The new backers see "T4" as an attempt to reinvent the franchise with new cast and plotlines, ploys that worked for Batman and James Bond, and is being attempted with "The Incredible Hulk," which has Edward Norton as its new star.…says a Variety article HERE! So, in theory, TERMINATOR 4 (with a "new cast and plotline") could be deployed as an alternate TERMINATOR 1, because even though it takes place after the events of the existing trilogy, it actually sets the existing trilogy/overall mythos into motion...and could therefore be used as a different kind of launching pad/origin story (i.e. “future war” escapades lead to time travel into their past (our present) to undo the situation in the future, and so forth. Theoretically, of course... Halcyon's arrangement includes future merchandise and licensing, but has limited impact on Fox/Warner’s SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES TV series.
May 10, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST
May 10, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST
read this last night at darkhorizons
May 10, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST
May 10, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST
only reason I didn't get first is cause I actually typed a message
May 10, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST
His character would be the main link between the original continuity and this New continuity, it would be nice if Reece was played by the same actor but I cant really see it happening. If he doesnt come back does any one else think Timothy Olyphant looks like Micheal Beihn??
May 10, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
May 10, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST
All they need to do is use some cunning CGI to replicate Arnie's face from back in the day to create a Terminator army. Then use that age regression technique from X3 on Michael Biehn. Get rid of 'the nostrils' guy from T3 and give the job to someone who can play a baddass take-no-shit resitence leader. As a Terminator fan I hope they don't screw this up. And finally we might see a film set entirely in the future!? How cool would be an all-out war with T100s 1000s and X's? Get your hating out of the way now but try to imagine the fun that they could have with this film. :)
May 10, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST
Get Marvel to part fund as thats where all the talent is these days!
May 10, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST
for "chance to reinvent" read "couldn't get any of the original players back". Restarting Terminator is a horrible idea. The original is an 80s classic, the sequel plays a little differently but is on a par with the first - i thought it was better for about a decade but as time has worn on i appreciate the simplicity of the pounding original all the more. But T3 sucked and Terminator without Schwarzenegger? Hell they might as well make a PG13 Die Hard, do a Snake Plissken film without Kurt, or...oh hell, never mind!
May 10, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST
the pages are loading as fast as a dead turtle
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May 10, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST
by brock landers baby
Ooh what a lovely tea party!
May 10, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
...since the word of Willis actually posting in talkback started to spread far and wide.
May 10, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST
I totally agree...except I liked T3. Maybe I should watch it again and see how it holds up...
May 10, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST
It should've been made in 1996, when Cameron would have needed to use the same cool practical effects he used in T2. A cut-rate T4 made now is just going to have lots and lots of faceless crap CGI like we saw during the Future War scenes in T3. And they'd better not cast Michael Biehn. That de-aging effect from X3 was cool but distracting for a five minute prologue sequence. If applied to an entire feature length performance, it would be maddening trying to constantly find the seams.
May 10, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST
It's been years since I see this skit, I remember watching this episode, the XMAS special. It also had one of the Rudolph specials on here, but I cant remember if it was Raging Rudolph, or The Reinfather.
May 10, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST
Still pissed off about Die Hard being PG13. I was really hoping for some liberal use of "cock sucker" and "butt fucked" and what not .... Guess I should just watch a Ben Stiller movie.
May 10, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST
I like him...
May 10, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST
Every Terminator movie needs 'SCHWARZENEGGER' in big letters on the poster. Arnold needs to be in the movie. Otherwise do NOT make it. But if they really MUST make it without him, pay him money to use his image from previous movies and somehow make it work.
May 10, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST
by Boondock Devil
If they're going to do future Terminator movies they have to scrap the time travel storylines. You can only send out more and more advanced terminators so many times before it gets plenty old. I like the idea of making a hard-R rated war film of humanity vs machines. I'd like to get a trilogy of films seeing the beginning of the war to the (finally) very end. Also, it could be done without Scwarzenegger but it'd be a nice bonus to atleast throw in a cameo.
May 10, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
Ian Mcshane as John Conner.
May 10, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST
It certainly couldn't get any worse. I honestly refuse to accept T3 as part of the Terminator trilogy. Way too silly and too much taken from the 2nd movie. Nothing original about a female terminator that's part T800 and T1000. Too much "Let's take it up a notch dude!!!", gimme a break.
May 10, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST
by uss cygnus
There should have been no T-3. The whole message in T-2 was that "There is no fate but what we make", meaning NOTHING is inevitable (save for death and taxes). The whole mythology of the pair of films was shattered by "Judgement Day is Inevitable." Such complete and utter bullshit. They HAD to start the war. They HAD to have Skynet be built and become self-aware. They HAD to do some kind of morally relativistic bullshit about "See! the military and computer automation is EEEVIL!" There was a perfect symmetry to the two films that in no way needed the third. T4 is The Matrix Revolutions. Check, please.
May 10, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST
Good job there, raggin' on the guy's last name. Champagne all around!
May 10, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST
was what would have happened after the machines took over in the Terminator series.</p> Anywho, I'm not interested. As far as I'm concerned a Terminator movie without Arnold is blasphemy.
May 10, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST
by Darth Fart
There are no stories to tell - it's all been. Showing the war is nice and all, but the fact that we only see glimpses gives it that mystique quality.
May 10, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST
by Mr Incredible
It won't be long until someone will "reimagine" ROBOCOP. Let this stuff die and move on to something original.
May 10, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST
get it? kinda like a prequel? except in the future? *goes cross-eyed*
May 10, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST
by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies
No Arnold, no Cameron, no interested anymore.
May 10, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST
I remember in T1 when Kyle was captured by the police and he was being interviewed/grilled. They asked him why didn't other bad guys come back, why did they only send one. He said (and I'm paraphrasing from memory) Because we had won, the machines had lost and Skynet only had time to send one machine through to change the outcome before the humans blew up the time machine. That's why I never really understood T2, they didn't really go into how another was sent. Please correct me if I am wrong.
May 10, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST
by Pound Sand
And somewhere, Kurt Russell will be laughing
May 10, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST
Michael Biehn better fucking be in the movie. They dont have to show him close up or anything, but I want to see Kyle Reese being put into the time displacement machine and John Connor look at him with so much sadness because hes sent his dad into the past on a suicide mission to save his mother. They do this one little thing, maybe a tiny cameo by Schwarzenegger and I'll be happy.
May 10, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST
But they'll fuck it up.
May 10, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST
You would think James Cameron would have bought the rights back. I can just imagine what he would have done with T4 and so on, especially if he used the new 3D tech he has been developing.
May 10, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST
Despite his real life problems, he could totally pull it off. The fact that Nick Stahl was cast as Conner killed T3, but the movie itself sucked ass anyway. I say they cast Furlong and get a capable director and sci-fi screenwriter who'll do justice to the franchise if there's even a franchise anymore.
May 10, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST
There was originally an extended Future War sequence, in which we saw exactly how the Resistance defeated Skynet and gained access to the time displacement equipment. Kyle is sent back first, and John explains Kyle's fate to another soldier. John then looks at a bunch of T-800 models on an assembly line, trying to figure out which one he remembers from his youth -- an interesting idea, because whichever one he picks is the correct one. It is therefore implied that Kyle *thinks* there was only one Terminator sent back in time, because it's vital to his mission that he impregnate Sarah (this also explains why John didn't just send another T-800 back to 1984). John knew all along that Skynet managed to send two Terminators back, so he takes the necessary steps to deal with it. I'm actually glad they didn't include this scene, because it's too deterministic.
May 10, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST
That Jesus skit was one of the only good ones to come from that show, besides the classic Raging Rudolph ;) Thanks for reminding me of that one. "Who the f**k are you?" "I'm Yukon Jack, the best hitman in the north" *blows Santa's brains out*
May 10, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST
After a lot of bad press mostly because Cameron dropped out, because of the huge budget, and because of Ahnuld's age and politics, T3 was widely predicted the can't-miss bomb of 2003. Apparently that's as far as some TBers got, because it totally surprised on the upside with good acting from the non-cyborgs, a sense of humor, good FX that wasn't all CGI, a chase scene that put MATRIX to shame, and a surprise non-Hollywood ending faithful to the original material. Besides Getting 71% Fresh on RT and making almost a half billion worldwide, anyone who got past yet another Cameron no-show wouldn't flaunt their ignorance saying it sucked. Mostow did good, and at least he made it, which can't be said about Cameronwho any more these days. T3 was a worthy contribution to the franchise, overcame incredibly bad buzz, kicked ass, and was successful in a variety of ways. T4 should be so good.
May 10, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST
Works for me.
May 10, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST
Edward won't dry out and Stahl flat-out sucked. And T3 HAD to happen. Duh !
May 10, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST
... finding blood in your stool. And T3 was too "T.V." for my tastes.
May 10, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST
Wait for it...... Spider-man 3. Horseshit of the highest order.
May 10, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST
by DARTH VOODOO
I enjoyed T3 as much as just about any summer blockbuster of the last few years. T3 is better than Spiderman 3 both of the Pirates of the Carribean films. Both of the Matrix sequels. Should I go on?
May 10, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST
But T2 contradicts the first Terminator, which essentially ends with the message that fate is inescapable.
May 10, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST
I always thought the logical way to do a Terminator film completely set in the future would be to have John Connor mortally wounded in the beginning of the movie and his only choice to save himself would be to have his people put his brain inside of a T-100. So essentially the story would come full circle. John Connor himself would become the Terminator. But Arnold's too old and I don't think he could pull it off.
May 10, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST
Either leave the Terminator saga alone, or do the shit right. Everyone has been wanted a "future war" movie since 1992. Now they have the technology to make it cool. I don't want to see anymore Terminators traveling back in time, getting sunglasses and wounding a bunch of cops. Future war or bust. I was SO disappointed with the brief, actionless future war shot in T3. So much potential...
May 10, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
I am its biggest advocate. Quite frankly, it blew me away- I had NO idea that the new people would have the guts to actually do judgment day. And the way they tied everything together was absolutely brilliant. In many ways, it mopped up a lot of Cameron's messes in T2.
May 10, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST
I hear those versus movies are all the rage these days! Plus I only have the first comic and would like to know how it ends...
May 10, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
Besides, T3 already sucked. they might as well go for broke.
May 10, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST
by GibsonUSA Returns
A new on-screen case, but an old face for composer, please. The theme music must reign.
May 10, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST
Why didnt it ever think to go the First Contact route and enslave mankind in the past?You could combine everyones favorite current fads-Prequels+Pirates, add some endoskeletons in there with patches over one eye and your Golden!!
May 10, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST
by a rolling stone
This could be our new Quantum Leap. Time travel 1-hour drama.
May 10, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST
They should pit a Human Arny against terminator Arny. Now that would be a good premise!
May 11, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST
by Mace Tofu
The "official" 3rd movie. Are they ever putting that short out on DVD?
May 11, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST
Dear god, why? Why? WHY??? Can we stop the self-referential mythos crap??? The shark has been JUMPED.
May 11, 2007, 12:34 a.m. CST
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May 11, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
May 11, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
May 11, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST
Terminator...meh. But who knows, it all change depending who they get for a director, DP and cast.
May 11, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST
He's a damn good actor and close to his thirties, maybe. Anyhoo, T4 will be CRAZY DELICIOUS!!!
May 11, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST
Aw, cast whomever the hell ya want ya greedy BASTARDS!!!
May 11, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST
by Franklin T Marmoset
They reboot the whole thing and make it about robots from the future who come back in time to hunt and kill The Kaiser Chiefs.<p>I'll give you RUBYFUCKINGRUBY, you annoying pack of cunts.
May 11, 2007, 7 a.m. CST
T3 = caca
May 11, 2007, 7:04 a.m. CST
Just thought I'd be GL to the punch... Actually I didn't mind the movie and the ending rocked. Cheers.
May 11, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
The whole Terminator thing has run its course. Without Cameron was stupid, without both Cameron and Arnie it is dogwank.
May 11, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST
The terminator. The humans in the story are bullshit no one wants to realate to the humans in this franchise because they are weak. Unless they are hatching a plot to get another terminator on the human side of the war i won't care for this film as much. infact its gonna suck watching a bunch of humans blowing up terminators. The only film that would be good for the future world of terminator is the one where the machines win.
May 11, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST
There are a few parts that bug me, but that is true with almost any film. T3 had the balls to blow up the world before blowing up the world was cool. Thats how all movies should end, especially romantic comedy and documentary films.
May 11, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST
If they get a Robert Patrick or an Arnold, it should be good. If the cast The Rock, or some bullshit like that it will suck. I'd be happy if Stahl came back, but there isn't anyone that can't be replaced in this series. They should have left Arnold out of the third film.
May 11, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST
This storyline has been sitting out there since 1991, and I think they wasted T3 by doing a rehash, instead of jumping to the war of man vs machines. This story wont appeal to the masses, but that will make it better cause they won't cater to the kiddies like Lucas did with the Prequels. To the creators of this project, PLEASE FOCUS ON CHARACTERS!!!!! Sure you need cool action, and cool effects, but don't overshadow the characters. There are so many summer movies now that wow you with cool effects, and forget about the characters, and are forgettable years later.
May 11, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST
What a silly word.
May 11, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST
It's a game homeless people play to take their mind off of their situation... kinda like capture the flag.
May 11, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST
Thanks for the reply, I've often wondered about that. So, to clarify, Skynet sent back the first terminator, then the resistance got to the time machine and sent back Kyle, then the T-1000 somehow overcame the resistance, reprogrammed the time machine for a later date and went back, then the resistance pulled itself back together and sent back good-guy T-100 to help stop the T-1000? Then somehow the girly terminator went through and yet again the resistance sent another T-100 back to help? You know thinking about it that way, it's probably good they kind of glossed over all that. PS. The only bad scene that bothered me in T3 was when she took over the cars with nanobots? and had them chase Connor, they weren't even automatic cars, some were stick shift, I call b.s. on that. They could have easily had humans chasing them via an APB and came out with the same effect without being stupid.
May 11, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST
T-2 was the high water mark for the series. T-3 was pointless.
May 11, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST
please... no more Terminator movies... please I'm begging you.
May 11, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST
millions of terminators, only a few hundred humans... que Terminator theme. Action! or just dont make anymore terminator movies... that would be just as good. Btw I loved the first 2 movies. I just really cant stand the guy who played J. Connor in the 3rd movie.
May 11, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST
So at the end Arnie could be in it just that they will use the de-ageing process like in X-3
May 11, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST
May 11, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST
Not that I really care. <p> Whatever happened to Michael Edwards? He was great in his one scene as JC.He was exuding authority. And that scar was better than Plissken's eyepatch.
May 12, 2007, 4:41 a.m. CST
In the Terminator 2 arcade game, the time machine belongs to SkyNet, and it's the resistance which somehow hijacks it in order to send the T-800 after the T-1000. That "somehow" in the arcade game involves dozens of quarters and assloads of bullet and rocket attacks at enemy weakspots. :P Anyhoo, a Terminator set in the post-apocalyptic future is what I've always wanted. But setting a story in a weird sci-fi world is usually a bad idea when it comes to mass appeal. Terminator movies always set things right in modern day stuff. But, maybe there will be lots of settings in destroyed major cities. That would be cool, watching the Resistance battle Terminators in a nuked Los Angeles, with ruined landmarks and what not.
May 12, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST
with all these sequels now the terminator can go the way of the aliens and predators!!!! sweet!
May 12, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST
take off and nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.
May 12, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST
I want a future war movie(s)... Maybe two more. #1 would show the beginning of the Resistance, and the fight that Mankind has to have just to survive after Judgment Day. Show me some mop-up action by SkyNet. #2 would jump a few years later showing the Final Battle and Man's Victory over Machine. It could even show John Connor or his wife taking out the last Super-Duper-Duper Terminator. Or the first Organic Terminator. Or tie it into the Matrix with SkyNet developing the Matrix and battery power....
May 12, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
the Terminator movies are basically DOOM. Re-booting or re-imagining a tired franchise sounds, well, tired. This what happens when hedge funds get into the movie business, which Halcyon basically is. They're like Legendary Pictures (that financed SUPERMAN RETURNS); it's private hedge fund looking to strike it rich in the movie business by trying to revive old franchises. It's what has been done in the corporate world the past few years: private funds buying up once profitable but tarnished or fallen brands.
May 12, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
Specifying Batman, Bond and maybe Hulk as the successuful 'reinventions' is a great swipe at all the many times that idea's failed (Superman, Apes, Kong, etc.) Still, a total recasting of Spider-Man might reinvigorate that failed franchise. <p> I'm glad I read/skim entire threads before I post, I was totally wondering about "RagTag" as a street game, sort of a cross between tag and keep-away. But it's been covered. <p> Yesterday; RoboCop vs. Terminator.<p> Today; Borg vs. Cylons.
May 12, 2007, 3 p.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
with the Sarah Connor Chronicles? <p> On the Kids WB @ CW, the Legion of Superheroes go back and pick up young Superman after he's designed a costume but before he's gone public in it, as he's getting ready to move from Smallville to Metropolis. The year he spends in the future gives him the training he needs to be a public costumed hero. So it's the link between the end of "Smallville" and the start of "Superman: The Animated Series". On "The Batman" season finale (series finale?) J'onn J'onzz approaches Batman to join thier fledgling 'league' (apparently in the works since Smallville) and he joins, linking The Batman to the beginning of Justice League/JLU. Meanwhile, it's been informally established that the Teen titans series was set a few years between Batman and Robin: TAS, and the JLA/LJU shows. (Robin os more confident and capable on Titans, supporting characters and villains who appeared on both (Aqualad, Dr. Light) are shown as older on JLU).<p> Sorry to bore and non-comic-geek Terminator fans, but my point is, it's fun when various versions of a property have at least an informal but logical connection. And if being a sci-fi geek isn't fun for you, you;re doing it wrong. <p> If we have any fan writers here, someone needs to write a fan-fic in which Desmond (visions of the future) and Allison Dubois (precognitive dreams) see a future in which Superman, Dr. Who, Sam Beckett, the T-100, the guys from The Time Tunnel series and Ando all cross paths. Let me know where you post it when it's done.
May 12, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST
by Alonzo Mosely
May 12, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST
by Trader Groucho 2
the first reviews on Shrek 3 ain't exactly enthusiastic. Here's a great idea. Do something ORIGINAL, that isn't based on ANYTHING ELSE. Like maybe roll the dice on a spec screenplay. Remember those? How we got stuff like the first Lethal Weapon. American Beauty. We may well be reaching the point as an audience where we we'll reflexively (and not just the folks on AICN, but audiences in general) recoil in horror at the prospect of yet another bloody re-imagining or sequel.
May 13, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST
The rights got sold off for an undisclosed sum, which means a huge fucking sum. And the best way for them to recoup their investment? You got it, appeal to the kiddies. You wait, soon they'll be a Terminator cartoon, a Terminator cereal. The Terminators will therefore only stun their human enemies with tazer guns; will never hurt the general public of kill a dog, or steal a policeman's bike, and never, ever say 'Fuck you asshole'.
May 13, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST
There was an exchange between Reese and Sarah Connor which went something like "you're from the future?" and he answers something like "well, one possible future. I'm just a soldier don't ask me how it works." It was clear from the first movie that the future was not inevitable. They just made a more blatant deal about it in T2.
May 13, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST
by GibsonUSA Returns
That would kick fuckin ass! Imagine the marshmallows with the red dot eyes! Rocck on! Make this part of an everyday balanced breakfast immediately!