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Moriarty Takes A Swing At... Er, With SPIDER-MAN 3!!
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The hardest reviews to write are genuinely mixed reviews, where you’ve got both good and bad to express, and you’re not really committed to either. So it is with SPIDER-MAN 3, Sam Raimi’s latest entry into the series. And before I go any further, let’s review: here’s my review for SPIDER-MAN, and here’s my review for SPIDER-MAN 2. I stand by both reviews. I really like the SPIDER-MAN series so far. I thought the second one did pretty much everything right. And I walked into this one expecting another effortless home run from Raimi.
It’s not, though. It’s not a terrible movie, but it’s certainly not a great one, either. It’s got a lot of issues. It’s a really sloppy script. Raimi pulls off some sequences here that are just exhausting, some of the best superhero action I’ve ever seen anyone shoot. The full-length version of the first fight between Peter and Harry is punishing, completely character-driven, and pretty suspenseful. There are moments of action throughout that are surprising, well-designed, well-animated. But the movie is stitched together on the flimsiest coincidences imaginable, a disappointing quilt of indifferent exposition, and on a script level, it makes so many frustrating leaps that it ultimately collapses.
I think this one works as a quickly-described plot: Peter’s happy, about to propose, when the symbiote first gets involved in his life. Harry attacks him, but he’s badly hurt, and Peter feels terrible. The Sandman is born, and he gives Peter real trouble. Spider-Man can’t stop him. The Sandman’s sort of sympathetic, too. The symbiote suit bonds with Peter. It gives him amplified powers. But it also starts to have demands of its own. It has wants. Peter finds himself trapped in it. He has to fight his own nature, shed the symbiote. Then he has to beat Sandman himself. Almost dies. Harry comes to his rescue. Everyone gets closure. It all sort of makes sense.
But there are some really weak choices in terms of the actual specifics in the script. The way that bare bones version plays out isn’t that clean. It doesn’t quite work that way. It’s filled with a lot of strange digressions in tone and narrative. It’s thematically uneven.
And yet... there are things that happen that make you forget any script problems you’re having. Take the Sandman’s birth, for example. It’s a haunting sequence, beautiful and emotional and an example of digital performance at its finest. The way this pile of sand tries to pull itself together, as if remembering what it was like to be human, determined to be like that again... this whole character thing plays out in silence, and it’s riveting. This is Raimi at his most engaged, totally committed to the material.
Then there’s a scene that takes place later, where the Sandman encounters Venom in an alley. They fight for about two seconds and then Venom tells the Sandman that he wants to team up to get Spider-Man. It’s perfunctory. It’s expository. It’s all plot mechanics, and I don’t really buy the scene at all. It has to happen so the next part can happen, but it doesn’t feel right. These characters look interesting, and they have a few interesting moments, but they don’t behave with enough consistency to actually be called characters. The Sandman is given a backstory with a sick daughter, and he sort of mentions money a few times, money he’ll use to help her, but that’s it. She’s gone from the film as anything more than a device. She plays no part in the ending, and The Sandman seems to forget her completely in making his last choice. Thomas Hayden-Church is the right guy with an underwritten part. He invests this crazy freaky creature with a soul. He doesn’t know what the hell he is now, and it obviously freaks him out. Still, he’s willing to try and use it. He’s been given an advantage, and he has to exploit it. His best work is all done silently, sort of in the tradition of Boris Karloff as Frankenstein. You can see Sam’s love for the classic Universal movie monsters in the way he handles Sandman here, and I wish he’d really played with that some more.
Topher Grace has a different problem. His role’s underwritten, but that’s because the script doesn’t really have anything interesting for Venom to do, and it doesn’t give it time to do it. He’s pretty cool to look at, and his appearance in grainy news footage is a fun sequence. But he’s a half-baked characterization. And I don’t say that as some loony Venom fan. I am aware of the character from the comics and the animated version and particularly from the ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN reboot, but I don’t really have any strong opinion about the “right” way to write him. All I say is that SPIDER-MAN 3 did not solve that particular problem, and I’m left feeling like he didn’t belong in this film at all.
There is indeed a great epic Bruce Campbell appearance, there are indeed three annoying song-and/or-dance sequences, and this $300 million superhero action movie does indeed end with four people on a rooftop, hugging, crying, and talking out their feelings. Including a bad guy. Or two.
Here’s the most damning thing I can say about the movie: I’m in no rush to see it again, and there’s nothing about it that jumps out at me now. It’s a Teflon film. So much of the writing here seems focused on the Mary Jane/Peter relationship, which is by far the least successful part of the film, that it drags the entire film down. It’s strange to see Sam mishandle the soap opera side of things, since he managed to strike the right balance in the first two films. Here, though, characters behave in ways that only serve to advance the plot. And the use of amnesia as a plot device on top of misunderstandings that anyone could sort out if they only spoke to each other complicated by the totally random introduction of the symbiote compounded by the convenient Butler who adds exposition he couldn’t possibly know... it all adds up.
So to recap... anytime the movie turns into an action movie, it starts to come to life. Raimi takes this film someplace new visually, and I wish the dramatics lived up to that level of imagination. Since I know everyone’s going to see it... and you should, although with managed expectations... you should see it IMAX. This was one of the more immersive experiences I’ve had with IMAX so far. There’s something dizzying about swinging through New York in a frame of that size that makes it worth a little extra effort to get to the theater.
I know Sam Raimi loves Spider-Man as a character, and I have no doubt he’s enjoyed his time in the trenches. But I’d love to see him move on now. Keep his hand in as a producer on the series, but hand over the scripting and directing duties to someone fresh now. Even with a misstep like this, I think they’ve built a pretty successful cinematic world for this series, and I hope whatever they do next proves to be a rebound creatively. Let Sam go make some different types of movies to recharge the battery. Let someone else come in who is going to give us some of the joy in the series. After the end of that second film, I thought for sure this entry in the series would show us a Spider-Man at peace with who he was, enjoying the way his life is working out, facing down threats with new confidence. Mary Jane by his side should not be the source of every single bit of misery in his life. It’s a drag to sit through, and that’s something I never thought I’d say about a Raimi SPIDER-MAN film.
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
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Even with its sea of story problems, Spidey 3 at least has a soul...unlike Ratner's clusterfuck movie.
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At least, that's what studios think. How else can you explain three villains, two girls and generally way too much going on? It's that old theory that if you throw enough shit at the walls something is bound to stick. I think we have Dead Man's Chest to blame. That was a big, noisy blockbuster with no semblance of a plot and it made about a billion dollars. Now everyone wants to follow that model. As for me, I just want my two and a half hours of sleep back. Stupid midnight movie!
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I agree with you, Mori.
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Amnesia is straight from the comics. Harry gets amnesia and forgets he's the Goblin. The Butler is AGAIN straight from the comics. So Moriarty's problem is that Raimi was true to the source. That bastard!!! Quint had the same lame problems but added the Sandman transformation, which in the comics if memory serves was just as freaking convenient as the movie.
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This is great.
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i couldnt beleive what they were having toby doing. i almost completely flipped out
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if there was no venom plot, i would have liked the movie. venom was only in the movie to get people into the theaters, and he was only actually venom for about 10 minutes. a complete and disgusting waste. without him there would have been no emo blacksuit spiderman to ruin the movie.
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that movie was unwatchable
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Between you and Quint (and maybe Cumpston), I think I know what I need to know regarding this film. SM 1 was fun and I enjoyed it. But the fact that I barely recall SM 2 helped the realization that I wasn't even remotely interested in this 3rd installment. While I'll be passing on SM3, I do feel bad for the fans.Now...bring on Transformers!
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I died a little inside today. If it had just been awful then I would have felt better. Then I could just see it as a misstep and shrug it off. but I think that they were trying to up the ante of the last film and got way over their heads.
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...but it seems so honest that I'm depressed to see this film now.
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The day I go to see a Spider-Man movie and walk out thinking it was 'thematically uneven' is the day I pack the kids into the minivan and drive off the edge of a mountain. And I don't even have any kids.
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And she was at her worst (which is really saying something) in this installment. It would be tough for any actress to remain sympathetic when MJ freaks out about Peter getting all the attention. But you know what, I bet Rachel McAdams could do it. In Dunst's hands, she takes a character you don't much like anyway and makes you absolutely hate her. The people in my screening were yelling, "Dump her!" at the screen. Somehow, I don't think that's the reaction Raimi was going for. Snaggletooth says she wants out, I say "Don't let the door hit you in the ass".
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I enjoyed it more. My expectations were more in check. Also, in a lame move only capable of a complete nerd, I used to the stopwatch on my phone to time the amount that Peter is in his full Spider-Man garb, both black and red combined. And he gets a generous 15 minutes prior to the final battle. Two hours in, and he's actually doing something in the costume (including the Spider-Man day scene but not either Harry fight) for only 15 minutes. I think that even includes some time where he's on his way to fight but isn't actually on screen. That's poor. And I didn't time the black suit, but the black suit gets MAYBE seven minutes of screen time.I get that it's more about Peter Parker, but you can't have a Spider-Man movie and then not have Spider-Man really show up until the very end.
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well can they?
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I love that it is now acceptable to dislike this trilogy. Used to be if you hated these movies you were a bitter loser. That's all changed with this film. People are starting to see things that have been bothering us for YEARS. I've hated it since the second the main casting was announced back in 2000. Huge Spidey fan, hate the movies.
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(1) Cut the dance sequences - down the street, in the Jazz club (just have Peter dance with GS to make MJ jealous) and MJ/Harry. None advance the plot, none needed. (2) Find some other way of Harry finding out the truth - not through the Butler. (3) Have the 'Sandman is Ben's killer' plotline revealed to be a lie - conspired by Harry to fuck with Peter. Do this, and you have a great movie rather than just a good one. One bit of defence for the movie though - some critics (including some on this site) are complaining that SM3 tries to show Peter's dark side with the dancing down the street like a prick bit, and that this sucks. I agree, but they do SOOOO much more to show the influence of the black suit - he tries to KILL Sandman, throws a GRENADE in his best friend's face, and BITCHSLAPS Mary Jane - more than enough to show that the suit is taking him over. I for one will be watching this again.
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if Buffy met SpiderMan, would she like him??
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They should have just focused on the Sandman and Harry, and maybe introduced the symbiote, but only hinted at where it was taking Peter at the end as a setup for the next movie, which they could devote entirely to Peter dealing with the Suit and Venom.
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what is up with him?
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... disappointment I've had at a highly-anticipated flick. Saw it at a near-empty early-bird show 9:15am. Walked out not knowing quite what to think. The Peter/Harry opening chase was incredibly well-planned and choreographed. But, as has happened before, black of night+dark clothes+quick cuts=WTF is going on? The Sandman's "birth" was one of those increasingly rare "WOW" CGI money shots. Church was well-cast, but not given nearly enough to do. The script is a contrived mess; I don't think there's any way around that. Fortunately, goodwill earned by the first two movies enables you to overlook the crappy script somewhat, and the flick does provide its share of memorable moments. I thought the crane/building/rescue Gwen scene was nicely realized. And while there were still the obligatory here's-the-movie's-message-thank-you-Aunt-May scenes, the sheer clutter of the story keeps any one scene from dragging too long. As a Godzilla fan, I was amused and surprised when the Sandman grew to giant size. But clearly the Harry/Sandman story and the black suit/Venom story should have been two different movies. Venom propositioning Sandman in an alley (did I just write that?)might have been the movie's most ludicrous moment, and it seemed we never got one money shot of Venom's jaw wide open, rows of teeth and huge tongue lashing about as he hands out new assholes to everyone in sight who already has one and probably deserves another. Anyway, just some rambling first impressions from a newcomer. Love this site for the talkbacks, not the scoops; you guys are some sick funny fuckers. Oh, and there were sadly no signs of Hulk Hogan, sexy tomboy beanpoles, Kurt Russell, or flames on anything at the showing I was at. Just FYI.
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It's a comic book movie. Somethings in comics are just that CONTRIVED. Having Harry get amnesia kept Harry around in the comics for another 10 years (the amnesia would be recurring). The Butler's involvement wasn't pulled off as well as it should have been. That could have been handled better.
As for me I'm just happy the guy who is likely directing The Hobbit actually wants to stay as true to the source as possible. That's something the last guy with Tolkien didn't do so well as the movies progressed (and his plans for the Hobbit are horrifying). -
Screenwriters need to focus on 1 major bad guy at a time. I'd rather see a single compelling villain rather than an army of cardboard cutouts that get knocked down. You cannot do so many plot threads justice in a 2-hour action movie.
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...giving us a decent first film, then an excellent sequel, then a sub-par third film. That's okay. Perhaps for the next trilogy, we'll learn that Sandman is also really Peter's father, Mary Jane is really...Pete's (barff!!) sister, and that Spider-Man's powers actually originate with psuedo-mystic microscopic thingies called midiarachnidians...
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when properly armed with scene selections on the DVD. That way, you CAN just masturbatorially skip to all the action scenes, not have to watch the movie. In fact, you could have fun writing a better movie to explain the action scenes.
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that thought Spider-Man 2 was too "talky" will tell everyone SM3 is what they've ben waiting for, all action and no character development.
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to make except studio execs.
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I own a Nintendo Wii. I love the Nintendo Wii. I also love the video games based on the Spiderman movies, (they actually FORCE Tobey to do Spidey wisecracking lines!) But I have a warning to you: Don't buy Spidey 3 on the Wii!!
It's a disaster. Trying to swing and fight with the motion controls is totally broken. I can barely play this thing! But I can tell the core game is cool, and would play well on a different console with traditional controls. It's heartbreaking. -
...I hate to sound like a broken record (sicne everyone around here brings up this movie), but Batman Begins had three villains...and I think it pulled that off rather well. It started and ended with Ra's Al Ghul, with a little Falcone and Scarecrow thrown in for good measure. And there wasn't anything wrong with the pacing in that one.
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So the flaws in this movie are that it's too ambitious and it's plot stays too close to the comics?
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spelling Thomas Haden Church's name correctly on this site? It boggles me.
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crying its everywhere. Bloody american idol.
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as someone who's seen the movie, the flaw isn't neccissarily in the CONCEPT (The ambition and fidelity to source material as you suggest,) but in the EXECUTION of those concepts. And the execution is mediocre, at times dipping into poor.
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I wanted soooooo bad to like this movie. Like most people I agree, this is not a BAD movie. The acting is not horribly bad, the funny scenes did get a laugh out of me, the action scenes were well done, but the SCRIPT, the DAMN SCRIPT was the shoddiest thrown together piece of crap ever. I LOVED SM-2, its one of my favorites ever, and now one of my fav movies is tainted. WHAT THE HELL WENT WRONG? They had the director, they had the actors, they had the predecessing movies. Were some people pissed off when Raimi did Army of Darkness? I loved that pic, but now looking back it almost seems like Raimi turned Spidey 3 into a second Army of Darkness, campy, funny, but a major disappointment. SAM WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!?
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After the first go through there's no desire to take that ride again and look for things you've missed. Now it appears that Spidey 3 doesn't even warrant one viewing since it's an outright failure of a movie.
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I hardly think its valid to say just because this movie followed the comic makes it ok. The majority of comics out there are sub-par contrived crap, and only the occasional script really delivers. But hey, guess what? This is a MOVIE, the rules are different, and up until now they followed those rules. The only way this movie can be salvaged is if they make a 4th one, one that genuinely satisfies. And Im not so sure that this cast and crew is the one to do it anymore.
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I think people are being way too easy on it due to the goodwill raimi bought with the first two films. This film is a mess.....overly complicated...lame plot devices as moriarity mentions...i can;t even articulate my feeelings as I am still in disbelief......raimi used venom purely as a way to say "fuck you" to the people hassling him to put him in....he totally wastes the character. Gwen Stacy has no purpose or good reason to be in the film....it certainly doesn't lack in scenbes where pensioners give advice to youngin's and as for harrys crap alfred - fuck that. Awful film
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They did the best they could with what the studio wanted. Venom was never in the picture to begin with. Studio pressured sam to put him in. Maybe he should have stuck to his guns but.....Give him a break 1 and 2 where great so 3 is flawed. Go see it! its good just not spiderman 2 good. Sam needs to take a break do something else. Recharge then make 4 and hit it out of the park. There is no baggage left. They can do anything they want now.
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7pointedstar, I basically agree, and I liked Batman Begins. However, I think that its very focused origin story is what kept it on the rails. I also appreciate that Nolan had the discipline to use Falcone and Scarecrow to advance key points of the plot as supporting characters. And I really like that not all villains are necessarily dead, and that they might come back to play a role in future movies. I really thought that the last point was something that Spider-Man 1 & 2 got right - setting up a Harry Osbourne arc that stitched the films together and gave some weight to the conflict in the 3rd film (which I have not yet seen).
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self-edit it at home on DVD. Still a good Spidey movie, even with all the dancing and crying (I literally closed my eyes for the whole Jazz Bar scene).
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Still seeing it multiple times. Fuck the record of POTC2!
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completely with TheGreenStyle. Good concepts, piss poor execution. The Black suit spidey stuff was handled VERY poorly. Honestly, I wish that venom/the symbiot had nothing to do with this flick, insteand focusing solely on Harry and Sandman. I really feel like The Peter/Harry storyline and Sandman's storyline were both majorly shortchanged to make room for black-suit-spidey/Venom.
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The Butler
Mary Janes inexplicable rejection of Peter at the beginning.
Gwen Stacy (Soooo cute but so unnecessary)
Eddie Brock
Godzilla Sandman
The Butler
Emo Peter (His first step towards badassness was combing down his hair?! WTF?!
The Butler
The Inexplicable all too convinient introduction of the symbiote
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did anyone else think man did this dude just get up out of his grave. He was so old and probably the worst actor i had ever seen.
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is that when he's fighting spidey, he uses his powers to either get big sandy boxing gloves or become Godzilla. I've read the original Sandman origin issue, (via essential Spiderman,) and it just seems to miss the point of what makes Sandman so Powerful.
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...are part of this series' reality. Amazing coincidences have been in the series since movie one. Pete gets bit by a spider, ironically at the same time his best friend's dad becomes a super-villain? He lets a mugger go, ironically the same one kills his uncle Ben? A scientist goes mad with super-powers, coincidentally at the time when Peter's doubting himself and the need for a Spider-Man? These things just happen in movies like this. Spider-Man has never been a series that takes place in a literal world where the rules of real-life apply. In the first movie, why the fuck is the military glider shaped like a bat? Why is the battle suit frickin' green? How does a genetically-engineered spider biting you give you powers, anyway? What kind of billionaire industrialist experiments on *himself*? Why do his webs come from his wrists? Blahblahblah. In the second one, how is it that Otto Octavius builds a set of super-strong tentacles that have advanced AI and jack directly into his nervous system, yet *that* doesn't make Oscorp billions and get him a Nobel prize regardless of some silly fusion thing? What kind of fricking nuclear reaction can you just stand in front of and watch? In contrast "a meteor with a symbiote happens to land near Spider-Man" doesn't seem that crazy. I mean, who says more symbiotes didn't land in the meteor shower? If they latched onto non-super humans, maybe they were less detectable. Nor does "convict happens to fall into scientific test" seem that far-fetched comparatively. This isn't the real world, it's stylized morality play, suspend your disbelief a little more.
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the butler, the same butler, is in it. and could have known what he knows. But, that said, he's still a piss-poor plot device.
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Please dear GOD nothing can be as bad as that heaping pile of SHIT
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with Raimi producing. I'd be first in line.
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... Spidey=Nipple Batman, Sandman=Meestuh Frrreezhe, Nü-Gobby=Poison Ivey, Aunt May=Alfred, Gwen=It girl model from the mid-90's who was in flick for like, 30 seconds, Symbiote=Jason Woorue minus funky-ass multiple-lensed glasses & Phil Spectre hair, Venom=Bain. IT has return from beyond the veil of shittiness... 'Macher Lives! BEWARE!
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Hulk, Daredevil Elektra, Blades 2 and 3, Howard the Duck, Superman's 3 and 4, Batman's 3 and 4, and Catwoman are all worse than Superman Returns. So really, you should be saying: nothing can be worse than Catwoman or nothing can be worse than Elektra.
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Just when you think you're at the bottom, you look down, and see another CTU Mole.
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That the character that Raimi liked the least (Venom) really could have been the central bad guy?! Sandbox could have been dropped as easily as the resolution to his story was. There was enough chemistry between Topher and Toby to really drive a nasty conflict without the Sandman mucking it up.
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Fantastic Four looked more interesting after this. I think this movie has officially ended Marvel's 10 year movie reign. Its DC's turn now.
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... Jack Bauer wearing gardening gloves and talking on a cell phone whilst simultaneously tormenting some poor li' furry mole that he's actually taken the time to tie to a dollhouse chair with a spool of thread...
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"Lighten up, Francis" ~ Sgt. Hulka
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... Our big toe!"
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/jumps from scaffold
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You better hit those bunks, my little darlins, or Sergeant Hulka with the BIG TOE is gonna see how far he can stick it up your ass.~Sgt. Hulka
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...who really enjoyed the Jazz Club dance scene? I laughed out loud - it was one of the very few times in all three movies that Maguire seemed to be enjoying himself. And I also just ate up the Super-Villain Team-Up scene in the alley with Sandman and Venom. That kind of ludicrous crap happened every month during Stan Lee's tenure at Marvel. It's goofy fun. Yeah, Venom was way underused and should've been saved for SM4, and the Butler's explanation was one of the worst examples of a deus ex machina I've ever seen... well, ever! But the Harry/Peter stuff was great - I loved how their friendship was briefly reborn due to the amnesia (straight out of the comics), making it that much more tragic when Harry reverts back to "Goblin Jr." Not as good as SM 1 or 2, but hardly the steaming pile some of you folks are accusing it of being.
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"This don't make us gay or nuthin."
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I pretty much entirely agree with you.
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"Is this slimming?"
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"SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSMOKIN'!"
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I could not stop laughing. Bravo to Raimi for having the guts to put that in, and screw the rest of you. Get a sense of humor.
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I agree whole hardily!
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who was expecting Howard the Duck, Elektra,Catwoman etc.. to be good? We all were expecting SR to be good and it was shit. Well at least it had one good action sequence that must have cost 200 Million dollars cause the rest of the movie was a dull drag. I'm just hoping that S3 doesn't fall into the same spell.
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...did it make mud? Just askin'.
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"...four people on a rooftop, hugging, crying, and talking out their feelings"? I'm gonna see it just to see it. Fifteen minutes of Spidey screen time out of a two hour and twenty minute moviefor eleven bucks? No thanks. GODZILLA VS. MEGALON would probably be better in IMAX.
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It's a movie about characters in a long running comic book series. I just got through seeing it at the Odyssey 24 in KC and while there were weaknesses in the plot and pacing, it actually reminded me of the sometimes silly conventions contained within the comics more than the first two. Spider-Man is one of the longest running soap opera comics I can remember, and, in my opinion, Sam simply stuck these goofier elements in his movie. They could have been handled better in several places, no doubt, but I enjoyed it all the same. The one thing that really did annoy me was the addition of Gwen; they had her played by a very obviously pregnant Bryce Dallas Howard, who reminded me of the two faced woman in Seinfeld. In one scene, shot from a certain angle and from the shoulders up, I thought "great choice". The next scene they show her standing and her tush is huge and legs big and her face wide with water weight and now I'm thinking "horrid casting mistake". And I think BHD is normally very attractive, but not in this role. And that's aside from not giving her much to do to begin with. They should have shown Peter having a bigger dallience with Betty Brant instead; it would worked as well and been as brief as his cookie relationship with Ursala. And we would have seen more of the delicious Elizabeth Banks as well, bonus! Too bad she is already Betty in the movie(s), she would have made a great Gwen. In any case, I'll see it again, but I'll have to self edit in my mind when certain scenes come on.
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..."gasp...remember that time you got me with the mash potatoes?"
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...and I enjoyed it. Save for the constant phone tag between Peter and M.J. and the space of about 25 minutes in the middle of the film, I thought it was done very well. I know comic fans arent going to like the changes done to Venom, but Thomas Hayden Church was great as Sandman. Pretty good overall and worth the money I paid.
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i really hated to say but i wanted to have that "chris hardwick getting off of the murder ride in house of a 1000 corpses" crazy good reaction after i watched the movie wednesday night (working in a theater, that's the occasional slight perk) but i was merely pleased and somewhat satisfied. i had wanted to love it, but i didn't. that disappointed me. after having loved everything about spider-man 2 (and fell in love with it all over again with the spider-man 2.1 re-edit), this movie just completely feel apart. it's as if the it's the content of two films crammed into this one. i wish that my original specualtions on this movie had been right, that the film would end the birth of venom and using that as a segue into spider-man 4.
i had hoped that i would have liked it more on a second viewing, hopefully seeing something new or more (though the more i think back on it, the more it seems to fall apart). but at least that second viewing was going to be in imax so it was going to be fucking bad ass no matter what. but unfortunately i never got since the 12:01 showing i had tickets to was cancelled and evacuated due to some fuck shit calling in a bamb threat... lame...
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Its funny cause most reviewers agree, the comedy parts in S3 are in fact funny, I laughed out loud at a few parts. The wierd thing is, is I almost felt confused by the funny scenes. They were so out of character from the more serious dramatic scenes, and in comparison to Spidey 1 and 2, that after the chuckles, and especially when we return to serious drama again, it made me confused, then annoyed. Spidey 3 is like watching 3 movies, and it almost seemed like Raimi was being lazy.
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I at least told people they should see X3 for the great sequences in it. With the new Spider-Man, I can't manage to reccomend it. I was in pain during the entire black suit part of the film.
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X3 don't look so bad NOW!
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big ass mouth on a normal human head. I LOVED the "pre-CG" Venom (with a normal mouth) ... but the big-ass grin looked really bad. should have gone with the regular sized mouth and maybe once or twice when he'd "roar" (and the "roar should have been much lower in pitch). http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=venomprecgof4. jpg honestly, how great does that look? creepier than smiling Topher Grace voice Venom.
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spiderman 3 is the greatest spiderman movie of all time. It's like Sam smothered it with butter and then let me have sex with it. and then I shared it with my getting fatter by the min girlfriend. It was the most satisfying experience of my life.
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This movie kicked X3's ass. I admit, it wasn't as good as Spidey 1 or 2, but Jesus, X3 was sub-Daredevil.
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Topher grace was perfect....please PLEASE dont let this be the end of venom.....
Sandman was hired to kill Ben Parker, because Ben Parker was a spy in the 1940s, with peters parents who were killed. Thats why he ran back to the old military facility...thats the only place he could remember to go. -
Spider-Man 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X-3
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This movie is still better than X3. although the arguement could be made they betray their earlier movies just as equally. No, wait, no, x3 was worse, because Singer was building to the phoenix over 3 movies, and x3 screwed it up. Spidey screwed up blacksuit/venom, but it wasn't forshadowed either. hmm... this is an interesting back and forth.
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Spidey was our best hope, and it failed. What's left? Well, I guess their's nolan's take on Batman, but I gotta see how his Part 2 pans out before I start making assumptions for part 3.
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...in these Spidey 3 talkbacks. How odd.
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The story was kind of maudlin, and the script was kind of a mess...the dancing parts, singing were not too bad...hollywood corn.
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Logically, the fewer hands in the cookie jar, the better. A movie is usually good if there is one writer and one director, maybe a writer-director, with one vision that gets perfected in script form and filmed with care.
The Spider-Man movies seem to be an exception. Spider-Man 2 took forever to script, not to mention four writers. It underwent casting and scheduling problems that set its production back to the last minute and even changed its distribution date. And yet, it worked -- brilliantly.
Here, with Spider-Man 3, the filmmakers were given three years to do it, bringing back the best of the same cast and crew. Logically, this should be a better movie -- fewer writers, more time, bigger budget. It's not. Frankly, I think they had too much time and too much freedom, particularly Raimi. Raimi also had the Venom character forced on him, which winds up short-shrifting the character and damaging the whole film.
Raimi likes Spider-Man -- not just the comics, but the character himself -- a lot. That's why he makes these movies. He likes Spider-Man as he would a real person, I think, and this is the problem with the whole black suit / Venom thing. Alvin Sargent seems to have known that to understand or care about Eddie Brock / Venom at all, we had to see what the symbiote did to Peter first. That's all well and good, but it necessitates showing Peter's dark side and taking it seriously. In interviews Raimi admits that it isn't something he wanted to do, so evidently, he chose to do it as tongue-in-cheek and comedically as possible, as if to always wink at the audience and reassure them -- desperately -- that this little character change is only temporary. As a result, it hurts the narrative by watering down the symbiote's effect upon Peter and making the audience ultimately indifferent to what it does to Brock.
One thing an audience should never be towards Venom is indifferent -- it's too good an idea, too good a character with too much potential. Bottom line, though, Raimi didn't want the character to begin with, but I think what happened was that he was given so much freedom everywhere else -- even having his name and that of his brother's in the writing credits -- that Marvel and Avi Arad felt they were justified in forcing him into it.
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God has spoken.
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Personally, I felt this was the most entertaining one. The Midnight audience had a BLAST. Nothing I've read about the negative reactions was true. The place was packed with fans and there was solid applause at the end.
I was never fully satisfied with the previous films, and it has taken me until now to really warm up to Maguire. I thought he was terrific. Having his mask off for many of the action sequences made it more engaging and enable us to experience the movie more with him, as we did with Christopher Reeve in the Superman films. Nicely done.
I don't get why everyone loves the Bruce Campbell cameo. He was "amazing" in the first, but this french waiter bit was like bad SNL. On the other hand, the Jazz and the dance was hilarious. The whole audience dug it. Anyone who didn't think that was hilarious baffles me.
The only thing that bothered me was some dreadful mawkishness in the final moments that briefly made me feel like I was at a bad junior high play. It almost felt like a joke, and this was one moment where I felt everyone might have been laughing at and not with the characters.
I liked that we were mostly spared tedious backstories of the villains. That stuff bored me in the previous films, and I'm glad it wasn't repeated here. The action is terrific and the offbeat humor reminded me of a Raimi I thought I'd never see again. He took some chances and played with the characters, and boy did it pay off.
I'm not sure if everyone will agree that this is best of the series, but I certainly felt that this was a fitting end to the trilogy (and there's no good reason to continue). Great start to a blockbuster season.
On a sidenote, the trailer for Julie Taymor's ACROSS THE UNIVERSE was amazing.
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Gwen Stacy- Charming, oh so charming, but ultimately useless. Sandman- VERY cool birth sequence, but most of the time he just gazed sadly then flew away pointlessly, then in complete contrast to what we had seen about him went all crazy sand monster. Lame. Topher Grace - Oh come on! His acting was forced, and his voice coming out of Venom was laughable.
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OK, the movie was good, not as good as the first two by a long shot. However if Raimi is itching to do a musical or something along those lines please leave Spider-man out of it.
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...so please get over the "trilogy" thing. How'd that whole trilogy thing start anyway, with Lord of the Rings or Star Wars? The Holy Bible only has two Testaments, for Christ's sake. Anyway, accept the idea that good super-hero franchises are a "dynamic duo" kind of thing. "Batman and Batman Returns". "Superman I and II". "X-Men and X2". And now, "Spider-Man 1 and 2". Rejoice, comic book fans. And in the name of Roger Corman's "Fantastic Four", be thankful they even got ONE film right.
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cant ask for much more at the movies.
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Did anyone else crack up when Spidey lands in front of the American Flag before the last battle? One guy in my theater almost choked laughing.
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I think Moriarty drank some kool-aid before he saw the first Spiderman and called it better than the original Superman (whoa - you OK, mon ami? - Hope you recovered). I really wanted to love the first Spiderman, and I liked it for the first half hour, before Willem Defoe did what looked like a bad rehearsal of Gollum's mirror scene in Two Towers. Willem looked more silly than crazy to me. And I like the second film, I thought it was a little better than the first, but only because the villain is cool, but common - it's the EXACT same movie as the first, minus that one's first half hour! And here's what really bothers me: I think Toby is a little too wimpy to play the part, even the Peter Parker half. I can't help but feel like he looks like someone a 6 year-old girl could beat up. Am I the only one who feels that way? Anyway, both films kind of bored me, and I think I'll skip this one and wait for the DVD 2.0, or whatever version they pull out of their assess before Spiderman 4 comes out.
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Did anyone else notice him at Harrys funeral? Why the hell would Flash be at Harrys funeral?
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Thank goodness the critics are having some balls this time and saying that the film isn't very good. In a year or two, everyone will pretty much agree that it sucked but for now, people have to hedge their bets and not come down on it too strong.
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No, I didn't because I haven't freaking seen the movie yet!! In the future, if you comment on a major plotpoint like that, add a "spoiler" warning before or something, you ingrate...
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I'm finding all desire to see this flick slowly slipping sway with every review I read!? is it REALLy THAT bad? Does Venom really get fucked THAT much? Is there any chance they've set him up for a comeback in the next flick? I truly hope so...I know its not a fashionable thing to say but I think venom is a great character, basic in his intentions, but still a good nemesis. I hope what little (so i hear) of Venom there is in this flick is done well and is a set up for bigger and better things...I hope.
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My bad. Very sorry.
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I admit my fault, buuuuuut if you dont want spoilers isnt it a bit iffy checking up on a Talk Back for the review of the movie. Im just sayin....
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FYI...
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If you are afraid of spoilers, then don't read a Talkback before you see the movie retard. P.S. MJ gets pregnant.
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You didn't do anything wrong...don't apologize to someone who is clearly deranged and/or just dumb.
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You didn't do anything wrong...don't apologize to someone who is clearly deranged and/or just dumb.
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Yes, I watched it via Usenet last night and it is that bad. They just took the lazy way to another big payday. But it will catch up with them when they do Spider-Man 4.
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Fincher wanted to do the first Spiderman flick but had no desire to do an origin story. If he came in now it would be perfect..especially if he continued the Venom storyline and made him the mean villain instead of ramming the film to the rafters with bad guys. A David Fincher Spiderman? I'd punch a nun to see that.
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Spiderman 3 is harmed by reckless regard for the character. A villian that the Director doesnt really get. Some cute musicals. Some great action and...OH SHIT this is just like Return of the Jedi.
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I'm assuming this absolute ladies-monthly of a flick is now doing the download rounds then? Might be my only option as I fear paying reall money to see this will only upset me to the point of stabbing someone in the eye with a straightened out paperclip
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Garbageman33, what a great idea. I've never liked Dunst as MJ but couldn't come up with the perfect choice, but McAdams is it. Can do both superficial and emotional, which is MJ, and she's got those dazzling Romita dimples too--imagine her in that "tiger, you just hit the jackpot" panel where MJ was first introduced. Maguire, I think, nails the old Ditko Peter Parker, but even though he's done a fine job I find myself also wanting to see the classic Romita version of that character on screen. Overall, I find myself thinking I should want to see this movie more, but ultimately am not that interested. I saw some of SM2 on TV in the last week and as terrific as Molina and the Doc Ock character design was, I also realized I didn't care so much about the film overall or this new one. I'll rent the DVD to see Bruce's French waiter, though. :)
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Didn't he say he wanted a much smaller film, with fewer villains, but that Avi and the other bloke "convinced" him otherwise?Cunts.
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Okay Rupee, aka GOD...why do the main reviewers on this site post "Spoiler Ahead" OR "Major Spoiler Ahead" when they're about to release some big plot points? Can't a reader like myself visit this site just to get a trusted fellow fan's opinion without finding out how the movie ends? And if the reviewer does give away the ending, at least they've given me, the loyal reader, the courtesy of a warning so I skip past that part? No? Then I'll stop gracing this site with my presence and leave it to know-it-all pole smokers like yourself.
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Should become an industry term...
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with Rupee88's argument cause it makes me look like less of an ass.
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Here ya go geeks!
http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5622
a transformers sequel. You should thank Bay for giving meaning to another year of your life...let the bitching begin. -
I couldn't agree more with this review. The film just disappoints on so many levels, which is a shame considering the series stellar track record so far. The Sandman would have made a great villain had they spent a little more time on his character and resolving his issues instead of sending him off the way they did. Also, the way they conveniently dispose of the Eddie Brock character was beyond pathetic. Venom and Gwen Stacey barely amount to extended cameos when they should have had more of a genuine impact on the story. The film just feels bloated with too many storylines half-assed and poorly strung together despite the lengthy running time. Sad to say but Sam Raimi really dropped the ball on this one.
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The horror...the horror.
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This is just tragic. i just read through Moriarty's reviews of 1 and 2, and this is just a damn shame. I know this is just a movie, but really, 1 and 2 were really such great movies, and I dont think any of us who really dug these movies from now on will ever be able to shake the feeling that there was an unwritten movie that we never got to see. Instead what should have been great, a movie that would have left so many people thoroughly satisfied, will always be a sore spot, an unfinished masterpiece. For those who saw Return of the Jedi, is this what it felt like?
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To me the movie was essentially like the Return of the Jedi of the Spiderman Trilogy. In fact the series has followed a VERY similar pattern to the Star Wars trilogy. The fist movie was a great film and re-energized its genre. The second film VASTLY improved on the first and gave the characters greater depth and put them in situations that truly challenged them, giving them more weight. The third movie just feels like a let down for alot of reasons, which is ironic because in terms of story its the most epic, but in many reasons that is EXACTLY why the film is so much weaker. The filmakers CLEARLY bit off more than they could chew here and the sloppy writing shows all over. However, ultimately like ROTJ, Spiderman 3 is still a pretty damn good movie. Although it leaves you feeling like it could have been so much more given its potential. The reasons are numerous but here are the major ones and ironically virtually all are matched by ROTJ:
1) WAY too much material for one movie: Definitely the biggest complaint! I dont understand why they just didn't pay the cast for a few extra months of shooting and do Spiderman 3 and 4 back to back. The film CLEARLY needed to be done in two halves. 3 villians, several story arcs, and trying to fit in all those action sequences. The villians were poorly developed. The Goblin character worked best primarily because it built off the Harry plotline of the first two films. The Sandman character was just weak as hell with like one scene devoted to him and his family. However, even that didn't come close to the abysmal job they did with the "Venom" character. Which is in quote because it was really only Venom aesthetically and NOT character-wise. The whole "Venom" plotline was like 5 minutes and just felt so tacked-on it was ridiculous. Token is not a word for this. What is so sad is they could've built on the Brock/Parker rivalry with Venom trying to outdo Parker as the "New Darker Superhero" in town. However, here its just so one dimensional its sad. Then they have all the numerous indivudual plot points like Harry and MJ, MR and PEter's strained relationship, Peter and Gwen, Peter going to the "dark side" and of course the continuing battle between Peter and Harry. All of it was so rushed each plot point was given like 5 minutes of time. The action sequences too all feel rushed and unfulfilled. With the exceptions of the final big battle. Which is the most satisfying part or Spiderman 3, just like it was in ROTJ. ROTJ has this same problem with having so much story to tell, but to be fair that was because of the more episodis nature of SW and needing to include so much to finish the trilogy. Here, the filmakers could've easily trimmed story elements for the 4th movie.
2) A storyline that is ultimately rudimentary and predictable: ROTJ suffered from this greatly. In Spiderman 3 you can see the true potential behind each of the storylines it introduces. However, just like ROTJ it resolves them in a predictable and cliche fashion. You can practically see the major events and sequences telegtaphed well before they transpire.
3) Absolutely moronic narrative decisions: First and foremost among these is the absolutely idiotic way in which Peter gets the dark spidey suit. A meteor carrying the suit just HAPPENS to land by him and his girlfriend. Ummmmmmm OK ..... contrived much? Seriously, I dont understand why Mr. Jameson's son AKA "The Big Astronaut" didn't bring it back from a trip to the moon or something. Would've made alot more sense. Then there is the bit with Harry where he is contemplating assisting Peter and suddenly out of the middle of nowhere his friggin butler shows up and tells him the night his father died he "examined the wound" and determined it came from his father's glider. OH REALLY? OH and why EXACTLY didn't you say anything about this BEFORE!?!?!?! Seriously, he just decided to keep that secret for all this time? OH and how the F#$% did he know where the wound came from? What? When he's not a butler he moonlights as a forensic pathologist or something? Sheesh! OH well at least it didn't have a plot point as bad as ROTJ's most egregious AKA Ewoks!
4) Ridiculous overacting scenes that and poorly and conventiently scripted try and take the place of proper story development: Another problem ROTJ had that is possibly even worse here. Big cries all around in an attempt to give the film more "drama" and instead ends up being melodrama. Ironically just like ROTJ the most flagrant example of this poor development is the "abrupt villian to good guy transformation" with little to no actual advancement. It just suddenly transpires. ROTJ with Vader. Here its the Goblin.
and lastly ......
5) Like ROTJ the "pay off" ultimately feels unsatisfying and not truly worthy of all the build-up and momentum that lead up to it: I friggin hate how they have to keep killing off the villians. Especially the Venom character because we REALLY never even got a chance to really see him in the first place SAVE for one lousy action sequence. IT all felt so half-assed. Other reviewers have pointed out they didn't even need to kill him since Spiderman managed to remove the suit from him. Of course I guess they felt compelled to kill him since he killed PEter's friend, but this almost seems to run contrary to the movie's message of forgiveness and restraint. The way the Sandman plotline is resolved is just very bland. He sheads a tear and says "I forgive you". Oh ...... how heartwarming! Seriously, come on is that the best they can do? Oh and the ending itself leaves so much unresolved and ambiguous its almost like they were trying to scream WAIT FOR SPIDERMAN 4. We see Peter dancing with MJ and a fade to black? Weak! Hey, I am not saying I wanted to see them run out of the "Little White Chapel" with people throwing confetti at them but COME ON! That just didn't feel likee the proper ending for the trilogy.
Overall call me disappointed, but not doleful. It wasn't all it should've been DEFINITELY but it was not terrible.
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Don't fret. I suppose it's a fine line here between spoilers and stuff everyone knows already. Most of us have seen the long trailers, know a lot of the plot points already, have read early reviews. But, nowhere does anyone(that I've read) discuss Harry's death. That's not quite as bad as giving away the ending of an M. Night Shyamalan movie, but still something needing a spoiler warning, in my opinion. Just use common sense I guess.
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This was one of the most disappointing movies of my lifetime. Such a wasted opportunity. Now while I totally agree that Venom should not have been in this movie, it's not because I'm a pussy-purist who thinks he's a horrible character and should never be in movies, it's because like it's been said, he's so totally FUCKING WASTED. FUCK YOU SAM RAIMI. I have no respect for you. How dare Venom just randomly come down in a fucking meteorite right by Peter Parker. How dare you kill Eddie Brock in the most outrageous and pathetic way possible. AT LEAST Doctor Octopus' death was ambiguous as to whether he was actually dead. I can't believe this franchise is going to have to be put down and not revisited for another 10 years so it can be Beginsified. Or possibly, some mad scientist could the Sinister Six together and clone Eddie Brock and the Symbiote. Either way, Sam Raimi, you are dead to me until you make another Evil Dead movie.
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spoiler in my above post!
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I mean, I did too, but the general populace just flat out booed. It can't get much worse than that.
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Below!!!
Okay, seriously, I think 20 years of Venom history are getting people a little too worked up about his portrayal in this movie. When Venom started out, he was a dick. That's pretty much all it was, he was just a dick. Spidey inadvertantly fucked his life, and he bonded with the symbiote, went kinda nuts, and sought revenge. It took him YEARS to become even REMOTELY "anti-hero". The way the portrayed him here was pretty much in line with his first few appearances in the comics--only here he was funnier and less scary. Which, I admit, is unfortunate, but, y'know -
No, it was closer to $200 million. Don't believe everything that Sony marketing tells you.
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...that there is an INORDINATE amount of crying, for a superhero movie? i mean, like every 10 minutes somebody's tearing up or freaking crying. it kind of went with the overall meh-ness of the movie.
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It's simple...don't read reviews of movies you haven't seen yet. I have been sticking to this for years and it works. I just look at Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic for the general consensus and base my decisions on that. Then after I see the movie, I read some of the reviews. If you need someone to tell you whether or not to go see a movie, then you are in bad shape. If you have to read a review, read just the first few lines and the last few lines and you will miss most of the "spoiler" stuff. And certainly don't read Talkbacks for god's sake.
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I was at.
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But believe everything that Rupee88 tells you because he (or she, I can't really tell) knows everything including your true identity...
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How about taking some chances and doing something original rather than just paint-by-the-numbers formulaic script. I can't believe that Harry is still trying to get revenge and MJ is still getting kidnapped by the bad guys...can't they do anything new?!?!? I'm really shocked how f'ing lame the writers are. I'm not saying go "Ang Lee Hulk" crazy with it, but at least try to come up with new plot devices and characters, etc. We don't need MJ and Harry featured so strongly in ever movie.
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And Spider-Man 3 is a result of their "efforts".
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Just saw the Fri matinee...and I have to say the review is pretty much dead on, even though it pains me to have to agree.
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...anybody that lkikes superhero movies WOULDN'T like this jem. It seems like every time a comic movie just throws away character development and lets loose (X3 anyone?) people complain. Then, serious time is spent on the character (Spidey 3, Superman Returns) and everyone complains. I can't even believe people had issues with the effects, which in my opinion were stunning.I mean, when will FANS be happy? Most of the theater that I was in cheered during the credits, and not because they were happy it was over.
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Understood. I'll see something like Spider-Man 3 whether someone tells me or not. But I have held off on seeing Ghost Rider based on other's opinions. And for myself, I could care less what Camby or Peter Traverse or someother literatee says(particularly about fanboy films like Spider-Man), I prefer the word of true fans, and AICN is where I go to get that opinion. I'm not a regular talkbacker myself, so I don't have a whole lot of experience with it, but not giving away the ending of a film seems more like common sense to me... But I will use caution in the future here.
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For short-shrifting Venom. Venom is a cool concept with limited potential that was neat his first TWO appearances. After that, he became a parody of himself. Screw Avi if you must screw anyone for putting the screws to Raimi to include him, especially after Raimi has said more than once he has no interest in the character. Fatal avenger, my ass.
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Make Spidey a dull boy. A sad end to a promising franchise. Mr.Raimi please go to the blackboard next to Mr.Schumacher, and write 10.000 "I´m sorry, comic-book fans".
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Some people think the director is in charge of these movies, but with a billion dollar franchise, it is ultimately the suits who call the shots. A bad Spider-Man movie was going to be made regardless of who directed this. So Raimi was smart to just be the one who receives the fat paycheck and he can accept it without too much guilt. Maybe I'm taking him off the hook a bit too much, but I blame Sony more than him.
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Why do they seem to have to make all these villians sympathetic in some regard? Why can't they just be greedy assholes who want to steal some money or wreak havoc for the sheer joy of it?
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AAAAHHHHHH!!!! what happened!? I have to believe that sam Raimi died sometime during development and everyone just keopt going. Awful. Venom was a waste. Sandman was ruined. Way too much of everything. the tone was all over the place. the ending was thrown together and laughable in it's set up. Venom is topher grace talking in a low growl. Awful.
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Norman and Venom both had aspects of that. Norman, obviously, had the duel personalities, but Brock really just became an asshole. OF course, in the comics Venom is almost the prototype for the blatantly evil villain bent on destruction who, for no apparant reason, becomes a hero...
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I really wanted to like it but it sucks. It has a few nice effect sequences.
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If youve watched the Evil Dead Trilogy you will notice similarities. Evil Dead started out fairly serious with 1 and 2 though they were campy, then Raimi went ALL-CAMP with Army of Darkness, which was a fun movie, and my preferred of the three. But Spidey aint Army of Darkness and its pissing me off that Raimi took his slap-stick style from that movie and thought it was ok to inject it into Spidey 3. Spiderman is ours dammit, not yours Raimi.
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Now shut up. All the old-school Spidey fans wanted to keep that silly-ass space symbiote shit out of the movies for a long time, but Noooooo.... You little Venom brats had to beg until Avi made it mandatory. So there's Venom. Enjoy it. I told you he would suck on screen, no matter HOW much money was spent, and I was right. It wasn't the actors, or the director, or the plot. It was the VERY IDEA of Venom. Ooh. "Dark Spider-Man"-- The whole evil twin thing ALWAYS sucks. It sucked in Superman III, too, and it's CLICHE and trite. Venom has always been a weak, badly-written character whose sole claim to fame is being black and having fangs and calling itself "We".
Now that Venom's out of the way, can we PLEASE have Scorpion, Mysterio, Lizard, Kraven, and the rest of the old-school rogues' gallery? Or are you little brats going to beg for Carnage now? -
r. As much as I love that movie (it was the first SW film I saw in the theaters, so it holds a special place in my heart) that part always felt forced even to me. Harry's turn wasn't so bad by comparison. Unlike the SW:OT, we already knew ahead of time that Harry wasn't always such a bad guy, so the potentional for him and Pete to make amends was already there and while the scene with the butler was stupid, it still helped set up Harry's decision to aid Peter. It's certainly better than Vader suddenly deciding, "Hey, maybe I should help my son."
As for Venom/Brock's death going against the forgiveness theme, I disagree. Remember, Peter was trying to *save* Eddie from the suit. Brock got *himself* killed when he went after it. It pains me to write this, but as tacked on as Venom/Brock's death (and the character himself, for that matter) was, having him die as a result of his own stupidity was probably the best way to go. It would have been nice if they had him get knocked out in order to avoid that, though. -
Well said...I'm an old fart Spidey fan and never understood the appeal of Venom...he just seemed like a lame character..very contrived and designed for little kids. But I agree that a good script could have made him more interesting and exciting than what was in this film.
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Quick review- First of all, I have to say, I thought the romance angle was handled as well as it could have been. I actually teared up when MJ breaks up with Peter on the bridge. I think the romance has been unfairly singled out as being a significant problem. Believe me, that isn't the problem. The problem is the script, which lays everything on much too thick. Basically Spider-Man 3 is reduced to soap opera levels, with amnesia and the whole "oh no he didn't" kiss between Harry and MJ. They don't do nearly enough with Venom. The coincidences of the symbiote falling out of the sky right next to Peter and MJ, coupled with the closely-monitored science experiment/sandbox that Marko falls into upon jumping over a fence are pretty hard to believe. But the hardest thing to believe was the Satuday Night Fever sequence, which was jaw-droppingly appalling. I'm all for these films having a sense of humor but what was Sony (and Raimi) thinking. Even a novice studio exec's first note should've been to can that whole sequence. Yikes. The Sandman's daughter subplot is abandoned, the Willem Dafoe cameo is plain creepy, the Stan Lee cameo feels shoehorned in, and the comic relief, for instance, the J. Jonah Jameson camera exchange just as Raimi has started the final major action sequence, is just bad timing. That exchange could've happened as MJ hangs in the taxi, but instead, Raimi starts the big finale and then stops it for a minute to wring a laugh out of J.K. Simmons. I thought the action was pretty well done, especially the rogue crane knocking out Gwen Stacy's building, and the shot of Harry throwing Spidey through the windows of a corner office, very very cool. The UncleBen flashbacks are kinda lame, as is most of the Aunt May stuff. I looooved the birth of the Sandman, that was expertly handled. I still think Dunst is hot. There's something about her mouth that is very alluring. She just feels like the All-American girl. Not a great actress but I don't think she's the weak link most reviews have been making her out to be. The resolution was a little bit of a letdown, with Spidey banging on some metal pipes to defeat Venom. I definitely don't like how unimaginative the series has been with kicking Spidey's ass. How many buildings and steel girders can we see the character knocked into? That's all that ever happens to him. Bryce looked great as Gwen Stacy, but her and Cromwell aren't given enough screentime. Bruce Campbell's scene is pretty great as a maitre'd or however you spell it. Elizabeth Banks' brief screentime is much appreciated. Emo Peter was pretty embarrassing. I'm trying to remember what else, sorry for this stream of consciousness review. There were a few jump scare moments that really got me, so I guess Raimi learned something from his days of producing Grudge movies. The Sandman effects were great but towards the end, they were noticeably not as good. I think Mori's review is great and right on the money. This is definitely the weakest entry in the series, and I think all the principles need to leave. Maguire's too good for this. How much longer can he play this character? If they can do it with Batman, they can recast Spidey. Gordon-Levitt would be good but he's too good of an actor to waste on more sequels. Raimi definitely needs to go back to his roots, maybe cook something up like A Simple Plan. Overall, not nearly as bad as I was expecting, judging from the flood of negative reviews (I'm talkin to you David Poland), but it's still kind of lifeless for an epic end to the trilogy. I didn't feel Spidey's soul. The script is just sloppy and clumsy at times. It's too long and there's way too much padding. My ass was numb after 2 and a half hours, and yet there's still plenty that feels underdeveloped. I was entertained, but I don't think people will be talking about this one all summer. Oh well. There's always The Dark Knight to look forward to.
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......Okay, seriously, Venom's not dead. He's not, he's not, he's not. He's about as dead as Jean Grey at the end of X2. He's as dead as Superman when that bus gets thrown at him in Superman II. He's as dead as Harry Osbourne when the doctor comes out and tells Peter "he's going to be fine." He's dead purely in the sense that his presence in the movie ends. If whoever writes and direct the next Spidey film wants more Venom in it, they will have *exactly no difficulty* putting him in that film. It's fine. Really.
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It'd be great if Robert Rodriguez signed on to direct a 2nd
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This isn't a disappointment in the sense of Batman and Robin, or even say Batman Forever, but it was still disappointing. I can usually let one or two major nitpicks slide...but this movie is filled with them.
One of the dumbest plots in this movie is that Harry flys in and chokes Mary Jane, and basically has him dump peter...even when he is proposing. Ummm...mary Jane...your boyfriend is Spiderman...pretty much Mary Jane thinks Harry would beat up Peter, so she dumps the love of her life...and NEVER...not ONCE...even tells Peter that she dumped him because of that reason. How rediculous is that? Even after peter goes and beats up harry and scars him up...mary jane never thinks to mention this to him.
While people are complaining about Venom being a bad villian in this film...heck, I would have prefered him over the sandman. Now, I know these are "Comic" movies, but part of the wide success of these films is that you have guys with special abilities and powers, but you never have anything in these films that are giant monsters attacking the city. Sandman made this film too cluttered for my tastes. In fact, Peter letting him off of the hook at the end is hysterical. The guy probably killed thousands of people because he needed money. Oh...and the news reporter and stuff during that final battle(while i'm guessing the bad acting was intentional), it completely killed the momentum.
Even more hilarious is, that when Mary Jane is up on the cab during the corny newscast, Peter slowly, and I mean SLOWLY walks to his bed, spends about 25 seconds taking the box with his suit out, under the bed, and then just stairs at his suit for a minute. Then he walks on by to Harry's. (I understand he needed the help..but your girlfriend could die at any second). Not to mention, the Harry glider fight at the end was beyond corny. Harry with Peter riding on the glider and avoiding sandman was so over the top, that it is such a huge departure from the last two films that it was depressing. The scene looked horribly fake and animated as well.
My last minot nitpick was how extra corny the characters were. Now, I can actually accept this, because the scenes are funny. I mean Harry painting while listening to moonlight sonata and such, and Peter walking down the street...these scenes are hysterical. I just think Raimi got out of hand and did too much, that the movie kind of feels too much like a joke.
Lastly...there was some terrible acting. besides the newsreporters...the whole forgiveness scene with flint was horribly done. The single worst acting scene in the film...is towards the end with Harry talking to his Butler about Normans death. my god...this butler has known this all along...he's known Normon was the green goblin...and he just sits tehre. and i love his medical diagnostic that since the wounds looked like they came from his glider, that it defintely meant that he killed himself. Also, what happened to the Goblin machine making people crazy? Do you recall...that when Norman went through the machine...he went nuts. Clearly didn't happen to Harry.
Harry's death...also very weak. He was all scar faced up, looking all techno with his 2 inch thick skateboard that somehow holds unlimited rockets and 3 to 4 inch tall pumpking bombs. We all knew he was dieing when he was all scar faced up. He wasn't even harry anymore...that the scene wasn't even depressing.
venon talking with sanmdan reminded me of the bad batman films, with Ridler and twoface or poison ivy and mr. freeze teaming up together. The guy who only wants money to save his daughter, teams up with a black ailien with a monster mouth to kill a guy(spiderman) who has a perfectly good reason for not really liking mr. flint.
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Umm, are you basing that idea on Sin City or on Spy Kids? 'Cause as much as I love Sin City, I can think of few movies that would be a worse model for a Spider-Man movie than Sin City.
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movie, an in others it doesn't quite work. What I will say is that Spider-Man 3 comes closest to the spider-man movie that I imagined; it's by far the most "comic-booky" in tone....SM3 is a living breathing graphic novel. The fight sequences are masterfully handled, truly the best in the series. As for the multiple plot threads....despite reservations...I think the movie still manages to remain coherent, and I think these different plots are handled and edited well. BUT the biggest problem this movie had is that there really was just too much going on and ultimately you just didnt feel invested in any of these characters with the exception of Harry and Brock. I agree with Mori...the peter/mj relationship was the weakest aspect of this picture...the only real scene with pay-off was the resteraunt scene. Gwen had a great screen presence and I hope we see more of her in the future. The bugle scenes were great too. Not enough of sandman....not enough of venom...not enough of gwen. I disagree with those that wish to see raimi move on from this franchise....I still think he's the perfect director and deserves to be applauded for the sheer ambitousness of this movie. Who we should really be gunning for is Avi Arad...this movie REEKS of studio intervention. In that haunting scene where sandman takes his first steps you really get what sam raimi initially intended this picture to be....heres hoping for the extended version. Overall....I don't think this movie deserves the amount of negativity this site is giving it, and, again I disagree with the calls for raimi to move on. Tobey IS spider-man and I thought he handled the symbiote arc perfectly. Theres more right with this movie than wrong, so my advice would be to see it regardless of its mixed perception. This movie feels more like a spider-man picture than any of the others have thats for sure.
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Jean Renoir, a great filmmaker/humanitarian said, "Everyone has their reasons." Meaning, even the seemingly evilest of the evil think they're doing the right thing, that they're somehow, in their own twisted view of things, are making the world a better place. Hitler thought he was doing the world a favor by exterminating the Jews, the Columbine High gunmen thought they were striking back at their "elitist" athletic tormentors, the Islamic insurgents currently think they are ridding their homeland of the Great Satan. It's the belief of many philosophists that the key to peace and a better world is to understand our enemies, to see how, in many ways, they are not so different from us. Perhaps through this enlightenment, the fighting might end. Perhaps this message of hope was what Mr. Raimi was shooting for? (Granted, I haven't seen the film yet) I firmly believe that enlightened thinking has a place anywhere, even in a summer blockbuster. Of course there are always hardline right wing hawks (like one former Def. Sec. D. Rumsfeld) who are blind to this kind of thinking and would rather simply smash those we view as evil or who are in our way into oblivion. The choice is yours.
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If Sam deliberately made the film this bad so they would not make another one. Making him the only diretor to have done Spider-Man.
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the returning actors (exception being j jonah) seem to be going through the motions. there need to be some major shakeups in casting & script to make the next one work.
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Because in real life, all humans are not inherently bad. Hell, even Adolph Hitler wasn't all bad from start to the finish of his miserable life. I'm not condoning what he did at all but he wasn't bad as a child.-----Spider-Man 3 teaches us that there is bad in all of us, including the hero, just as there is good in all of us including the villains.
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No, sorry. The character is too good for 'ol Tobey. He never got the character right the first time. He got a pass in the first film because he played a teenager and it goes with his dead-eye stare.
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...but being a filmmaker/artist myself, I don't think anyone sets out to make a piece of shit. Ego and pride are far too important to us types. Believe me, Mr. Raimi probably isn't taking the current criticism of Spiderman 3 very well, or probably feels that the detractors "don't get it." If the film is as weak as everyone says it is, chalk it up to Mr. Raimi's own ineptness as a filmmaker (face it, he's no Scorsese) or what happens when you have too many plotlines and not enough character (as opposed to "characters") in one movie.
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...someone send Dunst to the fuckin dentist for chrissakes, i spent most SM1 and 2 starin at those Bladesque fangs..
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they can identify with evil being mundane? It's so very much not the point. People want to see superheroes be heroic and beat up evil people who do evil things.
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But still worth watching. I enjoyed it on the whole but agree with Moriarty in that I don't think I'll be seeing again at the cinema. One thing though, what the fuck was up with that Stan Lee cameo? Forget dancing or amnesia, THAT cameo was the most retarded thing in the movie. Well, that and the British news reporter. I don't know if it's just becuase I'm British but everytime she opened her mouth it made me cringe.
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I agree with Experiment 626--you whining bitchy little fan-boys had to have you extra helping of Venom, now the rest of us have to suffer with this bloated carcass called Spider-Man 3. The only thing that was missing from this pit of quicksand with its evil-Clark rip-off was Richard Pryor yucking it up. Instead we get get Tobey channeling the ghost of Anakin Skywalker with all that dancing shit in the Jaxz Club. Where do I begin? This is a slap in the face to longtime Spider-Man fans and supporters of Raimi and this franchise. And franchise really is the appropo term since this is McDonalds with black good and eyeliner. The first half of this sibling to Supes 3, X3, Bats 3 is spot-on. As soon as he get's the black suit it's like there's a solar eclipse that oscures any kind of coherant, logical narrative. More is not better! LEss would have been much more: more room for character developement (don't blink--you might miss Sandman!) Speaking of the the injustice done to this truly CLASSIC villain, WTF is up with him pummeling Spidey one moment, trying to get dough for his daughter, then fogeting entirely about his motivation and being reduced to this simpering sand pile asking Peter passive-agressively for forgiveness?! Venom, you're hero (you know who you are bitches,) looks like a lame, Spawn, inflatable sex doll will fangs. Remember in the bonus materials on the S2 DVD, John Dykstra wanted to raise the bar (and did) and said he was more interested in creating a few, carefully-crafted moments of CGI goodness instead of a ton of mediocre effects? Remember that Sam?!!! So what happens? Dykstra bails and we got exactly what he cautioned against. I cringed during the entire Marshmallow Man, I mean Sandman sequence, oh heck, the ENTIRE battle at the end. I have no love for Venom, but even I know he'd never wouldn't ask Quicksandman for help defeating Spidey like he was asking him to have some tea (and Sandman doesn't have a grudge or deep hatred of Spidey) What is the sufficient motive for Sandman to help Venom? Is Venom going to help his daughter? NO!!! This has more holes than Sandman after Spidey web-balled him! Let's hope Raimi hands the reins over to another director and they fire Avi Arad for listening to you Venom-69ers. This should have been the highlight of the Summer films, let's hope Pirates 3 and Shrek 3 don't stuff their stories with table scraps the like Raimi and Co stuff this turkey. Thanks Venom bitches and Raimi & Co. I hope all the money was worth trading in your artistic integrity. Over. And. Out!
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Wish we'd of met before you wrote that. :-)
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Spider-Man 2 is a great film. Superman: The Movie is a great film. Both comic book films.
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WHY? Because it was honest with what is was and what it wasn't. The emo Spider-Man and the tongue in cheek attitude of the film are very obviously intentional and stick closely to the tone of the comic books and the cartoons. Venom wasn't as bad as I thought he'd be, but still he seemed very tacked on. I really wish that it would have just been a Harry vs. Pete film with Sandman. I liked Eddie Brock, but I don't think he needed to become Venom until the last second of the film. They needed more focus with the villains, because the only interesting one in this one was Harry. It was a greatly character-centric film and I loved that about it. It wasn't illogical and best of all, it was pure fun.
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Why's that? Sorry for all the spelling errors btw. Difficult to spell when I'm coughing up bile.
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Right, let's drive that point into our young children who see movies like this so that when they meet others (say...classmates) that are different from them or who they think are wrong they can play heroic and commence to beat them up. I remember being annoyed back in high school at how those who dressed Goth or Vampish where seen as evil or bad or simply f***ed up by those more "normal."
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7/10 huh? Are you high? How about 5/10 since 50% rocked and the other 1/2 is like a rancid Whopper that's still giving me the runs. The elements that were good would have been great is there was room for those scenes to breathe, which is what Raimi was so successful at with the first 2 films. This is what happens when you take a great script (Sandman and Vulture--Ben Kingsley!!!) and trade a classic, kickass villain for a lump of black tar with fangs and then try to quickly stitch a bunch of half-baked scenes together from multiple scripts. This movie is a Frankenstein monster that's coming apart at the seams!
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I just got done watching SM3 honestly I did think it was pretty entertaining. Not great like 2 but overall I didn't feel too rip-offed which is good enough for me. Dark peter was interesting I thought since it was a change of pace. From tobey making his me very sad faces all the time. Which we still get plenty of throughtout this movie also.
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and yet is the last one to post a review? waiting on those box office numbers to roll in, are we?
Good review tho Mori, even tho i disagree with some of it. LOVED the birth of Sandman but as the film went on i kept asking myself "why is he in this movie at all?" Church did do a good job tho with what he was given, as did Grace which i was suprised to like as much as i did. one thing i hated was emp-peter...not how he acted because the smarmy asshole he becomes is pretty much perfect, just didnt like him actually looking in the mirror and combing his hair down....lame. everytime he came on screen i just kept telling myself to look at him like hes a coke-head and not an MCR fan. Venom looked AMAZING and as much as i wanted more, the fact that i got to see a badass looking Venom onscreen makes me happy...plus there is the sample in Dr. Connors lab so the possibility of a return or at least of Carnage is there. and i am not ashamed to say i laughed my ass off at the SN Fever scene. i thought it was hysterical. loved Bruce Campbell as usual and his cameo was hillarious (loved his whistle, haha) Harry who i loathed in SM1 & 2 was actually a good guy in this one. MJ pissed me off being a cunt as usual and i fucking cheered when Peter was flirting with Betty Brant. Gwen was cute and vibrant as she should have been and i think all things considered they did her justice. i was happy they kept her a good hearted person in the nightclub scene. i cant help but think MJ would have done the opposite and been as spiteful as Peter. all in all i loved it. yes it was a heavy film and was a bit all over the place but Raimi has given us 2 great films already and im glad he decided to go all out and let his hair down on this one. i think we've been spoiled with "inside" info for too long and we expected so much it was impossible not to be let down a bit. -
Spideman 3: THE ROTJ of the Spiderman trilogy!
by Rogue_Leader May 4th, 2007
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To me the movie was essentially like the Return of the Jedi of the Spiderman Trilogy. In fact the series has followed a VERY similar pattern to the Star Wars trilogy. The fist movie was a great film and re-energized its genre. The second film VASTLY improved on the first and gave the characters greater depth and put them in situations that truly challenged them, giving them more weight. The third movie just feels like a let down for alot of reasons, which is ironic because in terms of story its the most epic, but in many reasons that is EXACTLY why the film is so much weaker. The filmakers CLEARLY bit off more than they could chew here and the sloppy writing shows all over. However, ultimately like ROTJ, Spiderman 3 is still a pretty damn good movie. Although it leaves you feeling like it could have been so much more given its potential. The reasons are numerous but here are the major ones and ironically virtually all are matched by ROTJ: 1) WAY too much material for one movie: Definitely the biggest complaint! I dont understand why they just didn't pay the cast for a few extra months of shooting and do Spiderman 3 and 4 back to back. The film CLEARLY needed to be done in two halves. 3 villians, several story arcs, and trying to fit in all those action sequences. The villians were poorly developed. The Goblin character worked best primarily because it built off the Harry plotline of the first two films. The Sandman character was just weak as hell with like one scene devoted to him and his family. However, even that didn't come close to the abysmal job they did with the "Venom" character. Which is in quote because it was really only Venom aesthetically and NOT character-wise. The whole "Venom" plotline was like 5 minutes and just felt so tacked-on it was ridiculous. Token is not a word for this. What is so sad is they could've built on the Brock/Parker rivalry with Venom trying to outdo Parker as the "New Darker Superhero" in town. However, here its just so one dimensional its sad. Then they have all the numerous indivudual plot points like Harry and MJ, MR and PEter's strained relationship, Peter and Gwen, Peter going to the "dark side" and of course the continuing battle between Peter and Harry. All of it was so rushed each plot point was given like 5 minutes of time. The action sequences too all feel rushed and unfulfilled. With the exceptions of the final big battle. Which is the most satisfying part or Spiderman 3, just like it was in ROTJ. ROTJ has this same problem with having so much story to tell, but to be fair that was because of the more episodis nature of SW and needing to include so much to finish the trilogy. Here, the filmakers could've easily trimmed story elements for the 4th movie. 2) A storyline that is ultimately rudimentary and predictable: ROTJ suffered from this greatly. In Spiderman 3 you can see the true potential behind each of the storylines it introduces. However, just like ROTJ it resolves them in a predictable and cliche fashion. You can practically see the major events and sequences telegtaphed well before they transpire. 3) Absolutely moronic narrative decisions: First and foremost among these is the absolutely idiotic way in which Peter gets the dark spidey suit. A meteor carrying the suit just HAPPENS to land by him and his girlfriend. Ummmmmmm OK ..... contrived much? Seriously, I dont understand why Mr. Jameson's son AKA "The Big Astronaut" didn't bring it back from a trip to the moon or something. Would've made alot more sense. Then there is the bit with Harry where he is contemplating assisting Peter and suddenly out of the middle of nowhere his friggin butler shows up and tells him the night his father died he "examined the wound" and determined it came from his father's glider. OH REALLY? OH and why EXACTLY didn't you say anything about this BEFORE!?!?!?! Seriously, he just decided to keep that secret for all this time? OH and how the F#$% did he know where the wound came from? What? When he's not a butler he moonlights as a forensic pathologist or something? Sheesh! OH well at least it didn't have a plot point as bad as ROTJ's most egregious AKA Ewoks! 4) Ridiculous overacting scenes that and poorly and conventiently scripted try and take the place of proper story development: Another problem ROTJ had that is possibly even worse here. Big cries all around in an attempt to give the film more "drama" and instead ends up being melodrama. Ironically just like ROTJ the most flagrant example of this poor development is the "abrupt villian to good guy transformation" with little to no actual advancement. It just suddenly transpires. ROTJ with Vader. Here its the Goblin. and lastly ...... 5) Like ROTJ the "pay off" ultimately feels unsatisfying and not truly worthy of all the build-up and momentum that lead up to it: I friggin hate how they have to keep killing off the villians. Especially the Venom character because we REALLY never even got a chance to really see him in the first place SAVE for one lousy action sequence. IT all felt so half-assed. Other reviewers have pointed out they didn't even need to kill him since Spiderman managed to remove the suit from him. Of course I guess they felt compelled to kill him since he killed PEter's friend, but this almost seems to run contrary to the movie's message of forgiveness and restraint. The way the Sandman plotline is resolved is just very bland. He sheads a tear and says "I forgive you". Oh ...... how heartwarming! Seriously, come on is that the best they can do? Oh and the ending itself leaves so much unresolved and ambiguous its almost like they were trying to scream WAIT FOR SPIDERMAN 4. We see Peter dancing with MJ and a fade to black? Weak! Hey, I am not saying I wanted to see them run out of the "Little White Chapel" with people throwing confetti at them but COME ON! That just didn't feel likee the proper ending for the trilogy. Overall call me disappointed, but not doleful. It wasn't all it should've been DEFINITELY but it was not terrible. -
would have worked much better. imagine a big action sequence where spidey has to save new york from a giant shuttle, the civilians, the kids, the people in the shuttle, no villians, other than spiderman saving the god damn day (and you could have the spidey day celebration to honor him for resucing the pilots and NY) theyve already introduced JJ's son from sm2, WHY DIDNT THEY DO THIS instead of having a comet land RIGHT NEXT to parker at the EXACT moment and location? Whoever allowed this giant error to happen should have his head cut off. Now I know sm1 and 2 had its great share of coincidences but this one just takes the cake.
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Could you imagine if Sandman was the only villain? I'd fucking shoot myself.
The movie was filled with cheese and cliches, and characters like venom were not given enough time, but it had a few things going for it.
I loved the action/effects sequences. I absolutely fucking loved the birth of sandman (though his creation was yet another coincidence that's ridiculous). Him coming out of the sand for the first time is fantastic. I was ok with the dancing, but the jazz club dancing scene did not work for me at all... it like stopped the movie in its tracks. The street dancing was funny, that could have stayed but that jazz sequence... what the fuck?
Loved the supporting characters- Topher played a pitch-perfect sleezy bastard. Gwen was so freakin cute. J.Jonah, good as always and my god I love elizabeth banks as his secretary.
Venom's voice should have been deeper... I mean really. And he should have referred to himself as "we" like the comics. (I'm not a comic purist but that seemed like a really unnecessary change that actually takes a bit away from the character). That butler, who i actually found really funny, should NOT have been the deus ex that he was. THAT was ridiculous.
Also hated the play by play the fucking reporters were giving at the end. That british woman actually said "Oh the humanity". SHE ACTUALLY SAID THAT.
And rewriting the Uncle Ben story? Not cool. It totally changes the first film and not in a good way. Peter NEEDS to be responsible for what happened to uncle ben. That's part of the character. Now it's like, eh, just forget about that peter, no need to feel guilty anymore.
All in all it was an enjoyable but aomewhat disappointing film with some downright puzzling creative decisions by people who should know better.
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May 04, 2007 7:54:34 PM CDT
want to know why they didnt do the astronaut story?
by the_shogun_gunslinger
TIME! to get the whole thing right would take a good 30 minutes of screentime right there. yes the meteor (not a comet, theres a difference) landing right next to him was convenient, but its a movie guys..a COMIC BOOK movie. stranger shit has happened.
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Yeah, Tub O' Fun, where's your review? What are you waiting for? Can't you tear yourself away from that Dancing With The Stars re-run long enough to grace us with your take on this travesty? Maybe Moriarty should have the honor of being animated on the homepage. Slacker!
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space mission... With the astronaut already introduced in part 2, that was a no brainer. What happened??
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returns just did something very similar, still, they could have had the astronaut bring it back, didn't have to be a huge action sequence.
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agree with you totally.... when we first found out this movie was going to have a lot to do with the black suit, i knew there was going to be troubles ahead. Alien symbiote from other space does not blend in well with the first 2 movies, which were based on a sci-fi semi-realistic universe where you go "yeah it COULD be possible for a guy to have spider powers" or "yes a person can fly on a glider" or "a person's mind can indeed control robotic arms connected to his spine". I think somewhere down the line raimi got really fed up, didnt want to argue with the execs anymore, and just use whatever garbage script they wanted him to follow, and there you go gentlemen, thats the trash that you get. SM3 does not feel like a proper sequel to the well-done first 2 movies.
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If they were going to do Venom, they set it up really well in SM2. John Jameson, nice guy, also a big guy like comic-style Brock, has his fiance stolen--on the day of the fricking wedding--by Spider-Man. Also, he's an astronaut. Also, you could give Jonah a real role in the movie for the first time--he's certainly earned it. Could've been really fantastic. Still, I really liked the rivalry between Toby and Topher in this one, so I'm not too upset by that missed opportunity.
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Just one. Story! Give us a story! This movie is CRAP. Oh, and maybe if Kirstin didn't forget how to act, that might have helped. Maybe if there was ANY exposition. Stop assuming everyone going to these has read every issue ever printed. I even stopped caring about the action scenes. MAYBE if they didn't assume that we would be invested enough in the story/characters after the first two that they could just throw shit and the screen we'd eat it with a spoon, I might not have stopped caring. But they DID, and I don't care. Has anybody heard the screen hope it stuck, I might have cost estimates on this film, including the advertising. It's near a half billion dollars. And it's crap. For the cost reason alone it trumps X3's suckage by leaps and bounds. Blech!
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I did not like this movie very much, it feels very unbalanced and unfocused compared to the first 2 movies. The whole sand man story needed to be thrown in the garbage, i dont see a purpose for this character. Why mess with what was established in 1 and 2? to bring some kind of closure?.. please thats lame. These are comic book movies should continue forever..theyre derive from comic books!! What i think this movie needed was more focus on The venom story/origin and maybe told in a more horrorsci fi way to make everything more menacing.the black suit/redsuit stuff was good and so was the little venom we got to see here, but the 45 min(or more maybe) long mj, peter parker, sandman stuff--I really wanted to like it but it was weak.
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the astronaut/shuttle story could have worked. leave out gwen stacey and the crane sequence, do the shuttle landing story instead. you begin sm3 exactly where sm2 ended, spidey is going to where the shuttle is predicted to crash and he does some crazy ass amazing cgi sequence to save new york and the astronauts. Bam right away one of the many specimens of rocks collected from the moon turns out to be the symbiote and attaches itself unknowingly to spidey. It would have been perfect, plus we wouldnt get a gwen stacey character which wasnt very well fleshed out anyhow. But of course the studios needed a complete color palette in every movie so they HAD to insert a blonde woman somewhere.
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It actually reminded me of Batman Forever a whole lot. Spidey 3 was fun and entertaining in places, but at times it was very tedious to sit through and I found myself checking my watch. The main faults? Venom didn't belong in the movie; I say don't bring him back. Venom doesn't work on the big screen like he does on the page.
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yeah, i agree with that aspect. i was dumbstruck when i heared tophers voice coming out of him. please give us a directors cut DVD and fix that shit. still think people are bitching way too much about the film. why dont you poeple put half of the effort you guys put into complaining about franchises you love being ruined and put it into writing a screenplay and submit it? thats how people get writing jobs you know.
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It was absolutely Raimi's fault for fucking up the movie. He wrote the movie, he directed the movie. He wrote a shitty Venom, he shot a shitty Venom. A good Venom story could've been phenomenal, but it didn't happen. JEsus.
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he needed a dual voice, one as eddie and also the symbiote speaking in a lions voice like in the TAS at the same time.
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yessssssss! ( stil wouldnt have saved the movie though
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"The movie was wonderful"?!!! Did we see the same piece of garbage? Do you think you could slob Raimi's knob any more than you've already have? Oops,I think you missed a drop--back on your knees Jackie Boy. More is not the same thing as better. These characters were cardboard cut-outs. The only reason we care the slightest about their fates is b/c of the solid, character dev. that was done in the first 2 movies. The lame butler scene, 2 seconds with Flint's family, another 2 seconds with Gwen, Peter in drag doing a dance number and playing the piano (who knew he was such an accomplished pianist?!) Those are well developed characters? Sure, some of the action kicked ass (in the first half,) but the finale, what was supposed to be the cherry on top of a magnificent trilogy, was mediocre at best. I suppose you would have been creaming your jeans if they had shoe-horned in Carnage and Mysterio eh? Yeah, bravo Raimi this is your target audience apparently: The cram-it-til-it's-busin'-at-the-seams bottom feeders. Is Joel Spewmacher your personal guru? Stick to flipping burgers Jack.
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Record-breaking Opening Weekend followed by crappy legs.
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That post right there really just crammed you into the smallest pigeonhole of asshole, elitist talkback pricks. The guy liked the movie. I don't care how much you hated it, there were a lot of things to like about the movie. If you wanna list all the reasons you think he's wrong, please do (even if they're reasons as petty and idiotic as "Wtf, since when can superhero nerds whose aunts teach piano play the piano?!?"), but the ridiculous personal attacks make your opinion seem like the ravings of a jilted fanboy rather than the considered opinions of a fan of the medium. Christ, man, chill out.
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Not everything in spiderman 3 needs to be thrown in the garbage. I also think the harry osborne stuff was good or passable but definately MORE Venom WHYYY!!!!?? did they do this?, its like 10 minutes of venom, this is sad.Oh well, it is what it is, no use in crying over spilled milk. The little of venom that is there is good, yes with exception of the voice, the ending of how spidey handled venom was cool. Venom must return in 4!!!!Please you friggin suits know nothing!!!
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guess what youll find...BITCHING!!! suprise suprise.
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I'm losing sleep already b/c I'm and elitist talkback prick. Sue me if I'm passionate about my superheroes. It's OK to like global warming too but I'm not going to stand by and watch my planet melt. I'm sure Jack's a big boy. He can defend himself is he feels the need. Maybe he'll invite you over to watch Batman and Robin for coming to his defense. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Although I'm not sorry I saw SM3--- it was an okay time at the movies--- I really have no urge to see it again. I'm sure a good number of people will feel the same way. Not that this movie won't be a success. It likely will be a huge success after this weekend, overseas BO, and DVD sales. But it definitely doesn't hold up to multiple viewings and won't make as much cash as it could have if the movie were better. I can't see myself buying this DVD when it's released. Geez, I hope POTC3 and Bourne Supremacy are good, otherwise sayonara Summer movie season.
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maybe not. wow this thing is really baaaddd. fess up. it sux.
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Dammit gunslinger, why didnt you tell raimi this Before he started shooting this turd??
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I'm sure that's true, but they were NOT the steaming piles of crap that S3 is.
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Fuck this movie. If you liked this movie, fucking shoot yourself in the head and make the world a better safer place. I have witnessed some shit before but WTF was that? I left the theatre in shock. That script literally bordered between nonsense and jibberish. It was like a stream of conscienceness retelling by a 13 year old girl with alheizmer's and the gout. I can't believe people are liking this. IT IS SO FUCKING BAD, I NOW THINK LESS OF THE PREVIOUS MOVIES!! I don't think I have ever seen a weaker script put to film...possibly ever. There were moments (First Sandman fight scene) where I could let it go. But then they would say or do something so awful people in my theatre actually gasped in horror...thanks Jazz club. This is what happens when studio FUCKS meddle in create affairs (Sam Raimi tried desperately to not include Venom). Seriously people stop lying to yourself and admit it, that was shit.
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You make the mistake of assuming I'm defending him. I'm not. I'm attacking you. You can be as passionate as you wnat, it is, in fact, possible to be passionate without being an incredible dickhead at the same time. Give it a try, you might be good at it one day.
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huh? tell him what? to change the voice? sorry i deem to have lost Raimis number :P haha
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Sorry, I dozed off for a second. You were saying?
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If you didn't get the message, so be it, being incapable of civil conversation isn't a crime.
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oh come the fuck on...now you're being fucking rediculous. what was soooo fucking bad about it? flawed? sure...what comic film isnt? hell sm1 and 2 are flawed to a degree. so are xmen 1 and 2. so is batman begins. im sorry but there will never EVER be a comic book film that makes everyone 100% happy. to call this an atrocity is such whiney fan-boy bullshit it borders on the edge of laughable.
Jaka, like i said, a "steaming pile if shit" isnt what i think of when i see this movie. face it, we all expected too much or its been too long since most of you have seen the first 2 films. -
You asked just pillow talk and me over on the Cumpston thread to come back and post our reactions after seeing the movie. I don't know where pillow talk is, but after seeing it this afternoon I posted my review over there...I'm not about to post it twice... if you want to read it it's over there.
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You do realize of course that I've exposed you for the very same thing you accused me of being. It IS possible to be passionate without resorting to peronal attacks and being a "dickhead." I chose not to in my response to Jack. How are you any different when you resort to "attacking" me with an infantile insult. You've just been had at your own game. Consider yourself exposed: Hypocrite.
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don't like it. All of this petty complaining. Maybe on the DVD if they throw in some more explosions you'll like it more.
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your plot idea for venom
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sorry, i was stuck reading all the bitching about this movie
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nah... spiderman 3 really wasnt as good as one or two, quit lying to yourself
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I criticized your actions. I said you were acting like a dickhead, which you admitted you were. That isn't name-calling, that's description of your behavior. You, on the other hand, made ad hominem attacks based on someone's opinion. (ad hominem, on the off chance you don't know, means that you attacked the person rather than the person's argument). Now, if you wanted to, say, call me out for being a condescending prat and elcturing you about your behavior, that would be reasonable. If, on the other hand, you simply said I was a cock-sucking cow fetus, that would be an ad hominem attack and would be, as I said, acting like a total dickhead. If you can't see the difference, we may have trouble having a conversation here.
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The whole fucking movie could been solved with a few simple sentences. This is a symptom of horrible writing. "Harry, your father had lost his mind and starting killing people, I tried to stop him and instead he tried to kill me and killed himself in the process...I am so sorry." Yeah it was an atrocity. There were so many cheesy moments I think I am now lactose intolerent. The cast, crew and director did not take it serious, in fact, you can tell they started to hate it. Despise it even.
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eventhough superman returns was a little lagging at times, i enjoyed it alot more than spiderman 3
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The whole movie couldn't have been stopped with those sentences. Clearly, Peter tried to say that. He said similar during one fight, and also referenced off-screen conversations on the same topic. Harry clearly didn't believe him--or didn't want to believe him. Given Harry was hallucinating about his dead father, it's entirely possible his father's death unhinged him to a degree. Or it may simply have been that he was so desperate for his father's approval that he craved the chance to avenge him, and couldn't accept that he'd never get it. Those possibilities are all fairly well-supported by all three films.
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Who's being an elitist, asshole talkback prick now? Attempting to condescend to me by posing as a wannabe, Harvard English professor is lame (ad hominem--groan...)Whether one is attacking who someone is or what one says is splitting hairs. The guy had an insane perception/dellusion regarding the film and I pointed it out in a tongue-in-cheek, mean-spirited manner. Go hump a Thesaurus.
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And to be fair, I haven't seen it yet, but plan on getting into the afternoon showing at the edwards on weslayan here in houston if you aicn austinite staffers are in the area you can take a swing at the big instigator DV.So yea Mori good work. I don't often pay attention to who writes the reviews on the site and haven't since day one when running across AICN by accident, but I do give you alot of credit on this one. you've clearly thought alot about the film, and it's not quantity thought per se but quality thought which translates into a fair and balanced review to borrow a phrase sure to make aicn staffers angry.so in the end I appreciate your efforts, and most especially the time you've given over and above that which you owe to your wife and the rest of your family when writing the review and seeing the movie. well done.oh and thanks for NOT using any profanity or x-rated metaphors, similes or alliteration in your review. who knew aicn could have a good review without such things? is Mori on to something here?!?
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Forgive me for being a twat. You make a valid point. The first half of the movie was near perfection. The last half was, well, let's just say I'd rather drink sweat collected from zb.brox's butt crack than suffer through that fiasco again. Let the homophobic jokes commence...
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Peter delivers that line in the hopsital or the apartment and they talk it out. It would have made for a more belieavable story ark than Peter actually attmepting to kill his best friend, methinks. The movies main villain was Mis-Communication. She got more screentime than anyone else.
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...until the end. Though accusing me of condescending to you is kind of cheating as I'd already suggested that one. I'd also question why anyone would pose as a wannabe Harvard English professor instead of an actual Harvard English professor, but I suppose your argument would be that I'm just so lame that even my aspirations are of other, better aspirations. Though, as you don't seem to like thesauri, you might not have used those words. As for whether you're attacking the message or the person being "splitting hairs", I have to totally disagree. If I lay out an argument as to why this movie was good, and you respond with "no, you're a shithead", then only one of us has actually made a valid point as to the quality of the movie, see? Better conversation all around if you stick to the point, rather than attack each other. Unless, I suppose, the attacks are particularly funny, but I'm afraid, in my opinion, yours weren't. If you disagree, I suppose we have a valid difference of opinion, and it can't be helped.
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I admit, I was half expecting Peter to tell Harry his side of the story after Harry's amnesia. And it probably would have been better if he had. But that doesn't make it a problem--the fact is, he has his best friend back, and he's not willing to risk that. I understand that, and it's sad, and I empathize, so I don't consider it a flaw in the film.
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The damn Song/Dance sequences alone fuck it up.
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Really liked Spiderman 1 and 2, didn't love them but liked both a lot. This was just really realy unbelievably bad. At one point in the theatre, a guy i didn't know who was three seats down turned to me and goes "what the hell is this?"...that summed it up. the director is to blame for the major tone shifts throughout but wow, the script is just awful. A meteor lands next to Pete, sand man falls into a molecular destablizer? It's a good thing Benard the butler was there...things were so overdramatic and out of left field that after the butler's big speech i half expected him to die right there in harry's arms. Tobey can not do evil. It's out of his grasp. maybe i'm wrong. maybe he just couldn't pull it off in this flick. It was wierd when the movie turned into THE MASK and jim carrey did the dance number in the bar to impress cameron Diaz/Kirsten Dunst. the dialogue...UGH. if sandman said i have to get money for my daughter one more fucking time. HARRY: They're my best friends...I'd die for them...ooohhhh....did you catch that subtle forshadowing. How about the newscaster bringing us up to speed on what's happening during the final fight. Who made this piece of shit! I think Sam Raimi was infected by a Tim Story simbiote. it's the only way i can explain this garbage. UGH!
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Now it's, "With great power comes really bad disco dancing."
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ewww.
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Well said.
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uh...did you pay attention at all? peter DID tell harry his dad was crazy and trying to kill "SHUT UP!" and then ripped a brick wall apart. sounds like the kind of guy who appreciates a good heart to heart. sounds like the reason you hated the film is because you chose not to pay attention. ADD must suck. face facts, you dont like it because all you do when you see a franchise film like this you fucking nitpick it to death looking for flaws. grow up man. there are more important things in life than big summer movies.
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Blah, blah...Is this a contest to prove who has the superior intellect (or more expansive vocabulary?) How droll. If you re-read my talkback to Jack, you'll see that I was quite succinct about characterizing not just my opinion of him as a theatrical patron, but his take on the festering fecal matter that was half of Spider-Man 3. I for one was amused by my attack on Jack and really, isn't that what truly matters?
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Film is subjective, we are all affected by a film in different ways so everyones opinion is valid but whoa, how can you not see why poeple might be a little upset with this flick. Seriously. This isn't a nitpicky thing. this is a stare at the credits in disbelief kind of thing.
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...the movie didn't work on an emotional level for a lot of people. The story was crammed in, which meant the highs and lows switched up jarringly, the humor and the darkness seemed to be in tight contrast, and storylines switched so often you couldn't keep emotioanlly centered on any one. But when people are left emotionally unfulfilled, they tend to try and intellectuallize it and rationalize specific things to be "wrong", and that manifests as nit-picking over really stupid things that anyone enjoying the movie mentally glosses over and fills in the blanks for. Not the only problem people have, obviously, but I think it's there.
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I understand what you are saying. This whole hatred based on a miscommunication or false assumption thing got old. That whole plot point was the only thing that brought any drama or story to the film. The res tof the film just kind of happened around it. It could have been solved in one GREAT scene not 2 1/2 HORRIBLE hours.
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with all these bad or so-so reviews I went in with low expectations and enjoyed myself.
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This review was posted this afternoon on the Neill Cumpston's Mum's review thread by request...but nobody's come to that thread to read it...so cut and paste: If anybody read my earlier post, I mentioned (not by name) a certain third-rate film critic whose negative review had given me hope for this movie. The theory being that this guy was so inept that if he didn't like it it had to be good. Well, his review was inept, (for example, he complained about "Harry's English Butler" being introduced just to provide exposition...I wonder if he saw the film at all or just compiled his review from *ahem* Internet fan forums. That butler was about as English as Kevin Federline's skinny white trash ass.) but it was more of a case of him disliking the film for the wrong reasons. The final line of his review was that the film had been reduced to being just a comic-book movie. If only that were true. I don't hate Spider-Man 3 but this is a terribly, terribly flawed movie. What really troubles me is that I can't help but wonder if this was deliberate. This movie seems to have been directed by more than one person...I don't just mean a second or third unit...it feels like two or three very different films rough hewn together. (yes I know, things are hewn apart not together...that's actually a Mike Myers reference that feels more accurate in this case) At times it is brilliant very much like the first two Spideys - then it morphs into something else entirely - a dreadful parody of itself. I suppose one could deconstruct this as a cinematic device underlining the personality conflicts within the characters, or it could actually be shitty, sloppy filmmaking, or a desperate attempt to get out of contractual obligation? You got me. But the "walks like a black person sequence" reads like a very bad parody of the Axe body spray campaign. You half expect one of the women Peter sexually harrasses om the street to stop, turn, and go "BOOM-CHIK-A-POW-POW". And the already infamous Jazz-Dance sequence... comparing it to The Mask is simply too kind. This entire sequence has no fucking place in this movie period. It's like putting a Monty Python sketch in the middle of Greek tragedy and not expecting anyone to notice. These two scenes are Superman IV Quest for Peace bad, are Supergirl bad. People complain about Topher Grace and Venom. But what got to me were Peter and Mary Jane. I thought Harry was the one with amnesia, but Tobey and Kristen act like they've never seen nor read the script for Spider-man 1 & 2. Mary Jane says to Peter "who are you" I found myself asking both of them that from start to finish. I'm afraid Mrs. C. is dead on the money when it comes to the crying and moping - and really stupid out of character behavior on the part of these two. And horrid plot holes, for example much is made of the fact that Mary Jane can't sing well enough for Broadway - But Peter's too much in love with her to realise she's not that good. Fine enough, but don't say her problem is she can't project past the front row. What year is this, 1935? I've been to a lot of Broadway musicals (big surprise there) and there hasn't been an actress who could project past the first few rows since Ethel Merman!!! (well, maybe Liza) That's why for nearly two decades now every singer on Broadway is miked! Also if I were madly in love with an actress on Broadway, (it could happen) so in love that I was getting ready to slip an engagement ring into her champagne in a fit of romantic twitterpation, you'd better believe that I would read the New York Times Arts Section every day just to read her name in the ad's - especially the weekend pages that would have ad's with her picture in. I would drive, or in this case websling past the theatre at least once a night to see her name up in lights...thats what lovers do. They don't not notice it when a leading lady gets replaced. Furthermore Mary Jane could not be a leading lady on Broadway without legions of gay friends, fans, and wannabes hanging around her and Peter. These guys gossip like no one else - boyfriend would have been told! Speaking of Family... My dear Mrs. C., that photographer did not set off my gaydar at all. But I'll excuse you as he was British, and we know that all brits seem gay to Texans. Even to sweet little old Texan ladies like yourself. Now the director and producer of Mary Jane's show, *they* were clearly gay. (musical showpeople gay? never.) But in another weird out of character moment, the one who seemed the most gay in the film was "emo" Peter. What? being evil, dark, and sinister - means turning metrosexual and acting snippy? If Peter's dark side came forth (couldn't say came out in this context. nope not gonna do it.) wouldn't it make more sense for it to be MORE "butch" like roid-rage biker aggro? But that's a small quibble...the whole Peter and Mary Jane's love life plot was just awful...long, boring sequences of characters being much stupider than they should be, missing the obvious, and behaving like they were in a third-rate telenovella. What did I like? There was a lot more action than Mother Cumpston led us to believe...and the best sequences were not the Peter and Harry fights (I say Peter and Harry, because not once does Spider-Man fight Harry...only "good Peter" and then "dark Peter")but the Sandman sequences. The armoured car scene was as good as any action in the first two films. The crane rescue was good, the Subway fight, the climactic battles, all well done. There were little bits I liked. When Peter tells Aunt May Spider-man killed the Sandman last night - there's this split-second "Oh God what have you done" look on her face that tells us what Peter has never gotten, that she clearly knows his secret. So does Robbie. Peter pouring sand out of his boot and mask after his first fight with Sandy. And Topher Grace as Eddie Brock/Venom. Yes, underused, but not utterly thrown aside and grotesquely misinterpreted as Bane was in Batman and Robin. I really liked the character defining moment where he looks up into the eyes of the crucified Saviour and says "Dear Lord, please kill Peter Parker." I would have liked to have seen more Venom, more Sandman, less Harry and Mary Jane. Gwen and Capt. Stacy are barely in the film, and I must say it will be truly surreal for long time Spidey fans to see them alive at Harry's funeral. Harry's death is no surprise at all...when early in the film he says about Peter and Mary Jane "I would die for them" You know before the film ends he will - it's just that obvious. I don't get the Gwen is fat complaints, she looked ok to me. Better than she did in either of her M. Night Sanjayalan films (Yes, yes that was indeed a very cheap shot...I just couldn't help myself) Now to what troubles me most... Sam Raimi is an accomplished director. You may not like his style, fine that's a question of taste - but he's a proven commodity, and he's shot two very successful Spidey films already. So what the fuck happened? "He didn't like the Venom character" you say...from here it looks like he no longer likes the Peter Parker character! He's not so naive as to not realise that lines like "I'm afraid I'll get bad reviews", "...tends to make it look bloated", and "No! Spider-Man! No!" spoken by a little boy who covers his eyes in disgust as Spidey kisses Gwen, are loaded guns he's handing to his critics. He might as well have had a character look into the camera and say "What a Bomb!" or "Dear Lord this stinks!" This has all the earmarks of, well, deliberate sabotage. I don't know if Raimi is sick and tired of Spider-Man, or feels constrained after having directed nothing but for more than seven years now. I can understand it if he wants to move on...and maybe...he feels that he has to give Sony a reason to let him do so. Again, this could be absolutely wrong - and the film may do great box office anyways - But all it has to do is NOT do as well as the first two...and Sam can get out of Spider-Man 4,5,6,7,8,9 infinity and make some other kinds of movies...I may not like this, but I can understand it. Finally my dear sweet old mother probably wouldn't have liked this any better than I did.
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Anyone provide a theory yet on how a being of finite matter and density can grow to the size of a skyscraper? Did anyone else have a problem with Peter letting Sandman walk (did he not MURDER another human being in cold blood?) I'm all for fogiveness but what kind of message is Spidey sending the kids by letting a murderer go free?
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Did Marvel miss the boat by not showing an Iron Man trailer before Spidey or what? If there's a superhero movie that could use some word-of-mouth to the non-geek crowd it's that one
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Actually I was stoked to see this film. My friends and I got together hours before the film started and discussed how much we loved the previous ones. I wanted nothing more than to love this movie. I even read reviews and lowered my expectations after reading a couple reviews. I was hoping to see a decent film with some great moments. But thanks for the growed up lesson, I also come to you for advice anyway so...
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Funny stuff man. I for one missed the Alex Ross painting montage that preceded S2
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I fully understand. Can't blame you since I do the same damn thing.
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My girlfriend's employee screening at 9pm Thursday had Pirates. Also, I'm not 3 6 Mafia. I'm LCSW PC. What meds you take? Mao inhibiters? Abilify, Paxil, Zoloft, or are you a 'zac head? Did you know there's a generic now for Zoloft? Means more $$ in your pocket. You can just me your friendly neighborhood, well you know.
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dude, its 7:41pm here so quit acting like a smartass. guess you're life is so full of excitement that you have nothing better to do but *GASP* post in a TB on friday night. some of us have kids to take care of and cant leave the house to get fucked up whenever we want. better luck next time. and yes, there WAS a POTC trailer...intersting.
yes i can see why people are being hard on the film, but it certainly isnt an "atrocity" as someone put it. Raimi finally had some fun with the character and i was glad to see that. look, if i didnt have an emotional investment in movies and comics i wouldnt post on this site as much as i do. i just want to know what you people who are saying this is a huge failure were expecting. -
if you have a problem with peter intentionally trying to kill harry then you arent as familiar with the character as you think. the symbiote always made peter more aggressive and he nearly killed people regularly while under its influences.
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Dont use your kids as excuse for not having a life. Bad form. :)
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After it's first week of release. Once word gets out that the movie was such a big disappointment the flick will do what the hulk did and have a monster drop in its second weekend. I found the movie mediocre, but a lot of people at my midnight screening were booing and many were very upset as they walked out. If only Raimi had just taken out Venom and had the movie be about Sandman and New Goblin.
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May 04, 2007 9:56:35 PM CDT
either the drive thru line at Buger King is really long
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or Harry just isnt posting a review at all. Mori, i suggest a mutiny. take this bitch over
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I think we were expecting more from Raimi & Co. b/c they raised the bar for what movie of this genre could be. By merely throwing money at a script that is the equivalent of a house of cards he sank to the level of the Shumachers (sp?) of cinema. I wanted a coherent story with one villain and tasty dramatic moments that make the audience invested in the fate of the movie's characters. I also wanted CGI of a consistant qulaity, not spotty and half-baked at times. It's like the studio said, "good enough" when they saw this rough-treatment of a script and opened the vault that Doc Ock breaks into in the second movie and said, "help yourself Sam." Lazy. Weak. Sloppy. That's how I'll remember this "film."
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haha youre such a fuck-head :P
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I know, but Sandman's accidental shooting of Uncle Ben is as sloppy as having him involved as a contrived, plot device to begin with. He bumps into him? C'mon. The real travesty is the whole mess with the butler. He's been holding onto this great insight for years and he could have saved Harry and everyone else a lot of heartache and grief. Lame.
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Look at all of you saying that the movie would have been better if Venom referred to himself as "We" and had a monster voice! You're basically admitting that the STORY of Venom is lame, weak, one-dimensional shit, and that Venom MUST have all the things that have to with IMAGE, not story, in order to be cool to you. You wanted a slobbery monster with a monster voice and a personality disorder, and you got the same character without the vocal effect and a better grasp of personal pronouns, and THAT is what broke it for you?
Could it be that Venom has NOTHING ELSE TO OFFER except his "We", his imagined monster voice, and his "evil version of Spider-Man" appearance?
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is the Gold Standard by which all superhero movies should be made (are you listening FF2?) What is it with the third of a series almost always sucking?
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Intentional to sound sophomoric…sigh. Grammar Police…the sign of a lost argument. I don’t remember Spiderman actually maliciously attempting to kill friends and family. I do remember him being more aggressive to a point where he starts to lose control…. A wee bit -o- difference there, ya think?
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Best and most articulate argument yet for why Venom did not work! Venom as a comic character is simply one-dimensional (Thanks Todd McFarlane--he did create him right?)
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Arguing over this one tidbit seems relatively pointless when there were so many things wrong with this movie. I will just use one word to dscribe some of them as I am lazy: Emo |
Jazz Club |
Sandpit |
Omelette |
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is lame, ive always thought that after sm2, there was no way raimi would screw up the 3rd one. i and many others knew he would not invole venom, or the symbiote, into any of his movies, but you know what? the execs won, avi won, and thats why we have this garbage that premiered today. i guess we'll never know how great the REAL sm3 would have been if raimi was left to do the story to his own satisfaction. venom is very 1 dimensional for the most part, even though he was mildy interesting in the TAS but that was only because they had a lot of screentime.
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That The Vulture is a more intersting character then Venom?
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So, what happened? Not enough interference? Too much? Not wanting another Ang Lee "bust" on their hands? Forsaking quality for quantity? What happened to their magic formula?
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15 minutes of SM1 after he was bit he actually enjoys being Spiderman.
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It didn't flow anywhere near as smoothly as the 2nd one. There were a lot of wasted opportunites and a bit too much camp. The funny parts were funny, but they were overkill. The romatic bits were ok I suppose, but is it me or does Kearstin Dunst's Mary Jane become less and less likeable as these movies press on?
Something that is TOTAL opinion is that part of the reason this one felt weird to ME, is that between the 2nd and 3rd movies, Batman came out and REALLY had an impact on how I look at super hero movies. It's tough to top and this one felt silly next to something like Batman. -
All we could talk about is how much were looking forward to the next HULK film. This Spiderman film was corney. but The comic was too.
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he has what, Evil Dead 3 and Darkman. the spiderman movies have always sucked. i've seen the first two once each all the way through. they are bloated and emo -- two things i can't forgive. the prospect of a 3rd one being good never exised. suck it, fanboys.
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After Spiderman 2 people wher saying the pete was too emo now he's too silly.
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I gotta say, there was some stupid excuses for pushing along the story, not enough time for the depth the characters deserved in an ideal movie. I think this movie should be 30 to 60 minutes longer. But having watched it a second time, I love it. I give it a B+/A- compared to the other two, but how do you really top the emotional peaks of Uncle Ben dieing and Mary Jane discovering Peter is Spiderman and that's why he's rejecting her. You can't. But I watched this again without the expectations and I really loved it. The action was awesome. The humor was original and funny as hell. The shit that Peter does is disturbing to normal people(the midnight show didn't give a shit, but the audience of regular people today were gasping when he hit Mary Jane). I think the themes are more mature than the last two movies and that the villians are given third place attention and that is why the climax doesn't seem so intense as the last two. Mostly because the last two villians were intelectually matched to Peter and this time they are a couple dumbasses. But that's those characters. I got into a fight with my wife today over the most retarded thing. We both said shit we wish we hadn't said. And we made up. And as we watched Aunt May tell Peter that he's a good person even though he hurt Mary Jane... my wife and I actually squeezed each other legs. Yeah, it's a little Soap Opera-ish, but you know what, most non-comic geeks relate to that, because that's life for you, a stupid Soap Opera of fucking up and making up and hopefully learning to fuck up less. For that, despite it's technical flaws that would earn this a C+, I give it a B+/A-. Just really wish it had 30 to 60 minutes to flesh out the rest and it would be the best of the series.
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I made some comments earlier based only on reviews. Maybe they lowered my expectations, I dunno. But I have to withdraw those now having just seen SM3.
Mo is the best reviewer here and he nails the flaws with SM3, but I can't agree with the overall conclusion. Yes, too many shortcuts were made to move the plot along. There were too many characters. Too many issues. Then again, these were some of the same quibbles with maybe the best of this genre, X2. My advice, DEAL WITH IT. I'd rather have a filmmaker misstep trying to give us more instead of trying to shortchange us, cough , FF, cough. But that is what this is, a slight misstep. It doesn't 'fall apart' at all. I kept waiting for it to start sucking, and funny thing... it never did. These are the kind of objections you don't think about until you're trying to unwind after seeing it and fall asleep. During the flick you're too swept along with the action and drama to care. This is not a jarring departure from 1 & 2. If anything, there's maybe too much continuity and repetition. But this movie has a lot going for it, including McGuire's best performance. The thing I liked most was every character at some point acted like a total jackass. It made them more normal. And whoever wrote this totally understands women. When MJ gets fired and her dreams of stardom get squashed like a bug, of course its all about her and Pete doesn't matter. His advice is just frustrating because he ignores her feelings. This is SOOOO on target. And I guarantee there wasn't a woman in that audience that did not understand and sympathise. That most female passerbys cringed at Saturday Night Peter, also showed an enlightened feminine perspective.... Revenge wasn't the theme as much as forgiveness. Forgiveness for being human, for giving in for a moment to our most selfish desires. And the finale with Sandy was very affecting. Grace was teriffic, as was Howard. Even Dunst had her moments. Actually was a little disappointed with The Bruce scripting. His first minute or two as an insufferably effete French head waiter was classic, but then it went nowhere. The first fight with Harry was a little too fast to see what was happening. Seems sometimes a flaw with a lot of CGI, too much dizzying motion. The full house I saw it with applauded appreciatively at the end. All that said, this franchise does need a rest. This wasn't the one that fell on it's face, but the next might likely be. It needs a departure, a new direction. Give this Spidey world a rest and bring it back new and refreshed. Unfortunately, if this makes half the money they expect, no way is Sony gonna do the right thing. The best thing to happen would be for Dunst, McGuire, and Raimi to move on and force a change. Trust me, I can hold my own with the most cynical nitpicking asswipes out there, but this, if not Shakespeare, has high entertainment value, character, and heart. If it stumbles, its along the lines that the bar was just raised too high to exceed. And after seeing that height cleared twice, its just not as big a deal as it was. Hence the needed rest. Despite some flaws with construction, it sweeps you away and kicks ass. For those of you on the fence about whether to make the huge sacrifice of $6 -8 for a matinee, (and you know who you are), go cut some lawns, wash Mom's car, or hit her for an advance on next week's allowance, but you should see this. If nothing else, to agree with the quibblers. There's way too much crap made in Hollywood, but this isn't another example. -
They're boring. Either love it or hate it. Those are your only choices.
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If I was trying to impress you with my vocabulary, I'd damn well start with something more impressive than "ad hominem" and "aspiration". No, I'm pointing out that when you coat your opinion in bile, it makes others less likely to touch it. Yes, you had real criticism somewhere in your spew, but why make others wade through it to respond? Unless, of course, you don't *want* them to take the time to respond to your thoughts, unless the point is to annoy or berate them into acceptance of your viewpoint without challenging it. If that's your goal, good job. But, since I've pointed this out you seem to have, consciously or not, modified your behavior to a large degree, so good for you.So, let's take a look at the problems you mention for the film...1: 2 seconds with Sandman's family. So? Why would we need more than that? Their purpose is to establish context for him, they have no particular weight of plot resting on them. It's not Sandman's movie. 2: 2 seconds with Gwen. Again, so? In the context of the movie, she serves her function. You only expect more because you know her story in the comics. But now they've effectively introduced her into the universe, and can use her more readily as the franchise moves on--as it inevitably will. 3: Peter in drag? Well, he did go all emo. But why is that such a problem? A slightly lame geeky kid like Peter trying to be badass would probably come off that way. 4: I have no problem believing Pete knows how to play the piano. He didn't play sports, and his aunt gives piano lessons. And he's freaking Spider-Man. Annnnd, that's all you really mentioned. Anything else that ruined the movie for you?
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I don't know what everyone wanted from a movie called Spider-Man 3.
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is the bad guy, they don't STAND OUT AT ALL, just to make sure we're PC and that we don't offend any subculture group? Riiiight. Kids are mean, if your kids are playing kicking other kids asses, that just means you have mean kids.
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300 was a better superhero film than SM3. I wish more director names quickly came to mind, but that's how dry the talent pool is in this genre these days.
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I pulled a 12:05er full of nerds they went completely Apeshit for the Harry Potter Trailer and FF2 trailer but I wonder if they thought it was Transformers at first. They all wanted MJ to die after she kissed Harry Chants of slut wispered through the crowd. evryone cracked up at "Saturday night Peter"THe only time they really cheered was when Venom Finally appeared. I messed the exit cause I to take a major Piss break.
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But I was surprised at how many of the effects looked worse than Spider-Man 2, particularly during the first Goblin fight, which though it got raves from Moriarty above, I personally thought it looked cheap, greenscreened and unconvincing as hell. And worse, distractingly so. The film also had way, way too many moments that just did not work, or that were needlessly, and poorly, drawn out. Oh, and how do you know that Parker has gone dark? He gets an emo haircut and a penchant for dancing...which resulted in a real "Fuck...Off..." level of cringeworthy embarrassment.Also Mary Jane continues to be pretty much a complete and utter bitch much of the time in the way that she acts and choices she makes, making her a heavier and heavier burden to bear in each subsequent film. While it almost felt as though we got more shots of Parker crying than of Spidey fighting, or just plain doing his Spidey think, the latter of which was very lacking indeed. On top of that he still can't keep his mask on or untorn for more than ten seconds at a time it seems, and it always tears away in the same damn places. He might want to have that looked at when he gets a chance. And are we ever going to get a film that doesn't end with the villian(s) kidnapping Mary Jane and holding her hostage? I mean for that to happen at the end of every single fucking film? Get a new ending next time, please. And man, don't even get me started on the "wise old butler" who had barely been seen as anything beyond background furnature before this film and who was utterly unconvincing in his plot device "the things I've seen" role. I mean did anyone buy that scene? Then again maybe it wasn't Bill Paxton's daddy's fault as the lines he had to spew were far from being even remotely convincing anyway, though his delivery of them didn't help sell them any.Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed the film overall, there was fun to be had, and all in all it was worth my time and money, but I think it's a very uneven and unfocussed film, and despite all that's going on it felt very slight and surface level to me. Not enough depth on the things and characters that needed more time and depth, too much time dragging out lengthy gags and ideas that didn't work too well, or were one note gags to begin with. I don't think the film is too long, I just don't think the focus is where it needs to be, and in fact, most of the time the focus seems to be in the exact opposite direction of where it should be at that particular given point. Thankfully I wasn't expecting the second coming like so many fans seemed to be, so I still managed to have a mostly good time despite the films many flaws and general lack of focus, but all those folks who were expecting the best spidey/comic book movie ever, and who really bought into the hype these past many months, I can understand how disappointed some of those folks might have been. Then again, though I've enjoyed each Spidey film so far to various degrees I've yet to be blown away by any of them, and this is probably the weakest and definitely the most unfocussed of the three, so, yeah, take that as you will.Personally, despite having had a pretty good time with the Spidey saga so far, I hope we get a new director for part 4, as Raimi seems to be pretty burnt out on the saga at this point, and I think new blood behind the camera would be the best thing for not just this series in general, but also for Raimi as a film maker himself. After all no one says he can't come back sometime down the line when his batteries are recharged and he doesn't seem so jaded by ol' webhead's exploits. Just make sure you get somebody good to replace him with in the meanwhile.
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Other than subbing in the giant mongoloid gingerbread man from Shrek 2 in for Sandman in the climax, I think what was on screen was great. It was the missing hour of character development that made it flawed. They just tried to do to much with too little time. The black suit was a good choice in this film, but they should have left the symbiote loose as a lead-in for venom later. Overall, it was fun to watch, which is what I hoped for. I think it's time for some new blood behind the camera though. Sam has done well, but I would love to watch Alfonso Cuaron chase Spidey between buildings with some of the free-roaming camera shots he's so great with. The CGI design in the third Potter film was great, too.
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...that I saw several people get up and walk out. And this was on an airplane mid-flight! Bud dum dum!
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is probably one of the best things I've ever seen in any movie. It was perfect. The rest of the movie, not so much. I' not a huge fan of this series but I just went to see this one and it's obvious that they tried to cram way too much in. Three villains, two love interests, three songs, three extraneous sequences that serve no purpose, and a partridge in a pear tree. Classic hollywood blunder. They think they need to up the ante for each film to fill the seats and to the suits that means more villians, more action, more sfx, more more more. What happened to telling a good story? That's what fills the seats. Sandman and Venom were woefully underdeveloped in this film and it was painful.
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http://www.chud.com/ index.php?type=reviews&id=10114
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dude i when i called you a fuckhead it was meant to be taken as a casual "bat on the back" kinda thing. there is no winner in this argument. thats why i stopped. anyways, what you thought of the film is ur opinion. oh well. anyways, no hard feelings.
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9/10 because there were two folks that were stoned out of their MIND in front of us. For instance, the part where MJ is breaking up with Peter, one of them yelled "it's because you're sterile!" Sure, it doesn't SOUND funny, but when the entire theater laughs at that... it says something.
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This is exactly the problem with Pan's Labyrinth. If you'd get your collective heads out of Del Toro's ass you'd see the same issues. Nothing in that movie is natural it is all crappy plot mechanics!
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...kept singing the Porn Groove at any instance where it is amusing.
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I thank you, because now i know what I sounded like sticking up X3, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, Matrix Reloaded, Terminator 3, and Once Upon a Time In Mexico. You've all given me an amazing insight into how stupid I sounded, because Spider-man 3 is officially a freakin train wreck.
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Couldn't have said it any better.
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I'm a big fan of movies, as anyone who knows me will attest to. I have a vast collection of movies that vary widely from comedies to musicals to musical comedies. The one thing common among all of these movies is that I can enjoy them; some in a very cynical fashion as I laugh my way through a terrible movie that is meant to be taken as a terrible movie, or genuine enjoyment of a well plotted thriller. I'm easy to please. It doesn't take much. Blow something up real good. Have a purty girl with half of her clothes on. Maybe blow up a half-naked girl real good. What does this have to do with Spiderman 3?
Well, none of that happens. None of the stuff that makes for a good movie happens. In fact, when my wife, halfway through the movie says "Will they hurry up and blow something up?" that's a sign that your movie, which has been expected to deliver TNT, is not living up to those expectations. In fact, the words "Soap Opera" were mentioned explicitly.
OH Spiderman, how you have fallen. I'm reminded of Airplane. The old comedy with Leslie Nielsen and a whole bunch of other people. They made a sequel to this movie, aptly named "Airplane 2". It is absolutely the worst movie I've ever made the mistake of purchasing. Why is that, you ask? The same jokes are repeated from the first movie, and then dragged through the street behind a cab, pissed on, shat on, and then skinned and worn to prom where it is promptly torn asunder by some pimply faced jackenape who hopes to knock up his cousin before his mom gets back from his uncles bedroom.
STRUT STRUT Spiderman, STRUT. Wait, that's from Spiderman 2! But wait, this time he's strutting for a different reason. That makes it funny, laugh!
I know what we haven't seen in a Spiderman yet, a dance number! Let's add that! And so they do, to uncomfortable laughter from the viewing audience.
Mary Jane has to sing, poorly...twice. Because once wasn't enough. Honestly, I don't know who she's deepthroating, but he should try stuffing her a bit deeper so she can hit notes that my cat can't do when she's in heat.
Let's add random Butler Dude, who shows up and explains plot points to characters through out the movie. Like an omnipotent Watcher, he appears like a puff of smoke to lend credence to the fact that somewhere, out there, the screenplay writer was snorting crack off some transsexuals ass crack while jotting this crappy plot down on the back of an AIDS pamphlet.
*sigh*
Is it too much to ask that a movie at least have the common decency to be decent? This movie was so bad, it actually brings down the previous 2 movies with it. And that, that makes me sad. And it makes me want to burn things. Like theaters. Filled with kids screaming and yelling and making lots of noise while Peter Parker cries for the 6th time in the movie.
Yes, Peter Parker, this one is for you. Mr Sand Vagina Man himself.
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Yes there were paccing issues with the story, but all you comic geeks have to hand it to them, Venom looked dam good. Way better than I ever thought they would do. The special effects were amazing and the movie is good, just not great I agree. Spider-man 2 was the best comic to film movie I have ever seen with Batman Begins a close second.
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Venom is dead. Good riddance to a lame character. Recast the whole lot of them, and continue from there.
Laura Prepon should be Mary Jane, and I'd buy Elijah Wood as Peter Parker.
Next villain should be Electro, with a little lame-villain help from The Shocker and The Trapster. The film should start out with these two losers robbing a bank. They're kicking cop ass until Spider-Man shows up. They give him a decent little fight, double-teaming him with glue and vibes, until finally Pete figures out they're using high-tech tools to make their powers work, and breaks those tools so that Paste Pot Pete and Herman are their normal drab, unpowered selves. They're arrested, and Parker takes part of the high-tech Shocker gear to his friend Doc Conners (who seems to be standing in for Reed Richards in the Spider-Man Movie universe). He asks Conners to look it up, find out where something like this could come from, and goes on his way.
Next scene: Maxwell Dillon is seen in his lowly job in an electric company. He's studying to be an electrical engineer, but he keeps hearing his mother's voice telling him he's not smart enough. "I'll show you!" he says to the phantom Mommy in his head, and continues to study for his exams while on the job, in the truck, at a site.
Meanwhile, Parker goes through his usual song-and-dance with Mary Jane, and they plan a wedding (finally). As Pete and MJ are busy picking out wedding rings, there's a crash and Peter sees The Shocker back on the streets, new vibe-suit and all, robbing the jewelry store. With a nod from MJ, Peter ducks out the back and returns in the front to face the Shocker, but this time when his wisecracks about how weak Shocker is rattle the guy, Shocker lets loose with a vibe blast that knocks Spidey on his ass; This guy has gotten an upgrade! The fight progressed into the streets, with Shocker knocking over buildings and power lines. Finally, Spidey clocks him a good one, and Shocker is once again caught. "Keep him locked up this time" says Spidey to the cops.
Now Peter's worried. How did Shocker get out of going to prison, and where did he get that new, more powerful outfit? He decides to start looking into it. With some leads from Doc Conners about the origin of the Shocker suit, Pete finds himself at a small technology company... One that's been out of business for five years.
Meanwhile, Trapster is in jail. We see the guard approach, and he says "Petruski! You've got a visitor." -- "A visitor? But who would visit me?" -- We see the outline/silhouette of a man approach the cell, and a voice says "I've got an offer for you. . ."
Back to Max Dillon, who has just been told that his studies are going to be cut short because Spider-Man and the Shocker's damage has called all Con-Ed guys into overtime, repairing downed wires and the like. He grumbles about it, but hesitantly gets on the job. As the scene fades we see his textbooks in the background...
Next scene is Dillon asleep in class at NYU.
Next scene is Dillon taking his exam.
Next scene is Dillon looking at the "F" on his final, and getting a defeated, downtrodden look on his face... Resigned to be a pole-climber... His mother's voice echos in his head "You're not smart enough Max! You were never smart enough!" - "No!" he says out loud, and stalks away from the classroom, leaving a confused professor behind him.
Back to Parker at the Daily Bugle, asking Betty or Robbie to let him dig up some details on this little technology company. He digs, and finds it was a subsidiary of some larger company, and just as he's about to find the name of the owner company, JJ Jameson storms in and asks "What the HELL is Parker doing? He's not a reporter! Get out there and give me pictures! I don't pay you to play with office equipment! Move!" -- Peter does as instructed, lest he lose his staff job. Besides, he's got to worry about...
The Wedding. Pete stands at the altar, MJ approaches, and the world looks wonderful. Suddenly, his Spider Sense tingles. "Oh no. No no no! Not now!" he says, but yes- NOW. A large sppplllaattt of glue-string hits MJ, and she finds herself being pulled away by-- THE TRAPSTER?!?! He flings her onto a truck, and then yells out "TELL SPIDER-MAN WE'LL LEAVE A MESSAGE WHERE TO FIND HER!" and then he laughs and zips away on a glue-string in one direction, while the truck heads off another direction. Peter goes to change, but all eyes are on him... He CAN'T be Spider-Man now, and even so-- His suit's not on under his tuxedo! He hesitates just a moment, and it's long enough for both to get away.
After the chaos, Pete's on the trail. Swinging around the city, looking for clues, and finally there's a message on the big screen in Times Square: "Spider-Man: She's at ground zero!"
Spidey rushes to Ground Zero... Where the towers once stood, and there, on a pillar of glue and metal, is Mary Jane in her wedding dress, held some 150 feet in the air.
Before he can get to her, though, he's hit by a huge glob of glue. It holds him, he fights out if it, and a small battle ensues.
Meanwhile, Max Dillon is a block away, up on a pole, fixing a power line. He looks up when he hears thunder.
Back to the fight, Spidey's kicking Trapster's ass, and then he's hit from behind by-- you guessed it!-- The Shocker! Again! "How do you keep not going to jail?!?!" Spidey asks. "We've got a mutual friend." says Shocker. Peter's had enough of this. He cuts loose, and really beats the two guys pretty well, until Shocker desperately fires a blast at MJ. Spidey acts fast, and uses a girder/beam/something to knock some of the glue pillar out, making MJ fall a few feet, but also making the shockwave shoot over her, missing her completely...
...And it hits Max Dillon, on a pole. The modified shockwave makes Dillon jam his screwdriver/tool/whatever into the electrical panel, and JUST AT THAT MOMENT the skies rumble and a bolt of lightning shoots down, striking Dillon as he's already being rocked by the shockwave and electrocuted by the city's electrical supply. He screams, and is blasted off the pole, onto a nearby rooftop, where he lay, smoking and sparking, at the feet of another man who appears to have been watching the battle. "What have we here?" says the man as Dillon crackles with electricity. "A sign from God?"
Back at the fight, it's all over. Pete beats the baddies, rescues MJ, and she tells him "I'm getting REALLY sick of this!" He apologizes, jokes with her, and they rush back to their wedding...
On the rooftop, as we see Parker and Watson board a cab to go back to the wedding in the distance, Maxwell Dillon is sitting up. His hands are covered in electrical charge. Electricity arcs from his fingertips. His eyes spark and glow. He's a changed man. The person standing in front of him- still in shadow to the audience- says "Well, aren't you an interesting development?" -- "What the hell happened to me?" says Dillon. "Who did this?" -- "Why, Spider-Man, of course." says the stranger. Dillon remembers that Spider-Man caused him to have to work overtime, which caused him to fail his test. His mother's voice echos in his head "You're a loser, Max. You'll always be a loser!" and Max says "Spider-Man. . . It was Spider-Man's fault." --- "Gooood." says the shadowy stranger. "I think you and I should talk."
Pete and MJ are married. Joy, tears, la la la. All that good mushy stuff is in this part of the movie. I'll spare you details.
Next we see The Shocker and Trapster. They're out of prison again, with some bruises and black eyes and swollen lips. "Why did he want us to meet him here?" says Trapster. "I dunno" says Shocker, looking around at the crumbling technology-company building that Peter Parker had visited only a few days earlier. "Something about paying us with something new." -- "Good! I could use a new outfit. This one didn't do the trick." --- A voice comes from all around them suddenly: "No, Petruski, it wasn't the technology. It was the INCOMPETENTS WHO WERE USING IT!" -- A lightning bolt strikes both of them, and they fall and shudder in pain. Trapster recovers first, firing a glob of glue in the general direction of the electricity. It's vaporized by another blast. "I gave you one simple task, you cretins. KILL SPIDER-MAN. You couldn't do that One. Little. Thing." -- Another bolt of lightning strikes the ground in front of the duo, and they look up as the voice continues: "Now, however, I've found something better than you two. I'd like you to meet my new employee-- ELECTRO! Show them how we feel about failiure!" ZZZAAAAP!!! Trapster is toast. Shocker falls back and stands in awe as Max Dillon, in his new green-and-yellow costume, rides a lightning bolt down from the sky, through a hole in the roof. The man is crackling with energy, and Shocker wastes no time firing shockwaves at him. In the brief fight that follows, Electro utterly trounces Shocker, and finally, when both flunkies are defeated, the voice says "Dispose of them."-- Electro's eyes glow and crackle as we get close-up to his face, and then he strikes-- fade to black.
Next scene, Electro stands between the charred husks of Trapster and Shocker. The silhoutted stranger approaches, and says "Excellent. The costume is making it easier to control your powers?" -- "Yes. It's making it easier to channel the electricity, and aim it, and shape it. I don't NEED this, though. I can learn on my own." -- "We do not have time for that, Max. I need you out there NOW. The suit will guarantee that you strike true, and once that's done and Spider-Man is dead, you and I will take this city by storm!"
Cut to Peter and MJ. Being cutesy, talking about life and MJ's career and all that crap. Happy moment again. You know the drill. Pete's listening to the police band on his radio, and hears of an attack on cop cars and a movie set in Times Square. Someone is shooting electricity at the police!!! MJ nods, Pete throws on the costume, and he's on his way.
At the scene of the destruction we see Bruce Campbell as a special effects guy on the movie set. A director is saying "What the hell is this, Beck? I asked for a little rainstorm effect, not this!!!" -- "It isn't me, man! I didn't do it!" -- Electricity strikes the camera, and the cops on the other side start shooting into the air at Electro, who stands aloft on an electrical current. "I AM THE MASTER OF ELECTRICITY! I AM ELECTRO! WHERE IS SPIDER-MAN NOW?" -- "Whoa. That guy has issues. I'm out of here!" says Quentin Beck, before hopping in the only nearby truck and starting it up. The director yells at him "Beck, if you leave us here, you'll never work in movies again!" -- "I'll take my chances, chief!" Beck says, and steps on the gas...
Just then, Spider-Man shows up. I won't detail the fight, but it's long, cool, and eventually ends with Electro sending out an electrical wave that blows up every light, powerline, and outlet in a one-mile radius. When the dust clears, he's gone, but not before Pete notices that he's wearing a pretty high-tech suit, and it looks a little familiar.
Next, we see Spider-Man creeping on the ceiling of the run-down, abandoned technology company he tracked down earlier. He finds Trapster and Shocker, and knows he's on the right trail. "Who owned this place? Where does technology like that COME from? he says aloud while searching through some old files. --"From my company." says the voice of the stranger. Peter's eyes grow wide inside his mask. He turns to see...
Norman Osborn stands in front of him. Alive. He's not dressed as the Goblin, but it's unquestionably Norman. "You didn't think you'd beaten me that easily, did you Peter?"
"Osborn? You're dead! I saw it." says Spidey. "Yes, I was dead. Very dead. And you buried me. Funny thing about the formula I created, though- It's quite incredible, actually- You see: I got better."
ZZZAPPPP! Spider-Man is struck by a bolt of electricity. Norman laughs as his employee, Electro, advances on Spider-Man. "I may not be up to full strength yet, Peter, but I am still as much a genius as I ever was, and if I can't finish you myself, I can at least make sure I'm the guy paying the bills and supplying the technology. And I get to watch. It's a good day for the Osborn family."
Fight scene. jump/zap/smash/zap/etc.
Spider-Man is getting beat. He's charred, sore, and not doing very well at all in this closed-off area. He's laying on the ground, just about done-for, and Norman walks up to him. "You're pathetic, Parker. Electro here has all the tools to make you a memory. I thought of siccing him on Mary Jane, but then I thought: Maybe I'll keep her for myself."
"NOOOO!" Peter yells, and leaps up, kicking Norman in the chest with both feet, narrowly missing being blasted apart by Electro. He fights back, renewed, punching and kicking Electro, and finally ripping the major components of Electro's costume off of him. Electro freaks. Electricity flies everywhere. Spidey dodges, Electro is screaming because he's out of control, and Osborn is suddenly struck by electricity and falls limp to the floor. Spider-Man grabs Osborn's still form, and leaps out the hole in the ceiling.
Inside, Electro is trying to "pull it in" but he can't. He's too exhausted, too inexperienced, and too powerful. Electricity crackles from every pore in his body, glowing, growing, until KRAKABOOOOM!!! He's gone in a white flash... But is he dead? Or has he just evolved into something else. . . Something worse? (Yes, he has. We'll see him in the next movie). Pete lays Osborn down on the ground, and looks at him. It's him. It's really him. And he can't do anything about it. He can't kill him. He can't turn him over to police (Osborn was never implicated as the Goblin), and he can't make Osborn forget who he is... He takes off his mask, and just sits there looking at Norman as he lay unconscious. He buries his face in his hands. As police sirens approach, he knows he can't stick around. "It's not supposed to be this way..." he says, and then swings away just as spotlights shine on the spot where Norman lay.
After a pause, we see the front of the Daily Bugle in JJJ's hand. "NORMAN OSBORNE FOUND ALIVE!" says the headline. JJJ is talking about what a story it is, Norman faking his death to get out of the limelight, and tells Peter "Go to Osborn's place and see if you can get a photo of the man!" Pete looks dazed. "I'm not sure I can, Jonah. I have a honeymoon to get to..."
As the movie ends, we see Pete and MJ on their honeymoon on Coney Island. Pete says he's sorry, it's all he can afford right now, MJ says anywhere is great with you, blah blah blah. Love and kisses, and all that. They have a few laughs, and then walk through the door of their new apartment together to hear the phone ringing. Pete says "I'll get it."
The voice at the other end is too familiar. "Hello Peter. I just wanted to call to congratulate you on your marriage to MJ. I considered sending you a gift, but I think it would be better to keep you in suspense." --- "What do you want from me?" replies Peter. --- "We'll talk about that later. For now, I just want you to know that I'm out here. I'll always be out here." --- "Norman, please..." --- "Have a nice honeymoon, Peter Parker." CLICK.
MJ: "Who was that?" -- Pete: "Uhm, nobody. Just an old friend saying hello." -- "How nice of them!" -- "Yeah. Nice."
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The audience I saw it with at midnight reacted like this at the end. 2 people clapped, about 10 or so booed and the rest of us just kind of walked out without saying anything. I didn't hate it and I didn't see any reason to love it. This will make my DVD stacks only as a set completion coaster.
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Sorry. Got on a roll. If you read it all, you deserve a cookie.
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I was definitely underwhelemed by this film... I can't believe the things that Raimi left in the script... THE BUTLER, THE BUTLER!!!! Seriously, what was he thinking? This film's word of mouth won't be too nice...
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....oh, and also, I wanna see the "rape dollars" Spiderman comic comedy series put into the movie.
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I'm personally shocked by the limited praise this film has recieved. It's aweful. The dialogue is a joke. When Mary Jane breaks Peter's heart on the bridge and cried, my whole theater laughed. Not exaggerating or making shit up. Hysterics. This was bad soap opera writing at it's worst. And Harry's butler. WTF!!!!!! I am appauled this was shat into a film cannister and presented as a movie. Must be a joke. Ha, ha, ha. Very funny Mr. Raimi. Now where's the real movie?
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COOKIES!!! EVIL PETER WANTS COOKIES!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Really. Chocolate Cake and Cookie Girl needs a few extra pounds/ounces in her.
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...you guys must've all seen this movie with assholes. The theatre I was at, everyone clapped at the end. Though, I admit, several people did shout "slut" at MJ when she kissed Harry.
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...evil Peter should have wanted pussy. Forget Ursula, get some form Gwen!
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...where was the Sandman and Venom duet? Mary Jane got to sing. Peter got to play the piano and dance. Mary Jane and Harry danced. Where the Hell was the villain duet? Come on Sam! WTF!
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Am I the only one that really liked this film? The only scene that angered me was the Venom/Sandman meeting and becoming partners in a matter of seconds. Besides that, loved everything. I dont get into the comics, so maybe that is the key. I personally think too many people wanna bitch about something. EVeryone was drooling over those lame ass Hobbit films for the same damn reasons they are hating on Spidey 3. WTF?
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He was being bad and indulgent. He should have had a threesome with the other two significant female in the film.
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Moriarty is mostly right. I did enjoy it though, as a popcorn movie only.
Also, when Mary Jane kisses Harry, all of a sudden in the 34th street theatre in NYC, one guy screams out, "Oh, you a ho!"
Sad, but that's the extent of the character there.
Comedy was a bit too much, but I did laugh at it. Especially the whole thing with Ursula and the cookies.
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"Lame ass Hobbit films" WTF are you serious?! If the LOTR films aren't already classics just wait 20 years and see if people are still watching Return of the King or Spider-Man 3. That's a no-brainer pal. The quickie Venom/Sandman team-up was the tip of the iceberg that angered me and apparently many others. Sure there are many contrived elements in the comics, but what works in one medium doesn't always translate to another (see: Venom!) Any director that would touch Carnage as a villain is signing a one-way contract to directing a low-budget movie of the week on the Sci-Fi channel as his next gig. Come on, Vulcher, Lizard, Electro, even Mysterio (minus the fishbowl) are worthy next villains (not all of them in the same movie mind you!)
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Ok, I must admit this wasn't the best one of the 3. BUT, it was still pretty good.First off, Massy's review of the dance scene, he said it reminded him of something like thinking of his mother while doing it. a) I'm guessing that this was with his cousin, and b) he doesn't know what he's talking about.While the scene was a little out of place, it did not destroy the movie at all. It just showed how cocky he became with the symbiote on him.Massy, go take a pill...As for the rest of the movie. I still liked it.Negatives: Gwen, sorry but Howard is blonde in this one, and acts like it, with those big blue eyes that scream out "Nobody's Home", I'm guessing Raimi had a debt to pay up with her daddy Ron. And the character was totally neutral, I mean that you could've put anyone and change the name to Vanessa in her place, and it would've done the same thing. The you have the way the costume land on earth and right next to Peter. I Don't remember who said it on this site, but it's true they should've made that Venom seek out Spiderman instead of landing besides him. Positives: The Sandman. I tip my hat to him, great job. Being a father myself, I can only imagine what I would do for my kids. Thumbs way up for Church who played this one to perfection. Brock, Topher was actually good in this role. He played it out very good.The rest of the stuff was all counter balances, there are few instances that I was bored and did not care for what they were doing to the story, yet on the other hand you get great action sequences and great character play between Peter and Harry.The Venom in action, I could've lived without, should've done the fourth movie with Lizard and get Brock in snidbits here and there building us up the character while the symbiote is affecting him, then 5th movie get full blown Venom, but yet you still want to see him, because they got the big Spider right on Venom. And there was the lack of Character development yet most of them, we already met. Putting in the Landlords girl in there to not do much was still good, I mean he lives there, so i'm guessing he'll cross her at one point. That's what they did here, show us a little more of who was there previously, and who's still around. I liked that.Ok. well, time for bed. Chow for now!
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Oh yeah, and I'll throw in another vote for an on-screen orgy with MJ Gwen, Twiggy, and Betty as a major missed opportunity. Instead we got an orgy of man-love via the weeping, boy band villain showdown. WTF?!
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havnt you learned by now that Massa is the worst reviewer on the site? im convinced he just some dumbass who stole admin passwords and just posts shit on the site. his stuff always seems like its coming from somewhere else...plus its always fucking wrong. glad someone besides me enjoyed the movie.
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Our theater in San Jose (extreme opposite side of the country, no?) was host to all walks of life. The folks in front of us were obviously high, and were shouting obscenities and commenting the whole movie. Granted, it was hysterical. They yelled "you a fuckin' ho" at the very same part, as well as singing out the Porn Groove when Peter approached MJ on the bridge. They also yelled out "Peter's sterile" when MJ was breaking up with him. They also, quite loudly, said they'd bang every girl that entered the screen. Yes, it is quite evident that those in the theater make this movie HYSTERICAL.
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As I watched most of the CGI, I kept looking for my joystick b/c I thought I was playing my old, Atari 2600. Those were Daredevil vs. Bullseye-bad FX!
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That was a lot of material crammed into one package. I liked it, but I didn't leave the theater with that Spectacular sensation that SM2 gave me. Gwen Stacy was totally wasted.
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Doesn't anyone learn a lesson from the whole fighting on two fronts thing. Your power and effectiveness becomes diminished and diluted. Such is the case with Spider-Man 3. I loved the idea of the struggle within for Peter over his good and dark side. The film should've focused entirely on that with Harry an obvious reflection of that struggle as well. I liked the Sandman character and thought he would've done well in a film dedicated to him as the only villain. Here his entire story is truncated and he becomes sort of impotent, even after they spent time setting up what a decent backstory for him. (Granted not a lot of time, but they made an effort.) Still, the film should have easily decided on one main villain with Harry as the backup story. There's this fear in comic book films that you'll never get a chance to make another film so let's cram the film with everything we've got, much to the detriment of it and the franchise. I'm especially disappointed in that philosophy in this film because the filmmakers and the studios know that they have a pretty good chance of making a fourth film and have pretty much announced their intention to do so. Going into it, they should have decided that they could stand to lose one of the villains and include him in a follow-up film. At the very least, they should not have included Venom in this film. This film should've focused more on the inner struggle of Peter as reflected in the black outfit and focused on Sandman as the main villain. You set Eddie Brock up as Peter's rival (something which was actually already begun in SM1 despite them insisting that Eddie had just started at the Bugle - go back and listen to Robbie during one of the JJJ scenes from the first film). You continue the struggle with the suit up until the beginning of the third act or even into the third act. And you set up a showdown with Sandman. We see the symbiote take over Brock and set him up as main villain for the fourth film. Not only can you tie up plot threads from the first three films but you set up the next series. That or you do the reverse. Feature the struggle with the black suit and Brock as Venom in this film, introducing the whole Gwen Stacy storyline, including her father who just happens to reveal at the end that who they thought was Ben Parker's killer wasn't the wrestling match robber but a man named Flint Marko... Once again, you tie up threads from the first three films - including the Harry storyline - and you open the series up into a new narrative that still has ties to the series. Here's to hoping they realize they can go with one villain and create just as strong a film or better the next time out.
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Another nit-pick: Why is it that Harry's dead dad keeps aging? I know, stupid question, but Raimi could have pre-planned those scenes and shot them all when he did Spider-Man 1. On an unrelated note, I feel bad for the actor playing Dr. Connors. Did Raimi go back on a promise to put him in S3 as the Lizard? If he's not in S4, that actor is gonna walk! The next movie should be the Lizard and if it's absolutely necessary to have two villains, then Vulture as well.
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I just got done seeing Spiderman 3.....and sadly I found it a bit dissapointing.
The last two films where great at suspending my sense of disbelief and keeping me in the story. In this film there where too many scenes that went "nudge, nudge, wink, wink....look aren't we being cute in front of the camera"? I was taken right out of the movie.
Given Sam Raimi's reputation as director I almost got the feeling that the studio felt the film was to dark and insisted that more humorous (and unneccesary) scenes be added.
One scene that really bugged me was one where Peter Parker can suddenly play the piano. While it's possible that his character may have had some lessons earlier in his life it seems unlikely that he could have played with the level of virtuosity that he demonstrated in this scene. We are talking a level of playing ability that a musicians spends a good portion of their lifetime attaining. If his character could have played piano this well, his life would have taken a different direction. It reminded me of those corny old movies (the ones that are not deliberate musicals) where the star sings a song and suddenly there is an entire ochestral arrangement backing them up, even though there is no orchestra anywhere in sight.
The film trys to have a message about revenge and forgiveness which is admirable but it never really comes though effectively.
There are a lot of great scenes in it, and it feels like there is a really great movie just screaming to get out, but in the end we are left with just an "ok" movie.
I was happy to own the first two, but I don't think I will bother owning this one.
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this movie is not up to the greatness of the last 2, but it is not bad in any sense of the word. just because a movie doesn't fuck you six ways from sunday doesn't mean it's a bad movie. it's 'ok' for something to be a really good movie with flaws. i stand by the fact that this movie only really suffers from it's time limit and how many characters it was required to have. let's be logical here... you can never have a real venom spiderman movie or you get Batman Returns, which we all love but parents hated and that is just not going to happen. but kids want venom and the suits demanded it from Raimi 'make a family friendly venom'. what else do we expect. personally, i'd have loved to just seen this movie be about Peter and Harry. sandman was great, but he's always been a B villian. if it was going to be 2 villians, it should have been Lizard and Harry. but even there... how do you do a family friendly Lizard? It's clear now that the reason for the lame helmet/mask for the Goblin was due to the fact that Goblin would have been too scarey for little kids and there goes the family audience right there. i feel bad that Raimi got pushed into a corner on this movie. but i love what he did when he was clearly doing what he loved. the rest... best you can do with shitty demands from suits. and that's not an apology, that's the truth. welcome to corporate run hollywood. don't shit on one of the good guys. that's the first way to convince the suits that they can dismiss good visionary directors altogether. don't think they won't. cause they do already.
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I just watched it.....my Filet Mingon had a cockaroach on top.......thats how i describe this movie..........i'll think of something better tomorrow..... i need sleep
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Oh, i hate that fuckhead. He liked this because he's just gotta fuck with everyone. Not because he actually liked it. what a tool. thanks alot Scott, for making the rest of of who liked this movie look bad ya douche.
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Let's see the real version of the film. You know, the one that didn't suck balls. Finally someone agrees with me about Peter's piano playing abilities being far fetched. He wouldn't be taking pictures of himself for $300.00 p/pic and driving a moped if he could play the piano like that. That WAS a nudge, nudge, wink, wink moment amoung many. I see movies to get lost in the fantasy of that world not get yanked out of it by bits that don't jive with the rest of the movies tone. I thought I was seeing a Rush Hour movie at times. Plus, seems like someone making the film had seen the musical Chicago one too many times. Go watch Dancing With The Stars or American Idol if you need your lame song and dance fix. Don't force it on the rest of us. Bastards...
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Anton, what's your phd in corporate brainwashing? We're spoiled b/c we expect a bit more for 300 million bucks?! So we should lower our expectations b/c at one point in their career a director had the integrity and creativity to come up with a fantastic script that gave all of the elements in the film room to breathe and for us to become invested in the characters. Did you really care about what happened to Sandman, Venom, Gwen, or any of the main characters for that matter. With all the effective build-up of Harry's arc in the first two movies, his demise should have been a far greater pay-off. Instead it was a blink-and-you'll-miss it moment b/c we had to get back to watching more horribly cheesy Venom effects. Lame.
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Spidey 2.1 added 8 minutes of wonderful scenes. Spidey 3.1 subtracts an hour of 'dance numbers/shitty dialogue/Peter crying like he's allergic to something' and includes a half hour of Venom. Oh, and Sandman's daughter dies. If you WANT to go back in time and murder a superhero's uncle, you have to deal with the consequences of changing the space-time continuum.
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"So, uh, Spiderman. I killed your Uncle, but in a totally accidental way that makes your reason to become a superhero appear lame." Way to kill the two previous movies, Raimi.
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It's the director's creative vision. Sure he probably caved into using Venom b/c of Arad, but Venom is one piece of one really f*cked up puzzle. Nearly everything that was wrong with the movie had Raimi's signature style all over it. He made a lot of bad judgements for some reason: too much money to play with, cockiness, laziness, who knows. Some of the bits would be fine in another movie or if the rest of the movie's tone matched, there were just too many contradictory and contrived elements to get characters to go from point A to point B with as little effort and ingenuity as possible. Sloppy Sam, really sloppy.
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Sandman as an accidental murderer is beyond contrived it's just plain lame. It's an after-thought after a bong hit with the Raimi brothers, "let's just have Sandman be the real killer, but he gets bumped in the back and the gun goes off." That's genius screen writing? And yes, it does diminish and invalidate Peter's reasons for becoming Spider-Man. The guy needs his guilt. That IS the character. If it was Joel Schumacher making this film we couldn't be as harsh on him, but Raimi KNOWS this character like the back of his gland. He's an uber-Spidey-Geek. No excuses Sammy!
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Cough it up friends, you'll feel better. I'd rather watch the MTV Spider-Man, animated show then watch the second half of Spider-Man 3 again. Friggin' parade balloon Venom and Sandman...
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Man, I actually want to see Spidemo again... I don't think we realized to the extent of how much of an ASS he was acting like walking down the street. We were too "caught up in the moment" of the movie, to realize how IDIOTIC that bit of script was.
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Actually, don't sing. I've had enough song and dance numbers for one day...
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I'm trying to understand where all the hate is coming from? To compare this to complete pieces of crap like X3 and Batman & Robin to me you lose all credibility. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Mori like that SHIT that was X3. Spiderman 3 was great, with all that Sam Raimi was asked to put into the movie I thought he pulled it off. Venom was awesome I would've like more of him but it was great. The dance had it's place it was hilarious, and I think people forget THIS IS A COMIC BOOK MOVIE! It's not Shakesphere. Sometime's I think we take comics way to serious, yes mostly kids who grew up with them still read them. But my God it's fantasy. If I wanted to see something serious I'd watch the news!
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Is your dance card full Pirate? I think it's just you and I on this Talkback. In that case, nighty nite. Sleep well geeks. Don't let the Spidey bug bite. Too late, it already did BITE!
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So we all know that Venom was "defeated" by Spider-man, but if you remember, Dr. Connors still has that sample of the symbiote... so it could easily be brought back in the fourth movie, if wanted.
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what a pile of shit. venom talking to sandman with that stupid slightly lower voice may be the most retarded thing i've ever seen in a movie theater. I gotta give it to new projectors, it was only a few years ago my theater had shitty shaking color washed out prints. this was so clear i could see that the red head needs to shave her arms, cody from step by step needs to shave his forehead and spiderman needs to shave his ears.
the cgi blows ass. there really isn't any progression in the sandman. he's a dude with shitty luck and the parker family just keeps getting in his fucking way when hes trying to steal money for his daughter. he never really gets angry at spiderman. then suddenly he's king kong trying to murder spider man, then he's not. what the hell.
oh and how the fuck does an explosion kill the venom dark matter? it came to earth on a red hot commit. it obviously can survive extreme heat, so why does the splosion kill it?
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Wcwlkr. Sure it's a comic book movie, but that doesn't mean anything goes. The reason the first two movies were so great is that as fantastical as the characters/situations were, Raimi took great pains to ground them in reality as much as possible so that the audience would believe that these characters could exist in our world. He pulled of this difficult feat with flying colors. Then he blows it with S3. Granted a guy made of sand and a lump of tar with teeth are even more out there, but if he had only used the black Spidey suit and shown its effects on Peter and skipped Venom the movie would have been better and more believable. Also, if Sandman wasn't able to turn into the giant gingerbread man from Shrek 2, that character would have been believable in the context of a comic book movie. Personally I think there should be a 2 villain limit on all superhero movies. The movie would have been so much better with either Sandman OR Venom--not both.
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Cellar Dweller you make a good point. But it's a movie the whole concept is outside the realm of reality. 1 & 2 were far outside the realm of reality. The whole thing it's based on is not real. If he had just done Harry and Sandman and had Peter in the black suit people would still be on here bitching about Why was there no Venom? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion I thought it was great. Please do not compare this to the complete piles of Elephant crap that was X3 and Batman & Robin.
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You people are retarded. Whatever happened to going to a movie and just enjoying it for what it is? It isn't as bad as you are making it. Oh, and the dance number was there for a reason, regardless of how far fetched it is (by the way, the theater I was in loved that entire sequence). So keep complaining, pretend you won't see it 2 or 3 more times, and do the same thing to Pirates 3, FF2, Transformers and the many other blockbuster movies that will kick ass this summer (regardless of how well the 'talkbackers' at AICN thought it was).
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Wouldn't he have to be a biologist to come up with that way of regrowing his arm using lizard dna or whatever?
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it wouldn't affect the guilt Peter feels over Uncle Ben's loss at all, what are you guys talking about? The fact still remains that if Peter hadn't let that guy go, his Uncle would be alive. The lesson learned there would still be meaningful to Peter.
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but don't give her all the credit. Tobey sucks just as bad, and even Franco had some HUGE groaners... AWFUL acting all around. They need to scrap the cast and start fresh. with ACTORS. New director too. Sam's not bad, just obviously burnt out. I'm afraid that if we continue down this road, we'll get into BATMAN AND ROBIN territory, then we'll have to get Nolan to reboot the franchise 10 years later. Venom is still in Conner's Lab, duh. and Octo is still alive too. we need a fresh new story. no more BIG STORY ARCS! they are shit, and we don't want to see people cry all the time. there's more emotions to be played on than wimpy tears. PS:the singing was bad. EMO parker was awful. EVERYONE was laughing AT the movie. it was shitty and horrifying.
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I dont blame Raimi. He obviously made 1 and 2 amazing films. Arad obviously pressured Raimi to put in Venom when he wasnt needed. I dont know why people praise Arad, he seems to just be another hollywood douchebag.
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it seemed like it to me. from when he was still terrorizing NYC in SpiderMan 2. like when someone is so proud of their work they frame it so everyone can see even if its old.
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even when he wasnt crying, his face looked like he was going to.
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....the big coincidences in this movie:
1)a meteor that lands right next to parker, AND contains an alien symbiote in it, how convient
2)spidey saves gwen, who just happens to be his classmate, who just happens to be related to brock (they used to date?)
3)gwen just happens to be spokesperson for spiderman day
4)sandman is now somehow the killer, he gets bumped by the original crook? so ben parker's death is nothing more than a simple accident? Come on guys, sure peter could have saved ben if he stopped the robbery but the way they just needed to tie in sandman to parker is another BIG LAME COINCIDENCE that didnt need to happen if they werent so lazy with the script
5)marko somehow finds himself in a lab that turns him into the sandman...... right, im sure a place like that would have no security at all
6)peter takes off the blacksuit just as brock goes into the same church....
7)am i missing anything else? i dont want to even dive into the other parts of the movie that werent mere coincidences but made it a really bad flick. Maybe the execs and sam were taken over by their own symbiotes, you know, making them pick bad choices over and over again. -
Even the Stan Lee cameo sucked!
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However I did feel that the action scenes were amazing enough to forgive a lot of the other issues. The worst part of the film by far is the venom & sandman scene described here. I really dont know how they could've done it worse. It felt as stupid as every schumacher batman. But other than that I can let the rest of the character problems go.
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while its not perfect, overall i left the theater after sm2, i still remember leaving the theater feeling really happy and amazed..... (dont diss the dunst running through the park in a wedding dress, sam managed to capture a really good ending) cant say the same at all with 3
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The best part of all of this is reading all the peope who are upset about the way Venom was portrayed in SM3. Well I never cared for the character before this movie, and it's obvious he was thrown in for the fanboys who were kicking and screaming like 2 year olds for the baddie. Wait... this pretty sounds like most of the people complaining about Venom in the movie here!! LOL Now I undertstand why Raimi didn't want to put him in. Put VENOM on that high of a pedestal... and you are bound to be disappointed.
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the audience i was with gasped when that happened. you think someone had just shot their dog or something. i even heard one lady say "you little bitch."
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And Harvey Toothpaste helped. *** I don't care that much about Gopher Face as V-Man and Thomas Hatin' Panettierre as Morpheous or Jewel's missing tooth as Mary Jane. I've seen a bunch of reviews but none of them address the real important question: how much screen time does Mageina Tovah have in this one? *** I've seen some commercials for this. When is it going to be on TBS so I can tape it without watching it and then copy it over and edit out all the commercials and the dance sequences?
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cause i sure didnt.
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damn. they protect/defend their lab with a fence?
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That was the worst Spider-Man ever! I will only see it three more times...today!
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knobbled. This means that Sony got to harry......
The next time you read a Harry review of Sony movie expect him to say only good things about it. HIs review for Spidey three must have been bad. -
that mj gets bad reviews, then peter says "yeah this is something you'll just need to get used to"..... says so much for this film.
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Ok.....
I really liked Alfred Molina as Doc Ock...but I thought 2 was weak. Good action...trite, cliche dialogue. The fake science really was jarring...too cartoony. Why is their electricity going to that old pier? How did the river stop the self sustaining nuclear reaction? Why is MJ so heartless as to string spaceboy along and then dump him at her wedding? What did he do to her? The whole scene with Aunt May finding out Peter let Uncle Ben's killer go and then moving without telling Peter and then forgiving him in an awkward way...
So many wierd moments, so little coherence. AND..I still liked it. After repeated viewings...I like it less, however.
3, however, did it for me. Thanks in part, maybe, to lowered expectations. I didn't love the Sat. Night Fever bit..but it isn't any more bizzare than Dock Ock not knowing that Peter is spiderman, yet throughing a car at him while he sits with his girl in a caffe. Wasn't he supposed to get Peter to tell him where Spiderman was? If Peter hadn't been Spiderman...gone something like this....
"THrown car smashes and kills Peter Parker and girlfrined..Dock Ock screams..."PARKER.....WHERE IS SIDERMAN!!!! Uh...Parker?.......DAMMIT!!!"
I thought 3 had better acting(dialogue)...more emotion. I love the redemption of Harry. I love the forgiveness moment with Sandman. The fights are the best ever. The first Harry Peter fight is unreal. I think JAmes Franco's given a lot to do in this film and he is fantastic. I like Dunst a lot...but didn't really dig her character until this one. Tobey isn't just going through the moves to me...I thought he gave it his all the whole time. I totally bought grunge tobey(except for the Sat. night Fever bit). Topher was great with what I think is the dumbest villain of all time...the simplistic...sucktastic.."Venom". ooooo venom...he is sooo scarey. Whatever. It was an interesting way to get out of the completely screwed up black costume era of the comic.
Give me Kraven, the Vulture, Electro, Molten Man, the Shocker...(ok...maybe not the shocker)...ANY DAY!
AND...no one is ever really dead in the comics...even Harry. If we can turn a black shitty costume into symbiote villian with over active slivary glands and genetically related to Gene Simmons..we can get Harry back somehow.
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Everyone was dying in the movie theatre, laughing their asses off. i totally disagree that it screwed up the pacing or didnt belong. Its Spiderman..its supposed to be fun dammit!!!!!
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The guy sitting behind them looks amazingly like Willem Dafoe...It's not, but the resemblance is so striking it throws you even further out of the movie...Not paying attention to what's in the camera frame...that an extra has a distracting appearance...just a small symptom of the larger sloppiness that pervades this whole picture...
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more than any other part of the movie.
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was he just visiting that day or what?
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Yes, it has a few problems (mostly the too-short scenes that made it feel like an extended TV episode), but there was so much that made up for that. The comic book action sequences were phenomenal - particularly the crane scene and the final fight. Also, Bruce Campbell had the entire cinema in stitches. Finally, I fucking loved the 'Peter Parker is an asshole' scenes, and it seemed like everyone else did, too. The strutting, the pointing, the dancing - turns out, Tobey Maguire is a comic genius.Anyway, although I agree with many of the criticisms, I think people are taking them too far. It's a very enjoyable film, and the long running time whipped by without my ass complaining.Man, I feel like a plant or something.
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...Holy fuck!!! if that's the case... it's beyond sloppiness...sabotage! sabotage!
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"There were a few jump scare moments that really got me, so I guess Raimi learned something from his days of producing Grudge movies."---Or maybe he learned something when he did those little films called Evil Dead and Evil Dead II?
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and the fact that Kirsten Dunst was miscast as MJ.
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that was the only movie where i jumped out of my seat. i felt silly afterwards.
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thats it...sign this site over to Mori amd Quint. Harry is too busy living with his make-believe fiance and setting up his internet to do is job.
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...was when Betty Brant was trying to induce a heart attack in J.J.J., really if she's concerned with his blood pressure...should that buzzer be so loud it shakes the whole fucking table?
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...Bietty's buzzer shook my keyboard whilst i typed...
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Anyone else laugh out loud when Spidey landed in front of the American flag to an applauding crowd? GO SPIDEY! GET THOSE FREEDOM HATERS!
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I am also quite confident, Spiderman 3 does not suck. Four Weddings and a Funeral, Shall We Dance, Silent Hill, Pretty Woman, Fried Greeen Tomatoes....these movies SUCK!!!
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...Ever since Empire Strikes Back, one of the biggest cliches in Hollywood has been the Villain creates the Hero... Anybody remember the painfully embarrasing dialogue in Conan where Thulsa Doom (played by James Earl Jones for Chrissakes!!!) tell's Arnold "I...am...Your Father) ugh. What has come about is a lazy and plagiaristic "tradition" in superhero movies to have the villain be responsible for the hero becoming the hero. It was almost original when the Joker turned out to be the guy who shot Thomas and Martha Wayne. It was tired and easy when Kingpin turned out to be the guy that killed Battlin' Murdock. It was painfully embarassing when it turned out to be Victor von Doom who caused the spaceship accident. Harry ranted about this rather vehemently a few years back, I don't remember his exact words... but I think they were something like "STOP! NOW!" The Spider-Man franchise was a refreshing exception to this rule...until now. They couldn't have not realised this, so why? why? why this self-inflicted wounding of the franchise?
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Our once favourite adjective?
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Couple things:1. I can't believe how many people are whining about the so-called 'Saturday Night Fever' sequence. That was fucking hilarious, the best non-action scene in the film, and anyone who doesn't like it has no sense of humour.2. I can't believe how many people are criticising the relationship problems Peter and MJ had in the film. Yes, it was silly that they were on the verge of splitting up because of poor communication, but - here's an important fact for you - that's how a great deal of long term relationships hit the skids. People stop talking. I thought they did a pretty damn good job of showing how Peter's growing ego was preventing him from really listening to Mary Jane, and I thought Dunst did a good job (with little dialogue) of showing the heartbreak and disappointment on her face every time Peter started banging on about Spider-Man.To conclude, too much whining, Ain't It Cool types. Does a film have to be perfect? That would be nice, but so far only One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest and The Big Lebowski (and maybe Leprechaun In Space) have managed it. Can't you relax and ENJOY a film despite its imperfections? If you have ever liked Spider-Man, I see no valid reason to bash this film so relentlessly.
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It isnt his fault for Venom. The studio pressured him into writing the character into the movie. Im sure the movie would have been completely different if Venom wasnt in it. Given the length of the movie, writing 3 villians into 1 movie was a difficult task. I was wondering why Sam and Ivan Raimi wrote the movie anyways. They should have gotten somebody else to write the movie. Moriarty, while I dont like the criticism youre giving, and I dont think he should hand the reins over, your review was spot on.
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i posted this in Cumpstons, but in serious risk for copypasting it into this TB easpecially, well, here it is...but is indeed the man from london, as you speculated in one of your speculations. And it was I who labeled him a not truth teller so it seem it all is quite cofusing right now. All this aside, there is a serious need to release A lot of VENOM(thanks for showing the way into topic) needed for Die Hard TB to stay in top ten, or is is 12, TB`s, with all this Spiderman 3: The Closet finaly got too small, wasting space with same posts by trolls and comicbook people who should not be listened too when they give opinions on cinema unless they prove their worth somehow.
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You are absolutely right. Masssy needs to stop posting shitty "play by play" that is simply messed up. If the guy can't enjoy a good movie for what it is, then Harry should ban him instead of talkbackers.BSB... Totally agree with you. Arad is like a cancer for Marvel movies. He should be there so they don't fray away from the storylines that were built in the comics for so long, instead of pushing villains and plot to the directors.Raimi is doing a great job considering he's got Arad on his back.Just look at the cameo by Campbell, he made that restaurant scene. Fu**ing hilarious! Great moment for a Spidey flick!Raimi should've said "go away" to Arad, and tell the Studio Execs that he's going to make this movie suck compared to what it should be.I loved the Sandman in this movie. Great way of not ****spoiler - killing off - **** every villain. At least they can use more headlines on future Bugle newspapers for future movies.As you said BSB !!!DAMN YOU AVI ARAD!!!
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Hahaha! I thought I was the only one. Bruce Campbell was the best part of the movie. Oh, and I wtf'd when my whole theater (full of teenagers) did the gasp when MJ kissed Harry. I hope it was only females that did that...
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With my ticket held in my hot little hand, I saw this opening day. Expectations were high...unrealistically so for the third movie along, think Superman 3, Batman Forever...but I loved what I saw. This is despite being a comic book purist. Yeah, they HAD messed with the Sandman origin. I don't know if Sandman & Venom ever actually teamed up by DAMN...that was a breathtaking two and a quarter hours. Was Gwen Stacey underused ? Possibly. I thought maybe they were going to have Mary Jane die (like Gwen did in the comic) and have Gwen replace her in Peter's affections but despite that not happening, all in all I walked away satisfied. The action sequences were incredible. Peter's mawkish sudden "coolness" was well done, both Sandman & Venom looked just like they'd stepped out of the comics. (I've never seen ANYONE look as much as a live action Steve Ditko drawing as Thomas Hayden Church does.)
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I think it would have been a nice change to keep , Sandmans origin closer to the comic .
As I remember he was escaping from prison , ran out onto a nuclear testing zone and got himself fused with the sand as the a bomb or whatever goes off.
That, somehow seems a little more epic and a change from the little science lab experiments going wrong ,that seems to litter these films., What with P Parker , The goblin , Dr Oc and sandman .. its like the films are just repeating the same origins {visually at least} time after time like a ritual . -
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yeah...(banned), nobody was going to old TB, anymore...
by onomaki forp
...so I brought my review and myself over here so those guys who said they wanted to read it, could. Nobody's reading it here though...it gets lost amongst all the other wannabe Eberts...me I'm a wannabe Rex Reed (Then i gets a cameo in a GOOD superhero movie)
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Did everyone notice the line of masks in the goblin base. One was the same as the green goblin mask from the original but gold could this be what the hob goblin could look like? The lizard and hob goblin in spidey four? And then the studio can force the director to put carnage in somehow.
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First off my son and I saw this in fanastic dital projected glory last night. It was our first high def movie going experience, and WHAT an experience! I will agree Dunst is terrible as MJ, but they made up for it in this one with Howard as Gwen Stacy. I was sitting there hoping MJ would bite the dirt on the high rise so Pete could move on with Gwen. For all of you griping about Pete's character...SHUT UP! You gripe about him being a sad sack sack, and now that he breaks out of his shell with the symbiote you don't like that either. The guy becomes cocky and mean JUST LIKE IN THE COMIC! He hurts those around him and then has to repair the damage. Part of that damage is Peter's utter humiliation of Brock. So Brock obtains the symbiote after Pete discards in a church bell tower...JUST LIKE IN THE COMIC!! The Sandman serves his purpose in the film AND doesn't die. Wow! Maybe he'll show up in another SM film where his character will be explored even further. Ah the magic of a series of films. So the script may not fallow 40 years of Spidey cannon to the T, but Raimi has developed these films into a series of great adventures for the gerneral public as well as us geeks. So all you crack heads continue to jones for the shot by shot comics adaptation that will never happen and the rest of us will just soak up and enjoy a great summer movie.
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i could tell it was coming when MJ started to lean closer to Harry. it was building slowly and when she finally kissed him, everyone did The Gasp! and i was all wtf.
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...who take the jokes in this movie way too seriously. "OMG, why was Betty's buzzer so loud?!" Because it was funny. "How come Peter can play the piano?!" Because it's funny. "Why did Peter drop down in front of a big American flag?!" Because it's funny. Jesus, this isn't Batman, this isn't X-Men, this isn't even Daredevil. These movies are surreal, melodramatic, and comic, they always have been. That's the reality they inhabit, a reality that entertains rather than adheres to strict rules. Most people seemed to accept that in the first two movies. The people who refuse to accept it now seem to be just finding any little thing to pick on to justify their disappointment. Chill out guys. You don't need to. The movie had real flaws, you don't need to imagine more.
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after the explosion.
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...i would damn you wonka, but you're not the right one... you're too venomy...
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He calls is a misstep. He's wrong. This is the best of the three.
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i think he was.
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I'm shocked to hear people complaining about what a creepy asshole he was, when that was completely the point of the sequence. I loved that Raimi managed to portray a character going to the dark side as being *less* cool than that character as a good guy.
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How bad would he homo-fy Spidey?
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..wasn't creepy enough. He should have been a mean bad-ass, tough guy...not a petulant child. I swear to God a couple of times Tobey looks exactly like Clay Aiken...
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Why? Peter's a huge dork. Is a huge dork suddenly going to acquire self-possession and an intimidating persona just because he's an asshole? No, he's going to be some slimy loser who thinks he's a badass. It was both truer to the character and funnier this way.
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...I thought it made the moment when he eventually kinda flipped out and beat up those bouncers, then hit MJ, all the harsher. Because the way it was played out, evil-Pete was funny, he was entertaining, and it's not 'til the end that you (and he) realize that he's also dangerous. If he'd been intimidating the whole time, you wouldn't get that "oh shit" moment when he decks MJ, you'd have seen it coming and it would've lost its impact.
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that beat pirates 2 opening day by 4 mil. im impressed, but i cant say that it deserves it
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ok, so I cringed a bit, but I still found it funny. Most funny is that during it, most of the women didn't find him as sexy as he thought they did. This is the kind of silliness we get when Raimi is involved.
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These movies all needed more Betty. Hottest woman in them. She always feels like a character whose scenes were cut. Maybe she's a background comic character used just like this, but I like me some Liz Banks.
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Raimi built up so much cred with the previous two that no matter what anyone says people will show up. You could not have said anything to make me hold off see this movie. I will probably buy the dvd just to watch the action sequences and the great scenes with Sandman and some great shots of Venom. But I can gaurantee I will never subject myself to that dance sequence ever again.
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The thing that was so genius about it and the whole evil Peter thing was the it was a nerd's idea of what's cool. And you're kind of laughing at him, but also laughing at yourself, because, duh, you're watching Spider-Man 3. I feel like people who were so bothered by that were so because it cut a little too close to home. The movie was overstuffed, the Venom stuff really didn't work, but other than that, I actually loved it. It was a like a Hal Hartley movie with a couple of cool action scenes thrown in.
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as to how anyone could not find the dance sequence funny. Seriously. It was goofy as shit.
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was hilarious! the looks they gave each other as they saw him strut past them was funny!
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With Peter being *totally unable* to talk like a badass. The poor dork.
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i mean he could've smiled every now and then, but he just had this blank, depressed, emo expression on his face during the whole movie. and the crying at the end was ridiculous.
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he kept ruining the movie for me. the only time he was interesting was when he turned into a sand monster and i didnt have to see his face.
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I did like this movie, but the biggest issue really was trying to cram too much in there for one film. While it would make it far too long, I'll bet Raimi could put together a 3-hour cut that would use everyone better. It occurred to me that all the Grace, Howard and Cromwell scenes felt like a highlight reel of another movie starring them. All three were underused, with Cromwell being wasted the most. If you see this again, think about it. It's like they're off somewhere else having their own movie and we only get to see them when they crossover with Spider-Man 3...
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...kinda resembles the way Jimmy Franks looks lately. See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-F16WoHO4A fill in the gaps
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Yeah, i mean it you Sheep/product you. I red it the first time and wanted to comment right there but got a bit too involved in another TB and forgot to give credit. It reds very good, insightfull and funny, including the real life broadway shenanigans and as far I am concerned you can allways post your reviews/opinions. Loved lover`s behavior analisys and Sanjajalam.
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here are 2 great actors of our time and they appear in the movie for a collective 20 min!
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They would be horribly under used is this movie was titled "The Adventures of Capt. Stacy"; however this is Spiderman, so EVERYONE is a supporting character to tell HIS story.
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I`ll see pirated DVD, same as with the first two. Makes for easy fastforwarding immediatelly upon stumbling on bljack moments. And there is plenty of them in first two alredy. So this instalment just made sure everyone will finaly see it for the crap it is. And the godzillions Sony will make on this POS will just bring the cinema to even lower standards. How low can we go man!? Is there no bottom?
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The Gwen Stacy Adventures!
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while waiting in line so the movie could start, i saw several people wearing SpiderMan and Venom shirts. I saw this one dude wearing a Venom shirt with black pants and he was wearing the Venom mask. When we got into the theater i saw that a little girl was dressed as Snow White, i was all wtf. And some people dressed up as if they were going to their prom.
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Damn thats a hunk of change.
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$58,999,999 handed out in refunds to dissatisfied fans. :-)
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I saw two guys that either 1. dressed up as Jay and Silent Bob, 2. dressed this way normally in life, or 3. actually *were* Jay and Silent Bob.
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thinks 3 is much better than 2. What is it with this guy?????
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Yes. They raised the bar with Spider-man 2 and fell woefullly short this time around. It was aweful. Unless you only care to see the action sequences (which are still never as good as the train fight in SM2) this was a complete an utter waste.
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presumably the action sequences are not as goodd because ILM were not on board this time. It was Sony Imageworks.
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...is an moron. Have you ever read any of his other reviews? If he doesn't like it, go see it.
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....where would everyone place this film, on it's own terms (as opposed to in the context of being a disappointment), in the pantheon of Marvel films? Personally, I think it was nearly as good as X2, which also had a stellar first half and became much more of a mixed bag toward the end.
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I totally agree, he seems to read the genral concensus one every movie and then write the complete opposite. He's a major twat.
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...and I was a little disappointed. The film isn't bad, but I just couldn't help noticing that the film seemed poorly edited and rushed. The score was poor. The only major character who I emotionally attached to was Sandman. *sigh
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the Giant Gingerbread man from Shrek 2! "OOHH, PREEETTTEEEEY".
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I really wanted to see a Peter Parker that was confident and not a wimp. What's with all the crying? Didn't he cry enough already in SP2? S T O P I T. Ya parenle con esa madre.
If Raimi can make JJJ and Bruce C so funny, why can't he pull the wise-cracking Spider-Man that we know? This is one of the crucial aspects of Spider-Man. Smart-ass comments that make the villains angry and the audience smile have been missing from day one. OR is it that Tobey M can't pull it out? His few lame attempts in S-M 1 came out flat, insipid, devoid of all spark. I agree with all those that say that Topher would have made a better PP/SM. He had in this movie the witty personality that PP should have had since day one, plus we have seen it pull out a nerd flawlessly in his show. I really enjoyed the moments Topher was on the screen.
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This movie was just a disapointment. The good news is Bruce Campbell was great.
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What a delightfully awful idea. ;)
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Spider-man 3 was on 10,000 screens compared to 8500 for Pirates 2. This would make a huge difference in total grosses. Pirates 3 will win the total box office battle.
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People went to see Pirates2, but they were largley disappointed by it. Pirates3 is far from a sure thing.
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that will never happen. not in a million years.
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I WISH YOU ALL LIVED ON APLANET WHERE PEOPLE CARED ABOUT THE PLOT OF A COMIC BOOK MOVIE. point one: Spidy 2 the teacher just happens to know the future villan, same lameness as venom meating sandman. As far as the snoozeness of the mary jane/romance parts, less screen time than either previous. And the songs???? They were bad on purpouse, what you guys forgot Sam Rami could be sarcastic. More action, best effects of mabye any movie ever?, and 3 villans and Bruce Cambell at the top of his "A" game. You all are LAME CRITICS. Now Moriarty, everyone who is hating I'd like you to wirte this on the board a million times! THIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUNTHIS MOVIE IS FUN
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Who knows how many screens Pirates's 3 will be playing on?
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you want to tap everything.
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3 1/2 stars, so I'm gonna have to go see it now. Basically he says that Spidey3 is a State of the Union address and a message about healing. Hahah.
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what the fuck is funthis?
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I really enjoyed it. Is it as good as Spider-man 2? No. Couldn't be as good because that film has the best Spider-man villain of Doc Ock. This movie is turning point for the series. I personally think that all movies have trouble with 3rd films. Lets look at the history of third movies.
Star Trek 3: Search for Spock
Superman 3 costarring Richard Pryor as a computer genius.
Batman Forever where Robin is introduced
Godfather 3: featuring George Hamilton
Terminator 3
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No need to cut and paste 450 times.
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Let me start by saying that I may be a bit all over the place and back and forth.
1st, as a movie (which we shouldn't forget is a business tool) S3 was actually good. It was nice to look at, offered fairly solid acting performances and did a more than decent job of bringing characters to life from 2D source material.
2nd, as a third installment in a so-called trilogy it was greatly lacking and followed a sad trend in trilogies of being supreme let-downs. See Matrix Revolutions, Return Of the Jedi, X3, Blade Trinity, Superman 3, Jaws 3, Batman Forever, Lethal Weapon 3, Godfather 3, Goldmember and for the ecclectic heck of it, Once Upon A Time In China III. In good non let-down trilogies, there's a concluding progression of character and story development that was absent in S3. See Return Of The King and Revenge Of The Sith. Mary Jane was the same emotionally flaky chic she's been in all three flicks. Sucker-ass movie Pete has always been way more in love with her than she even seems to LIKE him. Harry's still on the same lack of forensics facts based fued with Spidey/Pete. Aunt May is still delivering antecdotal parables to sooth Pete's predicaments, but NOT knowing or being told that Pete is Spidey. Does Robbie of the Bugle know or doesn't know that Pete is Spidey? It was hinted at in S2. What was the state of Osborne Industries/OsCorp? Just because Harry utters a frustrated "I'm ruined!" after he escapes with Spidey's help from Doc Ock's failed experiment in S2, doesn't mean that a billion dollar organization is belly-up.
3rd, as a fanboy of Spider titles there were several glaring points for nitpicking. If there was true insistance on Venom being a villian in the movie, maybe he should've replaced Sandman as the supposed focus villain. Venom is more of a true nemesis than Harry and Flint Marko. Flint Marko/Sandman killing (even accidentally) Uncle Ben!?!? Way to take from Burton's Batman 1. No true romantic development between Pete and Gwen. Damnit, she was his actual girlfriend BEFORE Mary Jane. Sandman didn't live up to the true potential of his abilities. No shifting through cracks or keyholes, only hammers, big fists and growth. By the way, did Sandman ever get to actually HELP his daughter in S3? The symbiote suit was more like sticky nightmare veins rather than flowy liquid akin to lava lamps. No true evidence of enhanced abilities with the black suit. The black suit never took him out on late night jaunts while sleeping. I understand that there was no way to get into the whole Secret Wars origin of the symbiote, but damnit, a meteor crashing within yards of Pete and MJ?!? What the hell with taking a symbiote suit to Dr. Connors for analysis? Will the good doctor incorporate it somehow into his Lizard movie origin? Stop killing off villians! I guess you can always start over one day as evidenced by Batman Begins? In a better world Topher Grace is Pete/Spidey Richie Cunningham's daughter as Mary Jane. As for reformatting the flick, those two just mentioned as the lead couple, Harry and Venom teaming up with no Sandman in the movie makes way more sense.
In all and giving great credit where credit is due, Good Job Sam Raimi. Raimi, I'm sure, had a lot of fronts to accomodate. Fanboys (which he is himself), studio suits, corporate suits, and the general popcorn munching audience ALL had to be satisfied. With that being said, he did a great job with villian cramming, story and direction. Spiderman 3, Good but not Great.
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I know that there are rediculous leaps in logic in SM3 but I don't think it is a departure from the other 2 rather they are not masked as well by the pace of the movie and the drama which is due to the fact the movie is just too crammed full to do that. In SM2... Peter LOSES his powers from stress?!?! What the fuck logic did that make? It made ZERO sense at all. You can't even begin to defend that. It was completely retarded. Did I care? Not really. I just excepted that it was a comic book movie not the French Connection.
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that is all...
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... I hear this movie is fun.
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I was waiting for him to start wearing the tight chick pants and cut himself.
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Gotta give you props, Moriarty, that was so well written.
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There is actually ZERO logic in any of the Spiderman movies. They all take gigantic leaps. But they are fun. So, who cares. I saw it a second time and now I feel like watching it again. All you complainers will like it the more times you watch it. There's way too much to enjoy to not watch it again. I'm rarely happy the first time I watch a comic book movie. 300, Sin City, Matrix, the one with the guy who gets cancer played by the other guy in the movie with the sandman, Batman Begins. Otherwise, they can never match my own imagination and it takes a second viewing for me to really get into the movie. The drama is ussually what is effective to me the first time watching. And this Spiderman movie just couldn't compete with the drama of the other two. Though... I am more an more sad to see what happens in the end because I liked that character alot especially in this movie.
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By now Spidey three is out and the verdict is in. I loved the first two films. Spiderman three is a big a let down as you can imagine, only more so. All the actors look as if they couldnt give a shit anymore and that is a very bad thing. Whats worse is that it appears Raimi was leant on to include a character he didnt want. Venom. This could so easily have been the sandman movie. The part where flint marco becomes Snadman is touching. but the american idol induced blubbing is cringe inducing. stop blubbing for fucks sake. Simon cowell is to blame for this. The writing in this movie is really limp and it feels like the movie was made in a hurry. They ripp part of this movie off superman 3. only they replaced reeves greasy looking designer stubble with a fringe for maguire. which looked dreadful. and to make matters worse they added black eyeliner. This is my main and damning criticism of this movie: do they not ask questions in studios or at least did Raimi completly disregard the sudios notes when they saw the dance sequences with tobey maguire. Did no one ask what the fuck is going on and did raimi have full control of his movie by that stage or even his senses. did he even have them when the movie was being made to being with. The acting at the end was from hayden christensen school of acting. The stuff with the butler was so bizaare, you just couldnt help laughing and the audience did. unintentionally. I loved the first two movies. The trailers were simply magnificent. That gergorian music with the orchestral backing made those two film out to be epic and that it is what put bums on seats. it made you want see those. Spidey three will make you want to see this for a different reason. See how easy it is to throw a franchise down the toilet. as I left theatre, I was overcome a sense, that I never want to see another Spiderman again.
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in the other two films. It sounds like the same with the third. I think that is actually (along with the dialogue) the weakest things about these movies. Although I did like the randomness in the Spidey2 because it made it feel like a departure from the dreaded superhero movie formula.
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annoying british tv report. dear god, i wanted a piece of masonary to flatten here really bad.
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and very significant theme. You can have things branch off of that, but since they are modern myths, they work best when you stick to that and do not deviate. It seems this film is about forgiveness, but it gets very muddled because it only superficially explores it. Otherwise, you get in danger of it turning into a soap opera, because it has many of the same characteristics in serial storytelling. They need to keep the soap opera stuff out of superhero films - it's fine for the comics, to a point.
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It says somethign whenevery extra is hotter than the lead...Sam knows how to pick em
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Just got back from a morning showing and it was at least as bad as X3. This summer is going to be a big dud.
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TF will pull a Titanic.
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She was the real star of the movie. She makes Kirstin Dunst look like a troll. The rest of it was pretty paint by numbers. There weren't any real surprises (MJ gets kidnapped at the end of the film AGAIN?) and the fight scenes were cartoonish, even the ones without Sandman. Does Peter have Wolverine's healing ability and admantium skeleton now? Because I clearly remember getting knocked out in the first film and taking a pounding that would turn him into a fine paste in this one. And don't tell me it's a comic book movie, that's the entire point. You have to follow your own rules above all else.
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by what my friend said at the midnight showing during the dance sequence. "I have to be dreaming. This sucks, I'm going to wake up tomorrow and be like, wow, I had the worst dream ever that Spiderman 3 was horrible." The movie is incomprehensibly terrible. Sam Raimi must have bought the Office on dvd or some shit and decided that awkward, uncomfortable humor was funny so he jam packed Spiderman 3 with totally random, stupid moments. The action was cool, but fuck, Spidey flying around with Harry on the hoverboard played out like they were the Ambiguously Gay Duo. Also, I'm pretty sure they shot this movie without a script and it was just improv.
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Because I never thought that I could see anything that would ever make me want to punch out a kitten but here we are.
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The movie will be the number one comedy of the year.
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and not just at the comedy bits either.
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breaking into song/dance to a Golden Oldie in films? For at least 10 years or so?
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That's a FACT, not an opnion. Pirates 2 was complete and utter mediocrity yet it got a free pass because Superman Returns was such a let down. The same will happen here. Everybody on this board has their own vision of Spiderman and there's no way the end result could live up to it. Pirates never had that pressure. The first one hit for that very reason--no one saw it coming. And in some way, they were able to sit back and enjoy the ride for Part 2 in the same fashion and will do so again for Part 3. No matter how good or bad the movie may be, it'll surpass Spiderman (though it won't be as an embarassing as SR's failure was).
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Dance/song numbersOrigin stories comprising the first 30 minutes of the movie - we get it, okay?Anyone WB would consider casting for their t.v. channel playing characters that are supposed to be grown upsCostumes that do not look in line with the original comic book designButlers and/or sidekicks explaining things that should be explained by the unfolding of the story itselfLove interests that exist solely to create teen angstMeet-cutes with characters that belong in your average episode of Sailor Moon/PokemonTeary-eyed villains who are evil but sooo sympathetic, i.e. "My kid is dying so I had to do X." (Unless he is punched in the face by the hero/villain immediately following said revelation.)Everyone knowing everyone else and all of their motivations somehow inexplicably being tied together
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How in the world can anyone hate this movie? There are some shitty shitty movies made. This is not one of them. I appreciate Moriarties review. It's honest and realistic. I bet you he's changed his mind about seeing it again by now though. And his opinion about the movie will raise on a second viewing. And I expect that Harry felt the way Moriarty did, but he knows he will likely feel different on multiple viewings. That's why no review. He knows he'll love this movie in the long run but he also knows it's not a homerun the others were. Anything positive he says is gonna be called an apology.
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then i'd better douche before my hot asian girl on girl action with my fellow Japanse schoolgirls...
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one of the nicer Tarzans - also did a lot of "peplum" work Ercole (Hercules), Machiste, etc. (Not off - topic Lord Greystoke related to Parker family through Wold-Newton)
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Was that Ellen Degeneres coming out of the theatre after the show near the beginning of the movie? This is not unusual for celebrities abound in Midtown theatre district...I once saw Hugh Jackman in the Men's Room at a showing of Avenue Q (if I'm a lesbian...what was I doing in the men's room? a straight woman would at least have motivation for following Hugh in there... I guess for Wolvie I'd be willing to make an exception)
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at my screening too. And that was for a movie that ended with two people dancing. This one's gonna be huge cause it's going to connect the most with the non-geeks.
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...and you know how much we girls love horses... (BSB you owe me for this set-up)...
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How does this film not have an official talkback yet?
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they're saturating the site to try and hold back the negative buzz. This will open huge. One of the biggest weekends ever. Won't hold up nearly as well as the other two spiderman movies. Wait for it.
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As ridiculous (although admittedly pretty damn funny) as it was seeing Pete act like some kind of wannabe gigolo, that's basically the way Eddie acts in the movie and since Eddie does become Venom, it kind of makes sense in that respect.
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Ok, here it goes. 3 years ago when Spidey 2 came out Raimi was it appeared setting the story for spidey 3. I remember the cartoon very well and when I saw stuff with MJ and John Jameson. I thought that is how they are going to bring in venom into the movie. We know now that raimi didnt want venom at all. ever. He wanted Sandman. He was told that there would be no more Spiderman. We have been told that there will be a spiderman 4,5,6. Raimi fought the studio and he lost and I dont think, he ever forgave dunst for opening her big mouth. If he wanted to go out on a bang he could have. but he got screwed. so he wrote a terrible movie.
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Willem Dafoe's stand-in maybe?
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Pete and MJ 3. Seriously, I kept asking the theater: "Hey, uh, where's Spiderman?" NOT a good movie.
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Look at Spiderman 1 and 2. Peter Parker's best friend's dad just so happens to become his arch-nemisis the Green Goblin. Peter Parker just so happens to be doing a report on Dr. Octavius (who gains 8 limps!) in a ridiculous tritium plot and this happened right in front of Peter Parker. Then Doc Ock procedes to rob the same bank and the same time that Peter and Aunt May are trying to get a loan. Nobody was complaining about these coincidences when those movies came out.
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Saw it last night, fearing huge disappointment and I was pleasantly surprised.
Character arcs were completed nicely and I felt satisfied come the end.
Definitely not as good as '2' but it was solid. Loved the Peter street-strut scene - was a Raimi classic.
Audience reaction was good as well. Definitely got the sense the crowd was happy coming out - and this from a much more reserved UK.
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They sucked. The script sucked. The only scene that was awesome was the Birth of Venom (which, though it was such a convenience, it stayed relatively true to the comic).
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That was because Spider-man 2 was GOOD. There's a DIFFERENCE.
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A lot of care and attention was put into Sandman and nothing else.
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I liked it mostly, but as far as quality, I have to compare it more to SM1 than two. Here are my pet peeves about the movie:
1)Ursula is not as cute as she was in SM3; she got sort of dowdy, don't you think?
2) What the hell was Paris Hilton doing in Pete's physics class?
3) Who were those same 3-4 model type girls that were in all the crowd scenes? Where they the Pussycat Dolls dressed down or something?
4) So, if Harry's head wound healed so fast, they why didn't his scarred face heal just as fast?
5)Pete & MJ's reunion at the Jazz Club... they should have just let them break it off at the end, and leave the next movie for Pete & Gwen.
6) The annoying play-by-play between the British reporter and the David Brinkley like studio reporter with the booming "IS THIS THE END OF SPIDER-MAN?" I expected him to say, "More, after this..."
8) I'm not a Venom fan, but the never really showed the Venom face for more that 5 seconds; they would always switch to Brock's face with the Kirsten Dunst's teeth whenever he wanted to talk. Did they cast her teeth for Topher's appliance?
Other than not, not a bad movie, but not as great as I would have expected. And BTW, R.I.P. Gordon Scott.
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Um... obviously we all saw the movie so "0%" is ...well ...a stupid thing to say.
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there were some parts that turned out very good, like the "didnt you hear? im the sherrif in this town", but then there were things that were done in a lazy sloppy manner that could have been executed MUCH MUCH better. I dont like how the church was basically RIGHT ACROSS the street where the jazz club was, where MJ works..... thats a little too much for me, knowing that these flaws will become very appearant with more viewings. Lets hope this movie has some legs so hopefully they can correct themselves with a 4th movie, one that isnt bloated and execs will let the story tellers do what they want to do instead of forcing them to include "AWESOME" "COOL" villians like venom (im looking at you avi). Bring on the re-cut & extended DVD!
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While alot of the flack flying around here about this movie is valid, for me it all came down to a simple thing....
About halfway through or so, it ends up having the unweildy combination of lazy/rushed film making and an attitude from everyone (actors, effects guys, even the director) of not giving a shit...so that in the end, the audience doesn't either.
This is a boardroom turkey...this series needs a rest and some new blood when & if it comes back...
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could have been fleshed out or acted out much better... but when harry came back from the hospital and bernard the butler greeted him the guys eyes were darting all over..... bad execution.
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parker is in the restaurant with MJ, gwen stacey is suddenly there too! "having dinner with my parents here"... right...
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the theater laughed out loud when JJ Jamison said that to Betty!
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the theater laughed out loud when JJ Jamison said that to Betty!
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The biggest problem is that Sam Raimi betrayed Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. He betrayed the character of Peter Parker. He did this by having Flint Marko emerge as the actual killer of Uncle Ben.
Understand what this means. It means that Peter's off the hook. It means that the man he refused to stop was a mere thief; not the future murderer of Uncle Ben. It means the man he chased into the warehouse and pursued to his death was a petty thief. It means that Peter need not feel any guilt about his Uncle's death. It means that the event that taught him his defining lesson of great power and great responsibility never happened.
Spider-Man's defining moment... gone.
And so Raimi has betrayed the character and the franchise with this outing. I am very disappointed.
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the basic ideas could have been great. It was just poorly constructed. They handle the Harry v Peter thing better (say their first fight turns into a tearjerker where SM gets the fight to the Rooftops. There Peter is trying to NOT hurt his friend and is just getting beat down by Harry but trying to explain the situation. He keeps taking it and taking and telling Harry that he tried to save his father and help him and he loves him as his best friend and would never do anything to intentionally hurt him. Fight ends with them both crying and Harry fleeing. We don't see Harry again until the ending where we all cheer when he saves Peter.) Something as simple as a different ending to that fight literally takes most of the horrible and cheesy moments away from the movie. Plus it would allow for more screentime and development for Venom and Sandman. That is just a suggestion by a dumb fanboy, I just think Sam and Ivan could have done ALOT ALOT ALOT ALOT better. SHOULDA COULDA WOULDA. The Movie just feels like a rough first draft turned out in a week that you work off of and improve on. Not put to film. I really hope MISS-Communication isn't the villian in anymore superhero movies, she is just annoying. Her power to ruin movies is proving vexxing.
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before all the spoiler trailers and everything else that came within a year of the release i thought raimi and the team would use more braincells inventing interesting situations where they can avoid all these coincidences. Yes indeed, why couldnt brock have followed spiderman after he got fired from the bugle? they could have done so much more if they had brock investigate how parker even manages to snap those amazing spiderman shots all these years, which leds him right into the church where parker finally manages to take off the suit....
its really sad to see the great efforts put into the first 2 movies go to complete waste. sure the first 2 movies werent perfect but they were bounds and leaps better than this. its like the writers said "yeah we did great with our first 2 exams we're gonna get the enrollment that we want anyhow so lets just connect the dots between the action scenes in this 3rd movie no matter how IMPOSSIBLE the coincidences become". In mere 2 hours and 20 odd minutes theyve killed the spiderman that many of us enjoyed for the last 5/6 years.
Did i mention how horrible the music to this rotten movie is? Its like christopher young was too busy sniffing coke off a hooker's ass along with the rest of the execs to write a decent piece for pretty much ANY part of this movie. The symbiote theme is so bad that it's almost like X3's theme played backwards. Or maybe thats what they were going for, complete sabatoge. -
You are right on the money. Amen!
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That was some serious soap opera bullshit right there - "go after his heart first" indeed. I agree with everything Moriarty said in his review, really. This wasn't a bad film, it wasn't even a disappointing film... it was exactly like the first two films in the series. The problems I had with those films (cheesy moments, bad writing, drawn out drama) are the exact problems I had with this film. So all in all it was a decent ending to a franchise plagued with problems. I hope they go in another direction with the fourth film, that would be very interesting.
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Um... your boyfriend is Spider-man. You don't think he can handle Harry Osborne on a hoverboard?
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did they even know him???
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take that you triskaidekaphobe!!!
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...these assorted moody alternative-rock cultures shift so rapidly that if you blink twice six of them will have ended and three more started up while your eyes were closed... (BSB now rapidly adding up numbers in post...)
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I was wondering that too! But, totally forgot about it because at that point I just wanted to leave... and then Mary Jane sang again.
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so harry dies, didnt the cops investigate why hes even there? i mean he is in the new goblin armor and all, flying in the air fighting a sand godzilla. Doc Ock died at the bottom of a sea (supposedly) but harry dies and gets a full funeral yet nobody questions why hes up there in the construction site.
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I thought SM3 was just okay, but not worth a second viewing. The flick is definitely 'a rental'. I guess as a tiny representative of audience reaction, I ran into the upstairs neighbors in my apartment building on their way back from this movie. One of their two little kids loved it, the other slept through it. The father and mother thought it was one of the biggest turds they'd ever seen.
As an aside, does anybody know where the hell the supposed $250+ Million budget of SM3 went towards? Because the action was few and far between and the SFX looked cheesy in moments. You know I would have taken a $50 Million Spidey movie but with a far better screenplay. I thought they had Alvin Sargent writing this one again. What happened?
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How again are you able to make paragraphs in the Talkback? It's been pissing me off that my statements get pushed into one small paragraph, but I can see that others can do it. Is there something I'm missing?
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Not that the climax was good or anything, but still, WTF??? Raimi, what the fuck were you on?
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...brought back memories of Minmei ruined the old Robotech series.
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...feel like Peter Sellers in Murder by Death...I need Truman Capote as a "cow on wall" to correct my English...
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...that would be unstable of me...
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...you people are so angry and disappointed that you *make up* problems that are *obviously not* actual problems just to complain about something. Gwen a pointless waste? Jesus fucking christ, she breaks apart Peter and MaryJane, if her name had been anything other than Gwen Stacy you wouldn't say a thing about it. You might as well say that Curt Connors was a pointless waste in Spider-Man 2. Introducing important characters in minor roles as potential set-up for the rest of the series is NOT A FLAW. Jesus. Or "OMFG, how convenient that church was right near the bar". You ever been to New York? There's a thousand goddamn churches in that city. He smacked MJ AT THE BAR, and went to think about it AT A CHURCH, and he ended up at A CHURCH NEAR THE BAR. Big fucking shock! And Eddie Brock just happened to be there. Boo fucking hoo, HE FOLLOWED THEM TO THE BAR! WE SAW HIM! ARGH. Sloppy screenwriting and you not paying attention aren't the same thing. Oh, and why did Sandman have to be human and accidentally kill Uncle Ben? You're right, it would be harder to forgive him if he were an unrepentant murderer, but it would also be fucking *impossible* to forgive him if he were an unrepentant murderer because he wouldn't *apologize* for it. You don't forgive people who aren't sorry, Jesus. The whole point is that Pete was ready to kill the guy without knowing the whole story, he was willing to ignore what made him human, focusing exclusively on the biggest mistake of his life. It's hard to say "don't judge people based on one mistake, however horrific" if, in fact, the guy makes a career out of being a murdering asshole. As for the "Peter should've been all evil and not funny when he went dark" thing, again, you're missing the point. Revenge feels good, power feels good, now that he doesn't give a damn about responsibility, he's having a ball, his life's one big joke. And that's why it hits the audience and him both all the harder when he flips out and hits MJ. If he'd been going around acting like a sociopathic asshole, you'd be waiting for that, it wouldn't shock you, the way it shocked him. And, Jesus, this was a vastly more original and interesting way of showing a character turning to the darkside than yet another version of the Anakin-Skywalker "good boy starts doing things that are creepy and disturbing, ooh what a brooding badass he is" story. Damn. Jesus, all this negative reaction is is a bunch of people who had their hopes too high and feel betrayed, same as the manic negative reaction to the last two Matrix movies (both of which are vastly better than, say, Terminator 3). This movie was far, far better than most comic book movies, people are just desperately trying to justify their disappointment.
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...Harry dies and no one investigates or questions? WTF? How do you know no one investigated or questioned? It's not like he was a supervillain--he attacked Peter, but no one knows about that. His only PUBLIC actions were SAVING MARY JANE AND SPIDER-MAN. As far as the city's concerned, he'd be a hero. Funeral's a go, dude.
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but here goes Raimi fucked this film up on purpose to piss off the sony execs who demanded he include a character he didnt want and after he lost the argument , he decided to make a terrible film on purpose. The huge error on Raimis part was hiring his brother to write the film with him.
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Spiderman 3 suffers from what I will call "the alarm clock syndrome". Once I got comfortable with a scene and got motivated by what was being developed, the metaphorical equivalent of an alarm would ring and break my concentration. I just couldn't relax knowing that at at any moment the "alarm" would go off and a completely new scene would be introduced.
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Think about this for a second. Christopher Young's music during the scene where Frank comes back to life in Hellraiser after the blood is spilled in the attic.
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Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem with the film. So much is going on that it can't maintain and build emotional momentum for any particular angle. Which means that things like the deaths at the end didn't have quite the impact they should've.
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"You ever been to New York? There's a thousand goddamn churches in that city", exactly, a thousand churches, and they somehow end up in the same one, brock and peter must be conjointed twins seperated at birth.
And yes we did see brock follow peter to the bar, then brock splitted up. But come one, couldnt the writers do better than that? Have brock somehow tail spiderman to a church to redeem himself by grabbing some decent photos for JJ - a chance to get his job back?
"The whole point is that Pete was ready to kill the guy without knowing the whole story, he was willing to ignore what made him human, focusing exclusively on the biggest mistake of his life." Yeah sure, i can accept that, but having ben parker's death as an "accident" is really really lame.
"This movie was far, far better than most comic book movies, people are just desperately trying to justify their disappointment." I will agree, it is a "fun" movie in certain parts but overall as a movie it is just mediocore, it does not feel like a true continuation of the fantastic #2. But i need to agree with you that they did good by giving parker the humping moves on the street and the dance number in the jazz bar, it shows that hes cocky and he doesnt give a shit what people thinks, hes god damn motherfucking spiderman. But thats just one of the few things that they did well in this movie, the negatives far outweight the positives.
as far as the harry may or may not have been investigated thing, i was just speaking my mind. Maybe in the next movie they'll have flashes of a news article about how harry is a nut who used oscorp tech to fly around the city. But ill admit that was just a nitpicking, there are far bigger problems with this film than that. -
Maybe the symbiote heals spidey at a rapid rate. Maybe they should have shown the goo "healing" the suit whenever it gets slashed.
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I still think it makes perfect sense they ended up at the same church. Why is it so unbelievable that they both went to the nearest one?Yeah, I agree, it's a little lame to have Uncle Ben's death be an accident. I think that could have been better. But I don't think it's awful--it aided the theme, and it *doesn't* deny Pete's responsibility (because if he'd caught the crook, chances are good Ben would still be alive, it was the crook's return that spurred Ben's death). Allowing Pete to forgive Marko allows him to forgive himself, I like that. But it could have been better, the whole movie could have been better. But the people talking like this movie was worse than real horrors like Fantastic Four and X3 really annoys me.
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but the movies already has few too many coincidences preceeding that scene to make it feel decent. I was expecting far better, brock following spidey trying get good shots for example. I guess what im trying to say is that this movie felt really like a broadway play on speed where backdrops keep changing but all the actors are never really more than 10 yards away from each other, something that doesnt sit right with me.
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there are different meanings of the word forgive. If you simply mean "forgive" as in "give up resentment towards", he could forgive him. But if you mean "forgive" as in "pardon for an offense", you can't just pardon someone of an offense if they continue to offend. Sure, Spidey emotionally getting past Ben's murder would be great, but his ability to see Marko as a flawed, not evil, human being, despite his involvement in the greatest tragedy of Spidey's life, is just as important.
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they gave us 2 really good movies and a disappointment for the 3rd. but sticking to the theme of this movie i will "forgive" them in hopes they do better next time.
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Rotten Tomatoes ratings:Disturbia: 67%Spider Man 3: 62%BSB: 100% shits his pants.
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yes, Benard ther long lost butler with all the answers was revealed. Harry getting amnesia. etc etc etc etc It definitely jumped the shark.
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"I loved your father as I love you. Since you were a child and I used to diaper you..." Weird. Harry should have forgave Peter without the contrived "his wounds came from his sled" thing. Bleh.
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is horrible doing his job. harry wants him to pick up some food, he goes "for a guest? uh uh uh (mumbling) a guest's guest?".... heh i guess they couldnt come up with any better lines for him but they HAD to include more butler screentime so when he execute his deus ex machina near the end it feels like we've known the old man like our own granddads.
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"Pardoning" isn't just a moral thing. It's saying "okay, I no longer hold you accountable for this action." however, I would sa it's more or less impossible to pardon someone for being a murderer when they continue to murder. Oh, sure, you could say "okay, you're forgiven" until they do it again, but at no point do they stop being a murderer. And for someone who's so concerned about splitting hairs, you're taking the definition of "impossible" pretty f'in seriously. You've done nothing at all to dissuade my point: If Marko had killed Ben without repenting and continued being an intentional and unmitigated killer, it would have been ludicrous to see Peter "forgive" him. He could have accepted it, he could have given up on his vengeance, he could have shown mercy, but he couldn't, and this is fundamental to the story, said "this guy did something wrong, but he's not worthless, he's trying to be better, and that makes him okay." And he HAS to be able to do that, because he has to be able to forgive himself for the things he's done wrong.
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pardoning isn't just a *legal* thing.
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even Tobey MaGuire said in an interview with EXTRA! that it seemed like Brokeback Mountain cause of all the kissing between him & Harry.
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It was the entire movie.
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exterminate! exterminate!
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Given that the critics were having wet, sticky orgasms over the second, (which stank, of course...when you dumb down a SF/Fantasy/comic movie to a critic's IQ, it always stinks) the fact that they're all simultaneously moaning about how much they wanted to like this movie indicates it's an utter waste. Peter Parker's a whiny pussy anyway.
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...thank you, BSB.
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i liked the 1994 cartoon!
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.. you all have to remeber that this wasn't an Oscar hope to be nominated movie for best story. It was Spiderman. It wasn't perfect wee all admit to that, but from what Raimi had to do and include Venom when he didn't want him in there, I'm keeping my "thumbs up" and giving the film in general a good 8/10.We can go on about what was wrong with the way too many characters, but at least Raimi didn't go all "Superman Returns" on this film and rip out the very soul that makes Spidey a great character.The whole Peter dancing was basicaly to show us how the costume was reflecting on Pete's emotions and how he was being affected. It wasn't just to throw a dancing scene in there. I'm keeping to the "it could've ended up on the cutting room floor and I would've been happier" but it was still there. You gotta live with it.I admit that I was expecting more of this film. But with all the characters, I still like it.My beef with all of these Superhero movies is when they change them so much it basically becomes another character. Hulk - Gamma bomb replaced with Gamma rays in a lab and the fact that the monster was already living in him; Superman Returns - Spying on Lois, absolutely doing nothing at all as Clark for the whole 2 + hrs; X-Men 3 - everybody just dies for nothing. I mean come on, Raimi at least kept the spider bites, but made it more contemporary, and keeps Spidey's humor when he's fighting. I have to give him a thumbs up. There we're flaws, but not incredible mistakes. I can live with that and say I'll be buying the dvd.
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How can you *possibly* accuse *me* of playing semantics when you run to the dictionary to avoid my point? But if you want to play that, then the AHD's third definition of "impossible" is "3. Unacceptable; intolerable:". In which case, I would find it UNACCEPTABLE for Spidey to "excuse(Sandman) for a fault or offense" (AHD "forgive" 1) without Sandman first regretting his decision to kill Ben.
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I think you all mistook Peter saying "I forgive you" to Sandman for Ben's murder.WRONG!He forgave him for all the sand that ran up his crotch while fighting hi and gave him a sharp rash in that area.
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Just keep whining about my use of the word "impossible" instead of actually talking about the movie. It really makes your opinion on the film seem well-founded...
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i hope Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton dont see this movie!
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then the other two.... I've seen each only once (in the theater), and the other two irritated in a much larger percentage than this one. I almost feel like each movie has been a revision of the previous, with the second being devoid of passion, and the first missing a good villain or conflict or climax... but this third one seemed more solid and purposeful. I also hated the new Superman Returns and worship the solid mythical/emotional mood of the 1978 Superman which still stands in my mind as the best superhero movie. Robocop was a good one too.
Batman Begins was good until the villain starts to enact his masterplan, which felt very undeveloped and flimsy.
Back to Spiderman 3...
an ending with character apologies and crying seemed so.... fresh and startling compared to the boring established trends of the last 7 years.
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not adults, because the majority of the audience i was with were little kids and tweens.
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I told you what I meant. I meant it would be impossible to forgive Sandman without him asking for forgiveness. And by "forgive" I did NOT mean "give up resentment towards", because that would be possible. What would be IMpossible would be to change your opinion of him as a murderer, forgiving him for his actions. Now, you insisted I had to use YOUR definition of the word. That's fine, then I get to use MY definition of impossible. You're the one who brought in the fricking dictionary to debate a thematic element of a movie. Real slick. If you want to argue the semantics of the point rather than the point itself, I don't care, because all it does is prove you don't HAVE a refutation of the point itself. If you ever decide to get around to the film, explain to me how it would have been thematically superior for Sandman to have been an unrepentant killer when that would negate the parallel between Peter's mistake and Flint's mistake, thus eliminating Peter's growth in terms of his ability to forgive himself in the same way he forgave Flint. But, y'know, if you'd rather go read the dictionary and look for definitions of "discussion" that help you out, feel free.
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... because Spidey's black."
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haha. and he robs people too! hey its okay the guy who delievered this line is a black dude, you know, double standards.
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when Venom said that line it got alot of laughs in the theater!
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Because I thought his death was real tacky on the part of Raimi. He shortserved a character the fans wanted, even did a great job by him because--jeez--Topher Grace was creepy cool with those fangs and acid disposition (or I thought so), but then Raimi killed him so that he doesn't have to bring him back if he makes the fourth movie. I dare the producers to fire Raimi and get someone else to bring back Venom. I fear they'll get a Brett Rattner or a Tom Story, but I do think that Raimi fucked up. I'd dare him to bring back Brock and Venom if I thought he was capable, but I think he's found his limitations with the Spideyverse. I also thought the ending reconciliation with Sandman was ridiculously awkward after Sandman had just finished playing the role of Godzilla. All that stuff happens and then we get the silly "oh well actually I didn't mean for all this death, I just needed money for that daughter I had at the beginning of this movie." Nevermind that his involvement in the whole end of the movie was about revenge--not getting money anymore. Also I thought that Bernard's expalanation about Norman Osbourne was insane--Norman was stabbed by his own glider so it had to be suicide? That flawed logic was all it took to make Harry come around and help Peter again? All that and we never did get a reason for the quasi-supernatural way that Harry was seeing his father's Goblin self in the same mirror as Norman did. Harry even acted like he was possessed, but then the movie would have you believe he really did just have daddy issues. And then he got over them just like that. Why did Peter think he could even go to Harry for help at the end after blowing up his face? And why would Mary Jane not hate Harry more for forcing her to break Peter's heart for that lame "I'm stealing your girl" moment that went nowhere? Okay sure there was really no time for her to react to all that in the last act, but that's like one flaw too many in the central plot of the movie (and the Peter/MJ/Harry relationship definately was the heart of the movie). I'm not jazzed for things like I was at the end of Spider-Man 2. More I'm hoping they'll correct some mistakes like I was after X3. But then most of the are mistakes to things introduced in Spider-Man3, so it's not the big bad fuck up that X3 was. I'm sorry they didn't get at least one movie in where Harry Osbourne puts a bounty on Spider-Man's head and it attracts Kraven the Hunter. Too late for that now. Unless maybe if Brock as Venom faked his death at the end because he has a morphing ability and uses it to replace Harry Osbourne in the next movie. Wiat, Harry had a funeral. Fuck. Too late for the King Pin? We must still do the Gwen Stacy death with Venom now that Brock is her jilted ex-boy friend, he was just too delicious a villain, I cannot forgive tossing that aside. Did Peter and MJ even make up at the end of this movie? I couldn't tell, and I wasn't sure I wanted a reconciliation at the end of such an overstuffed finish. Dangit, I liked a lot of this movie--I think the first two had just as much soap opera and truthfully I think it was good soap opera, but I felt totally let down by the ending particularly since it realized such a great new villain--and I'm not even a Venom fan. I particularly liked Peter's Russian neighbors this time around, as out of place as they seemed. I loved the Bugle, and wish Betty would get more screen time. And as unimportant as Gwen and her father were, I liked them being here and would want more from the in the next movie. And Dr. Connors still has part of the symbiote--so that too could somehow bring back Venom! Not carnage, has to be Venom because it has to be Topher Grace again. I'm a believer, he was great like Alfred Molina's Dr. Octopus, and I just can't stand how that ended! I wish they'd done something with JJJ's astronaut son as a way to bring in the symbiote, as the meteor was silly, but they dropped the ball on that link too. Gaaah!! I see why the reviews are mixed, so much wasted potential, it's a shame this series wasn't like an HBO series with great production values so that all the stories could have had time to be developed properly. They could have made like three 13 episode seasons out of all three movies by now.
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where to find sandman, and more importantly, about how daughter? i dont think the symbiote knew, because it only knew what parker knew before he got rid of it.
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Good question, that scene could've been handled better. But, ultimately, Flint's escape wasn't a secret, Eddie could've done his research before looking for a partner. Poorly handled scene, but I don't think it killed the flick.
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that scene got alot of laughs in the theater!
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is that good?
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http://movies.yahoo.com/mvc/dfrv?mid=1808496334&s=rc_d&rvid=255-897809&i=0&spl=&ys=F32SVB1B8l8HYjWX6hJfqQ--
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i know there was Harry Potter, POTC: AWE, Surfs Up, and there is another one i cant remeber. it was about the 60's or something.
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Fucking glorious! Despite some of the flaws that been pointed out over and over again on AICN it is so far ahead of SM3 its insane. The dialogue is fucking shakespearian in comparison. The amazing part is the actors and director wanted to be there, you could tell, they actually took themselves seriously. Tomorrow I am going to watch the awesomeness that is SM2 and wash the taste SM3 out of mouth permanently.
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This movie stunk. Jeez, I didn't actually expect to hear booing and heckling.
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i too was confused about why they put that with SpiderMan. i even thought that we were in the wrong theater room. when i entered the room the Harry Potter trailer was already playing.
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I thought it was a Beatles biography at first then it got all psychedelic and Bollywood. As Slater would say, "You couldn't handle that on strong acid, man".
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to avoid having to watch this movie ever again....
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ok i saw the trailer again at imdb, and wtf. towards the end it got all freaky.
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Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character."
That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared.
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...but the one thing that really bugged me about the movie was... "Hi, I'm Eddie Brock, the new guy" and no one knew who he was when they mentioned him in the first movie.
They definitely should have saved Venom for the next movie. Gwen was an odd choice to add at this point. Maybe it should have been Felicia Hardy instead and set up for a Black Cat appearance? Emo Peter was ridiculous.
Aside from that, I really liked the movie, and my wife (who only knows Spidey from the movies) thought it was great. I think the "Return of the Jedi" comparison is fairly valid... and will say there are MUCH worse movies to be compared to. The "Batman and Robin" comparison is insulting. -
It was the funniest and most emotional one. It felt like pure Raimi. I really got into Sandman. Venom was freaky. The Harry plot line was my favorite in the series. My only complaints were that jazz club scene and those kids saying "wicked cool". Those parts were embarrassing.
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was pretty good.... but i didnt like the puppy dog yelping noises that he made.... he needs to be more snail like, heh but im glad they didnt TOTALLY kill him off... i dont think eddie brock is dead yet, if they bring back venom with a new director it may turn out to be excellent but if they go with carnage then there would be no hope in this world.
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they showed his skeleton bursting when SpiderMan threw one of the Goblin's bombs at the Symbiote.
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Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character."
That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared.
"Well, my brother and I had written in the story about another woman that recognized Peter and knew who he was at this dinner and that Mary Jane got jealous of her," Raimi said. "But Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Let's make it Gwen.' And I said, 'I don't think I should, because, ... really, Gwen was introduced before Mary Jane in the comic books, and now I'm introducing her later, and ... she's not even in high school anymore. She's in college. And I'm afraid if I introduce Gwen, the fans will have all these expectations, which we're not going to deliver in this picture.' And she said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'"
Raimi said he considered the suggestion. "After much soul-searching, I thought, 'Maybe it's true. I've already screwed up the order, and I've already started the Mary Jane [storyline] first,'" Raimi said. "'Whenever [Gwen's] introduced, she'll be introduced in the wrong order. I might as well give the fans the introduction to Gwen.' So I took her advice and named her Gwen Stacy and therefore connected her to a policeman who had been on the periphery of the scenes [and became her father, Capt. Stacy, played by James Cromwell]. Made a little stronger relationship between them but, not much, just enough to be true to the fact that she was his daughter. That's about all."
As he has discussed previously, Raimi added that it was Arad's idea to add the villain Venom to the mix. "Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough,'" Raimi said. "'You need to think about them. You've made two movies now with your favorite villains, and now you're about to make another one with your favorite villains. The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite. All Spider-Man readers love Venom, and even though you came from '70s Spider-Man, this is what the kids are thinking about. Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.' And so that's really where I realized, 'OK, maybe I don't have the whole Spider-Man universe in my head. I need to learn a little bit more about Spider-Man and maybe incorporate this villain to make some of the real die-hard fans of Spider-Man finally happy.'" Spider-Man 3 opens May 4. -
I just read that article. I fucking feel sick. Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin fucking ruined that movie. Sounds like Sam and Ivan had a great and tight movie planned. Good idea Avi, fuck with the genius that made Spiderman so great. Real fucking smart. I hope Avi and Laura get the VD! ARRGHH!
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im very passionate about this, or really drunk.
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but SM4 is rumored to have somebody who died in sm3 to return, i dont believe it could be harry. Probably brock. Hmm i didnt see brock's skeleton, i have to rewatch it again.
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its not too far fetch that the symbiote left in conner's lab could still be freed. maybe it'll find a way to regenerate eddie brock. you never know.
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Bunch of friggin cry babys, Wow how dare Sam Raimi make a film that does not live up to your expectations, I mean what was he thinking. It seems like everyone here jumps on the bandwagon and goes along with pretty much everything else. People are actually writing that the movie was unwatchable. Get real it had really great moments and some moments that did just not work does that mean that the entire thing sucks , NO . And if you dont agree then show Sam up and make a better movie , go ahead get off your asses , move out of your moms basement , stop wacking off to internet porn and work your asses off to make a better movie , you all seem to be the gods of cinema , so prove it
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...like you could see Brock's skeleton through his flesh, you didn't see his skeleton just fall to the ground like in Spidey-1. Then Spidey looks away, and when he looks back there's symbiote writhing on the floor.
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I know the symbiote could shape shift but the amount of damn times he revealed Eddie Brock's face to deliver lines was fucking ridiculous and distracting and just lame.
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Too many storylines. This film was a mess. It's too bad, I was looking forward to this one, but my fears proved true - too many baddies to write in - along with the ever-annoying Mary Jane drama. This film was a franchise-killer.
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you are the fucking worst kind of talk backer...the whole point of these sites and forums is for people to talk about films...whther they lioked them or not...I might order a pizza that tastes likes shit should I open my own fucking pizza joint too?? give it a break you fucking idiot...we are allowed opinions...mine is you're a cock.
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What happend did my post hit a little too close to home , FUCK YOU ASS ! , I have no problem with anyone having an opinion, but that is all that it is, I totally agree that this forum is used to discuss what did and did not work in films , I dont like whiny bitches who cry about how they were robbed of something , and yes if you were complaing about that pizza you bought as much as some of the people on this post were about the movie I would say get the Fuck over it and some constructive advice or get in your own damn kitchen and make it yourself
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I agree with Slappy Jones. You're a cock. Sam Raimi made alot of mistakes. Period. It's not like because you don't make movies you don't know how to spot what's wrong with them and what doesn't work. He crammed too much into 2 1/2 hours, plus he never liked Venom and it shows. But I suppose if seeing a lot of great moments strung together by a bunch of moments that don't work is your kind of movie, to each his own.
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...it's funny you attack the people in the same Talkback you're writing in. Idiot.
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Dude I am not saying the movie is perfect or even great , I just think it really deserves this kind of assault that it is getting by everyone here, It is still a far cry better then almost every other comic book movie out there
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theres a reason why its called a talkback, the movie fell way below expectations after the first 2, if poeple want to point out what was wrong and could be improved, then let them. dont worry, even though this thing will not have great legs, it will guarantee a sequel and you will still get your spidey swinging by an american flag.
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Ass I am not attacking everyone , alot of people have really good opinons that I agree with , its the other ones that are getting to dramatic with it , I think its funny that you guys have a problem with me having an opinion about people having an opinion, isnt that the same thing your complaining about me doing
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With Parker Stevenson as Arcade and Burt Reynolds as Kraven. Could be cool.
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Dude love the name by the way , This is actually the first time I am writing in to this forum , I did not know how testy the waters were. If I offended anyone I apologize for the offense
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Dude... learn to spell and punctuate. It's like reading the ramblings of a retarded three year old. Periods end sentences. There, I've started you on your way.
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you dont need to say sorry, blame the film makers for allowing such a lousy script to be put on the big screen.
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I did not know that our post were being graded Mr. Lucasblows. Did you take out your red pen for that. Seriously though I reread my original post and I admit I did come off somehwhat COCK like. Much apologies
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"I did not know that our post were being graded Mr. Lucasblows. Did you take out your red pen for that? Seriously though I reread my original post and I admit I did come off somewhat COCK like. Much apologies."
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"I did not know that our post were being graded, Mr. Lucasblows. Did you take out your red pen for that? Seriously though, I re-read my original post and I admit I did come off somewhat COCK-like. Much apologies.""Lucasblows, if you're gonna act like an ass and piss on people's punctuation, maybe you should move on from "periods end sentences" to the "commas and hyphens" section of your workbook. Seriously, dude, if you're gonna be a smartass, don't forget the "smart".
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From Sci-Fi Wire: "Spider-Man 3 writer/director Sam Raimi told SCI FI Wire that he thought about introducing the new villain Venom in this sequel and continuing the story in a possible fourth film, but ultimately decided the entire story should be told in one movie. "I thought it would be unfair to [the fans]," he said of breaking the storyline up. The consequence of that decision is that fans may have to wait a bit to see the full-fledged supervillain in all his glory in Spider-Man 3.
The Venom storyline is one of only three main stories in the third installment of the webslinger franchise. In it, Peter Parker becomes affected by an alien symbiote, which turns his suit black, before it is rejected and migrates to Peter's romantic and professional rival, Eddie Brock (Topher Grace), who then transforms into Venom.
"So the very nature of that story demands that you either do it [as] two [parts], if you want to spend more time with Venom, which I didn't think was fair to the audience, to the fans of Spider-Man," or that you do it all at once and introduce Venom fairly late, Raimi said in a news conference. "I thought about it, I really did. And I kept reading the fans' e-mails that [producer] Avi [Arad] would send me—'They'd better not just introduce him to tease us!' ... I felt that the fans didn't want that, from the thousands of e-mails that were sent me."
Raimi added: "Avi said, 'You're not giving me what I asked you.' ... He said, 'They want Venom. Just give them Venom already!' So I said 'OK.' But, obviously, through the very nature of it, he's only going to be in half an act or one act [at the end of the film]. I'll just make it as thorough and the best that I can [and] deliver Venom in the most complete way that I understand the fans might want him. That was my desire. I was led there." Spider-Man 3 opens May 4 in conventional theaters and in IMAX." I liked the movie, btw, but still, that kind of shit is always annoying to hear about. -
Why wasn't Bryce Dallas Howard not cast as MJ in the beginning? She seems to fit that part far better than Kirsten Dunst.
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And verb/noun agreement, too, can't believe I missed that. Lucky I don't give a damn about people's grammar on a talkback...
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Anyone who can say that they liked that stinking hunk of dookie with a straight face is a better actor than I am.
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back when we all thought Sandman was going to be the only villain, before we heard anything about the black suit/venom, nobody was really that upset. A couple of morons were shouting "I want Venom, boo hoo!" but for the most part, we trusted Raimi to make something good, and even without a bigger villain like Venom, we knew the movie would still involve Harry as the new Green Goblin in some way or another, so we had good reason to think it was gonna be awesome. Grrarrgghh.
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I was only attacking someone who was acting like an ass. As for your attack on me, you're right I should have caught those mistakes. But, lucky for me, it takes more than a guy who apparently lives in this talkback to offend me.
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May 06, 2007 12:21:03 AM CDT
One thing saved this film from being a total disaster.
by darthbinks1220
Tobey Travolta strutting down 5th, baby. You should be dancin' yeah! (tears welling) Brings back memories...... of Stallone's Stayin' Alive. :(
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Still, he was partially responsible for the perfection that is Raiders. Bow before king George! :)
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My name really refers mainly to Prequel and Special Edition George. Raiders is one of my favorite movies. But, I fear for the 4th Installment.
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...is boring. A Spiderman with Mary Jane at his side, etc.? The point of drama, especially melodrama (which is what comicbook-based movies are, and that's not an insult) is conflict. Take away Spiderman being in conflict with BEING a superbeing, and take away his conflict with living the life of a regular person, and you've got, well, DC. (At least the DC of decades ago.) Why would you want to remove the most basic of conflicts, which were with the character from the beginning? Why reduce Mary Jane to the lil' woman telling Spidey to be careful as he swings away to win the day (which he will, always, in these movies, after his origin-necessary failure to save the one person he wanted to save, Uncle Ben)?
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I don't care *why* you attacked him, I care *how* you attacked him. If you'd actually responded to what he'd said I wouldn't give a damn, but people who "respond" to people they disagree with by completely ignoring what they're saying and making pointless insults annoy me. As for "living in this talk back", if you don't have the capacity to work on a book, watch a DVD, comfort your sick fiance', and still poke your nose in to spend two-seconds pointing out the idiotic actions of people who can't have a civil discussion, that's fine, but I do, and I don't feel particularly ashamed of it.
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Copycat sold me
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seriously -- i don't get the sm3 backlash. the worst thing about sm2 -- sigh, i can already hear people bitchin' about this post-- was that sm3 couldn't and wouldn't be as good. no way, no how. sm2 raised the bar for all comic book films to a simply unattainable height. and don't give me any of the crap about batman begins raising it even further -- puh-lease. they are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GENRES. Batman is a normal human being. He's a detective. He's a genius. He's SERIOUS. On the other hand, Peter Parker is not a normal human being. He sticks to wallks. He has super-human strength. He has "spidey senses." He wears a MUCH, MUCH more colorful outfit than batman. Yeah, he's a genius, but in NO WAY is he serious, a la Batman. Spider-Man is a fun, hip, melodramatic, soap-operatic, insanely campy and insanely over-the-top character. He is a SPIDER-MAN. Not just a dude who started dressing like a spider to instill fear in the hearts of his enemies, but a REAL SPIDER-MAN -- super powers and all. And, dear talkbackers, I would love to hear why ghostrider, daredevil, elektra, the punisher (not the og one, which rocked), blade trinity, x3, spawn, hellboy any other pile of recent comic-book trash is better than spidey 3. now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to my world of warcraft tournament.
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"Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods"? .....Should be called "Indiana Jones and the Fountain of Lost Youth". lol
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and this movie was more of a spider-man movie than the last two combined. everyone that complained about the heart, slow-pace, and mushiness of sm2 should be enthralled with this film. ciao.
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Venom WAS cool as shit, as long as you don't miss him during a restroom break. :P
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Our AICN talkbacker names mutually admire the greatest character of the saga-- more jokes in a moment.......:P
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jarjar rocks, and he's an insanely better actor than samuel l. jackson. he truly was the sanjaya of the prequel triology, and, in retrospect, he was the only character with a personality.
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What would be his force power(s)?
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http://tinyurl.com/38cgvm
They are saying the next one will have Carnage and the Lizard.
Not sure how reliable this site is but they seem to be pretty sure.
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farting -- what else?
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and getting people to explain just why in the hell batman begins is so great? no, seriously -- i don't get it. it's a standard action flick. why so special? was it because nolan decided not to use a neon color scheme and nipples on the batsuit? gilbert godfried should have been the joker. or gary busey. WEAK!
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compared to Schumacher's "Batman Forever" & "Batman and Robin", it's Citizen Kane.
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Exhibit B: Producers Beefed Up Spidey 3
Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character."
That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared.
"Well, my brother and I had written in the story about another woman that recognized Peter and knew who he was at this dinner and that Mary Jane got jealous of her," Raimi said. "But Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Let's make it Gwen.' And I said, 'I don't think I should, because, ... really, Gwen was introduced before Mary Jane in the comic books, and now I'm introducing her later, and ... she's not even in high school anymore. She's in college. And I'm afraid if I introduce Gwen, the fans will have all these expectations, which we're not going to deliver in this picture.' And she said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'"
Raimi said he considered the suggestion. "After much soul-searching, I thought, 'Maybe it's true. I've already screwed up the order, and I've already started the Mary Jane [storyline] first,'" Raimi said. "'Whenever [Gwen's] introduced, she'll be introduced in the wrong order. I might as well give the fans the introduction to Gwen.' So I took her advice and named her Gwen Stacy and therefore connected her to a policeman who had been on the periphery of the scenes [and became her father, Capt. Stacy, played by James Cromwell]. Made a little stronger relationship between them but, not much, just enough to be true to the fact that she was his daughter. That's about all."
As he has discussed previously, Raimi added that it was Arad's idea to add the villain Venom to the mix. "Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough,'" Raimi said. "'You need to think about them. You've made two movies now with your favorite villains, and now you're about to make another one with your favorite villains. The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite. All Spider-Man readers love Venom, and even though you came from '70s Spider-Man, this is what the kids are thinking about. Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.' And so that's really where I realized, 'OK, maybe I don't have the whole Spider-Man universe in my head. I need to learn a little bit more about Spider-Man and maybe incorporate this villain to make some of the real die-hard fans of Spider-Man finally happy.'" -
I agree. And, compared to the majority of comic book films out there, sm3 is ALSO CITIZEN KANE -- it just ain't sm1 or sm2.
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blame him if you want, but people would have bitched and moaned if it was just spidey, harry, mj and sandman. in fact, i distinctly remember people complaining about how they didn't want another goblin re-hash in part 3, after harry discovered the goblin chamber in sm2. this is CLEARLY a no win, catch-22 type of situation. this movie was going to be ripped apart, regardless of the route it took.
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1. Bryce Dallas Howard sucks! Are you kidding me, some of you found her hot? Fugly bitch, who just looked good to you because Dundst is fucking hideous. And FUCK NEPOTISM!
2.Dance numbers in a superhero movie are bullshit. A few assholes love the "Raindrops" shit in Spidey 2, and Raimi ran with it. Reminded me of the awful Johnny Storm song "Flame On" from the FF animated show, but at least that shit is funny. Any of you assholes supporting the fucking dancing in this movie just get in line for Dancing with the Fucktards, right now!
3.Zb.brox is a serious jerkoff. Agreed with almost nothing you said and you were 100% wrong on all the people you beefed with.
4.X3, Daredevil, and almost all of Hulk were better than this pile of shit. And when did Spidey 2 become the litmus test for superhero sequels?? X2, that was the fucking best superhero sequel. Spidey 2 had MANY flaws. And Batman Begins blows all this Marvel shit away, for you haters. FF2 will be better than Spider-man 3. Ghost Rider was mediocre at best, but I'd sit through that 10 more times before I watched this turd again.
5. Butlers are fucking creepy. I loved your dad and I loved you? Make my bed, have my meals prepared and that's pretty much it for me. Batman and Alfred pressed this "relationship" almost to the breaking point. But at least Alfred was established as more than a butler.....field medic, mechanic, semi master of disguise, etc. Enter fucking Osborne butler, who has sat on his little nugget of info for how long now? And he is of course a forensic expert, because he can tell by dressing daddys wounds that they were caused by Normie himself?
6. Pirates 3 should OWN this movie. Don't just post here, tell everyone you know that Spider-man 3 SUCKED. I know I will. And in the event that Pirates 3 sucks, well, up yours, cause it can't be as bad as the shit I sat through tonight.
7.This is gonna be a fun talkback for a few weeks at least. I almost want to see this piece of shite again with a notepad to jot down all the laughable nonsense. If I do, bet your ass I'm buying a ticket for another fucking movie. No way they get anymore money out of me to add to the totals. I hope Pirates 3 kicks its ass this summer. Fuck, I hope a re-release of Ishtar kicks it ass. This movie SUCKED. If you think otherwise, you're an idiot.
I am extremely tired, drunk and angry at this film at the moment, so I do reserve the right to waffle on some of these points, and possibly contradict myself when I bring up new points. but, hey ain't that why we waste our time at this place? -
...who clamored for Venom. Maybe blame the fans for whom Sandman just wasn't enough, because Venom or no, Raimi was going to use Sandman as the main villain. Be careful what you wish for I guess? I personally despise anything that idiot McFarlane came up with and always preferred the original rogues gallery, so don't blame me...
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ok so i went to see spider man 3 at midnight, all hyped up with my comic book store. *special screening on a screen bigger than imax* i will admit this movie was eh. thats just it eh. it was okay, but eh. action scenes were great, acting was good, venom and sandman were terrific, but i wanted more!!!! Raimi, what the hell? I really dont think Venom is dead personally. There's still some of it at Dr. Conners lab. And i'm pissed that Raimi 'killed' Venom. If youre doing a spider man film, aren't you supposed to take an interest in the characters? Venom was shut off to the side. hopefully he'll be back in 4, with a different director.
another thing that was wrong with this film, the whole movie was compact and didn't have room to breathe. too much stuff going on at once, like x3 *i enjoyed that film* raimi should have made the film 3 hours long, busted a Return of the King on us and add more character development. i know he wanted to go out with a bang, but this was just a loud fart. ill get this on dvd cause i enjoyed seeing venom in the film, i finally got what i wanted but i wanted more. but ya, the whole Emo spidey was completely unnessassary, it was just plain dumb, though i will admit i laughed my ass off when peter was trying to get pussy. so there were some great parts and bad parts but it should have been better. this is in no way a bad film, but it should have been an awesome one. peter jackson, put Halo aside and come direct Spidey 4.
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"Ghost Rider was mediocre at best, but I'd sit through that 10 more times before I watched this turd again."
Clearly, you are deaf and blind.
"Pirates 3 should OWN this movie"
What the hell does pirates 3 have to do with this film? they are completely different genres.
"And in the event that Pirates 3 sucks, well, up yours, cause it can't be as bad as the shit I sat through tonight."
Oh, really? Well, if Pirates 2 is any indication, it will be as bad -- if not, worse. 30 minutes of pirates falling down a cliff in a wooden orb. 20 minutes of elizabeth crying in the rain. 2 houurs of jack and that other dude no one cares about running around some circle thing playing with their swords. what in the sam hell was that garbage? dude, pirates 2 sucked. it just came out in an abysmal movie summer -- much like the first one did. let's see how it fares against spidey 3, transformers, shrek 3 (which -- let's face it -- WILL bank the most money) and potter 5.
"Fuck, I hope a re-release of Ishtar kicks it ass."
Agreed. That would be the bomb-diggity doo!
"X3, Daredevil, and almost all of Hulk were better than this pile of shit. "
Dude, you should have thrown in Freddy Got Fingered, for good measure.
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I think Todd was GENIUS for about 10 years there. Longer than Liefeld, for sure. Venom was an AWESOME creation and was fucking great to read a Spider-man comic fan. His "SPAWN" (tee fucking hee), Carnage was almost as much fun. It was when Venom and Brock became an "anti-hero" that he became a joke. Almost as funny as me ordering fucking gold pressed copies of Venom #1 and all the other Venom shit Marvel hooked me into. But as far as Todd goes, Spawn was awesome for awhile, is that shit even published anymore? I think of Todd today, I think of cool "action figures" and someone who payed WAY too much for a worthless, juiced up baseball. And fuck Barry Bonds and his bullshit Home Run chase by the way. But back to McFarlane, what does he do these days?
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"peter jackson, put Halo aside and come direct Spidey 4."
For the love of god and everything that is pure and sacred -- NO. Peter jackson made one good, loooooooong movie about some elves and hobbit things. other than that, he has made absolute crap, with Kong Kong taking its place as the proverbial corn within. -
I will, of course, forego the fact that you chose a name after the worst clusterfuck of a character in movie history. Maybe that was your point, not really the point. You make valid points about Pirates, I am a comic book fan, so I probably approach a spider-man movie with more baggage than the pirates movie. Pirates 3 has to do with what movie will own the summer box office this year, period. Forget the genre. and you may be right about shrek 3 killin them both, I've been playing a box office game for years now, and it still surprises me the shit that hits big. (Wild Hogs, Norbit, etc.)
Transformers, IMO, is the mystery of the summer. It can hit HUGE, or just tank. I can't wait to see what happens with that one. Harry Potter, sure i'll see it, but as a 30 something who likes the books, the shit they are cutting is starting to annoy me more with each movie. But the kids drive that box office. I'm rooting for die hard 4, though Ithink thats a dead horse, i'm thinking Pixar might have its first turd on its hands. Otherwise, fuck Surfs Up, (yeah penguins, we get it), no way Evan Almighty turns a profit, and I hope Oceans 13 exceeds expectations. -
Correction: Venom was co-created by Todd McFarlane with writer David Michelenie. I know McFarlane was a fan favorite, but I thought he was overrated. He masked his sub-par smurfish cartoony penciling skills with over-the-top inking and his writing sucked. Yes, I think McFarlane's legacy to mankind is paying 100 billion dollars for a phony McGwire ball. And who cares what McFarlane's doing now (in a kayak in SF bay waiting for the Bonds ball?), as long as he stays away from comic books.
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Huge LOTR film fan, thought it was fantastic start to finish. As far as him making absolute crap other than that, you may be right. I do have an unreasonable fondness for the Frighteners though.
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OK, i dig the pirates films. Granted, the last one was lame, but johnny can make even the crappiest of films watchable. I am, however, sick of all the "pirates 3 will crush this film" bs. I'm calling it now: pirates 3 will get lost in the mix this summer. the first two films cam out in summers that were completely devoid of any film worth watching. yes, pirates1 came out the same summer as x2 and matrix reloaded...2 months after those films were released. other than that, did anything else come out that horrendous summer of '03? no. And, last year, did anything come out at all? Superman Returns was a dud, and that was the only film that stood a chance of rivaling pirates 2. did you guys honestly think that Stick It and Little Miss Sunshine were going to give pirates 2 any competition? right. Everything's about timing in Hollywood. Spidey 3 has 2 full weeks to bank before Shrek 3 comes out. Then, pirates 3 comes out week later, and, then, EVVVEERYTHING comes out after that. die hard 4, rush hour 3, potter 5, simpsons, oceans 44 2/3, bourne, ff2 -- you name it, it's coming out. Pirates' chances of mopping up on an otherwise crappy summer are SLIM TO NONE this year, simply because this summer won't be crappy (at least not on paper).
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Please, don't bother calling me out like that unless you actually have something to say.
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"I'm rooting for die hard 4, though Ithink thats a dead horse"
I'm hearing it has a PG-13 rating, which, in fact = DEAD HORSE. Believe me, man -- I wanted that one to rock.
And about Transformer. There is NO movie I'm rooting harder for than that one. But, Spielberg is heavily involved with it, so it should turn out awesome. Rip on the big spiel all you want -- he's my all-time fav director, just so you know -- but transformers is the type of '80s thing he'd totally pimp out. So far, it looks REEEEDONK. Can't wait.
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Calling you out? We meeting in a fight club, in the ocatagon? I just spent 6 hours almost thinking and reading opinions on a movie that sucked ass. 2 things came through, the movie sucked, and so do your opinions. THATS what I have to say. Get Bent.
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You're not saying anything. "Your opinions suck." Well, gee, okay. You're opinions suck back. Boy, glad we got that accomplished. I feel enlightened by this discussion, I'm glad that your six hours reading this talkback brought you to this productive place. Jeeze. If you're gonna bother mentioning my name, I'd damn well hope you're going to say something I can give a crap about. This was disappointing.
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As hardcore comic book fan, you didn't like it. That's perfectly understandable and I respect that. But, OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING, the general public will love this film -- yes? Especially 'lil tykes. They were eating it up when I saw it.
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Did you like spider-man 3? If so, why? Please discuss in 500 words or less, 12-point font, 1-inch margins.
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Did I expect Spidey to be Casablanca? No. But I do have certain expectations about comic book movies. Like, I didn't expect Batmans "secret' identity to be revealed to (at least) 4 people in Batman Forever. And I had problems with the Spiderman 2 scene where 30 people on the train saw him without his mask. it's a secret fucking identity, wise up film makers.
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His mask fell off during the battle. Do you honestly think any of those people knew who the hell he was? It's the NYC, baby. Millions of people, and peter is an absolute nobody. However, if Bruce Wayne lost his mask, obviously he'd be very recognizable.
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is why batman forever sucked. never should neon pink be a color pallet in a batman film.
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I liked it. I thought its major flaw was in putting so many plot threads together that none achieved the emotional momentum that was built in Spider-Man 2. My reaction was similar to my reaction to X2, which had some dazzling highs in the first half, but became rather boring after Magneto's escape. In this case, there were some brilliant highs--the birth of Sandman, for example, which was a fantastic sequence all on its own, even entirely out of context. I also thought the dance sequence was a brilliant move on Raimi's part. It was the kind of scene that would only work in a Raimi Spider-Man movie--slightly surreal, but in some ways extraordinarily emotionally authentic; hilarious, but at the same time serving a definitive structural purpose in the film. It took guts, and it worked, and I was very happy to see a *different* way of portraying a character falling to the dark side. If we'd seen another rehash of the old "hero suffers and falls to the dark side, becoming a whiny but sexy badass in the process". The emphasis on how becoming a jerk made Peter far LESS appealing was refreshing. The Harry/Peter/MaryJane arc concluded plot threads that were among my favorites in the previous two films, and pretty satisfactorily. Further, I felt like they nailed the thematic elements they were reaching for. Superhero stories, classically, are morality plays on one level or another. This one did a great job of showing how revenge leads you to disregard what makes other people human, blinds you to their good qualities, and keeps you from accepting your own failures. I was also impressed by how well the various plot threads all wove around the theme—Sandman providing a motive for Pete’s vengeance, the suit acting as a catalyst for his aggression, Harry and Peter and MaryJane’s shared crimes that they have to look past to survive, Eddie’s obsession with revenge turning him into a monster—they all manage to wrap neatly around the movie’s message. The movie also introduced some likable minor characters—Gwen Stacy, who was more or less perfect in the small role she was given, and Eddie Brock who provided a wit that the movies have lacked up to this point—as well as giving you ever more entertaining scenes with the supporting cast at the Bugle. The movie clearly had flaws. Some scenes fell slightly flat, and at times it was hard to distinguish intentional comedy from cheese (Spidey landing in front of the flag? Intentionally over the top, or just over the top? Hard to tell, funny either way). Overall, as I said, the impact of what should have been moving and exciting scenes toward the end was dulled by the overabundance of different threads. The whole was less than the sum of its parts, and it fell below the level of the previous, more tightly focused, films. And that puts me to more or less 500 words.
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I thought it was Avi Arads fault but apparantly from what I was told Raimi had almost complete freedom and could basically do whatever he wanted without anyone telling him no.
My friend had some interesting things to say.
"The original story was suppose to have THE VULTURE as the only villian."
"Then he got a crazy idea of bringing Sandman in but that would mean crazy sand effects that would take forever so The Vulture got trashed."
"Raimi then realized Sandman wasnt a bad ass enough bad guy thats when he brought in Venom."
(apparantly the venom cgi costume was trashed twice before putting it back).
"The script was never officially done and he kept changing major plot lines throughout the production process."
"Nobody thought the bar dancing sequence was going to make it into the final cut."
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Hate them both if you will, but stop with the "it's not as bad as x3" shit. spiderman 3 fucking failed on every level. fuck this shit.
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Why do you think X3 was better than Spidey 3?
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just kidding about the 500-word essay. either way, i dug the analysis and agreed with a lot of it.
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But responding to that question was a lot more interesting than reading more "OMFG, this movie sucked and anyone who liked it sucked!" posts. Glad you dug it.
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Did you see How to Eat Fried Works? If so, did you like it?
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where as sm3 had the same fucking team and they ruined it. I'm sorry, but X3 wins. I'm too tired to go over it though.
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and with that off to bed. to dream of smackin zb.brox in the mouth. or probably not. pretty much definitely not.
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I pretty much agree with Mori on this one: fun movie, with great SFX eye-candy and INCREDIBLE action scenes, but the plot and the characters are pretty weak. Still, it works despite its flaws and the crowd I saw it with seemed to like it a lot, too. (Probably one of the more somber and downbeat endings I've seen of any major film series, especially for a final act in a trilogy; that took a lot of guts, I'm sure.) Still, I had a fun time, and really, the IMAX presentation is SO SWEET! (Definitely see it in IMAX, it's worth it, trust me!) Go see it, just keep your expectations low and remember, it's just a comic-book movie...Peace!
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Spiderman movies are just ok. That´s not bad.
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We are currently in the process of creating Spiderman 3.1, which despite the general aceness of the original wll most definitely be an improvement. Until the project is complete here are some exclusive behind-the-scenes making of vids. Raimi needed $300 million. We needed a tenner and a few beers. 'Nuff said.
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Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl2gI937mxU
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The movie was 2 hours and 20 minutes, but over an hour was bullshit scenes. Do we need to see Tobey, dancing, buy a suit, and doing some gay stuff hoping to atrract girls? Thier is no plot, just a bunch of ideas turned into a movie. At the end of the movie, i couldnt wait for it to end. Who cares about the FX, when you dont feel hooked to the story. People were making fun of some of the scenes in the movie theater.
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was the only highlight of the movie. very funny as was Bruce campbell's french waiter. otherwise a dreadful. I feel a sobbing session coming on....
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...it'll still suck.*logs out*
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It seems like that's all they are putting out these days with the exception of anything Christian Bale is in.
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Go see Hot Fuzz. Best movie of the year to date.
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They got new york in the 30's perfect. However Jackson and co's scandalous decision to overhaul the screenplay, re-casting of Driscoll as playwright, Black's nastified version of cal dehham and bizarre introduction of unwanted character Jimmy the cabin boy a part written for Jamie Bell by Fran Walsh and Phillipa Boyens and jackson himself they co-adopted him as there son for the movie ruined the entire thing. Otherwise the movie was giant remake of conan doyles the lost world(from 1922)nothing else technically kong was very good. The script and story let the movie. The original is still the best. The ending is groundbreaking. oh and the running time.
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I totally agree with you on that one. Hot Fuzz kicked so much ass it was ridiculous!
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Spider-Man 3 is a maddeningly awful movie on par with Batman & Robin. I've read some of the comments and believe me, I wanted to love this movie. In the end, after every excuse and every false praise, this is what it ultimately boils down to:
GOOD NEWS:
- Gwen Stacy (Bryce Dallas Howard) is gorgeous in this. We're talking Mecca of film hotness here. I felt like a deer starring down the mothership.
- The final image of Eddie Brock Jr. (Topher Grace) in this film is one of the most spectacular visual effects shots I've seen in a while. You're going to want to replay it for the fine details.
- Venom = Not So Bad. The smile is there and the final alien rendition of him felt epic.
- James Franco, Thomas Hayden Church, and Topher Grace all get a pass on this for turning in good performances.
THE BAD NEWS:
- This movie lacks all of the grace of its predecessors. It is that total absence of grace that damns Spider-Man 3.
- The script isn't as bad as people say, but they could've gotten more out of the story. Good ideas were sparse. Only an automaton would defend this film. The first two films were great, but this is a disgrace.
- Phantom Rock = Venom's meteor. This was the beginning of the end and it happened within the first ten minutes of the film. What was the point of the boyfriend-spaceman in Spider-Man 2 if not to bring Venom to earth the same way it had been done in the comic? Defend the coincidence as much as you like, but this was criminally disgraceful given the cleverness of past films.
- Mary Jane, WTF?! The love story is completely bogus. Moriarty is right: the characters serve the plot in this rather than the other way around. There's no way you can watch this film if you have any love for the others and not feel the difference. It's worse. Much worse.
- This film is so predominantly bad that anyone with a brain will be forced to wonder if it was all on purpose. You really can't help it.
- Peter, you're fat. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Tobey Maguire fan, but he got chubbed out for this film. Those close-ups on his extra neck and cheeks are impossible to ignore.
- The emo-Peter made my brain vomit. That was the point of no return for me.
- What was the point of Gwen's character if not to have her as the damsel in distress at the end of the film. HUGE waste of a surprising and fulfilling dramatic turn.
- I haven't checked the crew out for this film yet, but it looked like Spider-Man 3 was trying to replicate the style of previous films, but it failed miserably.
- I cannot overemphasize how awful that Jazz cafe is. That is my hell.
- This film was edited with a butcher knife. I have a headache just thinking about how to express my disappoint in this aspect of the film. Editing can make or break a film. In this case, it left the film at the bottom of a friggin' spittoon => tarnished.
- Death scenes in artificial sunsets hurt a deep human core of my heart. At least "Vanilla Sky" used the computer-gen sky to talk about authenticity and illusion.
- How angry was I after seeing this? Well- it's a day later and I honestly thought I could squeek in this bad joke: "Spider-Man 3 raped my soul and ate my heart last night".
- I really want to keep on telling you about how horrible this film is. At least END OF DAYS was laughably bad and laughably good. Spidey-3 is weak fanboy drivel.
- All that I can some up at this point is the long stare at the fireman in the crowd cheering on Spidey; "Yeeeaaaaaahhhhhhh"....
- ... and the kid who says "Rad"...
- ... and the other kid who says "Super cool".
- Spider-Man 3 is slow pain.
I have to say it again.
- SPIDER-MAN 3 IS SLOW PAIN. I joined aintitcool.com just to warn you. Do not waste your money on this. I know it's hard to believe, but you just need to know that it's that bad. THIS FILM IS SO BAD THAT YOU'LL FEEL GUILTY FOR NOT WARNING PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
- I love Spider-Man. It can be saved, but this film broke my heart and tortured my soul.
Ha ha. No, the film is not funny. Not even funny bad. NO FUN.
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Saw this last night, and while it has its flaws, it wasn't nearly the train wreck that everyone claims it is. The scene in that jazz bar was fucking hilarious. It was grade A quality camp, and I don't know if anyone realizes this but Spiderman has always had an element of camp in it (this is the director of Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness after all). No, it's not as good as 2 but it's definitely in contention with the first. The film takes more risks than most blockbusters and the great moments feel like timeless cinema (the wonderful first appearance of Sandman and, yes, the jazz bar scene (Raimi's films have always been one part cartoon)). I could go over the flaws (the forgiveness at the end was a little too easy, villian fatigue, and what the hell was up with that damn butler?), but it's triumphs far outweighted its failures. This is a good start to the summer.
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I totally feel your pain on that one man. It is unimaginably bad. If someone would havew posted that same rant 2 weeks ago I would have fucking laughed hysterically and not believed a single word. I think most of the geek community is in shock right now.
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There were so many poorly edited scenes mixed with horrible dialogue combined with heavy-handed and ridiculous writing carried out with bored acting and cut together by a chainsaw...I think they might show this film as a what not to do in freshman film classes. People keep saying it is a comic book movie, like that excuses piss poor filmmaking. I fucking love Sam Raimi. Love his films...I am betting there is ALOT of backstory to this one. It felt like some studio hack took over production after raimi submitted his draft and mocked his style of filmmaking.
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...it's that it's Spider-Man 3. Convenient coincidences, corny dialog, and heavy-handed messaging have been a part of this series from Day 1. They don't break the reality of the universe, and they're entertaining. This movie's problems largely stem from trying to fit 240 minutes of story into 140 minutes of film, and that puts a bit of a drain on everything, but I can't fathom why someone finds it unacceptable that a meteor with a symbiote happens to land near Peter, but it was okay that he and his best friend's dad managed to both separately acquire superpowers in the same week, or that Doc Ock just happens to make his first appearance at the same bank Pete and May have gone to (in the middle of the city, even though May lives in Queens), and then happens to take May out of the crowd to be a hostage. Again, I submit that this meteor coincidence and similar complaints are only being bandied about because people were disappointed with the film as a whole--they're not reasons the movie was bad, only things that irked people who were already let down by the film.
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Thanks for the response. I'm out of here for the day, but I appreciate your take. You know there's a backstory when a film like this is that butchered. I know comics. I have a degree in sequential art. If you have any appreciation of the medium you won't give this film a pass for being "camp". I love the camp aspects of the film, but the overall artistry and grace of this franchise is gone. I wish I had never seen Spider-Man 3.
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I never claimed that just because it was a comic book movie some of the poor choices should be defended (although you could be directing that comment at others). I said there's always been an element of camp in Spiderman. It was handled the most deftly in Spiderman 2 and the worst in Spiderman 1. Although there's some legitimate criticism in this talkback, the one thing I am absolutely shocked about is how people don't realize the whole "emo Peter" stuff was supposed to be laughed at. These scenes were played for humour and the reaction of the women on the street should mirror our own. The audience is supposed to be laughing at how ridiculous Peter looks. In the jazz bar, when Peter shows up at the piano, it felt like a Tex Avery cartoon (and did it a lot better than The Mask because it was actually funny and because Peter is one-part but of the joke). It's moments like this, moments you won't find in just anyone's summer blockbuster, that really sold the movie for me. Like I said, the film has its flaws (most of them a couple awkward scenes and the villian fatigue that results in necessary coincidences and the bad editing you're talking about).
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I admit that the coincidences of past Spider-Man 1 & 2 didn't bug me at all. Those films had charm and I didn't care. This film's chronology is totally cracked out. When so much is heft onto the script, you need a linear path. The constant flipping between the characters had zero grounding in temporal reality and YES- IT DROVE ME FUCKIN' INSANE!!!! Vehement disgrace.
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the most annoying "shortcut" in criticizing a film is using the word "emo." What the hell does emo even mean? Originally I thought it was supposed to mean emotional music, but all music is emotional, even something like hardcore punk or heavy metal. I'm going to come out and say it, the most emo film this year was 300. What's the deal with Leonidas having a wife? That's an emotional attachment, that wimp should have been playing the field. Oh, and the captain who's son is killed, what a pussy. He almost cries and everything. He should have hacked off his son's arms and used them as weapons. And at the end when it turns out the whole thing is a story to rile up the Spartans, wtf!? Storytelling is like art and stuff. Sooooo emo. The only thing I learned from that film was that the Spartans were complete pantywaists. Anyway, the only thing worse than people using the word emo are the people trying to dress emo, which Raimi did a good job of making fun of.
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Sorry about responding to several different posts at once. It feels good to get all of that out of me. I thought the emo-Peter was really funny and I really did love that camp aspect of the film, but the truth is that it left so much on the table that you had to wonder what the point was. Bryce Dallas Howard really should have been that damsel in distress. Can you imagine what that would've done to Peter's character if she had died the way she does in the comic?
In the end, I guess I just missed the artistry and the grace of the previous films. As an illustrator and appreciator of sequential, I loved the fact that earlier Spider-Man films could be appreciated for their artistry. It made the comic narrative more universal. This film did the exact opposite for me and I can't help but think that it will hurt comics as well. We might be content with another big budget comic adaptation, but I grew up in Europe where comics are appreciated as an art form. I just couldn't laugh at the pointlessness of Spider-Man 3. No doubt, there's a killer Director's Cut coming. I just needed to warn somebody and prepare them for the worst of the 3. -
Intentional, naturally =) hell, i was thinking about spelling life "lyfe," but that's just not senior binks' style. at any rate, spidey 3 was awesome.
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don't the gungans actually pronounce it "csza csza"?
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All the complaints for this film could have been leveled at the first two as well. And I've noticed that most of these complaints are being made by people who disliked the first two on some level, as if walking into this one was going to be any different (???). The only gripe I had with it was as you said, too much packed into too little time. I wish Venom was never in there because Sandman was a lot more interesting and cooler even with the changes made to his character. Oh and rbatty024, "emo" is a term for shitty, watered down goth bands. What hell hath Robert Smith spawned?
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And, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the audience you saw it with (presumably made up of common film-going folk...if you didn't see the midnight showing) eating it up like candy? I thought spidey one was insanely corny, cheesy and absurd -- and I loved it. As did audiences around the country. There's just something about the character, and there's just something about Peter Parker that draws people in.
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thank you for restoring my faith. I though only myself and the audience I saw this movie with enjoyed Spiderman 3. Good to see there are defenders of blockbuster films that actually care about the characters and films that put something on screen that's absolutely unexpected and original.
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I give you a perfect set-up...even acknowledging that that's what I'm doing...and what do you come up with?suck horse cockMy little eleven year old nephew could come up with something better than that!!! (albeit he would probably say something that involved boogers)... You want everybody to think your intellectual using big words like "democide" and playing at numerology, but at least you made the small children LOL and ROFL... You better come back on Monday just lovin' Spidey 3 'causse it was made just for you... cheap, lazy, and pathetic. Told with no sense of style or wit. Go make fart noises, type in all-caps, and pat yourself on the back about how you "pwnd" me... You own nothing... least of all me. You don't even own a horsecock... but there's another part of the equine anatomy that you don't merely own, but actually are.which explains why you're full of what you are...oh yeah thanks for teaching everybody how to insert their p
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why are they repeated in almost every review, including those of professional critics who likely didn't have time to read over the AICN talking points before they wrote their reviews?
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150-160 million something or other. this is just like pirates 2. wishy-washy, mediocre reviews and an absolute killing at the box office. and it'll bank next weekend, too. nothing's coming out that'll knock it off its high horse. may 18, however, changes everything. enter: the shrek factor (which will affect pirates, too).
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...it's actually not that bad of a movie, it's just not what should have been attempted. (SPOILERS AHEAD) Sandman is a fine villain, Venom is a fine villain, and Harry is a fine villain. They should have simply stuck to two villains. Harry and Venom would have been the perfect balance, both out for revenge, but Harry pulls back and recovers his humanity. Also, (SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS) for those who say Venom was killed needlessly, I remind the court of two very significant facts: 1) No body. 2) The piece of the symbiote left behind at the University. Both Venom and, in fact, Carnage can appear in the next film (albeit a non-Raimi film, but we can't have everything we want). Now, THAT would be a sweet movie. Especially if you turn Venom from bad guy to good guy, and leave the door open for Topher Grace to take over as Spider-Man, should Tobey Maguire leave the series. 'Nuff said.
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The one thing that we thought would totally kick ass in this film (Venom) was the one thing that should have been left out. Seriously, most of the coincidences that the script is plagued with are the result of forcing Venom into the storyline. Sure he looked pretty kick ass, but he was a purely visual character, with little substance. The film should have at least ended with the symbiote crawling out of the rubble caused by the explosion that killed Eddie Brock.
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Wow. That's a chunk of change. But watch out for this 2nd weekend, with no major competition. If the reactions to the flick here mirror how the general public reacts now that the opening weekend is over, this thing is on track to top "X3" and "Hulk" for how fast a hyped comic book flick can sink like a rock. Damn shame.
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"why are they repeated in almost every review, including those of professional critics who likely didn't have time to read over the AICN talking points before they wrote their reviews?"
Because, like you, they are film geeks. They analyze movies to a fault -- which is perfectly fine --- and they don't look at them with the same eye the general public does. I'm like this, too. But, I admit, I dig Raimi's Spidey films SO much that I'm willing to overlooks any of the pitfalls sm3 had. However, the general public won't see any pitfalls at all. They'll love it. They loved the first two, and they'll love this one, too. The negative reviews didn't impact the opening box office, and word of mouth from the majority of the film-going public WILL be good. Most people just want to be entertained -- and this movie WAS entertaining. It might have been a clusterfuck, and it might have been poorly paced, and it might not have been as good as sm1 and sm2 -- but it was ENTERTAINING. Think outside the box, dude. The majority of the planet is NOT comprised of film geeks. How do you think films like Madagascar and Click bank so much money? -
"If the reactions to the flick here mirror how the general public reacts now that the opening weekend is over, this thing is on track to top "X3" and "Hulk" for how fast a hyped comic book flick can sink like a rock. Damn shame."
That, simply put, will not happen. The general public isn't reacting like we are -- they aren't film geeks. SM3, despite what you guys want to think, won't be considered a wretched piece of crap by the general public. It was NOT sm1 or sm2, but it sure as hell wasn't ff or hulk or x3. Besides, neither of those franchises are as popular as spidey. spidey is an american icon. in fact, he's arguably a bigger icon than superman at this point. Remember when spidey 1 came out? It had no precedent. It was the first movies in the series. No one had anything invested in it -- and it banked. Opening weekend was like a religious revival. People absolutely, unflinchingly, undylingly, love spider-man. The review for this movie could have said "if you see spider-man 3, your eyes will literally fall out of their sockets ... literally...for real" and people still would have gone again and again and again. No comic book property is as mainstream as spidey. This is going to make mega bucks, regardless of how bad (or good) you think it is. Speaking of which, what did you think of the movie? =) -
It's not bad, you're right. it's just incredibly disappointing. Venom should have been post-Raimi. this film should have been without the unnecessary addition of Gwen and without Venom (thanks to Avi Arad for pushing that on Raimi). why they couldn't trust Raimi with completing the trilogy his way, I'll never understand.
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people would have bitched about no Venom, but we might have had another movie up to par of SM2. are people really satisfied with Raimi's Venom? if he didn't like the character, and Avi knew that, he never should have pressed him so hard to put the character in the film.
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I've been hearing a lot about folks booing the end credits and walking out shaking their heads. And it seems a lot of folks here weren't just disappointed, but seriously pissed off! Seems to me they'll be a lot of trash-talk this week about what a letdown it was. I posted my thoughts about forty down in the order on this talkback, if you'd like my impressions. I'm not a comic book geek, so it doesn't hit me as personally. But I am a huge Godzilla fan, so I know how it feels when a movie you've been stoked for for so long turns out to be more heartbreaking than getting Keira Knightley to go home with you only to discover the "beanpole" is actually in her pants! Yeesh.
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honestly, im glad raimi did it. otherwise, it would have been some hack director doing it and it would have looked HORRIBLE, and it would have been executed HORRIBLY. He looked cool -- admit it. I'm glad raimi ended up putting his hands on it before they gave it to some low-rate director like tim story or the dude who directed ghost ride. shiver.
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honestly, im glad raimi did it. otherwise, it would have been some hack director doing it and it would have looked HORRIBLE, and it would have been executed HORRIBLY. He looked cool -- admit it. I'm glad raimi ended up putting his hands on it before they gave it to some low-rate director like tim story or the dude who directed ghost rider. shiver.
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...looks absolutely BEAUTIFUL...and makes you realize just how AWESOME it would be if Warner Bros. hired him to direct "JUSTICE LEAGUE" (which SHOULD include both Superman and Batman). And as far as I'm concerned, Jackson can utilize the current actors for both Clark Kent/Superman and Bruce Wayne/Batman, while still freeing Jackson to visually interpret the characters how he desires (without reflection on/from those individual franchises). His vision would surely prove to be more satisfying from an artistic perspective, with brighter colors for Superman and a Batman cape that begs to be seen on the silver screen, ...utilizing shadows and silhouettes, ...developing costume design to near perfection. And you KNOW that, ...at least in visual terms, he would NAIL it like nobody else. Go ahead and knock his KING KONG all you want. Though I agree that there are certain elements of KONG that could be altered or even removed, perhaps making it more favorable to my taste and most audiences, ...you would admit, if you take the time (to observe Jackson's KONG from that visual perspective, trained/professional artist or not), you will SEE that it reveals Jackson to have a gifted eye for the camera that is nearly without equal, today. Sure, he shares such credit with the many artists who work behind the scenes, behind computer desks, and obviously owes a large amount of credit to the makers of the original KING KONG. But make no mistake, ...there are many shots in KING KONG which would make stunning posters, computer wallpapers and even screen-savers, ...as there are numerous shots which hold such beauty even as there is movement, from characters and/or the camera itself (via computer generated or otherwise). So, ...with the right script, with the right editing, with the right budget and effects team(s), ...from cast to crew, ...I have ZERO doubt that Peter Jackson would present us with a JUSTICE LEAGUE that would succeed like no other. World wide, I would predict no less than half a billion dollars in ticket sales. And that's just from movie tickets, folks. So, lastly, I only want to say, ..."Be smart, Warner Bros."
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Wasn't just crazy to see this, but me and a buddy happened to catch the last half-hour of SM2, got inspired to run out and see a late show. Had a blast, even though I HATE seeing flicks in a crowded theater on opening weekend. It's definately busy and jumps a bit, but really...its not like we're losing track of whats going on. The jazz scene...was hilarious. Peter thought Harry was putting it to MJ, and that's how he got back at her...a SpiderMan-style diss on a faithless ex...come on, that was funny. Action was awesome, only wished they'd kept Harry around for sequels, the chemistry between the two as they fought was perfect. Venom will obviously be back, and I'm glad they didn't kill off Sandman, who was great as well. Admittedly, Gwen made MJ look like a used dishrag, but whatever, that's Peter's problem. Thought this was simply great, shitload of action, funny stuff inbetween. This does make three Spidey movies in a row with McGuire weeping, and by god thats enough. Oh, yeah, and I realize he's a big star, whoo-hoo, but can Spiderman have his mask on in the next movie once or twice. Other than that tiny bitch, I had a great time and will be seeing it again later tonight.
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OK, im NOT saying you liked hot fuzz -- im just using it as an example. Im a film geek, and i dug the HELL out of SOTD. so, naturally, i had to check out hot fuzz with my friends. Everyone here thinks it's brilliant, yes? the reviews for it have been stellar, yes? Well, I shit you not, all ofmy friends were ready to walk out 30 minutes into the film. Some ended up doing so, and the ones that stayed absolutely regretted doing so. We are NOT like the general public. I'd say we're more like critics. Please, do not underestimatethe power of the general public. They are the same GP pay tons of money to see Blades of Glory (diarrhea on film), Shanghai Knights and any other ben stiller/will farrell/owen wilson/vince vaughn fecal matter. And any type of CG movie -- regardless of how bad it is. People were probably booing in your theatre because it was opening weekend, and there were hardcore filmgeeks in there who DID NOT like the movie. That's my guess. If the entire theatre booed in unision, then you witnessed something I never have.
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they're the ones who sacrifice quality for what will make the most money. thanks to Avi Arad for Venom and Laura for Gwen. and for everyone pissed at Batman Begins, thank the producers for saying it had to be a love story, that's why we got our Katie Holmes and had to deal with that crap.
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in terms of general public. My friend took his girlfriend before I got a chance to see the movie. He isn't a film geek, just a dude out to see movie. He called me after saying how awful it was. He couldn't believe I didn't give him a heads up. He girlfriend just kept saying how stupid the whole thing was....we'll see
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did they love the first two?
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i STILL need an explanation as to why this film is compared to spider-man. it was a standard detective/action movie made interesting by the fact that the main character was batman. it was so NON-comic booky that i wouldn't even group it in the genre. did ANYONE in that film have the ability to climb walls (without help) or turn their body into sand? i still get pissed when people try comparing spidey to batman. compare anything BUT batman to spidey. hell, compare the 300 to spidey if you want -- that had absurd, ridiculously conceived characters in it. yay!
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No matter how you cut it, how you slice it, how you dice it and how you spin it -- that's impressive. anytime a movie makes $375 worldwide -- in a weekend!!!!!! -- it's usually going to raise some eyebrows. in short, the overall box office for this film wil be riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidoikulous. When a movie makes $375 -- ...in a weekend -- it probably won't suffer that much of a drop off the next week. hell, even if it drops 50%, it'll still make at leasty 70 million in the us next week. absurd.
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It's definitely not better than SM 2, but it easily beats most of the crap we got to see in the last couple of summers. It easily tops every blockbuster from the last summer season.
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x3 wasn't bad -- it was just a cop-out. i didnt think sm3 was a cop-out. sure, it was over-stuffed and over-done, but it really tried to entertain the fans.
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Raimi goes wacky for Part 3. Joyless Fangoria-boys (or Comic Book Guys) are angry. Can we just skip ahead 6 years to when people lighten up about it?
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while defending X3 is astonishing. It makes me think that their hatred of Spiderman 3 is just a way to cover up their embarassment over actually liking X3. Now X3 was a fucking train wreck. And hat to break it to you but liking/hating one doesn't mean you have to like or hate the other.
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jajar4life, I think a 50% drop is conservative, and SM3 may drop as much as 63-68% next weekend (I really enjoyed the film, but as TBs like this one prove, the on-line buzz in general will not help SM3 from a significant 2nd weekend box-office drop.On the other hand, by the close of the 2nd weekend, SM3 will probably have banked at least 500-525m worldwide, so even if the film stalls, and "only" makes a worldwide gross of 700-750m, you still have the DVD release...so I do not think Sony will be crying into their beers (although, it is insane that the film really could have cost Sony up to 500m to make/market, but again, it will probably take in close to, if not a bit over a billion worldwide, so Raimi will still be given the Star treatment by Sony if he wants to work with Sony on another film, or on the Spidey franchise in the future). It is somewhat funny that as much hate as there is for films like Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, and X-3, folks conveniently forget that all the above films actually did okay at the box-office (FF made 150m, around 330m total domestic/international, + DVD sales, Ghost rider cleared over 115m, around 224m total domestic/international release, and has an upcoming DVD release that should make the film a touch more money, and X-3 made over 234m, around 460m combined domestic/international, and the dvd did okay numbers).I realize how much a film makes is not indicative of its quality, however, the folks behind SM3, and the above films, have to be feeling pretty good that their gamble on some comic book properties (albeit, fairly well-known ones at that) paid off. Not to mention that the films grosses show that at least someone out their in these films audiences had an enjoyable time watching them (like me!).
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it still sucked. As for people saying it had all the contriviences of the previous ones. You would be partly right. I loved the first 2, adored even, despite having a few flaws. The difference is believability and frequency. The sheer number of absurd coincidences in Spiderman 3 is ridiculous. Also instead of serving the story...they WERE the story. Tell me who the villian of Spiderman 3 was? Who intentionaly and maliciously tried to kill 2 people, lied constantly and beat up innocent men and a woman? I know Raimi was trying to show that the heroes aren't always good and the villains aren't always bad but he took it WAYYYY past that point. The suit turned Peter into a fucking murdering disco dancing pyschopath. Here are some things I thought about...Why did Bernerd not tell Harry about his father's wounds 3 years ago BEFORE Harry went insane, became a ?painter? and nearly blew up NYC and tried to kill his best friend? And why then...because Spiderman can't take them down alone and he so selfish he is willing to risk his friend's life he literally just tried to kill to save his ex-girl?Why do Brock and Marko kidnap Maryjane? They haven't dated in months. Brock had yet to even see her? Why not the family member Aunt May or...the girl that broke Eddie's heart Gwen Stacy???There are simple coincidences and then there are huge fucking gaps in logic. These and many more are signifiers of bad writing/pacing/story.
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characters in different comic book movies with other comic book films. batman, spiderman, supes,-men and spiderman are all different characters in stand alone movies.
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on broadway and will be written by bono and the edge and will be directed by Julie Taymor. Hence all the stuff in the theatre and those cole porter numbers.
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When any one of you can become a director and make a better spiderman movie than Sam Raimi then you go ahead and do it. If you dont like the movie then dont watch it. Just dont watch it. Read the fucking comics or download the old cartoon show but dont bitch about something you cant change and dont have the ability to make yourself.
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"How do you think films like Madagascar and Click bank so much money?" Because people will see shit. Box office and quality are not related. Box office results have no impact on the validity of criticisms.
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Neil Jordan was working on the book but glenn berger(underneath the lintel) has taken over. Bono when asked about the score it will have a celtic vibe, there will also be a greek chorus involved. They are looking for 2 leads in thier twenties with strong pop/rock voices. Bono and have been working on this for the past two and half years. The production will be over seen by the director of Fosse, who was formerly a marvel exec.
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Horrible argument. I can't cook and I PAY for a meal and it tastes horrible. Under your theory I shouldnt and can't complain. Bullshit. You are on a movie appreciation and criticism site. Really think about you are trying to say.
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I am in geek hell...where do I begin? I ever turned the guy beside me and said 'so disappointed' TWICE (I never thought I was that much of a geek, but, DAMN) The pacing:TERRIBLE. So many slow 'Days Of Our Lives' scenes (you know, I love her, she is having doubts, there's someone else yaddayadda) punctuated by all too quick action sequences. The CGI:TERRIBLE. The 1st fight between Harry & Peter, fuck, I was expecting a score to flash up in the end ala PS1, ditto metro fight, why did so much have to happen at night anyway? The big-money final battle was meh, with Sandman turning into the fucking doughboy from Ghostbusters. Where did all the fucking talent go that gave us the spidey/Doc Ock train scene last time around? What made up all the millions supposedly spent on this..into Snaggletooths hairdo? And the tears, oh boys..DID EVERYONE HAVE TO CRY SO MUCH? jesus this was SPIDERMAN MOVIE!!! Where was the wise cracking day-lit hero I used to read about as a kid? This movie smacks of the same thinking as Super Returns: 'Oh, lets make a love story too with lots of longing and soul searching, it will bring the chicks in as will as the kids.' Maguire et all all looked SOOO BORED. This needs a re-boot like YESTERDAY. Topher was so much more Peter Parker than Tobey could ever be. Oh yes, and the FUN SCENES where SO FLAT..absolutely EMBARASSING. The 1st Daily Plant office scene, the dance scenes, the camera scene with JJ...watch and weep God, I could go on all night night..interesting the cinema was only 1/5 full, word of mouth is out already (I HOPE). Raimi needs a sound kick up the ass for this and just pray he's off No4.
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I thought it was a good film.
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and it would be a good one but The guy who wrote the very first screenplay is prepping his comeback movie. James Cameron with stan winston on board or phill tippet and bring back John Dykstra and re-hire Danny Elfman. Or Give this thing to Stephen Sommers. I know you all hate sommers but they are going to have to get someone with clout to make spidey great again. I would happily give this whole thing over to zemeckis in this morning or let peter jackson do it. Any one.
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will Raimi get to do The hobbit on the back of these lukewarm reviews.
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were thinking the same thing"pfsss... this.. shit is so. lame" the crane scene would have been great if they all had acted like they were scared. Cromwell is on the ground looking up and doesnt seem to realise its is daughter untill eddie brock says that your daughter, you would have thought gen stacy would have beat brock into the ground, having found so suddenly that brock was dating his daughter. A great actor like cromwell deserves better then this. as does Rosemary Harris.
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There will be Raimi-Cam in The Hobbit and it will piss everyone off except Raimi acolytes. Give it to Curaon already.
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. . . new Spider-man movie this year. Seriously, I loved it, and I don't understand the dislike. Sam Raimi did a great job. Sure, I would have preferred to have Danny Elfman scoring the picture, and his absence was felt in a few scenes, but this was still a great adventure. I thought the Peter/MJ story was handled very realistically. If any of you geeks ever move out of your mother's basement, maybe you can finally experience a relationship with a girl. Then, you'll have a better appreciation for this movie. The genius that Raimi brings to these movies is that he focuses on the characters. What he gives us is not a two-dimensional story about a kid who can stick to walls, but it's an emotional drama about a young man, who happens to have some very special abilities adding to the pressure of just trying to exist. Again, I know most of you can't relate to that. Just put down the swiss cake roll, turn off the monitor, borrow your dad's keys, and go find a girlfriend.
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Jackson is kind of stiff, I want some lively characters.
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I liked X3 better than SM3. And SM3 wasn't that bad. I enjoyed it. Wouldn't go and see it twice in the theater but hey, there is plenty of other overproduced trash in the pipeline to waste my money on. That's right, I'm talking about your eagerly awaited FLAMING piece o poop, Michael "darn you" Bay.
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Nice work and i thought that one could never be topped!
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if i was her i would get as far away from parker as i possibly could. everytime there is a new villain they wind up using her as bait....that shit is getting really old. in all 3 films the finale has been the same thing....mary jane as bait or leverage over spider man. plus i wish he would stop taking his fucking mask off...why did venom have to keep reverting back to his human face - it looked stupid. the fall out boy haircut was ridiculous. the dance scenes were awful and unnecessary. gwen stacy was pointless. the lack of panic opr concern both cromwell and brock seemed to show when gwen stacy was fucking danglking from the top pf a skyscraper was baffling - especially for captaoin stacy considering he is her fucking dad....JJ buying the camera from the little girl was not funny....the butler who seems to be a fucking stab wound expert decides to tell harry the truth all of a sudden....the film was a disjointed mess. sloppy and disappointing. and stop this blaming avi arad - if you think raimi was pushed around and had no say you are crazy. you could tell the bad shit that was raimi as it had the three stooges fucking wacky absurd feel that he loves so much. avi arad didn't write and direct this thing...SAM SAIMI did so itis his fault.the only stuff I did like was the relationship stuff with mary jane and peter..it felt realistic to me and i think they are good together but everything else was awful. the effects seemed to be a step backwards too....and spare me the "well it made 300 gazzillion dollars" because that doesn;t mean a thing to me...garth brooks sold a lot of albums....so did michael bolton....the fact that spidey made alot of money doesn't change the fact it was awful.
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i think the first 2 movies are far superior in the charector devolopment, story and action scene catagory. everything else was fun to watch. everybody did a good job. although i didn't care much for kirsten dunst's singing or tobey's dancing. i will possibly see this again and again before seeing everything else this summer.
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...in Spiderman 4.
I know that everyone thinks it should be Patrick Stewart but c'mon, he's Prof. X in the X-Men series, no way is Marvel going to let the two frans get mixed together like that.
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you're right. this is the best new Spiderman movie this year. And your right, if I just had a real girlfriend i probably could better understand the realistic relationship between peter and Mary Jane. I rememeber when i got super powers and my girlfriend flopped on her broadway debut. Very realistic. And then my best friend became a super villian and plotted to use my girlfriend against me. At the same time an alien suit landed on earth and joined with me bringing out my most agressive tendencies which in turn turned me into a european gigalo. you are right. A real girlfriend would have let me better understand the genius in the film. tool
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Jajar4life, I haven't seen "Hot Fuzz" yet. Way overdue to catch it before it's gone. "Shaun" was an instant classic. You are absolutely right about both the "masses" propensity to spend their ill-gotten gains on cinematic shitburgers and the fact that us geeks are not legion, otherwise "SOAP" and "Grindhouse" would at least have had heftier openings. My point was there seems to be lots of genuine anger among the fans, to the point of comparing the flick to "Batman and Robin" (unfair, since watching "Spider-Man 3" doesn't cause cancer). No one booed at my theatre (just the head shaking and murmers of "that's it?" and "jeez, that sucked" and "MY EYES! MY EYES!"). But I've been surfing various sites, and other talkbackers seem to be reporting it. You're probably right, it's a cash machine regardless. This weekend, with no big competition, will be closely watched by us all. I forsee a nasty tumble after that monster opening.
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it is nowhere near the shit that was served to us that was BATMAN AND ROBIN...
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Some of Moriarty's critcisms are fair enough. Others are a bit picyune. Saw SM:3 Friday nite. LOVED IT! Great action, believable emotion, fantastic SFX, decent story. Sure, there are some weak moments (the Butler/Harry scene comes to mind, wth??) Otherwise, it was very enjoyable. Probably my favorite of the three. My son, 15, my daughter, 11 and her friend 12 loved it, as did my wife. The audience seemed to really dig it too. Good word of mouth will keep this one on track to 400M plus. Can't wait for the dvd! If I wasn't saving my pennies to go see Shrek 3 and Pirates 3, I'd see it twice for sure.
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Sam Raimi better stay the fuck away from the Hobbit or anything Tolkien related...
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Otherwise I would considered Spider-Man 3 a HUGE HEAPING PILE OF SHIT...THank goodness Singer and his frat brothers made a heaping pile last summer...Now S3 doesn't seem so bad.
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that's what this movie is, ALL THINGS TO EVERYONE. No one has commented on how the symbiote formed a "V" on the scooter right at the start. As far as it becoming Point Break and The OC, at this point, who fucking cares, its going to be "Nolan"ized, maybe even by Chris himself, the story of the suit will be retold, the movie is a symbolic shmorg of the whole history of basically the 90s Fox series. However Thomas Church and Theresa Russell are awesome, this movie will age well because nothing in it isn't unknown to the creators, it was necessary for it "WRAP IT UP!!!!!!!!cause this is the last hurrah for all involved together.
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introduced what seemed to elements of third in spiderman 2, then dropped then in order to refrence very dated movies like the blob and Saturday night fever. Odd.
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Go find one of the old Superman TBs if you want to bitch about that movie. The airplane rescue in Superman Returns is 10 times more exciting than anything in that pile of steaming shit known as Spider-Man 3.
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May 06, 2007 5:11:15 PM CDT
Can Avi Arad give Spiderman IV to Mark S. Johnson now?
by jackpumpkinhead
You know, the man who can actually make an entertaining comic book movie, as he's shown twice already?
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The best reasoning i could come up with for the intent of the movie, was that maybe there was only one villain in this movie-the bad side of peter/black suit spiderman. And that sandman and venom were a way and solution for peter parker/ spiderman to deal with his problem. Which is why venom and sandman seem like a backdrop, with that in mind maybe ill go see this again.
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good scene in SR.
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with Fantastic. They dont want to with transformers, so they came up with the Cloud. transformers is going to kick ass. majorly
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http://blogzarro.com/?p=214
1 is Venom, 2 is Green Goblin, and 3 is Doc Ock. SandMan is 4, and Carnage is 5. the rest of the list at the link. -
While I tend to usually agree with Mori's reviews, I think he's way off on this one. The only viable complaints I can maybe understand are length of the movie and that it was a bit crowded with characters. Both of those are nitpicks IMO. I saw it twice - once with my oldest son and his friends and then with my younger daughter. It held my attention both times and never did I feel bored in any place in the movie. The crowd loved it in both showings. I felt it captured the essence of the comic ; part romance comic, part silver age marvel action and the ridiculous fun that was spidey in the first 100 issues. Raimi proves again that he has the talent to weave an entertaining story and I think the box office receipts speak to that. I hope Raimi comes back again and they do an older, wiser Spidey but retain the fun that all 3 of these movies contained. I just wish Superman Returns was half as good as S3 is.
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as if they're applying for a black-box job writing for AICN.
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Marsden didn't play Jameson's son in SM2...
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When are they finally going to make the dr conners/lizard story?
hes in spiderman 1, 2 and 3 already so it wouldnt take much to set up the story him being an established character. if raimi didnt like venom so much why didnt he go with that? -
how do you know
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I could care less how much it makes. Won't make me like it anymore or any less.
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...the surprise is that it turned out to be a piece of shit.
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this one will be also. There has been plenty of excitement since the second ended. Everyone will see this one regardless of it being good or bad.I saw it Sunday. I dont' think it was as bad as some are saying. I don't think it holds up to the first two very well though. It just seemed rushed. Almost as if they were trying to cram everything into one movie. That hurts it. One of the things I did enjoy was the casting. Great Sandman, Captain Stacy, and Gwen. I liked the second fight between Harry and Peter more than the first one. One thing that bothered me is just how many times is Spider-Man going to have his mask off for the villians. That is totally out of character as was the "dance number" in the jazz club. Didn't really care for Venom. Seemed like a pretty boring villian. Enjoyed seeing the Sandman pull himself together after his transformation.I couldn't see Venom and him really team up. Just odd. I really wish there would be fourth one with the Lizard as the villian. I doubt it will see light. Not a bad movie. Glad I saw it.
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...just a very, very disappointeder...
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Doc Connor's still has the 'sample', right?
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he skeleton exploded when SpiderMan threw a bomb at the Symbiote.
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I don't think Sony really cares about all the negative comments by the .00001% of movie goers who look at this site. Especially since everyone who hated on the movie still ponied up the cash to see it and many will do it more than once. I just wonder how much money Sony is going to throw at Rami to do another one, something tells me they will make him and everyone else they want an offer they can't refuse. Get ready for Spider-man 4 featuring the SINISTER SIX!!!! Ha ha
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http://www.cinemafusion.com/index.php?/weblog/comments/joseph_gordon_levitt_as_spider_man/
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...he'll be in Hairspray the movie version of the Broadway musical based on the John Waters movie...it opens on July 20...
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...Joseph Gordon-Levitt...it being a Mysterious Skin and all...plus he would have been better at the emo thing than Tobey...
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i saw it again and man, people in my theater still went apeshit when MJ kissed Harry and then when she dumped him at the bridge! I was surprised people were yelling out words like "whore, slut, bitch, ho" in a room with kids around.
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trailer in glorious quicktime...get a load of John Travolta in this!http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/hairspray/hd/fill the gaps!
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To watch that trailer delete that final !!!
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it was outside plastered over the side of the building.
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I would've deleted the entire nightclub scene and replaced it with almost anything else, as well as taken out the scene when Venom finds Sandman, and the TV reporter stuff. Up until that point it was a pretty good movie but it felt like the last 25% of it was thrown together at the last second. Also the CGI was too fast to get into.
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I'm sure kids loved this movie... it would be great to be 7 years old and watching a spiderman movie. I mean this kind of movie (comic book) is pretty much made for children in the first place. The colorful characters the action sequences, the toy line. You dont see sony marketing a 2007 spider-mobile for the adults complete with GPS navigation and heated cupholders. Movies like these are for dreamers and people who just want to be entertained by the notion of a spider person who fights crime. Its a fantasy and its really terrible to take a fantasy and tear it apart with because of its unrealistic portrayls. Star Wars is another movie based on coincidence... an entire galaxy, hundreds maybe thousands of worlds and darth vader built c-3po. This isnt a serious movie like goodfellas or the departed. Its a fun movie. Much like the children in the theatre I was in with their "wows" "oohs" and "ahhs" I also really enjoyed the picture and just took it for what it was worth. Fun
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tell me something...why did mary jane dump peter on the bridge? because harry told her he would kill him if she didn't?? uummmm HE IS SPIDERMAN FOR FUCKsSAKE...he kicks peoples asses all the time doesn't he?on a fucking daily basis....it made no sense whatsoever...surely she would have gone to parker and said "um harry just put me in a strangle hold and told me to dump you or he is going to kill you...you might want to go and use THE FUCKING SUPER POWERS I AM WELL AWARE OF YOU POSSESSING AND GO KICK HIS FUCKING ASS" it made no sense at all other than forcing a plot point...just a terrible plot device. the film was full of these types of things...situations put in there purely to make a film rather than tell a coherent story....the my chemical spidey hair do and all that emo shit was hard to watch.....it was so embarrassing I felkt sorry for everybody involved until I remembered they all got paid to involved while i PAID to come here so they can all go fuck themselves....and as for saying "you wanted venom and you got him so stop complaining" ...no we didn't get venom...we got topher graces head and voice stuck on a guy ina black suit. i liked grace in the role as brock...but onmce he became venom why on earth he kept reverting back to his normal head..dear god...it is as if raimi had a major sulk and ruined venom on purpose....and fuck blaming avi arad ..it is raimis job as the fucking DIRECTOR. if he seriously didn't want to do venom he should have used some of the fucking ridiculous clout he has as one of the biggest directors in the world to say no. it is all raimis fault. what the fuck was with the austin powers dancing down the street? the fucking jazz club?? even the news reporters at the final battle were bad.....i mean a meteor just happens to land next to spiderman in a park....frompouter space it just lands right there...I am sorry i accept a guy made of sand..i accept a fucked up spider giving powers...i even accept all the villains just happening to have some kind of connection whether by chance or directly to parker but that was so obviously just shoved in there.....for god sake they already introduced an astronaught in spider man 2 he could have brought it back .....but just having a totally unnoticed by fucking anyone meteor land was FUCKING STUPID JUST LIKE THE WHOLE FUCKING FILM. fuck comparing it to x men 3. x men 3 is a fucking masterwork compared to this thing and x men 3 was fucking awful......sorry jarjar4life at first I thought you were being funny with your user name but your staunch defence of this terrible film leads me to believe you really do believe in jar jar for life. Spiderman 3 is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had the movies...even greater than phantom menace.at least lucas had the excuse of not having directed for fucking 20 years......there is no excuse for what raimi did to this film.
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parker was being a fucking jerk off ..... the people who call her a whore or a slut during that moment i can almost guarantee have never been in a real relationship..the only thing the film had going for it wasd the relationship stuff which I thought was realistic and well handled. all that goes back to the classic misogynist scenraio of a girls a whore but a guys a stud.
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i mean it wasnt even explained how sand could fly & reconstitute itself back into a person! loved it!
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...MJ would only be a whore if their was some economic motivation...if for example she had suddenly lost her job, and if Peter could barely make ends meet while Harry was a billionaire .....oh. right.
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are jerks. If you dont want to discuss the film and critque then dont bother coming into the talkbacks. Instead you ought to go to to imdb and join all those 13 year olds praising how great spiderman is.
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reznik has a valid point, kids will love it, and shell out cash for it, was he said isnt fundementally wrong.
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...just to get seats filled, then kill the dude 10 minutes after he arrives, which is like, 2 and a half hours into the movie. As for X3, anything wrong with it can be laid at singer's feet for what he set up in the first two films. X3 was a flawed movie in an already flawed trilogy. I still liked it the best of the three, oddly enough. Spiderman3 on the other hand, had two decent movies before it, had the same people working on it, and it's totally fucked up. The list of issues plaguing spiderman3 is much longer then X3's. What a fucking shame. I don't care how much cash sm3 makes. I'll never see another fucking Raimi SM movie in theaters again.
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..i was just looking at videos at YouTube and found one of an adorable cat posted by "christpuncher665" any relation?...I can understand if not...there's an Ikamono over there that is most definately not me...
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doesnt want to kill, yet he is somewhat responsible for what we can assume, as eddie brock's death. he throw the pumpkin bomb, nobody else did. heh sort of sucks, eddie brock of course, is somebody that nobody really gives a shit about, hes just some loser, but it would be interesting for peter to dwell on his death in the 4th movie.
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I agree 100% with what you said. Especially the x3 thing. That movie sucked but Spiderman 3 was horrendous. Watch now as the koolaid drinkers try tear down you valid points. THe weird thing is leading up to this EVERYTHING about this movie looked perfect. Loved SP1 and 2. Sandman: perfect casting and costume. Venom: perfect casting and costume. Same with Gwen and Captian Stacy. Trailers gave me goosepimples. But when I sat down it was as if the script was written by retarded mongol children. I think that has ALOT to do with the reaction from the sane fans. Complete and utter shock.
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like Reznik *did* discuss the movie. He discussed the fundamental aim of the movie, and how we have to judge it by its purpose, not by whatever we want to force it to be. It's people who are saying "OMG, this sucked so hard, emo Peter was an atrocity, wtf is with the dancing?!" and such who aren't actually discussing the film. That's not "critique", because while it may be negative, there's no critical thinking involved. That's not discussion, that's reaction, and yet your post seems to imply that the only way to critique and discuss the film is to attack it--all those 13 year olds praising how great Spider-Man is are "discussing" the movie just as much as most of the people hating on it here.
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sorry bud that aint me.
heh after a long day of work i was thinking about how on friday i was so excited to see how this movie would turn out, even though i had followed its production since the end of sm2 and knew to lower my expectations.... i must admit, some parts were guilty pleasures, like eddie brock crawling on the wall talking to sandman or the evil spidey pounding on sandman in the subway, but overall i felt like we never really got the REAL sequel to the first 2 movies. oh well the more i bitch the more i end up straying from the "general public"... -
after he kidnapped MJ. it could've been like in Batman 4ever when The Riddler has to make Bats choose between Robin or Nicole Kidman.
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he didnt intend to have killed brock but maybe he'll be hard on himself for not doing more to save eddie... i dunno im just mumbling my thoughts here.
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Because that would have called for imaginative writing, and would have made the movie fucking interesting.
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--like most of the people who hated the movie are the ones who wanted to love it most and had the highest expectations. I understand where that comes from, totally, but those of you who know you wanted to love it and know how disappointed you were should realize that your emotional situation doesn't make you a better judge of the flick, it makes you a worse one. Chances are very good that when Transformers comes out in a month I'm gonna despise every frame of it for making Lebeouf the star instead of the autobots, but I'm certianly not going to claim that "any sane fan" will share my reaction. Personal disappointment skews your judgment.
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on reznik, sorry about that... im just really pissed off at how much care they took with the first 2 movies, all that effort, has now gone down the drain, for at least for me. its the little things too that really bugs me (but of course im just bitching). like the intro for example, the music and everything in the first 20-30 seconds was great, had a good flow, reminded me of an old friend that i havent visited in 2 years, but then they inserted chris young's disappointing theme music.... right away it took me out of the movie, i was thinking to myself "its still good, its still good", but a deeper part inside of me says "man dont kid yourself they just dont care as much anymore". sorry for the jumbled thoughts.
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I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot the first time I saw it (more than the two girls I was with), and I liked it more when I saw it IMAX today (as did my fiance, who seemed to like it much better). The other three people we were with all enjoyed it a lot, too. The reactions for these six people ranged from "disappointing, but not awful" to "the best of the three." Please excuse that last one, though, he doesn't see many movies.
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maybe raimi knew he was making a crappier film than what he had done previously, notice those kids in the very beginning? pete watches a huge monitor somewhere in NY showing spidey swinging around, the kids are going "cool", then they leave, pete goes "stick around, it'll start up again in another minute", the kids go "nah" as they walk away. Even the kids know what disappointments awaits them in the future sequels if this trend of cramming everything possible the least amount of genius writing is not worth people's time.
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Harry one guy yelled out "slut" and got zero reaction. All you could hear were crickets. Then the guy thinks no one hears him so he says it again as if people are going to laugh this time. Again, no reaction. That guy must have felt like a douche.
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it was the most unusual experience i have ever had in a room with kids in it.
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the only response some people had to that was "shh!".
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wtf is that?
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Yeah, NOBODY in my theater yelled out "slut" at MJ when she kissed Harry, though there was a collective gasp when Peter accidentally hit her. Frankly, I didn't blame MJ for running into the arms of another man, Peter was rather insensitive for the entire movie. I mean: why DID he tell Gwen to kiss him while he was hanging upside down? Any guy with half a brain would know that'd piss off his girlfriend who was RIGHT THERE in the audience. Since when does great power mean being a great playa?
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then it went silent.
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Riiight, Ms. Dunst. It seems to me that WITH the three of you, it's about to do the flopping. In fact, as much as I like Kirsten Dunst, I have to say that she was one of the worst things about Spider-Man 3. The singing just about killed me (Hint to future comic book movie directors and actors: NO MUSICAL NUMBERS IN A COMIC MOVIE!) and the constant need to put the focus on Mary Jane as the dramatic lead... gods. She's supposed to be a supporting character, not center-stage all the time. This movie was not Spider-Man 3. It was Mary Jane & Spider-Man 1.
At this point, it would be stupid to sign Tobey, Kirsten, and Sam back for Spider-Man 4, and they would be wise to kick the whole lot of them and start a new chapter with new people. Keeping the old trio would result in the flop Kirsten talked about. -
What the hell are you talking about , you could all of Ratners pieces of crap together and then they would still not even come close to being as good as SM3, even with its many flaws.
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Hey if they reboot with a new crew Edgar Wright should lead the helm
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Gwen Stacy > MJ
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Unlike the craptacular choices in X-Men 3, nothing was irrecovably spoiled by Spider-Man 3 except Venom and I think that too could be undone if someone wanted to (Sandman reconsrtucted himself from mere sand, so Venom should have no more trouble reconstituting itself and Brock as well). Sand Man is still alive too, so they could still make more out of his daughter and his plot at some point. The contrivances needed to resolve Harry's plot weren't so great, but it ended more or less the way we knew it had to and he got to die good which is more than can be said for anyone who was killed in X3. Seriously, this movie didn't do the same fundamental harm to future installments that X-Men 3 did. The only "fixing" that has to be done is to Venom, and if nothing is done with him it wouldn't seriously hurt a future movie either to never feature Venom (we'd all be pissed and it would make 3 more of a criminal mistake on Raimi's head, but the franchise could probably still weather it). I'm gonna say that in another year when, news that Venom will be back is confirmed, people will start to bitch that he was overrated anyway and Sandman was the real gem of this movie. Emo Peter will always be a dramatic misstep or a funny aside, but nothing major. Ian McShane for Kraven. I'll say it until it happens.
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Yeah, he kinda was. But I thought it was a good thing. Honestly, here's a kid who was tortured in high school and is finally getting the public approval every nerd with poor social skills really wants. If he's hanging upside down and people start chanting "kiss him, kiss him", he's going to do whatever it takes to egg on the crowd. He's not a bad guy, but he's got some issues, he craves approval and attention. Doesn't hurt that Gwen's a cute girl and no girl other than MJ has ever looked at him twice in his life. He's gonna rationalize to himself and not consider others, it's natural, and unfortunate, and makes him act like kind of a jerk. But it's also a genuine emotional portrayal of the character, and I liked it.
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You fool. James Marsden played the nephew of Superman's newspaper editor who married Superman's girl. And you thought he was the son of Spider-Man's newspaper editor who proposed to Spider-Man's girl. How could you *possibly* confuse those two characters? ;)
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Your comments demonstrate the kind of disconnected geek I'm talking about. I wasn't talking about the realism in the super powers or the man made of sand. These things are the context in which Raimi tells us this character story involving two young people.
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Sony's claiming the exit polling of audiences in general for the film is very good. Anyone know of independent confirmation for this kind of thing? Obviously Sony's gonna SAY the exit polling is good, "good" being open to interpretation, so I don't really trust their word. However, they did also say that "the majority" of those polled actually *preferred* the movie to 1 and 2. Which I find pretty bizarre. However, with 63% of the audience being under 25, it's possible a lot of the kids don't remember the others that well, or that people in general are just more impressed by whatever they've seen most recently. Again, anyone know of any sites or services that might corroborate this kind of claim?
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it'll be monday soon and the official weekend numbers will roll in tomorrow...50 bucks says we see one by then.
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and there was a bunch of mentally hanicapped people there, (must have been an outing or somthing) and this one bloke kept on staying "uhhh" the entire fracking movie. *meh* what can you do, i found him slighty more entertaining then the film
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thats why its not up yet.
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I'd have to agree, the worst thing about it is I have no need to ever see it again. The flow of the film was all over the place, and the way 'dark peter' was handled was so over the top and just plain gay that it took me out of the film. Ok, so you want to do something to demonstrate to the audience that Peter is now dark and aggressive....I know...a dance number. JAZZ HANDS!!!!! What was Sam Raimi smoking...
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The following points about Spider-Man 3 that I hated and liked. I will address something I liked about the movie, followed by something I hated to keep things objective;
* I liked Bruce (The Bruce) Campbell
* I didn't like that every old person over 50 was a mentor who spoke in monologues
* I like JK Simmons, he was chucklesome
* I didn't like the emotional angst and the idiotic way Spidey and Slutty carried themselves. I think they kissed other people more then each other
* I liked the CG of Sandman becoming sandman
* I didn't like the way he became sandman was because he fell into a pit which main purpose was to create mutant sand, birds be damned, controlled by the most inept scientists with baffling funding sources. What were they doing there?
* I liked the action scenes, virtually every one
* I hate short term amnesia. What a cursed illness and I thank the makers of this movie for bringing to light a potentially inconvenient condition.
* I like when James Franco smiles
* I hate when James Franco frowns
* I liked the russians
* I hated emo spidey
* I like that after the movie I was forced to look up "emo" on the net to discover what exactly the hell peter had become. Learning is fun.
* I hated how venom became venom. What a lucky coincidence that the bad reporter happened to be in the church putting out a religious hit on Peter Parker right when he was rejecting the symbiotic alien thing!
* I liked the font in the opening titles
* I hated that Venom walked like a monster, shrieked like a monster, fought like a monster but talked like a Home Alone demographic
* I liked that, even though they thought of a very practical way to to keep Venom alive (bells, people. Bells), they decided to blow him up and prevent him from returning. Do you know how much it would have cost to hire a police guard to stand at those bars all day hitting them with plumbing? What if he got a cramp? You'd have to hire TWO guards AND a catering service. Spiraling costs, to be sure.
* I hated that the butler performed an autopsy on the original Green Goblin. I've heard of full service, but that is ridiculous.
* I liked the Spidey black suit, but...
* I hated that it seemed to do nothing to Spiderman other then help him look like the stick-man on the male toilets door. What was the point? He didn't seem be stronger or faster. I think this was a movie where they drew the poster first and then just threw that aspect into the mix.
* I liked that one bit where the sand cloud man swept through the streets and knocked the car over and it slid on its roof for a bit and bumped into another car. That was cool. I liked that.
* I hated the kids who had their dialogue written by a 50 year old professor who sat in a park 4 years ago and tried to piece together what he could remember. "Awesome." "Wicked, cool."
* I liked that my seat was comfy and the man next to me smelt nice. ... Damn, I shouldn't have lumped both those points into this one point. I'm gonna need nice smelling man later...
* I hated that Sandman tells spiderman that the ONLY thing he wants is to get his daughter healthy. He tells aracno-man this at great length, at the end of which, Spidey tells him "I forgive you." I guess this was one of those times where somebody forgives and forgets coz right after spidey forgives, Sandman forgets and flies away to live as a nice beach somewhere while his balding daughter spends the last two hours on earth riding the tea cups at DISNEYLAND!!!!
* I liked that a different man near me smelt nice
* I hated that it took the combined efforts of un-pretty-yet-pretty-new-goblin and spidey to take down the baddies where a firetruck and a Scotsman with a bag pipe would have sufficed ... and cried less
* I liked that the movie finished an hour after it finished - Value for money. It was like "All done!" and someone said "But you've only got one hour and a half of movie. Put that kid from That 70's Show in there somewhere. I like him." "Oh the nerdy, awkward one?" "Yeah! Make him a smooth, charismatic hunk!" "Kay!!"
* I hated the music. Come to think of it, Danny sucked in the first one too.
* I liked that the audience LAUGHED whenever peter parker cried.
* I hated that he kept taking off his mask. Why does he even wear it? If it's so uncomfortable, get one of those carnival face painters to just paint on a mask. I understand that getting a jump start on the crime will be more difficult but think of the time saved not fiddling with slipping it back on and trying to keep the hemming from bending your ear backwards. ... Why doesn't he shave his head? That head mask must pull some hairs out, no!
* Why does nobody question that spider man only has four legs, two of which are clearly arms. Wouldn't "Silkworm-Man" be more accurate?
* I also hated the two seconds of Venom vs Sandman and how easily they became buddies. "Hey, you have powers, I have powers - we'll be friends! HEY, you hate Spidey, I hate Spidey - WE'LL BE BEST FRIENDS!!!" -
A drippy, gooey, one-dimensional movie for fans of drippy, gooey, one-dimensional Venom.
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This movie was a piece of crap-and therefore so was the director.
There, i said it.
He's not the President of The United States.
We're doing him a favor by telling him when he bleeps up-and boy did he!
Those that were on the fence about King Kong-well, nows the time to speak!
Did he even sit through a screening of the final cut?
Raimi-you're done.
Have a nice day.
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most self-sacrificing and ultimately heroic character in the SPIDER-MAN movie is the Green Goblin II? Too bad they killed him. I still say Franco would've been a better Peter Parker, he looks like Peter from the comics. Not to mention that Spider-Man lets a guy who committed armed robbery, assault with criminal intent, manslaughter and endangerment get away because he "forgives" him? This kind of stuff is what irritates me about modern takes on superheroes. Aside from that, it has some very competent scenes and then some stuff that doesn't belong in a superhero feature film because it's just so mundane. The Mundane Adventures of Superheroes and Supervillains. Bryce just glows and the girl who plays Betty Brant is adorable. If I was Dunst I would want to shoot that cinematographer - he made the women look terrible. Not to mention Tobey and James. Sandman had a wonderful cinematic face and presence, but the character was so manipulatively and cheaply drawn, give me a break. Brock was great and I don't live Venom at all, but I wanted more of that character. Tobey and Kirstin are just all wrong for Peter and MJ. Tobey's space cadet nerd act needs to be replaced. He's very sweet, but unheroic and borderline dumpy looking. Dunst is sympathetic but unattractive and looks beat. Unforgiveables: Song/Dance numbers, all of them. Peter Parker as Jared Leto. Peter smacking MJ. The butler. Letting the Sandman escape because he has a sad-sack origin tale especially given that Peter talks specifically about making CHOICES - well, there's a fine one, moron.
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most self-sacrificing and ultimately heroic character in the SPIDER-MAN movie is the Green Goblin II? Too bad they killed him. I still say Franco would've been a better Peter Parker, he looks like Peter from the comics. Not to mention that Spider-Man lets a guy who committed armed robbery, assault with criminal intent, manslaughter and endangerment get away because he "forgives" him? This kind of stuff is what irritates me about modern takes on superheroes. Aside from that, it has some very competent scenes and then some stuff that doesn't belong in a superhero feature film because it's just so mundane. The Mundane Adventures of Superheroes and Supervillains. Bryce just glows and the girl who plays Betty Brant is adorable. If I was Dunst I would want to shoot that cinematographer - he made the women look terrible. Not to mention Tobey and James. Sandman had a wonderful cinematic face and presence, but the character was so manipulatively and cheaply drawn, give me a break. Brock was great and I don't live Venom at all, but I wanted more of that character. Tobey and Kirstin are just all wrong for Peter and MJ. Tobey's space cadet nerd act needs to be replaced. He's very sweet, but unheroic and borderline dumpy looking. Dunst is sympathetic but unattractive and looks beat. Unforgiveables: Song/Dance numbers, all of them. Peter Parker as Jared Leto. Peter smacking MJ. The butler. Letting the Sandman escape because he has a sad-sack origin tale especially given that Peter talks specifically about making CHOICES - well, there's a fine one, moron.
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Haven't said anything for a while, so I figured I should just restate that. That always makes me chuckle. Spidemo. Hehehe.
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That was a good time... thanks for that. :)
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we wasted time with that in a Spider-Man movie.
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Peter Jackson did. And, yes, he needs a good talking to as well.
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to the other films - the problem is, it merely accentuates the problems with those films. There is no doubt it was well made and there are some very fun parts. It's not that I expect everything to make sense, it's that I think it sort of denigrates the character of Spider-Man. He hits MJ, kisses other women in front of a girl he was just about to propose to, attempts to MURDER the Sandman (let's not forget that nice little nugget), and lets a hardened criminal go because he personally forgives him. Give me a break.
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fight. Harry actually gets over himself to become a hero in the end. Peter just saves his fiancee - big deal.
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i seriously doubt the only people that hated the movie are the ones that end up on this site
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Enough with the unheroic superheroes, already.
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anyone seen the spiderman 2.1 dvd?
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"Bruce Campbell was funny, but please tell me why we wasted time with that in a Spider-Man movie."
its official...you have no sense of humor or soul.
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Trades just for him, my Campbell humor credentials are intact. I'm just not sure why that scene much less that whole back and forth with Peter and MJ was needed at all.
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Is MJ dumb as a rock? Usually that threat only works when the other person doesn't have incredible superpowers that makes them enormously difficult to kill. Or, if you ran and told them they had zero chance of cleaning the blackmailer's clock in two seconds. Doh.
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Most of the bad things he does there are while he's under the influence of the suit, which is magnifying his aggression and thirst for revenge. Eventually his conscience overpowers that influence and that desire for revenge--no different than Harry, who tried to kill his best friend before he redeemed himself. That's the point of the story, that people do awful things but can forgive themselves and others and do the right things. Every major character, including the hero, is both perpetrator and victim, and either forgives or doesn't. It has a very strong moral theme, I don't know why you can't accept the hero making mistakes and learning from them. As for letting Sandman go at the end--what's he supposed to do at that point? He's just forgiven the guy, the only death we know he caused was an accident, and he's got mitigating circumstances for his crimes--giving him a second chance to figure out a way to help his daughter doesn't seem anti-heroic to me. Besides, the guy turns into a sandstorm and blows away! Good luck catching that, Pete. And Peter *only* saves his girlfriend? He tries to save Brock, too, despite the fact Brock tried to kill him and his girlfriend. He forgives Marko, despite everything he did. And this is just the end of the movie--throughout he risks his life to save Gwen at the crane site, he stops Sandman robbing a bank, he gives up the power and freedom the black suit gives him to stay a hero... He's a hero in this film. And that's established well before we even start this film, this isn't a movie where he needs to prove his heroism. He learned responsibility in the first film. He learned self-sacrifice in the second film. In this film he learned forgiveness. Maybe that's not super-heroic enough for you, but it took someone who was already a hero and made him a better person, and that's fine by me.
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I'm sure MJ really wanted to see her boyfriend and her best friend get into a battle to the death. Besides, it's not like she saw the previous fight, she doesn't know how powerful Harry is, and she *does* know that he has access to weapons, technology, and resources Peter doesn't. If she'd refused, Harry might have blown up the bridge for all we or she knew. Sure, maybe a more detailed explanation of the threat he posed would've been nice, but it's not like it's unreasonable to think she wanted to avoid the consequences of a rich, slightly psychotic super-badguy who happened to be one of her best friends going after her boyfriend.
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that's my problem, even under the influence of the symbiote. That's not just a little thing to overcome - SORRY! It was also a poor choice to show him hitting his girlfriend. And then he forgives Marko(which is fine) but then lets him flee. Well, I guess since SPIDER-MAN forgave him, the whole city should, too. Give me a break.
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but it was a pretty stupid plot contrivance, regardless.
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and I know they were having troubles etc etc but you seriously believed she would go and dump the apparent love of her life so he doesn't use his EXTRAORDINARY FUCKING SUPER POWERS to go and sort out the obviously psychotic old friend who just put her in a choke hold? bullshit. it was just bad storytelling. also what did harry having amnesia ultimately lead too?? seriously what came of it? nothing. it was a waste of time....at first i thought he was faking it to suck peter in and then shit on him but no...he has amnesia and nothing comes ofit..then allof a sudden he talks to huis dada painting and he has his memory back. what was the point of it other then just trying to stretch the film out.it was all filler with minimal killer. i don't give a fuick how much money it makes the film is dreadful. raimi can direct them but he sure as shit can't write them. awful awful awful film.james franco was great though...as was topher grace.
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one of the other villains as a henchman (that's all that Sandman was with a sob story origin stuck on). Franco's arc was the most interesting in the 3 films to me.
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Gwen. That girl just radiates on screen, she is not conventionally pretty or anything, but she just has something. They really should've introduced Gwen in the first film.
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She could have rocked out another couple of musical numbers. In fact, Spidey 3 would have worked better as a musical. There just aren't enough of them these days. lol
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I had a big problem with this. Okay, Peter is under the influence, that's fine. He's not himself, but MJ, as far as I understood it, had NO IDEA and brushes it completely aside. She's an excellent role model.
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He could've easily had Sandman escape because Peter wanted to save a dying Harry. But they were trying to make a point about forgiveness and Marko saying he didn't choose to be that way and then Parker letting him go even though he had willfully harmed others to achieve his own ends regardless of his reasons for doing so. Unheroic to say the least.
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could say it was an accident - murdering Sandman was not. The audience I saw it with had a very negative reaction to him hitting MJ, and also to her cheating on him with Harry. I had a big problem with her turning to Harry so quickly when things went south with Peter. Of course, she left Col. Jameson high and dry at the alter, so it's totally in character.
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...been about saving Peter's aunt from Sandman and Venom (from whatever villainous purpose) instead of just MJ. That would've been a nice "bookend" and would have also given the story more dramatic heft IMO.Still, it wasn't awful.
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Good point. From bad messages, to gaping plot flaws, this flick had more holes than swiss cheese.
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have to be blackmailed into doing something heroic in the finale? Why does MJ or Aunt May have to be kidnapped every time?
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Blew ROTS' 308 million record out of the water. Spidey 3 has aleready grossed half of Spidey 2. Evevn with huge dropoffs, this Venom flick can become the first putrid billion dollar grosser. No, second. I forgot Cameron's worst.
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I should stop smocking this shit
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He wasn't under the influence then. He knew his girl was in the audience. And while I'm on Gwen (hehe), remember that scene where she's hanging from the collapsing building? The Topher points out to her father that that is her and that he is dating her and it's played as a light comedic exchange? She's about to fucking die!! Bizarre. And hwy does he not stop the crane after all that. That was the reason he was there in the first place. I think Sam needs a few less "yes" men around him.
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http://tinyurl.com/2tjozw
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for MJ. You know, just some emotional manipulation at the expense of the superhero? It was completely out of character for Peter, even in the context of the film - he was about to ask her to marry him. Ridiculous. And then for her to say it was "their kiss" like the universe they exist in has all seen Spider-Man 1 and the MTV Awards ceremony. Odd little bit of dialogue.
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http://tinyurl.com/2qgkgc ... Megatron Smash!! Megatron Destroy!! Puny human!!
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http://tinyurl.com/2wmslj ... really, WTF?
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movie. I think they could do better all 'round.
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Maybe it is because I was bored and just decided to check it out on a lazy Sunday afternoon, but I liked it. It wasn't as good as the 2nd one (which drove me to tears when I saw it, but I was going through a hard time in my life then so it really resonated with me). This one didn't really click with me on an emotional level but it was still entertaining. I was disappointed with the way Venom was handled, and I think he could have been saved for a future installment. The script wasn't as tight as the other movies, probably because they tried to cover so much stuff. Still I don't think the movie is nearly as bad as the internet seems to say. BTW does anyone else find the landlord's daughter Ursula strangely attractive? She definitely needed a lot more screen time. ;)
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May 07, 2007 12:15:37 AM CDT
THE SPECIALS (2000) ................. Funny Superheroes
by red dawn don
The only superheroe movie I ever want to show my wife is ..... "The Specials". It is about America's 7th Best Superheroe Team. A quote that gives you the flavor of the movie is: ..... Minute Man: "What's it like summoning demons?"
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This was a poop sandwich. At $260 million production cost this is a gourmet poop sandwich. Its as almost Sam wanted to make two more Spiderman films, but figured this was going to be his last one so he figured he might as well kill two birds with one stone. The film opened this weekend with $375 million gross, so by no means did he kill this franchise. Unlike Schumacher's debacle of "Batman & Robin." It was just a bad script, the action was eye candy, and nothing made me want to care about Peter and Mary Jane. For me to not want to see this film till it comes out on DVD says a lot for me, considering I saw the first two films at least three times in the theater. Did J. Jonah Jameson not know that his son's fiancé left him standing at the alter for Peter Parker the women he's been dating for a while. I would of loved to have seen some sort of comment out of J. Jonah that would of referenced that, considering all his scenes were classic as always. JK Simmons, Topher Grace, and Bryce were all not utilized enough. I would of enjoyed to see a little more development from these three than watch Mary Jane & Harry make a fucking omelet.
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Hi Guys! I posted this in another talkback but I wanted to know what you guys think: I would have had Spider-Man rescue a space shuttle from crashing into NYC wth MJ's old fiance piloting for the rip roaring opening. The Symbiote is attached to the space shuttle and is attracted to Spidey's power. It attaches to him during the chaos after the rescue where Spidey puts out fires with his webbing. Sandman is introduced and as the plot of MJ's career stumble plays out Sandman's family gets more screentime to flesh things out. The Symbiote makes it's move and Spidey turns dark, with not as much dancing though. More moodiness! More Brock! He pushes MJ at the club and goes after Sandman in his anger and frustration at himself. The big finale is the subway fight (More elaborate since it's the finale!) and Peter tells Aunt may, gets the lecture, and he decides to end it. He goes to the church and tears off the symbiote as Harry is gassing himself! Spidey rids himself of the symbiote, Harry steps out of the gas chamber and Brock is consumed by the symbiote! As the camera zooms into Venom's mouth, roll credits! Great set up for part four! Part four! Harry makes MJ break up with Peter and kidnaps Gwen and drops her from the bridge! Spidey kills her with his webbing while catching her and he seriously questions his abilities to help people because Gwen loved Spidey so much. Sandman returns and teams up with Venom who doesn't set off Peter's Spidey sense (several big brawls and a chase throughout) and Spidey decides to end things once and for all! Things end as usual except Sandman's family shows up to try and stop Flint Marco. Spidey forgives Sandman and tells his daughter he is a good man who deserves a second chance and Sandman leaves with his family. After the big showdown with New Goblin double teaming Venom some of the symbiote survives and crawls away on brocks shoe as he is arrested and put into jail with a certain prisoner...dun dun dun! Carnage! Yeah! Spidey swings around NYC with MJ giggling on his back because they forgave each other! Yay! Happy ending! More money for Sony! Happier fans! Yay! What do you guys think?
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think that was so cute it would make MJ want to kiss Harry. Yuck. I hate me some Venom, but dang if I didn't like Topher as Brock and all of the Venom stuff in general. This movie was not Venomy enough for me.
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May 07, 2007 12:22:55 AM CDT
THE SPECIALS (2000) ......................... ADDENDUMN
by red dawn don
Almost forgot this movie has Cheryl Ladds daugther, Jordan Ladd playing superheroe Nightbird. Too bad JL got a breast-reduction at age 16. With her face and those biggies that would have been some sight. Spiderman is so-so.
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damage and maybe minor assault (which are indeed bad things), why should Emo Parker have felt bad for humiliating a cheat and a liar like Brock? If he didn't have the symbiote, would he have gotten Brock counseling instead?
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...(and also a movie w/o MJ and Aunt May in danger) Black suited Spidey mistakenly creates Venom -an indirect product of Peter's vanity. Every time Spidey shows up to save the day Venom turns the tide for the bad guys. Venom does for the baddies what Spidey does for the cops (i.e. every time a crime is heard over the wire, Venom shows up to make sure it succeeds)...Sandman EARNS his forgiveness (ala Saving Private Ryan) by helping Spidey defeat Venom.Just a thought.
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Your last girlfriend told me that was why she broke up with you. You're suppose to please your girlfriend "first" not yourself. Smarten up, idiot. And quit telling us what a "first" loser you are.
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I like to go to archived stories dating as far back as I can find and post "LAST!!!". Who's worse; First posters or Last posters?
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life hell by pretending to be Spider-Man until Spidey makes him so angry he starts to manifest as inhuman which tips everyone off he's not really Spidey. Once the gig is up, he tries to kill Parker instead of simply humiliating him.
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of the world and NYC loves him, have them turn against him which brings Spidey down. Parker becomes obsessed with competing with Venom and it begins to affect his relationship with MJ. The stakes keep getting upped leading to Peter having to save people *gasp* he's not about to propose to!
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wildly heroic like save people that don't even like him. Spidey2 at least had him saving the train which was very heroic. Saving Gwen was heroic, but that is kid's stuff for Spidey.
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The whole scene only lasted maybe five minutes... some may say that was five minutes too long... but I really thought it was funny... thats what raimi was going for some silly scene... I laughed the whole time... Peter Parker isn't some dark punisher type character... hes a 20-22 year old kid who doesent know how to vent his frustrations and anger. If you didnt laugh during that scene then thats okay... I mean it was embarrasing much like any episode of "the office" and I felt that it had a real impact. Its a shame that most of the people posting here give the movie such a hard time. Sam Raimi gave us spiderman movies. I dont think anyone else out there could have done a better job... most people here say I loved SP1 and SP2 or SP2 sucked or the whole thing sucked. But if you look at any other superhero movie out there the spiderman movies did the best job of capturing the character and bringing it to life. I read all the spiderman comic books ( i mean all). I watched the 70's live action show (ack) I watched the saturday morning cartoons and the ladder ones on fox. I even checked out all the games and ultamate spiderman. Spiderman is my favorite Superhero. He can be shot by a gun and killed. Superman could destroy him with a single smack to the mouth. Sny number of the marvel characters could lay waste to spiderman if they so wished. But spiderman is a character that everybody can identify with... we all feel that way sometimes. So what if the movies pace was too uneven or the villain character development was astray. It was another spiderman movie. I dont really see how it was any kind major let-down. The truth is that nobody is ever going to be happy with any comic book adaptation for the screen. Theres always some big fucking problem. The director gets death threats and a kick in the ass proposition for fucking up somebodys childhood dreams. But if you are really that passionate about it. Go make a spiderman movie. Go make any movie and read the reviews... in this case tail ends of a review... (because I'm sure good ol sam raimi is not reading this) and see if you did a better job. I've remember when i was 12 and i had a magazine called "Comics Scene". In the back there was a 2 page spread about "possible" made for theatre movies (this was about 1991) and there listed was Spiderman... directed by James Cameron. It also specified that some or most of these movies may ultimately never be made but, it got me excited. I've been to the theatre to watch each installment of the spiderman movies and as of yesterday I never came out sore. I came to this website to find info on the movie before it was released just to sneak a peek... and then I find people flaming the shit out of it. I mean if you went and watched it and didnt like it thats fine... you wasted anywhere between $7 to $12. sometimes we blow our noses with that amount of money. But the fact that most of the poeple who posted here "hate" the movie. Well thats just real bad stuff. I really like this website and I can understand everybodys views. But its a shame to rip this movie apart. It was a good adventure, I really liked it.
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I'm just saying...The Symbiote is said to make Peter Parker stronger and faster and make him moody and what does he do? he dances? I liked when he says he'll pay the rent when his "damn" door is fixed. That's moody and unlike Peter. Him playing Ursula for cookies? Funny yet not very nice guy. Walking down the street like a jackass? Not very dark. hahahaha! Funny, but not the way it's intended to come across. I really liked the movie but I wasn't given what I was told I was going to get.
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that peter without the influence of the suit, would go and openly kiss gwen stacey infront of millions of people, especially since he knows MJ is there.... thats just some poor writing, totally out of his character, in order to make conflict between MJ and pete. It should have been gwen who demands to kiss spidey, does so to honor her savior, and spidey sort of froze there as hes taken by surprise.
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well, it's not JUST the dancing. That scene by itself would have been ... forgivable. But the movie is FILLED with such inconsistencies like plot contrivances such as short term amnesia (how almost inconvenient), butler exposition (really? He knew the whole time?!), character inconsistencies (far too many to name, most involving Peter Parker BEFORE symbiote infection), coincidence over logic plotting (the meteorite landed right next to the only superhero in town... Wouldn't it have been far for logical to have it land on some punk who spidey has to fight early on and the alien is drawn to him that way), ham fisted US patriotism (in what reality is that giant CG flag anything but laughable). I didn't hate the movie but I think it's a reflection of how great the first movies were that this movie has provoked such a strong reaction from some of the fans.
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yep that part didnt go well with me too.... its almost as if the whole cast had forgot what happened in the previous films. eddie brock has only been at the bugle for a week?
and i would have love to see JJ say something to peter while eddie was challenging for a staff job, pete goes "well ive been here for years, i deserve a job more than eddie, i get you all those shots of spiderman" JJ would go "well if you werent getting those shots you would have been fired, you stole my son's wife from him"... i dunno the writers could have done much better. you just dont forget when your son's large and lavish wedding goes all to hell when the bride runs away.... pete could have started walking out the door when JJ started hassling him about how he stole MJ, then JJ would stop him at the doors and beg him not to take those photots to some other newspaper. -
Venom has taken some brutal punishment in the comics, using that for a basis id say it would take at least a full gross of pumpkin bombs analy inserted with a backhoe then detonated like a pack of thunderbombs.
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Peter is described as getting so caught up in the moment he just says, "lay it on me" because he wants the crowd to go crazy. He just pushed it too far without any thought of hurting anybody. He was just putting on a show for the crowd. Also, it states that Peter has seen MJ kiss tons of guys on stage and it is no big deal to him because he understands that it's just an act and he knew that MJ would understand. Guess not. So she cheated on him. (I love the symbolism of dancing for sex! Peter doesn't dance with MJ so she dances with Harry while Peter dances with Gwen. hahahaha! Probably not what the writer meant but that's what I perceived). But in the movie, Peter is A. Being an ass and B. acting out of character. I'm really annoyed that Gwen Stacy's only purpose in the movie is to make MJ jealous. Gwen is sooooooo beautiful it breaks my heart. Bryce did well with she was working with and the character deserves more. Same with her dad. WTF? Glorified cameos?
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amazing things happen to amazing people... the entire trilogy is tainted with convinient situations. The entire story is centralized around Pete, MJ, Harry and Aunt May... yeah it just so happens kinda thing... how else could it be told? hes a super-hero... why not some thing fall down from the sky and attach itself to him and give him amazing powers much like the spider in the first movie? none of it is the slightest bit realistic and thats all i was saying. Its all a bunch of made up crap made into a really neat film(s). As far as the CG work goes in the film I really didnt see much difference from the previous two. It looked decent and not too fake. What other movie had CG effect better than SP3? i mean really? a pixar film? when it comes to combining live action and CG into a movie I think it looked good. I've never delved too deep into 3D studio max or poser or bryce or any number of 3D programs out there but It was good enough for me... it will still look good years down the road. I'm sorry I've had a few drinks and I've been checking back on these rants for the past few hours. I'm not trying to change anybodys mind or point of view. I'm just sad to see so many people angry with this film. I'm not sam raimi's lawyer and I didnt invest any money into the picture I just like the movie and in some small way I'd like to briefly defend it. Spiderman rocks.
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I liked Venom's look in the movie. But he didn't say 'We'. He referred to himself as 'I'. And in the novelization (Sorry to keep refering to it but it was MUCH better than the film) he had the best line: PETER: Oh my God! Eddie? BROCK: No! Not Eddie! I'm poison to you! I'm Venom! I thought that should have been in the movie.
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I have a friend who said it was his favorite out of the 3. That is what I am finding from most of my friends who know nothing of Venom or Sandman. They thought this 3rd installment was the best. Of course I beg to differ. As I said before, while I enjoyed it I did not think this was the best out of the 3.
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I liked spiderman 3. sure it couldve been beter but so could damn near every movie. I have a lot of complaints but not enough to hate the movie. Sam rami didnt rape my childhood (avi arad might have). But here are the major complaints, A: not enough venom B: goblin wasnt bat shit nuts C: Gwen Stacy was pointless if she lives D: Topher is tiny E: Venom should be fuckin' big F: Venom never said "we" G: Peter parker grew emotionally in the comics to eventually become much less nerdy H: no leave off for a next chapter
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ya hear me!
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God knows the bulk of my DVD collection include movies shunned by the greater public. Defend Spidey-3 til your last breath!
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Saying "Last" means you have the sel-control to please your lover first and yourself last. Good fellow. Keep it up. Make it "Last" long, long time. Ha Ha. Did you see The Specials? Spidey-3 is so-so.
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Opps, I left the "f" off of "self-control". I hate comment pages that do not allow corrections.
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read most of the posts in this talkback, toooooo long and tooo whiny....i just saw spider man 3 and it was AWESOME... totally awesome...the only EMO moments are half the reactions to the movie in this talkback....also i think venom could possibly be alive somewhere..whats to say the explosion didnt blow venom and eddie off somewhere...why would a pumpkin bomb only scar harry but disintegrate brock and venom ...just a thought... but this was the BEST spider man movie IMO... flame away, im wearing fireproof draws...lol
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Yeah, I'll buy this on DVD! It's not a trainwreck. It's like watching a hot girl trip and stumble. She's not on the floor so she can still get up and keep looking hot. Venom IS huge. he looks like Vin Diesel in the symbiote suit. Tobey Maguire isn't Vin Diesel. That was fine with me. I would like to have a body like Venom, all yoked out. Anybody think there will be a blu-ray boxed set of the Spider-Man Trilogy now?
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Honestly, Harry's butler should have gotten pushed out a window by Harry. NOW he tells him Spider-man didn't kill his dad. WTF???!!! Gee thanks for telling me now. This could have saved me the trouble of...oh I dunno trying to kill my friend. Scar my face and oh yeah eventual death. Thanks Butler dude. YOU'RE FIRED!!! -
Enough with the closeups and motion blur effects??? Are you trying to cover up just how cartoony your fucking effects look? I got a headache everytime they had special effects in this movie. What a piece a shit!!!
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Enough with the closeups and motion blur effects??? Are you trying to cover up just how cartoony your fucking effects look? I got a headache everytime they had special effects in this movie. What a piece a shit!!!
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What is it about superhero movies and number 3? They all suck. Superman 3. X3 and now Spider-man 3 and they all have one thing in common. Superman becomes evil superman. Jean Grey becomes evil jean grey. Spider man becomes evil spiderman. What is it about part that that the writers decide. Okay now its the good guys turn to become the bad guy. Clue me in folks!
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...on this one, maybe Sam Raimi and co. tried to tell too big of a story before they left the franchise, maybe marvel forced villains in there that shouldn't have been there. But then consider that had Venom not made it into the movie the Spidey Team allegedly had another villain in place anyway (the Vulture) whose relevance to Spider-man in this story arch may have been just as tacked on as the symbiote. Raimi loves his classic villains, but the fact is this movie was probably going to feel crowded and over-ambitious regardless of Venom being there and I firmly believe that Venom is the reason Spider-man 3 scored higher than the other movies and Marvel will see the inclusion of the symbiote as a successful decision. With this sort of response not only will the symbiotes be back but they'll probably dominate the next three(?) movies. And for those complaining about how *evil and aggressive* Peter was portrayed as goofy and inappropriately comical, are you surprised? Look at the man runnin the show, have you seen the Evil Dead movies at all?!? Aul Sam has a sense of humour about things that on the surface aren't strickly funny AT ALL. Did you seriously believe he was ever going to approach his leading character's "possession and descent into darkness at the hands of quazi-evil-alien-emo-goo" with stone-faced seriousness? Silly hobbits.
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"But then again, everyone's reactions on this TB seems amplified for some bizarre reason."
Yes...almost as if they being influneced by...A SYMBYOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hey Orionsangels have you ever done any movie CG work? do you think you could do a better job than this movie did? well if you do lets see something... post a URL or something. Maybe a website where we can see the amazing CG work you can do. Well if you cant then dont double post and attack people who I'm sure worked really hard to earn the money you spent on the movie or possibly the keyboard time you spent downloading it. You had one thing to say about the movie... one thing... the CG work gives me headaches... good god... women complain about lesser issues.
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when they spend 300+ million on a movie you would expect better CGI. im not saying that sm3 had bad sfx, some of it was very good, but at the same time some of it looked really bad. you really need stop it with the "hey if you want you can go make your own movie" excuse. we're the ones paying for these movies to be made and if we're not happy then you dont have the right to tell us not to point out whats bad about it.
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you must really have a hard-on for me to keep calling me out by my handle name. Thanks... and keeping in step with what you had to say to my rant... anybody here has the right to say anything they want from what I understand. My "make your own movie thing" isnt an excuse. I just throw it out there to make people step back and realize things on a larger scale. Its funny the second time i use my "excuse" as you so elequently put it. You were right there to wipe my ass... congrats for being a great troll christpunchers2007. I'm glad I liked the movie and you didnt.
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The scene where MJ goes to visit Peter and the police blotter goes off and Peter says, "Go get 'em tiger?" and then he jumps out the window? The switch from Tobey to CG Spidey was SUPER obvious. Some of the CG had a lightness about it too. Do you guys know what I mean?
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I still stand by my statement. Spidey 3 SUCKED! There was never any question it would set a record, we all went with high hopes. But if there is any justice, it will also set a record in biggest second week drop ever. F this movie. I already convinced 6 people this weekend who were on the bubble about whether to see this, not to bother. I'm hoping for pirates 3 to storm back at the end of the month and reclaim the title.
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Okay, on a few of your complaints (I don't recall which of you said what, exactly, my apologies)--1: MJ totally brushed it off when he hit her? Well first, it looked like an accident, and second I don't remember a scene where she says "it's okay, Pete, no worries". They barely say a word the rest of the film, and even the end is awkward and tense. 2: Harry's amnesia is definitely not pointless. While his memory's gone he and Pete and MJ are the frickin' three amigos again. If he didn't have that experience, of being reminded how good it was to be friends with them, I don't know that he would have been able to get past his obsession with revenge. 3: I don't think it was totally out of character for Peter to kiss Gwen. He was a big-time nerd who craved approval and was getting it for the first time, he got carried away--and it was a situation in which he could justify it to himself as being on stage and giving a performance (something MJ, as an actress, would have to understand). I don't think it makes him that big a dick, just shows that he was in a place where his joy at finally getting the popularity he'd lacked his whole life was affecting his judgment and his relationship. 4: I don't see a problem with MJ saying that was "our kiss". He kissed Gwen in the exact same way he kissed MJ when it was their first kiss. And clearly MJ thought it was special, because she tried to recreate the magic with her fiance in the last movie. 5: I agree, MJ getting kidnapped in every film is getting old, but I think in this one it matters more than in either previous one. Which is to say, here the main story was really about Peter doing bad things and having bad things done to him, and learning to forgive others and himself. MJ's tied in that theme, and she needs to be there with him and Harry at the end to really wrap it up. Besides, from a dramatic perspective, they want the audience to care about the person being saved. 6: He doesn't stop the crane presumably because Edison has managed to shut the power, as Capt. Stacy asked, so now he's just worried about saving people in danger, i.e. Gwen. 7: I think Brock's near-indifference to Gwen's life being in danger in that scene was pretty in-character given he was a self-centered jerk, and he seemed to be exaggerating his relationship with Gwen anyway. 8: As for what Peter would've done to Brock if he hadn't been in the black suit, any number of things, ranging from exposing his fraud to Robbie in private instead of humiliating him in the newsroom to taking pity on him and telling him that he won't ruin his career over this one mistake, but he's going to be watching him carefully and another strike'll put him out. The point is, there were certainly better ways to handle it than nearly putting him through a wall then exposing him in front of an audience.
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Wow, I'm glad you managed to convince 6 people not to see this movie. I mean, sure, half the people who saw it enjoyed the heck out of it, but why should they decide for themselves if it's good or not when you can punish Sony by costing them 60 bucks? Good on ya.
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Like it or love it, Spiderman 3's financial success has insured there will be a Spiderman 4. It is funny all the rumors about the next one that are flying around. There is nothing nailed down at Sony storywise yet, so don't believe anything you here. Tentatively right now the main bad guy is Kraven the Hunter who is more like the ultimate bounty hunter rather than just a big game hunter. The main plot deals with Spidey being hunted by this Jason Bourne like opererative who sets elaborate traps for the wall crawler. Spidey has to decide if saving people is worth possibley being trapped and which damsels in distress are legit and which are just bait. Plot thread B is Dr. Connor's formula gets produced by Oscorp turning soldiers into super animal-people hybrids; right now this plot point is in the early spitball stage. This info is at least 6 months old from Sony, so things may have moved on, but that is the last I heard.
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It would kick ass people, I'm tellin' ye!
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He'll have plenty of time to do it seeing as how they're only doing seven more episodes of Lost over the next twenty-five years!
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going in (I read all the reviews on AICN so far- 3 dancing scenes... oh god...) and I ended up loving this movie. I was prepared to wince through the dancing parts but they were the most rewarding scenes in the film for me. Emo PP should have been guaranteed laughs onscreen but Maguire turned it into a truly badass performance.
I think the aspect that surprised me the most was how perfectly 'comic book-ey' it was... much more so than the first 2 films. The Sandman/Venom team up at the end was straight out of a spidey comic... the blow by blow of the TV reporter is perfect... Raimi made the climax of this film the ultimate comic book scene on the big screen. I don't know how you could ever make a better SM movie than this... The only thing I would like to have seen done better is spend a little more time establishing Flint Marko. -
You will ensure that he grows up to be a bank robber if you do this!
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'Nuff said to quote Stan the Man in his best cameo to date.
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I haven't read a great many comics but I think that if they'd had Venom refer to himself as 'WE' most non-comic fans would have said "WTF? Why's he talking like Gollum all of a sudden?" Did anyone else think MJ was a bit hypocritical when she whines to Peter about it being 'their' kiss when she went and did it with her astronuant boyfriend in the last movie? Overall I think she came across as a bit of a bitch.
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Porn stars.
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After reading all that backlash and moaning, I went to see the film with my defenses up but I came out of the movie more than satisfied. It is so damn convenient how often people here forget how great the stuff with Harry vs. Peter was. Venom and the Sandman were well integrated into the main triangle of Peter/MJ/Harry which was clearly the intention. People who complain that Dark Spidey didn't go far enough obviously missed him "kill" Harry with the bomb. Sure, Harry lived but can you honestly say Peter knew that? Liek everyone, I was saddened by how illogical the storyline transitions were, and it was all too silly how many coincidences piled one atop the other, but c'mon man, this movie really finished the story we'd all been invested in. It was everything X3 wasn't. It spent time on all the elements that had been built up in the two previous films and it showed Peter/Spidey's growth from a boy to a man. Which I believe was the point. People clamor for a sequel, but whatever gooey center Raimi found at the heart of the Spider-Man myth, is now eaten and done.
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Okay, while I didn't despise the film, I definitely felt like Sam Raimi personally came to my house and spat a giant green lugi on my face, and then took all my Spiderman comics and threw them into the fireplace. I'd like to go over to Sam's house and waste 3 hours of HIS time!
If they make a fourth movie, they should just take "Batman & Robin", retitle it to "Spiderman 4", and then just digitally insert Spidey over Batman. It'll save them time and money and would end up being the same film anyway...
That's all I have to say about "Spiderman 4". Let's hope "Fantastic Four 2" and "Transformers" don't suck as much!
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...I bet it'll start changing people's and critic's minds about this flick. 148 mil opening wkend! Funny what a heap ton of money'll do...
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Yeah, just like X3!!! (that was sarcasm)
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So, what you are saying (in a roundabout way) is that Spidey 3 sucked. Heh.
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Honestly, I think the biggest problem is that the film needs to be recut with a fresh eye. Seems to me that there's a lot of beats missing, and many that are awkward. That more than anything is what makes the script seem 'lazy', I think, though certainly 3rd Act Exposition Butler and Mary Jane in peril yet AGAIN, certainly dont' help matters.
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The first film in these super-hero franchises is usually spent establishing who the hero is and covering their origin, with the villain thrown in(usually the character's most popular villain) to ween the hero into being a super-hero. Superman did this, X-men did this, Spider-man did this.
Now with the second film, we've already established our hero, and their origin, so now we can explore further the possibilities offered by this hero's universe. A new villain hopefully more menacing than the last, probe deeper into the hero's everyday life, discover romantic possibilities. This opening of possibilities usually causes the filmmakers to put everything they've got into the sequel. The dramatic potential of the hero's character becomes almost completely tapped, because with movies, unlike comic books, you're not sure when you'll be able to do this again. This then usually creates for a more superior film to the first. But it also leaves us with the possible problem that the character's dramatic potential has been exhausted.
Now we have the third film, because the second did so well, critically and financially. Again, the filmmakers "blew their wad" with the second film, they don't want to repeat themselves. What to do? Let's face it, it's a comic book character, only so many places you can go with it. Through the first two films, we've seen the heroic heights that our hero can achieve. Their "purity of heart" has been explored to the max. Where do we go from here? Remember it's not a monthly comic series. It's a movie event. One film will cover years of comic book development. So where do the filmmakers go without giving us essentially what we already saw in the second? No filmmaker/artist wants to repeat themselves. What to do? Well, it seems the only avenue we have left is to expore the hero's dark side. Kind of like a reverse order of Dante's Divine Comedy. We've seen heaven, now let's see hell. But unfortunately, the filmmakers exhausted a lot putting so much into the second film. Exploring this new dark side of the character has less passion, less interest for the talent involved. Most of the good jokes were thrown into the second. So much of everything was thrown into that second film, that this new third film now feels a bit...empty. Another thing is that, because the dramatic potential of a character has been tapped with the second film, we also deal with a new creative team for the third. The filmmakers feel they've given their all with the second, and rather than duke it out with folks who own the character over the direction of the hero, the filmmakers simply leave. Now, for Spider-Man 3, the only real difference was Danny Elfman. But perhaps that made a big difference? (Don't know, haven't seen it yet) Spoiled by the full on senses-shattering assault that was the second film, the critics and fans pile on their disappointment. And thus we have Supes 3, X3, and now Spider-Man 3. Reiterating my previous post that good super-hero movie franchises only come in twos... -
Batman Forever and Blade 3, too. Of those five superhero comic series that have managed to reach a third installment, I think Spidey fares by far the best. With luck, we'll see a challenge to that one day with a new Batman 3 and an Iron Man 3. Iron Man especially intrigues me on that level, because it sounds like they're preparing for a trilogy already. The only really good "Number 3s" I can think of were planned out form the get-go, instead of made up base don the success of the first two films.
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It seems to me that perhaps a surefire way to ensure success of a franchise trilogy is to follow the pattern of Star Wars, LOTR, and Pirates of the Caribbean. Make the second film an incomplete film, to not "blow the wad" with the second, where the audience must ABSOLUTELY see the third film in order to end the story. making the movies serial-like would prevent the filmmakers from exhausting the characters, as well. Saving the best for last.
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Ya You'd think by now the Studios making these things would plan on making a series instead of waiting to see what happens BO wise. Did LOTR not teach anything?
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LotR or James Bond--either it should be a planned trilogy really completing one story, or it needs to be truly serialized to make each film totally different from the last. Having said that, I did like Spidey 3, and I think it accomplished the inbetween style better than any other movie I can think of. (Even beyond superheroes, T3 sucked, Jurassic Park 3 sucked, Lethal Weapon 3 sucked, Beverly Hills Cop 3 sucked, etc. upon etc.)
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...it seems like Spider-Man 3 may go on to be one of the most financially successful films of all time. By a successful trilogy, I suppose I also mean one that successfully connects with the majority of the fan and critic base, which SM3 appears to not have done..I haven't seen the movie yet(waiting for IMAX to clear out) so I'm reserving my judgement...
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...has anyone at Marvel ever established a relationship between these two?
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Not that I know of, and as a pretty thorough X-Men fan I'm pretty sure I'd know if Sandman was related to Professor X. Guess there are a lot of Markos in the Marvel world.
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I'm sorry but the whole theater I was in LOVED it. Everyone applauded at the end. Sure the dance sequence was lame...but that's it.
Venom was crammed in cause you freaks demanded it...so you got a tag team and you still bitch.
It's Avi's fault.
The Best thing to have done would've been to set up Venom in 3. Then make part 4 the "scary and spooky" spiderman with The Lizard and Venom. The fans cried for Venom and they're still crying. But Not me. I LOVE comics...I'm 27 and still read the shit outta them. I also write and draw them. So I KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS UP! So STUFF IT you haters you have no one to blame but yourself and Spiderman 3 was fun as hell!
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...according to Wikipedia.com, is an alias used by the Sandman's birth name, William Baker. Cain Marko is Juggernaut's actual birth name.
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with a big ass?
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One of the worst movies I have ever seen. Just horrible. I saw it in AMC Times Square theater on opening night in a packed house and, unbelievably, several people left before it was over. I've never seen that before. To tell the truth, I was sorely tempted to leave as well. One of the worst movies I have seen in a long long time. I can't even begin to go into how bad this movie is. If you haven't seen it, don't. This is an abortion of epic proportions. My buddy and I thought we were being punk'd. That the real movie would start soon. It's that bad. It seriously made my insides sad. I now hate everyone involved in this travesty. Way to kill the franchise, asses.
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and the last one. We may never know the full truth. All the story elements were there and they made sense. Mary jane and John Jameson. John Jameson goes to outer space brings back rock. rock has symbiote inside. rest we know. Bad peter breaks up realtionship between Mary jane and john Jameson.
Eddie Brock seizes his opportunity and undermines Parker position within the daily bugle. Jonah Jameson is a power hungry tyrant in the cartoons and in the comic books.
In the movies he is very good comedic turn. Brock becomes Venom. Why did they dump the Mary jane and john jamesom storyline. What was with the Moral certitude stuff at the end. The Ending was weak. There was far too much talking into this movie.
I would love to know what Stan lee thinks especially that part where, peter blubbs his forgiveness to Flint marko. That effectively ruined Lee's comic book creation. especially that flashaback stuff which not only wrecks this movie but thrashes the first film. Norman osbourne created spiderman by accident. ben parker was killed by a thug.
Norman Osbourne wanted to destroy his creation and in the second Harry was following in father footsteps, He cpo'd aunt may's house and then Peter explained that he killed Ben Parker or at least he let the people who did it get away and ben died in his arms. So know what the third film is saying is well, sorry know you are all wrong.
it was actually flint marco's fault and here is why...This film was filled plot contivances which jar when you watch the second film.
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You are a cork soaker. That is all.
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but there was no excuse for part 3. It really didn't need to be that long or bloated. The two best parts were Bruce Campbell and the birth of Sandman. Can Bruce go back to being a leading man now please? Hasn't he proved to Hollywood by now that he's better than the parts he's been getting recently? And, no, I'm not fucking him.
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How did this ruin Stan Lee's creation? Peter is still at fault for Ben's death as he was before--if he'd stopped the robbery, Marko wouldn't have needed the car, the thug wouldn't have come back and surprised him, Ben would still be alive. Spidey still has the lesson that if he doesn't use his powers for good, people will die as a result. Also, what's all this about Norman creating Spider-Man? That's true in Ultimate Spider-Man, but not in the movies...
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This is one of the big problems I have with the Spidey films. They are too personal and play more like superhero soap operas than epic "save the day" comic book tales. In fact, when you think about it, the films have not had Spidey do anything superheroic to save NYC. He did snap Doc Ock out of his trance, but Ock was the one who took one for the team. Most of the time Spidey has rescued people that HE cares about, MJ in particular. The most heroic and selfless thing he did was stopping the train in SM2. I think future films need to address this issue and have Spidey be more of the superhero that we know he is.
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...much also love Days Of Our Lives and spank the monkey to old eps of Dynasty on DVD as IT WAS FUCKING SOAP OPERA!!! They must really HATE seeing the hero of the title in, you know, MOST SCENES,INCLUDING DAYTIME STATIC CAMERA WELL CHOREOGRAPHED FIGHTS-The chief CGI guy must boned up at the thought of spidey falling through er..debris, scaffolding, tunnels cause THATS ALL I FUCKING REMEMBER!!! How many minutes was red and blue or black spidey in that movie?..it seems like ten minutes. OH yeah ,zombiesolutions, I am late thirties, hot partner and steady job and I still think it was the worst movie and have seen in years...To Will Love..I feel your pain, buddy.
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this most frequently used adjective by those who loved this movie. I'll give you that...but, there's fun and there's fun. for a really "fun" version of Spider-Man... check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDh__j3h1qE once again, be sure to fill the gaps.
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Hollywood Suits. And that is what this movie wreaks of. This started out to be another great Spider-Man movie, just like the previous two -- the villain was going to be the Sandman. But along came some hollywood suits who decided that:
a) the fanboys want Venom too much to ignore
b) add Venom and you get more toy sales
And so too many plot lines were forced to fit together, when the script was conceived to only accommodate one (with a little bit of a Harry Osbourne backstory).
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I can see that to a degree, but I do think Spidey has done heroic things. In the first movie, he risked his life to save the cartload of kids the Goblin had put in danger, as well as generally stopped the Goblin from running amok over the city. In the second, he did fight Doc Ock to save New York--the fact that he didn't know how to stop it isn't really a failure on his part. And in all three movies we do see him crime fighting and saving people, even at personal expense (particularly in the second film). I mean, he loses several jobs over it, his grades suffer, etc. Even in the third movie, where his grades improve, he's still obviously hurting for cash, at least until he gets the black suit and takes Eddie's job. Personally, I prefer that the risks in most of the movies aren't overwhelming. It's *possible* MJ will die, especially in the third film. It's *possible* Harry will die. It's *possible* a portion of the city will blow up, or people will be crushed by a falling skyscraper, etc. When an entire city is at stake, you know it's an empty threat in this kind of film. Sacrifices can be made, but the hero's *setting* isn't gonna be destroyed, y'know?Besides, on a moral level, I think it's in a way less heroic to save the whole city. I mean, it's more *important* to save the whole city, but risking your life for ten million people is the moral equivalent of a no-brainer. Losing your job, sacrificing your girl, and failing your favorite class to save a few strangers you don't know? That takes a little more courage.
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Should have jettisoned Harry altogether and focused on Sandman (THC was great but underused) and Peter with the symbiote suite (and use Venom at most as a cameo at the end). With everything going on, characters were abandoned for large sections of the movie. And, ****MINOR SPOILER****, how did Harry Convince MJ to break up with Peter so easily? I keep thinking there is a deleted scene where he says "Break up with Peter or I'll kill your dog" or something. As it plays in the movie, it doesn't make much sense.
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...on Spidey's heroism in the first two films. This point is emphasized when Peter Parker temporarily loses his powers in SM 2. Have yet to see 3, so don't know about that...
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Personally, I was consistently impressed by how cool Spidey looked tumbling around with the debris. I think one of the best things about the fight and action sequences was the way in which the director and the hero utilized the environment. As for loving soap operas, if they put in badass action sequences, a lot more humor, a great cast, fantastic visuals, and strong moral themes, I might, yeah. If you don't like soap opera elements in your comic book heroes, I hope to God you never read a single X-Men book, 'cause they out soap-opera Spidey any day of the week. Which is saying something, considering how full of soap Stan Lee Spidey was.
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Did we learn nothing from SUPERMAN III, people? People want to see their heroes actually being heroic, not acting like entitled celebrities one bad PR day before checking into rehab.
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turn Peter Parker into Spiderman. He knew this because there is a scene in the first film where he turns up at Peters appartment with Harry. Nornam asks can he have a look around and while doing so notices that blood dripping from the ceiling. He takes a swab and brings back to his Lab and that is when he discoveres, how he accidently created spiderman. So he spends the rest of the film trying to kill off his own creation and kills himself.
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...soap opera is what made Marvel Comics famous in the sixties. It's what set them apart from DC. Stan Lee wrote characters with personal problems and love lives and family issues. In fact, I believe for a while in the sixties, Marvel was in the business of making romance novel style comics, like True Love or somthing. Either way, I think Sam Raimi has been able to capture this Stan Lee-esque soap that was a big part of the sixties Spider-man storylines.
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Umm, no. Maybe you're thinking of the novelization? That didn't happen in the movie.
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At the very beginning, they show a magazine cover of Spidey with the headline:
NY (heart)'s Spider-Man!
$250 million and NO ONE catches that apostrophe? Pathetic!
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All they needed was Robert Duvall and Winona Ryder...
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Oh, wait, that was Godfather 3. Which missed being as gerat as the first two just barely when they replaced Duvall and Ryder with Sofia Coppola and George Hamilton. God3 was actually quite good on its own, as was Spidey. But it was only a few simple choices -- and a script finess here here and there -- from being great. But with no doubt four hundred mill in the workldwide coffers alerady, they can be forgiven if they respond the critics by saying they must';ve done something right. And they did, of cuorse. Plenty was right. It's just a shame to see it come so close creatively and miss by a hair.
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in Cumpston`s TB?
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...I was kinda disappointed with the movie. It wasn't as phenomenal as I wanted it to be, as I felt like it could have been. So really I have to thank the people who hated it so much, because my astonishment at that fact has made me feel really lucky to have had a movie that I did enjoy, even if it wasn't the seven-shades-of-awesome it could've been. So, hey. Thanks.
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There's so much of it that's right. Peter's miscommunication with the maitre d' as he's also not connecting emotionally with MJ, the former for laughs, the latter not -- emblematic of one of the core themes. THC as Flint. The well-done Sandman birth. Then there's Venom. Finally, Venom. Was there too much packed into the movie? Sure, but is that really a bad thing for a Spider-Man movie? I'll see it again.
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...remember *after* dorothy brought back tb, and after 5make5 brought back tb, then satanic feline also brought back tb... ikamono refused to canonise cat who was latecomer copy cat... but while ikamono, dorothy, 5makes5, are all gone away...look up on this page and see the cat is still there! why favor cat?
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he/she was lame and a tool. But no I have no interest in reading this TB. I glanced a few posts, and its all same shit since friday.
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...have posts been deleted? ...or did i see cat on different thread? maybe the monster squad dvd thread... which itself is mysteriously deleted?
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It all happened by accident, remember. One of the spiders escaped. Norman osbourne was an insane individual and a reckless one at that. He wouldnt listen when one of his own scientists warned him that the machine which which Turned Norman into the green goblin was unsafe. in his own insanity he thought he had created spiderman, when it was all accident. and anyway he wanted to take over the entire city. He was completely gaga. That was implication of the movie. At the end of the first Movie, when he and parker come face to face, he realises (in his own nutty way) that he created spiderman(he was a loon of course) so he kills himself. He would be a little loony if you went around causing havoc on a hover motor dressed like a power ranger.
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Though it never reaches the perfection that the second one had it was still immensely entertaining. The writing was uneven (plot contrivances, hokey dialogue) but the direction was still confident and the acting was as strong as ever. I will always appreciate the fact that this movie at least attempts to develop its characters, most in this genre don't even take that chance. So what if there's a lot of talking? Is that a sin? Its not like we were forced to listen to Wachowski style dialogue. Even when the dialogue was poor in this case at least there was some character to it. I prefer that to rhetoric or pseudo-philosophy anyday.
On a sidenote, Raimi's dislike for Venom is obvious throughout the whole picture, especially in the end. It's almost as if he resented putting him in the script so much (STOP READING IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT) he had to guarantee he wouldn't return for any sequels even if he isn't involved. I'll never understand why, Venom's a pretty rich character especially compared to Sandman and more visually compelling simply because we've seen the sand monster angle more than a couple of times now. Now in future installments all we have are B-listers from the rogue's gallery. -
You know what it felt like, it was like Raimi and crew had all been kicked off and the studio slapped it together with the best second rate rent a crew they could. I wanted to like this film, but when that building gets all smashed up with Gwen Stacy falling out, and Eddie brock (her boyfriend) just looks up and says "Oh... it's gwen" There was no reaction to a disaster taking place. And the father of gwen stacy actually giving a fuck that eddie brock is dating his daughter, while his daughter is dangling from a building... c'mon now. I know all these actors scenes were shot on different months but at least give them something Maybe it's explained better in the comics or something, but that meteorite and the black goo coming out.... what the fuck was that shit? Look, it could have worked had there been some sort of build to it, or even a really cool introduction - but it's just as simple as a rock crashes and out pops some alien greece? And whats witht he sand man? so he running along and he falls into... what? What exactly WAS this experiment with sand that was taking place. And whats with the scientists "The computer reads life" or some shit "It's probably a bird, it'll fly away" ........ It was all of these things that started to really make me HATE what i was seeing. After all this I knew it wasn't working. and it never really got it's footing back after that did it. I've seen POTC thrown around to compare to this film, and I have to agree. Pirates is all about the visuals and nothing else. this film had some amazing visual effects, but it always seems to cut in and out from amazing photographicly real to tv Commercial cartoon CGI. I was surprised that Chris Young can pull off action music, and his theme for sand man was classic Chris young.... but the hack job on this score was up there with Episode 2 & 3 in terms or reshaping and replacing. It was so obvious in ti's cuts from previously recorded Elfman, to new music, to chris youngs rendidtions of the elfman score. This film was supposed to be huge, and I thought all this time making it would prove to be a dream of a finished film. Oh well. I thought it was funny when Brock faked the black suite spiderman. Reminded me of the fake black suite picture that was on this site last year. coincidence? If not then how ironic that spiderman 3 was inspired by the fans here
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I know he was insane, I know he wanted to take over the city, etc. etc. But, seriously, in the movie there is *no* evidence Osborne paid for the spider exhibit or in any way "created" Spider-Man. Seriously, it's not in the film. They don't show it, Norman never says it, nothing. Again, maybe there was some spin-off fiction that retconned that or something, but it's not so much as hinted at in the film itself.
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1. Give Spidey a Giant Transforming Gundam Robot like in the Japanese series... only decorate with flames!!! 2. Spidey looked badass in black suit. Change color back to black... only to make more badass put nipples on breastplate of suit like Roman Gladiator (i always liked watching Movies about Gladiators) 3. In fact... give Spidey a whole range of different colored costumes!!! Maybe a heavily armored Golden Costume!!! Then they can make really cool action figures for each one!!! 4. The little boy who covered his eyes was right!!! Get rid of all the gay stuff with kissing dumb girls!!! 5. Kill. Aunt. May. nuff said 6. The villains have been so gloomy!!! There should be FUN colorful villains... I know!!! Bruce Campbell was so funny as that French guy... make him go insane from eating too much sugar and become an Evil French Pastry-Chef!!! He can attack Peter with pies! Everybody loves pie! Plus he'll be funny because he is French!!! 7. To get the young people interested Spidey needs to have a kid sidekick... a cute little black kid into hip hop music and break-dancing! 8. Dump that boring Tobey McGuire for somebody the kids can look up too. How about Michael Jackson? He hasn't been doing anything lately... 9. Instead of weird songs nobody's heard of being sung by lame ol Mary Jane (why does Spidey even NEED a girlfriend anyway?) there should be rap and heavy metal music videos every so often with randomly edited scenes from the movie... 10. Give Spidey a car!!! Maybe a dune-buggy! With flames!!!
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Don't forget to change his name. "Spider-Man" is so corny. Go with something badass, like... Spidercide! Only you gotta spell it wrong. Spydercide. Spydercyde. Spydersyde! There you go. And maybe throw in one of those cool non-letter symbols the kids love, with their IMs and their chats. Jerry Bruckheimer presents: Spyd3rsyd3 4: Spyd3rs With a Vengeance. BOOYA!
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Seriously. Spidey 3 DRAGS.
I could not stop yawning.
If this movie was 1 hour long, and one villain less, it would be OK.
JUST OK.
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to give Topher a well placed boot up the ass. I think the Eddie Brock/Vemon addition took too much away from the base story, and wasn't needed. Yes, if gave Peter Parker the income to dress like the lead singer of Fall Out Boy, but other than that we got the whole good Spidey/bad Spidey thing, without Venom. I like Topher Grace as an actor, I just couldn't buy any menace from him, even when covered with black licorice.
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Sam Raimi's probably not coming back so it crossed my mind as to what potential replacements there are. To be honest there aren't many who can fill his shoes as far as I'm concerned. So who's left?
Now as far as suggestions go try to exclude names that are from pure frickin fantasy (ie, James Cameron & Steven Spielberg) and try to be realistic.
My suggestion, and I know I'm going to get so much hate for this, is Ron Howard. Hear me out on this because his greatest strengths happen to fit those of the Spider-Man franchise. I find his best movies to be emotionally riveting and satisfying, pretty much why so many people love this franchise. It's not just the action sequences. Aside from The Grinch and Da Vinci Code Ron Howard has made some very rich films. Cinderella Man is one of the most uplifting films I've seen in years, Beautiful Mind is skillfully crafted it elevates itself above the standard bio-pic, and The Missing is woefully underrated in my book. I have rarely seen a western quite like that.
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I'd *love* to see Brad Bird give it a shot. He already proved he could make a fan-fucking-tastic Fantastic Four movie while Tim Story floundered, I think seeing him try a live-action Spider-Man would be great.
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The black suit came from the secret wars series back in the late 70's or early 80's where this entity known only as "the beyonder" transported all the super heros and super villains to another planet and forced them to fight eachother for his amusement. It was a 12 issue series... at some point during the story at the super heros base (provided by the beyonder). Thor finds a machine that gives him a new costume to replace his tattered and beaten one. Spidermans duds are trashed (as usual) and he asks thor about the origins of his new costume. Thor tells him about a magnificent machine in the next room. All you have to do is think about what you want and Bam! new costume. So as the story goes spiderman goes to the wrong machine and ends up with the black costume. He attributes the look of the costume to Spiderwoman... she had a black and white costume at the time and somewhere in his sub-consious he thought up one that looked like hers. After the battle ends in a stalemate with Magneto tricking the beyonder they all get transported back home. Where after a couple weeks the suit begins to take control of peter. In the cartoon an astronaut brought the suit (black goo) back with him and it finds peter. In the newer Ultimate Spiderman comics Peters dad and Eddy Brocks dad created the suit in a lab (yeah weird right?). So in order to fit this damn black suit into a 2hr 20min movie the bastard thing just falls out of the sky. Oh well I mean something had to happen and they just wanted to wrap it up.
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While watching the overbearing peter MJ hysteria at the beginning of the Film: Spiderman 3: Battle of the Attention Whores.
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First of all, if you haven't seen the movie yet soak up all these bad reviews. I guarantee you will enjoy it a lot more expecting a sack of shit rather than expecting the second coming, which I think a lot of you early viewers may well have done.
It has it's cheesy moments but I think that is also true of the first two.
The most jarring element of the movie is the fact that piling up all these bad guys in one movie removes the layer of realism that seemed to be in the first two movies. Even though Green Goblin, Doc Ock et al are well beyond the realms of reality, in Sam Raimi's hands it seemed like it was our world up there on the screen. Alien symbiotes from space and giants made from sand fling this movie right back into the comic book and immediately remove a connection from the viewer. In a way it's almost a betrayal. However, pacing aside this is an enjoyable third instalment of the same franchise that in retrospect will be better received once the shock of the reveal of the extent of its true comic book colors has worn away.
As for Venom, I got the sense when watching this movie that this was a subtle F You to the suits who forced Raimis hands... As if he had to put him in just to shut them up. 'I said we would get to the character eventually. But if you want Venom. Fine... HERE!' (Final fight scene, credits roll) 'Happy Now?'
PS I love in this movie the way that Raimi leaves the door open for quitea few A list villains to return. Check out that poster in the background by JJ Jamesons head in the daily bugle scene for example...
And (SPOILER Kind of)
(Don't read this until you have seen the movie)
Even Venom is given a way back in of sorts. Brock refers to himself as Eddie Brock JR, there is a sample of the symbiote left in the lab... Maybe once the franchise has changed hands we will see a Dark Night Returns esque Venom in the guise of Eddie Brock Sr...
Or less interestingly that sample opens the door for carnage...
(END SPOILER)
I think Raimi just wanted to concentrate on the characters he was interested in and couldn't do that until we got to see Venom. I consider this incarnation to be merely the pre cursor of a bigger story yet to be told. Kind of a reverse of the goblin story.
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were going to hug it out at the end, and the end of this movie was meh, and my wife looked at me and said "Really, that's how it ends?"
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However, I evaluate these films on the merits of being a Spider-Man film FIRST, and then a competent Sam Raimi movie SECOND. In the first, they fail. Like I said, Raimi does manage to get some things right, so you really want to like it, but I am not cutting the guy some slack for making an entertaining movie when he makes Peter Parker look unheroic.
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a lot of elements of the Spider-Man movies seem horor movie referential this way, Raimi being a horror guy and all...
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You have internal dialogue, you are in the character's head the whole time. Is it necessary in a feature film and to this degree? No, it's actually a poor waste of resources when you have 2 hours to tell a meaningful story in. Make a superhero movie already. I thought all of the action scenes had some very good moments, although GGII's costume is still stupid and I still dislike the Harry/Peter fight in the beginning. It seemed pointless to have it go that long. Again, a poor use of money to extend that scene when all that needed to happen was to injure Harry badly enough to give him short-term amnesia. I liked the creative camera work with the first Sandman fight. That was actually the best executed action sequence in the film.
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Think you're on to something with the Spyd3rsyd3 thing. In fact, you could make the whole thing take place in cyber-world. His nickname could also be CyberSpyd3r and his hq is the Webpage, and uses bugs as his weapon of choice. His main adversary is some twisted version of himself called Virus69. omg, i smell blockbuster. lol. :)
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I'm not really sure Spider-Man's the character you want him to be. His stories and his character have always been about the fact that he's a fairly average guy with fairly average problems thrust into power and responsibility beyond the average. I mean, his first story, his origin, is all about how he makes a horrendous, unheroic mistake. He's not Superman, or Batman, or Captain America. A huge part of his appeal is that he has money problem, girl problems, he gets picked on, his boss is a jerk, etc. etc. If a Spider-Man movie didn't have soap opera and moral ambiguity, I don't think it's be staying true to what made the character more popular than the golden age DC guys at the time.
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He'd be GREAT.
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Anybody see Inside Man? Owen could pull it off. He could grow the facial hair, pump some iron, and hunt the bug in 2009 (with the Lizard by his side, of course). I've heard people try and promise S4 will be the Lizard and Carnage (to make up for Venom in this one), but I think it's time Kraven steps up to bat and Spidey goes hard. Just one geek's opinion.
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Niiiiice. I love how you've taken the concept and updated it for the 21st century. Generation Y will go crazy.
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his personal problems, but he is a hero through and through in how he responds to them. He does not respond the way most people would - he doesn't take the easy way out. That's the lesson he learns when he remains on the sidelines and his Uncle is killed. You know what else was ridiculous and kind of pissed me off? That Peter would have that dopey look on his face believing Aunt May would have wanted revenge on Sandman. That Aunt May would want Peter to MURDER Sandman (which he attempted to do without a doubt). Does anyone think that Peter would not be sure about this particular character value instilled in him at this point it the game? Give me a break.
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I like the character, I like the concept, but I have to say, I've never understood how this guy beat Spider-Man so badly. I know he had a serum at one point that made him stronger, but Spidey has taken out plenty of normal human super-fighters with ease before (was Kraven really that much more badass than Daredevil? *really*?)Personally, I'd like to see Terrence Stamp come in as the Vulture in the next one, and hire a couple of heavies to act as goons. Rhino, Scorpion, Shocker, folks like that who don't need any backstory or real characterization, just need to show up to stand in the way.
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--he had to learn a lesson. He's not, by nature, a moral paragon, he makes mistakes and learns from them. That's great, he's a great guy, but he's not incapable of being selfish, or inconsiderate, or making the wrong choice.As for him thinking May would be happy to see Sandman dead, I can believe that. I doubt he'd expect May to go out and get him herself, but plenty of people believe in the death penalty--and in his view he was doing what the authorities couldn't. Consumed as he was by anger at Sandman, I can see why he'd think Aunt May would feel the same way.
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are directors from animation backgrounds. Bird is one guy, Gendy tartoksoky is another. Savage steve holland. John dykstra and these guys need to form a company with Paul Dini. That would make kick ass and interesting comic book movies.
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saw spidey 3 today. awful. end of discussion.
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But Pete was wearing the black suit when he expected May to welcome Sandman's death. In his 'revenge-fog', he assumed she'd be down with revenge, too.
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Phew, I was wondering when you'd get here to tell us all what to think. God knows how long we might've discussed differing ideas on the movie if you hadn't been here to end the discussion! :)
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and they way in which Gen. Stacy, I thought it was some sort of setup on behalf of harry osbourne. Who had become twisted with hate that he used his fathers contacts to hunt down spiderman. but I was wrong. and way off.
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Actually, Captain Stacy died before Gwen in the comics, and Gwen distrusted Spider-Man for his part in her father's death. Would've been a nice angle to see in the movies, but it could still be coming.
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It'd be pretty much a repeat of the Harry issue at this point. Ah well.
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Way better than Clive Owen.
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No way in hell Spidey should be able to beat Sandman. Sandman rules!
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No way in hell Spidey should be able to beat Sandman. Sandman rules!
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Spidey walks up to Glassman, flicks him with his Spidey finger and Glassman breaks. Glassman officially get pwned.
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arguement than murder-revenge. Parker himself has never been morally ambiguous.
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people wanted it tied into the continuity of the previous film where they went to the point of introducing Col. Jameson and the symbiote comes from space - a natural fit. Perhaps too close to the Superman plane rescue to do, but I think that would've been a much more dynamic opening without a doubt.
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Also, people say "Oh it just happens to land next to Peter" well guess what? Oh, the super spider just happened to escape. It just happened to bite Peter. He just happened to become Spider-Man at the time that Osborn became the Green Goblin. People are getting pissed about coincidences in a comic book universe? THE ENTIRE COMIC BOOK UNIVERSE IS BASED ON COINCIDENCES!!! I agree with WeinerPenis.
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Is it? Most people who support the death penalty do so because they believe that killers "deserve" to die. That's what Peter thought, at least he did under the influence of the black suit. It's not like he could bring Sandman in to face trial.And Parker has *certainly* been morally ambiguous in the comics. He's debated killing people before, Carnage for one, who he believed to be too dangerous to live. While he decided against it, he didn't have a symbiote egging him on at the time. And he's given up being Spider-Man on more than one occasion in the comics. Not to mention that he constantly lied to Gwen while they were dating, even continuing to date her without revealing his identity knowing that she hated Spider-Man. And let's not forget the whole dating-the-Black-Cat who robbed people for kicks. Then there was the "I am the Spider" period, where he nearly beat the Scorpion to death even though Scorpion begged for mercy.Look, Petey gets emotional, he screws up, he has to learn things. It's how he is, it's how he's always been. The suit amplified that, and the result wasn't good. I think it fits his character just fine.
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Saw it opening night (morning) and then saw it again on Friday night. Enjoyed it the first time. Even better the second time around. The theater was roaring with laughter at the cornball shit, the girls were crying at the sob stuff, and people were really into all the fights. Great flick to see with a big crowd. Venom was definitely shoe-horned into the movie and it shows from a story standpoint. The effects were great. My wife knows nothing about Spider-Man and had no problem following all the stuff going on. Good summer flick. Thumbs up!
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One thing I really enjoyed about this movie was the use of the environment in the action sequences. I love the different ways Spidey uses falling debris, passing cars, etc. to build momentum, change directions, etc. etc. This is really apparent in the first big fight, but maybe even more so in the crane rescue and the first Sandman chase (as they're so brightly lit, and enjoy some slower shots). I really enjoy watching creative uses of superpowers, and the combination of web-slinging and agility in this flick is frickin' dynamite.
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Based on all the negative reviews....but then I went, saw the flick, looked over and saw Kurt Russell laughing pretty hard so I guess it was ok. He is basically the ultimate barometer for anything.
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Especially the overpraised Spiderman 2, which is a very simplistic, mad scientist-miscalculates-turns-bad and tries-to-blow-up-the-city-but-spiderman-has-to-save-the-day-and rescue-Mary Jane story. Very well done, but not exactly multi-levelled. I watched S2 before going to the theatre for S3 and was quite shocked by how boring a lot of it was- and Aunt May's 'hero' speech made me want to puke. S3 didn't pull it's punches. The action rocked, the characters all had an arc (and a tragic one), and Peter Parker -after being relentlessly shit upon by every fucker all throughout S2- finally goes to the dark side and tells everyone to fuck off. Glorious! The only problem was the rushed introduction of venom and the OTT CGI of Sandman. Otherwise- Spidey 3 kicked more ass than the first two combined.
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Spider-Man 2 was better than Spidey's 1 and 3. Spider-Man 2 is the single greatest superhero film made since Superman: The Movie. I know it's hard to hear but look at rottentomatoes, IMDB, and yahoo movies which polls critics and users and all say the same. Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man 1 > Spider-Man 3.
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Yes, a good back story is required to make you care about the characters, it just seemed this movie was a soap marathon with some CGI (mostly second rate) scenes shoehorned in. If I pay to see a movie called 'SPIDERMAN' I just at least expect to see the guy in the title a lot more than I did. Oh wait! I geddit, it's like that TV show Lois & Clark......
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its really funny to me. "everyone in my theatre loved it...everyone was clapping and laughing and at one point we all stood up and the entire theatre held hands like hands across america...there was no black no white no gay no straight just spiderman 3 lovers..seriously we were all laughing and loving it as one" give me a break...
the theatre I saw it in well a few people clapped...there were a few nervous tittersduring the lame brained dance scenes....their was a gasp when she kissed harry and a another when peter hit her...a few people booed and another guy yelled out "what the fuck was that" when it finished and a few peoplelaughed at him and another guy told him to shut up.....there was no way to tell what the entire fucking room thought. my guess was some people hated it and some people loved but spare us these fucking bullshit stories about communal fucking love ins. horseshit. -
Lois and Clark = Romantic Comedy---Spider-Man 1, 2, 3 = Action Adventure. I'm sorry that the filmmakers didn't cater to your specific needs. I'm sorry that they actually developed the character of Peter Parker and actually developed his relationship with Mary Jane. Hell, you must be pissed at Superman: The Movie for doing the exact same thing as Spider-Man. Did you also get pissed at Batman Begins because of how little Batman was actually in the film?
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That's my moving going right biatch! I've seen better effects. I expect something better from a 300 million dollar movie. Oooh! I bad mouthed a movie F/Xs teams. They work hard. So does a fucking janitor I'm still gonna say they smell. Boo freakity Hoo! You're like that character on MADTV who defends actors, movies and TV shows with extreme passion. Hahaha! ----->Reznik
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Does this mean I'm about to get Pwnd? Hahaha!
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why did the Sandman (when he was a giant) not take on a more human form? It seemed odd. Spidey came off somewhat cartoony like the first. Venom was well done, save for the voice and not saying "WE."
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Uh, huh? Of course he could. Spidey cooperates with the cops the same way Batman does, which is all the time. Spidey may have weighed the decision (as all superheroes do) of killing because more lives will be lost by not doing so. That is not the same as revenge-murder, either. The death penalty based on a trial and evidence is not the same thing as revenge-murder.
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Spidey could bring him in and possibly bring about the death of Sandman's daughter, or realize that his Uncle Ben is dead and he can't change that, but the little girl can still be save.
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My problem with the film is that I saw no real effort in the making of the film. The shots looked alright, the effects were average, and the story was bloated. So the movie as a whole was OKAY. Which, in my opinion, is totally unacceptable given the history of the first two films. Spiderman 3 is not an "average" summer film, so I expect more. I remember Dafoe's Goblin and Molina's Doc Ock. Who was the Sandman again? and what exactly was his part in the movie? And Venom? Wow, talk about burrying a great villain. From top to bottom, just a really poor effort.
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..to the negative kicking SM3 has been getting by a lot of us fans. Like in 6 months time or so, when the dust has settled. I just hope the first reporter to interview him asks the right questions.
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..to the negative kicking SM3 has been getting by a lot of us fans. (And deservedly so, imo. The only thing missing from this movie was a scene with red and green traffic-light guys having a punch-up, that wouldn't have been totally out of place...) Like in 6 months time or so, when the dust has settled. I just hope the first reporter to interview him asks the right questions.
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Who and where did the rumor start that Bruce would be Quentin Beck aka Mysterio?
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Seriously guys, have we all become so used to summer shit that garbage like this actually strikes some of us as worthy? Jesus, what a waste of 350 million dollars.
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slappy made me happy.
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Okay, what? How is he going to bring in the SANDMAN to face trial? Handcuffs? A prison cell? When he's made of *sand*? Sure.And that *May* be the case with Carnage, but you're totally ignoring all the other morally ambiguous moments I mentioned, in particular beating Scorpion within an inch of his life despite his pleas for mercy. This stuff is in the comics, Parker can be too emotional, and he can make bad calls. And no, the Death Penalty is NOT the same as vigilante killings, but it is motivated by the same thing. Spidey's facing a guy who hurt his uncle, and who is now more or less immune to law enforcement. *And* he's having his mind warped by an alien symbiote. Cut the guy a break, Jesus.
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We are the ones who make a brighter day, so let's start giving to the box office! *cue Michael Jackson*
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are incarcerated? Get real! Also, giving the guy a thorough ass kicking is not the same as killing him, either. And the Scorpion deserves an ass kicking for that costume alone.
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girl get treatment. Surely Mr. Celebrity NYC has some pull with the local children's hospital? Actually, that would've been a MUCH cooler way to end the film than him dancing with MJ after smacking her around after raiding Jared Leto's wardrobe.
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1: This isn't the Marvel Universe. We've seen nothing in any of these movies about supervillain incarceration. Are you saying Raimi should've spent time informing the audience that there are super-prisons in Spider-world now so that Petey can be more heroic, despite the fact that this would contrast with the themes of the film? Come on! That would *not* make it a better movie.
2: You're right, killing someone and nearly killing someone aren't the same thing, but you're telling me that beating a guy to the brink of death while he begs for help isn't morally ambiguous? And at that point the fact he didn't die was more luck than anything else--you beat someone to the point where ribs start snapping and they lose consciousness, and there's no way to guarantee they're gonna survive. Pete was having a hard time in his life and he flipped out and turned into a brutal, angry young man. Add a symbiote to the mix, and this is a scenario that won't be pretty. -
felt so bad about his "choices". They could've made a joke about "How are we going to hold this guy?" or something, but saying that it is physically impossible and takes too much explanation is seriously a lame excuse, old chum. 2. Losing your temper and premeditated murder are two different things, man. Peter's black costume didn't turn him into a sociopath that raided Jared Leto's closet in the comic books. But I'm sure Marvel will bring that back and then have Parker kill someone so we all know this ain't your daddy's Spider-Man.
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Wolverine's throat when she finds Peter into her eyeliner again? The New NEW Avengers.
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Sorry, but what starts with one becomes many and then people will want Spider-Man to make appearances at special fundraisers like Brain Cancer and Lung Cancer, but when Spider-Man makes the Brain Cancer fund raiser and not the Lung Cancer fund raiser, people are going to be pissed and then rag on Spider-Man. Sorry, he just can't do that.
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neck out for someone's dying daughter. Or rather, the taxpayer neck, but New Yorkers love paying taxes anyway, so no prob.
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In the Animated Series, Peter nearly killed Rhino by almost bringing a brick wall down on top of Rhino.
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like say Booster Gold might be. I don't see and have never seen Spider-Man making appearances at fund raisers to help people. He ain't got time for that.
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like say Booster Gold might be. I don't see and have never seen Spider-Man making appearances at fund raisers to help people. He ain't got time for that.
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damn you
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Or was it a real Rhino and not the supervillain.
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I apologize it was a large piece of thick metal and not a brick wall. And yet, when Rhino is left begging for his life, Peter takes a step back. Yeah, the suit turns him psychotic. The Animated Series showed it great with his change of attitude and his change of voice.
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1: If Sandman had turned himself in, he wouldn't have been able to help his daughter, and he wouldn't have been able to be with her if she hadn't survived. He may be sorry for killing Ben, but that doesn't mean he's willing to go to prison and abandon his daughter. 2: The point is that Spidey was put in a position where he wanted revenge, and this was magnified by the suit, and he had no way of achieving it in the film short of killing the guy. This fits in with the themes of the film much better than tacking in something about super-prisons. And it doesn't take away from Pete's heroism, because he was distraught, had few options, and was under the influence of an an alien parasite. It's not the kind of thing he would have normally done, and he proved it by trying to save Eddie instead of nuking him with the symbiote. (didn't work out, but that was Eddie's fault, not Peter's). It works dramatically with the themes of the movie a lot better than Pete being Superman and never doing anything morally questionable. 3: No, the Symbiote didn't make him do that in the comics, but it fit the movie better if it did here. Doc Ock wasn't a nice guy in the comics, either, but it fit the movie a lot better in film 2. 4: Who says this was premeditated murder? He certainly intended to go after him, but we don't know that he was planning on *killing* him until he got there and faced him. And even if he was considering it, the suit was influencing him. 5: You said Parker never did anything morally questionable in the comics, and that's clearly not true. In the movies they took that, and amplified it with the symbiote to make a more compelling story. I don't see why that's a problem.
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Spider-Man kills the Sandman in this movie, he's just not very competent at it.
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....you all make me sick. Anyone who shits on Spidey 3 could do well to remember just how shit a sequel CAN REALLY be. Anyone remember The Matrix sequels? No? Exactly. Not forgetting Star Wars had ROTJ, Indiana Jones had The Temple Of Doom, Back To The Future had Part 3. All supposed 'weak link's in an otherwise perfect chain. Spider-Man 3 gave us what the previous two movies lacked - Spider-Man action on an epic scale. At 2.5 hours, it did an admiral job of squeezing in 3 villians plus Parkers internal struggle, while STILL finding time to carry on the Peter/MJ/Gwen storyline. Now, there were clangers - the convenient meteorite crash, Harry's butler...but cut it some slack, huh? The level of dramatic weight these movies bring far outstrips that of any other comic-book movie, and the love Raimi has for the material is obvious. Just take into consideration the details, the little things...like bringing Cliff Robertson back TWICE just for flashbacks, and the same for Dafoe. Lesser movies in lesser hands would not have bothered. Ok, if the movie didn't meet your personal expectations then you have my sympathy, but Spider-Man 3 is a solid, exciting and commendable movie and has created the best superhero trilogy we have ever had. Next time you feel like bitching about this film, just take a moment to consider how it COULD have been if Raimi had not got the job. Would you really have been happier if James Cameron had done it in the 90s? With his corny writing? (Abyss, Titanic)..or maybe you'd have preferred it that this franchise was in the hands of Brett Ratner? Or Michael Bay?? Things don't look so bad now, do they?
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I would even disagree that it's not okay to whine about the convenience of the meteorite because the entire Spidey films and comic books even are based on convenience. Convenient that at the time Parker goes to the lab, a single spider has escaped, and Parker's the one that is bitten. Convenience that he is created at the exact same time as Green Goblin is created.---Also, Raimi made history by becoming the first director to helm 3 movies of the same superhero franchise. Donner, Burton, Singer, etc. cannot claim that.
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Thank you. All very good points, and it's nice to see some positivity for a change!
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Seeing how some folks out there think its very likely Carnage will be in part 4 would someone please enlighten me as to what this character is all about? I'm only vaguely familiar with him and as far as I know he was just a murderous psycho. Was there anything else? Was he more complex or he is he strictly 2-dimensional?
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didn't want to go to jail. 2. Murdering someone makes you definitely less heroic, considering that while under the influence, he was clearly depicted as being capable of resisting it. Is it okay to kill people under the influence of other things? Nope. 3. Making Doc a sympathetic villain was not an improvement, it was actually not very believable. Neither was making Parker a murderer. 4. Yes, he was biting at the bit to kill the guy, this came out in his discussion with May. He thought she would be happy about it. 5. Never said Peter didn't dance up to the line - he just never crossed it into unheroic.
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Pretty 2D. A raving psychotic mass-murderer gets a more powerful version of the Venom symbiote. So he goes and mass-murders people.
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Seeing as all the villains to date have had a personal connection to Parker (Sandman contrivance included), surely the next villain has to be The Lizard? I mean, he's right there! Him and Electro would be cool, I guess.
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devices and didn't try to kill him. Thankfully, Harry was there at the end to show Spidey how to be a hero. Phew.
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1: Yeah, I agree, and Green Goblin shouldn't have killed all those investors. All movies should portray the moral solution to any situation, rather than providing conflict. 2: What sort of other things? It's not like he'd been drinking, this was a powerful alien symbiote. And it amplified revenge emotions--it's going to be a lot harder to resist when he's *not* feeling that much aggression and vengeance. And he was feeling a lot more of it against Marko than against MJ. 3: What? Why was that not believable? Maybe you don't understand this, but good people, even the best people, can do awful things under the wrong circumstances. It's the truth. good people can do awful, evil things, when the wrong buttons are pushed, it's a shame, but so it is. And you're telling me that the self-forgiveness and denial of vengeance themes of the film would've been better served if Peter had been a nice guy the whole time? Yeesh. 4: He was still wearing the suit at that point, his judgment was in question. Also, this was AFTER he'd done it, if he felt guilt he was probably working hard to avoid it. 5: So beating a man who's begging for mercy to the point where he could've died had he not been lucky is heroic? Guess we have different definitions.
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Regarding Venom...Some people say that when he threw the bomb into the symbiote and Brock went in, some people say that they saw Brock's bones and saw him disintegrate. Me, I didn't. I believe that when Brock dove back in, he escaped with the Venom symbiote. Only a portion of the suit remained and that was what was burning.
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What up, drewlicious? I'm sure someone's going to get to your Carnage question, so I'm going to throw a different question out there - HOW WOULD CARNAGE WORK IN THIS MOVIE SERIES? That for me is the only important question to ask when it comes to a movie franchise. Honestly, fuck all how the character is treated in the comics. First off, there are a million different comics with a million different writers, and there's seldom going to be ONE true manifestation of a classic comic book character, especially one that's been around for half-a-century or so. Secondly, if the character doesn't work naturally within the story-world created by the director, then it doesn't matter two-fucks whether the character is "true" to its origins. The movie will suck, and Spider-Man 3 sucks when it starts throwing in random crap that doesn't fit within the story-world that Raimi established in the first two films. My God, why in crap's name does Peter Parker need to become Super-Duper-Strong, or whatever, to suddenly have a crisis of character? One guy just happens to get bit by the world's only radioactive spider ... and THEN he's the host for the world's first extraterrestrial visitor? Why not hit him with a Gamma Bomb next so that he becomes ULTRA-SUPER-DUPER STRONG ... to the MAX!!! Crimminey, he didn't need black goo to want revenge on the man who killed his Uncle, or to get sick of Harry trying to kill him and ruin his relationship with MJ. The first two films emphasized Peter's human dimension, his personal flaws and short-comings. It would have made perfect sense to see the guy snap if pushed too far, if only to learn a real lesson about responsibility. (Oh, oh - watch out, are we veering too far from the "true comic origins"? Spider-Man with a vengeful strength? Spider-Man who maybe loses his temper every now and then?) I thought Venom sucked in the film because he was obviously tacked on, no matter whether he was "true to the comic origin." That's not to say he couldn't have been woven in organically into Raimi's vision, but that didn't happen this time. Honestly, there's no single element of the film that I didn't like on its own (and fuck everyone, the dancing scene is one of the best in the film - it's fun and it's what all y'all look like when YOU get drunk or high and start to think you're hot shit when you're actually a complete loser) but The Black Goo From Beyond the Stars comes out of nowhere and it's a big, worthless distraction. It doesn't work in the movie, considered independently from the comic source material, and that's what's most important for my $10.
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If you liked Spiderman 1 and 2, it has everything you got in those films and everything you could want and more. It has all the action (Spiderman and New Goblin vs. Venom and Sandman is one of the coolest things I've ever seen in a superhero film), the comedy (Jameson, Bruce Campbell), and the drama you could ever want. This and Sam Raimi's direction is what sets them apart and made the first films great. Sure it's not without a flaw, some of it is under-written, this is possibly due to editing and time, but it's never confusing. This sets it below Spiderman 2, but it's above Spiderman 1 for sure.
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1.) Green Goblin (Norman) - the goblin gas which made him go insane heals him. I expect him to be healed and come back. 2.) Doc Ock - in Spider-man 3, on JJJ's wall it read "DOC OCK SIGHTED" which means he didn't drown. 3.) New Goblin (Harry) - see Number 1. 4.) Sandman - flew away through the air - not dead. 5.) Venom - suit escaped with Brock before bomb went off.
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1: Dunno if it would've done anything. I mean, it makes you super, but who says it'll make you MORE super if you do it again? And Spidey probably didn't know where it was, he didn't see it until later.2: Bones and muscles only scar internally, they may've scarred as bad as his face, but we'd never know. 3: It definitely looked like Eddie was dead, but the symbiote could easily have escaped, and as it's a bit of a shape-shifter, and is capable of bonding with people, it might've saved his life and made it look like he was dying. 4: Yeah, the movie was a bit full, a couple more villain scenes wouldn't have been amiss.
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He was acting like a villain. Sandman acted like a villain but didn't want you to view him as one. 2. You're right, we should let people out of jail who commit violent crimes on drugs or alcohol because they weren't in control. 3. Dance at the line, don't cross it. Spidey isn't just like us, he's supposed to be better (although having similar everyday problems and hardships). 4. He should feel bad for what he did and fortunate he didn't commit murder. 5. No, it's not heroic. But it's not murder, either. Of course there is a line.
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I think the reason they cut back so much was that they were worried about what happened with Grindhouse. They didn't want to have the film suffer from being so long.
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I'm not a purist when it comes to these sort of things, that's not what I'm getting at. I'd much rather have a great movie that screws with the character origins than a bad movie that remains faithful. You didn't hear me bitchin' when Mystique never came out as Rogue's stepmother in the X-men series because it would have served absolutely no purpose. Those movies had so much to juggle being that faithful would have served as nothing more than a distraction.
What I want to know is what kind of information will the writer draw from if he has to use that character. If he's just a psychopath I hope they stray way off that path and give us something more interesting.
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to the comic book version. I also wouldn't mind seeing Brock back. He could've just been completely bonded with the symbiote who could have survived - a pumpkin bomb wouldn't kill something that could exist in space and survive in impact piggybacking on a meteor. Sandman was visually great looking (actor as a wonderfully expressive face), but the dumb backstory dragged him down. He could've been more fun cut loose as a straight-up villain. Hey, maybe they can all team up for 4 and teach Spidey the real meaning of heroism?
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1: And a character in a movie can't be wrong or present a point of view or set of priorities different than your own? 2: Wow, did you totally miss the point where I said that the alien symbiote was different than drugs or alcohol? This is clearly a lot more powerful than drugs, as drugs don't let you, y'know, kick Spider-Man's ass like Venom did. 3: That doesn't make his actions (or doc Ock's) less believable, only more human. And in this case, he did what he did while being possessed by an alien parasite--a more-than-human influence for a more-than-human character. It sounds to me like your problem is not that Peter wasn't heroic enough, but that the writers put him in this nasty situation. Which, y'know, I guess that's fine, but it's not really what you're arguing. 4: Yeah, he should, and probably did when he took the damn suit off. In fact, that's *why* he took the suit off, because May reminded him of that. 5: So if he'd been a little less lucky and Scorpion *had* died, he would have been morally worse, even though his actions were exactly the same? Hmm...
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I'm not the type who's big into heroes that kill people. It bothered me that Batman killed people in Burton's movies. It bothered me that Daredevil killed people in Daredevil. Hell, it even kinda bothered me that Peter seemed so callous at the death of the guy who he thought had killed Uncle Ben in Spidey 1. But in this case, he's got an alien possessing him (which, by the way, was so powerful it caused him to fugue on a previous occasion). He's not going to act rationally in this situation. Again, sounds to me like you're more upset at the filmmakers for doing that to him than not making him heroic enough.
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superheroes. It would've been less troublesome for me if Sandman had turned himself in or if Spider-Man had attempted to apprehend him. Spider-Man forgave him, but what about the rest of the people Sandman's action affected. Bad message. 2. A metaphor is a metaphor. 3. Spider-Man doesn't kill and then go "I've done some terrible things myself." Sheesh. What a message to send. The fact that it was cartoonish doesn't change the fact he murdered the Sandman to the best of his ability. Thankfully, Spidey just isn't a good enough killer. 4. They showed him doing plenty of things that didn't involve murder and accidentally hitting his girlfriend that should have been more than enough to make him feel bad about his change in character. They went too far. 5. I don't know, but I'm sure the writer of the Scorpion story had no intention of Spider-Man actually killing Scorpion, only the trauma caused by him losing control and then Peter doing the HEROIC thing and coming to his senses. They did that here AFTER he attempted murder. A little different.
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made him behave that way - it makes him less heroic. They are completely tied together.
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It's about pushing the envelope and blurring the line between hero and villain, all based on your feelings, not right and wrong. Hopefully Captain America will hug a Nazi and cheat on his girlfriend, you know, because that's what we'd all do.
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The one on the street in Spiderman 2 who sang a tortured version of the old Spiderman theme song. My wife said she'd go see the third one with me if I could definitely promise her that lady wasn't going to turn up again. Can someone provide me with an answer? Thanks in advance.
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Is that a fair trade? You tell me...
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Again, at that point, what was Spidey gonna do? He turned into a sandstorm and blew away. 2: And that affects what I said... how? There are degrees of loss of control. You do something illegal while drunk, you're accountable. You do something illegal while *under mind control* you are *not* accountable. 3: Pete forgave himself for the bad things he did because if he'd moped around loathing himself he wouldn't have been able to put them right. I think that *is* a good message, actually. 4: Two different instances, how is this relevant? 5: You're right, the writer didn't intend him to kill the Scropion--but Spidey sure didn't know that. He beat a guy to the point where the guy could've died. even if he didn't inted to murder, he didn't seem to care if he did. And, again, this is *without the symbiote* messing with his mind. 6: But Pete didn't behave that way due to a failing of his character--the suit turned kind-of-a-dick Eddie Brock into a raving psychotic, it speaks marvelously of Pete's character that he didn't turn into the Punisher then and there.
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Sounds like going from bad to worse.
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The sandman effects had more in common with Kitty Litter than sand. The final shot of the movie should have been a cat crapping in it's litter box and the camera focuses in on the litter as it slowly starts moving. Oooh scary. Roll credits!
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we could leak the ORIGINAL sm3 script that they had right after they finished sm2...
and Reznik, if you think im trolling fine, i can accept that you like sm3, i found it to be a lacking 3rd installment, ill just leave it at that.
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After reading the forums and this site, I was expecting a crapfest with horrible acting and editing and that I'd walk away with the same hole in my gut I had when I walked out of any of the most recent Star Wars flicks (save Ep 3).
But I have to say...I've seen Spidey 3 twice in the last 24 hours and wow...I LOVE THIS MOVIE. I don't know what all the complaining is about. The acting is sharp. The action was good. The story and script were strong. The score was beautiful. This is a movie about more than just fanboys needs for spidey vs. venom. Love, forgiveness, redemption. Handled all very well. This might be my favorite Spidey movie. I loved the humor too..the dance scene? Classic Raimi. And it DID work. That was geeky Peter's dark side that the symbiote brought out...disco dancing. James Franco's goofy acting...perfect for the role. Kirsten was spot on. Tobey was spot on. I feel like I saw a totally different movie from most of you. I absolutely love it. 3 1/2 out of 4. In this case I'm glad I read the forums because I thought it was going to be HORRIBLE based on what I read here and rottentomatoes. Wow, was I totally and pleansantly surprised. -
look like house party 2
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blood. The symbiote enhances what's already there according to the film itself. It said what it said about Spidey. You can call that a mistake, but I think it's far more significant than that. Then of course they have Sandman live so they can get away with what they implied, and then show the entire city including kids cheering for him in the final battle. Sort of twisted in my opinion. I'm soooo glad he could forgive himself. We can go on about this forever, but I am not cool with making superheroes just like the rest of us. I've never even murdered anyone or backhanded someone.
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Murdered in cold blood? Hardly. Murdered while blinded by vengeance. Murdered while under the influence of an aggression-enhancing symbiote. And yes, it DOES enhance what's already there--but anyone is *capable* of killing. Even Superman. If a character was totally free of the capacity for violence, how could they be a superhero who goes around punching people out to save the day? It screwed with his head and it turned him into something he wouldn't have been otherwise. It doesn't make him like "the rest of us"--if he had been, he probably would've ended up more like Brock.
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When going to see Superhero movies, I expect struggles with the villans. In this case, Venom should have been a villan that Spiderman could not beat, the confrontation was a joke. Sandman, obviously could whip Spiderman and simply gave up.
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Congrats to Raimi and Co., but still, Spidey 3 must be the most financially successful bad movie of all time. Hunh.
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That excludes murder which is what took place here, under the influence of the symbiote. Peter saw what the water did to him and got more water and then remarked he was glad he was dead. He killed him. People go to prison for attempting to kill people - you know that, right? It was nice at the end of the movie that two killers could forgive each other.
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Not as good as Spiderman 2...now let's move on.
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Nah. It hasn't beaten Titanic yet.
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What is your problem with accepting how screwy the symbiote made him? It's just stubborn of you to equate something that had a conscious will, spontaneously induced a fugue-like state in a host, had more power than Spider-Man, and turned a guy who was kind of a prick into a ravenous murderer as "like drugs or alcohol". Peter didn't get drunk and go a killin', he didn't even know how the suit affected him at this point, he was the superhero equivalent of temporarily insane.
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right before he gets the symbiote. And then after he bonds with it - he wants to kill Parker. Yeah, you're not really helping your case here.
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He didn't know Parker was the symbiote then, if he really wanted to kill Parker he'd have done it himself. Which, incidentally, is exactly what he did when he got the suit--even putting innocent people in danger to get to him, not to mention Harry and MJ. It changed him, and it changed Peter, that was clearly the intent of the filmmakers and you denying it because for some reason you want to believe they made Peter into a cold-blooded killer all of his own accord doesn't change it.
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when they take justice into their own hands? Uh, YEAH! They can go to jail because it's considered murder.
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kill Parker. Doesn't change the freakin' fact he wanted to kill Parker. Murder begins as a thought.
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---they're under the control of alien superbeings at the time, in which case reasonable people cut them some slack. Tell me, if Norman Osborne had had the process that drove him insane reversed and he found himself back to normal, would you say he had to stand trial? Because generally insanity is a criminal defense...
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and actually deciding to kill them are completely different. And the means? Parker was just some guy, as far as Brock knew. A gun would've done it.
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their negative emotions like a leech and providing a drug-like high while threatening to become permanently bonded with them. Did you not pay attention?
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A drug-like high? It specifically said that it amplified their aggression. It also had the power to take Spidey out of bed and put him on a building without him even remembering it. This wasn't just an angry drunken rage, no matter how much you want to keep using the drug comparison.
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It did not create the feelings or emotions - those came from their hosts. I mean, it shows Peter fuming over hunting down Sandman before he decides to put the costume on.
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Everyone feels anger and aggression, even superheroes. The fact that it amplified them to levels where he could no longer distinguish between right and wrong is what limits Pete's responsibility.
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answered my question about Osborne, either.
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Oh, I see now. Except for that whole part where he wasn't actually insane. Are you sure you're not Johnny Cocheran?
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No, that's crap. He was a murderous jerk before he went Gobby. Everyone knows that.
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You're right, he just had an alien in his head pumping him full of aggression and vengeance. Good call. Also, fugue states where you don't recall what you've been doing? Sign of insanity...
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I'm talking about Osborne in the movie. There was *no* indication he was a murderer or any kind of criminal before the experiment.
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Parker puts on the suit even though he knows it makes him act odd and go into a fugue state. Why? Because he'd rather have the power than be responsible. I'm having a hard time blaming it all on the symbiote, in case you can't tell.
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Osborne was nuts and could've been temp insane even though he did it to himself by exposing himself to Gobby Gas. This is like when Cap was in an explosion in a warehouse of Ice and then went around beating the crap out of everyone claiming it wasn't his fault. Riiiiight.... High as a kite!
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No, he took a risk because he wanted the power to face a guy who he was mad at and had already kicked his ass. Bad move, one driven by a thirst for vengeance. But there's no indication he was going to kill Sandman before he put the suit on (quite the opposite--he's offended by the idea he intentionally killed the other guy). And he did *not* know it was going to make him act like that yet. It's not as though he took PCP knowing its effects. The drug analogy is weak as hell, because no drug acts like this symbiote and few people take drugs unaware of how they screw with you. But, y'know, continue to just ignore what's actually in the movie in favor of the version in your head where Petey got drunk and carefully planned to kill guy in cold blood. If you're enjoying that version of events, more power to you.And, what, because Osborne was involved in an experiment that went wrong, he's as bad as a serial killer? Please, he didn't know he was going to go insane, he was just prepared to take the risk. Again, bad move, but he didn't intend to kill anyone before it happened. He was reckless, not murderous, much like Peter.
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Even in a compromised mental state, they still did it. Did the Gobby Gas and Symbiote make them temporarily 5 years old?
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Did you folks know that Spider-Man 3 is finally out in the theaters? I wonder what people think of it? Hmmm.
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They should have saved Venom for Spidey 4. Harry and Sandman would have been fine, actually better. A fully imagined Sandman would have been amazing. Or instead of Venom they should have brought in the Chameleon who Brock could have hired to ruin Spiderman. Venom just didn't work and it felt all forced and pushed at the end. If they would slowed down the movie would have been amazing instead of just good.
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You dolts don't get it: The movies theme is the power of forgiveness. If you don't learn to forgive, then you will destroy yourself. Contrast the way bad Petey tried to kill Sandman, and ends up only destroying his own soul, with the way forgiveness allows him to have compassion for Sandman. In the sameway, look at how forgiveness heals Peter and Harry's relationship, with how Brock's desire to hold on to vengence (the suit) causes him to leap to his own suicide, thus destroying himself. Had Venom survived, the whole moral lesson of the story would've been much less effective. Geesh!
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Spider-Man 2 was better than Spidey's 1 and 3. Spider-Man 2 is the single greatest superhero film made since Superman: The Movie. I know it's hard to hear but look at rottentomatoes, IMDB, and yahoo movies which polls critics and users and all say the same. Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man 1 > Spider-Man 3.
For fucks sake- why?? Give me one good reason. People simply accept that Spiderman 2 is the best thing ever. I only wish I too could be so easily impressed.
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It felt like it may have edited for time. If not, I think it could have been longer. I know 3 hour-long movies don't always do well, but they could have fit everything into one film nicely if their would have been more time to focus on Sandman's backstory and had more scenes with Eddie Brock/Venom. Surprisingly even with everything that is going on the film is really coherant. Harry could have just as easily realized himself that by dedicating his life to vengenence, it was destroying him, and then joined up with Spidey, I honestly have no idea why they added a completely unneccesary butler character. I couldn't believe Spiderman just threw that bomb at him and then just smiled and walked away, I was shocked, it was cool though.
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The only thing good about this movie was the Howard chick playing Gwen. And considering who her father is, she'll probably be baldheaded by the time she's forty.
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Saw it over the weekend. In my opinion the best bit was actually the out-of-control crane sequence. That said, there were actually loads of other parts of this movie that I liked very much also (couldn't used the word "loved" about any of it, though).
However, not just flawed...this movie was significantly inferior to the first two, in my opinion, for the following reasons;
1. Truly appalling, lazy (and frustrating) script writing.
2. At least an hour too long.
3. Saturday Night Fever section...excrutiating!
4. Song and dance stuff....boring and not necesarry.
Worst of all, I read yesterday that some studio person said that - due to it's fantastic opening weekend - 4, 5 & 6 are definitely committed to.
If the bean counters actually listened to their cuustomers instead of simply looking at figures they could not possibly be so bullish about the future of this franchise.
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Maybe they could have used Kraven instead of Sandman. Harry helps Kraven so that he will hunt Spiderman down. The first fight he almost succeeds, the second fight Black Spiderman almost kills him after some sad Spiderman movie event (maybe he uses MJ as bait and she dies, flipping the MJ/GS continuities). Spiderman loses the symbiote and Venom comes out for the second half. Basically it would play out as before but with a lot more Venom and less money spent on all the Sandman effects. Sandman didn't have much motivation other than money, as opposed to the other two villains who were hunting Spiderman down for revenge. It didn't quite gel together. Just random thoughts. Well I am sure the inevitable extended 3.1 cut will alleviate any concerns, especially if they expand it to approx. 3 hours.
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Film series like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Back to the Future, Lord of the Rings... they all have an advantage over superhero franchises: they are actually heading towards a proper ENDING. Like, you know you're going to get some closure, and that despite endless spin-offs etc, there is at some point going to be the final film in that series that gives you a bit of closure.
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..what about Harrys review ? ....when you walk out of the theater you have a bad/sad feeling because...lets face it the movie sucked. To rushed...way to much letsCryTogether-moments. Im not talking about the cgi or the cinematography when it comes to the action scenes because...the whole crane sequence for example was a straight out of the comic moment. I dont want to see Kirstin"wtf..youre teeth?!"Dunst in totals all the time. I love Spiderman and all that but...quit now. Ironman..youll see...Ironman will rock.Cant wait for the Teaser.
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...i cant believe i'm saying this about a Raimi/Spidey movie either!!! man it just sucks sooooo bad, my lil nephews would love it though, just all action/goofy comedy, no story....watch cartoon network right now and u will see the amount of story that this movie has! and its making major deniro!!! WTF???? i dont ever wanna see this crap again!!!! and i love Spiderman!!!! aWWWWWRAGGDGRGRDGGERHTRHRTHRHRTSRESGHYUIUYKFUKJUYFJKFYU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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..a good Superman Movie... ;-( Superman:Rise of Kumar...youll see.
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where they all sing. and the broadway parts reminded of the moment when lisa sings "now everyones singing like a big broadway cast".....
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site has not been all over the news that QT's Compadre Senior, Robert Rodrieguez is in talks to direct the Jetson. Dont believe me its on dark horizons. Could be a rumour but RR doing the jetsons. could be interesting.
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I read so many reviews before going into the film, so I didn't have high expectations. I was hoping to like it a little bit but not even. It was just bad all over. Not batman & robin bad, but bad. I didn't mind the way they conveniently created Sandman, but all the other story devices that took place were just so blatantly convenient it was painful to watch. I don't like they way they had Sandman fly around town as a cloud of sand, or make him several stories tall. They should have made him more like the terminator from T2. And they way they made Sandman responsible for Ben Parker's death was a bad bad bad idea, and even will sort of ruin SpiderMan 1 whenever I watch that. Venom was the only thing I was starting to like in the film, and then they kill him off: WTF! Killing Harry didn't work for me either. I just hate the idea of killing main characters off left and right, it sucks and makes me like the Spiderman universe less and less. They should have done the Batman Begins thing and have some kind of 'escalation' syndrome take place over the course of several movies, and having Venom continue to inhabit that world would have been really cool. But it doesn't matter now anyway because even Spiderman is now dead to me. The SM3 story just plain sucked, and Raimi didn't seem to have his heart in it this time.
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Or at least, it is implied that he does so. He says, "I got to pay for what I done." But also in the book, Penny and her mom and doctor arrive at the construction site and Penny pleads with her dad to "Stop!" because killing Spidey and continuing a life of crime won't help her, because the doctor has already done all he can
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carnage from appearing in the next film. ive come up with the best way to incorperate him into the movie and make a more dimensional chararcter than he was in the comics. Have cpt stacey aka cromwell call up peter to the station, have him tell PP "Actually THIS is you uncle's killer, he escaped from prison 6 days ago", showing mug shots of cletus kassady. Come on its perfect! In the end it will turn out that it wasnt the original thug who bumped into flint marko that led to the shot, we'll show the original guy tripping onto the pavement, cletus running away from the cops after hes stoling some old woman's purse, he trips on the thug's body, and he fell onto flint, flint's gun fired off into uncle ben! Come on its genius! Im sure sony will eat this stuff up!
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Fecal Debris / Abom here, writing under yet another new mantle because apparently I crossed the invisible demarcation line into the territory of the prurient interest again, and I found myself unable to log on as Fecal Debris last week. Anyhoo, at the risk of being booted yet again, here's my long ass review. Everything in it is correct and undebatable:)
I liked the movie. But I wanted to love it, and I didn’t. I agree with
everybody who’s said it’s too much stuff shoehorned into one big mishmash of a
picture. I think the fanboy critics who suggested that Venom be saved for a
fourth installment were on the money, and at most they could have introduced him
at the end of this movie. But no, they throw the symbiote on Eddie Brock in a
hurry, and he’s over and done inside of twenty minutes.
So much to say, I guess the simple thing to do is just go down a laundry list of
what I liked and what I didn’t like.
The Spidey “Key to the City” event. I guess all third installments of
superhero-type movies must now have a public celebration event-type thing.
Rocky III featured Rocky getting his statue. Superman III had Supes being
honored in Smallville. I just don’t like stuff like this, although here I guess
it was necessary to have “the kiss” that makes M.J. angry later on. I coulda
done without it.
Birth of Sandman. This was a great sequence, and this is where I popped my geek
boner. Someone else here said that this footage will henceforth be the “demo”
reel for all things CGI in movies until something better comes along. Plus, I
think the music during this segment gave it a lot of soul. Stirring, yet
plaintive. It was especially moving when the partial-formed Sandman struggles
to grasp his daughter’s locket. That’s good stuff right there, and was probably
the greatest character exposition in the whole movie, and nary a word of
dialogue was even spoke. Lesson to be learned there.
Armored Bank Truck Sequence. I was especially looking forward to this because I
was eager to see what would become of the two weeks of shooting and stunt work
they did in Cleveland last April. I shouldn’t have had my expectations so high;
this sequence literally races by so fast there’s not much to be said of it. For
those who didn’t know, that was producer Grant Curtis as the guard in back of
the truck who gets piled on from above by the attacking Sandman. Anyhow, during
this sequence I was looking for the truck to smash into all the other cars I saw
get smashed for real on Euclid Avenue, which masqueraded for a busy Manhattan
street. But I only saw a couple. I know they got so much more—I mean, they
seriously tore through a couple dozen cars and vans here and you don’t see much
of it onscreen. I did notice some editing errors, though. If you look closely,
you’ll see some wrecked vehicles along the curb that are already wrecked before
the bank truck gets to them. Which is to say, the bank truck doesn’t smash
‘em—they’re just already smashed. This disappointed me, because the
steel-smashing, glass-blasting action I witnessed live did not make it
onscreen.
Count me amongst those who feel that with Sandman, less is more. I liked the
fight on the bank truck and in the subway more than the Gigantor Sandman stuff
at the end. You don’t see a normal-size Sandman until he appears as Marko for
the confession scene at the end. It’s all super-size Sandman, and okay, he’s
Sooo Big. But he’s also slow and clumsy, and a bigger target for Harry’s
pumpkin bombs and rockets. The “oooh” factor wears out quickly, and I think
they should have used more small-scale fighting with Marko doing some T-1000
stuff with his arms and legs. Heck, I didn’t even see him form a sand-mace.
Did he? If he did, it was too quick for me. I saw him make big sand fists and
a sand hammer. We saw Spiderman punch through him, shoot web balls through him,
and smear his face on a moving subway train. We also saw Sandman kick Spidey
with an extended sand-leg and turn into a sandstorm. But that’s it for the
small, intricate cool stuff.
Super-Spidey? I know Spider-Man is imbued with superhuman strength and probably
heals a lot faster than your average Joe, but this movie makes him seem nearly
invulnerable. During the bank truck chase, there’s a part where Spidey’s
clinging to the side of the truck and Sandman, who is on the room, leans over
with a hammer-fist and literally pummels Spidey into the side of the car and
into the back compartment. Come on, now. This is an armored truck. It’s
already a stretch to overlook that Spidey would very likely be splattered all
over the side of the truck. It’s really incredible that he’s unscathed after
withstanding the force of such a blow, so powerful that it mashes him into the
metal and through it. No, sir, I can’t get past that one. Nor can I suspend my
disbelief any longer at the end, when Venom’s got Spidey pinned to a girder by
the neck and Gigantor Sandman is once again slamming him with a fist. This
should have reduced him to Spidey sauce in a hurry. But no, the only evidence
of damage we see to Spidey are the tears in his costume and mask (which never
seems to survive his final confrontation, if he’s wearing it at all). I know
I’m right—it’s impossible even for Spider-Man to sustain that kind of impact
without some broken ribs to show for it. Everyone knows that concentrated sand
even in small quantities has the density of a cinderblock. If you get hit with
one, you will be all the less pretty for it.
Betty Brant is still the hottest chick in the movie, ‘nuff said. And who didn’t
love it when she blushingly cooed to the flirtatious Emo-Spidey: “Peter
Paaaarker! Oh, Peter!” Wow.
I guess the deal with Peter's broken apartment door was that its supposed to be
symbolic that after he's influenced by the black suit, it's hard for his friends
and loved ones to "reach him." Whatever
And hey, since Mary Jane learned that Peter is Spidey at the end of the second
movie, and since they profess their love for each other, what’s the harm in
Peter coming clean about Green Goblin and telling M.J. the whole story about why
Harry is angry with him? In this movie, we learn Peter hasn’t disclosed this.
Instead, when M.J. asks “What is it with you two?” He simply says, “It’s
complicated.”
Question--if the black suit latches onto Spidey when he's asleep in the classic
red and blue outfit, then it's THAT classic outfit that turns black, no? If
yes, then why is it we later see the black costume in a trunk, while Peter's
classic red costume is hanging, untainted, in his closet? Does he have more
than one Spidey suit? And, later, after he struggles to get the symbiote off
him at the church, does he go home naked, or did he have a change of clothes
with him? Huh? Huh? Huh?
Back to Sandman. The novel adaptation explores the relationship between Marko
and his daughter in more detail. I’m guessing they may have even shot some of
this stuff. Apart from timing issues, I’m not sure why it didn’t make the cut.
In the book, Sandman gets away with some of the cash from the armored truck and
he incorporates it into his body. Then he hunts down his daughter’s physician,
gives him the money, and warns him that he better make good use of it (finding a
cure for his girl). In the middle of the book, Penny discovers her father is
the Sandman when Marko manifests himself to her as a sandcastle in a park. I
was looking forward to seeing this in the movie. Too bad. It would have helped
flesh out his character more, pun intended. And come the end of the novel, it’s
Penny who sees her father pummeling Spidey on TV, and it’s Penny who,
accompanied by her mother and her doctor, goes to the construction site and
admonishes her father to “Stop!” In a touching sequence, Penny explains that
the doctor has done all he possibly can to help her, and while her dad’s heart
is in the right place, Marko’s desperation will not help her medical condition.
And it’s at this point Marko confesses to Spidey. Except in the book, he more
or less surrenders and tells his daughter, “I got to pay for what I done,” and
it’s implied that he returns to prison, whereas in the movie he literally is
gone with the wind. I think the book ending would have worked better.
And Jesus Christ, what was with those news reporters during the final
confrontation? What the holy hell is a lady reporter with a terrible british
accent during on television in New York City? And more importantly, what’s she
doing ruining the pace of the movie for us? Gawd damn, but that accent was a
distraction. You can’t tell me Raimi and the producers didn’t know this.
C’mon! She was awful, that “Jennifer Doogan” or whatever her name was, and her
lame annunciation of the word “brutality.” And the old teabag anchorman was
terrible too. “This could be the END of Spider-Man!” Yes, we GET it, thank
you. It was just so unnecessary.
Emo-Peter. The “pelvic Elvis dance” got uproariously laughter from everyone at
my midnight show, me included, and it didn’t feel too kooky to me. I really
liked this part of the movie. But to ALSO have Peter upstage M.J. at the jazz
club with his piano playing and outrageous dancing was too much. It would have
been enough to simply have Peter dance with Gwen, and maybe kiss her during
their final dip, then have Gwen catch on that it was all for show. That would
have worked, and kept it more grounded. The book prefaces this segment better
early on, by having Peter sit at a piano during a visit at Aunt May’s apartment.
He taps out a melody, which is all we need to know to understand that yes, Peter
can play the piano. Here, in the movie, it seems so improbable that Peter’s a
skilled musician, or that he can just sit down and start banging out a song
without any prior reference to this talent, and you can’t tell if the black suit
is giving him that ability (impossible) or merely amplifying a skill Peter
already had (which happens to be the case, only without the foreshadowing, we
can’t KNOW that).
J. Jonah Jameson was a highlight of the first two movies, but it felt like they
had to make room for him here, and that’s too bad. The movie suffers for it.
And his assistant, Hoffman, isn’t given much to work with this time out. He
gets the same amount of screen time as 1 and 2, but here he’s trying to spin a
new ad campaign for the Bugle, and it’s just not as funny. They should have
stuck with the motif of the other movies, where Hoffman helps J.J.J. come up
with nicknames for the new villains—with Hoffman coming up with the ideas and
Jameson stealing his thunder. They shoulda done this with Sandman. I noticed
the name “Venom” wasn’t used in the movie at all.
Hey, scriptwriters. When you have a major character in a story say, “I’d give
my life for them (my friends),” we all KNOW he’s gonna end up dead at the end of
the movie. So don’t do it. It’s been done a million times before. We’re
conditioned to understand that anyone who expresses willingness to sacrifice
himself will be called upon to do so. If Harry’s gonna say that, he may as well
have broken the fourth wall, winked at the camera and said, “I’m gonna die!”
That said, I thought Harry was good in this movie. I loved it after he betrays
Peter in the coffee shop and the waitress asks how the pie tastes. “Sooo
gooood,” Harry exults. This drew huge laughs from my midnight crowd. And that
maniacal smile and wink he gives Peter through the window was fantastic.
A few reviewers have already mentioned how little Spidey actually appears in the
movie, whether it be in the classic costume or black suit. And you can sense
his absence by the end. You feel almost cheated—you’re watching Spider-Man 3,
yet for your 139 minutes you haven’t gotten much Spidey. And like the other
films, when Spidey is onscreen, half the time he’s got his fucking mask off, or
his mask is so tattered that he may as well not have one on. Okay we GET
it—Peter is Spidey, and Spidey is Peter, and this is your silly aesthetic way of
manifesting that dichotomy onscreen, by having him in costume, but his face
revealed. We get it. Now don’t do it.
Why shouldn’t they do it? Well, the best reason is because when you show us an
unmasked Spidey, you necessarily must have Tobey Maguire in the costume. And we
all know that Spidey is usually played by a stunt double, who is noticeably more
ripped than Tobey. Tell me you didn’t notice this at the end of the movie, when
Spidey is pinned to the girder, or hell anytime after Spidey’s mask is ripped
and you see Tobey underneath. It’s not that he’s outta shape. Hardly. But
he’s not the insanely buff stunt guy we’re used to, and it’s best to just use
that stunt guy for Spidey’s action sequences, and leave the damn mask on, for
chrissakes.
Venom gets the short shrift in the movie. Everyone has said it, and I agree.
Jesus, how likely is it that Eddie Brock wanders into the same church as Peter /
Spidey in the early predawn hours of a rainy New York day? Am I wrong here?
The movie suggests that Peter goes to the church almost immediately after
bitchslapping Mary Jane. What’s Eddie Brock doing that night? We don’t know,
but we do see him spying on Peter as he walks Gwen into the jazz club. Heck,
maybe he uses his reporter skills to track Peter all night, which would explain
trailing him to the church. But if this were the case, he’d necessarily have
discovered that Peter is Spidey a lot sooner, or that Peter could very likely be
Spidey, because it’s black Spidey who arrives at the church, not Peter. That
might have made more sense—having Eddie trace Peter from the jazz club, and into
a dark alley someplace where he puts his black mask on, then off to church.
Oh, and can anyone tell me why Venom doesn’t just kill Peter right there in the
friggin’ church? Eddie just saw Peter struggling to get the symbiote off his
body. So he knows Peter is right there, up in the bell tower. Why doesn’t the
symbiote, after hijacking Eddie’s body, simply guide him up there to exact
vengeance? Oh yeah, I forgot. Then we wouldn’t have the whole lame-ass taking
of Mary Jane as hostage bit. Can’t have a Spidey movie without that,
apparently. They could have made things different this time by having Gwen be
the hostage, but then Harry might not have been as motivated to help Peter out
in the end, since he’s not emotionally vested in Gwen at all.
Enough for now, I’ve killed too much space already. I liked the movie, but it
wasn’t great, and what gets me is that it could have been great. Too much stuff
all crammed together, and it’s all very rushed, so much so that the characters
can’t breathe, and at times I felt like they weren’t even the same people from
the other movies. However, I will say it was one of my most fun times seeing a
movie, ever.
You know there’s gonna be a double-dip DVD a few months after the first release.
We all know they shot four endings for the Sandman, and I’m guessing one of them
utilizes Penny’s appearance and plea to her father. Also, I recall seeing some
stuff in the trailers that ended up not getting used. For example, in the first
full trailer, I recall black Spidey getting his suit and wondering aloud, “This
suit…where did it come from?” But in the movie he says, when hanging upside and
looking at his reflection, “What is THIS?” In the book, and possibly in one of
the earlier trailers, after Peter shoves / hits Mary Jane, she notices the black
costume under Peter’s shirt and says, “It’s the suit,” implying that she
realizes the black suit has been affecting his mind.
Really funny parts in the movie:
• “Oh, look at little Goblin Junior. Gonna cry?”
• “See, ya, chump!”
• “Where do all these guys come from?”
* Ursula and her landlord father "You're good woman, I'm a good
man"
• After Spidey smashes Eddie’s camera, Eddie yells, “What the HELL!?”
• The kid yelling for Spidey to NOT kiss Gwen
• The Bruce Campbell scene
• JJJs medicine buzzer
• Emo-Peter’s pelvic thrust dance and strut
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Parts of the movie that elicited “ahhhs” or “oohs” or “wows”
• Sandman’s rebirth
• The Harry / Peter fight, especially the webline that trashes Harry
• The runaway crane
• Harry’s betrayal at the coffeeshop (Oooooh, so good)
• Stan Lee’s cameo drew applause at the midnight show, as did Bruce
COOL Cleveland stuff. The bank truck chase happens SO fast, but because I knew
what to look for, you can plainly see The Wyndham hotel, The Halle Building, the
Huntington Bank building, and the Terminal Tower (a couple times).
Erin, Liam and I were downtown watching them shoot the overturned bank truck
stuff in the middle of the intersection of Euclid and E.9th. This was their
last day of shooting in town. You know how Spidey grabs the guards and flings
them out of the truck before it crashes, then you see the guards safe on the
web? That was right in front of the Citizens Building, across from the National
City Bank Building on E. 9th. And on the first floor of the Citizens Bldg is a
CVS pharmacy, and Erin Liam and I were inside at the time, watching this unfold
through the glass. We'd watched most of it from across the street, at the Natl
City Bank plaza, but the kids wanted a snack, so we went for candy and pop at
the CVS. Once inside, however, they resumed shooting and did a "lockdown" on
the set, so we couldn't go back out lest we got in the shot (they had crew to
prevent this from occurring). I asked the CVS manager dude if it was alright if
we lingered at the window, and he didn't mind at all. He must have been
enjoying the extra foot traffic in the store from all the Spidey gawkers. So
all of that was cool. It's nice to have a full homemade DVD of footage and
pictures I took of all that stuff--every car that got wrecked during this
sequence, I have it. But like I said above, they wrecked a lot of cars you
don't even see in the movie. MOst notably an old "woody" style station wagon,
and a newer model blue pickup truck. Also a brown UPS truck, which is in the
movie (product placement?)
Plus, I thought the artwork and lettering on the side of the armored bank truck
was very cool, and picturesque in an "old style" font kinda way, but sadly you
only see a sideview of the truck for like a split second. I wonder why they
didn't employ more footage of it. Didja know there were three bank trucks in
all? All identical, but with different degrees of battle damage done to them.
It was on this last day of shooting that, while walking back to the car by CSU,
we got to meet Spidey (again) in the trailer camp the crew had over across from
the Palace Theater on E. 17. Coolness!
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carnage from appearing in the next film. ive come up with the best way to incorperate him into the movie and make a more dimensional chararcter than he was in the comics. Have cpt stacey aka cromwell call up peter to the station, have him tell PP "Actually THIS is you uncle's killer, he escaped from prison 6 days ago", showing mug shots of cletus kassady. Come on its perfect! In the end it will turn out that it wasnt the original thug who bumped into flint marko that led to the shot, we'll show the original guy tripping onto the pavement, cletus running away from the cops after hes stoling some old woman's purse, he trips on the thug's body, and he fell onto flint, flint's gun fired off into uncle ben! Come on its genius! Im sure sony will eat this stuff up!
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Betty Brant is the hottest thing in the movie. I'd like to see her and Parker Posie team up on screen. One on one.
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I'm a big fan of this site, but until chipping in my 2 cents I had no idea of just how spun most of the talkback writers are. = You'll hear people who felt robbed by this film and others who absolutely loved it. The fact that there's so much contention about it should be reason enough for people to lower their expectations, and maybe that'll serve your experience of it best. = I wrote a negative review because I felt completely misled by all of the reviews I read and I wanted my money back. I love the franchise, but Spider-Man 3 was the "Batman & Robin" of the three. I'm sure the director's cut will make up for many of its shortcomings, but the thing you need to know is that Spider-Man 3 lacks all of the grace and flow of its predecessors. There's so much linear and chronological nonsense in this film that you'll find yourself thinking that Raimi must've been aware of how bad it is (these are not mistakes that anyone could ignore). = I love the camp and fun aspects of Spider-Man 3, but overall feeling is choppy, ill-conceived, and slightly vacant. = You'll read a million explanations for its faults and a million ideas on what should/could have been done to fix it. In the end, I just hope you realize that these negative comments are not the babble of some late-night-scuzzy-teen-middle-aged-slob-drifter. = Spider-Man 3 is not all that bad, but the fact that it's not good/great and the reasons for it justify much of the angry sentiment from the people on here. It's fun to laugh at and make fun of, but the charm is gone baby. The charm is gone. = I said it before and I'll say it again: the only reason why I'm on here and writing these reviews is because I felt so misled about this film that I'd have a guilt trip for not warning people about it.
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crush that lady TV newsreporter with a hammerfist before having a change of heart. And too bad Betty wasn't nude.
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I know he showed up at the mixed-up reel matinee, but we eargarly await to read the negative nail in the coffin, so to speak.
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He didn't kill anyone. We're talking about his moral status as a hero, though, and on a moral level trying real hard to kill someone and failing isn't really any better than trying real hard to kill someone and succeeding.
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franchise. It was the Batman Forever of the franchise. Meaning it wasn't bad. It was okay. And it also means that the franchise can still be saved.
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It was about as noticable on the big screen (imagine in IMAX) as Dunst's awkward grin. Man, he's starting to turn into TUBBY Maguire. It must be The Shatner Effect; a little fame, a little fortune, no more missed meals and there you go.
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Just a few explanations for small inconsistencies and whatnot you mentioned. 1: No excuse for the armored car bit, I suppose (though after him trying to stop that train with his feet in the last flick, I'm not too fussed about his near-invulnerability), but with the giant sandhammer at the end, I'm with the filmmakers. When Sandman goes giant and absorbs all that other sand, he definitely seems to loose cohesion (I mean, he's like a blob with arms at the end, right?). The sand he's hitting Spidey with at that point is probably barely held together--which is why the I-beam he's strapped to doesn't snap, either. 2: Why not tell MJ about Harry's dad being the Goblin? Probably the same reason he obeyed Norman's request not to tell Harry. He *liked* Norman, and the guy had clearly lost his mind, he wanted to keep his secrets, as well as Harry's. At that point, Harry hadn't tried to kill him--why would he feel it was okay for him to reveal Harry's dirty secrets to MJ if Harry hadn't? 3: Why didn't Venom kill Parker right then? Could be any number of reasons, but my first bet is because the bell was still ringing up there and it didn't want to go near. Second is that it didn't know if it could--Brock didn't know how powerful he was yet, and he wanted to be sure of success. Third, remember Brock didn't just want to kill Parker, he wanted to humiliate him. Can't feel shame dead, right? Fourth, it could be that the suit was weakened by both the bells and the severing of its connection, just didn't feel up to it yet. I could probably think up a few more, but whatever, if you don't buy those you won't buy the others. ;) 4: On Pete playing the piano, it really didn't strike me as that improbable. He's a gifted kid who didn't play sports, that says "piano lessons" right there, especially as May said in the second film that she teaches piano. Further, he's Spider-Man--his timing, reflexes, and dexterity are all vastly superior to a normal human's. If he can play the piano even a little, he can probably play it really well, even without the symbiote. I admit, a scene of him tapping something out while talking to May may've been nice foreshadowing of it (and given him something to do other than tear-up during their heart-to-hearts), but I don't think it was all that unbelievable.
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Spider-Man, I actually wanted to see more of that character. I would've like to see Church as a straightforward baddie - they put great effort into his look. Harry as Gobby II - more, please. The problem is I don't want to see more of two-chins Maguire and his downer girlfriend Dunst.
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And you know it.
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Dunst's face look round and trollish. They showed Bryce's stomach and rear end when they should've been kinder with the camera. They even shot Franco on his bad side so you could tell he had a wonk eye. BAD.
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Is your name based on Zapphod Beeblebrox? Anyway, I like some of your theories. Especially the venom logic--not killing Peter at the church because he was afraid of the bell, and cuz he wanted to plan Parker's humiliation. I just like thinking about all those little minutiae.
Remember in 2 how when Oc first rips out the controls to the train, Spidey checks with the train operator, then takes off his mask cuz of the sparks. THEN, the camera smash-zooms on his face, then pulls back and takes the viewer along the track, all the way to the buffer so you can see what's at stake. I loved that and wish they'd done a little of that in 3, like before SPOILER the bank truck rams the green garbage truck. It all just happened so fast--whoosh!
I should clarify that I do like the aspect Raimi gives Spidey with regard to vulnerability. He DOES get hurt and his suit does get ruined. I like that, but I'm still not sold on the idea of seeing Spidey without the mask so often. Granted, I know in this one SPOILER Venom yanks off the mask with the intention of exposing Peter on camera, but Peter escapes and gets it back on. The novel points out that they were still too high for cameras too really see them, so his identity wasn't blown.
Finally, in Part 4 we will learn that Flash Thompson was REALLY Uncle Ben's killer. He was simply mad for Peter beating him up at school. Yes, Carradine and Marko robbed him and took his car, but they left him alive. "We had it wrong," captain Stacy will say. "THIS is your uncle's actual killer," and he'll show Peter a photo of Flash in high football uniform or some shit. Seriously though, I'd like to see Lizard and Electro in 4, and MJ getting smacked around some more. I'm sure MJ will explain to Peter that Harry made her break up with him and lie about there being another guy, but will she be honest and reveal that she kissed Harry, the cheating selfish harlot? Felicia Hardy, where are you in your skintight black suit and white feather boa? -
Just because he doesn't succeed doesn't mean he didn't try to murder him, regardless that Sandman was able to pull himself back together. Spider-Man thought he had killed him which is why he went to Aunt May to give her the "good news" afterwards. I also think it's odd even with the symbiote that a Parker raised by Aunt May and Ben would think that that would honor Ben's memory, but again that whole lazy writing thing.
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but can't build webshooters and develop a web formula? Hahah, just kidding.
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Does Sandman need to breathe? Can he? I recall during his "birth" sequence that he lets out a kind of sigh... Then, when he reconstitutes himself after the sewer battle, we see his air bubbles in the river. He doesnt' NEED to breathe, does he? He's like, made of sand and shit. Does he poop? And hey, what if it had really been a bird inside the particle accelerator instead of Marko? Would it be a Sand-Bird? A Clay Pigeon? Discuss. And hey, wouldn't it have been cool if Sandman had his change of heart and told Spider-Man, "I know a machine that will destroy this venom character," and they trap Venom in the particle device and bombard the symbiote with sand, so that maybe it's not dead but it's integrity is kaput.
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itself is a symbiote, and now that it's bonded to me, I can't seem to shake myself loose of it. I snap at my wife, I yell at the kids. I told my coworker to find religion, then I clobbered him. What's happening to me? It's so wrong, but...it feels good.
Seriously, I'm not hating on the movie. I really liked it. Very fun to watch. But when the DVD comes out, there's a lot of shit I'll be skipping over. I happen to like 2 more and think it's the most cohesive entry in the series, and that it had soul and let its characters move and feel and grow in a way that wasn't rushed or, like Mori said, perfunctory or simply to advance the very crowded plot(s).
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Yep, Beeblebrox it is, good call. And I totally agree about the lack of Spider-sense, it was a real shame. Though I definitely valued the slow-mo sequences during the crane rescue and the various compressions of time during his fights with Harry. Thought most of that worked really well. I also agree about the characters (three of them in this chapter) constantly taking off their masks. I realize that everyone wants to see how dreamy James Franco is, and I realize that actors want to be able to, like, act with their faces and stuff, but it really does make a mockery of the secret identity thing, and it usually looks *way* less cool. (Maguire just never stops looking goofy with half his face squeezing itself out of that mask).
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Good question, my fiance pointed out that it seems weird for a guy made of sand to cry, too. My guess is that his body continues to *try* to do all the stuff regular bodies do, whether it needs to or not. Also a good question about sand-bird or whatever. It seemed like it was such an effort for Marko to re-make himself, though, that I suspect a bird wouldn't have been capable of it.
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From the interviews since its realese it sounds like sam raimi isnt realy at fault for venom, apparently he had a finished story with sandman and harry as villins when avi arad told him the fans wanted venom so he should give them venom! thats right we want venom but we want venom done right not as a after thought as he pretty much seemed to be. i still think it was a enjoyable movie but it just didnt thrill me as much as it should have!
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I hate Arad.
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Iron Man will keep Marvel movies from tanking, I pray. Also, it sounds like FF2 is just a platform to feature Silver Surfer. They say if it works, FF3 would be a platform for the Black Panther.
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And didn't somebody say something about an Avengers (live-action) movie? What happened to that gem?
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to hold onto his humanity.
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the pivotal moment when he goes to Mary Jane and says I have to stop it and she says Yes or everything we were will mean nothing". He then heads to the Church to rid himself of the symbiote. And creates Venom. Its there in one of the trailers.
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hayden Christensen School of acting.
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Yeah, I actually really missed that line form MJ. Seemed like it really encapsulated the point of the movie. I wonder if they just filmed it for the trailer, or if it'll end up on the DVD. Gotta say, I'd love to have a LotR-style special edition of this flick.
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Needs to happen. They can adapt elements of the Priest story, but should play down the exploitation angle if ya ask me. BP is not Shaft, you know.
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FF2 does well enough that we get a Silver Surfer spinoff, even if we have to suffer through another FF movie.
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Marvel's first family shouldn't be launching anyone except for themselves. They have a lot of crap to make up for from FF1.
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He's more lively than Jackson. I think Avengers should be anchored firmly in the 60s thematically, although they can make it timeless. I don't want to see, for instance, single mother Avengers with their kids living in the mansion, crazy Avengers killing each other, or Avengers getting wasted on margaritas and cheating on their spouses.
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that he turned the company around. Marvel Made comics which they sold to the public as a product. Arvi Arad sold toys. He brought his merchandising experience to table and helped turn Marvel around. I often think that there are people who only want comic books to remain on the page and not on the silver screen. Adapting anything is tricky and it takes a reall great wordsmith to find the balance. WB realised long ago that it is all about the merchandise that makes the profit and not the actual characters. ghostbusters was the first movie to spin off the characters into a merchandising deal.
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that Wakanda and him being a king stuff. Vibranium, bbbbbbaaaaabbbbbbyyyy!
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He may be a suit, but if it weren't for him we might not have an age of comic book movies that includes the first two Blades, the first two Spider-Mans, and the first two X-Men. Hell, it's entirely possible that Warner only got the cajones together to relaunch Batman because they saw Spidey making a mint. He may have meddled too much here, but give the guy a break.
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on its opening weekend. lots of people must have liked it, eh?
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The hip hop version, a la "House Party" Hudlin, for instance.
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What about Hank Pym hitting Janet? Too much moral ambiguity for you? ;)
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is always good for business. Especially when Stan needs to sue Marvel for 10 mil and win.
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drinking too much.. And Wanda and Pietro and Hawkeye all being reformed supercriminals? Thor murdering frost giants? I dunno, looks like the Avengers are pretty dark...
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You know there is a difference so why are you asking? The movie had Parker acting out of character, bottom line.
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emeraldboy: Good call, I forgot about that 'pivotal' line from the trailers. The final cut would lead us to believe that MJ gets kidnapped and hasn't a clue why Peter acted the way he did. Shit, the finale even ends that way. I assume at the end, when Peter visits MJ at the jazz club again, that he's explained everything. That's part of the trouble with this script, lotta frayed ends.
zb.brox: I thought it woulda been cool at the end if SPOILER instead of instantly changing to sand-wind and flying off, if Marko turned into a sand version of himself, like a T-1000 made of sand, stared at Peter for a moment, nods thanks for the forgiveness, and a close up of his face reveals that the tears are still there, THEN he disintegrates. The Sandman was TOO sandy TOO quickly! Wahhhh!
Black Panther Movie: Subtitled-Stompalottabooty
Seriously though, I loved the birth of Sandman sequence. I loved the way he furrowed his brow in frustration when he couldn't pick up the locket, and how you can tell it initially takes several attempts to raise his upper torso out of the pile. Hey, how funny would it have been if, when Marko gets a change of clothes at home, he opens he drawer and we see
1) his trademark green and blue / blacks striped shirt and
2) a red and green freddy krueger shirt, and he just happens to pick the former. Bwahahahahaanevermind -
temptation. Really, I would rather they not make it now that I consider it. Kind of like a Captain America movie.
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I'm just fooling around. I find this conversation interesting, because my dad's always accusing me of being too moralistic and judgmental, and for once I'm the one cutting a character a break. Heh.
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not hit MJ or murder someone while under the influence of the symbiote. That was their own special addition for the movie version. But it's just a mistake in a long line of mistakes in this adaptation. Maguire's Parker comes across as an arrested adolescent, not a maturing young man who is highly intelligent. There is nothing manly about Maguire's Spider-Man. Frankly, I was annoyed that his mask was off in the action sequences because when it's on it at least seems more like Spider-Man to me.
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They could do a really phenomenal Black Panther movie where he has to fight for control of Wakanda as industrialists attempt to wrangle the rich vibranium resources that could turn Wakanda into (as it is in the comics) a technological and economic superpower situated in the heart of Africa. You could say some really powerful shit about the corruption of politics in the region, and the abuse people suffer at the hands of industry when there are no consequences from the government, and how it's ultimately the people who suffer--but, of course, little attention is paid to *them* by the industrialized world. It'd take some serious artistic commitment to do it, though. If you gave this to Tim Story or Mark Steven Johnson you'd end up with a piece of crap that looked like it was exploiting the woes of the region to try and gain credibility for its cheap entertainment rather than something that actually had something to say.
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maybe its topher but at times he should have been more menacing... but i love his slimball attitude
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--to the symbiote, not a change to Peter. In the comics, the symbiote didn't really affect Pete at all (though I think it did take him sleep-crimefighting...), it didn't gain that effect until Peter rejected it and it turned sour. So they altered the symbiote to fit the theme, unless you're a huge fan of symbiotes, I dunno why that's such a big deal. Ah well.
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I know that he photoshopped the picture of Spidey with the money in the film. Is he the one who submitted the photoshopped images of Heath Ledger as the Joker to AICN?
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went for the cheap and easy target. But seriously, I don't want to see Blood Diamonds but with costumes, you know? Wakanda is utopian almost, the Panther is an extremely idealistic character.
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People were in an uproar about the biological webshooters and not the mechanical webshooters, but did anyone hoot and holler about the spider being genetical and biologically engineered to be a superspider? In the comics, the spider was radioactive. I don't remember people being in an uproar about that. Why is it okay to alter that and not the webshooters. Both seemed okay to me.
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we cant stop carnage from appearing in the next film. ive come up with the best way to incorperate him into the movie and make a more dimensional chararcter than he was in the comics. Have cpt stacey aka cromwell call up peter to the station, have him tell PP "Actually THIS is you uncle's killer, he escaped from prison 6 days ago", showing mug shots of cletus kassady. Come on its perfect! In the end it will turn out that it wasnt the original thug who bumped into flint marko that led to the shot, we'll show the original guy tripping onto the pavement, cletus running away from the cops after hes stoling some old woman's purse, he trips on the thug's body, and he fell onto flint, flint's gun fired off into uncle ben! Come on its genius! Im sure sony will eat this stuff up!
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and he's the only person around at the time (after Peter leaves), wouldn't it want to bond with HIM instead of Peter? Any port in a storm, so to speak? I agree with whoever above said Peter is too boyish-acting and not man enough. Okay, so MJ rejected you. Even if it was a lie, and you're crushed, move on. Go date Gwen, or anyone. Bang Ursula. Chicks ain't everything anyway. And stop going to Aunt May for approval about everything, like when you wanna take a shit.
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that adaptation of Reed Richards is just incredibly poor. They could've made him a much more interesting and complex character.
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The leftover symbiote that Doc Connors has will more than likely become Carnage.
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I think people felt it was an insult to Pete, because the organic ones prove what a genius he is. Plus, on a personal note, I find it a lot more believable that he made a device for his wrists that can shoot webbing in so many different shapes, given spiders make webs in their abdomen, and have to actually move around criss-crossing to make web shapes, rather than just shooting full-formed web. But, y'know, organic webbing is a lot simpler for a film, and *seems* more believable on the surface. I think it's a good choice, really.
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Why did Marvel/sony do such a rush job on this movie?
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I agree, but I think it could work really well that way. Show T'challa is a really charismatic leader who helps give his people the strength to resist the people who want to, essentially, steal from them. It could be a great story of what a leader with courage can do for those they lead, and see how Wakanda morphs from being just another nation run by a corrupt government at the expense of its people into being that virtual utopia we know in the comics. Yeah, I don't want it to just be The Constant Gardner with some vibranium boots, either (btw, I fuckin' hated that movie. People kept describing it as a thriller, and all the posters feature Feines with a gun in his hand. NEVER FIRES THE GUN! Nothing thrilling in the whole damn movie! I was expecting at least as much excitement as the Quiet American (which was awesome), but nada. As my fiance said, "he just kept gardening...") BUT, I think it'd be great to see a superhero story put into a political context like that. If there's anything that needs a little more superheroism, it's politics.
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And having the genetic spider DID seem goofy, just show a radiation experiment and have the spider get trapped in it! Having a class fieldtrip when Peter's genius could've been displayed working in the lab - you know like a real geek and not an arrested adolescent on a field trip taking pictures of MJ? This movie is a typical dumbing down of the character, just a less offensive version of it.
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from the rumors I've heard.
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--makes more political, and IMHO artistic, sense to make it a WW2 period piece. The film can harken back to a time when the US was savior of the world and the international box office probably won't suffer too badly for it. Plus, I just love watching people beat up Nazis on film. You can tell Hitler was a failed artist, 'cause all that Nazi iconography is so great. It just *screams* evil empire, they make fantastic villains. *And* you never have to feel bad about the hero killing them, because they were fucking nazis!
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At the end of the first film, they could freeze him and have him get unfrozen at the beginning of the second film.
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They spent more time with it than 2. But if it feels rushed, I'd blame the weak / sloppy script and choppy editing. And given the 151 million dollar weekend, I'm guessing they'll "rush" 4
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no, because she is a fem-bot built by the Red Skull. But have him thawed by Nick Fury and there you go.
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I thought about that for a second, but I'm not sure how it'd work. Audiences don't usually react well to a major context change from one movie to the next. One of the big reasons people disliked the Matrix sequels was that so little time was spent in the Matrix. The second Cap film would jsut be so different, out of necessity, I think people would be jarred. *I'd* love to see it, though.
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Wonder what the rides'll be?
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I'd be more comfortable with the rightul bashing of Hamas were it not for the previous implication that to be a Muslim you have to be a Jihadist as well. But, y'know. Maybe that wasn't the intent. So. How 'bout that Iron Man? Sure looks like that one's gonna be good, huh?
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But I still have hopes that it will do very very well. I have faith in Favreau and tons of faith in Downey Jr.
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Everything looks good, but, y'know, the trailer for Attack of the Clones damn near had me wetting my pants, and we see how that turned out. But then there's the cast, Downey in particular. Seems like they really are doing everything right so far, it's just far too early to tell how the script and story are working out. Shame, 'cause I could really use a knock-it-out-of-the-park adaptation around now, given I've got Transformers and FF coming up, and my hopes for both are low.
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Wouldn't it be great if Harry- if he actually gives a crap- had the balls NOT to agree with everybody else on this site by slagging this film, but instead said something POSITIVE. For gods sake- stop with the 'Spiderman 2 was perfect' bollocks. Come on Harry- Spidey 3 was more fun than the last two and you damn well know it.
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Black Panther movie. As long as it deals with it in context of Africa and African problems and does not try to place the blame entirely elsewhere. It should be about what kind of society we want to live in and be highly stylized so that it's not beating you over the head too hard. Of course, Hollywood will think that's too many black people who aren't comedians and/or rappers.
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If he likes it, he's gonna get bitched at for liking everything and being a studio tool. If he doesn't like it, he'll get bitched at for waiting to see everyone else's verdict before giving his opinion. If he sorta likes it, sorta doesn't, he'll get bitched at for trying to please everyone and not taking a stand. He's screwed, I say. I feel kinda bad for him. But not that bad, 'cause normally I think his reviews kinda suck anyway...
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killed idealism dead. Just wait for it - they're bringing back the black costume and I wouldn't be surprised if they have Parker kill someone. Maybe he will kill Tony Stark?
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It'd be *awful*, condescending, self-loathing crap if it made it out to be that all of Africa's problems stem from the white man or something, I agree. Problems are caused by callous Western industrialists, yes, but the greater part of the blame lies with the corrupt warlords in the region that sign away the rights of their people, then pt up sham democracies to try and gain worldwide legitimacy. But, yeah, I can't imagine what studio would make that kind of movie. And I can't blame them, I doubt it would actually make very much money. Which is a damn shame.
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changing over the years. (Of course, Cap remains Cap throughout it and does not do the post-modern dance like other heroes.) First movie is set during WWII - the main villain is Red Skull and the Nazis. It ends with Cap waking in the '60s. Second film is during the 60s features the sexual revolution/Vietnam and The Serpent Society. Third film takes place in the current period and has Madame Hydra and terrorism.
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the chance to be condescending. And they are wrong about almost everything important, so I don't think we should give them the opportunity.
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Rise to greatness, loss of innocence, and then a time of uncertainty and divisiveness. Seeing Cap, who never got over that first period, struggling through the others would b very interesting.
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Fair point about Harry being screwed one way or another- so why didn't he see it/ review it first? He usually orgasms about his comic book childhood etc etc- surely the Spidey franchise is the epitome of comic book/ movie fantasy. If he doesn't give an opinion then what's this site about?? He stood by his positive- no delirious- review of Attack of the Clones, so the wrath of haters should be a walk in the park. Give us your verdict, big man.
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I'm not a fan of doing realism in superhero movies, I prefer symbolism to convey ideas. It never occurred to me before that The Serpent Society would be a perfect representation of the 60s, but I think it would work.
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Our world is no longer an idealistic world. There are no clear cut good guys and bad guys. The world we live in today has killed idealism. Marvel, now, reflects that. Even DC recognizes that. Look at Justice League Unlimited and at the transformation of Superman's character throughout that series for proof of comics reflecting the real world.
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But I would then argue that the faith in idealism was misplaced to begin with. Superheroes are primarily about idealism not realism. Who wants to see a superhero do something the average joe would do? Unless, of course, you are trying to make the average joe feel better about himself instead of inspire him to be better. JLU was a great cartoon, but the way it ended was all a bit much, in my opinion. It reflected the darker tone DC had taken with their comics which was a bunch of bullshit, pardon my French.
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Everybody need to stop lying to themselves and just LIKE the movie! Sure, we wanted it to be spectacular Spiderman(no pun intended)movie, but it was just really good. If Sam would have left a cliffhanger to include Venom or the Lizard or something, people would have liked it better. But, then again, you probably wouldn't...
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idealism but even then they realize that the world in which they envision can never truly be. The Justice Lords episode was a great example. The Cadmus arc was a great example as well. People like heroes that are better than them but also like heroes who embody the public like Spider-Man does. Faith in idealism is misplaced and I think Alan Moore's Watchmen addressed that issue especially. Too much faith in idealism (or superheroes) is a bad thing.
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I have seen only two films tackle real issues. Batman Begins dealt with crime on a wide scale. Superman IV: The Quest for Peace dealt with nuclear disarmament which is a hot topic now as much as it was in the 80s. Hollywood feels that real issues are internal not external and in real life, it's both.
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In fact, I thought it was better than the first Spider-Man film, though not as tight structurally as Spider-Man 2. Some brief thoughts... first, YOU MUST see this at IMAX! Every scene popped out at me, the Sandman seemed more menacing than he did in the normal screen previews, New York was that much bigger. But anyway... 1) THANK YOU AICN talkbackers for lowering my expectations for this film! I went in expecting crap, came out loving it. My girlfriend was crying at the end. So, I guess she liked it, too. 2) The film seemed, to me, almost like Marvel Team-Up: The Movie, *** SPOILER*** when Harry/New Goblin comes to Spidey's aid against the terrible twosome. It was great seeing Web-Head teamed up with another power. It was also great to see the heroic redemption of Harry, though the scene veered dangerously close to Spy Kids territory.I also got the feeling of a Marvel What If?: The Movie. What if the radioactive spider had bitten someone else other than Peter, someone less worthy? Someone like an Eddie Brock? 3) I loved the "parallel universe" idea Raimi was playing with, with Eddie Brock and Gwen Stacy as almost a Bizarro Peter and Mary Jane. 4) The plot seemed to jump from point to point at times, perhaps due to editing down for time. I didn't have a problem with it, as I like filling in the gaps myself, anyway. The film seemed more about further explorations of the characters anyway, as opposed to worries about plot contrivances. 5) LOVED this cinematic version of Sandman. As the Sandman blows around buildings, reminded me of scenes from Kurosawa's Yojimbo, the DUST STORM following Toshiro Mifune like impending doom. 6) Had no problem with the coincidences of the film. Like I said, these seemed to me mere plot contrivances, convenient ones, in order to get to the more important issue at hand, the characters. 7) Loved Mary Jane's imperfect world. Paradise doesn't last forever. Life has its ups and downs. I think many of the girls in the audience could relate to her, including my own girlfriend. 8) Again, loved the team-up aspect of the film. Just like in the comics! Just like in an old Godzilla flick! 9) It was refreshing to see the film end without Spidey off swinging through New York, but in Mary Jane's embrace. This time, he puts Mary Jane before himself. Perhaps now, he is ready to commit to her. The End. Loved that! 10) Loved Harry's redemption as a human and as a hero. Couldn't have done it any better! Even liked the snowboard version of the Goblin's bat glider. Grommets should dig that! 11) Ha ha! Sorry all you Spider-Man fans/ Spider-Man 3 haters who had a crap time at the theaters this past weekend! I had a great time today! This coming from a dude who previously thought the franchise was shit and prefers Cassavetes films over summer blockbusters any day of the week! Ha ha! Oh well! I'll post more later, you SM3 haters! Wouldn't you like to be in my shoes? SPIDER-MAN 3 RULES THE DAY!
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I don't rely on the media to form my opinion, either. Done work for Habitat, taken part in local projects. You do what good that you can. Still, humanity continues to mostly suck in my opinion, and placing your hope in man is misguided. Unbreakable is not that good.
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It is really not so much faith in idealism as it is superheroes as the extension of the ideals themselves. Batman is about justice. Spider-Man is about being responsible. That is why to take them out of character is to ultimately destroy them.
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How come our society feels that if it's not on CNN, it's not important? How about the importance of a boy and a girl breaking up or coming together? Of a man or woman coming home from a full day's work yet still unfulfilled? Hw about the importance of dreams, hopes, and desires, canned and pre-manufactured as they may be by today's corporate marketing? A Black Panther film that deals with the situation in Darfur? what? How about just a Black Panther film? The greatest African-American film ever made was not a Spike Lee film, but a small independent film by Charles Burnett called "Killer of Sheep." The film wasn't about civil right, or racism, or how white people are evil, or about slavery, but simply about a black man in the ghettoes of Los Angeles struggling to be happy and take care of his family. That's what's important. That is truth. Everything else is a headline. And, oh yeah, and SPIDER-MAN 3 ROCKED!!!
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Because real issues, as I already said, exist internally AND externally. So because Darfur or Nuclear Disarmament or whatever is "just a headline," it means that the superhero should only deal with their problems and say fuck you to the world. Fantastic.
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Okay, I'm talking about filmmakers dealing with the issues. If, within the context of a film, say a Black Panther film, you throw him into the Darfur problem, which would be a bad idea on the filmmaker's part to begin with, of course our Wakandan Prince must now deal with it. That's what super-heroes do. I'm talking about the filmmakers. Filmmakers are artists. The realm of art is emotions. Sure Picasso made Guernica, but it was first and foremost, art. Why don't we just send John Singleton over to Africa to make peace over there? We don't. Because he's a freaking artist, not a politician! I don't watch Oliver Stone's "Platoon" to get a history lesson on Vietnam. I don't watch Hulk to get an education on gamma radiation. Sam Fuller said "Cinema is emotion." How true. Any film that puts at issue first and foremost the latest CNN headline is merely a TV Movie of the Week. And, oh yeah, SPIDER-MAN 3 IS KING OF THE WORLD!!
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I disagree. You can have a Black Panther film deal with Darfur and other things. How hard would it be for Black Panther to encounter an outsider who claims "I only want to help" and BP replies "Why haven't you helped with the other things that plague Africa/My kingdom" or whatever? It's not hard. It's called balance. Darfur raises a lot of emotions and you can balance a hard issue with emotion. Balance. Balance. Balance. X-Men's 1 and 2 deals with the emotion and the real world issue of prejudice. It does it well because it has balance.
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I don't think anyone wants a superhero movie "ripped from the headlines", but it'd be nice to see one in which the filmmaker's use the metaphor of superheroics to address macroscopic injustice as well as microscopic injustices.
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or accentuate the external conflict if you really want to make it zip.
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peace of Wakanda and Panther having to choose if he wants to get involved (let outsiders solve their own problems) or remain isolationist.
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Emotion IS entirely subjective, which is why people love it so much. Superheroes are the big questions about important themes: justice, prejudice, power, revenge, responsibility, etc.
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Okay, some perspective here. We are talking about the Black Panther, a comic book character. But... yeah, I could see it if it was done in some metaphorical way as zb.brox suggests, where the Panther must deal with the kingdom of Wakanda as well, his is ruler, and Wakanda suffers from civil war or insurgent unrest, or something. I usually hate metaphors, but they seem to work for me in comic book films. As you said, balance is key. But the minute you place environment over human character, unless it's the latest David Attenborough nature documentary, you are doomed to the path of the Dark side, and forever your destiny it will control. And, oh yeah, SPIDER-MAN 3 > SPIDER-MAN 1!
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Did you think we wanted to make a documentary about Wakanda?
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But on the other hand, do you think the continent of Africa would appreciate it if Hollywood/America were to make the greatest black super-hero ever movie about how fucked up Africa is? What if the world solves the Darfur problem in say, five years, wouldn't that make the Black Panther film kind of dated? If Hollywood makes another super-hero film, does it have to include yet another metaphor of America as imperialist power? I have black friends (no, I'm not black), and they could care less about films made by white filmmakers or Spike Lee about slavery or racism or plantations or Africans killing themselves or inner-city crime. No, they prefer movies like Friday, or Rush Hour, or Booty Call, or really just the latest roller coaster entertainment movie. Why make a Black Panther film with so much baggage? Can't it just be about T'Challa vs. his mortal enemy, the Klaw or something? Like I said, in the interest of timeliness, political issues and world problems and headlines come and go, but the human being, character, is forever. If a Black Panther film had been made in the 80's about starvation in Ethiopia, it'd be kind of a dated film, wouldn't it? Yes, it would. And, oh yeah, SPIDER-MAN 3 WAS A NEAR MOVIE MASTERPIECE OF SUPER-HERO PROPORTIONS! ENJOYED IT ALMOST AS MUCH AS X2, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS HULK! 'NUFF SAID!
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it, but what is going on in Darfur is not unique to Africa, it has happened throughout human history. And in all likelyhood will again, unfortunately.
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You don't have to make it specifically about Darfur. make it about treatment of third world countries. Make it about how humans have the need to be master over the unknown. It can be a vague issue but a big issue. Prejudice, which X-Men deals with, is vague because it's prejudice in general, not a specific kind of prejudice like racial, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Oh yeah, and Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man 1 > Spider-Man 3. The Hulk was not better than Spider-Man 3.
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If the Black Panther movie had been made about starvation in Ethiopia in the 80s it would be relevant as long as there are people starving in the world. And there are. And probably always will be.
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is universal - like the hardest thing is forgiving yourself first when you backhand your girlfriend. Hee hee.
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Don't bash Aunt May's advice. She got it from Thai Nguyen's China One restaurant. Best fortune cookie advice in town. For example, mine read: Revenge is like a poison. Lucky numbers: 1, 3, 7, 26, 43.
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...and he has a big man-crush on the environment.
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non-interventionist policy. I would say you could easily build a film around that. What do you do when a position of neutrality no longer works both practically but also morally? It could actually be a powerful discussion about sovereignty which is not just an issue for the US but one that has always been with man.
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Arcade can make an appearance in Spider-Man 4 and put May inside the Giant Fortune Cookie of Doom and end her advice once and for all?
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But why saddle Africa with that problem? Yes, Africa is a fucked up continent, but I'm sure it has more to offer than starvation, genocide, apartheid, and wholesale slaughtering of Northern Mountain Gorillas, I'm just not sure what. But I'm sure there's something there other than what CNN or Fox News tells America. But why not give Africa their fairy tale? Europe has done it for centuries? Why not focus on something more positive? Why can't we have Eddie Murpy's African kingdom in "Coming to America"? Why not just make a Black Panther film about T'Challa's challenge to live up to the Panther legacy? Sam Raimi didn't make Spider-Man about American imperialism did he? Sure, Bryan Singer based the X movies on black civil rights/gay rights, but Stan Lee wrote the original series that way. It was the right approach. But Black Panther is a smaller character, like Spidey, albeit, ruler of a kingdom. I mean, I could see dealing with the issue of having to manage an entire country a problem to deal with, but not necessarily having to make it timely. I think I'd prefer to see a smaller concept Panther film. Hell, I'll write it myself if I have to. And, oh yeah, SPIDER-MAN 3>SPIDER-MAN 1 because in 3, the character's emotional responses seemed more motivated (as in coming from somewhere previous in the film) and 3 treated the main villain with more respect than 1 did. SPIDER-MAN 3 = DA BOMB!
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was ignored entirely when Wakanda is located in Africa. Plus, there *is* the opportunity to show the fairy tale of the prince who steps out from the safety of his kindgom to do what is right.
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and maybe even have Spider-Man fight his way through Chicken Chow Mein before encountering his newest foe: Ramen: The Noodle Man.
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"1 did" BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! More time was devoted to the development of Green Goblin than Venom and Sandman combined.
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Why? Opportunity. Spidey's an average joe, he's a photographer and a student. Black Panther is a *king*. I'm all for Africa having their fairy tales, but in the world right now, and for decades or centuries, Africa has been the place most afflicted by war, poverty, disease, and famine. If there's a better place to sell the story of a superhero who has to contend with real, macroscopic evil and the way that people allow it to flourish, that seems like the place. At least, if we want it to be based on a recognizable earth...
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Anyone ever hear of that film? Probably not. It's an eighties film that deals with a young African boy, a kitchen toto, caught up in Kenya's colonial war for indepence. Although it's a historical film, it's also about how fucked up life is in general. It's about the consequences of reality. If anyone can pick it up, I highly recommend it. Back to Black Panther, either way, I could see a Panther film being high concept, as well. It had just better be good, and entertaining. I HEART SPIDER-MAN 3!
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Base Black Panther on the story of the Bhudda. Like the Bhudda, T'Challa is a young prince protected from knowledge of the outer world by the safety of his kingdom, but when he steps out of it, sees how fucked up it is. So our young prince returns to that outside to help, albeit secretly, as the Black Panther! You reading this Hollywood? Hell, I'll write it myself! And, oh yeah, SPIDER-MAN 3 KICKED SUPER-HERO MOVIE ASS!!
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Sounds like a nice best of both worlds kinda thing.
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As I remember, The Goblin's only motivation was petty revenge and "Not guilty by reason of insanity." Plus, 1 focused more on Peter, either way. And I hated the way, The Green Goblin, perhaps Spidey's greatest villain, his Joker, was punked at the end. Sure, the action followed the comics, but it happened because the Goblin was an idiot, complete with Willem Defoe/Osborn muttering "Doh!' before he gets skewered by his own glider. The idiot... Like I said, treated with little respect. SANDMAN KICKS GOBLIN ASS!
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Glad you like it, zbrox. Wish I could continue the discussion but I have to step out for a few. Peace. AND GO SEE SPIDER-MAN 3 AT AN IMAX NOW!
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While I think it is interesting to have T'Challa explore outside of his world, I don't want to see it trashing his kingship and making the theme about the righteous youth rebelling, acting like the royalty in Wakanda are all a bunch of elitist douchebags. I hate it when everyone acts like da youth are smarter than adults. I was thinking more of along the lines of: those who have much, much is required.
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He's treated with more respect because Sandman was an empathetic character. I mean, let's disregard that Norman had his company taken away from him, considered a hack, and expected to rot away peacefully because the board of directors were a little greedy and wanted to get rid of Norman. Guess your empathy only goes so far.
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everyone else in that movie could've used a bit of that.
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I agree there, too. And I liked Norman a lot more than I liked the Goblin. Any time he put that mask on, the character got a little bit less interesting. Though I thought the eyeslits were a stupid halfway measure that removed *any* chance he had of being actually scary. Doc Ock's still my favorite in the trilogy, if only because it's the only time I thought both the character *and* the design really worked.
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True, Err, being a Bob Dylan/Frank Capra kind of guy, I do tend to root for the blue collar small guy more than the white collar corporate big whig, but we're all humans. But... Dock Ock and Sandman, in my opinion, were given better motivation for being who they were and doing what they did: Doc Ock - science, madman must finish project, and Sandman - handicapped daughter (what better motivation do u need?). But more importantly, for me, Doc Ock and Sandman were treated with more respect at the end of the film. Again, I didn't care for the way Goblin's death was treated, almost comedic. And superninja, you don't think that Harry, while under the influence, had as much intensity as Norman. Of course, it's hard to match Willem Defoe's intensity as an actor, the man is all external. In my opinion, SPIDER-MAN 3 MAY BE THE BEST IN THE SERIES!
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Disagree. I think it's a fallacy to think our elders know better than our youth. For example, I give you the recent news story from Georgia of a high school voting to finally racially desegregate their prom at the behest of their traditionally thinking racist parents who came up with the rule. Another example, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson vs. Barack Obama. True, the older generation has time and experience on its side, but that doesn't necessarily always make them right. Y'know, we may have to wait for all the old elder politicians(Cheney, Castro, anyone?) to die off before we can let youth take over and make true changes to our global village. That is, unless said youth have already been brainwashed by said elders.
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...sometimes older people hold on to stupid ideas that they're too comfortable to let go of. And I also think sometimes young people are too immature and inexperienced to have any idea what the fuck they're talking about. Portraying either age group as consistently right is wrong.On another note, when I read about the freaking Georgia prom story I seriously slipped out. What the good God damn is wrong with the parents in that town?
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Panther: Superninja would be a great subtitle for the sequel. ;)
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Having seen the movie now, I read through Moriarty's review and disagree on some points. Mainly Mary Jane. I feel Sam Raimi, especially with this film, has given Mary Jane her own will, her own character. Raimi and Dunst together have created a sentient breathing thinking human being. An American woman, at that. Mary Jane is not some robot, or some mentally enslaved Asian male order bride(forgive me for being stereo-typical, just an amusing example) who will wipe Peter's ass everytime he's at the crapper. She is allowed to want, to desire, and in this film, to feel jealous. Jealousy of Peter's/Spidey's popularity vs. her bad reviews, jealousy of Gwen Stacy. She is allowed to seek out support, in the form of Harry, when it seems to not be there with Peter running off to fight crime and grab the glory everytime he hears a police siren. In Spider-man 2, it was a turn-on for MJ, now it's getting old for her. Loved Raimi's and Dunst's ultimate portrayal of MJ.
Then, I disagree with Sandman's motivation in the form of his daughter. Her actual corporal being it seems to me was not as important as her idea. The idea of her needing help. He was in jail for some time, the mother refused to let Marko let him see her. His daughter's memory was the fuel he was running on. And that was provided by a few well placed edits of Sandman clutching his daughter's picture locket. Sometimes an idea can be more powerful than the reality. Third, didn't see Eddie Brock as a half-baked characterization as I saw him as the anti-Peter Parker. A kind of symbol in the film. I usually hate symbols and metaphors, but they seem to work in comic movies. Brock probably grew up a spoiled brat who got everything he wanted, or grew up bitter not having everything and will now do anything to get it, even ask JC to kill Peter. He's a bit of an enigma. Funny, actually. Fourth, I LOVED the Harry amnesia sequence. We got to see something we never really saw in the previous films. Harry and Peter as chums, as playground buddies. Loved the basketball section. For me, it served to show us a glimpse of the true Harry, not the twisted Harry blinded by hate and the Goblin formula. It reminded me of that moment in the X-Men when for a brief moment, Jean Grey is no longer Dark Phoenix, but herself again. I thought the sequence in SM3 was magical, albeit brief. BUT I do agree with Moriarty that you need to see this movie in IMAX. SPIDER-MAN 1= < SPIDER-MAN 2. -
SPIDER-MAN 1 = SPIDER-MAN 2.
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Which means they failed in a sense. Ha. I think Franco would've made a great Peter and Maguire a much better Harry.
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chicks hate. She inspires jealousy and is way out of Peter Parker's league which was the whole fun of it. Raimi's MJ is a living breathing selfish petty American girl.
Left Jameson at the altar at the last minute, but was willing to string the guy along until Peter came through. Kisses Peter's BEST FRIEND because Peter isn't paying attention to her. Thinks here career competes with Parker's for coming first (laughable, unless her singing is used to terrorize criminals). -
is a drama queen. But, personally, I always found comic MJ pretty boring. Ultimate MJ rules. ;)
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The worst part of the whole symbiote was that is was a black suit in a chest in Peter's closet to begin with. They should have had it bonded with Peter from the beginning where he just had to think about it and the suit would be on him. At least then it would have made more sense when they showed Venom later taking the suit on and off his body with his mind.
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not instinctive. The youth don't have it. They have a soundbyte that they probably don't know where it originated or what it really means. Sure, some old people are unwise and we should not listen to them. But not all progress is good, either. And after several generations of this, everyone can be a flippin' idiot.
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Spidey. Which is as it should be, of course. :)
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it was about Peter's choices. You know, like choosing to let a criminal escape at the end of the movie?
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Okay. I've decided to champion this film, so all SM3 haters still reading this thread, bring it on! Here's a theory on the black suit. Perhaps the symbiote takes on a host by entering its mind, and becoming something deeply engrained in the host's psyche, in Peter's case, Spider-man. Perhaps... perhaps the suit was sneakier than we thought. Kind of sensed Peter's good character and mebbe, just mebbe tried to sneak into Peter's life thru the side door, posing as an ordinary yet exceptional black costume that Peter could take on and off at will, while the whole time it knowing that Peter's will would eventually be completely under its control, and thus eventually be in control of Peter's life as a parasite symbiote. But with Eddie, there was no need to be sneaky. Eddie being the jerk he is, completely succumbed to the will of the symbiote, and became what he was, an anti-Peter Parker, an anti-Spiderman, a Venom. Booyah! Any more haters want to try me on? ME HEART'S SPIDER-MAN 3!
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Agree with you on that aspect of the symbiote suit, too! Choices! This film is getting better by the minute...
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Peter, pouring sand out of his Spider-sock, says, "Where do these guys keep coming from?" Exactly! Ha ha!
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What is the 3 worst films ever made?
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I'm sorry your life is so miserable... I, on the other hand, loved Spiderman 3, thought Superman Returns was in some ways inferior and superior to the original, and yes, thought X3 was a bit of a hack job, but I've had minor problems with the X-Men series from the get go. But don't feel so bad, you're not alone on this website. Misery loves company, right?
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And he played a totally different part. After seeing the film I kept wondering how come Raimi didn't cast Grace based off his wit and physique, which was note perfect for Peter Parker and would have skyrocketed Grace into superstardom. He totally had more acting chops, charisma, and overall presence than Maguire could ever hope to have. Overall just a good movie, and I suspect not worth repeated viewings. Maybe a rental at most. I think they should hand the reigns over to a new director and cast. The movie itself had some good points such as Grace, Howard, and Church but was overall too thin on the action and mostly about domestic shit that should have been edited out.
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It would have been a much better film.
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Grace pulls off the jokes better than Maguire as well as the confidence, but Maguire has something not a lot of actors have, that is, depth and subtlety. Something I think that was required with Raimi's approach to the character. Maguire with one stare can give us a thousand things. With Grace, I don't get that deep complexity but I do get awkward comedic pause a la "That 70's Show." Plus, I can't think of an actor better at doing the whole awkward teenager bit than Tobey Maguire. No, sorry, Doc, but Maguire was born to play this role. Oh, and the Spider-man comics have always dealt domestic shit. Again, sorry Doc. Can I get a second opinion?
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Now yer just being a quack...
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He comes across as autistic, perhaps. I like Maguire best when he has a mask on if that tell you anything. The dead eyed stare was cute when he was playing a kid in high school not a GROWN MAN.
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is still too wimpy. Peter grows up to be a very attractive young man. He only looks nerdy in high school. Got news for you - Peter is a hot geek in the comic books. He married a supermodel and dated incredibly gorgeous women, the kind that would never have looked at him until he got the spider bite.
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Well done.
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superduperninja, why do you have the same laugh as Err? You two...aren't...the same person...are you? So basically you've hated Maguire from day 1 and therefore hate the Spiderman trilogy as a whole because of that? Sorry, can't help you with that. This is about SM3. And really, not taking into account context and subtest, anybody looks autistic when they're staring off into space. Yes, even you, superninja. And Peter's not really a grown man, yet, he's still in college/13th grade. Anything else I can help you with? Can I read you a bedtime story?
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thats the thing about sm2, the whole atmosphere and the way things were being done was very "poetic", while in sm3 the coincidences were so big and obvious that you cant expect anyone with half a brain to sit through it without cringing. random guy falls into a particle test site (with no monitoring or security guards or even a peephole for the scientists into the test site itself) who just happens to also be ben's killer.... maybe its my brains working overtime but i still remember watching sm2 and not giving a shit if ock robbed the same bank where aunt may and pete were, because the chances of that happening is much higher than some nuclear test site ran by god knows what billion dollar corperation and not have any survilence at all.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I think he's just drawn that way! Kind of hard to draw someone ugly in comics and make them look somewhat normal at the same time. Film is a totally different medium. Right?
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i enjoyed him in the first and 2nd movie but i still remember him becoming super overweight before shooting started on 3. and it shows. in that scene where hes sitting in his room on the bed, just before he goes and fights harry, you can see that his double chin, not an acting complaint but more of a physical problem. at times the movie looks like it was shot during different months, action sequences where he toned down and nonaction sequences where hes still got baby fat all over him.
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http://www.mrlcomics.com/spectacular_spiderman_vol1_covers/spectacular_spiderman_vol1cover_120.jpg 'Cause he was dreamin'.
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Before all...three of you SM3 lovers flame me, let me explain myself fully. First off, I actually liked this movie 3/4 the way in. I loved the fight scenes, laughed at Parker acting like a pimp, etc etc. But as soon as the Jazz scene happened...it all went downhill. Raimi basically fucked up any hope with Venom. Raimi acts like a 8 year old kid who is told to mow the grass. He is told to do something over and over and over until he is forced outside, and even then, he just does a half ass job, comes back inside, and tells his parents that they never should have made him mow the lawn in the first place. That's how he uses Venom in this movie. Fan boys were bitching about how badly they wanted Venom in it, and finally Raimi gave in...but only put in a 50% effort into the character. He figured if he was going to put Venom into the movie, why not make it look SO bad, so that when the same fan boys see the movie, they wish Venom was never in it. And to top it off, he kills Venom after being in the movie for a whole 5 minutes. Raimi has ALWAYS hated the Spiderman comics. He never wanted anything to do with them, just the idea of the characters. I can't believe people are just now starting to realize this. If I watched all three movies back to back to back, it would require more than a page of simple things that he refused to keep like the comics. Since when did Peter Parker get the ability to shoot web out of his wrists? And now Sandman can turn into a huge godzilla creature and fly away like dust in the wind?! What kind of drugs was Raimi smoking when he decided to make this movie? When did he decide to go for the whole Batman Forever look? Even though the end of the Batman trilogy sucked, it never ended with batman CRYING to a villain with an apology of how he truely forgives him for his crimes. There was more crying in Spiderman 3 than a made for TV lifetime movie. I was expecting to see Diane Keaton come out at any moment and give Peter a hug.
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http://www.mrlcomics.com/spectacular_spiderman_vol1_covers/spectacular_spiderman_vol1cover_194.jpg
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Coincidences happen all the time in real life. Coincidences play a major part in literature. Ever read Greek mythology? Perhaps the Fates were sending these five individuals (Peter, Mary, Harry, Flint, and Eddie) on a pre-destined course? Or maybe it's just all crazy coincidence? Happens in movies all the time. Particularly fantasy movies. Joker killed Bruce Wayne's parents. Leia happens to send C3P0 to his creator's/her father's home planet so that her brother/his creator's son can happen to buy them, or something... Bruce Banner happens to be dating his father's enemy's daughter. Or something. You get the point, don't you?
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http://www.mrlcomics.com/amazing_spiderman_covers/amazing_spiderman_cover_532_2nd_printing.jpg My point is, he looks like Franco, not Maguire.
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but the sheer number of them in this movie and the way they shortcutted everything was just too much for me... ill respect your choice for loving the movie, i would envy to have that experience, being able to love 3 movies rather than love 2 and be unsatisfied with this final one like me. they were plently of coincidences also in spiderman 1 and 2 but they way things were set up it would be hard to dwell on them in your first viewing because IMO almost everything was as perfect as possible while still keeping the fact that its a movie and not comic book panels.
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in the first movie, but he practically looked homely in part 3.
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Harry post a S3 review. With all the readers having seen S3 already, it would have to be your most over-anal-yzed (by AICN readers) review of all time. ***** Sidebar: Harry start numbering all posters comments so we can reference them.
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so integral to the story that they seemed too impossible. It's a comic book movie, for the most part I don't mind that kind of stuff (although they should avoid it if they can). But when everything is tied into everything it gets absurd. Having Goblin figure out Spidey was Parker and then attack Aunt May makes sense. Having Ock rob a bank May and Parker are at is okay because it actually comes across as random. It was just a little piled on here. I did not have a problem with Venom at all or Brock getting the symbiote at the church - that seemed a natural progression like Ock robbing the bank in 2. The Sandman stuff was too much.
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I already discussed Venom/Eddie Brock's importance in a previous post. Don't feel like re-typing it. Find it if u like. As for Venom dying so quickly, well I guess he was just an amateur. He did take out Harry, another amateur. As for Sandman, think it's totally cool that he's like a god, a sand god. That he can not only control his own sand, but that around him as well. That if he seperates each grain, he can then drift away with the wind. Totally cool. And as for crying... whatsthematter pops? Afraid of getting in touch with yer sensitive side? Batman never did, so he never cries. But Spiderman was always crying in the comics. The little girly man...
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year olds men, but not long ago they did. Maguire is perfect at playing an arrested adolescent, though, so maybe you have a point.
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And this movie did not. People in the theater were laughing when Tobey cried in particular!
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..because its painfull..i mean like...come on..that movie sucked hard.
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was the worse. mj breaks up with him because harry threatens? pete doesnt know how to be a boyfriend, like maybe hug her when shes crying and try to settle things...
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James Franco looks too much like James Dean. Peter Parker is not James Dean. Peter Parker is not the freak from Freaks and Geeks. Peter Parker is....Tobey Maguire. Live with that fact. This is not a test. This is not a dream. As for myself, I'm going to sleep, perchance to dream...
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Maybe you saw the movie with a crowd of steroid popping testosterone over loaded body builders who think little girly men crying is for girly men. My girlfriend was crying with Peter and Mary at the end of the movie. I won't admit I was crying, because I'm not a little girly man...good night...
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...you suck hard. There.
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mean he looks like him. Franco is pleasant looking, he is not drop-dead gorgeous. That would be Hugh Jackman. Who cried in X2 and no one laughed at HIM. Hahah.
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Sandman was NEVER a sand god. He was never able to just drift away into the wind like a sandstorm. He was able to control his own body, mainly his hands (turning into hammers/tools/etc). Sure, he was able to mix into other sand, but that didn't mean he was able to just transport from town to town as he pleased through a mysterious sand storm. And what with the godzilla thing? If he's able to do that, why can't he just consume the whole city in sand and kill spiderman? Hey, Raimi already fucked up the whole series, why can't he change one more thing?
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Yawn.
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This is not the comics! It's the movies! It's IMAX! We saw Sandman with the big sand fists early on in the film. Okay, let's see a next level, maybe? Giant walking Sandman maybe? Sandman as dust devil? The Stan Lee/ Steve Ditko stories are not gospel, though they're close. What they did worked for comics. Let's see something work for the IMAX format now. Sand hammer fists would be a little boring after a while. I think Raimi still stayed true to spirit of the characters despite the changes. I think, anyway. Good night. Mr. Sandman, bring me a drink...
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I don't know what happened. I went to the theatre in a good mood, maybe that's it - even if I wasn't gonna go at all (see my previous post). For some reason, this is the Spidey movie I enjoyed seeing the most.
Maybe it was that the plot is thinner that the last two. (SPOILER: it's the SAME movie as 2, which was the same movie as 1, but with the first 30 minutes cut out.) I kept thinking to myself during the screening: why are you enjoying this so much? Were the steak fajitas I had before the movie laced with LCD, or something? I concluded wit myself that it's because this is the most Sam Raimi of them all. He really lets loose of the style that makes him one of the best directors around in some sequences, here - the style we had not seen since he started doing Spidey. We're talking Darkman stuff!
I must therefore agree with Moriarty. No plot (but I don't care, these are lame characters, anyway), but some of the best superhero action sequences I've ever seen. Oh, and Tobey has finally won me over with the dancing. I must be having some kind of flashback... I dunno.
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..you know its true.
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Raimi was at sony on the day he got Spiderman because he thought he was going to direct something else and they offered him spiderman and sony told him that if he didnt take it they were going to dump it. So he took it.
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will we get a she-ra movie?
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was seriously one of the scariest things I ever saw as i kid. The bit with Skeletors head emerging suddenly from the water and at the end of the credits too. nightmarish.
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..wtf ? If it has to happen give dolph a cameo.He deserves and needs it..Sure got to pay bills.
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That's it. That's all they had to do to make this work... the first Spider-Man had a lot to offer, but it wasn't perfect in the script department (and the CGI sucked). With Spider-Man 2, it was like all of those problems were suddenly ironed out... the script seemed flawless, the chemistry and interplay between Peter and MJ/Tobey and Kirsten seemed perfect, and even the CGI was somehow better. The story primarily revolved around CHARACTER (they were well observed, and there weren't too many of them), which made Part 2 one of the few comic book films worth taking seriously. Spidey 3 isn't a complete wash... there's a lot to enjoy here... but it's kind of painful to see after Spider-Man 2. After the perfect storytelling offered in Part 2, seeing this script slowly go to pot is kind of wrenching. And so many problems here could've been easily avoided... Sandman or Venom, pick one. There isn't room for both. I don't care if Harry Osborn/New Goblin/whatever was foreshadowed in Part 2, he didn't need to be in this one... no one would've cared. And if you want to pursue the whole symbiote/dark Spidey storyline, you have to do it convincingly... you can't just go through the motions and race through the plotpoints. I mean, how long does it take for Topher to turn into Venom? All of two seconds. I'm afraid to touch the dance numbers, except to say that Peter Parker tapdancing brought the whole thing frighteningly close to Batman and Robin territory... again, Raimi's heart doesn't feel in it. He probably felt that his take on the series was too light for "Dark Parker," so he just plays the whole thing for laughs. Before I get carried away describing all of these drawbacks, the movie does have a lot going for it... it never completely collapses. It comes close a few times, but there's always enough energy and charm to keep the whole thing moving (however awkwardly). I don't care what Mori says, the chemistry between Peter and MJ is still there and sort of becomes the heart of the movie, the reason for it all. Say what you want fanboys, I was genuinely relieved when MJ lived through this one, and I feel that their relationship has really become the anchor for the series... maybe Kirsten was right. Maybe this wouldn't have worked without her. I also enjoyed the final dialogue between Sandman and Spider-Man... after all the plot mess and hubbub, this ties everything up nicely and gives the film a point... the message about forgiveness is ultimately well done. So, there you go, my take on it... kind of a shame, but not without its strong points. Mori's probably right that Raimi needs to move to greener pastures... in fact, at this point, the series probably needs a complete reboot. I wouldn't mind seeing James Cameron finally film his script... but it does need fresh blood.
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Hi there! Just yer friendly neighborhood Spiderman 3 lover here to counter a few of your complaint points! Seems this thread is now off the loop so nobody'll read this, but whatever! Anyway... 1) Sure there was room for both Venom and Sandman. You wanted more time to develop the villains maybe? Look at SM 1 and 2. Actually very little time was spent on those villains, also. In fact, in 2, it seems Otto Octavius got more focus than Doc Ock did. It seems Raimi's main focus this entire trilogy was Peter and Mary and Harry's story. For Venom, he focused more on Eddie Brock, the anti-Peter Parker. Venom was just a bad result of Brock's tainted character. As for treating Venom with more respect, scre 'im. Always hated Venom anyway, the punk. Besides, without both villains, we wouldn't have had that awesome Marvel Team-Up sequence with New Goblin/Harry and Spidey/Peter. Which brings me to... 2) Harry. Yes, he neeed to be in this one. His story needed to be resolved. And, I cared. Chekov said, "If you show the gun, you must fire it." Harry's story has been built up throughout the trilogy, and needed to be settled. It was a major part of the story. It also brought the Goblin story full circle. In the comics, the Goblin was an entity that haunted Peter almost his entire career, from Goblin 1, to Goblin 2, to Hobgoblin. Same as in the films. Without Harry, all Peter has are May and Mary. Harry is Peter's chum, his brother. This was fully realized with the amnesia sequence, their first battle, and their team-up at the end. Harry was integral to the story. The way Darth Vader was integral(well not as much, but...) to Star Wars. 3) The dance number. Raimi seemed to be playing with alternate realities, parallel Bizarro universes with this movie. Brock himself was a Bizarro Peter. The dance sequence played to me like the nightmare sequence from Frank Capra's "It's a Wonderful Life." What If? (another old Marvel comic raimi seemed to reference) the spider had bit someone else? Someone bad? What if Peter had not learned the lesson of responsibility from Ben's death? What if there was great power, but no great responibility? Maybe we'd have disfigured Harry, broken cameras, and jazz piano playing acrobatic dancing showboating irresponsible Peter.
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I haven't seen the film, but I watched the street dancing montage and the finale on Youtube. Wow. Was that ever bad. The acting, writing, and CGI was ATROCIOUS, bordering on amateurish. Did they actually spent $250 million on this?!?!? How much time did they spend on the script, about 5 minutes? This was a mail-in job by all involved, done more out of obligation than genuine interest in the project.
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I was going to say something scathing, but I've decided against it, because when you wrote that you had to *predict* that people would have scathing remarks about judging films based on clips on Youtube. So let me ask, do you really expect anyone to take your opinion seriously when it's based on out-of-context on-line clips of dubious quality?
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What I meant to add (and should have) was that the poor quality stood out even more *because* the scenes were out of context. Isolated on their own, the clips were bad. It is true that I have not seen the film in its entirety, but based on what I saw, I was really quite shocked at the results....not to mention disappointed.
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My suggestion to you is if you're going to see the movie, stop watching clips on freakin' Youtube, of all things, and see the film in IMAX, if you live near one. Don't wait for it to come out on DVD, either. I think perhaps Raimi filmed this with IMAX in mind. It's really my best IMAX experience ever. And I think if you do that, any gripes you have with acting, CGI, or writing will melt away with the butter in yer popcorn... Youtube...jeez...
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Want to see some concept art from a real great artist? he does Cover paintings for Marvel. Marko Djuerdivc or something like that.
http://tinyurl.com/yune6z
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stunning movie if they make a pure fantasy film (NO REALISM - ZIP) that is all-ages and not faux dark. He-Man is basically Shazam set in a Conan fantasy world. One of the things that I like about the original cartoon was that He-Man and Adam resemble each other in their builds. The newer cartoon got rid of that and I find it sort of creepy when the wirey kid becomes a grown man and then acts like a completely different person. If I were writing this I would make the case that He-Man is actually Prince Adam's adult self - the man he will become - brought into the past by magic.
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I have to agree, I've never enjoyed seeing an IMAX movie more. (I did miss out on 300 IMAX, though, curse it!)
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But Superman Returns, X3 and Spidey 3 are the worst films ever made? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Not even close. Worst films ever made: From Justin to Kelly, Manos: The Hand of Fate, and Gigli are some of the worst. As far as you possibly meaning worst superhero films? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Elektra, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace and Batman and Robin are infinitely worse. You fail.
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--were both disappointing, but far from terrible. I think even comparing them to X3 is out of order, but calling any of them the "worst" is out of whack. Superman Returns wasn't even the worst *Superman* movie.
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This has waaaaaaaaay more replay value than the other two. I guess people were expecting too much instead of concentrating on the positives such as the action scenes and the great campy comedy it had.
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It's kind of wierd. When I first heard rumors that Venom might be in S3 i was really excited. Then I heard that he would only be in it at the end and it would be a sort of cliff-hanger to lead into Venom being the major bad guy in Spidey 4. Then i was mad because I wanted to see Venom used properly in this film. Then I found out Venom was in this move more than just at the end. But after seeing the movie it would have been so much cooler if they had just played it up for Venom to be the villain in Spidey 4 and not rushed/forced him into this one. I love Topher Grace as Brock but it could have been so much more for the character of Venom. Oh and, yeah Sandman cried a lot and wasn't a true bad guy but in the comics Sandman turned good towards the end before he was killed. Maybe that was what they were trying to show?
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His rod will be your doom.Man, Soul Calibur is awesome. And hilarious.
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Cause great campy comedy and some nifty action sequences are always better than strong plot and good character development. By your notion the 60s Batman movie is better than Spider-Man 2.
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It's brilliant and you freaking know it. In 2010, Larry David IS The Vulture!
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Most people do not like her character. Gwen Stacy would've been fine it could've have easily been explained that she and Peter were taking time away from each other to reevaluate since she is prone to leaving men at the altar on the day of her wedding. That could get REAL expensive for Peter.
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I think a lot of people would've found it weird to have them immediately broken up after finally getting together at the very end of the last flick. Personally, I'd have had no problem with MJ dying at the *end* of this one, though, and reversing the Gwen/MJ continuity.
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for ditching John Jameson on her wedding day. Blame Katherine Ross in "The Graduate" and Claudette Colbert in "It Happened One Night." They started this whole ditching yer fyancee on the wedding day in the movies thing. Lesson learned: If yer a C-list male character engaged to the female star of the film, best be warned, you might get dumped on yer wedding day.
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there is no reason for Peter to like this girl. She cheats on Peter the second he steps out of line, leaves a guy at the altar the minute Spider-Man becomes available, and gets tired of her boyfriend being a hero instead of paying attention to her. Give me a break!
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MJ and had Gwen as the MJ instead.
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MJ is the typical annoying modern girl who thinks everything is about her and doesn't know what she wants. I guess some people find that fascinating, it makes me root for Peter to ditch her ASAP!
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...perfect in some Stepford wife kind of way, or that she was some angel sent down from heaven. She came from a broken home. She's an artist(actreess). That usually means free-spirit, as in, she acts on her impulses. Doesn't just do something because it's the stand up thing to do. No, it seems from the get go, she's a girl that does what she wants, proper thing be damned. Maybe that explains she ditched her "cool crowd" high school friends to befriend Harry and Peter. She's not perfect. I don't think that was ever the intention. Nobody is, Not even Peter. She just happens to be his high school crush, the girl next door, the girl he's been in love with since he can remember. To us, she may be imperfect, but to Peter, she's the world. Well, half the world. Spidey is the other half. And therein lies the conflict...
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--that MJ's characterization has been pretty consistent. And I also agree that even if Peter's too good for her, I can see why he'd hang onto her, he doesn't exactly have a lot of experience with girls, or people in general. I think the movies really handle the relationship just fine, but that doesn't mean I much like the MJ they portray.
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Pbtttttttt!
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Have to agree with you. The film was rushed and all Raimi did was rehash and use previous scenes in the other two movies. I found the film a waste. Surely they could have come up with a better plot and some better CGI. Topher was not he person to play venom and neither is Tobey the guy to play Spiderman. Bring in Wes Bentley and gives us a hot MJ. Please get rid of Raimi and let him continue re-making the original Evil Dead. Thank God he's off The Hobbit!!!!!
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Brock enters a christian based church with evil intent and leaves it as evil incarnate. What more could you liberal christian haters ask for? Thank goodness it wasn't a mosque or the ACLU would be up in arms...
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Way to impose your agenda on a completely unrelated subject. I'm almost impressed.
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