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LAW & ORDER May Move To TNT If NBC Drops It??
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Broadcasting & Cable reports:
NBC Universal is considering a scenario in which original episodes of the low-rated but highly lucrative Law & Order would shift from NBC to TNT after this season, with production continuing at a drastically reduced price.
TNT already pays $1 million per episode for the show’s repeats. The show’s current budget is (somehow) $4 million per episode.
One wonders how this show would cut corners. Would they just cast hungrier actors as the cops and lawyers?
If it happens, I hope it happens more often. Too often we see great shows banished from broadcast outlets that I know would thrive on cable.
Nothing can happen, though, until Monday, when NBC announces whether “Law & Order” will be on its autumn slate.
Read the entire B&C story here.
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Works for me as long as it's on.
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L&O should be put out of its misery.
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Really, it'll get cancelled.
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Oh wait, that was the last season of Airwolf.
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Shatner and Spader both look a little Chinese these days.
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Didn't know it was a low-rated show... 4 mil per episode!? That's incredible!
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from the cast, so it makes sense to demote the show to AAA.
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CI and Original Recipe are on the bubble.
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Law and Order on its own L&O network. And then come up with a few more. L&O Moving Violations. L&O Canine Unit, etc. Then I will contact my local cable provider and pay them extra not to carry the network. And while you are at it, take with you ever forensic, cold case, missing persons show that is currently on the air. It couldn't happen fast enough for me.
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After sixteen seasons, I can't imagine them just cancelling Law & Order without an official, pre-planned series finale. Just doesn't seem right, but networks are far more notorious nowadays for just axing a show without warning. If for nothing else, I'd just like to see Michael Moriarty as "Ben Stone" one last time before L&O bids farewell. Chris Noth got a second run, and I think Moriarty deserves something the same. Maybe it's just that I'd like to see Stone & McCoy face-to-face, but whatever....NBC will make their decision and there's nothing we can do to alter it. SVU reall y is the best any of the other series have ever been. It stays fresh and edgy. It has plenty of fuel to keep running for many more seasons. -NJM
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This series has earned the right to go out on it's own terms. Even if it only has one viewer (me) it has earned that right.
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The original cast of L&O was a bunch of relative unknowns. What made the show so good in the beginning was the strength of the acting and the stories. Of course the creators of the show had to ruin a good thing by kicking some of the original cast off the show(Dann Florek and Richard Brooks) in order to shoe horn in some female characters. Give Waterston his walking papers and let TNT have a shot at it.
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The show is still pretty good. It's gotten a little weaker in the past couple of years, but it's still fairly solid. It's a nice mystery and strategy show. To me, it's the only real "police procedural" show. It's not full of outrageous forensics tales or actors trying to be cool or sick sex crimes. It's also not weighed down by the characters' constant personal angst. Personally, I think SVU is the weakest of the three. I can't stand it's two overacting lead actors or its ocassional super villain guest stars. And I'll never forgive them for watering down and misusing John Munch from "Homicide". Don't lie to me like I'm Montel Williams, dammit!
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I think SVU is atrocious overacting at its worst. I only care for the original and only watch the ones on TNT anyway... I watched one episode of the newer episodes of the original and eh, ever since Orbach left, then Farina left, it seemed bleh. Some model chick replacing a detective? Lame as hell. Also, whoever said Waterston needs walking papers need to be hacked to death... HE is the *sole* reason the show is still alive. He's the best of the cast by *MILES*, second only to Jesse now.
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That's my first idea.
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That's another one.
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You are right fluffy, Waterston is the best thing thing on L&O right now, but I am sure he also one of reasons the show is running four million an episode. If TNT is going to take up the show I doubt they will be willing to spend that much money per episode. Either Waterston will have to take a big pay cut or leave the show. I guess we will have to wait and see.
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The long and short of every one of these crime dramas (L&O, CSI, etc.) is that they've just run out of plots. The "ripped from the headlines" shows are especially embarrassing to watch as the writers try to shoe-horn sensationalist tales into hour-long shows where everyone delivers wooden dialogue or has fakey emotional breakdowns. If you're not convinced that this genre needs to be put out to pasture or made more grown-up, watch "The Wire." You'll never be able to sit through the network stuff again.
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Waterston is probably what costs so much, I really doubt filming in NYC would cost *that* much for them each episode. Still, he doesn't do much else and hasn't done much else as far as films go and he's not really a young guy, L&O is his basically and he keeps it fresh. Maybe they should give him one of his own spin-offs... show really, really challenging court cases and such?
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The "leave personal life and shoes at the door plz kthx" element of the show is a double edged sword I think. For one, you don't have to dabble in stupid drama that other shows thrive on, but on the other hand... you don't have stupid drama to fall back on. Yes, the headlines one are particularly bad. I wondered, out of all these years, why not mix up the formula? Why not pull some original stuff out of the bag, show a murder's perspective as he hides away from cops, gets people to lie, gets caught, goes to jail, gets put in trial... all dealing with the main actors? One of those at least once a season could spark interest. Also, maybe show the same variant of an innocent man and what happens to him... stuff like that strays away from the tired formula and might invigorate some of the writers maybe.
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What I meant by "dealing with the main actors" is showing a murderer or an innocent man put on trial getting interrogated by the regular detectives, locked up in prison, then listening to mccoy battle it out against him in the courtroom, etc... basically show the same characters in a much different light.
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- Someone needs to get their ass kicked if the show is costing that to produce. No wonder they want to drop it. I wouldn#t even say the show really has any real 'Name' actors. no offence to the terrific cast but come one - SOMEONE THROW A PIE!
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USED TO SOLVE CASE TOGETHER? Now they take turns. Alternating episodes, thereby alternating the acting work-load. ***** I remember BONANZA de-volved into the same crappy deal. In later years, on an episode Little Joe would be alone and then the next it would be Hoss or daddy Ben featured alone. It allows the others to do outside ventures. The VIEWER is the loser. Funny that SVU is the ratings winner. Dumb viewers. Wise up. ***** Sidebar: Harry number these comments.
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Yeah, a false conviction would be at least interesting. I think they may have done that, but the conviction and trial was "off camera," and the show dealt with finding the REAL killer or something. And the drama wouldn't be bad on L&O/CSI if the actors weren't crap, especially on CSI. Their delivery is so wooden you could build a canoe out of it, and going from zero to hysterical is a reason for medication, not an Emmy. And "Red Dawn Don?" My biggest beef with SVU, other than what you cite, is how they try to contrive eighteen ways from Sunday to make DNA evidence a red herring (i.e. lost twins, chimeraism, etc.).
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At first, that was done more with more subtlety and was only suggested by actual events. Lately, those are becoming less and less transparent. The regular L&O's worst offense in that department recently was the case involving a pseudo-Britney and fake-Federline. Granted, it all ended up wth a murder, which hasn't happened with the real celebrities. Criminal Intent has done even worse with that concept. The crazy astronaut women was one thing, but the Anna Nicole Smith one this week was just shameless.
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Nodwick, the running out of ways to kill people is definitely true for the CSI type shows. What perverted new way can we mutilate the body this week? But L&O has always been about why the person was killed. Most of the killing is straight forward, shot-and-killed stuff. By the way, L&O's focus on murder mystery and investigation over personal character dramas have allowed to it to stay on the air for so long, despite replacing every single cast member, sometimes many times. It also allows for the ease of one episode watching that networks really like for the sake of reruns and syndication. It's possible to sit and watch any random episode of the show, where a serialized drama is hard to watch reruns out of the context of the entire season or series. That's why all L&O's are run constantly.
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L&O used to dabble in the unknown at points with the episode where that assistant woman died so she could do Crossing Jordan or whatever. That was the day off for them and was interesting... I figure, like X-Files, they probably should have tried to use at least one original way to tell an intriguing new story per season. Or, in X-Files case... well, nevermind, X-Files has been and always will be a better show. But you know what I mean. They should have thought outside the box a bit, now maybe it's far too late.
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Since you guys mentioned CSI, you all realize that CSI is total bullshit, right? Crime scene investigators don't interrogate witnesses or solve crimes at all. They examine evidence and that's all, that's it. A head of a CSI unit doesn't go and do detective work, all of them are scientists that work with detectives mostly in the lab in front of a microscope. CSU goes in with the pictures and all that then the forensic scientists examine all the evidence while the detectives do Law and Order type work first, using connections, financials and such as a launch point into motive of the crime... and eyewitnesses, if any, but that goes without saying. Point being: CSI is making tons of college kids go into a really boring, un-romanticized, un-glamorous job because of a very factually flawed TV show.
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That's another aggravating part of CSI that you must suspend your disbelief for. And each incarnation seems to take it even further. Caruso on CSI: Miami does more detective work than he did on NYPD Blue. The regular detective basically takes orders from him. I know someone who could never get past that flaw in the show to watch it. And in the midst of all this CSI popularity, L&O shows us the real way these forensics things work. Those guys are the geeks and nerds of law enforcement, they are not the young, sexy, cool people running around on CSI. The science of murder is usually, "blunt force trauma to the head" and "here's the victim's stomach contents" and "there's blood under the fingernails". CSI shows us the 0.5% "cool" forensics mysteries. That stuff on its own is okay, but crime scene guys interviewing suspects? C'mon.
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Can't watch it due to that. I do watch Forensic Files sometimes on CourtTV that show real CSI work sometimes though. I can't really forgive the show for that sort of blatant disregard though. I'm glad forensic science might have more accountability or a cool factor due to its popularity, but at the same time its frightfully misleading to those who wish they could do what those guys on the show do only to find out it's not even really a profession that would be available to them.
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What I saw of the first season, anyway. Just dopey as all hell. The end of every show had the damn criminal confessing with his attorney sitting there with his thumb up his ass. As far as CSI, the thing with those, particularly Miami, is that while the content is often blase, and Caruso's line deliveries are howlers...the damned thing is probably one of the most gorgeously shot shows on TV in HD. The color schemes and saturations are just damned mesmerizing. I swear I've watched without really knowing what the hell was going on just because it was so darned purty to look it.
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What I saw of the first season, anyway. Just dopey as all hell. The end of every show had the damn criminal confessing with his attorney sitting there with his thumb up his ass. As far as CSI, the thing with those, particularly Miami, is that while the content is often blase, and Caruso's line deliveries are howlers...the damned thing is probably one of the most gorgeously shot shows on TV in HD. The color schemes and saturations are just damned mesmerizing. I swear I've watched without really knowing what the hell was going on just because it was so darned purty to look at.
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Sorry for the double post.
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Vincent D'Onofrio's performances here are just the most indulgent and oddly memorizing to ever hit the boob tube. Love it. The crime's themselves are likely the weakest, so it is no surprise that it isn't as big as SVU in that regard, but... SVU? It's just so vanilla in execution. Law & Order does hold up even today, but I'm not watching television on Friday's. It's good to have a show that is about the work, and not twisting and turning every last character down to the dog catcher inside out (hello, The Shield).
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...of L&O was back in the day when they actually broke the formula. The episode took place after both cops and both DAs witnessed a criminal executed. Everyone dealt with it in their own way...Det. Curtis cheats on his wife (not the catch phrase, he really cheated), Det. Brisco and McCoy get drunk, and Claire Kinkaid (way back before 'Crossing Jordan') dies in a car accident. Jerry Orbach actually had a chance to show off all his acting chops in the closing scene, when he climbs, drunkenly out of the car to find Claire dead. I've always wondered why they've never tried anything outside the box like that since?
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Ever notice how, even though the episode's story is promoted as being "ripped from the headlines", there is a disclaimer before or after the show saying all events are fictional and any similarities to real people is unintentional? Seems kind of contradictory to me.
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100k production costs.
3.9 million enrichment fees for the actors, producers and other investor/entitled types. That show is shot with shoulder held cams, gets it's plot ideas from the real world, and has literally no effects or set budgets. It's all high fees or salarys. -
Yeah, all the other L&O's aside from the original are horrible. L&O:CI is atrocious over-acting by Private Pyle/Edgar the Skin-Loose Bug from MIB. Getting a confession every time is hilarious, like an attorney would sit there and do nothing, as you said.
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It's a institution, it's been in production for so long that it never even crossed my mind that they'd cancel it. You could keep rotating actors in and out of that show until the end of time, it literally never really needs to end because it isn't about any one cast of characters... it's about the police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders, whoever they might happen to be in any given season. More so than most TV shows, the stories are more of a draw than the characters. And the chance of it getting replaced with something much worse is excellent. I'm no huge fan of the show - but there's lots of things I'd purge from the NBC lineup before LAW AND ORDER. I'll never go out of my way to watch it, but it's not going to get on my nerves or piss me off, either.
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When Jerry Orbach left and then died. It was so depressing when he died I just stopped giving a shit.
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