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Mr. Massawyrm Sees MR. BROOKS And Says it Mr. Sucks!!

Published at:  Jun 02, 2007 8:33:26 AM CDT



Hola all. Massawyrm here.



God, what a fucking mess. What really pisses me off about a film like this is that I absolutely love half of it. It's a great movie. A great idea. That just gets completely buttfucked by the typical pasteurized and homogenized rules of Hollywood. You see, this movie is utterly crippled by the very same convention that killed a very similar film a few years back titled Murder by Numbers. It's the notion that we as an audience will not accept a bad guy - or in both of these cases serial killers - as a protagonist. We have to have a good guy to root for. And it's bullshit.



While there is a lot of truth to the idea that you can't really tell a story entirely with unlikable characters, there is a big gap in what we as an audience will consider unlikable. For example, while we may not like a particular character – in this case Kevin Costner's Mr. Brooks – we certainly can find ourselves positively fascinated by him. And that fascination can lead us to embrace this protagonist in ways we're probably not supposed to. It can allow us to in some way, shape or form identify, and later even root for him. Even when we shouldn't. As is the case with Mr. Brooks.



Mr. Brooks is evil. He's a serial killer. In fact, he's not just A serial killer, he's THE serial killer. He is the famed suspect zero. The guy so good he will never be caught. He's incredibly intelligent, sociable and completely successful in all his endeavors, whether they be business, family or notoriety. But he's an addict and he knows it. He is compelled to kill despite wanting to quit. And he spends a lot of time having an inner monologue with the devil inside him, played by a creepy and wonderfully enthralling William Hurt. In what could easily be a trite bit of contrivance, you get quickly roped into some deliciously sinister conversations between the two, representing the inner struggle and thought processes of Costner's Mr. Brooks. And what particularly works is that they never hint or discuss whether Hurt is simply some kind of hallucination or just the representation of his damaged Id.



EVERYTHING between Costner and Hurt is solid gold. I loved it. They actually have this amazing chemistry onscreen together that makes these scenes just pop. Every time Hurt showed up the movie was worth every painfully bad moment I had to suffer through without him. Not only is the concept of a killer trying to quit in the same way an alcoholic or a smoker might try to fight off their cravings interesting, but the killer having other worries, including that his daughter might be suffering from his very same illness, offers you something extraordinarily unique. Even Dane Cook, who I've never particularly been a big fan of, delivers a wonderful performance as the guy who discovers Brooks' secret and rather than trying to turn him in, tries to learn how to get the sick thrills Mr. Brooks enjoys.



The problem is that Demi Moore keeps showing up. Now I've no problem at all with Moore or her performance. It's her character. The prototypical, clichéd cop on the edge trying to capture the elusive serial killer while dealing with her own baggage. YAWN. And if it were just boring, that might be fine. I might just hate her character but like the movie. Unfortunately everything that completely sucks about this film comes from her story – up to and including the fact that this movie actually gets one serial killer too heavy and just becomes fucking silly. Every bad story element, every overdone moment. It's all hers. Hell, it even takes the lame, unbelievably asinine supernatural cop gut instinct to even keep her remotely involved in the story. I'd say that this was the product of lazy writing, but it's worse than that.



Her character wasn't originally intended for this film. It's plain as day. This cop was shoehorned in when the writer or writers were told that they weren't allowed to make a movie in which a serial killer was the protagonist, and was written just well enough to make it seem like she belonged. But she doesn't. In fact, I'm convinced that you could edit her character out entirely and make a really badass hour long film. You might even be able to make a feature out of it if there are some cool scenes left on the cutting room floor. Moore's cop is so superfluous that I honestly, without exaggeration, believe it could be done. There is just too much of this movie that doesn't involve her in the slightest. And what does wouldn't feel out of place if she were removed.



No, this story is about Mr. Brooks. Mr, Brooks interacting with Dane Cook's Mr. Smith. Mr. Brooks interacting with his daughter while trying to avoid his family discovering his secret. And most importantly, Mr. Brooks interacting with the William Hurt he keeps locked inside of himself. That movie is pretty freaking good. But it is interrupted so often by a terrible attempt to give the audience someone to root for that it sinks the entire experience. In its current form it is relatively unwatchable, a roller coaster of very cool scenes bookended with moments of soul crushing banality. And it just pisses me off. This should have been something new, different and daring. Instead, what could have been becomes what's already been. And I can't recommend this film at all.



Maybe, just maybe, if you're a big serial killer buff and you also have the capability to ignore whole chunks of something that is prone to suck the hairs right off of your sack - then maybe, just maybe, you could catch this at a matinee or rent it and not hate yourself for doing so. While watching Hurt and Costner do their back and forth is so goddamned worthwhile for a film lover, it doesn't do enough to make this worth recommending otherwise.



Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em.

Massawyrm


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  • May 30, 2007 8:21:06 AM CDT

    Mr. First!

    by jubba

    I have passes to see this movie...i wonder if i should skip it...

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  • May 30, 2007 8:21:07 AM CDT

    FIRST

    by cletus van damme

  • May 30, 2007 8:21:34 AM CDT

    second by a second?

    by cletus van damme

    F me. I guess I'll eat it.

    Reply to Talkback

  • May 30, 2007 8:21:34 AM CDT

    Wyrm is a tool!

    by phantomspazzz

    I hate that guy

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  • May 30, 2007 8:21:37 AM CDT

    tastes good, cletus.

    by jubba

  • May 30, 2007 8:22:01 AM CDT

    You mean Dane Cook can't act?

    by lost.rules

    Or be funny?

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  • May 30, 2007 8:24:04 AM CDT

    Will this have as many false endings as 'The Guardian'?

    by spandau belly

    I thought that flick was over like fifteen times!

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  • May 30, 2007 8:24:08 AM CDT

    Lol, Jubba

    by cletus van damme

  • May 30, 2007 8:24:31 AM CDT

    HURT is the bomb...but not enough to get me to see this

    by mrsinister7381

    John Hurt rocks.

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  • May 30, 2007 8:25:05 AM CDT

    I could have told you

    by rat fink

    that this movie would suck. Anything with Costner and Dane Cook is guaranteed to be a bonified piece of shit. Dane Cook is such a faggot

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  • May 30, 2007 8:25:19 AM CDT

    Oh, so Dane Cook CAN Act!

    by lost.rules

    But he's still not funny.

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  • May 30, 2007 8:28:04 AM CDT

    Ummmm

    by colonel activity

    They made that movie you're describing; they called it "American Psycho". But yeah, I hate the whole "wounded/tough/haunted" female cop character, too. Like Sandra in "Murder By Numbers"? Get her the fuck out of that Leopold and Loeb inspired flick! I noticed the TV spots for this flick...it looked like it was trying to be too many things at once.

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  • May 30, 2007 8:28:58 AM CDT

    Really? You mean the studio ruined the movie...

    by lost.rules

    by giving it typical Hollywood good guy? Wow. I thought studios always wanted ORIGINALITY in their movies. Huh.

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  • May 30, 2007 8:31:22 AM CDT

    Demi Moore sucks - she even managed to ruin Striptease

    by jugdish

    BTW - have you seen her in HD...yikes!

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  • May 30, 2007 8:38:17 AM CDT

    I got 'em

    by kragmose

    And I smoke 'em! Demi Moore is shit.. not hot, never beeen hot.

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  • May 30, 2007 8:39:45 AM CDT

    "You're too close to this case, Demi Moore!"

    by franklin t marmoset

    "The chief's been chewin' me a new asshole! I wanna see results or you'll be ridin' a desk 'til you collect your pension! Now, gimme your gun and your badge and whatnot! YOU'RE SUSPENDED!!!"

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  • May 30, 2007 8:41:45 AM CDT

    I heard that...

    by colonel activity

    Costner fucks cats in this movie. True story.

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  • May 30, 2007 8:42:06 AM CDT

    Demi Moore

    by rat fink

    was an annoying bitch in the 80's. Trying to be hot & sexy in the 90's but failed. And now she's just an old deteriorating pile of crusty puss.

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  • May 30, 2007 8:42:24 AM CDT

    Mr. Massawyrm is a Mr. Douchebag

    by dammitchloe

    can the guy be any more holier than thou in his reviews? what a pompous ass.

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  • May 30, 2007 8:46:30 AM CDT

    demi moore

    by dammitchloe

    might have been annoying in the '80s, but she was damn hot. i still go for the Ghost look, but i remember thinking she was gorgeous in One Crazy Summer. what a decade to be a teenager. phoebe cates, demi moore, jennifer jason leigh, jennifer connelly...

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  • May 30, 2007 8:49:30 AM CDT

    Any truth to the rumor that

    by colonel activity

    Costner fucks cats in this movie? Hmmmmmm?

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  • May 30, 2007 8:54:44 AM CDT

    It has Dane Cook and Kevin Costner

    by jor-el23

    and it sounds like the plot of The 3, written by Donald Kauffman. Of course it sucks

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  • May 30, 2007 9:00:21 AM CDT

    Dane Cook is a piece of shit

    by ijustlikemovies

    It can't be said enough.

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  • May 30, 2007 9:03:02 AM CDT

    "You're a loose cannon, Demi Moore!"

    by franklin t marmoset

    He-he. Someone needs to do a new 'cop on the ragged edge' story. I know they're out of fashion these days, but I have fond memories of those films. Those crazy rebellious copper types were always getting into vilolent scrapes, then getting shouted at by their bosses. It was great.In conclusion, more films about divorced alcoholic police officers who break all the rules and beat people up are needed. Please get on that right away, Hollywood types.

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  • May 30, 2007 9:03:24 AM CDT

    To echo IJUSTLIKEMOVIES:

    by bgdawes

    Dane Cook is a piece of shit. It honestly can't be said enough. Too bad there's not a law against being a complete douche, otherwise he'd be in sing-sing.

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  • May 30, 2007 9:19:38 AM CDT

    I recommend everyone just watch DEXTER.

    by brokentusk

    Sounds to me like that is what this film is trying to be, but isn't.

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  • May 30, 2007 9:21:08 AM CDT

    Brokentusk is right

    by cletus van damme

    Dexter is awesome, as well-written and acted as The Shield. I can't wait for season 2.

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  • May 30, 2007 9:28:22 AM CDT

    "You're off the case McGarnagle!"

    by spazwankle

    "No chief! You're off your case"

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  • May 30, 2007 9:38:20 AM CDT

    Franklin T, this Bud's for you!

    by spandau belly

    HITTER: A Spandau Belly ProductionJohn Hitter was bad cop in bad city with bad credit and a bad rash until one day he's called in to track down a missing state witness. After a muscle car chase through Chinatown Hitter finally tracks down the witness who mutters something about not being able to beat City Hall before killing himself. Hitter hits the streets, hits the bottle, hits the skids, hits the limit and hits it big time unravelling a case of greed and corruption in that goes all the way to the corridors of power. His sarge calls him into his office and tells Hitter his methods are reckless and demands Hitter's badge and gun. Hitter blows him away and throws the badge on his corpse and then gets a car full of dynamite and drives into City Hall shooting corrupt cops by the hundreds. He finally confronts the mayor who reveals his evil plans, perversions, and cackles. The mayor has a sniper who shoots Hitter in the back and stands over him cackling and thinking he's won until Hitter pulls a detonator out his pockets and they all die together in a giant explosion.

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  • May 30, 2007 10:09:33 AM CDT

    "You're a loose cannon, Spandau Belly!"

    by franklin t marmoset

    I would see that film in a second. In fact, if I had several millions of dollars laying around, I would give you one of those greenlights the Hollywood types are always going on about. We may have to change the ending, though, so we can have Hitter 2: Hitter's Revenge. This time, IT'S PERSONAL!

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  • May 30, 2007 10:38:13 AM CDT

    Your reckless, loose cannon Demi Moore

    by redfist

    And you still haven´t put in on this baker´s dozen.

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  • May 30, 2007 10:43:44 AM CDT

    hehehe Loose Cannons

    by bloo

    wasn't that a film starring Jay leno and Pat Morita? too bad Morita is dead...Leno is retiring soon, maybe he can play HITTER

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  • May 30, 2007 10:44:01 AM CDT

    Dane Cook is no Douchebag

    by douche baggins

    Are you using douchebag as some sort of slur?! Sir, that is a hate crime against douchebags!! Dane Cook is a talentless, unfunny, dumbass.

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  • May 30, 2007 10:46:19 AM CDT

    Quick Question about Costner's cat-fucking scene

    by gwai l0

    I have this movie as a series of Realplayer files on a Zip Disk, but I don't want to watch the whole thing. Could someone tell me at what point in the movie Costner fucks a cat? Is it half an hour in, or towards the end, or when?

    Thanks in advance...

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  • May 30, 2007 10:54:35 AM CDT

    HITTER 2: THE CRACKBREAKTAKEDOWN!

    by spandau belly

    I don't want to change the ending to Hitter prt 1, I'll have him die and then he'll just be magically alive and a full cop again in the sequel. People will think it's a prequel, except that he'll die again at the end of the this one, too. This will leave audiences confused and force then to want to rewatch the first one boosting DVD sales and funding Hitter 3.I want the sequel to revolve around Hitter going after the woman who gave him his rash and going Death Wish-style on every pimp in the city. I also want Hitter to have that classic scene where he encounters his ex-wife who's now a brain-dead syphallis loonie and Hitter breaks down and cries. I also don't have a problem having Hitter take place in several cities at once. We'll film it like it's all one city but occasionally have them drive by the Statue of Liberty and then go twisting down some San Francisco-style hilled streets in the same sequence.I would really like Steve Buscemi to play a snitch in a scene where Hitter tortures the snitch and gets the info he wants, but then kills him anyway and lights a cigarello with a flaming 100 dollar bill and walks out of the billiard hall like nothing happened.

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  • May 30, 2007 10:58:48 AM CDT

    Demi Moore is a cat-fucking cop on the edge!

    by the_outsider

    The re-writes will get her more involved in the story. "Your gun, your badge and the bullpen cat, if you please!"

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  • May 30, 2007 10:59:51 AM CDT

    Remember the Police Chief from "Last Action Hero"?

    by daddylonghead

    "The Chamber of Commerce is doing cartwheels in my cocoa factory!"

    I continue to think Last Action Hero was severely underrated. Loved that flick.

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  • May 30, 2007 11:04:09 AM CDT

    Dane Cook

    by theflashjla

    He is clearly funny to a lot of people because the guy is damn successful, and also the guy just got a fucking good write up not just in this review but elsewhere so get off his back because clearly this film wasnt a train wreck cos he was in it. If you dont find him funny dont watch his comedy, its nothing to get worked up about.

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  • May 30, 2007 11:39:51 AM CDT

    Massawyrm should stop posting these.

    by freefinger

    He doesn't know how to write an actual review, "It's good, it's bad, It's great, It gets bad..." I mean you should take a minute and actually from an opinion intead of bash anything without actually thinking first... Try to view the movie for what it is then write, don,t just get your incredibly unfocused ridiculous and completely ass-raping view of a movie with a catch phrase of "Mr. Massawyrm Sees MR. BROOKS And Says it Mr. Sucks!!" then go on about how good the movie plays out then bash it because you weren't able to follow a story because you can't put a puzzle togheter.If you say it's bad, then it must be good.

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  • May 30, 2007 11:57:41 AM CDT

    Massa sees Mr. Brooks and sez Demi Moore's character

    by skimn

    sucks!!" should be the tagline. I agree with the above post, it sounds like this is more of an interesting disapointment than a total failure.

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  • May 30, 2007 12:04:20 PM CDT

    Puppy

    by skimn

    Maybe he's got something for Ashton, thus his hatred of Demi.

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  • May 30, 2007 12:05:22 PM CDT

    Kevin Costner

    by kwisatzhaderach

    One of the few actors left in Hollywood that has any integrity. Open Range was amazing. I'll buy a ticket for this to support Kev. More westerns please Kevin!

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  • May 30, 2007 12:07:52 PM CDT

    Oh Wyrmm you're such a Drama Queen!

    by borgnine jr

    Do you cry after watching others have sex?

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  • May 30, 2007 12:36:37 PM CDT

    WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A FILM WITH DANE COOK IN IT???

    by err

    Seriously, he sucks as an actor and a comedian.

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  • May 30, 2007 12:59:05 PM CDT

    Understand

    by skimn

    Madonna saw Mr. Brooks and said it was "neat".

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  • May 30, 2007 1:31:34 PM CDT

    I'll See This Just For Dane Cook

    by zoefan

    NOT. Dane Cook = Not Funny

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  • May 30, 2007 2:12:37 PM CDT

    everett robert

    by lopan

    collision course is what youre thinking of. loose cannon has dan aykroyd and gene hackman

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  • May 30, 2007 2:24:44 PM CDT

    lopan

    by bloo

    oh yes you are correct, ahh the height of 80's buddy comedy movies, cumilating of course with Burt Reynolds in Cop and a half...

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  • May 30, 2007 2:25:14 PM CDT

    And re:Open Range

    by bloo

    that is a really great western

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  • May 30, 2007 2:29:26 PM CDT

    "Mr. Brooks" looks like a peoce of shit

    by the central scrutinizer

    The first clue that this movie sucks is the presence of Dane Cook. I actually have free passes for this stink bomb and I'm not going to use them.

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  • May 30, 2007 2:37:39 PM CDT

    Dane cook

    by theflashjla

    Why does everyone keep saying Dane Cook isnt funny. This is a serious role so why the fuck do you care if he is funny. He is getting good reviews so get over whether you like his comedy or not

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  • May 30, 2007 2:41:42 PM CDT

    theflashjla...

    by err

    Dane Cook still has "funny lines" and will help to provide some comic relief in the film. I don't care if it's a more serious role or more serious tone, he's still the funny man of the film and his acting/comedy suck.

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  • May 30, 2007 2:50:04 PM CDT

    YOU KNOW..

    by the real mirajeff

    I'm gonna see this one, I think it looks cool and I love serial killer movies, but this review scared me a little, because I can totally understand where Massa's coming from, and the comparison to Murder by Numbers is really worrisome. That was a good movie with two solid performances from Gosling and Michael Pitt, but it became a Sandra Bullock movie and gave her a lamestory about her chest is all scarred from being nearly murdered. I hope that's not the type of character Demi plays, and I REALLY hope she doesn't turn out to be a serial killer too, because I don't know what Massa meant by one too many killers in this movie, but I didn't like the sound of it one bit. I can't wait to see Costner and Hurt's repoire onscreen and I think I like Dane more than most, excited to see him in a dramatic turn. Make no mistake, Knocked Up is the movie you should be spending your money on this weekend, but I'll definitely give this one a chance, I just hope it's not as disappointing as Massa says, cuz usually he and I are in agreement. As bad as Demi may be, I completely recognize how insanely hot she is, and totally understand why a guy like Ashton, who could have any young starlet in town, would want to settle down with someone 20 yrs his senior and her kids. She's gorgeous. I never thought so back in those Ghost years, but damn, Demi Moore is the ultimate MILF, and her voice is sexy as hell. If I had a million dollars like Redford, I'd totally make a play for her.

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  • May 30, 2007 3:14:54 PM CDT

    No, Mirajeff...

    by massawyrm 1

    This is EXACTLY like Murder by Numbers. You feel where I'm coming from. You are gonna dig almost everything without Demi and loath everything with her. And Franklin's early joking about cop cliche's kinda hits the nail on the head. This really does get pretty bad at times.

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  • May 30, 2007 3:54:08 PM CDT

    Kevin Costner hasn't made a good film in a decade...

    by err

    and he isn't about to start now.

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  • May 30, 2007 4:02:02 PM CDT

    I FEEL YOU

    by the real mirajeff

    Massa, I feel you. I mean, I'll have to judge for myself, but I can totally believe it. As soon as I saw the trailer for this, it felt like Dane and Demi were both there to do sort of the same thing. Like I said, I'm still looking forward to it and have to make up my own mind, but I remember how high my hopes were for Murder by Numbers and how disappointed I was at the end of that one. One interesting thing to note here, is that the director of Mr. Brooks hasn't been behind the camera since Kuffs, which I saw for like my 8th birthday party and still consider one of my favorite guilty pleasures. I also feel like Brooks could've done a whole lot better if it opened earlier in the year. It doesn't feel like a summer movie at all, but I feel like it was scared off of a late winter/spring release thanks to crap like Number 23, and semi-crap like Disturbia and Fracture. Too bad. Because I would not want to have to open up against Knocked Up, which will almost certainly defy expectations, whatever those should be.

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  • May 30, 2007 4:41:53 PM CDT

    1. Re-edit the DVD release

    by det. john kimble

    1a. Excise the Demi Moore and see if the structure still holds up. 2. Rename it "Mr. Brooks: Portrait of a Serial Killer" 3. ???? 4. Profit

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  • May 30, 2007 4:45:44 PM CDT

    my take on animal structure

    by badmrwonka

    first off, the guy is a hoot. 40 year old virgin? not funny...talented Mr. Ripley (multiple oscar nominee)? not a good film...nothing will top when he said Gandhi was a violent prick and the war in Iraq was going great.my take on it? somehow Animal Structure was involved in a horrible Taco Bell drive thru accident where he was all mangled and stuck in his car for hours. during this time, his head was LITERALLY stuck partially up his ass. all he had to eat for hours on end was the Taco Bell burritos he had just recieved before the accident. unfortunately, before he could be rescued, they passed completely through his system, and he was forced to expell them through his anus. due to the unfortunate position he was in, this caused part of his brain to actually be filled with burning taco diarrhea. in yet another horrible coincidence, the part of the brain affected was the opinion and reason center, in the right frontal lobe.poor guy. he is literally a "shit for brains"

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  • May 30, 2007 4:52:11 PM CDT

    Bad Writing? Homogenized rules?

    by movies_suck

    This, from the guy who gave a positive review to Pirates 3, a movie written by committee. A racist movie at that.

    I'm sure Mr. Brooks sucks but I think the reviewer lacks the credibility to ever criticize bad writing in film, because like I said he liked POTC:AWE.

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  • May 30, 2007 5:19:13 PM CDT

    ah yes, the old talkbacker logic conundrum.

    by badmrwonka

    reviewer liked movie A.I didn't like movie A.reviewer is wrong about movie A.reviewer must be wrong about everything.reviewer didn't like movie B.I don't like movie B either.but reviewer is wrong about everything, so how can we agree?masturbate with action figures and cry.

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  • May 30, 2007 5:20:55 PM CDT

    Spandau Belly

    by billypilgrim

    How about, Hitter 2 : Hit Harder. Say it a few times. Try it on for size. How about Hitter ending up in the slammer? A cop solving crime while in the clink is always good entertainment. Why am I more interested in Hitter than Mr.Brooks??? Weird.......

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  • May 30, 2007 5:51:18 PM CDT

    Why is Demi Moore still allowed to make movies?

    by doc_strange

    EVERYTHING she comes out in sucks. OK, Ghost was pretty good but all she did was cry like a bitch. All her other films just go to show why she's a terrible actress. I don't care how buff she got for GI Jane, her co-stars kicked the shit out of her acting-wise. To make matters worse, she's married to arguably the worst actor in Hollywood, Ashton Kutcher, who's career is thankfully, finally becoming irrelevant. Let's hope after this, we never see these two again. Costner's cool though. I think he just needs that one last great film to cap off his legacy.

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  • May 30, 2007 5:54:02 PM CDT

    Doc_Strange...the Wand of Watoom says...

    by err

    Demi Moore was just fine in A Few Good Men (which starred Kevin Bacon - YES! Only 1 degree of separation!)

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  • May 30, 2007 6:19:56 PM CDT

    Wonka

    by movies_suck

    I didn't see Mr. Brooks yet, but I'm just astounded that somebody who can level criticism at a film for its writing can also sit through Pirates.

    I don't have an opinion of Mr. Brooks only of Massawyrm's lack of insight.

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  • May 30, 2007 6:34:47 PM CDT

    Movies_Suck

    by badmrwonka

    as I said, you are unfortunately not the first Talkbacker to use this formula:reviewer says something I disgree with = reviewer is wrong about everything.you're more than entitled to your opinion, even as it dervies from a severe logical deficiency...but judging by your screen name choice, you aren't really here to do much more than complain, are ya? mm? mm? mm....

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  • May 30, 2007 6:44:21 PM CDT

    rental

    by stvnhthr

    This does sound like a fascinating idea for a film, but the execution is lacking. A serial killer trying to self-diagnose is like a blind optometrist. Plus it would be cool to see how the main character realizes he is not only psychologically sick, but morally fallen. Criminals are not always stupid or insane, but usually highly intelligent and rational beings. I think it would be a real shock to show moral depravity for what it really is.

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  • May 30, 2007 6:58:54 PM CDT

    Yo, Massawyrm

    by subovon

    is the movie bloody and violent? I'm looking forward to it like MiraJeff, and I think I could even stomach the Demi Moore BS, if the film is squirm inducing in places. Thanks for your time, mate.

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  • May 30, 2007 7:00:07 PM CDT

    I side with Everett Robert

    by subovon

    on OPEN RANGE. That last gunfight is top 10 for me. I love Costner when he hits hard. Too bad he doesn't do it too often.

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  • May 30, 2007 7:09:49 PM CDT

    Someone greenlight Hitter now

    by cherryvalance

    I'd much rather see that. Spandau Belly, maybe you can film the whole trilogy all at once. And make sure the second unit's director and DP speak different languages that you don't understand.

    About this movie, I wasn't expecting much. I know other people love William Hurt but he reminds me of a washcloth. So really my only hope was Kevin Costner. :/

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  • May 30, 2007 7:27:48 PM CDT

    DAY OF THE JACKAL

    by conniebrean1

    Has no real protagonist to root for, just the assassin on his way to kill Charles de Gaul. It works really well. The remake gave us a protagonist in the Richard Gere character that ruined the movie. Typical.

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  • May 30, 2007 8:06:51 PM CDT

    thanks Subovon

    by bloo

    I'm pleasently surprised how many Open Range fans are here on the old TalkBack today. Costner is a lot like one of the old west guns, when he hits it makes an impact when it misses you point and laugh...and every once in awhile you'll get grazed, Costner is great but things doen't seem to click (For the Love of the Game, A Perfect World {wasn't that the one with him and Clint Eastwood?} etc)

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  • May 30, 2007 8:14:25 PM CDT

    Dane Cook WAS funny on Conan

    by thebige

    Did anyone see that? He tells an anecdote about Costner while making the film. Costner was talking about all the work involved making "Postman," and the setups, and one big scene where he was riding a horse, and he just knew it was going to make a powerful statement. So Cook replies " The Postman, huh?" >>>>> Pause >>>>> "When does that come out?"

    Ok, I thought that was funny.

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  • May 30, 2007 9:11:10 PM CDT

    I am already making a direct to dvd rip-off of Hitter..

    by alonzo mosely

    Called Slapper and starring Don 'The Dragon' Wilson as Slapper, Fred Williamson as 'The Chief', Martin Kove as 'The Corrupt Politican' and some newly enhanced bimbo as the love interest...

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  • May 30, 2007 9:54:47 PM CDT

    Everett Robert, I also beg to differ

    by subovon

    I have to admit to loving A PERFECT WORLD. I thought it was
    a very nice follow up to UNFORGIVEN. I loved its quiet, unstoppable logic, and
    I enjoyed watching Costner play against type.

    But OPEN RANGE, well, like I said, that gunfight at the end...
    I remember seeing it in the theatre, and the first gunshot was so loud, it
    jolted me. And it's pretty realistically violent. Love the way he swings his
    gun into the guy who's holding Annette Benning
    hostage. Like he means to punch him with the gunshot. Great stuff. I hope people who haven't seen will check it
    out. And did we mention Robert Duvall does his share of ass-kicking? Hell yeah!

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  • May 30, 2007 9:55:21 PM CDT

    Open Range was better than Unforgiven

    by daddylonghead

    I can't think of a single other movie with Costner in it that I can even stand, but I do feel my subject line to be true.

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  • May 30, 2007 10:57:57 PM CDT

    Subovon

    by bloo

    was A Perfect World the first movie that Costner palyed against type? I can't remember. I remember enjoying it but not loving it, perhaps I need to go back and rewatchit as it's been FOREVER since I saw it.

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  • May 30, 2007 11:39:26 PM CDT

    Wonka

    by movies_suck

    I think you're confused my logic is based on his inability to properly critique a film. It's not just the pirates review.

    My alleged deficiency of logic (not logical deficiency) is supported by you making a statement of equivalence not at all in line with what I'm saying.

    I'm saying:

    Reviewer continually overlooks major script problems = reviewer not a credible judge of script quality. i.e. You can't trust his opinion on what constitutes bad writing.

    I could sum up your 'logic' as succinctly and incorrectly as you summed up mine: Talkbacker likes Massawyrm's reviews = Anyone who doesn't is wrong.

    That statement is hopefully as untrue as the one you tried to use against me.

    And my screen name is a joke, much like yours.

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  • May 31, 2007 12:26:32 AM CDT

    HD is only one step between now and the beyond!

    by subovon

    I'm not upgrading for several reasons, and the main one is the
    shitty look of all these HD / BR covers. I hate it that they take up valuable
    space on the cover of my favorite movies to make sure I know it's a BR disk, or
    an HD DVD. I know, goddamnit, I fuckin' bought it. The covers just look like
    crap. Just look at the cover of Robin Hood in this article. Gorgeous,
    original poster, and that ugly as hell red HD-DVD advertisement. What a
    blemish. I'm a collector. I also buy the cover, and I hate it when Hollywood changes it from
    the theatrical release, like the STAR WARS DVDs.

    I'm inclined to think BR is the best of the two based on the
    simple fact that it has a lot more capacity to store information, and in the
    end, it's all about ones and zeros. The more you can store, the more you can
    do. Period, end of argument. That the films look
    different on either format is a matter of encoding, and that too, is being
    worked out. That's the underbelly of this technology. While we're talking about
    which format is best, they're figuring out how to best encode their flicks. And
    once they've figured it out, they'll all do it the same way, and then, it won't
    matter what format you buy it on, because it will be 6 of one, and half a dozen
    of the other.

    BR may also be the only format that will be able to survive,
    once Hollywood
    decides 1080 is low def, and that's going to happen pretty soon (next 5 years, guaranteed).
    Think about it: the Genesis digital cameras are the first step to getting
    digital filmmaking to catch up with the amount of detail you can get on celluloid
    film (Lucas used them, Gibson did, too on Apocalypto –
    did you notice they weren't shot on film?). I don't think for a second that
    digital cameras will not surpass celluloid film in definition and clarity, it's only a matter of time. History teaches us that
    technology will surpass itself, and I don't think my grandchildren will know
    what film is, unless I teach them (and you better believe I'll be taking them
    down to my dark room to show them how you develop film in the dark, and print
    gorgeous pictures under a green or red light (your choice – I have both, to adapt
    to my mood), it's one of the great art forms.

    As for Porn, it's been said on this talkback already:
    they're not going to decide anything, because they don't sell all that many
    units, be it HD, DVD, or VHS.It's not the business
    they're in, anymore. The future of porn is already history: it's the net. Porn practically
    invented video on demand. They certainly have popularized it, and they're going
    to keep making a killing like that. Also, the porn studios are on their way
    out, whether they like it or not (I fucking love it – let the girls get all the
    money – they do all the hard lifting, for fuck's sake). As porn stars become mainstream, we can see how it becomes acceptable to be in
    porn. And amateur porn scenes are starting to look professional. This will keep
    getting better. Pretty soon, porn won't be about fake titted
    Jenna Jameson types, it will be about your own neighbor. Hallelujah!

    Anyway, ultimately, I think HD or all kind,
    is an intermediary step. Once Video On Demand becomes the norm (see Apple TV as
    the first consumer friendly proof that it will, and many, many, many, will
    follow), only collectors will buy hard copies of movies. That's you and me,
    folks. But by the time that is reality, BR and HD DVD will be history, because
    they'll have a format that can store three times as much
    information on its media... and really, it's all a good thing. The whole
    ULTIMATE MATRIX on one disk: it's a moment away.

    I therefore side with everyone here: get what you want, and have
    a good time. Like Rip Torn said in MEN IN BLACK, "I'm gonna have to buy
    the White Album, again." Yup, and we'll be happy to do it. 'Tis the way of the consumer world.

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  • May 31, 2007 12:28:09 AM CDT

    Sounds like Return of the Jedi,

    by lezbo milk

    and the prequels. Moments of total geek heaven coolness...bookended by stupid shit.

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  • May 31, 2007 12:29:47 AM CDT

    Everett Robert

    by subovon

    I don't know of that many movies where Costner plays a bad guy with a mean streak. And even in A PERFECT WORLD, he was kind of nice, especially to that kid. I just really liked that flick. But I have to admit that even when I don't like his movies, I still like Costner. Except maybe in 3000 MILES FROM GRACELAND. For some reason, that one really grated on me.

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  • May 31, 2007 12:32:56 AM CDT

    Wonka a joke?!?

    by badmrwonka

    you better take that back. it's one of the most beloved and inspiring children's books of all time!!"logical deficiency" is ambiguous, sure, but I intended both meanings. (you buying that?)I don't love Massa's reviews, and I've disagreed with him a lot, but the idea of some sort of specificity of mistaken reviewing is a little hard for me to swallow. POTC3 (which I haven't seen) is really a much different monster than this film, is it not? Massa liked that film, but the most he said about the writing was that it was "densely plotted" or something like that. he didn't say it was brilliantly written at all, just that it was very fun and enjoyable.a movie like Mr. Brooks is a thriller, so all it has to do is thrill. i.e. not be so cliched and formulaic that it bores the viewer to death, as it did with Masswyrm.so it isn't really his attitue about writing that you have trouble with, in my opinion, since he never really mentioned the writing in his original review. it's the fact that he liked a movie you obviously didn't, and now you think his opinion is invalid. which is a fair point. he liked a film, you hated it, you don't want to listen to him anymore. that's FINE, and certainly your right. but it does sound curiously like my original post, doesn't it?

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  • May 31, 2007 12:33:36 AM CDT

    mea culpa

    by subovon

    aw, man, I'd like to apologize to everyone for posting that long-ass article about HD in this talk-back. It was meant for the one for Harry's HD-DVD story. Sorry to take up so much space in the wrong place, folks. I'm bending over. Kick away.

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  • May 31, 2007 1:18:25 AM CDT

    Alex

    by thecatherinefuture

    It is definitely possible to have a movie with a violent/troubled character as its main protagonist - A Clockwork Orange is just one movie that I can name, where the audience sympathises with a psychopath, i.e. Alex.

    This sounds like it could have been a great movie, that is now just going to be sorta lame. How sad.

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  • May 31, 2007 2:06:56 AM CDT

    I'm seeing it for crazy Costner...

    by spectrebeeyatch

    And the possibility of watching Dane Cook die. He was funny the first time I saw him but his shit gets old quick. Since I have to wait to watch Knocked up until my friends come back next wendsday I'll see this instead.

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  • May 31, 2007 4:32:46 AM CDT

    Is this a remake of "Our Miss Brooks"

    by napoleon park

    or just based on the same French comic strip?

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  • May 31, 2007 5:41:16 AM CDT

    These films

    by kragmose

    I like to wave at them as they pass by.

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  • May 31, 2007 7:19:43 AM CDT

    Thanks for all the support guys

    by spandau belly

    If I ever run into Harvey Kietel drunk in a bar, Hitter will go into production that night. I have no problem making Hitter a trilogy and having the third section take place in prison, where Hitter will have to fistfight all the crimminals he put away.I'm glad you (or y'all) enjoy Hitter's tales. If Clint Eastwood happens to be reading this I think if you produced Hitter it would really endear you to your fans. Seriously, call me, punk.

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  • May 31, 2007 3:09:41 PM CDT

    Spandau Belly's HITTER

    by schnorbis

    Your ideas on HITTER are pretty funny! If he dies in the first film, he'll just magically be alive in the next. And showing New York AND San Fransisco in the same scene. I like goofy stuff like that. It's as if the guys who made AIRPLANE! would do this. I'd go see HITTER!

    FWIW. I thought Disturbia and Fracture were pretty entertaining.

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  • Apr 20, 2008 2:45:06 PM CDT

    Looking back now...

    by lagomorph

    This review is on the money but it gets one thing wrong. It's still really fucking worth it. There is sooo much to love in this film. Def. recommended.

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