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More STAR WARS?? Marion In INDY 4?? SPIDER-MAN 3 "Silly"?? Lucas Speaks!!
Merrick here...
Fox News has a brief interview with George Lucas, in which he discusses several topics of interest.
Regarding INDY 4, Lucas…
** …won’t comment on rumors of Karen Allen’s return, and that Shia LaBouf may be the result of Indy and Marion banging in the first film.
**…says Sean Connery’s Henry Jones character is in the script, although Connery hasn’t signed onto the production at this time.
** …acknowledges the difficulty of keeping secrets in the current media climate, despite Steven Spileberg’s determination to try.
Regarding this summer’s movies, Lucas…
**…calls SPIDER-MAN 3 “silly”.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I didn’t like SPIDER-MAN 3 much at all, but…you know…I seem to remember a certain Stepin Fetchit alien, robots wandering drunkenly through battles wearing the wrong heads, and romantic pick up lines to the effect of “You’re not like sand”. He preemptively defends himself in the piece, but it’s pretty much the pot calling the kettle black. Funny.
Regarding STAR WARS, Lucas…
**…says they’ll be two live action, made-for-TV STAR WARS “films”.
It's our assumption that this reflects the interviewer's misunderstanding, and that Lucas is actually referring to the already announced series that are in development. So, keep this in mind when contemplating the possibilities.
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Connery ruined the last Indiana Jones movie! Keep it focused on Indy instead of his bastard children.
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Maybe
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i wonder if anyone would even care ih he said he was going to make eps 7-9 at this point.
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Yeah, Spidey 3 blew but compared to the first and second installments of the prequel trilogy, it's a masterwork.
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Are these in lieu of the potential 100-episode live action series? Or in addition to?
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I just wonder if the general public will be all that interested in Star Wars stuff that isn't part of the main storyline. I know there's all the Extended Universe stuff and backstories to explore and everything, but is all that going to appeal to the people who don't read the books and don't care if Greedo shoots first?
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What a hypocritical dick, man. It's like when somebody calls your sister a slut, and even though you know she kind of is, you still wanna punch the motherfucker in the nose. Not to worry, Tobey and Sam, I'll defend your honor... you silly bastards.
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Pretty much all of the prequels, cockbag.
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Let Star Wars die with dignity. You got it mostly right with RotS. No need to ruin it with tv movies.
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Too much thought put into my comment.
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Whatever happened to his intention of making movies in the vein of Godfrey " Naqoyqatsi" Reggio?
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that he lost for not taking the Gandalf role..What a Douche!!!
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You know your movie sucks, which it does, when even George "Ewoks and JarJar" Lucas calls it silly. Suck it Raimi you piece of shit. Way to kill the franchise.
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Spider Man 3 is crap but the last person who should be going public with his comments is George "The Hack" Lucas. He directed 3 of the worst films of all time. There was certainly nothing that The Prequels had going for them that Spider Man 3 didn't.
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Silliness has nothing to do with the quality of either film.
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The prequals suck (from Jar Jar to Nooooooo!). Indy 4 will suck. It is to late to let Star wars die with dignity. It is time for us to turn our back on this talentless hack.
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George Lucas' previous successful endeavors (American Graffiti, Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back, Raiders [both TESB and Raiders are guilt of good by association])are anomalous. He is indeed a poophead. Or the real George Lucas is dead. The evil retard clone of George Lucas who made RoTJ and those other alleged prequels is a complete J-hole. I thought Spid2 was turdriffic, and have heard that Spid3 is not great. But Sam Raimi has made more movies of higher quality than the evil retard clone of George Lucas, or the real George Lucas - however you see fit to classify.
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I hear she's a slut. I kid, I kid.
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It most certainly does. At some point silliness surpasses coolness and equals suck. It's science.
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has some nerve after the abortion that was the the last three starwars films. He pissed all over what he created some many years ago. The man is not a great director, and that's my opinion. I'm sticking to it.
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that cunt Lucas. Him bashing anyone else's script/storyline's is beyond hilarious. Again, fuck him.
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The competition is fierce this year for the Biggest Douche in the Universe contest. Your choices are: 1. Sam Raimi for pissing all over one of the greatest franchises ever; 2. George Lucas for pissing all over one of the greatest franchises ever; or 3. Michael Bay for being Michael Bay and making every movie he's ever made or ever will make (including having a dog literally piss on a Transformer's leg). It's tough, but I have to say it's a three way tie. They are all equally douchebags.
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May 09, 2007 11:47:03 AM CDT
Silly? Sure. But then again, Ewoks Battle For Endor?
by www.valiens.com
Let's take a look at Lucas' record in the made-for-tv Star Wars movie category, shall we?
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Thank god, Connery did turn down the Gandolf role. Ian McKellen's performance was one of the few things I liked about those movies.
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Spidey 3 blew sac.
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SW:TPM was not better. Batman Forever was, however. I actually thought that a reel was missing when it jumped from the black suit transformation to Doc Connors lab. What a dilapidated mess of a film! Lucas really can't comment on SPIDERMAN being silly because he made three of them in the last decade. 'I learned it by watching you!'
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Where is the Lost TB?
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Thanks to Lucas.
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Boring, muddled, cringeworthy, flaccid perhaps but, oh wait....
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Maybe Raimi killed it for YOU.. but if you think there's not gonna be a Spider-Man 4 because numero tres got mixed reviews, you need to check the box office. Spidey's got a rogues gallery almost as long as my cock, and, much like my swinging phallus, you will be see the whole thing on film before it's all said and done. Speaking of critically savaged sequels, I seem to remember Pirates 2 getting equally mediocre marks last summer, and they didn't halt production on "At World's End"...
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...because ABC cancelled it and is replacing it with 'Dancing With The Stars: All Stars'.
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Coming this summer in the kiddieproof PERRISH SOFTLY 4.
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So now the series is a short movie?
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I know who I would rather be associated with, the web head or the unable to sense evil in their midst Jedi.
The man who turned Darth Vader into Annie never, ever gets to call anyone silly again, hey also saying Revenge of the Sith is like Titanic, that's silly too.
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The Spider-Man trilogy is more popular than Episode 1-3. That has to hurt his ego.
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Blame Avi Arad who pressured Raimi to load up on villains and especially to put in, oh I'm sorry, to THROW in Venom. Venom was a wasted afterthought in Spidey 3, not the jarring compelling evil villain who could have carried the movie as the sole villain! Producers pressure directors, not the other way around! Avi Arad destroyed Spider Man 3. Not the Evil Dead guy whose done a bang up job on all 3 movies! Eat it Arad!
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I like the way you think man, I'm with you a hundred percent on almost everything you wrote. Lucas did AG, Star Wars and then was smart enough to let someone else direct Empire (one of the greatest films of all time). RoTJ was a disaster and the prequels as bad or worse. He gets some credit for Raiders, but Spielberg is there too and, let's be honest, Raiders is really the only one of the trilogy that is exceptional. Lucas has a good imagination, but he can't make movies to save his life. He's a horrible writer, casting director and regular director. Star Wars worked because he had studio overseers that would actually say no to him and Empire he didn't direct. Once ROTJ came along, nobody dared say no to any of his ideas, no matter how stupid. As for Spiderman, I really enjoyed the first one, but I too thought the second one sucked (e.g., Doc Ock is just a regular paunchy old man with mechanical arms, yet he can take Spiderman punches right to the face or get bashed into a building? - his face or the rest of his body isn't mechanical or special?!). All of this is to establish my credibility when I implore you, for your own sake, do NOT see spiderman 3 until it's on TNT, if ever. It's one of the worst movies I've seen in a long long time. Trust me bro.
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And at least you felt that lucas had SOME kind of a grand scheme; at least he attempted to make three films that had a point. At least the films had different kinds of action sequences (from duels and gladiatorial battles to chases and full-on war) - rather than endless different variations of the same thing: people fighting in mid-air - plus a damsel/aunt in distress. At least Lucas tried to get viewers to think about why governments do things, rather than being embarrasingly flag-waving. Grrrrrrrrr!
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and screw this site for their narrow minded take on spiderman. i thought the new film was the best of them all. i really enjoyed it. and i really hate the opinions expressed on this site, lately. seems like yer turnin' into cynical wet blankets...
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with Anakin and Dooku battling with lightsabers in the dark as their faces are illuminated by the blades is better than Spiderman 1, 2 and 3 put together. So eat it.
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But I see where he is coming from. I mean what's the theme of Spiderman 3 anyway, forgiveness? Learning to accept people for what they did and blah blah blah? Not as compelling as the themes that drove Star Wars, wouldn't you agree?
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the acting and dialogue in the prequels wasn't always that great!
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Lucas is the man who spent what 30 years on one set of movies. When it came time to deliever the prequels he fucked it up, period! Before that he decided to fuck with the originals, the man is an idiot. I don't want to hear about the indiana movies because deep down we all know if it wasn't for Spielburg they would have sucked as well. Lucas got lucky with the first three starwars that's all there is to it. the man can't write for shit, and he sure as shit can't direct actors. He's proven that. He's too worried about his cgi toys he can create instead of a good story.
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as Peter Parker in Spidey 4. Problem solved.
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Most of Lucas's original fan base have washed their hands of Star Wars now. They dont care anymore. Do you hear me Lucas? We dont care since you didnt care for the fans. The TV series will not give anything new. Lucas had his chance to give the movies depth and he FAILED. Yes i said it. Anyway what we need is a Howard the Duck sequel, and have ViolenceJack and Jason Vorhees in it stalking Lucas and only Howard can save him. But Howard doesnt care for Lucas can helps Violence Jack cook Lucas in a cooking pot for supper!!!
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I have been online less than 10 minutes and I have read this story in like 4 different places. Granted im going to entertainment/news sites but he makes one offhand remark about how spiderman 3 was "silly" and it becomes the top story in a 12-24 hour news cycle. Yeah, people still care.
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you obviously haven't seen THX 1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars then.
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Im part of the original fan base and you can have your opinion, but dont lump me in with it. I totally disagree with everything you said.
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Dammit you're right about that Ep 2 sequence in the dark where their faces are lit. Man, in the cinema it was so intense! People talk about Spidey 3 having kick-ass action - but was there anything so fun as the Anakin/Dooku followed by Yoda/Dooku? Nope.
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Star Wars is a cobbled together mess of bits of LOTR and various other sources. Once that (somehow) became a hit he had the sense to step back and let someone else do the next film. Everything else he's touched in his career post SW (when not reined in by his talented mates) has been complete shit.
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I know some of you guys worship Lucas and would pay big money to see a movie of him taking a shit, but the sad truth is that Lucas is over-rated. He's about on par with Michael Bay or Joel Shumacher. He only got where he is because he made ONE good movie and used the fame from that to gain more fame with a sci-fi screenplay he lifted from the Dune novels.
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a lovely guy who seems unaffected by his enormous success."
It's so perfect that that quote was from Fox News. I just read "The Secret History of Star Wars", and I'll never look at Star Wars and Lucasfilm the same way again. Actually I don't think I could enjoy Lucas' films at all after that. What a lame-ass and a liar.
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Dude, cynicism and sarcasm are the spice of life.
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how lucas can comment on any film being silly after his "star wars christman" hit you tube i'll never know
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sorry.
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You're right sir, there will probably be more spiderman abominations in the future. With over 300 mil. internationally in the first week of release, they'd be stupid not to make another one, if not more than one. It's just too bad that they will all suck though. Too bad money doesn't equal quality anymore - not in the prequels and not in the other big franchise blockbusters. The lowest common denominator has won. Put together a retarded spectacle with 'splosions and singing dancing peter parkers crying and you can guarantee a dumptruck full of money will be pulling up to your yard. Sad.
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Or the whole Clone War sequence in II with the camera zoom-ins on the clone gunships and troops in the command post. Brilliant. ILM or Sony Imageworks? ILM any day of the week. The FX in Spiderman 3 look DREADFUL.
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It's not silly...it sucks..
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I've seen American Graffiti, it was alright, but nothing great. Thx I've never understood the praise for that one. It's been years since I've seen it mine you, but I'm not a big fan.
I don't buy into Lucas, and I loved the first three starwars films, but the fact remains the man isn't that good of director. That's my thoughts on the man. Like it, or not. -
It doesn't have a happy Spider-Man swinging into the camera ending. It's more complex, more true to how the real world works (in terms of relationships and emotions). See Devin's editorial at CHUD for more reasons why Spider-Man 3 doesn't suck.
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heh, George?
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Actually, there's more plot in Phantom Menace than all 3 Spideys put together!
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Maybe, but Howard the Duck---that was genius.
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Wasn't that quote put on the net by the makers of the American GODZILLA, one of the worst blockbusters of the 90s? Anyways: I think that Star Wars, like Harry Potter, had a pretty terrible Episode 1 - but both franchises' Episode 3 have been blockbuster pinnacles. For me, anyway.
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May 09, 2007 12:16:59 PM CDT
there's more plot in Phantom Menace than all 3 Spideys
by stuntcock mike
Which is why it sucks
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Laugh. It's "complex" that a meteor with a symbiote just happens to fall next to Peter Parker? It's "complex" that somehow Venom knows all about Sandman and his daughter and after a two second lame conversation they decide to fight Spiderman together (for no reason, there's no reward or anything)? "Complex" that a woman is hanging from a 40 story building and about to die, yet her father and boyfriend can stand idly by as peaceful as hindu cows making jokes? "Complex" that Bad Peter Parker manifests itself by a Petrelli haircut and jazz club dancing? Is that "complex" enough for you Rindain? What about the shameless pandering by having spiderman swing by a giant american flag? Is that complex? Or about the fifty or so little kids standing at the base of a construction site in the middle of the night while a huge superpowered battle is going on right above their heads? I guess it's a deep complexity as to why any parent would allow their kids to be standing there gawking upwards within a fifty feet of unbelievably mortal danger? I could go on for literally an hour - those are just the instances of complexity that came to mind. But you're right, it is "complex and true to how the real world works". Laugh. Thanks man, that was the funniest post I've read in a long long time.
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If there is anyone who deserves a drubbing it's George Lucas. And you were right the first time Dr. Gonzo, box office doesn't count. There literally is not an argument that exists that can make the prequels look good. Seriously, you tell me what you liked about them, I'll tell you why it sucked.
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That's one of the many reasons why he's respected (not by twats, of course, but who cares about those) -- he does and says what he wants and thinks.
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I said that SM3 is more complex than the other Spidey films in terms of relationships and emotions. I agree that much of the plot was poorly constructed. The film isn't complex per se, just complex when comapred to the first two Spider-Man films, which were absolutely retarded and even more flag-waving than the 3rd.
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in recent times but he is right, spidey 3 is very silly....
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...and a hack. Look up "silly" in any online dictionary and you'll see a pic of Jarjar Binks. What an idiot. More like anything that makes twice as much money as Lucky-ass's big budget cartoons and which his precious obsolete ILM has nothing to do with is now written off as silly. So pick SM3 apart and you'll find little story, huh? How about pick apart the Star Wars movies and you'll find a rip-off of Kurosawa films (mainly "Hidden Fortress" which he still denies in his interviews. Sorry, Lucky-ass, I find you GUILTY of plagiarism) among others. I hope Spiderman 3 goes on to make 3 times as much $$ as whichever of his stupid Star Wars movies is sitting at #2 behind Titanic. Guess Luke's-ass will then have to burn off another set of Star Wars DVD's to get more brainwashed fans money in order to feel better. Idiot. If anyone reading this hasn't guessed, I'm one of the rare talkbackers at this site who really enjoyed Raimi's latest Spidey flick. SPIDER-MAN 3 > (PHANTOM MENACE + ATTACK OF THE CLONES)
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They had a pretty rock-solid story, whether or not youi thought parts of it were silly. I personally think in retrospect that TPM did a pretty brilliant job of setting a series of events in motion that the other two prequels tied up. Now if they could only recut all THREE of those films and take out the absurd dialog and the gungans...
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Jeez that was funny. I have to agree with you. Didn't you think it was conveniently complex that Mary Jane didn't tell her boyfriend she was fired from her job - enabling the next screen hour of her storyline. I personally thought it was complex that the butler dude told Harry about Spidey not killing his dad - just when things were coming to a head. It was definitely complex to have not one but two scenes with a woman hanging on for dear life at a great height.
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I think Shia needs some sucking off...giddy up.
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was a joke. just bad film-making at it's finest. I'm not a hater. I'm just speaking my mind on this subject.
just to throw a little Spiderman in here. Sam Raimi is a better director than Lucas, and I'm sticking to that statement. Not just in terms of his moves, but just the way he uses the camera. Bash me all you want. -
If anyone ever uses that line again, I'm from barring their posting access on, oh, say 4 sites per usage. It's a HORRIBLE cliche. Try "Yo, Potsie, you black yo!" or something.
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Yes, that's right...I'm saying "Spider-Man 3" is like "Showgirls"...without the laughs or the nudity, just the same crap writing, acting, dancing and singing. Although I'm sure Lucas can top them both while he, like a vulture, picks at what's left of the "Star Wars" carcass. Booo!
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He is just hating because Spider-Man 3 made a zillion gajillion dallars in a week.
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May 09, 2007 12:30:12 PM CDT
Spiderman's rogue gallery as long as that guy's cock?
by jackpumpkinhead
That's not true - I saw the third movie last week and with it, there are already more than 4 Spiderman villains.
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Gone Fishing. Should be just great.
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Do I even need to explain this to George?
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It's the kind that makes the other much better films in the series seem just a little worse. I can't watch Spidey 1 and 2 now without thinking about how lame MJ and peter become or Peter's turn to the darkside. That being said, the Star Wars prequals are so fucking bad and they shit all over the original fantastic trilogy. And Lucas didn't just fuck up for half a movie like Raimi, he made so many bad bad choices and just ran with them for three films. it was depressing. And the reason the grosses were so high was because jackasses like me kept going back to each new movie thinking this will be the one that turns it around. How the fuck do you do a scene where all the jedi knights have to square off against an army of robots in a stadium and make that boring? I've dreamed of a ascene like that since I was a kid. And all i got was a coule Jedi swinging lightsabers and a lot of them being killed by wierd duck looking robots...the jedi's were being killed by robots! sorry, had to get that out.
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Your failure is complete.
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Actually I was using the metric system, silly. 1 villain = 1 millimeter. (I use tweezers to masturbate.)
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Picture it this way: you've got a marvelous fried turkey as the centerpiece of Thanksgiving dinner (I prefer fried, fill in your own preference), and Mr. Lucas has grabbed a leg. He then proceeds to eat the meat and skin off this turkey leg, and THEN, instead of refilling his plate with a slice of the turkey breast, he starts sucking the marrow out of the top of the leg bone. THAT is Star Wars...huge amounts of potential being passed up to extract every possible plot point out of a specific storyline. Someone else needs to sit at the table now, put on their bib, and start chewing.
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SPIDER-MAN 3 was an okay film, not a great film mind you, but certainly better than any of George Luca$' prequels and HOWARD THE DUCK. George seems a tad bitter ever since Peter Jackson kicked his ass with the LOTR trilogy.
But hey, George...If you think you can direct the franchise better, let's see you take on SPIDER-MAN 4. No, wait...I don't need anyone acting more wooden than Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. You just forget all about those plans to cast Jake Lloyd as Peter Parker, Luca$...
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Good luck finding him — he's in West Hollywood doing blow off a male escort's dong.
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How do you feel now that The matrix has been named the greatest modern sci-fi of all time?
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Just out-of-work child actors who snort cocaine off of erect male genetalia.
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... Dude looks like the old Dick Tracy villain, "The Pouch". Wonder if he packs a 45 in that massive neck-dewlap of his. Actually, he looks more like Boss Nass... "Let's make Greedo shoot first! HaHahhaha hah hahh haaa... ablubbahblubahblubberblubblub!"
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First we had to suffer through the ignominy of "an entire leeegion" of the Emperor's "finest troops" getting killed by retarded midget koala bears (the scene where the storm troopers - wearing helmets mind you - get bombarded from above by ewoks throwing little ewok sized rocks hurts my insides so much). Then we had to watch as the retarded Gungans and their giant exercise energy balls spilled off their retarded hippo-horses and destroyed an entire mechanized army. Then we had to watch the stadium scene Leafy mentions, with an entire Jedi platoon getting killed by duck robots. Then we get to watch Obi Wan ride around on an annoying and loud weird beast thing that keeps making the same stupid noise while he chases the four-armed robot guy. Finally, we had to watch what may be the worst example - when the Emporer initiates "Order 66", the Jedis suddenly turn retarded. They don't sense any changes in the force? They're just walking along, dum dee dum, and the order comes in to the storm troopers over the headset and the jedis don't even turn around or at best they put their hands up in front of their terrified faces while a few idiot storm troopers just shoot them? The one stupid chick jedi literally just trips over the plant in her fear! I thought they were supposed to be Jedi?! How could they be punked so easily and quickly? Yes Spiderman 3 sucked Lucas, but so do you. I applaud your honest in critiquing someone else's work. Now apply the same scrutiny to your own shitpile, scumbag piece of shit. If I ever saw lucas on the street, I swear to God I'd punch him in the face, if for no other reason than the Greedo shooting first abomination.
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G-Lucas has his head so far up his ass it'l take The Jaws of life to pull it out. "Silly"? I admit S3 had it's flaws and it was "silly" at times but it was 100 billion times more entertaining than any of those epicly shitty Prequels. fuck G-Lu.Indy 4 can kiss my ass.BOYCOTT I4!! Who's with me?
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It would turn out that Green Goblin was Peter's Father and MJ was his sister. The fact that they kissed in two previos films would have been ignored. Venom would have been Spidey's comic-relief sidekick, and would go by the nickname Ven-Ven, would always fall down, get tangled in his own webbing, and talk like a mental patient. Spidey would also realize he's been in love w/ Gwen Stacy since they were kids and would woo her with lines like "Webs are sticky. Your not like a web. Your not sticky." Oh, and Venoms father would be Sandman, Uncle Ben and Aunt May would have been related to J Jonah Jameson, who is also the brother of Doc Ock, whose wife is related to Dr. Connors, who is a clone of Peter's dead father. Oh, and everytime they went into battle Spidey would say "I have a bad feeling about this." (Ven-Ven would say "Meesa have a booey-booey feelins bout dis.")
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He'll be the nut-faced dude in the cantina scene in episode 4.
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All I have to say about that is "Ewok's: The Battle for Endor." Keep raping my childhood, George. Maybe you'll hope for me to develop Stockholm syndrome or something.
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was are we done yet. As john Mcginley who seems to be killing his career by appearing in utterly shite movies would say dear god " look"..... though I thought he was funny in Wild hogs but dude fire your agent!
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... Actually Abin, I think a more apt analogy is: Star Wars=A large bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken and Lucas is the kid that eats all the skin off all the pieces in the bucket, then leaves the nude chicken pieces back in the bucket for everyone else. Lucas = Cartman!
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I like how Lucas always has nothing to say about Indiana Jones 4. Here's what he has to say this time: "I can't say" and "Oh no". WTF.
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Nicely done sir. Kudos.
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Dude, you've been holding out on us.. which kind, chocolate chip or peanut butter?
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More like, "I've been trying to write this shitty thing for 10 years and I can't get past,""The night was moist""."
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...is how stupid, sloppy and unnecessary the mistakes were which scuppered it. I've hated - HATED - Dunst as MJ since the first film but was willing to overlook her for the other, good stuff. However, when she's singing on stage in that scene, the film started to die for me. The next blow was Spidey high-fiving the crowd as he swung by. I don't know why that bugged me so much, but I cringed.
After that, the crap really started piling up. The best piece of evidence that the film just doesn't work is that one feels disappointed that Pete doesn't end up with Gwen. Not only that, but the viewer is torured with endless scenes of forlorn phone tag leading to the big kiss-and-make-up.
The dumbest thing in the whole movie was Sandman beating Spidey to a pulp at the end, but after having a pumpkin grenade blow up in his ear, suddenly decides to ask Spidey for forgiveness for killing uncle Ben. WTF was that all about?
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And I thought Spider-Man 3 was insultingly silly.
The only ones who hated the prequels are those assholes who expected a Lucas Star Wars to be something like the Dark Horse comics where they have badass Sith posing all over the place, and plotlines that don't make you think past the next page. I expected something as fun and carefree as the original Star Wars, and that's what I got. You guys brought too much of your own baggage and were upset when Lucas didn't make the badass Star Wars you built up in your mind.
If you haven't gotten it yet, Star Wars is based on old serials, which were equal amounts silly, fun, and exciting, with moments of being too serious about something that is- to our ears- utterly ridiculous. If you never sat through Flash Gordon (serials, not the 80s movie) or any of the others of that era, the whole Star Wars series is lost on you, and you're probably expecting science fiction instead of space opera cliffhanger adventure serials.
Lucas is 100% right about Spider-Man 3. It was built up by the previous two to be a natural continuation of that same 'feel', only to let down the core audience by dropping the feel of previous movies for an almost slapstick tone.
Lucas used the SAME humor, the SAME style of storytelling, and the SAME character archetypes in the prequels as he did in A New Hope. If you were expecting some dark, bloody, stylistic movie full of Jedi fighting Sith, and not much more, then you were clinging to the wrong franchise. Go watch Highlander or something. -
purely and simply, awful. and horrible too
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...he would be one of those gods in need of killing by Kratos. Perhaps in God of War III.
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You all say you hate Lucas, but you know you will be sitting one foot from the TV when the Star Wars television series shows up. You'll be recording it, watching it over and over, and coming online to tell everybody how much you thought it sucked... Only to watch it again next week.
You love Star Wars, but are mad that Lucas isn't writing the story in YOUR head, and is instead writing the story from his own.
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you can quote Lucas on that
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On a strictly directorial comparison, I'd have to say that Raimi is the stronger director, with a better ratio of good work to bad than Lucas. GL has THX, GRAFFITTI and the first STAR WARS to his credit, while the three prequels do not live up to expectations of good storytelling on many levels. Raimi has the first two EVIL DEAD films, the first two SPIDER-MAN films, DARKMAN and A SIMPLE PLAN on the plus side with only SPIDEY 3 and CRIMEWAVE USA (Yes, I've actually seen it) firmly in the negative. (I'm on the fence about ARMY OF DARKNESS, I like it but it does have some flaws...)
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Check out the Death Star sequence in Star Wars. Then check out that opening space battle in Revenge of the Sith. Man knows how to stage and film action. I'm not saying that the acting is always great - though Ian McDiarmid in the prequels is damn enjoyable - but let's not kid ourselves that Lucas 'got lucky'.
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That movie is awesome. For some reason that escapes me, it has become popular to rip ROTJ and the Ewoks. I guess this is because the prequels were so bad that people began to look back at Jedi and see if there was a starting point to Lucas's loss of creativity.
But Jedi was and is a GREAT movie. The last 40 minutes are pure entertainment, with the three-way of Luke, Vader, and the Emperor executed to perfection and carrying a high level of emotion.
Even the Ewoks don't bother me at all. Sure, they are able to kill Stormtroopers. That's fantastical but so is the whole rest of the trilogy.
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Michael Bay has poisoned your minds.
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I get where you're coming from. If you want to look into the bucket of truth, read the pdf book @ secrethistoryofstarwars.com. Be warned- this is SW mystique-shattering stuff...
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We got what we were praying we wouldn't get. Three shitty movies(four if you count ROTJ).
Yeah, I didn't know they were based on Serials even after Lucas mentioned it 600 times. Like you said though, serials were equal amounts silly, fun, and exciting. The prequels had these elements?! Which prequels did you watch man? -
Fools.... Well, at least i think so... :|
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I can say without a doubt that I will not watch that show on t.v. I'm done with Star Wars.
Now as for the fact that you can't see that the new Star Wars movies were badly written, and directed that's fine. You can think all you want that there good movies. It's your opinion, but don't start bashing people for not liking them. I was one of those people that were excited to see the new ones, and it bit me in the ass. -
Sorry Zero, but the Star Wars movies were mostly ripped off from a little Akira Kurosawa film entitled "Hidden Fortress." Brainwashed Star Wars fans like yerself keep telling themselves that Lucas came up with this shit himself inspired by Flash Gordon or some other nonsense. Read any "History of Star Wars" book and MAYBE you'll find half a page about anything Japanese. Did you know he originally wanted Toshiro Mifune (who plays General Watanabe, the inspiration for Obi-Wan Kenobi, in "Hidden Fortress") to play the part of Obi-Wan. And he wanted a Japanese girl to play the Princess(a la Princess Akufubi(sp?)) in "Fortress"? No? Now you do. Unless yer so far gone like most Star Wars fanatics who think Geogie Lucky-ass is the Second Coming. SPIDER-MAN 3 > (PHANTOM MENACE + ATTACK OF THE CLONES + DARTH VADER SCREAMING "NOOOO!") Star Wars prequels...the definition of silliness.
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Dude, are you George Lucas posting as a George Lucas fan?
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George Lucas is a rip-off artist just like Reggio is. The Qaatsi films were ripped off from previous films and he also basically rode on the talents of of Philip Glass and the cinematographer, forget his name...
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Yeah agreed- it seemed rushed in the cutting,ect. (Hopefully that'll be sorted in the inevitable "Director's cut" DVD) but I could see the point of the directions they went in. Bring on the Bruce-ster as Myterio- would be a cool bit of continuity-the fact that he's always been there in the background, watching, waiting...
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Is that right? George referring to SM3 as being silly? That's right it didn't have Jarjar what was I thinking?
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Who the fuck is that?
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If you want to talk "Silly" See: TPM, AOTC, ROT("NOOOOOOOOOO!!!")S.
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Lucas is in no position to say anything. His skill in making films is in big question right now after what he did with his last three movies. He can't write dialogue, create intriguing storylines and he especially does not get the cocnept of effecitvely incorporating CGI into a movie without making it seem like you are playing HALO instead of watching a movie. Peter Jackson and I would say Raimi to a certain degree have showed up Lucas big time. I still have trouble believing what a blown opportunity those prequels were.
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FUCKING A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Each Qatsi film had a differrent cinematographer(s): 1) Koyaanisqatsi: Ron Fricke, 2)Powaqatsi: Graham Berry & Leonidas Zourdoums, 3)Naqoyqatsi: Russell Lee Fine
I believe A New Hope is the only film that can cite Hidden Fortress as influential -- but to equate Kurosawa's single film as the sole source that Lucas "ripped off" is the same as Reservoir Dogs being a re-make of City of Fire. There are so many sources that Lucas "ripped" off. I'm sure there's more than a few people here with a copy of J.W.Rinzler's new book, so be careful trying to sound so acumen with your Star Wars trivia.
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Yeah, spiderman 3 was silly. so what?
It wasn't great. It wasn't awful either.
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An endless avalanche of poorly-drawn, poorly written comics...and a plethora of well-paid fanfic masquerading as novels. That is what ruined Star Wars, bitches.Oh, btw, ESB has the weakest plot of the whole series. Now, fuck off.
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Sure, Spiderman 3 sucked monkey nuts, but I would watch the Spiderman trilogy over the Star Wars prequels any day.
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Has it come to this? Now talkbacks have been reduced to bickering over which sucks more, Spiderman 3 or the Star Wars prequels?
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What are you doing?! Talk about hypocrisy.
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had FAR more influence over Episode One than it did over Episode Four.
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No, not just New Hope. The redemption of Darth Vader in ROTJ was taken from General Watanabe's friend/nemesis at the end of "Fortress," when he helps them escape. The use of a technological weapon a la the Death Star was taken from Kurosawa's use of the gun as a weapon which rendered the blade useless. Kurosawa did this in most of his samurai films. Princess Amidala posing as a hand maiden in Phantom Menace was also taken from Princess Akufubi posing as a deaf hand maiden in "Fortress." Lucas also took elements from Kurosawa's other films like "Seven Samurai" and "Sanjuro", most notably the hiding in the Falcon's smuggling compartments in New Hope was out Sanjuro. One big exception, Lucas stole the scene of Luke returning to find Owen and Beru killed is out of John Ford's "The Searchers". For me, Star Wars was not a re-make, but a rip-off. Lucas still to this day denies the comparisons. As for Reggio, that's a good question. There's a Polish filmmaker, Lord, I forgot how to spell his name. His name is Pelation or Pelachian or something. He made these little known black and white films in the 60's that were basically clips taken from life, of people, of man in space, of rocket ships. Sound familiar. He even did a film that was clips of animal's faces a la Reggio's Anima Mundi. Reggio also took from Vertov's "Man with a movie camera" and Walt Disney's "Grand Canyon" film.
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Whereas spidey, not so much./p
And by the way merrick, Lucas allow the actor to creat the voice and persona of Jar jar. So why don't you call the actor racist...oh yeah, thats righ:THE ACTOR IS BLACK... -
Whereas spidey, not so much./p
And by the way merrick, Lucas allow the actor to creat the voice and persona of Jar jar. So why don't you call the actor racist...oh yeah, thats righ:THE ACTOR IS BLACK... -
To quote the great Shatner. I just got to throw my 2 cents into this, but for how long now have I been reading posts like this about George Lucas. All the whiney 'I'm so over him' shite. It's like a bunch of whiney ex-girlfriends who got screwed over (not in a good way) and have to keep pointing it out. If your over it (and you're not) quit bitching and move on. Just cuz the guy expresses an opinion. Sheesh! Here's an opinion, maybe he saw the dance sequence in SM3, now that's silly.
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Makes me think that a re-evaluation of Star Wars/Lucas is in order. While the prequels were nowhere near up to the quality of the originals, Lucas acknoledged long before they were ever released that people would like the prequels much less. And The Phantom Menace is not bad. It left you with a bad taste because it was supposed to be the return of Star Wars and George Lucas as a director, but you were disappointed. I think after 8 years, it's time for a reevaluation. And Lucas isn't a bad director. He's a bad screenwriter. He's acknowledged that as well. Spielberg even called Episode II Lucas's best work as a director -- the script and the editing still sucked, but whatever. And Lucas is an innovator and master storyteller. He may suck at dialogue, but the man has epic vision. I think all of you are going to be eating crow when Indy IV comes out.
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Where else can you find 500 anonymous deadbeats with nary a single significant accomplishment amongst them throwing words like "irrelevant," "talentless," and "inconsequential" at a billionaire who literally changed the world? It must really chap your ass that Lucas will be remembered for as long as humans walk the earth. He'll have streets, buildings, museums and libraries named after him. And you? You'll be forgotten 10 minutes after you're dead. Just another face in the crowd who struggled to live above the poverty line and constantly bitched about how life sucks. Keep up the hate fellas. I savor this shit.
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Lucas has ALWAYS credit Hidden Fortess as an inspiration, and other films for his Star Wars movies. Hell, he freely admits to other influnces such as Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon and Tolkien.
He never denied such influence...he just did a much better job of using hte influnce to tell his story than to blatantly rip it off. -
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Sorry, but Spidey 3 was a FAR FAR AWAY a better film than Revenge of the S#!t. Spidey 3 had more realist emotion, better character driven drama, and better action scenes.
When Hayden and Natalie were on screen together, the scenes were so cold and distant, it was like they just met for the first time, not expectant parents.
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What are Lucas' thoughts on this Rami masterwork?
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Sad fact of life nef but they do, showing human Peter dance is not the crime prepubescent boys are trying to spin it into, other adults in the cinema, me included got it, okay if you never but to rag on 3 minutes of a movie and claim it is silly is to loose perspective. One word, or is it two?, MidiChlorians, nuff said.
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The Pot George.
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In the last decade or so Lucas hasn't exactly struck me as the guy who loves his creations anymore, at least not while they are on the page. I think the George Lucas the writer died two decades ago. There's just no joy coming from the pages. When he plays with his new toys from ILM however....
If Star Wars is written by someone else, the difference is obvious. Look at Clone Wars, sure there's not much in terms of script since these are basically shorts but they're far more kinetic in every way compared to the prequels.
Sam Raimi, on the other hand, LOVES Spider-Man and it shows through even the hokiest scenes in part 3. It is silly, but unlike most comic book movies it casts off its inhibitions has a blast. Say what you want about Peter Parker busting a move, that's what a nerd looks like when he becomes a dick. What no one here has ever seen footage of themselves drinking?
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...midichlorians, Jake Lloyd yelling "yipee", Anakin building C3P0, the cornball dialogue, Anakin putting the moves on Amidala, the Jedi fight at that coliseum thing, Anakin's teen boy whining, that overweight cook alien friend of Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan's constant one-liners, Darth Vader yelling "Nooo" among others were unintentionally silly.
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Is like getting Pee-Wee Herman's impression of Sponge Bob's movie
and getting: "It's just silly, nothing like my two Pee-Wee
movies which had class and lots of soul searching!" as a
response.The difference between the two is that one of them
had Arad on their back's to get a storyline in the third
movie that they didn't want in there in the first place, and the other
one had only himself to blame for making three of the shittiest
Prequels on film.Lucas saying that the movie was all FX and
no substance, so a silly movie is a hell of a comment from a
guy who spent 90% of shooting time in front of blue screens
to make his movies great, then failed to give people an actual
story. "Shit, I don't know what to do here... There you go,
Let's put a Sith with a double Light Sabre in here and make him fight
for 20 minutes of the film only to have him killed off by
Obi-Wan, an Apprentice! That will be the big Climax!"... "Wait,
I need more, still got 1hr to fill.. ummm... JAR JAR! Now that's
What I'll put in there! Kill of half the movie and story and
fill the movie for another Hour!"Wow... Lucas is god! Worst
part is that he didn't deliver in Episode 2, and failed with
Episode 3 by making Vader a Frankenstein/Rocky version of the
one character everybody wanted to know how he got there.I'm
sorry, but Lucas should start looking at his own shit before
calling someone else's "Silly". It wasn't great, at had flaws
but Jar-Jar it didn't have. So from my point of view, it was
far better than Episode one. He LEANS on Effects, he feeds
off of it, that's what makes is movies now a days. Before he
had to sit down and write, and rewrite stuff so it made sense
and was “shootable” on his budgets and FX Dept realities. Now he just
throws money at projects and writes half scripts then throws more
money on the FX Dept to make his movies amazing. He is the
last one that should give his opinions on Spidey 3, or even the FF
movies.The 3 first Episodes, if you take FX away from the movie
you have a half ass Love triangle between a Queen who looks
like she's 13yrs older than a kid, but then the kid grows up
and she doesn't age a bit, then we get shitty lines between
an actress and a half actor who can't show other emotions
other than be pissed all the time, we see their relationship
actually go somewhere within the last minute of the movie, this
including the wedding scene, and then more shitty story lines
in Episode 3. Did I still enjoy Star Wars? Yes, Because I
didn't go to see the damn thing for the Oscar nominated
story, I went for the effects and the rise of Vader, and fall
of the Jedis (although I was incredibly disappointed on these
last 2 points). For me Spidey falls fort, yes, but was it
still worth going to the Theatre to see it instead of waiting
for the DVD to come out?.. YES!Lucas... Go suck Spielberg's
egg...
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No, Lucas has not always referenced Hidden Fortress. "Official" books on Star Wars never even mention Japanese influences much less the film itself. In an interview a few years ago, that question was posed to him. He said the only influence he got from "Hidden Fortress" was the idea of basing Star Wars from the point of view of secondary characters, a la C3P0, kind of the way Hidden Fortress was from the point of view of the two bumbling bickering greedy peasant characters. Lucas concluded by saying that's where the comparisons end. BULLSHIT! Lucky-ass is a denier and a liar. He did in some ways pay back Kurosawa by producing one of his films, but he's still a hack. A talented hack, but still a hack...
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OR WORST, COMPLETELY STUPID. LUCAS YOU ARE A MORON RETIRE NOW.!!!!!
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Lucas denies lifting plot elements of Kurosawa's HIDDEN FORTESS for Ep IV (and let's face it, Ep I, too)? When?
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We live in a world where a dumbfuck like Lucas who gets a bright idea to take Akira Kurosawa's masterpieces and transcribe them to a galaxy far far away, make billions off it, and appeal to the adolescent whipper-snapper in every gullable boy on the planet is hailed a universal genius and savior of the planet, but where truly great filmmakers like John Cassavetes or Charles Burnett who made truly great films about the human condition, about every day life and saw the glory in that and made films about that, and made truly spiritual films that gave us an enlightened of the world around us, had to struggle to get their films made, much less released on video. Yeah, it's an ass-backwards planet we live on. But it's non-silly masterpieces like Spiderman 3 that make me realize that life is truly worth living. He he
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It's true that the passion that was there in A New Hope is gone from the prequels. I have a feeling that the only reason the prequels even happened is so he wouldn't just abandon Star Wars.
Coppola said Star Wars robbed everyone of a brilliant filmmaker. I'm inclined to agree. If you watch/read any interviews with Lucas lately, the guy is adament on returning to more personal projects like THX-1138, American Graffiti, and the very first Star Wars.
In fact, if you look at those first three movies, Lucas was on his way to being very unique auteur. His movies all center around that theme of a man being trapped in a cage with the door open -- all he has to do is will himself to leave. I find that poignant and, in a way, brilliant. It's brilliant in the sense that his first three movies all center around that theme, yet have such different identities. I'm anxious to see Lucas going to back to smaller films. -
Seems Lucas couldn't deny it any longer, then. On the interview I have, made prior to release of Episode I, he denied any direct borrowing from "Hidden Fortress." I've never listened to the SW commentaries.
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I didn't like Spiderman 3 either but after completely butchering his own legacy, Lucas is the last guy that should be criticising anything. What a pompous, pompous ass.
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Mr Gorilla: "Plot does matter" was a jab thrown at GINO (aka Godzilla in name only) by Lucasfilm, before Phantom Menace destroyed all the credibility they had left in store.
kwisatzhaderach: not seen Spidey 3 yet. But every bitching I hear so far prepares me for a huge disapointment. Which 9 times out of ten leads for the late viewer who lowered his excitement to get a bigger kick with the movie, than those who watched it first. Science fact. That's why the people who watched TPM on day one are pissed, and the others aren't. Speaking of which, you can't say TPM has "plot". That's just not true. -
I fucking hate Star Wars and ego fuck Lucus too. The Spiderman flicks are not materpieces, but they're not crap either. I'll take Spidey any fucking day over the goofy ass Star Wars shit. I would of loved to have seen Cameron's Spidey. The next one will probably be 3D as 3D will pick up pace in the next few years.
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Lucas told me. "I explained to him that it's impossible nowadays. We can't live like that." I love the Berg's mindset. Love it. Just as I love my daily dose of film news/scoops. I hope that they keep on the secrecy course.
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He doesn't have to kiss ass like most people in Hollywood...it was kind of a dumb movie, and at least someone in the business has the balls to say so.
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The soviet dude who's responsible for "distange montage"?
I can see the other Hidden Fortress allusions now that you point them out. At the 30th anniversary screening a few weeks back, Lucas did actually cite Hidden Fortress. But I think he has been fair to recognize Kurosawa as an influence.
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Looks like Lucasfilm is going on the offensive to trash any contenders to the #2 all time Box Office spot. And the latest victim is...Spider-man 3. Think Lucky-ass's dark disciples will fall in line? Film at eleven...
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F this fat man
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it's nice to find someone who eulogizes Cassavetes -- were you in ever in class with Ray Carney?
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---is your need to defend it!!!! Yes, George has been coasting on vapors since the first STAR WARS, and also picking the talents of others to fill in the blanks. But still, a guy in a bright red and blue suit squirting webs amongst all sorts of dripping angst...that's silly. And #3 is so over stuffed with crap that it makes you wonder is Raimi was really in charge.
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By the way, see VERN's review of Spidey 3 on his site--
by bob cryptonight
---for the true facts!
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He's the guy that invented Star Wars. He's the guy that played a pivotal part in many of our childhoods. He's the guy that was 50% responsible for a little movie called Raiders of the Lost Ark, and for the iconic character that goes by the name of Indiana Jones. He's the guy that changed the way films are heard, made, and marketed.
For fuck's sake. I know the prequels weren't what we expected. Sucks. Big time. He dropped the ball. But this hate is just ridiculous.
We love to build our idols up so high, but we love even more to tear them down. Without Lucas, things in cinema would be VERY different.
And let's be honest, he was right about Spidey 3 and he had the balls to say it. He also has the balls to make movies his way with his money, whether we like them or not. He said a big fuck you to the studios, and I respect him for that. He's built his empire (no pun intended). Every filmmaker would kill to be in that position. But yeah, the prequels were terrible. -
Yes! Peleshian! That's the guy! Yer a genius, Vader! I'll buy you a drink anytime. If you have access to his films, you'll see the comparisons. Funny Reggio has never mentioned him in interviews. Had to see it for myself. Kurosawa was heavily influenced by John Ford, who Lucas also took from for New Hope. But Kurosawa's films were always his own, unless they were obvious remakes of Shakespeare plays. And no, I don't Lucas hasn't always been fair to Kurosawa. Maybe now he is, with the advent of the internet (the internet knows all), but 10 years ago, it would've been like, "Kurosawa? What? Who? Hidden Fortress? No!" I remember reading several "Officially licensed" Star Wars history/making of books made a while back, and they hardly mentioned Kurosawa or Japanese influences. Mostly it was all Joseph Campbell and Arthurian legends or some other hokum. I mean who are the Jedi but intergalactic samurai? But you were on the money with Peleshian. His films are great works of montage.
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I just wish he said a big fuck you to the studios ONLY.
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Spiderman 3 was silly and had little story....kinda like the star war movies. Its horrendously two faced for Lucas to dare criticise anyone's film for lack of story or bad script or being silly....what a toss pot.
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Seriously. But I liked it anyway.
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he added, with a wink. "But it wasn't." George says.
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have the star wars dvds. It sucks!!! Damn you George Lucas for create that shit.
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No, I never took classes with him, but I've read his books. I've always loved Cassavetes as I learned of him from Martin Scorsese's writings. But Ray Carney opened my eyes to a lot of what Cassavetes was doing. I'm a start-up filmmaker myself and credit him with a lot of my understanding of the art of cinema, and art in general. Funny. Never thought I'd be talking about Carney or Peleshian at aintitcool.com. Thanks, Vader!
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No, I never took classes with him, but I've read his books. I've always loved Cassavetes as I learned of him from Martin Scorsese's writings. But Ray Carney opened my eyes to a lot of what Cassavetes was doing. I'm a start-up filmmaker myself and credit him with a lot of my understanding of the art of cinema, and art in general. Funny. Never thought I'd be talking about Carney or Peleshian at aintitcool.com. Thanks, Vader!
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Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
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Reading the article, it seems like this writer has no fuckin' clue what he is talking about. There are no made-for-TV movies in the works. If he got that wrong then he got the "silly" shit wrong. Obviously, this nutbag has an agenda and wants people to read his column. Mentioning anything about Lucas draws the flies.
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and this talkback got sillier! I like Star Wars even with those silly muppets and musical numbers. I even like the prequels with their silly computer muppets and all. Hell, I even like the Spider-man movies, SM3 included with it's silly pelvis thrusts and finger snapping. My point is that I find it silly that ole GL makes a silly comment about something he thinks is silly and we get a whole silly talkback. And all these silly comments about silly George raping peoples silly childhoods nearly ten years after that silly Phantom Menance. Like silly jilted ex-girlfriends who can't get over the silliness of it all. It's a silly movie. Star Wars and Spiderman are silly movies, enjoyably silly silly silly...damn I'm all sillied out from this silliness.
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He's one of the most talented film-makers of our time and should be listened to when (tee hee) giving his professional (snort..hee hee) opinion about (cough jar jar cough) movies.
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I hope you kick ass with your creations! 良い運
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God, I hate that cunt.
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I'd have launched myself over the table right at the fuckers neck-sac and shaken him by it while screaming "EVER HEARD OF MIDICHLORIANS YOU CUNT?". Well I probably wouldn't. But I'd definitely have though about it and smiled wryly to myself as I watched the flab hypnotise me into thinking the prequels are good.
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coming from the man who brought us the retardation at 24fps that was the prequel trilogy. It's like Rob Schneider calling Oldschool "dumb".
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Not "SILLY".
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Spider-man 3 was 100 times better thank your suckfest prequels!
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"It's silly. It's a silly movie," he said. "There just isn't much there. Once you take it all apart, there's not much story, is there?"
[The interviewer responds] Well, it's not "Star Wars." "People thought 'Star Wars' was silly, too," he added, with a wink. "But it wasn't."... Even more hypocritical and insulting than "silly" is "there just isn't much there... not much of a story is there?". Let's take a look at the resolution of Episode 1; an 8 year old climbs into a spaceship, which auto-pilots him into the center of a massive space battle. He says "let's find somewhere safe!" and zooms into the hanger of an enemy destroyer. Conveniently there are no shields protecting the hanger. Conveniently, the enemy destroyer's generators are kept... in the hanger. Conveniently, he blows them up by accident, which conveniently disables the entire droid army below, because conveniently, only this ship is able to control them. MOVIE RESOLVED! Fucking brilliant. It takes a genius to pull out the big deux ex machina guns. Jar Jar. Pod racing. R2D2's rockets. There's really something there when you look under all of that... CG. You find the high school level drama. You had less than nothing George. It was better when it was nothing. -
The prequels are set up like a mystery novel. Who knew that a trade dispute would set off a chain of events that lead to Galactic Civil War, the downfall of the Jedi, and the revenge of the Sith?
The originals were basic good vs. evil plots. There are moments where they become profound such as in the end of Empire, and the saga's conclusion in Return of the Jedi. But other than that, the prequels have a more intricate plot.
We only like to say they don't because they are nearly 100% digital. And how easy is it to criticize a movie for being all special fx and no plot? Even if that isn't the case? -
The prequels are set up like a mystery novel. Who knew that a trade dispute would set off a chain of events that lead to Galactic Civil War, the downfall of the Jedi, and the revenge of the Sith?
The originals were basic good vs. evil plots. There are moments where they become profound such as in the end of Empire, and the saga's conclusion in Return of the Jedi. But other than that, the prequels have a more intricate plot.
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one of the coolest fantasy concepts, ever. There is just no excuse for that mess. A Prequel Trilogy written via MadLibs would've been better. Hopefully the t.v. show is about the Emperor killing some more Jedi, because they're @$$holes.
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The Jedi repress emotion while the Sith are overwhelmed by it. Hence "bringing balance to the force."
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It was a piece of shit, plain and simple. Yeah, Phantom Menace and Clones were nothing to write home about, but at least I stayed awake during those.
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They turned Vader into a preteen girl.
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Still, Spidey 3 is awful.
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without the information provided in Ep. 1 and 2. You have to see the nature of Anakin's unhealthy relationship with Padme. The overbearing nature of the Jedi. And the rise of Palpatine from a common senator to the Emperor.
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is spot on. And the 'Vern Tell's It Like It Is' column about GH is tear inducingly awesome.
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the circle is complete
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he wouldn't stop having the characters spell it out for us like we're 2 year olds in the dialogue) but he failed completely. He should've just made the Jedi flawed not morons and @$$holes.
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is it a crime to state the obvious?? the omelette twist?? the saturday night fever strutting?? the jazz club dance scene?? the JJ buying the camera off the little girl? the amnesia? the fucking butler?? the fact the meteor just happens toland next to parker?? the fact when he decides to take the suit off for good brock just happens to be downstairs at that exact moment??the total lack of real concern from gwen stacys dad that his daughter is dangling from the top of a fucking skyscraper possibly about to die..no we get a little "i'm dating your daughter humour" ....silly doesn't seem to be that bad of a word to use to describe this film. he didn't say "raimi raped my childhood" or anything like that just that the film was silly...which it was... I didn't like the prequels much but no one seems to be defending what it is he is criticising spider man 3 for....no one has put up a post explaining why spider man 3 wasn't silly.....all you are doing is saying "yeah well you made the preqeuls"...it is a real fox news way to argue...."the democrats say that bush did blah blah but in 98 clinton did so and so" its lame.can someone please explain why lucas is worng without resorting too "lucas is wrong because he made the prequels" that is not an argument.
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what does that have ot do with spider man 3 being silly?? seriously...that is not a defence of what the criticism is....please some explain whayt spider man 3 wasn't silly? hell all three of them are silly...not to say they are not great (apart from the third which is awful) but when you look at them they are very very silly films.....
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Those robot designs are fucking silly. Lucas, get off the SPidey 3 hate and put your Sith-like loathing where it belongs. Join an AICN talkback, buddy.
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Michael Bay didn't suck monkey balls --- http://imdb.com/title/tt0471307/
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But that jazz club scene is all on Raimi. Completely broke up the movie in my opinion. Along with Jameson's camera buying bit in the middle of the final fight that was so misplaced.
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"Star Wars is silly"
It's true, people did say it! George is telling the truth! -
Not a fan of the new Trilogy, but THX-1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars are almost perfect films. Of course we all know that he tried to make Apocalypse Now but Coppola took it back. I always wanted a Lucas version of Apocalypse Now. My guess is it would have been a DARK and very disturbing movie.
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Did he watch his own live action Animalympics called 'Episode 1'??
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That statement and a few silly movies, but I still love THX 1138, American Graffiti, most of the Star Wars films, and his ideas for the Indy films. For that, I still have some respect for him. I hate Spidey 3, but I still love the first 2 Spidey films, Darkman, the Evil Dead films. For that, I also still have respect for Sam Raimi. So for me, they could have some missteps, which everyone has once in a while in their life.
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were so laughably atrocious? McGreggor and McDairmid were coasting on their natural charm, everyone else was unwatchable.
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May 09, 2007 7:23:11 PM CDT
Lucas is such a fucking dickhead, at least Raimi...
by judge dredds dirty undies
made two good Spiderman films that's better than Lucas's triple clusterfuck of possibly the most beloved film series of all time. No ROTS was not a good film.
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The geek hatred for George Lucas veers close to the pathological; I can't help but wonder what would happen if, God forbid, Uncle George shuffled off his mortal coil tomorrow. Would you sad, miserable bastards actually cheer?
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This money grubbing pussy (GREEDO FUCKING DID NOT SHOOT FIRST U WHINY CUNT) has a lot of nerve to rag on SM3, with Jar Jar Binks and Ewoks on his own fucking resume.
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Can somebody please produce the Star Wars holiday special and every smoking hot turd piece of dialogue he's writting since "The Phantom Menace?" That fat, bearded, chinless grease pile's hypocrisy knows no bounds whatsoever. Oh - by the way, fat boy? Raimi's genuinely FUNNY. You couldn't write an (unintentional) funny line if it plucked your chin illusion beard out hair by hair.
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um...yeah they all were.
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Really? I'll take the silliness of Spiderman 3 over any of the prequels and the unwatchable Howard the Duck.
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I didn't expect Sith lord posing from Dark Horse comics... I EXPECTED A GOOD FUCKING STORY!!!
Silly was that dancing scene added to ROTJ and a 1950'S FUCKING DINER IN THE MIDDLE OF FUCKING SPACE!
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Lucas commits the cardinal sin of bringing joy to children--the kids in the TPM screenings ate up Jar Jar's antics every time--and you'd actually celebrate the man's death. Pathetic.
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The douche bag that unleashed f'n Ewoks and Jar Jar on the world calling ANYTHING "silly" is the height of stupidity.
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With Nathan Fillion as Han. On second thought, every TV show he's been involved in has been abruptly cancelled so maybe not. How about a digitally de-aged Harrison Ford.
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On Conan, Lucas said the series would be animated and revolve around the Clone Wars. When he said that, my reaction was "WTF?!"
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can you please explain how spider man 3 isn't silly?? i don't give a fuck about star wars and whether that is silly...thats like saying "oh let raimi go he only killed 5 people lucas killed 10" either way they are both murderers so without pointing to the many faults of star wars...putting star wars completely aside please will someone explain hopw spider man 3 wasn't silly as it is one of the silliest films I have ever seen. silly is in fact the perfect wordto describe it.
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All you losers that simultaneously venerate the original trilogy while demonizing the prequels should consider that ALL of the faults of the OT are found in the newer movies. Christensen's acting is sooo woody, yet Hamill is Lawrence fucking Oliver? Whatever your stance on Lucas, he said nothing wrong. The reason why Lucas is not being hypocritical is because he NEVER said that SW was high art. Spiderman 3 was bloated, and contrived, with aspirations of grandness (cue Spiderman with a stars and stripes background) The fight scene in TPM is better than ANY fight in the entire Spiderman trilogy. And ultimately, the rise of Palps and the redemption of Ani is more poignant than the Parker and Osbourne forgiveness turn.
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Okay, I thought Marion being in Indy 4 was put down a while back and now suddenly it's news because Lucas just has no comment about it? Okaaaaay. So is that supposed to excite me like a Star Wars Episode One title rumor in 1997? About the only thing in here that's news to me is Lucas's reaction to Spider-Man, and I kind of think he'd say that about any summer blockbuster that he or one of his friends didn't make. And frankly, that's him being generous because all summer movies are "silly" somehow. They'll be saying Connery is in Indy 4 until he dies.
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I'm glad Walt Disney croaked, so we finally got a real Disney movie.
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Whilst I agree it would have been disturbing, I differ in the WAY it would have been disturbing. It would have been disturbing because the dialogue would have been written like this, "meesa like the smell of Napalm first thing in the morning"... The 3 prequels are fucking retarded. The "plot" could (and probably WAS from all reports) have been written by a child (his own) and in any case played 2nd fiddle to the special effects. Vader was turned into a whiny brat from a second rate soap opera and the jedi made to look stupid and incompetent. He wrote the things so poorly that he contradicted the rules and established points of his own "universe" ("Is the dark side stronger? NO! Quicker, easier, more seductive") and didn't even bother attempting to maintain continuity within this universe. Spidey 3 introduced a useless character - Venom when Harry and Sanman would have done fine. The Prequels introduced MANY useless characters (Jar Jar and Mace Windu being prime examples). Overall, Spidey 3 was at best average, no worse, but certainly not greater than the first 2. The SW prequels were utter rubbish with very few "cool" things to even balance out the garbage. Cheers.
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May 09, 2007 10:14:25 PM CDT
I find it funny how much hate is directed at Lucas...
by purityofessence
...over this statement. Frankly I think that all three of the Spider-Man films have been sort of silly, as were the Prequels for that matter. Spider-Man 2 had one of the most idiotic resolutions to a problem that I can recall in a recent film; dumping the miniature "sun" that is self-sustaining into the Hudson - yeah that's pretty fucking silly. Just about on par with turning time backwards by reversing the rotation of the earth silly. The Star Wars Prequels have alot of awful and annoying shit in them and I don't really wish to catalogue but the romance was painfully silly - hell it was just painful - the movies all fealt like they were dumbed down with all the redundant exposition, etc. But all the shit that is wrong with the prequels doesn't stop Spider-Man three from being silly. I guess if all you can resort to are ad hominem attacks on Lucas without actually adressing the issue, then you probably realize that Spider-Man three is silly, but it pains you to much to admit it. What we need is a flick with Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four teaming up against Galactus and the Golden Oldie. Check out the exciting orgin story here: http://tinyurl.com/yos6v2 but since its from a comic it isn't silly.
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I dont hate Lucas at all but considering he created the worst character in movie history "Jar Jar Binks" and the most silly film ever "Menace" I think S3 is way above that.
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I dont hate Lucas at all but considering he created the worst character in movie history "Jar Jar Binks" and the most silly film ever "Menace" I think S3 is way above that.
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As soon as I read Lucas's comments, the backlash by users of this site were guranteed. But hey the guy has an opinion and just like all the other critics who canned this movie or said it was ok but not great. Unlike other critics who don't actually ever try they just prefer to sit back and poke holes in things, Lucas has given it go, he has done ok with some movies, excelled with some and not so good with others (Phantom Menance - pretty bad).
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starting with the wampa and giant space slug in 1979... Lucas did make THX 1138 and American Graffiti which Sam Raimi hasn't shown the ability to do the likes of. Or has he?
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Gorge didn't ruin the star wars movies... hell it was all HIS idea... it was HIS story. He saw fit to make it the way he wanted it. He put all his own money up for it. Nobody was breathing down his neck with ideas and concepts that "producers" wanted to see in the film(s) to squeeze some more money out of it... and the prequel triloy was more or less a success. Personally I didn't really care for the prequel trilogy. it completely screwed over the original idea. But they were "watchable films". I think it was the overuse of CGI that really cheapened the experience. I dont know if anybody ever watched "Empire of Dreams" but it did really make me think about Lucas's contribution. Without that guys effort and fortitude we wouldent have Star Wars movies to love or complain about. I dont have high hopes for the latest Indiana Jones installment but I'm sure I'm going to lay down the $10.50 for a ticket. I came upon this site by accident about 8 months ago just to get the latest news about upcoming films and with all the back seat critics and angry mobs it would be a great site. I think the guys who run the site do a pretty decent job of putting a movie into perspective with their views... I've often decided whether or not to spend money on a movie on the basis of their reviews alone. I do have my own mind about things of course and once in a while i disagree with the views but posting things like "you're a hack" and "you suck fags cockass" are not really helpful to the eyes of someone who just came here for some input on a film they are interested in. I'm probably going to get flamed for this post but it would just be nice for more people posting here to have a more open-minded view of things. This age of technology has soiled us all. To the people who do have an open mind right on! I appriciate you for using this site for its inherent intentions.
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So don't y'all get too upset about anything he says. He's plainly fucking mad.
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forget how silly you thought star wars was. totally leave all that shit aside and please all you guys attacking lucas please explain how he is wrong here. saying "spider man 3 was silly??? what oh right lucas sure thing come on you made the prequels" is not an argument. so please for the love of god I want someone to seriously explain to me how spider man 3 isn't a silly movie. is calling it silly that bad really? the film WAS very very silly.
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I would rather watch Jar Jar bounce around for what?....45 minutes of screen time (total) in 7 hours of Star Wars movies than Maguire pouting, trying to "act" and crying his bitch eyes out for 7 hours worth of Spider-Man movies. Ugh! And as much shit as people lay on Phantom Menace, it still has some replay value (opening Jedi escape, Pod race, final duel with Maul). The Spider-Man films are good for 1 viewing only. The acting is shit in both Trilogies though.
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George Lucas is an Evil Genius. He made Iconic movies sometimes at the risk of his own health. If he wants to throw stones at another director or franchise whatever. Nothing will ever beat Star Wars. Its an amazing adventure that captivated everybody in some way. What is better than the original Star Wars trilogy in terms of sci-fi? its a model for science fiction movies. Most all of them are compared to it. Sure George is a bit hypocritical for calling SP3 silly but maybe he just felt like saying it that day during that interview. The media constantly takes things out of context for the purpose of a story... its nothing new. I'm not saying I like Lucas but I cant say I've done anything in my life to compare to his creations. He's a decent film-maker and a household name. A few years ago I thought everything had been done in movies. Plots, Lines the whole deal. Once in a while I'm still surprised. Here's looking towards the future.
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Now you know that!
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For raping the very world you created. And now for being a bitch and sacking Darabont. You suck.
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that people believe George Lucas is a terrible writer, because if memory doesn't fail me, every single script review I read of the prequels was wildly positive
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Regardless...Episode I was a steaming turd. Episode II was significantly better, but still not very good. Episode III, well, I guess at least as good as II, arguably better. And let's not forget the Special Editions...
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His treatment in prequels two and three was disgraceful when you consider he was far and away the best thing about prequel one.Personally, I think all terrible films should be forced (by some kind of movie law) to have an animated alien who wanders around stepping in poo and whatnot to perk them up.
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who should be bitching about it. It;s such a ridiculous argument that some of you Lucas apologists have come up with "yeh...but er Spiderman 3 is silly"...SO FUCKING WHAT? Lucas made the DUMBEST descisions of any big name director since Renny fucking Harlin.
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He's giving them the finger. He doesn't care what they think. He has a fuck you attitude these days. Good for him.
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On Ice! Well yeah, you think Lucas's films are silly? He doesn't care. He knows that most geeks will see his films anyway. Plus he no longer needs the money. Lucas laughs at you. That's new Lucas. Watch his interview recently on Conan. It's a new darker evil Lucas these days.
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I hate that Rabbit! Seriously I am beginning to actively dislike a guy that I have never met - not because of his inability to make six good films out of a scenario that could have spawned 100 good films but just because he is increasingly coming across as a pompous prick!
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....little kids and gays. Fuck George Lucas, fuck him up his stupid ass.
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If you look at Lucas body of work post-Raiders, it really isn't that great: an inferior Return of the Jedi, 2 OK sequels Temple & Last Crusade, Howard the Duck, Willow, The Phantom Menace which is pure crap, Attack of the Clones which is cringeworthy and Revenge of the Sith which isn't bad, but couldn't save the Prequels. Then look at his early work: THX-1138, American Graffiti, Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost Ark. It looks like Lucas turned to the darkside around 1983 and we are waiting to see him redeem himself (aka Return of the Jedi Darth Vader moment) sometime in the future with something original. Then again we get more Star Wars TV and Indiana Jones IV. Oh well, he still had a great early career, and will always be grateful to him for the Original Trilogy.
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He should be up to his ass in pre-production on Indy 4 because it starts shooting next month. Scorsese once said that when he was making movies, he never had time to watch them. Get back to work, George. Otherwise, next summer we'll be calling YOUR movie silly.
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Now I liked Spider-Man 3 alright, but if I had to give it a one word review it would be "goofy". Yes, it was goofier than I expected, but of course it was silly. There have been dozens (if not more) incarnations of Spider-Man and a lot of them are super fucking goofy. It's always been a silly story and is usually filled with lame jokes and goofy silly shit. Ain't nothing wrong or unexpected with a "silly" Spider-Man movie. Maybe not (maybe far from) the best Spider-Man film/s possible. But do you remember the humor of Raimi's first two Spider-Man films? They were goofy as fuck! 3 was the same shit just even more over the top. Doesn't seem out of line to me.
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Now I liked Spider-Man 3 alright, but if I had to give it a one word review it would be "goofy". Yes, it was goofier than I expected, but of course it was silly. There have been dozens (if not more) incarnations of Spider-Man and a lot of them are super fucking goofy. It's always been a silly story and is usually filled with lame jokes and goofy silly shit. Ain't nothing wrong or unexpected with a "silly" Spider-Man movie. Maybe not (maybe far from) the best Spider-Man film/s possible. But do you remember the humor of Raimi's first two Spider-Man films? They were goofy as fuck! 3 was the same shit just even more over the top. Doesn't seem out of line to me.
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...Mr. Lucas have you watched the prequels?
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Lucas pretty much said what everyone thinks - Spidey 3 wasn't that great no matter how the fanboys want to love it. It was not as good as Spidey 2. Period.
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It's a movie about a kid bitten by a spider who gains super powers. Meanwhile Jar Jar Binks stepping in Bantha shit and corny Anakin pickup lines are the height of Shakespearean theater. Lucas has lost all sense of reality. Remember when he posted the mock Godzilla poster that said "story matters?" He turned around and gave us the worst Star Wars movie by far.
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Shitty, fucking awful, an abortion on film, Satans cumstain, now that more aptly describes Spider-man 3. oh and do me a favor posters, unless you can produce papers showing you were born and raised in the merry olde enlish island, DON'T FUCKING SAY "SPOT ON". Thanks.
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Respect the mans career and all, but Episodes 1-3 pretty much sucked. Ewan was the best part of the whole thing. Hayden was a silly joke as was the kid in the first one. The baddest ass sith lord never said whoopee as a kid. Nor was he a whiney little bitch who blamed his problems on everyone around him. And if Lucas is ever judged in the afterlife, he some serious attoning to do for fucking Jar Jar. Other than that, he's a savvy guy, cause he'll be rerelasing Star Wars every 10 years in some new way until he shuffles of this mortal coil. And I tell you what, if it's the original trilogy, I'll be there. Oh, and Spider-man 3 sucks.
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So Spidy3 is silly? Last time I checked a movie with mixed reviews and a storyline (albeit a flawed one)was a WHOLE OF HELL of a lot better than 3-count them 3!- prequals that destroyed a galaxy far far away and pissed off millions of fans with not just these movies but the dvd releases of the originals that were raped-I mean remastered with digital CRAP that no one really wanted to see! So Georgey, think before you start talking about other people's work. Any one remembers the awesome Jar Jar?
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i like it better when you say nothing at all
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was a post-modern deconstruction of american life in the eighties.
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