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A new International TRANSFORMERS poster is discovered!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Once again SectorSeven.org has a nifty bit of TRANSFORMERS goodness. Right now, they have tons of stuff... click the above link, password: codeblack... my favorites are if you double-click on the red harddrive icon on the left and watch the videos. Some of you might have seen a big to do about this section a couple weeks back because you get a glimpse of a dinobot in one of the videos. The rest are equally fun.
Anyway, the news is some dudes over at Buzznet dug up the International poster. Check below to get a look!
It's pretty, but kinda oddly laid out. Almost has the feel of those Wal-Mart collage posters you see every summer for the big movie, like STAR WARS or PIRATES. What are your thoughts?
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am i first?
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haha!
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really not too excited about this...
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Huh? Anybody? Anyone? Anything? At all?
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I think I might have under-estimated just how BIG this movie might be. I saw Pirates in a packed house on friday, with mostly teens, kids and families, and they went APE-SHIT for the trailer for Transformers. Seriously. Their enthusiasm almost got me psyched to see the film. (even though it'll probably suck) Still, this film is gonna make some mucho dinero...
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Or Does Optimus looks alittle Asian?.Plus demonic Megatron still doesnt work for me.If you can sustain disbelief that there walking talking advanced robots whos technologys way more advanced then ours then you can believe that he WOULD turn into a gun that other robots can fire.
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Or does this site shill for Bayformers? It seems Harry and co have gotten a LOT of presents from this thing, huh?
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my girlfriend's brother, who's an even bigger TF fan than I am, is not. He doesn't like that the robots don't look like the cartoon.
Oh well, can't please everybody.
I know I'll see it. I saw the trailer during POTC too and the audience was rocking for it.
This will do 200 million it's opening weekend, I guarantee it.
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So the old designs aren't good enough for the movie but aparantly are good enough for all their viral marketing, man these people are the worst examples of what hollywood has to offer!
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Once again, I hate to deflate a conspiracy theory, but we cover Transformers a lot because the coverage is requested. Shocking isn't it? Look at the talkbacks for the trailer, for the posters, for the stills... most of them have broken 1000.Yes, I visited the set, but I only did it when I had an agreement from Paramount/Dreamworks that I could write exactly what I felt. They gave me a lot of access and agreed to that stipulation. I never once submitted my story for "approval," and I accurately depicted how Bay acted on set, how his actors behaved, etc.I know nothing I can say will sway you from thinking this site is bought, but I thought I'd paint the fuller picture for the rest of the people out there.
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AGGGGGGGGGGGGGH! I'll have to think on my feet: Me: 'Yes darling I know your in a lot of pain but I just have to pop the loo'A few hours later...Me: "Hi, i'm back. Sorry, what? Why am I making transforming sounds? Why is there popcorn on my top? I don't know, wierd eh. Can we call him Optimus?"
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So far, thats the only worthwhile transformers poster.
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How about covering some other fucking films? Transformers is going to make a buck and a half from its fanboys, and that's it.
Oooh, a poster! Slap me.
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...on one side anytime they stray from some source material it's about how fucking stupid it is and how bad the movie is going to be, but then there's stuff like this where they've strayed so far from the design scheme where the characters are almost unrecognizable but it's all about how great it's going to be that causes some doubt in the legitimacy of the criticism or lack there of.
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megatron looks fuckin cool to me
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...go to any movie website and the headlines include Transformers every day. get over yourself.
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GRIMLOCK!!!! that video was awesome..is he gonna be in the movie>?
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article to complain about how there is a transformers article.It's like Jack Thompson logic.
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no way!!!??? bumble bee is a beetle and transforms...im guessing this wont be in the movie but it looks bad ass
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...they throw those out there and none of that is going to be part of the movie and the design scheme is completely bunk, it's like their just rubbing it in our faces, "We could have done that but nah, we're doing this instead"
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Good thing Shia is right in the center of it though, cause that's what's gonna put butts in the seats.
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Die Hard : some oohs and ahhs and scattered applause that went away FAST when Kevin Smith showed up (cough)
Ratatouille: No reaction during the trailer; no applause, no LAUGHS. Then, when it ended, there was a genuine groundswell of seemingly heartfelt applause and cheers. (which I felt was more for PIXAR in general, since I live in the Bay Area, probably a lot of people in the audience were employees. Hell, maybe THAT'S why Transformers was so well received?)
By far the worst reaction was for
Evan Almighty: derisive laughter and
cat-calls. (man, if Steve Carell was in the audience he would have walked out in TEARS!) Yeah, I was surprised by all the reactions. (and also how damn NOISY everyone was, and not just the kids and teens. Fucking assholes!) -
Did a lenticular poster showing a vehicle turning into a bot not cross anybody's mind in the marketing department? Transformers are generally known for their ability to transform. You think they'd want to highlight this in the marketing, rather than pictures of the robot's faces. Or at least posters of the cars and the tag "More then meets the eye." Or, if they must show them in robot form, then use a still from the film when they are in mid fight. Anything is better then the face posters we've gotten so far.
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to me. The general public have shit for brains. They flock to Wild Hogs, The Mr Bean Movie and Norbit.Nuff said.
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Its cool to see the cartoon designs in live action..but with a movie of this scale itd be dificult to keep them in that form. It would look kind of cheesy to a lot of people. Im sure even in classic form they would change the designs. Something fucking awesome would be to see them do a live action T.V. series of transformers with these designs.
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No matter how close he is to Bay or how much time he has spent on set he will still say if the film dissapoints him.If you look at a magazine like Empire they will do a set report, interview each actor and the director of a film then give it 1 star if they don't like it. All in one issue.What is wrong with him being excited, he likes what he has seen, so do a lot of people. Just because he doesn't care if the robots don't look like the original toys.
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It makes things look more heroic.Sometimes i wish real life looked like Bay film. In england everything is seen through a grey filter.
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Photoshop fanjob.
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but i think the shot of LaBeouf n Fox gazing wistfully at nothing imparticular is new.
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...sure would have me in front of the line selling out my integrity. Idiot. Also, as far as access goes, that's part of the JOB that any journalist gets. There are also some journalists that take a hell of a lot more "perks" than being flown out to a set, trust me. Also, you have to remember, this is a geek web-site, most of us casual Transformers fans/geeks can look at this and be excited about a GIANT ROBOT movie. If you want to hate it before you see it, that's fine (it really is). But don't accuse someone else of being "bought out" just because they differ from your anticipation of a fun looking summer flick. If you want to read other people's thoughts that didn't get set access, and are hating the film... there are plenty of bitter ass bloggers out there for you to read. AICN is not the only choice. Also, as far as telling someone not to listen to talkbackers, Quint was probably referencing the people that get on here to be trolls and will say shit just because their heads are full of it. Remember, there are people that "talk back" in here giving constructive thoughts and feedback... then there are "talkbackers"... people that are here just to hide behind their keyboards and bitch because they're so fucking miserable they can't help but ooze that shit out of their finger tips and onto the internet.
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a smoke with. He'd say stuff like 'duuuuude, those robots, maaaan, they where really cars and i just couldn't stop looking at Megans tits, man they where big, robots dude.'
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In a season when 3rd-quels collectively stunk up the joint, TRANSFORMERS will prevail!!!
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I don't see how it is the editors' responsibily to manage the neurosis of the talkbackers. So you're not satisfied with them telling you what to see, you want them to tell you when they've been paid to tell you what to see?Get a little discernment.
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him telling LaBeouf to ignore us that i agree. It is one thing for us to slag Bay, i'm sure he can take it. And he is making the film. But slagging of LaBeouf and saying he will ruin the whole film just because a few jealous people don't like his face...Well that is negative and unjust.
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May 27, 2007 6:43:02 PM CDT
I'll admit it--I'm won over and buying toys later today
by dead youngling
My Fred Meyer for some reason released them early. Only the REAL transformer toys, and the middle-sized cars like bumblebee and jazz. No prime yet
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equals looking bad ass. We all know this. Forget the 'flames on Prime' catchphrase, it's 'emo Prime' catchphrase now, baby! BTW, this post was total sarcasm to those of you lacking in brain power (and are among those that think this movie will be anything other than shit).
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I've seen the newest Bayformer trailer three times in theaters so far. The first time was before Shrek 3. There was one group of drunken frat boys in the first row who were whoopin' and a'hollerin', but other than that? Crickets. When the frat boys cheered, I yelled "Don't encourage him!" and that got a bigger cheer than the trailer did. Second time, same reaction. (this was before PotC3) Mostly silence, with one small group cheering. Third time (PotC3 again), no audience reaction whatsoever. Although I did hear a couple of teenage girls right behind me whispering about how cute Shia is, and how they have to see it now.
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do we really need a hot female lead in every fucking movie?
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NEVER use lens flares.
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...I've got a feeling this film is gonna be quite big...
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what is the trailer like before POTC 3? is it the same as shrek 3?
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I used to keep a little torch on my head so when people looked at me i had a lens lare effect. Then i painted myself slightly orange. And would make people walk in slow circles around me as i spoke.It's hard work pretending your in a Bay movie.
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Yeah, same trailer. Oddly enough, the Evan Almighty trailer before PotC3 was slightly different from the Shrek 3 one. Maybe 5-10% of it was changed. I have no idea why.
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Some of you folks need to grow up and smell adulthood. Looking for conspiracies about whether Quint and Harry get favors to report favorably on a movie or whatever. Sometimes they get a bit more access and give us reports and stories about things we are interested in knowing about. The guys making the movies give them a bit more access than they give you or me so that the word can get out to us. Makes sense to me. That's how this part of reality works. Quint and Harry and Moriarty can either act like lapdogs and say only good wonderful things and lose credibility or they can do what they always do which is give us the info, their opinions and let us have the next thousand posts to discuss it. Wow, those bastards! They are definitely criminals or whatever.
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Transformers will be the new 300....Controversy will rule!!!!
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"My, God. What is this thing?" "We're under attack!" "We are war with a technologically superior race." " What you're about to see is TOTALLY classified." "No.NO.NO.NO.NO.NOOOO!" "You shoot. I'll drive."
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The poster doesn't make a damn diffence to me as to how the movie is going to be. We ALL know how its going to be no matter what kind of poster we see. First off , I do side with meltedfacetoht on some points that he made, how can some AICN reports really be so excited knowing that the storyline is; in the simplest form, a boy buys a car just to try to get impress/get laid possibly? by the girl he likes. Honestly, who can get really excited about that and have the title TRANSFORMERS??? I don’t doubt that the action and special effects are going to be mind boggling but the story is what draws in the loyal fans of Transformers. And this movie is nothing different that if you add Lassie instead of Bumble Bee.
This movies will, unfortunately make a shit load of money regardless what is being said in here. The saddest things is that this the evidence is overwhelming that this movie is a blasphemy to the TRAMSFORMERS legacy and to its fans, and STILL it will make a shit load of money. Its disgusting and ridiculous to see how Hollywood and some of these great directors just butcher a property with so much potential and such a loyal following that they willing go off the built material and just totally fuck it up and shit on every one that really wants to see a honest to__(what ever god you believe in) REAL Transformers movie done right not the “Hollywood way.” I do think that there is some unbiased opinion in the site and its showing. But the fact of the matter is that this movie is nothing more than another Hollywood movie shitted out just to make money and piss off the loyal fan base of the TRANSFORMERS. R.I.P. Transformers long live the Bayformers. -
is fucking hilarious to me....where the fuck are you guys going to the movies?? and it seems that people who hate this film claim the theatres are silent....and the people who love it are claiming when it plays its like the lights have just gone down at a concert and the band are hitting the stage....it all sounds like shit to me....99% of the time I go to the movies I could not claim to know what people thought of the trailers because no one is cheering or whooping or doing anything.
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Well said, its fucking sad. Bay thought that he was making more people happy and acceptant of the movie by CHANGING it for no fucking reason at all. But i'm sure he's shocked by this but people are more pissed than anything. Live and learn, sucks it had to be a lesson taugh on a cool fucking mythology like Transformers. MBFL.
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Look, I dont mean to sound mean and/or angry, so I appologize for my tone in advance, k? First, lets visit the drastic changes in critical analysis. Bryan Singer rolls out the red carpet treatment for AICN and surprise, Superman Returns is the bee's knees. X3 gives you comparitive silence and its viewed as the scourge of humanity. Grindhouse opens you guys with welcome arms and receives accolades that seem to skip over the fact that Grinhouse suffered from a weak first half and an uneven script in Deathproof. 300 ignores AICN and is predictably met with a chorus of "mehs" and mixed reviews. Spiderman 3 is helmed by a favorite director and its obvious flaws and inadequacies are quietly hushed and left unspoken right until opening day! And those are just a few examples of DRASTIC changes in AICN reaction. Don't even get me started on this site's other dubious actions. Don't get me wrong, however; I really love this site. A lot of nice people frequent the joint and supply some of the wittiest comments I've read. This site, warts and all, has been #1 on my bookmark list, and I hope that says quite a lot. You cannot ignore, however, that this site has nothing close to journalistic intengrity (The NY times notwithstanding). Yes, I'm noticed that every TF thread seems to get an excess of a thousand hits, but I've also noticed that you guys always post TF threads on weekends and other slow news periods. But when you guys, you in particular, post an entirely new thread about one single international poster when there is a perfectly usable thread already devoted to posters just a few lines down, then you are either a)shilling, b)desperate for hits) or c)lazy. Personally, I'd have to go with all of the above.
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if it gets them hits it gets them hits. i'm sure they know what they're doing since they are the ones looking at the hit count and not you. why do you care enough to bitch about it? holy shit.
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There has never been a live action TF movie before. Unless you wanted him to include big pink girl Transformers and musical numbers like the animated movie.
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This site does indeed play favorites when it comes to those that cater to AICN. No big conspiracy. Hell, its probably even natural, I suppose. But to then get your feathers in a ruffle when someone like myself points this out...well, it simply smacks of an overly defensive nature, doesn't it?
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I'm quoting Harry's future review of this movie.
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let alone trailers. The one time i saw some cheers was at the end of The Matrix. I always want to clap and cheer when a film or trailer is really good. Just isn't the doe thing over here.Although talking is pretty much absent from a cinema here which is definately a good thing.I saw the first Spiderman in Reno while i was in the states and there where just people having full conversations all the way through. I couldn't believe it. Is that normal over there?
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He'll be like, Oh, well it certainly has its "flaws", but it's still a great summer popcorn flick. Ha. SELLOUTS!
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I just didn't need to post it, is all.And Bruticus, the only reason I mentioned the posts was in RESPONSE to Quint and not for the hell of it, as you seem to imply.
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...we all got/get perks, whether it's a party invite (hell that's where I met Quint at the Cronenberg shin-dig at CC 2005 for History of Violence) or a set visit or free shwag, it's all a matter of how swayed you are by it. I don't believe that Quint by any means is bought out by anyone, I think he's not a hardcore TF fan, and if you're not a hardcore fan it's not going to matter much. And let's face it, if all you've been shown is money shot after money shot it's going to look sweet to anyone who isn't going to nit pic over character design and even then if you're never shown a good shot of what they look like and only see Prime you're going to think it looks sweet. As far as the perception of being bought I think that comes in when you selectivly criticise films based on the same criteria (i.e. faithfullness to source material/charcter design)it's easy to make that leap when FF2 is blasted for Cloudactus, X3 for a completely hackery of some of the best X-tales out there, but when it comes to TF there's nothing wrong with the characters looking totally different, the bulk of the story following the human characters, or all the other departures from the source materials. I've always felt if you're going to hold a standard of judgement you need to apply it to all things you judge and if faithfullness to source material is one of those things then you have to apply it to all things no matter how versed you are in the source material as a whole.
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He'll say alot of bad things about it to make all the haters happy. And so people think this site is fair and balanced!You guys can't hide the fact that you're all SELLOUTS!
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Well, Bruticus, I hope you’re right that Bay will be shocked as the backlash that he has incurred but this . . . well blasphemy of a film he made. I really hope that there will be people boycotting this shit heap like I will do. There is absolutely no way I will spend my hard earn money on some that I, like so many others in here and around the world, have grown up with, love and have shared with family and friends. I won’t give Bay and Co. not one red cent for their down right blatant slap in the face treatment of Transformers. There is obviously a ton of intelligent people; Meltedfacetoht, moondoggy2u, BRUTICUS to name a few; in here that are not just geeks but much much more. Too damn bad that Hollywood and some OTHERS refuse to see that, but remember WE are the ones that need to be catered to what WE want and not Bay and Co. want! GET IT RIGHT BITCHES!
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this movis or any particular reviewer but you have that kind of mentality which a lot of people here have...A film is either shit or awesome.Everyone here made out like spidey 3 was as bad as Batman n Robin or Battlefield Earth. It was very impressive but did have quite a few flaws.Films cannot be lumped into 2 catagories. When reviewing a film you talk about how it works and then disscuss the points in which it failed.People like you will never be a film journalist with you one word reviews.
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That sounds like Plant talk to me. MICHAEL GAY PLANT IS ON THIS TB! Everyone be aware.
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anybody pronouncing the Pirates acronym "POTSIE-AWE?"
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anybody pronouncing the Pirates acronym "POTSIE-AWE?"
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"POTC3 SINKS!" I'm quoting Newsweek here, pjdon. And a Bottle of dumb" saw that on Abc News.
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... let's examine the gigantic fallacy of everything you just wrote, shall we?
"First, lets visit the drastic changes in critical analysis. Bryan Singer rolls out the red carpet treatment for AICN and surprise, Superman Returns is the bee's knees."
False. SUPERMAN RETURNS was, relatively speaking, a closed production. I don't believe anyone involved with the site saw anything early or read the script or talked with the filmmakers at all. Harry has a long-standing friendship of sorts with Bryan, but even so, there were at least a dozen sites online that were flown by Warner Bros. to Australia to visit the sets. We were not one of them. And the reviews here were not uniformly positive by any means. I personally didn't like much about the film, and said so.
"X3 gives you comparitive silence and its viewed as the scourge of humanity."
Depends who you're talking about. I gave X3 a positive review, and again... there are several sites online that were flown by Fox to the set, and that were given full access to the film. We weren't one of them. Harry's hatred of the film is not any sort of universal reaction from the site, and when you ignore the fact that others here liked it, you're the one being dishonest... not us.
"Grindhouse opens you guys with welcome arms and receives accolades that seem to skip over the fact that Grinhouse suffered from a weak first half and an uneven script in Deathproof."
Welcomes us with open arms? In what way? Again... no set visits. No early access. Nothing. And I genuinely adore the film, and think it's still one of the best times I've had the theater this year.
"300 ignores AICN and is predictably met with a chorus of "mehs" and mixed reviews."
Ignores us? You mean like when I went to the editing room to meet Zack Snyder? You mean when they brought the unfinished film to BNAT in December to show it? That sort of ignoring us?
And even so, you got a wide range of reactions on the site, from glowing raves to mild disappointment. You can't just pick and choose which reactions to pay attention to if you're trying to portray some sort of site-wide bias. You're being dishonest.
"Spiderman 3 is helmed by a favorite director and its obvious flaws and inadequacies are quietly hushed and left unspoken right until opening day!"
Because of a press embargo by Sony. We published when we were able to. Those are the rules that everyone has to play by sometimes.
"And those are just a few examples of DRASTIC changes in AICN reaction. Don't even get me started on this site's other dubious actions."
Since your entire post was just disproven, I don't think I'm terribly worried. You've obviously made your own mind up, and you'll bend or ignore the truth in order to support your position.
"Don't get me wrong, however; I really love this site. A lot of nice people frequent the joint and supply some of the wittiest comments I've read. This site, warts and all, has been #1 on my bookmark list, and I hope that says quite a lot. You cannot ignore, however, that this site has nothing close to journalistic intengrity (The NY times notwithstanding). Yes, I'm noticed that every TF thread seems to get an excess of a thousand hits, but I've also noticed that you guys always post TF threads on weekends and other slow news periods. But when you guys, you in particular, post an entirely new thread about one single international poster when there is a perfectly usable thread already devoted to posters just a few lines down, then you are either a)shilling, b)desperate for hits) or c)lazy."
We dedicate new articles to each individual thing that pops up. We post based on what's in the inbox or what we find online. And as far as TRANSFORMERS goes, I've been vocally critical of Michael Bay and the underlying property for some time. There is an undeniable hunger for all things TRANSFORMERS from our audience, and even though I may not like it or get it, I respect our readership enough to post the articles because they're interested.
That's not a defensive response. It's not an angry one. However, unlike yours, it is a factually accurate one. You can now feel free to create whatever fictions you'd like to respond, but you're a liar, and I've just pointed out at least four ways you distort the truth in order to make your spurious points.
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I've not heard anyone make Spiderman 3 out to be as bad as Batman and Robin, I've heard some very valid complaints though, halfassing Venom, repititious plot points, etc. Very valid complaints, but I've yet to hear anyone call it outright shite.
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call centre in the uk working a night shift. If Micheal Bay rang me now and said (probably in tinted orange slow motion) 'Hey PJ, you wana be a plant for me on aint it cool? I'll pay you lotsa money' i'd prob say yes please and fuck you all.But this is the real world lost.rules and i'm just a guy who knows his film and realises what an objective review is.
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'POTC 3 stinks' doesn't count as a review. It doesn't disscuss the film negative points or it merits. It doesn't even say why it stinks. I what stupid fuckin world does one sentence count as a review?I think Moriarty just pointed out how idealistic and paranoid you are.Try reading areal film magazine and see how many one word reviews they give. Even to the wealest peices of crap like Batman n Robin they would point out at least one positive aspect in which the film succeeds.
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I was just kidding, BTW. I wouldn't come here if I didn't trust you guys. Except, for Harry. God only knows what he's thinking when he reviews movies. Oh, AND YOU GUYS ARE SELLOUTS! SELLOUTS!!!!!!!!!!!
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awful grammar. And your name rules. But you are still idealistic and paranoid.
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the other poster, which is in Chinese, shows CamaroBee, Optimus Prime and Fangface Megatron above Shaia and that hottie gf of his in the film. Enjoy!
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I have to agree the press embargo bit is a bit of a stretch as an excuse, especially for a site that will rip a film based on an early script review (RZ's Halloween for instance).
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... I know your panties are still in a twist because you had to survive seven full days without a LOST talkback, but I'll explain press embargoes to you so that you can understand.
If I acquire something myself, without any help from the studio, then I will talk about it on my timetable, and there's nothing they can do about it.
If they show us something officially, then we are obligated to observe any embargoes that are in place.
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Oh, yes. Eberyone in this country is a fucking wankers. If you enjoy watching movies and hearing people carry conversations on their cell phones while watching them, then Please Move to America! We have to have commercials before the movie telling people to shut the fuck up!
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a few weeks ago over the whole Bruce Willis debocle, so don't sweat it Moondoggy. He's 40, he's an old prick. Tell him to shove it up his OLD ASS!
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But most of them are just complaints....or we all veer off topic...as we are doing now.
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when i can be sure it will be empty. ie as early as possible when kids are in school.
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... it was terrible of me to advise people to wait until we could verify if it was or wasn't Willis, and it was awful of me to actually take Harry at his word when he said it was not and then went to bed. It was a crime against God and man, nooneimportant. And I'm not 40. You are very gullible if you believe everything you read.
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You lousy SELLOUT!
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I think that's the point he's making, if someone see's a test screening and emails them a review they post it, if they get shown somthing from the studio and the studio says don't say anything till x-date then they wait. It's all a big silly game really, seeing as that all test screenings you have to sign a waiver saying you won't leak anything, hell technically you're not supposed to even be able to attend if you're related to the websites (not that that stopped certain people from attending Hitchhikers Guide)the sites post the reviews when really if they were going to obey the rules of the system they should be turning the email addresses over to the studios. So I think to argue over studio rules is a bit silly when we only selectivly obey them.
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We promote your film. No matter how shitty it is.
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you can't win in talkbacks dude. Anyone under 35 would understand this point. It's obviously a touched nerve because you respond so quickly about it. I give no shit, therefore I win. It's just one of those things. Now go back to watching Grumpy Old Men and wish you were have as cool as a 20 yr old is!
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if one where to choose a site to promote their movie they wouldn't choose the site which has 1000's of people slagging the film off?
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DUDE, do they have you by the balls. A story line with no ending that has you guaranteed for 3 more seasons.To watch a bunch of fucktards stranded on an island? Drama that has to have something interesting to say if i'm going to waste my time watching it. Which it doesn't. BORINGGGGG
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I just don't get why anyone other than a chick can find lost interesting.
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I really didnt want this to get out of hand, but you did call me a liar, so I guess I'll jump into the deep end of the pool, now. Superman Returns was a closed production? That may be true, but this site, Quint in particular, had some strange reactions at Show west and Comic con to all the footage that Singer provided. In fact why would you claim that Singer didn’t favor you when Harry had an interview with him in Playboy. And I suppose, while we’re at it, that Harry being friends had nothing to do with his priase of Superman Returns. Gee, I guess you, Moriarity, possess a sole voice of discontent that balances the cacophony of hollow praise, hmm? I’m not even going to respond to your rather shallow defense of this site’s monolithic tread of anti X-3 propaganda. Frankly, it surprises me you even dared bring that subject up. Depends upon who I’m talking about indeed…
That bid about Spiderman 3 being a closed press embargo is so absurd I don’t even feel its necessary to address it. Especially considering this site’s past activities to productions it despised.That bit about Grindhouse being unavailable to you guys is also a bit disingenuous considering Mirajeff had a threeway with Quentin Tarantinto and Robert Rodriguez in the back row of the Grindhouse, or at least, that’s the name of a thread you guys posted on April 5th. Or perhaps Capone’s chat with Rodriguez way back in November? And what about that exclusive AICN interview you guys did, huh? You mean that kind of unavailability. Gee, wish I was that unavailable...Now, I don’t know about my previous argument being “factually inaccurate,” but it seems to me that your case rings a bit hollow and, well, dishonest. But hey, I’m the one being called a liar, right?I hope your memorial day is as nice as mine, Moriarty.
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DAMN YOU THE KNIGHT
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It's just a no win situation.
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Sorry about that, guys and gals. And nooneimportant--I can't really call him old--I believe I've a couple years on him. Pretty sad, isn't it ;)
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It would be better for the rest of us.
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I really don't think he friendships with people in the industry have anything to do with it.He just likes to give the bennefit of the doubt.
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i like this poster a lot by the way. much better than bumblebees stupid face poster.
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but people seemed to have been awed by the trailer, which is exactly the way i can say i felt when i saw it first. time will tell, but im thinking this film will be huge, and at least i think its safe to say the action will be huge as well, even if the rest of the movie isnt the best
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people are actually complaining when Harry gives a good review to a good film! And when he gives a bad film a bad review they say it doesn't count because those films where 'obviously' bad.
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But as long as Mori keeps posting reviews, and I get to comment to all of the blessed twats out in talkback land, then I'm good... :)
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and when i was in a really bad mood i'd make moriarty review Wild Hogs.
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Trying not to click on the talkback and just catch a sneak at what happens has been excruciating.In fact i've only seen upto episode 18, I have the last 5 episodes sitting on dvd, i'm waiting till friday to watch them with the girlfriend (who doesn't know i have them yet). It might be the greatest night of our life (thats with a baby on the way).Please no spoilers.
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That guy sucks more than the Transformers script, which sucks more than Mark Foley at a Boy Scouts camp out.
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...but very true.
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as far as posting stuff as it is available..you forgot to post the Megan Fox/Pontiac commercial showing Jazz that is on Superherohype.com...fuck jazz, megan fox is hot!
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I've never even seen a single episode of Lost. The only shows I've been able to keep up with are House and Desperate Housewives. I live a sad, sad life.
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Never seen it. Don't want to. The only scripted show I watch is "The Office". I'd watch a show about Megan Fox's sweaty chest, but they haven't made one about that subject yet.
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Waited for each half of a series to be released on dvd then watched it over a few nights. Problem is they didn't release the 1st half of series 3 on dvd over here so i've had to get a relative to copy them in canada and send them over. I just got the last 5 episodes in the post this morning.It works much better in large chunks and much better on dvd without the adds or annoying family members asking you what is going on every 5 mins. I really can't wait to get to sit in this fri and watch 3 episodes followed by the season finale while smoking a big joint.Heaven
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i love them both, this talk back has turned into a megan foz/lost love fest, so why not combine them?
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I don't mind the one sheets so much but this one is messy. It's like they took promotional images and poorly photoshopped them together using that vertical "light" line to patch them all together because they couldn't fit the images together any other way. What the hell? Put SOME effort in to it atleast. It's awkward looking.
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that's what that international poster looks like -- an 80's era anime movie poster. look em up.
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No one cares about your reaction to the audience reaction to the TF trailers.
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if we arent here to talk about this movie and what is going on with it, what the hell are we supposed to post about? am i forced to stick with just the poster? ok, i like it. but i also thought it was noteworthy how people reacted to the trailer, especially since its the opposite of most people on this site. dumbass
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admiration. Maybe it was calling your dog/mom orgy awesome. But anyway i accept.First order: get me a biscuit and some coffee.
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It's in the kitchen and has a shit monitor. Only really come online at work.If i was more technical I could have probably burned them to dvd of some bittorrent thing or somin but i couldn't be arsed. My cousin in canada tapes them onto dvd of HDTV so they are perfect quality and i can sit on my big couch and watch them.
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I cant fucking believe that some of you are calling the people that work at this site "bought" or "chosing sides against us" just because they post a news article containing movie news on a site about movie news.
God forbid that they report movie news on a movie news site. You think maybe it gets a lot of coverage because it is a major movie coming out this summer and has proven a very popular topic with teh visitors of the site?
You fucking peices of shit. Hating only for the sake of hate. It isn't even about differences in optinion anymore, its just about seeing how big of an asshole you can be. Fuck off.
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I'm finally getting the hang of things around here. Make it inflammatory and with a grain of truth and you will get retalliation. Excellent. I've taken a step forward.
Also, I value anyone's response, if for nothing other than entertainment value. BTW, if read between the lines, I was pointing out that the trailer audence response was getting tediously repetitive. YAY! = will make $200 in 2 days. Crickets = TINO Bayformers failure/I told you so!
How can I get my "douche title" renounced and get into the club?
Better yet, how do you score babes with jorts? You must have MAAADDD skillz!
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on TV over the weekend, they are showing it on sky here or somin. I did like the fact that the finalist girls where not anorexic like they usually are over here. Both where very tasty in fact.
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glad to be part of the club
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What about that piece of shit Bad Boys II? That abortion of a movie was worse than Michael Vick's animal rights views...
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but he is right in a way, like i said the day an audiences reaction is valuable is the day i eat my own head.
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that way he can make them sexy and bring it back to all the unsexy fuckers.
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i think its just valid in the sense that the rest of the world might see this movie in a different light than AICN talkbackers. and certainly it is somewhat telling of boxoffice performance, but obviously doesnt mean a good movie.
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how much of a percentage people like us make up of the total revenue for a movie. I'd say that it is probably less than 5 percent.Times will never change, the general public will always rule our entertainment. Especially when it comes to big movies.
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the quality of a movie. Neither will oscars.
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Now where is that coffee?
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It's obvious there won't be any changing of minds... moondoggy has always been screaming sellout, so I don't expect him/her to stop when some logic is thrown back at him/her. We've run positive and negative reviews on every single movie he mentions. We always showcase differing opinions and we report on what we're excited about. I probably posted more on SPIDER-MAN 3 than anyone on the site. I freaked out at the Comic-Con footage, I interviewed Bryce Dallas Howard (and I fell in love a little bit) and I was psyched. My review was not positive. Why? I guess, it's because I didn't get MORE access, right? It couldn't possibly be because I was disappointed with the movie. I also wasn't offended by it, though. There's stuff to like in the movie (JK Simmons, Topher Grace, Thomas Hayden Church, the Sandman birth, etc). So, I ended up with a mixed/negative opinion, an opinion I expressed in my review.Superman Returns, I did flip for the ShoWest footage. You're right. They showed the whole shuttle rescue scene, a killer action sequence and the first real glimpse of Superman doing super things. My review was a positive one, but not gushing. I had some issues (Luthor's plot and the fact that I thought tying itself so closely to the Donner universe ended up hurting the movie.) That's my opinion. I still like the movie, flaws and all.On Transformers, I want to dig the movie. The readers are excited for it. Do you think because I'm on their MySpace page that means Bay has bought me off? Really? You know why I'm on the myspace page? Because I'm friends with the guy that created it. Yes, he works at Paramount. He was also not happy when I broke the spy shot of the flamed truck, the very first look at Optimus Prime, but you know what? It was news, so I broke it.If you read my TRANSFORMERS set reports, you'll see that I was one of the first to say that for good or bad, the movie Bay was making was going to be huge, epic and crazy, but it probably wasn't going to be the G1 cartoon. I talked about Bay not communicating with his actors. I talked about Bay cursing out his crew. I talked about the actors saying Bay wasn't a good actor's director. I guarantee you those comments, while true, didn't go over well and if Paramount/Dreamworks/Bay were controlling the articles that wouldn't have been included.I also want to address the Shia LaBeouf comment, since that seems to really have offended many of you. I posted a clarification in Capone's interview with LaBeouf, but it sounds like a lot of people didn't read it. The specific situation... My interview on the set, he talked about the talkbacks being incredibly mean towards him. Again, in Austin, when he screened Disturbia at SXSW, we talked and he said that the Indiana Jones 4 rumor (at the time) and that the talkbacks were incredibly cruel towards him about it. I said similar things both times. Don't pay attention to the negative talkbackers. You know there are many in these talkbacks who troll or are negative just for the sake of being negative. I did emphasize that at its best talkback can be an amazing place for film lovers to exchange ideas and have a dialog about film. It's also an amazing way to get a feel for a certain movie. Reading the thoughts on trailers and posters and stills you get a lot of honesty. But a lot of the times you have to sift through the radically positive and the radically negative to find it. That was my point.I understand the importance of needing to trust our opinions. I've learned a lot in the 10 years I've written for this site and paramount to anything, I've learned that the most important thing I can do is speak my true opinion. Sure, I can be political about it sometimes, but I'll never write a story I don't agree with.This is getting super long and preachy. I appreciate you reading, moondoggy, even if I think you're grasping at straws trying to create some conspiracy theory. And you have reason to do so, I understand. There's not one person who can do this job (this applies to all entertainment journalism) and not start making friends with those that we're covering. I think the only thing we can do to prevent that from truly having a negative impact is transparency. You can question certain opinions when you know there's a personal connection. I do that, too. But I think it's far more offensive to hide those connections and pretend you have no bias.I'll end by saying everybody has a bias. Everybody. There's not one of you readers or one of us writers that isn't biased. Do you like a certain actor? A certain director? A certain genre? All of a sudden, you're biased to like a genre/actor/director... I like horror movies and I don't like Merchant Ivory movies. So, I go into each movie differently. Again, the danger isn't that there's a bias, it's when you try to hide it.I've probably made little to no sense here in this rambling post. If you have any specific questions, I'll answer, honestly, in this this thread.
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I've been sitting thinking about neill cumpston but surely there must be more to it? Can we have a competition or something? Wet t-shits maybe?I enter Megan Fox
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The 'Candy Crowley' effect.:She cant say jack shit positive or negative about any candidate,or shed just become unwelcome to any interview.Don't get me wrong,COMPLETELY different scenarios,but its the only other journalist I can think of that isn't allowed an opinion
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seems like a good way for Bay to gain some fanboy goodwill would have been to release some artwork and ask for poster art submissions from readers on this site for example. Moriarty, Quint, would you guys consider hosting such a thing on the site? Might be fun in the run up to the release date, and give some of these incredibly bitter basement dwellers the chance to put their money where their mouth is.
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reviewed films in the past you would still be getting this kind of critisim.As i said earlier, a lot of people are very black and white about films. They either say they are awesome or utter crap. As someone who has seen a lot, and i mean a lot of films i can honestly say only a handfull have fitted into either of these catagories. Just remember that the people who slag you are not looking for a review, they are looking for someone to scream out that a film is 'gay' or 'cool'. Don't ever think that the people who understand your job don't fully appreciate you.
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they wouldnt have made that movie about movies they hated, so i thought that was cool, it kind of showed the creators loved those silly action movies, but acknowledged how ridiculous they are. great shit, and i hope bay does great shit with transformers
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I just moved to LA after graduating film school. Can you hook a brother up with a job?You said you'd answer specific questions... :o)
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great freudian slip from someone that is obviously smoking something...
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And no, your post didn't ramble. Have I always been screaming sellout? I've never noticed, but you are probably right. You make an excellent point about no one being completely unbiased (one I tend to forget often in my life). I also don't have a right to label you a hypocrite when you and Vern have shown nothing but class when we butt heads, which I hope isn't too often, and for that, I appologize. As a previous poster has pointed out, from the reader's perspective, there does seem to be a change in skepticism from film to film, and that, coupled with the stunts Harry pulled in the late 90s, is probably what gets my dander up, I suppose. Please understand, however, that from my admittedly uneducated (in terms of film scooper/critic) mind, there is a tendency to equate favoritism with an intentional disreguard for objectivity rather than accidental, which is probably exceedingly harsh, huh? If so, I appologize for that, too. When you get right down to it, its hypocritical when you consider that my reaction would be different if you were as skeptical towards TF as I am.To put it succinctly, I should probably cut you guys some slack and be less critical. ........................Still, I'm keeping my eye on you! Have a very good evening, Quint.
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Gabriel - Everything I hear is that MIST is going very well in editing. I'd love to see how the film's coming along, so I'll see if I can swing an edit bay visit before they lock picture. I'll just have to coordinate next time I'm in LA.Wonka - I have little to no influence on anything work related. Trust me, if I did I'd be helping my own self out. But what kind of job are you looking for?
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im very curious, even though i doubt bay would give a damn about what anyone else thinks
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hard to say just yet. I just got an internship with the Filmmakers alliance here in LA. just had a short play at SIFF, I actually flew back SEatle this weekend for the screening and Q&A, it was fun.I have a few writing job interviews next week, so we'll see.the film's here if you're interested: sparefilms.comsome TB'ers I'm friends with have already seen it, I'm sure.those mist reports were the bee's knees. I wasn't at all interested in it, even though I love darabont, I just never quite dug the story. but your reports certainly piqued my interest.
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Moondoggy is a he. And this he will be fourty-three in four days. Just don't tell anyone. ;)
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seriously fella, what the fuck happened there.
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Meltedfacetoht - Admittedly, when I went to Bay's office I hadn't watched Transformers in over 15 years. I grew up loving the show, had the toys and underoos... the whole nine yards. I have since, of course, brushed up on my G1 Transformers. At the time, if I remember correctly, the very first robot design he showed me was Megatron... however, it wasn't labeled and I wrote in the article that I didn't recognize the robot. He never said it was Megatron, so I didn't know it was him when I saw it, to answer your question. The stuff he showed me in the office that I really took to was all the animatic stuff. You've seen lots of it in the trailers now, but you still haven't seen a real robot clash. If it's half as cool as the animatic, it'll blow your hair back.Moondoggy - Thank you for the last post. I hope I didn't overreact with my previous post and cause offense. Sometimes you have to remember that these names are real people and I usually find people are decent to each other. Disagreement is fine. You're right to question us. It keeps us honest. But I much prefer questioning like the last post. When it's civil, it's much easier to take seriously, on both sides. Look at the Sicko talkback... it's amazing that a real debate has been able to continue on in there, with a minimum of trolling. Thanks again and have a good finish to your memorial day weekend.
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I've no problems remembering the names are people, I just have a sarcastic tone that is playful in real life and comes across as mean and spiteful when I'm writing in these posts. Its even worse when everyone is being conversational in a forum that restricts most of the usual tools of discussion. And, of course, all the trolls, trolls, trolls. Though you didn't overreact, I would have understood if you did. There simply are too many of us to keep track of!
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BSB - I don't, so I've apparently lost. Here's what I do watch regularly: 24, Heroes, Lost, Daily Show, Real Time With Bill Mahr and South Park. 24 is getting repetitive, but still entertaining, Heroes was amazing with a disappointing finale (really, all that build up and time put into the story only to have the Sylar fight sloppily handled?) but still looking like we're in for a great second season, South Park is on fire and hasn't missed a step for two seasons, Lost was in trouble all last season with a few great episodes and this season it started to slowly get its mojo back, especially in the last 4 or 5 episodes. It's starting to feel like the show I fell in love with again. Daily Show's always great, Real Time has been constantly entertaining.Gabriel - I'm a Dark Tower geek of the highest order. Whoever does the Dark Tower movie/mini-series/whatever, I will be there, whether they want me there or not.Mr. X - I know that joke was controversial, but it made me laugh. Simple as that. I think the context of the joke makes fun of racism, so I never viewed it as racist. The whole point of the joke was to make fun of racism and racist comments. I was actually a little surprised at the controversy because I never saw it as a racist joke. Harsh? Sure, but not racist.Moon - I will never refer to you as a slash again. You will be he from now on.
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For The Mist? I haven't heard that, but I have heard there might be something special in store for those in San Diego come July...
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So this poster sucks... it's really disjointed and from a deisgn standpoint this is as bad as the robot character designs.
That said, the reaction to the trailer on this in the theater I saw Pirates was freakin' hilarious. The theater was stone silent save for one person who did that mock slow clap. Then the audience laughed. I've also noticed the Chevy commercials that feature the Bayformer "Bumblebee" and someone in line commented that and I quote. "I thought this was supposed to be a movie, not a car commerical."
That comment made me think of all the people here who would rag on this property for being a "toy commercial" and how they should love the idea that now they get a "car commerical".
I know so many animators who would love to have done really great complicated transformers with the transformation look that the Bayformers have. However, everyone of them I talk to say the same thing. That they would love to do that, but they want their robots to look more like a transformer.
That should say something.
Finally the only reason I chimed in here was to point out that so far every thing I have said about this summers movie season has come to pass. Spidey has done really well and is number one and will remain so. The film itself has it's flaws but is an all around good film despite those flaws. That and most of the flaws are either the film missing something to tie the two stories together, or people not getting that some of the nerdy characterization is exactly how the character should and would react. Personally, I felt that it could have been a little longer and tied the stories together better, but what was there was great. Not as good as 2, but about as good as 1.
Shrek came along and took the top spot for a week but that was it. The film itself was a little blah, but it was good. It kept in the spirit of Shrek but took the music too far along the way of where the music lead the story instead of compimenting it and that's a music video. Which is not what made the first two films so good.
Pirates 3 came along and has done pretty well. I liked the story as it was a solid end to the film franchise. Johnny Depp was Brilliant. I was warned by one of my friends that the first hour was boring and that there was an extra scene at the end, but he was wrong... and he was really only relating what he was told since he hadn't seen the film yet. The film was far from boring and I liked that the last scene put a nice finish to the series. It may have been a little predictable, but it was an ending that we haven't seen in a while. It was a Disney Happy Ending.
So, what's to come... well, this film Bayformers, which will suck the monkey's balls. Now, I have to run since I just got called to go to a party. -
Its the little things in life, like gender, that make all the difference in the world. If you need any help getting into the darktower, I've often found that a six foot two, 240 lbs man who lifts regularly can be a great door opener. Look me up if the Dark Tower should ever film in Buffalo.
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Wonka was forgotten in that last post. and his ego is SO fragile. his ennui knows no bounds...
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if you can help me get into the Wizard's First Rule miniseries shoot, too. ........................Great, now I am really jonesing for some Dark Tower and Sword of Truth mini series, now. Thanks, Quint...
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Honestly, it was probably just that I didn't want to sound stupid and I figured he'd tell me who it was. You also have to remember that these designs were put in front of me one after another, so I didn't have much time to dwell. I didn't automatically throw them back in his face because I somewhat agree with him. The cartoons couldn't be literally translated. I gave his version a shot and reported back exactly what I saw.I want to clarify something... I remember I did see Megatron on that visit, but it was a piece of production art that was featuring a scene more than the robot. It was Megatron's giant hulking figure, in silhouette... it's the shot you see in the trailer when the military guy says, "Totally top secret..." and you see the giant robot in the government hanger or whatever. There were no details, just a huge, massive shape. I'm thinking the robot I saw was the little one that'll be Soundwave in the movie, the one you see changing from a little boombox in one of the trailers. My memory is fuzzy on it, though. I saw a lot of images and animatics on that visit.
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I read your post, but I don't have much for you. You're going the right route. It might take a while (or it could happen right away... it's all a crapshoot), but persistence is the key. If you can stick out the hard part, good things will happen. There are a lot of shitty writers out there who still got their stuff picked up. If they can do it, you can, too. It's just about not giving up on yourself.
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is liek saying Judd Apatow should direct every movie that comes out. sure, his movies are hilarious, but I certainly don't want him doing The Hobbit.literally OR figuratively
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I love Giant Robots. The reason I love the otherwise shitty movie, KRONOS, is because there's a giant robot in it.
Now, I dug TRANSFORMERS as a kid, but I did actually prefer ROBOTECH - and as toys, I loved SHOGUN WARRIORS and TETSUJIN.
Now - personally - the redesigns of the TRANSFORMERS are in my opinion very Robotech-y Evangelion-y. While still looking adapted from Transformers.
I love the original TRANSFORMERS movie, but I love it even though - DARE TO BE STUPID is painfully fucking lame... and so is several other parts of that film. But when I was a kid... I dug it. It was a toy commercial.... BUT I LOVE THE TOYS.
I'm excited now though. I've seen 20 minutes of the film - and while that footage looked like it came from two completely different films, both films were fun. My worry is how it all comes together.
What I'm absolutely not worried about? The action. I know it will be off the charts crazy. And I know that alot of the action was retooled to be more effective. We'll see.
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However, Megan Fox looks as pretty as Jennifer Connolly and that is saying something.
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Lost theory. I think the flashforwards are not the definite future. I think we'll find out they are a possible future. The show has already introduced temporal anomalies as a part of the island's properties (time moves differently on the island than it does in the real world), so it's not too difficult to introduce alternative futures.
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I think if Neill Cumpston and Vern were to procreate the off-spring would wipe out the planet. We would all take the koolaide if asked. I know it. I accept, but is it a problem if I'm a fattie, too?
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thanks for the encouragement. I didn't mean to have implied that I was serious about the job request. I mostly just wanted a little advice, so thanks.Henri has been doing well, and the SIFF screening means I get my own imdb page. I think I'm more excited about that than anything else...
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of a bastardized Transformers flick. All I can say is that I hope they change everything about Evangelion and write it all into a big flat turd. You will still be happy about your giant robots, I'm sure.
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since your bright enough to get a name banned, and then come back with a new name DISCUSSING your previous banning, I'm sure you'll find an equally brilliant maneuvre in the next scenario.
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Seriously, I see where you're coming from with your desire to see Transformers. Where most of us dorks who are really lauding the film come from is that we really loved TF the way you loved/love Evangelion. Now, if Bay were to alter Evangelion the way he's altering TF, would you have a similar reaction? I'm not being combative or looking to debate, by the way--I'm honestly curious as to your response. The sad thing about all of this is that despite my intense dislike of Bay, Murphy, and most of the character designs, I'm still getting psyched to see me some Transformers this July--if only to enjoy a semi flawed movie with Transformers. I'll still lament what might have been, but I'll be there opening day. Of that I've no doubt.
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I was in a Merchant Ivory Movie! heh
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of Evangelion and change the designs and have robots blowing crap up. What a fine film, unlike anything ever seen!
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Why do you think I hate them so much? Oooooooooooo....
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But the script on which the movie is based is a pile of crap. The robots have little characterization, no great moments, except when they are beating the crap out of each other. It's just lame.
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"Now, I have to run since I just got called to go to a party." hahahaha wow, great for you. but i honestly dont even know if i should beleive you when you say how people react to the trailer. i just cant imagine, and havent seen, anyone react to the clearly and obviously kickass trailer in a negative or humorous way. it just doesnt make sense to me, its almost to the point of if you hate this movie at this point in time before its released, and after seeing the great trailer, then i just dont know what to think of you. maybe youve read the script and its not great? i dont know, but i think that if youve seen the trailer, at this point in time, you have pretty much no right to hate on this movie. unless of course you are looking for something other than robots fighting humans and robots fighting other giant robots out of your transforemers movie. i mean, if you want you expected little miss sunshine out of your transformers movie, then i can see why you would hate the movie already based on the trailer. but whatever, i suppose it MIGHT be possible for someone to think the trailer looks stupid, or that the movie - at this point in time based on what we've seen - looks bad. but i sure as hell dont want to be associated with that person. so have fun at your party
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until the moment you typed that.
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I was printing up my business cards, too... You are cruel, robertsilence. For the record, I love Bruce Willis. Never met the man, never spoke to him in any way, shape or form... and while I love the guy as an actor, I'm not sold on a PG-13 Len Wiseman DIE HARD movie.
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I agree, the script was exceedingly terrifying. I'll still watch it, though. I suppose it can't be any worse than some of those third season TF episodes...
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To be better than season 3. Just sayin'....
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and someone get's banned. I don't think there's a question as to whether this movie will make a recockulous amount of money, I think the question is should it and does it deserve to.
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if the movie sucks, at least i can come home and watch the trailer
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Thats why I'm so depressed about the whole thing: so many wrong turns. Still, I really love the character of Optimus Prime, as voiced by Peter Cullen, and I'll be there. Thats how much I love Transformers--I'm willing to spend my money despite Michael Bay, Don Murphy, Shaia La what's-his-name, awkward designs, and a complete disreguard for fans in general. ........................I'm a weak, weak man.
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Underwold 1 and 2 weren't by any means oscar winners but they were dumb fun in a sci-fi channel kind of way, so I think Wiseman at least understands action sequences. The only thing I have issue with is a PG-13 Die Hard is a real stupid move as most fans of Die Hard are in their late twenties or higher.
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being a DT fan and all--think you'd dig it. I can't post the title or the 40 year old virgin (well, he has Toshi, so guess not virgin) would take a dump on my head. and keep us up to date on any clash of the titans remake stuff. (and Mori's a lucky stiff getting his name on the back of the Fountain DVD--one of my favs of the year!)
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I'm going to wait till home video or untill some of my friends I trust with movies tell me it won't just piss me off. So far the Optimus Prime and Jazz designs are the only one I can stand.
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I can't speak for the Lost article... I myself don't know much about it, just that there was a good reason to pull it.I think the idea of changing gears to the future... which I guess would technically make the island stuff the flashbacks now... is a great one. I hear next season will be a mix of flashbacks and future stuff. I think if they can keep it smart it will be the thing that will keep the show fresh. And I agree... I hope there is no "change the future" option. It's the only way the next season won't come off as cheap.
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Photoshop is such a powerful tool for creating wonderful lens flares.
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Len Wiseman? Michael Bay? People just can't make a decent action flick. With the exception of Casino Royale I just don't remember the last time I was truly satisfied by some balls to the wall gritty as fuck action (and I'm not counting superhero stuff because that's too glossy). Do they just not make enough money? What's going on?
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Yeah, I'm in the same boat when it comes to the designs. I'm on the fence when it comes to Optimus's design (something about his paint job just really bothers me), but JaZZ's design is nice. The decepticon's desings, save for the helicopter thingy, are just attrocious. Who knows, though? I may end up really liking the film. If so, I'll come back and report to you, lady and gents.
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Honestly, man... My stack of "to read" is so large right now it might be a long, long time until I read your book. You can email me (quint@aintitcool.com) if you still want to send me a copy, but I can't promise I'll get to it anytime soon.And melted, my understanding is there was a good legal reason to pull it and that's about all I know.
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...the new decepticon characters having different designs and I'm not wholey apposed to changing things up BUT there has to be some semblance from one version to the next. For every (I think his name is) Blackout there's a Megatron that looks terrible. So I think there should have been some back and forth there to make the characters at least somewhat recognizable even if their vehicle forms weren't exact.
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But what is all this hooplah over a Lost thread? I haven't been here in a couple of weeks. Can you, Quint, or someone who isn't as hyped as melted, clue me in? I'm not looking for dirt or anything--just a quick tip off will do.
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They actually look alien. The problem is the director. One of my earliest memories was watching Transformers the movie at age four and being tramatized by Optimus Prime's death. It really fucked me up. I loved the cartoons when I was younger and even sat down to watch them two or three years ago, so I have some investment in the property. However, what makes me worry is not so much a childhood raping as it a summer blockbuster wasted. The name Michael Bay does not instill confidence. Hell, this could have been "My Little Pony: A Michael Bay Film" and I would lament the waste of Hollywood resources not because I watched My Little Ponys (seriously, I didn't) but because Bay is ruining movies once again. Actually, Bay doing a My Little Pony movie might kick some ass. Get this sucker green lit, stat!
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Time for me to hit the sack. Had a long day on very little sleep. I'll check back when I wake up.
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BSB as I have been saying in each and every one of the Transformers Talkbacks- you are talking to yourself. Film is gonna be great. Film is gonna make cash. You are gonna stay stupid and unloved. Hey Quint, the BESY poster is the Thai one- they had that on the Mighty Murphy Board let me look for ya'all.
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...especially since I haven't watched since I turned off the first episode five minutes in. Sorry but that whole plane crash aftermath bit was ripped right out of the opening of Troma's War, hell even the characters in alot of ways are exactly the same right down to the rocker. Granted things change after that but I digress, as far as I know there was no Lost thread for a week and everyone went apeshit I think.
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that busy. It's just that the designs are the least of this movie's problems. Megatron's design is just flat-out atrocious, though.
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I couldn't give two figs about vehicle forms, though it would seem to make more sense if Megatron were a tank rather than a jet, its the robot forms that really irk me. Megatron now looks like some demonic robo Predator or something. In fact, he looks just like that Violator thingy from the Spawn movie. Starscream now looks like some weird ape or something and Optimus has the face of a llama when his mask is off. Still, there is hope that things will be better. Not much, but you never know.
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..that's part of the problem is way too busy and not even a remote semblence to the characters their based on save for what I've seen of Prime and Jazz, the only thing linking Bumblebee is that he's yellow.
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MEGAN FOX is hosting the maxim hot 100 which is on VH1 right now. damn shes fine
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...I think that's the part that gets lost on the Bay/Murphy crowd. It's not so much the vehicle form it's that there is little to no resemblance between the movie and original versions.
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We know the plot is still about as good as Masters of the Universe, but maybe the dialogue and characterization are no longer appalling?
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What's up with the music in the new preview? It sounds like something that should be in the Halloween remake, not Transformers.
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everything. The military are sort of useless.
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The children of the world. Avoid this movie.
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When Roger Rabbit came out, there were a slew of cartoonists who said that the animation, while superior in terms of spacial references, was far too busy; things were constantly moving and twitching. If I recall, it was due to the number of animated frames a second. I think animation is done at one cell per two or three frames or something, whereas RR had animation on every frame, which caused animators to draw their characters in constant motion, or something like that. Can you imagine what those animators would have said when they got a look at Bayformers?
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theme song.
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Don't encourage Don he might do it just to piss people off.
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Of course you mean the ticket line you will be in again and again giving your money to Bay.
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go with Eddie Murphy, so I tamed it a bit.
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if "Dare to be Stupid" is featured prominently. If not then no sale.
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Which Eddie Murphy, Rick James produced Eddie Murphy or duet with Wacko Jacko Eddie Murphy, cause if it's Rick James Eddie Murphy I can deal with that.
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The problem is the designs suck, so I don't care how real they look. Would you have liked Jar Jar more if he looked more realistic? Noo.....
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Murphy should use Will Smith! I'm thinking some rap remix of You Got The Touch. Maybe even have Akon sing a bit. I can just hear the chorus now ........................you got the power, you got the power, you got the power. Yoooouuuu got the TOOUUUUUUCH. you got the power, ou got the power, you got the power.
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...get me drunk and shanghai my ass into the theater to see it at this point. Besides, I've found that when a movie shows you nothing but money shots in the trailer it usually means the rest of the movie is shite.
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enough about this im not gonna see it bullshit. i dont buy it. maybe you actually think it will suck, but curiosity will get you and you will check it out anyways. if for no other reason, everyone will probably be talking about it. action + megan fox = bay getting tons of my money. i just wish the robots didnt speak or have mouth like things
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Decepticon Crackhores galore
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Dude - me rooting for TRANSFORMERS - given my history with Don Murphy - You have NO IDEA HOW ODD THAT IS. Don has written memos to Paramount Execs trying to SUE me over coverage I've written and scoops I've posted about the film.
And if BAY was turning EVANGELION into a Teenage Fantasy about his car being a giant robot... I'd fucking go apeshit pissed. HOWEVER - That isn't that far a leap from the Transformer universe. One of the core aspects of nearly all Giant Robot cinema is the young kid and his Giant Robot. That's Spielberg. That was Steven's pitch on the film.
And you HAVE TO UNDERSTAND - I have so not given this movie a free ride. I'm excited to see it, because I've never seen a Giant Robot movie on this scale. I mean. ROBOT-JOX? Really - That's all we have in the Live-Action arena? I need more.
Now - I like Bay's films. Though I really dislike PEARL HARBOR and I think THE ISLAND was impotent and needed to be a hard R badass flick, instead it was a limp PG-13 with stars that wanted to be in an R-rated version of that story...
Now BAY as a filmmaker is someone that constructs amazing insane action sequences that viscerally work for me. What he hasn't been successful at, is building insane action sequences that EMOTIONALLY INVOLVE me. And I keep hoping that he nails that. I want him to be that guy because I'd love to see Bay mature as a filmmaker into making badass juvenile material that I can believe in, instead of just thinking... THAT WAS BADASS!
We'll see. That said - I've had far less access to Michael's sets and Michael since... ARMAGEDDON. I visited PEARL HARBOR's set, turned down my free trip to Hawaii and the world premiere, because I thought it was in bad taste - and ultimately panned the movie. Since then - I haven't been on any of his sets or premieres. BUT we do talk on the phone, but we're not 'buddies' - he calls to get my opinion on stuff - like the SHOWEST reel... and my comments to him was that Optimus Prime's mouth was TERRIBLE - not because it was a change from the original design, but that robots don't need lips to move to pronounce words... they have SPEAKERS... and the movement distracts from the eyes of Optimus, which is where you'll get the most emotion. -- Sadly, Optimus' lips will be flapping and it won't look great... Hopefully - it won't destroy the character by being totally annoying. And it's much worse than flames. -
...if the movie is nothing but Akon humping a female robot with the Yin Yang Twins singing Miss New Booty (booty booty boooty boooty booty everywhere) then I might go see it.
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aren't personalities, they're just special effects so things can blow up. In the show the robots were front and center as characters, not the humans.
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the script is so bad I'm not tempted to see it in the slightest.
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you to the TF world, but he was not the main character - he was a supporting character. Why even make the movie if you're just making the typical Bay/Berg movie but with giant robots? Who cares? Seriously. This is nothing new. It may be a technical achievement, but people were saying that about Pearl Harbor's action sequences, too.
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...why sign on to an adaptation if you're just going to shat upon the source material. I think even you (Harry) would agree that if you have no care/love for the source material you should probably pass, or at the very least if you do choose to do it surround yourself with people with the knowledge and love of it to help make the best product you can.
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the source material and think they are smarter than it, that's why.
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for Iron Man. The difference here is apparent. These guys are totally full of themselves, and its not really justified with any of their recent work.
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...I don't think their underestimation of the audience enters into the director/writers minds, I think that's all a producer thing, I'm talking more from an artistic standpoint as most producers can't make their own art that's why their producers.
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A very good selection. But you have got to add BATTLESTAR GALACTICA to that list. The first two seasons were on par with LOST, while the third was even better. It is the most compelling and consistently excellent series on TV!
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I still have trouble wrapping my brain around that one. I will have to disagree with you on your like for Michael Bay films. That sentence alone gives me shudders, man; I'm not a fan of the MTV directors. To each their own, I suppose, right? And thanks for the clarification of your relations with the crew at TF, and I'm personally glad that you turned down that hawaii trip (as a vet, that film's tone, and the director's, really gave me a case of the red ass) I do disagree with you about the larger appeal of Transformers. It always seemed to me that the idea of transforming objects, the mythos, and the heroics of Optimus were the franchise's real appeal. If it were just robots, then Voltron and Evangelion would have been equally/more popular. And I think is possible that Bay screwed up two of those three concepts. We'll wait and see however. I hope you had a nice memorial day, Harry. And thank you for the clarification of your attitudes towards this production. It does set the record straight quite a bit.
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I think that has easily become my favorite comedy show to come along in awhile. And BSG is probably one of the most if not the most well written sci-fi/drama in a looooooooong while.
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It's a product and that is certainly understandable. But they do not underestimate the audience, but the actual thing they are adapting. There is a difference. They think TFs is baby stuff. They're idiots.
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...to actually start this as a new live action series ala BSG. BSG changed alot with the look/tone of the original material and it worked cause people had time and didn't have to invest money into wrapping their brains around the changes. It took me a few episodes to finally be ok with the changes, but the writing and performances helped that along with great speed. I don't feel the writing or performances are going to be enough to woo me on TF.
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Well, Moriarty can be pretty moody, but I wouldn't sweat it much. You've obviously gotten a new identity. Hell, if you're so attached to your old one, just make your new one a play on the previous identity--s'no big deal.
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Like I said, tepid reaction from the audience I was with, mostly teens and kids. Their reaction was it didn't look as bad as they thought it would, and the other kids didn't know what it was till the savvy one explained it.
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I've met alot of these guys on AICN and other sites so I don't think any of them have necissarily been bought except for a couple of people and I won't go into proper names but we'll say there are some sites I won't go near for objectivity let's say "cough IESB cough cough". It's all in what you see, there have been movies that I saw stuff before I saw the flick and said, "wow that looks decent" then saw it and went "wow that was balls". I think that horror/sci-fi fans are some of the most abused by the hollywood system period hands down. Partly because the industry think we're a bunch of troglodites living in our parents basements masturbating furiously to pictures of Leia in the slave outfit, also because we keeping going to the shit in droves. We never opt out of a film, when AVP came out I knew who directed it, I knew it took place on earth so I knew it was going to be dog shit, I went anyway cause it was Aliens and Predators, I saw Halloween Ressurection in the theater, why, cause I can be stupid when it comes to the guy in the Shatner mask. And it's tough cause it's our thing, and we eat it up, and untill we finally say enough with the disrespectful crap and stop going to this shit it's going to keep happening.
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how have you been doing? As you can see, I've stirred up a hornet's nest in this thread. Wasn't intentional, but hey, "the road to hell..." and all that.How goes that secret progect/script thingy you were working on?
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Just a "let's put IT ALL IN, BABY" kind of approach. Yuck.
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...that I've opted out of a few films now, but that didn't start till X3.
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My father used to say that, too--right when he was about to fight a 160 dollar speeding ticket! What was your old name?
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...had they not gone completly out of their way to talk about how G1 it was going to be, it was all G1 this G1 that all the way to putting a G1 style flat face Optimus Prime Mack Truck on the floor at Comic Con 2005. And what really hit me was the complete disdain they had for the fans post Megatron leak. And the fact that even though they went to all those lengths to pump G1 this and that, their complete inability to understand why then after those images leaked people were pissed.
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is the perceived double-standards.
What I mean is that whenever a comic book character is changed for a movie, it's noted and complained about in the talkbacks and to a certain extent, the articles that you guys write.
But because Transformers came from a toy company instead of a comic or novel or whatever, there is a perception among talkbackers that you guys don't hold Bay and co up to the same standards that you would expect from a Spider-Man or Superman adaptation.
Even the fact that Harry seems to have accepted Galactus' transformation into "Cloudicus" hasn't gone down to well (though I'm still hoping that Story is pulling a fast one and hiding the true nature of Galactus despite what the novelisation says).
The point is, Transformers is just as cherished by fans as comic book heroes and they want those characters treated with respect.
Remember Mori's review of Abrams Superman script, the fan backlash and Harry's apparent fall to the dark side by trying to change the fans mind? This event has been cited as the downfall of AICN and since then, anytime praise has been heaped on a movie, you guys have been accused of selling out. Whether the criticism is founded or not, you have to realise that AICN has never really recovered from that whole affair in terms of regaining credibility among longtime talkbackers, so everything you say is bound to be met with hostility if it seems like you've sold out to the studio, regardless of whether it's true or not.
The whole Transformers thing goes back to the X-Men script review and while the whole staff didn't hate the movie, there certainly was a feeling that AICN as a whole was against this movie.
So when the Transformers script was leaked, and shown to be...well horrible, fans were shocked that all Harry could go on about was giant robots fighting each other, seemingly ignoring the major problems that existed (and by all accounts, still exist) with the script.
We didn't want you to neccessarily start a campaign against Michael Bay for "raping childhoods" with the abomination that is the Transformers screenplay, we just wanted you to treat Transformers with the same passion that you treated X-Men, and when something wasn't right, we wanted you to be willing to take issue with it, instead of just ignoring it and focussing on explosions and giant robots.
And maybe the Transformers origin and story is silly...but so is the Spider-Man origin, so is the Hulk origin, so is Superman, Batman, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Thor, Green Lantern, Captain America, Iron Man, Flash, Wonder Woman...just because Transformers came from Hasbro instead of Stan Lee, it doesn't mean that it should be treated with any less respect and reverence than a comic book hero.
The reason people have come up with cnspiracy theories and accused you guys of selling out is because you seem to be completely ignoring the negative aspects, which far outweigh the positive, in favour of highlighting the fact that its giant robots kicking the metal crap out of each other.
Sure, that's cool, but -Men 3 had mutants kicking the crap out of each other...why wasn't there eternal love for that? Oh that's right, because there's more to a movie than big fights and explosions. So why isn't Transformers being treated to the same critical analysis that you apply to other movies?
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I've opted out of Fantastic Four, Aliens v. Predator, Jurrassic park 3, Batman and Robin, and Alien 3.
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Exactly. First of all, I question consulting the fan base to begin with when you are the professional. It is one thing to share stuff with them and look at reaction, but polling the fans for story ideas, characters, and designs seems sort of unprofessional. Secondly, if they wanted to act like little girls about it (because, let's face, it we can be jerks) that's one thing, but to start outright lying about what they had done was psycho.
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has poor taste in film. heh heh
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although I feel those two guys who run the effects on those from Alien 3 on are too blame for alot of what went wrong with that series. I'm sorry but when you think you can do better than the guy who created the fucking alien in the first place you got some fucking nerve.
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That was an excellent post, sir, and summed up my skepticism towards the seemingly majoral attitude reguarding Transformers. You said it better and with much more class than me.
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At the time that film came out, I think the main problem wasn't the effects, which seemed pretty good in that day and age, but the irreverance that was shown for Aliens, the superior and much more beloved film. Hicks? DOA. Rebecca (the entire reason that women responded to the character of Ripley so much in 85 or 86)gets gutted on screen. The entire production seemed cheap, unneeded, and frankly, unwanted.
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...yeah I remember being dissapointed with that aspect but as a whole thought it was a decent flick. I think that that's the problem franchises run though I think at most they hit two maybe three good ones and then they need a break for a while otherwise they get played out, I think also they generally get hurt from rotating door approach to writers and directors.
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Hugh Jackman is dreamy. If they put him in TF I would watch it.
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Transformers.
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I figured there was some sort of selling point for you ;) You favor the scruffy, muscualar wolverine Jackman, or the cleaned up Swordfish hugh?
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Cool, just thought of an awesome idea for a movie
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was the entire reason my wife made me grow a beard. She even bought me a brown leather jacket that suspiciously looked like the one Hugh wore in X1. I've gotten used to the beard, even though it itches like ants sometimes.
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Although Hugh could not save Van Helsing - and he had a beard and took his shirt off - it should've worked! I bet the filmmakers were surprised when it failed. And I hated Swordfish. Pretty much anything with Travolta in it, he is hard to look at.
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He always seemed a bit too metrosexual and soft, you know? Still, he was pretty good in Pulp Fiction. And Greese, too, of course.
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Captain Planet. Gore, get to casting now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoggish_Greedly
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I'm gonna have to look that up.
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Guys look cool in beards.
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Michael Jackson. He's creepy.
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girls seem to love clean shaven boy toy types and women love guys in beards. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. I just wish the damn thing wouldn't itch so much.
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but I think it's the whole Scientology thing.
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Have pleasent dreams of Hugh ;)
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...start showing up in matching track suits and nike's lookout.
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rests solely upon the shoulders of Tom Cruise. Now THAT guy creeps me out. G'night Revsick.
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That's my view. Men should be manly, and men have hair.
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...have a good one.
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Superninja tells the story of a female assassin who lived in Japan 300 years ago. Her husband is the head of a Ninja clan and refuses to allow her to join the clan. So she creates an identity and strikes out on her own. Whenever the clan is given a target, she gets there first and makes the kill.
Her skill as a ninja is s great that she soon becomes feared, not just by rival clans, but by her own husband who has no idea that she is the mysterious "Superninja".
When all of the clans come together to kill her, she finds herself fighting enemies as well as friends, leading to a final showdown woth her husband who stabs her in the chest with his blade, only to unmask her and find his wife looking back at him. Distraught, he turns the blade on himself, thus ending the story of Superninja.
OK so it needs work and it took me all of 10 seconds to come up with the general idea...but still...how could that movie not rock? -
anywho, getting sleepy. 'night.
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Other than that, I have no prob.
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It's 7:38am here, I've been up all night and I'm still not going to bed :P
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the LobsterMen be Pirates? Then you get that whole Ninjas vs. Pirates angle in, top seller, where's Spielberg to fund this!
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good post earlier, unfortunatly it's hard to convince people on the defensive when they might be doing something wrong, even if it's not conciously.
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It's going to be like Conan, but under the ocean.
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a boy and his first Ninja-Pirate Lobster.and with that, I am indeed out!!
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going for the hook for a hand viking aquaman or the metrosexual aquaman.
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Don't you see....Pirates have to be saved for Superninja II - Rise of the Lobster Men.
When a wizard unleashes an army of lobster men and pirates upon Japan, the ancient gods have no choice but to raise the greatest warrior ever seen from the dead, and so Superninja returns...but she's not alone. Joined by the combined Greek armies of Alexander the Great and Agamemnon, Superninja must rediscover her skills to destroy the evil wizard, his lobster mutants and the fleet of pirates before it's too late.
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his kindgom a la Flash Gordon. So he gets scruffy, but that orange costume is hot - it stays! He can lose his hand if there is a sequel.
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...saw a pic from the new Flash Gordon thing in production, he definatly looks like what's being passed off for the blonde haird blue eyed all american these days.
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Murphy may be writing it down but by the time it comes out it won't even have ninjas.
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I'll sue
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too. The audience wasn't into it. Everyone liked the Polar Bear guy (of course - bring on Battle Cat), but you could tell they were confused about the story and it looks sort of boring. Eva Green flying around was interesting, but other than that and the Polar Bear who cares.
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Barf!
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Murphy will sue you for thinking of the idea because it interupted his ability to give shit to TF fans cause he was too busy copying your idea.
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I mean you'd think with the success of BSG that things would be grittier when they bring these things back but they wind up being more smallville.
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the characters. They are just taking their stupid formulas and dressing it in the trappings.
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But then I'll counter sue on behalf of the entire internet for defamation of character and use the money I'm awarded to fund Superninja...I win :D
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the characters. They are just taking their stupid formulas and dressing it in the trappings.
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They took ET, Gremlins, etc. and married it to a Bay action film. Dressed them up in TF names and retch - there it is!
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I know so many people out there trying desperatly to get into the system (I was one of them at one point) and they get ignored/dissed/dicked around just to put out another in a long line of diminishing returns on the same turd gussied up in new costumes. Hence why I've returned to my Troma roots and have been slowly doing my own stuff outside the system.
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My head is full of ideas...one of which was a Flash Gordon remake which would essentially be two movies.
THe first would be about Flash and co crash landing on Mongo and trying to find a way back to Earth...this would include meeting all the characters, confrontations with Ming etc...
In the second film, Flash and Dale arrive back on Earth and try to warn everyone of Mings coming invasion...of course nobody believes them and Ming arrives and conquers the Earth with relative ease, leaving Flash and Dale as the only hope for the planet as they return to Mongo to try to unite the resistance and attack Ming head on. -
You don't need FX to pull off a lot of stuff. You can "distribute" to the web yourself.
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....has their own ideas for sequels and remakes of every movie they love or hate. Hell when everyone was going off on the Prequel Trilogy about how they could write a better one I actually started to do one to post on TFN but abandoned it as silly. But I think the best thing is to just get out and try and make it happen, right now I'm converting my completed scripts that are too ambitious for me to do on my own into novel form.
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weird that Paramount didn't Sue you Harry- I mean with the violation of copyrights that you do every day AND ALL.
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I mean I've seen amateur stuff that is so much more entertaining than main stream fair and most of it has FX I think you're only limited by the amount of people you can get to work with you and your own motivation.
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Even independant cinema has become part of the formula. Studios aren't interested in delivering unique movies. Everything is about focus groups and test screenings.
Despite the hate for the Star Wars prequels, it has to be said that Lucas is probably the only one capable of making movies the way he wants to without any interference, simply because he has the money to do it.
So until moviemakers can get funding outside of the studio system to make their big films (i'm talking blockbusters on privately funded budgets here) then the formula will remain the same for the foreseeable future. -
You know all those fan film guys over at TFN...I have a theory that if all those guys could manage to get together to work on a single project, not only would they have a half-decent film crew, but they would have the ability to create something that could stand alongside anything that comes out of Hollywood.
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with that. The question is can you present it in a new or thoughtful way? There is nothing new under the sun.
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I think alot of people make it harder than it should be. I watched The Lot and am listening to these cry babies whine about having 24 hours to do a 2 minute short, fuck that I used to do two cartoons a week for Troma with myself and one other person and we were happy as fuck to be doing it, was it rough yeah but it was fun it wasn't this stressful thing.
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a film is an easy thing in and of itself. It does need a cohesive vision. I still prefer smaller filmmakers with a lot of vision tackling big budget ideas. Like Lucas did when he first came out. Even Singer on X-Men was pretty successful, I believe. Favs on Iron Man. I like to see someone who has a clear creative vision on those kinds of movies, they communicate ideas better.
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He was wrong to present TF from the start.
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..I think they have alot of great ideas, and talent, but I think part of them feels that there fan films will get them that big picture deal with Lucas and they'll continue to just do the same thing over and over till it happens, I mean there where those guys who did the 40 minute fan film, that's a half hour short of a feature, I mean, just do a feature and make your own idea.
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...I think the TFN guys are so wrapped up in Star Wars they won't watch a full feature from any of their cronies unless it is Star Wars oriented.
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That's a lie. Take Bad Boys II. Please. But really, that movie was about something. I think it was about how Martin Lawerence and Will Smith think it's funny to shove a gun into the face of a presentable-looking 15 year-old, threaten him with rape, and kill him a nigger. That's what Bad Boys II is about. What a hoot!
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plus the Island was blatantly plagarised from Clonus.
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Some of them are pretty good, though if you have the moeny to make a film like that, why not make an original and sell it?
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own stuff. There is really no money in coming up with someone else's vision unless you've made it already. You get in the door by making your own product. I still want to know the scoop on those two guys who supposedly got their Wonder Woman script bought by WB - I bet they have connections although they made it sound like they walked in the door.
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...you can bet they knew somebody. That's the hardest part with the mainstream it's not even that you have to know somebody you have to know the right somebody and you have to trust them enough not to steal from you.
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but they should use that love and inspiration to make something new. I mean I love Star Wars, LOTR all that stuff and I've written stuff that is clearly influenced by it, but I've also written stuff that has influences from Asimov and Clark to Lloyd Kaufman so it's a matter of letting stuff influence you but not just copying it.
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Because I'm writing a Justice League script and I have no connections...for the record....JLA is not an easy thing to write.
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It may be hard to come up with good stories, but if someone has done all the work of creating the character for you, how hard is it to write them in situations?
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fast cars and getting laid.
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for an ALL AGES MOVIE?
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is to write your own stuff. I think the easiest is to write an adaptation or remake, it's why I'm so flummuxed as to why they keep fucking em up in Hwood. I mean when I did my retake script of Phantom Menace it was like water from a tap, but that's because everything was there, it takes me quite awhile to write a new idea cause I have to create everything from scratchl. Plus once you get all the format stuff in there it bogs everything down.
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seem to look just fine to me: http://tinyurl.com/2nhvcd
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Now I liked the film, but it received a lot of backlash from fans...but the ironic thing is, there is no single "true" version of Superman to base the character on....even within the comics.
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and tweak it to be about somethinge else but with the same structure/archtypes of whatever it is you admire.
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Love it ('cept Optimus looks a lil evil).
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Boring. That was the problem. Is it too much to ask that Supes doesn't fall for the Lex Kryptonite trick for once in his life? What a dunce.
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Because I'm dealing with my own characters, I'm not restricted in any way and I can be as creative as I like with the world I'm creating. But with adaptations there are certain rules and guidelines that need to be followed...though it appears that Bay wasn't paying attention
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you just have to watch out for the mis-steps of most team based stories, the all american, the crumudgeon, etc. I think the thing is to take a story like what they did in the Justice miniseries and try and parse it down to a two hour flick. I think where most people fuck up is take elements from several books and scatter it around or try and do their complete own thing.
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is the sequel to "Good Night, and Good Luck". Does McCarthy get the girl? Or have the already made the sequel and it's called "The O'Reilly Factor" food for thought. Dum Dum DUMMMMMM. Anyway, I'm looking forward to what Ledger does with The Joker. And Iron Man. That looks like a first class production all the way.
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I put myself into the situation cause I think the best stuff is the stuff where you can tell that it's written with a passion and I think if you can pick a character or create one you identify with then you can really make something good. As far as supes returns the only problem was the whole super-kid thing that was kinda lame.
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I'm not actually basing it on a comic book story. The screenplay is based on a fanfiction story I wrote last year. While I have to make changes for the script, the basic story is the same.
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you pare down the characters to those philosophies and realize how they clash with one another you figure out the team dynamic. Personally I'd make a Trinity movie first and then you could let in the other characters once you've established the three and their dynamic which is what the others are based on.
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how hostile people were to that animated fan film the other day, the new republic thing.
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him the Uberbat. He really shouldn't be able to take a punch from most of their enemies. It doesn't really bother me except when he over-the-top betrays everyone. Which thankfully they avoided in the JLU and instead gave that role to Hawkgirl.
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I thought the kid was a natural evolution of Superman...I mean he's been around for 70 years, he's been killed, married...having a child is a logical step...but the real thing with Jason is how they handle him in the sequel. He won't be Superboy, Singer has been clear about that, but while I like the idea of Superman having a son, it has to be handled with great care so it will be interesting to see where Singer takes the idea in the sequel...I think it will make or break Man of Steel and the Superman franchise overall.
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Superman. It was some creepy riff by Singer who then tried to depart from the character too much by attempting to reinvision the character in some PoMo way. He basically broke the myth and it was boring.
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But I think where it could make or break it is the fact that they did give him powers and if it turns into a once in every film he fucks someone up, I think the best thing for the sequel is if he's just barely touched upon.
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were annoying Harry was acting like it was from Lucasfilm.`
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translation? Over. FYI
Ubermensch = overman
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I think he put toooooo much of his own personal shit into that film, I remember reading an interview with him about the whole adoption/abandoment thing and that's great work it out in another film, this is superman and it was touched on enough just with the premise of him leaving to find his home idea.
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Batman does have a fight with Superman, using kryptonite, but it's very brief and for the most part, he's there as the "brain" of the group, the guy who figures things out.
In the original story there was a scene where Gotham is destroyed and Dick Grayson and Barbera Gordon are killed. Batman just loses it, he tears off his mask, not caring who sees him and lets out an agonising scream.
But this can't happen in the script since Robin and Batgirl don't exist in Nolans Batverse (it follows on from Nolan and Singers films) so I've had to change it so that the destroyed city is Coast City and Hal Jordan is the one who loses it (setting up a future Green Lantern film). -
Lois and they had the kid. No one wanted to see Superman as a baby's daddy. No one wants to see Superman being a drag stalking his ex-girlfriend. Broke.
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I think it was more the fault of the guys who made it not putting it right on the site "THIS IS A FAN FILM". But even still I think even if it was from Lucasfilm it looked pretty sweet, rough but sweet.
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no one wants to see let alone have a superhero stalker.
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...who would normally be in the know thought it was legit at first even the TFN guys thought it might be legit, it wasn't till the YouTube link hit then right on the top it said it was a "What If?" thing. I kinda wish it was the real deal the Clone Wars has been pretty well mined.
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I was hoping they were doing it with the megatron thing but alas they weren't. There's still a part of me that hopes that it's all a goof and after the opening a real trailer comes out and it's all cool and those attrocious designs where all an ellaborate ruse to keep it all secret, but nope not happenin.
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I was hoping they were doing it with the megatron thing but alas they weren't. There's still a part of me that hopes that it's all a goof and after the opening a real trailer comes out and it's all cool and those attrocious designs where all an ellaborate ruse to keep it all secret, but nope not happenin.
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He went to her house once to see her then once to see his son...granted the first time he did a bit of spying, but he's only human...ok he's not but he was raised as one.
He went to her house, she said she didn't love him, so what did he do? Got on with the job of being Superman.
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because he wants to let him know the score, not because he is actually trying to harm him. Don't make Batman a major asshole. Or Wonder Woman bitchy and bossy. She's supposed to be like sunshine, only sunshine that punches you in the face if you get out of line.
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...you kind of expect nerdy pete parker to spy on the girl he likes, he's nerdy and awkward, superman is superman he's not supposed to be goofy and awkward.
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And at the end of the movie, Optimus will wake up to find the real Megatron in the shower.
And with that, I'm off. Almost 9am here, no sleep and I have crap to do...this is the life.
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...some one will make the bad ass penultimate Dark Knight Returns movie. Especially with the quality of Sin City and 300 to match the style of the flick. Or maybe if the Superman Doomsday Animated thing takes off get a bad ass animated one.
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12:50 am here and I have to work tomorrow. Night all.
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beyond their view listening in on their conversations - creepster!
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Batman isn't the asshole...Superman is. There's a problem with JLA...Superman is too powerful and can handle most things on his own...solution? Make him the bad guy. Of course it's not his fault, he's under the influence of Darkseid.
The scene with the skirmish between Bats and Supes is part of a much larger sequence where Superman is leading Darksieds fleet to Metropolis, and the Earth's other heroes arrive to stop him...this is the first time that all 7 JLA founders are in the same scene together and the result is basically everyone fighting against Superman...trust me, I know what I'm doing :P -
Batman is like Bond, in as he's the pinnacle of human efficiency when it comes to fighting and evil-doer thwarting, or whatever. I never viewed Batman as a superhero, just a hero. When you think about it, he just a ninja-Dick Tracy with better equipment and a Halloween costume. I know, I know, there's more to his "personality" but I'm talking about the core physiology of the character. He even fights what ultimately amounts to as morbidly psychotic gangsters...sort of like Tracy.
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I guess that gets rid of that "What to do with Superman" problem.
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He grounds the other characters because of his cynicism. Almost all of the other members have a ridiculously optimistic view of humanity. :)
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Something happens to him...something bad...he dies...only to be brought back to life...only to be killed again...only to live...then die...he's killed over and over, only to be brought back every time by Darkseid, just so he can die again.
Superman basically loses himself, Darkseid essentially alters his perception from one of eternal faith in humanity to the idea that the only way to save the Earth is to conquer it.
What would happen if Superman went bad? This is one of the core issues of the story. The other heroes basically have to stop Superman and then restore his mind...he's so far gone that even the lasso of truth doesn't work (well actually it does...but it's complicated). Of course eventually he's back to his old self...kinda. He still bears the scars, both emotional and physical, as he has his final showdown with Darkseid.
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along those lines, I could see that route working. You just can't chump out Supes too badly, though. People don't like that. Flash, you can chump out.
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Seriously, hating this movie because it isn't true to the story in the cartoon is lower than childish. How can they use that story in the cartoon when it was as lame as shit in the first place? In the cartoon most of the robots already looked like our vehicles billions of years before they were even invented! when they arrived only Spike and Sparkplug ever have any real contact or dealings with them regardless how many times the autobots turn up to stop the decepticons destroying another energy source. GET REAL. the military and the secret service would be all over their ass from the minute they got an eye witness report. A story concentrated on selling toys during 20 minutes of poorly animated cartoon i fun but it won't keep butts on seats around the world, only G1 butts whcih hardly would pay for the budget costs! I've read the story for the movie and the prequle stories inthe comic and novelization, it's sensible! Way more sensible than the bollocks they used inthe cartoon so for chrst sake grow up a little and just let everyone enjoy the movie for what it is without your infantile moan about Bay?Spielberg raping your childhood. The only people abusing your childhood is yourself!
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Both against Darkseid and the other heroes.
For example, during the big scene in Metropolis, Superman is chasing the Flash along the freeway, but the Flash is always just ahead of him, so rather than keep chasing, Supes uses his heat vision to heat up the roads, turning it into sticky tar, stopping the Flash in his tracks.
His fight against Darkseid is...well I hate to keep using the word...but it's epic. At this point, Superman is good again and there's a great moment where Supes uses the boomtube to teleport himself into the centre of the sun, drawing in energy, before shooting off across the solar system and beating the crap out of Darkseid.
While this is going on, the rest of the heroes are fighting parademons and taking down Deathstalkers (giant space ships, kinda like Star Destroyers) while the UN Security Council sanctions a worldwide nuclear strike aimed at Darkseids fleet in space...this thing is huge.
And Superman certainly isn't a chump. When he goes down, he goes down fighting...and when he finally unleashes his full power against Darkseid, it's quite a sight to behold.
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Calender Man. Make it happen, baby. Make daddy some magic.... Ugh, sad thing is, I've never picked up a DC Comic other than The Dark Knight Returns. Stupid Eidetic memory.
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Origion, I don't know what fucking story you're referring to, but it sounds good. A hell of a lot better than all these superhero origion movies we're constantly given. The origion movie has become a genre unto itself, and only because it's easier for hack directors to follow a guide of A) good guy to B)tragedy befalls him at the same time giving him powers to C) "now I have superpowers and a motivation... to make two more sequels and complete my ultimate goal... a trilogy and high DVD sales" than actually just trust an auidence to recognize a superhero when they see him and let what he does throughout the course of whatever ADVENTURE he's on fill in the gaps. That's called developing characters. And the only way to do that is put them on ADVENTURES. And origion movies are not that. And while I understand most auidences aren't as familar with the fucking Punisher as they are with Batman... it's still basically the same story, and they're all there for the same reasons. To see some dude in an outfit get into fights with other larger than life dudes, hopefully in cooler outfits. - I think Singer was kinda on the right path by not trying to make an origion movie, even though he failed. And he didn't just fail by not being able to resist the flashbacks to the iconic imagery of Clark's past, or with just a crappy villian and story to carry it all along. He failed because he still tried to reintroduce the fucking character, even though it was technically a burned and bitter Lois, and a small child. Had the movie just started with and been about this Darkseid shit, I can't imagine anyone feeling cheated, or worse yet, bored. Which I'm sure you are, if you've actually read all of this.
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or maybe it should be origion, since that's how a moron would spell it, and I cleary am one of those. Ah who the fuck cares. I mean, what am I even doing with my life!? I'm on a fucking robot toy international poster message board when I could be making love to my hand. I've gotta get my shit together. Not using spellchecker is the least of my problems.
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Quint - That's pretty much what i was looking for an explanation " think the context of the joke makes fun of racism, so I never viewed it as racist" says it all. no really it does. It would have been better however to actually have said that when it all kicked off. I can understand your reasons why you or anyone else didnt engage in the Tbers at that stage, but from my prespective here it would have been better if you had said that there and then. It smacks of double standards to have whole threads disappear and also covered in black boxes i.e the "lost" lost thread on one hand and a total absence of anything on the other.
Harry you walk an impossible line you have to to some extent have industry support but also at the same time bite the hand that feeds you. you also have to deal with rabid fanboys who go from one extreme to the other. i get it. I thought you were totally wrong about spiderman 3, i think you're totally right about transformers. I think its hard for a lot of us tber's to understand the other persons point of view. which is why you get a lot of crap flying around to how far your connections go to one particular movie / director / studio or source. I think it would be great if you could be a bit more transparent into your connection from the begining when you actually write down a review rather then have to respond halfway through a talkback.
Quint / Harry i think this has been rather cool, it'd be great if you all could do a talkback / answer q&a session everyone once in a while on a semi- regular basis just so we could all hear whats up and coming and so you can get some feedback as to how you are all doing. -
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But when you're making a poster for a film that's a complete pile of crap I doubt you can get much enthusiasm up.
I see there's lots of new accounts that have suddenly appeared for the last few TB threads on TINO. I guess Bay hopes to artificially generate some positive buzz to get a big opening weekend before bad word of mouth allows people to realise TINO is a movie about some robots looking for their glasses and that Bay couldn't direst traffic let alone a TF movie. -
type something in funny Aussie-like speak...
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Grey needs some horlicks.
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The story I'm referring to is something I wrote a year ago as part of a Superman saga, starting with his origin, his conflicts with Luthor, Doomsday, Brainiac, Metallo, Zod and Bizarro leading up to Darkseid.
When WB announced JLA, I decided to adapt the Darkseid portion of the story into a screenplay, which I'm currently writing, albeit with some changes to allow for what is happening in the Batman and Superman movies. -
Frankly if I was Harry, I'd say "Because it makes me a crap load of money off web hits and banner advertising and whatnot. And because on a purely fan/geek level, you guys don't ever seem to get tired talking about it."Seriously, this latest article has only been up since yesterday, the 27th, yet if you scroll up and look at the "Top Talkbacks" chart the numbers are like 28, 29, 30, 32, 34, 53...and then there's TF, top of the heap, which jumps amazingly to nearly 450.Me personally, I remember watching the cartoon and basically thinking it was fun. I remember buying a few toys, the remnants of which are packed away in the attic somewhere. Least I think they're still up there! On the flip side, TF wasn't anything that changed my life THAT much, it wasn't something I feel THAT strong of an emotional attachment to, so I don't mind them tweaking the storyline or the robot designs for the movie. Right now, I'm actually with Harry on this one. I'm just looking forward to a fun Fourth of July movie, a true big scale summer blockbuster that I can check out after I've had some great barbecue and spent some time swimming about in the pool. At which point the idea of seeing some giant-ass robots slugging it out Bay/Spielberg style on the big screen sounds like a perfect capper to a holiday off spent completely relaxing.And I can't wait till this thing opens just to check back here. I'm almost willing to bet the talkback it generates will set an all-time AICN record for posts given the emotions that are ALREADY in play over this thing!
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THE WORST excuse in history for supposedly plot-driven storytelling. It was horrid. Only Akira comes close as a failure. I know Japanese stories focus more on "Experience" but, um shining lights and bloodbaths that masquerade as revelations and try to hide senseless meanderings so they can get to the next 30 fps of "look how awesome we drew this!"
...well, I'd laugh if they weren't such atrocities of storytelling that betray the artwork.
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unless they decided to give the intern a shot at the big leagues. Horrible layout. And two lens flares?
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lost.rules. is a FAG! Stop pretending to be me dude. There's just no comparison. Oh, And Harry. Don't root for Transformers. If it succeeds, then studios will keep hiring Michael Gay to direct their movies.
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Did Bruce see the awesome Transformers trailer and finally realize Die Hard 4 was doomed just like everybody else has?I saw that Die Hard 4 trailer for the second time this weekend, and it looked even stupider and less Die Hardish than when I laughed at it in front of Grindhouse.
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They think, Oh they still Transformed into robots that looked like our cars 4 million years ago..
Uhhh cause there was a budget on this childrens television show? Atleast they made the vehicle designs on Cybertron alien...They kept the robot modes the same to help kids recognize the characters and to save money on having to have the entire cast designed twice. Sounds like a no brainer to me But so many fucking idiots out there think the diehard G1 fans want an exact replica of G1 made into a movie.....Uhhh NO not all the things that were fucked, just all the cool shit. Like the fact they were crashed on earth 4 million years before they awoke (not come to earth in present day) Stealing energon as a subplot is also better than the Allspark. Come up with something NEW! The last alien movie where aliens invaded Earth in search of a mystical device was ermmmm HE-MAN MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE. If you're going to give faces to the robots who also are humanoid to begin with. How bout just make them look more like the original.People are fucking pissed because Bay is changing thingsfor the sole purpose of changing things. Because he lacks respect for it. And this is the one chance for a TF movie in 20 years and Bay doesn't fuckin get it. So what? Sit and be merry and wait 20 years for a reboot? I already waited 20 years for this movie but tis being masacared. Transformers should be made by someone who has a love and understanding for Sci-fi/Fantasy at least and at least respects Transfomers. Transformers should be LASERS not projectiles. They are ROBOTS first vehicles second. Not the other way around. -
Yeah, everyone says "They all look alike." That never happened in G1, did it?
Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge all looked completely different.
Rumble and Frenzy looked completely different.
Lazerbeak and Buzzsaw looked completely different.
Bumblebee and Cliff Jumper looked completely different.
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I mean, what's the point?
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the foul-mouthed Aussie. How I wish I had your accent. You know that movie Fargo? That's what I sound like...really. Exactly like that. So sad. The most un-sexy accent ever. It's the only accent that will help you NOT get laid. When I'm abroad, I use a Cali accent. Then people think I'm really laid back...and stupid. So I guess that makes sense, if I'm trying to sound like I'm from Cali. Peace Out.
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That's like liking a girl for her personality. WTF??
Prime and Co. must look incredible. Not exactly like G1, but like kickass Transformers, not scrapped up Bionicle with flames. After they qualify on looks (like a girl), THEN you look at what they have to offer. And since here the script sucks too, there is nothing. But they never even got past the looks test. -
i mean the kid is fucked in the 'ead...
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has been made and all your doin is sounding like a fucking whiney broken record, jeeze. Get over it, your fucking cartoon has been made by Bay now go blow a gasket over something that is actually important you wasters
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My netnanny won't allow it. WTF?
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to have done this. Didn't know stupid fucking morons like GABRIEL GRAY had enough brain cells to form a sentance. Wonders will never cease. Harry dude, just ban the cunt.
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thought he would have been booted a long time ago.
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taken to post the same thing on this TB, it comes to something a few minutes shy of half an hour. Half an hour to say three sentances. What a fucking mongaloid.
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Thanks. Oh, and GABRIEL GRAY... there are jobs out there.... if you look for them.
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You will come back with my name? Oh no... that would be fucking terrible. I suppose I couldn't then just go and get another one too could I? Are you seeking a job mate? Or a care home?
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How ironic. Goodnight fellas.
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I'd pick 'hollywood hacks' over some of the sheer river of arse-chocolate that flows through these talkbacks. Hell, I'd pick something that's been living under a rock for a million years rather than talkbackers.
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I touched a nerve, my work is done. :)
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May 28, 2007 12:51:52 PM CDT
Intelligence couldn't TRANSFORM Gabriel Gray into a man
by dead youngling
but having an alias on this site prob makes him happy. why he doesn't care if he's banned or not. Now back to tranformers...glad I have a friend whose a manager at a theater--i'll have all those goodies up in my classroom soon--banners, baby!
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U ARE THE FUNNIEST TALKBACKER TO EVER POST ON THIS SITE! ITS A SHAME IVE HAD TO TOTALY FUCKING DESTROY U! WE HAVE NOW DELEATED YOU 5 TIMES! BUT U COME BACK STRONGER! NO MATTER! SEE U IN 5 MINS I GUESS!
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I live in Miami...The crowd went wild for this movie. That thing on the big screen is pretty overwhelming and is definitely letting people know that they'll get what they pay for from a summer movie.....I'm pretty psyched for it
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"The only one abusing your childhood is yourself!" - - good quote.
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DO NOT INSULT MY ARCH NEMESIS! GABRIEL GREY. IVE DELEATED HIM 5 TIMES IN 3 DAYS!....THATS COMMITMENT! AND TO BE QUITE FAIR, HES VERY FUNNY!..... BEHOLD I AM TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION! AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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BUT IN GOOD SPIRIT, QUICKLY CHECK OUT HIS COMMENTS ON THE HOSTEL 2 PAGE. QUICKLY BEFORE ITS GONE. AND IT WILL BE VERY SOON. ITS THE FUNNIEST STUFF IVE EVER READ! I DONT THINK HARRY IS GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY! HURRY! THIS IS TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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ccchhhrrriiisssm is the biggest idiot I've ever seen on these boards. RoyKarrde (or something) is a close second.
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a great intro for a JLA film. Keep at it!
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hard to top, it almost sounds like a last JLA story.
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IVE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT U! PLS BEHAVE OR BE TOTALY FUCKING DESTROYED! AND STOP J L A FOR GODS SAKE! CONSIDER THIS A WARNING! I AM TOTAL FUCING DESTRUCTION AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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stalker or something. Guess I am famous now?
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Dude Total Destruction you either think you're funny or your butt fucking crazy either way you rock. I'm guessing you're a Heroes fan since you're other alter ego is Gabriel Grey that's cool loved the season finale of the show. ANYWAY I don't understand people writing on TB's since so many claim this site is "bought" and yet still come to it to bitch, I also believe that a decent amount of the TBers are bought. People blindly bashing or promoting movies I think are either paid to do so by stuido's or are pissed off people connected to movies. For example there were like one or two guys who heavily defended X-men 3 I'm pretty sure one of the was Bret Ratner. If they didn't have connections to studio's or people working in the business they would never get scopes and never have news. So all of you shut the fuck up. Transformers will be okay but it will be fun to watch and it will make money.
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actually more creative than anything these Hollywood people come up with on their own. On the rare occassion you get someone who gets it, but they almost never keep it (see the Berg). The rreal problem I have is they act like they're too sophisticated for it. Well, they're idiots.
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YOU THINK I AM OF ARE GABRIEL GREY? THE REGULARS KNOW ME AS THE LAST PERSON A NASTY TALKBACKER TALKS TO BEFORE BEING TOTALY FUCKING DESTROYED! IM NOT FUNNY, BUT I AM CRAZY {GOD KNOWSIVE WORKED HERE LONG ENOUGH} AS FOR U THINKING IM GABRIEL GREY! U MIGHT THINK SO I COULDNT POSSIBLY COMMENT!
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FAMOUS NO! INFAMOUS MAYBE! BUT ON YOUR LAST WARNING DEFFINATLY! AND PS ROBERT SILENCE IS A FINAL WARNING TOO! MOST DONT GET THEM!
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I keep comin' back until someone REMEMBERS seeing Richie!
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THE POST SO GOOD IT GOT POSTED TWICE! YOUR ON A FINAL WARNIG NOW! LOL {POWER TRIP} I AM TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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Most of that G1 stuff just wouldn't work. The Transformers arriving on Earth four million years ago just wouldn't work as well - in the cartoon, when they contacted Cybertron, it was as though the Transformers just left yesterday. It's also easier to introduce new characters in a sequel if there's no pointless four million year communication loss.
Energon cubes? Really, the Transformers should have no trouble finding energy on Earth anyway. The planet is full of it and they're a technologically advanced race - it'd be no effort for them to find power here. They're from an evolved robotic world - doesn't make sense for them to attack oil rigs, they won't even know what oil is with there being no fossils on a cybernetic world.
And character changes? I much prefer the more complex designs - they look different to their car forms but you can still believe they change into them. I wouldn't be happy with simplistic "feet change into the trunk, chest is the roof and the arms are the front of the car. The Transformation scenes would be extrememly dull and, yes, would just make them look like giant toys. -
Now I KNOW I'm seeing this!
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Earth, show some dinosaurs, and then fast forward putting the year at the bottom of the screen? They do it all the time in film to show passage of time - they could do that in the first 2 minutes of the movie. As for broken communication, they call Cybertron and the war is still going on and things are worse than ever and their energy supply is dwindling. Where is the discrepancy? They are in a perpetual state of Civil War. Converting the Earth for energy depot is the Decepticon's primary goal - not the Autobots. All you need is the Decepticons pillaging to justify the war continuing here. They attacked power plants and oil rigs and dams, by the way. It's simple stating they have to convert the energy to something they can process, because energy is energy.
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run on gas and put 2+2 together, they're too advanced - like Bay and Murphy. Hahah.
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TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION! CONSIDER THIS A REAL WARNING! PROFILE DELETION AWAITS MY FRIEND!
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http://www.firsttvdrama.com/central/universe/trans1.jpg
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actually see the movie!
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and that's my point. Yes they could figure out how to use gasoline but it's more than likely they've developed they're own source of renewable power in those millions of years rather than our new and primitive methods.
I didn't say the four million year gap couldn't be done (obviously as it was in the cartoon and comics) but it's easier to have them arrive now and makes more sense. Whilst you can do the "war still raging for four million years" thing, it doesn't work as well with adults. We question why the chain of command is still unchanged after all this time, why other robots even care of what happened to some four million year old casualties, how they haven't just stumbled accross Earth yet themselves in all this time. Also, if they had an energy crisis for four million years, surely they must have done something to renew it by now or they'd be all dead.
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THIS IS A LINK QUINT SENT ME A FEW DAYS AGO IVE JUST GOT ROUND TO LISTENING TO IT! BASICALY ITS A FILM SCORE MIX. BUT ITS FANTASTIC! IT CONTAINS ALL THE GREAT FILM SCORES MIXED AND EDITED TOGETHER! HERES A TASTER STARWARS, INDY, PHANTASM, JAWS, PREDATOR, GOONIES HELLRAISER ECT ECT! THIS GUY HAS TALENT! HERES THE LINK http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5303099694498193084&q=the+ultimate+movie+score+mix COPY AND PASTE! ENJOY
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thinks he knows better than the 9/11 Commission and that Sudan is a country that can be counted on as one of our allies in the "war on Terror"...what a douche bag.
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They live for millions of years, it's structured like a myth where they are in a perpetual state of bloody war. Everything in the story is built around that theme. Typically renewable resources don't develop during wartime anyway, innovations usually are related to weaponry. They are fighting over resources which are depleted during the fighting. Their civilization is in decline and on the brink of exinction. How long have wars been fought over natural resources? Even our own technology for renewable energy is not developed or cost effective. Another mistake here is playing it like TF are so much more technologically advanced, they are more powerful and alien, not more sophisticated.
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The magic MacGuffin with Megatron consuming sparks and Prime as his brother. Masters of the Universe is a great comparison.
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just like internet porn.
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as much as this film appears to have been. Yes, there are giant fucking transformable bots running about fucking shit up, befriending humans(or trying to kill them) and generally trying to stay one step ahead of Turturro and his government goons, but changing vehicles and using the same character names does not a TRANSFORMERS film it make. DeSanto shoulda fought more for the fans. Hopefully the G.I.JOE film won't turn into the "revisionist Joe/Action Man abortion" I've been reading about. Praise Larry Hama and Devil's Due for keeping "the real" G.I.JOE alive. The Hollywood suits would do best to keep it faithful to Hama's mythos and not some studio whackjob who cares very little for a 25 year old property. Hasbro should be ashamed.
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review over at Latino Review, then. Because the current script is DOA.
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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5303099694498193084&q=the+ultimate+movie+score+mix SCORE INCLUDES... RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, STARWARS, PREDATOR, PHANTASM, E,T , THE GOONIES, EXORCIST , ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK, THE FOG, HELLRAISER, POLTERGEIST, L,O,T,R ,REANIMATOR, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, 2001, ECT ECT.... CHECK IT OUT ITS FUCKING BRILIANT! COPY PASTE THE LINK.
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feature film. It would be better as a t.v. show on the Sci-Fi Channel (a la BSG). The high concept and stories are not anything special, it's just the colorfulness of the characters.
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if having different looking robots but using the same name isnt transformers.....well all these more recent series arent transformers either i guess because they're full of characters who share G1 names but nothing else..lol
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just wanted to mention that personally, i dont think all these newer series are transformers anyway because its just typical animal crap but i was just saying
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i assure you i AM THE REAL T, F, D. OR DO U WANT TO CHOOSE TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION ? LET ME KNOW! IM WAITING! THIS IS TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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ive been working overload recently. and to answer your question THIS IS TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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do you guys remember that G.I. Joe episode when Cobra Commander yelled retreat? That was a good one. Crickey!
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PREPARE FOR COMPLETE AND UTTER TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION...
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You know what really pisses British people off when they're in America? Tell them, "Wow, they're not kidding about the teeth thing!" Also ask stupid questions, "Can you have your meat if you don't eat your pudding?" and "Is England full of cockney chimney sweeps and flying nannies?" They hate that. Also ask them if they celebrate holidays like Christmas and New Year's Eve.
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I AGREE!
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Dude, You've been absent for awhile. I only laugh this hard when you are here posting... Where have you been?
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So in a sense, it is not as much TF as G1.
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Total Wanker At Talkbacks... bring it on cunt
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LEAVE FOR A WHILE AND ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE! SUPERNINJA AS GABRIEL WOULD SAY! I LAUGHED AND LAUGHED! THIS IS TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION! AND I HAVE SPOKEN!
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anything good since last night? too much work to read it all, and yeah i realize no ones gonna sum everything up for me ha
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CHECK THIS LEAKED AVATAR POSTER! LINK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCl_vR2vvmE
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http://www.firsttvdrama.com/central/universe/trans1.jpg
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COMPLETE AND UTTER TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION...
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There is a joblo.com logo on the side of that AVATAR poster.... Obvious fakery. I expect better work out of you......
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noone gives a crap about anything after G1
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Michael Bay......from the planet Earth.
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WATCH IT
Your opinions will be....
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Indiana Jones 4 to start filming NEXT WEEK: http://www.theraider.net/news/fullstory_indy4.php?id=193
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Really mate.
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Just end it, dude.
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Was post yesterday and our computers went down in work. I come on today and try and catch up and see LOST spoilers!Still havent seen last few episodes yet.Using my ninja training I closed my eyes just in time before my brain started processing. Phew.Anyway, nice to see you all got your AICN sellout crap sorted. Good one on getting it all out in the open Quint.Anyway am I still head chair in Silences 'Neil Cumpston' club. If I am will someone get me some coffee?Messi - why did you tell everyone Supes was agirl, it's so much fun watching people cal her a faggot.Superninja The Movie - Instead of the husband taking of her mask at the end he should kick her off a clif but then when he looks down at his feet he sees a flower he gave to her on their wedding day, then it clicks and he jumps off himself. Tragic.
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this weekend. That's so depressing. I guess we're going to be watching Pirates 16: Grandson of Captain Jack in 30 years. Kill Me.
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into the 'neil Cumpston' club he is a cockjockey. Someone should fuck him in the face with a broken bottle.Ban him with you ban potion.
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Seriously, dude. You can kill yourself. You just got to believe in yourself. I believe in you.
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destroy Stupormarch let alone anyone else.Now that is an insult.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFNIZ1Q_m74
If you watch it....
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How would Sylar kill himself? Oh, yeah. He just stand there while Hiro ran up to him, and shoved a sword up his ass.
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just dropped the 'R' and the joke took care of itself.You wouldn't wana waste too much energy on the twat.
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and a chair for GABRIEL please.Just take it out of petty cash.
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Does no one else think that having human characters and a contempary backdrop running throughout the film is the key to making the robots look immpressive. A few people don't even seem to want it set on earth. How would they be giant robots otherwise? Surely they are only giant in comparrison to humans and setting it from a human perspective emphisizes this fact.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFNIZ1Q_m74
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I fart in your general direction
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really fucking shit.
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banned....
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too soon
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I think that guy must be one of the most bizarre talkbackers I've ever seen. I haven't read through the whole thread, is he performing some kind of meta-joke or is he really that messed up?
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...cause it reflects via scale how much these characters should be in the movie.
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That is pretty much his MO--repeat the same idiotic, histrionic attacks over and over while claiming some sort of victory... Just taken to an as yet unforeseen extreme.
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talkback? That guy is messed up! Just noticed it had come up in the past 24 hour chart and though people mite be over there but it's just one guy having a consumer breakdown or somin.
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http://tinyurl.com/23hj5k
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cutting you deep like he cut us all. Powerful.
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like it was photoshopped, it's just the way it's a buch of images stuck together with the light separating them. Looks like Megatron is Optimus' conjoined head twin.
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Cybertron only need be referenced - they can show it briefly, but save it for another film. I have no problem with human characters being the main through characters - preferably having to choose sides. But I think it should mostly be about the Autobots and Decepticon's establishing strategic points and running skirmishes while the humans alternately meddle and are victimised by them. Then the Autobots decide to risk their position to help the humans, even though they are mostly ungrateful except the handful who side with them.
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sense of awe that these are giant robots. I mean they are spectacularly well rendered, but so what - know what I mean?
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I really wonder what he thinks he's accomplishing. I find this "say it enough times and it must be true" thing so bizarre.
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and they tried to make Spiner a Khan character. Hahah, he wishes.
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with the trailer. It didn't really have any big new money shot. It just seemed to focus on a couple of bits. I do think we have only seen a fraction of what to expect.I do think that it should be primarly from a human perspective with a lot of what is going on remaining a mystery until the end. That is how it would really be if something like that happened. The concept of TF live action is a 'what if' film, 'what if' big robots came to earth? It couldn't really be set from the robots perspective as this would be harder for an audience to relate to. I know that sounds like I am pandering to the geneal public, but a movie this size needs to in order to get made.
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BAY RAGE GIRL. I'm sick of these motherfuckin plants on this mother fucking thread. let get some mods in to sort all this out shall we?
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I think it could be set from the human perspective, but still have the TFs as the main characters. Hellboy did this really well, I thought. You meet the character through a normal person's eyes, but Hellboy quickly takes over the film.
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primarily about TF (what are these things, why are there here) and not humans-in-love and other Bay cliches (if you'd read the script you'd know what I mean). They could even have had them stay in disguise mode through most of the movie only to have them transform for the final battle at the end, as long as it would've been about the dang robot characters and set up the whole backstory and conflict I wouldn't care. Because that is interesting, robots blowing crap up is interesting for less than 5 minutes, I don't care how well rendered it is - it's NOTHING NEW.
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"Ra, gay gerbil!". Just sayin'.
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to thr TF perpective once audiences have embaced them as characters.I think having to much of just the robots alone talking would seem odd at the moment. In fact I think having them talk at all or act in a human way will be a tough pill to swallow.It works in cartoons but it was never really invisioned as being something that would one day be bought to life.
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pink jumpsuits? This show was such an insult to Trek.
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I dunno, I don't see why it'd be that big a problem. They learn fast, learning to adopt human modes of communication in a few seconds wouldn't be unreasonable. And robots acting like people isn't really anything new, as far as movies go, so...
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is whose side they choose and why, I don't care about Spike marrying Carly. It's a war movie in essence. The TF invade and the humans are not in a position to deal with them so they capitulate initially and then fall back and learn everything they can and try to either control or destroy them.
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really did come to earth we would have no idea of their history or war. We would only find out from what they tell us.As for the 'love' thing, i think it is in someway nessacary in a action film. You need to find a way of relating to the main character. I think people saying they don't want a love story sounds kind of like a buch of geeks being scared of girls (except you obviously Supes).
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HE'S PART OF THE GAY GERBIL CONSPIRACY, I KNEW IT!
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DON'T YOU KNOW THERE'S A CAPS LOCK BUTTON ON YOUR COMPUTERS! GABRIEL GAY DOES!
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Fuck you in the arse you fucking whores aborted fetus. As soon as you where shat into humanity your one eyed retarded ape faced mother instantly jumped out of the nearest window of the traveling circus you where born into and was mercifully hit by an 18 wheeler. She was going to take you down with her but couldent bare to touch your slime covered crime against nature half pig half donkeys body.
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It's all about juvenile lust. The script is filled with Bay cliches trying to manipulate you into caring about the characters instead of earning it.
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I'm fine with love stories, but I hate that they need to be tacked on to like every damn movie for a "human" element or something. Not every story worth telling is a story about people falling in love. It just comes off as pandering to try and get chicks to see the film.
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CAPS LOCK! CAPS LOCK!!!!!!!!!! YOU ROCK GABRIEL GAY!!!!!!!!!
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Only uses caps as he only has a claw hand. His ape faced mother couldent resist the moresome with his grandfather, uncle, brother and 6 random animals pulled out the swamp. Dont judge him
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you just got fucked in the arse motherfucker take a spin on me you fucked up elephant man
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Transformers is shit
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other than that, the poster doesn't look very good.
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DON'T YOU KNOW THAT GABRIEL IS GAY NAME! NO WONDER YOU'RE SO PISSED OFF! IT'S LIKE THAT JOHNNY CASH SONG, A BOY NAME SUE.
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Is that some kind of regional insult? Like, is being a barber for little kids a really bad thing in some cultures?
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WHEN YOU LOOKED AT YOUR BABY DICK PENIS, GABRIEL GAY!!!!!
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KEEP TROLLING, TROLLING, TROLLING, TROLLING. YOU IGNORANT TROLL!!!!!!!
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You're not describing "how to be hated" you're describing "how to make everyone think you're pretty sad and pathetic".
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telling him that I think he is an ok kinda guy. I don't want to alienate him, he's my new best friend, I love him, i want to lick him all over and I hope he posts forever.
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TIS IS YOU GABRIEL GAY! I LOVE YOU, FAG.
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He's Michael Bay trying to make sure this TB gets over a 1000 posts. Typical, from a no talent hack.
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I don't think we will ever agree.I was a TF fan as a kid but it never continued from there and I have always had a kind of love for Bruckhiehmer, Bay etc. I remember when the Rock came out and at that age I thought it was the best thing ever. And even now I expect more from my movies I still have a nostaligic love for the days I just wanted explosions.I wouldn't care if they changed all the robots names and made them pink.And no i don't think TF is as important as Spidey of Supes because it hasn't stood the test of time for long enough to be considered as sacred.But I do completely understand your fury over how it is being handled and if it was a franchise which mattered to me I would be saying the same thing.
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Hmm, you may be onto something. Gabriel, like Michael, is an archangel, and Gray to Bay is hardly a trip. GASP!
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Is that ignorant racist Imus
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Why, only you know for sure, the rest of us will have to be content with always remembering you as "that weird guy who bothered everyone on that one transformers board one time." Embrace your legacy.
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someone says 'maybe the biggest transformation was inside ourselves.'
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No youtube in work :(
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So you're Harry? Just trying to make the TBs a little more interesting by providing a useless idiot for everyone to laugh at?
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Ahhhahahaha. That would be hilarious. Or if Sam narrates and does a coming-of-age "This is really the story... of *my* transformation"
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into... a man. It all began when my dad bought me my first car...'fade out
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transformed... But I knew she would never even look at me... unless there was some kind of global invasion.'
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No bitch.... You're Wrong
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and she said 'I understand why you laugh, i gave birth to a retard'
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In his first "car"? Would that be considered a threesome?
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AND YOUR TITS! AND YOUR CUNT!!!!
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My favorite part is when it shows Prime transforming in front of the other Autobots... he looks perfect... he looks like Prime should look
and my 2nd favorite part of the trailer is when it shows the little girl with the pink stuffed animal pony, walking towards the swimming pool, and what I assume is a Decepticon emerges forth from under the surface of the pool, and climbs out. It looks fraktastic... -
a transforming car would be a metaphor for how their act of love making transforms them into adults.
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because Gabriel Gray's posts have somehow hit my funny bone. I guess if you repeat a bad joke so many times, it somehow... it somehow becomes funny.... somehow
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crushes the little girl and asssumes the cuddly toy is the main form of intelligence on our plannet.
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robots and not robots that transformed into cars.That would be awesome!
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you might have found a job by now. Like I said before, they are out there. But you gotta look for them.
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he's old enough have a job
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Please
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"it" might fall off
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...why he's so eager to admit we all get him off. I mean, jeeze, dude, have some standards.
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FUCKING BITCH
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a little too quiet...
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i went in once and it all looked too confusing
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...so what time did Don show up and crap all over the place.
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...so what time did Don show up and crap all over the place.
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watch this and comment...
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Multi-dimensional Deja Vu
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Sheez, just go the frack away, GGS. Ban this turd, Headgeek, Mori, whomever.
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my work computer cant go on either due to flash restrictions or somin
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I get banned for calling out Harry on sleeping with DOn Murphy in one of last nites talkbacks, yet this ignorant slut is hijacking every talkback.
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...the tranny talkbacks would be filled with "Flames on Optimus=" posts? Gabby's are just as obnoxious, sure, but it's just not the same. TTBINO!!! (transformers talkback in name only)
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This site is turning to utter shite.
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to pull chicks and see through girls skirts
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or just the quiet before the storm?
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pr0n
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test fgfgeryh
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abillity to shrink people. Then I could make tiny police.Who votes for me?
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i win!
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how do you bold text? anyone know how.
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bold test
Allowed HTML tags:
"Wherever you are, there you are"
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complex loophole involving having a post of a certain amount of characters. It can't actually just be done as normal code.
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Heh.
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praise jebus
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with great power comes great responsibilty and i would use it wisely. you know it make sense tbers vote for Mr_X
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about castles and dragons and children of fucking men etcvote pjdon for mod!
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it's a little complicated. Basically, do a break (that's without the spaces) then do 24 unbroken, non-space characters (such as ........................ then do another break, without a space. The end result should be ........................ Like this. Then turning it off is the same thing, but with for the SECOND break, not the first, and only 23 characters. Like this. ....................... Right? While since I done this, hope it still works.
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'cause it's a bug, it's not supposed to happen.
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you must be with your life to come on here and just spew nonsense like that.
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........................I'm bold, your bold, we're all bold!
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........................bold?
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........................Pjdon for mod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's not like someone's giving out a "Pointless Dipshit Award".
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Head chair in the 'Neil Cumpston' fan club and moderator.2 prestigious positions in as many days!When do i get my powers? Will i feel a tingling sensation?
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He provides a valuable target for mockery. Keeps people from getting into flame wars over Transformers, 'cause they're distracted laughing at what a jerk-off this guy is. And no one gets hurt, 'cause he's got delusions of grandeur we can't actually make a dent on.
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of a way to insult him but it's like insulting a dog.
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........................EAT COCK GAY GERBIL!!
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"You're a son of a bitch with no balls!" and then you realize--well, yeah, he is, and you kinda feel bad. Similarly, you tell this guy "you're a son of a bitch with no balls!", and...
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........................ MOD SQUAD
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Zb--ours was supposed to be an exclusive power, no? ........................Oh the oppressive force of imitation.
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you can bold MrX. Try closing your eyes and visualising the bold then just type.........................KAZZAM!
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At least on the internet. I work for a textbook company, and you fuckers had better pay for 'em.
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look at that space in the dots. fuck.
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I'm a teacher, and no, I dont pay for them. Well, directly, anyway.
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........................With time and patience, you shall aquire the power. .......................Just remember that with great power comes great responsibility.
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....or are you?
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coming along?
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Hence the "direct" qualification.
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--as long as I get paid, I don't really mind.
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I don't know where Silence is but i've been waiting for 2 days for him to swim over to england with my coffee.
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he sounds like a good guy so im sure hes going all out to get that coffee to you. maybe he ran into those crazy surfs up penguins or soemthing on the way
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for over 12 hours.you'd have thought at least one of them would have checked in.Is it a national holiday over there?It's a bank holiday over here in the uk
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i saw one of them stab a dog in the street the other day.
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Seems to be only if you directly criticise the people that run this site, or question their authority. I was banned for repeatedly pleading that they change the New Year's animation late in February (sorry to bring back any painful memories folks), but they let this fucking guy run and run. I fully expect to now have my face wanked in.
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Ewww.
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it's 4.58 in the morning here in the uk. I call people in australia so i only get there one national holiday a year.
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Tell me about it...
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is Neill Cumpston?
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and of course the day i get to see it myself (july 3 at midnight) obviously
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tehgreekhammer wants to know who neil is.
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For asking about the Lost TB. Why do I come here?
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you can look at me but don't touch
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picking up the server and shaking it and all the posts just falling out.I really need to stop working nights.6.00 am over here, time for my dinner.
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Goddamn little freaks.
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is this Neil Cumsin guy?
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the personification of a 15 year old chest bump. But in a good way. Which is why he should review TF.
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Man, I've had this ID forever!!!
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online roulette
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Why not choose 2 TBers to write a review of TF.One who was old enough to remember the cartoon but is not a dedicated fan of the mythology and is laid back enough to enjoy a Bay film for what it is.And one who is a real fan of the entire cannon of TF and is cynical about the whole Bay/MTV style of film making.That is why no-one has been able to come to agreement on TF because there are two distinct camps. Niether is wrong, they just have different tastes and different dedications to TF.I think I fit into the first catagory rather than the second but i'm not that extreme in either direction.Keep an eye on the boards and find someone from each camp who is dedicated to their side but is also objective enough to give a good review and maybe even admit they where wrong in certain aspects.Of course we will still want reviews of you Quint and co.And of Neil Cumpston of course.Whats everyone think?
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and send the 2 people you choose free tickets to see the film or something.
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granted its a piece of poo but what happened on this board? Geeze! AICN is a great source of Movie/TV info and comment but its just that, your still free to make up your own mind after reading whatever is written. Is it just me being logical here?
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Think the poster talk dried up a while back. There isn't a whole lot to say about it in the first place.
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Forget the lips... these 'bots have EYELIDS!
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even though I have no idea what the hell you're talking about...I know your name, and all the others you mentioned, and I've been on AICN for years. this robert bitch? never heard of him. he deserves Total Fucking...well, you know...
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Because he's pushed a tranny talkback from february back on the top tb list.
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a very good (and unfortunately abnormally well-reasoned) idea. are you sure you're a talkbacker?but how about third and fourth reviewers? the first one would be an unabashed Bay-hater, but have no ties or feeling towards Transformers whatsoever (I will volunteer, by the by)...the second will be an absolutely devoted follower of the Bay action ideal, and love his shit, but have no clue/care for Transformers.in this regard, you will have all bases covered. and in the end, with all 4 reviews, you should, in theory, have all 4 corners of a coherent and
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ill miss the transformer talkbacks.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whoever deleted that GGS' posts. :)
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I gots to know.
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I would like to hear him put in words what he likes about his films and i would like to see if his writing could be as manic and incoherent as his directorial style. Then Bruce Willis can write a rebuttal.
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You're killing me. I have restrained the urge until now. What's with all the hate towards superninja? Did she disagree with you on another board? It's definately none of my business, but you seem obsessed with slinging insults in her general direction. Oh, and on topic, I don't like this one-sheet at all. I'm no design student but it seems off balance and akward. I thought the profiles were more enticing. Matters not, since I refuse to pay to see this but continue to post about what could have been. Come to think of it, I'm actually tired of TINO now. I think I have goten all of the hate and complaining out of my system - for now. Looking forward to all the reviews though; simply for the sake of a good laugh. I expect numerous, glowing reviews. The fool that continues to hijack this board is beyond ugly. I am not tech savvy, but can they ban an IP, point of origin, email account, etc.? I mean, this waste of amino acids can just continue to create account after account and thusly reek proverbial havok on the boards. Can they block his mommy's computer or is that just not possible. My ignorance knows no bounds, but I am curious. Thanks to all that answer my query.
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but only because she knows I like it. ;)
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Believe what you want, but it happened. People in my theater said nothing. It was dead silent save for the sarcastic slow clap of one person.
The trailer is a misleading pile of turd. The script, I've read is the largest pile of shit I've ever read and that's saying something and the designs are hard to read and watch. Add to that the idea that it is now a car commerical for GM and you have to ask yourself why one would even care about this film at all anymore.
Giant Robots or not... it's not Transformers.
As for my leaving for a party. The party was great fun. It was an impromptu get together with about a dozen or so animator and film maker friends. We haven't seen each other in about a year or more so it was great.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that I'm basing my view of this film and my desire to see it on the script, the trailers, and the designs. Pretty much everything tells me this is going to be crap. Huge disappointing crap.
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...confetti and clowns didn't explode from the vents of your theater once the clip ended? The ammount of pimping that Harry and everyone else has done for this movie sickens me. I just wanted it to surprise me a little with some modicrum of decency. With all the hype, no way does that happen now.
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Is it really breaking news when Dreamworks unveils Transformers posters that will be used in press junkets in Slovakia? Is it?
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Your third to final paragraph sums my feelings up exactly. Nice to see that while I was away at the gym that this board hasn't been hijacked again. I have no idea who supermarch is, but I am glad(?) it's a case of mistaken identity. Superninja has never, ever been offensive, let alone aggressive/confrontational since I have been visiting this site for over a year now. As a matter of fact, superninja is one of the many AICN stalwarts who I enjoy reading regardless of if I agree with her or not. I'm not bowing down, just saying.
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boy that guy was a cunt.
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bastard, when will they ban him?And I agree that Superninja has never attacked anyone, at least that I've read. The reviews will be very interesting to read, but more so, will be all the posters. No matter how someone's review comes out, the other side will scream "Plant!". Should be lots of July fun!
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Everyone is quietly centering themselves, storing energy for the great July 4th flame war. You can almost smell it in the electronic air at AICN; everyone is quietly (some not so quietly)waiting ........................Its as though we're in some Sergi Leone film: everyone is staring each other down but no one has drawn their piece--yet.
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Still a month before we all find out exactly how fucked this flick is, huh? Shame.
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a little too quiet
Hey I'm related to Sergio Leone, it's in my blood to stare someone down... As a G1 fan, I don't have high hopes for the Transformers movie, as a fan of "some" of Michael Bay's films, I'm expecting visually stunning, edge of my seat, I just pissed my pants action adventure explosion pounding excitement. So what does that mean, it means no matter what I'm gonna go see the movie, and hopefully enjoy it. It means I have to let go of my G1 fanboy expectations. It means that I can't allow my self to build up my excitement too much and set myself up for a giant heartbreak. It means I must remember this is a re-telling of the Transformers story, and watch the film with an Open Mind. -
...but what I've read about the script makes me cry at night.
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Speeeelbuurgh directed it?
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Apparently Spielberg is the one who pitched it as "a boy and his car" in the first place and greenlighted the script. However, I think, 1: I would trust Spielberg more to actually define the characters, and 2: would have made the film more of a real family, PG-13 movie, rather than the really-wannabe-an-R-PG-13 it looks like now. And in a more family oriented movie, the sentimentality might have seemed more tolerable and less like tacked-on bullshit.
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Maybe it's just me, but even those that bash Michael Bay films (which ARE crap, for those paying attention) seem to pardon THE ROCK. I was one of them too. I'd say when people were talking about Transformers "Well, I hate Bay typically, but I dug The Rock." Yeah, that was UNTIL I watched it again last week...it's the same as all his other films. It's pointless over-patriotism and cheesy, BADLY written sentimentality and constant betrayal of semi-established characterization. So...for those defending a movie they haven't seen yet and BASHING those that believe it will suck...IF someone has NEVER made a good movie than WHY should those of us who believe he's never made a good movie give him the benefit of the doubt?!!?
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Bad Boys, The Rock, Armagedon, Pearl Harbor, Bad Boys 2, THE ISLAND!? Not a GOOD (let alone Great) movie in the lot. Bay makes fucking Godzilla movies. Don't get me wrong I love Godzilla, but for camp value and nostalgia. Bay makes movies you have to shut down your brain to enjoy...that RIGHT THERE FOLKS, makes them NOT GOOD! We don't live in a world where an action movie cannot also be smart and satisfy both sides of the brain. So why do so many believe we do!?! He makes Guilty Pleasures that make alot of money. Guess what? NORBIT made alot of money too...anyone think that's a good movie!?!
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Do I root for the film? Yes. I want TRANSFORMERS to make at least $750 million world wide. Why? So I can see a Weta designed EVANGELION movie before 2010. That's why.
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Sorry.
I hope this film flops so they give the franchise to someone else.
Thanks HeWhoCannotBeNamed, and Ricky Henderson. I can agree with you on all the hype as well.
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if they handle it in the same fashion as TINO has been handled. NGE deserves a load more respect than what Transformers has been given. Well I hope the "sacrifice" was not in vain. Just my two cents.
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Is going to disappoint in the same way that Superman Returns did. It'll make its fair share of cash, but Its not going to meet expectations.
Hopefully that'll leave the door open for a sequel (and a new director) to come in and fix some of these glaring problems. (Like Shia Ladoof killing Megatron @ the end instead of Prime)
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What, am I late to the party?
I understand the giant Optimus floating head (it's obviously a nod to Unicron it the sequel), but I am outraged by the right side of the poster. Why drag Mecha-Godzilla's into this trash? You heartless asspukes! Can't wait. Such a fan. -
I saw the trailer over the weekend. The FX look great but...but...it looks like another shallow one-liner fest a la Michael Bay asteroid movies. Say it ain't so! Are the Transformers even sentient? Do they speak? Is some douche kid gonna need Hot Pockets to save the world?
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I agree maybe covering all bases is the way.Like I said a lot of arguments over TF comes from complete differences in taste which will never be changed. People can't help it if they are not dedicated TF fannatics and just want to see another bay movie.I have far better taste than most people I know but can stil kick back and enjoy Bay.I think the whole TB reviewers would be a perfect send off to what has been a AICN phenomonon (?).
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I really don't believe he hates him. Superninja is one of the least offensive TBers and always brings something interesting to the table. Silence is just being kind of ironic or something. He knows I like Superninja and made me Head Chair in his club.
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Can July 4th get here any slower, the suspense is killing me.
To pass the weeks at least I have some movies on my list to help my summer out. Films I plan on watching in theaters Pirates: At Worlds End, Mr. Brooks, Hostel: Part II, Rise of the Silver Surfer, 1408, Captivity, Die Softest, Can anyone please tell me if Day Watch is getting a release in Northern California, and if so, when and where? please please please please with cherries on top please please thank you. The film I am most looking forward to, is Hostel: Part II, non posso aspettare quell film. I mean it starts of in Italia, how frakin cool is that. mille grazie. i giorni non passano abastanza velocamente -
because someone blew the finale's big twist. Not that crazy of a concept and if that's indeed what happened then I say "Kudos" to whoever pulled it. We shouldn't have to get spoiled if we don't want to... I actually avoided the last 2 lost TBs until after the finale aired because I was afraid of it being spoiled for me and looks like I might have been right to do so. That was a twist that was best kept secret.
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I've been catching up for the past couple of hours can someone fill me in on the Gabriel gray stuff what did he say? I'd like to give the Award for most prolific statement to Vadakin. I'm not going off on a tirade about AICN's coverage over this movie as opposed to X3 especially seeing as how the mods have taken a more stolinistic approach to modding as of late, but I do agree with you.
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watched the last few eps, I have them sitting on dvd ready to watch this friday.I didn't open the Lost talkback but accidently saw posted in another TB something along the lines of Flash-forwards with two charaters (i won't say which ones incase anyone else has not seen it but you know which two) being on the phone to each other off the island.How much have I spoiled it for myself?
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poster. He's actually just oped up again over on the batman TB.
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As for AICN staffers Verns general disdain for all things Bay, reflect heavily in his comment regarding Bay as a whole in the DieHard thread where we 1st met Walter B.
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how many times will you be banned? how many?
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