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AICN Comics: Ambush Bug -vs- SPIDER-MAN 3!


Hey folks, Ambush Bug here from AICN Comics. I debated long and hard about writing this review. I read a lot of the reviews posted on this site of SPIDER-MAN 3 and found myself agreeing with most of them after seeing the film last night. I pondered whether or not it would be worth it to toss in my two cents about the flick and what I could bring to the arena that others didn’t say in their reviews. Having read Spider-Man comics for the past twenty some years certainly made me qualified to give my opinion, but honestly, it was that aching feeling in my gut that I got halfway through the film and lingered with me all through the next day that made me sit down at the keyboard and tap out something a little different than my usual comic book reviews for AICN Comics, yet different still from the other look-see’s that some of the other AICNers have posted on this website.
Basically, what it comes down to is the fact that this movie left me utterly disappointed.
From the very first scene, I found myself feeling a sense of dread. The film kicks off practically seconds after the last film ended (which in my opinion was the most perfect SPIDER-MAN film to date). Everything is peachy for Pete. He’s dating a Broadway singer. He’s selling Spidey pics at the Daily Bugle. He’s doing great in school and Spidey’s popularity is at an all time high. For the first time in Pete’s life, everything is going ok. But readers of the comics and moviegoers alike know that happiness is always fleeting.
During the first five minutes, I felt a bit overwhelmed. The script hits the ground running, but not in a good way. Characters just walk into screen with little or no “grand entrance” (something which should happen whether or not the character has been in the first two films or not). Everyone just kind of clomps into shot. In the first two films, the characters sprang onto the screen. In this one, every character (even the always entertaining JK Simmons as JJJameson) just kind of lurches into the story as if they are on their way into work on Monday after a long weekend of partying. Everyone seemed as if they had something better to do than give the energy that was good in part one and great in part two. MJ’s entrance especially, which consisted of an awful lip synching routine, lacked any type of electricity. The entire movie just kind of starts without the faint hint of a promise that you’re in for a good time.
Pretty soon the contrivances start. A symbiote-carrying meteor crashes to earth right near where Peter and MJ are gazing at the stars. An escaped con, Flint Marko, just happens to fall into a scientific testing facility while fleeing the police and becomes the Sandman when his molecules are bonded with the sand around him. This didn’t really bother me though. These are the types of contrivances that comics are made of. Lab accidents, twists of fate, unexpected turns that result in major challenges for our hero.
But there is a difference between contrivance and downright sloppy. Contrivances I can forgive if it serves as an homage or is somewhat faithful to the source material (which the above contrivances were). But sloppy storytelling is sloppy storytelling any way you slice it. There were scenes in this film so sloppy that you needed a bib and a wet nap. Sloppy editing: At the very beginning, Peter sees Harry leaving the Broadway show MJ is performing in and has words with his former best friend. End scene and somehow Peter is now backstage with MJ. Sloppy sound: The music sequence between Emo Pete and Harry in his mansion is cartoony and lacked any of the punch of the rest of music for the fight scenes in the film. Sloppy storytelling: Harry shows up in the third act sporting a scar when the audience wasn’t even made privy to the fact that he survived the earlier confrontation. Sloppy effects: Even the CGI fights between Harry and Spidey were often blurry or moved so quickly that you didn’t know what the hell was going on. Sloppy ending: The film just kind of ends, as if Raimi and Co. knew they had no idea how to wrap everything up and broke camp as soon as possible without a cool effects shot of Spidey swinging through the streets of NY or anything. And finally, the unforgivable: Don’t get me started on 3rd Act Expository Butler, Aunt May showing up juuuuust at the right moment to give Peter advice, and that fact that the entire cast cries so much in this one that it should be titled CUTTIN’ ONIONS: THE MOVIE.
And is it a bad thing that the Goblin riding a customized snowboard was the least of my worries while watching this film? Yes, my friend. Indeed it is. Complaining about that is like complaining about a hair in your shit sandwich. They got the look of the Goblin wrong in the first one, and despite the fact that they were pretty faithful in their adaptations of Sandman and Venom, they continued to get the Goblin wrong here. But I’ve accepted that fact long ago, kind of the same way I accepted the fact that my dog’s leg will never grow back.
But the sloppiest part of all was the under-utilization of the toys that Raimi and the scripters had at their disposal. Why not show Peter becoming darker in action rather than with awful dance routines? I know the “Pete’s a walkin’” scenes have been a tradition through the entire franchise, but did we really need to see it twice in this one? And the phone tag that goes on in this film is out of control. Characters dart around and bump into each other like water bugs in a bucket with little or no motivation other than to shove the plot along.
Instead of highlighting Emo Pete, why not show how powerful the suit made him? The wrong scenes (like the Jazz Club sequence) go on way too long and the right scenes are rushed through. Peter says he’s become more powerful, but we never really see it on screen. I understand shortcuts have to be made to make a film; especially an adaptation of a monthly comic book, but why undermine the relevance of the symbiote’s bonding to Peter? Why not extend that scene to have Peter try a few times to get the suit off, only to find it back on him. Why not clue MJ in on the fact that the suit is bringing out the dark side of his character. That builds something called suspense. Raimi’s familiar with it. I just saw A SIMPLE PLAN again the other night on cable. He gets it. Showing how the suit was hard to get off a few times. Highlighting the strong bond it formed with Peter would have highlighted the more horrific aspects of the suit and make the danger more palpable. Remember horror, Raimi? You used to do it pretty good. And I’m not talking about the horror of seeing Tobey McGuire dance.
So in the end, this movie turned out to be what everyone feared; too much packed into one film. It’s as if they knew halfway through that they didn’t want to pace this to please anyone and just wanted to get the franchise over with and fill it with as much crap as possible. The love story is completely misguided. It’s as if MJ and not Peter is wearing the black suit since she’s the one who gets jealous, cheats on Peter with Harry, and basically proves that she doesn’t have the self confidence that it takes to be the girl Spider-Man is dating. Gwen Stacy was completely under-utilized and unnecessary. Topher Grace was great as Brock, but once he became Venom, all style and grace left the building. Thomas Hayden Church’s Sandman was fun, but the way the character ended up was both wrong and unsatisfying. And although this was James Franco’s best performance I’ve seen (which isn’t saying much), he still hams it up to the point of ridiculousness.
And the audience I saw it with wasn’t too thrilled with the film either. There were a few serious moments where the audiences burst out in laughter at how bad it was. As a fan of Spidey, I felt embarrassed. Any time Emo Pete appeared, the audience couldn’t help but giggle at his Fallout Boy haircut. But it wasn’t until the close up shot of Tobey McGuire at the end where he cries and winces as if he had eaten something that I ate and dropped from my @$$ that the audience roared out in laughter. This was supposed to be one of the most dramatic scenes in the film. A character of great significance to Pete had just died. It was not a good moment for the audience to be guffawing, but it happened.
What pisses me off the most about this film is that a ga-jillion people will be seeing it. This is what people think a comic book is like. People will notice the sloppiness and shallow characters and Swiss Cheese-like continuity and plot, and shrug their shoulders and say “Well, it is a comic book movie.” And that pisses me the hell off. I’ve read comic books since I was eight years old. And during that time, Spidey has always been in my pull, so I guess I qualify as some type of aficionado. Although Marvel’s current line of Spidey comics are pretty darn awful these days, Spider-Man has been the star of some of the richest and most well told stories in comics history. I understand that the Cliff Notes version of a comic book story has to be used to fit it all into a nice two-hour package. But this movie plays like the Cliff Notes version of SPIDER-MAN stories rewritten by the cast of THE OTHER SISTER.
I love Spider-Man. I love the first two movies. And there are moments in this film that are genuinely cool (most of them involving Thomas Hayden Church, pre-Venom Topher Grace, and of course, Bruce Campbell). But they should have saved Venom for a sequel instead of caboosing him in at the end. They should have beefed up Gwen’s part and gotten rid of the dance sequences and phone calls. They should have played up the horror and utilized the characters’ powers and personalities instead of making a melodramatic soap opera with action sequences awkwardly smooshed in. It seemed as if the magic was gone in this film.
Maybe it was because Avi Arad forced Raimi to use Venom when he admitted that he did not like the character. Maybe it was because the stars were starting to feel as if the films were beneath them. Or maybe it was because the script was the weakest of the series. Whatever it was, the heart that was there in the first film and grew to epic proportions in the second was never present here. Even the best parts of this film weren’t as good as the worst parts of the other two.
For the future of this franchise, I hope for one of two things: for someone new and fresh to come onto this series to write and direct and revitalize the series…
OR…
for Raimi to take a break and return when he wants to make a worthy sequel to his AMAZING and SPECTACULAR first two installments.
One more hope: that Kraven the Hunter and the Lizard will show up in the next one. Anyone who read KRAVEN’S LAST HUNT knows that this would be an amazing film and it’s the one I’ve been waiting to see from the beginning.
A Bug can dream, can’t he?
Oh, and one last thing.

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  • May 5, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    FIRST!

    by darthbauer

    Yay...or second prol' now or third. Whatever...yawn.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I thought the movie was great...

    by corvette63

    It was definitely better than Superman III, the third Batman movie, X-men 3 and definitely the third Blade. Yes, It was a character driven movie but the fight scenes kicked ass. One of my first comics was Web of Spiderman #1 and it was awesome for me to see so many of the things I love about Spidey up on the big screen.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    i wish i had a butler

    by whatyoufear

    and a fallout boy haircut

  • May 5, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Perfectly said

    by Keo

    This movie did so many things wrong, it was mind boggling. But Ambush Bug hits it right on the head here and lists them all. I never thought a film could fall apart like that. At least Batman & Robin was bad from the start.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    ya know...

    by Lt. Kaffee

    i've never been huge on the spider movies. but everytime a trailer came out for a new one i knew was in for the long haul and gonna see it theatrically. Interesting point though... my ex used to loooove the goofy/bizarre aspects of the first two films... and i gotta wonder if to those unfamiliar with comic books... the talking green goblin mask... the "raindrops" walkin' peter... and rest actually attract some viewers.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    There was a lot wrong

    by GrandpaUlrira

    but I thought the first half of the movie hit all the right notes. The birth of Sandman was just beautiful. But the end just lost any touch of the grounding in reality that made the first two movies so great, and the giant, stupid Sandman at the end (outta The Mummy Returns), the pretty shitty Venom, and the whole buddies together ("by the way, I know you spent the last one and a half movies brooding over this, but your daddy killed himself. Sorry for not mentioning it before. If you look at Spidey 1.5, you can see my hand reaching up from under the bed and cleaning the wound while you're emoting") just screwed things up too badly. And why the hell would Spidey date the jealous and selfish MJ over the cute cookie girl or Miss Brant anyway?

  • May 5, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Movie sucked ass

    by Horace Cox

    I've never been that bored in a theater. If more Spidey movies are to come, they need to restart from scratch with all new talent who will show enthusiasm about the character and embrace the possibilities a good Spidey story can offer. The new actors in 3 gave it their best shot but they aren't given anything meaningful or significant to do so they are relegated to glorified extras. Raimi and company phoned it in on this one. What a waste of time and money.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    A PERFECT REVIEW.

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    Since seeing this monstrosity a few hours ago, I've been thinking about putting my thoughts on a blog, or review site, anything... but there's really no need since you nailed every single thought I've just had. Thank you for this spot-on, perfectly written review of the biggest, 300-million-dollar-dissappointment of my life. These guys just raped some of the coolest moments in reading comics of my childhood. What a horrible, horrible day to be a life-long comic book fan. Keep the faith for part 4, brother, I'm with you on the Kraven note. Take care.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Good review Ambush, though

    by Lando Griffin

    I wish we were all singing its praises at this point rather than talking about what could've been and what may be next

  • May 5, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    If you noticed...

    by LordEnigma

    Venom is not technically dead. There is a little bit of symbiote left. If I remember correctly, that could be enough to bring him back. ALso, Sandman, is not dead. This film...technically...kept it's two villians alive. Which was a nice touch. However, again, this is very much in the vein of the Spidey stories driven by his life and not by the action. He feels his life is going great, then it falls apart. It takes everything in this movie for Spidey and Mary Jane to grow up. Harry was doomed by his own revenged. However, a fourth film, now has a set-up of a grown Pete and Mary Jane. If they want to use it, and Spidey does dance asshole. What do you call fucking Black Cat? Now that's danciN!

  • May 5, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    ^ I agree

    by misnomer

    pevlis thrusting, and the jazz club scene were great. I do agree with the reviewer that the movie didnt give enough screentime to a number of elements and too much to weaker parts (pete/mj especially)

  • May 5, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Comic Geeks ARE NOT the audience

    by antonphd

    I read comics since I was a little kid, now I make video games. For my birthday the other day I got myself a couple graphic novels along with my new punching bag. So, ok, I'm not a comic geek, but I do still love them. Spiderman was always my favorite by far. Now, I understand the disappointment in the film. It's just not something anyone who isn't a comic geek is feeling. The crying bothers guys, but crying in any movie bother guys. This movie wasn't made just to satisfy the comic geeks. It has many many many many touches that are for comic geeks clearly, you know that's true, but it was made for the billion dollar audience. Personally, I find that the soap opera drama of this movie is the most mature of the 3. It's not as tight as the other 3 that's clear. It's too bad that you can't enjoy it like everyone else. I know people say it's a matter of the general movie public not having good taste that they are loving it(and they are, midnight geek heavy shows are 180% different from the general audiences this weekend) but you have to consider that geeks don't have good taste to begin with. It's sad, because the movie is a B and because it's not an A the one group who should enjoy it most doesn't. Maybe... maybe because you're not a little kid and this movie is for little kids. Maybe... maybe because you want Kraven the hunter and Lizard(as do I) and there's no fucking way that will happen in a family movie. Spiderman got as dark as he'll ever be in this movie. They could NOT go darker without losing parents approval of the movie. And let's face it... just because you and I still read comics as adults, doesn't mean that the movies should be gears toward us 1%-2%. Anyway, I liked it much more the second time, when my expectations were gone and I could just enjoy the movie. I think you will too. It's not a bad movie, just doesn't stack up to the 1st two. There it is. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. Sex with just you and your girlfriend/wife after a threesome with that hot chick at christmas can still be fun.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    i can see where you're coming from

    by allyousay

    but I disagree to a point. True, it had its faults, but still, it was a kick ass movie. They did an excellant job on Venom and Sandman, but I do have to concede on the fact that they should've shown more darkness through the suit instead of through the person. Perhaps they should've shown Spidey becoming an excuitioner on some small-time thugs after he "kills" Sandman. The ending though...the VERY ending...the MJ/Peter ending....SHOULD. NOT. HAVE. HAPPENED. It was tacked on, pointless, and completely ruined the awesome ending that would've happend with Pete's signature monologue.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    SO embarassed to be a fanboy...

    by Audets70

    I will admit...Im a fanboy, but I want OUT of the club!!! You guys are just a disgrace. Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch. ALl most of you ever do. Gotta wonder how one can go thru life NOT LIKING ANYTHING?? I am so fucking sick of this sloppy editing shit being shovled at Spidey 3!!! Where were at you jackasses bitching about the awful editing in RETURN OF THE KING and its 30 endings??? And that piece of shit won an editing oscar and you all cheered? Double standard much? THis review 100% lost me when he said it was sloppy editing to see Peter outside talking to Harry and then the next scene hes backstage. That HAS to be the lamest bash on Spidey 3 I have heard yet...and Ive heard so many stupid ones. Did this Comic reviewer REALLY need an extra scene showing Pete go back into the bulding and get backstage to see his girl? WTF? If that scene HAD been in the film, the reviewer would be bitching cause they didnt need to have it, cause even a mentally challenged 2 year old could figure it out without seeing it. You fanboys...especially on this site...have just been downright sicking in the last year. THe bitching about EVRYTHING that doenst involve gay midgets walking is beyond annoying.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Someone Call Chris Nolan

    by Liberty Valance

    For we are in dire need of a "Spider-Man Begins." For the majority of this movie I sat staring blankly at the screen with mouth agape, utterly horrified at what unfolded before my eyes. The incessant weeping, the contrived plot devices (amnesia..are you fucking serious?), the criminally underdeveloped villains, the muddled fight sequences, the atrocious script, the absebce of comic relief from J. Jonah Jameson. Then throw in that they abritrarily killed off another great villain after a lifespan of about 45 minutes. This series needs fresh blood. A new Spidey, a new director and a screenwriter under 80 years old would be a good start. RIP Spider-Man.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Missed opportunity with the dance scene

    by SoupDragon

    That whole segment was crying out for a Hypno Hustler cameo.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    on sandman. peters parents

    by iwontwin

    the reason sandman was sent to prison, is because he was hired to kill ben parker, who was a spy. Peter Parker's parents were spys in the cold war, and peter parker is part of some cloning experiment gone haywire. thats why you never see his mom and dad. The sandman ran to the only military base he knew could corroborate his story, but ended up hiding in one of their experiments.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    I dug it, but don't read comics much.

    by kikuchiyoboy

    The audience seemed split. Some seemed to have dug it and some seemed to have been VERY underwhelmed. I actually really dug it. It was all about Parker. It was a journey through the heart and soul of a superhero. Eventhough, the script wasn't well thought out and quite a few things seemed to fit too neatly. But what Sam Raimi, editor Bob Murawski and the actors brought to the screen was a wonderful kaleidoscope of images and emotions. They took a slam bam frenetic script and somehow managed it to squeeze out a single story about the growth of Peter Parker and the Superhero within. <br> <br> I could see why a lot of people won't dig this. There's story lines and character developents coming in from all angles, but it isn't about them. It's like a painting buy Picasso. I'm not saying this film is fine art. But what I am saying is that you have all these different sections that are expressing different sides of power. It's a view of a superhero through a prism. It's one giant collective. It's all about the bits and pieces. The full picture isn't recognized until you take a step back. Once again it's all Parker. <br> It's jump from slapstic to very soapy style moments help mold the overall emotional tone. It's much how we are in life. There's no easy line between good and bad. There are wonderful surreal moments in our lives mixed in with real dark moments. It's not linear. Things just come at you at all sides. Life is one big jumbled collection of memories twirling around in the now. It's not till you take a breather from where you are at this very moment that you can put things into perspective. I thought this movie kind of captured that. Maybe without even knowing it captured that. Much like" Buffy the Vampire Slayer" it translated the emotional core of people's lives into a heightened reality. But that's how it is in life sometimes. Sometime something comes out from left feild that it feels so surreal you become third person. Then moments after it hits you. <br> <br> Spiderman 3 was one fun ride. It was different from the average comic book or action film. It was more about the journey of the character. There was no real plot. It was just a crazy day in the life a superhero or that is Peter Parker. <br> <br> I don't deny that there are MANY tparts about the script that are squint inducing. Overall I like the impression of the characterof Spidey. Like I said I'm not a huge comic book reader. I only recently got back into it again. I read things like Fell, 30 Days of Night, X-23, Buffy and whatnot. So I know the writing doesn't reflect the comic book world. I don't know if the average movie goer thinks that. For one reason. There are many MANY shitty action films out there today that get the happy pat on the back by movie goers. I don't think they care about the source. Only if the media or reviewers emphasize that it's a comic book movie is when they think of it as one. <br> <br> I don't know. That's just my opinion. Reading these reviews I can see why they didn't like it. I don't have any real connection to the Spidey world, but dug what they were trying with this film. It's a Hollywood version and a completely seperate entity. But there's enough moments that Sam Raimi pulled through to give it an interesting overall picture. It's not for everyone, but I obviously dug it. Besides who am I, but one lone ticket buyer?

  • May 5, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    LordEnigma

    by antonphd

    I agree 100% about Peter finally becoming a grown up in this movie. That ending was way beyond what I ever expected out of a Spiderman or any comic book movie. Best ending in any fantasy movie period in my opinion. Utter beauty. I know exactly how it feels to be in that position that Mary Jane and Peter are in the end and it was the most real and mature moment. I was just so gutted by it when I saw it the second time. The first I was waiting for the last moment of swinging spidey and was kinda disappointed. But the second time... I was just... wow... how the fuck did a moment that deep end up in a spiderman movie?? That's not even shit you get in any american movies. Definitley felt like Peter and Mary Jane were very much real and learning to grow up together. Forgiving each other after what they did... and it does happen just like that... except you have the make up sex on the table... but the looks they had and the way they were vulnerable and insecure as they open themselves back up to each other. Great moment. I don't expect it to be lived up to in sequels though. I think Raimi ended his trilogy on a moment he could feel proud of, even if geeks can't see it yet. They will.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    if The Borg saw SpiderMan 3, would they like it?

    by Boomers_Lips

    if The Borg went to the movies and saw SpiderMan 3, do you think they would like it?

  • May 5, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Just keep the maximum number of villains to one

    by Doc_Strange

    Problem solved.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE

    by TotallyGayForChristianBale

    I went through and told my friends exactly what I would have done, and they agreed that that would have made more sense and worked better thematically. I would have started the movie with Peter being very organized and fastidious with his life now, like he's got everything in order. He makes sure he's on time to see MJ's show, and all that. More or less identical to how this movie starts off. I would abandon all the NYC <3's Spider-Man bullshit. The Harry and Peter battle was good, but I would not have Harry wake up with amnesia. I would have Peter flat-out kill him. If Peter did that, he knew he would have to cover it up, he knew he wouldn't be able to tell anyone. That's how he becomes introverted. He then becomes completely invested into Spider-Man. He's ashamed of Peter and he literally hides under that mask. After that there would be a solid 30 minute continuous action set-piece where we introduce Sandman and take care of him. Use montage elements and make it feel like time is passing. That was another problem with the film. How much fucking time passed here? Because Peter almost flat-out killed Harry with that grenade, but seemingly a week later he's got scarring that looks nothing like burns, his ear is fine and his eye is cloudy, when it should be fucking gone. Anyway, I would show-off Spidey. The fucking title of this trilogy is SPIDER-MAN, not The Peter Parker and Mary Jane Weepy Show. I would also have abandoned the whole true uncle Ben killer subplot, and the dying daughter subplot. I would have used Sandman as another set-piece. He's a motherfucker made out of sand and he robs people. He doesn't need motivation. I also would not have done his retarded origin like that, how convenient that he's running from cops in a marsh land, jumps a fence and happens to land in this particle accelerator. I would have had him start out on death row, and they recruit him for this experiment, and because of what happens he escapes. That's how I would have handled that. I would have introduced the symbiote as something that Spidey encounters in Doc Connors lab. The alien element and the fucking coincidence of it landing right next to Spider-Man is too far a retarded stretch. After working so hard, and being in the suit all the time..I'm talking about sleeping in it, everything, and if it's paced well enough to give the impression that a month or so has passed, we can have MJ leave him justified. Peter just disappears for a quarter of the movie. So after the action montage there, I would have him get inhabited by the symbiote and become more powerful, and he would feel more like he deserved it since he's been working too hard. Out of the suit, Peter would be suitably pale, his hair would be shaggy and all that shit, what with the month or so in the suit. Him making the choice to matte his hair down and wear eye liner like in this bullshit movie was retarded. So after that 30 minute extended action piece, we introduce Eddie Brock as a foil for Peter, everything similar to the actual film, but just spend more time building the character. Have Gwen be someone that Peter becomes interested in since MJ left, and build that up too. How I would have climaxed it? I would have liked to have seen a full on chase sequence from Uptown Manhattan down to the Brooklyn Bridge between Venom and Spidey. A web-swinging chase sequence. Have Venom breaking through windows and chucking people out of the buildings and Spidey catching them..then we have Venom getting Gwen and bringing her to that fateful bridge. Venom is at the top holding her, and all the comic book geeks start to hyperventilate because they think they're gonna see Gwen get tossed and Spidey breaking her neck with the webs. But I wouldn't do that. I would have Venom very clearly kill her and then chuck her corpse right at Spider-Man. After that we could have a fucking epic battle between two men that hate each other above and below the mask. I seriously guarantee that this is going to follow the suit of The Matrix sequels and the Star Wars prequels, where for the first couple of days afterwards people were really impressed and happy, and then they regain the senses and realize how it's utter complete shit.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    I Hate emo kids, and emo haircuts.

    by IngoSaint

    They are not badass and movie studios need to stop going towards that if they believe it conveys you are a bad guy.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Get over yourselves

    by spiderknight1102

    I am sick of all these talkbackers trashing this movie so much , was it pefect no , could it have been better, yes but the same could be said for every movie . It is still worlds apart from almost every other comic book movie to date. Get over yourselves and knock those chips off your shoulders , and if you think you could of made it better WHY DONT YOU ! , go ahead go out there and actually try that , I would love to see the crap that comes out of your asses.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Betty was the real star of the movie!

    by Boomers_Lips

    Betty and her buzzer!

  • May 5, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    how many movies have y'all written?

    by Boomers_Lips

    since everyone seems to have a good idea for SpiderMan. How many scripts has anyone here handed in to the Marvel & Sony offices?

  • May 5, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Betty and her "buzzer" sounds hot.

    by kikuchiyoboy

    Hee hee. That is all.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    "That's not the position i hired you for!"

    by Boomers_Lips

    the theater laughed out loud at that!

  • May 5, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I've Decided. I'm never going to see this.

    by DOGSOUP

    I'm perfectly happy letting the cinematic Spidey end at Spider Man 2. "Thanks Spidey, you've been a great movie character for those two movies but I'm going to have to block you. You see, the kids will think comic books suck now and as a parent I just can't allow that"

  • May 5, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    "MJ is a conceited bitch!"

    by Boomers_Lips

    thats exactly how she came off on screen.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    your complaints are so anal . . .

    by freak2thec0re

    "Sloppy editing: At the very beginning, Peter sees Harry leaving the Broadway show MJ is performing in and has words with his former best friend. End scene and somehow Peter is now backstage with MJ." -- what did you want, a five minute scene where we watch him walk back inside the theatre, through it and into the backstage area? you think that would have made the movie better? "sloppy storytelling: Harry shows up in the third act sporting a scar when the audience wasn’t even made privy to the fact that he survived the earlier confrontation." I don't even understand that complaint.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Harry's hair sure grew back fast!

    by Boomers_Lips

    for a guy who survived a firebomb he sure grew his hair back quickly!

  • May 5, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Avenge ME, Butler!!!!!

    by George Newman

    I wanted Norman to cry out to the butler. That would have been icing on the cake.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    CAll 'em like you see 'em, @$$hole!

    by Squashua

    Good review, AB!

  • May 5, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    why were Captain & Gwen Stacy at Harry's funeral?

    by Boomers_Lips

    did they even know him?

  • May 5, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Well said

    by Fabulous Freak

    Peter should have macked the shit out of Gwen to show the suit's influence on his personality. Fuckin danceoff.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    The audience in my theater...

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    Sure, I do appreciate everyone's opinion on who this movie was made for, and I can definitely agree with your opinion on this movie NOT being made for comic book geeks, antonphd. However, I had to add that I saw this movie today at a 1:00 pm show full of little kids. The kids were completely loving it, laughing at every joke... and... every touching moment. Every time I'd groan over some lame joke or odd-fitting emotional crying sequence, there would be a giant crowd of kids laughing through the whole thing. At the end of this film... the laughing continued through every crying scene and there were several groans and sighs when the credits started to roll. Everyone left with these sad faces, people were shaking their heads in what seemed to me like disappointment. I can sure remember the looks of complete amazement when leaving the theater after 1 and 2. I felt like I'd just seen the best thing ever. Afterwards I called a friend of mine who doesn't like comic books at all, and whom I'd consider an average film-going guy. He's not read all these reviews and been emersed in the hype of negativity like me. When I asked what he thought about it, he told me it was a 300 million dollar waste of time... he was really shocked at how terrible some of the scenes were, and he actually asked me... "was that Venom guy that lame in the comic books?" "Why did they cry so much?" "What happened to Sandman's daughter?" I totally agree that this movie wasn't made just for the 2% of us comic fans... but in my opinion only, the things Ambush Bug talks about here aren't just geek issues... they're bad filmmaking issues in general. I agree with him completely here, but this is only my opinion. You guys are right, the numbers and money will speak for itself, and those of us who didn't enjoy it will be swept under the rug as usual. No big deal, it's just a movie. Take care.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Sloppy Storytelling = Spider-Man 3

    by Kezilla

    >>"sloppy storytelling: Harry shows up in the third act sporting a scar when the audience wasn’t even made privy to the fact that he survived the earlier confrontation." I don't even understand that complaint.<< Because the way the movie was structured, it looked like another callous killing by dark Peter. What it needed was a shot of a thoroughly messed up Harry coming out of the flames with hate for Peter. Unless you're a comics geek and remember that Harry has super healing powers as part of the Goblin power package, you'll be scratching your head how Harry had the time to end up with so much badly healed scar tissue instead of raw wounds. That's why it's bad storytelling.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Sloppy Storytelling & Scars

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    I understood Ambush Bug's complaint to mean that all we get to see is a HUGE explosion in Harry's face. The same kind of bomb that blew Venom to NOTHING only scarred up Harry's face a little bit. All we see is the guy getting blown to hell, and then he just shows up out of nowhere (like a day later?) with a big ass scar and that's it. Maybe Ambush Bug means to ask: did he go to a hospital? Did the Osborn drug give him super healing powers? How the HELL did he SURVIVE that kind of explosion? I mean, holy fuck, it was blowing the columns down and knocking paint off the wall. Wouldn't that have blown his damn arms and legs off? It melted Venom like a piece of styrofoam in a microwave, and Harry's face is the only thing that was hurt? Seems way weird to me too.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I bet Dylan Baker (DR. CONNORS/LLIZARD) is pissed

    by George Newman

    I'm sure his casting meeting went like this: <p>"We'd like you to play Dr. Curt Connors. He is a teacher/mentor character for peter, and he turns into THE LIZARD!! Now we won't do the Lizard in the first film, but we'll work on developing him for the second, or at the very least by the third film. <p>Dr. Connors: Sounds awesome. Sign me up. <p>I also suspect Anna Paquin's casting for Rogue in X-Men went that way too.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    I'll try this again...

    by Kezilla

    "sloppy storytelling: Harry shows up in the third act sporting a scar when the audience wasn’t even made privy to the fact that he survived the earlier confrontation." I don't even understand that complaint." What it means is that unless you're a comic book geek (whom this movie apparently wasn't made for)you're not going to remember that super-healing is part of the Goblin powers package, and you'll be scratching your head that Harry survived the expolosion (which needed either a througly messed up Harry coming out of the flames or some kind of acknoledgement from Dark Peter that he's surprised that Harry's not dead), much less had the time to form badly healed scar tissue instead of raw wounds.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Kezilla = exactly right.

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    I totally agree... seeing a messed-up Harry moving around or walking out of the flames WOULD have done the trick. Really.. ANYTHING would have been better. Right on man.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Dancing Spider-Man Gif: The Movie!

    by Flim Springfield

    <b>

  • May 5, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    aint that bad

    by sagasea

    I have got to disagree with most of the hyperbole surrounding this movie - too many threads to follow - please you don't need ADD to follow this film you just have to let it flow. I enjoyed the movie was it perfect - no. What a shock? It was never going to be as I envisaged it but that aint no bad thing I aint Sam Raimi. What he got right he knocked out the park - the gestation of sandman was incredible so much was said without words it was the most moving CGI scene I have ever had the privilege to view - the action was awesome and I thought venom worked - I was all set to hate it but in an actual story with more thatn one dimension he's only worth 20mins tops in the scope of this film. the singing - criticism is fair enough - there was a bit too much - sam made it clear from the first 15mins that mj could'nt hold a note no need to keep punishing us with the bad chicago style numbers. Overall I really enjoyed spiderman 3 it aint as good as 2 but I enjoyed it more than the 1 - go see it and make up your own mind :)

  • May 5, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Don't know why people's panties are all in a bunch..

    by halfmadjesus

    ...I'd say Spider-Man 3 was about on par with the other two. Yeah, they probably crammed too much in this time, and there are contrivances a-plenty, but that's all I could really find fault with. It seemed to pretty much fit the tone and pacing of the other films. Audience I saw it with seemed to dig it. Maybe people's expectations were a tad too high this time around?

  • May 5, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    A comic book is what...

    by Napoleon Park

    ...about 17 to 22 pages long? Okay, Ditko packed in a standard nine panels per page grid and Lee was verbose. Still, it's hard to believe that they can't take a comic book and get it to fit into a two hour movie. "Well, let's take the entire five year story arcs of a half dozen different characters and then stuff them into one movie." Well, DON'T. Spider-Man is Marvel's mainstay character, an iconic American hero. Are they telling us that in forty-five years there hasn't been one single Spider-Man story, arc or graphic novel that would stand up on it's own as a film? The original Sinister Six annual? "The Kid Who Collected Spider-man"? "Just A Guy Named Joe?" Not one goddam Spider-Man story they could make a movie out of? *** They get a bunch of non-comics writers in a room and they don;t even read the comics they just read about the comics. Okay, what's the best Spider-Man story. "The Death of Gwen Stacy". Let's see, here's a panel with the Green Goblin impaled on his glider. That's a good visual, let's use that. Wait, who's Gwen Stacy? I thought Spider-Man was married to Mary Jane Parker? Okay, lose Gwen Stacy and put in Mary Jane... but we can't have the hero married... and we can't kill Mary jane because she married parker in the future... so we make The Death of Gwen Stacy and call it "The (non death) of (not in this movie)". *** A-ha, after all these years of recycling the 'what's it called?' joke, I finally figured out why these fucking movies don't have titles. Take a story, remove all the story elements, and then use what you have left: nothing. That's your title: "Spider-Man (nothing)." Now I get it.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    oh boy is it ever bad

    by christpunchers2007

    the first time i saw it i came out with a mixed feeling, so i went back to rewtach it for the 2nd time all the contriavens really got to me, then there were some really dumb choices they made to get things going (okay so harry goes into the chamber but the way they showed it, it played out with an absolute FLAT note, just like the retarded score by christopher young)..... when eddie brock's camera got smashed by the "evil" spidey (does brock have a radar attached to spidey's butt or something? or maybe it was the cabbie with the psyhic powers who knows exactly where spidey is at any given moment) eddie says "WHAT THE HELL!?" as the spidey leaps into the sewers - topher, you just read my mind.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Spidey 1

    by killjoke99

    ok, i'm not sure if anyone really talked about this but its been bothering me since i saw the movie. here goes... alright, when we break it down, the essence of spiderman comes down to the infamous line of "with great power, comes great responsibility...," right? that whole idea comes from the fact that peter had the power to stop the robber/burglar from escaping the wrestling arena and chose not to (i'm going with movie continuity here, fyi). ok, so raimi decides to tweak the origin by having marko/sandman be the shooter. ok. in my mind, that completely washes out the emotional resonance of the first film. when peter sees ben die, and begins his chase of the "killer," that scene gave me goosebumps when i first saw back in '02. you are with him when he is on his raging quest to find him. and in my eyes, whenever peter/spidey is fighting or chasing a bad guy, hypothetically its the burglar he's chasing. because he can never choose NOT to use his powers to stop something bad from going down. so anyway, in spidey 1 he's not even chasing the actual shooter of ben? and forgives marko? accident or not, that doesn't sit well with me. what i'm trying to say (and i don't think i'm writing this exactly how i want it to come out...) is that the plot in this movie falls waaaaay short of the previous two. i wish it maintained the quality. but, nevertheless, some scenes were good i just wish they chose to have just sandman or just venom (preferably sandman as church did have some emotional character moments). ok, my thoughts are all over the place so i'll end this here. does anyone get what i'm saying?

  • May 5, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    blah....blah....blah

    by sith-vol

    I can not even begin to count the number of negative reviews for Spider-Man 3 on AICN. Fine. Perhaps all of the fanboys of Spidey, myself included should just get over it and quit the bitching already. I didn't love the movie, but I didn't hate it either. I would think that by now, everyone would realize that eventually, comic book films let us down....no matter which comic its based on. The origins are almost nerver right, the characters are wrong or the story is just shit. Spider-Man is no different...imagine that. We have now been given three films that, until now, got geek semen all over them. Now though, Spidey 3 has been uncovered for what it is....just a movie...and not even a great one...GASP! Give me a break. While I agree with a lot of the posters here about the problems with the film, I.E. phone tag, dancin petey, and an under-utilized Venom....I thought this film measured up well against the first film which only had Willem DaFoe going for it. I think that everyone should just get over it and realize that the film wasnt awful...its only crime was not meeting everyone's expectations....so shame on it.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    brock telepathic powers

    by sagasea

    My interpretation was brock used the same radio frequencies parker used to listen in to police radio that and bribes to NYPD officers for info - aint that far fetched - all he'd need would be cash and a moby :)

  • May 5, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Hell yes, Killjoke99.

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    Dude, I'm RIGHT with you on that one. It's like this movie should have been Spider-man 3, 4, 5 and 6 in one film. All these different plot lines which should have been HUGE... they each could have EASILY been their own film.. all jammed into one. Making such a GIGANTIC decision about having Flint Marko be Uncle Ben's real killer... and not giving it the proper attention and explanation, did (in my opinion) WRECK the emotional ties to the first film. Personally, it left me feeling confused, irritated and frustrated that something as important and emotionally stirring as the Uncle Ben situation was made as a really weak plot device to (badly) advance Flint Marko's dry character. I completely agree with you. The Sandman's story would have made an EXCELLENT sequel, if given the time to further develop him and push his tragic story all the way through. The same could be said for Harry's sequences and ESPECIALLY the Venom problem. Topher Grace gets NO time to shine here! It's SO damn rushed, I wanted a whole, beautiful film about this interesting character... not 15 minutes. The symbiote has a wonderful set of personality traits that was just buried under lame phone calls, crying scenes and jazz dance sequences in this movie. 4 films in 1 = 2 and a half hours in a dentist's chair.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    well that does make sense

    by christpunchers2007

    i know im just nitpicking, but brock gets there before the cops, that just aint right. Oh well that scene is just one of the 100 coincidences in this movie, and it wasnt among the biggest ones.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    You know... in the end... the movie is a mixed bag.

    by antonphd

    I really enjoyed it. It did everything wrong that everyone is saying(though I do disagree with the dancing part cause that shit was hilarious) but it's not a bad film. It's just not as good as the first 2 and it's clear that it is due to having too many characters and not enough time to follow them thru and you can also see that Raimi had ZERO passion about Venom. There you go. Raimi always said he hated Venom and he was forced to put him in the film. Consider that it's not easy to make everything work when you do have passion. And, who the fuck would have passion for Venom, he's just plain retarded. Movies are hard to make and harder with a time limit and being forced to add major elements into the mix of what you already had going. I see this movie as the best it could be considering the situation. it's exactly part awesome and part wtf?? that's hollywood for you. but... FUCK YOU to the people saying that the actors weren't into the roles. i don't know what crack you are smoking. nobody phoned in their performance. seemed to me that everyone was a step up from the last two movies.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    its not ALL bad but its 75% bad

    by christpunchers2007

    i really liked the "angry" spidey when he was punching the shit out of sandman between the tracks down in the sewers. "Its time to pay marko", that was very nicely done. Really made spidey out to be the bad guy when considering sandman's motives. But then again sandman's motives take away the significants of ben's death in the first 2, making the angry spidey lines feeling cheap.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    and i agree

    by christpunchers2007

    for the most part the actors did what they could with the scripts, with their lines and their roles. 13 year old venom fans, suntanning studio execs, old man avi arad are the ones to blame. raimi's got his revenge on the studios with this one.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    $59 million says it all

    by Rupee88

    Any of you who paid to see this are supporting bad movies and ensuring more will be made...thanks guys!

  • May 5, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    75% bad - bollocks

    by sagasea

    I have seen some shite in my time -i.e. phantom menace - spiderman 3 is well worth 2hrs of your time you won't love everything in it but JJ Jamieson is worth the price of admission alone his scene with his secretary and the pills is hilarious :) and did I mention the bruce back to his cringeing best as THE french waiter - awesome - sil vou plait :)75% bad - feck off and review the last mimzy.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    negative spidey 1&2 reviews = whiney fanboys.....

    by waggy

    negative spidey 3 reviews = viewer who can tell a good movie from a bad one. there is a difference. this is the series' batman forever. and this from someone who liked x3 and was slightly disappointed but still enjoyed superman returns.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    okay im probably being a whiny harsh bigbaby

    by christpunchers2007

    but didnt peter steal mj from jj's son in spiderman2? seems like jj's got a case of amnesia as well.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    SONY should take all the money this makes and

    by The Only Woj

    remake Spider-Man 3. a complete do-over. Raimi is to blame, but not completely. he should have stuck to his guns about not having Venom. I mean, as a trilogy, why let yourself get strongarmed into a finale that you don't want? It always felt like Venom would be the big draw for the first post-Raimi film, but now that is gone. Unless they pull something like Hulk 2, and forget continuity. but that would mean waiting 4-5 years. really unforunate. Spidey 3 isn't a bad movie ... people SHOULD still see it if they're on the fence ... it's just a massive disappointment. and it's hurt the options for sequels.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    spiderman 3 - this series batman forever?-hmm no!

    by sagasea

    SM3 comes no were near the car crash which was batman forever, am getting fed up with the assumption that spiderman fans hate batman or someant - are from same demographic - get a grip :) Go see this movie and decide for yourself I enjoyed it and I was dreading watchin it after reading AICN reviews.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Some fan-tards don't have a sense of humor

    by BrowncoatJedi

    As if Saturday Night Fever Peter was serious!

  • May 5, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Interesting ...

    by Darth Valinorean

    As a huge comics fan and having read comics from age 7-8, I can assure you I understand the pain of Ambush Bug - I really do. This is a movie and they have strayed - strayed too far when expectations are high and keeping it true to the characters would have been easy. Raimi could easily explore, as Bug, you correctly say, the 'Dark' side of Pete with the suit. How hard it is to take off .. how it appears over and over again .. how violent it makes him stuff like that. Pete going overboard as Spidey with a simple mugger would suffice. A salsa is not the same as knocking the shit out of a mugger. I think that at the end of the day is the key point. I agree with Bug almost 99% on this review.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    fantads - don't have a sense of humor

    by sagasea

    Totally agree jedi, SNF Peter was obviously for comic relief and I enjoyed those scenes - spiderman at his cockiest - whats not to enjoy he's turning the hotties on and he's at heart a nerd - what's not to love about that scenario? :)

  • May 5, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    we get it, the dancing was supposed to be funny

    by waggy

    doesn't mean we want to watch a movie where the characters and universe are treated as 1 dimensional jokes. i think i speak for just about every so-called "hater" here (with a few exceptions) when i say that i take absolutely no pleasure in trashing this movie and wanted nothing more than to love it as much as the first two.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Let's hope the DVD will have the 3 hour version!

    by HEROES FOR SALE

    I can't help but think that if they kept Venom for a fourth film this would have been better than Spider-man 2. A film with Peter wearing the Black suit, exploring and enjoying the power would have been awesome. A darker film with a cliffhanger ending. FUCK Hollywood!!! They always rush this shit.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    SpiderMan 3 - this series Phantom Menace?

    by Boomers_Lips

    i think no!

  • May 5, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    this movie needed some Cybermen!

    by Boomers_Lips

    delete! delete!

  • May 5, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    COMIC RELIEF???

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    I think the biggest mistake was EXACTLY the comic relief!!! Darth_Valinorean was soooo right in making the point about the mugger. The Venom series in Ultimate Spider-man really did a great job in showing how the suit made him into an aggressive maniac... when he stops that crazy mugger in the comics and all his emotions build up, he starts seeing Uncle Ben's killer instead of the bum, and gets ENRAGED... almost killing the bastard with his bare hands... even showing the teeth for a second there. That dance sequence (for comic relief as you say) completely wrecked the seriousness and horror of that suit. A scene where he loses his cool with a mugger in this movie (instead of a jazz dance sequence and hitting some bouncer) would have made SO much more sense and added so much needed explanation to the plot. All that talk about how powerful the suit makes him, and we never get to see it. What a shame, man. Damn.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    yeah in the first scene where spidey goes "this suit"

    by christpunchers2007

    is to powerful, they didnt really show anything apart from the regular spidey. How about showing off the ability to move faster, jump higher (you know, since hes black)?

  • May 5, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    so the "black" SpiderMan was evil...how racist!

    by Boomers_Lips

    i hope Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton dont see this movie!

  • May 5, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    ultimately, the movie is targeted to kids and teens.

    by Boomers_Lips

    not adults or comic fans, because the majority of the audience i was with were little kids and tweens.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Not bad

    by jsm1978

    I saw the movie a couple hours ago, and I liked it. No, it wasn't as good as the last one, and yes they should have saved Venom for number 4 so that there was less wedged in. However, it isn't NEARLY as bad as many of you are making it out to be. All this "they need to reboot the franchise" talk is flat out stupid.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Sorry for the double post

    by jsm1978

    But I forgot to mention... I really don't understand the inclusion of Gwen Stacy at this point. Could have just made it Felicia Hardy and set up for a future appearance by the Black Cat.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    "my spidey sense is tingling if you know what i mean"!

    by Boomers_Lips

    when Venom said that line it got some laughs in the audience!

  • May 5, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Ahhhhhhhhhh

    by livrule

    Makes X3 look Oscar worthy!

  • May 5, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    ....

    by The Dum Guy

    I've resigned to wait for the DVD, at least then I can get get drunk and watch this (maybe ensuring a good experience watching it).

  • May 5, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    OK, it wasnt as good as part 2, but it wasnt that bad!

    by jojo-pimp

    I mean...yeah, some sloppy story telling..but some good action, good humour, great FX, and yeah, it does bring the whole peter/harry/mj story full circle at least. Not my favorite of the series by far, but not as terrible as some people are saying

  • May 5, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    SpiderMan-3 gets a "B-" from Yahoo Movies.

    by Boomers_Lips

    is that good?

  • May 5, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    what were the trailers with SpiderMan 3?

    by Boomers_Lips

    i know there was Harry Potter, POTC: AWE, Surfs Up, and there is another one i cant remeber. it was about the 60's or something.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Rupee88 & Boomers_Lips

    by AlwaysThere

    I need to watch a movie before I can truthfully say that it sucks. That or acquire it through some over avenue. Boomers, a B- on Yahoo is NOT a good thing.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    yep i need to rewtach the first 2 movies to

    by christpunchers2007

    erase the bad memories of this one, have to wait for an extended and recut DARKER version of this movie to be able to even consider it an offical sequel.... "awesome?" "wicked cool?" no kids, how about godzilla should have no place in a spiderman movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    why SpiderMan 3 smelled so bad.

    by Boomers_Lips

    Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character." That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire /index.php?category=3&id=41291

  • May 5, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    by waggy

    you nailed it. a ten second scene where spidey lifts a truck and goes "wow, couldn't do that before" would quickly establish the increased power the suit gives him. and a beating gone too far switched in for the dance scene would show why the suit is bad for him. black suit spidey should be someone you cheer on at first, then become wary of, then outright scared of. not the annoying little punk they made him here. and save venom for the cliffhanger ending (a la harry discovering the goblin shit in 2), which would give sony 2 billion dollar blockbusters intead of one. geez, it would've been so easy to make this movie awesome.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Boomers_Lips

    by waggy

    it's so frustrating to read that. when in the history of cinema has studio interference ever resulted in a better film? the man made them over a billion dollars with the first two movies (to say nothing of the revenue reaped from licensing). you'd think they'd have a little confidence in the guy at this point.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Boy...

    by F69

    Harry Osbourne sure banged his head alot in that movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    I liked it

    by Dkev00

    Just saw it at the IMAX. I really enjoyed it. For as much as they jammed into it, I thought it flowed pretty well. I actually thought it is better then the first two. But you know I'm just one of those people that can go to a movie like this and just enjoy it. I don't try to nit pick it like some that have no fucking life. It's a popcorn movie nothing more nothing less. And I was entertained, so it was a good night.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    its really Avi Arad's and Laura Ziskin's fault!

    by Boomers_Lips

    Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character." That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared. "Well, my brother and I had written in the story about another woman that recognized Peter and knew who he was at this dinner and that Mary Jane got jealous of her," Raimi said. "But Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Let's make it Gwen.' And I said, 'I don't think I should, because, ... really, Gwen was introduced before Mary Jane in the comic books, and now I'm introducing her later, and ... she's not even in high school anymore. She's in college. And I'm afraid if I introduce Gwen, the fans will have all these expectations, which we're not going to deliver in this picture.' And she said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'" Raimi said he considered the suggestion. "After much soul-searching, I thought, 'Maybe it's true. I've already screwed up the order, and I've already started the Mary Jane [storyline] first,'" Raimi said. "'Whenever [Gwen's] introduced, she'll be introduced in the wrong order. I might as well give the fans the introduction to Gwen.' So I took her advice and named her Gwen Stacy and therefore connected her to a policeman who had been on the periphery of the scenes [and became her father, Capt. Stacy, played by James Cromwell]. Made a little stronger relationship between them but, not much, just enough to be true to the fact that she was his daughter. That's about all." As he has discussed previously, Raimi added that it was Arad's idea to add the villain Venom to the mix. "Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough,'" Raimi said. "'You need to think about them. You've made two movies now with your favorite villains, and now you're about to make another one with your favorite villains. The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite. All Spider-Man readers love Venom, and even though you came from '70s Spider-Man, this is what the kids are thinking about. Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.' And so that's really where I realized, 'OK, maybe I don't have the whole Spider-Man universe in my head. I need to learn a little bit more about Spider-Man and maybe incorporate this villain to make some of the real die-hard fans of Spider-Man finally happy.'" Spider-Man 3 opens May 4.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    sorry if my last post was too long.

    by Boomers_Lips

    im very passionate about this, or really drunk.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    what i still don't understand

    by waggy

    why did they feel like they HAD to cram venom into this movie? it's like they pre-supposed that this was going to be the last one, even though that doesn't seem to be what ANYONE (cept maybe kirsten) had planned.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    ghei review

    by bamboogrove

    This just in: nobody gives a shit about comic continuity, Kraven or why you wanted to see Peter go all Anakin. My audience loved the movie, applauded at the end, and I'm sure they'll buy the DVD, as will you, after you see it 3 more times at the theater this weekend. Give us all a break and quit bitching about a fucking comic book movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    I'm cravin' for Kravin and no more Bat nipples

    by aboriginal

    that would've been a worthy sequel and a story worthy of Peter to find what he really is as Kraven seeks to hunt and become him in an attempt to understand him. I can't help but think that Raimi's got a treatment somewhere that is just this. Don't let another one get Silverized please. One villain and one major plot that invloves Peter finding more about life, love, friends, enemies and all that. It felt like this was it and he wanted to pack it all in and get it over with - that's what sucked. It was rushed, mis-edited and ruined by all the darkness of it all. It retrospect the previous two were dark and gloomy and damn near suicidal, but that's Peter's life. He's the poster child for hard luck cases, with that one gem. I have no problem in seeing what drives the bad guy, but they need equal time then and three is too many. We saw that it worked so well in the previous two that it almost seems that Raimi worried that it was formulaic - so what?!? Another chapter, not a wrap up in the worst sense of trilogy wrap ups. I've been a heavy Spider-man fan since I was a kid and have a collection that seems a tad insane now, but it was something that I enjoyed. Seeing the newest movie was something I really looked forward too as it was like gettin' together with old friends again kinda stuff, but I was distracted by the mishandled structure of the whole thing. As I write this I've got Spidey 2 on USA in the background and I can still remember how great it was walking out of that one in the theater and what a homerun Raimi hit. The bar was set and it tripped him up.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    this line from the review worries me.

    by HypeEndsHere

    "What pisses me off the most about this film is that a ga-jillion people will be seeing it. This is what people think a comic book is like." -- it highlights the elitism present in the comic reader's mind. some sort of ownership. "this is what people think a comic book is like"... uh, why wouldn't they think Spidey 2 is what a comic book is like? i understand the general public cannot decide between something they like and something they don't, but really. are there not good comics and bad comics? did 300 show the public what a comic book is like?

  • May 5, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    ok, after reading a previous post article clip

    by aboriginal

    I gotta correct myself and lay the blame right . . . Avi Arad's a dick and so is Ziskin - they're about the money and if Ziskin ever picked up a comic book it was to blow her nose in it. GIve the fans what they want? They haven't got a clue what we want. Raimi, you should've stuck to your guns and I'm sure you realized the train wreck you we're making well before it got to the editing room. Director's cut it the way you wanted it and save it for DVD release and tell Arad to shut his pie hole - oh yeah . . . he's off now fucking other Marvel projects. Grrrrrrrrrrr.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    arad should have been casted as whistler

    by christpunchers2007

    in blade 1, he should have been the one who got mulled by frost and the pack.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    What would have made this movie 10 times better...

    by Raphman

    If Bruce Campbell played every part in it. But I thought the movie was okay, not as good as the first, but better than the second(I hated the second).

  • May 5, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    So anything less than perfect is unacceptable anymore?

    by Outburst

    Man, some of you people are spoiled. It's definitely my third favorite Spider-man movie, but to say the franchise needs a reboot a la Batman Begins is just childish. Was it as good as the first two? Not for me, no. But it wasn't crap. X-Men 3 was crap. This was just a different type of movie than the other two, plain and simple. It should have been called Peter Parker: Spider-man. It was more about Pete's problems and choices than Spidey's. Anyway, I hope ALL of the primarys are back for the next one. This was a story that needed to be told to move the characters along, and I can't fault Raimi for that. Granted, some of the execution was a little off, but I'm willing to forgive an average third film after spectacular first and second efforts.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's a tie in to the new Julie Taymor musical

    by Gozu

    Because there is a Julie Taymor musical. Of Spider Man. And Galactus is a cloud.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Get Over It

    by Roboteer

    Yes, there're flaws in plot movement, some sloppiness with transition, but the characters are still true, and where movies HAVE to deliver, as entertainment, SM3 does big time. Where Sam has succeeded most is bringing Stan's poignancy to the screen. Of which, probably Spidey led that parade. He gets that right on target, builds this into a behemoth franchise, and now he's for shit? Where's the love, man? And the comics, don't get me started. It was Spider-Man #4 that I bought at the newstand when it was first published, where Sandman made his first appearence. So I've been around longer than you, sonny. Remember how Stan ended that classic? Fighting Sandy in a garage, Spidey sucked him up in a wet/dry vac. I kid you not. David Oreck to the rescue! I agree Marvel comics were heads above their competition in the Silver Age. But they were still comics. They still killed off characters and brought them back soon afterwards with some preposterous nonsense (see Jean Grey). Significant changes have to be made in the movies so it isn't laughed off the screen. Did Stan ever explain how Pete could cling to walls? No. Well, a spider does it, we assume so should he. Comics are what they are, and it ain't Shakespeare. (Despite a little Hamlet in Harry's arc.) This is far from perfect, but it still delivers in all the most important ways. I think a lot of folks just couldn't wait for Sam to stumble and hop off the bandwagon. Many pros felt a little guilty for liking 1&2, and like to cut the feet out from the comic book movie phenomenon. Well, just be glad there's something to be disappointed about. This is still heads above X3, probably both FF movies, SR, and PIRATES2. So, sorry it ruined your day, but personally I'd like to see it again. I do like your choice of villains in Kraven and Lizard. And I still have now a hopeless pipe dream of a LizBanks(Betty Brant/T.Grace(Parker) reset in 4, but that's never gonna happen. This is the movie they made, not the movie maybe we'd like to see made. So deal with it. It's good, not great. The one thing it ain't is some imagined insult to comicdom. Frankly it takes the comics to another level never imagined back in the day. Just be careful what you wish for, Sony's liable to replace Sam with some hack like Ratner or Story and then we can be really, really disappointed. Oh, and PS, Sam was right, Venom ain't all that cool.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    I agree 100% with your review, Ambush

    by hadez

    And I laughed at that image..until I realized it was what I saw in the film :(

  • May 5, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    spread the blame around

    by Napoleon Park

    Big director plans a movie with Sandman to continue the plot lines begun in the first two installments. Then the major studio head asks him to add Gwen Stacy and V-Man. for a fricken gazillion dollars you do what you're told. But DON'T shoe horn the new elements into your pre-existing script and go "there, this will suck, that'll show them to mess with my artistic vision". You suck it up, kill your darlings and start over and write the movie the studio wants - and you do it good. Blame Arad, fine, but don't defend Joxer's brother, he messed up too. *** I'm not a jmajor screenwriter, just a small press comix guy, but if your collaborator says "lets do a story with this, this, this and this, then you sit down and work out a plausible way to combine those elements in one story, then you polish it. You don't just take some story you already had and force the new elements into it. This was where Raimi and his writing staff messed up. (Well, that and using non-Ditko characters in a Spider-Man movie, but that argument's getting stale.)

  • May 5, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    great review.

    by tile_mcgillus

    These apologists are just trying desperately to clinge to the idea of the film. Sorry guys. This movie was fucking awful. Try as hard as you can to make excuses, you know its true.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Clinge, tile_mcgillus? What does that mean?

    by tonagan

    I'm just kiddin' with ya.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    BTW, did you guys saw Galactus' Cameo in this movie?

    by hadez

    Oh, wait. That was Sandman "flying" trough the air. My bad.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Top 10 things that bother me about Spidey3:

    by future help

    (inpo)1.missing Spider scences 2.Mary Jane no longer hot or talented 3.Harry's butler character. where did he come from and why hold back so long on the info? 4.too mant coincidences i.e. meteorite lands right next to PP and MJ...Brock is in same church as Venom/Parker 5.they somehow tarnished the Russian girl 6.poor edits and soundtrack 7.Ben killed by Sandman bit 8.too much crying 9.fuckin news reporters at the end 10.Harry's face scar and Venoms easy death AND NOW A FEW THINGS I ENJOYED: 1. Bruce Campbell ROCKED 2. some of the action was nice 3. errrr...i would love to have all the extra footage Sam did not use and re-edit my own cut.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Raimi getting a free pass?

    by Blanket-Man

    Yeah, I've read Raimi's comments about basically being forced to use Venom and Gwen, but I don't buy it. Sam had just completed two of the 10 most successful films EVER: If he wanted, he could've told Arad and Zuskin "Ya know, I appreciate the suggestions, but FUCK OFF!" SM3 was HIS SHOW. He more than probably any director this side of The Beard had the standing to do what he wanted to with the Spidey franchise. Obviously, Raimi thought he could make a great movie with Venom and Gwen in it - that's HIS name on the Story By credit (along with his brother). If he so despised the character of Venom, he should've walked. I, by the way, enjoyed the movie, but it was the weakest of the three. I'd still love to see Raimi come back for number four to see if he can get back to the quality of 1 and 2, maybe with The Lizard as the main baddie.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    I understand the pain

    by a rolling stone

    I understand the pain that comes from seeing a comic book movie done wrong. Comics are our modern day mythology. They are NOT for kids anymore. Many are well-written, so there's no excuse for the movie adaptations to not follow suit. I think the Bug's disappointed that people with low opinions of comic books won't change their minds after seeing this movie. They'll excuse the coincidences and the lazy story-telling because it's based off of comic books. And yes. The use of Bernard was lazy. I enjoyed the movie for what it was. I'm in no rush to see it again, but I'll buy it. But to say it again, the use of the butler was lazy. I'm ok with Aunt May popping in just when Peter needs him most, I'm okay with Peter's 'bas-ass' walk and even dance--he's a nerd and that's how a nerd acts cool, since nerds don't understand cool. But left-field extra no-name Bernard makes everything right with 30 seconds of dialogue? And why are they all pronouncing it burr-nerd? Isn't it Burr-NARD? As in balls? Remember how low-budget and underrated kung-fu movies were? Then Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon came out and raised the bar. I don't think this movie's the train wreck everyone else thinks it is, but I wasn't blown away. It's no X3, but it's no X2 either.

  • May 6, 2007, midnight CST

    the objective truth

    by pencil-man

    watching the movie sux, remembering S-M 3 is OK, and X2 is not as good as X3. Fuck you jaded assholes. 'nuff said. (how come the reviews mention Bruce Campbell but not Stan Lee?)

  • May 6, 2007, midnight CST

    aicn

    by maluquiro

    is the only place where reading spiderman comics could qualify you for something...

  • May 6, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    jesus fucking christ

    by kahootz

    It's obvious. The cast were contracted for three movies. They crammed stuff into one movie to satisfy their contracts. This is two complete movies edited and truncated to fit ONE movie. That sucks. However...this movie had lots of action and laughs and f/x. It was an enjoyable romp. It was the funniest of the three. It was a popcorn movie that didn't dwell on relationships. It focused on the goofiest and funnest aspects of comic books. And that is the operative words: comic books. Any reader of them will understand the suspension of disbelief that is required. Take that suspension of disbelief into this movie and you will walk away saying, "That was a lot of fun."

  • May 6, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    perfect review

    by wcoop893

    its pretty much exaclt how i feel. i was embarrased for much of the film. it was sloppy and venom was forced and emo peter was completely retartred

  • May 6, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Gee, you know what this site needs?

    by Zarles

    Another Spider-Man 3 review.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Jesus doesn't like Spiderman

    by purplemonkeydw

    Topher asked, and Topher received. Alas, Topher did not deliver.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    yup

    by disfigurehead

    I totally agree with the review. It sucked...

  • May 6, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Just turn on your nite-lite and go to sleep, Bug.

    by Andy Travis

    This movie is not the end of the fucking world. Also, Kraven's Last Hunt is vastly overrated (aside from the great art by Zeck).

  • May 6, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    I had a thought

    by Smashing

    Given Venom's lack of screen time maybe they just wanted to introduce the idea of an alien to set carnage up?, I know its a long stretch but cinematically it would mean we have not really seen the symbiont in action, maybe why it was underused?, or it was the whole got away from him thing. Still I would rather bemoan a comic book movie for trying too hard than too little.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Venom deserves less than 10 minutes

    by antonphd

    I'm glad it's done and over with. Thank God he didn't get a whole movie plot. What a fucking waste of time that would have been. The whole bullshit of the simbiote is almost as retarded as the clone peter parker. Just... total idiocy. Thanks for carrying the cross of venom and making us suffer as little as possible, Raimi. Can't wait for the movies to get back to the kick ass villians. Thanks for not walking and letting us get some douche like Bay to replace you. Now. Bring on the Lizard and let's talk about some cameos from other Marvel movies.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    antonphd is right

    by christpunchers2007

    venom or not (and no dont even talk about carnage), symbiote storylines should of had no place in any of raimi's movies, theyre simply not grounded in HIS version of spiderman's reality. That god awful symbiote theme by chris young is still stuck in my head....

  • May 6, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    FUCK KRAVEN'S LAST HUNT!

    by INWOsuxRED

    That was some "dark" and gimmicky bullshit, and would not make a good Spider-Man film at all. Spider-Man should be fun, not a rejected Tales from the Crypt episode.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Soup montage

    by INWOsuxRED

    The Soup showed a great compliation of clips the cast did to "hype" this film. All of them came off like they could care less about this or any other Spider-Man film. Raimi and the cast had all the leverage on this film, and to blame the finished product on studio meddling is just lame. Raimi started filming HIS script, when he could have either made a power play, or just walked off completely. I highly doubt there was a gun to his head to make this film. He makes it sound like he is a first time director who is finally getting his big break with Spider-Man 3, and he had to make all these comprimises so that he might have a real career in the future.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    screw you haters...

    by Merlox

    it wasn't THAT bad...it wasn't that GREAT either...but in no means was this film an utter disaster like every reviewer here seems to think...

  • May 6, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Julie Taymor for "Spider-Man 4"!

    by Christopher3

    It'll be scored to Beatles tunes, set in a Roman coliseum and star freaky puppets. Hey, at least she'll never compromise with the studio in terms of her artistic vision.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Spidey JAZZ HANDS!!!!

    by Merlox

    seriously look at the cover to Secret Wars #8 and tell me that black suit doesn't bring out the inner beatnik...;)

  • May 6, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    EMO PETER PARKER = FLAMES ON OPTIMUS

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Spiderman 2 >>>>>>>> Spiderman 3

  • May 6, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Just saw it...

    by fluffybunnywhiskers

    Loved it a lot, but I'm not a whiny bitchy fanboy and don't read comics and say stupid shit like "har har Mary Jane should die, I'm badass." Wanting MJ to die doesn't make you badass, my friends, it makes you assholes. If you're proud of that fact, hooray, good for you... but I hope you die. Anyway, loved the movie a lot.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    It's just stylish to hate on Spidey3

    by omarthesnake

    that's the reason for this dogpiling, from people here and from critics. Because the movie wasn't that bad. It was eeeeeasily the best "third movie in a superhero franchise" ever. The coincidences? You have read the comic books, right? Get off your goddamned high horse and acknowledge that, in a world where everybody is everybody else's cousin/secret love child/ parent-figure-slayer/ sibling/etc, the fact that Sandman runs onto the military base at the wrong moment just ain't that big a deal. Yes, the movie could have been trimmed a half hour, but so could every movie out there. As for Peter's life going down the crapper, again, you've read the comics, right? When is he ever happy for more than half an issue? sheesh. Whiney crybabies, bitching that they didn't make the movie you had scripted in your fanfic.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Thoughts on VENOM: THE HORROR ANGLE!!!

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    Man, just writing this will probably get me tons of hate mail and death threats (cuz damn, you've gotta love the harsh, harsh world of the AICN talkbacks), but I'm actually a Venom fan. It's only my personal opinion, and I certainly won't make any hating comments about Raimi's choices to handle the character the way he did, apart from honestly being really disappointed. I know Spider-man is essentially a nice, family-oriented PG-13 affair, but damn.... I can't help but wonder what would happen if Sam Raimi actually liked Venom and used the horror angle instead of the cheesy angle. ONLY FOOD FOR THOUGHT: My very favorite (and really only cool, in my opinion) scene regarding the symbiote in this film was that brilliant scene in Peter's apartment when we see the creature's shadow on the wall, lurching towards him. What a brilliant, classic horror moment. Sam Raimi knows horror. He shot his first film not even 15 minutes away from where I sit typing this right now, and his style of horror has become modern classic. The tentacle scene from Spider-man 2 is a perfect example. Super, hyper-stylized, visually kinetic, aggressive and hard-as-nails to watch. It seems to me that the potentially horrifying aspects of Venom would have made a HELL of a great film. In the comics, Venom pretty much eats people, drinks blood and laughs about it. This thing is a monstrosity on a rampage, a killing machine. I think that contrast in Spider-man is absolutely fascinating!!!!! On one side, the bright-colored-suit-wearing good guy with wisecracking jokes and positive attitude versus this all-black, giant, razor-sharp teeth killing machine who eats people and is clinically insane, driven on revenge. Spider-man's spider-sense was never even used in this film, but if it was, it would have been amazing to see how the suit reacted with it, and learned from him.... then bestowing those powers to Eddie Brock. We never get to see the suit learn to shoot webbings or learn how he moves and adapts. When Eddie Brock gets the suit, he automatically knows how to do all these things, even shoots black "webbing" from the tops of his hands, but we're never given a chance to understand why... or how this twisted, fucking symbiote works. John Jameson just came back from a mission to Mars, what a perfect segue into this alien costume... what a perfect chance to bring it back to earth and systematically find its way to Peter through a Jameson & Mary Jane conflict. It's still only my opinion that a REAL Venom movie could have been way past badass and into the areas of drinking fiery hot molten lead and shitting hammers. One of the scariest aspects of the Venom character was his knowledge about Spider-man's secret identity and how he preyed on Aunt May, Mary Jane and everyone else in Peter's life. Damn, ALL these things are WONDERFUL elements of a potentially terrifying horror film!!! It's like Cape Fear!!! He knows who Peter is, and he's STALKING HIM like a hunter. I know a lot of people always hate on the "WE" concept of Venom; a lot of folks say it's completely retarted... but it's EXACTLY what the writers did with Doc Ock in part 2. It was brilliant horror. One of the most interesting dynamics of that film was Doc Ock's weird, insane relationship with those crazy arms. The voices in his head, the control, the lack of control, the constant battle to overcome their influence. Damn guys... THIS is the foundation that Venom is completely built on. A man being slowly driven insane by a disgusting, carnivorous, symbiotic alien?? That sounds absolutely fucking awesome to me. Right out of a scene from John Carpenter's "THE THING!" Unfortunately, I know these things would have never happened, and this movie would have never been made. The closest I'll ever get was what I just saw today, and that wasn't quite what I had in mind when I pictured a Venom film in my head. But just for the record, I really do believe that the horror angle on Venom would be SO very interesting, and Sam "EVIL DEAD" Raimi would have DEFINITELY been a man I would have trusted it to.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Heckuva job, Avi ...

    by falawful-314

    First thing I want to say is, ANYONE out there who thinks Raimi would have had the final say about whether Venom and Stacey were in the film or not has his head so far up his own ass it must have popped back out his own mouth again. Oh yeah, the Studio Execs (famous for their deference to directors) are going to give Raimi carte blanche to call the shots on THE MOST EXPENSIVE FILM EVER and their #1 franchise. No way. Instead, Avi walks in to sell the suits on the Black Suit, and what's his pitch? Everybody now! "Just read the AICN Talkback boards ... the kids LOVE Venom! They want to see Venom!" Personally, I think Raimi responded with something of a cinematic "fuck you." Yeah, Spider-Man was his baby. Yeah, he managed to pull off not only the most financially successful comic book franchise, but the most CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED comic book franchise ever, and they respond by strong-arming him with the ONE character he specifically said he didn't want to use. So instead we get fragments of a GREAT film (the one with Peter/MJ/Harry and the Sandman as the McGuffin) sprinkled into one haphazard film that Raimi phoned in. I think it's pretty obvious that Raimi had his storyline laid out and only reluctantly shoe-horned in the Venom storyline. Think about it - Harry chasing after Peter because he thinks he killed his father ... and Peter chasing after Sandman because (ding! ding! ding!) he thinks he killed his uncle. Revenge vs. Justice. And yes, I think the Sandman's relationship to his daughter would have received WAAAAAAY more attention. It's Thomas Haden Church, for Christ's sake! He was hot after Sideways ... you think he'd have lept into a role that gave him (i.e., the REAL him) about five-minutes of screen time and three sentences of dialogue? I bet he was told he'd have a role as meaty as Doc Ock or Green Goblin ... and instead he got fucked. The movie picks up steam in ALL the scenes relevant to those core characters. Harry comes alive when he's plotting to ruin Peter's life - that scene in the cafe where Harry rubs MJ's betrayal in his face ... that rocks. The first battle scene between Spidey and Sandman is one of the best battle scenes in ALL the films. (Funny how that scene is in daylight and all the other fighting scenes are in the concealing dark of night ... hmmm, you think maybe those scenes were rushed in production as more of an after-thought?) And the reconciliation at the end could have really meant something if it wasn't so rushed. (And on a final note, the dancing sequence rocked - it showed what a nerd drunk on power would do and it worked like almost none of the other "black spidey" sequences in the film. If you want to know why they didn't give some demonstration of his new "powers," it's because no one in the audience would give a fuck that he can jump 30% higher or punch 40% stronger, or whatever the hell you expected. Without comic book exposition bubbles, it's hard to realize "super SUPER powers" on screen. And if your not a fanboy arguing over whether the Hulk or Thor is stronger, then you seriously DO NOT CARE. It's about what it does to Peter's character ... and yeah, dialogue and acting can be REALLY boring sometimes without CGI to get your juices flowing, but what are you going to do?)

  • May 6, 2007, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Raimi should go make a comedy now

    by BenBraddock

    Get it out of his system. Humour can work great in superhero films, and is often a welcome and much-needed element, but in moderation please! The first two films had their comedy "bum-notes", comic-relief scenes that played too long, the timing was off and they should have been cut way sooner. This one, #3, has a whole bunch - those of you who've seen it know EXACTLY which ones I mean. What was Raimi thinking? Why the need for loooooonnnngg scenes of Pete embarrassing himself (and us)? 10 seconds would have done, just the once. Not long minutes of seemingly never-ending, squirm-inducing, "WTF is this?!?!", "Did I just fall asleep and wake up in another film?" precious screen time. Raimi keeps doing it - did nobody close to him dare say anything? Like, "Hmm, that's not actually *that* funny, Sam, maybe we can just edit that bit?" Obviously not. Did we really need a 60 second hiatus in the (admittedly pretty unengaging) finale to have a lame "JJJ in need of a camera" joke (Hej, JJJ, there are like a hundred people behind you with SLRs - ask one of them instead of a little kid with a plastic toy camera)? I know, it's only a movie, but certainly it could be a LOT better if those shitty "funny" scenes were removed - they are, especially the "Bad-ass Pete" ones, the low-point of the entire series. Dunno if I'll even buy this on DVD - and I am a sicko completist. 'Nuff said. Until I think of some new stuff...

  • May 6, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    SPIDERMAN 1 & 2 DENIAL

    by sergio_lapel

    Why can't anyone admit that the first 2 Spidermans sucked????? The CG looked like shit in both of those films! The action scenes have had no impact because there's no weight to the scenes. It's all a big fucking video game. And both movies were BORING! Peter Parker's agnst in part 2 was repetitious. Aunt May was exhausting. The fight scenes, short and unexciting...which I guess is better than long and unexciting. (Woody Allen: "The food in that restaurant was terrible." "Yeah, and such small portions) And everyone's commenting on how goofy SPIDERMAN 3 is...well, does anyone remember the stupid the RAINDROPS KEEP FALLING ON MY HEAD montage from part 2? It was ridiculous. Everyone's criticizing Spiderman 3. The time to be critical was 5 years ago. Someone needs to make a Spiderman film with practical stunts and locations and less of this greenscreen CG shit.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Give 3 its due.

    by Jaykay

    C'mon guys. Why is everyone hating on this movie? I've seen it twice already. And I'm not gonna even try to sit in denial like I did for SW Episode 1 about it's flaws. It's absolutely not the BEST movie that there's ever been that's for sure. And we pretty much understand that and take it for what it's worth. I'm sure that the professional critics have jabbed at the film enough times to make a small impression on the next (if there will be one) for the lot of us. But I think that the movie was headed in the right direction. If the crew hadn't been so rushed for the movie to finish up then I'm sure we would have been able to see a second half that was as decent as the first half. Yes. It was a messy ending. Yes, people cried. But c'mon! Don't know about you, but I think that this movie was jotted with some of the most powerful scenes in all three of the Spideys. No one has mentioned this yet, but don't tell me you didn't hear those heartwrenching gasps in the theatre when Peter smacked MJ in the club. Don't tell me that you didn't feel for the guy when she told him it was over. Don't tell me that you didn't get off just a little seeing him struggle with taking the suit off in the belltower (boong...). I don't know what the standard is for a perfect film nowadays, but I know that we are far from making perfect comic books. And tell me, since I am unknowing, what your idea of great CG is... I saw glimpses of absolute greatness in the second half just as much as the first half, and for that, it doesn't suck. It's good. Not great. But good.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Yes,

    by RadWon

    Couldn't have said it better myself. As told by a true Spidey fan.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Sorry,

    by RadWon

    I was referring to the review. 'Couldn't have said it better myself'. I'm not SW:EP1-3 disappointed but I'm still disappointed.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Thanks Ambush Bug

    by BannedOnTheRun

    It's always refreshing when someone who can actually write pops up on the site. Salient points, too: The POWER...I think I'll...dance.

  • May 6, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    And no dancing!

  • May 6, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    matter of taste

    by foree forehead

    ambush bug reveals he's always had spider-man comics in his (ahem) 'pull' since he started reading but i find this to be impossible for if anyone over the age of 8 had read the clone saga they would never read a spidey comic again! so maybe he started reading after that pile of shit?

  • May 6, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 3.1

    by GERALD THE DALEK

    We are currently in the process of creating Spiderman 3.1, which despite the general aceness of the original wll most definitely be an improvement. Until the project is complete here are some exclusive behind-the-scenes making of vids. Raimi needed $300 million. We needed a tenner and a few beers. 'Nuff said. Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTWNtJ07z4 Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl2gI937mxU www.myspace.com/drzonino Z

  • May 6, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    spiderman 3 waste of my time and money

    by crazykrug72

    three's always suck why is everybody shocked this movie sucks

  • May 6, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    I wonder

    by photoginit

    I thought I had read somewhere that the original cut of this film was longer and Raimi had to cut it down to get it under 2 1/2 hours. There are parts of this movie that seem disjointed. There def. should been more of Peter in the black suit beating criminals almost to death. I think that would have help explained the darkness more. I am sorta mixed. There were things I liked, the action set pieces, how much peter loves being Spiderman now, Harry showing up in the final fight but there are things like, sloppy cgi-it was like watching matrix reloaded there real spidey theres fake spidey it was just sloppy, venom should have been created in the movie but not used except for the final shot-they could have done something really cool with some woman getting saved and thinkin it was Spidey but it turns out to be Venom and then she screams and end movie a perfect set up for the next, at times Dunst was great but sometimes it was like she didn't want to be there. Spiderman 2 is one of my fav. comic films they got so many things right(and the 2.1 version was even better hopefully we will get a 3.1 or directors cut) and they just crammed to many things in this one. I don't totally blame Raimi. I just don't understand after making 2 great movies that the producers would mess around with this franchise by forcing him to use a character he didn't want. But it is Hollywood after all.

  • May 6, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Tobey Maguire as Captain Kirk!

    by Ingeld

    He can't get into a fight without all of his clothes always getting ripped or shredded.

  • May 6, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Anyone notice?

    by ihuntrobots

    Hi. Few things I loved. The (fake) break-up at the park, Harry, and Spidey sitting on top of a building getting sand out of his suit. Things I didn't like? Well, same things as most everyone else. I did like the jazz club dance scene, but before that just looked like a blooper/gag reel to me. Also, the Sandman and Venom team up was unconvincing. Why would Sandman do that? I realize Spider-man tried to kill him, but it seems to me that Sandman would have steered clear of Spider-man after that rather than seek him out...and injure/kill a bunch of police in the process... Anyway,there are two things I think I noticed..just looking for some confirmation. Was the bank Sandman robbed the same bank from Spider-man 2? And wasn't the same bank teller (the one that denied Aunt May's loan) in the movie? I swore I saw him. Also, was Flash at Harry's funeral? Swear I saw him aswell. Thanks!

  • May 6, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Am I missing a Harry review somewhere?

    by INWOsuxRED

    I want to know what he ate for breakfast before he saw the film!

  • May 6, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Negative reviewers

    by teethgnasher

    " The FIRST time I paid to see the movie, I didn't like it." " The SECOND time I paid to see the movie, I still didn't like it. " The THIRD time I paid to see the movie, I didn't like again." Someone at Sony is laughing at you fools.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions... woah woah

    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    Hey there man, did we see the same film? I think maybe you saw something completely different, where "super fucking cool, wildly entertaining, funny, touching, and asskickingly cool" stuff happened "from start to finish." I saw a bunch of needless crying, hard-to-understand editing, lame phone tag and probably not more than 25 or 30 minutes of actual action. That's cool, though, to have your opinion, I support you. But where does all the aggression and anger come from, anyway? Why do you come to a geek Web site where geeks talk about geek stuff and blatantly name call and spread hate & aggression? Middle Age Virgins? Apparently fat people are the only kind of people that read comics now? Apparently movie and comic fans eat large sandwiches, drool on themselves, have acne, can't afford clothes and can't put words together? Dude, this is a talkback on a geek Web site. You coming here and posting that kind of slander and aggression makes you even worse. I love your writing skill & impressions of the film and I really enjoyed your perspectives on a ton of great points... for example, WILL the opinion change when the DVD comes out? The King Kong comparison was pretty fascinating, and it was really interesting to see someone give it praise for "bursting" with good stuff. That's definitely something I'd seen as a burden, but maybe there's some merit to it? Not really enough to make me change my opinion, but really solid points. Maybe just hold off on all the lame name-calling next time and write something really cool and thoughtful? Just my opinion, man, take care.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    ihuntrobots

    by INWOsuxRED

    Joel McHale of the Soup is not listed in the imdb for Spider-Man 3, and imdb knows everything.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Spot-on review, Ambush Bug

    by bottleimp

    What a disappointment this film is, especially considering how good Spidey 2 was. Maybe some of that rumored $300 million budget would have been better spent on script rewrites than sub-par CGI. Too many underdeveloped characters, too much time spent on song-and-dance routines, and not enough time spent on actually SHOWING Peter becoming stronger and darker. An entire film could have been made focusing on the alien suit/Venom storyline alone-- by just tacking the character onto this movie, an intriguing concept is reduced to a mildly baffling cameo. Was this movie only 2 and a half hours long? It felt like I was sitting there for at least four hours. Raimi really Shumacher-ed himself with this dud.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Alternate Ending

    by TissueConscience

    Maybe there was an alternate ending and it will be on the DVD, but just an alternate ending wouldn't change the entire movie. But if this is the last of the series I'd hate to have it end the way it did.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Spidey 3 Was a Dancing Snoozer

    by princess Zombielicious

    Ambush bug, you are so dreamy. Love your writing! You're awesome! I look forward to reading your work every week. I could agree more!

  • May 6, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Harry is taking the wait and see approach

    by AlwaysThere

    He's currently deciding if he should upload a rave review or a dissection of this movie.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Regarding the GC

    by Smashing

    I set my TV picture up through the colour/contrast/brightness section of the Return of the Sith DVD, my picture has never looked better and I watched Spiderman 2 and the CG looked way cooler with the Lucasfilm settings.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    The Spidey Twist ?

    by ludmir88

    The film was nearly to become a campy batman of the 70's just for the dance sequences. But i liked the movie after all. Too much crying!!!. Some people had wrote in this site a better script or, i have to say, better ideas for a diferent spiderman 3. I'm sure that Raimi had all the story figured out with sandman and the new goblin as villains but Avi Arad speak and everything change. Sandman story wasted, Eddie Brock wasted (Venom belong to spiderman 4), Gwen Stacy wasted. Well despite all this i liked it. We need a time machine people. And Iron Man, is he Iron Man or Plastic Man or Kevlar Man. The video disappointed me

  • May 6, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Harry's review is curiously absent. Maybe...

    by BiggieKaiju

    ... he's still writing it. After all, it's not a Harry review unless we know the exact size, shape, and consistency of the bowel movement he had the morning he saw the flick. Damn, that guy can ramble like nobody's business. But since "Spider-Man 3" is (arguably) THE geek movie for 2007, his lack of comment is puzzling. Post it before you put those quesadillas in the oven, you tubby bastard!

  • May 6, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Spiderman no m(ore)ask!!?

    by ludmir88

    Does Iron Man will have his helmet on all the time or he will take it off for crying or for a drink?

  • May 6, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Cooking Scene

    by runfoodrun

    Ok, this is the scene that threw me off, I liked the Peter dance scene, etc, but CU of omlets being made? I get that it was meant to show the relationship between HArry and MJ, but wouldn't the play he wrote for her have said that without eggs and the twist?

  • May 6, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Spidey on Disco Floor < nipples on Batusi

    by Napoleon Park

    Not a fan of sleazy and unfunny gossip monger Perez Hilton but I got a LOL from this line: "Spider-Man 3 made $59,000,000.00 it's opening day and Kristin Dunst probably thinks it's all because of her".

  • May 6, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    at 148 million buckaroos opening weekend

    by kikuchiyoboy

    This will hardly be the last we see of the webbed one.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah, i think its safe to say we will get a part 4 now!

    by jojo-pimp

    148 million in the US ALONE this weekend? the film has already made over a 100 million $ profit when you figure in foreign markets.....its a safe bet that even if tobey maguire asked for 25 or 30 mill for a part 4, he will definately get it. Maybe theres some hope we will get carnage and the lizard and a better story

  • May 6, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I'M THE SPIDER-MAN, BITCH

    by zombieslayer

    ...was yelled from a couple rows behind me when he smacked MJ at the club. Also, when she kissed Harry, I yelled "Bitch!" as, simutaneously, 2 others yelled slut and whore.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    I gotta agree with ZombieSolutions...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I thought the movie was fucking brilliant, and I'm an avid collector of the comic. I'm not saying that it's perfect, i'd say S2 has, so far, been the best version. But...i will say this<br><br>Spider-Man 3 has quite possibly the most beautiful origin scene for any comic book hero or villain. That scene with Sandman is amazing. Absolutely fan-fuckin-tastic. To whine and bitch about trivial things while not giving those 5 minutes of screentime their due is disgraceful.<br><br>Thomas Hayden-Church plays the role beautifully. What this bullshit about making you like the guy and having a go because they mention his sick daughter? That's the drive for the character and, for once, it's a human emotion that makes him do the things he does. I loved they line "I'm not a bad man, I've just had bad luck".<br><br>I also loved the conclusion of the Harry/Peter conflict. I absolutely adored the scene where the butler who has always kept his mouth shut, acts more like a father to Harry than his own ever did and tells him the truth. I actually got choked up at that scene. It closed the whole, "revenge" backstory nicely and, while it was very cliche, I just loved to see Harry come save his old pal. It kinda reminded me of the comic where Harry goes back to save Peter after having succesfully lured him to his mansion to kill him. That's one of my favourite moments in comics, and while not a scene for scene replay, i can tell the whole thing was written and shot with that issue in mind.<br><br>Overall, I can't see the problem with the movie. Yes, Venom sucks balls, but it was better handled than I gave him credit and at least we don't have to worry about that shitpot character appearing in the future.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    JUST POSTED UNDER MORIARTY'S....

    by DECKERS

    ...review after seeing 30 mns ago. Can't be assed typing again but just wanted any fans of Spidey, the comic book or the 1st 2 movies for that matter to go and see this with veery low expectations, fuck, I am so bummed..read me on the other page if you want:-(

  • May 6, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Bug.

    by superninja

    I almost broke down to see this yesterday and I just couldn't bear the thought of emo Peter on screen. Poor translation of the black costume saga!

  • May 6, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Peter is not a tool, and that dance scene says

    by superninja

    "tool", not misguided nerd. Peter matures into a handsome and intelligent young man with a smart mouth and a whimsical streak. This is Raimi thinking audiences will identify with this and maybe they will, but that's not Parker - sorry! The Spidey Mobile would've been more welcome.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Lots of people have bad luck and don't rob banks.

    by superninja

    Sandman should be portrayed as a criminal, not as misguided. That's another major drawback of this series - all the villains are more sympathetic than MJ.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Boomers Lips

    by allyousay

    I've written 6 scripts that I've sent into marvel. 4 of which were Spidey scripts.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    This will be unpopular to say but oh well I'm gonna

    by superninja

    anyway. Is it just me or do almost all of these superhero films seem to be robbing the characters of their masculine virtue? Parker is a sweet and sensitive guy in the comics, but is he a man-bitch as this movie seems to portray him? No. I mean a sobbing Spidey, a sobbing Green Goblin II, a sobbing Sandman? I think this movie needed a cameo of "It's Alright to Cry" by that guy from the Electric Company. <p>Superman Returns had Superman as a self-absorbed stalker. Daredevil had Affleck doing meet-cutes on a see saw with a female lead more masculine than he was. Milquetoast teen angst Reed Richards instead of a sophisticated genius in FF. Ghost Rider as a zen softie. A wimpy Cyke in the X-Men films. <p>I'm not saying every superhero film needs to be a 300, or that there is anything wrong with portraying emotion, but does it strike anyone as odd that Halle Berry's Catwoman seems tougher than Spider-Man?

  • May 6, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Er....No..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Goblin is never portrayed as sympathetic, ever. Even before he took the formula he was a cock.<br><br>Making Sandman the way he did Raimi did something totally different. He was already a criminal before he was transformed. So, rather than go on a crime spree after he's changed, it makes his character that little more human. As for bad luck, you'd be surprised at how low you can stoop when you're desperate.<br><br>I do note you're a venom fan from your words though. I guess you wanted Secret Wars crammed in there too eh?

  • May 6, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    SPIDERMAN 1&2 DENIAL by sergio_lapel

    by drdoom_v

    Sergio my man. I am so glad someone finally said it! Finally an original thinker! Someone not swept up by all the hype brianwashed to thinking I have to love these movies--I have to love these movies---I have to lo--screw that! They all sucked. Starting with tobey m.! Thay had moments that was it. Just moments. Sergio Its nice to know there are people like you out there. You give me hope!

  • May 6, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Actually, I despise Venom.

    by superninja

    He's a lame character and has no depth and I've never understood the appeal. Even visually, it lasts about 5 seconds. <p> As I stated on another thread, do people go to see superhero films so they can understand how mundane evil is? Why can't the Sandman just be a criminal because he's greedy and has bad character?

  • May 6, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    drdoom, Spidey1 has a terrible script.

    by superninja

    I rewatched it recently and it's awful. Spidey2 I genuinely like because it was less conventional. You really want to like these movies because visually they get so much right. Then there are great performances by Molina, Dafoe and Church (almost everyone agrees he has the best moment in the movie which is sad as the movie is Spider-Man) in spite of the bad scripting. <p> Why take the comic books and translate the most mundane part of it - the soap opera - when you have so much possibility visually that you could not effect in the comic book medium? The soap opera should enhance the action of the story, not be the primary focus. <p>I'm still waiting for them to get a comic book movie right.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Please Raimi,don`t go near the Hobbit...Please!

    by jimbubble

    I used to love this guy when he was out on his own,making the movies he wanted to make,instead of being fxcked up the ass from the Sony butt monkeys who wouldn`t know a good story if shat on their head! Stay clear of The Hobbit Sam,it will only haunt you for the rest of your life!

  • May 6, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Just had to say...

    by BiggieKaiju

    Superninja, you're absolutely right. Good of you to bring that up. Zombieslayer, thanks for the laughs. Funny fucking post.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Does anyone feel like...

    by cocolo

    This was two movies rolled into one? My God, I would have had Spider-Man rescue a space shuttle from crashing into NYC wth MJ's old fiance piloting for the rip roaring opening. The Symbiote is attached to the space shuttle and is attracted to Spidey's power. It attaches to him during the chaos after the rescue where Spidey outs out fires with his webbing. Sandman is introduced and as the plot of MJ's career stumble plays out Sandman's family gets more screentime to flesh things out. The Symbiote makes it's move and Spidey turns dark, with not as much dancing though. More moodiness! More Brock! He pushes MJ at the club and goes after Sandman in his anger and frustration at himself. The big finale is the subway fight (More elaborate since it's the finale!) and Peter tells Aunt may, gets the lecture, and he decides to end it. He goes to the church and tears off the symbiote as Harry is gassing himself! Spidey rids himself of the symbiote, Harry steps out of the gas chamber and Brock is consumed by the symbiote! As the camera zooms into Venom's mouth, roll credits! Great set up for part four! Part four! Harry makes MJ break up with Peter and kidnaps Gwen and drops her from the bridge! Spidey kills her with his webbing while catching her and he seriously questions his abilities to help people because Gwen loved Spidey so much. Sandman returns and teams up with Venom who doesn't set off Peter's Spidey sense (several big brawls and a chase throughout) and Spidey decides to end things once and for all! Things end as usual except Sandman's family shows up to try and stop Flint Marco. Spidey forgives Sandman and tells his daughter he is a good man who deserves a second chance and Sandman leaves with his family. After the big showdown with New Goblin double teaming Venom some of the symbiote survives and crawls away on brocks shoe as he is arrested and put into jail with a certain prisoner...dun dun dun! Carnage! Yeah! Spidey swings around NYC with MJ giggling on his back because they forgave each other! Yay! Happy ending! More money for Sony! Happier fans! Yay! What do you guys think?

  • May 6, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    cocol

    by jimbubble

    A hell of a lot better than the pile of rancid puddle of diarrhea I witnessed last night! Stick to the comic books!

  • May 6, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    What you mean Cocolo..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Is you would have the '94 cartoon Venom origin. I agree. Would have been much better than a meteor landing next to them in the park. When they introduced John Jameson as MJ's boyfriend in the last movie, i thought that would be how it goes, IF, they were to do venom.<br><br>As for why you cant just have a bad villain, well you could just have a bad villain, but then he wouldn't be very interesting. Dro.Octopus was interesting because his motivation was science, not to be plain bad. Goblin was insane, but i think you'll find that, with one or two exceptions, every comic book villain has a backstory to explain their motives.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Oh and Kirsten Dunst...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Now. She is my only real complaint. Every single scene she was in, she looked clammy and sweaty. Like she really needed to get a shower and maybe get a good shampoo in the old hair. She looked like she'd been working in a fast food joint over a griddle all day.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    4, 5 and 6 confirmed by studio

    by Smashing

    According to the ent section of the BBC website. fwip.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    BUG "One more hope, Kraven and Lizard in the next one"

    by Immortal_Fish

    So Spidey 3 should have saved Venom for the sequel, proving again how more than one villain per flick is bad. But let's hope this continues in the next sequel!<P>Are you people even reading your own words?

  • May 6, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    the 20 greatest SpiderMan villains!

    by Boomers_Lips

    http://blogzarro.com/?p=214 1 is Venom, 2 is Green Goblin, and 3 is Doc Ock. SandMan is 4, and Carnage is 5. the rest of the list at the link.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    POSTERS!!

    by ludmir88

    Where are the character posters of the film? The Sandman and daughter and teddy bear of comicon, the new goblin and venom? we don't need more unmasked spiderman posters!!! And Iron Man = Kevlar Man = Plastic Man. Mehh

  • May 6, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Damn you Avi Arad!!!

    by ludmir88

    Damn, i said it. Sorry but Raimi had a diferent (better) script before include the Venom character. I'm sure of that.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    agreeing & laughing with the Zombies

    by ElfinJam

    Zombiesolutions - totally agree with your assessment. This is a good movie - well worth my time to see... Zombieslayer - LOL when I read your post - In the theater I was in 2-3 people started clapping and cheering when spidey knocked MJ down....

  • May 6, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    I just watched it at home

    by Smashing

    Some lovely Chinese woman sold me a copy in the market this afternoon, she tried to give me the same amount back I gave her in change, I did not rob her. At home with a wee smoke Spidey 3 was even better, seemed shorter and I was not expecting much Venom and was actually pleased how cool he is it, he does kill Harry and menace well, the whole thing just felt better at home, maybe on DVD people will reverse there minds?

  • May 6, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    more on people calling MJ a whore after kissing Harry!

    by Boomers_Lips

    i saw it again and man, people in my theater still went apeshit when MJ kissed Harry and then when she dumped him at the bridge! I was surprised people were yelling out words like "whore, slut, bitch, ho" in a room with kids around.

  • May 6, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    Spidey Crushes Cap'n Jack

    by Roboteer

    The webslinger reclaims his rightful place by resetting most of the all time opening records. Beating out PIRATES2 by 10% to spare. To be fair, 3 opened on more screens than any other film in history. And whether it will have staying power the next week or two is wait and see. Sony had an excellent deal front loading their share to 85% the first week. Along with all the other sources of income here, this is gonna be a money machine. It set foreign box office records as well. Many audiences describe 3 as their favorite. Not to rehash this all again, but the objections to 3 I though were overstated. For example, there was a much more significant plot error in HEROES, in the pre-hiatus cliffhanger ep. When Eden blows her brains out before Sylar gets her power, he clearly busted through his high tech cell, only to be back in there when the series resumed, without even the benefit of a butler's explanation. And small errors as well, in the episode 2 weeks ago Sylar used Eden's power which he should not have absorbed. Plus Mohinder surprised attacked him from behind. What happened to Sylar's super hearing? And while laying there helpless, why didn't Mo kill him? He was ready to do it a few minutes before. If Sylar was groaning I could see vamoosing, but he was out cold. What's up with that? FF1 was pathetic throughout, but how did Thing run away with no money in Switzerland, then wind up a scene later back in NY with no explanation. He sure didn't do it on his good looks. There were no notes that rang that false in 3. But I guess if some wanna continue to find reasons to hate the greatest comic success story ever, instead of like it, nothing much will change that mindset.

  • May 6, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    Spidey Crushes Cap'n Jack

    by Roboteer

    The webslinger reclaims his rightful place by resetting most of the all time opening records. Beating out PIRATES2 by 10% to spare. To be fair, 3 opened on more screens than any other film in history. And whether it will have staying power the next week or two is wait and see. Sony had an excellent deal front loading their share to 85% the first week. Along with all the other sources of income here, this is gonna be a money machine. It set foreign box office records as well. Many audiences describe 3 as their favorite. Not to rehash this all again, but the objections to 3 I though were overstated. For example, there was a much more significant plot error in HEROES, in the pre-hiatus cliffhanger ep. When Eden blows her brains out before Sylar gets her power, he clearly busted through his high tech cell, only to be back in there when the series resumed, without even the benefit of a butler's explanation. And small errors as well, in the episode 2 weeks ago Sylar used Eden's power which he should not have absorbed. Plus Mohinder surprised attacked him from behind. What happened to Sylar's super hearing? And while laying there helpless, why didn't Mo kill him? He was ready to do it a few minutes before. If Sylar was groaning I could see vamoosing, but he was out cold. What's up with that? FF1 was pathetic throughout, but how did Thing run away with no money in Switzerland, then wind up a scene later back in NY with no explanation. He sure didn't do it on his good looks. There were no notes that rang that false in 3. But I guess if some wanna continue to find reasons to hate the greatest comic success story ever, instead of like it, nothing much will change that mindset.

  • May 6, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Hellpop

    Um, it's called the internet. Welcome! And yes, they really did mess Spidey 3 up, my being a geek or not.

  • May 6, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish...

    by Ambush Bug

    Read KRAVEN'S LAST HUNT, cast Lizard in the Vermin role, and you have a proper way to utilize the two villain format. Premise: Kraven is a big name hunter/croc hunter type. Dr. Connors becomes the Lizard in a lab accident. Kraven sets out to catch the Lizard in NYC, but Spidey catches him first, shaming Kraven. Kraven sets out for revenge against Spidey. Maybe the Bugle puts up a bounty to bring in Spidey and Kraven takes the job. Kraven breaks out the Lizard to draw out Spidey and the hunt begins...

  • May 6, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    The Kitchen Sink

    by magsweeto

    Since they were stuffing everything else in this movie, they could have dedicated at least 10 min. to Secret Wars and used that as an explanation for the black suit. Sure, it would have felt a little rushed, but it would still be better than The Blob ripoff. David Hasselhoff could be the Beyonder.

  • May 6, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Tagline should've been: You will believe sand can fly!

    by Ingeld

    Really. I never read the comic books but like the movies. I can suspend a lot of disbelief for fantasy movies--Peter Parker bitten by superspider has obtains the attributes of a spider, but every once in a while something just gets me- how the hell does sand fly? Also why does Peter strip himself of the symbiotic suit in the church with no concern for what will happen to it?

  • May 6, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    i loved the fake science!

    by Boomers_Lips

    i mean it wasnt even explained how sand could fly!

  • May 6, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Never like it from the beginning

    by wintocha67

    The CGI has never been convincing. From the first film to this one, it looks like a 3 foot tall cardboard cut out is being blown in the wind. No, it looks like Peter's shadow from the old Peter Pan movie with Sandy Duncan. Yeah. And saying you loved part II? The plot holes were so huge even an octopus couldn't escape from them. Fusion reaction dropped in a river, bah! Fusion scientist spends more time on AI arms than fusion. (Which is a better invention?)

  • May 6, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Just saw it for the second time.

    by Ironmuskrat

    I saw it Friday by myself in a packed theater and didn't like it much. I just watched it again on Sunday with my wife and daughter, still didn't like it, but the wife and kid loved it. So I guess there might be truth to the whole "it wasn't written for fanboi's" comment. The audience as a whole seemed to really dig it. I sat there watching Venom thinking what a waste his presents in the movie was and my wife leaned over and whisper "Wow! thats a scary monster, I'll be having nightmares tonight." I have to laugh at myself, she and 90% of the audience had no idea what Venom was or his back story, he was just another monster for Spidey to battle. Don't get me wrong, I still think the movie has huge flaws, but I am big enough to admit much of my dislike comes from my preconceived notions about how things should have been done based on the comics.

  • May 6, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    next weekend

    by Audets70

    Lets be honest...as bad as SOME want Spidey 3 to do at the box office, there is no way it slips out of the top 5 until June sometime. Shrek and Pirates will hurt it, but it will still make bank next weekend. Im sorry...but bitchy Lindsay Lohan, British Zombies or Larry The Cable Guy Army movie are not gonna take down Spidey!!!! But since ALL blockbusters are so front loaded these days...a 50% drop, which would still be an amazing 75 million....is probably expected! But of course, a 50% drop will have all the haters screaming 'ha!' Even though half the films coming out this summer would be happy to open with 75 mil!

  • May 6, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    IAN McSHANE for Kraven!

    by Drath

    Hell, I might as well start it now, the bitching about the Emo haircut is already old.

  • May 6, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    That's The Problem!!!

    by cocolo

    The Spider-man films weren't just great comic book adaptations- They WERE GREAT MOVIES! Spidey 3 misstepped the adaptation part and as a film, it had pacing problems, WILD shifts in tone that snapped the viewer out of the moment, and too many subplots much like butter over too much bread. Some emotional scenes fell flat because they didn't have time to breathe so that they can put in Venom for 20 minutes. Dee Dee Dee! I like the movie, it's just what could've been.

  • May 6, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    That's The Problem!!!

    by cocolo

    The Spider-man films weren't just great comic book adaptations- They WERE GREAT MOVIES! Spidey 3 misstepped the adaptation part and as a film, it had pacing problems, WILD shifts in tone that snapped the viewer out of the moment, and too many subplots much like butter over too much bread. Some emotional scenes fell flat because they didn't have time to breathe so that they can put in Venom for 20 minutes. Dee Dee Dee! I like the movie, it's just what could've been.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Kraven could make the next one more suspenseful.

    by decfx

    Sort of like "Predator" going after the web head. More methodical. More menacing. My 2cents.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    The Green Goblin II is more heroic than Spider-Man.

    by superninja

    Yup, that's how they do superHEROES nowadays. The villains are more heroic/sympathetic than the heroes. Maybe someone should've let Hitler escape because his mommy didn't love him?

  • May 6, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    "I'm sorry, MJ, I didn't mean to backhand you.

    by superninja

    The symbiote made me do it." <p>"Oh, what's that? My Jared Leto phase with the eyeliner? Oh, the symbiote made me too that also." <p> "Attempting to murder the Sandman? Ooops! Symbiote!"

  • May 6, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by White Goodman

    I went and saw it with a bunch of non fanboys. Everyone liked the first 2 but thought the 3rd was shit. The last time I heard that many guys telling their girlfriends they wanted to leave was when I saw the Village. That movie also sucked ass.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Thank God I opted not to see this

    by IndustryKiller!

    Sounds like the train wreck I knew it would be. No surprise the apologists are in full excuse mode here.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    post above me

    by Audets70

    I always laugh when I read retarded thoughts as this. DId 'White Goodman' actually walk around the theatre asking if EVERYONE near him was a fanboy or not? Probably not...but its funny that he KNOWS for 100% that there were no fanboys in hiw WHOLE screening. And come on....I always love when someone can guess exactly what EVERYONE in the whole theatre thought or said to someone next to them. Its amazing how much of a spidey hearing sense internet bitchers have isnt it??? And WG...how do you know EVERYONE liked the first 2? GO around and ask them too? Hahahaha! I dont know about you guys, but I pay my money and watch the shit up on the screen. I dont care about who likes or doesnt like the film and I dont spend time...that I paid 8 bucks for...trying to spy in on the inner thoughts and words of people around me. Some of you need to learn how to just enjoy a movie for once. I have something I can say that will be correct for about 96% of the these fanboys bitching about how bad it was. In late October/Early Novemeber...they will be right NEXT to me in line buying the dvd on the first day it comes out!!!

  • May 6, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Superninja good to see you still fighting the good...

    by IndustryKiller!

    fight here. I've def been slacking on that front. It's noice to see there are still people around who have some concept of how genre films are done well.Oh and on your list of candy ass superheroes in film don't forget Hugh Jackmans completely defanged Wolverine who got softer and softer as the franchise went on.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Yes, cinema Wolvie was defanged.

    by superninja

    I like Jackman which prejudices it completely, but based on the original characterization, they romanticized him a bit. Batman Begins is really the only recent superhero film I can think of where it is actually about him realizing it is bigger than himself and his own troubles and him acting in a heroic way. Even though he does let Ducard die at the end, it's not like in Spider-Man 3 where Peter attempts to murder Sandman outright.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Audets it's ironic that after a post raving about...

    by IndustryKiller!

    ...how you can't read a stranger's behavior and thoughts you go on to say that people who don't like the film will be in line next to you buying the DVD. Stunning argument you got there. "Shut up and just enjoy the movie" is really what it boils down to. Boy that's a compelling indictment of the "haters". You really got us there.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Superheroes Don't Cry! Buzz Scripts NOVA Movie...

    by Buzz Maverik

    Superninja is right! With Marvel running out of heroes to film, they've hired me to bring 3rd stringer THE MAN CALLED NOVA to the screen. I've just written a great scene:<p>GINGER: "We can't see each other any more, Richie."<p>RICH:"Really? That sucks."<p>GINGER(under her breath):"Powerhouse is forcing me to say that."<p>RICH:"How'd he know I was going to break up with you anyway? Here I thought he hated me, and he's trying to do me a favor. Is that you lurking over there, Powerhouse? Beers, 24/7, bro!"

  • May 6, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Sample Action Dialogue From NOVA Script...

    by Buzz Maverik

    NOVA:"You guys may have kicked my ass all those other times but...ow! Fuck, man! I wasn't ready...Ow!...ALRIGHT! ALRIGHT!"

  • May 6, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Sample Character Development Dialogue From NOVA Script:

    by Buzz Maverik

    RICHIE:"Yeah, Caps stood in line all day yesterday to see it last night. I looked outside just now and they got the school police out there and they were busting him, so I think he was trying to come back and see it again. Not that that means this is a good movie, because I've seen movies with Caps before....That noise? It's the radio hidden in my helmet. Sandman's trashin' downtown. Relax! He's very thorough. He'll still be trashing after we see the movie and get a chili burger and I'll stop him then...unless the school police bust me on the way out."

  • May 7, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Superheroes can cry, they just have to earn their tears

    by superninja

    <>

  • May 7, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Buzz, have you seen it or not, and if so, what

    by superninja

    is your opinion?

  • May 7, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Actually, that Nova would probably be great.

    by superninja

    Like Fast Times at Ridgemont High but one of the guys wears a helmet.

  • May 7, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Hahahahaha

    by cocolo

    Flying sand hehehe! Hey, I read the Novelizationa dn it has a great explanation to why Peter left the Symbiote in the church. In the novel, right after he tore it off of him, he was so weak he knew he couldn't fight it off. He was planning on coming back in protective gear to ensnare it. Makes sense. Kraven and lizard would be great. And the vulture! Yeah! All animal themed and heavy Jurassic Park percussion soundtrack hahahaha! I lOVE IT! hahaha

  • May 7, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST

    The convenience with Brock and the church doesn't

    by superninja

    bother me in a comic book film. To me that's more easily explained away than Peter being coerced to commit murder.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    three hundred and seventy five million dollars

    by Napoleon Park

    what a disaster, what a trainwreck. they spend three hundred million dollars to make a movie and only made a profit of seventy-five million dollars on the opening weekend. Thank goodness all the negative reviews killed the box office and defended the integrity of faithful adaptations of comic book properties. I'll bet the suits at Sony are cursing Arad and Raimi over how much this might have made if had been good.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    In Other News. . .

    by carrierj1

    Spider-Man 3 has the largest weekend gross of all time. Damn you Arad and Raimi!

  • May 7, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Spidey the Humanist

    by ethan cellar van doren

    This is my first post ever on Aint it Cool, and it's motivated purely by the fact that I feel like the general consensus for Spidey 3 is negative for all the wrong reasons - focusing on plot devices (which all tie to the theme perfectly) and focusing on expectations that weren't met about Venom, and, of course, focusing on the scene everyone loves to hate- Spidey dancing. I personally loved the film and have been waiting patiently for a review to set the record straight about what this film is actually about: humanism vs. idealism. First, it's obvious that the movie's theme is that forgiveness is impossible without understanding. What isn't so obvious is how every single detail of the movie (from the seemingly tacked on dialogue between Peter and Marko at the end to the broken door motif) serves this theme. The film defines understanding as trying to see where someone else is coming from in an attempt to relate and therefore forgive the wrong that they have done against you. The biggest obstacle to understanding is idealism - religion, patriotism, sexism - and the result of yielding absolutely to any ideology is the loss of identity. Therein lies the compelling question that Spider-man 3 raises: what is America's identity? The giant American flag isn't at all present for fans to feel patriotic about their country. Unless it is the kind of patriotism that defines America as a country poised to change the world if only those in power would attempt to empathize with their enemies instead of branding them "evil". I almost weeped at the end when it finally clicked what Raimi was doing with this movie: he was providing his solution to a war based on revenge in a time where America is split right down the middle on what kind of identity they want to project to the world - on one hand, there is the idealism of the evangelical conservatives, and on the other hand there is the humanism of the educated liberals. I believe he sides with the latter when he creates a fiercely anti-religious, pro-human discourse wild ride of a film. Some comic fans may not be looking for a political statement in their fun summer movie, and some screenwriting purists may hate the cliches of the several deux ex machinas (the symbiote falling from the sky, the butler), but I am convinced it all works to serve the theme. And not only that. When taken in context with the first two films (which were wonderfully character driven), to end the Raimi trilogy with the idea that the hero is just as dangerous as the villain is both cathartic and satisfying. Quint got it exactly right when he said the one villain Raimi really wanted to put on screen was Spiderman. And maybe it’s okay that the fun has gone out of the story – Spidey is grown up now. For me, the action was as fun as any other Spider-man movie, but the subtext and theme of forgiveness (in a non-Sunday school definition) elevated this film above the other two for me. All in all, I hate long posts just as much as the next guy, but I honestly can’t say enough about this film.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Audets70

    by christpunchers2007

    sorry but a lot of people wont be buying the dvd unless theres a recut/extended version of this movie. so if i didnt like this movie and found it to be a disappointment im a fanboy? that im wrong and i shouldnt have a brain to critize? give me a break. im pretty sure there were less an a handful of screenings where people booed and walked out shaking their heads like so many people reported with spiderman 3.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    People didn't boo

    by cocolo

    But they laughed at serious scenes like the fake break-up on the bridge in the park and right when Harry died, People packed up their kids and walked out. Oops. Guess they didn't care for the dialogue. I watched the movie in Corona, CA by the way to give you an idea of the crowd that went.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    People didn't boo

    by cocolo

    But they laughed at serious scenes like the fake break-up on the bridge in the park and right when Harry died, People packed up their kids and walked out. Oops. Guess they didn't care for the dialogue. I watched the movie in Corona, CA by the way to give you an idea of the crowd that went.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    People didn't boo

    by cocolo

    But they laughed at serious scenes like the fake break-up on the bridge in the park and right when Harry died, People packed up their kids and walked out. Oops. Guess they didn't care for the dialogue. I watched the movie in Corona, CA by the way to give you an idea of the crowd that went.

  • May 7, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    sorry for these double and triple posts

    by cocolo

    My dell is acting up

  • May 7, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    ethan cellar van doren

    by fluffybunnywhiskers

    I'd like to man-handle you. Very well said. I'm totally with you on the thematic elements, I'm just reluctant to leap as far as saying it doubles as a political message, but it does tie in what the American flag is all about in that scene. It's not "America Rocks!" it's "Spider-Man, the real one, is back!" with the red and blue suit that matches the red and blue flag... I thought of it more as he has his identity again, stripped of the darkness and now anew and more comfortable than ever with what he had before. But damn if I'm not impressed to see someone speaking intelligently in a comment on this site..

  • May 7, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Ignore him.....

    by Blok Narpin

    Ambush Bug is totally wrong. Spidey 3 is AWESOME. Best of the three Spider-Man movies, by far. Bring on Spider-Man 4!!

  • May 7, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Kraven

    by halfmadjesus

    Funny a bunch of people seem to want to see Kraven as the next movie bad guy. I get that he's a classic Spidey villain, but there's nothing visually exciting about Kraven - he's a dude wearing a lion's head as a vest. And the reason they ultimately killed him off in the comics, is that he's really no physical match for Spider-Man. Kraven's cunning kept him from getting his ass handed to him TOO easily, but it took all his skills just to stay in the game. I can only see Kraven working out in a pared-down Spider-Man film - one that doesn't cost $250 million to make - because he just doesn't have the visual pop or the powers of a Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman or Venom. Maybe if you toss the Lizard into the mix as well, but then you've got the two villains thing going again, which people seemed to have a problem with this time. On his own, I don't think Kraven cuts it as the major villain in a big-budget Spidey flick - my two cents.

  • May 7, 2007, 3:51 a.m. CST

    fluffybunnywhiskers

    by ethan cellar van doren

    I'll admit the political statement is a bit of a leap, but I'd like to think artists today can't help but comment on the current war. I just finished reading through the 40th Anniversary Rolling Stone magazine including interviews with Scorsese, Nicholson, Spielberg, McCartney, etc. and they're all talking about Vietnam and today. I guess it was probably on my mind more than those who went into Spidey for a popcorn flick.

  • May 7, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    I may get booed for this. . .

    by ethan cellar van doren

    I had the random thought that Spider-man 3 almost resembled what I would picture if the Coen Brothers had gotten a hold of it.

  • May 7, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST

    ethan cellar van doren

    by cocolo

    OMG you're totally right...the pacing, the attention to detail (Peter taking the ring out of the botte and wiping it down) and that weird ass sense of humor....Don't get me wrong, I like the Coen Bros. but Spidey has a tone set from the first two that 3 just ran down...like a cow hahaha

  • May 7, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    HornOrSilk

    by christpunchers2007

    love the idea...... but knowing sony they'll probably want to insert carnage nn there somewhere, adding further insult to the raping of this series.

  • May 7, 2007, 5:06 a.m. CST

    i would like

    by christpunchers2007

    to see ONE lesser villian: shocker/rhino/scorpian, you know, the "braindeads", to be in sm4, lizard to be the main course, and supporting villian, could be either mysterio, kraven (best suited for the lizard story as youve pointed out) or even a chameleon (parker vs parker). In SM5 maybe they could bring brock back, the symbiote regenerates the host and bam we'll have a full on brock vs parker story. But as of now it would be a mistake for them to bring back any of the symbiotes, i dont want to the horrible christ young's theme to be replayed on the bigscreen ANY TIME SOON.

  • May 7, 2007, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Kraven would rock...

    by cocolo

    Go all Empire Strikes Back (dark and character driven) because JJJ put a bounty on Spidey...and from the wilds of Australia to the wilds of NYC comes Kraven for his last hunt...Hugh Jackman can play him! Hahaha jk!

  • May 7, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Second time and it`s was a painful experience!

    by jimbubble

    So sad to see Raimi bowing out of Spidey with this garbage. I`ll say it again..Sam if you go anywhere near the Hobbit I`ll hunt you down like one of your fxckin Evil Dead characters....leave it to someone who can still direct a movie! PLEASE!

  • May 7, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    The movie wasn't that bad

    by Mr Incredible

    What do you guys want? ELEKTRA? SUPERMAN RETURNS? Now that was a true piece of crap. Sure, they should have saved Venom for another movie and had more time for Sandman, but overall it was pretty good. As for the fourth one, I think Vin Diesel would be good as The Scorpion and maybe throw in Christopher Plummer as Spencer Smythe to create a Spider-Slayer or two. Just an idea.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I Did See The Movie, Superninja...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...My opinion is not too different than the general consensus. It wasn't horrible, but I've seen better movies.<p>One thing I liked that everbody else hated was Harry Osbourne's butler. I think I would have rather seen a movie about a butler who works for two generations of supervillains as all this weird shit goes on in the background. He'd meet with other domestic and support staff of extraordinary gentlepersons, of course. My favorite scene:<p>HARRY:Hives, do I have any girlfriends?<p>HIVES:There was Miss Bambi and Miss Thumper, sir, but you lent them out to that fellow who wanted to kill the British secret service agent.<p>HARRY:Oh. See if I still have their number. I need to get laid, and for some reason I keep getting an image of Iron Fist getting to close to an operation of mine under Rockaway Beach.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    ethan cellar van doren

    by superninja

    Walter Chaw's review over at Film Freak essentially said the same thing. Guess what? I'm not buying. Absolutes are more important generally speaking than understanding - especially when you're dealing with someone who committed manslaughter, assault with intent to harm, massive property damage and armed robbery. Especially in a comic book movie when those themes need to be very clear for it to be successful in its use of archtypes. <p> If this was meant to be a political statement, how about Gwen being Republicans duped by the misguided dead-eyed stare of emo Peter Parker and MJ being the Democrats who just want to have everything to be about understanding her and her problems while the criminals are running rampant through the city? See, it works.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    The hero just as dangerous as the villain.

    by superninja

    Post modernism at its finest. Superheros are moral fables, so how you avoid idealism without deconstructing/breaking the character? Easy: you can't. Witness Superman Returns and now Spider-Man 3.

  • May 7, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    In ethan's Captain America movie, Cap will

    by superninja

    surrender to the Nazis in the name of humanity!

  • May 7, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Hornosilk

    by Caped Revenger2

    I like your idea of a teaser opening with a second-tier villain. Always thought it would be fun to open the movie with Spider-Man swinging across the city, fighting maybe one or two villains, just real quick punch fests, quickly dispatching them, all so he can get home and give Aunt May her medicine. It sums up the real essence of Spider-Man, that he has real obligations to the people in his life, while the villains are sometimes distractions - big, city block-leveling distractions. But I fully agree that it would make the universe feel more complete - I don't think you need huge origin stories with these villains anymore, which is why I was glad that the Sandman's was fairly short - Raimi's New York is similar to the Marvel Universe - the people of Manhattan almost take these weird begins in stride, which is how it should be. You can't have "realistic" reactions, otherwise people would be having nervous breakdowns every time a fight like this breaks out.

  • May 7, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    People ready to hate on this without thought.

    by Smashing

    Not only do you not really understand cinema but the fact you are blasting the people who made the first 2 movies and now claiming 3 is shit makes you seem slightly retarded. yes Spidey 3 is different but it is as strong and as good as the first 2, maybe it was not what you where expecting but to claim it is poor is to admit you are a twat. Anyone who left the cinema during this film did so so they could say they had left, simple as, it was not an artistic call but motivated by the pack mentality sweeping the world. In his review Antman claims a scene where Peter goes from outside a Theatre to back inside is a sign of bad editing, maybe its more revealing of bad reviewing, the scene in question is a minor point but if the reviewer and others think of this as an example of bad film making then they have obviously never directed anything in there life. Stop hating on Spiderman 3 and go enjoy the best superhero movie ever made, it wipes the floor with Superman Returns and Batman Returns as a dull ninja.

  • May 7, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Yeah, MJ & HER Problems...

    by Buzz Maverik

    I was annoyed by the line:"I just want to act and have you in the front row every night."<p>What is Pete, her personal cheerleader? I don't think anybody, male or female, should exist simply to cheer on their romantic partner. MJ wasn't considering Peter as a scientist/photographer/adventurer, merely as an ego-fluffer. AND she knows his secret identity. She knows he's not some puppy dog thanking God he scored so far out of his league. He's a powerful being who frequently takes down powerful maniacs.<p>It was a typical bad movie problem. She could have just told him that she was fired. If they'd played it with more humor, it could have been that Mary Tyler Moore line from the old DICK VAN DYKE SHOW:"If you don't know what's wrong, I'm not going to tell you." Except it was cute when Mary said it.<p>Peter should have dumped her ass for Opie's daughter right then and there.

  • May 7, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    My NOVA Script Has An Iraq War Subtext...

    by Buzz Maverik

    RICH:I could join the Army after I graduate. They could send me to Iraq. Wouldn't it be funny if I got shot, since I'm, like, fuckin' bulletproof? The Army'd be easy, except you have to make yer bed really good and get yer shoes shined just right. And all that walking in line. Maybe I'll just find some club and be a bouncer."

  • May 7, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah, she is like the posterchild for selfish and

    by superninja

    dysfunctional women who complain their men don't pay enough attention to them and really don't know what they want only that this is not it. Would she even like Parker if he wasn't Spider-Man? I doubt this version of MJ would. <p> In the comics MJ was one of those girls that was extremely confident and part of the fun was that Spidey was dating way out of his league, not just the frumpy girl next door with the raincloud over her head who wants it all.

  • May 7, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Bryce Dallas Howard Is Just Glad...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...that she didn't inheirit Uncle Clint's looks. I think Clint Howard should play the Mole Man in some Marvel movie.

  • May 7, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Clint Howard would be sweet as the moleman.

    by superninja

    He could've been Golem and they wouldn't have needed hardly any makeup, just a loincloth. Incidentially, Adriana Lima looks like Clint Howard if he were a chick. And hot.

  • May 7, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    I don't hate Dunst at all, I just think she works

    by superninja

    best when she plays people whose hopes and dreams have been shattered, and that's just not MJ.

  • May 7, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Bravo, Bug!

    by The Heathen

    I literally feel the same way, maybe a little more upset by it all though. I don't think the studio, Arad, or the poor script ever needed to cram this many characters into the movie. I mean, Sony is planning on milking this thing until the nipples fall off probably. There's already talks of a second trilogy, let alone a fourth movie. They could have stretched out the stories, not decompressed them like us comic readers are so used to, but made the stories count like they did with the first two films. I'm really, really upset by how bad it was. So was the group I was with too. I've already heard from people that it must be good because of the money it made and other people who thought it was just mediocre (I can see a non-comic reading person thinking that) but gave it a pass because... wait for it... "it's just a comic book movie and that's how comic books are." Yeah, I've heard that three times already from people in person who've never read a comic and it's only Monday. Yay.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    In Addition To NOVA, I've Been Hired To Write SPIDEY 4.

    by Buzz Maverik

    SPOILER-A-RAMA-ALERT-A-RAMA! Going outside of Spidey's established Rogue's gallery and into the general Marvel Universe, the story is going to center around the Mole Man (Clint Howard) abducting Gwen Stacey (Bryce Dallas Howard). The film will be directed by Ron Howard, not Sam Raimi. Spidey (who will most likely not be Tobey Maguire)must journey into the underground realms, battling the Moloids, Lava Men, Morlocks, and the Mole Man's Monster Horde to rescue Gwen. No mention is to be made of Mary Jane, as everybody finally figured out that the character they called "Mary Jane" in the movies was actually "Gwen" and the character they called "Gwen" in SPIDEY 3 was actually "Mary Jane". I told Avi that I could easily handle the two screenplays at once and I may take a rewrite job as well. I simply require three laptops. The hard part will be switching music. 70s stoner rock, Zeppelin, Foghat for Nova; superhero soundtracks for Spidey; and who knows what for the rewrite gig.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    SPOLERINI! Dr. Strange To Cameo In Spidey 4.

    by Buzz Maverik

    When Gwen is abucted, her father thinks the subterraneans might be demons so he and Pete contact Dr. Strange (to go with employing the Howard family, Doc will be played by Terrence Howard). Doc holds a seance and they contact the ghost of Curly Howard, who tells them that Gwen was carried off by Hollow Earth dwellers and not hellspawn.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Superninja--way to ruin Adriana Lima for me.

    by SleazyG.

    Eeeesh.<p> Man, how much better a choice was Bryce Dallas Howard for, like, everything? She's actually attractive, she's capable of acting, and while I'd hope never to find out I bet she's got a better singing voice, too. I've hated Dunst in all three of these movies, but dear god was Mary Jane insufferable in this thing. Why am I supposed to hope things work out with those two, exactly?<p> That said, anybody calling MJ a bitch for being upset about Spidey kissing Gwen or dumping Petey on the bridge against her will is an ignorant jerk. Even I felt bad for her at those two points.<p> and bad for me every other time she was on screen.

  • May 12, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay....more like Michael Gay!!!!

    by mrtwig48

    Comics are for kids....just like Trix.

  • May 14, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Spidey-Night Fever!

    by Gatack

    Brilliant. http://tinyurl.com/372qj3

  • June 6, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I agree about the "dark power" stuff

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Raimi should have demonstrated "dark" Spidey doing typical Spider-Man stuff, not dancing around. There's a shot in the Bugle offices where Robby shows us a handful of black suit Spidey pics Peter brought in. One of them depicts Spidey double-fisting motorcycles, lifting the bikes right over his head as the bad guys tumble off. Where the fuck was THAT in the movie? Oh, right, it wasn't. Instead we got him playing piano.

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