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Moriarty Takes A Swing At... Er, With SPIDER-MAN 3!!

The hardest reviews to write are genuinely mixed reviews, where you’ve got both good and bad to express, and you’re not really committed to either. So it is with SPIDER-MAN 3, Sam Raimi’s latest entry into the series. And before I go any further, let’s review: here’s my review for SPIDER-MAN, and here’s my review for SPIDER-MAN 2. I stand by both reviews. I really like the SPIDER-MAN series so far. I thought the second one did pretty much everything right. And I walked into this one expecting another effortless home run from Raimi. It’s not, though. It’s not a terrible movie, but it’s certainly not a great one, either. It’s got a lot of issues. It’s a really sloppy script. Raimi pulls off some sequences here that are just exhausting, some of the best superhero action I’ve ever seen anyone shoot. The full-length version of the first fight between Peter and Harry is punishing, completely character-driven, and pretty suspenseful. There are moments of action throughout that are surprising, well-designed, well-animated. But the movie is stitched together on the flimsiest coincidences imaginable, a disappointing quilt of indifferent exposition, and on a script level, it makes so many frustrating leaps that it ultimately collapses. I think this one works as a quickly-described plot: Peter’s happy, about to propose, when the symbiote first gets involved in his life. Harry attacks him, but he’s badly hurt, and Peter feels terrible. The Sandman is born, and he gives Peter real trouble. Spider-Man can’t stop him. The Sandman’s sort of sympathetic, too. The symbiote suit bonds with Peter. It gives him amplified powers. But it also starts to have demands of its own. It has wants. Peter finds himself trapped in it. He has to fight his own nature, shed the symbiote. Then he has to beat Sandman himself. Almost dies. Harry comes to his rescue. Everyone gets closure. It all sort of makes sense. But there are some really weak choices in terms of the actual specifics in the script. The way that bare bones version plays out isn’t that clean. It doesn’t quite work that way. It’s filled with a lot of strange digressions in tone and narrative. It’s thematically uneven. And yet... there are things that happen that make you forget any script problems you’re having. Take the Sandman’s birth, for example. It’s a haunting sequence, beautiful and emotional and an example of digital performance at its finest. The way this pile of sand tries to pull itself together, as if remembering what it was like to be human, determined to be like that again... this whole character thing plays out in silence, and it’s riveting. This is Raimi at his most engaged, totally committed to the material. Then there’s a scene that takes place later, where the Sandman encounters Venom in an alley. They fight for about two seconds and then Venom tells the Sandman that he wants to team up to get Spider-Man. It’s perfunctory. It’s expository. It’s all plot mechanics, and I don’t really buy the scene at all. It has to happen so the next part can happen, but it doesn’t feel right. These characters look interesting, and they have a few interesting moments, but they don’t behave with enough consistency to actually be called characters. The Sandman is given a backstory with a sick daughter, and he sort of mentions money a few times, money he’ll use to help her, but that’s it. She’s gone from the film as anything more than a device. She plays no part in the ending, and The Sandman seems to forget her completely in making his last choice. Thomas Hayden-Church is the right guy with an underwritten part. He invests this crazy freaky creature with a soul. He doesn’t know what the hell he is now, and it obviously freaks him out. Still, he’s willing to try and use it. He’s been given an advantage, and he has to exploit it. His best work is all done silently, sort of in the tradition of Boris Karloff as Frankenstein. You can see Sam’s love for the classic Universal movie monsters in the way he handles Sandman here, and I wish he’d really played with that some more. Topher Grace has a different problem. His role’s underwritten, but that’s because the script doesn’t really have anything interesting for Venom to do, and it doesn’t give it time to do it. He’s pretty cool to look at, and his appearance in grainy news footage is a fun sequence. But he’s a half-baked characterization. And I don’t say that as some loony Venom fan. I am aware of the character from the comics and the animated version and particularly from the ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN reboot, but I don’t really have any strong opinion about the “right” way to write him. All I say is that SPIDER-MAN 3 did not solve that particular problem, and I’m left feeling like he didn’t belong in this film at all. There is indeed a great epic Bruce Campbell appearance, there are indeed three annoying song-and/or-dance sequences, and this $300 million superhero action movie does indeed end with four people on a rooftop, hugging, crying, and talking out their feelings. Including a bad guy. Or two. Here’s the most damning thing I can say about the movie: I’m in no rush to see it again, and there’s nothing about it that jumps out at me now. It’s a Teflon film. So much of the writing here seems focused on the Mary Jane/Peter relationship, which is by far the least successful part of the film, that it drags the entire film down. It’s strange to see Sam mishandle the soap opera side of things, since he managed to strike the right balance in the first two films. Here, though, characters behave in ways that only serve to advance the plot. And the use of amnesia as a plot device on top of misunderstandings that anyone could sort out if they only spoke to each other complicated by the totally random introduction of the symbiote compounded by the convenient Butler who adds exposition he couldn’t possibly know... it all adds up. So to recap... anytime the movie turns into an action movie, it starts to come to life. Raimi takes this film someplace new visually, and I wish the dramatics lived up to that level of imagination. Since I know everyone’s going to see it... and you should, although with managed expectations... you should see it IMAX. This was one of the more immersive experiences I’ve had with IMAX so far. There’s something dizzying about swinging through New York in a frame of that size that makes it worth a little extra effort to get to the theater. I know Sam Raimi loves Spider-Man as a character, and I have no doubt he’s enjoyed his time in the trenches. But I’d love to see him move on now. Keep his hand in as a producer on the series, but hand over the scripting and directing duties to someone fresh now. Even with a misstep like this, I think they’ve built a pretty successful cinematic world for this series, and I hope whatever they do next proves to be a rebound creatively. Let Sam go make some different types of movies to recharge the battery. Let someone else come in who is going to give us some of the joy in the series. After the end of that second film, I thought for sure this entry in the series would show us a Spider-Man at peace with who he was, enjoying the way his life is working out, facing down threats with new confidence. Mary Jane by his side should not be the source of every single bit of misery in his life. It’s a drag to sit through, and that’s something I never thought I’d say about a Raimi SPIDER-MAN film.

Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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  • May 4, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Agreed, but still better than X3...

    by Kasch

    Even with its sea of story problems, Spidey 3 at least has a soul...unlike Ratner's clusterfuck movie.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Bigger = Better

    by Garbageman33

    At least, that's what studios think. How else can you explain three villains, two girls and generally way too much going on? It's that old theory that if you throw enough shit at the walls something is bound to stick. I think we have Dead Man's Chest to blame. That was a big, noisy blockbuster with no semblance of a plot and it made about a billion dollars. Now everyone wants to follow that model. As for me, I just want my two and a half hours of sleep back. Stupid midnight movie!

  • May 4, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by rhcp2sweet


  • May 4, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by AragornElfstone

    I agree with you, Mori.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Plus four.

    by AragornElfstone


  • May 4, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Moriarty's problem is with Marvel not Raimi

    by lotusblade

    Amnesia is straight from the comics. Harry gets amnesia and forgets he's the Goblin. The Butler is AGAIN straight from the comics. So Moriarty's problem is that Raimi was true to the source. That bastard!!! Quint had the same lame problems but added the Sandman transformation, which in the comics if memory serves was just as freaking convenient as the movie.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST


    by livrule

    This is great.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    so please dont fakk the hobbit, raimi

    by pipergates


  • May 4, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    EMO spiderman was unbeleivably terrible, i was in shock

    by wcoop893

    i couldnt beleive what they were having toby doing. i almost completely flipped out

  • May 4, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    venom did not belong in this movie at all. he ruined it

    by wcoop893

    if there was no venom plot, i would have liked the movie. venom was only in the movie to get people into the theaters, and he was only actually venom for about 10 minutes. a complete and disgusting waste. without him there would have been no emo blacksuit spiderman to ruin the movie.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    still better than X3 though

    by wcoop893

    that movie was unwatchable

  • May 4, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Thanks Moriarty.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Between you and Quint (and maybe Cumpston), I think I know what I need to know regarding this film. SM 1 was fun and I enjoyed it. But the fact that I barely recall SM 2 helped the realization that I wasn't even remotely interested in this 3rd installment. While I'll be passing on SM3, I do feel bad for the fans.<P>Now...bring on Transformers!

  • May 4, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Nailed It

    by Bungion Boy

    I died a little inside today. If it had just been awful then I would have felt better. Then I could just see it as a misstep and shrug it off. but I think that they were trying to up the ante of the last film and got way over their heads.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Good review...

    by Azlam Orlandu

    ...but it seems so honest that I'm depressed to see this film now.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by Zarles

    The day I go to see a Spider-Man movie and walk out thinking it was 'thematically uneven' is the day I pack the kids into the minivan and drive off the edge of a mountain. And I don't even have any kids.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Kirsten Dunst has always kinda ruined it for me

    by Garbageman33

    And she was at her worst (which is really saying something) in this installment. It would be tough for any actress to remain sympathetic when MJ freaks out about Peter getting all the attention. But you know what, I bet Rachel McAdams could do it. In Dunst's hands, she takes a character you don't much like anyway and makes you absolutely hate her. The people in my screening were yelling, "Dump her!" at the screen. Somehow, I don't think that's the reaction Raimi was going for. Snaggletooth says she wants out, I say "Don't let the door hit you in the ass".

  • May 4, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Watching the movie a second time...

    by seanny_d

    I enjoyed it more. My expectations were more in check. Also, in a lame move only capable of a complete nerd, I used to the stopwatch on my phone to time the amount that Peter is in his full Spider-Man garb, both black and red combined. And he gets a generous 15 minutes prior to the final battle. Two hours in, and he's actually doing something in the costume (including the Spider-Man day scene but not either Harry fight) for only 15 minutes. I think that even includes some time where he's on his way to fight but isn't actually on screen. That's poor. And I didn't time the black suit, but the black suit gets MAYBE seven minutes of screen time.<p>I get that it's more about Peter Parker, but you can't have a Spider-Man movie and then not have Spider-Man really show up until the very end.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    could The Borg assimilate the Symbiote?

    by Boomers_Lips

    well can they?

  • May 4, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Coming out of the closet as a hater

    by 18to88

    I love that it is now acceptable to dislike this trilogy. Used to be if you hated these movies you were a bitter loser. That's all changed with this film. People are starting to see things that have been bothering us for YEARS. I've hated it since the second the main casting was announced back in 2000. Huge Spidey fan, hate the movies.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    My SM3 Director's cut...

    by G0ATB0Y_UK

    (1) Cut the dance sequences - down the street, in the Jazz club (just have Peter dance with GS to make MJ jealous) and MJ/Harry. None advance the plot, none needed. (2) Find some other way of Harry finding out the truth - not through the Butler. (3) Have the 'Sandman is Ben's killer' plotline revealed to be a lie - conspired by Harry to fuck with Peter. Do this, and you have a great movie rather than just a good one. One bit of defence for the movie though - some critics (including some on this site) are complaining that SM3 tries to show Peter's dark side with the dancing down the street like a prick bit, and that this sucks. I agree, but they do SOOOO much more to show the influence of the black suit - he tries to KILL Sandman, throws a GRENADE in his best friend's face, and BITCHSLAPS Mary Jane - more than enough to show that the suit is taking him over. I for one will be watching this again.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    would Buffy Summers like SpiderMan?

    by Boomers_Lips

    if Buffy met SpiderMan, would she like him??

  • May 4, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    They just tried to do WAAAY too much in one movie

    by Trancer

    They should have just focused on the Sandman and Harry, and maybe introduced the symbiote, but only hinted at where it was taking Peter at the end as a setup for the next movie, which they could devote entirely to Peter dealing with the Suit and Venom.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Thomas Haden Church always looks so uncomfortable.

    by Boomers_Lips

    what is up with him?

  • May 4, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Disappointing, but not the worst...

    by BiggieKaiju

    ... disappointment I've had at a highly-anticipated flick. Saw it at a near-empty early-bird show 9:15am. Walked out not knowing quite what to think. The Peter/Harry opening chase was incredibly well-planned and choreographed. But, as has happened before, black of night+dark clothes+quick cuts=WTF is going on? The Sandman's "birth" was one of those increasingly rare "WOW" CGI money shots. Church was well-cast, but not given nearly enough to do. The script is a contrived mess; I don't think there's any way around that. Fortunately, goodwill earned by the first two movies enables you to overlook the crappy script somewhat, and the flick does provide its share of memorable moments. I thought the crane/building/rescue Gwen scene was nicely realized. And while there were still the obligatory here's-the-movie's-message-thank-you-Aunt-May scenes, the sheer clutter of the story keeps any one scene from dragging too long. As a Godzilla fan, I was amused and surprised when the Sandman grew to giant size. But clearly the Harry/Sandman story and the black suit/Venom story should have been two different movies. Venom propositioning Sandman in an alley (did I just write that?)might have been the movie's most ludicrous moment, and it seemed we never got one money shot of Venom's jaw wide open, rows of teeth and huge tongue lashing about as he hands out new assholes to everyone in sight who already has one and probably deserves another. Anyway, just some rambling first impressions from a newcomer. Love this site for the talkbacks, not the scoops; you guys are some sick funny fuckers. Oh, and there were sadly no signs of Hulk Hogan, sexy tomboy beanpoles, Kurt Russell, or flames on anything at the showing I was at. Just FYI.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    KanekoFan you dumbass

    by lotusblade

    It's a comic book movie. Somethings in comics are just that CONTRIVED. Having Harry get amnesia kept Harry around in the comics for another 10 years (the amnesia would be recurring). The Butler's involvement wasn't pulled off as well as it should have been. That could have been handled better. <p> As for me I'm just happy the guy who is likely directing The Hobbit actually wants to stay as true to the source as possible. That's something the last guy with Tolkien didn't do so well as the movies progressed (and his plans for the Hobbit are horrifying).

  • May 4, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    3+ villains in a superhero movie = Flames on Optimus

    by Mullah Omar

    Screenwriters need to focus on 1 major bad guy at a time. I'd rather see a single compelling villain rather than an army of cardboard cutouts that get knocked down. You cannot do so many plot threads justice in a 2-hour action movie.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Maybe Raimi is trying to pull a George Lucas...

    by Chishu_Ryu us a decent first film, then an excellent sequel, then a sub-par third film. That's okay. Perhaps for the next trilogy, we'll learn that Sandman is also really Peter's father, Mary Jane is really...Pete's (barff!!) sister, and that Spider-Man's powers actually originate with psuedo-mystic microscopic thingies called midiarachnidians...

  • May 4, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 3 will be the best Spider-man...

    by TheGreenStyle

    when properly armed with scene selections on the DVD. That way, you CAN just masturbatorially skip to all the action scenes, not have to watch the movie. In fact, you could have fun writing a better movie to explain the action scenes.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    All the haters

    by SithMenace

    that thought Spider-Man 2 was too "talky" will tell everyone SM3 is what they've ben waiting for, all action and no character development.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    this is a film nobody wanted

    by emeraldboy

    to make except studio execs.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Oh, and note to gamers.

    by TheGreenStyle

    I own a Nintendo Wii. I love the Nintendo Wii. I also love the video games based on the Spiderman movies, (they actually FORCE Tobey to do Spidey wisecracking lines!) But I have a warning to you: Don't buy Spidey 3 on the Wii!!<br> <br> It's a disaster. Trying to swing and fight with the motion controls is totally broken. I can barely play this thing! But I can tell the core game is cool, and would play well on a different console with traditional controls. It's heartbreaking.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST


    by 7pointedstar

    ...I hate to sound like a broken record (sicne everyone around here brings up this movie), but Batman Begins had three villains...and I think it pulled that off rather well. It started and ended with Ra's Al Ghul, with a little Falcone and Scarecrow thrown in for good measure. And there wasn't anything wrong with the pacing in that one.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    what's wrong with that?

    by zooch

    So the flaws in this movie are that it's too ambitious and it's plot stays too close to the comics?

  • May 4, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Why is everyone so afraid of

    by epitone

    spelling Thomas Haden Church's name correctly on this site? It boggles me.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    what's with

    by emeraldboy

    crying its everywhere. Bloody american idol.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by TheGreenStyle

    as someone who's seen the movie, the flaw isn't neccissarily in the CONCEPT (The ambition and fidelity to source material as you suggest,) but in the EXECUTION of those concepts. And the execution is mediocre, at times dipping into poor.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by david19

    I wanted soooooo bad to like this movie. Like most people I agree, this is not a BAD movie. The acting is not horribly bad, the funny scenes did get a laugh out of me, the action scenes were well done, but the SCRIPT, the DAMN SCRIPT was the shoddiest thrown together piece of crap ever. I LOVED SM-2, its one of my favorites ever, and now one of my fav movies is tainted. WHAT THE HELL WENT WRONG? They had the director, they had the actors, they had the predecessing movies. Were some people pissed off when Raimi did Army of Darkness? I loved that pic, but now looking back it almost seems like Raimi turned Spidey 3 into a second Army of Darkness, campy, funny, but a major disappointment. SAM WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!?

  • May 4, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    The first two movies are hard to rewatch

    by AlwaysThere

    After the first go through there's no desire to take that ride again and look for things you've missed. Now it appears that Spidey 3 doesn't even warrant one viewing since it's an outright failure of a movie.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by david19

    I hardly think its valid to say just because this movie followed the comic makes it ok. The majority of comics out there are sub-par contrived crap, and only the occasional script really delivers. But hey, guess what? This is a MOVIE, the rules are different, and up until now they followed those rules. The only way this movie can be salvaged is if they make a 4th one, one that genuinely satisfies. And Im not so sure that this cast and crew is the one to do it anymore.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    My Chemical Spidey is terrible

    by slappy jones

    I think people are being way too easy on it due to the goodwill raimi bought with the first two films. This film is a mess.....overly complicated...lame plot devices as moriarity mentions...i can;t even articulate my feeelings as I am still in disbelief......raimi used venom purely as a way to say "fuck you" to the people hassling him to put him in....he totally wastes the character. Gwen Stacy has no purpose or good reason to be in the certainly doesn't lack in scenbes where pensioners give advice to youngin's and as for harrys crap alfred - fuck that. Awful film

  • May 4, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    It was not Horriable at all.

    by eric haislar

    They did the best they could with what the studio wanted. Venom was never in the picture to begin with. Studio pressured sam to put him in. Maybe he should have stuck to his guns but.....Give him a break 1 and 2 where great so 3 is flawed. Go see it! its good just not spiderman 2 good. Sam needs to take a break do something else. Recharge then make 4 and hit it out of the park. There is no baggage left. They can do anything they want now.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins' villains...

    by Mullah Omar

    7pointedstar, I basically agree, and I liked Batman Begins. However, I think that its very focused origin story is what kept it on the rails. I also appreciate that Nolan had the discipline to use Falcone and Scarecrow to advance key points of the plot as supporting characters. And I really like that not all villains are necessarily dead, and that they might come back to play a role in future movies. I really thought that the last point was something that Spider-Man 1 & 2 got right - setting up a Harry Osbourne arc that stitched the films together and gave some weight to the conflict in the 3rd film (which I have not yet seen).

  • May 4, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    it's FINE. I just won't see it again until I can

    by all

    self-edit it at home on DVD. Still a good Spidey movie, even with all the dancing and crying (I literally closed my eyes for the whole Jazz Bar scene).

  • May 4, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by Err

    Still seeing it multiple times. Fuck the record of POTC2!

  • May 4, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I agree...

    by LouisCedar

    completely with TheGreenStyle. Good concepts, piss poor execution. The Black suit spidey stuff was handled VERY poorly. Honestly, I wish that venom/the symbiot had nothing to do with this flick, insteand focusing solely on Harry and Sandman. I really feel like The Peter/Harry storyline and Sandman's storyline were both majorly shortchanged to make room for black-suit-spidey/Venom.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by david19

    The Butler<P> Mary Janes inexplicable rejection of Peter at the beginning.<P> Gwen Stacy (Soooo cute but so unnecessary) <P> Eddie Brock <P> Godzilla Sandman<P> The Butler<P> Emo Peter (His first step towards badassness was combing down his hair?! WTF?!<P> The Butler<P> The Inexplicable all too convinient introduction of the symbiote<P> <P>Did I miss anything?

  • May 4, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    speaking about the butler

    by eric haislar

    did anyone else think man did this dude just get up out of his grave. He was so old and probably the worst actor i had ever seen.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    The thing about Sandman...

    by TheGreenStyle

    is that when he's fighting spidey, he uses his powers to either get big sandy boxing gloves or become Godzilla. I've read the original Sandman origin issue, (via essential Spiderman,) and it just seems to miss the point of what makes Sandman so Powerful. <br> <br> I was looking forward to Sandman taking the reigns from the T-1000 as the greatest shape shifting villain in cinema history. But he doesn't. T-1000 still reigns supreme.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    ...are part of this series' reality. Amazing coincidences have been in the series since movie one. Pete gets bit by a spider, ironically at the same time his best friend's dad becomes a super-villain? He lets a mugger go, ironically the same one kills his uncle Ben? A scientist goes mad with super-powers, coincidentally at the time when Peter's doubting himself and the need for a Spider-Man? These things just happen in movies like this. Spider-Man has never been a series that takes place in a literal world where the rules of real-life apply. In the first movie, why the fuck is the military glider shaped like a bat? Why is the battle suit frickin' green? How does a genetically-engineered spider biting you give you powers, anyway? What kind of billionaire industrialist experiments on *himself*? Why do his webs come from his wrists? Blahblahblah. In the second one, how is it that Otto Octavius builds a set of super-strong tentacles that have advanced AI and jack directly into his nervous system, yet *that* doesn't make Oscorp billions and get him a Nobel prize regardless of some silly fusion thing? What kind of fricking nuclear reaction can you just stand in front of and watch? In contrast "a meteor with a symbiote happens to land near Spider-Man" doesn't seem that crazy. I mean, who says more symbiotes didn't land in the meteor shower? If they latched onto non-super humans, maybe they were less detectable. Nor does "convict happens to fall into scientific test" seem that far-fetched comparatively. This isn't the real world, it's stylized morality play, suspend your disbelief a little more.

  • May 4, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    If you watch parts 1 and 2

    by TheGreenStyle

    the butler, the same butler, is in it. and could have known what he knows. But, that said, he's still a piss-poor plot device.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Can't be as bad as Superman Returns...

    by Jugdish

    Please dear GOD nothing can be as bad as that heaping pile of SHIT

  • May 4, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    David Fincher

    by Kraken

    with Raimi producing. I'd be first in line.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Let's see here...

    by Kid Z

    ... Spidey=Nipple Batman, Sandman=Meestuh Frrreezhe, Nü-Gobby=Poison Ivey, Aunt May=Alfred, Gwen=It girl model from the mid-90's who was in flick for like, 30 seconds, Symbiote=Jason Woorue minus funky-ass multiple-lensed glasses & Phil Spectre hair, Venom=Bain. IT has return from beyond the veil of shittiness... 'Macher Lives! BEWARE!

  • May 4, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by Err

    Hulk, Daredevil Elektra, Blades 2 and 3, Howard the Duck, Superman's 3 and 4, Batman's 3 and 4, and Catwoman are all worse than Superman Returns. So really, you should be saying: nothing can be worse than Catwoman or nothing can be worse than Elektra.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    It Could Be Worse...Someone Could be A Mole. Dammit!

    by uss cygnus

    Just when you think you're at the bottom, you look down, and see another CTU Mole.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Isn't it ironic...Don'tcha think?

    by biggles2_22

    That the character that Raimi liked the least (Venom) really could have been the central bad guy?! Sandbox could have been dropped as easily as the resolution to his story was. There was enough chemistry between Topher and Toby to really drive a nasty conflict without the Sandman mucking it up.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST


    by david19

    Fantastic Four looked more interesting after this. I think this movie has officially ended Marvel's 10 year movie reign. Its DC's turn now.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Disturbing mental image...

    by Kid Z

    ... Jack Bauer wearing gardening gloves and talking on a cell phone whilst simultaneously tormenting some poor li' furry mole that he's actually taken the time to tie to a dollhouse chair with a spool of thread...

  • May 4, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by biggles2_22

    "Lighten up, Francis" ~ Sgt. Hulka

  • May 4, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    "Here's to biggles2_22...

    by Kid Z

    ... Our big toe!"

  • May 4, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    "No... that's not true... that's IMPOSSIBLE!"

    by Nordling

    <p>/jumps from scaffold</p> <p>Well, shit.</p>

  • May 4, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Great quotes from S3!

    by biggles2_22

    You better hit those bunks, my little darlins, or Sergeant Hulka with the BIG TOE is gonna see how far he can stick it up your ass.~Sgt. Hulka

  • May 4, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    So I guess I'm the only one...

    by Blanket-Man

    ...who really enjoyed the Jazz Club dance scene? I laughed out loud - it was one of the very few times in all three movies that Maguire seemed to be enjoying himself. And I also just ate up the Super-Villain Team-Up scene in the alley with Sandman and Venom. That kind of ludicrous crap happened every month during Stan Lee's tenure at Marvel. It's goofy fun. Yeah, Venom was way underused and should've been saved for SM4, and the Butler's explanation was one of the worst examples of a deus ex machina I've ever seen... well, ever! But the Harry/Peter stuff was great - I loved how their friendship was briefly reborn due to the amnesia (straight out of the comics), making it that much more tragic when Harry reverts back to "Goblin Jr." Not as good as SM 1 or 2, but hardly the steaming pile some of you folks are accusing it of being.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Spidey to Harry, as they're riding the "board" 2gether-

    by biggles2_22

    "This don't make us gay or nuthin."

  • May 4, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    I pretty much entirely agree with you.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Dark Spider to Eddie Brock...

    by biggles2_22

    "Is this slimming?"

  • May 4, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Dark Peter at the Jazz club...

    by biggles2_22


  • May 4, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Saturday Night Fever Peter was pure genius!

    by BrowncoatJedi

    I could not stop laughing. Bravo to Raimi for having the guts to put that in, and screw the rest of you. Get a sense of humor.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    I agree whole hardily!

  • May 4, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Errr.....BIg Difference

    by Jugdish

    who was expecting Howard the Duck, Elektra,Catwoman etc.. to be good? We all were expecting SR to be good and it was shit. Well at least it had one good action sequence that must have cost 200 Million dollars cause the rest of the movie was a dull drag. I'm just hoping that S3 doesn't fall into the same spell.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    When Sandman was cryin'...

    by biggles2_22

    ...did it make mud? Just askin'.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    So I should see in IMAX...

    by Mr Incredible

    "...four people on a rooftop, hugging, crying, and talking out their feelings"? I'm gonna see it just to see it. Fifteen minutes of Spidey screen time out of a two hour and twenty minute moviefor eleven bucks? No thanks. GODZILLA VS. MEGALON would probably be better in IMAX.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Note to fans:

    by duct tape wallet

    It's a movie about characters in a long running comic book series. I just got through seeing it at the Odyssey 24 in KC and while there were weaknesses in the plot and pacing, it actually reminded me of the sometimes silly conventions contained within the comics more than the first two. Spider-Man is one of the longest running soap opera comics I can remember, and, in my opinion, Sam simply stuck these goofier elements in his movie. They could have been handled better in several places, no doubt, but I enjoyed it all the same. The one thing that really did annoy me was the addition of Gwen; they had her played by a very obviously pregnant Bryce Dallas Howard, who reminded me of the two faced woman in Seinfeld. In one scene, shot from a certain angle and from the shoulders up, I thought "great choice". The next scene they show her standing and her tush is huge and legs big and her face wide with water weight and now I'm thinking "horrid casting mistake". And I think BHD is normally very attractive, but not in this role. And that's aside from not giving her much to do to begin with. They should have shown Peter having a bigger dallience with Betty Brant instead; it would worked as well and been as brief as his cookie relationship with Ursala. And we would have seen more of the delicious Elizabeth Banks as well, bonus! Too bad she is already Betty in the movie(s), she would have made a great Gwen. In any case, I'll see it again, but I'll have to self edit in my mind when certain scenes come on.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Harry's last words...

    by biggles2_22

    ..."gasp...remember that time you got me with the mash potatoes?"

  • May 4, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Just saw it...

    by sith-vol

    ...and I enjoyed it. Save for the constant phone tag between Peter and M.J. and the space of about 25 minutes in the middle of the film, I thought it was done very well. I know comic fans arent going to like the changes done to Venom, but Thomas Hayden Church was great as Sandman. Pretty good overall and worth the money I paid.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Couldn't Agree More

    by Horror Freak

    i really hated to say but i wanted to have that "chris hardwick getting off of the murder ride in house of a 1000 corpses" crazy good reaction after i watched the movie wednesday night (working in a theater, that's the occasional slight perk) but i was merely pleased and somewhat satisfied. i had wanted to love it, but i didn't. that disappointed me. after having loved everything about spider-man 2 (and fell in love with it all over again with the spider-man 2.1 re-edit), this movie just completely feel apart. it's as if the it's the content of two films crammed into this one. i wish that my original specualtions on this movie had been right, that the film would end the birth of venom and using that as a segue into spider-man 4. i had hoped that i would have liked it more on a second viewing, hopefully seeing something new or more (though the more i think back on it, the more it seems to fall apart). but at least that second viewing was going to be in imax so it was going to be fucking bad ass no matter what. but unfortunately i never got since the 12:01 showing i had tickets to was cancelled and evacuated due to some fuck shit calling in a bamb threat... lame... i think i lost my point... but i was merely good... lets get sam on evil dead 4 and just act as executive producer on spider-man 4... i love the man, he's one of my heroes, but yeah.. come on

  • May 4, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    SPIDER-MAN 4 already shot

    by iwontwin

    look, its a bird....

  • May 4, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Spidey 3 and Comedy

    by david19

    Its funny cause most reviewers agree, the comedy parts in S3 are in fact funny, I laughed out loud at a few parts. The wierd thing is, is I almost felt confused by the funny scenes. They were so out of character from the more serious dramatic scenes, and in comparison to Spidey 1 and 2, that after the chuckles, and especially when we return to serious drama again, it made me confused, then annoyed. Spidey 3 is like watching 3 movies, and it almost seemed like Raimi was being lazy.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    X3 > S-M 3

    by GregoryHarbin

    I at least told people they should see X3 for the great sequences in it. With the new Spider-Man, I can't manage to reccomend it. I was in pain during the entire black suit part of the film.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by livrule

    X3 don't look so bad NOW!

  • May 4, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Venom looked better w/o the Giant Grin

    by The Only Woj

    big ass mouth on a normal human head. I LOVED the "pre-CG" Venom (with a normal mouth) ... but the big-ass grin looked really bad. should have gone with the regular sized mouth and maybe once or twice when he'd "roar" (and the "roar should have been much lower in pitch). jpg honestly, how great does that look? creepier than smiling Topher Grace voice Venom.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Harrys Review's

    by eric haislar

    spiderman 3 is the greatest spiderman movie of all time. It's like Sam smothered it with butter and then let me have sex with it. and then I shared it with my getting fatter by the min girlfriend. It was the most satisfying experience of my life.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    No, no, no

    by zb.brox

    This movie kicked X3's ass. I admit, it wasn't as good as Spidey 1 or 2, but Jesus, X3 was sub-Daredevil.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Venom looked AMAZING, peters PARENTS

    by iwontwin

    Spoilers Topher grace was perfect....please PLEASE dont let this be the end of venom..... Sandman was hired to kill Ben Parker, because Ben Parker was a spy in the 1940s, with peters parents who were killed. Thats why he ran back to the old military facility...thats the only place he could remember to go.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man 3 = Over stuffed...X-3 = Just plain shit.

    by Err

    Spider-Man 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X-3

  • May 4, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Hold on a second...

    by TheGreenStyle

    This movie is still better than X3. although the arguement could be made they betray their earlier movies just as equally. No, wait, no, x3 was worse, because Singer was building to the phoenix over 3 movies, and x3 screwed it up. Spidey screwed up blacksuit/venom, but it wasn't forshadowed either. hmm... this is an interesting back and forth.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Will a great Superhero trilogy ever be made?

    by TheGreenStyle

    Spidey was our best hope, and it failed. What's left? Well, I guess their's nolan's take on Batman, but I gotta see how his Part 2 pans out before I start making assumptions for part 3.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Lots of new talkbackers...

    by DocPazuzu these Spidey 3 talkbacks. How odd.

  • May 4, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    i give it a solid 7 out of 10

    by iwontwin

    The story was kind of maudlin, and the script was kind of a mess...the dancing parts, singing were not too bad...hollywood corn. It was funny watching peter parker turn into an asshole... but topher did a great job as venom!

  • May 4, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Too much time...

    by jorson2

    Logically, the fewer hands in the cookie jar, the better. A movie is usually good if there is one writer and one director, maybe a writer-director, with one vision that gets perfected in script form and filmed with care. The Spider-Man movies seem to be an exception. Spider-Man 2 took forever to script, not to mention four writers. It underwent casting and scheduling problems that set its production back to the last minute and even changed its distribution date. And yet, it worked -- brilliantly. Here, with Spider-Man 3, the filmmakers were given three years to do it, bringing back the best of the same cast and crew. Logically, this should be a better movie -- fewer writers, more time, bigger budget. It's not. Frankly, I think they had too much time and too much freedom, particularly Raimi. Raimi also had the Venom character forced on him, which winds up short-shrifting the character and damaging the whole film. Raimi likes Spider-Man -- not just the comics, but the character himself -- a lot. That's why he makes these movies. He likes Spider-Man as he would a real person, I think, and this is the problem with the whole black suit / Venom thing. Alvin Sargent seems to have known that to understand or care about Eddie Brock / Venom at all, we had to see what the symbiote did to Peter first. That's all well and good, but it necessitates showing Peter's dark side and taking it seriously. In interviews Raimi admits that it isn't something he wanted to do, so evidently, he chose to do it as tongue-in-cheek and comedically as possible, as if to always wink at the audience and reassure them -- desperately -- that this little character change is only temporary. As a result, it hurts the narrative by watering down the symbiote's effect upon Peter and making the audience ultimately indifferent to what it does to Brock. One thing an audience should never be towards Venom is indifferent -- it's too good an idea, too good a character with too much potential. Bottom line, though, Raimi didn't want the character to begin with, but I think what happened was that he was given so much freedom everywhere else -- even having his name and that of his brother's in the writing credits -- that Marvel and Avi Arad felt they were justified in forcing him into it. The reviews on this site are dead-on in my opinion. It's still a fun movie, but not what it could have or should have been.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    by AlwaysThere

    God has spoken.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    First Spiderman film I enjoyed...except for the ending.

    by indiephantom

    Personally, I felt this was the most entertaining one. The Midnight audience had a BLAST. Nothing I've read about the negative reactions was true. The place was packed with fans and there was solid applause at the end. I was never fully satisfied with the previous films, and it has taken me until now to really warm up to Maguire. I thought he was terrific. Having his mask off for many of the action sequences made it more engaging and enable us to experience the movie more with him, as we did with Christopher Reeve in the Superman films. Nicely done. I don't get why everyone loves the Bruce Campbell cameo. He was "amazing" in the first, but this french waiter bit was like bad SNL. On the other hand, the Jazz and the dance was hilarious. The whole audience dug it. Anyone who didn't think that was hilarious baffles me. The only thing that bothered me was some dreadful mawkishness in the final moments that briefly made me feel like I was at a bad junior high play. It almost felt like a joke, and this was one moment where I felt everyone might have been laughing at and not with the characters. I liked that we were mostly spared tedious backstories of the villains. That stuff bored me in the previous films, and I'm glad it wasn't repeated here. The action is terrific and the offbeat humor reminded me of a Raimi I thought I'd never see again. He took some chances and played with the characters, and boy did it pay off. I'm not sure if everyone will agree that this is best of the series, but I certainly felt that this was a fitting end to the trilogy (and there's no good reason to continue). Great start to a blockbuster season. On a sidenote, the trailer for Julie Taymor's ACROSS THE UNIVERSE was amazing.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    New Actors...

    by david19

    Gwen Stacy- Charming, oh so charming, but ultimately useless. <P>Sandman- VERY cool birth sequence, but most of the time he just gazed sadly then flew away pointlessly, then in complete contrast to what we had seen about him went all crazy sand monster. Lame. <P>Topher Grace - Oh come on! His acting was forced, and his voice coming out of Venom was laughable.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man 4: The Musical

    by Ironmuskrat

    OK, the movie was good, not as good as the first two by a long shot. However if Raimi is itching to do a musical or something along those lines please leave Spider-man out of it.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Great super-hero franchises come in twos, not threes...

    by Chishu_Ryu please get over the "trilogy" thing. How'd that whole trilogy thing start anyway, with Lord of the Rings or Star Wars? The Holy Bible only has two Testaments, for Christ's sake. Anyway, accept the idea that good super-hero franchises are a "dynamic duo" kind of thing. "Batman and Batman Returns". "Superman I and II". "X-Men and X2". And now, "Spider-Man 1 and 2". Rejoice, comic book fans. And in the name of Roger Corman's "Fantastic Four", be thankful they even got ONE film right.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    I was entertained...nuff' said.

    by Mike_D

    cant ask for much more at the movies.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Spidey and the American Flag

    by david19

    Did anyone else crack up when Spidey lands in front of the American Flag before the last battle? One guy in my theater almost choked laughing.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    A little wimpy Peter?

    by Subovon

    I think Moriarty drank some kool-aid before he saw the first Spiderman and called it better than the original Superman (whoa - you OK, mon ami? - Hope you recovered). I really wanted to love the first Spiderman, and I liked it for the first half hour, before Willem Defoe did what looked like a bad rehearsal of Gollum's mirror scene in Two Towers. Willem looked more silly than crazy to me. And I like the second film, I thought it was a little better than the first, but only because the villain is cool, but common - it's the EXACT same movie as the first, minus that one's first half hour! And here's what really bothers me: I think Toby is a little too wimpy to play the part, even the Peter Parker half. I can't help but feel like he looks like someone a 6 year-old girl could beat up. Am I the only one who feels that way? Anyway, both films kind of bored me, and I think I'll skip this one and wait for the DVD 2.0, or whatever version they pull out of their assess before Spiderman 4 comes out.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Flash Thompson

    by david19

    Did anyone else notice him at Harrys funeral? Why the hell would Flash be at Harrys funeral?

  • May 4, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    The Tomatometer is almost into "rotten" territory

    by Rupee88

    Thank goodness the critics are having some balls this time and saying that the film isn't very good. In a year or two, everyone will pretty much agree that it sucked but for now, people have to hedge their bets and not come down on it too strong.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST


    by Chishu_Ryu

    No, I didn't because I haven't freaking seen the movie yet!! In the future, if you comment on a major plotpoint like that, add a "spoiler" warning before or something, you ingrate...

  • May 4, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    ah man?!?

    by Mr Chuff

    I'm finding all desire to see this flick slowly slipping sway with every review I read!? is it REALLy THAT bad? Does Venom really get fucked THAT much? Is there any chance they've set him up for a comeback in the next flick? I truly hope so...I know its not a fashionable thing to say but I think venom is a great character, basic in his intentions, but still a good nemesis. I hope what little (so i hear) of Venom there is in this flick is done well and is a set up for bigger and better things...I hope.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by david19

    My bad. Very sorry.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    No Offense

    by david19

    I admit my fault, buuuuuut if you dont want spoilers isnt it a bit iffy checking up on a Talk Back for the review of the movie. Im just sayin....

  • May 4, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    i liked it.

    by StreetTrash


  • May 4, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    If you are afraid of spoilers, then don't read a Talkback before you see the movie retard. P.S. MJ gets pregnant.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    You didn't do anything wrong...don't apologize to someone who is clearly deranged and/or just dumb.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    You didn't do anything wrong...don't apologize to someone who is clearly deranged and/or just dumb.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Mr Chuff

    by Rupee88

    Yes, I watched it via Usenet last night and it is that bad. They just took the lazy way to another big payday. But it will catch up with them when they do Spider-Man 4.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Kraken - excellent point

    by Mr Chuff

    Fincher wanted to do the first Spiderman flick but had no desire to do an origin story. If he came in now it would be perfect..especially if he continued the Venom storyline and made him the mean villain instead of ramming the film to the rafters with bad guys. A David Fincher Spiderman? I'd punch a nun to see that.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    This reminds me of something...

    by ECHO-07

    Spiderman 3 is harmed by reckless regard for the character. A villian that the Director doesnt really get. Some cute musicals. Some great action and...OH SHIT this is just like Return of the Jedi.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by Mr Chuff

    I'm assuming this absolute ladies-monthly of a flick is now doing the download rounds then? Might be my only option as I fear paying reall money to see this will only upset me to the point of stabbing someone in the eye with a straightened out paperclip

  • May 4, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Rachel McAdams as Mary Jane = Brilliant

    by kevred

    Garbageman33, what a great idea. I've never liked Dunst as MJ but couldn't come up with the perfect choice, but McAdams is it. Can do both superficial and emotional, which is MJ, and she's got those dazzling Romita dimples too--imagine her in that "tiger, you just hit the jackpot" panel where MJ was first introduced. Maguire, I think, nails the old Ditko Peter Parker, but even though he's done a fine job I find myself also wanting to see the classic Romita version of that character on screen. Overall, I find myself thinking I should want to see this movie more, but ultimately am not that interested. I saw some of SM2 on TV in the last week and as terrific as Molina and the Doc Ock character design was, I also realized I didn't care so much about the film overall or this new one. I'll rent the DVD to see Bruce's French waiter, though. :)

  • May 4, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Batman and Robin Syndrome, not Raimi's fault?

    by Son of Hades

    <p>Didn't he say he wanted a much smaller film, with fewer villains, but that Avi and the other bloke "convinced" him otherwise?</p><p>Cunts.</p>

  • May 4, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST


    by Chishu_Ryu

    Okay Rupee, aka GOD...why do the main reviewers on this site post "Spoiler Ahead" OR "Major Spoiler Ahead" when they're about to release some big plot points? Can't a reader like myself visit this site just to get a trusted fellow fan's opinion without finding out how the movie ends? And if the reviewer does give away the ending, at least they've given me, the loyal reader, the courtesy of a warning so I skip past that part? No? Then I'll stop gracing this site with my presence and leave it to know-it-all pole smokers like yourself.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Schumacher Syndrome

    by Mr Chuff

    Should become an industry term...

  • May 4, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Im gunna stick...

    by david19

    with Rupee88's argument cause it makes me look like less of an ass.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    forget Spiderman Transformers sequel announcement

    by brassai2003

    Here ya go geeks! a transformers sequel. You should thank Bay for giving meaning to another year of your life...let the bitching begin.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    What a shame.

    by Psyclops

    I couldn't agree more with this review. The film just disappoints on so many levels, which is a shame considering the series stellar track record so far. The Sandman would have made a great villain had they spent a little more time on his character and resolving his issues instead of sending him off the way they did. Also, the way they conveniently dispose of the Eddie Brock character was beyond pathetic. Venom and Gwen Stacey barely amount to extended cameos when they should have had more of a genuine impact on the story. The film just feels bloated with too many storylines half-assed and poorly strung together despite the lengthy running time. Sad to say but Sam Raimi really dropped the ball on this one.

  • The horror...the horror.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Ya know...

    by david19

    This is just tragic. i just read through Moriarty's reviews of 1 and 2, and this is just a damn shame. I know this is just a movie, but really, 1 and 2 were really such great movies, and I dont think any of us who really dug these movies from now on will ever be able to shake the feeling that there was an unwritten movie that we never got to see. Instead what should have been great, a movie that would have left so many people thoroughly satisfied, will always be a sore spot, an unfinished masterpiece. For those who saw Return of the Jedi, is this what it felt like?

  • May 4, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Spideman 3: THE ROTJ of the Spiderman trilogy!

    by Rogue_Leader

    To me the movie was essentially like the Return of the Jedi of the Spiderman Trilogy. In fact the series has followed a VERY similar pattern to the Star Wars trilogy. The fist movie was a great film and re-energized its genre. The second film VASTLY improved on the first and gave the characters greater depth and put them in situations that truly challenged them, giving them more weight. The third movie just feels like a let down for alot of reasons, which is ironic because in terms of story its the most epic, but in many reasons that is EXACTLY why the film is so much weaker. The filmakers CLEARLY bit off more than they could chew here and the sloppy writing shows all over. However, ultimately like ROTJ, Spiderman 3 is still a pretty damn good movie. Although it leaves you feeling like it could have been so much more given its potential. The reasons are numerous but here are the major ones and ironically virtually all are matched by ROTJ: 1) WAY too much material for one movie: Definitely the biggest complaint! I dont understand why they just didn't pay the cast for a few extra months of shooting and do Spiderman 3 and 4 back to back. The film CLEARLY needed to be done in two halves. 3 villians, several story arcs, and trying to fit in all those action sequences. The villians were poorly developed. The Goblin character worked best primarily because it built off the Harry plotline of the first two films. The Sandman character was just weak as hell with like one scene devoted to him and his family. However, even that didn't come close to the abysmal job they did with the "Venom" character. Which is in quote because it was really only Venom aesthetically and NOT character-wise. The whole "Venom" plotline was like 5 minutes and just felt so tacked-on it was ridiculous. Token is not a word for this. What is so sad is they could've built on the Brock/Parker rivalry with Venom trying to outdo Parker as the "New Darker Superhero" in town. However, here its just so one dimensional its sad. Then they have all the numerous indivudual plot points like Harry and MJ, MR and PEter's strained relationship, Peter and Gwen, Peter going to the "dark side" and of course the continuing battle between Peter and Harry. All of it was so rushed each plot point was given like 5 minutes of time. The action sequences too all feel rushed and unfulfilled. With the exceptions of the final big battle. Which is the most satisfying part or Spiderman 3, just like it was in ROTJ. ROTJ has this same problem with having so much story to tell, but to be fair that was because of the more episodis nature of SW and needing to include so much to finish the trilogy. Here, the filmakers could've easily trimmed story elements for the 4th movie. 2) A storyline that is ultimately rudimentary and predictable: ROTJ suffered from this greatly. In Spiderman 3 you can see the true potential behind each of the storylines it introduces. However, just like ROTJ it resolves them in a predictable and cliche fashion. You can practically see the major events and sequences telegtaphed well before they transpire. 3) Absolutely moronic narrative decisions: First and foremost among these is the absolutely idiotic way in which Peter gets the dark spidey suit. A meteor carrying the suit just HAPPENS to land by him and his girlfriend. Ummmmmmm OK ..... contrived much? Seriously, I dont understand why Mr. Jameson's son AKA "The Big Astronaut" didn't bring it back from a trip to the moon or something. Would've made alot more sense. Then there is the bit with Harry where he is contemplating assisting Peter and suddenly out of the middle of nowhere his friggin butler shows up and tells him the night his father died he "examined the wound" and determined it came from his father's glider. OH REALLY? OH and why EXACTLY didn't you say anything about this BEFORE!?!?!?! Seriously, he just decided to keep that secret for all this time? OH and how the F#$% did he know where the wound came from? What? When he's not a butler he moonlights as a forensic pathologist or something? Sheesh! OH well at least it didn't have a plot point as bad as ROTJ's most egregious AKA Ewoks! 4) Ridiculous overacting scenes that and poorly and conventiently scripted try and take the place of proper story development: Another problem ROTJ had that is possibly even worse here. Big cries all around in an attempt to give the film more "drama" and instead ends up being melodrama. Ironically just like ROTJ the most flagrant example of this poor development is the "abrupt villian to good guy transformation" with little to no actual advancement. It just suddenly transpires. ROTJ with Vader. Here its the Goblin. and lastly ...... 5) Like ROTJ the "pay off" ultimately feels unsatisfying and not truly worthy of all the build-up and momentum that lead up to it: I friggin hate how they have to keep killing off the villians. Especially the Venom character because we REALLY never even got a chance to really see him in the first place SAVE for one lousy action sequence. IT all felt so half-assed. Other reviewers have pointed out they didn't even need to kill him since Spiderman managed to remove the suit from him. Of course I guess they felt compelled to kill him since he killed PEter's friend, but this almost seems to run contrary to the movie's message of forgiveness and restraint. The way the Sandman plotline is resolved is just very bland. He sheads a tear and says "I forgive you". Oh ...... how heartwarming! Seriously, come on is that the best they can do? Oh and the ending itself leaves so much unresolved and ambiguous its almost like they were trying to scream WAIT FOR SPIDERMAN 4. We see Peter dancing with MJ and a fade to black? Weak! Hey, I am not saying I wanted to see them run out of the "Little White Chapel" with people throwing confetti at them but COME ON! That just didn't feel likee the proper ending for the trilogy. Overall call me disappointed, but not doleful. It wasn't all it should've been DEFINITELY but it was not terrible.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST


    by Zarles


  • May 4, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST


    by Chishu_Ryu

    Don't fret. I suppose it's a fine line here between spoilers and stuff everyone knows already. Most of us have seen the long trailers, know a lot of the plot points already, have read early reviews. But, nowhere does anyone(that I've read) discuss Harry's death. That's not quite as bad as giving away the ending of an M. Night Shyamalan movie, but still something needing a spoiler warning, in my opinion. Just use common sense I guess.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    You can ask for much more at the movies.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    This was one of the most disappointing movies of my lifetime. Such a wasted opportunity. Now while I totally agree that Venom should not have been in this movie, it's not because I'm a pussy-purist who thinks he's a horrible character and should never be in movies, it's because like it's been said, he's so totally FUCKING WASTED. FUCK YOU SAM RAIMI. I have no respect for you. How dare Venom just randomly come down in a fucking meteorite right by Peter Parker. How dare you kill Eddie Brock in the most outrageous and pathetic way possible. AT LEAST Doctor Octopus' death was ambiguous as to whether he was actually dead. I can't believe this franchise is going to have to be put down and not revisited for another 10 years so it can be Beginsified. Or possibly, some mad scientist could the Sinister Six together and clone Eddie Brock and the Symbiote. Either way, Sam Raimi, you are dead to me until you make another Evil Dead movie.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Now you've got me doing it

    by Chishu_Ryu

    spoiler in my above post!

  • May 4, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    And regular Joes actually booed last night at the end

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    I mean, I did too, but the general populace just flat out booed. It can't get much worse than that.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Below!!!<br><br><br><br><br> Okay, seriously, I think 20 years of Venom history are getting people a little too worked up about his portrayal in this movie. When Venom started out, he was a dick. That's pretty much all it was, he was just a dick. Spidey inadvertantly fucked his life, and he bonded with the symbiote, went kinda nuts, and sought revenge. It took him YEARS to become even REMOTELY "anti-hero". The way the portrayed him here was pretty much in line with his first few appearances in the comics--only here he was funnier and less scary. Which, I admit, is unfortunate, but, y'know

  • May 4, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    No, it was closer to $200 million. Don't believe everything that Sony marketing tells you.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    am i the only person who noticed....

    by occula

    ...that there is an INORDINATE amount of crying, for a superhero movie? i mean, like every 10 minutes somebody's tearing up or freaking crying. it kind of went with the overall meh-ness of the movie.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    It's simple...don't read reviews of movies you haven't seen yet. I have been sticking to this for years and it works. I just look at Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic for the general consensus and base my decisions on that. Then after I see the movie, I read some of the reviews. If you need someone to tell you whether or not to go see a movie, then you are in bad shape. If you have to read a review, read just the first few lines and the last few lines and you will miss most of the "spoiler" stuff. And certainly don't read Talkbacks for god's sake.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    booed. There was steady applause at the screening

    by indiephantom

    I was at.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by Chishu_Ryu

    But believe everything that Rupee88 tells you because he (or she, I can't really tell) knows everything including your true identity...

  • May 4, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    The script sucks is because they played it safe

    by Rupee88

    How about taking some chances and doing something original rather than just paint-by-the-numbers formulaic script. I can't believe that Harry is still trying to get revenge and MJ is still getting kidnapped by the bad guys...can't they do anything new?!?!? I'm really shocked how f'ing lame the writers are. I'm not saying go "Ang Lee Hulk" crazy with it, but at least try to come up with new plot devices and characters, etc. We don't need MJ and Harry featured so strongly in ever movie.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Yes, I'm irritated...I don't like whores and hacks

    by Rupee88

    And Spider-Man 3 is a result of their "efforts".

  • May 4, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Review is right on

    by isispop

    Just saw the Fri matinee...and I have to say the review is pretty much dead on, even though it pains me to have to agree.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I can't see why....

    by Playkins

    ...anybody that lkikes superhero movies WOULDN'T like this jem. It seems like every time a comic movie just throws away character development and lets loose (X3 anyone?) people complain. Then, serious time is spent on the character (Spidey 3, Superman Returns) and everyone complains. I can't even believe people had issues with the effects, which in my opinion were stunning.I mean, when will FANS be happy? Most of the theater that I was in cheered during the credits, and not because they were happy it was over.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST


    by Chishu_Ryu

    Understood. I'll see something like Spider-Man 3 whether someone tells me or not. But I have held off on seeing Ghost Rider based on other's opinions. And for myself, I could care less what Camby or Peter Traverse or someother literatee says(particularly about fanboy films like Spider-Man), I prefer the word of true fans, and AICN is where I go to get that opinion. I'm not a regular talkbacker myself, so I don't have a whole lot of experience with it, but not giving away the ending of a film seems more like common sense to me... But I will use caution in the future here.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Good on Raimi

    by Fuzzyjefe

    For short-shrifting Venom. Venom is a cool concept with limited potential that was neat his first TWO appearances. After that, he became a parody of himself. Screw Avi if you must screw anyone for putting the screws to Raimi to include him, especially after Raimi has said more than once he has no interest in the character. Fatal avenger, my ass.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    too much dancing and crying-.....

    by silverdog

    Make Spidey a dull boy. A sad end to a promising franchise. Mr.Raimi please go to the blackboard next to Mr.Schumacher, and write 10.000 "I´m sorry, comic-book fans".

  • May 4, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    I don't blame Raimi

    by Rupee88

    Some people think the director is in charge of these movies, but with a billion dollar franchise, it is ultimately the suits who call the shots. A bad Spider-Man movie was going to be made regardless of who directed this. So Raimi was smart to just be the one who receives the fat paycheck and he can accept it without too much guilt. Maybe I'm taking him off the hook a bit too much, but I blame Sony more than him.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Can't any villains be "bad"?

    by Rupee88

    Why do they seem to have to make all these villians sympathetic in some regard? Why can't they just be greedy assholes who want to steal some money or wreak havoc for the sheer joy of it?

  • May 4, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    AAAAHHHHHH!!!! what happened!? I have to believe that sam Raimi died sometime during development and everyone just keopt going. Awful. Venom was a waste. Sandman was ruined. Way too much of everything. the tone was all over the place. the ending was thrown together and laughable in it's set up. Venom is topher grace talking in a low growl. Awful.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Norman and Venom both had aspects of that. Norman, obviously, had the duel personalities, but Brock really just became an asshole. OF course, in the comics Venom is almost the prototype for the blatantly evil villain bent on destruction who, for no apparant reason, becomes a hero...

  • May 4, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    In short

    by superninja

    I really wanted to like it but it sucks. It has a few nice effect sequences.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Army of Darkness

    by david19

    If youve watched the Evil Dead Trilogy you will notice similarities. Evil Dead started out fairly serious with 1 and 2 though they were campy, then Raimi went ALL-CAMP with Army of Darkness, which was a fun movie, and my preferred of the three. But Spidey aint Army of Darkness and its pissing me off that Raimi took his slap-stick style from that movie and thought it was ok to inject it into Spidey 3. Spiderman is ours dammit, not yours Raimi.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Agreed--- You got your damned Venom movie.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Now shut up. All the old-school Spidey fans wanted to keep that silly-ass space symbiote shit out of the movies for a long time, but Noooooo.... You little Venom brats had to beg until Avi made it mandatory. So there's Venom. Enjoy it. I told you he would suck on screen, no matter HOW much money was spent, and I was right. It wasn't the actors, or the director, or the plot. It was the VERY IDEA of Venom. Ooh. "Dark Spider-Man"-- The whole evil twin thing ALWAYS sucks. It sucked in Superman III, too, and it's CLICHE and trite. Venom has always been a weak, badly-written character whose sole claim to fame is being black and having fangs and calling itself "We". <br> Now that Venom's out of the way, can we PLEASE have Scorpion, Mysterio, Lizard, Kraven, and the rest of the old-school rogues' gallery? Or are you little brats going to beg for Carnage now?

  • May 4, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Agree with you about Vader's turn in ROTJ, Rogue_Leade

    by wackedfuck

    r. As much as I love that movie (it was the first SW film I saw in the theaters, so it holds a special place in my heart) that part always felt forced even to me. Harry's turn wasn't so bad by comparison. Unlike the SW:OT, we already knew ahead of time that Harry wasn't always such a bad guy, so the potentional for him and Pete to make amends was already there and while the scene with the butler was stupid, it still helped set up Harry's decision to aid Peter. It's certainly better than Vader suddenly deciding, "Hey, maybe I should help my son." As for Venom/Brock's death going against the forgiveness theme, I disagree. Remember, Peter was trying to *save* Eddie from the suit. Brock got *himself* killed when he went after it. It pains me to write this, but as tacked on as Venom/Brock's death (and the character himself, for that matter) was, having him die as a result of his own stupidity was probably the best way to go. It would have been nice if they had him get knocked out in order to avoid that, though.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    Well said...I'm an old fart Spidey fan and never understood the appeal of Venom...he just seemed like a lame character..very contrived and designed for little kids. But I agree that a good script could have made him more interesting and exciting than what was in this film.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    I'D GIVE IT 7/10

    by The Real MiraJeff

    Quick review- First of all, I have to say, I thought the romance angle was handled as well as it could have been. I actually teared up when MJ breaks up with Peter on the bridge. I think the romance has been unfairly singled out as being a significant problem. Believe me, that isn't the problem. The problem is the script, which lays everything on much too thick. Basically Spider-Man 3 is reduced to soap opera levels, with amnesia and the whole "oh no he didn't" kiss between Harry and MJ. They don't do nearly enough with Venom. The coincidences of the symbiote falling out of the sky right next to Peter and MJ, coupled with the closely-monitored science experiment/sandbox that Marko falls into upon jumping over a fence are pretty hard to believe. But the hardest thing to believe was the Satuday Night Fever sequence, which was jaw-droppingly appalling. I'm all for these films having a sense of humor but what was Sony (and Raimi) thinking. Even a novice studio exec's first note should've been to can that whole sequence. Yikes. The Sandman's daughter subplot is abandoned, the Willem Dafoe cameo is plain creepy, the Stan Lee cameo feels shoehorned in, and the comic relief, for instance, the J. Jonah Jameson camera exchange just as Raimi has started the final major action sequence, is just bad timing. That exchange could've happened as MJ hangs in the taxi, but instead, Raimi starts the big finale and then stops it for a minute to wring a laugh out of J.K. Simmons. I thought the action was pretty well done, especially the rogue crane knocking out Gwen Stacy's building, and the shot of Harry throwing Spidey through the windows of a corner office, very very cool. The UncleBen flashbacks are kinda lame, as is most of the Aunt May stuff. I looooved the birth of the Sandman, that was expertly handled. I still think Dunst is hot. There's something about her mouth that is very alluring. She just feels like the All-American girl. Not a great actress but I don't think she's the weak link most reviews have been making her out to be. The resolution was a little bit of a letdown, with Spidey banging on some metal pipes to defeat Venom. I definitely don't like how unimaginative the series has been with kicking Spidey's ass. How many buildings and steel girders can we see the character knocked into? That's all that ever happens to him. Bryce looked great as Gwen Stacy, but her and Cromwell aren't given enough screentime. Bruce Campbell's scene is pretty great as a maitre'd or however you spell it. Elizabeth Banks' brief screentime is much appreciated. Emo Peter was pretty embarrassing. I'm trying to remember what else, sorry for this stream of consciousness review. There were a few jump scare moments that really got me, so I guess Raimi learned something from his days of producing Grudge movies. The Sandman effects were great but towards the end, they were noticeably not as good. I think Mori's review is great and right on the money. This is definitely the weakest entry in the series, and I think all the principles need to leave. Maguire's too good for this. How much longer can he play this character? If they can do it with Batman, they can recast Spidey. Gordon-Levitt would be good but he's too good of an actor to waste on more sequels. Raimi definitely needs to go back to his roots, maybe cook something up like A Simple Plan. Overall, not nearly as bad as I was expecting, judging from the flood of negative reviews (I'm talkin to you David Poland), but it's still kind of lifeless for an epic end to the trilogy. I didn't feel Spidey's soul. The script is just sloppy and clumsy at times. It's too long and there's way too much padding. My ass was numb after 2 and a half hours, and yet there's still plenty that feels underdeveloped. I was entertained, but I don't think people will be talking about this one all summer. Oh well. There's always The Dark Knight to look forward to.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    ......<br><Br><br><br><br>Okay, seriously, Venom's not dead. He's not, he's not, he's not. He's about as dead as Jean Grey at the end of X2. He's as dead as Superman when that bus gets thrown at him in Superman II. He's as dead as Harry Osbourne when the doctor comes out and tells Peter "he's going to be fine." He's dead purely in the sense that his presence in the movie ends. If whoever writes and direct the next Spidey film wants more Venom in it, they will have *exactly no difficulty* putting him in that film. It's fine. Really.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Robert Rodriguez should direct 2nd Spider-Man trilogy

    by BDuncan

    It'd be great if Robert Rodriguez signed on to direct a 2nd Spider-Man trilogy, as he could make Spider-Man 4 & 5 back to back and make them faster and better. It's unfortunate he probably couldn't take the job, as he's not a member of the Director's Guild anymore.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    I'd give it 2 and a half out of 4

    by chaseguy17

    This isn't a disappointment in the sense of Batman and Robin, or even say Batman Forever, but it was still disappointing. I can usually let one or two major nitpicks slide...but this movie is filled with them. One of the dumbest plots in this movie is that Harry flys in and chokes Mary Jane, and basically has him dump peter...even when he is proposing. Ummm...mary Jane...your boyfriend is Spiderman...pretty much Mary Jane thinks Harry would beat up Peter, so she dumps the love of her life...and NEVER...not ONCE...even tells Peter that she dumped him because of that reason. How rediculous is that? Even after peter goes and beats up harry and scars him up...mary jane never thinks to mention this to him. While people are complaining about Venom being a bad villian in this film...heck, I would have prefered him over the sandman. Now, I know these are "Comic" movies, but part of the wide success of these films is that you have guys with special abilities and powers, but you never have anything in these films that are giant monsters attacking the city. Sandman made this film too cluttered for my tastes. In fact, Peter letting him off of the hook at the end is hysterical. The guy probably killed thousands of people because he needed money. Oh...and the news reporter and stuff during that final battle(while i'm guessing the bad acting was intentional), it completely killed the momentum. Even more hilarious is, that when Mary Jane is up on the cab during the corny newscast, Peter slowly, and I mean SLOWLY walks to his bed, spends about 25 seconds taking the box with his suit out, under the bed, and then just stairs at his suit for a minute. Then he walks on by to Harry's. (I understand he needed the help..but your girlfriend could die at any second). Not to mention, the Harry glider fight at the end was beyond corny. Harry with Peter riding on the glider and avoiding sandman was so over the top, that it is such a huge departure from the last two films that it was depressing. The scene looked horribly fake and animated as well. My last minot nitpick was how extra corny the characters were. Now, I can actually accept this, because the scenes are funny. I mean Harry painting while listening to moonlight sonata and such, and Peter walking down the street...these scenes are hysterical. I just think Raimi got out of hand and did too much, that the movie kind of feels too much like a joke. Lastly...there was some terrible acting. besides the newsreporters...the whole forgiveness scene with flint was horribly done. The single worst acting scene in the towards the end with Harry talking to his Butler about Normans death. my god...this butler has known this all along...he's known Normon was the green goblin...and he just sits tehre. and i love his medical diagnostic that since the wounds looked like they came from his glider, that it defintely meant that he killed himself. Also, what happened to the Goblin machine making people crazy? Do you recall...that when Norman went through the machine...he went nuts. Clearly didn't happen to Harry. Harry's death...also very weak. He was all scar faced up, looking all techno with his 2 inch thick skateboard that somehow holds unlimited rockets and 3 to 4 inch tall pumpking bombs. We all knew he was dieing when he was all scar faced up. He wasn't even harry anymore...that the scene wasn't even depressing. venon talking with sanmdan reminded me of the bad batman films, with Ridler and twoface or poison ivy and mr. freeze teaming up together. The guy who only wants money to save his daughter, teams up with a black ailien with a monster mouth to kill a guy(spiderman) who has a perfectly good reason for not really liking mr. flint. Phew...I guess I had a lot of gripes...but can anyone really deny that these are huge flaws?

  • May 4, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Umm, are you basing that idea on Sin City or on Spy Kids? 'Cause as much as I love Sin City, I can think of few movies that would be a worse model for a Spider-Man movie than Sin City.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    just saw ways it's the definitive spider-man

    by misnomer

    movie, an in others it doesn't quite work. What I will say is that Spider-Man 3 comes closest to the spider-man movie that I imagined; it's by far the most "comic-booky" in tone....SM3 is a living breathing graphic novel. The fight sequences are masterfully handled, truly the best in the series. As for the multiple plot threads....despite reservations...I think the movie still manages to remain coherent, and I think these different plots are handled and edited well. BUT the biggest problem this movie had is that there really was just too much going on and ultimately you just didnt feel invested in any of these characters with the exception of Harry and Brock. I agree with Mori...the peter/mj relationship was the weakest aspect of this picture...the only real scene with pay-off was the resteraunt scene. Gwen had a great screen presence and I hope we see more of her in the future. The bugle scenes were great too. Not enough of sandman....not enough of venom...not enough of gwen. I disagree with those that wish to see raimi move on from this franchise....I still think he's the perfect director and deserves to be applauded for the sheer ambitousness of this movie. Who we should really be gunning for is Avi Arad...this movie REEKS of studio intervention. In that haunting scene where sandman takes his first steps you really get what sam raimi initially intended this picture to be....heres hoping for the extended version. Overall....I don't think this movie deserves the amount of negativity this site is giving it, and, again I disagree with the calls for raimi to move on. Tobey IS spider-man and I thought he handled the symbiote arc perfectly. Theres more right with this movie than wrong, so my advice would be to see it regardless of its mixed perception. This movie feels more like a spider-man picture than any of the others have thats for sure.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    re: "Can't any villains be 'bad'?"

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Jean Renoir, a great filmmaker/humanitarian said, "Everyone has their reasons." Meaning, even the seemingly evilest of the evil think they're doing the right thing, that they're somehow, in their own twisted view of things, are making the world a better place. Hitler thought he was doing the world a favor by exterminating the Jews, the Columbine High gunmen thought they were striking back at their "elitist" athletic tormentors, the Islamic insurgents currently think they are ridding their homeland of the Great Satan. It's the belief of many philosophists that the key to peace and a better world is to understand our enemies, to see how, in many ways, they are not so different from us. Perhaps through this enlightenment, the fighting might end. Perhaps this message of hope was what Mr. Raimi was shooting for? (Granted, I haven't seen the film yet) I firmly believe that enlightened thinking has a place anywhere, even in a summer blockbuster. Of course there are always hardline right wing hawks (like one former Def. Sec. D. Rumsfeld) who are blind to this kind of thinking and would rather simply smash those we view as evil or who are in our way into oblivion. The choice is yours.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    I wonder

    by Nudedude

    If Sam deliberately made the film this bad so they would not make another one. Making him the only diretor to have done Spider-Man.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    changes are neccesary

    by mcdowell_32000

    the returning actors (exception being j jonah) seem to be going through the motions. there need to be some major shakeups in casting & script to make the next one work.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    re: "Can't any villains be "bad'?"

    by Err

    Because in real life, all humans are not inherently bad. Hell, even Adolph Hitler wasn't all bad from start to the finish of his miserable life. I'm not condoning what he did at all but he wasn't bad as a child.-----Spider-Man 3 teaches us that there is bad in all of us, including the hero, just as there is good in all of us including the villains.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Uh, Tobey is too good for this character?

    by superninja

    No, sorry. The character is too good for 'ol Tobey. He never got the character right the first time. He got a pass in the first film because he played a teenager and it goes with his dead-eye stare.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Nudedude, I realize yer probably being sarcastic...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...but being a filmmaker/artist myself, I don't think anyone sets out to make a piece of shit. Ego and pride are far too important to us types. Believe me, Mr. Raimi probably isn't taking the current criticism of Spiderman 3 very well, or probably feels that the detractors "don't get it." If the film is as weak as everyone says it is, chalk it up to Mr. Raimi's own ineptness as a filmmaker (face it, he's no Scorsese) or what happens when you have too many plotlines and not enough character (as opposed to "characters") in one movie.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    None of the comic book movies have been GREAT

    by quantize

    ...someone send Dunst to the fuckin dentist for chrissakes, i spent most SM1 and 2 starin at those Bladesque fangs..

  • May 4, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but who wants to see a superhero movie so

    by superninja

    they can identify with evil being mundane? It's so very much not the point. People want to see superheroes be heroic and beat up evil people who do evil things.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Wasn't as good as 1 & 2

    by F69

    But still worth watching. I enjoyed it on the whole but agree with Moriarty in that I don't think I'll be seeing again at the cinema. One thing though, what the fuck was up with that Stan Lee cameo? Forget dancing or amnesia, THAT cameo was the most retarded thing in the movie. Well, that and the British news reporter. I don't know if it's just becuase I'm British but everytime she opened her mouth it made me cringe.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Thanks For Venom Ass Clowns!

    by CellarDweller

    I agree with Experiment 626--you whining bitchy little fan-boys had to have you extra helping of Venom, now the rest of us have to suffer with this bloated carcass called Spider-Man 3. The only thing that was missing from this pit of quicksand with its evil-Clark rip-off was Richard Pryor yucking it up. Instead we get get Tobey channeling the ghost of Anakin Skywalker with all that dancing shit in the Jaxz Club. Where do I begin? This is a slap in the face to longtime Spider-Man fans and supporters of Raimi and this franchise. And franchise really is the appropo term since this is McDonalds with black good and eyeliner. The first half of this sibling to Supes 3, X3, Bats 3 is spot-on. As soon as he get's the black suit it's like there's a solar eclipse that oscures any kind of coherant, logical narrative. More is not better! LEss would have been much more: more room for character developement (don't blink--you might miss Sandman!) Speaking of the the injustice done to this truly CLASSIC villain, WTF is up with him pummeling Spidey one moment, trying to get dough for his daughter, then fogeting entirely about his motivation and being reduced to this simpering sand pile asking Peter passive-agressively for forgiveness?! Venom, you're hero (you know who you are bitches,) looks like a lame, Spawn, inflatable sex doll will fangs. Remember in the bonus materials on the S2 DVD, John Dykstra wanted to raise the bar (and did) and said he was more interested in creating a few, carefully-crafted moments of CGI goodness instead of a ton of mediocre effects? Remember that Sam?!!! So what happens? Dykstra bails and we got exactly what he cautioned against. I cringed during the entire Marshmallow Man, I mean Sandman sequence, oh heck, the ENTIRE battle at the end. I have no love for Venom, but even I know he'd never wouldn't ask Quicksandman for help defeating Spidey like he was asking him to have some tea (and Sandman doesn't have a grudge or deep hatred of Spidey) What is the sufficient motive for Sandman to help Venom? Is Venom going to help his daughter? NO!!! This has more holes than Sandman after Spidey web-balled him! Let's hope Raimi hands the reins over to another director and they fire Avi Arad for listening to you Venom-69ers. This should have been the highlight of the Summer films, let's hope Pirates 3 and Shrek 3 don't stuff their stories with table scraps the like Raimi and Co stuff this turkey. Thanks Venom bitches and Raimi & Co. I hope all the money was worth trading in your artistic integrity. Over. And. Out!

  • May 4, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    I'm gonna try something...

    by Napolean Solo

    The paragraph partition test <br> Here goes <br> Nothing <br> Or something?

  • May 4, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by Napolean Solo

    Look Ma... <br> <br> King of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 4, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST


    by Napolean Solo

    Wish we'd of met before you wrote that. :-)

  • May 4, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    quantize...I disagree

    by Err

    Spider-Man 2 is a great film. Superman: The Movie is a great film. Both comic book films.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    The best of the films

    by Nerdboy1423

    WHY? Because it was honest with what is was and what it wasn't. The emo Spider-Man and the tongue in cheek attitude of the film are very obviously intentional and stick closely to the tone of the comic books and the cartoons. Venom wasn't as bad as I thought he'd be, but still he seemed very tacked on. I really wish that it would have just been a Harry vs. Pete film with Sandman. I liked Eddie Brock, but I don't think he needed to become Venom until the last second of the film. They needed more focus with the villains, because the only interesting one in this one was Harry. It was a greatly character-centric film and I loved that about it. It wasn't illogical and best of all, it was pure fun.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Napolean Solo

    by CellarDweller

    Why's that? Sorry for all the spelling errors btw. Difficult to spell when I'm coughing up bile.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST


    by Chishu_Ryu

    Right, let's drive that point into our young children who see movies like this so that when they meet others (say...classmates) that are different from them or who they think are wrong they can play heroic and commence to beat them up. I remember being annoyed back in high school at how those who dressed Goth or Vampish where seen as evil or bad or simply f***ed up by those more "normal."

  • May 4, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    The Real MiraJeff

    by CellarDweller

    7/10 huh? Are you high? How about 5/10 since 50% rocked and the other 1/2 is like a rancid Whopper that's still giving me the runs. The elements that were good would have been great is there was room for those scenes to breathe, which is what Raimi was so successful at with the first 2 films. This is what happens when you take a great script (Sandman and Vulture--Ben Kingsley!!!) and trade a classic, kickass villain for a lump of black tar with fangs and then try to quickly stitch a bunch of half-baked scenes together from multiple scripts. This movie is a Frankenstein monster that's coming apart at the seams!

  • May 4, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    My worst fears were not realized

    by HeyMikey

    I just got done watching SM3 honestly I did think it was pretty entertaining. Not great like 2 but overall I didn't feel too rip-offed which is good enough for me. Dark peter was interesting I thought since it was a change of pace. From tobey making his me very sad faces all the time. Which we still get plenty of throughtout this movie also.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    so Harry saw the film early

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    and yet is the last one to post a review? waiting on those box office numbers to roll in, are we? <P> Good review tho Mori, even tho i disagree with some of it. LOVED the birth of Sandman but as the film went on i kept asking myself "why is he in this movie at all?" Church did do a good job tho with what he was given, as did Grace which i was suprised to like as much as i did. one thing i hated was emp-peter...not how he acted because the smarmy asshole he becomes is pretty much perfect, just didnt like him actually looking in the mirror and combing his hair down....lame. everytime he came on screen i just kept telling myself to look at him like hes a coke-head and not an MCR fan. Venom looked AMAZING and as much as i wanted more, the fact that i got to see a badass looking Venom onscreen makes me there is the sample in Dr. Connors lab so the possibility of a return or at least of Carnage is there. and i am not ashamed to say i laughed my ass off at the SN Fever scene. i thought it was hysterical. loved Bruce Campbell as usual and his cameo was hillarious (loved his whistle, haha) Harry who i loathed in SM1 & 2 was actually a good guy in this one. MJ pissed me off being a cunt as usual and i fucking cheered when Peter was flirting with Betty Brant. Gwen was cute and vibrant as she should have been and i think all things considered they did her justice. i was happy they kept her a good hearted person in the nightclub scene. i cant help but think MJ would have done the opposite and been as spiteful as Peter. all in all i loved it. yes it was a heavy film and was a bit all over the place but Raimi has given us 2 great films already and im glad he decided to go all out and let his hair down on this one. i think we've been spoiled with "inside" info for too long and we expected so much it was impossible not to be let down a bit.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    this guy is the king

    by christpunchers2007

    Spideman 3: THE ROTJ of the Spiderman trilogy! by Rogue_Leader May 4th, 2007 05:11:08 PM To me the movie was essentially like the Return of the Jedi of the Spiderman Trilogy. In fact the series has followed a VERY similar pattern to the Star Wars trilogy. The fist movie was a great film and re-energized its genre. The second film VASTLY improved on the first and gave the characters greater depth and put them in situations that truly challenged them, giving them more weight. The third movie just feels like a let down for alot of reasons, which is ironic because in terms of story its the most epic, but in many reasons that is EXACTLY why the film is so much weaker. The filmakers CLEARLY bit off more than they could chew here and the sloppy writing shows all over. However, ultimately like ROTJ, Spiderman 3 is still a pretty damn good movie. Although it leaves you feeling like it could have been so much more given its potential. The reasons are numerous but here are the major ones and ironically virtually all are matched by ROTJ: 1) WAY too much material for one movie: Definitely the biggest complaint! I dont understand why they just didn't pay the cast for a few extra months of shooting and do Spiderman 3 and 4 back to back. The film CLEARLY needed to be done in two halves. 3 villians, several story arcs, and trying to fit in all those action sequences. The villians were poorly developed. The Goblin character worked best primarily because it built off the Harry plotline of the first two films. The Sandman character was just weak as hell with like one scene devoted to him and his family. However, even that didn't come close to the abysmal job they did with the "Venom" character. Which is in quote because it was really only Venom aesthetically and NOT character-wise. The whole "Venom" plotline was like 5 minutes and just felt so tacked-on it was ridiculous. Token is not a word for this. What is so sad is they could've built on the Brock/Parker rivalry with Venom trying to outdo Parker as the "New Darker Superhero" in town. However, here its just so one dimensional its sad. Then they have all the numerous indivudual plot points like Harry and MJ, MR and PEter's strained relationship, Peter and Gwen, Peter going to the "dark side" and of course the continuing battle between Peter and Harry. All of it was so rushed each plot point was given like 5 minutes of time. The action sequences too all feel rushed and unfulfilled. With the exceptions of the final big battle. Which is the most satisfying part or Spiderman 3, just like it was in ROTJ. ROTJ has this same problem with having so much story to tell, but to be fair that was because of the more episodis nature of SW and needing to include so much to finish the trilogy. Here, the filmakers could've easily trimmed story elements for the 4th movie. 2) A storyline that is ultimately rudimentary and predictable: ROTJ suffered from this greatly. In Spiderman 3 you can see the true potential behind each of the storylines it introduces. However, just like ROTJ it resolves them in a predictable and cliche fashion. You can practically see the major events and sequences telegtaphed well before they transpire. 3) Absolutely moronic narrative decisions: First and foremost among these is the absolutely idiotic way in which Peter gets the dark spidey suit. A meteor carrying the suit just HAPPENS to land by him and his girlfriend. Ummmmmmm OK ..... contrived much? Seriously, I dont understand why Mr. Jameson's son AKA "The Big Astronaut" didn't bring it back from a trip to the moon or something. Would've made alot more sense. Then there is the bit with Harry where he is contemplating assisting Peter and suddenly out of the middle of nowhere his friggin butler shows up and tells him the night his father died he "examined the wound" and determined it came from his father's glider. OH REALLY? OH and why EXACTLY didn't you say anything about this BEFORE!?!?!?! Seriously, he just decided to keep that secret for all this time? OH and how the F#$% did he know where the wound came from? What? When he's not a butler he moonlights as a forensic pathologist or something? Sheesh! OH well at least it didn't have a plot point as bad as ROTJ's most egregious AKA Ewoks! 4) Ridiculous overacting scenes that and poorly and conventiently scripted try and take the place of proper story development: Another problem ROTJ had that is possibly even worse here. Big cries all around in an attempt to give the film more "drama" and instead ends up being melodrama. Ironically just like ROTJ the most flagrant example of this poor development is the "abrupt villian to good guy transformation" with little to no actual advancement. It just suddenly transpires. ROTJ with Vader. Here its the Goblin. and lastly ...... 5) Like ROTJ the "pay off" ultimately feels unsatisfying and not truly worthy of all the build-up and momentum that lead up to it: I friggin hate how they have to keep killing off the villians. Especially the Venom character because we REALLY never even got a chance to really see him in the first place SAVE for one lousy action sequence. IT all felt so half-assed. Other reviewers have pointed out they didn't even need to kill him since Spiderman managed to remove the suit from him. Of course I guess they felt compelled to kill him since he killed PEter's friend, but this almost seems to run contrary to the movie's message of forgiveness and restraint. The way the Sandman plotline is resolved is just very bland. He sheads a tear and says "I forgive you". Oh ...... how heartwarming! Seriously, come on is that the best they can do? Oh and the ending itself leaves so much unresolved and ambiguous its almost like they were trying to scream WAIT FOR SPIDERMAN 4. We see Peter dancing with MJ and a fade to black? Weak! Hey, I am not saying I wanted to see them run out of the "Little White Chapel" with people throwing confetti at them but COME ON! That just didn't feel likee the proper ending for the trilogy. Overall call me disappointed, but not doleful. It wasn't all it should've been DEFINITELY but it was not terrible.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    yes the astronaut story

    by christpunchers2007

    would have worked much better. imagine a big action sequence where spidey has to save new york from a giant shuttle, the civilians, the kids, the people in the shuttle, no villians, other than spiderman saving the god damn day (and you could have the spidey day celebration to honor him for resucing the pilots and NY) theyve already introduced JJ's son from sm2, WHY DIDNT THEY DO THIS instead of having a comet land RIGHT NEXT to parker at the EXACT moment and location? Whoever allowed this giant error to happen should have his head cut off. Now I know sm1 and 2 had its great share of coincidences but this one just takes the cake.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    you guys bitch about venom but

    by Novaman5000

    Could you imagine if Sandman was the only villain? I'd fucking shoot myself.<p> The movie was filled with cheese and cliches, and characters like venom were not given enough time, but it had a few things going for it.<p> I loved the action/effects sequences. I absolutely fucking loved the birth of sandman (though his creation was yet another coincidence that's ridiculous). Him coming out of the sand for the first time is fantastic. I was ok with the dancing, but the jazz club dancing scene did not work for me at all... it like stopped the movie in its tracks. The street dancing was funny, that could have stayed but that jazz sequence... what the fuck?<p> Loved the supporting characters- Topher played a pitch-perfect sleezy bastard. Gwen was so freakin cute. J.Jonah, good as always and my god I love elizabeth banks as his secretary.<p> Venom's voice should have been deeper... I mean really. And he should have referred to himself as "we" like the comics. (I'm not a comic purist but that seemed like a really unnecessary change that actually takes a bit away from the character). That butler, who i actually found really funny, should NOT have been the deus ex that he was. THAT was ridiculous.<p> Also hated the play by play the fucking reporters were giving at the end. That british woman actually said "Oh the humanity". SHE ACTUALLY SAID THAT.<p> And rewriting the Uncle Ben story? Not cool. It totally changes the first film and not in a good way. Peter NEEDS to be responsible for what happened to uncle ben. That's part of the character. Now it's like, eh, just forget about that peter, no need to feel guilty anymore.<p> All in all it was an enjoyable but aomewhat disappointing film with some downright puzzling creative decisions by people who should know better.<p> Oh, and it was WAY better than X3.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    want to know why they didnt do the astronaut story?

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    TIME! to get the whole thing right would take a good 30 minutes of screentime right there. yes the meteor (not a comet, theres a difference) landing right next to him was convenient, but its a movie guys..a COMIC BOOK movie. stranger shit has happened.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Harry's glued to Ian Zering

    by CellarDweller

    Yeah, Tub O' Fun, where's your review? What are you waiting for? Can't you tear yourself away from that Dancing With The Stars re-run long enough to grace us with your take on this travesty? Maybe Moriarty should have the honor of being animated on the homepage. Slacker!

  • May 4, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    And yes, the symbiote should have come from the

    by Novaman5000

    space mission... With the astronaut already introduced in part 2, that was a no brainer. What happened??

  • May 4, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    they prob didn't do the shuttle thing cuz superman

    by Novaman5000

    returns just did something very similar, still, they could have had the astronaut bring it back, didn't have to be a huge action sequence.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    agree with you totally.... when we first found out this movie was going to have a lot to do with the black suit, i knew there was going to be troubles ahead. Alien symbiote from other space does not blend in well with the first 2 movies, which were based on a sci-fi semi-realistic universe where you go "yeah it COULD be possible for a guy to have spider powers" or "yes a person can fly on a glider" or "a person's mind can indeed control robotic arms connected to his spine". I think somewhere down the line raimi got really fed up, didnt want to argue with the execs anymore, and just use whatever garbage script they wanted him to follow, and there you go gentlemen, thats the trash that you get. SM3 does not feel like a proper sequel to the well-done first 2 movies.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I agree on that count--

    by zb.brox

    If they were going to do Venom, they set it up really well in SM2. John Jameson, nice guy, also a big guy like comic-style Brock, has his fiance stolen--on the day of the fricking wedding--by Spider-Man. Also, he's an astronaut. Also, you could give Jonah a real role in the movie for the first time--he's certainly earned it. Could've been really fantastic. Still, I really liked the rivalry between Toby and Topher in this one, so I'm not too upset by that missed opportunity.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    They needed one villian

    by Jaka

    Just one. Story! Give us a story! This movie is CRAP. Oh, and maybe if Kirstin didn't forget how to act, that might have helped. Maybe if there was ANY exposition. Stop assuming everyone going to these has read every issue ever printed. I even stopped caring about the action scenes. MAYBE if they didn't assume that we would be invested enough in the story/characters after the first two that they could just throw shit and the screen we'd eat it with a spoon, I might not have stopped caring. But they DID, and I don't care. Has anybody heard the screen hope it stuck, I might have cost estimates on this film, including the advertising. It's near a half billion dollars. And it's crap. For the cost reason alone it trumps X3's suckage by leaps and bounds. Blech!

  • May 4, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    spiderman 3

    by huggerorange

    I did not like this movie very much, it feels very unbalanced and unfocused compared to the first 2 movies. The whole sand man story needed to be thrown in the garbage, i dont see a purpose for this character. Why mess with what was established in 1 and 2? to bring some kind of closure?.. please thats lame. These are comic book movies should continue forever..theyre derive from comic books!! What i think this movie needed was more focus on The venom story/origin and maybe told in a more horrorsci fi way to make everything more menacing.the black suit/redsuit stuff was good and so was the little venom we got to see here, but the 45 min(or more maybe) long mj, peter parker, sandman stuff--I really wanted to like it but it was weak.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    the astronaut/shuttle story could have worked. leave out gwen stacey and the crane sequence, do the shuttle landing story instead. you begin sm3 exactly where sm2 ended, spidey is going to where the shuttle is predicted to crash and he does some crazy ass amazing cgi sequence to save new york and the astronauts. Bam right away one of the many specimens of rocks collected from the moon turns out to be the symbiote and attaches itself unknowingly to spidey. It would have been perfect, plus we wouldnt get a gwen stacey character which wasnt very well fleshed out anyhow. But of course the studios needed a complete color palette in every movie so they HAD to insert a blonde woman somewhere.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    SM3 was okay: not great and not bad. Just okay.

    by Orbots Commander

    It actually reminded me of Batman Forever a whole lot. Spidey 3 was fun and entertaining in places, but at times it was very tedious to sit through and I found myself checking my watch. The main faults? Venom didn't belong in the movie; I say don't bring him back. Venom doesn't work on the big screen like he does on the page. Although I know that Sony and Arad are looking to do a fourth Spider-Man movie, afer sitting through '3' it seems like they should give this franchise a rest, at least for a few years. This flick was more exhausting than entertaining.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Venoms Voice

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    yeah, i agree with that aspect. i was dumbstruck when i heared tophers voice coming out of him. please give us a directors cut DVD and fix that shit. still think people are bitching way too much about the film. why dont you poeple put half of the effort you guys put into complaining about franchises you love being ruined and put it into writing a screenplay and submit it? thats how people get writing jobs you know.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    You Venom haters are such bitches.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    It was absolutely Raimi's fault for fucking up the movie. He wrote the movie, he directed the movie. He wrote a shitty Venom, he shot a shitty Venom. A good Venom story could've been phenomenal, but it didn't happen. JEsus.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    venoms voice was a joke

    by christpunchers2007

    he needed a dual voice, one as eddie and also the symbiote speaking in a lions voice like in the TAS at the same time.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    should have had Andy Serkis do venoms voice

    by Mr_X

    yessssssss! ( stil wouldnt have saved the movie though

  • May 4, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Jack Colby

    by CellarDweller

    "The movie was wonderful"?!!! Did we see the same piece of garbage? Do you think you could slob Raimi's knob any more than you've already have? Oops,I think you missed a drop--back on your knees Jackie Boy. More is not the same thing as better. These characters were cardboard cut-outs. The only reason we care the slightest about their fates is b/c of the solid, character dev. that was done in the first 2 movies. The lame butler scene, 2 seconds with Flint's family, another 2 seconds with Gwen, Peter in drag doing a dance number and playing the piano (who knew he was such an accomplished pianist?!) Those are well developed characters? Sure, some of the action kicked ass (in the first half,) but the finale, what was supposed to be the cherry on top of a magnificent trilogy, was mediocre at best. I suppose you would have been creaming your jeans if they had shoe-horned in Carnage and Mysterio eh? Yeah, bravo Raimi this is your target audience apparently: The cram-it-til-it's-busin'-at-the-seams bottom feeders. Is Joel Spewmacher your personal guru? Stick to flipping burgers Jack.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    My box-office prediction:

    by Forestal

    Record-breaking Opening Weekend followed by crappy legs.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    That post right there really just crammed you into the smallest pigeonhole of asshole, elitist talkback pricks. The guy liked the movie. I don't care how much you hated it, there were a lot of things to like about the movie. If you wanna list all the reasons you think he's wrong, please do (even if they're reasons as petty and idiotic as "Wtf, since when can superhero nerds whose aunts teach piano play the piano?!?"), but the ridiculous personal attacks make your opinion seem like the ravings of a jilted fanboy rather than the considered opinions of a fan of the medium. Christ, man, chill out.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Not everything in spiderman

    by huggerorange

    Not everything in spiderman 3 needs to be thrown in the garbage. I also think the harry osborne stuff was good or passable but definately MORE Venom WHYYY!!!!?? did they do this?, its like 10 minutes of venom, this is sad.Oh well, it is what it is, no use in crying over spilled milk. The little of venom that is there is good, yes with exception of the voice, the ending of how spidey handled venom was cool. Venom must return in 4!!!!Please you friggin suits know nothing!!!

  • May 4, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    hahaha read the TBs for SM1 and 2

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    guess what youll find...BITCHING!!! suprise suprise.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    I'm losing sleep already b/c I'm and elitist talkback prick. Sue me if I'm passionate about my superheroes. It's OK to like global warming too but I'm not going to stand by and watch my planet melt. I'm sure Jack's a big boy. He can defend himself is he feels the need. Maybe he'll invite you over to watch Batman and Robin for coming to his defense. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • May 4, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Yeah, exactly Forestal.

    by Orbots Commander

    Although I'm not sorry I saw SM3--- it was an okay time at the movies--- I really have no urge to see it again. I'm sure a good number of people will feel the same way. Not that this movie won't be a success. It likely will be a huge success after this weekend, overseas BO, and DVD sales. But it definitely doesn't hold up to multiple viewings and won't make as much cash as it could have if the movie were better. I can't see myself buying this DVD when it's released. Geez, I hope POTC3 and Bourne Supremacy are good, otherwise sayonara Summer movie season.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    maybe a failed science xperiment can save this fillm

    by dr.bulber

    maybe not. wow this thing is really baaaddd. fess up. it sux.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    Dammit gunslinger, why didnt you tell raimi this Before he started shooting this turd??

  • May 4, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST


    by Jaka

    I'm sure that's true, but they were NOT the steaming piles of crap that S3 is.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    An atrocity...

    by tile_mcgillus

    Fuck this movie. If you liked this movie, fucking shoot yourself in the head and make the world a better safer place. I have witnessed some shit before but WTF was that? I left the theatre in shock. That script literally bordered between nonsense and jibberish. It was like a stream of conscienceness retelling by a 13 year old girl with alheizmer's and the gout. I can't believe people are liking this. IT IS SO FUCKING BAD, I NOW THINK LESS OF THE PREVIOUS MOVIES!! I don't think I have ever seen a weaker script put to film...possibly ever. There were moments (First Sandman fight scene) where I could let it go. But then they would say or do something so awful people in my theatre actually gasped in horror...thanks Jazz club. This is what happens when studio FUCKS meddle in create affairs (Sam Raimi tried desperately to not include Venom). Seriously people stop lying to yourself and admit it, that was shit.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    You make the mistake of assuming I'm defending him. I'm not. I'm attacking you. You can be as passionate as you wnat, it is, in fact, possible to be passionate without being an incredible dickhead at the same time. Give it a try, you might be good at it one day.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    huh? tell him what? to change the voice? sorry i deem to have lost Raimis number :P haha

  • May 4, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    Sorry, I dozed off for a second. You were saying?

  • May 4, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    I think I was fairly clear.

    by zb.brox

    If you didn't get the message, so be it, being incapable of civil conversation isn't a crime.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    "An atrocity..."?

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    oh come the fuck you're being fucking rediculous. what was soooo fucking bad about it? flawed? sure...what comic film isnt? hell sm1 and 2 are flawed to a degree. so are xmen 1 and 2. so is batman begins. im sorry but there will never EVER be a comic book film that makes everyone 100% happy. to call this an atrocity is such whiney fan-boy bullshit it borders on the edge of laughable. <P> Jaka, like i said, a "steaming pile if shit" isnt what i think of when i see this movie. face it, we all expected too much or its been too long since most of you have seen the first 2 films.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    biggles you still around here?

    by Onomaki Forp

    You asked just pillow talk and me over on the Cumpston thread to come back and post our reactions after seeing the movie. I don't know where pillow talk is, but after seeing it this afternoon I posted my review over there...I'm not about to post it twice... if you want to read it it's over there.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    You do realize of course that I've exposed you for the very same thing you accused me of being. It IS possible to be passionate without resorting to peronal attacks and being a "dickhead." I chose not to in my response to Jack. How are you any different when you resort to "attacking" me with an infantile insult. You've just been had at your own game. Consider yourself exposed: Hypocrite.

  • May 4, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    it is a great movie... just you comic book geeks

    by Russman

    don't like it. All of this petty complaining. Maybe on the DVD if they throw in some more explosions you'll like it more.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    your plot idea for venom

    by huggerorange

    your plot idea for venom

  • May 4, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    sorry, i was stuck reading all the bitching about this movie

  • May 4, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    nah... spiderman 3 really

    by huggerorange

    nah... spiderman 3 really wasnt as good as one or two, quit lying to yourself

  • May 4, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    I criticized your actions. I said you were acting like a dickhead, which you admitted you were. That isn't name-calling, that's description of your behavior. You, on the other hand, made ad hominem attacks based on someone's opinion. (ad hominem, on the off chance you don't know, means that you attacked the person rather than the person's argument). Now, if you wanted to, say, call me out for being a condescending prat and elcturing you about your behavior, that would be reasonable. If, on the other hand, you simply said I was a cock-sucking cow fetus, that would be an ad hominem attack and would be, as I said, acting like a total dickhead. If you can't see the difference, we may have trouble having a conversation here.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    what was soooo fucking bad about it?

    by tile_mcgillus

    The whole fucking movie could been solved with a few simple sentences. This is a symptom of horrible writing. <br><br>"Harry, your father had lost his mind and starting killing people, I tried to stop him and instead he tried to kill me and killed himself in the process...I am so sorry." <br><br> Yeah it was an atrocity. There were so many cheesy moments I think I am now lactose intolerent. The cast, crew and director did not take it serious, in fact, you can tell they started to hate it. Despise it even.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    in reference to the superman returns comment earlier

    by huggerorange

    eventhough superman returns was a little lagging at times, i enjoyed it alot more than spiderman 3

  • May 4, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    The whole movie couldn't have been stopped with those sentences. Clearly, Peter tried to say that. He said similar during one fight, and also referenced off-screen conversations on the same topic. Harry clearly didn't believe him--or didn't want to believe him. Given Harry was hallucinating about his dead father, it's entirely possible his father's death unhinged him to a degree. Or it may simply have been that he was so desperate for his father's approval that he craved the chance to avenge him, and couldn't accept that he'd never get it. Those possibilities are all fairly well-supported by all three films.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    Who's being an elitist, asshole talkback prick now? Attempting to condescend to me by posing as a wannabe, Harvard English professor is lame (ad hominem--groan...)Whether one is attacking who someone is or what one says is splitting hairs. The guy had an insane perception/dellusion regarding the film and I pointed it out in a tongue-in-cheek, mean-spirited manner. Go hump a Thesaurus.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST


    by Deus Vult

    And to be fair, I haven't seen it yet, but plan on getting into the afternoon showing at the edwards on weslayan here in houston if you aicn austinite staffers are in the area you can take a swing at the big instigator DV.<p>So yea Mori good work. I don't often pay attention to who writes the reviews on the site and haven't since day one when running across AICN by accident, but I do give you alot of credit on this one. you've clearly thought alot about the film, and it's not quantity thought per se but quality thought which translates into a fair and balanced review to borrow a phrase sure to make aicn staffers angry.<p>so in the end I appreciate your efforts, and most especially the time you've given over and above that which you owe to your wife and the rest of your family when writing the review and seeing the movie. well done.<p>oh and thanks for NOT using any profanity or x-rated metaphors, similes or alliteration in your review. who knew aicn could have a good review without such things? is Mori on to something here?!?

  • May 4, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Amen Brother SoylentMean

    by CellarDweller

    Forgive me for being a twat. You make a valid point. The first half of the movie was near perfection. The last half was, well, let's just say I'd rather drink sweat collected from zb.brox's butt crack than suffer through that fiasco again. Let the homophobic jokes commence...

  • May 4, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    Peter delivers that line in the hopsital or the apartment and they talk it out. It would have made for a more belieavable story ark than Peter actually attmepting to kill his best friend, methinks. The movies main villain was Mis-Communication. She got more screentime than anyone else.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    That was better...

    by zb.brox

    ...until the end. Though accusing me of condescending to you is kind of cheating as I'd already suggested that one. I'd also question why anyone would pose as a wannabe Harvard English professor instead of an actual Harvard English professor, but I suppose your argument would be that I'm just so lame that even my aspirations are of other, better aspirations. Though, as you don't seem to like thesauri, you might not have used those words. <br><br>As for whether you're attacking the message or the person being "splitting hairs", I have to totally disagree. If I lay out an argument as to why this movie was good, and you respond with "no, you're a shithead", then only one of us has actually made a valid point as to the quality of the movie, see? Better conversation all around if you stick to the point, rather than attack each other. Unless, I suppose, the attacks are particularly funny, but I'm afraid, in my opinion, yours weren't. If you disagree, I suppose we have a valid difference of opinion, and it can't be helped.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    I admit, I was half expecting Peter to tell Harry his side of the story after Harry's amnesia. And it probably would have been better if he had. But that doesn't make it a problem--the fact is, he has his best friend back, and he's not willing to risk that. I understand that, and it's sad, and I empathize, so I don't consider it a flaw in the film.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    It fucking sucked

    by hadez

    The damn Song/Dance sequences alone fuck it up.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    An absolute atrocity

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    Really liked Spiderman 1 and 2, didn't love them but liked both a lot. This was just really realy unbelievably bad. At one point in the theatre, a guy i didn't know who was three seats down turned to me and goes "what the hell is this?"...that summed it up. the director is to blame for the major tone shifts throughout but wow, the script is just awful. A meteor lands next to Pete, sand man falls into a molecular destablizer? It's a good thing Benard the butler was there...things were so overdramatic and out of left field that after the butler's big speech i half expected him to die right there in harry's arms. Tobey can not do evil. It's out of his grasp. maybe i'm wrong. maybe he just couldn't pull it off in this flick. It was wierd when the movie turned into THE MASK and jim carrey did the dance number in the bar to impress cameron Diaz/Kirsten Dunst. the dialogue...UGH. if sandman said i have to get money for my daughter one more fucking time. HARRY: They're my best friends...I'd die for them...ooohhhh....did you catch that subtle forshadowing. How about the newscaster bringing us up to speed on what's happening during the final fight. Who made this piece of shit! I think Sam Raimi was infected by a Tim Story simbiote. it's the only way i can explain this garbage. UGH!

  • May 4, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    "With great power comes great responsibility."

    by darthbinks1220

    Now it's, "With great power comes really bad disco dancing."

  • May 4, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by darthbinks1220


  • May 4, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot

    by tile_mcgillus

    Well said.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    uh...did you pay attention at all? peter DID tell harry his dad was crazy and trying to kill "SHUT UP!" and then ripped a brick wall apart. sounds like the kind of guy who appreciates a good heart to heart. sounds like the reason you hated the film is because you chose not to pay attention. ADD must suck. face facts, you dont like it because all you do when you see a franchise film like this you fucking nitpick it to death looking for flaws. grow up man. there are more important things in life than big summer movies.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    Blah, blah...Is this a contest to prove who has the superior intellect (or more expansive vocabulary?) How droll. If you re-read my talkback to Jack, you'll see that I was quite succinct about characterizing not just my opinion of him as a theatrical patron, but his take on the festering fecal matter that was half of Spider-Man 3. I for one was amused by my attack on Jack and really, isn't that what truly matters?

  • May 4, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    Film is subjective, we are all affected by a film in different ways so everyones opinion is valid but whoa, how can you not see why poeple might be a little upset with this flick. Seriously. This isn't a nitpicky thing. this is a stare at the credits in disbelief kind of thing.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    I think a problem here is...

    by zb.brox

    ...the movie didn't work on an emotional level for a lot of people. The story was crammed in, which meant the highs and lows switched up jarringly, the humor and the darkness seemed to be in tight contrast, and storylines switched so often you couldn't keep emotioanlly centered on any one. But when people are left emotionally unfulfilled, they tend to try and intellectuallize it and rationalize specific things to be "wrong", and that manifests as nit-picking over really stupid things that anyone enjoying the movie mentally glosses over and fills in the blanks for. Not the only problem people have, obviously, but I think it's there.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    I understand what you are saying. This whole hatred based on a miscommunication or false assumption thing got old. That whole plot point was the only thing that brought any drama or story to the film. The res tof the film just kind of happened around it. It could have been solved in one GREAT scene not 2 1/2 HORRIBLE hours.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by jinnjab

    with all these bad or so-so reviews I went in with low expectations and enjoyed myself.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp

    This review was posted this afternoon on the Neill Cumpston's Mum's review thread by request...but nobody's come to that thread to read cut and paste: If anybody read my earlier post, I mentioned (not by name) a certain third-rate film critic whose negative review had given me hope for this movie. The theory being that this guy was so inept that if he didn't like it it had to be good. Well, his review was inept, (for example, he complained about "Harry's English Butler" being introduced just to provide exposition...I wonder if he saw the film at all or just compiled his review from *ahem* Internet fan forums. That butler was about as English as Kevin Federline's skinny white trash ass.) but it was more of a case of him disliking the film for the wrong reasons. The final line of his review was that the film had been reduced to being just a comic-book movie. If only that were true. I don't hate Spider-Man 3 but this is a terribly, terribly flawed movie. What really troubles me is that I can't help but wonder if this was deliberate. This movie seems to have been directed by more than one person...I don't just mean a second or third feels like two or three very different films rough hewn together. (yes I know, things are hewn apart not together...that's actually a Mike Myers reference that feels more accurate in this case) At times it is brilliant very much like the first two Spideys - then it morphs into something else entirely - a dreadful parody of itself. I suppose one could deconstruct this as a cinematic device underlining the personality conflicts within the characters, or it could actually be shitty, sloppy filmmaking, or a desperate attempt to get out of contractual obligation? You got me. But the "walks like a black person sequence" reads like a very bad parody of the Axe body spray campaign. You half expect one of the women Peter sexually harrasses om the street to stop, turn, and go "BOOM-CHIK-A-POW-POW". And the already infamous Jazz-Dance sequence... comparing it to The Mask is simply too kind. This entire sequence has no fucking place in this movie period. It's like putting a Monty Python sketch in the middle of Greek tragedy and not expecting anyone to notice. These two scenes are Superman IV Quest for Peace bad, are Supergirl bad. People complain about Topher Grace and Venom. But what got to me were Peter and Mary Jane. I thought Harry was the one with amnesia, but Tobey and Kristen act like they've never seen nor read the script for Spider-man 1 & 2. Mary Jane says to Peter "who are you" I found myself asking both of them that from start to finish. I'm afraid Mrs. C. is dead on the money when it comes to the crying and moping - and really stupid out of character behavior on the part of these two. And horrid plot holes, for example much is made of the fact that Mary Jane can't sing well enough for Broadway - But Peter's too much in love with her to realise she's not that good. Fine enough, but don't say her problem is she can't project past the front row. What year is this, 1935? I've been to a lot of Broadway musicals (big surprise there) and there hasn't been an actress who could project past the first few rows since Ethel Merman!!! (well, maybe Liza) That's why for nearly two decades now every singer on Broadway is miked! Also if I were madly in love with an actress on Broadway, (it could happen) so in love that I was getting ready to slip an engagement ring into her champagne in a fit of romantic twitterpation, you'd better believe that I would read the New York Times Arts Section every day just to read her name in the ad's - especially the weekend pages that would have ad's with her picture in. I would drive, or in this case websling past the theatre at least once a night to see her name up in lights...thats what lovers do. They don't not notice it when a leading lady gets replaced. Furthermore Mary Jane could not be a leading lady on Broadway without legions of gay friends, fans, and wannabes hanging around her and Peter. These guys gossip like no one else - boyfriend would have been told! Speaking of Family... My dear Mrs. C., that photographer did not set off my gaydar at all. But I'll excuse you as he was British, and we know that all brits seem gay to Texans. Even to sweet little old Texan ladies like yourself. Now the director and producer of Mary Jane's show, *they* were clearly gay. (musical showpeople gay? never.) But in another weird out of character moment, the one who seemed the most gay in the film was "emo" Peter. What? being evil, dark, and sinister - means turning metrosexual and acting snippy? If Peter's dark side came forth (couldn't say came out in this context. nope not gonna do it.) wouldn't it make more sense for it to be MORE "butch" like roid-rage biker aggro? But that's a small quibble...the whole Peter and Mary Jane's love life plot was just awful...long, boring sequences of characters being much stupider than they should be, missing the obvious, and behaving like they were in a third-rate telenovella. What did I like? There was a lot more action than Mother Cumpston led us to believe...and the best sequences were not the Peter and Harry fights (I say Peter and Harry, because not once does Spider-Man fight Harry...only "good Peter" and then "dark Peter")but the Sandman sequences. The armoured car scene was as good as any action in the first two films. The crane rescue was good, the Subway fight, the climactic battles, all well done. There were little bits I liked. When Peter tells Aunt May Spider-man killed the Sandman last night - there's this split-second "Oh God what have you done" look on her face that tells us what Peter has never gotten, that she clearly knows his secret. So does Robbie. Peter pouring sand out of his boot and mask after his first fight with Sandy. And Topher Grace as Eddie Brock/Venom. Yes, underused, but not utterly thrown aside and grotesquely misinterpreted as Bane was in Batman and Robin. I really liked the character defining moment where he looks up into the eyes of the crucified Saviour and says "Dear Lord, please kill Peter Parker." I would have liked to have seen more Venom, more Sandman, less Harry and Mary Jane. Gwen and Capt. Stacy are barely in the film, and I must say it will be truly surreal for long time Spidey fans to see them alive at Harry's funeral. Harry's death is no surprise at all...when early in the film he says about Peter and Mary Jane "I would die for them" You know before the film ends he will - it's just that obvious. I don't get the Gwen is fat complaints, she looked ok to me. Better than she did in either of her M. Night Sanjayalan films (Yes, yes that was indeed a very cheap shot...I just couldn't help myself) Now to what troubles me most... Sam Raimi is an accomplished director. You may not like his style, fine that's a question of taste - but he's a proven commodity, and he's shot two very successful Spidey films already. So what the fuck happened? "He didn't like the Venom character" you say...from here it looks like he no longer likes the Peter Parker character! He's not so naive as to not realise that lines like "I'm afraid I'll get bad reviews", "...tends to make it look bloated", and "No! Spider-Man! No!" spoken by a little boy who covers his eyes in disgust as Spidey kisses Gwen, are loaded guns he's handing to his critics. He might as well have had a character look into the camera and say "What a Bomb!" or "Dear Lord this stinks!" This has all the earmarks of, well, deliberate sabotage. I don't know if Raimi is sick and tired of Spider-Man, or feels constrained after having directed nothing but for more than seven years now. I can understand it if he wants to move on...and maybe...he feels that he has to give Sony a reason to let him do so. Again, this could be absolutely wrong - and the film may do great box office anyways - But all it has to do is NOT do as well as the first two...and Sam can get out of Spider-Man 4,5,6,7,8,9 infinity and make some other kinds of movies...I may not like this, but I can understand it. Finally my dear sweet old mother probably wouldn't have liked this any better than I did.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Sandman the Marshmallow Man

    by CellarDweller

    Anyone provide a theory yet on how a being of finite matter and density can grow to the size of a skyscraper? Did anyone else have a problem with Peter letting Sandman walk (did he not MURDER another human being in cold blood?) I'm all for fogiveness but what kind of message is Spidey sending the kids by letting a murderer go free?

  • May 4, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Iron Man

    by CellarDweller

    Did Marvel miss the boat by not showing an Iron Man trailer before Spidey or what? If there's a superhero movie that could use some word-of-mouth to the non-geek crowd it's that one

  • May 4, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    Actually I was stoked to see this film. My friends and I got together hours before the film started and discussed how much we loved the previous ones. I wanted nothing more than to love this movie. I even read reviews and lowered my expectations after reading a couple reviews. I was hoping to see a decent film with some great moments. But thanks for the growed up lesson, I also come to you for advice anyway so...<br><br> So instead of peter continuing to try and explain himself he nearly kills Harry twice. Once intentionally? Makes alot more sense. Bad writing and very untrue to the characters.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    Funny stuff man. I for one missed the Alex Ross painting montage that preceded S2

  • May 4, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST


    by AlwaysThere

    I fully understand. Can't blame you since I do the same damn thing.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Gee Soylent

    by darthbinks1220

    My girlfriend's employee screening at 9pm Thursday had Pirates. Also, I'm not 3 6 Mafia. I'm LCSW PC. What meds you take? Mao inhibiters? Abilify, Paxil, Zoloft, or are you a 'zac head? Did you know there's a generic now for Zoloft? Means more $$ in your pocket. You can just me your friendly neighborhood, well you know.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    dude, its 7:41pm here so quit acting like a smartass. guess you're life is so full of excitement that you have nothing better to do but *GASP* post in a TB on friday night. some of us have kids to take care of and cant leave the house to get fucked up whenever we want. better luck next time. and yes, there WAS a POTC trailer...intersting. <P> yes i can see why people are being hard on the film, but it certainly isnt an "atrocity" as someone put it. Raimi finally had some fun with the character and i was glad to see that. look, if i didnt have an emotional investment in movies and comics i wouldnt post on this site as much as i do. i just want to know what you people who are saying this is a huge failure were expecting.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    if you have a problem with peter intentionally trying to kill harry then you arent as familiar with the character as you think. the symbiote always made peter more aggressive and he nearly killed people regularly while under its influences. <P> ps. its "grown up" not "growed up"..not unless you learned the english language by watching "Rugrats"

  • May 4, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    Dont use your kids as excuse for not having a life. Bad form. :)

  • May 4, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    This movie is going to drop...

    by rhcp2sweet

    After it's first week of release. Once word gets out that the movie was such a big disappointment the flick will do what the hulk did and have a monster drop in its second weekend. I found the movie mediocre, but a lot of people at my midnight screening were booing and many were very upset as they walked out. If only Raimi had just taken out Venom and had the movie be about Sandman and New Goblin.

  • May 4, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    either the drive thru line at Buger King is really long

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    or Harry just isnt posting a review at all. Mori, i suggest a mutiny. take this bitch over

  • May 4, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    I think we were expecting more from Raimi & Co. b/c they raised the bar for what movie of this genre could be. By merely throwing money at a script that is the equivalent of a house of cards he sank to the level of the Shumachers (sp?) of cinema. I wanted a coherent story with one villain and tasty dramatic moments that make the audience invested in the fate of the movie's characters. I also wanted CGI of a consistant qulaity, not spotty and half-baked at times. It's like the studio said, "good enough" when they saw this rough-treatment of a script and opened the vault that Doc Ock breaks into in the second movie and said, "help yourself Sam." Lazy. Weak. Sloppy. That's how I'll remember this "film."

  • May 4, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    haha youre such a fuck-head :P

  • May 4, 2007, 10 p.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    I know, but Sandman's accidental shooting of Uncle Ben is as sloppy as having him involved as a contrived, plot device to begin with. He bumps into him? C'mon. The real travesty is the whole mess with the butler. He's been holding onto this great insight for years and he could have saved Harry and everyone else a lot of heartache and grief. Lame.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Venom's Voice--- You prove my point, fanboys.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Look at all of you saying that the movie would have been better if Venom referred to himself as "We" and had a monster voice! You're basically admitting that the STORY of Venom is lame, weak, one-dimensional shit, and that Venom MUST have all the things that have to with IMAGE, not story, in order to be cool to you. You wanted a slobbery monster with a monster voice and a personality disorder, and you got the same character without the vocal effect and a better grasp of personal pronouns, and THAT is what broke it for you? <p> Could it be that Venom has NOTHING ELSE TO OFFER except his "We", his imagined monster voice, and his "evil version of Spider-Man" appearance? <p> Could it be that Raimi put what was on the page onto the screen, and you've seen what happens when you try to put a badly-written character into a three-dimensional world. The artwork was what made Venom interesting; His story was always, always, always shitty and shallow.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Spidey 2

    by CellarDweller

    is the Gold Standard by which all superhero movies should be made (are you listening FF2?) What is it with the third of a series almost always sucking?

  • May 4, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    Intentional to sound sophomoric…sigh. Grammar Police…the sign of a lost argument. I don’t remember Spiderman actually maliciously attempting to kill friends and family. I do remember him being more aggressive to a point where he starts to lose control…. A wee bit -o- difference there, ya think?

  • May 4, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    Best and most articulate argument yet for why Venom did not work! Venom as a comic character is simply one-dimensional (Thanks Todd McFarlane--he did create him right?)

  • May 4, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    Arguing over this one tidbit seems relatively pointless when there were so many things wrong with this movie. I will just use one word to dscribe some of them as I am lazy: Emo | Jazz Club | Sandpit | Omelette | Amnesia | Bernerd | Twist | Venoimplosion | Newspeople | Bitchslap | Teamup | Meteor | Hospital | Tears | Dialogue |

  • May 4, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    is lame, ive always thought that after sm2, there was no way raimi would screw up the 3rd one. i and many others knew he would not invole venom, or the symbiote, into any of his movies, but you know what? the execs won, avi won, and thats why we have this garbage that premiered today. i guess we'll never know how great the REAL sm3 would have been if raimi was left to do the story to his own satisfaction. venom is very 1 dimensional for the most part, even though he was mildy interesting in the TAS but that was only because they had a lot of screentime.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Do you fogey's really think

    by Phategod2

    That The Vulture is a more intersting character then Venom?

  • May 4, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Marvel = worn out there welcome???

    by Doctor_Sin

    So, what happened? Not enough interference? Too much? Not wanting another Ang Lee "bust" on their hands? Forsaking quality for quantity? What happened to their magic formula?

  • May 4, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    for the 1st since the

    by Phategod2

    15 minutes of SM1 after he was bit he actually enjoys being Spiderman.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    This one left me going..."meh"

    by JunoFallon

    It didn't flow anywhere near as smoothly as the 2nd one. There were a lot of wasted opportunites and a bit too much camp. The funny parts were funny, but they were overkill. The romatic bits were ok I suppose, but is it me or does Kearstin Dunst's Mary Jane become less and less likeable as these movies press on? Something that is TOTAL opinion is that part of the reason this one felt weird to ME, is that between the 2nd and 3rd movies, Batman came out and REALLY had an impact on how I look at super hero movies. It's tough to top and this one felt silly next to something like Batman.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Driving home from this Movie

    by gusradio

    All we could talk about is how much were looking forward to the next HULK film. This Spiderman film was corney. but The comic was too.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    raimi isn't very good

    by darwinwins

    he has what, Evil Dead 3 and Darkman. the spiderman movies have always sucked. i've seen the first two once each all the way through. they are bloated and emo -- two things i can't forgive. the prospect of a 3rd one being good never exised. suck it, fanboys.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    I'm confused

    by Phategod2

    After Spiderman 2 people wher saying the pete was too emo now he's too silly.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by antonphd

    I gotta say, there was some stupid excuses for pushing along the story, not enough time for the depth the characters deserved in an ideal movie. I think this movie should be 30 to 60 minutes longer. But having watched it a second time, I love it. I give it a B+/A- compared to the other two, but how do you really top the emotional peaks of Uncle Ben dieing and Mary Jane discovering Peter is Spiderman and that's why he's rejecting her. You can't. But I watched this again without the expectations and I really loved it. The action was awesome. The humor was original and funny as hell. The shit that Peter does is disturbing to normal people(the midnight show didn't give a shit, but the audience of regular people today were gasping when he hit Mary Jane). I think the themes are more mature than the last two movies and that the villians are given third place attention and that is why the climax doesn't seem so intense as the last two. Mostly because the last two villians were intelectually matched to Peter and this time they are a couple dumbasses. But that's those characters. I got into a fight with my wife today over the most retarded thing. We both said shit we wish we hadn't said. And we made up. And as we watched Aunt May tell Peter that he's a good person even though he hurt Mary Jane... my wife and I actually squeezed each other legs. Yeah, it's a little Soap Opera-ish, but you know what, most non-comic geeks relate to that, because that's life for you, a stupid Soap Opera of fucking up and making up and hopefully learning to fuck up less. For that, despite it's technical flaws that would earn this a C+, I give it a B+/A-. Just really wish it had 30 to 60 minutes to flesh out the rest and it would be the best of the series.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Gotta Disagree This Time - Thumbs Up

    by Roboteer

    I made some comments earlier based only on reviews. Maybe they lowered my expectations, I dunno. But I have to withdraw those now having just seen SM3. Mo is the best reviewer here and he nails the flaws with SM3, but I can't agree with the overall conclusion. Yes, too many shortcuts were made to move the plot along. There were too many characters. Too many issues. Then again, these were some of the same quibbles with maybe the best of this genre, X2. My advice, DEAL WITH IT. I'd rather have a filmmaker misstep trying to give us more instead of trying to shortchange us, cough , FF, cough. But that is what this is, a slight misstep. It doesn't 'fall apart' at all. I kept waiting for it to start sucking, and funny thing... it never did. These are the kind of objections you don't think about until you're trying to unwind after seeing it and fall asleep. During the flick you're too swept along with the action and drama to care. This is not a jarring departure from 1 & 2. If anything, there's maybe too much continuity and repetition. But this movie has a lot going for it, including McGuire's best performance. The thing I liked most was every character at some point acted like a total jackass. It made them more normal. And whoever wrote this totally understands women. When MJ gets fired and her dreams of stardom get squashed like a bug, of course its all about her and Pete doesn't matter. His advice is just frustrating because he ignores her feelings. This is SOOOO on target. And I guarantee there wasn't a woman in that audience that did not understand and sympathise. That most female passerbys cringed at Saturday Night Peter, also showed an enlightened feminine perspective.... Revenge wasn't the theme as much as forgiveness. Forgiveness for being human, for giving in for a moment to our most selfish desires. And the finale with Sandy was very affecting. Grace was teriffic, as was Howard. Even Dunst had her moments. Actually was a little disappointed with The Bruce scripting. His first minute or two as an insufferably effete French head waiter was classic, but then it went nowhere. The first fight with Harry was a little too fast to see what was happening. Seems sometimes a flaw with a lot of CGI, too much dizzying motion. The full house I saw it with applauded appreciatively at the end. All that said, this franchise does need a rest. This wasn't the one that fell on it's face, but the next might likely be. It needs a departure, a new direction. Give this Spidey world a rest and bring it back new and refreshed. Unfortunately, if this makes half the money they expect, no way is Sony gonna do the right thing. The best thing to happen would be for Dunst, McGuire, and Raimi to move on and force a change. Trust me, I can hold my own with the most cynical nitpicking asswipes out there, but this, if not Shakespeare, has high entertainment value, character, and heart. If it stumbles, its along the lines that the bar was just raised too high to exceed. And after seeing that height cleared twice, its just not as big a deal as it was. Hence the needed rest. Despite some flaws with construction, it sweeps you away and kicks ass. For those of you on the fence about whether to make the huge sacrifice of $6 -8 for a matinee, (and you know who you are), go cut some lawns, wash Mom's car, or hit her for an advance on next week's allowance, but you should see this. If nothing else, to agree with the quibblers. There's way too much crap made in Hollywood, but this isn't another example.

  • May 4, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    No more mediocre reviews, please!!!

    by tonagan

    They're boring. Either love it or hate it. Those are your only choices.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    If I was trying to impress you with my vocabulary, I'd damn well start with something more impressive than "ad hominem" and "aspiration". No, I'm pointing out that when you coat your opinion in bile, it makes others less likely to touch it. Yes, you had real criticism somewhere in your spew, but why make others wade through it to respond? Unless, of course, you don't *want* them to take the time to respond to your thoughts, unless the point is to annoy or berate them into acceptance of your viewpoint without challenging it. If that's your goal, good job. But, since I've pointed this out you seem to have, consciously or not, modified your behavior to a large degree, so good for you.<br><br><br>So, let's take a look at the problems you mention for the film...<br>1: 2 seconds with Sandman's family. So? Why would we need more than that? Their purpose is to establish context for him, they have no particular weight of plot resting on them. It's not Sandman's movie. <br> 2: 2 seconds with Gwen. Again, so? In the context of the movie, she serves her function. You only expect more because you know her story in the comics. But now they've effectively introduced her into the universe, and can use her more readily as the franchise moves on--as it inevitably will. <br>3: Peter in drag? Well, he did go all emo. But why is that such a problem? A slightly lame geeky kid like Peter trying to be badass would probably come off that way. <br>4: I have no problem believing Pete knows how to play the piano. He didn't play sports, and his aunt gives piano lessons. And he's freaking Spider-Man. <br><br> Annnnd, that's all you really mentioned. Anything else that ruined the movie for you?

  • May 4, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    cool movie

    by bamboogrove

    I don't know what everyone wanted from a movie called Spider-Man 3.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    So you're suggesting that we make sure whomever

    by superninja

    is the bad guy, they don't STAND OUT AT ALL, just to make sure we're PC and that we don't offend any subculture group? Riiiight. Kids are mean, if your kids are playing kicking other kids asses, that just means you have mean kids.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Zack Snyder for Spider-Man 4

    by topaz4206

    300 was a better superhero film than SM3. I wish more director names quickly came to mind, but that's how dry the talent pool is in this genre these days.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Review of the audience

    by Phategod2

    I pulled a 12:05er full of nerds they went completely Apeshit for the Harry Potter Trailer and FF2 trailer but I wonder if they thought it was Transformers at first. They all wanted MJ to die after she kissed Harry Chants of slut wispered through the crowd. evryone cracked up at "Saturday night Peter"THe only time they really cheered was when Venom Finally appeared. I messed the exit cause I to take a major Piss break.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    I thought the film was...okay.

    by Sledge Hammer

    But I was surprised at how many of the effects looked worse than Spider-Man 2, particularly during the first Goblin fight, which though it got raves from Moriarty above, I personally thought it looked cheap, greenscreened and unconvincing as hell. And worse, distractingly so. <p>The film also had way, way too many moments that just did not work, or that were needlessly, and poorly, drawn out. Oh, and how do you know that Parker has gone dark? He gets an emo haircut and a penchant for dancing...which resulted in a real "Fuck...Off..." level of cringeworthy embarrassment.<p>Also Mary Jane continues to be pretty much a complete and utter bitch much of the time in the way that she acts and choices she makes, making her a heavier and heavier burden to bear in each subsequent film. While it almost felt as though we got more shots of Parker crying than of Spidey fighting, or just plain doing his Spidey think, the latter of which was very lacking indeed. On top of that he still can't keep his mask on or untorn for more than ten seconds at a time it seems, and it always tears away in the same damn places. He might want to have that looked at when he gets a chance. <p>And are we ever going to get a film that doesn't end with the villian(s) kidnapping Mary Jane and holding her hostage? I mean for that to happen at the end of every single fucking film? Get a new ending next time, please. <p>And man, don't even get me started on the "wise old butler" who had barely been seen as anything beyond background furnature before this film and who was utterly unconvincing in his plot device "the things I've seen" role. I mean did anyone buy that scene? Then again maybe it wasn't Bill Paxton's daddy's fault as the lines he had to spew were far from being even remotely convincing anyway, though his delivery of them didn't help sell them any.<p>Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed the film overall, there was fun to be had, and all in all it was worth my time and money, but I think it's a very uneven and unfocussed film, and despite all that's going on it felt very slight and surface level to me. Not enough depth on the things and characters that needed more time and depth, too much time dragging out lengthy gags and ideas that didn't work too well, or were one note gags to begin with. I don't think the film is too long, I just don't think the focus is where it needs to be, and in fact, most of the time the focus seems to be in the exact opposite direction of where it should be at that particular given point. <p> Thankfully I wasn't expecting the second coming like so many fans seemed to be, so I still managed to have a mostly good time despite the films many flaws and general lack of focus, but all those folks who were expecting the best spidey/comic book movie ever, and who really bought into the hype these past many months, I can understand how disappointed some of those folks might have been. Then again, though I've enjoyed each Spidey film so far to various degrees I've yet to be blown away by any of them, and this is probably the weakest and definitely the most unfocussed of the three, so, yeah, take that as you will.<p>Personally, despite having had a pretty good time with the Spidey saga so far, I hope we get a new director for part 4, as Raimi seems to be pretty burnt out on the saga at this point, and I think new blood behind the camera would be the best thing for not just this series in general, but also for Raimi as a film maker himself. After all no one says he can't come back sometime down the line when his batteries are recharged and he doesn't seem so jaded by ol' webhead's exploits. Just make sure you get somebody good to replace him with in the meanwhile.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Fun to watch, but crammed in too much

    by fetuspotpie

    Other than subbing in the giant mongoloid gingerbread man from Shrek 2 in for Sandman in the climax, I think what was on screen was great. It was the missing hour of character development that made it flawed. They just tried to do to much with too little time. The black suit was a good choice in this film, but they should have left the symbiote loose as a lead-in for venom later. Overall, it was fun to watch, which is what I hoped for. I think it's time for some new blood behind the camera though. Sam has done well, but I would love to watch Alfonso Cuaron chase Spidey between buildings with some of the free-roaming camera shots he's so great with. The CGI design in the third Potter film was great, too. I almost forgot... I have to agree that the crusty butler and his mysterious expertise in forensics were completely uncalled for. Peter had explained everything to Harry already and having had him show up because he trusted Peter would have meant more.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man 3 was so bad....

    by Quake II

    ...that I saw several people get up and walk out. And this was on an airplane mid-flight! Bud dum dum!

  • May 4, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Sandman's birth...

    by PwnedByStallone

    is probably one of the best things I've ever seen in any movie. It was perfect. The rest of the movie, not so much. I' not a huge fan of this series but I just went to see this one and it's obvious that they tried to cram way too much in. Three villains, two love interests, three songs, three extraneous sequences that serve no purpose, and a partridge in a pear tree. Classic hollywood blunder. They think they need to up the ante for each film to fill the seats and to the suits that means more villians, more action, more sfx, more more more. What happened to telling a good story? That's what fills the seats. Sandman and Venom were woefully underdeveloped in this film and it was painful.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    S3 sucks hard!! Russ nails it in Chud: 4.5 out of 10

    by Wonderboys index.php?type=reviews&id=10114

  • May 4, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    dude i when i called you a fuckhead it was meant to be taken as a casual "bat on the back" kinda thing. there is no winner in this argument. thats why i stopped. anyways, what you thought of the film is ur opinion. oh well. anyways, no hard feelings.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST


    by PirateEmery

    9/10 because there were two folks that were stoned out of their MIND in front of us. For instance, the part where MJ is breaking up with Peter, one of them yelled "it's because you're sterile!" Sure, it doesn't SOUND funny, but when the entire theater laughs at that... it says something.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST

    where was this review for Pan's?

    by arrangedletters

    This is exactly the problem with Pan's Labyrinth. If you'd get your collective heads out of Del Toro's ass you'd see the same issues. Nothing in that movie is natural it is all crappy plot mechanics!

  • May 4, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST

    And the stoners...

    by PirateEmery

    ...kept singing the Porn Groove at any instance where it is amusing.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    To Anyone Who Is Sticking Up For This Movie...

    by damagedinc

    I thank you, because now i know what I sounded like sticking up X3, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, Matrix Reloaded, Terminator 3, and Once Upon a Time In Mexico. You've all given me an amazing insight into how stupid I sounded, because Spider-man 3 is officially a freakin train wreck.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST


    by AlwaysThere

    Couldn't have said it any better. I'm happy to be on the other side for once.

  • May 4, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    My Review...X-men 3 > Spiderman 3

    by MrFire

    I'm a big fan of movies, as anyone who knows me will attest to. I have a vast collection of movies that vary widely from comedies to musicals to musical comedies. The one thing common among all of these movies is that I can enjoy them; some in a very cynical fashion as I laugh my way through a terrible movie that is meant to be taken as a terrible movie, or genuine enjoyment of a well plotted thriller. I'm easy to please. It doesn't take much. Blow something up real good. Have a purty girl with half of her clothes on. Maybe blow up a half-naked girl real good. What does this have to do with Spiderman 3? Well, none of that happens. None of the stuff that makes for a good movie happens. In fact, when my wife, halfway through the movie says "Will they hurry up and blow something up?" that's a sign that your movie, which has been expected to deliver TNT, is not living up to those expectations. In fact, the words "Soap Opera" were mentioned explicitly. OH Spiderman, how you have fallen. I'm reminded of Airplane. The old comedy with Leslie Nielsen and a whole bunch of other people. They made a sequel to this movie, aptly named "Airplane 2". It is absolutely the worst movie I've ever made the mistake of purchasing. Why is that, you ask? The same jokes are repeated from the first movie, and then dragged through the street behind a cab, pissed on, shat on, and then skinned and worn to prom where it is promptly torn asunder by some pimply faced jackenape who hopes to knock up his cousin before his mom gets back from his uncles bedroom. STRUT STRUT Spiderman, STRUT. Wait, that's from Spiderman 2! But wait, this time he's strutting for a different reason. That makes it funny, laugh! I know what we haven't seen in a Spiderman yet, a dance number! Let's add that! And so they do, to uncomfortable laughter from the viewing audience. Mary Jane has to sing, poorly...twice. Because once wasn't enough. Honestly, I don't know who she's deepthroating, but he should try stuffing her a bit deeper so she can hit notes that my cat can't do when she's in heat. Let's add random Butler Dude, who shows up and explains plot points to characters through out the movie. Like an omnipotent Watcher, he appears like a puff of smoke to lend credence to the fact that somewhere, out there, the screenplay writer was snorting crack off some transsexuals ass crack while jotting this crappy plot down on the back of an AIDS pamphlet. *sigh* Is it too much to ask that a movie at least have the common decency to be decent? This movie was so bad, it actually brings down the previous 2 movies with it. And that, that makes me sad. And it makes me want to burn things. Like theaters. Filled with kids screaming and yelling and making lots of noise while Peter Parker cries for the 6th time in the movie. Yes, Peter Parker, this one is for you. Mr Sand Vagina Man himself. May your hoover bless your gonads with immediate relief.

  • May 5, 2007, midnight CST

    Best CG I have ever seen

    by Vansmack13

    Yes there were paccing issues with the story, but all you comic geeks have to hand it to them, Venom looked dam good. Way better than I ever thought they would do. The special effects were amazing and the movie is good, just not great I agree. Spider-man 2 was the best comic to film movie I have ever seen with Batman Begins a close second.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    They can get back on track...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Venom is dead. Good riddance to a lame character. Recast the whole lot of them, and continue from there. <p> Laura Prepon should be Mary Jane, and I'd buy Elijah Wood as Peter Parker. <p> Next villain should be Electro, with a little lame-villain help from The Shocker and The Trapster. The film should start out with these two losers robbing a bank. They're kicking cop ass until Spider-Man shows up. They give him a decent little fight, double-teaming him with glue and vibes, until finally Pete figures out they're using high-tech tools to make their powers work, and breaks those tools so that Paste Pot Pete and Herman are their normal drab, unpowered selves. They're arrested, and Parker takes part of the high-tech Shocker gear to his friend Doc Conners (who seems to be standing in for Reed Richards in the Spider-Man Movie universe). He asks Conners to look it up, find out where something like this could come from, and goes on his way. <p> Next scene: Maxwell Dillon is seen in his lowly job in an electric company. He's studying to be an electrical engineer, but he keeps hearing his mother's voice telling him he's not smart enough. "I'll show you!" he says to the phantom Mommy in his head, and continues to study for his exams while on the job, in the truck, at a site. <p> Meanwhile, Parker goes through his usual song-and-dance with Mary Jane, and they plan a wedding (finally). As Pete and MJ are busy picking out wedding rings, there's a crash and Peter sees The Shocker back on the streets, new vibe-suit and all, robbing the jewelry store. With a nod from MJ, Peter ducks out the back and returns in the front to face the Shocker, but this time when his wisecracks about how weak Shocker is rattle the guy, Shocker lets loose with a vibe blast that knocks Spidey on his ass; This guy has gotten an upgrade! The fight progressed into the streets, with Shocker knocking over buildings and power lines. Finally, Spidey clocks him a good one, and Shocker is once again caught. "Keep him locked up this time" says Spidey to the cops. <p> Now Peter's worried. How did Shocker get out of going to prison, and where did he get that new, more powerful outfit? He decides to start looking into it. With some leads from Doc Conners about the origin of the Shocker suit, Pete finds himself at a small technology company... One that's been out of business for five years. <p> Meanwhile, Trapster is in jail. We see the guard approach, and he says "Petruski! You've got a visitor." -- "A visitor? But who would visit me?" -- We see the outline/silhouette of a man approach the cell, and a voice says "I've got an offer for you. . ." <p> Back to Max Dillon, who has just been told that his studies are going to be cut short because Spider-Man and the Shocker's damage has called all Con-Ed guys into overtime, repairing downed wires and the like. He grumbles about it, but hesitantly gets on the job. As the scene fades we see his textbooks in the background... <p> Next scene is Dillon asleep in class at NYU. <p> Next scene is Dillon taking his exam. <p> Next scene is Dillon looking at the "F" on his final, and getting a defeated, downtrodden look on his face... Resigned to be a pole-climber... His mother's voice echos in his head "You're not smart enough Max! You were never smart enough!" - "No!" he says out loud, and stalks away from the classroom, leaving a confused professor behind him. <p> Back to Parker at the Daily Bugle, asking Betty or Robbie to let him dig up some details on this little technology company. He digs, and finds it was a subsidiary of some larger company, and just as he's about to find the name of the owner company, JJ Jameson storms in and asks "What the HELL is Parker doing? He's not a reporter! Get out there and give me pictures! I don't pay you to play with office equipment! Move!" -- Peter does as instructed, lest he lose his staff job. Besides, he's got to worry about...<p> The Wedding. Pete stands at the altar, MJ approaches, and the world looks wonderful. Suddenly, his Spider Sense tingles. "Oh no. No no no! Not now!" he says, but yes- NOW. A large sppplllaattt of glue-string hits MJ, and she finds herself being pulled away by-- THE TRAPSTER?!?! He flings her onto a truck, and then yells out "TELL SPIDER-MAN WE'LL LEAVE A MESSAGE WHERE TO FIND HER!" and then he laughs and zips away on a glue-string in one direction, while the truck heads off another direction. Peter goes to change, but all eyes are on him... He CAN'T be Spider-Man now, and even so-- His suit's not on under his tuxedo! He hesitates just a moment, and it's long enough for both to get away. <p> After the chaos, Pete's on the trail. Swinging around the city, looking for clues, and finally there's a message on the big screen in Times Square: "Spider-Man: She's at ground zero!" <p> Spidey rushes to Ground Zero... Where the towers once stood, and there, on a pillar of glue and metal, is Mary Jane in her wedding dress, held some 150 feet in the air. <p> Before he can get to her, though, he's hit by a huge glob of glue. It holds him, he fights out if it, and a small battle ensues. <p> Meanwhile, Max Dillon is a block away, up on a pole, fixing a power line. He looks up when he hears thunder. <p> Back to the fight, Spidey's kicking Trapster's ass, and then he's hit from behind by-- you guessed it!-- The Shocker! Again! "How do you keep not going to jail?!?!" Spidey asks. "We've got a mutual friend." says Shocker. Peter's had enough of this. He cuts loose, and really beats the two guys pretty well, until Shocker desperately fires a blast at MJ. Spidey acts fast, and uses a girder/beam/something to knock some of the glue pillar out, making MJ fall a few feet, but also making the shockwave shoot over her, missing her completely... <p> ...And it hits Max Dillon, on a pole. The modified shockwave makes Dillon jam his screwdriver/tool/whatever into the electrical panel, and JUST AT THAT MOMENT the skies rumble and a bolt of lightning shoots down, striking Dillon as he's already being rocked by the shockwave and electrocuted by the city's electrical supply. He screams, and is blasted off the pole, onto a nearby rooftop, where he lay, smoking and sparking, at the feet of another man who appears to have been watching the battle. "What have we here?" says the man as Dillon crackles with electricity. "A sign from God?" <p> Back at the fight, it's all over. Pete beats the baddies, rescues MJ, and she tells him "I'm getting REALLY sick of this!" He apologizes, jokes with her, and they rush back to their wedding... <p> On the rooftop, as we see Parker and Watson board a cab to go back to the wedding in the distance, Maxwell Dillon is sitting up. His hands are covered in electrical charge. Electricity arcs from his fingertips. His eyes spark and glow. He's a changed man. The person standing in front of him- still in shadow to the audience- says "Well, aren't you an interesting development?" -- "What the hell happened to me?" says Dillon. "Who did this?" -- "Why, Spider-Man, of course." says the stranger. Dillon remembers that Spider-Man caused him to have to work overtime, which caused him to fail his test. His mother's voice echos in his head "You're a loser, Max. You'll always be a loser!" and Max says "Spider-Man. . . It was Spider-Man's fault." --- "Gooood." says the shadowy stranger. "I think you and I should talk." <p> Pete and MJ are married. Joy, tears, la la la. All that good mushy stuff is in this part of the movie. I'll spare you details.<p> Next we see The Shocker and Trapster. They're out of prison again, with some bruises and black eyes and swollen lips. "Why did he want us to meet him here?" says Trapster. "I dunno" says Shocker, looking around at the crumbling technology-company building that Peter Parker had visited only a few days earlier. "Something about paying us with something new." -- "Good! I could use a new outfit. This one didn't do the trick." --- A voice comes from all around them suddenly: "No, Petruski, it wasn't the technology. It was the INCOMPETENTS WHO WERE USING IT!" -- A lightning bolt strikes both of them, and they fall and shudder in pain. Trapster recovers first, firing a glob of glue in the general direction of the electricity. It's vaporized by another blast. "I gave you one simple task, you cretins. KILL SPIDER-MAN. You couldn't do that One. Little. Thing." -- Another bolt of lightning strikes the ground in front of the duo, and they look up as the voice continues: "Now, however, I've found something better than you two. I'd like you to meet my new employee-- ELECTRO! Show them how we feel about failiure!" ZZZAAAAP!!! Trapster is toast. Shocker falls back and stands in awe as Max Dillon, in his new green-and-yellow costume, rides a lightning bolt down from the sky, through a hole in the roof. The man is crackling with energy, and Shocker wastes no time firing shockwaves at him. In the brief fight that follows, Electro utterly trounces Shocker, and finally, when both flunkies are defeated, the voice says "Dispose of them."-- Electro's eyes glow and crackle as we get close-up to his face, and then he strikes-- fade to black. <p> Next scene, Electro stands between the charred husks of Trapster and Shocker. The silhoutted stranger approaches, and says "Excellent. The costume is making it easier to control your powers?" -- "Yes. It's making it easier to channel the electricity, and aim it, and shape it. I don't NEED this, though. I can learn on my own." -- "We do not have time for that, Max. I need you out there NOW. The suit will guarantee that you strike true, and once that's done and Spider-Man is dead, you and I will take this city by storm!" <p> Cut to Peter and MJ. Being cutesy, talking about life and MJ's career and all that crap. Happy moment again. You know the drill. Pete's listening to the police band on his radio, and hears of an attack on cop cars and a movie set in Times Square. Someone is shooting electricity at the police!!! MJ nods, Pete throws on the costume, and he's on his way. <p> At the scene of the destruction we see Bruce Campbell as a special effects guy on the movie set. A director is saying "What the hell is this, Beck? I asked for a little rainstorm effect, not this!!!" -- "It isn't me, man! I didn't do it!" -- Electricity strikes the camera, and the cops on the other side start shooting into the air at Electro, who stands aloft on an electrical current. "I AM THE MASTER OF ELECTRICITY! I AM ELECTRO! WHERE IS SPIDER-MAN NOW?" -- "Whoa. That guy has issues. I'm out of here!" says Quentin Beck, before hopping in the only nearby truck and starting it up. The director yells at him "Beck, if you leave us here, you'll never work in movies again!" -- "I'll take my chances, chief!" Beck says, and steps on the gas... <p> Just then, Spider-Man shows up. I won't detail the fight, but it's long, cool, and eventually ends with Electro sending out an electrical wave that blows up every light, powerline, and outlet in a one-mile radius. When the dust clears, he's gone, but not before Pete notices that he's wearing a pretty high-tech suit, and it looks a little familiar. <p> Next, we see Spider-Man creeping on the ceiling of the run-down, abandoned technology company he tracked down earlier. He finds Trapster and Shocker, and knows he's on the right trail. "Who owned this place? Where does technology like that COME from? he says aloud while searching through some old files. --"From my company." says the voice of the stranger. Peter's eyes grow wide inside his mask. He turns to see... <p> Norman Osborn stands in front of him. Alive. He's not dressed as the Goblin, but it's unquestionably Norman. "You didn't think you'd beaten me that easily, did you Peter?" <p> "Osborn? You're dead! I saw it." says Spidey. "Yes, I was dead. Very dead. And you buried me. Funny thing about the formula I created, though- It's quite incredible, actually- You see: I got better." ZZZAPPPP! Spider-Man is struck by a bolt of electricity. Norman laughs as his employee, Electro, advances on Spider-Man. "I may not be up to full strength yet, Peter, but I am still as much a genius as I ever was, and if I can't finish you myself, I can at least make sure I'm the guy paying the bills and supplying the technology. And I get to watch. It's a good day for the Osborn family." <p> Fight scene. jump/zap/smash/zap/etc. <p> Spider-Man is getting beat. He's charred, sore, and not doing very well at all in this closed-off area. He's laying on the ground, just about done-for, and Norman walks up to him. "You're pathetic, Parker. Electro here has all the tools to make you a memory. I thought of siccing him on Mary Jane, but then I thought: Maybe I'll keep her for myself." <p> "NOOOO!" Peter yells, and leaps up, kicking Norman in the chest with both feet, narrowly missing being blasted apart by Electro. He fights back, renewed, punching and kicking Electro, and finally ripping the major components of Electro's costume off of him. Electro freaks. Electricity flies everywhere. Spidey dodges, Electro is screaming because he's out of control, and Osborn is suddenly struck by electricity and falls limp to the floor. Spider-Man grabs Osborn's still form, and leaps out the hole in the ceiling. <p> Inside, Electro is trying to "pull it in" but he can't. He's too exhausted, too inexperienced, and too powerful. Electricity crackles from every pore in his body, glowing, growing, until KRAKABOOOOM!!! He's gone in a white flash... But is he dead? Or has he just evolved into something else. . . Something worse? (Yes, he has. We'll see him in the next movie). <p> Pete lays Osborn down on the ground, and looks at him. It's him. It's really him. And he can't do anything about it. He can't kill him. He can't turn him over to police (Osborn was never implicated as the Goblin), and he can't make Osborn forget who he is... He takes off his mask, and just sits there looking at Norman as he lay unconscious. He buries his face in his hands. As police sirens approach, he knows he can't stick around. "It's not supposed to be this way..." he says, and then swings away just as spotlights shine on the spot where Norman lay. <p> After a pause, we see the front of the Daily Bugle in JJJ's hand. "NORMAN OSBORNE FOUND ALIVE!" says the headline. JJJ is talking about what a story it is, Norman faking his death to get out of the limelight, and tells Peter "Go to Osborn's place and see if you can get a photo of the man!" Pete looks dazed. "I'm not sure I can, Jonah. I have a honeymoon to get to..."<p> As the movie ends, we see Pete and MJ on their honeymoon on Coney Island. Pete says he's sorry, it's all he can afford right now, MJ says anywhere is great with you, blah blah blah. Love and kisses, and all that. They have a few laughs, and then walk through the door of their new apartment together to hear the phone ringing. Pete says "I'll get it." <p> The voice at the other end is too familiar. "Hello Peter. I just wanted to call to congratulate you on your marriage to MJ. I considered sending you a gift, but I think it would be better to keep you in suspense." --- "What do you want from me?" replies Peter. --- "We'll talk about that later. For now, I just want you to know that I'm out here. I'll always be out here." --- "Norman, please..." --- "Have a nice honeymoon, Peter Parker." CLICK. <p> MJ: "Who was that?" -- Pete: "Uhm, nobody. Just an old friend saying hello." -- "How nice of them!" -- "Yeah. Nice." <p> The movie fades out of Peter Parker's face, stunned and worried, and briefly fades into Norman Osborn's face, grinning, eyes wide, as he starts laughing maniacly; The Goblin mask in the background of his billionaire's mansion.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    I am Jack's Complete Ambivolence About Spiderman 3.

    by Darth_Potter

    The audience I saw it with at midnight reacted like this at the end. 2 people clapped, about 10 or so booed and the rest of us just kind of walked out without saying anything. I didn't hate it and I didn't see any reason to love it. This will make my DVD stacks only as a set completion coaster.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Whoa. That was long.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Sorry. Got on a roll. If you read it all, you deserve a cookie.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST



    I was definitely underwhelemed by this film... I can't believe the things that Raimi left in the script... THE BUTLER, THE BUTLER!!!! <p> Seriously, what was he thinking? This film's word of mouth won't be too nice...

  • May 5, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST

    To Hell with Carnage, I wanna see Mysterio...

    by Darth_Gonz

    ....oh, and also, I wanna see the "rape dollars" Spiderman comic comedy series put into the movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST


    by Lucasblows

    I'm personally shocked by the limited praise this film has recieved. It's aweful. The dialogue is a joke. When Mary Jane breaks Peter's heart on the bridge and cried, my whole theater laughed. Not exaggerating or making shit up. Hysterics. This was bad soap opera writing at it's worst. And Harry's butler. WTF!!!!!! I am appauled this was shat into a film cannister and presented as a movie. Must be a joke. Ha, ha, ha. Very funny Mr. Raimi. Now where's the real movie?

  • May 5, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    and one more thing...

    by Lucasblows


  • May 5, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Evil Peter should have nailed Ursula.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Really. Chocolate Cake and Cookie Girl needs a few extra pounds/ounces in her.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:30 a.m. CST

    I gotta say...

    by zb.brox guys must've all seen this movie with assholes. The theatre I was at, everyone clapped at the end. Though, I admit, several people did shout "slut" at MJ when she kissed Harry.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    I agree...

    by Lucasblows

    ...evil Peter should have wanted pussy. Forget Ursula, get some form Gwen!

  • May 5, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST


    by Lucasblows

    ...where was the Sandman and Venom duet? Mary Jane got to sing. Peter got to play the piano and dance. Mary Jane and Harry danced. Where the Hell was the villain duet? Come on Sam! WTF!

  • May 5, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST


    by Audets70

    Am I the only one that really liked this film? The only scene that angered me was the Venom/Sandman meeting and becoming partners in a matter of seconds. Besides that, loved everything. I dont get into the comics, so maybe that is the key. I personally think too many people wanna bitch about something. EVeryone was drooling over those lame ass Hobbit films for the same damn reasons they are hating on Spidey 3. WTF?

  • May 5, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Should'a seen: Evil Pete in bed with Ursula AND Gwen

    by ZeroCorpse

    He was being bad and indulgent. He should have had a threesome with the other two significant female in the film.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST


    by arisethedemonetrigan

    Moriarty is mostly right. I did enjoy it though, as a popcorn movie only. Also, when Mary Jane kisses Harry, all of a sudden in the 34th street theatre in NYC, one guy screams out, "Oh, you a ho!" Sad, but that's the extent of the character there. Comedy was a bit too much, but I did laugh at it. Especially the whole thing with Ursula and the cookies. Eh, I'll see it again in hopes number 4 has more goodness. As long as it doesn't feature Shocker.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    "Lame ass Hobbit films" WTF are you serious?! If the LOTR films aren't already classics just wait 20 years and see if people are still watching Return of the King or Spider-Man 3. That's a no-brainer pal. The quickie Venom/Sandman team-up was the tip of the iceberg that angered me and apparently many others. Sure there are many contrived elements in the comics, but what works in one medium doesn't always translate to another (see: Venom!) Any director that would touch Carnage as a villain is signing a one-way contract to directing a low-budget movie of the week on the Sci-Fi channel as his next gig. Come on, Vulcher, Lizard, Electro, even Mysterio (minus the fishbowl) are worthy next villains (not all of them in the same movie mind you!)

  • May 5, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Just came back from the flick!

    by Freefinger

    Ok, I must admit this wasn't the best one of the 3. BUT, it was still pretty good.<P>First off, Massy's review of the dance scene, he said it reminded him of something like thinking of his mother while doing it. a) I'm guessing that this was with his cousin, and b) he doesn't know what he's talking about.<P>While the scene was a little out of place, it did not destroy the movie at all. It just showed how cocky he became with the symbiote on him.<P>Massy, go take a pill...<P>As for the rest of the movie. I still liked it.<P>Negatives: Gwen, sorry but Howard is blonde in this one, and acts like it, with those big blue eyes that scream out "Nobody's Home", I'm guessing Raimi had a debt to pay up with her daddy Ron. And the character was totally neutral, I mean that you could've put anyone and change the name to Vanessa in her place, and it would've done the same thing. The you have the way the costume land on earth and right next to Peter. I Don't remember who said it on this site, but it's true they should've made that Venom seek out Spiderman instead of landing besides him. <P>Positives: The Sandman. I tip my hat to him, great job. Being a father myself, I can only imagine what I would do for my kids. Thumbs way up for Church who played this one to perfection. Brock, Topher was actually good in this role. He played it out very good.<P>The rest of the stuff was all counter balances, there are few instances that I was bored and did not care for what they were doing to the story, yet on the other hand you get great action sequences and great character play between Peter and Harry.<p>The Venom in action, I could've lived without, should've done the fourth movie with Lizard and get Brock in snidbits here and there building us up the character while the symbiote is affecting him, then 5th movie get full blown Venom, but yet you still want to see him, because they got the big Spider right on Venom. And there was the lack of Character development yet most of them, we already met. Putting in the Landlords girl in there to not do much was still good, I mean he lives there, so i'm guessing he'll cross her at one point. That's what they did here, show us a little more of who was there previously, and who's still around. I liked that.<P>Ok. well, time for bed. Chow for now!

  • May 5, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    Oh yeah, and I'll throw in another vote for an on-screen orgy with MJ Gwen, Twiggy, and Betty as a major missed opportunity. Instead we got an orgy of man-love via the weeping, boy band villain showdown. WTF?!

  • May 5, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    havnt you learned by now that Massa is the worst reviewer on the site? im convinced he just some dumbass who stole admin passwords and just posts shit on the site. his stuff always seems like its coming from somewhere its always fucking wrong. glad someone besides me enjoyed the movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST


    by PirateEmery

    Our theater in San Jose (extreme opposite side of the country, no?) was host to all walks of life. The folks in front of us were obviously high, and were shouting obscenities and commenting the whole movie. Granted, it was hysterical. They yelled "you a fuckin' ho" at the very same part, as well as singing out the Porn Groove when Peter approached MJ on the bridge. They also yelled out "Peter's sterile" when MJ was breaking up with him. They also, quite loudly, said they'd bang every girl that entered the screen. Yes, it is quite evident that those in the theater make this movie HYSTERICAL.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:08 a.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    As I watched most of the CGI, I kept looking for my joystick b/c I thought I was playing my old, Atari 2600. Those were Daredevil vs. Bullseye-bad FX!

  • May 5, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Movie felt like a 6-issue comic story arc

    by George Newman

    That was a lot of material crammed into one package. I liked it, but I didn't leave the theater with that Spectacular sensation that SM2 gave me. Gwen Stacy was totally wasted.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    SM3 Should've Focused on Venom or Sandman Not Both

    by Playhouse

    Doesn't anyone learn a lesson from the whole fighting on two fronts thing. Your power and effectiveness becomes diminished and diluted. Such is the case with Spider-Man 3. I loved the idea of the struggle within for Peter over his good and dark side. The film should've focused entirely on that with Harry an obvious reflection of that struggle as well. I liked the Sandman character and thought he would've done well in a film dedicated to him as the only villain. Here his entire story is truncated and he becomes sort of impotent, even after they spent time setting up what a decent backstory for him. (Granted not a lot of time, but they made an effort.) Still, the film should have easily decided on one main villain with Harry as the backup story. There's this fear in comic book films that you'll never get a chance to make another film so let's cram the film with everything we've got, much to the detriment of it and the franchise. I'm especially disappointed in that philosophy in this film because the filmmakers and the studios know that they have a pretty good chance of making a fourth film and have pretty much announced their intention to do so. Going into it, they should have decided that they could stand to lose one of the villains and include him in a follow-up film. At the very least, they should not have included Venom in this film. This film should've focused more on the inner struggle of Peter as reflected in the black outfit and focused on Sandman as the main villain. You set Eddie Brock up as Peter's rival (something which was actually already begun in SM1 despite them insisting that Eddie had just started at the Bugle - go back and listen to Robbie during one of the JJJ scenes from the first film). You continue the struggle with the suit up until the beginning of the third act or even into the third act. And you set up a showdown with Sandman. We see the symbiote take over Brock and set him up as main villain for the fourth film. Not only can you tie up plot threads from the first three films but you set up the next series. That or you do the reverse. Feature the struggle with the black suit and Brock as Venom in this film, introducing the whole Gwen Stacy storyline, including her father who just happens to reveal at the end that who they thought was Ben Parker's killer wasn't the wrestling match robber but a man named Flint Marko... Once again, you tie up threads from the first three films - including the Harry storyline - and you open the series up into a new narrative that still has ties to the series. Here's to hoping they realize they can go with one villain and create just as strong a film or better the next time out.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Norman Osbourne

    by CellarDweller

    Another nit-pick: Why is it that Harry's dead dad keeps aging? I know, stupid question, but Raimi could have pre-planned those scenes and shot them all when he did Spider-Man 1. On an unrelated note, I feel bad for the actor playing Dr. Connors. Did Raimi go back on a promise to put him in S3 as the Lizard? If he's not in S4, that actor is gonna walk! The next movie should be the Lizard and if it's absolutely necessary to have two villains, then Vulture as well.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    I just got done seeing it

    by tjrmusic

    I just got done seeing Spiderman 3.....and sadly I found it a bit dissapointing. The last two films where great at suspending my sense of disbelief and keeping me in the story. In this film there where too many scenes that went "nudge, nudge, wink, wink....look aren't we being cute in front of the camera"? I was taken right out of the movie. Given Sam Raimi's reputation as director I almost got the feeling that the studio felt the film was to dark and insisted that more humorous (and unneccesary) scenes be added. One scene that really bugged me was one where Peter Parker can suddenly play the piano. While it's possible that his character may have had some lessons earlier in his life it seems unlikely that he could have played with the level of virtuosity that he demonstrated in this scene. We are talking a level of playing ability that a musicians spends a good portion of their lifetime attaining. If his character could have played piano this well, his life would have taken a different direction. It reminded me of those corny old movies (the ones that are not deliberate musicals) where the star sings a song and suddenly there is an entire ochestral arrangement backing them up, even though there is no orchestra anywhere in sight. The film trys to have a message about revenge and forgiveness which is admirable but it never really comes though effectively. There are a lot of great scenes in it, and it feels like there is a really great movie just screaming to get out, but in the end we are left with just an "ok" movie. I was happy to own the first two, but I don't think I will bother owning this one. Maybe there will be a better "Directors cut" version and this film will be redeemed.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    What a surprise, Scott Holleran liked it...

    by Forestal

  • May 5, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    If you hate this movie you are simply spoiled

    by antonphd

    this movie is not up to the greatness of the last 2, but it is not bad in any sense of the word. just because a movie doesn't fuck you six ways from sunday doesn't mean it's a bad movie. it's 'ok' for something to be a really good movie with flaws. i stand by the fact that this movie only really suffers from it's time limit and how many characters it was required to have. let's be logical here... you can never have a real venom spiderman movie or you get Batman Returns, which we all love but parents hated and that is just not going to happen. but kids want venom and the suits demanded it from Raimi 'make a family friendly venom'. what else do we expect. personally, i'd have loved to just seen this movie be about Peter and Harry. sandman was great, but he's always been a B villian. if it was going to be 2 villians, it should have been Lizard and Harry. but even there... how do you do a family friendly Lizard? It's clear now that the reason for the lame helmet/mask for the Goblin was due to the fact that Goblin would have been too scarey for little kids and there goes the family audience right there. i feel bad that Raimi got pushed into a corner on this movie. but i love what he did when he was clearly doing what he loved. the rest... best you can do with shitty demands from suits. and that's not an apology, that's the truth. welcome to corporate run hollywood. don't shit on one of the good guys. that's the first way to convince the suits that they can dismiss good visionary directors altogether. don't think they won't. cause they do already.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    I need a hug

    by T 1000 xp professional

    I just watched Filet Mingon had a cockaroach on top.......thats how i describe this movie..........i'll think of something better tomorrow..... i need sleep

  • May 5, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST


    by antonphd

    Oh, i hate that fuckhead. He liked this because he's just gotta fuck with everyone. Not because he actually liked it. what a tool. thanks alot Scott, for making the rest of of who liked this movie look bad ya douche.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Spider-Man 3.1!

    by CellarDweller

    Let's see the real version of the film. You know, the one that didn't suck balls. Finally someone agrees with me about Peter's piano playing abilities being far fetched. He wouldn't be taking pictures of himself for $300.00 p/pic and driving a moped if he could play the piano like that. That WAS a nudge, nudge, wink, wink moment amoung many. I see movies to get lost in the fantasy of that world not get yanked out of it by bits that don't jive with the rest of the movies tone. I thought I was seeing a Rush Hour movie at times. Plus, seems like someone making the film had seen the musical Chicago one too many times. Go watch Dancing With The Stars or American Idol if you need your lame song and dance fix. Don't force it on the rest of us. Bastards...

  • May 5, 2007, 1:34 a.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    Anton, what's your phd in corporate brainwashing? We're spoiled b/c we expect a bit more for 300 million bucks?! So we should lower our expectations b/c at one point in their career a director had the integrity and creativity to come up with a fantastic script that gave all of the elements in the film room to breathe and for us to become invested in the characters. Did you really care about what happened to Sandman, Venom, Gwen, or any of the main characters for that matter. With all the effective build-up of Harry's arc in the first two movies, his demise should have been a far greater pay-off. Instead it was a blink-and-you'll-miss it moment b/c we had to get back to watching more horribly cheesy Venom effects. Lame.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Spider-man 3.1

    by PirateEmery

    Spidey 2.1 added 8 minutes of wonderful scenes. Spidey 3.1 subtracts an hour of 'dance numbers/shitty dialogue/Peter crying like he's allergic to something' and includes a half hour of Venom. Oh, and Sandman's daughter dies. If you WANT to go back in time and murder a superhero's uncle, you have to deal with the consequences of changing the space-time continuum.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Sandman murdering Uncle Ben:

    by PirateEmery

    "So, uh, Spiderman. I killed your Uncle, but in a totally accidental way that makes your reason to become a superhero appear lame." Way to kill the two previous movies, Raimi.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Raimi IS to blame...mostly

    by CellarDweller

    It's the director's creative vision. Sure he probably caved into using Venom b/c of Arad, but Venom is one piece of one really f*cked up puzzle. Nearly everything that was wrong with the movie had Raimi's signature style all over it. He made a lot of bad judgements for some reason: too much money to play with, cockiness, laziness, who knows. Some of the bits would be fine in another movie or if the rest of the movie's tone matched, there were just too many contradictory and contrived elements to get characters to go from point A to point B with as little effort and ingenuity as possible. Sloppy Sam, really sloppy.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Good points about Uncle Ben

    by CellarDweller

    Sandman as an accidental murderer is beyond contrived it's just plain lame. It's an after-thought after a bong hit with the Raimi brothers, "let's just have Sandman be the real killer, but he gets bumped in the back and the gun goes off." That's genius screen writing? And yes, it does diminish and invalidate Peter's reasons for becoming Spider-Man. The guy needs his guilt. That IS the character. If it was Joel Schumacher making this film we couldn't be as harsh on him, but Raimi KNOWS this character like the back of his gland. He's an uber-Spidey-Geek. No excuses Sammy!

  • May 5, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Don't be shy, bring on the bile

    by CellarDweller

    Cough it up friends, you'll feel better. I'd rather watch the MTV Spider-Man, animated show then watch the second half of Spider-Man 3 again. Friggin' parade balloon Venom and Sandman...

  • May 5, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST


    by PirateEmery

    Man, I actually want to see Spidemo again... I don't think we realized to the extent of how much of an ASS he was acting like walking down the street. We were too "caught up in the moment" of the movie, to realize how IDIOTIC that bit of script was.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Sing it PirateEmery

    by CellarDweller

    Actually, don't sing. I've had enough song and dance numbers for one day...

  • May 5, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Trying to understand?

    by Wcwlkr

    I'm trying to understand where all the hate is coming from? To compare this to complete pieces of crap like X3 and Batman & Robin to me you lose all credibility. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Mori like that SHIT that was X3. Spiderman 3 was great, with all that Sam Raimi was asked to put into the movie I thought he pulled it off. Venom was awesome I would've like more of him but it was great. The dance had it's place it was hilarious, and I think people forget THIS IS A COMIC BOOK MOVIE! It's not Shakesphere. Sometime's I think we take comics way to serious, yes mostly kids who grew up with them still read them. But my God it's fantasy. If I wanted to see something serious I'd watch the news!

  • May 5, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    Is your dance card full Pirate? I think it's just you and I on this Talkback. In that case, nighty nite. Sleep well geeks. Don't let the Spidey bug bite. Too late, it already did BITE!

  • May 5, 2007, 2:12 a.m. CST


    by Spaxxinator

    So we all know that Venom was "defeated" by Spider-man, but if you remember, Dr. Connors still has that sample of the symbiote... so it could easily be brought back in the fourth movie, if wanted.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:13 a.m. CST

    some gripes


    what a pile of shit. venom talking to sandman with that stupid slightly lower voice may be the most retarded thing i've ever seen in a movie theater. I gotta give it to new projectors, it was only a few years ago my theater had shitty shaking color washed out prints. this was so clear i could see that the red head needs to shave her arms, cody from step by step needs to shave his forehead and spiderman needs to shave his ears. the cgi blows ass. there really isn't any progression in the sandman. he's a dude with shitty luck and the parker family just keeps getting in his fucking way when hes trying to steal money for his daughter. he never really gets angry at spiderman. then suddenly he's king kong trying to murder spider man, then he's not. what the hell. oh and how the fuck does an explosion kill the venom dark matter? it came to earth on a red hot commit. it obviously can survive extreme heat, so why does the splosion kill it? why doesn't spiderman take harry to the hospital when he's dieing at the end? oh and there's a fucking dance sequence that spiderman does. what the fuck?

  • May 5, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    One last comment before bedtime

    by CellarDweller

    Wcwlkr. Sure it's a comic book movie, but that doesn't mean anything goes. The reason the first two movies were so great is that as fantastical as the characters/situations were, Raimi took great pains to ground them in reality as much as possible so that the audience would believe that these characters could exist in our world. He pulled of this difficult feat with flying colors. Then he blows it with S3. Granted a guy made of sand and a lump of tar with teeth are even more out there, but if he had only used the black Spidey suit and shown its effects on Peter and skipped Venom the movie would have been better and more believable. Also, if Sandman wasn't able to turn into the giant gingerbread man from Shrek 2, that character would have been believable in the context of a comic book movie. Personally I think there should be a 2 villain limit on all superhero movies. The movie would have been so much better with either Sandman OR Venom--not both.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Good Point

    by Wcwlkr

    Cellar Dweller you make a good point. But it's a movie the whole concept is outside the realm of reality. 1 & 2 were far outside the realm of reality. The whole thing it's based on is not real. If he had just done Harry and Sandman and had Peter in the black suit people would still be on here bitching about Why was there no Venom? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion I thought it was great. Please do not compare this to the complete piles of Elephant crap that was X3 and Batman & Robin.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Boo Hoo....

    by Jag8481

    You people are retarded. Whatever happened to going to a movie and just enjoying it for what it is? It isn't as bad as you are making it. Oh, and the dance number was there for a reason, regardless of how far fetched it is (by the way, the theater I was in loved that entire sequence). So keep complaining, pretend you won't see it 2 or 3 more times, and do the same thing to Pirates 3, FF2, Transformers and the many other blockbuster movies that will kick ass this summer (regardless of how well the 'talkbackers' at AICN thought it was).

  • May 5, 2007, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Dr. Connors is a physicist, not a biologist?

    by SilentP

    Wouldn't he have to be a biologist to come up with that way of regrowing his arm using lizard dna or whatever?

  • May 5, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Also, Sandman killing Uncle Ben is lame and silly, BUT

    by SilentP

    it wouldn't affect the guilt Peter feels over Uncle Ben's loss at all, what are you guys talking about? The fact still remains that if Peter hadn't let that guy go, his Uncle would be alive. The lesson learned there would still be meaningful to Peter.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Dunst is a terrible actor...

    by Spice-Orange

    but don't give her all the credit. Tobey sucks just as bad, and even Franco had some HUGE groaners... AWFUL acting all around. They need to scrap the cast and start fresh. with ACTORS. New director too. Sam's not bad, just obviously burnt out. I'm afraid that if we continue down this road, we'll get into BATMAN AND ROBIN territory, then we'll have to get Nolan to reboot the franchise 10 years later. Venom is still in Conner's Lab, duh. and Octo is still alive too. we need a fresh new story. no more BIG STORY ARCS! they are shit, and we don't want to see people cry all the time. there's more emotions to be played on than wimpy tears. PS:the singing was bad. EMO parker was awful. EVERYONE was laughing AT the movie. it was shitty and horrifying.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:13 a.m. CST

    this movie had Avi Arad slimey hands all over it

    by Jon E Cin

    I dont blame Raimi. He obviously made 1 and 2 amazing films. Arad obviously pressured Raimi to put in Venom when he wasnt needed. I dont know why people praise Arad, he seems to just be another hollywood douchebag.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    wasnt "Doc Ock Still At Large" an old headline?

    by Boomers_Lips

    it seemed like it to me. from when he was still terrorizing NYC in SpiderMan 2. like when someone is so proud of their work they frame it so everyone can see even if its old.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    why did Sandman cry so much?

    by Boomers_Lips

    even when he wasnt crying, his face looked like he was going to.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    let me count....

    by christpunchers2007

    ....the big coincidences in this movie: 1)a meteor that lands right next to parker, AND contains an alien symbiote in it, how convient 2)spidey saves gwen, who just happens to be his classmate, who just happens to be related to brock (they used to date?) 3)gwen just happens to be spokesperson for spiderman day 4)sandman is now somehow the killer, he gets bumped by the original crook? so ben parker's death is nothing more than a simple accident? Come on guys, sure peter could have saved ben if he stopped the robbery but the way they just needed to tie in sandman to parker is another BIG LAME COINCIDENCE that didnt need to happen if they werent so lazy with the script 5)marko somehow finds himself in a lab that turns him into the sandman...... right, im sure a place like that would have no security at all 6)peter takes off the blacksuit just as brock goes into the same church.... 7)am i missing anything else? i dont want to even dive into the other parts of the movie that werent mere coincidences but made it a really bad flick. Maybe the execs and sam were taken over by their own symbiotes, you know, making them pick bad choices over and over again.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST

    And the butler! That was super-lame!

    by Wonderboys

    Even the Stan Lee cameo sucked!

  • May 5, 2007, 4:34 a.m. CST

    I think this review is totally on the money

    by Reelheed

    However I did feel that the action scenes were amazing enough to forgive a lot of the other issues. The worst part of the film by far is the venom & sandman scene described here. I really dont know how they could've done it worse. It felt as stupid as every schumacher batman. But other than that I can let the rest of the character problems go.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    just rewatched spidey 2

    by christpunchers2007

    while its not perfect, overall i left the theater after sm2, i still remember leaving the theater feeling really happy and amazed..... (dont diss the dunst running through the park in a wedding dress, sam managed to capture a really good ending) cant say the same at all with 3

  • May 5, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    6 Years Of Screaming "I want my Venom!!!"

    by Mako

    The best part of all of this is reading all the peope who are upset about the way Venom was portrayed in SM3. Well I never cared for the character before this movie, and it's obvious he was thrown in for the fanboys who were kicking and screaming like 2 year olds for the baddie. Wait... this pretty sounds like most of the people complaining about Venom in the movie here!! LOL Now I undertstand why Raimi didn't want to put him in. Put VENOM on that high of a pedestal... and you are bound to be disappointed.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:54 a.m. CST

    dont forget the scene where MJ kissed Harry!

    by Boomers_Lips

    the audience i was with gasped when that happened. you think someone had just shot their dog or something. i even heard one lady say "you little bitch."

  • May 5, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Sandman killed Uncle Ben = Joker killed Thomas Wayne

    by Napoleon Park

    And Harvey Toothpaste helped. *** I don't care that much about Gopher Face as V-Man and Thomas Hatin' Panettierre as Morpheous or Jewel's missing tooth as Mary Jane. I've seen a bunch of reviews but none of them address the real important question: how much screen time does Mageina Tovah have in this one? *** I've seen some commercials for this. When is it going to be on TBS so I can tape it without watching it and then copy it over and edit out all the commercials and the dance sequences?

  • May 5, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    were we supposed to like Peter's neighbors?

    by Boomers_Lips

    cause i sure didnt.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    so it's that easy to get into a particle nuclear lab?

    by Boomers_Lips

    damn. they protect/defend their lab with a fence?

  • May 5, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    To paraphrase Comic Book Guy...

    by Shawn F.

    That was the worst Spider-Man ever! I will only see it three more!

  • May 5, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Harry has been

    by emeraldboy

    knobbled. This means that Sony got to harry...... The next time you read a Harry review of Sony movie expect him to say only good things about it. HIs review for Spidey three must have been bad.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    anyone find it ironic?

    by christpunchers2007

    that mj gets bad reviews, then peter says "yeah this is something you'll just need to get used to"..... says so much for this film.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    I have a different opinion.....

    by Sparhawk38

    Ok..... I really liked Alfred Molina as Doc Ock...but I thought 2 was weak. Good action...trite, cliche dialogue. The fake science really was jarring...too cartoony. Why is their electricity going to that old pier? How did the river stop the self sustaining nuclear reaction? Why is MJ so heartless as to string spaceboy along and then dump him at her wedding? What did he do to her? The whole scene with Aunt May finding out Peter let Uncle Ben's killer go and then moving without telling Peter and then forgiving him in an awkward way... So many wierd moments, so little coherence. AND..I still liked it. After repeated viewings...I like it less, however. 3, however, did it for me. Thanks in part, maybe, to lowered expectations. I didn't love the Sat. Night Fever bit..but it isn't any more bizzare than Dock Ock not knowing that Peter is spiderman, yet throughing a car at him while he sits with his girl in a caffe. Wasn't he supposed to get Peter to tell him where Spiderman was? If Peter hadn't been Spiderman...gone something like this.... "THrown car smashes and kills Peter Parker and girlfrined..Dock Ock screams..."PARKER.....WHERE IS SIDERMAN!!!! Uh...Parker?.......DAMMIT!!!" I thought 3 had better acting(dialogue)...more emotion. I love the redemption of Harry. I love the forgiveness moment with Sandman. The fights are the best ever. The first Harry Peter fight is unreal. I think JAmes Franco's given a lot to do in this film and he is fantastic. I like Dunst a lot...but didn't really dig her character until this one. Tobey isn't just going through the moves to me...I thought he gave it his all the whole time. I totally bought grunge tobey(except for the Sat. night Fever bit). Topher was great with what I think is the dumbest villain of all time...the simplistic...sucktastic.."Venom". ooooo venom...he is sooo scarey. Whatever. It was an interesting way to get out of the completely screwed up black costume era of the comic. Give me Kraven, the Vulture, Electro, Molten Man, the Shocker...(ok...maybe not the shocker)...ANY DAY! one is ever really dead in the comics...even Harry. If we can turn a black shitty costume into symbiote villian with over active slivary glands and genetically related to Gene Simmons..we can get Harry back somehow. Bruce Campbell rocks. 'nuff said

  • May 5, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Bad Peter/Music scene was hilarious!!

    by jojo-pimp

    Everyone was dying in the movie theatre, laughing their asses off. i totally disagree that it screwed up the pacing or didnt belong. Its Spiderman..its supposed to be fun dammit!!!!!

  • May 5, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    When Peter and Gwen sit down in the Jazz club...

    by Onomaki Forp

    The guy sitting behind them looks amazingly like Willem Dafoe...It's not, but the resemblance is so striking it throws you even further out of the movie...Not paying attention to what's in the camera frame...that an extra has a distracting appearance...just a small symptom of the larger sloppiness that pervades this whole picture...

  • May 5, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    everyone in my audience loved the Bruce Campbell bit!

    by Boomers_Lips

    more than any other part of the movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    why was Willem DaFoe at the jazz club?

    by Boomers_Lips

    was he just visiting that day or what?

  • May 5, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST

    For what it's worth, I loved it

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Yes, it has a few problems (mostly the too-short scenes that made it feel like an extended TV episode), but there was so much that made up for that. The comic book action sequences were phenomenal - particularly the crane scene and the final fight. Also, Bruce Campbell had the entire cinema in stitches. Finally, I fucking loved the 'Peter Parker is an asshole' scenes, and it seemed like everyone else did, too. The strutting, the pointing, the dancing - turns out, Tobey Maguire is a comic genius.<p>Anyway, although I agree with many of the criticisms, I think people are taking them too far. It's a very enjoyable film, and the long running time whipped by without my ass complaining.<p>Man, I feel like a plant or something.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    You mean...that really *was* Dafoe!?!...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...Holy fuck!!! if that's the case... it's beyond sloppiness...sabotage! sabotage!

  • May 5, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Re:The Real MiraJeff

    by xavier masterson

    "There were a few jump scare moments that really got me, so I guess Raimi learned something from his days of producing Grudge movies."---Or maybe he learned something when he did those little films called Evil Dead and Evil Dead II?

  • May 5, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    i found it hard to sympathize with MJ.

    by Boomers_Lips

    and the fact that Kirsten Dunst was miscast as MJ.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    i jumped when Harry grabbed MJ in her apartment!

    by Boomers_Lips

    that was the only movie where i jumped out of my seat. i felt silly afterwards.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    wow...still no Harry review

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    thats it...sign this site over to Mori amd Quint. Harry is too busy living with his make-believe fiance and setting up his internet to do is job.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    the biggedt jump moment i got...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...was when Betty Brant was trying to induce a heart attack in J.J.J., really if she's concerned with his blood pressure...should that buzzer be so loud it shakes the whole fucking table?

  • May 5, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    I meant biggest...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...Bietty's buzzer shook my keyboard whilst i typed...

  • May 5, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST

    American Flag Scene...

    by Judge Briggs

    Anyone else laugh out loud when Spidey landed in front of the American flag to an applauding crowd? GO SPIDEY! GET THOSE FREEDOM HATERS!

  • May 5, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 2 DOES NOT suck

    by Dr Gregory House

    I am also quite confident, Spiderman 3 does not suck. Four Weddings and a Funeral, Shall We Dance, Silent Hill, Pretty Woman, Fried Greeen Tomatoes....these movies SUCK!!!

  • May 5, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Sandman's killing Uncle Ben...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...Ever since Empire Strikes Back, one of the biggest cliches in Hollywood has been the Villain creates the Hero... Anybody remember the painfully embarrasing dialogue in Conan where Thulsa Doom (played by James Earl Jones for Chrissakes!!!) tell's Arnold " Father) ugh. What has come about is a lazy and plagiaristic "tradition" in superhero movies to have the villain be responsible for the hero becoming the hero. It was almost original when the Joker turned out to be the guy who shot Thomas and Martha Wayne. It was tired and easy when Kingpin turned out to be the guy that killed Battlin' Murdock. It was painfully embarassing when it turned out to be Victor von Doom who caused the spaceship accident. Harry ranted about this rather vehemently a few years back, I don't remember his exact words... but I think they were something like "STOP! NOW!" The Spider-Man franchise was a refreshing exception to this rule...until now. They couldn't have not realised this, so why? why? why this self-inflicted wounding of the franchise?

  • May 5, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to venomy?

    by Onomaki Forp

    Our once favourite adjective?

  • May 5, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Okay, I've read most of the TB now

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Couple things:<p>1. I can't believe how many people are whining about the so-called 'Saturday Night Fever' sequence. That was fucking hilarious, the best non-action scene in the film, and anyone who doesn't like it has no sense of humour.<p>2. I can't believe how many people are criticising the relationship problems Peter and MJ had in the film. Yes, it was silly that they were on the verge of splitting up because of poor communication, but - here's an important fact for you - that's how a great deal of long term relationships hit the skids. People stop talking. I thought they did a pretty damn good job of showing how Peter's growing ego was preventing him from really listening to Mary Jane, and I thought Dunst did a good job (with little dialogue) of showing the heartbreak and disappointment on her face every time Peter started banging on about Spider-Man.<p>To conclude, too much whining, Ain't It Cool types. Does a film have to be perfect? That would be nice, but so far only One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest and The Big Lebowski (and maybe Leprechaun In Space) have managed it. Can't you relax and ENJOY a film despite its imperfections? If you have ever liked Spider-Man, I see no valid reason to bash this film so relentlessly.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Don't blame Sam Raimi completely.

    by gusborwig

    It isnt his fault for Venom. The studio pressured him into writing the character into the movie. Im sure the movie would have been completely different if Venom wasnt in it. Given the length of the movie, writing 3 villians into 1 movie was a difficult task. I was wondering why Sam and Ivan Raimi wrote the movie anyways. They should have gotten somebody else to write the movie. Moriarty, while I dont like the criticism youre giving, and I dont think he should hand the reins over, your review was spot on.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Prof, you in new Spidey TB now i see

    by 9banned0.5furious

    i posted this in Cumpstons, but in serious risk for copypasting it into this TB easpecially, well, here it is...but is indeed the man from london, as you speculated in one of your speculations. And it was I who labeled him a not truth teller so it seem it all is quite cofusing right now. All this aside, there is a serious need to release A lot of VENOM(thanks for showing the way into topic) needed for Die Hard TB to stay in top ten, or is is 12, TB`s, with all this Spiderman 3: The Closet finaly got too small, wasting space with same posts by trolls and comicbook people who should not be listened too when they give opinions on cinema unless they prove their worth somehow.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    the_shogun_gunslinger and BSB

    by Freefinger

    You are absolutely right. Masssy needs to stop posting shitty "play by play" that is simply messed up. If the guy can't enjoy a good movie for what it is, then Harry should ban him instead of talkbackers.<P>BSB... Totally agree with you. Arad is like a cancer for Marvel movies. He should be there so they don't fray away from the storylines that were built in the comics for so long, instead of pushing villains and plot to the directors.<P>Raimi is doing a great job considering he's got Arad on his back.<P>Just look at the cameo by Campbell, he made that restaurant scene. Fu**ing hilarious! Great moment for a Spidey flick!<p>Raimi should've said "go away" to Arad, and tell the Studio Execs that he's going to make this movie suck compared to what it should be.<P>I loved the Sandman in this movie. Great way of not ****spoiler - killing off - **** every villain. At least they can use more headlines on future Bugle newspapers for future movies.<P>As you said BSB !!!DAMN YOU AVI ARAD!!!

  • May 5, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    I saw Fake!Willem at the jazz club too!

    by turketron

    Hahaha! I thought I was the only one. Bruce Campbell was the best part of the movie. Oh, and I wtf'd when my whole theater (full of teenagers) did the gasp when MJ kissed Harry. I hope it was only females that did that...

  • May 5, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    I beg to differ with ya, Drew.

    by RobinP

    With my ticket held in my hot little hand, I saw this opening day. Expectations were high...unrealistically so for the third movie along, think Superman 3, Batman Forever...but I loved what I saw. This is despite being a comic book purist. Yeah, they HAD messed with the Sandman origin. I don't know if Sandman & Venom ever actually teamed up by DAMN...that was a breathtaking two and a quarter hours. Was Gwen Stacey underused ? Possibly. I thought maybe they were going to have Mary Jane die (like Gwen did in the comic) and have Gwen replace her in Peter's affections but despite that not happening, all in all I walked away satisfied. The action sequences were incredible. Peter's mawkish sudden "coolness" was well done, both Sandman & Venom looked just like they'd stepped out of the comics. (I've never seen ANYONE look as much as a live action Steve Ditko drawing as Thomas Hayden Church does.) Unfortunately, I think this is the last time we'll see all the original cast - they've all honored their three picture committments so now greed will take over. Maybe it's just as well there's a pleasant sense of closure in this.

  • May 5, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    Sandmans origin

    by Rameses

    I think it would have been a nice change to keep , Sandmans origin closer to the comic . As I remember he was escaping from prison , ran out onto a nuclear testing zone and got himself fused with the sand as the a bomb or whatever goes off. That, somehow seems a little more epic and a change from the little science lab experiments going wrong ,that seems to litter these films., What with P Parker , The goblin , Dr Oc and sandman .. its like the films are just repeating the same origins {visually at least} time after time like a ritual .

  • May 5, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    yeah...(banned), nobody was going to old TB, anymore...

    by Onomaki Forp I brought my review and myself over here so those guys who said they wanted to read it, could. Nobody's reading it here gets lost amongst all the other wannabe I'm a wannabe Rex Reed (Then i gets a cameo in a GOOD superhero movie)

  • May 5, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Hob Goblin in the next one?

    by kingmaclean

    Did everyone notice the line of masks in the goblin base. One was the same as the green goblin mask from the original but gold could this be what the hob goblin could look like? The lizard and hob goblin in spidey four? And then the studio can force the director to put carnage in somehow.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    If you hated this film you're a CRACK CHILD!

    by WillyWonky

    First off my son and I saw this in fanastic dital projected glory last night. It was our first high def movie going experience, and WHAT an experience! I will agree Dunst is terrible as MJ, but they made up for it in this one with Howard as Gwen Stacy. I was sitting there hoping MJ would bite the dirt on the high rise so Pete could move on with Gwen. For all of you griping about Pete's character...SHUT UP! You gripe about him being a sad sack sack, and now that he breaks out of his shell with the symbiote you don't like that either. The guy becomes cocky and mean JUST LIKE IN THE COMIC! He hurts those around him and then has to repair the damage. Part of that damage is Peter's utter humiliation of Brock. So Brock obtains the symbiote after Pete discards in a church bell tower...JUST LIKE IN THE COMIC!! The Sandman serves his purpose in the film AND doesn't die. Wow! Maybe he'll show up in another SM film where his character will be explored even further. Ah the magic of a series of films. So the script may not fallow 40 years of Spidey cannon to the T, but Raimi has developed these films into a series of great adventures for the gerneral public as well as us geeks. So all you crack heads continue to jones for the shot by shot comics adaptation that will never happen and the rest of us will just soak up and enjoy a great summer movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    more about The Gasp! when MJ kissed Harry!

    by Boomers_Lips

    i could tell it was coming when MJ started to lean closer to Harry. it was building slowly and when she finally kissed him, everyone did The Gasp! and i was all wtf.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I can't believe the number of people...

    by zb.brox

    ...who take the jokes in this movie way too seriously. "OMG, why was Betty's buzzer so loud?!" Because it was funny. "How come Peter can play the piano?!" Because it's funny. "Why did Peter drop down in front of a big American flag?!" Because it's funny. Jesus, this isn't Batman, this isn't X-Men, this isn't even Daredevil. These movies are surreal, melodramatic, and comic, they always have been. That's the reality they inhabit, a reality that entertains rather than adheres to strict rules. Most people seemed to accept that in the first two movies. The people who refuse to accept it now seem to be just finding any little thing to pick on to justify their disappointment. Chill out guys. You don't need to. The movie had real flaws, you don't need to imagine more.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Harry sure grew his hair back fast...

    by Boomers_Lips

    after the explosion.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    this movie would have been better on crack...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...i would damn you wonka, but you're not the right one... you're too venomy...

  • May 5, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    No Misstep

    by Blok Narpin

    He calls is a misstep. He's wrong. This is the best of the three.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    was the fashion photographer underused?

    by Boomers_Lips

    i think he was.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Oh, and on emo Peter--

    by zb.brox

    I'm shocked to hear people complaining about what a creepy asshole he was, when that was completely the point of the sequence. I loved that Raimi managed to portray a character going to the dark side as being *less* cool than that character as a good guy.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by Damer1

    How bad would he homo-fy Spidey?

  • May 5, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    emo Peter

    by Onomaki Forp

    ..wasn't creepy enough. He should have been a mean bad-ass, tough guy...not a petulant child. I swear to God a couple of times Tobey looks exactly like Clay Aiken...

  • May 5, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Why? Peter's a huge dork. Is a huge dork suddenly going to acquire self-possession and an intimidating persona just because he's an asshole? No, he's going to be some slimy loser who thinks he's a badass. It was both truer to the character and funnier this way.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Also, personally...

    by zb.brox

    ...I thought it made the moment when he eventually kinda flipped out and beat up those bouncers, then hit MJ, all the harsher. Because the way it was played out, evil-Pete was funny, he was entertaining, and it's not 'til the end that you (and he) realize that he's also dangerous. If he'd been intimidating the whole time, you wouldn't get that "oh shit" moment when he decks MJ, you'd have seen it coming and it would've lost its impact.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST


    by wcoop893

    that beat pirates 2 opening day by 4 mil. im impressed, but i cant say that it deserves it

  • May 5, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    that Saturday Night Fever bit

    by BizarroJerry

    ok, so I cringed a bit, but I still found it funny. Most funny is that during it, most of the women didn't find him as sexy as he thought they did. This is the kind of silliness we get when Raimi is involved.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    more Betty Brant

    by BizarroJerry

    These movies all needed more Betty. Hottest woman in them. She always feels like a character whose scenes were cut. Maybe she's a background comic character used just like this, but I like me some Liz Banks.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    Raimi built up so much cred with the previous two that no matter what anyone says people will show up. You could not have said anything to make me hold off see this movie. I will probably buy the dvd just to watch the action sequences and the great scenes with Sandman and some great shots of Venom. But I can gaurantee I will never subject myself to that dance sequence ever again.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    The dance number was great

    by BeatsMe

    The thing that was so genius about it and the whole evil Peter thing was the it was a nerd's idea of what's cool. And you're kind of laughing at him, but also laughing at yourself, because, duh, you're watching Spider-Man 3. I feel like people who were so bothered by that were so because it cut a little too close to home. The movie was overstuffed, the Venom stuff really didn't work, but other than that, I actually loved it. It was a like a Hal Hartley movie with a couple of cool action scenes thrown in.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    I am at a loss

    by zb.brox

    as to how anyone could not find the dance sequence funny. Seriously. It was goofy as shit.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    the women not finding Peter sexy...

    by Boomers_Lips

    was hilarious! the looks they gave each other as they saw him strut past them was funny!

  • May 5, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    The script there was brilliant--

    by zb.brox

    With Peter being *totally unable* to talk like a badass. The poor dork.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    the Sandman was very depressing.

    by Boomers_Lips

    i mean he could've smiled every now and then, but he just had this blank, depressed, emo expression on his face during the whole movie. and the crying at the end was ridiculous.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    more on The Sandman being very depressing.

    by Boomers_Lips

    he kept ruining the movie for me. the only time he was interesting was when he turned into a sand monster and i didnt have to see his face.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    problem was too much in there

    by BizarroJerry

    I did like this movie, but the biggest issue really was trying to cram too much in there for one film. While it would make it far too long, I'll bet Raimi could put together a 3-hour cut that would use everyone better. It occurred to me that all the Grace, Howard and Cromwell scenes felt like a highlight reel of another movie starring them. All three were underused, with Cromwell being wasted the most. If you see this again, think about it. It's like they're off somewhere else having their own movie and we only get to see them when they crossover with Spider-Man 3...

  • May 5, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Sleazy Peter with his haircut and blazer...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...kinda resembles the way Jimmy Franks looks lately. See for yourself: fill in the gaps

  • May 5, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Forp O. wrote excelent review

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Yeah, i mean it you Sheep/product you. I red it the first time and wanted to comment right there but got a bit too involved in another TB and forgot to give credit. It reds very good, insightfull and funny, including the real life broadway shenanigans and as far I am concerned you can allways post your reviews/opinions. Loved lover`s behavior analisys and Sanjajalam.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    James Cromwell & Bryce Howard were horribly underused!

    by Boomers_Lips

    here are 2 great actors of our time and they appear in the movie for a collective 20 min!

  • May 5, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST


    by WillyWonky

    They would be horribly under used is this movie was titled "The Adventures of Capt. Stacy"; however this is Spiderman, so EVERYONE is a supporting character to tell HIS story.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Not that I would pay for this movie anyway

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I`ll see pirated DVD, same as with the first two. Makes for easy fastforwarding immediatelly upon stumbling on bljack moments. And there is plenty of them in first two alredy. So this instalment just made sure everyone will finaly see it for the crap it is.<p> And the godzillions Sony will make on this POS will just bring the cinema to even lower standards. How low can we go man!? Is there no bottom?

  • May 5, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    give Bryce Howard her own spin-off movie!

    by Boomers_Lips

    The Gwen Stacy Adventures!

  • May 5, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    TB'ers: was there anyone dressed up in your theater?

    by Boomers_Lips

    while waiting in line so the movie could start, i saw several people wearing SpiderMan and Venom shirts. I saw this one dude wearing a Venom shirt with black pants and he was wearing the Venom mask. When we got into the theater i saw that a little girl was dressed as Snow White, i was all wtf. And some people dressed up as if they were going to their prom.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    Damn thats a hunk of change.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    $59 million grossed on Friday in sales....

    by Shawn F.

    $58,999,999 handed out in refunds to dissatisfied fans. :-)

  • May 5, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Boomers re: dress-up

    by Onomaki Forp

    I saw two guys that either 1. dressed up as Jay and Silent Bob, 2. dressed this way normally in life, or 3. actually *were* Jay and Silent Bob.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Scott Holleran

    by kwisatzhaderach

    thinks 3 is much better than 2. What is it with this guy?????

  • May 5, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    "Piece of Shit"

    by Lucasblows

    Yes. They raised the bar with Spider-man 2 and fell woefullly short this time around. It was aweful. Unless you only care to see the action sequences (which are still never as good as the train fight in SM2) this was a complete an utter waste.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    presumably the action sequences are not as goodd because ILM were not on board this time. It was Sony Imageworks.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Scott Holleran...

    by Lucasblows an moron. Have you ever read any of his other reviews? If he doesn't like it, go see it.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Out of interest....

    by zb.brox

    ....where would everyone place this film, on it's own terms (as opposed to in the context of being a disappointment), in the pantheon of Marvel films? Personally, I think it was nearly as good as X2, which also had a stellar first half and became much more of a mixed bag toward the end.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I totally agree, he seems to read the genral concensus one every movie and then write the complete opposite. He's a major twat.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...and I was a little disappointed. The film isn't bad, but I just couldn't help noticing that the film seemed poorly edited and rushed. The score was poor. The only major character who I emotionally attached to was Sandman. *sigh

  • May 5, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    In the final fight, Sandman reminded me of Mongo...

    by pokadoo

    the Giant Gingerbread man from Shrek 2! "OOHH, PREEETTTEEEEY".

  • May 5, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Stop the Freaking crying!!!!!

    by pelos_locos

    I really wanted to see a Peter Parker that was confident and not a wimp. What's with all the crying? Didn't he cry enough already in SP2? S T O P I T. Ya parenle con esa madre. <p> If Raimi can make JJJ and Bruce C so funny, why can't he pull the wise-cracking Spider-Man that we know? This is one of the crucial aspects of Spider-Man. Smart-ass comments that make the villains angry and the audience smile have been missing from day one. OR is it that Tobey M can't pull it out? His few lame attempts in S-M 1 came out flat, insipid, devoid of all spark. I agree with all those that say that Topher would have made a better PP/SM. He had in this movie the witty personality that PP should have had since day one, plus we have seen it pull out a nerd flawlessly in his show. I really enjoyed the moments Topher was on the screen. <p> And can you explain the special effects? Why does it still look so rubbery? I really did not see that much difference between SM1, 2 or 3. There is no excuse. And sandman (or is it sandstorm) still looked like the mummy to me.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    3 out 10


    This movie was just a disapointment. The good news is Bruce Campbell was great.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    What a delightfully awful idea. ;)

  • May 5, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Spider-man 3 was on 10,000

    by bobster52

    Spider-man 3 was on 10,000 screens compared to 8500 for Pirates 2. This would make a huge difference in total grosses. Pirates 3 will win the total box office battle.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    People went to see Pirates2, but they were largley disappointed by it. Pirates3 is far from a sure thing.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    that will never happen. not in a million years.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by gride9000


  • May 5, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Who knows how many screens

    by bobster52

    Who knows how many screens Pirates's 3 will be playing on?

  • May 5, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by gride9000


  • May 5, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by superninja

    you want to tap everything.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Well, Walter Chaw over at FilmFreak gave this

    by superninja

    3 1/2 stars, so I'm gonna have to go see it now. Basically he says that Spidey3 is a State of the Union address and a message about healing. Hahah.

  • May 5, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp

    what the fuck is funthis?

  • May 5, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    8/10 for me

    by tomdpimp2k

    I really enjoyed it. Is it as good as Spider-man 2? No. Couldn't be as good because that film has the best Spider-man villain of Doc Ock. This movie is turning point for the series. I personally think that all movies have trouble with 3rd films. Lets look at the history of third movies. Star Trek 3: Search for Spock Superman 3 costarring Richard Pryor as a computer genius. Batman Forever where Robin is introduced Godfather 3: featuring George Hamilton Terminator 3 occasionally third movies are excellent. Goldfinger, Jedi, Sith, and LORD of the Rings Return of the King

  • May 5, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by Lucasblows

    No need to cut and paste 450 times.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Spidey 3, Chimes From The Opinionated

    by One Who Sees

    Let me start by saying that I may be a bit all over the place and back and forth. 1st, as a movie (which we shouldn't forget is a business tool) S3 was actually good. It was nice to look at, offered fairly solid acting performances and did a more than decent job of bringing characters to life from 2D source material. 2nd, as a third installment in a so-called trilogy it was greatly lacking and followed a sad trend in trilogies of being supreme let-downs. See Matrix Revolutions, Return Of the Jedi, X3, Blade Trinity, Superman 3, Jaws 3, Batman Forever, Lethal Weapon 3, Godfather 3, Goldmember and for the ecclectic heck of it, Once Upon A Time In China III. In good non let-down trilogies, there's a concluding progression of character and story development that was absent in S3. See Return Of The King and Revenge Of The Sith. Mary Jane was the same emotionally flaky chic she's been in all three flicks. Sucker-ass movie Pete has always been way more in love with her than she even seems to LIKE him. Harry's still on the same lack of forensics facts based fued with Spidey/Pete. Aunt May is still delivering antecdotal parables to sooth Pete's predicaments, but NOT knowing or being told that Pete is Spidey. Does Robbie of the Bugle know or doesn't know that Pete is Spidey? It was hinted at in S2. What was the state of Osborne Industries/OsCorp? Just because Harry utters a frustrated "I'm ruined!" after he escapes with Spidey's help from Doc Ock's failed experiment in S2, doesn't mean that a billion dollar organization is belly-up. 3rd, as a fanboy of Spider titles there were several glaring points for nitpicking. If there was true insistance on Venom being a villian in the movie, maybe he should've replaced Sandman as the supposed focus villain. Venom is more of a true nemesis than Harry and Flint Marko. Flint Marko/Sandman killing (even accidentally) Uncle Ben!?!? Way to take from Burton's Batman 1. No true romantic development between Pete and Gwen. Damnit, she was his actual girlfriend BEFORE Mary Jane. Sandman didn't live up to the true potential of his abilities. No shifting through cracks or keyholes, only hammers, big fists and growth. By the way, did Sandman ever get to actually HELP his daughter in S3? The symbiote suit was more like sticky nightmare veins rather than flowy liquid akin to lava lamps. No true evidence of enhanced abilities with the black suit. The black suit never took him out on late night jaunts while sleeping. I understand that there was no way to get into the whole Secret Wars origin of the symbiote, but damnit, a meteor crashing within yards of Pete and MJ?!? What the hell with taking a symbiote suit to Dr. Connors for analysis? Will the good doctor incorporate it somehow into his Lizard movie origin? Stop killing off villians! I guess you can always start over one day as evidenced by Batman Begins? In a better world Topher Grace is Pete/Spidey Richie Cunningham's daughter as Mary Jane. As for reformatting the flick, those two just mentioned as the lead couple, Harry and Venom teaming up with no Sandman in the movie makes way more sense. In all and giving great credit where credit is due, Good Job Sam Raimi. Raimi, I'm sure, had a lot of fronts to accomodate. Fanboys (which he is himself), studio suits, corporate suits, and the general popcorn munching audience ALL had to be satisfied. With that being said, he did a great job with villian cramming, story and direction. Spiderman 3, Good but not Great.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Logic in Spiderman Movies

    by antonphd

    I know that there are rediculous leaps in logic in SM3 but I don't think it is a departure from the other 2 rather they are not masked as well by the pace of the movie and the drama which is due to the fact the movie is just too crammed full to do that. In SM2... Peter LOSES his powers from stress?!?! What the fuck logic did that make? It made ZERO sense at all. You can't even begin to defend that. It was completely retarded. Did I care? Not really. I just excepted that it was a comic book movie not the French Connection.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST



    that is all...

  • May 5, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I don't know...

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    ... I hear this movie is fun.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by FirstPostersSuck

    I was waiting for him to start wearing the tight chick pants and cut himself.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by skydog

    Gotta give you props, Moriarty, that was so well written.

  • May 5, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST


    by gride9000


  • May 5, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Logic in Spiderman Movies

    by antonphd

    There is actually ZERO logic in any of the Spiderman movies. They all take gigantic leaps. But they are fun. So, who cares. I saw it a second time and now I feel like watching it again. All you complainers will like it the more times you watch it. There's way too much to enjoy to not watch it again. I'm rarely happy the first time I watch a comic book movie. 300, Sin City, Matrix, the one with the guy who gets cancer played by the other guy in the movie with the sandman, Batman Begins. Otherwise, they can never match my own imagination and it takes a second viewing for me to really get into the movie. The drama is ussually what is effective to me the first time watching. And this Spiderman movie just couldn't compete with the drama of the other two. Though... I am more an more sad to see what happens in the end because I liked that character alot especially in this movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Spiderman three

    by emeraldboy

    By now Spidey three is out and the verdict is in. I loved the first two films. Spiderman three is a big a let down as you can imagine, only more so. All the actors look as if they couldnt give a shit anymore and that is a very bad thing. Whats worse is that it appears Raimi was leant on to include a character he didnt want. Venom. This could so easily have been the sandman movie. The part where flint marco becomes Snadman is touching. but the american idol induced blubbing is cringe inducing. stop blubbing for fucks sake. Simon cowell is to blame for this. The writing in this movie is really limp and it feels like the movie was made in a hurry. They ripp part of this movie off superman 3. only they replaced reeves greasy looking designer stubble with a fringe for maguire. which looked dreadful. and to make matters worse they added black eyeliner. This is my main and damning criticism of this movie: do they not ask questions in studios or at least did Raimi completly disregard the sudios notes when they saw the dance sequences with tobey maguire. Did no one ask what the fuck is going on and did raimi have full control of his movie by that stage or even his senses. did he even have them when the movie was being made to being with. The acting at the end was from hayden christensen school of acting. The stuff with the butler was so bizaare, you just couldnt help laughing and the audience did. unintentionally. I loved the first two movies. The trailers were simply magnificent. That gergorian music with the orchestral backing made those two film out to be epic and that it is what put bums on seats. it made you want see those. Spidey three will make you want to see this for a different reason. See how easy it is to throw a franchise down the toilet. as I left theatre, I was overcome a sense, that I never want to see another Spiderman again.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the storylines are pretty free and loose

    by superninja

    in the other two films. It sounds like the same with the third. I think that is actually (along with the dialogue) the weakest things about these movies. Although I did like the randomness in the Spidey2 because it made it feel like a departure from the dreaded superhero movie formula.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Oh and by the way whose idea was to hire that

    by emeraldboy

    annoying british tv report. dear god, i wanted a piece of masonary to flatten here really bad.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    To me, superhero films need to have a very tight

    by superninja

    and very significant theme. You can have things branch off of that, but since they are modern myths, they work best when you stick to that and do not deviate. <p> It seems this film is about forgiveness, but it gets very muddled because it only superficially explores it. Otherwise, you get in danger of it turning into a soap opera, because it has many of the same characteristics in serial storytelling. They need to keep the soap opera stuff out of superhero films - it's fine for the comics, to a point.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    HOTTEST Extras are always in these Spiderman flicks

    by Jugdish

    It says somethign whenevery extra is hotter than the lead...Sam knows how to pick em

  • May 5, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by Damer1

    Just got back from a morning showing and it was at least as bad as X3. This summer is going to be a big dud.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    POTC3 and Potter are were it is at, baby.

    by superninja

    TF will pull a Titanic.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I want Miss Brandt.

    by I Dunno

    She was the real star of the movie. She makes Kirstin Dunst look like a troll. <p>The rest of it was pretty paint by numbers. There weren't any real surprises (MJ gets kidnapped at the end of the film AGAIN?) and the fight scenes were cartoonish, even the ones without Sandman. Does Peter have Wolverine's healing ability and admantium skeleton now? Because I clearly remember getting knocked out in the first film and taking a pounding that would turn him into a fine paste in this one. And don't tell me it's a comic book movie, that's the entire point. You have to follow your own rules above all else. </p>

  • May 5, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 3 can best be summed up..

    by ah justin sweet

    by what my friend said at the midnight showing during the dance sequence. "I have to be dreaming. This sucks, I'm going to wake up tomorrow and be like, wow, I had the worst dream ever that Spiderman 3 was horrible." The movie is incomprehensibly terrible. Sam Raimi must have bought the Office on dvd or some shit and decided that awkward, uncomfortable humor was funny so he jam packed Spiderman 3 with totally random, stupid moments. The action was cool, but fuck, Spidey flying around with Harry on the hoverboard played out like they were the Ambiguously Gay Duo. Also, I'm pretty sure they shot this movie without a script and it was just improv.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Come on, the Twist scene in the kitchen was genius.

    by I Dunno

    Because I never thought that I could see anything that would ever make me want to punch out a kitten but here we are.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by ah justin sweet

    The movie will be the number one comedy of the year.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Waaaay too many people laughing at this flick

    by FirstPostersSuck

    and not just at the comedy bits either.

  • May 5, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Can we have a moritorium on people spontaneously

    by superninja

    breaking into song/dance to a Golden Oldie in films? For at least 10 years or so?

  • May 5, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Pirates will own Spidey, just like it did Supes & T3

    by jabbathegriffin

    That's a FACT, not an opnion. Pirates 2 was complete and utter mediocrity yet it got a free pass because Superman Returns was such a let down. The same will happen here. Everybody on this board has their own vision of Spiderman and there's no way the end result could live up to it. Pirates never had that pressure. The first one hit for that very reason--no one saw it coming. And in some way, they were able to sit back and enjoy the ride for Part 2 in the same fashion and will do so again for Part 3. No matter how good or bad the movie may be, it'll surpass Spiderman (though it won't be as an embarassing as SR's failure was).

  • May 5, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Things I do not want to see in future superhero films:

    by superninja

    Dance/song numbers<p>Origin stories comprising the first 30 minutes of the movie - we get it, okay?<p>Anyone WB would consider casting for their t.v. channel playing characters that are supposed to be grown ups<p>Costumes that do not look in line with the original comic book design<p>Butlers and/or sidekicks explaining things that should be explained by the unfolding of the story itself<p>Love interests that exist solely to create teen angst<p>Meet-cutes with characters that belong in your average episode of Sailor Moon/Pokemon<p>Teary-eyed villains who are evil but sooo sympathetic, i.e. "My kid is dying so I had to do X." (Unless he is punched in the face by the hero/villain immediately following said revelation.)<p>Everyone knowing everyone else and all of their motivations somehow inexplicably being tied together

  • May 5, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Thank God Talkbackers account for almost 0% Box Office

    by antonphd

    How in the world can anyone hate this movie? There are some shitty shitty movies made. This is not one of them. I appreciate Moriarties review. It's honest and realistic. I bet you he's changed his mind about seeing it again by now though. And his opinion about the movie will raise on a second viewing. And I expect that Harry felt the way Moriarty did, but he knows he will likely feel different on multiple viewings. That's why no review. He knows he'll love this movie in the long run but he also knows it's not a homerun the others were. Anything positive he says is gonna be called an apology.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    vagina is gaymy?

    by Onomaki Forp

    then i'd better douche before my hot asian girl on girl action with my fellow Japanse schoolgirls...

  • May 5, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    No RIP for Gordon Scott yet?

    by Onomaki Forp

    one of the nicer Tarzans - also did a lot of "peplum" work Ercole (Hercules), Machiste, etc. (Not off - topic Lord Greystoke related to Parker family through Wold-Newton)

  • May 5, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Lesbians

    by Onomaki Forp

    Was that Ellen Degeneres coming out of the theatre after the show near the beginning of the movie? This is not unusual for celebrities abound in Midtown theatre district...I once saw Hugh Jackman in the Men's Room at a showing of Avenue Q (if I'm a lesbian...what was I doing in the men's room? a straight woman would at least have motivation for following Hugh in there... I guess for Wolvie I'd be willing to make an exception)

  • May 5, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Yup, people applauded

    by BeatsMe

    at my screening too. And that was for a movie that ended with two people dancing. This one's gonna be huge cause it's going to connect the most with the non-geeks.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I must go now...Kentucky Derby's starting...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...and you know how much we girls love horses... (BSB you owe me for this set-up)...

  • May 5, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Where's the Talkback

    by antonphd

    How does this film not have an official talkback yet?

  • May 5, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    they're saturating the site to try and hold back the negative buzz. This will open huge. One of the biggest weekends ever. Won't hold up nearly as well as the other two spiderman movies. Wait for it.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Peter was basically acting like Eddie

    by wackedfuck

    As ridiculous (although admittedly pretty damn funny) as it was seeing Pete act like some kind of wannabe gigolo, that's basically the way Eddie acts in the movie and since Eddie does become Venom, it kind of makes sense in that respect.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    I have an explanation...

    by emeraldboy

    Ok, here it goes. 3 years ago when Spidey 2 came out Raimi was it appeared setting the story for spidey 3. I remember the cartoon very well and when I saw stuff with MJ and John Jameson. I thought that is how they are going to bring in venom into the movie. We know now that raimi didnt want venom at all. ever. He wanted Sandman. He was told that there would be no more Spiderman. We have been told that there will be a spiderman 4,5,6. Raimi fought the studio and he lost and I dont think, he ever forgave dunst for opening her big mouth. If he wanted to go out on a bang he could have. but he got screwed. so he wrote a terrible movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    The guy sitting behind Peter and Gwen in the Jazz club

    by AlwaysThere

    Willem Dafoe's stand-in maybe?

  • May 5, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Wait... this was Spider-man? I thought it was...

    by PirateEmery

    Pete and MJ 3. Seriously, I kept asking the theater: "Hey, uh, where's Spiderman?" NOT a good movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    regarding these "COINCIDENCES"

    by zooch

    Look at Spiderman 1 and 2. Peter Parker's best friend's dad just so happens to become his arch-nemisis the Green Goblin. Peter Parker just so happens to be doing a report on Dr. Octavius (who gains 8 limps!) in a ridiculous tritium plot and this happened right in front of Peter Parker. Then Doc Ock procedes to rob the same bank and the same time that Peter and Aunt May are trying to get a loan. Nobody was complaining about these coincidences when those movies came out.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Way better than I'd heard......

    by wildphantom07

    Saw it last night, fearing huge disappointment and I was pleasantly surprised. Character arcs were completed nicely and I felt satisfied come the end. Definitely not as good as '2' but it was solid. Loved the Peter street-strut scene - was a Raimi classic. Audience reaction was good as well. Definitely got the sense the crowd was happy coming out - and this from a much more reserved UK. Maybe going in with lower expectations made me enjoy it all the more but I'd see it again, definitely.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    As for the "How CONVENIENT" parts of the movie...

    by PirateEmery

    They sucked. The script sucked. The only scene that was awesome was the Birth of Venom (which, though it was such a convenience, it stayed relatively true to the comic). But seriously, so many corners were cut. The suit? Peter CAN'T take it off!

  • May 5, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST


    by PirateEmery

    That was because Spider-man 2 was GOOD. There's a DIFFERENCE.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy - I thought exactly the same thing.

    by Cleyu

    A lot of care and attention was put into Sandman and nothing else.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Saw Spider-Man 3 on Wednesday night,& here's my score..

    by Otter

    I liked it mostly, but as far as quality, I have to compare it more to SM1 than two. Here are my pet peeves about the movie: 1)Ursula is not as cute as she was in SM3; she got sort of dowdy, don't you think? 2) What the hell was Paris Hilton doing in Pete's physics class? 3) Who were those same 3-4 model type girls that were in all the crowd scenes? Where they the Pussycat Dolls dressed down or something? 4) So, if Harry's head wound healed so fast, they why didn't his scarred face heal just as fast? 5)Pete & MJ's reunion at the Jazz Club... they should have just let them break it off at the end, and leave the next movie for Pete & Gwen. 6) The annoying play-by-play between the British reporter and the David Brinkley like studio reporter with the booming "IS THIS THE END OF SPIDER-MAN?" I expected him to say, "More, after this..." 8) I'm not a Venom fan, but the never really showed the Venom face for more that 5 seconds; they would always switch to Brock's face with the Kirsten Dunst's teeth whenever he wanted to talk. Did they cast her teeth for Topher's appliance? Other than not, not a bad movie, but not as great as I would have expected. And BTW, R.I.P. Gordon Scott.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    "Talkbackers account for almost 0% Box Office"

    by Lucasblows

    Um... obviously we all saw the movie so "0%" is ...well ...a stupid thing to say.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    i must admit

    by christpunchers2007

    there were some parts that turned out very good, like the "didnt you hear? im the sherrif in this town", but then there were things that were done in a lazy sloppy manner that could have been executed MUCH MUCH better. I dont like how the church was basically RIGHT ACROSS the street where the jazz club was, where MJ works..... thats a little too much for me, knowing that these flaws will become very appearant with more viewings. Lets hope this movie has some legs so hopefully they can correct themselves with a 4th movie, one that isnt bloated and execs will let the story tellers do what they want to do instead of forcing them to include "AWESOME" "COOL" villians like venom (im looking at you avi). Bring on the re-cut & extended DVD!

  • May 5, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    This movie is DOA

    by obi-bear

    While alot of the flack flying around here about this movie is valid, for me it all came down to a simple thing.... About halfway through or so, it ends up having the unweildy combination of lazy/rushed film making and an attitude from everyone (actors, effects guys, even the director) of not giving a that in the end, the audience doesn't either. This is a boardroom turkey...this series needs a rest and some new blood when & if it comes back...

  • May 5, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    the butler's story

    by christpunchers2007

    could have been fleshed out or acted out much better... but when harry came back from the hospital and bernard the butler greeted him the guys eyes were darting all over..... bad execution.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    dear god

    by christpunchers2007

    parker is in the restaurant with MJ, gwen stacey is suddenly there too! "having dinner with my parents here"... right...

  • May 5, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    "That's not the position i hired you for!

    by Boomers_Lips

    the theater laughed out loud when JJ Jamison said that to Betty!

  • May 5, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    "That's not the position i hired you for!"

    by Boomers_Lips

    the theater laughed out loud when JJ Jamison said that to Betty!

  • May 5, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Pete is no longer responsible for Uncle Ben's death.

    by Vynson

    The biggest problem is that Sam Raimi betrayed Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. He betrayed the character of Peter Parker. He did this by having Flint Marko emerge as the actual killer of Uncle Ben. Understand what this means. It means that Peter's off the hook. It means that the man he refused to stop was a mere thief; not the future murderer of Uncle Ben. It means the man he chased into the warehouse and pursued to his death was a petty thief. It means that Peter need not feel any guilt about his Uncle's death. It means that the event that taught him his defining lesson of great power and great responsibility never happened. Spider-Man's defining moment... gone. And so Raimi has betrayed the character and the franchise with this outing. I am very disappointed. Thumbs down.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I have stated my hatred for this film but...

    by tile_mcgillus

    the basic ideas could have been great. It was just poorly constructed. They handle the Harry v Peter thing better (say their first fight turns into a tearjerker where SM gets the fight to the Rooftops. There Peter is trying to NOT hurt his friend and is just getting beat down by Harry but trying to explain the situation. He keeps taking it and taking and telling Harry that he tried to save his father and help him and he loves him as his best friend and would never do anything to intentionally hurt him. Fight ends with them both crying and Harry fleeing. We don't see Harry again until the ending where we all cheer when he saves Peter.) Something as simple as a different ending to that fight literally takes most of the horrible and cheesy moments away from the movie. Plus it would allow for more screentime and development for Venom and Sandman. That is just a suggestion by a dumb fanboy, I just think Sam and Ivan could have done ALOT ALOT ALOT ALOT better. SHOULDA COULDA WOULDA.<br><br> The Movie just feels like a rough first draft turned out in a week that you work off of and improve on. Not put to film. I really hope MISS-Communication isn't the villian in anymore superhero movies, she is just annoying. Her power to ruin movies is proving vexxing.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    StrangeCo nails it

    by christpunchers2007

    before all the spoiler trailers and everything else that came within a year of the release i thought raimi and the team would use more braincells inventing interesting situations where they can avoid all these coincidences. Yes indeed, why couldnt brock have followed spiderman after he got fired from the bugle? they could have done so much more if they had brock investigate how parker even manages to snap those amazing spiderman shots all these years, which leds him right into the church where parker finally manages to take off the suit.... its really sad to see the great efforts put into the first 2 movies go to complete waste. sure the first 2 movies werent perfect but they were bounds and leaps better than this. its like the writers said "yeah we did great with our first 2 exams we're gonna get the enrollment that we want anyhow so lets just connect the dots between the action scenes in this 3rd movie no matter how IMPOSSIBLE the coincidences become". In mere 2 hours and 20 odd minutes theyve killed the spiderman that many of us enjoyed for the last 5/6 years. Did i mention how horrible the music to this rotten movie is? Its like christopher young was too busy sniffing coke off a hooker's ass along with the rest of the execs to write a decent piece for pretty much ANY part of this movie. The symbiote theme is so bad that it's almost like X3's theme played backwards. Or maybe thats what they were going for, complete sabatoge.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST


    by Wonderboys

    You are right on the money. Amen!

  • May 5, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    The Hobgoblin attacked Spider-Man... emotionally.

    by brokentusk

    That was some serious soap opera bullshit right there - "go after his heart first" indeed. I agree with everything Moriarty said in his review, really. This wasn't a bad film, it wasn't even a disappointing film... it was exactly like the first two films in the series. The problems I had with those films (cheesy moments, bad writing, drawn out drama) are the exact problems I had with this film. So all in all it was a decent ending to a franchise plagued with problems. I hope they go in another direction with the fourth film, that would be very interesting.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    "If you want Peter to live, you'll do something for me"

    by Lucasblows

    Um... your boyfriend is Spider-man. You don't think he can handle Harry Osborne on a hoverboard?

  • May 5, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    why were Captain & Gwen Stacy at Harry's funeral?

    by Boomers_Lips

    did they even know him???

  • May 5, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Hey BSB Horse dick = 13 inches

    by Onomaki Forp

    take that you triskaidekaphobe!!!

  • May 5, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    is emo still operative phrase?

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...these assorted moody alternative-rock cultures shift so rapidly that if you blink twice six of them will have ended and three more started up while your eyes were closed... (BSB now rapidly adding up numbers in post...)

  • May 5, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST


    by Lucasblows

    I was wondering that too! But, totally forgot about it because at that point I just wanted to leave... and then Mary Jane sang again.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    another part that made no sense

    by christpunchers2007

    so harry dies, didnt the cops investigate why hes even there? i mean he is in the new goblin armor and all, flying in the air fighting a sand godzilla. Doc Ock died at the bottom of a sea (supposedly) but harry dies and gets a full funeral yet nobody questions why hes up there in the construction site.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Audience reaction

    by Orbots Commander

    I thought SM3 was just okay, but not worth a second viewing. The flick is definitely 'a rental'. I guess as a tiny representative of audience reaction, I ran into the upstairs neighbors in my apartment building on their way back from this movie. One of their two little kids loved it, the other slept through it. The father and mother thought it was one of the biggest turds they'd ever seen. As an aside, does anybody know where the hell the supposed $250+ Million budget of SM3 went towards? Because the action was few and far between and the SFX looked cheesy in moments. You know I would have taken a $50 Million Spidey movie but with a far better screenplay. I thought they had Alvin Sargent writing this one again. What happened?

  • May 5, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST


    by PirateEmery

    How again are you able to make paragraphs in the Talkback? It's been pissing me off that my statements get pushed into one small paragraph, but I can see that others can do it. Is there something I'm missing?

  • May 5, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    "Lets stop the climactic battle for a JJJ/camera joke!"

    by BenBraddock

    Not that the climax was good or anything, but still, WTF??? Raimi, what the fuck were you on?

  • May 5, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Mary Jane singing...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...brought back memories of Minmei ruined the old Robotech series.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    of HOW minmei ruined the old robotech series...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...feel like Peter Sellers in Murder by Death...I need Truman Capote as a "cow on wall" to correct my English...

  • May 5, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp

    ...that would be unstable of me...

  • May 5, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I swear...

    by zb.brox people are so angry and disappointed that you *make up* problems that are *obviously not* actual problems just to complain about something. Gwen a pointless waste? Jesus fucking christ, she breaks apart Peter and MaryJane, if her name had been anything other than Gwen Stacy you wouldn't say a thing about it. You might as well say that Curt Connors was a pointless waste in Spider-Man 2. Introducing important characters in minor roles as potential set-up for the rest of the series is NOT A FLAW. Jesus. Or "OMFG, how convenient that church was right near the bar". You ever been to New York? There's a thousand goddamn churches in that city. He smacked MJ AT THE BAR, and went to think about it AT A CHURCH, and he ended up at A CHURCH NEAR THE BAR. Big fucking shock! And Eddie Brock just happened to be there. Boo fucking hoo, HE FOLLOWED THEM TO THE BAR! WE SAW HIM! ARGH. Sloppy screenwriting and you not paying attention aren't the same thing. Oh, and why did Sandman have to be human and accidentally kill Uncle Ben? You're right, it would be harder to forgive him if he were an unrepentant murderer, but it would also be fucking *impossible* to forgive him if he were an unrepentant murderer because he wouldn't *apologize* for it. You don't forgive people who aren't sorry, Jesus. The whole point is that Pete was ready to kill the guy without knowing the whole story, he was willing to ignore what made him human, focusing exclusively on the biggest mistake of his life. It's hard to say "don't judge people based on one mistake, however horrific" if, in fact, the guy makes a career out of being a murdering asshole. As for the "Peter should've been all evil and not funny when he went dark" thing, again, you're missing the point. Revenge feels good, power feels good, now that he doesn't give a damn about responsibility, he's having a ball, his life's one big joke. And that's why it hits the audience and him both all the harder when he flips out and hits MJ. If he'd been going around acting like a sociopathic asshole, you'd be waiting for that, it wouldn't shock you, the way it shocked him. And, Jesus, this was a vastly more original and interesting way of showing a character turning to the darkside than yet another version of the Anakin-Skywalker "good boy starts doing things that are creepy and disturbing, ooh what a brooding badass he is" story. Damn. Jesus, all this negative reaction is is a bunch of people who had their hopes too high and feel betrayed, same as the manic negative reaction to the last two Matrix movies (both of which are vastly better than, say, Terminator 3). This movie was far, far better than most comic book movies, people are just desperately trying to justify their disappointment.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    ...Harry dies and no one investigates or questions? WTF? How do you know no one investigated or questioned? It's not like he was a supervillain--he attacked Peter, but no one knows about that. His only PUBLIC actions were SAVING MARY JANE AND SPIDER-MAN. As far as the city's concerned, he'd be a hero. Funeral's a go, dude.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    This is an enormous allegation to make

    by emeraldboy

    but here goes Raimi fucked this film up on purpose to piss off the sony execs who demanded he include a character he didnt want and after he lost the argument , he decided to make a terrible film on purpose. The huge error on Raimis part was hiring his brother to write the film with him.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    The problem with Spidey 3

    by zohar18

    Spiderman 3 suffers from what I will call "the alarm clock syndrome". Once I got comfortable with a scene and got motivated by what was being developed, the metaphorical equivalent of an alarm would ring and break my concentration. I just couldn't relax knowing that at at any moment the "alarm" would go off and a completely new scene would be introduced. The movie switched its context too often.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST


    by AlwaysThere


  • May 5, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Did anyone notice the nod to Hellraiser?

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Think about this for a second. Christopher Young's music during the scene where Frank comes back to life in Hellraiser after the blood is spilled in the attic. <BR> <BR> NOW look AND listen to the scene in Spiderman 3 where the Sandman comes to life after the accident in the sand pit. Is that a nod from Raimi and Young to their horror roots and Hellraiser which Young also scored? Hmmmmmmm, I wonder.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem with the film. So much is going on that it can't maintain and build emotional momentum for any particular angle. Which means that things like the deaths at the end didn't have quite the impact they should've.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Example of Sloppy writing

    by AlwaysThere

    When Evil Harry stabs Emo Parker there's blood on the end of the sword. Yet Emo Parker never displays any sort of ill=effect from it. Is Emo-man now Wolverine?

  • May 5, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    "You ever been to New York? There's a thousand goddamn churches in that city", exactly, a thousand churches, and they somehow end up in the same one, brock and peter must be conjointed twins seperated at birth. <p> And yes we did see brock follow peter to the bar, then brock splitted up. But come one, couldnt the writers do better than that? Have brock somehow tail spiderman to a church to redeem himself by grabbing some decent photos for JJ - a chance to get his job back? <p> "The whole point is that Pete was ready to kill the guy without knowing the whole story, he was willing to ignore what made him human, focusing exclusively on the biggest mistake of his life." Yeah sure, i can accept that, but having ben parker's death as an "accident" is really really lame. <p> "This movie was far, far better than most comic book movies, people are just desperately trying to justify their disappointment." I will agree, it is a "fun" movie in certain parts but overall as a movie it is just mediocore, it does not feel like a true continuation of the fantastic #2. But i need to agree with you that they did good by giving parker the humping moves on the street and the dance number in the jazz bar, it shows that hes cocky and he doesnt give a shit what people thinks, hes god damn motherfucking spiderman. But thats just one of the few things that they did well in this movie, the negatives far outweight the positives. <p> as far as the harry may or may not have been investigated thing, i was just speaking my mind. Maybe in the next movie they'll have flashes of a news article about how harry is a nut who used oscorp tech to fly around the city. But ill admit that was just a nitpicking, there are far bigger problems with this film than that.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    Maybe the symbiote heals spidey at a rapid rate. Maybe they should have shown the goo "healing" the suit whenever it gets slashed.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    I still think it makes perfect sense they ended up at the same church. Why is it so unbelievable that they both went to the nearest one?<br><br>Yeah, I agree, it's a little lame to have Uncle Ben's death be an accident. I think that could have been better. But I don't think it's awful--it aided the theme, and it *doesn't* deny Pete's responsibility (because if he'd caught the crook, chances are good Ben would still be alive, it was the crook's return that spurred Ben's death). Allowing Pete to forgive Marko allows him to forgive himself, I like that. But it could have been better, the whole movie could have been better. But the people talking like this movie was worse than real horrors like Fantastic Four and X3 really annoys me.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Yes it is believable

    by christpunchers2007

    but the movies already has few too many coincidences preceeding that scene to make it feel decent. I was expecting far better, brock following spidey trying get good shots for example. I guess what im trying to say is that this movie felt really like a broadway play on speed where backdrops keep changing but all the actors are never really more than 10 yards away from each other, something that doesnt sit right with me.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    there are different meanings of the word forgive. If you simply mean "forgive" as in "give up resentment towards", he could forgive him. But if you mean "forgive" as in "pardon for an offense", you can't just pardon someone of an offense if they continue to offend. Sure, Spidey emotionally getting past Ben's murder would be great, but his ability to see Marko as a flawed, not evil, human being, despite his involvement in the greatest tragedy of Spidey's life, is just as important.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    i forgive the producers

    by christpunchers2007

    they gave us 2 really good movies and a disappointment for the 3rd. but sticking to the theme of this movie i will "forgive" them in hopes they do better next time.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    The POWER of Shia

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Rotten Tomatoes ratings:<P>Disturbia: 67%<P>Spider Man 3: 62%<P>BSB: 100% shits his pants.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST


    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    yes, Benard ther long lost butler with all the answers was revealed. Harry getting amnesia. etc etc etc etc It definitely jumped the shark.

  • May 5, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    that Butler scene was just creepy.

    by I Dunno

    "I loved your father as I love you. Since you were a child and I used to diaper you..." Weird. Harry should have forgave Peter without the contrived "his wounds came from his sled" thing. Bleh.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    the butler

    by christpunchers2007

    is horrible doing his job. harry wants him to pick up some food, he goes "for a guest? uh uh uh (mumbling) a guest's guest?".... heh i guess they couldnt come up with any better lines for him but they HAD to include more butler screentime so when he execute his deus ex machina near the end it feels like we've known the old man like our own granddads.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    No, listen...

    by zb.brox

    "Pardoning" isn't just a moral thing. It's saying "okay, I no longer hold you accountable for this action." however, I would sa it's more or less impossible to pardon someone for being a murderer when they continue to murder. Oh, sure, you could say "okay, you're forgiven" until they do it again, but at no point do they stop being a murderer. And for someone who's so concerned about splitting hairs, you're taking the definition of "impossible" pretty f'in seriously. You've done nothing at all to dissuade my point: If Marko had killed Ben without repenting and continued being an intentional and unmitigated killer, it would have been ludicrous to see Peter "forgive" him. He could have accepted it, he could have given up on his vengeance, he could have shown mercy, but he couldn't, and this is fundamental to the story, said "this guy did something wrong, but he's not worthless, he's trying to be better, and that makes him okay." And he HAS to be able to do that, because he has to be able to forgive himself for the things he's done wrong.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    pardoning isn't just a *legal* thing.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Brokeback SpiderMan!

    by Boomers_Lips

    even Tobey MaGuire said in an interview with EXTRA! that it seemed like Brokeback Mountain cause of all the kissing between him & Harry.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Did anyone notice the nod to Batman and Robin?

    by Forestal

    It was the entire movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    this movie needed some Daleks!

    by Boomers_Lips

    exterminate! exterminate!

  • May 5, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Sounds like crap

    by BurnHollywood

    Given that the critics were having wet, sticky orgasms over the second, (which stank, of course...when you dumb down a SF/Fantasy/comic movie to a critic's IQ, it always stinks) the fact that they're all simultaneously moaning about how much they wanted to like this movie indicates it's an utter waste. Peter Parker's a whiny pussy anyway.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by PirateEmery

    ...thank you, BSB. <P> Ah... now I can read my own writing, and include meaningful shit and stuff.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    this movie needed the writers from the 90's cartoon!

    by Boomers_Lips

    i liked the 1994 cartoon!

  • May 5, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    With so many negatives about the story...

    by Freefinger

    .. you all have to remeber that this wasn't an Oscar hope to be nominated movie for best story. It was Spiderman. <P>It wasn't perfect wee all admit to that, but from what Raimi had to do and include Venom when he didn't want him in there, I'm keeping my "thumbs up" and giving the film in general a good 8/10.<p>We can go on about what was wrong with the way too many characters, but at least Raimi didn't go all "Superman Returns" on this film and rip out the very soul that makes Spidey a great character.<P>The whole Peter dancing was basicaly to show us how the costume was reflecting on Pete's emotions and how he was being affected. It wasn't just to throw a dancing scene in there. I'm keeping to the "it could've ended up on the cutting room floor and I would've been happier" but it was still there. You gotta live with it.<P>I admit that I was expecting more of this film. But with all the characters, I still like it.<P>My beef with all of these Superhero movies is when they change them so much it basically becomes another character. Hulk - Gamma bomb replaced with Gamma rays in a lab and the fact that the monster was already living in him; Superman Returns - Spying on Lois, absolutely doing nothing at all as Clark for the whole 2 + hrs; X-Men 3 - everybody just dies for nothing. I mean come on, Raimi at least kept the spider bites, but made it more contemporary, and keeps Spidey's humor when he's fighting. I have to give him a thumbs up. There we're flaws, but not incredible mistakes. <P>I can live with that and say I'll be buying the dvd.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    How can you *possibly* accuse *me* of playing semantics when you run to the dictionary to avoid my point? But if you want to play that, then the AHD's third definition of "impossible" is "3. Unacceptable; intolerable:". In which case, I would find it UNACCEPTABLE for Spidey to "excuse(Sandman) for a fault or offense" (AHD "forgive" 1) without Sandman first regretting his decision to kill Ben.<br><br> Now, if you'd like to actually debate the point I made, rather than the language...

  • May 5, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    The "I forgive you" thing...

    by Freefinger

    I think you all mistook Peter saying "I forgive you" to Sandman for Ben's murder.<P>WRONG!<P>He forgave him for all the sand that ran up his crotch while fighting hi and gave him a sharp rash in that area.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Right, right...

    by zb.brox

    Just keep whining about my use of the word "impossible" instead of actually talking about the movie. It really makes your opinion on the film seem well-founded...

  • May 5, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    so the "black" Spiderman was evil? how racist!

    by Boomers_Lips

    i hope Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton dont see this movie!

  • May 5, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    More thrilling and emotional for me

    by ufoclub1977

    then the other two.... I've seen each only once (in the theater), and the other two irritated in a much larger percentage than this one. I almost feel like each movie has been a revision of the previous, with the second being devoid of passion, and the first missing a good villain or conflict or climax... but this third one seemed more solid and purposeful. I also hated the new Superman Returns and worship the solid mythical/emotional mood of the 1978 Superman which still stands in my mind as the best superhero movie. Robocop was a good one too. Batman Begins was good until the villain starts to enact his masterplan, which felt very undeveloped and flimsy. Back to Spiderman 3... an ending with character apologies and crying seemed so.... fresh and startling compared to the boring established trends of the last 7 years. but that's just how it hit me at this time.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    ultimately, the movie is targeted for kids & teens.

    by Boomers_Lips

    not adults, because the majority of the audience i was with were little kids and tweens.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    I told you what I meant. I meant it would be impossible to forgive Sandman without him asking for forgiveness. And by "forgive" I did NOT mean "give up resentment towards", because that would be possible. What would be IMpossible would be to change your opinion of him as a murderer, forgiving him for his actions. Now, you insisted I had to use YOUR definition of the word. That's fine, then I get to use MY definition of impossible. You're the one who brought in the fricking dictionary to debate a thematic element of a movie. Real slick.<br><br> If you want to argue the semantics of the point rather than the point itself, I don't care, because all it does is prove you don't HAVE a refutation of the point itself. <br><br>If you ever decide to get around to the film, explain to me how it would have been thematically superior for Sandman to have been an unrepentant killer when that would negate the parallel between Peter's mistake and Flint's mistake, thus eliminating Peter's growth in terms of his ability to forgive himself in the same way he forgave Flint. But, y'know, if you'd rather go read the dictionary and look for definitions of "discussion" that help you out, feel free.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    "I don't feel safe with my kids out in the streets...

    by PirateEmery

    ... because Spidey's black." <p> That goes over well, don't you think? Jeez, just one of the million lines that <b>should</b> have been cut.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    I'll be calling Doctors Die

    by huggerorange

    I'll be calling Doctors Die hard 4 and Transmformers to help me erase the memory of this heap.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    ... because Spidey's black."

    by christpunchers2007

    haha. and he robs people too! hey its okay the guy who delievered this line is a black dude, you know, double standards.

  • May 5, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    "my spidey sense is tingling if you know what i mean"!

    by Boomers_Lips

    when Venom said that line it got alot of laughs in the theater!

  • May 5, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Too much to hope that Brock can regenerate in 4?

    by Drath

    Because I thought his death was real tacky on the part of Raimi. He shortserved a character the fans wanted, even did a great job by him because--jeez--Topher Grace was creepy cool with those fangs and acid disposition (or I thought so), but then Raimi killed him so that he doesn't have to bring him back if he makes the fourth movie. I dare the producers to fire Raimi and get someone else to bring back Venom. I fear they'll get a Brett Rattner or a Tom Story, but I do think that Raimi fucked up. I'd dare him to bring back Brock and Venom if I thought he was capable, but I think he's found his limitations with the Spideyverse. I also thought the ending reconciliation with Sandman was ridiculously awkward after Sandman had just finished playing the role of Godzilla. All that stuff happens and then we get the silly "oh well actually I didn't mean for all this death, I just needed money for that daughter I had at the beginning of this movie." Nevermind that his involvement in the whole end of the movie was about revenge--not getting money anymore. Also I thought that Bernard's expalanation about Norman Osbourne was insane--Norman was stabbed by his own glider so it had to be suicide? That flawed logic was all it took to make Harry come around and help Peter again? All that and we never did get a reason for the quasi-supernatural way that Harry was seeing his father's Goblin self in the same mirror as Norman did. Harry even acted like he was possessed, but then the movie would have you believe he really did just have daddy issues. And then he got over them just like that. Why did Peter think he could even go to Harry for help at the end after blowing up his face? And why would Mary Jane not hate Harry more for forcing her to break Peter's heart for that lame "I'm stealing your girl" moment that went nowhere? Okay sure there was really no time for her to react to all that in the last act, but that's like one flaw too many in the central plot of the movie (and the Peter/MJ/Harry relationship definately was the heart of the movie). I'm not jazzed for things like I was at the end of Spider-Man 2. More I'm hoping they'll correct some mistakes like I was after X3. But then most of the are mistakes to things introduced in Spider-Man3, so it's not the big bad fuck up that X3 was. I'm sorry they didn't get at least one movie in where Harry Osbourne puts a bounty on Spider-Man's head and it attracts Kraven the Hunter. Too late for that now. Unless maybe if Brock as Venom faked his death at the end because he has a morphing ability and uses it to replace Harry Osbourne in the next movie. Wiat, Harry had a funeral. Fuck. Too late for the King Pin? We must still do the Gwen Stacy death with Venom now that Brock is her jilted ex-boy friend, he was just too delicious a villain, I cannot forgive tossing that aside. Did Peter and MJ even make up at the end of this movie? I couldn't tell, and I wasn't sure I wanted a reconciliation at the end of such an overstuffed finish. Dangit, I liked a lot of this movie--I think the first two had just as much soap opera and truthfully I think it was good soap opera, but I felt totally let down by the ending particularly since it realized such a great new villain--and I'm not even a Venom fan. I particularly liked Peter's Russian neighbors this time around, as out of place as they seemed. I loved the Bugle, and wish Betty would get more screen time. And as unimportant as Gwen and her father were, I liked them being here and would want more from the in the next movie. And Dr. Connors still has part of the symbiote--so that too could somehow bring back Venom! Not carnage, has to be Venom because it has to be Topher Grace again. I'm a believer, he was great like Alfred Molina's Dr. Octopus, and I just can't stand how that ended! I wish they'd done something with JJJ's astronaut son as a way to bring in the symbiote, as the meteor was silly, but they dropped the ball on that link too. Gaaah!! I see why the reviews are mixed, so much wasted potential, it's a shame this series wasn't like an HBO series with great production values so that all the stories could have had time to be developed properly. They could have made like three 13 episode seasons out of all three movies by now.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    how does venom know

    by christpunchers2007

    where to find sandman, and more importantly, about how daughter? i dont think the symbiote knew, because it only knew what parker knew before he got rid of it.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Good question, that scene could've been handled better. But, ultimately, Flint's escape wasn't a secret, Eddie could've done his research before looking for a partner. Poorly handled scene, but I don't think it killed the flick.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Betty and her Buzzer

    by Boomers_Lips

    that scene got alot of laughs in the theater!

  • May 5, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    SpiderMan:3 gets a "B-" from Yahoo! Movies

    by Boomers_Lips

    is that good?

  • May 5, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Here's my review.

    by JKrow21 Basically sums up the movie in a nut shell.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    I was checking my watch throughout

    by Colonel Kane

    a complete mess a failure

  • May 5, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    what were the trailers with SpiderMan 3?

    by Boomers_Lips

    i know there was Harry Potter, POTC: AWE, Surfs Up, and there is another one i cant remeber. it was about the 60's or something.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Jusr watched SP1

    by tile_mcgillus

    Fucking glorious! Despite some of the flaws that been pointed out over and over again on AICN it is so far ahead of SM3 its insane. The dialogue is fucking shakespearian in comparison. The amazing part is the actors and director wanted to be there, you could tell, they actually took themselves seriously. Tomorrow I am going to watch the awesomeness that is SM2 and wash the taste SM3 out of mouth permanently.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Mien Gott

    by Stuntcock Mike

    This movie stunk. Jeez, I didn't actually expect to hear booing and heckling.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    thanks Ranma627!

    by Boomers_Lips

    i too was confused about why they put that with SpiderMan. i even thought that we were in the wrong theater room. when i entered the room the Harry Potter trailer was already playing.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    "Across the Universe." WTF?

    by I Dunno

    I thought it was a Beatles biography at first then it got all psychedelic and Bollywood. As Slater would say, "You couldn't handle that on strong acid, man".

  • May 5, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    I would RIM JOB Harry Knowles...

    by Colonel Kane

    to avoid having to watch this movie ever again.... Even after Harry attended an all day Chili Cook-off!

  • May 5, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    "nothings gunna change my world"

    by Boomers_Lips

    ok i saw the trailer again at imdb, and wtf. towards the end it got all freaky.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    why SpiderMan 3 smelled so bad.

    by Boomers_Lips

    Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character." That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    I don't know if anyone else pointed this out...

    by jsm1978

    ...but the one thing that really bugged me about the movie was... "Hi, I'm Eddie Brock, the new guy" and no one knew who he was when they mentioned him in the first movie. They definitely should have saved Venom for the next movie. Gwen was an odd choice to add at this point. Maybe it should have been Felicia Hardy instead and set up for a Black Cat appearance? Emo Peter was ridiculous. Aside from that, I really liked the movie, and my wife (who only knows Spidey from the movies) thought it was great. I think the "Return of the Jedi" comparison is fairly valid... and will say there are MUCH worse movies to be compared to. The "Batman and Robin" comparison is insulting.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    I loved it!

    by mr. brownstone

    It was the funniest and most emotional one. It felt like pure Raimi. I really got into Sandman. Venom was freaky. The Harry plot line was my favorite in the series. My only complaints were that jazz club scene and those kids saying "wicked cool". Those parts were embarrassing.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    venoms low tone voice

    by christpunchers2007

    was pretty good.... but i didnt like the puppy dog yelping noises that he made.... he needs to be more snail like, heh but im glad they didnt TOTALLY kill him off... i dont think eddie brock is dead yet, if they bring back venom with a new director it may turn out to be excellent but if they go with carnage then there would be no hope in this world.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    how did Eddie Brock not die?

    by Boomers_Lips

    they showed his skeleton bursting when SpiderMan threw one of the Goblin's bombs at the Symbiote.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    it's really Avi Arad & Laura Ziskin's fault!

    by Boomers_Lips

    Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character." That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared. "Well, my brother and I had written in the story about another woman that recognized Peter and knew who he was at this dinner and that Mary Jane got jealous of her," Raimi said. "But Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Let's make it Gwen.' And I said, 'I don't think I should, because, ... really, Gwen was introduced before Mary Jane in the comic books, and now I'm introducing her later, and ... she's not even in high school anymore. She's in college. And I'm afraid if I introduce Gwen, the fans will have all these expectations, which we're not going to deliver in this picture.' And she said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'" Raimi said he considered the suggestion. "After much soul-searching, I thought, 'Maybe it's true. I've already screwed up the order, and I've already started the Mary Jane [storyline] first,'" Raimi said. "'Whenever [Gwen's] introduced, she'll be introduced in the wrong order. I might as well give the fans the introduction to Gwen.' So I took her advice and named her Gwen Stacy and therefore connected her to a policeman who had been on the periphery of the scenes [and became her father, Capt. Stacy, played by James Cromwell]. Made a little stronger relationship between them but, not much, just enough to be true to the fact that she was his daughter. That's about all." As he has discussed previously, Raimi added that it was Arad's idea to add the villain Venom to the mix. "Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough,'" Raimi said. "'You need to think about them. You've made two movies now with your favorite villains, and now you're about to make another one with your favorite villains. The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite. All Spider-Man readers love Venom, and even though you came from '70s Spider-Man, this is what the kids are thinking about. Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.' And so that's really where I realized, 'OK, maybe I don't have the whole Spider-Man universe in my head. I need to learn a little bit more about Spider-Man and maybe incorporate this villain to make some of the real die-hard fans of Spider-Man finally happy.'" Spider-Man 3 opens May 4.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    I just read that article. I fucking feel sick. Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin fucking ruined that movie. Sounds like Sam and Ivan had a great and tight movie planned. Good idea Avi, fuck with the genius that made Spiderman so great. Real fucking smart. I hope Avi and Laura get the VD! ARRGHH!

  • May 5, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    sorry if my last post was too long.

    by Boomers_Lips

    im very passionate about this, or really drunk.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I dunno

    by christpunchers2007

    but SM4 is rumored to have somebody who died in sm3 to return, i dont believe it could be harry. Probably brock. Hmm i didnt see brock's skeleton, i have to rewatch it again.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    its not too far fetch that the symbiote left in conner's lab could still be freed. maybe it'll find a way to regenerate eddie brock. you never know.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    MY GOD !

    by spiderknight1102

    Bunch of friggin cry babys, Wow how dare Sam Raimi make a film that does not live up to your expectations, I mean what was he thinking. It seems like everyone here jumps on the bandwagon and goes along with pretty much everything else. People are actually writing that the movie was unwatchable. Get real it had really great moments and some moments that did just not work does that mean that the entire thing sucks , NO . And if you dont agree then show Sam up and make a better movie , go ahead get off your asses , move out of your moms basement , stop wacking off to internet porn and work your asses off to make a better movie , you all seem to be the gods of cinema , so prove it

  • May 5, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    It looked to me...

    by zb.brox you could see Brock's skeleton through his flesh, you didn't see his skeleton just fall to the ground like in Spidey-1. Then Spidey looks away, and when he looks back there's symbiote writhing on the floor.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Anyone else upset at the Venom MASK?

    by McGsStepson

    I know the symbiote could shape shift but the amount of damn times he revealed Eddie Brock's face to deliver lines was fucking ridiculous and distracting and just lame.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST


    by WoodyStiffer

    Too many storylines. This film was a mess. It's too bad, I was looking forward to this one, but my fears proved true - too many baddies to write in - along with the ever-annoying Mary Jane drama. This film was a franchise-killer.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST


    by slappy jones

    you are the fucking worst kind of talk backer...the whole point of these sites and forums is for people to talk about films...whther they lioked them or not...I might order a pizza that tastes likes shit should I open my own fucking pizza joint too?? give it a break you fucking idiot...we are allowed opinions...mine is you're a cock.

  • May 5, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    oh and apparently 59 million dollar opening day

    by slappy jones

    in one day. 59 million. insane.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Slappy Jones

    by spiderknight1102

    What happend did my post hit a little too close to home , FUCK YOU ASS ! , I have no problem with anyone having an opinion, but that is all that it is, I totally agree that this forum is used to discuss what did and did not work in films , I dont like whiny bitches who cry about how they were robbed of something , and yes if you were complaing about that pizza you bought as much as some of the people on this post were about the movie I would say get the Fuck over it and some constructive advice or get in your own damn kitchen and make it yourself

  • May 5, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST


    by Lucasblows

    I agree with Slappy Jones. You're a cock. Sam Raimi made alot of mistakes. Period. It's not like because you don't make movies you don't know how to spot what's wrong with them and what doesn't work. He crammed too much into 2 1/2 hours, plus he never liked Venom and it shows. But I suppose if seeing a lot of great moments strung together by a bunch of moments that don't work is your kind of movie, to each his own.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    and one more thing Spiderknight...

    by Lucasblows's funny you attack the people in the same Talkback you're writing in. Idiot.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST


    by spiderknight1102

    Dude I am not saying the movie is perfect or even great , I just think it really deserves this kind of assault that it is getting by everyone here, It is still a far cry better then almost every other comic book movie out there

  • May 5, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST


    by christpunchers2007

    theres a reason why its called a talkback, the movie fell way below expectations after the first 2, if poeple want to point out what was wrong and could be improved, then let them. dont worry, even though this thing will not have great legs, it will guarantee a sequel and you will still get your spidey swinging by an american flag.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Re: one more thing

    by spiderknight1102

    Ass I am not attacking everyone , alot of people have really good opinons that I agree with , its the other ones that are getting to dramatic with it , I think its funny that you guys have a problem with me having an opinion about people having an opinion, isnt that the same thing your complaining about me doing

  • May 5, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Marvel Announces Tarantino to direct Spider-Man 4

    by McGsStepson

    With Parker Stevenson as Arcade and Burt Reynolds as Kraven. Could be cool.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by spiderknight1102

    Dude love the name by the way , This is actually the first time I am writing in to this forum , I did not know how testy the waters were. If I offended anyone I apologize for the offense

  • May 5, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    I have an opinion about Spiderknight...

    by Lucasblows

    Dude... learn to spell and punctuate. It's like reading the ramblings of a retarded three year old. Periods end sentences. There, I've started you on your way.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    dont apologize

    by christpunchers2007

    you dont need to say sorry, blame the film makers for allowing such a lousy script to be put on the big screen. when dark peter said "double pay" for the job, he meant it. if sm4 ever wants him he'll demand a lot more money.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST


    by spiderknight1102

    I did not know that our post were being graded Mr. Lucasblows. Did you take out your red pen for that. Seriously though I reread my original post and I admit I did come off somehwhat COCK like. Much apologies

  • May 5, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST


    by Lucasblows

    "I did not know that our post were being graded Mr. Lucasblows. Did you take out your red pen for that? Seriously though I reread my original post and I admit I did come off somewhat COCK like. Much apologies."

  • May 5, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    "I did not know that our post were being graded, Mr. Lucasblows. Did you take out your red pen for that? Seriously though, I re-read my original post and I admit I did come off somewhat COCK-like. Much apologies.""<br><br>Lucasblows, if you're gonna act like an ass and piss on people's punctuation, maybe you should move on from "periods end sentences" to the "commas and hyphens" section of your workbook. Seriously, dude, if you're gonna be a smartass, don't forget the "smart".

  • May 5, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    More on Arad fucking up Spidey 3

    by SilentP

    From Sci-Fi Wire: "Spider-Man 3 writer/director Sam Raimi told SCI FI Wire that he thought about introducing the new villain Venom in this sequel and continuing the story in a possible fourth film, but ultimately decided the entire story should be told in one movie. "I thought it would be unfair to [the fans]," he said of breaking the storyline up. The consequence of that decision is that fans may have to wait a bit to see the full-fledged supervillain in all his glory in Spider-Man 3.<p> The Venom storyline is one of only three main stories in the third installment of the webslinger franchise. In it, Peter Parker becomes affected by an alien symbiote, which turns his suit black, before it is rejected and migrates to Peter's romantic and professional rival, Eddie Brock (Topher Grace), who then transforms into Venom.<p> "So the very nature of that story demands that you either do it [as] two [parts], if you want to spend more time with Venom, which I didn't think was fair to the audience, to the fans of Spider-Man," or that you do it all at once and introduce Venom fairly late, Raimi said in a news conference. "I thought about it, I really did. And I kept reading the fans' e-mails that [producer] Avi [Arad] would send me—'They'd better not just introduce him to tease us!' ... I felt that the fans didn't want that, from the thousands of e-mails that were sent me."<p> Raimi added: "Avi said, 'You're not giving me what I asked you.' ... He said, 'They want Venom. Just give them Venom already!' So I said 'OK.' But, obviously, through the very nature of it, he's only going to be in half an act or one act [at the end of the film]. I'll just make it as thorough and the best that I can [and] deliver Venom in the most complete way that I understand the fans might want him. That was my desire. I was led there." Spider-Man 3 opens May 4 in conventional theaters and in IMAX."<p> I liked the movie, btw, but still, that kind of shit is always annoying to hear about.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST


    by jae683

    Why wasn't Bryce Dallas Howard not cast as MJ in the beginning? She seems to fit that part far better than Kirsten Dunst.

  • May 5, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    And verb/noun agreement, too, can't believe I missed that. Lucky I don't give a damn about people's grammar on a talkback...

  • May 5, 2007, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Batman Forever?

    by Damer1

    Anyone who can say that they liked that stinking hunk of dookie with a straight face is a better actor than I am.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    The most annoying/frustrating thing is...

    by SilentP

    back when we all thought Sandman was going to be the only villain, before we heard anything about the black suit/venom, nobody was really that upset. A couple of morons were shouting "I want Venom, boo hoo!" but for the most part, we trusted Raimi to make something good, and even without a bigger villain like Venom, we knew the movie would still involve Harry as the new Green Goblin in some way or another, so we had good reason to think it was gonna be awesome. Grrarrgghh.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST


    by Lucasblows

    I was only attacking someone who was acting like an ass. As for your attack on me, you're right I should have caught those mistakes. But, lucky for me, it takes more than a guy who apparently lives in this talkback to offend me.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST

    One thing saved this film from being a total disaster.

    by darthbinks1220

    Tobey Travolta strutting down 5th, baby. You should be dancin' yeah! (tears welling) Brings back memories...... of Stallone's Stayin' Alive. :(

  • May 6, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Lucasblows: Lucas has a god complex.

    by darthbinks1220

    Still, he was partially responsible for the perfection that is Raiders. Bow before king George! :)

  • May 6, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST


    by Lucasblows

    My name really refers mainly to Prequel and Special Edition George. Raiders is one of my favorite movies. But, I fear for the 4th Installment.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    A Spiderman at peace...

    by readingwriter boring. A Spiderman with Mary Jane at his side, etc.? The point of drama, especially melodrama (which is what comicbook-based movies are, and that's not an insult) is conflict. Take away Spiderman being in conflict with BEING a superbeing, and take away his conflict with living the life of a regular person, and you've got, well, DC. (At least the DC of decades ago.) Why would you want to remove the most basic of conflicts, which were with the character from the beginning? Why reduce Mary Jane to the lil' woman telling Spidey to be careful as he swings away to win the day (which he will, always, in these movies, after his origin-necessary failure to save the one person he wanted to save, Uncle Ben)?

  • May 6, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    I don't care *why* you attacked him, I care *how* you attacked him. If you'd actually responded to what he'd said I wouldn't give a damn, but people who "respond" to people they disagree with by completely ignoring what they're saying and making pointless insults annoy me. As for "living in this talk back", if you don't have the capacity to work on a book, watch a DVD, comfort your sick fiance', and still poke your nose in to spend two-seconds pointing out the idiotic actions of people who can't have a civil discussion, that's fine, but I do, and I don't feel particularly ashamed of it.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Harry Connick, Jr. for Carnage

    by CarbonGhost

    Copycat sold me

  • May 6, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST

    hooray! people will make fun of me now!

    by jajar4life

    seriously -- i don't get the sm3 backlash. the worst thing about sm2 -- sigh, i can already hear people bitchin' about this post-- was that sm3 couldn't and wouldn't be as good. no way, no how. sm2 raised the bar for all comic book films to a simply unattainable height. and don't give me any of the crap about batman begins raising it even further -- puh-lease. they are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GENRES. Batman is a normal human being. He's a detective. He's a genius. He's SERIOUS. On the other hand, Peter Parker is not a normal human being. He sticks to wallks. He has super-human strength. He has "spidey senses." He wears a MUCH, MUCH more colorful outfit than batman. Yeah, he's a genius, but in NO WAY is he serious, a la Batman. Spider-Man is a fun, hip, melodramatic, soap-operatic, insanely campy and insanely over-the-top character. He is a SPIDER-MAN. Not just a dude who started dressing like a spider to instill fear in the hearts of his enemies, but a REAL SPIDER-MAN -- super powers and all. And, dear talkbackers, I would love to hear why ghostrider, daredevil, elektra, the punisher (not the og one, which rocked), blade trinity, x3, spawn, hellboy any other pile of recent comic-book trash is better than spidey 3. now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to my world of warcraft tournament.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST


    by darthbinks1220

    "Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods"? .....Should be called "Indiana Jones and the Fountain of Lost Youth". lol

  • May 6, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    and this movie was more of a spider-man movie than the last two combined. everyone that complained about the heart, slow-pace, and mushiness of sm2 should be enthralled with this film. ciao.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Animal Structure

    by darthbinks1220

    Venom WAS cool as shit, as long as you don't miss him during a restroom break. :P

  • May 6, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST


    by darthbinks1220

    Our AICN talkbacker names mutually admire the greatest character of the saga-- more jokes in a moment.......:P

  • May 6, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    jarjar rocks, and he's an insanely better actor than samuel l. jackson. he truly was the sanjaya of the prequel triology, and, in retrospect, he was the only character with a personality.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    He would make a funny sith.

    by darthbinks1220

    What would be his force power(s)?

  • May 6, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 4 news right here.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz <BR> They are saying the next one will have Carnage and the Lizard. <BR> <BR> Not sure how reliable this site is but they seem to be pretty sure.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    his force power...

    by jajar4life

    farting -- what else?

  • May 6, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    P U SA

    by darthbinks1220


  • May 6, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    and getting people to explain just why in the hell batman begins is so great? no, seriously -- i don't get it. it's a standard action flick. why so special? was it because nolan decided not to use a neon color scheme and nipples on the batsuit? gilbert godfried should have been the joker. or gary busey. WEAK!

  • May 6, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Jajar, maybe it's because

    by darthbinks1220

    compared to Schumacher's "Batman Forever" & "Batman and Robin", it's Citizen Kane.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST


    by The Only Woj

    Exhibit B: Producers Beefed Up Spidey 3 Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character." That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared. "Well, my brother and I had written in the story about another woman that recognized Peter and knew who he was at this dinner and that Mary Jane got jealous of her," Raimi said. "But Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Let's make it Gwen.' And I said, 'I don't think I should, because, ... really, Gwen was introduced before Mary Jane in the comic books, and now I'm introducing her later, and ... she's not even in high school anymore. She's in college. And I'm afraid if I introduce Gwen, the fans will have all these expectations, which we're not going to deliver in this picture.' And she said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'" Raimi said he considered the suggestion. "After much soul-searching, I thought, 'Maybe it's true. I've already screwed up the order, and I've already started the Mary Jane [storyline] first,'" Raimi said. "'Whenever [Gwen's] introduced, she'll be introduced in the wrong order. I might as well give the fans the introduction to Gwen.' So I took her advice and named her Gwen Stacy and therefore connected her to a policeman who had been on the periphery of the scenes [and became her father, Capt. Stacy, played by James Cromwell]. Made a little stronger relationship between them but, not much, just enough to be true to the fact that she was his daughter. That's about all." As he has discussed previously, Raimi added that it was Arad's idea to add the villain Venom to the mix. "Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough,'" Raimi said. "'You need to think about them. You've made two movies now with your favorite villains, and now you're about to make another one with your favorite villains. The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite. All Spider-Man readers love Venom, and even though you came from '70s Spider-Man, this is what the kids are thinking about. Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.' And so that's really where I realized, 'OK, maybe I don't have the whole Spider-Man universe in my head. I need to learn a little bit more about Spider-Man and maybe incorporate this villain to make some of the real die-hard fans of Spider-Man finally happy.'"

  • May 6, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    I agree. And, compared to the majority of comic book films out there, sm3 is ALSO CITIZEN KANE -- it just ain't sm1 or sm2.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    the only woj...

    by jajar4life

    blame him if you want, but people would have bitched and moaned if it was just spidey, harry, mj and sandman. in fact, i distinctly remember people complaining about how they didn't want another goblin re-hash in part 3, after harry discovered the goblin chamber in sm2. this is CLEARLY a no win, catch-22 type of situation. this movie was going to be ripped apart, regardless of the route it took.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Facts Spiderman 3 (and this talkback) taught me...

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    1. Bryce Dallas Howard sucks! Are you kidding me, some of you found her hot? Fugly bitch, who just looked good to you because Dundst is fucking hideous. And FUCK NEPOTISM! 2.Dance numbers in a superhero movie are bullshit. A few assholes love the "Raindrops" shit in Spidey 2, and Raimi ran with it. Reminded me of the awful Johnny Storm song "Flame On" from the FF animated show, but at least that shit is funny. Any of you assholes supporting the fucking dancing in this movie just get in line for Dancing with the Fucktards, right now! 3.Zb.brox is a serious jerkoff. Agreed with almost nothing you said and you were 100% wrong on all the people you beefed with. 4.X3, Daredevil, and almost all of Hulk were better than this pile of shit. And when did Spidey 2 become the litmus test for superhero sequels?? X2, that was the fucking best superhero sequel. Spidey 2 had MANY flaws. And Batman Begins blows all this Marvel shit away, for you haters. FF2 will be better than Spider-man 3. Ghost Rider was mediocre at best, but I'd sit through that 10 more times before I watched this turd again. 5. Butlers are fucking creepy. I loved your dad and I loved you? Make my bed, have my meals prepared and that's pretty much it for me. Batman and Alfred pressed this "relationship" almost to the breaking point. But at least Alfred was established as more than a butler.....field medic, mechanic, semi master of disguise, etc. Enter fucking Osborne butler, who has sat on his little nugget of info for how long now? And he is of course a forensic expert, because he can tell by dressing daddys wounds that they were caused by Normie himself? 6. Pirates 3 should OWN this movie. Don't just post here, tell everyone you know that Spider-man 3 SUCKED. I know I will. And in the event that Pirates 3 sucks, well, up yours, cause it can't be as bad as the shit I sat through tonight. 7.This is gonna be a fun talkback for a few weeks at least. I almost want to see this piece of shite again with a notepad to jot down all the laughable nonsense. If I do, bet your ass I'm buying a ticket for another fucking movie. No way they get anymore money out of me to add to the totals. I hope Pirates 3 kicks its ass this summer. Fuck, I hope a re-release of Ishtar kicks it ass. This movie SUCKED. If you think otherwise, you're an idiot. I am extremely tired, drunk and angry at this film at the moment, so I do reserve the right to waffle on some of these points, and possibly contradict myself when I bring up new points. but, hey ain't that why we waste our time at this place?

  • May 6, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST


    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...who clamored for Venom. Maybe blame the fans for whom Sandman just wasn't enough, because Venom or no, Raimi was going to use Sandman as the main villain. Be careful what you wish for I guess? I personally despise anything that idiot McFarlane came up with and always preferred the original rogues gallery, so don't blame me...

  • May 6, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Emo Spidey???

    by slipfan55

    ok so i went to see spider man 3 at midnight, all hyped up with my comic book store. *special screening on a screen bigger than imax* i will admit this movie was eh. thats just it eh. it was okay, but eh. action scenes were great, acting was good, venom and sandman were terrific, but i wanted more!!!! Raimi, what the hell? I really dont think Venom is dead personally. There's still some of it at Dr. Conners lab. And i'm pissed that Raimi 'killed' Venom. If youre doing a spider man film, aren't you supposed to take an interest in the characters? Venom was shut off to the side. hopefully he'll be back in 4, with a different director. another thing that was wrong with this film, the whole movie was compact and didn't have room to breathe. too much stuff going on at once, like x3 *i enjoyed that film* raimi should have made the film 3 hours long, busted a Return of the King on us and add more character development. i know he wanted to go out with a bang, but this was just a loud fart. ill get this on dvd cause i enjoyed seeing venom in the film, i finally got what i wanted but i wanted more. but ya, the whole Emo spidey was completely unnessassary, it was just plain dumb, though i will admit i laughed my ass off when peter was trying to get pussy. so there were some great parts and bad parts but it should have been better. this is in no way a bad film, but it should have been an awesome one. peter jackson, put Halo aside and come direct Spidey 4.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    "Ghost Rider was mediocre at best, but I'd sit through that 10 more times before I watched this turd again." Clearly, you are deaf and blind. "Pirates 3 should OWN this movie" What the hell does pirates 3 have to do with this film? they are completely different genres. "And in the event that Pirates 3 sucks, well, up yours, cause it can't be as bad as the shit I sat through tonight." Oh, really? Well, if Pirates 2 is any indication, it will be as bad -- if not, worse. 30 minutes of pirates falling down a cliff in a wooden orb. 20 minutes of elizabeth crying in the rain. 2 houurs of jack and that other dude no one cares about running around some circle thing playing with their swords. what in the sam hell was that garbage? dude, pirates 2 sucked. it just came out in an abysmal movie summer -- much like the first one did. let's see how it fares against spidey 3, transformers, shrek 3 (which -- let's face it -- WILL bank the most money) and potter 5. "Fuck, I hope a re-release of Ishtar kicks it ass." Agreed. That would be the bomb-diggity doo! "X3, Daredevil, and almost all of Hulk were better than this pile of shit. " Dude, you should have thrown in Freddy Got Fingered, for good measure.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:09 a.m. CST


    by Spidey3SUCKED

    I think Todd was GENIUS for about 10 years there. Longer than Liefeld, for sure. Venom was an AWESOME creation and was fucking great to read a Spider-man comic fan. His "SPAWN" (tee fucking hee), Carnage was almost as much fun. It was when Venom and Brock became an "anti-hero" that he became a joke. Almost as funny as me ordering fucking gold pressed copies of Venom #1 and all the other Venom shit Marvel hooked me into. But as far as Todd goes, Spawn was awesome for awhile, is that shit even published anymore? I think of Todd today, I think of cool "action figures" and someone who payed WAY too much for a worthless, juiced up baseball. And fuck Barry Bonds and his bullshit Home Run chase by the way. But back to McFarlane, what does he do these days?

  • May 6, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    re: slipfan55...

    by jajar4life

    "peter jackson, put Halo aside and come direct Spidey 4." For the love of god and everything that is pure and sacred -- NO. Peter jackson made one good, loooooooong movie about some elves and hobbit things. other than that, he has made absolute crap, with Kong Kong taking its place as the proverbial corn within.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Jar jar

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    I will, of course, forego the fact that you chose a name after the worst clusterfuck of a character in movie history. Maybe that was your point, not really the point. You make valid points about Pirates, I am a comic book fan, so I probably approach a spider-man movie with more baggage than the pirates movie. Pirates 3 has to do with what movie will own the summer box office this year, period. Forget the genre. and you may be right about shrek 3 killin them both, I've been playing a box office game for years now, and it still surprises me the shit that hits big. (Wild Hogs, Norbit, etc.) Transformers, IMO, is the mystery of the summer. It can hit HUGE, or just tank. I can't wait to see what happens with that one. Harry Potter, sure i'll see it, but as a 30 something who likes the books, the shit they are cutting is starting to annoy me more with each movie. But the kids drive that box office. I'm rooting for die hard 4, though Ithink thats a dead horse, i'm thinking Pixar might have its first turd on its hands. Otherwise, fuck Surfs Up, (yeah penguins, we get it), no way Evan Almighty turns a profit, and I hope Oceans 13 exceeds expectations.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    re: McFarlane

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Correction: Venom was co-created by Todd McFarlane with writer David Michelenie. I know McFarlane was a fan favorite, but I thought he was overrated. He masked his sub-par smurfish cartoony penciling skills with over-the-top inking and his writing sucked. Yes, I think McFarlane's legacy to mankind is paying 100 billion dollars for a phony McGwire ball. And who cares what McFarlane's doing now (in a kayak in SF bay waiting for the Bonds ball?), as long as he stays away from comic books.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:26 a.m. CST

    P Jackson

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Huge LOTR film fan, thought it was fantastic start to finish. As far as him making absolute crap other than that, you may be right. I do have an unreasonable fondness for the Frighteners though.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    a word about pirates 3

    by jajar4life

    OK, i dig the pirates films. Granted, the last one was lame, but johnny can make even the crappiest of films watchable. I am, however, sick of all the "pirates 3 will crush this film" bs. I'm calling it now: pirates 3 will get lost in the mix this summer. the first two films cam out in summers that were completely devoid of any film worth watching. yes, pirates1 came out the same summer as x2 and matrix reloaded...2 months after those films were released. other than that, did anything else come out that horrendous summer of '03? no. And, last year, did anything come out at all? Superman Returns was a dud, and that was the only film that stood a chance of rivaling pirates 2. did you guys honestly think that Stick It and Little Miss Sunshine were going to give pirates 2 any competition? right. Everything's about timing in Hollywood. Spidey 3 has 2 full weeks to bank before Shrek 3 comes out. Then, pirates 3 comes out week later, and, then, EVVVEERYTHING comes out after that. die hard 4, rush hour 3, potter 5, simpsons, oceans 44 2/3, bourne, ff2 -- you name it, it's coming out. Pirates' chances of mopping up on an otherwise crappy summer are SLIM TO NONE this year, simply because this summer won't be crappy (at least not on paper). And, for the record, Spidey 3 did rock. It didn't take itself serious, it DIDNT re-hash old crap, and it tried to entertain. The dude shoots webbing out of his arms. Honestly, did you expect Casablanca?

  • May 6, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Please, don't bother calling me out like that unless you actually have something to say.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Spidey3SUCKED, part 2...

    by jajar4life

    "I'm rooting for die hard 4, though Ithink thats a dead horse" I'm hearing it has a PG-13 rating, which, in fact = DEAD HORSE. Believe me, man -- I wanted that one to rock. And about Transformer. There is NO movie I'm rooting harder for than that one. But, Spielberg is heavily involved with it, so it should turn out awesome. Rip on the big spiel all you want -- he's my all-time fav director, just so you know -- but transformers is the type of '80s thing he'd totally pimp out. So far, it looks REEEEDONK. Can't wait. frighteners was cool. mj fox is the man!

  • May 6, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST


    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Calling you out? We meeting in a fight club, in the ocatagon? I just spent 6 hours almost thinking and reading opinions on a movie that sucked ass. 2 things came through, the movie sucked, and so do your opinions. THATS what I have to say. Get Bent.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:41 a.m. CST

    See, this is what I'm talking about.

    by zb.brox

    You're not saying anything. "Your opinions suck." Well, gee, okay. You're opinions suck back. Boy, glad we got that accomplished. I feel enlightened by this discussion, I'm glad that your six hours reading this talkback brought you to this productive place. Jeeze. If you're gonna bother mentioning my name, I'd damn well hope you're going to say something I can give a crap about. This was disappointing.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Spidey3SUCKED, dude...

    by jajar4life

    As hardcore comic book fan, you didn't like it. That's perfectly understandable and I respect that. But, OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING, the general public will love this film -- yes? Especially 'lil tykes. They were eating it up when I saw it.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    Did you like spider-man 3? If so, why? Please discuss in 500 words or less, 12-point font, 1-inch margins.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST


    by Spidey3SUCKED

    Did I expect Spidey to be Casablanca? No. But I do have certain expectations about comic book movies. Like, I didn't expect Batmans "secret' identity to be revealed to (at least) 4 people in Batman Forever. And I had problems with the Spiderman 2 scene where 30 people on the train saw him without his mask. it's a secret fucking identity, wise up film makers.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:59 a.m. CST

    peter's identity

    by jajar4life

    His mask fell off during the battle. Do you honestly think any of those people knew who the hell he was? It's the NYC, baby. Millions of people, and peter is an absolute nobody. However, if Bruce Wayne lost his mask, obviously he'd be very recognizable.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    is why batman forever sucked. never should neon pink be a color pallet in a batman film.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    I liked it. I thought its major flaw was in putting so many plot threads together that none achieved the emotional momentum that was built in Spider-Man 2. My reaction was similar to my reaction to X2, which had some dazzling highs in the first half, but became rather boring after Magneto's escape. In this case, there were some brilliant highs--the birth of Sandman, for example, which was a fantastic sequence all on its own, even entirely out of context. I also thought the dance sequence was a brilliant move on Raimi's part. It was the kind of scene that would only work in a Raimi Spider-Man movie--slightly surreal, but in some ways extraordinarily emotionally authentic; hilarious, but at the same time serving a definitive structural purpose in the film. It took guts, and it worked, and I was very happy to see a *different* way of portraying a character falling to the dark side. If we'd seen another rehash of the old "hero suffers and falls to the dark side, becoming a whiny but sexy badass in the process". The emphasis on how becoming a jerk made Peter far LESS appealing was refreshing. The Harry/Peter/MaryJane arc concluded plot threads that were among my favorites in the previous two films, and pretty satisfactorily. Further, I felt like they nailed the thematic elements they were reaching for. Superhero stories, classically, are morality plays on one level or another. This one did a great job of showing how revenge leads you to disregard what makes other people human, blinds you to their good qualities, and keeps you from accepting your own failures. I was also impressed by how well the various plot threads all wove around the theme—Sandman providing a motive for Pete’s vengeance, the suit acting as a catalyst for his aggression, Harry and Peter and MaryJane’s shared crimes that they have to look past to survive, Eddie’s obsession with revenge turning him into a monster—they all manage to wrap neatly around the movie’s message. The movie also introduced some likable minor characters—Gwen Stacy, who was more or less perfect in the small role she was given, and Eddie Brock who provided a wit that the movies have lacked up to this point—as well as giving you ever more entertaining scenes with the supporting cast at the Bugle. The movie clearly had flaws. Some scenes fell slightly flat, and at times it was hard to distinguish intentional comedy from cheese (Spidey landing in front of the flag? Intentionally over the top, or just over the top? Hard to tell, funny either way). Overall, as I said, the impact of what should have been moving and exciting scenes toward the end was dulled by the overabundance of different threads. The whole was less than the sum of its parts, and it fell below the level of the previous, more tightly focused, films. And that puts me to more or less 500 words.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    talked to a friend who worked closely on sm3

    by Jon E Cin

    I thought it was Avi Arads fault but apparantly from what I was told Raimi had almost complete freedom and could basically do whatever he wanted without anyone telling him no. My friend had some interesting things to say. "The original story was suppose to have THE VULTURE as the only villian." "Then he got a crazy idea of bringing Sandman in but that would mean crazy sand effects that would take forever so The Vulture got trashed." "Raimi then realized Sandman wasnt a bad ass enough bad guy thats when he brought in Venom." (apparantly the venom cgi costume was trashed twice before putting it back). "The script was never officially done and he kept changing major plot lines throughout the production process." "Nobody thought the bar dancing sequence was going to make it into the final cut." "Avi Arad only visited the set a few times and had little to do with the production process."

  • May 6, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Xmen 3 was way fucking better than spiderman 3

    by Warcraft

    Hate them both if you will, but stop with the "it's not as bad as x3" shit. spiderman 3 fucking failed on every level. fuck this shit.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:09 a.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Why do you think X3 was better than Spidey 3?

  • May 6, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    zb.brox, i was...

    by jajar4life

    just kidding about the 500-word essay. either way, i dug the analysis and agreed with a lot of it.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    I know

    by zb.brox

    But responding to that question was a lot more interesting than reading more "OMFG, this movie sucked and anyone who liked it sucked!" posts. Glad you dug it.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:13 a.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    Did you see How to Eat Fried Works? If so, did you like it?

  • May 6, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    In X3's defense, it had a different team working it,

    by Warcraft

    where as sm3 had the same fucking team and they ruined it. I'm sorry, but X3 wins. I'm too tired to go over it though.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    X3 totally better than S3

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    and with that off to bed. to dream of smackin zb.brox in the mouth. or probably not. pretty much definitely not.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Saw it tonight in IMAX and I liked it...

    by Zardoz

    I pretty much agree with Mori on this one: fun movie, with great SFX eye-candy and INCREDIBLE action scenes, but the plot and the characters are pretty weak. Still, it works despite its flaws and the crowd I saw it with seemed to like it a lot, too. (Probably one of the more somber and downbeat endings I've seen of any major film series, especially for a final act in a trilogy; that took a lot of guts, I'm sure.) Still, I had a fun time, and really, the IMAX presentation is SO SWEET! (Definitely see it in IMAX, it's worth it, trust me!) Go see it, just keep your expectations low and remember, it's just a comic-book movie...Peace!

  • May 6, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I don´t see much difference between the 3 movies

    by CuervoJones

    Spiderman movies are just ok. That´s not bad.

  • May 6, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 3.1


    We are currently in the process of creating Spiderman 3.1, which despite the general aceness of the original wll most definitely be an improvement. Until the project is complete here are some exclusive behind-the-scenes making of vids. Raimi needed $300 million. We needed a tenner and a few beers. 'Nuff said. Part 1 - Part 2 - Z

  • May 6, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST


    by cryptmagic

    The movie was 2 hours and 20 minutes, but over an hour was bullshit scenes. Do we need to see Tobey, dancing, buy a suit, and doing some gay stuff hoping to atrract girls? Thier is no plot, just a bunch of ideas turned into a movie. At the end of the movie, i couldnt wait for it to end. Who cares about the FX, when you dont feel hooked to the story. People were making fun of some of the scenes in the movie theater.

  • May 6, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Betty and the Buzzer

    by emeraldboy

    was the only highlight of the movie. very funny as was Bruce campbell's french waiter. otherwise a dreadful. I feel a sobbing session coming on....

  • May 6, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    If you take the film, mirror it, flip it upside down...

    by Shermdawg'll still suck.<br><br>*logs out*

  • May 6, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Sick of Sucky movies...

    by Damer1

    It seems like that's all they are putting out these days with the exception of anything Christian Bale is in.

  • May 6, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by zb.brox

    Go see Hot Fuzz. Best movie of the year to date.

  • May 6, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    my take on King Kong

    by emeraldboy

    They got new york in the 30's perfect. However Jackson and co's scandalous decision to overhaul the screenplay, re-casting of Driscoll as playwright, Black's nastified version of cal dehham and bizarre introduction of unwanted character Jimmy the cabin boy a part written for Jamie Bell by Fran Walsh and Phillipa Boyens and jackson himself they co-adopted him as there son for the movie ruined the entire thing. Otherwise the movie was giant remake of conan doyles the lost world(from 1922)nothing else technically kong was very good. The script and story let the movie. The original is still the best. The ending is groundbreaking. oh and the running time.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    I totally agree with you on that one. Hot Fuzz kicked so much ass it was ridiculous!

  • May 6, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by Will Love

    Spider-Man 3 is a maddeningly awful movie on par with Batman & Robin. I've read some of the comments and believe me, I wanted to love this movie. In the end, after every excuse and every false praise, this is what it ultimately boils down to: GOOD NEWS: - Gwen Stacy (Bryce Dallas Howard) is gorgeous in this. We're talking Mecca of film hotness here. I felt like a deer starring down the mothership. - The final image of Eddie Brock Jr. (Topher Grace) in this film is one of the most spectacular visual effects shots I've seen in a while. You're going to want to replay it for the fine details. - Venom = Not So Bad. The smile is there and the final alien rendition of him felt epic. - James Franco, Thomas Hayden Church, and Topher Grace all get a pass on this for turning in good performances. THE BAD NEWS: - This movie lacks all of the grace of its predecessors. It is that total absence of grace that damns Spider-Man 3. - The script isn't as bad as people say, but they could've gotten more out of the story. Good ideas were sparse. Only an automaton would defend this film. The first two films were great, but this is a disgrace. - Phantom Rock = Venom's meteor. This was the beginning of the end and it happened within the first ten minutes of the film. What was the point of the boyfriend-spaceman in Spider-Man 2 if not to bring Venom to earth the same way it had been done in the comic? Defend the coincidence as much as you like, but this was criminally disgraceful given the cleverness of past films. - Mary Jane, WTF?! The love story is completely bogus. Moriarty is right: the characters serve the plot in this rather than the other way around. There's no way you can watch this film if you have any love for the others and not feel the difference. It's worse. Much worse. - This film is so predominantly bad that anyone with a brain will be forced to wonder if it was all on purpose. You really can't help it. - Peter, you're fat. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Tobey Maguire fan, but he got chubbed out for this film. Those close-ups on his extra neck and cheeks are impossible to ignore. - The emo-Peter made my brain vomit. That was the point of no return for me. - What was the point of Gwen's character if not to have her as the damsel in distress at the end of the film. HUGE waste of a surprising and fulfilling dramatic turn. - I haven't checked the crew out for this film yet, but it looked like Spider-Man 3 was trying to replicate the style of previous films, but it failed miserably. - I cannot overemphasize how awful that Jazz cafe is. That is my hell. - This film was edited with a butcher knife. I have a headache just thinking about how to express my disappoint in this aspect of the film. Editing can make or break a film. In this case, it left the film at the bottom of a friggin' spittoon => tarnished. - Death scenes in artificial sunsets hurt a deep human core of my heart. At least "Vanilla Sky" used the computer-gen sky to talk about authenticity and illusion. - How angry was I after seeing this? Well- it's a day later and I honestly thought I could squeek in this bad joke: "Spider-Man 3 raped my soul and ate my heart last night". - I really want to keep on telling you about how horrible this film is. At least END OF DAYS was laughably bad and laughably good. Spidey-3 is weak fanboy drivel. - All that I can some up at this point is the long stare at the fireman in the crowd cheering on Spidey; "Yeeeaaaaaahhhhhhh".... - ... and the kid who says "Rad"... - ... and the other kid who says "Super cool". - Spider-Man 3 is slow pain. I have to say it again. - SPIDER-MAN 3 IS SLOW PAIN. I joined just to warn you. Do not waste your money on this. I know it's hard to believe, but you just need to know that it's that bad. THIS FILM IS SO BAD THAT YOU'LL FEEL GUILTY FOR NOT WARNING PEOPLE ABOUT IT. - I love Spider-Man. It can be saved, but this film broke my heart and tortured my soul. Ha ha. No, the film is not funny. Not even funny bad. NO FUN. I want my money back.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    What the hell is everyone bitching about?

    by rbatty024

    Saw this last night, and while it has its flaws, it wasn't nearly the train wreck that everyone claims it is. The scene in that jazz bar was fucking hilarious. It was grade A quality camp, and I don't know if anyone realizes this but Spiderman has always had an element of camp in it (this is the director of Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness after all). No, it's not as good as 2 but it's definitely in contention with the first. The film takes more risks than most blockbusters and the great moments feel like timeless cinema (the wonderful first appearance of Sandman and, yes, the jazz bar scene (Raimi's films have always been one part cartoon)). I could go over the flaws (the forgiveness at the end was a little too easy, villian fatigue, and what the hell was up with that damn butler?), but it's triumphs far outweighted its failures. This is a good start to the summer.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Will Love

    by tile_mcgillus

    I totally feel your pain on that one man. It is unimaginably bad. If someone would havew posted that same rant 2 weeks ago I would have fucking laughed hysterically and not believed a single word. I think most of the geek community is in shock right now.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    There were so many poorly edited scenes mixed with horrible dialogue combined with heavy-handed and ridiculous writing carried out with bored acting and cut together by a chainsaw...I think they might show this film as a what not to do in freshman film classes. People keep saying it is a comic book movie, like that excuses piss poor filmmaking. I fucking love Sam Raimi. Love his films...I am betting there is ALOT of backstory to this one. It felt like some studio hack took over production after raimi submitted his draft and mocked his style of filmmaking.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    It's not that it's a comic book movie...

    by zb.brox's that it's Spider-Man 3. Convenient coincidences, corny dialog, and heavy-handed messaging have been a part of this series from Day 1. They don't break the reality of the universe, and they're entertaining. This movie's problems largely stem from trying to fit 240 minutes of story into 140 minutes of film, and that puts a bit of a drain on everything, but I can't fathom why someone finds it unacceptable that a meteor with a symbiote happens to land near Peter, but it was okay that he and his best friend's dad managed to both separately acquire superpowers in the same week, or that Doc Ock just happens to make his first appearance at the same bank Pete and May have gone to (in the middle of the city, even though May lives in Queens), and then happens to take May out of the crowd to be a hostage. Again, I submit that this meteor coincidence and similar complaints are only being bandied about because people were disappointed with the film as a whole--they're not reasons the movie was bad, only things that irked people who were already let down by the film.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by Will Love

    Thanks for the response. I'm out of here for the day, but I appreciate your take. You know there's a backstory when a film like this is that butchered. I know comics. I have a degree in sequential art. If you have any appreciation of the medium you won't give this film a pass for being "camp". I love the camp aspects of the film, but the overall artistry and grace of this franchise is gone. I wish I had never seen Spider-Man 3.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Tile McGillus

    by rbatty024

    I never claimed that just because it was a comic book movie some of the poor choices should be defended (although you could be directing that comment at others). I said there's always been an element of camp in Spiderman. It was handled the most deftly in Spiderman 2 and the worst in Spiderman 1. Although there's some legitimate criticism in this talkback, the one thing I am absolutely shocked about is how people don't realize the whole "emo Peter" stuff was supposed to be laughed at. These scenes were played for humour and the reaction of the women on the street should mirror our own. The audience is supposed to be laughing at how ridiculous Peter looks. In the jazz bar, when Peter shows up at the piano, it felt like a Tex Avery cartoon (and did it a lot better than The Mask because it was actually funny and because Peter is one-part but of the joke). It's moments like this, moments you won't find in just anyone's summer blockbuster, that really sold the movie for me. Like I said, the film has its flaws (most of them a couple awkward scenes and the villian fatigue that results in necessary coincidences and the bad editing you're talking about).

  • May 6, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Fair Point ZB

    by Will Love

    I admit that the coincidences of past Spider-Man 1 & 2 didn't bug me at all. Those films had charm and I didn't care. This film's chronology is totally cracked out. When so much is heft onto the script, you need a linear path. The constant flipping between the characters had zero grounding in temporal reality and YES- IT DROVE ME FUCKIN' INSANE!!!! Vehement disgrace.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    And one more thing...

    by rbatty024

    the most annoying "shortcut" in criticizing a film is using the word "emo." What the hell does emo even mean? Originally I thought it was supposed to mean emotional music, but all music is emotional, even something like hardcore punk or heavy metal. I'm going to come out and say it, the most emo film this year was 300. What's the deal with Leonidas having a wife? That's an emotional attachment, that wimp should have been playing the field. Oh, and the captain who's son is killed, what a pussy. He almost cries and everything. He should have hacked off his son's arms and used them as weapons. And at the end when it turns out the whole thing is a story to rile up the Spartans, wtf!? Storytelling is like art and stuff. Sooooo emo. The only thing I learned from that film was that the Spartans were complete pantywaists. Anyway, the only thing worse than people using the word emo are the people trying to dress emo, which Raimi did a good job of making fun of.

  • May 6, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by Will Love

    Sorry about responding to several different posts at once. It feels good to get all of that out of me. I thought the emo-Peter was really funny and I really did love that camp aspect of the film, but the truth is that it left so much on the table that you had to wonder what the point was. Bryce Dallas Howard really should have been that damsel in distress. Can you imagine what that would've done to Peter's character if she had died the way she does in the comic? In the end, I guess I just missed the artistry and the grace of the previous films. As an illustrator and appreciator of sequential, I loved the fact that earlier Spider-Man films could be appreciated for their artistry. It made the comic narrative more universal. This film did the exact opposite for me and I can't help but think that it will hurt comics as well. We might be content with another big budget comic adaptation, but I grew up in Europe where comics are appreciated as an art form. I just couldn't laugh at the pointlessness of Spider-Man 3. No doubt, there's a killer Director's Cut coming. I just needed to warn somebody and prepare them for the worst of the 3.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    on misspelling my name

    by jajar4life

    Intentional, naturally =) hell, i was thinking about spelling life "lyfe," but that's just not senior binks' style. at any rate, spidey 3 was awesome.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    oh, and...

    by jajar4life

    don't the gungans actually pronounce it "csza csza"?

  • May 6, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Agreed zb.brox

    by WhoDis

    All the complaints for this film could have been leveled at the first two as well. And I've noticed that most of these complaints are being made by people who disliked the first two on some level, as if walking into this one was going to be any different (???). The only gripe I had with it was as you said, too much packed into too little time. I wish Venom was never in there because Sandman was a lot more interesting and cooler even with the changes made to his character.<P> Oh and rbatty024, "emo" is a term for shitty, watered down goth bands. What hell hath Robert Smith spawned?

  • May 6, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    And, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the audience you saw it with (presumably made up of common film-going folk...if you didn't see the midnight showing) eating it up like candy? I thought spidey one was insanely corny, cheesy and absurd -- and I loved it. As did audiences around the country. There's just something about the character, and there's just something about Peter Parker that draws people in.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions and Jar Jar...

    by rbatty024

    thank you for restoring my faith. I though only myself and the audience I saw this movie with enjoyed Spiderman 3. Good to see there are defenders of blockbuster films that actually care about the characters and films that put something on screen that's absolutely unexpected and original.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    put a bit in your mouth<p>and off you run with it!

    by Onomaki Forp

    I give you a perfect set-up...even acknowledging that that's what I'm doing...and what do you come up with?<p>suck horse cock<p>My little eleven year old nephew could come up with something better than that!!! (albeit he would probably say something that involved boogers)... You want everybody to think your intellectual using big words like "democide" and playing at numerology, but at least you made the small children LOL and ROFL... You better come back on Monday just lovin' Spidey 3 'causse it was made just for you... cheap, lazy, and pathetic. Told with no sense of style or wit. Go make fart noises, type in all-caps, and pat yourself on the back about how you "pwnd" me... You own nothing... least of all me. You don't even own a horsecock... but there's another part of the equine anatomy that you don't merely own, but actually are.<p>which explains why you're full of what you are...<p>oh yeah thanks for teaching everybody how to insert their p

  • May 6, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    if the criticisms aren't valid

    by INWOsuxRED

    why are they repeated in almost every review, including those of professional critics who likely didn't have time to read over the AICN talking points before they wrote their reviews?

  • May 6, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    projected gross -- wow

    by jajar4life

    150-160 million something or other. this is just like pirates 2. wishy-washy, mediocre reviews and an absolute killing at the box office. and it'll bank next weekend, too. nothing's coming out that'll knock it off its high horse. may 18, however, changes everything. enter: the shrek factor (which will affect pirates, too).

  • May 6, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    It's Not THAT Bad...

    by Rogue Planet's actually not that bad of a movie, it's just not what should have been attempted. (SPOILERS AHEAD) Sandman is a fine villain, Venom is a fine villain, and Harry is a fine villain. They should have simply stuck to two villains. Harry and Venom would have been the perfect balance, both out for revenge, but Harry pulls back and recovers his humanity. Also, (SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS) for those who say Venom was killed needlessly, I remind the court of two very significant facts: 1) No body. 2) The piece of the symbiote left behind at the University. Both Venom and, in fact, Carnage can appear in the next film (albeit a non-Raimi film, but we can't have everything we want). Now, THAT would be a sweet movie. Especially if you turn Venom from bad guy to good guy, and leave the door open for Topher Grace to take over as Spider-Man, should Tobey Maguire leave the series. 'Nuff said.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Isn't it funny...

    by brokentusk

    The one thing that we thought would totally kick ass in this film (Venom) was the one thing that should have been left out. Seriously, most of the coincidences that the script is plagued with are the result of forcing Venom into the storyline. Sure he looked pretty kick ass, but he was a purely visual character, with little substance. The film should have at least ended with the symbiote crawling out of the rubble caused by the explosion that killed Eddie Brock.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    $148 M in 3 days

    by BiggieKaiju

    Wow. That's a chunk of change. But watch out for this 2nd weekend, with no major competition. If the reactions to the flick here mirror how the general public reacts now that the opening weekend is over, this thing is on track to top "X3" and "Hulk" for how fast a hyped comic book flick can sink like a rock. Damn shame.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    "why are they repeated in almost every review, including those of professional critics who likely didn't have time to read over the AICN talking points before they wrote their reviews?" Because, like you, they are film geeks. They analyze movies to a fault -- which is perfectly fine --- and they don't look at them with the same eye the general public does. I'm like this, too. But, I admit, I dig Raimi's Spidey films SO much that I'm willing to overlooks any of the pitfalls sm3 had. However, the general public won't see any pitfalls at all. They'll love it. They loved the first two, and they'll love this one, too. The negative reviews didn't impact the opening box office, and word of mouth from the majority of the film-going public WILL be good. Most people just want to be entertained -- and this movie WAS entertaining. It might have been a clusterfuck, and it might have been poorly paced, and it might not have been as good as sm1 and sm2 -- but it was ENTERTAINING. Think outside the box, dude. The majority of the planet is NOT comprised of film geeks. How do you think films like Madagascar and Click bank so much money?

  • May 6, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST


    by jajar4life

    "If the reactions to the flick here mirror how the general public reacts now that the opening weekend is over, this thing is on track to top "X3" and "Hulk" for how fast a hyped comic book flick can sink like a rock. Damn shame." That, simply put, will not happen. The general public isn't reacting like we are -- they aren't film geeks. SM3, despite what you guys want to think, won't be considered a wretched piece of crap by the general public. It was NOT sm1 or sm2, but it sure as hell wasn't ff or hulk or x3. Besides, neither of those franchises are as popular as spidey. spidey is an american icon. in fact, he's arguably a bigger icon than superman at this point. Remember when spidey 1 came out? It had no precedent. It was the first movies in the series. No one had anything invested in it -- and it banked. Opening weekend was like a religious revival. People absolutely, unflinchingly, undylingly, love spider-man. The review for this movie could have said "if you see spider-man 3, your eyes will literally fall out of their sockets ... literally...for real" and people still would have gone again and again and again. No comic book property is as mainstream as spidey. This is going to make mega bucks, regardless of how bad (or good) you think it is. Speaking of which, what did you think of the movie? =)

  • May 6, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Rogue Planet

    by The Only Woj

    It's not bad, you're right. it's just incredibly disappointing. Venom should have been post-Raimi. this film should have been without the unnecessary addition of Gwen and without Venom (thanks to Avi Arad for pushing that on Raimi). why they couldn't trust Raimi with completing the trilogy his way, I'll never understand.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by The Only Woj

    people would have bitched about no Venom, but we might have had another movie up to par of SM2. are people really satisfied with Raimi's Venom? if he didn't like the character, and Avi knew that, he never should have pressed him so hard to put the character in the film.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Good point, but...

    by BiggieKaiju

    I've been hearing a lot about folks booing the end credits and walking out shaking their heads. And it seems a lot of folks here weren't just disappointed, but seriously pissed off! Seems to me they'll be a lot of trash-talk this week about what a letdown it was. I posted my thoughts about forty down in the order on this talkback, if you'd like my impressions. I'm not a comic book geek, so it doesn't hit me as personally. But I am a huge Godzilla fan, so I know how it feels when a movie you've been stoked for for so long turns out to be more heartbreaking than getting Keira Knightley to go home with you only to discover the "beanpole" is actually in her pants! Yeesh.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    about venom

    by jajar4life

    honestly, im glad raimi did it. otherwise, it would have been some hack director doing it and it would have looked HORRIBLE, and it would have been executed HORRIBLY. He looked cool -- admit it. I'm glad raimi ended up putting his hands on it before they gave it to some low-rate director like tim story or the dude who directed ghost ride. shiver.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    about venom

    by jajar4life

    honestly, im glad raimi did it. otherwise, it would have been some hack director doing it and it would have looked HORRIBLE, and it would have been executed HORRIBLY. He looked cool -- admit it. I'm glad raimi ended up putting his hands on it before they gave it to some low-rate director like tim story or the dude who directed ghost rider. shiver.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson's KING KONG on a new computer LCD....

    by JDanielP

    ...looks absolutely BEAUTIFUL...and makes you realize just how AWESOME it would be if Warner Bros. hired him to direct "JUSTICE LEAGUE" (which SHOULD include both Superman and Batman). And as far as I'm concerned, Jackson can utilize the current actors for both Clark Kent/Superman and Bruce Wayne/Batman, while still freeing Jackson to visually interpret the characters how he desires (without reflection on/from those individual franchises). His vision would surely prove to be more satisfying from an artistic perspective, with brighter colors for Superman and a Batman cape that begs to be seen on the silver screen, ...utilizing shadows and silhouettes, ...developing costume design to near perfection. And you KNOW that, least in visual terms, he would NAIL it like nobody else. Go ahead and knock his KING KONG all you want. Though I agree that there are certain elements of KONG that could be altered or even removed, perhaps making it more favorable to my taste and most audiences, would admit, if you take the time (to observe Jackson's KONG from that visual perspective, trained/professional artist or not), you will SEE that it reveals Jackson to have a gifted eye for the camera that is nearly without equal, today. Sure, he shares such credit with the many artists who work behind the scenes, behind computer desks, and obviously owes a large amount of credit to the makers of the original KING KONG. But make no mistake, ...there are many shots in KING KONG which would make stunning posters, computer wallpapers and even screen-savers, there are numerous shots which hold such beauty even as there is movement, from characters and/or the camera itself (via computer generated or otherwise). So, ...with the right script, with the right editing, with the right budget and effects team(s), ...from cast to crew, ...I have ZERO doubt that Peter Jackson would present us with a JUSTICE LEAGUE that would succeed like no other. World wide, I would predict no less than half a billion dollars in ticket sales. And that's just from movie tickets, folks. So, lastly, I only want to say, ..."Be smart, Warner Bros."

  • May 6, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    What...can you guys be complaining about???

    by Kap'n Kek

    Wasn't just crazy to see this, but me and a buddy happened to catch the last half-hour of SM2, got inspired to run out and see a late show. Had a blast, even though I HATE seeing flicks in a crowded theater on opening weekend. It's definately busy and jumps a bit, but really...its not like we're losing track of whats going on. The jazz scene...was hilarious. Peter thought Harry was putting it to MJ, and that's how he got back at her...a SpiderMan-style diss on a faithless ex...come on, that was funny. Action was awesome, only wished they'd kept Harry around for sequels, the chemistry between the two as they fought was perfect. Venom will obviously be back, and I'm glad they didn't kill off Sandman, who was great as well. Admittedly, Gwen made MJ look like a used dishrag, but whatever, that's Peter's problem. Thought this was simply great, shitload of action, funny stuff inbetween. This does make three Spidey movies in a row with McGuire weeping, and by god thats enough. Oh, yeah, and I realize he's a big star, whoo-hoo, but can Spiderman have his mask on in the next movie once or twice. Other than that tiny bitch, I had a great time and will be seeing it again later tonight.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    ok..HOT FUZZ, biggiekaiju

    by jajar4life

    OK, im NOT saying you liked hot fuzz -- im just using it as an example. Im a film geek, and i dug the HELL out of SOTD. so, naturally, i had to check out hot fuzz with my friends. Everyone here thinks it's brilliant, yes? the reviews for it have been stellar, yes? Well, I shit you not, all ofmy friends were ready to walk out 30 minutes into the film. Some ended up doing so, and the ones that stayed absolutely regretted doing so. We are NOT like the general public. I'd say we're more like critics. Please, do not underestimatethe power of the general public. They are the same GP pay tons of money to see Blades of Glory (diarrhea on film), Shanghai Knights and any other ben stiller/will farrell/owen wilson/vince vaughn fecal matter. And any type of CG movie -- regardless of how bad it is. People were probably booing in your theatre because it was opening weekend, and there were hardcore filmgeeks in there who DID NOT like the movie. That's my guess. If the entire theatre booed in unision, then you witnessed something I never have.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    blame the producers

    by The Only Woj

    they're the ones who sacrifice quality for what will make the most money. thanks to Avi Arad for Venom and Laura for Gwen. and for everyone pissed at Batman Begins, thank the producers for saying it had to be a love story, that's why we got our Katie Holmes and had to deal with that crap.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    General Public

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    in terms of general public. My friend took his girlfriend before I got a chance to see the movie. He isn't a film geek, just a dude out to see movie. He called me after saying how awful it was. He couldn't believe I didn't give him a heads up. He girlfriend just kept saying how stupid the whole thing was....we'll see

  • May 6, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot...

    by jajar4life

    did they love the first two?

  • May 6, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    batman begins -- EXPLAIN, NOW!!!!

    by jajar4life

    i STILL need an explanation as to why this film is compared to spider-man. it was a standard detective/action movie made interesting by the fact that the main character was batman. it was so NON-comic booky that i wouldn't even group it in the genre. did ANYONE in that film have the ability to climb walls (without help) or turn their body into sand? i still get pissed when people try comparing spidey to batman. compare anything BUT batman to spidey. hell, compare the 300 to spidey if you want -- that had absurd, ridiculously conceived characters in it. yay!

  • May 6, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    $375 million, globally

    by jajar4life

    No matter how you cut it, how you slice it, how you dice it and how you spin it -- that's impressive. anytime a movie makes $375 worldwide -- in a weekend!!!!!! -- it's usually going to raise some eyebrows. in short, the overall box office for this film wil be riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidoikulous. When a movie makes $375 -- a weekend -- it probably won't suffer that much of a drop off the next week. hell, even if it drops 50%, it'll still make at leasty 70 million in the us next week. absurd.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Come on...

    by m_reporter

    It's definitely not better than SM 2, but it easily beats most of the crap we got to see in the last couple of summers. It easily tops every blockbuster from the last summer season.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    x3 and spidey 3

    by jajar4life

    x3 wasn't bad -- it was just a cop-out. i didnt think sm3 was a cop-out. sure, it was over-stuffed and over-done, but it really tried to entertain the fans.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Army of Darkness=Spidey3

    by George Peppard

    Raimi goes wacky for Part 3. Joyless Fangoria-boys (or Comic Book Guys) are angry. Can we just skip ahead 6 years to when people lighten up about it?

  • May 6, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    The amount of people trying to bash Spiderman 3...

    by rbatty024

    while defending X3 is astonishing. It makes me think that their hatred of Spiderman 3 is just a way to cover up their embarassment over actually liking X3. Now X3 was a fucking train wreck. And hat to break it to you but liking/hating one doesn't mean you have to like or hate the other.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man 3 2nd Weekend

    by inhumans99

    jajar4life, I think a 50% drop is conservative, and SM3 may drop as much as 63-68% next weekend (I really enjoyed the film, but as TBs like this one prove, the on-line buzz in general will not help SM3 from a significant 2nd weekend box-office drop.<br><br>On the other hand, by the close of the 2nd weekend, SM3 will probably have banked at least 500-525m worldwide, so even if the film stalls, and "only" makes a worldwide gross of 700-750m, you still have the DVD I do not think Sony will be crying into their beers (although, it is insane that the film really could have cost Sony up to 500m to make/market, but again, it will probably take in close to, if not a bit over a billion worldwide, so Raimi will still be given the Star treatment by Sony if he wants to work with Sony on another film, or on the Spidey franchise in the future).<br><br> It is somewhat funny that as much hate as there is for films like Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, and X-3, folks conveniently forget that all the above films actually did okay at the box-office (FF made 150m, around 330m total domestic/international, + DVD sales, Ghost rider cleared over 115m, around 224m total domestic/international release, and has an upcoming DVD release that should make the film a touch more money, and X-3 made over 234m, around 460m combined domestic/international, and the dvd did okay numbers).<br><br>I realize how much a film makes is not indicative of its quality, however, the folks behind SM3, and the above films, have to be feeling pretty good that their gamble on some comic book properties (albeit, fairly well-known ones at that) paid off. Not to mention that the films grosses show that at least someone out their in these films audiences had an enjoyable time watching them (like me!).

  • May 6, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    I don't care how much money it makes...

    by tile_mcgillus

    it still sucked. As for people saying it had all the contriviences of the previous ones. You would be partly right. I loved the first 2, adored even, despite having a few flaws. The difference is believability and frequency. The sheer number of absurd coincidences in Spiderman 3 is ridiculous. Also instead of serving the story...they WERE the story. Tell me who the villian of Spiderman 3 was? Who intentionaly and maliciously tried to kill 2 people, lied constantly and beat up innocent men and a woman? I know Raimi was trying to show that the heroes aren't always good and the villains aren't always bad but he took it WAYYYY past that point. The suit turned Peter into a fucking murdering disco dancing pyschopath. Here are some things I thought about...<br><br>Why did Bernerd not tell Harry about his father's wounds 3 years ago BEFORE Harry went insane, became a ?painter? and nearly blew up NYC and tried to kill his best friend? And why then...because Spiderman can't take them down alone and he so selfish he is willing to risk his friend's life he literally just tried to kill to save his ex-girl?<br><br>Why do Brock and Marko kidnap Maryjane? They haven't dated in months. Brock had yet to even see her? Why not the family member Aunt May or...the girl that broke Eddie's heart Gwen Stacy???<br><br>There are simple coincidences and then there are huge fucking gaps in logic. These and many more are signifiers of bad writing/pacing/story.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I really dont see the point in comparing different

    by emeraldboy

    characters in different comic book movies with other comic book films. batman, spiderman, supes,-men and spiderman are all different characters in stand alone movies.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Spiderman the musical is due to open in 2009

    by emeraldboy

    on broadway and will be written by bono and the edge and will be directed by Julie Taymor. Hence all the stuff in the theatre and those cole porter numbers.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I think it was a good film.

    by Reznik

    When any one of you can become a director and make a better spiderman movie than Sam Raimi then you go ahead and do it. If you dont like the movie then dont watch it. Just dont watch it. Read the fucking comics or download the old cartoon show but dont bitch about something you cant change and dont have the ability to make yourself.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    "How do you think films like Madagascar and Click bank so much money?"</br></br> Because people will see shit. Box office and quality are not related. Box office results have no impact on the validity of criticisms.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    according to

    by emeraldboy

    Neil Jordan was working on the book but glenn berger(underneath the lintel) has taken over. Bono when asked about the score it will have a celtic vibe, there will also be a greek chorus involved. They are looking for 2 leads in thier twenties with strong pop/rock voices. Bono and have been working on this for the past two and half years. The production will be over seen by the director of Fosse, who was formerly a marvel exec.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    Horrible argument. I can't cook and I PAY for a meal and it tastes horrible. Under your theory I shouldnt and can't complain. Bullshit. You are on a movie appreciation and criticism site. Really think about you are trying to say.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST


    by DECKERS

    I am in geek hell...where do I begin? I ever turned the guy beside me and said 'so disappointed' TWICE (I never thought I was that much of a geek, but, DAMN) The pacing:TERRIBLE. So many slow 'Days Of Our Lives' scenes (you know, I love her, she is having doubts, there's someone else yaddayadda) punctuated by all too quick action sequences. The CGI:TERRIBLE. The 1st fight between Harry & Peter, fuck, I was expecting a score to flash up in the end ala PS1, ditto metro fight, why did so much have to happen at night anyway? The big-money final battle was meh, with Sandman turning into the fucking doughboy from Ghostbusters. Where did all the fucking talent go that gave us the spidey/Doc Ock train scene last time around? What made up all the millions supposedly spent on this..into Snaggletooths hairdo? And the tears, oh boys..DID EVERYONE HAVE TO CRY SO MUCH? jesus this was SPIDERMAN MOVIE!!! Where was the wise cracking day-lit hero I used to read about as a kid? This movie smacks of the same thinking as Super Returns: 'Oh, lets make a love story too with lots of longing and soul searching, it will bring the chicks in as will as the kids.' Maguire et all all looked SOOO BORED. This needs a re-boot like YESTERDAY. Topher was so much more Peter Parker than Tobey could ever be. Oh yes, and the FUN SCENES where SO FLAT..absolutely EMBARASSING. The 1st Daily Plant office scene, the dance scenes, the camera scene with and weep God, I could go on all night night..interesting the cinema was only 1/5 full, word of mouth is out already (I HOPE). Raimi needs a sound kick up the ass for this and just pray he's off No4.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST


    by Reznik

    I thought it was a good film.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I have an idea...

    by emeraldboy

    and it would be a good one but The guy who wrote the very first screenplay is prepping his comeback movie. James Cameron with stan winston on board or phill tippet and bring back John Dykstra and re-hire Danny Elfman. Or Give this thing to Stephen Sommers. I know you all hate sommers but they are going to have to get someone with clout to make spidey great again. I would happily give this whole thing over to zemeckis in this morning or let peter jackson do it. Any one.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    A question

    by emeraldboy

    will Raimi get to do The hobbit on the back of these lukewarm reviews.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    All the expression in the actors eyes and faces

    by emeraldboy

    were thinking the same thing"pfsss... this.. shit is so. lame" the crane scene would have been great if they all had acted like they were scared. Cromwell is on the ground looking up and doesnt seem to realise its is daughter untill eddie brock says that your daughter, you would have thought gen stacy would have beat brock into the ground, having found so suddenly that brock was dating his daughter. A great actor like cromwell deserves better then this. as does Rosemary Harris.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I don't want Raimi anywhere near The Hobbit.

    by superninja

    There will be Raimi-Cam in The Hobbit and it will piss everyone off except Raimi acolytes. Give it to Curaon already.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    This Was, By FAR, The BEST . . .

    by United States

    . . . new Spider-man movie this year. Seriously, I loved it, and I don't understand the dislike. Sam Raimi did a great job. Sure, I would have preferred to have Danny Elfman scoring the picture, and his absence was felt in a few scenes, but this was still a great adventure. I thought the Peter/MJ story was handled very realistically. If any of you geeks ever move out of your mother's basement, maybe you can finally experience a relationship with a girl. Then, you'll have a better appreciation for this movie. The genius that Raimi brings to these movies is that he focuses on the characters. What he gives us is not a two-dimensional story about a kid who can stick to walls, but it's an emotional drama about a young man, who happens to have some very special abilities adding to the pressure of just trying to exist. Again, I know most of you can't relate to that. Just put down the swiss cake roll, turn off the monitor, borrow your dad's keys, and go find a girlfriend.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Hire Verbinski for Justice League

    by superninja

    Jackson is kind of stiff, I want some lively characters.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Bring on the hate

    by SingingHatchet

    I liked X3 better than SM3. And SM3 wasn't that bad. I enjoyed it. Wouldn't go and see it twice in the theater but hey, there is plenty of other overproduced trash in the pipeline to waste my money on. That's right, I'm talking about your eagerly awaited FLAMING piece o poop, Michael "darn you" Bay.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST


    by drdoom_v

    Nice work and i thought that one could never be topped!

  • May 6, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    mary jane - kidnapped again??!!?? come on..

    by slappy jones

    if i was her i would get as far away from parker as i possibly could. everytime there is a new villain they wind up using her as bait....that shit is getting really old. in all 3 films the finale has been the same thing....mary jane as bait or leverage over spider man. plus i wish he would stop taking his fucking mask off...why did venom have to keep reverting back to his human face - it looked stupid. the fall out boy haircut was ridiculous. the dance scenes were awful and unnecessary. gwen stacy was pointless. the lack of panic opr concern both cromwell and brock seemed to show when gwen stacy was fucking danglking from the top pf a skyscraper was baffling - especially for captaoin stacy considering he is her fucking dad....JJ buying the camera from the little girl was not funny....the butler who seems to be a fucking stab wound expert decides to tell harry the truth all of a sudden....the film was a disjointed mess. sloppy and disappointing. and stop this blaming avi arad - if you think raimi was pushed around and had no say you are crazy. you could tell the bad shit that was raimi as it had the three stooges fucking wacky absurd feel that he loves so much. avi arad didn't write and direct this thing...SAM SAIMI did so itis his fault.the only stuff I did like was the relationship stuff with mary jane and felt realistic to me and i think they are good together but everything else was awful. the effects seemed to be a step backwards too....and spare me the "well it made 300 gazzillion dollars" because that doesn;t mean a thing to me...garth brooks sold a lot of did michael bolton....the fact that spidey made alot of money doesn't change the fact it was awful.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    this was excellent...

    by jig98

    i think the first 2 movies are far superior in the charector devolopment, story and action scene catagory. everything else was fun to watch. everybody did a good job. although i didn't care much for kirsten dunst's singing or tobey's dancing. i will possibly see this again and again before seeing everything else this summer.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Terry O'Quinn from Lost should play the Vulture...

    by The Ape Giggins Spiderman 4. I know that everyone thinks it should be Patrick Stewart but c'mon, he's Prof. X in the X-Men series, no way is Marvel going to let the two frans get mixed together like that. Plus, I think O'Quinn would be better at getting the nuances of playing the villian of the film, bring out the pathos and just plain freakiness of the bird dude

  • May 6, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    United States

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    you're right. this is the best new Spiderman movie this year. And your right, if I just had a real girlfriend i probably could better understand the realistic relationship between peter and Mary Jane. I rememeber when i got super powers and my girlfriend flopped on her broadway debut. Very realistic. And then my best friend became a super villian and plotted to use my girlfriend against me. At the same time an alien suit landed on earth and joined with me bringing out my most agressive tendencies which in turn turned me into a european gigalo. you are right. A real girlfriend would have let me better understand the genius in the film. tool

  • May 6, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    On "Hot Fuzz" and booing...

    by BiggieKaiju

    Jajar4life, I haven't seen "Hot Fuzz" yet. Way overdue to catch it before it's gone. "Shaun" was an instant classic. You are absolutely right about both the "masses" propensity to spend their ill-gotten gains on cinematic shitburgers and the fact that us geeks are not legion, otherwise "SOAP" and "Grindhouse" would at least have had heftier openings. My point was there seems to be lots of genuine anger among the fans, to the point of comparing the flick to "Batman and Robin" (unfair, since watching "Spider-Man 3" doesn't cause cancer). No one booed at my theatre (just the head shaking and murmers of "that's it?" and "jeez, that sucked" and "MY EYES! MY EYES!"). But I've been surfing various sites, and other talkbackers seem to be reporting it. You're probably right, it's a cash machine regardless. This weekend, with no big competition, will be closely watched by us all. I forsee a nasty tumble after that monster opening.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    sorry drdoom_v as flawed as SM3 was..

    by ckone

    it is nowhere near the shit that was served to us that was BATMAN AND ROBIN...

  • May 6, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Play It Again Sam!

    by thot

    Some of Moriarty's critcisms are fair enough. Others are a bit picyune. Saw SM:3 Friday nite. LOVED IT! Great action, believable emotion, fantastic SFX, decent story. Sure, there are some weak moments (the Butler/Harry scene comes to mind, wth??) Otherwise, it was very enjoyable. Probably my favorite of the three. My son, 15, my daughter, 11 and her friend 12 loved it, as did my wife. The audience seemed to really dig it too. Good word of mouth will keep this one on track to 400M plus. Can't wait for the dvd! If I wasn't saving my pennies to go see Shrek 3 and Pirates 3, I'd see it twice for sure.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    I agree with superninja...

    by Forestal

    Sam Raimi better stay the fuck away from the Hobbit or anything Tolkien related...

  • May 6, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Thank Goodness Superman Returns came out last year

    by Jugdish

    Otherwise I would considered Spider-Man 3 a HUGE HEAPING PILE OF SHIT...THank goodness Singer and his frat brothers made a heaping pile last summer...Now S3 doesn't seem so bad.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Theresa Russell and Sandman's graphic Render Times

    by bipple

    that's what this movie is, ALL THINGS TO EVERYONE. No one has commented on how the symbiote formed a "V" on the scooter right at the start. As far as it becoming Point Break and The OC, at this point, who fucking cares, its going to be "Nolan"ized, maybe even by Chris himself, the story of the suit will be retold, the movie is a symbolic shmorg of the whole history of basically the 90s Fox series. However Thomas Church and Theresa Russell are awesome, this movie will age well because nothing in it isn't unknown to the creators, it was necessary for it "WRAP IT UP!!!!!!!!cause this is the last hurrah for all involved together.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I cant understand why raimi

    by emeraldboy

    introduced what seemed to elements of third in spiderman 2, then dropped then in order to refrence very dated movies like the blob and Saturday night fever. Odd.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I'm fucking sick of you SR haters

    by Forestal

    Go find one of the old Superman TBs if you want to bitch about that movie. The airplane rescue in Superman Returns is 10 times more exciting than anything in that pile of steaming shit known as Spider-Man 3.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Can Avi Arad give Spiderman IV to Mark S. Johnson now?

    by JackPumpkinhead

    You know, the man who can actually make an entertaining comic book movie, as he's shown twice already?

  • May 6, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    sp3 ?

    by huggerorange

    The best reasoning i could come up with for the intent of the movie, was that maybe there was only one villain in this movie-the bad side of peter/black suit spiderman. And that sandman and venom were a way and solution for peter parker/ spiderman to deal with his problem. Which is why venom and sandman seem like a backdrop, with that in mind maybe ill go see this again.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    The airplane rescue is also unfortunately the only

    by superninja

    good scene in SR.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Fox have done the same thing

    by emeraldboy

    with Fantastic. They dont want to with transformers, so they came up with the Cloud. transformers is going to kick ass. majorly

  • May 6, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    the 20 greatest SpiderMan villains!

    by Boomers_Lips 1 is Venom, 2 is Green Goblin, and 3 is Doc Ock. SandMan is 4, and Carnage is 5. the rest of the list at the link.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    S3 was great fun

    by ElfinJam

    While I tend to usually agree with Mori's reviews, I think he's way off on this one. The only viable complaints I can maybe understand are length of the movie and that it was a bit crowded with characters. Both of those are nitpicks IMO. I saw it twice - once with my oldest son and his friends and then with my younger daughter. It held my attention both times and never did I feel bored in any place in the movie. The crowd loved it in both showings. I felt it captured the essence of the comic ; part romance comic, part silver age marvel action and the ridiculous fun that was spidey in the first 100 issues. Raimi proves again that he has the talent to weave an entertaining story and I think the box office receipts speak to that. I hope Raimi comes back again and they do an older, wiser Spidey but retain the fun that all 3 of these movies contained. I just wish Superman Returns was half as good as S3 is.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST


    by Frijole

    as if they're applying for a black-box job writing for AICN.

  • May 6, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    James Marsden wasn't in Spider-Man 2

    by Forestal


  • May 6, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    What are you talking about, anchorite?

    by Frijole

    Marsden didn't play Jameson's son in SM2...

  • May 6, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST


    by huggerorange

    When are they finally going to make the dr conners/lizard story? hes in spiderman 1, 2 and 3 already so it wouldnt take much to set up the story him being an established character. if raimi didnt like venom so much why didnt he go with that?

  • May 6, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    how do you know

    by huggerorange

    how do you know

  • May 6, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    I could care less how much it makes. Won't make me like it anymore or any less.

  • May 6, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    The surprise is not that it's breaking records...

    by Lucasblows

    ...the surprise is that it turned out to be a piece of shit.

  • May 6, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Of course if they first two were hits then..

    by mrfan

    this one will be also. There has been plenty of excitement since the second ended. Everyone will see this one regardless of it being good or bad.<p>I saw it Sunday. I dont' think it was as bad as some are saying. I don't think it holds up to the first two very well though. It just seemed rushed. Almost as if they were trying to cram everything into one movie. That hurts it. One of the things I did enjoy was the casting. Great Sandman, Captain Stacy, and Gwen. I liked the second fight between Harry and Peter more than the first one. One thing that bothered me is just how many times is Spider-Man going to have his mask off for the villians. That is totally out of character as was the "dance number" in the jazz club. Didn't really care for Venom. Seemed like a pretty boring villian. Enjoyed seeing the Sandman pull himself together after his transformation.I couldn't see Venom and him really team up. Just odd. I really wish there would be fourth one with the Lizard as the villian. I doubt it will see light. Not a bad movie. Glad I saw it.

  • May 6, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    on the record...I am not a hater...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...just a very, very disappointeder...

  • May 6, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Venom isn't dead...

    by Lemming

    Doc Connor's still has the 'sample', right?

  • May 6, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Venom isnt dead, but Eddie Brock sure is!

    by Boomers_Lips

    he skeleton exploded when SpiderMan threw a bomb at the Symbiote.

  • May 6, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    $375 Million Worldwide

    by Vansmack13

    I don't think Sony really cares about all the negative comments by the .00001% of movie goers who look at this site. Especially since everyone who hated on the movie still ponied up the cash to see it and many will do it more than once. I just wonder how much money Sony is going to throw at Rami to do another one, something tells me they will make him and everyone else they want an offer they can't refuse. Get ready for Spider-man 4 featuring the SINISTER SIX!!!! Ha ha

  • May 6, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Sony is interested in Joseph Gordon-Levitt as SpiderMan

    by Boomers_Lips

  • May 6, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    anchorite re: James Marsden's career...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...he'll be in Hairspray the movie version of the Broadway musical based on the John Waters opens on July 20...

  • May 6, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    they should have saved the symbiote storyline for ...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...Joseph being a Mysterious Skin and he would have been better at the emo thing than Tobey...

  • May 6, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    more on people calling MJ a whore after kissing Harry!

    by Boomers_Lips

    i saw it again and man, people in my theater still went apeshit when MJ kissed Harry and then when she dumped him at the bridge! I was surprised people were yelling out words like "whore, slut, bitch, ho" in a room with kids around.