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Countdown!! Only 52 More Episodes Of LOST!! 16 Episodes Per Season!! Show To End in 2010!!
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Long story short:
* “Lost” will run three more seasons after the one that concludes this month.
* Each of the final three seasons will only contain 16 episodes, instead of the 23 or 24 produced for the first three seasons.
* The 16-episode seasons will run without repeats.
Read the full report in Monday morning’s Variety here.
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HOLY FUCK!
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Yes! Finally!
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Now this is milking it... 2 24 seasons abc.. Shit this sucks.
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suckas, indeed
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HOLY SHIT! That's total insanity! Are they retarded? I mean, I know there have been a couple of filler eps during the shows tenure, but for the most part it's been so fucking awesome lately, why would they want to cut it down by so many??? I even enjoyed the first six episodes that they showed earlier this season. I mean, this is ABC, not fucking HBO.
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finally caught on to just how stupid a long hiatus is. Who came up with that to begin with? You're trying to build up nice a pace with the story, then bring it to a complete halt half way through. How could that NOT lose your audience? And yet these brain trusts get paid big, big money to ruin good shows.
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British TV has produced some great shows. Their season? 12 episodes for dramas, 6 for comedies. Do you yearn for more? Sure, but this means there will be more quality writing. The producers themselves said it was hard to fill out the time, and we could clearly see the cracks this season. This means no more crappy Tales From the Crypt waste of time episodes. Good for them.
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What will abc do when the ratings drop even more?
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goes the BBC route with limited episode seasons. Never thought i'd see the day.
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May 07, 2007 12:43:06 AM CDT
So we're getting 2 seasons worth of eps over 3 years
by dapper swindler
Not so good news. But what're you gonna do?
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50 more years of Lost with one bumper episode each year. You won't believe the shocking revelation in 2024...
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What the fuck is this shit? 16 episodes?! That is 16 characters per season to focus on. 8 characters if you want to do two flashbacks per character.
I sure hope that we don't have any more Jack-backs lined up. I would hate to have any of my precious Lost time wasted on that idiot. -
"What will abc do when the ratings drop even more?"
8 Five minute "webisodes"- 4 minutes of which are flashbacks with Jack wearing a bad wig. -
Right on the money. Baaaad Jack flashbacks haunt this show.
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Not to pleased simply because we have to wait a another full year for the finale. Id rather they did 2 extended years without the breaks. But as a few of you mentioned- shorter seasons as the BBC use leads to less filler. Overall these last three seasons should really kick some major ass. Hopefully less flashbacks. Theyve already finished the Locke and Sawyer back stories. No need to really revisit those areas. I'm bored senseless with Kate and Hurley's backstories. Jin and Sun seem to be wrapped as well. Maybe next season will be flashback free.
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Also Kate, Charlie, Sayid and Ben die. Jack is Jacob. They were brainwashed DARHMA members.
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That is TERRIBLE news. They need to just do a 32 episode Fall '07-May '09 run and call this goose cooked.
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May 07, 2007 12:52:45 AM CDT
Herc probably didn't know til i posted in heroes thread
by frodofraggins
Anyway, they probably did it for 2 reasons. 1) Is that the Damon and Co. want more time to flesh out the final 48 episodes. 2) ABC makes a killing on DVD's and can probably charge the same for 16 episode seasons as 24 episode seasons. thus gaining an extra season of sales. But they will be lose $$ on advertising if the ratings keep slipping. All I care is that they don't pull a SciFi channel and screw lost fans like SciFi screwed Farscape fans. For those that don't know SciFi gave a go for seasons 4 and 5 of Farscape but cancelled season 5.
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WE ARE NOT BRITISH, YOU IGNORANT FUCKS! Seriously, the 24 model barely works, because look at the ratings of 24. HEROES got almost a 4 month jump on it, became a phenomenon, and took away a lot of 24 audience. 16 episodes a year damn near guarantees that people are going to give up on this show, wait for the DVDs, and cause a GAPING HOLE in the ABC schedule. This is the death of LOST. Yippe. Fuck the BRITISH model.
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Lindelof doesn't have to squeeze out 24 loaves every season. The viewers hopefully get less filling and more meat. ABC gets an extra year to sell.If they can mostly sustain the level of goodness of the past few weeks, I wouldn't have any complaints.
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So in most every Lost talkback, you guys are bemoaning the fact that we have to put up with so many filler episodes and plotlines that seem made up on the fly... but now that they've set an END DATE for the show and trimmed each season down to only the essentials, you're calling Bullshit? WTF? This is FANTASTIC news.
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It also makes me giggle at the fact that Tim Kring and Co. can produce HEROES with 22 episodes a year. Yet, Damon, needs 8 less episodes to sort shit out? Really? Really? Again, LOST, is completely fucking screwed. Like People want to wait a year for 16 episodes that are over by fucking March. Wow. What a great investment of my time because Damon and Carlton cant work this shit out.
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...not so much. What a blatantly obnoxious, thinly veiled excuse to sell a sixth boxset. I just hope the ratings don't fall apart thus cancelling the show before they reach that sixth season, because for network television 36 weeks of hiatus is a LONG time to hold the average viewer's interest.
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in January? B/c they are running 16 straight new episodes for the next three years there will be a hiatus from May to January? That will utterly suck.
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It's interesting that you think this was "Damon"'s call. The executive producers have been saying that they wanted the series to end after 5 seasons for months now. It's not as if ABC cancelled the show and they need time to "figure out" how the story ends. ABC just wants to be able to sell an extra season boxset on DVD by only having to produce 2 more episodes. Or maybe you believe otherwise. Also, ABC produced 23+ episodes of "Lost" a year for 3 seasons, just like "Tim Kring and Co.". When "Heroes" is in its fourth season, come back and tell us all about how the masterful Tim Kring consistently produces 22 straight episodes of all killer and no filler.
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May 07, 2007 1:21:05 AM CDT
Zeppelin Aircraft is the last thing you see this season
by stanthecritic
They are attacked by penny and co.
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i think so.
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I smell DVD money-grabbing and laziness. Yes, laziness. Sure it's tough to film on location in Hawaii, BUT YOU PICKED THE SHOW UP and should deal with it. I loved the show the first 3 seasons, but this announcement make me want the series to tank next year and thus cut it short along with their profits. Piss off, you short-sighted and arrogant network execs, you need to go back to the 60's & 70's to see how it's done. Of course, that would take you away from your Xbox 360 and therapy time. This is how great ideas and creativity get ruined, folks. Take notes and remember it if you ever come up with a great synopsis for a show.
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This is no different than any show that has ever run on HBO, or FX, or Showtime, etc. Hell, compared to cable, 16 episodes is downright generous.
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Is this really the best posible alternative? I like "straight through seasons" with no hiatus or reruns. But if they start in January the show is done before the May sweeps period. Does this mean no more clip show/recap episodes ever? What number are they up to now? Everyone seemed to think that doing 108 episodes ws a natural, logical plan for this series but it sounds like they're going to overshoot that mark. Is the entire cast good with being contracted for three years and having eight months a year off for other projects? Or will they just kill characters and fire cast members off every time they want a raise or get a DUI? Will the show adapt by being more plot, more action, less filler. Because with conventional pacing we can accept an occasional Paulo and Nikki episode or a Jack's Tattoos water-tread. but if they;re doing BBC scheduling, we ned 16 "Man From Tallahassees" per year. Or 16 "Walkabouts". Will this be spread out over 16 weeks or will there be some two hour season debut/season finale "events". Questions, questions, flooding into the mind of the concerned viewer.
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w0w!
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Are you ABSOLUTELY sure? It would REALLY suck if there was filler in this method...
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So the show HASN'T been cancelled...
It's got a definite endpoint, a sufficient distance in the future for them to wrap everything up without it seeming rushed... It's not even got a reduced budget for the remaining seasons... ...and some of you fuckers have STILL found something to whine about. -
32 Eps would be better.
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You heard it hear first.
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he tells me to keep watching the show or else i will die in exactly 15 minutes.
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wong talkback!
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SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!!
I don't trust you in the least, StanTheCritic. -
he wants me to send lasagnas to the island.
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I've been lurking here for years, but I just now decided to sign up for an account. It may be the rage building inside of me, or the beer, but that doesn't really matter now....
I don't know the average age of the users of this site, but, being 28 years old and having watched a lot of television, it just seems to me that no one, and I mean NO ONE can be pleased with anything, ever.
I agree with the above poster. This is no different than HBO, FX, Showtime, etc. You have The Sopranos, Rescue Me, The Shield, Dexter, etc. The networks give these shows limited but effective runs. The arcs pretty much play out and everyone is more or less satisfied with the ending until next season.
For some reason on this site, LOST get's crucified. People are never satisfied. Every time I read the talkbacks I'm picturing the Comic Book Guy replying back from his mom's basement. This is one of the best shows on television and no matter what the producers try to do, people just constantly shit on it.
Attention all nerds!!!111LOLz EVERY TALKBACK IS THE SAME!!!!!!111eleventyone
1. LOST shows too many repeats.
(The producers try to please the fans by showing the series by premiering in January with no repeats, so they don't bitch, but...hey guess what...THEY BITCH THAT THE BREAK WAS TOO LONG)
2. LOST has too many filler episodes.
(They producers decide for an END DATE for the series to wrap up lose ends, and according to Ain't It Cool News, ALL THE COOL, AWESOME, OBSCURE, BRITISH SHOWS BOW OUT 10 EPISODES IN TO PRESERVE THEIR STREET CRED....... to satisfy fans, etc. so they decide to shorten the season and eliminate a lot of the filler episodes that aren't really needed for the overall story arc, again to satisfy the fans...but....THEY STILL FUCKING BITCH BECAUSE THE SEASON IS NOW 16 EPS. INSTEAD OF 24. OMFGZ....THERE IS A CONSPIRICYZ TO SELLL MORE BOXSETS OF THE DVDz....LOLz....OMGWFTBBQ....STFU you fucking losers...)
In closing, in my drunken haze, I would just like to tell you guys that since I've been alive, TV has never been better. In the past few years I've learned the wonders of modded Xbox with Xbox Media Center, Bit Torrent, DVR, season passes, HDTV, etc.... I've listened to everyone bitch, whine, moan and complain on this site for the past year about LOST and every single time that the producers actually do what you want, you still STILL find a reason to bitch and complain.
They set an end date. They're shortening the seasons to eliminate, hopefully, a lot of the filler episodes to apease you GOD DAMN FUCKING COMPLAINING BITCHING FANBOYS....and also apease the people that bitch about repeats, and also about too long between new episodes in between repeats..etc...you get the idea...
TV has never been better. You guys wouldn't be satisfied if LOST did 100 episodes straight, back to back, no repeats, flashbacks of the island, full nudity, every secret exposed (somebody would say it JUMPED THE SHARK, WHICH IS PLAYED OUT...)
I'll be here in 3 years listening to people bitch about the state of TV, remembering how awesome that LOST was, even though you did nothing but bitch about it the entire time instead of enjoying it, like I'm doing.
//Still bitter about The X-Files...
///Get off my lawn......
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So supposedly Cuse & Lindelof had it mapped out for 5 seasons and ABC wanted what, 7 originally? The first two seasons were like 48 episodes, so (in theory) now with three shorter seasons they're not going to have to stretch with filler crap, and we get new LOST for another 3 years? If the last few episodes are any indication, this sounds like good news to me.
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Wow, I can only image the state of collected dementia these people must be in to think this is even remotely a good idea. I know the term jumping the shark is usually reserved for idiotic moves that mark that downfall of a show that actually appear on camera, but I have a visual in my head of a bunch of network execs on water skis about to go off of a ski jump. Does this qualify for a Darwin Award? An act if such monumental stupidity deserves some sort of trophy of shame.
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..this is actually a good thing. Here in the UK we only get 13 episodes for a drama and 6 episodes for a comedy and that means the show is tightly scripted and has no filler. Lost seasons 2 and 3 has been 60% filler so I don't see why cutting it down to 13 episodes a year is a bad thing......it does not need to be 22-24 episodes because it is obvious they can't fill a full season with meaningful storylines.
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And he's still bloody amazed that anyone still watches this show.
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Get off my lawn too! And the modded Xbox Media Center kicks unholy ass.
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Josh Holloway for MGS anyone?*logs out*
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...usually results in some sort of crappy compromise. I think the way they have it set up now to go 3 years with these mini seasons & long gaps in between is really going to hurt the show. The filmakers original desire (2 more full seasons & then done) was the correct call....But of course, ABC wanted to drag it out as long as possible in order to keep that advertising money rolling in, resulting in this weird Frankenstein scenario we have now. With a suspense driven show like LOST, the huge gaps in between seasons are going to really kill whatever momentum they build up.It's a really bad decision but again, you can't really blame Carleton & Cuse for that, blame the suits at ABC.
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Your logic doesn't seem to hold up. So they add an extra season... and two extra episodes... and that's supposed to *eliminate* filler? All it does is potentially fuck up the pacing of the show.
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Setting an end date is essential to a show like Lost. Read the article, not just the AICN recap of it. It really goes into WHY this is a good thing. I'm not crazy about waiting from May until January for new episodes, but I would take that over a week-by-week switching between new and old episodes. It's good knowing that once it's on for the season, it's on until it's over with no repeats or anything. Lost is my favorite show on TV and this solidifies the fact that it should, and will, end properly. The sixteen episode seasons from now on sound like they just want the show to be on for three more seasons. Which is understandable. Lost is awesome. This season really picked up after the hiatus following the initial six episodes. This Wednesday's episode looks great. LONG LIVE LOST.
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Fuck off, fuckers. I love Lost, and I'm not bitching for the sake of bitching. In fact, unlike many of this show's fans, I loved most of season 2. I am thrilled there is a set endpoint. That is a terrific idea that can't be anything but good for the narrative. But does that mean that this scheduling plan of 16-episode seasons doesn't give me pause and that I shouldn't express that concern honestly? Hell no. Showtime, HBO, FX...do y'all not see the difference there? Those are PAY channels. If Lost were airing on one of those channels, I would not be nearly as concerned. There's quite a bit more latitude there for a 36-week hiatus. That is not broadcast network television that is exceedingly more beholden to the advertising dollars and the fickle taste of America. That is not the medium in which programs get cancelled without being given a fair shot to catch on after only two or three weeks. So forgive me for expressing some concern that Lost - a show with falling ratings this year - might not hold enough of the audience's interest to avoid cancellation. Cancellation and never completing those 48 episodes would be a far worse fate than seeing the show's creators bust their asses and put out the same material at the same rate they have been doing thus far. And, yeah, I'll admit it: as an impatient fan, 9 months between seasons of Lost is going to annoy me a hell of a lot more than 7 months, so there's that factor as well. I think these are perfectly reasonable concerns. Show me a contract guaranteeing that these three seasons will be made, and I'll put up with the extra wait between seasons and withdraw my complaint.
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I like him for Snake from Metal Gear, but if he was going to play any character named Snake I'd like to see him as Snake Plissken in the Escape from NY remake since they're not using Kurt Russell.
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Can't believe all the animosity over cutting 8 episodes from each season. If what they say is true, and they're cutting out all the filler and bullshit, then that should amount to a good 8 eps. I'll happily take the hit to avoid more Nikki and Paulo esque shenanigans. It sucks that it's going to take 3 years to wrap up, but at least they're taking steps to see it wrapped up their way and not get their plug pulled before they're ready. That's a move by the show runners for the fans, and if they can appeal to ABC's greedier nature by placating them with promises of more DVD revenue then so be it. Seriously, if what happened to Carnivale a few years back happened to Lost it would be a gigantic slap in the face. This is good news - it means that the endpoint is guaranteed and that there IS an endpoint the writers are building toward, which, when in the thick of season 2, seemed highly questionable. It's nice to see that they're making moves to secure the quality of the show as much as possible.
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Can't believe all the animosity over cutting 8 episodes from each season. If what they say is true, and they're cutting out all the filler and bullshit, then that should amount to a good 8 eps. I'll happily take the hit to avoid more Nikki and Paulo esque shenanigans. It sucks that it's going to take 3 years to wrap up, but at least they're taking steps to see it wrapped up their way and not get their plug pulled before they're ready. That's a move by the show runners for the fans, and if they can appeal to ABC's greedier nature by placating them with promises of more DVD revenue then so be it. Seriously, if what happened to Carnivale a few years back happened to Lost it would be a gigantic slap in the face. This is good news - it means that the endpoint is guaranteed and that there IS an endpoint the writers are building toward, which, when in the thick of season 2, seemed highly questionable. It's nice to see that they're making moves to secure the quality of the show as much as possible.
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Can't believe all the animosity over cutting 8 episodes from each season. If what they say is true, and they're cutting out all the filler and bullshit, then that should amount to a good 8 eps. I'll happily take the hit to avoid more Nikki and Paulo esque shenanigans. It sucks that it's going to take 3 years to wrap up, but at least they're taking steps to see it wrapped up their way and not get their plug pulled before they're ready. That's a move by the show runners for the fans, and if they can appeal to ABC's greedier nature by placating them with promises of more DVD revenue then so be it. Seriously, if what happened to Carnivale a few years back happened to Lost it would be a gigantic slap in the face. This is good news - it means that the endpoint is guaranteed and that there IS an endpoint the writers are building toward, which, when in the thick of season 2, seemed highly questionable. It's nice to see that they're making moves to secure the quality of the show as much as possible.
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episodes will resume 1/08.
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The nature of network television endangers both the production values and the survival of "Lost"; prolonging the show only increases that risk. I am glad that they've announced an end date to the show in advance, and if ABC guaranteed that they wouldn't slash the budget or the show if ratings started to flag, then this news would be fine. However, I don't think they can guarantee either of those things, which makes me nervous that they're attempting to prolong the show.
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Maybe *I* just don't get it, but let me use an analogy to explain how I see this news: since the executive producers often refer to the structure of "Lost" as similar to that of the Harry Potter series, a comparison to that body of work seems appropriate. Let's imagine that it's 2003. Book 5 has just come out, and Arthur Levine or whoever it is that publishes Harry Potter called up J.K. Rowling while she's working on "Half-Blood Prince." "Hey Jo," he says, "everybody down here was talking about how many copies of 'Order of the Phoenix' were moved opening week, and we're all just pleased as punch at the numbers. SO pleased, in fact, that you're not gonna write seven books... you're gonna write eight! We've heard some complaints about the length of Book 5 though. 800-some-odd pages is a lot for our market to try and digest. So instead of having to come up with a whole new chapter, we're just gonna go ahead and ask you to tweak what you already have into 3 500-page novels, rather than two 700-page ones. That'll cut back on the filler! Oh, and you'll have to re-structure Book 6 so that there's a cliffhanger about 2/3 of the way through, find a way to make the last third of the Book 6 and the first third of Book 7 cohere as a novel, and insert a cliffhanger in there as well, and then just tweak the beginning of the second third of the Book 7 and you've got yourself three complete novels. We really think this is the much more responsible thing to do, both for you and our fans, who you know would like to spend as much time in the magical world of Hogwarts as possible. We're gonna need you to issue a statement about how creatively accomodating we are so that we don't drop your contract. Agreed? Splendid." THIS is why I'm displeased with the alteration from the proposed 5-season arc that was in the news just a few days ago. I'm not "bitching," nor do I live in my "mom (and what happened to dad? Oh, that's right, it doesn't sound as deliciously oedipal if you say "parent's")'s basement," NOR do I blame those tireless producers for this. I just think that, yes, ABC wants to milk as much out of this show as they think is viable. OMG!!!1eleventyone.
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I would rather it end in two seasons, but the 16 episode seasons means for a more tighter season with less filler.
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There were a bunch of episodes I MISSED last season and could not track down any repeat viewings for the life of me.
So great, now the repeats are gone but everything is going to be stretched out slowly over three years? Way to go Voice Of The People!
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16 ep season news SUCKS. Sucks hard.
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Then you realize it's only three years. Still, I echo the sentiment that 2009 is better.
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Groundbreaking.
Brand new phase for the networks, kids. Buckle up.ÿ -
I'm dubious about getting invested in network shows these days because of the way that they yank them off the air at the first sign of a dip in the ratings. I won't risk watching anything on the Fox network anymore, for example. So the whole idea of an actual concrete end point to Lost seems very right to me. I just wish that the netwoks had given the same opportunity to all those other great shows that got cancelled before they could complete their stories. Not only that, but with such a excess of mythology that the show has created to tie up before the end, Lost is going to cut down on the (admittedly small) number of filler episodes each season.
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The shortened seasons just bumped up the returns, my friends. Smart corporate move. Slick as shit. And I say that respectfully.
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... err... or not.
"Lost to end in 2009!!!!" ... err... actually...
"Lost to end in 2010!!! 16 episodes per season!!!!" ... hmm, ri-ght.
What's that, you say? A wolf?! Really? A big ferocious wolf?! Well... i'll take my chances.
Seriously, the more I read these supposed "scoops", the more i'm thinking that ABC hasn't got a fkn clue what to do with the show or how long it should be milked for. They therefore throw every possible and feasible idea out there and see what the fans reactions are like. Well here's mine -
* Conclude (yes CONCLUDE!) the show at the end of its FIFTH season
* Ensure there are 108 episodes in the entire series run (no more, no less!)
* Don't make the final episode a courtroom drama with 45 minutes of pure exposition serving as a resolution and explanation for the entire series.
* Start winding things up gradually - don't just wait 'til the last 5 or 6 episodes of season 5.
* DON'T kill off Locke, Sayid, Jin or James Ford before nearly the end (if at all)
* DO give Claire more to do other than just cradle that fkn baby.* PLEASE do us, yourselves and the series proud - 5 years is a long time to wait to find that EVERYBODY else, who gave up on Lost long ago, probably did the right thing -
Article reads...
Lindelof and Cuse had wanted "Lost" to end after two more seasons. They're essentially still getting their wish: The 48 episodes they'll produce over the next three years is the same number the show produced during its first two seasons.
"In making this deal, Damon and I had two priorities: defining an end point for the show and keeping the quality bar high," Cuse said. "To do that we are both fully committed to the day-to-day running of the show right up until the very end. It's also why the 16 episodes per year was key for us. Because our show is so mythological, and because, unlike '24,' we can't reset each season, we need the extra time fewer episodes affords us to really plan out the specifics of our storytelling."
Well if that's the case, and it really is a Lindelof and Cuse compromise, then I'm all for it I guess. Hopefully having the extra time will enable them to write and produce some very strong episodes which'll give us and the show the resolution we deserve. -
JJ abrams and company have said this was a 5-6 year show.
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The thought of another 3 seasons of pointless flashbacks, zero character development, and nothing happening doesn't fill me with joy. I don't even enjoy it now. Why do I keep watching it? Why do I bother reading Lost talkbacks and posting comments about it? Damn...
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I posted above without being logged in. Didn't know you could do that! Anonymity on the internet will never catch on....
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We want to see more Lost episodes faster. Waiting isn't fun. Do you follow me? Now they are saying they want to stretch 2 seasons over 3 years. That means we'll have to wait longer than we expected (2 years). We wish we could see them all in 2 years, but now we cannot. That is why we are upset. That is why we are bitching. 8 episodes a year for six years would be even worse. See how it works? Make sense now? Do I need to dumb it down a shade?
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sure, it means they get to cut at most 6 episodes worth of filler material. But for those of us who have attention spans longer than an 8 year old, it's a shame that it means less slow-burning story arcs (excuse the mixed metaphor). Maybe the writers think they've got to a point where suspenseful slow development is more of a hindrance. But it'd be a shame to see one of the greatest TV shows ever in my book - switch from Lost to Lost Lite, now with
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first of all, i never get bored of being irritated at Variety's stupid fucking writing style ('skein', 'prexy', 'reup', etc). Secondly, it smells to me like the Lost guys pitched 48 episodes in 2 seasons to ABC, but the network were desperate to keep the show on air as long as possible, so they agreed to the same amount of episodes across 3 seasons instead. The problem is that it distorts the story they were obviously planning to write: despite a constant number of episodes, a story told across 3 seasons will have fundamentally different arcs than a story told across 2 seasons. I fully support the fixed end date, I just hope the 3 mini-season structure doesn't hurt the story they want to tell.
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is it something from a future episode, or just something I forgot from a past episode?
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i just reread through the thread, and Ribbons put it best with his Harry Potter analogy: cutting the last two HP books into 3 books will mess with the structure.
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and it comes out in July, right?
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the season 2 finale - Jin, Sun and Sayid are sailing Desmond's yatch around the island to rescue Jack, Kate, Sawyer & Hurley. On the way, they see the remains of a giant statue, with only the foot still standing. Sayid comments that he's not sure which is more disturbing - that the rest of the statue is missing, or that it only has four toes.
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Read the excerpt posted in this talkback. I am sorry, but if you have been writing a show for 3 years. Yet, you need more TIME to figure out where the story is going after all this time...reveals the rather less than astonishing fact that these guys have been making shit up as they have gone along.
If they need more time to be more creative, then I am all for it. However, the amount of time in which we have to wait for 16 measley episodes is truly a grand fuck you to the fans. Since we now have have a season coming up that we will get into only to have it END before it gets going. Again, this idea, is a totally backward move on the part ABC, Damon, and Carlton's part. I have no problem with waiting. However, I do have a problem with bullshit movies geared at prolonging something to the point of idiocy. -
ok now it kind of rings a bell, thanks :) Does anyone have a screencap of the four-toed statue to help re-fresh my memory even more? please and thanks :)
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I assume this allows the cast to keep commitment to the show while also giving them opportunities to do other work between seasons. They'll finally have a chance to cash in on the fame the show has brought them without having to be killed off. If the quality of the semi-seasons are as good as the recent episodes I'm all in favor of the change.
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This is such a great idea I don't even know where to begin. Firstly - Cuse is right when he stated: "I think for story-based shows like 'Lost,' as opposed to franchise-based shows like 'ER' or 'CSI,' the audience wants to know when the story is going to be over," Cuse wrote. "When J.K. Rowling announced that there would be seven 'Harry Potter' books, it gave the readers a clear sense of exactly what their investment would be. We want our audience to do the same." I LIKE the idea of knowing when the show is ending. Secondly, the fact that the show will no longer have breaks between episodes is fantastic, there is nothing worse than having to wait months for the story to continue. Thirdly, the seasons are now 16 episodes - correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't a lot of you bitching about the fact that LOST has some episodes that don't take the story anywhere? If that's how you feel, how can you honestly bemoan the fact that they've shortend the seasons so that that DOESN'T HAPPEN and they can concentrate on the actual story? Not to mention the fact networks like HBO and Showtime have 12 episode season for most of their shows and they manage to wrap up storylines perfectly (I'm looking at you ROME, DEXTER, RESCUE ME, THE SHIELD, NIP/TUCK, THE SOPRANOS, WEEDS, etc. This is a great thing, thank you Damon and Carlton for pushing for this - you did good by your fans!
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So, Abc executives...when you plan to go on a 7 month hiatus and then come back for 16 episodes next february do you really think any one is going to remember what is going on with your show?...should have just done 2 years of 25 episodes and ended it it with grace...now everyone is going to complain how lost's ratings drop for the next 3 years instead of the next 2. This is the dumbest scheduling move you have ever made. Yes, ill still watch the show next february when it comes back on, but like everyone else I will not understand or remember what is going on. 3 years of 16 episodes=bad idea...nice job on killing a one time hit show...
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now it's 6, yes i know its less shows, but it menas another year to end this saga. bullshit. two morw years seems attainable, 3 more years? fucking hell, its been 3 years since the series started, i dont think any of us can actually wait that long.
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and it's 6th season is just about to end.... Everything changes....
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Problem with HP books was actually that Rowling was told to write them in a more accessible way to transfer to film. Thats why Half Blood Prince was utter bollox. It was too predictably cheesy and too Hollywood.
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so we get an extra 10 or so (I believe this season's finale is episode 70 + the next 48).
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...stays the same. LOST will be done by the end of 2008. The last hiatus has almost killed the show. The ratings (A18-49) v. cost ratio are on the breaking point right now. IGNORE ME!
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I think the show will be cancelled well before 2010. Stretching this for another 3 years? No one will be watching after next season, believe me.
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OMG, that was beautiful man. I don't get these morons either. "*Waah* I won't remember what's going on when the show starts up again!" WTF are you serious? Do you have the attention span of a 2 year old? Ever watched The Shield? The Wire? Ever read a series of books like The Dark Tower? Ever watched the sequel to a movie a few years later? Come the fuck on.
Maybe they're just pissed that they can't come and whine on the talkbacks that "they don't have an ending for this show" cry "buh.. but.. teh fillerz!" These miserable fucks aren't happy unless they have something to complain about.
And I love Heroes, but how can you compare a show finishing its 1st season to one that's finishing its 3rd? You lames will be complaining next year, I guarantee it. I've already seen some say, "The show is over once they stop NY from blowing up... there's no other story they can do!!1!1" Really? Thanks for the crystal ball predictions, shitheads! Agghh. This place makes me nuts sometimes. -
Fuck, it's about time. Lost should run like a cable show like Nip/Tuck. Only air non stop shorter seasons. That shit always works. Look at this 2nd half of the 3rd season. It's been really good. Only sucky episode was the Jack Tattoo episode. But it's about damn time. 16 episodes give them around 14 million more in the budget to play with each season. Because doesn't it cost 2 point something million to make one episode? This is good. I'm glad. Now change the timeslot because at 10PM I'm nearly half asleep.
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...Is only as good/bad as the episodes themselves will be. If we get a tight, high-quality 16 episodes a year... then this is good. If we still get padding then this format will flop. Simple as that, really.
Sorry, to prop up such a silly notion as reason.
Personally, I have been fond of the fillers that give an insight into a characters personality and motivation, that having been said, I feel like we know 75% of the Losties as well as we need to. Then again, if there are characters dying and being added, that whole format could be reset. We will see. -
"Lighten up, Francis"~Sgt. Hulka. Unlike movies and novels. Television is an instant gratification medium. (Well, movies are too to a certain extent.) Television also has double digits of competitive counter-programming at any given time. One would argue that the negative TB's being posted here are simply, the rantings of people who genuinly care for a show and are voicing their concerns (sometimes misguided) over where the show is headed. The opposite of Love is not Hate, it's Indifference. And that was your Deep Thought of the Day, by Jack Handy.
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I also hope that the 16 yearly episodes will be tight and high quality. I think this year's 16 episode run has been really good (sans the tattoo episode and the Hurley's van ep). Hoping they do just as well with the next 3 years.
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i love Lost and i love that this will allow them to really focus on telling the story. I think the shrotened seasons is one of the reasons why the shield has maintained its quality throughout its entire run
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Honestly, I could watch it for years but am glad to see some flexibility by a major studio and a different view on how serial tv can be produced.
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It was funny, witty, and it was about a group of people who worked behind the scenes producing a sports news show. I don't really follow sports that much, but that show was FANTABULOUS, unfortunately do to it being too intelligent for the general masses, it was misunderstood, unwatched and therefore canceled.
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This show, as good as it still is, has been losing steam for viewers who aren't dedicated watchers. If they put in a 7 month gap between season, people will fill that hole with other shows and may not come back until they see that it is truly coming to an end. But they will have probably lost too many viewers to make their revenue goals and will never make it to 2010. Look at what's happened to the Sopranos over the years. While my gut tells me this final season has been up in ratings (it's been fantastic), I know that they've lost viewers since season 3, but they are also not dependent on ad revenue. I'll watch until the end - unless something really stupid happens and the show really takes a turn for the worse. But I'd rather see them finish in 2 regular seasons than gamble they will be able to hold people's interest for three more years. And while Van Buren is right about quality writing, the big difference between The Wire and LOST is that LOST is a mystery and mysteries need resolution. The Wire doesn't keep anything from the viewer.
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It would have been better to end it in 2009 after two further seasons of 24 episodes. But maybe they're doing this so that they can follow the pattern suggested by someone on a Lost talkback about a year ago. Season 1- 42 days on the island. S2- 23 days. S3- 16 days. S4- 15 days. S5- 8 days. S6- 4 days. It would certainly be a lot easier to follow this pattern with 16-episode runs. But has it really followed this pattern so far or is that theory screwy?
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So calm the fuck down. Seriously. Think of the many shows ABC has kept on the air despite their falling ratings. The Bachelor, What About Brian, Boston Legal. Lost will not end before it's scheduled end date if the ratings fall further. This show is a critical and commercial success. Sure the ratings are below the show's average. But it still has the demo ratings on lock.
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as it is, does this mean I'll only see her 4 times next season ? Maybe it's time for spinoff. A half hour show on HBO of Goth Claire taking a long milkbath and fantasizing about Kate and Sun. Now THAT is ratings gold.
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Good news all around - 52 episodes is more than we would have gotten out of just two more seasons, AND I really do believe we will see production values go up as a result of this format. The Lost crew has to bust ass to make the number of episodes they do each year. You let them focus their energies on a shorter season, and you will definitely see an improvement over what has already turned out to be an awesome season 3.
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*SPOILER* They find out they are on New Caprica.
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This bodes well for the predictions I made back in Feb/Mar for an early cancelation. I can't wait. Fuck this stupid show. Everything would be fine if they'd answer some goddamn questions a couple times a fucking season. Unfortunately, when you make your audience chase their fucking tails for three years, they tend to get a bit pissed off.Also, the problem many of the posters up-thread have with this news isn't that they're extending the show 'til 2010, or that they're trying to grab for three seasons worth of boxed set revenues, it's how the writers are going to have to restructure the remaining narrative for a three season structure, rather than a two. 'Cause, you know, there's supposed to be this big master plan, right? At least, that's what everyone keeps telling me. Stop straw-manning them and deal with their argument.And for the record, this season fucking sucks. One giant disappointment. We've learned nearly nothing about the island. The information we've received about Dharma has been sorely underwhelming. The Others were made out to be superhuman in the first two seasons...now we find out they're a bunch of science geeks with Ph.D's? Lame. They've ruined characters like Jack, and have ignored characters like Claire. Yeah, fuck this show. I can't wait for it to get canceled.
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Heros sucks donkey balls!!!
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Sheesh! Bitter much?
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Very. I loved this show in the first season. Too bad the writers saw fit to string us along for two fucking years.
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...Can we get Expose' "spun-off"? That show looked really good.
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The opposite of Love is not Hate, it's Indifference.
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is your name from an old 80's movie about some guy travelling through time?
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People have been hard on '24' this year for re-hashing plot points (why does the Counter Terrorist Unit have to keep fighting terrorists?) but a doctor show where they treat sick people every week and mate with each other in every possible combination? Let that run 15 seasons!
'24' has to be a really hard show to produce. They can't have a few shitty episodes like other shows can or the whole thing derails. With all the simultaneous action they must have to shoot 3 times more footage than other shows and they have to time everything to fit into real time (with a lot of suspension of disbelief). It's still one of the best shows ever made, IMO. -
my bad.
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this might be insanely overoptimistic thinking, but it cant hurt to balance things out in these parts i suppose: what if the creators realized 3 slightly shorter arcs actually served the purposes of the story they wanted to tell better than two larger ones? a pot smoking alien can dream... what this does to my invading-widmores theory i havent figured out yet
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Getting warm.
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I have two questions that actually spin this news in a positive light. 1.) How does this affect the shows yearly budget? Do they get a per-episode budget or a per year budget? If they get the same amount of money to do 16 episodes as they would have had to stretch over 24, that means more special effects, better props, bigger name guests. etc. That might be good. 2.) Can this be considered a guarantee from the network? If ABC actually signs a contract saying "Here, we WILL air 16 consecutive episodes a year for three years" then we don't have to worry about repeats, hiatuses, pre-emptions or - most importantly - the always looming threat of cancellation if the ratings drop. I just hope the show also got a guarantee to keep one single time slot for the entire three years and not get shuffled around on the schedule or buried on the Friday night graveyard of unwanted shows.
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learn to Google and use Wikipedia. James Bigglesworth, aka "Biggles", was a fictional pilot whose adventures appeared in British pulp publications in the 1930s. The classic British literary fantasy character was also referenced at least once on Monty Python's Flying Circus, giving hthe character added cool geek cred.
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Biggles Adventures in Time, I have a fond place in my heart for that movie. I love Time Travel movies, and I always wish they would have made a sequel to that movie. They don't seem to make fun time travel movies like that anymore...
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...as 'I Dunno' said, it's more difficult to make than other shows. However, at the end of the day, it has to hold and entertain an audience to the same degree as rote, easy to digest mindless sitcoms. It's not fair, but there it is. On top of it all, '24's novel format is no longer seen as 'new and inventive' (which it still is).
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where I gotta find where I can read these Biggles stories. Are they connected to the movie in any way?
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Oh man, a move to Friday night would be awesome. Guaranteed cancelation. It would _kill_ their ratings in every segment outside of the basement dwelling geek.
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...sometimes the search is part of the fun, Napoleon.
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it seems to me that if someone loved the first two seasons but believed the "Others" were being portrayed as having super-powers, they are taking the fan-site speculations way to seriously and were actually in love with their idea of the story in their head, not what was being aired. (This is common - a lot of people who 'fall in love' in real life love their own idealized mental conception of what the object of their affection is like, not the real person.)
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... time travel in relation to the LOST plot.
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if they had dragged it out to 7-9 years they would have found Santa's Workshop and the Easter Bunny on the island... good move by ABC...
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I believe that the budget is devided up per episode, but I believe there a special circumstances i.e. guest directors, guest stars, sweeps, and whatnot.
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ABC will not cancel this show. They will get their run till 2010. If by some crazy chance they shorten it to 2009 they will extend the episodes. They will at least be able to end it with a planned ending. So just relax. Many of you should consider yourselves lucky. Many shows don't get this type of treatment. What if they had just cancelled it without tying up any loose ends? That would be terrible. As for the dvds for an extra short season then just don't buy it. At least for a short time. Prices will go down or good deals will always be there. Patience.
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The deaths he mentioned are all legit
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One of my biggest pet peeves is people using the phrase "trust me" in conversation. It's almost always code for "I don't know anything and am just making wild predictions."
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They will not cancel this show, it's making them too much money.
can anyone give me a link to a pic of the four-toed statue please please with suger on top.
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my new bud Gepta asked a direct question and you teased him on it. The search for knowledge is it's own reward, and I told him how to do it. Google, Wikipedia and IMDb just makes it that much easier. Like I always say, knowing the answers isn't always as important as knowing where to look them up. *** (um, the following rant is not directed at Biggles; since his name's up top in the subject line, I thought I should clarify that point)*** oh, that whole Shatner 'get a life sketch' cliche about "living in your mothers basement" is old and rusted. yeah, I lived in my father's attic until he died, but since I worked and he drank, I think he lived with me. And that whole idea that "Friday Night is 'Date NIght' or Party Night" is fine for the young and horny, social drinkers and stoners but it's just another night and personally, I like Ghost Whisperer and Numb3rs (and Las Vegas, Raines, Boomtown, The D.A., Wonderfalls, Book Of Daniel, Third Watch, Sabrina the Teenage Witch and, going back a few years, The original Smother Brothers sitcom, Honey West and Judd For The Defense. I suppose if someone gifted you with an X-Files boxed set you couldn't watch the first few years because only geeks and losers watch Friday night shows? (Not to say X-Files wasn't a geek show, but I hear it was popular)
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Your info on the ratings is only a fraction of the picture. You have to remember product tie-ins, DVD sales, online episode sales, and online streaming with ads. If the show's budget was greater than the amount of money it takes in, the network wouldn't be giving them until 2010, and they certainly wouldn't have been trying to keep them from ending in 2009. I understand that you'd like to show everyone how smart you are by saying that the show sucks and will go off the air soon, but wishing does not make things reality.
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I don't know a guy who has ever watched an episode of Ghost Whisperer that _didn't_ like it. It's one of my wife's favorites to watch, and I never complain.
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Wait a minute...so, running through the forest, leaving next to no tracks, evading pursuit by FOUR people, carrying TWO full grown adults over your shoulders, and THEN having enough energy to royally kick the shit out of another guy ISN'T superhuman?
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I watched that show for one reason, or maybe it was two reasons... Jeneifer Love Hewitt..... About half-way through the 2nd season I quit watching, I just wasn't that interested in the show, i might have given up too soon, I dunno *shrugs*
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That she took from the Black Rock last week.
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to the show. Otherwise people just assume the writers are stringing them along.
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In the first and 2nd season, they did seem almost superhuman, they were very scary, and now it just aren't scary anymore. It just seems like they are reguler people being coerced into following the orders of the evil madman that is their leader. The still might be super-human though, the one-eyed russian came back to life... And they might or might not have some kind of magic box. I really hope at some point Time Travel comes into the story... And I really hope they explain why Jack saw his dead father walking around in season 1, and How Kate's Horse got to the Island. Maybe it's all the Magic Box.... Maybe it has something to do with Time Travel... I just hope they don't explain it all away with Psuedo-science
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The writers have lost all credibility. We're constantly told "THIS IS THE EPISODE THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!!11one!! OMGLOL!," yet nothing ever changes. You may accept empty promises, but personally, I look back at past behavior as an indicator of future performance.
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With 16 episodes a season over three years, that gives them more time to actually revise and hammer out tighter stories. Whereas now they're writing episodes in a lot shorter time. Kristin at E! Online posted this: "I'm told by multiple sources inside ABC that the initial plan was to do two more seasons of Lost, with 24 episodes each, however, because of interntional deals already in place, Lost's producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse agreed to divvy up those remaining 48 episodes over three seasons. (A TV season must be a minimum of 16 episodes.)"So yes, they did have to make a compromise, but so what? My opinion is that they may know where they're going, they know the mythology of the show and have yet to STRUCTURE that. The reason the Harry Potter analogy doesn't work completely is that each Harry Potter book is ONE YEAR in his life. Lost doesn't have that same time constraint on it. Giving this opportunity to Lindelof and Cuse will allow for them to EXPLICITLY figure out just how the next 48 episodes will go. The ONLY reason I'm pissed about the news is because it means I'm going to have to wait three years for it all to be over. It's a matter of impatience. And those of you saying that ABC will abandon Lost before it's over. Give me a fucking break. Did you even read the article? The series is still pulling in millions of viewers and is in the top tier of the male demographic that's so coveted by advertisers. Coupled with the absurd amount of money they've surely given the producers, ABC is going to stick with this plan.
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but it's clear that they ain't quite normal either. Or are we meant to believe that Kate - streetwise enough to mastermind bank robberies and wiley enough to evade capture by federal marshalls - would get judo-thrown by Juliet, a geneticist? Similarly, Jack and Ethan are both surgeons, but apparently Ethan's medical training involved a lot more hand-to-hand combat than Jack's did. Mikhail apparently came back from the dead, which might not be super-human per se, but let's be honest, it ain't that ordinary. And the as-yet-unseen Jacob can apparently cause cancer to go into full remission.
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I wouldn't exactly cite Mikhail's return as a good example of _anything_. After all, this is the show where "When you're dead, you're dead!," and "Characters on Lost stay dead," right? I know that I routinely shoot blood out my ears and wake up the next morning. It usually happens after watching Lost.
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The episode that changes everything.
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due to it's inability to have a proper story telling structure...everything seems to come for a round table brainstorming discussion. That format works for sketch shows, but for a drama it really has no place and makes the narrative sloppy. A story will begin in episode 4 and than be continued in episode 22, while several other pointless stories take place....and can they drop the fucking 'flashbacks' they served their purpose in season 1 but do nothing but stall the story and add nothing to the characters.
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'Heroes' is stupid. Go worship Tim Kring for the amazing feat of 22 dumb episodes a season in the 'Heroes' TB.
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Oh come on...learning about the super secret art of Thai tattoos was super critical to Jack's character! It explains _everything_! How can you NOT like the flashbacks? /poorly delivered snark
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48 episodes in 3 seasons involves a different structure than the same number of episodes stretched across 2 seasons or 5 seasons or 7 seasons, etc. It stands to reason that the length of a season affects the way in which the story arcs are structured. A shorter season might work fine for other shows, e.g. Sopranos or HBO. But if the 3 season structure is effectively a trade-off with the network to keep ABC's golden goose laying eggs, fans of the show are entitled to be concerned about how chopping and changing the number of episodes per season will affect the story structure. I'd rather the producers have the freedom to tell the story the way they want it, rather than be dictated by commercial pressures into spreading things out. Maybe Lindelhof and Cuse are comfortable with the compromise they've struck and maybe 16 episode seasons will work. But let's not pretend that it won't affect the show.
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Kurt Russell and holy shit, he hates Lost.
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to the talkbacker above who claimed that "Rowling was told to write them in a more accessible way to transfer to film", what utter and complete fucking bollocks. The only thing Bloomsbury tell JK Rowling to do is send more trucks to collect her money. She has unparalleled creative control over the books, and also the movies (there's not many authors who could refuse Spielberg, for instance). Indeed, if the messy nature of the later books are proof of anything, it's that her publishers are too much of a soft touch, because the later books certainly could use an editor. The idea that Rowling would be told to change her writing for the sake of film adaptations is ignorance at its purest.
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Or better yet, we'll finally learn what the Village and Rover...errr, the Others' residential area and the Smoke Monster really are. Perhaps in the finale, Jack pulls off Ben's face mask, revealing Jack's face underneath.
Oh, and I can't wait to learn how the Others are using the Flash's Cosmic Treadmill technology to bring people to their alternate Earth for scientific research in the hopes of repopulating their world. What, too soon?
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Sounds like you are upset. Here's some advice that should help: 1. Stop watching the show 2. Stop reading about the show 3. Stop posting about the show 4. Stop thinking about the show. If you follow these steps, preferably in order, you will feel better and hopefully no longer feel the need to post redundant, useless comments in talkbacks like this one.
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Did I say the show sucks? No. I like the show. It's appointment TV for me. Just giving the reality (adjusted for merchandising, DVD, and syndication, which is really the big money maker) With the show off of the air, it will be easier to negotiate syndication(one of the only true money-makers of the television industry), as most syndication deals include keeping the syndicated show on the air until the "prime" run is off of the air. This is regardless of how the show performs in syndication (see King of the Hill). So you can see, of course, that with a serial show, this presents a problem for syndicators, as serial dramas tend to perform poorly out of syndication. To say the show will go until 2010, BY THE NETWORK, is like GM saying 4th Quarter 2007 sales will be up (to the stock-holders). It could also be a kiss to the staffers that there will be an end on the horizon. Any "contract" can be broken based on performance, extenuating circumstances, and even salary negotiations. That last one, "salary negotiations" is the kicker and the nail that will secure the coffin, so to speak. Back to point, I don't remember EVER saying the show "sucked", but maybe you confused my prediction with my opinion of the show. For your misunderstanding, I'm truly apologetic.
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Once the ratings go back up they may change it. I would rather have 52 solid episodes than 100 watered down ones.
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said they need. Tell the story that needs to be told, nothing more, nothing less. However, if these numbers are coming from the Suits which they picked out of thin air then, well... this wouldn't be the first time suits without a clue meddled with the creative process and f'd up a high quality show. Although keep in mind, this type of stuff can change very easily.
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Thankfully, Lost won't go the way of The X-Files. How about announcing when Smallville will finish? The whole series has been a big tease and we won't get a payoff (Welling will never be seen in the costume.) The BBC just ended the brilliant Life on Mars after 16 episodes (but we are getting a spin-off), so shut up you whiny Mary Janes - quality is more important than quantity.
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Seriously shut the fuck up. I know it's a free country and all, but for someone who LOATHES a TV SHOW as much as you do, you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about it. Are you into S&M or something? PS- you're dumb.
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...That love of one show seems, for many, to equal utter disdain for another? Is it just some sort of "My favorite show is better than your favorite show" pissing match?
I mean, you'd think a diverse array of viewing options would be welcomed rather than a source of all caps insults and declarations of 'owning'.
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Oh, yeah, and Heroes is dull as fuck.
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Yes, please, attack me personally. It feels so good knowing that you can't actually refute anything I've said and have to resort to ad hominem.
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they have some Special Lost recap show? I always skip the recap shows, and wonder if I missed anything by not watching them? Have I, or should I continue skipping them?
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It's hard to jump back into a show like Lost or Heroes when they disappear for weeks on end only to replaced with quality TV like Identity and Deal or No Deal. Bring back the heady days of non stop programing. I'm glad they've set an end date and the ammount of episodes is really a non issue since I can't keep track of how many fucking episodes there are sopposed to be because of these breaks etc. I will go on record as saying that as a Lost fan I'm dreading the final episodes, because I don't think that the writers can write a ending that isn't anti-climatic to everything thats come before. They've been building such a intriguing mystery so far that any ending they can come up with will be a letdown in comparison.
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I skip them, as well. It would be cruel to insert anything new into them, but it would be mildly funny as well. I plan to catch THIS ONE, however, as I want to see what elements were deemed worthy of focus by the show's creators.
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After seeing how well the brit 16 or less episode idea works US shows should start picking up the idea.
Lost should have been a bunch of miniseries each four two hour ewpisodes.
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Hmmm, while I love the fact that they've given a date for withdrawal, I'm not sure about the 3 season thing. I don't think that's any guarantee for reduced filler (see the first half of this season of Sopranos). I think I'd rather two seasons, with a break right down the middle, each half structured like it's own season. The up side to this, is that it gives them time to respond to us the next time they fuck up. Mixed news, I say. It can go either way.
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If they're only doing 16 there's no fucking excuse for 'fillers'. Half of them should be written by Cuse and/or Lindelof. Maybe they're doing this so all the actors don't leave. This way they'll have some more time for other things. Personally I think Lindelof and Cuse went to ABC and said '48 episodes then we're out' and ABC went all retarded and said 'you can do them, but only over three seasons'
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what I meant to say was, you're dumb.
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Fair enough. I mistook your pessimism for the trash talking that certain people do around here. Sorry about that. I do stand by my original impression that this news is a good thing, but I am sorry for jumping to conclusions about you.
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3 EXTRA months of hiatus. Its not like before this it went of in May and came back in June. There was usually a 5 month hiatus (May - October) and when you factor in that most shows go on repeats during December and January anyway -- I think it is workable.
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...now that Lost has set an end date. OMG TISNF!!!
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May 07, 2007 11:45:36 AM CDT
JJ: Alias is calling. Wants you to stop after 5 seasons
by stanthecritic
2010? Come on..people will move on to other shows by then.
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BBC system is one of the best because it lets u have all good eps and no fillers. Everyone seemed to complain about there being fillers and no we've gotten news that there probably wont be anymore fillers your all moaning even more. THis talkback is pointless sometimes.
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King JESUS!
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There have been countless series with these short seasons that suck. While I love the Shield, that show comes across as being rushed as fuc. Now, LOST, a show that needs all of that FILLER you folks are bitching about to space out the story, will have to rush to tell a story. Not only that, but do you really think they are only going to shoot 16 episodes a year? Really? Hell no. So all this does is pro-long a show that should end in TWO-YEARS! Let us not forget that there will apparently be a fucking MOVIE AFTER THE SERIES ENDS!
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I agree with Papa Smurf. This just means less filler. It also mean they may be fucked, but people seem to stick with that smoldering crap-fest The Sopranos and they average like 3 shows a year.
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The know DARHMA is coming looking for them now. Locke blew up the station which kept contact with the DARHMA base. They know the research teams have been brain washed into the survivors of flight 815 now. Patchy and the girl from Las Vegas work with DARHMA. DARHMA shows up in the final episode in a huge airship.
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has fraked up it's shows i.e. Monk, Psych, by cutting up their seasons in two halves, and having ridiculous scheduling, and hiatus, etc.
I guess if they show them all in 16 straight weeks, I won't mind it that much, as long as they are good. I'll look forward to them more, and therefore hopefully appreciate them more. On Another note, I saw Spiderman 3 last night, Frak me, I think X-Men 3 might be better than Spiderman 3, because Spiderman 3 was this Emo sob story, I'm sorry, I'm crying, I apologize for this, touchy-feely, movie. I was in agony hoping the movie would just end, but it dragged on and on, the only part I really enjoyed was Bruce Campbell's cameo. And can you believe what I just read, They just Greenlit 3 more Spiderman sequels.. Are they trying to just ruin everything or what? -
You gotta be fucking shitting me. The BBC don't have short seasons because of any overarching artistic vision. They have short seasons because it's all they can fucking afford. Seriously, there's no comparison between UK and US tv shows: UK shows don't have teams of writers. They are typically solo affairs or writing partnerships, c.f. Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant. They're run on a shoestring because the available budgets are miniscule compared to even the most average US series. The hit ratio is even lower: UK tv manages to produce a watchable show approx once every decade or so: c.f. Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, The Office, Extras. Everything else is dribbly shite. But even the dribbly shite is guaranteed an incredibly long run because the BBC loves nothing better than to repeat crappy shows indefinitely.
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Strange, about the Priest that hunts demons, was it canceled, or did it just have 1 season at that was it?
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They are not very forgiving people. That's because Kate and crew use to be the ones in charge of the DARHMA camp. That's why they had Kate and Sawyer doing random hard work, because they wanted them to know what it was like to be a "workman". Signed and sealed my friends.
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Seriously.
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I'll say this for you, you've got some stamina. Well, not that you should keep watching a show you hate, but I'd imagine this week's Ben flashback episode might have some of those answers you're so under-exposed to.
Oh who are we kidding, you'll be in the talkback on thursday. Why bother with the front? You're as addicted to the show as the rest of us. -
I'll say this for you, you've got some stamina. Well, not that you should keep watching a show you hate, but I'd imagine this week's Ben flashback episode might have some of those answers you're so under-exposed to.
Oh who are we kidding, you'll be in the talkback on thursday. Why bother with the front? You're as addicted to the show as the rest of us. -
...SPOILER obviously...
...in relation to this news, Watch with Kristin at E! says that when we see the "game changer" in the finale, we'll understand why the show can't go longer than 48 episodes. Hmmmm...thoughts??? -
And fuck me for still watching this damn show. There really has only been 4 good episodes this seson IMHO.
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damon lindelof drove to his house and fucked his mother senseless while simultaneously shitting on all his goals, hopes and dreams in life. it's the only rational explanation for his behavior
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Just because the BBC doest have that much money doest mean it has to create short shows, IM Irish n ill admit In the last few years British TV has kicked some serious ass with shows like Life on MArs, the Return of Doctor Who, Skins and a few more and American TV has gone down hill with Lost, Heroes, 24 n BAttlestar really being the only few exceptions. Oh n British n Irish humour comedy is funnier ways.
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i'm also going to start saying ad hominem as often as possible, because it makes me sound smart. maybe you guys should try it, also
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We better actually see what it is...it better not be a cliffhanger that leaves us still guessing what the game changer is and not actually learning until Jan of 2008
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it would be mind-boggling if it wasn't perfectly clear what it was by the end of the finale...
If you read the variety article, the source who had read the script for the finale says: "It changes everything".
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That this official announcement pisses me off. Three sixteen episode seasons is evil. I hope smokey smacks ABC around for this.
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The survivors of flight 815 are not who they think they are. THEY ARE DARHMA CREW.
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C'mon guys, you tease us with the great knowledge that we'd have TWO seasons of Lost left, two FULL seasons. Now we fucked 'cause the ABC execs wanna drag it out even more. This plan is super-retarded. So what, now we have to wait even longer for the no-repeat run each January because of a shortened season? ABC, what a dick move.
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Let's place bets on L O S T getting cancelled. You and me. What do you say? Something you might want to know about me: I may be a betting man, but I only bet on a sure thing. Much to your chagrin, I know L O S T is not going to be cancelled. So why not put your money where your mouth, you chump sucker?
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In response to someone's brief review above, I too was bored out of my mind and annoyed with all the fucking crying. The best part was the Harry vs Peter fight that took place at Harry's house. Other than that the movie was so forced. Another annoying thing, when MJ "Broke Up" with Peter on the bridge, did she forget she was getting piped down on the regular by mutherfucking SPIDERMAN? Because it annoys me that she didn't think to tell her serious boyfriend (Who is also a FUCKING SUPERHERO) that the guy who threatened her was lurking in the bushes watching them. That right there just played out like a stupid soap opera scene. And watching Tobey cry was like watching him take a serious hard shit that was way to big for him and it made him tear up during the process. He always looks constipated. Anyhow, a real chick would have told her Superhero BF that she got choked out "24" style by a dude on a flying glider as soon as she had the chance. But whatever. Lost is great again. I just hope that these spoilers by Stan aren't real. Because Kate dying would suck. She is one of the few "Hot" girls left. And I don't think the Lostaway's being DHARMA would make too much sense.
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My issue with this supposed spoiler is that we have seen the crash of flight 815 from the perspective of people who were not on the plane (Ben and Juliet specifically). This, along with Ben's need to find survivors of the flight, Desmond's arrival/re-arrival, Naomi's arrival, the Black Rock and several other issues just don't seem to fit. It would take a lot of explaining to make this work. Not saying it can't be true, just that it would take a lot of explaining.
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What makes you think I want you to tell me? Besides the fact that it doesn't make any sense. Either way, ease up will ya? I'd rather not have the entire month's LOST eps spoiled by some guy who can't control himself.
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I have people insulting my mother (trust me, if Lindelof fucked my mother, well, his loss), insulting me, blustering and trying to make bets that their ass can't cash, and generally being assholes. None of them actually bother to point out _how_ I'm wrong.Novaman, trust me, I'd _love_ for the writers to prove me wrong this Wednesday. I'd LOVE for them to answer some fucking questions. I just don't think they will.
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UK channels as a whole produce decent shows far more often than that - let alone "watchable". Agreed that the vast majority is horrible. But the trick, as with anything, is to filter out the rubbish and concentrate on the quality stuff. The past few years alone have given us Doctor Who, The Thick Of It, Life On Mars, Help, The Government Inspector, Bodies, Conviction and Outlaws to name but a small selection. Still not as high a ratio of top-class stuff as I'd like, but not as embarrassingly bad as suggested.Anyway, BBC TV shows aren't necessarily shot in short runs to save money. More shows with shorter runs actually cost more. Earlier this year the BBC announced their intention to produce fewer dramas with longer runs in order to save money. Which I'm not in favour of because it will mean less variety and bad shows will stay on the air longer.I'm not sure why people are referring to this as the "BBC system" since the BBC have, in the past, preferred runs of 6 or 8 episodes. Surely a 16 episode run is closer to the HBO system? And can anyone claim that system to have a bad track record?
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You British always say that. Love the visting Queen of Britain, though. Looks a lot like that British actress, Helen Mirren.
LOST was intriguing and compelling for most of its first season, then fell out of focus. It has foundered since. If they're gonna tell us they're gonna tell us something, THEN FUCKING TELL US. No more questions, WE WANT ANSWERS!
At least they can make it worth my while to stick with it or I want all my wasted time BACK. If I was an ADD twerp, I would've given up last season. Not a hater, just supremely disappointed with Abrams, who has this habit of fucking over his creations (Alias, anyone?). And what can be said for Carleton Cuse, whose previous work includes NASH BRIDGES??!! -
Don't forget Rome. Most expensive television series EVER, and cofinanced by the BBC. Also a better show than Lost. Suck it, BBC haters.
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NEVER taken me up on it. List the questions that you feel the writers haven't answered, and lets see what we've got. Feel free to even list the big ones, but I'm sure you know that the writers have said that the huge ones, like "what is the smoke monster" won't be answered until the final season.
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premature cancellation of a couple shows- most notably "Carnivale". I'm still bitter about that... it just needed one more season!
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The haters will hate, no matter what. This is good news for what has been consistently one of the best written shows on TV. And who cares if there are only 16eps per season - the great thing is that there will be 16 eps in a row - with no repeats - and they have a timeline to build the series to a specatcular ending and time to fill in all the mysteries of the island. Don't be pissed off because they are stripping down the time to add filler to the series. Lost is a great character study, and with an end in site to the series, the writers will have a goal in site. Only three years left until Mr. Rourke and Tattoo emerge from the hatch to explain it all... can't wait.
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i'm not insulting you, i'm just trying to figure out why in the world you would get so worked up over a television show. it's entertainment. if you dig it, cool, if not why waste your time here other than to be a douche to people just because they like Lost and you don't?
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...Is, indeed, amazing television. Easily one of the finest achievments of the medium. However, WITHIN the medium itself comparing 'Rome' and 'Lost' is like comparing apple wine and apple sauce.
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16 episodes, 3 seasons?
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ad hominem
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* Why was Libby in Australia? ("?")
* Why was she leaving Australia? ("?")
* Why exactly was Libby in the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute? ("Dave")
* Did she remember Hurley from the hospital?
* What is Libby's last name?
* Who was Libby's husband, David? ("Live Together, Die Alone")
* Was Libby really a clinical psychologist, as she said she was? ("Lockdown")
* Is Libby related somehow to the Others?
* Was her meeting Desmond and giving him the boat a coincidence, or planned?
* What is her surname?
* Why was she in a mental institute, and was the fact that both she and Hurley were there and then on the Island together merely a coincidence?
* Who was her husband?
* Why was she in the coffee shop and why did she offer to pay the bill for Desmond?
* She told Hurley that she remembered him because he was the last on the flight, was sweaty and wearing head-phones. Could Libby have been monitering Hurley's behaviour? -
Don't get me started on that. I'm still upset that it was cancelled without an end. (Now that I think about it, it was a show that people whined about moving too slow and that nothing ever happened, just like Lost.)
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I can't say it enough, guys. Get that fucker some green tights and a longbow.
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The producers want 2 23-ep seasons. The studio want 3 23-ep seasons. So the compromise is 3 16-ep seasons. This will mean better quality of said 16 eps and the writers have 9 MONTHS to work their magic. Seasons 4-6 are going to be AMAZING because of this. I just find it sad that some Americans think they'll bail cos they have to wait 9 months when it's "normal" to wait 10-12 months for the return of TV shows in the UK and other territories! Oh well.
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Green Arrow, eh? Hmmm... Well, I can see what you mean. If I were in a position to cast that movie I wouldn't automaticlly give him the role, but I'd certainly let him audition.
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Come one, there are more interesting episodes than others, but the 60% is plain stupid.
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What the fuck is a skien?
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You have so many interesting wuestins! Dd you have all those up there in that dedicated noggin of yours? no you didnt.Way to cut and paste Libby's questions from the Lostpedia. What's ther point? Be original. Don't plagarise. eat a bag of dicks.
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On the season one 'behind the scenes' disc, they show how Saywer's character was originally a slick-talking business-type, and the actor was trying to mask his southern accent to play the part. They told him not to hide the accent and re-wrote the character to fit the actor.
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Please ABC, don't be greedy!
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Locke dies.
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i'm on crack
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...did move slow it's first season. Everyone hated it then. Not sure where all the love eventually came from. That being said, it never moved too slow for me. In fact, I thought the second season moved a bit too fast. However, I have frequently criticized Lost for moving too slow. So what's the difference between the two? Lost is all about the mystery, take that away and you have a fairly shallow show. Carnivale managed to keep me interested, regardless of what was happening storywise. If Lost would work to make it's characters more likable (starting with not being so stupid), then I think the pressure for answers would diminish.
Not sure why people are excited about an uninterrupted 16-ep run, when we have an uninterrupted 17-ep run right now. I don't think it'll affect the quality too much. It's not like the writers don't have enough to work with right now. If next season is better, then it'll be a response to fan reactions rather then having less episodes to work with. -
He needs to be around for the duration of the show. He's arguably the main character of LOST.
Carnivale, in addition to being a really interesting, solid story, had some of the best cinematography I've seen on TV. That was also a show that was pretty obviously plotted out from the beginning, and it showed the more it went on. What kills me about its cancellation is that it ended on such an obvious unfinished note, and then HBO had the balls to say that the story was finished to their satisfaction. Way to insult the intelligence of your audience.
AND STAN: Ok, so libby questions, which the writers are promising us we'll get as soon as the characters she has interacted with are introduced in the narrative of the show. You can do better than a few libby questions, right? -
where is he getting this shit? should i believe him at all?
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a loosely coiled length of yarn or thread wound on a reel
So sayeth Merriam-Webster
The term comes up most often now-a-days (often in comics, Jor-El23) in reference to the twisting path of fate. -
I feel more and more like Desmond is the central character of this show. Odd, since he didn't show up until season 2, but he is certainly one of the main drivers of anything that happens on the show or on the island.
Regarding Libby questions: Are they really important questions when two of them are about what her last name was?
Back to Carnivale: I never agreed with people who said it moved slowly. The mood of that show was practically a character itself. The cancellation of Carnivale, specifically when and how they did it, was borderline criminal. If I could figure out what they should be charged with (pissing me off and lying about it?) I'd see about pursuing criminal charges. (yes, folks, that's called hyperbole) -
If you're looking for an answer for every question (*waaaaaah* the producers promised!) you're going to end up very disappointed. With end dates being thrown around, mark my word, that the end will come sooner than anyone expects. (at least on this TB) My advice? Enjoy the friggin show. Enjoy the overall story arc. Forget all the little questions. They've changed, based on actors choices to leave the show (or getting pushed out). Don't get hung-up on when execs SAY a show is going to end. Lots of factors will change that date.
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Why did Ethan seem to have superhuman strength while fighting Jack when none of the other Others seem to share this ability?
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I agree with most of the things you've said about the show. You should check out the Lost bitterness thread on the forums at TWOP.
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...I wasn't being pessimistic in my prediction that the show will be over by the end of next year. I was being optimistic with a dash of reality and smidgen of experience thrown in.
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There was a show in 1977, about a group of people shipwrecked on an island that had space warps that accessed other times and dimensions called "Fantastic Journey". IT'S THE SAME FUCKING ISLAND!
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u guys are never satisfied...i swear. we get great news that LOST will be on for 3 more years... with slightly shortened seasons, 6 less episodes but will run back to back without repeats, essentially whats its done this year since it came back and u bitch...lots of shows on cable run with 13 episode seasons and ratings are continuously good.. i dont see the problem here.....and i cant wait till this weeks episode so u can all shut up about jack being jacob, jacob is introduced this week according to TVguide...ive been saying for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks that jacob is a board member of the hanso foundation, if u check the LOST wiki u would know that...but what do i know, i only have cold hard facts..
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But I supect that Dr. Jack Shepherd is not long for this show and that Desmond Hume or James Ford are on deck for the new 'head of the ensemble'.
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i think lots of u are thinking "ending" means "cancellation" there is a difference ya know...it means there is a definitive END to the show....where the series would end where it wants to and not by cancellation, like gilmore girls, or angel, surface, invasion, i could go on and on and on.... be glad its not being dragged into bones like 7th heaven was or how ER still is, and the law and orders...some shows dont know how to bow out gracefully and keep milkin and milkin and milkin. i for one am glad that there is a conclusion in mind for the show...the producers were very keen in comparng it to the fact that harry potter readers knew book 7 was the end, so that they knew that rowling wasnt going to keep writing them,that there was an idea where the story was moving towards...i for one cant wait.
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I'd be fine with two regular seasons, but this has some good potential, especially if they know what the arcs for each season will be. It's funny to see all the bitching right now at a time when the show is on a streak of consistently solid episodes, and ratings creeping back up. I don't think a longer hiatus will be a problem at all - the things that pissed viewers off this season were the six teaser episodes and fall hiatus, and the move to a later timeslot. It sounds like both of those will be resolved next season - the 16 continuous episodes, and there are rumors of going back to an earlier timeslot, probably 9 eastern again. I'm also curious about the rumors that this season finale have a plot twist that make it clear that it would be impossible for the show to go on indefinitely. This show is a classic example of people bitching no matter what they do. They could announce 48 straight weeks of new episodes starting in September and someone would still think of something to whine about.
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there is no such thing as "filler" episodes..just because it wasnt relevant to u, dont make it filler..also STRABO, no one cared about ROME, it prob sucked, i never heard of it...so when in ROME do what the romans do .....blow it out ur ass
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"Lighten up, Francis."~Sgt. Hulka. Nobody here wants the show to go forever.
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hypothetical situation, you get yourself locked up in the loony toons bin, and you recognize one of your fellow looney tunes, because has been in the news alot lately as he just became a millionare by winning the lottery. You stay in the background and try not to get noticed, but at the same time learn as much about him as possible. He eventually gets released, as do you. You begin following him around, you've heard him talk about the numbers and learned he's going to australia, so you follow him there, your plan is to follow him back home and become his girlfriend, and trick him into marryijng you and then kill him. But on the plane trip back home, your plane crashes on a mysterious island. Your name is Libby, the millionaire you're trying to seduce , marry and murder, is named Hugo.
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i totally agree, they want continuous episodes with no break, and an earlier timeslot, and theyre getting all that and still arent happy..had to be 24 or they cry...id rather wait till 2008 for new episodes and know they will be 16 back to backs till the end of the season....the 4400 does 13 episode seasons and no one has bitched about that....but i also agree that if they got what they wanted they would still whine....prob that the show shouldnt continue for 3 more seasons at 24 episodes each..that they were stretchng it..... so i think ur damned if u do, damned if u dont...
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May 07, 2007 3:16:18 PM CDT
OK, name me 6 episodes you could lose from the seasons
by performingmonkey
I can only name two episodes from season 3 that I could do without - the Take-A-Shit + Blonde Actress special and the Jack tattoos episode. Going off the new setup we would have to lose four more. So it would probably be the Ecko episode where he dies (just have him disappear with no explanation), merge episodes 6 and 7 together and cut the flashbacks of Kate not being able to settle down to married life. I don't know what else to cut. The fact is, we are going to miss good episodes due to this retardation. Even on an off episode it's still great to watch. Fuck.
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actually juliette also demonstrated advanced strength and agility when kate tried to ambush her at the others camp....she took kate out so quickly and efficiently that even kate seemed shocked..
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The Island has these mysterious healing powers right? Paralized LOcke can walk? Sperm counts are higher. Maybe the Island also boosts strength and agility, and the longer you're on the Island, the stronger and more agile you become. Since Ethan, Juliette, and the other others have been on the island longer than the 815 survivors.... what do you think?
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no one says theyre cutting story line, just the number of epps. its not like they have the next 3 seasons layed out episode for episode...and theyre gonna sit there and say "lets cut this one, no one will notice" to apply the 16 episode plan to this season and say what the producers may have cut is the silly part..the seasons wont be missing anything or dropping anything...dont panic.....and i still like every episode, i personaly dont think there have been "off episodes", not one, but im not a armchair critic..not that u are, but it seems theres alot of panties in bunchs in here....
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Firstly, there maybe significant, if subtle, variations in the exact definition of 'superhuman'.
Would Bantman's fanatical training qualify him as 'superhuman' in a fight. He is certainly classified as a 'superhero' despite having no siper-powers.
But anyway, Ethan Rom. As unrealistic as it may sound to some, it is certainly possible that Ethan's kick-assery was the result of high-training. But he is just a surgeon, you might say. Ah no! He is the OTHER'S surgeon. We can not say how long he has been on that island. When 815 crashed, Ben immediately turned to Ethan (and Goodwin) who seemed to know just how to proceed w/ minimal instructions. It seems to me that certain others like Ben & Ethan (and probably Tom, Goodwin and Klugh) are more... invested... in whatever is going on than recruits like Juliet or Cindy. Despite the fact that both are medical folks (we do not KNOW Ethan was an official doctor, just a trained surgeon) there is little to juggest Ethan was brought on similarly to Juliet.
Now should we need more of an explanation for Ethan delivering the whompass, I think there is just enough evidence to suspect life on the islnad had built Ethan into an above average physical specimen for his build.
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unless its moved to the e! channel.
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if there is any possible decision that would work to unify every person who is or has ever been a fan of Lost. I'm at the point now where I don't think so. I personally like the idea of an endpoint, but am frustrated that I'm going to have to wait three years instead of two. But that's my own personal annoyance. I can be a very impatient person, yet, I have no problem waiting for "answers."
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but this has become a saving-face issue.
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Refute WHAT, you stupid bastard? That the Others could have been construed as super-strong if you really wanted to, and now they can't? That there was an episode about Jack getting tattoos? Wow! What an incendiary free-thinker you are! I would wet my pants in admiration, if only I weren't such a "Lost" sheep who didn't want to hear the truth, maaaaan! Fuck off. Why do we have to play by your rules? I'd rather be a happy sheep than a pissy human who refuses to leave the sheep pen. I don't know what statements you're expecting us to address. You want me to "prove you wrong" that the writers don't know where they're going? You can't even prove yourself right, so where's your upper ground? You want me to tell you that the writers haven't been "dicking you around" for a season and a half by answering "no" questions? Well we both know that they've answered some questions, so I wouldn't even be able to address that statement until you went into detail. Not that I should feel compelled to. Why should WE care what you think of US? You're the idiot who rants and raves about a show that you hate so badly you want to "kill" it, so to speak. You know what I do to shows I don't like? I don't watch them.
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I'm just happy that we are getting an end to one of the most enjoyable shows ever. This is good news to me :)
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...the writing all that much. I think the ratio of stuff-happens eps to filler eps will remain the same, although that ratio has improved over last season. The flashbacks have gotten exponentially more interesting, especially with Juliet's and the recent Locke's that have shown, hey! we are actually 100% invested in these when they have a direct relation to the main narrative. I would rather have two 24-episode seasons and that's it as opposed to three shorter. The writers this season have proven that they can handle the full load after the sophomore slump. Oh well, take what you can get...
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but this will do. I'd say it's quite fortunate that the show is being allowed a finite run. And that it's creators don't have to stretch it out. The thing with the "filler" eps is that they sometimes advance the storyline in some unexpected way a few episodes down the line. It's pretty unprecedented for a network to effectively risk losing major bucks by finishing a series that's been such a cash cow. Good for them let's just hope they can work a suitable schedule out.
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jj jumped this sinking ship!
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...The concept of "show enjoyable, me watch" vs. "show not enjoyable, me change channel" and leaving it at that?
Seriously, if a former viewer is fed up with... whatever it is that pushes them away... then 'fare the well, former fellow traveller'.
As organized religeons wane in the western world (wane, mind you, not vanish or become irrelevant) and racial prejudices lesson (somewhat) are we so wired for conflict that we get into heated proto-crusades between the church of Lost-Good vs the temple of Lost-Bad?
Altho, admittedly, I'd like to see a jihad beween the militant 'Star Trek' & zealous 'Star Wars' fanatics thin out eachother's ranks abit. Don't they know it's all about 'Dune'? DUNIES PREVAIL!!!
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Looking at the hypothetical of taking season 3 and making it 16 instead of 22...First, it's not really cutting episodes compared with earlier rumors of two more full seasons (or a full one and a fifth short season - the short season thing has been mentioned before). Some of the stuff in season 3 could have ended up in season 4. And even if you do condense the season, you can do it not by cutting "episodes" but by covering the same material in fewer episodes. For season 3, from a flashback standpoint, I wouldn't miss the Sawyer, Sayid, or Locke (commune of pot growers?) flashbacks, or mind if they would have cut or combined the multiple kate, jack, Desmond and Sun/Jin ones. Here's my biggest complaint about the show, and what may be helped by the shorter seasons - the're running out of flashback material. If they would do more episodes without flashbacks or with on-island flashbacks like the last one, and simply devote fewer minutes per episode to flashback time and more to island time, that would help enormously. The best part of this whole thing is that with a timeline, now the writers can plan the arcs and pacing for the rest of the show. In this announcement, the producers said they have been holding back a bit since they didn't know how long it would have to last, and now they can start giving "answers" on a regular basis and not have to worry about running out before the show ends.
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Holy shit, some GREAT questions! Yeah, why WAS Libby in the coffee shop? I'm sure that the obvious answer - to get some goddamned COFFEE - isn't the whole story! Why aren't they telling us? The writers probably have no fucking CLUE what she was doing in a coffee shop, they're probably just making this shit up as they go. Some other questions you forgot:
What kind of shampoo did she use?
What's her alma mater?What is Libby's favorite color?Why did she make that FUNNY FACE that one time?When did she first realize she'd been shot?Was she mad at Michael for shooting her? Etc. Mmm. Questions, questions.
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I'm cool with trimming it down to 48 episodes. If there's only so much story to tell, better to do it without having to include too many filler episodes.
But ABC is screwing both us and themselves. Us because we have to wait three more years. And themselves because Lost is already coasting on the momentum it built up in Season 1. Ratings have been trending down over time for a while now. By drawing this out longer, they'll get lower total ratings over the final three years than they'd get over the final two. Big mistake on their part, IMHO. And, with only 16 eps per year, *every* bad episode is going to be magnified into something much worse. Remember the Dharma Van episode. Its bad enough that this was one of our 22 this year. Imagine it was one of only 16. The viewer revolt would have been much, much larger.
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You have no sense of humor. This show, which used to be good, has become a joke. I enjoy making fun of it. You seem like one of those annoying assholes who can't live with the fact anyone anywhere disagrees with you,(I bet you're a huge Jack fan). You and Jack obviously think of yourselves as godlike creatures better than the rest of us. A guy who bitches on a forum about people disagreeing with him on a forum needs to look up the word irony when he makes statements like "You actually go to a forum just to bitch and complain about a show with people in agreemen".
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a rabid fan boy. Two years ago or more I went in to a star wars fan site. And really if going your waste your time trying to debate what SITH actually stands for, then obviously you have too much time on your hands.
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Jack kicked his ass in their second encounter. Ethan just bested jack the first time. Remember, these survivors had been eating nothing but fruit and the occasional boar for weeks. They were tired, probably hungry, definitely emotionally wrecks, how hard is it to buy that someone who was in good shape managed to get the best of them? We may also find out that the others have some sort of enhancing injections or some shit, but right now, there's not that much evidence that the others were superior strength wise. they just seemed that way because the losties were so weak.
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indicates that the others have some sort of training regimin. How hard could it be to take out a pregnant girl and a tiny drug addict? Knock them both out and drag them. Hell, maybe Ethan had help. Same goes for fighting Jack. Jack simply wasn't ready for it.
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Variety likes to act like they're exclusive and shit with their made up words that often don't save any time at all. Whatever.
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I mean I know what a skein is, but it's still irritating. I can't even begin to imagine how that word came to mean a TV show...at least when they say The Alphabet, I get where that comes from. I still find that irritating though because the point of talking in code like that seems to be to shorten things, not lengthen them.
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...for having the fixed end point and the exact number of episodes the writers wanted? To have them spread out over 3 shorter series instead of 2 longer ones? Eh, I'll take that hit. Once it's over, it's over, so it's ok to have that be a year later.... cos once it's over, it's over.
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it'll disappoint most. Cant stop it. Cant wait for the first ever "million post talkback" for the final episode though! I love how the haters still watch it despite their bitching and moaning...
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It just comes off as pretentious.
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We're going to get sixteen episodes next season, then after realizing it was a dumb fucking move, we'll get thirty-two in a row the season after. While the ABC executives certainly have proven that they don't know a damn thing about running a network, they have at least demonstrated that they are willing to correct their mistakes.
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I apologize in response to your newest post and my previous rudeness. I don't own a cell phone and quite prefer both the Wire and the Shield to Lost. I also read plenty of novels. I just think, like a lot of people, this show has become a mess. I really enjoyed the first season, thought the second was alright, but have really found this current season poorly written often to the point to be laughable. I think there is only so much you can do on this island with these characters (most of the flashbacks have been horrid this season) and I really fail to see how three seasons will fail to help this.
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I'm one of the biggest Lost fans around. Absolutely love the show. But there is nothing on TV better than "The Wire," before or since its debut. Best piece of filmed entertainment ever created.
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it's an easy one when you think about it. The Island has a healing energy but the energy also enhances normal abilities. Ethan and The Others has been living with the islands effects a lot longer than the Losties had when he first attacked them but as the survivors have been on the island for quite a while their abilities are equal to those of the others, or maybe near to catching up.
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... that doesn't think LOST faltered AT ALL?
I mean, seriously, I don't see a problem with ANY Lost episode. Sure, there are some that I like more than others, but on the whole, I love the show. No mistakes. It's just the writers spinning their yarn in the way they see fit: I'm just along for the ride. There are great episodes, and there are slightly abysmal ones, but THAT's the show. There are some characters that you're thrilled with, and others (for instance, Jack) that get too much attention.
But I still have yet to come across a show I have liked more. Other shows may be entertaining, but I am ADDICTED to Lost. I love the plot arcs, I love the character development, and I love the overall mystery and mythology on the Island.
Sure, there are some points in Season 2 that were a little off, but the show made up for it by tying up all their loose ends (not mentioning Libby...) and with that explosive S2 Finale (especially for the Des fans, brutha).
Call me naive or whatnot, but I see nothing wrong with LOST, past/present/future. As long as Darlton are fine with this 3 Seasons/16 episodes plan, then I guess I'll go along with it.
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"I'm told by multiple sources inside ABC that the initial plan was to do two more seasons of Lost, with 24 episodes each; however, because of international deals already in place, Lost's producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse agreed to divvy up those remaining 48 episodes over three seasons. (A TV season must be a minimum of 16 episodes.)"
There you have it. They wanted 2 seasons, guys, it just didn't work out, probably for international syndication issues? Who knows. -
although ABC has said 16 eps per season, it doesn't mean that u could end up with 17 eps, like a 2 part finale each season. Remember the S1 finale was a 3 parter, so really, it should've been 21? episodes vs 24.
The other thing is that the fall season of Lost this year 3 was really messed up with so many hiatus between new eps which I personally disliked. With the advent of Tivo/DVR, it's easy to set season recordings so you don't miss an episode anymore.
Also, Babylon 5 was 5 seasons and had an ending arc. I think TV shows that delve into sci-fi need to have an arcing type story and have to finish it at some point. (think X-files). I know Stargate SG-1 has run long, but too long? maybe, maybe not. I enjoy the show, but luckily there's an iteration in Stargate Atlantis.
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that would have been cool...oh well.
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Nope, you are not alone! Lost isn't just good television, its GREAT entertainment and storytelling and there has NEVER been a single episode that lacked quality! I love all of the characters (including the Island) and I think it gets more interesting with every episode.
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If you've seen the Hanso video it speaks of a forumla that calculates when the humankind would go extinct from their own actions (war, pollution, disease, etc). If the calculation is set then that's that. Also, to the point that Others saw the plane crash thus the 815ers cannot be Dharma crew. We don't see that 815 is THE plane the others see crash. I still say that plane was empty.
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ABC wants 3 more seasons. The powers that be don't have 72 more episodes of story to tell...that is...without resulting to filler episodes. It's simple math...they only need 48 more eppys to finish the journey they have taken us on...and ABC wants to milk the cash cow for 3 more seasons. Every fan of Nip/Tuck, The Shield and The Sopranos deals with this programming model every year...Kudos to ABC for allowing Cuse & Lindeloff to tell the rest of their story on THEIR terms...and still have it fall in ABC's timeframe. It's truly a broadcast network first. This will mean tighter, more linear storylines...probably less flashbacks per episode, as the on-island action will need more screen time to develop. The budget for the extra 6 - 8 episodes they are NOT having to produce per season will get spread out over the the remaining 48. Which means bigger sets, better special effects, etc. The writers and production crew will be given more time between seasons to craft better episodes. It's a win for fans...bittersweet in the off season...but still a win. The secret is out...The Men Behind the Curtain have been circling around the island the past 2 seasons...instead of taking the faster direct trek ACROSS the island...precisely BECAUSE they didn't know when The Yellow Brick Road was going to end...they had to be careful not to reveal any major plot points too early...for fear they would run out of story and have to vamp for the remainder of their contracts or until everyone gave up on Lost and it got cancelled. Now that the blue print is firmly in place for the endgame...They can more clearly pinpoint EXACTLY where the next bombs and reveals can be placed in the overall story arc. We waited 3 years between the original Star Wars movies...and we ran back each time to lap up the Holy Goodness that Lucas served up. (Hopefully the long breaks in Lost will be more ANH, TESB & ROTJ than TPM, AOTC & ROTS). But knowing when the show will end was crucial to the storytelling process. Case closed.
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That's a first ... a complaint that there just isn't enough downtime between seasons ... yeah, that 5 month waiting period just FLIES by, doesn't it? Light bulb! We should make it an 8 month wait instead? Geez ...
Look, I'm gonna watch the show regardless because yes, it is the best show hands down. I'd rather watch Lost than anything else, given an option. But Lindleof and Cuse had it right on the first go -- five full seasons of 22-24 eps. That was the perfect news before this "official" shit. -
Personally, I'm with those that think this idea will kill the show or at least drastically run its ratings into the ground. Not because I don't think a 16 episode arc can't be stronger STORYWISE, but simply because I'd agree that IF the average viewer will now have to wait from May till the following January to see a new episode, with THAT big a gap taking place you're just going to have waaaaaaaay too many viewers saying "Oh, fuck it. They never answer questions anyway on this show, and now I'm supposed to wait a better part of a year to see the next chapter? Screw it. I'll just catch it on DVD once its ALL done or maybe I'll just watch the big finale when they finally get around to that." Not to mention a gap THAT big -- May to January -- leaves a helluva hole for the other networks or cable to create and air the next "hot new thing" that just unexpectedly takes off, must like HEROES took off and became a phenomenon that actually DID put a big dent into 24.Which brings us to money and the idea that ABC won't cancel this before it's time. Frankly you're CRAZY if you believe that. If the ratings tank next year during the first 16 episode run, you can damn well bet that ABC will be on the phone ASAP to the LOST creators and will simply say "Screw it. The ratings are way down, the momentum's gone, and now we're losing money. So you get next year's commitment of 16 to wrap it all up and then we'll cut our losses." Seriously, IF the ratings go south, ABC will have no trouble pulling the plug. What, you think they REALLY give a shit about the fans? Fuck that nonsense. We're talking about Disney and their network division here, and ALL they care about is cash rolling in. Once it shows a major sign of slowing up, regardless of any "3 year deal" that they're trumpeting today, they'd pull the plug in a heartbeat.And finally, I don't get people like Chief Brody who said "The budget for the extra 6-8 episodes they are NOT having to produce per season will get spread out over the the remaining 48. Which means bigger sets, better special effects, etc."Huh? What makes you think that ABC has ANY intention of spending the same budget that went into 22 on a lesser count of 16? At $2 million plus an episode, from ABC's point of view, the business BONUS of cutting 6 episodes per season means they'll now save $12 million a shot -- which means across the final 3 years they'll save close to $40 MILLION BUCKS. So you guys thinking this will mean EXTRA money are just kidding yourselves. ABC isn't looking to spend $40 million ANYWAY. They're hoping to NOT spend $40 million.The logic that LOST would still get the full money is a bit wacky. That's like saying you've made a deal with a studio to film a trilogy of movies LOTR style -- say $100 million a pop -- and then you go back to the studio and say "Ah, I changed my mind. I'm only going to make one movie now. But, hey, it'll be a kick ass movie since I have $300 million to spend!" But that's just nuts. OF COURSE the studio is going to say "Uh...no, it's STILL only $100 million a shot. If you're cutting out two of the films, then great. We just SAVED $200 million. So go make your movie and get out of my office now! And don't go over your $100 million budget or else!!!"
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you mean there were simultaneous crashes of commercial jetliners on the island? Dude, i thought Herc's theory was massively silly but that one takes a fucking prize.
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But how do you explain then that the crash had all the stuff that the survivors got in the plane with? (like Locke's chair, or the guns etc)
It is possible that the people we see now are Darhma empoloyees and they have been brainwashed to believe that they are the people on that plane (they even created false memories for them... flashbacks) And the bodies of the real passengers are in the site they found them all dead. Anyone has any thoughts on that?? -
It all makes sense now....
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Oh...sorry...my bad...ABC WANTS Lost to fail miserably...so they can put on more cheao "Bingo" shows. You're Abso-Frickin-Lutely right, Triumph Poops.
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the creators always intended on doing about 100 episodes most likely over the course of 5 seasons.
this 3 seasons of 16 eps ends up giving us well over 100 episodes and 2 full seasons worth with a few extra. So we are getting more then before and it will be totally focused from season to season with set goals that the creators want to deal with during each 16 episode block.
All year they can build to january-may lost returns etc. lost will now mainly go up against mid season replacement shows and with the great wor dof mouth lately, by the time season 3 is released on dvd fans will be able to come back and even new fans will have enough time to come on board.
It's a win win for everybody.
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The Tonight Show...Always better than Letterman.
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...To anyone who can make a Jack-centric Lost joke in the style of the annoying talky style used on "Speed Racer" in honor of Matthew Fox's casting as Racer X.
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Why are all these idiots whinging crap about whether the audience will still want to watch a sixteen episode season instead of a twenty-two episode season? It has been renewed. If YOU want to watch Lost until 2010, then YOU can. Stop your ludicrous clairvoyant delusions that you can accurately predict the viewing habits of millions of other people, who you arrogantly presume are far more stupid than you are. You can't. And they're not.
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...And I'll say it again.
This programming tactic will only be as good or bad as it's execution.
Anyone with a problem with the format on principle runs the risk of missing good TV.
And there are certainly many who will watch it under ANY format, regardless of average episode quality.
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Actually, in a world of what is it up to now, about seven billion people, I'm almost certain there are "millions of people far more stupid than me". Maybe more. I'm not saying I know what their viewing habits are...
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Jack may die on the show because the show will not die on Jack they say and they say Jack was fated to die the first day so yes Jack may die and I will be so sad if he dies but not too sad after all because then Sawyer will live, hah-hah, aaawwwww?
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...I think all the wacky DHARMA mind-screws are using the viewers as lab-rats, rather than the characters.
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Nice *nods head in amused approval*
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too long.
but that's only because it's been "meh" lately.
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and that during the purge he lost his eye.
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is supposedly someone we haven't met yet. Unless that's just a lie to throw us off.
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Just a minor point, these filler episodes such as Hurley's dharma van would'nt lead to questions like who's is roger the workman.Which by the way we should find out the answer tmw. So you could say these fillers are a necessary evil.
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By the way, Lost Series 3 will be out around Sept on DVD so something to do in between now and 2008 series 4
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That's what I usually do with the breaks...
The show is super digestible when they have the DVD sets. Weak episodes aren't even considered weak, because the one after is usually aces.
I'm yo pusha.
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Now that's a great idea! RAZZLE-DAZZLE!!!
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So don't put words in my mouth. What I SAID was that it was wrong to assume that ABC was going to trim the season by 6, but still spend the SAME amount of money as if they were making 22. This idea that any money which gets saved by NOT filming 6 will instantly be shoveled into the other 16, bumping up their budgets, is just a pipe dream -- or at least it is until we hear official word from the network that that's what they intend to do.As I said, trimming the 6 may make the creative side happy -- after all now they can do less filler and concentrate instead on tightening up the show overall -- but from ABC's business side of the things, the whole POINT of things (or perhaps I should say the "positive" that comes out of this) is that now they're going to obviously SAVE some serious coin and clearly be able to pocket whatever production costs they now DON'T have to spend. Come on, Chief, that's just Hollywood Accounting 101. Hell, that's ANY business 101.And let's face it, regardless of the show being a hit...regardless of ABC wanting it to stay high in the ratings or wanting it to run however many years...it's still a well-known, well-reported fact that the one thing ABC DOESN'T like about LOST is its inherent high production costs for shooting on location in Hawaii, particularly since it involves such a large core cast.So I never said ABC wanted it to fail. I just said some of the people here -- you included -- are sort of daydreaming over this idea that ABC will now take the budget for 22 episodes and keep it exactly the same, only now they'll divide it by 16.
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May 08, 2007 11:06:57 PM CDT
"Lost" is allegedly a one hour drama on the ABC network
by napoleon park
Does the glass fit?
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It's said a pessimist sees the glass half empty, an optimist sees the glass half full and a realist sees that the wrong sized glass is being used.
Sometimes I am a pessimist, I strive to be an optimist, but often I find I am a realist.
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The creators of "Lost" wanted a specific end date and much is being made of the fact that this allows them to plan out their story arc to a satisfactory conclusion. The glass half full view is ignored: by setting a specific and contractual end date the network is implicitly guaranteeing not to cancel the show before that conclusion can be reached - a promise I imagine many other shows would love to receive.
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The creators of Lost wanted two years. Ideally a major American broadcasting company would prefer to not cancel a program while it is making a profit. A compromise was reached and three years agreed upon.
It was felt interruptions, pre-emptions, delays, reruns, postponements and hiatuses - hiati? - disrupted the flow and momentum of the show. The network agreed to show an entire season - three seasons - of episodes consecutively. The creators wanted two years of 24, the network countered with three seasons of 16. The total is 48 either way. At one point the creators of lost wished for 100 episodes - the bare bones minimum to cut a profitable syndication deal. The network worked them up to... well, the numbers 120 and 119 have both been quoted in media coverage.
So it was a successful negotiation. Both sides had demands and wants, concessions and compromises were reached and a deal was struck. Contracts were signed and the deal was concluded.
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This was entirely a negotiation between Show and Network. The general public, the shows fans, it's target demographic, the critics and publications who have supported the show, the online critics at Ain't It Cool News and other media web sites and the membership of the Yahoo! media discussion groups I moderate such as Jump The shark and Napoleon.Park had no place in these discussions. I certainly did not.
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It would be entirely presumptuous of me to make a demand or request a specific clause in the contract and since, as I said, the deal has been struck, it would be too late for me to ask that both the show and the network make a specific concession towards the publics needs and desires or my own personal wants.
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However, here it is. I would ask that the creators of the television series "Lost" and the American Broadcasting Network agree that the program "Lost" shall be exactly what it claims to be: a one hour drama. Which is to say, a 42.5 minute block of programming, plus advertisements and network promotions and station breaks, that actually fits within the sixty (60) minute period for which it is scheduled to be broadcast. No 61, 62, 63, 64 or 65 minute episodes. No starting several minutes late to accommodate a 'super-sized' program shown before it, no ending 2 or 5 or 8 minutes late and encroaching on the time of the show following it.
They have done a good job of keeping the show within it's time slot during the partial post-hiatus season that the show has been shown in the 10:00 pm est to 11:00 time slot. I understand that one of the clauses in the contract negotiation involved the network moving the program back to one of its earlier time slots, either 8:00 or 9:00 pm est. I would like to believe that regardless of whether the shows cut off time is the end of prime time viewing hours or not, that they can do that one simple thing: create a so-called one hour show with no excess so that it airs in a one hour time slot.
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I think that is a reasonable enough thing to ask.
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Triumph...You don't think ABC wants Lost on during the ever important NOVEMBER SWEEPS period? They would pay thru the NOSE to have Lost for November. But when TPTB said...we just can't do it...we don't have enuff story left...and the production schedule is just too tight to produce 22-24 episodes per season...we just can't keep up. So, ABC took the hit for November in exchange for getting Lost for one more season longer. That doesn't mean they did this move to save money! Lost is budgeted for 22-24 episodes/season...Sure...they will save SOME $$$ by only producing 16 each season...but I have to believe that they aren't going to allot TPTB a few extra $$$ per season (from that saved $$$) to let them build a fuckin' awesome "Magic Box" that Ben keeps talkin about (I know it's a metaphor!!)...or perhaps a WHOLE four toed statue....or at least fork over some extra $$$ for some awesome Smokey special effects. I'm just saying...the MORE they SPEND on Lost...the better each episode will be. I don't see ABC tightening the purse strings on it anytime soon. Now...if no viewers show up next February for the Season 4 premiere...THEN you can talk about ABC trimming the budget drastically. I'm taking the "spend $$$ to make $$$" business plan...but I'm not "daydreaming".
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The Others set up camp near living quarters called "the old place" which consists of a few small bungalow-type structures with a larger one just off to the side in a heavily wooded section. We can also make out other cracked pillars similiar to the one that Anthony Cooper was strapped to previously.
John Locke makes his way to the new encampment with his sacrifice slung over his shoulder. The Others take notice as he comes sauntering in and drops the tarp-covered body on the ground at Ben's feet. Ben looks surprised but Alpert seems pleased that John has returned. John Locke calls Ben on his promise and Ben takes him to the larger bungalow to meet "Him" who will explain all.
John enters a room where Jacob is. Jacob is situated near the back of the room in the darkness, but we can make out what appears to be a male silhouette. A light shines on John and the voice of Jacob tells him to close the door behind him. We see Ben standing in the doorway and he looks upset as the door slowly closes in front of him.
We learn in flashbacks near the end of the episode that Richard Alpert lives up to his namesake as he is revealed to be the mysterious Jacob who has even Ben fooled.
The Game Changer (Through The Looking Glass)
Set-up: We see various Jack flashbacks in Australia as he's collecting his fathers body for transport back to the U.S. Nothing special, with the exception that he requests to look at the hospital records and notices his fathers death was not alcohol related.
Key forward to the last flashback as Jack remembers something right after the plane crash but before he woke up in the jungle. We see from Jack's viewpoint that he's in some sort of large complex surrounded by a dozen or so people who are not the Others we've come to know (they're wearing tan DHARMA jumpsuits with the familiar logo which has an eye in the center).
He's then rolled on a medical stretcher thru a long corridor flanked on each side by two females (blond, brunette) and one male (older, mid-forties and stern looking). He's taken outside from what appears to be another hidden station (rabbit hole) that's never been discovered or mapped, and we can see Vincent lying on the ground and he appears to be knocked out as they pass him by. Jack's eyes are barely open and he seems to be in pain from his injury, but he's able to hazily watch at the three mysterious people lift him off the stretcher and place him on the ground. They inject him in the neck and he falls asleep. The next part we see a close-up of Jack's eye as he wakes up just as he did in the pilot.
Meanwhile other events are unfolding realtime. Something is flying above the island surveying various areas that we're familiar with. At first we're led to believe it's a rescue from Naomi's ship but it's not. From an aerial viewpoint above we can see an outline of the EYE station opening below and the same people who took Jack are standing outside, looking up as if they're waiting. -
I don't know where you're getting this information from or if it's even true... but posting spoilers IN the subject heading is most uncool.
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And whilst it was entertaining, they didn't even show a clip of lost, much too my dismay. Matthew Fox as always a gentleman, and Leno always a hilarious comedian.
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till this weeks episode airs. Is this the penultimate or whatever episode?
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The finale would be the ultimate, next week's would be the penultimate, so I guess that makes this week's the antepenultimate.
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It's 2 AM, Let's Talk about LOST baby!!! OOPS I Fell
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Let's get with the program ;-)
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refer to subject
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I can live with that, and not that the whole thing was a purgatory, death, afterlife, time travellin pile of crap...
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So, where's the _real_ Lost talkback?
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there is no _real_ Lost talkback.....
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May 09, 2007 8:44:54 AM CDT
But if there is no real talkback what will we do?
by fount of useless info
We can't have people making fun of Herc's summary. We won't know how it ends, spoiler boy. We won't know if Bai Ling is in it.
Where will Cap'n Jack go to repost the Insiderscoop spoiler?
Where will people go to complain about Cap'n Jack posting the spoiler?
Where will the people who want to rant about wasting an hour every Wednesday go to complain that they are forced to watch the show even though it sucks?
How am I supposed to waste an entire day of work? Do you expect me to get things done on a Wednesday? -
Tell me about it - is there a medical/psychiatric term for Addiction to Useless Information?
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I really really do wonder where oh where could Herc's Summary, spoilers, etc. are? Where Herc Where?
I Hope nothings wrong -
Jay Leno can suck my wang and his chin can massage my sack.. all about the Letterman!!
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I'm wondering the same thing.. where is the ep summary!!
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am schviting like a schmedink c'mon Herc where are ya? So we can the Lost TB rolling once again. Only 2 more TB to look forward to till series end.
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season ends!
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my mistake!
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LG is backtracking now, but that was our big spoiler for the day. He knows the truth! (Ok, fine maybe it was a typo.)
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"Damon and I are willing to go out on a limb and ding that theory," Carlton Cuse says. "They are not clones."
"They're not — I repeat, not — dead."
Both from Ask Ausiello today. So officially from DL/CC: they aren't clones and they aren't dead. Hopefully that will end the discussion (it won't). -
Time Travel or Alternate Dimensions...
Could the Losties have crossed the Eistein-Rosenberg Bridge
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Ever hear that DL/CC say that this Jacob will be someone we'll not have seen before? But if you look at the castlist for tonights esp theres no one new there playing Jacob. So based on that I say Jacob probably physically doesnt exist.. but naturally maybe find out tonight.
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...an Apple iMac. The computer in the hatch was Windows.
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Not possible. They would need more than a connection link dish to commute with the regular world. Maybe its Bermuda Triangle type place.
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I've never heard them say that or read it. I've only read it in talkbacks and I think it might be a misquote/misinterpretation.
Here is a quote about Jacob from Entertainment Weekly: "Who's playing this character — someone new, or someone we know?
LINDELOF: We're not going to answer that."
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Here's a link to the podcast. I think this is the one you're referring to: http://tinyurl.com/22eqks
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Ok, I wnet back to the podcast that people point to as the source of the "Jacob is someone we haven't seen before" theory, and listened for anything having to do with it. Here is what I found:
DL reads a question relating Cobra in "Expose" to Jacob and asks if we can assume that Jacob is someone we saw before, and that it will be a shock when we it is revealed? CC: "It would be awesome if Jacob turned out to be Billy Dee Williams, but it's not true."
DL: "It would be a shock all right, that's for sure."
CC: "It would be a shock, yeah."
That's the end of that topic, so they do not answer the question. No answer is ever given to if we have seen Jacob before. They have dodged the question on more than one occasion, and I cannot find definitive proof that they ever didn't dodge the question. So, I don't see that we know if Jacob is hiding in plain sight or a brand new character. (or non-existent) I guess we'll find out for sure in about 9 and a half hours. -
Yes, that's the one I was referencing.
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So Jacob could be Jack or Ben. I can't wait to watch tonight. He will be revealed won't he?
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So Jacob could be Jack or Ben. I can't wait to watch tonight. He will be revealed won't he?
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ororo thats the $64,000 question. I think he either doesnt physically exist or hes an existing character.
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That's what they say. According to a preview clip, Locke thinks (and I agree) that he doesn't exist.
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and he is actually Ben
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Ben has been ruling on his behalf. Ben is the only one he talks to... so Jacob talks through him.
I am taking back my J.A.C.O.B theory.
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Rather like the management in Carnivale eh..bloody hell how much longer do we have to wait for Herc's esp review/rundown. I have things to do like scratch my balls and drink beer.
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Ordinarily I usually skip over your insider scoop post, but with no Herc so thanks Cap'n Jack. Also for not telling us abt Jacob. Smart move cos I wanna see that bit meself.
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I have gone blind from the spoilers.
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LG: That's funny, I've been making the management comparison for a while and just told someone else that the two were extremely similar.
Jack: I see the spoiler is finally up. Now I have to see if my willpower will last long enough to get me to 10:00 without reading. -
I both love and hate you!
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"Now I have to see if my willpower will last long enough to get me to 10:00 without reading."
10:00, 2:00 what's the difference. Stupid lack of willpower.
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