight

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Optimus tries to hide behind a house he's twice the size of--yet he can transform into a semi truck, which last time I checked is about 1/10 the size of your average suburban home (not counting the trailer). Anyone see a logic problem here? It's the same one I raised with Bumblebee three weeks ago.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Yack Backer

    by trombone

    Actually, that movie is called Flipper and it's on the Disney channel

  • May 31, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    He's not a plant

    by darrenspool

    He's a fucking idiot! Jesus! I'd fuck Princess Leia in a metal slave bikini!

  • May 31, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    okay here is the thing...

    by tile_mcgillus

    I can discuss why you did or did not like Spiderman 3 with someone and we can go over plot points and examine mis-characterizations. BUT when the reviewer and the fans discard everything there is to discuss and just say it is "cool". There is no chance of a reasonable discussion. The reviewer basically says "bad plot/ acting/ script/ dialogue/ story/ designs/ humor/ etc etc etc. HOW CAN WE DISCUSS THE FILM THEN!! You concede at the beginning BUT THEN you say it is a good film and EXPECT me bow to this films "awesomeness". SHAMEFUL. Fucking shameful.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Until All Are One

    by Alpha Trion

    the cartoon wasnt that great. it had great moments. I agree you can turn a kids movie into something an adult can enjoy. Thats what Speilberg is for. You can only hope he assembled the right people to make this movie work.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Yes, but were there fat kids chest bumping?

    by Ricky Henderson

    Or did you attend a different screening? Nice to hear they're apparently amping up the action a little bit from what was in the draft script. Still, the build up to the big climax at the end reminds me a lot of what Bay did with the build up to the Japanese attack in "Pearl Harbor." Just a gut feeling.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker and Trombone, you guys get it.

    by IndustryKiller!

    Thank you. Its a film about big fuck off robots so plot be damned? Ok fine PLOT be damned MAYBE, but with this script is much more CHARACTER be damned. The not a thing going on here for any of these character and from what you've said about Starscream and Megatron and Bumblebee and (god help us) the human characters I can see that Bay failed the moviegoing public again.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    That sure stinks of Plant....

    by veritasses

    He's a Plant or he's just a below average reviewer with zero credibility. If I understand him correctly, over the topness + great set pieces + superb sfx + Shia > bad acting + no plot + plot holes + bad designs + thin characters + irritating characters + forced moments + painful moments + banal dialog....

  • May 31, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    <p>

    by RokurGepta

    http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=Products/Catalog&subbrand=513 <p> This Optimus Toy Transforms into a Gun, DAMN YOU HASBRO, DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY, DAMN YOU

  • May 31, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Planttastic

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Hey guys, Transformers is really cool, come see it! Whatever, any film that has a robot jump into the air and change into a fighter jet can't be all bad. Can it?

  • May 31, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    I said based on the fact that he remembered the scene

    by Abominable Snowcone

    it DID work on some level. I did not explicitly say that because he remembered it, it was good. I thought it was good. I can appreciate if others did not. I didn't find Alfred Molina's acting weak, or the script too trite. He was very good. I won't ask how you managed to have a cow piss on you :) was her name Rosie O'Donnell?

  • May 31, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity

    by Abominable Snowcone

    My degree's in English. I studied Elliot. I don't get him either. Him and those cats and that Prufrock bullshit. What-ever! I'm just saying that the scene worked for me. And no, I don't think guys read poetry to chicks either in real life. Not if they want a blow job or sex. Sad to say, you'd have more luck getting laid if you mistreated the chick or acted like a drunk asshole, because even nice women seem to favor that kind of behavior these days.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    What I expected.

    by 7pointedstar

    So, not a great movie necessarily, but definitely a fun one. I'll catch a matinee.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Filmcoyote

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    OK dude, that Megatron line ("Starscream you failed me again") is a huge tell = either you've actually seen a test screening or you're shadowing someone else's TS review.<P>1) Which test screening location did you attend?<P>2) Tell us all something we haven't heard or seen before (i.e. where does Prime's weapon come from? Does Ratchet actually DO anything?)<P>Folks are calling "PLANT". You need to step up and defend.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Good recommended film...

    by Err

    The Last King of Scotland. Forrest Whitaker is beyond scary as Idi Amin. Just a phenomenal film.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Well, if it's fun it's fun

    by Vern

    Hopefully people will feel they got their money's worth, since they will definitely be paying their money. Still makes me a little sad though to see a review that is basically saying "one good performance, horrible script, most of the cast obviously did it only for the money and expended no effort, but a couple good jokes and lots of effects... BEST MOVIE SINCE THE MATRIX!"<p> To me THE MATRIX not only has great setpieces and effects, it's also a clever, involving story. It works on multiple levels and although obviously it influenced the effects and action scenes of hundreds of movies, it also worked its way into the popular consciousness in more meaningful ways, creating a universally understood metaphor for modern life (just the other day I saw some angsty teen graffiti about how you're stuck in the matrix). They gave us more than just bullet time. And although I kind of liked the sequels, most of the world did not accept them, they held them to a higher standard than just being impressed by some spectacle. They wanted more. Those were the good old days, I guess.<p> What the guy is describing here sounds to me more like an INDEPENDENCE DAY, ARMAGEDDON, VAN HELSING type deal, a movie that will make lots of money and impress people with some flashiness and loud booms, but quickly be forgotten or disavowed.<p> But hopefully not, we all love robots and what not. good luck everybody.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    What about that Energon stuff?

    by nelwack

    That stuff always looked so apealing. All pink and cube like. I bet that stuff tasted good. I bet OPTIMUS PRIME would make beer out of that stuff to get JOHNNY FIVE all shit faced so he could you know.... access his hard drive.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Why TF can be a good bad movie. . .

    by cdubbs727

    The simple fact is that TF is a movie that exists to be nothing more than a theme park ride. You get in and spend two hours being thrilled and then you leave. I don't expect it to leave a lasting impression on me like Raiders or Lord of the Rings. I expect it to be nothing more than big, stupid fun, like Independence Day or Bad Boys. I don't expect it to change cinema or even be on my list for favorite movies. I DO expect an adrenaline rush. That's all I want because, honestly, you can't really make a movie aboug giant robots that transform into cars be a movie of depth and meaning. It's a movie that, at heart, needs to entertain kids and adults...so it's going to be thrilling and nothing else. That's all I want. When I want something deeper I'll go to the art theater.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    I don't think Van Helsing

    by Rat Fink

    goes in the same category with Armageddon and ID4. Armageddon and ID4 were at least entertaining. Van Helsing was a complete mess that made me nauseous.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I certainly don't think this is going to be a trilogy

    by Ricky Henderson

    Or a new transformers franchsie. It'll be mildly entertaining, piss off all the fans, and fizzle at the box office after week two. Harry Potter is going to destroy this movie at the box office when it rolls around. And I'm rooting for Die Hard 4 to surprise me this summer.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Giant Robots...

    by The Dum Guy

    I remember leaving Matrix Revolutions utterly disappointed, but friends kept saying "It had giant robots fighting! Yay!". I told them that if I wanted to go see a movie with giant robots, I would go see a Transformers movie, and now I'll have that chance... I know this has nothing to do with this article, per se, but I just want this to not suck like so many other summer films.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    I dont understand

    by lionbiu

    with SM3 and POTC3 we can attack the movies for having terrible plots, average performances and no sense of what real fimaking is....but somehow Transformers can get a 'get out of jail free card' because it has giant robots fighting?!?!?

  • May 31, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Vern's got it right--

    by zb.brox

    People are constantly trying to make it seem as though all big-budget special effect movies are equal. They're not. The outcry over Spidey-3 proves they're not. Star Wars did more than just impress people visually. Terminator 2 did more than introduce morphing to the movies. The Matrix did more than give us bullet time. Lord of the Rings did more than give us the first truly believable CGI character. Hell, Die Hard did more than just give us the phrase "Yippie-ki-ay, motherfucker". A movie can be fun, and action-packed, and revel in what's essentially thoughtlessness, but still have quality dialog, acting, and plotting. Not to mention some emotional resonance.<p>Obviously not many of us know, at this point, exactly how Transformers is gonna pan out, but it's not stupid or pretentious to want it to be a good film, not just a good effects reel.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    The three listed films....

    by RevSick

    Armageddon, ID4 and Van Helsing had no promises behind them other than big ka-booms and special fx. There were no expectations, other than fluff, with Transformers there's already a pre-existing universe of characters and storyline. Not that they have to go verbatim from that, but you at least have to match the tone of it, and the problem here is you have a bunch of people who think it's just shit and below them making the movie instead of people who actually know anything about it. They should have found someone with more knowledge of the property/fanbase.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by nelwack

    YEAH!

  • May 31, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    sounds great, i cant fucking wait.

    by wcoop893

    did that rhyme? anyways im leaving this talkback now because i just skimmed the review as to avoid most spoilers. peace

  • May 31, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I think LOTR and 300

    by RevSick

    ..are prime examples of how you can adapt something keep it true to it's source have loads of special effects and have alot of emotional ressonance.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Hey Vern!

    by Colonel Activity

    What are the chances that Shia fucks a cat in this movie on a scale from 1-2?

  • May 31, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    zb.brox, well said

    by Calimist

    Yippie-ki-ay, Motherfucker!!!

  • May 31, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    The Matrix...

    by bentmywookie

    ... never had to do what the expectations of this movie are supposed to do. That's why it wasn't released as a Summer Blockbuster, it was released in March. Some no name writer/directors basically using their script exactly as they wanted and not having to hold up to July 4th, Speilberg, Fanboys crazies lofty expectations. I got what filmcoyote meant by his "excitement" being like that of experienceing the Matrix. At least Vern admits he's commenting on something he hasn't yet seen and open to be pleasently suprised.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    BSB, I have seen MATADOR

    by Yack Backer

    Very watchable. I think it could have used a little more Hope Davis, because I think she rocks it, but otherwise, a very good movie. Good call, my friend.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Oh. BSB, question for you

    by Yack Backer

    I'm in the market for a new TV, leaning towards a flat-panel. I think you said you have one, is that right? Any advice?

  • May 31, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    RevSick

    by El Mamerro

    Van Helsing definitely had a pre-existing universe and characters.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I don't think there were loft expectations by fan boys.

    by RevSick

    I don't think having your characters have some semblence to the characters they're based on is a loft expectation. If they do an adaptation of something they should at least have the characters be recognizable, I don't think that's too damn much to ask.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    re: Van Helsing

    by Colonel Activity

    Terrible, terrible script and special effects. Also, not enough cat fucking.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    And Van Helsing....

    by RevSick

    wasn't very good either. Never saw it in the theater either cause I knew it was going to be sci-fi channel-rific at best.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Well then have I got the movie for you Colonel...

    by RevSick

    ...Troma puts it out it's clalled Teenage Catgirls in Heat. That should have you fill of cat fucking in a round about way.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    hey 80's kids!

    by vicnameless

    remember that feeling you had with Jedi, and T2? And how you creamed your genes at the matrix? Well, don't be an old fogy! Go see M. Bay's newest movie about "fuck-off robots" is there an emoticon for sarcasm?

  • May 31, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    I don't want to spoil anything here, but...

    by finky089

    Sam Wittwicky kills Megatron at the end. WTF? Not Optimus? Not any Autobot? I only offer this as further proof that this film was written about the humans and NOT the "giant fucking robots" that some want to claim is the reason this movie should get away without quality dialogue or character development, I remind you that(yes, it is possible this could have changed in production). <p> So, there will be some robot fighting going on, but realize most of it is robots vs. humans for a combine 20 minutes of the film. And not alot of anything else except shitty writing and a dog peeing on Ironhide during the rest.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    No emoticon for sarcasm, vicnameless

    by Yack Backer

    But punctuation is your friend-- you can position the flow of your words effectively with the right punctuation. Don't be lazy. Don't be like Mike (Bay).

  • May 31, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    finky089, your spoiler warning as not loud enough!

    by Yack Backer

    Hehehe.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    vicnameless--

    by zb.brox

    Don't take this as an insult or anything, but I really love the idea of "creaming your genes". That's hilarious.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Better movies than the Matrix have come out since '99.

    by Err

    Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is one of 'em. LOTR are better blockbusters.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I've never thought the Matrix movies were that great

    by Rat Fink

    the first one was entertaining, the second was confusing, and i've never seen part 3 due to all the bad reviews.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Shit Leblow

    by Camacho for President

    sorry mates, the kid is a shit-tay actor....everything I've seen him in is dog shit. I couldn't wait for them to kill off his character in Constantine...and when they did the movie instantly got better....rough to say though, the movie was still pretty much dog shit.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Same fatal flaw with Pearl Harbor

    by vicnameless

    I think a lot films try get answers about what people want to see and then run off and crank it out, when real filmmaking come from a director's vision. Be careful what you wish for, or what you tell a focus group, you just might get it. ie. ROBOTS! ROBOTS! ROBOTS! and nuthin' but ROBOTS!!! 300 was exactly what i wanted, or "what i thought i wanted", that it became a bit of a letdown, instead of a surprise. just a thought.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I thought that's what you're doing when you cream...

    by RevSick

    you're creaming your genes.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    matrix

    by lionbiu

    the first is great....fuck all the others. I can midly enjoy Reloaded, but Revolutions was just pure dreck. But I do think I am in the minority of people who was never much impressed with T2 other than its special effects..T1 was a far more effective movie.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    The only part of T2 I didn't like

    by RevSick

    was edward furlong and his terrible acting craping up the place.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Vern's right.

    by palimpsest

    This is big dumb popcorn fun territory. That's not necessarily a bad thing. And besides, this is what Bay does, popcorn flicks. The only time he tackled a subject that warranted any kind of seriousness (PEARL HARBOR), he fucked up badly. TRANSFORMERS will be loud action-centered effects-heavy fun, and nothing more. So enjoy it on that level, though I'll damn well guarantee that by the time we're in the parking lot outside the theater after the movie, we'll be hard-pressed to recall a single damn thing about the film. My advice - do a movie double-header with something that sounds interesting...

  • May 31, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Vern

    by Fenton Meiks

    The reason most of the world "didn't accept" the Matrix sequels wasn't because they were held to a higher standard, it was because they were absolutely awful. In a two-fisted swoop they wiped out all the goodwill most people had for the Wachowskis, and damaged the reputation of the original in a manner not seen since Highlander 2 was released. Reloaded was pretentious, muddled, and boring (apart from the "best car chase eva" as Reloaded apologists trumpet en masse if you dare criticise the film). Revolutions was just a turd, pure and simple. I'd rather watch Robot Jox than sit through that Z movie garbage again, although I still enjoyed it more than Reloaded. While I seriously doubt that Transformers is going to be anywhere near as enjoyable as The Matrix, or indeed T2 (that's a fairly outrageous claim), I'm still looking forward to it. A film can be dumb and entertaining at the same time. It's when the makers then try to inject some kind of contrived meaning, to the point where they confuse themselves a la The Matrix sequels, that they begin to make themselves look silly.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    BSB, this is the one I'm leaning towards

    by Yack Backer

    http://tinyurl.com/yqvxcs

  • May 31, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    YACK

    by finky089

    Speaking of sarcasm....oops, did I do that? <p> What's a little dickery here and there on the AICN TB's? Actually, I figure the people who would don't want spoilers and are really amped about the movie shouldn't care b/c they keep harpingon the fact that "Bay says they've changed stuff since the leaked script." <p> I, like many others here, continue to see nothing but the actual production proving out the leaked script. And anyone else who sees these similarities won't be spoiled by that post. <p> As for the few people who might read it and be "spoiled", I'm guessing they'll see it comes from that "TINO!" guy and discount it as truthful anyway.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    i bet all the haters are so mad that someone liked it w

    by wcoop893

    who grew up with the transformers. haha suckers, i hope everyone in the world loves this movie, yes, even the evil haters on this site. i hope you can all be won over, even if you dont admit it. i can safely say i will like, as long as i dont go in with unreasonably high expectations like i did for spidey 3

  • May 31, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    wcoop893

    by Yack Backer

    Double your meds, chief.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Yeah I have no problem with spoilers whatsoever

    by Ricky Henderson

    Some movies I'll avoid them for--this is not one of those movies. I did the same thing with Godzilla when it came out. Sitting in the theater, anticipating the next underwhelming action scene actually made watching Godzilla MORE enjoyable somehow. Same thing applies to this movie. I'm looking forward to saying: "woo boy, here comes the racially insensitive scene with Bernie Mac and/or Tyrese."

  • May 31, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Fucking Moratorium on the use of "HATERS"

    by Brians Life

    Listen there are definetely some whiney fan-boys with unreasonably high expectations on this site (I'm one of em)...but 'could we PLEASE stop the use of "HATERS" in reference to people that are pointing out the obvious flaws in an obviously flawed movie. Are we 14 year old girls from the OC!?! I'd use the term "Lovers" to refer to those that instantly believe that anything comic/pop culture/fanboy related MUST be fucking awesome and in no way can suck....BUT you all spew so much venom it's hard to see you love anything...maybe "blind" is a better moniker. Y'all remind me of my buddy Steve who LOVED Marvel's Civil War....a room full of fuckin' Steve's.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I am a hater and I'm proud.

    by Yack Backer

    Man the fuck up, Brians Life! We NEED you to fight back!

  • May 31, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Bring brainless action to my mind!!!!!!!!

    by ludmir88

    i need it!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 31, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Gus Van Rant., Yackbacker...

    by Brians Life

    Once again when I've managed to pigeon hole the entirety of Talkback Community...I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm also a HUGE hypocrite (not that I say one thing and do another alot...I'm just 14 feet tall). I too AM a "hater." I'm just tired of it being used as a derogatory term by those who believe it wounds us. We don't just hate for the sake of it, like the "haters" of old...we hate BECAUSE we LOVE. I hated Spider-Man 3 because I fuckin' LOVE Spider-Man.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    WCOOP what is your argument for the use of "hater"?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Now you and I know each other from these talkbacks and I think for the last few months I have been coming up with some pretty reasonable well supported reasons for my extreme skepticism of this film. That is more than I can say for yourself, who has offered only that all the movie needs to be successful is giant robots. Which leads me to believe Uwe Boll could have directed this and it you would have been right as rain. So either argue your point of view or quit throwing names around.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    haterz

    by prime lips

    rather than haters, please

  • May 31, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    It all you want is robots and stuff blowing up...

    by tile_mcgillus

    then watch battle bots! Or an explosion collage for two hours. I would prefer an actual film...with a story. Apparently I am just a blind "hater" wanting to see a cohesive story. I am such a jerk.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Re: Megan Fox

    by Colonel Activity

    She is engaged to Brian Austin Green from Beverly Hills 90210...the lady has taste! Also, Shia fucks a cat in this movie.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    cat fucker??

    by Camacho for President

    how is that possible without an NC-17? as far as range for an actor I knew he had that in em, but jesus the MPAA will have a field day with that kind of interspecies erotica.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    I don't really worry what BLIND APOLOGISTS have to say

    by Yack Backer

    Especially when they try to paint us as blind haters. I have made my arguments countless times to many people. I don't think those who have debated me can honestly say I'm a hater with no basis- even the crack-smoking ganymede has to concede that point.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    All YackBacker has ever asked is...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...that you keep his penis away from Megatron's mouth.<P>Right Yack?

  • May 31, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    MNG, that is correct!

    by Yack Backer

    Please keep my cock away from that thing. I know how I get-- after 2-3 drinks, I'll start getting Energon-eyes and I'll come onto Megs. And then I will invariably try to shove my cock in his mouth, and when that happens, I know I'll be sorry. So PLEASE keep that thing away from me.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    it's true

    by RokurGepta

    www.shiafucksacat.com

  • May 31, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    This helps solidify my decision

    by Aqua-Mega-Cock-Man

    TO BIT TORRENT THIS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!

  • May 31, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Megatron's mouth = A YackBacker Cock-free Zone

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Nothing but Shirley Temples for my boy!!!

  • May 31, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    I will agree with one thing...

    by Boober

    most of us DO, in fact, have our perceptions skewed like crotchety old men longing for the golden age of yester-year. I understand the anger towards the whole "paradigm-shift" from good movie-making = dollars to Mass-Market Appeal = even more dollars than a good movie. But hey, this guy hit a chord with me about wanting to feel like a kid again. And, oh yeah, 300 did get boring in spots, and its action, while an interesting experiment in using Miller's GN as a storyboard template, was not on par with many a movie. Off the top of my head, I'd say Braveheart's action scenes crush it.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    PS, moratorium on TINO and fanboy?

    by Boober

    Better yet, how about a moratorium on Plant?

  • May 31, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Success!

    by Neil McCauleys Crew

    Looks like this movie's turning out to be what a lot of peeps been hootin' n hollerin' for.<p>Your big fucking robots fighting big fucking robots movie has arrived. Enjoy! I'm happy for y'all. It was inevitable that a Transformers movie would be made in the lifetimes of G1 fans. Unfortunately in what seemed to be capable hands we instead get a re-imagining of a treasured franchise that does not contain one shred of characterization that made us cheer for the bots in the first place.<p>I think one half-hearted attempt at getting something right was having Bumblebee 'bond' with the human character similar to the series. The execution of that attempt seems botched. And then we have Prime stepping on flowers and trying to hide behind a house.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I'll second the need for Cumpston...

    by Boober

    Get him and Mori in the same theatre and have them release their reviews simultaneously.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay says

    by RokurGepta

    T"his movie was made to frak you in your eye pussies"

  • May 31, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    ok ok ok, I get it....

    by Camacho for President

    the premise worked so well for Lindsay Lohan in th eHerbie movie they thought to let Shia do the same bit in this one....my only question is why the hell didnt they get the mac guy to do this one too?

  • May 31, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson? Blank Cheque?

    by metaluna

    'I wish Hollywood had the balls to let a Peter Jackson run wild with his imagination and give him a blank check to do it.' Your wish is my command... have you SEEN 'King Kong'? It's like Kong himself took a giant squirly dump on your lap. As for 'Transformers, a film in disguise', why do people on here expect a decent story when the words giant transforming robots from outer space and Michael Bay directing are used in the same sentence to describe this waste of celluloid? Beats me why they don't just cut to the chase and give those who want it ninety minutes of giant robot cage wrestling with no story. Me, I'll pass. I like some resemblance of a story in my films thanks.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Fenton Meiks

    by Vern

    I didn't mean that the MATRIX sequels were held to a higher standard than the first one, I meant that they were held to a higher standard than this review, and many talkbackers, are holding THE TRANSFORMABLES to. For RELOADED, they built a fuckin 2 mile loop of freeway and shot an incredible spectacle involving a gigantic car chase, agents jumping on and smashing cars, a kung fu fight on top of a moving semi, special effects monsters flying through cars, Carrie Ann Moss risking her life because they wanted her to do a motorcycle stunt for real, etc. Not to mention that fight where Neo swats off about two hundred Hugo Weavings, the really beautifully Yuen Woo Pinged battle in the hotel lobby, and all the other HUGE FUCKING SPECTACLE scenes in the movie.<P> I personally think the movie has more to offer than that, but most people don't, including you. If you were holding it to TRANSFORMABLES standards you would have just written "Reloaded was pretentious, muddled, and boring... but there was a car chase! I felt like I was ten again!" That's my point.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    VERN you nailed it....

    by jhpiii

    This will be the Independence Day of 2007. Nothing great, no real plot...Only one memorable performance....but other than that....a action movie to eat popcorn to..... I dont know what else people expected coming from Michael Bay...He is no Spielberg....THe days of a real summer blockbuster movie are gone.... Hollywood has sold its fans out for half-a!@ efforts...thanks to Bay,Bruckheimer, I've already forgotten the idiot that did Xmen 3.....Maybe they'll find a decent director on the new FOX reality show contest...lol...thay cant do any worse!

  • May 31, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    "THe days of a real summer blockbuster movie are gone"

    by Yack Backer

    What a meaningless statement, jhpiii. O'm sorry if you're so casually able to accept that shitty movies are inevitable, but let's discuss some free-market theory here: shitty movies are ruining the film industry. Rare is the film that opens to a decent weekend b.o. take and sustain itself for several months. Now, we get a two-three week window for a film to pull in 75% of its box office receipts. That's pathetic. I know, people are relying on home video more than ever, but I don't particularly like seeing Star Wars on a 50" screen when I can see it in a theater instead. Generally, movies are made for theaters. So, shitty over-hyped empty movies like the pnes we've seen this summer (and will continue to see in July, ahem) are only doing a disservice to the industry. I say fine, vote with your dollars and do not even give these shitfests big opening weekends. If that's the window for movies to make their $$, deny the studios the opportunity to get off easy with a break-even blockbuster. The less likely these movies have of braking even, the more likely (hopefully) project development will be treated better.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    MAtrix 2

    by jhpiii

    Was like the Star Wars prequels to me....You knew you had this GREAT product, so for the follow you deviated from the simple formula ion your first movie, and tried to hard to make something on a completely different level, and your are left with some great moments, but at the end you are saying."What the he!!????" Maybe Irvin Kershner will come back and show em how its done...

  • May 31, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Live action success = 1986 movie animated sequel ?

    by agentf1

    Ok, I made a decision last night. I don't care much about the Transformers live action movie. I'll go see it, if it's ok, it's ok, whatever. <p> HOWEVER, could the success of this movie possibly allow for a cartoon sequel to the 1986 movie? (not getting into whether it's post Season 3, blah blah).<p> There is precedent for Marvel making direct to video animated movies alongside their live action counterparts, why not Transformers? How cool would it be to get as many of the old voice cast back as possible, along with a Vince DiCola scored direct to video movie sequel written by Simon Furman? That's like a Transformers fanboys wet dream.<p> Bay/Spielberg can make as many crappy live action Transformers flicks as they want if they would just give us something like that.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Yak backer I think you read it wrong....

    by jhpiii

    What you said is what Im saying....Craptastic movies is what saturates the summer now. And they are only craptastic because they are givng half A@# efforts to talent less directors like Singer or Bay.....I mean cmon with anough budget to your SFX dept, who can't make something decently eye catching....but thats all it is...there is no life in many of these movies...I dont gotot 1 st weekend movies for theat very reason, they just arent worth my time anymore.....If they don't tamper with the next Rambo flick, that might be....

  • May 31, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    re: Peter Jackson

    by bentmywookie

    of course I was talking about the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I hated King Kong too. This is why these blockbusters DO get watered down... when the magic of creative genious meets hands-off studios is a rare thing. And I think those who wanted something glorious and genre-shifting out of Transformers doesn't understand how these things work. That said, SCREW THE HATERZ. I'M EXCITED ABOUT MY BIG ROBO-SMASHING ACTION!

  • May 31, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    That was Plantastic!

    by lost.rules

    Yep.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Apologies, jhpiii

    by Yack Backer

    Thanks for the clarification. I'm drunk right now.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Question

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    How does silence speak?<br>And when did silence name itself "robert"?

  • May 31, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    flames on Optimus = nipples on a pair of tits ;p

    by jimmy rabbitte

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=QusUpDCF7-Q

  • May 31, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    "liked Rock and Bad Boys", "bored by 300"

    by Ninja_Master

    I can't be surprised that a Bad Boys fan would like Transformers. I hate every Bay film. I hate the way he makes films. Having hated Bad Boys and the Rock, and having enjoyed 300 very much don't see myself sharing film tastes with the reviewer. Hearing the films ok, from someone who liked Bad Boys isn't going to convince me. I want to hear someone who has hated every Bay film tell me "Transformers is a step up, not the same shit" before I expect something good. But that's not going to happen. It's going to be the same badly written, badly edited, badly paced, poorly directed, over long, expensive looking pig shit Bay's always peddling. I'm going to hate it, every other critic will hate it, but it'll make a fortune; insuring that Bay's hack career will continue for many more long years.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Optimus prime has lips?

    by nelwack

    Jesus... really? Do you see them in the trailers? Which one?

  • May 31, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    haters, can we agree to call the director "Mike Bay"

    by Yack Backer

    Michael is such a respectful presentation of this hack's name. "Mike Bay" is the kind of guy who sniffs glue and comes onto small children. With Don "Thousand Chins" Murphy as his wingman.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Look. Here's the thing.....

    by lost.rules

    This movie is not going to be Star Wars, or The Matrix, and probably not even as good as ID4. Just the same, it'll make tons of money that opening weekend, and quickly plummet the next week after FF4 comes out. Then Harry Potter comes out after that, then The Simpsons. There are too many BIG movies coming out for Transformers to sustain an audience with mediocre writing and phoned in performances. It'll be just another forgetable summer movie.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    robertsilence...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Wow. And you had to re-post that nonsense?

  • May 31, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    This is a review of the fucking trailer

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    and he added bits and pieces in that were obvious to anybody who has read into this movie. This guy is full of shit.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    TomBodet

    by lost.rules

    Sorry sir, but you got some really crappy taste. Really crappy.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Planty McPlantstein

    by picardsucks

    Plantimus Plantprime

  • May 31, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Tile_McGillis & zb.brox

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Exactly my thoughts/opinion.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Sorry. I meant Tile_McGillus

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    no disrespect, just a simple spelling error

  • May 31, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    YackBacker or Yack Backer?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    What computer were you on the other night? I just remember you have two ids. My wife still laughs about your "diodes" post from a while back. <P>YackBacker is always on point. This movie could have been so great. Alas, they just based it on toys instead of looking at what has resonated for over two decades. I promised I wouldn't do this again. Sorry.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Gus van Rant is a child, a hater-parody, or ...

    by Lamerz

    needs some serious fucking help. Geez, should a movie about giant fuckin robots be SO important? I loved TF as a kid, had the toys, saw the movie, etc. But then I grew up, got a job, a wife, a kid, responsibility. Whether a summer tentpole movie entertains me is the least of my worries. I'll see it, and I hope it's fun, but if not ... sure as hell won't be the end of my world. I'll warn people not to see it and wait for the next big flick (HP5). <P>By the way, where is the Thundercats movie??

  • May 31, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Vice President???? I ... I don't know what...

    by Boober

    to say!!! I humbly accept the invitation at whatever rank NC deems worthy. And now, A STORY: Once upon a time when children knew what wonder was (or should I say Long, Long AGO)...there was a movie with aliens, robots, technology and things blowing up for over 90 minutes strait (like planets). There was a boy who was right smack dab in the middle of it all. It was a magical movie-going time for all of us. Alas, a not-so-long time ago, most grew to become egotistical, self-gratifying (i.e. deluded), myopic elitists who lost their sense of wonder. A new movie with aliens, robots, technology things blowing up, and a young man at the center of it all is about to hit the big screen and it is being torn to shreds by those who once knew what wonder was. And they haven't even seen it yet. Alas, there is no cure for Jaded Prickitus...the end.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I'll probably

    by krushjudgement

    see this movie once. Take my money Michael and Steven. ps Spielberg, Hey why don't you talk Mr. Lucas into letting you direct episodes 7, 8, and 9. You know we want it.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Honestly, you can't enjoy movies the same way...

    by Drath

    Part of enjoying movies used to be thinking most people liked them the same as you. But the internet community isn't so unified, it's a bit like being stuck in High School but not being able to say "boy none of these idiots gets it." It's now clear that it's not them, it's you--or me or us or you get the idea. We don't have to all like the same movies, but it's nice to think others agree with you--it's validation to think "hey, I loved Jaws and it was a huge hit, so see, I know what's good!" I think a lot (I mean A LOT) of internet geeks are still struggling with the reality that the Internet community is not the place to go to find validation of your love or hate of a movie. Yeah it's great to read someone else praising Hudson Hawk, but just as often they'll bitch about something you love or at least like better than the other guy. The truth is EVERYTHING is flawed and is going to have some naysayers, and the bigger a hit a movie appears to be the bigger the backlash ends up being because when people feel their self expression isn't being heard they get polarized to the most radical sides. Raiders of the Lost Ark would get torn apart nowawdays, no question. If nothing else it would be overhyped. It was a movie of it's time, just like Casablanca was, and we have to appreciate those kinds of movies for that the way American Graffitti appreciated the last summer of innocence and the culture that preceeded it. We can't turn back the clock, be glad we had the experience(s) when we did. It was a gift.__________________I'm in the same age group as this reviewer. I think Transformers looks okay, and while it's not the Transformers I grew up with, I was never very into them even as a kid, so I'm not really concerned. It does seem like the odd man out as one of the only non-sequel tentpole releases and I'm kind of sorry that the three-quels aren't stronger because it doesn't seem to me like any of these franchises can't sustain a longer run. Spider-Man 3 had no business being so choppy (and Raimi had some nerve killing Brock at the end), but Shrek 3 was horrendous. Pirates 3 wasn't so bad but talk about having a ton of set up material and not doing very much with it. I'm not sure I can get very excited about a franchise starter if I know the series will start to have creative trouble by the time part 3 comes along. Maybe if they just get Alfonso Cauron to direct third chapters, they'll always be good?

  • May 31, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Fantasic 4 better than The Matrix!

    by lost.rules

    Your words, faggot. Not mine

  • May 31, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    HA! A NEGATIVE REVIEW! THE " HATERS' " HATERS GOT PWNED

    by Err

    MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! BRING IT!

  • May 31, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    TomBodet

    by lost.rules

    You are a fucking idiot! You liked the Mummy films! You liked the Matrix sequels! You didn't like the original Matrix! You are a total fucking moron! Go back to the Fantasic Four TB. DoucheBag!

  • May 31, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    The Matrix Trilogy OWNS YOUR ASSES!!!

    by Johnno

    Just admit it! Now you will all go out there and buy the HD-DVD set and the Blu-Ray set later on because that's the winning format! <br>........................<br> The POWER OF BOLD COMPELS YOU!!!

  • May 31, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Spidey and LOTR trilogies beat Matrix trilogy any day.

    by Err

    Both are far more critically acclaimed, loved by fans, and have way more money.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    "Mummy and Armageddon"?????!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    TomBodet, in fact, just crawl into a hole and die. It would be better for the rest of us.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    This Just In

    by RokurGepta

    Kynd uv inturestin -------------------------------- <p> From imdb.com <br> ------------------------------ <p> The government of Malaysia was so impressed with the work of two Irish-trained Labradors -- loaned to them by the MPAA -- in sniffing out illegal CDs and DVDs that they have asked the movie organization for permanent replacements. Iskander Halim with Malaysia's Domestic Trade Ministry told the Associated Press that the two Labs had helped uncover more than 1.3 million counterfeit DVDs and CDs worth $4.43 million on the black market.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    You know you are a geek when.....

    by jhpiii

    You spend the evening comparing the LOTR trilogy vs Matirx Trilogy vs. Spidey trilogy; on a Transformers movie review forum....Admitting is half the battle

  • May 31, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    idea I had for a spoof movie

    by RokurGepta

    Think comedy the style of "Galaxy Quest" It's a Trilogy Spoof Trilogy, Spooofing LOTR, Matrix, and the Starwars Prequels. <p> Thoughts?

  • May 31, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    ttff

    by huggerorange

    im surprised megatron is in it for only the finale..oh well fuck it.. it looks like there will be plenty of decepticon destruction anyway. Im in for seeing this.. I have no problem with shia, i saw him in bobby and thought he was the best thing in that movie. i agree hes good actor and has a natural talent for comedy.. So i take it that bumblebee does simply scan a newer camaro..what the heck is ratchet good for then???

  • May 31, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    TomBodet

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What's up you crazy bastard?<P>Yeah, Ringy showed up in the Rosie TB just to backhand BSB. Kind of an in-and-out thing really. It may be his oddest, most unexpected appearance yet.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    At least the Matrix trilogy had a story

    by I Dunno

    What was the story in Spider-Man? "Oh, let's fight this new ridiculous villain while I whine about MJ"? LOTR sort of had a story but it didn't come close to justifying the 12 hour running time. And yes, it is lame to sit here and compare trilogies but I'm sitting here at work, avoiding work so this is better than doing work.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    optimus sounds the same to

    by huggerorange

    optimus sounds the same to me but with a more bassy voice..he sounds even better than the cartoon series...In the cartoon he always reminded me of the movie trailer announcer guy.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    The Matrix Sequels are under rated

    by veritasses

    The Matrix series represent just one story arc within a large universe. For that reason, it's almost a requirement to view Reloaded and Revolutions as one movie instead of two and also to have seen/understand/"lived in" all the Matrix add-ons that came out (including the Animatrix and video games) in order to follow and accept the films. I'll admit that the original is by far the "best" but the Wachowskis created a vast, intelligent, rich universe which had great characters and character arcs, strong and interesting themes and many layers of well structured meaning and ideas that require an incredible amount of skill to incorporate into film. I think the Wachowskis are great story tellers and pulled off a very ambitious project rather successfully. ID4 on the other hand, is perhaps the worst successful movie I've ever seen. The acting was horrible, the story silly, the dialog corny, the "science" beyond ridiculous... Though that goes for pretty much all of Emmerich's films.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    only good sequel to the Matrix...

    by RokurGepta

    was "Final Flight of the Osirus"

  • May 31, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    So any doubt that they filmed the lame draft script

    by superninja

    should be erased at this point. What this review tells us is that transformations look good and they really like Shia LaBeouf and other than that they were able to look past the fact that the rest of the movie is ridiculously written, badly acted, and has very little to do with Transformers. Not exactly high selling points for a summer blockbuster if you ask me.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man vs. Matrix...

    by Err

    Again, Spider-Man outdoes the Matrix in critical reviews, fan reception, and box office dollars. Matrix went from sleak and cool to convoluted to just sort of "meh." Spider-Man went from good to great to convoluted. Yeah, I'll take Spider-Man and LOTR over Matrix anyday.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    I thought the final fight

    by huggerorange

    I thought the final fight with agent smith was boring (in revolutions). After seeing smith defeated in the first matrix i didnt feel that he was any threat in the sequels. They either shouldnt have "killed" smith in the first one or they shouldve figured a way to make neo more vunerable in the final battle to make it more interesting.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    I felt like I was 10 years old again.

    by superninja

    Yeah, like when it was called GREMLINS?

  • May 31, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Still no response from Filmcoyote.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I'm starting to side with FrodosBlueBalls = this review ain't legit. It's offers nothing that hasn't been gleamed from that first test screening write-up. The fact that he quoted the same Megatron line and yet CAN'T REMEMBER how many lines Starscream has is a huge tell. He's not a "plant" but he may very well be FOS.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Creativitiy

    by Felstorm

    Surely there has to be someone out there in Hollywoodland who can come up with some original sci-fi/fantasy? We've seen enough derivative shit over the past ten years or so... have'nt we? Its about time LA brought in new blood.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Matrix vs Spiderman trilogies

    by Lamerz

    The Matrix (the first film) was definitely better than any of the Spiderman films, but as trilogies viewed as a whole, Spidey wins. Reloaded and Rev not only didn't live up to the hype, they blew what was one of the most promising starts to a franchise. Just look at the BO returns. If Reloaded and Rev had truly succeeded with the public, I guarantee there would be more Matrix movies in the works today. Spidey might have had two great installments and then a mediocre one, but that wins over GREAT, then mediocre, then kinda bad.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    i definately think the

    by huggerorange

    i definately think the second matrix was better than the 3rd.. the only cool thing i can remember from the third is the cool looking robo suits

  • May 31, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    You know you are a geek when.....

    by jhpiii

    You are on Aintitcoolnews.com longer than you are on myspace.com

  • May 31, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    HATERS! THE MOVIE ....

    by ludmir88

    YOU WANT IT SUCKERS!!!!

  • May 31, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Matrix vs Spidey vs SW PT vs SW OT vs Die Hard vs Indy

    by Lamerz

    Matrix - 1=GREAT/Top 10, 2=mediocre, 3=kinda crappy <P>Spidey - 1=Very Good, 2=great, 3=mediocre <P>Star Wars PT - 1=mediocre, 2=good, 3=great <P>Star Wars OT - 1=great, 2=GREAT/Top 10, 3=very good <P>Die Hard - 1=GREAT/Top 10, 2=meh, 3=very good <P>Indy - 1=GREAT/Top 10, 2=pretty good, 3=good <P>If anyone responds that my taste sucks because I think one thing is better than another, let me just go ahead and give you a pre-emptive "FUCK YOU, it's my opinion" to get the argument started.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    ..

    by huggerorange

    i dont need to know im a geek...i am a fucking geek. Maybe it is you jhpiii who is unsure you are a geek.. YOu are a geek when..Posting messages on aintitcool news about gauging whos a geek and who isnt.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    jhpiii - uhhh, that's easy, because I don't ....

    by Lamerz

    frequent that junk site.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    its pretty much a given that

    by huggerorange

    its pretty much a given that youre a geek as soon as you create a user name for AICN's website...

  • May 31, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Raiders is the only good Indy movie.

    by superninja

    Let's be honest - you give the others a pass because you love the first so much. <p> Star Wars is good, Empire is better, ROTJ you give a pass because you love the characters and the Luke arc is great. <p> POTC - the first film was charming, the second film upped the stakes, 3rd blew it. <p> LOTR, tedious adaptation of great source material. It was miscast and bizarre unecessary story changes were made while things that could've been dropped for a film were left in. You can almost forgive it whenever a handful of characters are on screen; McKellan's Gandalf, for instance. <p> Spider-Man 1 tonally correct, terribly scripted. Miscasting not glaringly obvious yet. Spider-Man 2 coasts by on much improved dialogue and unconvential storytelling. SM3 blows it completely. <p> Matrix 1 a great film. Matrix 2 and 3 blow it, bit off more than they could chew, destroyed all meaning of their original creation. Like watching a mother eat her offspring, ugly, ugly stuff.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Pirates 3 was about anti-corporatism and that

    by superninja

    being a thieving, backstabbing, rapist pirate is better than being a corporate tool.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Star Wars PT does not even deserve to be rated.

    by superninja

    Unless you want to rate movies that would've been better as video games.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Are you Conceptron?

  • May 31, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure what that means, but I'm going to go with

    by superninja

    "no".

  • May 31, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    You know you're a geek when

    by jhpiii

    Befor you orgasm you yell one of the following: (A)STAR WARS - No...I am your Daddy! (B) STAR TREK - KAAAAAAHN!!!! (C)LOTR - Precious!...my precious! (D)Matrix - There is no spoon! There is no spoon!!!!

  • May 31, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Superninja - Good enough. Tnx.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    <P>

  • May 31, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Well, what does it mean, dang it?

    by superninja

    <>

  • May 31, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    maybe not a Plant

    by Rupee88

    He said enough negs to make me think this review is probably legit. I am going to see it anyway, but at least the review is somewhat encouraging and didn't say it was totally sucky.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ha! Sorry, it's the handle of someone on the TFer boards. She tends to say a lot of the same things you do. So, I thought I would ask.<P>Hey, what's the beef between you and robertsilence anyway?

  • May 31, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS CHORDS

    by iwontwin

    all you musicians, here are the chords for TRANSFORMERS Dm, A# Dm, A#,A impress your boyfriends!

  • May 31, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    I don't know MNG. He thinks it's funny, I guess.

    by superninja

    I thought it was funnier when he was calling me gay because he thought I was a guy. Hee hee.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Jokes was on him then, eh?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    :^)

  • May 31, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Besides, I barely have time for the high calling

    by superninja

    that is AICN poster.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    *THROWS an egg at someone*

    by RokurGepta

    "The yokes on you"

  • May 31, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    How 'bout telling us something new!

    by alienindisguise

    what a crappy review

  • May 31, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    If that is the robertsilence way of making nice

    by superninja

    then I'll take it. Hahah.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Just checking.

    by superninja

    Good thing you haven't gone soft or anything.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    so superninja what state do

    by huggerorange

    so superninja what state do you live in?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    shux

    by RokurGepta

    I saw pick of destiny 3 times, the first day I watched it. I only wish it had been in Theaters, instead of at home. <p> Damn it I wanna watch Day Watch right now, heck, I'd be happy if I knew when it was coming to theaters somewhere near me. <p> Whenever someone online says there a girl, since there is no real way of knowing if he/she/it is telling the truth, I always think of the worst thing that person could possibly be, and that thing is a one legged taiwanese transvestite prostitute... <p> just my not so humble opinion <p> The movie I'm currently looking forward to more than any other is Hostel: Part II, Yes I like scary gory movies, but I also love that it takes place partially in my favorite country in the world... *sigh* <p> HUGS TO EVERYBODY

  • May 31, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Bloodrayne is on SciFi.

    by superninja

    I never saw it, but did Michelle Rodgriguez just have a faux British accent and this had Ben Kingsley in it?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    watch out superninja

    by RokurGepta

    now that the cat is out of the bag, you're gonna have tons of fat nerds hitting on you.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Even that would be better than Ben Kingsley's

    by superninja

    bad weave in Bloodsrayne.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Loken is a hoss.

    by superninja

    Who would think she could make Michelle Rodgriguez look so attractive?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    you fucking got that

    by huggerorange

    you fucking got that right..but im not fat and im not a trekkie or a star wars nerd... i dont like either one much

  • May 31, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Nah, people don't hit on me around here. I am too

    by superninja

    opinionated. And also rude.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    kristanna loken is fucking

    by huggerorange

    kristanna loken is fucking hot but i heard shes a lesbian now

  • May 31, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST

    it kinda kills me that she

    by huggerorange

    it kinda kills me that she doesnt like the cock..and michelle rodriguez is gett hotter to me for some reason but she looks like shit next to kristanna

  • May 31, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    I don't think either one is that hot. They're not very

    by superninja

    made up in this movie, either, which is kind of interesting. I mean, who ever heard of making a vampire movie and not bringing the hotness? I was thinking when Rodriguez does the accent she seems way more girly, she should do the fake Brit accent all the time. Loken could easily be She-Hulk, but she's kind of boring as an actress.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    who the fuck is the film

    by huggerorange

    who the fuck is the film coyote and why are we supposed to know who he is?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Haha! Billy Zane with a wig? What doesn't this

    by superninja

    movie have!?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Kristinna Loken

    by RokurGepta

    is gonna get typecast as an actress that only does sci-fi... Her newest failure, at least in my opinion it's a failure, is Painkiller Jane, I personally find it painful to watch, it's booring, and slow, and the acting sux donkyballz <p> Hey i think Michelle Rodriguez is slightly cute <p> i still havn't seen bloodrayne, i havn't wanted to speend money to rent it, and whenever it's on tv, i always find out about halfway through, and I'm one of those people that can't watch a movie unless I watch it from the beginning <p> and there is nothing wrong with lesbians, as long as they aren't ugly.... J/K

  • May 31, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    I think filmcoyote was on a previous thread and

    by superninja

    saying he saw the film and was sending a review in to AICN and now he won't respond to the comments leading people to believe he is a fake. I don't think he is a regular reviewer for AICN. All he would have to do is read the draft script and see the trailers to cobble this review together. However, the script reads as boring as his review sounds so it could be accurate as well.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    for the last 3 days

    by RokurGepta

    I've had a craving for Ice Pirates, I'm gonna have to order it from Amazon or somewhere. I'm in one of my 80's nostalgic mindsets

  • May 31, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    If I get Banned again...

    by tehgreekhammer

    I swear to god my next screen name is going to be Plantimus Prime. <p> that was awesome!

  • May 31, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    i dunno lokken is very

    by huggerorange

    i dunno lokken is very bonable to me but shes a lil too tall.. I suppose her blandness is why she was the terminatrix but her bare ass looked nice.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Rodriguez can be pretty but she always plays

    by superninja

    annoying ball-buster characters. Also, Madsen in this movie - who would put him in a period film - ever? He is the worst dialogue reader.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    bloodrayne isnt good..i

    by huggerorange

    bloodrayne isnt good..i rented it and saw half of it..i couldnt stand to finish it

  • May 31, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Loken looks like she could model but she has

    by superninja

    no screen presence. Zippo.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    its a total Blade ripoff to

    by huggerorange

    its a total Blade ripoff to me..

  • May 31, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Madsen is cool to me only as

    by huggerorange

    Madsen is cool to me only as the typical tough dude or gangster that he mostly plays.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    rachel mcadams should do

    by huggerorange

    rachel mcadams should do porn

  • May 31, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Michael Madsen right?

    by RokurGepta

    he was good in Resivour Dogs, i think he's supposed to be in Sin City 2, and Inglorious Bastards.... I'm kinda looking forward to both of those

  • May 31, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Well I dont see that he

    by huggerorange

    Well I dont see that he threw in any details that we dont already know about..this story claims to have spoilers but Ive heard it all b4.The dude that sent a review from the first test screening seemed more legit.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    This movie has an underwater girlfight.

    by superninja

    Man, this Uwe Boll character doesn't leave anything out.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    oh my god

    by RokurGepta

    Rachel McAdams is like my secret crush. oh my god, she is the perfect woman....

  • May 31, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    he was in the first sin city

    by huggerorange

    he was in the first sin city but his role kinda sucked..mickey rourke kinda blew everyone away -performance wise- in that. Mickey rourke is another actor that i think is underused in hollywood.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Uwe Boll

    by RokurGepta

    I heard something about him on some sort of life long quest searching for his lost one true love or some shite like that....

  • May 31, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke

    by RokurGepta

    I just watched Domino today, and liked it....

  • May 31, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Rachel mcadams showed her

    by huggerorange

    Rachel mcadams showed her tits in this canadian movie, theyre kinda small but i could care less.,, the rest of her body is perfect, and her face--well -- we all know.. i should stop b4 i blow a load.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    M. Rourke either always gets

    by huggerorange

    M. Rourke either always gets all of the bad ass lines or ad libs them himself, or just sounds bad ass saying anything.. i dunno his lines are just always fucking cool-he never fails. Hes even a bad ass in the smallest roles like in the thomas jane movie 'Thursday'.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Madsen is only good at playing scumbags.

    by superninja

    Same with Rourke. May be a big-hearted scumbag, but a scumbag nonetheless.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    '

    by huggerorange

    fuck it, if theyre good and interesting at playing anything it doesnt matter..to me any actor has their limits in what characters theyre more believable in..even deniro who could play almost anything couldnt play everything

  • May 31, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    big-hearted scumbag

    by RokurGepta

    lolz

  • May 31, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Summer movies sequels not so hot

    by eman1111

    Going to a movie is all about expectation and having some fucking common sense. So going into Transformers what is your expectation? Do you expect it to be some sort of academy award winning movie or a great action flick. Transformers was a fun cartoon, but seriously you are not going to get some sort of incredible depth in a Transformer movie. I have really enjoyed the most recent trailer and it looks to be giving me exactly what I want a lot of fun action and the special effects look fantastic. By the way a popcorn movie is not a bad thing if that is what you want. As far as trilogies go LOTR rules without a doubt. The first Matrix was amazing but the next two show you that just because you have more money to play doesn't mean you can make a better film as they both fell far short of the first Matrix. The same can be said for Pirates as the first one was excellent, just the right mixture of fun, fantasy and mayhem. World's End didn't move me at all and while I enjoyed some of the film overall it was very disappointing.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    as far as range --Gary

    by huggerorange

    as far as range --Gary oldman seems to be able to play the largest variety of characters, and believably so. But he kind of disappeared for too long...now he comes out in harry potter movies..he needs a comeback

  • May 31, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Well, Ewe Boll made Ben Kingsley say

    by superninja

    "Ungrateful bitch" while wearing a weave so he must have magic powers or something.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    There are some real actors out there.

    by superninja

    Most of them are just playing themselves.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I...

    by RokurGepta

    play myself all the time.... <p> *smirks*

  • May 31, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    ....

    by RokurGepta

    I'm not an actor... but I play one on tv... <p> J/K

  • May 31, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Did You know that...

    by tehgreekhammer

    Shia Labouf kills Megatron? <p> How AWESOME IS THAT??? <P> GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS < TINY FUCKING JEWISH ACTOR!!!!

  • May 31, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    do we really need to get

    by huggerorange

    do we really need to get into the whole Tf expectations and how much depth we should expect from it? certainly its possible for it to have depth.. but the subject matter isnt the problem..its the producers that have to stick their cock in everything.Itd be fucking great if one day an action/scifi movie could once again have balls and a smart script. Producers seem to have the need to dumb a movie up enough so that the majority will eat it up and buy it.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    The Michael Bay "stuff" quote...

    by jabbathegriffin

    Where was that taken from? That is just classic.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    so tf will be showing on jul

    by huggerorange

    so tf will be showing on jul 3rd instead of the 4th..thats cool itll give us a chance to see die hard4 with leess teeny boppers fucking up the movie for us

  • May 31, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    damn it

    by RokurGepta

    I just listened to some emo, and now I'm effing depressed

  • May 31, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    predaking was a lame ass

    by huggerorange

    predaking was a lame ass super transformer....devastator was the only cool combiner/megarobot

  • May 31, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    FOR THE ROYALTY!

    by dead youngling

    why isn't Inferno in this flick? we need someone calling Megatron a "Queen" the whole time!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Has anyone answered the most important question?

    by RainJacket

    Is Tracks in this thing or what? Fucking flying Corvette with a Harvard accent who was best friends with a breakdancing street punk. Best character on the damn show. Wasn't in the 1986 movie, which still remains the greatest cartoon adaptation of a toy line/afternoon kids show of all time. Ironhide being brutally executed on screen changed me at the tender age of seven. I figure Tracks will be nowhere to be seen. He should be.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    ironhide was lame in the Tf

    by huggerorange

    ironhide was lame in the Tf movie

  • May 31, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Inferno might be in it....

    by RevSick

    ...but you wouldn't recognize him even if he was.

  • June 1, 2007, midnight CST

    Yeah, it killed me when Ironhide was aced. The sinking

    by superninja

    feeling hit me that no one was safe. I wanted to kill the Decepticons myself, and then Prime plowed through them and I felt a sense of justice, only to have it smashed when Prime sacrified his life for Hot Rod of all things. That's the kind of guy Prime is, but I think I'd try to talk him down. Let Hot Rod take one for the team, he was a terrible leader anyway.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Still think that those first 20 or so minutes of the

    by superninja

    movie are well executed. After that who cares? Did we need Wheelie? No.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded car chase

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    = a big letdown. One lame jump, a lame turn, one good flip, a very lame one after that, then nothing, then the cool agent scene and then a few mildly entertaining crashes. I was very disappointed back then.<p>Didn't Silver talk about 300 crashed cars or something like that? Then why do I see only 7 or 8 on screen.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Oh, okay.

    by FuzzyWhisper

    So the reviewer was bored by 300 and trashes POTC3 for being "dull"? Fucking whatever. It's safe to say I can ignore his opinion. At least until he gets some taste. <BR><BR> I'll still see the movie, but I'm not expecting much.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Shoji Kawamori, we need you!

    by MrDandy

    Kawamori's designs would have been sooo much better. Look at what the man's done with Macross, Armored Core, Gunhed, Eureka 7, and let's not forget, many of the original TFs. He could have given them complexity AND elegance.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST

    What really happened...

    by DrPeterVenkman

    As the plant was talking to the studio, his cell phone was breaking up, so when they said "...make sure you use the term "Giant Fucking Robots", he actually heard "Giant Fuck-Off Robots." <p> That, or he's mildly retarded.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    I don't get all the sequel hate this year

    by Captain Mal

    Spider-Man 3 had loads of problems, and was easily the weakest of the three films, but it didn't make me want to vomit in my mouth or make feces-infused metaphors about it. It was a fucking Spider-Man movie, yo. I don't know how much nine bucks is worth to everyone else, but to me it's just about perfect for a few hours in a comfortable seat watching a spectacle of light and sound.<p> Pirates 3 was fine as well. Perhaps it's because I found the first installment only mildly diverting and the second installment slightly more so, but number 3 is easily the equal of the others in the franchise. It's the same goofy, corny thing, so what's all the fuss? <p> Perhaps these comments have no place in a Transformers talkback, but I'm genuinely bewildered why I can't read a single talkback without the article and/or talkbackers mentioning how much this summer's sequels suck. I don't getch'all.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Hey Photoboy

    by Captain Mal

    Guess what: They DID change Batman's costume for the movie, and they even changed his origin story! The horrors! Guess what else: nobody except a few nerds down at the Dragon's Lair Comic Shop gave a shit, and the movie ruled.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Saw POTC 3 tonight. What a fucking turd that was.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    I liked the 2nd one. It was fun. This one was way more convoluted and seemed like it was trying too hard to be something it could not actually be. It was boring and pretentious. I think Transformers is going to blow it out of the water. <BR> <BR? They also showed the new Harry Potter trailer and I've not been of a fan of any of those movies to date but this new one looks great and having not read any of the books it looks like the series takes a nice dark serious tone as Harry gets older. If anything I am interested in checking out the books now as a result.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    tammy faye baker

    by iwontwin

    she is bone thin,62 lbs. just a reminder, cancer is a bitch. Why can't the transformers come to cure cancer?

  • June 1, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Good review - easy to sum up

    by Trader Groucho 2

    Unless you're a total Transformers geek, don't see this movie.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Are Dinobots Retards?

    by iwontwin

    I want some grimlock in these films!

  • June 1, 2007, 2:42 a.m. CST

    All gone to bed?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Seems so.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Am I the only one who doesn't want to feel 10 again?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    What's the appeal? I can see wanting to feel 14, discovering booze and boobs and whatnot all over again, but what the hell is so good about being 10? I didn't even like any good music when I was 10. I had a Disney album or something, but no Led Zeppelin or Jimi Hendrix. Not even any Bob Dylan!<p>Anyway, I can't escape the feeling that this Transformers business is this year's Godzilla. I get that same feeling about it. Adaptation of old material, director with reputation for shallow blockbuster stuff, nice looking effects, controversial redesign, etc. It's all very Godzilla, but with that little Shia fellow instead of Matthew Broderick. Will there be a scene in this one where Shia gets covered in robot phlegm?

  • June 1, 2007, 2:45 a.m. CST

    BEST FIGHTING ROBOTS MOVIE EVER!!!

    by lost.rules

    And the rest on that list is:

  • June 1, 2007, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Some of us are just starting work, Motoko Kusanagi

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I am a dirty English slacker!

  • June 1, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Wussup fellow Haterz

    by Phategod1

    Recap on events When I read the part about Prime Hiding behind a house the 1st thing that ran through my mind was "robots in fucking disguise" why the hell is he hiding behind a house.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Shove that one up yer ass TINO & FUCK U MBAY wankers

    by bongo123

    yet another review saying the movie is a blast and yet more cry baby wankers moaning over every fucking thing under the sun... as more of these flood in you lot can stay the fuck in your basements and play with your G1 toys ya cunts! the rest of the world will be enjoying an original summer pipcorn flick while you fucks wank off to that lame ass cartoon movie and its cockrock soundtrack you cretins...

  • June 1, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST

    I actually found godzilla to be a blast along with ID4

    by bongo123

    why does every fucking movie under the sun have to be a fucking oscar winner, cant we get the occasional shallow story, hollow acting and kick ass special effects event movie? i can see this movie making a shit load and i can see mbay laughing his socks of over all the tossers in here that have done nothing but spout hatred over a fucking movie theyve never seen...

  • June 1, 2007, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Nice Choice Yack

    by Phategod1

    Kind of Ballerific but I dig it. I see AINTITSHOT aka SOME REDICULOUS PLAY ON MY SCREENNAME AND OCCUPATION aka Don Murphy has not shown up I wonder because this review is not glowing from Lowest common denominator. I see Superninja's on going fued With Robertsilence is at a uneasy truce and that she doesn't like the LOTR trilogy. But when it comes to TF she holds the same existential beliefs I do and as a fellow Hater I have her back. She doesn't get hit on because most newbs thinks shes a dude and I get by on the "Rosie O Donnell thing" j/k. All kidding aside Madsen has turned into a joke and Uwe Boll is the anitchrist.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:30 a.m. CST

    I gotta say it...

    by BigBlackDude

    DIZZAMN YOU MIKE BIZZLE!

  • June 1, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    428th Ha!

    by BigBlackDude

    428th I did it!

  • June 1, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    SPOILERS, Vern, Mr Nice Gaius, oh and 300

    by filmcoyote

    It's now like two in the morning and insomnia's in full swing so i'm back. Vern - actually yes Independence Day is a good comparison. The feel, the acting, the fun, the silliness, the thin-plot. A film i enjoyed on the level of entertainment it was meant but i would not consider a really good film. My best film of last year was Letters From Iwo Jimaider Dog Day Afternoon the best film ever made. I've taken to trying to just sit back and enjoy the ride on films like this because otherwise i'd always be disappointed and i don't want to be denied the chance to love brainless films rather than just the artier stuff which inevitably disappoints me less as i get older. But you know what I did enjoy ID4, I did enjoy Bad Boys, I did enjoy The Mummy but i haven't liked a Bay film since The Rock until this one, and i haven't enjoyed a summer blockbuster this year so far nor any i can recall last year so i'll take the best i can get. Mr Nice Gaius i saw this on a test screening back in late April. I didn't bother to write a review because I can usually only be bothered if i like something and on this site what's the point. That said the last review i srnt in in early April was for Spider-Man 3 which i thought was fine but disappointing and they didn't use it. I wrote this this time because two guys in a talkback said elaborate so I did. Obviously not enough so, SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - no Ratchet does virtually nothing, i don't think he has a single line but he is involved (as they all are) in the final battle which sees the Autobots come off much better than the Decepticons who are largely destroyed in the battle (Starscream is okay) and buried at sea. Jazz is killed though which i was disappointed in because they barely used him and I had the Porsche 911 toy of Jazz as a kid and none of my friends did so it was my pride and joy (that and Wreckgar!) Megatron is only in it a bit because ala The Thing (or reminiscent of a story I remember in the cartoon involving Starfire) he's been trapped in the Arctic frozen and the military have found him and kept him on ice (kind of like the Area 51 stuff in ID4). The tacked on plot revolves around the robots having to find the antique glasses of Shia's grandfather because they hold the key to discovering the power source they seek (Energon cube type of thing but they don't call it that). And on 300 yes i did say boring and i stick by it: it's just endless CG battles one after the other, there's no sense of peril or excitement because of the style. Its repetitive and dull and therefore, yes, boring. Don't get the love of that film at all. And equally the liking of so wooden she makes Knightley look okay Lena Headey. Maybe it would have been better if i'd had lower expectations but after the brilliant Sin City (which use the style to great effect) and the fun Dawn of the Dead I was hoping for a fun ride, what i got was a turgid uber-effect with no life and no soul.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST

    An Odd Review...

    by Pawprint

    Those with an irrational hatred of this film will use it to prove their cause, and those who are looking forward to it will use it to prove theirs. Me? Just confirms what I expected - this will be a big, fun summer spectacle of a film; chewing gum for the eyes, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm not pretentious enough to pretend this sort of thing is below me - film after all, is all about entertainment. If I want high-brow and meaningful, I'll go and watch some black and white, subtitled french art film about people who sit in the same room all day chain-smoking cigarettes and pondering their existence. But I don't though; so I'll be watching TF instead.

  • June 1, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    THIS IS IT!

    by jarjarmessiah

    The biggest movie of the summer. It's not sequel. It's not remake. Therefore, it will dominate.

  • June 1, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Yo Finky

    by just pillow talk

    The review sure doesn't seem cheadlistic, that's for sure. I think all proceeds should go to FTB. It's the least Bay can do...

  • June 1, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    hmmm...it seems I used one too may sures

    by just pillow talk

    that's for sure. And we'll see what Harry Potter does to this jarjarmessiah...

  • June 1, 2007, 7:22 a.m. CST

    superninja

    by Colonel Activity

    fucks carrots. Also, Shia fucks cats.

  • June 1, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Colonel

    by Abominable Snowcone

    It must be tough to fuck a carrot. Are you sure the carrot doesn't fuck him instead?

  • June 1, 2007, 8 a.m. CST

    Matrix 2 & 3

    by Dr. Frankenstein

    Anyone think that when they shoot these back to back sequels as 2 halves of the same movie they just come out as bloated? I'm sure that if someone edited those two films down to one 2 1/2 hour movie it could have held it's head up high with the original matrix.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Huggerorange

    by Abominable Snowcone

    If Kristanna Loken really is a lesbian now, her hotness just went up a bunch of more points in my book, and she was already way up there. There's something very hot about a hot chick who likes seafood the way you do, yet thinks she wouldn't be interested in your hot beef injection. I'll show her my "Jose Barrera."

  • June 1, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    re: superninja

    by Colonel Activity

    is a female.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    filmcoyote

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I'm sorry to say that there is nothing "spoilerish" contained in your post. Anyone who has followed the movie's production or read the leaked draft script (or even saw the trailers) could have listed the same items and plot points. Everyone who comes to AICN knew about the test screening in April, too.<P>It's not really a big deal, but I think we were looking for more specifics...such as those I posed to you in my previous post.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Dr Frankie

    by filmcoyote

    I reckon one 2 and a half hour Pirates sequel could have been made well out of the five hour plus two sequels we got and been on a par with POTC1. Not convinced anything was salvagable from the Matrix sequels

  • June 1, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    TomBodet

    by lost.rules

    AHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm glad you read. FAG!!!!

  • June 1, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Plantilicious

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I love it when these chaps give a little but long bio of themselves that "will go somewhere"! I also love the subtle trashing of all previous 07 summer movies. Don't worry when HP5 comes out, I am sure that you will say how these robots had no magic....

  • June 1, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Advance word on HP5

    by Colonel Activity

    Too many muggles, not enough Quidditch.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    FilmCoyote

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Elaborate on Prime's sword-arm-weapon. He uses it during the final battle, right? How? How long does he use it? Who does he use it on? Does Megatron transform ever? Or just maintain robot form for his entire, albeit short screen time? Elaborate on who destroys a deceptacon (pick any, say Bonecrusher or Barricade) and how? <P> Just plaster your subject line with a spoiler alert. I admit I am with MNG regarding that you still haven't told us anything we don't already know. You don't need to prove yourself, but it would be the right thing to do since your review was lacking. Not a slight on you, I just found your review bland. <P>Hope to hear from you.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Howdy, sir.<P>Yeah, I'm highly suspicious of filmcoyote's review. Everything contained within that and his subsequent posts basically piggy-backs that one test-screening review from last month. Some of it is verbatim and, therefore, casts a shadow on its authenticity. A few more specifics would definitely help his cred.<P>Hope all is well on your end. Cheers.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    megatron says youre a dead fuck

    by huggerorange

    You can see megatron transform twice in the trailer...im sure he does in the movie more than once... YOu see him flying over scorponok in the desert sequence looking like hes about to transform ..and a second time when hes mopping Jazz up with his talons hes shown transforming more clearly.. I also dont believe megatron only has 20 min of screentime..even if he is frozen for some part of the movie..I know hes in the opening of the movie when hes shown with witwicky senior and in the desert sequence and obviously frozen in the hangar as seen in the trailer..and the finale somewhere fucking up all kinds of autobots..

  • June 1, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    And to you good sir. Nice to hear from you. All is good here. Did you read my pointless post on another TB about the new scotch? Pointless, but the the wife and I can enjoy a single malt together finally. <P> Be well. I still look forward to you musings once this film hits.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Megatron's not in the desert sequence

    by filmcoyote

    Maybe SPOILERS but it seems a lot has been seen before. Don't know which shot in the trailer you're talking about huggerorange but he ain't there, but yes he does transform both at the dam-army base (the Area 51 equivalent) and in the big LA battle. He becomes a plane but not a human plane because he never scans anything so he's kind of a futuristic plane. Pretty sure we never see Barricade demise if has one although BUmblebee blasts the crap out of one of them with his arm cannon (big blue blasts shoot out from where his hand should be) so maybe that was him. Had to be either him or Bonecrusher. The helicopter Decepticon gets trashed by Josh Duhamel's army guy who slides between his legs and blows him up with some kind of bomb.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Michael bay has commented on

    by huggerorange

    Michael bay has commented on his website about this review saying:..If he did in fact see the picture, he saw a very early cut. I can tell because of the music he mentions - those were 3 months ago. So much changes in these months those are the months when it becomes a real movie...So this review very well maybe B.S.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by tile_mcgillus

    It is odd that both reviews just fluff over all these things or ignore them. You would assume the characters deaths would be important. I am not a plant cryer and all that but why have both reviews posted so far been so vague. And also dismissive of basic film criticism, as if those simple but very important things don't matter at all. They seem to be asking fans to lower any and all expectations of this film. <p>It is like when you show someone something you created and you preface your presentation with a litany of excuses of why they shouldn't judge what they see as the final product. It seems both reviews attempt the same feat but with a finished product. Am I off base to see that as either fishy or extremely derogatory on the film itself. If I am told to leave my brain at the door to see a film I simply just don't see the film and save myself the bother. This seems to be that way. <p>Can someone post review that actually believes in the film...then we can have a discussion on the merits of the film and not the BANG BANG...which I have no doubt is astounding. It is ILM for pete's sake!

  • June 1, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    ahhh The filmcoyote speaks!!

    by huggerorange

    ahhh The filmcoyote speaks!!

  • June 1, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    filmcoyote

    by tile_mcgillus

    So you could not tell the decepticons apart? Or the confusion of all that was going on left you in doubt of who was alive or dead?

  • June 1, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    filmcoyote tell us SOMETHING

    by huggerorange

    filmcoyote tell us SOMETHING we dont see in any trailer!!! and havent read in another review somewhere.. for example... what does ratchet do in this whole movie?

  • June 1, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    well...we know theyve had

    by huggerorange

    well...we know theyve had test screenings for sure, as michael bay himself has said it on his website.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    the desert scene where

    by huggerorange

    the desert scene where megatron is shown in the trailer is where scorponok is about to appear and a spacecraft is shown flying overhead..the shape of it is clearly megatron in spaceship mode. unless all of the decepticons look very similar in spaceship mode. whattever who cares.. i wont be seeing this till julyish anyway...

  • June 1, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yes, I believe I saw your other post. Was it The Balvenie that your wife enjoys?

  • June 1, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Girls and seafood

    by 9banned0.5furious

    can be very sexy indeed. Now girls and Megatron or Waxalot or Powertoolspin whoknows. Hmm. We`ll have to wait and see I guess.<p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkADu4zhaYI

  • June 1, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Tile, Orange and (who can tell anymore) maybe SPOILERS

    by filmcoyote

    Tile - Not at the end really it's very typical quick cut Bay and the SFX weren't 100% finished. I don't recall an Optimus arm sword either though. HUggerorange - I don't recall the dam base, Josh Duhamel blowing up the helicopter, Optimus hiding behind the house, the irritating little robot etc being in any trailer and i haven't read other reviews so ! Ratchet literally does nothing. He lands in fire ball mode and assumes the shape of a rescue vehicle at a traffic accident (presumably causes by his fire ball landing though this is not gone into). He cruises along the freeway and is in the scenes as Shia's house but only Prime and Bumblebee get any play in these scenes. The Bonecrusher fight scene with Prime is certainly set up in the trailers. Ooh, (Maybe SPOILERs) is it known that Bumblebee gets captured while saving Shia on the freeway, havent seen that in trailers. Turturro and his team capture him and freeze him to take him to the area 51 place. Prime sees this happen but hides under the freeway because he won't hurt humans and knows at that moment he can't save Bumblebee and avoid conflict. If that's not new i'm giving up trying to remember anything else. The Autobots that aren't BUmblebee and Prime get very little play, except the hummer (Ironhide? forget the name) that gets a copy of bits in the final battle and a moment where he wants to fight the humans and Prime explains to him why they mustn't, the whole "i've seen something in them" stuff. He also gets a "comedy" moment where he wants to kill a dog that pisses on him but I'm sure that was in a trailer because I knew about that scene before I saw the movie.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    As Long as optimus

    by dramirezs23

    As long as Optimus doesn't transform into a gorilla I'm good, also, my balls itch.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    filmcoyote

    by tile_mcgillus

    Man. Thanks. I can say however, that none of those spoilers sound very cool...or good. Not your fault, just saying. You also seem a little less enthused by the movie now. Probably just because you are getting irratated with everyone questioning you.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    irritated

    by tile_mcgillus

    English is my 14th language...

  • June 1, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I HAVE DIARRHEA...over this movie

    by dead youngling

    my jedi skills finally were able to release me from my hold on my "why isn't this true G1?" attitude and now I'm able to truly be excited for the flick. I say better this than nothing, and I'm a huge G1 fan. if it works out $ wise, than we have a shot at a better sequel. i feel relieved now...

  • June 1, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    So in essence...

    by RevSick

    this is a real shitty movie, the reviewer is hard pressed to remember anything from it, can't tell the decepticons apart, yet still gives it a positive review, what a joke.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    RevSick

    by tile_mcgillus

    Does seem that way doesn't it. I am still asking for a review of the film based on actual film critic and not "BANG BANG"...but it seems reviewing this movie without a slight or preconcieved notion of good fun or unoriginal dreck is impossible.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    LAMERZ WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK??

    by ludmir88

    FUCK YOU BIG TIME!!!!!

  • June 1, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    this is an old screening

    by Bouncy X

    didnt they say they saw this like 2 months ago? its no wonder they cant remember everything...i mean i just saw spiderman 3 about 3 weeks ago and i liked it a lot and hell if i could remember everything, especially stuff not in trailers....besides, you should never look to someone else's opinion...just because someone else likes or dislikes something, doesnt mean you'll feel the same. though knowing how most of the people here dont understand that concept, it was pointless to say. lol

  • June 1, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Dont much care who directs it...

    by Semen Stains

    Looks like its gonna be a big fuckin blast to me and a whole lot of fun.The fact this is being made at all is good enough for me and there will definatly be sequels so its all good.Now make me an Astroboy live action movie dammit.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    astroboy is on the way

    by Bouncy X

    they're already doin it live action...astroboy himself will be CGI though but yeah

  • June 1, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    RevSick & tile_mcgillus

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Or, it could be that this guy has not really seen this movie. He has stated nothing outside the draft script (which you all have apparently read) and that one other test-screening review. The fact that he can't remember one specific thing beyond what has already been disclosed on the internet should be the first clue.<P>He is pulling our collective leg.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    And even if that's not the case...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...he also stated in the other TFer TB that "it rocked" and that it was the best of the summer films (despite it being unfinished).<P>He's made this somewhat confusing...

  • June 1, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    don't care who directs it?

    by just pillow talk

    When one has confidence in the director, one feels better about a movie. Take for instance the Dark Knight..Nolan has a strong track record, hence there is less chance of being letdown. Now, that doesn't always hold true of course (Spidey 3 being a recent example), but it gives you a good idea what to expect from that movie. And the sequels are a definite?

  • June 1, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    ASTRO

    by Semen Stains

    Yah id rather someone i admire to direct it but im still stoked that its gettin made at all.I just want formers whaling on each other and that enough for me i never would ask for something more than that from a transformer movie

  • June 1, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    ASTRO!

    by Semen Stains

    Yah id rather someone i admire to direct it but im still stoked that its gettin made at all.I just want formers whaling on each other and that enough for me i never would ask for something more than that from a transformer movie.Do you know who is making the Astro movie,is it being made in Japan or the states?

  • June 1, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    well the good news is that

    by huggerorange

    well the good news is that film coyote saw the movie about 3months ago and alot of things have changed or were not finalized since then. the score not being finished alone is a big deal..the soundtrack to a movie can make or break the movie for me. not to mention the unfinished special effects, voiceovers etc..

  • June 1, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    cool beans

    by Semen Stains

    Just IMDB´d it,2009 apparently.Good to hear.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta - Check Blockbuster for Ice Pirates

    by finky089

    I had the very same hankerin' about 6 months ago and was amazed to find it in one of my local Blockbusters (only one of the four near me had it, though. And, yeah, I actually went to all of them to look for it.)

  • June 1, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Ice Pirates

    by Semen Stains

    Ice Pirates.I caught that movie a while back on TV.Fuckin hilarious stuff dunno how ive lived oblivious to its existense for so long.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    what up, pillow

    by finky089

    agreed on films having a strong director. Of course when you get a director who's had good stuff, but lately been a letdown coughSpielbergcough it stops hedging my expectations. <p> Wes Anderson for example. I really enjoyed Bottle Rocket and Rushmore. Royal Tannenbaums was good, but not great. Life Aquatic sort of a let down. So my expectations for his next film will be lower in hopes of avoiding a "letdown". I sorta went off on a tangent there, didn't I?

  • June 1, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Old Pulteney. 12 year. Single Malt. mmmm mmmmmm good.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I want to rent Twilight so i

    by huggerorange

    I want to rent Twilight so i can take a look at reese witherspoons tits

  • June 1, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Tile_McGillus

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    "If I am told to leave my brain at the door to see a film I simply just don't see the film and save myself the bother." <P>I am exactly the same.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    MB

    by huggerorange

    michael bay should pick 10 of the whiniest bitches in here and 10 not so whiny bitches for a screening of transformers and have each one write a review..im tired of all these pseudo-half ass reviews.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    mtron

    by huggerorange

    nah i fuckin love Megatrons design in this new movie the evil grin and teeth look killer.. the cartoon version was a bit dumb and didnt make any sense..

  • June 1, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    On he subject of Fogyness

    by smackfu

    I don't think that's really the issue, because even as a little kid in the 80's me and most of my friends realized that Superman 3 and 4 were steaming piles of shit compared to the first two. Superman 4 especially, I recall that I didn't even bother seeing it in the theatre because it looked so shitty, and I was freaky for Superman back then. So don't worry if you can't suspend your disbelief for Spiderman, Pirates and Shrek 3. It's simply the foggy memory of being a fogy that makes you forget that even as a kid you knew when you were being fed a steaming plate of shit.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Everytime I look into a monitor Prime my circuts sizzle

    by GornPirate

    When are we going to start busting Deceptichops?

  • June 1, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    finky - I didn't see Life Aquatic..

    by just pillow talk

    but Wes is a good example. With Bay though, was there ever a high point? Zing!

  • June 1, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Hey, Filmcoyote

    by Breadocide

    Keira Knightley is a gem, fucko.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Transformer parodies on YouTube

    by finky089

    You guys ever see this guy's stuff? pretty damn funny <p> http://tinyurl.com/24jj6g

  • June 1, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Im a Bayformers hater....

    by Dr.Opticus

    I'll talk about it all day on AICN cause Im a stellar douche!

  • June 1, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Where's Ratchet?

    by finky089

    Another of DrSmoov's parodies. http://tinyurl.com/n2974 <p> Blur = Shitpiece <p> Finally Prime admits that fuckin Wheelie sucks.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Oops, I meant Kup, not Blur

    by finky089

    The Shockwave's Burden clip is also good for some laughs.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Kurz, you and I are on the same side here, but

    by finky089

    does it really even matter whether or not filmcoyote's review is real or BS? If it's real, he's basically confirmed all the shitty stuff we've seen/heard/suspected so far about this film. And if it's BS then he's reinforcing those same shitty factors instead of giving the film any positive buzz. <p> I read the script and there's some basic details that are askew in his review, but the bootm line is that even if he's just doing this to have his few minutes inthe limelight, he ain't helping Bay's cause. <p> Although I am sure ganymede2010 would disagree with me there since he thinks this is the Second Coming.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    What could have been...

    by Thylacine

    Imagine that there's never been a Batman movie except for the Adam West version. Sure some people have a soft spot for it- but still, it wasn't "the Batman movie." Enter Steven Speilberg- who says, "I think Batman's a great idea for a movie. I really see it as a story about Robin's search for a father." Bat-fans are both overjoyed, and confused. Speilberg wants to help make a movie about Batman, but why is he talking about Robin and his father? Things get stranger. Director Michael Bay is hired. At first he shows disdain for the material- calling it a "silly comic book film." But after thinking over the concept he believes he can rework it into something he'll enjoy directing. When the first images of Batman get leaked- fans aren't sure what to make of him. It appears that Batman has no cape, or ears, or anything Bat-like about him, save the symbol on his chest. When questioned, Michael Bay explains that he wanted to make Batman "more real" by removing the silly looking elements and making him a black suited Ninja. He justifies his actions by reminding people that everyone loves "mother-fucking ninjas blowing up shit." Further confusion is added to the mix when an early draft of the script leaks. In the script there is little to no mention of Batman's parents, the joker is Bruce Wayne's brother, and the majority of the story revolves around Robin trying solve a mystery involving his grandfather's mysterious pair of glasses. To add insult to injury, it appears that Robin kills the Joker- who appears for roughly twenty minutes and has four or five lines. Images of the joker leak. Sure, he's purple... all purple. He also looks a lot like venom. In fact, he looks more like venom than the Joker. He's smiling... but his mouth is full of sharp teeth, and he's all purple, and veiny, and has insect, claw, hand, things... Shia Lebouf is cast as Robin. No one seems to know him as an actor, but Speilberg likes him, and assures the fans he'll bring the the emotion needed to the movie. More images are leaked to the net. This time we get to see other characters filtered through Bay's vision. Most of them are Ninjas. Most of them are blowing shit up. You have a hard time telling commissioner Gordon apart from Alfred, because they're both dressed up in black with lots of machine guns hanging off them. Aside from Megatron, there are at least six more villains in the film- but they all look like monster insects. That's not too bad, since most of them are made up for the movie- however the penguin looks to be eight feet tall and carries around a bazooka, but no top hat. Two-face doesn't seem to have a face at all and his origin as Harvey Dent seems non existent. Fan reaction turns from sour to angry. In an attempt to smooth things over, Adam West is cast as Batman. While this pleases some fans, others are even further frustrated by West's inclusion. A teaser trailer is released. It shows an unnamed villain attacking a mailbox in Metropolis. No one understands why. A second, "real trailer" is released. Fan reaction is suddenly split. It certainly looks cool- with all the Ninja's jumping around, public transit blowing up, and little kids looking up at Batman in awe... but you wouldn't really know it was Batman, except that he has the symbol on his chest. But it does look cool... with all those ninjas blowing up shit. People on the street see the trailer, and get excited. They never knew Batman was so cool. Comics flood the shelves detailing the adventures of this new Batman- replacing the older line of Batman comics. Fans are tired, and a little sad. They miss their old Batman, they can't seem to avoid the new one, and it does look cool. But it's not "the Batman movie" BINO! BINO! BINO!

  • June 1, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    filmcoyote--do we get to see Shia's NAKED REAR?

    by dead youngling

    i'm asking for my friend cause he really likes HOLES.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    dead youngling, I thought it was cats

    by finky089

    i suppose they, too, have holes, though. <p> Shia's "great" acting is about as wonderful as Lindsay Lohan's "great" driving. <p> Or Hassellhoff's "great" job staying off the booze. <p> Or the "great" number of explosions an audience is guaranteed in every Mike Bay film.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Starscream

    by Colonel Activity

    has one line, and it sucks. Therefore, this movie is TINO.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Starscream's voice....

    by Colonel Activity

    Wanna hear it? Sector7 has a clip, and here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/yt62cg

  • June 1, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity

    by RokurGepta

    I'm not sure if you know what TINO actualy stands for....

  • June 1, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Transformers In Name Only

    by Colonel Activity

    .

  • June 1, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    well slap me and....

    by RokurGepta

    call me a douchebag, because I guess I was wrong... <p> I incorrectly THOUGHT that TINO stould for This Is Not Optimus. <p> D'OH

  • June 1, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Transformers: The Game

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Evidently it's the "quintessential" Transformers game. <P> http://tinyurl.com/2gk85f <P>The newest media shows quite a bit.....

  • June 1, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    starscream voice link doesn't work

    by RokurGepta

    .

  • June 1, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Doesn't recall Optimus' "Arm Sword"

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Didn't the first reviewer make it clear that there was one? Didn't that first reviewer indicate that is was so cool that that's all he wanted to tell us? Like it was some type of incredibly memorable scene and due to the coolness of said scene/weapon, he didn't want to ruin it for those who plan to see this? Granted, the first reviewer was a learning impaired high school dropout - but still. Someone's lying about seeing a rough cut of this film or the weapon itself. I would think anyone would remember the "Arm Sword"......irrelevant, but that just seems to pop into my mind compairing these two "reviews"

  • June 1, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    So lets get this right

    by Phategod2

    Jazz hardly anylines no Breakdancing, Ratchett No lines at all, All the decepticon die save for starscream well I guess no one will be Telling me so.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    TINO=This is not Optimus! HA!

    by dead youngling

    love it, but i'm still looking forward to the movie.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Who does Dane Cook voice?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Or was that a frightful rumor?

  • June 1, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Dane Cook...

    by RokurGepta

    at the end of the movie, Bumblebee has one line of dialogue, voiced by none other than Dane "Someone Shit on the Coats" Cook... What does bumblebee say? Well... Bumblebee accidentally steps on Shia's pussy, and says "My Bad"

  • June 1, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Bumblebee's real dialogue

    by RokurGepta

    "I Think someone stepped on the cat"

  • June 1, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    I think that was rumor

    by Phategod2

    He ws supposed to do a cameo but it didn't work out.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    re: I think that was rumor

    by RokurGepta

    his "Cameo" is the voice of the "Camero" <p> I shit you not

  • June 1, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Oh Man....

    by Semen Stains

    All this talk of transformers is getting me hot, i think ill go and masturbate to to my G1 Boxset,"Semen, spew forth and roll out"

  • June 1, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    edit button

    by RokurGepta

    damn it, why is there no edit button, UPGRADE AICN, UPGRADE, PLEASE

  • June 1, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    ONIT!

    by Lando Griffin

    Only name in Transformers!

  • June 1, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Dane Cook...waitaminute...REALLY!??!

    by Brians Life

    But seriously....REALLY? And what is this I hear about a Sam fuckin' cats reference...TELL ME at least that that's not true...

  • June 1, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Question

    by Lando Griffin

    what exactly is a "giant fuck-off robot"?

  • June 1, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    messi, I've already told you several things that

    by superninja

    I like. I just don't like everything. LOTR are boring movies - sorry. :) As for my musical tastes, it's just as picky as my taste in film.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Filmation Flash Gordon cartoons are kinda cool.

    by superninja

    They are also pretty faithful to the strips.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Based on filmcoyote's comments they filmed the

    by superninja

    draft script to a tee. No offense, pal, but if you read the draft script you could just be reviewing it like you saw the film.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    ludmir88 - FUCK OFF

    by Lamerz

    Yeah, you heard me. <P>Oh wait, you didn't pre-approve this post. Let me retract it immediately. Because I certainly wouldn't want to post something that you don't want to read. /sarcasm <P> Fucking loser.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    The only thinkg missing

    by Phategod2

    "twins sons united under the house of primes." Thank God thats gone. and the eyeglass scene in the beginning.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Thylacine - that's a lot of effort for a point ...

    by Lamerz

    that could have been made in two sentences. Geez, I stopped reading after about two sentences.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    But Prime hiding in suburbia is cute!

    by superninja

    And dog's peeing on giant robots? Does it get any cuter?!

  • June 1, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Disasterpiece Prime MP-Crap

    by Phategod2

    Sorry only Master piece collectors would get that joke.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    B-b-but Shia's the new Tom Hanks!

    by superninja

    You will love the Shia!

  • June 1, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    How hard would it have been to wow the audiences

    by superninja

    with this movie? Now it's just another Bay movie with some technically impressive setpieces. So what? <p> This movie could've been amazing, with the robots crash landing on Earth and reawakening only to be discovered by the humans who line up to take sides with either the Autobots or the Decepticons as the robots themselves have to reevaluate their positions in light of being stranded far from their homeworld. It really should've play out like an old war movie with the humans caught in the middle.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    this just in

    by RokurGepta

    After filming completes on INDY 4, Shia is set to star in a Sequel to Big, playing the cat loving son of Tom Hanks character.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    What is up with all this cat lover stuff? Did Col Act

    by superninja

    start that or is it an actual reference to something?

  • June 1, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    the mtv movie awards is

    by huggerorange

    the mtv movie awards is supposed to show some shit on transformers..

  • June 1, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Has it been confirmed Shia is playing Indy's kid?

    by superninja

    I've heard Blanchett is the villain is confirmed, no longer rumored.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Is the cat fucking from Mr. Brooks?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I saw mention of cat fucking show up on that TB. I think it's an inside joke that we are not meant to get. Perhaps. Colonel, paging the Colonel. I'd rather hear about the cat fucking more than hear about this shit-tacular so-called film. <P> The formula was easy. All you had to do was adapt it to span a two hour film. How do you fuck that up? The answer is Michael Bay. I tire of so many praising Spielberg (SP?) like he's some type of film god. Never liked him that much. Yes, I like him and he is very capable at times, but come on. He's as overrated as Star Wars. But that's just me. Perhaps I don't belong here. <P> You call me a pretentious prick? Michael Bay is the epitome of that insult. Pandering asshole. I still blame the fucks at Hasbro. What the fuck guys? Take a risk and expect/demand excellence when handing over one of your IPs (there's a thought). Instead you settle for less than mediocre. Where's Don to tell me how much "fun" this movie is supposedly. Tool. For fuck's sake, this movie could have been stellar (yes, with the budget they were given). Yeesh, get a group of five us together and we could have scripted a stronger, better developed story. Where the fuck was Simon Furman during all this? Standards, let alone high standards are clearly a myth. I too tire of the moronic excuses - At least it got made, or it's giant robots blowing shit up, I want to be ten again, etc. etc. Really? I would rather have a film that doesn't insult my limited intellegence. Yeah, I'm not seeing it, but this could have been. whine whine whine <P> Pardon the Sake talking/typing (Suishin/chilled = excellence) but this film could have been so much more than merely a SFX reel.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    intelligence

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    not intellegence. Nice. This film is still shit. The review says it all. Pretty boom boom, but EVERYTHING else is crap. You people pay for this? It's one thing if your adolescent children want to see this, but a grown, cognizant adult willingly paying to see this tripe for the simple fact that big giant robots will be on the screen? Something never seen before, to be certain, that doesn't give carte blanche allowence for every other element in the film to be substandard or less even. At least not to me and I expect a few others too, although I dare not speak for anyone save for myself. <P> Bay = Anti-Intellectual Extraordinaire

  • June 1, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Baroness & Ravage

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    http://tinyurl.com/2tnhl6 I've already got mine pre-ordered. Thought I would share on the off chance that there are any other G.I. Joe vs. Transformers super-freaks out there like myself. So sad and yet I don't care.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Seldom does a Sci-Fi film get made

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    and seldom a good one at that. If Bay is truly Frankenheimer's offspring, then I submit that there's quite a bit of genetic code that went awry.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    MTV still exists?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Talk about an outdated channel...

  • June 1, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Re: Baroness & Ravage

    by RokurGepta

    DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for that link!!! That is effing beautiful. If that's not deserving for the mantel above the fireplace, then I don't know what is. damn cool... damn cool.. <p> Yes I'm a geek, and god damn proud of it...

  • June 1, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Kate Blanchett

    by Phategod2

    We all know this woman looks like she stepped out of t he 40's but how many period movies can one broad do.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    There's also an Optimus Prime with Snake-Eyes in the

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    palm of his hand. Cool, but I'm a Cobra/Deceptacon guy. Take a look if you're a G.I. Joe/Autobot supporter (?). Not as cool to me, but here it is anyway.<P> http://tinyurl.com/2p6u4v

  • June 1, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I like Cate Blanchett

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    and I am looking forward to The Golden Age. I will not be seeing Indy 4 though. I have zero interest in it. Sorry guys and gals, but I feel that that ship has sailed.

  • June 1, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    Oops, I meant Decepticon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    What kind of fan am I if I can't even spell it? <P> Nitpicking, but I don't like how they "slimmed down" the Decepticon emblem/insignia for the film. Inconsequential and just taking a pot shot, but what was wrong with it? Probably Bay's doing.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    What does the prime statuette...

    by RokurGepta

    have the Cobra symbol.....

  • June 1, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    But what about the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS?

    by PUSSY ON OPTIMUS

    How does that not make it into a review of TINO? Did it look rendered for more than 40 hours? Was it less blocky and more realistic than the 80's cartoon version? Did you get the feeling that it was trying to sell you toys when you looked into its gaping maw? Did Shia and PUSSY ON OPTIMUS have any good scenes together? How was their chemistry? Did Bay coax a good performance out of Prime's Bot-Slot? Did the PUSSY ON OPTIMUS overshadow Tyrese's contribution to the film? I need answers.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    This just in SN!

    by Boober

    "This movie could've been amazing, with the robots crash landing on Earth and reawakening only to be discovered by the humans who line up to take sides with either the Autobots or the Decepticons as the robots themselves have to reevaluate their positions in light of being stranded far from their homeworld. It really should've play out like an old war movie with the humans caught in the middle."...oh, you mean, like in a sequel? TF = robots in disguise. Many a talkbacker = talentless in dusguise??? Just a thought.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Did you not read the G.I. Joe vs. Transformers mini-series Image put out in 2003? <P> http://tinyurl.com/2nepu4 <P> Cobra is responsible for finding and reacivating the Transformers. Remember? Love that Storm Shadow proped on the fallen head of Optimus - issue 4 <P> http://tinyurl.com/389ryz

  • June 1, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Close up shots of the proofs. Just click to embiggen as they say. <P> http://tinyurl.com/2lv3x9

  • June 1, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by RokurGepta

    thank you for the links and the info, i wasn't able to afford too many toys in 2003 as I was in film school, and school pretty much used up all my money... But, I'll have to go try to hunt those down.. thank you

  • June 1, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    TFD vs. TFD...

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    We all know who the winner is. Poseur. The three periods after proves you're not the real deal. Not to mention all the yelling and pointless rhetoric. I'm thinking you're Gabrial Gray with one of your many screen names. Where is your mind child?

  • June 1, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    ohh pricey, but worth it..

    by RokurGepta

    splendorific!!! thanks again

  • June 1, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    School is key. Good for you. The statues are just expensive, pointless trinkets that collect dust (unless you place them behind glass) and empty wallets. But dammit if some of them aren't tiggity-tight. It was my pleasure to share and geek out a bit. Be well.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Watch it HWCNBN

    by Phategod2

    Or Don will comeup with another Alter ego and a bunch of usernames based on yours and try to get you fired. Then I'll get jealous.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    GI Transformers crossover was cool. The one

    by superninja

    with the Jae Lee art anyway. Story was pretty nice as well. They could've gone that route for this film, just not made the humans Joes.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    JAZZ...

    by BigBlackDude

    If Jazz doesn't have any lines in this movie I'm going straight to the NAACP.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    In the legendary and immortal words of the master thespian Tyrese - Bring it. I remember a few talkbacks ago asking Don some simple, honest questions. Basically requesting that he man up and elaborate on the process and the merits of the film he is so proud of. I was ignored. Nice. Slings insults (witless ones at that) but cannot engage is simple conversation regarding a process he is so clearly a proven master at. The Mighty Murphy indeed.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    The statues are cute, but where do you put those things

    by superninja

    I also hate those busts without arms. Ridiculous.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    SuperNinja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Transformers vs. G.I. Joe vol. 1 (Reiber & Jae Lee) was the only one I actually enjoyed storywise. Visuals are one thing, but I really liked the storyline in that one too. They just had a great package with at mini concerning the subject material they were working with. I'm a big Jae Lee fan myself. I like the Elseworld shit when effectively done. Yes, that would have made a better film that what we are being subjected too. I had no problems with Bumblebee being a motorcycle. Story matters. If the story is strong then allowances and liberties can run amok with acceptance by a majority. I really liked that series.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    I agree it was very atmospheric.

    by superninja

    And the personal stories were for the most part well done. I liked all of the double dealings going on with Destro and Starscream.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    That what a bust is silly girl

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    A torso and head (an arm will find it's way on to a bust once in a while). Ridiculous meaning just that or you would prefer to have full body statues? You know it's a price, material, production thing. My Cobra Commander statue cost me the same as three of my G.I. Joe busts. But I do prefer the statue over the busts. I put my cute statues in a glass cabinet and I have a few in exclusive glass cases. Yup, I'm SuperGeekFreak. Why buy it if you're just going to let it get dirty and collect dust? Respect your pointless investment.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Sorry, I meant Lady, not girl

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    respect

  • June 1, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    busts without arms....

    by moondoggy2u

    thats kinda why they call it a bust, isnt it?

  • June 1, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    She's just giving us shit

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Love the SuperNinja

  • June 1, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but they look dumb.

    by superninja

    They don't pull them off Roman style.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    If they did them in marble that would be one

    by superninja

    thing. But they just look like they were too cheap to finish them.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    lol. Prime in Marble..

    by moondoggy2u

    Well, come to think of it, Optimus Prime is a roman name...

  • June 1, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    You know what I'm saying? It's not like they're

    by superninja

    made out of expensive materials. Where are my dang arms?

  • June 1, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Et tu, Opti?

    by moondoggy2u

    .

  • June 1, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    I would not object to a life size

    by superninja

    Cap Kieron Dwyer style.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    lol. I getcha, hon.

    by moondoggy2u

    Prime isn't really Optimal without his arms, now is he?

  • June 1, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I agree some look dumb

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Eye of the beholder I guess. I passed on the Roadblock and Serpentor busts for obvious reasons and not so obvious reasons. I personally don't like how the Prime/Snake-Eyes bust worked out for that very reason - it just wasn't pulled off to validate the price tag. However, I think Palisades did a fine job with their busts and statues. I'm still miffed they never produced that Destro statue. I still want it. Not enough interest was the reason. Say what you will, but I liked it for some reason. Yes I prefer the classic uniform/costume, but I really dug the Gold Grenedier get-up. Even had it pre-ordered. <P> http://tinyurl.com/2cpftf

  • June 1, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Captain America Kieron Dwyer style

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Why doesn't that exist yet? That would be, how do the kids type it, hawt?

  • June 1, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    tribuo bonus telum

    by moondoggy2u

    gratia.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Captain America by John Ney Rieber

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Funny how this all came about. Whatever. Anyway, Superninja, what did you think of Rieber's run on Cap? Love, hate or meh? Just curious.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    I know just the panel I want, too.

    by superninja

    Hahah.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    i was just flipping through the channels

    by RokurGepta

    and stopped on some cooking show, with a nice southern lady named Paula. Paula and her son were making deep fried lasagna, and i'll be damned, but it looked delicious!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm wishin' I had me a deep fryer right about now.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Paula deep fries everything, I'm not kidding.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 1, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Hewhomustnotbenamed.....

    by RevSick

    ...I pointed out to Mr. Murphy right when the Megatron hit the fan that my objection to the designs was their false advertising on here and on Seibertron and all he could do is call names but hey if he can have millions and run in the circles he does but still feel the need to get that pissed over fan reaction he's alot more pathetic than I thought.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Giada's where it's at

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Letcherous am I

  • June 1, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    seriously though

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I'm a Mario and Ming fan. Just saying.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Dunno I like the one from the cake competition....

    by RevSick

    Bronwyn she maked good looking cakes.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    RevSick

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    indeed

  • June 1, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    So

    by RevSick

    when does false advertising become a point where one can sue/file criminal complaint?

  • June 1, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Mario's sou chef on ICA

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I like 'em healthy.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    I love me some Bobby Flay and Mario Battali.

    by superninja

    Battali is the best chef, maybe then Morimoto.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Cause I would say it's at this point

    by RevSick

    http://mattbrett.com/images/transformerslive.jpg Comic-Con 2005

  • June 1, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    I'm also a sucker for...

    by RevSick

    the documentaries on random foods hosted by the dude from Double Dare.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    There is no excuse for that Megs design. That is like

    by superninja

    some MOTU Gwildor crap. Give him a face mask if you can't do lips.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Why did they lie so much?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Were they ashamed of the shit product they were putting forth? Now, again, I only speak for myself here, but if they just owned up in the beginning, you know, just told us that we, the filmmakers, are going in a totally new direction and not adhering to G1 canon, only utilizing some of the most basic principals (which they still found a way to fuck up), then I personally would have walked away from this with little to know no whining way back last year. Seriously. Why all the lies? That's why I still rant. All the needless deception. Totally needless. And they probably still wonder why all the fevor and backlash. Wait, no they don't, they just don't care.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    And I don't buy they can't do lips. They just didn't

    by superninja

    want to give them human looking faces in favor of the alien garbage trawl look.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    I'd give it to Battali

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    only slightly over Morimoto. Only slightly. Battali is just so much more worldly than Morimoto. <P> Ugh, I hate Flay. Too arrogant. He's successful, sure, but he doesn't have to be a prick about it. Too arguementative and unable to take critique.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Battali is more versatile than Morimoto.

    by superninja

    I agree about Flay, but that is what makes him interesting.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST

    The dude from Double Dare

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Ha! That's exactly how I refer to him. Poor Mark Summers. Wait, that guy gets paid to tool around and eat whilst spouting rhetoric about foods & processes. Winner. Food Network programming is more engaging than TINO. oy

  • June 1, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    That guy's show is b-o-r-i-n-g.

    by superninja

    Giada is cute but her lack of neck bothers me. She looks like a muppet.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Who's the hot british chick?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Forgot her name, but I prefer her over Giada (who does look like a muppet - a MILF of a different kind). Sorry, so vulgar, but I'll leave it anyway.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Giada looks like her chompers might get you.

    by superninja

    M is for munchy mouth.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Yeah, his show is boring

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    but when my daughter is asleep on my chest, I have few options. Sometimes his show is the only thing on that I can stomach. I can't watch news all the time.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Nigella Lawson

    by AlwaysThere

    Hot

  • June 1, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Well, sure. For what I pay for cable there really

    by superninja

    is not much on. I love the BBC Robin Hood where they look like they are in a Backstreet Boys video dressed in Louis Vuitton.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    That's what bothers me the most...

    by RevSick

    ...had they not lied about it I might have given it a chance but they lied and I won't go. And that's what pisses me off on the pass it's getting from the people on the site, they always bitch when it comes to Fantastic Four or X-Men, but here they have an absolute clear cut case of a studio bold-face lying to the faces of movie goers everywhere, and nothing but a colective "Meh, Giant Fucking Robots blowing shit up." in response. It's not so much about the G1 not G1 angle it's about the absolute false advertising and lying and these guys, Spielberg included, should be held responsible for false advertising. That picture is absolute proof of the depth of their lies.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Girl has a set of teeth, that' for sure

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    but damn if they're not bleached to perfection. Nice nose though. <P> Nigella Lawson. That's her name. http://tinyurl.com/ycuzqd

  • June 1, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Lots of Human Giant here....

    by RevSick

    ...but there really is no value in Cable TV. I really wish there was more options for tv.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Lord, if BSB were here this would get way out

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    of control.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    I would go for Dish Network

    by RevSick

    but it seems like alot more hassle than it's worth and no VOD service

  • June 1, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    The Bergs stock has definitely gone down.

    by superninja

    They are professionals it's really pathetic to act that way.

  • June 2, 2007, midnight CST

    BSB has some sick love for Giada, right?

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 2, 2007, midnight CST

    I'm really appalled at Spielberg for this....

    by RevSick

    ...he has no reason to sink that low, the man has oscars under his belt he shouldn't be wallowing in the mud with the likes of Bay and Murphy and certainly shouldn't be standing silently by allowing his name to be attached to that kind of behaviour.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    He shouldn't have chosen Bay in the first place

    by superninja

    but Berg doesn't get the property, either. Berg has lost the magic in my opinion, he doesn't know how to make a hopeful fun film anymore. He makes films that are fearful.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Neither does Lucas. Lucas's prequels were

    by superninja

    dark and somewhat mean in my opinion.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    I liked a few of the last ones...

    by RevSick

    Minority Report was decent and AI was a mixed bag but aight, but I feel he's just become too Hollywood, I think he's lost his soul and is just about the dollars. So everyone can start spelling his name with one of these $.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    No matter how much of the dialogue

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    they "punch up" or if they even insert an actual Starscream vs. Mega-Chandelier-a-tron shouting match/struggle, the core material from Feb 06 is still present - and said core material stinks. Wretched. The review above, if legit, confirms it. <P> Besides the effects and action sequences, will any reviewer be able to honestly say they enjoyed the story/characters? Anyone over ten that is.....

  • June 2, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    The only real problems I had with the prequels were...

    by RevSick

    Jake Lloyd, "NOOOOOOOOOOOO", and the whole conversation on the balcony in Ep. 3 "No cause I'm so in love with you".

  • June 2, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Big opening weekend....

    by RevSick

    then immediate drop off into film mediocrity.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but Minority Report and AI are a long

    by superninja

    way from the fun of Indy or even Hook. They're about dystopian futures, which is not Berg's strength, frankly he is no Kubrick.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    He definatly is no Kubrick...

    by RevSick

    ...that is definatly true, and that is what killed AI, that horrible stretch to get to that cheery reunion ugh.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    BSB loves him some Giada

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    and Nigella too. I find Nigella to be absolutely stunning. My kind of beauty. Healthy. Monica Bellucci style.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    I hated that he made Vader whiney instead of

    by superninja

    a leader, and most of all how he screwed over the Jedi. They would not have all believed that bunch of philosophical nonsense - Obi-Wan never acted like he had that belief system, or how he hatefully rewrote the nature of the Force (midiclorians) and made Vader a momma's boy.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    I think the biggest problem...

    by RevSick

    ...with how they are written is that I think he was relying way too much on the EU Books/Comics to explain some of the finer points of what was going on.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Glad I never wanted to see A.I.

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I thought it was rude, not respectful of Kubrick's memory. That's the simple reason why I passed. Immitation/Flattery/Whatnot. Whatever. The man died. Don't insult his namesake by dragging his name through the proverbial mud with your idea of what his film should be. Dick. I know Kubrick passed it on to him, but still. I'll never see it since, well, I already said what I think of the Berg. <P> I watch Munich due to messi's request. I quit liked it. Definately not a fun film though. I get what you mean SuperNinja.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Kubrick would've made AI so much more interesting.

    by superninja

    Love it or hate it, Berg is just not on that level. I mean, wouldn't want Kubrick's Raiders, you know? Although Spartacus is pretty killer....

  • June 2, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST

    I think with better/tighter editing...

    by RevSick

    A.I. could have been really good, but there was no editorial process on that film.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Monica Bellucci e' Bellissima

    by RokurGepta

    Lei e' propria una donna perfeta. <p> anyways so now I'm craving all kinds of food, and still trying to get some people together to go see POTC3, which gets me to thinking about Disneyland, and the Pirates of the Caribean ride, and the restaurant there I can't remember what it's called i think it's the blue something or other, anyways, my favorite dish there is this deep fried french toast type of sandwhich with ham and jelly, I can't remember what it's called, does anyone? <p> That's it, I've decided, I'm going to disneyland in 2 or 3 weeks.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    What the hell happened?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I WATCHED Munich due to messi's request. I QUITE liked it. Yeesh.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Bergs serious films never really work for me.

    by superninja

    Not like his Indy or Jaws.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Monica Bellucci is indeed the personification of

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    perfection. To me. So right in every way. I think she's a fine actress too, given a good role. <P> That sandwich concoction you described. Seriously? That sounds absolutely disgusting. That's quite the Iron Stomach you must have. <P>Taking the wife to PotC3 Sunday as a matter of fact. All I've read is negativity, though only in passing since I stayed away from PotC TBs for fear of spoilers. Despite all the negative reviews for the second, I really liked it. In fact watched it again last weekend. I guess I am retarded since I like the Pirate movies and hate TINO. Whatever. I like the fact that PotC3 is supposedly dense and convoluted. I hope it is since I like shit like that. We shall see.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:34 a.m. CST

    I just didn't like what they did with the characters.

    by superninja

    They are all pirate scum except for Will.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Bellucci is one of the most beautiful women in the

    by superninja

    world. She makes Matrix 2 almost watchable.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Did any of you ever see Brothers Grimm?

    by superninja

    I never saw it because it was poorly reviewed by I generally like Gilliam and those actors.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    I actually loved The Brothers Grimm

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I thought it was great and then I found out what the studio did to Gilliam and what was generally thought of the film. I consider it a guilty pleasure. Regardless, I liked it, but I really like all the actors involved: Matt Damon, Heath Ledger, Lena Headey, Peter Stormare, Jonathan Pryce and Monica Bellucci. Seriously I like all those actors a lot so my opinion of the film is biased to many a fault. It's a silly somewhat dark children's film. Nothing great, but I enjoyed it and even bought it. Bellucci is not in it as much as I had hoped, but who knows what Gilliam's original idea was. Did you see Tideland?

  • June 2, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST

    No, I did not. Is it better than Sleepy Hollow?

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 2, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST

    SuperNinja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I have a strong sense that you will dislike the film. But maybe I am wrong. Give it a shot if you are bored one evening and the only thing good on is Mark Summers explaining how cast iron skillets are manufactured. *snicker*

  • June 2, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Do you mean Tideland or Bros. Grim.

    by superninja

    I love fairy tales generally speaking. Did you ever read Fables? I think that would make a killer HBO miniseries.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Tideland

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Brilliant. A damn fine film. Pardon my simple mind, but why the comparison to Sleepy Hollow? Apples and oranges to me. Or is it a witty joke that I cannot appreciate? Hell yes it's better than Sleepy Hollow. Not slighting Sleepy Hollow since I think that's a great film too, but what am I missing?

  • June 2, 2007, 1 a.m. CST

    No, I meant comparing Bros. Grim to Sleepy Hollow.

    by superninja

    I've never seen Tideland, either.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Whatever.

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    See Tideland. Only see The Brothers Grimm, which is not better than Sleepy Hollow, if you are bored/desparate. <P>Don't get me started with Fables. One of the finest written comics out there in my humble opinion. Willingham is king and I'm a sucker for Mark Buckingham's art. Been a fan since issue one and still read it along with Jack of Fables. I'd love a cable series, if they respected the source of course. Did you read Lucifer?

  • June 2, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    I liked them both...

    by RevSick

    ...Tideland was excellent as it's Gilliam unfettered by a studio and Grimm is good but definatly the most commercial of his oveure.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by RokurGepta

    Do you speak Italian? <p> I love pretty much everything Terry Gilliam makes, I have yet to see Tideland, I'll probly buy the DVD before I watch it. I'm still hoping The Man Who Kill Don Quixote gets finished someday

  • June 2, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Sorry for the mix up on my part.

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Crikey, if you like Fables then give Grimm a go.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Don Quixote would be wonderful...

    by RevSick

    ...maybe someday someone with some vision will give Terry the money to get it back and finish it.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    I fear Quixote will never get finished.

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I dabdel in Japanese and German. The wife speaks Italian. I got what you said though.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    No, I didn't. I didn't even finish reading Fables.

    by superninja

    It started dragging on to me. My favorite character was Bigby Wolf, whatever happened to him? And who ended up being the Adversary?

  • June 2, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    dabble

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    gomenasai

  • June 2, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Remember the old Cinerama film

    by RokurGepta

    The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm.... <p> I have such good memories of that film, i used to watch it over and over. When I had originally heard Gilliam was making a Brothers Grimm movie, I thought he would be re-making that film, so the first time I watched it I was a little dissapointed, but only because I was exptecting something completly different. But after watching it again with an open mind, i've grown to love the Gilliam version of the brothers grimm as well....

  • June 2, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Fables Spoilers

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Geppetto = The Adversary. Bigby is still the man (a favorite of mine too). He's back by the way. Sorry it dragged for you. I love it still.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    i'd love to learn me some japanese

    by RokurGepta

    I'm thinking about possibly going over there to live for a year... as it's the best way to learn a language... It's how I learned to speak Italian, i spent a year in Florence, and it was one of the best years of my life....

  • June 2, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Spoil it, dang it!

    by superninja

    Last I read of Bibgy he had fathered SW's kids and disappeared. That bothered me, I'll confess. Why not just give them a happy ending and then move on to other characters?

  • June 2, 2007, 1:20 a.m. CST

    ok, you're talking about it so much...

    by RokurGepta

    now I gotta now, slap me and call me ignorant, but what is this fables you sir and madam are speaking of, because not only am I a movie geek, but i'm a book worm too. I <3 Reading.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Fables/Bigby Spoilers

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Disappeared = self-imposed exile. Mowgli tracks him down (Wolves) and thus Bigby returns to kick Advesary ass (issue 50). I'm sure wikipedia has all the details if you feel you can trust that site. You never know...

  • June 2, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    It's a comic book based on fairy tales escaping

    by superninja

    their world and living in modern day society hiding among regular people. They have their own separate subculture, and some of them want to be normal (kind of like Harry Potter, but instead of Muggles they're called Mundies.) They want to take back their homeland and it's like soap opera with lots of genres mixed it - adventure, fantasy, war, film noir, etc.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    So it's called "Fables" right?

    by RokurGepta

    Is there a trade available yet? how long has it been out? how many issues so far? <p>

  • June 2, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Okay

    by superninja

    Did SW get cacked?

  • June 2, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Just pick up the trades. Fables is the shit, especially if you are a self-proclaimed bookworm. I'd be surprised if you weren't entertained. It's heavily traded i.e. after a storyline finishes it is immediately traded. Therefore it's more worth your while to go the trade route instead of individual issues with those bothersome ads. I double dip and do both. I'm a sucker. <P>As far as Japanese, I watch a lot, and I mean a lot, of Japanese films. Anime too (save it, I don't care what anyone thinks of anime, you either like it or you don't). With that, the Japanese family we are close to and a few books, I am poorly teaching myself. I am told I speak quite well, but I think they are being kind. My wife and I would love to move to Japan. Enjoy your time there if you decide to do it. What a beautiful and glorious culture. My opinion folks.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST

    What I miss

    by Phategod1

    Agree about Bellucci did anyone see or play the Enter the matrix video game where there are extra scenes filmed for the game where she kisses Jada Pinkett-Smith. A question to SNinja What did you think of Genndy's Clone wars Anakin. You actually see a edge to that Anakin Killing a sith apprentice, rescuing the warrior tribe, that anakin had so much more character.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Snow White (More Fables Spoilers)

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Nope. She married Bigby in issue 50. Happily Ever After.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by RokurGepta

    Domo arigato <p> Once again, you are a veritable genius. I raise my glass in your general direction. <p> I know a few phrases in japanese, i.e. I can say "I am the weasel" "boku wa Itachi desu", which strangely enough I learned while living in Mexico....

  • June 2, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I love you guys, but damn I loathe SW

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I still love you guys. Enter the Matrix was horrible, but I liked the added story, kiss and all.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    If you mean the Animated Clone Wars it was

    by superninja

    better than the movies for sure. I just think if you're going to make a movie about Vader and you want to make him sympathetic you don't make him a whiney kid, you make him the kind of guy you want to be and then give him a fatal flaw. Other than everyone going around calling him the Chosen One Anakin had nothing to really show for it. And a crazy azz wife that loved him after he killed an entire village solely for revenge.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    SuperNinja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Damn woman. Just pick up the trades and get caught up. Or be cheap and spend an afternoon at a B&N.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    speaking of fairy tales in the real world...

    by RokurGepta

    I'm kinda looking forward to Disney's Enchanted. I know my niece will absolutely love it, she loves everything with a princess in it..

  • June 2, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    That's what I think one of the biggest flaws...

    by RevSick

    ...of the prequels were, you see alot more of Anaking acting out in anger (killing the apprentice) and his leadership (rescuing the tribe) and it looks like you see alot more judging from the trailer for the new show, that's all stuff that should have made up the prequels, it should have all been clone wars.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    my opinion....

    by RokurGepta

    I don't think Hayden Christensen can act for beans, and Natalie Portman and him have ZERO screen chemistry... ZERO.... and I think that ruined a lot of the prequels for me... just my opinion...

  • June 2, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Vader is an attractive figure in the OT.

    by superninja

    You know he's evil, but he makes it look so cool. He would be a natural leader, calculating, the kind of person who was overconfident, not some emotionally-driven spaz kid who was an effective psycho killer. Norman Bates as a Jedi Knight. Sheesh.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Don't forget the "gozaimasu" after your domo arigato i.e. domo arigato gozaimasu <P> Yoshi!

  • June 2, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    I just think the george hit his stride painfully late..

    by RevSick

    while writting the prequels. He shoudl have down Ep1 and 2 as tv shows and then followed up with all this clone wars stuff leading to Ep. 3

  • June 2, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    I hear you HeWho

    by superninja

    it is better to read in trades if you ask me. My favorite story is still the Bigby WWII one.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I am with you, Rev. It should've been

    by superninja

    the Clone Wars. All of the politicking could've been explained in conversation as to what lead up to it while the action was happening. Also, I know that the Naboo form of governance is cobbled from reality or whatnot, but did it not seem like the dumbest thing with elected Queens who were children? Uh...what? Why did we need to focus on this in detail it is a minor point in the grande scheme.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Oh, and since you raise your glass to me I should say "kanpai" in return. But I've had more than enough sake tonight.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:55 a.m. CST

    The new show seems

    by Phategod1

    A little pretentious Genndy has already done everything that needed to be done and the animations looks a little lackluster. The one Genndy did was his creation of villian was as (if not more terrifying then Darth Vader) his introduction of General Grievous was flawless.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Dude, I want Star Wars not a textbook of

    by superninja

    the SW prequel universe. "And here we have the Senate and how it operates in conjuction with the powers of the Chancellor who is elected..." blah, blah, blah. Take it on the road, George and give us the SW movie.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    War Stories = great Bigby tale

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Wolves was good as was Father and Son.

  • June 2, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    alright folks,....

    by RokurGepta

    it's been a splendorific evening of talkbacking... i'm gonna head to sleepy land, <p> HUGS TO EVERYBODY

  • June 2, 2007, 2 a.m. CST

    I think Gendy's show was a trial run

    by RevSick

    even though I enjoyed it immensly. I think that George was a little too caught up with explaining everything as I feel he was probably going off of everything he's heard a fan ask over the years, and he didn't have enough room to fit it all in. I think Vader's ark is interesting but the first have isn't illustrated very effectivly.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:01 a.m. CST

    HeWho, who would you cast as Bigby?

    by superninja

    It would have to be someone ugly, but not too ugly. One of those ugly guys that the wimmen luv.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST

    I took my dad to the three prequels

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    because he wanted to see them with me. Ugh. RotS has to be one the worst films I have ever seen. That's just my opinion. I never really liked the SW universe that much, but after sitting through those three prequels with my dad, now I hate Lucas and anything SW. And what the fuck was the deal with those poorly executed, wannabe psuedo politicing scenes? Those three films had no sense of adventure like the OT and if he was going for dark and forbidding, he failed. They were embarassing and silly to say the least. Maul and Grevious were cool characters to me with hardly any screen time. They were shamefully eliminated and didn't pose the threat they should/could have. The beauty that is Natalie Portman is the only thing I enjoyed. And Christopher Lee. His death should have been epic, not cheap. Ugh. I could go on and on. Do you guys just pretend the PT doesn't exist?

  • June 2, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST

    No I still enjoy them...

    by RevSick

    ...alot more then alot of the dreck that comes out of hollywood, but they definatly aint perfect. I think one of the biggest problems was there was no central baddy, I think if he had picked Maul or Dooku and had them go through all three films till the end there would have been a bit more cohesion but to have the enemy's swap out every damn film was a bit sloppy.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:11 a.m. CST

    The only thing I try to pretend doesn't exist is...

    by RevSick

    Jake Loyd.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:11 a.m. CST

    The only thing I try to pretend doesn't exist is...

    by RevSick

    Jake Loyd.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    It can exist, but it's not Star Wars to me.

    by superninja

    Besides, Vader and Obi-Wan really came to lagerheads over a woman, everyone knows that. :) Like Casear and Anthony or Arthur and Launcelot.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:15 a.m. CST

    I felt Lucas did pull away alot from that aspect..

    by RevSick

    it was really only hinted at I thought it was going to play a bigger part, and there's a bit more elaboration of that in the novelization, which also goes into a bit more detail as to why Anakin was so easily turned at the point he does.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST

    All I care about is

    by Colonel Activity

    if The Mad-Hatter is the man villain in the sequel to "The Dark Knight". It's the only way to keep the "realism" of the franchise...THE ONLY WAY. Also, George Bush fucks cats.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Bigby = Hugh Jackman

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    FTW. j/k I know your predilection for Jackman. Dermot Mulroney perhaps? Perhaps not. Oh, I don't know, I'm not good with these things. Sorry.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Actually Eric Bana would be good. I mean

    by superninja

    he kind of looks like him and he could be all scraggly and hard boiled. Hugh Jackman is #1, Mr. Bana is #2.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:22 a.m. CST

    I ashamed to admit this but

    by Phategod1

    I'm DVR'ing (if thats actually a verb) Both trilogies as we speak to see them in HD.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:22 a.m. CST

    RevSick

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I would have liked to see Dooku and Maul be primary baddies/threats through all three films. It really pissed me off that Maul was dispatched so shoddily. Is that evan a word? No. No it isn't.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Good choice with Bana

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Smart lady.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Well, it's been swell, but the swelling's down

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    it's almost 2:30 here and my kid will be up in five hours. Enjoyed the exchanges tonight. Thanks. Be well lady and gentlemen.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:27 a.m. CST

    There is no connection between prequel and OT Vaders.

    by superninja

    I don't care if George put a bridge in there with his sad little Frankenstein homage that had people laughing out loud in the theater. They are not the same person, it is not even remotely believable that charismatic and cunning Vader of the OT is Hayden's Teen Beat "Ani". The very thought is absurd, I don't know what he was thinking except that maybe he is soft in the head and doesn't write adult characters anymore? No one talked like an adult in the prequels, they all talked like kids wrote the dialogue. <p>McGreggor and McDairmid coasted by sheerly on their own charisma as actors. I have to admit McGreggor's Obi-Wan seems like one of the greatest missed opportunities of all time - that should've been obvious the minute you compared his film with Hayden's. The prequels should've been told entirely from Obi-Wan's POV, maybe even as though reading memoirs, it would've made it a lot more watchable.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:27 a.m. CST

    I would have loved to see how they handled the dynamic

    by RevSick

    in Clone Wars, you had Dooku, and either Ventress or Grevious I think it worked and I think that's why the Force Unleased video game is going to have a great storyline, I just wish they would start giving the games more straight star wars names like Phantom Menace or A New Hope instead of stuff like Force Unleashed.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Goodnight, HeWho. My best to your and yours.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 2, 2007, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Night duder...

    by RevSick

    ...have a good one. As far as missed opportunities in the prequels I think Phantom Menace should have started with a much older Anakin having him be ten was the biggest misstep, hell if he would have started out at 20 mirroring Luke we could have covered most of the ground in Menace and Clones in one film, plus it would have been more believable when the council turns him down.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Maul was a stunt character, he had no personality.

    by superninja

    I had no problem with anyone killing him because other than looking menacing and having a cool design, who cares? And Ray Park can't act anyway so we're better off. But why have Lee in the movie and then not use him? And Dooky could've been a great mirror to Vader and Anakin eventually becoming mechanical, what a missed opportunity there to take you closer into his decrepit soul, but the movies had no soul to speak of.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Maybe after I finish my book...

    by RevSick

    ...I'll finish my rewrite of Ep. 1 that I was tinkering with as a goof and post it up for all to check out.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Lucas

    by Colonel Activity

    has a fetish for amputation. He's kind of a sick puppy, and a complusive liar. Like when he said that we didn't get why fans went ga-ga over Bobba Fett, but then made him a big part of the prequels, and then still claimed he wrote them in the 1970s. Also, he fucks cats.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Anakin should totally have been older as should

    by superninja

    have the queen, and none of that slavery business (which made the Jedi look like absolute $hit), he just should've been poor like Luke. He could've been portrayed as someone of common means to whom everything came naturally and so he becomes arrogant (whereas Luke had to work for it).

  • June 2, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Colonel Activity, I demand an explanation for

    by superninja

    this cat f-ing business, sir!

  • June 2, 2007, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Rev, if you can do a rewrite man you should just

    by superninja

    write your own movie, as much as it would be fun to read don't put your energy into that.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Yeah dormant force powers vs. already knowing you can..

    by RevSick

    ...do it all is definatly preferential if handled incorrectly as it were.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Sigh, Harrison Ford is trying to do a Ruskie

    by superninja

    accent in the K-19 movie, it's real bad.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Force Unleashed looks intriguing

    by Phategod1

    I have a Magazine article I haven't taken the time to read yet but My question is if the Players powers are so much more Powerful then a Sith Master why do you have to be Vader's apprentice.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Doing books right now...

    by RevSick

    ...been trying to get movies launched for awhile and it's too tough to get everyone together, besides my ideas are a bit out there, but that's what happens when you spend a year and a half under the guidance and tutelage of Lloyd Kaufman.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST

    I think it's not really meant to be more powerful..

    by RevSick

    I think it's just that the focus of the game is on force powers and they have to make them insanely powerful rather just the average force push or lightning.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST

    It's just like with everything else, it's a talent. For

    by superninja

    some it comes naturally, others have to want it and work hard for it, usually the ones who work hard are more successful. The midiclorians thing is just lame. Who wants to hear about prophecies and chosen ones in Star Wars when the OT never set up the Force as working in that way it was more amoral.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:46 a.m. CST

    I think it was meant to illustrate the difference...

    by RevSick

    ...between the pre and post purge metalities. But without the pieces of Obi-Wan coming to the conclusion that they were over-scrutinizing the force as part of any of the films it comes off as lame.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    The problem with the prequels

    by Colonel Activity

    Lucas can't write dialogue (and I must admit, the very concept of not being able to do so baffles me), I understood "Syriana" more than I understood The Phantom Menace's politics, the films tried to shoe in a stupid romantic plot where it should have been decoration, like Han and Leia, there wasn't enough (or frankly, any) new insights to Jedi training, Qui-Gon is vastly underused (how do you hire Liam Neeson and underuse him?), Obi-Wan should have been the main character (like superninja says), the settings were too elaborate compared to the OT, the special effects made the movie look like a video game, Jar-jar was fucking ridiculous, and so on and so forth. There's too many things to list. The prequels sucked shit. Vader should have been a Holden Caulfield type of kid, not a Veruca Salt.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Dialouge is extreamly hard to write...

    by RevSick

    ...because as a film it pretty much hangs on how you handle what a character says, which also means you need competant actors, when I saw Robin Garland (casting director for the prequels) push for Jake Lloyd citing his inability to hit his beats as "unpredictability" makes me say she should never be allowed near a film for the rest of her life.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST

    I understand it, but literally 2 sith lords and 2 jedi

    by superninja

    seems like a goofy concept of balance to me. Like something a kid would write. Like every single Jedi and Sith Force-latent character in the galaxy was destroyed, this is obviously not the case as Luke and Leia are both alive. Do the midiclorians no longer interfere in history, and you know if you are going to bother having a prophecy you might want to bother with it actually pointing to some greater purpose in your overall mythos.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:56 a.m. CST

    I don't think the prophecy is fullfilled...

    by RevSick

    untill Vader kills the Emperor but that's my opinion, I think it comes with the force being left as the mystic concept that it's meant to be not the over analized means of selecting chosen people. But it wasn't illustrated very well.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Holden Caulfield type - egggxactly.

    by superninja

    It is actually a very simple story to be told, it was just Lucas's job to make it interesting. He didn't even follow his own rules for mythmaking, you know, he was so big on Cambpell and all.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST

    re: cat fucking

    by Colonel Activity

    In college, whenever one of my friends would bitch about someone, I'd always add, "Also, he fucks cats." Example: Friend says, "Dude, I'm so sick of Nick eating people's food when he's drunk. Every fucking time, man. He gets drunk, steals some Hot Pockets or some shit, and then goes to bed. Plus, he doesn't fucking clean, he pays rent late, and always leaves the lights on." I say, "Also, he fucks cats." There's the story behind that. I always just thought that that was funny. Like in addition to all the things someone who you don't like does, he/she also has sex with cats. "I can't believe Lucas would ruin the character of Vader. Also, he fucks cats." See?

  • June 2, 2007, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but it's now, like, popular AICN phraseology now.

    by superninja

    Like drinks a beer and cheets on his wife.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:59 a.m. CST

    I get it all now Colonel....

    by RevSick

    ...Don Murphy is a lying sack of fat and he fucks cats. It's so easy I can't believe I didn't see it before.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:01 a.m. CST

    I always liked Juggfuckled...

    by RevSick

    ...but that's just me.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    its the new JuggFuckle

    by Phategod1

  • June 2, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    The only problem is that he has a virgin birth and is

    by superninja

    created by the Midiclorians. Obviously to suggest he is the Chosen One, unless there are other characters created by The Force itself that could fulfill prophecy that you know of. Lucas then drops this perhaps in favor of making the point you suggest, but I don't think that was his original intention.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Yeah but Juggfuckle had that special something...

    by RevSick

    ...like it should be printed on a shirt.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    re: dialogue

    by Colonel Activity

    A barebones example of dialogue writing is my story about "he fucks cats." Read it out loud; sounds natural, yes? Does it sound like a 22 year-old complaining about an uncouth roommate, hmmm? That's way I think dialogue is easy to write. I don't talk like that, but that's how some people in the early twenties do talk, correct? Just step outside yourself, do a half-assed Staislovksy (sp) for a beat, and then write. It's easy, if you're even a tad empathetic.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    So what happens when the Force is balanced?

    by superninja

    Apparently, jack, because Luke & Co. still have to deal with all kinds of crap after Vader kills the Emperor.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:09 a.m. CST

    *Stanislavski

    by Colonel Activity

    yeah, that's the ticket.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:09 a.m. CST

    In the book prequel to ROTS...

    by RevSick

    ...it's pretty much alluded to in very few words that he was somehow created by Palpatine or Plagueus. It's a bit much but so is alot of the stuff set up by Phantom Menace (which I still think was written by his kids)

  • June 2, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    The idea of the Force being balanced...

    by Colonel Activity

    doesn't refer to the Sith and darkside being eradicated, does it? If it does, then it makes no sense. I gotta admit, I don't know much about Star Wars.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    I think it has to due with the naive mind...

    by RevSick

    ...of pre-purge jedi to think that it would ever be balanced, that there would ever be a time of piece when human nature is involved and that they were on the right side of that piece.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST

    re: authorship of Phantom Menace

    by Colonel Activity

    Donald Kaufman: " I'm pitching my screenplay tomorrow; Mom says it's like a cross between 'Mr. Smith Goes to Washington' and 'Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger and The Secret of the Goo'."

  • June 2, 2007, 3:16 a.m. CST

    I actually like TPM the best. Just because it is

    by superninja

    straightforward compared to the other two, the environments are more classic, the circumstances seem more dire. I really dislike the settings for the other two films: the Coruscant diner and nightclub ("death sticks" hahah), the AI alien cloning facility, Kashyyk, Dooky's arena, Lavaplanet, all real boring stuff. Don't forget killing baby Jedi!

  • June 2, 2007, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Naive mind or asshole mind?

    by superninja

    I'm glad the Emperor cleared things up.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST

    And actually I think Jake Lloyd is more tolerable

    by superninja

    than Hayden Christensen and less whiney.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Rev, you must be a busy guy.

    by superninja

    Troma has a lot of stuff in production.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:26 a.m. CST

    A little of both I think....

    by RevSick

    ...by the by designing a new shirt at the moment that I think all on this site will enjoy will post a link later.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    My Troma Time Ended in 2001

    by RevSick

    I did a brief stint doing reviews/interviews for a site a couple years ago and while it was fun for a little while I really got tired of being known as a website review (no offense to AICN staff) but when people I really wanted to meet looked at me more as a promotional tool I just didn't really want any more of it.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    WANT A GOOD LAUGH?

    by BigBlackDude

    Go to Youtube and type in "The Rude Awakening of Optimus Prime". I'm sure I'm probably a year late but I don't give a shit. It's funny as hell.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Okay. I misunderstood you are working on your

    by superninja

    own stuff now. Well, I have to call it a night. Take care!

  • June 2, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    ok will post my Bayformer parody shirt tomorrow

    by RevSick

    have a good night

  • June 2, 2007, 5:15 a.m. CST

    RE: French toast sandwich with jelly.

    by Colonel Activity

    Sounds like a Monte Cristo.

  • June 2, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Anyone Seen FF2 yet?

    by FlyingToupee

    No reviews a week away from release(even on this site!) is a sign of a smelly Ben Grimm sized mega turd. PS TRANSFORMERS sounds fun.

  • June 2, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I dont remember the

    by huggerorange

    I dont remember the fantastic four being so comedic?...Almost every line in there is for laugh,it plays like a sitcom. but any way i guess this is their version of it..the thing should be bigger if you ask me.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I'll go ahead and get this out of the way.

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    I liked this movie better when it was called Star Wars.

  • June 2, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by Colonel Activity

    What music do you listen to? What's the zeitgeist in the land down under?

  • June 2, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    rt

    by huggerorange

    How is it possible that ratchet is hardly in the movie and does nothing? Hes the autobot scientist and medic..this is sounding more and more like a cluster fuck commercial..ratchet being the excuse to put a hummer in the movie.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    How dumb do you think I am Yack? Wait, don't answer

    by superninja

    that. No, what I meant is that unimaginative turd Lucas ripped of Berg's AI aliens for SW.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I listen to all kinds of music. Let's see what was on

    by superninja

    my CD rotation recently: Lauryn Hill, Flaming Lips, Queen, Vangelis, Shirley Bassey, Elvis Costello, Bjork, Johnny Cash.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    I heard the Lucas wanted Ron Howard

    by Phategod2

    To direct the prequels but He told him That He (lucas) should do it. Any thoughts?

  • June 2, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by SlickyVonBoner

    I totally agree. TPM is the best prequel, here's why: best villian is Darth Maul. Dooku(what a fucking stupid name, ranks up there with PadMe) was lame. Grevious WOULD have been cool is he was like in the Clone Wars cartoon. 2) Best Jedi, Qwi Gon Jinn. 3) Best fight, the 3-way with Kenobi, Jinn and Maul. Jar-Jar was meant to be for the kids, like R2&3PO and ewoks. But what I liked about TPM is all the adults were annoyed by his presence. Ok, Anakin was bad, but lets face it, he sucked in all three movies. Also there were quite a few good one-liners, "Always a bigger fish", "another pathetic life-form". AOTC and ROTS had little to no humor. Was humor there was was sesame-street grade. No too mention the horrible "romance" dialog. Yep, I'll argue that Ep. 1 is the best of the 3 and has the most "StarWarsy" feel.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Look, messi, I understand why people like the LOTR

    by superninja

    movies, there is nothing like them. (SW prequels, not so much so, but LOTR is understandable.) When adapting popular literature you go in with preconceptions, naturally. When the Ballrog scene came up in the first one, I was so disappointed as to how anti-climatically it was executed (that's actually one of my favorite moments in the book) that maybe it poisoned me for the rest of the film? The repeated CGI pans over the orcs, the odd deviations in story, Jackson kind of wasted Lee as well to me. Frodo and Sam's My Heart Goes On moment at the top of the mountain at the end of the first film. <p> I think most of all, I wanted it to feel like another place and to feel very, very OLD. Instead it felt like a videogame mostly, and not very magical. I've rewatched it to see if I'm just being unfair and I don't think I am. Sometimes less is more, and Jackson could do with a whole lot of "less" in his epics.

  • June 2, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Which is kind of a shame because McKellan's

    by superninja

    Gandalf is so perfect.

  • June 2, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    forget them, check out this teaser for 2008

    by Pukenshette

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qNUwcsOhvVo

  • June 2, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I cant forgive Jar Jar

    by Phategod2

    I was taken out the movie the First Time He spoke and said "exsqueeze me" correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Mike Meyers come up with that phrase for Waynes World. Also there was as SN put it The stunt Character of Darth Maul he was as pointless as all the other sith aprrentices. Honestly I think the best SW prequel was Clone Wars.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Ron Howard is pretty cheezy himself.

    by superninja

    But it probably would've had more heart than Lucas's effort. Lucas clearly can't direct actors, and with a script like that, you'd better be able to direct actors.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Wow we really Jacked

    by Phategod2

    the hell out of this TB reminds me of the old Megatron and "Flames on Optimus days."

  • June 2, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Hey, don't get me wrong, I dislike TPM, it just has

    by superninja

    more redeemable qualities than the other two films which are plain horrible. I don't know why people give the 3rd one a pass - it's awful. Qui-Gon Jinn is quite handsome and delivers his lines like a sage, but if you listen to what he actually says and does he's confusing. The Jedi are confusing, they really have no purpose other than to look cool and then screw up and die. When you establish something as maintaining order and having a code, you set up the idea of what that implies. But the Jedi have no real order, they are random, coming across as even as contradictory. He should've just made them like the Knights of the Round Table with the Bushido varnish like he originally invisioned. McGreggor's Obi-Wan is so infectious that Lucas could've salvaged the films merely by focusing on him as the main character. The Gungans would even have been tolerable if Jar Jar had been absent.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Phate, I don't really mind that they killed Darth Maul

    by superninja

    it would've made people less pissed I think if they had just made him a footsoldier in a dark army instead of Vader's hand-picked predecessor.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    CloneWars

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Yeah, It was better than any three of the prequels. Better story, with more emotion... in what a 10 minute short. what does that say about Lucas' abilities.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Why does ROTS get a pass?

    by Phategod2

    Is it the LightSaber fights? Is it because it was finally over and you get a sense of closure? Is Because You finally get to see Darth Vader? I have no clue as to why this movies sloppy mistakes are overlooked. One minute this prick is the youngest member of the Jedi Council and now he's mad cause he not considered a Master. Next he's telling his superiors that the Chancellor is sith lord doing the right thing, then He Cuts off his hand and changes his mind, and how the hell do you go from a democratic republic to a full scale empire in a 3 minute meeting. Then Tool Vader who does all this crap for the sake of his precious wife, chokes the crap out of the broad and she dies "of a broken heart". Can someone explain to me why this movie is good.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Anakin is a mess, he sounds like if Paris Hilton

    by superninja

    was a Sith Lord.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    They have some special on History or one of those

    by superninja

    channels going into the mythology in Star Wars and how Lucas used archtypes, and they showed the scene where Anakin reveals to Padme that he murdered an entire village of Sandpeople, and I was laughing at it, seriously so poorly acted you can't take it seriously. I mean, I never even really bought that Hayden's Anakin is actually talented he just seems like a dolt. Whereas at least Jake Lloyd seemed like he was intelligent.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    I think that would have been more fun to watch

    by Phategod2

    With a fight between her and Lindsey won-Kenobi

  • June 2, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Prozac

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Watching ROTS, Anakin just seemed like he needed some meds or something. He just seemed like he was in some severe depression, made the movie depressing. Probably the only scene I liked in that movie was when Anakin and Obi-Wan saw each other as friends for the last time, before Obi left, and Anakin called him by name, instead of master. A good scene. Probably written by Spielberg.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Its funny someone pointed out to

    by Phategod2

    Hayden has done some half decent work I dont think he's that bad a Actor he just suffered some piss poor direction.

  • June 2, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Everyone said Hammill was a terrible actor but

    by superninja

    I really don't think so. He just wasn't Harrison Ford. Actually all of the actors in the OT are miles beyond the prequel cast.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    RE: OT actors being miles ahead of prequel?

    by Colonel Activity

    Yes, Mark Hammill just slays Liam Neeson. The guy that play Grand Moff Tarkin destroys Samuel L. Jackson. Please. Even Portman is good (Closer, The Professional). It's not the actors, it's the scripts.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    And the Directors

    by Phategod2

  • June 2, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Colonel Activity

    since you're such a savant when it comes to music, could you tell me the name of the artist and song that plays when "Buffalo Bill" is doing his tuck-the-penis-in-between-his-legs dance? I know the answer...do you?

  • June 2, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    The guy that played Tarkin is better than Jackson.

    by superninja

    And Guinness is better than Neeson. Hammill is miles better than Christenson. Fischer has loads more charisma than Portman who has two settings: pretty and hysterical.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Nope, sure don't. But then I had to look up the

    by superninja

    reference on the net. I've never watched Silence of the Lambs all the way through.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm.

    by Colonel Activity

    Guinness is equal with Neeson. Neeson has a shitload of range. Jackson's work in Jungle Fever is about as good as it gets. Portman has more range than you give her credit for. She's good in Closer (and her walk down the street at the end of the movie is AMAZING. puurrrrr), and she's neither pretty or hysterical in Beautiful Girls. And Christenson--I can't believe I'm saying this--is really, really good in Shattered Glass. But, Hammill is still probably better. And let's not forget Ewan.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    ok so here's my thought on ROTS

    by RokurGepta

    Ok so we all knew how it was gonna end, it it was so extremely anti-climactic. Also in the OT, didn't Leia say she remembered her mother? I think Lucas's has terrible memory skillz, and he fraks cats. <p> No Imagine this, let's say "what if" Quentin Tarantino would have written and directed ROTS, and it had been similar in feel, and edited like Pulp Fiction, so say it's starts off at the end of the movie first showing us Anakin becoming Vader, and then jumps around forward and backword through the story... just imagine it "Is there a sign out front that says dead Jedi storage?" you know it would have been great... YOU KNOW.... <p> GOOD MORNING AND AFTERNOON EVERYONE!!!

  • June 2, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    WHAT!!!???

    by Colonel Activity

    Okay, I have to admit, I remember that song from the heavy radio play it had in '88. Q Lazzarus "Goodbye Horses". That's what happens when you're "this close" to being eidetic. To tell you the truth, I've seen the OT movies maybe 4 times each and I've seen the prequels once each; I've never owned a Batman (besides the copy of DKR my sister got me for Christmas last year) or Transformer comic, and alot of the things I mention I've only heard or seen once. It's cool on one hand, but it creeps out people some times.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Neeson is okay. I think he is a good actor, but

    by superninja

    he is not at Guinness level to me. Like a really good t.v. actor, I guess. Guinness has been in a lot of superior films. Jackson is fine, but he is a personality more than an actor to me. Christenson interchangeable with to me Franco, nothing to distinguish him. Ewan is great but he's also more of a personality as well. I'm probably too hard on Portman, but she's kind of bland aside from her looks.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Did you at least get up to the part when Lector says,

    by Colonel Activity

    "OH, and Senator, one more thing: LOVE the suit!"

  • June 2, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I don't think I've ever watched the scene, maybe

    by superninja

    I saw a reference in Clerks and didn't know what it was about. I don't like movies about serial killers Se7en literally turned my stomach, I tend to avoid them.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I don't think I've ever watched the scene, maybe

    by superninja

    I saw a reference in Clerks and didn't know what it was about. I don't like movies about serial killers Se7en literally turned my stomach, I tend to avoid them.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Sorry for the double post. Neeson's best role

    by superninja

    was in Krull, by the way. Neeson is good eye candy, dress him up in period costumes and let him rip a the hero. Nice build.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    honestly I've watched the OT

    by RokurGepta

    over a hundred times, when I was like 10 I would watch them over and over and over and over and over... you get the point.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta, I always thought it should be told

    by superninja

    by Obi-Wan as though he were remembering the events and they could've played with the story structure. If Lucas had done that it would've allowed Vader to remain mysterious in a sense while you still get to know him and the details of his downfall. If the audience could've been able to understand why Obi loved him as a brother it would've gone a long way in making him empathetic.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    RE: Neeson

    by Colonel Activity

    This guy is awesome as Rob Roy, Oskar Schnidler, Albert Kinsey, Jean Valjean, and--yeah, I'll admit it--he charmed the dickens out of me in Love Actually. I think Neeson has excellent range and he's always commanding.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Col, I think I've seen that scene shown and referenced.

    by superninja

    Mostly I have only seen the parts where Lecter is talking to Clarice.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    RE: Krull

    by Colonel Activity

    Awesome. I used to roll through Compton, takin' fools out with my glaive. Bitches.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    The way Anakin was written in the prequels

    by Colonel Activity

    made it impossible to make him dynamic. Ryan Gosling couldn't have made it work, that's how bad the character was written.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Neeson is better than Ford. But they are the

    by superninja

    same type of actor. If they had made Qui-Gon a stronger character he would've been even more memorable, Neeson has great presence (what you call commanding). However, I don't see a lot of range there. Range of emotion perhaps, but it always seems like a variation on Neeson, he's not like Guinness or Oldman where he literally becomes another person.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by RokurGepta

    made in 15 or so years, someone can re-imagine the prequel trilogy.. and tell it from Obi-Wan's point of view. That definately sounds more enjoyable than the pig-vomit that lucas gave us. Have you read any of the books? I 've read some of them. I really really enjoyed the Timothy Zahn Trilogy, for some reason I pictured the clone wars to be A LOT darker than it ended up being. I pictured the clone wars being this giant conspiracy, and not knowing who the clones were, and who the original was, some clones evil, some clones good. Hence a name like O-B1 Kenobi, like maybe O-B1 was a clone, and the original clone had died or thoughts like Vader was a clone of Anakin and really did kill Luke's father.. <p> Now that Could have been a really awesome clone war... RIGHT? Anyone with me? Thoughts?

  • June 2, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Agreed about Anakin. There was nothing charismatic

    by superninja

    about the character he was written as a victim and reactive. He should've been heroic with a fatal flaw or as you mentioned a hypocrite with an intolerance for it in others.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    I have a creative vision for a novel

    by Colonel Activity

    problem is, I'm terrible with structure and I don't have the willpower to do it.

  • June 2, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    They could've even rolled it out noir style.

    by superninja

    I actually went in kind of speculating on that for the first film. ESB has noir elements.

  • June 2, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Hey, I've got a few of those myself, Col.

    by superninja

    Want a writing partner? Hahah. I am lacking motivation, it is really hard work to do it seriously.

  • June 2, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Weren't they supposed to 'splain

    by RokurGepta

    why Qui-Gon didn't dissapear when he died? Lucas failed, and he fraks cats... <p> Col. Activity, your phrase is so hilarious, I hope you don't mind if I use it here and there....

  • June 2, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta, I also speculated that Padme was

    by superninja

    a clone and that was why Sideous and the Trade Federation were pressuring Naboo (cloning technology), not some dang economic blockade.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Creative vision

    by RokurGepta

    Drink some Saki, and get to writing, your editor can help you out with structure.... I have a feeling I would enjoy reading something you wrote...

  • June 2, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Not another Glaive-by

    by Phategod2

    I don't the General SW audience has what it takes to follow a Tarantino movie.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I guess my problem with the prequel is

    by Colonel Activity

    the fact that everything is SOOOO much more advanced in these movies. Did everyone devolve leading up to OT? It didn't really look like the Empire's policies had turned the galaxy into a dystopic wasteland, so why is everything so behind the past? I mean, it's not like it was North Korea-by-way-of-Flash Gordon; it's more like Nazi Germany before the invaded the Soviet Union. The OT felt intimate, where the prequels felt like video games.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Col, once you get the ball rolling you may find

    by superninja

    it comes pouring out of you. There is free software on the net that will help you create a template for the story structure and then build off of that. My problem is I think of scenes and dialogue and then write the rest around that - my problem is a strong overall story arc and resolution.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Col, that is where a lot of this big movies go awry

    by superninja

    there is a fine balance even in an epic or big summer blockbuster, you have to create intimacy to draw the audience in and then you can expand outwards from there. There was the perfect opportunity to do this with Obi-Wan who the audience was already endeared to. That is how the Bay TF script is structured as well, but I want to be endeared to the giant robots, not Shia's Tom Hanks impersonation.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    i have a few epic novels floating around in my head...

    by RokurGepta

    and I have the same problem... what i always tell myself is that I need to quit talking about it and just do it. Heck I have this one trilogy that I know will make great movies some day, I'm thinking about making them into graphic novels to gather some interest.... but I don't know anybody that can draw well....

  • June 2, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Once you have it written, or heck, even just outlined

    by superninja

    you could go to a ComicCon and aspiring artists set up their booths and you pick one you like and see if they'd work with you.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by RokurGepta

    HUGS TO YOU <p> Is it sad that people online treat me better and motivate me more than my own friends and family? <p> damn am I having another EMO moment.... *sigh* and there's no alcohol around to pull me through the day... I need a comic book, a hug, and and empty notebook to write in. I'm kind of old fashioned in the sense that I have to write my stories by hand before I type them up.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    RE: writing.

    by Colonel Activity

    I was watching "Around The Horn" one day, and Wilbon said, "Don't you think Rasheed guaranteeing a victory emboldens the Cavs?" and I thought, "Embolden?" I realized that Bush's buzzwords were premeating the current national lexicon. And then I thought about pop culture, the 24 hour news channels, and the political discourse in the post-9/11 world. Like, "How far can the reality shows sink to? 'The Littlest Groom'? No offense to little people, but please. FOX, MSNBC, CNN, guess what? The justification for going to Iraq went from 'they're harboring terrorists' to 'they had weapons of mass destruction related activities'; why aren't you doing more reporting on this? Leave Britney and Anna to ET and eXtra. And the jngoism...shudder." I wanted to take everything to the extreme. For example, I had a list of reality shows I was going to work in, just in the backround. Example: My dad returned to the living room and decided to stand right in my line of vision, straightening a skeet-shooting trophy on the mantle above the TV. "Dad, get out of the way. I'm trying to watch, 'Who Rape You?'." Rappers would try to get gold-plated contacts, people would have their patriotism questioned if they liked Dennis Hopper's character better than Fonda's in "Easy Rider". I guess my vision is just a really over the top satire of America three years ago.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Hmm, my handwriting is now like if you gave a

    by superninja

    monkey a pen it's so out of practice. From people who are professional writers, they basically say sit your butt down every day and write for 30 minutes to an hour without fail, rain or shine. It's all about discipline, just like with any other thing. You probably need your ass whupped, that's your problem! :)

  • June 2, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Do you mean like Hunter S. Thompson but

    by superninja

    only with fewer drugs?

  • June 2, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Too much stuff going on

    by Colonel Activity

    is the problem. I wanted the story to be from the point of view of a kid in his late teens in the Heartland, but I wanted to work in politics, movies, music, etc. It's kind of hard. I wrote a simple, linear novel when I was 21-22, and that came easy, but I was just writing about a guy in college; not a very hard thing to write about at that age. Plus, it was really "Rules of Attraction"-y.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Just make him a journalist and then it touches

    by superninja

    all of those things. He can be from the Heartland. Essentially, the media is all infotainment all the time now anyway, politicos are seeking Hollywood for better ways to package their "characters". It sounds sort of Frank Miller, 1984 to me.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Rokur, the booze is a bad crutch anyway.

    by superninja

    I used to do a lot of writing on the boozetrain and my ideas flowed freely and then suddenly they done dried right up, but the booze did not. How old are you anyway?

  • June 2, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    I just think

    by Colonel Activity

    that America is really easy to make fun of if you want. I'm not saying that it would be biting, but "freedom fries"? That's just ridiculous. I had a scenerio where a restraunt serves burgers that have the top of the bun baked with blue food coloring mixed in, the meat isn't cooked so it's red, and the bottom piece of the bun isn't cooked either so it's white, and people thinks it's great because it's so patriotic. Crazy stuff like that. Bush would start talking like a toddler, suicide bombers would start attacking Irani military bases and would be called "freedom fighters" by FOX NEWS, enviromentally-friendly bands (think Pearl Jam) would encourage people to eat dirt to "save the carrots", the biggest movie out would be a big screen adaption of the Image comic book "Brigade" because they're running out of properties, etc.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    I wanted the kid to

    by Colonel Activity

    realize that he can't believe everything he hears. That's kind of the point. He doesn't question anything it first, he figures out something, notices things, and then gets forced into the military or something. It never really got that far into the planning stages. I just had a fun time coming up with TV show names, politcal situations, stupid trends for celebrities, etc. I also wanted the terror alert to be tossed off casually at least once during each chapter. Example: I step outside and notice that the sky has become overcast. The terror alert was orange today.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I agree it's too easy of a target.

    by superninja

    Especially if you're going to draw such obvious analogies, it's better that you reference them but let them be somewhat unspecific so that it doesn't date your idea. I mean 1984 or Brave New Worldl can take place in any modern period. Besides, you have some other horrible presidents that could be cobbled together with Bush if you are going to make a point about crying freedom and then actually doing the opposite.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Or you could make it really fun but totally tongue

    by superninja

    in cheek like Starship Troopers.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Kind of sounds like V for Vendetta, too.

    by superninja

    Only without the superheroing.

  • June 2, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    twenty-nine, jobless, and gravely depressed

    by RokurGepta

    .

  • June 2, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Well, have you asked yourself for what purpose

    by superninja

    will he discover these things? Will it end up saying that it's all futile and everything has been this way since the dawn of time, or will you say this is bad and something to be triumphed over? And if so, how do you go about it?

  • June 2, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    I was going for the tongue in cheek

    by Colonel Activity

    I don't think any restraunt would serve uncooked meat and dough. It would just be SUPER over the top, but at the same time it would be like, "Hey, I'm American too, and I don't like you questioning my patriotism." And plus, pop culture in America would be easy and fun to lampoon. But yeah, I here what you're saying about dating it. I was thinking of not even referring to the President by name, just call him "The President", so it didn't get dated. I was thinking kind of a Garrison Keillor crossed with Don DeLillo with a little Ellis sprinkled in...ah, if I only had a large fraction of any of their talent.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Rokur, your job situation is not uncommon people

    by superninja

    change jobs several times over their lives and you are still young. I am looking to pay off my bills and exit my current field and get into something less lucrative but more personally fulfilling. Stop listening to emo music and drinking if you know you are depressed, it will only make it worse. :) You should go do something to help others to take the focus off yourself for awhile, a little physical labor probably wouldn't hurt, either. You have a choice to break the cycle you are in. Maybe you are going through all of this for a purpose.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    RE: Discovery

    by Colonel Activity

    See, that was kind of the problem. I was thinking a destitute war veteran older brother, but that's so cliched. But then I started to think maybe a sardonic older brother that just matter-of-factly says, "Yeah, man. You didn't notice?" and the kid starts noticing things like Reagan on the ten dollar bill and shit like that, but that seemed too simple. I had this vision of the two of them sitting in the living room, complaining about how the town they live in is so boring and watching a news report of a war in some non-descript African nation and the kid says something fanciful about wishing he could be a dog because they're always happy and never worry, and the older brother tells him that it would suck because you'd be too stupid that you had it easy. I don't want it to be dystopic, just a few notches over the top.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    RE: Rokur

    by Colonel Activity

    Dude, I went to college as a pre-law student, switched to English Lit with a concentration in 19th century Russian Lit, switched to electric utility, worked on powerlines, and now I'm going back to school to finish my Lit degree and get a degree in Communications at the same time. Dude, 29 is YOUNG! I turn 27 in August and I still feel 21.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    basically...

    by RokurGepta

    3 years ago, I left town to go to my younger brothers high school graduation, and when I got home, my house had been completly cleaned out, My $5,000 DVD collection, My CD collection, $15,000 worth computer, video and photography equipment, my photography and film portfolio, toothpaste, toilette paper, leather couches, comcic book collection, oil paintings, coin opperated video game classics such as track and field, and super mario bros. the carpets were ripped up, the mirrors in the house were broken.. My life was all but taken away from me. Insurance wouldn't cover it, they did an investigation into me, and they decided that I had robbed myself. So I went from having everything to nothing. So I've been pretty depressed these past 3 years, and when I do peek my head out occasionaly and had a shitty data entry job for a while, till that was outsourced to pakistan because it was cheaper for them to send the work out of country instead of paying americans. I havn't been able to get a job in photography or film due to a lack of portfolio... so basically i spend a lot of time depressed hating life, and all that. If i was any good at playing guitar, i'd play myself some blues.... <p> DAMN I'M HAVING A BAD DAY, SORRY.... :(

  • June 2, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I'm not a doctor or anything

    by Colonel Activity

    but maybe you need some anti-depression medication.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Col Activity, one thing that I have noticed and

    by superninja

    a lot of people here would probably disagree with me as to the reasons, but I think you can comment on it without being hateful, is that a long of young people in our country have ennui. They are bored and apathetic and it's because this country is so affluent and PC they are not challenged by anything. Like when you talk about your character watching a war in Africa on t.v. I see him imagining it is more exciting than his real life, because anything is more exciting than his real life. He is surrounded by a world with no intellectual or spiritual content, only soundbytes. He wants for nothing. His life is meaningless. You know in Europe, Muslims bring their families to the West for a better life and many of their kids turn jihadi on them despite the fact their parents were not radical at all, but nominal Muslims. I am certainly not excusing jihadis because that is the wrong response to the problem, but there is evidently something missing in Western culture. Personally I think it is a big spiritual vaccum, but others would disagree I'm sure.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Rokur, if that was 3 years ago and you are

    by superninja

    still focused on that event, you need to find a way to go forward. 3 years is a long time to mourn. You have your whole life ahead of you.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Hopefully when you have nothing to say in the

    by superninja

    future you may actually say nothing! Hahah!

  • June 2, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I think you used even more words for that one.

    by superninja

    You are not even trying to improve, Gabriel.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Transformers...

    by Boober

    can't wait. Jack'n' Coke for everyone!

  • June 2, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    When life gets you down just remember,

    by Phategod2

    At least your not some 40+ year old DB who rapes classic 80's cartoons to make his latest Shitfest "Summer blockbuster". Oh yeah and he fraks cats too.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Micheals order

    by Phategod2

    Hold the Jack Double Coke I'll take two lines.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Only two? This guy could show Lohan how you

    by superninja

    get to rehab.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    RE: African war

    by Colonel Activity

    I was think that they're just so desensatized to it. I think the problem is that Americans lack perspective. That was kind of the point. They're like, "Boy, life sucks in Buttfuck, Michigan," and at the same time, they're watching these horrible images on the TV like it's "Doom" or something. Then the younger kid says, "I wish I was a dog; you never have to worry about anything and you're always happy." The older brother says, "It wouldn't work. You'd be too stupid to know that you had it so good." Kind of commenting on the bratiness of this country.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    I saw a Lohan nip slip at Thesuperficial.com

    by Colonel Activity

    where she's in a bikini. Not bad at all. It's too bad she has the personality of a roof-shingle.

  • June 2, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    I love thesuperficial.com

    by Colonel Activity

    it's like a tabloid website, except they just rip Paris/Britney/Lindsay apart. It's so funny. Here a post they had attached to a Lohan picture: This is an anti-drunk driving public service announcement Lindsay Lohan filmed two years ago with A Simple Plan, before getting arrested for a DUI and checking into rehab. Oh, the irony. She basically laughs her way through, which is to be expected. It'd be like Godzilla filming an anti-shooting beams out of your mouth and fighting giant moth creatures PSA. You can't expect him to do that with a straight face.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    I see what you meant I was just thinking of

    by superninja

    it from a different angle to get him into the military as you were suggesting before to move the story forward. <p> Lohan looks like Liz Taylor when she was 30 still pretty, but going downhill.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    More...

    by Colonel Activity

    Paris Hilton has ordered a hair and makeup team to meet her at her home 9 AM Monday so she can get done up and look her best for the media when she walks into prison. A friend tells Rush & Molloy: "The timing is to make sure she makes all the celebrity weeklies. Paris is a genius at marketing herself. She managed to turn having a sex tape to her benefit, and she's going to do the same out of going to prison. It's not just about marketing, it's about making money. If she can set up her entry into jail in a very grand way, the payoff will be greater ... Paris doesn't do contrite very well. She will be glam, and Paris is the queen of the prop. Expect her hair pulled back in a ponytail, big sunglasses and maybe a Holy Bible under one arm. And she just got a new kitten, so maybe she'll hand that to her sister [Nicky] as she gets out of the car. There might even be tears." Paris has also decided to write a prison diary during her 23-day sentence, in hopes of publishing it upon release. "Paris' prison diary will make a more dramatic read than Martha Stewart's. If she can make it believable, and not exaggerate too much, she might expect to make a million dollars out of it." You know, maybe getting all done up before entering a prison filled with lonely inmates might not be the best idea. After the mustached creatures they're used to seeing, Paris is going to look like a lobster stuffed with fillet mignon. And I don't know if she'll be able to find a publisher for her diary. There's not a very large market these days for books filled with 23 pages of frowny faces.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    'Bout dem changes to the TF G1 designs

    by Boober

    As a G1 fan, I will be the first to admit that trying to make realistic-looking TF designs from the G1 series without "throw suspension of disbelief" out-the-window mass-shifting is just not feasible. Therefore, syaing that altering the designs is somehow a betrayal of loyalty holds no water. If you dislike the designs for other reasons, ok. But look over at the TF collection on your wall, or your boyfriend's wall. Now try telling me those designs work without so much cheating on-screen that it wouldn't look ludicrous.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Some of the gossip sites are a little too mean, but

    by superninja

    one had Lindsey's liver filing for separation when she was in the hospital. That girl is going to be dead if she's not careful. These broads are mixing drugs and their booze and their speed drinks.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    They can still have iconic designs and mass

    by superninja

    shifting is feasible, look at all of the moving parts to destract the transformations in the trailers. Where did Prime's trailer go?

  • June 2, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    happy pills....

    by RokurGepta

    don't actually make you happy, they make you "think" you're happy, they don't in any way change the circumstances in your life that make you depressed. What I want, is a job in the field I know in my heart of hearts I'm meant to work in. I want a job in the film industry. When I went to film school, was some of my happiest times, school was actually fun. The creative force behind the making of a movie is a beautiful thing. I don't want much, but I'd give anything just to be a PA on a movie. Whenever I have a job, I'm fine, i'm a happy jolly smiling all the time fellow. I love working, it's the in between times, where I just get depressed and miserable. Heck I'd try out some happy pills right now if I could.... but it's too expensive... :( <p> If someone where to give me a hug and or a job I know, I KNOW I'll be ok... *sigh* <p> CHOOSE HAPPINESS

  • June 2, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    The designs...

    by Colonel Activity

    I personally don't care. The "source" to me is a cartoon based on a toy line. To think that they'd be faithful or whatever is just silly. They make changes to Steinbeck and Fitzgerald, so I doubt they care about Transformers. The part that pisses me off is the stupid, stupid script. Bay even throws in a ghetto-fabulous black stereo-type like he has in every movie except Pearl Harbor. And the worst part? I wanted one thing from the "characterization" of the Transformers: I wanted Starscream to be a giant dickwad. He. Gets. One. Line. Bay's a talentless ass. Also, he fucks cats.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    The designs...

    by Colonel Activity

    I personally don't care. The "source" to me is a cartoon based on a toy line. To think that they'd be faithful or whatever is just silly. They make changes to Steinbeck and Fitzgerald, so I doubt they care about Transformers. The part that pisses me off is the stupid, stupid script. Bay even throws in a ghetto-fabulous black stereo-type like he has in every movie except Pearl Harbor. And the worst part? I wanted one thing from the "characterization" of the Transformers: I wanted Starscream to be a giant dickwad. He. Gets. One. Line. Bay's a talentless ass. Also, he fucks cats.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Oops.

    by Colonel Activity

    my bad

  • June 2, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    also, he fucks cats.

    by RokurGepta

    Colonel Activity, you make me smile... and that makes my day a little brighter.. thank you for being you

  • June 2, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Honestly, that is my biggest complaint (of the many). Where's the Megatron/Starscream clashes/backstabbing/arguements? That was/is a major element in Transformers and they totally ignore/omit it. Looseness, thy name is TINO.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    An iconic design is always better than a non-iconic

    by superninja

    one. And those designs are an ugly mess. They should've just left it alone, they look like walking junkpiles, they are more deconstructed nonsense.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    can you believe...

    by RokurGepta

    untill like a day or so ago, I thought TINO meant This Is Not Optimus

  • June 2, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    The Megatron & Starscream dichotomy was so fun

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Nasty and funny. They have none of this as they focus entirely TOO MUCH on the humans. Too many missed opportunities and too many of the wrong kind of liberties were taken storywise. They really failed in my opinion. Every human character is fatally annoying above and beyond reproach.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Actually...

    by Colonel Activity

    I think Prime, Bumblebee and Jazz don't look bad. I actually think that Prime looks good. But Ironhide? His design looks like MC Escher's art supplies puked on a piece of paper. Megatron? How easy would it be to turn him into an advanced military vehicle? He's being held by government agents, for Christ-sakes. Starscream? The dude says no asshole-ish lines, so he's not Starscream to me, although as a Minnesotan, I do appreciate the Hockey-stop into a bunch of cars move. That's pretty sweet.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST

    That's it, I'm starting the SWINO catchphrase...

    by Boober

    Here it comes George. And oh yeah, maybe I will post more on this in a new TF thread, but people, most here are 5 percenters. That means you are the most loyal to the product and also the most critical. We WILL, in fact, always think that we are being taken for granted, even if TF the movie has had more interaction with its fanbase in terms of the product THAN ANY OTHER MOVIE IN HISTORY. Long story short: The 5 percenter is appreciated, but does not EVER play a defining part in generating successful revenues. Welcome to Business 101.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    SWINO....

    by RokurGepta

    funny ha ha... <p> now hear this.... <p> George Bush......=PINO <p> ok I guess not so funny... *shrugs*

  • June 2, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    And Colonel...

    by Boober

    I think Starscream just up and flies away in a defining moment when Megatron could have used his help. If that isn't an awesome way for SS to say "Stick that in your Superior Darwinian @ss as a fleshmonkey kills the supposedly undefeatable Megatron" without saying a word, then I don't know what is. Oh, and it allows SS to go bring the whole d@mn planet back against earth in a sequel. Sweetness. It would be nice if we had a "pre-death-star rogue squadron" moment at the very end of the credits where it shows SS flying by himself in space...to pan out to another Decepticon...then another..then a dozen...then a hundred...then a THOUSAND...pan left to earth in the distance. Fade to Black with musical climax. That would be SWEET.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I raise my hand

    by RokurGepta

    and say "ok... so I'm terrible at political satire...."....."oh well"

  • June 2, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    George Bush

    by Colonel Activity

    Ever since his tailhook landing onto the USS Abraham Lincoln, where he proclaimed "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED", I've been partial to calling him Chimpy McFlightsuit.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Why do the bad guys always...

    by RokurGepta

    end up dying in the first film? These guys are supposed to be ARCH ENEMIES, but generally when a movie gets made, the bad guy kicks the bucket....

  • June 2, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    You, sir are...total f-cking redundancy

    by Boober

    speaking from the Dept. of Redundancy Dept. At least give me some creative destruction. GEEZ.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    I'm watching the US--China soccer game on ESPN2

    by Colonel Activity

    and boy, soccer is a fucking lame sport.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    i always preferred playing sports....

    by RokurGepta

    rather than watching them on tv...

  • June 2, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Designs are just a reflection of the larger problem

    by superninja

    which is that they have no respect for the concept. If you want to improve on it, fine, but this ain't it. Usually people don't improve much on the original concept. All of the elements were there for a great story, but they went with Shia gets a girlfriend and Josh Duhamel just wants to get home to his baby that he's never held...

  • June 2, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Don't they

    by Colonel Activity

    just sink Megatron? That seems like they're leaving the door open. Like Doc Ock. They make a point to have that paper up that says he hasn't been found.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Megs ain't dead...

    by Boober

    I'm telling you, to save himself he will have to merge/copy a "land-bound" vehicle (oh DOUBLE HUMILIATION sp?, first a human kills me and now this!) and the rift between Megs and SS will grow even wider. I wouldn't doubt that by the 2nd or 3rd movie, we would have THREE factions fighting...Star Scream + Shockwave faction/Autobot Faction/ Megatron + Soundwave Faction.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    It's more fun to watch on Univision....

    by superninja

    After every goal. Con...BUDWEEEEIIIISER!!!!!

  • June 2, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Any of you like Robert A. Heinlein?

    by RokurGepta

    I always wanted to see Stranger In a Strange Land made into a movie... <p> or someday when I'm famous I'd like to direct "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel"

  • June 2, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    boober

    by Colonel Activity

    Yeah, but I remember Starscream being verbally dickish.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    so does soundwave...

    by RokurGepta

    make an appearance in this movie?

  • June 2, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    I've read Friday. It was okay.

    by superninja

    My bro is positively nuts for him. They've made a bunch of Philip K. Dick movies, I don't see why not.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry

    by Colonel Activity

    but I just watched the trailer again, and I can't get over how cool that Hockey-stop is. Too bad it's not in a good movie.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Soundwave was in the movie as a flat and creepy

    by superninja

    little mini player that throws razor sharp dvds (not sure if that dumb crap is still in the movie), until the fans complained so much (even over at Murphyville) that they changed his name to make him one of the cassettes instead. They will lie, but it was supposed to be Soundwave originally.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    The whole thing was the power dynamic between

    by superninja

    Prime and Megs. The internal politics where Prime had loyalty on his side and Megs had to prove his worth to lead with Starscream always backstabbing him.

  • June 2, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    The point being that if the Decepticons could ever

    by superninja

    get their crap together, they could wipe out the Autobots, but they can't based on their view of power.

  • June 2, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Adapting novels

    by Colonel Activity

    They should adapt "White Noise" by Don DeLillo...or anything by DeLillo really. That guy is gold. Maybe HBO should get REEAAAALLLLYYYY ambitious and adapt "Gravity's Rainbow" into a mini-series with 20 segments. Eh?

  • June 2, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I still would like to see a good adaptation of

    by superninja

    Brave New World. I don't think any of the film have been very good.

  • June 2, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Yeah, because raving about ravers is the tops.

    by superninja

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, TFD!

  • June 2, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Um

    by Colonel Activity

    If I wanted to be in the film world, A) I wouldn't live in Minneapolis and, B) I would probably know what a fucking keygrip is by now.

  • June 2, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION...

    by Colonel Activity

    makes some pretty be statements. Also, he fucks cats.

  • June 2, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    TFD needs something to pass the time from

    by superninja

    his cell. Don't take away the only joy he has in life, Col!

  • June 2, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    do they let inmates

    by RokurGepta

    use the internet?

  • June 2, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    So true, TFD. My apologies.

    by superninja

    <>

  • June 2, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Oh boy

    by Colonel Activity

  • June 2, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    anyone have any...

    by RokurGepta

    decent online game or comic they could reccomend?

  • June 2, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    i'm trying to remember the name of a web comic

    by RokurGepta

    that some computer nerd turned his xbox into a robot..

  • June 2, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    what if neither of them is the real

    by RokurGepta

    TFD?

  • June 2, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Nice to see this thread has fallen...

    by Boober

    into oblivion. Maybe BOTH are the same TFD. I don't care. And it doesn't make me laugh and laugh. i hope more TF news comes soon. Buh-Bye.

  • June 2, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Help...toys out...spent $ today...hype sinking in...

    by dead youngling

    i may even buy the 360 game...axe me in the face, quick!

  • June 2, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Well, the punk with three screen names

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    TFD..., GG & SK sucked the life out of this TB. Just like MINO sucking the "spark" out of Jazz. Time to move on. Perhaps he is also GarthImus. Four screen names. So sad. So lonely. So desparate for validation and attention. I thought he saw the error of his ways during the Joker TB and actually became somewhat calm (in comparison to his previous and now current behavior). It really is a shame AICN can't or won't ban/block a IP. <P> I was actually looking forward to discussion about Sci-Fi, adaptations and Robert A. Heinlein. Thanks a lot asshole.

  • June 2, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    HeWho, ditto!

    by superninja

    Who wants to be famous on AICN anyway?

  • June 2, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I ditto the ditto

    by RokurGepta

    you grok me?

  • June 2, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Sutter Kane

    by RokurGepta

    what is your nickname from it sounds familiar?

  • June 2, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Who cares? Now the thread is ruined.

    by superninja

    Thanks a lot. :)

  • June 2, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    sutter kane is from "in the mouth of madness"

    by Bouncy X

    the john carpenter movie with sam neil....and if i'm wrong..oops..lol

  • June 2, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    I typed sutter kane in wiki...

    by RokurGepta

    and got nothing, googled it and got a handful of things, from myspace pages, to a music group, to the character from "in the mouth of madness" interestingly enough the imdb.com page lists his name as Sutter Cane, but everywhere else it is spellt Kane...

  • June 2, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    just me....?

    by RokurGepta

    or is this a SLOW weekend?

  • June 3, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    My Bayformers t-shirt

    by RevSick

    http://www.zazzle.com/product/235153258626801261?style=basic_ringer_tshirt&color=whitered&size=a_l you know the drill take out the spaces in the url.

  • June 3, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Yeah, because none on AICN complains.

    by superninja

    I forgot. Carry on.

  • June 3, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    I've been waiting all day to see that shirt

    by RokurGepta

    and that shirt looks suhweeet!!!!

  • June 3, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Thanks....

    by RevSick

    ...I was inspired last night, turned out pretty sweet.

  • June 3, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST

    If I had the money I would make up a ton of em...

    by RevSick

    ...get everyone together for the premiere in Hollywood work our way up to the red carpet and then have everyone turn their backs on everyone walking the carpet.

  • June 3, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    ooooh

    by RokurGepta

    and they have the letters TINO on the back!!!!

  • June 3, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    oooo brb...

    by RevSick

    I knew I was forgeting something.

  • June 3, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    i meant to say

    by RokurGepta

    and they could have the letters TINO on the back!!! <p> AICN really needs an edit button, and tabbed pages for the really long talkbacks

  • June 3, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Here we go....

    by RevSick

    http://www.zazzle.com/Tromaboy2002*/product/235743343823361180 That's the ticket!

  • June 3, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I now declare this TB......DEAD

    by lost.rules

    .

  • June 3, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    The Face of Megatron

    by LordMaker

    Seeing the box art here: http://seibertron.com/toys/fullsize.php?id=1275&size=1&image=2 It does kind of look like the old Megatron y'know.

  • June 3, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Admins, can someone PLEASE ban this prick?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    He ruins every single talkback with his useless posts.

  • June 3, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    About Vader

    by krushjudgement

    If you watch the original trilogy Vader isn't really much of a leader anyway. You have him built up in your head. Lucas knows his characters. Look at A New Hope, Vader is just Moff Tarkin's thug. Empire, he just kills off all his leaders. Yeah, that's inspiring. Then in Jedi, he is, of course, The Emporer's bitch. Vader always was a whiney teenager that grew up, but was really good at killing people. He's a glorified hit man. You know it's true. How did this thread start?

  • June 3, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Krush...

    by Boober

    Vader went from mystical, throat-crushing, force-wielding reaper to whiney, conflicted, blood-bugged bitch-boy that never won a light-saber duel against an opponent of significance. Seriously. He was all about fear and power in the OT and by Pre-kill 3rd, he was laughable. Conflict about killing his son I get. But the crying? Wow, inspiring. Thanks for destroying the Star Wars mythos and ruining the memories in a true SWINO moment, George. Say what you will Krush, but a few lines about "misplaced trust" from Yoda in Ep. 3 does not all of a sudden make the mutilation of a once iconic character palatable. Sorry, it just doesn't. George's excuse about who Vader REALLY was vs. Perceived does not give a pass to the poorest execution/writing/directing in some time.

  • June 3, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    your fifth id

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    You could at least be more inventive/crafty. You're unable to mask who you are. All the same tell-tales are present. Pathetic.

  • June 3, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    How many times have you been banned now?

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    At least eight, right? Getting banned due to your obnoxious behavior should be an indicator that you should adhere certian common decency practices. Why not talk about film instead of challenging (poorly I might add) everyone here? You litter the boards with ignorant diatribes that are quite frankly offensive and overtly aggressive. You're not funny. Some can pull it off, like the true TFD. You fail in every category. Stop pretending to be TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION. You are a moron and your lack of grammar, punctuation and spelling further volumizes this fact. Prove us otherwise and mature a little bit. What is your childhood trauma and why must these boards be the outlet for the problems you so clearly have?

  • June 3, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    God damn Boober

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Talk about "housing". Nicely put.

  • June 3, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    The real TFD doesn't talk/type like that.

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    A poor attempt on your part. As I said earlier, not inventive and/or crafty. Again, all the tell-tales are present. How old are you? If you are over eleven then that is a very said commentary on your upbringing. Nevermind, you clearly had no upbringing, correct? Foster homes? Juvie? Psyche wards? Abuse? It's sad, whatever the circumstances and I certainly sympathize, but you continue to overstep social boundaries. Even internet social boundaries. Bravo freakshow. Seek help. Hasn't it already been painfully obvious that no one here likes you or cares what you have to say. Your attempts to make ammends are falling of "deaf ears." No one cares due to the simple fact that you bring nothing to the proverbial table. You just hijack boards hoping for someone to interact with. Well I am interacting with you right now. But not in a fashion I would like. I understand that you get off on this and I am further palcating your abhorable need. What happened to your demeanor on the Joker TB was obviously a fluke. Too bad. You seem to frequent these boards enough. Would have been nice to have another film fanatic/lover to exchange discourse and opinions with. Clearly you have none of those aforementioned qualities and apparently you are unable to hold a debate. Prove otherwise.

  • June 3, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Just saw Optimus's lips

    by Colonel Activity

    Yeah, not so much. What's so wrong about the faceplate moving up and down.

  • June 3, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    The faceplate looks great

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    they should have left well enough alone

  • June 3, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Give her all she's GOT!

    by Boober

    We'll try to keep the ship on course until the next TF news comes for a new talkback. All ahead full!

  • June 3, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    More Starwars on the TF talkbacks?

    by SlickyVonBoner

    That hysterical. We should talk about SW in every talkback, we could compare it everything, Transformers, Lord of the Rings... Knocked Up.

  • June 3, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Gabriel..

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Saying your not childish, take another look at your name, your posts, your repeated attempts to purposefully get banned. It's OK if you want attention, but don't say you're not childish, it makes you look kinda..... insane.

  • June 3, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Boober

    by krushjudgement

    You're argument has failed to convince me. Lucas is a genius, and he knows his characters. I'm not apologizing for bad decisions made in the prequels overall. I'm just saying, this isn't one of them. Seriously, watch the OT again, you can see the weakness behind the mask. No matter how many ways you cut it. Vader was never an inspiring leader or cunning strategist. He was just really gifted with the force, arrogant, and a warrior. That is "cunning warrior." Not leader. If you disagree that's cool. Just give me some specific examples to chew on. I'll think it over and admit I'm wrong, if you can show me some sort of proof in the text (so to speak).

  • June 3, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Vader is the Emperor's muscle, he is his right hand

    by superninja

    and his top and trusted general. He obviously has leadership qualities. He represents the Emperor's interests because the Emperor is not present and is sequestered. He deferred to Tarkin as long as Tarkin shared the Emperor's goals, he would've wacked Tarkin otherwise, just like he did anyone else who crossed his ideaological goals.

  • June 4, 2007, midnight CST

    Examples of Vader's leadership:

    by superninja

    Vader is responsible for hunting down the Rebels and destroying them. He is working with Tarkin and defers to him while on his ship, he is not reporting to Tarkin, but the Emperor. Tarkin knows who Vader is and that he's the second in command of the Empire. Vader executes the Emperor's goals while the Emperor is sequestered. He is the public face of the Emperor. The Emperor begins to get suspicious when Vader becomes obsessed with Luke. <p>The point is, second in command of the Empire is not a hitman job.

  • June 4, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    New footage

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    http://tinyurl.com/y35yn3

  • June 4, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Peter Cullen

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Behind the Scenes - Optimus Prime<P> Jun 4, 2007 <P>The classic voice of Optimus Prime talks about his return to the role and how he brings the hulking machine to life. <P><P> http://tinyurl.com/2gk85f

  • June 4, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Scroll down

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    on each tinyurl <P> Scroll down on moviebox, you'll see "new!" in blue next to new footage. <P> Scroll down on gametrailers to the game media to view the Cullen piece.

  • June 4, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Not specific

    by krushjudgement

    Those aren't really specific expmples. And they don't disprove my point. I know Vader is second in command, but his character arc is not flawed either.

  • June 4, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    You mean like when he's shown giving commands

    by superninja

    to officers in ANH, ESB, ROTJ? Like when he is clearly running the operation to destroy the Rebel Alliance? Or when he is supervising the construction of the New Death Star? Or do we need to waste screentime showing people making Vader sign things on clipboards so you can grok? Hahah.

  • June 4, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    I really hope the MTV trolling extravaganza

    by superninja

    backfires on these people full tilt. The whole show was to shill for their movie. It's not anything new to shill for your movie, but it looked like a dange Universe Ride and to give it an award when it hasn't come out yet?

  • June 4, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    No need for clipboards

    by krushjudgement

    I'll chew on those examples. But, the argument, do you believe the character is flawed beacuse of that?

  • June 5, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    He is flawed because of his arrogance and because

    by superninja

    he is naturally talented and does not have to work at it, he feels entitled to a position of power and admiration. <p> As to the basis for his fall, Lucas derailed it adding him wanting immortality to keep his wife from dying as his mother had. It was kind of a SAY THAT AGAIN? kind of moment. It made him seem like a moron, frankly, that he could be manipulated by this proposition from the Emperor. It would've been much better to have him fall solely because of his sheer arrogance, and have that completely supported by his talent and his ability to be admired. Instead he just seems like a twit incapable of ever being in a position of authority.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Col, only if he screamed:

    by superninja

    "Megatron, you bitch!" and pulled his hair.

  • June 5, 2007, 1:36 a.m. CST

    And I feel Lucas only did that because he wanted

    by superninja

    to steer clear of a love triangle, which is exactly what he should've done since the fall of the Republic has so many similarities to the fall of Camelot.