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Final Four!! SOPRANOS 6.18!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
Previously. On “The Sopranos.”
* Tony has cooled toward Bobby, Christophuh and Paulie, three of his four closest associates.
* Tony’s gambling debts continue to mount.
* The New York mob is in an accelerating cycle of flux and turmoil.
* Tony’s boy got dumped.
* Gay Vito’s boy took a dump.
* Uncle Junior peed himself.
* Hesh’s girl didn’t wake up.
* Christophuh put a cap in his movie’s screenwriter.
HBO says of tonight’s installment, “Kennedy and Heidi”:
An asbestos-disposal impasse raises tensions between Jersey and New York; Tony (James Gandolfini) has a revelation; Paulie gets upstaged. Written by Matthew Weiner and David Chase; directed by Alan Taylor.
After tonight, three episodes left.
6.19 - MAY 20 - "The Second Coming" - Phil (Frank Vincent) turns down Tony's offer of compromise; AJ despairs about the world and his future; Tony takes umbrage over an affront to Meadow (Jamie-Lynn Sigler). Written by Terence Winter; directed by Tim Van Patten.
6.20 – JUNE 4 - “The Blue Comet” - The allegiance of those closest to Tony (James Gandolfini) is put to the test; a case of mistaken identity has serious ramifications. Written by David Chase and Matthew Weiner; directed by Alan Taylor.
6.21 – JUNE 11 – “Made in America” - The final chapter in the saga of The Soprano Family. Written and directed by David Chase.
9 p.m. Sunday. HBO.
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Loke the last ep of OZ.
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Bring on The Wire!
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Sure it's had it's ups and it's down but I and many others just could not stop watching. Having always been a fan of movies that dealt with the mob The Sopranos was the perfect soap opera for men. I've seen every episode and like Six Feet Under, once the series is done I will feel a sense of loss since I've got an attachment to the characters of the show. Great writing most of the time and truly a classic in every right.
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The only way this show ends with a bang, is if Tony gets whacked. They will never do it, but that's how it SHOULD end.
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Granted, I don't watch the show religiously, but from what I have watched, I can only imagine the end of the series being Tony either put in jail, or being killed.
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but on his radio show, he had an idea for the final episode that was quite brilliant. Tony helps the FBI avery a major terrorist attack(all the more plausible given last weeks events in New Jersey), and becomes a major American hero. Meanwhile, because of the shoddy materials, Carmela's spec house will collapse and kill the family, and she will go to jail. The last shot will be Tony visiting Carmela through the glass, and then walking outside to a cheering throng. Cue something like The Strokes' Barely Legal, and it'd be golden.
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ignoring that horrendous idea...I remember thinking after last week's episode that they're really running out of time. paulie gets upstaged? again? man, I reall wonder what they're gonna have to pack into the last three.
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Tony dying wouldn't be a good ending to Sopranos. Don't forget that the entire show has revolved around his family for the most part. It would be far more fitting that he loses his family then he himself lose his life.
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How about some spoilers, Herc?
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You're probably among those birlliant whiners who bitch every week that "something better happen" on this show. More happens in one hour of Soprano's than happens on an entire SEASON of just about anything else, you just need to have a little pateince and appreciation of the 10 YEARS of continuity. EVERY EPISODE is rooted deeply and is so layered and beyond most of this "Damn You Michael Bay!" crowd.
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can suck my balls. Sure, not every episode is going to be the greatest, but over 6 seasons, the show has been steadily brilliant in every way. I'd take the worst Soprano's episode ever any day over an hour of some pointless, shitty fluff like Grey's Anatomy.
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No one listens to that pussy coward. He got scared of them thar terrorists and bought into the "Only the Republicans can defeat them" lines the GOP was serving up. He makes me sick.
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Tony confesses that he whacked Laura Palmer.
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Come on...you would think you would have something else than the GOP's talking points. I would have had more respect if didn't just spout the same cliches from the past 5 years. I mean, seriously, don't you have something more than the "defeat-o-crats" lines?
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was great. the one before it blew, so who knows how this will finish up. david chase loves to make boring episodes even more boring if you complain. so let's not say anything until it's all over. ;)
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The Republicans - the ones who lied to us to get us into a war with the wrong country, the ones who let an entire city face its worst natural disaster with little to no support, the ones on whose watch we are paying 3.50 a gallon for gas while oil companies make record profits, the ones led by a complete idiot sitting in the white house. Yeah - fuckin a. They rock. DOH!
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there's not much time left..
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like with the civil rights movement? or women's right to vote?and I love that with our current president at a 30% approval rating, iraq is a mess, you have the balls to say that the Republicans are currently sitting on the right side of history.history will judge Bush as one of the worst presidents ever, if not the worst. that's history, brother.
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I agree that politics for the masses has been correct on everything from worker protection to child labor laws. But there are no more "left" or "right".
Factually there are pro-corporations/big business/big media/big pharmaca. And pro-people protection.
But the scary part is that while the nation continually polls liberal politicians continually go conservative and pro-big business.
Go read David Sirota's blog about the recent back stabbing Democrats gave to labor.
As for the end, I though Tony would wind up controlling BOTH families. he has been falling upward since the first show.
I also assume AJ will lead the family with the brother in law becoming a future Paulie.
Why for gods sake isn't Meadow a lesbian? That would have added so much more tension than her weak assed character got over the years.
To end on a political note aboput Communism. During the depression it was the Communists and capone that fed the poor and starving on the streets of Chicago. It was the Panthers that fed people along with leading a political movement. Any political group that does NOT serves the basic needs of the base, like feeding them, is worthless.
And studies have shown that "Conservatives" donate more to charities that " Liberals". Mainly because the Conservatives see social aid as private work and not government doctrine as Liberals do.
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A proud history of segregation...including some of the current elder members.
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Sil kicking ass, Paulie blowing a cog, Tony with his new gun he got from Bobby in the season premire. Chris saving T's life, and plenty of boobies.
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Any truth to that?? Anyone???
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Because June 4th and 11th are Mondays.
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those studies (both of them) reached the conclusion that conservatives donate more, because they included church donations. not just church-run organizations that help the less fortunate, they included actual money given in the collection basket in church. not a stretch to point out that more conservative families go to church regularly than liberal ones. not saying it's a terrible thing to give money to your church at all. but forking over $20 a week in the collection basket so that the stain glass windows can be cleaned is a little different than sending a check to aid workers in Darfur.
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Pauly and Christophur are going to have a smiliar argument on politics as the one going on in here.
Pauly: Are yooz retarded? Reganomics is what defeated communism!
Christophur: Quit comparring my libural beliefs with Jospeh Stalin! You don't see my pulling the Hitler card when it comes to your stance on The Patriot Act.
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...politics aside...does any one know anything about the car accident rumor? Or was it re shot?
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May 13, 2007 6:43:39 PM CDT
THE OFFICIAL CHICKEN GEORGE VII "HOW IT SHOULD END"!!!!
by chickengeorgevii
BAH - I say - BAH! TO ALL YOU NAYSAYERS THAT THINK ONLY DEATH AND DESTRUCTION IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO!!! FOOLS!!! ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS!...Th besy possible ending is the FBI finally closing in on the whole gang...Christopher turned rat...and the doors of the Bing and Satriali's getting kcked in to find all the files and office stuff torched....and then the doors of Silvio's home and Paulie's home...Silvio's gone...but they nab Paulie as he is trying to start the car, breaking down crying as he is stuffed in the car...and finally the Soprano house front door is kicked in by the long time FBI agent Dwight Harris chasing Tony..CUT TOGETHER AGAINST: Artie Bucco walking in Dr. Melfi's office to tell her "Tony's gone."..and the house is COMPLETELY EMPTY...hollow...an echo chamber...and the FBI is befuddled and amazed they got everything out so fast....and as the FBI agent Dwight Harris wanders out the back door to the patio and looks over the pool....THE DUCKS finally come back to Tony's pool...land...and make home there once again at the now empty Soprano home....And thus, quack! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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... beautiful, George. Let's pray that David Chase has the balls to completely cop out on all the people who are expecting a bloodbath... or that he has the balls to kill EV-RE-BODY!
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Christopher is dead.
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Good to see ya, man. When are we gonna head down Guadalupe (not Chandler) and find some senoritas?
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** SPOILERS **Won't Tony's fingerprints be on Christophuh's schnozz?
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Tony finished off Christopher, fuck that man! That was family, at least Paulie "walnuts" showed some regret.
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liberals using fear to make you vote for them? lol...come on brother, how can you type that with a straight face. W is all fear all the time.and I already listed two instances were liberals were on the right side of history (civil rights movement, women's rights movement)...but it looks like you chose to ignore them. considering how much you disregard logic and facts, I'm not surprised, though...if you do respond to this, I honestly can't WAIT for you to try to somehow explain that the liberal movement supported euqal rights less than the conservatives...it will be grand, and I can't wait...have at it, brother." take that, logic and facts!"
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Breaks my heart to see Chrissy go out like that. But it was vintage Tony, no?
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It was oddly touching. And AJ's "Can't we all just get along?" line was hysterical.
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Wow, they really kept that one secret. Looking back at the description of this episode and how everything turned out, and then seeing the descriptions for the last 3 eps, anything could happen. An affront to Meadow could be anything from someone whistling at her from across the street to her getting raped and killed and left in a dumpster.
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i could watch an hour's worth of Tony tripping out and be a very, very happy man.
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Did anyone else notice that the sunset = the lighthouse from Tony's coma?
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is a fucking "gamechanger."
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This is both the saddest and funniest show ever. Does anyone else see this?? In any case, great show.
Did anyone else see the promos for the new HBO shows? Not to be pessimistic, but wow what a bunch of shit that looks like. -
Finally, finally! I figured they would have to pull something in the final 4, and boy they did. I am now genuinely excited about the last few episodes, after being worried for quite awhile now. Tony is off the deep end and now we have some concrete story lines to follow this show to the end. Oh, and AJ was actually funny and worthwhile this episode! I loved the Peyote scenes and I wish we were given more of them, but maybe that will wait for the next episode?
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This is both the saddest and funniest show ever. Does anyone else see this?? In any case, great show.
Did anyone else see the promos for the new HBO shows? Not to be pessimistic, but wow what a bunch of shit that looks like. -
This is both the saddest and funniest show ever. Does anyone else see this?? In any case, great show.
Did anyone else see the promos for the new HBO shows? Not to be pessimistic, but wow what a bunch of shit that looks like. -
the final scene of the show, the very final scene - will be Tony, Carmella, AJ and Meadow sitting around the pizza parlor in Jersey nice a like, big happy family.
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Spoilers
Very similar to the one tony and adriana were in in season 5. David chase is amazing at putting in those little details that so brilliantly complete a story. The only thing I didn't like about the episode is how chris' death was just a sub plot for tony's character development, but I guess it is his story.
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Perfect lyric to describe what was going through Tony's head about Christopher before they even crashed. Re-watch and see the anger in his face when Christopher tells him he is doped-up and then focuses on the mangled child seat...he had no choice, he had to finally put that sick dog down! That's a "revelation" for you. Great scene!
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And all that that entails.
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After watching this episode I think there will be a confrontation between AJ and Tony. Tony has often felt similarly about Christopher and AJ. AJ is obviously not cut out for the mob business, he appears to have a conscience unlike his father. Since there will be an 'affront' towards meadow my guess is Tony and AJ will have very different ideas about how to solve it. Either way AJ will be the lightning rod for how Tony affects his blood family. Weve already gotten the Carmella and Meadow aspect, so now its AJ's turn.
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I thought the "Can't we all get along" line was forced and silly. Is AJ the most normal looking kid with down syndrome or what? At least this "on location" segment was a lot more interesting than Carmella's Paris bullshit. An excuse to drum up production costs and create an even bigger reason to have the seasons cut in half. Why is it that Chase can repeat a car crash scene and he is paying attention to detail, but "24", which sucks this season, is criticized for rehashing similar plot developments? for instance, we have already done clever dream sequences for the last two seasons, let have Tony get shot and have a coma sequence. The audience will never realize we switched their regular coffee with Folger's Crystals. This show has gotton too self-important and has been crushed by it. People try to find all of this symbolism and depth to excuse the fact that the story just fuckin' meanders. Carnivale got shit on for doing that.
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about. The line you speak of was uttered by Tony talking to his Dr. in the third season. After his horse died. This show is the finest drama ever produced!
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nicegoogly--I found that line to be perfect. Of course it's cliche...but you know what? I've said that to myself many times when I've been depressed like AJ. And it is an intimate moment with a psychiatrist...so it works.
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depressed? I sure was. After the devastating death of Christopher, a character I was sad to see go...well, it was just all so depressing. Especially with Tony coming to terms with it so easily and feeling like his luck has changed and him proclaiming "I GET IT!". This is a tough show sometimes.
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I had heard spoilers for much of this last bunch of episodes just before this season started that for the most part have been pretty accurate on so I was kind of resigned to Christopher's death. However, I had heard it happening on the second to last episode so seeing it right at the beginning of tonight's episode was a bit of a surprise. It was almost as tonight's first half hour was swapped with one of the next couple of episode's other half hours as tonight seemed to be two entirely different episodes. This all means it's more likely than ever that it's pretty much likely xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, and xx xxx will be wormfood by the end of the series.
As for tonight's episode, it was hit and miss for me. I think the whole "Tony finds himself" bs in Las Vegas could have been handled much better in hundreds of other ways. Not that I'm slamming the whole drug angle (while watching I was thinking of that old Simpson's Johnny Cash ep), but the way it was set up and executed didn't do it for me. The death of Christopher and the aftermath up through the wake(s) *did* pack a pretty good punch though.
BTW, my ideal choice for song playing over the for the last show's credits crawl would be Van Halen's tune "Mean Street" over an extra long roll call of everyone involved in the series for the end credits. Other choices would be "Gimme Danger" by Iggy and the Stooges, "Gone" by U2, "The Promise" by Springsteen, "Severance" by Bauhaus, "You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory" by Johnny Thunders or "Winners and Losers" by Social Distortion. -
I thought it was great how Sopranos and Entourage both ended exactly the same (i.e. arms thrust up in triumph over the desert southwest) but with completely different tones
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The show is truly going downhill, or I was just on drugs to like it before.
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...Sarah Shahi has to be the most perfect woman ever created.
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Am I the only one who always thought that show was a shallow piece of shit? Sopranos focuses on a bunch of murderers, yet they still seem less superficial and more sympathetic than the cartoon people of Entourage. Even Eric, who is supposed to be the "everyman" of the show is an unrelateable mannequin.
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Tony is such a bastard. He needs to die. He contantly lies. I love how he talks about his cousin's death, and ADriana's and Chris's deaths, who he all killed. He has done too many bad things, there is no salvation for him at this point. Jail or death, and at this point the way to end it would be death.
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I know someone got killed in it, so all the morons think it is great, solely based on that criteria. But it was very forced and contrived and more out of character stuff for Tony. This is turning into a sad end to a great show...but if this is the best they can do, good they are giving it up.
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well said...maybe Tony will die in a car crash in the last episode...they clearly can't come up with anything new. Chase seems to have thrown in the towel because he's got to better than this.
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The writers of the show are laughing at you because they have blatantly and clumsily manipulated you into feeling everything that they want. I guess ignorance is bliss.
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Sounds like it's past a couple of people's bedtimes, ya cranky bastards.
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I thought that episode was BOORRRINGGGG! As I have said, the show is well-acted, the cast is top notch, the humorous one liners are always funny, but Chase ran out of story around mid Season 4 when he had Carmela & Furio start falling in love, and the show has been going through the motions since then. I think episodes are tedious and is not tightly edited the way it was in Seasons 1-3. The only reason I say the show has gone downhill cause for Seasons 1-3, and the first part of Season 4, I would watch the reruns every night of the week on HBO, as I couldn't get enough of it. I would probably watch the same episode 4-5 times a week! Now I watch it once, and that is it, and I guess I am just watching it now for the ending, cause I have come this far.
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Rewatch the end. Look at the sunset and how it does a brief flash. It looks like the lighthouse from his dream. Tony "gets it", because the symbolism in the dream now makes sense to him. My guess: Tony went to Vegas because he wanted to escape all the death and misery of his existence. He went to Vegas, let go of all his inhibitions and worries, and was able to just enjoy himself. The lighthouse, to him, symbolizes a way out...an exit from the shit. Don't be surprised if Tony decides all the stuff he is dealing with just isn't worth it anymore and tries to leave the business/escape for good within the last 3 episodes.
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Not the part when he was dreaming, the real time that Tony was in her office, he says, "I was *PROSTATE* with grief!" I thought I was going to shit myself laughing.
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The scene with Paulie complaining to Tony about the lack of mourners at his Mother's/Aunt's wake was more clever, better written, and better acted than every episode of Entourage ever made.
Between Paulie complaining about how many mass cards he made up and "Miss 3 to 5, 7 to 9, who never misses a wake" walking past them in the background to make her appearance. I almost fell on the floor. Brilliant! -
the hilarity is overwhelming
the same people that wouldnt lock up their families killer are speaking about how a war should be run
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shrug. if they are the same quality as this whole season has been, we'll forget about them quickly. 6 episodes pretty much wasted on nothing. a car accident didnt make up for that.
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I was pissed that they killed off Christophuh, because I was so sure I knew the ending: Tony, Chris, Paulie, Silvio and Bobby are sitting in the backroom at the Bing. The door opens and a shadow figure unleashes a hail of gunfire, killing all in a bloody mess. The figure then steps into the light to reveal LAUREN BACALL. She smiles and says, "Don't fuck with me, fellas." The end.
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that right before the accident Christopher put in the cd soundtrack from a movie called THE DEPARTED.
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Christopher's death, as horrible as it was (ecch, those wheezing sounds), was the first time I can remember Tony killed someone for a reason besides protecting himself. When he saw the tree branch go through the babyseat, he realized "This kid's gotta go." That's character growth, people! And yes, fomer Dallas Cowboy cheerleader Sarah Shahi has one of the most perfect asses on television right now. If you missed her on "The L Word," whew, Ma'don'!
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I am thinking that in the next few episodes Tony is going to get increasingly frustrated with phil. This will led to Tony ording a hit on Phil. I think that in the end of the show, Tony will end up the boss of N.J. and all of N.Y.
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When Tony was in the coma the flashing light was death.
Last night he saw the devil in the casino and then the flashing light in the desert.
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That was by far the most engaging and fulfilling episode of The Sopranos in all of Season Six. I think at the end, when Tony exclaims 'I get it!' to the heavens, I think he finally realizes and understands what Christopher went through, his addiction, his journey, why it pulls you in. There was a reason why Tony went out to Las Vegas, banged Chris's chick, smoked the J, took the Peyote etc. He's trying to live vicariously through him. Although he dispised Chris's addictions etc., there was a part of him that loved him like a son, and Chris had aspects of him that Tony respected. He finally understood him... in death. This is what makes The Sopranos such a great show. You can interpret it on so many different levels, and it actually makes you think and connect with the characters and what they're going through. Regardless of how the series concludes, it will go down as one of the best TV dramas in history and Sunday nights will never be the same again.
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They seem to be finishing strong.
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I was pretty shocked how quiet and quick they took him out. This stuff with Tony and Phil is going to get Tony capped. Puttin' $5 on it. Most bosses never die quietly in their sleep.
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It's no surprise that Chrissy was gonna die. And I get how this style of death plays into the season, but I've been waiting for a (verbal) confrontation for all this time, so I kind of feel cheated. Years ago, I thought Christopher's story had the most potential for an interesting ending. Tony taking advantage of a fluke car accident was not it.
I do think it was more than Chris' drug admission that led Tony to do what he did. And make no mistake, Tony was protecting nobody but himself. He didn't give a fuck about the car seat, except in the Livia Soprano, rationalize your evil kind of way. If anything, he killed him more over Cleaver and the sense of betrayal that it fostered. This was his opportunity and he took it.
As for what he understood at the end, I'm not exactly sure, but I haven't been on board with any of the speculations that I've seen here. My take on it was that maybe he's realizing that his unhappiness comes from inaction. He's been waiting for the hammer to fall for so long that it's been killing him inside. I don't think he's waiting anymore. I can see him going after Paulie and Phil as well when he gets back. Or perhaps he finally understands his mother since he's totally acting like her now. Either way, I suspect that he's done with therapy. -
Tony kills Chistopher after he crashes the car. Wasn't it just last week that Christopher stormed out of the Bing, went on his rant about not being accepted by them, and shot someone.
Now this week he's friendly with Tony, Tony kills him over the branch through the baby seat and the parania over his drug use.
This episode should have ended right there to leave us with that shock.
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Heh.
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Sopranos isn't bad, what it is is mediocre, has been for a while now. It just kind of ambles along semi-aimlessly, taking the most boring and/or contrived dramatical choices on offer, and never actually connecting the way it did at it's height. I mean when is the last truly powerful or surprising moment you saw on this show? I sure as hell haven't seen one in a damn long time, and I've been watching this show right from the start.This episode was a perfect example of all of that, here we have the death of a major character, and yet it was handled in the dullest and most undramatic way possible, robbing it of any of the impact or power that such a death, however it was accomplished, should have had. Truth is the show has just been going through the paces for a long time now, and as such I'm kinda glad that it'll finally be over in a month, because it's getting almost painful watching where it's sunken to on the quality scale, compared against what it's capable of and where it was.Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more for the final three episodes to kick my ass, and for the show to go out on a high, I just don't know if it has it in it to pull that off anymore. In fact I outright doubt that it does. Love to be proven wrong, sadly don't think I will be though.
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...since, no one is really talking much about that ep. W is not a conservative. He's expanded the scope of federal government more than anyone since FDR and he's gotten us into another world war like all of the past liberals. The terms liberal and conservative have been hijacked on both sides and that's the cause of everyone's confusion. Either you're small government, because you've never in your life seen government work, or you're big government because, although you've never seen government work, you think that if it was done right (i.e. you were in charge), then it would be a workers paradise.
To me, government is no different than a certain Jersey crew we all watch on Sunday nights. They steal half my money at gunpoint so that they can kill innocent people (in my name, even worse than the mafia), and they tell me it's all for my protection, despite it clearly making me less safe. They also use that money to do "construction" favors for their personal clan (over a third of all spending). They wack anyone who looks at them the wrong way. They prevent the free market from operating freely. You have to fear what you say around them. They've killed far more innocent people than all criminal organizations and serial killers combined (probably in one year alone). Although I think large corporations aren't very efficient, I'd put my fate in their hands before I would trust a politician to tie my shoe. Unlike the government, they are actually accountable to someone. -
I get what you're saying but for some reason, I still have hope for the finale. It seems like the entire point of this (half) season was to turn Tony into a powder keg. And in that, I think they've very much succeeded. The problem with this, is that they really need to deliver in the finale or else this season will have truly sucked. There have been some great character moments these past few weeks, but they had the previous five years for these character moments. Like that Paulie on the boat episode was several years late, if you ask me. Same with Bobby. Now it's time to ratchet up the story. I've been pretty down on this show these last few years, I think I have a new wave of optimism as we approach the end. If I'm wrong, I'll never watch the show again. ;)
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Maybe Christopher was wearing a wire? To get Phil? He was awfully nervous in the opening scene last night. Looking around, not focusing. Then, when Tony started talking business in the car, Christopher kept turning up the volume and changing the subject. He didn't want to incriminate Tony. Just Phil, by the water. he was really trying to get the sound up on that stereo. And he was wearing that stupid hat. Good place to hide a microphone. And they mentioned "The Departed" which is all about the Feds and infiltrating mobs. Just my 2 cents... Matt
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Here's how I see a it going. Tony calls in a hitman from the coast. He will be played Joe Pesci. This will allow Joe Pesci to get the trifecta by kicking the crap out of Phil (Frank Vincent) over 3 decades. Raging Bull, Goodfellas and now The Sopranos.
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...interesting thoughts there buddy, and I'd almost buy into the possibility, but then why would he be begging Tony to switch places if he was federally covered through some sort of deal? I mean it could still work, maybe he had to be clean as part of his 'deal', but it just seems a bit of an odd thing to be worrying about at the end if that were truly the case. Still, you very well could be right. We'll see (or not) soon enough I guess.Oh, and _Maltheus_, hope you're right brother, and that your optimism for the ending episodes is well founded. Personally nothing would make me happier. Again, guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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I always thought that AJ would enter the "Family Buisness". Guess I was wrong
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well said...the Christopher death was handled horribly...I suddenly don't care much about the last 3 episodes.
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What did Tony say? I thought he said, "I get it", but EW's writer said it was "I did it." Anyone with CC know for sure?
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I'm a newcomer to the Sopranos (I marathoned season 1-5 over one weekend), but the show never ceases to amaze me with its masterful writing and incredible acting. Its a very delicate look into the disturbing psyche of a sociopathic mob boss.
This episode hows us just how demented and evil Tony truly is. It left me in chills. Christopher's murder is the most disturbing death in the show so far.
Oh, and Tony high on peyote was hilarious. Gotta try that stuff one of these days.
I look forward to the last few episodes whole-heartedly. It has been an amazing season so far and I hope it carries that trend all the way into the finale. -
I don't think AJ's reaction was to the violence as much as to the racism. He was laughing at the guy who lost his toes and that was far worse than kicking someone in the street. It was much more disturbing to watch acid poured on someone. His last girlfriend probably made him more sensitive to racial issues. I'm not sure where they are going with him (was hoping it'd be clearer by now) but I don't see that single reaction as precluding him from entering the business.
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Cristopher's death was a little underwhelming. I understand Tony's motivation for ending him but it all seemed a bit sudden. This was a let down IMHO from last week's stellar episode. I agree with the poster who called the show consistently "mediocre" over the last 4 seasons (sorry this isn't season 6, it's 7 where I come from).
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What was all that yappity-"I'm-Going-To-The-FBI" yak last week if, this week, he's dead inside of 5 minutes from a random road accident? Sure, people really die in car crashes senselessly all the time, but that's NOT how I want to see a major character go out. It kind of made sense, what with his druggin' and drinkin' all the time, and Tony actually finishing him off kinda made up for it, but, really, overall, that's a pretty lame end for a character that's been in every episode since Ep. 1. Next week on the final 3rd Soproanos episode, Meadow gets a piano dropped on her head and smushed! See what I mean?
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The crash was just the most sensible plot device that would put Tony in the easiest position to kill Chris without drawing stares. Whether or not any of the crew liked Chris (which they all did) they would be horrified if Tony had him whacked. This gave Tony, now mad with fear and worry in this season, his opportunity and, being a sociopath, his justification (the baby seat, the drugs, was he a snitch). Not to mention that most people you know and have invested time with (in your real life) suffer deaths in seemingly random ways that never do live up to the lives that preceded them. Chris' end was sad, painful, and he had no way to stop it. And yes, Death is as random, for most people who have succumb to it, as a piano falling on their heads.
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Does anyone know if this is the last season of the wire coming up?
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Alberto Gonzales could be the whitest man on the planet, and he would still be an incompetent moron who would rather come off as a complete amnesiac in a TELEVISED hearing, then just admit that, yeah, he fired some people based on meeting with associates. I'm very proudly hispanic and can tell you that I give no points to Bush for sticking an unqualified Gonzales in an important post. If Jackie Robinson had become the first Black Pro-Baseball player to break the color line, and he was batting .100, I would say that he sucked, and that would not make me a racist. The fact that you jump to saying "But he's Hispanic, so he's a good guy" is not only a sad testament to how far Political Correctness has gone (you being a professed conservative), but throws a lot of light on your own feelings about race. "Me thinks doth thou protest too much"
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If you are as old and wise as you say you are, and not a 14 year old buy pretending to be his dad, then perhaps you remember Bosnia? You know, when Left Looney Bill Clinton basically just beat the shit out of Milosevic, stopped a genocide, and did it all within the middle of his second term? Do you remember that one? It also went down as one of the only US military actions that was not immediately proceeded by an economic recession. Oh, and yes, plenty of "liberals" did protest him too, only Clinton fought his war correctly, succinctly, honestly, on-time, and under-budget. I don't think Bush was an idiot necessarily for going into Iraq, a lot of us on the left felt it was a war we could afford. I think Bush is an idiot for fucking this war up so bad that FDR and Truman (another couple of 'liberals' who knew how to wage war better than 'conservatives') defeated the GODDAMN NAZIS in less time and with less money than Bushie has taken getting a Mickey Mouse Operation like Iraq to settle down. Iraq Way = Bosnia Penis Envy
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Damn, had to be that last line too.
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... is that Chris didn't see that bird JUST before his death. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm referring to that bird that stared at him while he was being "made". You know, the one he thought was an omen! It would have made for a nice throwback moment.
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I thought he said I did it and it was an admission of guilt.
I loved his "realization" that Chris was his bad luck charm while gambling. Stoned logic doesn't usually make sense. -
I humored all the negativity during season 6A..."they'll understand once the final episodes air", I thought.
Well, the complaining is still going on, and Sledge Hammer's comments aside (he is the most articulate and sensible of the complainers, despite being wrong), I have no fucking idea what anyone is talking about.
Like all great episodes, these final 9 actually improve the ones that came before. In my opinion, the only episode this season that didn't blow me away was Chasing It, and that episode wasn't really that abd since it contained the last scenes of the entire "crew" ENJOYING themselves TOGETHER. I know its become fashionable to condescend to The Sopranos, to impulsively search for things to hate, but if you're TRULY attached to these characters (as I am), you should understand that this show has always been about defying expectations and placing thematic consistency above "crowd pleasing" moments.
What most pisses me off about the negativity is that this Season has (in addition to being thematically consistent) been LOADED with crowd-pleasing moments. Lots of humor, lots of pathos, and plenty of juicy character interactions. And at least one "whacking" (or at least death) per episode. What more do you people want!?
You really need to trust David Chase...he knows what he's doing and the feeling I've gotten from each and every one of these episodes is CONFIDENCE. Even though I have no idea how things will turn out, I have been swept up by the sense that I am in good hands. I get the feeling these episodes have been thought about for a long time...perhaps as far back as Season 4! Gone are the silly romantic subplots and cartoonish "wiseguy" banter from (the still-underrated) Season 4...this is show in complete control, a show that KNOWS exactly what it is doing.
If you can't FEEL that conviction in each and every one of these episodes, I have no idea why you're still watching the show. Nothing would please me more than to see a massively popular show lose the bulk of its "fans" (many of whom were never real fans to begin with) and become a cult favorite in the end. Only those with discerning tastes can appreciate how inspired the show has always been, and will continue to be right up until the final song plays and the credits role.
And anyone who thinks Season 5 sucked (or that The Test Dream was anything less than brilliant) is an idiot anyway.
I watch very few television shows, and fewer still all the way through. I've done that for The Sopranos...and I don't regret it for an instant. In fact, I've decided to finally buy all the Seasons on the basis of Season 6B alone. They've earned my money...
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all you seem to be interested in doing is throwing around the word liberal as many times, and in as many insulting ways as possible, that it becomes an insult in and of itself without and logical basis for it.if you think a few southern "democrats" (who really were conservative) and a few northern "conservatives" (who were in fact, more liberal than their label) opposing or supporting civil rights respectively, means your point is served, then I don't see how we can continue a rational discussion. rhetoric, on either side, with no interest or basis in realism, does not a good talkback political discussion make.
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Coldest killing since Nino Brown's boy jumped out of the jeep and blew the Rasta's brains out in "New Jack City". Totally anticlimactic and throwaway death for such a great character, though.
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It's funny, people act like Tony won't have any grief for Chrissy. But there is three more shows left. I know, not a lot there but you need to hold off and wait til the ending to judge.
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I thought the internet was invented for porn, everything else is is incidental. You pegged me,Bacci40, only thoughtless morons enjoy porn...good one. Smart men have never flogged the dolphin while looking at some big titties. Lazy, "choose your own adventure" style symblolism (which you don't even seem to get, by the way) is a testament to how complacent this show has become. I am not saying this show is as terrible as the Black Donnelys, but it is overrated.
What is this shit about waiting until the end of the show to judge Tony? He went from benevolent dictator to sociopath. He went to Las Vegas not to escape the death around him. He went to Christopher's woman and fucked her. He did peyote because he heard Christopher had done it with her. He didn't need to kill him, he needed to destroy him. In the end, he envied Christopher and used him as a scapegoat for all of his failures. Or is that too much thought for some of you. Tony will not show grief because he feels justified. Pussy was killed because of business. Christopher's murder was much more personal. People who find Tony dispicable with three shows left to go are not bitching, dumbass. It is how he is being portrayed in the show right fuckin' now. -
When you defend a mediocre show like this, you two, it betrays the fact that this is the highlight of your week. I am happy that this show will be ending. I am even happier that you two will be so fuckin' empty when you have nothing to be so fuckin' excited about. Cheers to your miserable existence, if only reruns were as good as the first time.
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That's a very intriguing notion, Matt. I still can't understand Chris's incessant fiddling with the radio - was he nervous about something or just fidgity because he was high? I actually thought for a minute that he was perhaps going to try to kill Tony, but that was me just wondering where the hell they were going with it.
For the record, I agree more or less wholeheartedly with LoneWolf. These 6B episodes are making every seemingly lacklustre episode of 6A seem a stronger part of the overall storyline and creating a denser layer to nearly every character in this whole powderkeg situation. Tony is at the stage now where he could honestly go either way: ballistic all out war lost in his nihilism or tuck-tail and run to get away from all the brutality. And that's the far more intriguing aspect of Tony's personality and psychology, which is -after all- pretty much the driving force of the entire show! -
Season 4 was awesome and is probably my favourite after the first, as it had some brilliant plot lines, a fuckton of pathos and excellent humour, as well as the emotional punch of the Soprano's marriage meltdown.
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+1. Especially what you said about "The Test Dream".
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Foreshadowing in this episode:
1) Tony's fixation on the devil in the game in the casino.
2) End of days references: Tony is at Caesar's Palace, the Pompeii slot machine.
3) Did you listen closely as the asbestos is dumped at the end of the episode??? Yes, that was Tony's precious ducks.
4) The asbestos dumping itself is a forshadowing itself. Asbestos, of course is hard to completly get rid of and has a tendency to linger. Even though Tony thinks he has gotten rid of Chris, could his death linger???
5)The brilliant flash of light at the end of the episode is the same as Tony's dream from the Costa Mesa coma. At the time in the dream from the Coma we think the flash of light represents Heaven, but does it? Perhaps the opposite.
And FINALLY, I'm not completely sure about this one, but here goes; Did anyone notice Chris' behavior during the last car ride? The turning up of the radio to maximum volume? The wearing of the Cleaver cap from the meeting at NY? Chris' all around strange behavior? "T, call me a cab, I will never pass the drug test."
Let me just say this: Anyone want to wager that Chris was a rat? Could this be Tony's downfall?
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wow, didn't think there would be so much disregard for a superb show such as the Sopranos. What are you guys watching? Seriously...would love to know. Anyway, have some thoughts I would like to share with you nerds. First off, good points nicegoogly. I do have to address what I think of Tony with what you were saying, addressing that fact of Tony being a complete sociopath and recognizing him for that fact now. I wholeheartly agree with that but I do think that, during the episode, was simply rationalizing the fact that he didn't want Chris around anymore. He blatantly told everyone that if Chris was doing this at another time, the child in the back seat could of got killed, a relief that he didn't have to deal with him and Paulie, trying to force Carmela in rationalizing his own relief on her, etc. But all Tony got in return was stories of how much his nephew loved and admired him and that seemed to linger and tick Tony off. Fuck, Tony even had to throw the Cleaver cup in the bushes outside because he couldn't stand to look at it. As much as he wants to think that this was buisness, that he's done this before such as killing Pussy and killing Steve Buschemi, his best friend, there will still be a lasting impression with the relief of Christopher. Tony acted on a stupid whim, a selfish whim, and it will bite him in the ass. Christopher was the ONLY family Tony had with him; truly someone only Tony could trust in a untrustworthy world. Tony didn't know this...he still believed Christopher wanted to kill him. BUT, I think the viewers knew he wouldn't. He listened to the little advise his hero gave him. Where did that leave Christopher? Jumping back on the horse, depressed, caught in a life that his Uncle said he couldn't get out. It was Tony thinking what he thought was the right thing for his nephew that ultimately killed him. But the question remains, does Tony recognize this and if he doesn't, then it will be the end for him. It would be fitting to end the series knowing that he lost everyone in his family, but he had to live with it. Sorry for the ramble folks, just some thoughts.
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the fact that we are even discussing the meanings behind this show, agree or disagree, is what MAKES this a great show. Think about it.
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I came to the same conclusion...Evidence???
1.1st season – Carmela tells Tony he’s going to hell when he dies.
2.2nd season – Christopher tells Tony that they’re all in hell, after his near death experience.
3.4th season – Tony reminds Carmela of her comment
4.6th season – Ep 1. Tony falls into a coma
5.6th season – Ep 2 and 3. Tony has a near death experience leading him to the “white light” with his cousin as Peter.
6.6th season – Ep. 18. Tony kills Christopher. Has no remorse, has peyote flashbacks to his coma. He sees the devil in Vegas. He says “I get it.” He knows and has no conscience when he returns to New York. He’s accepted his fate. All hell is gonna break lose because Tony doesn't care anymore.
In the final moments of the final show, Tony will be killed by someone (Phil, Paulie, Silvio) after that, we revisit his coma hallucination. He is greeted at the white light by Peter (Tony B.) Unlike last time, he actually walks through it, to find…he’s in hell. Fade to Black. The End.
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This will always be heralded as a great show. i continute to watch it, not to hate on it, but enjoy the colloquy about it afterwards. It is by no means a dumb show. You see, vinceklortho can disagree with me about some things and not outright insult me to get his point across and start a flamefest back and forth. A real gentleman warrior. If someone wants to directly insult Harry to get there point across, please do so.
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I know its a wild theory, but dammit the "peyote tripping" sequence reminded me SO MUCH of a similar sequence in Animal Man...and I've been asking myself if David Chase might be among the "unexpected visitors" who show up in the last episode.
I don't know if any of you have read Animal Man, but in the last issues of the series, Animal man's entire family is killed and he wanders the periphery of the "comic book universe" in despair. Eventually, he comes face to face with Grant Morrison (the author of the series) and after learning he has no free will of his own, Animal Man's family is "restored" to him (Animal man is Job and Morrison is God...the comics are filled with spiritual/religious symbolism).
I'm sure its a long shot, but if Chase DID decide tyo end the show this way, it would be a masterstroke. Only die-hard Grant Morrison fans (of which I proudly include myself) are aware of the brilliance of Animal Man...and its conclusion is without question its greatest accomplishment. With all the speculation that there's "no way to end the show"...this seems a foolproof antidote.
Think about it. The Russian? He didn't matter, because he was only a fictional construct...thats why he never came back. All those car crashes? Same deal.
Best of all, this ending would provide an excuse for every single Sopranos character, living and dead, to make a final appearance: from Pussy to Ralphie, from Johnnie Sack to Adriana, they'll all be back.
Could it happen? If it does, The Sopranos will surely go down as the finest TV show in American history. And yes, that includes The Simpsons and Seinfeld. The brilliance would be unparalleled.
Does anyone out there know what I'm talking about? ANYONE? -
Tony doesn't know he's fictional YET, but he will realize that before the show ends. Thats my theory.
In Animal Man, the main character takes peyote and (in an absolutely stunning full-page illustration of Animal Man looking directly at us) suddenly "sees" the readers looking at him.
Obviously, to have Tony do that now, with so much left to occur, would ruin the dramatic tension of the next 3 episodes. So they instead only hinted at it. But this seems like the kind of wild, rule-breaking idea Chase would embrace. And as I said before, its the only way to really top all the "dreams" and "visions" and bring everyone back FOR REAL.
And its a hell of a lot better than "it was all a dream"...
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tony will be eating at artie's restaurant, and he'll choke and die on a DUCK bone. there's your full circle. makes about as much sense as this Animal Man talk.
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The "Morrison" ending (also utilized by Stephen King to finsih his Dark Tower epic...so there are MANY precedents...just not on a TV show yet), on the other hand, would fit perfectly with nearly every aspect of the show. The loose ends (done for convenience), the coincidences, Tony's bizarre ability to "forget" his emotional connection to Chris and make an abrupt transition to pure evil, and the "Kevin Finnerty" dream (Chase simply wanted to have a little fun by re-envisioning a "respectable" Tony...nothing more).
Oh, by the way, there's a case of "mistaken identity" in Animal Man as well. A mysterious stranger keeps appearing to Animal Man's children (the adults can't see him) and leaving creepy warnings for the family. It is actually Animal Man HIMSELF, who has used a time machine to warn his family that they will soon be murdered by Animal Man's enemies. But he only THINKS he uses a time machine...in reality, there IS no time machine...the character was simply "allowed" to go back in time by the author for the sake of a good story.
Here's my guess...don't be surprised if someone claims Tony was doing something at a time and place he couldn't POSSIBLY have been. He may be accused of doing something wrong in JERSEY while he was in Vegas, for example. Tony will deny this of course, but in actuality, he WAS in Jersey at the same time he was in Vegas...because Chase NEEDED him to be in Jersey to allow the story to finish the way he wanted. Tony will be confused and depressed, until a visit from Chase (and maybe some other minds behind the show...including the ACTORS themselves) lets him realize he has never been real, except in the minds of the creators and the people who love the show.
I'm not saying the ending will be identical to Animal Man's, only that the fourth wall WILL be broken (and Chase most likely WILL appear) in the series' last episode.
I've got a feeling.
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May 16, 2007 12:08:04 AM CDT
Getting Back to the Fuckin' Dennis Miller Point
by thisisthecaptainspeaking
The whole diatrabe on conservative vs liberal in this TB started with an inquiry on who listens to Dennis Miller's radio show. I'm a HUGE Soprano's fan, but this whole tangent on the right vs left would squeeze even Silvio's balls past breaking. I mean, c'mon, he's got the toughest balls, right? Umm...never mind...
Call Dennis Miller what you will, but when his input, serious or not, on how he thinks the show should end launches one of you fuckers into the stratosphere of name-calling, you're as closeminded as Jerry Falwell (croaking on a slab as I type) having to decide on a name for a street on his uber-religious campus after either Ellen DeGeneres or Harvey Milk. (Oh shit! I just used a simile! I must be a Dennis Miller troll!) Grow the fuck up.
Guess what? You conservatives, you can't be 100% right. You liberals, you can't be 100% right. How's about we talk about Tony, Carm, and all the others still alive (for now) instead of turning this TB into a fuckin' political sewer that smells like shit from both sides? Whatchathink? -
Personally, I think Tony's revelation was related to the dual nature of his relationship to Christopher. On the one hand, he loved Christopher like a son. On the other hand, he fucking killed him. It was an amazing moment when Tony looked at Chris as Van Morrison sang Pink Floyd's 'Comfortably Numb' (not as good as the original), and the lyrics sang "When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse/ Out of the corner of my eye/ I turned to look but it was gone/ I cannot put my finger on it now/ The child is grown/ The dream is gone/ I have became comfortably numb". As Christopher turned up the volume, muting their conversation, Tony looked at him and saw that they really had grown apart. The addiction, Adrianna, killing Tony B., Cleaver, Julianna and back to the addiction. It all added up to a cold momment of pragmatism where Tony decided that Chris was more of a liability than a son. I think, in the end, Tony saw into his own heart and realized how he could kill someone he loved so much and still feel relief. He finally accepted his own evil. I also think he needed to walk along Chris' path for a while before he could let him go. I think the story will end with him taking over NY and ruling with a soul burned black like the charred corpse of a half cremated leper. He's been reborn after all. Now he knows he can kill anyone.
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Will your theories be put into practice when he confronts Phil? Will he ultimately lose his family while trying to go after all this power?
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I can't say for sure that they haven't used it before, but I'm EXPECTING Sprinsgsteen's Atlantic City- "everything dies, baby, that's a fact, but maybe everything that dies, someday comes back. put your best dress on and do your hair up pretty, and meet me tonight in Atlantic City"
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yeah ok.
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