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Imax Joker? Pics and interesting DARK KNIGHT info here!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. So, we've seen the scarred Joker pic at the viral website a week or more back, now here's a couple production stills released along with the news that Chris Nolan is filming four of the big action sequences in THE DARK KNIGHT with the Imax 70mm cameras, including the introduction of the Joker. Check out the pics below and click it to visit USA Today (thanks to KevinInChains for the heads up), where the news and pic broke!
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Is he in a gang who wear these pre-scarring or summat?
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That's gotta be Joker in the background, not dude in the front.
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Did I miss something? I thought the Joker's face was his own...
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purple jacket.
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Thats what I would expect.
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He's wearing purple.
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It will looks spectacular. I just hope Nolan doesn't use the horrible quick cuts in the fight scenes to hide the lack of choreography.
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Everything we've seen so far is something you wouldn't expect.We don't want the same old same old. Plus, I trust Nolan. For those who don't I suggest you watch The Prestige.
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but I hope this one is a bit more emotional. Like Spiderman 2, except not as much. If that makes sense.
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Fascinating....
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At comingsoon.net they have an actual picture of the Joker, but I guess it's more of a reflection and his hair is somewhat "frizzed" or something, but I really like it. Heres the link http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=20673
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Alfred hasn't been making mortgage payments and has to sell house?
Bruce loses his pizza delivery job?
And Rachel Dawes dumps him/leaves the film to act in a Queen Latifah movie?
It is hard being Batman.
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You are, aren't you?
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Simply put, Bale is the best you can hope for. Chris is a master craftsman. It's almost too good for the people. As watered down as movies are. It's a rarity that we get to see a grand project. I'm going out on an edge here but I'll say this will blow peoples hair back! e.g. Jordan out on the court playing during his peak! Words can't come to mind about this project. This is what film is supposed to be when it's done right! I haven't been this excited about a picture since Bagger Vance. Now, of course I was let down w/ that one. Being a die hard Redford fan and having been one of the few books I had read before the film. But I get the feeling about this one justthesame.
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I dunno. I'm still not a fan of the panda bear look for the Joker but the hair looks decent in the other pic. I think he's the shooter in this one too. There's a greenness above his head that could be hair.
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. Batman Begins....second place. And we all know that second place is just another expression for loser. However, Batman could whoop Spidey's whiny ass! And Superman's stalker ass. And Wolverine's pissed off ass. And...well, pretty much everybody. Except Human Fly. He Rocks!
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May 29, 2007 1:49:07 AM CDT
Motoko's disbelief is directed to GQ's Bagger Vance com
by george newman
heh. I don't want to dig at your excitement for a movie treatment of a book you liked, it's just that the thought of The Legend of Bagger Vance is hilarious.
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Didn't see that second image before. SWEET! God, I wish there was IMAX theater nearby.
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The mask one. Make that the Joker. It's a bold move. Maybe under the mask, it could be Ving Rhames or something. I like Ving Rhames. He was great in Striptease.Also, that comment above about Batman Begins being like a David Mamet film - that was joke, right?
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I do have to drive an extra 40 minutes and the popcorn sucks but it makes any movie playing seem just a little better. A little surprised that Transformers isn't going to be released on IMAX screens at all (or are they? Haven't really heard either way). I will be putting my arse in a seat with a horrible bag of popcorn for The Dark Knight.
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the green hair. also looks like his lip makeup goes up to his ears.
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Unless they take it right out of Alan Moore's the Killing Joke.
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...comicbook movie ever. Are you high?! The first Superman is No 1 and anybody who knows anything would agree.
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Unintentionally / Intentionally, either way Supes 1 gets rather hokey. Spidey 2 has jokes, sure, but its not intentionally bad. I agree. Spidey 2 is the best, (even if its vibe is very similar to Superman 2, it still has less cheese to it), everyone else is varying degrees of close second.
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It's Superman 2 that's the greatest of all time, the benchmark, THE bar.
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I really liked Spidey 2 a lot but there's no way I can say it's better than the foundation of all comic book movies, Donner's Superman. As for the camp factor, it's going to be there. It's hard for any movie where your main character throws on tights to fight crime not to be a little campy. Even so, all you have to do is read the source material, which is your silver age Superman comic books and the movie, if anything, toned down the campiness from the comics. Spidey 2 might be a top 5 comic book film but it hasn't dethroned Superman.
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. That's why it'll never be the best. That and Lois Lane is annoying. In fact all the superheroes love interests are annoying. Let's face it. There just aren't many good comic book adaptations out there. i think Spidey 2 is the best, but it could surely be outdone. Hopefully Nolan can pull it off. And Yes Batman Begins is like a Mamet film. All the characters speak in monotone, and the actors dispaly very little emotion. Which is not a bad thing, but Mamet is an accuired taste. Spartan Rules! As does House of Games!
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Why is nobody reacting very strongly to the first confirmed full shot of Heath in full Jokerdom?
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of all time. As is Batman the greatest hero. Superman isn't even a man! And Batman didn't have to be bitten by a radioactive spider to become cool. He's just a man. That's what so fucking cool about him. I really hope this movie kicks ass!
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Don't throw all your tomatoes at me at once, its really a matter of inches here. But, damn, Returns may not be the most faithful adaptation ever made, but its So. Fucked. Up. All of the actors are pretty top notch (DeVito is basically a horrific monster Phiefer is just alternately insane / sexy / and heartbreaking) And I'm not even a huge fan of Burton's original Batman, but I love the 2nd one. (though, for the record, my favourite Bats movie is "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" and my love of "Returns" was really spurned on by Moriarty's passionate defense of it in his 90s List posted about 500 years ago). Anyway, I'll go hide now.
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Parker should have gone after the much hotter Betty Brandt aka Elizabeth Banks in the movie. Or even the beanpole gal living next door... atleast she makes cookies.
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Y'see, that just doesn't make sense.
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And from that perspective, it is a good movie Tallboy66. Don't hide. It's alright to like Batman Returns. Now if you had said Batman and Robin....God help you!
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Batman!??? He's basically a good guy who is boring and dull. You dropped the ball, Tim.
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books. So after reading it and being forever a Redford fan I thought it was a can't miss. unbeknownced to me Robert totally f'ed up w/ sentalmentality and went overboard. I think it would have been better if he stayed w/ his initital thoughts and actally played the part himself and had Morgan Freeman play Bagger. Should have gone another direction. But this wasn't the first time somebody f'ed a sure thing.
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it's just plain oddness.
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I love that Christopher Nolan treats the Batman property with such respect and reverence. And he is definitely inspired. Shooting entire scenes of THE DARK KNIGHT in IMAX is bold and exciting. I have a good feeling this is going to be a fantastic film, a gift to Batman fans.
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A tie between CATWOMAN and ELEKTRAJust kidding :P
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It would be brillaint if they shot a Harvey Dent for D.A. advertisement that gets spliced up by the Joker. Make it as creepy as possible and I will fall in love with this movie.
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Batman Begins has its moments (the rescue at Arkham Asylum being the highlight for me), but I much prefer Batman Returns. People often slate it for its daftness, but Burton knew it was a mistake to take the Batman world too seriously. Burton made a fantasy film (also, a fantastic freakshow of oddballs and misfits), whereas Nolan justs beats you over the head with exposition.Plus, it has penguins that shoot rockets from their backs!
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oops...wrong talkback?
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I've said it before...there is nothing like seeing a movie in IMAX! And it seems that WB gets that more than any other studio. They've released more films in IMAX than any others. (Sony is a close second, as long as it's a Spidey film) Maybe these scenes will be in 3D IMAX, too? (I hope, I hope, I hope!)
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Pheifer's Catwoman was a HUGE plus for the movie. So hot. DeVito's Penguin was a psychotic, circus freakshow runnin' pervert. How cool is that? Plus, any Batman movie where they can make the Penguin seem like a threat is saying a lot. I loved the look of Gotham in winter. Bay's Leatherface was Chris Walken's son in the movie. And my personal favorite... Batman blew up a clown in the beginning of the movie. Very nice.
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To all theatres of this world
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Danny DeVito was one hell of a fantastic pinguin!! Returns is a great film and much better then the first Batman movie.
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Sounds like a word Jar-Jar Binks would use. Anyway, The villians in Burton's films were pretty good. But he totally ignored Batman! Nolan, got it right. His movie entirely focuses on the Bats. But to those naysayers who are worried about the Joker, let me just say this. SCARECROW! Nolan, and Cillian Murphy, nailed the Scarecrow. I mean they nalied it! He's over the top at times, but at the right times. I'm sorry, but I think you guys can stop worrying about the Joker. Nolan and Ledger are going to pull it off. Trust me. Nolan actually cares about the Joker. Just read the USA Today article. One of the reasons he is doing IMAX is to give the Joker a big entrance. As he does deserve. And they gave Heath The Killing Joke as a reference for what they wanted for The Joker. Perfect. Just Perfect. All of us should be really hyped for this film. i know I am.
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Well, not quite equal, but too close to call. What? I liked Forever.
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from the punisher TB's a while back...don't think you saw it...
Messi, Have You Even Seen Children Of Men, Or...
by Buzz Maverik May 18th, 2007
06:03:58 PM
...Saving Private Ryan, or read the Punisher? And if you have, how much did you really comprehend? These are ridiculous connections.
CHILDREN OF MEN was dystopian drama, it was todays headlines taken to the worst case scenario. SAVING PRIVATE RYAN was about the horrors of a war that has been nostalgized, progandized and glossed over for more than half a century.
THE PUNISHER is a comic book full of revenge and power fantasies. It is for boys who wish they were men. There's nothing wrong with that. We all need that sometimes, but you're not talking about something truly dark and powerful, you're talking about a version of something dark and powerful for kids.
THE PUNISHER was created in the 70s to capitalize on the success of such films as DEATH WISH and DIRTY HARRY. There's also elements of the DESTROYER and EXECUTIONER novel series in there.
For comic books, it's very realistic and gritty. For movies...it's nothing special. That's why the movies bomb. Dig it, Stallone's COBRA sucked and a PUNISHER movie would be lucky to be as "realistic" as COBRA.
I like violent movies. I think violence is necessary in some movies. Like Tarantino has said, I have no more problem with violence in movies than I do with dance numbers in movies (except for SPIDER-MAN 3). But at best, the PUNISHER isn't going to ever be more than an adolescent fantasy. That's okay. They make good movies, but not fine films.
You want a realistic vigilante movie? TAXI DRIVER. The guy was nuts, a bigger menace than everybody he killed, a threat to society and no fun at all. Brilliant film. Put a skull on Travis' chest, let him outwit even one person and you'd have a straight to DVD Segal flick.
Comic book gritty equals stupid on celluloid. People thought SIN CITY was a "dark, grim, gritty comic that brought realism...blah..blah...blah.." It was done the only way it could work.
Currently, as written by Ennis, the book specializes in black humor. It works and black humor would work onscreen but if you make it three dimensional, it's automatically going to start being stylized and bigger than life. And no, panel for panel recreations aren't what I'd do. Hell, I was sick of the recreations by 300 and hope that any other Frank Miller movie is made without them.
But I will say that there hasn't been a PUNISHER movie yet that matched either SIN CITY or 300, which you brought up.
I think a better analogy for a PUNISHER movie would be...POCAHANTAS. Yep, the Disney cartoon. The filmmakers had to seriously consider why they were animating the story. There wasn't any magic or talking animals or much that lent itself to animation. Then, they did the waterfall dive sequence. Somehow, the dive became something that no real human could survive. Bigger than life. Like Marv's encounter with police cars in SIN CITY.
Forget a CHILDREN OF MEN or SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. Won't happen. The thing to do is to avoid it being COBRA, or Steven Segal's MARKED FOR DEADLY TERRITORY or Van Damme's DOUBLE TWIN IMPACT. Or Dolph Lundgren's PUNISHER or even the last PUNISHER. This material needs a hook, needs visual power, needs a reason to exist or it's not going to be any good on its' own merits. It's neither realistic or fanciful by itself.
Finally, since you keep bringing it up, I have to tell you, man, it's no big deal to me that I'm not echoing your opinion or a group consensus. When a guy's balls drop, he starts thinking for himself. -
I just remembered seeing this, after the TB was pretty much dead, and thinking of Messi. I'm certainly not trying to make a point about anything.although that TB DID have a great point I made about one scene in Man on Fire being a Punisher scene.and I'm done.
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Not so much. Oh, well. One more year for this flick, anyway.
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Yep. Gotta agree. Superman 1 is THE best superhero movie (as is most of Supes 2, at least the bit Donner directed). After watching every recent effort, I've come to the conclusion that nobody'll top it. It has everything, great drama, humour, romance in the right measure and feels right. Spiderman... gimme a break! As for Nolan shooting in IMAX, suddenly, this movie has gotten a whole lot more interesting. Now that's my kinda hi definition! Kudos Mr Nolan. You've come a long way from shooting in black and white 16mm!
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Here's my list of Batman films that didn't suck:
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posts should be limited to 10-or-so lines. Those 70 lines/6000 words posts suck. Hard.
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To be considered the best. Town Square feels like it's on the set of an AV Club- produced high school news set. Begins was the first movie to really open up the world, which was a definite bonus. I have to say that I really didn't like Returns when I first saw it. It's since grown on me, despite the serious mis-characterizations of all involved and the overdependence on Christopher Walken. Begins is such a different film from the Burton/Schumacher series that it's really hard to compare them but I'd put Begins at the top, followed by Batman (though there were character problems in this also and too much focus on Nicholson as Nicholson...errr...the Joker), Batman Returns a really, really close third, and of course Forever (ugh, Goldsman, lay off scripts, you hack) and B&R.
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Tim Burton had too much control in the sequel. the danny elfman music with its boys choir singing la la la la la! It was creepy clowns and deformed people. fake looking sets. it was a nightmare before batman.
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That movie might be the closest perfect comic book movie the more I think about it.
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With Batman Returns, I enjoy watching the whole film. It may have a few flaws, but it's consistent and knows what it wants to be. Plus, I think Batman works better in the kind of stylised, hyper-real world Burton created.With Begins, whenever I've had the chance to see it again, I always skip past the first hour or so. All those scenes explaining where things come from... gak. I just don't want to see it. Credit me with a little imagination - I don't need to see Bruce Wayne test-driving the Batmobile or hand-crafting his ninja star thingies. I can fill in the blanks for myself.That said, I'm looking forward to The Dark Knight quite a bit. My hope is they can forget all the exposition for the sequel and just get on with telling a good story. Also, I like the way they're going with The Joker. I've been wanting to see the character I remember from the comics - that crazy, sick bastard who beat Robin to death with a crowbar. There was a certain amount of fun in watching Nicholson camp it up, but he was never The Joker to me. Nolan seems like the kind of guy who would do something much darker and more menacing.
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I don't know the comics well enough to speak about the characterizations you mentioned...but in terms of the sets and the "world" of the film, I totally agree abotu Returns...it felt like they were spending money left and right on every other thing, and the one thing that kept getting pared down more and more was the set for Town Square. and Burton wanted to be able to pan around and track wherever he wanted on the bridge, in the sewers, etc. but the tOWN SQUARE SCENES were pretty straight forward, so cut em up!ended up looking fine for my eyes as a kid, but now as a film school graduate, I watch it and cringe...
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Ugh! Yet, another reason to hate that son of a bitch! I hate you, fucker. Oh, and these pictures kick ass. Michael Bay=worst director. Goldsman=worst screenwriter!
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First off I thought the Scarecrow was perfect. I don't think the design was horrible especially compared to the Green Goblin. Also have to keep in mind that he was also just the hired hand and not the main villain. Ra's Al Ghul was. As for goons wearing masks during a bank robbery... doesn't that happen in real life? Masked bank robberies have been going on since the Old West from what I remembered.
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I'm worried about that. The Greatest Musical Ever Made, and Burton is directing it. Worried. Very Worried!:( Sondheim Rules!
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Those masks look like something out of a horror movie. This is going to be a really disturbing Batman movie!! I cant wait!!
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I'm just worried that the Joker won't have his right-hand man, Bob the goon, in the Dark Knight. Sigh. All I remember is that he might be the worst action figure ever that I got for Christmas. Bob the goon. Sigh.
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Maybe, Batman will get his throat slit and get stuffed into a meat pie in Burton's version of Sweeny Todd. God, he better not fuck that film up. As much as i love Ed Wood, I will never forgive him if he screws up Sweeny Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street.
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Such good taste! (A Little Priest)
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Christian.... fucking... Bale for starters.
Burton gets some credit for the first flick... the intro to that movie with the criminals up on the roof is fucking great. But whoever was above me that said it was Nightmare Before Batman was dead on... it was just way too much.
I dunno, being a huge Batman nerd, I really digged the attempt at realism that Nolan went for with Begins. Least of all because it's a good counter to the WAY over stylized last three attempts. He's obviously really trying to make these as immersive for the audience as possible not just with the IMAX scenes, but how he treats the mythos of the character and the villians.
Mix that in with an awesome supporting cast, a well paced origin story, I don't see how anybody could think Returns was better than Begins, bold attempt or not.
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He didnt even really become the psychotic "scarecrow" until the end when he was on the horse. These movies are about character development, god forbid we see a realistic approach to a comic book movie. I, for one, would have hated to see hay coming from his sleeves and carrying a sickle the first time we see him.
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I can see where you're coming from, and on repeat viewings the origin may get a little rigorous. But I remember the first time I watched the thing... dear god... I ate that crap up like it was White Castle.
I also don't think you have very much to worry about in regards to getting your hopes up for TDK... I mean for Christ's sakes... the name of the movie alone gives me a geekgasm. It's been pretty heavily reported that this isn't going to be half joker origin movie half batman movie, it's going to leave it pretty ambiuous pre-deformity. -
"Is it really good?" "Sir, it's too good at least. Then again, they don't commit sins of the flesh. So, it's very fresh." DON'T FUCK THIS UP TIM BURTON! OR I WILL MAKE YOU EAT YOUR PARENTS!
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Ledger played a gay cowboy...comic books are gay...I see a trend here...I think Ledger will be great!
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But we're all equal, with our erogenous zones blown sky high.
There were some pretty stupid parts and batman was one-dimensional, but it's clearly the most fun of the series as well as being gruesome and overtly sexual. (+2)
Plus Christopher Walken is present. (+1)
I wanted to like Batman Begins but they spent too much time in the snow talking about boring shit and too little time in Gotham flying around the shadows.
And how hard to please was that Rachel Dawes chick!? First he's not good enough because he's not fighting crime, then he's too batmanny for her tastes? You can't win with this chick! Cantrast that with Catwoman pretty much getting all S&M on that ass at the drop of a napalm.
There's also a fundamental problem with "Begins" trying to explain every detail of something that's implausible to start with.
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That first pic is obviously a pre Joker mask most likely to cover the guys face in a robbery.. jeez wake up!.. anyway this is so not interesting.. Anyway I don't normaly post here.. except when folk are being ijits!
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Imax images on non imax screens. I cant see how that will work but I like what i am seeing so far.
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Takes me back to my teenage years. C-60 and C-90 and whatnot. Are they still in business?Anyway, each to their own, FilmZ0mbie. I am excited about TDK, though (not the tapes this time). I like the casting of Ledger, mostly because he's not the comic type. You know they didn't give him the role because they're expecting him to camp it up and do a bunch of loony mugging (ala Jack Nicholson and Jim Carrey). Hopefully, they've cast him because he's capable of being scary crazy rather than silly crazy.
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pardon?if you ever called me a bad name, I've more than forgotten it. (I drink a lot)why do you ask?I came to your defense recently AND copied and pasted a response to a post you'd made that I thought you hadn't seen.but...if you hate any of the following we might have exchanged words:Studio60The West WingAaron SorkinThe Coen BrothersDavid Sedarisself-promotionDavid FincherSteven SoderburghSushiLiberalismOcean's 12girls finishing BJ's with a handjob instead of swallowingDiet Cokesnooze alarmsRed Hot Chili PeppersEqual Rightstongue kissingsparefilms.comcollecting shells from the beachare we good?
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The '66 Batman movie is the best film of all time, period! :D Apart from that gem, I still love the Burton Batmans - they're my fave comic book films. So there.
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I totally dig it there is no rason to use punctution unless of course you want people t least people on this site to follow what you're saying but still I dig your style and who care if no one understands what you're saying you're probably too much of a genius anyway to conform to the rules of society as they relate to punctuation so rock on rockstar actually I'm being sarcastic you ass
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he's putting everythoing into giving us the best Joker experience he can. This is going to rock and roll unlike any other super movie.
As for Batman returns, i loved it when i saw it on the big screen at age 17, ive been a batman comic book nut since i was a baby so it was a real kick seeing batman fighting Catwoman up on the rooftops but nowadays i dont watch it so much , Begins trumps all, i never liked the hyper reality of the 90's movies, i always wanted them more real world like the Superman, not all movie sets.
Oh yeah, emeraldboy, as to IMAX on the small screen the USA article the pictures link to tells you the IMAX image will lokk somethig like Hi-def tv on a regular theatre screen, itsa all good. I saw BEgins in the IMAX in Glasgow and thought it looked the wrong screen ratio and murky, exactly what the USAtoday article says can happen when a regular film is stratched for an IMAX screen. Nolan is doin us good. -
I apologyze u r actually a genius I wuz dum 2 think ur intellekt kud be contayned bi the normul rulez of writin u r awsum!
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Probably. It's just too damn big for me, though. Gives me a headache.Also, is Christopher Nolan just little bit over-rated? Memento is one of my favourite films, but it seems like he's never going to do anything that great again. Insomnia? Ordinary. Batman Begins? Decent if unspectacular. The Prestige? Not bad, until it went all wrong at the end. I don't mean to slate the guy - he's never made anything shit, which is an impressive acheivement - but is he as great as people reckon?
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He's been using Brand Xxxxxxx....
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It's a flaw of the film, I think. They spend all that time taking the Batman world very, very seriously - and then the twirly mustached villain turns up with his high-tech doomsday device (and possibly to tie the hero's best girl to some train tracks). Ordinarily, I don't mind silliness, but I found the switch of tone a bit jarring in Begins.
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Wearing those 3-D goggles for too long will make my brain throb like crazy. As for Nolan, I think he's a very good director who's on the cusp of being a great director. I'm hoping that The Dark Knight might be that movie that puts him over the top.
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The only problem I have with people harping on the realism that Nolan used for Begins is the fact that I never saw this movie as being realistic at all. You're dealing in a movie where he trained with a secret order of ninjas more or less... it's safe to say you can throw realism out the window from there on out. I really enjoyed the film for what it was... an origin movie that didn't come off as boring as most origin movies do.
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nonsense. The Spiderman franchise is good I guess, if you like cartoon action and horrible, horrible cringe-inducing acting. Batman ('89) is the best comic book movie by the way, with Begins a close second. No others are worth mentioning after that.
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I know what you mean. Maybe it's because I love Memento so much, but everything he's done since has been a bit of a disappointment. Each new Nolan film I watch leaves me with that 'close... but no cigar' feeling.
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Sorry, couldn't resist.Also, it is the best comic book film.
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showing him dying his suit purple in his garage, and dying and trimming his hair, and shopping for lipstick, and applying lipstick, and arguing with his girlfriend, and laboriously mixing laughing gas. It's the winning formula, baby!
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How dare you suggest that secret ninja organzations don't train in the himalayas. I have to go curl up in a ball now.
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I kid
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Phoenixmagi. He just comes out of nowhere and slaughters the English language. Very impressive and quite frightening.
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So sorry, but it's true. Everybody knows that secret ninja organzations really train in the Alps. With robot monkeys.
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Definitely the best Superhero movie of them all.... Superman has some iconic moments but there's just something about the world Nolan and Co. created that's truly satisfying.... Pictures look great and shooting in 70mm IMAX must be insanely expensive....
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for shattering my precious worldview. I'm going to go eat a pint of ice cream.
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Seriously do not think I can wait a year for this.
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my list rules.
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As I think I have stated in the past. That crazy cunt Joker actualy looks fucked up behind the mask. They all wear the masks to hide their identity and to strike fear into their victims. Apparently the bank manager isnt playing ball until The Joker takes his mask off. Then he sings like a little bird.
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I hope Joker looks better than that piece of crap image that's been floating everywhere up to about a week ago ...
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They actually chose the Romero look?
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Batman Returns has the odd nutbag like me who's prepared to stick up for it in the face of overwhelming love for Batman Begins. Some people like Tim Burton's first Batventure, some like Batman Forever, and I even saw someone raise his thumb for the old Adam West film earlier in this very talkback.Not Batman & Robin, though. EVERYONE hates that fucker. Even Hitler has his apologists, but not Batman & Robin. How does it feel, Batman & Robin? People hate you more than Hitler!
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I get where you're coming from. There very little in concept about Batman Begins that relates to 'Realism' because realism by definition is the portrayal of things as they are in real life. Which simply isn't really the case with BB.
However there's a difference between 'realism' and being 'realistic' i.e. an awareness of how things are in real life.
I think what people admire about Nolan's Batman universe is that the film makers made a conscious effort make the fantasical elements of the Batman mythology more realistic and plausible rather than reaching for legitmate realism.
It's a bit wordy but I'll try and explain what I mean, the Batmobile - a giant black tank with turbo boosters and missiles attached driving around the streets and rooftops of Gotham is about a far removed from what happens in real life as you'd get. However what earns the movie applause in the realistic sense is that Nolan and co. approached this part of Batman's world and said "Right, it's fantastical, but let's say this thing actually existed, where did it come from?" Everything from the vehicle's history, design and artilery were given careful thought and attention to detailto help create a sense that in this world there is a logic and sense that 'this might be possible'. Compare this with other incarnations of the car, with grappling hooks, neon light, bat wings and a button for everything and you can appreciate the steps that were taken to make the Batmobile more acceptable to the more cynical audiences of today.
It's these valiant attempts to create a consistent set of rules and justification for these elements to follow in Batman's universe as well as the general straight-laced (non tongue-in-cheek) style of filming and storytelling Nolan adopts that people have championed.
Batman Begins earned great plaudits for it's efforts to be 'more realistic' rather than 'grounded in realism' which it clearly isn't.
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...I think I'll throw my hat it with the folks who like 'Begins' better than 'Batman Returns.' They're both good films, and while there is some juicy characterization in 'Returns,' 'Begins' is a little more comprehensive. Also, as fanciful and art deco and German expressionist as Burton's Gotham City is, 'Begins' was the first time I ever really seemed as if Gotham was another character in and of itself, which helps to explain how and why the identity of Batman came into existence in the first place. Burton and Nolan are wildly different filmmakers, so it's almost hard to compare the two, but 'Begins' basically feels like the more complete story, as well as being an entertaining film on its own merits.
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This film is going to be sweet in my personal opinion.
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Nothing terribly exciting as we've had several glimpses (official or otherwise) of Ledger as Joker already, but they do look nice, at the very least.
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I hope he's really off his rocker. Like, he fucks cats and agrees with George Bush's foreign policy...ZING!
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U HEAR ME! WANK IN HIS FUCKING FACE!
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The only thing is that we have another YEAR to wait. Thats a lot of time to fuck something up you know
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Batman Returns, in my mind, is as much a Batman movie as our attempty at Godzilla was really a Godzilla movie.
Differences between the real Batman and Keaton's Batman: Keaton's Bruce Wayne really is a playboy; Bale's is just pretending.
Keaton's Batman has no moral hangups about taking lots and lots and lots of human lives; Bale's refuses to kill even those guilty of murder. Keaton's Batman can't turn his head to the side; Bale's can. Keaton's Batman's Batmobile is sexy; Bale's Batman's Batmobile is pure testosterone.
Moreover, Time Burton turned a glorified mob boss with a penchant for tuxedos into a sewage-eating freak. Likewise, he turned an athletic cat-burglar into a superhuman.
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Whoever said the Swayze idea up there, ill put my money behind it. He IS coming back. Hes ever so good looking and rich and reminds you of a time when films were simple. Where he and Keanu Reeves could chase each other for days and live forever.
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is that really true?
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Would ANY Robin appear in it?
Would Robin be a girl? (I think that would've worked.)
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the difference is that this film won't be a masturbatory jerkfest...
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But, honestly, is the origin of the Batmobile what makes Batman an interesting character? I agree that a less outlandish car was good choice, but did the story benefit from the scene where Bruce Wayne visits the showroom and takes it for a spin?For me, they were on a hiding to nothing when they tried to 'be more realistic' simply because Batman is an inherently unrealistic character. It is, ultimately, a man fighting crime dressed in a rubber bat costume.The big flaw of Begins for me is that it is so horribly unimaginative - and that it denies any imagination in its audience. That attention to detail you mentioned may be great in the 'making of' book, but it didn't do anything for me in the story they were telling.
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AND I HAVE FUCKING SPOKEN!!!
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I will be submitting your name to Christopher Nolan for consideration as a villain in his third Batman film. Hopefully, it will be called Batman: TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!!!Not enough films have swears in the title.
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Just had to concur
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That's not a mask - that's his face. If you look closely you can even see the shape of much of his hairline and the smile is identical to the viral shot. Also, he has the darkened eyes.
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Carla Gugino's Karen Sisco > Jennifer Lopez's Karen Sisco...................................David Palmer's presidency > Wayne Palmer's presidency......................................Veronica Mars > The Pussycat Dolls
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The purple jacket is great and brings back the comic Joker - we can't have him deviate too much or the fanboys will bitch. Can't have him look too authentic or the fanboys will bitch. Can't have his hair too green or the fanboys will bitch. Etc...etc...
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Bear in mind that it's probably just his bank robber disguise (green wig, white makeup and purple suit) before he gets horrifically scarred and turns into the real joker. Is anyone thinking that Anthony Hall's Batman imposter character is the one that scars Ledger and turns him into the Joker? I am... It sets up the revenge motive perfectly.
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An insider over on Batmanonfilm has said that the Bat Cycle is indeed in the movie and it emerges out of the Tumbler. A bit like the Car chase in Returns I think.
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Now there's an idea.
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That viral image is badass though
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Ya know. The one that Batman saves and gives his night goggles to. Isn't that a young Robin?
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They could get the writers of the Pirates of the Caribean sequels to really take the franchise in a bloated formless direction.
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Ok, I understand your point, does taking the time to justify and explore the reasoning and origin behind the new look Batmobile actually further the story? Well I could agree that what is essentially a very kenetic exposition scene does not further the 'plot' of the film but I would have to say that in terms of fleshing out Batman's 'origin story' (which is essentially what BB is)i.e. showing in detail where the more famous tools and devices came from (the cave, batmobile, suit and grappling hook) I think effectively adds more layours to the character's roots and enriches Bruce Wayne's development from victim orphan to crime fighter. You could argue that going to such lengths robs the audience of their opportunity to imagine how it all happened (like Geoge Lucas letting everyone imagine how Darth Vader became Darth Vader) but in truth, we've had four movies that barely touched on the character's origin and quite frankly, for me, it made the Batman/Bruce Wayne character in the earlier films a bit "all style no substance", the character was a bit shallow, even vacant. He was just this image with no identifible motivation or even plausibility and that left me a little cold. It made the villains more interesting than Batman himself and like I said, it's this effort to flesh out and explore Bruce Wayne that puts BB over the others for me cuz it's really the kind of approach the franchise needed. It meant that when we finally get to the point where Batman has dirty cops hanging upside down 100ft above the pavement puttin the fear of god into them, it means so much more. We've seen how he got there, why he's doing what he's doin and just how this transformation came about and it gives the character weight, and power. Whereas in TB's original when Keaton holds the mugger over the ledge, yeah it's cool, but it's also a bit blank and meaningless.
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now is that supposed to be bad or good?
I was just refering to the technical process...
Just stating that the process is not as new as the article may make you believe... (The first film in 70mm was aparently "The Big Fisherman" back in 1959.) Though there seems to be a technical diffenrence between eg. Super Panavision 70 and the IMAX 70mm process, the experience is nothing new to audiences.
I personally think it looks fantastic... But having never seen am IMAX 70mm (despite the documentaries), a question for all of you who have:
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Mars Attacks will own your ass!!!!! I just got off the phone with Johnny Depp, and he wants to play The Joker. He sees The Joker as a Drunken idiot with a cockney accent that likes to wear make up. But surely, The Dark Knight will never be as good as Transformers will be. "You shoot. I drive." "BRING IT!!!" No. Nolan could never make a movie that is that good. Christ, you people are idiots.
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MICHAEL BAY! Greatest...filmaker...ever!
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It was only rumoured thst he would become Robin, it would be cool tho.
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Cool. He could be Batman's drunken sidekick. "Holy Rusted Metal, Batman!" "What? You really need to stop drinking."
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Batman doesn't need a goddamned child sidekick. He's fucking Batman, remember?
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Could take ofense to the Irish Robin but ill just laugh and repress it with drink...
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Yeah that's the ticket, bring in the whole "ward" subplot by adding robin. Then have John Waters direct the whole thing. It's box office gold Jerry!
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...bored me rigid! Absolutely tedious unnecessary backstory toss. Cut to the chase this time, PLEASE! It's not an art film, it's a guy in a cape beating up other bad guys cause he had a boo hoo childhood and now owns most of Gotham. Makes me wonder why we're meant to have sympathy with some rich kid in a cape. Bats never did add up as a story.
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Ah its great to be Irish tho
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Yes it is
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To be honest, I don't see what the big deal is. Almost every superhero film, even the non-"realistic" ones, feature some sort of exposition where the character discovers their powers/ designs their costume/ invents doo-dads. Even 'Superman: The Movie,' which is a relatively campy superhero film by comparison, has a montage of Clark Kent testing the limits of his abilities. Bruce Wayne doesn't have superpowers, so finding the motivation and resources to become Batman seems like the logical equivalent. I don't think it wasn't even necessarily that Goyer and Nolan felt you needed to see where he got his ears from, or whatever, but the story they wanted to tell necessitated an origin story, and if you're going to do an origin story, then you have to go all out and decompress, which in turn necessitates a more realistic approach (which becomes an aesthetic). We can take some things for granted, like the utility belt that he has or that homing signal for bats on the bottom of his little booties, but I don't think taking a minute and a half or so out of the movie to explain where the gigantic tank came from is too much trouble.
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And I'm just a desendent. Good ol Whiskey. Oh, And Fuck the English!
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Tommy Lee Jones was basically Cesar Romero in Batman Forever.
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Although I doubt it will happen (for the better, it's a character that should only exist in the comic). Instead of coming from a circus maybe he can be a part of a balet. Robin can piroet around the bad guys. Anyone...anyone? Anyway, Dr. Gonzo he's not the "fucking Batman," he's the "goddamn Batman", remember?
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Hahahaha!!!
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...I agree with whoever the TalkBacker is above who said Warner Bros. should make some sort of video ad (be it a commercial, or a teaser, or a YouTube clip, or etc.) of a(n obviously fake) paid endorsement for Harvey Dent that eventually morphs into a message from the Joker. Similar to the "I Believe In Harvey Dent" ad campaign they ran on the Internet a couple of weeks ago, only in video form, I suppose. It might attract an audience or it might not; I just think it's too cool of an idea to pass up.
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This definitely seems to be taste thing. Some like all the explaining, some don't. I agree it's part of his origin, but they stretched it a little too far for me. It's not just the car, it's every other aspect of explaining Batman - the mask, the ears, finding the suit, painting the suit, handcrafting his throwy bat things, testing the cape, all that stuff. Too much, just like with the constant reiteration of the fear theme. Too heavy-handed for me. I think they said fear in Batman Begins more times than Tony Montana said fuck in Scarface.Oh dear, I've done that thing where you start out saying you like something (Batman Returns) and you veer off into slating something else. I actually like Batman Begins - it's one of the better recent comic films - but I think it's very flawed and I didn't dig as much as some of the other talkbackers. Mind you, I am a constant defender of Fantastic Four, so maybe you might want to take what I say with a pinch of salt...
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Is it Matt Borne, Steve Lombardi or Steve Keirn behind the paint?
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Fuck it up its stupid ass.
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Nolan's tring way too hard to make all these caracters grounded in reality. A scarecrow in a business suit? Rais Al Ghul with a tiny little goatee? What's next, Mr. Freeze walking around in a refrigerator with holes cut out for his arms and legs? Nolan would fuck up Robin (who is already and easy enough character to fuck up). Also, is wasn't Dr. Gonzo who said that it was me goddamnit. I'm the goddamned Batman (nice Frank Miller reference).
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U IGNORANT FUCKING SLUTS! I AM TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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I had to say it, so noone will forget.
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I'm a little disappointed us Batman types can't even knock a discussion about Rosie O'Fuckingdonnell off the number two spot in the talkback ratings. I don't expect to beat a Transformers thread, but we ought to be able to do better than this. I am so ashamed.
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I haven't dared to look--who are the numbskulls posting over there anyway?
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All we need is a little bit of persistence and a couple of well-timed lunch breaks.
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is having us wait all this time when he should have started filming this thing a year ago! the bastard.
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It would work for me!Franklin T Marmoset - I agree, what the hell with the Rosie thread????? I do realize there's some really fucked up people in there discussing the merits of soldiers in Iraq, but c'mon, this is waaay more important than that pig leaving early. But I have to disagree with you on BB, but not because you like FF. I think.
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A quick peek at the Rosie O'Donnell article reveals that the reason it has so many posts was because (surprise, surprise) it sparked a political debate between a handful of conservative and liberal TalkBackers.
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How bout dem Mets!
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Perfect casting again, Nolan.
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too bad that wasn't him who posted above. sigh...
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I keep coming back until someone REMEMBERS seeing Richie!!!
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run Penguins, run!
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I'll take Burton beautiful gothic nightmares over Nolan's dirty ugliness. That does seem to fit with his target audience, however, as I believe that's the "hip" thing with 15 year old boys these days: "ooh, it's dark, grim and gritty! It's great!"
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Anyone would think a real war where actual people are dying is more important than me prattling on about a film based on a comic about a man who fights crime dressed as a giant bat!Crazy!
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I dunno... just trying to get more posts on this TB. Joker says, "We can't cut and run. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!"
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I don't see it on the usatoday website.
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Burton's meh gothic nightmares over Nolan's beautiful gritty realistic take... :-) That one's for you Stalin vs Predator!
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anybody with me?
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...a big purple cloud. With an angry face.
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and is somehow connected to the Rosie TB. Strange.
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He's rich, and he says he doesn't like paying taxes. Bruce says, "I wouldn't have to be Batman if people would just get off welfare. Get a job you lazy ass criminals."
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Reading his posts is like reading the messages sent by Ed Harris when he was way, way down in the abyss. Just before he met the aliens.Are you starved of oxygen, Mr Kusanagi?
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As much as Kirsten Dunst annoys the hell out of me, I cannot join the darkside with you and Rosie. Kathy Bates, now you're talking!
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May 29, 2007 9:23:06 AM CDT
By the way, if the doofus with the lousy mask in pic #1
by stalin vs predator
actually was a "realistic vision" of the Joker, then Nolan's bootlickers would have been screaming already about how great it is. "I love it!", "Love the realism of this take on the Joker", "Wonderful! It's new!", "A great novel interpretation!", "Yes! It's something new, finally!", "OMG NICHOLSON WUZ TEH SUX AND NOLAN OWNS!!!!!", "10 out of 10!", "It's so dark, grim and gritty!"
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you're totally fucking boring..
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I'm thinking you probably shouldn't watch Dark Knight when it comes out.
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I guess this is supposed to be an insult, but it's kind of dumb since we both know it doesn't make any sense. Fans of 'Batman Begins' are not all 15-year-old boys, and I apparently missed the memo that all 15-year-old boys were into "realism" (they're (largely) the ones who allow crap like '2 Fast 2 Furious' to be made if I'm not mistaken). You gave it a good college try though, Stalin vs. Predator.
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yeah, I hate it too. Maybe Batman can go around stalking Rachel Dawes, and...I dunno....maybe a dance number. That would totally rock!
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my oxygen? Just kidding. You made me crack up real hard, Mr. Franklin T Marmoset. Thank you for making my day. :)Now, back to the Abyss...
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That's not the original TFD. This imposter added periods in his TB name. Every TB needs a little TFD loving...
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Was a couple of entertaining but silly films for adolescents, and right it wasnt really Batman, it took way too many liberties. BB was for real. Tim Burton makes just about all his movies into the same juvenile gothic fantasy. He had to give even Willy Wonka his touch of childish creepiness. I guess his style will be apropiate for Sweeney Todd, and with those actors it just got to come out funny. I just wish Nolan could make his Gotham City a bit more Burtonesque. Not in that cartoony way, but he did all that filming in England and hardly used any older buildings or spires or gargoyles. I'm very happy with his gritty realistic style but he could tweak the otherwordly element a bit.
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He didn't go for any of that crappy "realism". God, I wish he was directing this movie.
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I blame that bloody awful Planet Of The Apes remake. Also, he is beating a dead horse with the goth melarkey a bit. But, back in the 92, it was still cool, and I liked the way he added his goth carnival freakshow stylings to the Batman world. Also, people forget that he resurrected the comic book film genre. Would we have the likes of Fantastic Four (or substitute a comic book film that you actually liked here) without Burton's original film?
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While I prefer BB, I can totally see why people really enjoyed the first two Batman movies. I enjoyed them, just not nearly as much as BB. I'm very anxious to see what Nolan does with the sequel and how he portrays the Joker. Many really liked Nicholson's Joker, but for me, he just wasn't menacing or evil enough. I'm hoping Nolan gets that part right.
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Please tell me you're joking. Please.
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Defeated your argument. You're an Asshole, Stalin.
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Hmm...didn't know that. Monkeys always get blamed for something.
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We can overtake the vast girth of Rosie!
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And it was plain awful.
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Ruined Planet of the Apes. Ruined Willy Wonka. And will probably ruin Sweeny Todd. Thank you, Dickface.
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I for one loved Big Fish thought it was fantastic. It really uses the imagniation as a weapon. Something I feel more films should do...
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scissors, sharp knife or exacto are out- they would cut too clean, and the scar would be thin.
if they base the joker's origin's off of any of the comic origins, he first has a score to settle with mobsters. so, let's suppose his face got fucked up that way....maybe he got 'curbied'on something really nasty? maybe a handsaw was put in his mouth and then yanked sideways? maybe a cut followed by a chemical bath...i doubt they will go with the mouth being the fault of batman...or they shouldn't. -
He's annoying.
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...because it makes it easier to believe these are real people, and thus give a damn about them. I mean, I liked the original Batman a lot, bur it was hard to give two shits about whether he was gonna get iced or not. Keaton did a remarkable job with what he had, but Batman as portrayed in those movies really was kind of a shell of a character. And that can work, some heroes don't need any real depth of personality, but Batman's tough to stylize while maintaining identifyability because his whole schtick is kinda to become as inhuman as possible. I like the Burton movies a lot, but I do prefer BB.
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He's shoving us the Joker without letting us see him. Clever bastard.
JustPillowTalk, there's things i enjoyed in Burton's bat too, and Nicholson was a pleasure to watch. But you have to kind of take it as an elseworld version, cause he just deviates too much. and Keaton was such a small wimp. -
Big Fish was one of the best movies of the year it came out. Sweeny Todd should be interesting. At any rate it's the only musical I'm interested in seeing.
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How about dem Mets? Undisputed kings of NY, that's the word 'round the playground...
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Rosie's gone TB... her name was Col. Activity.
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Kind of a world we live in, when an Irish desendent with an opinion gets all my press!....This talkback needs an enama!
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As Denis Leary might say, I've got two words for you:Trained Fucking Squirrels!It was worth it just for that, although I admit the Willy Wonka childhood trauma bits were garbage.Also, fuck off, GABRIEL GRAY SAYS. That is not an honourable way to push up the stats.
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http://tinyurl.com/2yako9
First time I seen it, so Im just asking. I showed it to my sis, she didnt know who it was and just said: "Ugh!...He looks scary" I think Nolan is on the right track here people. Looking fwd to June 08. -
It makes a bored Batman fan proud to see Rosie knocked off her perch.But... what next? Can Batman topple the mighty Transformers? Man dressed as bat Vs Robot disguised as car?
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--but, then, I always hated Willy Wonka as a child, so, whatever. Loved the books, though.
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Whats wrong with the Irish?
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SHUT THE FUCK UP
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He and Daredevil get together every weekend and trade rx scripts. As far as throwing my thoughts into the whole "best comic film ever" ring I have to say if you think Batman 89 is the best ever your a fucking tool or someone who really ,really likes musicals. That shit was so weak, I mean I loved it at first ( I was like 10 years old) but all that dancing around to a lame ass Prince soundtrack? Wow! I'm a die hard Superman fan,but I admit 1,3,and 4 blew hard. Maybe 1 not near as much as 3 and 4 but 1 has it flaws (Otis,and my favorite Can you read my mind?) as much as any other film. Ok, I take it back Superman and Superman 2 are great movies. I also think that with the cast and soundtrack that Batman Forever had the writer and director should have there balls removed. Given a removal of the neon,henchmen,and bad dialouge Batman Forever could have been a contender.
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Cheers to the fellow Batman talkbackers.No cheers to GABRIEL GRAY SAYS. Way to ruin it for everyone, asshole.
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You rule buddy. Fuck'n tool.
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Numbnuts.
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I was just having a laugh, I have Irish desendents too hence the name Connor. But Iam English and very much proud of that fact....GABRIEL GRAY seems to be that enema this talkback needs, ha!
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I have to think about that.
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Anyway about Batman......?
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This is not the socially acceptable way of making it to the top of the TBs... Moron.
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Both are big letdowns.
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anybody with me?
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The first pic with him wearing the mask and the business suit, the Joker is the one who is in focus, not the guy in the back holding the gun. You people act as though you haven't seen the many set pics of heath wearing that suit and mask at that bank shooting that scene. dolts
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and see what happens? Rosie is in #2 postion? That's just wrong, sick and wrongoh Batman...Franklin first of all gott aagree with you, Batman and Robin is the most hated thing in existence of History, forget Hitler, forget Judas iscariot (he got his own gospel) Batman and Robin is the the most wretched piece of history.as for TDK, everything I see about it is making me more and more curious as to this movie. I didn't see Begins in the theatres because, well frankly I didn't trust WB,I wasn't sure what we'd end up with but I didn't trust them. When I finally saw it on DVD i was very impressed, maybe because I went in with such low expectations, maybe it was because I was disappointed initally with the fact that Darren Afronksy(sp?) wasn't doing it after all, but I came away impressed.Interesting side note, I had rememreed reading Year One when I was a kid at a local library, so I sought it out and found it and reread it again, still holds up but was surprised to find it in our Children's Section at the Library, almost as if someone said "oh it's a comic it goes here" not reliezing what it contained, which makes me giggle.
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I agree. You are getting enough oxygen now.... =)
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Burton's version had many fine moments in my opinion, in some ways one of Burtons better films. I loved the casting. Specially the kids. and yes the squirrels was worth the ticket. But it was somehow in the end kind of boring. Not enough adventure. Too much creepy daddy, i love Saruman but why was he in that movie? In the end Gene Wilders version is a more satisfying yarn.
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Even though the pic is small and blurry, Joker kind of looks like the Cesar Romero Joker. Kind of cool!
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Ermm... okay.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that most of us had figured that out. The "out of focus" Joker is in the second picture. That said, most of us HAVEN'T seen leaked set photos from 'The Dark Knight.' It's still over a year away from release; I'm not going to vigilantly patrol batman-on-film.com on a daily basis just so that I can catch a few new snapshots of a police car every other week.
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I gotta say--blegh. I don't like that at *all*. Looks like a halloween costume, not a suit of armor.
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"I wish I knew how to quit you, Batman."
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That's kind of an awful attitude for someone who uses this website enough to have a username. So you're saying every popular movie must be good, or at least, must be considered good by the weirdos and misfits (of which I proudly consider myself a member) who populate this site? Maybe the only emperor is the emperor of ice cream and the only "good" movie is the one that makes money, but if I accepted that philosophy I'd be at BoxOfficeMojo and not here. For what it's worth, though, both Moriarty and Grande Rojo enjoyed 'Dead Man's Chest.'
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for thinking this was a place for searious discussion...
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Fair point that you don't want to check. I thought the pics were posted here. Just so you know though, the pics are Ledger in that suit with that mask, robbing the back with his goons (the guy out of focus). There is also a pic with him without his mask.
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Good point. I did kind of unfairly extrapolate your argument. I didn't really mean to; I started out asking a rhetorical question and then veered off on some weird tango-rant. I personally don't think a movie making a ton of money is a sign of quality either (recent examples of movies that most people probably don't even like but that did gangbusters are 'The Matrix Reloaded' and 'The Phantom Menace'), but I can see how there's a difference between 'Norbit' making $90 million or whatever and 'Dead Man's Chest' making over $400 million.
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These pics cement the fact that the film will own 2007!!!!!! And there not even exciting!!!!!!
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Imax is horizontal 70mm (the film runs horizontally), Panavision's 70mm is vertical pull down (film travels vertically), like Vistavision vs. regular 35mm.
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I'M GOING TO MASTURBATE ON YO FACE WHILST RAPING YOUR MOTHER U FAT S-LUT!!
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Ran across that factoid during an interview with Mark Osborne, director of the short entitled 'MORE', on a DVD shorts collection. Someone asked him about the 'IMAX quality 70mm film he used' to film it and he said 'IMAX is it's own brand and uses a special 65mm film which is projected on special IMAX projectors' and, although similar in quality, isn't the same. Anyone able to confirm/deny that? Just curious.
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AND WITH CAPS LOCK!!!!!!!!!
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If it's not filmed with IMAX cameras it'll look crappy on a IMAX screen. Kudos to Nolan for doing what he's doing.
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It was alright, but they had to stretch the image to fit, and it looked a bit off. Not the best way to watch a movie. Somewhat enjoyable.
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I MAY BE A SLUT, BUT NOT IGNORANT! LIKE, Y'A KNOW. TOTALLY!
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Well done, sir, but two can play at that game!!
I WILL TEAR YOUR MOTHER'S ANUS APART WITH MY MASSIVE DONG! AND THEN I'LL JAM MY FOREARM INTO HER STARSHAPED FARTRING AND TOTALLY FUCKING DESTROY IT ! I SHAN'T BE KIND TO HER ! -
I am the Black Widow, I could use some practice....
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on his shooting breaks? That would be hilarious. You win this round, JOKER!!!!!
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HIS HAIR IS GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!AND HE LOOKS CREEPY YEAH!!!!
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How sad do you have to be to get a power trip by inflicting your unwanted presence on others?
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SHE IS LEGRND! SHE IS LEGRND!
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camera negative is 65mm, but for projection, 2.5mm of area is added to the sides for the soundtrack information.
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who said he did not like the look of Gotham... that it was supposed to be a city of decay.
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Do they exist on here or are they like Dr Doom i.e. a non existent cloud?
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I think u mean Galactus
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Looks like Caeser Romero.... and that's NOT good.
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HE OBVIOUSLY IS IN AWE OF THE MIGHTY GABRIEL GRAY!!!1111
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AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AGAIN......
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find a nice length of rope....... well, y'a know the rest.
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...why you think I would watch something you linked me to. You're not sufficiently interesting to pique my curiosity.
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GANG BANGED BY FORTY MEN TYPEhttp://www.xtube.com/watchafaggetbuttfucked
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I don't know why that isn't done already?
Anyway, That second pic is a tease!
The other one is cool. If you look at the shooting footage you'll know which is the Joker. This is why I as asking before about the clown theme pre-change to the Joker. No Red Hood? Clown mask and mannerisms existed before the chemical vat? -
GABRIEL G(R)AY, I SHALL MAKE YOU SKULLFUCK YOUR OWN MOTHER. THAT'S RIGHT, I WENT THERE, YOU GOBSHITE!!!
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Probably trying to simplify things for the general audience. Of course, it's also possible (given the second picture) he's going around wearing a clown mask AFTER the chemical bath, perhaps as a play on the old "take off your mask and you're wearing another mask underneath" kind of trick. He takes off his mask, and his real face is still fuckin' scary.
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Batman kills more people than the Joker. The sets are ridiculous. The Joker is just Nicholson playing himself again. Keaton is NOT Bruce Wayne, ever. Batman wearing fake muscles? Penguin spitting up black goo? Catwoman gets amazing skills from falling in kitty litter? GIANT FUCKING PENGUINS WITH MISSILES STRAPPED TO THEM? Two-Face is Joker-redux, while Riddler is Mad Hatter plus Joker. And on and on... Burton's Batman films were HIS world, not Batman's, and they sucked major ass. Batman 89 sucked in 1989 when I saw the premiere, and it sucks WORSE today because it's so dated and trite. If you base your Batman lore on Burton's version, you're about two steps from basing it on the 60s TV Show.
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AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO! AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO!
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I really like BB, for the most part. The realism, the grittyness and all. Some people copmplain of too much realism, not me. I just think that Nolan could have been a bit more imaginative with his backgrounds and atmospheres. He could make Gotham a touch more gothic, like in the comics, where its sometimes like a cross of New York and Prague. And he did copy a rundown asian city for part of the movie so it wasnt only the people being rundown. It seems to me just to make Gotham like Chicago is a bit pedestrian.
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I CAN COPY AND PASTE.
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SO YOU'RE ENGLISH, CUNTO ?! HOW ELSE COULD YOU GET THAT REFERENCE??? YOU FUCKING SHAM!! I'M GOING TO RIP OFF YOUR HEAD AND DEFECATE IN THE HOLE !!!!
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LOOK ATLOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE!
ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE!
LOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE!
LOOK AT MELOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE!
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LOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE!
LOOK AT ME! I CAN COPY AND PASTE!
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You make my male quim twitch...Continue with your self-abasement...
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BEHOLD WHAT THO ART GABRIEL GAY!
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I WILL CUT YOU!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT9kPQPb1g8
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Nope.
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EVERYONE HATES THE BRITS! FUCKING TWATS! IRELAND FOREVER!
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I'm gonna pretend you didn't say that, 'cause you're just arguing with the troll and all....
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...killing my soul...softly.
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is Irish or English... only ay hed rfernce Fr Ted!!!! Now FUCK OFF
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Batman killed in the early Batman comics. * Man, are you calling Anton Furst's brilliant art design ridiculous? That statement alone undermines your credibility. * Yes, Nicholson parodied himself as Joker, but that's why they hired him. Jack IS the Joker. And don't you think Liam Neeson just played himself again as Henri Ducard in Begins? * If Keaton is not Bruce Wayne/Batman, then why is he right up there in popularity with Bale? Why is Bale doing an acting impersonation of Keaton with the low-key style? Keaton had an enigmatic spark of insanity behind his sober portrayal, it was there in his eyes and his eyebrows. There was something behind it. With Bale, there is nothing. He's a good actor, but his Bruce Wayne was a blank and uninteresting, like almost everything in Batman Begins. Plus, the 1989 Batman suit was based on Keaton's facial features. Keaton disappeared behind that suit and became Batman. With Bale, he was acting behind the mask, I could even pick up his faint Welsh accent. * As for the fake muscles, yes, they should have cast either Arnold or Sly as Batman in the traditional spandex tights, what were they thinking? * Penguin, Catwoman (who was an athlete and took judo lessons cause she had no life), and the missile penguins fit in with Return's carnival gang atmosphere. Yes it did. * Batman has had a dozen or so different worlds since his inception in the 40's, and they are all relevant. Is the dark avenger of the early 40's no less relevant than the happy go lucky super-hero of the 50's and 60's or Miller's Dark Knight? Burton's vision is just as relevant, and the comics even took elements from the film. And Burton was the first comic book movie to to truly use comic book elements in a comic book movie/Tv adaption. His 1989 film had elements of the Englehart/Rogers, Bob Kane, and Miller stories, to name a few. And I don't see how you could compare Burton's vision with the 60's TV show, which was also a relevant version of Batman, and largely responsible for the character's mass popularity.
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I MAY BE A SLUT. BUT I'M NOT IGNORANT AND TALENTLESS YOU NAPPY HEADED HO!!!! I HOPE YOUR CHILDREN GET AIDS, YOU FECKING HOMO!!!
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IMAX is 70mm, but it is shot horizonally, so the frame is larger than regular 70mm.. so this is the first film with scenes shot in IMAX.
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IRONICALLY, HE IS A FAT, IGNORANT, TALENTLESS LUT!!!111
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No there is video footage of Heath Ledger looking very unchanged and putting the mask on before entering the bank. There's also footage of two of his goons sliding across a cable from a rooftop to another and jumping around acting like clowns.
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Fo' real.
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Huh. Well, then, like I said, I guess they're just simplifying for the audience. Trying to explain why a guy who gets a chemical dip suddenly starts acting like a clown. Though, I suppose that would add to the idea that the skin and whatnot is definitely makeup, as it seems pretty unlikely a guy who goes around dressed like a clown would just happen to get a chemical bath that made him look like a clown...
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so much for Nolan's "first"...Batman Returns is the best movie ever made...I hope to God they bring Ra's back in this one, or at least work in Talia, or allude to him. The League of Shadows infiltrated Gotham at all levels, there's no way a crashing subway was the end of Ra's.
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FUCK YOU UP YOUR STUPID ASS!! YOU SILLY MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKING CUMBUCKET!
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wanking obsession? It's just weird.
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I Can't take it anymore. Ban him. Please. Somebody be a narc. I can't be a narc, it's against my pricipals.
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DO YOU HAVE A HAT WITH A CAMERA IN IT ? I'LL DO THAT.
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DIE!!!!!!!!!
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May 29, 2007 1:21:49 PM CDT
Let's hope Nolan has the good sense to not kill Joker
by magical jew eyes
That was the one area where Raimi really fucked up with Spider-Man. Okay, Green Goblin had to die to set up the Harry's revenge storyline. But killing Doc Ock and Venom was just lame. You can't make the bad guys truly be Spidey's worst foes if they kick the bucket an hour after their introduction.
If Nolan lets the villains live he can have them all team up to beat Batman in the third or fourth movie. Since the characterization is out of the way, he can cut right to the action and give us a superhero epic for the ages. -
DO THE RESEARCH!
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DRAW YOURSELF A BATH AND PUT ON SOME LEONARD COHEN MUSIC AND HAVE A SHAVE. I GUARANTEE IT WILL ENTER YOUR MIND!
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IS THIS HOW YOU GET OFF? PATHETIC!
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...for this poor guy to act like this online. For whatever reason, he feels the urge to annoy the piss out of people. And if he did so in real life, he'd get well and truly fucked up by those around him. So, really, this is probably a productive outlet.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U1lmOsscYs
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IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
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Come here little guy...
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See, but you're not actually wanking in my face. So what is saying that you are supposed to accomplish?
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AND I LAUGHED AND LAUGHED! YOU SHUT IN LOSER GABRIEL GAY!
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What does this Imax thing means, to those of us seeing it in regular theatres? and for Imax viewers, will they be seeing the rest of the movie in 35mm after paying Imax prices?
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So far everything I've seen from this movie I've liked. I trust Nolan as he definitely respects the source material while putting a more real-world spin on it. There is no more appropriate hero than Batman to put that type of spin on. As odd as it sounds, seeing the green hair on the Joker made me like the idea of "the Chelsea Smile" alot more...I watched Pan's Labyrinth the other night and there's a scene where someone gets their cheek cut at the mouthline and it made me very excited (yes, BONER excited...well, there's no coming back from that.) to see Joker fully realized in this manner.
Gabriel Gray...get cancer. Seriously dude, what are you 14?!? If you ARE, just wait 10 years and you'll realize how STUPID what you're doing is...until than..the cancer thing. -
I don't understand why so many people always cite Spider-man 2 as the best superhero movie ever? I loved Spidey 1, but was really disappointed in the second 2 movies. Spider-man 2 had many problems imho: 1)Doc Ock's man-tits;he doesn't need spandex, but give him a shirt! 2)The scene with the girl next door and the piece of cake belonged on the DVD as a deleted scene;it offered nothing and felt out of place! 3)The cringe inducing elevated train scene;first we get a maskless Parker making faces like he's giving birth to a hippo, then we get the world's worst extras(Raimi must fill his movies with friends and family since all 3 Spidey movies had awful and distracting extras)prop Spidey over there heads in the worst Christ pose since Superman Returns. 4)Parker not doing anything for the guy who is being mugged in the alleyway(this is Quesada's Spidey, not Stan Lee's). 5)The awful Singing In the Rain number that ends with Parker winking at the camera. 6)Doc Ock killing off the doctors and nurses in such a grim fashion;it didn't fit with the rest of the movie(especially the girl scraping her fingernails off on the floor while screaming to her death) Raimi hasn't been able to mesh humor, horror, and drama together naturally since Evil Dead 2. While Spidey 2 wasn't the mess that Ghost Rider, Elektra, or Blade 3 was, it was far from perfect. People complain about Superman 1 + 2 not holding up. Both movies had consistant tones throughout their entire running time, and felt like comics being made back then. If people can still read old comics with enjoyment, then why can't they do the same for the movies. Superman 1 + 2 also are rare in that they kept almost everything from the comics, while still entertaining non-comic readers(Batman Begins did this pretty much as well). I'm just hoping The Dark Knight gives us Memento and Batman Begins Nolan, and not Insomnia and The Prestige Nolan. I'm starting to get nervous with what I've seen of the Joker so far.
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He fucking BLEW. Better than the guy in "The Batman" cartoon, but he just isn't IT for me. Cesar Romero, BM:TAS...and now this one look like the best Jokers I've seen.
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I compared the shirt to the shooting footage and it's Heath Ledger up front. Some old guy in the back.
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fanboys for another year. It's gonna be a long year.
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Maybe Gabrial Gay is someone famous, and it is some sort of publicity stunt. Why else would the powers that be not have banned him. His Shennanigan's have gone on for at least two days now, ruining a handful of talkbacks. What if it really is Rosie? or better yet as someone suggested it's Heath Ledger. How much more of a virul marketing campaign can you get?
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Someone just get it over with and ban this tool.
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AND ONCE AGAIN I HAVE TOTALY FUCKING DESTROYED YOU!......as much as i think your posts are sheer brilliance! u had to meet TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION...
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I'll take Prestige Nolan any day of the week...
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Batman Begins, Spider-Man 2, Superman: The Movie, and Sin City. Spider-Man 2 is better than 1 anyday and I would be willing to fight anyone over the internet to do so and prove how I am the supreme being on the internet and that really makes me a god in real life.
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Gabrial Gray and Total F@#$ing Destruction are indeed one and the same?
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I agree. I have a real soft spot for Hellboy, too, though.
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none of his Spiderman's are very good, the last one is awful. I agree The Incredibles is the best superhero film. BB is up there, so is Hellboy and the first two Xmen ones.
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X-Men 1 and 2 <<<<< Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 and Superman and Superman 2.
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Howard the Duck
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... is like comparing apples and Cuban cigars! I like 'em both... for different reasons. I actually prefer Burton's Penguin to any other depiction. I remember when Batman: The Animated Series was forced by Warner's to use a Burtonesque Penguin, then, a few years later they revised him back to a knock-off of the 60's version... and made him look like Bobby from King of the Hill wearing a tuxedo. It sucked! Look, Pengy's either a disgustin, hideous, but darkly humorous freak... or he's a short, fat guy with a monocle and an umbrella, take your pick... but which makes a scarier Batvillain?
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Hellboy was good. Just the look and feel was good. It wasn't great, but it was good. It's a solid 3 out of 4 star movie for me. Plus Mr. Del Toro is a great director. He helped with Hellboy and I have high hopes for HB2.
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Someday, there will be a truly GREAT Batman flick. (It may even come in the form of the JUSTICE LEAGUE movie or a team-up picture with Superman.) Someday, not only will they knock it out of the park, they will hit a GRAND SLAM. And I think it will have *some* elements (however small) of Burton, Nolan, and even that other guy, with BATMAN FOREVER. What I'm saying is,...while I have an appreciation for Nolan's more lifelike approach, I would rather NOT have it at the sacrifice of stunning visuals and incredible ("MATRIX" grade) cinematography. I think David Fincher ("SE7EN"/"ZODIAC") would be a perfect blend for Nolan's approach, though you wouldn't expect to be floored by his choreography. But that particular blending of style and storytelling is something I could REALLY dig...because I absolutely LOVE Fincher's cinematic eye. Basically, no matter which way you lean in terms of storytelling, a Batman movie should look stunning. Batman movies SHOULD look incredible. An awesome Bat-suit costume design and exaggerated capes (various sizes for different shots/movements) represents the driven personality of Bruce Wayne. I just want the visuals to match great storytelling, within the fantasy world it takes place. I desire it to feel believable within that world...but not at the sacrifice of what comic books have given us in the form of sequential art. Slick or gritty, PG or PG-13, give me a masterpiece,...in terms of cinematic visuals, story and scipt,...and in acting performances. Don't let me go to my grave without a true Batman masterpiece.
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Not a chance TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION is the man.
Gabriel Gay just likes getting pounded by men. -
You raise a very good theory ? THE SPECULATION REGARDING WHOEVER THE REAL GABRIEL GRAY IS...ONE THING IS FOR SURE... he is funny! MUCH SO!... AND REPULSIVE.. but we may find out pretty soon! I DO KNOW THAT W,B HAVE A VERY GOOD VIRAL CAMPAGIN. and AICN has been in talks! so MAYBE! MAYBE! Rokurgepta wouldnt that be very cool. and very jokery! GO LOOK BACK AT HIS POSTS IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT!!! ....HE SEEMS TO HAVE ALOT OF FAVIOUR WITH THE MODS AND HEAD GEEKS! I AM TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION! AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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i suspect gabriel gray and possibly total f'n destruction are both a front for somebody else to make us forget recent obnoxius talkbacks...
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Is retarted anything like retarded? People like you give the internet a bad name. Nothing I said was confrontational. Calm down Scrappy Doo!!
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I AM NOT GABRIEL GRAY! thank u mister greek! [I SAID GREEK} I AM TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION! AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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Total f'n destruction at least makes me giggle. This Gabriel Gray punk is unoriginal and uninspired.
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...I think, is that "Gabriel Gray" is so much like "Michael Bay" and he started this nonsense in a TF thread. So if it IS viral marketing, it's probably for Transformers. And that, y'know, makes no fucking sense at all. It would just be incredibly, incredibly lame.
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and have been since I was a kid... I like Batman Returns for its "style". Dunno why - just do. But I do think Batman Begins is the best FILM VERSION of Batman. I'm not here to argue...
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NOT GABRIEL! thanks ricky! I AM TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION AND I HAVE SPOKEN! FEAR THE WRATH OF DESTRUCTION!
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...because of the Gotham city design. Sure, Keaton isn't as good as Bale, but whatever. Batman is nothing without a faithful rendition of Gotham City. You need that surreal, haunting cityscape. Huge ominous buildings with pipes everywhere. Burton nailed it and no one else has come close (except for the cartoon). I like Nolan's take on the character of Batman, but I despise what he did by relying so much on Chicago as a city. You're left with Batman in a boring city, not Batman in Gotham. So in my eyes, Batman Begins is not a true Batman flick at all.
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...because of the Gotham city design. Sure, Keaton isn't as good as Bale, but whatever. Batman is nothing without a faithful rendition of Gotham City. You need that surreal, haunting cityscape. Huge ominous buildings with pipes everywhere. Burton nailed it and no one else has come close (except for the cartoon). I like Nolan's take on the character of Batman, but I despise what he did by relying so much on Chicago as a city. You're left with Batman in a boring city, not Batman in Gotham. So in my eyes, Batman Begins is not a true Batman flick at all.
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...Someone refill his friggin' Ritalin prescription, willya?!!?
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Rosie. He's a combination of all three. He's a fat, gay, no talent loser. Just watch this, and You'll see, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U1lmOsscYs
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May 29, 2007 3:11:51 PM CDT
Also, it just isn't a Batman movie without Danny Elfman
by ricky henderson
You can't tell me that the Elfman theme isn't the music you associate with the character of Batman. The Hans Zimmer score from "Begins" was a travesty. A sullen & muddled mess. Give me something at least mildly heroic will ya? Echos of the Elfman Batman theme, is that so hard? Even that Superman Returns travesty had the brains to rehash William's original theme...
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Was ten times better than anything Burton/Schumacher ever put out.
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but I guess its lost amongst all the COCK posted by this retarded cum-smear who seems to think that endless posts of the same uninteresting shit is somehow "hilarious".
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... You DO know they redesigned the look of Gotham in the comics to imitate the look of Gotham in the first two Batman movies, don't you? Before that, it looked like a dirtier, seedier version of Metropolis. I thought they did a pretty good job designing Gotham in Begins, especially the funky el train system and the Narrows.
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TRUE! but maybe he roams free! ive deleated him 7 times in 4 days! but his posts allways remain untill the cull ?? THAT IS WEIRD! so the jury is out! HE REALLY IS THE MOST TALKED ABOUT talkbacker ever! IS HE A VIRAL JOKER?
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Does that mean that the Imax scenes will be cropped down to a widescreen size for regular theaters and DVDs? That kind of pisses me off since the whole reason I buy the widescreen versions of movies on DVD is that I DONT WANT a cropped down version of a movie. This seems like a pretty stupid expense anyway since most people won't ever see it in an Imax theater.
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Not sure what this will mean for the final "Dark Knight" film, but I'm glad he's trying something new. Could be fucking cool.
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It is LEDGER! Christ, what an asshole.
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I guess his name is Kevin Smith.
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TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION WARNING!
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Try reading the article. It says that they filmed with both IMAX and regular cameras. READING CAN BE FUN!
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Back to work, Ledger. Come back to annoy us some other time, or not.
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There should be no cropping, since, as far as I know, Imax shoots in the traditional widescreen aspect ratio (2:35.1). The thing about Imax is that is allows you to capture a much higher resolution image, so when it gets put on dvd you won't be able to see nearly as much clarity in the image as you'll see in theatres. That's my understanding, at least.
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Actually i agree more with Chuff, BB is the best film version. I believe you are a purist. Bale is better than Keaton, no argument there. Keaton was a good actor and had some interesting eyebrows and thats all.. "You need that surreal, haunting cityscape". That i also agree with, but Burton did it way too over the top, so cartoony it became silly. But yes Nolan could
take a hint from the gothic elements and add at least some gargoyles and some historic atmospheric buildings. Burtons biggest sin was deviating so much from the norm and even making Batman kill. And in that regard i defend Nolan and say that yes his version is very much a true Batman flick. -
Is this gonna be called Batman: The Dark Knight or just The Dark Knight?????I really hope it's just the dark knight
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it had to be said.
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And not a bad basestealer either. Elfman's Batman theme was and still is THE theme for motion picture Batman. In my mind, anyway. The score for Batman Begins is great in its own way, but no match for the actual heroic sounds of Elfman's theme. just my 1.5 cents
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thanks for making the effort to find my post amongst all the shit....
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Hello fellow talkbackers. This is Gabriel Gray. I would like to deeply apologize to everyone I have offended. Words cannot express the deep regret and sorrow I feel for my actions on this talkback. All I can see is I love the cock. Just the head.
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right chuff?
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As of now it's just 'The Dark Knight,' but there's no telling whether or not the studio will get cold feet and slap a "Batman" in there. 'Batman Begins 2: The Subtitling.' I like 'The Dark Knight' because it actually sounds like a legitimate movie title and not a brand name, which even the best comic book adaptations are saddled with, so here's hoping the studio stands their ground and keeps it as is.
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zzzzzzzzzz
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and youll go blind.
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They may want to rethink the viral campaign. Meatspin site alone could get me fired just for opening it.
I pretty sure Nolan and co. don't want a bunch of lawsuits on there hands for letting him send nasty links to the site.
Has anyone opened the other links that GABRIEL GRAY SAYS posted?
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That's obvious. Apology accepted, FAG!
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For my money, Batman (89) is the best of the live-action Batman films (Mask of the Phantasm being the best Batman, period). Burton went too over the top in Returns, but he struck just the right balance of grit and sytlization in the first film. And don't give me that 'Nolan's Batman doesn't kill' bullshit. What do you think happened to the ninjas in the League of Shadows HQ? If you think all of them survived, then throw your beloved realism out the window (and what about the man Bruce refused to execute? most likely dead as a door nail). What's more, leaving Ra's in the train at the end, while not literally murder, was basically killing the guy. Nolan's fucked a lot up, too, and his lack of visual imagination and desire to explain every. single. THING. is keeping this franchise from achieving greatness (because we all know Bale is an amazing actor totally capable of giving us a kick-ass Batman...it's just too bad he's stuck in a mediocre flick). Here's hoping the sequel delivers. Less exposition and preachy dialogue, more style.
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Come back when you're eighteen yers of age, and actually know what the fuck you're talking about.
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I'm over 18 and who are you to say I don't know what I'm talking about? You think that one baseless statement disproves anything I've said? In fact, it just makes you sound like you're immature.
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I gotta agree that Superman 1 is much better than Spiderman 1 or 2. Superman 2? Well, it was pretty damned good too but not quite as good as 1.
As for Batman Begins, it's my second favorite comic movie followed closely by Spidey 2. The rest...well, they all suck.
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I supposed everyone has heard this but: http://tinyurl.com/25fn3z ... in other news: http://tinyurl.com/yw9evb ... I'm sensing an odd pattern here.
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talkbackgeek - I believe Imax is 70mm (or bigger) as opposed 35mm film, which means the image is deeper and richer. If you've ever seen 16mm vs 35mm you'll know there's a big leap in quality. So, on the Imax screens these 4 action scenes will look as good as any of those "made for Imax" documentaries you've seen and the rest of the movie will be blown up from 35mm, so there'll be a slight quality difference. On 35mm (regular theaters) you'll notice a quality difference in these scenes as well. You know when filmmakers use 8mm in certain sequences... like Bay did at the end of Armageddon... you see the quality difference in how the film was shot, even if it is on 35mm. Super 8 would be blown up and distilled, fuzzy. 70mm shrunk down will be higher contrast, sharper. Hope that answered your question.And about Gabreil Gray, I delete him when I see him, so I'm dependent on you guys letting me know when he pops back up again. He thinks it's funny, but at the end of the day he can appear as many times as he wants because with one click of the button on my end everything he's ever written disappears. He spends more time at something that won't be there the next day... or he's a bot.
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This is something I've seen crop up sporadically in Batman-related threads, but I don't get the hostility towards explaining all the details (regardless of how minute) of Batman's origin. I personally think it's kind of a cool idea, but I concede that plenty of other people could choose not to care. However I don't see how the conceit keeps the franchise from "achieving greatness," as you say. At the most it's just something that you could have imagined explanations to yourself, but how it's an actual flaw of the movie is beyond me. Interesting comment about the guy Bruce refused to kill ending up dead as a result of his actions, because I just re-watched 'Batman Begins' last week (in a comic book movie binge) and thought the same thing.
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I will except all consequences for my actions. I think I may have been molested as a child because I really love the cock.
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Well, why it keeps the film from achieving greatness is because it doesn't really leave anything to the imagination. It really is demystifying to me to see all of these things broken down into specific details. I suppose I could see why some people would find it interesting, but to me it just showed a lack of imagination in the filmmakers and that was projected on to the audience, who could really leave very little in the film up to their imagination.
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I meant to say 'why it keeps the film from achieving greatness in my eyes,' because I realize some people may find it appealing. I didn't mean to imply that I was proclaiming some universal judgment on the film, just offering my two cents.
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I am not Heath Ledger, but I felt a real connection between Heath and my penis when I watched Brokeback Mountain.
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You may ask yourself that? Well my mom read the talkback and beat the shit out of me. So I have to behave or no more breatfeeding. Good stuff that milk is.
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was more visualy interesting than begins. But I like the fact that Begins has a real world look to it. It helps with the whole bringing Batman to life in a more realistic way.Returns also was not really about Batman, can anyone think of a scene in it which actually explored who Batman was. It was just set in a world where it was not unusual for Batman to exsist.Begins is actually about Batman and what it means to be Batman, why he does it, how he does it and what it says about not just his state of mind but also crime and punishment within society.Batman is one of the only comic book characters who actually nade the choice to become what he is.
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was what popped into your head when thinking of 8mm stock.The juxtaposition of the two is brilliant.
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hurray, batman.
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for when TF is released over on the TF TB. I think it'd be a great tribute to the end of TF talkbacks.
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hurray, batman.
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Dude seriously, making a billion posts in a row is not cool. Trust me, I know. Being on the darkside is not worth it. Come into the light. Come into the light Carol-Anne.
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I almost deleted you, Gabriel with 4 periods, until I noticed your email was different and you were taking the piss out of the spammer.pjdon - I did see your post and your emails in... good idea, but I don't know how to set that up. If you have any ideas, let me know.
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Ban that guy's IP range. Should be a setting on the admin side. Then he won't even be able to visit the site let alone annoy everyone by acting like fucking spastic douchebag.
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Gabriel is no more. Hopefully.
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I believe Morgan Freeman should narrate The Dark Knight. He will also be narrating my wedding night. Picture this in Morgan's sexual voice "MrDuke slowly girates up and down, and I knew then, you better get busy fucking or get busy wanking."
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where the TBers get to decide whpo does the review, or you guys could just pick.Anyone else any ideas how this could be set up?
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for Batman Returns. Burton's Batman movie aren't worse than Nolan's, they're just different. Mostly because Burton wasn't terribly interested in Batman he was interested in the villians. If there's a superhero where the villians can be the center, then it's definitely Batman. Greatest rogue's gallery in all of comicdom.
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the Joker isn't in the top photo guys ......... its just his henchmen.
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"with one click of the button on my end everything he's ever written disappears." Hey mom i found God!!!!!!!!! naaaaaaaaaaah.
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have a baby due on the day of the release so I might not even get to see it on the big screen. (Imagine my conflicting emotions on that day)
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guh.
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Yes he is. The guy in the front is Heath Ledger. I checked the footage and pics of the outside scene portions and he's wearing the same suit and shirt.
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Joker In Name Only!
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he gets betrayed. the guy behind is pointing his gun at him, i guess
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I don't know....lokks photoshopped to me. No way that is a real pic from TDK...its not featured as part of the USA Today story.
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I don't care if Jack is pretty much playing himself it's still a funny and fucked up performance ('can somebody tell me what kind of a world we live in where a man dressed up as a BAT steals my press!'), and Burton's first Batman is a very STRANGE film indeed. Not that Returns isn't but at least it isn't depressing like the first film. It just seems to have no budget and the writing is as boring as fuck. Nicholson is the only good thing about it IMO, oh and Michael Gough as Alfred (I still can't believe that he was in them all up to Batman and Robin, although who better?).
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but they should put it to us for a couple of days and get an idea of who to choose from.Probably less arguments over who got chosen that way.I nominate Gabriel Gray ;)
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nolan behind the camera, looks real to me.
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Its certainly Nolan...no doubt, but what is he looking at. Whats that weird screen we see the Joker through? And if Ledger is standing right on the other side, why can't we see his feet? I don't know...I'm just pointing it out.
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GABRIEL GRAY IS A LEGEND! THE REAL ONE THAT IS! NOT THE ONE TAKING THE PISS OUT OF HIMSELF! HES THE BEST THING ON THIS SITE! ITS BEEN A REAL BORE LATLEY! AND GABE FUCKING ROCKED THE HOUSE! IF U GUYS TOOK YOURSELVES LESS SERIOUSLY THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUND YOURSELF LAUGHING! AND YES MY CAPLOCKS ARE ON IN MEMORY OF GABE! I MEAN CMON EVEN QUINT KNOWS HIM NOW! {QUOTE} IGNORANT SLUTS I LAUGHED AND LAUGHED!
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Soundwave appears as an iPod in Transformers 2, I will be happy
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Seems likely, especially as Ledger apparently took his Joker persona in part from the droogs in A Clockwork Orange.
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GABRIEL GRAY nailed you earlier! quote... i wank in your fucking face! bring back GABRIEL GRAY. WE NEED A PETITION! SO GABE CAN CARRY ON HIS HILLARIOUS RAMPAGE! BRING GABE BACK! BRING GABE BACK!
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is simply used to control the light, just an easy way of softening it up or something.
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I knew it! I fucking knew it! I saw those periods after and I thought, that's not the REAL TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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the least said about what gabriel gray said about you! the better! BRING BACK THE REAL GABRIEL GRAY! SO HE CAN CARRY ON HIS HILLARIOUS RAMPAGE!
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Loved that flick. Please don't come back GG. You ruin the whole concept of TB. I hope the IP was blocked. Killjoy prick.
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in all due respect that is! BUT THE REAL ONE WAS HEAR EARLIER! SUTTER KANE HAS SPOKEN
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hear and here. I guess it was too much to hope for the IP to be blocked. On topic, I cannot wait for TDK. Regardless of the hate out there, I love Mista J's look and think Heath Ledger is a fine actor i.e. a brilliant choice. I love the casting on this film. Batman Begins is now my favorite film score of all time. It is simply a masterstroke of genius to me. I actually like the score more than the flick, and I like the flick quite a bit. I hope Nolan does it right with this one and doesn't suffer a sophmore slump. Don't kill the Joker! Send him to Arkham.
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BRING THAT IGNORANT TALENTLESS SLUT BACK!
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from the GAY GERBIL yesterday on the TF post, did he have something better to add on this one?
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WELL IF IT IS YOU! YOUR NOT VERY GOOD! BEACUSE 5 MINS LATER HES BACK! why u saying the legend gray is TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION ?
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of my most re-watched films, but the score has never really stood out to me.Must take more notice.They should geyt whoever does LOSTs theme, that makes the hairs stand up like no other theme.
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And thanks be to you as well. Let it be known that I would gladly accept your TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION any day, as opposed to some pathetic poseur. Be well.
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I GOT EMAILED SAYING THERE WAS A RIOT IN HERE! AND WHEN I GOT HERE I SAW AND QUOTE! i wank in the face of pjdon! i wank in his fucking face! i laughed and laughed {end quote} and several others! im sure there was worse! I BARELY SKIMMED THE SURFACE! AND T,F,D he had strong words 4 u! IM JUST A BYSTANDER BUT IT WAS HILLARIOUS!
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Where is that second pic from? I don't see it on the linked story over at usatoday.
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Well the score was just flawless for me. But I am a weirdo - point and case, my previous favorite score, before being usurped by BB, was Alien 3. Like I said, weirdo. I am no musician, nor do I fully "understand" what goes into writing, conducting and whatnot. I just know what I like and I think those two scores are brilliant. Matters not what film they are associated with. I've never seen an episode of Lost. Ever. I'll take your word on the theme.
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I notice that there is no response to the verbal buggering I gave you on the transformers tb. Seems caps locks and tired phrases are all you know you bitch. You are at best a commodore 64 programmed spamming bot you loser
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GABRIEL GRAY FOR PRESIDENT! AND REAL T,F,D, SEE U MAN! IM OUTY U IGNORANT TALENTLESS SLUTS! BRING BACK THE LEGEND THAT IS GABRIEL GRAY!
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Both eat a fat dick. Television is stupid, television eats a fat dick. This is my opinion, and it is in fact, true. If you don't agree, you are doing what lost, heroes, and television in general do- eat fat dick.
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That's cool. I agree that both of Elfman's scores are awesome. Simply Awesome. Siouxsie & The Banshees is my favorite band of all time - bar none. Has been for 22 years now. Bonus track (Face to Face) at the end of the Batman Returns soundtrack was epiphaneous for me when I was younger. I have no shame admiting that. Siouxsie's "solo" album is due in September. Tightness! Flame away if you must.
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IM GABE I WISH I WERE THO. CUZ HE COMPLETELY NAILED YOU EARLIR! NIGHT!
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Additionally and off topic - what are some of your favorite film scores besides the two you mentioned?
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what fit BB. I love the score from the Infernal Affairs trilogy. It would fit the style of a realistic Batman film quite well.
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but I wiped it off before his mom could start licking it.
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IS THAT AN IMPOSTER! OK FINE! PREPARE TO MEET TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION...
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Yes, Descent into Mystery and Childhood Remembered are absolute standouts on that album for me.
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Infernal Affairs trilogy. Tightness. I absolutely refuse to watch The Departed. I hate remakes of Asian films. I'm a freak like that. This Hollywood-Remake-A-Go-Go must end. Yes, my loss, but the original was just so good. And I think the BB score complimented the material well.
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i see you think i am fake! DO U AGREE WITH THIS ???
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I'm on crazy pillz
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a whole medium like that? I agree that the way people just sit in front of the TV and zone out watching endless crap is bad. But surely there is plently of good TV. Just do what I do find a couple of programs that are really worth watching and don't watch the rest.I'm sure there are plenty of crap movies out there but that doesn't mean you stop watching movies altogether.How can you say gold like The Simpsons, LOST, Family Guy, Extras, The Office (UK and US versions) are not worthy viewing?
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tick tock tick tock... ???
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Are hitting the same lows Uwe Bowe aspires to
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I've been looking at these bulltins discussing why Spider-man 2 or Batman Begins didn't work for them as a movie. Most of these complaints are pretty petty and ridiculous. One guy complained that Batman Begins didn't work for him because it was trying to be too realistic with explaining how and why a man would dress around in a bat suit and fight crime. What kind of complaint is that?!?! The whole reason for going the realistic route in the first place with Batman Begins was because people(myself included)weren't satisfied with the campy and cartoonish route that began to emerged in the later original movies. Just face it, today's generation of movie viewers likes their shit to be explained and I for one aint just going to except a man fighting crime in a bat suit without a solid and convincing explaination. And as far as Spider-man 2 goes, I do feel that it is one of the best superhero movies to date. I saw people talking about that the movies didn't have no focus. Where you guys watching the same movie?!?! The main focus of all the Spider-man films was clearly peter trying to balance his responsibility as man and as a superhero. I also saw that people said that Spider-man 2 in particular drift from different genres and didn't know what type of movie it wanted to be. Well Spider-man has always had a different blend of genres from time to time in the comics but the main genre was always the superhero genre. So what was the problem of translating that to the movies with the mix of comedy and slight horror. It was still a superhero movie for goodness sake. Some say it had a slower pace compared to the first spider-man. Thats because spider-man 2 actullay had a story to tell and wasn't just trying to establish everything like the first one did without a main story. Now if the movie had too much action going on, then you guys would've conplained that it didn't have any story. My thing is yeah there's going to be a few nitpicks here and there and thats with any movie. But letting them little nitpicks take away from the overall movie is just ridiculous. Take the movie for what they are. Yeah these are fantasy movies but they got to have some logical sense to them, thats why the golden age of comics tanked in the lates 40s and 50s and people accpeted the silver age in the 60s. They were fantasy stories that had a sense of logic by mixing the science ficton element to it. So please don't take these movies to heart by saying that they're too realistic or too cartoony. There just movies.
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but it just doesn't have the complexity of the original.It is set over a few years instead of just jumping straight in to the couple of weeks at the end of their undercover carreer.It just doesn't let the characters develop as every 5 mins it jumps forwards a couple of months. I like the fact that in IA 1 it doesn't have any exposition, it just shows what happens and you have to watch it a few times to absorb all the detail.The Departed feels like they tried to combine IA 1 and 2 but didn't really get the brilliance of either film.As a film in its own right it is still great though.
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the office us version is great and alot more complex and intelligent than the original, even ricky who exec produces thinks so! and all those other shows u mentioned are all more than worthy! AND ANY ONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE SHALL MEET TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION...
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A little rhyme for you:
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and I happen to love both Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2. I thought any and all liberties taken within those films were acceptable and executed well. Great "comic book" films. Never understood the hate/complaints. Perhaps I am easily amused or not a hardcore Batman/Spider-Man fan. Whatever. Great flicks.
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Cool. Thanks for sharing. Seriously. I love Rocky and Dragon. Good stuff.
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That's what I have heard. I'm just too steadfast in my opinion. I know it was a critically hailed film, but I just didn't see the need for an Americanized version. To each his own. Glad there's another fan of the original trilogy out there.
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own way now it has developed its own stlye. That is why it is more complex now because it has grown. More intelligent is objective really, it is intelligent but probably not as subtle as the UK version.I suppose I can relate to it more though as I have worked in a lot of offices here in the UK and it is spot on.
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heres a little rhyme for you! u think u can insult me u aint got a chance u talk the talk but do u dance the dance ?
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Those shows are really good, and if they existed in another medium I would watch them. It's the medium of television that is so absolutely evil and disgustingly wart-covered. And really, while some shows can be really good, they can NEVER transcend the medium of television and give you a TRULY memorable experience. Tell me has any show EVER done that? For me- I know some movies and books have done that, and many PEOPLE have done that, but NEVER television- in fact it sucks those experiences away from you and leaves your skull hollow.
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that's when I fell in love with Madeleine Stowe and Michael Mann. Nice one RokuGepta.
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OF COURSE IM NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FOM THE ORIGINAL! after all it was the first! and stand alone it fantastic! british comedy is most definatly the most sophisticated in the world! BUT i agree with your last post too.
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but as far as television is concerned, I think The Prisoner and Twin Peaks stand the test of time. I can't not love those shows. Know what I mean? Probably not.
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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5303099694498193084&q=the+ultimate+movie+score+mix
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Simpsons, office, etc are probably better and more timeless than any comedy movie out there.As far as drama I kind of agree, LOST is brilliant but sometimes it acts like a TV show with some parts (ie some of the more unimportant flashbacks) seeming like mass produced filler. Sometimes it even feels like a soap. In that way it will never have the same consistancy as a movie but that is due to them having to have weekly episodes.I often think about how much better it would be if it where a few episodes shorter per season, not much but just enough so that every episode and scene is at its peak.
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when every day all his posts get deleted? All these talks are full of people talking to, at or about the poor kid. No one seems to pity him. His posts are an obvious cry for help. "f*ck f*ck f*ckitty f*ck, f*ck this, f*ck that, f*ck it all, f*ck everything but the kids." He hits on that theme again and again. Don't f*ck the kids. Gabriel on Criminal Minds never smiles or laughs and is obsessed with understanding twisted psyches. Peter Gabriel in Genesis was a schizoid lead singer taking on the persona of every character he sang. And the Biblical Gabriel is an angel of vengence. Jean Grey became the crazed Dark Phoenix. Meredith Grey is a self loathing manic depressive unable to stay happy. All the Gabriels are male, all the Greys female. And his favorite show and talkback is "Lost", the series in which every character has disturbing father issues.
Put the clues together. As a child - which he still is mentally - his father repeatedly f*cked him and when he told his mother, instead of helping him SHE LAUGHED AND LAUGHED, something the real GiGi is now incapable of ever doing. Oh why must you torment him with your taunts, his time is running out. People like him always suicide out, they always leave long impassioned suicide notes and, here's the funny part, the person the note is addressed to or the person who finds it always destroys it unread. He will be gone and forgotten soon, why not start now. Just ignore him. We are the only family he has left, when he realizes we are done with him it will be all over once his blood runs out. RIP GiGi. -
GOOD COMEBACK. i will take the higher ground and ignore you! my friend !
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The Price is Right... and Doctor Who
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The Price is Right is so very wrong in so many ways. The epitome of evil.
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definately stands the test of time. Although you could say he intended it to be shown as a movie.Stephen Kings Kingdom Hospital...HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA CGI Aardvark??? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
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Batman: The Mask of the Phantasm had a great score. The very first musical score I bought on CD. Late to the party (embracing cds that is), but still. Great film and great score. Dana Delany's voice was hotness.
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IGNORE THE PICTURE! but the scores include! polterguist, starwars, phantasm, hellraiser, goonies, predator, lotr, escape from new york, jaws, ET, the fog, ECT ECT. ITS REALLY WELL MIXED! JUST IGNORE THE PIC! I THINK U WILL LIKE IT. HERES LINK AGAIN!http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5303099694498193084&q=the+ultimate+movie+score+mix
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honestly, I hate life, and think of Suicide every day. I wish everybody treated those around them better. There's so much shit going on in the world, and we all know about it, alot of us talk about it, but nothing is done about it. I think Napolean is right about Gabriel Gray, the person is indeed crying for help. What can we do to help a stranger out? What's sad is, most of you will probably, mock me and laugh at me for this post, but in all seriousness, how do we make this world a better place? Well, it's all about the power of one. Be nicer to the person next to you, smile to a complete stranger, remember to say thank you and please more often, trust me, it really can make someones day. HUGS TO EVERYONE
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THATS THE NICEST talkback ive ever read! i sir commend u! but all gabriel was crying out was... i wank in your face! check out that link 4 some great music!
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feel the love
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Regardless if you are being serious or not, I agree. Be nice to the guy/gal next you. Treat those as you would like to be treated. Common courtesy is a rarity.
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very well put!!! and i hope we can make a difference! but sadly this world is allways governed by the ill informed! if only gabriel could stop wanking in peoples faces! i guess in a funny way GABE has kinda become at least myth! we are still talking about him arnt we! so maybe he was half right!
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too true, too true. I concur. I am trying to raise my daughter with fair expectations in life. Strive to do well, but don't be unrealistic. Common sense and realistic perspective are a must. This is a Joker TB and we are discussing the social well-being of the children of the world. WTF.
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il see u on the dark side! this is TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION AND I HAVE SPOKEN! ENJOY THE LINK.
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To add to your list, Gabriel Gray is actually Sylar's real name on "Heroes" (Sylar is a brand of watch or something).
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Seriously, do you know where that second pic is from? As has been said, it doesn't show on the USA Today story.
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by money. Too many people, especially rich people only think about money. They forget why they need it and that it is worthless on its own.I have never seen anyone with money who is any happier than those without.They sacrifice the important stuff like friends, family and art for just raising their bank balance.
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and everthing else i can cram into its head and basicly push it to one day becoming Batman.
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I've never met anyone with money who is happy. Not truly happy. My wife works in the field of medicine, so those parties with her associates and all that that implies, paint a not so pretty picture. Live a modest life and live life well.
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I'm just met you. I like you. I do not wish you to meet your demise in an alley behind a concert hall just for the sole purpose of helping your kid become Batman.
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family has tons of money but she'd walk a mile to pick up a penny. She always has a go at me because I don't seem that interested in talking about how much I earn or how much every little thing costs. She even had a go because I wanted to spend time with my pregnant girlfriend this weekend instead of doing overtime with her.She says I should take a leaf out of her husbands book, he runs his own contracting buisness and works 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week. I would never say anything to her but he never sees her or his kids because he is earning more and more money which they don't need or spend.That is not happiness.Although I think he is a case of someone who comes from a poor Irish background and would have had to work hard to feed his family. It just seems he forgot why he was working in the first place and when to stop.
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so the kid gets all deppressed, then send it to live with a rich uncle and then pop back up in its life when its got the Batman lifestyle underway.
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May 29, 2007 8:12:20 PM CDT
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them? Why work yourself to death to support people you do not interact with? Life is too short. Money is not the root of all happiness. Sounds to me like that woman and man shouldn't have procreated. My wife and I didn't spawn until we were ready to make the necessary sacrifices. We don't subscribe to the daycare society, and therefore I am a stay at home dad. Sacrifices made, but at least one of us is raising her, not strangers you can't trust. There's enough people in the world. Don't spawn if you're not willing to be responsible about the life you create. Just my opinion.
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his parents clearly took no interest in raising him or instilling any sensibilities. Is it really not possible to block an IP? Clearly it isn't or AICN won't do it. Commence with the incoherant spamming. FAS poster child.
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thats why I believe in only having one child, maybe another a few years down the line but trying to give one child all our attention.I see some people who have so many kids they can hardly remember their names let alone raise each of them as individuals.
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own lives when they found out what an abusve little prick he is.
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I agree and that's exactly what we are attempting right now. There really is no reason for every couple to be a baby factory. Why? Focus on the one you have, don't try to spread yourself thin with 3-7 kids. Overpopulation is not a fabricated rumor. I didn't even want kids. I won't bore you with the senitmental cliches, but I am very fortunate to have my daughter. I'll just leave it at that.
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nothing would load for the last 20 minutes?
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on this site in between child-rearing, but this fool is just desparate for validation. Attention starved to the extreme. Which I have never understood since I prefer solitude myself. "Proof that we are leaving our children behind."
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Surly you have the power to ban an IP. It's not just a myth, is it? How is this behaviour acceptable? Granted I get off topic at times, but I am not beligerantly aggressive and vulgar. No one is. Not to this degree.
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as another reason. I also think its a myth that it's not healthy to have an only child, it depends on how they are brought up. Most only children come from career parents who don't have time to raise any more and don't spend anytime with the one they have. I think at least 1 parent should stay at home if possible.I never thought i'd want a child either, I'm only 26 and still feel like a child myself but now i've gotten used to the idea i'm more excited than waiting for a whole summer of Iron Mans and Dark Knights.
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Sorry about my previous tangents. Is IMAX really all it's cracked up to be? I had an opportunity to see 300 on IMAX and passed? Is it really an enhanced experience or just "bigger"? I too think it's cool Nolan possesses foresight and is doing this. Sounds wise.
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and your credibility is nill. Regardless if it is true or not, it matters not. You have abused this site too much for anyone to care. Go away.
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it was more impressive but unless it's in 3D I think I'd rather just a normal big screen for seeing a film which wasn't overly visual. 300 would be a good one though. I just couldn't imagine have normal dialouge scenes that big though.
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My mother has shuffled off this mortal coil, but I'm here to talk about film - not for some type of therapeutic outlet. Hit the gym. You'll feel better. Let the iron take your rage/sadness away.
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but you can't do nothing but swear and throw abuse at people and then get all personal and defensive if someone touches the truth while biting back.Chill out man, lifes to short to be a twat.
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Batman Begins clearly wasn't visual enough for IMAX so maybe this news means that Nolan is taking more care over that aspect.
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Good luck brother. I mean that, best wishes to you and your special lady friend. After I had my kid, my priorities shifted for the better you could say. I still have all my hobbies (oddly enough I'm squandering time typing on this site when I could be indulging, but I am relaxing while the wife spends time with the kid) but my daughter comes first. She'll be out of the house soon enough if these first three years are any indication and then I can catch up on reading and films I may have not had time to enjoy. And I concur on the one child myth bullshit. It's all how you raise them and the knowledge you instill. Be well.
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I don't know why some of you took the bate from the Gabriel person. Once the ban went through, there are left only a lot of incoherent replies to posts that are no longer there. Don't let crazy people hijack a TB...
And then we go from that to the stuff at the end...which is quite touching. The hugs especially, that was sweet.
For the record, it is not called Superman 1. I dig that's an easy way to make clear you're referring to the first film, but it
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I for one loved Batman Begins, it was a splendid film, I honestly do appreciate Chris Nolan as a director, and Christian Bale is one of my favorite actors. I was supposed to watch Spiderman 3 on IMAX, but that didn't work out, so hopefully Dark Knight will be my first IMAX film ever, unless something else visually stunning grabs me before.
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Decides to use a bit of a wider lens this time when it comes to hs fight scenes. That was my only real complaint about the 1st one. All the fight scenes were framed too tight.
Unlike Gabriel Grays mom. Theres plenty of room in there...
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although just as your getting back into your hobbies another child will probably come along. Oh well at least we have retirement to look forward to, then we can catch up.
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IMAX uses 70mm film. The film is pulled sideways through the gate 15 perforations per frame. It works very much like a Vistavision camera which uses 35mm film with an 8 perf horizontal pulldown. (Effectively, the camera is turned on its side, and a larger aperture is employed, but your using spherical lenses, not anamorphic.) A single frame of an IMAX film is ten times the size of a single frame of standard 35mm film pulled down vertically at 4 perfs. Obviously, such a large negative allows for a beautiful print for the massive screens IMAX uses, but when reduced to 35mm projection, the result is an image of remarkable clarity. It's a matter of resolution.
Vistavision cameras are still used today for effects work because of the superior resolution. A larger negative helps reduce generational loss which occurs during the multiple passes an original neg might go through in order to get to a finished effect. But since most film goes through a Digital Intermediate (DI) these days, generational loss is not such a big deal.
It's worth noting that Nolan does not use a DI on his films. He does not like the look. He prefers to finish his films the old-fashioned way. Therefore, IMAX would be a good format for him if he wants a dazzling negative prior to putting his film through the post-production process.
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I'm talking about the Batman fight sequences where there are quick cuts and you can't clearly see what's going on. This is a GOOD thing because it's a FACT that seeing fights with the movie Batsuit always looks so fucking lame. Also, the cuts make Batman seem more like a presence that swoops in and takes people out. Nolan got it right in that you should never see him just walking around in the suit, he should always be in some sort of action pose or offscreen. I tell you the moment I absolutely LOVED, in the warehouse scene when the guys know that Batman's there but they can't see him, you get a sense of real danger, you have to thank Nolan for that.
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the biggest problem. It just seemed like all that fight training was a waste.I'd love to see Batman in a 4 minute tracking shot fight against 40 odd people just like the one in Old Boy.Or imagine how cool a Batman film would be with action like in the Casino Royale embassy chase. They should train Bale in Parkour.
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did you know that the film "The Rules of Attraction" Starring James Van Der Beek, Shannyn Sossaman, Jessica Beal, Fred Savage, etc. is actually somewhat of a sequal to American Psycho. The James Van Der Beek character is actually the brother of Christian Bale's character from American Psycho. The films are actually based on a book trilogy by a really kick ass author, I'll let you wikipedia it out, but if you love reading books, I highly reccomend them. Chris Nolan's Memento is one of my favorite films, Guy Pearce is a great actor, I love his work in Memento, Priscilla Queen of the Dessert, and L.A. Confidential....
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Nice. Thanks for the 411. I could have did some online research, but you summed it up nicely for me. Suffice it to say I understand now. Thanks again and if time allows, I'll try to catch TDK via IMAX. TDK and IM. 2008 is looking nice.
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The fights were staged poorly. The third act, as mentioned elsewhere, was sort of silly. That microwave thingee would have vaporized the water in the cells in the human body; everyone around it would have died. And that massive destruction involving the train was way over the top. I didn't buy the physics of it; the train was going far too fast. Batman himself was well-conceived. Gordon had too many gee whiz moments; almost made him seem like an imbecile. The stuff with Morgan Freeman was a little too pat. I almost expected Bruce Wayne to be pushing a shopping cart like he was at Home Depot. Other than that, a good film. I think Nolan and Bale have figured out the character, and now it's time to turn him loose. I expect this next film to be far superior. In fact, and I am basing this on a gut feeling, I think The Dark Knight may eventually be referred to as the Greatest Comic Book Fillum Evar. (See, the whole "best ever" thing is silly. It's far too subjective. How about we expect these films to be good? Period. Giving them their own sub-classification almost allows them to suck a little and get away with it. I thought what made Batman Begins such a worthy film was that it reached out of the comic book ghetto. It wanted to be taken seriously as a film, not just as a comic book flick.)
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but I don't actually think it is that impressive in terms of Parkour. It doesn't have half the playground like structures and rooftops somewhere like france has.One bit they actualy just ran accross the Millenium Bridge. I could do that. And I'm shit at running.
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You can clearly see Nolan directing in the pic. And the first pic, Joker is standing in backround in his purple suit. Duh!DUH!DUH!
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scenes, and the way the warehouse sequence was staged thrilled me because it reinforced what Batman was about: TERROR. He is to crime what criome is to polite society. But there comes a time when fight scenes need to be handled the way dance sequences SHOULD be shot. You should be able to see it all, head to two, at least for some of the scene. The viewer still concentrates on what he or she chooses, but by showing the performer in full, it sells the action. When you see Jackie Chan doing what he does best, you generally see his entire body. The suit is problematic, but I expect the new suit that's coming in the next film will solve some of the mobility issues and allow for better staging.
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Yeah, it's a nice thought to go look it up, but I wanted to lay it out here before any more misconceptions got spread around.
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Its Bret Easton Ellis and its not a trilogy...its just that most of his books have the same characters in them
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Bret Easton Ellis writes some ugly shit, but damn if it's not enthralling. I thought all three adaptations of his works via film were nice. Kept the feel. What's up with Glitterati and The Informers?
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the problems with BB where due to Nolan being slightly over his head. It was his 1st big movie. Imagine how nuch more confidence he will have this time to concentrate on improving the look and fighting. He has done it all before with the first one, had The Prestige to hone his skills and now knows his actors much better.Also any dodgy dialouge or plotting came from Goyer so brother Nolan should sort that out.I love the fact that while most people think the action in BB is lacking they still love the film. Shows that the action scenes are not as important as character.Ghost World and American Splendor are both fantastic films but I think when people say 'comic book' movie they really are reffering to movies dealing with Superheros etc. It's not like you would put Superman and Ghost World in the same catagory if they didn't come from the same medium.
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would be sweet on film...I think Glitterati is already shot...remember those shots in Rules of attraction with Victor ( i think it is) in europe? Well ends up they shot a lot of footage with him and that is supposed to be Glitterati....I'd just rather them make Glamorama by itself...but Ben stiller beat him to the punch with zoolander
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touch on the key difference. While both comic books and the Saturday morning serials have the serial narrative in common, comic books and graphic novels are a different medium and translating them to the screen can be a formidable challenge. The serials that Lucas and Spielberg fashioned Raiders after are films, and so Raiders is an homage. We can split hairs all we want, however, making distinctions between superhero comics and ones that are reality-based (or mundane), but quite honestly I'm too old for that. Harvey Pekar is a God, and that's all I have to say on the matter! Cheers. (By the way, I realize what a bore I am.)
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ever, it just has the comic tone. Watch it again and then read The Dark kight Returns and see how similar the two are.Paul Verhoven for TDKR film!
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American Splendor and Ghost World respected the source material. Yep, I said it. And they were brilliantly done in every aspect. Hate to keep throwing the word brilliant around, but I'm no wordsmith and that's my opinion. And I think Nolan and crew are showing Batman some much needed respect via film. I really hope TDK doesn't let us down. So far so good I say. Still think they're ripping off Ichi the Killer with the Joker. I shouldn't say ripping off. How about respectful emulation?
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Nolan grew just from the Batman experience. (I think The Prestige was a terrific movie.) Since we never know exactly who's responsible for how characters ultimately develop, I agree it's important to make note of Goyer and I also agree Nolan is ultimately then one on the hook. A good example is the famous bazaar scene where Indy shoots the swordsman. If Ford hadn't been ill and suggested the gun out of exasperation and exhaustion, we would have gone without one of Indy's defining moments. Pulling the gun was practical and because of that completely unexpected, and audiences loved it. It was also quintessentially American, which Indy certainly is.
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Yeah, I know. My point is get that shit out already (Glitterati). The Informers is still slated for next year I believe???? Hurry up already.
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Did you know the director just gave the actor something like $10,000 and a camcorder and sent him off to Europe for 3 months. That was all real. Lucky bastard.Also he visits a bar called Abysinth in the scene which i used to frequent when I lived in Amsterdam for a short while.
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Some good points, sir. I fore one thought the fight scenes were disorienting in theaters, but watching it on DVD wasn't as bad. I think the Nolan brothers will write a better script than Goyer did, altough that was probably Goyer's best work to date. Johnathan has already said that this film, Batman is going to be much more of a detective. That's a good thing. Plus, when the Nolan brothers write scripts they remove all the fat. Nothing uneccessary to the plot. Also, Memento was a short story by Johnathan Nolan, in case you're wondering if he's a good writer or not. I've gotta alot of faith in this one folks. I think we all should.
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Something about BB in the way it was made and way it takes itself serious. I recommend it as a great film to anyone. I don't need to find out if people are comics fans or not. BB is a great film regardless if they know anything about Batman or comics. This specific "comic adaptation" really transcends. It is hard to explain I guess, but that personal opinion is why I have complete trust in Nolan and faith his next Batman venture is going to be just as great. I don't have that doubt you can sometimes get with directors when they make stuff. It seems more professional, if that makes any damned sense.
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so I say have at it. I think certain films beg for reinterpretation. That's why Body Snatchers keeps coming back. I'd like to see someone tale on some more of those films from the 50s that pretty much sucked but still had SOMETHING. As they say, don't remake the films that were good, remake the ones that were bad but had promise. That's where the challenge is.
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quite a team.
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That could so work. If everything was right it could be monumental. They'd really have to be slavish to the source for me though. That was a defining read for me as a kid. Massive impact. I still believe that book deserves all the praise that's heaped on it. They could really fuck it up though. Maybe I don't want to see it realized. Hmmm
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that directing is such a hard overwelming intense complex job that every time a director makes a film he must learn so much. Nolan will be coming to this film with so much confidence. He was probably terrified on the first one.also he will be given much more freedom now WB know that Batman is a viable franchise again.Silverglade - I know what you mean, I made my mum watch BB and she hates comic films or any sillyness in a movie and she said it was brilliant. It really does transend the genre.
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and it shows The informers and the informer both being directing by Gregor Jordan and both having to do with connected stories in LA...weird eh? As for Glitterati...Im almost convinced it will never come out...i mean that was 2004, at least they could put out a dvd or something, looks grim to me
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I really, really hope Snyder pulls that one off. I don't think it'll be the kind of film that has mass appeal, though. Maybe. 300 was testosterone fest! That's why the frat boys loved it. Frat boy closet cases love them Spartans!
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or Robocop and compare them to the news reports throughout TDKR it is a perfect match.As for casting: Kurt Russel as Batman, Richard E Grant as the Joker and Paul Newman as Gordon.Any sugestions for Superman?
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I dunno, why fuck with something like that? Carpenter is a great director and The Thing is probably his closest thing to a perfect movie. They do Body Snatchers once every 5 years cause they all suck. There I said it, even the one with Spock and Jack Bauer's dad. The Thing=The Ill. Also, at least the second pic there looks like a more familiar Joker.
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The opening weekend of that film was god awful. it made like 20 million tops. Everyone was predicting disaster, and slowly but surely word of mouth spread. By the end of the summer it had grossed over 200 mil in the U.S, alone. POTC3, Spidey 3 and many others only make their money that first couple weeks or so. Then everyone realizes that those movies are shit. Truely good films sustain an audience, throughout a run.
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FROWNY CLOWN = BATMAN ABOUT TO SPRING ON THEM.
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Next idea. His ship has sailed. (Damn it, the Mets just beat the Giants. Hell.)
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:( Sad isn't?
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I'll invest in this if you get a proposal together. Kurt Russell. Yes. Richard E. Grant made such an impression in Gosford Park. A shared favorite of my wife and I. Love that film. I've seen it a good fifteen times at least. Paul Newman would be great. If Chris Reeve were still alive sans injury, you know he would be perfect. Don't know who would be a good Kent. Nothing comes to mind. What about Carrie? Who do you think - a no name actress? Love your idea though. And you're spot on with the news casts.....
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Balked in Reyes. Pwn3d
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(and you knew a "but" was coming) but I I think his downfall was not realizing early on that he should collaborate more. And I do need to say that The Fog was TERRIBLE. And how could you leave off your list his best film, Escape from NY???
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That would be wicked.
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I think it was easy to respect the source material with American Splendor and Ghost World as the original comic creators had a major hand in the film production (i.e. Daniel Clowes wrote the screenplay with Zwigoff) and both comics were based on everyday life, so it's easy. It's much more tricky I think to stay true to source material with super-hero comics because sometimes the original material just won't work on the big screen, or there's not enough substance there to begin with and they have to come up with new stuff to give it more resonance or something. And I don't think it's possible to make a faithful decent film adaptation of Dark Knight Returns (I assume that's what TDKR is)
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Benitez is a stiff. And then Delgado jacks one. Truth is that the Mets have a great team. I think it could be a happy October in Queens this year. And I do agree with your take on Carpenter's The Thing. I totally disagree about the two Body Snatchers..they're both terrific. That shriek at the end of the Spock one was nasty, and the pods in the original creeped me out when I was younger.
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Remember the pics that came in that were deemed fake? The ones where Heath was walking by some trailers, taken overhead. Those pics were said to be fake, but if you look at the Joker in the bottom pic, he looks exactly the same. Did anyone else notice that?
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has anyone seen Black Book yet? I still havnt got round to it.Maybe someone unknown for Superman. I always loved the idea of Jim Cavizel for a younger supes but as for an older one in the style of TDKR I'm not sure.It should be someone with massive stature and a great big jawline.I also think it should be filmed on green screen and techniques used to make Bruce, Gordon and Supes all look like they are 7 ft tall. I loved how big Batman was in the TDKR comics.
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Just pretending it isn't happening. Fuck the other reenvisioned films too save the Samurai Seven anime (watched it twice just to make sure it was really that good - yep it was). Oh, and the Criterion 3 disc set is beyond glorious. Tightness abound. Reinterpret The Thing if you must, but nothing will touch Carpenter's. I enjoyed the Dark Horse continuations as a kid and hoped for a sequel with Russell & David. Probably for the best it didn't happen via film come to think of it. Sweet mother that is a fine film. Just watched it again last month matter of fact. That score is AWESOME.
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to Seven Samurai. But this news that it's being remade...blasphemy. BSB isn't far off about Citizen Kane. Why the hell not? Hey, it's in black and white, and kids today HATE b&w flicks, right film execs? Bastards.
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"George Lucas states in the DVD commentary for Star Wars Episode III, that Yoda's running his hand over his head (like Kambei) is a nod to Kurosawa and this movie. Also the line about the farmers lot in life is to suffer is quoted in Star Wars (New Hope) but as droids."
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playing Rosebud. And yes Gabriel has chilled himself out and revealed himself as an intelligent poster.I think all our talk of hugging and being good to each other and raising children touched him.
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Every movie since Seven Samurai is a remake of Seven Samurai.
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I thought Lucas "based" SW on that. Whatever. I'm not a SW guy.
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I think he's lost his edge. Aging does that to most artists, even the ones that have a bone to pick, a grudge to settle with society. Success and wealth can do that to you.
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You're 100% right. I didn't cover my proverbial bases with that. Sorry. I guess I'm just wishing some comic book adaptations were better in many ways. *sigh*
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I took prozac a few years back, it made me feel happy for a bit, but it seemed fake, plus it made me gain some weight. So I quit taking it, and got even more depressed. Anway
flash forward to the present, and talking about the John Carpenter remake of The Thing. I loved it, it's one of my favorite films. I had heard about 2 years ago, that the Sci-Fi channel would be making a mini-series sequel to John Carpenter's The Thing... but I don't know what happened to it, because i havn't heard anything new about it forever.... -
for the hugs. I'm glad Gabe has settled down. He's not half bad in his present state. But I really do not see how we can take his name any way other than what it says. It's quite literal, and inappropriate. Tsk tsk.
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The Long Good Friday: To paraphrase: "The original is a classic but because it is an english film not everyone got a chance to see it". And that is why they are letting Paul fucking Anderson re-make it in Miami because you americans have no way of seeing a film that comes from another country apparently.I never really complain about re-makes becasue there is room for many interpritations of a concept but this makes me want to stab someone.
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respect
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George Lucas ripped a lot for Star Wars. Hidden Fortress, Dune, Seven Samurai, Foundation, Lord of the Rings etc. The reason the Star Wars movies are awesome is because they're a mix of ripoffs from the sci-fi, fantasy, samurai, western genres that create a new whole film. Ask Lucas who his favorite filmaker is and I'll bet you my right testicle he says either Kurosawa, or John Ford, or both.
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has been released at least twice on DVD here in the US. That exec has his head up his ass. Shocker.
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damn fine
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and I personally love foreign films. Some of my favorite films Amelie, City of Lost Children, Devils Backbone, Pan's Labrynth, City of God, Y Tu Mama Tambien, Amores Perros. Just to name a few off the top of my head. I politely ask that you please watch the films I just listed as they are incredible, simply incredible. HUGS TO EVERYONE
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Lucas exec produced that. Who doesn't love Kurosawa?
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because it's in freakin English! Seriously, pjdon, I realize you must be telling the truth, but jeesuym crow, this is why most films SUCK.
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I own em all. Not bragging, just saying. I raise my glass of single malt scotch in your general direction.
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thanks to Netflix--and I tell you, Kurosawa was absolutely amazing, but in his league is Hiroshi Inagaki. The Samurai Trilogy is terrific.
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Hidden Fortress starts with the same scene, the pussy peasant bitching out the one who wants to go on an adventure. Then they help a general protect a princess and carry gold very far to give to the princesses army so she can defend her people from the empire. Sort of like the death star plans, sort of like obi-wan, sort of like Leia, but still, that's the basic plot of any old school adventure story. It's also the same storyline as Super Mario Brothers, but it's hardly the only, or even really the main, inspiration.
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pic. Perhaps people are gun shy over all the fake stuff we've been seeing, but that pic sure looks legit, and I like the look of the Joker.
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Besides Shogun, has Mifune ever disappointed? I love Stray Dog, Red Beard and High and Low to name a few. I've actually got The Samurai Trilogy sitting my my mantle to be viewed this coming weekend. I haven't seen them in a good three years. Now I raise my glass to you sir.
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insane business that was going on earlier. Thanks.
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At first I hated the idea of the chelsea smile, but it's kind of grown on me, as long as he looks more like The Joker in that second pic and less like The Crow from the first one we saw.
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I'm down with you hanging out for a minute. I always am. Hope you are doing well.
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Hire Michael Bay to make the action sequences cooler.
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Now you're in my territory... There have been several flicks directly inspired by Seven Samurai over the years, internationally. Magnificent Seven...really almost any movie with 7 in it. Pixar "Bug's Life" was even one. And there was more than just a few nods taken from "Samurai" for Star Wars. Katsushiro, the young would-be samurai, was an inspiration for Luke Skywalker himself. The village with all the ronin walking about mirrors Mos Eisley. The samurai's ineptness against the bandit's gun(new mechanized technology) mirrors the rebellion's ineptness against the Death Star. And yes, Can'tBe Named, Star Wars owes its existence to "Hidden Fortress." But back to Batman...
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Old Boy, Spring Summer Autum Winter and Spring, The Great Ecstacy of Robert Carmicheal (well it's British), Save The Green Planet, Japanese Story.
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Gotham will be drenched in sunlight. Lens flare for everyone!
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but the Joker is many things, and I have a tremendous amount of faith in the Nolans.
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Love that movie, and Tarantino should remake the American version.
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You could also make the same argument that Luke Skywalker is King Arthur and Obi-Wan/Yoda is Merlin. The great stories are the ones that span all cultures, something in our shared memory. This can't be denied as part of the reason these movies are so similar, and part of the reason they are able to touch so many people on the same level.
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I Just saw a preview for a new television show on the FX channel, it premiers on July 24th, at 10pm. It's called "Damages" it stars Glenn Close, it looks like it could be more than fairly entertaining.
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in the pic above is Batman in disguise. I like that idea, he infiltrates the gang and then springs on them in the bank.
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That would be a very Batman-esque tactic, and while it would be cool, I would probably assume that's the Joker before his chemical-bath. (or whatver causes his change.) They'll probably make him a bank-robber with a gimic who winds up scarred into looking like a clown. Oh the irony.
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Star Wars, The Matrix, Harry Potter, And tons and tons of others. Read A Hero with A Thousand Faces. Great book about the Hero's journey through the eyes of every culture that was written over fifty years ago. It's just the same story over and over again.
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no remake/reenvisioning needed. I even like the film over the original manga, although it hasn't finished here in the states.....
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no remake/reenvisioning needed. I even like the film over the original manga, although it hasn't finished here in the states.....
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Their history is terrific source material, if I might abuse the term. I still think it's incredible how the Japanese people have managed to live their lives with the constant threat of all those damned monsters!
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I guess I really love Oldboy.
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There is nothing else to say. I do like the Joker tease though.
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Not seen Sword of doom.
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Samurai are the Japanese version of American Cowboys. Probably even more closely related to European Knights, but for cinema's sake we'll say Cowboys. Anything you see on film is a purely idealized form of the real history.
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and since I heart anime....
If you enjoy watching Japanime, I recommend the works of Hayao Miyazaki. My personal favorite from Miyazaki is "Spirited Away". Check it out, or any of his work out if you have the opportunity -
I haven't lived in the Bronx in over a year, and while I live in Brooklyn now, I sort of like the dual meaning of Bronx Cheer. One being the raspberry noise that fans made at ball players they didn't like, and two being a very genial wish for good cheer coming to you from what was then the Bronx. The first five responses will weigh heavily in my decision-making process...thanks for playing.
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I agree. Japanese and if I may add Korean cinema far exceeds most American cinema. My personal and humble opinion - it's just my preference. I never bring it up since I love it so and tire of assholes talking shit about Asian cinema. It revered by many for good reason.
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He has a secret knowledge about the Truth of his world. He is "The Chosen One". He has A Master who teaches him to learn his special abilities. He destroys the Gate keeper, who is ruler of the underworld. He becomes Master of two worlds. The Hero either dies at the end of his journey, or lives and shares the secret knowledge with every one else. Oh, and it doesn't have to be a He. It can be woman as well, but there are slight variations in the female hero's journey. It's all the same. Also, Lord of the Rings, Narnia, and many others use this style of narrative.
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best kids film ever. So happy and nice. Really is perfect. Spirited Away comes close second.
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I'm a big Jidaigeki/Chambara freak, so if that's you thing too, then I recommend Sword of Doom.
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Don't change your name. I love it. Leave it.
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or Brooklyn Queer...HA HA I said queer. Ha.Korean cinema is probably the fastest growing film industry in the world. Did anyone see The Host.
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Several years ago I was hanging out with some Korean friends, and we watched part of a movie I "assume" it was Korean, but I'm not totally sure. Anyway it seemed like some sort of psychologically murder mystery, i.e. "Se7en". All I really remember about the film, is some people go into an elevator, and there's a garbage bag in the corner of the elevator, and the bag burts open, spilling forth blood and body parts. If anyone knows what film this is, and could please tell me the title, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank You HUGS TO EACH AND EVERYONE
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Wow, a talkback about movies. I always wanted a Batman film made in Japan. That would have been sweet.
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at me more than the once or twice it has been. Considering how uncivil the TBs can be sometimes, that's a pleasant surprise. If I was gay...hey, how many times have you started I sentence with "If I was gay...?" For instance, If I was gay, I would hit Ewan McGregor tell it bleeds!
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that you're all so excited for the next Batman movie that you are'nt arguing over irrelevant stuff like Japanese Cinema.
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The Dark Knight ReturnsProduced by Paul VerhovenDirected by Chan-wook Park (Old Boy)StarringKurt Russell as BatmanPaul Newman as Commisioner GordonRichard E Grant as The JokerJessica Alba as RobinThats as far as I've got.
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My Neighbor Totoro is, indeed, Miyazaki's finest. My daughter has watched that film a good 30-40 times within the last seven months. She loves it. And I just can't get sick of it. I even bought her the Children's Picture Book via Viz Media and the Art Book for myself. She loves that book as much as the film. I am still having difficulty finding the right Totoro and Neko Bus plush toys for the right price. Lots of merch out there and I must confess I haven't spent enough time on looking. Wish I could take her to the museum to play on the bus. She'd probably go nuts. After that, I gotta say Nausicaa/Mononoke/Spirited tie three way style for me. My daughter loves my wife's Kodama sock hat i.e. it is now hers. Film's a little too severe for a three year old though.
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Track down the Dark Horse "Thing" comics to find out what happens immediately after the film ends. You sound like a severe Thing fan like me, so I think it will be worth your time and money. John Higgins does the art for the first arc. Beautiful.
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Yes, Kurosawa himself borrowed from Western Culture for his films, and you could say Lucas borrowed from a lot of stuff, but, I've said before, that in my estimate, Lucas owes about 65% of Star Wars:New Hope to "Hidden Fortress" and Kurosawa, a fact that hardly gets mention in official histories. Basically, take "Hidden Fortress", add in a Katsushiro (young apprentice character for the male audience), transcribe it to a galaxy, far, far away and you have "Star Wars." Besides the similarities you pointed out earlier, There's the two comedic peasants being captured to be used as slaves just like 3PO and R2, There's the epic sword duel between General Rokurota Makabe (Obi-Wan) and his old friend/nemesis General Tadokoro, just like you know what. There's Makabe's constant use of mind tricks over lesser characters, just like the Jedi mind trick, There's the use of the gun that signifies the encroachment and impending doom of mechanized technology over the old ways just like the Death Star, There's the award ceremony at the end of the film just like New Hope's. There's the idea that even the smallest weakest worst characters can make a difference for good, the two bumbling greedy peasants or General Tadokoro compared to 3PO/R2 or Han/Chewie, or even Darth Vader. General Tadokoro (our resident Darth Vader) redeems himself at the end and becomes Rokurota's friend again, saving both him and the Princess. Although that's from ROTJ, I'm mostly referring to New Hope, which would have been the only film had New Hope not done well, with Darth Vader's redemption left untold. So there you go.
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my child Miyazaki's films. They are so much more intelligent and full of wonder than Disney crap these days.I love the idea of getting the art book etc for the child too.Does she watch it subtitled? It's just that I don't find the youngest girl to be half as cute (and she is the cutest onscreen child in the history of cinema)when dubbed and it would be a great way to get a child reading.
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Fuck the haters. I thought The Host was awesome - plot holes and all. I already have the collector's edition pre-ordered. The Korean DVD Special Edition is sick. Here I am blabbering. Did you even like it? Kang-ho Song, or however you write it, is one of my new favorite actors. I'll watch him in anything. Loved his performance, obviously, in The Host. I was actually lucky enough to see in on the big screen. I think it was only released to like 75 screens or something.
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Neil Patrick Harris as Batman
Gary Coleman is Robin
Dennis Franz is Commission Gordon
Crispin Glover is Alfred
Howie Mandel is the Joker
Halle Berry is Catwoman
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Tell Me Something? H? Ugh, I can't recall. Have to watch those two again.
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might have made a few bad moves but his device of using news clips to flesh out the social aspects of his films (see Robocop and starship Troopers) makes him a perfect match. TDKR is very close to Robocop in terms of style and subject.Wasn't Frank Miller interested in writing Robocop 2 or something?
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might have made a few bad moves but his device of using news clips to flesh out the social aspects of his films (see Robocop and starship Troopers) makes him a perfect match. TDKR is very close to Robocop in terms of style and subject.Wasn't Frank Miller interested in writing Robocop 2 or something?.
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it said it wouldnt go through 1st time
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I would say about 20 percent of the time it's dubbed, the rest subbed. I agree, I'm one of those original language only freaks, but she's three and not reading yet. Give her time. She likes Kiki now though. Picked up those books for her and myself too. Nice.
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there was much hate towards the Host.
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Filmmakers that made films based on an intense knowledge of previous films. Spielberg, Coppola, DePalma, and Scorsese were all part of this new generation. Almost all their films referenced other films heavily. DePalma took from Hitchcock. Spielberg took from sci-fi. Scorsese's "Taxi Driver" is an amalgamation of films by Robert Bresson, particularly "Pickpocket" except for that really bloody ending... and Lucas took from Kurosawa. Believe it.
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Filmmakers that made films based on an intense knowledge of previous films. Spielberg, Coppola, DePalma, and Scorsese were all part of this new generation. Almost all their films referenced other films heavily. DePalma took from Hitchcock. Spielberg took from sci-fi. Scorsese's "Taxi Driver" is an amalgamation of films by Robert Bresson, particularly "Pickpocket" except for that really bloody ending... and Lucas took from Kurosawa. Believe it.
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The haters on imdb are merciless towards The Host. But what do expect?
Miller did write Robocop 2. Hollywood raped the hell out of it. A faithful script adaptation via sequential art just wrapped. Avatar. Nine issues of Miller/Grant/Ryp tightness. I enjoyed the hell out of it. His story finally realized in comic form is better than never at all. The collection is out there if you are interested. -
Sorry guys. You get the gist of what I'm attempting to say......
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in opinions on IMDB. Will check out avatar
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Adam West...Batman, William Shatner...Comm. Gordon (ret.), George Carlin ...Joker, Burt Ward...Two Face, Linda Carter...Selina Kyle, and featuring John Travolta as the New Robin...
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Here you go pjdon
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that. Robocop is on the brink of being quite good. How much is an average workprint set you back?
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David Bowie.
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Batman: Alec Baldwin on a diet. Joker: Ralph Feines. Gordon: Stacy Keach. Two Face: doesn't matter. New Robin: doesn't matter.
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Just looked over on Amazon at FM's Robocop and saw his Robocop v Terminator. Brought back memories of the old Megadrive (UK name for the Sega Genesis) game.
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'The greatest actor in the world'
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Thank You!! Yes! It's gotta be Tell Me Something! That name definately rings a bell, thank you thank you thank you
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also it was just the publiser avatar we where reffering to but the Avatar poster does interest me. Don't suppose you have a link to windows media playa version?
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or Teen Wolf? Just kidding.
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have you seen this months issue of Empire magazine? They made 30 different covers each with a different character on. Heres a link to their web site http://tinyurl.com/3cfaus
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them all. I was stood in the newsagents for about an hour trying to decide (Han Solo in the end of course).It was like that scene in Family Guy where Peter is in the video shop trying to decide which Ernest film to rent.
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Ray Winstone(-30 lbs)...Bruce Wayne/Batman, Tim Roth...Joker, Gary Oldman...Two-Face, Alfred Molina...Comm. Gordon, Judy Davis...Selina Kyle, David Warner...Alfred, David Bowie(digitally altered)...Superman, and Little Miss Sunshine as the New Robin...
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CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN should play Robin.
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with Billy Dee Williams as Batman
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...as the Mutant Leader, and sorry, but this year's Little Miss Sunshine is New Robin...
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Sorry we're closing sir.
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FRIENDLY NEIGHBOURHOOD BAAAATMAN!
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And then Ron Howard shit all over it with Ransom. High and Low, Rashomon and Ikiru are personal favs when speaking of Kurosawa. I haven't seen all his stuff, but I own most of it. I guess I'm a Kurosawa fanboy. High and Low really is the shit and I recommend it to anyone and everyone.
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My pleasure. Exploding Body Bags = Tell Me Something
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I ahven't actually seen High and Low. You know when there is a film that you keep meaning to watch for years but you never get round to it. I had it out on dvd twice, 1st time it didn't work and 2nd time I was just putting it on and my tv blew.It's like a wierd Kurosawa curse or something.
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but just found it and ordered it on Amazon for a fiver. Looks good. Thanks for the recomondation.
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Hope you like it. One of the first Korean films I experienced. No shit.
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Got to hit the sack. It's almost 1 a.m. here and the little one will be up in about five hours. Be well guys/gals.
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it has easily overtaken Japanese cinema as the cult favorite. Have you seen Save the Green Planet. It is easily as good as old boy and really defies catagorization. In a way it is also a sequal/prequal to 2001: A Space Oddysey, watch it and by the end you will realize why. Also the entire soundtrack is made up of different versions of Somewhere Over The Rainbow
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it is 7.00 in the morning here in the UK and I have just finished work.Really good TB tonight, good to see all the love and hugs.Laterz all.
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get a job!
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This was a good talkback - shame I missed so much of it. I'm glad to see the power of positivity was able to overwhelm that Gabriel guy and turn him back to the good side.Also, I think we have all decided that Batman Returns is the superior film (snicker).
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Mickey Rourke as BATMAN
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Whoever said Superman: the Movie was campy needs to watch the "Making of..." again and listen to what Tom Mankiewicz had to say about that exact topic. (Or simply look up the meaning of the word.)
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think the 2nd image is the joker
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any idea of what he's playing? Is there any chance his character will fuck a cat at some point in the movie?
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and is there any mention of cat fucking? I think that the concept is hilarious...
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I don't agree at all. Funny doesn't mean campy. A good example of campy would be the 60's Batman TV show or the films of John Waters, not this film. It simply had a sense of humor about itself and great comedic performances.
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I think the Joker wears a clown mask and when he takes it off in front of a guard, it reveals that the face underneath is grotesquely like the mask itself. This pic on this page looks like a Joker halloween mask on a person and the angle looks like he is talking over someone. I read somewhere online that this is how the Joker reveals his face.
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that's the one I'm referring to.
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It isnt on the USA Today Website
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I just finished watching Pan's Labrynth(?) and if you haven't seen the movie yet SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER towards the end of the movie when Mercedes sticks the knife in the Captain's mouth and cuts him, the scar that remains is this perfect curled up half smile. I couldn't help but think that that is how the Joker should look. The smile (even though it was only half of his mouth) was perfect and very creepy looking the way it curled up at the end. I can see the Joker taking a knife and slitting his mouth the same way and he would have a perfect permanent smile. Anyone who has seen this movie think the same?
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Hey man, sorry I went to bed shortly after posting last night. Things are good by me, how are ya?
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nope
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It's not that I feel that "BATMAN BEGINS" had absolutely no style. It's not that I feel that it had no beautiful shots, because there were a few. As you mentioned, there were some nice shots in the mountains, including the flags. And personally, my favorite shot was when Batman dropped down within the stairwell, with his cape out wide (as there had to be some exaggeration there, with the use of a larger cape, specifically for that shot). That was an absolutely beautiful shot. I LOVED that shot. You've got to have those Batman money-shots, you know? I feel that Nolan's lifelike approach leans a little too close to reality in visual terms, with not enough visual entertainment, from that artistic perspective. I love David Fincher's cinematic eye because even within the bounds of a story based on real life (or reality), within a real city, he STILL manages to make his movies beautiful to look at,...even if what is being presented is quite disturbing. His movies, however you feel about the stories he tells, are visually exciting. I just LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the guy's eye for the camera...and what he shows within it. He has an artist's eye, as does Peter Jackson,...yet Jackson is on another end of the spectrum. Basically,...Batman movies should LOOK the coolest of cool,...in a nerd trying to be cool speak.
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No sweat. Life is good here. Taking my daughter to zoo after lunch. ........................ "Take her to the zoo, I hear retards like the zoo." ....................... My daughter is thankfully no retard, but any time I mention the zoo that line pops into my sad, juvenile mind. Sigh. We're bound to run into each other in the future. Certainly after 7/4/7. AICN may even implode around that time. Should be a riot. Be well.
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He must!
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I just didn't have any problems with Batman Begins. I really thought it was high grade entertainment. My only problem was Katie Holmes. Just a little too irksome for me. I can't really say why, I just don't like her. Glad she's moved on. Regardless, despite the fact that I understand and see all the points/observations/critiques, I just can't fully subscribe to them regarding this film. I don't disagree with them all, I just don't share the same feelings so to speak. Point of fact, I thought the fight sequences were great. I have no issues with the so called shaky cam (Bourne, Gladiator, Man on Fire, Domino et. al.). But that's just me i.e. a simple man. I guess the whole point of this diatribe is that I love this site due mostly to the fact that there are so many viewpoints out there which are shared. You ladies and gentlemen bring many things to light that I would normally overlook which ultimately garners a greater appreciation of film for me. I really hope the Nolan brothers knock this one out of the park. I really do. This looks to be something kick ass on all levels. As does Iron Man. Thanks for reading.
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I should also add that while I don't mind it, I do prefer the style of Oldboy and Children of Men. And speaking of shaky cam, bring on The Bourne Ultimatum! Truly the one summer film I am looking forward too.
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I most certainly agree with you on Dark Knight & Iron Man. I don't think I've ever looked forward so much to TWO comic book movies in the SAME year. Please don't make me weep like a little girl in disappointment..And the Bourne Ultimatum, if it's like the first two, will be great. For me, Damon is so great in that role, even though others on this site didn't buy him as an assassin.
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I have to agree, specially now that I've seen pictures of the Joker's face thanks to the viral campaign. I think we have a clear picture of what the joker will look like, I don't know why there's any question about it anymore.
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down the thugs who he takes the ciggerette from in OLD BOY ('can 15 years of imaginary training be put to use?'...'Apparently it can') but with Batman. It's more brawling than martial arts but I always thought Batman shoulsd have a bit of a brawler style instead of clean martial arts style.
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If you do see a retard at the zoo point out to its minder that retards love the zoo and see what happens.Go on just for a laugh.And don't let the wee one see any wanking chimps
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is that the film should be from Batmans perspective not the thugs. I love in BB when he is snatching the guy into the cargo holder and stuff but when he begins actually fighting them and its all just flashes is lacks any intensity. Like I said it's kind of like the fight training Nolan put him through was a bit of a waste.
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I am happy at least someone else on this site thinks so. Damon = Bourne. No debate. I totally concur. He's just so right and I am a big fan of Damon. I really don't care that the films are nothing like the books. I just pretend they are ElseWorld Tales. They're just so good to me. No doubt about the TWO comic book films in one year thought. Suffice it to say, I will be shocked as shit if one or both fail. *crosses fingers*
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Total. Fucking. Destruction.
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fools - those aren't ninjas. Did you completely fall asleep during A League of Extrodinary Gentleman (nevermind, thats not a fair question - we all did).
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Fuck it boys and girls, if its a good film we wont be complaining anymore. Im drunk and Irish and proud of it u cunts. Sorry cunt was strong but hey, as Ive said - Irish. We have a way with words
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Having just now seen the Fountain, what a beautiful movie. Does anybody know where to find the script he and Miller did for their Bat-film version? He's about the only one i could see do do as good a job as Nolan. Possibly more breathtaking, probably less commercially successful. Thanx Supercowbell for the hi-res, is looking very fragging good.Nyahahaha.one year to wait.Buhuuuuu.
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http://tinyurl.com/8jtnuIt's not bad - definitely a more badass, violent type of Batman, which is what you'd expect from Frank Miller. I'm not a huge fan of that super-exaggerated macho thing he does, but Miller fans would probably have liked his take on the film. It's not for kids, though, and I'm not surprised they never made it. Who do you sell a film like that to? (apart from AICN types who always want everything to be R rated)
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Very much appreciated. More badass & violent sounds very good to me. I also find Miller a bit flat and repetitive, but he is good at telling a dark yarn and be striking. I bet Aaronofsky would have infused the thing with a lot of depth. Considering how for instance 300 did very well being bloody, i think it goes to show that a lot of comic fans have grown up and want a serious and all-out take on their comic heroes. People are bored with everything being kid-friendly these days. I mean apart from all the kids that loved Spidey...Started reading the script, it sounds like a radically altered Elseworld with a lot of liberties taken..
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Is what that script made me think. First i was a bit amused, and annoyed at the glaring changes made in the basic premise of the Bat universe. But in the end i was impressed and awed. I think Miller crafted a primal Batman here, and Aaronofsky would have made it into an immortal classic noir film. Studios are wimps and are lucky to ever make a hit.
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ill still watch it tho
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