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Something interesting from The Hollywood Reporter’s Friday morning story on the Thursday CW upfronts:
At a news conference after the presentation, [CW entertainment president Dawn] Ostroff confirmed that "Veronica Mars" has solved her last case in her current incarnation but that no final decision has been made on a proposed new version of the series by creator Rob Thomas in which the title character, played by Kristen Bell, is at the FBI Academy.
This would seem to be confirmed by a report from TV Guide's Michael Ausiello:
The press conference is over. I tackle Dawn just as she tries to escape and I ask her to level with me. Is Veronica dead? "Veronica Mars is over, but we're talking about something else. I don't know if it's going to be anything. I'm being honest with you. It could come back in some form, but I don't know what form that would be." She confirmed that the deadline to make a decision is "somewhere around" the June 15 date I referred to previously.
"Veronica" mastermind Rob Thomas' subsequent comments to Ausiello, however, would seem to shed more doubtiness:
"I assume that anything Dawn would be talking about in the realm of a Rob-Kristen project would involve a new from-scratch pilot as they don't have me in a deal, and they'll lose Kristen in a couple of weeks."
The final 2-hour episode of Veronica’s “current incarnation” hits The CW next Tuesday.


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  • May 18, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST


    by trm1138

    yeah i think so

  • May 18, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Do it.

    by Shermdawg

    Have it follow BETTY:DEA

  • May 18, 2007, 3:18 a.m. CST

    screw vm, bring back angel

    by Bob C. Cock

    kristen is pretty as hell, but that show blows.

  • May 18, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    screw angel, bring back raven

    by Shermdawg


  • May 18, 2007, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Don't tease me, you bi-yatch!

    by Zardoz

    Okay, I'm sorry. Just don't leave me, V! Wait! Don't go! I'll always love you! Call me....

  • May 18, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    bring back Angel and VM but Rob Thomas said VM was dead

    by Demosthenes2

    At you can read all about it. Apparently the VM writers have already been offered jobs that they will now be taking. Rob Thomas didn't know exactly what Dawn Ostroff was talking about in regard to a project for him and Kristen, but I guess the Hollywood Reporter just inferred, perhaps presumptuously, she was referencing the FBI pitch (it sounds like she was really vague and evasive, which is annoying, like she's not ready to confront the backlash of the cancellation). If that new version were to go, then I suppose Rob would have to find a new batch of writers. It would be nice to see VM live on in some form, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I suspect the CW will draw a lot of criticism next season in regard to their choices in scheduling, so I hope there's some poetic justice.

  • May 18, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST


    by Mr_X

    <p>where the fucks the communication from WB? rob is no idea and conflicting reports appear, will someone please get to the bootom of this? IT like a phone call saying your friend is dead, you going to the mortuary and ID'ing the body only o find out there was a mix up, then getting a call from your friend who phones from a mobile whilst driving says he's ok, and then you hear the car crash over the phone.</p>

  • May 18, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST


    by DOGSOUP

    "Give her a gun and badge with her loose morals" is what I've always said.

  • May 18, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Zombie Veronica Mars

    by Mr_X

    is better the pussycat whores

  • May 18, 2007, 4:05 a.m. CST


    by DOGSOUP

    Hehehe just kidding...

  • May 18, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    That it is a going to happen.

  • May 18, 2007, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Bring back Homeboys from outerspace

    by glodene

    The CW needs to go back to their humble roots and dig through their treasure trove of lost-leader canon fodder suchas Moesha, The Wayan Bros., The Parkers and Jamie Foxx, the new generation: Nick Cannon, Meagan Good, Kat Williams, etc. They're cheap, available and exploitable.

  • May 18, 2007, 4:32 a.m. CST

    It's dead, time to move on.

    by The Selecter

    3 seasons was a lot longer than anybody could have anticipated with such a small audience (most of which could probably be counted if you rounded up all the VM comments on the net).<br><br>Now, KB can move onto projects that will make her a bigger star, RT will know how to handle TV execs and hopefully not grovel at their feet again, and the CW can wallow in its mediocrity.

  • May 18, 2007, 4:46 a.m. CST

    FBI Mars

    by Chilli815

    VM is dead, and Rob Thomas has said he has no idea what Dawn-O is talking about regarding a new project. If she's got one for him, she hasn't mentioned it to him yet. I think we're getting the ol' damage control.

  • May 18, 2007, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Its DEAD! Rob said so himself!!

    by 404notfound

    Stop posting glimmers of hope damnit!!!

  • May 18, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST


    by Bad_Lieutenant121

    It's not over til it's over!! Just sayin...

  • May 18, 2007, 5:54 a.m. CST


    by Chilli815

    The creator has said its dead, time to let it go.

  • May 18, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Yeah, even I'm giving up

    by MemBirdman

    I still think Sports Night should be resurrected, yet I'm throwing in the towel. I don't want to wait in anticipation for something that may never come.

  • May 18, 2007, 6:18 a.m. CST

    On the subject of zombies ...

    by Shan

    ... this show seems stuck in the "it's not alive and yet not quite dead yet" realm. Though unfortunately it's probably just going to end up dead. On another note, it's a shame that they didn't give Angel a 12 or so (10-14) season six to properly finish things off. On the other hand, given the rate they're killing shows off in Season 1-4 these days, I guess the fact it made 5 full seasons of 22 episodes a piece increasingly seems like an anomalous miracle (and the writers/creators of Angel should have planned for the possibility of cancellation at the end of season 5 much sooner than they did and not been so surprised when it happened in retrospect, I guess ...).

  • May 18, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Why didn't Charlie just cut the cable?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Or shoot it or blow it up or follow it to the broadcast tower and unplug it?

  • May 18, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Shan, more like Schrödinger's cat

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Both alive and dead until an observer collapses it to a single state.

  • May 18, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST


    by Chilli815

    Dude, please keep the Lost out of this TB. Go use the T.A.P.S one if you have to use one. This is for mourning a great show, not prattling on about a vaguely coherent one.

  • May 18, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Stop it.

    by mrwilson2000

    It's dead. I'm pissed. But man, let it go. This "well, maybe not" crap is going nowhere and giving me a headache. "Arrested Development" all over again.

  • May 18, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Without Kristen Bell

    by jae683

    Without Kristen Bell, it would be pointless anyway.

  • May 18, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Not the same

    by VitaminJ

    The show won't be the same without the old supporting cast... but it would be exciting to start over from scratch with Veronica in a new setting and all new characters.

  • May 18, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by Atomik Steve

    i hope they make the FBI show, otherwise they will have one less household watching their network.

  • May 18, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    yeah, it really doesn't sound likely

    by newc0253

    It sounds like something the network would say to placate fans. It sounds exactly like the kind of stuff they said at the end of Angel, or Firefly, or any other show they shitcanned for no reason. It's hot air and it costs them nothing: "Oh sure, we're in talks about the possibility of doing X in a new format" = translation: "We have no intention of continuing this show in any way shape or form, but we're happy to make it sound like we'd still like to do something with the people we just shitted on".

  • May 18, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Veronica Gets Lost on the Drive to Jericho...

    by Kid Z

    Our heroine gets accepted to the FBI Academy and leaves on a long drive to Quantico, Virginia. Needing some extra cash, and approached by a mysterious agent serving unknown employers, she agrees to his proposal to enter a mysterious race. The payoff is quite generous if she wins... and the finish line is in Virginia, near her original destination. However, passing through an idyllic small town in Kansas, the unthinkable happens... Nuclear War! Seeing a distant mushroom cloud, she crashes her car into another driver in the race (the crazy housewife carrying a babydoll). Veronica is knocked unconscious for who knows how long. When she awakens, she's on this strange, subropical island, along with the other drivers, their cars, and the residents of the Kansas town. She is again approached by the race agent who this time is accompanied by a strange and threatening bug-eyed man. Seems they work for the same strange organization. What do they want? Not only that, there is a sudden roaring sound as the trees in the island jungle start being knocked over! An uptight looking guy, followed by an Arab, a fat dude, a shaggy-haired redneck and a Scotsman run up. The uptight guy grabs her arm and shouts, "Come with me!" The Scotsman chimes in, "If ye dunna run now, ye're gunna DIE, sistah!" Tune in for Episode 1.2 next week.

  • May 18, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    let the network know what you think:

    by mollyunravel i'd like to forward every comment i see on the message boards... but i'm supposed to be working right now.

  • May 18, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Chilli815, Great? Supernatural got renewed this dumped.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Supernatural renewed and this dumped. <p> Supernatural isn't the best show out there. It's barely tolerable. <p> But it got renewed. <p> That shows just how bad the cancelled Mars was. <p> FBI academy my ass. They are just trying to ease your pain.

  • May 18, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    On any real network...

    by rockgolf

    VM would have been cancelled in 6 weeks or less. We got 3 years. I can't complain.

  • May 18, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    no more Buffy or Mars, EVER

    by bamboogrove

    you heard it here guys. you will NEVER get another Buffy or Buffy spinoff show, Firefly is fucking history, and please let Mars die as well.

  • May 18, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    sorry for you lost

    by Shakes

    I said this in the "is it or isn't canceled" talkback on this show last week, sorry for your loss guys. I tried watching and couldn't get into it myself, but I know how you feel.

  • May 18, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by Chilli815

    How do poor ratings = lame TV? That makes zero sense, the same way an idiot saying 'great ratings = good tv' makes no sense. VM was consistently awesome, which few shows manage to be.

  • May 18, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by Chilli815

    How do poor ratings = lame TV? That makes zero sense, the same way an idiot saying 'great ratings = good tv' makes no sense. VM was consistently awesome, which few shows manage to be.

  • May 18, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Double post

    by Chilli815

    Damn this TB.

  • May 18, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Spinoff idea

    by paulrichard

    Maybe Veronica could audition to be the next Pussycat Doll?

  • May 18, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Veronica Mars R.I.P. (2004-2007)

    by nemesisdarkside

    I can't accept this, but I'm gonna have to. WHY!?!?!?!?<P>Frak the CW!<P>Frak Nielsen households!<P>Frak the Pussycat Dolls!<P>Frak American Idol!<P>Frak One Tree Hill!<P>Frak all the people watching trash while an excellent show like this can barely muster 2.5M viewers!<P>Screw the CW, I'm gonna make my own network, with blackjack and hookers..actually forget about the network. ;D

  • May 18, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    I only ever watched to see Kristin Bell...

    by Kid Z

    ... Yet another "Hot Chick with Weird Face"! Cross-eyed and crook-mouthed, but hot. Deb/Mac wasn't half-bad either sans the 80's wardrobe and weird ponytails.

  • May 18, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Veronica Mars and a hit song with Carlos Santana?

    by trojanwilliams

    Is there anything Rob Thomas can't do?<br><br> Give me your heart, make it real, or else forget about it<br><br>...gets me every time.

  • May 18, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Veronica Mars:CTU

    by BigTuna

    C'mon. It would be great.

  • May 18, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Do it!

    by George Peppard

    "F.B.I. -Federal Bureau of Impudent-Sassy girl"

  • May 18, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Bring it on!


    Veronica Mars needs to stay - but not in it's current form. The only good thing about the show are Veronica and her father. I could even handle it if daddy was relegated to an occasional guest star. The rest of the cast I could live with out. Lame Piz, lamr token black guy, lame stereotypical latino criminal, lame girlfirend who was a really adorable child actress who grew up not so adorable, lame self-absorbed former boyfriend and his imbicile blonde buddy - they can all take a flying leap. Junior FBI gilr Mars would be a much better take. Basically a witty and clever Clarice Starling. Even if they don't do the show - let her character jump to 4 years in the future - already gone through rookie training and now a junior agent – and have her join CBS's Criminal Minds as the new BAU girl.

  • May 18, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    CW - the new FOX?


    CW is as lame as Fox when it comes to shows. Fox said goodbye to Andy Ricter controls the universe, Firefly, Wonderfalls, Drive and never even ran shows they owned like Buffy and Angel. But god forbid we don't get to see AMERICAN IDOL!! CW ditches Gilmore Girls (sure it was going downhill this season, but it still had some legs) and VM - but keeps One Tree Hill and Pussycat Dolls (who's last winner will never be a member of thre group it appears) - and has anyone ever seen an episode of Girlfiends? Let's face it. The general population are lemmings. They don't want engaging, quirky smart-written shows? NO WAY! They want bubble-gum fluff. And Fox and CW delivers. I am shocked FOX kept House (which I believe is a CBS or NBC owned series). Hugh Laurie is GOD!

  • May 18, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Not surprising

    by spike37

    While I'm sadded VM will be cancelled it's hard not to admit that this season is nowhere near the standands set by season one. The show has been on a slow decline ever since then.

  • May 18, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by Fabulous Freak


  • May 18, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Evilwizardglick, that was brilliant.

    by Shan

    A fantastic analogy, however, I feel that an observer would collapse it into a single state of "cancelled", never to be seen again. The obvious solution would be to not look and continue to say to ourselves that the show is still on. If we don't look at the CW, we can keep convincing ourselves this is true. Angel must be on Season 8 or 9 or somthing by now I think ...

  • May 18, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I saw VM

    by emeraldboy

    and wondered what all the fuss was about. Before I saw it, I would come on to this site and hear about a show which seemed to be pointing in a comic book direction. but alas. it was not to be. all she did solve peoples problems, while investigating her mothers death and after that ridiculous dream sequence where she is on pond with her mother. and that over hyped cliffhanger. by the end of season 2 i was done with this show. So I wont miss it. Goodbye and good riddance.

  • May 18, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    its a different show

    by TheHichhiker

    The FBI show is not same as VM show, just shares a character, kinda like a spin off, so while VM is definitely dead, the other show is just like any other pitch - not alive enough to be dead. If it makes it, good, if not, we'll move on to whatever else RT comes up with - so far he is made at least 2 good shows, chances are there will be a #3. But Rob, a bit of advice, DON'T CAST Paula Marshal - she is the kiss of death.

  • May 18, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Fuck, more false hope...

    by DanielKurland

    Stop jerking us around, we've been burned too many times!

  • May 18, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Aussie soap Neighbours

    by emeraldboy

    was bought by Channel 5 off the bbc. for 300million . Neighbours is not just a tv show its a brand. The decline of advertising is causing a decline in audiences figures. worldwide. Which is why fox and other tv networks are cancelling shows left right and centre. I studied business in college so understand marketing and branding.

  • May 18, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Is "doubtiness" like...

    by sparkflyer

    ..."truthiness"? Idiot.

  • May 18, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    well you could say doubtfulness

    by Demosthenes2


  • May 18, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST


    by Scooter McGavin

    This reminds me of when the WB said they were going to do a couple Angle movies a year. It is just a ploy to keep fans from completely hating her and her worthless network. It nice to see Rob Thomas called her out.

  • May 18, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST


    by Mezzanine

    If this show comes back in a new incarnation, Ill be sure to check out the pilot. I never really watched VM, but from everything I have heard about it, I am kind of kicking myself for not paying attention to it when it was on.

  • May 18, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    2 possibilities

    by twitchinmonkey

    Either, A) Mars 2.0 gets picked up and I get to keep watching a great show, or, B) it gets cancelled for good and I never, ever, ever have to watch the CW again. I believe this is what's known as a Win/Win.