Review

Harry finally reviews SPIDER-MAN 3...

Published at: May 9, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST by headgeek

You know, sometimes there’s such an incredible wave of backlash against a film, that just frankly doesn’t deserve it. Why has it taken me so long to write about my thoughts for SPIDER-MAN 3, I’ll tell ya. Frankly, there has been so much of a pissy attitude about the film be slung about, that I felt my happy feelings about the film would be seen as some bizarre bit of studio ass-kissing, but this is just how I feel. Is the film perfect? No. But here’s the thing – I had a blast with the film. Dorky Dark Peter Parker? Well, that’s dead on for me. Peter Parker, even under the influence of a malevolent evil – would only every be dorky bad. Because Peter Parker isn’t a geek, he’s a dork. He’s hapless, klutzy and.. well.. a dork. Kinda like Sam Raimi. Sam projects a lot onto his heroes, be they Peter Parker/Spider-Man or Ash or all the way back in 1982 with Cleveland Smith, Bounty Hunter:





Raimi is a mega-geek with dork tendencies and that really comes out in SPIDER-MAN 3, more so than in either of the first two films. I completely get why so many are reacting soooo negatively towards “dancing Parker” – but I’ve seen Peter get a little too much money in the comics and splurge on something truly dorky. I’ve seen Parker in print get the big head – and it always, but always serves to humble him and bring him back to Earth, feeling like a complete and utter dick. Why does Mary Jane come across as a beautiful naggy bummer to live with and date? BECAUSE Mary Jane is the WRONG girl for Peter Parker. She loves SPIDER-MAN, look at her. She’s just like that cunt Lois Lane, remember when Superman gave up his powers for that twit… what does Lois do, basically you can see her interest instantly wane. She’s a Superman groupie. She likes a flying fuck, and Mary Jane loves the upside down kiss. That’s all these women want, they certainly DON’T want Peter Parker. And before you babe staring dweebs start moaning about Gwen Stacy… She, as shown in this film, is a Spider-Man lover too. The real girl for Parker lives across the hallway and bakes cookies and cakes for him. She’s wildly infatuated with Peter Parker – and that’s the exact right girl for his life. But, he’s all Googily for the Model types. Fucking waste of time. But again, that’s been Peter Parker’s problem from the beginning… he always goes after the wrong dame… a chick that attacks trouble like webs capture flies. Again, this all feeds into the fact that Peter Parker is a DORK. He doesn’t really know how to treat a woman. He’s rushing into marriage without a clue what that really means. This morning, I got a call from a fella… actually, Yoko did, and she handed me the phone, cuz I’m better at relationship advice than she is, at least she thinks so… and this kid on the other line poured out his heart to me, and frankly, he reminded me of Peter Parker. He speaks about love, but at the same time talks about, if they were to break up, it wouldn’t be his fault. Never being able to accept personal accountability for his own actions. That’s Peter Parker. He’s always shifting that accountability. Rather than dealing with the real issues, he turns on the police scanner – because he’d rather go on a night of ego boosting crime bashing. It’s his drug of choice. His magnificent obsession. And Raimi again nails it. Peter Parker is an immature super-powered dork with major bi-polar issues. But that’s why we love the guy. Now – where do I have my problems with this movie? Probably, if you sat Raimi down and hooked him up to Wonder Woman’s creator’s Lie Detector machine – the same problems Raimi might admit to. VENOM… and everything related to him. Raimi is a Silver Age Spider-Man fan… like me. He’s a Steve Ditko and John Romita Spidey fan. Raimi has admitted to not liking the character of Venom – and frankly I agree. VENOM is, and has always been, retarded. The character is a cool design. That’s it. Eddie Brock is a whiney useless non-character. If you get the ART OF SPIDER-MAN 3 book, you can see an original design that shows that Raimi’s initial direction on SPIDER-MAN 3 was to bring in THE VULTURE. The Vulture and Sandman were going to escape Prison together. Now, I have no proof of what I’m about to say, but I’m betting I’m right in my theory. I’ve had extensive conversations with Joel Schumacher about what was going on behind the scenes on BATMAN & ROBIN. Joel accepts responsibility for what happened on that unmitigated load of worm-infested feces, but he’s not the only person responsible. On a film of that scale, of that much importance to the studio making it – and to so many merchandizing and financial partners – you end up with a lot of notes. And of course there is also all of us fans and back seat drivers. I’ve never really wanted to see VENOM on screen, but I do know that there’s a ton of Venom-supporters out there. And they’re right in their fandom to want to see Venom on the screen. They love the art of Venom as well as the character, which I’m not really sure is really a character. I’ve just never really bought the character. But VENOM’s popularity is unmistakable. It is an iconic and vastly popular character. Everyone knows this. You know it. Marvel knows it. The toymakers know it. Sony knows it. The Video Game makers know it. But there’s a problem. Sam Raimi doesn’t get or like the character, and in the film it shows. He doesn’t get the Black Suit Saga. He doesn’t get why a goofy, muscle-beach, spandexy, CRITTERS-mouthed tongue-wagging and drooling slobbering character that talks in wavy speak… why is he cool? I can’t answer that, because I don’t get the character either. I’m sure those of you who are fans love the character, I’m really not trying to be-little Venom, I just don’t get it. You do. But that’s exactly why someone, that loves the Venom character – and could enthusiastically create that character should have directed a SPIDER-MAN vs VENOM movie… the character should never have been placed into Raimi’s SPIDER-MAN series. Venom is a totally different series. What Raimi has been making is a Silver-Age SPIDEY… a Steve Ditko Dorky Spidey… and That Version of the character, should never have been involved in the retarded black suit saga – and the Venom stuff. That said – As a non-Venom fan, Raimi perfectly illustrated how stupid Venom is to us people that don’t like Venom. Another thing that I bet is a STUDIO-note that makes the film slightly ridiculous is all the Mask taking off. I know this wasn’t a Raimi decision, cuz he knows that Spidey is always cooler with the Mask on, but I suppose folks in the executive suites feel people won’t believe it’s Tobey as Spider-man unless he shows his face. Or that Topher Grace is really Venom unless he “de-cloaks” a bit. Now that I’ve answered some of the criticisms of the film – and why these faults are not as deadly to me, as they seem to some of you – let’s talk about what works. I love Tobey Maguire as SPIDER-MAN and PETER PARKER. He handles the character with the “gosh” “wowzers” sort of glee that he should as SPIDER-MAN – In my opinion, they’ve never done near enough of the Spidey-esque Errol Flynn-y dialogue where he taunts his adversary – the lingo that Stan Lee gave Web-head that made him so indelible in my memory. BUT – he’s always done very well with the character. James Franco as Harry / Goblin Jr. In this third film, his character finally works. His interaction with Tobey, after the concussion is perfect. And Tobey’s relief at having his friend back, Kirsten’s liking of him… and his own sense of recovery is wonderful. The all-knowing butler is a bit 1930’s 40’s Poverty Row style character work, but because of that… I dig it. It is just something you don’t see today in film much, but it’s something I love about those old creaky films, and it was so wonderfully distracting in this gargantuan production. I love Gwen Stacy, just because, well… she’s Gwen Stacy… and if this series continues… and Raimi continues, which I hope he will… I’d love for him to kill off Mary Jane and let Parker make wild sex with the Gwen Stacy before killing her tragically and he ends up with the Russian girl that makes with the cookies and cake. As usual, the Raimi regs like Bruce and Sam’s brother Ted are great. I actually feel, each of them have their very best scenes of the series in this one. Ted and Bruce made me cackle in the theater. J.K. Simmons, James Cromwell, Rosemary Harris, Dylan Baker, Bill Nunn and Cliff Robertson are all dead on perfect as the expanded characters in Parker’s life. It’s such a great character base to put Maguire and the others in. However, the best work of the film goes to Thomas Haden Church. SANDMAN has always been one of my favorite characters – and while I would have loved the taunting, laughing, maniacally evil version… what Raimi created with Church is a real career criminal. A guy in a fucked situation that can only think of one quick way out of it, and he’s just damn unlucky. The animation and effects work were perfect. In the end assessment, I had fun with the movie. It isn’t better than SPIDER-MAN 2, but in many ways I do prefer it to the first SPIDER-MAN… mainly because, I never really liked the Goblin’s design, though I loved William Dafoe. Sony probably won’t learn any lessons on this film, simply because of the money it is raking in, but I hope – if the series continues in Raimi’s hands, that they just let Raimi handle it. Trust his instincts completely when it comes to the villains he wants to play with, because if you just let him turn Dylan into the LIZARD… and have Kraven come to New York as a showman that’s going to capture SPIDER-MAN – we’ll have an amazing film. I agree absolutely with Ambush Bug on that.

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  • May 9, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    BUT WHERE ARE THE CHEST-BUMPING FAT KIDS???

    by filmicdrummer17

    That's the only thing that would make me want to see SP3 at this point.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Second

    by Lando Griffin

    Finally

  • May 9, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    What a worthless review...

    by Forestal

    Harry loved the film. What a surprise.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    HARRY GOTTA EAT OUT HIS IMAGINARY WIFE!!!

    by Err

    haha

  • May 9, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Little pissed at the females these days, Harry?

    by Heckles

    Solid review though. I felt the same way. What about the length show? Could have shaved at least 20 minutes.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Way off on Raimi showing Peter's face

    by jimmy_009

    I saw him in an interview talking about how he always rips the mask or has him fight without it because it makes the audience's connection with the Parker more palpable, and you can see his expressions more. Not a studio thing, a Raimi thing.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    THIS YEAR'S LITTLE MISS FANTASTIC FOUR REVIEW!!!

    by Err

    You suck Harry.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Yeah, we all loved Thomas Hayden Church as the Sandman

    by Canada's King

    It's just too damn bad (hell, too damn sad) that Raimi opted to leave him underdeveloped. I know the film was packed to the gills, but Sandman was supposed to be an ANCHOR of this film. Without his arc firmly locked into the structure, the entire thing falls apart.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Venom instead of Vulture for a simple reason...

    by JunoFallon

    Because nobody gives a RATS ASS about The Vulture. He's a lamer. Only slightly less interesting than Sandman, who was wasted in this film. I have a large tolerance for flawed film, but come on Harry, your making excuses for the films short comings by essentialy saying "it's supposed to be cheesy". Most of the complaints I have with this film are things that irritate me because they were done in the last one, only they were done WELL. I don't think the movie was horrible, but it wasn't very good either. I have no urge to see it a second time and though I'm sure I'll buy it on DVD, I'll probably only do so for collectors purposes. *sigh*

  • May 9, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    wtf

    by gob_bluth

    this review blew moriary nailed it

  • May 9, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    wtf

    by gob_bluth

    this review blew moriarty nailed it

  • May 9, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Why read this

    by IGoToCollege

    when Bruce Willis is responding to us in one of the TBs? http://tinyurl.com/33feyo

  • May 9, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Harry c'mon ... give us a BREAK!

    by derousse bag

    This wasn't really a review at all. And what you mentioned about the film was way off base. Stop pandering to your Hollywood friends, man! Here's a review: http://therecshow.com/2007/05/04/spiderman-3-a-review/

  • May 9, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Raimi didn't screw Venom and Sandman. Avi Arad did.

    by Err

    Sam developed a script with Harry/New Goblin and Sandman. Avi Arad wanted Venom.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    better at relationship advice-

    by gunslinger7000

    she handed me the phone, cuz I’m better at relationship advice than she is, at least she thinks so...yeah, referring to women as "cunt" is the basis of any solid relationship.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Jebus

    by FarSky

    Remember kids, only negative reviews are worthwhile! People aren't allowed to like movies! That's not what the internet is about at all!

  • May 9, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    In responese to Err's post...

    by JunoFallon

    That's because Avi Arad knows that most Spiderman fans LOVE Venom. If they had left it at Venom and Harry Goblin I think it would have been a much better movie. It was too busy and poorly cobbled together.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    The problem is...

    by Err

    Just because most Spider-Man fans love Venom doesn't mean that if the current script has Harry and Sandman that you force Venom in there. Because Venom was forced in, we all got an underdeveloped version of Venom.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Harry sets the bar so low, Raimi could trip over it:

    by newc0253

    Harry "had a blast with the film"? He likes it better than the first Spiderman film? really? i mean, no really? So what exactly did Raimi have to do to make a mediocre Spiderman film? Because that's what this was. It wasn't terrible or even bad, and it had many great moments, but - sweet Jesus - it's a mess, especially in the second half. If Raimi doesn't get Venom - and i agree he plainly doesn't - then ultimately he shoulders the blame for putting him in the movie and then criminally underusing him. The same with Sandman - a great character but ultimately less substantial than kitty litter. And I could admire the development of Harry's character more if his story arc weren't strung together by the most ludicrous fucking plot devices: amnesia? a fiendishly diabolical plot that involved engineering a breakup? a butler that's a forensic expert on sword wounds? Seems like Harry has some pathological need seek out the silver lining in these things? Yes, the film wasn't an outright disaster. Yes, it had many enjoyable moments. But when Sam Raimi spends $250M to make a film, you expect him to deliver slightly more than a glass half empty/half full...

  • May 9, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Amotherfuckingmen

    by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    I couldn't agree more on just about every point Harry made here, all the backlash is a little crazy and unwarranted, it's a good movie, maybe it didn't raise the bar that the second one set, but it worked, and all the stupid shit peter does IS Peter. Now, aside from that something is really pissing me of. Kirsten Dunst aid in an interview somewhere, I can't fucking remeber where I read it, "I hope they don't" (talking about continuing the series without the same cast and director, "it just wouldn't be a Spiderman movie without Sam, Tobey, or me." WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!!!!!!?!?!?!? She fucking was acceptable in the first, annoying in the second, and fucking brought the third down hard. Everytime she was on screen, whether warbling a song, or not answering a phone, or just flashing that anorexic crooked toothed smile, the movie just stopped dead in it's tracks. Couldn't this bitch at least buy a fucking brush for Christ's sakes to brush that ratty ass greasy mop on top of her head? DAMN, the fucking unmitigated audacity to think she's a major factor in what made this series work, how fucking conceited. Sam Raimi and Stan Lee are the top dogs here, Tobey and the rest of the cast, along with good actors to play the villians helped a little too. I understand they needed a Mary Jane, but she was an awaful choice from the get-go. Not sexy, and a bore. What the fuck. Sorry everybody, had to let it out

  • May 9, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Harry, Right On Brother!!

    by Redbox

    Harry, I'm 34 and I'm Spidey's personal best friend (as far as I knew) since I was five. I couldn't agree more with your review and I really thank you for it. I think it cuts clean thru to the real fans of Gwen, Capt Stacy, Robbie Robertson and 60-70's webheaded chronicles. Leave another cast and Director to do Carnage, Ben Reilly and the rest of that sub par 90's crap that made me quit the book for ten years. And Sam, bring in Rocket Racer or Mysterio as a cameo bad guy just for giggles. Actually, a recurring joke should have been in the last three movies: The Shocker getting his ass handed to him!

  • May 9, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    I haven;t seen this yet, but

    by jmyoung666

    what I am afraid of is the inclusion of too many characters. I originally thought Venom (who I neither hate nor love, but am somewhat indifferent to) was going to be introduced toward the end as a lead in to IV. Apparently not. When the director has to deal with three villains in one movie, I see the storyline suffering ala Batman, (although even the first Batman was somewhat superficial).

  • May 9, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Err...

    by JunoFallon

    Yeah, sadly. I don't disagree that the manner in which they kind of just threw him in there wasn't a stupid idea. Twas indeed. I just think that they had an opportunity to make him a really memorable villain. Same goes with Harry Goblin. They built him up in the second and beginning of the third movie and then I felt like they just let the air out of his tires. Sad.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    sandman worked like your diet plan

    by believe_it

    how to review a bad movie like harry knowles -- first, make up a premise: i don't get venom. second, pre-suppose the director's quandry: raimi doesn't get venom. third: apologize for director being forced by studio to make bad decisions. fourth: gloss over all plot-holes, dance routines, singing, ALL THAT JAZZ, and general minutia that sucked the life out of the audience. fifth: tell us sandman worked because you like sandman as a character. sixth: continue to excuse all the plot-holes in the film but have the tact to end a "review" on a super stupid point - spiderman 1 was bad because the reviewer hated the goblin's design. seventh: eat your twenty-sixth bear claw, comfort yourself that your the pop-cultural zeitgeist. dick.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Haryy, Harry, Harry

    by SelfSentered

    That passage about Mary Jane was the most offensive, misogynistic, fucking thing you've ever written on this sell-out of a site. A woman who is upset that she loses her job and that her boyfriend kisses another woman in front of an entire city? What a bitch, huh? Asshole.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    in the movies parker isn't a dork, he's a dick

    by jccalhoun

    While Peter Parker may be a dork in the comics, in the movies he is consistently a dick. A dick to uncle ben. A dick to the Osborns. A dick to Aunt May. A dick to his professors. A dick to Mary Jane. Each movie has the same plot:Parker acts like a selfish dick and then in the last 20 minutes he "learns his lesson" only to forget it before the next movie. <br><br>Peter Parker isn't a dork. He's a dick.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Juno...

    by Err

    I agree. If they took Sandman out entirely and redid the script with Venom and Harry Goblin and actually had Harry don the Goblin suit of his father, it would have been much better.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    newc0253 couldn't have said it any better!!!

    by JunoFallon

    His words pretty much sum up my feelings exactly.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Well said big man

    by heavenlykid

    Though I don't agree with all your points (I agree Venom was lame at the end, but Topher's Eddie Brock rocked in my opinion, also Mary Jane loves Peter, Nyah!) I'm glad that someone came out and said that, just because it's not perfect, don't mean it sucks. Raimi set the bar pretty hi with Spidy 2. We can't expect an effortless home run every time.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    sorry but that wasnt a review...

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    that was just you digging (kinda deep)for things to say that you liked about this movie. truth is its time for this movie to go to another director's hands...

  • May 9, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Glad we agree...

    by JunoFallon

    lol I would have liked to have seen them redo the Goblin suit to something a lil less Power Ranger, but outside of that I pretty much agree with you.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Harry makes some good points

    by Rupee88

    I was ready to bash his review, partly for being so late, but he did say some intelligent things. Venom is stupid, Spidey should keep his mask on, and Mary Jane is a cunt...gotta agree with all of those. And I agree that it is the suits calling the shots, not Raimi at this point. He is accepting a fat paycheck to do damage control on a Spidey film...there are worse ways to sell your soul.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Harry, you gave Batman & Robin a GOOD REVIEW!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Regardless, I feel that your Spiderman 3 review is fair. I must admit that I was quite disappointed with Spidey 3. I agree that Kraven was a much better choice for villain. Let's cross our fingers for Spider 4!

  • May 9, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    PREADATOR QUOTES

    by GopherTrace

    Enough about joel schumacher worthy spiderman 3... COMMENCE WITH THE PREADATOR QUOTES! "Watsa matta, Dillon? CIA got you pushing too many pencils?"

  • May 9, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    "retarded black suit saga"

    by RaveX

    ... <p> dude... I'm the kind of person that actually likes clone saga. <p> so it goes without saying that I FRAKKIN' LOVE BLACK SUIT -> VENOM stuff. <p> I get it that everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but calling a story arc with that many fans "retarded" is basically an insult. <p> unless, of course, you ment that way that black suit staff was handled in SM3 was retarded. In that case I absolutely agree.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    This review...

    by Veni Vidi Vici

    which most people waited for, was exactly what people knew it would be. sad thing is, studios, see this as a success and will continue to churn out more lack luster comic book movies. Batman is our last hope.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    It took me a while...

    by photoboy

    ... but I do really like Spidey 3 now. I do think they could have done a better job with Venom, and I'd have been happy not to have had him in the film at all, but overall I do like the film. It's not quite as great as Spidey 2, which had wonderful scenes like the launderette where the symbolism of the Spidey suit colours bleeding into all of Peter's other clothes is so poignant.<br><br> I'm hoping for a Spider-Man 3.1 DVD with some more scenes to flesh out Venom and Sandman and perhaps get rid of Bernard the Butler's inexplicable bit of exposition to Harry. It would be better for Harry to just tell Peter he won't help him fight and then have him appear to save the day Han Solo-style. And maybe trim the Peter/MJ stuff a little so it doesn't run on for so long, especially all the scenes of Peter leaving messages on answering machines.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    PREADATOR QUOTES

    by GopherTrace

    Enough about joel schumacher worthy spiderman 3... COMMENCE WITH THE PREADATOR QUOTES! "Watsa matta, Dillon? CIA got you pushing too many pencils?"

  • May 9, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Random blather

    by Cory849

    I liked this movie, even with all its faults - and it had many. But that is probably because I went in with lowered expectations from all the bad reviews. Ultimately, This movie could have been perfect if they had cut out sandman and just did Venom. But what happened? A big studio vs. director fight happened. Director didnt want venom. The studio insisted. So instead we got a poorly constructed venom arc. Its too bad. And Harry - I'm sorry - but if you don't understand how venom could be popular, you are, honestly, a fucking idiot. Yin vs. Yang, Evil Twins, ultimate match ups, are all part of these kind of stories since time immemorial. Venom feeds that. He is a perfect nemesis. Plus he doesnt set off Spideys Spider-sense. This movie was bad because of Sam Raimi BUT! there IS a way to enjoy it. Just remember that this movie is ONLY ONLY ONLY about wrapping up the Goblin trilogy saga. The villains are incidental. Thats why they are underdeveloped - because they are only incidental. If you go in remembering that - and remembering that there are two villains so that the Goblin and Spidey need to team up, THEN and only then can you understand and enjoy this movie. 'Nuff said. But that wont affect the opening gross of this film. It will effect the opening gross of 4. EVERYONE went to this film - but a lot of people wont go twice - and a lot will give a pass on the next one. THAT will be the price they pay for the clumsy execution in this movie.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    TOO SOON

    by Mr_X

    <p>of course you're entitled to your point of view, but im with Quint and virtually all of the other AICN staffers, it could have and should have been so much more. quite frankly venom wasn't in it alot</p> <p>Studio interference is one thing, but someone has to carry the can, ultimately a ship can only have 1 captain, if decison aren't yours and you're responsible for the outcome, you man up, tell everyone to get with the program or go elsewhere</p> <p> there are specific problems with this movie, well documented on the site with comments, not your usual fanboy rheroric " this sucks", "DAMM YOU MICHEAL BAY" but real tangiable issues which completely through a lot of people out of the movie,</p> <p> i agree with you on one thing though, sony wont learn any lessons from it</p>

  • May 9, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Oh it sucked but yeah...

    by Keo

    I had a blast with it. Nice one, Harry.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Harry...ARE YOU BLIND?!

    by shinigami319

    Spider-Man three was one of the worst films I ever saw. You know that kid in high school who thinks to himself, 'I'm going to make a movie and it's going to have drama, action, suspense, horror, romance, aliens, comedy and political intrigue!' You know that kid? That's the person who made Spider-Man 3. A dim-witted unfocused deuchebag. A DANCE NUMBER?! ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?! The movie never takes itself seriously! Why should I, or rather how can I buy into it? The first two films at least were able to balance the camp and the drama and get to business. THIS MOVIE HIT THE GROUND WALKING! I would have had more fun watching Catwoman on shrooms! Tobey Maguire can't play a badass. He cannot. It was laughable. HINT! IT's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY! The Whole Movie was a big joke. When Spiderman says "Good Riddance," to Sandman as he's bein washed away...I LAUGHED AND CRINGED. DON'T BELIEVE YOU TOBEY! I'm an actor and almost none of them were invested. Mary Jane SINGING?! She's not a singer! She's a model and a freaking actress. Peter kissing Gwen Stacy? Completely out of character! Why was she in the movie? She served no purpose! None! She was fodder! Barely eye candy! WHEN VENOM CONVINCES SANDMAN TO HELP HIM KILL SPIDERMAN?! WHAT?! So you have Sandman...who didn't mean to kill Uncle Ben but is completely willing to kill Spiderman because he's getting in the way? WHY IS HE IN AN ALLEY WHEN HE SHOULD BE TRYING TO ROB ANOTHER BANK?! MAKES NO SENSE HARRY! IF THE TRANSFORMATION FROM HUMAN TO SANMAN HASD AFFECTED HIS BRAIN SHOULDN"T WE BE INFORMED OF THAT?! AND BROCK! WHY ARE YOU SOOOOOOOOOO RELAXED! Venom it a freaking nutjob! Loco! Crazy! But hey, he's just Eric Foreman in aa costume, Red will come straighten Parker out. Aside from Silent Hill, The Break Up and X-Men 3, Spider-Man 3 is the worst movie i have seen in the theaters in the past year. If anyone comes back to do these movies, I will not see it. A complete disgrace! YOu don't know what Spider-Man is all about. Sam Raimi go do something cheesy, you're good at that. Tobey Maguire...get a personality. Kirsten Dundst...STOP ACTING!

  • May 9, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    the neighbor is too

    by huggerorange

    the neighbor is too hot...peter is a dork for not going for that euro-hottie..she even cooks for you what more do u need?

  • May 9, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    sell out

    by dino_hardbody

    SM3 sucked, plain and simple. A few decent scenes but as a MOVIE it sucked. I love Spidey. I though it would be the most amazing movie ever. really. I wanted to love it. After SM2, how could Raimi fuck up? Quite frankley I don't care why he fucked up. All I know is it was one of the dullist, most incoherent movies ever. MJ was a fucking harpie, Aunt May just made vomit-inducing morality speechs, and the Harry, MJ, Peter love triangle made no fucking sense! Oy. Oh, and Goblin Jr. Worst constume ever. I know they didn't want him to wear tight but why the fucking vagina mask? They had the freedom oto design ANY costume they wanted. ANYTHING! I mean, who really cares about Hob Goblins costume, right? But noooooo, they had to give him a full out vagina mask, which he kept taking off so we would all know who it is, even though the masks only function was to protect his identity, as it evidently had zero protection functionality. Oh. And the CGI sucked. man, I could do this all day! Shitty fucking kiss ass review harry.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Great review Harry...Dark Dork Peter kicks ass

    by Tarl_Cabot

    But They shoulda put the Scorpion in place of Venom, not the old and weak ass Vulture.

  • May 9, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    RaveX

    by Rupee88

    The black suit saga was retarded...it was one of the first "gimmicks" to sell comics. Spider-Man has the best costume of any superhero and they changed it just to cause some "controversy" and sell books. It is stupid and Venom is a character for 11 year olds.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    yeah yeah yeah, the fact still remains

    by Charlie Murphy

    that the movie sucked. oh, raimi got studio notes and he sacrificed quality? that's all fine and good. but the movie still sucks. i will not give the movie mercy points because raimi wanted it to be something else. i don't give a shit. it is what it is. and it sucks.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    MJ

    by SelfSentered

    I'd like to ask all of you basement-dwelling, terminally adolescent talkbackers and your rotund leader to riddle me this: what makes MJ a "cunt." She tries to tell her problems to her boyfriend, but all he can talk about is himself. He kisses another woman in front of an entire city, a woman he KNOWS, a woman he ASKS to kiss him, and she gets upset. When they break up (lame plot point aside), he takes another girl to her place of work to show her off, then HE FUCKING HITS HER. Yeah. She's a real cunt. How dare she get upset. I'm sorry about all your penises. I really am. Maybe you can look into some enhancement surgery or something.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    yeah yeah yeah, the fact still remains

    by Charlie Murphy

    that the movie sucked. oh, raimi got studio notes and he sacrificed quality? that's all fine and good. but the movie still sucks. i will not give the movie mercy points because raimi wanted it to be something else. i don't give a shit. it is what it is. and it sucks.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I'd rather read your thoughts of 10 days before

    by Vicenzo

    When you said yourself that Spiderman 3 is flawed. That's all that everyone is saying, so there's no need for a hypocritical reaction to a backlash that's totally justified. When a director has 250.000.000 to play with the result better be something pretty fucking spectacular.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    i had forgotten about Kraven

    by huggerorange

    i had forgotten about Kraven the hunter.. him and the lizard would be a bad ass spidey movie. why wont they ever listen to aicn?, lame suits

  • May 9, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    GO GET THEM HARRY!

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    Fuck plot, structure, lazy dialogue, chacter develolment coincidence, tone shifts, thrown together ednings. I really like the flick too! It's almost as good as terminator 3 or never Ending Story 2...almost

  • May 9, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    We know when you lie man

    by FRESHEST GUY IN PARIS

    All of you know when Harry loved or hated a movie. Man when he loves something his writing get so prolific. And here, nothing 200 words on the fact that peter is a dork, the rest is some excuse for Raimi about the badly hadled Venom character. And after that one line for the all suuporting cast. One line for this one word for that. Common harry are that fucking scared you're not able to say what you think anymore. Reading your reviews, I flet going to talk to the diector of the worst movie right after the screening. Personnally I am not crazy about spiderman. And you what it is ok. What's the use for you to have an independent website and not be able to say the thruth. Is it because you have spam commercial for spidey 3 collectibles? You kinda lost your balls man. And I am kind sad for you. Get it back man, we are not here to hear about Yoko ( no one gives a fuck about your sex life beginning at last at 35 years old ) We are here because when you speak from your heart, you get brilliant. Get your balls back man, you are fooling anyone

  • May 9, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Harry, Spot on, except The Dark Dork part

    by modlight

    I had no trouble with him being a lameo dick when he was being affected by the symbyote, but they really drilled it into the ground, especially with the "uh oh, his fall out boy bangs are down" That haircut will forever date this movie.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    I'm glad Harry agrees with me!!

    by nathan0774

    I agree with Harry. Seems the critics are all saying the same thing. "It's packed with too much stuff!! Too many villians!! Too many themes!!" I just got back from watching it and almost blown away. I would have been blown if that kid would stopped screaming and the manager didn't stop the movie right at the moment Venom introduces himself to kick some punks out for bringing a laser pointer. However I have attempted to block those instances from my mind and would like to say that I think I would have been blown away if my overall experience was better. The movie is awesome. Personally I didn't feel Sam really tried to sneak in a musical number just to weird himself. It's a statement that fits the movie. If you watch all the peoples reaction to him the first time he walks down the street, Peter starts to notice that chicks are checkin' him out. The second time he walk down the street being all cocky and pointing his fingers at people like a cheese-head, peoples reaction to him is with one eyebrow raised as if to say, "What's this dork doing?? What a weirdo!" And when he enters the bar and starts to dance, peoples reaction is the same. It's actually a reaistc reaction that you and I would have if we were just hanging out in a bar and somebody starts acting the way he is acting. "There's something wrong with him!" It was wrong to compare this scene to The Mask, as was done in one of your reviews. In The Mask, nobody thought it was strange that all The Mask was singing and dancing. In Spider-man 3, your watching Peter descend into a something... a state of mind... going crazy. As far as the notion of too many villians... Sam gets through their story lines pretty quick and is careful to not have too much going on at one time. I did not find myself confused in anyway! There was a natural progression from one to the next. There was not too much to digest. The film stayed the course and was deep and thoughtful and thought provoking while at the same time being silly and entertaining and "comic bookish". All of the Spiderman movies have this quality to them. Not too adult like the first Superman. (Which is still my favorite movie of all time, by the way) Spider-man is targeting comic book fans and teenagers, but also taking the time to make a good quality movie with issues and statements and well rounded thoughts. My only complaint about the movie was during the final fight when JJ bargains with kid for a camera. That scene completely stops the action for about a whole minute. If they wanted to show that JJ was in the crowd, they should stopped with him looking around calling Peter's name out and cut the little kid with the camera out. But I think that alot of people reviews and critizism comes from a mindset of "What I do if I was the director?" I don't think I could make a better a movie. I thought it was outstanding! In fact... well I was gonna say it was better than the first one, but you know what??... They are all the same. They are all excellent superhero movies. In fact... it is the best series of superhero movies. (None of the Spider-man movies rank as the single best superhero movie though, cause that still goes to Superman: The Movie.) But it is the best series! Anyway... thats my thoughts! Spiderman 3 is great fun! I encourage all to go in with the intention of just going to the movies and having fun. Leave your critical eye at home.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Interesting take, but the movie is still a bloated mess

    by a goonie

    I certainly didn't hate Spidey 3, but I had enough problems with the movie that my review is ultimately a negative one. I respect where you're coming from, Harry, and your passionate explanation about how "dorky" Peter is is really interesting. But I have to disagree about the performances by Church and Franco. One of my biggest problems with the movie is that there are three villains who all suffer from shallow storylines and not enough screentime. As an extension of that, I didn't care one bit for any of the villain performances. I actually liked Franco in the previous two flicks, but here he was unconvincing and needlessly over-the-top. Grace barely did anything at all. And Church just spent his time in front of the camera looking uncomfortable.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Return of the Godzilla Review

    by OGREISHERE

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think this movie deserves every piece of shit thrown at it.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by Rupee88

    So it "sucked" but you are still going to find the DVD? Way to ensure that more sucky movies will be made in the future.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by Rupee88

    So it "sucked" but you are still going to buy the DVD? Way to ensure that more sucky movies will be made in the future.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Hurray!

    by kikuchiyoboy

    I thought the other reviews were good too even though they were mainly negatives. I really dug the film. It felt emotionally right. But whatevs.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    SP3 villains

    by Veni Vidi Vici

    Sandman and Harry would have been enough for this movie. i have yet to meet a Venom fan that convinced me that he is a great villain. i'm glad he was brought in and quickly tossed aside. i'd rather see The Lizard, Kraven, Scorpion, Hobgoblin, and even the Vulture rather than any of the symbiote creations. I don't blame Raimi for making Venom the way he was, when you have no care for the character, that is how you will treat them.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Great review, Harry

    by The Grey Ghost

    You really knocked this "cunt" right out of the "cunting" ballpark, you big bag of "cunt" you. <br><br> Seriously, when are you going back on Ebert?

  • May 9, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I'm glad Harry agrees with me!!

    by nathan0774

    I agree with Harry. Seems the critics are all saying the same thing. "It's packed with too much stuff!! Too many villians!! Too many themes!!" I just got back from watching it and almost blown away. I would have been blown if that kid would stopped screaming and the manager didn't stop the movie right at the moment Venom introduces himself to kick some punks out for bringing a laser pointer. However I have attempted to block those instances from my mind and would like to say that I think I would have been blown away if my overall experience was better. The movie is awesome. Personally I didn't feel Sam really tried to sneak in a musical number just to weird himself. It's a statement that fits the movie. If you watch all the peoples reaction to him the first time he walks down the street, Peter starts to notice that chicks are checkin' him out. The second time he walk down the street being all cocky and pointing his fingers at people like a cheese-head, peoples reaction to him is with one eyebrow raised as if to say, "What's this dork doing?? What a weirdo!" And when he enters the bar and starts to dance, peoples reaction is the same. It's actually a reaistc reaction that you and I would have if we were just hanging out in a bar and somebody starts acting the way he is acting. "There's something wrong with him!" It was wrong to compare this scene to The Mask, as was done in one of your reviews. In The Mask, nobody thought it was strange that all The Mask was singing and dancing. In Spider-man 3, your watching Peter descend into a something... a state of mind... going crazy. As far as the notion of too many villians... Sam gets through their story lines pretty quick and is careful to not have too much going on at one time. I did not find myself confused in anyway! There was a natural progression from one to the next. There was not too much to digest. The film stayed the course and was deep and thoughtful and thought provoking while at the same time being silly and entertaining and "comic bookish". All of the Spiderman movies have this quality to them. Not too adult like the first Superman. (Which is still my favorite movie of all time, by the way) Spider-man is targeting comic book fans and teenagers, but also taking the time to make a good quality movie with issues and statements and well rounded thoughts. My only complaint about the movie was during the final fight when JJ bargains with kid for a camera. That scene completely stops the action for about a whole minute. If they wanted to show that JJ was in the crowd, they should stopped with him looking around calling Peter's name out and cut the little kid with the camera out. But I think that alot of people reviews and critizism comes from a mindset of "What I do if I was the director?" I don't think I could make a better a movie. I thought it was outstanding! In fact... well I was gonna say it was better than the first one, but you know what??... They are all the same. They are all excellent superhero movies. In fact... it is the best series of superhero movies. (None of the Spider-man movies rank as the single best superhero movie though, cause that still goes to Superman: The Movie.) But it is the best series! Anyway... thats my thoughts! Spiderman 3 is great fun! I encourage all to go in with the intention of just going to the movies and having fun. Leave your critical eye at home.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    PLANT!!

    by Wonderboys

    Once he saw the train wreck the movie is, Harry had too much time to meditate what to do... finally he choose to write a completely retarded studio kiss-assing no-review of the film and save faca. Nobody can believe you liked S3 more than S1... if you really do, maybe you shouldnt be running a movie site... Chicken!

  • May 9, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Just like with Superman Returns you're wrong!

    by Sir Penta jaye

    - Harry stop defending the comic twaddle of twenty years ago and start looking out for the movie going public of today. This movie stank! Parker was lamer than ever; The Goblin jnr wasn't fit to wear his dads underwear let alone his mask, and no one else was given the material or screen time to show us anything other than shonky 2-D representations. If Rami didn't want to make a Venom movie, then he shouldn't of. He could of happily laid the groundwork for someone else to do Spidey 4 "Spidey vs Venom". Instead he gave us this woeful effort tacking on the big black monster as an afterthought, which left me shaking with disbelief. This is strike two Harry, another one and you're out of here.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry ...

    by jae683

    but that whole Saturday Night Fever strut was pure stupidity. I mean, I was going along with the film up to that point, and then I turned to the person next to me and said "what the f--k is that?"

  • May 9, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I'm more fascinated by...

    by Tal111

    the guy who would be calling Harry for relationship advice. How sad is his life. No offense Harry but...DAMN!

  • May 9, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Oded Fehr was originally considered to be Kraven...

    by Err

    but got dropped for Venom and Sandman.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Rupee88

    by RaveX

    so, what makes black costume (and story arc it -pun intended- spawned)a "gimmick"? <p> due to being in diapers at the time secret wars saga happened, I'm not sure was it hyped in the media with the emphases on "OMG SPIDER-MAN GETS A NEW COSTUME BUY BUY BUY!!!!11one". If it was, so what? DC did the same thing with the Death of Superman, and I don't see anyone calling that arc "retarded". <p> And as for "venom being a character for 11 year olds", wtf? ok, so he's anti-peter, he may be designed to look appealing to kids, but when handled right he's a damn interesting villain (or anti-hero). When handled wrong, he's a joke. <p> But, then again, same goes for every other spidey villain...

  • May 9, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Venom is the only Spiderman character that people know

    by JackPumpkinhead

    No, really. The only Spiderman character other than Spiderman. I know something about Spiderman, my friends have varying knowledge of Spiderman, ranging from practically zero (most) to large (one) - and ALL of them recognize Venom. Not by name, but when all of them see "that black monster guy", they recognize that "yeah, that's from Spiderman, right?" Now, how many people with little knowledge of Spiderman will recognize some damn forgotten comic book character like Sandman? (Before the SM3 movie, that is...) Venom is THE top Spiderman character. He's Lex Luthor, he's Joker.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Harry, you're wrong - Raimi LOVES taking the mask off

    by amrisharmpit

    He has said this in countless interviews throughout the series. He feels he will lose the audience if they don't see a face. Did you know he wanted to change Spidey's mask to have the eyes showing? But he was talked out of it because the look of the character is so iconic.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by SelfSentered

    I respectfully disagree with you. As a DVD collector with a decent sized library (700+), I don't own X3, the Matrix sequels, Hannibal, either Schumacher Batmans, Ocean's 12, Star Trek 5, Once Upon a Time in Mexico, Superman 3 and 4, or Terminator 3. If the sequel sucks, don't buy it. That's where they make their real money. You're just encouraging them.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    It was good

    by ruiz2010

    I liked Spider man 3, it may not be as good as the first two, but it is fun. I think the main problem is we got so use to how good the movies had been, it's hard to accept this one. But it did deliver what I consider a satisfying experience. The one thing I noticed, is as a fan of DC and Marvel, this finally gives a chance for some of my fellow DC fans to rip in on Marvel and tout how now Batman is the best, I don't know how Spidey 3 being merely good does that, I have hope that Dark Night will be good, but considering how bad the series had gotten til they turned it around with BB, I will hold with Spidey still being overall the best superhero series.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    I'm tired of Spidey already...

    by wadi77

    Too late, I'm too lazy now to read. Bring on Jack Sparrow!!

  • May 9, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the site speed sucks...

    by Wonderboys

    Go buy some decent hosting space and hire a good web designer with the money Sony paid you for licking Raimi's buttocks... This is waaaay slower than usual

  • May 9, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    for Venom

    by huggerorange

    If Sam Raimi was forced into having venom in a spiderman movie, then why not do venom right?.. but why halfass it with these weak interpretations? Venom wasnt even half as cool as he could have been. If hes that disinteresting as a charater to the director, what ever happend to creative writing? Making a character more 3 dimensional? There were so many possiblities with venom in a movie , like beating the crap out of spiderman and peter parker for one and having him lose a little more than just his mask. Regardless if he was a flimsy character on paper, hes got more potential for being a menacing/evil villain than this cry baby Sandman business. At least they got Dr. Octopus right.. but im hoping theyll do the same for Venom one day.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Harry's Absolutely Right, You Fargin' Corksuckers

    by Read and Shut Up

    The amount of anti-Raimi anti-Spidey 3 griping is unbelieveable. Does the movie have problems? Sure - Raimi tried to put too much in the movie, but it's still a very well made and exciting. And Harry's right - Pete's a DORK, and "being cool" to him means acting like John Travolta in Sat Night Fever. MJ went so far as to call him a "geek" when Pete was explaining the science of sound acoustics. And Venom's role? Screw Venom up his boring, overinflated cornhole. Venom felt like a bone Raimi threw all the whiney-ass fan bitches who think Venom's some kind of "legendary" Spidey villain. All in all, Spidey 3's better than 1, not as good as 2 but still FAR better than most movies out there.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I largely laughed AT this film.

    by Womb2dooM

    And so did a good portion of the cinema. I think that is due to what baggage we brought in with us but, as a mainstream audience, that HAS to be expected. This movie was goofy and clumsy but also damned entertaining (I class laughing at as entertainment).

  • May 9, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Ive seen it twice now

    by sHapesHiftinLizard

    and still dig it, i know the first two flow better, but we finally got a Spidey all the way thru movie that finally delivered on the fights and finale(only 2 good fights in SM2, only ok scraps in SM1), Venom was used best at the end for max effect, i think he may have had a far less scary presence if he was in it all the way thru and the CGI face mightve started looking silly instead of creepy under closer scrutiny. Another blacksuit spidey sequence woulda been nice tho. i enjoyed the relationship stuff in SM3 too, something i was surprised at as these scenes can drag for me in the first 2,esp SM2.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    This years Little Miss Da Vinci Code

    by rhcp2sweet

    Harry, I know you're entitled to your opinion, and that's what you get paid for, but I disagree with you here. The movie was a big clusterfuck and no amount of studio notes will excuse the jazz dance scene or his emo hair cut. While every action scene was breathtaking, the film had way to many plot holes. Hopefully The Dark Knight makes up for this

  • May 9, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    rhcp2sweet...

    by Err

    nice one... LMDVC... That's actually pretty accurate. *thumbs up*

  • May 9, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    The Bottom Line...

    by MarkoOhNo

    The script was too heavy. Too much loaded into it. Too many execs trying to take control. It was too busy, too forced, and too rushed. Had it been spread out over two or maybe three movies, it would've been great. But instead it was only "okay"... which, to me, makes it a disappointment.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by Err

    Waaaaaaah!

  • May 9, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Sandman..cool to look at, but useless in this film!

    by jojo-pimp

    I mean really..i really felt as if he were just there to fill in a few action scenes before the final battle. His character was TOTALLY useless...so useless in fact, that peter didnt care that he left at the end of the movie.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Bizarre bit of studio ass-kissing

    by wadi77

    Yes, you have prove that you are with that review, Harry.<p> If Raimi doesn’t like Venom, that’s his problem, did he make the movie for himself?<p> If yes, quit directing it with the reason of “creative-differences”.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Harry, I'm getting exhausted

    by allyousay

    Of hearing everyone complain about how crappy the film was. True, it has its faults [moreso then the other films put together], but at the same time, it was still a great movie. I'm also getting tired of people complaining about the emo haircut and the jazz scene. The jazz scene was more about power and passion, then it was just being in there. You hit the nail on the head on your description, but I want to add just one thing: There was a reason for the emo haircut. While it should've been handled differently, there was a legitimate reason: The symbiote feeds off of emotion. I think the Sliver Age spidey would've been great for this one, but at the same time, it wouldn't have worked. Vulture and Sandman wouldn't have sold as much as the venom saga did. I'm with you though on The Lizard and Kraven. If they don't kill them off [which they shouldn't anyway with Dr. Conners and all] it leaves room for the Sinister Six, which would RULE!

  • May 9, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Top 9 reason that Spider-man 3 is a HORRIBLE movie

    by Platious.com

    9. A meteor unnoticeably falls 2 feet away from where Peter Parker and that tramp are making out and that's how the venom symbiote comes to Earth. 8. Mary Jane is mad at Peter Parker throughout the whole movie because: A: She lost her job B: She doesn't answer her phone when he calls C: She doesn't comb her hair D: She's an all around horrible ugly bitch 7. Sandman's daughter had cancer or something (she needs oxygen, that's all we really know) so he accidentally shoots Uncle Ben 5 years ago, got arrested for some other reason that is never said, confesses to Uncle Ben's murder while in prison for some reason, escapes prison somehow, still needs money for his daughters 'operation" falls into a "molecule sand experiment" that's being held in the middle of the night by some of the most inept scientists in the world, becomes a sandman but instead of sneaking into cracks and walls or something like that he turns himself into a giant sand monster and tries to break into armored trucks, then he wants to kill Spider-man because Venom told him he wants to, then asks Peter Parker's forgiveness and floats away. 6. Harry Osbourne hates Peter Parker until he gets amnesia (AMNESIA!!!!!) then he likes him again, then he makes omelettes with that whore Mary Jane and remembers that he hates Peter Parker, but then his butler tells him that his dad killed himself (about 4 years to late) so he likes Peter Parker again. Oh yeah and he's two-face. 5. This movie's idea of "Dark Spiderman" is Peter Parker sporting a 'Panic at the Disco' haircut, wearing a black jacket, hitting on girls, and dancing in a jazz club… cause he's evil now. 4. The following people cry: - Peter Parker (at least 3 times) - Mary Jane - Harry Osbourne - Eddie Brock - Aunt May 3. Peter Parker can take off the black spidey suit whenever he wants, unless he's in a church with Eddie Brock praying for his death beneath him, then he has to peel it off with the help of a bell. 2. Gwen Stacey serves no purpose other than to make that other whore jealous (she doesn't even die, and that's like what Gwen Stacey is supposed to do.) 1. Venom isn't even in the movie. An imposter that looks like Venom is in it, but he doesn't refer to himself as we, he doesn't become a vigilante crime fighter, when he talks Topher Grace's face appears with hillbilly teeth, and he vaporizes when hit with a pumpkin bomb. BOO!

  • May 9, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Typical.

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    There's a reason all the critics and people are hating on this film. There's a reason there have been so many negative reviews. There's a reason the major percentage of reviewers on THIS site didn't care for the film. There's a reason that Rotten Tomatoes has a 61% rating for this film, whereas the other Spider-man films are in the high 90's. The reason is NOT because people want to hate on Raimi, it's not because people want to hate just to hate... it's because this movie is just plain fucking lame. Blame who you want, Raimi, writers, the script, Avi, who cares.... the bottom line is that the final product is a convoluted mess. The boys in the talkback are absolutely right, everybody's got a right to their own opinion, but I sure as hell disagree with Knowles. This movie raped some of the best storylines of my childhood, and contrary to popular belief... I, as a fan, will NOT see this fucking thing again and I will NOT own this DVD. That's my two cents, now I'm off the soapbox. You guys take care.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Platious.com

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    Dude... you fucking rule.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    What about Gwen?

    by Samuel Vimes

    Gwen Stacy was the problematic character to me, seeing how she turned out to be the central point for the various plotlines in the film. Funny how she just happens to be: Peter Parker's lab partner in Connor's class... the daughter of the Police Captain who tells Aunt May and Peter that future-Sandman was the REAL killer of Uncle Ben... whom Spider-Man rescues, sparking MJ's jealousy... while being the stalking object for future-Venom! *** If anything, she's more 'shoehorned' into the film than the Avi Arad-decreed Venom ever was, and I think the stress marks of the character being used so are even MORE obvious.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Topher/Venom

    by MarkoOhNo

    Around the 20th time Venom's face melted away to reveal a savage Topher Grace, I felt like yelling, "OKAY! I get the point! I think we all know now that Venom is Eddie Brock! You mind keeping the mask on and fight so we can enjoy the movie?!" You'd think he made it a contract point that his character's face will not be covered for more than 10 seconds at a time.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    "William" Dafoe?

    by PirateEmery

    Ain't it Willem? ARE YOU SERIOUS, Harry? You misspelled Dafoe's NAME?<p>

  • May 9, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    worthless

    by christpunchers2007

    6/10 is the max this movie can really get, thats on a good day. harry's just saying "hey it aint so bad"... well is it harry? or is it that you cant admit theyve really screwed up on this one?

  • May 9, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Platious.com, you forgot one more reason...

    by RaveX

    what the hell were captain stacey and gwen doing at harry's funeral? did they ever met him??? <p> or maybe they hired james cromwell and bryce for 3 minutes of screen time, and they had cca. 10 seconds left. <p> on all other points as someone else already pointed out, you frakkin rule.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Symbiote + Peter Parker = Emo

    by Foucault

    Sadly, the movie sucks, and it's Sam Raimi's fault. Too much characters and too many subplots.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Review I agree the most with

    by Z 008

    this one, I'm with you 100% on all of that. But put Chameleon in Spidy 3 as well.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    the original script

    by christpunchers2007

    "If you get the ART OF SPIDER-MAN 3 book, you can see an original design that shows that Raimi’s initial direction on SPIDER-MAN 3 was to bring in THE VULTURE. The Vulture and Sandman were going to escape Prison together." heh too bad they chose to go with venom, a weak one dimensional character that was poorly fleshed out in this film and in order to do him you need to bring in the black suit, which cant wasnt done any justice in this film (ill give you rent when you fix this god damn door? wow peter isnt a retard anymore all of a sudden!)

  • May 9, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Mary Jane isn't in love Peter??

    by drewlicious

    That argument might make some kind of sense if you didn't see the first one. She said she loved him before she even suspected he was Spider-Man. The only valid point you can make is that she might love Spider-Man more, that she would get bored if he lost his powers. But that's probably not the case eitehr seeing how she resents his career as a super hero in part 3. And yes, the neighbor girl is clearly wild about Peter and maybe there is some dramtatic potential to mine from there in future installments. And for the love of God, stop using the C word so liberally. I've seen girls go rabid hearing this word and it degrades the language when you use the worst possible words too often. Some words serve certain purposes and overuse takes away their purpose and their meaning. So clean it up and speak like an adult for crying out loud.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    I wasn't a VENOM fan either, Harry, but Grace won this

    by Drath

    And frankly, thank you for your honesty about your bias. I am sorry you are so out of it with not giving proper credit to Topher Grace, as he and Church stole the movie together (well, not together, since they never had any scenes together but the one, and frankly Venom/Brock/Topher owned that because we were just seeing him complete for the first time). I wasn't a VENOM fan either, but I wasn't an anit-VENOM fan either, and what I saw was great until the very end. I think Raimi's only mistake was killing Brock. He didn't have to do that, and it was a mean spirited thing to do too. I can only hope they undo it in 4, but I don't like having to wait to see if they will.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    You guys don't get it

    by Vansmack13

    A film of this magnitude is made for one thing, to make money. This comes from the average film goer who knows little about the Spider-man comics. This is about 99.9% of the people who are going to see this film. Who do you think SONY whats to entertain more, the .1% of you who want to see it exactly like it was in the comics but who will see it anyway and still buy the DVD?? or the 99.9% of people who could give a rat's ass about what villian is in it as long as they look cool and the movie is action packed. More is better when it comes to dollars. I would bet a SONY executive is holding a meeting tomorrow about doing 4 with the "sinister six". If you think you pissed off now, wait for that piss poor character development. Sit back and enjoy the movies for what they are. If you want an artistic story pick up some old comic books, its not gonna happen on the big screen.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    I'm Over Here Now!

    by CyberVishnu

    "She’s just like that cunt Lois Lane, remember when Superman gave up his powers for that twit… what does Lois do, basically you can see her interest instantly wane. She’s a Superman groupie. She likes a flying fuck, and Mary Jane loves the upside down kiss." Why the fuck do you think you're all of the sudden Andrew Dice Clay!? You fuckin asshole of a human being what you are!

  • May 9, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    It Bothered Me, Originally

    by MarkoOhNo

    When Gwen didn't appear in the first film. That they took a blonde actress and made her into a redhead so they could replace Gwen in the storyline with MJ... only she survives the Goblin's attack. But I got over it. Then Spidey 3 comes along to reopen that old wound and pour a little salt & vinegar into it, adding Gwen halfassedly. And, as though to mock the first film, they take a redheaded actress and make her blonde! lol If only Dunst had played Gwen in the first movie and died.... Then they could've brought in Howard as MJ and all would've been fine with that little mess. *sigh* *grumbles*

  • May 9, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Best actor (tress) in the Spidey series is still...

    by Boneyard

    ...Elizabeth Banks. I was glad to see her get a tiny bit more to chew on this time around. I hope in the next trilogy of movies, she and Peter have their date (as in the comic) before Ned Leeds comes on board. OK, J.K. Simmons' J.J.Jameson is perfect also, but we already knew that.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    platious.com

    by christpunchers2007

    im just gonna copy and paste your shit just cuz its so fucking golden: "9. A meteor unnoticeably falls 2 feet away from where Peter Parker and that tramp are making out and that's how the venom symbiote comes to Earth. 8. Mary Jane is mad at Peter Parker throughout the whole movie because: A: She lost her job B: She doesn't answer her phone when he calls C: She doesn't comb her hair D: She's an all around horrible ugly bitch 7. Sandman's daughter had cancer or something (she needs oxygen, that's all we really know) so he accidentally shoots Uncle Ben 5 years ago, got arrested for some other reason that is never said, confesses to Uncle Ben's murder while in prison for some reason, escapes prison somehow, still needs money for his daughters 'operation" falls into a "molecule sand experiment" that's being held in the middle of the night by some of the most inept scientists in the world, becomes a sandman but instead of sneaking into cracks and walls or something like that he turns himself into a giant sand monster and tries to break into armored trucks, then he wants to kill Spider-man because Venom told him he wants to, then asks Peter Parker's forgiveness and floats away. 6. Harry Osbourne hates Peter Parker until he gets amnesia (AMNESIA!!!!!) then he likes him again, then he makes omelettes with that whore Mary Jane and remembers that he hates Peter Parker, but then his butler tells him that his dad killed himself (about 4 years to late) so he likes Peter Parker again. Oh yeah and he's two-face. 5. This movie's idea of "Dark Spiderman" is Peter Parker sporting a 'Panic at the Disco' haircut, wearing a black jacket, hitting on girls, and dancing in a jazz club… cause he's evil now. 4. The following people cry: - Peter Parker (at least 3 times) - Mary Jane - Harry Osbourne - Eddie Brock - Aunt May 3. Peter Parker can take off the black spidey suit whenever he wants, unless he's in a church with Eddie Brock praying for his death beneath him, then he has to peel it off with the help of a bell. 2. Gwen Stacey serves no purpose other than to make that other whore jealous (she doesn't even die, and that's like what Gwen Stacey is supposed to do.) 1. Venom isn't even in the movie. An imposter that looks like Venom is in it, but he doesn't refer to himself as we, he doesn't become a vigilante crime fighter, when he talks Topher Grace's face appears with hillbilly teeth, and he vaporizes when hit with a pumpkin bomb. BOO!"

  • May 9, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    On paper, Venom has

    by veritasses

    many of the qualities of a great villain. All the same powers only better, faster, stronger and evil. Knows everything Peter knows etc. It's always fun to see the protagonist fight the evil version of himself. But where they screwed up was they made Venom some sort of @ss crazy numb nut. The great villains are intellectual equals or better yet, superior. This makes the cat and mouse, highbrow chess game interesting and provides the fodder for great plot points. The physical superiority makes for good battles, but not necessarily good stories as you typically have to build situations to support character conflicts rather then have the characters determine the what, when and where. I haven't seen the movie yet but I think Venom generally tends to get an overly bad rap.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Harry's advice on relationships would be worth SHIT

    by Triumph poops!

    How a sentence like "This morning I got a call from a fella, actually Yoko did and she handed me the phone cuz I’m better at relationship advice than she is, at least she thinks so" even gets into a movie review would normally be stupifyingly head scratching -- that is until you realize it's a "Harry review" and you think back on such similar laughabilities like crying at ARMAGEDDON or thinking GODZILLA was a solid movie or vulgarly equating BLADE 2 to pussy eating. Not to mention as someone in the talkback noted, it's rather funny and ironic that NOW Harry will perpetually cite BATMAN & ROBIN as an example of a movie gone horribly astray, yet at the time he did give it a thumbs up review. So there's some nice history rewriting going on there as well.<p>All that aside, here's where Harry is showing he hasn't got a clue about real or onscreen relationships. He says (quote): "She’s just like that cunt Lois Lane, remember when Superman gave up his powers for that twit. What does Lois do, basically you can see her interest instantly wane. She’s a Superman groupie. She likes a flying fuck, and Mary Jane loves the upside down kiss. That’s all these women want."<p>Gee, that's interesting except that that WASN'T what happened. Let's run down it, shall we? When Superman gave up his powers, Lois was actually touched by the gesture. You SEE it on screen. At which point she doesn't say she's disappointed, she doesn't leave him -- no, instead she fucks the hell out of him. Then they leave the Fortress of Solitude and are all happy and making plans, at which point they run into the arrogant Trucker who beats up on Clark at the diner. So what does that "cunt" Lois do? She tries to stand up for her man and literally gets into the fight AND she tries comfort Clark when he's hurt. She says HE'S the person she loves and wants to be with. She's THERE for him. She says point blank that she justs wants to be with the man she fell in love with.<p>At which point its CLARK who says "I know you do, Lois. I just wish he was here." So it's CLARK who realizes that without his powers he's nothing. It's CLARK -- not the "cunt" -- who realizes that Superman is his real persona, that Superman is "who" he really is. In fact, another psychological way of looking at it would be to say that CLARK is so ego-centered and such an ego bastard (sort of the anti-cunt) that HE realizes that minus any powers...minus anything that puts the spotlight on him or makes him better or more powerful than anyone around him...he's nothing. At which point in the movie it's CLARK -- not the "cunt" -- who chooses to trudge back to the Fortess to get his powers back. It's all about HIM needing to be powerful, it's all about HIM deciding he needs to be "more." But its not like Lois was kicking his butt and saying "If you don't get back there and get back in costume, I'm not fucking you tonight." it's not about her being a cunt. Hell, it's not even about her having a "waning interest" as Harry puts it since there wasn't even any time passing in the movie for her to demonstrate a proven waning interest. So nice going, Harry - you clearly don't have a CLUE about the Supes/Lois relationship. Either that or you clearly didn't watch the second SUPERMAN film.<p>Truth be told, Gunslinger7000 said it best in his post above when he spot on said: "She handed me the phone cuz I’m better at relationship advice than she is, at least she thinks so" -- yeah, referring to women as "cunt" is the basis of any solid relationship."<p>I salute you, Gunslinger. You're totally right there!

  • May 9, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Once again harry talks straight out of his ass...

    by wolvenom

    Always with you poseur spiderman fans and your having to back up why you think peter parker/spiderman should be a certain way by listing off that you're either a silver age spiderman fan (the truest spiderman fan) or your opinions are worth shit on the character of spiderman/peter parker. The way he says it it comes off as 'well silver age spiderman is the only true spiderman and if you dont like it then you can suck my balls'... Its sort of like how harry liked 'superman returns' because it pays homage to donner's crapfest. Hey harry quit living in the past. Silverage spiderman was for the square 1950's kids of the suburbian nuclear families... today's generation can identify more closely with the character of venom cause of reminds us of themes of addiction, despair, evil, madness, extreme violence, vulgarity, mental disorders and all the things that make life so much more fun these days.... he's a sick twisted, fucked up character and you cant really say that about any of the silverage baddies. Turning peter so bad you want to turn away from the screen because he's pounding the shit out of some bully in the blacksuit is the kind of black suit spidey I wanted to see. An obsessive compulsive eddie brock/venom that talks to itself, spews saliva everywhere, and leaves wanton destruction everywhere is the kind of shit today's audience eats up... NOT FUCKING SOME OLD WHINEY LITTLE CRIPPLE CALLED VULTURE THAT WANTS TO STAY YOUNG... are you fucking kidding me thats the best you could come up with to team up with sandman? One of the worst fucking spiderman silverage characters. Right there I knew your weren't a real spiderman fan because you wouldn't fucking mention vulture as a viable option... I mean electro, and mysterio maybe... but vulture was a C class spidey villain... Harry saying he prefers the silverage spidey reminds me of those people you see at car shows that dont know shit about cars but pretend they do by saying they prefer the classics..... Venom is a great fucking character harry and I'm sorry you didn't read those comics.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Vansmack13

    by MarkoOhNo

    No, sir, YOU don't get it. The crowd I saw it with was not all geeks. The entire audience was crackin up laughing their asses off while I was trying to listen to the more dramatic scenes. MOVIEGOERS DON'T LOVE THIS MOVIE! I've only picked up a handful of Spidey comics in my day. The girl I went with has never read one in her life. We left with the same opinion: "Eh. It was alright." Does that sound like a blockbuster to you? Or are you in actuality a boneheaded Hollywood exec/dunce? Cause you sure freakin sound like one. Quit insulting people with your assumptions that the viewing public represents the lowest common denominator.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    WOW

    by THE KNIGHT

    ... bats are blind...

  • May 9, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    I see alot of people attacking the so called "haters"

    by slappy jones

    "you guys are haters" "you guys are just hating on raimi" I se a lot fo that but no one really going point by point through what the overwhelming majority of people think (that the film is a disappointment) and arguing it point by point because the film is a mess. a bloated sloppy badly paced mess.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Platious.com hit the nail on the head

    by Saracen

    I don't agree with him that the movie is horrible...just mediocre. But I think its mediocre for all the reasons he listed. Spot-on. <p> I just want to emphasize, the Jared Leto-haircut-Emo boy shit was fucking stupid. Completely unnecessary. I wanted to stab myself when he started dancing. I did like parts of it. Harry was great, Eddie Brock stole every scene. Seeing Venom, as short as it was, was great. The action scenes were fantastic. Though if I were Peter I would have dumped MJ's fug ass and had a threesome with Gwen Stacy and the cookie-baking girl. <p> As I said, mediocre, but not horrible. <p> Horrible would be that abominable piece of garbage known as X-Men: The Last Stand.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    PERFECT REVIEW

    by antonphd

    I like MJ, what can I say, I'm a dork too. Otherwise, I 100% agree with your review. Fuckheads can bitch and cry all they want about how disappointed they were with this movie, but back to the real world where real people makes movies... this was the best movie that could be made under these circumstances. It's not an apology to understand this... it's just simple the truth of the situation. Movies are made by people. $250,000,000 was well spent in effects, but in the end it's the characters and story that make the movie great... we all felt the lack in this episode... but fuck everyone who doesn't understand that $250,000,000 isn't close to enough money to pay for a good Venom vs Spiderman film. No amount of money is. If you just want to see $250,000,000 on screen, well guess what, you did, and it rocked. You want a great Spiderman story, well, watch 1 and 2 and 4+, cause 3 was never going to be a great story with such a... as Harry perfectly says... non character like Venom.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    wolvenom - as a MOVIE fan - the flick sucked!

    by Womb2dooM

    You keep taking geek shots like that and somebody may try to accuse you of living in your parents basement because that come-back has been issued twenty times already today... in this thread alone.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    David Hasselhoff Said It Best

    by MarkoOhNo

    "This is a mess...."

  • May 9, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    I agree and disagree with Harry.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    As I said as well. The film was fun. Was it great? Nope but it was a fun film to watch. I did not care for the end battle as I thought it sucked the life out of the movie. The best part of SP3 was the entire Harry/Peter story. The emotional fuck you between the both of them and MJ was great and really worked for me. <BR> <BR> Personally I would have been happy with that story line alone and just left Sandman and Venom out for this one. I won't lie though, I wanted Venom to be more then what he was. That's where I disagree with Harry. I've been reading Spiderman since I was a kid. So over 30 years. Without a doubt the black suit saga is a classic. It's not Silver-Age but it still works. I am sure with the success of 3 that we will see Venom again or Carnage in 4 with a more fleshed out story line, hopefully. <BR> <BR> Would I pay to see SP3 again? No, but I will buy the DVD and enjoy watching it again at home back to back with the 1st two.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Harry's right...

    by jabbathegriffin

    Though it pains me to say it. As much as I cringed during Emo Peter, I couldn't help but think in the back of my mind that this is how a nerd like him would try to come off cool. It was goofy, but it was honest. It's the same thing as Episode 3 with Vader's infamous "NOOOOO!". As goofy as THAT was, it was honest--because that's not super-cool Darth Vader under that suit, but whiny baby Anakin Skywalker. Same principle. Doesn't change my thoughts of the film, but I can't deny that it does make sense for the character.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Sandman less a 3dimensional than Venom

    by GuitarAtomik

    Sandman is just a criminal with powers in the comics. He's not memorable because he has some awesome depth to him, he just has a cool power that isn't copied by a shitload of other characters. So why is he any better than Venom? Well the first problem is that you only think of him as Venom when you should be thinking of him as Brock AND the Symbiote. The depth there come from teh fact that Brock hates Parker for all of the things he's inadvertantly done to him, and the symbiote hates Spider-Man for rejecting him. The 2 come together and it becomes a character who hates SPider-man/Parker with every fiber of it's being and ALSO knows everything about him. Now compare that to Sandman who technically is just a superpowred criminal who is out to steal money.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    I don't need to go through the movie point by point...

    by MetiphisLabs

    to attack the Raimi haters. I realize the film was far from perfect, but Raimi has an amazing track record at delivering the goods, and the fact that most people would unleash such fucking bile on him over this movie stuns me. Cut the man a fucking break you all watched Army of Darkness 500 times, at least if you had any taste you did.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    One scene

    by Ironmuskrat

    If I had to pick one part of the movie as an example of my disappointment in SM3 it would have to be the bridge scene. It only works if MJ doesn't know the Peter is Spiderman, but she does know. What possible threat could Harry make that would make her go along with his plan? Her boyfriend is freakin Spiderman! You know, that guy that has already saved her twice before from super powered villains! Perhaps if Harry's threat against MJ was compelling I would have gone along with it. However, Raimi doesn't even bother to let the audience in on the conversation that takes place. I mean this is the pivotal part of the movie, everything that happen in the last half of the movie is hinged on what happens here and it comes off a sloppy and contrived. Even if MJ is having trouble with Peter, would she really go along with Harry and hurt Peter like that or would she just whisper in his ear, "Harry has gone nuts, he is in the bushes over there, get him!"

  • May 9, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Brock Death?!?

    by robotdevil

    Why does everyone assume Brock is dead just because he disappeared during the explosion. Anyone who has read the comic has to know the symbiote has saved his ass dozens of times... it definitely could have shuffled him out the back during the explosion.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Green Goblin did not work at all!

    by Gay Jesus Christ

    How does a character, who's arc is that he is evil in the beginning of the movie, then gets amnesia and suddenly and inexplicably becomes good, then turns evil, then turns good again, then dies at the end of the movie work? what happened to sandman's daughter? why does the alien symbiote fall right next to peter in the beginning of the film but only decides to attach itself to him in the middle of the film after a full hour has passed? why did eddie brock go to the church at the same time as peter parker and look at him at the most convenient time? this was the Batman and Robin of the series.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    re: phaedrus007

    by Kraken

    Because you see his Skeleton explode and blow off into the wind? I don't think the symbiote is going to have much to work with there.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Jesus Harry.

    by White Goodman

    I'm sorry, man, but you're one delusional idiot. I can understand that different people like different things, but this movie sucked. I think the worst part of it (besides all the dancing and crying) was that it was boring until the final fight scene. I realize that since you're in the business, you have to suck up to these fuckers, but give us a break. Look up the words honesty or objectivity. I still really like this site, but I have to say that you are the weakest link out of all the people that write for here. Get a clue man.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Enjoyed The Movie

    by Mako

    Most people here spend more time hating anything that comes out... so it comes as no surprise to me that Spidey 3 is getting it's ass kicked here. But the people that come here are not the mainstream majority of the film going audience. The movie is doing quite well without the bitching and moaning, and most people are liking Spidey 3. I had fun with it. As much fun as the first two movies. I enjoyed Brock/Venom more than Sandman (although the EFX were good). Just thought the rivalery between Brock and Parker set up a better conflict in the end. Harry and Parker were the best parts of the movie. And although there were WAY TOO MANY contrivances... I didn't care!! Most people don't. They enjoy the movie for what it is. A fantastical film. You want realism? Go watch Erin Brockovich again.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Spiderman should have attempted to be raped by Venom

    by Doc_Strange

    Though it looks like his attempt succeeded a bit more than he bargained for by being pounded by Sandman with Venom along for encouragement. This movie was just OK, nothing more.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    harry must have seen it with an empty audience...

    by wolvenom

    the audience i saw it with mocked it repeatedly, walked out, and laughed so loud during the lame fucking scene where maryjane breaks up with peter under duress that i had to cover my ears.... its not just venom that pisses everyone off. Its emo peter, lame dorky scenes you'd only get in a fucking xena episode (ya raimi the retard directed some of those), incomprehensible plot devices (ie the butler, harry's stupid go after the heart by getting maryjane to dump peter bullshit, etc) poorly fleshed out villains (ie not just venom but fucking sandman was barely moulded into a believable character), same fucking shit we've seen in spidey 2 and 1 with maryjane having to be saved which would have been ok if they had done it somewhere cool like timesquare for fucks sake instead of a construction site, ignoring the comic books completely... even the little things he couldn't get right... Venom's first appearance to maryjane, curling his mouth slowly in the dark, she thinks its peter at first, but no its fucking venom is so much more fucking cool than eddie grabbing her in a fucking taxi cab....I MEAN COME ON!!! ITS EVEN THE SIMPLE FUCKING THINGS HE COULDN'T GET! It makes me wonder if these fuckholes even read the comic books... is everyone in hollywood fucking blind and deaf to everything except the green?

  • May 9, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Some of you are forgetting this is a comic boom movie..

    by andrew coleman

    Asking why Sandman is robbing an armored truck? Because he is a bad guy in a comic book movie. Still this movie has serious problems Black Suit Spider-man was dealt well in one scene the sub way scene with Sandman which was one of the better scenes in the movie. He was suppose to be really evil and he just wasn't. My other problem was Spider-man wasn't really in the movie. This no mask policy they have in these movies is pissing me off. In the final fight scene his mask falls off twice, and second time doesn't make any sense. Brock hits him in the face with a pointed and it tears his mask off but doesn't cut his face, LAME!!! Spider-man 4 should have Lizard and and Spider-man turning into the human spider and then Kraven comes hired by Chameleon who will be a bad guy later on. That would be cool and completely make up for this movie.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    The movie sucked because fanboy's wanted Venom

    by CarbonGhost

    Venom was completely useless

  • May 9, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Of course its a blockbuster!!

    by Vansmack13

    151 million opening weekend while breaking all kinds of box office records. YES this sounds like a blockbuster to me. There was lots of applause at the end of the movie I saw. My point is most people who saw this movie do not know or care about back stories and the studios know it. The guest critic from the associated press on Ebert and Roeper even said she did not even know Venom's name until Roeper told her when they were talking about it. I am guessing a large percentage of the people who see this movie are in that boat.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    MetiphisLabs

    by SelfSentered

    i think people are judging the film and not raimi. just because someone likes evil dead and a simple plan, they're not allowed to not like sp3? does that mean that after 'blade runner' and 'alien' that i'm not allowed to call 'hannibal' a piece of shit? because i do. and it was. again. not hating raimi. hating the film.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Same thing at my theatre wolvenom

    by White Goodman

    I enjoyed the teens yelling stupid things more than I did the movie. And I normally want to kill those kids. But this time they were far more entertaining than the movie.

  • May 9, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    Ooooh, of course, Raimi made Venom suck on purpose!

    by westwood13

    Whatever. Don't apologize for Raimi with excuses like that. It's ridiculous. If you have to write for a character that's underwritten and not likable, you develop it into something you like. Look at Sandman. There's one seriously dopey character in the comics and seeing him come to life in this movie is heart-wrenching. If Raimi can do that with Sandman, why can't he make something out of Venom? And if he was force-fed Venom, then he should have dropped Sandman and really done Venom. Used his obvious talents to do something with him. As it is, he decided not to bother and now we've got a crappy Venom in a crappy Spider-Man movie. Maybe he did it to purposefully sabotage the franchise so he could go do something else. Makes as much sense as him making Venom look stupid because Raimi wanted the world to see how stupid he thinks Venom is.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Here's where some critical talkbackers are wrong.

    by CreasyBear

    "MJ was a bitch throughout." She actually went back to caring for Peter several times, despite the fact Peter's actions justifiably left her cold in general. "Everyone cries too much." The emotion was appropriate for the scenes. Judging from some talkbackers' responses, you'd think it was some Lifetime movie. "The butler's exposition was too convenient." The butler knowing about the wounds is not bizarre or impossible, and yes, it provides a way for the movie to cut to the chase without being bogged down in an even longer exposition for the sake of feeling more "organic" or whatever. "Bruce Campbell's scene was too long." It was pretty funny, and pretty quick, actually.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    And here's where they're right.

    by CreasyBear

    Some of the CGI battle-scene work really looked pre-Jurassic (the movie, not the actual era). / The eyeliner and hair over the forehead change, as if we needed a signifying look to tell that Peter was not his usual self. / The revenge-dance sequence, which was PAINFUL in the theater. / Venom was a boring, useless character. / Sandman and Venom teaming up so conveniently (when Sandman hasn't really been given much of a reason to be fearful of Spider-Man in the first place). Oh, and has anyone mentioned how lame the J. Jonah Jameson / little girl with the camera joke was? Horrible. Steve Urkel-comedy horrible.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    "Flawed" like a punchbowl with a turd in it

    by Gozu

    The problem with the whole "It's flawed but decent" argument is that this film was the most expensive film ever or maybe one of the most expensive films ever. When it's all said and done, over $300 million was spent on this clusterfuck. So much time, money, and effort went into it that it should have kicked ass. On the consumer side of things, going to the movies is an expensive proposition. At least $9 for the ticket, not to mention the extra $10 for the popcorn and soda. So for the amount of money they spent making it and the amount of money we spent to fucking see it, it damned well better be fucking perfect. Quoth Alfred Hitchcock: "A good film is when the price of the dinner, the theatre admission and the babysitter were worth it."

  • May 9, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    The bottom line is, it's not DVD-worthy for me.

    by CreasyBear

    Which is sad. The first two are some of my favorite movies.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    The Video Game....

    by Massage...Bored

    ...is really frustrating at times but it does some things wonderfully. Like, it actually explains the team-up between Venom and Sandman better and in a matter that doesn't stray from the "characters" that were set-up. They have Venom kidnapping the "forgotten" daughter of Sandman and coherses him into the final showdown by threatening her life.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Selfsentered

    by MetiphisLabs

    Dude I'm talking about the people shitting on Raimi personally, and it's happening all around us here. I don't care if they liked the movie or not, I'm sick of hearing about how Raimi is a hack now and how he's talentless etc. It's so fickle that it's sickening.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Brocks Death

    by kikuchiyoboy

    His bones crumbled to the floor.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    "Fanboys" Didn't Make This Movie

    by MarkoOhNo

    Hollywood execs made it, and forced Venom down Raimi's throat with the thought that it would put more money in their pockets. They didn't give a crap about Fanboys. If they did, they'd have said "put Venom in the film, but only if you think he'll work and he can be done right." Instead they said, "Put that black thing in the movie. That's not a request, bub."

  • May 9, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Harry, I'm starting a Penny Arcade jar.

    by PirateEmery

    A quarter for every time I disagree with a review. No vehement words. Just a lot of quarters.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Vansmack13

    by MarkoOhNo

    It sounds like a blockbuster to you because you're feebleminded. Spiderman 3 didn't make that money. Spiderman 1 & 2 made that. I know you're scratching your ass right now saying, "What the fuck?" So I'll explain it to you. The only reason Spiderman 3 made that much money was because of expectation. When the movie started, fans were roaring, "Spiderman three!!! WHOOOOO!!!!!!" By halfway through, fans were roaring with laughter during dramatic scenes. A blockbuster lasts more than the opening weekend and doesn't get openly ridiculed on EVERY FORUM by EVERY fan and critic. The movie was only okay and, in essence, bombed. Here's your binky.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Other bad guys

    by kahootz

    Why does no one love the rhino or Electro as much as me? How about a James Bond-like structure where Spidey foils the Shocker in the intro segment and then the rest of the movie is about some other baddie?

  • May 9, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    MetiphisLabs

    by SelfSentered

    But I don't think that many people are bashing Sam directly. Saying "Raimi Blew It" is, well, inevitable if you didn't like the movie, because he not only directed it, he co-wrote it. Oh, and, technically, he is a hack. A hack is a horse for hire, well, in this case, director for hire. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have had to use Venom against his will in the first place. But, since he didn't have final script approval, and, I'm sure, didn't have final cut, he is by definition a hack. On a completely un-related note, I don't think enough people are concentrating on how BAD the effects were. No excuse for a movie that cost this much to look that bad.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    I'd Love To See

    by MarkoOhNo

    Electro... he's awesome. Kraven. Mysterio. Hydroman. Muh damn web... I mean Madame Web. lol Ringmaster. There's SO many Spidey villains. But right now I've got a fever and the only cure is more Dylan Baker. I wanna see The Lizard take the stage in Spiderman 4. Same cast, same director... but with NO studio executive involvement in the screenplay writing this time!

  • May 9, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    The real problems with Spider-man 3

    by Ryan30

    I saw the movie on opening day and I was extremely unimpressed, but I seem to disagree with most people on why this movie was terrible. The number one complaint from everyone is the dancing Peter scenes. I actually thought those scenes were funny. The major problem with this movie is that you do not make a two-and-a-half hour Spider-man movie and then only have Spider-man in the movie for less than 30 minutes. That is inexcusable. This movie is not called Peter loves Mary. It is called Spider-man dammit! Nobody came to this movie to see Gone With the Wind, they came to see a superhero from a comic book kick somebody's ass. I actually thought the several character sub-plots, although brief, were not that bad. Sandman, Venom, and Gwen Stacy were developed enough for me. In fact this movie could have dropped twenty minutes of Mary Jane singing, crying about her job, and crying while listening to the answering machine, and still have covered all of the story arcs. The scene with the butler, the meteorite that happens to land beside the main character, and Spider-man's incredible luck to be standing beside a bell when he decides to lose the symbiote were not the stupidest scenes in the movie. The most idiotic scene in this movie was Mary Jane dumping Peter because Harry told her to. Drag Peter to the bridge and warn him that Harry has his memory back. Then he can walk across the park and give him another concussion. What the hell is she listening to Harry for? He got bitch slapped twice in this movie. The only reason for that scene was so the actors could cry some more. All you Michael Bay haters on here who love to bitch about his lack of character development make me sick. He would certainly not be dumb enough to fill three quarters of his super-hero movie with romance like your hero Sam Raimi. Another question I have, is how hard would it have been to show Spider-man trying unsuccessfully to remove the symbiote and then learning that it has a weakness to sound? It would have been a lot better than have him suddenly go to church, struggle with the alien, and then have the bell help him get it off. Anyone who did not read the comic must have been slightly confused with that scene as it was incredibly lazy writing. Finally, although I am a long time reader of Spider-man comics, the whole Sandman killed my uncle plot was not only incredibly wrong because it pissed all over the Spider-man legacy; it also made the first two movies irrelevant. The whole first movie was about Peter becoming Spider-man because he let the robber go free who killed his uncle. The second movie had a long, boring part where Peter tells his aunt the circumstances of his uncle's death. They are all irrelevant, now. Peter might as well quit being Spider-man again, since the reason for his existence is no longer relevant. All the complaints about organic web-shooters, the Dark Phoenix, and Transformer designs, pale in comparison to the pathetic attempt to make black Spider-man want revenge while ignoring the repercussions of writing such a stupid storyline. I have read about studio influence, but Sam Raimi is still responsible for the Sandman uncle killer story, for the boring, unnecessary romance that dominates his comic book movie, for the incessant need to have Spider-man lose his mask every two minutes so the audience can see Tobey Maguire's boring in comparison face, and for making Spider-man a stranger in his own movie.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    LONG LIVE VENOM.....4-EVER

    by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    WHAT THE FUCK????!!!!!! Is this a 1st????? Can we please get a freakin director who loves to make good movies?????!!!! HMMMMMMM Raimi hates Venom.....so Raimi does the PUSSY THING AND NOT ONLY FUCKS VENOM. BUT FUCKS THE MOVIE AS A WHOLE!!!! This has gotta be a 1st. Great Director = Raimi, Hates venom = ruins film!!!! I don't think Ratner hates x-men. He just sucks at makin those movies! VENOM is a GREAT VILLIAN....IF DONE RIGHT!!!! BUT WHO OR WHAT IS NOT...IF DONE RIGHT!!!!!??? Why didn't Sam just say " i'll do spidey3 but...NOOOO Venom. or i walk"????!!!! It's not like Sam needs cash? WHY FUCK WITH THE AUDIENCE/FANS? Spidey3 would have raked in billions with or without venom!!!!!! I have been reading spidey since the 70's ! You just can't keep bringing back goblin/vulture/mysterio/chamelion/rhino ect. You have to add new villians over the years. Venom IS PERFECT ADVERSARY TO SPIDEY...MASKED AND UNMASKED! RAIMI HAD A GRUDGE AND HE TOOK IT OUT ON THE WHOLE FILM! DAMN YOU SAM. NOW YOUR LEGACY WILL NOT BE "COOL DIRECTOR WHO DID EVILDEADS AND QUICK AND THE DEAD AND SPIDEY SAGA AND OTHER COOL SHIT"....IT'S GONNA BE "RAIMI HATED VENOM SO HE RUINED SPIDEY3" AND HARRY YOUR PROTECTING YOUR BUDDY SAM. I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT. BUT IN THE PROCESS YOUR LOSING YOUR RESPECT TO US...THE FANS AND I CONDEM YOU FOR THAT. US FANS WHO WANT A GOOD SPIDEY FILM WITH OR WITHOUT VENOM. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR WORK THAN WHY DO IT???? IT'S A SAD DAY IN TINSELTOWN/THE MOVIE WORLD WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Of Course

    by MarkoOhNo

    Madame Web isn't a villain. I was just naming off characters and forgot the theme was villains. lol

  • May 9, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    I Don't Think Raimi "Hates" Venom

    by MarkoOhNo

    I think his stance was just that the time wasn't right yet to add Venom and I happen to agree. Venom shouldn't have shown up until Spiderman 5 or so. Now watch. Studio execs are gonna try to force Carnage down the throat of whoever directs Spiderman 4.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    SelfSentered

    by MetiphisLabs

    Dude you're quoting an antiquated definition of the word hack to me. We all know that nowadays its use implies a washed up talent. The fact is a lot of people in the talkbacks have been being unfairly insulting to Raimi, and those are the ones I'm addressing, if you read through any of the Spiderman talkbacks you can plainly see it en mass, happening. So I dunno why you're arguing with me.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Bad FX

    by MarkoOhNo

    I noticed early on how halfassed the effects were. Anyone else notice how horrible the Peter/Hobgoblin alley chase scene looked?!? It looked like a freakin cartoon.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Anton needs another Phd

    by huggerorange

    hellboy was made for 80,000,000 and looks and is better than the crap that is spiderman 3. Hell yes they couldve made a much better movie with 250 mil- you must be losin it. SPiderman 2 was made with less than 250mil im sure adn its better so what is your argument AntonPhd?

  • May 9, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Great Zeus' balls!...Bruce C. is Superman!

    by theonecalledshoe

    hmm... some bruce campbell related stuff and bruce willis interview(s.) Something magical is in the air tonight. As for ye olde indy parody the mustache rules over Tom Selleck any day of the week.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Expectation?

    by Vansmack13

    Your right, I am sure box office sales will drop 90% next week after the word gets out about how Venom did not use the term "we" when he spoke..oh and when everyone reads the message boards and finds out that Harry coveniently loses his memory. Man thanks for educating me, looks like another one of those one week wonders. Wonder who SONY will get to replace Raimi after they fire him for such a debackle. The movie bombed??? I agree it was not the best movie I ever saw, but you just lost all credibility on this form for the rest of your life. But you made my point, you think it bombed and SONY will make millions. They don't give a shit about what you think and I know you will see it again on DVD and will be in line for the 4th one. Oh, but based on your logic since your "expectations are now lowered" you won't go..yeah right.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST

    We'll never get a good Venom movie because of S3

    by wolvenom

    After S3 no one is going to think twice about venom again and its a shame.... cause god dammit i love that character. He doesn't just look cool he actually scares the fuck out of me. When i read spiderman comics and its all about doc oc vs. spidey I rarely ever for a second think before turning the page at a climactic moment that spidey's gonna get it this time... but with venom he scares the fuck out of me and when I'm reading a spidey comic with him in it i am genuinely scared for the characters involved. There's that kind of gravita that venom doesn't give a shit about the public safety, and really wants spidey dead and can easily do it if given the chance. Basically, RAIMI DID TO VENOM WHAT FUCKING SHUMACCER DID TO BANE IN THE BATMAN AND ROBIN MOVIE... BANE is arguably one of batman's strongest adversaries, I mean bane breaks batman's fucking back in one of the comics leaves him for dead and he ends up in a fucking wheelchair. Bane scared the fuck out of me because I knew he could easily kill Batman.... I knew he wanted to kill batman and there's something very fucking scary about that that the joker and penguin with their endless games and goofing around can't compete with. THAT IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT VENOM... that fucking feeling i get when Im genuinely afraid for spiderman and peter parker.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Kinda blew my wad over in Moriarty's review, but...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...I'll say it again, only because I loved Spiderman 3. (with Italian accent) I LOVED SPIDERMAN 3!! I DIDN'T SIMPLY HAVE FUN, I LOVED IT!! Of all the Spiderman films, this one had the most heart, the most emotional appeal. I dig on films by John Cassavetes, films that show how fucked up we are as human beings, but also that we all have something to offer. This Spiderman film did that. Can't believe I'm saying this, but it was almost a Cassavetes-esque version of Spiderman. It was like a small independent film wrapped up inside super-hero summer movie blockbuster. In SM3, we got to see Mary Jane as a fully functional fleshed living breathing human being, not some geek's wet dream Barbie doll. In SM3, we finally get to see Harry, during his amnesia, as Peter's boyhood friend, as his brother. We've never really seen that before. This made the twisted Harry seem that much more twisted, and his final redemption that much more redeeming. In SM3, we finally got to see a villain who couldn't plead "Not guilty by reason of insanity." Sandman made choices, like Peter, and many times they were wrong ones. But he was sane, free thinking, and answerable to his own judgement. In the end, he was just like us, someone who wanted to do what he thought was the right thing, even though it's not always right. In SM3, we got to see Marvel Team-Up: The Movie! New Goblin/Harry and Spidey/Peter vs. Venom and Sandman! Great! Loved it! In SM3, we got to see one of the most visually beautiful moments in any super-hero film, that is, the birth of the Sandman. In SM3, we got to see an alternate universe, a Bizarro reality. A What If? kind of scenario. What If? the spider had bitten the wrong kid? What if? with the great power, there was no great responsibility? That came in the form of Dark Peter. That whole sequence, though sometimes played for laughs, reminded me of George Bailey in "It's a Wonderful Life" seeing what life in Bedford Falls would be like without him. And it's not all funny. Peter disfigures Harry. And Peter does the one thing he's sworn never to do, he harms MJ. I LOVED SPIDERMAN 3!! Sorry you haters can't feel like I feel. For me, it's the best super-hero film I've seen since Ang Lee's 'HULK." As for Harry's review, I agree with it mostly, of course. But... I disagree about MJ and who is the right girl for Peter. The Russian girl across the hall? Yeah, you know chicks like that (and I'm being general here, forgive me) seem cool at first, but then they turn psycho on you. Peter doesn't need that, he has enough psychos to deal with. MJ is his childhood love. MJ is still the girl next door for him. Peter is still in many ways a kid. So long as he holds onto that childhood, he will always love MJ. And I don't buy that MJ really loves Spidey. See, with chicks, they have a good side, and a bad side (much like guys) The bad girl in MJ digs on Spiderman, the same girl who dug on Flash Thompson. The wild free spirit. But there's a gentle sensitive side to MJ that eventually befriended Peter and fell in love with him, not Spidey, but Peter, her boy next door. Don't hate on MJ. MJ is cool, man. Be cool. As for Venom, I think Sam Raimi, brilliant movie maker that he is, found a way to purposely include Eddie Brock/Venom in the film, that is, plug him into the Dark Spiderman storyline that Raimi was playing with. Eddie Brock came off as an anti-Peter Parker, a person/symbol to mirror Peter off of. When Eddie becomes Venom, it's merely an extension of that anti-Peter Parker character. There was really no need to devote too much screen time to the symbiote as Venom, because the main point of Venom was Eddie Brock. Eddie Brock was our Venom. That black symbiote thing with the big grin was just an afterthought. Sorry, all you Venom fans, but that's what you get for being Venom fans, because as Harry says, Venom is retarded. And I agree with Harry that SPIDERMAN 1 < SPIDERMAN 3 >= SPIDERMAN 2. 'Nuff said.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    i love you Harry!..

    by bob oblaw

    FUCK THE HATERS!!!

  • May 9, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    i love you Harry!..

    by bob oblaw

    FUCK THE HATERS!!!

  • May 9, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    lol yeah

    by christpunchers2007

    what a waste for them to use sandman as ben's actual killer... its so forced. "hey i know you're spidey because you want to not allow another ben parker incident to happen but just so you know you killed the wrong guy in the first film.". an accidential trigger from flint marko, who barely did "acting" in this film other than look completely stiff and sad. yeah sure he looked the part but since the movie is so crammed there was no way to insert more scenes of him showing off his amazing acting abilities. his sand abilities too were ruined, no half floating sandman with no legs going after spidey, no sliding under a metal door that spidey had to break open to catch up with him, instead we got some stupid fucking sandzilla who ROARS? when hes angry? heh lets not forget they did that to venom too whom who have never been in this film, they gave him a raptor voice. when spidey was looking around for venom all we heard from shreks from jurassic park, some kid in the audience went "Hey i didnt know dinos were villians in this movie" everyone laughed.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    MetiphisLabs

    by SelfSentered

    Dude, I'm arguing with you because it's a talkback and i'm bored. Like everyone else here. But I'm sorry, hack does not mean "washed up talent". Don't blame me because the geek community doesn't understand the English language. "Hack" is the most overused word in this place because no one actually understands what it means. But anyway. Mostly just arguing with you because I'm bored.

  • May 9, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    "Oh, God a towering oak!" = "Workshed!"

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    Just reminded me of the slightly off overdub from Evil Dead 2. Classic.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    LOL 'SANDZILLA'!! HAHAHA

    by wolvenom

    Sandzilla! dinosaurs! AHAHAHA thats hilarious christpunchers2007

  • May 9, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    LOL 'SANDZILLA'!! HAHAHA

    by wolvenom

    Sandzilla! dinosaurs! AHAHAHA thats hilarious christpunchers2007

  • May 9, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Vansmack13

    by MarkoOhNo

    You're just a flat out idiot. The movie sucked not because of details, moron. The movie sucked because the story was rushed, overloaded and forced. I get the impression the studio had a heavy hand in the creation of S3 - so much seemed halfassed and uninspired compared to the first two. That's probably why so few people seem interested in returning to make S4. That's why the GENERAL MOVIEGOING PUBLIC left unsatisfied, spread the word, and did not return. Go back to grade school and learn how to read. I've been expressing excitement for Spiderman 4 all through this board. One mediocre film after two phenomenal classics isn't going to make me never want to see another movie with the same title again. My beef is with the studio executives whose asses you'd pay to smooch. HOPEfully they'll stay out of it in Spiderman 4 and not wrestle for control, ruining it like they did with 3.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Correction

    by MarkoOhNo

    Sorry, distracted with something else while writing. I said "sucked"... I meant "mediocre". :P

  • May 9, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Correction

    by MarkoOhNo

    Sorry, distracted with something else while writing. I said "sucked"... I meant "was mediocre". :P

  • May 9, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Oded Fer for Kraven!?!?!?

    by joboo

    Fuck Oded Fer. There's only one man for Kraven - Al Swearengen himself.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Harry, this is the best review of yours I have read.

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>The thing about good criticism is the argument, the persuasion... yeah, I like to read other people's take on things, but it's not enough to say it's cool or it sucked. Please tell me WHY! (And simply saying because it rawks out loud doesn't work.)</p> <p>I think this whole marriage thing seems to be having a good effect on you, Harry. But I have to ask you to consider dropping a couple of things from your repertoire: "cunt" doesn't belong in a film review, unless it's the name of the film; and be a pal and retire "retarded" as an adjective. People who are truly mentally retarded cannot help it. To use that word as a pejorative is cowardly, in my humble opinion.</p> <p>Your take on the film is fresh and welcome, and I could not agree with you more about Venom. I quit reading Spider-Man because of that idiotic character, and I adore Spider-Man. Venom's inclusion in this film sank it.</p>

  • May 9, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    The FX

    by wadi77

    Are bad on all 3 Spidey movies, though I really liked the first 2 movies as a whole.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Another Reason Why Vansmack13 Is A Delusional Moron

    by MarkoOhNo

    Not every person who thinks the movie was a let down blames Raimi. I have no problem with him. In fact, if he's not directing S4 my expectations will be lowered further. I might watch S3 again on DVD, possibly, if my parents decide they want to see it over the holidays. But there'll be a hole in my DVD collection between Spiderman 2 and Spiderman 4 (assuming they don't make the same mistakes on the next film.) I thought it was "okay". I thought Ghostrider was "okay" too but didn't arrive with stratospheric expectations - that's why I'm so disappointed in S3. I don't feel a desire to see the film a 2nd time and I'm far from alone on this.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Rock on, Harry!

    by BrowncoatJedi

    You actually understood what Saturday Night Fever Peter was all about, unlike 90% of the people whining about it on the internet.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    yeah, what Bronx said

    by SAVOIR_faire

    Hilarious how posters want to post 'It Sucked, Harry's an idiot' (perfectly valid opinion), but bash Harry for actually explaining why he had his particular experience with the movie. Realize... a film will affect different folks different ways. It ain't such a difficult idea. We all have the right to react to the imperfect-but-still-fun-Spidey in our own way. The marketplace of ideas is big enough for your opinion to thrive without you having to bash others who disagree.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Selfsentered

    by MetiphisLabs

    Makes sense.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    You made my point yet again!!

    by Vansmack13

    The studio execs could careless what you think. Why would they stay out of 4 if they "had a heavy hand" in 3 like you said and it is a total finacial sucess. Let me spell it out for you since you are better at childish insults than debating. I believe this movie will be one of the biggest finacial sucesses any movie studio has ever had. You think word will get out and sales will drop once everyone realizes what a "bomb" it is. Take a look at the numbers over the next few weeks, you will see the error of your ways. Once again...my point is: This movie will make tons of money and is marketed to joe blow and his family who will see it a few times or at the very least buy the DVD (just like you will, even though its supposivily a bomb). Expect more of the same in the future, thats the way the real world works. Most people don't care about rushed, overloaded, and foreced when it comes to this type of movie. Its a summer popcorn flick, not Saving Private Ryan!!

  • May 9, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    They should of cut out sandman

    by blindambition238

    The movie basically jammed a sandman story, dark-suit/ symbiote saga, and evil harry plot together. Of the those three the last two were the most developed in the film and themeatically gelled the best together, but by the end they didnt have enough time to properly develop and resolve. I prefer Sandman to Venom but the movie could have been a lot better if they left him out to give the other stories room to grow.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Totally disagree Harry, get rid of Raimi

    by iwontwin

    I see what you are saying, but the darker spidey is what I read growing up, and the campiness quota has already been fulfilled in the first two movies. Its time to bring Spiderman back to the 80s and 90s. I can't really explain to you why Venom is so popular, im sure a million people have tried to tell you this, but the second I left the theater, as I stood in the mall , the first thing I was asked was "How is venom in the movie" I loved the way he was designed in the film, and Topher had the right attitude as Eddie Brock, it was marvelous when he quipped on his spidersense tingling. Venom was so great, but alas, due to Mr.RAimi being out of touch , the structure of the film was so weak. The plot contrivances, the silly romantic shuffling, and wayyy too many "little moments" (Making omlets yea!) Its all nostalgic of the silver age, but thats enough. Tobey is 31, Drunkst has never done a good job, and lets get rid of this cheery eyed parker, and bring on mr.smartass. Watch the videos from Marvel Ultimate Alliance for xbox360, thats the spiderman we want. He is hilarious.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    something I agree with Harry on.

    by TheGreenStyle

    If we get a non-reboot Spidey 4, (even better, if Raimi and Tobey are still onboard,) I want it to display Peter's final step towards maturity: he dumps Mary Jane. Not just for the "my enemies will go after you to get to me," bit, (even though they DO every single fucking time,) but because he's finally grown up enough to realize that just because he's had a crush on her for years doesn't mean she's the one he's meant to be with. That the relationship is healty. Because it's not. Despite her promise to face the challenges with him, she can't live up to it. She can't handle him being both Pete and Spidey. <br> <br> I just think the message that, knowing when to get out of a relationship because it's unhealthy, is ALSO a sign of maturity. I've known people, friends and family, in terrible relationships that they can't pull themselves out of. I'd like to see spidey learn to do that.<br> <br> And having him hook up with the russian chick afterwards would be ideal, but probably asking too much. I just don't see Pete making two big connections so fast.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    No excuse for Raimi. Not "getting" a character...

    by Warcraft

    ..is no excuse for shoving him into the movie at the expense of the script, and fans of the character. This movie was completely sloppy and a severe diservice to every type of viewer involved. Not "getting" a character has to be the absolute worst excuse for ruining a perfectly good trilogy.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    "Is it perfect?" = dumb question + Spider-Man 4

    by jorson2

    Good review, Harry, but to you and every other reviewer on this site -- isn't the question, "Is the film perfect?" getting a bit riduculous? It's used so much and the obvious answer is ALWAYS no, and why? BECAUSE THERE'S NO SUCH THINGS AS A PERFECT MOVIE! Maybe a few come close, and for most of you guys I suspect that would be any irreverent movie with a hard-R rating (as tends to be the case with some of the reviewers and talkbackers on this site), but still, "Is it perfect?" It's really a kind of dumb question to use in a review, particularly over and over again in multiple reviews. Anyway, a points about Spider-Man 4: 1.) Either restart the franchise or make it clear that this is a new potential-trilogy about a new part of Peter Parker's life. Thus, the tone should be different -- not so much so that there's no possible connection should they choose not to start at the beginning again (Spidey's origins, etc.) -- but different enough so that we know we're being given a new, extended storyline. 2.) Lower the budget. This has already been suggested in the media, but I think the series, if it goes into a fourth installment, could use a budget reduction. I've got nothing against expensive movies except for the fact that the temptation to use up all the money for effects and such usually winds up contributing to poor narrative decision making, like too many plot lines or villains, as I think is partly the case in Spider-Man 3 (though not as much so as in other superhero films, imho). 3.) Go back to Silver-Age villains. Even though I've only really read Spider-Man comics from that era, it still seems to me that the material from that era is the material most recycled in books like "Ultimate Spider-Man" and such and that those stories and, particularly, villains are are the ones with the most value in the Spider-Man saga. Thus, my suggestion -- have The Vulture as the main villain in Spider-Man 4 with an introduction to The Lizard. Why do I say introduction? First, because whereas even the other dual identity villains are devious if not evil regardless of which identity is being presented, Dr. Connors is not. He's only a villain AS The Lizard, something Stan Lee beautifully sets up in the first appearance back in, I think, '62 or '63. I'm not even sure The LIzard should be a full blown villain in this series simply because I don't think fans would buy it considering the comraderie set up between Parker and Connors in Spider-Man 2 and 3, but the character deserves an appearance and one that still ties into the overall story and not be an appendage. And, of course, like probably a million of you, I have specific story ideas of how to accomplish that but I won't share them here. Definitely, though, The Vulture as the villain in the fourth film with an appearance by The Lizard but mostly with Dr. Connors as a character with a more important story function (as opposed to being Reed Richards' replacement in this third movie). Last Point: 4.) If it's going to be a trilogy, plan ahead this time. Why they didn't plan the narrative of this first trilogy is beyond me since a.) they knew they were making sequels before the first movie even opened, and b.) Harry's storyline was so obviously set up in the first "to be continued." If they're going to plan to make more films, why not at least outline a gameplan, even if they still have to make the first film (of the new set) stand on its own in case sequel plans wind up financially less feasible than predicted. In any case, it would enhance the films' loyalty to the comcis by doing such since so many of the comics have been, are and will continue to be done that way.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    well, i'm going to choose to believe that...

    by TheGreenStyle

    when Sam was forced to use venom, he didn't just get all pissy and make the movie an essay on why the characters sucks. I'm going to choose to believe that he tried, but failed because, again, he just doesn't get it. (Harry, get the dvd and watch the animated "Venom saga" Venom stalking and tormenting peter before killing him off is what makes him interesting. It gets almost hitchcockian, well, as much as a cartoon can.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Man Mountain Marko is a better villian than Venom.

    by Negative Man

    Vulture, Lizard, Electro, Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter, Scorpion, Shocker, Rhino, Arcade, The Beetle, Silvermane, Tombstone, Swarm...Hell, even Man-Bull is a better villian! "Hello, I'm Venom. I'm alien symbiotic goo that makes my host/victim into big jerks. And I hate Spider-Man because he rejected me. Um...yep, that's all I got." As Spidey would say...Sheesh.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    here is the ultimate alliance link

    by iwontwin

    http://tinyurl.com/2cb6tw enough weepy spiderman

  • May 9, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    I still really liked this movie...

    by Russman

    period!

  • May 9, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Isn't that why goblin hated him though?

    by TheGreenStyle

    in the first one, Green Goblin gave Spider-man the "join the dark side" routine, Spider-man rejected, and Goblin got pissy. At Least movie eddie brock feels like he was screwed by pete/spiderman, (remember, even before he faked the photo, he was having suspicions that Pete and spidey's relationship wasn't on the level) and then he feels that pete celebrated by stealing his girl. Way better motivation than just Goblin's "Be my lacky cause I say so! join me in my grand mission to make Norman Osbourne's life better! if the pizza man is late, you Spiderman will destroy him for me! if I get stuck in traffic, you spiderman will web me to the office!" Spidey coulda been like Darth Vader, only more pathetic.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I could tolerate dark peter

    by iwontwin

    It was alright making him an asshole, cocky when he had no reason to be, I get that, but it would have been better if they made peter become creepy rather than just a mean nerd. Raimi was the wrong person for this film period. They need to bring in someone else, someone like... LIKE ME, GIVE ME A JOB, ILL MAKE THE MOVIE BASED PURELY ON TALKBACK COMMENTS.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Vansmack13

    by MarkoOhNo

    A movie doesn't live on it's opening day alone. End of story. You ARE the weakest link - goodbye. What makes a movie is its word of mouth and right now that word is a universal "eh". All you're going to get this next weekend and every weekend hereafter are smatterings of people who're curious... like the kind of people who take a certain route despite knowing it's blocked by an accident. Perhaps they wonder if it's all that bad or want to see for themselves. You'll also get diehard fans and disbelievers. But the word is out. People who were excited are saying nevermind, maybe I'll see the DVD. Discounting the opening weekends of the three films, this will never be anywhere near as big as the first two - a financial failure, as such. Hollywood failed and needs to keep its grubby little fingers out of film franchises which were fine without them. From a financial standpoint: without their interference, Spiderman films could run endlessly, like Bond films. WITH interference, it'll crash & burn just like Batman did 10 years ago.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Thank you Harry

    by Merlox

    well done review for a good (not great) movie...thanks for not joining all the bitchy haters...

  • May 9, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Vansmack13

    by MarkoOhNo

    That's EXACTLY why it's a failure! They marketed it toward "Joe Blow" but he walked out laughing or scratching their heads. Unlike you, the majority of moviegoers aren't braindead neanderthals who stare at a screen blankly saying, "...pretttyyyy...." They go for characters, they go for conflict, and they go for fun. If all you've done well is make it fun, but outweigh it with weakness in every other area, the only people who will see it again are the Hollywood executive dunces and their leghumpers like you. It's the same people who think Transformers will be a financial windfall simply because it has CGI robots. :P

  • May 9, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Finally, reason returns to this sight.

    by rbatty024

    Perfect. No. Unique, brave, and a lot of fun. Hell yeah! It was a really good film with some flaws. I agree that it is as good if not better than the original. If nothing else, Raimi went out of his way to give us a spectacle and took risks.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Y'know What Really Sucks...

    by MarkoOhNo

    2007 was looking to me like it would be the greatest year for movies in a long time. Sadly, one by one, they're becoming failures. Transformers - not gonna be Transformers after all. Spiderman - tremendous disappointment. If Pirates 3 and Harry Potter don't match my expectations, I could potentially go insane. lol

  • May 9, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Site not sight. Whoops.

    by rbatty024

  • May 9, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    I'm OUT

    by sevenrivera

    I wrote this once after Harry gushed over a Transformers Poster: "I hate to say it because he seems like a good guy, but Harry is also responsible for the lowering standard of expectations for today's movies. He's always so quick to love almost every movie made nowadays that he overlooks fatal flaws and forgives horrible insults to our collective intelligence and sensibilities. He's happy to say, "Giant Robots! Woo-hoo!" and he'll go to the movie and squeel with delight even though it's a turd sandwich on the screen. Why? Because he's a happy guy. His site has become an international phenomenon and he's attained a level of celebrity he never could have thought possible growing up. I'm very happy for him and respect all that he has accomplished and will continue to accomplish, he's done an amazing thing here, but let's face it, he's lost that critical edge necessary to bring objectivity. Simply put, he's too happy to be taken seriously when it comes to critical analysis. Intellectually, he will know that this movie sucks but he's in such a good place in his life right now that he'll be all too eager to simply say, "Fuck it, it had one or two good parts. That's good enough for me, I can ignore the rest." Good on you man, but you've got a responsibility and a degree of influence now. Use your powers for good, I implore you. Be critical. Hold filmmakers and studios to the highest possible standards. Force them to reach higher instead of race to the bottom. Don't let them continue catering to the lowest common denominator. Vilify idiots like Michael Bay. Run him out on a rail. Bring back good movies. Bring back intelligence, subtlety, sharp writing, character development, story, acting ability, etc. You can have all that and still have good action and big giant robots. I promise you, it is possible if the studios give a shit. In short, bring back integrity to the process. And it starts by beating the shit out of Michael Bay with a sack of hammers. Damn you Michael Bay, damn you straight to hell."

  • May 9, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Now

    by sevenrivera

    I wrote that before, but after reading this review, I'm afraid I can't even give Harry the benefit of the doubt anymore. This movie was a disaster and he knows it, but he's gotten too chummy with certain people and he's loathe to ever badmouth anything they've done. Once the gloss wears off, this is going to be Batman & Robinesque and Harry knows it, but he's lost the balls to come out and say it. That's it, I lost all respect for him and for this site. Good day sir.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    ENOUGH MASK REMOVING

    by iwontwin

    Spiderman doesnt need to remove his mask all the time...I know Raimi thinks you can zone out if you do not see a characters eyes, but spiderman HAS HUGE EYES, he is doing kabuki. The expressions are in his movements, and quirky comments.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Holy fucking shit Harry's gone guano for brains

    by crtjester20

    And I quote "That said – As a non-Venom fan, Raimi perfectly illustrated how stupid Venom is to us people that don’t like Venom." What in fuck's sake does that even mean? Raimi intentionally makes a crappy ass character because he doesn't like it or, excuse me, "get" it, so the rest of us moviegoers are forced to suck down his bile at roughly $10 a ticket? On purpose? You got to be fucking kidding me. Flame on suckers, this movie was a tosser. I hold out hope for #4, but good god this blows. Please oh please Cap'n Jack, wish Spidey out into the cornfield.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Harry you need therapy

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Lets ignore the fact that your review seems to focus on defending Raimi. Poor guy $250m budget and still can't produce a great movie, my heart breaks...no really it does. For those who want a review of the movie and not a defence of a major letdown read Moriarty's. Now Harry "..just like that cunt Lois Lane" its obvious you have serious issues but this comment is unnecessary and very offensive. How about working on an actual review.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    wow

    by LouisCedar

    I completely agree with Harry. Wow. This is a first. And probably a last. But still, good work Harry, for being one of the few to see spidey 3 for what it is rather than flying into a venom t-shirt wearing-ridiculous neckbeard-nerd rage.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Harry you red haired bastard...

    by Redfive!

    You nailed it for once.Your absolutly right with everything you just said.I do only disagree with 2 things,I do get Venom,he's basicly the complete opposite of Spidey,which isnt hard to figure out and forget Kraven in the next one it has to be THE LIZZARD AND THE SCORPION.The next just needs to have less Peter/MJ drama and focus on The bad guys and flesh these guys out.Let the Lizzard live and put away the scorpion becuase bad guys dying isnt working,Doc ock should of lived.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Harry what the fuck are you talking about?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Harry...quite frankly, what the fuck are you talking about? I seriously don't think I've ever heard a more asinine take on the character of Peter Parker. Is Peter Parker still in high school? No? Then he's not a bumbling Barney Fife uber-dork anymore. Parker at the point in his life the film portrays is blossoming into a confident, handsome, if not quirky young man. The complete loser peter Parker (which is how he's been portrayed in these films) is simply a fabrication. And where in the holy fuck are you getting that mary Jane is some bitch who is wrong for Peter Parker?? That has absolutely never been the case. Mary Jane has always been unwaverly supportive and kind to peter. If she was a bitch and their relationship was so dysfunctional trust me they would have killed her off years ago. Her character is literally NOTHING like Lois Lane. nothing. Not even a hint. Spider Man groupie? WHat the fuck? She loved Peter well before she knew his alter ego. Then again I guess I shouldn't expect more from a guy who wants him to end up with the weird cookie girl. Harry you probably should just stop reviewing films at this point, you've lost all sense of perspective.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Right until then

    by AidanJames

    I was convinced that I was the only one who understood that the symbiote can't make someone who isn't evil, pure evil. Very good review. ...though I disagree on Venom. Hell I loved the character.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Venom worked just fine. It was Sandman that sucked.

    by DarthCorleone

    And it wasn't Thomas Haden Church. He did well with what he was given. It wasn't the effects. They were cool. It was this thinly written bullshit in which we got yet another morally conflicted bad guy who one second wants to murder Spider-Man and the next second seeks forgiveness from him before drifting off into the sky, presumably to go do good deeds and get more money for his sick daughter. I'm sorry - I just didn't buy that painfully overwrought character turnaround. That all said, I actually had fun with this movie too, although I did go in with very low expectations. I enjoyed the evil Peter Parker montage, and I thought that kid yelling at Spider-Man not to kiss Gwen Stacy was hilarious. The Peter/Harry dynamic was executed well. Oh, and how the hell does that butler know that Spider-Man didn't throw the sled? Just because it was the Goblin's own sled doesn't mean the injury was self-inflicted. That was so ridiculous. They should have let Harry come to the decision himself.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    My thoughts (anyone care?)...

    by donwithnoname

    Overall I liked the film, though it was nowhere near as good as the second one (which I consider the best superhero film), but I did have a few issues with it, and if they were resolved I think the film would play better, sorry if these have already been stated: 1. The Score - the music in the human, emotional scenes was really over the top and I found it distracting. 2. That cheesy newsbroadcast at the end, it looked nothing like an actual news broadcast and only served to contantly remove us from the intense action that Raimi is so good at delivering. 3. The conclusion in general could have played a little better, it didn't have the emotional impact I wanted it to have. 4. The first Spidey/New Goblin fight was okay, but felt a little Schumacker-Batman to me... 5. (SLIGHT SPOILER) The scene where Spider-man picks up the old suit at the end after seeing the news broadcast... Your girlfriend is in danger, hurry it up. 6. Venom seemed to get a grasp of his powers pretty quickly, a little too quickly I think. Just my two cents... Also, I didn't have any problem with Venom, but I got into Spider-man during the McFarlne/Venom era and I consider that story a new-classic. Also, the dancing sequence didn't bother me, it seems very Raimi-esque...

  • May 9, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Me and Yoko Both LOVED Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo

    by heywood jablomie

    I know all you haters will say we're studio sellouts, but to that I say--bonzai!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    WILLIAM DaFOE?

    by wackybantha

    I think it's Willem. If I'm wrong well then.....LOST AND HEROES RULE!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Cookie Party, anyone?

    by wackybantha

    Oh Sarah....you are so cute.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Raimi is a fucking idiot

    by Rupee88

    The whole thing with Spider-Man never having his mask on just proves it. Go direct another shitty Darkman movie and let someone else take over...someone who loves the Spider-Man character and his friggin' costume...

  • May 9, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Agreed Industrkiller

    by blindambition238

    I was wondering what the fuck that was about too. Seriously a spidey movie where mj and gwen stacy are dead and peter is boning an unknown saucer eyed waif? Could u imagine that playing out on screen?

  • May 9, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Pirates 3

    by PirateEmery

    I have a feeling that this movie is going to be completely awesome: see it as many times as you possibly can opening weekend to rid us of the Curse of the Spidemo.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    harry

    by christpunchers2007

    with great power, comes great responsibilities, uncle ben taught us that, sevenrivera is right, you have to take control before the symbiote know as HOLLYWOOD takes over you.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Why there will be NO Lizard in Spidey 4!...

    by ImNotHamlet

    Sorry guys, I'd like to see it too, but my guess is that he'll be the building threat to the next "trilogy," and we won't see him until Spidey 6. The reason!?... They couldn't possibly put him in four now that they had Venom in three.... visually they are WAY to similar... people would just think it was rediculous.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST

    wackybantha

    by PirateEmery

    Nope, you're right: it's spelled Willem.<p> Harry's just a dumbass.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Studios were right though, sucks

    by Count Screwface

    I don't know what Raimi had planned for 3 if he was forced into doing Venom. Someone said he had Vulture in mind. The only part of H's review I agreed with is that Raimi likes and wants to do old-school Spidey. See, it's one thing if this 3rd movie bombed, but the studios are going to continue to get their way because Spidey broke every fucking record (I know not every one. It's called exaggeration). Why did it break every record? Because of the Venom factor. I have suspended my desire for accuracy in comic movies for a long time (Deathstryke/Wolverine fight), but after 3 I was dumbfounded. The script was straight garbage compared to the others, notably 2. It just sucks because there are little things that are awesome, but then I look again and the problems are just way too dominating. Fuck it, I thought Harry did a great job with insanity, especially at the coffee house, or restaurant or whatever. But then, I look at his costume and I'm like, oh yeah, that kinda sucks. You have a hulking symbiotic beast..with Topher Grace's normal voice. I was taken RIGHT out of the movie with that. No, not just because I wanted the "We are Venom" quote, and not because I wanted the double track voice from the animated series, it's because it doesn't work. Look at Doctor Doom with McMahon's voice. It's a damn joke. Lastly, I have to bring this up because out of the reviews I've read, people have only mentioned "Disco Parker." Let me first state that this isn't a bash to the sub culture I am going to mention, and I am going to try to express why it hurt the movie so badly for me. Let me know your take. I am still baffled and mortified over the choice to give Peter an "emo" look to him. That is, the folded hair creeping over one of the eyes. To some this isn't a big deal, but to people of a certain age group, this is a complete ass-kicker. Why? because it separates a fan-base by including current trends that a lot of people are opposed to. The "emo" angle was happening from the beginning, though, which I didn't like. People were using the poster of Man with his head low in the rain.I just think it was a monstrous mistake on the filmmakers' parts to include such a touchy trend. Once again, to others, perhaps the older generations, it's not very evident, but it's fact that right now there are constant jokes about people whose favorite bands are Fallout Boy, My Chemical Romance, Simple Plan, et al, because of the sad, dejected way in which they sometimes carry themselves. The black suit is supposed to make Peter angry and vengeful (which they capture to a point). He loses himself. I was most looking forward to that going in; I envisioned it, and I was let down to no end. One of the best scenes of the movie, though, was at the bell tower when it zooms in on him in the rain. I'm glad I still felt that. Not a bad movie, but was it good? No it wasn't. New director? I don't fucking know. I trust Raimi, always have, but the emo thing caused me to take a slight step backward. Harry's just forcing himself to like it, like I've done for as long as I've seen comic movies, and he's trying to find a different perspective than the majority. Denial, I know it sucks. X-Men movies, probably upcoming Transformers. Trans is going to rule, but for a lot of us, there are those things that stand out that make you wish for a different movie. That one person was right, Batman is our only hope now.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:50 p.m. CST

    I'm Batman

    by PirateEmery

    As long as Nolan has a brain, the franchise is golden. Just as long as Bale and Caine return for every one, then the series will soar.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Gary Oldman too.

    by PirateEmery

    I forgot him, great Gordan.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Venom should have been first non-Raimi film villain

    by The Only Woj

    I completely agree Harry. If anything, it wasn't that Venom in the movie was crap, it's knowing what could have been ... in a full film ... with better development. Spidey 3 feels like two separate movies, Sam's Spider-Man film and another he was making based on the comments of Arad ... and then he had to edit the two together and have a scene at the end where they actually become a single film. meh.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    What's not to get about Venom?

    by Varakor

    There's nothing at all complex about the character, you have one side that's the suit and it's pissed at parker for giving it up and then you have the other half that's brock that's pissed at parker for humilating him. It's like putting a match to a firecracker, shits gonna explode!! If Venom was saved for the 4th film, this third film would have been awesome because you can squeeze in more development, focus more on the Peter/ Harry rivalry, focus more on Sandman and watch him really cut loose, focus more on JJ, because as funny as JK simmon's always is, he was greatly underused in this film, and fucking leave out Gwen Stacy, because fans be damned she shouldn't have been in the film at all. www.the-other-view.com/spidey3b.html

  • May 10, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Ryan 30, (if you are still around), my thoughts

    by pelos_locos

    exactly. This was a Spider-Man movie, not a freaking soap-opera. The crying was already done in the 2nd movie, we don't need more. Adding drama and tension to a movie does not mean that everyone cries every two scenes. I have read SM comics on-and-off for the past 25 years. I remember Peter whining, feeling sorry for himself, questioning every action, but I don't remember him crying every other panel. <p> Sandman killing the uncle destroys the whole reason why SM exists. You could not have said it better. And why haven't we seen the smart SM?. The one that after getting beaten the crap out of him figures out a smart and clever approach to fighting his enemy.<p> Some people complain that there was too much in this movie, the characters were underdeveloped, the dialog was flat, and some other crap trying to sound all artsy-fartsy, professional critics and crap. As a movie goer, I go to a movie like SM 3 to be entertained and to have fun. I agree that some movies are better written than others but I want to enjoy a movie. Haters complain about x3, but you know what? I had fun with that movie. Crappy? Maybe but it entertained me. Mutants using their powers, wolverine fighting like wolverine and not getting beat up by a girl like in the first two. The phoenix doing phoenix stuff, showing her kick-ass, akira-like powers. E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-M-E-N-T.<p> Oh, and some of the effects were horrible in SP3. SM looked like gumby in some scenes, both in the animation and the looks. Sandman looked not too different than the mummy effects some times. There.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    finally a review that nearly nails it!

    by mmaddox3

    good job harry, finally someone captures the same feeling, that i, as well as many i ahve talked to about the film, have felt about it. Venom is lame, he is cool to look at, but come overall he is lame. im all for the lizard storyline for the next one...maybe not kraven though...lizard/scorpion anyone?

  • May 10, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Did you really need to call Lois Lane the "C" word?

    by Mr. Waturi

    So much anger. Relax, it's just a comic book, tubby.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Gwen Stacy

    by Colier Rannd

    Church is the best performance but Bryce Howard is the best thing to look at. Please someone tell me that for her modeling career they had her do pin-up pics? Because I want a huge freakin' poster of her in the pink sweater she's in in the first scene with the copier. I'm deadly serious.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Harry is right but ....

    by ludmir88

    The Vulture? I don't see how you think this character could work in Spiderman 3. But the idea of a separate film only with Spiderman and Venom I really like it. The way this movie was made since the script is some kind of iresponsable I mean with the actors because I feel some kind of pitty for Thomas Haden Church, I think he thought he would be the star, the main bad guy, he spent more than a year preparing the character and the results are ... well you know people what the results are about his character. Everybody talking about Venom, and that wasn't good. And yeah a big and dirty sex sequence with Gwen Stacy!!!!!!!!!

  • May 10, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    You guys are stupid, Harry is right

    by darthbauer

    Have seen Spidey 3 three times now and Harry is absolutely spot on in his review. You guys that hate it are the same ones that need Boba and Jango Fett in every scene in Star Wars. This movie works and works well. Not totally perfect, (3 1/2 out of 4) but not the train wreck most of you claim it is. Love to you all....Bauer

  • May 10, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST

    the vulture may have worked

    by christpunchers2007

    rework the sandman story, do not connect him to ben parker's murder, have him as a con in prison in the same cell as the vulture. theyre offered early release from prison, money to help marko's daughter if they volunteer to some sort of mutational experiment. bam you have sandman, but he cant be control, he escapes, he brings the vulture with him, he is also a scientist, who promises to save his daughter but he needs the money. vulture's is aging and he looks for the most vital life in NY and he finds parker. i dunno im just brainstorming what raimi may have planned originally.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Varakor

    by christpunchers2007

    great review. heh not that im a hater but theres no excuse for the disappointment that was sm3.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST

    The casting IS the problem with these films!

    by Quake II

    Horrible choices with the main cast have ruined this series for me. The Green Goblin's plastic costume is still a fucking mystery 4 years later, Dunst has NO sex appeal (and Mary Jane is the sexiest bitch on 2 legs in the comics), Maguire is way too pouty and silly looking and too many liberties have been taken that didn't need to be. Don't get me started on Macy Gray singing, the modern pop shit Sony soundtrack, really dated F/X shots and just goofy plot devices to speed things up! I love Spider-Man as a character and THAT'S why these films hurt so much. I would rather just watch the 1967 cartoon series. Seriously. Way more replay value.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Was Larry David going to play the Vulture?

    by GCH888

    I'm sure I read on this site that Sam Raimi was in talks with Larry David regarding the character of Vulture. Was there ever any truth to this rumour?

  • May 10, 2007, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Thanx Christpunchers

    by Varakor

    Same here, I'm not a hater on spidey, i freakin love the comic and the first two films, but this was a trainwreck.... ok maybe not that extreme because there are parts that are damn good, but i do hope there is an extended directors cut of the film that really pans things out. please oh please let there be a director's cut. Either that or go back in ala Lucas and rework some stuff. It's not too late to go back, bless you CGI!

  • May 10, 2007, 1:08 a.m. CST

    This would have worked better without Venom

    by Barl

    Because as you say Sam Raimy was clearly not the person to put him on the big screen. Now, my favorite Spidey villan is Venom, but if we could have gotten a better movie without him i say dumb him! :-P

  • May 10, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Harry use your influences ...

    by ludmir88

    to get the original script of SPIDERMAN 3, You know, before the time Avi opened his mouth and fucked the franchise!!! And you think Robert Downey Junior will have his KEVLAR-MAN oh sorry IRON-MAN helmet wear on all the time? I doubt it!!

  • May 10, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Spoke to a 9 year old

    by Punch Man

    he said he fell asleep during it

  • May 10, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Venom didn't always suck...

    by ckone

    When he first appeared he was a physical and psycological creature that captured MJ, and left her weeping and terrorized, when Spidey came back to the apt they lived in, all she saw was the black suit that was Venom..which was one of the reasons why he switched back to the red and blues, because the blacks reminded her of her ordeal with Venom. At least thats how I remember it in my head from when I read them all those years ago. THAT is the Venom that should have been on screen. Not some stupid screechy normal voiced muscle ladened goon. I always hated and still do, what they did with the character after that, I hated the versions with the long lame tongues, and the drool, and all that dumb shit. To me , at one point, he was the evil opposite of Spiderman, inhuman, more powerful, and capable of any atrocity...AND he KNEW all of Spideys secrets, and was the one and only thing that could evade Spideys "sense". Thats a VILLAIN...BUT as in the comics,he was translated, and over exposed..and then turned good. They should have left him out of this one, I'm more pissed to know that I have more chance of seeing lame ass Carnage on screen then I do the real menacing scary as hell Venom. Cause what was on screen, was not it. He looked it, but didn't sound it, or act it. A big waste. And the funny thing is, I am not some big Venom lover, I just know that what was in the movie WASN'T the real Venom.And that is dissapointing.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    I agree Harry

    by misnomer

    the movie reeked of studio intervention; would have loved to have seen Raimi be left to his own devices. The way he handled the Sandman birth was incredible. Keep Raimi, Tobey et all on board as far as I'm concerned....

  • May 10, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE

    by flossygomez

    Hayden Church has really weird lips.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Avi Arad should smack himself.

    by Boromir187

    I enjoyed Spider-Man III. Like Harry and others have said, it isn't as good as Spider-Man II, but it's on par with (if not a little better than) the first one. I've also always been a die hard Venom fan, as that character was introduced around the same time I really started to actively read Spider-Man comics. Ever since Raimi's first installment hit screens five years ago, I have been dying to see Venom on screen. That said, and I think I speak for most Venom fans, I would have rather waited for Venom to appear as the main villain in a Spider-Man IV than to have him shoehorned into the third movie. Did I like how they characterized him and how Topher Grace portrayed both aspects of him? Yes. But the character as a supervillain should have been saved for the next one. Introducing the black suit in a Spider-Man III where the villains were Sandman, The Vulture, and Harry Osbourne would still have been perfectly fine. You'd just play it off as is, with Peter shedding the symbiote in the church and then going off for the final battle. Then at the end, you show the symbiote attaching itself to a near suicidal Eddie Brock with a hint of things to come. It would have been simple and would have allowed for us to enter into Spider-Man IV with Venom/Eddie Brock's backstory already out of the way, leaving time for him to toy with and torture Parker throughout the film. That would have been the best to do. It seems to me that Raimi loved the dark aspects of Peter that the black suit brought out in him, but didn't really feel comfortable with the creation of Venom after the fact. This wouldn't have been a problem if Arad had just allowed Raimi to toy with the positives and negatives of the symbiote in the third film and leave the actual usage of Venom to another director for the fourth. Oh well. I suspect, in order to atone for the fans complaints, that we will probably end up with the return of Venom and/or Carnage in a future sequel. And that is fine, providing it isn't for the next film. For Spider-Man IV, I want Dr. Connors (Dylan Baker) to become The Lizard and rampage through the city. And I want Kraven the Hunter to be hired by J.J. Jameson to bring down both Spidey and the Lizard. That would make for a great sequel. After that, I'll gladly watch a Spider-Man V with Venom and Carnage (and maybe the Black Cat?). For the sixth film, well that's obvious: a Sinister Six comprised of smaller villains (Mysterio, Vulture, Shocker, Rhino, Chameleon, and maybe the return of a Doc Ock now completely controlled by the arms?). Beyond that, well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Maybe Kingpin (if they can get the rights) and Smythe & the Spider Slayers?

  • May 10, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    OMG! Harry wrote some things that I also wrote...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...on several other messageboards to defend Spidey 3! Like the "Dorky Peter Parker"-thing. Don't wanna say that Harry copied me (because most of my reviews were in German), it's just good to know that someone popular has the same opinion about the film like me. (Okay, maybe we are both wrong, but who cares? ;) )

  • May 10, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    christ....this movie was shit

    by jrbarker

    let's be honest about it. and it wasn't the "peter parker is a dork thing". that was the best part of the movie. it was everything else.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Was the "C" word really necessary, Harry?

    by obi-bear

    I can't imagine your lady appreciates that. Anyway, the review...Harry, I like your site, it provides a lot of yucks and you've got some ace contributors who provide some good sturdy reproting and well-rendered reviews [Mori and Q come to mind]...but you sir...I swear and speak inappropriatley as much as the next guy, but your potty mouth is making me blush these days...take it down a notch would ya, Bud? Anyways..here's my take on SM3...it wouldn't call it "silly" but it's definately a one-time view... First, I'll admit I'm not the biggest Spidey fan, but the first two were okay enough...number one had the baggage of being an "origin" film and it pulled that off quite well with a well-cast group of players and it relied on using the basic "superhero" movie template to good effect...the second one added some flair with a more interesting villain and took the whole story a step further. They both had action/set piece scenes that were built into the story, not just the "stop-the-story-it's-time-for-money-shot" variety that often happens in this genre of movie... Now we get to this new installment. Ugh. All the hoary cliché complaints that one can read in mainstream and various boards (including here) sadly apply...overlong, overblown, overstuffed and yet, thin on character interaction and development...and more. And the audience I saw it with was reacting negatively...inappropriate laughter, groaning, and heckling throughout. I actually thought the movie was going along fine for the first half, striking the same tone as the other two, but then it just started racing downhill at a good clip with it's funky final battle (those newscasters were cringe-inducing, momentum-destroying wastes!) until it sputtered out to it's teary, almost bleak ending. (Where was Dr. Phil to initiate the group hug?) My main impression was that the actors didn't care...the chemistry was gone or forced (Dunst was really awful [never sing again..PLEASE!]and Rosemary Harris looked slightly bewildered to be intoning basically the same thing while making the same cup of tea over & over again), the effects guys blew their wad early and didn't have time to finish rendering some of the major scenes (the whole "Godzilla meets Hulk meets Mummy" Sandman stuff at the end was particularly bad...and must we have yet another sequence of perfectly rendered destruction like crumbling buildings and falling debris where NO ONE on the crowded streets below gets hurt? I'm as capable as the next guy at suspending my disbelief but...enough already) and the script was just filled with too much reliance on convenient coincidences and lame plot devices to try and cover the lazy writing. (Screw the butler, I want to hear what the maid has to say!) There was some fun....Sandman's "birth" had a lyrical (if illogical) beauty to it, Simmons chews the scenery again as JJ, Ms. Howard displays a bit of old-style Hollywood glamour as Gwen and it was a nice touch to have some of the supporting players say and do more this time (the suddenly-soft landlord, the helpful professor, JJ's secretary)...but it was all undone by a stuttering pace, a badly executed script and leads that looked clearly uncomfortable and over it. This franchise needs a rest. Hopefully, if it returns in a few years it will be with some new blood and a new approach ala "Batman Returns" otherwise, I fear we'll be subjected to nipples and more good actors slumming for a paycheck in a simpering campfest. Let's hope not....

  • May 10, 2007, 2:03 a.m. CST

    The C word

    by Rupee88

    Damn so many of you are so politically correct. If the word fits, then say it..and Harry did.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Mary Jane getting fired from the musical.

    by Barry Egan

    The most glaring stupid plot hole for me was Mary Jane's getting fired from the high profile Broadway musical and Peter never finding out about it until she tells him late in the movie.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Do you realize how low your standards are at this point

    by Rupee88

    Every post that says they like like Spider-Man 3 also apologizes for it in some way. Or they say it is better than the even crappier superhero movies, so it must be good. Most every superhero movie so far has sucked...as pointed out, Wolverine fights women, Spider-Man can't keep his mask on, the Fantastic Four film is aimed squarely at 8 year olds, Elektra and Daredevil and Punisher were all total jokes. Superman Returns was terrible. Now if a film is the best of the worst, it is somehow acceptable. Sad state of affairs...

  • May 10, 2007, 2:06 a.m. CST

    You're a cunt, Harry.

    by pip1345

    Asshole. What a terrible word. Until you magically become a native Briton, you can't use that word without coming off as the loser you are.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Damnit Harry!

    by charlesgrodinsux

    I am one to defend you many, many times. But this time you got it all wrong. I'm so diappointed in you. The fact that you defend the choices made in this movie insults me. Raimi insulted me with this movie, and your review of it has insulted me. The script was shit, and characterization was serverly lacking. I know Raimi hated the Venom character, but what possesed him to rehash the fucking Dawson Creek crap with Peter/MJ again, and not focus on making Venom, Sandman, and Gwen better characters is beyond me. I think we all need to call Raimi out on this, and he needs to be chastized. He and Sony can't get away with this.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Harry

    by david19

    I was hoping maybe something you said might help me out with this movie. <P>It didnt. That was the worst review ever. Moriarty had it dead on. <P>Sam Raimi, I want answers. What happened?!

  • May 10, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST

    HARRY KNOWLES ........... YOU ARE LUCKY YOU REVIEWED S3

    by Red Dawn Don

    I had a scathing comment ..... about how you should tell your Yoko to climb off "BELLY MOUNTAIN" so you could then review Spidey-3. Although, I was not going to call her a "cunt". Since you now did S3, I will refrain from making the above comment. ***** SIDEBAR: HARRY NUMBER THESE COMMENTS.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Harry's BATMAN & ROBIN review - what a rave:

    by HEADGEEK

    Now for the film, the feature presentation. As the opening titles begin, it is as if every description of every screening I have heard of, were true. Extreme excitement. Shouting, Cheering, Celebrating. Then JOEL SHUMACHER's name falls upon the screen, and the sounds of BOOS fill the theater. Not one came from me or my friends. This came from the theater. As if some sort of cosmic Harry-spore had been injected into them. BOOS for the director, I'm not familiar with this phenomenon. Has this happened before' <BR><BR>Folks, I'm going to tell you to do something hideious, something against my better judgement, but I simply have to tell you to see BATMAN & ROBIN. Why' After all my screams of agony, of pain, or mistrust of Joel Schumacher' Because no matter how bad you have heard this film is, nothing can prepare you for the sheer glorius travesty of the 200-megaton bomb of a film this is. This film is so bad, so awful, so vanity ridden with horrible over the top performances, that nothing I can say, can prepare you for it. <BR><BR>You don't have to see it this weekend, in fact it's probably best if you didn't, but I suggest you see it during the week at some early matinee, or better yet a midnight show. Yes, this is a midnight movie. The sort of flick that cries out for vengence. Joel Schumacher should not under any possible circumstances direct another one. This film will fill you with disbelief and rage if you are a long standing BATMAN fan, if you aren't, you'll be bored. On the page before people mentioned Clockwork Orange and Max Headroom references, well there is even a BARBARELLA reference in here too. Do they cause a smile' More like a smirk. <BR><BR>However, the most shocking cameo I saw was something I couldn't believe. Did you ever see FLESH GORDON' No, not FLESH GORDON AND THE COSMIC CHEERLEADERS, but the original film, which I kinda like' Well, the spaceship that looks like a curved dildo that sparks away from the planet' I swear to god, that that is FREEZE's ship. My friend, and battle companion Glen, recognized it instantly and we turned and in unison said, "That's Flesh Gordon's Spaceship!!!" We smiled, shook our heads and continued to watch. <BR><BR>Who are the survivors of this, the worst Batman film' George Clooney manages to weather the storm with minor cuts and bruises. <BR><BR>Michael Gough seems to look like he actually is acting, despite the film around him. Everyone else is absolutely the worst they have ever been. <BR><BR>Arnold has never been in a film this bad and inconsistant in tone. HERCULES GOES BANANAS is at least somewhat balanced in tone. His performance if you could call it that, was TERRIBLE. He was the best of the TERRIBLE performances though. <BR><BR>UMA was so bad, so awful, my friend and I literally grabbed vainly in front off us, as if in some desperate hope to rip her violently off the screen. Get her out of the film, she is HORRENDOUS. Is it all her fault oooooooooh nooooooooooooooooo. <BR><BR>Eliot Goldenthal (with Schumacher's insistence I'm sure) came up with the BRILLIANT idea to put sleazy saxophone music as her theme. You know, did you see THE SPECIALIST' You know the shower scene, where Stallone and Stone begin making love and out of nowhere comes hurtling at our ears the terrible waning of out of tune saxophones screaming out. Well, they used saxophones much better in that, than in this. Her theme hurt not only an already terrible performance, but contaminates the rest of film too. <BR><BR>Ok, enough enough harping on the film, you want here what the audience did' Without some sort of speech from me, or a sign beneath the film saying RUN HOME RUN NOW!! They did that exactly. In almost perfect 5 minute intervals beginning at the 15 minute mark of the film they began their exodus. First unrelated individuals, then couples, then families. <BR><BR>My friend Glen pleaded, cried into my shoulder, "DAMMIT LET ME THE FUCK OUT HERE, I CAN'T HANDLE ANY MORE OF THIS!!" <BR><BR>Oh no, it wasn't gonna be that easy for him. He doesn't even think it's a bomb in the watchable sense, but then he hadn't seen SPEED 2 the week before. <BR><BR>To me, this is Star Trek 5. But let me explain that. This is a much worse film for the following reasons. Shatner had the budget cut by 40% during the course of filmmaking, Schumacher had the entire sources of one of the best studios behind him. He had a good script. He had the right cast. He destroyed this film. He directed the normally fun and enjoyable actors to act as if they were pumped up on amphetimines and chased it with exotic hallucinagens. These people are lost. <BR><BR>Only Clooney, Gough, and possibly O'Donnell (though he stunk up the room pretty bad) seem somewhat immune. Alicia, well, she's Alicia. <BR><BR>Kids were not excited by this film, often times SCREAMING could be heard. You know the sound a kid makes when a parent is forcing them to STAY IN THEIR SEAT. Hey what type of movie makes you wanna get out of your seat' When I was kid, watching those SUPERMAN films you couldn't pry me from my seat. In fact nothing could remove me from the theater. Even the worst of that series, doesn't begin to compare. Mr Fingernails would kick Arnold's ass any day of the week. As for female villians URSA and Catwoman would whoop IVY's rear (description of rear deleted for fear of offending those with less than adequate toned butts)!!! <BR><BR>This film has that, oh how do I do this' Ok, here I go. "Oh WOW that's kinda.. AWW MAN THAT SUCKS!!!" You see what I'm getting at' You almost get the thought out that something you glimpsed on screen was cool, then instantly without reason that coolness is jerked away and replaced with a hidieous wormy Uma voice. Her voice. <BR><BR>Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. This voice could scare men out of the trenches in a war. The defense department should study it. The voice would make a straight guy go gay, I heard that after the screening from an anonymous source. <BR><BR>Speaking of after the film, the casualty victims, the audience, stood in front of the theater with stunned looks of disbelief. You know that look on people's faces in ATOMIC CAFE' The survivors of Hiroshima' I saw that stare again. The pain. The agony. The wish to make it all go away. The masochist in me loved it. I had attended a train wreck and sat third row center. Far more effective than the one in THE FUGITIVE this is what I saw. This is honest. I love Batman, I was even wearing a BATMAN & ROBIN tie to the screening. I didn't try to convince anyone this film was going to be awful. Instead I was like WANG in BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA. You know, "I've got a real positive feeling about this." I did, it's true. I had resolved myself to watching the 60's Adam West Batman series brought to life with the full cooperation of Hollywood. What I saw, can not be explained. Why do people make ugly things' Is it stupidity, is it ignorance I don't know. Maybe this film is beautiful in a Ed Wood way. Maybe Schumacher is like that kindergarten child with fingerpaints doing portraits of mommy and daddy. When you see those fingerpaints you say, ooooh Joel, that's nice, but inside you look at the indiscenable mixtures of colors forming vague shapes and wonder what the hell your kid was thinking. You put it on the fridge, and then one day it's in the closet being eaten by roaches and rats. This is that film. The one that gathers dust and fades away. Let it fade.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:19 a.m. CST

    charlesgrodinsux

    by Rupee88

    "He and Sony can't get away with this." They did get away with and will profit handsomely from it thanks to all you jerkoffs who bought tickets. I downloaded it from Usenet and didn't contribute to the problem like you did.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Cant believe people getting upset about "Cunt"

    by bongo123

    you must all be americans, us brits use cunt on an almost daily basis without fear of attack from birds or the political correct squad. As for Spiderman 3, i loved it, not as good as 2, better than 1 and fuck me do i love the those stupid dancey bits halfway through, that pointy dance through newyork was pure class and keeps the film from taking itself to seriously and provides some welcome comedy

  • May 10, 2007, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Excuses are like A$$holes...

    by evilnerd72

    everybody has one. Man I'm in the AD business. And nobody cares about the reasons why a commercial or AD sucks. "It was the clients fault", "the budget was to low", "the product was bad"......etc etc. Harry, nobody gives a shit. The only thing that counts is the outcome. Summa summarum: Spiderman was crappy film.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Nerds are funny.

    by fluffybunnywhiskers

    You guys all think MJ should die but its a statement as to how bad you dudes are with women... Spider Man kissed that Gwen chick in front of her for no real reason. She said she could handle Peter risking his life, not sucking tongue with another woman. So to blame MJ for being attracted to Harry afterwards after she WATCHED PETER CHEAT ON HER and then basically IGNORE HE DID IT... combine that with the fact she KNEW HARRY, WENT OUT WITH HIM BEFORE and he was being more caring for her than Peter was at the time... you can't blame her. And if you do, you're just a moron that doesn't understand women or the human psyche at all anyway... yeah, the Russian chick is cute and all but whatever, MJ doesn't deserve to die and you morons that say she does are pretty disgusting. What the hell makes nerds them think compulsive thoughts that other people, even if they are fictitious, should drop dead is healthy? It's not, buddies. It's okay to root for a bad guy to get owned by a hero, but to pray that some innocent girl in a movie gets killed is fucking twisted and doesn't make you cool or a badass, it makes you a disgusting fuck.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    HARRY POSTED A REPLY ............. ONE COMMENT BELOW ME

    by Red Dawn Don

    Does the mean I am FIRST-MINUS-2 in some form. ***** Just yanking the FIRST posters chains. ***** I hate FIRST proclaimers and so do their wives/lovers/blow-up dolls/hand. Whatever they use to get off.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Carnage will be forced into SM4...

    by UltimaRex

    And will turn out to be... Gwen Stacy! Come on, she's in Doc Conners class, has reason to hate Spider-man "You killed my boyfriend!" and SHE ISN'T DEAD YET. Remember, you heard it here first.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Just when I thought Harry is the least reviewer on aicn

    by Zompar Usilon

    to fall in with, I have to realize I totally agree with him on this one. In every point. Dead on Harry. This film would be terrific without that whole Venom plot. And I always disliked Harry O. in the previous movies, and now finally he is a real "character". Harry hui!! Venom pfui!!

  • May 10, 2007, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    No, I've not stopped. Not even close. In fact, SM3 has made me even more rabid. Peter Jackson for JLA! Peter Jackson for JLA! Peter Jackson for JLA!...

  • May 10, 2007, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Remember the "biological/mechanical webshooters" thing?

    by Primus

    How much heat Sam Raimi took for going the biological route? Sometimes these poeple get it right, and he definitely got the biological thing right. Wonder what we would be saying now if they were making Spidey 1? BIOLOGICAL WEBSHOOTERS = FLAMES ON OPTIMUS Or some such thing. Anyways, I agree with Harry here - it was good fun, just one villain too many.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Let's be honest; It's a Train Wreck.

    by LuminousBeing

    The film, despite what everybody thinks about the dance scene, or the Saturday Night Fever Scene, or the J.Jonah Jameson buying a camera scene, is a total, utter train wreck. And I don't mean like "Oh man, did you fucking hear about the train wreck? Lot's a people got fucked up!" I mean like, a true train wreck; cars (or parts of the whole) are all jumbled up and out of place; there is NO pacing, there is NO balance, and there is NO sanity to this movie. Harry, you oughta start REVIEWING the FILMS...not telling us about the motivations of the characters. I don't care if you have the deepest characters ever...it don't work in a film that fucked up. And the Butler? "I know you haven't ever seen me before, and I know I'm COMPLETELY OUT OF PLACE, but uh, yeah, shoulda told you a couple years ago...but, yeah...you're wrong. I'll just...go fade off into Bolivia now."

  • May 10, 2007, 2:46 a.m. CST

    And Too Many Fucking Plotlines!

    by LuminousBeing

    Streamline your fucking movies, Sam Raimi. Spiderman 3 was fatter'n hell. Put that ho on a diet.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Get down to Fightin' Weight!

    by LuminousBeing

    'Nuff Said.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Well i'm afraid I kinda liked it....

    by moobit

    I agree it seemed rushed in places, but we had a blast watching it, all I want now is the Bruce-ster in IV as the Chameleon/Mysterio...would be and ace bit of continuity, the fact that he's always been there in the background watching and waiting for the opportune moment to make his move...

  • May 10, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Well i'm afraid I kinda liked it....

    by moobit

    I agree it seemed rushed in places, but we had a blast watching it, all I want now is the Bruce-ster in IV as the Chameleon/Mysterio...would be and ace bit of continuity, the fact that he's always been there in the background watching and waiting for the opportune moment to make his move...

  • May 10, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    As a Venom fan of almost 20 yrs, Venom was perfect!

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Venom was spot on with his comics counterpart... in fact, many aspects were BETTER than the comics! The relationship between Peter and Brock was sooooo much better in the movie than in the comics. Peter deliberately ruins Brock's career by proving Brock faked the pic. Peter takes Gewn on a date, even tho she's Eddie's girl... sorta. In the comics, all Spidey did was catch the real killer of Jean DeWolfe. Because he did that, Eddie's pulitzer prize attempt was proven to be just the fabrication of a compulsive confessor. Both in the comics and the movie Brock is a whiny little egotist, who, when the "get-fame-quick" scheme fails, blames everyone but himself for his downfalls. Sorry, but the proof is out there, all in ASM 300. As for Raimi cruelly under-developing Venom, well, he put in everything from ASM 300 to the cartoon, even made Venom more faithful (both in look and story) to the comics than any other villain in a SM movie, yet people still complained. Also, for those that hated Venom's voice, Topher's voice goes deeper and has a slight reverb as Venom, which in my opinion works better than the Transformer-like voice used in the cartoon. The screeching was a bit annoying, but Raimi had to do something with that big mouth. Basically, Venom fans should be kissing Raimi for his faithful adaptation! Fans of Green Goblin and Doc Ock were the ones who truly got ignored.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST

    W3bzpinn3r

    by fluffybunnywhiskers

    He didn't talk in plural though, which was always fun with the character... We are Venom should have been stuck in there somewhere.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    The size of this talkback...

    by Brody77

    ..says it all. Thank god I didn't pay to see this rancid turd of a film. I love Raimi, always have - but now I've finally seen a film of his that I hate with a passion. I will NEVER watch SM3 again. The entire black suit/venom plot (I use that word loosely) is the obvious reason thios flick failed. Also, casting someone as hot as BDH for Gwen, pointing out even more just how bloody ugly Snaggletooth is! Seriously, who cast her as MJ? Did they ever read the comics? Topher Grace was terrible, which surprised me, as I have no problem hating the guy in that 70's show. Maguire seemed extremely bored all through the film, and the Emo bit would have had me walk out the cinema. The piano playing jazz club bit? It was like I'd stepped into Coyote Ugly! I think Blade 3 really did herald the death knell for superhero movies. FF2 will be awful, SM3 was awful, Ghost Rider had Nic Cage, X3? Don't start me. Marvel seems to have now fallen into the realm of "missed opportunities". DC aren't faring much better though - Superman Returns was pointless, and (waits for flaming) Batman Returns, while really quite good, just seemed like a montage to me - there was no flow in that whole film. But having seen other Nolan films, I think that's just his style.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    good points, Boromir187

    by SAVOIR_faire

    Saving Brock for the next would be cool, methinks. As well as going back in time and casting BDH as MJ...

  • May 10, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Terrible review.

    by deanamatronix

    But what more could we expect from a studio shill like Harry Knowles?

  • May 10, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    harry you pussy

    by omega786

    lost so much respect for you Harry over the years. You're like a new film magazine that's hot on the heels of fans and so tuned in but with all the fandom becomes a critic emulating in it's own faecus. To put it simply plain... Spiderman 3 was shit. Thank God you still have Moriarty who is carrying this website.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:13 a.m. CST

    SPIDER-MAN: THE TRAGIC BLUES MUSICAL

    by skynetbauxi

    mann, es muss schrecklich sein, superkräfte zu haben... nehmen wir nur mal diesen Peter Parker... anfangs war er ein ziemlicher loser, von allen ausgelacht, tollpatschig, hoffnungslos verliebt in MJ... aber eigentlich hatte er es ganz gut, verglichen mit dem, was dann kam... er bekam zwar extreme kraft, super-reflexe, annähernde unverwundbarkeit und alle möglichen anderen coolen fähigkeiten... aber nicht dass ihm das irgendwie geholfen hätte, nein... zuerst setzte er seine kräfte verantwortungslos ein, wodurch er noch mehr zum außenseiter wurde... dann wurde er überheblich, wodurch sein onkel starb... er musste lernen, dass er niemanden (nicht mal MJ) wirklich an sich heran lassen durfte, weil er diesen menschen dadurch in gefahr bringen würde... als nächstes verließen ihn seine kräfte, und als er sich gerade damit abfinden wollte, fühlte er sich wieder mies, weil er niemandem mehr helfen konnte... außerdem hatte er noch den vater seines besten freundes (mehr oder weniger) auf dem gewissen... und weil das noch nicht genug war, lassen wir ihn die ganze onkel-mord-rache-geschichte nochmal durchleben, MJ total vernachlässigen, zum totalen arsch werden, in seiner symbiote-abhängigkeit das leben eines konkurrierenden fotografen zerstören... und schließlich opfert auch noch sein bester freund (den er vorher nebenbei auch noch entstellt hat) sein leben für Peter... dass er sich noch nicht an seinem eigenen spinnen-faden aufgehängt hat, ist ein wunder... jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Sam... wir verstehen dich eh... du willst um alles in der welt bloß keinen dümmlichen action-film drehen... eh brav... aber kann diese arme sau von Spider-Man denn nicht ENDLICH mal ein BISSCHEN spaß an seinem super-spider-leben haben?!? ein film wie SPIDER-MAN 3 hat ja absolut seine daseinsberechtigung... aber bitte als MITTELTEIL einer trilogie, wo alles düster und scheiße für den helden ist... und in meinen augen hätte SPIDER-MAN 2 diese rolle bestens erfüllt, denn recht viel düsterer und beschissener (für den helden) hätte ich es in einem franchise wie SPIDER-MAN gar nicht unbedingt gebraucht... und in SPIDER-MAN 3 hätte es dann wieder bergauf gehen können... Spidey endlich als ausgebackener, selbstsicherer superheld, der seine kräfte darauf konzentrieren kann, die bösewichte zur strecke zu bringen... von mir aus kann er ja sogar noch einen kleinen anfall von egozentrik haben, sich deshalb mit MJ zerkrachen und schließlich etwas daraus lernen, wär ja okay, und der emotionalen tiefe wäre ausreichend gedient... aber bei all den qualen, die Raimi den armen PP durchlaufen lässt, könnte man ja fast meinen, er mag Spider-Man nicht... wobei... vielleicht tu ich Sam auch unrecht... es ist ja bekannt, dass er Venom ursprünglich nicht in seinem film haben wollte und die figur nur auf studio-"anraten" hin schließlich doch eingebaut hat... somit ist auch die ganze drogensucht-metapher mit dem schwarzen kostüm eigentlich nicht auf Raimi's mist gewachsen... weil ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass old-school-Spidey-villain-fan Raimi den symbionten von sich aus in den film gebracht hätte... naja, und ohne die ganze black-costume-gaudi wäre der film wohl schon mal (nicht nur farblich) um einiges weniger düster geworden... die einzigen wirklich Raimi-seitigen kritikpunkte, die ich an SPIDER-MAN 3 habe, sind... 1. ok, Peter vergibt Flint Marko... aber dass er ihn einfach so gehen/fliegen lässt?? was passiert jetzt? raubt Sandman weiter banken aus? oder wie oder wat? ach ja, und wie kann ein sandmann weinen??? 2. ein bisschen zu viele musical-szenen vielleicht?? vor allem diese "let's twist again"-kochszene... wozu sehen wir einen close-up von paprika in der pfanne und schmelzender butter??? hat das irgendeine tiefere bedeutung, die ich nicht verstanden habe?? 3. wieso wird ausgerechnet die foto-anhänger-kette von Marko's tochter nicht versandifiziert? seine gürtelschnalle ist auch aus metall, und die wird auch... alle anderen probleme, die der film hat, lassen sich eigentlich auf den symbionten zurückführen, und deshalb bin ich der festen überzeugung, dass Raimi einen tausendmal unterhaltsameren und weniger depressiven film gemacht hätte, wenn ihm Sony nicht reingequatscht hätte... ich meine, Venom an sich ist absolut cool... aber Raimi war einfach der falsche regisseur dafür... nicht weil er schlecht wäre... sondern ich denke, dass die black-costume-story an sich schon so düster ist, dass sie durch den Raimi-tiefgründigkeits-und-anspruchs-filter einfach viel zu un-unterhaltsam wurde... und ich finde es extrem schade, dass sie sich Venom nicht für einen weiteren teil und einen mehr action-unterhaltungs-orientierten regisseur aufgehoben haben... Raimi ist einfach genial mit den alten villains, die ihm selber auch taugen... sein schräger, skurriler horror-satire-style passt einfach zu figuren wie dem Goblin, Doc Ock oder auch Sandman... aber Venom ist viel zu sci-fi-action-comic für Raimi... und es wundert mich nicht, dass er unter diesen umständen einfach keinen besseren film machen konnte... man spürt einfach, dass ihn diese ganze Venom-sache überhaupt nicht gezaht hat... und was lernen wir daraus? man soll kreativen genies einfach nicht dreinquatschen! denn genies sind nur so lange genies, wie sie etwas machen, das sie lieben, das sie verstehen, das sie inspiriert... mein gesamt-gefühl bei SPIDER-MAN 3 ist ähnlich wie bei ALIEN³... genialer regisseur, eigentlich ziemlich geiler film, sie story ist nicht SCHLECHT in dem sinn, sondern es passieren einfach nur dinge, die ich mir ganz anders gewünscht hätte... was ja prinzipiell nicht unbedingt etwas schlechtes wäre, weil so spielt das leben nun mal... aber man spürt bei diesen filmen einfach den einfluss der studio-unkreativität... ich hoffe nur, dass SPIDER-MAN 4 mindestens ALIEN: RESURRECTION wird... ach ja, und da ist ja noch dieses stückchen symbiont, das Dr. Connors hat... Venom? CARNAGE?? *hoff*

  • May 10, 2007, 3:13 a.m. CST

    well..

    by TimMighty

    ..if Harry liked it...he liked it. Anyway you should have gone to full review mode...i mean wtf ? That wasnt even a real review...a explanation at most. Tal111- i laughed hard man :-) Bring on Ironman...Ironman will rule..youll see.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST

    skynetbauxi

    by TimMighty

    what the...? is that german ?

  • May 10, 2007, 3:17 a.m. CST

    TimMighty

    by skynetbauxi

    hey, you recognized it! ;-) believe it or not, there are a few people out there who speak that strange language *g*

  • May 10, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    who the fuck is william dafoe?

    by Windowlicker74

    WILLEM, and don't call this a typo. what a stupid ass review btw.. dorky dark? googly? wtf?

  • May 10, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST

    new member

    by lostfaith

    I've been with this site since 01. Ever since highschool I've defended this place. I'm a big Kevin smith fan which is what drew me here. But WTF? After watching this garbage and then seeing you defend it? I created an account just to say I'm done... I've lost faith in what made me youre loyal fan. Please give me reason to come back Harr.y

  • May 10, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Spot on

    by Subovon

    I just feel the same way about this film. I like how Raimi brought out the camera work he used on Darkman. Sure, it's a little rusty, but some of those action sequences... wow. And I agree that Sandman is the coolest villain in the series, it's just a shame he has so little screen time to act. That dude can act. Let's hope the 2.0 version contains all his deleted scenes - which, I hope, exist.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    What!!?? theres another language used that's not

    by bongo123

    English!!!? bloody cheek of it..

  • May 10, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Gawd

    by Samson_K

    'That fucking Black Canaray - running about with her boots and fishnets - soon as you go near her she fucking melts your car with her sonic scream - teasing little whore'

  • May 10, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    POSTER SKYNETBAUXI ............................ A REPLY

    by Red Dawn Don

    You wrote: [hey, you recognized it! ;-) believe it or not, there are a few people out there who speak that strange language *g*] ***** Yes and if Corporal Hitler had his way, we would all be speaking that gutter-ial garbage. Maybe in Spidey-10, Peter Parker's alter-ego can go back in time and kick Hitlers butt. Naw, I guess Hitler went out in the right fashion at his bunker. Just 20 years too late.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Seriously

    by Samson_K

    Harry, Harry, Harry - what????? I'm sorry but I really can't take a review seriously when you start off with a mysoginistic rant about MJ and Lois Lane. Seriously the swear word cunt is very funny and acceptable unless it's used in that slightly creepy spiteful way that you used it about two comic book characters. However that aside I thought the film was a series of great moments - the first fight, the birth of Sandman, Peter and the grenade attack on Harry and more that were all lost in a sea of sub standard soap opera crap! A criticism that I have launched at the first two. The scripts have fixated on the whole - angst part of Spidey but almost completely ignored the fun aspects of Spidey. I do agree that the Errol Flynn style banter is sorely missing. I think that Venom, a character I know nothing about really - was wasted, criminally so, and all the worries that I had when it was announced that there were three villains came to fruition. Thank fuck they didn't use the Sinister Six

  • May 10, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    it was a test of endurance!

    by disco5tu

    One villain too many?... ...one hour too many more like!

  • May 10, 2007, 3:43 a.m. CST

    There are more flaws in Spidey 3 than just

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    the Venom part: lengthiness, many crappy CGI shots, silly crying scenes, boring showdown, etc. etc.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Red Dawn Don

    by skynetbauxi

    wow, you're a real intellectual one, eh? german speaking people = Hitler? yeah, and english speaking people = Native Americans eradicators, right? and insulting foreign languages? reeeal coool, dude! I'll tell you one thing: my native language is german, and I easily learned to speak english in addition to german, because english is really simple compared to pretty much every other language on the planet. so instead of insulting my language, why don't you try and learn any foreign language first? but why would you? anything outside the USA is irrelevant anyway, right?

  • May 10, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    U GUYS ARENT REAL SPIDEY FANS...THIS IS WHY!

    by Oyinlomo

    I have read most of the above reviews and i agree and disagree with some points mentioned. I wont dabble into these points,instead i would raise a totally different topic.Does anyone on this site remember CARNAGE? the red venom so to speak.the fact that venom burns to death leaving red speckles,didnt it ring a bell to any of you lads? Venom is a great character because he is unpredictable,daft yet stronger than spiderman because of his rage.(answer for harry)

  • May 10, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    I am sick and FUCKING TIRED

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    of that Germany is still regarded as Hitler-country -- 62 fucking years after WW2 ended! This is fucking retarded, annoying and pissing me off.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Would have worked so much better without...

    by Smerph

    Sandman and the dumb amnesia story... My hasty rewrite: Everything is going well for Parker although he's getting rather smug and annoying (as in the movie). Harry has disappeared since the events of Part2 and Peter has no idea where he is. At about the 30 minute mark, Harry resurfaces and bribes MJ into dumping Peter as part of his grand revenge sheme. Peter is infected by the symbiote and goes on a rampage of s3x, drugs and rock and roll (rather than cheesy dancing) and making Eddie Brock's life a misery. Harry appears as the New Goblin and they have an almighty smackdown (60 mins). As in the movie, Peter blows him up and scars him. Realising what he's done, he gets rid of the symbiote and tries to apologise to Harry in hospital who isn't having any of it. Eddie is infected by the symbiote and becomes Venom and startes roundly kicking Spidey's @rse. Eventually, Peter realises that he's not going to beat Venom on his own and tries to persuade Harry (who's on the road to recovery) to help him beat Venom. He's not keen and Spidey goes off to fight Venom...He's about to be killed when Harry appears, saves the day...and promptly dies.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by GrandpaUlrira

    That was a half-decent review.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:54 a.m. CST

    harry please

    by mattythelionheart

    i made an account just to respond to this review. who paid you off? even though i am a big fan of venom, my problems with this movie are beyond that. all this movie offered was a bunch of great special effects instead of a decent plot. if raimi wanted to put in sandman, fine! just let him be somewhat like the comics instead of a guy who desires to kill spider man and then says he is sorry for killing his uncle and then blowing away. does anybody remember the whole plot to gwen stacy in the first place? she was parker's first love, only after he got over her death was he able to love mary jane. granted, this movie took a different turn, but there was no character development and i left the theater feeling empty and pissed off. excuse my ranting, i am a bit drunk

  • May 10, 2007, 3:57 a.m. CST

    um..ahem..I liked the butler....

    by Carl's hat

    and The Sandman's music was so cool in the way it evoked the feeling of old sci-fi/ classic monster movies from the 30's, 40's and 50's.

  • May 10, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Oyinlomo

    by skynetbauxi

    even though it's in german, check out the next to last word of my review above... it says CARNAGE ;-) but I think it would be better of Dr. Connors created Carnage out of his symbiote piece and Spidey's blood, like he does in the comic books.

  • May 10, 2007, 4:16 a.m. CST

    I understand the need to defend...

    by Sundaycall1

    A franchise despite the latest entry taking a wrong step. I've done it myself. Hell I did it with X3 and Terminator 3. I loved both series to the point of denial when the latest installments came out. Sure there were things to enjoy and praise, but considering what had come before and the sheer potential for those movies and this movie you can't excuse aa fumble like this in the long term. Can you? It's hard to admit that a beloved film-maker like Sam Raimi has fucked up. That the script was not great. That Marvel really don't know how to handle their properties anymore. But it's looking more and more like that. And believe us Harry, a lot of the guys kickin this movie round aren't closet haters of the first 2. A lot of us are big fans that are disappointed, and the criticism may seem harsh but there's a great deal of good points being banded about. Lastly, did the Goblin design from the first movie bother you so much that in your mind it outweighs all the fauts in the third film to the point where it gains your favour over the highly enjoyable original?

  • May 10, 2007, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Right On Red Dawn Don

    by Samson_K

    You know something else? Those fucking Romans - hate them to. If Colonel Caesar had his way we'd all be speaking Latin, wearing short skirts, walking along very, very straight roads and eating incredibly rich food! Bastards - after Spidey 10 I think they should have Spidey going back and kicking Caesars butt. And don't get me started on the Vandals, the Goths or the bastarding Golden Horde

  • May 10, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Osborn's Houseman

    by skynetbauxi

    BTW, Bernard (I think that's his name) the butler has been in all 3 SPIDER-MAN movies... he didn't just "appear out of nothing"

  • May 10, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Samson_K

    by skynetbauxi

    lol

  • May 10, 2007, 4:41 a.m. CST

    I've always felt the "demasking" was Raimi's

    by Gilkuliehe

    I remember reading/watching stuff where he admitted wanting to see Peter's face all the time to add emotion. He even said he wanted a mask that showed Peter's eyes. That's why we got that first "ninja" suit on the first movie, and why he kept tearing the mask up in the ending. I thought the same thing happened here... At the point of being silly.

  • May 10, 2007, 4:49 a.m. CST

    73|-|

    by Kragmose

    73|-| \/\/1|\|

  • May 10, 2007, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Check the trailer...

    by Mr Gorilla

    Remember how after watching the disappointment that was 'Star Wars Episode 1', you looked back at that final trailer and thought 'now THAT was the movie I wanted to see'? Well I feel the same way about Spider-Man 3. Check out TRAILER 1. The movie that this trailer hints at is GREAT. Peter seems to be facing real choices. He has the balck costume - but there's no Venom (maybe that could have been set up then come in properly in Spider-Man 4?). And just when you think things are getting stressful... THAT'S when the New Goblin shows up. (After teh end of Spidey 2 audiences will have been waiting for this to happen - best to play on the suspense and make them wait a bit more, instead of blowing it in the first action sequence.) In contrast to the brilliant TRAILER 1, look at TRAILER 2. That showcases something closer to the confused mess we actually got.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST

    i pretty much agree...

    by Obscura

    ...with everything Harry said, but i still think the movie is pretty terrible, and i do place the blame on the fact they forced venom into it. Venom is a big story... that took an entire saga of its own to tell correctly. you cant have that sharing screen time with 2 other villans. Sandman and Vulture would have been amazing. Lizard and Kravan would be amazing. I even think Venom (alone) would have been amazing. they tried too much and it fell in on itself. There are also some frustratingly simple errors in this movie that make things far too complex. it could have been one of the best action films ever. instead its the weakest of the 3

  • May 10, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST

    I think most of you are lame.

    by fluffybunnywhiskers

    The third was bad storytelling but fun... yeah. Comic book movies are usually hardly works of art. When you compare comic book movies to real world movies that deal with things that matter more in the long run, comic books should just be fairly intelligent and done with maturity, but fun above anything else. Why? Because they're fucking comic books, people. I would gladly watch the third over the first two any day despite its writing flaws (and I am a writer...) because it's more fun to watch than either of the first two. I understand the rest of you are disappointed, but the sheer hatred that you guys are showing is hilarious. Not despicable, not surprising, just hilarious.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:20 a.m. CST

    fluffybunnywhiskers

    by Samson_K

    I don't really see an awful lot of hate just disappointment that it wasn't a better film. I also don't understand the whole concept of comic book films not being able to be works of art. They are fantasy based tales but that didn't stop Lord of the Rings from being made into something that resembled art. Obviously there are some haters - but where would we be without the little bile filled scamps?

  • May 10, 2007, 5:21 a.m. CST

    the Sandoman music was great

    by CuervoJones

    Ande Spiderman 3 is as bad and as good as the other Spiderman movies.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:21 a.m. CST

    "Be-little"?? Jesus Harry, learn to write.

    by Nabster

    Seriously man, reading your reviews is shameful.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Yea Harry way wrong on the demasking aspect

    by Nabster

    Since Raimi claims after the first movie, Spidey talked too much with his mask on. Raimi believed spidey talking with his mask on simply did not work.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:27 a.m. CST

    The film was still ridiculously cheesy and a mess.

    by Blarney-Man

    It was embarrassing to watch in spots, and not for the dancing Peter. More for the mascara and bad acting. The film was riddled with contrivances that were lazy and the script never got going. It stumbled through scenes with half-assed motivation. I'm sorry, guys. It was a huge disappointment considering how good Part 2 was.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:27 a.m. CST

    This-

    by Bruce Leroy

    Needs fresh blood to continue properly. New cast, new director, hell even a new score composer. Danny Elfman's theme is getting tired (yeah i know Christopher Young did the last one). This film is just bad. Why are so many people trying to give this film a free pass? Just because it's Spider-man? That is exactly the reason it should't get one. This movie should have rocked the cinema's. Actually it did with the audience i saw it with. People were laughing AT the movie. Others just walked out. What a shame...

  • May 10, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    FluffyBunnyWhiskers

    by Sundaycall1

    The goal of all good movies, whether they're comic book movies or not, should be to tell a good coherent story. If they don't then the best accolade they can achieve is that of spectacle. Spectacle doesn't usually stand the test of time(after five years it's hard to revisit specacle and feel the same exiliration you did upon first viewing), but good stories do, and that's what people take home with them. That what fans of the source material hold dear and as a writer you should know better than to sacrifice charcter, narrative and resolution in favour of spectacle. Just because you may not hold the source material in high regard does not mean it's alright to be lazy in these core areas of storytelling. That's why Batman Begins is an admirable piece of cinema and Batman Forever is much maligned.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:34 a.m. CST

    This one time.......(a story about using "cunt")

    by ConanBaltar

    My best friend Josh had known each other for about a year. Then we both met this girl Eva at around the same time. I dated her informally for the summertime, and then I broke it off. Then Josh asks me if he could date her (after I find out they had made-out). So what's a guy to do? If I say 'no', they'll get together behind my back and resent me. So I say 'yes'. So they begin to date. Fast forward like eight months, and they've become hot and heavy. "I love you" becomes a common phrase between them. All the while, I'm souring to Eva cause she's a closet sociopath with (more than likely) a personality disorder. So we all go on Spring Break this year to Destin with a bunch of people. So, one day, Eva and I get into an argument. After she left, I told one of my other friends that she was a CUNT. This was a big mistake because later Josh tells me that he almost kicked my ass whenever he found out. He also said that our friendship was over. I was all like "okay, but I probably should have said bitch, not cunt". But it made no difference: a cunt got between me and my best friend, and now it's all over. So, my friends, lesson learned: NEVER CALL A GIRL A CUNT. Not worth it. Not worth it, at all.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST

    What? The butler is in #1 and #2??

    by BenBraddock

    It's true - according to IMDB.. can't say I recall him at all, did he speak?

  • May 10, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST

    My review

    by Blarney-Man

    I saw Spider-man 3 on Friday night and I've been completely uninspired to write a decent review of it since. Simply said the film is a mess. It is both thrilling and appalling in equal measure and it's hard to formulate an accurate criticism without doing a disservice to the other side. <p> Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire) has finally found a balance in his life, between his relationship with Mary-Jane (Kisten Dunst) and his responsibility as Spider-Man. However, more challenges arise for Peter. His best friend Harry Obsorn (James Franco) is seeking revenge against him; taking up the mantle of his dead father's persona as The New Goblin. Peter is also on the hunt for his beloved Uncle Ben's real killer in Flint Marko (Thomas Haden Church), who through an accident involving a particle accelerator is transformed into the Sandman. Adding to Peter's troubles is an alien symbiote which has taken control of him and affects his personality, drawing out his dark side, and driving a wedge between him and the ones he loves. However, when the alien symbiote attaches itself to Eddie Brock (Topher Grace), a deceitful rival of Peter's at the Daily Bugle, a new foe is born in Venom. To overcome all obstacles Peter has to reach deep within himself and find the hero he once was and face not only his greatest enemies, but also himself. <p> So, what's there to say? Well, the action is incredible, intense and beautifully rendered and blows away anything that's come before it in the franchise. Unfortunately, the script propping up these action beats is clunky and uneven. Scenes are rushed and awkwardly delivered and the plot relies on enough coincidences to have the writers of Lost seeking a writers credit. Overall the story is hankered by too much going on and in the process to service such a dense plot the characters and pacing suffer. <p> Another major letdown is the dreadfully cheesy score from (newcomer) Christopher Young. His hackneyed fanfares heralding iconic characters like Sandman and Venom compromise the whole picture and are wholly risible. Let's face it, Spider-man never had a great theme but boy what he had you miss in Part 3. The film is scored like a campy Saturday serial on the sci-fi channel and at times you wonder whether that was (director) Sam Raimi's intention. <p> For instance, the idea to put mascara on Peter Parker to highlight his evil alter-ego and have him wear his hair like an '80s pop star looking like the spitting image for the base player of Fall Out Boy turns the whole film into a campy farce. Other ideas, like the one to have a British reporter narrate the final fight scene like a bad sportscaster are cringe-worthy. The constant crying scenes too have you wondering if the creatives in charge spent too much time watching the final season of The OC during production. Every character breaks down and cries in this film at least once and it wears thin after awhile, especially when we don't even get to see the mascara run on Peter's cheeks. Only in the movies, huh? <p> So, go see it. You'll laugh intentionally and unintentionally. There is plenty of wonderful moments peppered throughout and a few inspired choices raise the film above its ultimate worth but it still isn't a patch on the second film. It may have some amazing action, brilliant photography and great performances, from Kirsten Dunst especially, but its lumbered with a big "but" which has to be seen, to be scoffed at. The film may be a bit shit but it still smells of roses.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Fluffy makes sense

    by SAVOIR_faire

    I mean, there's talking about how a flick might have worked better (and everyone here has their own fix, as you can see... some fixes contradict others: 'NO VENOM!' 'ONLY VENOM', etc) And then there's just juvenile obsession, name-calling and backseat screenwriting. If you want pros to respect your opinions, give them with some class. A few of you have it, the rest...?

  • May 10, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Where's the intelligence that was in Spider-Man 1 &2

    by BenBraddock

    That's what bugged me with #3, it's like, after all the effort put into the first two films to be smart and entertaining (and more or less true to source), they just thought, "Ah the hell with it, the hell with intelligence!" Hence the disastrous third part. Everyone I talk to dislikes it - except for their kids who all love it. 'Nuff said...

  • May 10, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    This isn't England, and Harry isn't English.

    by Bronx Cheer

    So, no, it's not okay. Hey, it's certainly his choice. He can use whatever words he likes. But there's something called manners. I heard Brits are known for that as well. So why is it that here in Talkbacks where society breaks down?

  • May 10, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST

    THAT'S ONE BAD HAT HARRY!

    by Colonel_Blimp

    Yes, I'm talking about the SM3-apologist hat you're wearing. Look, I love the Romita/Ditko comics as much as anyone, but the fact remains you are seeing things in this movie that you want to see, but in reality aren't there. Don't even try to tell me that MJ being annoying, or Venom being underdeveloped is some sort of counter-narrative brilliance from Raimi's part. Of course we're supposed to want her and Pete to end up together, rather than hope she falls out of the taxi in the end. We're supposed to shed tears at the bridge scene, not squirm in our seats. "As a non-Venom fan, Raimi perfectly illustrated how stupid Venom is to us people that don’t like Venom." Good on you, Harry, way to pat your own back and letting Raimi off the hook. Cause how can a director make a stupid character work, right? Raimi probably even did it on purpose, right? He's that much of a subtle genius that he made Venom come out bad just to prove a point for those damn meddling executives. And the point isn't whether Parker is a dork or a geek or whatever, the point is that his lines are badly written and even worse delivered, his motivations are contrived, and our sympathy for the character is waning, and Peter Parker comes across not as a dork, but as retarded (and I mean retarded as in not posessing the correct number of chromosomes). This movie is lazy craftmanship from beginning to end, poorly written and directed, and the people involved should know better. And so should you, Harry. Your review is worse than the movie. Shame.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:54 a.m. CST

    BenBraddock

    by skynetbauxi

    saw SPIDER-MAN 2.1 yesterday (great extended cut, btw) and yes, the butler does have a line in it! I was totally surprised myself, because I'd never noticed him before... and I still can't quite remember him in SPIDER-MAN... must have been in the scene where Norman is found unconscious in his apartment, I guess

  • May 10, 2007, 6:01 a.m. CST

    intelligence in 1 & 2

    by skynetbauxi

    I was thinking the exact same thing while watching 2.1 yesterday... there's so much intelligently fun dialogue (especially between Peter, Otto and his wife), and the same feeling never really arises in 3... still, after seeing 2.1 I felt that the third one must be far more pleasant to watch right after the second one... SPIDER-MAN 3 just doesn't work very well seen separately, but I guess it works as part of the whole trilogy

  • May 10, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST

    skynetbauxi

    by TimMighty

    ..yeah there are a lot of other languages and you would be suprised wie gut ich deutsch kann du Harz4vollspast es passt einfach hier nicht rein und die ganzen Talkbacker hier will give you heat for that..but you probably wanted that. Spidey 3 sucked hard man...real hard. But Superman versus Kumar was the same shit so...again...wait to IRONMAN..youll see IRONMAN

  • May 10, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Skynetbauxi

    by BenBraddock

    Hmm, interesting.. maybe he had scenes in #1 and 2 that were cut? Are you sure he hasn't been digitally inserted, a la Lucas? ;-) I may well rent 2.1 now, just to satisfy my curiousity. I refuse to buy it though, the studio suck for not putting everything they had on the "Special" edition.. wankers.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    A sentence I've never typed: "I agree, Harry"

    by Blanket-Man

    Other than your bizarre assessment of the women in Spidey's life, I'm with ya about Spidey 3. I enjoyed it much more the second time, when you can keep your expectations at a reasonable level. I, like everyone else, expected to see the cinematic equivalent of the Second Coming when I arrived for that first midnight show last week, and felt slightly let down. But seeing it again, knowing what to expect, I had a blast. Maguire, Franco, Church, Grace, Howard, Simmons, Banks, Baker, and Campbell all turn in excellent work, and there are some truly memorable scenes in there that rank among the series' best (the Harry/Peter stuff, especially). Looking forward to a third viewing this weekend...

  • May 10, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Re: Boromir187

    by roachy

    So...in this future possible Spider-Man storyline where Doc-Oc is back and completely controlled by his robot limbs, is he like..a rotten wet corpse being dragged around by 4 robo-limbs? If so, I would SO go see that movie. Also: Cunt cunt cuntidy cunt.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST

    TimMighty

    by skynetbauxi

    was hastn du fürn problem?

  • May 10, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Here's the reasons you're wrong Harry

    by smackfu

    1. The main problem is the lack of coherent character arcs. Harry...first he's evil...then he turns good...then he turns evil again...THEN HE TURNS GOOD AGAIN!!!. Wtf. Same with the MJ & Peter relationship. First it's great. Then Peter is neglecting MJ 's feelings and MJ gets pissed at him. Then Peter wants to make up but MJ doesn't. Then MJ wants to make up but Peter doesn't. Then MJ, fed up with Peter's distance and needing a shoulder, has a little date with Harry, and kisses him. Then she realizes she screwed up and Peters her man. Then she breaks up with him, but to save him, but she still really wants him. Then Peter turns into a dick and publicly embarrasses MJ, himself, me and most other moviegoers, so she doesn't want him back. Then he rescues her from Spiderman 1's lazy rehashed plot device and they're back together again...just....all over the place, it was like 6 weeks worth of a daytime soap opera crammed into 2 hours. <br>2. The re-hashed 'save MJ from the badguy that has her trapped in a high-altitude perilous situation to call Spiderman out. Death Star 2, anyone? Lazy writing. 3. Sandman did NOT work. Church looked great as Sandman, but the character depiction was lame. A 2 minute visit to a house with a sick child is the ONLY character development this guy gets for the whole film, and it's heavy-handed. The fact that this guy has a heart of gold and desparately wants to save his child was not fleshed out properly, but we're merely 'told' this via a 2 minute scene of clumsy exposition. And his from the heart speech at the end was also clumsy, odd, and awkward. Since you tried to stop me from robbing a bank earlier this week, I'll team up with some psychotic monster that would even freak out the devil, try to kill you for a half hour, try to kill your girlfriend, but once my partner gets killed, I'll just suddenly stop, apologize for shooting your uncle, share my feelings with you, CRY, then fly off into the sunset. Fucking stupid. 2 of the 3 villains in this film shared their feelings with Spiderman and cried in the final act of the film. I almost expected Venom to re-materialize from the goop and confess that his feelings of aggression stem from the distant relationship he had with his father as a child. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hard guy, I can well up at a sincere, touching moment in a film when the mood strikes me. But these scenes didn't pull it off, they just felt out of place, forced, and awkward. <br>3. Emo Parker. As said a thousand times, this was handled in the worst possible way. When, as a filmmaker, you want to get across to the audience that a character is going darkside, you do not do this by having him put on eyeshadow and do a dance number. Dark Parker did not act evil, or aggressive, or confident, he acted very, very gay. Flaming gay. Bad ass mofos drunk on power do not display their badassmofoness by doing jazz-hands. But the worst part, is that the entire audience *cringed* for most of this scene. They laughed with mild embarrassment, it was a 'this is so fucking lame I can't believe it'. It was the exact same laugh that peppered my opening night theatre showing of Batman & Robin. <br> Venom had no place in this film. The entire film should have been about Peter's struggle with the symbiote, and it should have been sold better. There are so many aspects of the symbiote\parker relationship that would have been cinematic gold if portrayed as they were in the comics. In the comics, the symbiote was subtly creepy, not just enhancing his aggression but being almost a 2nd being in his body, influencing him not only with it's aggression, but it's *ideas*. Like a devil on your shoulder whispering in your ear. And the best part, was how much it creeped out MJ. It acted like a jealous girlfriend and wanted her out of the picture, and she knew it. All culminating in trying to assert such control over him that he was going to lose himself in it forever. All wasted in the film. It should have ended with the bell-tower, leaving Venom for Spiderman 4. There simply was so many plot devices going, there was no time to convey any of the films characters plights, and they all had to be told in brief, clumsy exposition.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    re: Blarney-Man and the Spiderman 3 script

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I agree, the Spiderman 3 script lacked the tightness and structure of Spiderman 2, hell, even of Spiderman 1. Spiderman 3's script's throughline waivered and meandered through what seemed more like a five act structure rather than the old reliable three acts. Yes, it was uneven at times, plot points weren't always fully fleshed out, sometimes we wondered how we got to certain points. The structure of Spiderman 3 didn't flooow like molasses. But...does every film have to be silky smooth, flowing from one scene to the next like a slow dissolve? Does every little plot point have to be told to you for it to make sense? Do we really have to always follow the traditional three act structure? Can't a film, like life, be a little uneven? A little unexpected? A little imperfect? I appreciated the way this film seemed to jump around, as opposed to sticking to a main throughline the way Spiderman 2 did. It reminded me of being at some late night crazy freaking super-hero/villain costume party where you didn't know what the freak was gonna happen next, kind of like Batman Returns. I liked the way the Spiderman 3 seemed like picking up an issue of Amazing Spiderman, reading about the first adventure with Sandman, watch Spidey defeat Sandy, then three issues later, we get the return of Sandman, this time with a partner. Spiderman 3, of all the films, had that feeling of taking place over several comic book issues, as opposed to being the tightly structured graphic novel that was Spiderman 2. Again, I loved the unevenness, the jumping around. It was like some crazy Cassavetes film dressed up as a superhero. It was moments and episodes patched together to give us this impression of a span of time in Spiderman's wacky crazy fictional New York City.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    ah and the talkbacker Tal111

    by TimMighty

    ..posted the funniest thing in months.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    SPIDEY WITHOUT MASK - WAY TOO MUCH OF IT!!!!!

    by Behemoth

    Thank Crom someone mentioned the INSANE amount of times we see Spiderman fighting either WITHOUT a mask or with the mask nearly ripped off of him. It is PATHETIC! <p>I think MacGuire had something written into his contract that demands his face be shown in 95 percent of the scenes he's in. I despise him as Spiderman to begin with, but at least I could escape a bit when watching a fully costumed SPiderman kick spider ass. <p>Not so in this O'Donnell dropping of a movie. First fight, he's fully Parker-ized, most of the others he doesn't have his mask on, and in the end, of course, the mask is ripped away almost completely within seconds. <p>Loved so much of Raimi's past work, but now...F him. Another superhero mythology spoiled by artistic gluttony. Take a mule kick to the taint in hell, hack.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    PLANT!

    by Mr_Sleep001

    Someone had to say it, and as I'm so late in this talkback I thought I would jump on the cliche bandwagon. Spidey 3 is just bad. i don't buy the whole "Sam Raimi's creating a silver age Spidey" crap. If he had that much respect for the silver age, how come the look of Green Goblin and then New Goblin is so off. Every other character in terms of design is spot on, even venom, although not the bulky mess we're used to is pretty cool. But the Goblins in Raimi's universe have just been completely off in looks, even though Dafoe hits in tone.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:26 a.m. CST

    "But here’s the thing – I had a blast with the film."

    by Trazadone

    Of course you'd say this. You liking Spider-Man 3 is as predictable as the sun rising in the morning. Most others think it sucks.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:26 a.m. CST

    with youre german review you

    by TimMighty

    with youre german review you provoked the lame ol´nazi debate and how americans dont care for other countries yaddayadda...wrong place man. Wrong place. Its about Harry screwing up a long awaited review. Talkbacker Tal111 was right..what about the poor guy that was in need of relationship advices ? "..yeah you should go and see Spiderman3 and..like..call youre girl cunt from now on." The birth of Sandman..the crane sequence..and MAYBE the first fight out of suit. The highlights. The rest...damn ?! Kirstin Dunst looks like a foot.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:32 a.m. CST

    VENOM was more developed here in this movie...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Than in 20 years worth of comics. You fanboys need to re-read the comics and get over the nostalgia. VENOM never was a developed character, until Raimi actually gave Brock a somwwhat personal angle with Peter Parker. Venom was VERY well done... rest of the movie sucked tho. TOO MUCH CRYING!

  • May 10, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Catch a grip of yourself Harry!

    by jimbubble

    No matter how you try to dress this pile of dog links up,it`s still a poor poor movie,sloppy uninterested directing,shite acting,shite cgi,and what the fxck is it with Raimi and unmasking the hero in every fxcking scene??? Big bag of overhyped excrement! Don`t let this hasbean anywhere near The Hobbit!

  • May 10, 2007, 6:47 a.m. CST

    german review provokes nazi debate

    by skynetbauxi

    I seeeeee... so posting a non-english-language review on an english-language website provokes discussions about the political history of ONE of the countries where said non-english language is spoken... your world-view seems rather twisted to me, my friend... and, by the way... the "german" language is spoken not only in "nazi-country" germany, but also in neutral austria (where I'm from) and parts of switzerland, just FYI... and, BTW, how pathetic is it to associate germany with national socialism 60 years later, when every bit of nazi-associated material is outlawed over here, whereas in the USA you can wear all the swastikas you want, or be a member of the KKK, or whatever sick racist group you wanna join... sure, freedom of speech is great, but at least over here people don't have the right to be "nazis" anymore, which I think is a good thing

  • May 10, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    smackfu, your reasonings are all over the place...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...but that's okay. Life doesn't have to always be so freaking organized, right? But anyway, to counter you... 1. What lack of coherent arc in Harry's character are you talking about? He hated Peter for killing his dad. He was twisted by blind rage and the Goblin formula. Then he gets AMNESIA, forgets there ever was a Spiderman, so he's Peter's best friend again, his brother again. MJ's kiss and Norman's phantom snaps him out of his amnesia, so, he remembers now why he hates his brother, Peter. But somewhere between being disfigured, knowing that MJ was about to die, Peter's plead for help, perhaps Harry knowing all along that maybe his Dad was fucked up, and talking to his butler, Harry becomes a hero, and learns what Peter did with Ben's death, that with great power comes great responsibility. 2. Spiderman has been saving MJ's ass from the bad guy for the past two films. Why change it now? As for Venom singling out MJ, well, kidnap the closest person you can think of to Spiderman, I guess, his photographer's girlfriend. And meybe, with the help of the symbiote, Venom knew MJ was Spidey's love. And why always MJ again? Who else does Peter have besides Aunt May and Harry? No one. 3. The Sandman's memory of his daughter was all he needed. Her idea was bigger than her reality. Remember, he's been in jail, the wife has refused him. All Sandman has to keep him going is his daughter's image in the picture locket, and that's all we need to see. Okay, so maybe he also wants to get a little revenge on Spidey for turning him into a mud pie, but we all want a little vindication sometimes. But in the end, he's just a regular joe he wants to try to do what's right, that is, save his daughter. With great power, comes great responsibility, Flint. Now go team up with the Thing. 4. Emo Parker. What do you want, Tony Montana? Peter Parker was awkward good, so he's also awkward bad. Peter will always be awkward, good or bad. Just 'cause he gets a mean streak doesn't mean he suddenly turns into Disco Danny, but he does know how to make use of May's piano lessons and Uncle Ben's ballroom dance lessons. And how do you know the ENTIRE audience cringed with embarassment? Did the entire audience consist of your supercool friends? Did you do some kind of exit poll? Or are you simply projecting your own opinions on to the rest of humanity? And laughs? It was supposed to be funny! Awkwardly funny! The moment it stopped being funny was when someone got hurt, mainly the ones Peter loves, MJ and Harry.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    It's a definition of "cool"

    by Dazzler69

    What Peter got with the Venom suit is a overdose of confidence which he used to what thought was "cool". Did you see him with all the ladies coming down the street? I thought Raimi did it right. Everybody's idea what to do with that kind of power might do something different but this is what Raimi thought Peter would do. It was a great movie which will be in my DVD collection. Officially bought and paid for.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    heh

    by skynetbauxi

    heh

  • May 10, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Wha-? But what about all the other problems?

    by Reelheed

    Heres just a list of places I felt the films structure fell down: Spidey is an arsehole before donning the black suit, some of the suit just convienently turns to liquid again, too much time dancing about, not enough time progressing narrative (hence horrible sledgehammer exposition like the 'venom meets sandman' and 'butler finally explains all' scenes), contrivences explained through confusing flashbacks, anut may repeatedly fails to ask pete about the engagement till it's convienent for plot, more confusing flashbacks and lame robocopesque newsreport. And I'm talking about the robocop TV series. That is if you forget all the continuity issues: MJ is already a model so why is she a waitress? WTF happened to spidey sense? How did the police fail to mention the other suspect who actually shot uncle Ben? Harry, high school drop out, is now capable of building fliers, auto-facevisors and energy swords? Its a mess. The problems with the Black Suit are just bizarre. How could they get it so wrong? The suit was cool because pete could control it with his mind, it could change shape, colour and texture to look like any clothing and it was totally loyal to him. It was like a crazy pet and an extension of pete rather than some threads you stick in a suitcase. Venom was never really part of the Suit story more a by product. Venom should never have been in this film. Set up brock - fine. Set up the suit - fine. Next film venom and lizard. Above all that here is the thing Harry's review doesnt want to say. Spiderman 3 is a mediocre film. Finger point all you like but there is the truth.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Spider-Man 4 should feature....

    by ConanBaltar

    The Lizard and the Kingpin. And if the Kingpin is featured, he should be played by Dick Cheney. And if Dick Cheney plays the Kingpin, he should have one of those long smoking thingies that Burgess Meredith smoked in Batman. That way you get that Reality/Marvel/DC crossover: The Vice President as the Kingpin channeling the Penguin. Now THAT'S magic!

  • May 10, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    re: Reelhead's continuity issues

    by Chishu_Ryu

    1. I think MJ was a lounge singer, right? Doing what she loves, being on stage. 2. I don't think Spidey sense ever played much of a factor in the first two films either. Kind of hard to cinematize something like Spider sense, unless they do that crazy negative thing from the lame 70's TV show. 3. The police got the info from a prison cell confession. 5. I don't think Harry dropped out of high school, and all the Goblin gadgets were already built. Did you see Spiderman 2? 6. Venom worked because it gave the film a true villain, true evil. Sandman was not evil, simply misguided. Venom was pure evil. Kind of like Harry/New Goblin is to Sandman, as Peter/Spiderman is to Eddie/Venom. I know I'm preaching to deaf ears, but I hope you like the film a little better now. It's not that bad. I personally loved it, more than the first two,

  • May 10, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    you are wrong Harry cos u fancy spiderman and superman

    by DIBARAHMAN

    I expect a total geek like you to say that mary jane is wrong for Spiderman, because, in real life harry, you would only ever be able to pay to get a fuck like Mary jane. Unfortunately in real life, men do whatever it is possible in order to bag the best fuck on the planet. Parker has his spiderman persona, other people get jobs and make shitloads of money in order to get laid and married. men do not wants to settle down with cookie ho. they want someone exciting, good looking, volatile, and unpredictable. Mary jane is the right woman for him . Its the American tradition i thought... aim higher than you can reach. You take that as don't settle for a quarter pounder, get a half pounder. I think maybe you missed the point. Peter knows cookie bitch loves him, but the scene when hes on the phone ordering her to go make him stuff, and shes all laughing, etc shows, that deep down, he couldnt handle living with a woman who he could just wrap around his little finger. he wants a woman like mary jane, who will tell him to fuck of if he gets out of line. Where's the chase in cookie ho ? You see, I doubt a fellow like you has got laid much in his life, and probably doesn't really know much about the thrill of the chase. the smell of the pussy you are hunting, and everything that goes with it. you are one of those guys that sits there thinking, I am so inteligent, i am so witty, women should love me. they should be throwing themselves at me. I kind of sense a jealousy in your review, a kind of jealous homoerotic element to your attitude towards louis lane, and mary jane. Could it be that harry is actually jealous of them both ??????

  • May 10, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    HMmmm....

    by bma2192

    You make some good points, Harry...and agreeing with you that Sam is a Silver-Age Spiderman fan and that Venom was wedged in, I actually feel better about the movie after reading your review than I did before I read it. STILL, there are some points that I still have problems with...that dance number in the bar really did take things a bit far and almost reminded me of something that could have fit into "The Mask" as opposed to this film... he pulled off some clearly impossible moves in the viewing public that reminded me of his fight with Flash in the first movie-- I liked that he kicked his ass...but avoiding his punch by doing a triple backflip...? Doesnt ANYBODY question anything??--and dont get me started on the unmasking issues. Im surprised that all of New York doesnt know that Peter Parker is Spederman yet-- but the mask issue, as I understand it, comes from issues with actors and actor's agents wanting the stars face to be seen onscreen as much as possible. Their face IS their product that they sell-- so some actors make a pretty big deal about how much "face time" they get. I remember an interview with Jack Nicholson where he talked about his tricks on getting more face-time on screen by always moving his eyes before he moves his head... interesting stuff--off subject...but I hope that you see my point. Anyways, yes, the film was a good time at the movies... the story telling and structure were well below par for the amount of time and money that goes into this-- and the fx... well, we all have expectations and standards, now that we all live in a digital age... most of it was really good --but where they fall short is in the mentality that they have to out-do the previous film...out-do out-do out-do...it cant just be falling rubble...it has to be an asteroid field where even the once friendly floors of your office building are out to smash you out of spite-- it cant just be an awesome Sandman...it has to be Godzilla Sandman...and I ramble on-- obviously I havent touched on lots of stuff...just a couple things. I came to be attached to the cast...the new actors on set were choices that made me happy--and I got what I expected from their performances... which was good--and even though I dig that silver-age spidey angle..I was really looking forward to Venom, as that storyline was one of my favs-- so talk about a mixed bag! Because of the hot-cold nature of, not only mine, but just about everybodys thoughts on this movie-- its obvious that THIS isnt my big summer flick of 2007-- optimus...Im counting on you.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Oh Yeah....

    by Sundaycall1

    Wy didn't the Goblin Gas cause Harry to go Nanners like his pop?

  • May 10, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Sundaycall1

    by fluffybunnywhiskers

    Indeed the film should NOT be forgiven for its writing flaws, mind you. But I've read comic books in my day, I don't discount them for having any form of merit or anything. I am not an outcast in this crowd, I suppose, I'm a dork at times. But, the difference in my opinion is I've watched the first and second on repeat viewings and the first film doesn't very much stand the test of time in my mind, either. The second does a little more because it focuses on dramatic elements and makes the story really feel like it matters, dealing with human emotions... but I think the third does that equally as well. I might be one of the few who actually can understand MJ's character. The best display of Peter's dark side, above anything else I think, is Peter's "You going to cry?" speech right before he disfigures Harry... and yes, I did write up a review for IMDB pointing out very basic flaws of the screenplay that should and could have EASILY been resolved. But, when I heard "bad writing" I immediately thought the dialog and acting would be noticeably or laughably bad, but it wasn't. There are too many contrivances in the film to really raise it about averageness (or in some cases mediocrity to some of you), and yes, it probably will not stand the test of time once the spectacle of the movie fades and it feels less like an 'event' and more like a big, cheesy movie whose heyday has passed... but I own the second film and none of the films, in my eyes, really fare well on repeat viewings. That's why I think the movie is easily the most re-watchable if you can admit its flaws, which are a few and quite big... but yeah, I do understand that some people are very disappointed especially when holding source material in such high regard... but there's an incredible amount of hate on this website that surpasses vile ("THAT BITCH MJ SHOULD DIE" for example) that I don't think the film deserves, despite its flaws.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Spidey sense

    by skynetbauxi

    during my second cinematic viewing of SPIDER-MAN 3 (yes, I liked it enough to pay twice) I carefully watched out for occurences of Spidey sense... there are at least 2 or 3 of those, right where you would expect them! they're subtle, but they're there... Venom doesn't show on Spidey sense, same as in the comics I think

  • May 10, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    TO ALL SPIDERMAN 3 HATERS...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...Please list your gripes here, numbered and in order, and I will happily shoot them down with clear scientific objective thought out reasoning. Thank you for your time.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by Sundaycall1

    How can Venom be described as a true villain if he's hardly in the movie? And have you seen the first 2? Spider-Sense was portrayed brilliantly and factored into a half a dozen key points...the fight with flash...Normans death...Flying cars crashing through shop windows...end of train line... ringing a bell? It made no sense to aboandon even the inserting the sound effect, like when harry tosses a bomb at peter and he moves despite not seeing it happen. It's just lazy inconsistent film-making.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    what i would have done, personally:

    by fluffybunnywhiskers

    Action sequence beginning... space shuttle crashing with MJ's former fiance (to show what happens to him). Spidey makes a big web to catch the ship, finds out something attacked the ship to make it crash... Spidey gets the men out, then investigates, ship falls in water, the symbiot is what attacked the ship and when he hits the water, it secretly attaches to peter's foot or some such thing. him saving the crew members, however, would be why he gets a public endorsement suddenly, jameson hates him for taking the spotlight off his son... etc.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    snore

    by garumphul

    For the record, I found this film unspeakably tedious. If Raimi's first Spiderman had a script this flaccid, executed as poorly, I strongly doubt there would have been a 2 or 3 - and *definitely* not one costing >$250m. This film is just BAD - spectacular, certainly, but BAD.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Well, obviously...

    by Kid Z

    ... Harry prefers the chick that bakes up all the sugary goodies! (Well, if she hired out a rat to eat that thing off her face... maybe) Anyway... Harry's kinda right about MJ and Gwen be all wrng for Pete, but I say the right girl isn't the Russian chick (thing on face or not) but another woman who seems to truly care about him, who goes to bat for him, who's always there with a kind word when he really needs it... Betty Brant! She's also the hottest of all of them. But then... Peter's an idiot, oh well.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by Reelheed

    Thanks for the reply. 1 - Its nice that you know MJ is doing what she loves via your telepathic link to her. I'm sure she enjoys being a waitress/ singer. 2 - Spidey sense pops up in both the previous films (Sm1 - the fight in school. Sm2 - when he leaps of his bike pre-theatre & when the car come through the cafe window). 3 - but they failed to mention either the guy running away from the shooting or the fact that the ballistics from the other guys gun didnt match the bullet wound. 4 - we found out in Sm1 that Harry had been kicked out of schools previously. Also can you spot any of his new gadgets in the goblins den @ the end of Sm2? As for Venom - You're welcome to your opinion. I think the stage was too crowded and that the suit could have been handled better.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Sundaycall1

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Okay, you've got me on the Spider sense thing. I haven't seen the first two a dozen times so... But yes, Peter does use his sense when he catches the fastball pumpkin from Harry. And like a previous talkbacker said, Spider sense doesn't work on Venom. As for not going back to the Spider sense shot style for the Harry sequence, doing that whole close up on Peter's eye thing would have taken away from the dramatic impact of the scene. This was not Flash Thompson throwing a punch or Doc Ock throwing a car through a window, this was Peter's best friend Harry trying to kill him, a dramatic point in the film. Doing the Spidey sense effect would have been redundant and scene killing. And Peter does use his sense to great effect in the first battle with Harry. As for Venom... Spiderman 3 was about Peter and Harry and MJ. That was the main point of the film. In this film, we got to see them at their worst, in hell. That was the purpose of the symbiote. It was Peter's test, his temptation in his 40 days in the desert. It also tried MJ. But being a Spiderman film, there must be villains. Sandman was there from the start. But so was Venom. For the majority of the film, we saw Venom as two parts, Eddie Brock, who you must admit had a big role in this film, and the black suit, which also had a big role. When the two came together at the end, they made for a deadly yet undoing combination.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Dibarahman's post...

    by Kid Z

    ... Does this creep anyone else out, too?... Or is it just me?

  • May 10, 2007, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Reelhead

    by Chishu_Ryu

    1. When a musician can't play to sell out crowds at Madison Square Garden, they play to friends and family and drunks at the local dive bar. Artists find a way because they have to. 2. Spidey sense already discussed in my above pot. 3. The first thug had Ben's car, that's pretty incriminating. As for the gun matching the bullets, I don't know, have to see the first film to see what happened to the gun, but if yer right, maybe you'll get an official Marvel No-Prize! 4. No, I think Harry graduated high school. The room at the end of Spiderman 2 was big, could've had anything. And maybe the Goblin formula as well as Harry's blind hate augmented his focus as well as his intelligence. It seemed to do that for Norman... 5. As for Venom, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Harry would prefer the girl that makes cakes & cookies

    by Drewchem08

    HARRY GOTTA EAT!!!!

  • May 10, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Thomas Haden Church

    by Abominable Snowcone

    was pretty good, but wasn't given enough dialogue to be "great." After the visit with Penny, he's just a token villain (granted, cool to look at) until the end of the movie when he explains things to Peter. Between those parts, he only has two lines--"I don't want to hurt you. Leave NOW" and "End of the line, Spider-Man!" <p> I agree with Harry that dorky evil Peter was funny, but even the geek in me who loves the "nerd" elements Raimi has injected into the series protested at the amount of dancing and corniness. They shoulda just had the thrust and strut-walk; the piano playing and Dancing With the Stars routine at the jazz club was TOO much. It was TOO much. Peter shoulda just slow danced with Gwen for a minute, dipped her and kissed her, and that woulda done the "get MJ jealous" thing just fine, without taking us completely out of reality. <p> More small-scale Sandman fights shoulda occurred. Gigantor Sandman at the end was a nonthreat and not visually stimulating. As for Harry's thoughts on Venom, I completely agree. The best fights in the Spidey series are STILL the two big fights with Doc Ock, which is too bad, because I was hoping one of the Sandman fights would give them some competition. Nope. It's sad when a Harry vs. Peter (unmasked) fight lasts longer and is cooler than a Spider-Man vs. Sandman fight. Come ON!! Also, it was annoying that all the big fights in Spidey 3 were in the dark of night or in a dark subway. It made the fights, which are already FAST, very hard to follow. I know there's a tactical reason to do this, because I guess CGI is easier to render, but hey, one of the reasons why the Doc Ock train fight kicks ass is because you can freakin' SEE it.<p> One thing I missed about Peter's dorkiness in this film was, go figure, his GLASSES. Unlike the previous two films, he has his Spidey powers the whole time and thus has no need for glasses at all, but I liked that look for dorky Peter, and I missed it.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Right On, Harry!

    by Jeremy Wheeler

    Thanks for bringin' some sanity to this whole ridiculous pissing match.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Look, I'll just say it

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Someone at Sony needs to call me to help these writers nail their scripts / dialogue.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Well done Harry

    by FirstPostersSuck

    Usually I detest some of the bloated interviews that Harry gives but this one was pretty concise and well put.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Abominabubble Snowcone

    by Chishu_Ryu

    1. I think Sandman had substance throughout the film. He was driven on by his picture of Penny which he always held in his hand, and Spidey wanted to kill him for killing Uncle Ben. And we got two small Sandman fights already. A third small Sandman fight mighta been kinda boring, and not as thrilling on IMAX, plus Harry couldn't have done the dramatic cavalry to the rescue pumpkin bomb in Sandman's brain move. 2. Dark Peter going over the top was what it was all about. Peter would never do something like that without at least a suit on. He's far too shy. 3. Peter loses his glasses in the comics, too. It's a natural progression.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Personally I really liked it.

    by mr. brownstone

    With a couple of slight reservations. Anyone else catch the Forbidden Planet and original War Of The Worlds sound effects they sneaked in? That was rad.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Abominabubble Snowcone 2

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Try writing some scripts yerself, see what happens. Can't hurt. Meybe someone at Sony'll give you your big break. Just please leave the glasses off Peter...

  • May 10, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    One funny thing...

    by fluffybunnywhiskers

    One funny thing I thought of though for you Venom lovers who're disappointed: Apparently Venom suits just fall randomly from the sky... so maybe in a future sequel there will be a symbiote shower to bring Venom back for you guys!

  • May 10, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Did you just call Lois Lane a cunt?

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Your "geek card" has just been revoked.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    well done on avoiding the real problem Harry

    by filmcoyote

    I agree with much of what you say but you didn't address the film's biggest sticking point the thing that made it such a huge disappointment - where did the characterisation go? Like X-Men 3 the script went right out the window with convenient cliches thrown in to plug gapping logic and no real characterisation for any of the new characters. Spidey 2 had a superb story arch and a beautifully crafted character in Doc Ock but known of that was in Spidey 3. That was the film's big flaw and that was what made it so tragically disappointing: not that it was really all that bad as a stand-alone film but that like Alien 3, Godfather 3, X-men 3 when compared to the second in the series it was a massive let down.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    I agree with Harry

    by rus

    For the first time... Girls - dead on about MJ, Gwen and the girl accross the hall. Venom - Venom is only in the movie because the studio saw dollar signs and because the geektards bitched about him not being in 1&2. I'm from the Ditko years and that is what Spidey is all about. The Vulture, Sandman, Rhino, GG, Hammerhead, The Lizard, these are Spidey's true foes and should be brought to screen. Mask Off - I would bet there is a certain amount of this in Toby's contract. Actors love their face time and Toby can't be seen as Spiderman if his face is always covered. Yes, there are some lame elements to this movie, but I can't think of any movie that doens't have one or to moments of "Aw, come on!". You have to consider story dynamics in these cases, if it was all battle scenes it would be boring as hell.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Take Harry's review and replace S3 with Hudson Hawk!

    by biggles2_22

    I was NOT surprised by Harry's review AT ALL. I predicted in Cumpstons excellent review & TB that Harry would not post a review until well after the box office numbers came in (and who we kidding? we knew that it would kill first weekend out). The big question is: What would Sgt. Hulka think of this film? And big question #2: Could they digitally remove some of Gwen Stacey's FAT ASS for the next movie? Just curious.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    filmcoyote

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The characters and the characterization of Harry, Peter, and MJ was already set up in the previous films. This one explored the relationships and resolved issues set up since the first. As for nice story arc and three act structures, and smoooooth storytelling, see an above post of mine if you like.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    filmcoyote also

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Seeing Sandman's brief illegal parental visit with his daughter, and then constantly clutching her picture in his hand was all we needed for Sandman.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Coincidences

    by smallfry

    If baffles me why everyone is getting so upset about the coincidence of the symbiote meteorite landing right next Peter. I agree that it's a conincidence, but so is the fact that spiderman's best friend just happens to be the green goblin's son - a coincidence that effectivly put in to motion the plot of the entire trilogy. Why does no one have a problem with that? Wait - it's probably because this is how it was in the comics. And it appears that coincidences are fine as long as no one commits the heracy of deviating from the source material.

  • May 10, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    mmaddox

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I don't think Scorpion would play off as being that original onscreen, because they've already done an appendage-based villain (Doc Ock). I'd go with Lizard and Electro. Maybe Shocker. Today's special effects could easily render some shock wave / ripple effects. The Lizard story would be cool if Peter learns that it's really Dr. Connors, because then he'd know he's got to stop the Lizard without hurting him. And wouldn't it be great if, for once, he finds a way to succesfully do that, instead of having another sympathetic villain die?

  • May 10, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    But what does Bruce Willis think of it?

    by Owen Meany

    Because really, that's all i really give a shit about right now.

  • May 10, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Wasn't there an interview or commentary on one of the

    by half vader

    Spidey dvds where Raimi himself said he didn't like not being able to see the faces? It was him, not the suits that wanted to be able to see the actors emoting rather than some frozen featurelss mask. Well that's what I remember anyway. Anyone?

  • May 10, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    A "Hater's" Defense

    by TonyHooo

    I've been trying to think of a time where there was so much backlash against the actual backlash of a movie. If you were completely disgusted with Spider-Man 3, you're dismissed as a "Hater" and someone that just doesn't get what the character is about. Or that you "just don't want to see a comic book movie that actually causes you to feel an emotion.", or "if Peter's dancing pisses you off, you just don't like to have fun at movies." I could go on, because the accusations have been much worse and illogical, but you've all seen them and/or written them. This movie had, at the most, 15 minutes of actual entertainment dispersed around over two hours of sheer adolescent storytelling, acting, and filmmaking. It's these fifteen minutes that supporters of the movie have shoved down the dissenters throats as being reason enough that we shouldn't hate the movie. Yes, the action was awesome. Yes, Sandman's birth was possibly the most geekily beautiful sequence that I will see on screen all year. Yes, Bruce Campbell is a comic genius. Yes, I had a good time watching "evil" Peter stealing Mary Jane's thunder in the jazz club. These are all great moments, and hints at a brilliantly entertaining film hidden beneath the mediocrity, but 15 minutes does NOT validate the absolutely juvenile handling of the overall movie. My major issues with this film stem from the direction that this series took at the beginning of the second film, when they began beating the "poor wittle Petie" concept through the seventh layer of plotline hell. One of the reasons that the character of Peter Parker/Spider-Man has appealed to so many people is that no matter how much good he does, the countless lives he saves, hardships will forever be thrown into his life as both superhero and as alter-ego. What makes Peter special is that through these hardships, he is always, in the end, able to realize that he has to keep going. He has to hold out hope that he can still make a difference. Hope is the backbone of what this character represents and projects, and it's this almost inhuman optimism that has helped him endure for so long. The second film is able to address this, but also forgets about another, and almost more important trait of the character: Peter, for the most part, enjoys the hell out of being Spider-Man. Spider-Man is a type of therapy for Peter. While he can't handle the problems of everyday life, saving the city from a supervillain comes natural to him. It's almost the only time in his life where he gets to have fun and is able to forget about adulthood responsibilities and problems. Yes, being a superhero can suck sometimes, but he can actually handle the problems he faces as a superhero. Where at home, he is completely lost. This is where the balance of the character comes from. The problem with the direction that this series has taken is that it has focussed 90% of the storylines on how utterly terrible it is to be Peter Parker. As an audience, we are endlessly bombarded with his daily problems. This is accurate to the character of Peter Parker, but we are almost never given the contrast of this in Spider-Man. Which means, as an audience, we are rarely given the opportunity to have fun. The third movie does something even worse. Where there was some resolution in sight during "2", (with a wondeful final shot of doubt), "3" vomits these problems right back up and force feeds them down our throats with a gas station plunger. The film teases us with moments of fun, but then tears them away from us. "Oh wait a minute, you're laughing, having a good time. Well we can't have any of that. Cue Maguire staring at a wall in his apartment, then make him emo-cry again!" "Oh wait, he's been in the suit for more than three minutes. GET HIM OUT OF IT AND INTO A CAFE WITH MJ! What do they think this is? A superhero movie?" Would it kill the filmmakers to let this have a little freakin' fun? Would it kill them to let him mature a little bit, gain a little self-confidence? No, the film punishes his self-confidence by throwing a jealous, self-serving girlfriend at him who expects him to pander to all of her needs while never giving him the respect or love or support that this guy deserves. AND she all but bangs his best friend. And he STILL takes her back. What a fantastic lesson for the kids, eh? Don't believe in yourself, put a terrible human being's needs above your own without getting anything in return, if a lying asshole is stealing your job that you've worked your ass off for years to get by faking a photograph, you have to be evil in order to stand up for yourself. I just don't know what the movie is trying to say, and I doubt highly if the filmmakers know either. I could go on even more than I already have, but we all know about the numerous flaws of this movie. If you liked the movie, fine, I'm not attacking you for your opinion. Just don't attack me for having mine. P.S. This movie, in my mind, IS worse that "Batman and Robin" for the sole reason that that director didn't have much talent or vision or creativity to begin with. Sam Raimi has no excuse. P.P.S. If the flaws in this movie were prevelant in any other comic book movie, my feeling is that that other movie would be crucified. But, for some reason, Spidey gets special treatment.

  • May 10, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu re: sandman's characterization

    by Colonel_Blimp

    That scene could have been all we needed, if executed elegantly. Instead, we get poorly written dialogue without even an attempt at disguising the exposition, and the little girl on crutches conveniently and completely arbitrarily giving Marko the pendant whose sole function in the narrative is to remind the viewer of sandman's motivatin. not ONCE in the movie does the pendant-symbol justify its own existence, and do you know what that means? that means it's a piss poor and tacked on excuse for symbolism and a result of lazy writing and directing. And that's just that one scene. I could go on. If that scene of characterization was all we needed for Sandman, then why is pretty much everything he does subsequently in the movie completely illogical and unmotivated?

  • May 10, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Harry thanks!

    by softie hotpants

    i loved the movie- and even though i am a bit old to be a huge venom fan i thought they captured the vibe of the original web of spiderman stories quite nicely with the cathedral etc; while making eddie brock an interesting and likable character! i agree with you what we need next are the lizard and kraven to come and kick on spidey's butt; you'll get the "great white hunter versus the natural world / frankenstein kinda theme going on here! thanks for keeping it real, the kind of whining that goes on here is unbelievable- for god's sake people if you can do better than this buy your own camera's and fucking make something! sam raimi understands what he is doing with spidey perfectly -anybody who is a longtime fan of the original comics knows he's doing a fantastic job with remaining true to the source material- and in my opinion the dance routine, goth hair, and sight gags were spot on. with the exception of a few latter day tales spidey has always been about mixing the comedic with drama (what else would you want in a frickin comicbook folks? other than horror and violence and raimi gives that to you too!!! Talkbackers! this is spiderman not the batman begins (which was lame and one dimensional compared to this). I'm still not sure why everybody likes spidey 2 so much, it's my least favorite of the 3. As for tobey losing his mask so much maybe it's stipulated by his agent that everyone be reminded every once in a while of who's in there! Complainers and armchair cynics!! i'm sorry but if you didn't get this movie you don't get spiderman! if you all hate it so much why don't you get off your asses and make your own tributes to what superheroes are supposed to be all about. Sam Raimi nailed this one perfectly (considering what he had to deal with -ie -venom)! Sand man rocks!!!!!!!!

  • May 10, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    and harry....

    by softie hotpants

    you do too! next time just get that positive review out earlier! Fantastic four, and daredevil,.. punisher,... now those are movies i had trouble with!

  • May 10, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I think Harry missed the point on Venom.

    by skycrapper

    Just because the villians were in the silver age dosen't make them better characters. In fact Stan Lee has said in interviews that he wishes that he had thought of some of the more current villans like Venom. Almost all the Silver Age villans are a result of some science experiment gone wrong. How much thought went into that? If Raimi doesn't realize that the Spider-Man character has actually developed past the 1962 issues then maybe it's time for some else to have a crack at it.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    It makes sense to hate the dance scenes...

    by rbatty024

    if you hated the first two movies, but if you enjoyed the first two movies and still hate the dance scenes then I don't know what's wrong with you because there are parts of one and two that are ten times as corny as Peter dancing. All of these movies have been purposefully campy. The first one is the worst offender because it doesn't have the grace to show the audience it's on purpose. For example, some of the dialogue like "next time Spiderman," the pumpkin bombs turning people into skeletons and then collapsing, and the Goblin pretending to be an old woman in the burning building are all just as bad, if not worst, than three's dance scene. Of course those scenes weren't wonderful genre leaps or had the humour of Peter being a complete asshole. They were some of the worst parts of one, but I forgave the film because it got so much else right. Two had the raindrops scene and the Mary Tyler Moore freeze frame which was my favorite part of the movie. Who decides to put a 60's sitcom into the middle of a superhero film? A mad genius my friends, a mad genius named Sam Raimi. If you truly have problems with Peter dancing and still like the first two films then you need to go back and watch them because you're just not being honest with yourself.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Harry...

    by Jakes Nel

    You mention all the seperate elements that work and don't work in the film, but you never bother saying how it all works (or doesn't work) as a whole. Surely that's what determines the quality of a film. And, sad to say, Spidey 3 was unfocused and uneven. So much of it just seems like the work of an amateur. Blame the studio notes, blame the script, blame the editing, blame whoever. The film doesn't work. It's not a stinking turd of a movie, but it just doesn't work.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    One problem: this is NOT a review!

    by revenge_flicks

    Harry, when are you actually going to review the film? This was just a post defending Raimi's direction. This post actually makes you look like a Raimi mark. Why not just review the film and stand by your opinion????

  • May 10, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Generations

    by SavageDragoner

    First of all, Jesus Harry, can't you get somebody to edit and proofread your reviews just once before posting? These things are harder to read than Mandarin Chinese. Secondly, the movie was crap, and for a lot of reasons. But my real point with this post was to say about the whole Venom argument is that it really comes down to a generational thing, as so much does with pop culture. What you have here is no different than olders saying, 'I don't get that rock n' roll' or classic rockers saying 'I don't get that heavy metal.' I'm 27, I've been reading comics since I was about 10--and not just casually either, I've got a fucking 50-buck-a-week habit at the moment--and I loves me some goddamn Venom. You can talk all you want about how the 90's characters and plots were shallow and more about the art, but Jesus, what's so great/different about some of these golden oldies Harry and some of you others are going on about? Jesus Christ, just because some of them have a longer history with Peter doesn't mean they're any more developed. One good thing about Sandman in this movie is at least his origin was cheesily bland enough: most of those oldsters--including the entirety of the Sinister Six--were either scientists or criminals who blundered into their powers through some kind of accident. And what's their motivation for hating Spider-man, 9 times out of 10? 'Oh, he stops me from stealing and/or completing my experiments and generally running amuck' Jesus, at least Brock had a reason for MOTHERFUCKING HATING Peter Parker. Not Spider-man, mind you, which is one of the things I always found most interesting about him. Brock hates Parker, and when he combines with the symbiote it gives him the edge and the knowledge he needs to be come the antithesis of everything Peter Parker stands for. So yes, goddamn it, he deserved more than to be run through the Raimi grinder and shit out the other side. Somebody needed to have had some balls here, either Raimi to say, 'I don't want to do Venom,' or Arad to trust in the man that had brought him two movies that made a kajillion dollars and just let him do Sandman and Vulture. I want an apology from one or both of them, but it will never happen because this movie has already made a kajillion-times-infinity dollars and so they're sitting in their ivory towers congratulating themselves on another job well done of pleasing the sheepy masses and Arad is trying to figure out how he can fuck up the fourth one with our without Sam. And I've said my piece, amen.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Thanks Harry, ...

    by Borgnine JR

    ...for reviewing the movie like an intelligent insightful adult rather than a poisonous whiny brat.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Generations

    by SavageDragoner

    First of all, Jesus Harry, can't you get somebody to edit and proofread your reviews just once before posting? These things are harder to read than Mandarin Chinese. Secondly, the movie was crap, and for a lot of reasons. But my real point with this post was to say about the whole Venom argument is that it really comes down to a generational thing, as so much does with pop culture. What you have here is no different than olders saying, 'I don't get that rock n' roll' or classic rockers saying 'I don't get that heavy metal.' I'm 27, I've been reading comics since I was about 10--and not just casually either, I've got a fucking 50-buck-a-week habit at the moment--and I loves me some goddamn Venom. You can talk all you want about how the 90's characters and plots were shallow and more about the art, but Jesus, what's so great/different about some of these golden oldies Harry and some of you others are going on about? Jesus Christ, just because some of them have a longer history with Peter doesn't mean they're any more developed. One good thing about Sandman in this movie is at least his origin was cheesily bland enough: most of those oldsters--including the entirety of the Sinister Six--were either scientists or criminals who blundered into their powers through some kind of accident. And what's their motivation for hating Spider-man, 9 times out of 10? 'Oh, he stops me from stealing and/or completing my experiments and generally running amuck' Jesus, at least Brock had a reason for MOTHERFUCKING HATING Peter Parker. Not Spider-man, mind you, which is one of the things I always found most interesting about him. Brock hates Parker, and when he combines with the symbiote it gives him the edge and the knowledge he needs to be come the antithesis of everything Peter Parker stands for. So yes, goddamn it, he deserved more than to be run through the Raimi grinder and shit out the other side. Somebody needed to have had some balls here, either Raimi to say, 'I don't want to do Venom,' or Arad to trust in the man that had brought him two movies that made a kajillion dollars and just let him do Sandman and Vulture. I want an apology from one or both of them, but it will never happen because this movie has already made a kajillion-times-infinity dollars and so they're sitting in their ivory towers congratulating themselves on another job well done of pleasing the sheepy masses and Arad is trying to figure out how he can fuck up the fourth one with our without Sam. And I've said my piece, amen.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    here you see Harry's bias

    by trombone

    He likes Raimi, so he gives him a break. Actually, Raimi did a good that sucks. I want to see a phantom edit of Spider-Man 3.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Seeing it Tonight

    by BilboRing

    I hope I like it. I would rather they just kept the Silver Age Spidey thing going. But I am eagery awaiting 5:50 PM.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Very respectful of you...

    by cekma

    Venom's what's wrong with this movie Harry! LOL! How bout the fact that Busta Rhymes in Halloween 8 was more developed then the Sandman! Cut sandman out of the movie and make it harry vs peter, peter and the suit, eddie's fall to depression, peter embracing the suit and confronting harry, church scene (45 mins sooner) eddie becomes venom (at this point we've seen his life really get miserable not just lose his job, gwen wants nothing to do with him, gwen's dad threatens hims, really makig him hate peter etc.) Venom kills Gwen's dad, kidnaps mary jane and gwen. Peter vs Venom, Peter can only save one: ends up saving mary jane. Venom about to kill peter, harry comes and saves the day. A perfectly good thematic film about good and evil/vengence with enough action and satisfaction for all fans. Harry before you bash something know the source material. Seriously I'm a fan of Venom, big whoop. Have some respect for the comic for era when he was published. Of course if a meteor brought the suit and I knew no better I'd feel the same way!!!! I bet you loved the sandman's "awesome" orgin... A giant hole in the middle of manhattn not being watched over by security. Flint falls in CUT TO 25 YEAR OLD JENNA JAMISON SCIENTIST "LET'S START THE EXPERIMENT GUYS!" Man was that scene amazing! What were they experimenting on again?! I totally forgot because it was just so OUT OF FUCKING NO WHERE AND TOOK MY BREATH AWAY!!! "I want to save my daughter, I didn't mean to kill your uncle, I'm not really bad but I have no problem 30 minutes ago turning into a blob and killing everyone in my way, along with harming bank truck drivers, I'm sorry now I'm gonna go wherever THE WIND TAKES ME LITERALLY!!!!!!!!! I have so much more I just can't deal, last night Terry O'quinn gets fucking shot! And now I see this biased disrespectful review. And you know what Harry I usually like your stuff, I'd say 85% of time I love your take on things, and I could care less if you don't like Venom but the lack of respect you showed to fans like me is fucking wrong. And I like you am pumped for vulture and rhino!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cause we can only do movies based on comics during certain ages god for bid people liked other things, god for bid the comic kept going. But what do I know I'm a retard that enjoys watching retard characters from the retard era.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Cekma

    by SavageDragoner

    Great comments, and I agree...but goddamn it, did you have to bring Lost into it??? I hadn't watched the last few episodes yet!

  • May 10, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    How it should have been done:

    by lowman

    Part 3: The bad guys-- New Goblin & Sandman- Plot: Spidey gets new black suit and MJ leaves at the end to go to Paris or some shit. Part 4: The bad guys-- Mysterio & The Lizard- Plot: Spidey battles bad guys, falls in love with Gwen and finds out black suit is evil, Venom is born in the last 30 seconds of the movie. Part 5: The bad guys-- Venom- Plot: Spidey battles Venom, quick cameo by Shocker and Rhino at the beginning of the flick, Venom kills Gwen. Part Six: The bad guys-- New Goblin, Rhino, Shocker, Doc Ock, Sandman and The Lizard *Sinister Six*- Plot: MJ comes back, Spidey battles all six baddies and the series end on a high note! that is how it should of happened.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Great points Harry

    by Darth Thoth

    While I may not 100% agree with your assessment of the film, you make some good points especially regarding why Raimi (and his vision of Spider-Man) and Venom together don't work.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    You Know What Lost Me

    by Magic Rat

    On Spiderman 3? When Flint Marko breaks out of Rikers Island and runs away from the cops into a field and then into a scientific laboratory......first, I have to say I just *JUST* got home from Rikers Island, I was doing parole hearings there (I'm a stenographer) so I'm very familiar with it. I looked around and there are no wooded areas there, on top of that IT'S A FREAKIN' ISLAND, did he swim off the island and run away? He wasn't wet in the movie, so I don't get that. Rikers Island isn't an easy place to run away from, if you had to travel on foot there's only one bridge connecting the island to Queens and that's manned by guards on both sides. I know it's just a movie, but gosh, that scene was just dumb.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    the thing I would like to ask Raimi myself is...

    by dodgethis

    Why did they set up JJs son as an astronaut and not have him return from space with the symbiote? Instead,in the most convinient plot convention in the history of comic films, the freakin black suit lands right next to spidey. Oh, and the butler thing at the end sucked too, everything else was good tho.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    ..

    by fireclown

    Venom should be used for demographic reasons. Simply put, he was THE MAN at about the time the young guy demo was in his prime comic reading years. And the symbiote saga is a ripping good story. Worth at least two films, not petty lip service designed to simply put the black suit on the screen and sell some tshirts. As to the origin of ths suit, it's hardly sillier than the one from the comic. So there.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    fluffybunnywhiskers

    by dodgethis

    u sir, are a genius.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    DEAD ON...

    by The Moseph

    Ya know, Harry, I haven't even seen the film yet and I can tell you nailed it. I'm with you and Sam Raimi...Silver Age all the way. I have never liked Venom either and I have another reason that's rather personal, besides the ones you mentioned, that I WON'T go into. After two superb films helmed by Raimi you would think the studio would trust him to make the best film possible, but instead they choose to listen to a select group (but no doubt a large one) of fans. I was and am very disappointed that Venom was chosen to be in the film. The original idea sounded...amazing...spectacular...but, maybe the future holds more Raimi Silver Age fun for the rest of us.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    DEAD ON...

    by The Moseph

    Ya know, Harry, I haven't even seen the film yet and I can tell you nailed it. I'm with you and Sam Raimi...Silver Age all the way. I have never liked Venom either and I have another reason that's rather personal, besides the ones you mentioned, that I WON'T go into. After two superb films helmed by Raimi you would think the studio would trust him to make the best film possible, but instead they choose to listen to a select group (but no doubt a large one) of fans. I was and am very disappointed that Venom was chosen to be in the film. The original idea sounded...amazing...spectacular...but, maybe the future holds more Raimi Silver Age fun for the rest of us.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    FINALLY! Someone talks some sense about this film...

    by Edward_nygma

    ...Thankyou Harry. Spot on review for a change. I was getting sick of the all the fucking bitching about this, frankly, pretty excellet flick.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    You Can't Rationalize

    by shinigami319

    It WAS a bad film. It was a bad script. It was bad acting. The cgi looked horrible. I hate to argee with George Lucas because I hate him for ruining my dreams, however, Spider-Man 3 is silly. It's silly that the studio didn't fire Sam Raimi, it's silly that Tobey Maguire was ever Spider-Man, it's silly that Kirsten Dundst was ever Mary Jane. The whole premise IS RETARDED! Sandman killing Uncle Ben...WHY? It's not needed! And Peter being soooooo angry about it? He's not BATMAN! Parker doesn't operate on vengence ever since freaking 1962! The dance sequence? The Emo hair? I din't know that Fred Astaire and Jard Leto had a baqby and named it Peter Parker?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why doesn't MJ say something to Peter on the bridge? NOTHING?! She doesn't try and contact him at all?! THE MOVIE ENDS AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED! Harry is dead...BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!! The character's don't care about it too much. And MJ is apparently ok going back to the man that hit her without him even explaining anything?! WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????? WHAT the hell is going on with this movie? It makes no sense. No sense at all. And Raimi sucks for all you people who think he's some genious. For all of you who are sitting there rationalizing the whole raimi is a dork ergo peter will be a "dark Dork, " thing. Your whole premise is retarded. Yes, Peter is nerdy. Peter is a science geek. Peter can also LIFT 10 TONS OVER HIS HEAD! He's a cool dork you morons! He doesn't fit the mold of what your talking about! Parker grew up, you should too!

  • May 10, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    You Can't Rationalize

    by shinigami319

    It WAS a bad film. It was a bad script. It was bad acting. The cgi looked horrible. I hate to argee with George Lucas because I hate him for ruining my dreams, however, Spider-Man 3 is silly. It's silly that the studio didn't fire Sam Raimi, it's silly that Tobey Maguire was ever Spider-Man, it's silly that Kirsten Dundst was ever Mary Jane. The whole premise IS RETARDED! Sandman killing Uncle Ben...WHY? It's not needed! And Peter being soooooo angry about it? He's not BATMAN! Parker doesn't operate on vengence ever since freaking 1962! The dance sequence? The Emo hair? I din't know that Fred Astaire and Jard Leto had a baqby and named it Peter Parker?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why doesn't MJ say something to Peter on the bridge? NOTHING?! She doesn't try and contact him at all?! THE MOVIE ENDS AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED! Harry is dead...BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!! The character's don't care about it too much. And MJ is apparently ok going back to the man that hit her without him even explaining anything?! WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????? WHAT the hell is going on with this movie? It makes no sense. No sense at all. And Raimi sucks for all you people who think he's some genious. For all of you who are sitting there rationalizing the whole raimi is a dork ergo peter will be a "dark Dork, " thing. Your whole premise is retarded. Yes, Peter is nerdy. Peter is a science geek. Peter can also LIFT 10 TONS OVER HIS HEAD! He's a cool dork you morons! He doesn't fit the mold of what your talking about! Parker grew up, you should too!

  • May 10, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    You Can't Rationalize

    by shinigami319

    It WAS a bad film. It was a bad script. It was bad acting. The cgi looked horrible. I hate to argee with George Lucas because I hate him for ruining my dreams, however, Spider-Man 3 is silly. It's silly that the studio didn't fire Sam Raimi, it's silly that Tobey Maguire was ever Spider-Man, it's silly that Kirsten Dundst was ever Mary Jane. The whole premise IS RETARDED! Sandman killing Uncle Ben...WHY? It's not needed! And Peter being soooooo angry about it? He's not BATMAN! Parker doesn't operate on vengence ever since freaking 1962! The dance sequence? The Emo hair? I din't know that Fred Astaire and Jard Leto had a baqby and named it Peter Parker?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why doesn't MJ say something to Peter on the bridge? NOTHING?! She doesn't try and contact him at all?! THE MOVIE ENDS AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED! Harry is dead...BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!! The character's don't care about it too much. And MJ is apparently ok going back to the man that hit her without him even explaining anything?! WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????? WHAT the hell is going on with this movie? It makes no sense. No sense at all. And Raimi sucks for all you people who think he's some genious. For all of you who are sitting there rationalizing the whole raimi is a dork ergo peter will be a "dark Dork, " thing. Your whole premise is retarded. Yes, Peter is nerdy. Peter is a science geek. Peter can also LIFT 10 TONS OVER HIS HEAD! He's a cool dork you morons! He doesn't fit the mold of what your talking about! Parker grew up, you should too!

  • May 10, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    You Can't Rationalize

    by shinigami319

    It WAS a bad film. It was a bad script. It was bad acting. The cgi looked horrible. I hate to argee with George Lucas because I hate him for ruining my dreams, however, Spider-Man 3 is silly. It's silly that the studio didn't fire Sam Raimi, it's silly that Tobey Maguire was ever Spider-Man, it's silly that Kirsten Dundst was ever Mary Jane. The whole premise IS RETARDED! Sandman killing Uncle Ben...WHY? It's not needed! And Peter being soooooo angry about it? He's not BATMAN! Parker doesn't operate on vengence ever since freaking 1962! The dance sequence? The Emo hair? I din't know that Fred Astaire and Jard Leto had a baqby and named it Peter Parker?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why doesn't MJ say something to Peter on the bridge? NOTHING?! She doesn't try and contact him at all?! THE MOVIE ENDS AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED! Harry is dead...BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!! The character's don't care about it too much. And MJ is apparently ok going back to the man that hit her without him even explaining anything?! WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????? WHAT the hell is going on with this movie? It makes no sense. No sense at all. And Raimi sucks for all you people who think he's some genious. For all of you who are sitting there rationalizing the whole raimi is a dork ergo peter will be a "dark Dork, " thing. Your whole premise is retarded. Yes, Peter is nerdy. Peter is a science geek. Peter can also LIFT 10 TONS OVER HIS HEAD! He's a cool dork you morons! He doesn't fit the mold of what your talking about! Parker grew up, you should too!

  • May 10, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Does this movie move the Spiderman story forward at all

    by Moa Kaka

    At the end of the movie, Harry is dead. Other than that, what purpose does this movie serve? Why not just watch the first two over again? Everyone is back where they started from at the end of part 2 anyway. The effects/fight scenes don't improve on part 2. What a gigantic waste of money and resources to produce this useless, superfluous, movie. (Disclaimer: I didn't see it, only read reviews/comments. Trailer did nothing for me, and can't see plunking down $10 to make lazy Hollywood people without original thoughts any richer).

  • May 10, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I just spoke to Comic Book Guy and he says..

    by Darth Valinorean

    .... Lamest review everrrr..... Lamest Spidey movie in trilogy everrr....

  • May 10, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I just spoke to Comic Book Guy and he says..

    by Darth Valinorean

    .... Lamest review everrrr..... Lamest Spidey movie in trilogy everrr....

  • May 10, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    The Spidey trilogy in comparison to SW original trilogy

    by bluemeaniespit

    Like the SW original trilogy, the first was great, and the second one better, but the third was fun, but overall, disappointing. One major problem with this movie, aside from the dozens of subplots, overwrought sentiment and blinding fast edits that jumped back and forth, was that there was no strong antagonist. For every strong protagonist, you need a strong antagonist. In this movie, there were 3 antagonists, but all were weak and watered down, with little character development and not enough conflict built up. Sandman was as flat and one dimensional a villain as the pile of sand he was made of. Like Harry said, Venom shouldn’t even been in this movie (and without Venom, we wouldn’t have had to suffer through the silly emo haircut, the Saturday night fever prance and goofy jazz club scenes.). And Harry Osbourne was so over the top silly instead of being a real threat/menace to Peter/Spidey. In other words, 3 poorly developed villains do not equate to one strong villain, which Spidey 1 and 2 both had. It’s sad that Raimi messed up on this one, but no one can hit a home run with every swing. I just wish the Avad and the Sony suits would just shut up and let the man make a movie that he wants to make, instead of counting the bags of cash that they are expecting to come in.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    only review that matters

    by SAVOIR_faire

    $399,988,842 and counting...

  • May 10, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    and C word???

    by Darth Valinorean

    wtf???? This site lends itself to free speech - you don't like it, don't come back. That said, free speech lends itself to expressing dislike to the C word... aargh.. chicken.. egg.. chicken.. egg..

  • May 10, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Jon Favreau as the RHINO! Owen Wilson as ELECTRO!!

    by XXVIII

    Anyone else with me that they've run out of viable villans?

  • May 10, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    The effects were okay

    by Abominable Snowcone

    But I still think the Doc Ock train fight stands as THE spooge fest of CGI superhero fighting. Apart from Sandman's transformation, I just didn't see where all the money went. Venom's come-and-go mask? Fuck it. The sandstorms? I was gonna say they should have dubbed Dunst's singing with a real singer, but then I realized they didn't need any of it. I wanted to love this movie, but only liked it. Fine. It's sad to see it at 61% on Rotten Tomatoes. Still fresh, but Christ that's THIRTY points less than the first two movies. I tell everyone I see that Spidey 2 is still the best. Cuz it is.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Cuervo Jones I agree sir

    by Abominable Snowcone

    on the Sandman transformation music. Was that Danny Elfmann? If not, whoever did it nailed that theme. It gave the "rebirth" a lot of soul and, coupled with the look of frustration on sandman's furrowed brow, all the emotion.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Bennbraddock...yes, the butler was in them

    by Abominable Snowcone

    He doesn't speak in number one, but in number two, Bernard tells Harry, "Your father only obsessed over his work." To which a surly Harry retorts: "GoodNIGHT Bernard."<p> Yes I'm a geek for knowing this.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Venom = Nuclear Man = steaming turdpile

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Hey tompbeast, You know, I posted a much longer review of the movie in another TB, but you pretty much summed up my thoughts in fewer bullet points.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    It's Return Of The Jedi. Really.

    by uss cygnus

    It's not that it's "Batman & Robin" horrible (Which, as bad as it is, is as interesting a campy train wreck as I've seen. It's visually intriguing, but...that's another post.) It's "Return Of The Jedi". It has "oooooooh" moments, goosebumpy moments, but other moments are absolute embarrassments. One film's dancing and singing is another's dancing and singing Billy Dee clapping off the beat with Ewoks. It's still a letdown.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I hated it

    by hadez

    And enough of Spidey 3. Let's return to our old Transformers hate with the new pics! Damn You, Michael Bay!

  • May 10, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    More Return of the Jedi Analogies

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Both Return and Spidey 3 climax with the protagonist kneeling over the dying body of a facially deformed repentant villain. Both feature the getaway of a bad guy (Boba Fett / Sandman). Both feature futuristic flying machines (Sky Stick / Biker Scouts). Both feature songs that suck the corn out of piles of steaming shit (MJ singing / the SE song at Jabba's palace AND the Ewok victory song). Both feature contrived revalations (Leia and Luke are siblings / Bernard the butler tells harry the truth about his dad). Both movies feature a love triangle that isn't, but one of the people in it thinks it is (Han thinks Leia loves Luke / Peter believes MJ has found someone else, but really its just harry forced her to say it). Both movies feature a strange creature with snaggle teeth (Sarlaac, Rancor, Venom). Both movies feature voices speaking from the dead (Norman, Obi-Wan). Both feature lots of sand.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Impressive, Snowcone. Most Impressive.

    by uss cygnus

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

  • May 10, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    good review harry

    by darthnoodle

    i agree with your assessment. i like venom (although i'm not intimately familiar w/ the character) but if raimi wasn't a fan, he should have stood up to the suites and held firm and not put that character into his movie. i would have thought that with the success of the first two movies raimi would have had the clout and power to make the movie he wanted. it's a shame he didn't fight hard enough to make the movie he initially set out to make. with that said, i think raimi's biggest error in the movie is that there was just too much of mary jane rottencrotch. she is an annoying character (like all actors/actresses) who is self centered and not that talented. it was nice seeing peter being self centered with her. a taste of her own medicine thrown back in her face. but the thing that really bugs me is the singing. mary jane gets fired from the show b/c she can't sing. ok good. now it is established she is a bad singer. it was funny to see in the jazz club as she was about to sing, peter steal the limelight. it was a dick move, but i liked seeing him do it. but to watch her sing at the very end was one of the most painful things i've ever seen. it was not necessary. in my version, peter goes into the bar and holds out his hand to MJ BEFORE she starts singing; next shot is the two of them swinging through manhattan. perfect end to what could have been a top notch trilogy. instead it was a disappointing, lackluster ending to a solid trilogy.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Trend broken (spoiler if you havnt seen the film yet)

    by BearLoaf

    Out of the three films, Sandman has been the only villain (Well he's not exactly a villain just a desperate and confused man trying to save his dying daughter) to live at the end of the film. Green Goblin, Doc Oc, Harry GG and Venom have all bitten it in the end. Maybe he can make a come back as an helping hand to Spidey if he gets into massive trouble....

  • May 10, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    HARRY

    by trombone

    What surprises me about this review is the HUGE difference between it and the review you did for X3. And, as have other's on AICN, I have noticed that you are getting more and more away from the original mission, which was to warn us about bad shit coming out of holywood. This site is turning into a kind of holywood testing ground for ideas and rumours and PR. That Batman and Robin review was more of a "hey guys, watch out for this one" from one of us guys. I don't know, maybe it's inevitable with your success, and I know, Harry gotta eat (we all do), just your bias for Raimi is a bit strong. It's not about what you think about Spider-Man Ditko vs McFarlane. It's about if the movie is good or not.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    HARRY Part deux

    by trombone

    Criticism aside, Harry, you are a little hero of mine, the way you have turned this site into a roaring success and got a gig at Penthouse. It's TRULY awsome! Bro'! Keep going and win one for the team!

  • May 10, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    I won't see it in theaters

    by Unnatural

    You get more than two villians in a movie and it just blows. Two is about the limit, especially if there is an all-new villan introduced. It's called character development. I know it's a summer movie, but c'mon. Venom would have been great in a single movie, just for the horror factor I know Raimi could have brought to the table. Venom, tracking down Peter's life, scaring MJ... the entire black suit saga would have been greate. Oh well. Picking this up on DVD.

  • May 10, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    trombone

    by SavageDragoner

    Your second post totally negates everything you said in the first one. Is the site a tool and Harry with it, or is it a success?

  • May 10, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    SP3 is JUST AS BAD AS BATMAN AND ROBIN

    by MattyBoomStar

    In fact.... Sam Raimi is the new Schumacher.

  • May 10, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone......

    by Shaner Jedi

    "Both movies feature a strange creature with snaggle teeth (Sarlaac, Rancor, Venom)." You sure you mean Venom and not Kirsten Dunst?

  • May 10, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Thanks Harry

    by White Goodman

    Thank you for posting that old review so we can remember when you weren't a knob sucking sellout.

  • May 10, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu Re: Chishu_Ryu

    by Reelheed

    "clear scientific objective thought out reasoning" 1 - "Artists find a way because they have to." Ah yes objective scientific methodology at work. In Sm1 MJ is a waitress and hates it. In Sm2 she is a successful model with her face on billboards. Now unless your going to write your OWN narrative for how that situation changed you must except that it was a lazy contrievence to create audience sympathy and allow for the "pete goes dancing again but this time with gwen" scene. 2 - This is your opinion based on the fact it was presumably "redundant and scene killing" in the previous 2 films and not a knee-jerk defense for formulaic writing. 3 - Thanks. I'll take this to mean I'm right and your only recourse is being a wanker. 4 - I never said that he didn't graduate but it certainly wasn't with honours and an invitation to MIT. As to how his dad got all the goblin gear... have you even seen the first 2 films? 5 - As I say, that is your opinion but that doesn't make it true. Also I don't hate Sm3. I thought it was an average film.

  • May 10, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    wow, there are some sour fucks here

    by omarthesnake

    It was a fun movie. It wasn't perfect, but it was far better than you haters are trying to paint it. This is why people don't give a shit what online geeks have to say, because they love to bitch and moan so much they lose touch with reality. It wasn't a bad film, it wasn't a bad script, there wasn't bad acting (well, mostly, though I'm tired of MJ's whininess, it's in character). Much as I didn't like the Sandman-killed-Uncle-Ben thing, it did give a reason for the dark sinister evil suit to have something to latch onto, feeding off of Peter's desire for vengeance. As for nothing having changed, so... fucking... what. Nothing HAS to change at the end of a movie. What percentage of Spider-Man comics end with some devastating change that doesn't end up getting retconned away anyhow? Pompous twits.

  • May 10, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    KEVLAR-MAN a.k.a IRON-MAN ...

    by ludmir88

    will not have wear on his helmet all the time!!!. · I laughed in the crying bridge scene like everybody else in the theatre. · Mary Jane behave like a bitch but.. i sort of enjoyed the twist scene. Please don't hit me!!!!!!!

  • May 10, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    utterly fucking sucked

    by JettDeckard

    how do you go from making spiderman 2 to this? cause 3 fucking sucked, venom sucked. sandman was fucking weak. harry should have been the movie's villian. they could have made a fantastic character driven movie if harry was the villian, but no we need cgi crapfest like venom. o well franco was good in it.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    opening credits

    by secracium

    i had a sinking feeling in my stomach while sitting through the five minute credit intro and it continued to spiral to the end of the movie. it was just, well . . . .boring.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    TO SelfSentered

    by AP3X

    What makes MJ a Cunt? Well you can check out my review of Spidey 3 for the full answer. http://www.the-other-view.com/spidey3a.html

  • May 10, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Or the Tinyurl version

    by AP3X

    http://tinyurl.com/22gxbt

  • May 10, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    SPIDER-MAN 4: THE QUEST FOR ECO JUSTICE

    by FlyingToupee

    The Spidey series has paralled the Chris Reeve Superman films up to this point(the only thing missing in 3 is Richard Pryor). So the next flick will be a PC message flick with a slashed budget. Spidey will fight Eco Man, played by an aging Mark Pillow. Jon Cryer joins the fun as Norman's nephew Ozzy Osborne. The Ralph Bakshi messed up skies and limited animation from the sixties cartoon will be used for f/x work. Can't wait!

  • May 10, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    It's the *CRYING*, HARRY...

    by Quetzalcoatl

    Your defense of Emo Parker and all that is fair enough. But that's not the real problem. My whole issue with *both* of the first two movies was all the interminable scenes of Kirsten Dunst sobbing and shit. Rein it in a little bit, Sam... Then this one comes out and every single review makes a point of mentioning the one thing that drove me batty/bored me to death about the other two. The action scenes are cool...everybody just stop fucking crying. When the actor cries the audience doesn't have to. Give me some genuine pathos not Naphcon-A.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    figures head geek realtes to the chick who bakes...

    by maceodkat

    come on red, you dont get the black suit? yet you rant and RANT about love and togetherness and blah blah blah... all your reviews lately have this 'theme' as well. the suit essentially is lusting after parker like pete lusts over red headed models. this element justifies the hatred shared by the suit and brock (btw no kind words for topher? you hate venom, ergo you hate grace too?) these elements are damaging when trying to submerse yourself into a fantasy epic. you honestly have no beef with the under cooked elements from start to finish?!? the ring element introduced in the opening of the film.. was that resolved? every spidey fan knows who pete ends up with, and the opening line to spidey 1 is "this is a story about a boy & girl" hell dude even ends with that couple fucking dancing for god sake, end with the ring on the finger (that is if you cant end on a gawddamn spidey swinging into the sunset shot). i dont buy for one second that ANYONE in that production believed that "this is the last one". ring element... useless dying little girl element... useless black suit powers... useless killer crane.... useless gwen stacey.. useless & PREGGERS why even introduce gwen in the last spidey episode ever if your NOT GONNA KILL HER wtf harry, its getting easier and easier to just ignore your contributions to this site.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    You just don't get it- Do you?

    by JediSean81

    Allright... Allright... I've read just about every talkback on this board, along with Harry's review and I also read many reviews of this movie on RottenTomatoes.com. After listening to everyone elses opinion on this movie I think I've come to a conclusion. When people don't understand a movie they often get mad because not understanding things makes them feel stupid and when a movie called "Spiderman" challenges your intelligence then it really puts people over the edge. Now, if you're actually interested in understanding this movie here's a simple explanation that even those of you with average to sub-par IQ's will understand: This whole movie is about addiction. The symbiote, black suit works like a drug. It makes Spiderman feel really good and powerful and fuels his ego to the point where his inhibitions melt away. He starts to give in to his anger, abuse his abilities and basically forgets "With great power comes great responsibility." The symbiote also has an intelligence of it's own so when he finally tries to get rid of- It resists. Then it gets onto Eddie Brock, someone who already has loose morals. Eddies a big loser with a lot of pent of anger at the whole world because to him its always somebody elses fault. He takes NO RESPONSIBILITY for his own actions and even prays to God to kill Peter Parker. The suit feeds off agression so when Eddie gets it he's even more powerful than Spiderman was and he gets Sandman who was already pissed a Spiderman for trying to kill him to help him. I believe Sam Raimi made the choice for Brock to refer to himself as I while in the suit because he's too self-centered to refer to himself as we. Brock ends up getting killed because he's addicted to the power of the suit. My favorite line in the whole movie is when he states, "I like being bad. It makes me happy." That suit and the chance to be like an evil Spiderman was the only joy he'd ever known, and if you ask me Sam Raimi knows more about Venom and the Black Suit saga than you think.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Nail on the head, Harry: Peter's dialogue.

    by Ellipsian

    I like the Errol Flynn analogy, and the lack of that very influence has been my biggest problem with the films. I love Parker's wit and bravado and the constant taunting of his enemies, and I find his character wildly lacking these qualities. And it's a damn shame. Of course, I don't know that I'm convinced that Maguire could pull off THAT kind of Spidey...

  • May 10, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Take A Cue from Nolan.

    by LuminousBeing

    I agree with that one guy regarding Parker's "drunk on power bad-ass-ed-ness." Listen to me Sam Raimi: If you got a main character that is dark and badass and drunk on power and mean...take a cue from Chris Nolan and what he's doing with the Batman franchise. THAT is a dark, mean character. And, unless Schumacher is directing, you WILL NOT see Bruce fucking Wayne dancing around. He's the guy sitting in the back of the jazz club in the really dark booth wondering why he's in a jazz club. He can't get into the conversation with the girl he's with, and he ends up calling her a bitch when she calls him out on seeming disinterested. He DOES NOT dance with her.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    My six word review.

    by Dapper Swindler

    Biggest problem, the script was poor.

  • May 10, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    He just watches.

    by LuminousBeing

    He just eyeballs the girl singing, knowing that somewhere deep inside, he still loves her, but he doesn't know what to do about it. There is a...new force...inside him that seems to control his actions...

  • May 10, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    for once I agree with Harry 100%!

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    shoot me now before I start liking Ang Lee's Hulk!

  • May 10, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man 3 isn't even close to Batman and Robin.

    by Err

    Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man 1 > Spider-Man 3 >>>>>>>>>>> Batman and Robin

  • May 10, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    That gal baking cookies for Pete should be renamed...

    by riskebiz

    As Felicia Hardy, the Black Cat.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 4

    by jmnwolff

    Kraven, Vulture and Lizard. Nuff Said.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Here's what should have been done with Venom...

    by J-Dizzle

    ...Venom should not have been a villain in Spiderman 3, quite frankly the real villains of that movie should have been only Sandman and Harry Osbourne with Osbourne living to fight another day. What Raimi did with Sandman was perfect (end of story). As for Venom, I am among the set of fans who love the character and believe that he should have been the sole villain in Spiderman 4. Showing us how Eddie Brock became Venom was fine, but that should have been the last shot of him in Spiderman 3, thus setting up Spiderman 4. Harry Osbourne should have not have been killed off, he was all set to be the Green Goblin, we were all expecting him to don his father's mask and what do we get at the end of movie? Spiderman and Harry Osbourne doing Swanlake on a hoverboard. LAME! LAME! LAME! Parker killed Harry's father, Harry swore an oath to get revenge, and now all of a sudden he's going to have a change of heart because his butler says a few words????? Butler: "Sir, your father died by his own hand, I love you" Harry: "Oh ok, Mr. Butler thanks for finally setting me straight and stepping in before shit got out of hand. I love you Mr. Butler" LAME! LAME! LAME! What Raimi did with Venom was a huge mistake, but what he did with Harry Osbourne was, in my eyes, unforgivable. I hope, no pray, that he gets his shit together with Spiderman 4.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Ursula Ditkovitch

    by riskebiz

    Okay, this Ursula loves Peter like no one else. However, she's a made up character for film and there's no way she could be a viable love interest for Pete because of that. But if her character got a job modelling or something that required a name change .... say to Felicia Hardy ... then as THE BLACK CAT she would be right up Spidey's alley. Anyway, I dig her baking for Peter. She's a cutie. I'd drop MJ in a heartbeat.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    movie could have been better

    by stuntmanmike1

    the movie was ok but the problem was peter only has the costume on for about 40 minutes then right after eddie brock gets fired the suit gets on him the most of the movie was in a rush and then as soon as the suit gets on brock he is swinging through town like he has been doing it all his life there was no depth in venom they didnt talk about why he does not trigger peters spidey sense nothing and they just kill him

  • May 10, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    As for "who cares about Venom"...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Recall the reactions a few years ago when it was announced that Spiderman would be battling Sandman in the third film - "Oh, okay", "Sandman, eh? Uh-huh", "Who?"... Now recall the reactions from January or so, when the news of Venom being in the movie first leaked: "HOLY SHIT!", "Wow! Amazing!", "Now I know I'll see it the opening night!", "Thank you, Sam Raimi!"... The news about the first leaked Venom was even mentioned in major mainstream media. How many of them reported that "Sandman will be the Spiderman III villain"?

  • May 10, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Again...Raimi had a script. Avi Arad wanted Venom...

    by Err

    So Raimi had to shove him in.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Re: Err

    by J-Dizzle

    Was that in reply to me?

  • May 10, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Oh, and now imagine the reactions if it's announced...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    "The Vulture will be the villain in Spiderman IV!" Well, here's the reaction: CRICKET 1: "Who?"; CRICKET 2: "Meh, just keep chirping"

  • May 10, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    SPIDERMAN TRILOGY ON DVD

    by ludmir88

    with a polystone figure of Peter Parker crying like a bitch. = (Mary Jane)

  • May 10, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    YO MARY JANE

    by ludmir88

    are you a cunt?

  • May 10, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Harry just proved he's NOT a real comic book fan

    by Pete_Da_Geek

    He's not, plain and simple. Any true fan of Spidey canon would've felt the enormous slap in the face when Gwen Stacey appeared. Her death was a major plot point in Spider-man's history, HUGE. Even in the Ultimate universe they gave a nod to it. Saying you are a fan, using that as your approach and your defense at the same time is hypocritical. We all know you want the Sony endorsements..I mean it must cost you an astronomical amount of money to stay on that Jabba diet. You've given thumbs up to the last three major travesties in comic to films transitions: Superman Returns, X3, and now Spider-man 3. Not only did these sway from the source material, which is unavoidable and forgivable to an extent, the studios, directors and writers pissed all over them. So, as a 'comic geek' and defending Spider-man is utter bs. Sandman's character changed abruptly for no reason....I'm in a fucke dup situation but I'm really a good guy BUT let's join forces for obvious reasons with the gooey black Spidey with a mouth and go kill Spider-man, oh and let's take a hostage but I'm not really that kind of guy. Bullshit. Green Goblin II was even worse. Granted, Franco was one of the best things in the film as far as a villain with a real backstory, but if you are once again using the comic reader defense I call bullshit on you again. No wonder you are so huge man, you are so full of shit it's practically busting out the seams. I know it's your site, and you have to suck on the cinema teet of these studios, but giving a thumbs up to a movie with a horrible script, a shoddy plot, and a subpar CGI is unforgivable man. I mean, just be honest: "I'm giving this movie a big thumbs up because I want a fat piece of studio cake so they keep sending me bs news that Superherohype, Joblo, and Latinoreview will have on their sites two to three weeks before we do." And, yes, Venom was the biggest mistake of all. Love him or hate him, his character was shoehorned in as well as the rest of the whole black costume....BUT.....the black fucking costume was ther goddamn marketing gimmick and it made no sense to a movie goer with no Spidey background. I mean, explain how the hell it made him stronger or more powerful? Why did it transmute Spidey's abilities to Eddie? I mean, the whole stupid movie was based on coincidences and convenient plot points that really had no bearing on the movie aside form driving it forward to it's eventual trainwreck of an ending. If you read comics, then you are talking out of your ass and are only in it for the cash. And FYI, I don't know how 'old school' of a reader you are, but the lame ass black costume storyline dates back to the mid 80s (which was 20 years ago)...and was a failed Marvel marketing ploy to add a twist on Spidey's sales and to make him synonomous with Spider-Woman's look....the fans hated it and they had to change the direction of the comics....just like the majority of people hated Spider-man and the studio will hopefully do the same. Raimi, I might add, is also full of shit since his treatment of MJ, Gwen and the Goblin are so full of bullshit that no one with an actual attachment to these characters from their childhood would EVER fuck with them the way he did. Small changes good (I'm all for organic webshooters and what not), convenient story arcs that make no damn sense are bad. So fuck you Harry, you are ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag. If your name wasn't attached to the damn subject line it would've taken barely a minute for someone to call you out as a plant.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    The Girl Across The Hall Isn't The Girl For Peter.

    by Buzz Maverik

    The problem is that Harry can't understand anyone not WANTING to be a geek or dork, or whatever, or not seeing themselves in such derogatory terms even though they've been labeled this way. The Peter Parker in the comics always knew he was smart, witty and hip, with a strong streak of inner toughness. When he was young, that was manifested in his Spider-Man identity. Tobey Maguire can't even bring that out. Topher Grace could have. Pete knows he should have the Gwen's and Mary Janes. He doesn't need Olive Oyl doting on him.<p>But we haven't seen the real Mary Jane from the comics in the movies. She's a little more like Gwen. Of course, the problem with the classic portrayal of Spidey's true love is that...she's Stan Lee in drag! Her speech pattern was Stan's bullpen bulletin bullshit from the '60s, which no one has ever talked like. They couldn't do that. It would have been as dumb as the Spider Strut Down the Street scene.<p>I think they've sort of reversed the characters of the girls. MJ is Gwen from the comics. Bryce Dallas Howard was playing a character closer to a modern MJ.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    J-Dizzle...

    by Err

    yes. I just want people to understand if they don't already know that it was Arad who forced the changes. When Raimi was writing before without Arad's interference, we got Spider-Man 2. With Arad's interference, we got Spider-Man 3.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    edit...

    by Err

    Raimi didn't write 2. But the original writers didn't have Arad's interference.

  • May 10, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Re: Err (again)

    by J-Dizzle

    I understand what you're saying. And if that was the case, then Raimi should have told Arad that it was not in anyone's best interests to rush Venom. The black suit/Venom arc needed to be panned out over 2 movies, one for Black Suit Spidey, the other for Spidey vs Venom. Arad is out to make money, surely Raimi could have convinced him that he (Arad) would have made even more money by dedicating Spiderman 4 to Venom (not to mention save Spiderman vs Green Goblin 2 for Spiderman 5).

  • May 10, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Crowd Reactions said it all

    by NHRonin

    I saw this film on day 1 in a packed theater. No cheering, no clapping and very little laughing. I saw S1 and S2 in a similar environment and people where clapping, cheering and there was a buzz when I left the theater. The audience I saw it with was deflated and obviously disappointed. The last time I had this experience was when I saw Phantom Menace.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Okay, okay

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Even I'm tired of reading all the bullshit about a film that clearly sucked ass, so I only skimmed this. I will say that the crowd reaction comment was a dead on match to my showing. Lot of silence, a few groans and a stupid bitch behind me asking her boyfriend who every fucking character in the movie was. Glad Harry could find the time to review a dead fucking horse. This movie fucking sucked. To use the only memorable quote from the movie (and The Man himself), "Nuff said".

  • May 10, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Fucking talckbackers......

    by pdennett316

    Oh no, Peter Parker dances a bit and has an emo haircut - THIS MOVIE SUCKS!!! DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!! etc etc.... You guys are becoming so fucking predictable, someone likes a movie despite it's flaws, they're classed as plants. The movie was 2 hours fucking long, and most of you whine about a few sequences that last about 5 minutes. How does this translate to "everything about this movie was awful!"? Oh, he fucked up Venom? Big deal! Venom is at best a cool-looking distraction rather than a main villain, and I see no problem with that. If they want him in Spidey 4, I'm sure they can think of some excuse to bring him back. After all, this is a universe where people get superpowers from industrial accidents rather than, you know, die. Treating Spiderman seriously would have been terrible, and I think Raimi has the balance just right between tongue-in-cheek and reality. The strutting and the dance numbers made me laugh my ass off - AS INTENDED. As Harry said, this is how Parker perceives being cool and badass, hitting MJ was the step over the line to show how the symbiote was slowly taking control rather than he controlling it. It made perfect sense, as did the love triangle stuff. Oh, and to those who bitch about the characters not being treated in as reverant a way as you like - tough shit!!! Like it or not, these films are merely 'based' on the original material, and as such are changed in a way to better suit a mainstream audience. Not everyone was so enamoured with the comic storylines that we treat them like Shakespeare. You just have to accept that and take the movies for what they are, an interpretation of the material, and I feel the Spiderman movies have been by far the best of the comic book crop. Now, could you please just stop fucking whining about how corrupt and out of touch Harry is etc....and just accept that HE FUCKING LIKES MOVIES THAT YOU DONT!!! Get over it you sad fuckers. oh, and I've liked how a lot of you have been willing to give Mr Willis' films a lot more slack than Spidey 3 - I liked Hudson Hawk, but it ain't as good as Spiderman 3, and is a much more flawed movie. Yet Brucie shows up and you all cant wait to suck his dick and proclaim everything he's ever done as 'the best'. Fucking catchphrase spouting, bandwagon jumping hypocritical fuckers.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    In Spite of all The Love

    by Will Love

    None of the reviews have given fair space to the grotesque editing, non-sensical narrative points, and the outstanding lack of grace in Spider-Man 3. I think that this last point, more than any other, is the reason why people felt ripped off. Spider-Man 3 hits some ridiculous speed bumps. You can overlook it and enjoy, but there were moments where I was embarrassed for forgiving how bad it could be. At some point, you have to count up all of those mistakes and errors and say- "You know what, I enjoyed it (if you do), but this isn't a good film."

  • May 10, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Hi Ho Silver Age! Sandman rocked!

    by mr Articulate

    Good review. I thought it had some of the best relationship dialogue in the world! Pete's shifting the focus to himself when MJ needs to talk is so right on "I know how you feel MJ, when I hear people scream Spider-man...blah blah blah" When MJ says, "Its not about you!" I thought my wife had written this script! As for the villains - When I first heard they were using Sandman I thought it would be DULL, but Raimi and crew made Sandman much cooler than I imagined. That's why I know have total confidence they could bring in Vulture, Electro or Mysterio and make them work. (Funny that they didn't trust the classic look with Green Goblin - but that may have been studio influence). Very interesting comments about the ladies Pete pursues. Al Milgrom had a great bit in one fo the comics of "Peter Parker Spectacular Spider-man" around issue 95 or so back when he was dating the Black Cat - He unmasks to get closer to her and she freaks and tells him to put the mask back on! Not becuase he's hideous, but because she'd in love with the illusion of Spider-man. In fact Ditko dealt alot with illusion in his work.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Btw, "Cleveland Smith" is awesome

    by Gozu

    Thanks for posting that.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    The REAL problem is that after the arrival of HEROES...

    by workshed

    ...Marvel movies just don't have the substance to compete and this is compounded every week as Heroes gets better and better. Plus, how the heck could supes like Spiderman, Batman or Superman compete with the power of Peter Petrelli..? Should he survive the bomb in two weeks i hope he gives himself a Superhero pseudonym.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    How about the fact that..

    by kitkats99

    the plot didnt make sense. Harry threatens MJ, and says she has to break up with Peter or she'll get hurt..and she actually breaks up with him and never talks to him again? Who would do that? You know that your boyfriend is a superhero, and you're free and clear, standing on a bridge with "the enemy" a mile away behind a tree, and you actually break up with him instead of screaming "Harrys gone batshit crazy and he's going to kill me!"? I can forgive poor special effects, but sloppy writing and absolute negation of realistic human condition is inexusable.

  • May 10, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    I always respected Harry and his reviews...

    by Michelangelo

    ...until now. I don't understand how you can look at a film as poorly constructed, acted, and shot as Spiderman 3 and defend it. You've always been the voice of the average filmgoer, the fanboy (and girl), the true lover of cinema. This review betrays all of that - and not because I disagree. What you say makes no sense. I won't dissect it specifically here, plenty of talkbackers have already done that. I think you've lost your way. You've gotten too close to these filmmakers and you're protecting your friends...defending them when you should be objective. I know losing one reader means precious little to you, but I can't in good conscience trust you or your reviews anymore. Good luck Harry, because if you are going to continue to alow your opinions to be influenced by your Hollywood relationships, then what you've accomplished here is going to mean nothing.

  • May 10, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    up is down... and down is up

    by oliveomen

    i just dont understand. this is clearly a piece of crap. there should be no debate.

  • May 10, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    A Good film with a few problems

    by LordMaker

    I think the problems can all be rooted to the black suit. Raimi stated before that he did not like the venom charecter. Not that the science was brilliant in this franchise, but you could fill in the blanks. My biggest criticism for this film, is that you are given no plausible explanation of why this special type of metorite fell to Earth and got Peter. It's a sin really. But I've got to say George Lucas has got a cheek calling it silly. Watch Phantom Menace again Georgie before you call the pot black again. Great film-maker. Great hypocrite also.

  • May 10, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    In response to the whole 'Heroes' thing...

    by Pete_Da_Geek

    .....it's a blatant rip-off of Rising Stars...Dawson's Creekafied for a more timid audience. It's like a 'new' tv show about a hero who's parents were killed in a failed stick up attempt and he dons a cape and cowel and calls himself the Batlike-Man. Heroes should not be compared to anything Marvel or DC. It's like the Prowings version of a good comic that should've got it's due but instead got shelved for that load of crap.

  • May 10, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    rip off accusation

    by LordMaker

    Film makers trying to make a good film is like Frankenstien's monster. As Francis Ford Coppola once said "You Steal from the best".

  • May 10, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Sorry kids

    by The3rdMan

    Harry hit it bang on with this review. And i'm a huge Venom/Carnage fan. I, more than anyone, wanted it done the right way. But once i heard Raimi wasn't a big fan of Venom i wasn't hoping for much. This film is a good time. it's goofy and silly and fun and just a much better time than the others, i felt. Realistically all these Spiderman films aren't amazing. Every villain is done horrible justice. and the storylines are all exactly the same. *stuff between peter and mary jane, then it's not good between em near the end, then she gets taken by the bad guys, he saves her, all good* i know there's this huge love for Spiderman 2 but i don't get it. i like it alot too. i like it more than the first one. but this one being worse? i dunno guys, you can be upset all you want about Venom but Doc Ock being controlled by his arms? and he saves the day at the end!? i mean come on. at least this venom really wanted to mess up Spiderman because he actually wanted to. anyways. good job harry.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Harry,...as Emo Peter said to Eddie Brock:

    by Tizzle

    "You want forgiveness? ...Then get religion."

  • May 10, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    But seriously guys, go easy on Harry...

    by Tizzle

    He loved garbage like Domino and Silent Hill as well. FYI, Harry is getting bought out...at least that's the only explanation I can think of after reading that review. ...I personally think it's depressing.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Finally saw it.....

    by amrisharmpit

    I had been debating whether to even see this movie after all the negative reviews, but I was able to see it for free. Overall, the film was not as bad as I was expecting, and not NEARLY as bad as "Batman & Robin," but it wasn't a good film by any means. It lacked the fun of the first film and the power of the second. The pacing was wildly uneven, the action sequences were dull, and the script was just a mess. It didn't make sense, didn't go anywhere, and didn't have a strong plotline. They made some bad choices in the story that were extremely contrived and lazy. The biggest problem with the film was the inclusion of the black suit and Venom. Raimi just didn't get it. That's when everything went off the rails. And finally, the biggest problem of all: SPIDER-MAN WAS HARDLY IN THIS MOVIE! It was mostly about Peter Parker. Anyway, that's all.....this was a disappointment that I'm glad I didn't have to see in theaters. The parallels to "Superman III" and "Batman Forever" are certainly warranted.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    people like venom...

    by Lt. Kaffee

    b/c they love villains that are the evil mirrors of the heroes they've grown to know and love. even if its based purely on a visual level. i loved venom for the very such reason as a youthful comic reader. i loved black adam for the same reason. hell, even the sinister six, stryfe, and the abomination, and sinestro echo that same sentiment.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Harry: I had a BLAST with the film!!!

    by Tizzle

    (pointing at Harry, laughing) Hahaha...Well, good for Harry! Come on guys, let's give him a hand! (clapping) Come on! The film was obviously made for RETARDS...and a retard obviously enjoyed the hell out of it. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

  • May 10, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    You can give Mellencamp a run for his money

    by Birdys Piano Teacher

    Quite the generous review.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Why Venom Is Perfect

    by HelterSkelterer

    The reason why we like Venom is because he shadows spiderman's character. Most hero's battle some lame copy of themselves at sometime in their history, but Venom allows spiderman to fight himself but at remarkable odds. One of my favorite things about the battles venom and spiderman have is the fact that spiderman's spidey sense is nullified. The very idea that venom could crash through any wall at any minute and smash spidey's head against the ground is priceless. With most enemy's, spiderman would be on the offensive (even on defense) but with venom he is always running frantically, racing for a exit strategy. Look, superman has bizarro, spiderman has venom. You decide which one is lamer.

  • May 10, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    So....

    by Spice-Orange

    a WEEK after the movie opens, Harry reviews the film... and then NON-REVIEWS it. and DEFENDS the shittiest spiderman movie of the 3. that's sad harry. really sad. and saying "i dont get venom, and sam doesnt either, so thats why its bad" wtf? a good film maker shouldn't be DOING things they don't KNOW. if he couldn't control venom being in the movie, and couldn't figure out how to tell a GOOD venom story, he should have removed himself from the equation and had someone who actually cared direct. this shit fest is all on his watch, and the acting is DEPLORABLE this time out... no matter how much you "dont get" a character, you should be able to direct actors into delivering lines that don't sound ghay. The whole movie was crap. the more i think about what it could have been, the more upset it makes me. venom was a let down, sandman was just OK, Stacy was COMPLETELY underused considering her role in the comics, too. It would be like not addressing superman's father issues in a superman movie. Gwen Stacy DENFINES spider-man more so than Ben Parker. you can say you don't "get venom" but if you're willing to do what you did with gwen stacy, and with such a great actress like Howard, than you just voted yourself off of the franchise. period. kiss his butt all you want harry, but Sam has burnt himself out on blockbusters. its over. Evil Dead is awesome, everything he does with that is great, but he just fucked spiderman over big time. so much so that it will be scary to see where it goes from here. can it recover? :(

  • May 10, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA?WTF is that about?

    by magnetoelectric

    Are you smokin your shoes son?Do you really believe that WB will even make a real JLA film with Batman, Supes, GL, etc?Or are you dreaming?Mark my words they WILL make a JLA film-with second tier characters like B'wana Beast.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Peter Parker wasn't a dork or a geek, he was a loser

    by indiephantom

    If you read the comic during the classic period (after it moved away from being a Superman clone and found its footing in the 80s) you would know that Parker wasn't a klutz or a geek or some Nutty Professor chem student. He was a character who went through a lot of shit and suffered. But he was never a cliche. Always humanized, always believable...and still extremely COOL and SARCASTIC. Seriously none OF HIS WIT ever made it into the films. I liked Spidey 3, but I have very little respect for this Hollywood version of the character. I know you WANT TO BE ANOTHER GEEK and a DORK. But that's not what he is. That's Clark Kent.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Flying Toupee

    by indiephantom

    SUPERMAN 4: THE QUEST FOR ECO PEACE cracked me up. I agree there have been strong parallels. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they go "green" next time.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    My spiderman 3 rewrite, no venom, only the black suit

    by christpunchers2007

    Flint Marko and Adrian Toomes (who is now an aging old old old man will later become the Vulture) are both in the same prision cell. Toomes is imprisioned for falsifying information to make his once small company grow to emnormous proportions. You'll have bits and pieces of funny dialogue, Adrian "They put me in this cell with a street thug murderer." Then you'll have Flint trying to defend his actions because he stole money for his dying daughter. Some crazy scientific experiement demands for a human test subject. Through some sort of money bribing, these secret research agency promises large amount of money and early release for Marko if he agrees to BE that test subject. Marko suspects that he wont make it out alive but he'll try and escape in the process of transferring him to the lab. Toomes wants Marko to start a riot so Toomes will help Marko save his daugther (Lets imagine Toomes as a super scientist at this moment). The expirement goes wrong, Marko gets turned into the sandman. Sandman creates a large scale riot in the prison. Sandman is at the edge of escaping the prison, Toomes BEGS Sandman to take him with him. Sandman agrees. Toomes will basically lure Sandman into robbing banks to build some sort of "machine" that is promised to save Marko's daughter. Spidey will get the black suit via the astronaut story. Large action sequence of a shuttle going 100 miles an hour down into central NY and its up to Spidey to stop it from destroying the city and also to save the astronauts (including JJ's son who is now bitter over MJ). Spidey saves the day, but the black suit which comes from a rock escapes the shuttle and attaches to Pete unknowingly to everyone. Harry throughout the movie will stalk Parker and make his life a living hell, because at any moment he can kidnap MJ or Aunt May or expose his secrets to the world. Spidey's ass is getting kicked all over the city. Sandman is too strong, Harry is takes the enchanment formula, hes making peter's life a living hell. Eddie Brock is introduced in this movie, as Parker's archrival at the bugle. The black suit finally manifests itself, Spidey starts kicking Sandman's ass. Sandman tells him "you dont understand, i need to do this for my daughter". The two are evenly matched. In an end sequence the vulture will arrive and Sandman under the vulture's orders kidnaps Spidey (whom Vulture considers the strongest and most "youthful" specimen he can find to rejuvenate himself). Spidey is put into a machine where the Vulture gets parts of his youth back but not fully. Spidey tells Sandman that hes been tricked all along, the money was never spent in saving Sandman's daugther's life. Sandman will brawl with the Vulture but somehow the Vulture gets the best of Sandman. Spidey is no match for the Vulture, but then Harry comes to save the day. Of course Harry dies. At the end of the movie the suit that has made Spidey so overly aggressive and arrogant is taken off. A humiliated Eddie Brock tries to redeem his lost job and career at the bulge by trying to expose Spidey, trying to get some better pics of him, and also he suspects that parker and Spidey are scratching each others back all along these years. But the truth is revealed, Spidey is Parker, the black suit goes savagingly onto Eddie. Eddie Brock is sucked up into a cacoon like the victim of a Spider. We then have an ending where MJ and Pete patch up their relationship, while crying over Harry. In in the final shot, the cacoon breaks, we have a teaser shot of Brock violently transforming into Venom.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    SM3 was bad - wait for the DROPOFF

    by eickhry

    I totally agree with most of the Talkbackers. SM3 was terribly disappointing. I saw 300 3 times but have no interest in seeing SM3 again. Can't wait to see the box office dropoff from week 1 - I am estimating at least 60% which is huge for any movie. Oh, and is anyone else starting to think that the movies this summer are going to blow? I was excited but now I am hearing that Shrek the Third sucks. Also, POTC 3 is looking dicey as well (the ship falling over the waterfall? what??). The Bourne Ultimatum looks just like the first 2 movies. And Transformers, well, two words...Michael Bay. At this point, FF2 actually looks like a winner...well, until we get a cloud of dust for Galactus. Sigh...I guess I'll have to put all my marbles into the Harry Potter movie.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Why do you hate venom?

    by Romatron

    I don't understand why you hate him so much? He is the ultimate villian for spiderman. Has his exact powers but is evil. Spiderman 3 sucked ass soo bad. I can't even begin to start. Sam should just make another evil dead movie because at least hes good at that!

  • May 10, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    eikhry...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    You say you saw 300 three times, and have no desire to see Spiderman 3 again? That can only mean one of two things. Either you are gay (not saying that's a bad thing) or you have no soul. Or is it both?

  • May 10, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    indiephantom

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Peter Parker is not by definition a dork, or a geek, or a loser. He is a nerd. Get yer terms right!

  • May 11, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    I now declare myself the new HEADGEEK...

    by Tizzle

    Harry, the people have spoken and your rule has been overthrown. It's to be expected after feeding them such lies and then claiming to be something you're not: A Geek. A True Geek would have fucking hated that movie. Tyranny will not reign. I, Tizzle, am the new HEADGEEK. I say Spidey 3 SUCKED MAJOR ASSS. Anyone who agrees, FOLLOW ME!!!!

  • May 11, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Harry is right and I enjoyed the movie.

    by NoahTall

    If you grew up with Venom then it isn't very likely you would like this movie. The Spiderman of the Venom era should have been celled emoman Emoman emoman whines more than any emo can. Swings around on black thread He'd be better off just being dead Hey hey, there goes the Emoman That having been said. The Spiderman of the Venom era wasn't the one I knew. Marvel radically changed the character so if you fell in love with the comics at that time you were basically enjoying a completely different Spidey than those of us who had been reading him for years before. So Raimi didn't get Spiderman wrong, he's just a fan of classic Spidey and that's the character he brings to the screen. To me, and to all the other comic fans I know the whole Venom concept sucked. It was just like Bane in Batman and Doomsday in Superman. A villain who is pretty much just a monster. Not meaning monster as in description of their psyche (ie Hannibal Lecter) but a literal monster. And one last word. The parts of the movie I didn't like were the whole Peter under the influence of the suit stuff. Tobey sucks at playing serious and dark.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Was that negative SHREK THE THIRD review removed due to

    by Larry_Talbot

    just wondered as i couldn't find it again.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    removed due to studio pressure?

    by Larry_Talbot

    is how i hoped to finish the header.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Tragedy

    by spiderwalk007

    You cannot spill all that blood, work, and tears into the first two, and leave this this "punched-in-the-gut" feeling with the third. Inconceivable!!!!!!!!! I loved the series, but now I am heartbroken.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Roger Ebert's original review of Superman

    by bluebottle

    called Lois Lane a "no good cunt". I think even Pauline Kale might have referred to Margot Kidder as a "mangy old cunt of an actress". I could be wrong though. Way to throw "quality" to the wind there, Harry.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    StrangeCo

    by Chishu_Ryu

    1. Was MJ's performance "show-stopping"? In the film, wasn't she slammed by every critic in town, then subsequently fired? 2. The crap-tastic F/X in SM3 fight scenes were no worse than the crap-tastic F/X in the first two Spidey flicks. 3. What OUT OF FOCUS shots? I really saw nothing that wasn't supposed to be out of flocus. 4. I believe the symbiote came from the Beyonder's realm in Marvel Secret Wars. Coincidences, schmoincidences. Clearly Peter and Eddie are men of destiny. Fate drove them to be in that church at the same exact time. Venom was calling... 5. Gwen Stacy...was...a...character. She was Petey's lab partner. She was clearly a real nice chick lacking in the brains department. And she was clearly HURT when she realizes she was being used by Evil Peter to hurt MJ. 6. "Hedging of bets"? Don't understand the question. 7. Dark disco dancing Peter was funny. A lot of folks in my theater were laughing. Clearly you have no sense of humor. 8. Part of what makes a dork/nerd a dork/nerd is their social skills. Peter is a bit lacking in that department. Put him in a Spiderman suit were he doesn't have to hang out with villains, just beat them up, then he doesn't seem as dorky anymore. His dorkiness/nerdiness is within the context of his interaction with people on a social level. Uh, that's all.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    So Raimi couldn't find a better way to use Venom?

    by thebearovingian

    Sure, it's gotta be Avi Arad's fault. Then Sam's off the hook when he makes a mediocre film? Does anyone honestly think he just tanked the movie on purpose b/c he didn't want Venom? He's not a professional who takes pride in his work? Who even with studio interference would still try to make the best movie possible? So did Arad/ the studio also make him put in the Sandmonster/ flying cloud of sand Sandman or the X-Treme Snowboard Goblin or the Uncle Ben's killer switcheroo or the overabundance of crying or the asinine dancing/piano playing/chandelier swinging/ "now dig on this" jazz club scene? If the studio screwed with the editing and final cut, I might be willing to cut Raimi some slack (although he did SHOOT the footage of all that crap). SM3 had its moments but the whole did not equal the sum of its parts.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    would've been a great 3d installment without the Venom.

    by samsquanch

    Just imagine it... If they had saved Venom for 4, the whole movie about that storyline, compiled with the Gewn Stacey story, and a bit of the Lizard, and maybe even Kraven. That way there could have been room in 3 for actual PLOT DEVELOPMENT, and left room in 4 for MORE PLOT DEVELOPMENT, instead of what we got- which was: meteor happens to fall near Spiderman- for some inexplicable reason becomes his costume (what the fuck?) and then a few days later is a fully formed evil nemesis with a new character with about 2 minutes of screen time. I loved everything about this movie, almost, except for any of the shit that had ANYTHING TO DO WITH the alien goo/eddie brock/black suit/venom retardedness. <p> This was almost an X3 experience, almost...

  • May 11, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    the alien suit

    by christpunchers2007

    is not suitable for raimi's universe that he had brought up in the first 2 movies. sandman is already quite a stretch.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    TonyHoooooooo,,,,

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I think you are projecting your own subjective impression of who Peter Parker/Siderman upon the character. Hope? Yeah. Okay. Sure. But I think Peter Parker is a lot of other things than just the living embodiment of hope. And yes, Peter does have fun being Spidey, but I believe he has fun as Peter Parker, too. He seems to enjoy his time with Aunt May. He finally (in SM3) seems to enjoy college. He enjoys seeing the popularity of Spidey from the pov of Peter. And he especially enjoys his time with MJ, just looking up at stars. And so the filmmakers tease us with a little fun then tears it away? What, do you want 2 1/2 hours of Peter and MJ running hand in hand thru fields of daisies and daffodils, and Spidey swinging between buildings saying "Yahoo!" and "Wheee!" over and over again? I don't know, I think it might get kind of boring after a while. And it sounds like you're a bit of a woman hater. Meaning it seems like you feel women should be our concubines who must shut up and jump in the sack with men when they so feel like it. "Women don't have problems! Now shut up and get me a pot pie and massage my neck now!" Nah, MJ's a cool chick, and she totally supports him in his time of need. As for Evil Peter vs. Eddie, I don't think it's the fact that he stood up for himself because he was evil and thus had the backbone, but how Peter handled it. Good Peter would've probably shown more class and restraint in defending Spidey's honor and his job rather than shoving him into a glass frame and humiliating him in front of everyone.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    re: Colonel_Blimp

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Poorly written dialogue? Please excuse Flint Marko and his ex for not being the most eloquent of human beings. Sure, the picture pendant reminds the audience of Sandman's motivation, but perhaps it also reminds Sandman of his motivation? Sure he has her memory in his head, but this solid metal physical pendant he holds in his hands is the closest he can come to physically holding his daughter in his arms.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:40 a.m. CST

    re: StrangeCo "Could this be the end of Spiderman?"

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Today especially, we live in an electronic media world. This is not J. Jonah Jameson getting the story out the next day with unflattering attacks on Webhead. This is the here and now. We even see Jameson's moment of inadequacy when he can only stand on the sidelines and watch along with the rest of New York. Here, J. Jonah just looks like a bitter old dinosaur succumbing to the power of electronic media. Maybe the only thing missing in the film was play by play blogs and podcasts of Spiderman's fight.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Jakes Nel

    by Chishu_Ryu

    What determines the quality of a flick is "emotional content." Everything else is painting by numbers. Spiderman 3 had emotional content to spare.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST

    re: SavageDragoner -- Venom

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Face it, Venom was stupid and useless in the comics. Sam Raimi's version actually improved on the character, gave him a proper reason for existing as the Bizarro Peter Parker.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:54 a.m. CST

    lowman

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Great, let's have Peter ditch MJ, a real woman, the girl he's been in love with since he was a child, with whom he's shared both his trials with Goblin and Doc Ock, for a happy go lucky no brain Barbie doll. You hate women with brains and independence, don't you?

  • May 11, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Harry i love You reviews, but..............

    by dynamicb

    I seriously think you are reaching here. You openely admit that the coolest character is Sandman but then don't address that they leave his motivation open ended. And COMEON Harry! The scene where two major villians, whom have totally unrelated story lines by the way, get together and say, "You hate Spidey?" "Me too, lets get together and kick some spidey ass." is nothing more than sloppy bullshit. i agree with you in the fact that Raimi doesnt like Venom. That doesnt give him the right to turn a 260 million dollar movie into a cheeseball fest just because he doesn't get IT! Theres MILLIONS of fucking people who do get IT for godsakes. Just fucking ask some one! I cannot believe that you, Father Geek, cannot admit that this movie goes in 13 different directions and accomplishes nothing but ruining a great Harry/Peter storyline, by turning into a 7th grade fuckfest. come on man!

  • May 11, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST

    re: Magic Rat -- Rykers Island

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The secret physics lab was on the mainland. As for Flint Marko escaping from Ryker's and not getting wet, I suppose I'll tell you, even though I promised not to...he smuggled himself onto the mail boat.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:32 a.m. CST

    re: shinigami319

    by Chishu_Ryu

    1. Flint killing Ben made things personal between Sandman and Spidey. Upped the emotional ante. Sandman wants to help his daughter, Spidey wants to avenge Ben. And Ben's death was still recent enough for Peter to not have gotten over it. It was only two movies ago. 2. MJ doesn't say anything because she truly fears for Peter. Seemed part of her breaking up with him was sincere, partly because she wants no harm to come to Peter. Kind of the way Peter originally turned away from her because he didn't want her to get hurt by Spidey's enemies. 3. At the end of SM3, EVERYTHING has changed. Harry dies a hero and a friend. Without amnesia, Harry has found his true self. He has come home. Peter has learned to forgive. And in the last shot of the film, Peter is not swinging through New York City, but instead is in Mary Jane's embrace. He has learned to put the woman he loves before himself. 4. Evil Peter didn't hit MJ on purpose, but he still harmed her, nonetheless. 5. Peter is a good dork/evil dork within the context of his social skills, of his interactions with fellow New Yorkers, of his interaction with MJ. It takes no social skills to lift 10 tons over his head. "Cool dork", that's like an oxymoron, isn't it?

  • May 11, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST

    re: bluemeaniespit

    by Chishu_Ryu

    "For every srong protagonist, you need a strong antagonist." Who said that? Shakespeare? And in this one, Spidey wasn't always a strong protagonist, was he? And how were Goblin and Doc Ock any more developed than Sandman and Eddie Brock/Venom? Goblin and Doc go crazy, that's their development. At least Sandman's decisions are his own. And as I recall, Sandman had about the same number of encounters with Webhead as Doc Ock did.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Hey Trombone!

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I thought the movie was good, no, great. Does that make me a Hollywood PR guy and a sellout and a testing ground for ideas and rumours? If so, I want my check...

  • May 11, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST

    re: Unnatural -- Venom

    by Chishu_Ryu

    No, sorry, Venom doesn't warrant his own Spiderman movie. Venom was a retarded creation co-created by a retarded creator, Todd McFarlane. The entire black suit saga would have been a waste of precious celluloid, time, talent, and millions of dollars. And I would suggest seeing it in IMAX before picking it up on DVD.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Hey White Goodman!

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I loved Spiderman 3. So does that make me a sellout?

  • May 11, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    $406,706,330

    by SAVOIR_faire

    just sayin'...

  • May 11, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Re: Reelhead

    by Chishu_Ryu

    1. MJ is singing in a jazz bar because right now it's the only way she can express herself as an artist, it's the only way she can fulfill her dream to sing on the stage forever with Peter in the front row. Being a waitress has nothing to do with being an artist. 2. I am a film editor. Trust me. There was a very strong dramatic flow going on in that scene. If Sam Raimi had disrupted it by adding a "swooosh!" sound effect, slow motioning everything, and going close-up on Peter's eyeball, it would have cinematically disrupted and probably destroyed the dramatic tension built between Peter and Harry at that moment. 3. That's right, I'm the wanker in yer worst nightmare... 4. As I said before, the Goblin formula augments not only the body, but the mind. 5. Spiderman 3 is an above average movie, in that of all the Spidey films, it does the best job of dealing with emotions and compassion and human truths and reality and the complexity of relationships. Ironic, as the villains are also the most unlikely and fantastic of the trilogy.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Aw, come one chishu_ryu,

    by Colonel_Blimp

    You don’t actually believe that I meant the dialogue was poor because Flint and wife weren’t eloquent? Either way, you’re dangerously close to making an ass of yourself. It’s poor because it’s so obvioulsy lacking in subtext, and they’re blurting out exposition that is apparently written by a writer too busy counting his dollar bills to check if the words he’s written actually deserve to be uttered in a $250mill movie. And the pendant still serves no story function, and is still a tacked on attempt at Symbolism 101.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:36 a.m. CST

    This has been said so many times before...

    by Speaker for the Dead

    SP3 should have been about completing Harry/Green Gobling arc and introduced Sandman and Eddie Brock with a hint at the end of the birth of Venom.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Let's see some pictures of your fiancee, Harry

    by wackedfuck

    Some here don't think she exists and I can't really blame them. People will say just about anything about themselves on the net and the unfortunate concensus that fat guys can't get women doesn't help much either. I know you'll still run the risk of people saying that she's just some chick playing your future wife, but so what. At least give us the benefit of seeing *somebody* by your side.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Chishu_ryu

    by smackfu

    The problem with Harry's character arc was that it repeated unnecessarily. His journey from being a bad guy to a good guy was completed, reversed, and completed again. Likewise, his journey from being a good guy to a bad guy was also repeated unnecessarily from the first films. So to recap, Harry went from a good guy, to a bad guy, to a good guy again, then to a bad guy again, then to a good guy again. That's not an arc. It's a series of zigzags. Good guy, to bad guy, to good guy would have been an arc. The extra good to bad was just sloppy filler material to eat up screen time. And you used the fact that each of the last 2 films final act involved Spiderman rescueing MJ from a kidnapping as the excuse for why it was done in this film, when that is the exact reason I, and my others, feel it should not have been recycled again in this film. It's lazy writing to rehash the same crisis 3 films in a row. The audience simply doesn't care anymore after already seeing this scenario played out through multiple viewings of the previous 2 films. Would you consider it good writing if all 5 Superman films ended with Lois Lane dying in a earthquake and superman reversing time to fix it? I think not. There's no point in even addressing your Sandman and Emo counterpoints, you're just making excuses. I've seen your mentality before in Jar-jar defenders from the Phantom Menace debacle and know there's no way for you to ever allow yourself to get my points. When fans have a personal investment in a property and it produces something less then stellar, there are 2 reactions: feeling angry that you were let down by a substandard product, or to refuse to admit anything is wrong, and excuse every single critical point others bring up. You're a freshly beaten wife, putting foundation on your blackeye and telling all your friends that it was your fault for burning the potroast. Meanwhile, the rest of us are filing police reports because no one beats us, fucks us in the shitter and gets away with it.

  • May 11, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    For once I am going to defend harry

    by emeraldboy

    I didnt like SPiderman 3 but I am going defend harry on one point. Harry seems to be an ambitious man. In some case you have to reach out to what you percieve is the enemy and this case its Hollywood. Hollywood doesnt like people who go against the grain. If you allow sly or bruce to come on to your site or if you go on shows like ebert at the movies or have your own tv show or write books. Write articles for penthouse in NY. Appear in films yourself and have friends in high places such as qt and RR then you are no longer anti-hollywood. Harry is planning his future and it may or may not include children. To the tb'ers this all smells like sell but it impresses your children if later on in life you can say I saw John Wayne, Elvis and Louis armstrong in person and tony bennet too.

  • May 11, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Spider sense...

    by tomorrowlight

    Didnt tingle! where the hell was the spider sense?? "Spider sense, tingling!" is an infamous spiderman catchphrase, and he didnt use the freakin spider sense once! Could Raimi just not figure out how to make it work in the film? Its like making a Superman film without seeing him use heat vision or Batman without Baterangs Ditch Sandman and make it about Harry and Venom, the two best things about the film.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    I liked it.

    by BilboRing

    Not as good as 1 & 2 but I liked it. I did find the comedy better than the rest of the movie. Very funny parts. Raime and Tobey nailed it showing what a geek would do if he thought he were cool or smooth. I wanted to see Venom. After I did, I wish he were not in it. Sandman alone could have been a sweet movie. He and Harry would havew been perfect. SM4 could have been all about the alien costume and Venom. So yes, three villians took way too much character development away from all actors. Topher Grace was great. I wanted more of his story too but in a different movie. Sandman rocked but I wanted more of his story. Too much in one movie. Bryce Howard is soooooooo hot.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Hey, tomorrowlight....

    by BilboRing

    I was thinking the same thing. Where was the Spider Sense???? Peter would not be getting hit by spit balls or surprised as much. Only Venom does not trigger his Spider Sense. But that was not mentioned. Probably trying so hard to fit all of the characters in themovie to remember the finer points of the Web Head. But I was wondering where the Spider Sense was. Oh well.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    BilboRing

    by biggles2_22

    Liked Bryce Howard, eh? Fat Freak!

  • May 11, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by TonyHooo

    So, if I'm criticising one female character and only judging her based on her actions that I've seen as a character in the movie, that means that I'm grouping in an entire gender and hating women, expecting them to be "concubines"? Was that the point that you were trying to make? If so, excellent argument sir. Because you seem to be saying that one woman represents an entire gender(WTF?). And you're right, I would love to see 2 1/2 hours of Peter and MJ skipping through fields, and right at the end, Sandman accidently shoots her as well. Then he and Parker can share another heart-warming apology before he drifts back into the sunset. But then the butler pops out of the tall grass and share a revelation that he saw who really killed MJ: Kraven sniped her from the trees. That would make for a brilliant transitiion into "4", one where even the unborn fetus in the audience would have the intelligence to understand. I mean, that's what great storytelling is all about, right? Just because I want a little more out of my character than a blank, wishy-washy stare, distracting facial contortions, "witty" dialogue that all but turns to the camera and winks "Hey, you remember this from the last movie?", and him constantly pleading for understanding from a relationship that both parties should have understood a long time ago wasn't going to work, then tries for the trillionth to reconcile with his Hamlet-wannabe friend/nemesis/friend/nemesis/snowboardin' buhhhhhhhhhddy before he gets bitch-slapped again; Just because I want a little more from a story that has almost endless possibilities other than re-hashing the EXACT SAME FUCKING FORMULA that simply made the filmmakers blindingly rich, doesn't mean that I just want an empty, soulless action movie with zero character development. But I would rather have that than have to sit through two hours of soap opera trite attempting to trick us into thinking that it's character development. Sue me for wanting to be entertained. And, for the record, it appears that all you've been doing for the last 24 hours has been to address every single opinion that you disagree with, trying to undermine their views as "they just don't get it, I do". I haven't said one one thing to attack your opinion because I have the maturity to realize that not everyone is going share the same views as I do. I mean, for christ's sake, we're talking about a movie, we're not debating Geo-Politics. Why can't this simply be a forum for expressing opinions and disagreements rather than attacking each other like five year olds. And don't throw that "You have to be able to back up your opinions if you're going to make them." I don't have to explain shit to you about my movie tastes, buddy. If you read what I wrote and disagree, fine, I'm not gonna try and change your mind about what you felt about a movie. Just don't make assumptions about my character and my belief in women (seriously, WTF mate?), and completely try to trash my feelings about a flick just because you disagree with me.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Harry, Terry O'Quinn as Vulture in Spidy 4...

    by The Ape Giggins

    ...What say you?

  • May 11, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    if only i could have not seen the things i've seen..

    by GeorgieMcFly

    with these eyes.. i saw the first spiderman movie while backpacking in Germany. you know, it didn't matter that i saw it in German and it didn't matter so much that i thought the green goblin was a completely wasted opportunity (especially with someone like DaFoe, who had the perfect face for the Goblin), it's a series of films that i always look forward to seeing. Spidey 3 was the first film i've ever walked out of, i just couldn't take it anymore..now i've sat through shit that you wouldn't believe, but with this i felt like it crossed a line in my brain that said NO!!

  • May 11, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    biggles2_22

    by BilboRing

    What the hell is wrong with her? She is hot. Luckily she does not look like her uncle.

  • May 11, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Harry's Credability

    by ren2001

    With this quote Harry's creability as a movie reviewer has gone forever "but in many ways I do prefer it to the first SPIDER-MAN"

  • May 11, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Harry's credabilty!

    by ren2001

    With this quote Harry's credability(sorry about the previous spelling mistake my brain is fried from studying for summer exams) has gone forever "but in many ways I do prefer it to the first SPIDER-MAN"

  • May 11, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Ross Andru is the definitive...

    by glodene

    Spidey artist. RECOGNIZE!

  • May 11, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    BilboRing

    by biggles2_22

    Dude, did you notice how they didn't film her from the waist-down? She was carrying some major junk in the trunk AND a bun in the oven. But that's ok if your into that sort of thing (in fact I believe there are probably a few web sites that Harry can turn you on to). Just don't be hitting a future Opie in the eye when you go pokin' her.

  • May 11, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    re: smackfu

    by Chishu_Ryu

    1. I don't see yer vision of Harry's character arc. In SM 1, he starts off as Peter's chum, (though we never them actually having real fun together). We also see maybe a hint of jealousy of Peter, kind of like the unfavored brother. The Cain to Peter's Abel. He sees Spidey with his Dad, and is blinded by rage at Spidey. In SM 2, we see the slow disintegration of Harry's humanity. He constantly badgers Peter about Spidey, and tries to follow in his father's footsteps by being a scientific entrepeneur. He learns Pete and Spidey are the same, and discovers his father's Goblin lair, and thus we have Spiderman 3. And in SM 3, Harry having amnesia was not the resolution of Harry's character arc. (At this point, I think you're being blinded by film rules of what a film is supposed to do. Screw the rules! Let's do something different, Raimi!) If anything, it allows us to see Harry and Peter as they were before there was a Spiderman, before there was a love triangle between Harry, Peter, and MJ. We got to see them as high scool chums at the playground, as the brothers they are. We had never seen this before in the previous films. And it makes Harry's return to darkness that much more poignant. No, Peter will not get off so easy with Harry having simple amnesia. Peter and Harry will have to each go through hell before they can get to heaven, and that is where Sam Raimi sends them. 2. Mary Jane. Venom knows, after Eddie bonds with the symbiote, just like the Goblin knows, that the one way to truly defeat Spiderman is to strike at his heart, to strike at him through Mary Jane. First, after Harry left him, MJ is all he has in the world, besides Aunt May. Kidnapping MJ again is just a logical choice. Beating him up is not enough, they must get him in the heart, as well. As far as the audience not caring, how do you know what the audience cares about? I cared. My girlfriend who saw it with me cared. My brother cared. And I'm sure a lot of others did, too. Please don't reflect your blind hatred onto the rest of the audience. As far as your Superman ananlogy goes, that's an improper one, although I don't see why Superman doesn't just do that everytime, it'd be a lot easier. In every film where Lois Lane has a starring role, we see her get into trouble because she's such a snooty reporter and Superman thus comes to her rescue. That's the comparison. MJ has a bigger tie to Spiderman. Plus, I think it's great to see MJ share in Spidey's adventures like that, it gives her character more "oomph." And think of these dramatic MJ rescue moments as MJ and Peter bonding moments. And besides, this is what she was asking for (in Spiderman 2), when she says "screw it" to the danger and gives herself completely to Peter/SPiderman. I've seen your mentality before in for example Hulk haters who refuse to see things a certain way other than their own vision of what should be or what's appropriate for a film or not, who refuse to go into a film with an empty cup, but instead go into it full of their preconceived notions. I'm probably debating to deaf ears, here, but I hope I've convinced you a bit. Like Peter to Harry, I hope I can make you understand through your blind hatred that Spiderman 3 is a good guy, that he didn't kill your father, the franchise. I hope.

  • May 11, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by TonyHooo

    When I read your stuff, all I see is you in Mad Max garb in the Thunderdome, and Tina Turner just started singing

  • May 11, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    re: TonyHooo

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Sorry, shouldn't have called you a woman hater. Hope like Spiderman to Sandman, you can forgive me. What I meant was perhaps you were projecting your view of what a perfect woman should be onto Mary Jane, who is far from perfect, she is real. You talk about Peter's needs, what about Mary Jane's. She's what's important here. She's supposed to be Peter's reason for living, right? And we should get over this whole, it's just a movie, my opinion is as good as yours. NO! There are deeper things at work here. You just don't see it. We're talking about the survival of American culture here. Putting heart and emotion and reality and sentiment back into a culture overrum with irony and pessimism. And, to toot my own horn, I have a talent for seeing the intracasies of films that a lot of people don't. I'm a filmmaker myself, I kind of get what guys like Raimi are doing. I'm just trying to share my knowledge with you, my fellow fanboys, in the hopes of making the world a better place. That's all.

  • May 11, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Chishu

    by TonyHooo

    Can I see some of your work? Do you have a site up?

  • May 11, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Chishu

    by TonyHooo

    HURRY!!! HURRY!! Show me your work!! I need saving from myself and american culture and the only way to do so is to shove your opinions down my throat. Enlighten me, Chishu! Enlighten me! I starve for your guidance, fanboy Moses!

  • May 11, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    re: TonyHooo

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I'd love for folks to see stuff I've done (it's why we do it), but I don't have a site up. I am working at that with a friend. I'm still in the "I'm still making short films" stage, although one of them won an award a few years ago. Maybe, hopefully I can show you something at an AMC multiples one day. Hopefully I won't be relegated to showings at some local jazz club... But I pop onto this site every now and then when I feel impassioned to write, like about SM 3, mebbe we'll cross paths when I have an online way of showing my stuff... I can tell you I try to tackle the sort of things I've talked about. And I truly feel Sam Raimi is on the path to doing what I've talked about, of putting emotion and sentiment and reality back into our cold uncaring just for kicks world...

  • May 11, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    I disagree, Spidey was witty in the movies

    by Abominable Snowcone

    and did say some funny ass lines to taunt the villains, or just in general. Don't you remember: "Love your outfit?! Didja get it out of your wife's closet?"<p> "Say cheeese!"<p> "You know who I am...your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man!"<p> "I have a knack for that."<p> "Shut up and let mom and dad talk."<p> "Jig's up, pal!"<p> "Heheheh. Didn't anyone tell you? I'm the sheriff around these parts!"<p> "I hate those things!"<p> "See ya, chump!"<p> "Heheheh, look at little Goblin Junior. Gonna cry?"<p>

  • May 11, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Robbie mentions to JJJ

    by Abominable Snowcone

    that they only recently hired Eddie Brock. How would Eddie have any reason to know who MJ is, or that she is Peter's girlfriend? Flint never met MJ either. How'd they know who to kidnap? The only explanation I can think of is that the symbiote brought some of Peter's cognition to Eddie.

  • May 11, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    re: Colonel_Blimp

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Btw, if yer referencing Powell and Pressberger's "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp," that's a great flick! Anyway, perhaps you can chalk up the lack of subtext in their dialogue to the fact that they're not deep thinkers. Flint Marko obviously isn't. Birds of a feather flock together. Besides, it didn't need any real deep subtext. This was our intro to the characters of Flint and daughter, Penny. It is what it is, a character intro. But that one scene, poorly written as you think it is, set up Sandman's character, his reason for living. Spidey has MJ, Sandman has Penny. Sandman should be an inspiration to deadbeat dads everywhere.

  • May 11, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    re: Abominable Snowcone

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Eddie also saw/heard Peter in the belltower.

  • May 11, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    TonyHooo

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Forgot one last thing on your first post. The Eddie vs. Peter thing, about Eddie destroying everything Peter's worked for over the years. Well, I think it was more of an attack on Spiderman. Let's not forget, Dark Spiderman trashed Eddie's super expensive camera when he was just doing his job, taking pictures. "What the hell?!?" is right. Can you blame Eddie, a bad seed to begin with, for getting a little revenge. But no, Dark Spidey/Peter smashes not only Eddie's camera, but his career and his life, not that he didn't deserve it, either. But there are better ways of handling disagreements.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Brock Mentioned in Spidey 1

    by BilboRing

    When they hire Peter as a freelance guy. I know I head someone in the background saying "Brock isn't going to like this..." Am I wrong?

  • May 11, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    BilboRing

    by Abominable Snowcone

    No, you are CORRECT. In fact, I brought up Brock's mention in Spidey 1 in some previous talkback. I raised the question of how he can be a "new" photographer in 3 if he was mentioned in 1 as already working there. Only thing I can think of is that it's his dad--he is a "Jr" after all. But that isn't mentioned, and JJJ apparently had no qualms about firing Brock's ass. <p> Chishu, yes Eddie saw Peter in the belltower and learned his identity, but unless he has some other "in" on Peter's life, or unless Peter had brought MJ to a Bugle Christmas party or something, Eddie would still have no reason to know MJ is his girl. It's gotta be Peter's memories in the black suit / symbiote.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Right on Harry!

    by monorail77

    You nailed it. Your review is the only one that finally cracked what this film is, good points, flaws and all. Thanks, brother. You know this character. Too bad you couldn't influence Raimi or the studio exec's BEFORE they put Venom in the movie. Oh well.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    quoting box office gross

    by secracium

    really doesn't attribute to how good a movie is. complete shit has come out and made an ass-ton of money *cough*independence day*cough* while other movies that are incredible in every possible way make absolutely no money until popular by word of mouth and through exchanged dvd's. Donnie Darko? Pi?

  • May 11, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    secracium

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yeah, it all goes back to that whole thing about consumers not really knowing what they're buying when it comes to entertainment (movies, CDs, etc.) You plop your $8.50 down to pay for your EXPECTATION of what the movie might be. And when it fails to impress you, you must chalk it off to having spent your $8.50 on, well, Friday night out at the show. Fine, no sweat.<p> But in Hollywood they count the dollars and think, wow, Fantastic Four made a crapload of money. People must WANT this, and WANT more of it. Well, yes and no. They want stuff like that, because clearly people knew they were walking into a silly superhero movie when they bought their ticket, but people would also prefer that the movie be pulled off well, ie tight story, characters you can identify with, be it like or hate, nice visuals, etc blah blah. <p> When I saw Spidey 3, I had an expectation of what I would see, and I was willing to pay for it as a means of entertaining myself that night. The movie did NOT meet my expectations. Hollywood doesn't know or care what I thought, they're just counting my money. But the thing is, through word of mouth or TBs like this or reviews, a movie like Spidey that is a little disappointing will die quicker and go down in history as an unloved stepchild, and maybe push fewer DVDs. Blade Runner is a great example of a movie that didn't crush the box office, but we all know it's a friggin classic now

  • May 11, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Another mention of Brock in Spidey 1...

    by amrisharmpit

    Was when Jameson and Robbie spoke about how no one could get a good photo of Spidey. Robbie said, "Eddie's been on it for weeks." The movie novelization confirmed this was indeed Eddie Brock. They even cast an actor to play him in a cameo (RC Everbeck), but the role was cut.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone

    by emeraldboy

    with my friend. And before he went on Holiday to cork he bought Spiderman 1 and 2 Dvd and we both saw these in the cinema. Before deciding to see SPidey three. He read the press verdicts, all were poor except Jonathan Ross who proclaimed that it was not only the best spiderman movie but the greatest superhero movie ever. After watching Spidey 1 and 2 on Dvd he came to the decision very poor films and I agree. On repeat viewing the Spiderman movies dont stand up all that well. His view is on Tobey Maguire is that he is a prat. This is one persons view I, know and this person happens to be who is a friend of mine. We both liked Batman begins and said to him some dont like batman begins and said that I noted people comparing batman begins to spiderman 3. some like batman begins and some dont. The reason why Batman strkes a chord with people is that he is a human being. There is none of this crap about being a mascot. He is a billionaire industrialist who happens to protect the city that he loves.You can never imagine Bruce wayne getting drunk on power. Spiderman 1 and 2 are crowdpleasers but dont stand up to any sort critical analysis. After the buzz of has died down and you go back and re-watch, they are kind of weak. I asked my firend about Dunst and he came to the conclusion that apart from being pretty, she isnt all that great of an actress. Maguire is a one note actor who wears the same facial expression during each performance of any films. He carried off the geek thing well in the first and second film. but in three it just doesnt wash. I cannot believe how changed the entire saga by making MArko the killer there by Nullifying Parts one and Two. I stand over by comment about the third film that i will never go to a spiderman film ever again.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Harrys Language

    by Ribeye

    Hey, followed your site for many a year, and always check in for your updates, but dude, whats with the colourfull language ? With respect, you don't do your self any favours posting a review like that. Take it easy. RibEye...

  • May 11, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy, respectfully disagree

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I guess it's a matter of personal taste. Spidey 1 and 2 warrant repeat viewings at my house. The kids love 'em, and I loved 'em too and usually end up watching along with them. I have all the Batmans on DVD, including Begins, which I loved, but I don't drag it out to watch every other week like Spidey. Partly because it's darker and not kid-oriented, I suppose, but it's also less, shall I say "fun?" and more of a character piece (a damn good one, too, I think). <p> But Spider-Man / Peter is very much a human being, like Bruce Wayne, albeit with altered genetics from the spider bite. I think that's why Spidey appeals to a mass audience on a very human level, in a way that a mutant or refugee from Krypton cannot. Peter is a young man with young man's problems, and those problems aren't solved when he gains superpowers--they're only compounded. He still has girl problems, still has to hustle to work and school, and is behind on his rent. Who can't sympathize with those problems? I'll tell ya who--Bruce Wayne. While it's very noble for Bruce do make a CHOICE to do what he does (and I love it) it's his obscene wealth that allows him to do it, and very few of us ever get to live in that world. Almost all of us, I'm guessing, have been or are living in Peter Parker's world. In a way, it's almost MORE noble that Peter too CHOOSES to use his power exclusively for pro bono acts of goodwill and crimefighting, when he could easily make a buck and improve his life by wrestling some more, getting a TV show, whatever. Bruce's choice is a good one, and admirable, but involves little risk because once he returns from training, he already HAS all the resources at his disposal and he doesn't have to concern himself with getting through school or paying the rent or fixing dinner. I mean, how awesome is it to see Spider-Man delivering pizza? I frickin LOVED that shit, especially when the girl says, "You're late. I'm not paying for those."

  • May 11, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    This review was written by a 9 year old

    by nicegoogly

    I am actually surprised Harry didn't start his usual bullshit: "In anticipation of seeing Spiderman 3, I watched the first two films four times last week, although I watch them 3 to 6 times a year, I watched the entire 1978 The Amazing Spiderman tv series at least twice a year, reread every comic prior to the black suit saga, of course, I watched the MTV Spiderhomo series along with Spiderman and his Amazing Friends (along with the Hulk cartoons so I can really prepare for my review of Norton and Roth's new Hulk flick). Now that I now more than all you fuckwads about this character, let me suck some ass and make excuses for a piss-poor action film." Are we to believe that Harry and Raimi are on the same wavelength and that is why he understands this movie better than anyone else. I am a silver age spidey fan, but I don't discount venom as a formidable nemesis for Spiderman, especially a fuckin' CGI Spiderman. Why the hell do I want to watch the vulture? Really? Other than some tiny sidestory to the movie and watching Spidey hit him in the nuts with a web-ball while he monologues. Comic books are all about gimmicks: Death of Superman, Death of Robin, Death of Captain America, anyone remember the Batman/Azreal fiasco? Shit happens in comic books. Some of it is really shitty. Venom could have been done properly if he was given the room to be a major player in the movie. It may not be about Raimi not liking Venom, it could simply be Raimi taking on a lot more than was necessary for this film, and then adding and 1 hour and 45 minutes of senseless Peter/Harry/MJ/Gwen Stacy crap. Peter's love for MJ has been fleshed out in two films that clocked in at over two hours. I could have sworn she accepted the responsibility of Peter being Spiderman as the end of the second movie. And they really fucked up casting Topher Grace as Eddie Brock. Not because he couldn't handle the role, but because he should have been Peter Parker in the frist fuckin' place. Look at him on That 70's Show, he looked like Hammond from the 1978 tv series. He has the same dorky genius appeal Macquire has without the homo. Who gives a fuck if Macquire can cry on demand? By casting Grace as Brock, we lose someone who could be the lead when Macquire leaves Spiderman to do Ciderhouse Rules II. Has anyone seen Tobey's wife? She's a total beard.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Chishu, kudos to you for staying on business,

    by Colonel_Blimp

    Not getting personal. But still, as a writer for television I consider it a mortal sin to rationalize lazy writing with the characters not being deep thinkers. But be that as it may, Flint’s daughter is symptomatic for this movie’s malaise: she’s just a plot device designed to make us sympathize with Marko. And she’s a heavy handed plot device at that. The sick daughter is one of the oldest tricks in the book, and while cliches like that are not necessarily wrong, they need to be handled A LOT more elegantly than it was in SM3. Same goes for most of the other cliches in the movie (butler for instance). And don’t get me wrong. I’m all for heart and emotion and reality and sentiment, as you mentioned in one of your above posts, but I find that’s exactly what’s lacking in this movie. All art, including comics and movies, to me is supposed to be about emotional truth and honesty. IMO this movie is the cinematic equivalent of Patrick Bateman – it knows what kind of emotion it’s supposed to express, but is incapable of actually doing so, so instead we are treated to synthetic emotions which most of all reminds me of join-the-dots drawings (I’ll leave the bad analogies for now). People crying on screen doesn’t equal poignancy.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Phaedrus007

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I don't think anyone is assuming Eddie is dead--we KNOW he's dead because you can see his skeleton flash when the pumpkin bomb explodes, like those Oscorp dudes on the balcony in 1. We know some of the symbiote survived--Connors has some--but Eddie's toast.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    In Ireland they Released the amazing spiderman

    by emeraldboy

    as a film and its successor. So that was my first introduction to spiderman and the cartoon. Which I saw in hotel bedroom in Orlando Florida. Saturday mornings in America, Spidey on the telly and bear claws. Sweet Sticky bear claws. I even had a spiderman/superman t-shirt and got into the oddest arguement in primary school with a kid who didnt believe I had it.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Harry-STOP KISSING RAIMI'S ASS

    by booth77

    The movie SUCKED. Get over it. The script was afwul. Topher Grace BLEW. James Franco is the worst actor since the kid from Star Wars. Kirsten Dunst is NOT HOT. The dialogue was disgraceful. And the ending was forced and ridiculous. WHAT ARE THEY PAYING YOU, HARRY??? Or do you just have terrible taste in movies.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    booth77

    by biggles2_22

    Disagree with you on Topher, but you forgot to mention Gwen Staceys FAT ASS!

  • May 11, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I just want

    by ludmir88

    a big sex sequence with gwen stacy!!!!!!

  • May 11, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Looked like someone seeded that field, sorry!

    by biggles2_22

    The lass was as big as a house!

  • May 11, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    ludmir88

    by Abominable Snowcone

    You'll really enjoy her. I'll send her over when she can get herself unstuck from my wall. See, I blasted my web-shooter all over her. Heh. Web-shooter.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Brock is a "new" photographer in SM3 because...

    by J-Dizzle

    Raimi fucked up. End of story. Pretty much sums SM3.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    re: Colonel_Blimp

    by Chishu_Ryu

    As a writer for television, I respect your opinion, but I still disagree. Okay, you could say Penny works as a plot device to make us empathize w/Sandman in a Tiny Tim/Dickens kind of way. But I think she's more than that, also. She is the reason and the motivation for every fucked up decision Marko makes. As Flint says at the end of the film, "My daughter is all that's left in me." Penny is more than just some non-clever manipulation on Raimi's part, as you say. She is a major part of Sandman's character, she is what drives him. Like any father who's made a connection with their offspring, he can't turn back. He will do whatever it takes to save his child: rob banks, even kill Spiderman, who he probably perceived as some ruthless killer after his deadly battle with Dark Spiderman. And as far as smooth and elegant storytelling go, a guy named John Cassavetes said screw plot and elegant storytelling, but instead focused on the emotional world of the people in his films. Now I admit, Sam Raimi is no John Cassavetes, but it seemed Raimi was making that leap here. This was all about exploring the personas of the characters here. Trying to understand them. To understand what made them so fucked up. Seems to me every character was given their due. And how can the emotions displayed in this movie simply connecting dots? Sam Raimi has spent two films now setting up and establishing Peter, Harry, and MJ. We know them, we've lived with them. And he gives us even more in this film. We live through each moment, second by second in the emotional interactions between the three friends. Peter and MJ's arguments, Peter and Harry fighting and playing together while he has amnesia. This isn't just cue emotional music here. The emotional moments are earned in the acting of Maguire, Dunst, and Franco. The shots stay on them, capturing the eyes quivering, the gasps for breath. As for Sandman's characterization, he needs no such interaction. Flint is clearly living in his own fabricated world in which he is the savior and where he thinks everything he's doing is right. And back to Peter and MJ, when they take each other's hand at the end of the film, and embrace each other, fade to black, that moment is not only endowed by the physical acting of Maguire and Dunst, that moment is endowed with every scene we've seen between Peter and MJ, every high, every low, every adventure, every tear, every laugh, every disappointment. It's endowed from the broken families they both came from. It's endowed with each moment of near death they've both experienced together. It's endowed with a failed marriage proposal. It's endowed with their best friend, Harry's, death. It's endowed with time, emotions, and the maturation of these two souls through three films. It's endowed with a promise. That's what makes that final scene of Peter and MJ, as opposed to Spidey off swinging thru NYC, so poignant.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Yes, it was Cwazola

    by Chishu_Ryu

    You are a smart person who can see fine acting when you see it. Tobey Maguire was a cardboard cutout compared to what he did in Spiderman 3. And Dunst was so 3-dimensional in this one as well.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Yes, it was Cwazola...correction...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    You are a smart person who can see fine acting when you see it. Tobey Maguire was a cardboard cutout in Spiderman 1 compared to what he did in Spiderman 3. And Dunst was so 3-dimensional in SM3 as well.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    saw it today..

    by Mr Chuff

    was totally underwhelmed...and that made me sad. I was looking forward to seeing Venom and Sandman on screen but Venom left me totally cold whereas the effects for Sandman were amazing - specifically the scene where he first tries to get up out of the sand and collapses...Its a shame but I think its time they scaled back and cheered the FUCK up! Bin MJ, she's a whiney bitch. Review over! Oh and super quick review - Grindhouse - Death Proof - Where the fuck was the editor on that sack of shit? Worst QT offering yet (apart from most of his acting output)

  • May 11, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    it's true- Spiderman inexplicably lost his spidey sense

    by samsquanch

    no reason given.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    See, here's the thing...

    by amrisharmpit

    This has been mentioned by many others, but I think the problem was that Raimi made a Peter Parker movie. That's all well and good, but the title of the film is Spider-Man 3. When you spend $250 million on a two-and-a-half-hour comic-book superhero movie, you'd better kick some serious ass because the audience is expecting you to. The fully-costumed Spider-Man was in the movie for no more than 30 minutes total. When that happens, the film is going to lack the kind of epic excitement and tension that the previous films had and which other comic-book films (X2, Batman Begins) also had. A perfect example of what I mean is the final scene. You can't end a Spider-Man movie (and possibly, the series) with a scene of MJ and Peter dancing in each other's arms. It just doesn't work. Maybe on a soap opera or Lifetime TV movie, but not here.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Do you think female readers appreciate the "C" word?

    by chibiev

    Whatever your opinion on "Spiderman 3," there is no more offensive word to a woman than "cunt." Sure, it's your right to use that word. But the "C" word is nearly as bad as the "N" word. I can't imagine you using the "N" word on this site, so why is it okay to use the "C" word? As a woman who visits this site every day, frankly I'm pissed off.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    ON THE TAKE

    by XXLgamer

    Man Harry, how much r they paying u fatboy?

  • May 11, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    chibiev

    by Chishu_Ryu

    That's because a portion of talkbackers here, from what I can tell, are either in middle school or have the mentality of a middle schooler, and that's being unfair to middle schoolers. These ignoramuses casually throwing out the "C" word probably can't take into account a woman's feelings probably because they have no relationships with women outside of their mothers. And when they see any woman who dares speak her mind or get angry, real or imagined, like MJ in Spiderman 3 for instance, she is automatically labeled the "C" word. If it were up to these neanderthals, courting would still involve clubbing a woman over the head. And I'm probably being unfair to true Neanderthal Man. On behalf of the misogynistic males on this site, I apologize....

  • May 11, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    I suppose, Ryu

    by Colonel_Blimp

    we saw two different films. You saw the one where dunst and maguire actually lived up to their reputation as to damned good actors, and I saw the one where they were just phoning in the overcooked lines while EMOTING with the caps lock on. BTW, I'm pretty glad cassavetes didn't make any superhero films.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I agree

    by nicegoogly

    It was wildly inappropriate, especially in the context in which it was used. But Harry seems to believe that saying things like "Watching Episode II was like taking a excellent shit while jerking off. You feel relieved and satisfied while inhaling the pungant aroma of the shitcum you have brought into this world. Oh yeah, Yoda was cool." His fuckin' brainless analogies, similies and metaphors are some of the worst and offensive around. Someone must have told him "You need to grab the reader in the beginning of the review." No one ever showed him how to do it. Now he has given up and gone straight to the offensive without much imagination. There have been references to bowel movements, pedophilia, necrophilia etc...and that's on movies he likes. He talks about how terrible MJ is, and that she should be killed off so we can get back to the continuity of Gwen Stacy. How is killing MJ keeping up with contininuity? Harry should be careful in choosing his words since men who usually speak about women in that context are usually perpetrator of domestic violence. I am an attorney that works with these types of issues every day, and while his revolting similes can jarring, referring to a woman as a cunt under these circumstances is unsettling. I find MJ annoying as hell, but think before you fuckin' speak or write. (please note my profanity, I am not a prude or conservative)

  • May 11, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    My Spidey3 review: BIGGLES2_22 SMOKES POLE

    by Ultron ver 2.0

    Gwen Stacy is hot, and that rumproast is definitely worth hitting. Now go wear some Capris, you ass-goblin.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Also chibiev...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    When you enter this site, keep in mind, it's kind of like entering a fanboy locker room. The majority of talkbackers are males, since the typical AICN movie are directed towards males. You might just run into some offensive gender-based locker room language here, as you already have it seems. Again, sorry.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    The Ginger Jabba just watchd too many Deadwoods...

    by Mr Chuff

    and thinks he's as cool as Al...

  • May 11, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Agree, Blimp...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I'm going to leave you to your interpretation of Spiderman 3, and I'm going to stick to mine. As for Cassavetes, in a way, he did make super-hero films. That hero was Gena Rowlands. Go back and watch Faces or Woman Under the Influence. She was a super-hero of emotions. And the closest he ever came to an action flick was Gloria. Okay, I've spent way too much time at this site, I need to move on with my life. Later. Peace out.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    CARNAGE AND LIZARD!

    by THEGODFATHERs

    I say if those reports of Carnage and lizard ate true weel Bakers gonna be Lizard obviously but if Carnage was in it, I say put Cillian Murphey as Carnage. P.S Loved the film.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Carnage can fucking suck it...

    by Mezzanine

    What a lame ass character. Seriously. Venom should have been awesome in this movie, but Harry is right, Raimi doesn't care about Venom and it shows. Still, Topher Grace as Eddie Brock was genius. His hatred for Peter Parker and desperation really came off. In fact, I would have rather seen Topher as Peter than Tobey. Let's hope we see the Lizard in the next movie too... but keep Carnage the fuck out.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Why the fuck was Sandman in this to begin with?

    by PolyesterRage

    I get Harry Goblin-had to tie up that loose end. I get Venom-dark reflection of Peter Parker and all that jazz. But why the fuck did Raimi screw up the continuity of the first movie to add in a character that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and adds just that to the story? I don't understand what was going on with that? And Harry liked the Random Forensic Butler? Give me a fucking break. Between Sandman, Butler, Amnesia, and Evil Genius Harry, this was probably the most amateur of the movies.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    And MJ was being a cunt.

    by PolyesterRage

    I'm a girl, and it's sadly true. She was being a ridiculous bitch, and Peter Parker should have hit her again.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Why Sandman was in this...

    by Err

    He was in this because Raimi and Maguire love Sandman. Venom is what screwed this film. Not Sandman, not Harry Goblin. Venom, the suit, everything. Avi Arad said that the fans wanted Venom so Raimi was forced to shove him into the film. Sandman was great. It concluded the arc about Peter's uncle Ben. Harry Goblin concluded the Goblin arc. Venom was out of place.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    What a waste of time...

    by Hella Shawn

    Harry, you liked Spiderman 3 because you don't have a fucking choice. You live for this bullshit. Its what you are all about, besides fried food. So even if it sucked you talk yourself into liking it. That review was the most long winded, ass-kissing crap I've ever read in my life. The movie blew hamster cocks and you KNOW it.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    I'll be honest and say that...

    by Mr Chuff

    while I've been "into" Spiderman since I was a kid (long time ago now!) I've always been more of a Batman man. Bit i really liked the 1st two Spidey flicks. Ok gobby was a bit Power ranger lookin but I got past that because Defoe was so good. Doc Oc was the natural choice for part II and to be honest i coulda guessed that Sandman or Venom woulda been in part III. But not BOTH.... and to be honest, the more I looked at Venom on screen the less he kinda worked (for me anyway). The mouth didnt look right and there was no change in the voice and Grace's face was revealed too much. All gripes that other posters have mentioned before me. I just hope that Sony, Raimi, Arad or whoever takes stock and pays attention to the negativity that is floating around this film. There were parts of it that were indications of how good it COULD have been but as a whole I was left a bit let down... thats all.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I've Been Hired To Write SPIDEY 4...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...Here's what I can tell you. Sam Raimi is out as director. Ron Howard will direct SPIDEY 4. The film will not feature the Vulture or the Lizard, but will go outside Spidey's rogue's gallery to the Marvel Universe, and the villain will be the Mole Man (Clint Howard has signed). He'll abduct Gwen Stacey (Bryce Dallas Howard returning). At first, her father and Pete will think the sub-human underground dwellers the Moloids were demons so they'll contact Marvel's sorceror supreme Dr. Strange (Terrence Howard in cameo). Doc will hold a seance and contact the ghosts of Moe and Curly Howard, who will poke and slap each other while telling our hero that it was Hollow Earth people and not demons. Spidey will then journey to the center of the Earth, where he'll battle Moloids, Lava Men, Morlocks and the Mole Man's Monster Army. Avi Arad will be getting story credit.

  • May 11, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Hugely Disappointing Film

    by Giant Ape Balls

    So little of the story was to do with the villains, who didn't really add to Peters "journey" that I didn't care what happened to them. The story was far too jumbled and too many implausable leaps of faith were needed. For example,Harry's butler obviously knew what had been going on but still let him believe that Spiderman had killed his father for a year or so? If anyone is a c**t then its this guy, not Mary Jane. Who by the way, after being threatened by Harry just goes along with it and seems to be quite happy getting on with her job and living her life as if nothing had happened. Where did Pete's spidersense disappear to? Just about everyone in the film gets the jump on him and he's none the wiser (and yes, I know he can't sense Venom). And I am bored to tears with the whole villains with a heart theme. Why can't we just have good old fashioned bastards? The FX were ropy and not convincing, though the Sandman finding his form segment was excellent, the action scenes crossed the lines of plausabilty and cool and went into baffling and plainly ridiculous territory. As I left the theatre I heard several people commenting "Thank God thats over". I don't think I've ever seen an action film that people were bored of. They may have thought it was silly, contrived or plain stupid, but I've never heard people comment that they were bored before and I watched Van Helsing on the big screen!!

  • May 11, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    With all the complaints about the CGI

    by samsquanch

    I have to say, I really liked the Sandman effects. Except- why go to the trouble of showing how his molecular structure became crystalized by (whatever the fuck) that experiment was, and then have him cry tears at the end? Was it because every single character had to cry at some point? Was that in their contract? It was like watching Superman use kryptonite for deoderant.

  • May 11, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Hey Lordmaker- I agree-

    by samsquanch

    Picasso said: "Bad artists copy, good artists steal." People getting all pissy about Heroes "ripping off" X-Men and Watchmen should look up the word 'genre'.

  • May 11, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    To chibiev She's a "C" word because.....

    by AP3X

    Read all about it in my real review of Spiderman 3 here. http://tinyurl.com/22gxbt That's the truth, and is an honest real review of Spiderman 3 from a fan who DOESN'T like Venom or jerk off everytime he's mentioned.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Fucking pile of shit

    by NightArrows

    Raimi needs his fucking ass KICKED for this horrid piece of laughable SHIT. Unbelievably horrid. Jesus Christ this movie was bad and anyone who actually professes to liking it, let alone loving it, should be beaten with a bag of forks. FUCKING HORRIBLE.

  • May 12, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Fucking dorks

    by SithMenace

    Never satisfied. Raimi falls short on one movie and everyone wants to crucify him. Even with the flaws this was still better than Superman Returns and X-Men 3.

  • May 12, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    I was watching tv this morning and there was a special

    by emeraldboy

    on E4 which is a spin off of Channel 4. Anyway they were interviewing the cast of spiderman 3 and interspersing it with clips from from the movie's trailer. One of the clips which was dumped was another pivotal scene where Mary jane and Peter are talking about the state of there relationship, now that Gwen Stacy is on the scene. MJ says something like please stop pushing me away and Peter Parker Says "i am not pushing you away, I love you". I do get the feeling that this was a much longer movie. When I left the cinema my watch said 5.35. This was I had heard a three hour movie. Yet by my estimation it was 2 hrs and 35 mins. Mary jane must have had jealousy issues, which forced her to go after Harry. Towards the End Gwen is not in the movie at all. You do have to wonder was a whole hour of the movie dumped on the cutting room floor. I could be wrong....

  • May 12, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    ...

    by NightArrows

    QUOTE: "I loved Spiderman 3. So does that make me a sellout?" END QUOTE.........No that makes you a mentally challenged mouth breather. But keep pilling on the bar so it drops even faster!

  • May 12, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Right On Harry! Good Insight.

    by Roboteer

    And I usually hate his reviews. It WAS entertaining and in context with the characters and previous two. I sympathise for those it didn't work, but ya gotta give it a chance. Most honest reviews agree that the movie stood up pretty good on its own, but not in comparison of the first two. Maybe the bar was just too high for 3. This is ALWAYS the problem where expectations are not managed. That said, I don't know if I'd ascribe too much attempted depth here. Most of that comes from just being true to the character already created. But of course in bad hands, we've seen how miserable something that simple can be. I do agree that this was an example of too many cooks. If Sam wants to continue, he needs to exercise total control and maybe a smaller budget. Keep the kids out of the kitchen 'til it's done. That would be the best choice for 4, a smaller movie and of course MJ getting deep sixed. I don't know about the Russian tomboy beanpole. Yes, she's perfect for Pete, but wrong for Spidey. So the revese side of the problem. Probably couldn't handle the truth. I think MJ in 3 is a little misunderstood. She acts out agaist Parker because she feels emotionally isolated. How is a super powered being, facing life and death every day, gonna relate to her personal career crisis, self esteem and vulnerability issues. She gets more sympathy from Harry. But can't share the isolation she feels in her Spidey/Parker relationship. As we all know 'they' NEED to talk about everything, and she can't. I'm not amazed how they got geeky Parker right, but how they got women (MJ) so perfect....The worst thing Pete could say is, "Buck up. I been in worse before." Which he does. He needed instead to focus and reflect on HER feelings. But that totally works in the film, because as Harry so correctly noted, he's a geek and not good at relating to women, especially high maintenance ones. And truth be told, it's always like walking barefoot in a room full of mousetraps with the lights off. Right guys? And PS, these anecdotal observations about how YOUR audience reacted are, read my lips, UTTERLY WORTHLESS. At my showing, the audience applauded happily. If you want to gauge the real audience reaction, check the box office. Also, while nitpicking to death Sam's work, can we be more careful here using words like "there, their and they're". I mean we're not still in 6th grade for crissakes. Or are we?

  • May 12, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    re: DarkHawke

    by Chishu_Ryu

    First, I hope this film does continue to do well, and break records. Not sure what the mixed reviews and impending doom of Shrek 3 and POTC on the horizon will have on its box office. My hope would be the kids who enjoy this, who aren't saddled by pessimistic adult ideas that a film needs proper character arcs and three act structures and where all the dots need to connect in a neat and tidy manner. My hope would also be for the women who enjoy this, who are finally given an MJ they probably now relate to. Now, on to your specific gripes... One: Yes, the symbiote falling out of the sky right next to Peter was a bit of a leap in the coincidence department, but then, this whole series has been full of coincidences (that was just the biggest and most convenient thus far) and Peter Parker seems to just be really really unlucky that way. In SM 1, just as he's getting the hang of the Spider thing, his best friend's dad turns into the Green Goblin to complicate things. In SM 2, Peter and May are at the bank, and there's Doc Ock! Of all the banks on all the street corners on all the blocks in all of New York City, Doc decides to rob theirs so as to quickly commence with fighting and hostage taking of Aunt May. Yes, it is a stretch that of all the parks in all the cities in all the world, the symbiote lands in Peter's, but that's just the way Spiderman's crazy Raimi-created fictional sc-fi universe works. Sorry if it doesn't work for you. Two: Having Flint Marko be Ben's actual killer isn't necessarily a retcon. In SM 1, we never saw the actual shooting of Ben. We only saw it through Peter's imagination, just like in SM 3, we saw Flint shoot Ben in cold blood through Peter's imagination. Having Flint as the missing piece fits, they even use the same actor from SM 1 as his partner in crime. As for the coincidence, well again, that's just the way Peter Parker's crazy movie universe works. Three: Yes, it's kind of crazy Flint Marko falls into a very unprotected particle physics experiment of that size, However, there was a 10 foot tall fence with barbwire around it. And I think someone at the lab f***ed up by not putting security around the grounds to make sure kids or escaped convicts fell into the hole. As far as it being open to the air, you mean you don't know that particle physics experiments require complete open air ventilation? Methinks that if Flint Marko were smarter and got himself a really good lawyer, he could probably sue the experiment lab for a bundle and thus get the money he needed. Four: Ah yes, the now infamous Butler. Well, not only was he the Osborn houseman, but like famous comic book butlers before him, Alfred of Batman, and Jarvis of the Avengers, he was also a friend and a confidante. He was going to keep Norman Osborne's evil secret from destroying Harry like it or not. And if it meant allowing him to lay the blame on Spidey, so be it. For the Butler, the Osborne's came first. Either way, Harry saw Spiderman over his dead father's body, it was really just a f***ed up situation. And yes, he still doesn't tell Harry the truth even after Harry learns his father WAS the Goblin and after Harry decides to try to kill Spidey. Remember, he loves Norman and Harry like family. He doesn't want to betray Norman's legacy to Harry that Norman was a good man and father, and a victim, as f***ed up an idea and decision that is. So maybe the Butler saw this getting out of hand and decided "maybe I need to step in?" But then, voila! Harry conveniently gets amnesia, no need! Problem solved! Wrong. Harry gets his memory back. Harry gets disfigured and hurt by Dark Spiderman. Our story reaches an impasse. Our Butler decides its time to talk to Harry, to stop being a yes-man, to stop being a blind to the truth family member. Reminds me of Frank Capra's "It's a Wonderful Life!" and what Stan Lee says earlier in the film, "One man can make a difference." Yes, even the lowly Butler. As far as the Butler being a forensics expert, maybe he had medical training in the war, knows what makes a wound, can tell the source of weapons being a combat medic. Yes, one man CAN make a difference. Five: In addition to point Four, I don't think it was just the Butler's revelation that brought Harry back home. I like to think that Harry maybe knew along that Spidey was good, and that his father had turned evil. He was just like the parent who refuses to believe that their child could actually be a mass murderer, that it had to be someone else. He even discovered his father's Goblin lair. He was just so blinded by rage and hatred and his father's spectre, that he couldn't see the truth. I like to think the pumpkin exploding in Harry's face and disfiguring him maybe brought him out of his rage and formula induced stupor. I like to think that, now maybe being disfigured, and out of his mad rage, he sees MJ on TV and sees his best friend and former love in danger. When he sees Peter Parker plead to him for help, he no longer sees his father's murderer, but his former and still best friend. And thus, our heroic Butler is the straw that breaks the camel's back, that brings Harry back home finally. And Harry is allowed to redeem himself as a hero and a human being. Six: Yes, Sandman was cool visually, but he was also a dimwit, unlike the more intellectually interesting Goblin or Doc Ock. There just wasn't a whole lot going on underneath with Sandy. It was all, daughter sick, me smash to get money, argh! Eddie Brock was more the brains of their Deadly Duo. Sandman was and has always been a moron. Poor dialogue and simple motivation are to be expected of him. He shouldn't be spouting TS Eliot and wanting to continue science experiments like Otto Octavius. He just wants to save his daughter. Simple. Seven: The Dark Peter sequence was meant AT TIMES to be dark funny and dark camp. This is Spiderman, not the heavy handed X-Men. But it isn't funny when Dark Peter outs and publicly humiliates Eddie Brock, disfigures Harry, and strikes MJ is it? Eight: I don't see your interpretation of Peter and MJ's relationship in SM 3. I thought it was handled with the most realism and the most complexity of all the films. In this film, we finally get to see Peter and MJ as a couple. Only, as Harry KNowles says, has never had a girlfriend before and doesn't know how to handle it. MJ isn't simply the girl next door or the girl of his dreams or an angel he's known since kindergarten. MJ is a thinking, breathing, selfish, desirous, imperfect human being. And Peter is now dealing with that as her official boyfriend. We are all f***ed up, going from one emotional state to the next in life. I think Raimi portrayed that well in this film. Nine: One of my reasonings that people weren't clapping and cheering and coming out of the theatre whooping and hollering after Spiderman 3 was over was because it didn't end on a super hight note the way the previous films did with Spiderman off swinging through NYC. Instead, it ended with Harry's death, and with Peter and MJ at a new place in their life, it quietly ended with these two souls embracing each other because all they have in this world now is each other (and Aunt May, of course). Raimi tries to tell us with this last somber shot, that it's the people behind the mask that are important, not Spiderman.

  • May 12, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Raimi doesn't get Venom like Bay doesn'tget Transformrs

    by BRUTICUS

    At least Raimi gets all the other characters and gives them the respect they deserve.<p><p> Bay didn't want to do Transformers, cause it was about toys, he didn't want to do a toy movie. He's admitted that. Just as Raimi has admitted he doesn't ike the venom character and why Venom wasn't half as cool as the other incarnations i've seen of him. I'm no spider-man fan, I like the movies but i've always thought Venom was the coolest thing about Spider-Man. Raimi may not agree but he couldn't deny the fans and had to put him in somehow. Even if he wasn't going to commit to it. Just as Bay has went and made a Transformers movie even though he never bothered to try seeing just what it was that the fans love about these characters.<p><p> <b><font size=4>My call out to directors would be for them to start hiring more consultants. Pull your heads out of your asses and if you're doing a movie where you don't quite feel the excitement that a fan does. MAKE YOURSELF FEEL IT. Figure it out. Talk to the fans. MAKE IT PART OF YOUR JOB. To bring to the screen the expectations of what anyone who is seeing a Transformers movie or a movie with Venom in it are expecting.</B></FONT>

  • May 12, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    sevenrivera , Thank You.

    by BRUTICUS

    Very well said. Harry. The guy is right, you're a happy guy, you love the movies. But how about sticking up for us a bit more and helping us get what we want?<p><p> I think we could get some good userfeedback here. That studios would use. Game Studios and movie studios use Metacritic as a guideline. Why can't AICN set up some sort of Meta system. Where USERS can rate the approval level of what we see? Of the leaks. OK, I know all POLLs online can be cheated somehow. What if each user gets a ranking, by HOW MUCH QUALITY THEY POST. That is the only way to tell that a person is real. Everyone starts out with a ZERO ranking and as they post, and get points. Their ratings become more valid.<p><P> Something like this could help our voices get heard more. I see it in your posts you want us to get what we want and you will stick your foot out sometimes to say a few words in our defense but it's not quite enough....

  • May 12, 2007, noon CST

    omg, AVOID Spiderman 2.1 DVD at all costs...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    In fact, I'm going to take this disc I just purchased and burn it and pretend it never happened. The 2.1 Spidey in the elevator scene was nowhere near as funny or awkward as the theatrical cut. The added scene of MJ talking with a friend about Jameson's proposal was utterly useless and redundant. But most of all, seeing J. Jonah Jameson in the Spidey suit was creepy and disturbing. I know it happened in the comics, but it was retarded then, too. It totally does not work in a movie. I don't know what other shit is in this 2.1 cut because I popped the disc out my player after the JJJ in Spidey outfit scene. I don't know why they released this, to make more money, I'm sure. It was almost like releasing the Special Edition of Star Wars. It's fine the way it is, don't mess with it, please! Here's hoping the Spiderman 2.1 version disappears into DVD oblivion and never makes it to the Blu-ray disc as some kind of new official version. No, the theatrical cut needs to remain the official version.

  • May 12, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by christpunchers2007

    See, thats the problem. You equate this to a kids movie, fine, but the first 2 were treated in a serious manner first then a kids movie 2nd. And also darkhawke only mentioned a handful of coincidences and problems with this film, he left the other half of the stuff out (like eddie brock seems to have his own amazing spidersense for where spidey is at all times). Stop giving it excuses. Just because it makes money doesnt mean that its good. Its very average at best for a superhero flick but for one that follows the first 2 movies its a MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT. By saying "hey its a superhero film, coincidences are fine" is just a cop-out. Yeah sure, one or two major coincidences are fine but when you have more than 5 it really feels like we're just being read a bedtime story instead of a true spidey sequel.

  • May 12, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    and also you mentioned 2 coincidnces in 2 movies

    by christpunchers2007

    while in the 3rd movie there is at least 10 coincidences. Come on now, admit its just sloppy careless writing. If anything i have friends who although found venom cool, thought he was just tacked on. I mean MJ and pete kissing in the web early on, then it felt like they filmed the meteor crashing down months later in order to force the venom plot. Same when he just randomly bumps into cpt stacey to crack some jokes to get himself introduced. You can easily tell that the whole venom/blacksuit/eddiebrock story was something written in at the last minute.

  • May 12, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    re: christpunchers2007

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I'm not saying Spiderman 3 is strictly a kids movie. I'm talking about seeing it with the eyes of a child, unencumbered by silly rules set on us by 50 years of Hollywood that says we need three act structures and everything must be neatly explained for it to make sense. I'm talking about seeing the forest through the trees. Because in many ways, Spiderman 3 WAS THE MOST SERIOUS AND ADULT of the Spiderman films. Here, Raimi tries to understand the villains, instead of simply writing them off as temporarily insane like in the first two films. Here, the relationship of Peter and MJ is explored on a maturity level not seen in the previous films. Both characters are given equal due, and Raimi gives us both the good and the bad of these people. Not just Peter and MJ, but Harry, and the two "villains", as well. For me, Spiderman 1 was the most geared towards kids of the trilogy. I particularly disliked Spiderman 1, and thought the excellent Spiderman 2 was maybe a fluke. Spiderman 3 has made me a fan of the entire trilogy now. For me, this is the way to make studio movies. Screw formula, just put in as much heart and emotion as is fitting, and you'll have great film. I think Orson Welles would even agree with that...

  • May 12, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    well i would agree with you that

    by christpunchers2007

    sp1 was set out to be the most childish one but with good ideas hidden underneath the surface. i think sp1 was the most epic for me and even though at times the coloring scheme, the feel, was very "disney-like" it worked for this movie since it was showing a kid who gains powers eventually learns to use them responsibility. I think raimi pulled off spiderman1 with strides and even now when i watch some of the those scenes like where pete harry and MJ are at norman's funeral at it, it still gives me shivers. Its an amazing piece of film right there and nothing in sm3 gave me that feeling. I think sm2 followed sm1 perfectly since its slightly grittier and darker in tone, loses some of the disney luster of spiderman1 which acts as a progression for the series overr all. Also its not "silly rules" that you need to have logical structures to explain things, i mean if we went by your rules then sm1 and sm2 would have been disasters too and we would have never had sm3. I also disagree with you on sp 2.1, i think the bonus scenes are great, especially JJJ as spidey, shows him as an egomaniac and just how much he envys spiderman. I will agree with you that there are some elements in spiderman3 that were good and i enjoy raimi's intention with this film but overall thats only 5 to 10% of the redeeming things about this film, which are all buried under the badly written scripts and many many missed oppurtunities, which makes the slightly better scenes less "rewarding" and "satisfying" to watch because you know they belong to a better spiderman film overall rather than this junk that we're presented with.

  • May 12, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    whats all this about 'not getting' venom

    by soup74

    read one graphic novel compliation. venom is two beings (eddie brock, and the symbiote) who both feel betrayed and abandoned by peter parker/spiderman. there is a great story there. if you're going to recieve $300 million dollars to make a movie, dont whine about 'not getting it'.. talk to some people that do, and make yourself 'get it.' no excuses. and you know what.. screw all this avi bashing, i bet a full movie of just sandman and peter working out his inner turmoil would have been an even worse movie.

  • May 12, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    I really don't get you people

    by oisin5199

    how is this film any different from the first two? Sure, it may not be as tight as the first film, but 2 wasn't as tight either. The only thing I'd criticize heavily is the over-dependence on coincidence in this film (lucky meteor, lucky sand truck, etc.) I mostly agree with Harry, though I don't agree about Mary Jane only being in love with Spider-Man. I think she's conflicted, like all these characters. <p> Yeah, the dance scene and the street strutting are silly and cheesy but I think they are SUPPOSED to be. I thought they were freakin' hilarious. Even if it doesn't fit with Spidey from the comics, it fits with THIS character. So I agree with Harry there. <p> Also, I had absolutely no problem with the amount of Venom. I didn't really have any desire to see more of him. Both Venom and Sandman are plot devices to reflect the main conflict: between Harry O. and Peter about revenge and forgiveness surrounding the deaths of their father figures, what feelings of anger and vengeance do to these characters, and what they're like when they've let that go and actually enjoy life. In fact, I thought this film was stronger thematically than either of the first two films. I found it interesting that Venom and Sandman were the first villains in these movies that were NOT father figures for Peter. If they had gone that route again, it definitely would have been the Lizard. But this time it's a more adult theme. <p> I don't get the adoration for 2 - it had some great action sequences, but a weak plot with a villain with little to no motivation besides being insane. 1 was good for its origin story but worked best as a setup. I think Raimi made the right decision in not giving in to fanboy wanking and worshipping at the Venom altar. Rather, he told a decent story with some kickass action. Was it perfect? Not by a long shot. But it fulfills the requirements of a fun summer blockbuster - that's for sure. Now save all the bitching for the FF movie.

  • May 12, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by oisin5199

    I read your posts again and I totally agree with you - this was definitely the most mature with the most thematic stuff going on. Even though it was the loosest of the 3 films structurally, it was the tightest in terms of character and theme.

  • May 12, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    oisin5199

    by BRUTICUS

    we know the dance scene was supposed to be cheezy, and thats part of what we don't like about it<p><p>1. It was supposed to be cheezy<p>2. It really was VERY cheezy

  • May 12, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Directors need to EVOLVE

    by BRUTICUS

    As I said in the spidey thread... Yes Raimi admitted to not "getting" Venom" but atleast he got the OTHER characters right. Unlike Bay At least Raimi gets all the other characters and gives them the respect they deserve. <p><p> Bay didn't want to do Transformers, cause it was about toys, he didn't want to do a toy movie. He's admitted that. Just as Raimi has admitted he doesn't ike the venom character and why Venom wasn't half as cool as the other incarnations i've seen of him. I'm no spider-man fan, I like the movies but i've always thought Venom was the coolest thing about Spider-Man. Raimi may not agree but he couldn't deny the fans and had to put him in somehow. Even if he wasn't going to commit to it. Just as Bay has went and made a Transformers movie even though he never bothered to try seeing just what it was that the fans love about these characters. <p><p> My call out to directors would be for them to start hiring more consultants. Pull your heads out of your asses and if you're doing a movie where you don't quite feel the excitement that a fan does. MAKE YOURSELF FEEL IT. Figure it out. Talk to the fans. MAKE IT PART OF YOUR JOB. To bring to the screen the expectations of what anyone who is seeing a Transformers movie or a movie with Venom in it are expecting. <p><P><b>........................<b>Bay you really could have had something cool here but you let your ego get in the way. THAT IS YOUR FAULT. You messed up. The boxy, rigid (STURDY) designs would have left a lot of people happier and you'd actually have people rooting for you here! Instead you threw the baby out with the bathwater.

  • May 12, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    What you don't get...

    by NightArrows

    ...Is that this film was a complete joke. it seemed that in every scene, Raimi strove to see what he could do to push the cheese envelope and still get away with a movie. The crowd scenes are fucking terrible. The supporting scenes, like the news team, were fucking horrible. The acting was retchid, how the fuck was Emo Peter supposed to be threatening?, the Dance number made people leave the theater. The Butler? What the fuck was THAT? "Gee sir, I've had this information for a while now, and thought I'd let you trash the fucking mansion before I told you Spidey didn't kill your father. Sandman as a giant Stay Puft Marshsandman? The Spiderman films were never for kids, but for the kids in us comic fans. This movie was fucking EMBARASSING to watch and you should feel ashamed of yourselves for conning yourself into defending this piece of shit.

  • May 12, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Chishu Ryu

    by conbarba

    there it is, a great nickname.

  • May 12, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Spidey 3 is not perfet but still decenet.

    by Violator90

    Ok let’s face things. Spidey3 is not perfect by no means it’s still an enjoyable movie on some level. But nowadays, what comic-book movie will be done right? My gripe is this: As every one knows Sam never wanted Venom; and I totally agree; that Venom should have never been used in this movie, but of course you have Avi and the suits shoving Venom down Sam’s throat instead of saving Venom for another movie. All the stuff that the Venom saga brings to the table is plenty for Venom to be the main villain in a movie (and yes I AM one of those Venom fans.)But I never wanted to see Venom this early in the series, especially when Sam has made it crystal clear to EVERY one in the world that he's not a Venom fan and never wanted to use him. And speaking of fucking things up. . . how do you fuck up the GREEN GOBLIN for a second time?!?! Harry is suppose to be the new Goblin but looks more that a futuristic skater! WtF?! There is so much material on each character (Goblin, Venom and Sandman, though I never cared for Sandman) that either one could have carried the movie with little to no help from the other character IF the character was developed fully! But since the Goblin and Venom have extensive history with Spidey, these two could have so easily have made the movie alone. Wouldn’t it be enough to have a full blown NEW Goblin and a well developed Venom to really emphases the darker side of a person and what “poison” within can really do to some one. Wow! I guess that the whole Goblin Legacy AND the Venom saga didn’t have enough material to drive a movie alone. Fucking morons! If your going to stuff a ton of stuff in a movie don’t make it 2 ½ hours just make it 3 ½ hours. Hell it worked for the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Seriously! What is wrong with Avi and the suits! Leave Sam alone. He knows the material and knows how to use them—WHEN let to do so. Suits, just give Sam tons of money and leave him alone to do what he knows best. Trust the man. Avi, get your ass out of Hollywood and go give Stan Lee Marvel Comics to run, because you’re just fucking up everything that Marvel is. If any one is to take the brunt of the blame it’s the suits and Avi. I blame Avi big time. Avi knew from the start that Sam does not like Venom, and still Avi pushed Venom somehow to the studio-probably showing them how much money and popularity Venom can bring-and forced Sam to added Venom into this movie. They should have just left Sam alone and let him used the Vulture and Sandman storyline and NOT use Venom, setting up the fourth one with the Lizard, then Venom and Kraven hunting down everyone. Now that would have been something to see. These morons are pretty much raping comics for the money they can rake in. FF, GHOSTRIDER, and DAREDEVIL just to name a few that where just not handled right just to make millions off the fan base. And the news that Galactus being a cloud instead of the magnificent world-eater giant that he is in the comics, just makes me want to give up on watching comic-book movies all to gather. Man do I hate Hollywood.

  • May 12, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    $430,415,376

    by SAVOIR_faire

    and counting

  • May 12, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    oldest trick in the book..

    by Cotton McKnight

    I hate to be a cynic but criticizing the movie by pointing the finger at "studio execs" is the oldest trick in the book. Its a surefire way to keep Sam Raimi your buddy while trashing the movie. I don't buy that he was forced to put Venom in there.. I mean after all, why would he put up with that? Don't you think he would walk? Don't you think less of him for NOT walking? If indeed your theory is correct? So why don't you spend time criticizing him for putting up with that bullshit? Why? I will tell you why- because you are kissing his ass. Game over, I'm right, you're wrong, and there is nothing you can say that will change my mind.

  • May 13, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    yeah, the crowd scenes were awful

    by oisin5199

    but they have been in EVERY Spider-Man film. I still don't get what separates this film from the first two. I mean the first movie had Macy Fucking Gray and giant balloons. Every one of these films have had over the top crowd scenes, cheesy dialogue, pointless cameos (in fact I think this one had less! No random comedian coming out and saying, 'look Spider-Man' just to get his ugly mug on film), coincidences, deus ex machina (machinus). I really think you people are kidding yourselves about the supposed 'greatness' of the first two films that this film has somehow let down. All of these films have been cheese fests, but damn fun ones, with some decent characters and themes. Come home from the comic-cons and realize that decent films are about actual characters, not masks and spandex suits.

  • May 13, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    What an awful review

    by Furan

    God, for that i would kick you out of the classroom.

  • May 13, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Harry should learn to do two things

    by emeraldboy

    Seperate his Movie reviews from his friends in the business. His reviews are wrtten in a manner that suggests to me that he believes that he in his own mind some kind of media mogul and if he says one bad word about his friends that he will go back to being insignificant harry knowles. This makes his reviews completely dishonest. Most reviews are written in that manner that one either likes/dislikes a movie. Take fast food nation. I loved the book and hated the movie, which I saw yesterday. This was aimless mess of a movie, which wasted the talents of a great cast and ended so abruptly, you wondered what the point of making the movie was. Would harry give this a bad review, no, i doubt why cause richard linklater is a friend of his. That is something that harry feels he cannot do. He says he loves movies and his passionate about them. Youth Without youth will be given a gold plated review. On the basis that Francis is harry's new best friend. That is why he setup talkbacks. He gets others to thrash the system and movies. That is dishonest. and kind of cowardly.

  • May 13, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Harry says...

    by Akira1987

    Harry points out that he thought that Bad-Peter was right on point, but he also says that he he didn't like the whole Venom stuff. But if you leave out all things Venom, there is no Bad-Peter, and that would have improved my feelings towards the film a lot. It's not the only thing that bugged me about Spidey 3 but that would have helped.

  • May 13, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    This could have been sooo much better

    by freemind

    S3 could have been sooo much better, and here's some things they fucked up on: 1. Sandman: Nobody cares about him, he is not a villain that you'll see and automatically know the name of, that aside, hayden-church did a great job. 2. The drama: Wayyy to much crying and whining, this flick was like a hybrid of smallville and gilmore girls. I know the comics have personal issues but out of the 28 pages in a comic book 25 are action. If rami made a comic, 80% of it would be MJ or peter or gwen or harry or aunt may or uncle ben or marko flint or marko flint doughter or eddie brock crying. Seriously, every major character in this film had a 5 min crying scene. 3. Venom: Rami took venom into his basement and raped him. he totally ruined the character because this is how most people will see him now. a spider-man clone with teeth. NO. That's not waht venom is, he is such a great villain because spiderman sees inhim what he could've become if he kept the suit. He is spiderman, but the mre evil version. In the comics, he would have never teamed up with sandman, venom belives himself to be a hero aka a lethal protector, he has never teamed up with others to get spiderman. 4. The dancing scene: If i ever wanna see spiderman 3 again, i'll just pop in my "the mask" dvd and fast forward it to the danicing in the club scene. ( it's better cuz diaz is wayyy hotter than Little miss opie anyway) 5. whay in every spiderman movie do wee need to see peter experiance the "uncle ben dying" tragedy.....they need to put him through more shit, like MJ dying ( cuz there was no point to gwen being in the movie) Anyway, Fuck spiderman 3 it's avery very very bad movie, and i think i liked ghost rider better than this crapfest

  • May 13, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    While a 60m 2nd weekend is great, it's still a 60% drop

    by Pennsy

    From its opening weekend. $622 million worldwide, almost $243 million domestically.

  • May 13, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    $621,666,000

    by SAVOIR_faire

    and counting...

  • May 13, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    I have seen Lost

    by emeraldboy

    episode Called Man behind the curtain. I am in Shock! I cant belive what the writers have done. OMG. Your Bastards. You Fucking bastards. I am not going to say what happens. this demands an immediate talkback. But literally My jaw is on the floor. You dont even see it coming. But when it happens, WOW! just WOW. If you have seen this episode youll know what I am talking about. The only thing I will Say is that Ben is insane.

  • May 13, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    WHY SPIDER-MAN 3 SUCKS

    by one9deuce

    It has no story. <p> No. Story. <p> Harry wants to kill Peter because he "killed his father". Peter wants to kill The Sandman because he killed his uncle. The symbiote wants to kill Peter for breaking up with it. Eddie Brock wants to kill Peter for getting him fired. <p> Where is the story? It's not about ANYthing. It's plotted purely on character conflicts just exactly like.........<p> a soap opera.

  • May 13, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Sorry, deuce

    by JackTheMime

    But the first two aren't very heavy on story either. In the first one, the Green Goblin is pissed for getting canned so he vaporizes all the old fucks who screwed him over. Spider-Man kicked his ass and so the Goblin decided to get revenge. There's a moral lesson at the end. In Spider-Man 2, Doc Ock is insane and trying to prove to the world that he isn't a gigantic hack. Moral lesson at the end. All these movies have are their special effects, the characters, and the moral lessons they learn. That's really it, man.

  • May 13, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    re: one9deuce

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Edward Dmytryk, a famous film director, wrote: "The short form [of the screenplay] gives the writer less room for the development of both plot and character, and for some reason, plot is favored by most film playwrights. In my opinion, the character should always be the chief concern."

  • May 13, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    You are WAY to kind on this film, Harry

    by Hjermsted

    How could they have gotten Spider-Man 2 so right and #3 so wrong?! Sam Raimi has obviously lost control of the franchise. If, for some bizarre reason, he does indeed sign on for a fourth go round, he needs to put a clause into his contract that officially shues all the producers out of the room and off of the set. Spider-Man 3 smacks of too many cooks in the kitchen. The result is a film that comes apart at the seems. Spider-Man's mask is off so often, I'm surprised his identity as Peter Parker is still considered a secret. The ham-handed flashback scenes are slow, unneccesary and (at points) insulting. We KNOW the black spidey monster hates loud reverberating sounds... we saw that happen 30 minutes ago, we haven't forgotten. You really don't have to flash back the church scene. Ugh. During the character moments I... just didn't care about the characters or the words they were saying. I felt like I had mistakenly walked into a George Lucas film. (And really... George Lucas thinking Spider-Man 3 is silly? That's exactly how bad your last three movies have been, George! Your too smart to be in denial.) Ugh. UGH. I hated Spider-Man 3 even after I adjusted my expectations due to the mixed reviews and cut it some slack because... hey, it's Spider-Man! And the Spider-Man/american flag thing? Save it for the Captain America film, would you?! One expects that kind of jingoism from certain hero types. Spider-Man was never one of those types by my estimation. If Marvel ever makes an Alpha Flight movie... I hope there's a scene of them standing patriotically in front of the canadian flag with swolen music blaring. Then, for once, I wouldn't be laughing alone at the superhero in front of the flag scene.

  • May 13, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by one9deuce

    Story is a separate and different thing than plot or character. <p> JackTheMime, I never said that Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2 had much story. They don't.

  • May 13, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    And another thing Chishu_Ryu

    by one9deuce

    If you think Edward Dmytryk is a "famous" director, you need to rethink your definition of famous. I would think less than 1% of AICN talkbackers have even seen an Edward Dmytryk film.

  • May 13, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Hjermsted

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Hjermsted, do you think Sam Raimi was in complete control of Spiderman 1 when we were given that brilliant cameo by Macy Gray or were subject to Cingular subliminal advertising? When 200 million dollars are involved, no one is in complete control of a movie unless they're named George Lucas. And it seems to me Spiderman's mask was off a lot in the other films, as well. It's just in this film, we're dealing much more with Peter Parker and the people in Parker's life. Face it, the Spiderman mask can't act, it can't show emotion, it can't smile, it can't cry, it can't argue with MJ about other girls or moral support. We wouldn't be able to see Peter's glee at the crowd before he receives the key to the city. We wouldn't be able to see the forgiveness on Peter's face at the end. Your comment about not caring for the characters or what they were saying means ALL YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT is the Spiderman costume and watching the costume beat up bad guys. Well, sorry, but Mr. Raimi didn't make this film for you. He made it for people who want to see a more human side to all these comic book movies coming out these days. Perhaps he made it for himself? As far as the flashback scene of Venom goes, I assume that you are a Spiderman comics fan and are aware of the character's repulsion to loud sound vibrations. Well your average moviegoer is not aware of this. It can't really be automatically inferred from the belltower scene that the black suit was being affected by the ringing bell. So perhaps a little flashback recognition was necessary for those who know nothing about Venom as a comic character. Besides, that flashback was for Peter, not for you. As for the Spiderman/American flag thing...well, Spiderman has swinging on and off of flagpoles since the Lee/Ditko days. If any hero is gonna be swinging, running, or just whatever in front of the flag, it's going to be Spiderman. Plus, Spidey has the same colors as Old Glory, so it makes sense from a visual standpoint, anyway. And Captain America doesn't need to stand in front of the American Flag, buddy, because he is the Flag! Cue Lee Greenwood song...

  • May 13, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    one9deuce

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Than I believe you were referring to the lack of "plot" in Spiderman 3 because it seems to me there was story and character to spare. I mean, what were the characters doing the whole film, walking around and beating up things because they were bored? We saw the continuing story of Peter and MJ, of Harry, of Sandman, of the black suit, of Eddie Brock. Spiderman 3, if anything, was an ensemble film, with several stories going on at once. As far as plot goes, the film was a complete mess (JUST LIKE LIFE), which may account for a lot of the backlash against this film. But it seems obvious to me that Raimi was going away from plot and focusing on character. And, I'm sorry, I meant to say Edward Dmytryk, the somewhat famous but very well respected film director...

  • May 14, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    This Film was Terrible

    by Dr.Sonus

    De-Crescendo.

  • May 14, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST

    FUN

    by maitlanr

    Or Harry impregnates MJ while the butler cleans the silverware with a little white rag, watching with a smug expression, a twinkle in his eye, the two young lovers love one another gingerly, quietly, unduly. After the cuddling, the amnesiac Harry will paint a picture, some piece of abstract art about the Bolsheviks, chess, reification of class warfare. But then the Butler, whom he had no idea was there the whole time watching, and cleaning the silverware, will inform Harry that MJ was "faking it" initiating the demise of the relationship. Or: close up of "Cookie" mixing the cookie dough, with evil thirty seconds to mars music playing in the background, which seems to make her mix the dough faster, and faster, more aggressively, as her eyes narrow, her forehead begins to break into a sweat, while her father groans and rubs his head and says, "Oy vay, I'm such an idiotic and sensitive eastern European! That Parker, man, I can give him hell, but when he yells at me, Oy Vay, I can feel my heart break" Or Topher Grace dying his hair, skipping around his apartment a la demi moore in striptease. Or Church topping off Alex Payne for revitalizing what has always been a retarded career Or Parker's science teacher starts drinking, showing up to class drunk, and then the requisite downfall: driving drunk, alienating his wife, his kids, losing his job, which climaxes when Peter learns while he stands over the tremor stricken body of his favorite teach, that the one thing Spidey can't save is a man's soul and that that soul saving business is best left to Butlers Or Church sticking that locket up his stupid ass a la walken and going on about the feelings of shame and guilt Or a digital chris reeves discharging wisdom inside of aunt may's hat right before she puts it on Or Ben coming back from the dead to announce that it wasn't the sandman who killed him, but the Jews, who are, as you all know, responsible for the spike in gas prices, the Gadsden purchase, and all those clever animals (muppets?)

  • May 14, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST

    CHESUS RYEIE

    by maitlanr

    "your comment about not caring for the characters or what they were saying means ALL YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT is the Spiderman costume and watching the costume beat up bad guys. " you're retarded...that's terrible logic... explain the development of Harry, of Peter, of MJ? What changed them over the course of the movie? (going from living to dead doesn't count...) if you can say that they changed, which you will, were these changes undertaken to service the demands of the plot? or would you contend that they were organic, natural? and second, the american flag doesn't make visual sense. why not throw him in front of a big fucking pepsi sign? why not have him sleep with a pocket sized constitution under his pillow? if he's always flapping around on flag poles and shit, what is the like lee hood that spidey would come across one of those rainbow flags that symbolize gay power...why not show that, show him in his neat little super suit promolgating gay culture the way that shitty red neck who sez git r done exploits the flag and knee jerk nationalism? because there are too many colors in the gay rainbow it wouldn't make visual sense? like having a black and white couple beside one another? I can't believe your eye is still attracted to the old red and white and blue, to think it visually arresting...that's crazy...but hey, people have been defending cliches ever since comic books came out in plastic sleeves and some one said these things are worth something because they have an influence on our popular culture. (sean penn is a turkey)

  • May 14, 2007, 1:34 a.m. CST

    maitlanr

    by christpunchers2007

    wtf was that? haha.

  • May 14, 2007, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Regarding the dance sequence...

    by Crimson King

    There's only a small part that really irked me. I could totally deal with Emo Peter Parker. That was fine. The little jig he does after he comes out of the suit place...amusing. Dancing with Gwen Stacy...no problem. Jumping and swinging around just before that....fucking LOATHED that part. If that tiny bit had been cut out, infinitely better.<br> <br> That is all.

  • May 14, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Spider-man 3 = Ghostbusters 2

    by theyreflockingthisway

    I don't think it's fair to compare this movie to X-Men 3, Blade 3 and especially Batman Forever/Batman and Robin. It's a flawed film, but it's still light years ahead of those. To be honest I think it's best to compare Spidey 3 to Ghostbusters 2 (if anything). Despite the fact they're both New York movies featuring a mood changing goo with all the original cast and crew returning (minus composer), they're both very enjoyable movies that don't quite match the previous film in terms of quality. However, ask anyone now, and people are quite fond of the Ghostbusters sequel even though it wasn't as well received at the time of its release. I think people will look back at Spider-man 3 in the seem way and we'll remember the many things we did enjoy about it and not the minor flaws we can look past.

  • May 14, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Hey maitlanr

    by Chishu_Ryu

    That was some amusing posts there, pal... hope the speed has worn off by now. First, about the character development. I wouldn't call Harry's amnesia a completely natural and organic development of Harry's character. But he did take a hard fall in the fight, it happens. A tight rope walker who falls and breaks their leg isn't exactly going through natural organic development, either. But it happens. And Harry's amnesia did serve the plot there a bit, yes. By him getting amnesia, Spiderman didn't have to worry about him for the rest of the first half of the film. But it didn't so much serve the plot(what little there was) as it served his character. It made him more three-dimensional to us. For the past three films, all we've really seen is the jealous and bitter Harry, the blinded by hatred Harry. Here, we see free from the bitter jealousy and hate. Here, he is simply Peter's best friend. But amnesia doesn't last forever. Harry's final character turn at the end I'd say could be a natural progression from a pumpkin bomb exploding in his face, from Peter trying to tell him the truth of what happened for the past two films, from Dark Peter telling him some painful truths about his "true" relationship with his father, from Peter coming to him as a friend for help, from seeing MJ being held hostage, from Harry possibly knowing all along that his father Norman was f***ed up all along but denying it up until now at the 11th hour, from having the little there with the family Butler, and Harry finally realizing himself that with great power comes great responsibility. So yeah, I'd say that was natural. Now, I don't have time right now to talk about MJ and Peter's natural and organic character development but I will later. Second, the Spiderman/American Flag thing. Well, there isn't a Gay Pride rainbow flag exactly hanging from every building in NYC is there? In fact, I think there's none, so I'd say the likelihood is zero. And I can't really think of any other flag that would be flying except maybe a New York state flag. I think the American Flag is everywhere now in a post 9/11 New York City. We ARE IN AMERICA, right? And is Spiderman necessarily promulgating knee-jerk nationalism by running in front of it? He's not exactly picking it up, waving it, and chanting "USA! USA!" is he? He runs in front of it for like one second, and it even fits in that moment of the film. Spiderman is being hailed a Great American Hero by the people of NYC, he's being given the key to the city. It almost makes for great crowd pleasing theater (within the context of the film) to run in front of it, and it looks interesting visually because Spiderman's costume has the same colors as the flag, kind of like Superman, but unlike, say Ghost Rider.

  • May 14, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST

    SOMEONE SAID THIS ABOVE

    by BilboRing

    Not a great Spidey movie but it blew away X3 and Superman Returns. I enjoyed the movie and I am a huge Spidey comic geek. The part that I did not like was Venom. He should have been his own move. Then more could have been put on Sandman and Peter's life. I wanted to see Venom too I admit it. When I saw the first trailer with Venom I was all geeked out. But in the movie it just did not work b/c it was too rushed. If the entire movie was based on the alien suit and Brock, the movie would be great. But what can you do? Still a very entertaining movie. I thought Tobey and Co. were all great in their roles. The movie was just too overloaded. I would have liked to see more between Peter and his landlord. I just enjoy that stuff. He is a hard ass but he really likes Peter and looks after him. MORE OF THAT!! Less villians next time.

  • May 14, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Jeez

    by Gatack

    I think a lot of the Talkback is pretty harsh on a certain level (comparing it to Batman and Robin and Batman Forever is just crazy) it's obviously not a perfect movie but still fun to watch. But Harry does need to seperate the buisness/friendship aspect of his reviews. http://tinyurl.com/372qj3

  • May 14, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Chishu Ryu, regarding 2.1

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Yeah, the alternate elevator scene was not as funny as the one that was really used. And I agree the extra MJ scene with her friends was pointless. But you're saying you didn't like the extra bank fight stuff or train fight stuff? I totally dug that stuff. The question is whether that stuff alone justifies double-dipping with an extra DVD release. I don't think so--it should have been extra stuff on the first edition of the DVD.

  • May 14, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    so Abom...

    by just pillow talk

    did it get any better after your second viewing? How did your daughter like it?

  • May 14, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Hey pillow

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Daughter liked it. We've already got a lot of the dialogue memorized, not that it's difficult with Spidey movies. For me, it got worse instead of better cuz I knew where to look for the flaws, and because I was looking, I found them all the more glaring. My fave is still 2. I like the score, especially the pretty stuff during the Sandman rebirth and the bombastic "villain" themes for black Spidey and Sandman. But as far as the characters and storyline and all that, they seemed worse. I imagine it'll get to a point where it "levels out" for me, meaning, I'll get the DVD and see it so many times at home with my kids that I'll just come to accept the picture for what it is, the way you stop noticing the moles on someone's face and just see 'em for who and what they are. Perhaps not the most attractive thing goin', but hey there they are.

  • May 14, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    I hear ya...

    by just pillow talk

    I saw it just once and I'm not in a big hurry to see it again. It certainly seemed that Sammy didn't have his heart in it or something. If the dialogue between all the battles was better, it wouldn't have mattered that the movies was 'stuffed' with 3 villains. The sandman bothered me in terms of the rooftop forgiveness scene (crap) and him becoming a 75 foot sand monster. That is not sandman. It was just such a missed opportunity. Talk about a punch in the gut.

  • May 14, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    The move had flaws, but it was better than most...

    by CrichtonAstronut

    comic book adaptatiobs. Way better than Ghost Rider, FF, or X3. And at risk of being lynched I'll admit to like Superman Returns, but Spiderman 3 was better than that too. It just wasn't wasn't as good as Spiderman 2, and not quite as good as the first spiderman either. Ghost Rider actually got a few good fan reviews because no one really expected anything from that movie. So it could suck a little, and people would love it for not sucking a lot. After the near perfect Spiderman 2 the bar was raise maybe unrealistically high. A few bad bits and people are treating Raimi like he suddenly revealed himself to be Satan or worse Joel Schumacher. Yeah, the butler scene was messed up. Everone I know said the same thing. "Why didn't say that before? And there's just really no good reason. Plue I don't think Harry would've been that quick to forgive Peter after dark Peter blew half his face off. It would've been more believable if he went there to save MJ and left things between him and Peter unresolved. or mabe on.ly come around afyter Venom runs him through. Dark Peter, loved that he loked like Crispin Glover in Willard. Very serial killery and I liked how he got more violent and mean with his enemies, but humor bits seemed mispplaced and took away from the sense that he was in real danger from the symbiote. I think he should've taken notes from Buffy's "When She Was Bad" to see a good person gone wrong handeled well. I also can't be quite as fo giving that Raimi didn't get Venom or the black suite story, he's rewritten so much Spiderman history and has significantly altered the personalities Sandman and Doc Ock, to make them more sympathetic and interesting, I don't see why he could not have done the same with Venom. But for all that this movie actuall did get some things right. Church's Sandman was brilliantly played and I'm sorry we didn't get to see more of him. MJ and Peter, had some very good scenes together before the black suite. Harry had some great character development, even if his last minute reformation was a bit rushed, and again don't get me started on that butler scene. Eddie Brock as pretty good before Venom turned him to the mustache twirling side of the force. As always every J.K. Simmons scene is comic genius and Bruce Campell had his best Spiderman cameo yet. Which maguire also played well for laughs. So it wasn't perfect but it was still damn good.

  • May 14, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Punch in the gut

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Don't get me wrong, it is Spidey and I enjoyed myself (largely because of the enthusiastic geeks in the crowd). But to me it was like a golden shower--warm urine spraying down into my face. Not that I'd know what that feels like

  • May 14, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    The problem with the pumpkin bomb

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Is that the first movie--and very end of the third--established that pumpkin bombs pretty much explode and vaporize everything in the vicinity. And this one went off right next to Harry's face. I liked how it was portrayed onscreen, with Dark Peter webbing it and hurling it back--but everything we've learned in the series tells us Harry shoulda been vaporized, with a skeletal flash and everything. Just another small prob with this film. Really, sergeant should consult me next time and maybe his stories won't come off like swiss cheese. <p> My Spidey 4 would focus on Connors becoming Lizard and killing a few innocent New Yorkers. Who do they get to deal with the problem? Kraven the Hunter. But once in Manhattan, Kraven is coaxed into hunting Spidey by JJJ. Jameson offers money, but Kraven realizes the hunt itself would be terrific and sporting. Meanwhile, as Peter plans his marriage to MJ, he learns that Connors is the Lizard and must find the 'humane' way to stop him, before Kraven does. And then he himself must reckon with Kravinoff. That's my story idea, and I think it rocks balls.

  • May 14, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    The MacFarlene version of Venom was ideal

    by Gorrister

    Venom has been screwed up bigtime over the past two decades. And he shouldn't have been brought into this film...especially be a Venom-hater. The ORIGINAL version of Venom (and Eddie Brock) was as a dark version of Spider-Man. Eddie Brock saw himself as a superhero. He actively worked to SAVE innocent lives. Venom/Eddie saw Spider-man was a supervillian and thus was devoted to killig him. That was what made Venom such an interesting character (in the beginning). He KNEW all of Parkers secrets. He knew he could use the people in Parkers life to hurt him, but he didn't. Those people were innocents, so he would never harm them. This movie portrays Venom more along the lines of Carnage....which makes me wonder if the director got confusted between the two characters.

  • May 14, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Snowcone

    by BilboRing

    Sounds good. I like your storyline. Maybe hollywood will read it and like it too. As for Venom, the MacFarlane Venom was awesome. That Venom could fill an entire movie. Once it became an Eric Larson Venom in the comics, it sucked balls. Carnage purely sucked ass too. Oh well. Here is hoping for a SM4 that brings back the glory of 1 and 2. Still, SM3 was not a bad movie by a long shot. Just not as good as 1 and 2.

  • May 14, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Snowcone

    by BilboRing

    Sounds good. I like your storyline. Maybe hollywood will read it and like it too. As for Venom, the MacFarlane Venom was awesome. That Venom could fill an entire movie. Once it became an Eric Larson Venom in the comics, it sucked balls. Carnage purely sucked ass too. Oh well. Here is hoping for a SM4 that brings back the glory of 1 and 2. Still, SM3 was not a bad movie by a long shot. Just not as good as 1 and 2.

  • May 14, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    How can you get venom wrong?

    by CrimsonX

    I was never a spidey fan...I was more into dark characters like batman and silver surfer...But when spidey was consumed by the symbiote(not black suit) he became an interesting character and the control the symbiote had over him...For the first time it gave spiderman weakness over himself...The ultimate spiderman comics is by far my favorite especially what they did to reinvent the whole story line, now for the Spiderman movie’s. Back in 2002 spiderman started this whole superhero fiasco we still see today and the years to come...It was an explosion not because of the idea but because of the marketing and toys...Remember Batman and Robin? Spiderman was a great start but the Goblin suit was the downside to it...Maybe if they would have used the Goblin from Ultimate spiderman it would have been an improvement...Spiderman 2 I think was flawless until he took his mask off in the train scene...But spiderman 3 man how can you go so low...I mean its impossible to get these characters wrong because the information is in the comics itself…Its not like you have to invent something from scratch and put it on screen...I mean the sandmans story was wrong and venoms was a total disappointment...I mean the actors were perfect but how can anyone get the characters wrong...We have the sandman flying and impersonating something that came out straight from the mummy...Then we have venom who looks like reptile from mortal kombat...Its stupid for someone to say they don’t understand venom if they don’t understand sandman himself, and what’s the deal of them trying to make sandman into a good guy...Why? Plus to insult a character like venom is a direct attack to the real fans that have kept the spiderman series going for this long...The silver age is dead...To add characters like vulture and kraven is laughable...No one will be excited to see these characters just like they wouldn’t if they have seen spiderman 3 if sandman and vulture were in it…The reason this movie was successful opening weekend was because of venom…Venom brought in the people not sandman, that’s why this movie grossed more opening weekend than the last 2 movies…But look how it turned out for us venom fans and you can see how bad its doing this week…I mean it dropped 60%. (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=spiderman3.htm)... This will definitely affect the DVD sales for sure…As for the rest of the comic movies that have been out they are all disappointments with the exception of 4 Batman Begins, Blade 1 and 2 Fantastic 4…As for Hulk, Daredevil, Electra, Blade 3, Superman Returns, Ghost Rider, Hellboy and X-men were terrible disappointments…Its like this, if you don’t understand the story or the characters DON’T DO IT…Its that simple…I think once the lizard and carnage go on screen spiderman will have to reinvent itself from scratch…Maybe CG movies like the incredibles or Final Fantasy Advent Children… Here are the links to the villains… Sandman- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_Marko Venom- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiote_%28comics%29#Origin_of_the_Symbiotes

  • May 14, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    CrimsonX you are wrong

    by BilboRing

    If Venom were not in it, the movie would be a huge hit. It would have been a better movie too. I love Venom. Brock turning into Venom should have been the last scene in this movie. Why did they get Venom wrong in this movie? Because they had 5 monutes to deal with him and the black suit. That sucked.

  • May 14, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    I don't think too many were there for Venom

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Not venom alone, anyway. I knew who Venom was from my collecting days, but didn't much care about him (although the symbiote storyline fresh out of Secret Wars was good). Sandman would have been enough for me, and for a lot of people I think. Especially if you're cramming all that Harry bullshit in there. Wow, I mean, do they write this stuff in a vaccuum or what? Was the script for Spidey 3 never run past a group of comic nerds, or anyone who woulda objected to the crowdedness of it all (signs off, tears welling)

  • May 14, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Kraven in the movies

    by Gorrister

    Unlike a previous poster, I think Kraven could work in a movie, if he's done right. But it would have to be a story equal to, if not surpassing, Fearful Symmetry (aka: Kraven's Last Hunt). Maybe even work The Lizard into the story.

  • May 14, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    In my version, Lizard IS in it with Kraven

    by Abominable Snowcone

    But the idea of Kraven hunting Spidey is hardly new. It's been in the comics over the years a couple times, and I'm sure Lizard was involved somehow at least once (wasn't he in Fearful Symmetry?). But that (my earlier post) is how I'd approach it). 'Course, I'd give both Kraven and Lizard an updated look. No lion-vest and stretch pants for the Kster.

  • May 14, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Three weeks since I saw Spidey 3 and...

    by biggles2_22

    ...I still think it sucks! Oh and Gwen Stacey had a FAT ASS!

  • May 14, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Vermin was in Fearful Symmetry

    by Gorrister

    Lizard was in a later Kraven-connected storyline by MacFarlane. Kravin used Vermin as a tool to prove a point to Spiderman.

  • May 14, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Gorrister

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Oh yeah. Wasn't it something like, Kraven beat and (temporarily kills) Spidey, but is unable to subdue Vermin. Having no more "goal," Kraven resurrects Spidey and gives him a "See, I told ya so" speech, but it's Spidey who subdues Vermin, whilst the great Russian hunter kills himself or something.

  • May 14, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    no Abom

    by just pillow talk

    I think Kraven was able to subdue Vermin, something Spidey wasn't able to do before. He proved that he was better than him. Then I think (it's been a long time) he releases Vermin and Spidey has to track him down again (which he does), then Kraven blows his brains out.

  • May 14, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 3 was awesome!!!

    by tommyjenkins

    People are bitching because Spidey 2 was pretty much an amazing, pretty much flawless movie. Spidey 3 isn't a flawless movie. However it is deeper, more complex, and far more ambitious on every level. It's far easier to get something "simple" perfect, than it is to attempt to put a magnum opus together and make it flawless.

  • May 14, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    bottom line tommyjenkins

    by just pillow talk

    Everyone in the theater moaned/groaned during the dancing/singing scenes, crying scenes. Which is basically all the Pete/MJ scenes. I did not hate the movie, but I was very disappointed with it. It was very flat. I have a very hard time trying to defend the scene with Pete walking down the street giving all the chicks 'looks'. I mean, Jesus, talk about out of place...it just came across very poor. I get what Sam was trying to do, but the execution failed.

  • May 14, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Crying-Man 3

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Maybe that should have been the real name. Peter Parker weeps, as does everybody else except JJJ.<p> Maybe they should have had a flashback where Uncle Ben tells Peter to grow a scrotum, because real men don't cry at every little thing that doesn't go their way. Spidey could have washed Sandman away with tears. In fact, I think that tank he tore open was indeed saline solution from all the tears he cried. "But...but...I LOVE you!" sniff sob, whimper "Peter, with great power comes the manly ability to not cry all the time. Otherwise, go buy some tampons."

  • May 14, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    there ya go: the amazing tampon man!

    by just pillow talk

    look out, here comes the tampon man!

  • May 14, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    The perfect double bill

    by ElDave3000

    How about a Venom/Dark Phoenix team-up film. Both are fan favorites who were a little short changed on film. It could be a buddy movie!

  • May 14, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    "Okay, cast, what would you like to do in Spider-Man3?"

    by Hjermsted

    Kirsten Dunst: "I'd love to show everyone that I also sing." Tobey Maguire: "I want to be campy and goofy dance. And can I take the mask off some more so the fans can see me, Tobey Maguire?" Avi Arad: "We need three villains! One of them must be Venom." Faceless Producers: "Flashbacks to help explain the plot to moronic twits... flashbacks from Spider-Man, SPider-Man 2 and even earlier in Spider-Man 3 itself." Special effects Dep't: "We want to make Sandman bigger than he ever was in the comics but, more importantly, bigger than The Mummy." Everyone seemed to get want they wanted except for the fans!

  • May 14, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Harry and the C word

    by Big Rock

    Before I get into it, does the word "cunt" have to be in a review? I suppose if Harry had written that this corporate piece of movie merchandizing smells like day-old, overporked cunt, at least the allusion might have been apt. But is Harry even hearing in his head what he's writing anymore? If I follow his judgment it goes something like this: the Spiderman movie is brought down by the use of Venom, who is a terrible villain because he wasn't a Ditko villain and that Raimi can be excused for using him because he probably doesn't like Venom anymore than I do and that he was forced to use him, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Honest to God Harry, it's a bad movie because it has no tone, the story is all over the place, the actors are performing grade school melodramatics, and there are coincidences you could fly a blimp through. I realize Raimi is a bud, that Spiderman is one of the great superheroes and the genre may be your favorite, but bad is bad. Come back, dear Harry. Come back to the light.

  • May 14, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 3 - Oh how we yawned......

    by Neon Killer

    The audience literally could not wait for this film to end. A girl's massively loud yawn 3 or 4 rows back gave us more entertainment than most of this SHIT FILM. A criminal waste of money (how many well-thought out independent films could have been made with all the money wasted on this crock of bloated drivel?)....A script that betrays even the most simple, basic principles of story-telling; performances phoned on on a crackly cellular line; a director so far past giving a shit that his idea of innovation are action sequences the human eye can't even register; Christ I can't even be bothered to write anymore. HOLLYWOOD: PAY US SOME RESPECT.......nuff said.

  • May 14, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    AINT IT COOL?

    by Neon Killer

    COME BACK AICN: ALL WILL BE FORGIVEN...............

  • May 14, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    ElDave3000

    by INWOsuxRED

    Throw in Sabretooth, Juggernaught, Dr. Doom, Galactus, Lady Deathstrike, and Bane and you have yourself a deal.

  • May 14, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Only yourself to blame

    by NudeGobblin

    All the whiny geeks who fantasise about dicks inside big black ribbed condoms (ie Venom) have only themselves to blame. Sandman and Gobby were to be the villains (see any comment by Arad or Raimi over the past few years) until Arad persuaded (forced?) Raimi to include him. He'd probably read some of the boards like this one filled with whiners who said 'We need Venom, only old farts want Sandman or Vulture'. Hopefully next time (for any Marvel movie), those in charge will ignore the whiners and listen to a director and scriptwriters and maybe some other fans besides just the persistent noisy ones...

  • May 14, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    A dorky bad murderer.

    by superninja

    Let's try to get it right, Harry.

  • May 14, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    The funn ything is I hate Venom, but the more I

    by superninja

    think about it, the more I believe he works just fine as a villain for a 2 hour Spider-Man movie. <p>What I don't need to see is sad-sack Sandman cry and be Misunderstood Villain #3.

  • May 14, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    The Vulture is a boring character. So they would have

    by superninja

    to make you understand his evil in some contrived way like his pet pidgeon coop was accidentally yanked off of the roof by Spidey's webs in during a brawl with the Rhino and after falling 11 stories he survives and is covered in feathers and bird poop and all his hair has fallen out. THE VULTURE IS BORN!

  • May 14, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST

    If the script had been tighter, Venom would've worked.

    by superninja

    The movie is primarily about forgiveness. And Venom is the kind of person who never forgives and it twists him while Parker overcomes that. I say the Sandman was unnecessary with the Uncle Ben freshly created backstory. The thing with the little girl was manipulative and went nowhere.

  • May 15, 2007, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Venom should have killed Sandman

    by bender7