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UPDATED! The Joker Deploys Viral Marketing!! Help Trash Dent's Campaign Site!! Is Ledger's "Big Reveal" Nigh??
SPOILER ALERT !!
Merrick here...
You've probably seen THIS WEBSITE. It's a campaign site for Harvey Dent's District Attorney campaign (Dent is played by Aaron Eckhart in THE DARK KNIGHT).
However, you may not have noticed THIS WEBSITE. Evidently hacked by the Joker, there's something going on here that should mobilize AICN readers (and geeks far and wide) ASAP.
The picture of Harvey Dent is slowly deteriorating...pixel by pixel...revealing an image concealed underneath. You can help the process along...and completely uncover the picture that's underneath.
The site asks for your e-mail address & prompts you to enter a code. I am told doing so leads to your receiving an e-mail that...when utilized correctly...will remove another pixel from the top image. I haven't actually gotten this to work myself, but I have a terminally wonky computer, so this is no surprise.
When enough people follow this process, the Harvey Dent image will be completely disintegrated...revealing...whatever lies beneath it. Good money says it's a shot of The Joker. What makes us kinda sure?
Dr. Cliff Huxtable (an AICN reader) went to Meltdown in Hollywood a few days back, and found playing cards littering the store.
Dr. Huxtable says the people working in the store didn't know why the cards were there...some unknown person had strewn them around. Cliff was kind enough to send in pictures of the cards:
So, you know...
The disintegration of the image is well under way. Help it along...as quickly as possible...'cause BATfans everywhere are dying to see what awaits!
'Tis a shrewd and clever marketing effort. I like it.
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here... don't want to spoil your fun... I know I've had some fun today constantly reloading that website seeing the Joker face become clearer and clearer, but we have what amounts to the final image. Moriarty passed this on to me and I don't know where he got it, so it could definitely have come from another website... But it's not everywhere yet.
Here's the best, clearest version yet. My thoughts? The image will divide people. I can understand the die hards taking issue with the mouth scarring, but personally... I love the idea and if any of the spoiler-ish stuff I've been reading in the talkbacks about the origin of the scar and the origin of the face is true (a part of me hopes it's not, so I can be surprised) then we'll be in for one dark as shit movie.
So, take a gander at the gnarly pic!
Hey folks, Harry here... This thing looks like a physical representation of a John Wayne Gacy clown painting. Nightmares man.
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That's what it sucks.
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OH SHTI
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Nice job WB, its nice to seem them actually start to promote movies way in advance than the piss poor promotion they gave Batman Begins (no comic con, wtf??).
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The only thing better than being first is being first and seeing someone else get excited because they think they were first. Good Times.
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I can't get it to work either. I still havent received an email either. I want to see the joker!
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it's really WB doing this? I'm kinda wary about giving my e-mail out to whoever.
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gmail does though
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It seems like they are doing this thing right.
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mail it hard bitches!!!!!!! just a couple million more pixels to go!! :D:D:D
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I guess I'll play with myself until I get that email.
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I hope the image underneath is not Conrad Veidt, hey Mori?
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this is SO how to keep us geeks wooded up till the movie opens...!
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Hmm, gmail perhaps? That's my last option as I don't use America On Lifesupport
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I hope when its done we can finally see what he looks like.
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Sorta like the mining game in P-mon Diamond and Pearl...only it's going to take a long-ass time to find anything good.
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check out this difference overlay I've created just minutes ago: http://www.avi-film.com/joker3.jpg
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Can't wait!!!
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You can see the darkness around the eyes, the patchy white face paint and the smeared disgusting red makeup around the mouth. Interesting take, really plays on the insanity and darkness of the character. Can't wait to see more.
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Or is it Harvey Dent with bandages on?
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you can already see the edges on either side, sit back from your monitor and you'll see it.
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the slow way the picture of
Costner got revealed in No Way Out -
I've tweaked a screen grab with photoshop, and this is the result
- The grab:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6549/harvey1ie1. jpg
- Filtered
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4194/harvey2cr2. jpg
- Cleaning Harvey parts of the image
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4183/harvey3hr4. jpg
- And tweaked to improv:
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4084/harvey4ga6. jpg
As always, remove the blank spaces
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Which is it? Must sign up!
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possibly :-)
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the movie that hinged on computer technology that took 18 hours to render a jpg.
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White skin. Deep pink lips. Dark eye hollows. A field of black on both sides of the boundaries of the head.
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I wish more films had interactive marketing like this.
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oh well
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you can kind of make it out atm.
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i wonder if they stopped the "reveal" or whatever.
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www.avi-film.com/joker4.jpg
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I've just received my first mail, after several minutes. The "five minutes to play" are actually the time you have before the website sends the code you´ve got to someone else. I tried entering the coordinate and I got the following message "Broken plot, my friend. Invalid X/Y coordinates."
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It kind of doesn't look like it.
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But I'm not receiving the email. Gods-damnit. Maybe they decided they don't want the face revealed so fast. They must be pretty pleased with The Joker's face if they're going to reveal it in this way. Looking forward to seeing it.
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clown mask.
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Doesn't that seem a little strange?
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I dunno but if this website is supposed to be the joker's.... I wouldn't put it past the ace of knaves to watch us geeks do this repeatedly till about half the pic is revealed, and then fill the screen with playing cards or something.
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Because it didn't reveal Christopher Eccleston in makeup. No, but seriously, Warners needs to pay for some more bandwidth to this because the site doesn't respond that well. It took a long time to crunch my email address, and then nearly forever for the X/Y access stuff which only removed one square pixel, and that's it. It does work with Gmail though.
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WAY more excited by the thought of Eckhart as Two-Face down the road than by the thought of Ledger as the Joker... ?
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Yes.
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Everytime I punch in my email address and the code and hit "submit", a blood-spattered message comes up: "TRYING TO CHEAT A CHEATER. YOU MAKE ME SMILE." And then I never get the email. WTF?
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Or hit submit twice? probably why.
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They are taking this movie serously. Far more than they did Begins.
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But no email.
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I found mine after my 5 minutes was up in my junk mail folder under 10 pieces of junk. The sender is "Tragic Past".
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I tried it hours ago and never got an email.
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Sheesh, how many people are gonna haveta do this before we see the pic: hundred thousand or so? Gotta say though: clever idea. The look of the Joker is extremely important; I still say he was drawn the best in The Killing Joke; and I just don't think Ledger can match that unless he drops about 90 lbs like (ironically) Christian Bale did in The Machinist.
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Fucking Awesome. used my personal and business e-mails. Bet we can get this revealed by tonight.
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I'm officially tired of doing the gruntwork on this. I'm sure the Joker face will be everywhere tomorrow.
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I've got a two hotmail accounts, a yahoo account, and a pop mail account that came with my website and after 20 mins none of them work. Wonder what the deal is.
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http://www.10minutemail.com
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i've done it with two e-mail addresses, and it STILL has not sent me the e-mail that it apparently needs me to have in order to "play." lame.
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made up 3 hour email. I have to go to work, but bretheren, LAUNCH AN ALL-OUT ASSAULT ON THIS THING WITH A BARRAGE OF TEMP EMAILS!!!
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http://www.10minutemail.com
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I've revealed about 20 pixels so far :-)
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But I am not sure if it is the real Joker or a drawing.
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I revealed a pixel in the blue in the lower right quadrant of the picture.
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IVE BEEN WAIT 2 FUCKIN YEARS FOR THIS!
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10 minutes later, I still haven't gotten an email. Impressive execution, Warners!
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revealed the only flesh-colored pixel in the lowest row of the image *lol*
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can someone make a screenshot of your partially unraveled picture and put it online somewhere? I'd like to check whether we all see exactly the same revealed pixels
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You've gotta be kiddin' me! Look, batman-on-film.com thinks it has the image of the Joker that's underneath. I really hope it's not the Joker in full makeup. It looks awful. To think that the Joker looks like a normal guy with white skin, dark eye shadow and a lipstick smear...! Surely not!
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This is one of the best marketing ideas ever..... I know im a geek, but i find this fucking exciting!
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the only reddish one in the underline of the word "TOO"
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Why do people think The Joker is going to look like anything other than Heath Ledger with a white face, green hair and red lips?? The only difference with Nicholson was the crazy perma-smile and they're never going to do that again.
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It's WORSE than Ledger with red lips; it's Ledger with smeared lipstick! I can't help but feel a little cheated.
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... would've worked for me. I can see how they might have chosen that in an effort to be more realistic, or to mirror the appearance of the Joker in the landmark work, The Dark Knight Returns. But SMEARED LIPSTICK!?!?! Who came up with THAT idea!? I mean, that's not realistic; that's SLOPPY! He's not the victim of a color-altering substance; he's the victim of putting his makeup on in a moving vehicle!!! All hail the great and powerful crime boss who brought all of Gotham to his knees! C'MON! He can't even put his own MAKEUP on!!!
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this is what you get:
People always ask me about my charming boyish smile. Jessica used to love it.
She was the loneliest girl in high school, and my first big kiss... -
www.avi-film.com/joker5.jpg
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The lip makeup isn't smeared.
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Knowing Nolan and company, this picture is just a teaser, and most likely will not be what his final appearance as the Joker looks like. I can't see him going so overly plain with it that he just smears some lipstick on the man. Remember folks, were working with a trickster here (Nolan not the Joker. lol)
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The email states: "I always say, you never know what a man is truly made of until you peel the skin off his face one piece at a time. Here is your chance to help." Then gives a link and the X/Y code. I took out a piece of Harv's lip, if it matters. The word's make me think Joker's got something to do with Harvey becoming Two-Face.
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"Lipstick? Eh, what craziness are you talking about, woman? There is no lipstick!" ;-) it's just the normal color of his lips showing, where he didn't put on any white make-up
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the other "photoshopped" images are just that...photoshopped. I'll reserve my judgement until i get a de-pixilated image.
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That would be a pretty self-destructive action on the part of Nolan, wouldn't it? He's already taken some well-deserved slamming on the fight cinematography in the first film, and I say that as a huge fan of BATMAN BEGINS. I just don't see how he or the film would be served by releasing a fake image.
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Wouldn't mind seeing that. Could be really cool. I'm also with Mike_D. It's SO hard to tell with those half decoded pixel images. I want high res before I totally critique...
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Who WOULDN'T 've thought it! We, the all-authoritative fan-base, care deeply about this sort of thing. For example, we complained about Optimus; we complained about the raised webbing; we even complained about other things.
Fortunately for the producers, the only thing yours truly care about that much is the Batman series.
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I don't disagree, but even if the image is a "fake" of some sorts or more of a "teaser" of the Joker than anything then, either way they win. This whole thing has everyone excited (myself included lol. The seed has been planted as it were...
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This is almost too elaborate to be a hoax (though the possibility remains). I have a feeling TDK is going to put other comic movies to shame, and force me to write in Harvey Dent for president in Nov. 2008. How long have (some of us) waited for a truly deranged Joker?
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Go with a smile! Although this could be Marilyn Manson.
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gives you an instantaneous email account that lasts for 10 minutes before expiring
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that hes got six fingers!
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maybe the guy in the picture is dead... killed by the Joker... looks kinda like a bullet entry hole there on his chin... might even be a woman... wait, isn't this the Joker's girlfriend with the white mask from Tim Burton's BATMAN?
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maybe the guy in the picture is dead... killed by the Joker... looks kinda like a bullet entry hole there on his chin... might even be a woman... wait, isn't this the Joker's girlfriend with the white mask from Tim Burton's BATMAN?
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http://www.avi-film.com/joker6.jpg
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...bunch of cocky wankers. They really think working in a comic store in the middle of Hollywood means something in life. They aren't helpful, they look down on their customers, and I'm pretty sure they shower with incense. Not to mention the prices were OUTRAGEOUS. The only way they must make money is off new comics and dupes that think it's cool to buy comics on Sunset. They're only one uped by Golden Apple...the absolute WORST comic store on the planet! Well, that I've been to at least...
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When they send out the next marketing email and get 40,000 undeliverable messages?
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the whole, "check your e-mail within 5 minutes to play" thing...yep, i STILL have not received that e-mail. nice work, douchebags.
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come on !!!!!!!!!!
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I got my mail from Google no problems, did you read that bit about cutting the skin off a mans face being good for something or other?, creepy, I invited the sender to join Google mail and got this back as a reply "People always ask me about my charming boyish smile. Jessica used to love it. She was the loneliest girl in high school, and my first big kiss..." Pretty damn effective play.
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green?
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You can kinda make it out. It's a closeup of the Joker's goons masks they were wearing when robbing the bank.
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http://www.avi-film.com/joker3.jpg
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... are we getting an abridged version of the long halloween here, sans holiday killer? will Falcone be back this time around? already heard cilian murphy will be back in the burlap mask...
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and ingenious marketing.
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May 19, 2007 6:51:29 PM CDT
Nice marketing gimmick, too bad it will probably reveal
by jackpumpkinhead
...a giant turd. If the "gray cut face" description is real, and if Nolan will go for his moronic "realism" again. "Curses, I must
make my movie about a guy who dresses in a black bat costume and jumps between roofs in order to scare supercriminals bent on destroying the world EXTREEEMELY realistic! That's my priority number one!" -
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/poochthedawg/harvey.jpg
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why has this picture not been revealed yet? i would think that with the amount of geeks out there that this wouldve been done with sooner.
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and he wants to Rock and Roll all night and then take a nap. He's pretty old you know.
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......that is all.
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http://www.avi-film.com/joker7.jpg
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I heard that the joker is going to start of as a "nutjob" in a mask, then envolving some some shanagins with batman, ends up in the acid tank, and the mask is printed on his face as it burns, turning him into "super nutjob"
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FunkyEnigma, I don't know were you heard that but that would definitely be a sweet way to go about it. Totally fits into the realism angle.
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Hopefully, at least. Otherwise... Howard the Duck lips? It looks like a blind tranny trying to apply powder and lipstick in the morning...
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It kind of looks like the pic of Harvey dent, just whited up to look like the joker... will know in a few hours... Mask could be a good idea.
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so we will see his origin as the jocker cool!!!!!!!!! but the acid should kill you right, melt your body like the bad guy in robocop but ... well this is still a mask
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i think it's all a big joke
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just like to send out a thanks to all the guys who are posting the images with all the front poster crap gone. much appreciated
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the joker hahahahaha.... mehhhhhhhhh and yes he is ledger but with a mask duh...!!!
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To everybody who is putting in the effort, putting the updated pictures in the talkback. The rest of you whiny little nonce pieces of shit, quit fucking complaining. Ooooh, it may be a mask. Waaaaaaaaa! It very well may be, but it's better than a kick in the nuts. Quitcher bitching and enjoy it.
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you're welcome :-)
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waiting for the picture, yet I still got another fucking year to wait for the film!
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twice (2 different e-mail accounts) crafty (them, not me)
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do i have to enjoy a mask? you moron
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then stop wasting your time posting on something that is already as you say... wasting your time.
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As sad as this may sound, its kinda cool us talk-backers taking part in in something that will eventually reward us all with that fucking picture............WE ARE BROTHERS!
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would it be possible to get another update on the ol pic?
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cry more!!!!!
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Gonna be an extra on the movie next month here in Chi-Town. Should be cool.
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No seriously, I'm riveted by this little pixel reveal. And I'm not being sarcastic... I keep refreshing the page, caught up in this thing... That and I'm on Duty and have nothing better to do.
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Very cool marketing idea. Top marks for whoever came up with this idea.
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http://www.avi-film.com/joker9.jpg
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That's the message I got when I tried to get a 2nd email. Guess we only get one shot per account? Get busy, geeks!
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don't get lazy now, people! it's not bad what we got, but it's far from done
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it's just a mask. Either that, or this Joker eats balls.
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that Crow looking crap we were fed a month ago.
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Its a face with dark eyes and a big grin...safe o say it is the joker.
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myspace.c om/ ibelieveinharveydenttoo
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I resubmitted my email address after getting nada the first time through, and got my X/Y coordinates emailed to me in a flash. For those that were out of luck before, try it again.
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use http://www.10minutemail.com
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joker will be getting tons of returned emails. heehee!
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Pretty cool. Just hope they don't go for something as simple as the Cesar Romero look. I'd be extremely disappointed. I can be wrong but from the last reconstruction i saw, it looks as if the side of his face is mutilated. Could that my mind is just playing tricks...oh well.
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isn't the Joker supposed to be "less about his laugh and more about his eyes"? I want to see his eyes. Hurry up, you cock-gobbling cum clowns.
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this makes me feel like i'm in a bad cop show.
A little clearer now, enjoy:
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won't it actually take longer for us all if people submit fake email addresses?
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I joined Myspace just so I could look at the pictures of Michael Myers on the Rob Zombie page when they first come out. Within minutes that Tom guy had added me. Who the hell is he? Why is he bent on having millions of friends? Is he the owner of Myspace or something? I did my part and knocked out a pixel. Maybe I'll do another. That 10 Minute Mail thing is useful as hell, how many times have I needed some dummy account to register for some stupid site? Thanks to whoever posted that. I think I'll save my Joker comments for when the picture is fully revealed.
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and yeah, it def looks like they've gone the way of mutilated cheeks
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these are pretty good!
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DAMN YOU MYSPACE TOM!!
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yeah, feels nice :-)
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If he's on everyone's Myspace that would make him infamous?
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you will just have to work a little faster thats all. im keeping mr. joker busy so you can sneak up on him.
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it's not like i should be doing any actual work anyway:)
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He has two gaping cuts by his lips and red lipstick smeared over it.
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I have a feeling it's going to disappear or turn into one of those shrieking flash things after the big reveal
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good plan, i'm on it...
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heheh, same here
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So, I can't see this shite or help out... Why the hating on Hotmail?
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I have a feeling that they're going to make this Joker not funny at all. He's going to be "too dark", which isn't going to be dark at all, since this is a PG-13 movie. I heard that the Joker is going to turn the water supply into Jell-O. Yup. Fuck you all.
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Chrisitan Bale in joker makeup?
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my guess would be the picture won't be complete before next week or so... 'cause as it gets almost complete, more and more people are gonna feel like they've pretty much seen it and lose interest... and it's gonna be up to a bunch of real geeks like us to finish it
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For those who say the Joker doesn't wear lipstick, read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller (Sin City, 300). He uses poison lipstick, and mind control lipstick (if I remember correctly). It looks like this Joker's grin is carved into the face. My guess is he mutalated himself.
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Absurd, yes. But his jokes are rarely funny to anyone but himself.
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...although my Yahoo! account took a couple of minutes to show up. My Gmail was instantaneous. Two more down.
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just to finish this shit. what a geek!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can't bother to read all of these comments to see if anyone else has already suggested this, but: with all this talk of mutilated cheeks and tranny make-up, has no one considered that it's a picture with fingers pulling the corners of the mouth w i d e and tongue protruding forth, sputtering and issuing forth microscopic (yet expensive) droplets of Ledger (or Eckhart) saliva? ... Just a thought...
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WE NEED YOU MAN
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You can start making out a white face, for sure. It's definitely Heath.
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if only someone would download the embedded flash shell and grab the pic right out of it?
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So you can more easily see what's going on.
http://tinyurl.com/2o2sdn -
The URL I posted above is the actual image the flash movie downloads (I decompiled it like you suggested) and it's being generated server-side, so there's no way to cheat and download the whole thing. They were smart.
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the mind-control lipstick is purple. Also, the Joker is supposed to be elderly in DKR...like 67 or some shit. Also, he fucks cats.
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Warner is traying to find out how many people are interested in this movie. ZILLIONS!!!!!!! I want a teaser with harry potter 5!!!!
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Thanks for the effort though.
I guess I'll just have to wait for forever.
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I am just going to paste a clip of the 40 minute long convo I had with a friend about my far too high standards for this film because I thought Batman Begins would be terrible but I saw it 7 times in theatres and another 30 on dvd and is my second favorite film only to Field of Dreams:
-i am just praying to God that since the script has been kept under such lock and key that chris nolan is keeping a sick ace up his sleeve and that maggie gyllenhall is actually going to be Harley Quinn and not Rachel Dawes. as a fan. i would worship the ground nolan walked on if he pulled something that huge. to me that would be as big a move as the secret they kept that Darth Vader was actually Luke's father in Empire.
-yeah but isnt she just slated to take over for rachel homes?
-that is the word on imdb. but if they are on closed sets than who knows?
-wow. that would be fucking amazing!
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how about another progress report skynetbauxi?
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http://www.avi-film.com/joker11.jpg
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if the Scarecrow will be back? I think this movie will be as good as "Van Helsing" or that Captain America movie starring J.D. Salinger's kid. Eat shit and die, you fucking cheeky boys.
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the webdesign is horrid, anyway.
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Please come back when you're not frequenting imdb message boards for facts.
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his head is slighty tilted back and his eyes are half-open. He has bad acne, too. He's the before picture in a Pro-Active commercial.
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web design? It's a flash page u dolt. Not much design to it. Der
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How does what I wish would happen in the sequel make me dumb? I just told my friend that as a quick reference.
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well, i was referring to myspace, not the dent teaser page. not that it matters.
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yet... I'm sure there will be toys of this psycho with the happy meals next year. "Yes mom, i want this psycho-killer with my big mac" well done warner you did it again
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Looks mangled as George Bush's language skills and Courtney Love's goo-pot cubed and then multiplied by Pi. I think the Joker is going to be a gay hustler in this movie. He might also sell dictionaries door to door.
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the last link you sent doesnt work....or maybe its just my computer...who knows....thanks again for posting these
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I was also thinking it would be pretty badass if they gave him a sliced open mouth like the way the Captains mouth was sliced open in Pans Labyrinth and you coud see all his teeth. Just a thought.
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From this photoshop (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b210/ollirudi/reconstruction2.jpg)posted earlier, it seems to me that his eyes are actually open but is wearing black "all-eye" contacts....which if true, would look very creepy. Dead eyes.
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http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b210/ollirudi/recreation3.jpg
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He seems to look somewhat like this: http://www.nightmarefactory.com/FA60.jpg
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Dwight Schrute from The Office is scarier than this douche bag. This Joker sits around watching "Best Week Ever" and listens to Sheila E's "The Glamorous Life" while shaving his pubes with a Gilette Venus razor. He also doesn't like football, eats White Castle, read "Babysitter Club" books, uses mascera, and he likes "Gilmore Girls". This Joker sucks. All the things I wrote above are in the script I read. I got the script from this homeless retard who was eating sardines, wearing a Superman III T-shirt, and he was smearing poop on the window of the public library. His name is Renny Harlin.
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you're right! now it's really online: http://www.avi-film.com/joker11.jpg (don't forget to remove the spaces)
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it's not that people are lazy that they can't just go to the site and look, it's that (I assumed you saw the site already) there is something in the way, mainly the banner, that doesn't give you the full effect
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on the actual site it's a little hard to see the hidden picture, with the Harvey Dent picture still mixed in... that's why us people remove the Dent image
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I tells ya it is!
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Is a cow fucking idiot.
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awesome!
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Putting in your email address you already used is actually kind of fun too cause he of the message in the block!
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and looks like a drag queen now
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is the biggest bad ass on this board.
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the red lips look like they are shaped the same as the bat symbol
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Is my father. He broke my mom's heart and now I'm out for revenge.
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just added pixel no. 604x310 and uploaded http://www.avi-film.com/joker12.jpg and now I'm going to bed (it's almost 4 a.m. over here). guess this'll look great tomorrow morning. it's been fun, guys
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http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b210/ollirudi/reconstruction4.jpg
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Opposing him? And how will the Joker's animosity towards Dent get Dawes in distress?
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In the reconstructions people are doing, they're making his lips really thick. Looks to me likes he's actually showing some teeth in that smile, right above where the blue panel starts in the Harvey Dent image. Just a thought, might make your reconstructions a little less, uh, Jolie-like.
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Quite a cool way to reveal the new Joker.
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i hope... the damsel in distress formula meehhh....
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i'm not actually adding any material to the reconstructions, merely duplicating the pixels nex to the missing areas...so it's fuzzy, but it should be fairly accurate to the final picture.
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how come it aint clear yet,cmon boyos,give us a proper smile :)
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as if a bit of his lip was missing.
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I think he's going to look a lot like the picture of Dent. Blackened eyes & smeared lipstick. I don't know why I didn't see it sooner.
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homicidal artist." Warner Bros., you are geniuses.
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Are you talking about the textured area on the right side? Could be white scar tissue, like if he had had stitches there.
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damn i'm excited over this movie. They've got balls to overhall a character in such a way. This looks creapy as hell!
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Definitely looks like the sides of the lips are all scared up--think Pan's Labyrinth.
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you heard it here first. Cesar Romero or bust.
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...when Capitán Vidal opens his sliced mouth a bit... First thought was how that would look cool if they did that effect with the Joker.
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always makes me remember in film school when I got Toshiro Mifune's name confused with Takashi Miike...so embarrassing...
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does resemble a rudimentary bat logo. Can we just skip this summer and all of it's shit movies and go straight to summer '08?
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on us (look at that shadow at the middle of his mouth, right above the blue stripe)
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Nice timing. Haha.
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"HE'S showing his tongue..." Damn I'm excited.
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You don't like it. You've said it a number of times. Duly noted. Hey, everybody, Colonel Activity doesn't like it. Roger that. 10 fucking 4, good buddy.
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I see the Scarring runs along the jawline, along where the teeth are, what if when he smiles you see the scars open up revealing ALL his teeth.. so he doesn't smile like Nicholson or the grinch, or some Gay cowboy wearing makeup... but more like an ALIEN........
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http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w57/stink_fish/53946cdc.jpg I know, it looks like the one sheet for Factory Girl
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get all those sociopaths on the Rambo thread to join in. That's helping the cause, no? Oh, and on a different subject, isn't it awesome that Jim and Pam are hooking up.
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Really appreciate the effort. We all do. Very cool.
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you should have drawn just lines with hash marks on them for scars, like you did as a kid...you know? that would be even funnier!
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ITS PAUL STANLEY!!!..... Evidently KISS is making a comeback... ROCK ON!
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It looks more like Peter Cris than Paul Stanley... or maybe since he "has his tounge haning out" it might be Gene Simmons.... It can't be ACE.... it hasnt got the right amount of Gay.
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http://tinyurl.com/yqkufw
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http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b210/ollirudi/reconstruction5.jpg
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http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w57/stink_fish/3a076396.jpg
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I think the white paint just doesn't cover right below his lip and what you're seeing is skin color. Also I don't think teeth are showing in this picture, the revealed pixels are all black.
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It's the Joker, of course he's sticking his tounge out! lol
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I took this image from tree on the website - here is a link http://www.flickr.com/photos/anansei/505199918/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/anansei/505199918/
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The last few photos don't work.
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The first shot of Joker should be with a crazy-ass grin. Not like some reject juggalo at 3:30am getting back from an ICP concert.
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I replied to the email. Addressed it to the joker. Got this back as a response:
People always ask me about my charming boyish smile. Jessica used to love it. She was the loneliest girl in high school, and my first big kiss... -
www.flickr.com/photos/anansei/505199918/
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could easily be because of shadow. based on the light source (see the shadow under the nose), his eyes might be dark without there being makeup present. keep in mind the picture outside the trailers in Chicago. there didn't appear to be heavy eye makeup present.
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Van Helsing. It rules, because this Joker sucks. The Joker should have a purple face with yellow lips with a pair of Arabian Googles.
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...about the story? It would appear that the Joker has a hate on for Harvey....does this mean that Two-Face's origin/creation is now attributed to the Joker? (i.e., is he the one that disfigures him?) For a streamlining of plot/character lines, this makes sense, I guess, but it smacks just a bit of Jack killing Keaton's parents instead of Joe Chill in Burton's not-aging-very-well-except-for-Keaton flick....any thoughts?
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has anyone noticed that the smile looks like it's marked cheek to cheek? didn't BOF have a spy that reported this?
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..is that you? Cute? Us hot 'gals' dig that shizzle. You must get the mizzeat often.
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no no, like in a crude drawing, whenever you see a scar, it always looks like a line, with hash marks through it. like this: --|-|-|-|--
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I have better things to do than follow the sheep.
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http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/heath_joker_ibelieveinharveydenttoo. jpg
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http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/heath_joker_ibelieveinharveydenttoo. jpg
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...on batman-on-film.com! Kickass it is, and anyone who says otherwise hates America. It's just enough to appease the rabid fanbase....for awhile. And even then, only some of us. But it's Heath Ledger as The Joker.
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is six foot tall and 190 of muscle. A total stud. The best looking guy to ever post on an AICN board. Bow before him. This Joker sucks. He also cured polio.
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not the full image
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There are people on the superherohype thread that says Joker Strikes that have cleaned up this pic REALLY well. Looks pretty kick ass.
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http://www.mywasteofspace.com/ibelieveinharveydenttwo.jpg
"More from "Chicago Extra" and the possible look of TDK Joker:
"I'll say that it resembled THE CROW in that it looked like the character did it himself, but it wasn't 'THE CROW makeup' (as I look again at pictures from THE CROW, I think part of it is that Ledger's facial structure with the white makeup resembles Brandon Lee's).
All of the makeup looked like the character used stuff you could buy at a store, and did it himself. The white went about mid-neck. He had a dark blue around his eyes, giving them a sunken, slightly demented look. The red smile was a thick (1/2") arc from mid-cheekbone to mid-cheekbone. It looked like the character grabbed a red stick of clown makeup and drew on a 'smile.' His hair was a greenish brown that looked like a poorly done home dye job. Overall, I thought the makeup looked like the character was trying to draw something that resembled the masks (of which, I assume you have see pics)." -
There isn't a full image on the website as the code looks like it will load from someplace else after enough is uncovered - the one I posted is all there is and not one of ollirudi's edits
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there is still mention that he gets a big gash due to something Batman does in an early altercation. so this may very well be pre-incident with Batman.
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what?hhmmm does the image showed up completely? no? mehh
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don't take credit where it's not due, man
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hopefully the bus he uses for the bank heist is full of children. That would be great.
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some of you hate America, and this Joker look. I dig it though, especially for Nolan's realistic Batman, and as reported on Batman-on-Film, the scarring apparently happens in the movie because of Batman. So this is probably one of two looks for The Joker, plus the masks.
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Does anybody else think Jack Nicholson should have a cameo in the movie, such as being Joker's boss (before he becomes the Joker)?
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that was for the pic below mine
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this is taking too long forbannade unger
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no thanks. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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has jumped the gun. His tongue is sticking out the side of his mouth...
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Guys he has his fingers in the corners of his mouth as he sticks out his tongue... He's mocking us... this is Heath but it isn't the "Joker" it is probably referrence makeup for perhaps something digital Ala, Davey Jones POTC-DMC at least thats what I think.
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This is bullshit. I tried with two fucking different addresses and I didnt receive no mail. Oh yeah, but sure now I'll receive some fucking Warner spam.
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It's Mark Hamill.
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It's not his tongue. It's as though his lip has been severed from the corner of his mouth. I don't see any fingers. You can clearly see the swollen scar tissue on the corners of his mouth. Looks like he got cut up pretty nastily.
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so I yahooed. Now what happens?
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It seems like it's like... 3/8 done now. Not halfway yet. I think?
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... and hopefully tomorrow I'll say "Good morning Joker !"
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Anyone make out the chain in his mouth???
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Go to 10minutemail.co m (remove the space) and use that.
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go to 10minutemail.com and use the address they give you. you get your email in a matter of seconds. after ten minutes they expire the email address, so you make a new one so you can reveal a new pixel. ive done it a billion times now. single handedly took out half those dots...
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I love it when films campaign like this. It reminds me of the campaigning for the first X-Men film. They had sites like this for Senator Kelly and fake news sites about mutants and sites where you could report mutants to the government (which were always your friends). I hope the online advertising for Batman continues in this direction. I'm really excited for this film and it's probably the first time DC has ever had me excited for something.
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in TDK, according to BOF. In fact, as I previously said, this is likely the 2nd look of Ledger's Joker, plus those clown masks. I love this bit of marketing though. Dent '08!
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REVEALED!!! the same photo that ollirudi created an hour or 2 ago!! YES!!!!!
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Looks like some blurred image from a Marilyn Manson video...come to think of it, Manson woulda made one HELL of a Joker; is it too late to cast him?
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So much trouble for this crappy image...
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yes, I saw that when I edited out the spaces in the site name...still the same image ollirudi made an hour ago...I wasn't implying that you made it, just that, you know, you might want to read the threads and see what's been posted before you get too excited...
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Is it me, or is Nolan's Joker, none other than Marlon Brando's Jor-El from Superman Movie? This IS a crossover! Yay, just what I was hoping for. In an evil twist of fate, Jor-El survives the planet Krypton's explosion, and travels through space for dozens of years only to go crazy and end up on earth as Batman's arch nemesis the Joker. Which puts Supes in a pretty tricky spot, because Superman of course starts out helping the Dark Knight only to realize as they are fighting the evil Joker that it's none other than dear old CGI resurrected daddy....oops.
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Instead of "Norwegian-Viking-Black-Metal fan" crazy? Just a thought...
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...just so you know. it's just a reconstruction.
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someone that actually already resembled The Joker in appearance or demeanor like Marilyn Manson or Crispin Glover, Warner Bros and Chris Nolan decided to with an ACTOR, in this, a motion picture; this technique is often used for movies/films. In this case, the ACTOR is Heath Ledger. Move on.
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Ledger is a pretty bland actor, so he's not exactly the best choice for "crazy."
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heh. btw, if you zoom in on the flash pic now, he does appear to be sticking his tounge out
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HOW MANY MORE?????
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First, you should use your googlemail account if you have one.
Once you do the first email thing. Simply add +1 when you do it the second time. Then +2,+3 and so on....
For example; bobby+1@gmail.com
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It seems like it should have been done by now. Aren't there rabid fans on other sites? Or are we the fans on the other sites?
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You just haven't seen the right movies where he displays this. Check out Candy. But anyway, what's wrong with the Joker's cheeks? He'd better not pick at that.
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The SHHHH! Boards have been running wild; one guy claimed to have been at since 10 am.
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It's all about googlemail. It works quickest with googlemail. Some cats probly dont got googlemail so they haven't received the stuff yet.
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I really hope this Joker shares Krusty's affinity for hookers, booze, and gambling. That would rule: A Joker that bets against The Harlem Globetrotters because he thinks the Generals are due.
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stole that from del Toro
i just knew that would pop up again.
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Is that who that's supposed to be?
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so joker stop playing around... SHOW YOURSELF!!!!!!!
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The Joker senr me a reply to when i ask for more coordinates.
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The skin on his cheek is ridged like he's pulling back the corners of his mouth. Look closely....
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People always ask me about my charming boyish smile. Jessica used to
love it. She was the loneliest girl in high school, and my first big
kiss...
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I don't think it would have been such a terrible thing to attempt to get the Joker's "look" right along with getting someone who can say the lines properly. Brad Pitt can act, too. So can Hugh Jackman, Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino, etc. But I wouldn't have picked ANY of em for the Joker (to be honest, as much as I got a kick out of Nicholson's portrayal, I didn't particularly see HIM as the Clown Prince of Crime either). Christian Bale not only is a fine actor; he has the right LOOK for both Bruce Wayne and a guy just nutty enough to want to dress up as a bat. Ledger, to me, just does not have it. To date, I'd say the best film portrayal of the Joker was Andrew Koenig's in the Batman short film Dead End: that IS the dude from The Killing Joke. Psychotic, colorful, gleefully and violently crazy. Nolan got it absolutely right with his portrayal of the Dark Knight: let's hope he also does appropriate justice to the best villain in the entire Batman camp. (And here's another Actor who coulda done wonderfully: Robert Joy, whose most recent work was as one of the mutants with the most screen time in the Hills Have Eyes remake. That guy had crazy nailed down as far back as Milos Forman's Ragtime.)
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When the screen shifts to being pixelated and you can somewhat see The Joker's face, it distorts the word "HARVEY" so much that it looks like the Marvel logo that plays before the opening of every Marvel character film adaptation. Probably not what Warner Bros. Pictures intended to do...promote Marvel instead of their own DC.
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sorry, dudes
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Actually, it's from Ichi The Killer http://www.subwaycinema.com/frames/archives/nyaff03/images/movies/ichi1.gif
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All I care about is if its a good movie. Heath Ledger might not have the perfect look for the part, but as long as he gets the acting part of the job done then I don't care. Nolan Rocks!
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why do we go so crazy over an image?
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Why don't they just trot out Heath Ledger the way he looked in "10 Things I Hate About You."? Looks don't matter? Go fuck a cat.
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I didn't say they don't matter. I'm saying that Heath Ledger is close enough to looking like the Joker. Pretty damn close I'd say. You're probably one of those jackasses that wanted psycho loony Clover to play the part. Go Fuck yourself.
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Maybe it'll look better in the film.
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The joker, from what we've seen thus far, has a look that's CLOSE to his in the comic books/previous incarnations, but retains the more realistic look that Bat Begins seemed to favor. I mean, if a person were in real life to be nuts enough to actually commit some of the crimes that Joker is supposed to have, one would assume that he's pretty depraved. Combine that with the idea that, as in the original Batman, Joker is scarred from some previous accident, I think this look reflects both his desperate craziness and his scarring. I think the look will probably be pretty good when all's said and done. And remember, if Ledger may not resemble what we already consider the Joker to look like, then perhaps Nolan simply WANTS us to see this joker without necessarily connecting him to his past in other mediums. Just a thought.
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First off: go fuck yourself, because no one else will. Second: You said that you didn't care. Most people that I know usually don't care about things that don't affect them, i.e., things that don't matter. Did you say that you didn't care? Sure you did, you little shithead. Go wank off while dreaming of Jerry Falwell's fresh corpse, you ass-plundering cock-smoker.
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Have faith in Nolan, he won't fuck it up.
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Really. If I wanted the same old same old, I would just pop in Tim Burton's Batman into my DVD player. It's nice to see Nolan doing something different.
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Funny you should mention dubbing Mark Hamill's voice. I said that ages ago, but with Christopher Eccleston playing the role and then dubbing in Hamill's voice once "The Joker" became the dominant personality. That would have made an Ultimate Joker for the cinema screen but the Warner execs apparently have no vision.
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If you're thinking of Jerry Falwell's rotting corpse in your sexual fantasies, well, I think you help dude. Really, it's not too late.
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did you see his film What is it?
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Ah, great come back: "Seems you think about xxxxx too much, you need help," is the oldest stand-by for the tiny cretins of the internet. Come up with something original...and in that vein, how much help does Bret Easton Ellis need then? Dumb fuck.
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Could this be the ultimate Batman Villian? Just think about. He could annoy Batman to death with all his whinning and bitching all the time. Batman doesn't stand a chance.
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Sucking Ass.
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He says Batman Begins is a "silly" movie that didn't build on the previous films like Batman & Robin. Right on, Dickface!
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May 20, 2007 12:06:03 AM CDT
I've used four different email addresses...
by film_fanatic_in_the_original_black_and_w
And only two got through. Also, I used them more than once. I waited a while and used them again, so don't give up people.
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Did you finish your autobody repair course at the local CC yet? You're not very creative, my little butt-pee slurping ignoramus. Grab your Hardy Boys book, curl up in your My Little Pony blankey and sink into the oblivion that suits you and your void of talent and imagination.
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of the Opera. WTF?
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http://i18.tinypic.com/661t3jd.jpg
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and Hardy Boys.......nuff said.
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He looks like a Misfits fan circa 1983. It still looks to that he's got his fingers pulling at the sides of his mouth...
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I raped you and had your daughter.
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for the inspiration for lost.rules comebacks. Name the novel Marcel Proust is famous for writing lost.rules. Hurry up, you cockless ass-pirate.
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DICKFACE to be skeptical of a new Batman movie. I mean, hey, if you or I should be dissappointed by it, we'll just say,"Oh, well. Wasted eight bucks on a stupid movie." But if someone like Dickface did that....well...that's a lot of money to someone like him. Sympathize people, if you can.
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Christ, you're gay.
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I promise you that I am A) more successful B) better looking C) more intelligent D) liked more by more people and E) not skeptical about this movie, but instead concerned that they're going to make Heath look too "Crow"-like. The look of the Joker might distracted me, but not as much as Katie Holmes "lost.rules" talent level acting or the fact that she talks out of the side of her mouth for the whole movie. Capice?
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Are you guys seriously going to keep this up all night? Go out. Have a beer. Stop the adolescent bickering.
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I won't even bother getting into a intellectual debate with you. What chance would I have against someone who uses phrases such as, "butt-pee slurping ignoramus"? No chance at all, my friend.
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i did a quick enchancement based on the pic br1947 posted...(remove the spaces in the address)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b210/ollirudi/retouch7.jpg
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...and the scarring on the cheeks looks much worse (i.e. better) than the BOF pic. Looks more defined and much more of a "smile"...in fact it looks like a smile even though Ledger ain't...cool.
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Never seen it. Okay, how about you name seven Dostoeveky novels for me, a few Baroque composers, and the theme of "White Noise" by Don DeLillio. Hurry, my gay little ass fucking piece of shit who has never been laid and who was once denied by a hooker...
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still thinks that Iraq was behind September 11. And he has the first season of "Joey" on DVD.
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and Colonel Dickface is just oh-so-clever. How have you not killed yourself yet? Do it; it would be a good move for you.
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You all know he was born for this part. Why couldn't Nolan see that for himself?
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It's alright. Just breath. Find your pills, and take a couple. It'll be O.K.. It's not fair to the other Talkbackers if we hog it all up with your bitching and whinning, and my superior comebacks.
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I'm out now. I have a life Warner Brothers!!!!!! Boston Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seriously, go slit your wrists. You have nothing to offer anyone. You're going to die alone.
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batman on film has one of the earlier digitally reconstructed versions of the image...
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Kinda small, but still cool. Wish this was more of what they were doing, as far as the look is concerned, but i'll wait for a trailer before making judgements about Nolan's Joker.
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that Tobey Maguire was thought to be a bad choice for Spider-Man before the first film came out. Now, try picturing someone else wearing the webs.
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That is a great job! Still don't care for the look, though. He looks like he'd hang out at S&M clubs or something.
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looks pretty good
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...isn't very exciting is it?
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I'm sure some of you may have seen this but I thought I'd share it anyways.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4095303199635469669&q=PATIENT+J&hl=en
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Psyched to see him in action.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4095303199635469669&q=PATIENT+J&hl=en
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I like the idea of him being dark & twisted, but it almost looks more like a cancerous growth than scarring, looks like it comes out about a half inch. Guess we'll just have to wait for the whole image to clear up sometime tomorrow, I'm out of ideas for further enhancement. Curious to see how close I got.
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that scarring is pretty heavy. Am I watching Batman, or a new Excorcist film?
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INSANE
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It's the new Crow and Jack Skelington...hurry up and print some badges dammn it...the emos need their Joker badges!
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That Patient J movie is stunningly awful in terms of writing and acting, but the makeup is freaking fantastic. It looks dead-on just like the Alex Ross paintings of Joker.
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They're just remaking the version of the Joker from the 1989 movie!!!
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this guy doesn't look like he's capable of joking about anything.
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and he says, "Look what she did. You're cunting, daughter." to Batman. Pretty Fucked Up!
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Being all scarred might make sense but no one wants to look at ugly. And you can't help but think of emo kids and their 'woe is me' crap. I really don't know. If he painted lipstick on Harvey Dent where is his? After all that, I'm not impressed.
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...and not enough like a clown. I realize this might be closer to what a person scarred by toxic waste might look like, but I don't care. He needs to look like the freakin JOKER... if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Oh well, too late to complain now.
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When I was a young boy,
My father took me into gotham city
To see a broadway band.
He said,
"Son when you grow up, you will dress like a bat-man and be the saviour of the the damned"
He said
"Will you defeat them, your demons,the joker and the plans that he has made?"
Because one day I leave you,
A phantom to lead you in the summer,
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this thing is? Cause, if in a day and a half, this one image generates how ever many email addys sent to WB, that is a HUGE picture of the online fan base.. as well as how dedicated it is. Sure you can't count how ever many people did multiples..but I stopped after four..I would say it is pretty impressive if this thing gets cleared in a day. I'd put a lot more stock in the valididty of the internet after that.
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"And he didn't die all at once. It was hours before the screaming stopped. I almost didn't get to sleep that night. That was the last time I'd used crushed glass..."
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Some of the best internet marketing yet, a lot of fun. Especially after a pint of JD, three shots of tequila, something that included goldschlager and jaemeister(???spellng?) and realizing that your own band is just as decent if not better than the one you just paid to see. Happy Saturday night, it's not over yet. :)
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Praise me.
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looks like he caught a batarang with the left side of his face (right side as viewed). His face looks like a road map of pain... I mean I like the idea... but I just wonder how funny he'll be when he looks like a plastic surgery gone wrong candidate. Only time will tell I suppose... we have about a year or so. If this is a real pic... It might be to guage fan reaction over the look. It might even be revised. Either way I'm looking forward to the movie and I hope its as good as the first if not better.
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Who came up with this?
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Hahahahahhahahahhahahahah.......HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!
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the power of viral marketing - making you feel like you received a personal e-mail from the Joker himself. This is a lot of fun, and pretty smart, especially with all the anticipation and false-starts to see his face.
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http://i17.tinypic.com/4u1ivb8.jpg
(remove spaces... blah blah...)
Holy shit it's 2am... night all!
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Starting to look that way. Yeah, it's early but 300 has been the only satisfying comic book movie I've seen this year. I think I remember seeing Ghost Rider... just nothing memorable about that movie at all. I didn't hate Spider-Man 3 as much as a lot of people around here did but there's no way I thought it was better than 2 and maybe even the first one. Unless FF2 REALLY shocks me and ends up being a good fun movie I don't think they can hold a candle to next years films. I'm getting more and more psyched with each new tidbit I see about The Dark Knight. Iron Man looks like it's in good hands. I really want to like the Incredible Hulk. Cast looks good so far but I'm about as apprehensive about this movie as I am about FF2. Not sure if Supermax is supposed to be out next year or not but that also could make for a fun, and thankfully, original take on the superhero genre. Of course I should mention that I kind of figured that the comic movies of 2007 would be better than 2006...
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...it's not even his face.
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I can see Heath giggling and being devilish in that makeup...These new batman films are about trying to make Batmans world as real as possible so this Joker is great. We had our comicish Joker in Burtons first Bat film and now it's time to get real.
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as much as i want to love this movie, because the first one was one of my favorite comic book movies ever... i cant imagine this working out. the joker is a maniac, not the crow.
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In the original Harvy Dent page, Warner Bros. is listed in the address line. In this other page, no WB mention. I have to believe that they would want their name on this, especially if it is the "first" glimpse of the Joker.
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last night and did not get a email. I want a R rated Batman movie....please make this be R, pretty please.
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from Squadron Supreme is better than the Joker. Scary.
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I meant Supreme Power.
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I'm not really seeing anything yet, all I see is some basic outline shit, but its also kinda late and I'm kinda sick. But yeah, I'm digging the shit out of how their pushing this flick.
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My protection software routed the reponse email from this site to a junkmail folder and didn't even play my "you've got mail" alert sound.
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not as good. Anyone with me on this? Maybe Nolan is like a weird bastardization of DePalma and Mamet. That makes sense. I can't stop watching his movies. You Rock, Nolan!
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here's the first pic when the site greets you: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/UltimateThor/jokersite1.jpg and then latter on: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/UltimateThor/jokersite1.jpg Anyone notice with the "scars" on the side of the face like Grant Morrison's most recent Joker comic? Weird, huh? Probably DC / WB editorial mandated that.
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This is actually really cool. I cannot wait to see his full face...it will take forever though, glad to do my part ha.
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Looks like an image for teaser posters, what with the bat symbol and all.
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I still wish Johnny Depp had been cast as the Joker. Or even Crispin Glover. But the person that would've made it really special and crossed over from the Tim Burton Batman films, was Michael Keaton! Just think about it. Beetlejuice was kind of a Joker-esque character.
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May 20, 2007 2:34:01 AM CDT
Paitent J, great indie stuff,. Nolans Joker? Eh.
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
1st. Patient J has been online for awhile. Great stuff. Looks like they took the story straight from The Killing Joke which should be the blue print Nolan follows for the next Batman film if we are getting it with the Joker.
As far as Ledger. I am not sold. I like Ledger as an actor, I just can't see him as "The" Joker. I think the whole Crispin Glover idea was a great one and was also my 1st choice as was many of yours here on the TB's.
I want to be excited about the next installment of Batman from Nolan because the 1st one was top quality and while I am sure The Dark Knight will be as well it still does not mean that I will enjoy the interpretation of how the Joker is portrayed. His even more iconic in some ways then Batman himself. You can't really stray to far from the source of what makes him him is what I mean. It's really rooted down pretty solid and the last thing I want to see is Ledger playing him quietly if you catch my drift.
Looking at that picture does not excite me. It worries me. Are we going to get a Joker who is TOO serious and does not have that maniac quality that makes him over the top? I am not talking about the things he does I am talking about the way he acts. He's truly insane int he comic books. Very over the top. Not subdued. Yes he can be serious too. We saw that in The Killing Joke. And BTW for those reading this rant if you have never read The Killing Joke please go buy it. It is by far the best introduction to the Joker you will ever read. Hands down a true classic that is so good it STILL gets reprinted to this day and is available at most comic book shops.
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or just use these ones: site visit --> http://tinyurl.com/2uec9p Joker face --> http://tinyurl.com/2j5bj4
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You two are like children slap-fighting, just stop.
I'd argue that Joker would listen to some fucked up experimental shit (think of John Lennon and Yoko Ono type stuff).
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for Ibelieveinhaverydent.com for here:
http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx? Domain=IBELIEVEINHARVEYDENT. COM (remove spaces)
And for the one with the fake pic go here. http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx? Domain=IBELIEVEINHARVEYDENTTOO. COM(remove spaces)
The company who has created the pixelation is a well known dead domain forwarder... it's fake...
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what are you talking about? your links are just to defaced Dent posters we've seen before...
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It looks like Nolans going for a real psychopath for the joker,a real crazy would defantly smear red paint on his lips and all on his face,I think Ledgers gonna blow this role out of the water and probally upstage Christian Bale,But Bales still gonna rule this film.
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those sites didn't work for me when i put the spaces back in, but whatever. i doubt some "dead domain forwarder" would have put so much effort into this and been such a good coder to avoid saving and stuff... making the game and making it remove a pixel at a time would surely take a load of work. also, i heard that one was registered BEFORE the first, regular dent one. which would mean its not just someone who saw the opportunity and went with it... they had to have known about the site before its existence....
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the first site was registered on may 11th, the pixelation is registerd on may 14th, i believe that was right after the Dent site went up.
and FYI the pixelation game is easy, it's called an interactive flash dissolve, and all you have to do is give it a command to remove a specific piece of info... not that hard. couple hours worth of programming, for about an estimated 2.7 million email addresses...
Warner owns the domain for the dent site, the pixelation site is registered to a company in scottsdale arizona. which is a KNOWN dead domain forwarding company.
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May 20, 2007 3:06:47 AM CDT
I don't care if it's fake or not...
by film_fanatic_in_the_original_black_and_w
It's pretty damned cool.
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THe guy's a great actor, and he's had bad luck with the badly performing run of Paycheck, The Core, The Wicker Man etc.... Duds all. Here's to him finally getting recognition for being, er, good.
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Nolan must be so tired of listening to those whiners if he bothers cheking these sites. Nolan, unlike Raimi, made an exellent change in a villains appearance in his first movie. Scarecrow was cool, scary& and realistic, and totally worked in the gritty setting of the film. Dafoe was great but his goblin-suit was just ridiculous. And
his son's suit is worse. Nolan nailed it first time, mostly, and he is nailing it again. Hopefully having gained the trust of the suits they wont interfere too much and this movie will be a f'n piece of art, like the Prestige. Just give Bowie another role ok? -
No, I just made that up...but it would be cool.
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it's quiet.....too quiet....
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I put the count at around 34080 total unique codes to uncover the whole picture.
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Where the hell did ArasinGM get 2.7 million email addresses?
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May 20, 2007 3:48:28 AM CDT
There's already an official Joker pic on Batman-On-Film
by xxmr_bojanglesxx
you retards. go look! not the sharpest picture, but great enouggh for me.
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I have a sinking feeling that "the Ledge" is going to be channeling Val Kilmer to get a handle on his "really creepy guy" Joker. He'll trip around like Jim Morrison and shuffle accents like The Saint. Oh please God, let me be wrong just this once.
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http://tinypic.com/4u1ivb.jpg
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wow, looks pretty fucked up (in a fucked up way)! http://www.avi-film.com/joker13.jpg
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link ain't workin. and of course it looks like Ledger
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Movie is not out yet! Let's just reserve judgemnet till then. I will not post again, in a Batman forum, untill that day.
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So says Colonel DICKFACE! Sorry....couldn't resist. I love you, Colonel Dickface.
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AND HIRE THEM! Great way to scam 4 million e-mail addreses btw
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if they decide to go the gay Prince route, that could totally be averted with a badass tune like this. Imagine Joker creeping up behind you in a lonely-ass, dark apartment with a song like that. It's a Clockwork Orange sample anyway... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVfR2YKCt0M
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That is awesome. I'm probably gonna have nightmares about the mangled mouth of the Joker. I can't wait for this movie.
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to graffito the website. Hmmmmm, seems kinda lazy. Cool idea though.
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I can see why you'd do it: forces the Joker to have a smile even when the actor isn't smiling ... but at the same time, it looks like it might be too distracting. I'll need to see it in a trailer before I can judge properly.
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I bet when the last pixel is revealed, the Joker is gonna say "boo!" and laugh insanely... that would elevate the whole thing from cool to mind-blowing
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http://tinypic.com/4u1ivb8.jpg
And I'm the best looking man alive. -
Beginning CPR...
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pic is pretty clear
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that's not bad at all, how did you do it? except for the red spots on his forehead, I'd say that's exactly what we're gonna see in a few hours. here's the current status without photoshopping: http://www.avi-film.com/joker15.jpg
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from an older post from this bp1947 guy. I just remembered it because I thought it was good. I figured I'd keep it alive for other fans because it was so well done. I am, in actuality, very computer illerate...but I am amazingly handsome, so it evens out.
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I heard the Joker gets the gash on his face when he's trying to escape on a zipline and Bats cuts said line with a bat-a-rang; it then whips back and catches him across the face.
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Maybe it'll work.
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http://i17.tinypic.com/4u1ivb8%20.jpg
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that was a weird post and refresh incident. Like I posted the image straight to the main page :)
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would have been Mario Lopez. That combination of Latino Jheri-curl and pleated acid-washed jeans would be lethal on the big screen.
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looks like he belongs in a NIN film clip. not saying it's bad, but it kind of doesn't work with that reveal from harvey dent.
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bad form mate! LOL...You spoilt everyone's fun...i was curious to see how it was gonna take for the pic to come up...i've got a baby with a lollipop here, you wanna take it from him too...keke
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if it wasn't you guys, some other site would have posted the pic up...
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in this movie: "Oi! G'Day Bats! You caught me in the middle of worky, you did! Jumbuck scally-wag! Kangaroo!"
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How'd you like to wake up in the middle of the night to see that face hovering over you? He does give off a whole Buffalo Bill/Pennywise feeling that's very unsettling. Very cool.
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I'd expect nothing less from a Halo fan.
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the red spots on his forehead give it away, because they're exactly where the missing pixels were a few hours ago... it's a photoshop-polished-up version
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...and way better than the fake one. Scary and sick. That's what we need after the Nicholson prankster.
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notbs ftw!
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Different enough, that (hopefully) comparisons to Nicholson will be kept to a minimum. I loved Jack's Joker. I have a feeling I'll love this one as well. Ledger's Joker doesn't look like he'll be a big Prince fan though.
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Only reason I bring it up is because of the email titled "tragicpast" after logging onto the dent site. I'm personally pulling for this movie to be as vague as possible about where the Joker came from.
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No, this Joker looks more along the lines of a Cannibal Corpse fan who also enjoys watching "Faces of Death" movies; I was hoping for a Joker who looked like he liked listening to Interpol but acted as if he watched "American Psycho" and "Fear and Loathing".
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is his skin that white? Or does he just paint his skin, like a buttfuck.
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Just the way the picture's cropped and the red specks just underneath it.
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They need to ressurect Jack Palance to reprise his role of Carl Grissom. And I love the idea of having Nicholson play a cameo, wether it be of relation or first victim. A great way of passing the torch.
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they didn't use actual pixels for this, but 3x3 pixels :-D
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there's another image appearing through the photo of the Joker... looks like a man... is it Aaron Eckhart?? and what does it say there at the bottom? "I believe in something-something Dent"... cool!
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TDK has now been officially ruined by this mystery-blasting pic. You'd think they would've held off longer and shown the new batsuit instead.
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FUCKED UP! I do mean Pogo the clown fucked up. A psycho that dresses up as a clown. I think (i hope) this joker is going to be one messed up individual, so disturbed even that it ceases to be funny and he'll be (guess what) scary.
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I have full faith in Nolan and think that Ledger is an interestng choice..still would have liked Depp in the role but whatever.. Is it me or does the pic remind you of a American Staff Bull Terrior?? Still, looks cool as hell!!
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A clearer version of this picture with hair and all.
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This is fucking awful.
It doesn't look like the Joker. It looks like Heath Ledger's morning after photo after attending a showing of the Rocky Horror Picture Show on the tail end of a coke binge.
That is not the joker. That is Tranny Ledger.
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The Joker and his gang all wear masks when they rob a bank or somthing because it serves two purposes. 1 to hide their identity and 2 to strike fear into their victims, all a form of intimidation I guess. But that crazy bastard Joker looks like that underneath as well....I Like it my friends, fucking like it.
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ludmir88 says he doesn't look menacing: yeah, if he met him a dark alley 1.00 am he would take him for a beer! Maybe some Clearasil would clear his face up a little though....this movie is already 3000% better than Spidey 3 and its still a year away....
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Ive heard that when they attempt to rob the bank in the scenes we have all seen being shot in Chicago, the bank manager isnt playing ball, that is until The Joker takes his mask off to the crys and gasps of the people on the floor. Somthing tells me the manager sings like a little bird after that.
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Even in the declining sales of comics these days these are still iconic characters that kids will want to flock to see and if this is more of a true-to-life Hannibal-esque tragic, yet truly psychotic Joker like that portrayed in the more graphic of the graphic novels what's this gonna be like for tykes on the big screen? This ain't no Saturday cartoon - even though Mark Hammil's Joker did get a little out there back in the day. Parents are still gonna take their six and seven year olds to see this movie and if its moved into the more adult realm of Frank Miller and less even of Tim Burton kids'll have a tough time getting it and others getting some tweaked nightmares afterwards. I look forward to this as a mature adult now with years of comics, cartoons and movies and love the evolution directors have taken this particular character, but Bob Kane might even have a tough time with this one.
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...its Robert fucking Smith from the Cure =p
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You go hype this sh*t up like Snakes on a Plane and I'll sh*t down your neck, you twat. Warner Bros doesn't need to listen to fanboys. How cool was the Tumbler pic, then how pathetic did it turn out on film.
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Captures the essence of the character. It is a dark and sinister interpretation...Great job Nolan!
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She's looking pretty rough.
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no accounting for taste i suppose
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anyone feels like photoshopping some green hair on there? I think with the hair it'll rock.
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(The Jim Carrey one, not the Cher one)
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Jesus. What a gigantic turd. And I'll bet the freak's "realism! I must have realism in my comic book movie!" is to blame for this travesty.
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Continuing on from Batman and Robin would've worked. Now I'll have to sit thru the same retread that BB offered. God, that movie sux. I just want new adventures, not a remake. That's all BB was - a remake of Batman '89. It was boring. Nothing new. No fun and fantasy. Nolan hasn't a clue. Put Batman in lycra like Spidey and Supes. Bring back the BF batmobile. I should know, because I grew up with the original saga and they didn't seem to need to re-begin the Bond franchise every time they fucked-up a couple. Nolan is a pussy. All he's really doing to regurgiating what we all know. Just bring back Robin, the nipples and simply retcon (or re-edit) Batman and Robin minus all the one-liners. I HATED BATMAN BEGINS! IT WASN'T FUN!
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and not in a good way. It's not clever, it's not scary, it just ugly and distracting.
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I thought they'd said the Joker was going to be "old school" in this movie? To me that does not equal old-school! I hope this is fake. I didn't like Batman Begins, Liam Neeson can't act for peanuts, and he ruined the role of Raz just as he ruined Qui-Gonn "Bloody" Jinn. Nolan is over-rated, Bale is over-rated. It wasn't as good as a Frank Miller version of Batman would have been. That's the version they should make and until they do so (let's face it you'd think it would be more likely, with the success of Sin City and 300)the rest of the films they churn out are just marking time in my opinion. God, why do they keep mucking things up so badly??
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Grow a brain! Fantasy = fantastic, not cartoonish. Get it? No need to be afraid of a bit of colour.
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Bring it on. But whatever the take, I would like to see the Joker make a mental and physical transformation,...from grunge to the stylish, homicidal showman we know (as seen in "The Killing Joke",...though without Batman laughing at the end, just to serve the story at the sacrifice of character). Open a can of whip-ass, Batman.
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..I mean, doing Raz-Ahl Guhl or however it's spelt as the main villain in the first movie to the detriment of the more interesting Scarecrow, and all that crap with the crime-boss was just boring, to me the first movie suffered in the same way as Spiderman 3 funnily enough - too many baddies spoil the broth. Especially when one is played by Liam "I hate him" Neeson, and the non-threatening English actor who played the Crime Boss, and Scarecrow - Christ! he's only in the movie for about a total of 2 minutes, the rest is Bale boring the tits off us all with his "I'm conflicted" stuff. It just wasn't entertaining, it wasn't true to the comics and it wasn't well executed. There are a couple of stand out images but that's it. My brother rates it and to this day I have no idea why.
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Looking at the website, the only red I see are from pixels
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I personally like Nolan's take on realism. I remember going to the movies to see the original Batman in 89. It was a fun experience. But I REALLY like where they are taking it now. By going back to the Origin Comics, I'm SURE he meant that the Joker is going to be WAY darker and play more on the insanity of the character. The look? I like it. I was tryin myself to get the correct SWF file last night to pull the image out of it, but it looks like someone beat me to the chase. This definately shows that Ledger is going to play the insanity of the character.
I'm really not sure why everyone really hated Batman Begins. Other than his cheesy ass batman voice, there wasn't much NOT to like. It put a new spin on the series. I enjoyed the "what if" realism that was put on to the series. If I wanted the cheesyness, I would go back and watch Batman and Robin for the god aweful horror that it was. -
ahem, come on messi you can do better than that, colonel activity's ocker attempt was better! how about... Blimey ding-batman, now ya really making me spit the dummy, fair dinkum i'm gonna bung that sheila on the barbie if ya don't piss off to whoopwhoop...alrite i can't do ocker either :-p
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I mean, so what if Wayne spares the farmer's life and to do so kills everyone in the monastery--including the farmer? Oh wait, he saved the only other white guy, forgot about that.
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should be shot. That's EVERYONE who thought it was a good idea - all fans included. It was always a bad idea, dreamed up by people who had no imagination cos they thought it would be 'dark' and 'realistic'. Who cares if it's totally not right for the character, right? Who cares if all it will do is distract from the performance? Seriously. For the record, I LOVED Batman Begins and had high hopes for this, but now I'm just worried that all I'll be looking at in the movie is Ledger's stupid dumb smeared lipstick chelsea smile. Terrible.
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What Nolan has done with the characters is closer to the spirit of what the characters are the the flagship comic book. In Begins The Batman hmiself becomes a thing of fear and horror, to he criminals and the cops through the hallucinations from the gas. ( I bet we will see this gas modified by The Batman for THe Dark Knight). This horror motif continues with The Joker. The pic we got is (for a pg) horrifying. It removes in one fair swoop the bad memeories of the 60's and the Burton effort. Nolan is closer to the nasty horrifying aspect of what The Joker really is with this single photo shot.
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The piercing eyes and the smile make the Joker creepy. The laugh and his actions. Why the bloody unsubtle scars? They're not creepy, it's revolting. Zsasz is more interesting than this pic. (btw, no kiddies are gonna buy a figurine of this Joker, Nolan. No one wants to walk by a poster advertising TDK with this image either. Don't rape my childhood with this garbage. You wanna go overboard with the pyschotic-thriller angle, don't bring your agenda into Batman. You don't need to make a Batman film this un-photogenic.
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The Joker isn't some goth freak who likes listening to death metal and watching gore movies. His tastes are actually quite refined. Smart suits, classical music (think Alex from Clockwork Orange) and SMART MAKE-UP, ie. lipstick that STAYS on the lips! Ugh, I just can't get over how hideous this thing is.
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Alan Moore and Brian Bolland's "The Killing Joke" His face was fine as was in the comics...All the needed to add was some yellowy teeth when he's being scary and then remove it (yeah, it's a continuity error from one point of view - terrifying surrealism from another) when he's being charming...Check out Batman Dark Knight Returns, he looks completely straight faced at the start then when he starts doing his "thang" his face assumes all of these horrific exaggerated evil qualities. Now that would be sweet to see on film. Not this half-assed attempt.
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The dialogue is not atrocious - it's better than any other comic book movie that's ever been made that's for sure. Honestly it really pisses me off when people rag on Batman Begins just because they have no taste whilst simultaneously singing the praises of immature, overbaked crap like Sin City. Yeah, one might think Sin City was better than BB - if they were 13 years old.
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Bet you all do too; why are they so blind to stinking ideas?The so often mistake butchery of subject matter for "exciting innovation" too. Let's hope it is exciting innovation and turns out to be a classic re-interpretation of the character and not just the same old rubbish with arse make-up to further spoil the soup. Man, I get worked up about this stuff. Think my blood sugar levels are low...Come on Nolan, wake up you dozy gimp!
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The two don't even deserve comparison. For one thing Sin City was the closest interpretation of a comic book ever as evidenced by frame-by-frame comparisons to the books. It was innovative in it's use of effects. It was humorous, tongue-in-cheek and brilliant. Batman Begins was ill-concieved, ill-structured, couldn't decide who the main characters should be, dull, pretentious, badly acted, and unsatisfying. I think most over 13 year olds would agree with this assessment and under 13 year olds too, you know under 13 year olds have taste to and Batman should be for them aswell.
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LOL...i'm an aussie too mate, yeah no one friggen talks like that...well most aussies don't talk like that, i'm just taking the piss with the sterotype...ok that and i'm bored ;-p
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It's not that profound, I mean it's not the Bhagavad Gita we're watching - it's Batman. And he had loads more profound things to say in Miller's work. Year one for instance, where he crashes the corrupt society party and extinguishes the lights and the fire and that; great image that speaks a thousand words. And Dark Knight, "This will be a good death, good enough" and all that. Much more artistic, I think Neeson comes across as insincere. You can see through the facade of "wisdom" he puts up when he plays these "wise" characters, like Qui Gonn, didn't carry half the gravitas that should have been associated with the role.
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what are you muppets doing!? i wasn't going to even write on the tb cause i just assumed there woulbe a consensus on begins being fantastic and this joker being pretty awesome. we have yet to see him in action, or even a anything other than the low-light tight close up, so give it a chance. my god, how can you complain about begins? and who ever that was that thought they should have sticked with 'fun' batman, should not be allowed anywhere near a cinema or dvd store. people like you, my retarded monkey fuck, are the reason why fantastic 4 was 'fun'.
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You're a prick, everyone saw it but if you think Hollywood should only make movies for your age group you sadly don't understand the industry you reactionary piece of shit. I said Batman should be for them too, ie they should enjoy it, we should enjoy it, everyone should enjoy it, not be subjected to the boring mess of a plot that Nolan thrust upon us, and the fighting! What was that about? They spent ages researching and practising this amazing martial arts system and in the edit of the fights you can't see jack-shit of it. Useless. Rather like yourself messi....Twat
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I'm relly enjoying this teaser stuff, really cool eh? I just wish that more movies would follow this suit.
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I'm in no way in favour of bringing back the old Batman films - they were even worse, what I'm saying is the can do "Gritty, real and dark" but they can still not fuck it up in the process.
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Why mess with the design when you have the most iconic villain ever? Come on, EVERYONE knows what the Joker looks like and that ain't it. Too much realism will just wind up looking silly, cause there ain't nobody real who swings around in a bat suit.
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if they make films that everyone enjoys, then it'll be forgettable bubblegum. they should try and tailor a film to its audience, so that even if you don't like nolan's batman, something else will be made that caters more for you precise taste, even if it is at the expense of others' enjoyment.
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Indeed they should, but looking at Batman Begins and the indications we're getting of Dark Knight, who exactly are they trying to aim this at? I mean it's not at the hard-core fan boy who will as has been done here rebel against the changes from source material? It's not the kids, as it's obviously too scary? It's not the mature grown ups is it? It's the Goths in't it? that's who it must be....
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Sucked you cunt sucker.
I'm not a major fanboy....You grow the fuck up you fucking gaylord.
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Stop blocking the streets you little girls the actual fans have to get through. Nolan has made joker sinister and scary. He might be playing up the bat shit crazy angle/ evil murderous fuck. Although probably not like the cartoon or the 89 movie. He is going to make the Joker horrifying to look at. Good. I mean we could have gotten these: http://www.bigredhair.com/portfolio/illustration/joker.sm http://www.myconfinedspace.com/watermark.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2006/11/joker-4-realz.jpg Which although interesting for a over the top Batman film do not fit in the Nolan "realistic, gritty, horror" Batman interpretation. Consider me excited and I want to see more! Although I did always kind of hope for this...http://shopping.animazing.com/cart/images/4277.gif
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But he deserved it...and started it I might add.
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May 20, 2007 9:08:27 AM CDT
Anyone who uses the word 'gay' as an insult...
by the artist fka vesuvio
on the internet is automatically an imature, virgin-for-life, insignificant and pathetic piece of shit. Pro or anti-Begins, it doesn't matter.
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There's too much confusion I can't get no relief
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...must be a member of Stonewall...non?Gay used as an insult doesn't necessarily equate to homosexual. I'd like to point out that some of my best friends are Gay..but then, come to think of it, so are some of my arch Nemeses....
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http://static.flickr.com/93/242074309_240f3ad03b_o.png
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"First time someone touched a nerve that wasn't half way up my own ass!";-)
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I hate to wonder how Two Face will tirn out.
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Should have scars...Yes...They'd probably get him right...There's more room for maneouvre with his look.
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In all the hubbub about the image, we've missed that fact that this Joker may be a raving psycho, but he's obviously pretty skilled in HTML code and webmail. Interesting.
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He should give up Crime and get a job in I.T. He'd probably make more cash at the end of the day and could get his face repaired. Plus his look would be a unique selling point....hmmm
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The scars on Joker's face was pretty the thing I HATED most about Tim Burton's original movie Joker. It was the stupidest tweak of a villian ever!!! It looked horrible and took so much away from Jack N.'s performance. I'm a big fan of Begins, but this just totally killed my enthusiasm for this sequel. Ugh... it looks fucking awful... how hard is it to the Joker Hollywoodpeople? It's a fucking man with fucking clown makeup on.... go to the fucking circus and STOP RUINING CLASSIC SHIT!!!! This is why DC's movie don't gross enough to scrub Marvel's balls.
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I think there's a story behind this somewhere. Hrm...
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looks crap, sorry but thats no joker
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That's his joker ... as he wrote him in his Batman comics (self inflicted scar across the mouth with a knife).
Very creepy looking. For people who want a 1:1 comic variation: It would NOT work. He's drawn in the comic with overexagerated features (tons of teeth that are SUPER long, a longer than human chin, etc). On a regular dude, that smile would look silly (Nicholson for example). -
I trust Nolan to make a good film. Yeah, the make-up is different from what we're used to. So what! Raping my childhood? Ridiculous. Dear lord people.
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Seriously, stop and look at it! There's no way that's the real deal. It's entirely blurred and photoshopped. There are no details or textures. It's shrouded in darkness. And he's not smiling nor are his eyes sinister. As if this is a promotional pic!!!! Get with it! It's too soon for this kind of image! It looks like a soulless drug addict, not a demon jokester! IT'S FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE!!!
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You want the comics, go read them. You want to masturbate over Year One and The Dark Knight Returns, be my guest. Remember that this is Nolan's vision. He cast Ledger for a reason. He's given The Joker this look for a reason. He's influenced by the comics but he isn't making a comic, he's making the movie he wants to make. Now...WHY AREN'T YOU LAUGHING????
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there is some serious pain/brain behind all that latex. other than that, if they're still going for the 'if this was real life' vibe then have done a nice, fucked up job. shit man if my mouth looked like that i would probably become a smile-obsessed psychopath as well.
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... you ave no taste. BB was magnificent, sure it had it's weaknesses, but it was very bold.
Heath Ledger is a wonderful actor and he is a great choice. I just hope it will be really-really dark. Let the Joker be arrogant and not care about that flying bat, let Batman fail completely and let the Joker be out of his league. Then we will have what everyone is waiting for: Badass-Grunge vs. Iron-will-Darkness! I like Nolan, he may be a bit of a sissy, but Bale (remember The Machinist) is not. They'll carry the film. -
If you think otherwise, you are a moron. Please don't watch this film when it comes out, because you don't deserve it.
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I agree 100%. FAKE,FAKE,FAKE! But you gotta admit, when the shit hits the fat, this is gonna rock. The guy who did all this is gonna be the coolest/most hated guy of all time.
For anyone wondering what we are talking about. Look at the side of the mouth on the right. Crappy smudge marks from the white they used to blend the face. Then on the right hand side of the head, its blurry and uneven. The face has messy parts and is made dark on the side to hide any details that would have been more difficult to photoshop. It seems like they didnt care about the details because this thing was gonna be covered by pixels for awhile. They just got thousands of email addressed through this. -
Heath as the Joker. I think it will be great. Honestly, I still hope for a Two Face in the third movie. Great villian.
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This is different, this isn't a purple suit wearing flower lapel sporting cartoon Joker. Good call by Chaka!, this is very Morrison inspired.
It looks realistic and gritty, as Batman should be. The Nolan version is the deepest, most accurate, richest translation of comic to big screen ever. Watching "Begins" feels like reading a Batman comic.
CUT ALL THIS "RAPING MY CHILDHOOD" BULLSHIT!!! Flames on Optimus is raping, nipples on the batsuit was raping, Peter Parker as a jazz musician was raping.
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The original TDK logo on the warnerbros site linked to the Harvey Dent teaser pic, and yet that pic has no further link to the trashed joker-dent pic. An elaborate hoax. Where did this ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com link originate? It's not under the same WB domain.
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I'm not American - I think masturbating over a Batman comic would be slightly odd. I think voicing an opinion on Nolan's vision is justified. It's not his money he's using after all, it's the studios. They wants Batman - it's his job to deliver Batman. End of. I am laughing.
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Yes, yes, yes. I think everyone will slowly realize this today. Every single picture I have seen has looked the same.
I have been working with photoshop for a long time, and this is a decent picture that was made very sloppy.
This is the picture I keep seeing linked, as 'finished'.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8831/jokerslash1ug7.jpg
When I saw this, I thought the people who extracted it, did the bad photoshop mess ups. But now I can see on the 'official site' that it is being revealed on, the same crap is on the real pic.
Notice the mouth first of all. The person who made this, used a layer of red for the mouth, and masked around it to make it look nice. Except he did a crap job between the lips. You can clearly see that he did not take time to match up the lines.
Also, look at the sides of the head, it is very blurred and eneven like he used a light eraser to cut off the hair and rest of the head.
Then look at the smudge marks on the right and left side of the mouth. They are clearly from the white layer he used to blend the face with.
Recoloring a face in Photoshop is very easy. Messing with the hair, and perfecting the lighting is a bit tougher. He went the easy route and just bypassed all of that to get everyone excited. He chopped off the hair and made it choppier to give it a 'crazy' feel, but also hide all the harder details.
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read the whole thread, people. the entire pic has not been uncovered yet, people are photoshopping in the missing pixels to make the available image clearer.
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I'm not entirely sure what I mean but its good to have a clever subject it seems... Wait till you see this Joker moving, talking, laughing, shoooting by-standers for no good reason...we can but hope for the last one.
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It better be.... if that's real, Nolan needs a new line of work.
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Than ANYTHING in that greasy whale turd, Spider-man 3. Looks awesome! Until this baby opens, I say go see Pirates 3 like crazy next week. Take back the opening weekend record from the wallcrawling waltzing whiney whale turd!
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First things first, in regards to batman begins- if you truly did want to make it look like that movie took place in the real world, I got a little news for ya, prissy brit boy (I can sense your elitism in your casting), IN THE REAL WORLD SHADOWS AREN'T BROWN! What's what, you used the color scheme for cinematic effect? You intended to bend the rules of reality to enhance your storytelling? So you do understand that being absolutely literal about everything is unnecessary. Okay, then why did you spend hours explaining to us how he bought his bat ears? We'll accept it as it is. Stop ruining the mystery- that's part of the fun. exhaggerate. We're fine with it. Nobody's gonna believe that Batman could possibly happen in the first place. Stop watering down this brilliant fantasy. Give us a joker who is so fucked up, he's always smiling. Don't give us some goth kid with wax wounds around his lips. A good actor with the right look (hence - NOT LEDGER) could pull off the performance of a mad genius with a sick sense of humor. Whatever. Fuck off. I'm not gonna watch your batman movie. You pushed me off that cliff with this picture. It pains me to say that I'm not gonna see a batman movie. Christ I saw Batman and Robin in the theater. However lame the characters were portrayed in that movie, their comic book origin's essence was still there. Once you show me a picture of the joker... not smiling... with a bad makeup job... (the joker takes care of his image very well- its one of the many facets of the character that you apparently will never understand) well - I'm out.
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Will have to see this in action, but otherwise I'm pretty underwhelmed.
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Don't believe this elaborate hoax! A Joker pic of this magnitude would not be released so soon. Plus there are no official links from the WB search engine to this particular flash site.
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why don't you FAKE-shouters just wait until it's completely revealed (or, how about actually CONTRIBUTING by revealing a few pixels yourself), then you'll see that it won't just end with the final image, but I'd bet my ass there'll be more! either the photo will come to life and scare the shit out of all of us, or something else... but we need to finish it!
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yeah, and just because DVD easter eggs aren't clearly linked in the DVD menu, they're fake?? how boring would it be if there was an official link on the WB site, saying "click here to reveal the face of the Joker"
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Ledger said it was all about the eyes not the laugh in TDK but i can't help but think Panda bear when i see this. Hope it comes across better on film.
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STOP! You're giving your email address away to Internet fraudsters!
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at least you don't have to, simply use http://www.10minutemail.com and you can reveal as many pixels as you want
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Messi's missed his medication time again this afternoon. Come on Messi, take the pill.
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As I said, some of the parts look like they could be 'translator' messups. However, the part I can already see through he pixels on the site, is the messed up right side of the mouth and head.
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Ledger is bland and the pic is a fake.
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Oh good lord - will we NEVER see a good Joker on film? Why must every director try to leave his mark on the best fictional character in comics?
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Box office returns have got balls all to do with how good a film actually is, it's all about the concept, and often people will see a shit movie twice just to make sure they weren't dreaming the first time round, as I did with the Phantom Menace. The reason this film has any anticipation is because it's a major studio and it's "Batman", nothing else.
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I POSTED THAT CLER IMAGE AT CHUD MBs! THEIFS! I CALL THEIFS!
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Demented, creepy as hell and completely different from the awful Nicholson Joker.
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This is a suck-ass version of the Joker. It's just the Nicholson non-Joker redone to look more creepy. It sucks. Why can't WB and DC stick to the fucking source material, ever?
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no photoshopping, only replaced the pixels that belong to the Harvey Dent picture with plack pixels, so the Joker pic becomes more clearly visible: http://www.avi-film.com/joker20.jpg
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keep revealing pixels, guys! it'll be worth it!
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Uh, I think the joker site is fake for a simple reason. If you go to the harvey dent site, it is ibelieveinharveydent.warnerbros.com. The joker site is just ibelieveinharverydenttoo.com If warner bros put that on the first site, the "hacked" site would still have it too. take it from an novice web designer
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The Joker I know wouldn't make his first appearance in this way. He seems to be playing games here, but then it reveals a sombre, uninteresting drug addict. Doesn't that ring false?
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http://i8.tinypic.com/5zmlzip.jpg
The one posted by Quint is from my post late last night (about 12:45 am, remove spaces). Here's the latest version as of 10am this morning.
fyi... RedClover9 and Darrenspool, you guys are idiots. "There are blurred places, it must be fake" The image I posted is based on an incomplete image on the site with the pixels from the Dent poster removed. That leaves gaps in the image, how do you fill gaps in an image??? BLUR!!!! Anyone that has ever used photoshop would know this in a second, so don't give me the "I've been using photoshop for a long time" bit. Jackasses -
Just because this particular picture of the Joker isn't exactly like the comics people think the whole movie is ruined. The Batsuit isn't the same as the comics either people. Give Nolan and Ledger a chance, though I know you'll all be seeing the movie anyways.
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What's your fucking problem prick baws? I was stating my personal opinion on the movie - if you've got a problem with it go and suck your Grandad's nutsack. Some people thought Begins was great - maybe it was to them, but at the end of the day I think it's a flawed movie which ripped off it's best ideas from source material that was superior to the product they put out. This movie is anticipated also because people are wanting the Joker - he's as loved if not more so than Batman himself. And no, most people I know will not tell me I'm full of shit, most people tell me I'm spot-on. So away and stick your dick in a blender whydon'tcha?
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Come on guys, keep sending your email! Remember, it doesn't work for Hotmail or Yahoo, only Gmail and "10 Minute Mail".
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Where's the Joker's hair at?
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BATMAN BEGINS was ok, but it's not a movie I want in my 500+ DVD collection... because it's no fun to watch, it's trying too hard to be realistic, and the microwave heating water in pipes but not the water in the human bodies is really stupid... it doesn't have an interesting villain, and I never felt anything more than the urge to smirk and some very mild excitement when watching it... it doesn't suck hard, but doesn't rock hard either... which is also the main difference to SPIDER-MAN 3, which sucks hard at times, but then again also rocks incredibly hard the rest of the time
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Where did that right smudge mark off the side of the mouth come from? Its on the picture being revealed on the site, so you cant take credit for that one.
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There should be a copyright on an image of this magnitude either way. And there isn't. I mean, come on. This shit has no certification.
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it's kinda puffy/curly, but you can only see it by bumping the brightness and contrast way, way up.
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I already told you it was fake, the site is nothing more than a mass email collection scam by a dead domain fowarding company in scottsdale arizona. THe registration info for the original dent site is for warner brothers, so is the admin contact, anyone who knows how to use a WHOIS look up could tell you that. The second is registered to a company called DomainsbyProxy, Inc. They are known email collectors. An elaborate hoax is not beyond spam kings. And AICN is historically easily duped into thinking something's official. They need to have better source checkers on this site, Especially if it is web based.
And of course it's photoshopped. All publicity shots, fake or real are photshopped a bit. Some more extensively than others.
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Doesn't have any hype because it's further off than this sequel.
Why would they waste money hyping it yet spaz? Trust me the machine will kick into full gear closer to release, and everyone will go see that too.
Begins WAS well recieved - I never said it wasn't. I said I didn't like it. That's what I said. I don't know why I'm bothering my arse replying to you, you're clearly incapable of intelligent conversation. -
FAKEASS SCUM FRAUDSTERS! I am the master of logic. You can't defeat me!!! I know you're reading this, you bastards!
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You seriously have a hardon for the whole Bale/Nolan thing don't you? You assume because they guy didn't like Begins he has no taste? Twat. His review was spot-on.
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You seriously have a hard on for the whole Bale/Nolan thing don't you? You assume because the guy didn't like Begins he has no taste? Twat. His review was spot-on.
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my DVD collection is full of entertaining movies, which is why BB isn't in it
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...and gave the swines my e-mail address. Twat it!! AICN should take down the scam link ASAP, and then grovel for forgiveness.
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I think this Joker looks pretty good. At first I jumped on the "it's shit!" bandwagon, but now that I think about it, it makes sense.
Sure, I will always love the Nicholson Joker I grew up with, the same way I will love the cartoon and comic book Joker, but that is not what he is going for.
This should be pretty cool, how the rip in his face deforms the signature smile.
To all of the fan boys that are saying how bad it is: if it will suck so much because you personally couldn't design the make-up, don't watch it, let alone waste all of your time talking about it on a talk back page. If it is so bad, I am sure you have better things to do with your time, like sticking your wiener in a meat grinder. -
Is there any proof it is fake, besides the fact that it doesn't have the WB logo all over it?
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yes, you're right, the Joker we know wouldn't make his first appearance like this... but Nolan will definitely "realistic-ize" the Joker like he tried to do with everything else in BB... his Joker is gonna be a fucked up, mean criminal, and that's exactly the face we're seeing right now
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Are you fucking kidding me?
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Those that loved Burton's vision already have your films.Those that are comic purists already have your beloved (non-sarcasm) Batman : The Animated Series.Christoper Nolan's got his take on the material, just like any other comic writer/artist who gets there hands on the Batman series, and I'm loving every minute of it. We don't want another "Superman Returns", do we? (i.e. no new vision, just recycling the past = boring).
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I would laugh my ass off if Dr. Cliff Huxtable was behind this and when the final pixel is gone the picture with him holding the Jokers Cards pop up. He moves the cards away from his face and it is him with a homemade Jokers face on. Maybe he will have a mustache under his paint too.
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Why the fuck isn't Aaron eckhart playing the joker?
http://tinyurl.com/yo47f9
I pray that they are fucking with us like they were with the last movie in the case where we thought liam neeson was playing ducard, and he turned out to be ra's al ghul all along. Wouldn't that be fantastic? Otherwise, fuck you christopher nolan.
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If you don't like the movie, don't watch it, don't talk about. Get a life you loser. It is pathetic that you have nothing better to do then complain about one little thing.
And, what do you want this movie to be? A carbon copy of Burton's? Face it, no movie will ever be exactly like what the original was, and losers like you need to accept that. Get a date, loser. -
The 1989 Batman had a scarred Joker. This is just a more extreme version of that.
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keep the joker alive at the end of the film!
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Of Dr. Cliff Huxtable holding the cards something strange sticks out. Look closely at his hair that is peering out over the top of the cards he is holding. Do you see it? Think about it for a second. I swear I think Dr. Cliff Huxtable is really David Hasselhoff!!! Look at the hair its him I just know it! He was drunk one night while chewing on a tasty burger when he came up with this crazy shit. What a mad man indeed.
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Seriously Quint, Harry et al, please do some research for once and figure out if this site is truly fake or not. Otherwise you are encouraging millions of your readers to give their email addresses to an unknown entity, which is highly uncool and generally pretty shitty. It's funny how you people feel the need to protect your readers from spoilers of the Lost Finale, but you don't feel obligated to protect them from internet scams. Way to go, guys.
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Look at all the fan films, the purple suit, the bright green hair. If that joker showed up, it would rob this Batman series of what it did right in the first one. Comic book Joker on film belongs in Dick Tracy II.
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Man this is getting annoying.
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What proof says it is fake?
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I said it last night after checking the domain names for both sites.
http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/32723#comment_1518370
check that link for me sayign that.
If you want to prove it to yourself. Find someone who does a WHOIS lookup for domain names, and find the registration info.
for the site Ibelieveinharveydent.com it was registered on may 11th, and is registered to Warner Bros. The second site which iss the fake pic Ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com is registered to DomainsByProxy, INC. a known email spam database dead domain forwarding company. The people who actually participated in this just got themselves included in a spam database.
2.7 million people duped into giving out email addresses(this is accounting for those who may have used alternate or 10 minute mail addresses) AICN is very readily duped by these kinds of elaborate scams. They need better fact checkers on the site for the millions of pounds of crap they receive. And as for everyone out there who says "i've worked with photoshop for years, this is fake" etc. I say this: of course it's photoshopped, almost all publicity shots are to some extent. it's not like the program is completely unknown except to a few elite people with access to it.
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Promoting a movie way in advance? Hey Quint, ain't that a bit suspect?
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check out this little animation I made (sorry about the jump in the middle, but I needed some sleep last night) http://www.avi-film.com/joker.reveal01.mov
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No proof. Just many, many hints. And this is coming from someone who hopes this is all real, but I doubt it. The pic looks badly photoshopped, and the site does not appear to be registered to Warner Bros. Its also funny that ONE guy found the cards at ONE shop, for a NATIONAL campaign.
Did anyone else notice how shitty the email submit section is too? fade from the pixels is all nice, then you get a submit button straight from the shitty spam sites you try to avoid. -
So I think it is awesome that they are using the "I believe in Harvey Dent" line, which is from the Long Halloween for those of you Marvel nerds who don't know. And the blood writing that comes up when it tells you to check your email is EXACTLY the same as the blood text used in Arkham Asylum by Grant Morrison... fucking awesome shit. I love Nolan because he really loves the great, dark, fucked up Batman comics that true dark knight nerds love. BB is so true to Year One by Miller, and its sequel is going to be equally of a "holy shit that's just like..." experience.
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we should all file a fucking lawsuit against DomainsByProxy so this shit does not happen again.
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didn't you (or someone else) say last night that the www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com domain was registered BEFORE the www.ibelieveinharveydent.com domain?? so how could a faker do that??
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When did it become cool to hate Batman Begins? I guess I must've missed that train.
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Here is the Registrar info for the site:
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: IBELIEVEINHARVEYDENTTOO.COM
Created on: 14-May-07
Expires on: 14-May-09
Last Updated on:
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration IBELIEVEINHARVEYDENTTOO.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration IBELIEVEINHARVEYDENTTOO.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599
Domain servers in listed order:
NS49.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS50.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
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Of course a lot of work is photoshopped. And even some adds have some mess ups. But this is not the caliber of picture that they would release first. Its blurry and splotchy.
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If it were fake I think it would allow the same email address to be entered more then once, but when attempting to do so, it says "Never try to cheat a cheater".
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I would also like to point out that I am not a Batman hater. I am looking forward to this, and I think that (if this was real) its a genius marketing campaign. However, after pouring over the picture, the site, and all the information, I just could not take it as truth, once I started to get all the little bits of information.
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of course it is... I keep telling you guys, this is the first frame of a video that's gonna start playing as soon as the last pixel has been revealed... and that's why the image quality isn't as good as it would be with a promo photo (for example the black around his eyes, which is not really black)... the Joker will talk to us, I bet
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they have this same picture at the batman on film website claiming to be official as well.
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What...are you saying he's elitist because he cast a lot of British people? Aren't there enough movies full of Americans for you? What difference does it make anyway? And if that's no the problem, then what is? Why are you so angry about this? Just don't see it, and don't read the talkbacks if it bothers you that much. Jesus.
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we got there
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What...are you saying he's elitist because he cast a lot of British people? Aren't there enough movies full of Americans for you? What difference does it make anyway? And if that's not the problem, then what is? Why are you so angry about this? Just don't see it, and don't read the talkbacks if it bothers you that much. Jesus.
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There won't be no fucking video at the end, you cunting wank artist. Why even say that?
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If You AICN Motherfuckers have passed the community a spam website, I swear to bloody Jesus I'll never visit this site again.
You WILL doublecheck that (as well as every future) domain before you post them to your site. Fucking AMATEUR HOUR, the lot of you.
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It's going to be a video of Dr. Cliff Huxtable aka David Hasselhoff will appear in Clown makeup. Drinking a beer and eating a burger if we are lucky.
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that means its not a scam site? Since when? It seems to me that Domainsbyproxy.com is a site that PROTECTS scammmer sites, but what do I know? I still think that AICN should investigate, and apologize for encouraging 2.5 million of their readers to give up their email addresses, but that won't happen.
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Joker looked like a horror-show. This is about right! WTG Nolan
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Why wouldn't they just change the original Harvy Dent poster on the Warner Bros site? Instead of creating a whole new site?
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Here's info regarding the registrar of the site: Registrant:
Registration Private
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: GLOBALDAILYPAY.COM
Created on: 10-Dec-02
Expires on: 10-Dec-04
Last Updated on: 18-Feb-03
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration GLOBALDAILYPAY.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration GLOBALDAILYPAY.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599
Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.WORKDIGITAL.COM
NS1.WORKDIGITAL.COM
This was pulled from http://www.chatmag.com/help/scam.html. The registrar has been running scams for a while now.
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Those are the only tweaks I would add to the masterfully revised Batman franchise. Make a serial rapist version of the Mad Hatter played by Steve Buscemi; a murderous Black Mask played by either Viggo Mortenson or the godlike Vincent D'Onofrio; and finally a character named Dick Grayson, who makes only a cameo (and no Robin). He would have to be played by, who else, America's Sweetheart, Shia LeBouf!! (or however the fuck you spell it)
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why wouldn't there be a video at the end?? it's definitely what I'd like to see, and it's also what I'd do if I had designed this campaign. or don't you think that a campaign like this oughta have some kind of payoff, instead of just "revealing" what everyone has pretty much been seing for 24 hours? oh, and... you donkey-raping shit-eater! (guess you don't understand an argument if there's no insult included)
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This is a scam!!! It is run by Domainsbyproxy.com, a known internet scam group!!!
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This is a scam!!! It is run by Domainsbyproxy.com, a known internet scam group!!!
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This is a scam!!! It is run by Domainsbyproxy.com, a known internet scam group!!!
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This is a scam!!! It is run by Domainsbyproxy.com, a known internet scam group!!!
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This is a scam!!! It is run by Domainsbyproxy.com, a known internet scam group!!!
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This is a scam!!! It is run by Domainsbyproxy.com, a known internet scam group!!!
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This is a scam!!! It is run by Domainsbyproxy.com, a known internet scam group!!!
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This is a scam!!! It is run by Domainsbyproxy.com, a known internet scam group!!!
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its fucking frightening.
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fuck you
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http://www.securitymanagement.com/library/Pfizer_Domain1004.pdf
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Is it me or does he look like one of those killer clowns from that cheesy B-movie horror...
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http://www.corp.ca.gov/enf/info/dr/05pdf/orionventures.pdf
"...is registered through Domains by Proxy, Inc. Domains by Proxy, Inc. is a company operating from 15511 N. Hayden Rd., Suite 160, in Scottsdale, Arizona. Domains by Proxy, Inc. allows domain owners to conceal their identities from the public by registering their domains in the name of Domains by Proxy, Inc." -
Warner's lawyers would have shut the site down by now! Domains by proxy is a company that buys domains for people, hence "by proxy" and the site was registered after the first site. I think warner is just covering their tracks. The more talk the site stirs up the better. Remember controversy is free press!
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There are no embedded javascript tags for a player, nor are there any code descriptions for a flash video file aka an SWF extension file. Sorry to disappoint, no dice on the video...
oh and the registar info states the sites were registered almost 4 days apart, the supposed joker site was registered less than 24 hours after the dent site from warner brothers launched.
Dent site: May 11th launched same day, Fake Joker site: May 14th, launched May 16th.
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You have a hard-on for Nolan/Bale because you jump down the throats of anyone who doesn't love that shit as much as your sorry ass does. I'll start my mission of getting fucked by shagging your maw. And what the fuck has music got to do with fucking anything? Fucking retard...what do you listen to Happy Hardcore? Cock jockey.
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If it was legit, the url would have been ibelieveinharveydenttoo.warnerbros.com, not ibelieveinharveydent.com. Why the fuck would WB pay a domain name registrar under the amount of litigation domainbyproxy.com is under to do something they could do themselves?
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Delusional garbage spewing forth from an irresponsible poster. Take it elsewhere, you monkey cum-catcher.
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You're not too up on this whole viral marketing schtick are you Ryan?
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your bus is leaving. The site is 100% real. Check out batman-on-film.com - the creator of it, Jett, has serious connections to Warner Bros. and has confirmed it. That's Heath Ledger as The Joker.
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I've still had no e-mail...some bugger has seen the shit-storm the last fake caused and thought "I can do better than that!" Let's make the scars even more extreme and listen to everyone cry. That's what's happened. I'm amazed AICN fell for it really.
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That's the too milion dollar question...
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...why isn't he smiling? It's Batman : The Dark Knight, in which Batman faces off against his arch-nemesis the Joker who is suffering from Clinical depression and launches a series of armed raids in order to meet his extortionate medical expenses.
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Think about it, as mentioned above, if it was fake, Warner Bros would be all over their ass like you guys on Issue 1 Spiderman. Also, it only sends the email if you have Gmail, or 10 Minute mail.
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..why would Warner Bros launch a site that ignores Hotmail - possibly the largest e-mail client in the world?? Duuuh!
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....That one way or the other one half of folks on here are going to look like tits when it's revealed as a fake? Or not...
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...but cool. http://tinyurl.com/2nkoqt
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well, so there's none of that stuff on the site NOW... but they need only exchange the site with the "goal" site as soon as the image is revealed. obviously they wouldn't include anything so obvious now, but I don't really see the problem in switching two websites at a certain moment
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It is obvious why they didn't use hotmail! If the whole thing was unvieled with in ten minutes, nobody would care! Making this long and drawn out by using less used emails makes want us to see it all the more.
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the first batman SUCKED, cause you could see none of the martial arts choreography. i know people loved it, but why couldn't they pull the camera back to see the kung fu? why make bale learn moves, if you are going to americanize and 'blur' the kung fu to make it seem faster? this joker sucks big time. the first batman sucked, this joker sucks, meaning, good chance im not wasting my time at the movies over this junk.
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Fine... you submit your email. Makes no difference to me. Meanwhile, I'm going to try and make people aware. I deal in this shit all day long, dude. Looking at the source code, the head tags have big differences between the two sites. For instance, the first site has no DOCTYPE defined. Also, it was created by WEBSIDESTORY, a web development house. NOW, all of the sudden, there's no mention of WEBSIDESTORY anywhere in the second site. Also, the second story adds some heavy .js, including some Visual Basic scripting. The first site has relative links that go very deep, while the second one parses CSS, JS and VB scripts one folder deep. You guys are being duped.
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...you'll have messi jumping down your throat in a minute.:-)
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yeah, like HUGE tits (but not as hot as huge tits)... lucky that's not gonna be my half :-)
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"It's not legit...I'm amazed AICN fell for it really." 11:34.C'mon GlenyD, don't lose your balls and start wavering in your belief that it's fake in less than 7 minutes.
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"Excellent casting choice"
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Ryanislyin, you talk some sense Sir! Good on you.
It's fake there's no two ways about it. The studio are NEVER going to make something so grotesque as that as the bad-guy...I mean, come on. Get real. They're in it for the money folks, and they're not about to let a "gritty" "realistic" vision of a Director rain on their money parade...I mean Think about it for feck's sake. -
Websidestory created the first site, with relative links deep in the bowels of WB's site, and the second site drills down only one level. No mention of Websidestory on the second site. Funny, I didn't think WB would want to pay TWO companies to perform their viral marketing. Oh, and it's Sunday. Maybe WB's lawyers are asleep in bed, because WB didn't expect to have to monitor any marketing moves today.
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This Joker look is about as good as the Americanized Godzilla when compared to the Toho original.
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TruPHan...I fell for it initially I must admit, with the "Oh Fuck!!!" response...but not now i've had a think about it.:-)
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stupid argument... like you (or anyone else) isn't gonna see the movie with THIS Joker in it? it's gonna make huge money, whether it has a grotesque Joker in it or not, and the studio knows it
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I'd like to see that headline.
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then we'd all be happy :-)
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Gmail works because it's spam filter is subjective, it lets you choose who to mark as spam. Hotmail and most other email providers block spam using what's called a path reader. the email address s just a visible address, the email is actually coming form a server that hotmail/yahoo/ etc have marked as a spam DB. They also include interactive spam filters, but not as subjective as GMail. 10minutemail works because it has no spam filter... why put a spam filter on an email address that's only gonna exist for 10 minutes? As for the video, yes, they would have to because any designer knows the precusros would have to be there before you posted a flash video file simply because uploading another site on top of a current one = downtime. You have to point to the video once the server has the file. Otherwise no dice on it playing. And if it has some invisible "Goal" site trigger as you stated, it would be in the code already to switch over, and nothing is there.
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You do realise of course how much Cash the studios rake in from toys/game and other merchandising don't you? You do realise who buys that stuff don't you? Kids - that's who, and occasionally fanboys...There is no way on God's Green Earth that they're going to have a guy with grotesque holes in his cheeks as a Mattel action figure. It's just not going to happen. Studios can drop an idea in an instant; believe me, if it's going to reduce sales of anything relating to the film it's just not happening....so my argument stands I think.
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And exactly how is Warner gonna take the site down when the friggin FBI can't serve these DomainsByProxy guys with a cease and desist?
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..Laughing and dancing around a room full of massively breasted naked women would truly be genius...Total genius.:-p hehehe
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DOWNTIME?? replacing one html file with another on the server... let me think, that takes my own web server about 10 milliseconds... that's some terrible downtime! *lol*
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..that there hasn't been an "old school" style fake yet....
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But AICN can perform some due diligence, and protect the users of their site by actually investigating hosted content. By COB today, this will either be retracted or other media outlets will realize it is a scam.
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true, that would be total genius :-D sure, your action figure argument kinda stands... however, what action figures were there in BB? except Batman and maybe Scarecrow, I don't think any of the characters would be very interesting to children... "coool, I got a mob boss! you don't stand a chance with your asian looking guy who isn't really Ra's Al Ghul anyway!"
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I am having a grand time reading the many moods of Talkback. For every ridiculous leap of logic, there's a deafening crescendo of petty and childish insults. Keep it coming. I'm sick in bed and need to be entertained.
I believe this is a legitimate Warner Bros. venture. One of the things that Spider-Man 3 taught the studious is More is Better. By the time the film was in the theaters, Sony had released a mountain of footage and material, and people still went in record numbers. I predict The Dark Knight will usher in a new era in film marketing. I predict books will be written on the subject. I predict awards will be presented and careers will be made. -
I am having a grand time reading the many moods of Talkback. For every ridiculous leap of logic, there's a deafening crescendo of petty and childish insults. Keep it coming. I'm sick in bed and need to be entertained.
I believe this is a legitimate Warner Bros. venture. One of the things that Spider-Man 3 taught the studious is More is Better. By the time the film was in the theaters, Sony had released a mountain of footage and material, and people still went in record numbers. I predict The Dark Knight will usher in a new era in film marketing. I predict books will be written on the subject. I predict awards will be presented and careers will be made. -
Heath gotta eat.
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yeah, there weren't many great characters for figures from the first film, but they did produce loads and loads of toys. I remember seeing them in the back of an ARGOS catalogue (Brit store) not sure if it's in America. They had scarecrow, and Raz etc. I'm pretty sure they had the escaped nutters etc too. :-) I can just picture kids unwrapping that version of the Joker on Christmas morning...hahahaha, "ARghghghgh, Waaaaah! Mummmmm, I'm scared"..they'd have to go into therapy after that.:-)
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JUST SAYIN....
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Heath gotta eat.
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for obvious reasons! It's too gruesome.
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Just because you can pull up an Internet Explorer window doesn't mean you understand what's happening. WB all of the sudden started using GoDaddy as their registrar? WTF kind of logic is that?
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Not that anyone cares, but it's anna nicole crazy clown shower, scroll down this page. whatever, the joke's over. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=anna+nicole+smith+clown
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Batman-on-film .com and comingsoon .net have fallen for it, so I am not seeing many sites decrying this a a fake. If aintitcool is being duped other sources are too.
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But the first site was registered by MARKMONITOR INC. It's a scam, guys.
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just about 1000 to 2000 pixels left, I'd guess: http://www.avi-film.com/joker23.jpg
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..looked at that Batman on Film site, from the way it's written it sounds like the guy who did that site made the picture we see here today! He says, "Well, what do you think?" then the pic, then " I think I pretty much nailed it!;-)"
Is this where all this stuff has stemmed from? I can't see the bit where he claims it's from the film though......
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who then can go hire their own vendors. The argument that all their lawyers are sleeping and they can't possibly deal with copyright infringement on a weekend is silly. At the very least, even if all their lawyers are in suspended animation, they might release a statement declaring this other site to be fraudulent, or they could just let it go because it's getting them free promotion.
Have you people seen the toys sold these days? If there are Freddy Kruger dolls, costumes, etc, then why is this Joker such a stretch? There are untold numbers of toys made and sold with questionable taste.
I think the site's legitimately tied-in with the film, but if it's not, good on them for pulling such an elaborate hoax. The character design is close to what I would expect anyway. Joker is a loon, a dangerous psychopath. He's going to be scary, frightening.
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..but you don't usually see Kruger dolls in national retail outlets, mainly they are made in the fixed-pose exclusive fan-boy doll style. You know the ones I mean. I think it would be very brave of them to go with this look for obvious reasons but I somehow don't see them having the "cojones" to go through with it...Having looked into this look I am going to have to get Grant Morrison's batman books. Should be great.
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I read awhile ago that Black Mask was also going to feature as a villain (along with Maroni to set-up the Long Halloween courtroom sequence where Dent gets acid thrown in his face). Is it possible that the whole Joker getting a mask burned into his face with acid is confusion with Black Mask or has new shit come to light? (with apologies to Lebowski)
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Of course it's real. No one spends this much money on a hoax, and email addresses aren't that valuable. This is just one shot (a TEASER shot) of the Joker... do you really think the action figures will end up looking this grotesque, anyway? Those scars will measure about 2 millimeters each on tiny plastic heads. Fucking relax. If you saw the first film and know anything about Nolan, you should have expected the Joker to look something like this.
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I don't have the evidence, but I'm pretty sure heath ledgers foreign origins gave him an advantage over the choice of the role of the joker in Nolan's Eyes.
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..if they go with this look..I just think it's unlikely at the moment. You're right the scars would be minimised on the dolls....good my shares are safe. Hehehehe.
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to my girlfriend. It was very well-received by fans. Mark Hammill hated that version of Joker though because he was so not over the top like he had previously played him. I imagine this is the same Joker that Nolan wants. ...a Joker that Mark Hammill can hate.
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It's real. It's fake. It's real. It's fake. It's real. It's real. It's fake. It's real. It's fake. Real...Fake....REAL!....FAKE!.....
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It's certainly "different", but in a good way. He looks like a fucking psychopath. I hope he will be as dark in the movie as the pic suggests !
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http://www.batman-on-film.com/opinion_hold-off-on-that-Joker-picture_jett_2007.html
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How much money do you think it costs to create this hoax? I'd say $5.00 on hosting, about 2 hours invested in Flash, and configuring their databases to accept a flood of emails.
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Who mentioned the toys....Hahahaha..Heeeheheheheehe, ahahahhahahahaaa....Getting carried away sorry, ahahahahaahaahahah.....ahehehehehee. etc
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because there aren't many great American actors? Or perhaps it's to give his films a broader appeal to the global market? Or perhaps--and this is nuts, so go with me on this one!--perhaps he casts his films with the actors that seem best suited for the roles, and those he is confident he can work well with, because it's a collaborative art.
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If he could not only be a dark psychopath, but also some kind of a tough adversary in a final hand to hand fight with the bat, that would definetly get me off. Let The Joker give Batman a good beating, yeah !
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Uh...obviously not.
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Let's hope it has nothing to do with Batman, I'd rather not have another Joker origin because of Bats
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I just got off the phone with Christopher Nolan... He says the Joker face is disturbing, but he looked over and saw Kurt Russell laughing, so it's cool.
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I guess Harvey Dent has the WB as a major campaign sponsor then.
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this very site got into over those fake Joker pics. Or am I missing something? In the other article, this new image is mentioned as part of a greater whole, the ad campaign, and as an example of the often contradictory fanboy reaction to new takes on source material.
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handling that flood of emails at ALL indicates a level of server commitment unlikely to arise from an illegal prank. And unless you think that's not really Heath Ledger in the pic, where did the hoaxers get this sneak peek? Do you think both the site and the pic are hoaxes?
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didn't you notice there's a considerable amount of graphic design and motion graphics animation in this "hoax"? I work in that same industry, and just to create all the graphics and animation (let alone the flash programming behind it) I'd charge at least 2000 euros (that's almost 3000 us dollars)
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http://tinyurl.com/32l2tj
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..not to get you to do my website then! hahahaha, Not that I have a website. But if I did, you know? I'm sure a clever fan with some time on his hands could figure out a way to do that site.
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doesn't automatically give it credibility. Scams and phishers go to great lengths to land a few victims. That said, it's a legit site. Why do I think so?
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and the bullet goes through the mouth, exits through the other cheek. He pisses and pukes blood everywhere, laughing hysterically coz he's already half fucked up in his brain, lol.
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Two fat kids chest bump Batman. His chest collapses, and he goes into the hospital. The Joker hires Michael Bay to finish him off. Bay goes to Batman's hospital room, and plays Pearl Harbor on DVD. Batman calls Clint Eastwood to pull the plug.
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I'll take my hat in my hand and quit posting.
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darren, that article was from April. and ryanislyin, did you forget about the rubber-stamped "I believe in Harvey Dent TOO" cards that showed up? It's a viral marketing campaign, just like the Aqua Teens Crisis of 2006. No hoaxer would go to such great lengths.
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..until the truth "outs". I'm sure it'll be a fake that will be admitted to in due course, but there's really not much point in continuing the debate here much longer. I mean it either is or it isn't, and at the end of the day, what does it matter really? Not alot. It's just a movie after all...let's hope it's a good one!
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Thank you.
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Anytime. :-)
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You're right! I'm still looking forward to it. Even if it is a hoax, it makes me want to see it more!
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This is Heath: http://www.fazeteen.com/pipeline/images/heath.jpg (remove any spaces) ...and the pic is him. If it's not official, someone's been working on the pic and the site together for a long time.
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...even though I didn't fall in love with Begins, I reckon it could be fantastic. You just never can tell. Fingers crossed. As long as they don't introduce Batman's kid they should be on to a money-spinner. Hahaha. Even if they do they'll still make money no doubt.
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I mean, the heavy scarring due to flesh being rendered is more like R rated material. Also, everytime he opens his mouth or smiles, those scars are going to open wide and bleed; won't the MPAA have an issue with that??
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Who said they were stamped? Did you see the pics? They were not stamped. And funny that they only arrived at ONE single store in the whole country. Hmm...
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I don't know why some think it's a fraud...
http://tinyurl.com/2jumnc
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...studios are funny about those kinds of things. They like to protect their investments and they can be very controlling. They're not averse to kicking people off projects if they take something in a direction they feel is too "out there", it's happened in the past. I wouldn't underestimate their anal-ness when it comes to marketing.
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this was fun :-) and we're getting REALLY close now! http://www.avi-film.com/joker24.jpg those last few pixels are gonna fall in no time... guess I underestimated people's will to pull this through :-) by the way, I don't intend to soften my position now, so I say firmly: NO FAKE! :-)
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Bruce Wayne and Jack Napier were out camping one chilly night, and Bruce tells Jack to get into the tent because it's too cold outside. Jack does, but while he's sleeping in the tent, Bruce puts his arm around him. Jack gets really upset.He suddenly pulls down Bruce's pants, and starts the scaring process. Bruce becomes obsessed with Jack, and admits to him that he 'can't quit him'.
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@Bronx...now that is More like it Sir! Good job, that must have taken ageees.
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It's telling when people hate this pseudo-Joker so much
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that they start creating conspiracy theories about a hoax. Hear that, Nolan? Hey, how about adding several more "realistic touches": have Batman's ribs broken from the impact when the armor deflects bullets fired at him, have the Hulkhoganmobile trip over when it cuts a sharp corner, with Batman calling for road assistance? Oh yeah, how about this realistic touch: have Alfred NOT SPEAK LIKE A FUCKING COCKNEY!
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who gets the final pixel?
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Now, everyone give me yer emails!
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Great movie
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Let's not forget who we're dealing with. Nolan has taken the relationship between viewer and film to a new level. "The Prestige" is proof of that. I think only good things will come of his involvement with Batman.
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i love how the first square that appears, each time it loads, is dead center in that magnificent cleft in Eckhart's chin!! LOL!!! there's no way that's a coincidence. Eckhart's chin owns all of you and your mothers!!!
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i love how the first square that appears, each time it loads, is dead center in that magnificent cleft in Eckhart's chin!! LOL!!! there's no way that's a coincidence. Eckhart's chin owns all of you and your mothers!!!
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That would be awesome.
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Papa!
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yeah, sure... so which page of the Guiness Book of World Records are you on as the fastest designer on the planet?
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Just type in your e-mail, social security number, credit card number, and address....and then you're going get some sweet, sweet Joker pics!
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sure, since the current trend is making R-rated sequels to PG-13-rated movies... oh wait...
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....perhaps you're right on the toys thing. Still, I don't know if it's real. Didn't think that one through to completion. Hahaha, Anakin was pushing it mind you in the toys department, but then it was Star Wars.....bigger deal....hmmm, bigger appeal for the toys also.
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Hmmm, everytime I use 10minutemail now I get the "Trying to cheat, a cheater" message now. I used it like 15 times last night, but now it no worky...
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I love this joker. Now I admit I was not in love with Batman Begins...I think it was a great movie made decent by terrible MTV style editing, a silly doomsday plot which had a huge gaping hole in it and some melodrama whihc was a little heavy handed. Still its one of the best (if not the best) comic book movies ever made. I do hope they iron out the problems from the first (CUT OUT THE FUCKING MTV ACTION SEQUNCES) and I would love this to be rated R. I know it aint happening, but I think the movie would benefit greatly from a darker approach.
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up my face, then go to the local movie theater and start a line for TDK. I should probably bring a towel what with all the blood and whatnot.
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There's something about this that dosen't hold water - call it a gut feeling...I do not see why DC would allow one of their oldest - not to mention most lucartive - characters get mutilated - pardon the pun - like that...even the recent "re-envisioning" - if that's the proper term - of the Joker in the books ain't nearly this gory.
As for the bit about Toys...well, unfortunately, major films like this do need marketing tie-ins.
THAT face on a t-shirt?
Ummm, won't fly.
I still think it's a sham, but, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?
Slick marketing if it's true, and, if not, some people need to trun their energies to more productive ideals.
Still clever, though...
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I want the X-rated Batman! Batman pounds Viki Vale. Catwoman straddles Batman and rides him like a horse! Poison Ivy.....oh......sweet poison pussy! Batman can't get enough!
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wanted something more cartoony, ala the Spiderman trilogy or Star Wars! Sorry this is too scary for you.
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Clever...fake but clever.
The HarveyDentToo.com was created 3 days after the actual WarnerBros domain site, I don't buy it.
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that face is, like, real arkham asylum scary. like, dave mckean scribbly dark. i think nolan didn't even go dark enuf the first time in dealing with the asylum. but i just watched 'memento' last night for the first time in years and it has reaffirmed my faith in his mad skills.
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they are just fucking emails..... Oh no! we got more spam mail. It would be a fucking waste of time just to scam people out of their emails so they can send junk mail. Junk mail we never look at and delete instantly. I have complete trust of the man over at Batman-On-Film. If he says its a real pic its a real pic. I personally love the way Joker looks. Its different. And for that toy arguement, seriously they can change the way the toy looks. They made scarecrow's mask orange because they were toning it down for the kids. And Batman Begins wasn't for kiddies. Kids sat for at least an hour bored out of their minds cuz they had no idea what was going on. TDK wont be for kiddies either. I am ready for this movie to fucking kick my ass.
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This is just about the last straw! I had a lot of hope for this movie but that was just flushed by the piece of shit I just saw that was the pic of the "Joker". I LOVE Batman Begins! It was spot on! I love the casting in it! That was one of the best things about that movie. I love the casting of Harvey Dent. I was SOOOO displeased by the casting of Heath Ledger as the Joker that I ALMOST gave up hope on this movie, but I retained a glimmer of hope based on how well Nolan did on the last one. If he could portray the Joker's character correctly, I am sure Heath Leger will be OK in the role. Not perfect but passable. Seeing this image I have just given up all hope. This is proof that they are NOT going to portray the Joker in this movie. This shit makes me sad AND makes me want to vommit with rage at what could have been the greatest Batman series of movies EVER! SOOOOO DISAPPOINTING!
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This is just about the last straw! I had a lot of hope for this movie but that was just flushed by the piece of shit I just saw that was the pic of the "Joker". I LOVE Batman Begins! It was spot on! I love the casting in it! That was one of the best things about that movie. I love the casting of Harvey Dent. I was SOOOO displeased by the casting of Heath Ledger as the Joker that I ALMOST gave up hope on this movie, but I retained a glimmer of hope based on how well Nolan did on the last one. If he could portray the Joker's character correctly, I am sure Heath Leger will be OK in the role. Not perfect but passable. Seeing this image I have just given up all hope. This is proof that they are NOT going to portray the Joker in this movie. This shit makes me sad AND makes me want to vommit with rage at what could have been the greatest Batman series of movies EVER! SOOOOO DISAPPOINTING!
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Acebandage you are sad. Get a life.
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I said Interpol because I was thinking he'd kind of look like Carlos D. Lazy, I know. And I love Aussie accents, even though the only Aussie I ever met was a total dumb fuck; he went the typical route of saying that rugby players are tougher than American football players...which would be true, if professional rugby players could step on the field with NFL players without getting paralyzed on every play.
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That's all...just wanted to apologize for that.
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This Joker looks like a badass. Can't wait for THE DARK KNIGHT.
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still works perfect for me... I use it on 3 different browsers simultaneously, so I do almost 3 pixels per 10 minutes, yay! :-)
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What do you mean? Why do you say that I'm sad and need to get a life?
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I read earlier that someone wanted the batmobile back from Batman Forever? You think that this Joker is going against the Batman mythos, yet you want something from Batman Forever brought back? The movie that turned Harvey Dent into a hyper-kinetic cackling jackal? This Joker looks like what he's become: A pure case of anti-social personality disorder. Which I guess is okay, if you want to base your character in this movie on a guy that feeds poisoned cotton candy to Boy Scouts. Yeah, it kind of looks like this guy would do that. I think it looks awesome and anyone that wants to bring back shit from Forever should drink bleach.
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come on, guys! just a few puny pixels left! get em!
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that looks like a very similar shot of his face from a magazine, the wya his face is tilted and everything...so it might be a photoshopped image...but if its not, oh well
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This was really a VERY poor casting choice...I do not care what Hollywood says, or the critics say, or whatever nomination he got...he's a lousy actor, and if that *is* the make-up he's in?
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for Burtons vision of the JOker? Or Cesar's Joker? Dude that is not that joker. The joker is a pyschotic serial killer. Just because his image isn't what you expected, you jump on the bitch bus. And what did u really expect coming from a Nolan film? I really want to know.
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Photoshop mistake, the true image is all white.
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The Joker is a derranged and dangerously disconnected sociopath, but he is not as base or as simple as a serial killer. The Joker derives no pleasure from killing or maiming, his pleasure derives from the overall plan that he concieves and is completely out of touch with reality to a point where the killing means NOTHING to him. He has no joy or passion or other emotion about killing. and he should appear ridiculous physically, not gruesome.
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I like the direction they're going in, and I think that is a freaky image, but I think they wimped out on his appearance. I would have mad e his mouth cut open all the way from cheekbone to cheekbone, with his teeth exposed all the way back on either side. Yeah, that probably would have shot their PG-13 rating all to hell, but it would have been intense & made the Joker look like he was SMILING. This Joker just has a couple of holes in the side of his mouth and, even with the lipstick, doesn't give the impression of having that maniacal grin.
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I peed my pants when I saw him.
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My previous post was directed to you Acebandage.
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...Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The more I look at it, the more I dig it. But the haircut may fuck up the whole thing.
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Very cool. imo.
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Whah, Dark Knight will completely suck because of an unconfirmed picture I saw on the internet. Wah, Spiderman will suck because of organic webshooters. Wah, Transformers will suck because of flames on Optimus. Wah, Mommy ruined my Superman t-shirt in the laundry. You clowns are pathetic.
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A serial killer doens't need to "derive" pleasure from killing people; he just needs to kill alot of people. Also, killing means nothing to a person suffering from anti-social personality disorder because they don't care about anything. They cannot feel empahty. They cannot decide on a life plan or plan ahead for the future. They repeatedly engage in activities that they can be arrested for...and so on and so forth. The Joker is the most extreme example of a person with anti-social, and as a byproduct of that, he's a serial killer as well.
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I think that would be a mass murder. I'd say that serial killers do derive some kind pleasure from the killing... that's why they do it, after all
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That image Moriarty forwarded appeared the first time I went to the site and before I ever even put my e-mail address in. If it is real, it figures -- the sort of dopey glam-queen expression with goth makeup under the eyes is about what I'd expect from an actor like Ledger in this role. He's not even smiling -- at all! The stuff about it being all about the eyes and not the smile -- BS. If he doesn't smile, why call him Joker? I really like BATMAN BEGINS -- the stuff about the lisping is something I really don't get -- but I'm worried about this one. I'm worried that Nolan's "realistic" approach isn't going to work so well with such an unrealistic (image-wise) villain like The Joker, and with a villain like that, well, the whole movie is going to rest on how much Ledger sells The Joker.
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was what I meant
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I think he'll work for the directin they're going, but going in a different direction, does anyone remember when they were thinking about casting Steve Carrell? Wow, could you imagine him with this make-up? Can anyone give me their thoughts on what his take on the role would be? And if you don't look Ledger, then who would you rather see in the role? And don't say Glover, because it would have never happened. Me? I always thought that Bettany would have been good. He has charisma and a shark's grin; plus he's lanky...any other thoughts?
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Just wear makeup to cover the scars he has...:(
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Just wear makeup to cover the scars he has...:(
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Just wear makeup to cover the scars he has...:(
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Skynet and Colonel, but the terms "mass murderer" and "serial killer" have no psychological requirements at all. The only requirement to being a "mass murderer" is to kill a large group of people at a time. The identifying factor of a "serial killer" is to kill a lot of people, over time. A mass murderer can be a serial killer, but most serial killers aren't mass murderers unless they kill a group of people at some point... no psychological requirements are attributed to these titles because every serial killer is different. A person who lacks empathy is called a "sociopath", skynet.
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Wow, are you still stuck on goofs from Batman Begins? To have such an obsession is pretty pathetic. Maybe it is time to turn of the computer, and go outside? Wow, what a loser.
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all I'm getting is the Dent poster with the black eyes, no Joker image underneath. I'm going to have a tantrum.
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The Crow is the new Joker?
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now it seems I can't reveal any pixels anymore... always get the "trying to cheat a cheater" message... can anyone still do it?
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Why are you guys making such a big deal hes the perfect Joker, Have you ever seen a movie he has made or do you just knowhe was in Brokeback mountain so you dont like him, I think its clear he could play Joker from Watching Lords of Dogtown not a great movie but he was the best thing about it, hes crazy and serious at the same time. Watch his performance in that movie and stop crying, hell I could name all his great movies but somehow I doubt that will make a difference to you opposed to him, if your gonna give up on the dark night than just do it and stop Bitching about doing it.
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WB wouldn't handle a promotion like this "in house"; they'd subcontract it out to a company that specialized in "viral marketing". Who might take a few days to finalize the ad and use a company that files off domain ownership, becuase A) it's what the Joker would do and B) They're used to and familiar with that sort of thing.
The actual photo that we can now see has no Photoshop distortion.
I'm betting on legit.
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I see, didn't know that, thanks!
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The criteria is that they kill three or more people. That's it. The whole "deriving pleasure" archetype of serial killers is from fiction. That is known as an expicitly morbid type of serial killer. The Joker, in reality, would fall under the subtype of Hedonistic serial killer, but he is also just a pure criminal. The fact that he kills so many people makes him a serial killer by proxy, where the most pure diagnosis of his mind would be simply that he has antisocial pesonality disorder...in the most extreme variation of the disorder.
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I'm on board with this newest incarnation of the joker. I hope he has green hair though.
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I'm a total fanboy... and I love this incarnation of the Joker. Personally, I enjoyed some of the bogus pics that surfaces but I really like this take on Joker. To bring the Joker into Nolan's Batman universe, I think the scarred, disfigured smile will work great. I hope he's scary as hell and disturbing. I was really bummed when alot of Nolans visions for 'stage 2' of the Scarecrow transformation were cut to keep the rating it got (hopefully they'll release it into a directors cut or something) and I hope this looks even more frightening on screen... I'm all for this version and I have great faith in the team that's making this flick!!
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Sometimes it doesn't pixellate correctly, you have to refresh
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he's a wacko who kills a lot of people, heh
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I mean, I love the character, and thought BB was a good film, but to argue that Nolan will have trouble adapting the Joker into his reality-based film, well, I'd like to propose that Batman is hardly a realistic figure. Just as they created a plausible reality for Batman etc, I expect they'll handle the task of bringing the Joker to the screen. Nolan has done a great job of grounding the film in a recognizable world, but I watch Batman movies to see his world, and his world had a bunch of freaks running around in it. The Joker will fit right in.
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I think that Ledger has a great smile for this. Imagine Ledger's smile with the scaring added...it's going to look great.
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Text is such an impersonal medium, try to use punctuation, it makes all the difference. Without it, you come off sounding like an angry victim of Down's syndrome on cocaine.
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I'm counting about 70 pixels left
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I mean, come on - falling in chemicals that dye different parts of his body different colors? AND instills in him a fetishistic obsession with clowns, clown imagery, and pranks???This will GUARANTEED be the best Joker ever. I'll be in the TB when you haters eat "crow."
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The point remains valid, though.
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It's funnyman Bobcat Goldthwait. He's a stitch.
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I consider myself a Batman purist and I have nooo trouble with this. The Joker is no joke. He's a bad man, scary enough to be up there with Jason and Leatherface. You do not want to cross paths with the Joker, and this picture conveys that. The Joker should be horror. A gashed-up face is horror. I love it. I hear angels singing. Now let's pixel-fuck the left side of Arron's face.
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Im horrible with grammer and punctuation so I cant really argue when it comes to that but honestly people fighting over Joker being psychotic vs joker being deranged is a bit, no it's just ridiculous.
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I did make the mistake of saying pyschotic. I didn't mean that, it seams i am so used to saying psychotic serial killer i just typed it. Dont ask. Yes one hundred percent what bunny said. Anyway you put it Joker is a serial killer. That is fucking scary. And Acebandage you want him riduculous looking..... but you enjoyed the BB with the realistic approach. Do you think that add something ridiculous looking into the Nolan movies. I want to be scared of Joker not fucking laugh at the way he appears on screen.
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What other villains do you think will be able to fit into Nolan's "reality-based" world? When you think about it, if you take away his costume, The Riddler is just a guy with OCD that robs banks. I heard Nolan doens't think that the Penguin doesn't fit into his world...which I think is odd because I could easily see him in this reality. What villains does everyone think would work, and which does everyone think wouldn't work? Me? The Joker, Two-Face, Catwoman, and Hush are the only villains that make sense in this movie series. Think about it: A guy robs a bank and leaves a clue that he did it...what a dumbfuck.
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I don't know, I'll wave my opinion till I understand the context of the scar(s). I do hope this signals that this will be a darker film than the first, i.e. Batman to Batman Returns.
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No smile-inducing chemicals in Gotham's water supply?
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i can't type worth a damn today. I meant to say do you think that adding something ridiculous looking into the Nolan movies would work?
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We could still have some fantastic characters. Maybe not full-on supervillains, but some sci-fi tech, maybe a bit of occultish magic stuff, Mr. Freeze (not the Ahnuld abortion) and Solomon Grundy come to mind.
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You can basically go and fuck right off. All its been towards the end of this Talkback is fucking little bitchy negativity, why? it started off very positve on here then you so called fans must of seen that and thought 'shit I better get on there and act like a fucking little twat' I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion but jesus stop trying to spoil it, lifes too fucking short. Looks amazing by the way.
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One part of me is not happy about this picture of the Joker. The other is excited that the movie is going is unknown direction.
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I enjoy seeing comic book worlds on the screen, but there's an inherent problem with the source material. Most of the villains are ridiculous. The names are stupid, the costumes are laughable, and once they are translated to the big screen, it's hard to take them or the film seriously.
One of my fears with the continuation of the Spider-Man films is the villains they have left to choose from.
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Have a nice day.
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because it isn't for me
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Electro is a dipshit, but his powers would kick major ass on the big screen. Scorpion and Vulture also work. Rhino would be kick ass...there's a few left for Spidey to take on.
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there looks to be about 30 more squares... let's finish it and see what happens next!
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Good day to you sir.
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... if the Joker isn't smiling in this particular picture, that means he never smiles at all, not ever.
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...everyone who hasn't done it yet should do it. There could be more to the site than just an image.
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start making them using mocap. Then the entire environment would be heightened, and a man in a rhino suit wouldn't look so silly.
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WITH A FREAKIN' LAB COAT, DAMMIT!!!
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I've used my three emails. I want to see that damn thing finished. I'm hoping there's a flash movie, maybe a song and dance number...GET ME PARKER!
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AND PURPLE PANTS, TOO!!!!!!!!
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He shouldn't apply make-up and drive at the same time.
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could definitely work in this movie. Think about: The Joker sees some woman he's stalking in a jazz club, he goes in and tries to woo her by playing piano, he gets up like he's going to dance, he does some intentionally horible dance moves, then he pulls out a .44 and starts blowing people away at random...laughing and dancing the whole time.
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and Black Mask would be pretty gnarly in this reality as well.
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moments in BB that I found pretty intense. I was surprised to see the movie going for scares. I want them to turn the next one into a psychological fright fest, and the Joker is just the man to be the Master of Ceremonies.
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Arkham in Batman Begins? I remember Gordon talking about not picking up half the inmates then tells Batman about The Joker, but was he one of the inmates? I like to think that he was.
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So probably, if this picture is indeed real, it's not the one that would be turning up if any of us were directing the movie. I was pretty pissed about it--the Joker's my favorite character, and certainly what actually got me reading Batman comics. This picture really does look like shit.
I mean I'm personally upset because what I wanted to see was some hyperstylized whatever from the comic books, a psycopathic super-fey David Bowie or something. (Awesome.) Obviously not going to happen.
But come on. It's not like this interpretation is coming out of nowhere. I love the shadows. I love the lipstick. I *love* the scars. He's like some angry fucked-up version of Loki, which kinda makes sense anyway. This could work. -
put a completely new and legitimate email address in there (a college one) and i got the 'don't tryt to cheat a cheater' message. Hmm.... bastards!! there must be something we're not supposed to see yet when the thing is finished.
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the scarring would work better. On the right side of Ledger's face it seems to be curved into a smile-like shape, while the left side it's just a circular lump of flesh. I know making the sides match a little more wouldn't be "realistic" scarring, but we are talking about a series of movies where people ride up the sides of buildings in special cars, soft fabric can be hardened with the press of a button into a glider, and madmen try to drive entire cities insane by putting "fear juice" in the water supply.
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I live, sleep, eat, and breath The Joker. He has been my favorite fictional character since before I could read the words.
NOTHING in the world of Entertainment means as much to me as this character.
With that said, I am bursting with excitement at the new Batman movie. I love the direction Nolan seems to be taking with this; making The Joker dark, twisted, and above all- Scary!
I loved how Jack did it in '89, I think Mark Hamill is a genius-
but this one seems cold and evil. Different than what any mainstream fan or casual fan might be used to. I think the Harvey website was a very cool way to début this to all of us, and I can't wait to see Heath in full costume. I have a lot of confidence in Heath and especially Nolan.
There is little that means more to me than the Joker (sad, i know)- and I am very enthusiastic about this.
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and it didn't work... but I think there are still pixels disappearing
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If you are going to reveal the joker, we need to see him smile, he looks like hes getting a blow job from clayface.
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Thanks for coming in and stating the obvious and logical concept, that everyone has their own interpretation of Joker and no matter what we'll be disappointed. Too bad it will still escape most of the others here.
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... is the greatest Joker's laugh. Period.
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we've worked hard for this... how can they shut it down right when we get there? It's not our fault they underestimated us :)
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I tried entering a Comcast email, and I got the cheating message. Why would they close it?
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try putting in completely random, made-up email addresses. Same "trying to cheat a cheater" message. fuck this!!!
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The whole point of the "Joker" is that he's supposed to be some mentally deranged clown. I hope they keep it fairly consistent with this.
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why is it getting so damn hard now?
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That is, at the same time, one of the worst ideas that I have ever heard, and one of the best ideas I have ever heard.
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Hello, pot? Meet kettle.
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2 pixels desappered in the last few minutes... keep trying! only 33 to go!
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no more squares are being removed
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Glover rocks and his take on the Joker would be fucking amazing! Maybe when they finally film Frank Millers the Dark Night Returns we'll get to see that.
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no they didn't
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..think it's definitely real...The more I look at it the more it's growing on me.
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what are you doing differently than us, skynet?
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Fantastic. Nolan has got it spot on - if the rumour that its a stray batarang that causes the "smile" is true too, then this could be the best show down....ever.
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so that other people can finish the thing (for whatever reason)... it's the only logical explanation
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LAUGHS THE LOUDEST MY FRIENDS
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Hahahaha, that you Andy?
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Damn, I didn't know a batarang could scar a man like that ! Unless it's as sharp as a meat cleaver !
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Getting scarred by a Batarang....Mind you wouldn't there be loads of Jokers kicking about if they were as sharp as all that?
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Seriously, that looks like something out of a really f'n scary nightmare...truly frightening, something I always thought Joker should be...can't wait to see more!
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kicks ass. They should do no more. That is IT.
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kicks ass. They should do no more. That is IT.
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If heath Ledger can pull it off well, I will slap Icy Hot on my ballsack.
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Whoa... a totally dark version of something! Really gruesome! Man, this is so fresh!
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In both story and visual terms, Batman has lots of artistic room. I'm a fan of a fair number of comic book artists...and I can easily imagine how the style of each and every artist would be visually interpreted as motion pictures, in animation and/or live action. I would love to see a Marshall Rogers styled Batman come to life,...just as I desire to see a Brian Bolland interpretation, or Neal Adams, or Alex Ross, or Jim Lee, or Simon Bisley, or Bill Sienkiewicz, or Steve Rude, or Dave McKean, or Berni Wrightson, or David Mazzucchelli, to name a few. At least in visual terms, these artists can have trememdous impact in how a Batman movie...looks. And I believe that "one hand washes the other" (so-to-speak) in that...you want a style to mimic and enhance the story that is being told. In other words, you want a great recipe...and to not leave a bad taste, if you get what I'm saying. And you can't please everyone because not everyone has the same taste (as proven here, in the AICN-talkbacks). So, personally, it's probably more important to me that the BLEND is right,...that the recipe is right. If you're going to interpret Miller & Mazzucchelli's "BATMAN: YEAR ONE", then I want to see it closely match the cinematography of the movie "SE7EN", with shades of brown and dull greys,...quite the cool cinematic style. If you're going to interpret the art of Simon Bisley's "JUDGMENT ON GOTHAM", I expect lots of BLUE/GREEN SCREEN work with a body builder as Batman (likely voiced by someone else), with computer manipulation to make the body builder's muscles part of the costume itself. And a classic like Frank Miller's "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS" would just as obviously go the "SIN CITY"/"300" route, with stage work against GREEN (or BLUE) SCREEN, with lots of computer animation. I guess in the end, I only care about a great flick,...as long as it's mostly faithful to the source material. But don't stray too far. And keep in mind that there's nothing wrong with COOL visuals...and great costume/character design. That's one aspect of "BATMAN BEGINS" that was underwhelming. And I'm hard to please, that way.
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Seriously, people are bitching about how dark Nolan's vision is? Like Batman was never dark in the books? Simpletons.
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i keep watching a handful of the squares and they are not going away. watch the red and blue ones to the side... i really think they're closing it so we don't find out what is suppose to happen next
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either someone's still getting in, or this thing is on a timer
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It's perfect. I thought it would suck after I saw those grainy images of Heath Ledger on set. Also, Heath Ledger. But this totally rules. It blew me away. It's so much better than the whacked-out Nicholson version. He looks DISTURBING. He looks F'D up. What the hell is going on on the side of his face? It's scarring or warts or what. It's f'ing CREEPY. And Nolan's whole thing is grounding the universe in believability. The Joker has always been a stretch, physically-- but you believe this. Some dude who got seriously messed up and now he's nuts and this is what he looks like. WOW.
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no, it's not closed! I'm comparing screenshots all the time here
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God, I need to kill myself.
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goddammit! :-)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the Joker's whole body is white, not just his face from the chemicals he fell in. Which is also why his hair turned the awful bleach green like hair can do if you dont dye it properly. And as far as his red lips goes I thought that was also a result of the accident. I know he has the different gadgets like his flower with acid and lip paints with poison in them but to say he should be like the Joker in DKR is like saying Superman should be like the Superman in Kingdom Come. They both work in an elseworlds type fashion and while there are great moments from them it isn't the way the characters necessarily are in regular continuity. For that matter I think a Thrillkiller-esque Batgirl is "realistic" enough for the Nolan Batman universe. Just a thought though.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the Joker's whole body is white, not just his face from the chemicals he fell in. Which is also why his hair turned the awful bleach green like hair can do if you dont dye it properly. And as far as his red lips goes I thought that was also a result of the accident. I know he has the different gadgets like his flower with acid and lip paints with poison in them but to say he should be like the Joker in DKR is like saying Superman should be like the Superman in Kingdom Come. They both work in an elseworlds type fashion and while there are great moments from them it isn't the way the characters necessarily are in regular continuity. For that matter I think a Thrillkiller-esque Batgirl is "realistic" enough for the Nolan Batman universe. Just a thought though.
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I can't get that little tune out of my head now.
I can see how some people here might think it's cool. But I'd be surprised if the general movie-going public went for it. Now I think Nolan is a great director and I'm sure he knows what he's doing somehow. But to make the Joker look like that just seems really wrong. It'd be one thing if a new character looked like that. But the Joker is huge and iconic. And I don't think you should mess with stuff like that. -
based on a single image from a film is beyond me. Batman Begins was great - it established the world perfectly (for me) that we can now explore further in the Dark Knight. Nolan knows his stuff, Ledger is a great actor - stop your bitching and have a little faith. I think they've earned it don't you?
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Seems a little too hard edged or something, I dunno. I think thye just out Tim Burton'ed Tim Burton with that design (if it's true).
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Pwnage!
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Not a big deal, but if you screen cap it and change the color saturation from 100 to 130% it looks more like it probably will in the movie...the picture is washed out pretty good.
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I'm really digging the Joker look for this movie. Go Nolan! I'll always trust his judgment for his movies, he hasn't let me down yet.
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blue one on his chin
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For those who called me "bitchy":
1. I really loved BATMAN BEGINS - great movie, Nolan was right on target.
2. I NEVER liked the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker from square one - he is Hollywood's Golden Boy right now and that is the ONLY reason he got it...which is tragic as people like Crispin Glover, Christopher Eccleston and a host of others would tower over him in terms of interpetation and delivery.
2. I *have* seen several of Ledger's roles - he is not an actor, he is a hack. Period.
3. The makeup is just revolting - an insult to the character, pathetic, cheap and a disgrace.
4. The Joker's character, for all his psychosis, has a certain degree of panache and style - Ledger is unable to convey it - I repeat: he is a talentless hack - and the idea they are trying to convey with this makeup is just drivel.
5.Nolan wants Batman set in a mor "realistic" frame of view?
Who is he kidding?
IT'S A COMIC BOOK CHARACTER!
No that the SPIDERMAN films are exactly based in reality, but this bit about the Penguin and the Riddler not being able to fit in his world? Not a good sign - sure, characters like Captain Stingaree and Killer Moth I think I can live without, but come on, Nolan, lighten up a bit.
6. I do NOT want a return to the style of the 90s BATMAN films - like I said earlier, BATMAN BEGINS is a brilliant piece of film making - but let's not screw with the established characters so much they become something unrecognizable.
Finally, if you don't like my opinion, that's great - you're entitled to yours as I am mine, but, please, let's can the insults, OK?
IT'S AN OPINION ON MESSAGE BOARD - DEAL WITH IT!!!!!
*gets off of high horse and goes to watch this weeks episode of DOCTOR WHO*
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Anyone try it froma completely different computer/IP address? I've tried from multiple legit email addresses on this computer and I get the cheating a cheater message...bet they log your ip now.
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I'm liking it a lot. Can't wait for this to come out.
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You must be right, I got away with it earlier today but no longer. The last few pixels are going reeeally slow.
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i have to tell all you bitching little fan boys to just lay the fuck off - you asked for a creepy joker and they gave you one. Now you're crying left and right, i can't take this shit. Wait before you jump ship. This picture is setting the tone for the movie. It's going to be a twisted tale, dark, creepy and intense. STOP THE BITCHING or go rent B89 for christ sakes.
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A friend who hadn't done this before just tried it and it gave him the "cheating a cheater" message. Looks like they've closed it.
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Who eats pudding. He is not The Joker. If I was looking at a pic of Christopher Eccleston, Lachy Hulme, Mark Hamill, Crispin Glover etc... right now I'd be thinking "wow that looks shit, but at least they got a decent actor actor to play him". But currently I'm thinking this is one of the worst things I have ever seen in my entire life. Heath Ledger is a talentless non-entity piece of shit who isn't fit to lick Jack Nicholson's shoes. And to top it off this is what he’s going to look like? What is happening? Is this hell? What the fuck is wrong with the world!?!
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"But currently I'm thinking..." No one caaaaares.
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Anybody who doubts his chops hasn't seen Brokeback Mountain. And don't be afraid, watching it won't make you gay. But if you fear watching you probably are.
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grrrrrrr
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Unimpressed. Like I said the only prob with BB was it lacked a certain theatrical component. To gritty. I understand what Nolan was doing but a brown palette does not inspire... much. The Joker contrasts bats perfectly in that the joker provides colour where the batman is darkness. But these characters contrats in every which way. This Joker seems to be from the same place bats is from. too gritty to real. He needs to be completely comic and insane. I did not like Nicholsons Joker as he was not menacing at all. I think Hamill nailed it except in a movie I would turn the menace up and comic side down a bit. This Joker is too much of a deviation from the source I fear. He needs to be intelligent, funny and well completely unreal. I dont like the fact he is scarred. I want him to be completely inhumane. Nuts and psychotic just cause he is, not cause mummy never loved him or daddy loved too much. I really dont know how ledger is going to pull this off. Can you really imagine Ledger doing a maniacal cackle that would seen a chill down your spine? He is too good looking. He does not have the rubber face required to contort and quickly change from jovial to menacing. I think Jim Carey at this stage of his career would have been even better than Glover. BUt this is spilt milk. I am not condemning this film, but I am not supportive of the casting or the look. I hope I am proved wrong. This is by far Ledger's most difficult role. Lets see if he can handle it?
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Full disclosure: I think BB is probably the best all-around comic superhero movie out there, primarily *because* of the realistic approach. I began to lose interest during the climax when comic book physics took over. That's not to say I don't enjoy comic book physics, but there is a medium that is well-suited for that scale of action: comic books (and of course, animation.) The fantastic characteristics of the superhero genre -- costume design, spectacular feats -- shine in those media, but IMO they tend to fall flat on film, even in the best cases (X-men 2, Spider-man, Donner's Superman).
I offer that the genre is almost inextricably enmeshed with the medium. Trying to recreate the comic superhero experience in a dramatic (or action) film is most likely going to be as satisfying as recreating the dramatic film experience in superhero comics (ref. Bendis's work with Marvel.)
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Claudio:
IT'S AN OPINION - if you do not like it, go away and wait for the movie.
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God, all of this "Joker looks like crap" and "Heath is a bad actor", just shut up! If you think the movie will be so bad, and unbearable to watch, nobody is forcing you too watch, and nobody is forcing you to stay here to talk about it.
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anyone who's been in a movie with anne hathaway's blessed tongue exciters can be in any movie they want to. NOW HOW GAY WAS THAT?
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anyone who's been in a movie with anne hathaway's blessed tongue exciters can be in any movie they want!
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its fantastic,unbalanced yet balanced,creepy,disgusting,remarkable.no matter that they got the idea from del Toro......I cant believe there people still thinking this is a fake....
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Firstly, fuck Cesar Romero, seriously.
And fuck you.
Why is there this need for the Joker to have facial scarring at all? That isn't canon. He doesn't have any of that shit in the original source material.
He smiles because he is insane, not because he can't help it.
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IT IS A MESSAGE BOARD.
IT IS AN EXPRESSION OF OPINION.
If ***YOU*** do not like it then ***YOU*** can leave as well.
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so maybe this'll take until next week after all
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Yeah, but I actually like discussing the thing, not hearing the same people complaining on and on about how the scar is two inchs too high. It is such a small detail, and they bitch on and on, yet you know that they are the ones buying tickets for the movie 4 months in advance.
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I'm not complaining on the scars or anything of that nature - and I say this with all humility - go back and read my original post and my thoughts on the *look* and why I think they blew it.
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http://i15.tinypic.com/6cnl4ew.jpg
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why dont you take your own advice and wait for the movie as well before you cry up a river ...
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dumm-de-dumm
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Why don't you develop some manners?
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EVysther I am not talking about you personally, I am talking about all of the people in general, complaining about silly things like saying this movie is ruined just because the make-up wasn't done exactly how they wanted it.
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Chris Nolan brought new life to the Batman franchise in Batman Begins. That was one of the, if not the BEST comic book movie ever made.
I am an AVID Batman fan, and I am ALL FOR Nolan's Joker. I want my Batman DARK. SCARY. INTENSE. That is exactly what NOLAN will deliver.
Heath Ledger will OWN as the JOKER. Period. Go back and watch BURTON's BATMAN. They are 100 percent CHEESE. Worse yet, check out the Batman TV show (live action, we will leave the animated epic out of this discussion) or even WORSE still, Joel Schumacher's Batman.
We should appreciate the BRILLIANCE of Nolan and his vision, his drive to bring us Batman the way he should be seen.
I have NO DOUBT whatsoever that HEATH LEDGER will be scary as hell as the Joker.
Don't like it? Go watch Batman and Robin, or Batman forever. You want a cheesy Joker? Watch Burton's Batman. It's great for kids, but for adults who love the genre, bring us the gritty more terrifying comic book epic.
Be grateful, BATMAN FANS, that you are NOT a TRANSFORMER fan. Or, if you are both like me, at least BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT will be worth looking forward to, and it will NOT DISAPPOINT.
At least Batman doesn't transform into a meteor. Or have a truck with flames. Or indistinguishable character designs or an atrocious script and director. Sigh. It's a sad time to be a TRANSFORMER FAN.
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Yeah, it's kind of distracting. As someone from the Cities, it seems like Gotham is the place where I go to when a band only goes through Chicago and not MPLS or STP.
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Are you being paid by Warner Bros apolo_sputnik? Cause you should be. Hahaha...
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in comics & graphic novels and animation and toys, and yet some people whine about the scar. it fits the style of Nolan's version perfectly.
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Christopher Nolan is obviously trying to make his Batman universe more realistic, more believable. What's cooler actually - a guy who falls into acid and comes out with scars that happen to form into a permanent grin, or a guy that used to be good-looking who goes insane and cuts a grin into his own face? I'll take the second one, thanks. I'm not sure that that's exactly what happens in the film, but it looks that way. Whoever thought Nolan's version of the Joker was going to look like Nicholson's or any other classic version of the character didn't pay much attention while watching BATMAN BEGINS. Carry on.
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EVysther could you please stop crying over this picture and wait for the movie? Your opinion is appreciated and heard, but now i think we can move on. If the movie is awful, i will be the first one to say you were right - but until we can prove otherwise, judging on one picture and all the assumptions you laid out is just jumping the gun. It's illogical and at this point too early. I appreciate your opinion. But please, don't be offended when i say it's time to shut the fuck up. Thank you very much.
Your friend,
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Part of it is, I am a bit of a purist, and while I do like the idea of frightening Joker, I'm sorry, the make-up design is AWFUL. Just AWFUL.
The entire point of the Joker was you weren't supposed to laugh or scream at his appearance, but this is just plain LOUSY.
I agree this may be just a teaser and his appearance may change through the course of the movie, but, the Joker is an ESTABLISHED CHARACTER with a definite look.
You screw with beloved iconic images, people get pissy faced.
Artisitic liscence is one thing, but a good example would be SPIDERMAN 1 & 2's villains.
The Green Goblin? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING???? A friggin' Transformer look?
Dr. Octopus - ahhhhh, much better, nicely done with enough tweaks to work in the film.
As for Ledger as an actor? I stand on my opinion with NO apologies offered - he sucks. Period.
And, NO, that is not a gay referenece, but, I must say Brokeback Mountian was the most pointless flick I have EVER seen.
So what about the gay cowboy schtick?
IT'S A LOUSY MOVIE PEOPLE - DEAL WITH IT!
I guess time will tell, but, I will say this:
It ain't looking good.
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Jack Napier in BATMAN (89) doesn't fall into ACID (that would obviously kill him). he falls into some poisonous and/or chemically dangerous liquid, which turns his hair green and his skin white... and LATER, the doctor who operates on him says something about severing some of his facial muscles, which causes his permanent grin... I find this both believable enough AND comic-ish, and therefore better than Nolan's realistic style... after all, these are supposed to be COMIC BOOK ADAPTATIONS
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Please read above or reference this updated version if the first one didn't get through to you. This is the cliff noted version:
Dear EVysther,
... Please, don't be offended when i say it's time to shut the fuck up. Thank you very much.
Your friend,
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On the other hand, at least it's not based on San Fran. Everytime I watched a Batman movie, I'd think to myself, "Why would anyone want to live in a bay, on a isthmus that's a hill, that's on a fault, where it's foggy all the time, where the people suck, and you pay $1100 to live in a cracker-box?" It would just be distracting.
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...shut the fuck up? Exactly why Wouldn't that offend him. This place is like a verbal war between people who want to suck Nolan's cock and people who want to castrate him...Why can't you just share your opinions/news without resorting to being total total bawbags?
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I'll state it this way for you:
Take your own advice and go away if you disapprove.
If you don't like it, don't read it - and stop responding.
Thanks again for your participation, buddy.
EVysther
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I'm sure The Joker is working on whatever trick lurks underneath the completed picture...anyway, I'll be checking back tonight---hope those last few pixels are gone by then.
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YOU'RE THE ONE WHO CAN SUCK IT.
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Mr. GlenyD, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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San Fran is full of homosexuals, which probably means it would be worth taking the risk for a straight guy to move there and try to get some action with the women....But then this has nothing to do with the Batman movie and is probably a lot of bollocks anyway. The scars could be better than they are.....Hehehehehehe. Ahahahahahaha, as the Joker would say.
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RIGHT ON, BROTHER!
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Evy, Glen, buddies. I'm sorry. <3
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have heard many insane idiotic rants can you then Mr Claudio. Away and cook us all up some Tapas, there's a nice immigrant.
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...I'll stand up for your right to a coherant opinion any day. Some people can't stand criticism.
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First, I don't think all the pixels will be going anywhere soon. Whether it is real or fake, the site wants emails, and by leaving at least a few of the pixels people will keep entering their addresses. It would be against the people responsible for the sites best interest to remove all the pixels. Also, I emailed the reponse from the page back and got this message and got this:
People always ask me about my charming boyish smile. Jessica used to love it. She was the loneliest girl in high school, and my first big kiss...
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I remember reading somewhere, I think it was about Kingdom Come or Infinity Crisis that Gotham was meant to have more in common with New Jersey. But I could be wrong.
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if they make that i swear i will walk to Tibet on my knees. Bale as Bat, Vinnie Jones as Dredd, designs and stuff by Bisley, directed by Luc Besson...just the idea of it makes me happy.
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First off, your assumption that i am spanish is wrong just like your comments ... Secondly, with a name like "Gleny" my assumption is that you enjoy bagle bites for lunch and masterbate quite regularly. Good luck with that fuckwad.
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vinnie jones as judge dredd sounds pretty fucking perfect actually. it's probably the only non-hooligan role he'd ever be fit to play.
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but when you repeat the same shit over and over, that's just retarded. It awesome both of you found each other. Now you can hold one another and cry.
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"Bagel" bites and "Masturbate" and I didn't call you Spanish, and you started it. So I win and you are the cunt.
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I live in NYC and there is a shortage of available hetero males. Women looking for a man have a rough time. Hell, even Trump gets some...but then, he's filthy rich. Maybe that's my problem.
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...I wasn't repeating myself fool. But you are beginning to sound a bit like a stuck record yourself.
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Let's all try it, just for a while.
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I'm jumping on the next plane to NYC Cheer.:-)
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we're on the internet you moron. I got a little hobby for you. Why don't you go and edit all the typos in these posts, seems like you got the time. I'm done. This is stupid. Cry all you want.
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But whenever you voice a personal opinion on this sequel that isn't 100% stoked about it, you get barked at by someone. It seems they are not even willing to entertain the alien notion that it might not be a perfect movie. I thought Burton's Batman was going to be perfect before it came out, Boy, was I ever wrong. The lessons you learn when it comes to comic book adaptations.
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Glad to hear you're done fool. Now leave us. Your presence is irritating to us all.
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Ok, you're right. I think we all learned a valuable lesson and that is to respect one another, care for one another and most importantly - it's just a movie. For now on EVERYONE will get along. Much love and respect. Cheers
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*rolls his eyes and whistles a happy little tune*
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...Reconciliation accepted Claudio.:-)
Take care Sir.
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Is this barney your fault EVysther? ;-)
I'm looking forward to the new Bats film, I just wish it was out now....Man, it's a pain waiting ages for these things to get made.:-( -
I tried you piece of shit. I wanted friendship but you're a fucking baby . I hope this movie is fucking awesome so you can remember how much of a bitch you were. Everyone here is my witness. I tried to be friends.
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It fits in perfectly with the world Christopher Nolan created in the first film. Can't wait.
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To be friends...If you'll notice the time of the posts Sir...At least be consistent...Christ's Sake...Yeah, I'm sure everyone here is a witness to that.
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I didn't see your above message, only the one with hurtful comments...i take it back...
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..not to worry.:-)
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No, let me answer! An English teacher!
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Ooooooommmmmmmmmmm..
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare.
Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
Rama Rama, Hare Hare. ;-)
They should have some Krishnas dancing with the Joker in the new movie...Hahahaha, that would be funny. -
..it wasn't that weak a comeback. Someone DID die and made me an English teacher. :-( Mr Lawrence who took Class 2B....
Naaah, just kidding.
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Just got the Jessica email. Awesome.
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How do you fuck up the look of the Joker? I didn't even know it was possible to do that. But I guess "some dude who got shot in the cheek and then smeared on too much lipstick like a three-year-old girl playing dressup with her mommy's makeup" is definitely one way to take this classic villian and then take a fat shit on him.
Maybe it's just unflattering because it's so close-up. Might look a little better when it's pulled back. But I mean... damn... that looks unbelievably bad.
Maybe it'd also help if he was SMILING. "Emo Joker" wasn't really what I expected either. -
of a sidewalk? Nasty!
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Every geek(self included) always asks for a dark dark comic book adaptation...it appears we have one. Are we 100% sure this is real?
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Seriously just shut up.
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seriously, what the crap?
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So I guess you agree that you're a witless twat?
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The only way i see this joker happening is if he has the hollow eyes like someone alluded too...
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not to mention the Flames on Optimus, or Gwyneth in Iron Man. Seriously, I prefered the fake photoshop we had a few weeks back (no, not the Conrad Veidt, the "Ledger with a multicolor sheet of paper in his hand") but his eyes are creepy enough. Gotta ear his laughter, and apply the lipstick better. ANOTHER color of lipstick.
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Easy: Colonel Activity. Because he's the most handsome.
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The grin will sell it. That's why he isn't grinning here and his eyes are closed, they don't want to give that away. My guess is that he'll shoot Gordon's wife as opposed to shooting his daughter in The Killing Joke. Gary Oldman's role should definitely be bigger than in Batman Begins.
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I mean,,that pic is too close up. i wanna see the whole shibang a bang..with wacky green hair . will it be lank and stringy or slicked back and styled?..i thing if his hair is back, and hes in a fucked up purple hued suit,it might look a lil better..so ill hold judgement till then..and i wanna see a smile, thatll really show if hes gonna look crazy or not
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Kind of like how I pointed out how you're a total douche and have nothing to offer anyone at any time. 20,000 people in America kill themselves every year, why can't you be one?
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Creepy look, better than Crispin Glover with make up.
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discuss films and art and things like that, find creative input,a place where the movie industry could go to get a feel of the fans reaction,without having to skim over the rantings of a bunch of kids insulting each other. do we need a filter?
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Only after 420 can the fanboy say that Nolan's Batman is realistic. Get a clue...
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It's amusing how people can go insane over a robot...
by jackpumpkinhead
...because it looks just like the toon robot that they know EXCEPT that it has a few flames added on its chassis - but they're masturbating over this disgusting travesty. By the way, I first thought only of Dead Presidents, but now that I looked at the abomination again, it reminds me even more of that freak "musician" that named itself after Charles Manson. I guess if they got Nolan's "realistic" take on Spiderman - a hairy mutated man-spider creature a la Jeff-Goldblum-in-The-Fly - they'd be ejaculating over how "gritty" and "creepy" it was. (By the way, learn some more adjectives other than those two, will you?)
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much more menacing than that.!!!
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What are you 12? Did you want me to give you a wedgie because you love the way they feel?
Pissants always have this weird, slightly gay, puppet master bullshit they reach for when they're being verbally sodomized.
Consider suicide because as bad as your life is now, it'll seem 1000 times worse when you're in the exact same position in 10 years. Do yourself and everyone who has the misfortune of coming into any kind of contact with you a favour and hang yourself from a doorknob now.
I didn't say try to think of something to come back with. This is the end of the interaction: you can either kill yourself or further validate my assertion that you should go kill yourself. -
there are plenty of rainbow themed places for discussing "art" and "cinema". This is for movies and was run this way long before your busted up ass got here.
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but im not interested in pointless rantings.boring waste of time.
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I wish this Joker would get his hands on George Bush and show him wonderful new things...
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Don't show up and expect to change things because you don't like'em. Like I said, this was the way long before you showed up. Either deal or gtfo.
Art, cinema, and movies may be related but the terms carry very different meanings especially in their usual context(s) and source(s). This place is for movies. You want to room down the hall. -
When the real one is pretty much completely revealed? Get off your ass, AICN.
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personally and physically
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If it's real I'm very excited to see this movie already, and it's still a year away.
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My worst fears have been realized. This is so disappointing for a number of reasons:
1. Christian Bale is a wonderful actor and, in the right Batman universe, could be the definitive onscreen version of the character.
2. Nolan is a great director, but he is not suited for Batman.
Let me expand on the Nolan issue, because I'm assuming there's no argument with Bale, because he's easily one of the best actors working today. Batman is so rooted in the noir genre that it sucks the life out of the character when you try to make it ultra-realistic. He lives in a fantastic world, full of costumed criminals in which he fights for justice. Now, a bunch of the glaring problems with BB were with the dialogue, which Goyer was largely responsible for. Yes, the dialogue in BB was atrocious much of the time. However, this 'realistic' take on Batman is, I'm sure, Nolan's idea, and it quite frankly sucks. Wasn't it Frank Miller who essentially said that these characters work best as the fastastic, iconic characters that made them popular? When you boil them down to be realistic, it just makes them boring as shit. Case in point: Batman Begins. I don't think I was excited at all during the movie, save for the moment when Batman turned the card over at the end to reveal the Joker. The whole movie was just so...plain. Take, by contrast, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, a film that utilizes the noir influence on Batman to create maybe the definitive portrayal of the character in movies. Mask of the Phantasm is interesting, intriguing, wonderfully plotted and imagined. Hell, even Tim Burton's Batman (1989) was entertaining, and while it wasn't faithful to the comic in terms of facts, it was faithful in spirit. Nolan's Batman is the equivalent of Law & Order. It's paint-by-the-numbers, takes itself too seriously, and ultimately is boring. And I don't dislike Nolan. I love Memento and The Prestige was my favorite flick of 2006. But that doesn't mean the guy is right for Batman. *Sigh* Maybe a reboot in a decade or so will get it right. -
around here, we call that 'getting yer red wings'. great job with the viral marketing, wb... very impressive. that shit is creepy
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this has to be the happiest looking Joker I've ever seen. It looks like he wants to go door-to-door for UNICEF, that's how happy he looks. Not a care in the world. I think he and Bats are going to be bestest friends.
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Joker is not scarred, he grins because he is ape-shit insane. He is not a dark and brooding killer, he is a garish and manic disassociated sociopath who delights in his plans and schemes the way a brilliant yet spoiled teen would in playing a video game seeing the deaths with the same moral weight. He is not intimidating to look at, what is so unnerving about the Joker is the ridiculous clown face that hides this homocidal sociopath who has no conscience and is all about the theatrics of his game. If you don't see this as "realistic" enough for a Nolan film, then I guess I don't like Nolan films because in MY reality, I have seen people wear garish purple suits on the streets. I have seen pictures of John Wayne Gacy and did not see a scarred maniac but someone who looked as normal as you or me but hid a dark sick twisted persona underneath. Villains who look like villains aren't nearly as scary as those that look safe and friendly. Hitchcock believed that the villain must look like a real charmer or he could never get close enough to his victim. I don't doubt that Heath Ledger will do a fine job playing the creepy horrific looking serial killer that stalks Gotham's streets at night and comes face to face with Gotham's Dark Knight Detective, but I sure as Hell don't believe that the character he will be playing will be the Joker...unless of course all of this has been the most elaborate hoax of all time and none of this is true. That is what I'm hoping for. An eleventh hour reprieve that will save this movie. And wouldn't that be perfectly in line with the Joker's modus operandi? Here's to hoping! Ta!
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That's a strange bit of advise to give after I'm already done with him (by done I mean I slapped him around till I realized he was handicapable).
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There's nothing else like it on the Net.
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torture Sean Hannity to death. He's the biggest piece of shit this side of Bill O'Reilly.
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Remember a film called BATMAN BEGINS? Yeah, now please calm down and look at the larger picture before you all start throwing your toys out of the cot.
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Talkbackers need to calm the fuck down.
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like an unpredictable asshole who will kill at the drop of a dime. It's too bad he didn't exist; if he did, he would probably kill Karl Rove by sodomizing him will a broomstick...kind of like what Sean Hannity thinks should happen to minorities, because he's a pieve of shit. In fact, every neo-con supporter deserves to die.
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How the hell can people dismiss an entire movie based on one goddamn picture?! jesus, you must be joking me (no pun intended)
thank god none of you are professional movie critics otherwise you would never have jobs.
I have complete faith in nolan, bale, ledger, and the rest of the amazing cast in this film to be certain it will kick total ass.
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yeah I agree with the criticism of being too good looking. But my point is stated more accurate when refering to his inability to emote facially. The pic looked like a calvin clein model with face paint. And I strongly agree Ace bandage. The Joker needs to be as unrealistic as possible. Thats what scares the shit out of everyone and makes him one of the most feared villians in the DCU. He is flat out insane with a single minded manic life purpose on death and mayhem. He is larger than life. Think an evil Micheal Jackson......wait... err. Well you catch my drift. i mean, I dont want the Joker to be real. You see unlike bats we dont need to know his motivation or his origin we dont need to empathise or understand, cause we can't. we need to bit shit scared of this crazy sonofbitch who has no fear (re: his immunity to scarecrows gas) and no conscience. Also he needs to stick with the look. The Jokers persona like bats is embodied in his suit and look. I agree somewhat with Mattyboy122 in that batman begins was not overly entertaining. I loved and however and do think it was the best comic to film adaption cause they pretty much nailed the batman character.However this part is so important. because the Joker is the ultimate antagonist for Bats. His foil if you will. But i think he is just being trewated as a slightly nutty villian with a dramatic flair.
I like all Nolan's films, however I do not like what I have seen with his Joker. Im hoping it turns out ok.
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The Joker absolutely MUST kill Maggie Gylennhal!!!
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He's you, Colonel Activity. Hats off.
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I've never seen talkback this long before.
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Acebandage has a point. In regards to Batman movies, this is two for two movies with an unnecssarily scarred Joker.
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They made me want to punch a baby seal.
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apart form getting them drunk and molesting them?
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I cannot WAIT for this now. Anyone know when we're going to see a trailer?
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The photo is done WOOOO!
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Than he can look like the greatest Joker of them all-Cesar Romero. Can't you just see Heath cackling "Ho ho ho...delicious!". And Bale needs to wear a grey leotard and get a beer belly so he can be the true replacement for the only real Batman, Adam West. He needs to have a full supply of shark repellant Batspray to fend off those crazy smiling Joker fish.
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He's not too good looking for the part. He looks like he couldn't buy sex in this pic. Even without the make-up, he's not that good looking; I'm better looking than him.
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And that's what I wanted. I want a psycho dark joker, note a clown Nicholsan Joker. And that pic is just disgusting.
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this is a really boring-ass, lame promotion that makes me wonder if the movie might suck. Who gives a shit about a picture of Heath Ledger's face smeared with make-up, etc. Fucking retarded.
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If you started hearing the pic laugh and its animated into a grin or something, id poo myself.
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im on a slow conection and it takes me ages to load it.nolan and the company peolpe must be rubbing their hands and calculating those $$$.
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must be a pain in the ass to shave around all those scars... which makes me wonder... about the original joker... if he didnt shave his facial hair would probably grow out green right? that would be something to see. A green 5 O'clock shadow.
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I'm guessing they'll play up more of the psychotic genius aspect of the character more with Ledger in the role. He does have to pull off the comedic shit well, though... Hopefully it'll translate.
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We dont need realism (or at least I dont) in my comic to film translations. It simply needs to take the characters and stories seriously. Thats where I think Burton failed and Nolan succeed with the Batman character. By the wway there is no f^%*ing way anyone can argue about Bale as Batman. He is perfect, and the highlight of begins. My fear is that Nolan has looked at the traditional Joker and said "no, cant see it working, I'll make him like this." Note I love the joker character but do not like his origin story in the killing joke. We dont need to humanise him please.
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Where's the moustache?
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Fell alittle sympathetic when you see this pic of the Joker, like how the character must feel. Also anyone got any ideas how he creates his gang of goons and whether it will show this in this version?
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people think this is more realistic than the comic joker? how the hell could you think that? he has a giant gash on his face forming a smile. how is that more realistic looking than a normal clown (comic joker). i'm sick of nolan's 'REALISM' bullshit. IT'S BATMAN. c'mon nolan.
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I already finished with you. If you're ever funny we can have at it again. As it stands all you did was back me up in nominating you for worst talkbacker ever. Now shut the fuck up you annoying little pussy.
You never really said anything back either. So fuck off pencil dick. Did you notice how long the nomination took to be 2nd'd? About 5 fucking seconds. So suck my nuts, assfag. -
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That face is freakin' terrifying! It doesn't get any better than that! Let's hope it's not a fake.
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This pic doesn't get me excited for The Dark Knight...Nolan's taking this realism thing too far....
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Some people believe Nolan can do no wrong and will make excuse after excuse for him ... but there is no denying that this is a shitty makeup job. This looks like total crap. Is this really the best Nolan's team could come up??
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...I totally agree with you re: Mask of the Phantasm. I remember seeing that in the theatre thinking "THIS is the Batman film that all the others should have been!" I think I'll go watch that now, actually. It's been years!
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I'm actually really psyched about this picture. I think we're gonna have one helluva movie.
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You do realize this is the ACIN talkback boards. Theyre kind of known for that.
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and 10% are taking a wait and see aproach. Only 5% seem to truly dislike it.
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This looks great, it is a fuckin disgusting pic and i love it. I almost puked when i saw it...perfect. Some of you pussies were crying cuz of that fake pic and you wanted him to be more sadistic and sick looking, well he does
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Is Dave McKean consulting?
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..first thing, whoopee. It's just a pic. I thought Bats looked retarded in the promo pix for Begins; then I saw what became the best film I've seen in 25 years. Second, I don't think it's the Joker in the movie...it's just marketing. Heath Ledger is perfectly cast as the Joker, and he's going to be a brilliant YOUNG Joker. Granted, I think Aaron Echhart is the REAL inspired casting---his Two-Face will be fantastic. Seriously, did anyone expect Cillian Murphy to be good as the Scarecrow? This movie will be on par with BB, but from a completely different angle.
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I moved the cursor around the page (mostly out of being tired) and saw something interesting. When I moved under the image, there's a box to input text into. I tabbed through the page and found that text box highlighted as well.
When I clicked in there and typed, I didn't see anything, but maybe there's something out there we should be looking for to put in there. -
Perfect. Now go cry in your pillows, you hater douches. Good day.
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hope he's got the force of nature personality nailed convincingly.
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You HAVE to expect a backlash, people here bitch about everything. People were bitching forever about that Optimus with lips thing, when a bunch of fucking transformers had lips in that cartoon, Optimus just had that face guard, which they should have left on, but who gives a shit. Anyway, back to the matter at hand. I think the Joker looks sick! I've been a Batman fan for a long time and while I understand why people want a "traditional" joker, I'm all for re-inventing the look. Now, if he isn't maniacal and bat-shit crazy, then I'll have a problem. But, the picture of Harvey with the eyes and lipstick scribbled over, makes me think it will be all good. People just need to realize that no one will top the Mark Hamill Joker, but did anyone REALLY want a copy of that? I can count tons of different looks for the Joker, from scarred to queer makeup wearing loonies, but the all acted the same. Look at Tim Sale's Joker, he looks so cartoony it's crazy and illogical, but it's cool as fuck. I guess my point is, as long as they get the attitude, the Joker CANNOT suck. I can't wait to see a trailer, but it will be a while, I'm sure.
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...from a goofy Boy Scout to a psychopath. Why not try the realistic approach? Is one friggin' picture going to make you scream "they ruined it", already? Please. Grow up.
My take? This is Tyler Durden wearing clown makeup. (Although obviously, Tyler proper would be Two-Face. But I digress...) Think about possibilites, toss out all your preconceptions, and savor the possibilites.
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sorry bs b.
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"Is one friggin' picture going to make you scream "they ruined it?"
Exactly. At the end of this I'm saying he looks better than I expected him to and I expected A LOT. They've knocked it out of the park in terms of his face. I can't wait to see and hear him in action. This will be a Batman movie but it's really about The Joker. -
Just when you thought he couldn't make himself look any worse he reaches up his swollen ass and pulls out a hamster.
Golf clap for retards everywhere, BSB your king as knocked the floor out and lowered the bar for you all yet again. -
Or do Yackbacker and BSB hate fucking everything?
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Hmm.
I'll have to remember that when I make my documentary on the affect violence, disturbing images, and gore have on the average moviegoer. -
This Joker looks nothing like the one in the comics for the past 20 years. I like it that they went for the whole crazy alex from 'a clockwork orange' angle on the character as it matches up with several takes on the Joker (most notably Grant Morrison's in Arkham Asylum and his recent issue of Batman). BUT, the look is all wrong. At least what I've seen thus far.
That being said, I'll still see the movie with an open mind and I'll probably like it because I love the team behind it and I loved Batman Begins.
I do think that do to the fact that the creative team had such critical success with re-inventing the franchise for the movies (so to speak) that they think they have some room to maneuver when it comes to the look of certain bat-characters. I think that is true for a lesser-known Ra's Al Ghul. Or the batsuit and gadgets even for the batmobile (which has changed so many times over the years). But the Joker has always pretty much looked the same. Screwing with that is equivalent to flames on optimus prime IMO. Or nipples on the batsuit. BUT, if anyone can make me a believer Nolan can. Good luck dude. -
I hate to burst your bubble and the bubble of those like you but this character is not in fact a real person. Accuracy is abject in the interest of entertainment and that's absolutely allowable since these characters have and always will be ficticious.
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1) In Burton's 1989 Batman the reason Joker ends up with that facial scarring is because when he fires at Batman after shooting Lt. Eckhardt Batman deflects the shot with his gauntlets and the ricochet hits Napier in the face, severing the nerves. That's what fucks up his face. And then the surgeon can't do much about it, and comments as much to the newly reborn Joker.
2) Other than very recently in Grant Morrison's Batman run, the Joker has never had any facial scarring whatsoever. In the original source material when the Joker falls into the vat of chemicals they bleach his skin and hair, however his lips remain normal. He isn't given a permanent smile by the chemicals. The Joker is capable of a normal human range of facial expressions. He smiles a lot because he is insane and delights in doing fucked up things to people. He does this a lot, and hence smiles a lot.
3) Recently in the comics the Joker was shot in the face at point blank range by an imposter dressed as Batman. Subsequent to that in the prose issue written by Morrison (I think it is Batman #662) he cuts his cheeks open and sews it shut again, Ichi the Killer style. It's implied that this scarring may be permanent, but when the Joker shows up in issue #50 of DC's 'Countdown' maxi-series he does not appear to have any scars.
4) There is no reason why Joker needs to be deformed. I personally think it detracts from the character. He is scary enough without having to make him physically disturbing.
5) Out of all the characters in the Batman rogues gallery, The Joker should be the easiest to translate into film as his whole point is that he is an aberration. He is theatrical and dramatic. That doesn't mean he should mince around like Caesar Romero did. He should act the way that Hannibal Lecter does, but with the occasional, dark, scary laugh.
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would paint.
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Tried twice and failed to get emails both times. I'm assuming others will be picking up the slack. ;)
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it just looks awesome.
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That Joker is one freaky, scary, upsetting, disturbing mother. If he doesn't look to you like your comic book Joker, then try to remember that the comic books will always be there...this is a movie. I happen to think this movie will add to the Batman mythos, not take away.
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but i like x-menTLS. so what do i know.
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'Cause that sure as hell ain't the Joker...It's a drag queen after waking up the next morning.
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As with what you said earlier about the "foreigner" issue, Nolan is just choosing good actors, and there's a lot of top quality british actors. I would have loved the Joker to be skinny and have a pointed chin just like in the comic, but the Batman universe is so rich and well-established that to do a different version-Elseworld you could call it-just enriches it. And i do enjoy the gritty tone and above all the intelligent storyline in Nolans take.
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but so did Batman, Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul and the Batmobile, so I'm not really surprised/disappointed. Sure, Batman's my personal favorite superhero and I'd love to see a Batman film that's really great and exciting and all that, but I'm way past having any hope. And yes, I will go see it in the theater when it comes out if only to satisfy morbid curiousity and to inform my opinion. This, too, shall pass.
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I think it was caused by a gun shot wound. The left side of his face being the exit wound, that is why its 'puffed out'
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jesus. I'm sorry but you guys complaining about the Joker are just pussys. Dont see the movie and stop complaining if you hate a picture so much.
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And I'm the best looking guy ever. Turdstrussel
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This looks considerably darker/more realistic obviously. I can't wait to see what he looks like on screen while acting. . .the Joker is a hard role to play, but I trust Nolan because Batman was a hard role to play, too. I'm shutting down my spoiler machine now so I can go into the movie not knowing any more. It's far more enjoyable that way.
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Catwoman: hooker turned thief / Maxi Zeus: mobster with god complex / Black Mask: mobster with parental issues / Ventriliquist: mobster with split personality / Mad Hatter: mind control freak / Deadshot: expert marksman / Bane: steroid-using mastermind (I think Ivy, Croc, Man-Bat, Clayface & Mr. Freeze are out)
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Let's just face it. Everybody is not going to be pleased. Some people just can't let go of what they know the Joker to be. Me on the other hand I'm open for whatever they bring at me as long as its good. We should all know that anything other than what we have just seen will go against what Nolan is doing and will look too cartoonish. You know what though. The movie is a whole year away so just chill and wait to see what else comes out. Even though I like what I see, it is still only the face. I don't know how his outfit is going to look. How he's going to sound. How's he's going to carry himself. There's all that to consider other than the simple face we all just saw.
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Heath Ledger is a fantastic actor, Nolan a very good director, but this pic is not what I want to see. I'll always wonder what would've happened if Adrian Brody were Joker. I'll still see it, though.
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Ledger CAN act. After Brokeback, it's obvious that he has the potential to be one of his generation's great actors. You dont even realize that he's acting in Brokeback, the character just exists. I will not be suprised if he blows the roof off with his Joker performance.
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Oh yeah, Nicholson was a terrible Joker. It was what Nicholson has been doing for the last 20 years, which is too much Jack "I wear shades and bang a lot of women" Nicholson and not enough acting. Barely better than Cesar Romero. Hopefully, Ledger will not prance around to Prince.
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i just call em as i see em. you just got ,as the kids say, "owned", with a "p" substituting as the "o". nothin to get wack about, brah. life's to short, no?
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Even the defaced Harvey Dent pic mirrors the Joker, it looks like Dent's face is scarred under the red lipstick and has dark rims arond the eyes...subtle but very clever to indicate what the Joker would look like!!! Hurry up and Return Dark Knight, DAMMIT!!!
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I didn't fully appreciate Mr Ledger UNTIL Brokeback...the man has serious fucking chops, kidlets - and he's being directed by a master storyteller who knows how to cast, and how to work with ACTORS!
And get over the 'hoax' delusion. I know one of the main marketing folks at WB who was beaming about this Dent/Joker reveal - this person knows how apprehensive I was, but promised that loads would be blown (not just with this reveal, but the eventual Two-Face showing that TRUMPS it).
As the great Ric Flair used to crow, "You don't have to like it...but you're going to learn to LOVE it!!!".
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It was really good. It's just... I wanted a little more batman year one, and a little less SUV. Hearing that Heath (Knight's Tale) Ledger was the Joker in the new one didn't excite me, but this picture looks pretty damn sweet!
The scar reminds me of the acid kiss in fight club. It has that gritty bubbly hideousness, y'know? Can't wait to see this. -
Give up. Fuck off. Kill yourself. With every word you type you validate my nomination that you are the scum on the bottom og the AICN barrel.
You're an annoying douche with no more sense that a bag of dog shit. You're not funny, insightful, or intelligent. So what can you offer? I mean besides saving the second most annoying person on here from attaining your title of queen retard?
When you parent's friends ask about how you're doing they just smile and excuse themselves from the room. -
Looking back to Rolling Stone's comment, I think Croc could happen in a variation. Look at the fourth picture here: http://www.bmeworld.com/amago/bodmod/index.html I can't see Croc being more than a background cameo like Mr. Zasz; but Croc could work as a gang leader. Ivy could also work with the deletion of the spectacular stuff. At her core, Ivy is a poisons expert with a black widow complex.
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reads like love to me.
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And I must say, now that it is much clearer and at a higher resolution it is growing on me...
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You MONUMENTAL fucking retard.
I said the pic looks great you fucking moron. I got on BSB cause he made some stupid post that wasn't funny nor constructive. Now you pipe in like a fat guy late to the buffet all pissed and not knowing where to direct his anger? Get fucked! You're in the running for biggest douche now! BSB has competition already? -
as you guys think. I don't think he'll die at the end either. Remember, that Nolan said he wanted to keep the focus on these films on Batman. Joker will probably be like Raz, and be on screen for about a half an hour.
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Tim Burton's film shouldn't have been called Batman. It should've been called The Joker. Since it was all about him, and had very little to do with Batman.
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All this Love all this Hate. Better than a Meh. I say let the lovehating continue because I need a few chuckles.
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I'd like some of the haters to make someone up and post a pic of what they think a Joker should look like...I bet it'd be crap, but you never know....
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Shit, you're probably right. Now I am sad. If it's going to be a disaster, I want it to be an amazing disaster. And he better not die. That's what Nolan has over everyone else at least.
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I don't dislike it, but I don't love it either. When Grant Morrison did this to the Joker a few issues back, I thought it was a bad call too.
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good point, vampirepacman. What WAS everyone else expecting exactly? Other than, "not this?"
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is the best thing that happened to the batman franchise. You all had your rediculous cartoon joker before. If thats what you want watch the original film. This Ledger joker picture goes perfectly with everything Nolan set up for the universe in begins.
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Agreed, I don't know why Morrison had to do that..
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It's just fucking weird if you look at the whole promotion and the picture together. The site itself is all like making fun of Dent and such... so then you'd think when the picture comes up, it would be like a happy joker. You know, um, smiling. Like "look at me." Instead, I mean, he looks like really, um... not emotional at all. Which is what, I think, makes this picture seem sorta crappy.
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That, Spiderman, and X-men we're the best cartoons shows in the 90's. That was a good time to be a kid.
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Put down the 'bad boy ' thesaurus and think before you type. This is like watching an idiot savant have a fit minus the savant.
Poo poo. Pee pee. I'm super clever right guys? No? awww Hulk sad. -
Hahaha...because, condescension AND sarcasm. Together. For the first time. But seriously, I'm curious, what was everyone else wanting? And don't post a picture, just say it.
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GET THE FUCK OFF THIS SITE THEN!
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perhaps party man has the best idea
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you really got me there. And J-Dizzle, too. You truly are a titan among men.
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Plus, I have to maintain my reputation as the "AICN Talkback feud" instigator. This usually works on the Conservatives vs Liberals talkbacks.
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Jeez who really cares if he has scars or not? All that matters is how he works in the story. I'm guessing all of you guys loved the Adam West show and believe that is better because the Joker didn't have scars right. Calm down this will be the kick ass movie of next summer. It probably will be better then anything coming out this summer.
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I don't think that this promo picture is going to sway me one way or the other on The Joker. All we get a good shot of is the mouth/cheek scarring, and while I'd prefer an open, smiling mouth I'm sure we'll get plenty of those pictures, eventually. This is too much of a tease to be critiqued so severely. You can't even see his eyes because of the shadow. But it does look pretty frightening.
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my bad :)
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Blabling about something NOT GOOD here is just insane...Ledger is going to kick some serious ass and THE DARK KNIGHT is going to be THE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER! Except the third part...
Gordon:''I never said thank you.''
Batman: ''And you'll never have to.'' ->This line made Begins so fucking good...And it's going to be better...much better
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I like the scars. It one-ups Burton, adding a more gruesome physical and psychological element to the character. One can picture him removing his red hood, seeing his disfigured face for the first time, then taking a knife and adding the finishing touch, cackling breathlessly. What I dislike is the lipstick. Lending feminine or "queer" characteristics to a villain (to heighten his villainy?) is the saddest cliche of all. Finally, a Talkbacker once suggested that the Joker have a face full of chemical burns. Damn good idea, Talkbacker!
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The people hating this fist pic will still see it. The people who like the look of this first pic will obviously see it. Too early for anyone to make a call to be honest. The film has not even wrapped yet !
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things! Bob, gun. Going to need a moment or two alone, boys."
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The Haters like the old Batman. Anything not in bright coloured, form fitting support tights is bad right ? Mwaa , kiss kiss princesses.
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Already you twits have overrated this movie and overhyped yourself. Congratulations.
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I'm not going to see any Batman film without nipples!
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But it's not necessarily a cliche here--okay, I'm tired and not so articulate, wasn't the whole concept discussed in Arkham Asylum? Joker was wearing heels the whole time, not to be feminine or "queer" but to prove one of Morrison's points. I really like it.
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Thank god this movie is nearly gruanteed to make money. Because if it didn't the fucking studio would look here and make fucking Batman and Robin again. Do you guys really want to go that way agian because last time i checked everyone in the universe hated that movie. I like the realistic batman, it has brought more to the character than ever before, and this is what batman needs right now. BB was awesome and the Dark Knight will be too. And pray to god that someone in Warner Bros doesn't fire Nolan and replace him with Joel S.
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is the biggest idiot in this talkback... quite amazing to watch...
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Never watched Batman and Robin, and I'm never going to! I might complain about Burton's movies, but at least he didn't totally fuck up. Damn you, Joel Schumaker!
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This is a Batman/Joker movie by the Nolan brothers who gave us Memento and The Prestige. The Joker looks sick and disturbing and that is absolutely awesome! I have a feeling this is gonna be the best comic book movie since... well Batman Begins.
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I've wanted to see a true dark batman movie for a long time now. The Burton movies were great I thought, but Nolan seems to be giving me what I've really wanted for a long time a scary Batman.
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Looks like he got shot through the face....
After Batman Begins, I'll DEFINITELY be there opening night for this one.
And like I posted over at moviepoopchute.com -- tim burton isn't fit to lick the sweat off of Booster Gold's balls in the realm of comic book movies. -
But this pic of the new joker is the scariest shit i've ever seen. didn't someone say there was supposed to be a video? hehehe oops. can't wait for a full on official pic or some video.
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Let us have a b-man movie that explore the fucked up mind that puts someone in a suit to fight crime. No jumping bat mobiles off roofs and all that. Just a good suspenseful thriller on the brain behind the bat. It seems like we get that, and then you gotta just throw some bull shit to the wolves, i.e. 10 year old shitheads with their moms and money in tow. Just do it right. PLEASE!!
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What the fuck is this crap picture still doing up? It's not the Joker. This has never been the Joker. He looks like a drug addict. Like Cain in Robocop 2. His makeup is a mess - this doesn't imply a criminal mastermind. It's stupid. The only way this garbage will work is: a) this is Heath before he cuts his cheeks open; b) this is Heath directly after a chemical accident and before he goes crazy; c) that isn't lipstick, it's the pigment of his lips stretched out by the chemicals. As long as Heath puts more makeup over this.... But I still don't see how the Joker would reveal himself like this. It's not terrifying, it's sick and disgusting. This pic is so off-the-mark, it looks like he's just given a blowjob to a radioactive cum-catching monkey.
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And this is what's wrong with these Comic Book film adaptations.
Most of you are putting down the people defending the "true" look of the Joker in favor of this "Se7en" style disturbed version. The problem is that you are all grown fanboys who can't let go of your childhood heroes. I'm not saying that you should cast them aside, but we shouldn't cut them off from children.
Ah, yes, children. Remember those? What we used to be when we found our comicbook heroes? These films don't need to be dragged into our reality, where we have to twist and turn them into something else entirely just so we can sit back and say "yeah, that's how it would REALLY be." They are SUPER HEROES. FANTASY. Batman can be dark and brooding, but we don't need this to be a super hero version of "Se7en".
I think that's what really turns the "true" fans off. Hollywood just can't make a decent adaptation that captures the heart and spirit of the books. 70's Superman and first two Spidey films came the closest. Speaking of Spidey, look at part 3. Too dark. Lost the kids. These aren't fun movies anymore. -
It's creepy and gross-reminds me of The Joker!!!!!! Hahahahaha
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Children have already gotten their versions of the Joker in Romero and Nicholson. Why not have an entirely new vision based on the reality of someone as sick and twisted as the Joker?
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At the time these stories were written in the '40s, they weren't geared towards children. They were visual pulp stories, a new medium with which to get across the crime dramas/adventures of the '20s and '30s. This was part of the whole complaint behind the influence to children (as comics as a whole were deigned to be only for children by the government) that got the whole Comics Authority Code instituted. The Joker, as originally created, was meant to be disturbing. This captures that.
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Those weren't the Comic versions either. Romero was a clown who wasn't threatening and the Joker was a deformed version of Romero. The comic version has never been filmed. Ever. Not in appearance and not in character. Neither has Batman. Nolan's take is close, but still not the comic's version. Hollywood doesn't trust decades and decades of success. They have to put their spin on things, instead of looking at why the comics have been so long lasting.
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the pulps were different than comics. Pulps were written for adults. Comics may have been targeting adults as well, but the writing was geared towards children. They were simplistic tales with long-john heroes. Adults could enjoy them as well as the kids.
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Admittedly, Batman was quite a bit more mainstream than a lot of the crime and horror comics of that day, but it was clearly inspired by pulp characters and was Kane & Finger's take on that genre as an antithesis to the Boy Scout heroics of Superman. Granted, it didn't take long for Batman to morph into the print version than inspired the '60s TV show, but the character and his stories didn't start out that way.
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And while I certainly agree with you that both Romero's and Nicholson's takes on the Joker missed the mark in comparison to the comic book, you can't deny that those were far more suited to children.
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If they were, they would realize that Nolan is taking the Joker back to his origins where is was a homicidal maniac not the Clown Prince of Crime he evolved into during the 50's due to the Comic Book Code enforcement.
Nolan's got it right, also any fanboi would realize that Nolan is using for his source material "The Killing Joke" and "Arkham Asylum". In neither is the Joker flamboyant but sinister and scary.
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or at least SOME kind of payoff for all the waiting... okay, we got the pic of the Joker... and at least we know it's complete now, because there's no more field to enter your email... but it would have been nice to receive at least some confirmation that this is REAL
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Exactly my point. Batman was created in 1939. So for over 60 years he has been successful as a childhood icon. Why are we so eager to cram him and his workd into such a tiny niche? It just seems selfish. Yes, of course adults find it cool to see him in such an adult and disturbed world. But that doesn't mean it's right. We still haven't gotten past Alan Moore's legacy. His adult take on superheroes in the 80's was trailblazing, but all these years later, we fanboys haven't shaken those stories. They weren't meant to completely transform all the other established heroes, but that's what has happened. And now it's affecting films. I guess I just feel lucky that I grew up in a time when I could read about superheroes without all the death and dreariness that pervades the material now. And I feel sorry for all our sons and daughters who will grow up in a less colorful world.
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I have been reading comics since the '50's and read the dull period of Batman and hated it even as a child. It wasn't until the 70's when ONeil and Adams brought back the early incarnations roots.
Sorry, I prefer the adult version of Batman. If I want the version for kids, I would watch the animated series, which is good, but not as good as the comics.
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I love the O'Neil stuff too. But they were still kid friendly. Dark, yes, but still enjoyable to both kids and adults. This new stuff is being aimed strictly at adults. Comics and film. (Graphic rape in Identity Crisis anyone?) It's not right. And you're pretty much getting your wish, in that adults are pretty much the market now and that market is dying because there is no influx of new blood.
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I likes. These movies take place in a more true to life environment than most (if not all) comic films. It worked with Batman Begins (which WAS the best Batman film to date). I'd much rather my Joker be scary, confused and bat-shit crazy than a gag-man. Heath Ledger is a good actor and Nolan has shown me he can bring out those things that are most interesting about Batman that were ignored before in the movies. Thus far the casting is top notch and there's nothing pretty about that Joker pic (in a good way). Those lumpy scars are already given me nightmares. Is it EVERYONE'S cup of tea...no, but it's appropriate.
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You do realize that Batman almost was canceled in the 50's too due to the Comics Approval Code. The stories got so silly that they really lost readers.
As far as comics being in danger of no new blood, comics actually went through harder times until Miller came out with the Dark Knight Returns and brought adult readers, who grew up with comics back into the store.
Comics aren't in danger. There are still many kid friendly comics in the stores even a kid friendly version of Batman.
I think with all the movies out, it has done more to bolster comic book sales and make more money for their creators. You also have critical hits like 300. I am not worried.
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I hear ya. Part of me longs for a more innocent and wholesome era of comics to take hold...than another part of me believes that the trend towards more reality based books is healthy. In the 30's you couldn't have had a super hero heroin addict, it took a few decades to tell that serious a story. Comics books evolve along with societies trends....and just a quick point, there was NO graphic rape in Identity Crisis. Everything happend off-panel...people die, peope get raped even in the comic world. It's something you either want to expose you're kids to or shelter them from...but it's here. Now if we can JUST get comics back in newstands...
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...but NO Dark Knight video for a LONG while. Not until Hallowe'en at the earliest.
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very voodoo-ish. I like. The dark knight is gonna be dark.
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Batman Begins is not a kid's film. Neither will its sequel.
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Instead of white skin, it looks like he's only going to paint his face to cover the scars
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Instead of white skin, it looks like he's only going to paint his face to cover the scars
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Instead of white skin, it looks like he's only going to paint his face to cover the scars
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I just find it strange that we adults need to have such an attachment to something as silly as superheroes. I'm one of them. I grew up on 'em and love 'em. But I find it really odd that we don't want to give them up. I'm willing to admit that they are silly. They always have been. It's about wish fulfillment and goofy costumes and goofier villains. All of you can't admit that.
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...so that links won't stretch out the TB. Like thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis. Did you honestly think EVERYBODY was purposfully adding spaces at the exact same spots on all their links?
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You and your dumb video bullshit. It's all fake, fake, fake. Shut up. Nolan is raping my childhood.
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I really do not have the energy to follow the TB through...but it's just a freaking pic. It looks real, and it doesn't look half bad. We have no idea how the story will play or what is in store. No one here has read the script or seen the movie yet...So give it a rest. I think it will work out cause i use the first movie as my defense...and you people bashing the movie? ONE still not even from the movie but a headshot.
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Having now seen the entire photo, I have to say I'm still very pleased. As I've said earlier, I think Nolan was smart to go with somebody who doesn't look like what we necessarily picture the Joker to be. If you have somebody who looks like another Nicholson, you'll also expect a performance that's just a replica, and that's something that this actor neither can nor should give. Instead they've taken what I consider to be a more interesting look at the character, one whose clownish appearance was forced on him but has been accepted only by necessity, used in the same way that Batman uses his fear of bats. Just as Batman accepted his fears and made them a part of his identity, so Joker has decided to accept his deformity as a part of himself and also use it as a weapon. Whereas Batman uses his symbol as a weapon against the "bad guys" (on account of his parents' deaths), Joker is bitter about his deformity and therefore uses it for societal revenge (as you can see in the fact that he defaced an ad for a popular, attractive attorney). Whereas the Nicholson Joker was quite simply crazy beyond the point of caring about right or wrong, this Joker is, I think, even more scary because he recognizes what he's doing is wrong, and while he seems to relish in it he does it not out of an insane sense of humor but because this revenge literally makes him feel happy. The Joker uses his villain identity as a way of taking peoples' frightened reactions to his scars and force it back at them as a form of revenge.
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But only a little. Remember there were all those reports going around that Ledger was on-set with make-up that looked like he had drawn it on himself? Well, that's what this looks like. Which has me believing that Nolan's Joker will be scarred only on the cheeks, without the facial discoloration. Sooo... how does he get those scars? Doesn't look like a chemical burn to me... which wouldn't bother me TOO much. Just as long as Batman still "creates" the Joker. If not, then... well, there'll be problems.
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I can see why there are haters but personally I really like this take on the Joker. The smile is key to the joker, and I think we are gonna see one truely disturbing grin which wouldnt be done justice in the first shot of him to be shown so it was left out, also Heath said that he will focus on the insanity behind Jokers eyes, again the eyes are barely open. So although this is the first pic of the joker, the one we will be seeing on screen will feel and look very different. Props to the marketing though gives everyone a taste without revealing the final complete look
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..Like Joker 89'..the way they are promoting Joker..Hope Batman IS the Focus in Dark Knight
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They sure are making up a lot for the subtle BB marketing. Very creative, I've never seen anything like it.
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Let me know.
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The guys at TotalFilm are claiming it's a fake
http://tinyurl.com/ywrh5g
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...wasn't flamboyant in the Killing Joke?!? That's why he shows up at Barbara Gordon's door dressed in goofy tourist gear wearing a sun hat and flaunting his camera; that'd be why he did a crazy musical dance number to drive Gordon mad? He was flamboyant as hell, he was even "fruitier" in Arkham, mincing about in the gayest fashion imaginable while still looking scary....you guys want to know the biggest problem with Ledger? He's the wrong physical shape (so was Nicholson; Romero was closer)..he needs to be very thin and very tall with good bone definition....
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Very promising, but can't help but be disappointed they showed him this early. What's up with this show everything a year in advance shit?
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..The Total Film article. Looks like they've been following this talkback pretty closely eh? They claim to have done the investigating themselves hahahaha, so unless some people on here work for them then they must be lying. It looks pretty real the pic. I know a lot can be done with photoshop, but my major problem is the obvious prosthetic devices on the wounds. Very good fake if it is one.
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I hear he just joined Slipknot...
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http://tinyurl.com/ywrh5g. hav a look. looks pretty legit to me but no sound. =[
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this is the correct one. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Halfricaun/teaser3.gif
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That link takes you to the totalfilm article
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yea i apologise in the second comment. its in the second one. i was reading the total film article. man really good hoax. but try the second one and take out all the spaces.
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Said Page not found...
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did u take out the spacing in the words 'album' and 'gif'??. =]
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TNT - you've hit the motherfuckin' motherload there Sir!!!
That's the real deal. No doubt in my mind at all.
Amazing...
Ledger looks nothing like the pic we see above from the looks of things.
Much more traditional - if the pic is genuine then it's pre total Joker-isation...
Well done Sir...
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The trailer is a fake. Several of the shots are taken from Batman Begins and there's a shot of a guy in a trenchcoat and hat which (if memory correct) looks like it was lifted from Se7en. Still, better than most fake trailers tho
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Thanks TNT....
That's made my afternoon. Looks great. They haven't messed it up after all! Yippee...
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...The the Jokey sure as hell isn't..at the start. That's new footage that is. Ledger in both instant flash close up and then medium shot in full Joker gear. How could that be faked? It's real.
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damn. man must have been a pretty well constructed trailer!!
glad to make your after noon GlenyD.
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..you get the shot of Dent talking to the public...could that be lifted from "Thank you for Smoking"? he was in that too...The Joker part is undeniably the real thing though I think. Looks expensive too with the exploding Bat symbol at the end...My money is firmly on leaked/genuine.
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..you get the shot of Dent talking to the public...could that be lifted from "Thank you for Smoking"? he was in that too...The Joker part is undeniably the real thing though I think. Looks expensive too with the exploding Bat symbol at the end...My money is firmly on leaked/genuine.
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Sleep Well Sir..Your mission here has been sucessful. Hahaha..We start construction of the new Death Star come the morning.:-)
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i'm not sure if its real or fake. i found it in another forum and found it to look pretty legit especially the snippet of ledger as joker.
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There is software that lets you play around with moving images - in the same way that you can create fake photos in photoshop by altering an already existing photo. I've seen it done several times. There was quite a famous fake Spidey 3 trailer where someone has taken shots from alien/aliens and played with it to make it look like venom.
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If it's a fake it's the best I've seen and I've seen quite a few of them....I think the Ledger shots are genuine...the rest could be put together with some effort, especially the groovy logo effects. But I am certain the Joker bit is real. Too much going on in the image- the movement, the playing with the hair for it not to be the real deal surely?
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..notice the slickness of the editing and movement between shots. It's too well done for a fake. They'd have to be professionals to get it so slick. I see wipes, cross-cuts etc. Very very good stuff.
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Notice the groovy pacing and fade-in, fade-outs, slap bang! Logo! End. Total classic teaser.
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Hmmmmmm..
Really? Are you sure about that?
Forget the wipes then and explain the shots of the Joker?
Watch it again...and again...hahaha, I'm certain it's the right look. And I'm pretty certain that's real footage...there are shots from Begins, but then you'd expect that as a "previously on Batman" type thing. Also the footage of Dent talking to the crowd.
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Right on, that rearview shot of that dude in the trenchcoat is definetly from Se7en.
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The shot of Dent if you'll notice he has Mr Dent written on the card on the table in front of him. And in the shot of the joker, he runs his hand over his head and grins slightly.
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Look at the Joker's hair..It moves..The colour does not look fake in the slightest...Surely if that was fake it would look crappy? I mean look at the fake pics we've had - and those were still images. This one moves! And the colour balance doesn't mess up atall. And in what other movie does Ledger look anything like that?? :-s
None spring to mind for me..
The trailer as a whole might not be the real deal, but I'm still convinced by the Joker (100%) and Dent (to a certain extent lol)..
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..the image was bigger. Hurts my eyes to look closely....
But if anyone can show me the unaltered footage from a Ledger movie that matches I'll accept your argument. Until that time I think that's the real deal. hahaha, can't see the glow you're referring too. I agree on the Dent thing being more easily faked. That's why I'm not totally convinced by that bit...But you have to admit if it IS fake, it's pretty bloomin' well done.:-) -
I'm in agreement with jfp2000 on this, except for the Katie Holmes comment (cause I didnt see her in this fake trailer). I see Maggie G though...and as far as I know they have actually started filmig. Thier pass the pre-shoot..
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man can't sleep.anyways looking bak at the thing i do see where you're comin from jfp2006. it probably is a fake but that joker bit is done really well IMO. o wellz this probably just shows how eager i am for any bit of tdk news or clips or images. cant wait for opening night!!!!! =]
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So it's very unlikely to be real. The guy with the trenchcoat and hat running through under a light is from the scene with Pitt chasing John Doe after they find his apartment. If you have a DVD of Seven go whack it on for confirmation.
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IT IS NOT KATIE HOLMES! you blind schmucks. The only part in this that appears to show fakeness is the Harvey Dent scene, SOMEONE TAKE SCREENSHOTS OF "THANK YOU FOR SMOKING"!
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..I've just been watching "Fan-made" trailers on youtube...and they can't really compare. Some of them are pretty alright, but none of them I've watched so far has anything approximating to that mid-shot of Ledger moving his hand over his hair in full Joker get-up...someone show me the film that was lifted from ASAP please.
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Atleast we know the Harvey Dent clip is fake. How about the Joker clip though.... everything else can be faked but that is last piece that puzzles me.
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I believe that the flashing image of the Joker is actually Mary Shaw from Dead Silence. I am sure most people didn't see that movie though. I have to say that this is a very well made teaser, but as stated before every scene has been lifted from something else. It was cool to watch though, and that's all that really matters I guess.
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May 21, 2007 8:21:01 AM CDT
Don't you get it? This photo is the real Joker's joke!
by stalin vs predator
And you all fell for it. Because it's obvious that your demigod Nolan wouldn't destroy such an iconic character so idiotically, would he? He wouldn't do a "Raimi does Venom", would he? Just as he wouldn't do anything as nepotic as Mr "we loves him, now we hates him" Raimi did, such as... oh, say, hiring his brother to work on the script - would he? Oh, wait...
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Sadly...I wish I was that good, then I'd get a job in the movies hahaha...And you haven't proven every shot is fake the Joker still needs explaining away
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The trailer's DEFINITELY a fake... Oh, an awesome one to be sure (love the effect on the logo): jfp2006 is completely RIGHT about the Eckhart footage, people... its even got the same lobbyist bozos sitting behind him BUT jfp2006 is dead WRONG about Mrs. Cruise being in the shot... dude, that's Maggie G, buh-leive me. Gotta say, whether we're talking (back) about the "face" or the "trailer", all of this "I'm SURE about this, YOU'RE all WRONG!" "No. I'm RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG!" "No, Nolan's RIGHT!!" "NO! NOLAN'S WRONG!!!" No, TOTAL FILM'S RIGHT... I mean, WRONG" - All this silly shit has me (and I'm guessing I'm not alone) starting to giggle like whichever manifestation of the Clown Prince of Crime we imagine in each of our feverish little imaginations. Whoever this joker (or TEAM of jokers) is who's out there coming up with fun, new ways to fuck with our collective expectations, my hat's off to you all, you've really got us running amok and snapping at each other! This is gonna be a fun (but LONNNG) stretch waiting for opening day. Insert maniacal - or wacky and ridiculous - or crazed and homicidal - or - creepy and unsettling (the choice is YOURS and YOURS ALONE, my friends) - here...
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I hate pseudo-typos (they're the most embarrassing kind): SHOULD wrote "buh-lieve me"... hmmm... at least, I thunk that's right...
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..on that damn Ledger moment as the Joker being explained away...
Is it? Isn't it? heelllpppp meeeeee...hahaha Aheheheeheeheeheeheeheeh A hoohohohohohohohhohhohohoo ahahahahahhaa ha -
is one of the stupidest I've read in a long time. But the Joker looks great, nice change.
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Good job Wormy T. I think I like your Joker better than the picture...Rats that it's fake though. Rats rats rats.
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Ending should read: "Insert maniacal - or wacky and ridiculous - or crazed and homicidal - or - creepy and unsettling (the choice is YOURS and YOURS ALONE, my friends) - LAUGHTER HERE... (I'm waaay too tired from reading so many comments... Oh, and have we set a record for posts yet? Does anyone know?)
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I've lost track of the number of Flame Wars going on in this single TB. Reminds me of the old days. Classic!
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...that there have been so many fake images of Heath Ledger as Mr. J floating around out there, that it is better to assume something is fake and wait for confirmation. I am not even sure that the smear campaign against Harvey Dent is real. If it is, then I am liking where they are going with the Joker. If it isn't, well, we all had a romping good time...SMILE!
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Just went back to http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com and the image if the graffitied campaign poster no longer dissolves to the image if the joker like it did earlier. Is this just my crappy PC being wierd or has anyone else found this?
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Are we sure this isn't Marlon Brando?
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Just went back to http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com and the image if the graffitied campaign poster no longer dissolves to the image if the joker like it did earlier. Is this just my crappy PC being wierd or has anyone else found this?
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May 21, 2007 9:31:07 AM CDT
Once again, fan creations turn out better than reality
by stalin vs predator
The painted guy in the fake teaser (too bad he's actually slicking his hair back to literally fit the leaked "Ledger's has slicked back hair" info - it's an instant giveaway), the Veidt manipulation (wonderful)... even the "fat guy holding a murdered Rubik cube" from two weeks ago or so... All better than this. Oh dear. And that is not to mention Andrew Koening in that other fan film - now that was a take on the Joker that was new and original but that did not spit on and stomp the true design. Unlike this garbage.
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Hadn't noticed until you said it, but this DOES look like Marlon Brandon at the end of Apocalypse Now.
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That's a great, great look. Fundamentally disturbing -- it's just so WRONG for a person to look like that, let alone accent that look with makeup in that way (if that's what the character does). Whoever all came up with that -- fantastic. Is that a bullet hole through the left cheek?
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around his mouth. Joker's been eating some bad puntang
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.....Is there such thing as a happy, satisfied geek? We wanted venom (most of us anyway) we got him, (i could've done without) people still complained...We wanted a GREAT Batman movie that was loyal to the COMICS and we got that in spades. Now Mr. Nolan and Co. are working their asses off to give us a Joker that is as REAL as possible....this is a guy who is really really really effed in the head...a sick sick sick man....his outside looks like his insides...and YET some of you guys STILL complain???!!!! wtf? What do you want? A scene chewing, 60+ Nicholson? A crappy paint-over-the-mustache Romero? For Jebus's sake friends...stand up and applaud this man of vision for giving us a JOKER that will make us vomit in terror! THANK YOU CHRIS! THANK YOU CHRISTIAN! THANK YOU HEATH! I am mailing all three of you specially tailored pants in which you can cart around your giant BALLS OF STEEL! Suddenly 2008 isn't as far away as it seemed....I am a very happy, very satisfied geek...as for the rest of you naysayers....SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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The "Joker" clip in the trailer is from the film "Candy". You can see a little bit of the scene it's lifted from in the trailer online (around the 1:10 mark).
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yep, that's a fact.
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I've read a LOT of posts over the last couple of days on this board and nothing's made me smile and nod more than yours. Hear hear! AKRay: Thanks for finding the clip, I love when someone with a good eye soves a mystery! Now, on the subject of posters who whine when Batman seems a bit too "adult" for the masses... I don't know how old this is (hopefully new to more than a few)... but I only just found it (first time posting a link, hope it works, close the spaces and all that jazz) it's a fan trailer for Morrison's aRKHAM aSYLUM: http://tinyur l.com/2 24gy9
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in that trailer behind dent!!!! Wait where the fuck did this come from.
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He looks like retarded ass Marolyn Manson (And you can kiss my ass if that's spelled wrong). The creepy thing about the Joker is he's always forced to smile, the fact that he's not in this picture sucks. I'm sick of movies trying to make things gritty and real. THESE ARE COMIC BOOKS! NOTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THEM IS REALISTIC! So work harder to make me believe in the world they live in, and just STOP trying to make me believe I'll walk down the street and see the Joker. I came to grips witht he fact a loooonnng time ago that my comic book heroes and villains were not real people. That's why I love reading them, because they're a bit of escape. I'm not apposed to some retooling to make them less campy, but for God's sakes just stop trying to make them real. This blows.
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... This looks like ass? If they wanted to create a whole new character, why even call it "The Joker"? How about "Asscheeks" or "Cerebral Palsy Lipstick Guy" or maybe "Avon Victim"?
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Awesome. Maybe we'll actually get an insane Joker after all.It's just too bad that most fanboys are such hypocrites. If it was exactly like Nichelson's makeup, they would whine. They plead for a "new, fresh approach," then, when actually given one, they whine. If one of the more infamous comic stories, such as Long Halloween, were translated directly to the screen, they would cry about no originality. Some people will never be happy.Not me, though. This rocks.
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It's an utter hoax. Don't be surprised if it gets pulled down tmz. It's so obviously fake - the lack of Joker showiness, plus his need for attention by messing up the Dent poster. That Joker pic just doesn't fit.
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exactly exactly exactly.....I am a DIE HARD GEEK PEOPLE...I have three spidey tatoos from my three fav artists....about 3500+ comics and just about EVERY superhero movie I can find....god help me I own BATMAN AND ROBIN...Way back when I read on here about Nolan doing Batman all of my fears melted away...this is a director who understands the most important thing about our favorite characters....THEIR MOTIVATION....what makes a billionaire become a half insane vigilante? What makes some two bit thug (?) become a sadistic MASS MURDERER? THESE are the questions that make this director and this franchise click...While it would be AWESOME to see direct storyline adaptations....(long halloween, secret wars, hell I'd love to see maximum carnage on the big screen) but duh....it would be FREAKIN IMPOSSIBLE....! So what would any writer worth his freakin salt do....? Borrow the little things that made those stories cool....and that is what Nolan is doing....one more thing...I know in gangland myth some snitches get their mouths sliced open from ear to ear....forever branding them with a big mouth. Could this be the cause for the scarring? One more one more thing....if a guy fell into a vat of acid...with or without a red hood...wouldn't he just fucking melt and die???
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The thing that makes me think it might be genuine it that it justifies the original ibelieveinharveydent poster.
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The true test will be Ledger's acting. Only a good story and a great performance will a true Joker make. Lipstick is just lipstick, and scars are scars. Don't cry, people, this will be okay. Unless we start hearing about rubber nipples, Venom, or emo-Bruce, I wouldn't worry.
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But I watched Spiderman 3, and I dont remember getting Venom. I dont think we even got a half ass attempted at Venom.
As far as the Joker, me personally do not want "a scene chewing, 60+ Nicholson? A crappy paint-over-the-mustache Romero?"
from what I have been reading on various boards, the vast majority of people do NOT want this. We still the more popular, well known version of the books, pyschotic, twisted, dark, charming.
I cant talk for everyone, but I always felt that the look of the Mr. J was important. I'm just saying I dont think he has to look the way he does, to portray those aspects of the character that I read. Something about that clown face in the books, combined with what was going on his head, made him very disturbing to me. -
But I watched Spiderman 3, and I dont remember getting Venom. I dont think we even got a half ass attempted at Venom.
As far as the Joker, me personally do not want "a scene chewing, 60+ Nicholson? A crappy paint-over-the-mustache Romero?"
from what I have been reading on various boards, the vast majority of people do NOT want this. We still the more popular, well known version of the books, pyschotic, twisted, dark, charming.
I cant talk for everyone, but I always felt that the look of the Mr. J was important. I'm just saying I dont think he has to look the way he does, to portray those aspects of the character that I read. Something about that clown face in the books, combined with what was going on in his head, made him very disturbing to me. -
It's a decent fake, but a fake nonetheless. The Joker footage is a repainted scene from the movie Candy (I didn't believe it until I saw the trailer for that movie, but it's definitely straight from that movie).
I actually hope the photo is real, because it is frankly scary as hell. The mouth slashes are nothing new, of course, but I've never seen them so well-done. The idea I get from the photo is that the Joker is someone who had something very, very bad done to him, and wants to do it to others..... brrr... -
It's a decent fake, but a fake nonetheless. The Joker footage is a repainted scene from the movie Candy (I didn't believe it until I saw the trailer for that movie, but it's definitely straight from that movie).
I actually hope the photo is real, because it is frankly scary as hell. The mouth slashes are nothing new, of course, but I've never seen them so well-done. The idea I get from the photo is that the Joker is someone who had something very, very bad done to him, and wants to do it to others..... brrr... -
If this image is correct (and I suspected they would go this route) I find it both unimaginative and a mistake.
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Bob Kane was a hack who took all the credit and did very little of the actual work. Bill Finger developed most of Batman, and Dc has had the good graces to actually admit this. Jerry Robinson probably came up with the Joker. Kane claimed that Robinson was full of it, but frankly anyone else has more credibility than Kane. Read Men Of Tomorrow by Gerald Jones for the full story.
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Bob Kane was a hack who took all the credit and did very little of the actual work. Bill Finger developed most of Batman, and Dc has had the good graces to actually admit this. Jerry Robinson probably came up with the Joker. Kane claimed that Robinson was full of it, but frankly anyone else has more credibility than Kane. Read Men Of Tomorrow by Gerald Jones for the full story.
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Does anyone who's complaining have an imagination. Look at this pic, imagine this thing smiling at you. That's going to be the biggest and vile cheese you've ever seen.
Also take note that there is no green in this pic because you can't see the hair. The skin isn't make-up (for the movie) it's chalk white and cracked, dried and scarred.
I think this inital shot is to kind of get it through the folk's at home's head that this isn't going to be the Joker (Mr. J) from the cartoon. This is the Joker. The nutjub who's so disturbed that he thinks killing people is funny. Forget about juicing people with Joker Venom to give them the ol grin a quick flick with a knife would do just fine. I can easily see this sick twisted man slicing off eyelids and affixing the old grin with a switchblade to the guards at the bank while his goons scream for him to "Come the Fuck on!" Then the joker stands and pops him in the chest for his difiance. -
The Joker's outward appearance contrasts his dangerous psychotic persona. He is dressed up like a dapper clown, not a Gacy wannabe. Whatever, some people just will never get it. Just to draw a comparison, I finally saw Del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth last night. Del Toro should just make a Pinhead movie and get it over with since he just can't pull away when he needs to.
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realism vein and not get more theatrical as I'd hoped. By more theatrical, it appears they meant more grotesque.
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http://www.mediafire.com/?djjcwmnpqys
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What's so realistic about "Batman Begins"? The ninjas? The Tankmobile? The Scarecrow getting tasered (a supervillain first)? Did anyone watch the film thinking, "This could really happen"? The film seems to take place in a world more visually recognizable than, say, Burton's Gothic (and awesome) Gotham City -- that is, it looks more like Chicago than a movie set -- but who cares? "Batman Begins": not to be confused with "Batman Versus the Bicycle Thief."
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You complained about the look of Nolan's Joker and other things Nolan did. You complain that he changed the material. You complain that it's not what you're used to. You're also the same people that complained about Superman Returns, a movie that stuck to the material of the prior films which people lauded. So, you don't like a fresh take on something and you don't like it when it sticks to the original. What do you like?
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Batman Begins is a good movie, I have very few problems with it, mostly because it got the character of Bruce so right for once. A grotesque interpretation of the Joker is obvious and it's also incorrectly gauging the character - it's reductive. It's one thing when it's Zzazz and that is the character, it is another to take a very interesting psychological villain who has more going on (done more in the style of Hitchcock) and turn him into a grotesque serial killer. Of course I could be wrong, but that is the message the image sends.
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boring thing they could've done.
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Superman 1 I absoutely loved (seen it over 200 times) Superman 2 for the most part I liked, but Superman Returns, I was just bored, it missed the magic, wasnt fond of the kid...it I can go on forever bt the reasons you say is not the case why I didnt care for it.
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if "you've ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight," I'll jump into vat of chemicals myself.
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It's funny how dog shit gets stuck to your shoe after your smear it isn't it?
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If the certain people complain about the fresh take Begins puts on things and complain about the homage that Returns took then what makes you happy?
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And at the same time he is. Throughout the entirety of Batman comic books and media he has been portrayed as a petty theif, a psychotic murderer, and nearly every step inbetween. So to peg him as one thing is to reduce his character. He is anything and everything that he wants to be.
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...some people will never be happy. In the end, you've got to aim for getting the character right, not making the fanboys happy. Besides, it's all about the script. Batman Begins' version of the Scarecrow really looked nothing like the comics version. He had a burlap sack, sure...but he was also wearing a business suit for the majority of the movie. And Cillian Murphy only bears a slight physical resemblance to Jonathan Crane. Tall and lanky. In the comics, he had a protruding nose, blond hair...and was just plain unattractive. But you know what? It wasn't about how the Scarecrow looked. It was about how he acted. And he was damn near perfect. They changed just about everything about him...but they still nailed the CORE of the character.As long as they get the character right, I'm happy. That said, I still like this design. But I'm going to see how the Joker acts before I applaud or discredit their decisions.
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The Joker's had so many portrayals over time that it's hard to pick one as "correct", it's just a matter of which is your favorite, really. The most important thing, thematically, is that he's completely insane. However they portray that doesn't matter as much as making sure that he is chaotic and unpredictable, because that is what really offsets Batman's attempts to force the world into order. Batman, on a deep level, is about cause and effect--a view of justice in which crime must be followed by punishment; his work as a detective, using reason to understand crime and criminals; his own strict personal code of behavior, designed in no small part to keep him from crossing the line and becoming a psychotic himself. Joker needs to defy all that, he needs to behave unpredictably, have no consistent goals, throw everything Bruce believes about the world out of whack by being impossible to figure out and understand.
As long as they play that up, I don't much mind if he's just a disfigured serial killer or a giggling harlequin with a flower that shoots acid. I'll admit a preference for the latter, but I like that for the first time with Nolan's movies we're seeing Batman movies about Batman, not about his villains. -
Batman Begins was fresh in its taking of the themes in the source material seriously and casting real actors. That is all the realism that is required in a superhero movie. The realistic settings and costuming did it no big favors in my book and were not fresh - this had already been done by such winners as Daredevil and Elektra. Someday, someone, somewhere will find a way to light Batman properly. Superman Returns was weird and off-putting. Singer should have made his own film instead of his creepy little ode to Donner.
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realism would let off and they would look more comic book and fantastical, but remain serious in their intepretation of the source material. Doing a realistic approach hurts Batman less than other heroes, but I think the image of the Joker here is a real damn shame.
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while i'll always love nicholson's joker. i think this is the perfect look for the joker in this new series. i love the fact that you can see his disfigurement. and, that he's covered said disfigurement with clown makeup. so, his face isn't a perfect clown mask as in most versions. he's actually a man with serious scars. and mental scars, as well, with the makeup. lovely. exciting. i'm down...
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So I think you're all on crack. Also, it will probably look quite a bit different when Heath is throwing out a psychotic smile from that creepy face.
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Yeah... now it says "Page not found," but if you sweep the cursor, you get hundreds of varying-sized "Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!"s. Simple, but creepy.
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hates My Chemical Romance and A7X, loves Enslaved and Einherjer. Also, it makes him really crazy when anyone mentions either 'juggalo' or 'emo'. He's touchy.
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Aside from the fact that you can't come back from them? The only coomonality is they're directed at your sorry fucking ass.
Just shut the fuck up already. You lost little bitch. Take your fucking dolly and fuck off.
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Anyone can figure why?
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is the secret message 'See you in December'. It was in the April Fools side as well.
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What's the point of this grotesque scarring? A PG-13 Joker will never live up to the promise this makeup would suggest.
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I think they're largely the same in that they're baseless and uninteresting. Seriously, you can't claim you're owning someone when all you're really doing is calling them names. I could think up an awful string of insults to throw at you now, but all it'd do is take up space. Why do you bother? I guarantee you no one thinks you're cool because you can call someone an "assfag" five times an hour.
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Hopefully they keep up the viral marketing and it's some clue.
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By all means amaze me with how funny and talented you are. I'll believe it when I see it. Otherwise, sit back down. Point is BSB is annoying. He's a pest. I pointed it out and the pest started to cry. He's been wheezing and heaving ever since.
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Will somebody tell me this? How come I have to sit through a kid friendly movie when I don't have any kids? All this talk about how the Joker is too scary young children is getting on my nerves. I don't care about your little rugrats and if you think its going to be that bad, then leave their asses home. If they want to see Batman let them watch it on KidsWB. On that note, we haven't seen anything else about the Joker, so we don't really know what he will be like. So just chill with all the, "OMG you're raping my childhood." and "OMG, you're going to ruin my childs fragile little mind." and just wait and see what they show us next.
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"I'll tell you what a real live woman feels like"? That's not funny. It's cliche. Is that supposed to hurt me feelings? Am I supposed to forget I'm engaged and touch a real live woman every day? Am I supposed to feel some shame that you out-witted me, when that is the most recycled bullshit insult on the board? Jesus, some guy annoys you, ignore him, don't subject us all to your totally banal and humorless insults. How can you possibly imagine that makes you somehow *less* annoying than anyone else?
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I agree. Besides, kids read the comics and to be honest, Joker hasn't been really happy go lucky like Romero's Joker. So it should come as no surprise as to what Nolan has Ledger look like or what this version of the Joker will do.
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It's a conundrum. We'd all like to see movies be a little more hard-ass sometimes, or at least we'd all like to see movies that are aimed more at our particular niche, but studios can't do that without sacrificing major profits. And if they sacrifice major profits, they don't give a major budget, and in many cases that means a movie that kicks significantly less ass. (see: X-Men vs. X2). Not a problem for personal dramas and comedies, but harsh for high octane action-adventure.
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I don't give a fuck about your back seat criticisms. He annoyed me and here we are. Don't like it? Feel free to take your own fucking advice and ignore it.
You can't say shit about originality or wit until you display some. Or anything really.
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Highlight the page on Joker site to reveal a nice message.
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He's just kind of a mess. Not scary really. I just can't picture an evil grin coming from that face, can you? http://ridingwithricky.blogspot.com
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Sums it up perfectly superninja. This is indeed a colossal mistake on Nolan's part. Ok, we get it, they're trying to avoid being campy. That still doesn't excuse how ininspired the Joker looks. I wanted a bit of humor and charisma, not an x-files inspired freak of the week. Nolan fucked up again.
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...but it's certainly not the Joker. http://ridingwithricky.blogspot.com
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Part of the Joker's charm, if you will, is that apart from being completely nuts, he gets people going that he's a mastermind and can pull stuff off. This guy looks like he can't even draw his lipstick on straight! He looks like a loner, not the type of guy to organize things. Also, I still think the cut face look is damn predictable and boring!
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It's not so much about me wanting to see a hard ass version of Batman. My whole gripe is that we have only seen a glimpse of what the Joker will look like and already people are saying Nolan is going to give him the Silence of the Lambs treatment. We all know he's not and that the WB would never allow that. The movie is going to be PG-13 so there will be some things that may disturb some kids. So in that case, leave them at home because they don't have to see it. Anyway, this is all talk and people don't know what they want until they actually see it. If the picture we saw of the Joker was too cartoonish, everybody would be saying what's up with that popcorn candy coated bullshit.
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the psycho dandy as he becomes a respectable criminal instead of a common thug. Personally, I don't feel the need to "understand" the Joker, he is more interesting the less you know what motivates him like most villains. The most recognizable version of the Joker IS the psycho dandy. There have been variations on this or reimaginings, but the audience is certainly familiar with the Joker. Everyone knows the Romero version was campy like everyone else in the Batman t.v. show.
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Well the page is not there anymore. "Page not found."
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Revisit the page and select all. It says more than "Page not found."
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PageNotFound HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
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Highlight the page to see what you find.
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Yea right, like the Joker would be part of the "DaKoTa FaNnInG RoCkS My SoCkS OfF" group.
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And morph into the classy, sophisticated killer we've come to know?As Goyer has said, Joker is a two movie Villan...the dumbest thing Burton could have done was kill off the Joker. He's just a small time crook now...he's got to build up his empire first....Ya'll need to calm the hell down...I love this direction...Less Cesare Romero, Less Prince...more batshit crazy...I'm in.
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So I highlighted the site and noticed there were letters scattered throughout, excluding some random letters it said something along the lines of "SEE YOU IN DECEMBER" Maybe there will be an update to the site or a trailer then. Crap, 7 months.
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Remember, you heard it from me first. Peace.
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...the more I love it. When I think of what Ledger's normal real-life smile looks like and then imagine it paired with this scarring...it CREEPS me out. And I think that is what best encapsulates the versions of the Joker I like best = someone who gives you the totally terrified creeps.Someone on RTs perhaps said it best: "That face says to me: Total moral desolation; corrupt beyond any hope of retrieval."That's exactly what I want out of this Joker. Someone with a simultaneously goofy yet demented sense of humor who (on the turn of a dime) scares the everlovin' shit out of you.I know a lot of you comics kids are up in arms about the realism and so forth. But I think you're missing out on the horror aspect of the Joker that IMHO has been missing for so long.I'm VERY interested to see what Ledger and Nolan do with this.
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the Joker is his vanity. It's completely ridiculous given his circumstances, but the character takes his appearance very seriously. Ledger looks like he can't even handle a rag on a stick in this picture.
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Went through all the HAHahaH's myself and it indeed says "see YOu In DECeMbER" Definitely hope it's a full blown trailer. That would be great. Just a little trailer showing a little footage. Getting me going for July 18th 2008.
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I love the Blog entries - I buy that it's a real deal Joker site. Nice work on McJake.
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He has no mental scars he is just straight nuts. Arrgghhh why do we have to humanise a perfect villian.
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it looks great, and no one knows how it will play on screen with the lighting and what not. I do believe that when he smiles it will look awesome period. I love the scaring, and I don't mind at all that ledger is playing the joker. He'll do fine.
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"The Joker's supposed to be vain!" "The Joker's supposed to be a dandy!" "The Joker's not supposed to have scars!"
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Killer clowns, baby. Killer clowns.
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Is just an excuse. What is original about this visualization of the Joker? It's M-U-N-D-A-N-E, and unfortunately, somewhat expected.
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I did a quick and dirty photoshop to make visual the "symmetry" of the scarring I posted about earlier. It probab ly won't last long before the bandwidth is maxed, so let me know what you guys think. I think it maintains the creepiness while keep the "permanent smile" representation intact. Now it looks like he was slashed from the corners of his mouth to the jawbone, as if the "accident" almost took off the top of his head.
Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/2el8sp
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You're a bitch and I made you look like even more of one. Impartial observers already called it. SO be a good little bitch and go play quietly by yourself. You're a joke kiddo. You're a total loser and while I may have been the one to tell you to fuck off everyone else was/is/and has always been thinking it.
Just fuck off. Again, don't type. You don't have anything to contribute. You've made it obvious. So shut the fuck up you embarrassing little stain. Shit, it's almost amazing how much of a loser you've proven yourself to be. The more you arm me the more I kick th shit out of you. Notice the pattern yet? You say something idiotic and I rip you apart just a little bit more. Any sane person would give up but not you. You're the perennial bitch and I guess you get off on being humiliated. -
Not funny, just looks like a creepy loser. The Joker should actually be funny in his own insane way.
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My point about kids reading comics is that I don't see how children can be "scarred" by this image of the Joker when the Joker's done crazy ass shit in the comics and kids pick those up and willingly read it and parents don't care. So the difference between comics and the films is maybe a "damn" here and there and the fact that it's live action.
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looking at the pic really freaks me out. Very scary. I'm going to love this movie.
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It's just gross and sloppy looking. This is like saying the Green Goblin helmet was scarier than the Green Goblin mask. Here is scary: http://ww2.netnitco.net/~rustedshut/comicon/comicon_2004/jose/part_01/images/015_joker_banner.jpg
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Again you're trying to assert some element of control over this exchange. You have none. I slap you around. You get slapped around. Give up the puppet master bullshit. You made a dumb remark (as you most often do) and I reciprocated by outting you as the worst talkbacker ever which was immediately seconded.
The more you persist the worse you look. Stupid IS funny. It's even funnier when stupid thinks he's smart.
I called you out. If anyone is torturing anyone it's me leading you around by your retardation. Understand? Didn't think so.
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why do you always have to piss on everything? are you even capable of relaxing and enjoying something at all?
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Thanks! And no problem. I've got no idea what this clown's problem is. I wouldn't worry about him, no one with two braincells to rub together is going to think less of you for ignoring the guy. His weird obsession has gone from standard talkback-bullying to kinda creepy, and I wouldn't encourage him.
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and it will keep going. Way more passion for the Joker than giant 80's robots. Then again, everyone hated those designs until they saw them in action, so I'm sure it will be the same for the Joker.
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That image has incredible potential to be scary. Why? Because of what Ledger may bring to the role. That is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing with regards to the character's portrayal. I think you're WAAAYYY too hung up on previous incarnations (much like the Transformers) and you're denying yourself the further possibilities.Seriously, we've already seen a Joker who is "funny in his own insane way". But we haven't seen one who is genuinely frightening. Why would we want to see the same schtick again?
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I agree. I welcome the "fresh" take that Nolan has done to these characters.
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Ah, misread you, fair enough. I agree, no matter what it looked like someone would be crying foul.
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ZB and BSB just tongue kissed.
At the very least you two will always have each other. And that night in Cabo.
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I had to. I have to admit, I'm looking forward to the overall characterization.
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To be fair, we've never seen a really comic-book style representation of the Joker in live action. Though, I still think Batman:TAS should be enough for anyone...
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Being respectful to other people is totally gay. And, boy, am I ashamed that you've revealed my dark secret. I guess it must've tipped you off when I downloaded all those videos you and your dad made together on prom. Fuck, how will I ever get over your skillful insults?Right, but back in reality, just chill out and leave it, dude. If all you're gonna do is hurl lame insults like "omfg, u2 are so gay" this really is a waste of space and I'm not gonna bother.
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to throw my hat in with bsb. supermarch is a mouth breather.
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the footage is from ledgers new film, candy
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Well, in terms of visual appeal, there are many different versions of the Joker ranging from the old school comics to the more noir/gothic graphic novels and even the cartoons. But I think the big-toothed/coifed hair/tailored purple suit Joker has been done enough. While some of these elements are trademarks, the darker more serious side of the Joker's insanity has been overlooked.Judging from what I've heard, "The Dark Knight's" portrayal of both Batman and the Joker sounds like it will be going back to the old school comic roots = detective vs criminal. And in the process, it's also incorporating the more psychologically disturbing aspects of the later graphic novels. That's what I'm excited about.While I'm not entirely sure the viewing public would be comfortable with the near-transvestite Joker from "Arkham Asylum", I think the darker tones found in such stories are much more rich in complexity and make for a more intense film experience. And if Nolan can build upon the foundations he established in BB, we could be in for another great film with the token dark hero and the truly diabolical villain.
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my first impression here is they possibly don't get the character. This is something I would expect for Zsazz, you know? To me it is more imaginative to follow the classic route with the character - one which they have never gotten right on film before. It's more interesting and less obvious. It just seems gross out for its own sake and that has never been The Joker to me and frankly I think it's lazy. Of course I could be entirely wrong. Shogun, I really liked the first film, I want to like the next, but I was against them going this route with The Joker from the start. The realism stuff is unimaginative. The fact that they are adapting The Long Halloween is extremely promising from a story standpoint, but obviously I don't like the direction they've gone with The Joker if this image is communicating what I believe it is supposed to. Yes, I am very picky about entertainment in general mostly for what ideas it communicates and I complain if I think they are lowering the bar or being vulgar for no reason. Why shoot for the ordinary? There are many things I enjoy, Curaon being about it for now, but I'm sure someone will step up. Sooner or later. Hah hah.
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You two love-birds are ADORABLE!!! Please keep it up. I demand to be entertained.
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that Bay dumbed it down. He did not improve upon the concept. Nolan did not improve upon Batman as a whole, he just improved upon a bunch of crappy Batman films. I'm not saying that is not an accomplishment, but the best Batman film has not been yet made.
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I don't entirely disagree, and I'm definitely still looking forward to the film's portrayal of the Joker. But I can see why someone would think that Joker is one of those characters who's archetypal enough that they shouldn't be screwed with too much, or that they haven't seen a Joker they've felt was really right on film yet. Personally, again, I really want to see the Joker played as someone whose insanity makes him, in essence, immune to the rules that society places up for us--legal, moral, social, all of it. He's insane because he sees what a joke it all is, how we're all brainwashed into behaving a certain way because if we didn't have rules we'd go insane. And he's dangerous because he doesn't follow the rules and patterns we expect, and Batman is particularly opposed to him because Batman is a force for order, literally, he forces the world into order. Again, as long as the Joker is crazy enough, and as long as *he* finds everything funny, I don't need him to actually BE funny--though someone who doesn't follow the normal rules of behavior could hardly help being funny sometimes.
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The hacked site is now "down". But look very closely at it. And after you find the first nugget, look some more. Its to much fun to find on your own for me to give it away. Hopefully others on this site won't either.
the system is down...
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Oh, I know all about your problems with Transformers! No doubts there. And while I disagree with you about the designs (in a lot of ways, I think they're incredible improvements), I remain in the dark about the precise story until I actually see it. I'll let you know what I think afterwards. :^)
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For people to say that the Joker has never fully been portrayed right on film is inaccurate. Cesar Romero played the Joker of the 60s to a T. The Joker of the 60s was as Romero portrayed him. He was a petty thief who could barely beat Batman. Nicholson played the Joker of the 80s, a darker and somewhat more sinister version. Hamill played Joker as he was in the 90s - a perfect blend of humor with the ability to go psycho in a moment. I believe Heath will play the Joker of the 2000s. And this brings me to my point about the Joker being portrayed accurately. He has been portrayed accurately throughout the decades. People misjudge because we are so use to the Joker of today that of course Romero seems campy and Nicholson doesn't seem quite right and Hamill is the closest we can say anyone has come.
On to your point about a Joker not playing by the rules, I feel that the Joker in the animated series did that. He did whatever the hell he wanted and in his own mind everything was justified. I mean, for Christ's sake, he tried to trademark a fish! He helped to create the Condiment King! And Hamill's laughter as the Joker went from a light hearted "Heh!" to the transition laugh of dark to maniacal. -
What are your thoughts? Surely you must have an opinion.
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I completely agree with you on Hamill's Joker, like I said above, I think Batman: TAS should be enough for anyone. But that Joker hasn't really been seen on film, so I understand why people would want him.
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all of the best aspects of the character to fine point and keeps it sharp and interesting. He can go in any direction almost, but he is certainly not mundane. And I would argue the Joker became THE Joker in the 70s.
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You're guilty of what you just accused me of.
That's earns you your tard certification. Congrats fuckhole. Gay prom lines? Please. Just...just don't even bother lol.
OK if one more person announces that the site is down but there's a "secret" I'm going to nut all over their faces. WE KNOW. WE KNEW BEFORE YOU. HOO raa... -
Roger that. I admit I'm not well versed in the older Joker canon, as it were. But I know there's many takes and theories on the nature of his insanity.I go back to the quote I used earlier from Rotten Tomatoes: "Total moral desolation; corrupt beyond any hope of retrieval." -- This statement was in reference to the face but it is perfectly applicable to the psychological state of the Joker I've always wanted to see. The danger stems from an awareness coupled with utter dementia. Everything is funny to him because NOTHING has any value. It's almost like there is no light on upstairs because there isn't even a switch! To me, that is the most frightening aspect of the Joker = psychotic evil wrapped in the guise of "humor".I think we may be trying to say the same things...we're just throwing different punches. Cheers!
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Kinda interesting.
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I get a serious Tom Noonan as Francis Dolarhyde vibe off this guy...he only *thinks* he looks like a Joker, same as Francis thought he looked like a dragon. Batshit crazy, and *cold*. With a sense of humor even blacker than John Doe's in Se7en. Can't wait.
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The Joker is an entertainer with an audience of one. He is not chaotic for some deep methodical purpose, he's a sociopath. He does it because HE thinks it's funny. It makes sense to him and that makes him dangerous. He is unpredictable but he has reasons and they are a) entertaining himself, b) trying to kill Batman, or c) getting money to fund a and b. And b is the ultimate form of entertainment for the Joker.
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I can see how what I said would seem like hypocrisy if you were totally blind to the concept of irony. Which, given how little depth any of your attempted slams shows, I suppose I should expect of you. But, hey, if you're proud of yourself because you think you've dragged me down to your level, maybe you can calm down and behave like a respectful individual now, right? I'll even start: Hi, I'm Steve, nice to meet you. Ledger looks pretty scary as the Joker, huh?
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Joker's said many times, though, that he doesn't actually want to kill Batman. He needs Batman, 'cause Batman's the only one that's a really appreciative audience.
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trying to explain away why he's never succeeded. Joker doesn't want anyone else to kill Batman, because that is like stealing his best joke. Joker has a self-created codependent relationship to Batman. I never even liked the idea that Batman contributed to his origin - I always liked the idea that the Joker created this whole identity to escape his pathetic reality because he couldn't make it as normal.
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Again, some pencil dicked little fruit assigning himself the control. What's with you fucking idiots?
Irony? Why don't you just tell me I'm "ignant" and "need Jesus" while you're at it? Look up irony because there is none present. You are a fucking loser who never should have attempted to join the conversation. End of story.
Per the actual pic of the Joker I've already given my opinion. I'm on board because I'm not the a-typical AICN talkback resentful pessimist. The more sick twisted the better. I'd be happy if he were the only one laughing at the end and the whole audience was left thinking "wow...that made Hostel look like Lazytown". -
I've been watching this thread for a few days while looking over the picture...man, what a letdown!
That's the "new, fresh, innovative" look for the Joker?
*ahem*
What kills me is that some of the fan made Batman quickies on YouTube have FAR superior Joker makeups - and these folks had little-to-no money to beign with!
Hilarious!
Is Ledger's look supposed to be "realistic" or "artistic"?
Etiher way, it's horrid.
I am not saying TDK will be a bad movie, but when you mess with a iconic charcter like the Joker's look, it definetly mars the experience.
Let's not forget what happened to Emmerich and Devlin's career after GODZILLA - the Japanese STILL take shots at that atrocity!
And just for he record - I find all of the post on here and on several other boards just sound like a big mass of damage control to me.
Face it, gang - Nolan fucked up, and fucked up big time.
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that he IS a loser. And he is. Ledger looks like a total loser in that picture, thus completely missing the effect to make the character interesting as something other than the umpteenth crazy guy that dresses up like a clown.
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Joker's actually given up the chance to kill Batman before because he feels he needs him. In fact, in one instance where he thought he HAD killed him, the shock drove him sane and he actually underwent plastic surgery and led a normal life until he discovered Batman was actually alive and returned to crime. (a similar scenario is presented in The Dark Knight Returns, of course)
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generally everyone knows that clown face is for losers and psychos. Somehow the OG Joker managed to transcend that. Probably through his charming personality and good grooming skills.
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zb, and so I discount it. One of my favorites has the Hal Jordan Spectre (yes, I know, L-A-M-E), it's a JLA story, and they go inside the Joker's mind and Hal reveals that there is even a part of the Joker, yes, the Joker, that is just normal and yearns for a quiet life. And it freaks everyone out because he has this blissful smile on his face watching the tube with his wife, like his life was before he became the Joker. But the best part is that it really sends Batman through the roof because Batman wants to hate this guy so badly that he wants no compassion for him. And then the rest of the story sucked, I think Hal showed Batman his parents and made him cry because that's the kind of guy Hal is.
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Again, "pencil dick"? 1: that one's getting old, 2: why would you admit you've been sneaking looks at my dick?, 3: am I supposed to be worried that everyone here will think I actually do have a dick like a pencil just because you say so? What is an insult like that supposed to *do*?Look, insulting people is *easy*. Saying any random shit that pops into your head and turning it into a "slam" just is not that impressive! I could talk like that to you. I could rag on the fact that when you were born you were so fucking ugly that your mother decided to hang herself with your umbilical cord. I could talk about how you always got picked first when you played baseball, but only because you were so goddamn fat your gravitational pull attracted fly balls. I could talk about how the only thing smaller than your IQ is the length of your dick in centimeters (and both numbers are less than the number of testes you keep in your shorts), or how the only time you ever got to third base was when your uncle Kevin got drunk at your ten-year-old sister's baby shower. I could say you're a pathetic, bullying prick who can only maintain an erection while masturbating furiously over a Talkback you've soiled with brainless insults and playground banter that would embarrass a developmentally disabled third grader. But, as far as I know, none of that would be true, and none of it would add an awful lot to the discussion.You see how easy it is to hurl insults? It is NOT IMPRESSIVE. ANYONE CAN DO IT. It's not clever, it's not smart, it doesn't give you the "control" you seem obsessed with, it doesn't make you well-liked, it sure as shit doesn't make you cool, and, for crying out loud, STOPPING RIGHT NOW AND BEHAVING LIKE A PLEASANT PERSON would NOT make you weak, or a loser, or whatever it is you're so obviously afraid will happen if you grow a pair and keep your shit to yourself.Once again--Hi, I'm Steve. I'm sure you're a much more pleasant person than you've come off as so far. Glad you're liking what you're seeing here. Out of interest, as you pride yourself as being less negative than most Talkbackers, what did you think of Spidey 3?
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If you take all the letters that are out of place(i.e. not "ha") it spells out "see you in december"
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...already discovered
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wtf is wrong with your head? You heard? Like in your head? The voice of another internet poster? Take your meds you fucking retard and go the fuck away already. Quit trying to win. That's an impossibility for you outside of a 'who has the biggest anus' contest. Your mouth wins those every time.
For asscock the essay writer: I swear I'll read your garbage at some point. Just not right now. Yes it is easy to hurl insults. Mine however are warranted. Plus I'm not making gay little word association gags and incest bullshit. That's tired and boring. I read your last line though since I figured it would sum everything up. I thought Spidey 3 had some nice effects but that jazzersize scene was pure BSB.
It works in favour of TDK production staff. Now when studio moron number 52 says something like "the Joker is too scary and has too much screen time" the creatives can show him any one of the 1000000 scathing reviews of Spidey 3 that called for more Venom and more mature content.
I still can't believe how big a fucking loser BSB is. It's awe inspiring. It's like he was created in a lab to big the biggest fucking dipshit ever to waddle the earth.
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If "asscock" is the best you've got in the face of my, really quite convincing, diatribe on how easy and stupid it is to sling insults, then I really don't have time to have a pissing contest with you. We're done on that score, kay? As for Spidey--I think it's unlikely that the makers of TDK consider themselves as making the same type of film as the Spidey movies. Even if they did, while plenty of fanboys had problems with Spidey 3, half of them creid out for LESS Venom, not more, so I doubt they're gonna take anything in particular about adult-themed badassery from that.
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Well, like the site said, "See you in December." So, that's probably when we'll see the first real trailer for the movie. Like Playhouse said, this is all out of context. We are making asumptions about the character and we haven't even heard him speak or move yet. All this talk about the source material for the Joker and who got it right the best is pointless. As far as we know, Heath Ledger might shit all over Mark Hamil's Joker. Then everybody will be saying that Heath Ledgers' interpertation of the Joker is the definitive interpertation of the Joker. We don't know that yet though because all we have seen is a dark face and not shit else.
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His post is visibly more than mine. It's right fucking there.
BSB has no grip on reality. That makes sense. He's just that far gone. I wish he'd fuckoff. I really do. I take solace in knowing that in his actual reality there are good citizens who pick on him regularly. Maybe one day soon one of them will put him in a coma? One can only hope.
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Adjectives do not make you funny. That's as much of a response as you deserve. I don't reward hissy fits. Night Mary.
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I hate to be the simp to point this out - especially because it recalls all of the Transformers movie, ummm, enthusiasts - but this pic is out of context. I happen to think it's a marvelous tease (no pun intended) but I also recognize that it is removed from the reality of the film. There is nothing to set this image in. We don't see his hair as a reference point and the angle is an odd one. I bet if they had a shot from top down, this would probably be more appealing to people. Personally, I think this is an amazing and bold interpretation of the physicality of the character. This gives us the demonic grin but allows full expression of the face, something which was lacking in the Nicholson version. We know Ledger has a huge maw when he smiles. This helps to complete the look. As for those who think this will all just be makeup in the film, I get the impression that whatever accident befalls him will bleach his skin to morbid white but he will paint on the red lips as homage to this persona he so identifies with. I think the real kicker, though, will be to see how Ledger captures the spirit of the Joker. So far, I think they are heading in the right direction.
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I've been a fan of batman in all his incarnations except for the burton movies and shoemacher debacle.{ie. joe chill is actually jack napier who turns into the joker = fucking bullshit, jim gordon some fat buffoon, Robin, nipples etc....)
this Joker is creepy looking and BB kicked ass aside from plotholes that were much smaller than the Burton/Schumacher horror shows.
This one pic of the Joker is disturbing + BB being awesome = I'm going to see it like 3 times and then get the DVD.
and Spiderman 3 was chode. Peter Parker bits were embarrassing. Spiderman was good minus the world day parade, Spiderman 2 was the best comic book movie ever and spiderman tres sucked so much cock, it sickens me. saw it once and once was enough.
my point? I like this shit. I like this pic. I like the direction this pic leads me to believe where the Dark Knight is going.
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Could anyone that agrees with one of the earlier posts that Stallone gave us "magnificence on a platter" with the footage of JOHN RAMBO compared to this image of the Joker please explain that to me? I mean, I'm not really digging the oker look either -- how does he earn the name Joker if he's not even smiling (and no, the scarring doesn't get it)? But the Rambo footage... Is it magnificence because it's bloody? How does that make any sense? Is it because you think so many movies that should be bloody aren't that when one like this comes along that is, automatically it's magnificent? It's not bad, even looks promising, but magnificence? How much magnificence does it take to show a minute of dialogue playing around with political correctness before 2.5 minutes of people getting killed in various ways? Again, I'm no big fan of the Joker image at this point and I'm not saying that Stallone's new Rambo won't be a good movie, but magnificence? There is a difference, I think, if only in positive hyperbole, but that positive hyperbole has to be earned -- it isn't.
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I'll bet you money right now today that Ledger's Joker is not better than Hammill's.
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But let's face it, they did not make Ra's al Ghul anything to write home about, in fact they wasted him. And I seem to remember a lot of AICNers complaining about how they handled the Scarecrow. Anyone want to take me up on my bet?
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Why did my post move? That was weird.
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Echoing what someone else said above...What if this pic of the Joker is just a joke....maybe we'll get another picture with the Joker smiling very soon....
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just dont see it, if you hate it so much?
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And it appears they've made changes, perhaps unnecessarily so. Seems like a valid reason to me. What's difficult to grasp?
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Reminds me of Kakihara from Ichi the Killer, except Kakihara keeps two safety pins at the edge of his lips, so when he gets the chance, he can unpin them, open wide and bite an entire fist, and strip off its flesh. I don't know what Nolan intends, but he's taking these characters in a direction I haven't imagined and I'm definitely excited.
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I have been born and raised on Batman, I have a collection of all things Batman that is far beyond a casual fan, I love the joker, he's my second favorite character in all comics and I love the look of Heath as Joker. It's not like the Joker has no makeup and a crazy mask, He looks like the Joker only a darker verson of it, And besides it's a movie, you still have your comics and cartoons and batman 1, so relax and be greatfull that there is a great filmmaker creating this film and a great actor playing the Joker. Honestly you people are crying over nothing.
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Fuck you my goodman
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Yay!
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As long as the mythos is respected, it will show in the work presented. Besides, I got three words for everybody. Morgan. Fuckin. Freeman. He was president of the United States. He did time in Shawshank. He's been God. Twice.
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What's an asscock? Sounds gay.
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The show is sucky, but I'm pretty sure that when Sylar is laughing and looking up, that they were doing a little Joker homage.
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We’re finally getting a more mature batman movie (with THE Joker) with a fresh take (its never been this dark before) by the Nolan bros who gave us Memento and The Prestige (and have yet to make a bad or mediocre film) and it seems like this is gonna be more psychological cat n mouse which is Chris Nolan’s specialty and STILL fanboys bitch and whine. I honestly can’t believe there’s this much whining going on. I want the Joker dark and twisted and make Hannibal Lecter look like a pussy. I absolutely love the new look and I didn’t think they’d go this far to make him look sick and disturbing and its fantastic! Fanboys will bitch and whine about anything and everything.
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The Prestige was not a good film. For a movie whose success depended on watertight (no pun intended) plotting, it telegraphed its twists ten minutes in.
That said, Batman Begins rocked, like, seven kinds of ass so I have no reason to doubt that its sequel will not do the same.
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He could improve on the action scenes but that doesnt mean he sucks in general. The way he did it in Begins fit the tone of the film. When i saw the prison fight scene it felt like i was watching a documentary. And keep in mind its hard to move in the batsuit, so u gotta edit to not make him look silly while fighting. But he is a very good director imo. Michael Bay can direct action scenes, do you think he's good?
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You may not have liked the Prestige but it's ranked 88 on imdb, higher than Begins (95). No disrespect of course. It's cool you liked BB, and TDK will probably be better with Jonathan Nolan doing the screenplay this time instead of Goyer.
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I see the point you're trying to make and it's a fair one. But ratings on IMDB are a popularity contest not a definitive objective view of a film's worth.
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You in Manila?
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Totalfilm are reporting that seeyouindecember has just been registered as a domain name. We could be seeing more joker shenanigans soon...
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He can't direct action scenes for shit.
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Well, thanks for bringing up MY point. I would like to go on record as the first nimrod to point this out on this thread. A little fucking recognition would go a long way to keeping people on this board.
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..fuck you!! HaHa!! I got you!! Pwned!
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Wake up! Do you think they are going to scare away the kiddies??? They aren't going to risk losing any of the child audience that buys the toys and happy meals and lots of movie tickets on Saturday afternoon. You guys are totally delusional about the goals of Hollywood...it is not to make some kickass Rated R Batman movie. It is to generate the maximum amount of profits and that means keeping it tame when it comes to a Batman movie.
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Which critics is it that you think have the ear of the industry, exactly? And I brought up Spider-Man 3 because you claimed to be less pessimistic and negative than the average Talkback geek, so I thought I'd see what you thought of a movie that was highly maligned here.
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You are without a doubt the biggest waste of time on this site and easily one of the biggest pieces of hit drawing breathe. Thanks for removing all doubt. You're not funny, intelligent, knowledgeable, or worth reading anything from. Fuck off.
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Seriously, it's time to just ignore him. He started out boring and has moved onto painful. Personally, I don't think it's worth it to keep baiting him just for the occasional gold nugget of unintentional irony. Responding to him is just gonna waste more space and divert more attention, and it's not like you can make him look any worse than he's managing already.
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Are you guys crazy? Did you not notice accomplished chase scenes in Memento or Insomnia?
Now, I don't think the action scenes always completely worked in Batman Begins, but you can see what Nolan was trying to do: Batman uses the darkness and surprise and disorientation to his advantage, etc. etc. The fight scene in the warehouse sort of worked, sort of didn't.
But maybe Nolan has learned from it, you know? Someone said that on the DVD commentary (?) he admits it's not the best comic book movie so far; and, obviously, he is a smart, smart guy.
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Those fraudsters took down that fake Joker pic before the world could see the proof. I don't believe that fucking bullshit for a second. BULLSHIT! Get it? The end.
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ever'body! time to revisit ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com and tap ctrl-A
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in BB are fair. Personally, I don't think we have to see Batman being able to actually execute specific moves, it only needs be suggested that is movement is not limited and convey the action. I loved the scene for instance where he pulls the guy into the shipping container - well done. Not so well done was lighting him up like Christmas while he's squatting on the railing looking like a tool talking to Holmes. It needs more atmosphere, Batman needs to come across as more mysterious.
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I called you out you fucking moron. I called you out as an annoying bitch and you acted like an annoying bitch. Don't try to dictate control or 'who danced for who'. It's not up to debate. Scroll up. I called you a bitch. You acted like a bitch. Plain and simple and in writing above. You can't imply and infer your way around it you fucking loser. And name play? Really? Thanks for putting a cherry on the top of the BSB is a the biggest piece of shit on AICN sundae. Go kill yourself. That's the ONLY positive thing you could or will ever do.
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One thing love mark hamill's joker in the animated. No way he can play it on the big screen. Too Old too short (sorry Mark) And I'll agree that the picture is out of context. We ahve to wait and see. But this looks like a departure from he Joker we all love (at least for me its hamill's). You know, has any watched those discovery channel programmes on psychotic killers. Mny of them come from normal backgrounds. I prefer that the Joker is not screwed up cause of past issues. He is far too methodical and takes far too much delight in what he does to be 'unhinged' because of daddy issues, or facial scaring destroying his modelling career (or a dead ex). I honestly believe that hamill's Joker from animated if literally trans;lated to the bigscreen where his menancing is turned up a little more will be far horrific and terrifying than some dude with scarring. He could be one the most terrifying big screen villians ever. I think Superninja and I feel like we really want to see this happen, because we see the potential in Hamill's Joker on the bigscreen. But I ain't judging....I'm just saying.
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is like winning a fight against a guy with no arms and no legs...anyone can do it and no one thinks your special/cool/awesome cause you did it.
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Exactly! Thank you for expressing that so vividly.
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If you remove all the "Hahahaha" ... and the "Page Not Found" ... you'll find it says:
see YOu In DECeMbER
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You called it. He seems to be fighting really hard to try and change your behavior just by swearing at you, as if just saying "go kill yourself, assfuck" enough times will make you realize how much smarter than you he is and make you want to do what he says. Well, he had his shot, I don't see any real reason to care he exists anymore.On another note, I think they went and spoiled me with this ibelieveinharveydenttoo stuff. After the first page, the second page, the photo reveal, the hidden message, and the myspace page all in short order, I'm getting annoyed at having to wait for more. Sigh.
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Alright, first of all:
Dude, Supermarch, you're a fucking goober."Don't dictate control?" It's a goddamn website full of anonymous names. What control? Is this really all you've got?
As for the Joker, I dig it. Quite a bit, actually. I love the Hammil Joker, sure, but for Nolan's vision of a more realistic Gotham, that amount of flamboyance, though entertaining, would feel out of place. It worked in the first Batman-to an extent-because that was a much more "comic book"-esque stylized flick, and in its own right was pretty good. But Begins set a precedent for translating the outrageous into the realm of reality, and this is what i hoped we'd see out of Mr. J. It all lies on how Ledger plays it, though. Hopefully pretty dark, but not completely devoid of a bit of comedics. -
this is why I refuse to play online games against Americans, because all you do is say rude words to each other. It's a case of loudest wins. Your not even that good at it. If you came over to the UK and acted the way you do on forums, online games etc you would get your fucking heads kicked in. Bloody Children.
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SPOILER WARNING:
The end of THE DARK KNIGHT:
Joker: I killed 500 people in cold blood, but I did it for my daughter.
Batman: I forgive you.
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For a while I was hoping that someone like Adrian Brody or Crispin Glover would take the role. I wanted to see a version of The Joker which would match his image from The Killing Joke or The Animated Series.Then I thought that the reasons we loved these Jokers is because they did something new with a character which we loved.It seems almost self-destructive as a Batman fan to not want Nolan to try something different. We might find we prefer it when we see it in context.Without an evolution or change to the character which Alan Moore's art or Mark Hammil's voice brought to the fray we wouldn't have the Jokers we love. It is pointless to stay the same.In the future I want to look back on a whole array of Jokers which I love (including Jack Nicholsons). To only have versions based on what has gone before will stop all creativity and the chance of something we might love even more.On the note of who should play the Joker in the probably inevitable version of The Dark Knight Returns (which should be released to coencide with Nolans 3rd Batman film and be directed by Miller in a Sin City green screen style). It's an easy one. Richard E Grant. And Kurt Russell as Batman and Paul Newman as Gordon (God, I could imagine a cast for that film all day long).On the subject of the action and cinematography which was slightly lacking in Batman Begins. It's true, Nolan did seem more confident on Memento and Insomnia. But imagine the pressure of suddenly directing a big studio film, a character so well loved and known. Working with an array of big stars you have never met. I'm sure he was terrified and found it very difficult to focus on what he wanted on screen.Now he has done it all before, has had more experiance with The Prestige and probably is very comfortable with Bale and Caine. Also he will have less studio pressure as I am sure they where a bit nervous about a Batman film after Batman and Robin. And his brother taking over from the very average Goyer.All in all I'm sure his brilliance will shine through tenfold, the film will be more personal and risky and all the little problems like the action will have much more attention paid to them.Plus I'm sure he has noticed the critisism of that aspect of the first film.
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The problem is to me this image looks like they are taking the most obvious route - more BS "realism". More of the "get inside the villain's head to understand why they're evil" crapola that doesn't need to be done. The Joker is fun because he's self-created, he's theatrical, he doesn't need sadsack motives or some kind of psychological tweak. He is a fun bad guy, not a grossout freak.
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While I agree the swearing and yelling at each other is ridiculous, so is acting like Britains are above Americans and that we are all bloody children.
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No one has done that before.
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Then forgive me. I have spent time in your country and love your people but when an American is a wanker, boy is he a wanker.
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And Millers Joker was sick as fuck and Scary, and this new joker is the closest to that I have ever seen. Scary not funny or theatrical or fun, just scary as hell ,especcially in the scenes where the Joker dies in Dark Knight Returns, that was his darkest and greatest hour.
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because we invented the flag and anything we see we can just plonk a flag on it and claim it as our own... Africa, India, America, anywhere we want. I actually claimed my mates girlfriend the other day by just sticking a flag in her face. We are so awesomely, awesome. See I just claimed the word awesome. Yey.
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but I have thought from the begining that a lot of people would be getting their hopes up with The Jokers look. You can either go scary scarred clown or flamboyant clown prince. I like the scarry one here though because it is actually really scary.It will be Ledgers performace which will make it though, his voice, the way he moves. He is a real actor. Someone who can go from pompous english bloke (Brothers Grim) to emotionaly reclusive cowboy (Brokeback Mountain) and always remain completely believable. By the way has anyone seen Ledgers early work in Two Hands? That is a good film.
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cry a lot?
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Are you trying to conflate metal and emo? Metal is the *antithesis* of emo.
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does not mean he will be played that way. It is kind of unavoidable when creating the charater with any kind of clown make-up. I think we can trust Nolan enough to know that it is not going to be a re-hash of the Crow.
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will be in denial about his appearence. He will think that he looks beautiful, with perfect make-up and a perfect suit but it will all be thrown together and ugly.
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seriously.
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Punk has been on a slow decline for the last 20 years, so I can't really complain. As long as you're not talking about Bad Religion, who still completely rule.
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Going "dapper" might actually be more scary if done right. I don't know, this first image isn't alot to go on....I'd like to see Ledger in action(I'm keeping faith in Nolan) but at this point, I kinda see what you mean, he looks a bit too "Manhunter-esque" for my taste, but that be what's right for the final film...we'll see I guess.
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thing. Do you see anyone else complaining about your opinions? I'll never get people complaining about other people's complaining. I mean, if you want to say my point is not valid for whatever reason, that's fine. But to me, that pic looks emo, Ledger is kind of emo anyway, this is the route I feared they would take with the character. He just looks like a dirty crazy person. Not scary, not psychological, just a loser.
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Ledger is a good actor, I just am not thrilled with the first image. Hammill's Animated Joker is perfect, so it's hard to top and certainly moreso in live action.
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Ledger has said that one of his influences is the droogs in A Clockwork Orange, which does speak to a certain amount of theatricality and self-entertainment. Plus the theoretical myspace page (myspace.com/ibeliveinharveydenttoo) sounds like a pretty maniacal, cackling Joker, not a tortured whiner. So there are hopeful signs on that front.
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the word emo is just stupid because people just say it now days and relate it to my chemical romance and bands that wear makeup. Any movie that has any kind of emotionin it, is now called emo and it's just stupid.
and superninja as for Joker, fisrt off Hammill's Joker was great but it was animated , it couldnt be brought to life as great as it was in the cartoon. Also you said he looks like a crazy dirty person that's how Joker from "The Dark Knight Returns" looked and it worked better than any Joker I have ever seen. -
very much for Dark Knight Returns as a basis for a Batman film. Those are sort of ulitmatized versions of the characters - it works in a graphic novel, but is too extreme in my opinion for an all-ages film. And when I refer to emo I mean whiney, depressed, gothic and wussy.
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in Dark Knight Returns as being 'dirty' in this sense, more of a kind of old queer type. He just brought Richard E Grant to mind when I read it.
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like this. http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Djoker%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501%26x%3Dwrt&w=600&h=802&imgurl=ww2.netnitco.net%2F%7Erustedshut%2Fcomicon%2Fcomicon_2004%2Fjose%2Fpart_01%2Fimages%2F015_joker_banner.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww2.netnitco.net%2F%7Erustedshut%2Fcomicon%2Fcomicon_2004%2Fjose%2Fpart_01%2Fpages%2F015_joker_banner.html&size=47.8kB&name=015_joker_banner.jpg&p=joker&type=jpeg&no=11&tt=282,761&oid=bea4fb6cf23d04ee&ei=UTF-8 I think this is instantly more interesting and scary than the Ledger image which just invokes the current Saw-esque trend of horror. Which belongs nowhere near a Batman movie - just my opinion.
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wouldn't work in the Nolan Universe. It would have to be a stand alone, highly stylized film. It should not follow on from any particular Batman, just everyones general conception of the legend of Batman.The reason I want to see it filmed so much is so I can see a highly stylized Superman. He should be played by someone about 7 ft tall with 6 ft wide shoulders.Imagine the scenes of him taking on fighter planes and battleships.
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http://ww2.netnitco.net/~rustedshut/comicon/comicon_2004/jose/part_01/pages/015_joker_banner.html
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please supes.
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But as much as I love that image of the Joker. It has been done in comics and animated. I would like to see that Joker on-screen at some point, maybe in a film version of DKR but I am happy with Nolan trying something new.In 10 years people might be talking about Ledgers Joker in the way we are talking about The Killing Joke or Animated Joker.You say it looks 'emo' or whatever but wait till we have a context and performance.
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http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image/Joker_4.jpg
I think this Joker is Evil and Scary as hell and this is what I think Heath and Nolan are gonna bring to Batman.
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http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image/Joker_4.jpg
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BSB is a fucking retard.
Oh no I swore and ruined all my cred with him and his cocksucking connoisseur friend! lol
I speak from the heart: go off yourself. It's in everyone's best interests including your own. You're stupid, not funny, not clever, you have control issues and I think you might be having problems with the English language. You're a sad little bitch and I really do sincerely believe you're the biggest loser that's ever come on this site. -
TINY URL.comLearn it. Live it. Love it.;^)
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is engaged in your playground battle now? We where actually discussing the above article. So unless you have something constructive to add...piss off.That's just going to get him started again isn't it...
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if Nolan is planning on making the Joker tough enough to take on Batman man-to-man (not in a Brokeback Moutain sense) in this film? Ledger is definately physical enough.
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Be careful, he might call you gay.He's a cunning one, he is.
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I do not know, but apparently Ledger was given Killing Joke to study from. Haven't read it myself, I'm afraid, but as I understand it Joker uses weapons and traps more than his hand sin it (as he *usually*, but not always, does in the books).
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with gadgets and ninja skills he uses to destroy us all.
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good a fighter but is so crazy he don't care how much pain he feels.
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Joker In Name Only
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...psychological warfare. The point of The Killing Joke is he's trying to justify his existence to Batman by showing how one bad day can completely change a man. He uses Commissioner Gordon as his guinea pig.
pjdon, you're not constructively discussing anything. All you're doing is positing. Do you feel validated having expressed your uninformed opinion? Great. Score one for team short bus.
If you scroll up even further you'll see that all your stupid ideas have already been posted. Then at some point BSB let that winner rip about the picture looking like the Joker has gone south one a chick on her rag. Funny huh? I didn't think so either so I decided to point it out and he spread his legs and let us all look at what the good lord cursed him with. A flapping half retarded vagina that he's since repetitively farted out of under the guise of discourse.
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I don't want to read the phrase JINO 8,973,425 times between now and next year. Do. Not. Say. It. Again.
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of discussing Supermarch, and I'm sure I did both postulate and discuss within the above posts. As for covering ground already covered in this talkback, It is over 1500 posts long, I am not a basment geek like I assume you are and I don't have time to read the entire talk back let alone post throughout the entire duration (only for the 8 hours I am working this shitty night shift).I was having a discussion with the people who have been online within the last few hours, I don't care if someone else said the same thing 2 days ago.The point is though, we where not insulting each other. Why do you find people not insulting each other so offensive?
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Do you get hard picking fights or something? Let it drop, broseph...you sound like a fucking cunt.
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Ignoring, remember? It's not like he's actually going to learn anything, no matter how many times people point out how useless his flailing are. Just let him wear himself out.
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when he isn't insulting he often makes some intelligent comments. If all he ever did was insult I wouldn't care. When he actually says something about film in a constructive way I have no problem with him. Then something slips, he tosses his de-faced coin, it lands the bad way up and he losses any credibillity he has built up. My choice for Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight Returns - Supermarch.
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of 'Strictly Come Dancing, Grease is the Word X-Idol Pop-Factor'. Never watch any of them. Don't actually watch any TV these days, get my LOST on DVD or sent over from canada and watch anything else I like the look of when it comes to DVD (mainly just Extras, The Mighty Boosh and Peep Show)
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There's no fun in kicking a fallen retard. All you get is a sore foot.
Anyway. Two Face won't be in this till the end and then he's the focal point of the third.
They WILL NOT have it set up as the Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents. They were all apparently annoyed about that part of Tim Burton's version. Thing is I remember that being part of the 80's cartoon story so is that the correct version? Anyone know? I had no problem with it since it completes the loop in the whole Joker being old Gotham and Bruce Wayne and Batman being the new version. -
Kids see all kinds of things these days, unfortunately. It's that it is grotesque and it's not necessary.
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there you are, Gaius! So, how do you do the tiny url thingee?
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that you should play Two Face in The Dark Knight Returns. I kind of agree that it was effective to have the joker kill his parents. But it does cancel out the fact that Batman can never really get satisfaction as he either never knew who killed his parents or the person who killed his parents was killed by Farcone so either way he will never reach his goal of avenging their deaths.
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image ever into my head. The Tiny Police. All running around my ankles with their tiny, usless handcuffs and guns. Awww. They're so small.
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I really hate them kind of shows. And the worst part is that once I start watching one I can't stop watching. Like beastiality.
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even if I use a unblocker site it still won't let me view the actuall videos.I do believe you though. The problem is that I don't want to find out there is something else I like because then I will get upset trying to fit it in with anything else. Does anyone else miss the old days when there was just less entertainment? Life was so much simpler before a million TV shows, websites, forums, computergames etc. I used to actually struggle to find stuff to fill my artistic desires. Now I get upset because there is too much and I can't keep up.Try keeping up with everything on the Internet while my supervisor is breathing down your neck. Then when I get home, my girlfriend wants to 'talk'. And I say to her 'do you want to talk about the new image of The Joker or LOST?' and for some reason she wants to talk about 'us' or the 'baby'.It's not fair. Sorry to rant.
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Tell you the truth I was being a bit harsh, she does love LOST too. I keeps telling her the Others will come and take it if she's not carefull. It makes her even more terrified if I do my Ethan face while I say it. Hee hee.I might scream CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN!!! when she gives birth though, then run off with the baby while a shaky cam follows me through the streets and things blow up around me.
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And probably contact with your fellow man is best left out as well. A desert island, perhaps?
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But by the time my child is old enough they will just be pumping the internet into our brains and there will be no escaping idiots.
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your 'Tiny Police' Superninja. That would scare any child. Imagine their tiny Police cars with tiny high pitched sirens.
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tiny?
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Right on with the baby action, bro. Speaking of Children of Men, how appropriate a reference: Epic (flame) war, brought to a halt by a baby, hopeful and full of potential. Of course, to complete the analogy, the next post has to be somebody calling me a donkey-fucking asscock faggot or something, but still. Trippy...
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Had avoided it because of the subject matter and like you found it hopeful and full of meaning.
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at the wonder of new life somewhere. People will even start forgiving Micheal Bay.
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Superninja.... they are all just really tiny, thats why no one can find them and if they ever go back to the real world people will just step on them or they will be arrested by the Tiny Police.
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fo reals
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This picture made me lose my appetite.
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just like other people have in real life!
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But then no one actually wanted to say anything about the movie.
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go back to the site. and highlight page not found.
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http://tinyurl.com/29m8z7 Rambo here probably kicks more ass than the Dark Knight ever will. Yes this is all in the name of sarcasm and non-sequiter humor.
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please continue making supermarch look like the fucking cuntrag cocksmoking asswipe dickhead shitbag that he is, because if you're not gonna do it, he'll just continue making himself look like that. seriously, BSB throughout this whole thing supermarch has called you unfunny and unoriginal, yet i've laughed at everything you've said and simply shook my head at his pathetic insults. keep up the good work BSB, your sarcasm keeps me laughing.
oh and supermarch? i'm sure you'll have something to say about me, you'll post a subject entitled "brad55" expecting it to catch my attention so i could read it, but since you've repeated the same insults a million times already, do yourself a favor and save the time of repeating those sad attempts of an insult one million and one times. because if you do, i won't even bother to look, so who's the asshole now? gonna answer that saying "you are, brad55"? well, be original dickbag.
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When you e-mail the Joker back, he sends you a message that says "People always ask me about my charming boyish smile. Jessica used to love it. She was the loneliest girl in high school, and my first big kiss..."
So, I find that the shooting code name for the Dark Knight is "Rory's First Kiss." Related?
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Thanks for the too little too late input from the back of the bus. Who's the asshole now? Who's the asshole always? That's the real question. Take a good long hard squat on that one ok Captain Anger?
If BSB's sarcasm makes you laugh over and over then you're not the asshole. You're the dumb fuck who probably couldn't even wrap his head around a real line if his welfare check depended on it.
Anyone with more than two brain cells knows sarcasm is the last resort of a slow witted mind. I'm paraphrasing there of course.
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and she doesn't even know what the internet is.
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jeez, i come back after three days and the insults are still going on.
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Nolan wouldnt have picked him if he wasnt good enough. I like hearing that "people are going to be surprised at his take". And that look too, it all points towards an unheard-of version of the Joker. There must be a lot to Ledger that he hasnt shoved yet. ah, the anticipation.
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Your a real winner. When you carry a title like biggest retard as you do and someone refers to you and again calls you a retard it's not being repetitive it's just using your well earned title. Seeing as you are the biggest retard I am not surprised that one got past you though. You are the original reject on here, cupcake and it's all there in black and white for your immediate reference. You can't project your failures onto others through sheer will. You just need to stop. You can't dig yourself out of this whole. Just stop. Now.
Even pj's mom...wow. I'm not even going to bother. What kind of an idiot introduces their own mom into the equation? I could see BSB being pathetic enough to do a mom joke. I don't think he'd be dumb enough to open his own mom up to them though.
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Try to do the same BSB and anyone else who is trying to use this thread as a sewing circle.
Talk about the viral marketing campaign, the subject matter, the characters. Just stay on topic and don't post.
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sometimes the unintentional irony really is worth it.
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talk about retreading territory. Do you even read your own posts?
I'll just repost my response from before for Steve who can't seem to talk about the actual subject matter.
"Irony? Why don't you just tell me I'm "ignant" and "need Jesus" while you're at it? Look up irony because there is none present. You are a fucking loser who never should have attempted to join the conversation. End of story." -
I'll give you the attention you so clearly crave. I'm so indulgent, really, you should be grateful. And I'm going to explain a few things you clearly don't understand while I'm at it, it's really a two-for-one for you. First, you don't need to copy and paste your previous posts, your posts are virtually identical anyway.Second, just because you don't understand the irony doesn't mean it isn't there. The irony I'm commenting on is twofold: A: you keep lambasting BSB, but the accusations you make perfectly express the opinion most of us here hold of you. That is textbook irony. B: You keep accusing people of not being able to talk on topic--as if your constant descents into vulgar nonsense are in any way related to the topic at hand. Again, textbook unintentional irony.On a somewhat related note: Just because you keep saying things doesn't make them true. You can babble on and on about how I'm a loser, BSB is retarded, blah blah, but it doesn't make those things true, and it doesn't convince anyone of it. In fact, if you take a quick look at the responses you've gotten, it seems that is has only convinced others that *you* are a retarded loser, not the other way around. If you'd like to drum up a great list of your supporters, go ahead.You aren't witty. I know this one may be hard for you to believe, but you're not. Your insults are *completely* lacking. No matter how many times you call us retards or "asscocks" (that one was *delightfully* lame, by the way), it is never going to hurt our feelings. No one here has read one of your attempts at slams and said "wow, burn!" No one. I'm sorry, but sheer volume doesn't make anyone think less of themselves. Do you really think that in all your laughable tirades you have done a single jot to convince ANYONE they were stupid? Trust me when I say, for my part, you have done nothing but instill a warm feeling of smug superiority in me. And here it is, prime among the many facts: however much you think you "control" the conversation (where did you get those control issues from, anyway?) You don't. You don't because you don't have *any* power over what we say or what we do. No matter how much you swear and scream, we're gonna laugh. No matter how much you try and convince us we're retarded, we're going to keep talking about whatever we want. No matter how many fits you throw, we're never going to bow down and worship you for your insistent nastiness. If there's someone here who's lost control, it's you, because we have the power to just ignore you, while you don't seem to be able to stop bitching. You're not just a dickhead, you're *compelled* to be a dickhead, you don't seem to be able to stop yourself. And if you can't stop, you sure as hell ain't in control.Now, last time I wrote a nice long post to you you pretended you didn't read it. You then gave the incredibly lame excuse "oh, but I read the last line!" And then you totally forgot yourself and responded to things you claimed you hadn't read. You can go ahead and do the same again, doesn't matter to me. But you should know you're not fooling anyone.Now go ahead, call me a gay loser retard. You've only got one note, feel free to play it. BSB had you right before--you can't stop yourself from being a massive asshole, you really can't. I bet you've even convinced yourself that crippling limitation is something to be proud of.
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You're the one who persists with this idiocy. You can't let it go. Which is typical of people like you.
You presume that you're someone by your own designation in the right in acting like an ass. You're not. You're acting like an ass plain and simple. How do you combat that? Apparently your approach is to further act like an ass?
Irony is intellectual backwash. If you understood what I was saying when I made fun of you the first time you'd get that. People on day time talk shows reference irony and count themselves clever. Understand? Recognition of irony and pointing it out does not in any way impress anyone nor does it make you look smart. Quite the opposite. Doing it twice...well maybe even you can figure that out.
I pointed out your clear control issues. BSB's clear control issues. This is about the 10th time you've been clearly guilty and pegged on something and attempted to turn it around with this weird nerd-projection thing. It's kind of funny but no in a ha ha way.
Every line where you presume to speak for a group is a joke. You're a joke. I'm supposed to take you seriously? Again with the control bullshit.
For the VERY last time. If YOU ARE ABLE could you PLEASE either talk about the thread subject or SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL TOGETHER? Those are your only choices. You've wasted enough of my time.
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I applaud your attempt to get over your fixation on vulgarity, but you're doing no better in the "not being a massive asshole" category. you can complain all you like about me not being on topic, but I tried discussing The Dark Knight with you and you got too side-tracked bashing on BringingSexyBack to keep up the conversation.I'll repeat for you: Which critics is it that you think have the ear of the industry, exactly? And I'm still interested to know, if you're so intent on talking on-topic, why you keep stepping in to bash people instead of starting conversation on topic. If you recall, when I first spoke to you, you were just calling BSB a retard, rather than discussing the film. Then, when you replied to me, you went off about me trying to "take control" from you, rather than discussing the movie. Then, when I tried to discuss the movie with you, as already noted, you let the ball drop to once again take a prime advantage to call BSB a retard.I'm not the one who said we have to stay on topic all the time here. That was you. I'm sorry if we're not all playing by your rules, but at least play by your own.
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getting a little mad there, "Captain Anger"?
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Not take control from me. Assume control yourselves. It's funny to watch but anyway..I'm sure it's no fun being the type of person who needs that kind of weak validation.
I think the ass kissers at Variety have industry ear. Otherwise Jerry Weintraub wouldn't have gotten so much ink in their recent Ocean's 13 review. I'm sure you can think of a few yourself.
Still not the topic. I believe I asked if anyone knew why Jack Napier and the guys with him are dressed and acting like clowns when the scene looks to be pre-Joker change? I know at the end of Batman Begins we got the teaser with the playing card...so The Joker was acting like that before he fell in the vat? So I guess we'll still be getting back story?
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...I'm serious when I ask that question. Which critics do you think have the ear of the industry, as you seem to think all those who did clamored for more Venom in Spider-Man 3? If you can answer the question without hypocritically going on an off-topic rant first, that'd be especially good.
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I think there's no control to be had on the internet. That's the nature of it. You seem to have this mad desire to force other people to behave the way you want, though, and in the absence of physical force you're using blunt language. How's that working out for you? Has BSB killed himself yet?Actually, that is on topic--you posited that because of the critics clamoring for more Venom, TDK would feature more adult themes. Also, what did Vairety say about Venom? From what I saw they liked Grace, but said little about the scary suit... As to your question, no idea, I'm afraid.And if you ran around shouting "the grass is green" every few minutes, I'd think you were weirdly obsessed with grass. *You* keep shouting "bsb is a retard", so you can see the conclusion I'm drawing. You can stop now, we all understand, you think he's a retard. No one cares.
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Your logic, like 99% of what you say, is terminally flawed.
Has BSB killed himself? No. But he is aware that he should which is enough for me. Maybe next time he thinks about trying to be clever he'll think the whole thing through and save us another zinger like he started with in here.
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I don't think it's my logic that's flawed when you say things like "has he killed himself? No, but he's aware that he should." BSB is aware of no such thing. All he's aware of is some malicious voice on the internet said it, and then half a dozen others voiced opposition. Tell me, why do you think he's going to pay a speck of attention to a word you say? Once again, you seem to think that by screaming enough you can make us (i.e. those of us you're screaming at) change. When, in fact, all you're doing is losing any weight your opinion might have had.See, that's the thing about the internet. There's only one way to get people to do what you want, and that's by talking to them. Now, you can talk in a lot of different ways--you can make polite requests, you can reason with them, you can set a good example, or you can be a total dick and try to bully them.Guess which way is least effective?And guess which way you chose....The fact is, for whatever reason, you want something here. You want BSB to stop annoying you, you want other people to stay on topic, you want us to stop being "gay" (i.e. nice"), whatever. But you don't have any way of achieving any of that because you acted like a total shithead. Now no one wants to do anything you say, we just find you sad, amusing, or annoying (depending on the sense of humor of the person). BSB isn't aware he should kill himself, he's aware of how easy it is to make you look like an ass.What has all your vulgarity, rudeness, and undeserved condescension got you?Just out of interest, do you throw tantrums like this when people annoy you in real life?
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Wait, you mean you haven't decided to act exactly like he wants because of his constant attacks? I am so shocked! Who knew that being a total fuckoff to someone wasn't the way to get them to do you favors?
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what a fucking loser.
Usually when I type 'lol' there's a chance I'm not but man...you really are a fucking loser!
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--that you've dropped the subject of Batman again. Someone once said:"For the VERY last time. If YOU ARE ABLE could you PLEASE either talk about the thread subject or SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL TOGETHER? Those are your only choices. You've wasted enough of my time."Hey, I think you can say what you like, but that guy was a real dick, so you might want to listen to him before he yells at you.
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It's your own doing, bud. The stigma attached to your name arose from the insanity you yourself poured onto this Talkback for everyone to endure. It wasn't my doing. I'm just taking advantage of it. And you.
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I just reposted what you write and laughed.
You couldn't even follow that!?!?!?
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Welcome to 2002!
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...that you're deliberately ignoring your staggering hypocrisy?One more time..."For the VERY last time. If YOU ARE ABLE could you PLEASE either talk about the thread subject or SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL TOGETHER? Those are your only choices. You've wasted enough of my time."
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Worst of all, he's boring. He'll say something a little bit interesting or different, and then just revert to "baaaah, fuck, retard, die" mode when it doesn't pan out for him. Oh well.
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Keep it up Mary. I get these weird recognition quips from you idiots every now and then. Despite me calling you every name under the sun you can't argue with the truth. And the truth is BSB has yet to contribute anything worth reading. He persists with this psuedo social circle bullshit where he's somehow accepted. It's sad enough to make a grown man cry. Which I'm guessing he does every night while masturbating in front of old pictures of his own mother.
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Now that you've told us to eat your ass, I just don't have the strength to go on. Congratulations, you have your victory. Finally, your non-stop barrage of playground banter has defeated me.Okay, but seriously, what the heck were you trying to accomplish by saying "Eat my ass"? Like, what is a comment like that supposed to *do*? I admit, the idea repulses me slightly, but you didn't really need to convince me that you were a vile little prick, you accomplished that long ago. What was the point?
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I figure the sincerity was implied so saying sincerely was redundant. I should have expected tweedle dum and tweedle bumfucker would put their heads together and come back with their usual sarcasm and stupidity from the phantom high horse where nerds like to play.
Eat my ass,
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PS: The nameplay: priceless. It doesn't get any better than someone using the same humour that makes the rounds in most kindergarten classes while at the same time posing as the voice of reason and maturity.
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So your random vulgarities are somehow more pointed because you were signing out with them? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. Except that apparently you forgot that you need to leave your name when you sign something...And, once again, what is this "life has done a wicked job on you two" stuff supposed to accomplish? You have no idea what my life's like. And I do, and completely disagree. Why would your opinion matter to me at all? What are you trying to do by saying this stuff? It's completely meaningless. Even you can't actually *believe* what you're saying. Not unless you're manically incapable of thinking someone could find you to be an obnoxious asshole without also hating their life. Which would be, y'know, bizarre.
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Internet social circle friend!
I couldn't have pulled the trigger any better. Fantastic. BSB, the biggest retard to ever visit this site, finds legitimate solace in his "internet social circle friends". There it is for all to see: this guy actual sees this as a valid substitute for a genuine life. Now he's off to see his acronym, I'm guessing alone or with some blood relation, and he'll return to hang out...with his internet social circle friends.
Dude, get some fucking help.
Internet.
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This is exactly why I need to point out irony to you. You seem to be completely oblivious to it otherwise.
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You need to accept that you're a dork who has a man fan in BSB.
This is not an internet social circle you fucking moron. You can't show up late and then start pegging people with your own ill formed opinions. This is a place to bitch. It always has been.
You aren't as bad as BSB. I can give you that.
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Do you *still* not understand that BSB was totally mocking you with that post? And you made an utter fool of yourself by taking him seriously? And, personally, I can't imagine why you would think merely pointing out irony was an attempt to prove intelligence. Irony is a very simple thing, and usually very obvious. I'm not proving my intelligence, only your obliviousness. Trust me, simply being smarter than you would in no way satisfy my need to feel intelligent.
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...you try to force everyone to play by your rules. And once again, you fail miserably. "This is a place for bitching"--well, that explains why you do nothing but, but you saying it doesn't compel any of us to follow your sad example.
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Guess we'll see what I think. I'm still just hoping that Ratatouille and Order of the Phoenix will pull things around. And maybe, *maybe*, Live Free or Die Hard hasn't been pussified too much in getting that PG-13...
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*golf clap*
Just for a moment, try and step outside your confined little retard perception. Understand that you are being mocked and laughed at and the only way to stop it is to shut up. As I told you long ago. Don't try to will the situation to your favour. You've been fucked. Instead of crying and walking away, you've just been trying to back up onto my rod so you can tell everyone that you are in fact fucking me. It doesn't work that way though. You know it doesn't. I know it doesn't. Everyone knows it doesn't. You have been fucked. Now shut up you pathetic little nerd. No attempts to be "ironic" or any other dumbshit GED terms you picked up from watching Springer can flip this for you. No not so clever alliterations on a fucking internet handle will suffice. You've been fucked because you're a God damned retard who should never had tried to be funny. You fell flat and I've been kicking the shit out of you ever since. So your boyfriend came to the rescue with his level head which he earned by being...well probably some old ass loser who thinks he's the fucking wise old owl by default and can act as judiciary. Stick to...well anything else you might be good at. Eating? Whatever it is, it's not being smart. It's not being clever. That's not your thing Z. You have a man fan in BSB. I guess you can count that as your own little win? At the end of it at least you have each other? Love will set you free? Who cares. -
You're still being fucked.
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I'm 25. And I'm very, very smart. Calling me old and calling me stupid doesn't change any of that.But, then, that's the thing, I'm not trying to be smart here. I'm already smart, and I was smarter than you by the time I was eight years old, if the level of your smack-talk is any indication. I simply find it fascinating that you persist in trying to modify people's behavior by sheer force of words. You swear, you shout, you insult, and you persist in doing this despite receiving no reward for this effort whatsoever.But, then, people don't do things without rewards. So the reward for you isn't getting BSB to shut up, it isn't to make him realize he should kill himself, it isn't to get people back on topic--you've constructed and discarded these bullshit motivations faster than the Bush administration on Iraq. So I wonder what the motivation is. Are you hoping to prove you can outlast us in some test of will? Are you trying to save face after half a dozen people have called you on being a colossal dick, and a few laughable gaffes? Are you simply seeking attention?You wouldn't keep doing this unless you got something out of it. Yet, you keep refusing to tell me what it is. Do you even know? Hmm.
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Fucking idiots often seem to be too stupid to realize they're fucking idiots.
The Bush crack? Wow. How...um...lame? Did you think that was clever? Of course you did. Which is sad.
What's the validation? Watching you fucking asshats make fools of yourselves. It's entertainment.
What's your reward? Nothing. Unless you like being humiliated? If that's the case I'm sure BSB would gladly throw a diaper on you and lock you in his basement for a weekend.
So tell me what you get out of it. Hell let's just ask questions back and forth while you consistently assume your in the right and are superior. That comical cognitive blank stare while you try to think of something to ask instead of facing up to the reality of the situation.
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Oh, you're right. I'm a fucking idiot because you said it enough times. How do you not understand how this works? You say something, it is totally irrelevant, I ignore it, the end. Are you expecting something different? You know what they say about people who do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, right?The "Bush crack" as you put it was not an attempt to be particularly clever, it was an accurate illustration of your behavior. And remains so. So this is entertainment now? How does it entertain you to use the same unimaginative insults over and over? How does it entertain you to continually tell people to shut up, only to have them not, in fact, shut up? Do you get some strange pleasure out of giving people orders you know they'll refuse?As for my reward here, I'd have thought that obvious: I'm curious as to what you'll do next. Unfortunately, that's becoming increasingly obvious: you'll call names, claim victory, and dismiss opposition again and again, never actually employing any logic, never saying anything clever or cutting, never becoming any more interesting. You have your moments, where you suddenly shift tactics to try whatever you're doing from a different angle, but on the whole it's just lather-wash-repeat. ah well. Do you have more in you somewhere?
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He seems to be under the impression that being polite or productive is a sign of weakness. And I think it's pretty clear he's got some insecurities he's overcompensating for--he's not just an asshole, he's a *compulsive* asshole. He literally can't seem to stop himself from being incredibly unpleasant. I'm thinking either he's got a lot of frustration he can't vent in real life without getting his ass kicked or, maybe, he's just reached a point in this conversation where he feels like if he gave up on being an asshole now, it would be admitting defeat. I mean, let's face it, enough people have called him on his BS by now that he must realize we're not idiots. And I and others have made it clear if he just grew up and laid off the pathetic slams we'd treat him like anyone else. But if he stopped being an asshole now, that would mean he was wrong to be an asshole in the first place, and I don't think he could deal with ebing wrong.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you on Pirates. I really enjoyed it, for the most part. Definitely liked it more than the last one, though not as much as the first.
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Wow. What colour is the sky in your...oh never mind.
Why bother?
I'll just let you two love birds make yourselves you stupid some more. -
You know damn well we're not idiots, and repeating it again and again makes it no more true. And the fact that all you can do is insult people over and over certainly doesn't speak to your own intelligence. Even when given every opportunity, you've totally failed to discuss the topic (which, you claimed was your aim), act like a civil human being (which you dismiss as "gay"), or, in fact, make any impression whatsoever other than that of an angry, bitter prick who's convinced if he just insults people enough eventually he can prove he's better than them. If that's not your self-image, you should be aware of exactly what the impression you leave on others is.
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Plenty of people seemed to agree with you, though, the critics have been pretty fuckin' harsh. I think it's probably a certain amount of backlash from 2, though-- think when a sequel disappoints, critics tend to gibe it pretty good reviews anyway, then realize they don't like it that much, and take out that frustration on the third movie. See: The Matrix Trilogy. And, yeah, "make yourselves you stupid some more" was a giveaway there...
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I liked the end of DMC, but I thought the first half was choppy, and there were too many little jokes that fell kinda flat for me and too many little references to the first movie that drew me out of the movie. I certainly didn't dislike it, but it seemed a lot more slipshod in terms of the storytelling and editing to me. I didn't get that so much from AWE. Hope you like it better next time.
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Very clear that you're both idiots.
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...that you are so totally impotent? You keep insulting people, but you're not doing anything. You're not convincing us, or anyone else, that we're stupid. Why are you bothering? Do you have even a shred of introspection in you, or are you as incapable of self-awareness as you are of sticking to the topic, coming up with a creative insult, and restraining your urge to be a dick?
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...that all you do is ask these rhetorical open ended questions in an attempt to get the answer you want or make some benign point that is poignant and clever to you and you alone?
Does it bother you that you're a fucking idiot?
Would you agree that you and BSB should walk hand in hand out in front of a bus?
Would you mind going and fucking yourself?
Is this ironic?
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Not at all, as I said before, I'm genuinely interested in understanding your motivations here. Because, on the surface, it seems to me that you're just banging your head against a wall, attacking and attacking with no hope of accomplishing anything. I find that pretty fascinating, as, as I've mentioned before, people are generally motivated by rewards. You claim you're amused, but why would it amuse you to sling boring insults that accomplish nothing? And you don't act like a person who's amused, you yell and swear and throw out increasingly nonsensical attacks. So the big question for me is why. And whether you're going to tell me honestly or not (and I rather think this is a case of "not", because I doubt even you have a clue why you do the things you do), I hold out hope that if all your nonsense holds out long enough I'll eventually deduce it myself.For instance, it's already become obvious that you associate any politeness or sign of respect with being gay. Now, the question is why? Is it because you suffer from a lack of respect and friendship in your life, and so seek to devalue it so you don't have to admit its absence is a problem? Is it because you associate being polite or friendly with weakness, and you also labor under the equally woeful opinion that being gay is a weakness, so you make that clear by associating the two? I think that one may be closer to the mark, myself, because you seem to want to view yourself as powerful. After my very first post to you you started spouting about "control" issues without me having even hinted at them, and your responses to us are so boring, yet so unrelenting, that I can only think you feel obliged to continue them so as not to appear to have "lost". For some reason or another, it seems to me that you have hung some part of your self-image on badgering us into submission with constant boring insults. From the start you have acted like a bully, and it's hardly unusual for bullies to attack others to try and assert their power because they feel powerless in some other regard. That's my current assessment of you. I could be well off-target, but, I admit, you're making it difficult to tell by sticking to your little formula of "make lame attack-dodge questions-claim victory".
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You just did it all over again.
Which again proves you're a fucking idiot.
You're so incredibly stupid. -
Except, still, those questions aren't rhetorical, I'm not looking for any particular answers, I don't regard you with any particular benevolence, and I'm in no way attempting to be poignant. So, yes, I've "done it again" in the sense that once again I've apparently confused you with honesty and good natured inquisitiveness.But, then, I keep forgetting that the real sign of intelligence is when you do nothing but spout lame insults and swear. Right, err, "asscock"? (by the way, the fact that you thought "asscock" was a slam is funnier than anything I've said this entire conversation, I'll grant you that)
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Apparently irony is such a troubling concept that no one would ever reference it unless they were trying to look real smart. Kind of like "being polite" and "making sense". It's just a way of showing off. Wait, was that irony? Damn.
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Stupormarch is still at it? I really can't be arsed reading all the posts.Has he managed to make anyone commit suicide yet?
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while at work, i'm going over to the new transformers one which just came on. Stupormarch will follow us over i'm sure.
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Stupormarch is a gaylord.
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...is that we're moving, so be it. New Transformers Talkback, eh? Sounds like a riot already. Literally, not a laugh riot, just a riot.
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Yeah you guys are hopeless losers.
Get real fucking friends. Except BSB. I stand by my instruction for you to kill yourself. You're too far gone. Seriously in ten years you'll wish you had ended it all now. Being a failure will never become fashionable no matter how much you want it to be.
Have fun with your internet social circle, losers. I hope the world crushes you a little less today. -
...because we're polite and friendly online, in real life we have no friends? Hmm. Funny, in my experience the people who have no friends are total assholes on-line because they have so much pent up anger at being friendless. Not that I'm implying anything...
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how long are you gonna keep it up?
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How long WILL they keep it up?
I posted quite clearly when I stopped caring. Which was a long ass time ago.
In your experience ZB I'm sure a lot of things are contorted, twisted, and just plain bullshitted so they don't make you look like the complete fucking retard you really are.
If you had real friends you wouldn't feel so vindicated by each others cyber backing. lol You wouldn't need the virtual attention and adoration. But you do. Because you're losers. I hope I cleared that up.
Post again now. Post something strange and make sure to make bold unjustified assupmtions in an attempt to reverse this fucking. Do it now. Thanks. -
perche tanto oddio? ¿por qué tanto odio? hvorfor saa mye hat? why so much hate?
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Come on, you're telling me that people can't be nice to each other online unless the don't have any friends? Bullshit. You know as well as I do that it's the angry assholes who are taking out their geek aggression. You can pretend that we don't have lives, or we're just trying to make up for a lack of real life friends with on-line friends, but that still doesn't make it true. I don't want to get into some tirade listing all my friends, how often I have sex with my fiance, what I got on my SATs, whatever, because I don't have any way to prove it online. But you sure as hell can't convince me I'm a friendless idiot loser, either, 'cause I know for fact it ain't true. And the thing is, no one ELSE believes your bullshit either, so once again we have the question of WHY DO YOU BOTHER?You claim you stopped caring long ago, yet here you still are. What keeps driving you to get the last word? If we're idiot losers, have the fucking balls to just ignore us. None of us did a thing to you, all I or pd or whoever did was call you on being a total dickwad to BSB. You seem to be okay with your identity as a total dickwad, so why do you give a fuck if we're still here saying it? Once again, what are you getting out of all this? Because we all know you're not amused by it, you're clearly too angry and desperate for that. Let me hint you into something: happy people don't lash out at others. It's true. People who are happy and well-adjusted need a REASON to be a total asshole, and you've shown you can't find a reason NOT to. So what's your deal, man? We've made it clear we're willing to play nice the second you stop acting like a prick, yet you refuse to do so. Once again, what is the motivation for this bizarre compulsive behavior?
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No hate here, honestly. Most of us have told this guy several times we'd be happy to have a normal, civil conversation, but he always responds with streams of profanities and the claim that he's "fucking us". Weird, right? I'd really like to understand just what goes on inside his head that justifies being such a prick.
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zb is a fucking loser.
BSB would be better off dead.
Respond now please.
Thanks. -
Insult, rinse, repeat, we get it, we still don't care...
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scicle
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Type something now.
Thanks. -
In an effort to gain the illusion of "control", you're giving me orders you know I'll respond to. Rather like the episode of the Simpsons where Bart gives Santa's Little Helper orders such as "go over there" and "sniff that other dog's butt". Or if I told you "say something stupid" or "waste more bandwidth".The fact is, we're responding to each other. You say something, I say something back, then you say something again. You're not controlling me by making me say something--unless I'm also controlling you by making you say things. For example: Type something! Go ahead! Do it! Of course, the only way to prove you are, in fact, the one in control now would be to shut up. Personally, I don't think you have it in you.
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Can you hear me? In your head?
You're a sad little person aren't you?
TYPE for me Corky!
You too pussy!
Then wait for the voices in your head that you've associated with me. -
BSB, dude, he totally burned you with semantics! How will you ever live with yourself?
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We see that Supermarch literally can't stop himself from being a dickwad. He has no control over it, he's just compelled. Oh well.
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It's a never ending pit of dipshittery. I'm so proud of the both of you.
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"I'm so proud of the both of you." I'm touched by your sincerity.
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This has been going on for ages. Hi long time reader, first time caller.
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I think this is the point where I'm supposed to ask you to be bestest friend forever and be a groom at my wedding and shit. Please forgive me if I just say "hi, there" instead.
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a groomsman, not a groom. Only I get to be a groom. And don't let my fiance tell you otherwise.
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Hello there. How is it going? Dont worry man, as long as I get to be the priest or something?? No? Ok
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Well, I'll let you send us a gift, how's that? I'll let you know as soon as we register somewhere.
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Niccceeee. Ill just let u know im Lactose Intolerant, so i cant have an dairy products. Ah well what can you do?
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Hmm, might be a problem, we're thinking of making it a pizza-centric wedding. We'll see what we can do to accommodate you.
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I wonder why he doesn't show up elsewhere? Must be all that niceness and kindness he sees on other threads. I hear that the simple goodness of a pure heart is his only weakness.
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--he's intimidated because that Gabriel Gray guy does the same routine he does, except with more gusto.
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At least that guy, while an idiot, doesn't try to clothe what he is in transparent justifications.
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SO I figured I'd check in on the slow kids.
Still colouring outside the lines I see.
Gabriel Gray is an asshat who floods with bullshit. I point out dickheadery and make up words because the dictionary doesn't provide sufficient cursing to describe how much a fucking cockwad BSB is. All are perfectly cromulent words.
It is you two fucking assbandits who need justification. Not only for your boring ass posts, your shitty collective sense of humour, and your weight, but your very existence too. And if you're ont fat I don't care. I'll never see you and in my head you're both bloated masochistic retards who take breaks from WOW to come check here for wanking material. -
I like how you call *us* boring when you just repeat the same cliche bullshit attacks over and over. I'll add that to your list of bullshit hypocrisy--along with "being on topic or shutting up" (good job) and "irony is for losers" (were you being ironic when you said that?)
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You and he are almost identical, except he doesn't bullshit about what he is. You come on here and bitch and attack, again and again, for no reason whatsoever. You distract from the topic at hand, act like an asshole to everyone who calls you on your bullshit, declare some irrelevant victory of pwnage, and repeat yourself ad infinitum. You could learn something from him. After all, he wanks in your face.
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Grow the fuck up you pencil dicked little retard.
I started this whole thing against BSB because he demonstrated GG behavior with his dumbass rag munching garbage.
You need to turn those criticisms inward you fat fuck. You're boring, you repeat yourself, and you have yet to stray anywhere near the topic at hand without being directed in such direction by moi.
I am a completely different animal than that fucking quad. You are too though you seem to share an IQ. -
I was talking about the topic before I said a damn thing to you, and I tried to engage you in actual conversation before you started in on your clearly bullshit "stay on topic" rationale was presented to me. You started this whole thing against BSB because he annoyed you, and you chose to handle it like a total asshole instead of a rational human being. How's that worked out for you? Has he stopped annoying you yet? You're the one that needs to grow up, because you seem to think you can just bitch and moan until people act like you want. That work for you in real life better than it does here?
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I really don't understand why he thinks what he does is so much better than what GG did. All he does is launch profanities at people, tell them "you can't win/take control", and then do it all over again whenever someone new draws his attention. The only difference I see is that Supermarch occasionally claims he's "trying to stay on topic", even though when people TRY to talk to him about the topic, he abandons it for more swearing and insults...
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You don't get it. You can't seem to wrap your heads around the fact that EVERY point you think you've made about me can be applied to yourselves...of course double since there's two of you fucking idiots.
This passed annoying a LONG time ago. The you guys took it to a new low. After that I just bugged my eyes every time I read something from you because you never really say anything. You critique me. You're the perennial superfans who have no original thoughts or contributions of their own. No wonder you call this place home.
Respond..don't respond...I don't give a fuck. If this is one of your little victories in having the last word well then that speaks volumes about the sad state of your lives. You can come back at that with whatever claim you want but I work with a computer and can jump in here while being productive throughout my days (and lately nights). You two just waste time because you have that much time to waste. So how can you be at all happy? There is so much evidence to back every claim I've made about you two.
You two are worse than Gabriel Gray. He was trying to be annoying, you two clods can't help it.
By all means tongue kiss each other's assholes on this for a while. I'm not bothering to enable your dementia any further. -
I used "pwnage" ironically in that post, supermarch, and I don't know if you noticed but you lost any fucking ability to convincingly criticize irony a couple of posts up. You fucking *PWNED* yourself by employing irony in the same post you dismissed it, and you can keep ignoring that fact as readily as you ignored your idiotic "STAY ON TOPIC OR SHUT THE FUCK UP" posts while REFUSING to stay on topic yourself, but the fact is it's all there in fucking text for everyone to see. At every turn you present some new bullshit defense for your inability to be a decent guy, and then you immediately blow that defense to shit with your own fucking words. You can keep on being the biggest fucking asshole in the world, I don't really care, but the stink of hypocrisy you throw off is getting rank.Look, you're an asshole. You must KNOW you're an asshole. No matter how stupid, retarded, or pathetic we may be, only an asshole would keep bitching about it this long. If you're going to be an asshole, just stand up and admit it, don't try to make it seem like you're doing some service to the board by shitting on anyone who annoys you. Because all you've accomplished is to convince us to draw out this bullshit with you far longer than any bullshit we may've come up with on our own would have lasted. The only reason you're doing this now is because you're an asshole, and for whatever fucked up reason, you enjoy being an asshole. That's you. Own it. Say it proud. You're a real fucking asshole.
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--he checks back and reads these posts. If he has the willpower to not be an asshole and respond, I'll be proud of him, honestly. But I'll betcha a thousand bucks he reads it, because anyone who tries that hard to shut other people up through nothing but swearing and insults is narcissistic enough that they actually think people should pay attention to their swearing and insults.And I think that's the big issue here. For whatever reason, Supermarch really, really wanted everyone to do what he said, and he didn't seem to know how to accomplish that except through bullying and bitching. In other words, he was an asshole. Even when we tried to engage him, he seemed to think that playing nice would be some kind of weakness. And I hope to god the reason he's stopping now is that he's finally realized that yelling and swearing doesn't do shit but make you look like an asshole. Maybe he'll be better next time.
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--but thanks. And that's the thing, right? He seemed so focused on having control, or winning, or whatever, that all you have to do to prove him wrong is to not give in to him being a bullying prick. To think that you can "control" a conversation on the internet, or that you can stop people acting exactly as they like, is a delusional power trip. Ten to one says he doesn't keep up his bullshit this long again, 'cause now he knows how useless it is. Still wish I understood where he got his whacked out ego in the first place.
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seeing that you retards keep at it is enough to tell me I was DEAD on in every accusation I made.
Nerd on losers!
Keep crying for me. Type more now. Thanks.
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at least thanks to you guys this Batman talkback by now has to be one of the longest ones ever? Just goes to prove Batman is the greatest. Kind Marmoset put up a link to the Miller/Aaronofsky script of Bats Year One on the other Bat tb...wow... its brutal. what could have been.
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Someone owes me a thousand bucks.
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...how we're the losers for sitting here still chatting, but he's A-OK for coming back to check in on us (but, of course, NOT READ AT ALL!) and insult us. Yeah. Oooookay.
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Go to ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com and highlight the hidden text. It looks like the big full reviel will be in December.
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"Alright!! I love Sex and the City
by BringingSexyBack Jul 4th, 2007
09:38:23 PM
Really miss that show. Yes, it's pretentious and unrealistic and over-the-top, etc. But it was fun escapism and cleverly written. The final episode was so romantic, a perfect capper to Carrie and Mr. Big's relationship. It'll be interesting to see how they continue that storyline."
And....I thank you.
Nail meet mr coffin. BSB is the biggest fucking douchebag loser this site has and will ever see. He provides all the proof himself.
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