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Imax Joker? Pics and interesting DARK KNIGHT info here!!!

Published at: May 29, 2007, 1:37 a.m. CST

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. So, we've seen the scarred Joker pic at the viral website a week or more back, now here's a couple production stills released along with the news that Chris Nolan is filming four of the big action sequences in THE DARK KNIGHT with the Imax 70mm cameras, including the introduction of the Joker. Check out the pics below and click it to visit USA Today (thanks to KevinInChains for the heads up), where the news and pic broke!



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  • May 29, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    No joke

    by KarmicRelief

    First

  • May 29, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    cool

    by skiprat1

    Is he in a gang who wear these pre-scarring or summat?

  • May 29, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Firstdizzle

    by Chrisofthestoneage

    That's gotta be Joker in the background, not dude in the front.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    It's just a mask, right?

    by Rakafraker

    Did I miss something? I thought the Joker's face was his own... <p>J/K

  • May 29, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Great

    by George Newman

    purple jacket. <p>I wonder how he gets the scar? I predict Batman gores part of his face(the rough scarring) and Joker tops it off within the Exacto Knife curls at the edges of the smile.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST

    He begins as a theatrical bank robber, then Loses it.

    by George Newman

    Thats what I would expect.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Is the Joker the guy with the gun?

    by lost.rules

    He's wearing purple.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Great news about the IMAX camera too

    by George Newman

    It will looks spectacular. I just hope Nolan doesn't use the horrible quick cuts in the fight scenes to hide the lack of choreography.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:28 a.m. CST

    I'm excited!

    by lost.rules

    Everything we've seen so far is something you wouldn't expect.We don't want the same old same old. Plus, I trust Nolan. For those who don't I suggest you watch The Prestige.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins is like a Mamet film, which is good...

    by lost.rules

    but I hope this one is a bit more emotional. Like Spiderman 2, except not as much. If that makes sense.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    So....this is like, a reverse Vader thing?

    by zillabeast

    Fascinating....

  • May 29, 2007, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Go to the link below for actual joker pic!

    by johnson796

    At comingsoon.net they have an actual picture of the Joker, but I guess it's more of a reflection and his hair is somewhat "frizzed" or something, but I really like it. Heres the link http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=20673

  • May 29, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Raindrops keep falling on Bruce's head? (lost.rules)

    by George Newman

    Alfred hasn't been making mortgage payments and has to sell house? <p>Bruce loses his pizza delivery job? <p>And Rachel Dawes dumps him/leaves the film to act in a Queen Latifah movie? <p>It is hard being Batman. <p> :)

  • May 29, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    You are, aren't you?

  • May 29, 2007, 1:44 a.m. CST

    At the end of the day, all anvolved are top-shelf!

    by GQtaste

    Simply put, Bale is the best you can hope for. Chris is a master craftsman. It's almost too good for the people. As watered down as movies are. It's a rarity that we get to see a grand project. I'm going out on an edge here but I'll say this will blow peoples hair back! e.g. Jordan out on the court playing during his peak! Words can't come to mind about this project. This is what film is supposed to be when it's done right! I haven't been this excited about a picture since Bagger Vance. Now, of course I was let down w/ that one. Being a die hard Redford fan and having been one of the few books I had read before the film. But I get the feeling about this one justthesame. Man am I fucked up on soma's right now and attempting to type is a bitch to say the least.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    That mask looks like Walter Matthau

    by CherryValance

    I dunno. I'm still not a fan of the panda bear look for the Joker but the hair looks decent in the other pic. I think he's the shooter in this one too. There's a greenness above his head that could be hair.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 2 is the greatest comic book movie ever!

    by lost.rules

    . Batman Begins....second place. And we all know that second place is just another expression for loser. However, Batman could whoop Spidey's whiny ass! And Superman's stalker ass. And Wolverine's pissed off ass. And...well, pretty much everybody. Except Human Fly. He Rocks!

  • May 29, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Motoko's disbelief is directed to GQ's Bagger Vance com

    by George Newman

    heh. I don't want to dig at your excitement for a movie treatment of a book you liked, it's just that the thought of The Legend of Bagger Vance is hilarious.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Whoa!

    by lost.rules

    Didn't see that second image before. SWEET! God, I wish there was IMAX theater nearby.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:06 a.m. CST

    They should go with the top one

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    The mask one. Make that the Joker. It's a bold move. Maybe under the mask, it could be Ving Rhames or something. I like Ving Rhames. He was great in Striptease.<p>Also, that comment above about Batman Begins being like a David Mamet film - that was joke, right?

  • May 29, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST

    I love watching films at the IMAX

    by Boondock Devil

    I do have to drive an extra 40 minutes and the popcorn sucks but it makes any movie playing seem just a little better. A little surprised that Transformers isn't going to be released on IMAX screens at all (or are they? Haven't really heard either way). I will be putting my arse in a seat with a horrible bag of popcorn for The Dark Knight.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Good to see...

    by Veni Vidi Vici

    the green hair. also looks like his lip makeup goes up to his ears.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Hope that this doesn't become the Joker origin movie

    by Boondock Devil

    Unless they take it right out of Alan Moore's the Killing Joke.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Some Joker just said Spideman 2 is the greatest

    by cameron1975willi

    ...comicbook movie ever. Are you high?! The first Superman is No 1 and anybody who knows anything would agree.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Superman 1 is too campy to be the best

    by TallBoy66

    Unintentionally / Intentionally, either way Supes 1 gets rather hokey. Spidey 2 has jokes, sure, but its not intentionally bad. I agree. Spidey 2 is the best, (even if its vibe is very similar to Superman 2, it still has less cheese to it), everyone else is varying degrees of close second.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Superman 1? Fft. You're high.

    by kintar0

    It's Superman 2 that's the greatest of all time, the benchmark, THE bar.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Superman IS the best comic book movie ever

    by Boondock Devil

    I really liked Spidey 2 a lot but there's no way I can say it's better than the foundation of all comic book movies, Donner's Superman. As for the camp factor, it's going to be there. It's hard for any movie where your main character throws on tights to fight crime not to be a little campy. Even so, all you have to do is read the source material, which is your silver age Superman comic books and the movie, if anything, toned down the campiness from the comics. Spidey 2 might be a top 5 comic book film but it hasn't dethroned Superman.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Superman flies around the world and reverses time!

    by lost.rules

    . That's why it'll never be the best. That and Lois Lane is annoying. In fact all the superheroes love interests are annoying. Let's face it. There just aren't many good comic book adaptations out there. i think Spidey 2 is the best, but it could surely be outdone. Hopefully Nolan can pull it off. And Yes Batman Begins is like a Mamet film. All the characters speak in monotone, and the actors dispaly very little emotion. Which is not a bad thing, but Mamet is an accuired taste. Spartan Rules! As does House of Games!

  • May 29, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Umm...isn't this a bit big?

    by ROBRAM89

    Why is nobody reacting very strongly to the first confirmed full shot of Heath in full Jokerdom?

  • May 29, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Joker is the greatest comic book villian....

    by lost.rules

    of all time. As is Batman the greatest hero. Superman isn't even a man! And Batman didn't have to be bitten by a radioactive spider to become cool. He's just a man. That's what so fucking cool about him. I really hope this movie kicks ass!

  • May 29, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    out on a limb: I like Batman Returns more than Begins

    by TallBoy66

    Don't throw all your tomatoes at me at once, its really a matter of inches here. But, damn, Returns may not be the most faithful adaptation ever made, but its So. Fucked. Up. All of the actors are pretty top notch (DeVito is basically a horrific monster Phiefer is just alternately insane / sexy / and heartbreaking) And I'm not even a huge fan of Burton's original Batman, but I love the 2nd one. (though, for the record, my favourite Bats movie is "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" and my love of "Returns" was really spurned on by Moriarty's passionate defense of it in his 90s List posted about 500 years ago). Anyway, I'll go hide now.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Margot Kidder's Lois Lane > Dunst's Mary Jane

    by Boondock Devil

    Parker should have gone after the much hotter Betty Brandt aka Elizabeth Banks in the movie. Or even the beanpole gal living next door... atleast she makes cookies.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Whoops, I meant "set off" not "spurned on"

    by TallBoy66

    Y'see, that just doesn't make sense.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Batman Returns should've been called Catwoman!

    by lost.rules

    And from that perspective, it is a good movie Tallboy66. Don't hide. It's alright to like Batman Returns. Now if you had said Batman and Robin....God help you!

  • May 29, 2007, 3 a.m. CST

    Burton's movies got the villians right, but what about

    by lost.rules

    Batman!??? He's basically a good guy who is boring and dull. You dropped the ball, Tim.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    George Newman, hey like I said, I don't read that many

    by GQtaste

    books. So after reading it and being forever a Redford fan I thought it was a can't miss. unbeknownced to me Robert totally f'ed up w/ sentalmentality and went overboard. I think it would have been better if he stayed w/ his initital thoughts and actally played the part himself and had Morgan Freeman play Bagger. Should have gone another direction. But this wasn't the first time somebody f'ed a sure thing.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    It aint disbelief...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    it's just plain oddness.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    I bet this film will be huge.

    by LoneGun

    I love that Christopher Nolan treats the Batman property with such respect and reverence. And he is definitely inspired. Shooting entire scenes of THE DARK KNIGHT in IMAX is bold and exciting. I have a good feeling this is going to be a fantastic film, a gift to Batman fans.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Best comic book movie:

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    A tie between CATWOMAN and ELEKTRA<p>Just kidding :P

  • May 29, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    First teaser/trailer can't come soon enough

    by Boondock Devil

    It would be brillaint if they shot a Harvey Dent for D.A. advertisement that gets spliced up by the Joker. Make it as creepy as possible and I will fall in love with this movie.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    I also prefer Batman Returns

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Batman Begins has its moments (the rescue at Arkham Asylum being the highlight for me), but I much prefer Batman Returns. People often slate it for its daftness, but Burton knew it was a mistake to take the Batman world too seriously. Burton made a fantasy film (also, a fantastic freakshow of oddballs and misfits), whereas Nolan justs beats you over the head with exposition.<p>Plus, it has penguins that shoot rockets from their backs!

  • May 29, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    the mouth has TEETH in it, for christ sake!!

    by BadMrWonka

    oops...wrong talkback?

  • May 29, 2007, 3:18 a.m. CST

    IMAX rules!

    by Zardoz

    I've said it before...there is nothing like seeing a movie in IMAX! And it seems that WB gets that more than any other studio. They've released more films in IMAX than any others. (Sony is a close second, as long as it's a Spidey film) Maybe these scenes will be in 3D IMAX, too? (I hope, I hope, I hope!)

  • May 29, 2007, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Returns does have a lot going for it

    by Boondock Devil

    Pheifer's Catwoman was a HUGE plus for the movie. So hot. DeVito's Penguin was a psychotic, circus freakshow runnin' pervert. How cool is that? Plus, any Batman movie where they can make the Penguin seem like a threat is saying a lot. I loved the look of Gotham in winter. Bay's Leatherface was Chris Walken's son in the movie. And my personal favorite... Batman blew up a clown in the beginning of the movie. Very nice.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Gief IMAX

    by Kragmose

    To all theatres of this world

  • May 29, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Right or not

    by Evil Hobbit

    Danny DeVito was one hell of a fantastic pinguin!! Returns is a great film and much better then the first Batman movie.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Messi

    by lost.rules

    Sounds like a word Jar-Jar Binks would use. Anyway, The villians in Burton's films were pretty good. But he totally ignored Batman! Nolan, got it right. His movie entirely focuses on the Bats. But to those naysayers who are worried about the Joker, let me just say this. SCARECROW! Nolan, and Cillian Murphy, nailed the Scarecrow. I mean they nalied it! He's over the top at times, but at the right times. I'm sorry, but I think you guys can stop worrying about the Joker. Nolan and Ledger are going to pull it off. Trust me. Nolan actually cares about the Joker. Just read the USA Today article. One of the reasons he is doing IMAX is to give the Joker a big entrance. As he does deserve. And they gave Heath The Killing Joke as a reference for what they wanted for The Joker. Perfect. Just Perfect. All of us should be really hyped for this film. i know I am.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Begins > Returns > Batman = Forever > Robin

    by ROBRAM89

    Well, not quite equal, but too close to call. What? I liked Forever.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Messi, did you ever read this?

    by BadMrWonka

    from the punisher TB's a while back...don't think you saw it...<p> Messi, Have You Even Seen Children Of Men, Or... by Buzz Maverik May 18th, 2007 06:03:58 PM ...Saving Private Ryan, or read the Punisher? And if you have, how much did you really comprehend? These are ridiculous connections. CHILDREN OF MEN was dystopian drama, it was todays headlines taken to the worst case scenario. SAVING PRIVATE RYAN was about the horrors of a war that has been nostalgized, progandized and glossed over for more than half a century. THE PUNISHER is a comic book full of revenge and power fantasies. It is for boys who wish they were men. There's nothing wrong with that. We all need that sometimes, but you're not talking about something truly dark and powerful, you're talking about a version of something dark and powerful for kids. THE PUNISHER was created in the 70s to capitalize on the success of such films as DEATH WISH and DIRTY HARRY. There's also elements of the DESTROYER and EXECUTIONER novel series in there. For comic books, it's very realistic and gritty. For movies...it's nothing special. That's why the movies bomb. Dig it, Stallone's COBRA sucked and a PUNISHER movie would be lucky to be as "realistic" as COBRA. I like violent movies. I think violence is necessary in some movies. Like Tarantino has said, I have no more problem with violence in movies than I do with dance numbers in movies (except for SPIDER-MAN 3). But at best, the PUNISHER isn't going to ever be more than an adolescent fantasy. That's okay. They make good movies, but not fine films. You want a realistic vigilante movie? TAXI DRIVER. The guy was nuts, a bigger menace than everybody he killed, a threat to society and no fun at all. Brilliant film. Put a skull on Travis' chest, let him outwit even one person and you'd have a straight to DVD Segal flick. Comic book gritty equals stupid on celluloid. People thought SIN CITY was a "dark, grim, gritty comic that brought realism...blah..blah...blah.." It was done the only way it could work. Currently, as written by Ennis, the book specializes in black humor. It works and black humor would work onscreen but if you make it three dimensional, it's automatically going to start being stylized and bigger than life. And no, panel for panel recreations aren't what I'd do. Hell, I was sick of the recreations by 300 and hope that any other Frank Miller movie is made without them. But I will say that there hasn't been a PUNISHER movie yet that matched either SIN CITY or 300, which you brought up. I think a better analogy for a PUNISHER movie would be...POCAHANTAS. Yep, the Disney cartoon. The filmmakers had to seriously consider why they were animating the story. There wasn't any magic or talking animals or much that lent itself to animation. Then, they did the waterfall dive sequence. Somehow, the dive became something that no real human could survive. Bigger than life. Like Marv's encounter with police cars in SIN CITY. Forget a CHILDREN OF MEN or SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. Won't happen. The thing to do is to avoid it being COBRA, or Steven Segal's MARKED FOR DEADLY TERRITORY or Van Damme's DOUBLE TWIN IMPACT. Or Dolph Lundgren's PUNISHER or even the last PUNISHER. This material needs a hook, needs visual power, needs a reason to exist or it's not going to be any good on its' own merits. It's neither realistic or fanciful by itself. Finally, since you keep bringing it up, I have to tell you, man, it's no big deal to me that I'm not echoing your opinion or a group consensus. When a guy's balls drop, he starts thinking for himself.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    just to clarify

    by BadMrWonka

    I just remembered seeing this, after the TB was pretty much dead, and thinking of Messi. I'm certainly not trying to make a point about anything.<p>although that TB DID have a great point I made about one scene in Man on Fire being a Punisher scene.<p>and I'm done.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Begins is better with multiple viewings, Returns....

    by lost.rules

    Not so much. Oh, well. One more year for this flick, anyway.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Supes 1 & IMAX

    by metaluna

    Yep. Gotta agree. Superman 1 is THE best superhero movie (as is most of Supes 2, at least the bit Donner directed). After watching every recent effort, I've come to the conclusion that nobody'll top it. It has everything, great drama, humour, romance in the right measure and feels right. Spiderman... gimme a break! As for Nolan shooting in IMAX, suddenly, this movie has gotten a whole lot more interesting. Now that's my kinda hi definition! Kudos Mr Nolan. You've come a long way from shooting in black and white 16mm!

  • May 29, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    They all suck, only to varying degrees

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Here's my list of Batman films that didn't suck:

  • May 29, 2007, 3:57 a.m. CST

    I think

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    posts should be limited to 10-or-so lines. Those 70 lines/6000 words posts suck. Hard.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Returns is Too Claustrophobic

    by Playhouse

    To be considered the best. Town Square feels like it's on the set of an AV Club- produced high school news set. Begins was the first movie to really open up the world, which was a definite bonus. I have to say that I really didn't like Returns when I first saw it. It's since grown on me, despite the serious mis-characterizations of all involved and the overdependence on Christopher Walken. Begins is such a different film from the Burton/Schumacher series that it's really hard to compare them but I'd put Begins at the top, followed by Batman (though there were character problems in this also and too much focus on Nicholson as Nicholson...errr...the Joker), Batman Returns a really, really close third, and of course Forever (ugh, Goldsman, lay off scripts, you hack) and B&R.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST

    I agree Playhouse

    by Orionsangels

    Tim Burton had too much control in the sequel. the danny elfman music with its boys choir singing la la la la la! It was creepy clowns and deformed people. fake looking sets. it was a nightmare before batman.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:02 a.m. CST

    The Incredibles

    by Boondock Devil

    That movie might be the closest perfect comic book movie the more I think about it.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    It didn't work that way for me, lost.rules

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    With Batman Returns, I enjoy watching the whole film. It may have a few flaws, but it's consistent and knows what it wants to be. Plus, I think Batman works better in the kind of stylised, hyper-real world Burton created.<p>With Begins, whenever I've had the chance to see it again, I always skip past the first hour or so. All those scenes explaining where things come from... gak. I just don't want to see it. Credit me with a little imagination - I don't need to see Bruce Wayne test-driving the Batmobile or hand-crafting his ninja star thingies. I can fill in the blanks for myself.<p>That said, I'm looking forward to The Dark Knight quite a bit. My hope is they can forget all the exposition for the sequel and just get on with telling a good story. Also, I like the way they're going with The Joker. I've been wanting to see the character I remember from the comics - that crazy, sick bastard who beat Robin to death with a crowbar. There was a certain amount of fun in watching Nicholson camp it up, but he was never The Joker to me. Nolan seems like the kind of guy who would do something much darker and more menacing.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:04 a.m. CST

    OMG It's Cesar Romero's Joker!

    by Orionsangels

    http://tinyurl.com/22hbhh

  • May 29, 2007, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Playhouse

    by BadMrWonka

    I don't know the comics well enough to speak about the characterizations you mentioned...but in terms of the sets and the "world" of the film, I totally agree abotu Returns...<p>it felt like they were spending money left and right on every other thing, and the one thing that kept getting pared down more and more was the set for Town Square. and Burton wanted to be able to pan around and track wherever he wanted on the bridge, in the sewers, etc. but the tOWN SQUARE SCENES were pretty straight forward, so cut em up!<p>ended up looking fine for my eyes as a kid, but now as a film school graduate, I watch it and cringe...

  • May 29, 2007, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Goldsman Wrote Forever!???

    by lost.rules

    Ugh! Yet, another reason to hate that son of a bitch! I hate you, fucker. Oh, and these pictures kick ass. Michael Bay=worst director. Goldsman=worst screenwriter!

  • May 29, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi - I don't agree

    by Boondock Devil

    First off I thought the Scarecrow was perfect. I don't think the design was horrible especially compared to the Green Goblin. Also have to keep in mind that he was also just the hired hand and not the main villain. Ra's Al Ghul was. As for goons wearing masks during a bank robbery... doesn't that happen in real life? Masked bank robberies have been going on since the Old West from what I remembered.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Burton is doing Sweeny Todd.

    by lost.rules

    I'm worried about that. The Greatest Musical Ever Made, and Burton is directing it. Worried. Very Worried!:( Sondheim Rules!

  • May 29, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Freaky masks.

    by wowsah156

    Those masks look like something out of a horror movie. This is going to be a really disturbing Batman movie!! I cant wait!!

  • May 29, 2007, 4:15 a.m. CST

    What? No Bob the goon???

    by Boondock Devil

    I'm just worried that the Joker won't have his right-hand man, Bob the goon, in the Dark Knight. Sigh. All I remember is that he might be the worst action figure ever that I got for Christmas. Bob the goon. Sigh.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:16 a.m. CST

    The Worst Pies In London

    by lost.rules

    Maybe, Batman will get his throat slit and get stuffed into a meat pie in Burton's version of Sweeny Todd. God, he better not fuck that film up. As much as i love Ed Wood, I will never forgive him if he screws up Sweeny Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:21 a.m. CST

    What a waste!

    by Colonel Activity

    Such good taste! (A Little Priest)

  • May 29, 2007, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Reasons why I believe Begins holds the top spot:

    by FilmZ0mbie

    Christian.... fucking... Bale for starters. Burton gets some credit for the first flick... the intro to that movie with the criminals up on the roof is fucking great. But whoever was above me that said it was Nightmare Before Batman was dead on... it was just way too much. I dunno, being a huge Batman nerd, I really digged the attempt at realism that Nolan went for with Begins. Least of all because it's a good counter to the WAY over stylized last three attempts. He's obviously really trying to make these as immersive for the audience as possible not just with the IMAX scenes, but how he treats the mythos of the character and the villians. Mix that in with an awesome supporting cast, a well paced origin story, I don't see how anybody could think Returns was better than Begins, bold attempt or not.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    C├ęsar Romero is back

    by CuervoJones

    hahaha

  • May 29, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi, about the scarecrow:

    by Mike_D

    He didnt even really become the psychotic "scarecrow" until the end when he was on the horse. These movies are about character development, god forbid we see a realistic approach to a comic book movie. I, for one, would have hated to see hay coming from his sleeves and carrying a sickle the first time we see him.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Franklin T Marmoset...

    by FilmZ0mbie

    I can see where you're coming from, and on repeat viewings the origin may get a little rigorous. But I remember the first time I watched the thing... dear god... I ate that crap up like it was White Castle. I also don't think you have very much to worry about in regards to getting your hopes up for TDK... I mean for Christ's sakes... the name of the movie alone gives me a geekgasm. It's been pretty heavily reported that this isn't going to be half joker origin movie half batman movie, it's going to leave it pretty ambiuous pre-deformity.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:34 a.m. CST

    "Priest. Have a litte priest."

    by lost.rules

    "Is it really good?" "Sir, it's too good at least. Then again, they don't commit sins of the flesh. So, it's very fresh." DON'T FUCK THIS UP TIM BURTON! OR I WILL MAKE YOU EAT YOUR PARENTS!

  • May 29, 2007, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Cesar Romero was gay...

    by BadMrWonka

    Ledger played a gay cowboy...comic books are gay...I see a trend here...I think Ledger will be great!

  • May 29, 2007, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Returns is the best

    by batdanno

    But we're all equal, with our erogenous zones blown sky high. There were some pretty stupid parts and batman was one-dimensional, but it's clearly the most fun of the series as well as being gruesome and overtly sexual. (+2) Plus Christopher Walken is present. (+1) I wanted to like Batman Begins but they spent too much time in the snow talking about boring shit and too little time in Gotham flying around the shadows. And how hard to please was that Rachel Dawes chick!? First he's not good enough because he's not fighting crime, then he's too batmanny for her tastes? You can't win with this chick! Cantrast that with Catwoman pretty much getting all S&M on that ass at the drop of a napalm. There's also a fundamental problem with "Begins" trying to explain every detail of something that's implausible to start with. </rant>

  • May 29, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST

    God some of you people are stupid (not all tho)

    by thekrit

    That first pic is obviously a pre Joker mask most likely to cover the guys face in a robbery.. jeez wake up!.. anyway this is so not interesting.. Anyway I don't normaly post here.. except when folk are being ijits!

  • May 29, 2007, 5:10 a.m. CST

    I foresee a problem

    by emeraldboy

    Imax images on non imax screens. I cant see how that will work but I like what i am seeing so far.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:12 a.m. CST

    TDK reminds me of tapes

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Takes me back to my teenage years. C-60 and C-90 and whatnot. Are they still in business?<p>Anyway, each to their own, FilmZ0mbie. I am excited about TDK, though (not the tapes this time). I like the casting of Ledger, mostly because he's not the comic type. You know they didn't give him the role because they're expecting him to camp it up and do a bunch of loony mugging (ala Jack Nicholson and Jim Carrey). Hopefully, they've cast him because he's capable of being scary crazy rather than silly crazy.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Messi

    by BadMrWonka

    pardon?<p>if you ever called me a bad name, I've more than forgotten it. (I drink a lot)<p>why do you ask?<p>I came to your defense recently AND copied and pasted a response to a post you'd made that I thought you hadn't seen.<p>but...if you hate any of the following we might have exchanged words:<p>Studio60<br>The West Wing<br>Aaron Sorkin<br>The Coen Brothers<br>David Sedaris<br><br>self-promotion<br>David Fincher<br>Steven Soderburgh<br>Sushi<br>Liberalism<br>Ocean's 12<br>girls finishing BJ's with a handjob instead of swallowing<br>Diet Coke<br>snooze alarms<br>Red Hot Chili Peppers<br>Equal Rights<br>tongue kissing<br>sparefilms.com<br>collecting shells from the beach<p>are we good?

  • May 29, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    What, no Adam West love?

    by henrydalton

    The '66 Batman movie is the best film of all time, period! :D Apart from that gem, I still love the Burton Batmans - they're my fave comic book films. So there.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:18 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi

    by BadMrWonka

    I totally dig it there is no rason to use punctution unless of course you want people t least people on this site to follow what you're saying but still I dig your style and who care if no one understands what you're saying you're probably too much of a genius anyway to conform to the rules of society as they relate to punctuation so rock on rockstar actually I'm being sarcastic you ass

  • May 29, 2007, 5:22 a.m. CST

    nolan is doing us good

    by sHapesHiftinLizard

    he's putting everythoing into giving us the best Joker experience he can. This is going to rock and roll unlike any other super movie. As for Batman returns, i loved it when i saw it on the big screen at age 17, ive been a batman comic book nut since i was a baby so it was a real kick seeing batman fighting Catwoman up on the rooftops but nowadays i dont watch it so much , Begins trumps all, i never liked the hyper reality of the 90's movies, i always wanted them more real world like the Superman, not all movie sets. Oh yeah, emeraldboy, as to IMAX on the small screen the USA article the pictures link to tells you the IMAX image will lokk somethig like Hi-def tv on a regular theatre screen, itsa all good. I saw BEgins in the IMAX in Glasgow and thought it looked the wrong screen ratio and murky, exactly what the USAtoday article says can happen when a regular film is stratched for an IMAX screen. Nolan is doin us good.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi

    by BadMrWonka

    I apologyze u r actually a genius I wuz dum 2 think ur intellekt kud be contayned bi the normul rulez of writin u r awsum!

  • May 29, 2007, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Am I the only one who doesn't like IMAX?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Probably. It's just too damn big for me, though. Gives me a headache.<p>Also, is Christopher Nolan just little bit over-rated? Memento is one of my favourite films, but it seems like he's never going to do anything that great again. Insomnia? Ordinary. Batman Begins? Decent if unspectacular. The Prestige? Not bad, until it went all wrong at the end. I don't mean to slate the guy - he's never made anything shit, which is an impressive acheivement - but is he as great as people reckon?

  • May 29, 2007, 5:41 a.m. CST

    He don't look happy...

    by Pagliacci

    He's been using Brand Xxxxxxx....

  • May 29, 2007, 5:44 a.m. CST

    I agree with you 100%, phoenixmagi

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    It's a flaw of the film, I think. They spend all that time taking the Batman world very, very seriously - and then the twirly mustached villain turns up with his high-tech doomsday device (and possibly to tie the hero's best girl to some train tracks). Ordinarily, I don't mind silliness, but I found the switch of tone a bit jarring in Begins.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Franklin T Marmoset

    by Boondock Devil

    Wearing those 3-D goggles for too long will make my brain throb like crazy. As for Nolan, I think he's a very good director who's on the cusp of being a great director. I'm hoping that The Dark Knight might be that movie that puts him over the top.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Batman Begin's "realism"

    by Boondock Devil

    The only problem I have with people harping on the realism that Nolan used for Begins is the fact that I never saw this movie as being realistic at all. You're dealing in a movie where he trained with a secret order of ninjas more or less... it's safe to say you can throw realism out the window from there on out. I really enjoyed the film for what it was... an origin movie that didn't come off as boring as most origin movies do.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    And stop with the "Spiderman 2" is the best...

    by Pagliacci

    nonsense. The Spiderman franchise is good I guess, if you like cartoon action and horrible, horrible cringe-inducing acting. Batman ('89) is the best comic book movie by the way, with Begins a close second. No others are worth mentioning after that.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Cusp is a good word

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I know what you mean. Maybe it's because I love Memento so much, but everything he's done since has been a bit of a disappointment. Each new Nolan film I watch leaves me with that 'close... but no cigar' feeling.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST

    "Spiderman 2" is the best...

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Sorry, couldn't resist.<p>Also, it is the best comic book film.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:57 a.m. CST

    I hope they spend an hour and a half

    by Davis of Texas

    showing him dying his suit purple in his garage, and dying and trimming his hair, and shopping for lipstick, and applying lipstick, and arguing with his girlfriend, and laboriously mixing laughing gas. It's the winning formula, baby!

  • May 29, 2007, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Fuck you boondock

    by playahatersball

    How dare you suggest that secret ninja organzations don't train in the himalayas. I have to go curl up in a ball now.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:02 a.m. CST

    I kid

    by playahatersball

    I kid

  • May 29, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    My favorite villian of all time is...

    by RichieRayOwnsYou

    Phoenixmagi. He just comes out of nowhere and slaughters the English language. Very impressive and quite frightening.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    playahatersball

    by Boondock Devil

    So sorry, but it's true. Everybody knows that secret ninja organzations really train in the Alps. With robot monkeys.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    BATMAN BEGINS

    by THE KNIGHT

    Definitely the best Superhero movie of them all.... Superman has some iconic moments but there's just something about the world Nolan and Co. created that's truly satisfying.... <p> Pictures look great and shooting in 70mm IMAX must be insanely expensive....

  • May 29, 2007, 6:19 a.m. CST

    DAMN YOU...

    by playahatersball

    for shattering my precious worldview. I'm going to go eat a pint of ice cream.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Good stuff as always....

    by connor187

    Seriously do not think I can wait a year for this.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Batman > Returns > Begins > Forever = Robin

    by Stollentroll

    my list rules.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST

    ALSO...

    by connor187

    As I think I have stated in the past. That crazy cunt Joker actualy looks fucked up behind the mask. They all wear the masks to hide their identity and to strike fear into their victims. Apparently the bank manager isnt playing ball until The Joker takes his mask off. Then he sings like a little bird.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST

    A Joke Comes This Way

    by kenichi tanaka

    I hope Joker looks better than that piece of crap image that's been floating everywhere up to about a week ago ...

  • May 29, 2007, 6:31 a.m. CST

    They went with the Romero look?!?

    by leavittj1982

    They actually chose the Romero look?

  • May 29, 2007, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Poor old Batman & Robin

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Batman Returns has the odd nutbag like me who's prepared to stick up for it in the face of overwhelming love for Batman Begins. Some people like Tim Burton's first Batventure, some like Batman Forever, and I even saw someone raise his thumb for the old Adam West film earlier in this very talkback.<p>Not Batman & Robin, though. EVERYONE hates that fucker. Even Hitler has his apologists, but not Batman & Robin. How does it feel, Batman & Robin? People hate you more than Hitler!

  • May 29, 2007, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Boondock Devil and 'Realism' in Batman Begins

    by Sundaycall1

    I get where you're coming from. There very little in concept about Batman Begins that relates to 'Realism' because realism by definition is the portrayal of things as they are in real life. Which simply isn't really the case with BB. However there's a difference between 'realism' and being 'realistic' i.e. an awareness of how things are in real life. I think what people admire about Nolan's Batman universe is that the film makers made a conscious effort make the fantasical elements of the Batman mythology more realistic and plausible rather than reaching for legitmate realism. It's a bit wordy but I'll try and explain what I mean, the Batmobile - a giant black tank with turbo boosters and missiles attached driving around the streets and rooftops of Gotham is about a far removed from what happens in real life as you'd get. However what earns the movie applause in the realistic sense is that Nolan and co. approached this part of Batman's world and said "Right, it's fantastical, but let's say this thing actually existed, where did it come from?" Everything from the vehicle's history, design and artilery were given careful thought and attention to detailto help create a sense that in this world there is a logic and sense that 'this might be possible'. Compare this with other incarnations of the car, with grappling hooks, neon light, bat wings and a button for everything and you can appreciate the steps that were taken to make the Batmobile more acceptable to the more cynical audiences of today. It's these valiant attempts to create a consistent set of rules and justification for these elements to follow in Batman's universe as well as the general straight-laced (non tongue-in-cheek) style of filming and storytelling Nolan adopts that people have championed. Batman Begins earned great plaudits for it's efforts to be 'more realistic' rather than 'grounded in realism' which it clearly isn't. That's why I love it.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Interesting conversation going on here...

    by Ribbons

    ...I think I'll throw my hat it with the folks who like 'Begins' better than 'Batman Returns.' They're both good films, and while there is some juicy characterization in 'Returns,' 'Begins' is a little more comprehensive. Also, as fanciful and art deco and German expressionist as Burton's Gotham City is, 'Begins' was the first time I ever really seemed as if Gotham was another character in and of itself, which helps to explain how and why the identity of Batman came into existence in the first place. Burton and Nolan are wildly different filmmakers, so it's almost hard to compare the two, but 'Begins' basically feels like the more complete story, as well as being an entertaining film on its own merits.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    The Joker

    by MrDuke118

    This film is going to be sweet in my personal opinion.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    The Joker Pictures

    by Ribbons

    Nothing terribly exciting as we've had several glimpses (official or otherwise) of Ledger as Joker already, but they do look nice, at the very least.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:41 a.m. CST

    This Joker...

    by Colonel Activity

    I hope he's really off his rocker. Like, he fucks cats and agrees with George Bush's foreign policy...ZING!

  • May 29, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Fuck

    by MrDuke118

    The only thing is that we have another YEAR to wait. Thats a lot of time to fuck something up you know

  • May 29, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Thoughts

    by leavittj1982

    Batman Returns, in my mind, is as much a Batman movie as our attempty at Godzilla was really a Godzilla movie. Differences between the real Batman and Keaton's Batman: Keaton's Bruce Wayne really is a playboy; Bale's is just pretending. Keaton's Batman has no moral hangups about taking lots and lots and lots of human lives; Bale's refuses to kill even those guilty of murder. Keaton's Batman can't turn his head to the side; Bale's can. Keaton's Batman's Batmobile is sexy; Bale's Batman's Batmobile is pure testosterone. Moreover, Time Burton turned a glorified mob boss with a penchant for tuxedos into a sewage-eating freak. Likewise, he turned an athletic cat-burglar into a superhuman. Tim Burton's Batman was Batman in name only.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Patrick Swayze

    by MrDuke118

    Whoever said the Swayze idea up there, ill put my money behind it. He IS coming back. Hes ever so good looking and rich and reminds you of a time when films were simple. Where he and Keanu Reeves could chase each other for days and live forever. Hes coming children

  • May 29, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST

    first feature film to be partly shot in the IMAX format

    by m r p i n k

    is that really true? IMAX=70mm right? Multiple films so far have been filmed in 70mm (2001 just as an example - which looks beautiful in 70mm...). Is there any qualitative difference to the so called IMAX format?

  • May 29, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    If DC comics started over theBatman series from scratch

    by leavittj1982

    Would ANY Robin appear in it? Would Robin be a girl? (I think that would've worked.) Would Robin get a better suit? (Same here.)

  • May 29, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    mrpink

    by BadMrWonka

    the difference is that this film won't be a masturbatory jerkfest...

  • May 29, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    You make a fair point, Sundaycall1

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    But, honestly, is the origin of the Batmobile what makes Batman an interesting character? I agree that a less outlandish car was good choice, but did the story benefit from the scene where Bruce Wayne visits the showroom and takes it for a spin?<p>For me, they were on a hiding to nothing when they tried to 'be more realistic' simply because Batman is an inherently unrealistic character. It is, ultimately, a man fighting crime dressed in a rubber bat costume.<p>The big flaw of Begins for me is that it is so horribly unimaginative - and that it denies any imagination in its audience. That attention to detail you mentioned may be great in the 'making of' book, but it didn't do anything for me in the story they were telling.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    YES, YOU HAVE!!!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I will be submitting your name to Christopher Nolan for consideration as a villain in his third Batman film. Hopefully, it will be called Batman: TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!!!<p>Not enough films have swears in the title.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Spidey 2 is the best

    by mr teaspoon

    Just had to concur

  • May 29, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Saved that Joker pic and zoomed in on it in Photoshop -

    by beanspan

    That's not a mask - that's his face. If you look closely you can even see the shape of much of his hairline and the smile is identical to the viral shot. Also, he has the darkened eyes. I'm pretty much sold on the look... I just hope that he has the charisma that this part so desperately needs. Nolan hit a home run with Begins imho.. I imagine that if Ledger was his ideal Joker, there was a reason for that.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Dolph Lundren's Punisher > Tom Jane's Punisher

    by mrtwig48

    Carla Gugino's Karen Sisco > Jennifer Lopez's Karen Sisco...................................David Palmer's presidency > Wayne Palmer's presidency......................................Veronica Mars > The Pussycat Dolls

  • May 29, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Bitch bitch bitch

    by Surround Sound

    The purple jacket is great and brings back the comic Joker - we can't have him deviate too much or the fanboys will bitch. Can't have him look too authentic or the fanboys will bitch. Can't have his hair too green or the fanboys will bitch. Etc...etc...

  • May 29, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Nice, they did go with the Romero look

    by Ricky Henderson

    Bear in mind that it's probably just his bank robber disguise (green wig, white makeup and purple suit) before he gets horrifically scarred and turns into the real joker. Is anyone thinking that Anthony Hall's Batman imposter character is the one that scars Ledger and turns him into the Joker? I am... It sets up the revenge motive perfectly.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    About the BAT CYCLE...

    by connor187

    An insider over on Batmanonfilm has said that the Bat Cycle is indeed in the movie and it emerges out of the Tumbler. A bit like the Car chase in Returns I think. Interesting?

  • May 29, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Does the mask get burned onto his face?

    by Lone Fox

    Now there's an idea.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Actually, screw that idea

    by Lone Fox

    That viral image is badass though

  • May 29, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    I thought the little boy with the red shirt was Robin.

    by lost.rules

    Ya know. The one that Batman saves and gives his night goggles to. Isn't that a young Robin?

  • May 29, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Prestige 2: More Conveluted, More Obvious Twists!

    by Spandau Belly

    They could get the writers of the Pirates of the Caribean sequels to really take the franchise in a bloated formless direction.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Franklin t Marmoset

    by Sundaycall1

    Ok, I understand your point, does taking the time to justify and explore the reasoning and origin behind the new look Batmobile actually further the story? Well I could agree that what is essentially a very kenetic exposition scene does not further the 'plot' of the film but I would have to say that in terms of fleshing out Batman's 'origin story' (which is essentially what BB is)i.e. showing in detail where the more famous tools and devices came from (the cave, batmobile, suit and grappling hook) I think effectively adds more layours to the character's roots and enriches Bruce Wayne's development from victim orphan to crime fighter. You could argue that going to such lengths robs the audience of their opportunity to imagine how it all happened (like Geoge Lucas letting everyone imagine how Darth Vader became Darth Vader) but in truth, we've had four movies that barely touched on the character's origin and quite frankly, for me, it made the Batman/Bruce Wayne character in the earlier films a bit "all style no substance", the character was a bit shallow, even vacant. He was just this image with no identifible motivation or even plausibility and that left me a little cold. It made the villains more interesting than Batman himself and like I said, it's this effort to flesh out and explore Bruce Wayne that puts BB over the others for me cuz it's really the kind of approach the franchise needed. It meant that when we finally get to the point where Batman has dirty cops hanging upside down 100ft above the pavement puttin the fear of god into them, it means so much more. We've seen how he got there, why he's doing what he's doin and just how this transformation came about and it gives the character weight, and power. Whereas in TB's original when Keaton holds the mugger over the ledge, yeah it's cool, but it's also a bit blank and meaningless. Batman Begins could never be called a shallow or vacant picture. That's it's strength.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka & more

    by m r p i n k

    now is that supposed to be bad or good? I was just refering to the technical process... Just stating that the process is not as new as the article may make you believe... (The first film in 70mm was aparently "The Big Fisherman" back in 1959.) Though there seems to be a technical diffenrence between eg. Super Panavision 70 and the IMAX 70mm process, the experience is nothing new to audiences. I personally think it looks fantastic... But having never seen am IMAX 70mm (despite the documentaries), a question for all of you who have: I wonder, are these feature IMAX presentations screened on the massively curved screen like the docs?

  • May 29, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    YES, BURTON'S FILMS RULE!

    by lost.rules

    Mars Attacks will own your ass!!!!! I just got off the phone with Johnny Depp, and he wants to play The Joker. He sees The Joker as a Drunken idiot with a cockney accent that likes to wear make up. But surely, The Dark Knight will never be as good as Transformers will be. "You shoot. I drive." "BRING IT!!!" No. Nolan could never make a movie that is that good. Christ, you people are idiots.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    If want quality adaptations I only have two words for u

    by lost.rules

    MICHAEL BAY! Greatest...filmaker...ever!

  • May 29, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Lost.rules

    by Papa Smurf

    It was only rumoured thst he would become Robin, it would be cool tho. Oh n the kids irish, thought id throw that in...

  • May 29, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    I agree with you there, Sundaycall1

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    If Begins got anything right, it was Bruce Wayne's character (that they bothered to have one, and that they did it so well). Not as perfect as the hardcore comic fans might have liked, but I thought that aspect of the film was great. I like Christian Bale, too. Good casting. I watched Harsh Times at the weekend - he's really damn good in it. I recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    "Irish" Robin. Eh?

    by lost.rules

    Cool. He could be Batman's drunken sidekick. "Holy Rusted Metal, Batman!" "What? You really need to stop drinking."

  • May 29, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    The worst thing they could do is bring in Robin

    by Ricky Henderson

    Batman doesn't need a goddamned child sidekick. He's fucking Batman, remember?

  • May 29, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Drunk Robin

    by Papa Smurf

    Could take ofense to the Irish Robin but ill just laugh and repress it with drink...

  • May 29, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Holy questionable sexuality batman

    by Ricky Henderson

    Yeah that's the ticket, bring in the whole "ward" subplot by adding robin. Then have John Waters direct the whole thing. It's box office gold Jerry!

  • May 29, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Begins

    by metaluna

    ...bored me rigid! Absolutely tedious unnecessary backstory toss. Cut to the chase this time, PLEASE! It's not an art film, it's a guy in a cape beating up other bad guys cause he had a boo hoo childhood and now owns most of Gotham. Makes me wonder why we're meant to have sympathy with some rich kid in a cape. Bats never did add up as a story.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Irish

    by MrDuke118

    Ah its great to be Irish tho

  • May 29, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Irish

    by Papa Smurf

    Yes it is

  • May 29, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Franklin T Marmoset

    by Ribbons

    To be honest, I don't see what the big deal is. Almost every superhero film, even the non-"realistic" ones, feature some sort of exposition where the character discovers their powers/ designs their costume/ invents doo-dads. Even 'Superman: The Movie,' which is a relatively campy superhero film by comparison, has a montage of Clark Kent testing the limits of his abilities. Bruce Wayne doesn't have superpowers, so finding the motivation and resources to become Batman seems like the logical equivalent. I don't think it wasn't even necessarily that Goyer and Nolan felt you needed to see where he got his ears from, or whatever, but the story they wanted to tell necessitated an origin story, and if you're going to do an origin story, then you have to go all out and decompress, which in turn necessitates a more realistic approach (which becomes an aesthetic). We can take some things for granted, like the utility belt that he has or that homing signal for bats on the bottom of his little booties, but I don't think taking a minute and a half or so out of the movie to explain where the gigantic tank came from is too much trouble.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I'm drunk right now.

    by lost.rules

    And I'm just a desendent. Good ol Whiskey. Oh, And Fuck the English!

  • May 29, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Tommy Lee Jones

    by Lord Megorious

    Tommy Lee Jones was basically Cesar Romero in Batman Forever.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I'd be interested in how Nolan would approach Robin.

    by rbatty024

    Although I doubt it will happen (for the better, it's a character that should only exist in the comic). Instead of coming from a circus maybe he can be a part of a balet. Robin can piroet around the bad guys. Anyone...anyone? Anyway, Dr. Gonzo he's not the "fucking Batman," he's the "goddamn Batman", remember?

  • May 29, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    lost.rules

    by Papa Smurf

    Hahahaha!!! I hear thst saying so many times espicially wen Ireland play England in sport... the Irish want blood.... to bad we suck at most things but Rugby.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    By the way...

    by Ribbons

    ...I agree with whoever the TalkBacker is above who said Warner Bros. should make some sort of video ad (be it a commercial, or a teaser, or a YouTube clip, or etc.) of a(n obviously fake) paid endorsement for Harvey Dent that eventually morphs into a message from the Joker. Similar to the "I Believe In Harvey Dent" ad campaign they ran on the Internet a couple of weeks ago, only in video form, I suppose. It might attract an audience or it might not; I just think it's too cool of an idea to pass up.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Fair enough, Ribbons

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    This definitely seems to be taste thing. Some like all the explaining, some don't. I agree it's part of his origin, but they stretched it a little too far for me. It's not just the car, it's every other aspect of explaining Batman - the mask, the ears, finding the suit, painting the suit, handcrafting his throwy bat things, testing the cape, all that stuff. Too much, just like with the constant reiteration of the fear theme. Too heavy-handed for me. I think they said fear in Batman Begins more times than Tony Montana said fuck in Scarface.<p>Oh dear, I've done that thing where you start out saying you like something (Batman Returns) and you veer off into slating something else. I actually like Batman Begins - it's one of the better recent comic films - but I think it's very flawed and I didn't dig as much as some of the other talkbackers. Mind you, I am a constant defender of Fantastic Four, so maybe you might want to take what I say with a pinch of salt...

  • May 29, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Joker looks like Doink The Clown in that second picture

    by Jabbu

    Is it Matt Borne, Steve Lombardi or Steve Keirn behind the paint?

  • May 29, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Fuck IMAX.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Fuck it up its stupid ass.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    I disagree rbatty024

    by Ricky Henderson

    Nolan's tring way too hard to make all these caracters grounded in reality. A scarecrow in a business suit? Rais Al Ghul with a tiny little goatee? What's next, Mr. Freeze walking around in a refrigerator with holes cut out for his arms and legs? Nolan would fuck up Robin (who is already and easy enough character to fuck up). Also, is wasn't Dr. Gonzo who said that it was me goddamnit. I'm the goddamned Batman (nice Frank Miller reference).

  • May 29, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    No! FUCK UWE BOLL

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I had to say it, so noone will forget.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I'm a little disappointed us Batman types can't even knock a discussion about Rosie O'Fuckingdonnell off the number two spot in the talkback ratings. I don't expect to beat a Transformers thread, but we ought to be able to do better than this. I am so ashamed.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Yeah the Rosie O'Donner TB is wholly unnecessary

    by Ricky Henderson

    I haven't dared to look--who are the numbskulls posting over there anyway?

  • May 29, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Oh we'll get to #2, Franklin; we'll get to #2

    by Ribbons

    All we need is a little bit of persistence and a couple of well-timed lunch breaks.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    the one screaming damning mistake of Nolan's

    by pipergates

    is having us wait all this time when he should have started filming this thing a year ago! the bastard.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I like your idea Ribbons...

    by just pillow talk

    It would work for me!<p>Franklin T Marmoset - I agree, what the hell with the Rosie thread????? I do realize there's some really fucked up people in there discussing the merits of soldiers in Iraq, but c'mon, this is waaay more important than that pig leaving early. But I have to disagree with you on BB, but not because you like FF. I think.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    P.S.

    by Ribbons

    A quick peek at the Rosie O'Donnell article reveals that the reason it has so many posts was because (surprise, surprise) it sparked a political debate between a handful of conservative and liberal TalkBackers.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    hey Rickey....

    by just pillow talk

    How bout dem Mets!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Rosie O'Donnel is The Penguin!

    by lost.rules

    Perfect casting again, Nolan.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    I missed TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    by just pillow talk

    too bad that wasn't him who posted above. sigh...

  • May 29, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    ANYBODY SEEN RICHIE?!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I keep coming back until someone REMEMBERS seeing Richie!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Rosie O'Donnel eats Penguins

    by just pillow talk

    run Penguins, run!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Oh, my. That fabulous "realism"!

    by Stalin vs Predator

    I'll take Burton beautiful gothic nightmares over Nolan's dirty ugliness. That does seem to fit with his target audience, however, as I believe that's the "hip" thing with 15 year old boys these days: "ooh, it's dark, grim and gritty! It's great!"

  • May 29, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    It's crazy, I tells ya!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Anyone would think a real war where actual people are dying is more important than me prattling on about a film based on a comic about a man who fights crime dressed as a giant bat!<p>Crazy!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    The Joker is a republican!

    by lost.rules

    I dunno... just trying to get more posts on this TB. Joker says, "We can't cut and run. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!"

  • May 29, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Where did that second Pic come from?

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    I don't see it on the usatoday website.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    ESPECIALLY when arguing over

    by just pillow talk

    Burton's meh gothic nightmares over Nolan's beautiful gritty realistic take... :-) That one's for you Stalin vs Predator!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Rosie O'Donyal > Cristen Dunst

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    anybody with me?

  • May 29, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Actually the Joker is gonna be...

    by Borgnine JR

    ...a big purple cloud. With an angry face.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    The Joker is Rosie O'Donnell...

    by just pillow talk

    and is somehow connected to the Rosie TB. Strange.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Bruce Wayne is a Republican!!!

    by lost.rules

    He's rich, and he says he doesn't like paying taxes. Bruce says, "I wouldn't have to be Batman if people would just get off welfare. Get a job you lazy ass criminals."

  • May 29, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    What the hell is up with Motoko Kusanagi?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Reading his posts is like reading the messages sent by Ed Harris when he was way, way down in the abyss. Just before he met the aliens.<p>Are you starved of oxygen, Mr Kusanagi?

  • May 29, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    sorry Motoko Kusanagi...

    by just pillow talk

    As much as Kirsten Dunst annoys the hell out of me, I cannot join the darkside with you and Rosie. Kathy Bates, now you're talking!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    By the way, if the doofus with the lousy mask in pic #1

    by Stalin vs Predator

    actually was a "realistic vision" of the Joker, then Nolan's bootlickers would have been screaming already about how great it is. "I love it!", "Love the realism of this take on the Joker", "Wonderful! It's new!", "A great novel interpretation!", "Yes! It's something new, finally!", "OMG NICHOLSON WUZ TEH SUX AND NOLAN OWNS!!!!!", "10 out of 10!", "It's so dark, grim and gritty!"

  • May 29, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    So, here's a close up Mr J - getting used to it

    by mothandrust

    I enlarged the pic and tried to sharpen it http://tinyurl.com/2qlho8

  • May 29, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST

    HEY total fucking destruction

    by quantize

    you're totally fucking boring.. even your caps lock hates you.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Stalin...

    by just pillow talk

    I'm thinking you probably shouldn't watch Dark Knight when it comes out.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    "it's the hip thing with 15-year-old boys these days"

    by Ribbons

    I guess this is supposed to be an insult, but it's kind of dumb since we both know it doesn't make any sense. Fans of 'Batman Begins' are not all 15-year-old boys, and I apparently missed the memo that all 15-year-old boys were into "realism" (they're (largely) the ones who allow crap like '2 Fast 2 Furious' to be made if I'm not mistaken). You gave it a good college try though, Stalin vs. Predator.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Realism!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    yeah, I hate it too. Maybe Batman can go around stalking Rachel Dawes, and...I dunno....maybe a dance number. That would totally rock!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Where is

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    my oxygen? <p>Just kidding. You made me crack up real hard, Mr. Franklin T Marmoset. Thank you for making my day. :)<p>Now, back to the Abyss...

  • May 29, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    quantize

    by just pillow talk

    That's not the original TFD. This imposter added periods in his TB name. Every TB needs a little TFD loving...

  • May 29, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    tim burtons Batman films...

    by pipergates

    Was a couple of entertaining but silly films for adolescents, and right it wasnt really Batman, it took way too many liberties. BB was for real. Tim Burton makes just about all his movies into the same juvenile gothic fantasy. He had to give even Willy Wonka his touch of childish creepiness. I guess his style will be apropiate for Sweeney Todd, and with those actors it just got to come out funny. I just wish Nolan could make his Gotham City a bit more Burtonesque. Not in that cartoony way, but he did all that filming in England and hardly used any older buildings or spires or gargoyles. I'm very happy with his gritty realistic style but he could tweak the otherwordly element a bit.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Now Schumacer got the comic aspect right.

    by lost.rules

    He didn't go for any of that crappy "realism". God, I wish he was directing this movie.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    It seems like Tim Burton fell out of favour

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I blame that bloody awful Planet Of The Apes remake. Also, he is beating a dead horse with the goth melarkey a bit. But, back in the 92, it was still cool, and I liked the way he added his goth carnival freakshow stylings to the Batman world. Also, people forget that he resurrected the comic book film genre. Would we have the likes of Fantastic Four (or substitute a comic book film that you actually liked here) without Burton's original film?

  • May 29, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    t.piper.gates.

    by just pillow talk

    While I prefer BB, I can totally see why people really enjoyed the first two Batman movies. I enjoyed them, just not nearly as much as BB. I'm very anxious to see what Nolan does with the sequel and how he portrays the Joker. Many really liked Nicholson's Joker, but for me, he just wasn't menacing or evil enough. I'm hoping Nolan gets that part right.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    lost.rules - you're joking, right?

    by just pillow talk

    Please tell me you're joking. Please.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    HAHAHA hahahahahaha!

    by lost.rules

    Defeated your argument. You're an Asshole, Stalin.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    there was a Planet of the Apes remake?

    by just pillow talk

    Hmm...didn't know that. Monkeys always get blamed for something.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    c'mon people!

    by just pillow talk

    We can overtake the vast girth of Rosie!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Yeah, there was a remake.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    And it was plain awful.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Burton's list of accompishments:

    by lost.rules

    Ruined Planet of the Apes. Ruined Willy Wonka. And will probably ruin Sweeny Todd. Thank you, Dickface.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    I dont think Burtons lost it

    by Papa Smurf

    I for one loved Big Fish thought it was fantastic. It really uses the imagniation as a weapon. Something I feel more films should do...

  • May 29, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    how does someone get such a ragged smile?

    by zom-bot.com

    scissors, sharp knife or exacto are out- they would cut too clean, and the scar would be thin. if they base the joker's origin's off of any of the comic origins, he first has a score to settle with mobsters. so, let's suppose his face got fucked up that way....maybe he got 'curbied'on something really nasty? maybe a handsaw was put in his mouth and then yanked sideways? maybe a cut followed by a chemical bath...i doubt they will go with the mouth being the fault of batman...or they shouldn't.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Can someone please ban this jerk?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    He's annoying.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    I like the realism aspect...

    by zb.brox

    ...because it makes it easier to believe these are real people, and thus give a damn about them. I mean, I liked the original Batman a lot, bur it was hard to give two shits about whether he was gonna get iced or not. Keaton did a remarkable job with what he had, but Batman as portrayed in those movies really was kind of a shell of a character. And that can work, some heroes don't need any real depth of personality, but Batman's tough to stylize while maintaining identifyability because his whole schtick is kinda to become as inhuman as possible. I like the Burton movies a lot, but I do prefer BB.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Nolan is such a Tease

    by pipergates

    He's shoving us the Joker without letting us see him. Clever bastard. JustPillowTalk, there's things i enjoyed in Burton's bat too, and Nicholson was a pleasure to watch. But you have to kind of take it as an elseworld version, cause he just deviates too much. and Keaton was such a small wimp.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Burton's remakes are his weakest films, but

    by rbatty024

    Big Fish was one of the best movies of the year it came out. Sweeny Todd should be interesting. At any rate it's the only musical I'm interested in seeing.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Indeed Pillow!

    by Ricky Henderson

    How about dem Mets? Undisputed kings of NY, that's the word 'round the playground...

  • May 29, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    O'Donnell *did* infiltrate the...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Rosie's gone TB... her name was Col. Activity.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT...

    by connor187

    Kind of a world we live in, when an Irish desendent with an opinion gets all my press!....This talkback needs an enama! Fuck you Lost.rules!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Oooh, this is looking rather excellent.

    by dekionplexis

    Me excited!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    you could run a city on the energy of bat-expectation

    by pipergates

    just look at all the batfrenzy on the web.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Willy Wonka was alright

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    As Denis Leary might say, I've got two words for you:<p>Trained Fucking Squirrels!<p>It was worth it just for that, although I admit the Willy Wonka childhood trauma bits were garbage.<p>Also, fuck off, GABRIEL GRAY SAYS. That is not an honourable way to push up the stats.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Has anyone seen this pic here?

    by Lost in Uranus

    http://tinyurl.com/2yako9 First time I seen it, so Im just asking. I showed it to my sis, she didnt know who it was and just said: "Ugh!...He looks scary" I think Nolan is on the right track here people. Looking fwd to June 08.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Number two!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    It makes a bored Batman fan proud to see Rosie knocked off her perch.<p>But... what next? Can Batman topple the mighty Transformers? Man dressed as bat Vs Robot disguised as car?

  • May 29, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    I liked Charlie and the Chocolate Factory--

    by zb.brox

    --but, then, I always hated Willy Wonka as a child, so, whatever. Loved the books, though.

  • May 29, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    connor187

    by Papa Smurf

    Whats wrong with the Irish?

  • May 29, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Hey, "gabriel gray says", can you please

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    SHUT THE FUCK UP

  • May 29, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    GQtaste,Batman takes soma's too

    by liljuniorbrown

    He and Daredevil get together every weekend and trade rx scripts. As far as throwing my thoughts into the whole "best comic film ever" ring I have to say if you think Batman 89 is the best ever your a fucking tool or someone who really ,really likes musicals. That shit was so weak, I mean I loved it at first ( I was like 10 years old) but all that dancing around to a lame ass Prince soundtrack? Wow! I'm a die hard Superman fan,but I admit 1,3,and 4 blew hard. Maybe 1 not near as much as 3 and 4 but 1 has it flaws (Otis,and my favorite Can you read my mind?) as much as any other film. Ok, I take it back Superman and Superman 2 are great movies. I also think that with the cast and soundtrack that Batman Forever had the writer and director should have there balls removed. Given a removal of the neon,henchmen,and bad dialouge Batman Forever could have been a contender.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Ah, fuck, I'm going home

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Cheers to the fellow Batman talkbackers.<p>No cheers to GABRIEL GRAY SAYS. Way to ruin it for everyone, asshole.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    hugs and kisses to GABRIEL GRAY SAYS

    by just pillow talk

    You rule buddy. Fuck'n tool.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Yeah that prick ruined it completely.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Numbnuts.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Nothing wrong with the Irish..

    by connor187

    I was just having a laugh, I have Irish desendents too hence the name Connor. But Iam English and very much proud of that fact....GABRIEL GRAY seems to be that enema this talkback needs, ha!

  • May 29, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Drink your body liquid?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I have to think about that.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    or doesn't need?

    by connor187

    Anyway about Batman......?

  • May 29, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    This Gabriel Gray guy is kind of a wanker, no?

    by Ricky Henderson

    This is not the socially acceptable way of making it to the top of the TBs... Moron.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    PIRATES 3 = SPIDEY 3

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Both are big letdowns.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Rosie O'Donnell > Gabriel Gray Says

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    anybody with me?

  • May 29, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    the joker is in the front you idiots

    by jrc3735

    The first pic with him wearing the mask and the business suit, the Joker is the one who is in focus, not the guy in the back holding the gun. You people act as though you haven't seen the many set pics of heath wearing that suit and mask at that bank shooting that scene. dolts

  • May 29, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    man I take 3 days off to go camping...

    by Bloo

    and see what happens? Rosie is in #2 postion? That's just wrong, sick and wrong<P>oh Batman...Franklin first of all gott aagree with you, Batman and Robin is the most hated thing in existence of History, forget Hitler, forget Judas iscariot (he got his own gospel) Batman and Robin is the the most wretched piece of history.<P>as for TDK, everything I see about it is making me more and more curious as to this movie. I didn't see Begins in the theatres because, well frankly I didn't trust WB,I wasn't sure what we'd end up with but I didn't trust them. When I finally saw it on DVD i was very impressed, maybe because I went in with such low expectations, maybe it was because I was disappointed initally with the fact that Darren Afronksy(sp?) wasn't doing it after all, but I came away impressed.<P>Interesting side note, I had rememreed reading Year One when I was a kid at a local library, so I sought it out and found it and reread it again, still holds up but was surprised to find it in our Children's Section at the Library, almost as if someone said "oh it's a comic it goes here" not reliezing what it contained, which makes me giggle.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by just pillow talk

    I agree. You are getting enough oxygen now.... =)

  • May 29, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Willy Wonka

    by pipergates

    Burton's version had many fine moments in my opinion, in some ways one of Burtons better films. I loved the casting. Specially the kids. and yes the squirrels was worth the ticket. But it was somehow in the end kind of boring. Not enough adventure. Too much creepy daddy, i love Saruman but why was he in that movie? In the end Gene Wilders version is a more satisfying yarn. Maybe Johnny Depp was just too disturbingly Michael Jackson. Of course nothing comes close to the brilliant book. Roald Dahl makes me nationalistically proud.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Joker looks like Cesar Romero

    by GobBluth06

    Even though the pic is small and blurry, Joker kind of looks like the Cesar Romero Joker. Kind of cool!

  • May 29, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    "I LAUGHED AND LAUGHED!"

    by Ribbons

    Ermm... okay.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    jrc3735

    by Ribbons

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure that most of us had figured that out. The "out of focus" Joker is in the second picture. That said, most of us HAVEN'T seen leaked set photos from 'The Dark Knight.' It's still over a year away from release; I'm not going to vigilantly patrol batman-on-film.com on a daily basis just so that I can catch a few new snapshots of a police car every other week.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Doom pictures--

    by zb.brox

    I gotta say--blegh. I don't like that at *all*. Looks like a halloween costume, not a suit of armor.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Heath as the Joker dialogue in Brokeback Batman:

    by ScottE

    "I wish I knew how to quit you, Batman."

  • May 29, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    supercowbell 2

    by Ribbons

    That's kind of an awful attitude for someone who uses this website enough to have a username. So you're saying every popular movie must be good, or at least, must be considered good by the weirdos and misfits (of which I proudly consider myself a member) who populate this site? Maybe the only emperor is the emperor of ice cream and the only "good" movie is the one that makes money, but if I accepted that philosophy I'd be at BoxOfficeMojo and not here. <br> <br> For what it's worth, though, both Moriarty and Grande Rojo enjoyed 'Dead Man's Chest.'

  • May 29, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    sorry

    by m r p i n k

    for thinking this was a place for searious discussion...

  • May 29, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by jrc3735

    Fair point that you don't want to check. I thought the pics were posted here. Just so you know though, the pics are Ledger in that suit with that mask, robbing the back with his goons (the guy out of focus). There is also a pic with him without his mask.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    supercowbell 2

    by Ribbons

    Good point. I did kind of unfairly extrapolate your argument. I didn't really mean to; I started out asking a rhetorical question and then veered off on some weird tango-rant. I personally don't think a movie making a ton of money is a sign of quality either (recent examples of movies that most people probably don't even like but that did gangbusters are 'The Matrix Reloaded' and 'The Phantom Menace'), but I can see how there's a difference between 'Norbit' making $90 million or whatever and 'Dead Man's Chest' making over $400 million.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Owns 2007

    by Papa Smurf

    These pics cement the fact that the film will own 2007!!!!!! And there not even exciting!!!!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    mr pink's imax question

    by the projectionist

    Imax is horizontal 70mm (the film runs horizontally), Panavision's 70mm is vertical pull down (film travels vertically), like Vistavision vs. regular 35mm.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY

    by feckdrinkarse

    I'M GOING TO MASTURBATE ON YO FACE WHILST RAPING YOUR MOTHER U FAT S-LUT!!

  • May 29, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Isn't IMAX 65mm?

    by Prague23

    Ran across that factoid during an interview with Mark Osborne, director of the short entitled 'MORE', on a DVD shorts collection. Someone asked him about the 'IMAX quality 70mm film he used' to film it and he said 'IMAX is it's own brand and uses a special 65mm film which is projected on special IMAX projectors' and, although similar in quality, isn't the same. Anyone able to confirm/deny that? Just curious.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    GABRIEL GAY RETURNS!!!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    AND WITH CAPS LOCK!!!!!!!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    The thing about IMAX

    by lost.rules

    If it's not filmed with IMAX cameras it'll look crappy on a IMAX screen. Kudos to Nolan for doing what he's doing.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    I went and saw The Matrix, and Raiders on IMAX

    by lost.rules

    It was alright, but they had to stretch the image to fit, and it looked a bit off. Not the best way to watch a movie. Somewhat enjoyable.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I AM NOT IGNORANT!!!!

    by lost.rules

    I MAY BE A SLUT, BUT NOT IGNORANT! LIKE, Y'A KNOW. TOTALLY!

  • May 29, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I see you have upped the stakes, Mr. Gray

    by feckdrinkarse

    Well done, sir, but two can play at that game!! I WILL TEAR YOUR MOTHER'S ANUS APART WITH MY MASSIVE DONG! AND THEN I'LL JAM MY FOREARM INTO HER STARSHAPED FARTRING AND TOTALLY FUCKING DESTROY IT ! I SHAN'T BE KIND TO HER !

  • May 29, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Marry Me Gabriel Gray

    by DannyOcean01

    I am the Black Widow, I could use some practice....

  • May 29, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    What if Gabriel Gay was really Heath Ledger annoying us

    by lost.rules

    on his shooting breaks? That would be hilarious. You win this round, JOKER!!!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!

    by ludmir88

    HIS HAIR IS GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!AND HE LOOKS CREEPY YEAH!!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Man

    by zb.brox

    How sad do you have to be to get a power trip by inflicting your unwanted presence on others?

  • May 29, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    What if Gabriel Gay is really Rosie O'Donnel?

    by lost.rules

    SHE IS LEGRND! SHE IS LEGRND!

  • May 29, 2007, noon CST

    70mm is 65mm

    by the projectionist

    camera negative is 65mm, but for projection, 2.5mm of area is added to the sides for the soundtrack information.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    To the person...

    by Carnotaur3

    who said he did not like the look of Gotham... that it was supposed to be a city of decay. Nolan wasn't trying to go for a city that looked like it was decaying... he was using people in the city to show it was decaying. The city is just like any other major city in the united states. Chicago's full of crime, but it doesn't look like fucking Gotham, does it?

  • May 29, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    erm... admin anyone?

    by metaluna

    Do they exist on here or are they like Dr Doom i.e. a non existent cloud?

  • May 29, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    metaluna

    by Papa Smurf

    I think u mean Galactus

  • May 29, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    The guy in the bottom picture...

    by Pawprint

    Looks like Caeser Romero.... and that's NOT good.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    THE ADMIN IS A FAT TALENTLESS SLUT!!!

    by feckdrinkarse

    HE OBVIOUSLY IS IN AWE OF THE MIGHTY GABRIEL GRAY!!!1111

  • May 29, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    GAY IS BANNED!!!!!!!!!! GAY IS BANNED!!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AGAIN......

  • May 29, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    See, if you just push the caps lock button, and

    by lost.rules

    find a nice length of rope....... well, y'a know the rest.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I really don't know...

    by zb.brox

    ...why you think I would watch something you linked me to. You're not sufficiently interesting to pique my curiosity.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GAY, IF YOU WANT SEE HIM GETTING

    by lost.rules

    GANG BANGED BY FORTY MEN TYPEhttp://www.xtube.com/watchafaggetbuttfucked

  • May 29, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    post IP adddresses with user names

    by torontoxic

    I don't know why that isn't done already? <P> Anyway, That second pic is a tease! <P> The other one is cool. If you look at the shooting footage you'll know which is the Joker. This is why I as asking before about the clown theme pre-change to the Joker. No Red Hood? Clown mask and mannerisms existed before the chemical vat?

  • May 29, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    GG, CAN I CALL YOU "GG" ?

    by feckdrinkarse

    GABRIEL G(R)AY, I SHALL MAKE YOU SKULLFUCK YOUR OWN MOTHER. THAT'S RIGHT, I WENT THERE, YOU GOBSHITE!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    supermarch--

    by zb.brox

    Probably trying to simplify things for the general audience. Of course, it's also possible (given the second picture) he's going around wearing a clown mask AFTER the chemical bath, perhaps as a play on the old "take off your mask and you're wearing another mask underneath" kind of trick. He takes off his mask, and his real face is still fuckin' scary.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    ALL the Burton Batman flicks sucked.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Batman kills more people than the Joker. The sets are ridiculous. The Joker is just Nicholson playing himself again. Keaton is NOT Bruce Wayne, ever. Batman wearing fake muscles? Penguin spitting up black goo? Catwoman gets amazing skills from falling in kitty litter? GIANT FUCKING PENGUINS WITH MISSILES STRAPPED TO THEM? Two-Face is Joker-redux, while Riddler is Mad Hatter plus Joker. And on and on... Burton's Batman films were HIS world, not Batman's, and they sucked major ass. Batman 89 sucked in 1989 when I saw the premiere, and it sucks WORSE today because it's so dated and trite. If you base your Batman lore on Burton's version, you're about two steps from basing it on the 60s TV Show.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    KAUFMAN IS DEAD! KAUFMAN IS DEAD!

    by lost.rules

    AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO! AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO!

  • May 29, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    carnotaur3 re Gotham

    by pipergates

    I really like BB, for the most part. The realism, the grittyness and all. Some people copmplain of too much realism, not me. I just think that Nolan could have been a bit more imaginative with his backgrounds and atmospheres. He could make Gotham a touch more gothic, like in the comics, where its sometimes like a cross of New York and Prague. And he did copy a rundown asian city for part of the movie so it wasnt only the people being rundown. It seems to me just to make Gotham like Chicago is a bit pedestrian.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    LOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE!

    by lost.rules

    I CAN COPY AND PASTE.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    CAREFUL NOW!!!

    by feckdrinkarse

    SO YOU'RE ENGLISH, CUNTO ?! HOW ELSE COULD YOU GET THAT REFERENCE??? YOU FUCKING SHAM!! I'M GOING TO RIP OFF YOUR HEAD AND DEFECATE IN THE HOLE !!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    LOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE!

    by lost.rules

    LOOK ATLOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE! ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE! LOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE! LOOK AT MELOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE! ! I CAN COPY AND PASTE! LOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE! LOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE!

  • May 29, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Gabriel Gray

    by DannyOcean01

    You make my male quim twitch...Continue with your self-abasement...

  • May 29, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVAsPXHrVwc

    by lost.rules

    BEHOLD WHAT THO ART GABRIEL GAY!

  • May 29, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    FATHER TED FUCKING RULES!!!111 YOU CORPULENT BITCH!!!

    by feckdrinkarse

    I WILL CUT YOU!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Here's a Joker animation I'd like to share

    by Toxic Frog

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT9kPQPb1g8

  • May 29, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    cowbell--

    by zb.brox

    Nope.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    IT FIGURES THAT YOU'RE ENGLISH.

    by lost.rules

    EVERYONE HATES THE BRITS! FUCKING TWATS! IRELAND FOREVER!

  • May 29, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    lost.rules--

    by zb.brox

    I'm gonna pretend you didn't say that, 'cause you're just arguing with the troll and all....

  • May 29, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    This talkback is killing my soul...

    by cornponious

    ...killing my soul...softly.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    So the idiot above

    by Papa Smurf

    is Irish or English... only ay hed rfernce Fr Ted!!!! Now FUCK OFF

  • May 29, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Hey Zero

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Batman killed in the early Batman comics. * Man, are you calling Anton Furst's brilliant art design ridiculous? That statement alone undermines your credibility. * Yes, Nicholson parodied himself as Joker, but that's why they hired him. Jack IS the Joker. And don't you think Liam Neeson just played himself again as Henri Ducard in Begins? * If Keaton is not Bruce Wayne/Batman, then why is he right up there in popularity with Bale? Why is Bale doing an acting impersonation of Keaton with the low-key style? Keaton had an enigmatic spark of insanity behind his sober portrayal, it was there in his eyes and his eyebrows. There was something behind it. With Bale, there is nothing. He's a good actor, but his Bruce Wayne was a blank and uninteresting, like almost everything in Batman Begins. Plus, the 1989 Batman suit was based on Keaton's facial features. Keaton disappeared behind that suit and became Batman. With Bale, he was acting behind the mask, I could even pick up his faint Welsh accent. * As for the fake muscles, yes, they should have cast either Arnold or Sly as Batman in the traditional spandex tights, what were they thinking? * Penguin, Catwoman (who was an athlete and took judo lessons cause she had no life), and the missile penguins fit in with Return's carnival gang atmosphere. Yes it did. * Batman has had a dozen or so different worlds since his inception in the 40's, and they are all relevant. Is the dark avenger of the early 40's no less relevant than the happy go lucky super-hero of the 50's and 60's or Miller's Dark Knight? Burton's vision is just as relevant, and the comics even took elements from the film. And Burton was the first comic book movie to to truly use comic book elements in a comic book movie/Tv adaption. His 1989 film had elements of the Englehart/Rogers, Bob Kane, and Miller stories, to name a few. And I don't see how you could compare Burton's vision with the 60's TV show, which was also a relevant version of Batman, and largely responsible for the character's mass popularity.

  • May 29, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY!

    by feckdrinkarse

    I MAY BE A SLUT. BUT I'M NOT IGNORANT AND TALENTLESS YOU NAPPY HEADED HO!!!! I HOPE YOUR CHILDREN GET AIDS, YOU FECKING HOMO!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    mr pink

    by lsrdsc

    IMAX is 70mm, but it is shot horizonally, so the frame is larger than regular 70mm.. so this is the first film with scenes shot in IMAX.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    YES, BAN GABRIEL GRAY

    by feckdrinkarse

    IRONICALLY, HE IS A FAT, IGNORANT, TALENTLESS LUT!!!111

  • May 29, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by torontoxic

    No there is video footage of Heath Ledger looking very unchanged and putting the mask on before entering the bank. There's also footage of two of his goons sliding across a cable from a rooftop to another and jumping around acting like clowns.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    BAN GABRIEL GRAY

    by mrsinister7381

    Fo' real.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Supermarch--

    by zb.brox

    Huh. Well, then, like I said, I guess they're just simplifying for the audience. Trying to explain why a guy who gets a chemical dip suddenly starts acting like a clown. Though, I suppose that would add to the idea that the skin and whatnot is definitely makeup, as it seems pretty unlikely a guy who goes around dressed like a clown would just happen to get a chemical bath that made him look like a clown...

  • May 29, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    two of the Creepshow III stories were shot in Imax...

    by jbristow

    so much for Nolan's "first"...Batman Returns is the best movie ever made...I hope to God they bring Ra's back in this one, or at least work in Talia, or allude to him. The League of Shadows infiltrated Gotham at all levels, there's no way a crashing subway was the end of Ra's.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    "WANK" ? YOU ARE ENGLISH, YOU IMPOSTER!!

    by feckdrinkarse

    FUCK YOU UP YOUR STUPID ASS!! YOU SILLY MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKING CUMBUCKET!

  • May 29, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Why does he have this

    by zb.brox

    wanking obsession? It's just weird.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    I Can't take it anymore. Ban him. Please. Somebody be a narc. I can't be a narc, it's against my pricipals.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    NO WAY AM I WEARING A FRICKIN WIRE, MAN!

    by feckdrinkarse

    DO YOU HAVE A HAT WITH A CAMERA IN IT ? I'LL DO THAT.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    DIE ASSHOLE!!!!!!!

    by lost.rules

    DIE!!!!!!!!!

  • May 29, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Let's hope Nolan has the good sense to not kill Joker

    by Magical Jew Eyes

    That was the one area where Raimi really fucked up with Spider-Man. Okay, Green Goblin had to die to set up the Harry's revenge storyline. But killing Doc Ock and Venom was just lame. You can't make the bad guys truly be Spidey's worst foes if they kick the bucket an hour after their introduction. If Nolan lets the villains live he can have them all team up to beat Batman in the third or fourth movie. Since the characterization is out of the way, he can cut right to the action and give us a superhero epic for the ages.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    SUICIDE IS AN OPTION!

    by lost.rules

    DO THE RESEARCH!

  • May 29, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I AGREE!! AT LEAST CONSIDER IT, FUCKTARD!!!

    by feckdrinkarse

    DRAW YOURSELF A BATH AND PUT ON SOME LEONARD COHEN MUSIC AND HAVE A SHAVE. I GUARANTEE IT WILL ENTER YOUR MIND!

  • May 29, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    ARE YOU HAVING AN ORGASIM?

    by lost.rules

    IS THIS HOW YOU GET OFF? PATHETIC!

  • May 29, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    It must be liberating...

    by zb.brox

    ...for this poor guy to act like this online. For whatever reason, he feels the urge to annoy the piss out of people. And if he did so in real life, he'd get well and truly fucked up by those around him. So, really, this is probably a productive outlet.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    i just saw a video of you Gabriel Gay, Damn dude.

    by lost.rules

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U1lmOsscYs

  • May 29, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I CALL FOR AN IP BAN !

    by feckdrinkarse

    IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

  • May 29, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Do you need a hug Gabriel?

    by just pillow talk

    Come here little guy...

  • May 29, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Gabriel Gray--

    by zb.brox

    See, but you're not actually wanking in my face. So what is saying that you are supposed to accomplish?

  • May 29, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U1lmOsscYs

    by lost.rules

    AND I LAUGHED AND LAUGHED! YOU SHUT IN LOSER GABRIEL GAY!

  • May 29, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Question Quint: what does this mean

    by talkbackgeek

    What does this Imax thing means, to those of us seeing it in regular theatres? and for Imax viewers, will they be seeing the rest of the movie in 35mm after paying Imax prices?

  • May 29, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    This is ME talking about BATMAN and GABRIEL GRAY

    by Brians Life

    So far everything I've seen from this movie I've liked. I trust Nolan as he definitely respects the source material while putting a more real-world spin on it. There is no more appropriate hero than Batman to put that type of spin on. As odd as it sounds, seeing the green hair on the Joker made me like the idea of "the Chelsea Smile" alot more...I watched Pan's Labyrinth the other night and there's a scene where someone gets their cheek cut at the mouthline and it made me very excited (yes, BONER excited...well, there's no coming back from that.) to see Joker fully realized in this manner. Gabriel Gray...get cancer. Seriously dude, what are you 14?!? If you ARE, just wait 10 years and you'll realize how STUPID what you're doing is...until than..the cancer thing.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Spidey 2???

    by SMARTASS8

    I don't understand why so many people always cite Spider-man 2 as the best superhero movie ever? I loved Spidey 1, but was really disappointed in the second 2 movies. Spider-man 2 had many problems imho: 1)Doc Ock's man-tits;he doesn't need spandex, but give him a shirt! 2)The scene with the girl next door and the piece of cake belonged on the DVD as a deleted scene;it offered nothing and felt out of place! 3)The cringe inducing elevated train scene;first we get a maskless Parker making faces like he's giving birth to a hippo, then we get the world's worst extras(Raimi must fill his movies with friends and family since all 3 Spidey movies had awful and distracting extras)prop Spidey over there heads in the worst Christ pose since Superman Returns. 4)Parker not doing anything for the guy who is being mugged in the alleyway(this is Quesada's Spidey, not Stan Lee's). 5)The awful Singing In the Rain number that ends with Parker winking at the camera. 6)Doc Ock killing off the doctors and nurses in such a grim fashion;it didn't fit with the rest of the movie(especially the girl scraping her fingernails off on the floor while screaming to her death) Raimi hasn't been able to mesh humor, horror, and drama together naturally since Evil Dead 2. While Spidey 2 wasn't the mess that Ghost Rider, Elektra, or Blade 3 was, it was far from perfect. People complain about Superman 1 + 2 not holding up. Both movies had consistant tones throughout their entire running time, and felt like comics being made back then. If people can still read old comics with enjoyment, then why can't they do the same for the movies. Superman 1 + 2 also are rare in that they kept almost everything from the comics, while still entertaining non-comic readers(Batman Begins did this pretty much as well). I'm just hoping The Dark Knight gives us Memento and Batman Begins Nolan, and not Insomnia and The Prestige Nolan. I'm starting to get nervous with what I've seen of the Joker so far.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    I always hated Nicholson's Joker

    by Doctor_Sin

    He fucking BLEW. Better than the guy in "The Batman" cartoon, but he just isn't IT for me. Cesar Romero, BM:TAS...and now this one look like the best Jokers I've seen.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    The one in the FRONT is the Joker

    by torontoxic

    I compared the shirt to the shooting footage and it's Heath Ledger up front. Some old guy in the back.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Boy, we're only going to hear bitching and whinny

    by lost.rules

    fanboys for another year. It's gonna be a long year.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Gabrial Gray

    by RokurGepta

    Maybe Gabrial Gay is someone famous, and it is some sort of publicity stunt. Why else would the powers that be not have banned him. His Shennanigan's have gone on for at least two days now, ruining a handful of talkbacks. What if it really is Rosie? or better yet as someone suggested it's Heath Ledger. How much more of a virul marketing campaign can you get?

  • May 29, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY SAYS is a Fucking Tard.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Someone just get it over with and ban this tool. The Joker pics have me a bit more excited now even though they are blurry I think Nolan is going to pull it off and Ledger may actually work in the role. Stoked.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    SMARTASS8

    by just pillow talk

    I'll take Prestige Nolan any day of the week...

  • May 29, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Best comic book films are...

    by Err

    Batman Begins, Spider-Man 2, Superman: The Movie, and Sin City. Spider-Man 2 is better than 1 anyday and I would be willing to fight anyone over the internet to do so and prove how I am the supreme being on the internet and that really makes me a god in real life.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Is it possible that

    by RokurGepta

    Gabrial Gray and Total F@#$ing Destruction are indeed one and the same?

  • May 29, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Err--

    by zb.brox

    I agree. I have a real soft spot for Hellboy, too, though.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    let not Raimy touch the Hobbit

    by pipergates

    none of his Spiderman's are very good, the last one is awful. I agree The Incredibles is the best superhero film. BB is up there, so is Hellboy and the first two Xmen ones.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Bwahahahaha

    by Err

    X-Men 1 and 2 <<<<< Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 and Superman and Superman 2.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Howard the Duck

    by bobster52

    Howard the Duck

  • May 29, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Comparinf Returns and Begins...

    by Kid Z

    ... is like comparing apples and Cuban cigars! I like 'em both... for different reasons. I actually prefer Burton's Penguin to any other depiction. I remember when Batman: The Animated Series was forced by Warner's to use a Burtonesque Penguin, then, a few years later they revised him back to a knock-off of the 60's version... and made him look like Bobby from King of the Hill wearing a tuxedo. It sucked! Look, Pengy's either a disgustin, hideous, but darkly humorous freak... or he's a short, fat guy with a monocle and an umbrella, take your pick... but which makes a scarier Batvillain?

  • May 29, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    ZB

    by Err

    Hellboy was good. Just the look and feel was good. It wasn't great, but it was good. It's a solid 3 out of 4 star movie for me. Plus Mr. Del Toro is a great director. He helped with Hellboy and I have high hopes for HB2.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    "BEGINS" lifelike approach + "BATMAN" visuals = A+

    by JDanielP

    Someday, there will be a truly GREAT Batman flick. (It may even come in the form of the JUSTICE LEAGUE movie or a team-up picture with Superman.) Someday, not only will they knock it out of the park, they will hit a GRAND SLAM. And I think it will have *some* elements (however small) of Burton, Nolan, and even that other guy, with BATMAN FOREVER. What I'm saying is,...while I have an appreciation for Nolan's more lifelike approach, I would rather NOT have it at the sacrifice of stunning visuals and incredible ("MATRIX" grade) cinematography. I think David Fincher ("SE7EN"/"ZODIAC") would be a perfect blend for Nolan's approach, though you wouldn't expect to be floored by his choreography. But that particular blending of style and storytelling is something I could REALLY dig...because I absolutely LOVE Fincher's cinematic eye. Basically, no matter which way you lean in terms of storytelling, a Batman movie should look stunning. Batman movies SHOULD look incredible. An awesome Bat-suit costume design and exaggerated capes (various sizes for different shots/movements) represents the driven personality of Bruce Wayne. I just want the visuals to match great storytelling, within the fantasy world it takes place. I desire it to feel believable within that world...but not at the sacrifice of what comic books have given us in the form of sequential art. Slick or gritty, PG or PG-13, give me a masterpiece,...in terms of cinematic visuals, story and scipt,...and in acting performances. Don't let me go to my grave without a true Batman masterpiece.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    RoKur

    by tehgreekhammer

    Not a chance TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION is the man. <p> Gabriel Gay just likes getting pounded by men.

  • May 29, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    masquerade

    by pipergates

    i suspect gabriel gray and possibly total f'n destruction are both a front for somebody else to make us forget recent obnoxius talkbacks...

  • May 29, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    supercowbell 2 return of the cowbell

    by SMARTASS8

    Is retarted anything like retarded? People like you give the internet a bad name. Nothing I said was confrontational. Calm down Scrappy Doo!!

  • May 29, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Nah, they're not the same t.piper.gates

    by Ricky Henderson

    Total f'n destruction at least makes me giggle. This Gabriel Gray punk is unoriginal and uninspired.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    The problem with the viral marketing theory...

    by zb.brox

    ...I think, is that "Gabriel Gray" is so much like "Michael Bay" and he started this nonsense in a TF thread. So if it IS viral marketing, it's probably for Transformers. And that, y'know, makes no fucking sense at all. It would just be incredibly, incredibly lame.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I'm only saying this coz I'm a Batman fan

    by Mr Chuff

    and have been since I was a kid... I like Batman Returns for its "style". Dunno why - just do. But I do think Batman Begins is the best FILM VERSION of Batman. I'm not here to argue...

  • May 29, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Burton's Batman movies are still the best

    by Ricky Henderson

    ...because of the Gotham city design. Sure, Keaton isn't as good as Bale, but whatever. Batman is nothing without a faithful rendition of Gotham City. You need that surreal, haunting cityscape. Huge ominous buildings with pipes everywhere. Burton nailed it and no one else has come close (except for the cartoon). I like Nolan's take on the character of Batman, but I despise what he did by relying so much on Chicago as a city. You're left with Batman in a boring city, not Batman in Gotham. So in my eyes, Batman Begins is not a true Batman flick at all.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Burton's Batman movies are still the best

    by Ricky Henderson

    ...because of the Gotham city design. Sure, Keaton isn't as good as Bale, but whatever. Batman is nothing without a faithful rendition of Gotham City. You need that surreal, haunting cityscape. Huge ominous buildings with pipes everywhere. Burton nailed it and no one else has come close (except for the cartoon). I like Nolan's take on the character of Batman, but I despise what he did by relying so much on Chicago as a city. You're left with Batman in a boring city, not Batman in Gotham. So in my eyes, Batman Begins is not a true Batman flick at all.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    This "Total" kid....

    by Kid Z

    ...Someone refill his friggin' Ritalin prescription, willya?!!?

  • May 29, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Gabriel Gay is not either Michael Bay or Ledger or

    by lost.rules

    Rosie. He's a combination of all three. He's a fat, gay, no talent loser. Just watch this, and You'll see, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U1lmOsscYs

  • May 29, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Also, it just isn't a Batman movie without Danny Elfman

    by Ricky Henderson

    You can't tell me that the Elfman theme isn't the music you associate with the character of Batman. The Hans Zimmer score from "Begins" was a travesty. A sullen & muddled mess. Give me something at least mildly heroic will ya? Echos of the Elfman Batman theme, is that so hard? Even that Superman Returns travesty had the brains to rehash William's original theme...

  • May 29, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Begins

    by tehgreekhammer

    Was ten times better than anything Burton/Schumacher ever put out.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I was just making a point

    by Mr Chuff

    but I guess its lost amongst all the COCK posted by this retarded cum-smear who seems to think that endless posts of the same uninteresting shit is somehow "hilarious".

  • May 29, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Ricky...

    by Kid Z

    ... You DO know they redesigned the look of Gotham in the comics to imitate the look of Gotham in the first two Batman movies, don't you? Before that, it looked like a dirtier, seedier version of Metropolis. I thought they did a pretty good job designing Gotham in Begins, especially the funky el train system and the Narrows.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    What does this mean for DVDs?

    by CaptainTripps

    Does that mean that the Imax scenes will be cropped down to a widescreen size for regular theaters and DVDs? That kind of pisses me off since the whole reason I buy the widescreen versions of movies on DVD is that I DONT WANT a cropped down version of a movie. This seems like a pretty stupid expense anyway since most people won't ever see it in an Imax theater.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Good for Nolan

    by Cobbio

    Not sure what this will mean for the final "Dark Knight" film, but I'm glad he's trying something new. Could be fucking cool.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Wank? Is that an Aussie expression as well?

    by lost.rules

    It is LEDGER! Christ, what an asshole.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Is this annoying kid still online?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I guess his name is Kevin Smith.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Captain Tripps

    by lost.rules

    Try reading the article. It says that they filmed with both IMAX and regular cameras. READING CAN BE FUN!

  • May 29, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    They must've started shooting, again.

    by lost.rules

    Back to work, Ledger. Come back to annoy us some other time, or not.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Captain Tripps

    by Mattyboy122

    There should be no cropping, since, as far as I know, Imax shoots in the traditional widescreen aspect ratio (2:35.1). The thing about Imax is that is allows you to capture a much higher resolution image, so when it gets put on dvd you won't be able to see nearly as much clarity in the image as you'll see in theatres. That's my understanding, at least.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Ricky, i agree but disagree

    by pipergates

    Actually i agree more with Chuff, BB is the best film version. I believe you are a purist. Bale is better than Keaton, no argument there. Keaton was a good actor and had some interesting eyebrows and thats all.. "You need that surreal, haunting cityscape". That i also agree with, but Burton did it way too over the top, so cartoony it became silly. But yes Nolan could take a hint from the gothic elements and add at least some gargoyles and some historic atmospheric buildings. Burtons biggest sin was deviating so much from the norm and even making Batman kill. And in that regard i defend Nolan and say that yes his version is very much a true Batman flick.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Just a quickie...

    by freemind

    Is this gonna be called Batman: The Dark Knight or just The Dark Knight?????I really hope it's just the dark knight

  • May 29, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Heath Ledger Is the sexiest Tomboy Beanpole ever

    by tehgreekhammer

    it had to be said.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Ricky Henderson not so fuckin crazy

    by finky089

    And not a bad basestealer either. <p> Elfman's Batman theme was and still is THE theme for motion picture Batman. In my mind, anyway. The score for Batman Begins is great in its own way, but no match for the actual heroic sounds of Elfman's theme. <p> just my 1.5 cents

  • May 29, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    t.piper.gates.

    by Mr Chuff

    thanks for making the effort to find my post amongst all the shit....

  • May 29, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    I WANK IN MY OWN FACE

    by GABRIEL GRAY SAYS.....

    Hello fellow talkbackers. This is Gabriel Gray. I would like to deeply apologize to everyone I have offended. Words cannot express the deep regret and sorrow I feel for my actions on this talkback. All I can see is I love the cock. Just the head.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    excrement % is down

    by pipergates

    right chuff?

  • May 29, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    freemind

    by Ribbons

    As of now it's just 'The Dark Knight,' but there's no telling whether or not the studio will get cold feet and slap a "Batman" in there. 'Batman Begins 2: The Subtitling.' I like 'The Dark Knight' because it actually sounds like a legitimate movie title and not a brand name, which even the best comic book adaptations are saddled with, so here's hoping the studio stands their ground and keeps it as is.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    spoken too soon

    by pipergates

    zzzzzzzzzz

  • May 29, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    You keep wanking...

    by tehgreekhammer

    and youll go blind.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    If GABRIEL GRAY SAYS is Ledger,

    by Turd Furgusen

    They may want to rethink the viral campaign. Meatspin site alone could get me fired just for opening it.<p> I pretty sure Nolan and co. don't want a bunch of lawsuits on there hands for letting him send nasty links to the site.<p> Has anyone opened the other links that GABRIEL GRAY SAYS posted?<p> Are any of them safe to view?

  • May 29, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Yeah, you love the cock!

    by lost.rules

    That's obvious. Apology accepted, FAG!

  • May 29, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Begins is overrated, but so is Returns

    by Mattyboy122

    For my money, Batman (89) is the best of the live-action Batman films (Mask of the Phantasm being the best Batman, period). Burton went too over the top in Returns, but he struck just the right balance of grit and sytlization in the first film. And don't give me that 'Nolan's Batman doesn't kill' bullshit. What do you think happened to the ninjas in the League of Shadows HQ? If you think all of them survived, then throw your beloved realism out the window (and what about the man Bruce refused to execute? most likely dead as a door nail). What's more, leaving Ra's in the train at the end, while not literally murder, was basically killing the guy. Nolan's fucked a lot up, too, and his lack of visual imagination and desire to explain every. single. THING. is keeping this franchise from achieving greatness (because we all know Bale is an amazing actor totally capable of giving us a kick-ass Batman...it's just too bad he's stuck in a mediocre flick). Here's hoping the sequel delivers. Less exposition and preachy dialogue, more style.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Mattboy12

    by lost.rules

    Come back when you're eighteen yers of age, and actually know what the fuck you're talking about.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Looks like the joke is on

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    us.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Um

    by Mattyboy122

    I'm over 18 and who are you to say I don't know what I'm talking about? You think that one baseless statement disproves anything I've said? In fact, it just makes you sound like you're immature.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Superman 1 is the best comic movie.

    by vezner2007

    I gotta agree that Superman 1 is much better than Spiderman 1 or 2. Superman 2? Well, it was pretty damned good too but not quite as good as 1. As for Batman Begins, it's my second favorite comic movie followed closely by Spidey 2. The rest...well, they all suck. Peace out.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Sin City 2...Doomed?

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    I supposed everyone has heard this but: http://tinyurl.com/25fn3z ... in other news: http://tinyurl.com/yw9evb ... I'm sensing an odd pattern here.

  • May 29, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Talkbackgeek and Gabriel

    by Quint

    talkbackgeek - I believe Imax is 70mm (or bigger) as opposed 35mm film, which means the image is deeper and richer. If you've ever seen 16mm vs 35mm you'll know there's a big leap in quality. So, on the Imax screens these 4 action scenes will look as good as any of those "made for Imax" documentaries you've seen and the rest of the movie will be blown up from 35mm, so there'll be a slight quality difference. On 35mm (regular theaters) you'll notice a quality difference in these scenes as well. You know when filmmakers use 8mm in certain sequences... like Bay did at the end of Armageddon... you see the quality difference in how the film was shot, even if it is on 35mm. Super 8 would be blown up and distilled, fuzzy. 70mm shrunk down will be higher contrast, sharper. Hope that answered your question.<BR><BR>And about Gabreil Gray, I delete him when I see him, so I'm dependent on you guys letting me know when he pops back up again. He thinks it's funny, but at the end of the day he can appear as many times as he wants because with one click of the button on my end everything he's ever written disappears. He spends more time at something that won't be there the next day... or he's a bot.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Mattyboy

    by Ribbons

    This is something I've seen crop up sporadically in Batman-related threads, but I don't get the hostility towards explaining all the details (regardless of how minute) of Batman's origin. I personally think it's kind of a cool idea, but I concede that plenty of other people could choose not to care. However I don't see how the conceit keeps the franchise from "achieving greatness," as you say. At the most it's just something that you could have imagined explanations to yourself, but how it's an actual flaw of the movie is beyond me. <br> <br> Interesting comment about the guy Bruce refused to kill ending up dead as a result of his actions, because I just re-watched 'Batman Begins' last week (in a comic book movie binge) and thought the same thing.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Quint

    by GABRIEL GRAY SAYS.....

    I will except all consequences for my actions. I think I may have been molested as a child because I really love the cock.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by Mattyboy122

    Well, why it keeps the film from achieving greatness is because it doesn't really leave anything to the imagination. It really is demystifying to me to see all of these things broken down into specific details. I suppose I could see why some people would find it interesting, but to me it just showed a lack of imagination in the filmmakers and that was projected on to the audience, who could really leave very little in the film up to their imagination.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by Mattyboy122

    I meant to say 'why it keeps the film from achieving greatness in my eyes,' because I realize some people may find it appealing. I didn't mean to imply that I was proclaiming some universal judgment on the film, just offering my two cents.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Ledger

    by GABRIEL GRAY SAYS.....

    I am not Heath Ledger, but I felt a real connection between Heath and my penis when I watched Brokeback Mountain.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Why the Change Gab?

    by GABRIEL GRAY SAYS.....

    You may ask yourself that? Well my mom read the talkback and beat the shit out of me. So I have to behave or no more breatfeeding. Good stuff that milk is.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    I do agree that Batman Returns

    by pjdon

    was more visualy interesting than begins. But I like the fact that Begins has a real world look to it. It helps with the whole bringing Batman to life in a more realistic way.<p>Returns also was not really about Batman, can anyone think of a scene in it which actually explored who Batman was. It was just set in a world where it was not unusual for Batman to exsist.<p>Begins is actually about Batman and what it means to be Batman, why he does it, how he does it and what it says about not just his state of mind but also crime and punishment within society.<p>Batman is one of the only comic book characters who actually nade the choice to become what he is.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    And Quint, i can't believe Bay

    by pjdon

    was what popped into your head when thinking of 8mm stock.<p>The juxtaposition of the two is brilliant.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    yay

    by BurgerKing

    hurray, batman.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Oh and Quint did you read my suggestion

    by pjdon

    for when TF is released over on the TF TB. I think it'd be a great tribute to the end of TF talkbacks.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    yay

    by BurgerKing

    hurray, batman.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Viral Joker 666

    by GABRIEL GRAY SAYS.....

    Dude seriously, making a billion posts in a row is not cool. Trust me, I know. Being on the darkside is not worth it. Come into the light. Come into the light Carol-Anne.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    pj and gab with 4 periods

    by Quint

    I almost deleted you, Gabriel with 4 periods, until I noticed your email was different and you were taking the piss out of the spammer.<BR><BR>pjdon - I did see your post and your emails in... good idea, but I don't know how to set that up. If you have any ideas, let me know.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Hey Quint

    by torontoxic

    Ban that guy's IP range. Should be a setting on the admin side. Then he won't even be able to visit the site let alone annoy everyone by acting like fucking spastic douchebag.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    5 periods Quint

    by GABRIEL GRAY SAYS.....

    Gabriel is no more. Hopefully.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    March Of The Penguins

    by MrDuke118

    I believe Morgan Freeman should narrate The Dark Knight. He will also be narrating my wedding night. Picture this in Morgan's sexual voice "MrDuke slowly girates up and down, and I knew then, you better get busy fucking or get busy wanking." Yeah Morgan!

  • May 29, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Quint - could some kind of voting system not be set up

    by pjdon

    where the TBers get to decide whpo does the review, or you guys could just pick.<p>Anyone else any ideas how this could be set up?

  • May 29, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Bet you never thought you'd say that BSB

    by pjdon

  • May 29, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    I don't think anyone's going ot beat the set designs...

    by rbatty024

    for Batman Returns. Burton's Batman movie aren't worse than Nolan's, they're just different. Mostly because Burton wasn't terribly interested in Batman he was interested in the villians. If there's a superhero where the villians can be the center, then it's definitely Batman. Greatest rogue's gallery in all of comicdom.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    the Joker isn't in the top

    by Zach_Talks_Back

    the Joker isn't in the top photo guys ......... its just his henchmen.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    QUINT ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!!!

    by ludmir88

    "with one click of the button on my end everything he's ever written disappears." Hey mom i found God!!!!!!!!! naaaaaaaaaaah.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    I'd nominate myself Quint but I

    by pjdon

    have a baby due on the day of the release so I might not even get to see it on the big screen. (Imagine my conflicting emotions on that day)

  • May 29, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    i can't stop looking at the girl in the bustedtees ad

    by samsquanch

    guh. <p> joker, yeah, awesome. <p> ...

  • May 29, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Zach talks back

    by torontoxic

    Yes he is. The guy in the front is Heath Ledger. I checked the footage and pics of the outside scene portions and he's wearing the same suit and shirt.

  • May 29, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    JINO!

    by AICN Nazi

    Joker In Name Only!

  • May 29, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    In the first picture i bet ...

    by ludmir88

    he gets betrayed. the guy behind is pointing his gun at him, i guess

  • May 29, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    2nd pic FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by dirkadirkadirka

    I don't know....lokks photoshopped to me. No way that is a real pic from TDK...its not featured as part of the USA Today story.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Nicholson's Joker is one of the all-time classics

    by performingmonkey

    I don't care if Jack is pretty much playing himself it's still a funny and fucked up performance ('can somebody tell me what kind of a world we live in where a man dressed up as a BAT steals my press!'), and Burton's first Batman is a very STRANGE film indeed. Not that Returns isn't but at least it isn't depressing like the first film. It just seems to have no budget and the writing is as boring as fuck. Nicholson is the only good thing about it IMO, oh and Michael Gough as Alfred (I still can't believe that he was in them all up to Batman and Robin, although who better?).

  • May 29, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    meltedfacetoht - I'd be happy with them deciding

    by pjdon

    but they should put it to us for a couple of days and get an idea of who to choose from.<p>Probably less arguments over who got chosen that way.<p>I nominate Gabriel Gray ;)

  • May 29, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    dirkadirkadirka it is on their site, and it has

    by pjdon

    nolan behind the camera, looks real to me.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Transformers 3 - WAVES ON OPTIMUS

    by pjdon

  • May 29, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by dirkadirkadirka

    Its certainly Nolan...no doubt, but what is he looking at. Whats that weird screen we see the Joker through? And if Ledger is standing right on the other side, why can't we see his feet? I don't know...I'm just pointing it out.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    As long as

    by RokurGepta

    Soundwave appears as an iPod in Transformers 2, I will be happy

  • May 29, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Nosferatu Jones--

    by zb.brox

    Seems likely, especially as Ledger apparently took his Joker persona in part from the droogs in A Clockwork Orange.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    dirkadirkadirka the transparent screen

    by pjdon

    is simply used to control the light, just an easy way of softening it up or something.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    TFD

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I knew it! I fucking knew it! I saw those periods after and I thought, that's not the REAL TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    In The Mouth of Madness

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Loved that flick. Please don't come back GG. You ruin the whole concept of TB. I hope the IP was blocked. Killjoy prick.

  • May 29, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Sutter Kane needs to learn the difference between

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    hear and here. I guess it was too much to hope for the IP to be blocked. <P>On topic, I cannot wait for TDK. Regardless of the hate out there, I love Mista J's look and think Heath Ledger is a fine actor i.e. a brilliant choice. I love the casting on this film. <P>Batman Begins is now my favorite film score of all time. It is simply a masterstroke of genius to me. I actually like the score more than the flick, and I like the flick quite a bit. I hope Nolan does it right with this one and doesn't suffer a sophmore slump. Don't kill the Joker! Send him to Arkham.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    SUTTER KANE i had plenty of abuse

    by pjdon

    from the GAY GERBIL yesterday on the TF post, did he have something better to add on this one?

  • May 29, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    I love Batman Begins and it is one

    by pjdon

    of my most re-watched films, but the score has never really stood out to me.<p>Must take more notice.<p>They should geyt whoever does LOSTs theme, that makes the hairs stand up like no other theme.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    TDK

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    And thanks be to you as well. Let it be known that I would gladly accept your TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION any day, as opposed to some pathetic poseur. Be well.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Hey Quint

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    Where is that second pic from? I don't see it on the linked story over at usatoday.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Well the score was just flawless for me. But I am a weirdo - point and case, my previous favorite score, before being usurped by BB, was Alien 3. Like I said, weirdo. I am no musician, nor do I fully "understand" what goes into writing, conducting and whatnot. I just know what I like and I think those two scores are brilliant. Matters not what film they are associated with. <P>I've never seen an episode of Lost. Ever. I'll take your word on the theme.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    SUTTER KANE/ GABE GAY

    by Chiziola79

    I notice that there is no response to the verbal buggering I gave you on the transformers tb. Seems caps locks and tired phrases are all you know you bitch. You are at best a commodore 64 programmed spamming bot you loser

  • May 29, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Lost and Heroes IMPORTANT NEWS

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    Both eat a fat dick. Television is stupid, television eats a fat dick. This is my opinion, and it is in fact, true. If you don't agree, you are doing what lost, heroes, and television in general do- eat fat dick.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    meltedfacetoht

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    That's cool. I agree that both of Elfman's scores are awesome. Simply Awesome. Siouxsie & The Banshees is my favorite band of all time - bar none. Has been for 22 years now. Bonus track (Face to Face) at the end of the Batman Returns soundtrack was epiphaneous for me when I was younger. I have no shame admiting that. Siouxsie's "solo" album is due in September. Tightness! Flame away if you must.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    meltedfacetoht

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Additionally and off topic - what are some of your favorite film scores besides the two you mentioned?

  • May 29, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Although I think a more subtle score is

    by pjdon

    what fit BB. I love the score from the Infernal Affairs trilogy. It would fit the style of a realistic Batman film quite well.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    And yes GABRIEL GRAY did wank on my face

    by pjdon

    but I wiped it off before his mom could start licking it.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Batman 89 score

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Yes, Descent into Mystery and Childhood Remembered are absolute standouts on that album for me.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Infernal Affairs trilogy. Tightness. I absolutely refuse to watch The Departed. I hate remakes of Asian films. I'm a freak like that. This Hollywood-Remake-A-Go-Go must end. Yes, my loss, but the original was just so good. <P>And I think the BB score complimented the material well.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I feel like...

    by RokurGepta

    I'm on crazy pillz

  • May 29, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa how can you sum up

    by pjdon

    a whole medium like that? I agree that the way people just sit in front of the TV and zone out watching endless crap is bad. But surely there is plently of good TV. Just do what I do find a couple of programs that are really worth watching and don't watch the rest.<p>I'm sure there are plenty of crap movies out there but that doesn't mean you stop watching movies altogether.<p>How can you say gold like The Simpsons, LOST, Family Guy, Extras, The Office (UK and US versions) are not worthy viewing?

  • May 29, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    The latest tbs

    by Chiziola79

    Are hitting the same lows Uwe Bowe aspires to

  • May 29, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    What Satisfies you guys anymore?

    by The Ghost Who Walks 19

    I've been looking at these bulltins discussing why Spider-man 2 or Batman Begins didn't work for them as a movie. Most of these complaints are pretty petty and ridiculous. One guy complained that Batman Begins didn't work for him because it was trying to be too realistic with explaining how and why a man would dress around in a bat suit and fight crime. What kind of complaint is that?!?! The whole reason for going the realistic route in the first place with Batman Begins was because people(myself included)weren't satisfied with the campy and cartoonish route that began to emerged in the later original movies. Just face it, today's generation of movie viewers likes their shit to be explained and I for one aint just going to except a man fighting crime in a bat suit without a solid and convincing explaination. And as far as Spider-man 2 goes, I do feel that it is one of the best superhero movies to date. I saw people talking about that the movies didn't have no focus. Where you guys watching the same movie?!?! The main focus of all the Spider-man films was clearly peter trying to balance his responsibility as man and as a superhero. I also saw that people said that Spider-man 2 in particular drift from different genres and didn't know what type of movie it wanted to be. Well Spider-man has always had a different blend of genres from time to time in the comics but the main genre was always the superhero genre. So what was the problem of translating that to the movies with the mix of comedy and slight horror. It was still a superhero movie for goodness sake. Some say it had a slower pace compared to the first spider-man. Thats because spider-man 2 actullay had a story to tell and wasn't just trying to establish everything like the first one did without a main story. Now if the movie had too much action going on, then you guys would've conplained that it didn't have any story. My thing is yeah there's going to be a few nitpicks here and there and thats with any movie. But letting them little nitpicks take away from the overall movie is just ridiculous. Take the movie for what they are. Yeah these are fantasy movies but they got to have some logical sense to them, thats why the golden age of comics tanked in the lates 40s and 50s and people accpeted the silver age in the 60s. They were fantasy stories that had a sense of logic by mixing the science ficton element to it. So please don't take these movies to heart by saying that they're too realistic or too cartoony. There just movies.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed the departed is a great film

    by pjdon

    but it just doesn't have the complexity of the original.<p>It is set over a few years instead of just jumping straight in to the couple of weeks at the end of their undercover carreer.<p>It just doesn't let the characters develop as every 5 mins it jumps forwards a couple of months. I like the fact that in IA 1 it doesn't have any exposition, it just shows what happens and you have to watch it a few times to absorb all the detail.<p>The Departed feels like they tried to combine IA 1 and 2 but didn't really get the brilliance of either film.<p>As a film in its own right it is still great though.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    TFDestruction...

    by Err

    A little rhyme for you:<br><br> You fail at life in a new kind of way. <br> You've redefined n00b and turned it gay.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    They're just movies

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    and I happen to love both Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2. I thought any and all liberties taken within those films were acceptable and executed well. Great "comic book" films. Never understood the hate/complaints. Perhaps I am easily amused or not a hardcore Batman/Spider-Man fan. Whatever. Great flicks.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    meltedfacetoht

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Cool. Thanks for sharing. Seriously. I love Rocky and Dragon. Good stuff.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    All fantastic scores

    by RokurGepta

    a few off the top of my head that I really love are <p> Last of the Mohicans Gattaca Tron

  • May 29, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    That's what I have heard. I'm just too steadfast in my opinion. I know it was a critically hailed film, but I just didn't see the need for an Americanized version. To each his own. Glad there's another fan of the original trilogy out there.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION it is better in its

    by pjdon

    own way now it has developed its own stlye. That is why it is more complex now because it has grown. More intelligent is objective really, it is intelligent but probably not as subtle as the UK version.<p>I suppose I can relate to it more though as I have worked in a lot of offices here in the UK and it is spot on.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    PJ

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    Those shows are really good, and if they existed in another medium I would watch them. It's the medium of television that is so absolutely evil and disgustingly wart-covered. And really, while some shows can be really good, they can NEVER transcend the medium of television and give you a TRULY memorable experience. Tell me has any show EVER done that? For me- I know some movies and books have done that, and many PEOPLE have done that, but NEVER television- in fact it sucks those experiences away from you and leaves your skull hollow.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Last of the Mohicans has a glorious score

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    that's when I fell in love with Madeleine Stowe and Michael Mann. Nice one RokuGepta.

  • May 29, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    TFD

    by Err

    I dance the dance and I walk the walk.<br> So please shut up and do not talk.<br>

  • May 29, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Totally off topic

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    but as far as television is concerned, I think The Prisoner and Twin Peaks stand the test of time. I can't not love those shows. Know what I mean? Probably not.

  • May 29, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa as comedy

    by pjdon

    Simpsons, office, etc are probably better and more timeless than any comedy movie out there.<p>As far as drama I kind of agree, LOST is brilliant but sometimes it acts like a TV show with some parts (ie some of the more unimportant flashbacks) seeming like mass produced filler. Sometimes it even feels like a soap. In that way it will never have the same consistancy as a movie but that is due to them having to have weekly episodes.<p>I often think about how much better it would be if it where a few episodes shorter per season, not much but just enough so that every episode and scene is at its peak.

  • May 29, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    Why do people bother talking to or about GiGi

    by Napoleon Park

    when every day all his posts get deleted? All these talks are full of people talking to, at or about the poor kid. No one seems to pity him. His posts are an obvious cry for help. "f*ck f*ck f*ckitty f*ck, f*ck this, f*ck that, f*ck it all, f*ck everything but the kids." He hits on that theme again and again. Don't f*ck the kids. <p> Gabriel on Criminal Minds never smiles or laughs and is obsessed with understanding twisted psyches. Peter Gabriel in Genesis was a schizoid lead singer taking on the persona of every character he sang. And the Biblical Gabriel is an angel of vengence. Jean Grey became the crazed Dark Phoenix. Meredith Grey is a self loathing manic depressive unable to stay happy. All the Gabriels are male, all the Greys female. And his favorite show and talkback is "Lost", the series in which every character has disturbing father issues. <p> Put the clues together. As a child - which he still is mentally - his father repeatedly f*cked him and when he told his mother, instead of helping him SHE LAUGHED AND LAUGHED, something the real GiGi is now incapable of ever doing. <p> Oh why must you torment him with your taunts, his time is running out. People like him always suicide out, they always leave long impassioned suicide notes and, here's the funny part, the person the note is addressed to or the person who finds it always destroys it unread. <p> He will be gone and forgotten soon, why not start now. Just ignore him. We are the only family he has left, when he realizes we are done with him it will be all over once his blood runs out. RIP GiGi.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Standing the tests of time

    by RokurGepta

    The Price is Right... and <p> Doctor Who

  • May 29, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Damn you RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    The Price is Right is so very wrong in so many ways. The epitome of evil.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Lars Von Triers The Kingdom

    by pjdon

    definately stands the test of time. Although you could say he intended it to be shown as a movie.<p>Stephen Kings Kingdom Hospital...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA CGI Aardvark??? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Kind of back on topic, only kinda

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Batman: The Mask of the Phantasm had a great score. The very first musical score I bought on CD. Late to the party (embracing cds that is), but still. Great film and great score. Dana Delany's voice was hotness.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    How many of us are depressed

    by RokurGepta

    honestly, I hate life, and think of Suicide every day. I wish everybody treated those around them better. There's so much shit going on in the world, and we all know about it, alot of us talk about it, but nothing is done about it. <p> I think Napolean is right about Gabriel Gray, the person is indeed crying for help. What can we do to help a stranger out? <p> What's sad is, most of you will probably, mock me and laugh at me for this post, but in all seriousness, how do we make this world a better place? Well, it's all about the power of one. Be nicer to the person next to you, smile to a complete stranger, remember to say thank you and please more often, trust me, it really can make someones day. <p> HUGS TO EVERYONE

  • May 29, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta big hug back man

    by pjdon

    feel the love

  • May 29, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Regardless if you are being serious or not, I agree. Be nice to the guy/gal next you. Treat those as you would like to be treated. Common courtesy is a rarity.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    meltedfacetoht

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    too true, too true. I concur. I am trying to raise my daughter with fair expectations in life. Strive to do well, but don't be unrealistic. Common sense and realistic perspective are a must. <P> This is a Joker TB and we are discussing the social well-being of the children of the world. WTF.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Napoleon Park

    by Ribbons

    To add to your list, Gabriel Gray is actually Sylar's real name on "Heroes" (Sylar is a brand of watch or something).

  • May 29, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    QUINT!!!!!

    by dirkadirkadirka

    Seriously, do you know where that second pic is from? As has been said, it doesn't show on the USA Today story.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    I'm going to raise my child to not live its life

    by pjdon

    by money. Too many people, especially rich people only think about money. They forget why they need it and that it is worthless on its own.<p>I have never seen anyone with money who is any happier than those without.<p>They sacrifice the important stuff like friends, family and art for just raising their bank balance.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Actually i'm going to train my child in martial arts

    by pjdon

    and everthing else i can cram into its head and basicly push it to one day becoming Batman.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I've never met anyone with money who is happy. Not truly happy. My wife works in the field of medicine, so those parties with her associates and all that that implies, paint a not so pretty picture. Live a modest life and live life well.

  • May 29, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    No, pjdon, no

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I'm just met you. I like you. I do not wish you to meet your demise in an alley behind a concert hall just for the sole purpose of helping your kid become Batman.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed I work with a woman who's

    by pjdon

    family has tons of money but she'd walk a mile to pick up a penny. She always has a go at me because I don't seem that interested in talking about how much I earn or how much every little thing costs. She even had a go because I wanted to spend time with my pregnant girlfriend this weekend instead of doing overtime with her.<p>She says I should take a leaf out of her husbands book, he runs his own contracting buisness and works 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week. I would never say anything to her but he never sees her or his kids because he is earning more and more money which they don't need or spend.<p>That is not happiness.<p>Although I think he is a case of someone who comes from a poor Irish background and would have had to work hard to feed his family. It just seems he forgot why he was working in the first place and when to stop.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed I'll just fake my death

    by pjdon

    so the kid gets all deppressed, then send it to live with a rich uncle and then pop back up in its life when its got the Batman lifestyle underway.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Why have kids if you have no desire to spend time with

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    them? Why work yourself to death to support people you do not interact with? Life is too short. Money is not the root of all happiness. Sounds to me like that woman and man shouldn't have procreated. My wife and I didn't spawn until we were ready to make the necessary sacrifices. We don't subscribe to the daycare society, and therefore I am a stay at home dad. Sacrifices made, but at least one of us is raising her, not strangers you can't trust. There's enough people in the world. Don't spawn if you're not willing to be responsible about the life you create. Just my opinion.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Like this guy

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    his parents clearly took no interest in raising him or instilling any sensibilities. <P>Is it really not possible to block an IP? Clearly it isn't or AICN won't do it. Commence with the incoherant spamming. FAS poster child.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Too many people seem to have kid as accesories

    by pjdon

    thats why I believe in only having one child, maybe another a few years down the line but trying to give one child all our attention.<p>I see some people who have so many kids they can hardly remember their names let alone raise each of them as individuals.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY's parents probably took their

    by pjdon

    own lives when they found out what an abusve little prick he is.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I agree and that's exactly what we are attempting right now. There really is no reason for every couple to be a baby factory. Why? Focus on the one you have, don't try to spread yourself thin with 3-7 kids. Overpopulation is not a fabricated rumor. I didn't even want kids. I won't bore you with the senitmental cliches, but I am very fortunate to have my daughter. I'll just leave it at that.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Did AICN just crash?

    by RokurGepta

    nothing would load for the last 20 minutes?

  • May 29, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Granted I spend an inordinate amount of time

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    on this site in between child-rearing, but this fool is just desparate for validation. Attention starved to the extreme. Which I have never understood since I prefer solitude myself. "Proof that we are leaving our children behind."

  • May 29, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Come on AICN!

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Surly you have the power to ban an IP. It's not just a myth, is it? How is this behaviour acceptable? Granted I get off topic at times, but I am not beligerantly aggressive and vulgar. No one is. Not to this degree.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Aye people kind of laugh when I mention overpopulation

    by pjdon

    as another reason. I also think its a myth that it's not healthy to have an only child, it depends on how they are brought up. Most only children come from career parents who don't have time to raise any more and don't spend anytime with the one they have. <p>I think at least 1 parent should stay at home if possible.<p>I never thought i'd want a child either, I'm only 26 and still feel like a child myself but now i've gotten used to the idea i'm more excited than waiting for a whole summer of Iron Mans and Dark Knights.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Let's get back on topic

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Sorry about my previous tangents. <P>Is IMAX really all it's cracked up to be? I had an opportunity to see 300 on IMAX and passed? Is it really an enhanced experience or just "bigger"? I too think it's cool Nolan possesses foresight and is doing this. Sounds wise.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    It's Pericarditis

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    and your credibility is nill. Regardless if it is true or not, it matters not. You have abused this site too much for anyone to care. Go away.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    The only film I ever saw on IMAX was The Lion King

    by pjdon

    it was more impressive but unless it's in 3D I think I'd rather just a normal big screen for seeing a film which wasn't overly visual. 300 would be a good one though. I just couldn't imagine have normal dialouge scenes that big though.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Doesn't give you the right to be an asshole

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    My mother has shuffled off this mortal coil, but I'm here to talk about film - not for some type of therapeutic outlet. Hit the gym. You'll feel better. Let the iron take your rage/sadness away.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Well GABRIEL, I don't know if that is true or not

    by pjdon

    but you can't do nothing but swear and throw abuse at people and then get all personal and defensive if someone touches the truth while biting back.<p>Chill out man, lifes to short to be a twat.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Back on subject

    by pjdon

    Batman Begins clearly wasn't visual enough for IMAX so maybe this news means that Nolan is taking more care over that aspect.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Good luck brother. I mean that, best wishes to you and your special lady friend. After I had my kid, my priorities shifted for the better you could say. I still have all my hobbies (oddly enough I'm squandering time typing on this site when I could be indulging, but I am relaxing while the wife spends time with the kid) but my daughter comes first. She'll be out of the house soon enough if these first three years are any indication and then I can catch up on reading and films I may have not had time to enjoy. <P> And I concur on the one child myth bullshit. It's all how you raise them and the knowledge you instill. Be well.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    This Talkback is completely out of its own mind.

    by Bronx Cheer

    I don't know why some of you took the bate from the Gabriel person. Once the ban went through, there are left only a lot of incoherent replies to posts that are no longer there. Don't let crazy people hijack a TB...</p> <p>And then we go from that to the stuff at the end...which is quite touching. The hugs especially, that was sweet.</p> <p>For the record, it is not called Superman 1. I dig that's an easy way to make clear you're referring to the first film, but it 's annoying, so please stop it.</p> There, I have nitpicked enough.

  • May 29, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    I can't wait for this film to hit theaters

    by RokurGepta

    I for one loved Batman Begins, it was a splendid film, I honestly do appreciate Chris Nolan as a director, and Christian Bale is one of my favorite actors. <p> I was supposed to watch Spiderman 3 on IMAX, but that didn't work out, so hopefully Dark Knight will be my first IMAX film ever, unless something else visually stunning grabs me before.

  • May 29, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    I only hope that Nolan

    by tehgreekhammer

    Decides to use a bit of a wider lens this time when it comes to hs fight scenes. That was my only real complaint about the 1st one. All the fight scenes were framed too tight. <p> Unlike Gabriel Grays mom. Theres plenty of room in there...

  • May 29, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed good luck to you too

    by pjdon

    although just as your getting back into your hobbies another child will probably come along. Oh well at least we have retirement to look forward to, then we can catch up.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    IMAX explained.

    by Bronx Cheer

    IMAX uses 70mm film. The film is pulled sideways through the gate 15 perforations per frame. It works very much like a Vistavision camera which uses 35mm film with an 8 perf horizontal pulldown. (Effectively, the camera is turned on its side, and a larger aperture is employed, but your using spherical lenses, not anamorphic.) A single frame of an IMAX film is ten times the size of a single frame of standard 35mm film pulled down vertically at 4 perfs. Obviously, such a large negative allows for a beautiful print for the massive screens IMAX uses, but when reduced to 35mm projection, the result is an image of remarkable clarity. It's a matter of resolution.</p> <p>Vistavision cameras are still used today for effects work because of the superior resolution. A larger negative helps reduce generational loss which occurs during the multiple passes an original neg might go through in order to get to a finished effect. But since most film goes through a Digital Intermediate (DI) these days, generational loss is not such a big deal.</p> <p>It's worth noting that Nolan does not use a DI on his films. He does not like the look. He prefers to finish his films the old-fashioned way. Therefore, IMAX would be a good format for him if he wants a dazzling negative prior to putting his film through the post-production process.</p> <p>I hope this has been of some help.</p>

  • May 29, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Nolan was RIGHT not to show action in Begins

    by performingmonkey

    I'm talking about the Batman fight sequences where there are quick cuts and you can't clearly see what's going on. This is a GOOD thing because it's a FACT that seeing fights with the movie Batsuit always looks so fucking lame. Also, the cuts make Batman seem more like a presence that swoops in and takes people out. Nolan got it right in that you should never see him just walking around in the suit, he should always be in some sort of action pose or offscreen. I tell you the moment I absolutely LOVED, in the warehouse scene when the guys know that Batman's there but they can't see him, you get a sense of real danger, you have to thank Nolan for that.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    tehgreekhammer I think it was the editing that was

    by pjdon

    the biggest problem. It just seemed like all that fight training was a waste.<p>I'd love to see Batman in a 4 minute tracking shot fight against 40 odd people just like the one in Old Boy.<p>Or imagine how cool a Batman film would be with action like in the Casino Royale embassy chase. They should train Bale in Parkour.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    American Psycho is great

    by RokurGepta

    did you know that the film "The Rules of Attraction" Starring James Van Der Beek, Shannyn Sossaman, Jessica Beal, Fred Savage, etc. is actually somewhat of a sequal to American Psycho. The James Van Der Beek character is actually the brother of Christian Bale's character from American Psycho. The films are actually based on a book trilogy by a really kick ass author, I'll let you wikipedia it out, but if you love reading books, I highly reccomend them. <p> Chris Nolan's Memento is one of my favorite films, Guy Pearce is a great actor, I love his work in Memento, Priscilla Queen of the Dessert, and L.A. Confidential....

  • May 29, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Nice. Thanks for the 411. I could have did some online research, but you summed it up nicely for me. Suffice it to say I understand now. Thanks again and if time allows, I'll try to catch TDK via IMAX. TDK and IM. 2008 is looking nice.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    My two-cents about Batman Begins.

    by Bronx Cheer

    The fights were staged poorly. The third act, as mentioned elsewhere, was sort of silly. That microwave thingee would have vaporized the water in the cells in the human body; everyone around it would have died. And that massive destruction involving the train was way over the top. I didn't buy the physics of it; the train was going far too fast. Batman himself was well-conceived. Gordon had too many gee whiz moments; almost made him seem like an imbecile. The stuff with Morgan Freeman was a little too pat. I almost expected Bruce Wayne to be pushing a shopping cart like he was at Home Depot. Other than that, a good film. I think Nolan and Bale have figured out the character, and now it's time to turn him loose. I expect this next film to be far superior. In fact, and I am basing this on a gut feeling, I think The Dark Knight may eventually be referred to as the Greatest Comic Book Fillum Evar. (See, the whole "best ever" thing is silly. It's far too subjective. How about we expect these films to be good? Period. Giving them their own sub-classification almost allows them to suck a little and get away with it. I thought what made Batman Begins such a worthy film was that it reached out of the comic book ghetto. It wanted to be taken seriously as a film, not just as a comic book flick.)</p> <p>But for the record, the three best comic book movies are: American Splendor, Superman: The Movie, and Ghost World, in that order.</p> <p>You all must learn to show Harvey Pekar some effin respect.</p>

  • May 29, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY I have seen jump London

    by pjdon

    but I don't actually think it is that impressive in terms of Parkour. It doesn't have half the playground like structures and rooftops somewhere like france has.<p>One bit they actualy just ran accross the Millenium Bridge. <p>I could do that. <p>And I'm shit at running.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    2nd photo is real

    by lost.rules

    You can clearly see Nolan directing in the pic. And the first pic, Joker is standing in backround in his purple suit. Duh!DUH!DUH!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    performingmonkey, I dig what you say about the fight

    by Bronx Cheer

    scenes, and the way the warehouse sequence was staged thrilled me because it reinforced what Batman was about: TERROR. He is to crime what criome is to polite society. But there comes a time when fight scenes need to be handled the way dance sequences SHOULD be shot. You should be able to see it all, head to two, at least for some of the scene. The viewer still concentrates on what he or she chooses, but by showing the performer in full, it sells the action. When you see Jackie Chan doing what he does best, you generally see his entire body. The suit is problematic, but I expect the new suit that's coming in the next film will solve some of the mobility issues and allow for better staging.</p> <p>While I am excited to see how they realize the Joker, I am really pumped to see what they have in mind with the suit redesign.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed, no problem.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Yeah, it's a nice thought to go look it up, but I wanted to lay it out here before any more misconceptions got spread around.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta...

    by Calimist

    Its Bret Easton Ellis and its not a trilogy...its just that most of his books have the same characters in them

  • May 29, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Bret Easton Ellis writes some ugly shit, but damn if it's not enthralling. I thought all three adaptations of his works via film were nice. Kept the feel. What's up with Glitterati and The Informers?

  • May 29, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer I think that all

    by pjdon

    the problems with BB where due to Nolan being slightly over his head. It was his 1st big movie. Imagine how nuch more confidence he will have this time to concentrate on improving the look and fighting. He has done it all before with the first one, had The Prestige to hone his skills and now knows his actors much better.<p>Also any dodgy dialouge or plotting came from Goyer so brother Nolan should sort that out.<p>I love the fact that while most people think the action in BB is lacking they still love the film. Shows that the action scenes are not as important as character.<p>Ghost World and American Splendor are both fantastic films but I think when people say 'comic book' movie they really are reffering to movies dealing with Superheros etc. It's not like you would put Superman and Ghost World in the same catagory if they didn't come from the same medium.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Informers

    by Calimist

    would be sweet on film...I think Glitterati is already shot...remember those shots in Rules of attraction with Victor ( i think it is) in europe? Well ends up they shot a lot of footage with him and that is supposed to be Glitterati....I'd just rather them make Glamorama by itself...but Ben stiller beat him to the punch with zoolander

  • May 29, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Gabriel, I understand the Raiders love, but you

    by Bronx Cheer

    touch on the key difference. While both comic books and the Saturday morning serials have the serial narrative in common, comic books and graphic novels are a different medium and translating them to the screen can be a formidable challenge. The serials that Lucas and Spielberg fashioned Raiders after are films, and so Raiders is an homage. We can split hairs all we want, however, making distinctions between superhero comics and ones that are reality-based (or mundane), but quite honestly I'm too old for that. Harvey Pekar is a God, and that's all I have to say on the matter! Cheers. (By the way, I realize what a bore I am.)

  • May 29, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Robocop is one of the greatest comic book movies

    by pjdon

    ever, it just has the comic tone. Watch it again and then read The Dark kight Returns and see how similar the two are.<p>Paul Verhoven for TDKR film!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    whatever you call 'em

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    American Splendor and Ghost World respected the source material. Yep, I said it. And they were brilliantly done in every aspect. Hate to keep throwing the word brilliant around, but I'm no wordsmith and that's my opinion. And I think Nolan and crew are showing Batman some much needed respect via film. I really hope TDK doesn't let us down. So far so good I say. Still think they're ripping off Ichi the Killer with the Joker. I shouldn't say ripping off. How about respectful emulation?

  • May 29, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    pjdon, you're spot on. The Prestige shows how much

    by Bronx Cheer

    Nolan grew just from the Batman experience. (I think The Prestige was a terrific movie.) Since we never know exactly who's responsible for how characters ultimately develop, I agree it's important to make note of Goyer and I also agree Nolan is ultimately then one on the hook. A good example is the famous bazaar scene where Indy shoots the swordsman. If Ford hadn't been ill and suggested the gun out of exasperation and exhaustion, we would have gone without one of Indy's defining moments. Pulling the gun was practical and because of that completely unexpected, and audiences loved it. It was also quintessentially American, which Indy certainly is.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Calimist

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Yeah, I know. My point is get that shit out already (Glitterati). The Informers is still slated for next year I believe???? Hurry up already.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    About the Glitterati scene from Rules of Att

    by pjdon

    Did you know the director just gave the actor something like $10,000 and a camcorder and sent him off to Europe for 3 months. That was all real. Lucky bastard.<p>Also he visits a bar called Abysinth in the scene which i used to frequent when I lived in Amsterdam for a short while.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by lost.rules

    Some good points, sir. I fore one thought the fight scenes were disorienting in theaters, but watching it on DVD wasn't as bad. I think the Nolan brothers will write a better script than Goyer did, altough that was probably Goyer's best work to date. Johnathan has already said that this film, Batman is going to be much more of a detective. That's a good thing. Plus, when the Nolan brothers write scripts they remove all the fat. Nothing uneccessary to the plot. Also, Memento was a short story by Johnathan Nolan, in case you're wondering if he's a good writer or not. I've gotta alot of faith in this one folks. I think we all should.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    BB difference

    by Silverglade

    Something about BB in the way it was made and way it takes itself serious. I recommend it as a great film to anyone. I don't need to find out if people are comics fans or not. BB is a great film regardless if they know anything about Batman or comics. This specific "comic adaptation" really transcends. It is hard to explain I guess, but that personal opinion is why I have complete trust in Nolan and faith his next Batman venture is going to be just as great. I don't have that doubt you can sometimes get with directors when they make stuff. It seems more professional, if that makes any damned sense.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Let's remember Carpenter's Thing was a remake

    by Bronx Cheer

    so I say have at it. I think certain films beg for reinterpretation. That's why Body Snatchers keeps coming back. I'd like to see someone tale on some more of those films from the 50s that pretty much sucked but still had SOMETHING. As they say, don't remake the films that were good, remake the ones that were bad but had promise. That's where the challenge is.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    J. Nolan IS a terrific writer. Those brothers make

    by Bronx Cheer

    quite a team.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Paul Verhoven for TDKR film!

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    That could so work. If everything was right it could be monumental. They'd really have to be slavish to the source for me though. That was a defining read for me as a kid. Massive impact. I still believe that book deserves all the praise that's heaped on it. They could really fuck it up though. Maybe I don't want to see it realized. Hmmm

  • May 29, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    lost.rules I always think

    by pjdon

    that directing is such a hard overwelming intense complex job that every time a director makes a film he must learn so much. Nolan will be coming to this film with so much confidence. He was probably terrified on the first one.<p>also he will be given much more freedom now WB know that Batman is a viable franchise again.<p>Silverglade - I know what you mean, I made my mum watch BB and she hates comic films or any sillyness in a movie and she said it was brilliant. It really does transend the genre.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Just checked out IMDB

    by Calimist

    and it shows The informers and the informer both being directing by Gregor Jordan and both having to do with connected stories in LA...weird eh? As for Glitterati...Im almost convinced it will never come out...i mean that was 2004, at least they could put out a dvd or something, looks grim to me

  • May 29, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Watchmen

    by lost.rules

    I really, really hope Snyder pulls that one off. I don't think it'll be the kind of film that has mass appeal, though. Maybe. 300 was testosterone fest! That's why the frat boys loved it. Frat boy closet cases love them Spartans!

  • May 29, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    If you look at the news reports in Starship Troopers

    by pjdon

    or Robocop and compare them to the news reports throughout TDKR it is a perfect match.<p>As for casting: Kurt Russel as Batman, Richard E Grant as the Joker and Paul Newman as Gordon.<p>Any sugestions for Superman?

  • May 29, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Nolan and the Thing

    by McClane_Corleone

    I dunno, why fuck with something like that? Carpenter is a great director and The Thing is probably his closest thing to a perfect movie. They do Body Snatchers once every 5 years cause they all suck. There I said it, even the one with Spock and Jack Bauer's dad. The Thing=The Ill. Also, at least the second pic there looks like a more familiar Joker.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Another reason to love Batman Begins

    by lost.rules

    The opening weekend of that film was god awful. it made like 20 million tops. Everyone was predicting disaster, and slowly but surely word of mouth spread. By the end of the summer it had grossed over 200 mil in the U.S, alone. POTC3, Spidey 3 and many others only make their money that first couple weeks or so. Then everyone realizes that those movies are shit. Truely good films sustain an audience, throughout a run.

  • May 29, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    I think the guy in the front is Batman.

    by Jarados

    FROWNY CLOWN = BATMAN ABOUT TO SPRING ON THEM.

  • May 29, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    Verhoeven not a good fit for Batman. Nope.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Next idea. His ship has sailed. (Damn it, the Mets just beat the Giants. Hell.)

  • May 29, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    They are remaking Seven Samurai!

    by lost.rules

    :( Sad isn't?

  • May 29, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I'll invest in this if you get a proposal together. Kurt Russell. Yes. Richard E. Grant made such an impression in Gosford Park. A shared favorite of my wife and I. Love that film. I've seen it a good fifteen times at least. Paul Newman would be great. If Chris Reeve were still alive sans injury, you know he would be perfect. Don't know who would be a good Kent. Nothing comes to mind. What about Carrie? Who do you think - a no name actress? Love your idea though. And you're spot on with the news casts.....

  • May 29, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Bronx

    by McClane_Corleone

    Balked in Reyes. Pwn3d

  • May 29, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Gabriel, Carpenter has moments of greatness,

    by Bronx Cheer

    (and you knew a "but" was coming) but I I think his downfall was not realizing early on that he should collaborate more. And I do need to say that The Fog was TERRIBLE. And how could you leave off your list his best film, Escape from NY???</p> <p->One last thing, Gabe...your screen name is disgusting. I would like to suggest you come up with something a little less, how shall I put it, in your face...?

  • May 29, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I like what Jarados said about the guy in front.

    by Bronx Cheer

    That would be wicked.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I think it was easy to respect the source material with American Splendor and Ghost World as the original comic creators had a major hand in the film production (i.e. Daniel Clowes wrote the screenplay with Zwigoff) and both comics were based on everyday life, so it's easy. It's much more tricky I think to stay true to source material with super-hero comics because sometimes the original material just won't work on the big screen, or there's not enough substance there to begin with and they have to come up with new stuff to give it more resonance or something. And I don't think it's possible to make a faithful decent film adaptation of Dark Knight Returns (I assume that's what TDKR is)

  • May 29, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    McClane, that was two balks in one inning!

    by Bronx Cheer

    Benitez is a stiff. And then Delgado jacks one. Truth is that the Mets have a great team. I think it could be a happy October in Queens this year. And I do agree with your take on Carpenter's The Thing. I totally disagree about the two Body Snatchers..they're both terrific. That shriek at the end of the Spock one was nasty, and the pods in the original creeped me out when I was younger.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Fake??

    by Cobb05

    Remember the pics that came in that were deemed fake? The ones where Heath was walking by some trailers, taken overhead. Those pics were said to be fake, but if you look at the Joker in the bottom pic, he looks exactly the same. Did anyone else notice that?

  • May 29, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Maybe Verhoven has lost some of his edge Bronx

    by pjdon

    has anyone seen Black Book yet? I still havnt got round to it.<p>Maybe someone unknown for Superman. I always loved the idea of Jim Cavizel for a younger supes but as for an older one in the style of TDKR I'm not sure.<p>It should be someone with massive stature and a great big jawline.<p>I also think it should be filmed on green screen and techniques used to make Bruce, Gordon and Supes all look like they are 7 ft tall. I loved how big Batman was in the TDKR comics.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I'm blocking the Seven Samurai remake out

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Just pretending it isn't happening. Fuck the other reenvisioned films too save the Samurai Seven anime (watched it twice just to make sure it was really that good - yep it was). Oh, and the Criterion 3 disc set is beyond glorious. Tightness abound. <P>Reinterpret The Thing if you must, but nothing will touch Carpenter's. I enjoyed the Dark Horse continuations as a kid and hoped for a sequel with Russell & David. Probably for the best it didn't happen via film come to think of it. Sweet mother that is a fine film. Just watched it again last month matter of fact. That score is AWESOME.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    I totally disagree that Star Wars bares any resemblance

    by Bronx Cheer

    to Seven Samurai. But this news that it's being remade...blasphemy. BSB isn't far off about Citizen Kane. Why the hell not? Hey, it's in black and white, and kids today HATE b&w flicks, right film execs? Bastards.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    From Wiki, on SW and 7 Samurai:

    by Bronx Cheer

    "George Lucas states in the DVD commentary for Star Wars Episode III, that Yoda's running his hand over his head (like Kambei) is a nod to Kurosawa and this movie. Also the line about the farmers lot in life is to suffer is quoted in Star Wars (New Hope) but as droids."</p> <p>Sure, there are a couple of passing nods, but that's hardly the same as a complete freakin homage.</p>

  • May 29, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    BSB it's actually Megan Fox who is

    by pjdon

    playing Rosebud. And yes Gabriel has chilled himself out and revealed himself as an intelligent poster.<p>I think all our talk of hugging and being good to each other and raising children touched him.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Samurai Remake

    by McClane_Corleone

    Every movie since Seven Samurai is a remake of Seven Samurai.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    The Hidden Fortress

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I thought Lucas "based" SW on that. Whatever. I'm not a SW guy.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Haven't seen Black Book yet (want to), and yes,

    by Bronx Cheer

    I think he's lost his edge. Aging does that to most artists, even the ones that have a bone to pick, a grudge to settle with society. Success and wealth can do that to you.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    You're 100% right. I didn't cover my proverbial bases with that. Sorry. I guess I'm just wishing some comic book adaptations were better in many ways. *sigh*

  • May 29, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Zen and the Art of taking Prozac

    by RokurGepta

    I took prozac a few years back, it made me feel happy for a bit, but it seemed fake, plus it made me gain some weight. So I quit taking it, and got even more depressed. Anway <p> flash forward to the present, and talking about the John Carpenter remake of The Thing. I loved it, it's one of my favorite films. I had heard about 2 years ago, that the Sci-Fi channel would be making a mini-series sequel to John Carpenter's The Thing... but I don't know what happened to it, because i havn't heard anything new about it forever....

  • May 29, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    McClane, you made me chuckle. And BSB, thanks

    by Bronx Cheer

    for the hugs. I'm glad Gabe has settled down. He's not half bad in his present state. But I really do not see how we can take his name any way other than what it says. It's quite literal, and inappropriate. Tsk tsk.</p> <p>McClane, I don't totally disagree about 7 Sam. Kurosawa was amazing. I love his work.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST

    I loved what some executive said about re-making

    by pjdon

    The Long Good Friday: To paraphrase: "The original is a classic but because it is an english film not everyone got a chance to see it". And that is why they are letting Paul fucking Anderson re-make it in Miami because you americans have no way of seeing a film that comes from another country apparently.<p>I never really complain about re-makes becasue there is room for many interpritations of a concept but this makes me want to stab someone.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Ennio Morricone scored The Thing

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    respect

  • May 29, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by McClane_Corleone

    George Lucas ripped a lot for Star Wars. Hidden Fortress, Dune, Seven Samurai, Foundation, Lord of the Rings etc. The reason the Star Wars movies are awesome is because they're a mix of ripoffs from the sci-fi, fantasy, samurai, western genres that create a new whole film. Ask Lucas who his favorite filmaker is and I'll bet you my right testicle he says either Kurosawa, or John Ford, or both.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    The Long Good Friday

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    has been released at least twice on DVD here in the US. That exec has his head up his ass. Shocker.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    and it's a damn fine film

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    damn fine

  • May 29, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    hey!!! I'm American!!!

    by RokurGepta

    and I personally love foreign films. Some of my favorite films Amelie, City of Lost Children, Devils Backbone, Pan's Labrynth, City of God, Y Tu Mama Tambien, Amores Perros. Just to name a few off the top of my head. I politely ask that you please watch the films I just listed as they are incredible, simply incredible. <p> HUGS TO EVERYONE

  • May 29, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Kagemusha

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Lucas exec produced that. Who doesn't love Kurosawa?

  • May 29, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Long Good Friday is incomprehensible to USA filmgoers

    by Bronx Cheer

    because it's in freakin English! Seriously, pjdon, I realize you must be telling the truth, but jeesuym crow, this is why most films SUCK.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I own em all. Not bragging, just saying. I raise my glass of single malt scotch in your general direction.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    I went on a japanese film binge a few months back--

    by Bronx Cheer

    thanks to Netflix--and I tell you, Kurosawa was absolutely amazing, but in his league is Hiroshi Inagaki. The Samurai Trilogy is terrific.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Hidden Fortress

    by McClane_Corleone

    Hidden Fortress starts with the same scene, the pussy peasant bitching out the one who wants to go on an adventure. Then they help a general protect a princess and carry gold very far to give to the princesses army so she can defend her people from the empire. Sort of like the death star plans, sort of like obi-wan, sort of like Leia, but still, that's the basic plot of any old school adventure story. It's also the same storyline as Super Mario Brothers, but it's hardly the only, or even really the main, inspiration.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    I was shocked a bigger deal was not made of the Joker

    by Bronx Cheer

    pic. Perhaps people are gun shy over all the fake stuff we've been seeing, but that pic sure looks legit, and I like the look of the Joker.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Besides Shogun, has Mifune ever disappointed? I love Stray Dog, Red Beard and High and Low to name a few. I've actually got The Samurai Trilogy sitting my my mantle to be viewed this coming weekend. I haven't seen them in a good three years. Now I raise my glass to you sir.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Hey gang, this has been a pleasant change from the

    by Bronx Cheer

    insane business that was going on earlier. Thanks.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Joker

    by McClane_Corleone

    At first I hated the idea of the chelsea smile, but it's kind of grown on me, as long as he looks more like The Joker in that second pic and less like The Crow from the first one we saw.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I'm down with you hanging out for a minute. I always am. Hope you are doing well.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I just can't wait for that Batman Begins Remake.

    by lost.rules

    Hire Michael Bay to make the action sequences cooler.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Kurosawa

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Now you're in my territory... There have been several flicks directly inspired by Seven Samurai over the years, internationally. Magnificent Seven...really almost any movie with 7 in it. Pixar "Bug's Life" was even one. And there was more than just a few nods taken from "Samurai" for Star Wars. Katsushiro, the young would-be samurai, was an inspiration for Luke Skywalker himself. The village with all the ronin walking about mirrors Mos Eisley. The samurai's ineptness against the bandit's gun(new mechanized technology) mirrors the rebellion's ineptness against the Death Star. And yes, Can'tBe Named, Star Wars owes its existence to "Hidden Fortress." But back to Batman...

  • May 29, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Other foriegn films to check out:

    by pjdon

    Old Boy, Spring Summer Autum Winter and Spring, The Great Ecstacy of Robert Carmicheal (well it's British), Save The Green Planet, Japanese Story.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    lost.rules

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Gotham will be drenched in sunlight. Lens flare for everyone!

  • May 29, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    That pic from the Harvey Dent site was nicely creepy,

    by Bronx Cheer

    but the Joker is many things, and I have a tremendous amount of faith in the Nolans.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Old Boy

    by lost.rules

    Love that movie, and Tarantino should remake the American version.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Chishu

    by McClane_Corleone

    You could also make the same argument that Luke Skywalker is King Arthur and Obi-Wan/Yoda is Merlin. The great stories are the ones that span all cultures, something in our shared memory. This can't be denied as part of the reason these movies are so similar, and part of the reason they are able to touch so many people on the same level.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    WOW

    by RokurGepta

    I Just saw a preview for a new television show on the FX channel, it premiers on July 24th, at 10pm. It's called "Damages" it stars Glenn Close, it looks like it could be more than fairly entertaining.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Jarados posted earlier that the clown in the foreground

    by pjdon

    in the pic above is Batman in disguise. I like that idea, he infiltrates the gang and then springs on them in the bank.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    so good <P> And the Vengeance Trilogy is just ridiculous - mmmm mmmmmmm, so good. J.S.A. (Joint Security Area) exceeded my expectations. <P>Sword of Doom anyone?

  • May 29, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    pj

    by McClane_Corleone

    That would be a very Batman-esque tactic, and while it would be cool, I would probably assume that's the Joker before his chemical-bath. (or whatver causes his change.) They'll probably make him a bank-robber with a gimic who winds up scarred into looking like a clown. Oh the irony.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    yeah, there's a very simple formula for these movies

    by lost.rules

    Star Wars, The Matrix, Harry Potter, And tons and tons of others. Read A Hero with A Thousand Faces. Great book about the Hero's journey through the eyes of every culture that was written over fifty years ago. It's just the same story over and over again.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Oldboy stands strong

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    no remake/reenvisioning needed. I even like the film over the original manga, although it hasn't finished here in the states.....

  • May 29, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Oldboy stands strong

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    no remake/reenvisioning needed. I even like the film over the original manga, although it hasn't finished here in the states.....

  • May 29, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Japanese cinema is some of the best.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Their history is terrific source material, if I might abuse the term. I still think it's incredible how the Japanese people have managed to live their lives with the constant threat of all those damned monsters!

  • May 29, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    whoops, sorry about the double post

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I guess I really love Oldboy.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins is the best superhero movie ever.

    by Mandolorian

    There is nothing else to say. I do like the Joker tease though.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    J.S.A is a good film

    by pjdon

    Not seen Sword of doom.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Eh

    by McClane_Corleone

    Samurai are the Japanese version of American Cowboys. Probably even more closely related to European Knights, but for cinema's sake we'll say Cowboys. Anything you see on film is a purely idealized form of the real history.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    well since we're talking japanese....

    by RokurGepta

    and since I heart anime.... <p> If you enjoy watching Japanime, I recommend the works of Hayao Miyazaki. <p> My personal favorite from Miyazaki is "Spirited Away". Check it out, or any of his work out if you have the opportunity <p>

  • May 29, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Quick poll: I am thinking of changing my name.

    by Bronx Cheer

    I haven't lived in the Bronx in over a year, and while I live in Brooklyn now, I sort of like the dual meaning of Bronx Cheer. One being the raspberry noise that fans made at ball players they didn't like, and two being a very genial wish for good cheer coming to you from what was then the Bronx. The first five responses will weigh heavily in my decision-making process...thanks for playing.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Bronx

    by McClane_Corleone

    RedSoxFan1

  • May 29, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I agree. Japanese and if I may add Korean cinema far exceeds most American cinema. My personal and humble opinion - it's just my preference. I never bring it up since I love it so and tire of assholes talking shit about Asian cinema. It revered by many for good reason.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    The Hero finds out he's not like everyone else.

    by lost.rules

    He has a secret knowledge about the Truth of his world. He is "The Chosen One". He has A Master who teaches him to learn his special abilities. He destroys the Gate keeper, who is ruler of the underworld. He becomes Master of two worlds. The Hero either dies at the end of his journey, or lives and shares the secret knowledge with every one else. Oh, and it doesn't have to be a He. It can be woman as well, but there are slight variations in the female hero's journey. It's all the same. Also, Lord of the Rings, Narnia, and many others use this style of narrative.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Miyazaki's best film is My Neigbour Totoro

    by pjdon

    best kids film ever. So happy and nice. Really is perfect. Spirited Away comes close second.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I'm a big Jidaigeki/Chambara freak, so if that's you thing too, then I recommend Sword of Doom.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Don't change your name. I love it. Leave it.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer - Brooklyn Tear

    by pjdon

    or Brooklyn Queer...HA HA I said queer. Ha.<p>Korean cinema is probably the fastest growing film industry in the world. Did anyone see The Host.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Maybe someone can help me find a film I'm looking for

    by RokurGepta

    Several years ago I was hanging out with some Korean friends, and we watched part of a movie I "assume" it was Korean, but I'm not totally sure. <p> Anyway it seemed like some sort of psychologically murder mystery, i.e. "Se7en". All I really remember about the film, is some people go into an elevator, and there's a garbage bag in the corner of the elevator, and the bag burts open, spilling forth blood and body parts. <p> If anyone knows what film this is, and could please tell me the title, it would be greatly appreciated. <p> Thank You <p> HUGS TO EACH AND EVERYONE

  • May 29, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Sword of Doom kills. Agree on Korean cinema.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Wow, a talkback about movies. I always wanted a Batman film made in Japan. That would have been sweet.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    I am constantly surprised Bronx Queer isn't thrown

    by Bronx Cheer

    at me more than the once or twice it has been. Considering how uncivil the TBs can be sometimes, that's a pleasant surprise. If I was gay...hey, how many times have you started I sentence with "If I was gay...?" For instance, If I was gay, I would hit Ewan McGregor tell it bleeds!</p> <p>On second thought, let's just move on.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Its nice to know...

    by MotorcycleEmptiness

    that you're all so excited for the next Batman movie that you are'nt arguing over irrelevant stuff like Japanese Cinema.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    How about this:

    by pjdon

    The Dark Knight Returns<p>Produced by Paul Verhoven<p>Directed by Chan-wook Park (Old Boy)<p>Starring<p>Kurt Russell as Batman<p>Paul Newman as Commisioner Gordon<p>Richard E Grant as The Joker<p>Jessica Alba as Robin<p>Thats as far as I've got.

  • May 29, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    My Neighbor Totoro is, indeed, Miyazaki's finest. My daughter has watched that film a good 30-40 times within the last seven months. She loves it. And I just can't get sick of it. I even bought her the Children's Picture Book via Viz Media and the Art Book for myself. She loves that book as much as the film. I am still having difficulty finding the right Totoro and Neko Bus plush toys for the right price. Lots of merch out there and I must confess I haven't spent enough time on looking. Wish I could take her to the museum to play on the bus. She'd probably go nuts. <P>After that, I gotta say Nausicaa/Mononoke/Spirited tie three way style for me. My daughter loves my wife's Kodama sock hat i.e. it is now hers. Film's a little too severe for a three year old though.

  • May 29, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Gabriel

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Track down the Dark Horse "Thing" comics to find out what happens immediately after the film ends. You sound like a severe Thing fan like me, so I think it will be worth your time and money. John Higgins does the art for the first arc. Beautiful.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    McClane

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Yes, Kurosawa himself borrowed from Western Culture for his films, and you could say Lucas borrowed from a lot of stuff, but, I've said before, that in my estimate, Lucas owes about 65% of Star Wars:New Hope to "Hidden Fortress" and Kurosawa, a fact that hardly gets mention in official histories. Basically, take "Hidden Fortress", add in a Katsushiro (young apprentice character for the male audience), transcribe it to a galaxy, far, far away and you have "Star Wars." Besides the similarities you pointed out earlier, There's the two comedic peasants being captured to be used as slaves just like 3PO and R2, There's the epic sword duel between General Rokurota Makabe (Obi-Wan) and his old friend/nemesis General Tadokoro, just like you know what. There's Makabe's constant use of mind tricks over lesser characters, just like the Jedi mind trick, There's the use of the gun that signifies the encroachment and impending doom of mechanized technology over the old ways just like the Death Star, There's the award ceremony at the end of the film just like New Hope's. There's the idea that even the smallest weakest worst characters can make a difference for good, the two bumbling greedy peasants or General Tadokoro compared to 3PO/R2 or Han/Chewie, or even Darth Vader. General Tadokoro (our resident Darth Vader) redeems himself at the end and becomes Rokurota's friend again, saving both him and the Princess. Although that's from ROTJ, I'm mostly referring to New Hope, which would have been the only film had New Hope not done well, with Darth Vader's redemption left untold. So there you go.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed i can't wait to show

    by pjdon

    my child Miyazaki's films. They are so much more intelligent and full of wonder than Disney crap these days.<p>I love the idea of getting the art book etc for the child too.<p>Does she watch it subtitled? It's just that I don't find the youngest girl to be half as cute (and she is the cutest onscreen child in the history of cinema)when dubbed and it would be a great way to get a child reading.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Fuck the haters. I thought The Host was awesome - plot holes and all. I already have the collector's edition pre-ordered. The Korean DVD Special Edition is sick. Here I am blabbering. Did you even like it? Kang-ho Song, or however you write it, is one of my new favorite actors. I'll watch him in anything. Loved his performance, obviously, in The Host. I was actually lucky enough to see in on the big screen. I think it was only released to like 75 screens or something.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Nightmare Batman cast...

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>Neil Patrick Harris as Batman</p> <p>Gary Coleman is Robin</p> <p>Dennis Franz is Commission Gordon</p> <p>Crispin Glover is Alfred</p> <p>Howie Mandel is the Joker</p> <p>Halle Berry is Catwoman</p> <p>Martin Short is the Riddler</p> <p>I feel queezy.</p>

  • May 29, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Tell Me Something? H? Ugh, I can't recall. Have to watch those two again.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY Paul Verhoven

    by pjdon

    might have made a few bad moves but his device of using news clips to flesh out the social aspects of his films (see Robocop and starship Troopers) makes him a perfect match. TDKR is very close to Robocop in terms of style and subject.<p>Wasn't Frank Miller interested in writing Robocop 2 or something?

  • May 29, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY - Paul Verhoven

    by pjdon

    might have made a few bad moves but his device of using news clips to flesh out the social aspects of his films (see Robocop and starship Troopers) makes him a perfect match. TDKR is very close to Robocop in terms of style and subject.<p>Wasn't Frank Miller interested in writing Robocop 2 or something?.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Sorry double post

    by pjdon

    it said it wouldnt go through 1st time

  • May 29, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I would say about 20 percent of the time it's dubbed, the rest subbed. I agree, I'm one of those original language only freaks, but she's three and not reading yet. Give her time. She likes Kiki now though. Picked up those books for her and myself too. Nice.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed I didn't realise

    by pjdon

    there was much hate towards the Host.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Lucas was part of the 1st film school generation...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Filmmakers that made films based on an intense knowledge of previous films. Spielberg, Coppola, DePalma, and Scorsese were all part of this new generation. Almost all their films referenced other films heavily. DePalma took from Hitchcock. Spielberg took from sci-fi. Scorsese's "Taxi Driver" is an amalgamation of films by Robert Bresson, particularly "Pickpocket" except for that really bloody ending... and Lucas took from Kurosawa. Believe it.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Lucas was part of the 1st film school generation...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Filmmakers that made films based on an intense knowledge of previous films. Spielberg, Coppola, DePalma, and Scorsese were all part of this new generation. Almost all their films referenced other films heavily. DePalma took from Hitchcock. Spielberg took from sci-fi. Scorsese's "Taxi Driver" is an amalgamation of films by Robert Bresson, particularly "Pickpocket" except for that really bloody ending... and Lucas took from Kurosawa. Believe it.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    The haters on imdb are merciless towards The Host. But what do expect? Miller did write Robocop 2. Hollywood raped the hell out of it. A faithful script adaptation via sequential art just wrapped. Avatar. Nine issues of Miller/Grant/Ryp tightness. I enjoyed the hell out of it. His story finally realized in comic form is better than never at all. The collection is out there if you are interested.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Sloppy typing

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Sorry guys. You get the gist of what I'm attempting to say......

  • May 29, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    I very rarely take stock

    by pjdon

    in opinions on IMDB. Will check out avatar

  • May 29, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight Returns cast...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Adam West...Batman, William Shatner...Comm. Gordon (ret.), George Carlin ...Joker, Burt Ward...Two Face, Linda Carter...Selina Kyle, and featuring John Travolta as the New Robin...

  • May 29, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Frank Miller's Robocop

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Here you go pjdon <P> http://tinyurl.com/2g5ktq

  • May 29, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY I did know

    by pjdon

    that. Robocop is on the brink of being quite good. How much is an average workprint set you back?

  • May 29, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    DKR Joker Has To Be......................

    by Punch Man

    David Bowie.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    no...the real Dark Knight Returns cast...

    by moondoggy2u

    Batman: Alec Baldwin on a diet. Joker: Ralph Feines. Gordon: Stacy Keach. Two Face: doesn't matter. New Robin: doesn't matter.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Good one Punch Man, still prefer Richard E Grant though

    by pjdon

    Just looked over on Amazon at FM's Robocop and saw his Robocop v Terminator. Brought back memories of the old Megadrive (UK name for the Sega Genesis) game.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Well moondog Alec Baldwin is...

    by pjdon

    'The greatest actor in the world'

  • May 29, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by RokurGepta

    Thank You!! Yes! It's gotta be Tell Me Something! That name definately rings a bell, thank you thank you thank you

  • May 29, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY can't view youtube at work

    by pjdon

    also it was just the publiser avatar we where reffering to but the Avatar poster does interest me. Don't suppose you have a link to windows media playa version?

  • May 29, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    GABRIEL GRAY how about Hudson Hawk?

    by pjdon

    or Teen Wolf? Just kidding.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    To all the ones talking about Starwars earlier

    by pjdon

    have you seen this months issue of Empire magazine? They made 30 different covers each with a different character on. Heres a link to their web site http://tinyurl.com/3cfaus

  • May 29, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    I worked out it would cost me over 200 pounds to buy

    by pjdon

    them all. I was stood in the newsagents for about an hour trying to decide (Han Solo in the end of course).<p>It was like that scene in Family Guy where Peter is in the video shop trying to decide which Ernest film to rent.

  • May 29, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Okay, a badass DKR cast...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Ray Winstone(-30 lbs)...Bruce Wayne/Batman, Tim Roth...Joker, Gary Oldman...Two-Face, Alfred Molina...Comm. Gordon, Judy Davis...Selina Kyle, David Warner...Alfred, David Bowie(digitally altered)...Superman, and Little Miss Sunshine as the New Robin...

  • May 30, 2007, midnight CST

    Chishu_Ryu perfect except

    by pjdon

    CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN should play Robin.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    A David Fincher Batman is a great idea

    by pjdon

    with Billy Dee Williams as Batman

  • May 30, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Children of Fucking Men...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...as the Mutant Leader, and sorry, but this year's Little Miss Sunshine is New Robin...

  • May 30, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    supercowbell 2 return of the cowbell

    by pjdon

    ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Sorry we're closing sir.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:30 a.m. CST

    BAAATMAN, BAAATMAN...

    by pjdon

    FRIENDLY NEIGHBOURHOOD BAAAATMAN!

  • May 30, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    And then Ron Howard shit all over it with Ransom. High and Low, Rashomon and Ikiru are personal favs when speaking of Kurosawa. I haven't seen all his stuff, but I own most of it. I guess I'm a Kurosawa fanboy. High and Low really is the shit and I recommend it to anyone and everyone.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    RokurGepta

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    My pleasure. Exploding Body Bags = Tell Me Something

  • May 30, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    BSB and HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by pjdon

    I ahven't actually seen High and Low. You know when there is a film that you keep meaning to watch for years but you never get round to it. I had it out on dvd twice, 1st time it didn't work and 2nd time I was just putting it on and my tv blew.<p>It's like a wierd Kurosawa curse or something.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed never heard of that film

    by pjdon

    but just found it and ordered it on Amazon for a fiver. Looks good. Thanks for the recomondation.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST

    pjdon

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Hope you like it. One of the first Korean films I experienced. No shit.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Enjoyed the chat

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Got to hit the sack. It's almost 1 a.m. here and the little one will be up in about five hours. Be well guys/gals.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST

    It just amazes me how many good Korean fils there are

    by pjdon

    it has easily overtaken Japanese cinema as the cult favorite. Have you seen Save the Green Planet. It is easily as good as old boy and really defies catagorization. In a way it is also a sequal/prequal to 2001: A Space Oddysey, watch it and by the end you will realize why. Also the entire soundtrack is made up of different versions of Somewhere Over The Rainbow

  • May 30, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    I need to go away too

    by pjdon

    it is 7.00 in the morning here in the UK and I have just finished work.<p>Really good TB tonight, good to see all the love and hugs.<p>Laterz all.

  • May 30, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    supercowbell

    by Chishu_Ryu

    get a job!

  • May 30, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Good work, everyone

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    This was a good talkback - shame I missed so much of it. I'm glad to see the power of positivity was able to overwhelm that Gabriel guy and turn him back to the good side.<p>Also, I think we have all decided that Batman Returns is the superior film (snicker).

  • May 30, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Casting the dark knight returns

    by WolfmanNards

    Mickey Rourke as BATMAN Bruce Campbell as SUPERMAN

  • May 30, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    clear something up

    by jinnjab

    Whoever said Superman: the Movie was campy needs to watch the "Making of..." again and listen to what Tom Mankiewicz had to say about that exact topic. (Or simply look up the meaning of the word.)

  • May 30, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    1st pic looks like one of his goons

    by palewook

    think the 2nd image is the joker

  • May 30, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Anthony Michael Hall

    by Colonel Activity

    any idea of what he's playing? Is there any chance his character will fuck a cat at some point in the movie?

  • May 30, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Where can I read this script or a synopsis?

    by Colonel Activity

    and is there any mention of cat fucking? I think that the concept is hilarious...

  • May 30, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Messi

    by jinnjab

    I don't agree at all. Funny doesn't mean campy. A good example of campy would be the 60's Batman TV show or the films of John Waters, not this film. It simply had a sense of humor about itself and great comedic performances.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Joker mask and underneath is a Joker face!

    by riskebiz

    I think the Joker wears a clown mask and when he takes it off in front of a guard, it reveals that the face underneath is grotesquely like the mask itself. This pic on this page looks like a Joker halloween mask on a person and the angle looks like he is talking over someone. I read somewhere online that this is how the Joker reveals his face.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    the second image

    by riskebiz

    that's the one I'm referring to.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Yet again- Where is the 2nd Image From?

    by Lour Reed luvs Frank Zappa

    It isnt on the USA Today Website

  • May 30, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    The Joker's smile

    by kbaker13

    I just finished watching Pan's Labrynth(?) and if you haven't seen the movie yet SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER towards the end of the movie when Mercedes sticks the knife in the Captain's mouth and cuts him, the scar that remains is this perfect curled up half smile. I couldn't help but think that that is how the Joker should look. The smile (even though it was only half of his mouth) was perfect and very creepy looking the way it curled up at the end. I can see the Joker taking a knife and slitting his mouth the same way and he would have a perfect permanent smile. Anyone who has seen this movie think the same?

  • May 30, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by Yack Backer

    Hey man, sorry I went to bed shortly after posting last night. Things are good by me, how are ya?

  • May 30, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    riskebiz

    by torontoxic

    nope

  • May 30, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    messi

    by JDanielP

    It's not that I feel that "BATMAN BEGINS" had absolutely no style. It's not that I feel that it had no beautiful shots, because there were a few. As you mentioned, there were some nice shots in the mountains, including the flags. And personally, my favorite shot was when Batman dropped down within the stairwell, with his cape out wide (as there had to be some exaggeration there, with the use of a larger cape, specifically for that shot). That was an absolutely beautiful shot. I LOVED that shot. You've got to have those Batman money-shots, you know? I feel that Nolan's lifelike approach leans a little too close to reality in visual terms, with not enough visual entertainment, from that artistic perspective. I love David Fincher's cinematic eye because even within the bounds of a story based on real life (or reality), within a real city, he STILL manages to make his movies beautiful to look at,...even if what is being presented is quite disturbing. His movies, however you feel about the stories he tells, are visually exciting. I just LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the guy's eye for the camera...and what he shows within it. He has an artist's eye, as does Peter Jackson,...yet Jackson is on another end of the spectrum. Basically,...Batman movies should LOOK the coolest of cool,...in a nerd trying to be cool speak.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    No sweat. Life is good here. Taking my daughter to zoo after lunch. <P><P> <br>........................<br> <P><P>"Take her to the zoo, I hear retards like the zoo."<P><P> <br>.......................</br> <P><P>My daughter is thankfully no retard, but any time I mention the zoo that line pops into my sad, juvenile mind. Sigh. <P> We're bound to run into each other in the future. Certainly after 7/4/7. AICN may even implode around that time. Should be a riot. <P>Be well.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    AMH MUST BE JULIAN DAY: THE CALENDER MAN!!!

    by Err

    He must!

  • May 30, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    While I see everyone's point,

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I just didn't have any problems with Batman Begins. I really thought it was high grade entertainment. My only problem was Katie Holmes. Just a little too irksome for me. I can't really say why, I just don't like her. Glad she's moved on. <P>Regardless, despite the fact that I understand and see all the points/observations/critiques, I just can't fully subscribe to them regarding this film. I don't disagree with them all, I just don't share the same feelings so to speak. Point of fact, I thought the fight sequences were great. I have no issues with the so called shaky cam (Bourne, Gladiator, Man on Fire, Domino et. al.). But that's just me i.e. a simple man. I guess the whole point of this diatribe is that I love this site due mostly to the fact that there are so many viewpoints out there which are shared. You ladies and gentlemen bring many things to light that I would normally overlook which ultimately garners a greater appreciation of film for me. <P>I really hope the Nolan brothers knock this one out of the park. I really do. This looks to be something kick ass on all levels. As does Iron Man. Thanks for reading.

  • May 30, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Shaky Cam redux

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I should also add that while I don't mind it, I do prefer the style of Oldboy and Children of Men. And speaking of shaky cam, bring on The Bourne Ultimatum! Truly the one summer film I am looking forward too.

  • May 30, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by just pillow talk

    I most certainly agree with you on Dark Knight & Iron Man. I don't think I've ever looked forward so much to TWO comic book movies in the SAME year. Please don't make me weep like a little girl in disappointment..<p>And the Bourne Ultimatum, if it's like the first two, will be great. For me, Damon is so great in that role, even though others on this site didn't buy him as an assassin.

  • May 30, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Pan's Labrynth and the Joker's Smile

    by RokurGepta

    I have to agree, specially now that I've seen pictures of the Joker's face thanks to the viral campaign. I think we have a clear picture of what the joker will look like, I don't know why there's any question about it anymore.

  • May 30, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Messi, think of the bit where he takes

    by pjdon

    down the thugs who he takes the ciggerette from in OLD BOY ('can 15 years of imaginary training be put to use?'...'Apparently it can') but with Batman. It's more brawling than martial arts but I always thought Batman shoulsd have a bit of a brawler style instead of clean martial arts style.

  • May 30, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by pjdon

    If you do see a retard at the zoo point out to its minder that retards love the zoo and see what happens.<p>Go on just for a laugh.<p>And don't let the wee one see any wanking chimps

  • May 30, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I think my way of looking at it is Messi

    by pjdon

    is that the film should be from Batmans perspective not the thugs. I love in BB when he is snatching the guy into the cargo holder and stuff but when he begins actually fighting them and its all just flashes is lacks any intensity. Like I said it's kind of like the fight training Nolan put him through was a bit of a waste.

  • May 30, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Just Pillow Talk

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I am happy at least someone else on this site thinks so. Damon = Bourne. No debate. I totally concur. He's just so right and I am a big fan of Damon. I really don't care that the films are nothing like the books. I just pretend they are ElseWorld Tales. They're just so good to me. <P>No doubt about the TWO comic book films in one year thought. Suffice it to say, I will be shocked as shit if one or both fail. *crosses fingers*

  • May 30, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    Total. Fucking. Destruction.

  • May 30, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    secret fighting clans in the Alps

    by ArcadianDS

    fools - those aren't ninjas. Did you completely fall asleep during A League of Extrodinary Gentleman (nevermind, thats not a fair question - we all did).<p> Anyway, that made it pretty clear that Ninjas train somewhere else, because the only thing training in the Alps is Professor Moriarty and his robot patrol.

  • May 30, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    The Joker's Face

    by MrDuke118

    Fuck it boys and girls, if its a good film we wont be complaining anymore. Im drunk and Irish and proud of it u cunts. Sorry cunt was strong but hey, as Ive said - Irish. We have a way with words

  • May 31, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    i wish AAronofsky would get to do Bats

    by pipergates

    Having just now seen the Fountain, what a beautiful movie. Does anybody know where to find the script he and Miller did for their Bat-film version? He's about the only one i could see do do as good a job as Nolan. Possibly more breathtaking, probably less commercially successful. Thanx Supercowbell for the hi-res, is looking very fragging good.Nyahahaha.one year to wait.Buhuuuuu.

  • June 1, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Here you go, t.piper.gates.

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    http://tinyurl.com/8jtnu<p>It's not bad - definitely a more badass, violent type of Batman, which is what you'd expect from Frank Miller. I'm not a huge fan of that super-exaggerated macho thing he does, but Miller fans would probably have liked his take on the film. It's not for kids, though, and I'm not surprised they never made it. Who do you sell a film like that to? (apart from AICN types who always want everything to be R rated)

  • June 1, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST

    muchas gracias Marmoset

    by pipergates

    Very much appreciated. More badass & violent sounds very good to me. I also find Miller a bit flat and repetitive, but he is good at telling a dark yarn and be striking. I bet Aaronofsky would have infused the thing with a lot of depth. Considering how for instance 300 did very well being bloody, i think it goes to show that a lot of comic fans have grown up and want a serious and all-out take on their comic heroes. People are bored with everything being kid-friendly these days. I mean apart from all the kids that loved Spidey...Started reading the script, it sounds like a radically altered Elseworld with a lot of liberties taken..

  • June 2, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    the phantom meets charles bronson

    by pipergates

    Is what that script made me think. First i was a bit amused, and annoyed at the glaring changes made in the basic premise of the Bat universe. But in the end i was impressed and awed. I think Miller crafted a primal Batman here, and Aaronofsky would have made it into an immortal classic noir film. Studios are wimps and are lucky to ever make a hit.

  • June 3, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    no one can top jack nicholson!

    by roccotheripper

    ill still watch it tho