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‘We’re About To Go To War!!’ SWEEPS DAY 19!! 24 6.22!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
“Please let me go!! They’re taking my child!!”
“Stay close to me!!”
“Cover me now!!”
“I’m taking you away from this ungrateful country!!”
“Where??”
“China!!”
“Who knows about me and the Russians?? WHO KNOWS????”
“We’re About To Go To War!!”
Fox says:
“As the climactic conclusion to 'Day Six' nears, the Administration copes with a compromising situation as Jack Bauer stops at nothing to get what he wants and to protect the country from an international incident that could change the world forever. Powers Boothe as Vice President Noah Daniels, Chad Lowe as Reed Pollock, Ricky Schroder as Mike Doyle, Kari Matchett as Lisa Miller and Nick Jameson as Russian President Yuri Suvarov.”
Will Peter MacNicol make it all the way through the season? Will he be back next season? Will he be no longer a regular on the exciting CBS procedural “Numb3rs”?
And who will turn up in the final scene of next week’s season finale? Soul-Patch Tony Alemeida? Naked Mandy? David Palmer?
“The Unit” stays on CBS’ bubble until Wednesday. If David Palmer came back, would all be well again?
There’s a lot of talk about spinning the show in a new direction next year. But how much can it change? Would it still be “24” with Jack Bauer but without the constantly compromised Counter Terrorism Unit?
9 p.m. Monday. Fox.
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But It's going to be hard for the writers. We need more lone Jack action with no one telling him what he can and can't do. BUT, we also need Bill, Chloe...and probably some others too. It's just that CTU is getting real old. I mean, how many times can this place survive an attack!!!!! ugh
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I can't help it - I love this season. This show has more tension in 5 minutes than 10 episodes of Heroes (a mediocre show that I watch regularly because it scratches my Geek itch).
Someone (you listening Herc?) please explain to me how Heroes' mediocre acting, mediocre story telling and cheap special effects (e.g., 2 seconds of Peter and bro flying and watching Mohinder lean against a door during the climactic Sylar/Peter fight, etc) justify calling this a great show? Why can't we just admit that we're in love with the *idea* of a major network airing a show about super heroes while admitting the limp execution could use a lot of work. And Masi Oka (Hiro) has officially taken the title of Most Overrated Star from Entourage's, Adrian Grenier.
OK, this may have come off a tad more harsh than I intend. But when I see the geekasms being spewed over a mediocre show like Heroes (though I admitedly watch every week), I can't help but be somewhat disgusted by our standards. :) -
Season 1-5 sack $49.95 (includes exploding GPS tracker and couger repellent) Season 6 sack in the $5 DVD bin with a copy of Kiefer's "Three Musketeers" thrown in for free. Season 6 script not included because there wasn't one.
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Heroes vs 24? At this point Heroes is clearly the superior product (but let's see if it can last more than another year).
Jumpy scenes and adrenaline rides have taken 24 about as far as it's current framework can give.
If SwissCheeseTU (and the whole 24 concept)isn't scrapped and reformed for next season it'll be no more dramatic than a fat man on a banana peel (cliche and parody). -
talk backs have gone from critism to plain old insult.
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It is truly a marvelous age in which we live.
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They should take the show in a new direction. Why is it that LOS ANGELES is always the terrorists' #1 target? OK, maybe it's still too soon to use New York, but how about Washington? Chicago? Dallas? I think a new locale and new villains would re-invigorate the show. How about Jack vs. the mob next season? You could weave an assassination plot in there somewhere. You don't need terrorists for Jack to kick ass, but a new enemy would test his adaptability. Just some thoughts from a weary fan.
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I remember a month or so ago, I was at a fan website which featured reports on episodes from some guy on the set who gets scripts and leaks them. (Apparently he's legit, b/c I checked some of the older threads about not-yet-aired episodes from months prior and they were accurate.) Anyway, at that point the final shot of the season was already written: A TBD character opens a door and says "get in Jack, we've got a lot to talk about" and Jack is totally shocked...and apparently fans are supposed to be, also. Even though at that point they didn't know who the 'shocker' reveal was, it was someone that longtime fans are close to / familiar with. Hence Herc's guesses/jokes that it'll be SP Tony, Naked Mandy, or David Palmer.
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I've been a huge 24 fan for a long time, right from season 1 on it's original airing. In fact, season 1 was as close to perfection as I think any season 1 of a show could be - it was tightly written, intriguing, original and exciting. The Nina reveal totally blew me away, especially since she'd ALREADY been interrogated for being a mole and then vindicated (very clever), and the whole show was filled with suspense and twists. Season 1 of 24: 10/10!!They were never going to capture that lightening again, but seasons 2, 3 and 5 were all great seasons too (despite a few hiccups). However, plot threads and story lines started to get recycled and push the boundaries of plausibility. CTU really need to tighten up their recruitment process, for example... and what's with all the nuclear bombs?? Season 2, 4 and 6 all have them. In fact, season 4 was utter shit and highlighted some pretty big cracks in the shows structure and writing process. Marwan's highly convoluted contingency plan, for example. I've not watched all of season 6 yet but based on reviews/comments it sounds like, overall, its worse than s4... fuck me! This show could be revamped in many ways. Unlike "Battlestar Galactica" or "Jericho" it isn't tied to a location. Unlike "House" (for example) it's not tied to a specific character (I would have been quite happy if Jack Bauer had taken a desk job and handed the reigns to new blood). It's called "24" - providing it's set in a 24 hour period you can do what you want with it!Season 6 could have been great - no CTU, no LA, no terrorist threat - just Jack escaping from the Chinese... but instead it's just more of the same: nuclear bombs, office bickering, boring relationship stories, blah, blah. The names and faces change but they're the SAME stories. A whole season of just suicide bombings would have been great - anyone around you could be a perpetrator or victim. But no. Nuclear bombs. Yay.I appreciate it must be a hard show to write and produce due to its unique format but if they can't do it any more then, well, maybe they shouldn't...
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all is well...
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He says he's GOTTA EAT!
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They need to get out of LA and they need to never go back to the concrete fortress of CTU. It's really boring and predictable. Someone is a spy in CTU, the head of CTU will be replaced at somepoint in the 24 hour span, two CTU employees will make out in mid-crisis...etc.
I've always thought it would be great to have a prequel season. In either season 1 or 2, it was revealed that President Palmer and Jack knew each other because Palmer had authorized a secret mission when he was in the Senate. Would be really cool to explore that story and it would be a great way to bring back David Palmer without some cheesy back from the dead horseshit.
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worked for Jason Bourne, and he would kick Jack Bauer's ass
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sounds like we're on the same page...
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They should do something totally different next season. Jack runs a detective agency and has a huge crime to solve in 24 hours.
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They should do something totally different next season. Jack runs a detective agency and has a huge crime to solve in 24 hours.
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Didn't they do that already with Iran?
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a nuclear bomb goes off in LA, baeur's evil old man kills baeur's evil brother, and china, russia and the US gear up for a battle royale in central asia. so why is it all so underwhelming? i don't know, but it needs some kind of fresh blood. I read an interview with David Fury saying that he and Manny Coto will be in a position next season to take the show in interesting directions. Given how underwhelming Day 6 has been so far, we can only hope they succeed.
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I have to say, I think one of the problems with 24 is that there are so many unanswered questions. If it were Lost, people would be griping about them until they're answered. With 24, you just accept it and move on.Take season 1, with the questionable, shadowy figures financing Palmer's campaign, Nicole's rape, the involvement of Keith in her attacker's murder - were these even related? - it's a while since I watched it but I don't think these questions were entirely answered. I'm sure there are unanswered questions in each season, which could be tied together in some entertaining way, and which would also allow cameos from ALL previous 24 characters. That would be great!!What 24 really needs, and has been lacking, is a series arc. Each season is self-contained with few references back to previous seasons, or an indication of something great waiting ahead. With so many back stories, characters and relationships to explore, it's a shame the shows reputation has become "same shit, different day". 24 is at it's best when it's a character (rather than event) driven suspense/action drama. 24 s1 struck me as Murder One with action. It's a shame they never continued like that.
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And I'd be very happy to see the supposedly deceased Martina Drazen (Victor's daughter) return from the dead, having not been killed after all and exacting revenge on Bauer for the death of her father and brothers. That would be sweet.(...unless she was going to exact it with nukes, which wouldn't...)
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...or was that The O'Reilly Factor?
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After a whole season of "not this again" last week's episode was an exact replica of the Alexis Drezen scenario without the stabbing (they wouldn't do that cos the stabbing was given to Martha Logan). There have seriously been about six good episodes this seaon. Not good enough. The secondary story (always resevred for the White House) is rubbish now, and I guess this "compromising situation" is just another episode of the blonde girl not being able to get the guy to look at her PDA again for another hour. Last episode actaully showed Tom TWIDDLING HIS THUMBS in one of the climax windows. Seriously. And now we're two episdoes from the end of the season and he's still sitting in a van watching people have sex.
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Is probably the most stupiest thing i've ever heard.
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oh wait, no he doesn't.
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And I wanna see it now.
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1. Jack joins the CIA and goes to Europe or Russia as a covert assassin.
2. Jack joins the military - perhaps the NAVY SEALS or some black ops mission?
I dunno - but this domestic terrorism gig gotta go.
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Jack moves to Hawaii with Higgy baby, TC, Rick, and a Zombified Almeida. Hilarity ensues, Dammit!
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With Sally Field and an all star cast.
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1) Let us give Milo a well-deserved round of applause for taking one for the team (i.e. us) by sacrificing himself so that the turkish delight Nadia might survive for another day, er, hour.
2) Well, now I understand why TPTB sent Bill Buchanan home for no good reason -- they wanted him to survive for another season.
3) That said, how fucking stupid was last week? I mean, seriously. You want your grandson, so you have Cheng send in an armed unit to CTU ... why? Did you honestly think it'd be easier to grab him from CTU than it would to grab him from his house? And why the hell kill Milo? To gain co-operation? Who needs co-operation, you're trying to get a person. What if they had already found him? What if he had already left? You find that out first, then you kill Milo.
4) Of course, that's not as stupid as sending out your Chief of Staff to run recon. Gee, I wonder if they did that to kill off the best character this season? C'mon, 24, shock me and don't kill Tom Lennox.
As for Numb3rs, it's a damn fine show but I do miss Larry, so I hope he's back. In his recent cameo, it would've been hysterical if he said "and this is where I was Chief of Staff to the President of the US" -- those who watch Numb3rs know what I'm talking about. -
"turkish delight Nadia" - good one. p.s. anyone know what they call turkish delight in turkey? do they just call it 'delight'??
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SHOWDOWN
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"As the climactic conclusion... nears, the Administration copes with a compromising situation as Jack Bauer stops at nothing to get what he wants and to protect the country from an international incident that could change the world forever." --- Is it just me, or does that describe every episode of 24 ever made
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He's still in a Chinese prison, dreaming about what we are seeing this season. That explains why we feel we've seen it all before. Final episode ends with him waking up teethless with Cheng's rod in his mouth. "Suck it, Mistah Bawa!"
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...and he wants his "Die Hard" plot back for the next movie!
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By worms. What a crap season. I think there's been more unintentional laughs than thrills. A lot more.
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I need a good chuckle to get my week going.
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Okay, I could go without CTU next season if for no other reason than to skip the annoying computer jargon. Chloe: "Morris I need help backing up my protocol updates"
Morris: "The packages are decrypted from division, you need to reboot your firewall paramters to get them to process"
Nadia: "Chloe, I need you to run point on the field up by analyzing lines of code we recovered 6 months ago in real time with an operation going on in the field right now"
If they could just skip the unnecessary computer jargon and have Chloe's lines be something along the lines of "Okay, I've got the satellite access" the CTU thing would be a lot less annoying. -
when this season ends? Where will Ender post his masterpieces? The day the laughter died...
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I'm even tired of seeing the damn set. Next season should open with yet another mole, but this one a suicide bomber, just completely leveling the joint.
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"Say hello to your brother," which ruled, and would have made the perfect cap. Everything since then has just felt completely tacked on.
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That's the thing Gonzo, the terms they are using are realistic, but they feel tacked on. It feels as though the writers pull out a tech manual, turn to the glossary and close their eyes and point. "Oh, 'networking protocol', how could I fit that into a conflict between Chloe and Morris. It's something that's been sticking out for the past 2 seasons for me. I'd feel the same way if it was taking place in the CTU cafeteria and there was all this dialogue from Chef Chloe to fry-cook Morris "I can't get the bread to proof, the yeast didn't have time to rise before preheating instructions from Division arrived"
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I don't like to think about that. It's like meeting a girl you really like at summer camp. You don't want to think about the summer ending. And yes, I just compared The Ender Smites Foes to a cute girl at summer camp.
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Ok with me, just as long as they don't Galactica 1980 it.
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NBC has cancelled Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip.
But they will be keeping Friday Night Lights.
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But Day 6 is more or less an object lesson in how to do CTU soap opera very badly: (i) phony tension and pointless bickering (c.f. Milo vs Morris, Chloe vs everyone else, etc); (ii) the angst and drama of characters who aren't actually as engaging or as sympathetic as the writers seem to think (c.f. Morris and his drinking problem, Morris and his survivor guilt, etc); (iii) flat characters (Milo and, despite her hotness, Nadia). Most Days have their irritating CTU plotlines (e.g. the babysitter/codependent ex-spouse/schizophrenic sibling or offspring) but they usually manage to get the overall chemistry right. But Day 6 CTU just grates.
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At the end of this season, Tony should be the one showing up in the car(he did get a shitty "ending" with the needle crap) and Jack and Tony should fight the evil terrorists that make the Chicago Cubs lose every year. Tony uses his mug for good, not evil. Tick tock tick tock.........
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you know what i'd love? i'd love to see jack's dad get away this season and go into hiding, with next season being jack going after his dad, who has only resurfaced for 24 hours somewhere.... that could be pretty bad-ass...
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espacially point iii
They haven't had decent CTU support characters since Day 3, with Tony and Michelle.
...and, did anyone else think last week's episode was in trouble when it was almost half over and Jack was still just sitting around in the holding room?
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is right. After an 18-episode nuke arc, a circuitboard "crisis" feels 10,000 times less urgent/intriguing/involving. I liked the old formula for seasons 1-3, that is, start with a good arc for the first half, then pull the focus back and have the first arc actually have been part of a bigger, broader arc (second half)...i.e., Gaines kidnapping the Bauers was actually all part of Drazin's plan, the nuke stuff was actually part of Kingsley's plan, and the virus arc was actually part of Saunders's plan. They abandoned this format in Season 4 (which in my opinion was the weakest season before this one, albeit the Jack bank robbery was badass), and although I liked Season 5, I wish they'd return to the old format. Or "take the series in an interesting new direction" as promised.
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cliffhangers and shocking events equates to good storytelling. A good story doesn't necessarily need to have nukes and rogue states and threats of war and surprise deaths etc. It does need to have strong characters, smart dialog, a solid and believable series of events and a core theme. As others have said/hinted, I wouldn't mind seeing Bauer go solo playing an "intimate" cat and mouse game with an equally strong, charismatic antagonist. I think a reboot of that magnitude is necessary to bring back some faith to the fans.
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Now I will be imagining Ender giggling like a cute summer camp girl while ranting against all haters. Thanks...tee-hee!
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I could watch a whole season of that alone! Throw in Nadia, Lisa Miller, some oil and a stripper pole and you have a story arch that could go on for seasons! This whole thing really does write itself, so I don't see how TPTB are screwing this whole season so royally.
I don't hate CTU, I don't hate nukes going off on American soil, I don't hate international tensions and pending wars, & I don't hate that the leading character is immortal. I do however hate this season.
How could they have possibly screwed up this whole season even with all of the above as great workable topics? I don't know. But a season of hot naked chicks would fix it all for me (unless they somehow screw that perfection up too; maybe by throwing Chloe in to the uglify the mix...) -
i'm sick of watching terrorists break into ctu. is it to much to ask to quit treating us like 9 year olds? who'da thunk that ctu would have an open grate in their basement that anyone could access without a security card. there's 6 more extras/security guards they can knock off.
This has been the worst season yet. we've been reduced to hour long ad-libbing to keep us tuned in.
How about putting Jack on a plane next season? 24 hours in the air. and make it a plane on the way to a stripper's convention complete with an angry ex-husband and a bunch of snakes...wait, that's been done. -
I, for one, would like to see some stuff on Jack while he was in Delta Force. I know they made the comic and they had a lot of reference to it throughout the seasons...but how about some actual dedication?
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Give me twenty four hours, damnit, and I'll do what I can.
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Not sure whether or not you folks have seen this, but go hither:
http://ridingwithricky.blogspot.com/2007/05/returns.html
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(1) OK, I liked the idea of Graham being Jack's evil brother, but making Jack's father evil (and killing his own son) just seems like..........too much........excessive........I would have bought Jack's Dad as corrupt and crooked, but no murderer and (2) 24 will NEVER go any season without the CTU set.......did any of you see the Season 4 DVD extras where they talked about how much serious money they spent building that set?
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LONG LIVE ALMAEDA! Seriously, there's no one else that the audience would want back more than Almaeda. He may be all of 5'7", but he's a fierce 5'7"! Nevertheless, this season is wanky, but it's still 24. 24 is still better than damn near anything on TV. Thanks to Keifer's FORCE OF WILL alone. May the movie deal with the past (The movie happens before season 1), and may Tony and Jack ride again! HIYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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The red-tape and bureaucracy laden CTU scenes have always bored me. Well, except for the rare occasions where it gets blown up or taken over by Chinese agents. Give me a (mostly) solo Jack series any day.
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Advertising here? Don't they know most of these people don't go out??
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It's a sad day when a Lost talkback is double the size of a 24 talkback and it's only Monday. I guess it ends that 24/Lost debate.
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Not like anyone associated with this site in any way shape or form will ever produce anything worthwhile in any media ever.
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2 reasons: one, Herc and Mori are fanning the flames over there. Two, we don't have end-of-season spoilers to discuss ad nauseum. And let's face it, most of the comments are 'I don't want to know the spoilers!' and 'I want to know the spoilers!'
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and not posted around carelessly in every TB
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Is there anything that could be done to save this season? I have a feeling that the final act will be a cheap attempt to keep interest for next year.
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Nadia makes me fee funny down there.
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You know, that whole someone surprising is going to turn up at the end of the finale. As much as I love 24, Lost has been kicking major ass lately.
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Seriously, I posted this before as Mr. Mcpoops, but it's time to Prequel 24. How many of the killed off actors are doing anything right now? Do something involving Walsh, Nina, Tony, Chapelle, Mason, and Jack. They could add a bunch of characters that are disposable and make it kick ass. Instead of doing the same shit next year, do something different. Anything. I'm begging you 24 showrunners.
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How many post-menopausal women read this site?!?
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24 hours of Jack kicking ass to make up or this boring season. No Soap oprea family moment bullshit. No CTU back up. No Cell phones. Drop Jack off in the middle of some hell on earth scenario and just let him shoot and torture his way out.
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"Only one ... Milo Pressman" -- Because who cares about the security guards that were killed, right Nadia? You're so cold-hearted for a turkish delight
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Anyone else just catch them use the exact same scene of the newphew being directed around a tunnel turn by Chinese bad guys?
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Tenacious D applaud...
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Not to mention, they showed Jack, Nadia and Morris all wrasslin' with the bad guys, and the only resolved Jack and Nadia. For all we know, Morris is dead. That's probably just me wishful thinking, but there it is...
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Jack is a killing machine and free porn on the White House surveillance operation!
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Although one wonders why they didn't just barge in there and make the offer to Bishop in the first place
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Whoever it is should emblazon their logo on, say, giant monitors in various scenes during the show. Though that might seem crass.
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Just kidding, that was a fairly good episode. Kinda sorta...
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rules...
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Vice President (incredulously): "We're about to go to war over a piece of circuitry??" That right there tells me the writers realize how absurd this latest mini-arc is. All in all though, good episode. I enjoy seeing Jack snapping people's necks.
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I thought it was funny that Nadia didn't even bother to check for security guard casualties.
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Also, I want to sleep with Nadia.
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It can't miss. Look how great the Star Wars prequels were.
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Just wondering. ;)
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lol.
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May 14, 2007 9:44:44 PM CDT
Speculation: the undead person showing at the end is...
by jacknchuckslovechild
David Palmer! This episode we heard Giant Bauer (teh daddey) say that China would be way more powerful than the US very soon, imply that he's in business with the Chinese government...etc. Also, his armwrestling with Cheng over the phone made him sound like he's untouchable, either he's got balls as big as his son's, or either he has unreal backup. And remember he's the one who planned Palmer's and Tony's assasination... Palmer could have been behind it all, fearing he would stand no chance against China, and chose to get on their side. You read it here first.
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I know it sounds odd that Cheng and Daddy Bauer are against one another... The only way I see it working, Cheng would have to be some kind of a rogue operative, or one that's kept in the dark by his government, not knowing that Daddy is connected to his folks.
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of 24 being boring is about. Because to me there could be nothing more boring that Heroes. I can only stand so many shitty CG shots of people's hands glowing orange before I turn off the TV all together.
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hilarious. Also hilarious was watching Morris and Nadia choke bitches.
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I find it hilarious that Tom Lennox and his crew were sitting in their van watching Lisa Miller (you little love-killer...) screwing the bad guy for, like, 40 MINUTES.
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"Jack, toss me that piece of celery!"
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compare Keifer's hairline from 2001 to now. No way that will work.
I still like the show. I would still rather watch 24 over 85% of what is on the networks, but this season more than any other revealed the "make it up as we go along" writing style. Next season needs to be meticulously planned. The format works. Have more faith in Keifer kicking ass and less faith in who gives a shit romances, VP's with agendas and wannabe shady politics. -
Because word got back to Bishop we mocked him for only going 12 last time. That's why he was so eager when she came back.
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As opposed to 6-minutes-and-done Charles Logan. He must've used the Enzyte Smiling Bob enhancement pill :D
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Emmy nomination for best drama and 24 doesn't. I'ma calling it here and now.
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The problem is that the 24 formula has gotten stale. Outside of the first four hours, Papa Bauer stone-cold killing his son, and "Damn Jack", the show has been extremely cliched and seems to think the best way to rachet up the tension is to kill someone nonsensically. It's like they're so paralyzed by their previous success they're afraid to mess with the ol' tried and true.
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i love the show. Look foward to it every week like i used to with 24, but i don't think heroes can keep up the pace and the surprises beyond another season, two at best.
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May 14, 2007 11:23:06 PM CDT
I've been calling the Heroes downslide since it started
by white goodman
Heroes is the next Lost. It is loved it's first season and when the writers shoot their load at the end of the first season/beginning of the second season it will be shit on. Heroes will not make it to season 4.
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It was about damn time that Jack killed some people. I was thinking that this season had the lowest kill total until this epsiode.
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He's the only person that has been killed off that could be brought back. Sec. Hellar was the only other possible person. Every other death has been pretty final. No way Palmer survived a bullet to the throat. If he did fake his death, what a dick. His brother thought he got shot in the neck and still thinks he's dead.
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but sorry.. the first 20 minutes of tonight's ep were among the most exciting, well-executed stuff this tv season has seen...
They'll figure it out.. the producers are smart folks.. next season I expect nothing short of total excellence...
Greg
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Lost can't say "Oh well, that didn't work, let's do something different with a different cast and storyline" -- the writers are stuck on the island with the characters. Heroes, by deliberately choosing to compartmentalize storylines, isn't so limited. Every season or half-season they can start from scratch. Granted, doing a complete character reset may not be a good idea (you want some continuity, I would think) but at least its a viable option.
Even 24 (the subject of this TB) is similarly limited by Jack Bauer and CTU. While you would think they are not as limited as Lost, TPTB seem to act like they are, only CTU/LA+White House Shenanigans is the Island. A mental island, you might say. -
Is the plot somewhat recycled? Yes, but I say SO WHAT? A recycled 24 is better than any ep of Heroes with its mediocre writing, mediocre acting, and cheap special effects. I ALWAYS catch Heroes (scratches geek itch), but this is a mediocre show way overhyped due to the subject and circumstances (major network airing show about super heroes).
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Since it's a recycled post you made in a different thread
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I'm trying to get the word out in the Land of Talkback and at least get a dialogue going. Seriously, I'm honestly curious - do people *really* think this is a well-acted show with great special effects? I don't think so. I think people are in love with the subject matter and they love the idea of a Big Three network carrying a show about Super Heroes.
I maintain the the acting and writing is merely OK, but acceptible. The special effects are terrible, which is unacceptable for a show of this type. Obviously this is my opinion and I'm in the *extreme* minority. However, I want to hear an honest defense of these aspects instead of hearing brainless geek splooging over a prime time sci-fi on a Big Three. -
May 15, 2007 12:13:58 AM CDT
White Goodman: I maintain Heroes was NEVER that good...
by happyhamster
Heroes, at best, is as good as the worst season of Lost, acting and writing wise. It *only* edges out the worst season of Lost due to cheap special effects that keep hopeless fanboys like myself watching. ;)
Heroes doesn't deserved to be mentioned in the same breath as the first 1.5 seasons (or past half season) of Lost IMO.
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Lost is way better than Heroes. But that's my opinion and some people think the other way. They're idiots. Either way, a year or two from now, everyone will talk about how shitty Heroes is and how great some new show is.
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Does not go to Cisco. Does the President really see a huge Cisco ad before an emergency call to the Russian President. The only way they could have been less subtle would be to have him tell the Russian prez "excuse me while I take a sip of refreshing, ice cold Coca Cola--now back to business". I know they are trying to make up for ads being fast forwarded with Tivo, but between this and the Lexapro placement on The Sopranos, it's getting kind of ridiculous.
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Was the South Park one, easily.
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if tony is reanimated ( lets face it jack has been dead a couple of times, it's not unfeasable that tony could) jack and tony have to roll toogether in the field. They're the best men for the job, not luke skywalker, not chase, but tony. you know that was a badass scene in series 4 when jack was pinned down with no bullets and tony came in and finished off business. it has to be done!
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1) Is it back to "Ricky" Schroeder now? I thought the grown up actor dropped the "y" and was quite adamant about it?2)Cromwell looks like hell. That can't be by choice, can it?They reached really far back -- to season 1 -- to rehash a White House aid being a conduit, then a victim of a mole. Remember the chick/Drazen bro/hotel room?Two more hours and our national nightmare is over.
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Just meh. Bring on the season finale already and lets wrap this sucker up. The sooner we put this season behind us, the better.Next season: Jack, Tony, and a reinvigorated Aaron Pierce: side by side, kicking ass and taking names! On the trail of Logan who escaped from the hospital with the help of naked Mandy....and no more Russians, Chinese, or random Middle Eastern countries. The country that will be discovered to be behind helping Logan escape will be... Mexico! Jack, Tony, and Aaron take on the entire Mexican Army, Mexican Navy, Mexican Air Force, and in the final episode... the Mexican Marines! Get to it, writers.
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..will be set during the gaps in season 6 when Jack went missing(ie-about 90% of the series)....
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the finale of The King of Queens instead. I figured I'd pick this up online at some point during the week.
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I have long thought that the final season should be a brainwashed Jack turning against the USA, ending with him detonating a nuke in the white house. The whole season people keep making excuses for him.
The other idea is ditch CTU. Jack, Chloe, and a reanimated Curtis save the day after CTU is destroyed. THey could work out of a double wide. -
...has to be wondering what the hell went wrong this season. My wife used to get stomach cramps from the angst she'd feel when watching this show. Now - notsomuch. I have no problems with crazy things happening in the relative scope of the plot (I never had issues with Marwan), but had huge issues with season #2's "Wheel of Peril" they used for Kim. (I'll never forgive that damn cougar. Ugh.) This year is missing more than just a little something. I also think that I'm the only guy on Earth that felt the series was better this season episodes 5 to ~10 than the first 4, which to me were nothing more than cardboard cutout characters repeating simplistic political positions. Ah, well, all will be better when DRAZEN's reeeeeeealy evil twin brother shows up last episode.
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Classic episode of 24. I agree with whoever said they didn't show the outcome of Morris' tussel but considering he wasn't killed in the altercation I can live with it. Though I WISH he had been. He just had a 1" thick drill bored into his shoulder 12 hours ago but he can take down a Chinese special forces commando with hardly any problems. Nice. What do they have to do to kill that guy? Still I love this show and so does anyone else with testicles.
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...Have someone from "division" or Homeland Security come in, after a major crisis, and act all professional & shit.
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I would like to see Jack and his son Ralph move to New Orleans with Seymour 'Skinny Boy' Skinner as Jack's sidekick.
The Palmer family, including the mummified corpse of David Palmer make a guest appearance while celebrating Mardi Gras. -
. . . I call bullcrap. The first four episodes, the ones just about everybody liked, were the ones dealing with terrorism.
The episode everybody thought would have been a good finale, the one where Jack beat the crap out of the bad guy, dealt with terrorism.
Now we're dealing with some chip? And angst over Audrey? Or is it that kid?
24 sucks when you don't care about what's happening or where the story's going or any of the people. 24 rocks when you really love everybody and are afraid something terrible could happen at ANY MOMENT.
24 sucks when they pitch the real time concept and just make another action show. 24 rocks when they use the real time concept as a tool to make what's happening feel more real and visceral.
24 sucks when everybody you care about is dead. 24 rocks when they give you good people to care about and then put them in situations where they have to make terrible decisions.
24 sucks when everybody says what they mean in a boring way. 24 rocks when nobody is really saying what they mean, you're never quite sure who to trust, and people aren't given scenes with each other until they have a reason to be at odds.
What they're chasing or fighting isn't as important as all of that stuff. I remember caring deeply when they were chasing a thumb drive with a little bit of info on it a couple of seasons ago. Right now a chip could start a war, and I'm just not caring.
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So what am I doing wrong to not get line breaks?
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By "Those saying 24 has too much terrorism," I mean "Those saying that it's boring to have Jack fighting terrorist season after season."
I'm NOT saying, "Those who just think terrorism in general is a bad idea for a TV show."
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I'm still waiting to find out what wayne palmer traded the chinese for the return of Jack. Maybe it will be revealed in the finale.
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I think the price to free Jack was that the Chinese demanded Wayne Palmer be made president, guaranteeing the US would be incapbable of dealing with any crisis.Oh, and I figured out the line break thing.
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To follow suit with past episodes a Bauer must die. Either "That'll do Jack" Papa, kid who looks like someone just farted in the room ( can he have any other expression but squinty whine? ), or "worst actress in the world" Mom will perish. Lets just hope Jack doesn't sit in his car and cry.
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without the spaces
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I appreciate it!
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I'll be doing shots of Patron from my Cubs mug, and chestbumping the fat kid that lives down the street from me.
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reading Better Homes and Gardens, making a Strawberry Flopcake , and hosting a Southern Living party........thats when I fell out of love with 24.
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Josh is Phillip's Grandson & his Son. Would that be the "Legacy" they constantly drop hints at? Boy, is this season the most predictable and sloppy. Worst Season Of 24 EVER!!!! How much more obvious could they get with Marilyn's overreactive "What did he tell you, Josh!!!??"
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I'm a big fan of 24, but this is insulting... The plot is borderline retarded, or maybe it's just me watching the show and not being stoned.
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May 15, 2007 5:31:56 PM CDT
I think the writers have realised how much this sucks.
by i hope you die
They're just plodding along to the finish now. The only people I want to see survive this season are Jack and Nadia. Everybody else needs to die a horrible death. I don't want to see a single member of the Bauer family except Jack ever again. If someone's coming back from the dead I want it to be Nina. The show really needs likable bad guys. Not sure how that would work though. Otherwise Tony will do.
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ya think they should just shut CTU down and do everything from "Division"? those cunts seem to know everything! they set all the protocols.. they take 9 hours to "send someone over from division"
CTU has been taken out twice in the last couple of years - junkie with a swipe card and the old - come up through the sewer trick.
they should be shut down.
apart from that i still love the show. i thought Jacks neck break was delightful. -
armed Chinese mercenary with his bare hands... No way will they ever become a superpower if their top killers are taken out by a chubby bald English computer nerd with drinking problems...
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a half-day earlier ;)
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About 2 months ago I said that Papa Bauer was the boys father. OK continue.
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just get to the end of this season so this day can be over, and hopefully season 7 will be better. I hope this "Dynamic" shift is gunna work as season 6 is fucking terrible
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Morris is a superman... They obviously shot an outcome to his struggle and then cut it for time, I hate when they do that, as we saw him later milling around in the background like nothing had happened... They should have shown him snapping the Chinese guy's neck and then spitting on his corpse. Chloe sees this and is sooo aroused, she drags him into the bathrooms and they go into a stall, then you see Chloe drop to her knees... Later Morris struts around, slaps Nadia on the ass and kicks the division guy in the nuts, and takes over CTU and orders in cocktails for everyone... Everyone gets hammered and nobody bothers with the whole crappy storyline... At the end, Tony wanders in with his Cubs mug, fills it up with booze and says, "You'll never fucking guess what happened to me", and we fade out... There you go, rest of season sorted...
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Except maybe the "slaps Nadia on the ass" should be "fucks Nadia in the ass". BTW, you may release Hume from your basement now.
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and I only had him slap Nadia on the ass, as when she gets drunk she makes out with Bauer's sister-in-law...
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Regardless of how bad this season is, having some fucknut tell me the ending would really be annoying!
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Yeah, I'm not incredibly happy with this season. Mankind's earlier assessment was pretty accurate I believe. And I'm still pissed that they killed off Tony. He fucking rocked (and he was a Cubs fan). They need to bring him back somehow. All this CTU drama is getting old and boring, and I don't give a fuck anymore. I remember when I couldn't fucking wait for the next episode...now it's to the point where I fucking forgot about it until my friend asked if I saw it. Then I remembered I have it TIVOed. They need to figure something out good for next season. Also, the whole "write as you go" formula blows...last season was when I first caught on to it, and this season it became painfully obvious. And yes, they need to re-establish the feeling of real time, 'cause they've sort of forgotten that that's a major part of what made this show so interesting in the first place. Not to mention Jack Bauer's ultimate badassedness and willingness to do whatever the fuck it takes. Oh, and one more thing...I didn't mind Milo, and actually didn't like to see him die (although I was kinda sick of his and Nina's boohoo side story, but that's the writers' fault), but the cool thing about his death was that he just fucking got killed hardcore style. Like, they also need to re-establish the fact that no one is safe (except for Jack, of course). Although, yeah, I'm still pissed about Tony...but what pisses me off the most is that they had him there, he got shot, came out of his coma only to get stabbed a little bit later. They could've at least had him go around kicking some ass then go down in a hail of gunfire while he takes down a platoon of evil fucks which saves Jack....no, instead he dies like a bitch. Fucking lame.
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oh, sorry, saw the 'we're going to war' headline and thought this was the "Lost" talkback.
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looks like theres gonna be 2 more series of Jack Bauer!
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F*&% YEAH!
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L O S T TALK-BACK NOW!
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2 MORE seasons of 24 at least!!! Fuck all the haters and lost and hereos tools,long live MORE BAUER!!!!
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What we're watching now is sad, really.
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will take place in a new location, with possibly two locations involved next season...and a new cast. So perhaps no more CTU soap opera.
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...that was one of the better episodes of the season. Obviously the whole "chip is going to start a war" thing is absurdly retarded. Especially given the Russian involvement in nuking California. Attacking the US would be complete suicide since even Europe would back us in that one. But I was liking the action. I guess I was just in the right mood for the show.
The Morris thing REALLY bugged me. I was waiting for Chloe to say, where's Morris, and then we'd find out he was dead or kidnapped again or something. If they had to cut a scene, they should have cut his struggle with the guard, not the freakin' resolution. It was just bizarre to see editing that sloppy on TV these days.
I'm really hoping that taking Josh away from Jack will be his final breaking point. I am so tired of him getting all business-as-usual within 15 minutes each and every time he gets fucked. To me, that's where the staleness of this show lies. Characters never grow (up or down, I don't care). And since Jack is the only character who lasts long enough to grow, his stunted nature sticks out like a sore thumb. They seriously need to reboot Jack. -
Hellraiser-24 crossover.....ahh, if only.
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Why's everyone saying Morris taking down a guy is ridiculous? He's a nerd, sure, but he was also the only living CTU employee over 5'8". Meanwhile Jack entrusts 5-foot-nothing 90-lbs-when-wet office girl Nadia to take out one of the men as part of his plan. WTF?
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...Is Bauer to join the secret service and team up with Eva Longoria and Micheal Douglas and...oh wait that was a movie.
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No mention of any "big twists" (and the promos love announcing those, remember the preview for the Air Force One downing episode? "...and the biggest twisty twist thing ever in the history of twists, you will literally not believe your own mind when it twists into your face. Next week!") so I'm still wondering if the dead character returning is another Vito-rapes-Finn rumour that's gained enough momentum to be considered fact. I hope it's true, bringing back Tony would get me unbelievably excited for Season 7, anything else just leaves me lukewarm. Still, my original point was going to be... is that Bill talking with Jack in the promo? If so well done writers for not completely stripping the show of decent characters! I hope he's as casually dresses as last season when Chloe turned up at his house. More intrigue (well, as much as you can get for Season 6) - Cheng following Jack with a gun, poised for action? Chloe looking very, very worse for wear? Don't you kill her off, she hasn't done enough this season for it to be her swansong!
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http://tinyurl.com/2yutuw
Nice to see someone else remembers Sylar being a former CTU desk jockey.
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