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VERONICA MARS Might
Return With A Title Change??
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TV Guide's Michael Ausiello says the Clarice Starling version of "Veronica Mars" - the one that would be set years in the future at the FBI academy in Quantico, Va. - is garnering more interest over at The CW. The show would strip off all of Veronica's supporting cast and perhaps even assume a new title. "FBI Girl"? "Veronica Fed"?
“Mars” mastermind Rob Thomas pitched the FBI fourth season to the network last Wednesday, along with a proposal for Veronica's sophomore year at Hearst College (which obviously would not leap years ahead).
Another season of "Mars" is not yet a lock. The CW announces its fall schedule one week from Thursday. Read all of Ausiello's report here.
Tonight’s installment is titled “Debasement Tapes.” The CW says:
Piz (Chris Lowell) is put in charge of escorting his idol, Desmond Fellows (guest star Paul Rudd, "Anchorman"), a singer/musician from a 1990's pop band who arrives on the Hearst campus to perform at a benefit concert for the radio station. When tapes of Fellow's back-up vocals and tracks go missing, Piz recruits Veronica (Kristen Bell) to help locate them. Keith (Enrico Colantoni) believes he will be running unopposed in the race for Sheriff, until an unlikely candidate throws his hat into the ring.
Who opposes Keith Mars in the sheriff’s race? Clarence Widman? Leo D’Amato? Vinnie Van Lowe? Dick Casablancas? Mallory Dent?
And which ‘90s pop star will Paul Rudd most resemble? Kurt Cobain? Billy Corgan? Adam Durwitz? Nick Lachey?
None of the above. Desmond Fellows is said to be a Brit, so I guess that means Liam Gallagher maybe?
After tonight, only three hours from season three remain.
9 p.m. Tuesday. The CW.
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paul rudd in wet hot = comedy gold
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prepare for some shit English accent.
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Give me a ballpark idea. How much of a chance do we have for VM 4? I'm about 70/30 for.
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Liam Gallagher? Let's hope it's a bad Jarvis Cocker imitation. Give Piz at least *some* hipster cred.
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Is my guess to run against Keith.
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...nude and aroused.
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and we get more VM next season. Fingers crossed.
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Sacks, the bar owner, or the deputy Keith fired. Possibly Deputy Leo?
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It's not coming back. It's not. It's a goner. I refuse to even retain the slimmest of hopes at this point. There's simply no evidence to suggest that the CW has any intention of even considering the FBI fast-forward. It's done, I'll miss it terribly, but it's done.
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when they do cancel VM (which I hope they don't) that they place some shitty reality tv show in its place... perhaps america's next pop princess' jail term? No? Howabout The next Spice Grrrrrl? I wish that tv execs would stop placing these reality shows in place of decent (if not always great) TV shows... it is a sad state, the next thing you know is that gas prices will soar to above 3.00 bucks a gallon
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Please don't call it FBI girl. Worst title ever.
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With Veronica and I'm sure some sexy new love interest. As her partner. it will be like Bones only way better written.
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Tiny Venus, FBI. Suzie Saturn, Federal Agent. Erika Merkury, Government Cop. Agent JJ Jupiter. Special Agent Betty Pluto. (Go on, make up your own Uranus joke.)
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IF the FBI time jump thingy went ahead, when would the show return? September/October seems incredibly risky because wouldn't it effectively give them zero time to properly conceptualize what would to all intents and purposes be a new star vehicle for Kristen Bell? I'm not saying the production team aren't talented but it sounds like a bit of a recipe for disaster. Unless Rob Thomas just happens to have the outline to a novel or something just lying around in a desk draw somewhere precisely for such an occasion, it sounds like they'll be flying by the seat of their pants.
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The FBI seeds were planted with the Landry recommendation V got and then was referenced in last weeks episode. I think that while working on a struggling drama, Rob and Co. have probably been devising a strategy to take the show in a new direction.
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What I meant was that the show has been making reference to a post college FBI career. Also Rob and Co probably already have VMars FBI plotted out since they did film a presentation for the networks didn't they? Anyhow, I hope the show sticks around. One more thing, I saw Piz on the Grey's Anatomy spinoff. Dude is in shape but has huge nipples.
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Have to find another name. But here's a great idea for the first episode: after a hard day at Quantico, Veronica has to rush home to pick up her 2-year-old from day care.
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That would be funny! And Logan is the father!
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Just cancel this once awesome show and be done. I dont want a fast forward. I want a better written season 4. Get back to the roots of what made the show great. One season long mystery. V's friends actually IN THE FUCKING EPISODES! Those 2 things would bring me back. V in FBI will not.
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that got canned after only a few eps had the Clarice Starling thing going and wasn't all that bad as I recall.
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Have De Palma direct the pilot, with Gary Sinise as Veronica Mars.
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I'm not getting sucked into thinking there's a chance for this. Would I love it? Yeah, keep Veronica and Keith, and lose everybody else, maybe have her jot an email to Wallace occasionally. But it's not going to happen. It's not, dammit.
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Then that would be an almost entirely different SHOW!!! I wasn't born yesterday. I love Kristen Bell and all the writers, but losing all the supporting cast would be chopping off a leg. Still, I'd take it over no Veronica, so I guess it's no time to be bitching.
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The CW is looking for something that will get more adult viewers. So they kinda reboot VM into this FBI thing so new people can watch and not have to know anything about veronica Mars to enjoy it. Its a great Idea Rob Thomas can pull it off. Plus i'm tired of College and High School I want more adult stories my self.
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Veronica single-handedly invades the Earth with a deadly combination of irresistible weapons and a cruel sense of humour.
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Plus this has a build in audience already plus they can market it as a new show and get more viewers.
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In a blatant nod to season five of Buffy, Veronica's hitherto unheard-of younger sister shows up - and she can see through the eyes of a serial killer as he commits his crimes!
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<p>...but they've had fuck-all to do for a couple of seasons. They should have brutally murdered Logan for this year's mystery; he's a painful shadow of his former self. Even the actor senses this, mumbling his lines like a bad Brando impersonator. I swear I have to turn the volume up whenever he says anything. So yeah, get rid of the lot of 'em, save Keith and maybe Mac.</p><p>We now return you to your scheduled Veronica Mars fourth season title puns.</p>
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That could work.
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<p>In a bizaare scheduling mixup, the American Civil War veteran is mysteriously transported to Neptune, California, where he must help the annoying blond one to figh...oh you can fill in the rest yourself.</p><p>Oh, and Harry fucks it up and the show is cancelled in pre-production.</p>
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Best thing I have heard for a title all day.
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I suppose this means that the theme song is probably going to change "again".
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FBI Director Gordon Cole calls in Agent Veronica Mars to find out what happened to Special Agents Chet Desmond and Dale Cooper. Special cameo appearance in the first episode by Keifer Sutherland as Sam.
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I remember the big reveal for Veronica's season 1 mystery wasn't that exciting to me because it reminded me too much of the Twin Peaks reveal. I've often thought that the show could use a more personal season or half-season mystery for Veronica like Lily's murder; that was such an involving catalyst for this season. The two mini-mystery arcs weren't that interesting this season; I wish they'd go back to season-long mysteries but I doubt that'll happen, if it even gets picked up at all. But anyway back to TP: I've often thought that Twin Peaks could have an expansive universe of spinoffs, but I'm sure Lynch would refuse. While at the time they were talking about doing a series of movies, I sensed that Lynch deliberately made that movie as noncommercial as possible so that no one would ever touch it. I'm one of the fans who appreciated the film, albeit with reservations. Yup.
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...that renewal chances are good.<p> I'm looking forward to the FBI storyline, especially if it manages to bring in more viewers and the show a bit more money.
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So a cancellation is going to be all the more crushing if it happens. And I also am a huge, huge fan of Fire Walk With Me. Bring on Ray Wise as the FBI director for season 4.
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the original name of Criminal Minds.<P>I still haven't got used to the FBI fast forward. I'm gonna miss Wallace and Mac!!<P>If only this show had become a hit, we'd be getting an awesome sophomore year season with one big arc and possibly a few mini arcs. If only!<P>Will this be The Inside v2?
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I love VM and I fully support some sort of future jump. Right now I would mind them dumping the whole supporting cast. But the dynamic between Keith and Veronica is one of the best things about the show. I would really miss Enrico.
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Fast forward five years - Veronica and Rory work together so closely that they both discover the best way to celebrate solving a mystery is through hardcore lesbian action.
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Is it possible that the contracts with the other acrots are the reason CW would consider a name change for the FBI series???
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why are they making that new show Hidden Palms, that looks like a teeny bopper sci-fi sit-com
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Without Keith Mars, there IS no Veronica. Jesus, he's the only one of the support cast actually still IN the show as it is. Still not getting my hopes up. The CW can lick my nuts either way.
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as long as this show, the best damn show on television comes back next year, I'm game. And David Lazarus Long is right - Keith and Veronica's interactions are what make the show. Their bond is the glue that holds the show together. If nothing else (and as much as I'll miss Mac), they *MUST* bring Enrico Colantoni into this proposed new incarnation of the series.
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I enjoy watching Veronica Mars, Supernatural, and Smallville? Anybody know if Supernatural has been renewed or not? <p> If the show becomes Agent Mars, FBI, I don't know if I'll be able to bare watching it... <p> I just had a funny random silly thought ... Are there any Agents in the FBI with the last name Orange? dumb, I know, too much caffeine for me...
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I mailed my letter to Dawn Ostroff, head honcho at The CW. Renew "Veronica Mars", Miss Ostroff!
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or at least Kristen Bell does MrTwig48.
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No Keith? No Logan? No Wallace? No Mac? No Wevil? Are they dead set to ruin or kill this show? They've fucked with it from the start, nevermind that it had a following just fine when it started on their lemon/lime themed network of crap. I dread that they'll ruin this show like I hear they ruined Gilmore Girls. No wonder they haven't meddled with Smallville, it was the only show dumb enough to satisfy them as it was.
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Did we see who Keith's competition is?
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In a bizzare twist, Veroncia's new mentor at Quantico is the late Sheriff Lamb's older brother who is a criminologist genius and was rendered a deaf-mute after a run-in with a lector-ish escaped serial killer. The new mentor is the main character of the new series leading a team of misfit FBI wannabes including V. The new title? "Lamb of the Silence" (cause he's a MUTE, get it? HA!) It'll be like Criminal Minds or NCIS for teens and twenty-somethings. Can't Miss, I tells ya! Oh, did I mention its a comedy?
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LMAO. :D
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For all who seem tobe against the show, where exactly did it lose its greatness?
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Took me a minute to place the song. From the Cotton Mather "Kon Tiki" album from 1997. Sounded familiar. Very Beatles-ish. Especially the full band version.
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Sylar, we need to talk; can you go out west and do a little brain surgery? ;)
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Would be a better name. First off this is not CBS, this would be a huge mistake. The supporting characters are what makes this show, and the misuse of the supporting cast is what has weaked this season so much.
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Desperate Housewife Detective, married to John Goodman, and she's psychic too.
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Could work? Special guest star Kirstie Alley.
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I'm not into the whole FBI boot. It makes more sense that Veronica takes over Mars Investigation. The season arc could be a hit on Keith, leaving him in a coma. Regular bills and hospital bills need to be paid, Veronica takes up her part time hobby - full time. This also marks the first time she is totally alone; no support or guidance from her dad. Remember how emotionally crippled she was when she thought he died in the plane explosion? This would be a very defining year for little Miss Mars. I could also see her needing Mac and Wallace's help for various cases and for the main story. Who tried to kill Keith Mars???
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I have only watched this show once, but I enjoyed it. It must have been the teen angst angle. That girl playing VM is a cutey in her blonde cross-eyed sort of way. ***** Harry number all these comments for easy referencing by us posters.
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So...they're getting rid of the supporting cast and changing the title? Why don't they just CALL her "Clarice" Mars? Too bad the reason everyone watches the show, namely fangirl favorite Logan Echolls/Jason Dohring, will be gone from this great concept. I really wish they had cancelled it after the first few episodes of S2. Sheesh. Talk about beating a dead horse.
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I really think Veronica Mars could work as an FBI procedural. One thing that it would do is bring back the season long mystery since it's a lot easier for an FBI agent to become involved in major murder mysteries that than it is for a high-school/ college student. The mysteries would also likely be more dramatic/ high-stakes. Keith Mars would likely be in many episodes, and it would be fun to see him as sheriff getting into arguments over jurisdiction with his daughter. And it would be compelling television if the big mystery of a later season is his murder.
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they did an episode (or two-parter) where Veronica goes undercover in a high school. Hell, that could be the series premiere.
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I see no reason she can't be the FBI's computer girl, or at the very least Veronica's room-mate.
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So sad. This comes right as the show hits a creative peak because it's been focused on the characters and not the mystery arc.
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but I still loved it...
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. . . to make tonight's episode all about Hal Fischman talking about a fire?
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maybe not quite a golden god, or a rock god, but he's definitely a deity of some sort. when paul rudd strikes, hilarity ensues.
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3 + hours of breaking news regarding this brush fire took the time slot instead. I'll see it eventually though.
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Just one of those shows where I hear a lot mof good stuff about, but I just don't have the time or availability to catch. Maybe I'll check out a season dvd some time.
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Thank you! I'm totally bent about that too. Channel 13 didn't cut away from the frakking Hooters girl bikini-fest (and why they didn't choose the Venezuelan hottie is beyond me). The local affiliate just isn't showing VM any love.
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could be the end of Spiderman.
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http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0279873/
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nuff said
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...and call it "Mars Needs Women"!
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... UPN has totally infected this chimera called the CW... purging what little good there was in the mix from the WB. The entire network, right down to their friggin' color scheme, is a steaming, corn kernel-flecked, semi-liquid, puss-swirled mound of slowly putrefying, vermin-infested SHITE! Please just let it slowly dissolve into a white, ashy pile and blow away!
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Warner Brothers is splitting from the CW and reforming the WB
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YOU SNEAKY BASTARD! An "ass" to this community. :-)
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I like the fact that dad isn't irrelevant and bumbling. You don't see it on other shows and it's one of VM's strengths. The show appears to be about a teen sleuth and her lawman dad but it's really about trust.
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if you want great ratings, move it to Cinemax, make Veronica Mars go undercover investigating a series of strip club burglaries, and have her decide the only way to solve the crime is to go down on the prime suspect ... some stripper played by guest starring Michelle Trachtenberg. Guaranteed ratings bonanza. As for the FBI idea, it's pretty good actually. You could unload all of the "co-stars" from this season (other than her dad and Vinnie Van Lowe) and I wouldn't care at all ... too many "bit players" and none of them very interesting.
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I thought there was an FBI show called Fearless in the works. The premise was a female agent without fear due to some neurological damage. <p> This sounds like a retread/combo.
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(May 9) - AP - CW is proud to announce that a retitled Veronica Mars will return to the CW fall line-up. In a cross promotion, wrestler Val Venis from Friday's top-rated WWE Smackdown will join the series that moves the story five years into the future. Venis will play an eccentric FBI agent who becomes Veronica's mentor as she enters her last year in Quantico. The new series will be retitled, you guessed it, "Val and Veronica". "We tried every other combination of names, but none of the others were memorable", said producer Rob Thomas.
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and have an all female cast where veronica punishes bad, bad girls by forcing them to have sex with her in her basement.
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Have Kristen Bell join Galactica (as Starbuck's long lost sister who just happens to be in the fleet?)
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This is how you do it: Veronica, a brand-new FBI agent, returns to Neptune to solve a big case. Keith is the sheriff who's also on the case, and father and daughter, though reunited, are at odds over this case. Mac works for Kane Software, and the FBI contracts out Veronica's computer needs to Kane Software, since it doesn't have an office in Neptune. Logan is around, and he could be tied to the big mystery. Mr. Thomas, please feel free to use this setup and PayPal me via my email address. Thank you.
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The show got pre-empted last night by coverage of the Griffith Park fires. Anybody know if/when it will re-air?
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"Veronica should not be cancelled." by Ellipsian May 2nd, 2007 12:36:40 PM That we know. But should The CW require some kind of change, they should forward the series to V's FBI years, write in as much of the cast as possible, and (naturally) keep Rob Thomas in charge. Most importantly, they should alter the look/name of the show, in order to attract new viewers and make it seem new to lure in the closed-minded morons who won't watch now. Win-win-win. That's what she said.
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at least since mid-march michael ausiello's been reporting about the possible new format that rob thomas proposed to the network. http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Update-Mars-Cast/800010961
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at least since mid-march michael ausiello's been reporting about the possible new format that rob thomas proposed to the network. http://tinyurl.com/2zy3aq
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But the discriminating and detail-oriented reader will notice that my post references the critical difference--an alteration of the name of the show, which to my eyes at least, has been heretofore unmentioned or suggested.
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Next to VM, he's the only indispensable character.<br><br>The fact that the Pussywhatever slut ensemble show outdrew VM, and there are actually people who take up the non-entity Paris Hilton as a cause just shows what a sad state this society is in.
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<p>...I'm really not looking forward to the FBI thing. The charm of the show is largely based in how Veronica bends rules to do good. If she bends rules as an FBI agent, then I stop rooting for her. If she doesn't, then it'll be too boring and serious. Just like her Dad is more fun as a P.I. than as a sheriff (hence the fake ID lesson of the week).</p> <p>Of the supporting chars to keep, Dad and Dick. The rest can be dismissed. The supporting cast hasn't been worth much since season 1. I say, do a prequel season. Lilly and Veronica together again, as it should be. Think of having Lilly, S1 Logan an S1 Weevil back on the screen. It's the characters that are now lacking, not the venue. That's where the reboot should come from.</p>
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