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AICN EXCLUSIVE! Moriarty Visits The Editing Room For PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 3: AT WORLD’S END!

Published at: May 8, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST by Moriarty

Last year, at the start of June, I visited the editing room where Gore Verbinski was hard at work trying to finish PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 2: DEAD MAN’S CHEST. I got my first look at finished Davy Jones in that room, my first sense of the larger world that the filmmakers were trying to create. I was enthused about what I saw, and I thought the final film was pretty damn fun. I’ve heard a lot of complaining about the second movie, but I absolutely stand behind what I said then: I think these are dense entertainments, and I like the complex juggling routine that Elliott and Rossio have set up for themselves as screenwriters. The ultimate artistic success of this series depends on how this third film plays out. The second film introduced about a half-dozen story threads that have to play out now, and this new movie is all about how those threads are completed. Can this team stick the landing? This year, I met Bruckheimer in the same exact place I met him last year, in one of the mixing theaters on the Fox lot. We talked a bit about what I’d seen of the other summer movies as we walked back to where Stephen Rivkin, the film’s editor, was waiting. I’ve visited Bruckheimer during post several times in this last year, and it’s always the same sort of experience. He’s a gracious host, direct, and I never feel like I’m being hyped. He’s content to just show you the footage and let it speak for itself. He told me that the first bit of footage I’d be seeing would be the opening of the film. And so I saw the first shots of Singapore. Kiera Knightley as Elizabeth, heading into the city in a small boat by herself. Singing. It’s a pirate song, but it’s not one we’ve heard before. Some of the people she paddles past know the song, though. It draws attention. And when she finally pulls up to dock and she gets out, she’s immediately approached by some rough-looking Chinese pirates who warn her about singing that song, especially when traveling alone. She’s not alone, though. In fact, Singapore is positively crawling with other characters from the films. There’s the crew of the Black Pearl, for example. They’re making their way through the underbelly of the city, almost at a parallel to Elizabeth. When she’s dragged into the presence of Sao Feng, played with remarkable charisma by Chow Yun-Fat, she’s not alone. Will Turner (Orlando Bloom) is there, a prisoner. Barbossa is there. This is basically the Jabba’s Palace/Barge scene from JEDI, but without any shitty musical numbers or Muppets. It’s a nice build-up, a cool way of dropping us back into the world of the films. We can tell that things are changing. The net is closing. It’s the end of an era. And the only way our characters can see to fix things is to get hold of the charts to the end of the world. That’s what Sao Feng has that they want. Deals are made. Double-crosses are set into motion. The actual trip into the afterlife is surreal. I’ve only seen a bit of this, but what I saw is wild, and I’m dying to see the rest of it. Here’s where we get a whole lot of Johnny Depp. I have a feeling this is the closest we’re ever going to get to the heart of what makes Jack Sparrow tick. His rescue is suitably absurd, and the return to the land of the living is positively Gilliam-esque. Yeah. That’s right. I said it. After the return to the world of the living, the crew of the Black Pearl has to get to a meeting that’s been called of all the Pirate Lords. Each of them carries an item with them that is the symbol of their membership in the Pirate Brethren. This is one of the most outrageous sets in the film, at least based on what I saw. This is also where the movie’s primary mystery is laid out: the nature of Calypso. It turns out that there was a time when pirates were afraid to sail the open ocean because they were afraid of Calypso’s fury. Then they found a way to bind her, to make her take on human form, and in doing so, they were able to tame the oceans. Now, with the East Indian Trading Company using the heart of Davy Jones to tighten the net around every single pirate still working, it’s time to consider radical solutions to the problem at hand. Like releasing Calypso and surrendering the oceans without surrendering to the East Indian Trading Company. Which raises the question... who (or what) is Calypso? Of course, that’s not the only thing the film has to accomplish. There’s a reason this one is skirting the three hour mark... they’re going to resolve everything they’ve put into motion, and just like with DEAD MAN’S CHEST and the first film, there’s even a little bit of extra movie at the very, very end after all the credits. Among the many storylines to be resolved, we see Elizabeth deal with both her betrayal of Jack and her relationship with Will. We see Will resolve his attempts to rescue his father Bootstrap Bill (Stellan Skarsgard) from the service of Davy Jones (Bill Nighy), who is now under the thrall of Lord Beckett (Tom Hollander) and Admiral Norrington (Jack Davenport), who are commanding a tremendous naval force that is imposing a new order on the entire world. Even supporting characters like Ragetti (Mackenzie Crook) and Pintel (Lee Arenberg) and Gibbs (Kevin McNally) and Marty (Martin Klebba) get some degree of resolution. Double crosses are revealed. New deals are made. I was amazed by the scale of this final film in the series. In the hour or so that I was shown from the film, the most amazing stuff by far was from the end of the film. You’ve seen a hint of it in the trailers, with the ships fighting back and forth across a giant whirlpool. That scene starts outrageous and then just keeps getting bigger and bigger and wilder and more insane. There are things going on all over the place, different planes of action and comedy and drama playing out. After watching the footage, I walked with Bruckheimer back to the mixing stage where Gore Verbinski was working. When I saw him last year, he looked exhausted. This year, he had that stare like Private Pyle in FULL METAL JACKET. The screen in the stage played a scene involving Calypso, and I got a pretty long look at who that is and how they finally appear. Verrrrrrry interesting. The volume on that mixing stage was painful, and they just kept playing the same few sound effects over and over. Verbinski made a reference to the Chinese Water Torture, and then we were on the move again, leaving him to it. I asked Bruckheimer if he misses being able to test-screen these movies. He told me that he showed it to a group of friends and family, and that they made some adjustments based on that screening. He says it’s just not possible to finish one of these movies early enough or well enough to show to a test audience. And indeed, when I was there, they were still basically waiting on a set number of shots to be delivered from ILM each and every day. Amazing how close these giant movies come in terms of delivery dates. Even so, as I left the studio, I called my writing partner to talk to him about how anything is possible in movies now. You can pretty much do anything. The old crticism "That's too big, and it's impossible to film" no longer applies. This ending is so bizarre, so bold and audacious that it seems like almost a dare from the writers to Verbinski: "Let's see what you can really do." This certainly isn't a case of a sequel just doing what's been done before in the series. I’m seeing this movie soon. Right now, I’m confident that what we’re getting is a fitting end to this trilogy. I think you have to think of this and DEAD MAN’S CHEST as two parts of a film, then the first part was all set-up and this one is all pay off. At least, that’s what I hope it is. For now, I think this looks like a really satisfying third entry in a series, and about as much bang for the buck as anything any studio’s releasing this year. Thanks to Disney and Jerry Bruckheimer for having me in on this one.


Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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  • May 8, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Numero Uno!

    by Jakes Nel

    Ha!

  • May 8, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Numero Uno!

    by Jakes Nel

    Ha!

  • May 8, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Geez...

    by Jakes Nel

    ... Guess I'm third also.

  • May 8, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Numero Two - o

    by ilander66

    .

  • May 8, 2007, 7:04 a.m. CST

    The JEDI comparison had to come...

    by Tubbs Tattsyrup

    ...since this trilogy is basically trying to be STAR WARS.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Gore Verbinski must be knackered

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I'm sure they're paying him well for his troubles, though.<p>I'm looking forward to this one, although I'm also bracing myself for chaos. So many big films these days seem to big, noisy, cluttered messes, and it's making me feel old. It used to be old fogies complained about the young 'uns and their rockin' and rollin' music, but I reckon our generation of old gits will mostly be moaning about shaky cameras, too many cuts, and too much damn CGI all over the place.<p>Still, I want to see how the whole thing ends, and I do love Mr Depp as Jack Sparrow, so I will be handing my money over to that Bruckheimer fellow as soon as possible.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Cool, but why are you given this access?

    by Trazadone

    Seriously, it's awesome that you get these sneak peaks, but why? I mean, you're not Roger Ebert. Why would you be given access to what's arguably one of the most anticipated films of the year? I want your life you bastard.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    hopefully better than spiderman 3

    by ilander66

    Kirsten Dunst was actually very unlikeable to the point of annoying, Tobey Maguire dancing... the whole cinema squirmed in their seats. So Orlando and Keira can't act that well but everyone else involved is of such a high calibre that Pirates 3 should be good (and pushing 3 hours long...sheesh)

  • May 8, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    So, just like the Matrix then?

    by GermanCity

    Where if the third film had been great, the second would have been elevated? But it was instead made worse by leading to so little, aside from disappointment. However, just like the Matrix, if the third Pirates movie blows I can still just enjoy the first one and ignore the other two. Oh yeah......ARRRRRRRRRRRR!

  • May 8, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Part 2 was a disaster

    by Darth Fart

    I couldn't believe the 2nd one; self-indulgent stupidity. Everything was so bloated that the story was diluted. I didn't care about nobody or anything. I was disappointed in the writing, too. The first one had a sense of reality, whilst the second one banished all that in favour of extreme fantasy and over done action sequences; it broke its own rules. Even though audiences want to be whisked away, you must adhere to the rules and play within them. I hope the third one redeems, but I can't see it because it was shot back-to-back. :(

  • May 8, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    'Tis the season for Overstuffed Threequels

    by dundundles

    Fa la la la laaa, la la la laaaaa.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    LONGEST DELAYED ARTICLE EVER!!

    by THE KNIGHT

    Word on the street is Mori said this would be published... 3 weeks ago? <p> Just messin...

  • May 8, 2007, 7:25 a.m. CST

    CAN'T WAIT

    by THE KNIGHT

    Great read BTW... I never got the hate for Pirates 2... Some people just live to complain complain complain...

  • May 8, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    hmmm

    by evil mystical ninja

    Something doesn't sound right with this article... It all sounds like you're trying to be as nice as possible even though deep down you know you weren't as excited or impressed by what you saw as you expected. <p> Considering what a massive deal that should have been, were you a bit disappointed Mori? <p> Either that or you're still recovering from your jet setting ways and just didn't have the enthusiasm we're used to. <p> either way, I don't have high hopes for this one now, except to see what Chow Yun Fat does...

  • May 8, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    i agree with Darth Fart

    by Stollentroll

    100 % right, sir. Can't wait to ignore this in theaters.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Please Please Please...

    by Jakes Nel

    ... Somebody tell me what EMO is...

  • May 8, 2007, 7:43 a.m. CST

    don't over CGI the pudding

    by ilander66

    too much CGI can ruin a film eventhough spidey 3 had many other faults much of the CGI was all over the place and you just could not see what was going on. the first two Pirates films have had a good balance that served the story and Davey Jones is the best CGI since Gollum for being a character that the audience could believe in. oh and apparently the biggest laugh in Spidey 3? 4 fanboys in front of me who were in hysterics when peter called his landlord Mt Ditkovich (sounds like dick hur hur hur pl-ease)

  • May 8, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Jakes Nel

    by Holodigm

    Electric Might Orchestra

  • May 8, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    looking forward to this one

    by just pillow talk

    And I 100% disagree with Darth Fart and Stollentroll. Really enjoyed the first two, and hopefully, like has been mentioned before, they don't overdo the CGI effects. Or they don't overwhelm everything else in the movie.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    EMO is....

    by ilander66

    as far as my understanding goes emo is short for emotional as in little teens in touch with their feelings and how much beauty their is to be found in a dead crow by the side of the road and endless poetry and usually bad music, hair that covers half your face, black eyeliner, black nail polish. Basically whiney rich kids with nothing real to threaten their cosseted little lives moaning that their parents are suffocating them by not being divorced and living in the same house as them and paying for everything that they want and do. take being a goth water it down a bit add an ipod and a myspace page instant emo.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    No flying Spaghetti Monster?

    by DerLanghaarige

    I mean, it's about the end of the age of pirates!<br> P.S: I'm one of these people who love part 2!

  • May 8, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    ...uhm

    by Jakes Nel

    ok thanks...

  • May 8, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Peeps will like the 2nd movie better after #3

    by PullMyFinger

    I agree with Moriarty - Pirates 3 will pay off and answer all the questions people had after #2, which will make them see the 2nd film in a different light. Randomness: I was on a bus this weekend and a girl saw an Pirates 3 ad at a bus stop. She started shrieking in the back of the bus, saying, "OMG ya'll. OMG ya'll. Is there a new Pirates movie out this summer?!? OMG I had no idea. OMG. OMG. I'm so excited." Everyone on the bus started nodding. This is going to be a huge movie.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST

    I like the idea of the Jedi homage

    by slone13

    How can you not tip your hat to the grand daddy of all trilogies?

  • May 8, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    My favorite Pirate

    by ProfGriffin

    Loved both films...and I'm really looking forward to the third. I agree that these films are the BIG summer blockbusters for our time. I mean, the toys, the merchandise, the cliffhanger of Part 2...isn't anyone getting Star Wars thrills here? No, it's NOT Star Wars, I'm not about to be that bold, but it IS the same excitement, THE trilogy for the new generation. And it's Pirates and it's Disney. But my real excitement is knowing that my all-time favorite Pirate will be ARRRGGGHHH-ing again on the big screen. Captain Hector Barbossa. Barbossa has been described as being so vicious and cruel, that "hell itself spat him out" but that's just old sea-talk. Hector Barbossa (I've read that it was Johnny Depp himself who gave him his first name) certainly will have his own motivations and goals in POTC: At World's End...and while he CANNOT be trusted, he will most certainly keep his word. His honor and his word are important things to Barbossa, as he's constantly defending it. "Don't impugn me honor boy!" Sure, he adheres to letter of agreement and sometimes re-interprets deals... "I said I'd let her go, but it was you who failed to specify when or where!" But if he reaches an accord...and makes a deal, he's bound to it. I'll wager that in POTC: Curse of the Black Pearl, when he makes his final deal with Jack...and sends his crew to 'take a walk' he had every intention of keeping his word. Of course after a time at sea with his own fleet, he was likely to turn the cannons on Jack's ship and claim his plunder too...but hey... He's a Pirate. I'd expect no less. Here's my prediction for At World's End. (I have purposefully stayed away from any and all spoilers, but can't help looking at pictures of Barbossa...I just LOVE the man) Barbossa helps Will, Elizabeth, Cotton and Gibbs find Jack. Ragetti and Pintel instantly return to his side...no question. They know who the fiercer pirate is and are quite rightly terrified of Barbossa. "You shot me!" After Barbossa keeps his word and follows through with his agreement, then all bets are off. Not only against Jack...(who did shoot him dead) but Will and Elizabeth too. One of my favorite sneak pic pictures of At World's End is Barbossa and Elizabeth (in Asian pirate gear) on the deck of a ship. Elizabeth and Barbossa are staring at each other...and the look in Barbossa's eyes read pure hatred and undistilled rage. She caused him no end of trouble...and he has not forgotten. He bides his time, he waits for the right opportunity, and just when you start to let your guard down...he strikes. That's why Barbossa is truly a pirate for the ages...and one of the greatest villains of all cinema. I truly hope he survives until the fade out at the conclusion of At World's End, but we all know the fate of mutineers and black hearted rouges. Oh, and for the record, I think he really does love that monkey.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Slow news day...

    by Jakes Nel

    Innit?

  • May 8, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    'The Greatest Trilogy Of All Time' ?

    by Mr Gorilla

    Really? Better than Kieslowski's Three Colours Trilogy? Or the Star Wars Trilogy? The three Godfather films? The Lord of the Rings Trilogy? Lars' Von Trier's (incomplete) USA Trilogy? The Back to the Future trilogy? Better than all of those? What kind of crack are you on???

  • May 8, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Back to the Future trilogy?

    by just pillow talk

    Not sure how that can be included in any sort of 'Greatest Trilogies' list. See, it's a personal opinion. ProfGriffin loves his Pirates (and monkey loving it seems). You put other trilogies above Pirates. I for one could never put Back to the Future above Pirates.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    PullMyFinger

    by PirateEmery

    EXACTLY! I found out some of the spoilers revealed in this movie like right after the 2nd Movie's Release, and it all made sense. I rewatch the film, and at no point do I feel dragged down.<P> It really IS a great film folks... just give it a goddamn chance.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Just Pillow Talk

    by Mr Gorilla

    Completely - it's a taste thing. But to put 'Pirates' above EVERY SINGLE ONE of those that I listed above (and more - didn't even menion Matrix or the first three Alien films) seems to me to be a lack of taste thing. And, by the way, Back to the Future CAN be included in 'any sort of 'Greatest Trilogies' list'. Because if you google 'Greatest Trilogies' you'll find lots of lists - many of which have, er, Back to the Future on them.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    shiver me timbers

    by LegoKenobi

    i can't wait for this one, either -- that shot of barbossa laughing maniacally whilst whirling 'round the whirlpool says it all. also, in regards to spider-man 3, did anyone else see tobey maguire with his emo hair and black shirt and think "omg, it's ian curtis!"??

  • May 8, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    ProfGriffin

    by PirateEmery

    Finally, someone that likes old Barbie. He was a brilliant character in COTBP, and a mind-blowing one in DMC. I'd actually trust him more than old Jack, for the exact same reasons that you laid down.<p> But you must also remember what he was AFTER in Black Pearl: he wanted his life back. Now that ol' Tia Dalma gave it to him, he achieved what he wanted to in Black Pearl. And I believe he'll be too busy trying to survive the EIC to take vengeance on Elizabeth/Will/Jack. I believe they'll reach an understanding, as they HAVE to become allies for the final battle.<p> AND, I just caught an interview with Rush: it sounds like Barbossa might survive.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    well, here's the thing...

    by just pillow talk

    The Matrix only had one 'great' movie in it..Alien had the first two, and Back to the Future had the first one. And typing 'Greatest Trilogies' does not prove that a trilogy is great. It just means they are sold as that on all the DVD websites. I will agree that it's pretty difficult to put it above every other trilogy, but for the kids growing up now, perhaps it is their Star Wars.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Opinion

    by ProfGriffin

    I apologize for getting a little heavy handed back there about Pirates. Yes, I do love Pirates. But JustPillowTalk is right. It's all opinion. I'm just reminded so MUCH of the original Trilogy that I enjoyed as a child...the anticipation, the toys, the guesses and speculations...and now my own son is experiencing this with Pirates. That's a Summer Movie Trilogy for me...and why it's great fun.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    BTTF is the greatest trilogy...

    by Frijole

    in which its middle movie is actually the weak spot. Well, an argument can be made about The Two Towers too... but yeah...

  • May 8, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    PirateEmery

    by ProfGriffin

    Yes, I agree with you. The greatest motivation Hector has is to stay alive...he was cursed, he WAS dead, and now he's alive and well. What greater moivation for a Pirate to mind his P's and Q's than to (as Davey would say) postpone the judgement for as long as he can. Especially since he's had a taste of it already.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    But will there be more silly, endless sword fighting?

    by skycrapper

    I never understood why most of the sword fighting in these movies seemed completely pointless. I mean skeleton/zombies sword fighting for 10 mins. Fighting on a giant water mill wheel. What's the point? These movies are eye candy at best.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Where's the interview with Elliott and Rossio?

    by ZakChase

    That's what I'm waiting for. Smart guys. They could teach Raimi and company a thing or two about writing a summer blockbuster sequel that actually, you know, MAKES SENSE.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Rush interview

    by ProfGriffin

    http://www.yourmovies.com.au/news/?action=news&i=118238 Was this the interview you mentioned PirateEmery?

  • May 8, 2007, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Can't get through the link...

    by PirateEmery

    But it was a YourMovies interview, so I'm sure that's the right one.

  • May 8, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    The Trilogy Curse

    by Jakes Nel

    I can't think of a single trilogy that doesn't have at least one very disappointing chapter. Even Kieslovski's trilogy had Three Colours: White, which doesn't compare to the other two, in my opinion. Then there's Godfather 3, Terminator 3, Star Wars (a lot of different opinions on that one), Temple of Doom, etc. Even Two Towers was a bit below par. No such thing as the perfect trilogy...

  • May 8, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Some error...

    by PirateEmery

    ... regarding the "processing the request." <p> Here's another site with the interview:<p> http://www.ohjohnny.net/potc3/potc3 news43.html

  • May 8, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Tia Dalma is Calypso

    by Thomas Cromwell

    Has to be...

  • May 8, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Obviously, I also love the monkey

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    He's my second favourite character after Jack Sparrow, so I hope he gets plenty of screen time. That bit in the trailer when he puts his little hand up made me laugh until popcorn came out of my nose.<p>Oh yes, I am easily amused.

  • May 8, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    monkeys = comedy

    by just pillow talk

    No bigger guarantee for instant laughs. Look at the careerbuilder.com ads. Monkeys make popcorn come out of everyone's nose, even when not eating popcorn.

  • May 8, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Sparrow's entrance.

    by Darth Fart

    Jack Sparrow's entrance in the first film is absolute genius - one of the great entrances. In the 2nd one it didn't work.

  • May 8, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Yeah skycrapper...

    by Frijole

    I hate all that silly, pointless sword-fighting in pirate movies too. And all that pillaging and scheming and backstabbing too. And what's with the boats??? I mean, really... why does everyone have to be on boats all the time? Seriously... these are PIRATE movies, not... oh wait. *durp*

  • May 8, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    If it worked once...

    by Nate Champion

    Jerry's got a vendetta now that Sam Raimi stole his box office thunder, so why not ring-a-ding ol' Drew McWeeney to shill for you again?

  • May 8, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Yes, there were too many lightsabers in Star Wars

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Luke and his old man should have fought it out in a good old fashioned steel cage match - an arena where true men settle their differences with folding chairs and very soft metal bins, not nancy boy light sticks. Also, each would have some kind of monkey as a tag team partner. I can see it now: Luke running around the ring screaming as a Capuchin atop his shoulders pulls all his girly hair out, and then WHAM! Darth Vader hits him with the razor wire baseball bat.

  • May 8, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    c'mon guys. lay off him about the sword comment

    by just pillow talk

    The bigger problem is the funny clothes they wear. What's the deal with that?

  • May 8, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by Frijole

    That reminds me of the scene in THE PIRATE MOVIE where Kristy McNichol is asking Chris Adkins' pirate, Frederick... if he's gay. "Those pleated shirts and all that leather..."

  • May 8, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Moriarty,

    by Midnightxpress

    Mark Kermode was right about this trilogy, don't believe the hype. Oh and these set visits on AITC come arcoss as online version of previews in magazines like SFX and Empire, all very cozy with the talent who's so generously allowing them in on their movie.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    "my writing partner"

    by Windowlicker74

    yeah mori, you're always talking about your writing partner, but what is it exactly the two of you are writing about then?

  • May 8, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    ha-ha

    by just pillow talk

    near enough a virgin too!

  • May 8, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Speaking of sword fighting...

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    They really ought to give the monkey a sword for this one. If George Lucas could give a lightsaber to that cowardly little fuck Yoda, Captain Jack's monkey buddy should also be armed. In fact, I think the undead Pirates monkey could whup Yoda's ass.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    But I don't WANNA be a pirate!

    by Frijole

    Puffy Shirt.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    monkey is a lover, not a fighter

    by just pillow talk

    always on the lookout for more monkey pirate ass...it gets lonely on those ships..

  • May 8, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Jakes Nel

    by teddanson37

    LOTR is an amazing movie trilogy. Two Towers was actually the movie that made me fall in love with the movies. When I saw the first one, I'd never read the books so I just thought it was alright with some pretty crazy effects. But Two Towers blew my mind. I can't imagine a better trilogy ever being made. Most of that comes from being filmed back to back and having excellent source material. That always helps. I still can't figure out what the writers were thinking with the last matrix movie.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    yeah, I like my characters bland

    by just pillow talk

    so I don't give a rat's ass what happens to them. It makes the movie that much more interesting.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    If Anything Is Possible In Movies Now...

    by Pan_Krator

    ... will this have some impact on what's possible to do on television? I was trying to think of something original for a TV series, but keep running into the same obstacles: Budget, locations, censorship....... comments? (And no, please don't say "HBO has shattered all the old rules of television" because that's just not true.)

  • May 8, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Trilogies

    by SavageDragoner

    You know what bothers me about most modern day trilogies? The fact that no director ever goes into them with any balls and fully expecting them to be trilogies. So you always get the first movie in any trilogy that ends on a happy note and can stand on its own merit and keeps the rest of the movies from feeling like part of a cohesive story. Then, after it makes some money and the studio is convinced it would be worth their while to make another one, they shoot the second one as a cliffhanger and tie everything up in the third one. The original Star Wars was like this, as was the Matrix. Back to the Future had it really bad, because the first one was filmed like five years before the other two were shot back to back and they brought in that awful theme about Marty turning into some kind of retarded daredevil everytime someone called him a chicken. Even the new Star Wars Trilogy was like this to a degree, with that awful midichlorian crap that Lucas just kind of gave up on past the first film. Pirates, while I absolutely adore the films and can't wait for the third, suffered from this as well, because the studio was terrified this would be another Cutthroat Island, so they had the film be self-contained. In fact the only trilogy I can think of in this day and age that didn't suffer from this was LOTR, because Jackson knew he was going to get to do all three. Thoughts?

  • May 8, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    editing room?

    by BadMrWonka

    why didn't they have one of those for the 2nd movie?<p>just playing, I loved it...

  • May 8, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    What do you mean "modern day trilogies"?

    by Frijole

    Movie trilogies are almost strictly a modern (last 30 years or so) phenomenon. So what are the "old" trilogies that you're comparing them to? And it isn't the directors that don't have "balls"... it's the studios. And I can't say I blame them. It'd be pretty fucking presumptuous and (and dumb)for a studio to pony up hundreds of millions of dollars for a series of movies of an untested property. I'm not saying that the issue you describe isn't there. It is. And all the movies you cited show this. But it will never change and frankly, I can't begrudge the studios that at all.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    All together now

    by ProfGriffin

    Yo Ho Yo Ho A Pirates Life for Me! We pillage, we plunder, riffle and loot, drink up me hearties, Yo Ho! We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot...drink up me hearties, Yo Ho! (Thank you X Atencio) I hope that all the characters sail off into the sunset singing this song. (Jack did say he was going to teach it to the whole crew didn't he?) Just kidding. But maybe not.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Thomas Cromwell

    by PirateEmery

    The funny thing is that it was already foreshadowed in Pirates 2. Two scenes come to mind: the Tia Dalma scene (first one) and Davy Jones playing the Organ. Davy Jones fell in love with a woman as harsh and unchanging as the sea. In other words: the Sea Goddess, Calypso. Then look at Tia Dalma's Crab Heart locket. Skip to Davy Jones' Organ scene: the VERY SAME LOCKET. Davy Jones was in love with Tia Dalma. Thus, Tia Dalma = Calypso.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    And Best Allusion Goes To...

    by PirateEmery

    Frijole, for the Seinfeld reference.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Frijole

    by SavageDragoner

    Sorry, I said modern day, but I was really just speaking in general, not comparatively. And you're definitely right, it's not always the directors (although Lucas now finances his own movies) but the studios. And again you're right, it will probably never change, because it's all about the business. But here's a thought: if a movie is going to fail, it's going to fail regardless of whether or not it ends on a cliffhanger. In fact, I would think the studios would want more movies to end on a cliffhanger, so that more of the audience might be interested in seeing another movie in the series. I don't know, what do you think?

  • May 8, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I dunno...

    by Frijole

    If a movie fails theatrically, it can still find a life in video/DVD and on cable and whatnot. And can eventually break even (if not turn a profit) but only If it is a standalone story (at least that is what I think). If that movie were a cliffhanger and the audience KNEW that they would never get the rest of the story, then I think it would alienate any future viewers and put a stopper in any lasting popularity the movie might have. Example: LEGEND. A theatrical flop… but one that is considered a minor classic now and has an enduring popularity. If that movie had a cliffhanger ending – and its theatrical performance assured no sequel would be made to finish the story, do you think it would be as popular today as it is? I don’t. I know I would have been extremely turned off by feeling like I’d been gypped out of something… and probably never would have watched it again or recommended it to anyone.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    All together now (but only if you're a pirate...)

    by PirateEmery

    Yo ho, haul together. <p>Hoist the colours high!<p> Heave ho, thieves and beggars...<p>Never, shall we die...

  • May 8, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    If "anything is possible in movies now", how come

    by Puddleglum

    Megatron still looks like a metallic vagina in Bayformers?? Or, do we call it "TINO" now? Whatever. I hope this last Pirates film is good, because that trailer gave me cause to doubt.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Soundtrack.net first listen

    by Evil Hobbit

    "Yo ho, all together, Hoist the Colours high / Heave ho, thieves and beggars, never shall we die!"<br> <br> http://tinyurl.com/2t9wh3

  • May 8, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    FUCK YOUR LAME MATRIX COMPARISON

    by gride9000

    Dr Gonzo, did you take Ether? Because your comments this morning have been like the rambalings of: "the town drunkard in an early Irish novel" -HST. Here's a timeless Jem from your dumb ass keyboard "Too much swordfighting in Pirates" that is the dumbest thing anyone ever said.....ever. That just so ignorant, I should ignore you but it's just so funny. Less swords in a pirate movie. What else should we take out? How bout less pirates. Yea....to many pirates in this movie. You have to sit in the corner for 15 minutes. Here's another jewel "blah blah...Joe 12-pack/soccer mom/mallrat filter before it's released." I wish I shit gold bricks but I realize It's just not gonna happen. Test audiences are insurance, and movies started making way more money after they were implemented. Sure they fuck up movies that way, but HOLLYWOOD IS A BUISNESS. Those suits are there, to make money, entertaining the broadest possible audience is what it's all about. That's life, plus theres always the Ultimateedition/Platniumedition/Director's cut released on DVD /HDDVD /BluRay. Anyway, Dr. Gonzo is a big name to live up to and you area super lamo.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Damn...

    by SavageDragoner

    Damn good point, Frijole. You are looking at the bigger picture!

  • May 8, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Evil Hobbit

    by PirateEmery

    Is it HAUL or ALL?

  • May 8, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    all

    by Evil Hobbit

    at least that's how it's quoted on soundtrack.net and what I figured from the track. Not sure.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by the darkman

    I loved the first one, and thought the second one was even better. The new one looks great, and I think their going to hit it out of the park. That said there's always a chance of a miss fire, but I think they have it right. We'll see.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Is POTC "Pattack of the Clones"?

    by tonagan

    I always get confused.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    THIS YEAR'S LITTLE MISS POTC 1!!! CAUSE 2 SUCKED!

    by Err

    I have high hopes because of Chow Yun Fat and Geoffrey Rush returns. Rush made POTC1 awesome.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Part 2's lame-ass cliffhanger

    by TheGreenStyle

    has made me not want to see part 3 just on principle. I pay my 10 bucks, I should get a whole movie, dammit! not some half-movie with too much filler that doesn't know where it's going or what it's ultimate purpose is.<br> <br> But I probably will see it. My poor cripled mother loves the pirates movies, so whenever she goes out to a movie I have to go with her, to help her in and out. Still, if I can avoid paying for the tickets, I will.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I generally like Mark Kermode...

    by Frijole

    but I can't possibly get behind his opinions on this series when he calls Sparrow "one of Depp's worst characters". I'm sorry, think what you want about the original, about the sequel, about Bloom, whatever... But characters like Depp's Jack Sparrow- are the reason that movies were invented.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Listening to the preview soundtrack...

    by PirateEmery

    ...this is going to be a quality movie. Not a popcorn seller, but a quality movie.<p> This movie is going to be awesome...

  • May 8, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    PIRATES DELIVERS THE WOW FACTOR. SPIDEY THE SIGH FACTOR

    by TheDohDoh

    Say what you want, these pictures are setting the bar for movies like Avatar and the new Indiana Jones. Dead Man's Chest really wowed the hell out of me last year. I haven't seen a summer movie that did that since maybe Jurassic Park and especially the first Indiana Jones. It was like being inside a fucking Gravitron in the theatre, and I can't wait for this one. I think when all is said and done, we'll be talking about this one and not Transformers. AND DEFINITELY NOT SPIDER-MAN 3. THEY DROPPED THE BOMB ON THAT BABY, I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY IT GROSSED IT'S FIRST WEEK.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Moriarty, F-U

    by Err

    The music in Jabba's palace was great and no muppets would've meant no yoda and other great characters. Screw you, you Bruckheimer ass kisser.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Tia is probably Calypso

    by performingmonkey

    Well, considering they setup Davey Jones being in love with her, and she's the only other female character (Calypso is hardly going to be Elizabeth).

  • May 8, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I wonder if they're hiding a BIG BAD from us...

    by Frijole

    Poseidon, Neptune... When we've passed folklore and myth and actually moved on to MYTHOLOGY, then it's open season as far as I can tell. I say "bring 'em on".

  • May 8, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Things I hope we learn in this movie

    by danielsan27

    I LOVE that Disney and Bruckheimer have had the backbone to make these movies as dense, intelligent, and dark as they are while still making them feel like huge rollercoaster rides. I really believe this is one of the great movie trilogies of all time. But if this really is the end of the series, there are a few things I hope they deal with... • The nature of Jack Sparrow's relationship with both Beckett... in detail. I want to know what Jack did to get him that brand on his arm. • The nature of Jack's relationship with Davy Jones... again, in detail. What deal did Jack strike with Jones that makes him owe the monster his soul? I know from the second film that it involves Jones allowing Jack to captain the Pearl for ten years... but that is still pretty vague. Why did Jones have to LET Jack captain the ship? This brings up the issue of... • Why the Black Pearl is so special, why everyone is after it. • Has Jack always been a pirate? •What EXACTLY has Beckett been up to back on land as a result of his pirate hunting? If this really is a movie about the end of an era, does this mean we are going to see him killing boatloads of pirates? I adore these movies, LOVE them passionately. They are some of my favorite films. I really hope, as a lover of great storytelling, that they answer these questions...

  • May 8, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Jack and Davy's deal

    by Err

    I hope it isn't something as lame as Jack savings a girl he loves.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Jack and Beckett

    by Frijole

    "We've both left our marks on each other". Jack has the pirate branding of the EITC, as do most pirates who'd been captured at any point. So there is no mystery there as to how/why. Now as for what "mark" Jack left on Beckett. I'd say he cut off his willy. Jack seems obsessed with eunuchs. So I assumed that he did the 'ol "snip snip" to Becket during a swordfight or something. Could be wrong, but it seems a likely (and amusing/ cringe-worthy) answer.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    PirateEmery's Calypso

    by grey_pilgrim26

    Woa, ok...that's just crazy. I can see that working. Fits perfectly... Anywho! ATWE...I loved loved loved loved loved POTC 1, just loved. But DMC kinda left me feeling *eph* after I finally got over the rush of the ending. Cause come on, Barbossa? Love Rush, one of my fav actors so to have him back is just freaking amazing. But I also agree that Moritary's scoop seems a bit subdued. Then again, it may be a good sign that he's learnt the lesson of hype after the second movie, well, that's what I hope it was. I bloody well hope this is the "Return of the King" of Pirates, NOT "Return of the Jedi". Don't think I could stand another onslaught of sappy dialogue and furry midgets....Thank christ for Captin' Jack and Barbossa!! By the by, what is it with characters named Captain Jack?

  • May 8, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    grey_pilgrim26

    by Err

    Captain Jack is better than Captain Morgan.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    WHAT?

    by lionbiu

    The forst piarates movie was great fun....but the second was a awful mess. It was a convulted mess that had several storylines but not a single conclusion to any of them...yes it may have been a prelude but that does not give it reason to be a over long stupid mess. Remove Keira and Orlando (they add nothing to the movie) and bring back the fun and excitment of the first movie..we all saw what too many subplots turned Spiderman 3 into.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    And why are Pirate movies...

    by idahomer

    ALWAYS set in the past? I mean, who cares about historical stuff? They'd be a lot better set in the present. Then they could have Glocks, speedboats, girls in bikinis. Instead of treasure they could be looking for...cocaine maybe. And you could have modern music.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Monkey vs Yoda

    by Dr Gregory House

    GOTTA be better than AVP or Freddy vs Jason

  • May 8, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    You can't get rid of Keira...

    by Frijole

    This trilogy is Elizabeth Swan's story. She has the strongest arc of the whole series. And as for convoluted, overlong movies that leave numerous dangling plot threads... please see The Two Towers and Empire Strikes Back. Does that make them any less great? Nope.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Han Solo died!! There was no end to that storyline!!

    by PirateEmery

    Empire Strikes Back SUCKED! It was a convoluted mess that didn't conclude ANYTHING.<p> ;-)

  • May 8, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    frijole

    by lionbiu

    The Two Towers and Empire Strikes Back actually handle their multiple story's well. Pirates 2 did not.......it was a total mess. A ton of storylines began, but nothing came of them. Now I am expected to believe that they can finish the 6 or 7 storylines they abysmally began in part 2 while introducing several other plot lines and characters?!?! If part 2 was anything to go by..they will probably fail. The pirate movies are visually stunning, but they are very shallow movies...Swan's story is just a rehas of many over arc's...added the fact that Keira is a terrible actress and her acting in part 2 consisted of 1 hour and 40 minutes of striking a fish pout pose and whinig like a essex girl who has not had her daily cock up the ass. It was terrible, Jack was redused to being a cartoon character and forced into situations that would make Loony Tunes cretors role their eyes (the whole cannibal island scene was pointless and wasted 30 minutes of screen time that could have been used to push the plot or develop the characters.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    I beg to differ...

    by Err

    Empire was not convoluted like DMC was. DMC was just action, action, action, action, action, little plot, action, action, action, action, action, little plot, action, action, action, action, action, cliffhanger. Empire and Two Towers balanced plot and action.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    so the real question for me is

    by quadrupletree

    Are they going to make a fourth??

  • May 8, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    lol

    by lionbiu

    excuse the grammar....rush typing ;)

  • May 8, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    My guess

    by White Goodman

    is that we'll be seeing POTC 3 reviews long before we see that Spiderman 3 review by Harry. Just saying, he's a fat, lazy bastard.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    man, i cannot wait

    by purplemonkeydw

    i love these movies

  • May 8, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Who is or is not busy banging his imaginary wife/fiance

    by PirateEmery

    Calling her his imaginary "wife" got him to come out into the talkback once, let's see if it'll work again.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    So which is it? Too much plot or too much action?

    by Frijole

    People keep regurgitating one or the other (and sometimes even both, contradicting themselves). And the cannibal island sequence was not pointless. I have gotten into this on nearly every Pirates thread in the last year and am not going to explain it yet again... but it absolutley served the overall story.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Let's see...

    by Bubba Gillman

    The beginning is just like the beginning of Jedi. Chow Yun Fat is obviously playing the Lando Calrissian role. Let me just say that if the pirates enlist the aid of a race of diminutive shrimp/human hybrids to defeat the India trade thingy, Mr. Lucas should sue.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Cannibal Island & length

    by jabbathegriffin

    Of course it served the story. Jack had to hide from the open sea, he was now in greater danger and Will needed to retrieve him. All well and good. It just took about 40 minutes of screen time to accomplish. You could have done this in 3/4 of the time, still have a killer chase sequence and the story's moving faster. Do this on each sequence, and you'd have had a tight, 2-hour roller-coaster that the movie wished it could have been. I should be chomping at the bit for May 24th, but instead I'm dreading the length, like it's a cross-country flight or something. Whatever happened to 'leave 'em wanting more'?

  • May 8, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    It's something

    by the darkman

    I don't get what people's problem is with Dead Man's Chest. The continuing story thing must be harder to understand than I thought. It's not that hard people, get over it already. If you liked the characters in the first film then you shouldn't have had a problem with the second. The new characters they added were fun, and creative. I've heard over, and over again about all these supposed things that made no sense, and where there for no reason. I have to disagree if you watch the movie closely it all makes sense, and I feel they will finish off everyones story lines in an effective manner that will please the fans. If your not a fan then you won't like it no matter what they come up with, and to that I say that's your choice.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Cannibal Island...

    by idahomer

    1. Showed that jack was so fearful of the Kraken he would land anywhere. 2. Let Will catch up with him. 3. Got rid of all the crew members except the necessary ones. 4. Allowed the two comic relief pirates to rejoin. ALL necessary elements.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Legend's cliffhanger ending

    by Rameses

    A version of Legend shown now and again on BBC2 ,does actually feature a sort of mild cliffhanger, with a laughing close-up of Tim Curry's Darkness , ghosted over the top of the heroes , suggesting he'll be back . As for Pirates 2 , I'm hoping it will work a lot better , once we've seen the third one .It was very much unresolved and a bit unsatisfying.Nearly all set up, waiting for a pay off .

  • May 8, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Jabba...

    by Frijole

    It never felt like 40 minutes to me. I'll have to clock it next time. ;-) As for "leave them wanting more", I don't think any movie in the last 10 years has "left me wanting more" than DMC. If I had walked out of the theatre and someone was taking people to a test screening of a rough cut of part 3, I would have taken a piss and gotten right in line.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    cannibal Island

    by ProfGriffin

    Ted and Terry have explained this many times. The Cannibal Island sequence (besides being FUN) served to bring all the characters back together and more importantly, drop a HUGE chunk of info regarding the Peligostros belief that Jack is a god TRAPPED in human form. Hint Hint. No...Jack is NOT Calypso.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Yeah Rameses...

    by Frijole

    I knew about that. But that is pretty common, even for self-contained stories, and is often more of a joke or a stinger than an actual cliffhanger. The endings of Flash Gordon, the first Austin Powers and Freddy vs. Jason were both similarly open-ended, but I wouldn't call them cliff-hangers. Same with the original BTTF, whereas in that a sequel was never originally intended and the "cliff-hanger" was a total gag.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Plot Threads

    by ProfGriffin

    Jack Sparrow was Captain of a boat called the Wicked Wench. When Jack refused to transport slaves, the EITC sank his ship and he was branded a pirate. Davey Jones raised the Wicked Wench (now renamed The Black Pearl) for Jack and he was to be it's captain for 13 years...but his first mate instigated the mutany and the rest is Pirate history. NONE of this is in the movie...but I hope it will be. The backstory is posted on several official sites including the freakin' toy sites...(like Zizzle and Neca) Star Wars anyone? Bounty Hunters? Who the hell is Zuckuss and Dengar? Remember all the unspoken backstory and unknown detail that was obtainable elsewhere? Remember how much fun that was? THAT'S what I mean.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    so basically

    by lionbiu

    it was a lazy plot ploy to get all the characters together and kill off the rest of the chracters who were pointless in the first place?!? Sorry it was pointless and everyone in my screening was groaning at the top of their voice....it was just too stupid and pointless. 5 guys drop from a huge canyon into a ocean and we are meant to believe that they are dead...Jack falls from the same height and smashes through a bridge and lands on solid earth...but survives?!?! The cannibal isalnd scene did not add anything to the overall story...it could have been interchagned with any area (a deadly cave, Fox studio, a deserted island...which funny enough they sue again to some how magically bring the cast back together again) and dodne just the same thing. The problem with the movie is it had far too much going on without a clear sense to what it meant, when Jack bargained with Davy to bging 100 (or whatever) souls to him it's all but forgotten in the next 10 seconds. The movie was a big loud shallow mess...sorry, it's my opinion and I am sticking to it. I'd rather wait for the Bourne Ultimatum than waste money on another pirates movie...CGI does nothing for me anymore.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    It is not forgotten...

    by Frijole

    It is what drives the crew back to Tortuga... to try and recruit said souls. Meeting up with the now drunk, jobless and homeless Norrington AND Elizabeth... Norrington joins, but not enough souls are found, which leads us to the next movement in the story and Jones' unleashing the Kraken on Jack and his crew. Yes there are conveniences, yes there are contrivances... but in the context of a fictitious adventure story (one with plenty of supernatural elements, as well) it all flows like clock-work and makes perfect sense to anyone even half paying attention.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    So it's Cannibals you don't like...

    by idahomer

    since you are baying they could have used any plot device? And you just didn't like the one they choose. Well, at my screening every single person cheered at it. See how stupid generalizations sound?)<p> I like my summer blockbusters 2 1/2 hours. What do all the cannibal haters wish had been included instead?

  • May 8, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'd like to know where this theater is...

    by Frijole

    that had people "groaning" at the Cannibal Island sequence. I love when people use stories of "what happened in my theater" to prove their point. Cuz invariably it's a ridiculous story. Did some jokester sandwich DMC into the middle of a Bergman double feature at a high-falootin' revival house??? That's the only screening scenario I can possibly imagine where the whole crowd audibally hated that scene. I'm not one to put unworthy stock in the saavy of the average movie-goer. But unless your entire screening was made up of people that were NOT your average movie-goer, then you have an addled memory. The average movie-goer ADORED that movie, as evidenced by it's phenomenal box-office.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    idahomer

    by lionbiu

    The scene was just used to put some idiotic slapstic humour which was not needed, it slowed the film down and added nothing to the plot. None of you have convinced me it added anything to the ACTUAL STORY..all you have said is that it allowed the filmakers to put the characters together, fair enough, but could that not have been done in a way that added to the overall story?!? Sorry the 100 souls thing was dropped like a bad habit, yes they went to recruit more pople...but it hardly seemed it connected with any of the other plotlines. The movie just felt disjointed...maybe I just like intelligent movies that actual have some resemblence of purpose and plot with well rounded characters and no CGI overkill...But that's just me ;) (Look,I can be just a condescending too)

  • May 8, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I was just thinking about unnecessary beginnings...

    by idahomer

    Raiders of the Lost Ark. Empire Strikes Back. Any Bond Movie. They really have little to do withe the rest of the story. All could have had more original openings.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    And it begins and ends with one statement

    by lionbiu

    "The average movie-goer ADORED that movie, as evidenced by it's phenomenal box-office." Dear God I hate when people use box office receipts to equate to actual quality. Also this site is not for the average movie goer who make films like Wild Hogs and Norbit number 1 movies..it's for filmgeeks . I watched the movie here in the UK, so maybe the reaction was different...but I would not make up something to prove to some anonymous person on the internet. The movie had flaws which you have alreayd admitted was brought up on every thread you discussed Pirates 2 with...so maybe (shcok horror) it actually is a heavily flawwed movie.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Box Office Receipts Show...

    by Err

    that more people love Titanic than Star Wars. It's just that simple. [/sarcasm]

  • May 8, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Every movie is flawed...

    by idahomer

    When I was a film student (yes I know, but hang with me), we had one instuctor who was an actual director (Denis Sanders). He used to talk about that and how you can either decide to look for the flaws or just enjoy the ride. I can concede that there are flaws in DMC, but they are insignificant compared to the entire movie.<p> But let's face it we will never agree on this, and that's okay.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Hey bonehead...

    by Frijole

    If you're going to stoop to calling the people that liked the movie unintelligent, then I can stoop to calling you a snooty asshole. If you read my post properly, you'd see that I do NOT equate box office with quality. However I DO equate box office with popularity with the average moviegoer. And I was simply pointing out that your normal screening is going to be about 10% geek/film-snob and 90% "average movie-goer"... And to claim that the whole theater (including that "averagemoviegoer" majority)was audibly unhappy with the movie, is fucking stupid. And nice how you use that supposed reaction to back up your OWN opinion, but when pushed from the other side their opinion is dismissed. And don't even START to try and bring a "maybe we're more discriminating on this side of the pond" angle into this.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Cannibal Island is Jabba's Palace

    by Alfred_Packer

    ..duh..

  • May 8, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Kraken = Rancor?

    by Err

    Can it be true?

  • May 8, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    ..and Endor

    by Alfred_Packer

    This series borrows heavily from Star Wars, and so far, mostly the good/great parts.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    YES, ProfGriffin! EXACTLY!!!

    by danielsan27

    I've read the backstory about the Wicked Wench and Davy Jones and the slaves, but if it's not in this third movie, it will weaken the entire trilogy. The fact that Jack was once a privateer and was branded a pirate for freeing slaves is AMAZING. It gives an ENTIRELY new level of meaning to every single thing that happens in the entire trilogy. But where, WHERE is that information in any of the movies so far? It HAS to be in "World's End". It HAS to be.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    You know...

    by Jakes Nel

    The fact that you keep having to defend Pirates 2 should maybe tell you something. Like a woman that keeps defending her drunk wife-beater of a husband.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    PIRATES/STAR WARS

    by palimpsest

    You mean that Will and Elizabeth have been brother and sister all along? Ewww. Bring on the East India Company's big walking boats that get easily crippled by penguins with boomerangs. And let's have them hide the Black Pearl in an island that turns out to be a monster. Or something.

  • May 8, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Dead Man's Chest was a lot of fun.

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>I never understood the harsh opinions some have of the second Pirates movie. I respect the opinions, but it seems that some viewers place more weight on these movies than they deserve to have to carry. Just like many of the best swashbuckling flicks, they splash a lot on the screen and leave us with some very memorable characters. That's a lesson Lucas learned and applied well to Star Wars and Raiders. I appreciate that the studio had the sense and the guts to plan and shoot these last two films back to back. The savings must have been pretty significant, and being able to release the last two films so close together is also a great advantage.</p> <p>I'm really looking forward to this last film. There is some serious talent in the cast, and if the effects match or top the Kraken from the last flick, I think we're in for a damned good time. And there is certainly nothing wrong with that.</p>

  • May 8, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I REALLY enjoy DMC!

    by Womb2dooM

    It was a damn good time considering it was all setup. Remember (how could we forget) how shit The Phantom Menace held up as a "setup movie".

  • May 8, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I can't believe...

    by Mosquito March

    ...how seriously some of you guys are taking these movies. The plotting (and padding) is out of control, the wildass action scenes have little or nothing to do with the 'story' that actually exists, and there are far more characters than the writers seem to know what to do with. In fact, there isn't a single major character in the franchise that has anything resembling actual character depth - least of all Jack Sparrow, a tiringly one-joke character. The only guy in the second movie who had changed even the slightest bit since the first was Norrington, who has been marginalized. If they'd removed Orlando Bloom's character from the start, and set up the character of Norrington in his place in the triangle instead, I might have been more engaged. Who really cares if a blacksmith struggles with becoming a pirate? I'm sure there have been many good blacksmiths and evil blacksmiths throughout the history of blacksmithing, but a blacksmith's struggle between light and dark is not an inherently powerful metaphor for anything. Putting a hardcore pirate-hunter in Will's place, on the other hand, would have generated a hell of a lot more genuine conflict, when he's forced to become the thing he's vowwed to destroy. That's fucking Dramatic Storytelling 101, people. As it is, there are three lead characters who are either obnoxiously campy, or statically boring pretty faces (you know which is which) who run from one noisy, cartoonish action spectacle to another for well over two hours. I know I will never convince any of the true believers that Jack Sparrow is a badly written, one-note character who way-overstays his welcome, but I find it hard to believe that anybody could look at Elizabeth and Will, say they're truly great adventure film characters, and really mean it. If so, we as an audience have gotten very, very lost since Indy and Marion chased the Ark of the Covenant, and now exemplify everything that is wrong with the film industry today.

  • May 8, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Davy Jones did NOT raise the Pearl

    by PirateEmery

    Jack Sparrow was in the employ of the East India Trading Company. They no longer needed his services, so they asked him to turn in his ship and leave. He said "No, actually, I like my ship, and, oh, I'm a pirate."<p> Beckett branded him with the P and lit the Wicked Wench (Jack's ship) on fire, then it sank.<p> Jack ran to Davy Jones and traded his soul to bring the Wicked Wench back from the depths. Jones did him one better: he brought it back just as it was, with flame-scarred hull and sails, but with magical speed. Thus, the Black Pearl was created.

  • May 8, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    lionbiu

    by slappy jones

    i agree with you for the most part about people using BO as some kind of quality indicator but in this case i just don't think a film makes over a billion without a lot of repeat business...not that that indicates the quality of anything but it certainly backs up claims that the genral movie going public loved it....if the word of mouth was as bad out in the real world as it is here on movie message boards pirates would never had made over a billion...

  • May 8, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Pirate's Midnight = 8 pm?

    by PirateEmery

    Did anyone else hear this?? Pirates is doing a Midnight Showing AND an 8pm showing on the Thursday before.

  • May 8, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer..

    by Mosquito March

    Part of the reason people criticize the movies is because other people laud them so vociferously as examples of great, "intelligent" filmmaking, and actually spend time sitting around trying to intellectualize a series that is basically popcorn entertainement designed for people who don't necessarily want to have to think at the movies. I have looked, and do not believe that these hidden layers of brilliance exist. I have noted the little details that people are proclaiming as brilliant, and I don't see that the big deal is. People said the same shit about MATRIX movies, which had a hell of a lot more going on as far as subtext, and even they couldn't deliver in the end. Watching these movies makes me feel like the a script supervisor was never even allowed on the set. The 'plotlines' all over the place, and nobody seems to care. And, Bruckheimer has never cared. I am not a big fan of the LOTR movies, but I have watched each film twice, and have great appreciation for the genuine intelligence behind their realization. If people want to call that a great trilogy, I get it. But, entertaining as it might be to a lot of people, at the end of the day, POTC is typical loud, senseless Bruckheimer product peppered with an attractive cast, only set in the 18th Century instead of modern day. It isn't any more than that.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Mosquito

    by Frijole

    1) The conflict is not Will resisting becoming a pirate. That conflict is Elizabeth's. 2) It's one thing to dislike it, but if you actually think that movies like DMC are "everything that is wrong with the film industry today" then you aren't paying attention to what is out there. For a better look at what is wrong with the film industry, please take into account any Jamie Kennedy movie or "Delta Farce" or any of a string slew of copycat slashers or asian ghost story knock-offs or gangsta rapper vanity projects. Sorry, I'll take the scope, excitement and imagination of a single POTC movie (flaws and all) over all of that garbage put together.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Oh and you can add whatever color-by-numbers...

    by Frijole

    generation gap dramedy starring either Jane Fonda or Diane Keaton or Goldie Hawn (all brilliant actresses who seem lately to have been relegated to careers playing the mothers and grandmothers of your J-Los and your Lohans)that happens to be in theatres to that list as well.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Can't wait...

    by wadi77

    And I get to see it midnight May 23rd!!

  • May 8, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    gride9000, "lamo"?

    by PirateEmery

    You should be shot, good sir, for your stupidity.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    wadi77: I get to see it 8pm on May 24.

    by PirateEmery

    Take that, bitch. hahahaha

  • May 8, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    PirateEmery

    by wadi77

    Read my post carefully: And I get to see it midnight May 23rd!!<p> MAY 23

  • May 8, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Mosquito March, you make a very precise argument

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>that pretty much dovetails with the way I take this franchise. The Pirates films are big, solid, brassy, noisy, somewhat obnoxious, boisterous, splashy, and they show just the right amount of reverence and respect for those who have buckled their swashes in films of yore. They are entertainments in the classic definition of the word. And considering how many films--big and small, studio and indie--lack that critical ingredient, I'm pleased that they hit on a winning formula that they seem willing to tweak from film to film.</p> <p>Will and Elizabeth are pretty set dressing as far as I'm concerned. The real center of the films is the world of the pirates and the supernatural. I enjoy how much more we learn about Jack as the story progresses, and he comes up against some world-class nemeses . Will and Lizzie are necessary as they are our entry into that world, but I think they're fairly insignificant to my enjoyment of the films. That's pretty impressive when you think about it. If the effects and the plotting stay sharp, At World's End is going to be a rousing good time at the movie house. (What the hell...I feel like I swallowed Gene Shalit. Blech. And I don't mean in THAT way, so stow it.)</p>

  • May 8, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    That's the most thought or time I've spent thinking

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>about those films, so I'm stopping here. Anyone who intellectualizes these films to justify liking them needs to wipe their delicate backsides with their diplomas and relax.</p> <p>It's like a book I saw this guy reading on the subway on the way home tonight. I swear, this is a real book. The Tao of Hogwarts: Transformative Themes and Practices from the World of Harry Potter.</p>

  • May 8, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    The problems with trilogies...

    by alienindisguise

    is that they jack expectations WAY too high and then mostly fall flat. Seems like the mantra is "let's throw a whole bunch of shit on the screen to keep everyone feeling like they're getting their moneys worth," when in fact there is nothing there to start with. Most of the time, it's the 2nd film in a trilogy that's the best anyway. Screw 3's

  • May 8, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Speaking of trilogies....

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    LETS KICK ASS PIRATES 3! TAKE BACK THAT WEEKEND RECORD!! Seriously, Spider-man 3 was a piece of shit. Dancing fuckin clown shoes.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Saw was like most trilogies, born out of the

    by Bronx Cheer

    success of a stand-alone film. Aside from that, Saw was terrible! The greatest trilogy ever made was the Three Colors trilogy by Kieślowski. My god what an achievement.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    wadi77

    by PirateEmery

    Yeah, I know... Being slightly sarcastic/pissed off that you get to see it earlier than most.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Wnanahara7

    by PirateEmery

    Actually, I have absolutely NO IDEA where that information came up. I don't think its in At World's End, because it is just too late to be adding backstory information. I think it was released in a previous book or in a film commentary? Not quite sure...<p> *walks carefully away from the side of the ship*

  • May 8, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Box Office Records?

    by PirateEmery

    As Spidey3Sucked said up above, the Talkbackers need to go out in force and see this movie as many times as they can over opening weekend. Do YOUR part, to take the Box Office Records away from Peter's Revenge Tango 3. Actually, that's quite a bitchin' title. "Peter's Revenge Tango 3"... has a nice ring to it.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    We also need to make the latest Die Hard film a pirate

    by Bronx Cheer

    film by lobbying for an Arrrrrrr rating.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    PirateEmery

    by wadi77

    And it's not like special screening/premier or something, but it's the actual release date.<p> I wonder why the Americans always get to see their own movies late. <p> I mean, I saw SPIDER-MAN 3 on midnight of April 30th, and I will get to see TRANSFORMERS on midnight of June 27th.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but do we get to see the DOG WITH THE KEY again?!

    by Triumph poops!

    All I can say is there better be some character resolution for the one true icon of Pirates of the Caribbean!<p>Then again Mori referred to there being something after the end credits roll, so maybe that's the final fade out joke and last image we see -- something like the dog finally gets "home" and the last thing we'll see is him dropping the key out of his mouth and curling up, finally able to get some rest...

  • May 8, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Dog with the Key

    by PirateEmery

    The dog appears at the Shipwreck meeting spot of all the Pirate Lords: he/she's still a pertinent character, it would appear.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Wow, you are so off base March...

    by idahomer

    ...I don't know where to begin. Guess for starters I'll pull out the age card. Everyone here who saw Godfather, Future, Alien, Ark, Star Wars, Lethal Weapon, Die Hard and Superman trilogies IN A THEATER raise their hand!<p> Thought so. Who you think is the main character rarely is. It's the Fredos, Biffs, little girls, nazis, R2D2, Pescsi, Lois Lanes characters that hold them together. It's about the main character secondly. No one wants to see three movies that deal with the main character. We want movies that deal with the main character REACTING to other characters. Thats FILMMAKING 101.<p> Spiderman 3 did an excellent job at this. The Harry Potter movies MAY do this (judging from the trailer), Godfather lost its focus and Aliens3 was a mess. But to say that Jack is one-dimensional? Can I get some of what you are smoking?<p> Any casual watcher can see Bean Pole is the character that holds the glue, and it's how she reacts to the three men that makes the story. You may not like it, but I do.<p> And I'm so tired of this attitude of people like you. The "Oh I know art/film/society and what you think is shit." Tell you what, go watch French Connection, Dirty Harry and Straw Dogs and tell me what the three heroes have in common, how they would have reacted if placed in the other films, and what the villians would have done differently if they had known the heroes in a previous life.<p> Sorry, I have decided that 1971 was the greatest film year ever, so anytime I can mention films done during that year I will.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST

    It's funny!

    by the darkman

    you like what you like, and you can argue about this all day, but the fact remains it's all in what you like as a movie goer. I've been around movies my whole life, and I loved the first two pirate movies, if you don't like them, then that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I still believe the 3rd will kick ass!

  • May 9, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    WTF

    by sandeadmarsh

    I have been an avid visitor of this site for a long time and read through a shit load of crap posted by some of you "movie buffs". I guess this is a good time as any to do my first post. I don't understand why so many of you choose to take pot-shots at POCT 2. We all have the right to our own opinion but come on. None of the Pirate movies are supposed to be The Good Shepherd or Schindler's List or The Color Purple. Those are serious intense movies that are meant to stimulate us mentally and they did a very good job of it. Pirates is supposed to be a little serious but alot of fun at the same time. I went in to watch POTC 1 with no expectations and guess what it was a fricken awesome movie. I went in with a little higher expectation to see POTC 2 and guess what folks it was a great movie. I don't expect any less in POTC 3. You morons who think you know something about movies, don't bother responding with BS like this movie didn't do this. This movie didn't do that. Eat shit! I've enjoyed watching both movies so far and you know what, I already have tickets to see POTC 3 on Thursday at 8PM. Everybody go enjoy the movie and stop all your bitching. BTW, the new Die Hard movie should be R. Whoever is saying it should be PG-13 needs to have their head examined! This isn't supposed to be a kids movie! It's Die Hard 4! Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker. Nuff said...

  • May 9, 2007, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Part 2 turned me off completely.

    by Barry Egan

    I thought it was dull and talky and uninteresting. ILM did marvelous work with Davy Jones though. I had no interest in seeing Part 3 until I got a mailer from Disney. They are decorating the interior of the El Capitan with props and sets from the film. It looks cool and I may actually go see it there.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Spiderman3 Vs. POTC3

    by yodalovesyou

    As a regular visitor to this site, I'm always reading the hatred and bile that comes from the posters on these forums and laughing at how upset they get over movies. As much as I'd like to go on a rant about how I'd rather watch 3 Hours of Captain Jack's capering than sit through another Tobey Maguire whine-fest, I just don't think it's worth it

  • May 9, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Calypso will be shown as a giant space cloud.

    by CreasyBear

    At least, that's what I'm hoping for.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:12 a.m. CST

    idahomer, while I dig your enthusiasm, you can't fault

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>people for when they were born! Like you, I've seen all of those films in the theater, but that's not necessarily a bragging point. Considering the lousy condition of many theaters back then, and throughout the 70s, and when you take into account the high quality of the systems many people have in their homes now, and the access to dazzling transfers on DVD of many classic films, I'd be willing to argue that there might be a guy in Butte, MT having a better theatrical experience watching The Godfather than I had.</p> <p>And if you're going to take characters from classic movies and drop them into other films to see how they behave, can we get some interesting pairings? I'd like to see Dirty Harry in "Mrs. Doubtfire," Wolverine in "Lost in Translation," and how about Robocop in "Kindergarten Cop?"</p>

  • May 9, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST

    oh, and you slam yourself in your last argument

    by Bronx Cheer

    "And I'm so tired of this attitude of people like you. The 'Oh I know art/film/society and what you think is shit.'" Pot, meet kettle.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    sandeadmarsh

    by ProfGriffin

    Excellent. Well said. Welcome to the snake pit.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by PirateEmery

    The deleted Pirates 2 line is actually, "Pot. Kettle. Black."<p> But that was close enough... hahahaha

  • May 9, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Will's conflict

    by ProfGriffin

    Just wanted to say that poor ol' Will Turner is not a blacksmith who hates pirates... He's the SON of a Pirate, who is fighting his natural impulses. He believed his father was a merchant sailor and even attempted to find him when his ship was attacked by the Black Pearl (under the command of the cursed Barbossa). Will's intense hatred of Pirates was flung in his face time and time again in the first film...and in the second film, he came literally face to face with the price his father paid. His vow and his quest is not 'fighting to not be a pirate' it's fighting to release his father and himself. NOT to abandon his father...to save him from the life he chose. Oh, and he's in love with Elizabeth too.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Elizabeth

    by ProfGriffin

    AND I'm pretty sure that since the first film began with young Elizabeth singing about Pirates, it will end with Elizabeth AS a Pirate herself... She's got all the makings of a great Pirate. Cutthroat Island anyone? LOL. They could make an entire movie about Barbossa and Ragetti and Pintel and I would see it. I think Jack is wonderful...but I truly enjoy the other colorful characters as well...they flesh out this world and are just fun to watch. It's a PERFECT summer movie. Nothing more.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Barbossa

    by PirateEmery

    Yep, I'd see a Barbossa spin-off. And I think I'd love it too.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Buttheads.

    by henrydalton

    Ach, why the Back To The Future bashing? It's my personal favourite trilogy of all time and certainly one of the greatest blockbuster trilogies of all time. And Part 2 is one of the cleverest and most underrated sequels ever. Anyways, I don't think PTOC is in the same league as that, but I'll be interested to see what happens with 3. With all that was going on in 2, it could go down the BTTF route of tying it all up and being generally amazing, or it could go down the Matrix route of just decending further into bloated incoherence...

  • May 9, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I still love BTTF:2

    by Frijole

    Just not as much as 1 and 3. It is great to look at and IS very clever and has some hilarious moments. I just think 1 and 3 are better paced and have more great character moments and heart than great plot and visual moments like 2.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    cant wait

    by movie-fan-carnie

    this looks awsome,its good to see films that are jst plain fun and dont try to be anything other than that,johnny depp was on bbc radio 1 today and apparently this is the last movie even tho the net is ripe with rumours of a 4th. let sleeping dogs lie and stick to the trilogy its inpart what makes the series good!

  • May 9, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Yeah DMC kind sucked but

    by disfigurehead

    it did make mad bank and that it the important thing.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    goddamit what about Zimmer's score

    by oscarmike

    I heard he fixed a lot of the problems with the past ones like the repetitive nature and the annoying synths. really looking forward to the score, hope Scorekeeper does something on it

  • May 9, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Female pirates...

    by idahomer

    Anne Bonny and Mary Read pretended to be men and eventually became women pirates that hung with Calico Jack. A pretty interesting story.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Bronx...

    by idahomer

    Lousy conditions? Maybe where you were. We had huge theaters where a curtain actually opened before the movie started ;-)<p> And I posted at midnight after drinking scotch. I should never do that.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    idahomer, I miss the curtains. Bring back the curtains!

    by Bronx Cheer

    I loved it when the curtains would open for the trailers, and then close, and immediately open again for the feature. THOSE were the days. Cheers, idahomer. It's almost midnight in NYC. Time to knock one back!

  • May 9, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I've been waiting for them to reveal that Will is femme

    by Bronx Cheer

    because he's too pretty to be un homme

  • May 11, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man vs. Pirates - worst reviews

    by Err

    Pirates 1: ""Despite an appealing Johnny Depp, Pirates of the Caribbean is no thrill ride." - L.A. Times (C-)<br><br> "It could have been worse, but that's no excuse." - Rolling Stone (C) <br><br> Spider-Man 1: "It's that rare cartoon movie in which the villain is less involving than the love story." - L.A. Times (B-)<br><br> "...the film turns to action sequences that zip along like perfunctory cartoons." - Roger Ebert (B-) Pirates 2: "...an amalgam of many of the modern cinema's worst tendencies and modern filmmaking's most unfortunate misconceptions." - San Francisco Chronicle (D)<br><br> "...a hellish contraption..." - Entertainment Weekly. (D) <br><br> Spider-Man 2: "...essentially three movies rolled into one: a traditional superhero story, a coming-of-age tale, and a romance." - ReelViews (B)<br><br> "...feels like a remake of the first one..." - Hollywood Reporter (B-) <br><br>----------------<br><br> Seems like Spider-Man has better box office, better critical reception, better "average movie goer" ratings. Pirates 3 vs. Spidey 3 will be interesting. But right now, I'd take Spider-Man's 1 and 2 over POTC 1 and 2 anyday.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Hrm.

    by FuzzyWhisper

    Looking forward to this film. <br /> Should be great.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    testing

    by FuzzyWhisper

    testing <BR> testing

  • May 11, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Bah, one more.

    by FuzzyWhisper

    testing <BR> <BR>

  • May 12, 2007, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Cooled Down Now...

    by sandeadmarsh

    LOL I just read through my post above and was like holy shit! I can't believe I said some of those things..but I admit it..I'm a geek like most of you and I like intelligent conversation..and was tired of reading BS..I come to this site for the great reviews and breaking news...I wasn't trying to say all of you aren't intelligent because you probably are but when reading some of the post above...it wasn't very obvious! lol..Can't wait for POTC3,Harry Potter, and Transformers..I'm going to spend the first part of the year in the movie theater! sweet...later all

  • May 14, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    POTC has the makings of a great trilogy

    by minderbinder

    I definitely agree that 2 could pe trimmed down a bit, but the flaws are reliatively minor and completely outweighed by the strengths of the movie. And based on what I've seen from the writers, I have faith that they'll be able to pay off the seeds they planted in the second one. Trilogies are very hard to pull off, and LOTR is the only mainstream one I can think of that didn't have major flaws in at least one of the movies (and Two Towers is my favorite). Even if DMC wasn't as good as the first, it's still a way better installment than Jedi, Indy 2 or 3, BTTF 2 or 3. I haven't seen Spidey 3 yet, but I'm not getting my hopes up, and I'd even argue that DMC was better than the fairly weak first Spidey movie. Hell, depending on how bad spidey 3 is, the Xmen "trilogy" may be better than the first three spideys. There are still a few Matrix 2/3 comparisons, but they mostly went away after DMC was released - this thing may not beat the new Spidey opening record, but I'd be shocked it if doesn't steamroll it with overall domestic gross.

  • May 14, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    amazing

    by whiteknucklesamuri

    Let's hope the finished product is just as good as it sounds. I am really excited to see it and how thing's are wrapped up.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Still stuck with the first

    by Sprinky

    I only saw the first one and i was mildly entertained. I didn't see the second and i won't go to see the third. Me thinks Johnny Depp is an incredible actor but is totally wasted in this trilogy..

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