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Headgeek has chosen HD-DVD... Here's Why...

Hey folks, Harry here... Sorry about the lack of DVD reports over the last couple of weeks - In some bizarre act of God - both my Bedroom and Living Room DVD units decided to die on me. It was right as I was about to put in my Katharine Hepburn collection... When equipment dies on you... especially the same kind of equipment... on the same day... well it just makes you think... what am I doing? What's wrong? Is this the time to upgrade? At the same time - ads began appearing on AICN for Toshiba's HD-A2 HD-DVD Player




So today - I finally went over to Best Buy to pick one up for $299, the advertised price... Of course, they were out of stock - but they did have the display model, which had never actually even been hooked up - and I'd get a $100 gift card - that I'd use to pick up a few titles. What made me go HD DVD? The kicker is... that it can play the 9000 or so DVDs I already have, as well as the HD DVDs. That Backwards compatibility feels right. Also - from the demonstrations I've seen, HD DVD looks better than the BLUE RAY discs. I also love that the player has an upconversion that raises the quality of my existing DVD library to 720p and sometimes 1080i. I've already tested it out and DVDs that I watched last time I watched them - look better than they had before. I also have a habit of picking the winning formats. I could be wrong this time, but most of my filmmaker friends, in fact all of them that I have had a conversation regarding this with... have told me... HD DVD is the format to go with. So - Curious to hear what my first 3 titles in the new format were that I bought? Well...



The Complete Matrix Trilogy
I just got finished watching the first film projected 10 ft wide in crystal clarity. The sound was awesome and I'm sold. I picked this trilogy because I wanted to see a film series that is stunningly cinematic that never really looked great on my projector before. This is just stunning. But it isn't what I looked at first... or even second. The first film that I picked up to buy in HD DVD was:




THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD (1938)
Along with the 1933 KING KONG, my favorite film of all time is THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD. The Technicolor is unmatched in human history. The score, my favorite score in film history. The adventure, my favorite. The cast, perfection... I put this HD DVD in first. I wanted to see... just how beautiful my co-fave film of all time would look. I've seen it in 35mm countless times and yet, i've never seen it digitally look like anything other than... well a gorgeous dvd. I was wanting something more. When that Parchment hit the screen, my jaw hit the floor. It was... flawless - by the time I got to the live-action part i was just wanting to lick the screen. The colors were like some living candied cinema for my eyes to love on. There was Flynn, Rathbone, Hale, de Havilland, Claude Rains and the others. They were stunning. They didn't look alive in my living room, they looked like they were simply perfect. Korngold's score lifting me up. This was exactly what I wanted the format to be. Perfection perfectly presented in my living room. Then, the second HD DVD that I placed in to look at was:




EXCALIBUR
Wow. I haven't seen this film, this beautiful, since I first saw this film back in 1981. The 35mm prints that i've seen since then look like they've been chewed up. I do have a 16mm print, but it has a couple of light lines here and there. But this was PERFECT. Of the 1980s films, EXCALIBUR is perhaps in my top 5. As I child, my parents took me to see this so many times, I can't even process how many times I've seen it. John Boorman's take on the Arthurian legend, I feel, will never be topped. I love that this is where I first discovered Liam Neeson, Gabriel Byrne and Patrick Stewart. But more than that... this is my favorite fantasy. The music is stitched to every image. My first girlfriend's father made Merlin's skull cap and staff... and all of Guenevere's jewelry. For people that are just now discovering Helen Mirren - run, don't walk, to see this movie - in any and all formats... but this format is the best i've seen it since 1981. I can remember being 9 years old and watching this at the Highland Theater. I can also remember seeing it at the Drive-Ins. And I can remember every moment. The fog looks so stunning. I can't wait to rediscover my favorite films. Don't worry though, I'll still be reviewing regular DVDs - but I'm also going to be reviewing HD-DVDs. I'm sold on the format, I just can't wait to see what else is coming up in the format. So, have I chosen wrong? I don't think so, what do you think?

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  • May 30, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    Sorry Harry but Blu-Ray will win

    by barrettw

    I agree that HD-DVD has much better titles right now, I was very tempted with Children of Men and The Big Lebowski. But Blu Ray discs are already outselling them by a 3:1 margin.

  • May 30, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    good call mate

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    ...

  • May 30, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Not So Sure About This One....

    by Spaz Medicine

    The difference in quality between the two is negligable, but it looks like this format war is Blu-Ray's to lose...

  • May 30, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    sounds good to me

    by Director17

    i havnt liked the blu ray stuff i've seen so far.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Blu Ray just doesn't look right!

    by Phillyflopper

    Although I myself am on the fence about doing any type of upgrading at the moment. Everytime I see a display for Blu Ray, it just seems overdone and such.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    I dunno, Harry...

    by Smurfeus Maximus

    Didn't the porn companies pick Blu-Ray? They're usually the best as far as trends to follow...I'll wait until there's one left standing! Oh, BTW, FIRST!

  • May 30, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by White Goodman

    Anyone?

  • May 30, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    blu ray is outselling because of the ps3 thats why

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    but that 3 to 1 wont be like that for long especially when hd porn hits ....

  • May 30, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    HEllo

    by jarjarmessiah

    AM I first?

  • May 30, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Blue Ray is going to win this one

    by conniebrean1

    No question.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I worked at Best buy for a

    by Zach_Talks_Back

    I worked at Best buy for a long time........and there has to be a reason it has a 100 dollar gift card instead of the 10% $30 one that is standard..... or you're a good haggler.......and oh yeah the matrix rules... screw the naysayers

  • May 30, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Woops

    by jarjarmessiah

    Guess Not

  • May 30, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    HD DVD will win in the long run

    by decypher44

    And I believe the porn companies have picked HD DVD. Great choice, Harry!

  • May 30, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute, people PAY for porn?

    by barrettw

    News to me.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Wow, jumping on to a sinking ship, Harry

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Blu-Ray is DOMINATING HD-DVD, and there are SO many gret titles that are not and will not be available on HD-DVD. Studios that were exclusive to HD are now, or soon will be, doing Blu-Ray, but it's not happening the other way around.<Br><br>I'm afraid you picked wrong this time, Harry.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    I don't like the way Sony handles their media..

    by Cotton McKnight

    mini disk and memory stick, in particular. I prefer HD DVD on that basis.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    ummm... Wait on it?

    by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES

    I'll let the market decide. Everyone who bought betamax, digital tapes, and minidiscs (me, me, and me) should sit this one out.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Porn is HD DVD - it will win

    by HEADGEEK

    I have faith in Porn

  • May 30, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Whoring out to HD-DVD? Better to go with BOTH, yah.

    by Shub-Wankalot

    What a shameless plug...really.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    By the time I have enough cash to get a new player...

    by a goonie

    ...the whole format war will be long over. So that's both a happy thing and a depressing thing. But oh well. That's the way it goes. I still collect VHS movies and love my awesome-as-hell VCR more than any DVD player I've ever come across, so I guess I'm living in the past. But as for the whole HD DVD vs. Blu Ray, well, I haven't seen a ton of Blu Ray in action, but I remember going to a store when HD DVD first came out that had a travel DVD (with footage of Greece or something) looping on one of the new players and it blew my fucking mind. The clarity was stunning. I fucking loved it. So, either way, all I know is that I'm jealous of Harry now.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Both

    by Anagnorisis

    Neither format shows signs of bowing out anytime soon...I have both and frankly I usually can't tell a difference in quality between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. HD-DVD would be my pick though, they've got their shit together. Video picture in picture commentaries are a great extra and HD-DVD has had support for that built in since day one...Blu-Ray is still playing catch up since they didn't include it as mandatory in their hardware specs...THE DESCENT and CRANK both decided to do a workaround by including two full versions of the film, one standard version and one with the PiP box bunred into the picture, which works but takes up unnecessary space on the disc. In the end, the picture looks great either way, so who gives a shit which format ends up on top? Sidenote, I bought Casablanca on HD-DVD and yes it's B&W and 4:3 but for a film that's 60 years old, it looks absolutley stunning, I would definitely recommend that...

  • May 30, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    You made the right choice, Harry

    by Eapleitez

    I jumped on HD DVD back in November and haven't looked back. People who think Blu Ray is dominating don't have a clue. The HD-A2 recently hit #1 in ALL OF ELECTRONICS AT AMAZON, and all the HD DVD players are far above any blu ray players. The only thing keeping blu ray alive is the PS3, and sales of that are slowing down every week. HD DVD is awesome, no blu ray movie outmatches the quality of HD DVD. Plus, HD DVD has its special features GUI working correctly, unlike blu ray. These past two weeks have put HD DVD above blu ray, and it's not going to slow down now.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    The plug is pretty shameless

    by Mattyboy122

    And Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD 3-1. What's more, look at studio support. It overwhelmingly favors Blu-Ray. All of the titles you picked up will be available on Blu-Ray in the future. What's more, the PS3 can upgrade regular DVDs to 1080p (I've seen it, looks pretty great). Oh, and saying HD-DVDs look better than Blu-Ray (or vice versa) is almost always either a case of not telling the truth or extreme bias, because the image quality is typically taken from the exact same transfer (if it's a film from a studio that supports both formats like WB). All in all, if Universal announced tomorrow that they were going to put their films out on Blu-Ray, the format war would be over.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    I thought porn had chosen Blu-Ray

    by tonagan

    Ah well, what do I know about porn? Anyway, I think you chose HD DVD because Michael Imperioli said to.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    No Blu Ray?

    by Birdys Piano Teacher

    Without the PS3, I'm sure HD DVD would be far ahead. But aren't the studios overwhelmingly supporting Blu-Ray?

  • May 30, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    I'm just waiting for a player that plays both.

    by Horseflesh

    I figure in 2 years they'll be 40 bucks on the walmart shelves too.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    i got both so thats the best way to go ...

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    matrix best hd dvd and lord of the rings to follow soon ... and casino royale best blu ray disc ever .... go both formats you cant loose

  • May 30, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Nope - Porn chose HD

    by HEADGEEK

    and right now... there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray. That's nearly getting close to 10 to 1 in terms of selection. AND - a lot of Reg DVDs are beginning to master in higher resolutions - like I'm watching a reg. DVD that was actually mastered at 1080i, that I had seen in my other player - and now... it's just perfect.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    also some hd dvds have both formats

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    hd and regular dvd like the superman returns hd dvd .... and the donner cut in hd dvd was fucking great ......

  • May 30, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    I'm waiting for...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ...a DVR type product that just lets you download, or chose on demand, HD quality movies. Fuck picking a disc type. HD is the future, but I'm with Mori when he says that DVD will be the last successful hard copy movie format.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    50GB SPACE Vs. 30GB SPACE?

    by THE KNIGHT

    Doesn't the fact that Blu Ray has more storage capacity mean that the picture quality and sound will be better than HD-Dvd?

  • May 30, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray Will Win = Designed For Games/Computers

    by Darth Fabulous

    I think this is the trump card over porn. Plus, Blu-Ray has more capacity and the studios seem to be shifting to embrace the format (Blu-Ray allows for greater copy protection).

  • May 30, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Hardware will win the war

    by HarrysTitCheese

    There's really no difference between the two formats. Whoever hits the $199 or lower price point will win. No one will by BluRay player for $1000+ even if they gave free handjobs with it. Anyway, has Sony EVER supported a winning format? Betamax, minidisc, ATRAC, etc. Not the best track record there.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    62 for Blu-Ray? REALLY?

    by Mattyboy122

    The real numbers are: 184 HD DVD titles. 252 Blu-Ray titles. And, as previously mentioned, Blu-Ray is outselling HD DVD at a ridiculous rate.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Maybe God just doesn't like

    by TORTURE PWN

    Katherine Hepburn

  • May 30, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    no it just means you can get a whole season on one disc

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    wait till battlestar comes out on hd dvd

  • May 30, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Blu Ray rejected porn

    by darthferris

    Story a few months ago was that Sony refused to grant a license or whatever to any company that was going to press Blu Ray discs, so porn took up HD-DVD.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    The kicker???

    by tvot

    I can't believe that no one's pointed out that both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players will play DVDs. I'm still abstaining until the war is over, but if I do give in I'll pick up a player that will do both.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray's numbers are falsly inflated....

    by RevSick

    as PS3 games are Blu-Ray disc, so the comparison is pretty false as it's not a movie to movie comparrison. If we want to see the real numbers one would need to subtract all PS3 software that has been sold thus far from the numbers.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Honestly...

    by RevSick

    I've not bought a dvd in months I'm just burning everything till they figure it out cause I'm not going to sink money into discs I'm just going to wind up buying again to have on a Hi-Def format.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    northen exposure right now can be seen in universal hd

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    universal movies are all headed to hd dvd, its the safest bet that northen exposure is headed to hd dvd

  • May 30, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray is better because of studio support

    by myspoonistoobig

    Even if you argue the numbers are mixed up or changed or whatever, it still indicates that Blu-Ray is selling better than HD-DVD -- I work at best buy and I have yet to see anyone buy an HD-DVD while I've sold quite a few blu-ray discs -- but basically every major studio except Universal supports Blu-Ray while there are quite a few Blu-Ray exclusive studios.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    regarding Porn

    by tempurasama

    Before VHS, people had to resort to visiting an adult movie theater . VHS allowed one to watch porn in the privacy of his or her own home, thus removing the potential embarrassment of being seen walking out of the wrong theater on a Sunday afternoon. These days, thanks to the Internet, porn is everywhere and only a mouse click away . It’s something to be experienced on a small computer monitor measured in inches, not a large screen that could be measured by the foot. So the Porn industry is no longer the deciding factor when it comes to a format war. I can't remember the last time, or ANY TIME that I actually bought porn on a DVD or VHS. Why? when it's so abundant on the internet. Sorry, but I'm afraid Bluray will win this one. I've been following this format war for a while, trying to decide which to buy. PS3 are selling, and they are not likely to stop selling. The ones already sold aren't going anywhere, and the demand for Bluray movies will continue to rise. There's a slim possibility that both formats will co-exist in some ways, but it doesn't look like it. Bluray movies are selling very well, and there are more titles. There are more studio support as well. So if you love movies, Bluray is the one to pick. I think you'll be buying a Bluray player in the near future.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    true hd television

    by howudoinchewbaca

    is it pointless to get either a hd or blu ray if your television only has 480p - 1080i capability?

  • May 30, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    If I recall correctly

    by Mattyboy122

    Nielsen is only tracking Blu-Ray movies. I mean, they're Nielsen Videoscan, why would they bother with Blu-Ray game discs? It's just a fact that Blu-Ray movies are outselling HD-DVD by a wide margin. Advantage for HD-DVD: You get most of Hitchcock's films and some of Spielberg's. Advantage for Blu-Ray: You get Fox (Die Hard), Columbia (James Bond), Sony (Spider-Man), Disney (hell, any Disney classic). Disney could be the clincher. Parents are going to want the format that gives them the opportunity to show Disney movies to their kids.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    By the time the so-called 'format' war is over...

    by CatVutt

    It'll be time for HVD anyway. Sorry, but with a high-quality upscaler for my DVD to my hi-def plasma, and more Hi-Def content coming in over cable and satellite all the time, there's simply not enough incentive to invest in one of these stop-gap formats over another. Neither format is offering enough to not be COMPLETELY blown away by the next technology, which simply isn't that far off.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    get both you cant go wrong

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    most movies come out for both formats and i usually get hd dvds but when a movie is out only for blu ray i'll get it like rocky balboa looks great in blu ray animal house looks fantastic in hd dvd

  • May 30, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    No it's not pointless....

    by RevSick

    ...there was a study done recently and most people can't tell the difference once the resolution hits 720p so I wouldn't worry about needing a 1080p display.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Have you tested the Blu-ray?

    by wadi77

    Before deciding to pick HD-DVD?

  • May 30, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Backward Compatibility

    by tempurasama

    "The kicker is... that it can play the 9000 or so DVDs I already have, as well as the HD DVDs. That Backwards compatibility feels right." sorry Harry, Bluray plays DVD just as well as HD-DVD. So that point is moot. P.S. you beat me to it anchorite regarding the porn argument

  • May 30, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    There are legal multi-format players...

    by RevSick

    ...they're just horrifically expenisve, the first one that can do both discs with full interactivity is 1200 bucks.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    too early to call...

    by The Decider

    HD-DVD has cheaper players... Blu Ray has more exclusives. Really, Harry, if you are truly a movie geek you should have both formats and a huge HDTV or projector. I would expect that the best possible picture and sound would be a priority for you.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    high definition discs are too good

    by WolfmanNards

    the quality is too good if that makes any sense. The contours surrounding moving objects in a high definition image is so sharp that it renders them as 2 dimensional. Regular dvd's have a sligh blur that blends the contours giving objects an appropriate dimensional perspective. Hi Def might look clear, but it also makes people look like carboard cutouts.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    They tried wall screens...

    by RevSick

    ...I believe they were too expensive to produce and then projectors caught on so they just kind of went away.

  • May 30, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    blu ray is rare here

    by Bouncy X

    i'm in canada...ottawa to be precise and i have to say, i've yet to see one store selling blu ray but i'm seeing more and more HD titles now and the thing is i dont even care, i dont go out of my way looking for either, i just started noticing how many HD titles are out there. so maybe i'm just literally not seeing the blu rays and this isnt an answer to who is outselling who but yeah

  • May 30, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    WAR?

    by Bartleby T. Scrivener

    There is no war when one format is outselling the other. The gap will not close, it will just get bigger.

  • May 30, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    HD/Blu-Ray evening out

    by SpeakerWiggin

    HD was way ahead before christmas. Right after christmas, BR shot to the forefront - probably due to the combination of the Playstation 3 having vouchers for free BR disks and the fact that the system has crap for games, so people bought movies to justify the system. Because of this, for all of 2007, BR's market share is 67% while HD-DVD's is only 33%. BUT if you go by weekly, the week of 5/20, it was BR 58%, HD 42%. HD's catching back up. Probably due to the fact that PS3 owners are finally getting some games/running out of vouchers and HD is releasing more movies again like the Matrix trilogy. The battle's far from over. HD is still cheaper, and they have the backing of the porn industry. PLUS they've delivered on promises BR has broken, I.E. dual formatted disks. With the dual players coming out, there may not be a winner - but there's still a long way to go. And that's just software - HD's kicked BRs butt consistently on hardware sales.

  • May 30, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    Maybe neither will really take off.

    by JonQuixote

    I'm a pretty big movie guy and my collection is pushing 800. I was in that mid-90's wave that ran out and got DVD shortly after it hit the shelves (and my player cost me near a thousand CDN). But the DVD to VHS switch...it was more than just picture and sound quality. It was scene selection, special features, no more rewinding. And VHS had been mainstream for almost 20 years, and there was a push for that technology to catch up to computers and audio. When I bought my DVD player, I was watching it on a 20" tv in my small college apartment - I didn't need one, but I knew I wanted one. Now, 10 years later, with a solid home theatre in the basement of my house, I feel no real desire or pressure to jump on a new format, spending hundreds of dollars on hardware and paying a premium for the discs, just because the picture is better. My DVDs work on my laptop, I already have one central set up for movies, games, and audio. All HD (or Blu-Ray) offers is better picture and sound. It's not enough. I can't be alone in that. When I do move over, it'll be because a new format is clearly inevitable.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    What really sucks is that....

    by RevSick

    ...Sony went with a format they knew was going to be fiscally unfeasable to most of the consumer base. If I'm going to be rooting for someone it's going to be the HD camp simply because of the fact they at least chose the format that would be more fiscally reasonable for the average consumer.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray is ahead of the battle...

    by Mooly

    Blu-ray holds more data and can hold more info. Due to the PS3, BR sales are higher. Also, BR has 3 exlusive movie studios signed on including Disney. That means all movies from Sony, Disney and I believe a couple other companies will be exclusive to BR. Only one company is exclusive to HD-DVD...not including the porn of course (who did switc to HD-DVD). Having said all that, neither is showing any sign of backing down. So go with what you think looks and works best for you.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    the point is moot

    by bluebottle

    both formats will die as more and more films become available online to purchase. disks will be dead.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    why the hell does porn even

    by Zach_Talks_Back

    why the hell does porn even NEED high def...... seriously?

  • May 30, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    I have both--PS3 and HD-DVD player...

    by dead youngling

    I can't tell a difference--I think it all depends on the transfer of the film. What matters to me is...BOTH formats look much better than DVD, and my TV only does 1080i.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Disc counts..

    by OgieOglethorpe

    dvdempire.com is listing 297 blu-ray discs to 288 hd-dvd discs. (these counts include pre-orders & the like). Porn doesn't need hi-def. Most people get their porn over the i-net at this point anyway.. and the sad fact? Most porn chicks would just look nasty in 1080p.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Porn picked HD DVD

    by visegrip71

    The porn industry picked HD DVD, so Blu Ray will go the way of the Beta tape.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    You made the right call

    by erikharrison

    Oh yeah. Sony's never lost a format war. Sony happens to also be a motion picture studio, so they figured they could leverage that to win with Blu-Ray - in some technical ways Blu-Ray is superior to HD-DVD (more storage) and inferior (more expensive and delicate lasers). So, they patent the whole Blu-Ray suite and figure once they win they'll make a bundle on licensing. Which blows up in their faces because there is a competing format that is easier to make players for, and doesn't require a license fee to your competitor, so no one uses Blu-Ray. Except for Sony, who is accomplishing nothing but forcing the costs of next gen equipment to go up so that it can support both (which eliminates Blu-Ray lock in, the only other trick Sony has in their pocket). HD-DVD wins.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    The Simpsons....

    by inevitability

    I dont know why all that introduction reminded me of an episode of the Simpsons where Krusty talks about not selling to companies and etc. It made me giggle.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    You don't know what you're talking about Harry

    by Heresy

    "there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray" Not sure what part of your ample ass you pulled that out of but it is completly wrong. Also if you think that porn is going to decide this war I'd like to introduce you to this little thing called the Internet where anyone who wants can dowload all the free porn they would ever want. Not to mention that there is porn on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray. Blu-ray has better video quality thanks to much higher bitrate capabilities (nothing on HD-DVD can compare to the Pirates movies) and more space for lossless audio. You probably should have actually checked some facts before making your choice.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    That's really what this format war boils down to...

    by RevSick

    ...Sony wants every other studio to pay it money to make discs. Unfortunatly some have bought into it, but I think it kind of plays into the whole conspiracy of it just being money changing pockets in the same pair of pants.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Its just better

    by ag 721

    harry is correct my brother and i have this conversation at least once a week. I have both formats hooked up the exact same way and i have already chosen HD to come out on top.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    and i was

    by ag 721

    hoping for blu-ray to come out and topple HD but the porn stats dont lie.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    I don't think there will be a clear winner....

    by RevSick

    ...I think the price of combo players will come down and that's what people will do. I mean the cases are the exact same style and size I think it's going to be this way for the life of the format till HD download's take off.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD VS BLU_RAY

    by ObiWanCon

    From what I understand Beta-Max was better quality then VHS but VHS has could record longer and was cheaper so won the war so the argument that Blu-Ray is better quality doesn't really matter because HD-DVD is cheaper.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    This whole HD-DVD thing

    by ryan brookhart

    Harry... your numbers are all wrong. Blu-Ray's numbers are 60-40 to HD. It's just that simple. The one significant studio hold-out to Blu-Ray is (soon to be was) Universal. Video Business reported it is going "format neutral" before the end of the year. And anyone saying HD has a better picture is uninformed. I have both formats. They're both great. But the consumer has spoken and Blu-Ray is simply doing better. If anyone wants to make a really informed decision, go check out both formats in a store other than Best Buy. Or read The Digital Bits. But seriously, Harry... "545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray." That's called irresponsible reporting. Lastly, Blu-Ray players are backwards compatible and up-res too. Wow... you blew it on this one, man.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Porn is not just HD DVD.

    by Redfive!

    Porn is on Bluray as well.Plus good luck on finding the pirates,spiderman and all the pixar flicks on HD DVD=YOUR NOT.Plus if youve seen flicks like Pirates 1-2,Casino Royal and ones with Great transfers then you will know damn well that both formats are just about equal.But what HD DVD doesnt have is MORE STUDIO SUPPORT.Plus BR plays DvDs and upgrades them too.MAN PEOPLE ARE SO MISINFORMED.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Ryan...

    by RevSick

    ...Digitalbits covered that and Universal has said they are not going Blu-Ray anytime in the future, that they are supporting HD-DVD only. Also, people really shouldn't use Disney as an example of who will win as they refused to go to DVD for quite some time so I wouldn't really count them as a winning scratch on the scoreboard.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    go neutral!

    by advocatos diaboli

    harry, at a liberally cheap $20 a disc, 9000 dvd's should've cost you $180,000. what's $500, then, on a ps3 that will give you access to THAT MANY MORE high-def movies...

  • May 30, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    blu-ray outselling HD

    by FakePlasticGuava

    only because they've been handing out coupons for free movies when you buy players. also, i wonder if they're counting ps3 games in that tally or just movies. in any case, hd to win because the players are cheaper. i'm a college student and even i can afford an hd player (to go with my xbox 360)

  • May 30, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Here is what will decide it:

    by pjdon

    the general public. The ones who don't care that much about quality or any of that stuff.<p>In a year or two when they need a new DVD player they will go into a shop and see a HD-DVD player that also plays their original DVDs. It has a similar name to DVD and it also contains the initials HD which will match the HD TV they own.<p>They won't research it they will just go for the cheapest and most familiar choice. The early obtainers will not decide this as they are the rich people who know the facts.<p>Blu-ray just sounds too different to people who feel like it was only yesterday DVD came along. HD-DVD is simply an upgrade to what they already have.<p>Betamax proved that the technical side does not matter to the average consumer.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Another thing.

    by Redfive!

    Porn is so different now then it was back in the 80s,Fact is the internet is the number one place for porn,not video and people are still being embarrased to buy porn even these days.Point being porn will NOT be the deciding factor in this war like the way it was back in the VHS/BETA days. Plus who need to see Pimples and bleached ass's in HD?

  • May 30, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    this whole HD-DVD thing

    by ryan brookhart

    Oh, and this crap about "porn choosing HD over Blu-Ray?" Again, where do you people GET this? Sony has NOT locked out porn from this format. Period. Disney, who uses a certain replication plant, will not allow porn to be pressed out in those facilities. BUT... Blu-Ray porn already exists on Japan. Blu-Ray burners are out there, clearly. Oh... and not to burst these know-it-alls bubbles, but the PS3 does not account for the surge in Blu-Ray sales. BECAUSE the install base is too small!!!

  • May 30, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    my two shiny pennies...and a crisp dollar bill

    by tmifune78

    I can't imagine anyone crunching the HD numbers and not coming up with a reasonable conclusion. And this isn't heading where people will think. Yes, Blu-Ray had outsold HD-DVD on a 3 to 1 margin throughout the first of the year but it doesn't take Dr. Manhattan to figure out that the sales were inflated by the sudden installed base of PS3s (still disappointing by VG next-gen hardware standards) which has since leveled off. Warner Brothers recently claimed 100,000 thousand HD discs sold for 'The Departed' with a 60/40 ratio in favor of Blu-Ray...yet this was BEFORE the fairly sizable Toshiba promotion that has jetted the HD-DVD A2 player to the top of several hardware sells lists. This promotion by Toshiba is extremely savvy as this is a nation dictated by price...a nation ruled by Wal-Mart if you will. By the end of June, don't be surprised to see HD-DVD software sales take over Blu-Ray...in fact I'll go one further by guaranteeing that HD-DVD software WILL outsell Blu-Ray going into July. Concerning studio support and the respective formats library, this also needs a bit of scrutiny to peek through the smoke and mirrors. Yes, Blu-Ray has more studio backing with exclusive support from Disney, Fox and Lions Gate which earlier in the year might have meant something - but Fox has pulled most of their upcoming catalog titles off the schedule with key releases few and far between and Disney has yet to announce any animation titles (which would be a HUGE selling point) and certainly Pixar has yet to commit. HD-DVD exclusive studio Universal, however, has a strong slate of catalog titles announced through the Fall. The Weinsteins are also HD-DVD exclusive meaning whatever happens to Grindhouse will fall exclusively on this format as well. Also, remember that rumor about Wal-Mart ordering two million players from a Chinese manufacturer? From Bentonville, Arkansas's mouth to Gods ears, expect to see those players by November for under $200. Only a very naive fanboy would predict Blu-Ray the clear winner at this stage in the game.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    LOTR

    by SwiftCrusader

    What is LOTR going to come out on? Despite the fact that I already have the regular and EE, I will def. buy an HDDVD version since it will just be so much better. I also like that most of my HD-DVD's have both an HD and regualr version in case Blu-ray does win out.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    EXCALIBUR

    by Sir Loin

    Agreed, it's a top-5 80's film epic that can't be missed. Saw it in 1981 in LA and it was awesome. Can't wait to see it via HD-DVD.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    FakePlasticGuava

    by Heresy

    You realize that Toshiba is giving away 10 free movies with their POS player now? Not that it matters since the free movies DO NOT COUNT in the movie sales numbers (and neither do games since.....they're games not movies.)

  • May 30, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I work with toshiba

    by wadi77

    Thanks Harry! Call us, we'll talk about the next deal...

  • May 30, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Facts instead of nonsense

    by lotusblade

    HD-DVD is coming out with 51GB disc (one more GB than BD, take that bitches!) It will be available right at the sametime Disney goes neutral. The disc is all that is holding Disney back. <p> HD-DVD software sales showed strong signs with the Matrix Trilogy sales. <P> PS3 sales are slowing, and software sales still are no where near as strong as HD-DVD. In the most important category to most companies: Attachment ratio. HD-DVD kills BD in this category. In addition the Toshiba units by themselves outsell every manufacturer of BD combined by nearly 3 to 1. <p> WalMart is still in negotiations about their upcoming HD-DVD player (August). The initial offer was something like 6 million players which were to be sold at $199. WalMart says they want the number at $149. So if that deal does go through....Target will soon be making their own deal. <p> The result? $149 HD-DVD players for the masses. At around the same time Sony will have their $499 BD player out. If HD-DVD does get in Walmart and Target at that price point... the war is over.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    I don't think that it will ever become mainstream....

    by seanny_d

    As Jon said, the general public cares more about not having to rewind and having a small disc than about picture quality and sound. <p>I've had a number of people use my widescreen TV and surround sound system and completely butcher the presentation, despite the fact that they all genuinely love movies. They keep the sound on analog instead of going Dolby Digital. They don't even know what DTS is let alone whether or not to look for it. The picture quality is clear enough and you can easily make out everything that's happening on screen. They don't NEED that extra boost. On top of that, most people don't have the capacity to get the most out of their discs. Despite the fact that HD is growning, people have large libraries of completely untapped potential because they are just now upgrading their displays. <p>People like most of us, the truly hardcore seem to be reluctant to jump on the bandwagon. Personally, I think that HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray will both go way of the Laserdisc. Both satisfactory in their own right but never become more than just niche formats.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Harry, that pissed me off!

    by RobSOS

    I've been visiting this site for a long frickin' time, and that really pisses me off, Harry. The fact that you picked HD-DVD is beside the point -- the fact that you're betting on a lot of people reading this website on a whim will take your opinion as their own -- well, that's just shitty. And, to top it all off, a lot of your stats are wrong.<p> First, HD-DVD has 213 titles as of 5/29. Not 545. And Blu-Ray has 246 as of 5/29. Read http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates_historical.html and http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates_historical.html for the complete lists.<p> And as far as porn goes, you're also totally wrong. Porn will be on both formats, and furthermore, shouldn't even be an issue. How many people actually buy porn anymore anyway? The only reason the porn industry was such a factor when it came to the Beta vs. VHS war was because there was no other way to get it in your own house. With the advent of the little thing called the Internet, the porn industry picked both, and even if they had chosen a side, who wants to see the bumpy pimpled ass of those chicks anyway, in hi-def no less?<p> On the aforementioned HD-DVD/Blu-Ray website, read some of the reviews. There is a negligible difference as far as the quality goes. And, the fact that all of the studios except Universal are making movies on Blu-Ray, well, as far as the future goes, well, it sure looks like Blu-Ray has the advantage there.<p> As far as upconversion goes, current updates to Blu-Ray can do this as well. Thanks for pointing out something they both can do.<p> What I'm trying to point out, Harry, is that the reasons you picked HD-DVD over Blu-Ray seems to be flawed. And to answer your next question, yes, I do have a PS3, but I will be purchasing an HD-DVD unit in the next three months, so I don't really care who wins. My point is that you should make your opinions known, sure, but don't try to sway people based on your "filmmaker friends" or your incorrect stats or whatever.<p> Why don't you say that the reason you picked up HD-DVD is because that's what Grindhouse, Hot Fuzz and The Bourne Ultimatum will be on, because Universal is HD-DVD only? Good luck with trying to get Cars, or any of the Pirates movies, or Spider-Man 3 on HD-DVD. Yep, Blu-Ray has their exclusives, too.<p> So yeah, an unbiased opinion would be nice every now and then. No offense, Harry, but you're wrong, not for your opinion, but for your uneducated tirade.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    doesnt SONY own the rights to Blu-ray technology?

    by themidnighter23

    that alone should tell people to not back Blue-ray

  • May 30, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    hey tmifune78 from a "naive fanboy"

    by ryan brookhart

    THis "naive fanboy" who works in the video industry would like to tell you Pixar and Disney are one in the same at this point. IF you had a Blu-Ray player you'd see how far Disney/Pixar has committed to the format in the coming attractions in front of the Pirates films. Not to mention... have you actually read the list of titles coming from Disney? Did you know Universal is going format nuetral this year? No?

  • May 30, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    There is already a LG hybrid player

    by major_tom_aint_dead

    as seen anounced in each fan film from StarWars.com. Or can be seen here: http://gadgetaholic.com/content/view/31/1/ It´s pricey, though. Personally I think that the format player who is compatible with the existing format should prevail: ridiculous to throw away a fine DVD collection just for the sake of "hi definition".

  • May 30, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    People may pick Blu-Ray precisely because -

    by Laserbrain

    - it *doesn't* sound like what they've already got- DVD. Blu-Ray may appear to most to be something different and not merely an upgrade to old tech. And I don't know how Harry can make a choice without having a blu-ray player in his house to compare. Anyway, I don't give a fuck which format is ever-so-slightly superior in quality to the other- I just won't buy til the smoke clears.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    I just want to mock people that make the wrong choice.

    by tonagan

    That's all it boils down to for this petty, petty man.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Where's my buddy Mori? We both know NEITHER wins

    by chrth

    Downloadable Content FTW

  • May 30, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    If they hit 149 for players...

    by RevSick

    it will be all over, people will pay the extra 50 bucks for a good player as apposed to playing an extra 500 at the very least for one.

  • May 30, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    It's all speculation

    by tempurasama

    Until a "winner" emerge, it's all speculation. Each side will pick certain facts and opinions that will make it sound like their side is winning. BUT when you compiled all that together, Bluray simply has more. Certainly, there's always a wild card, and something can cause HD-DVD to come out on top. BUT it's unlikely. For now, Bluray looks like the winner.

  • May 30, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    NBC? TV on HD-DVD?

    by SwiftCrusader

    Since GE owns Universal and NBC, does that mean that shows like the Office, 30 Rock, and Heroes will be HD-DVD exclusive too? On the flip side, since Disney owns ABC, does that mean Lost will be Blu-ray exclusive? I know that Amazon is already offering Heroes as an HD-DVD set, but what about the others? TV on DVD could be a big market too besides just porn.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Heroes is coming out on HD-DVD

    by chrth

    Don't know if it's Exclusive, though.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Here is a thought... Won't they both lose?

    by modlight

    I'm not being snarky, but by the time these formats figure things out won't the iTV or Microsoft media boxes be able to download HD movies to peoples homes thus rendering both these formats usless? That is what I'm waiting for anyways. It won't be as cool to not have a nice shelf of well designed (and poorly designed) cases to show off, but what the hell. Actually I'm waiting for PS3, or as I call it my Grand Theft Auto Machine to go down in price then I'll have a blu-ray.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    "Facts instead of nonsense"

    by Heresy

    Not sure where to start since every "fact" you state is wrong...but here it goes.<br> There may or may not be 51GB HD-DVDs but it has NOT been aproved by the HD-DVD consortium and it will not play on any current hardware.<br> Both Pirates movies outsold the Matrix set.....yeah that really showed something for HD-DVD.<br> "Attachment ratio" is the favorite buzz words for HD-DVD too bad it means nothing when BR keeps outselling HD-DVD despite the "3 to 1" sales. <br> The Walmart rumor has been repeatedly disproved; the press release was poorly translated and now it looks like Walmart may actually be getting into bed with Blu-Ray (though not until next year some time.)<br> The result? You're clueless.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Wow, Redfive!

    by RobSOS

    Great minds think alike. I swear I didn't read your posts before I wrote mine. It's just funny that you worded things almost exactly the same as I did.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    My god Harry

    by King Psyz

    You really disapointed me... Way to buddy up to the ad gods... For fucks sake man. Listen the "war" won't be decided for quite some time. But Blu-Ray is looking to win. The arguments made against the format by you and some of the anti-sony drones in the talkback are either misinformed, plain wrong, or no longer valid. About the laser for Blu-Ray being more expensive, well both formats use a blue laser, and the cost has come down dramatically since inception and surge in demand. This will also drive down the price of the PS3s which will again surge the spike in Blu-Ray discs. The point about backwards compatibility has already been shot down, man did you get sold or what homie? The price point issue will work itself out too, HD-DVD hit before Blu-Ray and with the drop in price on lasers, look for cheap Blu-Ray players soon too. As to the Wal*Mart order of sub $200 HD-DVD, well that RUMOR was already shot down by both Wal*Mart and the supposed distributer. They addmitted Wal*Mart merely INQUIRED if it was possible for such an order to be filled and they never confirmed weather it was HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players either. Most importantly, is the movies. Disney pretty much calls it. While they might not be announced yet, Disney will most assuredly release their films on Blu-Ray and that along with FOX (aka Star Wars) means Blu-Ray won before it started. Way to go on getting a deal, but shame on you for the irresposnsible shilling and reporting man...

  • May 30, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray Can't Lose...

    by Mickguinness

    and for several reasons. For one, 7 out of the 8 major studios support blu-ray, most of them exclusively. You want spiderman when that is released? Only on blu-ray? Piarates? Same thing. And talking about Batman and The Matrix? Those are being released later this year on blu-ray as well. 2. When Universal's exclusive contract runs out they will be putting movies out on blu-ray as well. You can find articles all over the internet about that. 3. Blu-ray capacity is 50GB, HD DVD only 30GB. 4. While it may not be important to some, until recent models most HD DVD players and movies were only at 1080i, not 1080p. And if the techno world says 1080p is better than 1080i (which it is) people will simply buy what they are told is the best. 5. Sony is not the only backer of Blu-ray. They also have Samsung, Sharp, Panasonic, Hitachi (all of which are making BD players) and Apple is providing Blu-ray support now. and 7. BD players can be purchased for $500-600 this summer and by Christmas they will be at $200-300. Winner: Blu-ray.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    seanny_d is right, most people

    by pjdon

    don't even have there film playing at the correct ratio or sound settings. My sister for some reason accidently set the color really high and brightness really low on her TV and if I try and fix it for her she shouts at me and says it doesn't bother her. It's been like that for a year and I can't even bring myself to watch it. She also has a 4:3 tv and instead of watching DVDs in letterbox or even pan and scan she has them all squashed. Once again she won't let me change it because it doesn't bother her. <p>These are the type of people who make up the majority and they don't care about quality.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Heedgeek!

    by johne5

    I noticed the lack of DVD reports, and wanted to ask if you had seen the new (to me at least) Toho Master Collection DVDs? Gojira 2 disc, Godzilla v Mothra, etc? Made me drool when I saw I stumbled upon it in the South Austin Best Buy.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    modlight: precisely

    by chrth

    First music. Then games. Then movies. Downloadable Content FTW.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Harry Went Beta. How Amusing.

    by uss cygnus

    I bet he liked Jar-Jar too at first.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Couple of things...

    by RevSick

    One, GTA 4 is hitting Xbox 360 day and date with PS3 so your GTA machine has offically been reduced in price, heh. Two, there will always be a hard copy media format as most people are not savy enough to upgrade storage space in order to accomodate growing collections. I have no problem downloading tv shows but certain ones I will get a hard copy of so I don't have to worry about hard drive space. And I know how to change a hard drive, it's just too much hassel every time I get more movies to have to shuffle space so it's also more convenient. Untill they get the compression rates down to hold massive amounts of hi-def content on a single drive it's going to take awhile for the download services to take off.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    That post is a commercial

    by CQuest

    seriously. Everything Harry typed up there was a got damn commerical paid for by Toshiba or HD DVD or mircosoft or some stupid somebody. Harry then has the nerve to get the number of titles screwed and the fact that bluray can play your dvds as well. THe playstation 3 just released a new firmware that upscales your dvds. Bluray is easily the best format out of both, but thats irrelevant. I just cant let it escape how you basically wrote a commmerical here. Straight propagangda.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    this whole HD-DVD thing

    by ryan brookhart

    Hey modlight, In the end, even though I have both formats, you are ultimately right. Eventually downloadable content will win out. Not as fast as many predict, mind you. The consumer "trust" factor of downloadable film is really low overall. But that will change over time. My problem (with a lot of what I've read) in this talk-back is just how wrong so many people are on this subject. Too few have any idea how much storage space BD has... which, in the end, is all that really matters in terms of quality. On one end, I could care less who "wins." But what Harry started in this subject is a big black hole of ignorance that's sucking a lot of time and energy into a subject most of the talk backers know nothing about based on their comments. The best being the "inflated" numbers thing re: BD. That's laughable if you know the dismal numbers of the PS3.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Damn Playstation 3

    by Rupee88

    It is failing and it is hurting Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray has higher capacity, so it's better because of that. They look about the same. I'm sure that the HD-DVD ads on AICN have nothing to do with Harry's recommendation.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Educated evaluation from someone in the retail trenches

    by eyesonly54

    Hello, Harry. First off, I'd like to state that I love the site, and do not often feel the need to join talkbacks. I'm mainly a reader. Secondly, even though I will attempt to educate you on my research that I've performed in order to do my job better (as a Magnolia sales rep in my local Best Buy store) I am not categorically stating that Blu-ray will win. My personal opinion is that it will, but more on that later. I'll start by addressing your statements regarding HD DVD from the original article you wrote. HD DVD players are dipping in price. Mainly because Toshiba is the only one we're selling currently and nobody's buying them. (I'm still eagerly awaiting the LG HD DVD/Blu-ray hybrid.) Seriously, aside from an HD DVD Xbox attachment that I sold in January, I've only sold one actual player since before Christmas. Versus the 13 or so I've sold of Blu-ray (Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Pioneer Elite). Three of them to the same guy who I set up three rooms for. The $100 gift card you got was likely because we're having a problem trying to give these sums-a-bitches away. To your point of backward compatibility: Blu-rays will upconvert to, in most cases, 1080p. Which is a big difference from 1080i. Progressive viewing will generally look smoother than interlaced because you're actually getting a whole frame each time the screen refreshes. Not to mention 1080i is only giving you half a frame (every other one) each time the processor makes its pass. Read: 540 lines. 720p generally feels better on your eyes and gives you a much smoother image than the 540/540 double pass method. Especially with fast action. This is what causes you to see a blur when the Dirk passes the ball into the paint for Stackhouse to dunk the ball on Duncan. Currently, there are no 1080p HD DVD players even though there are 1080p discs. As to filmmakers preference, I don't quite understand why any filmmaker (myself included, being one who is trying to get their feet wet) would ever want someone to view their film on a format that is not all that it can be. To the "porn" industry question: It is true that there are a good majority of studios who are going HD, it's mainly because of cost, not because of Blu-ray "banning" porn. Vivid's announced a Blu-ray release, costs will drop, trends can change, and it doesn't really matter what format it's shot in, as long as it is an HD source. I think that it's a bit too early to call this argument. Besides, this time it might not be "porn" that's the deciding factor in this war. Several production studios have signed exclusivity rights with Blu-ray (which is not just a Sony creation unlike HD which was created by MS). Disney, Fox, Sony, Lionsgate and MGM have all signed exclusivity deals with Blu-ray while Warner and Paramount release to both formats. What this means is that in order to see Star Wars in High Def, you're gonna have to have Blu-ray. Indications that HD DVD is in trouble: Costs are dropping dramatically, and not in a good way. It's good for us, because this means Blu-ray will start to drop too. It already has, not good for HD DVD shareholders. Also, HD DVD is releasing a lot of movies now with "protect your discs future compatibility" by releasing sets with HD on one side and standard 480p on the other. I.E. so you can still play it on your future Blu-ray DVD player, though not in High Def. Some of my first hand observations beginning with quality: The reason some displays will have the appearance of providing a clearer picture on a particular format in the store have more to do with the actual TV than the connected player. HD DVD looks great on a 720p TV, on a 1080p, the TV's processor tries to overcompensate for the lines of resolution that were lost from the original source because the player can't process a full 1080p. I've seen the HD DVD connected to several full 1080p televisions, and frankly, they look like crap compared to the new displays which are now using Blu-ray. Best Buy, or at least my location, has completely changed over all their HD disk displays over to the Blu-ray format. Blu-ray disc sales have increased over 700% over the past six months, and I see it every day. There hasn't been an HD DVD to hit Amazon's top 10. Blu-ray got there with a movie that no one expected to be a blockbuster seller, Casino Royale. P.S. I also heard a rumor from my district's TV Calibration tech who is ISF (Imaging Science Foundation) Certified that he was at a conference and found out that due to to capacity of Blu-ray that MS was going to start putting software on Blu-rays.... Later, Chachi

  • May 30, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    I just bought the same player this weekend, Harry

    by odysseus

    We made the right choice.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Skip the LG Hybrid Player

    by Playhouse

    Go with the proposed Samsung model that's due to come out later this year. It is a true hybrid player in that it plays both formats and offers full support for iHD and BD-Java special features. The LG model is simply a BD machine that will let you watch the movies on HD DVD. You don't get any special features with it.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    hey eyesonly54

    by ryan brookhart

    THANK YOU. If you read my posts you'll see I've been screaming basically the less technical gospel you spelled out so well. Ryan =)

  • May 30, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Harry's evil plan backfired

    by Rupee88

    It sounds like if anything, this talkback is proving that Blu-Ray is better.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Harry you read my fucking mind. I bought one today!

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    I got the last one at my Best Buy today and picked up that very box set!!! I also picked up Batman Begins and Army Of Darkness. :-) <BR> Don't forget Harry if you go to Toshiba's website you can get 5 more movies for free for buying that player! <BR> And my 5 free choices were Sky Captain, Apollo 13, Constantine, U2 Rattle and Hum and The Perfect Storm. <BR> Go to this website Harry for the 5 free HD-DVDs http://tinyurl.com/2oxr76

  • May 30, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    BLU-RAY HAS ALREADY WON!!!!+1080i vs 1080p

    by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    1st 1080i vs 1080p...if you need a screen 50" or bigger go 1080p.... Anything smaller 1080i is fine, you can't tell the differance until you get past the 50" size tv's! 3 reasons Blu-ray already won!!! 1.Technical = The capacity of a dual layered Blu-Ray disc is, for now at least, 50GB. The capacity of a dual layered HD DVD disc is 30GB. Already we see that Blu-Ray has 66% more overall storage capacity than HD DVD. But it doesn't stop there; Sony has announced that layering a disc beyond dual layering is possible, allowing up to a 200GB capacity on a Blu-Ray disc with 8 layers.Supporters of HD DVD have claimed a primary strength of the format is on the production side, in that a DVD production line can be converted to an HD DVD production line "in 5 minutes." Also, the production of HD DVD discs is said to be around the same as that of current DVDs. While there is no response from the Blu-Ray camp about how long it would take a production line to "make the switch," Panasonic announced back in March of this year that production of Blu-Ray discs could have the same cost-per-disc price as current DVDs. Perhaps lower, even - remember that announcement about Blu-Ray discs made of paper from earlier this year? "The combination of paper material and printing technology is also expected to lead to a reduction in cost per disc and will expand usage," read the Sony press release. Likewise, Sony has developed a Blu-Ray mastering system requiring one fifth the space of current DVD mastering systems, that can also produce DVD masters. 2.Finacial = When it comes to corporate backing, that of Blu-Ray far exceeds that of HD DVD. Currently, the Blu-Ray Disc Association has over 70 members. Pinpointing exactly how many companies are members of the "HD DVD Promotion Group" is difficult, because they don't appear to have a homepage yet. The DVD Forum (over 220 members) has approved certain HD DVD standards, but saying they are all backing HD DVD is very misleading—the DVD Forum was established in 1997 for establishing standards and formats for DVD. Not HD DVD. A poster at the HD DVD booth during CEATEC JAPAN 2004 showed about 47 companies supporting HD DVD. But it's not just about how many companies are listed on some silly "supporter list," because as with most things these days, quality is more important than quantity. So who's behind Blu-Ray? In no particular order: Sony, Sharp, LG Electronics, Dell, HP, Kenwood, FujiFilm, JVC, Panasonic, Philips, Hitachi, Samsung, 20th Century Fox, and about 50+ other companies. Maybe a couple of those ring a bell? For HD DVD, familiar names include NEC, Toshiba, and Sanyo. Interestingly enough, most of the member companies on the HD DVD radar are media manufacturers, and are members of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD groups. One of the alleged primary backers of HD DVD (and member of HD DVD Promotion Group), Sanyo, even showed products at this year's CEATEC compatible with Blu-Ray. As you can see, the financial power of Blu-Ray Disc Association members simply dwarfs that of those behind HD DVD. I know what you're thinking right here, though: "Well didn't Microsoft announce the next version of Windows (Longhorn) would support HD DVD? Doesn't that mean they support HD DVD instead of Blu-Ray?" And you'd be right, about the announcement part at least. Microsoft may be a member of the DVD Forum (which as was explained earlier doesn't really matter), but their announcement of Windows support for HD DVD is just that - the OS will support the format. As you'd imagine, the financial backing of Microsoft to either format would give it an enormous advantage over its competitor. As I just said, though, Microsoft did not announce they would be backing HD DVD; they just said Windows will support it. There's no reason they couldn't come out tomorrow and say they'll also be supporting Blu-Ray. 3.Commercial None of what I just said matters if consumers can't buy movies or other content on the formats. As history has proven time and time again, new formats are driven by content - DVD (as a movie format) did not get popular by just "being there." Each producer had to make the decision to make the switch from VHS to DVD. Blockbuster had to make the switch from VHS to DVD, though they certainly took their sweet fucking time. All this is to say, without content, neither format is going anywhere. Blu-Ray is once again miles ahead of HD DVD in terms of scheduled content offerings. TEAM BLU-RAY Supporting Companies The Blu-ray Disc Association has member companies from the consumer electronics (CE), information technology (IT), media and software industries. The lists below include current members as well as applicants. For more information about the various membership levels and how to become a member, please refer to the the About Us section at the top of the screen. As of March 1, 2007 Board of Directors Apple, Inc. Dell HP Hitachi LG Mitsubishi Electric Panasonic Pioneer Philips Samsung Sharp Sony Sun Microsystems TDK Thomson Twentieth Century Fox Walt Disney Warner Bros. Contributors Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Almedio Inc. Alticast Aplix Corporation ArcSoft, Inc. AudioDev AB Broadcom Corporation Canon Inc. CMC Magnetics Corporation Coding Technologies GmbH Cryptography Research Inc. CyberLink Corp. DATARIUS Technologies GmbH Daxon Technology Inc. DCA Inc. Deluxe Media Services Inc. Dolby Laboratories Inc. DTS, Inc. Esmertec FUJIFILM Corporation Fujitsu Ltd. Funai Electric Co., Ltd. Gibson Guitar Corp. Imation Corp. InterVideo Inc. Kenwood Corporation Lenovo Lionsgate Entertainment LITE-ON IT Corporation LSI Logic MediaTek Inc. Meridian Audio Ltd. Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co.Ltd. Mitsui Chemicals Inc. Monster Cable Products Moser Baer India Limited NEC Electronics Corporation Nero Paramount Pictures Corporation Pixela Corporation Prodisc Technology Inc. Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd. Ricoh Co., Ltd. Ritek Corporation ShibaSoku Co. Ltd. Sigma Designs Inc. Silicon Integrated Systems Corporation Sonic Solutions Sonopress Sony BMG Music Entertainment ST Microelectronics Sunext Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd., Victor Company of Japan, Ltd. Visionare Corporation Zentek Technology Japan, Inc. ZOOtech Ltd. Zoran Corporation Members Adobe Systems Alpine Electronics Inc. Arima Devices Corporation ashampoo GmbH & Co. KG Atmel Corporation Bandai Visual Co. Ltd. BASF AG B.H.A. Corporation Bose Corporation B&W Group The Cannery Cheertek Inc. Cinram Manufacturing Inc. CustomFlix Labs, Inc. Custom Technology Inc. D&M holdings, Inc. Daewoo Electronics Corporation Daikin Industries, Ltd. Eclipse Data Technologies Elpida Memory, Inc. Expert Magnetics Corp. Fujitsu Ten Ltd. GalleryPlayer Media Networks Gear Software Global Machinery Co., Ltd. Hie Electronics, Inc. Hoei Sangyo Co., Ltd Horizon Semiconductor. IMAGICA Corp. INFODISC Technology Co., Ltd. Infomedia Inc. Intersil Corporation Iwatsu Test Instruments Kaleidescape, Inc. Kobe Steel Co. Ltd. Konica Minolta Opto Inc. Lauda Co. Ltd. Lead Data Inc. LEADER ELECTRONICS CORP Linn Products Ltd. LINTEC Corporation M2 Engineering AB MainConcept AG Mitsumi Electric Co., Ltd. Must Technology Co., Ltd. MX Production Services Netflix Inc. Newtech Infosystems Inc. NexWave Solutions Nichia Corporation Nikkatsu Corporation NTT Electronics Corporation nVidia Corporation OC Oerlikon Balzer AG Omnibus Japan Inc. Onkyo Corporation Online Media Technologies Ltd. Ono Sokki Co., Ltd. OPT Corporation Optodisc Technology Corporation Origin Electric Co., Ltd. Osmosys SA Pinnacle Systems Plannet Associates PoINT Software & Systems GmbH Pony Canyon Enterprise Primera Technology, Inc. Q-Tek, Inc. Quanta Storage Inc. Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Rimage Corporation Sanyo Electric Co., Ltd. Dr. Schwab Inspection Technology GmbH Singulus Technologies STEAG ETA-OPTIK GmbH Targray Technology International Inc. TEAC Corporation Teijin Chemicals Ltd. Texas Instruments, Inc. THX Ltd. Toei Video Company Ltd. Toho Company, Ltd. Toppan Printing Co., Ltd. TOPTICA Photonics AG Trailer Park UmeDisc Ltd. Yamaha Corporation Yokogawa Electric Corporation 1K Studios, LLC Recognize some of those? I thought so! VIVA-LA-BLURAY 4-EVER!!

  • May 30, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Harry, Shoulda Got the HD-A20

    by Playhouse

    It's essentially the HD-A2 but with 1080p output.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD: Tomorrow's Dinosaur

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    Forget it... there's no question. Blu-Ray will win. Among the zillion different half-truths, misinformed rumors and outright lies I read in posts above, I have to point out a few things: <p> 1) Porn has not been "banned" from the Blu-Ray format.<p> 2) The Matrix Trilogy won't be a huge factor - it will also be on Blu-Ray by the end of the year.<p> 3) Blu-Ray players DO play DVDs, and upgrade them just as HD-DVD does.<p> 4) Say whatever you want about Sony creating losing formats; They have studio support from all of the majors except Universal, who is the ONLY HD-DVD-only holdout and only has so many cards up its sleeve - mostly Spielberg movies and some TV shows. That's about it. <p> 5) Yes, PS3s account for a large part of Blu-Ray unit ownership, but where is all the HD-DVD support from X-Box?? They have the capability to rival Blu-Ray numbers if they want, but why aren't they?<p> 6) Yes, Wal-Mart is trying to get the prices down on HD-DVD players, and deals are being signed with lower-brand HD-DVD machine manufacturers to get cheaper players out on the market, but that's actually not such a great thing for the brand-name manufacturers. They'll have to compete by selling their machines at a loss, which was a huge step back for the initial DVD-manufacturing economy. HD just can't seem to wait to make the same mistake. <p> Plus, even if these idiot Wal-Mart shoppers (read: lower-middle class families without the patience to look into the format debate) do decide to buy an HD-DVD player just because it's cheaper, they're going to be pissed off when they find out they won't be able to buy Disney movies, Pixar movies, the Alien movies, the Die Hard movies, the Star Wars movies or the James Bond movies (that's the short list) on their new HD player. <p> Pretty it up all you want, HD-DVD-fans, but just be aware of one thing: Your format owes its entire existence to Universal's loyalty. The minute they decide to release on Blu-Ray as well, the format war is over. Blu-Ray will have all the cards. HD-DVD will be gone.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Don't forget Harry you get 5 free HD-DVDs

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Go to this website http://tinyurl.com/2oxr76 <BR> <BR>

  • May 30, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    You're welcome, Brookhart

    by eyesonly54

    Looks like TiNSeLToWN came in to back us up too.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    HD DVD Homepage

    by Playhouse

    thelookandsoundofperfect.com

  • May 30, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD is nothing next to Blu Ray

    by shwanzi

    I have both an HD-DVD player and a Blu Ray player, and whenever a title comes out that I'm interested in for both formats I ALWAYS purchase it for BR. Why? The picture clarity is 10x better and most of the discs have UNCOMRPESSED AUDIO. Take "Dune" for HD-DVD. Whenever there's a noght scene and a character walks by the camera there's always a ghosting effect that happens, like a streaky outline of the character, that stay on screen long after the character is out of frame. Watch the siege scene and whenever a Sardukar (sp?) runs by they always leave that ghost behind... sometimes 3 or 4 on top of each other that ends up covering the whole screen and making it impossible to see what else is going on in frame. Now take, say "Superman" for Blu Ray... lots of night scenes with action taking place... not one artifact to be found (and I've seen the HD version which in fact DOES have them). Perfect picture from front to back. Even "Underworld: Evolution" which takes place almost entirely at night is PERFECT. I'ave already heard that Blu Ray is in the lead due to massive sales of "Casino Royale" and the "Pirates of the Caribbean" films. I hope it wins because HD just doesn't cut it when you've spent $5k on a 52" 1080p LCD... especially when the firmware upgrades don't seem to work half the time ("Children of Men" anyone?).

  • May 30, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Lightstormer, you have no idea...

    by eyesonly54

    Almost all the HD DVD players sold in my BB store are sold at a loss at this point.... It's ridiculous. If it continues on this path, BB will likely pull it's support. They don't like to take a loss at all.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    hey eyesonly54

    by ryan brookhart

    I saw that with TiNSeLToWN. Yes, felt like a breath of fresh air! Good on ya.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray Mfrs Losing More Money Currently

    by Playhouse

    And for those talking about HD DVD manufacturers taking a loss to get product out on the market, Sony's done the same and worse with Blu-ray. They chopped the price on their initial players (and convinced Samsung and others to do the same) to compete with the lower priced HD DVD players. Toshiba was operating at a loss on the players to be first to market but Sony's taken a bigger deficit, especially in the wake of fewer PS3s on the market than they had budgeted and promoted. Yes, eventually there will be a flood of PS3s on the market but it's happening a lot slower than Sony had anticipated. So they are having to take a loss on the other players to get the Blu-ray name out on the market. Currently, Blu-ray manufacturers that are looking to directly compete with Toshiba and HD DVD are taking a wash (Panasonic has smartly - or not depending on how you look at it - chosen not to get into the price war with HD DVD and have held to their $1200 price tag so far.).

  • May 30, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    HD Vs. Blu Ray

    by NubtheSquirrel

    I seems that while Blu-Ray has Disney backing them, they might have whatever edge they claim to have. Ultimately, I think the winner will be whoever it is that gets Star Wars and/or Indiana Jones. That will be the deciding factor for this format war.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    We Sell More HD DVD

    by Playhouse

    I work with an internet retailer that offers both HD DVD and Blu-ray and our HD DVD players have easily outsold our BD players 10 to 1. All of the tests we've run between the two formats make us lean toward HD DVD also. The picture quality and faithful color reproduction stood out much greater than Blu-ray. I'm not counting Blu-ray out, but we've seen a preference for HD DVD in the market.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Shia Lebeouf vs. Tera Patrick

    by VaderSabre

    Does this mean we'll see reviews of upcoming HD releases of not only Transformers & Indy but AssMaster vol.66 as well? Way to go AICN!

  • May 30, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Mine's only 42"

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    So, I'm not buying any high definition DVD players for a while... Also, it looks like HD and Blu Ray are running neck and neck in releases. Don't know about PS3 games being counted or not but there has to be more than 60 releases for Blu-Ray. http://tinyurl.com/2rkqvo

  • May 30, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    you chose poorly, Harry....

    by lynxpro

    You stated that HD DVD is backwards compatible with DVD....well so is Blu-Ray. Then you state that "porn" has chosen HD DVD, but Vivid is supporting Blu-Ray. All the major Hollywood studios are backing Blu-Ray except for Warners because Warner Home Video holds plenty of patents along with Toshiba on DVD and they hope to continue that portfolio with HD DVD while the rest of the consumer electronics companies have sided with Sony to extinguish the continuation of that patent portfolio by backing Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray discs also have better scratch resistant coating than HD DVD (or DVD discs), and they also hold much more data. You claim that HD DVD titles look better than Blu-Ray titles, yet that is continuing the same tired schticht regarding older Sony titles sticking with the MPEG-2 codec instead of transitioning to H.264 AVC MPEG-4 (which Fox has used on some Blu-Ray titles like *X-3*) or Microsoft's VC-1 codec which HD DVD universally uses. If HD DVD is going to win, then there'd be more manufacturers pushing it besides Toshiba. If you are picking the format based upon prior format wars, you are backasswards because it is Toshiba that is in the "Sony Betamax" position, and not the other way round. Plus, if Toshiba wasn't receiving Microsoft monopoly bucks to subsidize/stabilize them [Toshiba], they wouldn't be selling their players at such an extreme loss-leader. I'm sorry, but HD DVD is going down as this generation's version of the Circuit City DIVX DVD format, which also aggressively cut prices on its way out the door to obsolescence. Fact is, you paid $100 more than you needed to just to get a DVD upscaling deck. Suffice to say, if you were choosing which cup was the holy grail, my money wouldn't be riding on you!

  • May 30, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    You sell more HD-DVD?

    by sizzler

    It's hard to believe you have seen a preference for HD-DVD in market with the way BD is kicking its ass in disc sales. Have you seen any Neilsen sales data? It took 3 months for BD to obliterate HD-DVD's disc sales lead. BD has held no less than a 60-40 sales advantage every month since the beginning of the year and currently since inception its 57-43 in favor of BD.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    continuing, this is like Herc with D-VHS

    by lynxpro

    'Nuff said.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    blu ray is a step ahead hd dvd is old red laser tech

    by skiff

    wow harry wait till the new cheaper blu ray players hit this fall. Don't be sucked in bluray is the way to go. hd dvd is a step back

  • May 30, 2007, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Looks like Harry edited his article

    by HIGH DEF JEFF

    Removed those incorrect HD-DVD and Blu-Ray catalog numbers and removed the bit about porn only releasing on HD-DVD. I'm interested to know which filmmaker friends said HD-DVD is the correct format to go with. This whole article reads like a commercial.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I smell a rat here!

    by RobMota

    Don't you find it strange that Harry picked HD DVD? This website has advertisement for HD DVD and now harry all of a sudden discovered that HD DVD is the choice. This is all bullshit. i bet Toshiba gave him a player and a nice check to push the format. The point is that Pioneer makes Blue Ray player that is better than the others and with the combination of a Pioneer Elite Plasma tv you are going to get a hell of a picture. I have seen both formats on a lot of different tvs, from LCDs to Plasma and DLP and all of then give you a different picture. All look good but on some sets they just shine. The deciding factor is sells. In the end it does not matter which format is the best. In the end is how many HD DVDs and Blue Ray Disk will sell and which one will out sell the other. So to rap things up, Harry was bought, the format wars is really about money and no one knows what the hell is going to happen.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I think VHS will make a comeback.

    by wackybantha

    Just you wait and see.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Lightstormer, amateur flamer...

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>I quote: &quot;Plus, even if these idiot Wal-Mart shoppers (read: lower-middle class families without the patience to look into the format debate<span class=GramE>) &quot;</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal>Nice. <span class=GramE>Very nice.</span></p>

  • May 30, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    INFOMERICAL!! INFOMERICAL PLANT PLANT

    by CQuest

    we all see it harry. you are got damn plant on your own site. the wording...its not even all YOU. its completely obvious you are being a planet for a couple bucks. UGH!!!

  • May 30, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    RCA Selectavision discs will return and p0wn you all!

    by The Ghost of Scrappy Doo

    I laugh at your petty HD DVD vs Blue Ray bitch fest. Didn't you see Back to the Future part 2? Remember the alleyway with all the trash compacted laser discs and CDs? You did not see one crushed Selectavision disc in the discard pile, did you? The grooved black video disc record will dominate! Smash out.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Just wait until you have to start boiling HD-DVD discs

    by sizzler

    To get them to work. Hey maybe I can come out with a standalone disc boiler and sell it on QVC.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I don't want to see porn in HD

    by jimmy_009

    Nasty.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I don't want to see porn in HD

    by jimmy_009

    Nasty.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Hey Dumbshit Harry... Vivid is with Blu-Ray

    by Zone Daiatlas

    Vivid the #1 Adult Entertainment is releasing movies for Blu-Ray. Digital Playground and LFP Video Group has partnered with New Media Adult Entertainment for BLU-RAY! It's almost over as Blu-Ray has overwhelming support for Hollywood, Consumer Electronics Giants and more importantly the consumers. Whoever told you the quality of HD-DVD is better then Blu-Ray needs to stop swallowing the goo from Bill Gates. Blu-Ray is codevelope by Apple Computers and any smart consumer should follow them on new Technology then Microsoft and 1 exclusive Movie Company. The best of luck for you and your HD-DVD player as I will be watching STAR WARS, Spiderman and other exclusives on Blu-Ray...

  • May 30, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    obviously a PLANT

    by CQuest

    harry sold out a long time ago

  • May 30, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    $ony formats generally fail

    by The_Boo

    The only format that they've introduced that has continued to be used by the average consumer is the CD which they co-created with a number of companies. Their business model is extremely flawed and as such they tend to fail. In recent years the minidisc, SACD, and UMD have all failed to catch on, sure they may have more market share on Blu-Ray now, but that's because of hardcore gamers that shelled out to pickup a PS3 at christmas. Yes the PS2 helped usher in the era of DVD, but the competing format was clearly inferior and over 20 years old. Surveys have shown that the average "ignorant" consumer is more likely to pick up HD-DVD simply because of the name, but both products are still very much in the bleeding edge, early adopter phase. Most people don't even own an HDTV yet. When making your arguments look at who posts on this site, we are not the average viewer, we are the geeks and care about picture quality. I'm sure many of us have bought and installed surround sound systems in our parent's homes (those of us that have actually moved out) because they "need" to have it for the experience. Format wars are run by grandmothers that don't know how to pick out this equipment, they buy Nintendo because it's a name they know, not because it's necessarily what their grandkid asked for. It's gonna be another few years before we'll have an answer and I for one am holding off until either a final blow is made or I can get a dual format player for under $200.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    those "facts" are wrong...

    by lynxpro

    And I quote from Harry: "there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray. That's nearly getting close to 10 to 1 in terms of selection. AND - a lot of Reg DVDs are beginning to master in higher resolutions - like I'm watching a reg. DVD that was actually mastered at 1080i, that I had seen in my other player - and now... it's just perfect." Wrong. The title count currently is 202 titles on HD DVD and 233 on Blu-Ray, and that is even with HD DVD having a several months released lead on Blu-Ray. http://tinyurl.com/2x4zdt Furthermore, DVDs have been "mastered" for several years off HD source master copies. One of the first transfers to do so was Oliver Stone's *The Doors* from a 1080i source nearly a decade ago. What next... Xbox360 shilling? Postings telling us that the Zune is going to eclipse the iPod? If I wanted krap like that, I'd stick to Digg for my online entertainment news.

  • May 30, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Smash Drama

    by The_Boo

    I totally have one of those, best $30 I ever spent. Got all the Rocky movies Star wars and a James Bond flick with it.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    No need for a format war.

    by Happyfat73

    The consumer climate has come a long way since the VHS/Beta war. There is room in the market for both Blu Ray and HD DVD.</p> Heck, if playstation and X-box can co-exist, why not these formats?

  • May 30, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    The_Boo

    by lynxpro

    Uhm, not only did Sony do a lot of work at creating the CD format, they also had a hand in creating DVD. Betamax may have been squashed in the consumer market but it has been the standard used amongst the international broadcast industry ever since. As for your claim that "HD DVD" a better name when it comes to consumers, think again. Blu-Ray sounds cool and is easy to remember, like say "iPod" versus the Sansa EF321-2000FRM EXTREME whatever MP3 player, or the V-IIIIIIIIIsdxfrPT naming convention of BMW.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Sorry Harry, your numbers are way off

    by Susumu Kodai

    "545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue Ray. That's nearly getting close to 10 to 1 in terms of selection" Sorry Man, there may be 545 HD DVD titles if you count all the repeat foreign releases, but there are more titles out on BD today than HD DVD, and the market is at an ever expanding 68-42 split (2-4% a week expanding gap on average) As of today, there are 247 BD releases in the US vs 228 HD DVD, including announced discs. Given that 60% of the movies ever made are exclusive to BR, along with 5 of the 8 major studios, and 10% or under exclusive to HD DVD, BD will pull away rapidly. It's over, it's been over since before it started "The only format that they've introduced that has continued to be used by the average consumer is the CD which they co-created with a number of companies" As was the DVD. And Blu-Ray is a collaboration with pretty much the entire industry except Toshiba. Only the disc structure is direct from Sony, the entire software and hardware side, with the exception of the AVC flavor of MPEG-4 comes from non-Sony companies.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Who the fuck wants high-definition PORN?!?

    by godoffireinhell

    I can do without crystal clear genital warts and surgery scars, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

  • May 30, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    CatVutt and HVD...

    by lynxpro

    Sorry, but HVD is for industrial applications. The players are projected at costing $10k. To wait out for that is absurd. You are looking at a 15 year window before it becomes affordable for the consumer.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    That sounded like a press release.

    by moogu2

    You pulled off that press release about as well as Michael Imperioli delivers his lines in that HD-DVD commercial. I'm sure you already know that blu-ray can play DVDs just like HD-DVD and they both can upconvert them. Also both formats now use the same compression scheme and on dual format releases they look identical. Factor in the increased disk space on Blu-ray releases you will start to see better looking Blu-ray movies. (some of the earlier disks used Mpeg2) Also your comment about the total number of sold disks is completly wrong.. right now Bluray has more disks available than HD-DVD, and that is after a head start from HD-DVD. The disk are outselling HD-DVD disks as well. Clearly you have stupid film maker friends because choosing HD-DVD at this point is choosing the losing format. You're going to feel stupid in a year when you have to buy a blu-ray player in addition to your now obsolete HD-DVD player. How much did Toshiba give you for this half-assed press release?

  • May 30, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Universal gave Harry money for more candy bars...

    by Chrighton

    ...that's what it sure smells like. All the misinformation and bull makes it, what, the twentieth time Harry and this site have jumped the fucking shark? Can one sound any more like an HD-DVD shill in the face blatant lies and denial? First, it's spelled BLU-RAY, and not *BLUE-RAY*, maybe if you stop inhaling candy bars, you might inhale a fact or two sometime (As well as some clueless posters) 1) There are more blu-ray titles out, and blu-ray titles are outselling hd-dvd significantly, week to week (eproductwars). 2) Blu-ray players play DVD as well, and upscale them too. 3) Porn also supports Blu-ray - Vivid entertainment says hi, you perv. 4) Weinstein Company isn't HD-DVD exclusive, they publically stated they'd support HD-DVD first, and Blu-ray later in 2007. That makes Universal the only exclusive holdout - and not for long. Their exclusivity contract is over. 5) Games and freebies are NOT COUNTED BY NIELSEN. If that was the case, Toshiba would be miles ahead in the counts, between the vouchers from them and stores, you could have scored as many as *9* free HD-DVD films. Some retards here for some reasons bring up PS3 and "vouchers" as a reason Blu-ray is ahead. Um, No. They don't count, they never did, and Nielsen never did track them. 6) Matrix is coming to Blu-ray as well. 7) No Disney on HD-DVD. You think parents will be happy to buy HD-DVD because they have a few exclusive Universal movie titles, while 80 to 90% of Hollywood is supporting Blu-ray? 8) No Pirates of the Carribean or Spiderman on HD-DVD. That's what people want now, and they ain't getting it on HD-DVD. That's gotta hurt, Gene.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Robin Hood

    by RokurGepta

    was filmed in good ol' Bidwell Park right here in Chico Party Town California

  • May 30, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Wow, new low for AICN....and that's saying A LOT.

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Harry's "facts" are anything but. Blu-ray has more storage capacity, hence more quality due to less compression. It also has more studio support.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Harry, I would have just been safe and bought

    by Datascream

    the players that play both HD-DVD and Blue-Ray. Ya know...for the kids.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    blu ray is a step forward hddvd is old red laser tech

    by skiff

    cheaper blu ray players coming this fall can't wait. don't get sucked in by hd dvd bluray is almost twice as fast off the disc and will be able to hold 200 gig.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Excellent Choice Harry!!

    by LeviDTinker

    I agree HD DVD is the way to go, i just upgraded to HD DVD last month, i was at walmart and they had a RCA HDV 5000 for 225 dollars plus tax, and they also had a phillips bluray disc player for 400. since i had never seen a blueray or hddvd for that price, i decided this was the time to upgrade, they only had 2 more of the HDDVD players in stock and about 5 of the blurays so i put both on my credit card, with the thought, i would take upto 30days that i have to make a return to decide which format i liked better, now neither one of these deals included free movies but hey at 225 dollars for hd or 400 for bluray it didnt really matter ( by the way this is the walmart on crenshaw and King in baldwin hills ca) i got both players home and immediately orderd some hddvd and bluray films off of blockbuster online, 2 days latter i got my first titles. first off you cant make your decision based off standing infront of a instore display. neither format is done any justice in this type of setting. it didnt even take me 3 days to decide that hddvd was the format i wanted to stick with, to me the picture and sound was just more to my likeing, i had both hooked up to my toshiba DLP Projector which is in HD. and the sound was truer and crisper again to me in the HDDVD format. also the in movie experience is truly very exciting. i know bluray titles are suppose to have this feature now, but guess what one day is not today, and hddvd has that feature today. now iam not goin to bash bluray i can see why alot of people prefer it over hddvd, i would have about as much luck trying to convince someone who allready owns a bluray and prefers it, as someone would have trying to convince me that bluray is better. i am watching my new copy of dragon heart on hddvd right now and let me just say oh my god, its even more beautiful picture and sound wise than it was in the theatres. harry let me make some suggestions on titles to check out Van helsing- possibly the HDDVD picture ive seen so far, the resolution especially on the opening scene with the black in white will make your jaw drop. Sky Captian is another great title for its picture resolution and sound. sleepy hollow has a incredible soundtrack and picture resolution the thing looks spectacular in HDDVD aswell the road warrior, for a 20 plus year old movie you cant tell it from the picture, it looks like it was easily made a few years back. other titles that look great on hddvd are Mission Impossible 3 Last samurai King Kong V for Vendetta Charlie and The Chocolate Factory SwordFish Miami Vice Troy March of the penguins harry one word of advice, the players usually dont come with the latest firmware so i would update your firmware asap, especially if you try to watch universal titles like miami vice or king kong or fast and the furious. ive built up a great library of about 65 hddvd titles in the last month now, thanks to ebay ive gotten some great deals well below cost on there. so definately check it out i think the idea of a format war is stupid i honestly dont see why both movie formats cant exsist like the videogame consoles do. both formats have there supporters, and for the person who said universal was going format nuetral, you are wrong, universal denied that and reaffirmed in a press release recently that they are commited fully to HDDVD. and if anyone wants to see it i do have both reciepts from the bluray and hddvd players i got at walmart. honestly if there is a format war it will come down to the lowest cost player. and with 199 hddvd players just around the corner and name recognition hddvd will most likely ultimately win, and if not dont forgot HDDVD is region free and you can play imported hddvds on any hddvd player.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    I'm not making a move...

    by beamish13

    until Criterion announces which format they'll be supporting. All I care about is seeing "Berlin Alexanderplatz" in the format that the greatest DVD label in the world thinks is best for it.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    I have both

    by jae683

    But I get a kick out of all the Sony shills coming on here bitching. As if it was a personal affront that you didn't pick their format. lol I prefer the HD-DVD's picture quality too. If I were you Harry, I'd get on Amazon UK and pick up the Fog and the Elephant Man. Oh yeah, and Goblet of Fire looks amazing.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Hey, Skiff

    by jae683

    That's funny, I heard the same thing about HD-DVD. Cheaper players on the way, and higher storage capacity's.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Yeah jae683...

    by moogu2

    we must be shills if we think this HD-DVD press release is just some guys opinion. It's one thing to have an opinion.. it's another to spread obvious misinformation. Just an FYI- I have not bought into either format until there is a clear winner.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    "but most of my filmmaker friends"

    by CQuest

    that line is fuckin KILLING me right now. dude is not just name dropping, he is INDUSTRY dropping. "well because they have it, YOU must have it too!!"

  • May 30, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Headgeek has chosen the Foreman Grill...Here is why

    by CQuest

    Hi Guys! Ever want an exciting tasty piece of meat but you dont have enough time to make it? Well now you do, with George Foremans Grill! You can watch a movie and grill at the same time! All of my fat friends agree, Foreman grill is where its at. Just prop it up so the grease doesnt leave, you know how much I like grease

  • May 30, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    moogu2 ...

    by jae683

    What, Harry doesn't have an opinion? He bought a player and he likes it. If you don't have either format then it shouldn't matter one way or the other.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I agree Jae

    by LeviDTinker

    jae683 your right the goblet of fire looks impressive on hddvd. iam still looking for the elephant man, i borrowed the french import from a friend at work, and it looked amazing. iam going to borrow his imported hd dvd copy of terminator 2 over the weekend i cant wait to check that one out. terminator3 rise of the machines is incredible in hddvd so i can only imagine how judgement day looks.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Right...

    by moogu2

    it doesn't matter, but it would be nice for someone who runs a supposed "influential" website such as this to try to remain partial. He is allowed to have his own opinion, but maybe next time he could actually do a little research using this magical information superhighway... instead of watching an HD-DVD commercial and waddling over to walmart.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    The fact is that this is still basically laserdisc.

    by CatVutt

    And it pretty much dooms both formats. And yes, I'm fully aware of the initial public projected apps of HVD. There's going to be a major shift in that target, and the costs are going to plummet. There's simply no impetus whatsoever for me to upgrade to what are not vastly superior formats and are certainly not more versatile formats, since I've got wall-mounted HDTV/DVD combo units in the bedroom and kitchen with no such HD-DVD or Blu-Ray device even being mentioned at this point. And there's just way too many people like me who will be early-adopters when it's cool enough to do so, despite the cost, but not when it's just damned silly.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    The Searchers

    by JackSmack

    Get "The Searchers" on HD DVD, Harry, get "The Searchers." It will have the same impact on you as "The Adventures of Robin Hood." The VistaVision transfer to HD DVD is eye-boggling.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Today isn't April Fools Day

    by AlwaysThere

    So why post this joke of an article? Fuck the AVSForum, btw.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    I can't believe

    by Varakor

    People still pay money for porn. It's so readily available, why the fuck would anyone care if its on either format?

  • May 30, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    VHS, bitches

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    watching a bad movie (let alone the unmitigated garbage that's on TV these days) on an ultra-high-def format does not improve the quality of what you're watching.

  • May 30, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Varakor.

    by CatVutt

    I don't think anyone really does. I think it's all sarcasm at this point. Anyone who does care is probably not terribly likely to be a marketable consumer.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Also, why are you spreading lies?

    by AlwaysThere

    This sites credibility has been non-existant for a while now and it's been hammered home with your inclusion on the HD DVD payroll. I guess a few dollars here and there gives you the ability to lie about jerkoff material and the actual number of titles that have been released for Blu-ray.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    shouldnt you own one or the other before you bash one

    by LeviDTinker

    i find it funny when people who havent even tried EITHER format in there own home try to say that bluray is better. if you think its better, from actual in home experience then i respect your opinon, but if your saying it cause some sales person at bestbuy said it was better when you were standing infront of the in store display for all of 10 mins, then i think your a fool. like i said standing infront of instore display doesnt do ANY HOMETHEATRE SETUP JUSTICE. this goes for Bluray HDVD DVD also for televison and projectors as well. want to hear a funny story, when i was trying to decide which DLP projector i wanted for my home theatre last year i went to best buy, they had 2 projectors they were demonstrating instore, the one i ended up buying(the toshiba) and a sony. they had the sony one setup in there room where they have the surround sytems setup where they could leave the lights off and enable a great picture. and the toshiba set up in area where the lights couldnt be turned off, the sales person kept saying to me see how much better the sonys picture resolution is,(keep in mind the sony was in a darkend area the toshiba in regular floresent lighting) when i said well yeah of course the sony looks better the way your displays are set up, the idiot had no response. i walked out the door and went to another store one where they had several projectors set up properly in dark theatre type enviorments and guess what one of those was the toshiba i saw at best buy and the sony and guess what side by side i preferd the toshiba, so i bought it.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    I love all of these little battles.

    by RainJacket

    Format wars, fanboy reactions, a few genuinely sane arguments. It really does get my blood pumping. But, then, I look into my bank account and realize I can't even afford to by any more regular DVDs let alone anything new. Not like it matters. Thanks to the garbage television I have, any greatness from the new format would be pretty much negated. I should've been a scientist. I'll bet scientists can afford all sorts of things.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    HD, Blu-ray, She Loves Me, She Loves Me Not . . .

    by Dersu

    Some time ago, I had read an article that claimed that HD-DVD was winning the format war. Then not long after that, I read some articles that claimed Blu-ray was winning. I also spoke to someone who was into technology and they also claimed Blu-ray and would probably win and become the dominant format by fall or winter. But at the time I wondered, "How long will it take for me to hear that HD is in the lead again?" So now I'm hearing more support for HD. It seems that this issue is in constant flux and I'm wondering if there will ever be a resolution within the next year. At this point, I'm not so much rooting for either format per se, as I'm simply hoping one will win soon so I can start saving up for a new player. Of course, this leads to another concern: what's next? I'm not exactly happy with the idea of updating my library and am wondering if this is really worth it. Once/if one format wins, how long will it take for another new and improved format to come in and replace the existing one? How far away are we from "Ultra High Definition" in 50,080p? And of course, there's the ever-present question of just how good can movies look and sound?

  • May 31, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    JAcksmack

    by LeviDTinker

    Its funny you mentioned the searchers on hd dvd i just one it about 5 mins ago on ebay for 9.99 plus 3.99 shipping. cant wait to see it

  • May 31, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    John Q public doesn't give a fuck!

    by lost.rules

    Both these formats will crumble.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    sigh...

    by tmifune78

    again, numbers don't lie... upcoming HD-DVD release list: http://www.dvdpricesearch.com/cgi-bin/dvdsearch2 vs. upcoming Blu-Ray release list: http://www.dvdpricesearch.com/cgi-bin/dvdsearch2 HD-DVD has more titles slated for release by a considerable margin. Just goes to show you that Sony can easily pony up the dough to get studios to sign exclusive deals but can't make 'em actually release any damn titles. Fox along with MGM has numerous titles "postponed". Disney has less than ten with an actual upcoming release date...While Warner is releasing titles for both, the preference is clear for HD-DVD. Look at the upcoming Blu-Ray/HD-DVD version of '300' for proof. The HD-DVD version of '300' trumps the Blu-Ray version in special features. Also, Blade Runner from WB is coming to HD-DVD in October only...a Blu-Ray release?..."planned". Wow, you guys got Pirates and Spider-man 3? Ghost Rider? I am jealous...oh wait, no I'm not, I have Army of Darkness, Carpenter's The Thing, 12 Monkeys, The Big Lebowski, Midnight Run, Shaun of the Dead, Spartacus, The Sting, etc. to keep me sated. Y'know...real movies...ever heard of 'em?

  • May 31, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    I agree RainJacket

    by jae683

    It's funny how pissed people are getting. lol

  • May 31, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    I feel a bit of advertisment here..

    by minidv

    So you have chosen HDDVD because you have been payed for it. That's fine, but don't spread the bullshit that blu-ray players can't play the DVDs.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST

    It's a myth that porn helped VHS beat Beta.

    by Bronx Cheer

    It's repeated so many times that everybody believes it, but there's no truth to the myth that porn made VHS the dominant format over Beta. There was porn on both formats. The reason Beta couldn't match VHS primarily is due to the simple fact that Sony does not usually license its technology. Anyone could license the VHS patent, but Sony made Beta proprietary.</p> <p>So porn choosing HD-DVD doesn't mean a damn thing. The format that wins, if it is a two horse race, will be the one that is most cost-effective. Laserdiscs hung in there for a long ass time, but finally died away, and they kicked DVD's ass.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Where's Lou Gerstner when you need him!?!?!?!

    by Sinisterjim

    This format war is a damn shame, but would have been prevented had somebody with some sway stepped in and moderated the 2 camps to work together on a single format. Most people don't know this almost happened with DVD...before it was called DVD. In the early 90's, Sony/Phillips was working on MMCD (Multi Media Compact Disc) and Toshiba, Time/Warner and about 5 or 6 other major electronics corps. were working on a Super Density Disc...IBM President Lou Gerstner, in an effort to avoid a Beta/VHS-like war, stepped in and negotiated the parties involved to work towards a single format...Sony dumped their format, with only a few spec. requests for the winning format...and thus, DVD was born. Fact is, both formats are HD, and, like early DVD, the format has yet to be polished, so, which ever format wins, expect remasters in the next couple of years on some of the titles available now. The one thing I have against Blu-Ray, is sony's greediness with licensing, which is causing some concern for smaller DVD companies like Synapse, Criterion and any others who specialize in films with no mass appeal, this is why many of them are waiting, instead of picking one format or both. A move I will share. I do feel we will have a winner by the end of the year, or early next year though.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    And Harry, you can't have co-all time favorite films!

    by Bronx Cheer

    You have to suck it up and pick one and one only. It's in the rule book. It's okay if King Kong is number two.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Yeah, timifun, The Thing looked good.

    by jae683

    I don't have Shaun of the Dead yet. Serenity and Chronicles of Riddick really stood out too.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Sinisterjim, speaking of remasters.

    by jae683

    They're already remastering The Fifth Element.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    At the price break of $300 HD-DVD is going t o sell

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    That was my deciding factor. <BR> <BR> 1. Because I am not going to buy either an XBOX360 or PS3 as I am an Nintendo Wii and PC gamer. <BR> <BR> 2. Because I own an LCD HDTV that is 720p and have not been convinced that 1080p is that much different to the eye unless you are getting a TV that is 50 inches or bigger and that would be WAY to big for my living room <BR> <BR> 3. Because I they offered not only a decent price break but 5 free HD-DVDs AND Best Buy had a deal where if you bought 3 HD-DVDs you got $20.00 off so more or less I got an extra HD-DVD for free for buying 2. <BR> <BR> 4. I hated my Samsung upcovert player for many reasons not going to list them sorry. <BR> <BR> All in all for $300 I feel like I got a great deal and Sony can go fuck themselves with their Blu-Ray. I think this price break was a smart move and I can tell you that while I was there another man came in before me and grabbed one and I grabbed the last one. Word has gotten out and the price with the free HD-DVDs is going to be a deciding factor for a lot of us who were on the fence. The picture looks great, the sound has never been better and I am 100% satisfied with my decision to go with HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray which is way over priced. Maybe the price will drop on the Blu-Ray soon but I am sticking with what I got and all I can do is hope for the best that the format I chose wins in the end and maybe both will stick around. It is what it is. <BR> <BR> And again, all you fucking morons that continue to bash Harry and this site saying he's a sell out and getting paid off to support movies and gear are fucking idiots. If you feel that way stop coming here. You sound like morons when you talk shit like that. Sure Harry gets his facts wrong but I think it's more that he gets over excited and wants to make a post about something so he does not fact check like he should so yeah I will agree there but give the guy a fucking break. He's got a wedding coming up and a billion other things on his mind and everyone makes mistakes. If anything it just shows he is just like all of us because none of us are perfect. If you think you can run a better movie website then shut the fuck up and get started.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    So I got off the phone and it was Walter B

    by ZupDog

    Dude, where is part 2 through 10 of the Bruce questions or did he get wise to this site?

  • May 31, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    All MY filmmaker friends are too busy making films

    by Bronx Cheer

    to be sitting around watching movies. And every one of them who has an opinion on the matter is in complete agreement: they get their movies free in the form of Academy screeners, so until those come out on a new format, they don't give a damn. They're happy with VHS if it comes for nothing. Once again, that's what MY filmmaker friends say.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Fuck Blu Ray and Sony

    by arrangedletters

    Remeber people Sony is the company that put illegal self installing tracking software on their cds that opened a door to hackers if you played it on your computer.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    All MY rowdy filmmaker friends

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    have settled down

  • May 31, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST

    jae683..

    by tmifune78

    Shaun of the Dead streets late July...the last Tuesday of the month I believe..along with Darkman and Sea of Love.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Harry's two machines both broke because someone

    by Bronx Cheer

    from Toshiba hit them with a hammer. LOL. No, really, it's because whoever moved Harry's stuff did a poor job. Coincidence they both broke so close to moving to a new home? I think not...</p> <p>FACT! Hammers can often cause severe damage to DVD players, especially when the hammer strikes the machine repeatedly with force.</p> <p>FACT! The name of the moving company was Toshiba Moving Company.</p> <p>FACT! I am a douche.</p>

  • May 31, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Fuck Man Ray and Soon-Yi

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Remeber people Soon-Yi is the step-daughter that put illegal self-lubricating poontang on their stepfather that opened a door to dadaists if you played art games on your surrealists

  • May 31, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Thanks tmifune

    by jae683

    I'll have to keep track of that.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Harry's two machines both broke because someone

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    unleashed cosmpic power

  • May 31, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Headgeek has chosen HD-DVD... Here's Why...

    by Junior Frenger

    ... he is severely ignorant to the actual facts. That's why!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    If you really want to show off

    by jae683

    get Planet Earth, no matter which format.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Headgeek has chosen HD-DVD... Here's Why...

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    AICN ad revenue GOTTA EAT!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    God only knows you were waiting for Sea of Love in 1080

    by tmifune78

    ...I know I was...

  • May 31, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    If you really want to show off

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    unleash cosmpic power

  • May 31, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Just got off the phone with reps from HD-DVD Blu-Ray

    by Doc_Strange

    The fact of the matter is the fact that Microsoft is pushing HD-DVD because Sony is a direct competitor so yeah you're gonna see a lot of fluff saying HD-DVD is outselling Blu-Ray, porn has gone with HD-DVD, blah blah blah. A smart person will just look at the specs. 50 Gigs as opposed to 15, more storage space, and a rapidly dropping price point. Sorry but Blu-Ray has got the market in my eyes and it seems the people who matter, namely the studios. But right now, I don't really give a SHIT!!! I'll wait a couple of years for the prices to drop even further and then pick up a hybrid player or whatever advertising has me working my shit job for. Fuck.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST

    timifun78

    by jae683

    lol Actually, the movie I really want is Brotherhood of the Wolf

  • May 31, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Happyfat73

    by Dersu

    "Heck, if playstation and X-box can co-exist, why not these formats?" Because I can't imagine why anyone would want home video to turn into the utter fiasco that video games have become (and have pretty much always been). "Okay, so you want a copy of 'Star Wars' and 'Raiders of the Lost Ark.' Well, 'Star Wars' will play on what you have, but you'll have to buy a different player for 'Raiders.' That'll cost you at least five-hundred bucks. You want 'The Third Man,' too? That'll only work on the portable version of your player and will cost at least two-hundred." I suppose if you're rich, it won't matter too much, but I don't think anyone else would be too happy with having to buy more than one player. If there is no end to this format war, then I at least hope that companies get to work on a universal player.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Doc

    by jae683

    You might be right about the companies pushing their own formats, but almost all the HD-Dvds I've seen have been the 30 gig kind. Most of the Blu-Ray (until recently) have been the 25 gig.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    HD is only one step between now and the beyond!

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>I'm not upgrading for several reasons, and the main one is the shitty look of all these HD / BR covers. I hate it that they take up valuable space on the cover of my favorite movies to make sure I know it's a BR disk, or an HD DVD. I know, goddamnit, I fuckin' bought it. The covers just look like crap. Just look at the cover of Robin Hood in this article. <span class=GramE>Gorgeous, original poster, and that ugly as hell red HD-DVD advertisement.</span> What a blemish. I'm a collector. I also buy the cover, and I hate it when <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hollywood</st1:place></st1:City> changes it from the theatrical release, like the STAR WARS DVDs.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>I'm inclined to think BR is the best of the two based on the simple fact that it has a lot more capacity to store information, and in the end, it's all about ones and zeros. The more you can store, the more you can do. <span class=GramE>Period, end of argument.</span> That the films look different on either format is a matter of encoding, and that too, is being worked out. That's the underbelly of this technology. While we're talking about which format is best, they're figuring out how to best encode their flicks. And once they've figured it out, they'll all do it the same way, and then, it won't matter what format you buy it on, because it will be 6 of one, and half a dozen of the other.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>BR may also be the only format that will be able to survive, once <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Hollywood</st1:City></st1:place> decides 1080 is low def, and that's going to happen pretty soon (next 5 years, guaranteed). Think about it: the Genesis digital cameras are the first step to getting digital filmmaking to catch up with the amount of detail you can get on celluloid film (Lucas used them, Gibson did, too on <span class=SpellE>Apocalypto</span> – did you notice they weren't shot on film?). I don't think for a second that digital cameras will not surpass celluloid film in definition and <span class=GramE>clarity,</span> it's only a matter of time. History teaches us that technology will surpass itself, and I don't think my grandchildren will know what film is, unless I teach them (and you better believe I'll be taking them down to my dark room to show them how you develop film in the dark, and print gorgeous pictures under a green or red light (your choice – I have both, to adapt to my mood), it's one of the great art forms.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>As for Porn, it's been said on this talkback already: they're not going to decide anything, because they don't sell all that many units, be it HD, DVD, or <span class=SpellE>VHS.It's</span> not the business they're in, anymore. The future of porn is already history: it's the net. Porn practically invented video on demand. They certainly have popularized it, and they're going to keep making a killing like that. Also, the porn studios are on their way out, whether they like it or not (I fucking love it – let the girls get all the money – they do all the hard lifting, for fuck's sake). As porn stars become <span class=GramE>mainstream</span>, we can see how it becomes acceptable to be in porn. And amateur porn scenes are starting to look professional. This will keep getting better. Pretty soon, porn won't be about fake <span class=SpellE>titted</span> Jenna Jameson types, it will be about your own neighbor. Hallelujah! </p> <p class=MsoNormal>Anyway, ultimately, I think HD or all <span class=GramE>kind,</span> is an intermediary step. Once Video On Demand becomes the norm (see Apple TV as the first consumer friendly proof that it will, and many, many, many, will follow), only collectors will buy hard copies of movies. That's you and me, folks. But by the time that is reality, BR and HD DVD will be history, because they'll have a format that can store <span class=GramE>three times as much information</span> on its media... and really, it's all a good thing. The whole ULTIMATE MATRIX on one disk: it's a moment away.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>I therefore side with everyone here: get what you want, and have a good time. Like Rip Torn said in MEN IN BLACK, &quot;I'm gonna have to buy the White Album, again.&quot; Yup, and we'll be happy to do it. <span class=GramE>'<span class=SpellE>Tis</span> the way of the consumer world.</span></p>

  • May 31, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Shills GOTTA EAT

    by AlwaysThere

    And I mean EAT a lot.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    My keyboard won't let me go!

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>There's another reason for not adopting, quite yet. I keep reading on The Digital Bits that Blue Ray and HD DVD drive makers are all releasing updates to their firmware, nearly on a weekly basis, because some disk won't play right. This is kind of like Microsoft updating Windows because it keeps fucking up. I don't know how easy it is to do, but if it's anything like updating your CD-ROM drive firmware, it's slightly advanced, and beyond the ability of the common folk. So if you want to make that CHILDREN OF MEN HD-DVD work, or if you want to play the dice game on the PIRATES Blue Ray disc, you've got some leg work to do, no matter how new your player is. To me, it's a sure sign it's way too early to adopt. </p> <p class=MsoNormal>That's it for me, folks, I don't want anyone telling me I type like I got Diarrhea (too late).</p>

  • May 31, 2007, 12:44 a.m. CST

    HD is already dying. Blu-Ray wins!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Fatality!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Good point dersu

    by Happyfat73

    Which makes the whole fact that there will probably never be a winner in this format war even more depressing. Case in point - look at this talkback. There's already die-hards for each format emerging. As long as both have a sustainable market, then the market will remain divided, so pray for that universal player</p> Until, of course, the next generation of technology comes along and renders them both obsolete.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:44 a.m. CST

    HD-DVD will win definately

    by viranth

    BR has regional coding, HD-DVD don't. European film companies has already choseen HD-DVD. It is way more expensive to make BR than HD-DVD. And the quality between these two are minimal, whoever says different is just a fanboy. Therefor because HD-DVD is cheaper it will win.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Subovon

    by jae683

    I agree with you on the porn point. I've heard people say that before about Video on Demand. I've never been a believe in it though. It just seems too temporary. People like to 'own' things, it's human nature. As far as HD, there's only so much the human eye can pick up. I think they're already approaching film resolutions. I guess you could go higher resolution with all digital movies, but again unless someone watches their movies an inch away from the screen, I'm not sure how much the point would be beyond 1080.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    well your in luck then...

    by tmifune78

    Brotherhood of the Wolf was released on HD-DVD in the UK in April. Do a search at www.amazon.uk to find it. Considering licensing differences in the UK, there are several titles released on HD-DVD over there that are Blu-Ray exclusive here like 'Total Recall' along with titles from Warner and Universal that have yet to be released on HD-DVD in America like 'The Prestige' and the aforementioned 'Brotherhood of the Wolf'.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    hey viranth

    by ryan brookhart

    The HELL HD-DVD don't have region coding! Where did you hear that crap????

  • May 31, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    ryan, there is no regional coding on HD-DVD

    by jae683

    I've gotten several titles from the UK and France. They play just fine over here in the states.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Actually, Tommy Lee Jones made that white album crack

    by moondoggy2u

    which makes youre entire argument moot! ;)

  • May 31, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    timifune

    by jae683

    I've seen it there. I've tried ordering that thing twice now and they kept telling me it would be sometime in Sept before I got. hmmm.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Porn doesn't matter and HD-DVD is the next Betamax

    by PervOmatic

    Porn sales aren't relegated to home video like they were back in the 80's. You can get porn on the internet and through On Demand or Pay-Per-View. It isn't a driving factor, and there are actually going to be Blu-Ray porn releases eventually. HD-DVD is getting it's ass kicked but Blu-Ray right now, and there are far more exclusive films that will be going the Blu-Ray route. Two years from now HD-DVD will be a format on lifesupport. Think SelectaVision and Laserdisc.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    COSMPIC POWER WILL DESTROY ALL DISCS OF DESTINY

    by Bronx Cheer

    BLURAYS OF DEATH FORCE COERSION WILL EMINATE FROM THE TAX-PREPARING SURFBOARD OF SS!!! PREPARE FOR SILVER SUFEREE TO DESTRYO THE SPIDER-FELLOW AND THE FLITTERING PIRATE MAN. AH HA!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    heh..never noticed the release date..

    by tmifune78

    maybe it will coincide with the American release date...I like how there are used ones for sell though...no thanks 'swoop-uk'..I think I'll take my chances and save my 23 pounds...

  • May 31, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    HD DVD has nice casings

    by Kragmose

    Thats about it

  • May 31, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    timifune

    by jae683

    I think it must have been released before, because I've seen it with the April release date, but it's Sept now. Go figure. =)

  • May 31, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    jae683

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>As far as more resolution is concerned, think of the 70 mm film format. In IMAX, the film they use to project the image is that big, BUT they're running the film sideways, to get their image size, which is an area that is 48.5 mm wide and 22.1 mm tall. It's fucking huge, in these terms. It also means that they have to run the film through the projector 3 times as fast, to compensate for the sideways run. <span class=GramE>But consequently, you're not getting any &quot;jitters&quot; onscreen, nor do window blinds look like they're &quot;dancing sideways&quot; as the camera pans over them.</span> I'm not an expert, but the technology to project film at a higher resolution is out there, and it has been for a while. The best &quot;Dynamic Cinema&quot; rides also use similar processes, sometimes projecting more than 24 frames per second, to get an ultra stable image, which increases the immersive feeling you get from watching the screen. In the end, the human eye is capable of seeing a lot more than 1080 p, and until they figure out what that max is, they're going to keep looking. </p> <p class=MsoNormal>They'll be at it for a while, but not as long as it would be required if humans could perceive movement the way a cat does, which is estimated to being at least 9 times as well as we do! Great stuff!</p>

  • May 31, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Wow... commercials got their TBs now?

    by SpencerTrilby

    that site goes downhill every day

  • May 31, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Harry - you've persuaded me to buy Blu-Ray. ;-)

    by robogeek.com

    Sorry, couldn't resist - but I gotta say... the Talk Backers have made compellingly persuasive (and impressively convincing) arguments here in favor of Blu-Ray, and against HD-DVD. Ah, the joy of fact-checking! (BTW, remember when you said that 480 was HD? Boy howdy, I sure do...) http://aintitcool.com/node/31776 However, I am genuinely curious to know what projector you have, and what the specs for it are. And yes, I do envy you for having seen Robin Hood in glorious HD... assuming your projector is actually HD... right? ;-)

  • May 31, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    heresay and lightstormer are idiots

    by lotusblade

    For one the 51GB discs work JUST FINE in current players. This is just as bad as the BS people spewed about 50GB BD discs not working on current players before they came out. They work, and yes, they WILL be out 1st Quarter 2008 at the latest. <p> The DVD Forum is going to vote on another issue of making REGIONS for future HD-DVD releases. This and the lack of space are the primary reasons for DISNEY, LionsGate, and MGM holding out. <p> Do the math and you will see that with PS3s the BD market has something like FIFTEEN TIMES AS MANY UNITS IN THE MARKET. All they have is a puny 3:1 edge? Wow that is something for Sony to be EXCITED about! <p> Toshiba is making money on their 2nd Gen HD-DVD players, the BD camp isn't. Samsung makes VERY little money on their player (about $60). However their Dual Format player coming out this Winter is going to be CHEAPER to manufacture than the BD only player... <p> It costs less to manufacture both the hardware and software on HD-DVD. The "size," limitation is going to disappear. All that will be left is Studio Support. That will change slowly in 2008. Universal isn't going anywhere. Their President just last week shot down the rumor of them going neutral. I believe the quote was "we'll be neutral when Sony is." <p> BD Players CAN NOT AT THIS TIME UPCONVERT DVDs as well as the Toshiba Units. Why? The Toshiba units use better video processing. Especially the XA2. That machine is one of the best DVD players on the market at any price. True videophile quality stuff in that unit. <p> Face it the masses will be buying their $150 HD-DVD players this holiday season to go with their $500 to $1000 HDTVs. The masses will choose the winner of this stupid format war. Not Sony, and not some gaming machine. Nor will Vista and MS be the reason. The only reason is stupid people are more likely to spend $150 than $500. It's sad when BD fan boys are waiting for a $500 player and it being a "cheap," player. <p> Meanwhile the Onkyo HD-DVD player(s) will be out at $300, $600, and $1000 respectively. <p> Personally I hope that Samsung unit is around $500 I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    blu ray claiming they are winning

    by slappy jones

    is like bragging you have the biggest dick in the small dick club. both formats are selling fuck all because the average consumer doesn't give a fuck to be honest....neither of these formats will be replacing dvd the way dvd has VHS...and as for porn well i just don't know if porn will be as big a decider as it was during the VHS beta wars due to the fact that it is so readily available on the internet...will it really matter which format porn goes with? internet has surely made the home dvd market for porn a lame duck in terms of having any sway on soemthing like a format war....

  • May 31, 2007, 1:08 a.m. CST

    "give the guy a fucking break he's got a wedding comin"

    by SpencerTrilby

    who cares for fucks sake? It doesn't allow him to openly lie to us.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Spot on, moondoggy2u !

    by Subovon

    It is indeed Tommy Lee Jones who got that line. I just checked on my miserably low res, soon to be forgotten DVD edition. I still think Rip Torn would have nailed it. What a great actor. Hell, they both are. Maybe they're related.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    i heard a funny story

    by slappy jones

    i don't know if it is true orif it is just a rumour but apparently the porn industry is worried and panicked about all the new Hi Def cameras and playback systems because now the girls blemishes are all there in hi def...stretch marks, spots, unslightly stray hairs etc etc...and seeing the "models"in such fine detail is actually really gross....if that is true that is hilarious....

  • May 31, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Gotta say I'm kind of surprised...

    by tmifune78

    that there were this many Blu-Ray aficionados and vehement supporters out there fighting tooth and nail in favor of. Considering the cheapest Blu-Ray player, the PS3 is $600, I will deem the whole Blu-Ray fanclub as a whole 'Mr. Fancy Pants'

  • May 31, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    ofc HD will win this one

    by Barl

    Sony went all betamax again, you would think they had learned by now

  • May 31, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Slappy Jones

    by jae683

    Here's a happy image for you. The 'Headge Hog' in glorious HD. Enough said. =)

  • May 31, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    slappy jones

    by Subovon

    Yes, what you mention about the porn industry is true. The next big wave in porn girl manufacturing is probably laser surgery to remove such hairs / blemishes. And you know what's a real kisser? The lasers they use appear blue to the naked eye! ZAP!

  • May 31, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    timifune

    by jae683

    Actually I have a ps3, lol. I use it solely for a movie machine because, frankly, the games suck so far.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    New Fantastic Four Trailer!!!

    by wadi77

    http://tinyurl.com/35ufcy

  • May 31, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST

    jae68..err, I mean Mr. Fancy Pants

    by tmifune78

    Well at least you've remained unbiased...I always tend to root for the underdog for some reason...which would explain the museum-like nature of my spare bedroom's closet...here ye, here ye...gather round for a peek at the 'Turbografx-16'....the 'Atari Lynx'...'Jaguar'...Satur...Dreamca...fuck it, I'm getting a Blu-Ray player.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    timifune

    by jae683

    I know what you mean. I still have a turbografx and an atari 7800 somewhere. But I get more use out of Toshiba as a movie player though.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Okay, but what do you do in 5 or 6 years...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...when the whole HD/Blue Ray stuff is as dead as Laserdisc (Only that it still will be used for Games and stuff)?

  • May 31, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Which is better: LCD or plasma?

    by Zardoz

    I got a Sharp Aquos 42" 1080p LCD HDTV and it's pretty damn good. The problems? Action scenes get all pixel-y and the same with rain or water shots, lightning, etc. But I play a lot of video games, in fact, the main reason I got the TV was for my X360, and I heard LCD is better than plasma for avoiding image "burn-in". (I'm taking the set back to Costco, BTW, 'cause an entire vertical line of LCD's went out; bummer!) Thoughts? Pro or con? (And what do you use your HDTV for? Movies? Gaming?) Let me know...(oh, and I'm not buying either HD-DVD or Blu-ray until a winner is decided. For now, I'm just getting my HD from Comcast, OnDemand and HBO) And my standard def DVD's look great...

  • May 31, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST

    I'll wait and see

    by moviemaniac-7

    I still have a year or so traveling around the world and then I'll see what format has won. I is not cowardice, but I'd hate to blow money on a system that will be pushed off the market within a year. But I agree with the fact that DVD is the last hard copy form of entertainment. Everything will be 'fluid' a few years from now.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:06 a.m. CST

    The Porn industry won't decide

    by Happyfat73

    ... because everyone gets their porn on the net now anyway... it's much more anonymous. </p> The internet has pretty much killed porn on DVD.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    HD-DVD&Blu-ray are both great just don't buy a library!

    by TheMatarife

    You can eat the cost of a new player if your pick loses the format war, but replacing a bunch of movies will suck. A new player will be $200 or less when one wins, so its not that much of a pain to replace, but replacing a bunch of movies WILL suck. Till one wins, just Netflix/Blockbuster/whatever. Also, I can't believe Harry didn't know Blu-Ray is backwards compatible and does upscaling to 1080P. Picture quality isn't an all out win for HD-DVD either, just the early Blu-ray discs weren't very good. The newest discs out on both formats look about the exact same. Audio quality can't be judged yet since no one has a DTS HD Master Audio compatible player yet, and that's what Fox is issuing all their Blu-Ray discs in. (Fox, Disney, and Sony don't issue HD-DVDs. Universal doesn't issue Blu-Ray discs.) The Blu-Ray movies with uncompressed 5.1 PCM do apparently sound amazing, as well as all the Blu-Ray movies and HD-DVDs with Dolby TrueHD.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    bannanahammock

    by misnomer

    "most of our passengers get there alive." "pulmonary cancer? possibly. Great taste? for sure." most underrated film ever. "Sony- because caucassians are just too damn tall."

  • May 31, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    And how come...

    by MCVamp

    Batman doesn't DANCE anymore?

  • May 31, 2007, 2:17 a.m. CST

    downloadable movies won't catch on.

    by misnomer

    whilst more people will watch online tv, picking their favourite shows and movies, there will always be room for "tangible" formats. People like owning things, and always will.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    dual players are the way forward now but

    by Reelheed

    in the really long run the higher capacity of blu-ray (not blue-ray you rtards) will win out.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:28 a.m. CST

    eyesonly54 are you shitting ME!!!? and MYTHS

    by a_guy

    I too work at Best Buy and in OUR district we cannot GIVE a BR player away!!! You have SO many of your facts wrong you REALLY should think about finding yourself another profession... When that guy you sold 3 players to finds out you fucked his wallet for the overprices and undervalued DEAD format, how much more business do you think you will get from him?? I thought our mission was customer centricity but you are obviously a wallet rapist. I myself rarely EVER talk back here but you made my blood boil, It is no wonder people do't like our Brick and mortar stores anymore, because uneducated fools like you work for this company, it is a sad state of affairs. Current Bullshit HD format Myths that I am SICK and FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING: -Universal is not going BD, Deal with it. -Disney is not going HD (YET! They will wait and do whatever Wal-Mart tells them to do, BELIEVE IT, they sell more Disney Movies than ANYONE else, if Wal-Mart gets their players it is DISNEY=FORMAT NEUTRAL) -Studio support, stop pulling studio numbers out of our asses. It is actually MUCH closer than the FUD would tell you. HD=51 BD=54. -Lets not forget MOST of the films that are BD can be purchased overseas if you want AND played on your Toshiba here in the states because HD DVD has NO REGION CODING! A simple fix to NOT purchase a SINGLE BR disk and buy overseas ALL the titles you can't get here because of the studios decisions, tell them what format you want to win with your wallet. THEY WILL LISTEN -Spiderman 3 is not what I would be touting as a "winner" -Fox has pulled titles, they are NOT releasing on any format for the foreseeable future, but my personal Guess if if BD JAVA doesn't get on board quick it is BAD NEWS for this studio and this formats exclusivity.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Ryan Brookhart

    by LeviDTinker

    if there are region codes for HDDVD how is it iam watching the uk version Harry potter and the goblet of fire right now, and how is it i was able to watch my friends copy of the french imported elephant man on hddvd. why dont you check your facts before you open your mouth.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    NO REGION CODING... AGAIN

    by a_guy

    FUCKIN FUD, HD DVD HAS "NO REGION CODING" learn your facts Ryan!! Christs sake!

  • May 31, 2007, 2:35 a.m. CST

    ummm sony formats...

    by JacenSolo

    Being "in the industry" or some crap like that I find that beta is still being used, sure it's not commercial, but the cost of the decks and tape stock are high enough and used enough that sony doesn't lose money. The whole hi-def disc format is lame anyway, give me a d5 deck and projector and seem what "better than film" high definition actually looks like. Oh and it turns out there are developments of tv's that play 3d without glasses or anything, so then you're gonna have to get something else completely new and different... Only reason I can see making a choice in the war is the temptation of getting a bluray burner for my computer, but I'm an ahole like that...

  • May 31, 2007, 2:35 a.m. CST

    I have

    by Kragmose

    A 360 with the HD DVD drive and a PS3. I shelved the 360 a week ago and plan on selling it later on. But I borrowed an HDDVD from a friend and compared it to my BR's. That made me sure BR is the thing.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    "I also have a habit of picking the winning formats"

    by newc0253

    "if you're a sophisticated customer who appreciates quality, why not try Laramie cigarettes? Ah, Laramie, for that smooth, cool flavour".

  • May 31, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    the porn industry...

    by mr.cancerstix

    spearheaded the whole vhs rush and will factor in on the blu-ray/hddvd debate. i haven't paid for porn in three years but someone is, and their buying a shitload of it. ultimately the cheapest will win, if everyone were cinephiles no one would buy full screen dvd's. i'm waiting for a merge of formats, or i'm regressing back to beta!

  • May 31, 2007, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by Bobbafatass

    The format war will won by Blu ray when Fox and Lucas film decide to release the original Star Wars Trilogy on the format. Nuff said.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Understandable

    by Kragmose

    That he goes HD-DVD. The mans got a million dvd's, would be a shame not to be able to watch those again.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST

    DVD will win the HD-DVD/Blu Ray war

    by TallBoy66

    Enjoy your Laserdics, folks.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Harry, what the hell?

    by jasse

    So both your DVD players got busted and you opted for the quickets and cheapest solution, which was the HD-DVD player from Thosbia at 299. You tell yourself this is awesome, and then you make a post on your website claiming you've probably chosen the winning format because Robert Rodriguez also feels HD-DVD is right. Not to mention, you somehow manage to claim that there are 62 titles on Blu-Ray and 500+ on HD-DVD? What the FUCK did you smoke? Get your facts straight, man. And the picture quality between Blu-ray and HD-DVD are virtually identical. Porn doesn't mean shit anymore for deciding a winning format. Internet = free porn.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST

    As someone who will be...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...turning 40 this year, I still remember the format wars of yore, including mind-blowing shit that most of you whippersnappers never even heard of, like the Philips Video 2000, which was a technically superior videotape format with flippable (!) cassettes, thus enabling recording on both sides, just like the traditional audio cassette. The picture and sound quality was considerably better than VHS and one had twice as much space on the cassette for recording. <p> Back in those days, I can remember similar although technologically more primitive conversations among my friends at school where kids would argue vehemently for whatever format their parents had bought, saying things like: "VHS sucks! Betamax's got a much clearer picture!" <p> The bottom line is that there have to be certain factors fulfilled in order for a format to win, which I believe still holds true today: <p> 1) There has to be an upgrade in quality so resounding that even semi-catatonic and illiterate Joe Sixpack says: "Holy shit! I gotta get me one of these!" <p> 2) Said upgrade must not entail the additional upgrading of Joe Sixpack's television and/or sound system, or he will swiftly lose interest. <p> 3) The price for said upgrade must be perceived as reasonable for Joe Sixpack. <p> 4) The interwebs notwithstanding, Joe Sixpack instinctively wants a system which provides free access to all titles commercially available. <p> 5) Joe Sixpack will NOT commit until there is a clear candidate which fulfills these criteria, at which point a victor will be seen. <p> The fact is, ladies and germs, that neither of these systems will prevail in the long run. It's been too short of a timespan since Joe Sixpack's latest watershed upgrade to DVD, and most people are completely satisfied with what they have. <p> I've been deeply impressed with both the Blu Ray and HD DVD demonstrations I've seen, but then again, I was equally impressed in the early 1980's when I was shown a laserdisc demonstration. <p> Blu Ray and HD DVD are stopgap technologies - mark my words. Regular DVDs will be here for a long time, my friends, before anything topples them from the throne of home video.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Thing is Disney is back Blu-Ray

    by Orionsangels

    The Pirates movies are on Blu-Ray. That'll be hard to beat. If Lucas chose a side though. I'm sure that format would win by default.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    As for you folks...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...who are ragging on Harry for choosing HD DVD, shut the fuck up. If he had chosen Blu Ray instead, you'd still be screaming "sellout!" <p> How you can claim that his thoughts on the format war (misguided though they may be) are irrelevant on a movie site, HIS movie site, is just laughable.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Thing is Disney is backing Blu-Ray

    by Orionsangels

    Three letters missing and ya sound like freakin idiot.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    if you can upscale normal DVD's - whats the point of HD

    by Cedar_Room

    am I missing something? If you can buy (for considerably less money) a DVD player that will upscale the images onto your HDTV at 1080p whats the point of spending the extra on HD DVDs (whatever format) and the new player as well? If its the same picture quality (or near as damn it) why the expense? Anyone??

  • May 31, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Isn't the HD-DVD player for Xbox360 like $199?

    by Orionsangels

    That's a good deal.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST

    cedar

    by Orionsangels

    Isn't the movie compressed on DVD or something and on HI-DEF its transferred at a higher resolution er something? I'm just talking outta my ass here, but isn't it something like that?

  • May 31, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    If your still buying porn

    by Varakor

    and you know who you are, then literally you're a dick. If your going to websites and PAYING for the exact same shit you can download for free then you are the biggest dick there is. (if your stealing passwords to access porn sites, then kudos.) I'm not just name calling here, you're really a dick because porn is in fact readily available without purchase thanx to kazaa, limewire, and now yes... youporn.com. Not only can you download the shit, but you can burn it, play it on a DVD player with DIVX and enjoy it on your TV as well as your PC. (yes there are many DIVX DVD players in abundance) If the professional porn industry decided they will quit making porn, no one will shed a fucking tear because amateur pornographers will take over and believe me I'd rather watch that shit than any fucking porn with a plot! Porn doesn't need a plot, you watch it, spank to it, and call it a night. Wait, what are we talkin about again? Oh yea! HD-DVD and Blu Ray look the same, neither one is better than the other, and porn in HD is just nasty and entirely unneccessary. Now if you will excuse me, I just downloaded some nice asian porn with hand cream at the ready...

  • May 31, 2007, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Yo, Varakor

    by Subovon

    'know of a way to download the hand cream, too?

  • May 31, 2007, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Some Facts

    by Thom85

    Right now, Columbia, Disney, Fox and Sony Pictures release exclusively to Blu-Ray. Just last week PotC 1 + 2 released on Blu-Ray, which won't happen anytime soon for HD. Everyone else releases on both formats, except Universal, who release only on HD-DVD. If you go to IMDB you can get a listing of there releases for '06. For every Children of Men, there's an Accepted, American Pie 5, American Dreamz etc. Besides that, Harry, all the benefits of HD-DVD you listed (upscaling, backwards compatability) are also true of Blu-Ray. Now add to that the fact that there are already 1.3 million blu-ray's in peoples homes in the form of a PS3. Sooner or later they're going to get curious and buy/rent a Blu-Ray disc. The same can't be said for Xbox 360 owners who get to choose whether or not to spend another $200 bucks for the add-on HD Drive. Blu-Ray is the format positioned to win.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    There's actually very little, in terms of quality, that seperates the two formats. Both look and sound amazing and comparing I challenge anyone to actually spot the difference.<br><br>Anyway, when people remember the old VHS v Beta format war, they all seem to forget that VHS won because it was cheaper to manufacture players and tapes. You can argue all you like about quality; Beta blew VHS out the water, all your average consumer cares about is the cost and HD-DVD comes in well under BR.<br><br>Howerver, what most people have totally forgotten is that to get the real benefit of these players you need a true HD tv. DVD had no problems because everyone had a standard def TV to play it on; until HDTV is the standard in most peoples homes, neither format will really get anywhere. By the time that happens, broadband speeds should be well through the roof and your HD movies won't come on any format, they'll be downloadable. DLC, it's the way of the future :D

  • May 31, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Upscaling

    by Subovon

    I'm curious about this feature. Please chime in if you have one of these players and an HD TV (Plasma or LCD). Because after looking into it, I find that a lot of the new plasma and LCD screens do some upscaling of their own. So does that mean a DVD player's upscaling is useless? Does it mean that having an HD TV and a progressive scan DVD is enough (if you don't want to get an HD deck)? It sure doesn't sound like Harry's projector does it, since he noticed a difference in his DVDs getting upscaled by his new player. Sounds like a bunch of voodoo to me. Man, I hate voodoo.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Thom85

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    No, only a handful of people with PS3 are going to be curious to about Blu Ray since alot of users still play on stadard def sets.<br><br>I can tell you now that the Sony SD RGB scart lead outsells Sony's component HD and HDMI leads.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Standard DVD Upscaling

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    It looks nice but you don't the quality you see on a true HD video disc.<br><br>Basically, the upscaling allows you to watch old DVD's in a nice clean looking way because, on most HD sets, standard def feeds look like shit. They're blocky and pixely. Upscaling stops that but its no substitute for a tru HD disc.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    I don't care which HD format it turns up on as the war will hopefully be over by then.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    SELL-OUT!

    by Blarney-Man

    LMAO

  • May 31, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Subovon...

    by UltimaRex

    I just woke up my housemate with my laughing.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:46 a.m. CST

    For once Harry is on the money..! HD-DVD will win...

    by workshed

    ...hands down. The Chinese manufacturers are able to mass manufacture the parts much more cheaply and, as we all know, Sony keep hold of their product patents so tightly and market them so expensively that they cut their own throats (see Betamax). HD-DVD Rom discs will be available on the market within the next year along with a pioneer burner for PCs. BluRay had it's chance and blew it. They may currently be outselling HD-DVD 3:1 but all that will change. They said DivX/XviD wouldn't catch on and how fucng wrong was The Man about that one. Having stated that fact, i doubt that i will be replacing all the 4500 XviD films in my collection once i buy my HD-DVD player. Decent upscaling and a capacity to handle extremely high bitrate video/DTS audio is what i'm after. Being on welfare due to my wifes long term illness means that i would have never been able to experience the wealth of (world) Cinema we have enjoyed if it weren't for the invention of DivX.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Sad...

    by metaluna

    Sad that Harry seems to not understand that his credibility on his own forums is now zero and still posts stuff like this. This is what your 'film maker friends' are telling you, Harry? Rest of the world replies 'don't insult our intelligence'. Sad that we have to listen to so much misinformation on here and sad that two employees of 'Best Buy' seem to think that they can foretell the entire worldwide marketing and future sales figures for two competing electronic gizmos from behind their till counters in one store without realising that no one takes the word of someone who works in Best Buy seriously or any electronic store for that matter. No one knows what's going to happen with BR or HDDVD. I know one of these IS a superior technology but that isn't the be all and end all deciding factor. Think I'll wait a little longer, mainly cause I resent having to buy my DVD collection all over again. Nice try Harry. Hope they paid you well for that spot.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Subovon, my good friend

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    What's wrong with my statement? Did I get something wrong?

  • May 31, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Rest In Peace

    by Napoleon Park

    Player Piano rolls. Victrola discs. Vinyl records at 16, 78, 33&1/3rd and 45 rpm. Black and White TV. Mono. 8-track tape. 8mm film. Super 8mm. Beta. Picture disc. Laser disc. Quadrophonic. 8-Track Tapes. Metal Capable Cassettes. Dolby Pro-logic 4.0. The walkman. The boombox. CD-Rom.<p> Facing immediate obsolescence: Audio cassettes, VHS tape. <p> On the endangered species list; standard format CDs and DVD. Physical CD and DVD burners and dulicaters. <p> There can be only one: DVRs vs. VCRs. HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray. Stereo audio vs. Dolby 5.1. <p> Someone e-mail me when they decide on a format that will be around for the rest of my life, and meanwhile, where do I go to to get my money back on all this obsolete shit I was conned into buying. <p> "CDs are virtually indestructable and will last you the rest of your life. Sure, if they keep the players on the market. Meanwhile, where do I find a stereo phonograph cartridge for less than what my turntables cost me 20 years ago?

  • May 31, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE ME GO HD

    by Obscura

    1) having enough cash to make the switch. 2)a player that plays both formats. 3) Star wars. Bluray will have starwars at some point. 4) Lord of the rings! but that will be on HD-DVD! ARGH!

  • May 31, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    HD-DVD = Flames on Optimus

    by The Seaward

    One hates to break a tradition.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    A complete pack of lies.

    by Praetor

    The Blu-ray association should sue Harry for blatantly spreading misinformation about their products. Blu-ray can play DVD, can upconvert and has more titles today than HD-DVD. What respect I had for Harry is gone today. Its a measure of how desparate HD-DVD is that it has to resort to spreading FUD.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Workshed...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    ...if I'm not mistaken, when they said DivX wouldn't catch on, I believe they were talking about DIVX. <p> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX ) <p> Unless the DivX codec itself had a controversial start... if it did, I knew nothing about it.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Obscura - LOTR will be on both formats.

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    It's from New Line. New Line is Warners. Warners is format-neutral. In fact, Warners is the one pushing Total HD discs.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Good choice Harry

    by photoboy

    I'd go with HD-DVD too if I had pick one now. That said, I'm not touching either format until I'm sure it's going to be the winner.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD - The winner is: DVD

    by bloodstainedking

    I think all of you are forgeting one simple fact, the masses decide who wins the battle, not the technophiles. When you exclude gamers and geeks, the average consumer can give a shit less about either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. The general public has barely converted over to DVD from VHS and has no motivation or desire to change to a new format. Think about it, the masses never care what's best. All that matters is what is good enough. People switched to CD's because they were the first format that offered a small size without wearing out. When better sounding options came out(SACD and the like) they were ignored by the masses. For the majority of the buying public, DVD's are to movies what CD's were to music, good enough. That's just my opinion though

  • May 31, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST

    B-Ray WILL play your 9k+ DVDs, @ higher res + upgrades

    by shubniggurath

    em all. PS3 firmware upgrades em all to 1080p too. And 1080p is better than 1080i. Headgeek really is the sell-out I've been reading about. Propaganda over disc format should be kept to company PR bastards, not a movie reviewer...

  • May 31, 2007, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Blu-ray can play dvd's?

    by Kragmose

    If this is true, then the lolz on you Harry

  • May 31, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    I guaran-

    by DocPazuzu

    -goddamn-tee you all that NO high def format will break through on a level higher than laserdisc at its peak until HD televisions outnumber regular TVs in people's homes on the same level that color TVs outnumbered B&W ones at the dawn of home video. <p> When that day comes, which it will, a cheap, universal high def format will be swiftly adopted, but it will be neither HD DVD nor Blu Ray.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Misconception on "upscaling" DVDs

    by Abin Sur

    While it's true that you are getting enhanced picture performance on a regular DVD with the HD-DVD player (thanks to the HDMI interface cable), you are NOT increasing the picture quality to 720p/1080i. The best you are doing is sending a pure digital signal from the DVD to the television, and that does improve clarity, but does not "add" pixels to the movie. And why not just wait for the device that plays HD-DVD AND Blu-Ray? It only took a year for LG to develop one, which means that some of the larger electronics companies will probably be producing better ones in the next couple of years.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Yackbacker...

    by Abin Sur

    What kind of TVs were you using for your comparison? It does make a difference if you're using DLP, LCD or plasma technology. DLP, for example, looks like crap when you're closer than 6 feet, but correctly positioned in your media room it's the best choice of the 3 for a high-def experience.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Objectivity

    by mooseaka

    Harry, can you pretend that your reviews aren't biased? Your opinions are reaching George W. Bush levels of objectivity at this point.<p>Putting movies you admit to hating on your "DVD Picks" list just so you can get the click-through fees from amazon.com is one thing, but to write a blatantly uninformed article saying "HD DVD is the way to go, and I'm using the player that we conveniently advertise on this site" is downright lame. I'm glad the talkbackers are calling you out on this. The whole upconversion part was a dead giveaway. That's like saying you are picking Diet Coke over Diet Pepsi because Diet Coke is carbonated.<p>Next thing you know, Harry will write a Spiderman 3 review where he defends the pathetic handling of the fan-favorite Venom character because he never really understood or cared for that character anyway, nor did his buddy Sam Raimi.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Neither will win you ninnies!

    by Redbox

    FM came out right after AM, but it took twenty years to sell. Why? Everyone already shelled out money for AM! While HDDVD and BlueRay "battle it out" most folks still don't understand what HDTV is (is it cable, TV or programming?) and people who can buy a dvd player for 30 bucks and dvd's for 10, won't upgrade by buying an HDTV, and a 300-600 dollar player. While this is all happening, what has just happened to music with the Ipod, will happen to movies, they will become digital data we buy online, and save on hard drives and little expensive discs will be gone. whomever wins: HDDVD or BlueRay, it will be a marginal victory. The disc, will die.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Who the hell cares?!!!

    by Borgnine JR

    Next up, does Harry like Twinkies or Suzie Q's?

  • May 31, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    I went with HD DVD and 95% of my old DVDs look great.

    by Mace Tofu

    Nothing against BluRay but I went with HD DVD because of the price. $350. I just picked up a 42 inch LCD and have it in the bedroom and the old DVDs never looked better. I only own 3 HD DVDs right now THE THING FORBIDDEN PLANET and SERENITY but have the BB online movie pass and have been renting HD thru them. Just watched THE FOUNTAIN last night in HD. ROBIN HOOD was great and the HD disc had many hours of crazy xtras. I had a upconverting DVD player before the HD deck but the old DVDs look 100% better in the HD deck. When the PS3's get down to $199 I will get BluRay then.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Harry you idiot! The PS3 upconverts to 1080P

    by Cymbol

    Way to do your homework before buying a player. (Don't really think you're an idiot) But sometimes, you really should do you homework. Enjoy your 1080i upconversion and lack of HD Transformers, Spiderman3, Fantastic Four, Ratatoullie. The only HD-DVD summer movie exclusive is Evan Almighty. Way to pick the winner! hahahahahaha.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    In praise of Upconverting

    by Gangar

    The Upconvert dvd player is cheap and the reults are pretty fantastic. I am not a 'Videophile' but any movie made in the last few years looks fantastic on the upconvert player and even old movies look pretty great. For me, it's the way to go right now, especially with regular DVD's being sold for $5 everywhere you go. I'm much more willing to experiment or buy trashy fun flicks when they're that cheap. I've seen the hi-def stuff and its great but its still insanely expensive. I think upconverting is the way to go for at least a few more years. And BTW - who wants to see hi-def porn? Have you noticed how every pore in a persons face is emphasized in hi-def? Can you imagine how some of those 'starlets' are going to look with their spotty asses and thigh bruises? You'll be able to see every stretch mark and pleat in their fake fun bags. Ick.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I use HD DVD

    by mr. brownstone

    but there are some blatant errors in what you wrote about Blu Ray. Yes it's true some early titles used an inferior compression codec but now %99 of BluRay and HD DVD's use identical VC-1 transfers. Also most Blu Ray players will also upconvert DVD's where did you get the impression they wouldn't? As far as Blu Ray outselling HD DVD 3 to 1 that was for the reporting period when Casino Royale was released exclively to Blu Ray. Before and after they are pretty much neck and neck. Hope you still have a progressive PAL converting region free DVD player kicking around!

  • May 31, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Shadow of the X Box.....

    by wowsah156

    Bare with me on this... Now the X Box is losing customers due to the problems with the hardware. Nwo a lot of angry X Boxers are waiting for Sony to get its act together with decent games and decent price. Now when this happens the format wars will be turned on their head due to the PS3' DVD capability. with regard to this article i think this is dishonest. How do we know this is not a paid advetisment. To things will decide the DVD war; porn and the PS3.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Also

    by mr. brownstone

    you are wrong about the number of HD DVD's available being higher than Blu Ray. Whoever gave you this info is flat out wrong.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    And porn isn't deciding any format war.

    by Cymbol

    It's already straight to the internet. Besides, I don't want HD porn myself. Trust me, there will be no HD porn with significant sales on any format.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Oh before i forget Sony's issues with porno.

    by wowsah156

    If Sony doesnt allow porn makers to format Blu-ray for their releases then Sony will be fucked with its pointless technology/ all the betamax became extinct because sony would not allow porno to be made on Betamax format. History is repeating itself. If sony doesnt allow porn to be made on Blu-ray then Sony can look forward to a bleak future for the blu ray and the PS3. Sony are just not good at dealing with the porn issue.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Based on SONYs track record -- HD-DVD will win

    by ATARI

  • May 31, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    One last thing, there are 100's of Blu-ray movies

    by Cymbol

    I'm very dissapointed that you would lie about the numbers like that. Or again, simply not do your homework before spouting numbers as facts. Very sad time here at AICN.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Upconvert DVD wins!!

    by ATARI

    I got a Samsung DVD burner with upconvert HDMI output and I must say, the difference is noticable.<br> I have not compared it with the same title in true HD, but it looks good enough to me.<br> So, for me, the battle is over -- keep my existing DVDs, and watch them in 1080i on my 108" screen.<br>

  • May 31, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    my approach is

    by mr. brownstone

    I use HD DVD because I have a 360 and the $100 dollar HD DVD drive was a cheap way into the format. I've bought quite a few discs so far but I figure whoever loses will be bending over backwards to license their technology cheaply to dual format player manufacturers to cover their losses as best they can. There's only one dual player right now (and it's feature crippled and expensive) but they'll become more common and much cheaper as this 'war' drags on. When a dual format player comes out that I like I'll buy that. I think it'll be a couple more years though at least before we see a more clear cut winner.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    wowsah156

    by jae683

    Do you just pull this stuff out of your butt? I have a 360 and I've never had a problem with it. In fact, I've had more problems with my ps3 then I've ever had with the xbox.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Excalibur

    by Mr Gorilla

    There's Harry for you - after all that shit about Pirates 3, he goes and recommends Excalibur, a true and utter treat that anyone who watches will be happy to have seen. Thanks dude!

  • May 31, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Excalibur

    by ATARI

    Of course, with all that said, some DVDs still look like crap in upconvert -- such as the horribly mastered Excalibur. To see that in true HD...Hmmm...<br>

  • May 31, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Upscaling

    by jae683

    Upscaling, through an algorithm, doubles the line count. It can't add detail that wasn't there in the source, but it makes for a smoother picture.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Yackbacker, you've got excellent taste...

    by Abin Sur

    We've got a 46" 720p Samsung DLP in the den, and in the basement I've just recently purchased the new 61" 1080p Samsung DLP. Before I got the larger TV, I remember doing kind of a half-assed comparison on "Sith" too with the DVD and then the HBO HD broadcast...but my smaller model only came with one HDMI connection (I was doing component cables through the SAT receiver) so it was not a perfect comparison. I do think that in some cases you get a better picture through component cables than HDMI, but I'll save that debate for another day. ;)

  • May 31, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Damn straight ATARI

    by dino_hardbody

    if its by sony, it doesn't stand a chance. Stupid SOBs think they are Kind of Electricity.r

  • May 31, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    jae683

    by mr. brownstone

    me neither.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    I feel like I just read an advertisment piece

    by staticneuron

    So.... Blu ray players are not compatible with DVD's? HD-DVD just "looks" right. Porn will win this war. Blu ray sales are not falsly inflated because they are clear about the distinction between software and movies. And I have been able to watch both formats on an HDTV through HDMI calibrated properly. Do you want to know something amazing....... sometimes 1080p on one format...... looks exactly like 1080p on the other format. Who woulda thunk it. Chances are if you made your purchase and these wonderful revaltions on instore display's and presentations, you were feed a line. The older BR films were of bad quality but ever since the end of 2006 the quality has skyrocket and I have not been dissapointed ever since. I was curious about which format was going to head foward but looking at the release list for both formats it only makes sense the BR will have the advantage. And this porn thing is entirely stupid. I assure you, you do not need to see porn in HD. And this is a different time and age from the first format war. It is less of a taboo to walk into a porn store, You can get swaths of porn on the internet without having to sacrifice your privacy. If porn was such a huge deciding factor I am pretty sure the sales should be killing the blu ray numbers. But blu ray is climing, it has a larger selection of titles from more production companies and I am pretty sure that these BR sales are going to be treated as a fluke until HD-DVD leaves the market.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Poor Man's HD

    by Mace Tofu

    If your TV has an S-video input hooking up your $30 DVD player using a S-video cable will give you a noticable jump in picture quality for $5.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST

    "My film maker friends say HD-DVD" - Are you

    by Cymbol

    going to tell us why they suggest it over Blue-ray, or keep that little gem of a secret for yourself? Let me guess, they work for the Universal, the only HD-DVD exclusive studio. Also, keep in mind, 3/4 of the movies coming out you won't be able to see on HD-DVD.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Warning to people who want buy BatteStar in HD

    by Cymbol

    I recently got a bigscreen HDTV. Got my HD channels and the Universal channel was playing Battlestar. Couldn't wait to see it in Hi-def. I was shocked it looked horrible. Worse than on my smaller t.v. Why? They intentionally film it using heavy grain to give it that "real world" or "documentary style" feel. It looks like hell, on HD only enhances that effect. Even the space scenes use it. I was so let down. You've been warned.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    He Was Going To Watch Katharine Hepburn? What The Fuck!

    by BojTrek

    It was nice reading about Harry's jump into the world of HD-DVD... I guess I am waiting to start buying Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies... even though I just bought a PS3 on Saturday... But I kept thinking Harry was going to watch Katharine Hepburn... Katharine Fucking Hepburn and I keep feeling nauseous... Wait is Harry a chick? No fucking man... straight or gay would ever watch Katharine Hepburn movies. GAYROD!

  • May 31, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Did Bruce Willis go to Best Buy with you?

    by Spandau Belly

    If so, you should mention that Q&A thing he's let drop. I could've been fun. Not Stallone-level fun. But fun.<br><br>And they might as well release Die Hard 4 exclusively in HD-Diamond-Gold format because I'm not going to watch it anyway.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    I want a format that allows multiply seasons on

    by durhay

    one disc.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Harry, do you have a Blu-ray player?

    by wolfman30

    Because I think it was funny when you said that HD-DVD looks better than Blu-ray. Did you did a direct comparison between the two? I have both formats and I can't tell the difference. Also, remember you won't get to see the Spiderman movies and the Pirates movies in HD because those will only come out on Blu-ray bitch!!

  • May 31, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST

    I just love...

    by The PimpDragon

    How the fanboys who claim Lucas raped their childhood now say that the Star Wars films will determine which format they choose. Hypocrisy, thy name is flaming fanboy talkback!

  • May 31, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Cymbol

    by jae683

    That's not true. Most studios support both formats.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 3 on BR

    by SpiceMonkey27

    that piece of shit!!!...

  • May 31, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Good point knowthyself

    by staticneuron

    A trilogy that is coming to blu ray as well. When is HD DVD getting the pirates movies?

  • May 31, 2007, 8 a.m. CST

    Such a Thing as Too High Definition

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I haven't seen any HD-DVD demos but I have seen a few for Blu-Ray at Best Buy and Circuit City. I have to say I wasn't impressed because the clearness of the picture made everything look weird. The demo I saw of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory made everything look rubbery, and the RV one I saw had the colors popping out so much, that I thought I was watching Dick Tracy. Why is it that the colors seem way too bright? Did whoever set up the TV make it this way so people would be amazed at how Green the greens are, or is it a fundamental flaw in the technology. It just seems that everything I have seen thus far on Blu-Ray has made the props, sets, effects obviously fake in these films.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    "Porn chose HD"...WRONG!!!

    by FleshMachine

    harry, the majority of people dont care about buying hd porn...people get their porn on the internet. just because porn bolstered vhs in the old days does not mean you can make the same parallels today. blu-ray is a better format in a several respects (theoretically..there are many variables). but unless you are looking at a proffesional CRT HD monitor (like i do every day at work) you will barely notice any difference.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    duh, Harry's logical thinking

    by movieManiac

    I think HD will win, um because 1)my powerful hollywood friends said so. 2)the current dvd player for HD DVD's has better features, (not the format!) 3) this is the kicker, "I have a knack of picking format winners!" There you go folks...the most well thought out argument in history. Add in some three movies, one uber movie geek friendly, two obscure titles that he can talk emotionally about, and you've got ur standard Harry article here.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by mr. brownstone

    the TV was not properly calibrated. watching HD 1080p on a giant plasma is comparable to theatrical projection. so the goons at circuit city had all the settings jacked up so they pop under the phlorescent lighting. don't let it throw you. that being said be *very* careful about what LCD TV you buy, it is nowhere near as good as plasma or CRT yet.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by movieManiac

    The reason is store HDTV's are horribly calibrated, poorly set up, usually have the wrong settings on both the TV and video player, and often faulty or poor cables. TV's are almost always set on "Vivid" Color mode, which makes everything look unnatural. This is because in store you need the TV to stand out amongst the others. At home you would never set it to "Vivid". You very rarely see the best quality u can get in a store. I've seen people sit down in one of those home theatre room like set ups in stores so often, oohing and aahing over a crap picture, its not even funny. From what i've heard both BR and HD look great, and they make movies look awesome.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Based on this Talkback, the War isn't ending soon...

    by SpyGuy

    The upgrade from VHS to DVD made sense to the general consumer, because tapes were shitty in quality and jammed every so often. Another upgrade from DVD to HD-DVD or Blu-Ray? Not so much sense, especially when every time I go into my friendly neighborhood Target and hear people bitching about how they hate the widescreen format. If you can't sell the masses on widescreen, of all things, you sure as hell aren't going to sell them on HD-DVDs.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Sell out?

    by janitorz

    Did you have to take 5 showers after you posted this item? It's like the HD-DVD PR team write that for you. Why wouldn't you just get one of those combo players?

  • May 31, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    GRAMMAR

    by janitorz

    "It's like the HD-DVD PR team WROTE that for you". That's what I meant.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Yack, you know I am!

    by Abin Sur

    And you're dead on about the HDMI cables - shit, the satellite companies will throw in a free one when you buy an HD receiver. The Monster Cables are good performers in some aspects, but HDMI is HDMI - all that gold plating doesn't make a bit of difference.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Step back....

    by Automaton Overlord

    from our geek world for one second, and consider this; Your mother goes to get you a movie for x-mas, she will automaticaly understand what HD DVD is but Blu ray? HD DVD will win simply because of the self explainatory name. Even if you choose Blu Ray you will end up with mom's HD's as well.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    still too so

    by radjac33

    Blu-Ray and HD DVD count for about 5% of total dvd sales, the porn industry may have chosen HD, but Vivid is in talks with Sony to be Blu-ray exclsive, and then you have Wal-Mart they'll be selling HD-DVD players only (ps3 not withstanding). just some points to throw out.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Alien, Aliens, Pulp Fiction, Star Wars, Die Hard...

    by DannyParker

    ...The Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man, Spider Man 2, Return Of The Jedi, Kill Bill 1 & 2, Reservoir Dogs, The Terminator, The Fifth Element, Rocky, Jackie Brown, Fight Club, Lawrence Of Arabia, Predator, Silence Of The Lambs, Sin City, Robocop, Aladdin, Toy Story, Toy Story 2, The Usual Suspcets, Casino Royale & The James Bond Series, The Lion King, Mary Poppins, Some Like It Hot, Dances With Wolves..to name but a very few, will NEVER PLAY ON YOUR HD-DVD PLAYER!! Presumably you knew this when you decided to back HD-DVD only? And there i was thinking that you were a film fan Harry!

  • May 31, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Why is this site pushing HD-DVD when it is inferior?

    by ScreamingPenis

    mori's been doing it to. kinda suspicious.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    My 2 cents...

    by PCMODEMTCG

    I own both players and here is what is killing me... THE SAME EXACT TITLE IS $5 - $10 MORE ON HD-DVD THAN BLU-RAY!!! WHY??? Because the DVD version is included as well. GET THE PICTURE FOLKS - if I WANTED the DVD version, why the HELL am I buying the HD one? Forget the player pricing, it will be the pricing on the films that will matter. Look at the ads in Best Buy - typically will say "$29.99 Blu-Ray, $34.99 HD-DVD" I own 3 HD-DVD's. I own 21 BLU-Ray Discs. AND, I am an avid SONY hater, for the record. But I have yet to see a real crappy Blu-Ray (even Fifth Element was pretty damn good to me).

  • May 31, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Disc fanbois?

    by mondoz2

    WTF? People are getting all obsessive about what format of discs their players can use? Where does this mentality come from that makes people defend their hardware purchases as if it was a religion? I also love all the numbers people keep throwing out; HD DVD has 8827 titles, Blu Ray has 8826! Clear winner! This crap is just bad for the consumer, and you guys need to cite your number sources.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    HARRY BOUGHT BY TOSHIBA!

    by performingmonkey

    PS2s seriously helped the growth of DVD. PS3s are seriously helping the growth of Blu-Ray. Do not bet against Blu-Ray yet.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    HD vs Blu Ray

    by PlasmaOrb

    I have both HD DVD and Blu Ray... it all depends on the master they take it from... some HD DVDs i have seen like Sleepy Hollow and others look like complete shit, my regular DVD looks better upconverted. Same goes for blue ray, the 5th element looks like crap on blu ray, i think they rushed these movies out too quickly and didnt really master it properly for HD. The problem with the Toshiba HD-A2 is that it only does 1080i. You have to spend another $100 to get the 1080p version, which is HD-A20. I think blu ray looks better from what i have seen so far. More people seem to be behind it... Pioneer, Samsung, Sony, Panasonic and others compared to Toshiba. I like both... who knows what will happen. Will blu ray end up like Beta? Who knows...

  • May 31, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    Duh....

    by Gangar

    Upconvert looks way better than regular DVD, especially if you have an HDTV. That's all I'm saying. I shelled out big bucks for the TV but the format war is too expensive and too inconclusive for me to want to weigh in, so Upconvert is a good way to go until then. I've seen Bluray, etc. and it's amazing, but I can wait until I know which way the wind blows, and this is an inexpensive alternative. Jeepers, some of you guys really need to turn down the testosterone. They're just dvd's.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I'm just waiting for Universal to see the Blu-Raylight.

    by The Outlander

    If I go with Blu-Ray I miss out on Universal movies and TV shows, if I go with HD DVD I miss out on Sony, Disney and Fox movies and TV shows. Do the Math.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    about Excalibur

    by vaterite

    Maybe it's because I was born in 1980, and raised on Star Wars, but I tried to watch that movie, and turned it off after the first few minutes. Something about the cheap sets or bad lighting just made it unwatchable for me. I was quite disappointed. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with me?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Big Box Knuckleheads

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Well that makes sense. I guess I'll have to make friends with someone who has Blu-Ray so I can see what it really looks like.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    I'm Sold! Thanks Harry for solving that!

    by Frank Black

    This HD War was getting irritating. The PS3 is the only reason Blu Ray is selling and that won't last. HD DVD is the way to go!

  • May 31, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    A lot of bollocks in here.

    by Mickey The Idiot

    <p>1. Porn is unlikely to be a determining factor in this particular format war. Why? Because most of the porn companies are wary of transferring to HD because of the extra production costs. Some big players (e.g. Dig Playground) may leap but most will not make the extra investment until this is settled. So, the amount of porn available in HD will be nowhere near the levels seen during the VHS vs Betamax war (where the impact of video was actually to lower rather than raise costs). Economics people.</p> <p>2. This is NOT analogous to the VHS vs Betamax war anyway. With video we had various different formats (Video 2000 as well) with different physical sizes, so the notion of an all format player at mass market prices was out of the window. HD and BD are the same size - the technical challenge to manufacturing a tech demonstrator all format player has already been overcome (and that's what the LG model is, a tech demonstrator and nothing more). Now it's down to the consumer electronics industry to apply its traditional cost-down models to the hardware that goes into one of those, and that process is well underway. Expect AF-DVD at around $500 by Xmas and heading south shortly after that (matching the time when HD displays will really be reaching most households). So, to encourage people to opt for one player or another now on the grounds that there will be absolute victory for either format does the readers here a fucking huge disservice, Harry. We're really talking about something like DVD+ against DVD- even in the short term. All you are doing is bolstering the royalty revenues of one camp over another.</p> <p>3. Capacity claims are of little relevance. The fact is that both formats can already contain movies in 1080p with ACRES of headroom. The extra capacity is - if anything - largely for the gaming industry and even there most of the leading developers cannot see themselves getting anywhere near the ceiling on either format for perhaps two or more generations. Certainly, they won't be there by the end of the PS3's life cycle, not that of the Xbox 360. In short, both formats are ALREADY more than adequate to take us through for at least a decade if not longer.</p>

  • May 31, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Frank Black

    by PlasmaOrb

    Harry doesnt know what he is talking about. He is so behind the times when it comes to technology. He may know movies but he certainly doesnt know technology. Frank Black must be easily sold on things... i have 5 acres of swamp land in arizona that i can sell you for farming for only $500. Wanna buy it Frank Black?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Harry chose HD DVD

    by SylarTheCylon

    I'll go with BR because it's the superior format and it will have the Star Wars movies and Spiderman exclusively. An obvious choice.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    F*ck Blu Ray

    by lutermanji

    Blu Ray is doing well because people loyal to the PS3 have it, unfortunately there are about a billion people with the ps3, and they're gonna go hd-dvd because it's gonna drop the price first, since Sony has established they are counting on this to not bankrupt them, they can't drop it. Microsoft drops the price, game over.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Uh...Blu-Ray does that too...

    by MellowNinja

    I have a PS3, which is a Blu-Ray player as we all know by now. It plays all of my original DVDs too. And, it upscales them just like the HD-DVD player. Honestly, I had the HD-DVD player for the 360 for a little while, but the Blu-Ray was a better look to me.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Wow!

    by Schih Thayde

    You bought the one that advertises on your website! That's amazing news! It's such cool news! Wow!

  • May 31, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Who the hell...

    by HoboJuiceExplosion

    ...buys porn?! That's what the internet is for people! Porn choosing HD-DVD is inconsequential. Disc space will win over all. The real snafu for bluray is the price of their players. I'm sure that will change. It's a crap shoot at this point but BR has the lead for now.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Harry: Best talk back in years

    by talkbackgeek

    Coherent, well argued. and no comments about Bay.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Blu Ray Prices

    by PlasmaOrb

    Prices have dropped big time as of late... Sony's players are always expensive, cause they always charge more than everyone else no matter if its a TV, DVD player, stereo or whatever. The PS3 just updated to version 1.80 and that allowed the player to upscale all the discs to 1080. The update even made the old PS1 and PS2 games look better cause of what they added in the update. Ive seen dirt cheap prices on 1st gen blu ray players out there on the web. The new ones are cheaper than before. I have HD DVD and the player is so freakin slow to boot up and get things rolling. I throw a blu ray disc into the PS3 and it plays quickly, more so than the Toshiba player i have. I have both cause you can only get certain movies on each one, but the blu ray discs that i have look so much better than the HD DVD discs that i own and have rented. I think porn on HD DVD would be disturbing, cause you would see all the stretch marks, needle tracks and incisions from all the plastic surgery these women have. Might take away from the whole aspect of it cause you might be too grossed out by what you see in HD.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    "Blu-Ray", not "Blue Ray"

    by Teko

    Jesus, you're a professional, get it right.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    I thought "Blew Ray" WAS an HD Porno

    by Abin Sur

    I got some looks at the store asking for that one...

  • May 31, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Do professional movie reviewers buy their equipement at

    by teethgnasher

    Best Buy? I would think that Harry would have a professional audio/video person set him up. No, he just goes to Best Buy for his professional equipment. Hmm.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    HD DVD will win because...

    by Batutta

    ...Jo Blow consumer is an idiot. He'll see the word Blu-Ray and go huh, what the fuck's that, but HD DVD is self explanatory, plus it has logo recognition. PS3's won't make the format, as their aren't enough of them. It's winning now because only early adopters are buying HD players. Not until players are under a hundred dollars will the masses jump on board, and when they do, they'll go HD DVD for the above mentioned reason.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    What's in a name?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I sincerely think Blu Ray will win out because it's easier to say. Who wants a 5 syllable format? Not me! H is such an annoying letter anyway.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    PlasmaOrb

    by Frank Black

    5 acres sounds pretty good! Let me think about it, the way I already was about HD before Harry wrote his column. You guys are so quick to take a statement and jump on it with your claws and fangs out, looking for a fight. I am of the camp that accepts that discs are on their way out, whether it be DVD, BlueRay or HD but for now, I'll take the best option. Having managed a video store for 12 years assures me I know a thing or two about this industry and because I married a doctor, it means I could buy both if I wanted to so suck it, with love.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    okay guys, sheesh...

    by tmifune78

    what a bunch of goofy goober nuts (if I may quote Spongebob)...I own an HD-DVD player right now and bought one for my Dad for Father's Day since they were $237 on amazon (that price has since gone back up to $299) and I will most likely buy a Blu-Ray player or PS3 if they drop in price...but enough with the ignorance spewing concerning HD-DVD...yeah, Harry hurt HD-DVD more than he helped it with that admittedly ridiculously false article YET we all get it. He fucked up, we're all clear that Blu-Ray can upscale and has "hundreds" of titles and can play porn...thanks for the hundreds of posts pointing that out. So basically Blu-Ray is right back up there with HD-DVD again as far as those talents are concerned...whew! To the people spouting off Fox titles and Disney titles with reckless abandon that these will never see the light of day on HD-DVD...these guys are living in a dream world. Fox and subsequently MGM has pulled their upcoming Blu-Ray slate...what is hard to understand about that? They have NOTHING slated throughout the summer...this could and will probably change, sure, but it's still a ominous sign. Disney has less than 10 titles planned for the coming months...the highlight being, ahem, 'Wild Hogs' all the while Universal being firmly committed to HD-DVD confirming catalog release dates left and right. That one thinks they will automatically be transported to a galaxy far, far away because Fox is a, ahem, exclusive is also nutty. I can assure you that Lucas tells Fox what to do with his titles, not the other way around...anyway, Lucas was quoted recently saying that "'Star Wars' will not be on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for the forseeable future" so by the time Star Wars shows up in HD, it'll probably be for download. Also, check out the top story at videobusiness.com, the price drop has increased sales of HD-DVD players almost tenfold at some retailers...and their theatrical marketing hasn't even kicked in yet...my point? sadly, the war is far from over with the consumer having to suffer the most...

  • May 31, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    The people at Target...

    by ZoeFan

    Have no clue. What they're really gonna hate is all their full screen movies when widescreen is the standard in a year and a half from now.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    I've got both....but I prefer HD-DVD

    by zer0cool2k2

    I've got a PS3 and an Xbox360 with HD-DVD drive, but if a movie comes out in both Blu-Ray and an HD-DVD/Combo, I'll get the combo disc every time. Simply because I've got DVD players all over my house, one in my truck, a portable unit, DVD drives on my home and work PC's, and all my friends and family have DVD players. The combo discs allow me to watch the standard version wherever I want, or to loan out a disc. Blu-Ray means I watch in one location. BTW, Batutta, I made that same argument about joe six-pack a year ago, and people said I was an idiot. I still stand by it, but i'll go further and say many will buy blu-ray discs and then be pissed off when they don't play in their $29 Apex DVD player.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    The choice I would have made, Harry!

    by jwebby

    And I don't mean to sound like a kiss-ass! (what would kissing your ass even get me anyway?) I've believed for a while that, despite the studio love for BluRay, HD DVD has the advantage with the average consumer. One--the price. HDDVD was half the price of Bluray when the formats debuted. Second--future costs. HDDVD discs can be made on the same factory lines as regualar DVD (with some equipment modification). BD requires whole new manufacturing. Third--the name. To Joe Six-Pack, the term "HD DVD" is pretty east to wrap the head around. "Hey, it's a DVD that's in HD! This'll look great on that HDTV I picked up @ Wal-Mart!" As opposed to said Mr SixPack saying, "BluRay? What the fuck is that?" Studio loyalty to one format or another can and likely will change. Just like VHS vs Betamax, I would not be the least bit surprised to see the first Sony Hd-DVD players roll out by 2009. Sony's format options have not exactly played out well in the past. The PS3 is NOT going to decide this. Hell, Sony and Microsoft are currently getting the retail beatdown from Nintendo. With a machine that doesn't play ANY movies. And even though porn decided VHS v. Beta, don't think it'll be as big an issue this time. To much access to that online/on demand. Hope you are right, Harry. I'm leaning toward HD DVD myself. Really waiting to see if FOX jumps to HD DVD. Say what you want, Lucas-haters. Porn may not decide this format war. But a mega-super HD Star Wars Saga set might!

  • May 31, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    25 GB

    by gride9000

    that's better like beta. Dont tellme the pictures better than blu-ray, not even the fucking marketing people say that shit. HD is a smaller jump forward. How conservative of you Harry. You chose the Pat Buhcannon of video formats.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Worst Harry post since the Godzilla review

    by wash

    Seriously. Just a bunch of misinformed garbage. And I'm sure you won't man up to it because you're getting paid.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Don't be so sure on Disney/BR exclusivity

    by The PimpDragon

    From what I've been hearing, their exclusivity is only temporary. If they switch hit, then the Pirates trilogy will be on both formats and, if Blu-Ray's track record of extras continues, will have better content on HD-DVD. I've seen both, own HD-DVD and would own Blu-Ray if the players were more affordable, but I think here's where the war is at this time: Blu-Ray has better support from studios and an instant built-in market with PS3 sales (lackluster, though they may be) / HD-DVD has better extra features and more affordable players. Both offer about the same quality in terms of video/audio (i.e. 1080p, Dolby/DTS lostless sound), but what it will come down to is what the general public endorses. Most people have no idea what Blu-Ray is, but can figure out that HD-DVD is a DVD with HD qualities, thanks to DVD being a wildly accepted format and HDTVs being pushed so hard every day by Circuit City and Best Buy. I'm not talking about the folks on this board when I make this generalization - I'm talking about John Q. Public (i.e. our parents, casual consumers, etc.) who will look at value and name recognition more than the amount of storage on a disc. As I've said, when my parents embrace a technology, that's a sign that it's going to do well! My parents have no real clue what Blu-Ray is, but can figure out that HD-DVD is a higher quality DVD than a standard DVD. The casual consumer will determine the final outcome, folks. Not us.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Picture quality is the same!!

    by jwebby

    BD and HDDVD have one major thing in common. The picture quality. It is THE FUCKING SAME!!!!! I have seen both side by side displayed on the same model TV. Anyone saying one HD format looks better/worse that the other is a fucking mouth-breathing potatohead! Ah....that felt good.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Also for the BluRay outselling HD DVD bit...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    It's worth noting that BR outsold HD-DVD on the srength of Sony purchasing over a million copies of Casino Royale to give to PS3 buyers when those figures were collected.<br><br?Can't be bothered to find the culprit but, to whatever douche decided to post BluRay offered superior performance to HD-DVD; care to back that up with some facts?

  • May 31, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Upconverting DVD's

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Sorry, but with the Toshiba HD-A2 selling at $249 in some places, it makes more sense to buy a dedicated HD player that will also upscale your old dvd catalogue.<br><br>Honest to christ, the stupidity of some people who suggest that just buying an upscaling standard dvd player as an alternative is unbelievable. Look, upscaled movies look nice, but they don't touch true HD sources, broadcast or on disc. Makes no matter.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    casino roayale..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Not a million; 100'000 copies sold with more on order

  • May 31, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Porn

    by Tuscan01

    who wants to see some guys spotty ass in HD? The simple fact is that Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD "Blu-ray took over the sales lead in February, owning nearly three out of every four high definition disc sales. The sales breakdown also shows people preferring Blu-ray over HD DVD when there’s a choice available between the two formats for the same movie. Case in point - The Departed in Blu-ray outsold HD DVD 53,640 to 31,590 between Feb. 13th to March 31st. Additionally, eight of the top 10 selling high definition titles in the first quarter were on Blu-ray disc. For the quarter ending March 31st, there were 832,530 Blu-ray discs sold while sales for HD DVD numbered 359,300"

  • May 31, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    People who work in stores that say...

    by metaluna

    'Having managed a video store for 12 years assures me I know a thing or two about this industry' need to shut the fuck up. Like this somehow makes you an expert on the movie and electronics industry! Maybe if you owned a whole chain of them I might sit up and take a little more notice. Hilarious. Somehow having the authority to say 'if you buy three movies you qualify for a free bucket of popcorn and a bottle of Pepsi, sir' makes you a 'know a thing or two' about the film & TV industry that is somehow relevant to this. WTF???

  • May 31, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Who wants HD porn when porn's online for free

    by myspoonistoobig

    Why would people drop $35 bucks on a porn flick on HD, especially if SD porn DVD prices fall and either way given the huge amounts of free porn anyone can get online? This is a doubly-bad argument because if HD-DVD fails ultimately, they'll just put porn out on Blu-Ray anyway. Read www.thedigitalbits.com and you will understand.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I'm with you Harry--HD DVD is for movie lovers...

    by Yukon Cornelius

    "Blue-Ray" is a rip-off proprietary marketing scheme concocted by Sony--it's for large multinational corporations and ADD addled gamerz. DIVX anyone? ----- Mush!

  • May 31, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    lost! mgm?

    by mattgreene

    lost will debut on blu ray in december http://tinyurl.com/ytvjpp Jwebby my understanding was that fox pulled their catalog releases to add in he pip features since sony standardized that on their hardware. as for mgm, i don't see them switching camps anytime soon what with sony owning its home video division.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    It's PRICE, not porn, capacity, or even Sony....

    by Ninja Nerd

    ...that will win the format war. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that there will be a $150-$200 HD-DVD player readily available by Xmas. Sony may price cut the PS3 to $299-$349, but the fact remains that for the vast majority of people, having a "free" BR player with their game system isn't important. They just want the toaster, not the breadmaker. So, if there's no price competitive BR player on the shelves during the holidays, HD-DVD will "win" because the unit sales will tilt the studios towards more titles for that format. Sidenote - 99% of all consumers do not have the equipment, knowledge, or ability to get the most out of ANY HD source, broadcast or recorded media. I've seen dozens of HD-capable RPTVs, plasma, and LCD units setup with composite or S-Video cables, on-board scalers turned off or set wrong, HD cables boxes set to 480i/p, screen distance too close or too far, ambient lighting ignored, and so on. The point is that whatever subtle benefits one format may offer over the other is lost due to the average consumers knowledge and setup. This is one of the reasons PRICE will win. "If you cheap it, they will buy"

  • May 31, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    hey Flip63Hole!

    by staticneuron

    Because HD-DVD looks better and is winning. Duh! Obviously Nielsen VideoScan reports for the the past few months were inflated because of ps... wait.. They were just fabricated. And Blu ray eliminating the year long head start of HD-DVD was a fluke and not an indicator of trend. Just you see... soon all blu ray sales will stop.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Yukon is an idiot

    by PlasmaOrb

    They developed the HD stuff about the same time. Plus everyone rips people off when it comes to technology. Every company that makes technology is a multnational corporation, you freakin moron. I guess you forgot about the HD-DVD player that you can buy for your xbox 360.. so i guess those people are ADD addled gamerz, as you so put it. Sounds like Yukon Cornholio is just jealous that his minimum wage job wont let him buy HD-DVD or Blu ray at all. Everyone on here who gushes over Harry and his rhetoric is a complete kiss ass. Everyone puts him on a pedistal, but he likes alot of crap. It seems like he is starting to be bought off by corporations to make a biased opinion about things.... movies, technology, etc... As for combo players, there is only 1 out there right now. its that LG piece of shit. They fucked the HD DVD part of the player so bad, that they werent allowed to put the official HD DVD logo on their machine. Combo players are usually bad news, they usually do one thing right and the other one half assed.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    ...and Harry is only right about one thing.

    by Ninja Nerd

    Robin Hood is a visual feast and one of the best films of all time. Other than that, he's an idiot on this subject. If the BR player was a net of $199 ($299-$100 gift card), the article would have been the other way.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Whoever wins, we lose

    by KISON

    Both formats can and will survive until the next big thing for home use hits. There won't be a winner, people are looking at it too close minded. Everyone has their preference and as it should be, but I don't see one putting the other out to graze. You also have to think about how getting the content into your home may change in the next 10 years, discs may me out of the picture in favor of huge home media servers.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Welcome to HD

    by MotorcycleEmptiness

    Just dont say we didnt warn you when the DVDs you were waiting for get delayed for no reason.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Blu-Ray is easily going to win this one

    by Dannychico

    The PS3 was the trojan horse.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    The Adult Industry

    by FlyingGuillotine

    I've spoken to a guy who was producing adult titles back in the days of the Betamax/VHS format war. He said it wasn't the adult industry weighing in that tipped the scales to VHS... it was merely the release of the first really affordable home video player, which happened to be VHS. The more VHS players in homes, the bigger the demand for VHS titles. The adult industry merely followed in step with Hollywood. The same will likely apply to our current war... if there are significantly more Blu-Ray players in homes in three years' time, HD will likely fade.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    NEITHER FORMAT WILL WIN!!!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    They will continuously fight over prices, permits, etc... In the end, people will stick with their DVDs (since they will be cheaper). The companies will agree on a uniform third generation DVD format -- and all will be well (in about 2011). Me? I'm going to purchase an HD-DVD. Why? Cost. Less than half the price for the same quality. It truly sucks, however, that some of my favorite shows/films may never receive HD-DVD treatment.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    uhh..Fox postponed thier titles to add PIP?..please..

    by tmifune78

    Fox's Blu-Ray slate always sucked but you really think they postponed the titles Turistas, Commando, Me, Myself & Irene, Tristan & Isolde and Dude, where's my Car? to add PIP?!! Ridiculous. A diplomatic bowing out - the fact of the matter is that Fox is not all that interested in HD for any format even though they signed a TEMPORARY exclusivity deal with Blu-Ray. By the time one format actually becomes viable, studio support will sway like my wife's tits.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    The best dvd to get with your hd-dvd is... PLANET EARTH

    by Evil Hobbit

    HD-dvd will definately win. The PS3 is dying people, metal gear will be released on the 360. There's nothing left for Sony's console. Blu-ray is just to expensive. It is only a matter of time before every studio releases films on both format, like Warner atm, and then the hardware price becomes the ultimate judge for most people. There are also to many blu-ray discs encoded with the lame MPEG2 standard instead of the superior VC-1 or AVC. HD-dvd WILL win.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    According to the top page ad

    by skimn

    Ghost Rider's coming out on BluRay!!The arguement is over!!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I thought they were going to make a combo player

    by Mr Incredible

    One that played both formats. Didn't they have one at the last E3 consumers show?

  • May 31, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Boorman's daughter was hot in EXCALIBUR

    by Tacom

    Besides Helen Mirren John Boorman's daughter was another nice piece of ass in EXCALIBUR. Thank God Boorman was liberal(or perverted enough) to let his daughter who was playing Arthur's mom be nude in his movie. As for the format war, I couldn't afford HD-DVD if I wanted to right now. I'm still wait a few years to see who wins.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Get a combo player...when the prices drop.

    by film-fanatic

    Here's LG's: http://us.lge.com/superblu/

  • May 31, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Blu-ray outselling HD 3 to 1

    by Akira'sCrow

    Dual Layer Blu-ray holds 60 gigs of content. HD is half that.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Harry is uninformed, not a liar

    by Yack Backer

    I mean, he actually bought a floor model from Best Buy. He probably paid $200 for the HDMI cable too. Lame.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Harry, you didn't buy the extended warranty, did you?

    by Abin Sur

    ...'cause if you did, you got PWNED!

  • May 31, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Akira'sCrow...

    by tmifune78

    thanks for that...and wrong on both accounts...could you stand over there with Harry please and await your Conan "Ass" stamp.

  • May 31, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    before you back HD

    by v1c_vega

    Check the info on blu-ray from pioneer uk website. Read why they have gone with plasma and read about blu-ray and then say you don't want blu-ray over HD. HD may look better now but blu-ray sounds more durable for the future and with the right equipment will be at the very least a match for HD but has the potential to be better. HD has picked up support because it's the cheaper option.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    The year 2012: Holographic Versatile Disc is the best!

    by Heckles

    Doesn't matter which way you go it's going to be trumped in a few years. Then we'll debate the technology and so on. Everyone is going to have 4 copies of their favorite movies. What the hell do I do with VHS Star Wars trilogy, VHS Star Wars: Special Edition trilogy, DVD Star Wars: Special Edition trilogy, DVD Star Wars new trilogy...? Get the HD DVD version and jerk off to the super cool better sound and effects? Fuck that. They're always going to make these movies marginally better but since we dump hundreds of dollars into the technology we'll swear it's a tremendous difference. Bullshit. Gonna save the cash, I gotsta eat.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    PlasmaOrb--Idiot?

    by Yukon Cornelius

    An idiot I may be, sir or madam, however I already own a Toshiba HD player that I can currently watch Casablanca, Robin Hood, The Searchers, Forbidden Planet, Mulholland Drive, Elephant Man, The Thing, The Matrix, V for Vendetta, and hopefully soon Blade Runner along with other great flicks. I'm not anti-big business you twat, just pro-consumer--I want to see good (ie, not shite) movies in the highest quality, affordable format available, and right now, HD has a better selection of films IMHO. Besides, I always support the underdog. You can keep your Sony Blu-Ray player/PS3 and watch your exclusive Ghost Rider and X-Men 3 discs till your brain melts out your eye sockets. I'll hold off on POTC and Pixar movies until Disney relents and starts releasing on HD DVD in a year or so, ala the pay each time to play scheme DIVX that I referenced (Disney once was exclusive to DIVX before that scheme went belly up). Good day, sir--I said good day!

  • May 31, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the link, film-fanatic

    by Mr Incredible

    That price is an ass-kicker, though. I will be waiting for a price drop.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    And now, lets discuss the virtues of HD Porn

    by mooseaka

    Hmmm.... razor burns, ball sweat, ass pimples, wrinkles, caked on makeup, herpes sores, some particles of poo that they couldn't quite wipe... all on a 50 inch screen. Maybe I'll stick with SD porn on my 19" computer monitor for now.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Thou suckest, HD.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    BluRay = earth intruder.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Screw both formats

    by Freakemovie

    Hate to go all anti-progress on everyone, but I like my DVDs the way they are. All the perks I've heard that make these discs so advanced seem either pointless or unnecessary.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Heroes - HDDVD

    by Avengerdude

    Lots of people are saying on the Heroes forum that when the series comes out on HDDVD they are going to buy a Toshiba player. Could this be the "killer app" for HDDVD. I've got a Tosh E1 and a PS3 and I very much prefer the Tosh. At the minute I can only watch up to 1080i but I saw a proper 1080p screen yesterday and I was astounded at how much better the picture was. If you can afford 1080p get it.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD zealots are the most delusional twits

    by sizzler

    Facts Max capacity for DL single sided disc - BD 50GB HD-DVD 30GB Max Mux rate - BD 48 Gbps - HD-DVD 30 Exlusive HD-DVD studios - Universal Exclusive BD studios - Sony, Fox/MGM, Disney, Lionsgate. BD players play DVD too!! BD players upconvert DVD too!! PS3 kicks it old school over any toshiba HD-DVD player. BD has been outselling HD-DVD by a minimum of 60-40. HD-DVD's overall disc sales lead was oblitered just 3 months after PS3 was released. Current total since inception 57-43 for BD. I hope Harry REALLY loves Universal movies, cause thats all he's getting.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    so how much..

    by bionomic555

    are the HD-DVD people paying this site for this type of commercial plug to sell HD-DVD stuff? I don't care for either one, but it's pretty clear that if there is a winner out of the two, it's gonna be BlueRay disks, just for the ps3 alone spreading the format all over the world. Plus don't forget that BD have larger capacity, better data transfer speed and much greater industry support.

  • May 31, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray

    by Fiznu

    Well, Harry, first of all, you did NOT make a bad choice. I think you will enjoy HD-DVD quite a bit over the next couple years. That being said, I do believe you are wrong on a couple of key points, the biggest being picture quality. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are almost identical in picture quality when the release is mastered for BOTH formats. In this case, they make sure the encode will fit on the smaller HD-DVD and put the same version on both discs. The only difference an end user will see on the screen will be due to the differences in playback hardware. If the disc is Blu-Ray exclusive, then the studios will often encode at a higher bitrate, giving you more picture information, and a better picture! However, due to some studios rushing product to market for the launch, the older MPEG-2 codecs were used and the picture quality suffered. Most new Blu-Ray releases are re-encoded in VC-1 or H.264 now and look significantly better than early launch titles. Noteable is the impending re-release of everyone's favorite demo disc: "The Fifth Element". When this new version comes out, you will be able to see exactly what I am talking about. The most important piece of the format war puzzle is going to be studio support. What movies are available on what format? Customers are typically not comfortable with an "either/or" choice. They don't care about the technical virtues of Blu-Ray over HD-DVD (or vice versa)...all they care about is if little Timmy can watch "Cars" on the new HD flatscreen the family just got home! Here is where Blu-Ray has a noticeable lead over HD-DVD and guess what? It's not changed in over a year! Out of the 7 major studios, only Universal is exclusive to HD-DVD. Everyone else is either Blu-Ray exclusive or format neutral. Disney (and Pixar!) and Fox (Star Wars!) are both firmly in the Blu-Ray camp. There catalogs alone will sway many customers when they start releasing the "big" titles. Also, Sony's secret weapon, the PS3, while less successful than sony would like, is still driving customers to the store to buy Blu-Ray discs! Since the release of the PS3 in Europe, Blu-Ray has been outselling HD-DVD 2:1. The difference is even more profound here in the states. Bottom line, I think HD-DVD will be around for long enough that you will be glad you got your machine Harry, but don't be surprised if it shares a shelf with a Blu-Ray player in the coming years!

  • May 31, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Too much to ask for a detailed analysis?

    by FrodoFraggins

    Harry doesn't have his numbers right and it sounds like he purchased on a whim. Very responsible reporting there...

  • May 31, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Fuck Heroes on HD... LOST coming to Blu-Ray

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    TVshowsonDVD.com reports that LOST complete seasons are coming to Blu-Ray. A far superior show to Heroes, and it's coming out on the winnning format

  • May 31, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Lost and Heroes both suck...

    by tmifune78

    watching supposed good Network television shows like Heroes or Lost...or as I like to think of them: a mass of tiring, mediocre false tension-generating short films...on HD would be akin to having your ankles crushed and then snorting the dust..i.e. not every pleasant

  • May 31, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Micro$oft supports.....

    by hogansheroes

    HD DVD currently. I might be mistaken as this talkback thread has grown larger than my apt. but nobody has really touched on this that I have read(my apologies if someone made this point already). I think if Blu-Ray ends up winning it will be one of the big upsets in corporate history(not commenting on who is winning now). Fighting out of the Red corner, HD DVD uses existing laser technology allowing for "economy of scale" production metrics and backward compatibility. The slope of the storage capacity per disc is already beginning to steepen....but not steep enough to counter one of the main selling points of the guy fighting out of the Blue corner. Blu-Ray has alot stacked against it. It is a disruptive technology both in sense of production cost and application(no backward compatibility-more on this in a bit). The Disruptive Success Story is what drives the technological advancement of our society....but... it usually signals a disruptive break not just in cost but in QUALITY from previous generations and from competition. Blu-Ray has the former covered....but not the latter(everyone here seems to be in agreement with the industry that picture quality on both is practically identical to the human eye). Now we arrive back to backward compatibilty and practical application and not just in terms of consumer electronics. This is where MSFT comes into the picture. Everyone reading this should be able to figure out from the above why the largest company and producer of software in human history chose HD DVD. The Blu-ray cabal is counting heavily on the PS3 to build awareness for their format. The issues plaguing the launch of PS3 are, in some cases, directly attributable to the inclusion of Blu-Ray technolgy(price, availablity). Couple this with the rising production budgets and shrinking profit margins of video game content providers and things look not so good. The exclusive deals that Sony lived on from 3rd party developers are becoming a financial liabilty to the content creators. With a few notable Japanese exceptions, these guys are seemingly shifting the exclusivity fight to intellectual property. Very difficult to convince the NFL or Marvel to sign into an exlcusive deal when the combined market is so much bigger. Now that Vista is here and the wholesale migration will begin in force on the enterprise level as well as consumer, Microsoft will use its operating system leverage to shove HD DVD down its vendors' collective throats. There will be price incentive for everyone who does business with MSFT to migrate to HD DVD. Dell, HP, all the movie studios who support Blu-Ray etc will be able to do biz cheaper if they bend to MSFT's view. So to tie it all up(LOL you guys must be bored already) I see alot of posts about porn and video games and studio allegiances being what is gonna win this for either Red or Blue. If I had to bet though, Vista will decide this little war once and for all in the next 2 years. The combined might of all these companies will be driven before techtonic MSFT and the lamentation of thier women will be heard all round the world. On a Personal note....HARRY...INVITE ME TO BNAT FOR FUCKS SAKE ITS ONLY BEEN 5 YEARS OF APPLYING. ;)

  • May 31, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Whatever format gets the rights to Roadhouse...

    by Mik-to

    will be my pick. I can't wait to see that stuffed polar bear fall on the fat guy in HD! Patrick Swayze FTW!

  • May 31, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I'm no fan of BRD, but Harry, your tech newbishness...

    by SG7

    ...is showing. BRD and HD-DVD use the exact same codecs: H.264 and VC1. There is no quality difference aside from that introduced on the authoring side. The ability to play DVDs is no big deal, Sonys BRD player doses as well. The only reason to pick one of the other is the content and that's it.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Harry doesn't know , Harry doesn't know.....! Get It?

    by ludmir88

    You have to choose correctly Harry. Shaun of the Dead on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. Your life depends on it.Duhh what a geek. And i'm not going to throw away my dvd collection just to rebuy them in whatever the format will be in the next two years. And i dont like the color package of bluray. It will be look bad in my shelf

  • May 31, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Ya know, thinking about it Harry, you're foolish

    by Yack Backer

    Foolish to make a decision based on buying some floor model at an artificially lowered price, foolish to pose such behavior as rational thought and foolish for thinking that your deision matters. It doesn't. You're a good illustration of an uninformed consumer-- I'm not saying you'r wrong about HD-DVD being a future, sustained platform, but your methodology is about as reliable as it is thoughtful-- lacking entirely in both categories.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    HD-D2 player for $249

    by Defriender

    Costco has the HD-D2 player (includes HDMI cable)for $249 after instant rebate: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6447181.html You also get 5 free HD titles, one each from the following 5 categories: Category A - Apollo 13, Seabiscuit, Chronicles of Riddick Category B - Casablanca, Constantine, Dukes of Hazzard Category C - Four Brothers, Lara Croft: Tomb Raider, Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow Category D - The Rundown, Blazing Saddles, U2: Rattle and Hum Category E - U-571, The Perfect Storm, We Were Soldiers The cheapest Blu-ray player is still the PS3, at ~$600. I think HD will win out, based strictly on price point. If the two formats go into this year's retail season with such a disparity in price point, HD is going to crush Blu-ray.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    blue ray is better, and has more titles available and

    by wcoop893

    many more sold than HD. but HD does have the cheaper player

  • May 31, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Some day, both formats will be...

    by Pizza The Hut

    ...replaced with yet another format, and be tossed in the great big ol' junk piles of America, stinking up mother earth with more and more decaying plastics, along with VCR tapes, CD's, current DVD's, shitty old playstation games, worthless computer programs, etc. :-(

  • May 31, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    BR is backwards compatible, as well hogansheroes...

    by jfp2007

    Both BR and HD can play every standard DVD, and they use the same codecs. Sony rejected porn's attempt to license BR, so they went with HD by default and not by choice. Universal is the only studio that is HD exclusive, but this will change when it finally hits them in the head that BR is winning 3 to 1 over HD and will continue to do so from now on. BR has a higher capacity; thus it should have superior everything if this is addressed on the authoring side. The PS3 may have a few dents and dings on it, but it isn't going anywhere, and it is already turning around in the console war. More PS3s will be sold, and more BRs will be sold because of it. Anyone who thinks HD looks better than BR are lying because you can't tell. Maybe, with the old BR codecs, but not with the same identical ones.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    got both but prefer hd dvd its just better

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    go mets in 07

  • May 31, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    "YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKIN' SLAVES!"

    by la_sith

    I just got an Oppo upconverting DVD player for my 1080, and it works just fine and looks great. I refuse to buy into this stupid debate as to who will win. Who fucking cares. By the time it's figured out, another format will be introduced, and all of you nitwits will be mocking those who still own "crappy HD-DVDs".

  • May 31, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Is Blu-Ray $300 better than HD-DVD?

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    That is of course assuming that Blu-Ray is better at all. Picture-wise, most experts are claiming that the encoding on HD-DVD is better. Content-wise Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and all those great movies are not out of either format. Of course all of this is moot now that people have their Hard drive full of HD-Rips that WILL play on media centre a la Xbox 360! HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are already irrelevant.

  • May 31, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    DarfurOnTheRocks, your question is kind of biased

    by Yack Backer

    HD-DVD had a year's lead time ahead of BR, that's why they have second-generation players out now that they can price lower. Sony is till getting through their first round of players, so they haven't had a chance to lower their prices yet. They will. So, I take issue with your rhetoric. Good day, sir!

  • May 31, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Blu-ray is the new Beta!

    by Jack Napier

    Watch Sony run it into ground.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Blu Ray has this locked up

    by Jack Burton

    The selection is greater with more studio support. This fall will see Spiderman 3, Pirates 3, and Die Hard 4 with the inevitable HD upgrades to the entire series. Plus the price of HD DVD is damn high. Children of Men was $40 on HD-DVD at Target. That is ridiculous. Not that Blu Ray discs are much better but I haven't seen one for $40 yet. Until they get the prices lower both formats are screwed.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    I agree with la_sith

    by film-fanatic

    I bought an Oppo DV-981HD recently and couldn't be happier with it's upconversion of my regular DVDs. http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/dv981hd_index.html

  • May 31, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Headgeek has chosen HD-DVD... Here's Why...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    It's simple... <p> ...porn...

  • May 31, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Hey film-fanatic, the second I get my new flat panel

    by Yack Backer

    I'm getting the Oppo player too. Do you run it on a 1080p display?

  • May 31, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    HD upconversion...THE TRUTH!

    by jwebby

    I myself use an upscaling DVD player (Sony NS75H). Mainly due to the fact that it fit in my then-new AV rack (my old 5-disc changer did not). However any current HDTV will take the 480i signal from ANY decent SD DVD player and internally scale it to the HDTV's native resolution (be it 720p, 1080i or 1080p), often as well or better than an upscaling DVD player. Only way to improve on that is by using an outboard scaler. 480i output via component vs 1080i upscaled via HDMI looks THE FUCKING SAME on my HDTV--both look great. And before the Oppo fans decide to flame me by saying "Shoulda got an Oppo" or "The Sony sucks!" (don't get me wrong, the Oppos are nice units), keep in mind that both the Sony 75H and the various Oppo units scored essentially the same in various PQ tests inthe HQV Benchmark tests. A quick trip over to the AVS Forum will prove that.

  • May 31, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    To Yack Backer

    by film-fanatic

    Yeah, I have a Sony KDS-50A2000 and the picture is awesome. They've since replaced it with the Sony KDS-50A2020.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Without studio support for BluRay...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...the Blu Ray disk would have lost to HD DVD quite a long time ago. The bottom line to consumers is COST COST COST (especially when the quality is so comparable). If any of the Blu Ray supporting studios caves in and begins to create HD DVD versions -- or vice versa -- then the "contest" is over. My money is on HD DVD because of the cost. The cheapest model is the $199 addition to the XBox 360 (and a $299 stand alone version). The cheapest Blu Ray? The PS3! At $599 for the PS3 (and $799 price for the cheapest stand alone version), it is still far too expensive to make a dent into the sale of movies.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    As the stockroom door opens...

    by HoboJuiceExplosion

    "You're gonna be my regular Saturday night plaything!"

  • May 31, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    To anchorite

    by film-fanatic

    I never said that upconverting a regular DVD is as good as HD satellite (which I have) or an HD-DVD. I'm just saying that I'm satisfied with upconverting my hundreds of DVDs on my 1080p display.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Blu-Ray is already dead

    by CornsilkSW

    It died even faster than Betamax. Way to go Sony, two in a row. Just chuck your PS3s in the garbage now, or take 500 bucks, put it in a barrel, and burn it... It's faster that way.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    anchorite, that's interesting b/c you're talking about

    by Yack Backer

    a dish signal. I did a test of REVENGE OF THE SITH on a PS3 with upscaling to 1080i and compared it with a 1080i cable broadcast (I think it was coming in at 60hz) and the upscaled dvd beat the cable signal. FYI, I ran the test on a 56" 1080p Samsung DLP set. Do you think dish signal is inherently stronger? Or maybe the disc itself- ROTS is likely as well-authored a DVD as you can get.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    about the blu ray sales...

    by Snukadaman

    when you got a ps3 thats suppose too be a game console with no games you can either watch a blu ray movie which alot of people do..or folding@home

  • May 31, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    To all the "downloding is the future" folks....

    by WONKABAR

    ...are you fucking nuts? Forget about taking drive-space, how 'bout the fact that studios etc. would just adore the notion of consumers not having an actual hard-copy of "their" content? Then we can enjoy expiration-codes, limits on how often we can watch/burn etc. 'leasing" movies etc....fuck that. People will ALWAYS want the hard-copy...or at least they should. Excalibur....good choice "Show the sword!" "It's the boy-king!" the Charm of Making etc...a treasure of mass-quotables.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    PS3 blu-ray sales

    by gerrylum

    I'm a gamer AND a movie lover. As long as I can remember I've never played a video game and watched a movie at the same time so the PS3's current lack of games does not affect my movie buying habits in the least, other than the fact that I'm buying blu-rays instead of DVDs.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Upconversion

    by Praetorius

    If you love jagged lines and shit picture, by all means, use a $300 HD-DVD player to upconvert. Harry you're way off base with this one.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    I held out on responding on this BS for as long as.....

    by avernus

    ......I could alright... HD DVD has the more attractive price....blu-ray (not blue ray) has the superior technology.... so from a short-sighted view, you go HD-DVD...especially when an idiot posts disinformation about the opposing product.... let's see what is exclusive for HD-DVD.... Universal what studio's support both formats?... Warner (WB) Paramount what studio's are exclusive to Blu-ray? everything else I did not list that is a major studio... Sony (tri-star/columbia) Disney (buena-vista/miramax) Fox MGM Lionsgate this means the Pirates series will be exclusive...the spider-man series as well....as well as a whole bunch of other movies... the highlight for HD-DVD is the Matrix collection.....but blu-ray is getting that later this summer anyways..... so when you have tour facts straight...HD-DVD is pretty much a waste of money if you want to own high-def content.... now whether blu-ray is a convenient price is up to the consumer....but even the PS3 is more than a fine piece of machinery when it comes to playing DVD's AND BD's...... AND YES....BLU-RAY PLAYERS DO PLAY STANDARD DVD'S...this was more than hilarious to read..

  • May 31, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I hope HG is right...

    by WONKABAR

    cuz it would sure be alot easier for me to just pick up that 360 HD add-on in time for 300...

  • May 31, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    to: ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by avernus

    hey ccchhhrrriiisssm....do they even still sell the 299.99 version of the 360?...I don't think so...and when you consider all of the costs, you get 499.99. not to mention no HDMI or 1080p without the HDMI... so with the Elite version, you spend 479.99 and 199.99, that's 680 bucks. not to mention that on average, HD-DVD movies cost at least 5 bucks more than blu-rays.....and then you have what I said previously.............................................studio support.....

  • May 31, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Porn

    by Praetorius

    And when was the last time anyone here bought porn? That may have been a tipping point in the late 70's, but it doesn't matter now.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    TVWeek: HD-DVD Makes Gains Against Blu-ray

    by Hercules

    Sales of HD-DVD titles have made gains on their Blu-ray counterparts in recent weeks, with Amazon.com tracking showing sales of the Toshiba-owned format matching and even surpassing Sony titles. <br><br>http://tinyurl.com/2supfu

  • May 31, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    avernus...

    by tmifune78

    could you please step in line with Harry and Akira'sCrow to receive your Conan 'Ass' stamp. Can you please point me to an upcoming release list with Fox and MGM Blu-Ray titles please? I'd like to see all these titles they got planned...and Blu-Ray gets "the pirate series and the spider-man series and a whole bunch of other movies" - you heard it right here, folks, a Blu-Ray spokesman. Can you also point me to a The Matrix Collection Blu-Ray release date that has it coming out later this summer? and while you're out at it, a link to the Blu-Ray release date for Blade Runner which has been confirmed for HD-DVD. And if everybody is going to consider Lion's Gate a big plus, then consider that the Weinsteins are HD-DVD exclusive too...meaning whatever they do with Grindhouse will be HD-DVD exclusive. People are sheep, research needs to be done to make more sense of the BS people are spreading. It's also clear that almost every BR owner/supporter in this talkback has spent a considerable chunk of change on a PS3. That will of course need justification.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Herc, that is a direct result of Amazon

    by Yack Backer

    and other retail stores selling the low-end Toshiba player for $300 and below. The war isn't over.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Welcome to the club old bean,.Bluray is for homos

    by picardsucks

    Wanted to welcome you to every growing club. just watched John Carpenter's The Thing on HD-DVD - Fucking Awesome!!!!! Can't beat the price, can't beat the free HD-Dvds offer. Fuck Sony and Fuck PS3 Xbox 360 ownes anyway.

  • May 31, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    tmifune78, all 20 people that saw GRINDHOUSE

    by Yack Backer

    care about what you've said.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Worldwide

    by gerrylum

    It's also interesting to note that while the HD race is somewhat close here in the US (with Blu-Ray STILL in the lead), Blu-Ray is also doing quite well overseas, with BR discs accounting for more than 64% of the HD market, and growing.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Japan Numbers

    by gerrylum

    Also, in Japan Blu-Ray accounts for 96% of the HD market.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Yack Backer....

    by tmifune78

    congrats, you just skipped to the front of the line for the 'Ass' stamp. So, you mean all those cheap Toshiba players that have been selling actually get people to buy HD-DVD movies? Wow. Ahh, and a poor soul who chooses his films dictated by how well they did in theaters. Makes perfect sense. So along with Grindhouse, you shouldn't care about Army of Darkness, The Thing, The Big Lebowski, etc. being HD-DVD exclusive...

  • May 31, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    avernus...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Good points. Yes, they still sell the $299 version of the XBox 360. Regardless of whether or not they discontinue the entry model, the glorious advantage of a OPTIONAL high definition HD-DVD expansion is that, if Blu Ray happens to win the war, all XBox 360 users will be out is an expansional player (and subsequently purchased HD DVDs). The PS3 fans would, however, have to replace the internal drive (not too easy for the casual gamers) -- or the entire system. Sony has, unfortunately, placed all of their eggs into the one box (Blu Ray) that they created. When some of the far more anticipated games come out for the 360 (such as HALO 3), I suspect that sales will go through the roof. More XBox 360 users do not necessarily translate to more HD DVD expansion players, but the $199 price tag will certainly be appealing. ... ... ... ... As for the advantages of HD DVD, the stand alone $299 (and under) players are very operational. I own one (purchased back when it went for $399), and it is beyond all that I expected. Don't get me wrong, Blu Ray is a tremendous format! I just think that cost will be the ultimate factor. If HD-DVD becomes a hot item (due to its much lower cost), then I suspect that some of these major studios will begin to offer films in BOTH formats (ala VHS & Beta in 1985). Studios will not hesitate where money is to be made! While Blu Ray may have its advantages, they will evaporate in the terms of cost and availability.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    tmifune...

    by avernus

    wow, this looks like fun. the matrix trilogy will be out later this year on blu-ray...not later this summer...however, it still isn't an HD-DVD exclusive...unlike the majority of blu-ray titles...and now I'm a blu-ray rep? ahahahaha.....also, MGM and Fox titles don't have release dates yet, and god forbid they did.....BD is already killing HD-DVD and these studios don't have anything listed yet until the holiday season...also, if you're saying the blu-ray supporters are coming with complete BS, then you clearly haven't read paidgeeks' review.....it has BS throughout the entire review...THERE IS NO DENYING THAT....and this format war won't be won in 2007, so MGM, Fox and warner half-assing their releases will not and have not hurt blu-ray...as they have dominated sales...period...and will continue to....and when you mention the PS3...what about it?...HD-DVD supporters talk about it as if it is a cruTCh, when in fact it has helped cruSh HD-DVD....so why does it need justification?....numbers speak for themselves, not disinformation by paidgeek...

  • May 31, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker, exactly.

    by Hercules

    HD-DVD players now cost $200-$300. Blu-ray players cost a lot more. If you pump the same movie into the same HD set using either HD-DVD or Blu-ray, I can't tell which is which. (I know both look one FUCK of a lot better than regular DVD on that set, but I can't tell HD-DVD from Blu-ray.) None of my many film geek friends can tell whether I'm playing HD-DVD or Blu-ray. I doubt any objective individual could. <br><br> Bottom line: It's been over a year already. Blu-ray needs to find a way to get its players' prices down to HD-DVD levels, and pronto.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    prepare for the flood

    by radjac33

    Low end players will be out around this holiday season and coming from the number one retail store in the US. Thats Wal Mart and its $250 HD-DVD players.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Herc, haven't HD-DVD players been out longer?

    by Yack Backer

    They've gone through their 1st generation players already. I'm going to do some digging on the subject, but I suspect that Blu-Ray players will come out later this year with slashed prices too. Like you said, BR cannot afford to wait much longer, that's certain.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Microsoft has already announced...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...that the price for the HD DVD expansion player will be reduced to $149 by Christmas. What will the price of a Blu-Ray player be? Unless Sony is planning on a surprise drop in price for PS3, then you will still need to rack out at least $599 (or still pay $799 for a stand-alone player). Ouch! It would be GREAT for a comparably priced Blu-Ray player to be released for $300 or so. If this doesn't happen before Christmas 2008, my guess is that the winner will already be declared by Christmas 2009. ... ... ... ... ... ... "Welcome to Wal-Mart! Would you like a HD-DVD player in your PS3?!?"

  • May 31, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    i have both...

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    and i prefer HD, hands down...the colors are much more balanced than on the Blu Ray and the pixilation is a lot less noticable, if at all depending on the title. honestly guys, DVDs dont need 50 GB of space. thanks for the review harry. i was thi thinking about upgraing my HD player and i think you sold me on this one.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    hercules

    by avernus

    you are correct.... however, 7 of the top 10 movies in 2006 are BD exclusive and the other 3 are supported by both formats... content is key here, you'll know which format you are watching when you see which movie is being played.. also, BD will drop in price by the end of the year, not as much as HD-DVD...but when people actually look to see the exclusive titles on blu-ray they will either wait for BD player prices to come down, decide on HD-DVD and buy a BD player later or buy a BD player now... why buy a format that only has so many worthwhile titles?...I expect alot of people to hold off until Universal wises up and notices where the consumer money is going...not to mention that HD-DVD dominated the high-def market over in europe up until the release of the PS3 and ever since then, BD has FLAT-OUT dominated....I mean, if HD-DVD wins this format war, then I will buy one...but they could go down to 99.99 and it's still a waste of money to me when there are a serious amount of titles that will never see the light of day on that format (unless they manage to win)....

  • May 31, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc, one brief bit of sales isn't anything special

    by PervOmatic

    You'd think that you would realize that one brief surge in a sector of the market isn't changing the turn of the tide. HD-DVD is getting it's ass kicked in overall sales. The trend in sales has been Blu-Ray. It also has more movies coming down the pipeline and more studios with exclusives. Do a bit more research next time than just one single article. Also, the price point at this stage isn't the biggest issue because people investing in this type of new tech are early adopters. Early adopters are mainly technophiles with lots of spare cash or credit cards that they can slap the goods on. These aren't poor college kids counting their nickels and dimes to see if they can afford it. Yeah, the players need to come down in price but then again, so do the movie prices. Sheesh...come up with some good arguments next time.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    The trend is there

    by staticneuron

    http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ At least out of all the rubbish I have heard, Herc makes a sensible arguement. I still see BR as being a winner but price is also a factor.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Here's a good starting point re: Blu-Ray's future pricing

    by Yack Backer

    http://tinyurl.com/267ve6

  • May 31, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    oh wait, sorry Yack Backer....it's looks like we..

    by tmifune78

    have a close race. You and avernus are neck and neck for the ass stamp. I never said The Matrix Collection was HD-DVD exclusive...but, yeah, The Matrix Collection is pegged for 'later this year' but not later this summer, glab we got that cleared up. Ok, and you couldn't find any upcoming releases from Fox and MGM. Big Surprise. Ahh, but it won't matter cause Blu-Ray is already "killing" and "crushing" HD-DVD. Hmm, indeed. All those silly recent hardware and software sells lists making HD-DVD sales up. You stinkers. I will say that Harry's article was BS and hurt HD-DVD more than help...but that's all your getting out of me!

  • May 31, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    That 3 to 1 in sales point

    by radjac33

    do thoses "3 free" blu-ray movies figure into the final count, is it fair that SONY is buying their own disc when you purchase a BR player.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    If history teaches us anything...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...it is that people will put their money down where the price is lowest. VHS became the winner of the VCR WAR only after the price of a device lowered considerably. When the price is low, people will buy. When people buy, the major studios will depart from any "exclusive" versions of a high definition disk. I haven't seen any sort of major projected price drops for Blu-Ray -- even heading toward Christmas. Their expensive production cost will likely keep prices above the $500-$600 mark well past Christmas 2007. This is a dagger! The three important factors are: 1. Cost of player. 2. Title selection and 3. Backward Compatibility. While Blu-Ray continues to enjoy more title selection, the potentional amount of purchases will continue to suffer due to player price. The war is far from over, but HD-DVD seems to have two of the three factors well in hand.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    tmifune78, relax dude

    by Yack Backer

    I'm not fighting for Blu-Ray, and I'm certainly not debating your points. I just found it odd that you mentioned GRINDHOUSE in the context of in-demand titles. The movie was largely a flop, ignored, etc. Be cool.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    you can argue that titles trump player price ...

    by Hercules

    ... but I don't buy it. If the Blu-ray titles never come to HD-DVD (which strikes me as pretty dang unlikely), I sense most consumers will just wait till Blu-ray players fall under $200 and will simply own both players and an A/B switch. But the HD-DVD-player owners are gonna be buying a LOT of HD-DVDs while they're waiting.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Tip on the Oppo DV-981HD upscaling player

    by Yack Backer

    It comes with an HDMI cable. Niiiice!

  • May 31, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    tmifune

    by avernus

    how much money is being made....errr lost on these 2nd generation HD-DVD players that are practically being given away?... the money isn't being made on the players, it's the movies ahaha

  • May 31, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    radjac

    by avernus

    what about the 5 free HD-DVD titles being given away with every Toshiba player?...I'll throw you a bone and say that evens out the 3 free titles that you mentioned by sony....and I don't even know where you got that from because I've yet to hear of it..

  • May 31, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    also...tmifune

    by avernus

    whats with your infatuation of stamping everyones ass?...grow up..

  • May 31, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    I can't be cool because

    by tmifune78

    I'm bored at work..which is basically the talkback equivalent of a raging alcoholic looking for a barfight, heh.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD, Blu-Ray... Who cares?

    by Lio Convoy

    Honestly, who cares? You've got your HD-DVD player, well, good for you. I've got my PS3, which plays Blu-Ray, well good for me. They both play regular DVD's as well. Well, good for us. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    hercules

    by avernus

    you may not buy that point...but the consumers are speaking up....blu-ray came out after HDDVD and have had them in a stranglehold for the entire year and 'since inception'...in the US, Europe and japan... and just as universal has said they refuse to support anything other than HD-DVD, Disney and Sony companies have said the same thing about BD.....Disney>>>>Universal...you may find the exclusives unlikely, but why go elsewhere when they are doing just fine where they are at?...even with the late start and more expensive player...which will be a factor for only so long..

  • May 31, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    lio convoy..

    by avernus

    exactly...

  • May 31, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD owners

    by gerrylum

    HD-DVD-player owners are gonna be buying a lot of HD-DVDs in the meantime? Well, I hope they're not picky because the selection ain't gonna be that great. ;)

  • May 31, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Great way to start a debate Harry

    by Phategod2

    you crack me up I know you knew this would start a TB bitch fest congratulation You deserve the bandwidth

  • May 31, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    phategod2

    by avernus

    well, someone had to correct the disinformation he spread with this crappy article...I guess he figures he'll get more attention with BS than if he actually knew what he was talking about..

  • May 31, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    err..

    by tmifune78

    avernus...buddy ol' pal...stamping everyone's ass..heh. It's actually the 'Ass' stamp which Conan O' Brien uses on his show so I guess I grow up when Conan does...which hopefully will be never!

  • May 31, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    avernus, you're talking about 2006-2007.

    by Hercules

    whoever made the analogy about the little-dick contest got it right. Last year so few players and discs were sold that first-year performances means nothing. Nothing, I say. Ignore all prior data. Look instead to 2007-2008. The brand new HD-DVD-player price drop changes EVERYTHING. If Blu-ray doesn't match their prices within the next few months, I think we're going to be living in a VHS/Beta Mac/Windows PlayStation/XBox two-format world for the next decade or more.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Microsoft announced... (for real?)

    by mooseaka

    Microsoft announced that the XBOX 360 HD expansion drive will go down in cost by the end of the year? O RLY? Did they replace their marketing department with a bunch of baboons? When in the history of consumer sales has a company ever released to the public when it plans to make a drastic price drop? Who in their right mind would buy an HD expansion drive today, or anytime over the next six months knowing it would go down in price by Christmas? (This is coming from someone who was probably the last sucker to pay $300 for his PS2 before they dropped the price $100 two weeks later).

  • May 31, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Headgeek misinformed...

    by Scott Hettrick

    Backwards compatible with DVD as a reason to go HD DVD? Not a good reason -- Blu-ray can play DVDs as well. Upconvert DVD to 720 & 1080? Uh, no way. And Warner puts their classic and new movies on Blu-ray also. Glad you are enjoying that great high-def image conversion of your favorite movies. Want to see more classics from Disney and Fox and Sony and Lionsgate on that great high-def image you are loving? Only on Blu-ray.

  • May 31, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    No Lost On Blu-Ray

    by todo0714

    Hate to break it to you but Lost isnt going to be on Blu-Ray. http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Disney/Disney_Says_No_to_Lost,_Badder_Santa_on_Blu-ray/671

  • May 31, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    IM FOR HD-DVD...

    by Ry_Dermo

    HOWEVER...who cares and why should we give a shit what Harry says? I must admit I have chosen HD DVD, but thats simply because I own an xbox and thought the add on drive for 100quid here in the UK was a bargin, esp when the players are like 500quid for a standalone HD player and nearly 900quid for a Blu-ray player. I think if blu-ray was cheaper and I didnt already own an xbox I would have gone with blu-ray, simply for the titles -xmen, hellboy, bond etc...but you know for 100quid i'm really happy with my HD add on drive and I've really enjoyed the whole in movie experiance on flicks like Batman Begins and V for Vendetta etc. I think Harrys argument is very weak, not that I care, but both formats seem really cool and both have their own thing going on. Harrys view is beyond narrow on this one, esp when hes in a position of "power" like he believes he is. I think this "war" has not even started, we are geeks, we are into this kinda thing, the average joe who is being forced to buy HD TVs (well here in the UK anyway) are totally unaware of this format war. You say Blu-ray to somebody and they say "what?" you say "Hd-DVD" and they say "is that like the TV but now with a DVD?" people just dont know about it yet, or even care enough to know. It just sounds like spending money!....I think ultimately the public will go with what sounds safe when the time comes and thats HD DVD.....It sounds familiar....however how soon can you see this happening? Can we all see the entire globe being on HD players in the next 12-18months? I certainly cannot and thats beacuse right now DVD aint broken for the average joe, the average joe can record on DVD and have DVD rom drives, DVD camcorders, an entire collection of movies re purchased (after the death of VHS) on DVD......you see its not like the VHS when everbody wanted to see the back of the fuckin thing, this format aint dead and right now I cannot see either making a HUGE impact, yeah selling a few mill copies of the departed or bond, but get a player into every house anytime soon.......I DONT THINK SO.........just my thoughts, but hey they are alittle more open than Harry's right!??

  • May 31, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Weinstein is NOT HD-DVD exclusive

    by Chrighton

    They announced support for Blu-ray long ago. They intended to support HDDVD first, then work on Blu-ray titles in (later) 2007. Amazon HD-DVD sales spikes can be accounted for, just visit the AVS forums and look at the morons organizing HD-DVD "buy days" to try and pull their doomed format of choice out of the gutter. The other studios like FOX pulled their blu-ray release schedule for the upcoming BD-Java 1.1 update, scheduled later in the year (and no, not for just PiP, like the HD-DVD desperation FUD'ers would have you believe).

  • May 31, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    But keep in mind....

    by WONKABAR

    that "average consumers"....the types who would be interested in buying those cheaper HD-DVD players...probably don't have HDTVs yet anyway. So HD-DVD better get some more studios on it's side faster than Blue-Ray can drop in price otherwise it could be over. Because once middle-America starts getting their plasmas and LCD's etc. this X-Mas & next, you can sure shit bet that Blue-Ray will have come down in price as well and the cheap-Toshibas ain't gonna mean jack. And if Disney is still holding out by then...forget it. Look, I'm an XBOXer and I've been kinda rooting against Sony, but if Blue-Ray wins I'm sure Microsoft will come out with a BR-add-on device for XBOX too. The thing is, I just want a format to emerge, before they're able to start foisting...like I mentioned earlier... "soft-copy/continuous-pay/hell-format" bullshit on us.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD money goes into AIN'T IT COOL

    by IMbeta

    Aren't you guys advertising HD-DVD on the ad banners... which would lead me to think that you already get HD funds. So, I call bullshit - but I can't trust any of the AIC people as far as which format may or may not be best.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    To be fair

    by gerrylum

    I also see Blu-Ray ads on AICN as well. Just not as heavily as HD-DVD.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    herc...

    by avernus

    Im talking about the movies coming out on blu-ray and some of the ones have already come out recently... 1. POTC: Dead Man's Chest (BD) 2. Cars (BD) 3. X-men: The Last Stand (BD) 4. The Da Vinci Code (BD) 5. Night at the Museum (BD) 6. Superman Returns (BD + HDDVD) 7. Ice Age: The Meltdown (BD) 8. Happy Feet (BD + HDDVD) 9. casino royale (BD) 10. Talladega Nights (BD)....then you have the top movies of this year..1. Spider-man 3 (BD) 2. 300 (BD + HDDVD) and then the rest are going to be replaced by POTC: at worlds end, Fantastic 4: rise of the Silver Surfer, Shrek the 3rd, Transformers...to name a few which again is pretty much dominated by BD or at worst, comes out on both formats....

  • May 31, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Lost not being on Blu-ray FUD

    by Chrighton

    Season 3 collection is not coming *THIS FALL*. That's all Disney said. They were merely countering the claim that the collection would be out in December. They also reiterated their exclusive support for Blu-ray while they were at it. Sucks for you I guess.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Well The Only Sure Thing About .......... BR vs. HD-DVD

    by Red Dawn Don

    Is that nobody knows for sure which format will win-out. If you did you would be making winning bets in Las Vegas. Seems like most posters opinions are based on what they bought. As far as numbers go MARK TWAIN said ....... There are 3 kinds of lies. LIES, DAMN LIES, and worst of all STATISTICS. Now shut-up before I send all of you to the NERVOUS HOSPITAL. (A litle Slingblade-ism) [Harry number these comments in the dark blue date boxes.]

  • May 31, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    avernus

    by Hercules

    I know.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    red dawn don...

    by avernus

    of course nobody knows who will win....but the hd-dvd argument is that they offer a cheaper product, but you get what you pay for as far as content....they both have their vices...but blu-ray being the superior format with studio backing that makes hd-dvd look like a catfish in comparison....no spine..

  • May 31, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Only the most dedicated...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...technophiles are likely to spring for both machines. Let's not forget that many people may still need to upgrade their TV to HD equipment. If one format vastly undercuts the other in price, it should leave its' competition in the dust. I'm still waiting to see who blinks first. It looks and sounds as though HD DVD is making its' best move. Now to see if and/or how Blu-Ray counter punches; and if Sony is still stinging at all from getting it handed to them in the VHS/Betamax war.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    fair enoug herc..

    by avernus

    you at least put up a healthy argument, unlike some of the other hd-dvd supporters here.... too bad this site supports hddvd in a seriously biased fashion...I'd actually come here again...

  • May 31, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    I still won't put it past someone

    by gerrylum

    to come out of nowhere with a low-priced Blu-Ray player to compete with HD-DVD.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    i love how herc and harry

    by CQuest

    are both so for HD-DVD. HMMMM I WONDER WHY? i also love how they are ignoring all the people calling them plants. 90% of the posts in this talk back are pro blu-ray. small sample size, but shows u something.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    i love how herc and harry

    by CQuest

    are both so for HD-DVD. HMMMM I WONDER WHY? i also love how they are ignoring all the people calling them plants. 90% of the posts in this talk back are pro blu-ray. small sample size, but shows u something.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Of course there will be cheaper Blu-ray players

    by Chrighton

    How can one not expect there to be, that's competition. The chinese are already at work on it, expect cheaper units to appear and prices to drop for namebrands for the holidays.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU MICHAEL BLU-RAY!

    by Johnno

    Stop kicking HD-DVDs ass! You're ruining it!! Stop it!!!

  • May 31, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Something Really Funny .......... In The Future Will Be

    by Red Dawn Don

    ... when one format wins out, saying the other format's name will be the subject of ridicule. For example "I bought Blu-Ray, how lame am I?" or "I was in the thrift store and they had a dusty shelf of HD-DVD's for 99 cents each, next to some 8-track tapes." Sorry fellow posters, some of us are in for a world of HURT.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    this whole column sounded like...

    by eppdude

    a radio ad from a morning show personality. "Say, friends, lemme tell you about HD DVD, the ONLY way to watch a movie." Please, Harry. If you didn't have an advertiser on your site that was HD, I'd take you seriously.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Blu-ray has 3 major studio exclusives, HD-DVD has 1

    by Aust1n

    Sales of discs are 3:1. Why is this still a debate? And this is all after HD-DVDs huge 9 month head start. And who doesn't think blu-ray players are gonna drop in price by holiday 07? Plus Harry, you're a fucking moron. Blu-ray isn't backwards compatible? DVD's "mastered in 1080i" look better on HD DVD. It's 9GB on DL you fat fuck, whether its "HD Mastered" or not its still 480i/p on a DVD disc. Thanks for throwing more stupidity into an already retarded debate. Plus what's with all the Sony hating? I could give a fuck if Sony does well, sure, but why are the guys behind HD-DVD suddenly such heroes of kingly virtue?

  • May 31, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    I cant believe that Harry expects us to

    by Chiziola79

    swallow the tall tale about buying the player, if they are advertising on this site then they probably sent it to this house with 2 10 year old boys and all the hd dvd he could watch while fucking them. Fuck the war I am buying a PS3 as xbox 360s as as poorly put together as the shitty reviews on this site.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    or as poorly put together as that last sentence, Chiz

    by eppdude

    now THAT was shitty. heh. but I do agree with you, though.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    eppdude

    by avernus

    yeah he typed "as" twice....I was lost when I read it the 1st time ahaha....the 2nd time was a bit more clear...

  • May 31, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Harry I Wonder If You Had ............ Endorsed Blu-Ray

    by Red Dawn Don

    ... and had a Blu-Ray ad on this site, if the HD-DVD owners would be screaming for your head? On second thought, I know they would. Who knew BR vs. HD-DVD was the equivalent of ...... Liberal vs. Conservative ...... Democrat vs. Republican. I do not have a dog-in-this-fight because I am still analoging it on my Sears 27" Panasonic TV with PIP.

  • May 31, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    For the final fucking time....

    by Mickey The Idiot

    <p>....why are people so willing to be drawn into the pissing contest between the two formats and their backers? If we had any sense we'd fuck both of them off until they get their acts sorted out and commit to either a single format or hardware that renders the difference no more relevant than DVD+ vs DVD-</p> <p>One player at reasonable retail cost and handling both is perfectly fucking viable and will be there by the time the mass market (as opposed to the niche market that frequents this site) is actually ready for the technology. It's fucking DVD+ vs DVD-. Who gives a shit, really? The only dumbness here is buying any player locked to one format, unless their primary motivation is a gaming platform.</p> <p>Oh, and here's Microsoft's dirty secret (although also where they have been way cleverer than Sony. Substituting either a BD or an all-format drive for the current HD only model is no sweat. It's just a firmware issue. Yup, they hedged their bets.</p> <p>Anyway, there's no virtue on either side of this debate - so why should anyone pick a side to start with?</p>

  • May 31, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    I go Blu-Ray when I get a PS3

    by Johnno

    I want to play Metal Gear Solid 4. PS3 games are on blu-ray... good idea when you're in the HD era and want to avoid multi-disc monsters. And movie playback is in there... so why not get blu-ray movies? No brainer for me! It's not like I have to shell out more for an extra component whose use is limited to just movies, it's all nicely in there for the PS3 which is also one of the most decent players you can get and now upscales DVDs and games!

  • May 31, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    chrighton....

    by tmifune78

    you talking about that sad little press release from Genius (which the Weinstein Company owns)last year about tipping their toe in the Blu-Ray waters in EARLY 2007 with a couple ESPN titles that never materialized? Point me to one legitimate article about 'The Weinstein Company' releasing Blu-Ray titles...also..."The other studios like FOX pulled their blu-ray release schedule for the upcoming BD-Java 1.1 update, scheduled later in the year"...BWAAHAAHAAAA...well, it ain't sexy but it gets the job done I suppose..

  • May 31, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Xbox Live downloadable movies

    by Nomad577

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned that right now you can download HD versions of several movies using your Xbox 360. They've done it more like renting them as you can only keep them stored for a limited time, but you know eventually they will change this, you can keep tv downloads forever. A lot of people mentioned downloading movies as the future and you can already do it although somewhat limited. The live arcade and downloadable content with xbox live is great.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I don't mean to be a jerk, but...

    by kyle051554

    ...you said that one of the main reasons you went with HD DVD is because of backwards-compatibility with regular DVDs. I dunno if you're just having a "stupid moment" or something, but Blu-Ray players are fully compatible with regular DVDs as well. I even double checked the specs of all the players on Amazon. They all play regular DVDs.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Harry, Please Be More Responsible

    by Scott Hettrick

    Pretty reckless, Harry. * Blu-ray titles: 307 available on Amazon / 271 in stores as of May 18, according to DVD Release Report (a far cry from your stated 62!); * HD DVD titles: 250 in stores as of May 18 / 277 available on Amazon (HALF the 545 you wildly put out there). Buy what you want and tell us about it if you want, but exercise some responsibility to your many susceptible loyal and trusting readers/fans. Don't carelessly throw out the warped and obviously unchecked data that apparently helped you make that decision. Next time, you might try asking for reader opinions before you buy. Obviously, there are some very smart and much better informed readers of your site.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    i sent in a review for Hostel 2...

    by CQuest

    but it wasnt positive so i KNOW it wont get posted here. we all know that harrry is roth's pet troll

  • May 31, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    tmifune78...

    by Chrighton

    erm, NO. HardBoiled special edition Blu-ray (Full HD, 1080p) movie + Stranglhold game combo on one disc, courtesy of Weinstein/Dragon Dynasty & Midway. Must suck to be an HD-DVD only fantard.

  • May 31, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Once you go Sony

    by JAGUART

    They will have you by the balls and squeeze you. No way.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    I read in the News paper yesterday

    by Phategod2

    that the guy from some productions company I couldn't remember who just that its one of the big ones is going with HD-DVD because the players come with High Speed internet port for access to special features and Blu-ray players other then the PS3 have not utilized this feature yet. I'm just wondering if This guy has Harry in his back pocket the timing of that article and this post are uncanny.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Great Choices, Harry!

    by FlyingToupee

    I have both HD DVD and Blu-Ray, and prefer HD DVD. THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD looks absolutely glorious in high definition, hopefully more Technicolor treasures will be released to high def! Harry, what Projector do you have? Best of luck with your new gear!

  • May 31, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    I still dont know which to get

    by Phategod2

    My Tv is 50 inches and 1080p capable but Im not spending $500. for anything. I've got one open HDMI port thats reserved for which ever Player I get or till sony come backs to planet earth and lowers the price of the PS3. (which in effect would make up my mind for me.)I dont have a particular side because I have not spent any money yet but this battle could ga either way if Blu-ray can get a competitive price of under $200 OR THE PS3 drops to 350-400 it curtains for HD-DVD but if sales for the PS3 start to stagnate and the Blu-Ray players remain to be expensive till the end of the year HD-DVD will overtake the sales and then Harry will be right. until that day all I can say is DAMN YOU MICHEAL BAY !^)

  • May 31, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    There is no winner, you dolt

    by Razorback

    BR and HD-DVD will survive together.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Harry - But, what about the LG combi-player

    by Babba-Booey

    I haven't noticed any comments about LG's player that does both formats. Any comments?

  • May 31, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    How much does that cost

    by Phategod2

    I dont there room in the world for 2 players theres too much room for customer confusion. VideoGame systems are different We all know Xbox games play on the X-box and PS2 games are on the PS2 But when you start flooding the market with Blu-rays, HD-DVD and DVD, you get a shit storm of confused, angry Grandmothers that will say F, it and wait till come out on lifetime movie network. There will be a winner just watch.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    congrats Crighton...

    by tmifune78

    you definitely deserve the 'Ass' stamp...heh, yeah, I read that release too where the Weinstein company and Genius partner with Midway to release a game/movie combo...except that Midway went to them, ponied up a lot of dough that the Weinstein company would be stupid to turn down and...what? Means nothing. No Blu-Ray titles other than this have been announced by the Weinstein company. So for film lovers that don't give a shit about video games, you basically got a great fucking film saddled with one thats gonna cost $70...that blows man. And somehow people have turned this into a good thing...I'll keep my Criterion, thanks.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    From Digital Bits...

    by jfp2007

    It's no surprise that Wal-Mart is investigating making available in their stores the cheapest players possible, whether they be HD-DVD or Blu-ray. Driving prices in their stories down as low as possible is what they do. But here's the problem with cheap Chinese HD-DVD players that a lot of people are glossing over. The kind of people who might buy a $199 HD-DVD player at Wal-Mart are not the kind of people who are likely to want to have to deal with software glitches, firmware updates and disc/player incompatibility problems. Right now, Toshiba and Universal can't yet tell me why the HD-DVDs of The Good Shepherd and Children of Men aren't working in Toshiba's top of the line player. If Toshiba is having issues with their BEST player, does anyone really think a $199 Fuh Yuan player won't have even MORE problems? Who's going to do tech support for Fuh Yuan? Wal-Mart? One would also expect the kind of people who want a $199 high-def player are also going to be the kind of folks who might also want Disney movies for their kids. That's not going to happen on HD-DVD. Not to mention, with cheap Chinese players available at $199, what other major hardware manufacturer is going to want to try to compete with that? There's no profit margin. LG and Samsung are making combo HD-DVD/Blu-ray Disc players available because they rightly perceive that there's a market for such players with high-end enthusiasts. But those players are going to cost in excess of $1000. There's no incentive at all for companies like LG or Samsung to try and compete with the likes of Fuh Yuan on budget players at Wal-Mart. Meanwhile, the prospect of $199 HD-DVD players will force Sony, Pioneer, Samsung, Panasonic and the other major Blu-ray Disc player manufacturers to lower their prices faster (which, as Home Media editor T.K. Arnold pointed out in a recent editorial, may be an unexpected advantage of the HD format war). By the end of the year, a number of name-brand Blu-ray players will be available for $399 or less, with even cheaper models likely to follow in 2008. Cheaper players that WILL play those Disney high-def movies. And while we're talking high-def movies, let's take a look at the biggest titles people are likely going to want to buy in high-def in the next 12 months or so, and which format(s) they'll MOST LIKELY be released on: Transformers (Paramount/DreamWorks = likely both formats), Shrek the Third (Paramount/DreamWorks = likely both), The Bourne Ultimatum (Universal = HD-DVD), The Kingdom (Universal = HD-DVD), 300 (Warner = both formats), Spider-Man 3 (Sony = Blu-ray), Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Disney = Blu-ray), Next (Paramount = both), Blades of Glory (Paramount = both), Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (Fox = Blu-ray), The Simpsons Movie (Fox = Blu-ray), 28 Weeks Later (Fox = Blu-ray), Meet the Robinsons (Disney = Blu-ray), Hostel: Part II (Lionsgate = Blu-ray), Ratatouille (Disney = Blu-ray), Live Free or Die Hard (Fox = Blu-ray), Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (Warner = both), Rush Hour 3 (New Line = possibly both or neither), Evan Almighty (Universal = HD-DVD), The Invasion (Warner = both), Resident Evil: Extinction (Sony = Blu-ray), Saw IV (Lionsgate = Blu-ray), His Dark Materials: The Golden Compass (New Line = possibly both or neither), Blade Runner: Special Edition (Warner = both), I Am Legend (Warner = both), Alvin and the Chipmunks (Fox = Blu-ray), National Treasure: Book of Secrets (Disney = Blu-ray), Alien vs. Predator 2 (Fox = Blu-ray). This obviously doesn't include a lot of catalog releases, but the major new release picture isn't exactly favorable for HD-DVD. And all of this comes on the heels of Blu-ray having just dominated 70% of high-def software sales in the 1st quarter of 2007 (click here). Of course, one should keep in mind that the overall sales numbers for both formats are still but a tiny blip in the overall home video market. Whichever format you happen to prefer, these are all reality check issues you ought to consider when you're thinking about this HD war, how it might play out through the rest of 2007 into 2008, and which format you might want to bet on (or not) if you're thinking of jumping into the fray at this point. 'Nuff said.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    ganymede

    by avernus

    they had laser discs for one...

  • May 31, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    'Pirates' vs. 'Matrix'

    by gerrylum

    In the first of what observers expect will be many high-profile title showdowns, Buena Vista Home Entertainment on May 22 released the first two “Pirates of the Caribbean” movies on Blu-ray Disc, just before the third installment in the blockbuster franchise opened on the big screen. The same day, Warner Home Video released two “Matrix” collections on the rival HD DVD format. Within a week, consumers had spent more than $2 million on those releases alone, according to Home Media Magazine market research estimates. The two “Pirates” films sold a combined total of nearly 47,000 units, while the higher-priced “Matrix” sets sold about 13,900 units.

  • May 31, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    I meant that for supercowbell

    by avernus

    I misread the title...

  • May 31, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    gerrylum

    by avernus

    the funny thing is....those numbers would be alot less if they split up the trilogy as alot of the people who like the matrix series, like myself...would only buy the 1st Matrix... when it comes out on BD, I will only buy the 1st one....I didn't even buy both POTC movies...but I will own both soon as I purchased only one along with apocalypto and pre-ordered blood diamond and weeds:season 1.....so curse of the black pearl can wait... plus I don't think BD needed my help with both movies ahaha...the hurting has only just begun..

  • May 31, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    2 matrix hd dvd collections...?

    by Bouncy X

    so i'm surfin on a local store site and notice they have the full on box set with the 10 discs or whatever that was released a year or 2 ago...but theres another that simply has the 3 movies...but the kicker is, there's only a 10$ difference...like wtf? as for that toshiba player that does both, its 1499$ plus tax here in canada...i mean damn..i'm glad i'm sticking to dvd

  • May 31, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    The Matrix Trilogy is also heading for "Blu-Ray"

    by Zone Daiatlas

    The Matrix Trilogy and Blade Runner has been announced for the Blu-Ray. Blu Ray just has better selection of movies then HD-DVD. If you want to see Star Wars, Aliens, Die hard, Predator, James Bond Movies in High and etc in High Def you better get Blu-Ray because it will never appear on HD-DVD...

  • May 31, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    sigh...

    by tmifune78

    Blu-Ray has had just as many software glitches and issues as HD-DVD has...and right now, Universal and Toshiba can't tell you about the Children of Men and The Good Sheperd? That's odd considering this press release hit digitalbits more than a week ago: "Universal has informed us that they're currently in replication on those corrected/fixed versions of Children of Men and The Good Shepherd (the DVD/HD-DVD Combo discs, which have been having playback and compatibility issues on many brands of HD-DVD players, apparently due to a slightly too thick bonding layer). They expect to start having the fixed discs available for exchange as early as next week. For now, use this e-mail address to arrange exchanges: USHE.ConsumerRelations@worldmarkinc.com (we'll have a phone number for you next week)." Firmware updates will be a fact of life for both formats...

  • May 31, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    supercowbell

    by avernus

    no, it doesn't...and HDDVD fans try to put an asterisk next to it as if more than half of the PS3 owners aren't going to buy a BD...

  • May 31, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    I chose Beta over VHS. I thought I was right, too!

    by Bill Clay

    Beta was inarguably the superior format. It seemed like a no-brainer to buy a Beta VCR. And the corporations conspired to force the inferior VHS format on the masses, like it or not. We the people really won't be the ones who decide who wins this newest format war. It will be decided behind closed boardroom doors.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    "sigh"

    by avernus

    it's funny you say BD has had just as many glitches when that's a farce...because people are even having trouble with their 2nd generation Toshiba players... I went to a local Sears and their Toshiba HD DVD display was down because the player was "acting up again"....but "we haven't had anyone return any of their players"......yeah, because nobody owns one..

  • May 31, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Wal-mart AND Porn

    by stellarhaze

    Supposedly Walmart will be the deciding factor on HD-DVD winning the format wars this X-mas. They have purchased over $200 million dollars worth of sub $199 HD-DVD players for our buying dollars this holiday season '07. Also, I think the porn industry has chosen the format because of ease of distribution plus Disney being one of the main backers of the standard. I'll probably end up with both formats in my home only purchasing my favorite titles here and there to oogle over.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    bill clay

    by avernus

    you have to consider the type of consumer we are talking about here... when it was beta vs vhs, the consumer only cared about price and not about technology unless it was a flying car ......now, in the computer, gigabyte dsl/cable modem era....superior technology does matter....especially when it has superior studio support and also manufacturer support...if Microsoft was so confident in their HD DVD player, they would have just added it onto their 360 Elite as a bonus to compete with Sony...but MS doesn't care, they still want you to pay 200 bucks for an add-on when they have stand-alone players that are goung for 300 right now.....they have even opened the possibility of supporting BD...so in reality, they are trying to milk another format and move along as slowly as possible...I could go on and on...but I think I'm done here...for good..

  • May 31, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Great site, first time post

    by starwarswizard

    Long time fan. Usually just read, not post. Anyway, I thought i must chime in here with my two cents. There's two articles from a few days ago: http://tinyurl.com/27ylgj http://tinyurl.com/yq434s Both of these articles state that Universal is close (if not already) to supporting Blu-ray besides their already supported HD-DVD, and one article even states how porn IS IN FACT coming out on Blu-ray, as well. If this is true, the format war is over, and for one of the first times in history, the better, more technologically advanced format will win. Only one word for HD-DVD: burn. MAJOR BURN.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    stellarhaze....

    by avernus

    the pron industry didn't choose....and they are a non-factor....this isn't 1976.....we can download all the porn we want if it was such a factor...

  • May 31, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    If this goes on for too long, neither will win...

    by Pdorwick

    Regular consumers - meaning those who don't stop by AICN everyday - are staying away from both formats in droves precisely because of both the Betamx factor and anger over having heavily invested in the still relatively new reg. DVD format.<br><br>There are analysts who predict that if this indifference to both formats persists, both will lose.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST

    avernus...yawn...

    by tmifune78

    yeah, it's a farce...from gizmodo.com: "If you've just purchased the first two Pirates movies on Blu-ray in order to get psyched up for the third one, you probably came up with a whole lot less Johnny Depp and a whole lot more firmware problems than you expected. Apparently at least two players—Samsung's BD-P1200 and Sony's BDP-S1—have difficulty playing back the first two movies, thanks to outdated BD java. And by difficulty, we mean they throw up their hands and give up like a fat man at the starting line of a 10K."..Planet Earth Blu-Ray also had several problems and so on. I don't even care about this petty shit but don't tell me Blu-Ray players don't have their fair share of problems.....oh and PS3 GAMES are not included in Blu-Ray software sales but the PS3 systems themselves are of course included in the Blu-Ray Hardware sales...where the fuck are you getting your information?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Porn is a non-factor?

    by Pdorwick

    Horseshit. Porn has always driven new audio-visual technology and the non-download side of it is still bigger than the mainstream music and film industries combined.<br><br>Porn matters and they chose HD-DVD.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    The Internet and Porn

    by DarthTarter

    I have nothing to add as far as HD formats...but I keep reading about how everyone uses the internet for porn...That traditional sales are done. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Just because the smart people know better doesn't mean the business isn't booming. I work at a store that USED to be magazines & movies that is pretty much all porn now (oh the pride). Trust me, porn still sells and sells a ton. We are not hurting for business. Hey, it shocks me that more people don't use the net but it's not uncommon for these guys to drop $100 bucks on freaking MAGS! I don't think porn companys will have a huge impact on who wins this war, but to think porn dvds/mags are dead? Not a chance.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    correction $100 million

    by stellarhaze

    It's 2 million at a cost of $100 million. You've got to remember most of middle income families picked up the new HD tvs last x-mas as the big family gift and want the content to take advantage of it. If they see an HD-DVD for around $175 at christmas time they will buy it. The porn industry won't be the final factor but will contribute because of the size of the industry. The formats are so close in picture quality that it doesn't matter that blue-ray will have the larger capacities especially with the newer codecs on the market. Which ever gets cheaper first because most consumers were pretty content with the difference from vhs to dvd. They have to have a reason that won't cost them an arm and a leg.

  • May 31, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Totally a commercial for HD-DVD

    by MeshGearFoxx

    C'mon Harry, this reeks of kickbacks. You don't even compare both formats in an objective manner before choosing(how about viewing movies in both formats first?), you flat out choose HD-DVD and then you keep posting defending HD-DVD. You don't even say acknowledge someone might have a good point with blu-ray, it's all no no no, HD-DVD will win. Why do you have to defend it so hard?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    tmifune78

    by lynxpro

    There's no shame in admitting you have an Atari Lynx. It took Nintendo a decade to match the graphics power of that little handheld released way back in 1989. The Lynx rocked. Hence the secret behind my user name. But have no fear, Blu-Ray will not be the next Atari Jaguar. However, this all reminds me of something. Back when "Alien vs. Predator" was released on the Atari Jaguar, it was the slickest 1st person shooter on the market, console or PC. Yet the fools at EGM rated it solidly with 5's and 6's. The word on the street was that they took kickbacks for their ridiculously low ratings from Atari's competition. You know, kinda like this HD DVD love fest "review".

  • May 31, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Good thing you didn't pay much.

    by cgimovieman

    Well, as a person who debated last summer on this format war, I think you may have made a mistake. That being said I think HDDVD will be around for at least another year to year and a half. These are the reasons. First off, blu-ray is technically a better format from the standpoint of having higher storage capabilities. It also has support from more companies. One of the biggest of these being Apple, which is doing business like gangbusters with no sign of stopping. Another reason? Studio support. Blu-ray's only remaining hold out with the studios, which granted is a big one, is Universal. Every other major studio has pledged it's support. HDDVD is missing all of Sony's labels as well as Disney, which is a giant. Lastly and simply, Sony. Blu-ray is Sony's format, and Sony is a juggernaut of a company that has won format wars before. But aside from it's history, Sony is a master of getting it's products out in the publics ears and into their mouths. Blu-ray has already had much more advertising than HDDVD. Don't get me wrong, HDDVD is still a good format. It bosts the same HD resolutions and HD audio formats, and on many discs still has smoother and cooler menus. But just from the standpoint of backing your proverbial horse, blu-ray is eventually going to win out. Most assuredly when and if Universal gets on board. Universal's president has vowed not to deviate from being exclusive to HDDVD, but give him a little more time. Evenutally, he's going to have to bend or Universal is going to be losing sales like crazy. Everyone wants HD everything these days and when you have more choices of movies and are constantly hearing about bllu-ray on TV and in all advertising, people will inevitably back that format. Luckily, HDDVD is cheaper player-wise, so if you've bought a player it won't be quite as bad a loss as buying a $1000 blu-ray player. But hey, I'm not psychic, I suppose only time will tell!

  • May 31, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    starwarswizard

    by WONKABAR

    http://tinyurl.com/2lj52h That would have been a bombshell if it were true...I can't help but think there might have been a glimmer of truth in your original link though. But for now, HD-DVD is safe/the war is still on....unless someone can find something more definitive about Universal wavering

  • May 31, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    lynxpro...

    by tmifune78

    oh, I'm not ashamed...I still own every damn game for that system including the great 'Battlewheels' - a game way ahead of it's time i.e. Twisted Metal. I've pretty much given up on contemporary games but I still dust off that sucker every so often...

  • May 31, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    "Sony is a juggernaut that has won format wars before."

    by Bill Clay

    Like Betamax?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD Shill

    by JB1981

    How big was your paycheck from MS and Toshiba, Harry. Still shilling like the shill you are, eh?

  • May 31, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    lol How many hours and people are still arguing?

    by jae683

    Now if everyone could stop with the misinformation.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Dude

    by gorydon

    My friend bought an HD DVD player and it ended up exploding in his house and killing his mom...From that day on I swore I would go with Blu-ray...

  • May 31, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    I couldn't give two shits....

    by Boromir187

    ...about which player is in the lead right now. Until one of them finally wins out and the other is pretty much abandoned, I'm just sticking with regular ole' DVD. More realistically, until one format takes over half the DVD sections in stores, then I'm not upgrading. I have 1300 DVDs, so I'm not going to risk switching over and start buying new DVDs (and rebuying current ones) on a new format until there is a fairly clear winner. Chances are both will die out to pave the way for the next format anyway. Kinda like how everyone swore up and down that Laserdisc would overtake VHS? Yeah right. Chances are that HD-DVD/Blu-Ray are the "laserdisc" of the this decade and both will be gone or at least dying slowly in a few years time as the next format beyond rises up. And if I'm wrong, well I will eat my words and pick up the player for the winning format. But until one of them has at least of 95% chance of sticking around (and the other has less than 10%) or its proved that both are a worthless stepping stone to MEGA-DVD (or whatever it'll be called), I'm going ahead and getting things in the current format. What makes me even happier is that the prices on regular DVDs are going down because of all the format war silliness!

  • May 31, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Its still too early too tell

    by Cherub of Justice

    I think if the PS3 really takes off in the next year or so with some of thier big games coming out the Blu-Ray will be here to stay. VHS was inferior to BetaMax techically but it didnt matter. Blu Ray has more potential picture quality wise but I think the difference between 1080i/720p HD DVD and 1080P Blu ray is too small a difference to the regular consumer to really care all that much. Whatever Wal Mart and Target ends up selling will probably be the winner.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Now I'm sure Blu-Ray will win

    by dtpena

    Because a guy that names himself as headgeek and misspells blu-ray, says porn is a factor in the high def battle, doesn't know that brd players also play dvds and upconvert them (ps3 with firmware update), names an HD-DVD title that will come to Blu-Ray soon (matrix) as his reason to choose HD-DVD, doesn't face the fact that Blu-Ray has 4 exclusive studios behind it (including Fox and Buena vista), and most important of all IS GETTING FUCKING PAID TO ADVERTISE ON HD DVD ON HIS WEBSITE, has no right to be right.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    he also says

    by dtpena

    "and right now... there's something along the lines of 545 titles on HD DVD and only 62 for Blue(sic) Ray." That lie was on the net the other day, and the HD-DVD informers said that it was their medium-term plan to have that many titles, and 62 was the number of blu-rays out the firs quarter of this year. At least get the fucking updated facts.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    DVDA or DADV which one do you chose?

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    lol, sorry had to break up the monotony.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    HARRY! REVIEW "EXCALIBUR"! We'd enjoy it...

    by HappyHamster

    When it comes to interpretations of the King Arthur legend, the race is really for second place -- Boorman's take is authoritative. I'd love to see everyone on the AICN crew do a review of Excalibur.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    All about the Benjamins

    by JohnDrake

    If one of the formats can get its players to under $200 by this holiday shopping season then it's all over - they'll win the format war with a larger installed base. Word is that HD DVD players will be selling at Wal*Mart for under $200 by the end of the year. Game, set and match to HD DVD. That having been said, neither next generation format is likely to light the world on fire. Sales are probably going to never exceed 25% of conventional DVD sales. With high speed cable and fiber to the door being deployed in more and more markets, downloadable video from services like iTunes will slowly replace disc-based media, rendering DVD and its next-generation would be successors equally obsolete.

  • May 31, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Bill Clay

    by WONKABAR

    Sony ended up having a winner with Beta...maybe not with consumers, but with pros it was, and in a few cases still is the way to go. And of course they've dominated w/ game-consoles. As far as BD, Apple and Dell are huge and definitely not to be taken lightly. I know this thing has swung before (a few months ago it looked as though Sony was toast) but damn, it's not looking good for HD-DVD right now and if the tread that is Universal breaks...I just don't see how it could recover. And this is coming from an HD-DVD/XBOX-supporter. Like I said, it looked bad for BD awhile back too, but weren't Paramount and Warner still on the fence back then? I 'spose anything could happen, but some of the stuff I'm reading around the web, (digitalBits, Apple etc.) the forces lining up behind BD as an all-around format... seems pretty compelling

  • May 31, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    HD Porn

    by sonnyhooper

    think about it, do you really NEED or even WANT to see porn in HD? seriously? you want to see the stretch marks, cold sores and boob job scars in clear, sharp HD? fucking morons. <p> and don't get me wrong, i'm no prude, i like porn just a much as the next guy, but the fact of the matter is some things don't NEED to be seen in HD. HD is great for watching the baseball game and seeing individual blades of grass on the field, not so great when you are looking at the stretch marks around tera patricks' cootch. you know what i'm saying?

  • May 31, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    They both have their advantages

    by An4h0ny

    and disadvantages... i like to think of them the same way i do butterscotch pudding and chocolate fudge pudding. i'll let you decide which is which. damn, now i want pudding.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Yukon Cornelius

    by lynxpro

    How exactly is Blu-Ray a Sony "proprietary" format? Look up the definition of the word, tool. The only company making HD DVD players on the market today is Toshiba. That in itself makes HD DVD "proprietary". The rest of the consumer electronics industry is backing Blu-Ray. And for the nuts that think Sony is money grubbing on the licensing, think again. The reason why the whole market supports Sony is because the patent licensing on Blu-Ray is less than HD DVD. That's the very reason why Sony started the format, so that they wouldn't have to continue paying Toshiba/Time Warner a grip on their DVD patent porfolio. The added bonus is Sony doesn't want Microsoft software touching anything but their Vaio computer line. The reason why Microsoft backs HD DVD is because each player comes equipped with Microsoft's proprietary HDi/iHD/whatever-they-call-it menuing system. Blu-Ray's menu system is a variation of the standard Sun Java. Thus again, HD DVD backs proprietary standards. Why did Sony use the old MPEG-2 codec instead of VC-1 (or H.264 AVC MPEG-4) on their first Blu-Ray titles? Because Sony didn't want to pay Microsoft royalties on VC-1 nor did they want the rest of the studios to use VC-1 on their Blu-Ray releases. There is a reason why the entire consumer electronics industry - besides Toshiba - is against Microsoft. Just look at how Microsoft treats their current proxy known as Toshiba. They give Toshiba the Xbox360 add-on HD DVD drive contract. Just as soon as a cheaper supplier can make it, Toshiba loses the contract. Microsoft pressured Toshiba to cut back support on their Gigabeat MP3 player line in exchange for being the supplier for the Microsoft Zune MP3 player...and now Microsoft is shifting over to another company for the contract. Toshiba is the next Sendo. European readers should get that reference.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    why upconverted ROTS might look better than HDTV...

    by lynxpro

    I was thinking about that statement that I read here on the Talkback. Perhaps the talkbackers who did this "test" were comparing the upscaled DVD of ROTS to the HD Cinemax showings via DirecTV or Dish. The satellite providers compress the hell out of their HD transmissions. Cable HD providers don't compress their signals as much as DirecTV/DISH, but they still don't offer the same HD quality as does the traditional broadcast stations transmitting in HD if you still have an antenna on your roof to receive their signals. Although maybe this will change with (at least) DirecTV shifting to MPEG-4 whereas broadcast will be using MPEG-2 for the next 20 years (or more). Damn you, DirecTV and your use of NDS DVRs instead of TiVo.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    that porn thing

    by radjac33

    The porn industry is backing HD-DVD, but Vivid (the major studio in the biz) is in talks to use Blu-Ray. So its still pretty much in the air. the thing is I've seen HD-DVD at the local porn shops and no Blu-ray.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    MGM title distribution

    by lynxpro

    Many Talkbackers here are assuming that MGM Blu-Ray title releases will be dictated by Sony just because Sony was part of the private consortium that bought out MGM. While that is true, MGM signed a contract earlier in the year to switch distribution of their home titles from Sony to Fox. So MGM Blu-Ray titles will follow the lead of Fox. Hopefully this means that just as how Fox is holding out for BD-J 1.1, hopefully MGM titles will also show up encoded in H.264 AVC MPEG-4 like some of the Fox titles. After the release of *X3* in that codec, I thought all of Fox's genre titles would follow, but *AvP* was in MPEG-2. I really wish the Blu-Ray Disc Association would mandate AVC as the codec of choice above Microsoft's VC-1 and MPEG-2. Looking at HD DVD, thanks to Microsoft's monopoly money, there's no chance in hell that HD DVD titles will ever see AVC encoding even with the hardware supporting it (rather lacklusterly, I might add). One of the reasons why Toshiba jumped the gun and released HD DVD earlier than planned was because they weren't planning on most titles - if any - would be encoded in AVC so they went ahead and released their 1stGen players with those abysmal Broadcomm decoder chips that couldn't output anything above 720p and choked on AVC. Unfortunately, since Toshiba blew its wad early, Samsung released their Blu-Ray player earlier than expected with the same crummy Broadcomm chip but at least they did equip it with an extra decoding coprocessor to at least coax somewhat of a 1080i (p is debatable) signal out of it.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    EVERYBODY KNOWS...

    by ninjatracksuit

    That in five years the winning format will be DVDA - who can resist that combo? It's (relatively) cheap, you can see everything from the right position - and backwards compatibility? Don't even get me started! Seriously, though, weakness on the corporate deepthroating by the headgeek...What was the fucking point of that article anyways? Anyone that read it can imagine the phone call the Toshiba reps put in to Harry and how he bent over without a moments hesitation, wincing only momentarily as they slid it in while he sloughed off another shred of self-respect by trying to make statements of personal preference a fact through sheer will power and bad literary slight of hand...What's next - his preference of Macs over PCs? Toast or waffles? Shower or bath? Oh, sorry - neither of the last four choices have corporate sponsors that can line your pockets. Douche.

  • May 31, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Article From DVD Review

    by psychedelic

    5/29/2007 12:16:28 PM, by Bill Binder Sharp ends the high def wars? Sharp has made quite an amazing announcement, and one that has slipped almost completely under the radar. Sharp has just announced the release of a new optical disc player that will allegedly be the smallest player ever produced. In and of itself, this is mildly interesting. But more interesting is that it is capable of playing CDs, DVDs, Blu-Ray and HD DVD. That's right a dual format player, that could potentially eliminate the need to worry about formats. Their press is very vague on the availability of this on a consumer level. But the player, be it a consumer item, or component is expected to cost less that $100 and begin shipping next month. If this is indeed a cross platform player, the news will certainly appear here soon.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    OH...

    by ninjatracksuit

    And by personal preference - in case you couldn't tell - I meant: Whatever someone else with more money/clout/fame tells him to like...Sorry to be so hard on the big guy, but I've been coming to this site for a looong time and within the last couple years have seen him change drastically. There are a few sincere reviewers on here - actually, most of them beyond Harry. He's changed, taken in by the money and famous friends this site has brought to his doorstep (most of them just looking for a free plug) and now he gladly walks on eggshells and sucks whatever dicks he's told to.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Just to put in my 2 cents . . .

    by Charles Martel

    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070413-samsung-to-hedge-bets-with-combo-hd-dvdblu-ray-player.html Yeah, it looks like there will be a dual player in the future. Of course, I have no doubt that it will cost the equivalent of a small nation's GDP. But, if someone has the dough, I guess . . . they should get a life and donate it to a charity. But that's just my opinion.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Another interesting issue

    by Charles Martel

    Lawsuit, and limited copying? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/28/sony_blu-ray_patent_dispute/

  • June 1, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Why Steve Jobs is holding back Disney Blu-Ray

    by HD Format Neutral

    Don't hold your breath waiting for Pixar films on Blu-Ray. Why? Steve Jobs (Disney's number one shareholder and Apple's CEO) wants Sony films for the iTunes Movie Store. Are they available? No. So why in the world would Jobs allow his Pixar movies to be released on Blu-Ray, which would only help Sony win the format war? Apple may be a member of the Blu-Ray Disc Association’s board of directors, but you don't see Blu-Ray drives currently preinstalled on Apple computers. Meanwhile, Sony has little incentive to let Jobs sell low-res copies of Spider-Man and Casino Royale on iTunes -- Sony wants to sell you shiny Blu-Ray discs. Prediction -- Jobs will eventually force Disney to go "format neutral" and support both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, flipping the bird to Sony.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Lord of the Rings and new line will be in hd dvd

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    that is a very big deal.......

  • June 1, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Cars?

    by Simpsonian

    Hasn't Pixar's Cars already been announced for BluRay? Harry chose hd-dvd because he's a cheap ass. I hope other TBers realize you should always do the opposite of what Harry does.

  • June 1, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Re: Cars?

    by HD Format Neutral

    Actually a Blu-Ray release date for Cars WAS announced and then later pulled with no future release date set (http://tinyurl.com/2ehgsr). This "announce and pull" has happened to many titles from Blu-Ray exclusive studios Disney and Fox, for reasons unknown, to the consternation of many BR owners (myself included).

  • June 1, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    3 reasons to go with HD-DVD

    by Chishu_Ryu

    HULK, THE THING, and CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN...

  • June 1, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    I'll stick with...

    by Boober

    Sony and Disney...Microsoft,yeah...not so much.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    If we were really made in God's image,

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE>we'd</span> all have a pair of boob and ovaries. </p> <p class=MsoNormal>That being said, for those of you who don't want to see HD porn... I don't get you guys. Have you ever been with a woman that doesn't need to be pulled out of a box and pumped up? You know, a *warm* one you can get to scream like she's forgotten her alphabet ('<span class=SpellE>xcept</span> for the 7<sup>th</sup> letter)? I watch porn when I'm single because I don't have a pretty girl around to play with. But when I do, I don't dwell on her stretch marks, her pimples, her wrinkles.... I dwell on everything about her perfect, imperfect body with a billion pixels per eyeball, and I have only one report to make: AMEN!</p>

  • June 1, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Dual players HDDVD & BluRay

    by Trader Groucho 2

    There's already at least one on the market, which also does the upconverting. It's $1200 right now tho.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST

    PORN DIDN'T CHOOSE HDDVD...

    by jfp2007

    They were denied a license by Sony and they had to go with HD by default. They wanted BR and had to go HD because of Sony, so please stop saying porn chose HDDVD because it's disingenuous. They were forced there.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    BR titles pulled for reasons very known..

    by jfp2007

    Hackers and hacking is the reason. The BR studios pulled their titles after the hacking and it's been happening ever since. Blame it on the basement dwellers.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST

    HDDVD BluRay Plasma LCD DLP 720p 1080p 1080i

    by Trader Groucho 2

    Market's totally in flux right now with all this stuff. Lots of new products just introduced, more on the way in the next few months. As for picture quality HDDVD vs BluRay, it at least partially depends on the player AND the TV. Some match up really well, others.... Oh and only reason to go 1080p is if you're picking up HDDVD or BluRay, because the cable and satellite companies don't pump out their HD at 1080p - yet. Me, I haven't decided yet whether to blow the money on a Panasonic plasma 1080p or just get a Vizio 720p plasma to tide me over while the dust settles.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    YackBacker, thanks

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>For helping me start an interesting sub-topic on <span class=SpellE>upscaling</span>. I have a vested interest in it, because I take delivery of a new Panasonic plasma screen, next week. It's the TH-50PX75U 720p Plasma HDTV, 50 inches. I'll use it with a DVD player, a regular one, because I'm not going HD until I get a million bucks and can afford to buy THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD for the third (fucking) time, since I killed my <span class=SpellE>Betamax</span> edition, in 1999. And that's just one title out of well over 500, which give me comfort from their place on my <span class=SpellE>shelfs</span>.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>So, anyway, I'm not ready, yet, 'cause I like my DVDs, thank you very much. I'm thinking that the screen itself is going to be such a huge upgrade from my 32 inch Sony tube, that it won't matter a bit what the definition is, coming out of my DVD player. It's just going to rock to my untrained eyes. BUT, I'm a consumer, and I'm here, aren't I, so I'm tempted by the up-conversion thing, because after dropping 2 grand on a new TV, what's an extra 100 bucks on a DVD player? I can get another 5 disc changer, hook it up along with my old one, and never, ever, ever, leave my couch again. </p> <p class=MsoNormal>All this to say, I think I'll do this: I'll get the screen, <span class=GramE>then</span> I'll go to my local price-fixing electronics store, and get an <span class=SpellE>upconverting</span> DVD player. If I like what I see, I'll keep it. If not, I'll return it. It's unscrupulous, but let's face it, all these fuckers do with their professional lives is try to figure out a way to get us all to buy another &quot;new&quot; edition of the White Album, so why hesitate to take advantage of their generous return policies? Prices are going up, anyway, so fuck '<span class=SpellE>em</span>.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>And that's about it, isn't it? It's about what looks good to you in your living room. I mean, I <span class=GramE>get wanting</span> a bigger TV, I cracked and got one. But the whole HD thing... it just smells bad to me. It was only yesterday that they were telling me seeing in DVD was the next best thing to watching people fuck in front of me... I'm still under that spell. It'll take a while before they get me to upgrade anything but my fucking TV! Vive la RESISTANCE, <span class=SpellE>putain</span> de merde!</p>

  • June 1, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Atari v. Colecovision v. Activision

    by Napoleon Park

    SuperNintendo v. Sega. <p> If you see what I'm saying.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Last

    by Kragmose

    Or maybe not

  • June 1, 2007, 2:27 a.m. CST

    tmifune78, come clean:

    by Subovon

    Is your ass stamp in 720p, 1080i or 1080p?

  • June 1, 2007, 2:34 a.m. CST

    HDDVD Vs. Blue-Ray Disc! Who wins?

    by lost.rules

    DVD

  • June 1, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    You Guys Should Stick to Movie Reviews...

    by Thom85

    Cause you clearly don't know anything about the technology that plays 'em. Besides Harry's fact-lite article that started all this, now Hercules is jumping on the bandwagon with his belief that "If the Blu-ray titles never come to HD-DVD , I sense most consumers will just wait till Blu-ray players fall under $200 and will simply own both players and an A/B switch." You, sir, are fucking clown shoes. Like consumers, or the market would put up with that. Even if Sony lost, they would end up eating crow like they did with Beta-Max and Minidisk and release their shit on the current standard format. But they won't have to. Titles, more than price, dictate unit sales (if the ps3 could get a 'killer ap' it wouldn't be struggling so hard) And as has already been covered numerous times here, the ONLY movies you can't get on Blu-Ray are those released through Universal. Meanwhile, you won't see films from Columbia, MGM, Disney, Lionsgate, Fox and Sony on HD-DVD unless Blu-Ray dies out. HD-DVD is a couple hundred bucks cheaper than Blu-Ray RIGHT NOW, but what are you gonna watch on it? Not Spider-Man 3. Final thought; here are the top 10 grossing films of 2006, and which format you'll be able to watch them on: 1. PotC: Dead Man's Chest - Blu-Ray 2. Cars - Blu-Ray 3. X-Men: The Last Stand - Blu-Ray 4. The Da Vinci Code - Blu-Ray 5. Superman Returns - Blu-Ray and HD-DVD 6. Ice Age - Blu-Ray 7. Over the Hedge - Blu-Ray and HD-DVD 8. Talladega Nights - Blu-Ray 9. Click - Blu-Ray 10. Mission: Impossible III Blu-Ray and HD-DVD 100% of the top grossing films from 2006 are available on Blu-Ray. 30% are available on HD-DVD. (those movies, grosses and studios came from associatecontent.com and IMDB) But, y'know, maybe that's not clear enough. Maybe there's a better way to illustrate the INSANE uphill battle HD-DVD has somehow deluded the world into believing it can win. It shakes down like this: Universal + Toshiba + Microsoft VS Apple INC, Dell, HP, Hitachi, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Phillips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Sun Microsystems, TDK, Thompson, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney, Warner Brothers, and dozens of others listed at blu-raydisc.com. I threw you a bone with Microsoft, as they only make a player, not movies, and their's is not even a stand-alone. It's a $200 addition to a $400 system that a minority percentage of system owners are actually adopting. This is a pointless argument. I'm not sure what HD-DVD payed for this specific plug, but wasn't the advertising space they were paying for enough? Did that still leave you so in want of cash as to make a fool of yourself, or worse, paint yourself as a know-nothing whore? Look, when I want info on new movie/tv/comic book projects I go to aintitcool.com. When I want a thoughtful breakdown of how a format war will shake down, I'll go with someone who (A)actually knows what the hell they're talking about, (b)isn't making a point to hock a product they already advertise, and (c)doesn't litter there argument with erroneous fact after erroneous fact.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    HD-DVD vs BluRay:

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    DVD wins. FATALITY. <p>I'm with you, lost.rules

  • June 1, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST

    I said it once, I'll say it again:

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    posts should be limited to 100 words max.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    I agree, fuck "Hostel"

    by BenBraddock

    and Eli Roth. Boring sicko.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi: 100 words or less?

    by Subovon

    And they better keep it PG, too!

  • June 1, 2007, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Incredibly misinformed comments

    by Frogurt

    Harry, you really are a fat dumb fuck. But hey... maybe this proves that HD DVD will win.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Too harsh

    by Frogurt

    Ahh Harry... I can't stay mad at you! But as a close watcher of the details of this 'battle' - as I'm sure many of your readers are - soo many of your statements were just factually incorrect. (As has been pointed out a billion times above) But you actually may be revealing why HD DVD has a chance. If the slack jawed yokels in Walmart think that HD DVD will be compatible with DVDs (and Blu-ray wont be) plus its cheaper... well that's a pretty big advantage.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Blu-ray's already won

    by Monty22001

    You will never ever get Spider-man, Cars, Ratatoille, Pirates, or others on hddvd. We'll see how things go with Universal. Lord of the Rings is sorta up in the air, but seems dual for now. This format war SUCKS and I hate that this place is pushing the dead end hddvd longer than it needs to. And to those that think DVD is ok, earn some cash and get a 50+ inch display. Standard DVD is nearly unwatchable after a few blu-ray movies. We can only hope that standard defintion doesn't win. Wouldn't it just suck if HDTV rules the satellite/OTA/cable markets and old 640x480 rules the PAID disc format?

  • June 1, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST

    People hate on Sony because they are sheep

    by PervOmatic

    They are swept up in the Wii hype or think that Sony's success = ZOMG BADZORS!!!!! It's all juvenile bullshit. Look at what they produce and judge them on that basis. This type of competition will be decided by the consumers. Not fanboys.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:06 a.m. CST

    I have chosen DVD... here's why.

    by BannedOnTheRun

    There's a DVD drive built into my old Mac G4. I can watch movies on the Samtron monitor my dad gave me. If the movie gets dull, I can surf the 'nets on Monitor No. 2. My home office chair is comfy. I can make out most faces and even subtitles. I can rent DVDs from Netflix. I own fewer than 10 DVDs. To me, backwards compatible means it plays VHS too.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Hey Banned. . .

    by Cymbol

    You can rent Blu-ray from netflix also (and blockbuster online). And HD-DVD for that matter. Just so you know.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:10 a.m. CST

    SONY and SAMSUNG

    by WASPFAN

    I think people hate Sony not because of other companies but because they do bullshit like trying to spy on you when you buy an audio CD and make expensive electronics that are not as reliable as cheaper stuff from other manufactur... Samsung will release an under $500 dual player this xmas.. for those of you that want to wait... Warner is releasing TOTALHD discs that play on both players -- so we will have dual format players and disks --the war will become DVD-R +R -- both will be around -- Blueray is actually taking a slight lead in US due to better titles and more titles -- HD-DVD is leading Europe by a large margin - Japan has not really adopted to either -- so there you have -- thanks to Sony we have two formats -- forever

  • June 1, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Samsung BD-UP5000

    by WASPFAN

    Coming out Xmas... and PervOmatic -- the germans felt the same way when they followed Hitler - maybe you are the sheep --following Sony -- they are really not on the consumers side... seriously --

  • June 1, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    seems like Laserdisc all over again to me

    by filmcoyote

    I just can't be bothered with this whole HD/Blu-Ray thing. I am happy with my standard DVD player. The quality is good enough, i have like 1500 DVDs i don't see the need to change. Maybe when my player packs up i'll upgrade on replacement but not until then.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Player Sales

    by WASPFAN

    425,000 of the 695,000 next-gen players sold recently are Blu-ray players—about 61 percent of units in the wild. Comparatively, HD DVD accounts for 270,000 units, or roughly 39 percent. Presented this way, Blu-ray looks to have a significant lead. Yet only 25,000 of those Blue Ray are not the PS3 so stand alone players HD-DVD is in a huge lead because of price... It will come down to one thing- will PS3 owners buy movies --

  • June 1, 2007, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Gawd

    by Kragmose

    I hate brand-wars

  • June 1, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Backwards compatability

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Just to clarify something here. BluRay isn't technically backwards compatible. To make a BR player backwards compatible with DVD, manufacturers also need to include a red laser to read those discs.<br><br>Say what you will, but in 3 years time I can guarantee you that new BR players will be released WITHOUT the red laser.<br><br><br>Ok now onto the you won't get "cars" or "spider-man" crowd. Do you think studios love to lose money? Do you think if they see a shit load of HD-DVD units being sold they aren't going to jump ship? The studios who are signed up to BluRay aren't exclusivey tied to the format. All of them have clauses that are dependent on the viability of the platform. Sony already took a gamble that PS3 would really shift BR movies and so far it's not worked; i'll say that's down to the lack of HDTV sets in peoples homes.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    I gotta say...

    by MaulRat

    I have to agree with Harry, don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Blu Ray, and my samsung player is pretty awesome... however, I've compared a couple of movies (most notibly Matrix Revolutions and Superman Returns) on both formats and I gotta tell ya, HDDVD is the shit when it comes to clarity, my 150inch screen with a pissy little (by dedicated home theatre standards) Epson TW1000 projector through HDMI rocks my world.. the picture is so incredibly sharp that it slits your eyes. It really is the only way to go (now if only I can talk my wife into buying a DLP projector.. then I'll be happy). However, HDDVD IS I'm afraid the Betamax of the HD disc formats.. Its the better of the 2 formats, however, Blu Ray has more backers... the only thing that will give HDDVD the edge is if it gets backed by the porn industry... but why would they do that now?... they're making too much money off hte internet.. or unless Microsoft bring out a 3rd Gen XBOX 360 with a BUILT IN HDDVD Drive that sells for less than the PS3 and RAMPS up their HDDVD compatibility/usability/read write etc. with Vista.... aint gonna happen... having said that... I do love me some HDDVD... Its a shame the format will be gone the way of laser disc in 3 years.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:43 a.m. CST

    wow

    by MaulRat

    it pays to read some posts before posting... I could have saved me some time eh.... oh well.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:49 a.m. CST

    WASPFAN

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    You've made a great point that ties into the marketing Sony have used to say BR is doing well.<br><br>Is it fair to say you have a larger market saturation when 90% of the people who've bought your player have no means/intention of using it as a BR movie player? Is it fair to say your BR disc sales are greater then HD when Sony are their own biggest customer giving away discs?

  • June 1, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    My choice is the 46" 1080P LCD Samsung playing HD-DVD

    by JDanielP

    ...as this (model of) t.v. itself will up-convert our dvd collection...while having all the connection-options you would ever want. It has the BEST picture I've EVER seen, which was running Peter Jackson's KING KONG. And BEST BUY also has a 40" version...but I wouldn't be satisfied with anything smaller than the 40". And you know what? Anyone who is looking to jump into "HD" and already has a large dvd collection, the way that Harry went just makes sense. You get yourself an HD-DVD player and save a ton of cash, which you can spend on movies. If up-converting normal dvds is enough for you, than put the cash into regular dvds and a player or t.v. that does up-conversion. However, if you want to experience the BEST picture and you have the television to back it up (or plan to have one), grab yourself an HD-DVD player like Harry did. There's just no way in hell I'd buy a Blu-Ray player, given the options available.

  • June 1, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    I will wait to but til Blockbuster decides

    by Dazzler69

    I rarely buy DVD's movies only tv series since it's more video for your buck. Since I only watch a movie a few times it's easier to rent. I will wait to see what Blockbuster does. Then buy used DVD's if I really like the movie.

  • June 1, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    ***** I will "up-convert" the Spider-man dvds I have.

    by JDanielP

    Suck it, Blu-Ray.

  • June 1, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST

    I have both

    by atomik kinder

    I have exactly 4 HD-DVDs and 25 Blu-ray discs. Seems there is more on BD that I would rather buy. And yes, Blu-ray players up convert DVDs too so that is not really a valid argument for HD-DVD. Also, I don't understand why people keep saying that the Blu-ray disc sales stats are inflated because of the discs they are giving away with the players. Last time I checked the HD-DVD players sales were giving away more titles than the BD. I have seen 5 to 7 free HD-DVDs with the purchase of a player and only 2 free with the purchase of a BD player. I got three free HD-DVDs with the purchase of my player, none with the BD player. I have been purchasing the BDs over the HD-DVDs when they are available on both formats. One of the reasons is that the HD-DVD versions are often times $5 or more higher in price! Go look on Amazon or DVDplanet. I don't think anyone else mentioned that here. Also, when it comes to sales, the BD versions ARE outselling the HD-DVD versions. Just look at The Departed, the first HiDef disc to sell over 100,000 copies. They are counting both formats here. And they must have lied about the 100,000 because it doesn't add up to that. 58,300 Blu-ray and 35,300 HD-DVD. It is not just The Departed either. Also, people say that the PS3 has bumped sales of Blu-ray discs because of a lack of games are stupid. Most of the people who purchased a PS3 have no HD TV and would be stupid to pay $10 to $15 more for a disc that would look exactly the same as a standard DVD on their standard def televsion! And also to the person who said LOST season 3 would not be out this fall on Blu-ray, according to Disney. It was just announced yesterday that the Blu-ray versions will be in the stores December 11th. I hope they do seasons one and two also!

  • June 1, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    ALSO....

    by atomik kinder

    I guess I forgot to mention this also, but when I first bought my HD-DVD player, I went to some of the HD-DVD message boards and was horrified to learn that a lot of people had to send them back to Toshiba to have them fixed! A couple people had to do it twice! I have not had to thus far, since I have not used it that much. Also, the HD-DVD copy protection was hacked months ago, using an add-on HD-DVD player for the XBOX 360. Haven't heard if they had done so on the Blu-ray, but that alone would lead some studios to not back HD-DVD.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    think of the future

    by stvnhthr

    Blue-Ray holds more data, so in the future won't that be beneficial? good comparison here: http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/

  • June 1, 2007, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Question for the HD-Haves

    by DarthTarter

    For a HD-Havenot. OK so from what I'm reading, a standard dvd in a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray is "upgraded". Thus someone like myself, who owns over a 1000 dvds were it would be improbable to rebuy the vast majority of what I own on a new format, why would I need to in the first place? Seems if I have a 50'HD-TV and a HD player of some sort then my old dvds would look pretty sweet thus outside of a few titles (lotr / star wars / etc) why would I need to rebuy? Does it really look *that* much better to be spending $1000s for something I already have? What would it matter that Harry couldn't buy Pirates? He could put his standard dvds in and, while not perfect, they'd look very good.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    why i don't need HD porn...

    by sonnyhooper

    ....the main function porn serves in my life is to crank one out when my wife isn't "available" to render services. porn is all about the "fantasy", so to have the "reality" of a boob job scar rendered in full HD....well, it just ruins that concept imo.

  • June 1, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Jurassic Park...ET...Hitchcock = HD-DVD only...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    And who cares about Star Wars on HD-DVD, it's just the stupid Special Editions/Prequels anyway. Besides, Im sure that $$-whore Lucas will figure out some way to finagle around that whole format war thing to cash in on the HD-DVD market...

  • June 1, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    I noticed some serious graininess in Casino Royale

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    And that was using a Sharp Aquos. This could be the encoding that they are using. However, what a lot of people are not considering is that the picture quality between the two formats are either indistinguishable or HD-DVD has the edge. The studios love Blu-Ray because THEY want to dictate to us when and how we play the media that WE purchased. In this respect Blu-Ray is insidious. But the point is moot because both formats are not even making a dent on conventional DVD sales. Only 25% of N.America has HDTV displays. Until that number increases nothing will change...

  • June 1, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    *************** Check out THIS link: ***************

    by JDanielP

    http://www.dvdreview.com/news/viewnews.asp?id=9363

  • June 1, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Take the single gap out of the above link and it works.

    by JDanielP

    http://www.dvdreview.com/news/viewnews.asp?id=9363

  • June 1, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    less than 1% of the market for both formats

    by VibroCount

    Yes, Blu-ray has more of the HD disc market than HD DVD. But, together they make up less than 1$ of the entertainment on disc market. I've created a pie chart to show the market share of HD DVD (red) to Blu-ray (blue) to standard DVD (yellow), and it is at http://tinyurl.com/32jtyc -- This format war is far from over because, so far, everyone is staying far away from it.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST

    DarthTarter

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    From what I've seen, the difference between an upsampled DVD and a HD-DVD is very noticible. Whether you are anal enough to demand the best possible quality and want to see the imperfections on the skin of the actors on screen. I will tell you this though, the movies I've seen that have a great deal of SFX in them actually suffer in HD. It's almost like the old days of seeing black outlines round models.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Mickey The Idiot...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Great point! My dad was certain that Beta would conquer VHS due to its superiority. However, this situation may be a little difference in that there are exact proportions for the disks (while Beta/VHS were different). If players could be priced that would support both formats -- and the price was closer to the HD-DVD standards -- then both formats could survive. I suspect that manufacturers will not be able to create low priced dual models for quite some time -- because of the current cost effective limitations in creating Blu-Ray. The ball is in Blu-Ray's basket. They will almost certainly lose the "war" if they do not raise demand by lowering cost. It is classic microecomonics. Demand for HD-DVD will continue to rise because of its lower price. If HD-DVD gains over 50% of the market share, and if Blu-Ray is still overpriced, then the war will come to an end in HD-DVD's favor. If Blu-Ray can lower their price before losing much of its market share, there will be a "tie" (and an advent of dual players). It Blu-Ray was able to lower their price to almost match HD-DVD this year -- then the war would be won in Blu-Ray's favor. The conclusion will be interesting to watch, and it will certainly be textbook material for Economics students over the next two decades!

  • June 1, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    1%, not 1$... sorry

    by VibroCount

    Typo...

  • June 1, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    I am waiting

    by Unnatural

    One of the reasons I think most consumers will wait to by hi-def DVD (or blu-ray) is that many of us have huge DVD collections. Put in one of these new discs and for those of us who already have the hi-def sets, the difference isn't that substantial. VCR to DVD -- huge jump.... DVD to HD DVD -- yeah you can tell, but not worth $300 player and zillions to update my collection.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Thanks Eye

    by DarthTarter

    That's what I wanted to know. Since I keep seeing about "upgrading" I wondered what the point was, but if there is a noticable difference, then I understand. Thankfully I'm not not one of those anal folks. Heck, I have glasses and can't see much half of the time anyway! But isn't the *point* of HD to make effect look amazing? Really you think they look worse? If so all this is pretty much a moot point.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Format war? What format war?

    by Homer Goes DOH

    This whole thread is irrelevant. There are already hi-def players on the market that play both formats, and many more on the way. This isn't VHS vs. Beta, where the media is a different size. It's all software on this one.

  • June 1, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Notice HARRY hasn't returned to this TB....

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    to address the exposed false facts and incorrect numbers in his "article" ?*cough*advertisement*cough*<br><br>methinks Harry's feeling pretty stupid about his impulsive, uneducated purchase

  • June 1, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Sharp ends the format war?

    by enozdaed

    This was on DVDreview website and sounds highly unlikely. Looks like something someone made up! $100? Sharp has made quite an amazing announcement, and one that has slipped almost completely under the radar. Sharp has just announced the release of a new optical disc player that will allegedly be the smallest player ever produced. In and of itself, this is mildly interesting. But more interesting is that it is capable of playing CDs, DVDs, Blu-Ray and HD DVD. That's right a dual format player, that could potentially eliminate the need to worry about formats. Thre press is very vague on the availability of this on a consumer level. But the player, be it a consumer item, or component is expected to cost less that $100 and begin shipping next month. If this is indeed a cross platform player, the news will certainly appear here soon

  • June 1, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    Tater

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    It could have been the sources that made them look shit. One of the worst examples I've seen is Stealth, (yes i know its a shit movie), while HD couldn't really ruin the movie any more it made the FX look bad.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Oops! Looks like you bought the wrong format!

    by Lio Convoy

    http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/11705/NYPost_Retailers_to_Pull_Plug_on_HD_DVD.html Should have waited and bought a Blu-Ray player! LOL! Sucky timing!

  • June 1, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    "Green jacket, gold Jacket...

    by IAmLegolas

    ... who gives a shit?" - Happy Gilmore

  • June 1, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Lio....

    by tmifune78

    Ass Stamp #1: Posting a NY Post article in the first place...Ass Stamp #2: Posting a 3-month old NY Post article...Ass Stamp#3: Posting a 3-month old article full of false information..."PS3 [Blu-Ray Player] about the same [price] as the cheapest HD DVD player"...pitiful

  • June 1, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Harry, a modest proposal...

    by King Psyz

    I know, Grande Rojo if you read this then I really would love to be your personal guide at next years CES show here in Las Vegas if you were honestly that mis-informed about the next gen media formats. Once you see the overwhelming support for Blu Ray from the CE industry, and not just SONY either, you will know of what the talkbackers speak. Honestly, I think you were or should have been shipped the top shelf Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players and libraries of films on both since day 0, but that's just my opinion...

  • June 1, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Lio, Fox owns NY Post, and Fox...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...is a friend of Sony. So... There is a recent article out that sales of HD players have increased tenfold since the Toshiba HD players have dropped. Average consumers will determine the direction of this format war, and price directs the average consumer...

  • June 1, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Bullshit

    by oogabooga

    Anyone who thinks Harry went to Best Buy and paid money for his HD DVD is smoking crack. Harry hasn't written a review for anything in years that wasn't bought and paid for by someone. He chose HD-DVD because Sony wasn't willing to give him a free player in exchange for a glowing review because they know nobody listens to this bloated whore anymore.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    According to the Hollywood Reporter....

    by metaluna

    http://tinyurl.com/33ja3s ...sorry Harry. Do you still have the receipt?

  • June 1, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    If someone wins the HD format war...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...the consumer will lose, because competition improves product quality. So probably the best thing is to just continue the two competing HD formats...

  • June 1, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    So any ideas on a HD-TV?

    by DarthTarter

    Well after reading most of this thread the only conclusion I've had is to just wait and see. I'm hoping Blu-Ray wins out so when I get a PS3 (once they put out a game worthy) I don't need to buy another player. But I have finally decided to quit being a slacker and buy a HD-TV any thoughts anyone? I have the money, but I'm certainly not wanting to spend 5k or anything. A friend says he'd buy another Vizio before he'd buy another Sony.

  • June 1, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    metaluna

    by Chishu_Ryu

    According to the article, that makes $ revenue between the Pirates Blu-Ray and Matrix HD about even. The article also reiterates what I just posted that the consumer ultimately benefits from this HD format war, not only in price, but in product quality...

  • June 1, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    DarthTarter

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Samsung, all the way. Whether you get 720p or 1080p...Samsung...

  • June 1, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    If Blu-ray should just look to HD-DVD and follow suit.

    by kikuchiyoboy

    Just release a cheaper 1080i player. Boom! people will buy. It's as simple as that. Just market the 1080p players as the "High" end models. Hell I'm willing to bet that most people that have bought widescreen TV's as of late only have 1080i's anyways. <br> <br> People just need a fucking insentive. People just want a decent priced machine that'll look f'n awesome on their 46" and up TV's. Even friends of mine that can afford these suckers are waiting just because the fear of being up shits creek when and if the format they chose dies. <br> <br> When I was younger we had Beta and Laserdiscs. I obviously don't play my Betas much, but I still use the laserdisc to play the original untouched THX Star Wars Saga and certain Criterion discs that never made it to dvd. It's still looks fine and works good enough. <br> <br> As for High Def discs I've been slowly collecting Blu-rays when on sale. Why? Because when the players get cheap I'll already have a collection of films to watch. I'm not worried if it goes bunk. It's still work as an upscaler and hell that's just mean the discs will go on the cheap until all is gone like Laserdiscs. <br> <br> As for people freaking out about repurchasing their whole collection again, who says you need "Party Girl" in High Def? I for one just can't wait to see "Lawrence of Arabia", "Gone with the Wind" hell any three strip film, "The Good,The Bad, and The Ugly", Fellini, and Kubrick films. I'll upgrade those in a heartbeat. Then just buy the most recent films I don't have or just fill in the cracks of my movie library. Once again if Blu-ray fails. So be it. I'll have an upscaling player with a library of HD discs already. I'll also have the pick of the litter when people start selling their used discs. <br> <br> Can't lose. At least if the player is only $299 or under.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Woh, I had masive spelling errors.

    by kikuchiyoboy

    it's = it'll and so forth. Gramar and spelling error=mind corrected.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    masive=massive

    by kikuchiyoboy

    Is this thing still on?

  • June 1, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    There's only $100 dollar difference

    by Thom85

    BestBuy.com is listing the Samsung BD-P1000 at $499.99, and Toshiba's HD-A2 as $399.99, currently on sale for $299.99. At a $100 difference, and with Blu-Ray having more titles, why go with HD-DVD? What else do you need to base your opinion on?

  • June 1, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    metaluna

    by tmifune78

    and that article is damaging to HD-DVD how?..from the article: "Both high-def formats are gaining traction amid growing Hollywood sentiment that the format war isn't necessarily a bad thing. Observers question whether hardware prices would have dropped as dramatically as they have if only one format was on the market".....for fuck's sake people, let people enjoy thier format of choice. Ultimately, I'm a film lover that will do what I need to do to buy the films I have a passion for, and right now I have a HD-DVD player because it was more affordable and their releases skew more classic at this time(and I'm defending HD-DVD on these boards because..frankly, it needs defending from all this BS and rhetoric like the above two links to articles "dooming" HD-DVD) but I'm sure I'll pick a Blu-Ray player up when they became affordable. Live and let live people...

  • June 1, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    The difference between $399 and $499?

    by kikuchiyoboy

    The average person is probably already stretching their finances to even spend $399. But it is a good point. <br> <br> The key is "2 year no interest financing". I bet more people would jump on these suckers.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    $400-$500????

    by lost.rules

    If you ever see me pay that much to watch some fucking movies...Kill me

  • June 1, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    "Closer" ended the format war.

    by kikuchiyoboy

    Good 'ol Padme in a pink wig and undies. Doing nothing but stripper splits. All in wonderful HD. <br> <br> Hee hee. Whatever. "2 year NO INTEREST PLAN"!!! Under $299! Make it happen greedy fucks. =)

  • June 1, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    "high definition discs are too good"

    by www.valiens.com

    I saw "Pirates 3" in digital projection and I had the same problem. It's distracting how crisp everything looks. It all looks like a cartoon!

  • June 1, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Remember when Tobias tried to join the Blue Ray Group?

    by Squashua

    And they ended up inviting in George?<br>Man, that was a great show.<br><br> I miss Arrested Development.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    MaulRat, is Matrix3 even out on Blu-Ray?

    by Johnno

    If not, how could you claim to compare them? Anyway, Blu-Ray has the most movies, so when I get a PS3 I'll be able to purchase the majority of them on that! And if HD-DVD exclusive movies from Universal don't come to Blu-Ray? Fuck 'em... I'll just pick up the regular good ol' DVD.

  • June 1, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    My HTPC plays rips from both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Opps, did I just say that....

  • June 1, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    um, that's a $200 dollar difference...

    by tmifune78

    and since that 'sale' has been quiet successful in encouraging HD-DVD hardware sales, expect that price to stick. Also, despite the fact that Blu-Ray has more studios "supporting" them, HD-DVD has considerable more releases planned through the next four months...

  • June 1, 2007, noon CST

    um, that's a $200 dollar difference...

    by tmifune78

    and since that 'sale' has been quiet successful in encouraging HD-DVD hardware sales, expect that price to stick. Also, despite the fact that Blu-Ray has more studios "supporting" them, HD-DVD has considerable more releases planned through the next four months...

  • June 1, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    TOO MUCH GARBAGE!!! SAVE THE PLANET!!!!

    by ludmir88

    too much plastic !!!!! too much unnecessary products!!!! THE MATRIX DOESN'T HAS YOU!!! THE MEDIA HAS YOU PEOPLE!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!

  • June 1, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    You're missing the point!!

    by Sandinista

    Who gives a fat flying fuck about which format wins? Are we getting any profit for this? It's not like defending directors or movies we like, these are big corporations we are talking about!! The problem for me was the all open merchandise that really compromised this site's integrity for me. What's the problem? Wedding too expensive?

  • June 1, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    ARE YOU GUYS INSANE!!!!!

    by deadpool51

    Porn will NOT decide this format war. This isnt the betamax vhs days. There is this little factor now in 2007 called the internet.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    My friend said Standard DVD upcoverted looks like HD.

    by kikuchiyoboy

    I punched him in the nuts and tears came pouring out of his eye sockets. I then said he cried like a tranny in a pink dress. <br> <br> Upconverted dvd's still don't have that pop that HD discs have. It's all in the detail. It's simple math. A 7 gig movie will not sound and look like a 20 gig and up movie. There's just more space and more information. That's of course if the transfer is up to par. <br> <br> I used to think that I'd use Blu-Ray as disc storage, but it would be cheaper just to get a bunch of hard drives. Besides, in a few years everything will be flash based. So as of now, all I care about is that they drop prices so it doesn't bother me it goes the way of the dodo. <br> <br> Movies on Flash Storage based hardware. That would be the shit. Nice and dinky. Most of all it could be quickly transfered.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    No, you're missing the point Sandinista

    by Johnno

    The point is all about convenience and saving ourselves money and making sure we bet on the right horse! So far it's Toshiba that's fucking around with their proprietary and inferior format. I, the consumer want the convenience of having all my damn movies on one standard player and format. And when it becomes more commonplace I can take them to someone else's place and play them there, or borrow movies from him and play them here without going, uh oh, can't do that... The sooner one of these formats gets ditched, the better for everyone! And frankly, Blu-Ray with more studios, more hardware manufacturers and more disc space is the best fucking solution!<br> And all this shit about comparisons to beta and VHS, yeah Sony's lost on developing their own media proprietary stuff a few times, but they've also contributed to the development of CD and DVD along with other manufacturers. Those formats weren't proprietary, and neither is Blu-Ray. Blu-ray is more accurately compared to the CD and DVD! HD-DVD is the new UMD format! I won't even compare it to Beta, as that was superior. And for UMD's worth... it was only meant to be used on the PSP. Primarily for games! Were proprietary cartridges on the gameboy or on the DS such an issue? Fuck no! They decided to toss in some movies as well, why not? Hell, I bought a couple and dug them while travelling, but only at $7-12 Canadian discounts, fuck if I'm paying the same amount as a regular DVD for that!

  • June 1, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    It's MICROECONOMICS, stupid!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Bottom line: Cost effects demand, and the demand for HD-DVD will increase drastically through the Christmas holiday. If Blu-Ray doesn't follow suit and introduce a comparably priced device soon, then Sony PS3 owners will begin replacing their drives by Christmas 2009. ... ... ... I would prefer Blu-Ray if only for their capacity. However, my money is on HD-DVD because of their price. Mark my words, the studios who produce programs "exclusively" on Blu-Ray will change their minds when they see that there is money to be made on HD-DVD (especially as the masses pick up these much cheaper players). ... ... ... ... Will a dual format player make a difference? In the end, it is twice as expensive for a studio to produce a Blu-Ray and HD-DVD version of the same film. One of these formats will certainly win. Right now, the ball is in HD-DVDs favor because of cost and greater backward compatibility. If they can market this "cheaper" concept -- then they have something to work with. If Blu-Ray can bring a cheaper player very soon, then their superior capacity will win. This war will almost certainly be won by either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray by Christmas 2009.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    If you want the best it has to be blu-ray

    by v1c_vega

    If not then stick with HD. My understanding is that a HD ready set has 1 million pixels and a full HD set has 2 million pixels. anything that upconverts is artificially altering the picture this may look ok but it's still artificial. Blu-ray if full uncompressed picture and sound which is why the higher Gig capacity is important. Up till now i was first with blu-ray then i started to believe the shit that hd was better now i know blu-ray is better and i don't give a shit what anyone else does i don't have to sit on the fence any more. Pioneers BDP-LX70 due in the UK soon is the player i will get now my 757i has given 4 good years service. It's will play any disc PAL or NTSC will upconvert etc for my old discs and i have no hesitation in getting one now. Microsoft has enough global power without HD DVD so i'm happy they won't be involved. When pioneer release the 8th generation 50in plasma set it will justify why plasma is the best format over LCD. So to recap If you want the best go with Blu-ray and plasma. If you want an ok/good set up go with HD-dvd and LCD. New technology will always be round the corner but it looks like blu-ray can last the next 10-15 years so i can invest in that time scale if something else comes along so be it , but it won't be HD-DVD for me.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Pirates outsells Matrix

    by Chrighton

    Week ending May 27, 2007 : Week: Blu-ray 69 HD DVD 31 : YTD: Blu-ray 67 HD DVD 33 : SI: Blu-ray 58 HD DVD 42 : 1. Pirates of the Caribbean DMC BD 100.00 : 2. Pirates of the Caribbean CBP BD 89.35 : 3. Apocalypto BD 73.73 : 4. Ultimate Matrix Collection HD 33.28 : 5. Letters from Iwo Jima BD 26.68 : 6. Complete Matrix Trilogy HD 25.88 : 7. Letters from Iwo Jima 22.06 : 8. Planet Earth HD 17.55 : 9. Casino Royale BD 13.64 : 10. Flags of Our Fathers BD 11.86 Within a week, consumers had spent more than $2 million on those releases alone, according to Home Media Magazine market research estimates. The two “Pirates” films sold a combined total of nearly 47,000 units, while the higher-priced “Matrix” sets sold about 13,900 units. In dollars, there was much more parity, since the single-disc “Pirates” releases fetched about $25 in stores, while the “Matrix” sets, each with all three movies in the franchise, were priced significantly higher. The five-disc “The Ultimate Matrix Collection” lists for $119.99, with an Amazon.com price of $73.95, while “The Complete Matrix Trilogy” (three discs) goes for $99.99 (Amazon, $63.95) Bob Chapek, worldwide president of Buena Vista Home Entertainment, calls the “Pirates” sales tally a “strong and significant trend toward consumer preference for the Blu-ray Disc format.” “We are thrilled by the critical and industry response to ‘Pirates’ on Blu–ray Disc,” Chapek said. “But more importantly, the consumer has spoken loud and clear. This is only the beginning, but it was certainly a significant and explosive indicator of things to come.”

  • June 1, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD has greater backward compatibilty?

    by gerrylum

    Umm... how does that work again?

  • June 1, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD

    by Candy ass monkey suit

    Well Harry has chosen well as far as im concerned,but whether HD-DVD wins out over Blu-Ray is another matter. Breaking it down Blu-Ray has more studio support which.. lets face it is the major factor here. Im a HD-DVD buyer and am well happy but id like to see more studio support for it,just having universal exclusively isnt enough. Some guy in the retail industry here said that there hadn't been a HD-DVD title in amazons top 10??..er wrong!!..both planet earth and the matrix have sat comfortably in the top 10 for weeks. Another major boost for HD-DVD is both LG and Samsungs forthcoming dual players..the samsung one especially is a major bonus as they are lodged firmly in the sony camp,or at least they were !!! hopefully more major manufacturers will jump on the bandwagon now and theres also the chinese players too. Here in the u.k things are much the same as in the u.s the shops sell both HD and Blu-Ray but support Blu-Ray slightly better. HD-DVD's certainly for the most part have better sound as the discs have either dolby true-hd or dolby digital plus where as blu-ray has just standard dolby digital on there discs..lame..HD-DVD definately is the better equipped and more relibale media format. Im not opposed to Blu-Ray but HD-DVD has impressed me more overall. The more it gets supported the more likely a major studio will start to release on it too..heres hoping!!?

  • June 1, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    ACRES of headroom??

    by polyh3dron

    One poster said that both formats have acres of headroom. I beg to differ. The VC-1 encoded King Kong on HD DVD used up ALL of the space on the 30GB disc WITHOUT HAVING LOSSLESS AUDIO. AVC or VC-1 encoded BDs however can do a film just as long with UNCOMPRESSED 7.1 PCM audio AND a shitload of features on 1 disc STILL with acres of headroom. Blu-Ray should and WILL win.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    I'm watching 1080p upconverted DVDs on PS3

    by polyh3dron

    So the whole backward compatibility argument for HD DVD is not only bunk, it's COMPLETELY OUT OF LEFT FUCKING FIELD HARRY. All BD players play DVD as well, and all of them upconvert IIRC.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Cheap Blu-ray player already exists

    by v1c_vega

    The PS3 thick of it as a DVD player that plays games and actually it's a bit of a bargain. Do you not think the price will come down naturally ?. The quality of this should more than satisfy the majority of people.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Why has Toshiba dropped the price

    by v1c_vega

    because of the PS3 the Toshiba could not stay at the $400 mark it's doesn't play games. It was not competitive they had no choice.

  • June 1, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    ADMIT IT IF YOU BACKED HD YOU

    by v1c_vega

    FUCKED UP !

  • June 1, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Backward compatability...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Both formats offer backward compatibility. However, HD-DVD currently appears to have a much stronger support for your DVD collections. My neighbor has a PS3 (with Blu-Ray) that will only play about 2/3 of his massive DVD collection. He told me that his XBox 360 HD-DVD player seems to play every single DVD. However, this same guy is a big PS3 fan. He naturally is rooting for PS3 to gain back some of the market lost to the 360 and the Wii. This obviously includes an element of bias in favor of the Blu-Ray. Heck, if I spent that much money for a Blu-Ray -- I would root for it too! However, I own an HD-DVD that is wonderful! I see little difference on a very large screen. The only major setback is the "Blu-Ray exclusive" offerings. If the HD-DVD format takes off due to demand created by the lower price, then I suspect that the major studios would simply begin selling both formats. ... ... ... ... ... ... I will say this: Both formats seem to have the potential to win any format war. One will certainly win -- because it would be cost effective for the studios to support and market only one format. The technical advantage goes to Blu-Ray, but the cost effective advantage goes to HD-DVD. The question remains: How much of an advantage is the superior space from Blu-Ray? Does it matter that it holds so much space -- if half of the disk goes unutilized? Will HD-DVD become a hot item because of its upcoming $150 price? I'll be watching!

  • June 1, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    I can understand people who invested in HD

    by v1c_vega

    Being upset at backing the wrong horse so it's obvious your going to be bias about HD.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    What does it feel like to be on the HD DVD payroll?

    by AlwaysThere

    I'd love to experience the feeling of filling my pockets with money and at the same time lying to myself and other around me.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Other CE Manufacturers

    by polyh3dron

    Haven't you noticed that Toshiba is the only company that makes HD DVD players? It's just like Sony with the Betamax. This is because Toshiba is selling these units at a loss and eating the cost in an attempt at a loss leader strategy. HD DVD can't survive with only Toshiba making players and no other CE company can make an HD DVD player at the same price as the Toshiba ones. Pioneer, Philips, Samsung and Panasonic all make Blu-Ray players though. This is why Blu-Ray will win in the long run. It is in the non-Sony and Toshiba CE companies' best interest for this to happen.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Another point about HD

    by v1c_vega

    It won't last as long as blu-ray without having to be upgraded so a couple of years time your going to need to invest again. Bang goes the cheaper argument.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    RE: Backward Compatibiliy

    by polyh3dron

    Your neighbor's PS3 probably doesn't have the latest firmware upgrade. I do, and my complete and vast DVD collection all plays on my PS3 and is upconverted to 1080p.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    HD-DVD is the new Betamax

    by polyh3dron

    Followup to my CE Posting: It actually is HD-DVD that is the new Betamax, and Blu-Ray the new VHS, because Toshiba is the only company that makes HD DVD players.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    "Blue Gene/L" may be the most powerful...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...computer in the world, but I will stick with my Dell. Why? I don't need to pay that much money for the power. Eventually, I will only purchase what my pocketbook can afford. This is the only advantage that HD-DVD has over Blu-Ray: Similar quality, less storage capacity, but a much better price. If the studios notice the market, they will begin selling both formats. Once one of the formats achieves a 65% market share in at least 50% of the homes -- the "war" will finally be won. Until then, we will be plagued with bitter studios fighting one another.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Smell the coffee HD is the loser tech

    by v1c_vega

    I can't believe how you can possibly think that 3 companies (HD) against the rest of the world is going to win . How are microsoft really that good ?

  • June 1, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    come on who has the killer statement

    by v1c_vega

    that's going to convince me that HD is better than blu-ray. If you bought HD you committed to early. If you bought blu-ray you'll be OK. HD may be slightly better NOW but IT WON'T BE IN FUTURE.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I think the argument is over and BLU_RAY

    by v1c_vega

    is THE WINNER.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    what a bunch of whiny bitches....

    by tmifune78

    do your mommies know you're online and using naughty language? I'd be careful, she may ground you from the PS3 you begged her for...go back to the ISUCKHOWARDSTRINGERSDICKANDPAYTODOIT forums and spread your propaganda there...its like being in a room full of George W. Bush clones...repeating the same shit and not listening to or acknowledging anything else someone has to say.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Never had 1 single Blu-Ray BC issue

    by gerrylum

    Granted I don't have a collection of 9000 DVDs, but I have more than 300 and I've never had any problem playing a single one. Blu-Ray backwards compatibility is 100% for me.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    unless someone can jump in

    by v1c_vega

    and save the day for HD i,m going to call it victory for blu_ray

  • June 1, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    V1C_Vega: Drinking a little too much of the Koolaid

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Most of the reasonable people are arguing that the differences in format are minor. The way that you are talking makes it sound that Blu-Ray is so advanced that HD-DVD is obsolete. By your logic however, neither format is successful because DVD's are creaming HD formats in sales.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    HD will be obsolete that is the point

    by v1c_vega

    Thanks Darfur

  • June 1, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    tmifune78...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Why did you have to bring politics into this? I'm a supporter of GWBush -- and very proud of it! You should be very careful about where you obtain your news sources. Other than that, I agree with everything you said.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    also Darfur im sure

    by v1c_vega

    VHS once outsold DVD

  • June 1, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I can give loads of reason why Blu_ray

    by v1c_vega

    I can't say any why HD apart from it's cheaper for now. Someone backing HD please change my mind with something substantial.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    I am with Blu_ray and i will defend it

    by v1c_vega

    with all my passion however someone supporting HD can change my mind if you can give me something substantial to convince me that HD is the BEST option.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    ccc...

    by tmifune78

    heh, we'll agree to disagree on politics then and agree to agree on whiny bitches. Fair enough.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    tmifune78

    by Thom85

    It's hard to respond to an argument no one is making. HD-DVD supporters here seem to bray over and over "It'll win because it's cheaper...and that's about it." Meanwhile, you could make an "Everything You Could Possibly Know About Blu-Ray" Manual from the info thrown up there. And the mommy thing? It just makes everyone picture you as the comic book guy on the Simpsons.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    OK, you jokers...

    by Abin Sur

    Here's yet ANOTHER article on upscaling, but it's a good one, so check it out: http://tinyurl.com/3xbfdo

  • June 1, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Cost does matter...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...because a lower cost will increase demand. If HD-DVD builds a support base in volume, then their inferior technology can corner the market. For God's sake, look at the PS2 vs. X-Box "battle." PS2 won the battle. Why? It had less to do with superiority and more to do with availability. If a lower price makes the product more widely available, more and more studios will begin marketing HD-DVD formats. The ultimate victor of the war will be determined by price and availability. Blu Ray has more titles, but this may change once HD DVD (with a new lower price) produces more players. My guess is that HD-DVD is attempting to create a base of supporters by lowering the price as low as possible. Blu-Ray CANNOT counter this move (not yet, at least). More HD-DVD players will create more purchases of each of the titles. More titles sold will result in the major studios rethinking the "exclusivity" of one format (Blu-Ray over HD-DVD). Once a format achieves a 65% market share in over 50% of homes, the war will be won. Right now, HD-DVD seems to have a superior market strategy. If Blu-Ray somehow was able to counter this with cheaper players, then they would challenge (and probably win) the war. I just don't know that Blu-Ray manufacturers would be ready, willing and able to make a supply/demand sacrifice this early in the game.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Not Only Cheaper...The Picture is SLIGHTLY Better

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Also, some people are jaded with the way that Blu-Ray handles issues pertaining to DRM. If Blu-Ray camp want to discuss size issues (30 vs 50 GB), this is easily combated by the idea that dual and triple layer discs will be soon available. Once again, I am not saying that HD-DVD is supreme, but technically I do not see the huge advantage of Blu-Ray.

  • June 1, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    HD picture may be slightly better now

    by v1c_vega

    but it won't be for much longer and it really depends on what display you are using. HD won't last long without an upgrade and guess what you are going to have to pay microsoft for that. So you will have microsoft making DVD upgrades like computer operating systems. I don't think this will apply to blu-ray. HD backers you need to have more vision.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Cost will come down naturally no matter

    by v1c_vega

    who wins. and for both camps. Look at plasma 4 years ago 42in £4500 todays spec 50in £1600 same make.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    What is the matter with you people?

    by staticneuron

    Yes, DVD sales are strong. But no one is talking about DVD's. The arguement is about what is the next successor. This stick with DVD's tripe is stupid. It will prolong this battle. One format needs a little support and if it gains enough of a difference it will win. You want to sit and wait? god for you. But I would like BR to succeed because of space (not really quality because that isn't an issue). Why settle for the smaller sized disc? Take companies out of this equasion, take movie companies out, and lets talk about technology. there were CD's, then DVD's, so what is the next step? DVD's aren't going to be useful forever so what do you want? Logical answer is BR because of it's single layer capacity that is larger than HD DVD. People supporting HD-DVD are doing it for the wrong reasons and are stunting progress.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    On the subject of Dual and triple layer disc

    by v1c_vega

    i may be wrong but from what i understand your current HD player won't be compatible with triple layers and you will need to upgrade. I don't think this is the case with blu-ray who are taking about quad layer 200GB one disc. I also believe that you will need to turnover a HD disc which supports larger capacity.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    another point on cost

    by v1c_vega

    i can get a value DVD player for £17.95 at my local Tesco do i want one no.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    DarfurOnTheRocks, what are you talking about!

    by staticneuron

    I have my hands on both formats and I can assure you. Alot of the films look the same. Some are better on HD-DVD and some are better on Blu Ray. But what does that have to do with the technology? Absolutely nothing. They are not better than each other per se they just behave differently. What has you up in arms for HD-DVD over BR?

  • June 1, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Thom...

    by tmifune78

    heh, if I looked like the comic book guy, that would indeed be an issue. However, as it stands, I'm a rather handsome fellow. Anywho...it's naive and ridiculous to ignore price as it's the driving force behind this Wal-Mart consumed nation. Price WILL be the deciding factor as its always been - if all other marketing factors are equal. Superior technology means very little to the average consumer and as Darfur pointed out, dual-layer and soon to be triple-layer discs will make this argument moot. The advantage there will mostly apply to PS3 gaming software. Blu-Ray has more studio support but even that needs more scrutiny. Fox and MGM has no planned titles for release for the rest of the year. Sure, I hear it's about a Java update and the threat of copy protection. Who gives a fuck the reason, the fact is Fox and MGM is not a selling point for the better part of the next year and possibly even further. By the time their happy with Blu-Ray copy protection, this damn war could be over. Lion's Gate is a non-entity. That leaves Disney and of course Sony. Disney has 10 announced Blu-Ray titles and the release date of Pixar's 'Cars' has been pulled. All facts. HD-DVD has more confirmed upcoming release dates for titles than Blu-Ray by a considerable margin despite all that "studio support". As it stands, the HD-DVD library will be around the same as the Blu-Ray library at the end of September. I'm not saying HD-DVD will win the format war but it's definitely far from over and it may never be over. I'm just asking that people put their PS3 controllers down long enough to be objective. For my money, an HD-DVD player is definitely money well spent and it will be for a lot of people considering sales of Toshiba players have increased tenfold at some retailers with this latest promotion.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    on more point on cost

    by v1c_vega

    when DVD player first hit the market they were all over £500 (probably higher can't remember) now the cheapest i've seen is the value one at £17.95

  • June 1, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Right, Vega...but...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...there will almost certainly be a single format victor. TV reception is universal and they all follow the same player formats (although some are far more advanced and of better quality). There is only cost effective room for one victor in the home theater war. If Sony had been more willing to compromise, we might all be selling Beta tapes at our yard sales (instead of VHS). But Sony has this terrible track-record of non-compromise. It is evident in Betamax, Memory Stick, UMD, Digital8, and ATRAC. If Blu-Ray flops, this story will certainly make it into the "bad business" hall of fame!

  • June 1, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    HD backers you are missing the point about

    by v1c_vega

    HD technology won't last longer than blu_ray without more cost and outlay you will have to upgrade your players again as the layer technology won't work on current standards. Blu_ray can full fill future potential without this extra outlay.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    biased much? ccchhhrrriiisssm

    by staticneuron

    As everyone loves to point sony out for their failures they conveniently seem to forget their successes. The first CD was released by Sony in 1982, 3.5 floppy's, Video8, walkmans, Digital Audio tapes (DAT's), their partial share on DVD's, playstations and their TV's. For their so called failed formats, the may not have taken over the markets but have gained significant uses in the professional industry, which would not really put them down as unsuccessful ventures. Betamax, and minidiscs (which uses atrac format) were/are used by professionals in the TV and Music industries respectively. There is a huge misconception also about the aims or goals for each product. Memory sticks, UMDs and Atracs were used pretty much for sony devices and not licensed out. There for Memory sticks and UMD's are still in use and cannot be described as market failures when their market still exists. Whats even worse about people's anologies about Blu ray is that they mark it as sony's proprietary format when in fact the format is made by 8 different companies, has several licenses out for the hardware and has managed to gain the support of many major movie production companies before starting out. As far as any other movie format goes there is no straight comparison because betamax was not licensed out to many companies and did not win over the support of many studios and UMD's are made for PSP's only which means that they are only going to be purchases by PSP owners and no one else (no home players, burners, UMD computer drives). Quite frankly anyone who thought UMD was a push to supplant any major home format (especially since BR was being worked on years in advance) was missinformed.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    my last point

    by v1c_vega

    I have been waiting for the dust to settle over the last few years not knowing which one to back pioneers UK website has convinced me blu-ray is the best choice. Pioneer are not as big as most of the other players around however there philosophy of the best over price rings true to me. For a small company like pioneer to put it's head on the block and go against the flow in terms of plasma VS LCD and back blu_ray over HD is enough for me to back blu_ray. i have every confidence that blu-ray is the best longer term choice therefore it has to be blu_ray for me. HD users all the best i'm sure you will still be happy for now.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    DarfurOnTheRocks

    by jfp2007

    HD doesn't look better than BR. After they fixed up all of the codec issue with BR, both formats now use the same codecs. If a film is being released on both formats, one transfer that will fit on the smaller capacity HDDVD is used on both editions. If it's a BR only release, the transfer will be larger and too big for a HDDVD and should look a lot better given BR has a 20 gb advantage over HDDVD. Just remember, if a movie is on both formats, you're looking at the exact same transfer, so there is zero different in quality. If you're seeing a difference, it comes down to bad connectors or some kind of flaw with your hardware.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Note on compatability...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    BluRay players use Blue Light lasers; blue light drives <b>can't</b> read DVD's. What BluRay players have, at the moment, is a seperate red laser to read older discs; in effect you get a bluray player and stand alone dvd player in one. While your players are capable of playing back the movies; the technology itself is incapable and there's no guarantee that future players will have the ability; which is the whole argument from the the dvd forum and toshiba since, red light technology will ALWAYS play old media.<br><br>It's one of the many reasons that BluRay players cost more to manufacture and cost more to buy.

  • June 1, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    TheAllSeeingEye, you are an example of what is wrong

    by staticneuron

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD#HD_DVD_.2F_Blu-ray_disc_comparison Both Blu Ray and HD-DVD uses blue lasers to play their media and that makes your statement retarded. Furthure more People who OWN blu ray players(including me) are coming on here and saying that their players can read DVD's. So if Blu Ray and HD-DVD use blu lasers and then the players can also read DVD's.... what does that tell you?

  • June 1, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    No..you're not getting the point

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    HD-DVD also uses red light as an integral component in it's plackback. Blu Ray doesn't use it at all.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Anchorite

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Blu Ray technology only supports media written by Blue Light lasers. Compatability we have on BR players now is down to a seperate red light laser enclosed in the unit.<br><br>HD-DVD on the other hand supports both Blu-Laser and Red-Laser. There is infact a HD-DVD format that exclusively uses red light playback; it's also called 3xDVD. In effect you get 85mins of 1080p footage on a standard dvd disc. In other words, Red Laser is part of HD-DVD technology meaning it will always be, backwards compatible.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Let me continue cos now i want this off my chest

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    As someone with a BR player, (PS3) and an HD-DVD player as well as a pretty nice HDMC I've invested alot of time into looking at the two formats.<br><br>Like I said before, the technology for BluRay and HD-DVD is almost identical except Sony refuse to have integrated red laser support. In effect, should they win the HD format war, there's nothing stopping them from removing DVD support from their future products to push BR disc sales.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    3XDVD

    by gerrylum

    Yeah... how often is that gonna be used? At 85min of playback time, it's useful only for training videos and home movies. In fact, is there an example of a current commercial use for it at all? I doubt manufacturers are going to keep the red light laser in HD-DVD drives JUST for 3xDVD. HD-DVD also ignores the red light laser in 99.9% of instances.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    TOSHIBA IS NOT THE ONLY HD-DVD MANUFACTURER

    by lotusblade

    Onkyo has THREE HD-DVD drives coming out in September, and that includes a $300 player. That player will not be "losing money," and Meridian is also coming out with a $3,500 player in October. The Meridian will also be a world class CD Player and DVD player. <p> RCA will have a player out again this Christmas, it will be the first RCA manufactured device (the previous HD-DVD player was a restamped Toshiba). <p> Samsung will have their combo player out this holiday season. They will be announcing a standalone HD-DVD player at CEDIA in September. It's supposed to be around $300. <p> So Onkyo, Samsung, Toshiba, and TWO Chinese Manufacturers will have players out this holiday season for UNDER $300. The Chinese players will be UNDER $200. <p> Meanwhile the BR camp is PRAYING that their Chinese Manufacturer can come through with a $350 player! <p> Combine that with Disney going neutral to help Wal-Mart (their biggest seller) sell their HD-DVD players.... <p> And I'd say the war would just be heating up. First HD-DVD KILLED BD in sales in Software and Hardware in 2006 (with a 6 week head start, not a year like some idiots proclaim on this site). In fact HD-DVD lead into February of this year. Then BD took over with the help of the PS3. Things will even out, and then HD-DVD will take the lead again (and likely to never give it up) come the holidays. <p> That is unless the BD camp and Sony can find a way to match the upcoming cheap players.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    gerrlyum

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Not quite, since the red laser is also an important part of HD-DVD for data storage and is used to track the disc in HD-DVD burners. Alot of you seem to forget that it's for more than just movies. Sorry mate, but "99.9%" is a little bit of an exageration on your part there and I'm still right, natively BR doesn't support DVD; it's an added feature to current players. Emphasis on the word "current" there.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    I highly doubt that HD-DVD

    by gerrylum

    I highly doubt that HD-DVD manufacturers are going to keep the red-light laser for the one guy out there who is actually using 3xDVD. The fact is that the MAIN reason to include the red laser in ANY player, Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, is to facilitate backwards compatibilty with DVDs. So rest assured that red-lasers will be included in all HD players for the considerable future.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Anchorite..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    You know, Sony really did dig themselves a huge shit pit with PS3. The backwards compatability is a bit of a misnomer since, in the US and Japan it's a hardware feature, and in Europe it's entirely driven by software; in either case it's very buggy and even with the 1.8 update it's still not up to scracth..thats for another talkback though.<br><br>To answer your question though, yes, current PS3's have to have the red light to read PS2 software, but their whole strategy is to start selling old software over the internet for download; i wouldn't be surprised, given their shocking track record, that the red laser gets given a heave-ho in afew years time. You're safe to buy one now though if you fancy owning a a $600 games console that has no decent games.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Why would they remove the

    by gerrylum

    Why would they remove the red light laser anyway? It's probably the CHEAPEST component in the player, and one of the biggest marketing advantages. Just doesn't make any sense for Blu-Ray manufacturers to remove it now OR in the future.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    v1c_vega has no idea what he is talking about

    by lotusblade

    The Triple Layer HD-DVDs can be read by the current players. This is the same FUD that HD-DVD fan boys were spreading before the BD50 discs. The Lasers can read multiple layers just fine. No one will be buying a new player to use the 51GB HD-DVD discs.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    gerrylum, sorry are you sniffing solvents or something?

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    How much easier can I explain this for you. Red laser is INTEGRAL to the HD-DVD format approved by the dvd forum, (old DVD consortium), and will NEVER be removed.<br><br>Blu Ray on the other hand doesn't require it for playback and is only included, at the minute, to keep people sweet with huge DVD collections. The goal, ultimately, is to get you to buy all your old movies again.<br><br>Been there, done that with laserdisc, not doing it again.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Combo drives..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Are a great idea to prevent people from being screwed, but last I read, Sony were being a bit funny with manufacturers looking to make combo units.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    AllSeeingEye... it's a matter of marketing

    by gerrylum

    Not sniffing anything except common sense. Sure I agree with you, the ULTIMATE goal is to get people to buy old movies (for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray), but that won't be accomplished by pissing off the customer in the first place. If Blu-Ray players were to remove backwards compatibility, I'd be the first in line to buy an HD-DVD player. Just seems extremely silly to even CONSIDER that a possibility until Blu-Ray is dominating the market, whether or not it's integral to HD-DVD.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Yeh,,,

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    But do you think Sony would remove it BEFORE they win their HD format war? I'm not suggesting they'll do it while theres competition on the market, especially competition that supports DVD as standard. The whole BR/HD-DVD issue isn't about quality of playback or storage space; it's about making sure it's compatible with older technology.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Photon or Laser-Tag?

    by WONKABAR

    [wink][/wink]

  • June 1, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Honestly

    by gerrylum

    No, I can't imagine Sony or any Blu-Ray manufacturer would remove it before they win the HD format war. Actually, it's hard for me to conceive that they'd remove it even AFTER the format war is over seeing as the cost savings are negligable, and there will ALWAYS be DVDs out there that people will want to watch. The fact that I can watch my old DVDs doesn't mean I'm not going to rebuy them on the new format anyway, so I can experience them in HD. I've done so already with several of my titles. They'd just be shooting themselves in the foot if they did that, and if that happened well they deserve to lose the format war.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Allseeingeye - are you sure you own a PS3?

    by Cymbol

    Cause mine isn't "buggy" at all when it comes to playing DVD and PS2 games. And the 1.8 update with upconversion to 1080p works like a champ. Just wondering where you got your info from. The X-Box 360 61% crash rate is what I call "buggy".

  • June 1, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    It's not a case of cutting costs..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    It's a case of gettin people to buy that which they already own. If there's no alternative consumers don't have much choice and let's face it, DVD's arent the most reliable pieces of hardware ever made. Sure people are free to buy machines now that upsample to be safe but, they don't last forever and it's a shitload of trouble if to have two players hooked up.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    cymbol..Oh i'm sure since i can't help but rue the fact

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I paid over the odds for an import machine. The playback is adequate, not good a good enough reason to shell out so much money though. A stand alone DVD upsampler does a better job than the PS3 does. It seems clearer on the stand alone unit.<br><br>As for PS2 games, Metal Gear for me seems to actually run better on the PS2, no idea why but it does.<br><br>I've owned 2 xbox's since they came out and only one of them has froze on the POST screen. Sorry, but the crash rate, failure rate is something that the sony geeks love to mention when everyone else points out that at least the xbox had software worth buying at launch.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    AllSeeingEye, I agree

    by gerrylum

    It's not a matter of cutting costs. It's a matter of value-added to the consumer. HD-DVD player manufacturers aren't keeping the red laser ONLY because they're forced to by the requirements of the format. In fact, I'm sure part of the reason they requred it is because they know that backwards compatibility is a value to the consumer and helps to drive sales. Blu-Ray manufacturers know this too. They know people don't want to have both a Blu-Ray and a DVD player hooked up. So, as value added to the consumer, they include backwards compatibility and hardly any cost to them. If consumers continue to buy DVDs, they're still making money. In fact, it might be arguable that studios make MORE money per DVD than they do per HD-DVD or Blu-Ray due to the reduced cost of manufacturing them. What it comes down to is giving the customer what they want, and what they want is backwards compatibility. Sony knows this and has strived to provide the strongest backwards compatibilty in the video game market with the PS2 and PS3 - far stronger than the 360 ever offered, though that's a subject for another talkback.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    To Herc:

    by Cymbol

    You can try to calm the waters with your post level headedness but people are mostly upset with Harry. People have and will always cry "plant", especially if you own a website a champion an unpopular movie or standard popcorn flick. I never believed it of Harry till his earlier(and unedited) post. Either he was paid, or simply didn't even bother to TRY and find a credible source. I personally will never read another of his reviews and definately won't read his HD-DVD reviews cause I'll always have it nagging in the back of my mind that maybe he was paid to say this. He has truely been diminished in my eyes. I don't care which format he likes, at least tell the truth or check the facts you were paid to say. Sheeesh.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    gerry

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    The whole point of of the HD-DVD format was to provide the new features offered by a high density medium while retaining the backwards compatability with a proven, established format. Structuraly, the discs and formats are identical which is why they work so well together.<br><br>My whole issue with BluRay is that Sony left the consortium that it founded back in 1995, to pimp a format with no inherent support for DVD. If sony were to come out and say "Hey, bluray players will ALWAYS be compatible with DVD's then I'd be quite happy to give them the benefit of the doubt.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Hahaha - Allseeing. . .

    by Cymbol

    "failure rate is something that the sony geeks love to mention when everyone else points out that at least the xbox had software worth buying at launch." It's a sad comfort that you have plenty of titles to play while your 360 is at Microsoft getting fixed. My brother in-law couldn't get his fixed. But really, this isn't an arguement on which is better. ( I don't own a 360) I was just saying that my PS3 plays 1080p upscaled DVDs on my 65in and they look awesome. Just a different experience.

  • June 1, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Ok, I guess I give them more

    by gerrylum

    Ok, I guess I give them more credit than you do, but I'll concede that they haven't come out and made a specific guarantee that it will always be compatible with DVDs. But, like I said, if they ever pulled something like you suggest they would, then they deserve to lose the format war.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    All this talk makes me want to buy movies...

    by enozdaed

    I think I will go buy one HD-DVD and one Blu-ray. Just so I am not choosing sides here.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Why I didn't get a 360 - may surprise you

    by Cymbol

    I was a big PS2 fan - have a kid and they had more children's titles. I went to Korea for a year and got an X-Box a couple of years ago. It was immediate how much better the games were on X-Box. Same game on both consoles - no contest, X-Box. Almost a year ago, when 360 came out, I didn't have the cash at the time so I figured I would wait. While I waited - no new X-Box games came out. They totally turned their back. PS2 games still come out to this day. And big titles. Microsoft will never get my money again. Not after a big "F*ck Off" like that. Sony has promised 10 years for each new format (even if they overlap). So, it's not that I am the biggest fan of PS3 - it's that Microsoft doesn't care and in fact, actively screws its customers. That's all.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Anchorite - there is no way that I believe

    by Cymbol

    Microsoft didn't have leverage. They have it any time they want to use it. Maybe, if what you say is true, it would have been more difficult, but I hardly doubt they were helpless. Developers want money, they would it. But this is just me guessing. I'm just saying, it just doesn't have the ring of truth to it. But thanks for the info.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Gotta side with Cymbol here...

    by gerrylum

    And I don't want to turn this into a PS3 vs. XBOX discussion, but the Xbox had more than enough of an installed user base to make it profitable for developers to continue making games for the 360. However that would cut into Microsofts plan to dominate this generation of consoles if people could just continue playing their old Xboxes. It's similar to what AllSeeingEye was talking about. Microsoft essentially FORCED people to upgrade to the 360 by removing support for the original Xbox.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Ooops

    by gerrylum

    I meant "for developers to continue making games for the original Xbox".

  • June 1, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Perhaps Blue-ray "can't" lose

    by WONKABAR

    staticneuron might have a point, BD seems to be the next step. Even if HD-DVD were to somehow win on the movie front of things, and even if Microsoft cons a few manufacturers into installing HD-DVD drives into their computers. The fact is that BD simply has more storage capacity and would (seemingly) become the preferred format for software/games/ music etc. etc. Apple and Dell are already gonna start doing BD-drives. Microsoft can't push HD-DVD and the only hardware they make (XBOX) doesn't even include it off the shelf. So even if HDDVD were to "win" BD still wouldn't "lose"...our movies might be on HD-DVD, but, like Beta, BD would most likely still be the choice of pros...and further, it would also probably be used by consumers for a whole host of other things as well (However, if BD "wins" [as a movie-format] I would imagine that would be pretty much be the end for HD-DVD) Like I said, I thin BD... having more capacity, isn't going anywhere, whether we watch movies on it or not. And that might kind of suck. Not any worse than VHS winning sucked, or like the US not switching to metric. It could just be a bit less tidy I guess. Something to think about maybe.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Dorkiest TB Ever

    by Abin Sur

    And I've certainly played my part in it...I can GUARANTEE there are no women posting on this one.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but....

    by WONKABAR

    look at some of the dumb things woman talk about....try watching Oprah.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by jfp2007

    Don't be an alarmist. AICN gets its funding from advertising via the banner ads and clicks. There are no kickbacks. That's conspiracy theorist horseshit.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Hang on

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Who says XBOX 360 has no developers? Last time I checked it was ahead in sales and had all the big software deals; something PS3 is sorely lacking due to its high price.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Nevermind Gerry

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I missed your follow up post. I was about to say that 360 has ample supply of developers queuing up to make games; including the big japanese companies which is nice considering they usually like to stick to making games for Japanese companies.<br><br>Look this isn't a console pissing contest. It's neither here nor there why you would prefer xbox over ps3; it's no skin of my nose since i own both. Let's just keep it about BluRay and HD-DVD eh?.......since we all know 360 trounces PS3 into the dust :P Just kidding..now...back on topic.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    The dork must flow...

    by WONKABAR

    Xbox still rules btw. If only because of LIVE, which is still light-years ahead of...everything. I'm sure MS wouldn't pass up the chance for a BD-add-on if got them a little extra cash also. You make some great points all-seeing-eye (I'll assume you're accurate on the native/non-native red light stuff) and as much as I would love to join Headgeek and friends on the bandwagon right now ...I truly believe at this point, that if Universal goes neutral any time soon (and I have a feeling they might) then this debate over. Especially if they do it around three months from now, just after the cheapo Toshiba-players have forced out the high-end manufacturers while at the same forcing down the BD-player prices...and just before the Holidays. That would be the toast burning, no question.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Just got back from Best Buy

    by atomik kinder

    I fully intended on buying and HD-DVD... The Frighteners is out, but damn it, Best Buy didn't have it. So I was looking at the titles and saw Monster House Blu-ray. I was going to buy it eventually, but these had the Spider-Man 3 bonus disc included, (I like free things) so I picked it up. Now, the woman at the check out had to ring both of them up.....Sooooooooo, does that count for two sales for Blu-ray?

  • June 1, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Xbox reliability

    by jae683

    61% I call bs on that. I got my 360 on launch, as did four of my friends. Not one of them has ever had a problem. No glitch, lockup, or failure. So where is these so called issues?

  • June 1, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    I haven't a problem with my 360

    by WONKABAR

    It was just the same kind of d00ch-bags that burnt up their original Xboxes when they put it in a confined space. Treat it like a real computer-hard-drive (it basically is) instead of like your old PSone (on the floor/shelf with your books, CDs , dirty clothes/beer-cans) and yeah, it'll choke.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    My 360 works fine as well

    by Phategod2

    6 months and counting.

  • June 1, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Dead 360

    by atomik kinder

    My nephews got a 360 and it died a month after they got it, which was about a year after launch. They had to send it in to get it fixed. I guess it has worked fine since then.

  • June 1, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    GOW makes it worth getting....

    by WONKABAR