Coaxial

IDOL Meets GREENLIGHT!!
Mark Burnett & Steve Spielberg
Debut Fox’s ON THE LOT!!

Published at: May 22, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!!
You say you’re finding it difficult to get the skinny fabulous blonde starlets to sleep with you? We recommend you leapfrong over the pack and breed well above your station. How? Ask Brett Ratner (the “Rush Hour” series), who judges Fox’s new reality filmmaking competition “On The Lot.” Here’s how it works. Out of 12,000 aspiring filmmakers who turned in submissions, 50 semi-finalists are flown out to Hollywood. (Or at least the ones that don't already live there are flown out to Hollywood.) The youngest semi-finalist is Amy, 21, a “freelance director“ living in Los Angeles. The oldest semi-finalist is Mateen, 41, a teacher living in Los Angeles. Find the names and ages of all 50 semi-finalists here. Superstar filmmaker Ratner (“Money Talks,” “Family Man,” “Red Dragon,” “After The Sunset,” “Prison Break”) and his fellow judges (Jon Avnet, Garry Marshall and Carrie Fisher) decide who will become the contestants who make the films. Viewers vote on which films they like best. One of those contestants will become the big-time filmmaker. Hello, sexy young starlets! Will “Project Greenlight” vets Pete Jones, Erica Beeney, Efram Poetelle, Kyle Rankin, John Gulager, Marcus Dunstan and Patrick Melton be watching the premiere? Hard to say! I know I will be! 9 p.m. Tuesday. Fox.





HE IS VILLAIN!! VILLAIN!! VILLAIN!! THE WHOLE SERIES FOR $13.50!! THE AMAZON 2-FER SALE AM BACK!!

55% Off Fox First-Season Sets!! $13.49 FOR HILL STREET 1.X!! $17.99 FOR MURDER ONE 1.X!! $22.49 FOR BOSTON LEGAL 1.X!!

The Making of Star Wars: The Definitive Story Behind the Original Film

Readers Talkback

comments powered by Disqus
    + Expand All
  • May 22, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    first

    by Horror Freak

    um yeah... will this like most tricks and ploys of the major media just furthere deteriorate the film business... this i say as i want to be a director... eh

  • May 22, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Time to catch up on my Netflix queue...

    by FilmCritic3000

    because I don't watch this lame "reality" shit. They should have just called this "Suck Ratner and Spielberg's Cock", because if these deluded contestants think they'll get free reign on whatever feast on scraps contract they're thrown, they're sorely mistaken.

  • May 22, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    How many people can it possibly take

    by Napoleon Park

    to view, review and grade TWELVE THOUSAND short film projects, and where can I get that job?

  • May 22, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST

    They didn't have the ballz to select Damon Packard.

    by bartharris

    They didn't have the ballz to select Damon Packard. Despite his entry. Wimpz.

  • May 22, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Two words why I'm no longer interested in this show...

    by Kevin Bosch

    Brett Ratner. Imagine being a talented, inspired filmmaker that just happens to get on this show, and then learning that the whole game involves making the kind of movies that please a hack.

  • May 22, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    You're exactly right, DocBosch...

    by FilmCritic3000

    Yeah, they'll let a guy like Ratner, who has all the talent of a coffee cup, judge something. Because I know film analysis 50 and 100 years from now will be all about the hidden subtext in "Money Talks" or "Rush Hour".

  • May 22, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    They'll study his method behind...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ...making third instalments that nobody else wanted to make. The simple fact that Ratner has the availability to judge this reality show says enough about him.

  • May 22, 2007, 6:49 a.m. CST

    It's not about talent

    by Harold The Great

    I bet a lot of this show will involve getting your foot in the door, get your name out there, making important friends, appear in style, introduce some starlet's knees to her ears so the crew will respect you, etc. In those matters, there's no better judge than Rattner.

  • May 22, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Okay so I'll state the obvious...

    by TheSeeker7

    THIS is their judge panel?? *sigh*<br> <br> Also with the idea of the viewers voting on which are the "best" films and thus who goes on to get the best opportunities... lest we not forget in the not too distant past movies like "NORBIT" and "WILD HOGS" inexplicably cleaned up at the box office, so clearly leaving decisions in the hand of the viewers will not necessarily (in fact, almost certainly) extract truly the most "talented" individual filmmakers in said contest.

  • May 22, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    People Scrambling to Hire Top 50...

    by stlfilmwire

    I hate that Ratner stuff, and the show might be frustrating, but I think it is great that people are already trying to contact some of the top 50. Undeserving or not, they all seem pretty talented to me. At least 50 fanboys are getting a true break.

  • May 22, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Ratner should be a contestant, not a judge.

    by Zarles

    Kill a franchise much?

  • May 22, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I'm not a Ratner apologist, but

    by brianroberts101

    his movies make money. Maybe, just maybe, Hollywood is run by money. Think about it. They're not looking for the next Speilberg or Scorsese...they're looking for the next person who doesn't really care about having a vision. They're looking for the person who can direct what they're told--a by-the-books money-maker.

  • May 22, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    And his movies are fine. Just that, though.

    by brianroberts101

    Ratner is a competent director. Is he a director who has a certain, disctinctive style? No, of course not. He's a commercial director. I understand that people wanna jump all over him to an extent, but Jesus Christ! You're all lemmings, tumbling off the cliff after one another...I guarantee a lot of you LIKED Red Dragon when you first saw it...maybe even the first Rush Hour, but you can't admit it now, can you? Actually, I hope Brett Ratner and Shawn Levy have a love child and that spawn grows up to direct half of all future movies. Not really, but y'know.

  • May 22, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Here was my entry

    by KnightShift

    Schrodinger's Bedroom, at http://films.the lot.com/films/35785 (remove space). Didn't get a callback for the second round, but it was a lot of fun (I didn't start work on it 'til a month before deadline) and I learned a lot from the experience. Trying to see what some of the semi-finalists did for their entries...

  • May 22, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    12,00 Entries...

    by Saluki

    ... And they only interviewed 200. What a bunch of assholes. The top 50? All majorly funded projects under their wings. The whole "pick up a camera and send something in" thing being touted was a total load UNLESS you were a woman. Seen any of the entries by the chicks? Terrible. God awful. They were bending over backwards to find even a handful that didn't try to EAT the camera or something equally retarded. I'm incredibly disappointed. If they had just cast their net wider, I likely wouldn't be as harsh, but this was pathetic.

  • May 22, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Make that 12,000

    by Saluki

    Ahhhh, Tuesdays. Don't even get me started on why Ratner is to not be a judge. A guest judge? OK. But the show to show judge. Fuck me this show went down the drain QUICK.

  • May 22, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Ratner

    by Movietool

    Perhaps Ratner is a "bland" director like all the lemmings on this board seem to think he is. I don't know. All I know is that I'd watch X3 ten times in a row before I'd sit through Superman Returns or PJs King Kong once. I'd also watch Red Dragon over Hannibal any day of the week. The guys simply isn't that bad. He makes decent movies. Where this seething hate comes from is beyond me.

  • May 22, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Ratner IS a guest judge, Saluki

    by fantasticx

    Carrie Fisher is the judge who's going to be on every episode, at least from what I heard. The others are rotating. Why is everybody jumping on Ratner but not on the filmmaking abilities of Mrs. Fisher? For the record, I like the guy. He makes commercial films that make money...not everything has to be great art to be enjoyed, and I at least enjoyed X3, the Rush Hour movies, After the Sunset, etc...

  • May 22, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Said it before, and I'll say it again...

    by FilmNerdJamie

    ...the problem is they claim to want to find "talent," but they're a reality TV show, people. So they're going to want the cliched characters found on said shows (i.e. flaming homo-sexual, bitch, token black-guy, etc.) They need those types to provide the show with the "outrageous" moments that viewers turn to reality TV for. What gets lost in the mix are the talented young filmmakers they claim to be searching for...which is why I did not submit any of my short-films. It's like AMERICAN IDOL; they've flat-out turned down damn-good (if not great) singers in the audition-process b/c they don't fit their mold (i.e. easily turned into TV "characters!") My best friend (also a young filmmaker) said it best. "Why would people want to spend 13 weeks watching a bunch of egotisical dorks make short-films? Isn't this already treading on territory that PROJECT: GREENLIGHT covered years ago? But I guess it's a 'brillant idea' b/c Burnett's doing it and Spielberg's involved!"

  • May 22, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Carrie Fisher = Much sought after script doctor

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Or at least that's always been the rumor about her. I remember reading somewhere that she did some work on Hook and The Phantom "Yippee!!!" Menace.

  • May 22, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    I'll give you that Ratner's a fairly competent director

    by Kevin Bosch

    He gets his movies done, and without much fuss, which I'm sure the studio bosses like. He's a hired gun. He's the guy they go to when they need to find somebody who's available to shoot something quickly, because it's not like he has some passion project in the works. I have no real problem with Rush Hour, and I think the issues with X-Men 3 are far beyond him (hiring him was just one of the many mistakes the studio made that compromised the film) and he actually did the best he could. As a film watcher, I'd rather see an interesting failure (Hannibal) then a mediocre success (Red Dragon). I'd rather see a singular vision that I may not totally agree with (Superman Returns) then a studio dictated concoction (X3; what Ratner's Superman would've been). Even Michael Bay is more of a filmmaker, because even though he makes strictly mainstream fair, he does it with a very specific personal style. If Ratner could show that he was going somewhere with his craft, even if it were a Michael Bay route, it would be better then the okay movies he makes now. But really, Ratner will show up for whatever movie, music video, reality show, supermarket opening they offer him, as long as he's getting paid. But you know what, a movie-making reality show with Ratner judging wouldn't surprise me, since that it what will be expected in Hollywood. What bothers me, as someone that would have submitted an entry, is that this show has been promoted with the Spielberg name this whole time, only to switch him out for a lesser/different director at the last minute. It's like entering a film festival organized by David Lynch, then finding out that Spielberg would be the one ultimately judging your film.

  • May 22, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    what's frustrating....

    by exie

    ...is that a lot of the people on the show are going to get deals in town because execs fall in love with their character on the show. This of course won't help the state of filmmaking today which is all style over substance for the most part. Hopefully, execs will remember what happened to all those winners of Greenlight and won't be so quick to give projects and development deals to tv show characters. I know I sound bitter, but I work in the industry and twits like this will get hired for movies I want to work on because of this show and then I'll get hired 6 months later to do a page one rewrite on these hacks.

  • May 22, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Also, in Ratner's defense...

    by DarthCorleone

    I'm not a Ratner fan. Far from it. But regardless of whether or not he is a hack director, he is versed in the business, and his taste of what other filmmakers create might not be any more or less valid than ours. I remember seeing a list of his favorite films recently, and it was a fairly respectable list. So he might not be able to emulate greatness, but he could know greatness when he sees it.

  • May 22, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Every TB'er should be a judge!

    by I Own You

    Of course, the episodes may run a week over the hour format and get petty (but that's good TV!). As well, many may need to get parental permission to comment (but that's the Target Market!)...

  • May 22, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Very Nice

    by Evil Chicken

    I’ll definitely be watching and looking forward to participating in “On The Lot II” when it happens. Now, let’s see something cool.

  • May 22, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    I was called

    by Kilroy

    I was called twice by two different casting directors. They really seemed to like my entry. The divider was the other requirement: the director's intro video. It was a one minute 'talk about yourself'. The importance of that video was as important (if not more important) than the film you submitted. This only became clear after the fact. Many directors with good films didn't pass this test. It is a t.v. show after all and being telegenic (while not being at all important in the real world of being a director) certainly was a factor in being cast on the show. And in fairness, if the intro wasn't directed with style (as opposed to just sitting in front of a camera and talking) your chances again diminished. For those who care, here's the link to my submission: http://films.thelot.com/films/124

  • May 22, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Erica Beeney was hot

    by BitterMan23

    thankyouthatisall.

  • May 22, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Nope. Gotta watch the DWTS final.

    by CherryValance

    Maybe next week.

  • May 22, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    But what does BadMrWonka think?

    by jimmy_009

    I can't make the decision whether to watch this or not until he tells me it's ok. I don't want to be a moron.

  • May 22, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Kilroy

    by Kevin Bosch

    You totally got the 80s feel down. It's really impressive. Like to see the full thing.

  • May 22, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Being telegenic is very important for a director...

    by Paulseta

    ...just ask Eli Roth. (Or Mr Michael "I get my makeup people to do a makeover on me before I step onto the set" Bay) Of course, the exception may be Peter Jackson, who looks like a bag of hairy pumpkins that someone left out in the sun and then sat on.

  • May 22, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Ratner

    by Fing Fang Foom

    Did anyone see his ridiculous cameo on Entourage? What a desperate tool! Really pathetic. His parents had a ton of money and connections, so congrats, you're a servicable director with a hankering to be a celebrity. Stay behind the camera and spare us from having to look at you.

  • May 22, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner deserves to be a contestant on this show!

    by My Ass Smells

    Who the hell picked his stupid as to be a judge? better yet... who the fuck even knew Carrie Fisher was alive?

  • May 22, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    I won't watch this......

    by dtwookieman

    Because I hate all reality shows. And, I have a degree in film production, and one of my friends who is getting his degree in film production isn't going to watch it. We both feel that we don't want to watch a show that reminds us how frustrating and depressing it is to see someone else make it who really doesn't have that much talent. In some of the promos, I wanted to hit that one guy who is bragging about how he is going to be famous because he was born to make movies and he's known since he was little that he is destined to be a big time director. Hey asshole, who's ass are you trying to kiss? This show isn't produced by Quentin Tarantino so you don't have to try to impress everybody by sucking his cock. I'm sorry, I just have no desire to watch this show just to see a bunch of spoiled kids who obviously had money to be able to produce these short films to begin with. It's like when I was in film school, and we were all showing our final projects, and most of us didn't really have big budgets to make ours look professional, then this one guy comes in and shows his, and he had professional ADR work, and had impressive looking special effects, and he had good camera lighting, everything. Well, come to find out later he has friends and relatives who work in the industry who helped him out, he even had some semi-famous TV actors in his short. Needless to say, almost all of the other students who had struggled, and lost sleep, and starved just to get a semi-crappy looking film done really hated this guy afterwards.

  • May 22, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    AMEN BROTHER

    by THE KNIGHT

    AMEN!

  • May 22, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    On the Lot has too many women, I'm suspicious

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Women are almost universally bad filmmakers. So did you notice how many women were in the semi-finals? That means that some talented guys probably lost their place just because Fox wants to be politically correct. You know I'm right. The best female filmmaker out there is Adrienne Shelley and she's in the ground.

  • May 22, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    It was ok.

    by Neo Zeed

    I bet that a bunch film school grads look exactly like those guys on the show (Young dudes and feminist chix with cliche' hipster hairdos.) They talk like loud salesmen and can't wait to drop da film school lingo (I wanna pan back, do 360 zoom, and dolly back yadda, yadda, yadda)It could be funny on HBO where they can curse and stuff (Project Greenlight style). Also, I wish they would've dropped the pitch portion and got to the 2 minute short movie stuff faster. That would've been cool. I'll still watch next week.

  • May 23, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    What a boring, contrived, scipted, annoying show

    by Forestal

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

  • May 23, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    I take back my previous entry....

    by exie

    No one will hire most of these people. In fact what they probably didn't realize is how reality television only serves to make them look small and silly and common. The one guy who could pitch the Priest movie will definitely get work though if he has a feature length writing sample that is decent. Some of those other guys felt like they were the rejects they put through on American Idol just for laughs in the audition phase. It never ceases to amaze me how the intent of most reality tv is to humiliate the participants. Even the judges mocking them behind their backs only served to make some them look stupid. I was under the impression this show wasn't going to do that and I was wrong. And to the guy slapping the belt on the floor -- that might be the worst pitch I've ever seen/heard and I once heard a guy pitch a movie about a traveling gas chamber. You win.

  • May 23, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    is that a pot shot at those guys?

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    because feast rocked.

  • May 23, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Seriously, they should just give the prize to this guy

    by Hockle

    http://films.thelot.com/films/18730

  • May 23, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    The thing about Ratner is........

    by Doc_Strange

    I don't think he's as much of a hack as he is just a generic director. He doesn't make great movies, he hasn't made a really bad movie like Bay, Anderson, or Bol. He is just there, nothing more, nothing less. However I think given the chance, if he comes up with an original idea that he has a passion for, Ratner could perhaps be capable of greatness. I certaintly think he would have been a lot better choice to direct Transformers. At least we might have gotten something that looks like G1 instead of the NASA put together Rover Robots we're getting instead.

  • May 23, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    But the real question is....

    by Doc_Strange

    IS Ratner capable of an original thought? Is he capable of doing something great? Time will tell. For now his films are just........ adequate. I get the feeling his films are done the way the execs tell him to direct.

  • May 23, 2007, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Thanks DocBosch

    by Kilroy

    My entry was definitely inspired by 'Poltergeist', 'Explorers' and some other cool popcorn movies. Glad you picked up on the whole 80's summer movie aesthetic - not an easy thing to replicate!

  • May 23, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Vote for a weekly AICN short film(youtube) post

    by bioforge

    Get it judged by the TBers , might not be a bad thing actually for a few folks genuinely wanting to improve their craft. Thick skins not included.

  • May 23, 2007, 3:50 a.m. CST

    SOON TO BE CANCELLED BY FOX

    by Luvs269er

    I watched tonight's premiere episode. What a HUGE piece of shit. The minute that Carrie Fisher uttered "log line"-- and then gave a lame explanation of the term-- I knew this show was a goner. It didn't help that Fisher then explained 5 different "log lines"-- and her descriptions barely matched the print on the screen. What a sad, sad joke. The majority of America will not give a rat's ass about this. The only way this show isn't cancelled? Someone at Fox owes something to-- or is attempting to curry favor from-- Spielberg. My guess is you better have "FX"-- cause that's where this is going to play out later this summer... In between their 4 Trillionth re-run of that Summer feel good blockbuster "Independence Day".

  • May 23, 2007, 4:18 a.m. CST

    You had me at Steven Spielberg...

    by lost.rules

    But you lost me with Brett Ratner.

  • May 23, 2007, 4:57 a.m. CST

    ...from 33 countries

    by methosb

    How do you start with 12000 film makers from 33 countries and end with like 45 Americans and 5 non-Americans.

  • May 23, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST

    bioforge...

    by KnightShift

    ...that's a hella cool idea. Harry and the gang should consider it. Seriously.

  • May 23, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Kilroy - you were here

    by Paulseta

    That film of yours is absolutely brilliant, and I think you were done a huge favour by not appearing on the show. Well done, son! I would love to see the whole thing. Cannot believe anyone could top that. Explorers/Poltergeist/CE3K etc references all over the place, but it had it's own thing too. Great stuff!

  • May 23, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST

    wow Hockle that Cherry Tree short...

    by Evil Hobbit

    ...was very cool!

  • May 23, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Hardcore Douche Bag-ery

    by Sit and Watch

    Film kids are such bitches. It is funny to see them on TV. Not liking the contestants isn't a reason to NOT watch, it's why I'll watch. I love these competition shows- someone thinks they're hot shit, they brag and boast and run their mouthes about their dreams, only to have them crushed moments later. Good stuff...

  • May 23, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Carrie Fisher on Craig Furguson's show Tuesday night

    by Mr Incredible

    Man, did she looked weathered. What the hell happened besides bitterness and old age?

  • May 23, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    "Hobo With A Shotgun" should have been in there.

    by Uncapie

    Would have won hands down. I liked that trailer.

  • May 23, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    this is going to flop

    by HypeEndsHere

    BIG TIME. making movies is extremely boring. making student films is boring AND pretentious.

  • May 23, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Belt Boy was Awesome... too much energy or not...

    by stlfilmwire

    The show was kinda boring. It was about filmmaking but no films were shown. A couple pitches were nice, and yes, I loved Belt Boy. I want to be entertained. I don't want to see a series of Maid in Manhattan pitches. Give that guy a role in an Edgar Winter flick... or throw him some cash to dish out an action/comedy. It is clear that the belt thing was a calculated risk. He took their request to "bring energy" and he mistakingly brought it in spades. He's a bright guy. His intro video clearly shows that. His name: Jeremy Corray.

  • May 23, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    It IS a flop afterall...

    by FilmNerdJamie

    From Zap2It.com: The premiere of FOX's new series "On the Lot" bled a lot of its "American Idol" lead-in Tuesday, allowing ABC to take the overall ratings title for the night. ABC took the lead at 9 p.m. with the "Dancing" finale, 14.6/22. CBS moved up one spot with its movie "Jesse Stone: Sea Change," 8.5/13. The premiere of the filmmaking competition "On the Lot" posted a 5.4/8 for FOX, squandering well over half its lead-in and also falling significantly in its second half-hour. Ouch for Fox & Burnett...

  • May 23, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    This series won't last

    by amrisharmpit

    No matter how many big names are involved, I don't see much hope for this show. The idea has been tried before, not just Project Greenlight but also Film School (Bravo). The low ratings of those two series proves that filmmaking is mainly of interest to people who are already making films or want to. It does not have appeal to a mainstream TV audience.

  • May 23, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Reason why Ratner agreed to do this show:

    by jim

    After years in the business, directing some well-known, commercially successful films, he still is not a household name. No one knows who he is. They know his movies but not him. When I told some friends (all movie fans) he was directing X3, they all said "who?". Ratner is successful in the sense that he has a well-paying careet but he now wants the average joe to know his name. Plus he has a movie to promote.

  • May 23, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Will fail for the same reason Greenlight did.

    by Engelhast

    Most American's could give a shit about the actual business of making movies. They just want to buy their bootlegged shitty dvd of whatever the current Ben Stiller movie is and mindlessly sit in front of their boob tube stuffing their fat faces. That being said I am interested in the industry and I still had to work to sit though one whole episode of this mess.

  • May 23, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    The pitches that went over well? Cliche!

    by Wed Vid Guy

    Is it just me or were the pitches that scored the most unoriginal ideas. I felt like I've seen those films before. Bring on the priest in love with a posessed chick movie. I'll watch it.

  • May 23, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    They should have gone for broke

    by Wed Vid Guy

    And got Uwe Boll as one of the judges. One of the challenges could have been who could kick his ass. Missed opportunity!

  • May 23, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Utter tripe

    by Mister Man

    Worse than a bad episode of "The Apprentice." Burnett just keeps rehashing the same garbage. Who the HELL is that host? Carrie Fisher looks like Jabba the Hut. I made it through one hour. I'm also one of those film school grads (mid 80s) - "log line??? Guess I'm getting old - however, my subsequent involvement has been only in production, so I don't relate to the pitches. "Greenlight" was a hell of a lot better.

  • May 23, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    thanks Paulseta

    by Kilroy

    I really appreciate your kind words about my submission. It's so hard to get a short film seen - no matter the quality. I didn't watch the show last night. I have the feeling I wasn't cut out for reality t.v.'s orchestrated mayhem. I was holding out hope that the show would show a clip from my film in their television spots but I got lost in the shuffle. My next film will be feature length and I won't be submitting it to any reality show contests.

  • May 23, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    They should have offerd Kevin Smith a job as judge.

    by Engelhast

    That tubby bastard will whore himself out for anything. Plus Fisher would not look so bad if she had that sitting right next to her.

  • May 23, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I'm Tired Of Cruelty TV...

    by Buzz Maverik

    We're supposed to be entertained by the poor guys that couldn't pitch? Or those two bitchy guys that were put together to make the film (notice that guy number 3 didn't say a fuckin' word)?<p>These guys cried because this is their dream. It's everything to them. I don't want to see that.<p>You have to wonder how real some this shit is (like, duh!). I mean, don't these people know anything about the industry they are pursuing? While I have sympathy for the guys who blew the pitches (and I might have done the same thing if my ass was up there), couldn't they figure out that they needed to pretend to be Ratner (whom they claim to admire). I liked Ratner a lot better as a judge than as a director. He seemed like a cool guy. I like to think if I got nervous up there, I'd just pretend to be Ratner.<p>And those two assholes making the film. Yeah, I know, drama, entertainment, the show. Bullshit. If you and I get a chance to make a film together and we hate each other on sight, we're both smart enough to acknowledge it, agree to a temporary alliance and check our egos and make the best piece of shit we can, right? <p>Again, it's got to be easier said than done, but except for the chick with the glasses and that Andrew Hunt guy and the father from Texas, didn't any of these humps know that a director is supposed to run things? Sometimes that means being a terrorist, sometimes it means being a mommy, whatever the fuck it takes to make the movie.<p>And, my god, were those...what they call loglines now...weren't they the dumbest shit you've ever heard. If this is real, the decent pitches that came out of it are a testimony to the pitcher's talent. I could not imagine wanting to see those movies or how any of them could be done anyway except as comedy.

  • May 23, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    On bitterness...

    by DrakeVan

    Now i'm not going to apologize for the show. It was poorly put together, and showcased nothing of interest in regards to the challenges presented. But to gripe about the quality of the contestants themselves? What are you judging this on, exactly? I know it's not based on what you saw on the show, because the show didn't feature their films. So you looked at the website, and saw a lot of shoddy work. So did I. That's why there were only 200 callbacks as opposed to 12,000. And that's why there are only 50 contestants as opposed to 200. It's not easy to just wade through and find the outstanding work. Now I speak from a different position. I have a very good friend who was on that pilot episode. I don't know if he'll be going on as one of the 18 finalists or not. But I do know that he's both a damn good filmmaker, and a damn good writer. And I know that he made his entry film for about $15 worth of props, and some borrowed equipment. So funding is a myth. I also know that several of the other finalists were working with a lot less money than people assume. Good indie filmmakers know how to stretch a dollar, and how to beg, borrow, and steal. Sadly, the show gave the audience none of this knowledge. Those loglines? Yeah, pretty bland. If you're unimaginative. Seriously, there was so little restriction in those descriptions, any of those loglines could be made into any genre of film. What that task was designed to do was separate the nervous from the bold. It also let the judges know who the real writers were out of the group. It's not a dumb task, it's just poorly represented on this show. Here's hoping that Fox realizes that before they find themselves looking at another cancelled series.

  • May 23, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Amen DrakeVan. And about Carrie Fisher...

    by Calico Pete

    ...those of you criticizing her looks, sheesh fuckers. Let's see you when you're 50. I don't hear you complaining that Ratner looks like an overripe kiwi, or that Marshal's no George Clooney. Fuck that. And yes, she's a screenwriter, and a well-respected one.

  • May 23, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Your crushed dreams: my entertainment....

    by Brundlefly

    It's weird because I thought i would find something of interest in this show but as a struggling filmmaker myself, I thought OTL was pretty shitty. Also - I fucking HATE the false, edited 'moments' of friction that seem to be a hallmark of these Mark Burnett produced 'Apprentice' & 'Survivor' type shows. Case in point: Those two assholes who were having a pissing competition instead of just getting on with making the 3 location short - every 5 seconds there's a comment followed by a slow-mo reaction shot and a sound byte pasted over the top that tries to create a heated moment where there clearly wasn't one (of course that doesn't take away from the fact that they were both ignorant assholes who need to realise that the art of directing is the art of communicating in a functional way with a variety of creative people thus it's the art of COMPROMISING on a constant minute-to-minute basis while still ensuring that a major percentage of your idea still gets up on screen - unless you're one of the handful of directors who can tell everyone to go fuck themselves and just do as they're told) and considering there are 40 or so other contestants working away on their respective shorts, could we not have seen more of them too? Also that poor guy who blanked during his pitch - dude, you have my respect because that was a tough fucking situation to be in - 'American Idol' just makes me laugh my ass off with little empathy for the poor schlubs who think they're the next big thing - but my empathy for these guys on OTL - no matter how egocentric or overconfident they are - means that this show is just painful to watch - 1) because these guys dream's are being crushed so i can keep my hands off the remote for 5 seconds longer and 2) it's just fucking dull in its execution. It's too broadly aimed. It's targeting a specific demographic - Film geeks - so it needs to be aimed squarely at that demographic mainly because I don't believe the average guy in the street gives a fuck about 'logline' tasks or the difficulties of working together on a shoot. Still, I could be wrong but as for me, I think I'll Tivo the thing and keep watching if only because I'm glad it's not me on the show.

  • May 23, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Chelsea Handler

    by thevader

    I don't get to watch myself on the show, but I do get to watch Chelsea Handler. The glass is half full!

  • May 23, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Damn right I'll comment on her looks

    by Mister Man

    If she's gonna put herself in that position, it's fair game. I'm 46, ass.

  • May 23, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Mister...

    by Calico Pete

    And what position is that? Taped to the inside cover of the Desperate Housewives issue of TV Guide you keep by the toilet? You're 46... and, what? Does that mean anything dumbass?

  • May 23, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    FOX's VP of Branded Entertainment censors wikipedia

    by Drathan

    Listen, I know this is a long story to take in, but I was a contestant for this show... and I can tell you FOX treated people like shit in their website. People got gagged left and right, accounts deactivated, words filtered, the works. A bunch of us got together and made our own film community, karmacritic.com Someone posted about it in Wikipedia. I tracked the IP of FOX's Vice President of Branded Media trying to delete all references to us from there. Even today, if you go to thelot.com and type "karmacritic" the word will turn into "BLEEP" and your post will be deleted and your account will be banned in minutes, try it. The whole thing is here, screenshots, links, etc. Screw On The Lot. http://www.karmacritic.com/?q=node/276

  • May 24, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    The URL above

    by Drathan

    I dont know why a space got in it. Its http://www.karmacritic.com/?q=node/276 without the space between "=" and "node". I guess ainticool has a filter to prevent long sentences from widening the page. Cool.

  • May 24, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    I look great for MY age, jackass

    by Mister Man

    That's what. DH? Have never seen it, never will. I like Carrie Fisher - whatever.

  • May 25, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Stop the madness

    by Mister Man

    Mark Burnett needs to switch gears, if he can. The genre is seriously sputtering. And if we have to watch another reaction shot of contestants, retardedly grinning and nodding their heads, while listening to the screeching host, I'll start hitting random people with a two-by-four.

  • May 25, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    "Apprentice" would NOT have floundered...

    by Mister Man

    if Burnett had populated the show with deserving candidates, as opposed to obnoxious assholes, that he THINKS we all want to watch, and hate. This "Lot" crowd is idiotic, for the most part, and the show further emphasizes the misunderstanding of the genersal public, in regards to what actual production is really like. A film crew has hundreds of distinct roles, and making movies ain't all about directing.

  • May 25, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Women Filmakers

    by Flem_Snopes

    Well, that chick that made "Triumph of the Will" for Hitler was pretty good.

  • May 25, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Would've been watchable if

    by Magical Jew Eyes

    one of the filmmakers called out Ratner on being a generic hack right to his face.

Top Talkbacks