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FOX - Vern has some words for you about the pansy-assing of the 4th DIE FLACCID movie.
A reader named Ed Wilson tipped me off to the following outrageous lunacy:
"In June's VANITY FAIR, it states that Bruce Willis was initially
disappointed that his fourth DIE HARD film will likely be cut to get a PG-13 rating rather than an R. 'I really wanted this one to live up to the promise of the first one, which I always thought was the only really good one.' And he's not happy about it. 'That's a studio decision that is becoming more and more common, because they're trying to reach a broader audience. It seems almost a courageous move to give a picture an R rating these days. But we still made a pretty hardcore, smashmouth film.'"
Dearest 19th Century Fox:
Howdy. Name's Vern, nice to meet you. I am writing to ask you one question. WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE YOU JOKERS TRYING TO PULL?
Before you blow me off to go bathe in that champagne/money/panda blood mixture you have in your hot tub, please be aware that I am not speaking as a member of the internet community, or associate of the nerd community. I think ALL communites agree with me on this, except maybe the Amish, who don't watch movies and are therefore neutral. I am speaking as an American, and as a citizen of the world. You can't fucking do that to DIE HARD.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the movie was called LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD. But from what Vanity Fair is saying here, it sounds more like LIVE FREE OR DIE-- WELL, LET'S NOT DIE TOO HARD, THERE ARE CHILDREN PRESENT. Which, in my opinion, is not as good of a title.
Now, I know what you're thinking. If we make a horrible movie for babies and make it PG-13, it will make lots of money. The movies that make money these days are worthless garbage intentionally designed to be of a low quality, intelligence and entertainment value, in order to lower standards, make people stupider, destroy our culture and make short-term, tainted money for our evil corporation. Okay, fair enough. You know your business, I can't argue with your money piles.
But let me remind you of a couple movies you guys had something to do with.
Exhibit A: DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE, aka DIE HARD 3
Exhibit B: DIE HARD 2, aka DIE HARDER
Exhibit C: DIE HARD, aka GREATEST AMERICAN ACTION MOVIE OF ALL TIME
There are many things these three movies have in common. Two of them: they made you all kinds of money (untainted money that you could be proud of) and they were Rated-R.
DIE HARD is a name you're gonna have a hard time living up to, even with an R-rating. The world is already skeptical. Does organic John McClane have to be updated to the CGI world to fight computer hackers? We don't know. We're not sure about this role playing vampire sissy being the director, either. Some people have trouble with the title LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD, even though it's awesome. The trailer is pretty good, but you've got a bald, fearless John McClane we have to get used to, plus you teamed him with that smarmy prick from the Mac commercials, and I know I personally came VERY close to ritualistically burning myself in front of your offices when I found out you put Kevin Smith in the movie as a wacky computer genius. I bet you ten bucks Argyle (limo driver from part 1) could take him in a fight, hack into a database faster than him AND direct a better movie. But that's beside the point.
My point is that you have alot going against you. I, as a die hard DIE HARD die hard, am willing to give you a chance. I am praying for a real DIE HARD. The world of action cinema NEEDS a real DIE HARD. Let me tell you something. I am not like Harry, I don't get sent the scoops all the time. But a while back, as filming was starting up on this thing, somebody sent me the script. People were up in arms against this thing, the word that was leaking out was not inspiring confidence, and I think the idea was that I would read it, I would be outraged at how it was a bad DIE HARD sequel, and I would start some kind of online crusade against it and try to get them to stop and rewrite or something.
What I did instead, I didn't read the script, not even the first page. I was suspecting that this probaly would be an unworthy sequel. But on the off chance that it wasn't I didn't want to ruin it for myself. I wanted to go into that theater, sit down and see a brand new fuckin DIE HARD movie. And if not be "blown through the back of the theater," at least there would be a cool breeze of awesomeness blowing me lightly against the back of my seat, and cooling me off on a hot June day. What could be better than that? I'm keeping my hopes up. I've been rationalizing away all the parts that look bad and keeping my fingers crossed.
But if you cut the movie for babies, you finally lost me. I don't know if I would even pay to see that shit. If I did I might not admit it to anybody.
You know what a PG-13 action movie is? It's THE MARINE starring John Cena. Not a good movie, not a profitable movie. It's HALF PAST DEAD, Steven Seagal's only PG-13 movie, which also happens to be his last theatrical movie. Hmmm, that's odd, I wonder how that happened? When people name their favorite American studio action movies, they're gonna talk about DIE HARD, LETHAL WEAPON, PREDATOR, maybe UNDER SIEGE, maybe SPEED. If you want to go even more sci-fi than PREDATOR you could include TERMINATOR 1&2, THE MATRIX, ALIENS, ROBOCOP, TOTAL RECALL, etc. All rated-R movies, all good movies, all profitable movies. That's how you die hard. PG-13 is not dying hard.
As a measure of caution, I am asking all movie writers to pull a nerd-Hans-Grueber and hold the title hostage. Do not use the word "HARD" on the title until we have been given proof of a hard rating. As long as there is a chance of a dishonorable PG-13, please only refer to this one as DIE SOFT, DIE LIMP, DIE WEAK, DIE FEEBLE, DIE FRAGILE, DIE COMPROMISED, DIE IN A PUDDLE OF YOUR OWN URINE AFRAID OF FACING THE CONSEQUENCES OF BEING A MAN, etc. I personally will follow this rule and I hope my colleagues will as well.
If you make this PG-13, you might get your opening weekend, it might be as big as if it was R. On the other hand, people might say "What? A new DIE HARD? Where he's bald? And the title is funny? And the Macintosh guy is in it? And fucking Silent Bob? And it's PG-13? I don't want to see that shit!" Or, "Bruce Willis said it was supposed to be R-rated, and he was really disappointed, I'll just wait until the real, actual adult version of the movie is available for free, illegal, non-Fox-money-giving download after some pissed off studio employee leaks it."
And the 13-16 year olds you're banking the legacy of DIE HARD on will say "that old guy from 16 BLOCKS is supposed to be tough? Ha ha" and then they will pout sullenly as they text each other and listen to crappy music on iPods. And this might make the Macintosh wacky sidekick guy happy, but it will not get you any money. Which, in this ugly scenario, will be the fate you deserve.
Keep in mind, a 16 year old today was 4 years old when the last (and not even best) DIE HARD came out. Do you think he or she gives a fuck about DIE HARD? And if so, isn't that odd, that somehow he or she has seen an R-rated movie? It's almost as if it can be profitable to release R-rated movies. Weird.
And before you pull some kind of cheap "yeah, but GRINDHOUSE was Rated-R and it lost money" bullshit, remember this: BRUCE WILLIS WAS IN GRINDHOUSE. What are you gonna do, cut him out of LIVE FREE OR DIE FRAIL just to be safe? Come on, people.
Best case scenario, moneywise: you make a ton of money on it. But everybody feels ripped off. Your precious franchise is dead forever. The shine on an American classic gets a little less bright. Everybody starts associating the real DIE HARD with this horse shit and thinking it's not as good as they remembered it. You sell less copies when the old, actual genuine made-for-adults good DIE HARD movies come out on HD-DVD, BLU-RAY and whatever other futuristic formats come into existence. Nobody will even consider making a new sequel or video game or downloadable ringtone or Happy Meal toy. When you die, you will realize that in the long run you could've made more money on this DIE HARD thing, and without having to shame an entire country to do it. You could've held your head proud instead of saying, "yeah, but this is a business, we are not here to do good things for the world and humanity, we are here to steal their money and then rationalize it by saying that ultimately it is a business."
And the real kicker will be when you realize that the stress caused by knowing the damage you had done to cinema and culture had made you ill, causing your last years to be miserable. If only you had known now what you will know then. That you could've had it both ways. You could've lived free AND died hard.
Yipee kay yay, etc.
I'm not gonna call out any studio head names, I don't know who's responsible. But for God's sake - listen to Bruce. DIE HARD is for grown ups. And for kids who are allowed to go to R-rated movies with grownups. It is part of a long tradition of dads taking their kids to see R-rated movies, and making them think their dad is cool. If you pull this punk PG-13 move their dads will no longer be cool. The American family could fall apart.
Do the right thing, pal. There is a clear path to follow here. What do you think John McClane would do? Would he sissy out? Fuck no. You know who you are in DIE HARD - you're Ellis. Go back and watch it. I think you'll be interested to find out what happens to Ellis.
Don't blow it, buddy. Don't be Ellis. Be a man. Don't die soft. You know how you want to die.
thanks bud,
Vern
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"sigh" I'll still watch it tho. but this is going to feel half assed. actually...maybe I won't see it. I'm on the fence about this really. An R rated film was what I was expecting. I didn't even really think they would even DO that to Die Hard...dear god.
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These guys havent made a decent movie in years. Murdoch only wants to churn out kiddie-friendly bullshit. We should picket Fox!!!!!
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Very much Die Hard....i.e Fall on death ears.
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Its fucking late here!
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I especially liked the "Don't be Ellis" comment. Excellent rant, Vern. Making a Die Hard movie PG-13 would be like releasing a Grand Theft Auto game with "sweat" instead of red blood (ala Mortal Kombay for the SNES back in the day).
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Hallelujah Vern. We meed to make sure that no one ruins the image of the greatest American action movie franchise. It would be unpatriotic to ruin a movie that takes place on not one, but two American holidays. And what about the Yippe yay ki ya Mother...., would it be Motherfudger?
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John McClaine will be in a toys r us near you soon. Prepare for McDonalds to start with the happy meal toys in the next week or so.
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amen, brother...I can see movies that deserve and warrant a PG-13 audience going for it. and there are clearly a lot of movies that are on the borderline, where the director and hardcore fans would want an R for the street cred, and the studios would want a PG-13 for the extra audience, but this is kind of silly. you're making a 4th movie, essentially a reboot, of a series that were ALL hard-R's. and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there were a total of like 12 seconds of bouncing breasts in all 3 movies together. this was R-rated because dudes got hung from chains, shot through the head, and people being attacked by, and fighting against terrorists, were allowed to actually say what we would all say in that circumstance. FUUUUUUUUCKKKK!!!!!pull your heads out."Yippee Kay-yay you jerk!" just doesn't have the same ring to it...
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Just look at Miami Vice. And countless other examples. So I ask you, the studio, why release an R rated movie at a time of year when it can't compete. There are already too many blockbusters in the summer. I remember a time when there were about 3 big summer movies and the rest were just regular movies that could come out at any time of the year. The months of January, February, and about half of August and September have always been bad months for movies. That's because the studio has decided those are bad months and choose to unload their crap off the shelf then. Why not spread some of these big movies out more so there aren't 4 movies that absolutely have to break at least 100 million opening on the same day. They can't all do it. A PG-13 Die Hard will do great business in the summer. But an R rated Die Hard might have been huge in September. This pisses me off.
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A "Die Hard" movie that isn't rated R? Meaning, a "Die Hard" movie that lacks the content to cause the MPAA to slap an "R" rating on it? The word "fuck" is not said more than once? I'm very uneasy about this. Think Fast. Look Alive. Puss Out.
Look, you're doing nobody any favors by watering this down. When my kids are old enough to watch "Die Hard" movies, I want them to be good movies, worthy of the "Die Hard" mantle--not Disney versions of the first installment. Don't fuck this up. -
so they might dull the edge on an un-asked-for fourth installment to a franchise that peaked and should have ended with the first one--and this inspires a couple thousand word rant?
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Live Free or Die Homogenized!
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Oh well, I think I'll pass. I love the Die Hard movies, I bought them on VHS, laserdisc (!) and dvd, but I don't want to see a wimpy, weak version. This could be to Die Hard what Alien Vs Predator (ugh) was to Alien and Predator.
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That rant was spot on. Perhaps a bit long, and lost a little momentum near the end, but the point was made effectively.
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I concur
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you want Vern should PG-13 his review and downsize it! it's a full-on Die Hard rant! it goes until it's done, and only THEN do you get to wipe the sweat off, have a cigarette, and ice down your crotch.
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Doesn't Bruce have any pull with this? He's the franchise. The whole son thing is so overdone. Horse-shit like this makes baby-Jesus cry. Mr. Willis is cool, but this is gonna tank.
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May 02, 2007 4:35:18 PM CDT
AN R RATED MOVIE CANT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY IN SUMMER!?!?!
by totallygayforchristianbale
MOTHERFUCKER, YOU ARE RETARDED. EXHIBIT A: 300 EXHIBIT B: MATRIX 1
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was a transformer fan.
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VERN I AM TOTALLY WITH YOU. This is a fucking nightmare if this happens. This is probably the last Die Hard ever, so it's gotta be R. This is a fucking '80s action franchise and this was the first R movie I ever saw - I was fucking 6-years-old. People like me with cool parents fucking made this franchise. I saw all of the others in a theatre, saw Die Harder 2x. This movie is tracking huge...b/c THEY'RE AREN'T ANY OTHER R-RATED ACTION FLICKS THIS SUMMER. Capice? This is an open market to make bank. People like the trailer b/c they're expecting blood, guts, all that shit. THE CATCHLINE OF DIE HARD HAS 'MOTHERFUCKER' IN IT, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE (CHRIST LOVES DIE HARD BTW, EVEN DHWAV, B/C HE LOVES ALL THINGS NOT SHITTY). Fox, Do not fuck with us. We will burn this fucker to the ground if it's PG-13. That is all. Vern speaks the truth. He's a Die Hard expert and you don't want to fuck with us.
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I see your point, to edit Vern's ramblings would be as equally as offensive as editing a Die Hard.
Is anyone else getting horrible flashbacks to Rocky Balboa's lackluster fight scene... where's the Ivan Drago's of the world when you need them. -
there would be an irony about someone going on a huge rant because they hate a vagina being added to their giant robot toy memories...
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The first three films were aimed at adults. So with this being the fourth installment, why are they trying to push it out to a younger audience? I mean these movies were out and doing well, before their new target audience was even born. Stick to what makes these movies great and stop fucking around with stuff you clearly do not understand.
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May 02, 2007 4:38:19 PM CDT
Who said an R-rated movie can't do big summer business?
by stifler's mom
2003- MATRIX RELOADED, $230 mil
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how many people will see the rating PG13 on the poster and just walk away? if the suits do it they deserve to fail. Die Hard is the greatest action movie ever made why? Yipee Kai Yey Motherfucker, that guy getting his kneecaps blown to shit, Mclane pulling glass from his feet, Takagi losing his brains and lots of other non PG13 stuff. if there is no viceral peril then why would we care about John Mclane? nothing bad or nasty would happen in PG13 world so why bother watching it, I am no gore hound I just would like a Die Hard with a little backbone.
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I actually just wrote this somewhere else. What kid is going to give a crap about Die Hard? Trying to cover all the bases doesn't work with this at all. It's DIE HARD. THIS IS MEANT TO BE R!!! ARRRGGHGHGHHHH
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PG-13 is death to this movie. simple. Die Hard can NEVER work as PG-13. If you want to make a PG-13 action movie, do something else.
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Fuck it. I'll wait for the unrated dvd. Yet another flick I don't need to see in the theater.
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Get over it man! They can't save it!
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can I get a hallelujah?
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"Don't be Ellis." Well said.
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when you post stuff in ALL CAPS!!! And use lots of EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!
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I agree but will someone get Vern an editor? Who has the time to read his freakin' novel response? If FOX actually started to read this, after scrolling down on the computer for the 4th time they'd say "fuck this..." and go do some blow.
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I mean, there's one thing I've always concluded from movies that can be R or PG13 - those movies are soft-R films anyway and they blow. Was this the original plan?? FUCK YOU FOX. THERE BETTER BE LOTS BLOODY ACTION OF MCCLANE KILLING TERRORISTS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE SERIES.
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ReCockulous....absofuckinglutely...reCockulous
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...they hit the back button at the part where he was like "take a look at Grindhouse. Come to think of it, Bruce Willis was in that too..."
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I cannot believe it. There is no way I am paying for a PG-13 Die Hard. Just going to buy the unrated DVD and pimp it out on my flatscreen. Fuck you Fox!
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... Die Hard 4 is North America's chance to take out all their terrorist-hating frustration in a single shot. I'm pretty sure no one has PG-13 frustrations... we want blood. 9/11... payback's a bitch.
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Not only was this hilarious to read, but it was also damn straight. Wasn't 300 R-rated? I don't know, lately I feel like Fox is actually TRYING to piss off the fans of all their franchises. The monkeys from the beginning of 28 DAYS LATER could run the studio better than Rothman.
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Mark my words....
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http://tinyurl.com/f6zrd And if they don't make it an R, then it just isn't Die Hard.
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http://tinyurl.com/2cqukz this thing kills me
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Apparently Fox has forgotten a little film called "300," which was rated R and grossed 207 million in North America alone.
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The fact is they're going to release it as PG-13 and it's going to make a bundle on opening weekend assuming the critics aren't phenomenally harsh. Aside from film fans nobody cares what it's rated, they see the title and they see Bruce Willis and that's all they want. FOX, just like most other companies, could give a fuck about our dislike. Don't rant to FOX, rant to the people planning on seeing this. FOX already knows the movie will be shit, so they might as well make it accessible shit that younger teens can see without their parents.
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I meant to say that Studios Don't Think R Rated Movies Can Make Money in the Summer. In the past, many have, though a lot of them don't break 200 million, which is what most summer movies are hoped to do. That's why more and more summer movies have been dialed down to PG-13. Sometimes this works to R Rated Movies' advantage. Wedding Crashers and 40 Year Old Virgin ended up being such a huge hit I think because people were tired of PG-13 and were so refreshed to see something R. Matrix Revolutions was part of a successful franchise. There will be a few successful R-Rated movies this summer, but I predict very few break out smashes that make over 200 million when opened around the same time as crowd-pleasing, wide audience grabbing like Rush Hour 3.
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i wont even see it. no way, no how. in fact, i wont see another FOX PG-13 movie ever again. hell, maybe ill never see a FOX movie again at ALL. we have to stop this folks.
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If this movie were successful, they'd make part 5, 6, . . . 17, . . . 25, whatever. Willis is getting to be like Harrison Ford - we don't need to see a senior citizen trying to do action scenes. The old movies were great, let it go already . . .
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This movie had slowly been winning me over, but wussing it down is the one possible thing that could have destroyed all hope I had.
If they can de-ball it down to a PG-13, that probably means it was close to one already. So I doubt this was along the lines of the originals which have something like 60+ "fucks" each.
This is absolute shit news.
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Die Hard With A Vagina!
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Although he seems willing to commit perjury.So Live Free or Die Hard is, y'know, for kids, plus in the UK we get the fucking geeky title Die Hard 4.0 because we're apparently too stupid to understand the joke. Meanwhile a wave of other child-friendly sequels and franchise movies delays the release of Grindhouse, which has been bifurcated anyway. I therefore nominate 2007 as the year Hollywood managed the not unremarkable feat of self-castration.
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This is a joke!
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what's the point of cramming another pg-13 sequel in this summer? there is no hope of beating spider-man and pirates at their own game, especially not with a franchise that has been out of theaters for over 10 years. now, an adult action movie on the other hand might be a niche that needs filling....
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Do not see this movie if it is PG 13. Tell all your non-TBer friends. Tell any little kids you know that this movie is really a kids movie (and thus not cool) and that they should just get the originals. This movie can be beaten.
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I'm not surprised. The suits at Fox are spineless posers. Nice leter Vern - sounds like someone read The Fountainhead.
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don't listen to the haters telling you to edit. That rant was not something to speed through, but something to be savored, reveled in. Hell, I read it twice. So thank you.
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Especially when he points out that 16-year-olds are NOT the target market for this movie. I was 17 when the original came out, and I thought it was the perfect action movie. Subsequent Die Hards still got my money, but like the man said, after 12 years, for another entry to pry any more cash away from my hands, it's got to be worth it. A PG-13 Die Hard is totally flacid and definitely not worth this adult's time. Listen to Vern, Fox.
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that's right, stick it to 'em Vern!
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THANK GOD! http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070502n.php
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Give victory a chance, muthafucka!Seriously though, how hard can this film be when the villain's a computer hacker?
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And Vern is preaching to the choir. (There is not one individual reading this site who would prefer a PG-13 rating for DIE HARD 4. Tig-ger, PLEASE.)
The PG-13 is going to stick because it’s purely a bookkeeping decision.
If DIE HARD 4 is rated R, 11-year-old kids will simply buy tickets to SHREK 3 and march into the DIE HARD 4 auditorium. DreamWorks collects all the “Die Hard 4” dollars and contributes them to the Obama campaign.
If DIE HARD 4 is rated PG-13, children of any age can effortlessly put the money in the hands of the Fox accountants. And then News Corp. can pass the presidential campaign funds along to whatever bullishit Christian oilman Halliburton deems to nominate next year.
This is the plan, and Fox will not deviate from this plan. Fox doesn’t give a shit what you’d enjoy, Vern. Most of the DIE HARD 4 tickets, like most the other cinema tickets generally , will be purchased by teens and college-age kids, not cranky 58-year-old paroled felons.
Anyway, DIE HARD 4 was directed by Kate Beckinsale’s handsome boyfriend, who made those shitty shitty supershitty UNDERWORLD movies. It was never ever ever going to be any good. Kindly shift your focus back to filmmakers that are worth the effort, like Soderburgh and Raimi and Nolan and the Coens.
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Going after the PG-13 rating is a sure-fire way to bring a new, younger audience to an R-rated franchise! It's bound to work for DIE HARD, just like it did with ALIEN: RESURRECTION, BEVERLY HILLS COP III, ANOTHER STAKEOUT, and ROBOCOP 3!
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Looks like it will now be a rental. I am not giving my $11 to some watered down "frickin" this and "frickin" that, and "mother frickin / screwer" shit. I want a fucking Die Hard movie!Fuck it Dude. Let's go bowling.I will not see this in the movies .... maybe www.allusee.net will have it a week after it comes out.
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And nor should anyone. Good work Vern.
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well said.
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that Bruce Willis is one of the all-time great screen-swearers around. He can string together some expletives like nobody this side of Sam Jackson. His rant in Pulp Fiction as he's on his way to get his watch back is some priceless swearing. The great thing about his scene with Karl in the first Die Hard was how he kept talking shit to him the whole time, talking about how he was gonna "break your fuckin' neck". Or his impassioned plea to the most annoying 911 operator in movie history "Jesus H. Christ, lady, do I sound like I"m ordering a fuckin' pizza?!?" On top of that, the Die Hard series as a whole has a long and glorious track record of solid cussers as supporting players. The king of which is Dennis Franz in #2 as the tight-ass airport cop who eventually comes around, but not before tearing Mclane a new asshole at least 3 or 4 times. Somehow I don't see that crucial archetype being filled by the kid from that movie where people got hit in the nuts with wrenches.
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I called this back when the very first teaser trailer hit. I said, please god don't do some stupid bullshit like have John McClaine say "yippee kai yay mother-" and then get cut off by a explosion or something. this is total bullshit. I dunno if I even want to see it anymore...
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I can't believe these Fox fuckers are going to cheat us out of seeing an R rated Die Hard movie on the big screen. OH BUT DONT WORRY - YOULL GET UR UNRATED AND UNCALLED FOR DVD RELEESE LOL! Fucking bullshit. These cocksuckers ruined XMen, and somehow found a way to destroy Alien and Predator in one fell swoop (which they're going to sweep again to make sure nothing is left intact). Fuck you, Fox. I have lost every ounce of respect for you degenerate fucktards. Do something about this Bruce!
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What's higher? NC17 or a R rating? Sorry, I'm stupid...
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And now McClane? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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does anyone remember when an action, horror or teen comedy movie was a GUARANTEED R-rating? there is just no modern-day equivalent of the Porky's shower scene on the big screen... video maybe (this "unrated" stuff is purely marketing hype), but not in a multiplex...
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Also could Fox be going PG-13 for this movie because maybe they're scared of what they've seen so far? What if it's really not a good movie and they figure the only way to make a few extra bucks is to be able to have a younger demo come out and pay money to see some truly horrible shite?
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PG-13???! Well I wont be seeing it........what a crock of horseshit. I can remember first watching Die Hard and being blown away by the gritty violence and strong language. Why bother making it at all? Dear God..is there nothing Fox won't fuck up.
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PG13 DIE HARD, I can't believe it. So we won't see much blood on McClane's shirt ey. No R-violence No money from me for studio. Fucking Fox, franchise killing whores.
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Then you ain't getting my fucking money!!!!!!! What kind of pussy whipped, cock sucking anally retentive fuck-wit thought this one up??!!!!!! Die HARD!!!!!! The clue is in the title you stupid pricks! We get precious little in the corporate sponsored world that is LA LA land that isn't sanitised and plenty of shitty product that is only thought of as being worthy if fans of the Ashley twins can go see it (and I don't mean the 'fans' of the twins that want to screw the shit out of them. Sick fucks) Die Hard IS the greatest American action flick of all time, I'm with Vern 100% on that one. Give it a swan-song worthy of that proud history!
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Seriously. Never in a million years did I think Die Hard 4 would be PG-13. Then I remembered this is the new and improved 20th Century Fox, where franchises go to die and TV shows fail to live.
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Die Hard was one of the first R-rated movies I ever saw in a theater. I've seen all three on their opening weekend. If this one is going to be PG-13, I will not pay money to see it!
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May 02, 2007 5:59:35 PM CDT
From the people that made a pg13 Alien vs Predator
by leafy mcplantsalot
how the fuck do you take two hard R franchises, pit them against each other in a battle to the death and somehow come out with a PG13 rating. I hate everybody. Especially myself for going to see that piece of shit in the movies. It felt like somebody watched Aliens once and wrote a script....UGH!!!! As for Die hard 4, who cares, this movie had suck written all over it from the moment Len What The Fuck Have I Done To Deserve All This Good Fortune In MY Life - got a hold of it. Ugh. Why would Kevin Smith agree to be in this. He has to see why that would be bad, right? I just hope they go completely over the edge and get Vanilla Ice to do the Die Hard, Die Hard Rap! just like ninja turtles 2. Ugh!!!! Remember when people got into this business because they understood the magic and power of film. I hate everybody.
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I mean seriously...
All 4 Lethal Weapon Movies were R.
300 just blew people away and it was R.
All 3 of the Matrix movies have been R.
What do all those movies have in common??
WB made them!
They don't fucking shyaway from an R rating like these dumbasses at Fox!
Die Hard has always been about blowning shit up and killing the terroists and screaming YIPPIE KY YAY MOTHER FUCKER!
If this is PG-13, count me out.
I don't want to see a dumbed down kids version of Die Hard.
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...This has to be the worst idea since naming Renny Harlin director of Die Hard 2.
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You catch a cracker off guard with this shit!
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listened. I will explain again. One of the laws that the bush administration passed was called the family film act. Simply put it means that all studios have to by law have to tone down screen violence, take out cursing or anyhing that is deemed unsuitable for family audiences. Hence it is called the family film act.
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I have enjoyed the DH movies. All four should be equal billing in the "R" rating. There is no excuse for this.Also, to the idiot who said that 300 and Matrix were R movies that did good in the summer please check your facts again. Yes, they did fantastic at the box office but neither came out during the typical summer movie season. Both were March releases. Unless Fox changed this also then try to get the facts straight.I wonder what kind of people run something like Fox. I always wanted to be in on the conversations that determine what audiences should receive at the box office. I guess history is not important. Oh well, one less movie for me to see at the theater.
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is a complete douche bag. This country is being taken over by douche bags. Thanks Vern for getting pissed about it. I can't believe I read the entire thing.
(and another thing: If anyone from Macintosh/Apple (I refuse to call it "Mac") is reading this; please stop jamming that douche bag down our throats as a supposedly "cool guy". he's a fucking twerp. the dorky IBM guy is actually a lot more humble, disarming, easy to relate to and hence more charismatic. But then again, if you work on the "Mac" ad campaign, you're probably a total fucking douche bag yourself who drives a Segway to work and listens to bourgeois house music and says "podcast" a lot. Fuck you. -
Luckily I have no connection to this franchise whatsoever. I've never seen a Die Hard film and it doesn't look like I'm gonna start anytime soon. Boycott it, motherfuckers. PG-13? Sissy, pansy bullshit.
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I bet we see Bruce Willis chasing after bad guys in one of those Shriner cars through some parade. There will be clowns, animals, and lots of kid sidekicks. It will be rated PG.
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Vern, I'm with ya 100%. So, I guess that the part in the trailer where he says "Yippee Kai Yey" then gets cut by something will actually happen in this movie. Fuck you, Fox!
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Matrix Reloaded made 900 billion dollars in the summer. As did Troy and Wedding Crashers. Even Bad Boys 2 didn't bomb.
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Matrix 2, Terminator 2, Bad Boys 2, Saving private Ryan, Gladiator, Air Force One. all high grossing r rated action/ish. leave the kid alone
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That's all I'm saying, Fox. And Bruce sure as hell can't say what I just said if Live Free or Die on a Mineature Golf Course is PG-13. Save the line. Get the R. That's all I'm saying. Happy Trails. By the way, Vern, you fucking rock.
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You are all complaining that this film is not violent enough and yet the NRA is say there should be no gun control and if the students of Virginia tech had them there would have been no massacre. and yet loner can go into a gun shop and buy guns and blow people away. Insane.
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"Yipp Ka Yaaaaaay... Buttercup?"" Why stop at 13? Make it G like that 300 video. Then maybe I'd see it. Watered down McClane... what's the world coming too?
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rated 'R' and everybody in my junior high school saw it anyway.
Police Academy 2: PG-13... again everybody went and saw it; but even at 14 years old we were already getting over it.
When Police Academy films 3 through infinty came out and were rated PG, the only people I knew that saw them were the five year old brothers of my girl friends.
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YOUR STUDIO FUCKING SUCKS. NO 16 YEAR OLDS WANT TO SEE BRUCE WILLIS DRIVE AROUND THE MAC KID. THIS ONE IS FOR THE 20SOMETHINGS WHO KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS UP. FUCK YOU FOX. A PG13 DIE HARD IS LIKE A PG BEVERLY HILLS COP OR A G-RATED NINJA TURTLES MOVIE. IT'S THE ANTHESIS OF THE TITLE AND THE CATCH PHRASE AND THE WHOLE 'KILLING MOTHERFUCKING TERRORISTS, LIVE VICARIOUSLY" THING. FUCKING IDIOTS. YOU PROBABLY GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI.
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The fact that it was, you know, Miami Vice, and also a stinking pile of boring inchorent ugly shit didn't help it's box office either.
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I love the name and trailer, but if this gets a PG-13, I've lost all little faith left I have in Fox.
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...there will be a resurgance of hard R movies again. This religious right element that all these fucking myopic idiots in Hollywood so fear, will have lost their voice when we elect Gore or even Guiliani (the best scenario for Repubs).....Our next President isn't going to give a shit if John McClane says Mutherfucker or Sharon Stone takes it in the ass in Basic Instinct 3...they'll have better things to do like govern our country with a brain. Hollywood sucks balls. They are scared of alienating the dreaded "MIDDLE AMERICA" which translates to white religious fanatics. For some reason they care more about one sect of our country that probably doesn't go to their movies to begin with. They steal them. Online or w/hacked Direct TV boxes. Trust me. Everytime I've been in Middle America I'm stunned to see how smart those fuckers are when it comes to piracy. The moral of the story is this -- If John McClane can't say Yippe Kay Yay Mutherfucker in this movie, it will be laughed off as a tremendous bomb. Pull yer mutherfucking heads out of your asses Fox.
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Seriously what the fuck, gogo the return of the production. :o
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They'll release a PG film, and then make almost double the money when they release the PG & the R rated DVDs. Sucks to be a cinema fan.
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Get Harry to Get Sly to Get BRUCE to lean on the studio.
Ths studios laugh at TBs like this. I'm not wasting my energy ranting. It' SUCKS, but the studio will o what the studio will do. NOW, if you REALLY want to piss them off, get one of our web savvy TBers to set up a Boycott Die Hard website. With enough names, the media will pick it up (Next on CNN: the Power of the INternet!). seriouly, lets use the power of the web and fans.
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SERIOUSLY, THIS IS THE SUMMER THAT TWO OUT-OF-SHAPE TEENAGERS IN SUPERBAD WERE MORE BADASS AND MANLY THAN JOHN MCCLANE. RIDICULOUS. FOX, IF YOU WERE SMART YOU WOULD HAVE HAD AN ONLINE DONATION WEBSITE WHERE FANS OF DIEHARD COULD DONATE $1 TOWARDS A FUN THAT SET A QUOTE OF BLOODY DEATHS. I WOULD HAVE DONATED $10 ON TOP OF MY TICKET TO GET THAT FUCKER UP TO 300+ TERRORIST DEATHS. INSTEAD, I'M GIVING ALL MY MONEY TO SUPERBAD THIS SUMMER, THE HARDEST-R MOVIE AROUND. EAT BALLS FOX. I GUESS WHATEVER FUNDS YOUR COKE HABITS, YOU SOULESS CREATIVE VOIDS.
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People have all but forgotten to say that in the talkbacks. Well if I'm gonna be the only one to keep it going, so be it. DAMN YOU ROTHMAN!!!! Fire this fucker already, shit.
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Or is this just Bruce rambling?
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Check out his post. He stated that 300 and the Matrix 1 were summer movies R rated that did great. Yes, both did fantastic business.They were not summer movies though. Not once anywhere in my post did I say that R rated movies did poorly in the summer. I saw many of the examples that were given. I love good R movies. All I know is that if you are going to talk the talk and rip other peoples posts then perhaps he should have done his homework with some the movies you both suggested. Wedding Crashers is an excellent example. Now let us pray that all Fox executives will feel the wrath of Bruce when he comes storming into their offices to kick some ass.
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Good for you Vern. We have to sort this shit out! One word (sort of) 300! That was R as a motherfucker and made a double ton of cash - worldwide. And that starred a Scots plank who can't speak properly... This has Bruce Willis in full non-cameo, non-Halle Berry, non-range exploring Fuck-you-I'm-Bruce-Willis mode. FUCK! Let the man MP5 kneecap someone in super slo mo. Let him drive an icicle into some goon's ocular cavity. Let him blow away a bunch of dudes at close quarters, in an elevator, on a hunch! It's what he does.
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Rupert Murdoch Runs Fox as a family company. Die hard came out before he took it over. If Die hard had been released under his watch, it would have got a pg13 rating. He went ballistic when he found out about Fight Club, that movie was edited down under his orders, nothing happens in FOx without Murdochs approval and or say so, which is why he dumped futurama and family guy. He is unique in the world of entertainment, he has seen off all his rivals and if vern thinks that he will lose any sleep over the rantings of a fanboy thing again. Murdoch runs Fox with an Iron fist. Even his children call him boss and his children all work for him. He maybe 80+ put this is one of the smartest shrewdest people around. Who bought myspace for 300 million? he earns more money then any of you and he really doesnt give a shit. He is the boss of twentieth century Fox and untill such time as he cant breath, that is the way things will remain. If you want to understand the boss. buy the Murdoch Archipelago. and shudder.
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are they going to have to change Tim Olyphant's character name to Mr. Falcon?
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Do you see people... R rated action movies abound, then the terrorist attacks of 2001, thereafter a decent into PG-13 mush. It was their plan all along, nobody respects America because of things like PG-13 Die Hards. It was a terrorist plan more fiendish than anything Marwan ever devised. The only way to fight back is a return to R rated action flicks of yore...
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This entire thread is like one big chicken juss' waitin' to get plucked. Flip those melon farmers.
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Full-on unrated European director's cut with special Paul Verhoeven guest-directed sex scene or he's not eating his vegetables! FUCK BROCCOLI!
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The first one was pretty good but nothing to write home about, the second sucked a big donkey's balls, the third one was watchable-- on cable. I'm not holding out hope for this nor am I going to go out of my way to pay to see it. I don't give a shit about the rating. Bruce Willis career has pretty much run its course at the point where he lost that last bit of hair on his head.
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Seriously I feel sad and angry. All the other films in the series were R and each one made more money than the last! Why are they second guessing that? Corporate cowardice pure and simple. I was a member of the built in guaranteed first weekend auience for this movie, but guess what I will no longer be seeing this in theatres. I feel betrayed and insulted. I want to say this again : All the other films in the series were R and each one made more money than the last!
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I don't care what Willis supposedly said, this project probably only got green-lit if they promised to turn in a PG-13, even if they knew a harder version would exist for DVD. TRUST ME, it will have been shot for PG-13 with pussified content like Terminator 3 and Alien vs Predator (I'm not sure if T3 got a PG-13 but it got a 12A in the UK which is the same) and like those additions to classic franchises you just mess it all up by not taking the content level to the same...level. To some people this could look like a lot of whiney fanboys complaining because *wah* swwearwing and bwlood won't *wah* be in *wah*, but like has been said, this will NOT BE DIE HARD.
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Yeah, it sucks that George W. Bush himself deployed special forces to the studios to prevent them from filming R-rated movies. And now we're stuck with family fluff like Hostel and Hostel Part 2 and The Hills Have Eyes and The Hills Have Eyes 2 and Saw 1, 2, 3 and 4 and Turistas and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Hannibal Rising and Zodiac.
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Have you fuckers seen a PG-13 movie lately? They are more violent than an R-rated movie from the 80's. You have to disembowel somebody on screen to get an R rating these days. There's nothing in the original Die Hard that you can't see on fucking 24 every week. Chill.
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I'm in an existential mood tonight.
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in my heart i feel they might just make it an r rated movie and all will be well. but in my brain i think that since the movies got some young kid sidekick and young daughter held hostage the studios want highschool kids to see this and it will be pg-13. when i was in highschool i saw r' rated movies all the time. then i remember when i was 18 in like 1996 things started to change and they started carding at theatres, luckily i missed that. my point is fuck pg-13, i could handle an r rated movie in 5th grade even.
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Live Free Or ... I'm sorry, this has never happened to me before. Just give me a couple of minutes. Maybe if we watch a video or something. No, no... don't go... Awwwww hell.
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This news is too shitty and too soon!
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total bullshit. so you get one fuck use in a pg13 right? so in the trailer when he says the yippee kay yay motherfucker and it cuts out before he says it...that oh...whatever. you cant make die hard pg13. i agree with you about the father and son thing too. my dad watched die hard with me when i was pretty young. that part where he's picking the glass out of his feet! that shit was fucked up. i cant beleive they would bother with this shit. why not just make another generic bruce willis movie instead of fucking up die hard.
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Say what you will about Transformers, in the end it's just a cartoon. This is a MUCH BIGGER travesty if it's true. Fox has been getting a free pass because we're obsessed with flames on fucking Optimus!!!!!
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now i've got an unrated yippy kay yay edition. give me a break. i was born in 1983 and i grew up with john mcclane. i remember riding my huffy up to kmart to buy the THX VHS trilogy set. i can see it now. bruce willis facing off against a terrorist who tells his henchmen "don't forget to use your nails boys"
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Boycott the film if it is PG-13. I want to Die Hard!
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a pg13 mentality. in order to be a true r-rated movie, it has to be r-rated from the start. its like when they added penis biting or whatever to that stupid snake ride on a plane. it was still a pg13 movie even if they did go back and add some r rated type shit.
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getting a pg-13 is not bad, coulda been worse, coulda been PG....pg-13 is a compromise from the studio when a movie is originally rated R but the filmakers agree to cut a couple of really graphic scenes....it prob wil be an R tho... anyone else see bruce willis drunk at the nets game online somewhere, where hes saying how this movie is his favorite movie since the original...and whoever said it earlier please dont say TROY or WEDDING CRASHERS when u want to argue why DIE HARD is ok with a pg-13 rating...no comparison, sorry, i dont find owen wilson or that other guy that funny anyways....and who gives a flying fuck about brad pitt anymore.....lay off the mac dude, hes an up and coming star, so is the hottie they got to play mcclaines daughter.......michael bay woulda made an awesome die hard movie...lol
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I guess you have never heard of Lee Marvin, Lee VanCleef, Clint Eastwood, Toshiro Mifune, Charles Bronson, etc. All those guys kicked ass till they day they died you fucking pussy.
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Clint is still alive... but goes without saying.
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I can't believe this, I really can't... I was so excited by that last trailer, thinking of how much cool John McClane action they weren't showing us cause it was bloody or profane filled... I'm really not sure I'll see this now. I just went from seeing it on open day to maybe not seeing it at all. Let me guess, "Yipee Kay Yay Mother Fucker" will be the one F word in the film so they can keep it pg-13.. I am really dissapointed...
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on a sissy PG-13 Die Hard. Never in a million years. Gotta sneak in theaters instead, and then spread the word that the movie is fucking bad (and I have a bunch of friends who are relying on my opinion when it comes to movies - much less when it comes to geopolitics, go figure)
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Who the hell ever even thought of making a Die Hard movie that was going to be rated pg-13. a lot of the most exciting parts and plot points in the original came with britality.
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This guy isn't as funny as Vern, but maybe the more rants that show up, maybe FOX will re-consider!
haha yeah right.
anyway:
http://tinyurl.com/3dlew9
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And just as crappy too!
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Get your shit straight, no one is MAKING the studios dumb down the violence. If the shit you were talking about were true, do you think we would have seen Hostel, or Grindhouse? No, you fuck!
Studios are dumbing shit down so they can make more money off of dumb ass people like you, who probably thought the Phantom Menace was "OMG! Kick ass, I love Jar jar!"
Fuck off and die.
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I won't go see it if it gets hacked to a PG-13. The first three were "R", "Shoot Em Up" will be "R", "300" one of the biggest movies of this year so far was "R" and didn't suffer from that at all. Giving a Die Hard movie an R rating will take the violent edge from it. It will feel cheapened somehow. The grittiness that makes these movies what they are will be absent. Not even kidding. This movie gets a PG-13, I don't give a shit. Fox will not get my hard earned six bucks for the flick. Hell, they won't even get my one dollar when it reaches the dollar theater here in Fort Worth. It's a fucking Die Hard movie. PG-13? No ass in seat for it. Plan and simple...
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DIE HARD AT THE BOX OFFICE. Because it will. Best Vern posting EVER. Reason 1: "a die hard DIE HARD die hard". Brilliant. Reason 2: The bit about fathers and sons is directly on point, 100% accuracy. DIE HARD wasn't the first R movie I saw in a theater with my dad - that'd be BEVERLY HILLS COP II. But it was the first one that actually mattered, where we both came out of it knowing we'd just witnessed a for-real classic and that mom almost certainly wouldn't have approved. Way to fuck up a much-needed father-son bonding moment for the youth of today, Fox. You guys just plain suck.
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It's not a Die Hard movie without a Yippie Ki yay Motherfucker! That's sure to be the first thing gone despite being in the trailers now...
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Those guys fucked up with Aliens, Predator, X-men and, for many, Star Wars and Terminator - plus The Simpsons, The X Files, 24 and many others on TV. Of course they'd fuck up John McLane. That's what Fox do. It fucks up things.
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Seems like its standard procedure for movies studios to double dip the public now. Release a movie in theaters at PG-13 to maximize your potential audience. Then turn around six months later and release a special edition unrated version to lure people into buying the version "you couldn't see in theaters!" What a load of bullshit! It like a bait and switch scam. You pay your cash to see a movie in good faith believing its the finished product. Then you find out six months later there is actually a different version of the movie coming out on DVD that may or may not be better then the one you shelled out $20 to see. Now I understand that directors may film scenes or an ending to a movie that may not make the final cut, but back in the day that was a decision that was made to make the movie best possible "final" version possible. You just know that the new Die Hard movie was filmed with a PG-13 and an R rated version. Why not release both versions at the same time and see how they do money wise.
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Dirty Harry with a walker and a 12 gauge! Hahaha! I don't think I've laughed that hard in a while! Back to Die ??? This series began and should end as a rated R, balls to the wall, all out action flick. This watering down of hard, R rated franchises needs to stop pronto (I'm lookin at you, Alien vs Predator) Like someone else said earlier, his goddamn tag line is "yipee-kay-yay mother fucker". How is he supposed to pull that line off in a pg-13 flick? It'll be like watching an R rated flick dubbed over for basic cable. Yipee-kay-yay mother flower. Doesn't have the same ring to it. And can someone point Fox over to Box-Office Mojo and show them how much money an R rated flick can make (300?) Jesus...
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As stated in the opening, the film was shot as an R and will LIKELY be cut to PG-13. This isn't guaranteed and it is not the end of the world. It's just another grey hair on the film communities head. We're not at "Stroke" alert yet, people.
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...venom and fiery anger-ridden R-rated shit, but I just can't bring myself to do it. So, I'll keep it short: Fuck you, fucking Fox, you motherfuckin' shitheads.
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That was my understanding of the MPAA rating (as a non-USA-ian), so long as the "fuck" isn't sexual. They'll probably still be able to slip in the "Yippie-kay-yay, Motherfucker!" so long as it's not replaced with; "Yippie-kay-yay and now I will fuck your mother til she die hard!".
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.....little kids and gays who like 13 year olds.
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I'm Down with the violence and bad language. I'm also down with films that are unreasonably irrisponsably violent as ever living fuck too.
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the movies you mentioned were not released as summer movies. asswipe!
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And as for best action film of all time, I think Raiders is alittle better than Die Hard. So get over the dearth of four letter words, people.
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Fucking cocksucking pussies. It's just a movie, but FUCK!
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... you are a fool if you make this PG-13
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...Dwayne!"
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...mother fricker! ...mother fudger! ...you very bad man! ...jerk! ...poopie head! ...villain number four! Doesn't have the same ring as YIPPIE-KAI-AYE MOTHER FUCKER!
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The American Family could fall apart. Brilliant. Thank you Vern. You remain my favorite AICN contributor. Now to read everyones' posts.
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And I want to see a good hard R-action film. What about me, I'm in the target demographic? Look like I'll have to look elsewhere.
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What's funny is that routine is over thirty years old...AND IT'S STILL TRUE TODAY! Here's the transcript: http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/SevenDirtyWords.shtml
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Die Hard, First Blood, The Terminator, Aliens, RoboCop, Predator...the list goes on and on. All uncompromising, hard R actions flicks that made fortunes and launched franchises. Maybe I'll just sit home with my DVD collection and giant TV this summer and reminisce about that golden age when action movies weren't pussified crap.
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I concur. Raiders is actually the greatest American action movie. Otherwise, great article Vern. I wonder if Raiders would get a PG if released today.
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Check out a bombed Willis the other night @ NY Nets game. He drunk as shit and says this film is BETTER than the first one! Oh, and he says....? Check it out!
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maybe some of you here have participated in the jerk-off sessions called meetings at the studios. where the marketing "staff" has more say than anyone else. fuck them and fuck hollywood. they're so afraid to not make their bottom-line (even though the bottom line is a hazy concept), and not reach their core-audience (read: kids), that they forget that WE are the core audience. fuck them. budgets have ballooned so out of whack that its somewhat understandable that they want the most people seeing their movies as possible, but come on -- what 14 year old cares about Die Hard? one of the talkback posters was right -- this "core" was what, 4 when the original came out? were they even born? give me fucking break. None of these execs have the guts to stand up. Sure some of them can say "well Miami vice was R-rated and look how it did... Or Grindhouse etc" Well Vice SUCKED and Grindhouse was looooong and masturbatory. I read an early draft of Die Hard 4.0 (at the time), so i dont know how its changed, but reading it i remember so clearly saying that if this ever gets made, it'll never get an R. Can you imagine any of the best action movies of the 80s getting made now? Beverly Hills Cop without swearing? FUCK THEM. Yes the scotch has kicked in tonite, but the state of the studio system is pathetic and run by spineless jellyfish whose only existence is to not get fired.
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This isn't my usual kinda thing, but being a fan of films and movies, I have an overwhelming desire to speak up about this subject. The castration of films for the sake of making a buck. For years and years now, we've been subjected to movies pushed out by major studios for the sole purpose of making that almighty teen dollar, the babysitter buck, if you will. We were subjected to one of the most poorly executed ideas in film franchise history in the past 5 years with a high concept, fan driven, clusterfuck that was Aliens vs Predator. Two franchises on their own with nothing but a hard R rating for each of the films that came before this steaming pile of shite. The same studio who produced and distributed a rushed final X-men movie. The same studio which is about to drop, of all things, a fucking PG-13 DIE HARD FLICK. This news dropped into my lap this evening, with a suprising ball crushing thud. When I was the wee age of 9, I watched the first Die Hard film. That shit changed my life; albeit the first R rated film I ever saw in theatres was Rambo 3. Nevertheless, the central point is, that film and the next 2 sequels after that were also very R rated. To make anything less is completely FUCKED UP. This isn't too much of a blow, I suppose the studio that is doing this is simply just packing more asses in seats. They will without a doubt release a director's cut on DVD in about 5 months, after the film sees it's last pennies from that aforementioned babysitter buck. That is no consolation prize to those who this franchise was bulit around. We the people, deserve as much blood, ass, guts, tit and profanity as we have been taught to get from a film titled Die Hard. This studio doesn't give a flying fuck about us, they have proven it time and time again, with the treatment of fan films such as Alien vs Pedator and the countless comic book films that they have butchered. Word on the streets is for the next Fantastic Four film, which is technically the Silver Surfer movie fan boys like myself have been pining away for since the days of the first Spider-Man flick and even before then. In this flick, which the first one actually sucked sweaty goat balls for many different reasons, they have taken the Surfer's nemesis, Galactus and supposedly turned this massive alien being with a big fucking purple helmet, (insert joke here), into a fucking ominous looking gas cloud. For fuck's sake people, we can't do this shit to ourselves anymore. Let the true fans be heard, after all it is our money that essentially fuels these pieces of film and sound into the staples in pop culture that they eventually become. Stop paying for this shit and maybe we won't have to endure this kind of blatent corporate disregard towards our cherished artistic properties. If this trend doesn't stop, I for one, we be forced to make my own movies; out of wooden toilet paper and binge drinking, alcohol induced explosive hobo shit. Still, the finished product would draw more attention and praise than a PG-13 Die Hard movie. Thoughts please.
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This is the coolest thing I've ever read on this site. Loved the part about the dads taking their sons and having them think the dad is cool. So fucking true. Good job, Vern. I hope it works.
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means the terrorists have won. Fox of course, being the terrorists. Unrated dvd, here we come. By the by, where is the fucking Last Boy Scout sequel dammit? Vern, top drawer column brother. Keep it up.
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This isn't about a lack of witty profanity-laced insults. It's about abandoning the characterization and tone established by the first 3 movies. Die Hard isn't Die Hard without Takagi's brains splattering all over a glass door after Gruber ventilated his skull. DH2 isn't DH2 without bullets ripping through bodies in the Annex Skywalk shootout or McClane stabbing a dude in the eye with an icicle. And DH3 ain't DH3 without that crazy blonde bitch painting the walls with a security guard's blood as she slashed his throat a billion times. We don't want to see a PG-13 Die Hard any more than you would want to see an R-rated Indiana Jones. Indy spilling blood, ruthlessly killing people, getting drunk and dropping an endless series of F-bombs wouldn't sit too well with you, would it? That's because it would be a complete bastardization of an established character. Open your eyes--Fox is changing a character we love only to increase their bottom line. And for that we say, "Fuck them."
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The fact that you can't differentiate between Indiana Jones and John McClane is why they screw up movies with ratings system. Action movies have genres of their own. I don't think anyone here would like an Indy movie that was full of curse words, darker,and overt gore (hence why Temple is sort of shunned). They also don't want John McClane softened as it would take away from the character and atmosphere created by the other movies. Different things need to be handled with different gloves and Fox put their Kid Gloves on a few years ago and hasn't taken them off.
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It doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Bubba: Raiders is perfection. It's Beethoven's 5th.
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Not even a casual Die Hard fan would buy a PG-13 DIE HARD starring the Mac kid and tech nerd Kevin Smith and no cursing McClane.
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I still though Casino Bond was a PG-13 badass. Ditto Batman Begins. Guess we'll always agree to disagree. Besides, being in the minority is cool, but maybe not for Fox. lol
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Thanks to the fucking suits. They wonder why people download movies when they keep pulling shit like this?
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Raiders was a PG franchise. Die Hard is an R franchise. Of course you can make a good PG-13 action movie. But not Die Hard. "Yippee Kay yay...moth...*explosion*!!! Whatever.
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If this thing is released with a PG-13 rating about the only thing that will 'Die Hard' will be the franchise itself.
As a young man the original Die Hard was the most kick ass action movie I had ever seen and still ranks in my favorite 2 or 3 all time films of that genre. There was a hero that was flawed, but beyond that, he wasn't invincible. He gets f*cked up and hurt. Not everything goes his way either, but he perseveres and makes do.
I dont know if those studio heads realize how loyal fans can be to film franchises that they love. The Die Hard franchise are adult action movies. They arent for kids. As Vern pointed out, the only audience that changing from an 'R' to a 'PG-13' would benefit would be an audience that was barely out of diapers when the last movie was released. They didnt grow reciting lines from the movie, especially the trademark, "Yippi-Kay-Ay". The very audience that should be courting and marketing to are those of us that made the previous 3 films a part of our lives. I know that I sure as hell will not go to see in a theater, EVER rent, or watch on free tv ANY Die Hard film that's emasculated enough to be released to theaters with a PG-13 rating. Talk about a slap in the face...
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thats the whole point.
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I don't think those should be R. They are gateway heros.. If they were to much more violent and darker it would take away from their accessability. A 9 year old probably shouldnt be watching Die Hard, they should be watching Casino Royale and Batman to get ready for Die Hard in a couple years. Plus those were reboots... if in 15 years they want to reboot Die Hard (shudder) and want to take the character in that direction of PG-13 I guess they can. But if it's Bruce yippekayaking through some terrorists then there better better be some blood and fucks.
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PETITION, SOMETHING, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE MADE VOCAL. FUCK FUCK FUCK.
EVEN IF THE FILM SUCKS ANYWAYS AND THEY WANT TO CHOP IT TO PG 13 WE SHOULD KICK THEIR ASSES SOMEHOW JUST FOR PAYBACK. FUCK. -
The American public may not know quality, but they feel honesty. It's why Grind House Tanked... it was too tounge in cheek and disingenuine. If it had been truthfully bloody, like 300 then it would've been a success. Same here. if the American public gets a whiff that this is gonna be bullshit PG-13, it'll tank. Hopefully they'll learn their lesson and next time we'll be safe.
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That will just mean that they leave in a FUCK here or there. It doesn't change the fact that they FILMED it to be optional. It's like those hi-larious PG-13 comedies that suck ass and then they release the "wild unrated" version and there's never really anything different because they never filmed the movie to be an R in the first place.
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although, i believe the movie won't be nearly as good as the others, i would still want to watch it, but Fox has sealed the deal because I will not watch a PG 13 DIE HARD. Instead, i will be pirating it. peace.
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For reals.
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When Sly comes back, I want to rant about Burt Young being snubbed by the academy. I mean, did you see the emotion when he said "I can do this no more Rocko." Paulie owns.
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And it's official. They're the summer's biggest pussies. Yippy Ki Yay, Martha Focker!
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Good point and all, but was that supposed to be a review? Did you see it to make sure it actually sucked?
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If Bruce Willis is that unhappy with it being PG-13 he should threaten not to promote the movie unless Fox meets his demands of an R-rating. That strategy worked wonders for Tom Cruise when he wanted that episode of South Parked from Paramount.
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Believe it.
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"And for kids who are allowed to go to R-rated movies with grownups. It is part of a long tradition of dads taking their kids to see R-rated movies, and making them think their dad is cool. If you pull this punk PG-13 move their dads will no longer be cool. The American family could fall apart." Well said. I was one of those kids, and it was great. I saw Alien and The Shining both by the age of 5. I turned out great.
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this film. I expected to see it in the theater, but I didn't like the bald pate, the Mac kid--hated the idea of that snot-nosed brat fucking up the movie--and the CGI was way out of control. BUT it was Die H*** and it was Bruce Willis, so who knows, maybe it would surprise. But releasing at anything less than an "R" rating is heresy. It's walkie talkies instead of guns. It's Greedo shooting first. It's Indy having a son tagging along. IT'S WRONG.
So I won't be dropping my $11 for Live Free or Die Broke. Take that and shove it in your spreadsheet, accountants/cowards who run Fox. If you have a certain director like PT Anderson make a film for you, you give him the tools and the cash and get out of his way. If you have Bruce Willis star in another Die Broke movie, you let the bullets fly, the blood flow, and the buildings explode...and you make damned certain that it's an R rated film, because there is something known as TRADITION. And that should still matter in this business.
But here's the deal: Fox learned from observing Lucas' experience with the Prequels that you can ignore the ones who brought you to the dance, because there is a whole new generation of suckers who don't know any better. So they will play it safe and put this out as a PG-13 and expect that they can release an "unrated" DVD that will sell like hotcakes because of all that juicy stuff they cut for the theatrical run. But the truth is all they'll do is add a few minutes, and they can call it unrated, and they'll sell a bunch of discs, and they'll have their jobs, and they'll sleep very well at night, because they got theirs, Jack, and they're soulless bastards anyway.
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Releasing a PG-13 Die Hard would be career suicide. Die Hard was a series known for 2 things: brutal, bloody action and Bruce Willis dropping the F-Bomb. I know FOX execs probably think "well, we can still do a PG-13 and give them big action sequences and stunt." But what you WON'T have is the blood flying from the gunshot wounds, icicles through the eyes, or all the stuff that makes the Die Hard series great. You'll have a movie that looks like Die Hard, but lacks any of what MADE it Die Hard. It will suck if it's PG-13.
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It would be nice if some of this pissy whining (with which I agree, btw) could actually, i don't know, find it's way into a wider medium than AICN. This is something requiring all-out social activism.Now, back to my lasagna.
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Thank you, Vern, that was truly kickass. PG-13 Die Hard? They might as well rerelease The Detective and call it Die Hard Begins, to complete this desperate ATTEMPT (and probably failed attempt) at a cash-in... (actually, rereleasing The Detective would be pretty cool)...
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God DAMMIT I hate Fox. Fuck those stupid bastards and their ridiculous decisions. Whether it's the TV or the Movies, FOX = SHIT. If it's not R, I ain't goin.
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"Die Hard" was one of the first really good action movie I remember seeing as a kid in the theater. An old friend on the family took me to see it on the airbase in Turkey when I was 7. I can't imagine a PG-13 "Die Hard." I'm a fan of the series that loves 1 and 3, and thought 2 was ok. I have personal reasons to love 3, cause some of it was filmed where I lived in and around Charleston, SC at the time.
Vern, congrats I agree. No R rating, no sale. I already am afraid of the director, he fucking blows. If this makes money, my big request, do one more full R rating with Micheal Bay directing (but strip him of his known ammenities, like the silly logos, etc.). Like when he did "Bad Boys", when he was just a budding action director. Micheal Bay could make one hell of a "Die Hard" film. -
I guess there is now no reason whatsoever to watch this movie. Spiraling downhill since the first that puts this in the toilet. They will not get my money.
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As another poster mentioned, Fox will definitely release an R rated version on DVD (to double dip after it's first released in a PG13 version). This is going to be the same problem a 24 film will have (that a PG13 rating will be an insult to that show's fans), if that gets off the ground before it's final season (since it has 2 seasons left), or just after it finishes on TV.
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wake the fuck up hollywood
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I saw the trailer for the first time yesterday, and I forwarded it to a few friends because it looked awesome. "Sure, the Mac guy sucks, but it's Die Hard" I said to myself. Then, after watching an awesome episode of Lost, I swing by here on the way to the talkback and I see this shit.
WHAT. THE. FUCK. There is absolutely no way in hell I will pay money to watch a PG-13 Die Hard. Fuck this shit, I'm spreading the word far and wide. If it ain't R, it definitely ain't Die Hard. Fuck, I have to go to bed pissed off now. -
This is the worst idea in the history of bad ideas. If this happens, my $$$$ stays firmly in my pocket.
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Seriously, CyberBeav, Die Hard had a soul, had a beating heart, sweat and sinew. Bay makes films that have all the depth of saran wrap. There are half a dozen directors who could breathe some serious life into Die Hard if given the chance. But Bay is definitely not one of them.
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No R, no $$$$$$$
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money, I think they just want to shit on the fans of these series. Even greed cannot explain how these assholes have consistently put out terrible sequels to time honored genre films. The only explanation is spite.
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May 02, 2007 10:50:35 PM CDT
I won't pay money to see a PG-13 version, on principle.
by chief redcock
That's all I have to say really.
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unless I am assured that it is likely to satisfy my requirements of it.
If a movie is trading on certain expectations, I have to be sure it's going to meet those expectations. Making Die Hard 4 a PG-13 is sufficient reason for me not to spend time and money going to see it.
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If is going to be PG-13 then I'm not going to see it. I'm sure it would be awesome to see it with a bunch of little kids talking on their cell phones with babies crying behind me. Count me out.
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Amen brother. Don't be Ellis.
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What a pile of crap. Fuck fox. They fuck their fans over fucking repeatedly. Fuck Fox. Fuck them up their stupid asses.
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Or perhaps Die Hard 4.0: The Xtra Cloudy and balmy edition.
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a plus.
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Cause that's how the models do it!
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I got that watching a Rated R film today. I ranted on The Zone. Nothing is sacred anymore. Sure it's just a movie, but I don't pay to listen to morons. I pay to watch a film. Well, I won't be paying to see this one.....Assholes.
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I'm not too familiar with Rupert Murdoch. Anyone know how conservative he is when it comes to "family values"? I'm starting to think the Fox heads might not have much say and that Murdoch may be setting FOX policy regarding ratings.
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Why is it that the only returning element from the original film is Bruce Willis?With A Vengeance was good,but sorely missed any other actor from the first Die Hard.At least Die Harder was smart enough to include some of the other characters,especially Bonnie Bedelia's Holly.The best the last one could do was have a shrill voice on the phone not unlike Selma Diamond's in It's a Mad,Mad,Mad,Mad World.And where is writer Steven DeSouza these days?If he wrote a sequel to Commando would it feature a twenty-something sidekick for Arnold like every other franchise sequel these days(Indiana Jones,Mummy and the new Die Hard).The other thing that pisses me off is Willis dumping on the other two sequels.He seemed happy enough when he was promoting them.
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http://realtime.com/realtime_news/rt_entertainment/rt_more_entertainment_news/14354137_die_hard_sequel_big_in_blogosphere.html?pageid=nandu.category-leaf&pageregion=A3
Is this a joke? Didn't know the Die Hard hype machine was so powerful. I have a hard time believing that Pirates and Spiderman will not gross 4 times as much as this not-needed movie. I love how they try to claim that this is the sleeper hit of the summer. -
""What? A new DIE HARD? Where he's bald? And the title is funny? And the Macintosh guy is in it? And fucking Silent Bob? And it's PG-13? I don't want to see that shit!" "
Othen then the PG 13 rating, and the lame title, everything else you just named is awesome. I'll be there opening night. -
Die hard is not even the most anticipated Movie In a Fox Board room.
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Enough emails, MAY change something????
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Goddamn you FOX and whatever cunt you crawled out of.
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executives don't know what the fuck is going on.
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Don't exploit the V-Tech massacre by bringing it into this debate. I don't know what bumfuck country you're from, but we all have our problems. Ours in consideration, I'm sure we still pound your ass any day of the week on the worthiness scale. And if you're that passionate about your stance, then don't see the movie no matter the rating, or plenty of other movies for that matter that may have some violence. Whiny anti-american fucks.
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Not sure if it's homo-erotic love, but you just said it like it is and for this, Vern, I will thank you forever!
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There is absolutely no way you can possibly make a Die Hard movie without the above word being used at least a dozen times, along with really bloody graphic gunshots. If this movie isn't rated R, I WILL NOT see it, andI will suggest to all my friends that they not see it (as it is, nobody is really talking about this movie or interested in seeing it). Fox, don't be retarded. Seriously. Stop and think...dont make yourselves look foolish.
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Shoot some close ups of Sam Jackson and pop it back up to an R.
I'm hoping, for the fan's sake, that fox is just posturing so that when they decide to release the film as an R they can make a really big deal out of its R rating and how they're devoted to giving the fans what they want, responding to the will of the people, what a fan friendly monster we are, etc.
But frankly, this flick just doesn't look to have any of the swagger of the other Die Hards. It looks like it has that CGI sheen to it, digital cars flyin at people n shit. I'm guessing we will not hear Bruce say "You shoulda heard your brother squeal when I broke his fucking neck."
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"What is it, Philbrick?"
"It's those talking back fellas again!"
"Well? Whaddaya waitin' for? Print out the backtalkers chat and call a meeting. Oh, and fetch me that geek dictionary, you know -- the one with all the sex and shit words in it."
"It's no use, chief. Not this time."
"Whaddaya mean 'it's no use', Philbrick? We're FOX!"
"Well, chief, Vern's leading them."
"What?! Quick, scramble the lawyers! Slap the lids on! Recall the script! Muster the plants! Spin it, Philbrick, SPIIIIIIIN IIIIIT!!"
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You have my sword, sir. Let's take 'em down.
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that "don't be Ellis" shit was classic.
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Still wont change the fact the brilliant mind behind Underworld and Underworld 2: Underworld Harder (Not to mention the upcoming Underworld Begins. DVD's are beautiful things and the original will never Die......uh......Hard....
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Let's unite and write "BOYCOTT" IN THE SUBJECT LINE FROM HERE ON. Die Hard deserves one of those '60s type protests.
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You are right, DIE HARD is not a PG-13 franchise. And about the Dad thing, again true. I my be old but my dad took me to see "Freebie and the Bean" remember that one? And also "Survive" HAHA. People eating human flesh, Man i miss those days. Die Hard is one of those movies, that mom's don't agree with. But it is one those films where your old man and you can bond. Where a man can shoot someone else in the head, AND YOU SEE IT. Where the phrase "MOTHER FUCKER" is an inside joke, that Mom would get pissed. I know someone who worked on it and he said it turned out better than he expected, but RE-EDIT, it's an "R" movie. Bring back FATHER and SON movies!!!
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Good work, Vern. Please keep us updated with what's happening with it.
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I think that Hot fuzz may actually be more of a Die hard movie than Friggin Die hard.
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I meant this new die hard... Die moderatly firm 4.0
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I think that Hot fuzz may actually be more of a Die hard movie than the new Friggin Die hard movie.
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How dare they pussify John McClane. These fucking douchebags need to go snort their mountains of coke and OD already. And by the way, I was 8 or 9 (10 AT MOST) when Terminator 2 came out and my MOTHER took me to see it in the theater. Of course, not without renting the original Terminator first! Whatever, dude...Live Free or Die Lame should be the new title. Seriously, like this movie doesn't already have issues to contend with...there's the daughter in jeopardy angle (they should bring back Bonnie Bedelia, she had the balls to stand up to Hans), there's Justin Long, there's Kevin Smith (who I like, but still, in a Die Hard movie??), there's Len Wisemanm, the use of CGI....already this movie has a lot to prove. Now they want to cut its nuts off?? Fucking ridiculous.
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That this is rated PG-13? LAME. The AVP comparisons are apt: you cut off its balls and everyone will hate it. Oh and if you give it a shitty director. And change the nature of the main character. And give him a smart alecky son. And put a family member in danger (another lame part of Die Harder). Also, I think 16 year olds are more familiar with the franchise than you people are giving them credit for, and they'll realize this is bullshit. They'll still see it, though.
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I am sure you can't say motherfucker in a PG-13. Is there not a rule against saying Fuck in a sexually explicit way in a PG-13?! It's on the mpaa website.
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why not eh?
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John McClane's gonna bust out his pack of Orbit Raspberry Mint gum and say "Yippe-Ki-Yay Mother-lint-licker!" before he shoots Timothy Olyphant in the head...I presume, since they won't be able to show it.
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JOHN MCCLANE PHONE HOME!
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Maybe I missed if someone posted this already or not, but remember what happened when RoboCop 3 came out? It was PG-13, and it ruined the franchise. The first 2 were gritty, violent movies that even had some tit shots, and even some gross out effects, like that guy who gets splattered all over the car. Then part 3 comes out, and what do they do? They literally turned it into a kids movie by having a kid be one of the main characters, and even showing her playing with her RoboCop toys and action figures. Then turning ED-209 into a joke, as well as making the rest of the movie a live action cartoon, literally in some parts too. Now, take a look at what happened to the Mad Max franchise when it recieved a PG-13 rating. The first 2 were gritty violent barbaric movies, and part 3 had the most grutty type of setting, and the look looked the most post-apocalyptic, but they toned down the violence and made the chase scene exctiting, but almost body count free. I think what they should do with the 4th Die Hard (and it saddens me that it is going to be PG-13 if it is, because I think it is the best American made action franchise around) is cross it over with the porn industry and call it Die with a Hard-On.
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yep, boycott.
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I did this when jay and silent bob strikes out... i mean strikes back came out.
Thats the day i deny i ever seen and of that stuff, just to hard to carry of and if i was not respectable on where my time and my money goes i may have carried on. By i just to smart to waste my resources.
Sure ive watched bad movies but i'll never waste my time watching a whole series of bad movies.
i can't see die hard being a bad movie to the point of another complet denial.
I feel sorry for movies these days everything is dumbed down for the widest audience. The only thing thats an 18-rated R is Saw or roths tourture porn movies. i aint counting grindhoues as its two movies here in the uk according to your lot so it aint getting any of my money !
Cash cows man milk them or shoot them in the head put them down.
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...Us Grown-Ups have got Transformers!!!
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surrounded by friends and family.Come on, Fox!! WTF??!!
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May 03, 2007 4:13:23 AM CDT
I'm with U, Bro. Boycott all sissfied versions of our
by d.a.c. defenders of action cinema
action flix. Starting with Spider-Man.
If something doesn't happen fast, our generation of filmmakers will be remembered as The Coward Age.
Between shaky cam and filtered action, our beloved flix are becoming a thing of the past. What are they softening us up for? All animal animated musicals?
So that's why MJ is singing in Spidey????
Oh god.
Boycott.
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It's not the best thing I've ever SEEN on AICN, but it be the best piece of writing I've ever read here! Couldn't have put it better myself... except from what do guys expect from Fox? They seem happy to try and fuck up every single franchise/comic book movie they own the rights too! Fuckers. Not sure if I've EVER boycotted a film in my life before over ratings, but I'd seriously consider not paying for a ticket for this if it were a PG-13 (or a 12a - as it would probably be here in England) and instead just download it, thus not giving a penny over to the studio! Hopefully,seeing as they like to fuck about with UK releases (a-la Grindhouse) they may decide to release a harder cut in the UK? One can only dream!!
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is destroying Fox with its friendly Bodysnatcher family values. We need to tear down the machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anyone who ever sat cringing through a terrestrial TV screening of 'Die Hard' knows just what to expect from the new flick. Less violence, less language and less blood.
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... this glorious franchise has ended.
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Or Yipee Ki Yay, Mother [cue explosion drowning out swear word]. Why are people surprised? It's a generic action movie sequel. The days of action movies made for adults is long, long gone.
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I can't stand it everytime he opens his stupid fucking mouth.
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I'll gladly oblige... It's gonna cost you though... Lets call it 10 bucks and we're straight.
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your post was genius.
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...with these motherfuckin' Fox executives on this motherfuckin' Die-Hard movie!
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he read about in in Forbes and was pretty pissed off.
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he read about it in Forbes and was pretty pissed off.
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I'm sure he'd throw in lines like "This movie is an Abercrombie chick with 9 tits and miniguns for nipples who kicks you in the beanbag and makes you puke up anvils made of frozen whiskey that turn into Charles Bronsons moustache that kills your year 9 science teacher with a cold chisel, calls you a fag and eats out your girlfriend"..... This one he wouldn't even bother reviewing, if he did he'd call it something like "Killing me softly: The Bed Bath and Beyond experience starring Hudson Hawk as a tea cosy and scented candle gift set" and that's where it would end.... can't you see you're putting neill out of a job?!?!?!? CAN'T YOU SPARE A THOUGHT FOR NEILL?!?!?!?
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Yeah, cool dads DO take their sons to see R-rated movies. For me, my first R-rated foray was Aliens, and THAT set the bar high. And while it's OK for a dad to take his 13-year old son to an R movie, it's still fucked up when Harry takes his nephew to see Hostel, or whatever the hell that movie was!
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So my question about all this is will we get to hear McClane's famous line or will it be like the televised version of Die Hard 2 when Willis said "Yipee Kiyay Mr. Falcon"
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I once watched an edited-for-TV Die Hard and that was the line that came out of both Alan Rickman and Bruce Willis' mouths. Please don't edit htis one for TV before it even gets in the cinema.
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where no one can see you, especially the kids. Contribute your $8-10 to FTB instead, where the world is changed...one life at a time.
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damn i was really looking forward to this, i loved diehard and quite rightly its one of the best action movies and now the studio is pulling this crap and pg13ing it... with the wankstiens splitting grindhouse and those fox cunts making a fucking kiddy diehard movie.. i'm just gonna download em off the net and fuck em when the dvdrips come out... bastards! fucking with diehard!
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R-rated films never do well in theaters. Right 300? Right Matrix? Right Silence of the Lambs? Right Passion of the Christ? Right Beverly Hills Cop? Right Exorcist? Right Saving Private Ryan? Right Wedding Crashers? Right Terminator 2: Judgment Day? Right Gladiator? Right There's Something About Mary? Right Air Force One? Right Rain Man? Right Hannibal? Right The Firm? And the list goes on...
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but seriously studios are pussin'-out on us and someone needed to say that...way to go VERN!
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You have never been more right.What worries me most about this decision is the possible reason for it, ie: the studio has seen the R version and it's a piece of shit that simply won't make any money in that form. Hence, cut it to PG-13 to increase ticket sales. I hope not, though. If the film's crap, cutting it so it's more 'family friendly' is hardly going to make it any better.I was cautiously optimistic about this one, but now I'm having flashbacks to that incoherent pile of garbage called Underworld Evolution. John McClane deserves better than that.
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This was always bound to be a stinker. I mean, cyber terrorism is hardly a great idea, well handled it could be a great idea. Len wiseman does not have a great track record. This pg 13 row is a smokes screen for a crap movie they have on thier hands.
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talent, went to TV and are going to stay there.
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...it would be very nice if you would die. You don't have to. And if you die, you don't have to die on screen. Just walk around the corner and never come back. There are kids watching, y'know? But you still can live free! And don't forget to say 'please' and 'thank you' kids!"
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Really liked the first one...thought the way they left it, the sequel would be kickass. What a very wrong assumption on my part. On the plus side, Kate was still so very, very, very, very hot. We could have vampire sex anytime...
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I can live with them. I mean, we see in the trailer that they don't try to kill McClane with hacking into his PDA, they wanna kill him with bombs and explosions and even if the trailer looks like "xXx 3", it makes the cyber terrorism cooler than expected :)
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"And the real kicker will be when you realize that the stress caused by knowing the damage you had done to cinema and culture had made you ill, causing your last years to be miserable. If only you had known now what you will know then. That you could've had it both ways. You could've lived free AND died hard."
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That the threat is coming from outside the country. The greatest threat always comes from within. The real threat that america faces is from Christian right. Look at the havoc they are reeking in hollywood.
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Thanks for the video post, that was fucking hilarious at the end!
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your skin will fall off.
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seen jesus camp. though I have heard about it.
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this summer.
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Enjoying the numerous apologies that Pat Robertson has to say because he stuck his foot in his mouth...again.
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In Die Hard, McClane's the one who should be doing the fucking, not getting fucked.
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I've decided I will take my Canon DC20 handheld and shoot my own violent sequences and profanity-laced dialogue. I'll even drive some cars off bridges 'n shit, maybe wreck a bus or drive an SUV off a dock on top of a bunch of rich pricks' yachts. It's what McClane would want, it's what McClane would do, and he'd say "Fuck" 20 times while muttering to himself throughout the sequence. THAT's his character; anything less will not do. Motherfucker
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but my favourite scene in Die hard is when willis takes off his socks and walks on the shards of broken glass and when he gets to the other side pulls out pieces of broken glass out of his foot. Die is my favourite action film all time. I love every single part of it. In fact I would have preferred no more die hards after that. It was on cable in the states, when I was on of my numerous trips over to the States. I have an aunt and uncle who live in Palisades.
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The first one might be cheesy nonsense, but I thought it was enjoyable cheesy nonsense. Evolution, however, was fucking dire. I'm still not sure what it was actually about. That said, I would watch Die Hard 5 starring Pauly Shore as John McClane if it had Kate Beckinsale in that PVC outfit. There is a woman who is not remotely ugly. She even prevented Click from giving me eye cancer (she may not have been wearing PVC in that one, but those little pyjama shorts were pretty damn diverting).
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You can make it! Agree with you 100% on Click. She wore too many layers of clothing (like always), but holy mother of God, she was HOT!emeraldboy, you can pick any scene and it's classic. The best is when he's limping along leaving a blood trail. Nothing stops McClane, nothing!
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For me, it's when McClane comes limping down the corridor, toward the end of the film, looking like he's been to hell and back as Grueber is gathering up his bearer bonds. The look of utter astonishment on Bonnie Bedelia's face sells it a treat. That's John McClane right there: you can beat the shit out of him, shoot him, make him jump off a building, shred his feet with glass - but you won't beat him, because he's too bull-headed to give up. How great is that?
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Rant on, Vern. You've got our attention.
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And I can see how you'd say that this movie may not be the right place for him, but I think his role is basically an over-emphasized cameo. He's a funny guy, and a good director; don't diss him because you are ranting about your issues with what still looks to be a good flick.
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I mean, how much better would "Raiders of the Lost Ark" be if Indy gouged the German Mechanic's eyes out, laughed and said "See-heil, motherfucker!"? It would have been amazing! Just like that R-rated (or was it unrated?) version of "Anderson vs. Predator" - it's a whole new film!
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May 03, 2007 8:51:51 AM CDT
(Main point being, in this case: it's a Wiseman film)
by jackpumpkinhead
Even if it's rated XXX, it'll still be a Len Wiseman film. What quality do you expect from him, whether it has "fucks" and gore or not?
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The first one of course.... Red Dawn. Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Grey killing commies then going to the Catskills to make out and dance, oh wait, wrong ending. Different movie.
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I read that PG-13 crap and it pissed me off. It's all about the jack with these studio ass clowns. It's all about about the jack.
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Has that one been done yet?
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You yanks gotta get your cinema culture sorted out!!!
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Biggest hit of the year...hard R. Coincidence? Must be. Somehow, people got tricked into watching awesomeness when what they really wanted was watered-down pussy bullshit.
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They should've hired Michael Bay instead Wiseman...
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yeah...do they realize they're contributing to the dumbing down of America?
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That's my favourite funstered line from the TV version of Die Hard. Redundancy comedy!
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It's a false economy. Movies aren't about product. They're about 'stories'. And the good ones last longest. How long do you think it's gonna last? A decade? Five years? Three? Don't think so...
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May 03, 2007 10:31:25 AM CDT
Hey, that line is an insult to Melon Farmers everywhere
by the atomic worm
Studios will never use that line, for fear of being slapped with a lawsuit from the League of Incorporated Melon Farmers of America (LIMFA).
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Just because someone had to say it.
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Sheesh.
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Fucking Fox and fucking Tom Rothman, I hate that cunt, every decision he makes is AWFUL. First Brett Ratner, then Cloud Galactus, now this! Die Hard is a true CLASSIC of the genre and the new film should try and maintain the standards of its predecessors. An R rating is fucking MANDATORY!! I do think that Bruce should've gone for the sew-in on this flick though - McClane should NOT be bald. And Kevin Smith should NOT be in it.
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I SWEAR ON MY DIEHARD BOX SET THAT I WILL NOT SET FOOT IN THE THEATER TO SEE THIS IF IT IS NOT RATED R. I WILL REFUSE TO SEE ANY OF IT AT ANYTIME IF THATS THE CASE AND I BEG YOU TO JOIN ME IN SHUTTING THIS BITCH DOWN.
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Temple of Doom was PG, but because of the content it led to PG 13 being created. Red Dawn was the first "released" PG 13 movie. The Flamingo kid was the first movie rated PG 13, but was actually released in theaters after Dirty Dawn. So says IMDB anyway.
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I'm still sour after Alien Vs Predator
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but I dont want a 4th one. no matter who makes it.
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...but they WILL pay attention to Test Screening reports. As we all know, test screening reports have the near-almighty power to render a film DOA. With that in mind, I'm throwing down the gauntlet to all you film geeks who love hustling your way into test screenings. THE POWER IS IN YOUR HANDS. When Fox screens this sanitized POS in Podunkville, Arizona in the next few montsh, give it the most negative review possible. I don't give a damn how good the story is. I don't give a damn how pretty shit gets blown up. I don't care how much Bruce returns to his old form. Flame it like it ain't no tomorrow. When they ask you why you flamed it, 4 syllables will do the trick: Pee Gee Thir Teen. Period. Drive Rothman and his team of geniuses into a state of panic and hysteria. When the media gets word on the hyper-negative early buzz and starts touting reports that Fox has a bomb waiting to happen, Rothman will send Wiseman back to the editing booth to restore all the exploding squibs and motherfuckers into the footage and all will be right in the world again.
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I seem to remember that PG-13 was created for kids movies that went just a little too far, like Gremlins. Ugh, how many "fucks" are allowable in a PG-13? Any? How in the fuck are you going to have a fucking Die Hard movie unless fucking Bruce Willis can fucking say "fuck" as much as he fucking wants?
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someone has to stand up against MURDOCH. Period. I mean this is guy wants to get his hands on the dow. That will make him the most powerful man in america. Murdoch doesnt give a shit and why should he he has more money than any of you. He is unique in that he is the very last of the school media barons left, he has almost unprecendented access to world leaders and in fiction, he resembles Eliot Carver. Which he why Murdoch dumped Bond.
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That way, they can finally let the audiences vote which they want to see and finally put an end to the debate on which version would make the most money.
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What can I say? He's just so damn virile.
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Kevin Smith. Mac Boy. A daughter in the story. No Powell or Barnes or Zeus? A cap on the number of shooting deaths and "mutherf*ckers?" All is not well here.
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Think about it... The fourth installment of a series whose last appearance was over 10 years ago... A script that was criticized to begin with... How better to hype the film than to create a fake "controversy" about watering it down to a PG-13. The fanboys rise up in outrage! The film is eventually released with an R, and those fanboys breathe a sigh of relief and plop down their $10 to see a film they might have passed on otherwise. The whole thing may just be a PR scam.Cynically yours, mbeemerP.S. Sorry if someone already suggested this - I couldn't wade through the whole talkback.
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Supposedly because they didn't greenlight Moriarty's DREAD screenplay and blacklisted Harry for the screenings of their movies. Any truth to that?
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if this movie does get a PG-13, it won't be the fault of the christian right. It's economics, idiots- they want the teens to be able to see it. I am a Christian and I desperately want this movie to be rated R. i will even sign something for Fox if they want us to.
And to whoever said the greatest threat our country faces is from within- you are correct. And many Christians agree with you that the divisiveness in our country is wrong.
There are loonies representing every religion- athiest, agnostic, (yes these are religions) christian, catholic, muslim, so stop flaming the core beliefs because of the vocal weirdos. Examine for yourselves. You do yourselves no favors by generalizing, labeling and dismissing ANY group.
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May 03, 2007 11:54:26 AM CDT
first half and second half will be released separetely
by spandau belly
in Europe courtesy of the Weinstein company! Die Hard 4: vol 1 and look for vol 2 later this fall complete with fake trailers for Lethal Weapon 5, Beverly Hills Cop 4, Under Siege 3 and Speed 3!
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Are you serious? Let me cite the American Heritage Dictionary for their definition of "religion".
"Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe."
Atheism is non-belief. Just because you choose to believe in a sky daddy completely devoid of any evidence whatsover, doesnt mean you can start throwing those who use reason and science into your cults.
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mbeemer, that seems like an awful lot for a studio to go through just to win over some geeks who woulda thrown their money at the picture had it been R all along
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The american family could fall apart. Great stuff. I will not see this movie if it is given a pg-13 rating.
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There is only profit. Nothing else. Fox "wants" to mess up these franchises? Nonsense...they wand to MILK them. Speak with your wallet. No movie..no DVD. I don't think Bruce needs the money and that Mac kid is an asshat anyway. PG-13 Die Hard? I fart at thee.
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An adult can bring a kid into an R rated movie, but no one under 17 can get into an NC17 movie.
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Atheism is the ABSENCE of religion. Why is this up for debate in an educated society?
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Fuck this shit, DIE HARD as a pg movie?! wtf? I wanna see Mclane say 'mutherfucker,' i want villains to get splattered, its bad enough the trailer looks like a generic 80s action flick with a couple of CGi money shots - the violence would have catapulted it beyond routine - apparently Fox wants another ALIEN VS PREDATOR --- havent they heard THE MATRIX and 300 and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN etc were all R and made over 200 million - now i realize a DIE HARD wouldnt have reached 100 million, but making it PG13 cuts its audience even further (and alienates the fans) - if this movie is pg13 it will make 65million tops.
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Vern, I have not seen such a vengeful, acid tongued rant since they took away our coffee at work (and they deserved everything I said -boycott "Dick" Network). So I salute you Sir! Why not just completely pussy out and Have Die Hard 5 have Bruce Willis fight the Care Bears?
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What it's rated would always be less important in comparison, surely.
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God, I love her so much, I'll sit through a sanitized PG-13, wussifed DIE HARD. But I probably won't like it.
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So FOX is feeling jittery about the quality of this fourth movie, and is betting on a PG-13 cut to lure the kids into the multiplex...
"It's OK Mom, I'm going to see SHREK 3!"
It wouldn't be the first time Hollywood tries to pull that trick. But will it work?
Today's kids are media-savvy: they can tell that the movie has been edited down, and they too will spread the word -- on cellphones, weblogs and in schools.
Sorry, Murdoch. That old trick has been used up. Think of something better.
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...to do press - maybe then they will listen to Willis
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I would like to point out that the glory gory days of the action movies were in the 80's - the Reagan era.
About the same time that Al Gore's wife formed the PMRC to censor music.
Food for thought.
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...the Care Bears; instead, in moments of crisis, they would cuddle. And Americans families would be safe. And fucking boring.
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I would say so. We still dont know harry got his mits on the The phantom Menace and There is bad blood over rollerball. But that is a rubbish movie. I saw a documetary where a certain blonde haired movie producer, beau st. claire, demolished Harry and others film net critics as living in a vacuum and having no real experience of running a movie studio. This was around the time of Rollerball, which bombed anyway. Harry took a lot of credit for that. Fox started clamping down on the net over illeagal buffy sites.
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many fine films, including action ones, have managed to be good without the "R" rating. i would rather it be a PG-13 with a decent plot than a dull R-rated affair with gratuitous violence added just to attract the "it has to be an R" crowd.
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"that seems like an awful lot for a studio to go through just to win over some geeks who woulda thrown their money at the picture had it been R all along"
(shrug) Could be. Smells a little though, with the lead actor badmouthing the editing just before the publicity tour. They have contracts that probably discourage that type of thing. That's why I lean toward "publicity stunt". As to fanboys throwing down their money, maybe they're afraid they'll bauk at bad word of mouth and want to hype it a bit before opening day. -
Because THAT made all the difference, didn't it?
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See above.
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And I quote El Scorcho "I've never seen a Die Hard film and it doesn't look like I'm going to start anytime soon. Boycott it, motherfuckers."
Man Fuck you, I was honestly enjoying everyone's rant about the death of an classic movie franchise when you haven't even seen one of the best fucking action flicks ever made. I must agree with Vern's rant, it was pure genius! As I read through all the posts of people that grew up watching the DH movies, I ran into some pussy 14 year olds comment saying fuck this movie and he hasn't even seen the first! This little fuck-stain is why they changed our film from R to PG-13.
Fuck Fox and everyone involved in this movie they are all a bunch of pussy whipped, money grubbing, cum guzzling queens! (Bruce Willis excluded because he is the man, even bald)
God Damn it Kevin Smith, I know your movies went to hell after Dogma, but WTF I just lost the rest of the respect I had for you!
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Atheism is THE BELIEF that there is no God/god/gods/etc. ----- To quote www.dictionary.com: the doctrine or belief that there is no God. ----- And what is a doctrine? Dictionary.com also has the answer: 1. a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine. -----
2. something that is taught; teachings collectively: religious doctrine. ------ 3. a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject: the doctrine of the Catholic Church.
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It'll be a cold day in hell when i let some drunken irishman tell me what's wrong with my country and its policies. Why don't you slurp down some more cheap whiskey, then go beat the shit out of your wife or girlfriend then anally abuse her while daydreaming about blowing Bono. That should get you elected Prime Minister of that god forsaken little pigsty you call a country.
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If they censor "Yippie Kye Yea, Mother Fucker" in any way, shape, or form, I will cry. Right there in the theater, I will cry like a kid in recess, robbed of my lunch money by a bully we're all coming to know as 'Big Brother'.
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Great post, Vern! Here's a music video summarizing the Die Hard films.
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I told ya so. I smelled it from the beginning. CGI car flips, Non-gritty look, teen kids, smoooove Mcclaine, bloodless action, FOX studios in pussy PG-13 mode for the last decade...But there is no joy for Neo Zeed. I wish I was wrong.
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The brother can't help it - BE NICE - unless you want to see him sporting a Cy Sperling Special. Or a bob.
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listen up FOX!
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Religion requires "belief in a deity" as quoted from American Heritage. Like the other dude said, atheist is an "abscence of religion"/god/deity. Atheism should no more be a "belief" than bald should be considered a hair color. It's not for the atheist to have to prove something that is unseen, unheard, and non existant.
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= Cloud-actacus = Shia Lebeouff as Indy's Son = an unnecessary Shrek sequel . Did I forget anything?
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I dont drink. I am not married. I hate the borring bastard bono. and for your information, bub, Ireland is one of wealthiest countries in the EU if not the wealthiest. Our Economy last year had a surplus of 4.6 billion. I am not interested in becoming a politician
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you put faith in your BELIEFS the same way that others put their faith in the existance of God. Just because you happen to find a definition of religion that attributes it to the belief in a higher power does not mean your FAITH in your views of the afterlife, origin and a creator aren't the same PROCESS that leads others to believe in God. My point was- we all put faith in what we believe and many athiests adhere to athiestic scientists like a christian would to a pastor. you trust THEIR observations without testing for yourself.
If nature is the whole show and there's nothing greater than what's seen than how do you explain the fact that you rationalize, feel, love, hurt, fear- all unseen.
Do you know all there is to know, athiests? Is it possible God is in the aspects of your unknown?
Limp Free better be rated R
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Religion: something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience ----- the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices - Atheists adhering to the set of beliefs and practices of atheism which is nothing
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I persoanally (hope, believe, pray,etc) everyone who was involved with this idea of "kidifying" the Die Hard franchise dies in a fiery plane crash but not on impact. They should suffer after being disembowled or loosing a limb of some kind also after they hear the news that the latest addition to their beloved John Mcclane series has tanked DUE TO THE IMPUDANT PG-13 BULLSHIT ON A NUNS ASS, POS THEY CALL LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD. Ok seriously, Bruce Willis was pissed????WTF??? THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I love these actors who get 20 mil for these big action sequels who sit back and say they have no control over their pics and talk about how dissapointed they are over shit like this. News Flash: YOUR SALARY IS 1/5 THE BUDGET OF THE ENTIRE MOVIE, I THINK YOUR VOICE MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY IMPORTANT, DIPSHIT. If anyone knows of any boycott website or group for this tragedy, please inform me ASAP. Im still down about Alien/ Predator.
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No way in hell would Die Hard (88)be a PG-13 now. No way in hell. F-bombs are uttered very three seconds. Also, blood splatters from gunshot wounds.....without cut away camerawork.
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...didn't Bruce shout (while beating up the main dude)something like "...I'm gonna beat ya, I'm gonna kill ya, I'm gonna fuck ya, I'm gonna cook ya, and then I'm gonna fuckin' eat you!!!"
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--is laughing away in his grave, that rat bastard!
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Really?
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Silver Surfer will fart out Galactus, making him an evil flatulance cloud so everyone involved can get high and then the movie might be watchable.......Die Hard 4 will still suck though...no matter what
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I sat through my girlfriend's employee screening at 9pm tonight. The flick is brutal. Blink and you'll miss Venom.
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Regardles of having hack Wiseman, longing for McTiernan, kid sidekicks, whatnot... you can`t expect an R, or even a decent Die Hard movie to happen without the man who produced these kick ass action genre evergreens: Die Hard, Harder, Predator, Last Boy Scout, Lethal Weapon, Ricochet, 48Hours, Road House, Demolition man, Matrix, and so on. The fact that he`s not been allowed on the Fox lot for a long time is basicaly telling us in advance that Die Hard franchise has long since been destroyed. Bruckheimer is be a mainstream action hit producer, but there is only one king of R action cinema and his name is Joel Silver. And whoever thinks you can make a great movie without a great producer is a complete idiot.
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I would have thought he would have had more power in the process. I mean all he would have to do to make it 'R' is say "Make it 'R' or I walk." and they would have folded.
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but he would made this sucker a HARD R
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and I quote, "I just saw it last week and I love it. Better than the first one."http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDaKAQLexVE&NR=1
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May 04, 2007 5:30:32 AM CDT
Boycott Fox! Boycott Fox! Boycott Fox! Boycott Fox! Boy
by dr. frankenstein
Can you imagine th original Die Hard without Itagagi getting his brains blown all over the wall or that terrorist who's running across the floor and gets kneecapped all to hell before falling head first though a glass wall? these are some of the scenes that made the film great. Not only should fox release this as an R but they should release the unrated versions of the first three movies before the MPAA got their grubby mitts all over them.
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as an act of Dis-loyalty. Murdoch has a very strict family code at newscorp/fox. Hence the nickname Uncle Rupert. Boycotting fox means that you will have to give up watching 24hrs. people get blown up there too and tortured on weekly basis.
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if Bruce likes Die Hard 4. this story is dead. This is the same bruce willis who was pissed off when bush wouldnt let him fight in Iraq and this is the same Bruce Willis who starred in that much lauded and multi-award winning epic Tears of the sun. Btw i was being sarcy there. Tears ruined willis career along with the Kid(which is one of the worst films I have ever seen) and Antoina Fauqua's Career has been the same since.
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he was/is banned FROM the lot by The Unclefucka`. I wrote described the status corectly. You no well speak language yours do?
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his Australian Fux news HQ. and brought it to the US.
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your posts drive me nuts as they consist of nothing but incoherent gibberish. just to help you out: there is no hyphen in disloyalty, the programme is called 24 not 24hrs, punctuation is your friend- don't be scared, sentence structure can be an important thing as it helps you to get your meaning across.
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they always make you right!
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Murdoch is one of the most dangerous men alive. He will not stop untill he has everything. political power, media power and Entertainment power too. SO far he has two of those things. Media and Political Power. The day when he has full control of Hollywood is not to far away. Once he buys the dow he wil be able to buy up every stock in every film studio. Thus he will have full control of Hollywood. In that way he will be able to bring the christian right with him. I repeat this man is dangerous. and if you want proof, he has just bought a 17% stake in ITV. he helped blair destroy the BBC by leaking the hutton findings. The man has no scruples.
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and it is an exclamation mark.
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oh well..back to sniffing glue.
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You started coherently and then disintegrated. It is not fact, but mere opinion- and not even particularly valid opinion. as it is a combination of heresay and speculation. Especially regarding the BBC and the hutton enquiry. Also, arguably film production is part of the media- unless you are trying to ditinguish between Entertainment and News.He does have no scruples. That is well documented fact.
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Oh yes LP, I just used two exclamation marks...
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or insane. I'm not sure which. I remember reading that the more exclamation marks you use the nearer to the padded cell you are. How's FTB coming along. Have you managed to save up enough for the monsters elevenses yet? I have another potential solution for you: because of shit like the CAP there is a massive level of overproduction in the EU- so perhaps we can utilise the human garbage can to deal with the wastage in The Butter Mountain? You know she loves her dairy!!!!
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We are up to $312.48. Granted, that's only a days worth of food for the human (using the term loosely) garbage disposal, but it is progress. She loves everything, especially big sticks of butter, wrapping and all.And there's nothing wrong with padded cells, they just feel so gosh darn cozy. I put in a request to have Kate Beckinsale share the cell with me.
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taken on board regarding the rating of the movie. Actors have no say when comes to the rating of movies. Unless the actor is also the director and writer of said movie. the only two people left who have that clout are woody and Warren beatty. woody stars, writes, directs and produce nearly all of his films as has beatty. Woodys output is getting smaller. He has no clout left in Hollywood and Beatty is a egomaniac. Can an actor on his own change things. i dont think so and it has been awhile since Willis had a hit so.
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Sweet. That means the collectible half-assed plastic figure of John fighting his way through a slew of bad guys with a sock puppet will be worth millions on eBay in a few months!
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That was perfect. It doesnt take "faith" to not believe in something that isnt there. Is it a "religion" to NOT believe in unicorns? Is it a religion to NOT believe in Zeus, Allah, or any of the thousands of other invisible, make believe sky daddies that have existed through time? Just because YOU happen to believe in a poorly written book, written over 2000 years ago by an ancient population looking to explain shit, doesnt mean those of us that dont are in some sort of religion. The burden of proof is on those that want to invent make believe creators for their own personal comfort.
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to end on a bloody atheism vs religion topic. Its a movie that MADE action movie walking tall.
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in the past... who can`t rememberber(once seen) the awesomness of B/W Charge of the light brigade (LOTR cavalry attacks suck ass in comparison) or Hunter and many others. Its the very antithesis of shit action cinema that is examplyfied in Spiderman. Yes, Spiderman 1&2 action is shit. As is other comic book movie action. Maybe X3 has some decent action. TRUE action does not happen in vicinity of bluescreen.
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makes any difference on Vern`s legitimate rant.
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in possesion of knowledge what makes or is a great cinema.
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smart as characters they portray.
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or are allowed to have independent thought comming out of their mouth when promoting an upcomming movie release.
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forget the amasing revelation layed out during the anouncement of Cesar`s funeral in HBO`s Rome:"... also actors and prostitutes are not allowed to attend."
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but he clearly went for a paycheck here
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member of the Fox "family" as far this franchise goes, wich is not something to be proud of.
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a looney as some of his peers. Its just the smell of that paycheck betrayal that gets me.
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seems not blue collar at all.
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for Bruce`s performance.
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he clearly allowed his superstar status to influence his ego, thus influencing McLaine, making him bigger than life and loosing us in the process.
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on the Die Hard TB`s before when he(or even she!!9nothat there is anything wrong with it)) comented: Bruce is trying to play Bruce playing McLaine.
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problem.
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just extra insults
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the icing on the cake. You could still make a kickass movie around if you trully possesed the right filmmaking chops.
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arguing those points as it writen in the stone that Die Har must be arrrrr.
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Spiderman and Disney`s Pirates(i mean bloody Disney!!!! Hello!!??) will have more kickass action that actual mother of all action franchises.
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the rock here, maybe I am just annoyed of Spiderman having two hundred talkbacks on same shitty issue, while true cinema is dying right before our eyes as we speak.
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where else can movies die other than right in front our eyes. Man, all this is soo depressing and infuriating it makes my mind go bonkers.
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this dark tunnel we`ve been in for almost a decade now?
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once we turn 70?
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before quality cinema resurection, making Waterworld eligible for Best documentary category?
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but they managed to make the kid and the whole family unit function very well in the story and not lame at all. Also the atol attack and several action scenes still look absolutely spectacular and you just know how they would do that whole movie today. All CGI and watertanks in Vancouver and Australia. Jetskis would be doing double somersaults and Mariner would go all wire fu on smokers. The shells would probably speak and the island dwelling at the end would have ruins of Starbucks. We would be lucky to catch a glimpse of real ocean water. Yack!
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You deserve it.
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and look what happened.
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anyway you see we droped AGAIN from top ten Spideran talkbacks
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again, and I got all excited again.
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landing promises so much immediatelly.
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on that suspiciously nonspectacular shot of bag picups and Bruce far in the back with giant teddy.
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foreshadowing or what. How comfortable is that movie in its easy build up.
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buldap is handled in 4.0
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its the baggage around that I found disturbing. And why is it the funniest thing in the trailer when Kevin Smith shows up? I mean, nevermind weather Kevin belong in this franchise, but he makes the most funny in this trailer. And Bruce is way too post 911ish. And self awarish. Probably there`s an amish too somewhere in this film... hmm.
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is that an omen of what has become of this series?
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of what will happen after the premiere of this PG 13 assterpiece?
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the wind howling trough the empty hallways?
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hurt or betrayed, to even voice an opinion?
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have a comic to go back too no matter what kind of film they make.
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only as a movie.
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and that best of action scenes came from it, but it still is nothing in a book world, where as Die Hard is everything in action cinema genre.
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was weak when first seen it all those years back, now it looks positively fun and exciting, and probably has the best Bruce acting as McLaine. Especially during the setup. He really caries that film.
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where he uses fire extingusher, it seems so off to me, it shouldnt cause its very McLaine-ish, but feels so... fake, or forced or something.
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furious. Bad maily sad. And feeling hopeless about this topic. Vern, where are you buddy? Why no love for this TB.
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that you had to say and said it well, but man, don`t you feel sadened that people care more about Spiderman than they do about Die Hard?
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Team America looks like the best R action picture in a long time. Its buckenheimerish in its setup, but its Dieharderish in its R-balls to the wall, details.
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fifty. Maybe it will attract some Die Hard fan, mad with passion, mind lost to action cinema long ago, delirious as to what is being done to his favorite action movie and just rant, and go on and on...
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and keep it going strong as a true defender of action cinema should.
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has so much more balls as a title than...
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why is Euros getting fucked over like that. Like with that Grindhouse split. What copout!
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came out it acquired title: 8th passanger. Agreed it made sense and had some ominous forshadowin with that poster. Only it turned out
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ever sequel name, probably the best sequel ever too, screwed up euro realease totally. What you going to do with this you idiots. And surely, it was lost in translation and while not becoming quite: 8th passangers, it di become 8th passanger 2. Which is like the most stupid sequel name ever.
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to assume this Die Hard TB will have some staying power?
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there is some Die Hard fan actualy left in these bloody geekdom. Geekdom indeed, wrong people to go to for help concerning Die Hard.
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in a Die Hard TB? I mean its a Die Hard, right. Its not Die when compared to Spiderman, or something.
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I mean Golden bloody compass!!! Whats wrong with people? Its a nice poster, yes, but who cares about that movie. Good or bad(probably lame) who is gonna give a shit about that film 2,3 years after its release. Probably even sooner
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anything against Golden compass, its just that it has no real importance in cinema and is thus taking up space instead of helping the cause of R genre filmmaking.
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or I won`t be able to continue to defend the action cinema anymore, anytime.
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i meant
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but no CHEATS ON HIS WIFE
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on her. OK, till later my dear, dark, empty corridors.
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really gotta eat now and have one beer if I can`t even spell beer correctly. For shame.
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I was wondering how this got back near the top talkbacks. Now I see. Glad to see I'm not the only one who cares. Actually, judging by the first day of talkbacks here it looks like a whole lot of people are gonna be pissed and disappointed if they release this PG-13, it's not just me. And after seeing Spiderman Part 3 between some awkward teens with braces talking and checking their glowing phones when they weren't making out, four little kids talking in Spanish and a dude digging in a fuckin plastic bag for half the movie (DID YOU FUCKING FIND IT YET?) I am definitely seeing the point other people made about not wanting it to be PG-13 just so they don't have to see it with as many obnoxious people. (hopefully.)
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Drive (and so many other good shows in that past), canceled FOUR HOURS IN. Temptation Island. Paradise Hotel. (Still annoyed with that shit.) X-Men: The Last Stand. And now PG fucking 13 Die Hard?!? Sorry, Jack Bauer, you just ain't enough anymore. Happy trails.
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I am pleased to see Vern, and everyone who responded to Vern's rant
exhibit such emotion over DH4. But as someone who worked on the picture, and has seen a cut of it, I would suggest that all the yakkin' over the PG-13 issue hang onto their weapons for now.
This episode if Die Hard is as good, if not better than the first Movie. And I was there for that one too. In a Summer filled with CG/fantasy driven films, Live Free or Die Hard is an in-your-face, hard-ass Action movie that will satisfy Vern, and anyone else who is a fan of the Die Hard series.
All PG-13 means is that you cannot say f*ck more than twice. Other than that, the Mythology of Die Hard lives....I could not have been more pleased with how DH4 turned out. It'll be out soon enough, and I wanna hear what Vern has to say after he sees LForDie Hard....
Set your pre-judgement aside for another 7 weeks and then decide.
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Other than that HPD sucked.
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Since they have existed, I always said the first Die Hard was the only good one. I will go on record here as saying that Live Free or Die Hard is better than the first one. Take it from a guy who was there for all of them.
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Who really gives a shit about the theatrical release anymore, so long as the DVD gets released uncut? Although that said, there isn't a version of Die Hard 3 out that is as uncut as the theatrical release... I believe the studios say that theatrical releases are pretty much an expensive form of advertising for DVD sales. Leaving the theatrical release PG13 will give them a wider advertising base but probably make them less money up front.
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you haven"t heard of a rough cut, 9?
do the math, kid
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I was honestly thinking I couldn't ethically pay to see this movie if it's PG-13, but if I just read what I think I read that seems like a pretty fuckin solid recommendation. I better not be hearing no Mr. Falcon in this one, though. Unless Kevin Smith's character is named Mr. Falcon, 'cause I wouldn't mind seeing that dude get yippee ky yayed.
By the way, I've gotten a whole lot of emails in response to this piece, and almost every one related strongly to the part about bonding with their dads when they got to go see a DIE HARD movie even though it's rated R. These were stories that would make you tear up, Walter. So if it's not too late you might at least throw one more 'fuck' in there just for the sake of our nation's young men so they can grow up strong of character, etc.
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and as much as I like you, here is my adding excersize :
much worse action director then Die Hard 1+worse action DOP than DH1+worse concept than DH1+no Joel Silver+lamer bad guy than DH1+much worse supporting cast than DH1kid to tag alongCGI airplane/highway+CGI lets duck between the cars sonny+surfing on a jet wing/jumping off being over 50 with no fire hose and barring no relation to Jackie Chan+PG 13+going back to the well the 4th time=A better film than original DIE HARD?I don`t know Bruce, you do the math. -
and monter2 you too. I hear you. I think that 2 "fuck"s or even 3-4, WOW man, can you imagine FIVE... wow man, that is gonna be sooo intense.
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everybody on that damage control Die Hard TB now?
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John Cussack take over R rated Die Hard... well you wrong.
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talking about anyway? I am comenting on stuff seen in the trailer. You know, the best stuff that`s supposed to get our asses into cinema.
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to have Kevin Smith being funnier than John MafuckingCLaine. A lot.
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and I liked that film untill that stupid last two reels. It was a bit of oldschool Bruce but way too angry/melancholic to be applyable to Die Hard John`s character.
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also of the bruce cameo in Oven`s 12 and this is another thing I don`t need to associate with Die Hard.
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life in me thought I am gonna say this, but here it is...
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quite confident of proper action and destruction for Die Hard 4.0. The standards have been lower so far that he is positively the best for R type mayhem now.
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hired him and the movie its gonna kick Die Hard`s ass. And I hate that. I don`t care about toys or changes they made. Or Shia Spielberg or stupid script. Its going to be giant robots destruction against pussyfied Die Hard. It will be no contest.
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when again will I be given the responsibility to bring a TB to a 500!
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TB at that!
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the TB
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to defend the DIE HARD.
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care more about Spiderman than Die Hard is at the core of quality cinema problems of today.
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venting his frustrations when he said motherfucker on that daytime sports cast.
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and got drunk and spilled some beans over his favorite character being ruined by corporate mentality.
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I think that "do the math" comment was actually meant for Monster2, the one right above his which had "9banned" as the subject line.
I gotta disagree with you on this one thing though, I would rather eat a live baby in front of my grandma than have Michael Bay direct a DIE HARD movie. I would rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than let that car engine in a human skin leave his satanic fingerprints on John McClane. In fact, this new PG-13 thing is the only part of ruining modern action movies that Michael Bay is not personally responsible for. The rest of it is all him. Don't even fucking say those words in the same sentence, you're only gonna give them ideas for part 5. It's like saying Candyman in front of a mirror, that motherfucker will show up and snort John McClane's soul right in front of you and then piss it out on your shoes. -
I went back and I think you`re right. It might be something to do with 100 postings by me that misled Walter so, yes, I think you`re right.You seen my apology and shame before I wrote those blasphemus sentence, Michael Bay in connection with Die Hard? I think you are dead on with comments, but hey, Len Fucking Wiseman? He`s a double non entity. I mean he`s complete shit of a filmmaker so I must, even thou I absolutely hate myself for saying this, say Bay would do better Die Hard than Wiseman, if Joel Silver would be involved. Joel has a mastery of editing room that could keep shots longer than 1.01 seconds. Ok, I know, I added Silver now, so I cheated. Look when I saw Bad Boys in cinema I absolutely hated that shit and knew we`ve entered new era of POS maintream action cinema. But Bad Boys 2 had some intense shit that I can`t see Wiseman pulling off. Again, its the standards that have gotten so low that makes me write those things.I personally would start going to church if it would bring Paul Verhoeven to do Die Hard. Or get McTiernan of that Pelicano shit that brought us into this shit in the first place...I do have one question that I didn`t see adressed by you anywhere. If you can be bothered. What are your thoughts on, Ford Fairlane: The Rock And Roll Detective. I like it on many levels and to me is one of better R rated action comedies. Not as a guilty pleasure, but a true fun as hell, smart action pic. I guess it got Harlin the job to direct the second Die Hard, since I think its still his best movie, beside Long kiss...
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something. Billy Connolly was a great comic and I remember My brother telling me about the night when he broke all the rules of Comedy in Dublin.
Then he Married that witch Dr Pamela Stevenson, who bit by bit stripped him of his greatness. First went the smoking, then went the drinking, then went the cursing.
Then Came the books, where she tied him to her psychiatrist's chair and poured all the angst out of him and published two bestelling novels. Connolly was one the great modern standups of the latter half of the 20th century.
He pioneered/invented observational comedy and alternative comedy as well as comedic Story telling. He was voted the greatest standup of all time but he doesnt preform these days. Why? he is under the thumb of his wretched wife.
He made one joke about ken bigley and we havent heard from him since. Damn you pamela Stevenson. SHe runs a practice in LA. in beverly hills. her horrid show was called Shrink wrapped. Ghastly. but its all relative. Pyschologits have an agenda, the publish these reports which they then send to govts and boy are they acting on them. So studios are now like billy connolly being told to tone down the violence or else. Stevenson said that would divorce connolly and take away his children if he didnt clean up his act. So now studios are being forced to clean up thier acts. -
but excelent post. Sad fact, story. I agree with last paragraph, only its the studios that tell everybody in the world to clean up their act. Talk about "its only entertainment".
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That the only studio that your govt listens to is Fox. So if the govt doesnt like 24. fox will act. Enter Screechy palmer the liberal lawyer.
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alive TB untill i return.
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Tommy Tiernan came to america and went on letterman and what he was stunned to find was that the america of his heroes cosby and the like was so conservative to the point where he to the comedy improve store in washington and was told that all material was vetted by the management, so if there was language in that act that was inoffensive it was taken out by the management. he was shocked that his view of liberal america didnt really tally at all. Its a good documentary jokerman and I recommend it.
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PG 13 is the kiss of death to any DIE HARD movie - you basically are neuturing the film and giving us an airline or tv version - fuck you Tom Rothman. We already saw a pg rated version of DIE HARD - it was called XXX2 and it sucked balls and was one major flop (and shared similar plot elements). Plus we saw all the other pg rated shit as well: MI3 etc - lacklustre shit. DIE HARD needs to be violent, crude, vicious, the stakes need to be high. Fox you already fucked your movie and trailer twice by inserting a kid sidekick and Kevin fucking Smith - not to mention a jet action sequence that seems like a leftover from a james cameron 90s flick. Another thing which is highly important and which fans have not mentioned until now is the music score by the late Michael Kamen - his music was unique, had that Kamen sound and was integral to the DIE HARD flicks - I dont know if Marco Beltrami can effectively imbue the film with that Kamen sound.
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Will be remembered as the guy who not only brought Die Hard into the 21st Century, but brought it back to Life.
There is obviously no way to tell until DH4 comes out, but when it does, compare it to DH3, and you will see what I mean. Len Wiseman believes in the Mythology of Die Hard, and lived up to it. Almost every stunt was Old School, and not CGI, and it gives the movie a reality that cannot be found on any Blue Screen.
Vern WAS right, I was talking to 9,
re: the 'do the math' comment.
How many Fuck's you get in a film is an MPAA parochial notion. The MPAA thinks they are saving us all if we only hear 2 Fucks in a film. Bit that rule is also somewhat malleable, and it got pushed to the edge on DH4. But just have a little Faith, and you will be returned to the True Mythology of Die Hard.
And I will say Yippe Ki Yay anywhere i choose, daytime TV or not...
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Would have ruined DH4.
Few people will work with him now, and I know I will never work with him again. And Spacesheik, DH4 was not ruined by the rating. Except for the "Fuck" allotment, this film rocks. Michael Kamen will be missed, but Marco Beltrami brought it in. -
24 is going to get a massive shake up. the writers are aware of the pummelling this show has been getting and or going to do something about. We dont know what yet. but Season seven is going to look a hell of a lot different.
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24 is going to get a massive shake up. the writers are aware of the pummelling this show has been getting and or going to do something about. We dont know what yet. but Season seven is going to look a hell of a lot different.
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Thanks for passing by, but is there any chance in hell that Fox will reconsider a R-rated DH4? And don't forget to check the Harry Knowles thread about Willis - fanboy rage is brewing about the rating as well.
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My heart tells me that Walter B would not lie to us. He didn't lie to us about Seagram's Golden Wine Cooler, I don't know why he would lie about something as sacred as DIE HARD.
But at the same time, I'm looking at the numbers here and they don't add up. I can't see any way all this could add up to what he's telling us it does. Luckily, I have never been good at math. So please Walter, PLEASE be right. If you're right I will be nice to Republicans for the rest of my life.
One question. Will we be blown through the back of the theater? If not how far will we be blown? It's gotta be a couple rows at least or we're gonna be rollin some cars afterwards. This is DIE HARD! Also are we allowed to say "fuck" as we are blown through the back or does that change the rating? -
This just got really interesting!
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This day, he is officially a talkbacker... honestly, how cool is that? Bruce... err, "Walter," if you keep posting in talkback (at least for a while) and give quality answers to our questions, I guarantee you that every fanboy on this site will buy D4 tickets, probably on opening day.
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If you want to remain unblemished send me the script, I will see if it reads like a new Die Hard movie or if it reads like any other aimed at the kids action adventure... Oh and Walter B should have taken the TB nickname 'JOE LELAND' to really geek the place up...
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It warms my heart to hear that most of the stunts were practical. At the same time I gotta point out, it would be stupid to be a zealot about that shit. The other DIE HARD movies have models and blue screens. Using special effects is not new to the series. I'm sure McClane flying away from the explosion in DIE HARD 2 would look way more real if they did it now with the power of digital. So I'm not gonna bite my fist every time they use computers. (Still, nice to hear they're keeping it to a minimum.)
By the way, in the other more violent talkback I noticed alot of people being mad that he has a daughter in this one. I don't get that one either because McClane always had kids. Not only that, but in the book DIE HARD was based on (Nothing Lasts Forever by Roderick Thorpe) the McClane-type character was trying to save his daughter, not his wife. So it's going back to the roots. -
Walter B is wading right in without fucking water wings - and without hand-holding, as I mentioned in Harry's TB - and that is just cool as fuck.
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Walter B = Walter Bruce Willison? If this is for real then holy shit Bruce, you're legit in my humble meaningless opinion so maybe DH4 will be as well.
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...it's safe to come out? For a while there I was worried (although Vern was right, it's a blood fest over at the "phone call TB". Poor Harry... He was... he was young...). When will people learn to wait for the final production before casting judgment (Casino Royale and Spider-Man 3 as good negative and positive examples)! BTW, Walter B: I don't think him is who you think him is...
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Thanks for all the info, "Walter"!This is very cool of you coming on here and talking to fans like this. I, for one, can't wait to see Live Free or Die Hard--PG-13 or not. The word "fuck" doesn't make the movie, a good script does. And if Bruce...opps..."Walter" says this is right up there with the original, I believe him. DH and DHWA are two of my favorite movies--with "Die Harder" not running too far behind.
Any idea if there'll be a sequel to "The Fifth Element"? Another goody. Thanks for your time, man. Can't wait to see this one.
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Where is it confirmed that this "Walter B" poster is actually Brucie?! I deeply apologise if it actually is but, come on! - It can't be that easy to pull the wool over the most cynical movie website in the world (I base this on no evidence), can it?
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Did you see the TB's for Heath Legder's JOkeR or what??
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[I know it sucks, especially if you are bouncing from talkback to talkback on the same subject, but I hope some will grant me a little lenicency. I would like Vern to see it and with all the vitrolic in Harry's talkback....well, I wouldn't blame him for carrying out the battle on his own turf.]
If the comments made by "Walter B" are made from who I suspect - and possibly who Vern's suspects, although I feel uncomfortable speaking for his possible intention - then Mr. Willis is comfortable with the Die Hard mythology (McClainverse?) of Live Free/Die Hard as canon, Pg-13 or not; no matter how comments of Willis to a reporter have been recorded, over blown and/or taken out of context notwithstanding.
Because reporters don't have an agenda. Yes. No agenda whatsoever.
Now I'm not saying that there is no damage control on the studios part nor a publicity "stunt" to increase box office. But I fail to see how this is different than any other business the studios park take in to get our money. Tom Cruise flew around in bloody helicopters and shit to spin MI:3 when it appeared the press corps were going for his throat. Mr. Willis would like to come on a simple AICN talkback and speak to us personally to ally the dread of fans which has pop upped due to the rating. Which one is more fucked up, I ask you?
Geeks - mostly male, as an observation -are in a frenzy because a Pg-13 rating seems to be less swearing, less titties and less blood. All of which are commendable, no sarcasm intended because I happen to embrace all three. But I am a firm believer in "It is the tale; not he who tells it." If the story holds, nothing else matters. If Live Free/Die Hard goes radically off canon, then the torching of the film is apparpos; in fact, you may use my lighter. But like some others, I will wait and see. It seems a lot of you think that the story can absolutely NOT be told without the freedom of an R rating and are bashing your heads against the cyber walls of the injustice of it all. I believe you are excusing yourselves within the confines of the rating system, just as you accuse the studios of doing. Blood, cursing and titties should MEAN something, otherwise you become a sad, smirking fart joke of gratuity that is prevalent nowadays.
And if "Walter B" is Willis posting on a Vern's TB, he has already surpassed what Sly has done for the AICN and my fellow geeks therein. He called someone a fucking "kid" already! He has possibly initiated himself in the TB's, without hand-holding (No offence, Harry). He's not soft; he's HARD. And I have the feeling he will really mix it up with the Q & A with all of you and I will sit back with Kurt Russell. And laugh. -
I don't think it's fair to call this all a knee jerk reaction. Of course, if the movie comes out and knocks us on our asses and/or through the back of the theater, we're gonna say "phew" and laugh at how wrong we were and all give each other high fives and set off some fireworks and erect a statue of Len Wiseman in the town square and watch Underworld Evolution again and try to figure out how exactly this happened.
But we also are movie fans, who have watched alot of movies. We know the difference between DIE HARD and what is allowed in PG-13, and we have a hard god damn time wrapping our minds around that, especially considering everything else that makes us skeptical about this movie. And when we read that they are THINKING of cutting it to a PG-13, it makes more sense to say "HOLD ON A GOD DAMN MINUTE!" now than to wait until after the deed has been done. If it changes nothing, at least we gave it a shot, and at least whichever marketing genius came up with this brilliant strategy gets to scroll through ten thousand angry talkbacks and hopefully have his heart do a little pitter patter hoping he didn't bet on the wrong horse. It's the least we can do to repay the guy.
Now Walter B has arrived and if he is who he is not exactly saying he is, but we can read between the lines, then obviously we respect him for ten thousand different reasons and hope we will agree with what he is telling us about LIVE FREE OR DIE [LAST WORD OF TITLE TO BE DETERMINED]. But it would be foolish not to be extremely damn skeptical.
I still don't know if I can ethically pay money to see this movie. Because even if he's right and this is the best action movie since HARD BOILED, are you still gonna tell me it would not be even better if the Fox Corporation would use some COMMON GOD DAMN SENSE and give them the freedom of an R-rated movie like the other 3 in the series? Also, could the movie PLEASE have the courtesy of blowing all the obnoxious unchaperoned teens through the back of the theater early on, since their parents never taught them to shut off their stupid phones and close their worthless idiot yaps? (sorry, I saw SPIDERMAN 3 and the scene was not pleasant.)
As for CASINO ROYALE, I only gave a shit about a new James Bond movie after they signed on Daniel Craig, so don't lay that one on me. I saw MUNICH. I knew the score on that one.
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I realise that this is your TB that you started, but my comments weren't entirely directed at you. I was merely reflecting as to the intense backlash that occurred as a direct result. As an eternal film optimist, I refused to concede that this movie was dead in the water after this ratings announcement (and I WAS disconcerted - as in my above post), especially having witnessed the trailers. I'm actually more worried about the claims of how its better then DH1. I don't think that's possible and it worries me when they talk things up to that degree (Matrix sequels...). My Casino vs Spidey inclusion was just an example of how wrong the film community can get things when judging material before seeing a single frame first hand. Having said that, I do think the cutting to a PG-13 rating is a bad idea (to what extent is unclear) and greatly appreciate all your efforts to use your position to right the potential wrong.
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just some smart-ass that knows how to psyche people out? Wouldn't the real Bruce Willis have the balls to name himself "DaRealFUKNBruce" or something to that nature?
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I have used the expression [see above] and you have used the expression [the same] but I think we are using them in a different manner, although our goal is somewhat the same. I think we both want the last (?) film of the DH franchise not to suck. I believe it is something we are hoping for above all else. However, I also believe that a solid story can be told in the genre and not be sold short without an R-rating. Perhaps you should read that script. After all, the more you know....
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i am John Mafuckin'Clane.
What if I came to you all, just as as guy who in the last weeks of post, facing a 5 week, World-Wide press tour, an crazed at the prospect of it, just wanted to take a simpler approach to talking to this enormous group of people, who depsite pre-judgements from many, praise from a smaller minority, and some just waiting to see "what shakes out", merely wished to have an outlet to chat with people I seldom get to chat with, and what if I just listened?
And then thought about what I was going to say, and wrote back honestly.
I had a website up for a while, I shut it down for an indefinite period, but now, getting ready to launch the longest shot of my careeer, I feel a strong personal pull to hear from an audience I do not know, sans Bullshit,(And that means I tell the Truth), sans gossip, just the straight, tight shit.
I would personally hope it might be more about my work, good and bad, just us.
Harry can chime in if he likes, but frankly it's not cumpolsory........HOW WOULD THAT BE?
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story can be told, but you can`t blast Takagi to hell and lift that movie to a whole new level in a second. And if you haven`t seen Die Hard 1 when it came out I am sorry for you, but up untill that moment the movie was just kinda cool/interesting and drawing you in and you were there cause you like action movies. But when Gruber wasted that guy you KNEW there and then, that you are in for something you have never seen before. EVER. And expectations went trough the roof for that movie to deliver on this promise while you`ve been watching it and boy did it deliver the more it went on. No amount of writing genious is going to get around that issue. It simply won`t sell. It will sell to people who think Spiderman or Xmen or whatever shit has good action. Howewer it will completely suck for anyone with any real comprehension of what an action megamovie is.
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I don`t remember any heavy swearing(maybe because I dont speak chinese) in Hard Boiled. I don`t think there is one "fuck" in there. But you wan`t to say look, thats PG13. Look how good writing without swearing can make a fine kidfriedly picture. Istat what you`re sayin!?
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you can`t see the difference between R and PG13 Die hard 1. That it doesnt matter? I`ll repost this:since there is plants here trying to overgrow the issue at hand. So ratings changed with time? Soooo, lets take original Die Hard and edit it into todays PG 13 of 2007.Cut out about 300 "fucks" out leaving alowed 2, hell leave 5 if you think it will work.Cut out Takagi`s death. Can`t show that, no no.Cut whole John vs Karl fight since its full of cusing. No you`re not allowed to make"I`ll jolly cook ya" and such. Also I dont think you can strangle/hang people with chain in kids movie.No knecapping bad guy, and cut him landing headfirst into window.Cut some discussion with Argyle during limo ride.Cut coke and tits, thus making Ellis a good stand up executive we all love.Cut killing from uder the table, exploding balls, cant have that.Cut shots where John twice chechs the topless chick pic in the elevator maintanance area. Real life=gone.Cut FBI Jonsons, since they are not kid friendly at all, plus they are not 100 great and good PC people, so cut.Cut scene after running over glass. Too much blood.Cut the obvious TV media bashing. Rupert can`t have that. I mean cut the TV news scenes too. but first cut Richard Thornburg.Then go cut John`s 911 call since you can`t edit around.While you`re at it, cut the intro airport scene because he smokes, an we can`t have that either.cut more stuff to comply with PG13 untill done.yes, today the original Die Hard would be same and surely be PG 13 if released. We advanced so far from that dark age of 80`s.Is that what you were saying when you said you can`t tell difference between R and PG13. Beacuse if you can`t, than you Sir are either visualy impaire(read retarded) or flat ou liar. If there is a third option please do tell.
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you are a 20/20 guy. That means you get 20 million dollars and big points from the first earned dollar. That makes you anything but "just a guy". Little chatting and BS on the internet in return for, what, 50-70-100? million dollars. Well, wow pal. Shure can start ordering pizzas for whole Talkbacalypto here forewer. I would probably sell out for that number as well. Who knows. AI know you`ll need all this new money since it might be the last if movie turns out as we suspect it will.
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honestly tried to do low key Die Hard, when making 16 Blocks. Man if that beat up&desilusioned cop wasn`t John MaClane, then, this guy in Live Free sure ain`t. I am sorry it flopped but I liked it. It had good grounded action. Yes it had some stupid story twists but, I say fuck it.Why didn`t you get Richard Donner to do Die Hard. Are you trying to say Len Wiseman is a better action director that Richard Fucking Donner?!
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on AICN concerning Die Hard untill release. Then on day the Die Hard 4 comes outI am gonna go to chinatown and buy cam DVD of this PG13 supposedly better than first R Die Hard. Than when I see wheather I have been flat out lied too in regard to "being as good as or better" and actually HEAR: YIPIKA YAY MOTHERFUCKER, THAN a PAUSE AND THAN BLAST/SHOT/WHATEVER and not YIPIKA YAY MO-- AND EXPLOSION CHEATING OR SOMEBODY BREAKS WINDOW OR SOMETHING GETS JOHN`s ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE ISSUE AT HAND or ANYMOTHERFUCKING VARIATION WHERE WE DON`T GET CLEAR AND JUICY YIPIKAYEY MOTHERFUCKER. ... closely wathing above mentioned issue while watching that crapy cam DVD I`ll be able to see if anyone actually dies hard, and if there is any blood anywhere and if CGI was not overused(car piruets bluescreen jetfighters etc) and get an opinion on that Jet wing surfing/jump. If I am satisfyed and don`t feel flat out being lied too than first I am going to get my best fried to spit in my face for doubting the hollyness of Die Hard and Bruce(since this one will be better, wow, I am soo thrilled by the sheer though that action cinema will be lifted onto a new plato)than I will go and see that movie in cinema 3 or 7 of 11 times and come here to Talkbackalypto`s and apologise profoundly. That`s what I plan to do.If howewer I see that shit pirate cam DVD is indeed what I think now of PG13 Die Hard 4 will be and have all the lies from Bruce to backitup, or whoever will pose as him on Q&A, well then you motherfucker are gone forewer and ALL the goodwill for you, all your movies and whatever cause you try to forward will die at that very second. You`ll pocked that 20/20 money from naive idiots who`ll pay to see that shit and than retire forewer to shame of appearing on Italian TV and in Japanese and Italian commercials. Mind you last time I checked, they had internet and smart people in Italy too, soo who knows if even they`ll tolerate you.
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represents my dread of what Die Hard in PG13 will make me think about Bruce afterwards.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LNoQKHlCHs
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JohnMacLane in 16 Blocks. (Remember with a vengence?) The whole movie feels very real. Add that reminded me of original Die Hard. Its not about constant explosions. Its about 2-3 but damn big ones.Its about blowing Tagagis brain out.Its about crashing an airplane full of innocent civilians.whatever bulding or person they`ll blow up in Live Free, I guarantee you right here&now it won`t have the visceral impact of those two examples. Period. Coma. And one more.
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when he did RAN. Donner could do it for sure, with some great backup. Have you seen Ran, BSB? If haven`t=go away watch right now, than come back and report being blown away.
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Talbacalypto BUT suits here better and would like Walter to adress it if he can.I am betting that there is no true R footage whatsoever, and the "unrated" crap DVD will be just that. Crap. UNRATED just means you didn`t give the DVD to MPAA to rate it. Hell it may very well be the same theatrical version. Or they put some more shots of planes flying. Or mackintosh guy one extra smile.
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I want a stright answer:Did you do a take where you explicitly said :"Yipika Yay motherfucker!" facing camera?Was there actual film in the camera?Yes ok its 2 questions. So whats up, tell us stright.
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This could be a "Raiders or Poltergeist " level of gore and action so nothing wrong with that. Walter B your flicks get played many times in my household, thanks for the good times and yes I paid to see GRINDHOUSE , you looked like you had fun doing that flick lol. Ps you sold 2 more tickets to DH4!
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pulls a triger. And Raiders is sunday serial adventure. Nazis melting is fun but not disturbing in a "can happen" reality sense. You do understand the difference between gore and R action, do you Mace?
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and respond later strategy Walter. Did the first call u made to Harry and reaction to it not pan out the way your team planned? Maybe you don`t want flat out lie about the Die Hard 4, since obviously there is serious problem lying somewhere in there. Its commendable you don`t won`t to flat out lie to people. Its also smart since that will/would never go away. Never. It would follow you and your work anyway yu went after betraying Die Hard. But since 4 is as good or better that 1, why worry. Man I look forward to this experioece.
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for a hard core Die Hard film? He probably would never be interested, or Bruce in him maybe or whatever. Imposible them two working together, but wow, I like just imagining it.
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I always come to this site at least twice a day to check out the latest news, and I've always looked over the tb's, but have never posted until now. It took a PG-13 rating for a Die Hard film to do it. I'm very disappointed with the news of the rating, adn I've been aroudn enough movies to know that there is a big difference in terms of sheer intensity that can be reached with each rating. Yes I know that you can get away with more now with a PG-13 rating then you could years ago, but in reality it's not much more. I also know there are some really good PG-13 rated action movies, I'm not getting into naming them because I feel it's not valid. You can name all the good PG-13 rated action movies you want, but it still doesn't negate the fact that we're talking about a Die Hard movie. I grew up watching the Die Hard movies, and I respect Bruce a great deal. He's given us some really great movies over the years, and I hope he's right, but when you limit yourself for a PG-13 rating you loosing that something special that made Die Hard great. I'm not talking about all the F-bombs, or the blood. It's more than that, it's story points, intensity, and the sheer fact of who the character is. I know Fox is doing this because they feel they'll make more money off of it, but I feel their really hurting themselves in the long run. Adults still go to the movies, adn they want to see adult entertainment with a good story, and good characters. An R rating doesn't mean death for a movie, and some of these studios have no clue about that. I'm not sure what's so hard for them to understand, each year there are movies that make a lot of money that are R rated. As long as you make a good product that people are interested in seeing, They Will Come!!! I thought especially in a summer where we have no R rated action movies that they would want to stand out, but I guess I was wrong, adn this maybe a terrible end for a great franchise.
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If that's really Walter B and not the guy who made the fake Batman pictures, then you oughta show him respect. The only other time I wrote about a movie and the maker of the movie posted in the talkbacks the guy actually challenged me to a wrestling match. Walter B has remained calm and friendly despite all the negativity thrown his way. This is a pretty amazing occurrence, it seems like, so ask your tough questions but don't be an asshole about it.
I like your idea about Mel Gibson directing DIE HARD, though. The guy is a lunatic but damned if I didn't enjoy APOCALYPTO. Only thing is, I'm not sure which language you would change DIE HARD to. Maybe McClane goes to Africa somewhere and the whole thing is subtitled in an obscure African dialect, and instead of Yippee Ky Yay he makes a reference to an African folk tale or something. -
It does if you agree, or not.
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Dude. Seriously. Calm the fuck down, and please learn to spell. Reading this talkback becomes a chore of sisyphean proportions once your name rolls around. Seeing you post 40 times in a row, every single post containing at least 2 grammatical errors, and then talking a bunch of shit (while continuing to misspell) to every person who dares to disagree with you, including the man himself. You're asking for a talkback beatdown, man. Just ease up for a sec, this issue isn't going to get better with you here mod'ing everything. I'm on your side, but just chill.
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Come on! I am suprised at all of you. Nobody else calls bullshit on "Walter B." Fuck.
Childish language: "i am John Mafuckin'Clane" and "just the straight, tight shit"
Grammar Mistakes!!!
And, please, I would hope that Bruce would know how to spell "despite" and "compulsory."
I mean, come on, "cumpolsory"? You losers are the ones being cummed on by a smart-ass geek with a lot of time on his hands and a Wikipedia entry on Bruce minimized in the background.
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I am off to the looping stage to replace dialog that needs to be replaced due to outside noise- explosions, crowd noise etc. I feel pretty sure most of you know what looping is-
but I wanted to see if I could answer a couple of these queations.
9, I came up with the concept of "what if I just listen". In this case it would be reading as opposed to listening, but let"s see.
I doubt if Mel would want to do a Die Hard, as he had his own Franchise with Lethal Weapon. As a side note I dug Apocalypto as well, and I think he a great film maker, and a teriffic storyteller.
Harry and I had a brief conversation about whether or not we could figure out some kind of '10' questions, or something like that, but since our conversation we have not talked. I chose, for now, to just jump in and see if I could answer some of the questions you guys had.
I have no interest in answering questions about my Family, or any of the other more salacious stuff I have read here, but if it has to do with DH4, I will give it a shot.
Even when you are not talking to the guy/guys from a film, there seems to be a great deal of hating and pre-judgement that goes on on this site. Is that how it usually goes in the AICN boards? I was just curious.
And honestly, I wanted to hear what the AICN cats had to say about films, mine included the dogs as well as the winners.
So I am not sure how we could format these talkbacks to satisfy the Q and A process, but I am open to it.
I just looked for a couple questions.
Yes there is an interesting flip on the Yippe Ki Yay Motherfucker part of DH4 that I think will be suprising( to a certain degree) but is more than satisfying to me and hopefully to the people who are fans of the Mythology of Die Hard.
To that point I will try to answer darkman.
All the intensity, the story flips and surprises, and most importantly, John MaClanes dark sense of humor remain intact in DH4, and was not compromised at all by the rating.Within the first 12 minutes of the movie you will forget about the rating anyway.
To 9.
I also realize that I am being dared to talk about the film, and that there is some suspicion that I would actually lie about the content, or the quality of the movie, but I know as well as you all do that my words will be here long after the Film comes out, and I will stand by them.
And being pleasantly surprised by how well the film turned out, I have no reason to lie to you guys/girls here than I would anywhere else.
And as I said in an earlier post, try to set your pre-judgement aside until you have seen the movie.
We never thought about the PG-13 aspect that the MPAA saddled us with, because neither Len nor I EVER pussied out on the action, which is hard-core, fresh, and scary at some points, even. The only thing we could not do was say Fuck more than twice.
But the hard-ass feel of the movie
more than makes up for not being able to cuss as freely as I did in the other 3 Films.
We ask for no quarter, nor do we give it.
So I am happy to answer questions about the Film whenever, and in whatever form is workable to you guys/girls.
Hopefully that will be the last time I have to type "guys/girls- I think you all know what I mean when I use the generic term "guys".
And 9,
Takagi would still have his brains blown out had he been in DH4. Perhaps with a bit less gore, but we have some kills in DH4 that will still rock your ass.
to be continued,
MaFuckin'Clane -
If that was truly Bruce, why would he spend his time on the damned TALKBACKS when Harry is obviously preparing a featured couple of threads for Bruce. This is total BS.
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Hey Walter,
Will there be any cameos of people from the preceding movies? Perhaps that treacherous newsman, Dick Thornburg? Or Sgt. Al Powell?
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you never made a typo while typing? Take your best shot, but fuck off with comments about my typing. I can spell, I just neglected to proofread what I type sometimes.
to a rolling stone,
all your Yippee Ki Yay, Motherfucker dreams will be satistfied.
And my friends have been calling me MaFuckin'Clane for years now, so let that one go.
Oh, and 9, about your 16 Blocks comment.
I always joked that we were actually making Die Hard 16. But yes, there was some MaClane in the 16 Blocks character...
and to all the doubters, the ones who think this is some studio gimmick, or not really me, I would suggest you Cowboy the Fuck Up, and
let it go.
I am interested in what you have to say far more than what I have to write. I am here for that reason.
beedub/MaFuckin'Clane/Walter B
and proofreading is for pussies....
All I can say is that I will do what I can to remain
comprehensible
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why do you find it so difficult to believe I would come into this thread and actually participate in it. Tell me what ISN'T bullshit in your World...
hey 9,
that is a long list, and way up in the Thread, but I will take a shot at your questions/comments.
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Proofreading is for pussies. Buahahaha, jesus. Yeah, of course I have made mistakes, like when I typed suprised instead of surprised. And why is it so difficult to believe? Hah, come on. So, did that feature with Harry thing fall through? Is his line too busy with calls from J.J.? Aren't you late to your looping session which you talked about like a half hour ago? You are not Bruce, and if you are, go to your looping session and do a proper Q and A later with Harry, Stallone style. Christ.
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Yeah man, i do not believe anything you are saying...even if you really are Bruce Willis(highly doubt it). If you really are him why the fuck wouldn't you call him and tell him that you are answering peoples questions under the s/n WALTER B. Actually that would be smart. Call him right now, because you obviously have alot of time on your hands if your writing paragraphs on the talk back forms, and tell him "Hey you fat fuck its Bruce fuckin Willis again and tell these people I'm motherfucking Walter B before i cook you and fuckin eat you". But make sure you beap out the swears with the phone because we want it to be PG13!
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No, the session with harry has not fallen thru, I just wanted to jump in and not wait for the procedural part of that interview.
You probably have more access to Harry than I do anyway.
with that I am off to the sound stage.
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Shit, the producers of Die Hard are probably like, "Where the fuck is Bruce, he said he'd be here an hour ago!" "Sorry guys, I had to trade insults and answer questions on some movie geek website's talkback section. Anyone have a computer so I can log in and bitch some more?"
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It's not exactly a rare occurrence a celebrity has communicated with his/her fans on a message board.
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How did Len Wiseman get picked as director? I'm just curious I have no problem with the man, and I just wanted to know.
How was it working with him?
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Then I'd like to know who you'd think would win in a fight Stallone or Arnold?
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First of all, I would like to say that I have enjoyed most of the movies that I have seen you in, particularly the Die Hard trilogy, Death Becomes Her, The Fifth Element... You, sir, are a Legend.
I would have to admit my first feeling on the whole PG-13 thing was frustration, particularly as Die Hard was one of the first movies I recall seeing (at the tender age of 6). I recall seeing that cover and thinking, "what is that cool skyscraper movie?" Seeing as I saw the film at home, I can't say it blew me through the back wall of the cinema, but I can say that it did blow me through my living room wall.
However, my feeling of anger soon subsided and I had a bit of a think. I still wanted to see Die Hard 4.0 (as it is called in the UK). Why? Because it is my chance (and probably last) to see Walter B doing what he does best on a huge screen in a comfy cinema seat. I can't help but be excited. The trailer before Spidey 3... The standee in the cinema... Walking past the poster...
I then thought about the PG-13 thing. Casino Royale was PG-13. Sure, it was cut in the States to get that rating, but that was some pretty intense stuff, and that proves you can get away with murder (ahem) almost in a PG-13 film. The MPAA must be really relaxed these days if they allow a guy to get whipped in the balls repeatedly. You don't need swears to be a badass. Bond proved that.
I then realized that if I, as a Brit, am okay with our censored version of DHWAV (I assisted with a cuts list on that here, if you're curious): http://www.worldwidedvdforums.com/kb.php?mode=article&k=32 ), then I can put up with a few over-dubbed bits of strong language. Because I have faith. I have faith in Walter P. The trailers have given me that. 16 Blocks and Hostage are both great little action films, of the kind we don't see too often.
Hopefully, I haven't bored you with my hopes for the film because now I wouldn't mind asking a few questions that are on my mind:
- How much swearing was there in the original script?
- Did you swear often during your improvisations on set? How often would you say you improvised and how much of it is in the film?
- Will Europe get a stronger version of this film? (e.g. Casino Royale, Dodgeball)
- Have you ever thought about directing like Mel Gibson and Sylvester Stallone?
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...a PG-13 Die Hard is the epitome of the phrase "sell-out". Hard to believe that the day has come when a British spoof of cop movies has got more guts, glory & balls than a Die Hard sequel. Amaaaaaazing....
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hey man- if it's really you thanks for taking the time. I have to first echo what's been said- my parents took me to see Die Hard in theaters, and I walked out of the screening hovering 6 inches off the ground. As a kid in 5th grade, i had just had my ass appropriate rocked for the first time, and it's one of my favorite childhood memories. The sequels were shared on opening weekend between my dad and me- one of our few unspoken bonds- we both were excited beyond words about a new sequel. Age was irrelevant. bytheway you're crazy- DH3 kicked and still kicks major ass.
MY QUESTION: while DH4 floundered for nearly a decade, i read everything from your indifference about continuing, to saying "no" after 9/11, to wanting to go low-tech and have a bare-fisted jungle Die Hard 4.
From what I can tell- this installment is bigger in scope than all the previous entries. Why the change of heart, from "no thanks" to "we'll see" to "a jungle theme would turn the series on it's head" to "this one's better than the first" when it appears to be almost Bond-esque in scale?
Do you realize that most guys of my generation (28 years old) view Die Hard as THE definitive action movie of all time? Are you really claiming to have a BETTER movie on your hands with DH4?
I would also say- the R rating always made Die Hard work because the violence would shock. It's gotta be a tougher sell making the kindof impact we're used to from a die hard movie without the ability to threaten with violence through an R-rating. Did you guys have a tougher time making the film intimidating within a PG-13 framework?
The reason us dudes (and girls) are so worked up is because we value this franchise and it's part of our upbringing. We just want it to rock more than- well, Transformers.
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some PG movies from studios lean closer to an R so if DH4 has to show a guy get run over by a truck and all we see is a blood smear on the pavement Vs seeing him have his guts ripped out and wrapped around the axel and his head run over with eyeballs popping out I can live with that... I have faith in Walter. Just don't give us any scenes where the cops get blown-up and set on fire in one shot , then walk away fine in the next (X-Men 2 anyone)
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I just wanted to know will there be any cameos from previous DH characters? Thanks in advance.
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Stallone never got to read any of mine, but that's okay. Bru- I mean, Walter B, just want to say THANKS for choosing to participate online in the lead up to DH4's release.
My greatest fear is that DH4 may play similar to KING ARTHUR, of which there are now two versions – an R and a PG-13. I guess this will be different since this is an established franchise. If there is some good to come of the PG rating, it would be that DH4 will make a boatload of cash and give cause for Fox and all involved to return for an ‘R’ sequel.
Only problem is that each of the previous DIE HARD’s only grossed around $100M domestically. If DH4 cracks that figure, is that considered a success? Maybe we need to know what the budget is for DH4 to understand why Fox has gone with PG-13. Of course it’s not going to topple TRANSFORMERS, the demographics are far wider with that property. Any comparisons made between these films is to me unfair.
Walter, I have a question about the mythology of Die Hard. You said that Len Wiseman is returning to this mythology, therefore making DH4 as good as, if not better than DH1.
Could you explain what this mythology is? Because while DH1 is my favourite of the three, I fucking love the hell out of DH3. The characters and story were never geographically confined (as they were in DH1&2). Jumping off a bridge, shoot-out on a highway, driving through a park, action in the subway, it was like a roller coaster ride. And I loved the buddy element in Samuel Jackson.
It’s obvious these same elements are alive in DH4, in that the characters are all over the place, but this time the chaos in these places is more prevalent. Therefore how has Len preserved the hardcore DH mythology in this piece? Could you explain the requisite elements for the mythology?
Even though it’s PG-13, I’m still confident DH4 will kick a lot of ass. Stick around, Walter B, the questions have only begun ...
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That Bruce WIllis had signed to co-star with him in The DOORWAY To TRUE EVIL... Which would now be rated PG-13... Although with a promise of a unrated director's cut on DVD that would feature actual, uncensored, juggfuckling...
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Seldom have such heartfelt words been expressed, I wholeheartedly agree.
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The real deal or the Overlord of the Plant people? We'll see...
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I would like to hear your thoughts on The Last Boy Scout? I love that movie. Plus what was it like working with Tony Scott?
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The Last Boy Scout started out to be a great film about Sports Gambling.
Somewhere along the line it got changed into some silly fucking chase to save a Senator that got me fired. Maybe the people in charge of Sports gambling had something to say about it. I'll never know.
It was great working with Tony S. He likes lots of close ups, doesn't he?
But the first half hour of that film was pretty good. Plus it was my first shot at play a cop post Die Hard.
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At the time I finally agreed to do LForDH, I considered it a huge gamble. in the wrong hands , it could have truly sucked.
But to answer your question, I wanted to know if I was still up for it, wanted to know if a movie that began in 1986 could be brought into the 21st Century, and I am a gambling man by nature.
But I gotta say, it's a lot easier talking about the movie now that I have seen a rough cut of it.
It makes listening to the Haters seem like, well, Haters without and basis for their prejudice. I got no time for Haters. Life is too short.
thanks
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I love Shane Blacks writing. Yeah Tony loves his close-ups, but he always makes solid movies.
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The Mythology of Die Hard, for me consists of the following-
1. an ordinary guy confronted with an extraordinary circumstances
2. MaClane loves his Family, his Country, and despises anyone who preys on people who cannot defend themselves, and has a severe distaste for Authority.
3.You just can't stop MaClane
4. A story that is riveting from beginning to end.
5. Finally, the weiredness of seeing a set of films whose timeline covers 22 years.
Once the term "the Mythology of Die Hard started getting used, everyone
got it, almost immediately.
We never thought we were shooting a movie, not a rating. i have said it elsewhere on this Thread, but except for the Fuck quotient, this Film is as badass as the First, and way tougher than 2 or 3, and the hardcore heart of the Film's Mythology has not been compromised one bit, regardless of the outrage of those who haven't seen it yet.
thanks
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what other predictions do you have for movies you haven't seen yet? And I could give a fuck about spin. I will let the movie stand on it's own merits.
WB -
You've mentioned the notion of bringing "Die Hard" into the 21st century. What was significant to Len Wiseman's process that made you believe he was the man for the job? Would you be able to share some insight into his vision for the new film?Thanks and regards,-MNG
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Len W got picked by the Studio because they wanted a fresher set of eyes on the movie, and the story, and
the liked his take on how hardcore he was going to make it.
It was great working with him, and he busted his ass working on it. Still is busting his ass to get it out by the 4th of July weekend.
thanks
BW
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Walter B, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you were once quoted as saying something about American versus European films: something like, American films are less likely than European films to have "a message," and that Americans innately rebel against the idea of "message movies" because of their heritage and their dislike of being preached to. I was wondering (1) do you still feel that way? (2) If so, is this something about Americans that you embrace, or something that you are prone to criticize? Do you see your film work primarily in terms of entertainment value, or has there ever been a greater, overarching message that's been important to you? Finally (3) of your films, which are you personally the most proud of and why? Thanks for your time Bruce, and I look forward to the Harry interview/Q and A.
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Whatever happend to the pro-war film you were going to do on U.S. soldiers or something like that? I read about it it awhile back.
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other than the 5 year old character of Lucy MaClane, who is now 26, there
are no cameos from the 3 previous Die Hards.
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Haha, BW's explanation of the "Die Hard" mythology sounds like something Vern would write. I love it.
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BringingSexyBack is AICN's wannabe STARFUCKER. But I'm sure you already figured that out.
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Nice explanation of how things work in the AINC world. And having my own personal problem with Authority, I completely get it. And that extends far beyond the range of the Movie Industry. I think we are currently in
a deep parochial trough in this country that comes along every 20 years or so.(example's of the opposite of this Parochialism would be the roaring 20's, the 60's, and the 80's.) It's almost as if it's gotten to the point where the next thing we'll see will be "Word Rehab"- witness that guy from Grey's Anatomy who merely said he did NOT call someone a fag. Off to SOME kind of Rehab.
But I do not for one minute believe
anyone is really changing their behaviour, but simply doing whatever they do and say, much more quietly.
This to shall pass.
I find the alternative points of view expressed here at AICN, which are pretty varied, to be refreshingly honest. Every group has Haters, and to be honest, when I mentioned Haters in an earlier post, I was referring to Haters in general. I just have zero tolerance for hatred of any kind, except the hatred reserved for Rapists, Kidnappers, and Child Molesters.
But I see what even your own members call Haters as passionate people who express themselves without an editing mechanism. Too bad you don"t have any sway with the politicians. I would like to see the Presidential candidates in the upcoming election be forced to
answer the questions of AICN's membership.
Doubtless this post will be seen as more spin, but fuck it- I reject all judgment, and in general keep my own counsel, for good or bad. Which is why I can take credit for deciding to do movies like 12 Monkey's and Pulp Fiction, as well as having to hang my head for deciding to do dogs like
Striking Distance and Sunset....
Thanks krack
WB -
That's what? Number four from "BSB's Top Ten Favorite Weak-Ass AICN Flame/Bait Responses"?!That's ok, buddy. I know you've fallen off your game these days. But I'm sure you'll pick yourself up with some multi-posts about Shia Labeouf. I mean, that is what you're good for these days, right?HEHE.
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I hope you get to have a more visible podium from which to answer questions and slap the Haters since I doubt many know you're here right now. I was lucky I stumbled back onto this thread. But it's a good way for you to get a feel for this place.
Thanks for the mythological breakdown. I think a major component is that McClane can be a major fucking asshole when he wants to be.
A couple more questions:
1. If LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD makes enough cash for Fox to want to proceed with a FIFTH DIE HARD, would you be part of it? Would you pass the baton to someone else? Or have you reached a point now where you've had enough of being the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time?
2. Of the 4 DH movies, which was the most fun to work on, and why?
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Does John McClane still smoke like a chimney in this one?
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you are welcome.
I forgot to mention that MaClane is a lot crankier in this Film than in any of the previous Films.
As i am still working on LF orDH, it is hard to say what my response would be to a 5th installment. I said I wouldn"t do another one after the first Film, so all I really learned is to never say never. But right now, I cannot see myself doing another one. The 'wrong place,wrong time' gag has pretty much run it's course.
The first DH was the most fun, because it was all very new, and at that time I had no idea it would
become a quartet of Films spanning
22 years. The second was my least favorite, and the least fun. Far to self-referentially precious, the story was all over the place, and suffered from severe un-claustrophobic-ness. This last one was the most draining, physically, and mentally. I will have been working on this Film for an entire year by the time it opens, but most definitely the most rewarding from an artistic standpoint. And I have already gone on record as saying it will be as good, if not better than the first Film.
thanks
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Jack- no smoking in this one
krack- i will say Linda. she is much better looking, and has a better margarita than I do
wb -
Thanks again, WB. That's something I wasn't expecting to see in the trailer for LFODH - McClane repeatedly saying he is going to save his daughter and kill the bad guy - kill them all. That to me sounds like about as far as you can push a character before he just goes nuts and kills everyone around him. So I look forward to that breaking point in the film's third act.
I think I was eleven when I saw the first DH, and it left me buzzing. I remember going back home and immediately writing my own terrorist movie where the lead was a teenager. It’s total horseshit now but I had a blast writing it and its bullshit-ridden sequel. Thanks for agreeing to do the DH sequels, they have been a lot of fun over the years - even with the seriousness of the second one. And I love how New York comes alive in the third.
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Thanks man. (John M. seemed to cut back on the ciggs significantly in DHWA..., So I figured he must have quit by now.)
Another PG-13 movie that kicked ass--and also happened to have you--was The Fifth Element. The movie was very unusual, but in a fun way. Can we be expecting a sequel, any time soon (or ever)? I've heard rumors of a sequel for years, but never any solid info.
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I hope it stays this way! lol
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I got to say that's the cool thing that Walter B is doing right now. Sly went through Harry who prepared 10 questions for him each day, but this way (or at least at this stage), Walter B just chats to whoever he damn well wants. I can't believe I've already had several questions answered. It's a much more direct way of conversing with the geeks.
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I remember taking a 6 hour trip to Sydney just to see this film in a good cinema in 1995. I can't remember if it was just before or after I saw the flick that a huge crowd was gathered around Mr. Willis on a podium in George Street where he slung a sledge hammer or something into a wall, officially commencing construction of the Planet Hollywood there (now a Star Bar). For some reason a sheep was brought on stage right after and Bruce gave it a shear, which I thought that was pretty funny. But it was cool to see him in person within moments of seeing the flick. I was glad I made the weekend trip.
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nothing cool like that happens to me in dallas. Heh bruno pulling a sheep shearing planet hollywood publicity stunt and all I get is luke wilson.
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I love any country where you can get beer in a giant gallon sized mug. G'day!!! cuz its like 4 am here.
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Walter B compares to a PG-13 Die Hard. Not the real thing.
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I can get carried away sometimes and you called me out. Valid point. But do you see the response it brought!? Come to think of it, fuck authority, even if its Bruce 20/20 himself. Its Big Big Big money we`re talking here Vern and call me an asshole but I won`t let them get away cheaply if they`re full of shit on this movie.
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Vern wrote something that in my opinion might be the very best ever article of AICN. And what happened, it died in less than two days. The article about Die Hard PG13 vs R issuue died softly and quickly on this site. Everybody moved to cock sucking in Spiderf@g TB`s which were plenty many very too many.(can follow this grammar outrage that just happened?)That alone says a lot about most of AICN TB`ers. Anyway I ALONE brought back this HOT AS HELL TB back into top ten, and kept it alive for two days, so that eventually some people will start getting it that this one should not be left to die quietly. I was very vocal in my opinions, but far from lauching personal insults to Bruce, his family or whatever of the sort.So what happens. We get supposed call from Bruce to Harry, and new TB which totally tries to circumvent the issue Vern brought up. What happens next, is expected. People see it for the bullshit it is and go nuts. Also immidiatelly we start reading questions of such high importance as Bruce`s opinion on Ashton K shit and basicaly all disgusting and gossip press topics with it. Meanwhile, my ranting and obsessive posting brings Vern back and monster2 and some others and with my continuos posting we keep this much more important TB very much alive. All of a sudden WALTER B shows up and TB comes to life and is still going strong. All this time everybody manages to actually keep the TB extremely positive and well manered. Except maybe 9banned0.5furious(debate still not settled). We have something quite unique and great here if Walter B is indeed who he MaFuckinClains to be.What kind of talkbacker backclash you are refering to I completely don`t give a shit, since I don`t care what people think of me if to them Spiderman is more important as Die Hard R issue. Unless I took up modding this TB it would be long gone. I haven`t seen you fighting by my side for the issue at hand so you are believed nothing as to what side you belong so please refer to the Subject line for a nice quote from Die Harder.
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this TB is now officialy the best TB ever if only you would be so kind and answer these two questions first, before we continue and adrees some things you answered to me up there.1. What is the name of hotel that you stayed in for the Cannes 50th Anyversary Film Festival? (You know, the one in France)2. If you looked out to the sea from Palais de Festival, what could you see, that was never there before or after?If you answer correctly it will go a long way towards trusting you with your answers. Also it will get you much deserved respectfull behavior from me.
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must be Bruce`s second best movie for me. I was one of the few in the almost empty cinema when that movie came out. General audience sucks. I mean, Die Hard is awesome, but that movie came from a novel and many excelent scriptwriters. But Shane Black wrote probably the best kick ass original action piece ever. Hail Shane, and hail Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. And hail Joel Silver for using his pull to get that movie made.
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and hopefully will have some interesting posts to come back too.
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how low we`ve fallen on the top ten list.
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because it helps the cause.
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as to what position we`re holding in the top ten.
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rulling a MOVIE site!?
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why does this happen?
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lack of quality stuff in cinemas?
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improved so much?
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a bit of both.
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to see what original Die Hard thought of TV. It was still Hollywood vs TV era.
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corporation so they work hand in hand.
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Who knows, but we get some great TV shows.
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are totaly the best TV for me. 24 is good too.
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to a great concept. At least for me.
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noone called out bullshit when there is one thing that surely can`t be taken out of Die Hard mythology.
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Are we saying that that litle thing is not one of major elements of the original Die Hard?
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but felt it was lacking mostly for two things. No Cristmas and no Bonnie.
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on board with Lucy being in this 4th outing. I mean: "McClane residence, Lucy McClane speaking." That is fucking cute right there. And to grow up into the hotness we`re getting here was only to be expected.
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I meant Mel Gibson as the director to go to for a kick ass R action, not as a replacement or buddy element to Bruce. The only option of Mel onscreen would be as a major Bad Guy and leading up to some kick ass showdown at the end.
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I din`t mean to do start a fight or anything. Just I think its different action intensity with Die Hard, so was coming from that angle.
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than come back in hope dubbing boy has some answers ready.
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Ask Walter B that question you asked earlier. Cause i have a strange feeling someone is fucking with us
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I do appreciate you resuscitating the talkback, lovingly nursing it back to health, giving it a back rub, etc. I was sad to see this one going, and then it stayed. Thanks bud.
Also, I didn't mean to call you an asshole. I just wanted to remind you NOT TO BE an asshole, in case it really is him. As for his authenticity, I don't know, if it's a faker he's doing a really good job of keeping a straight face, not making a joke out of it. I did notice one thing he said about the movie that contradicted something I'd read about it, but the magazine article I read could've got it wrong, who knows. I emailed Harry to ask if he could confirm Walter, but have not heard back yet. (black box doesn't give you that much extra pull I guess.) -
detail you can`t Google or find on Wiki?
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As for LAST BOY SCOUT, I think it's a flawed movie but I gotta appreciate any movie that opens with its hero passed out in a car waking up because some kids put a dead squirrel on his head. Now THAT'S an entrance we can all relate to. Also, lots of good lines in that one.
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Not to start any man love here, but it was a pleasure doing it and the least I could do after reading your great piece. Also I didn`t take your remark in anyway bad spirit.I have ZERO trust in Harry, what he says about Walter or Die Hard. I mean have you seen his explanatory post in the other TB? WTF!?You look up, where I posted an almost foolproof test double question to Walter to confirm his identity, concerning his bedroom location and certain visual impressions of that Festival 10 years ago. You see I was there and so was Bruce and so were some other people, so if his memory won`t match I will call bullshit and prove it too.
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I watched promos, got excited, then first episode and immediately felt sick and stopped watching. Its like X-files meets Desperate Housewives. And I don`t need Desperate Housewives element, like, at all.I think you missed my question to you concerning-- Ford Fairlane:R`n`R detective. I for one like it and think its one of better R action commedies and smart one at that. I don`t watch it as a guilty plesure. I mean: "What the fuck is wrong with you! Mano a mano. What the fuck that even means!?" Indulge me, please.
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My head's still dizzy from all the SPINNING. You may have won all the rest of these fanboys to your side, but I'm holding my ground (along with Brother 9). PG-13 Die Hard = Flames on Optimus = PG-13 Alien vs. Predator = Nipples on Batsuit = All that damn crying in Spidey 3.
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care and not easily won over, but please don`t compare Die Hard to Toy-line and comic book films or Disney`s rides(i know I added last one myself). Just... don`t. Those are brand names movies and only contibute if are not right out responsible for everything that is wrong with cinema today.
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and should never have been PG13. underworld was also bad. I don't hold out much hope for this, as it seems too long between films, and in the meantime some genius decided to limit the swearing. however, swearing is not the be all and end all of the film, and I know lots of people that are seeing it because it's DIE HARD so.... i'm a bit on the fence with this one, but I do hope that is who it is meant to be.
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I like you dude. I love your movies. I actually paid money to sit through 4 different showings of "The Last Boy Scout". But, come on, sir. There is nothing...Nothing...NOTHING hard at all about a PG-13 action movie! All we'll get is 2 "fucks", lots of stuff blowing up, lots of machine guns firing at shattered windows and car doors. People who actually get shot will have those patented PG-13 bloodless bullet holes or we'll just see them fall to the ground with no visual impact (i.e. Mission:Impossible 2). It just ain't right, dude.
9: I wasn't trying to make brand name comparisons. I used those examples as a feeble attempt to illustrate to Bruce that, at the end of the day, some things just ain't right. But surely our words will fall on deaf ears. I blame Fox. They must have a mind control device on folks or something. Why else would would people automatically grant a PG-13 Die Hard a pass? After all, this is the same studio resposible for a PG-13 combination of 2 hard-R action franchises, X-Men For Dummies (b.k.a. X-Men: The Last Stand), and Fantastic Four. I'm telling ya, Bart Simpson's laugh is probably emmitting some sort of fucked up signal in our brainwaves. Thank God I don't watch "The Simpsons"! LOL! -
Alien V Predator should have been, Dh should have been, but not that one. Last Boy Scout is great- just brilliant. Loved it.
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The "Hard R action franchise" comment is a direct reference to AVP. The X-Men & FF references are just supporting evidence that Fox, to paraphrase another one of their movies, really needs to get their groove back.
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I'm more concerned with Kevin Smith being in the movie than it being rated PG-13. That untalented hack should be banned from all cinema.
I can do without the R rating. People are too obsessed now-a-days with seeing severed limbs, exploding heads, and being cussed at beyond sanity.
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PG 13 and there is no way around it no matter how they spin it. utz: Valid point. Wasn`t trying to bash you. Yes, general audience are idiots. Remember feeling alone when watching Last Boy Scout in cinema? I must dissagre on X3. First, I never cared for comics so have no problem with its mythology. To me X3 is the only one that is actualy exciting has pace and has good action and no ballet shit. I think Singer sucks as action director. He should do drama. I think that The Usual Suspects is good inspite of him, not because of.
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Kevin Smith represents a problem in a way he seems funnyer than John. That is an issue much more dangerous to Die Hard.Its nice you can do without R rating, but than either Die Hard is clearly not your type of action movie or you don`t fully realise the debilitating consequences that PG13 will do to it.
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Its nice you can't do without an R rating, but nobody cares about your opinion any more than you care about mine. The fact that there is going to be a Die Hard 4 movie at all should tell you more about the quality of the movie than the PG-13 rating. Its all about the benjamins.
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I thought it would be cool if he was contacted by others who were similar, who had a "thing" they could do, but made realistic. It wouldn't have to be a pure action movie, they could just all be as scared as he about their "powers", and there's a villain at the end. Then for a third movie, he dies at the end protecting his family, some years after they create the Justice League, er, superhero group.
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but you also adjusted your song. So its cheating. I know its about benjamins, thats why Kevin is in the movie. DH4 must seriously suck. Somebody said, hey lets bring Smith in to try and control geeks and colleges and such. Lets try and prevent the internet hell that will be unleashed upon us once the full truth about the actuall film is known.
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It'll match the quality of the last 2 Die Hards, but no DH sequel will ever match our opinion of the first.
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of PG 13 overgrown. No R, automatically means less than 2 and 3, regardless their faults. Hey, I am not saying it has to match an opinion. How stupid would that be? It HAS to not cop out of its essence and TRY to bee as good movie as possible. Clearly there is indication that is not whats comming our way. But, actually Walter B thinks in his opinion DH4 is better than the first.
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that the other TB, you know the one where "Bruce" called Harry fell of the list. Even with all those potential pressing questions.
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He spells it MaClane. Now, if this was Bruce Willis people, give him the benefit that he'd know how to spell his biggest character's name. Capice?
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grace us with you presence here. Indeed a good point. But not 100%. I think it may be difficult to say MFuckingCLane. If that is the insider joke name they are calling him. Capische? Anyway him avoiding the place to answer my identity proof question must prove you right. Shame. It looked like we had a very special TB going there for a moment.
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post count down!? The more we post now the more number goes down. Who dis smart fucker?
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Seriously, this guy is not Bruce Willis, he is John Titor the time traveler.
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connetced to that hypemaking editing room article. That wouldn`t be fair. Pirates are well off and need not to add extra to Die Hard problems.
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I was happy enough with your stance on Die Hard, but now this...Obviously one of the banned repligin` group. Irish writer lost in France?
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to have personally insulting TB here? Its good to know you know, but man, lets weed him out PG13 style. Its whats his game is this days.
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good one. But, me not drunk at all. Maybe later.
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That's kind of lame, I always thought it added to the whole 'regular guy/non PC' facet of the character. I also loved how he progressed to develop a drinking problem. Since this McClane quit smoking and is totally bald did he become straight-edge?
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life-threatening situations. Who paid for that counseling? With what money? Did he get half from Miss Gennaro after she made it big and they divorced forewer? Or did he start taking dirty money to support gambling debts? Or who really is this person and did he change so much with mindcontrol?
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a month short of 3 years now. Bravo BSB.
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And because I have to ask; what is the easy way to quit BSB? I'm imagining a response along the lines of, 'Stick the filter up your ass before you light up; then it doesn't seem as appealing to place in your mouth' for some reason.
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...how bad do you think Walt's gonna cuss us out tonight?
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watching some georgeous green hills and decided I don`t want to die before I am 40. I was smoking 3 packs a day for last 4 years. I went and bought the cheapest cigarrets I could find. Fucking awfull. Lighted 3, 4 during the day and put them out after few intakes. Next morning I woke up and never lighted up again.
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my questions about Cannes50th then fuck Walter B. If he can... I don`t know, I`ll grill him for a few answers he gave me up there. Like especially you know, "Yes there is an interesting flip on the Yippe Ki Yay Motherfucker part of DH4 that I think will be suprising( to a certain degree) but is more than satisfying to me and hopefully to the people who are fans of the Mythology of Die Hard." That one will be put to some test. And other stuff where he actually shot himself in the foot I think, but we`ll wait untill he answers first.
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dealing with plants in the other TB. They are just a bit too skilled.
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bring it back to top ten again. Damn that Pirate TB is comming up. Muppet nonloving Moriarti, why did you delay the article and release it now and are hurting Die Hard R drama?
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I actually might try that, since the gum is like $50 bucks a box and I imagine I'd probably go through a bunch of boxes before I managed to stop.
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and to those editing room sessions at Disney!
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in the other TB of being an intelectual and a member of a Camus reading uptight book club for defending Die Hard R status. No matter what this movie is now and whatever shit turns out to be, I will allways have this. This will be mine Live Free or Die Hard memory forewer. Nothing in the upcomming film can raise WOW above this. This is just, just, too beautifull.
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What fucker is lowering the number count of posts!?? Why is this ok to you!? Ahh!?
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and hope for the best for next few hours.
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but not
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WIFE
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wife, so
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while/before having a beer.
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STAY STRONG!
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They're tracking over the last 24 hours only. Seriously, my friend, I think we have made valid points. Let's wait for Walt to curse us out some more tomorrow. In the meantime, go back to your regularly scheduled life.
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Just a few questions which have been bugging me..
1. Has the DH 4 music score been totally re-invented for the 21st century? Or has Beltrami used parts of Kamen's original work?
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I have serious doubts. I really would like to believe it, because it would be so great having a star like him discussing via the Net with other people. I mean it's like talking to you, just without actually seeing you. Would be great.
Now let's pretend you are really Bruce Willis, who plays John McClane in the four Die Hards.
Now here's the question I wanted to ask. That Vanity Fair article made it look like you weren't satisfied with the decision to make it PG-13. It sounded like it was shot like all the other movies, which got an R-Rating, and that suddenly 20th Fox decided to cut violence and languge to get a PG-13 rating.
But then again, you're now sounding like it never was meant to be any other way. Like you deliberately didn't use swear words like Fuck or didn't rely on the bloody effects of the first ones. While the first three movies were full of that.
So what is this now? What is true? Did Vanity Fair misunderstood you and misquoted you, or did you say something you weren't allowed to (namely negative things like criticism about the movie or the studios decisions?)?
It sounds like you are doing damage control right now. That you are still not liking the way they cut the movie down, but you didn't have a choice but to promote it anyway.
I seriously can't imagine how a PG-13 movie could contain the same amount of realistic violence and excitement as the first three R-rated movies.
Die Hard movies were always for adults. The story was for adults, the ironic twists were for adults, the humor was for adults, the language was for adults, the brutality was for adults, the level of excitement was for adults.
You said it yourself on this board: this summer is flooded with CG/Fantasy. But that's just for the kids. I really looked forward to Die Hard 4, because I thought it would be THE movie for adults again. No Fantasy, no comics, no CG fest, no political correctness, just real stunts, and real swearing, real violence, and an easy guy to like and a hard man to kill. McClane never was a PG-13 character. He shoots first, he swears, he is brutal.
But it sounds like I can't be satisfied this time. In a PG-13 movie, you can't swear like you did in the previous three movies, and you and your villains can't be as violent as you were, as you have to keep it PG-13 (instead of "Keep it Die Hard"). You even can't say your famous catchphrase, because the MPAA would rate it an R immediately. So I guess the "surprising twist" you wrote about is that you can't say motherfucker because you are interupted by an explosion, or by McClanes death, or something else.
You wrote McClane would be crankier than before, and you already said that on the Access Hollywood segment I've seen. But I can't see how he could realistically be more pissed than in the other three movies without swearing more and harder than ever.
It IS disappointing. I myself wanted this one to live up to the promise of the first one, which I always thought was the only really good one.
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Ha! Further proof that Amerika is weak! "Ooo, we cannot see the violence! Ooo, we cannot say the fucking! Ooo, Bald One cannot say Aye-Yi-Yi-Fuckingmother!" Actually, I am being glad about that. Last time Bald One said that, the top of my head was chopped off in explosions.
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I stayed at the DuCap, where I always stay. If you are talking about last year being the 50th anniversary. All I know is I got soaked by a wave that hit me and J.Katzenberg. I cannot tell you what was to be seen from the Palais Royale, as I was looking out at the crowd from up on the stairs with Avril Levigne. That is my memory of it.
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Are you still taking questions? If so, let me know, I've only got about 50 of them ... heheh.
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What I said in the VF article, and what actually got printed were 2 different things. I said that INITIALLY, along with len and a few others working on the film heard about the rating, I was a little bummed, but once we got shooting, I never thought about it again.
We shot a hard-ass movie, not a rating. And I had not seen the movie when I did the VF interview.
Writers often need to present a "thesis" to their articles, and Peter Biskin chose the rating as his. And while you can't imagine how a PG-13 movie can be a rough as
an R, you will just have to wait and see this movie. If you need swearing to make you happy at the movies, there are plenty of those out there. But if you want a new action movie that will rock you, go see LF or DH.
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the 50th was 10 yeas ago, I was ther for Armageddon, or a 20 minute bullshit clip of it. I didn't get to the Palais Royale for that trip. tricky questions baffle me.
And what is the fucking deal with the
critique of how I spell MaClane? (this is not directed at you 9)
Who has time to proofread?
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I guess if THE BOURNE SUPREMACY can kick my ass, while still being PG-13, I guess I should expect the same from LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD. Just no more picking up divided bodies and heads expoding. I can live with that. *prepares for onslaught of R-lovers*
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Walter, I know you're here to talk DIE HARD, but I'm curious - can you drop some details on why your experience on ARMAGEDDON is not one you wish to live through again? Were you simply unhappy with the finished product or was it complete and utter hell making the movie? Or both?
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will most definitely be in DH4
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I have only heard about 2 minutes of Marco's score, so I cannot tell you if the score has been brought into the 21st Century. I'll let you know. They are still scoring right now.
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No, I did not accidentally shoot myself in the foot. I was accidentally kicked in the head by Maggie Q"s stunt girl.
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If you think I am here to win Fanboy approval, you are incorrect. I was told this was a Site where you guys talk about movies. Am I the first actor to come in here and talk with you guys?
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As your buildup question.
Die Hard needed a lot of buildup, as it was the first movie. When you see a sequel, you are not seeing a new movie, but rather another episode of a movie you have already seen. There hasn't been a need to introduce MaClane to the audience, because the audience knows him.
The buildup in DH4 has more to do with the Digital Threat to the Country
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I told R Rodriguez I would work with him anytime, anywhere. We shall see.
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You claim the action and intensity are still there. But is the character of John McClane still the same?. I find it hard to believe without the wisecracks and the F bombs. Youve built the character so well, and it seems almost unreal that the John McClane character is being dropped to a PG13 rating. Also the violence is not going to be on par with the last 3. As much as you probably will say it will be, i can not see that happening in a PG13 movie. Please talk FOX into rating this R, its really disappointing for the hardcore fans.
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Don't ever think that because the movie has a PG -13 mandate that my character has gone PG13. No fuckin way. Just as rough, just as un-PC, still funny, maybe less hair, but fuck, hair, hair does not make you a man, being a man makes you a man.
The Train has sailed on the rating question, Mdot. But the balls of the movie remain intact.
you'll see. A little faith goes a long way.
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Dear Walter B,
You're a Producer on LFODH - could you explain how that made things different this time around? Did this mean you had/have total creative control?
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Does Sam Jackson get a cameo in LFoDH?
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Is there any other movie you've been a part of for which you've created a mythology? Does Die Hard's mythology make the series/or just the first one your most personal films/film?
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Man I gotta say thank you. I started getting this male pattern baldness shit when I was a teenager and it freaked me out to no end. About that time I noticed that my main man on the big screen (thats you btw) had that steadily receding hairline thing going on too and it didn't fuck with his stride so I said Fuck it!! and have been snagging my fair share of pelt ever since. As far as questions go I only have one and its not about the movie so answer if you want. I remember reading an interview where you had a sure fire opening line for the ladies. Went something like "So what are you doing for sex tonight?" Question is, you being who we all pretty much think you are by now, doesn't a question like that just set you up for a harassment suit if some chick was so inclined? Oh yeah also, what the hell happened to Damon Wayans? You ever watch My Wife and Kids? I mean good LORD!
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Does that "Just the fax, ma'am" line from DH2 make you cringe?
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I summed things up earlier today about your new Die ____ movie: "All we'll get is 2 "fucks", lots of stuff blowing up, lots of machine guns firing at shattered windows and car doors. People who actually get shot will have those patented PG-13 bloodless bullet holes or we'll just see them fall to the ground with no visual impact (i.e. Mission:Impossible 2)." Does that pretty much sum it up? Or am I missing something?
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1. Have you ever watched some of the better Die Hard ripoffs like Under Siege, Speed or Sudden Death? If so did you feel like somebody was walking on your grave? Or were you able to enjoy them?
2. Have you ever watched John Woo's Hard Boiled? Personally I think it's the only movie to ever give Die Hard a run for the money in the blowing-people-through-the-back-of-theaters department.
3. I always thought it was weird that John McClane thinks to say "Yippee ky yay motherfucker" every time he is in one of these situations. But then it occurred to me, maybe that is just a phrase he says all the time, like when his team wins he says it, when he throws a piece of paper and it lands in the waste basket he says it, when he gets a package in the mail he says it. Am I right, or does he only say it when killing hostage-takers?
4. Have you considered using your authority as an officer in the Order of Arts and Letters to overturn the PG-13 rating?
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You say that the script has been leaked to you, I think you should scan through it and tell everyone if this film was REALLY filmed for an R rating. Cause i have a feeling it might not of been filmed for an R rating. And can you please ask harry to confirm that Walter B is willis.
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whether Timothy Olyphant's character will be motivated by a hatred for the current US Presidency and if this is something of an anti-Bush film? If you read Walter B's comments above about the state the country is in at the moment, this could well be the case. OR it could always turn out that the villain was doing all that shit so he could rob a bunch of banks without any hassle. So long as he dies hard, I'll be happy.
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thanks for the heads up. I had a website up for a couple of years just because I was sick of talking to reporters about my work and wanted to talk to the people who actually went to the movies. It grew to proportions that required more daily care than I could put in, so I am taking a break from it, but we never really shut anyone out who had differing points of view, or didn't like my movies. I would just tell them that attendance to any movie is never, compulsory, and that they are entitled to their opinions. There are movies I go to that I rag on, and there are movies that I give glowing reviews to.
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Can we hear some more about ARMAGEDDON?
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Whenever I have chosen to produce one of my own films it has been a lot more responsibility.
On DH4, it was the most ever. And while conventional wisdom would make you think that I or any other producer would have total creative control, that was not the case.
There are few people with total creative control, generally Producer/Directors, Big name directors, Wooody Allen, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, etc.
But the real control of any film generally lies in the hands of the financiers. There is a trade off, of course.
Plus, I never want the Director to feel like I am usurping His control. But I produced DH4 because I felt I was "the Keeper of the Keys" of the Franchise. I wanted to make sure it didn't get too far away from what is now being called the Mythology of Die Hard.
I also work a lot on the writing, and character development. As an example, the character of Lucy McClane was originally meant to be in this picture, but it turned out to be a good idea. And while it was
my idea, I fought against it briefly. But Mary Elizabeth Winstead made a great contribution to the cast. Her character is a lot
like her Dad.
Die Hard in the Jungle only lived as an idea briefly, but when we were shooting the movie which would become Tears of the Sun, Joe Roth bought the name from Fox.
The lesson of Tears was never start a film without a finished script.
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no, there was not a big enough part anywhere for Sam J, although his addition to DH3 saved it. He was great in that role.
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Is there a chance we could get both a PG-13 and R cut of LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD on DVD?
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let's see if I can remember all these. I have seen a few of the knock-offs. Being a movie fan, I didn't want to judge just because I chose not to make Die Hard in a Deli- which you must see, btw- but no, there was no grave-rollin'
2.John Woo rocks. Especially with Hard-Boiled. That movie is on my heavy-rotation list. And Chow Yun Fat is the Boss of ass-whoopin'.
3.Yippe Ki Yay has only become part of the Mythology over time. At the time I first said it, it was just a cool thing to say to Alan Rickman when he was raggin on me about 'Mr. Cowboy'. I am amazed still that such a simple line would become part of the World's language. But I say it now under many circumstances, mainly when I am trying to be extra-indecipher-able.
4. If it were in my Power, I, along with almost everyone in Hollywood would set the MPAA's antiquated ratings system. I say let the parents decide. If you remember, Jaws was rated PG. I believe there was some blood in that movie, not to mention Robert Shaw getting chomped and eaten by the shark. I believe it'll come around to a less antiquated system, but who knows when. Jack Valenti ran that sytem into the ground.
I donated a first class recording studio to those kids from the Hip-Hop project, and when they decided to do the documentary, I got that credit.
thanks Vern.
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First, I can seldom sit thru DH2 long enough to get to that line, but it seemed cute enough at the time. But yes, now, cringe-able. The only reason the term Mythology of Die Hard came about was because of the longetivity of the Series. Most films that have more than 3 sequels tend to run out of gas around the 3rd installment, or go in a completely different direction. Witness Lethal 4.
Harry Potter would be an exception, I suppose. But It's why I wanted to produce this one- to keep it from getting to far away from the intent of the first movie. And I always wanted to try to top the first movie. We shall see, but I am proud of this one, and I seldom talk about my real feelings about my films unless it is with my close friends.
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it's like I said earlier. If anyone thinks what makes you more or less a man is having a lot of hair, they are a lot mixed up. I am sure some women will tell you that they do not prefer the cropped style, that is just a matter of taste. And you seem to have discovered that yourself. What makes you a man is doing the right thing when you can,
being a good Dad, helping your friends and family when they need it, and having integrity. A sense of humor doesn't hurt, but it not mandatory.
as for my line, I never talk about it without letting people know that the caveat to the line is knowing when to say "ahh, I was just kiddin'" Very important...
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Walter B,
Is it true that Ben Affleck was once seriously considered for a co-lead role with you in the fourth Die Hard?
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2 fucks is all the MPAA allows currently. Blood is a little more flexible. I get pretty bloody in this one, as always, and when you do see the guys I fuck up, you'll see blood there too. But we have some never-seen deaths in this one that rival the DH Mythology. We have always prided ourselves on our Deaths....
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No Tim's character has some wierd motivations. None are current administration issues. I would be giving too much away if I shared those, so I will leave it at that.
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BW: We've seen the other icons of '80s action—the ones who by coincidence John McClane refers to in Die Hard—go into a sort of decline. How, do you think, have you managed to remain relevant all these years? IMO, it's your tendency to pick good projects, whether it's Sin City or Hostage or Grindhouse or, going way back, Pulp Fiction. How do you stay on top of this? Do you fear you'll get lazy or complacent and fall into a similar decline? Also, what was it like guesting on Friends?
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And thanks also to Sly for recommending this place to you. I have to say it is great to have this kind of interaction with these Q and A's.
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Well, first you'd have to consider my interest. Doing Ghostbusters may not be the best example. But I am fortunate to still be asked back after 22 years, and I can get a new film going fairly easily if I choose to. And evern though a lot of my recent films haven't performed well at the domestic box-office, the over-seas sales and DVD generally have made most of these films profitable.
Would Cybill have to be in the Moonlighting idea?
kidding, but not really. I feel preety consticted on TV, and you just get way more time and $$ to actually tell a story in Features.
Although TV has come into it's own in the last couple of years.
Also,
here are my top 5 or 6 movies, which I generally watch 3 to 5 times a year.
Dr. Strangelove, Raging Bull, The first 2 Godfathers, Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Spartacus, Bridge on the River Kwai, Bullitt, the Great Escape, On the Waterfront, Resevoir
Dogs, Patton, I really dug 300, the first Alien, Last Picture Show....
that's more than 5 or 6...
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go. But nice chatting, (sort of) with you guys.
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I highly reccommend watching Lawrence of Arabia, followed by Venus. See an actor at the beginning of his career being genius, and at the end of his career being genius.
good nite
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I know your getting a lot of questions, but How did you like working with Richard Donner? I was just curious, he's an old pro, and he's made some terrific movies over the last thirty years.
Another I have is: How did you end up in Planet Terror?
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It's been really fun.
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Even McClane needs his sleep! Thanks for hanging out, WB.
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"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
(part 3, near the end.)
I still haven't heard from Harry on a positive ID for Walter B, but Moriarty says it's not Bruce and that Harry would give him a black box if it was. He didn't give me any more explanation than that, but I guess "Bruce Willis dissing Michael Bay in my talkback" would be near the top of my personal "too good to be true" list, so he must be right.
Which brings me to my next question for Walter B: what kind of a sick sonofabitch would put us through this? First 9-11, then PG-13 Die Hard, and now this. Why won't you let America heal?
Also, what was it like working with Tarantino, and did you know Pulp Fiction was gonna be such a keeper. thanks Walter.
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He said he and Walter B are one. Just like Kevin Costner and William Hurt in Mr. Brooks.
He also told me to fuck off so he could get some sleep. His voice was kinda hoarse, sounded like he was maybe doing a lot of screaming in ADR. Or at AICN. -
It's funny. I could hear Bruce Willis' voice, the one I know from such movies as Die Hard and Die Hard 2, coming through in Walter B.'s writing style. So Walter B., if you truly are a fake, and I don't want to believe you are, you're a good mimic.
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When I read what he wrote to Smalter: "Tell me what ISN'T bullshit in your World", I thought to myself, yeah, that sounds like the Bruce. Heheh.
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You stayed away twice to come only after you are sure I am gone to give sooo many answers a bit undirectly to me. Yes, I think you could chip in yesterday but stayed away on purpose. But there is much much more inmportant issue here.
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Katzemberg info you got from watching you tube. DuCap was fine indeed and quite easy since is you constant residence there.
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sory for the typo.
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you fucko?
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and came up with Armageddon?
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Bruce Willis answers four of your questions and scores from you a capitalised 'Fuck You'. You DO know Willis is good friends with Michael Clarke Duncan, right?
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... Walter B. is not Bruce Willis.
Bruce and Harry are going to talk soon. Harry's got a little trip to take first, but when he's back, we'll get the Bruce Willis conversation started here on the site.
Rest assured that if Bruce Willis wanted to join the Talkbacks, we'd authenticate him and give him a black box so you could be sure who you were talking to.
I'm sorry if any of you feel duped. I didn't realize this was going on.
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I hope nobody believed you or started to think this movie is not a sellout.
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liar?
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of this mega expensive french-usa mega Bruce being missused extravaganza.
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who do you turn this white hot bullshit on when you are not playing detective? Like I would know what fuckin year each of the Cannes Film Festival it is.
And Moriarty, sorry kid, but you I also find amusing.
Hit me with your best test.
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that brought that movie to life. A HUGE dome was build dead center of the bay, om the sea. 300feet in diameter. This dome,(remember the colour?) was build at the cost of 5mil$(today probably15mils$) for a sole purpose to louch 5th element as huge as possible. It was built for Bruce Willis.
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you're right. Anybody could answer the pup questions you thought would stump me. And I am sure you stop while writing and google shit while trying to sound extra-smart. Fuck Me?
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Bruce would not remember that? And remember Armagedon footage!?You are full of shit.
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at this hour?
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us what was the major change that new management of DuCap made as they took over, that was unheard of before?
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I have forgotten more things about the places I have been than the things I remember. That is no test.
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Totally possible - but how do you know it's definitely NOT Bruce Willis? Are you sure he couldn't have registered for the moment just to suss out AICN first? It's an un-A-List actor kinda thing to do, but I think it's possible.
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they no longer only take cash. And after Pulp Fiction won the Palme Dor,
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Ha ha , good one.
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I have no agenda to play detective or look fake hot shot, except as to get trough the lies of promotion of PG13 Die hard.
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would anyone have access to Harry's number? is it something anyone could get, or is it blocked or restricted?
Optimus Prime is currently not available, as he is fight the forces of?? Megatron?
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true, true. Remember any guests from 50th?
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I doubt that even hard proof were relayed to you by Harry, that you would continue hatin'
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That fact that I do not remember being at Cannes for 5th Element fucks that test up
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damn it. bruce willis being rude about that hack bay is far too good to be true.Am all sad now, I was looking forward to pissing away a working day reading this and bitching.
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have faith kid. All will be revealed. I am who I am.
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Bruce would remember 5th element themed Cannes50th. Nevermind. You were quite an adversary and if nothing else, helped this TB stay high and people could read the mega true article that Vern wrote in regards to betrayal of Die Hard. And Harry, as far I am concern, is not to be believed at all.
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I stayed away because I was working on the DH4. But I am glad to see you thought it was about you. I will accept your Fuck You for now, as long as you tell me you will apologize for saying Fuck You in your forum here so publicly if you apologize just as publicly when you are proven wrong. Deal?
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I like your film list. Many of those are on rotation in my house as well. As well as some absolute stinkers that the wife won't turn off. I'm always curious about this, as proper interviewers never ask it- but what do you consider to be the highpoints and the lowpoint in your career?
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would you believe what Moriarty says?
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who can be bothered with that?
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your tests Cannes related? And how would you know what Bruce Willis would remember or not remember?
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Moriarty for your posts. Double thanx for raising the count and creeeeping up on editing room article.
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Sweet. Let's see how this pans out. Because if you're really the Bruce, you'd already have the number since you called him before ... unless someone dialled his number for you and handed you the phone ... which happens a lot in the industry, I know. Either way, I am still enjoying this TB.
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seriously, after last summer- especially some of the reviews that were sooooo far off base to be painful, he is simply not credible. He just loves film too much to be dispassionate. Mind you, if I had managed what he has then I would be the same.
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Low point(s)
Sunset
Striking Distance
high points,
Sixth Sense
Pulp Fiction
12 Monkeys
Mortal Thoughts
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I have serious doubs about truthfulness of bigwigs at AICN. I also don`t think it unthinkable that h`wood players would hang aroung AICN. Its a very tired philosophy that its only some obscure people in mother`s basement.
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anything with Sarah Jessica Parker is usually unwatchable dreck. I had a bet with a colleaugue that you would have put The color of night in there, but maybe you have blanked it out of mind.
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Yes, message left on Harry's phone
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cos' I haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to this stuff. If it seems rude- sorry.
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kids and industry proffesional that come here at least. If not flat out VIP`s to see if their ego is all in order or should it be maintained.
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CON sucked and somewhere, in the cut-out bins of Walmarts, is still sucking. No problem. I am ok talking about the pigs I have done too, and will call them that
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that in case this film turns out to be not PG13 and I have been not flat out lied too, I will ask my best friend to spit in my face and then come here and apologise profoundly.
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Are you from France?
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make me happier as a true to the core new Die Hard film. Can Wiseman pull it of? I don`t think so. Can you do a balls to the wall Die Hars sans Joel Silver? I don`t think so. Can Olyphant hold a candle to Rickman,Irons? I don`t think so.
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the PG-13 rating is a done deal, and really had nothing to do with you saying Fuck You. Only if I were really Bruce Willis. And fuck my ego. I have already said that is not why I came in here. But don't pussy out now 9
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I believe that Bruce might believe that he made a better film that first one.
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you? Well ok, but show me where was that deal made. But I mean sure, i`ll apologise for saying "walter b fuck you" if it comes to that you are indeed Bruce.
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does believe he made a better film than the first one. And I have said so here. And fuck Joel Silver. And it can be said about many actors that they can not hold a candle to Alan Rickman, and Jeremy Irons. But they weren't available
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you never agreed to any deal, except to having your friend spit in your face and then apologizing here, in this Forum
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means nothing as to PG13 Die Hard, you understand that, i hope. If, lets say, Bruce, feels this movie is better `cause it fights terorism in some post 911 vibe, ok, that`s ok. And from what I read about "Bruce`s" opinions, that sure is to be expected. Howewer in movie reality that basically acounts for nothing. Agendas, come and go. Only quality prevails.
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be off. Nice talking with you all, 9 included. I am sure there will be an answer to this tomorrow.
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but didn't both characters die?It would be stupid to have them in this film.I'd like to see Tim Roth in a Die Hard film. I've not seen him in anything for ages, but I think he would be great as a sadist villain with a theiving masterplan.
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I never said in here that the movie is better than the first one because it fights terrorism in some post 911 vibe. I said, and I quote, "it is as good as, if not better than the first movie" , endquote. There were not special reasons, just that it is a bad Motherfuckin movie, that if you are a fan of the first one, as I am, you will be more than satisfied.
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well to that i say fuck it to kingdom come. If you are indeed Bruce and then I insulted you by saying fuck you, and I apologise. Everything else what I said about problems with this film howewer stays. And don`t take this the wrong way, but your opinion of the film will not influence mine. Yes I haven`t seen it. But your mind is busy with overall political message on this one, and mine is busy hoping for survival of great cinema. R action cinema in particular. And its not blodthirst, libs being torn and gore. I don`t watch torture porn or all this new crap beacause its just that crap. There is some fundamental missunderstanding concerning R action films, intentional or not, spinned or not, mindcontrolled or not, going on in this Die Hard talkbackalyptos.
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if it was you, I say thax a lot and all my best to you. Its been great and you are a true star if you came here and laid it out for idiots to come out with flamethrowers. If you`re not, kudos still. You deserve it.
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that was very generous, 9. Just keep an open mind. There is very little 'message' to this Film, and a lot of what the first Die Hard was all about. that was my only point.
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kudos indeed. And Torture porn is rubbish.
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I'm just going to assume you are who you might be, because what the hell, right? What have I got to lose, except maybe a little dignity.Anyway, despite the ever present talkback bile (it's not a talkback without bile), I think I can safely say those of us who've been hooked since the first Die Hard are all hoping for a good sequel. It doesn't even have to be great. Good will be good enough. I know I have my sweaty nerd fingers crossed that I am about to see John McClane back to somewhere near his best, so today - for one day only - I choose to be optimistic and believe that you're giving us the real deal. Maybe believing will make it so. That would be nice. If nothing else, this has been a pretty entertaining TB.Thanks for stopping by, and remember - if you are a faker, you are a world class asshole, which will come back around to bite you. Possibly, Juggfuckler will come after you.
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think nothing of it. goodnite to you.
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so if he is fake he is safe. I still hope he is real thoughI hope that the mighty juggfuckleris sharpening his implements of JUGGFUCKLING to truly take his crown as the avenging TB'er and eviscerate Michael Bay.
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Vern Vs the Chaos DVD is, I think, the greatest talkback of all time. The fight challenges, the DOORWAY TO TRUE EVIL - fucking genius. That is some new kind of art only the internet can give you.
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Pity it got purged. I nearly threw up laughing at that.
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This faker is in no case The Bruce. I can't believe that some of you actually believe that this fartknocker is the real BW. He didn't answer your questions but is just paraphrasing them. He doesn't sound like BW. In fact, he doesn't even sound like an adult, let alone a 52 yr old movie star.Pretending to be The Bruce is lame, embarrassing and infantile. So I'd like to say a hearty FUCK YOU to you, pigfucker.(Want to make sure this TB stays Rated-R)
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He's always understood the value of the underdog hero. I'm not a big fan of the stevensegalian approach to action heroism (sorry, Vern). As soon as I hear a guy's an ex-special forces type who knows eight different kinds of kung fu and can kill you by thinking bad thoughts about you while he's on the toilet, I tune right out. I like the guys with the odds stacked against them, who get the shit beaten out of them but keep going anyway. That was a good thing about 16 Blocks (which people should check out if they want some quality old school action/thriller type shenanigans). That guy looked like he could barely walk 16 blocks, much less escort a motormouth rapper while his copper buddies try to kill him.Anyway, if we get more of that in LFODH, I'll be pretty happy. More battered John McClane, not giving up because he's too damn stubborn to do anything else. That's the Die Hard mythology to me; not how many times he says fuck.
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he is no kid. He might not be Bruce, but he came as fucking close to confirming his ID as I think is possible over annonimity of TB. He does have a big hole in his memory about one huge detail, that surely bothers me(might be explained with all the drugs and partying maybe), but otherwise he is doing very fine. My only worry is that he might be a FOX executive, or somehow conected to Bruce. That would explain the memory hole perfectly while being able to answer other stuff correctly as is quite known stuf round h`wood. In that case Walter B can allways refer to my ALL CAPS post 70 places above.
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and that's because it doesn't have John Mctiernan at the helm. The 2 good die hard movies are directed by him. The 1 shitty die hard movie (Die Harder) is directed by Renny Harlin. The Underworld guy is pretty much another Renny Harlin.
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It pales in comparison to the original, but when you stand it next to Renny Harlin's other films, it looks a lot better. It's not as good as Deep Blue Sea, obviously (if only Die Hard 2 had LL Cool J fighting a shark!), but it's entertaining enough, I think.
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movie. No amount of, "well you know you can have a very gritty PG13, its not just saying fuck 300 times" is going to cover this. I will say this, LFoDH might be enjoyable flick, but it surely is no Die Hard. Because JohnMcClane doesn`t fit into PG13. All the other not enough tallented people in front or behind camera are only extra problem.
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Well you know I wish I could make PG13 movies like Brucheimer. Its way more sure and studios love it, but shit, no matter whatever I make it allways ends up being an R movie." Now go and look him up on imdb. Then look up the suits that produced DH4. I am so fucking tired of deliberate avoidance and just plain ignorance of what is a true R action picture.
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Posting under an alternate screenname. Come on, people, it's obvious... 9 should've been banned a long time ago for spamming the boards anyway.
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My question is this; Who would win in a fight between the Felowship Of The Ring and the staff of Hogwarts?****Bonus*****Indiana Jones Vs. Leatherface?*****Wolverine Vs. Boba-Fett*****John Carter Vs. Conan?
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By the way, if it really is you, what did you throw into the crowd at the opening of Planet Hollywood in Dallas???
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... this was not Bruce Willis. It really shouldn't even be a question, but in case you're still wondering... nope. Not him.
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whatever crapy comicbook TB you crawled from. You can also fuck off with your suggestions. Go away and discuss colors of latex suits somewhere or whatever is your thing. Die Hard sure aint one.
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can you elaborate?
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I don't think they will realize it, now matter how many times you tell them... I tried, but they wouldn't listen. So since I couldn't beat them, I will now join them in denial. "Walter B. IS Bruce Willis!!!! Just look how he has ended his last posts with 'bw'. I mean, that's proof enough for me!"
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Albert Camus book club gathering and feel fresh to discuss R Die Hard more.
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I'm actually Albert Camus. I was born in Mondovi, Algeria (don't ask me about my death - it was faked). Ask me anything you like.
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I was accused of this shit in other TB while defending R Die Hard and, well I just feel hapy about it since it surely will be highlite of my DH4 experience. Can`t really get worked up over it. Too much fun.Now for the question... hmm. Whats your top 5 action movies?(no adventure)
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even if it's not Willis. Plus it got Vern's letter over with some nice heat. Tremendous!
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...these TBs are more fun than a PG-13 Die Hard will ever be. But then again, I've actually found some sick pleasure in watching Alien vs Predator again recently, and the same will probably happen with this one. But for my top 5 action... How about... Aliens, The Matrix, Leon, The Last Boyscout, Predator...
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does it count, should it? It rocks anyway you turn it. I like your list. Actually I don`t like it. Shit man so confusing to be me sometimes. Leon too artsy and too slow for me.
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And still a kick ass movie...
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Camus needs Leon. And I like that movie too, anyway.
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Or am I missing something?
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there and great post, but also not sure about analogy. Maybe just simple outpouring of love. You know, women... or man... or android love.
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teaming up would make a good buddy-action-comedy...
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Camus: Whoops! I lost my gun! Hold him Leon!Leon: Now you tell us the acces code or my buddy Albert here is going to explain your life to you!
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1. A head injury during a Moonlighting marathon caused Walter B to really believe he is Bruce Willis. As far as he knows, he really has seen DIE **** 4 and must defend its honor.
2. A dedicated role player, Walter B has pretended to be a vampire or elf for years, but wanted a chance at playing a more fantastical hero such as Bruce Willis.
3. Possessed by the ghost of Jack Valenti, Walter B now dedicates his life to promoting ratings lower than R, even if that takes impersonating Bruce Willis in a talkback.
4. The Doorway to True Evil was left open a crack, leaking True Evil into my talkbacks. Because they take the form of things that occupy my brain, other apparitions will appear to be Steven Seagal, Blade, boobs, etc.
But seriously though, I understand the fucking with us part. But why so intent on defending a movie he (we assume) hasn't seen? I don't think if it was somebody who actually worked on/for the movie they would have the balls to impersonate John McClane. That would be poor form for a studio lackey or an Underworld director or somebody. So this is kind of a head scratcher. -
Impersonating a police officer or a federal agent is a crime. Just ask DMX. But impersonating Bruce Willis is AN ABOMINATION AGAINST GOD. You'll get yours, Walter B. Payback is a bitch. Not the movie, the movie is pretty good.
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you da man. Excelent. Abomination.I worry it can be more than just fucking with us, too elaborate. Maybe when Die **** 4 proves to be a cop out from diehardverse and internet masses descent upon it, Bruce can claim ignorance of TB, trying to keep career afloat somehow, where as if sheep eat up PG13 Die **** 4, he can claim influence and pull with one of Transformers friends confirming his identity. Looking superb, hell unsinkable. Very evil if that option is true.
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Did Fox change the rating back to R yet? This TB has turned into a loony bin, eh? False identities, posters with OCD, John Titor. Why go for the big time, Walter B? Why not start off slowly and impersonate Argyle. PS: what happened to that actor? Does he still sign autographs you think? Also, Vern. Have you ever met anyone from the original? I don't see how it's not possible if you haven't.
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This is like a TB sleep-over! Back to #1. Congrats everyone. The LIVE FREE or --- rating controversy LIVES!
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Damn yous all to Hell!!
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No DohDoh, I never met anybody from Die Hard if that's what you're asking. I haven't met a whole lot of celebrities. I did shake Steven Seagal's hand that one time but I didn't have a conversation with him or anything.
Too bad, now that my PERSONAL GUARANTEE FROM BRUCE WILLIS has been marked invalid I will have to go back to my plan of not paying to see this unless it's R. I want to be proven wrong, but geez. Still hard to imagine those coldblooded suckers would do this to DIE HARD. This sucks. -
This has got to be one of the funniest talk-backs ever. I hope someone points this out to the real Bruce Willis on one of the questions, maybe I will. I was actually kinda hoping that this Walter B. might be for real, but then again why would a multi-million dollar star bother staying up till 3 a.m. to talk to fans. To reiterate: My hopes for LFoDH being equal to DH1 are around the same as my hopes of winning the lottery, and I don’t play the lottery.
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but 9banned0.5furious if you wasn't already a saint i'd have to canonise you all over again. if walter b. wasn't bruce might it have been cousin walter? the one with the cat chasing gerbil problem? or maybe walt flanagan's dog?
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everyone wants to be bruce nowadays
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No, I am Spartacus.
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I will try to do my share in making this Talk Back the TB of TBs. I talked to Gambi the Seeer and he said that he "sees" this TalkBack being mentioned in Entertainment Weekly's upcoming Live Free or Die ---- feature. Argyle could have had his own series. I looked him up on IMDB. Dude's real name is De'voreaux White and his last role was as a "second tranvestite" in a movie called "Shadow Hours." Dude should have started his own limo company in LA, got fat and worn sunglasses 24-7. Call it Argyle at Your Service. Maybe he could have picked up some of these Fox Execs and dropped them off at a building (they're own building, the irony) full of terrorists demanding a rating change back to R.
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It's me really. Loved the movie, the SuperBowl commercial a few years ago, and Kurt just came out with an autobiography this week.
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Seriously, Fox Execs. I talked to my mom on the phone and she brought up summer movies. I just told her about Live Free of Die ---- being PG-13 and she was like "Doh Doh, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Who makes these movies these days. Why would Bruce Willis do that?" Eventually, I said, "Mom, I don't know the answer to these questions, but the meaning of life is getting this rating changed the fuck back to R." True story.
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is a Christmas movie, but she just doesn't believe me.
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So, I sat my eldest down to a heart-to-heart and spilled the beans: “One, your mother was a hooker when we first met. Two, I’ve never loved you or your mother, so I am leaving both of you. Three, perhaps the most shocking, the ‘new’ Die Hard is only going to be rated PG-13, so you don’t need me there to buy tickets.” He just looked up at me and asked “Why? Why would they do that to such a treasured franchise? I don’t want to live anymore. Whaaaaa!” Maybe that was a little too much for a nine-year old to handle.
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Sorry if I'm late to the game here fellas, but why does this impersonator have black box on AICN? This really confuses the hell out of me, especially with Moriarty visiting the TB to declare it's not Willis. #1 Why would AICN give a non-contrib a black box? #2 Why would AICN give a black box to this kook? #3 What are the qualifications to get a black box? I'm guessing the system admin has to give each person it. In that case, was Walter B just given a black box for this TB? Man, my mind is a bit frazzled by all of this. AICN should be really selective in who they dole those black boxes to. It's what keeps this site credible, Web 2.0 aside.
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wine cooler commercials in the 80s?
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Suddenly AICN is all 'black-ops' about what should be said and what can't and what's worth being pissed about and what's not. And now, we have Moriarty telling us not to listen to Walter B, and now the person has a black box. Somebody's loving the publicity somewhere.
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dude...your TRIPLE caconised now! Only you could stump Walter B. with a question only he could answer... and them have him get it wrong! Of course there is the small matter of apologising... but hey you still did good here... without you Walter B. would have no place to post!!!
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I realized how we can solve this conundrum quite easliy. You all live in a digital world. someone must have a Mac with iChat camera ability. Send me your biggest doubter, who has iChat/video ability, and have them call( i will give that person my iChat address, and they will see me talking to them. I doubt if there is a way to fake that.
let's see....
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People were bitching for pages that it wasn't him (the thread he started was "So, is Chewbacca in Episode 3" or something like that), until finally TPTB confirmed it. Makes a lot of people look stupid. It also reminds me of an article I once read about The Shat going online and no one believing it was him. Good times.
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The only way to get one is for one of the high muckety-mucks that run the site to give it to you. That's why it is significant (you'll notice Moriarty, who is this site's #2 -- well, at least in my mind -- has a black box, as does Vern, the columnist).
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I haven't read a single article on this site for a few days, and I won't until this whole Bruce Willis thing is resolved. Is it Bruce or not? That's all I care about.
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I don't know if I'm willing to live in a world where that is true.
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this is some pretty fucked up shit right here..
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As I don't think Vern actually does any admin-ing.
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ties-in with Justin Long.
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Clay Aiken likes to use iChat cams for lascivious purposes. Maybe he wants to meet some geeks. Haha. Bruce Willis, if this is you, I'm sorry. I have no idea what is going on in this TB. It's like someone just leak some nitrous in here. Somebody, hurry up and get on iChat with this person. I don't have a Mac. Of course, the guy has a Mac people. Is it THE MAC GUY??? WHOA. BREAK THROUGH. WE'RE TALKING TO THE MAC GUY.
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so that they stand out over all us riff-raff..
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This talkback now has more plot twists than the Chaos one. Walter B was a ghost the whole time? I'm confused. Does this mean he passed the test, or that Harry is fucking with us?
Does it mean now I *do* have a PERSONAL GUARANTEE FROM BRUCE WILLIS? Please let me know before June.
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because I was never smart enough/patient enough to learn to use a PC. mea culpa
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when I woke up this morning I noticed there was a black box around my posts. Is tht what you mean by black box?
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I see you were up till 3 something in the am answering posts and said bye like twice but kept posting. Shits hard to quit once you get going huh? Oh yeah and thanks for the reply. Coolest thing ever and if my Dad was still alive he would shit a cold purple twinkie. He had ALL of your movies, even Color of Night. Though that might have been for Jane March. Giggity
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how are you reading these posts? If you can't see your own black box? Some other kind of set-up?
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I see you were up till 3 something in the am answering posts and said bye like twice but kept posting. Shits hard to quit once you get going huh? Oh yeah and thanks for the reply. Coolest thing ever and if my Dad was still alive he would shit a cold purple twinkie. He had ALL of your movies, even Color of Night. Though that might have been for Jane March. Giggity
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Your posts look like black boxes. No figurative language employed here.
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... never mind.
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double post.
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Its hilarious. Though if it IS him, I am saddened to read "I will not work with him again" about Bay. I love Armageddon. it may be the only film i disagree with Vern on. But i highly doubt the real Bruce would say things like 'fuck joel silver' (incidentally, i said the same thing myself after watching that dunghole INVASION). But like i said, either way, its pretty entertaining.
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because I did not realize what you guys meant by " now Walter B has a black box" I really thought it meant I recieved some kind of hardware.
Forgive my ignorance.
And again, excuse my ignorance, but do PC computers not have video chat capabilities?
I was trying to get to bed, and then I got into it with 9....
but thanks RedeyeDistrict as well.
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I'm going to reiterate a prior point: if this was Bruce Willis he WOULD NOT SPELL MCCLANE "MACCLANE." Even if this is a person who worked on DIE HARD and LIVE FREE as Walter B claims he has, I would think that person would know how to spell the character's name. This isn't geek trivia, but it's the way of the world.
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Now then, my worry is that this film will be your everyday CGI heavy action film of the past decade. How much computer generated effects were used in the film?
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That is because you do not understand my relationship with Joel S. We are cordial now when we bump into each other, but we have not worked together since Last Boy Scout.
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On the set, Len started getting into the habit of calling me John Ma-fucking-Clane. I suppose I began spelling it wrong thinking of the a in that nickname. Who knows? So I spelled it wrong a few times. Lock me up and send me to Russia, or some other harsher communist country where they correct spelling
continuously. And I did not ask for a "black box", nor do I need one.
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while there was some CGI used for things we simply could not actually have, like a real Harrier jet, some huge fireball scenes that could not be done in real time, the movie has very little CGI.
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It just seems odd he would actually SAY that. I recall back on his own site, Bruce would never say anything derogative about other celebrities and posters that said such things were often reprimanded by the admins, sometimes by Bruce himself. He always seemed very diplomatic.
As for the spelling, who cares? One of the Vacation movies had "Griswold" spelled with an "a". Spelling is never really important in Hollywood.
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Sure, the critics trashed it. But I thought it was a great film, and I know I'm not alone. You did a sequel for the Whole Nine Yards, why not Hudson Hawk?
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But other than playing John McClane, do you see yourself doing action/tough guy movies anymore? It's clear you don't need to and can get all kinds of interesting roles in many genres. But it's also great to see you playing a badass.
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Gotcha. I don't have a video set-up on my Dell Dimension, but yes, it is possible. I'm not sure what's taking a TalkBacker so long to link up with you on video to prove that once and for all you are Bruce Willis. Let me just state that between reading this TalkBack and seeing the blog "The Shane Black Album" yesterday - http://theshaneblackalbum.blogspot.com/ - that I've got The Last Boy Scout coming to my crib tomorrow and I'm throwing a party. I don't know what in the hell to think of LIVE FREE, but let it be known that I am a huge Bruce Willis fan and he is a true Icon of American Cinema - and there has never been such a shortage of those in cinema, so I am praying that Live Free is as good as Walter B says it is.
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Gotcha. I don't have a video set-up on my Dell Dimension, but yes, it is possible. I'm not sure what's taking a TalkBacker so long to link up with you on video to prove that once and for all you are Bruce Willis. Let me just state that between reading this TalkBack and seeing the blog "The Shane Black Album" yesterday - http://theshaneblackalbum.blogspot.com/ - that I've got The Last Boy Scout coming to my crib tomorrow and I'm throwing a party. I don't know what in the hell to think of LIVE FREE, but let it be known that I am a huge Bruce Willis fan and he is a true Icon of American Cinema - and there has never been such a shortage of those in cinema, so I am praying that Live Free is as good as Walter B says it is.
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I know what the whole late-night talk show thing is all about, usually movie or project promotion, but if you had to pick one late-night show to go on just for shits and giggles, which would you choose? I was always partial to Conan myself.
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... it was DaVinci Code years before there was DaVinci Code...
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Did Mos Def ever showcase his lyrical skills to you when working on 16 blocks? He's one of the better lyricists around trying to keep real Hip Hop alive. And he seems to be a pretty decent actor to boot--did Mos get you into any hip hop stuff?
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Mori/Vern - will one of you please pause the DVD player, get off the fucking couch, and go call Harry? Someone gave Wally B. a black box yet you say he isn't legit. We've all had a lot of fun in this TB but enough is enough! Christ!
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Hey I read once that you (Admins) get a certain monetary amount for each post you get for an article. If this is indeed true, you gotta be pretty freakin satisfied, huh? I don't think I've seen a TB with so much traffic go for so long. If not true then, eh, I'm retarded. But you still got John Ma FUCKIN Clane in your TB so win/win for you huh buddy? gratz
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except for one foray onto the Jay Leno show, where I made the mistake of calling him Dave a couple of times, for years I have been loyal to David Letterman.
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I'm not in the loop on that. I'm just a lone wolf writer in Seattle, I met Harry a couple times but I don't have his phone number. I am taking the black box to mean Moriarty was wrong and this IS the mothafuckin man right here, but I'm on the edge of my seat just like you are. And just like we supposedly will be six times during this PG-13 movie next month.
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Walter B wants to get on iChat with someone to prove that he's who he says he is: Bruce Willis. Somebody get with the person and figure out what's what. Harry's off somewhere, Moriarty doesn't know what's going on, I'm guessing Vern doesn't have a vid-cam on his PC. Walter B says he'll supply his iChat address and you can post the snaps on Flickr for all of us to see. AND YOU MIGHT JUST MAKE GEEK-HISTORY HAVING A ONE-ON-ONE INTERNET VID CHAT WITH BRUCE WILLIS. SOMEBODY GET ON ICHAT WITH HIM NOW.. HHAHAA. COME ON PEOPLE.
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If that's true I would be pissed 'cause I never got a cent for writing here. But yes, I agree with the last part.
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thanks for your comment on HH. Even though I got lambasted in the press for that film, I still stand by it, and btw, bad reviews or not, that movie is in profit now. So much for the critics
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that is what I am talking about. cooler heads may prevail yet.
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http://tinyurl.com/33feyo
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yes, I still actually go to the movies. I am still a fan od seeing movies, especially new ones, on the Big screen. And it's not much of a hassle.
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Yo Walter B, you up for lunch at the Ivy? I can walk there from my house and if you are bw put an end to all this confusion.
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So... people who work for the site don't have Harry's number?
That's one way to do things.
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Except for that Paul Schaffer. Scares me..... Think about it: Takin a shower, rinse off, pull back the curtain and WHAM!! like a punch in the face there's Paul Schaffer handing you a towel. *shudders* Nightmare city man.
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...I'm still dumbfounded at the PG-13 rating. Walter B, did Fox give you a legit reason why? And, (the biggest question all the fanboys want to know) how did you shoot it: as a PG-13 all the way or as an R that could be easily cut down to PG-13.
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which makes this thread all the more amazing
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...although that's almost a given nowadays...
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I don't know what it is about your Talkbacks (i.e. Demon Dave/Juggfuckler) but kudos on being the catalyst for some of the most entertaining reading to ever grace AICN!
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Still waiting on an official "I Stand Corrected" post, dude. :o)
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We love us the Hawk.
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yes on my old site, I refrained from making any derogatory remarks, and if my remarks here should ever appear in print, I will stand by them, but in the heat of the moment, when I was being told that only Joel S. could make a good Die Hard, I had to speak up. I should probably remain more diplomatic, but as this is a Site that primarily deals with Film, I spoke my mind. Joel S. know how I feel about him.
And Perfect Stranger was ruined by the producers. Oddly enough, that film was meant to be a hard R rating, but when all the things that were meant to be in it were cut, EXCEPT for the Fuck's, they got a PG-13 rating. Weird right?
I was disappointed with that film, and I agree with you opinion of it.
Everyone tried hard, worked hard, but it was not to be.
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I dunno about PG-13 die hard though. I know you don't need an R rating to make awesomeness (see 24, esp. seasons 1-3) but I'm still leery about LFoDH... especially with the involvement of Mac Guy.
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I gotta give you props, dude. Many of your acting cronies don't have the guts to address their fanbases. But you stepped up to the plate and battled us and stood your ground. You have my utmost respect, sir. Although I'm still not too crazy about the notion of a PG-13 rated sequel to the one of the greatest hard R action movies of all time!
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I remember being quite puzzled why the film had so little in the way of sex, violence, etc. Especially for a "Erotic thriller".
Also I was just thinking about when I heard another one of your films would be PG-13, and i was very disappointed, thinking there was no way it would be any good.
That film was ARMAGEDDON, which is now one of my all time favorite films.
I don't doubt you that the film will have violence and that the 'line' will remain intact (not anymore anyway) but for me, the R rating is more of a symbol than anything. And also, it means more likely I will have to see the film with 4 teenage girls who think Justin Long is cute and text each other during the movie. That's now my #1 fear. -
I cannot speak for Fox. They wanted a hard core DH4 too.
But we shot it as if we were making an R rated movie, and except for the 'fuck' limitations, it looks and feels very hard R.
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that is, upload it on some free image hosting page (www.imageshack.us works well) and post the address here.
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I just watched it again the other day. It's almost a musical.
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who were you on my old Site?
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He's the real deal. And even tough this is a golden opportunity, I would just like to thank you, Bruce, to coming here to answer question from your fans. Good show, sir!
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or bitterman23. i always use the same names. I remember one time i asked if Steve Kahan was going to be in 16 blocks as he always appeared in Donners films, and you said no. But then the ending was reshot and he was in there. I was quite pleased.
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here have iChat capabilities?
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Aside from being perhaps the first R movie I saw, it was probably also among the first VHS tapes that my dad bought. I had a deaf friend and I remember watching the movie at her house and seeing yippee ki yay in CC and that was pretty funny for a middle schooler. Definitely one of my all-time favorite films.
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That's supposed to read "I Stand Corrected".
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Your response cracked me up. So I guess, in terms of Walter B's identity we'll just have to wait and see what's what. Ultimately however I gotta hand it to you Vern - you've been responsible for two of the greatest talkbacks in recent history: 'The Demon Dave Wrestle War' and now 'This (Title TBD) Talkback'.
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This article was up for a week before I glanced at it, so no, I'm not going to read 948 comments. All three Die Hards and both Under Seige's were enjoyable fare. I hear Anna Nicole Smith actually made one of these, too, where she was a helicopter pilot who lands on the roof oa a building being held hostage. But if you're gonna talk about best action movies and not reference McQueen in Bullitt and Peckinpah's Getaway and the first Dirty Harry and Death Wish films, then you're too young.
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I have iChat capabilities. Why?
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yes, I remember JGrayland.
do you remember the controversy over Pop being elected President?
or the Ask DocBrown threads?
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has a Macbook? How crazy would it be open up your screen and see Bruce's mug all up in your face. That would be hilarious.
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But unfortunately I have to work for a living at an office in a cubical. And to those of you not in the 'know' the firm I work for, and most of corporate America, does not 'cotton' to Mac's loaded with web cams and installed with iChat, we mainly stick with IBM's or Dell's. So c'mon fellow geeks, let's settle this thing! Otherwise Walt, I finish filling out these TPS reports.
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Hey walt, I have Ichat ready to go, lets set it up!
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I was thinking that it might clear up some of the controversy surrounding my identity. I am happy to post my iChat account name if you all think it will help.
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"Otherwise Walt, I'll send a post from my Mac at home once I finish filling out these TPS reports and log off for the evening."
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This could be like that horror film where you text that person up then you get sliced and diced.
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it is a Mac.com as opposed to AIM.
invite docwhite@mac.com, and lets see it that works.
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After chillin in the Heroes talkback and having someone mention that this thread had become interesting, I popped in here and have now been unproductive at work for the past couple of hours.
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Not so much the election stuff. I wasn't much of a poster on the board because i'm a guy and most of the threads seemed to be from female admirers. I remember getting yelled at by them all when i said i didnt like Whole Ten Yards that much. And being sad when you put down Hart's War, because I actually really liked that movie.
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Let it go down that TheDohDoh had the 1,000 post.
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gets on ichat only to face to face with some freaky ass hacker in his undies eating a burger.
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no-one has yet taken Bruce up on his offer is because there is still a chance this aint Bruce. Instead you open up your Macbook only to find some internet super-perve has got his arsehole squished against the screen.
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thanks for doin this- but so far you're just defending DH4 instead of saying much about it. Give us something besides what's on the trailer...
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http://tinyurl.com/2srcwn
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I have a feeling it's going to be some blurry ass cam with a guy who looks like Willis wearing sunglasses.
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the last week in June actually rolls in
to the July 4th weekend, and the movie takes place over the July 4th weekend
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...your at 1001. Is your Username reference to Homer Simpson or Warner Brother's DoDo from Wackyland?
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Someone else do it... I don't want to get goatse'd
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I didn't come in here to defend DH4. Ask me a question( other than the Rating issue, and I will try to answer it.
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do you die at the end? Because these films are called DIE HARD, but you never once die in them. Seems kinda like false advertising.
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It's legit - and work safe.
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did you ever get the itch to just punch Chris Tucker in the face when you were doing Fifth Element?
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or anyone else with iChat capabilities
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lol funny. Was waiting for something like that to pop up
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http://tinyurl.com/2zff82
The likeness is not that great. IMO.
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no we got along great. I used to break his chops by telling him that his work in 5th E would ruin his career. Of course he then went on to
the Rush hour movies, and regardless of your feelings about THAT movie, his career is very much intact.
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Are you a real, true, Nets fan? If so, that's really cool. There aren't a lot of us. Do you think they have a shot againt Cleveland?
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http://tinyurl.com/2zff82
The likeness is not that great. IMO.
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...for those of us who don't have IChat access. Even better, put this on YouTube.
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Is AICN about to shut down over this thread? It's going so slow. Sorry about the double post. Now I look like a dumbass.
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doesn't act like docwhite is online.
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yes, I am a true Nets fan. I went to a game when I was in NYC last week.
I also accidentally burst out with a Yippe ki Yay Motherfucker on network TV. I thought the mic was off by then, or that they had a delay.
They will kick ass when they get back to Jersey
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Nice one BGDAWES. The Classic!
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with Ichat. It says you are offline
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I said it before about, oh 300 posts ago. Walter B diving right in without water wings and without hand-holding. Cool as fuck!
For the other talkbacker who said Die Hard was a Christmas movie, I couldn't agree with you more. It is a tradition in my house for my husband and I to go out for dinner on my b-day (dec.24), come home, open presents and watch Die Hard. It's not only a Christmas movie, it's a love story. It's about lessons in stubborness, perseverence, and forgiveness. Had a bad year? Well, not as bad as McClane! -
Both of you have sequels out this summer!!
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I added docwhite@mac.com to my list but you aren't lit up.
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I am keeping an eye on iChat, but no traffic. invite me to Chat, and I will accept, and end this controversy once and for all.
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In Live Free or Die, how important was it to you and the filmmakers to not make the chief villain a cliche "evil hacker" - as this is one of the most tired, overused and misused villains in modern movies. Also, who do you feel is your second most indelible character after John McClane, and the one you hope or wish you could play again? Also, any talk of you being in Quentin Tarantino's Inglorious Bastards and your thoughts on that project?
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try it now
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I think the Nets can maintain home court too. Now I'm seeing your movie, you just made $9.50, congrats.
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I never recall you saying one way or another. I am looking to go to the Netflix Roadshow event in FL this year. Also wondering if there were other story elements dropped that didn't surface on the director's cut (such as the stuff with Harry's dad).
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all us geeks up in here (who might have Macs) and we can't get B.W. up on Ichat.Motherfucker!
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i posted a good question above as you asked for specifics. Waiting...
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I apologize if this has been asked. I thought the guys were joking. What other projects are you working on or see in your future?BTW You make bald look gorgeous!
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Working on it... apparently my privacy settings aren't allowing it... fixing that now.
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Mac guy is in LFoDH, and the way you can commune with Walter B is through use of a Mac, right?
THE OTHERS ARE COMING. RUN. HIDE. OR DIE.
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it is running really slowly right now.
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I was gonna post but then I realized it would slow down even more.
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I tried launching a chat but I swear the thing hates me. Core 2 Duo my ass. If jasonviera posts something, good deal... if not, it'll take me another 15 minutes or so.
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why do you think it did so poorly in theaters?
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as a best guess- how many bad guys do you off hard in DH4? and since we don't mind spoilers- tell us the stunt you're most impressed by in the movie. skip the context and it won't be spoiled.
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hey krack- yes it would seem that the Siege somehow looked into the not so far away Future with that one. I rellay liked the tension
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Bruce Willis = FUCKIN AWESOME!!
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That's all, just "hey."
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Mr. Willis,
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will have his friend spit in his face... and come here and apologise...the question is how is Drew gonna take this...
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This just hot Talback Hall O Fame. I have a Mac but no video chat. Man that's friggen cool.
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This just hit Talkback Hall O Fame. I have a Mac but no video chat. Man that's friggen cool.
This TB will implode now. -
This just hit Talback Hall O Fame. I have a Mac but no video chat. Man that's friggen cool.
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Man, that's the most META MOMENT OF MY ENTIRE LIFE. Thanks Bruce.
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So has it been resolved? Yes, I, too am curious as to what 9banned will have to say.
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cuz I know its gonna get ridiculously crowded in here and everyone deserves to experience this. Bruce, man, THANK YOU so much for taking time out of your day, staying up till ass o clock at night, putting up with nitwit haters, and just making this the coolest thing ever. You didn't have to jump in the shark tank like this and yet you did. You are the first star who I have ever seen care enough to put up with all the shit we've put you through. Good luck man, wish you nothing but the best.
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EVERYBODY. IT'S HIM. LET THE FUN BEGIN. HAHAA.!!! FUCK WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE RATING. I'M GOING TO SEE LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD EVEN IF IT'S RATED G. I'm stunned. If Bruce will come on here and play it cool, and say it's as good as the original (and tell Joel Silver to suck it), then I'm there. Fuck you Hans and Ellis. The geeks have won. Hahaha.
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the identity issue has been resolved,
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this Thread has gone over 1000 posts,
perhaps a new thread could be opened
that would move faster. I am not sure of the protocol here
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I have verified that the background visible in those iChat stills is indeed HIS MOTHER's BASEMENT.
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Bruce has crowned AICN king againMotherfuck all them other sites...this is it. Right here right now with John MaFUCKINClane in the house.
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Bruno - welcome! Well, in the typical hard ass Bruce Willis style we're all accostomed to you definitely proved yourself to be legit; us naysayers look like a bunch of asshats right now. So I tip my hat off to you Walter B., my 'ass-hat' as it were. For what it's worth I'll be buying a ticket for DH4 and will enter the teenage-filled theatre 'cautiously optimistic' as a result of this TB. Lastly, Mori we love ya but you've been outstanding in this TB - to quote one of your posts, "... this was not Bruce Willis. It really shouldn't even be a question, but in case you're still wondering... nope. Not him."
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answer my Qs (posted above)!!!
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Thanks for making this thread absolutely legendary. I think I might have to retract my earlier "NO WAY WILL I PAY MONEY FOR this as PG-13" statements... I have faith that if you think it's this good, I will see it.
Now about Grindhouse, that was probably the most enjoyable movie experience I have had all year. Definitely the best movie I've seen recently, along with Hot Fuzz. Sucks that it didn't do great box office, but it will definitely go in my DVD collection (hopefully with all kinds of extras).
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Mori being made to look a fool, FDM being relevant again (sort of), an entire talkback with Bruce with almost none of the dumb AICN injokes, IChat getting free press, and a PG-13 Die Hard film being suddenly sort of OK. Bless.
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Actually I typed, 'Mouth t carry over. What in the Sam L. Jackson is going on here?
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This is already better than Stallone's 20 days of questions by leaps and bounds.
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I said it in the last trailer.
"or kill ALL of them"
and I do.
My fave stunts? there is a great one where a guy punches through the window of my car, locks his arm around my neck, and I floor it, and scrape his ass off on a dumpster. Hard core death...
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...if we all go see LFoDH now and it turns out that our suspicions about it being flaccid were correct all along, will Walter B come back (with a Fox rep this time!) and listen to our opinions?
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Thanks Bruce for showing up.
Love your work and sense of humour. Like that time on Letterman with the orange suit and you were like "we all have sex tapes. everybody's got 'em."
So a real question: What is your take on Shaky-Cammed action scenes? And do you think smaller guys (Tom Cruise, Matt Damon) make action flix less believable?
Thanks again just for showing up?
OH! I forgot, do you find TalkBacks a bit addictive?
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for keeping this thread alive and giving shit to the powers that be for trying to cut the balls off the best ever (American) action movie franchise.
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I have also received confirmation from the Texas office. That's two sources and that means that's BRUCE MOTHERFUCKIN WILLIS!
So although 9ban BETTER fuckin apologize, I would also like to thank him for his tireless, possibly mentally ill efforts to keep this talkback alive. He was the only one who believed in this talkback, and he was right. He saw the potential. He deserves credit for that.
And man, thank you Walter B, this is not something I ever imagined could happen. For this I will not only see LIVE FREE, I will forgive you for ARMAGEDDON. -
Live Free or Die Hard will not suck! From the mouth of John MaFuckingClaine himself!
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here's to hoping it doesn't limp hard on June 27th
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Bruce you are the fuckin' man. seriously. How does Timothy Olyphant's character (whos great in Deadwood) rank compared to Rickman's Hans Gruber in terms of Villain bad-assery?
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Well since we all know you're legit and we're all completely eating our words I am now actually able to see a silver lining to the PG-13 rating I didn't see before; my girlfriend hates super violent movies and would never see a new Die Hard. Now, I can tell her 'DH4 is PG-13 how bad could it be?' to get her to go, and maybe there'll be a happy ending on and off the screen. Either that or she'll be pissed because it's just as rough as DH 1, 2, and 3 but at least I get to see the movie. Either way I come out ahead! Thanks again for the TB's Bruce! And again Mori, man I love this quote, "... this was not Bruce Willis. It really shouldn't even be a question, but in case you're still wondering... nope. Not him."
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How does the villain in Live Free or Die Hard compare to the others? Would you say he's more ambitious? And, most importantly, is he believable? Hackers are portrayed in a very unrealistic way in most movies. Was this a concern early on? Also, what is your feeling on the internet and the role it's playing here? This is clearly transcending the barriers between actors and their fans on a global scale. Thanks!
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debating Armageddon.
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Holy shit, I have some reading to do. Thanks for making the effort, Mr. Willis - and in reference to last evening I DO mean EFFORT. Great to see you can take it.
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I have been posting here since Sunday, trying not to get my hopes up, and then Mori - who I loved and trusted - *cries*. Anyway, Thank you Walter B! I'm going to take off too and let others get a chance and hopefully the admins open another thread soon. You help make my Christmas wonderful!! Stay strong...ü
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what is you're favourite line from Live free or Die Hard/DIE HARD 4.O?
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Bruce doesn't get enough credit. The scene in Pulp Fiction where butch picks up a hammer, puts it down. Picks up a bat, puts it down. Picks up a chainsaw and is like "oh Yea"...oh wait look a mother fucking samuria sword?? "FUCK YES" Just watch the expressions on ruces face. That scene is a perfect example of story-telling with no dialogue. Until Marcellus Wallace says "I'm pretty fuckin' far from ok."
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I loved working with all the guys, the actor I mean. It was a great crew, but a screaming Director does not make for a pleasant set experience. But look, we were all big boys, and we got thru it. A little to MTV-camera cutty for my taste, but the shots of meteors crashing into the WTC was pretty prescient. Billy Bob was under-used
for my taste. the spacesuits continually malfunctioned, and one nite, Ben Affleck was seen bashing the front glass on his helmet with a rock because he couldn't breathe.
I am a fan and a friend of Liv Tyler, and thought she brought some fun to the movie.
And it made a shitload of money for Disney.
Jerry Bruckheimer is a great producer, and I would work with him again anytime.
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Hey Vern et al. It is Mr. Willis himself, I talked with him for a few minutes on iChat. I will never say a bad thing about Macs again. If you want a signed affidavit, maybe I'll upload one. God bless the internet and God bless Bruce Willis.
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If you can talk to harry why cant you talk to me on phone? Im a bigger fan of die hard then he is.
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I won't be able to sleep until I know the answer.
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If you can talk to harry why cant you talk to me on phone? Im a bigger fan of die hard then he is.
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what's the most awesome line from the new film?!
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I will refrain from any comments about Alisha K., other than to say she turned her nite with me into a great press op for herself.
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May 09, 2007 5:48:29 PM CDT
RE:If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?
by redeyedistrict
Duh, a Spruce! Spruce Bruce! yeesh that was corny even for me... sorry guys
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Or what movie did you make that you wish you had passed on?
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but make sure you keep it, otherwise every time you post you'll have to go through the whole 'proving yourself to be you' routine. In addition, many times a user can be 'spoofed' (for example, someone creates a logon name "Walter B."), so the black box of authenticity ensures your identity is not stolen.
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Much better than Billy Bob saying it was the worst movie he's ever done.
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I liked Rose.
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my favorite line so far is- "I'm gonna go get my daughter back, and kill this Motherfucker. Or kill this Motherfucker and get my daughter back. Or kill em ALL" But I think that version of the line will have to wait for the Directors cut.
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It was a total rip off of Die Hard. You should be gettting some royalties from those guys soon?
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then I gotta bounce.
hey White Goodman. The only 2 passes I regret are not doing Ghost, and passing on the part of Moose in The English Patient. I passed on Ghost thinking, a Romance with a Dead guy?
And I was talked out of working with Anthony Minghella by my then agent.
I also wanted to play the Andy Garcia part in Ocean's 11, but thought I would wait for a film with G. Clooney where it was just him and me.
I missed out on some fun with those guys, who know how to paly hard....
ok, thanks everybody, for your time.
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Do you know Kurt Russel and does he laugh all the time?
by white goodman
He seems like a nice guy
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Hi, Bruce. First of all let me say that I’m a big fan of you and your work and I really appreciate that you took the time to stop by and talk with us. You’re the man! And since it has been confirmed that it is really you and I have the opportunity, I would like to ask you following questions:
1. I’m also a huge fan of M. Night Shyamalan, so I would like to know what was it like to work with him and if you would be open to cooperate with him again on some movie in the future? Also, what is he like as a person? Is there any truth on the claims that he is arrogant and self-absorbed?
2. What is the runtime of LfoDH? Is it more than 2 hours?
3. Why is it called LFoDH in USA and DH 4.0 in the rest of the world? Is it because of the patriotic vibe that LFoDH strikes or because of the whole New Hampshire state motto reference, that most of the people outside US wouldn’t get?
4. How was it to play a villain in The Jackal? Did you enjoy it? And would you be interested in playing a similar type of role again? Perhaps even as some famous comic book villain in one of those countless movie adaptations that are produced every year?
5. Is there any chance of seeing you in Sin City sequels?
6. From the movies you starred in, do you have any favourite that you like more than the rest? And if so, which one is it?
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Good man.
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AND HE SAID SOMETHING BACK TO ME!
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I still use that today
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PROOF POSITIVE that the suits at Fox need to be shot for their dumbass decision. It's dialogue like that which defines "Die Hard"...and it's the blatant exclusion of that dialogue that has us up in arms, Walter!
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Spruce Bruce does sound good though.
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It's nice to have you here Walter B.
Anyway, PG-13 or not, this movie will rock our world. That's for sure. I think Len Wiseman is a brilliant young director and you, well... there is nothing to say... except "SUPERB".
I wish you to make at least 200m$ at BOX OFFICE with new Die Hard 4.0. and hopefully in coming years to make another one!!!
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You guys really need to leave that line in the flick! Maybe Fox can grease the MPAA's palms and allow a three "fuck" rule just to keep that line in the movie along with Yippie Kayee you know what...
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I'm with you there. Now its like our little secret's out and its gonna be hell on the servers. Still you realize he spent all afternoon talking on the net when you know he's probably got more productive things to do. That's pretty sweet itself.
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Could you get me a job? I would love to work on your staff or something, and I'm a smart and qualified guy. If interested, my email is dead_lit@yahoo.com.
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watching Lost. fuck Lost. Bruce Willis and I waxed nostalgic about his old website.
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Mr. Willis, so nice to meet you! Well, not personally, but you get the idea. Too bad I don't have a Mac or a webcam.
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I was a little late with the ichat thing. by the time i got to you it had already be resolved.
question How was it like working with Richard Donner?
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Just like to say you deserve max respect for coming here and being open and honest with us.
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... first, let me say I'm sorry to have doubted you. But until you were able to confirm with Harry (something that you obviously did, hence the black box now appearing on your posts), I was reluctant to let anyone posing as you do anything in your name at this site. When I spoke to Harry last night, he told me that as far as he knew, you weren't doing anything with the site till he got back from his trip.
So... yes. I have been "pwned," as the kids say. And Walter B. is the real deal. I rescind all earlier statements and am prepared to eat whatever crow required.
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MCVII what have you is Bruce?
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Well, your comments regarding your favorite line doesn't make the PG-13 version sound too good to me. If I imagine how the dialogue in Die Hard 3 would sound without you or Samuel Jackson throwing F-bombs all the way. Ah well, I need to get used to that, don't I?
Now for the real question: There's only one way to get me to watch the PG-13 version in theaters and not just the director's cut on DVD:
Michael Kamen's original themes. Is Marco Beltrami using them? Or is he creating his own soundtrack? Because THIS is really an issue! Especially for a sequel that comes out ten years after the last movie, there needs to be ONE thing that holds everything together: the MUSIC. The cinematography, the action, the editing will be different (or brought to the 21th century), but the music would help to make it REALLY feel as a Die Hard movie.
But since Marco Beltrami chose to not use the original themes of the Terminator during Terminator 3, because he wanted to use his own motifs, I'm really afraid he does the same in Live Free or Die Hard. It would be so great if you could give me an answer on that. I really love Michael Kamen's music, and it's truly sad he died so young. I don't know if he liked to score the Die Hard movies or not, but it would really feel bad if his themes and motifs are ignored in this movie. Well, yeah, you get what I mean... -
We should have asked him if he really is on myspace. Poser's suck
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LOL @ Moriarty. LOL @ 9Banned. Honest to god, this thread has just been fantastic. I was laughing my ass off describing this whole thing to my girlfriend. Best TB ever? Hell yes. I'm so glad Sly recommended this place.
And it makes sense for Mr. Willis to make this effort seeing as the internet or technology is playing a major part in 4.0.
Bruce - how close did Ben Affleck come to being in DIE HARD 4?
And will there be an R version when DH4 hits DVD?
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GREATEST TALKBACK EVER!!!
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an Unbreakable2 after this Die hard sequel cleans up.
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I know you were born in West Germany in the 50's...did you imagine all of the German's you bumped off in DH were East Germans to make it all the more real and go all method?"that guy looks like a guy I saw over the wall beating up an old lady. I'm sure gonna love shooting his crotch through a table!"
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I'm as rightfully religious as they come and I'm pretty fucking pissed off at this movie being PG-13! I swear... you anti-religion nuts are as fucking wacky as they come... Are you so uncomfortable with it that you need seek out every stupid chance you get to bash it? Sure atheism is the absense of 'religion,' but it clearly doesn't indicate the presence of a brain either...
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Welcome to Ain't It Cool talkback, Walter Bruce Willis!! You were in Moonlighting. Die Hard. Pulp Fiction. Four Rooms. The Sixth Sense. Unbreakable. Sin City. And Grindhouse.
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since it was an origin story, are you at all interested in continuing the aquaphobic adventures of the hero? i can't wait for Die Hard 4 by the way. PG-13 has ruined many movies, but i apreciate your word that it will kick fucking ass.
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Damn, it seems my question will get lost until Bruce Willis returns.
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Damn, it seems my question will get lost under all the other new messages until Bruce Willis returns.
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It's a shame that AICN couldn't give Bruce his own talk back on the site after it was confirmed that it was him. To most visitors, they had no clue he was here, b/c this talk back was only seen inside a talk back --- which is cool --- but when THE MAN asks for a new talk back, he shouldn't have to wait around in this age of cell phones, vid-cams, email, Blackberries, gchat, AIM, telepathy, regular telephones, AICN interns, and Harry's love of film. Look forward to Willis visiting AICN again soon, but for those of us who were there when this was going down, nothing will top that.
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It's a shame that AICN couldn't give Bruce his own talk back on the site after it was confirmed that it was him. To most visitors, they had no clue he was here, b/c this talk back was only seen inside a talk back --- which is cool --- but when THE MAN asks for a new talk back, he shouldn't have to wait around in this age of cell phones, vid-cams, email, Blackberries, gchat, AIM, telepathy, regular telephones, AICN interns, and Harry's love of film. Look forward to Willis visiting AICN again soon, but for those of us who were there when this was going down, nothing will top that.
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Well first of all i want to thank Bruce Willis for doing this and say that you are one of my all time favorite actors of all time. And then the questions. 1. Tell us something about your stint as a bodyguard, what was that like?. 2. Do you still play music? 3. Have you ever been in Finland?
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Hey Bruce,
Heres hoping you see this message..
It is good to see you back on the internet. I was a regular over at BW.com and sure miss those days. I was there when the clan were creating havoc, Moonie, Toastie et all, Also when you got St john up on stage in vegas!
I know you're here to talk DH4, so if you don't mind, I have a question. I collect props from the Die Hard series exclusively, and wanted to ask if you know if Fox will be holding an official auction for Props and Wardrobe this time round?
I have your wallet from the first film, and a few other neat pieces, But i still need me a Fuckin' McClane outfit, and i know you had a fair few created on this one :o)
Any info would be much appreciated.
Please check out www.diehardprops.com if you get chance. I can be contacted through the website if need be.
Can't wait for DH4, wasn't sure about the PG13 thing at first, But i trust your judgement.
Thanks,
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... over to the new talkback.
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This is the greatest talkback ever. Hey Vern I told Harry to put you in charge of this question thingy BUT THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER! Walter B, you rule, man and I so respect you for this.
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This is the greatest talkback ever. Hey Vern I told Harry to put you in charge of this question thingy BUT THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER! Walter B, you rule, man and I so respect you for this.
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Nice to have been apart of this historic TB. Something told me it was Bruce, even though I am a natural cynic, so glad to see it was the man himself, glad to see him having fun here. Pity it is going site wide and will end up a million screaming questions and no way of keeping it organized... Still once again Vern proves his TBs are the best TBs. I still don't think this tops the CHAOS one, just because of the insane surreal nature of all the twists and turns in that (I especially liked it when the director and the producer turned on each other). Still this is probably my second favorite TB, aespecially the Benny Hill hilarity of nobody being able to actually get the video chat working...
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if you stumble on here and don't realize, Harry created a whole new TB for you which already has 999999 insane posts... Good luck buddy, terrorists are much easier to deal with than the great unwashed talkbackers... The new talkback is here http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32598 - tinyurl says I can't tiny it as it is a spam site... Ho ho ho...
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but you mentioned that you still like to go see movies in theaters. are there any recent films that you have seen where you thought, "hey, i could have done that"? also, are there any directors out there that you haven't worked with yet that you would love a chance to pair up with?
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First of all, thank you for answering questions for us. This has, so far, been a wonderful read. I know we are supposed to be talking about DH4 but I wanted to talk about Sin City, if you don't mind. What was it like to work with Robert Rodriguez and are you going to be in any way involved with Sin City 2... flashbacks, etc..? Thanks again.
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In case you come back to this TB your sheep/product misspoke your fromise to receive face spittle was only if DH4 were rated not pg13 but R. As for apology before you left you told apologised in advance if it were indeed him...which had yet to be proven when you spoke... for the fuck you. So you have no need of further apology. But I wish to congratulate you again for making this happen... you kept this TB alive long enough for Bruce to get here. Also I have a question you are obviously Euro? Was Bruce right? Are you French?
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NUFF SAID.
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First Demon Dave, now Bruce Allmighty.Tears in rain, man.
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I gotta ask, why the shaved head for this one? Don't get me wrong, I've always thought you rocked the bald head as hard as any white man possibly can, but the whole receding hairline/widow's peak thing just seems so integral to McLaine's character...and I'm not just saying that 'cuz that's been your look for the first three films, but more because, i guess (forgive me here, i'm fixing to get WAY too philosophical), McLaine's hairline helps personify John's own worn-out, middle-aged, half-drunk, ragged appearance and personality. The shaved head makes it look like McLaine's cleaned up and gone straight(er). Hell, you had the hairline in 16 blocks...I'm not bitching, per se, I'm just wondering what made you decide to go with the shaved head, especially since it breaks visual continuity with the McLaine of the first three films (or is that the point altogether?) At any rate, hit me back dawg!
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I apologize for mispelling McLane all those times in my previous post.
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...since Walter B has finally showed up in the other TB... I keep hearing about this other legendary TB of Vern's that was purged. Something about Chaos and Evil and Juggfuckler/ing? Did anybody get a copy of this before it was deleted? Or is there anyone who remembers enough of it to fill me in?
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that fucking link so I can see you?
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thats some nasty inuendo there. I have been acused of being you but this one is also not cool.
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and had gotten his ID on Bruce without Tranformers MySpace best friends of fucking Mac product placement.Spiting in my face and pologizing is related to actual Live Free ir Die a liar experience and it obviously won`t happen if anyone would chill out being starstruck and see that the film is still being kept secret. This is only to somehow let the PG13 blow over and get people get used to it. Fuck this shit. I mean 200 fucking posts of, Oh is it Buruce, no is not, yes I am, check my Icam shit, no i can`t, oh here`s another adress, i can`t get it. Fuck that shit.
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that was the deal, yes? I think I already did before, when u confirmed my suspicions, but this is a full on proper one.Offcourse, like before, this means nothing in regard to upcomming PG13 Die **** 4. My doubts are still strong if not even worse from this experience. Trully frustrated I am.
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Here is what is left of the TB, a whole bunch was lost... http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=24309
I could never do the full thing justice, but essentially Vern bashed a straight to dvd horror flick called Chaos, which was a blatant rip-off of last house on the left. The director of Chaos, the amazingly retarded Demon Dave showed up to defend it, saying he had never even seen last house on the left, but it was actually inspired by the swedish flick Virgin Spring, which coincidentally was the inspiration of last house...
Anyway, offended by Vern (who also belittled the dvd extra when the director, shirtless, cuts a wrestling style promo while in the LA morgue) he offered to fight Vern. Vern ignored the fight part and ripped apart his pathetic tissue of lies about not having seen last house.
Then TBer Juggfuckler decides to uphold the honor of Vern and geeks everywhere, and accepts Demon Dave's challenge to a fight, and lo and behold Demon Dave back down...
Anyway at this point the producer showed up and tried to impress everyone by name dropping big tittied myspace whores, which failed. Then Demon Dave and the producer started blaming each other for it being a rip off of Last House... That was my favorite part, Demon Dave argument was pretty much that he was stupid, and the producer went to college, so it was his fault it accidentally ended up a rip off.
Then Demon started pitching us his new idea for a movie that came from a guy who worked in the morgue he cut his promo in (you can't make this shit up) about a drug that really opens a portal to an evil dimension, or as it was forever referred to The DOORWAY To TRUE EVIL... Demon Dave would even start talking about how he had opened the doorway and he had been to the other side...
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I think my other post about this got swallowed by the brucesplosion, but I just want to thank 9 banned and everybody for this talkback (voted Top 2 of All Time by Alonzo Moseley). Now there's the other talkback at #1 with a bloodless PG-13 bullet so this baby will be riding off into the sunset, like a cowboy in a movie that John McClane would reference.
We had it good though, those couple nights going back and forth on whether it was really Bruce, but still having him to ourselves. Honestly, I thought it was him on the very first post before he even said he was John MafuckingClane, but it got dicey there. I had actually given up when Moriarty said it wasn't him and I started feeling like a sucker. But dreams do come true, America.
I think now that we've seen what's possible, we should institute a policy of summoning any actor or director necessary when there is heated discussion. I know celebrities aren't Candyman, you can't summon them just by calling their names, but maybe I could recreate the fury of my DIE HARD essay when the time is right, and the message will get out there. Unless it's Michael Jackson or somebody they're not gonna be bigger than Bruce, so talkbacks should not be beneath them. If we want to interrogate Ving Rhames about the DAY OF THE DEAD remake, for example, we just ask for him and he shows up and tells us stories about PEOPLE UNDER THE STAIRS and we all become buddies and decide to see DAY OF THE DEAD to support our pal. I believe this is the future of The Ain't It Cool News.
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And to finish off the Demon Dave TB reminiscing, the director also referred to himself in both the first and third person as Demon Dave, and would bizarrely sometimes end his rants with weird real life boring details, so you got stuff like - And ever since Demon was a little Demon he fought in the streets, but now I have experienced The DOORWAY to TRUE EVIL I can never go back ,because I understand the TRUE EVIL Demon Dave may have unleashed upon the world... But anyway, Now Demon has to go buy some stamps... -
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hey walter b why wasn't die hard with a vengeance just tittled die hard 3?
when i met u back in 1994 at the chicago planet hollywood all i said to ya was "yippy kia yay die hard 3"
i also wanted to add how much i loved hudson hawk. its a great film that i still laugh my ass off too.
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hey walter b
if there was a sequal to
Hudson Hawk what would you want it to be about? question #2 for you.
why wasn't die hard with a vengeance just tittled die hard 3? when i met u back in 1994 at the chicago planet hollywood all i said to ya was "yippy kia yay die hard 3" i also wanted to add how much i loved hudson hawk. its a great film that i still laugh my ass off too. cheers and beers, kooky little elephant on beer
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May 10, 2007 3:22:58 AM CDT
yippy kia yay line in die hard 3 trailer./in country
by kooky little elephant on beer
hey again walter b,
in die hard with a vengeance why did mcclane say his awesome line after he killed simon in the chopter, he also says it on the deleted scene in the film after he kills simon in the bar,yet in the trailer mcclane says it while driving in the truck in the sewer. why did the director change it? i've all ways been curious to know the answer. also your performance in In Country was great. one of your best.
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Thanks for the CHAOS memories. I didn't realize that talkback had been lost. Hopefully Demon Dave has it all inscribed in blood on a scroll somewhere, or maybe carved into the back of one of those cadavers of True Evil. Didn't he actually say "now the Demon has to go to bed"? I seem to remember he got alot of shit for that one.
My favorite mental image though was not The Demon going nighty night, it was when somebody described him sitting at an iMac typing it all with two fingers. Picturing that dude with those armbands and satan contacts and shit, hunched over a computer doing the old hunt and peck with two fingers... that makes me laugh. -
for pure gold that is your article that made this happen. I hope that everyone who posted in this TB has read it as well as some who choose not to comment.Maybe you have been converted to pay for PG13 Die Hard, maybe not. I wasn`t. Your price has now gone trough the roof, for all that this TB put on your shoulders, so wheather you collect or not, I salute you and wish you all the best in life. I will be at reunion.
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you cute as you`re sharp?He mostly comes out at night. Mostly.The best line must be, Asskissing 101, with a pinch of spin, by Moriarty: "I was reluctant to let anyone posing as you do anything in your name at this site." Priceless.
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Check it out if you get chance, Not just Beedub, But all of you :o)
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to use iChat? Id quite like to talk to Walter B and see the proof for myself but I dont have a Mac.
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slimy salesman.
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Heres a question, if Fox wanted "a hard R" as Bruce Willis said, and if both Bruce *and* Len Wiseman wanted a hard R, who decided it was going to be a PG-13?
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I haven't been converted, but I do feel like I kind of have an out. If I am too curious and can't stay away, I have the excuse that I got a PERSONAL GUARANTEE from Bruce Willis. I mean, he actually named me, specifically said that I would like it. You don't get to use that excuse too many times.
Of course, I hope he's right. But I'm still pissed that they would do this. The poster should say "DIE HARD WILL BLOW YOU THROUGH THE BACK OF THE THEATER! This one might blow you through the back of the couch when you get the unrated DVD in six months. This version, well, Bruce Willis says it's good other than not being able to say fuck more than twice."
I wonder if the DVD will be called "Unrated FUCK FUCK FUCK Edition." Or hopefully "The Talkbacker Cut."
For me it might not be an issue. If I get an opportunity to see an early screening it is probaly my duty to go see it and write a review. We'll see what happens.
Maybe if everybody's disappointed (not just us) they will decide to come back and do another one for adults like they did when everybody was pissed they killed Ripley in ALIEN 3.
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Which is the reason I refused to see Half Past Dead. I couldn't really care less how many times Seagal says 'fuck.' A pg-13 meant a softening of bone-snapping Seagal action. And that, is unacceptable.
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Walter,
Thanks for coming on here and talking to us. Too often I think that fans get the feeling (justified or not) that movie stars all sit around on crystal couches in their golden palaces drinking $1000 bottles of vodka musing on what best to do with their fortunes. We tend to forget that you guys are like us (except, perhaps, that fortune has smiled somewhat more generously on you than us), that you experience the same joy and heartbreak we do. There is a certain amount of envy that seeps into our attitudes, which is easily detected on a close reading of various TBs on this site. I think this has to do with the fact that we are so intimately connected to you through your art, but so isolated from you by the gulf between the magazine pages or movie screen and our real lives. So, again, thanks for taking the time out, man.
As for the PG-13 rating, which you no doubt are tired of addressing, who freakin’ cares? Does it have a good script? Is there a villainous bad guy worthy of contempt? Are the action scenes well choreographed (without looking staged)? This is the shit that matters. An R rating doesn’t make the movie. A great script with solid acting does. Forget these guys who are obsessing over this issue. If they taint their experience of the movie because of assumptions and pre-judgments, then they are a lost cause.
I have a few questions. Answer all, or some, or none. Your discretion.
Do you have any ensemble projects coming up? Your work as a lead man is solid, even in roles that weren’t up to the standards of your ability. I have noticed, however, that many lead actors who are great as leads somehow really shine in the company of other great actors in an “equal billing” scenerio. An example of that from your own career was PULP FICTION, in which you were fantastic. More recent examples are MAGNOLIA (screw all you who don’t like that movie—it’s an American Masterpiece; I mean really, who would have thought that Tom Cruise wasn’t just another pretty face?), and BABEL.
What’s your take on smaller, independent films? I haven’t seen you in many of those. Since your talents are considerable, doing a small film in which you’re able to stretch would be great. I like Hollywood movies as much as the next guy, but they tend towards homogeneity rather than originality. Given the growing popularity of smaller films with big leads (Ed Norton in DOWN IN THE VALLEY; Robert Downey Jr. in A GUIDE TO RECOGNIZING YOUR SAINTS; etc.), I would think this is a good area for you to explore (excuse my presumption).
Very glad to hear that many of the stunts in DH4 are the real deal. It’s amazing how much better a movie like RONIN is than GONE IN SIXTY SECONDS for this very reason (oh, and a superior script is also key). Did you do a lot of the stunts yourself? It’s always nice to recognize the face of an actor actually doing the physically challenging stuff. I sometimes grow weary of the strategically placed cameral angle intended to obscure the features of the stunt guy’s face.
Are you considering getting behind the camera yourself, or are you content to stay in front?
Finally, as has been mentioned somewhere on this site, I would just love to see you sink your teeth into a nasty motherfucker of an antagonist. Do you, as a rule, avoid that sort of role, or, again, is it just a matter of the right script landing on your lap?
I guess that’s it. Again, it’s cool that you’re getting online and talking to us. Thanks for cutting through the bullshit and being straight with us. We don’t get enough of that, from our politicians or our celebrities. -
Walter B... How about playing another McClane/Hartigan role and make a Mike Hammer movie??
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Master Willis,
Commiserations on Grindhouse. Perfect Stranger is a cinematic crime. Filmmaking by misadventure I'm afraid. Shockin' bad stuff. Well policed by the public at the Box Office. Looking forward to Die Hard 4 as it will be called here in Europe. Box office gold I think.
On the rating issue may it say it certainly hasn't effected The Bourne series thus far. All 3 are PG-13. Never effecting the series integrity.
Regardless on commending you on your contribution to cinema may I say how much respect I have for you and people like Charlie Sheen for speaking out. More power to you on your use of celebrity.
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I know you've seen it & I believe you when you say its as good as the first. I've no doubt. But..What was The Len Wiseman Transition? What did he say or do that made you believe he was the man for the job?
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I was here! Then I wasn't! (sorry..had to post in legendary AICN thread).Good job all!!!
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Bruce,
Hopefully after the news of this talkback hitting AICN you're still finding some time to check it.
If my question's already been asked, fuck me. I haven't scanned the whole board.
Here goes...
What's your role in regard to story with the projects you're involved with? You're obviously a name guy with juice and have the power to get shit done your way when you want it. If you're on the poster, you're hard to say no to.
We hear legendary stories every day about leads who come in to a project and screw the pooch by demanding stuff story-wise that doesn't favor the story at all.
"My character wouldn't do that..."
"I have an (X AMOUNT OF YEARS) history creating my screen persona so if you think I'm gonna go THAT way, go fuck yourself..."
So what's the skinny? When you're involved with a project (anything not the DH stuff), what's your role in story development?
Sometimes a note is GREAT and sometimes it's a big sack of ego shit. You've seen it.
So what's the word? Where do you draw the line?
And please keep using your honesty thing while answering this. It'll be appreciated by all.
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Ahh good times... Also lets hope Bruce's guarantee is better than the scriptwriter of The Core, he emailed me and promised me my money back if I saw it in the movies and didn't enjoy it... Well I still didn't go to see it, because well I didn't like armageddon, so why would I want to see a rip-off the replaces space with dirt... But still, I didn't trust his guarantee anyway, but Bruce, I think if DH4 doesn't rock, he has to go to Seattle and take Vern out for a beer...
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May 10, 2007 4:41:25 PM CDT
projecting die hard 4 on screen - is it 2.35.1 - scope
by kooky little elephant on beer
Hey Walter B,
being a projectionist i was wondering if Die Hard 4 will be in cinema scope ak 2.35.1 like the other die hard films? im hope so because you get a lot more action in the shot than filming 1.85.1 - flat. im glad to project Die Hard 4 for ya on the big screen. who gives a crap what its rated, there will probably be an r-rated cut on dvd by November anyway. so in fact we get two versions of one awesome amazing film. fuck it im happy.
cheers and beers,
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... wow. Your sheep/bitch/product has tried to sign-in all day, but something was wrong... so now new/old improved model is unleashed. If you are not French, are you Swiss?
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Wait until 11:30 pm pdt to post. That's when Bruce seems to be around.
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...If so this proves unity of old/new self...not an imposter...
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happened I could still sign-in...just couldn't post. Today was different... couldn't sign-in, but old posts still visible... so bad thing didn't happen. relief. Anyway now I have All caps original version. will use this from now on and...
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... which I hope is never. I've been trying very hard not to break "rules". See: PG-13 bad! bad! very very bad! R good! good fuckity fuck good! There, no off-topic!
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... when he say to Drew "Sorry, kid" and when he say "That Train has sailed" nobody mixes them metaphors like MaFuckinClane!!!
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You should probably get him to say something like "Having Joel Silver producing would be TOO SILVER! Still, the man has GOTTA EAT. Releasing THIS YEAR'S Little Miss Die Hard now would be TOO SOON! It would TAINT the movie.". That would hopefully ensure that everybody bought a ticket...
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...the Smoking Police? Variety just reported BREAKING NEWS: Smoking in movies to affect ratings
Responding to years of criticism from child advocacy groups and health
organization, the Motion Picture Assn. of America announced Thursday
it is expanding its current consideration of teen smoking to all
smoking when evaluating and assigning a movie rating.
Full story at:
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Join the Discussion:
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Bruce, PLEASE BE CANDID WITH THIS QUESTION and I promise you it will win you untold fans who will all buy tickets on opening weekend for LForDH and even buy the DVD of Grindhouse even though only half the movie was any good (your half)... Did Jane March have ANYTHING to do with your breakup with Ms. Demi Moore? It just seems conspicuously like you filming those "ultra-real" love scenes with young Jane coincided with the timing of your divorce. Not trying to make light of your loss, and it's AWESOME to see you hanging out with Ashton and Demi these days which proves you are mature and can sideline your ego and learn from your mistakes unlike other stars, but I just want to give you a chance to be the COOLEST MOTHERFUCKER ON PLANET EARTH BY ANSWERING THIS QUESTION CANDIDLY. THANKS, Bruno!!
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BrokeSexyCowBoyback is over on other TB standing in looooong queue to talk to Walter B, he is sharing his UserName with his mother... which is kinda creepy...
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May 10, 2007 6:11:25 PM CDT
The other thread is impossible to even begin to handle.
by alonzo mosely
So I'll hang out here, sure it is Bruce-less now but it is still preferable to reading people's moms signed in as them... Way to perpetuate the living in your mom's basement myth there sexy...
The funny thing is everyone is just only reading the black boxes and then posting their questions, so you get the same crap over and over...
Oh and to the guy above trying to get Vern to post something about Transformers, the power of Vern only works when he gets himself worked up to post a genuine rant, to do so he has to deeply care about the subject at hand, and not to put words in the man's mouth, but I don't think Vern gives a fuck about transformers... -
Top 10 Most Watched Films By Men
1 Star Wars trilogy
2 Aliens
3 The Terminator
4 Bladerunner
5 The Godfather
6 Alien
7 Jaws
8 Die Hard
9 Terminator 2: Judgment Day
10 The Lord of the Rings trilogy
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Hey Bruce,
Shame about that Pg13 rating...I'm still gonna be in the cinema though, watching McClane again. Hair don't mean nothing...it's all in the character.
But why the grudge against Bay? Could this be due to Transformers coming out the same day as DH4? What has caused this most serious attack?
Also, who do you think will win in the end with Box Office takings, honestly:
DH4 or Transformers?
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Why didn't you just have Bruce call you for confirmation?
My bet is he will come back here.
Top movies watched by men? Caddyshack, Godfather, Stripes, Road House, Animal House, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Dirty Harry, Star Wars: ESB, Terminator, Ghost (with their woman). -
on Rotten Tomatoes,,,,
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I read most of this thread thinking I can't believe the number of "fucks" they say in the movie is that big of a deal. The rating doesn't mean jack to me. He might not say fuck, but I will...like when McClaine had to pull broken glass from his feet while hiding in the can. I was the one saying fuck. He said it with just his wincing face.
Die Hard (and the sequels) have always been about the everyday joe in a bad spot. Sure they expanded and lost their way a bit, but I still enjoyed the ride. Yes, McClaine is a cop, but when DH came out it was during a time of Stallone, Arnie, and the like. People were like Bruce can't be an action star and he proved everyone wrong.
McClaine in the Nakatome Plaze was more like the dude that could be your neighbor. He was always getting kicked and he kept on kicking back.
I don't give a damn about Bruce's personal life or all that. He's made more then enough good things in his career that I'll go see it.
I know I'm not an elite movie analyzer like some of you. I'm just a normal dude that likes to escape the BS of world and every DH movie has given me that thrill. Some more then others, but hey...
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He just needs to pick a thread and talk when he wants to. Hope he comes back.
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Let him know it would be better if he "popped in" to different threads. The one thread with Willis will drive him off.
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Aw yes the 1200+ post one. Probably all bases covered. thx
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My guess is he reads the comments, but decided to lay low. It was cool reading his thoughts, he seems like a pretty awesome man. But anyways about LFoDH, I never really thought about the MPAA rating anyway. I have always loved the Die Hard movies for one factor, Bruce Willis makes them work. Without him...they would die...pretty damn hard.
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Sorry bud, but Alonzo is right. I don't give a fuck about Transformables. I am still trying to understand this super power, but the thing about my DIE HARD piece was that it's pretty much my favorite movie ever, so it was coming from my heart. Robots I don't think I could do it with, it would not be powerful enough to summon anybody. Plus, Michael Bay thinks he's bigger than Bruce Willis, so I don't know if he would lower himself to cattleprodding his assistant to yell at her assistant to have her type out the talkbacks for him.
That said, I am with you, that movie looks like fucking garbage. Michael Bay to me symbolizes all the worst things about modern movies and the world, and ARMAGEDDON is so bad it left scars on cinema history that might never heal. I thought that guy had the worst editing and camera placement anybody had ever come up with, but with TRANSFORMABLES he might be taking it to a new level: I can't even tell what's going on in the fucking still photos! Is that a head, is that legs, I don't know it just looks like ten thousand computer simulated car parts having a huge orgy.
So I'm sorry if robots is your thing, I feel your pain. The fucker did that to TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE, so I've been through it.
By the way, if that movie really prevented that asshole from doing DIE HARD 4 like he claims then I'm sorry, but it was worth it. Robots, thanks for taking a bullet for John McClane. America will never forget your brave sacrifice.
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Hey BW you have a mic? If so download ventrilo i would like to chat with you. That is if you know how to download stuff yet.
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Nah? Back to bed...
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Bruce, I love your take on the Mythology of Die Hard. Long time AICN will recognize that I have long been suggesting those are the core values. Cool to see we are on the same page. The one difference is the "disliking authority" part. "Power" refers to the ability to achieve certain ends, 'authority' refers to the legitimacy, justification and right to exercise that power. Could you explain what you actually mean when you say you don't like authority? John McClane is a cop, the picture of authority.
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We do not know how DH4 will turn out, but we most definitely do know the type of stank shit it would have become in Bay's hands. Robots fall so that McClane can live (hopefully).Prof, that was some freaky posting up there. Glad you are 'whole' now. Er, I mean PROF.
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mean we don't get to see Maggie Q's Nakatomi?
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better include complete works of Paul Verhoeven.
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would it arouse you extra if I was say, Swiss from italian canton? Lo sai, perche poso parlare in Italiano anche, dude. And to answer your speculations so far is no, I am not.I am something that now only exsists in time, and eventually in few decades will be all lost, like tears in the rain.
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I honestly wasn't going to go to DH4 because the marketing's ass and I haven't seen anything I've liked out of Len Wiseman. But if you're willing to come onto this site, take the verbal abuse...I'll shell out $10 for a ticket. Even if I absolutely hate the movie, I want filmmakers and actors to show up on here more often.
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om his page put a link to this TB and comented on it. Now that has now started to kick all sorts of meta ass. Albert Camus! Come back you zombie fuck and explain!
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Willis is the man!
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Your a brave man Walter B.to enter the web and challenge these so called"KNOW IT ALL"film experts,...lol
But for those that care here whats what with Walter B.
Born: 19 March 1955, Idar-Oberstein, West Germany (age 52)
Birth Name: Walter Bruce Willis
Height: 5' 11¾" (1.82 m)
Spouse: Demi Moore (21 November 1987 - 18 October 2000) (divorced) 3 children
Nickname: Bruno
Also Known As: Bruce Willis / W.B. Willis
Awards: Won Golden Globe. Another 12 wins & 19 nominations more »
Credited Years: 1980 - 2008
Biography
Bruce Willis grew up mainly in Penns Grove, New Jersey, and graduated from high school there before going to New York to become an actor. He waited tables and tended bar for a living until he began to get roles in plays. While tending bar one night he was seen by a casting director who liked his personality and needed a bartender for a small movie role.
Salary
• Hart's War (2002): $22,500,000
• Unbreakable (2000): $20,000,000
• The Kid (2000): $20,000,000
• The Sixth Sense (1999): $100,000,000 (salary, gross and video participations)
• Die Hard: With a Vengeance (1995): $15,000,000
• Pulp Fiction (1994): $800,000
• The Bonfire of the Vanities (1990): $3,000,000
• Die Hard 2 (1990): $7,500,000
• Look Who's Talking (1989): $10,000,000
• Die Hard (1988): $5,000,000
Trademarks
• Frequently plays a man who suffered a tragedy, had lost something or had a crisis of confidence or conscience.
Real Life Quotes
• "I'm much more proud of being a father than being an actor."
• "You can't undo the past... but you can certainly not repeat it."
• "I'm staggered by the question of what it's like to be a multimilionaire. I always have to remind myself that I am."
Trivia
• Was high school student council president.
• His recording of "Respect Yourself" reached #5 in January of 1987.
• He and Demi Moore announce they are ending their marriage of 11 years. No reasons given. [24 June 1998]
• Ranked #22 in Empire (UK) magazine's "The Top 100 Movie Stars of All Time" list. [October 1997]
• Has three daughters with Demi Moore: Rumer Willis (b. 1988), Scout LaRue Willis (b. 1991) and Tallulah Belle Willis (b. 1994).
Other Works
• Appeared in the first series of Levis 501 Blues commercials around 1986. He's the one who spins around and looses his sunglasses.
• TV commercial for Seagrams 7 Golden Wine Cooler (with Sharon Stone) (1986)
• Singer of the band Bruce Willis & The Accelerators
• Made two Motown albums in the 1980s: - Return of Bruno, which included the Top-10 cover of "Respect Yourself" - If It Don't Kill You, It Just Makes You Stronger.
• Appeared on "Subaru Legacy" commercial in Japan between 1992 and 1994
Thats a few fun facts....
take care and and may you all have a wonderful weekend
Oh and I think its funny Bay doesnt think that was Mr Willis in this TB,..he cant accept it,...funny stuff
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Wasn't too hard to call that one...
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how can you talk to someone on ichat from a pc, because I 've never even heard of ichat before this thing.
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Guess we shouldn't have bugged Harry about blackboxing him. As soon as that happened it was like somebody yelled "HEY EVERYBODY, IT'S BRUCE WILLIS!" and in about five minutes ten thousand people you've never seen in a talkback before are trying to prove they're his buddy. I like the questions that go on forever (like my reviews) and include preamble and everything. That's how cool the guy is, people assume he is gonna be nice enough to read all that shit.
Meanwhile, this one lives on in the underground. It doesn't even need to be in the top ten. The first rule of PG-13 Die Hard talkback is you do not talk about PG-13 Die Hard talkback. -
So Mr. Willis great to see you communicating with fans, and even more so I am looking forward to DH4.
I was curious in knowing, since you spent some time in Montreal during the filming of "The Whole 9 yards" how did you like it? I ask that as a young film maker who grew up here in Montreal.
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Vern, honestly man, thank you. Without your life-long drive (or at least since-'88-drive, when Die Hard opened) this would have never happened. Thank you all, really. Enjoy and be happy, at least for the time being. I am.
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If not for this thread, I wouldn't be able to say I have chatted with Bruce Willis. I was pissed none of my questions to Sly Stallone got through to him, so thank you + the Bruce for making this possible. I still can't believe I had six questions answered by the man!
I now look forward to the proper Q&A's coming soon and for anything else that pisses you off in the future, Vern. Surely you can start a new thread about the damage Mr. Bay has inflicted on cinema? Having Willis here was great, but if Bay ever showed up, I think AICN would simply crash. -
I don´t care if the is PG-13. What matter to me is watch Bruce as McClane again...
I was reading the other posts about the subject and didn´t understood why some people can´t belive what is clear... this movie will be great!
As a brazilian Die Hard fan i can say... Bruce u are the best action actor, man! u made John McClane be the meaning of ACTION!
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Hey Bruce I am a big fan of your work as an actor,I am a fan from Brazil,so I would like to now if there is some chance to you came to Brazil Promote the new McClane Movie(it opens here in august 03)?Please tell me
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There will be this huge collected holding of breath as everyone ignores the reviews by Harry and Mori and Massawyrm and MiraJeff (everyone ignores those all the time anyway) and Capone and the random studio plants waiting for Vern's review. After this rant and the proving of the power of summoning and the subsequent magic of the TB I think there is only one man whose opinion will truly count. I have a sneaky suspicion Vern will either find a huge mailbag of cash on his doorstep, or maybe in keeping with his B-Movie pedigree the suits will kidnap a loved one (after shooting and killing his best friend, who will need to be black) and demand a positive review or they will kill the loved one...
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7 weeks and counting and looking forward to it. Glad to see you "back " in cyberland. Hope all is well with you.
Your Pal,
jpodraza aka JeffP or JP (a nick shortened by another online pal KB ;)
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Thanks Vern... You just have to love Bruce calling Mori "Kid". So great...
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Sorry bud, I don't have posting power, I just email my shit to Harry and Moriarty and they put it up. I guess in retrospect I should've stuck them in a talkback using the power of my black box, but I thought those guys were gonna take care of it. Sorry bud, I failed you. I appreciate all the work you put into compiling those, hopefully Harry will include them in his question collecting thing.
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Not for the PG-13 rant, but I discovered today that many web sights picked up this story and somehow attributed my talkback about Michael Bay to Bruce. So if you happen to have read anywhere that Bruce said "I would rather eat a live baby in front of my grandma than see a DIE HARD movie directed by Michael Bay," please note that it was actually me that said it, not Bruce. When I read that I started to understand why Michael Bay was so upset by "those things" Bruce wrote on here. Because he may have thought that Bruce said he'd "snort up John McClane's soul and piss it out on your shoes" and called him "a car engine in a human skin" and other things that only I would say. Because I am a poet.
When I saw those quotes in an article in the middle of other, authentic Walter B. quotes I laughed for about 15 minutes straight. This is the first time I have ever been mistaken for Bruce Willis. I meant all those things about Bay's movies so I don't mind if he saw them, but if black box confusion started a feud between Willis and Bay then I am sorry. It wasn't Bruce that said all that crazy shit, it was some nutball (me) who happens to tell it like it is. -
People aren't even READING the talkback and just assuming every black box is Walter B? That is so beyond fucked up. And you know what? It pisses me off. I thought your letter was amazing and everyone of my movie friends I have spoken to outside of the interweb were pretty much flabbergasted of the different rating. Your words got lost in the hype of the brucexpolsion but I can't find fault in that.
I'm going to go (meta) on this - talking back about the Walter B talkback - but it was something that came close to amazing. I didn't want to be a sucker. In fact, most of my posts I deliberately hemmed and hawed. I wanted to believe but dare not. And then, when Mori....I trusted but still didn't want to look the fool. Because Walter B was fucking convincing! He called people "KID"! I won't ever forget that. Then it was proven...confirmed. It wasn't only me I was happy for - trying to keep the faith and all that - but I was mostly happy for you, Vern. I don't know you and I don't know your life but that had to be one of the most vindicative fucking moments of all time. I'd light that shit on fire for you if I could, man.
You did a good thing.
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"Guess we shouldn't have bugged Harry about blackboxing him. As soon as that happened it was like somebody yelled "HEY EVERYBODY, IT'S BRUCE WILLIS!" and in about five minutes ten thousand people you've never seen in a talkback before are trying to prove they're his buddy. "
First off, sit up and dry youself off. the drool that has been dripping from your chin the last few days is getting a little out of hand.
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...off the fact that somewhere Bruce Willis tapped out the ridiculous letters o-n-o-m-a-k-i f-o-r-p and actually answered me *twice*, thanking me for praising the highly underrated Hudson Hawk. I've met a lot of celebrities in my day... but rarely have I seen a "big star" of this magnitude just be so amazingly cool about it... plus the fact that you know he's got better things to do than sit around and TalkBack with us... but he did it anyway, without acting like he was doing anything special. Classy.
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is not Mori or Harry. He went enormously cool trough the whole thing. Classy too.Vern, you got my email?second rule of the PG13 Die Hard talkback is if you don`t see the problem of PG13, you can`t join.
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Wow, I cant believe Bruce Willis came in here and talked to everyone, that is so fucking cool. I wish more people in the Entertainment World would do that.
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Who the fuck are you and what are you trying to prove? Go discover yourself, straighten out whatever it is turning you into this worthless asshole scumbag who appears out of nowhere to insult a stranger for no reason persona you just demonstrated, then come back, and we'll be friends. I love you.
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in that Spiderman adverts on top? Not cool. Me no like.
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I bet Bruce isn't sooo sick his entire body aches when he sneezes... God I suck...
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it must have been Bruce`s coment about nobody wanting to work with Bay that must had upset the esteemed film author. But how fucking cool is it that we managed to get this TB into their minds.Man I think that H`wood types come here more than you think. Just not in blackbox form.
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Bruce and Sam Jackson together again in "Black Water Transit" ? NICE! Those two were great together in DH:WAV. Im also looking forward to "The Last Full Measure" .... Willis, Laurence Fishburne, Robert Duvall, and Morgan Freeman all in the same film! I hope Todd Robinson knows what hes doing with that one.
Live Free or Die Hard trailer looks slick... wasn't too crazy about the kid from the iMac commercials being in it at first. I honestly hope it makes a lot of money, hopefully [at least] over $150 mil (domestic).
HOW MUCH DO YOU ALL THINK "LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD" will make in this cluttered summer of sequels?
(I say ~$170-$190 mil.)
SIDE NOTE....... Mr. Willis was ROBBED of an Oscar nomination for SIXTH SENSE, that was fine, fine work.
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You guys just dont know when to quit when it comes to shit talking Bay... Its sad. You really need to go watch one of his movies without trying to pick out every scene that isnt accurate. Its pitiful.
Not every director cares about winning a golden fucking statue.
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... I remember now another time... another place... another name... somebody quoted those exact Batty lines to me ........................coincedence?
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but i'll have to agree that sometimes the MPAA judgment should be questioned regarding movie ratings. I mean - the whole "charm" of high explosion, high action and HOLY SHIT moment movies are when the characters use everyday crude language to relay their "emotions" and "feelings" throughout the movie. I find it rather tacky when a character who just got shoot in the nuts goes "OH FUDGE MY TESTICELS" rather than "FUCK ME SILLY MY NUTS AW YOU MTUAHFUCKIN PIECE O' SHIT." Yeah, no.
I don't know who pussied out on this end - the studios, MPAA, director - whatever - and I am fairly sure the movie will kick ass when it comes out.. but... yeah......
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I think we need t-shirts.
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to be posted in this TB, if nothing else for future generations, when all the michaelbays`s blogs die as well as AICN Die **** damage-control TB`s. This will live forever. And hopefully free. But as sure as hell is gonna die gard.----------------------------A response to Bruce Willis from Michael Bay05/10/07 07:57 PM | PermalinkHard to believe it really is Bruce saying that stuff on AICN. I loved working with Bruce. He gave me a big hug one month ago at the GM party and we talked for 20 minutes. We even talked about working together again! I mean it would be sad if he felt this way - he's never one to hide his feelings - I say sad, in that he wouldn't be man enough to say it to my face. But truly sad that such a big time actor would have to hide on a little talk back section. So I really don't believe this story.I find it also totally odd that my agents at William Morris got the call from Bruce's people to inquire if I would like to helm Die Hard 4, but I was already on Transformers.Michael---------------------------What imensly bugs me is this. Is Michael Bay lying there? Why would he, sure is easy to check and will fuck himself even more if he is? Money, competition between films? Who will take more viewers from each other?What if Michael Bay isn`t lying? Are we capable of comprehending the mindnumbing implications of that? If you know ONE thing about AICN in the unlimited hate for Michael Bay. Even if you`re fucking lost in Amazon jungle and you are caught by last undiscovered tribe, you can say: "AICN?" and Chief will say: "Damn you Michael Bay!" And then you will continue to struggle with communication. But the basis for the eternal friedship will be laid, so your unison hate of Bay have saved your life.Not saying flat out that Walter lied, I think it is save to assume that Walter knew this fact before logging in. Typing those words meant instantly and forewer that 90% of AICN audience will forgive him no matter what kind of PG 13 Die **** 4 is comming our way and basically assure their asses in seats on the opening weekend. Fuck, I mean some might actually skip the Transformers just to act more in the shit.To me all this things are very difficult to be calm about.monster2... I think we`re better off left out of top ten. For now.
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Yo. Shoe and I are looking forward to NF in July. Also heading to Vegas in Sept.
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I am way too lazy, but I have a feeling Vern is correct and his black box ramblings are being mistaken for Bruce's, and a capulet/montague like feud for the generations will be caused because of it and Rumour won't be able to marry Mickey Jr or something... I am heavily medicated by the way...
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Now wouldn't this look great on a T-Shirt... http://tinyurl.com/ysduf5
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average number of hits for an FDM story - 100. The power of Bruce!!!
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average number of hits for an FDM story - 100. The power of Bruce!!!
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Its on the latest TF talback I did it lastnight so start from the bottom up.
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... saying "Yippie Ki-Yay,..." ...and then the Death Star explodes... Wouldn't want to lose Star Wars: A New Hope's PG rating now would we?
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But finally, he proved it with this thread. ;)
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oh give me a break, It's a B. Will movie, it's gonna be at least entertaining. I really can't think of one Willis movie that I wasn't at least entertained by, and yes even rugrats and Hudson hawk
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kinda off-topic, but you SOOOOOOO need to get darabont here in november for one of these; pass it on to the head cheese(s). stallone did a q&a and it rocked; bruce was the funniest lurker since kevin smith; immagine how much darabont will rawk here in geek nation
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Im gonna see it as soon as its released here in sweden.
Also please watch this youtube clip of bruce willis in japanese television ;D;D;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LNoQKHlCHs
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May 14, 2007 6:05:27 AM CDT
4 mentally retarded&tools involved with spin of DHINO
by 9banned0.5furious
Walter B said "Fuck Joel Silver." in response to me pushing him in connection with some business transactions involving Last Boy Scout. Not in sense that DHINO 4 did not miss the Frank Lloyd Wright`s ultimate fan. Any idiot knows you can`t do great R Die Hard action movie without Joel Silver. And Walter B is no idiot.monster2... you f*****, can you like, put many subjects into one post!? We who are here do not scared are be of long posts. Have time. Will read. Fuck spin. This is not damage control TB like ALL the other.Krack, stop advertising the other TB here and post your questions for us to see&apreciate. monster2... see? Quite posible to put a lot into one post and keep the count down.
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Alonso get of medication and put some words on that perfect pic.Phartegot1, fuck the other TB`s. Post it here.(like we don`t know what was said)F*** me too, can`t get it all in one post.
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Did you make that Ellis screengrab or did you find it somewhere? It's a good one but the resolution's pretty low so it doesn't look so hot when I blow it up bigger. I seriously want to do a shirt like a quickie cafe press type of deal, but I can't figure out how to do screen grabs on my computer. (God damn copyright paranoia.)
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What Happens When Governments Disarm CitizensTHE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTYHistory of Gun Control Whether you agree or not, it's an interesting lesson in history.In reaction to the Virginia Tech shootings... Rather than declare the shooter as "nuts," some in Congress want everybody to give up their firearms in violation of the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. Below are an examples of what happened when governments confiscated privately held firearms.Something to think about...In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.Cambodia established gun control in 1956.. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.AustraliaIt has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.The first year results are now in:Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percentAustralia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent
-- yes, 44 percent!In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear our president, governors or other politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.Take note my fellow Americans... before it's too late!The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are "citizens." Without them, we are "subjects." -
However I am sure a screengrab could be done... I just need to find my copy of die hard, I'll have a go tonight... However, if someone more artistically inclined out there reads this please feel free to do it as I will probably hurt my brain figuring it out... Also don't stop at t-shirts... Wouldn't Ellis appreciate a coffee mug...
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Finally someone nailed it. God job Vern!
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Hi Walter B, I have always thinking about how is to run a film with Scorsese, would you made any movie with him in future?
Another question, I think that Rusell Crowe is too arrogant, he always win!! what do you think? am I right?
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Besides the fact that a majority of his movies are very entertaining and right up my alley. BW is a complete supporter of the 2nd Amendment/RKBA. You don't find his kind all that often in the celebrity mix to say the least. We need more people (not just actors) like BW.
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I heard this news over at Rottentomatoes and did not believe Bruce Willis came to chat with posters at AICN. If true such an actshows Bruce is more a human being than a 'celebrity'.
I wanted to say that Mr. Willis has every right to express what he feels about Bay, and making his opinions known does not make Bruce any less 'classy', just more vocal, even if Bruce does just want us to see his lastest McClane film over that teen-and-bot crap known as Transformers.
Transformers...what a waste of a 150 million.
In fact, I had no intention of watching LFoDH in theaters, and planned to wait till a DVD release. Bruce hanging with AICN's posters changed my position, though, through a modesty rarely found in Hollywood celebs.
As for the Die Hard series, I thought the first one was seminal action. It rocked, and few action movies are on it's level of intensity, pace, killer characterization of the bad guys, or its humor. The second movie was underwhelming, and the plot was weak and near incoherent. Still better than every Van Damm movie. The third Die Hard was better, but I felt the inclusion of Samuel Jackson, a fine actor, diminished McClane's role as the lone asskicker and fit in more with joel Silver's political correctness by including a supporting 'minority' role. The other Die Hard movies did this as well.
Other movies Bruce starred in were great flicks. I thought his role in Sle7in was awesome, but I have to ask: what were you thinking with Hostage and Mercury Rising? Man, you are SO better than those movies. Bruce Willis in Hostage was like making a movie about male pregnancy starring Schwarzeneggar...welll, not THAT awful, but you get the jist.
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Interesting... I never knew Bruce was a 2nd amendment supporter.
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I'm not sure how active BW is with regard to the 2nd Amendment. But its well documented that he is indeed pro-gun. This quote for ex. was from BW reported by USAWEEKEND back in Feb. 2000..."Everyone has a right to bear arms. If you take guns away from legal gun owners, then the only people who have guns are the bad guys." Sounds good to me. :)
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on the Adam Carolla radio show, we can take listener calls and hear your perspective...
Mike August
CBS RADIO
mikeaugust@adamcarolla.com
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Jericho on CBS has pretty low ratings but IMO is probly one of the best shows on tv right now. Just watching the DH4 trailers It looks like this might be a pretty good flick... somthing I can enjoy atleast.
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He is in the wrong TB...
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May 15, 2007 3:33:03 AM CDT
Hey August, fuck off in May to the plant DHINO TB`s
by 9banned0.5furious
you can follow the slimy salesman trail.I am sure he got here from Michael Bay page link. He sounds like someone who would hang out there.
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Is it true or not true?
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Now, I must admit, I came to this site after reading about Walter B's identity, :) and though I think it is great that he has taken the time and energy to give us his ideas and opinion and stuff, something else has been bothering me ever since I started reading this.
Are ratings REALLY this important? Some people can decide whether they see a movie or not just by looking at the RATING? I mean, it's hard to guess whether a movie is worth watching or not by watching its trailer, but the RATING?
I have recently seen a documentary called "This movie is not yet rated" - you can see it on Brightcove in five parts - but I didn't really know what the fuss is all about. So the rating system is unfair, tell me about it. People are doing the rating, and people can be manipulated SOOO easily. So what about it? Here in Europe, the ratings are much more simple and most people don't even look at it. Even those who do, think of it as "more of a guideline". But to see people saying "if it's pg-13, it's not a good movie and I won't see it" is absolutely shocking for me!
I mean, Pirates of the Caribbean is pg-13, AND THERE ARE LIVING DEAD WALKING AROUND IN IT, so does rating matter at all? You'd watch that movie with your schoolboy kids? The only thing this rating tells me about DH4 is that there is no sex in it. Our kids are much more protected from making love than "intense sequences of adventure violence, including frightening images" that gave Dead Man's Chest a pg-13. Think, people! -
OMG..... Walter really is...
Oh man. You really are something. You took time to say what you think on the internet. Thats very cool. Other actors dont do that. You should get a medal or something.
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Man i just joined this site today after seeing this story all over the net on many popular sites, things spread soo fast on the net i tell ya and still many of them find it hard to believe it was actually Bruce Willis, hard to please the skeptics even though the evidence is right there in front of them, the guys just skin and blood like the rest of us.
Anyways good on ya Bruce it is nice to see someone of your stature taking part on these forums and answering peoples questions, look forward to DH4 im sure ill enjoy like the others regardless.
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Made a more compelling argument than a good 45% of all TBers...
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I swear there was a post with no username that was just a huge jumble of words linked to insurance... Now it looks like I am having a pop at Sleek, who I am sure is a nice guy and is kind to puppies...
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meaning that unlike anglo saxon puritan control crap, out ther, on the continent you get FAR better edition, read unrated or uncut, versions of cinema crap. Even so, the PG 13 Die Hard means its been done upfront and it will be crap movie.
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May 15, 2007 11:52:31 PM CDT
John McClane can`t say Yipiekayay motherfucker in PG13!
by 9banned0.5furious
you fucking plants. Nor can John actually BE the character we all love so much in a PG 13 movie. For all the plants and idiots who will be seeing this because, lo behold the postillion..., Walter descended here and wow, posted, know this: He is a 20/20 player. Meaning: he gets very serious percentage of EVERY FUCKING DOLLAR you spend on this movie. So, he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING better to do than come here and lead idiots to go and see Die in a kindergarten 4.
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when there is nowhere to be found on AICN unless you are Michael Bay rader or have the TB number. So, fuck you again plants! DHINO 4 will, I am sad to say that, suck.
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It's very simple. In a DIE HARD movie, you gotta expect that ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. I am writing a book about the films of Steven Seagal, so I have seen every one of his movies several times. And with the exception of HARD TO KILL (where he is put into a coma), Seagal has not been hurt in his ENTIRE FILMOGRAPHY as much as McClane is hurt in the first DIE HARD.
In other words MCCLANE GOTTA BLEED!
In a DIE HARD movie you always know that ANYTHING could happen. And it definitely WILL happen to the bad guys. Hopefully Bruce is right, and this will be an intense PG-13, like the Bourne movies or CASINO ROYALE. Those are good movies but they don't even come close to the intensity of even the worst DIE HARD sequel. In a PG-13 there is a safety net, there is training wheels, you're wearing knee pads and a helmet. You know for sure that certain things will not happen, because they are not allowed. I'm sure terrorists will die but most likely by falling and going "AAAAAHHH!" and then you won't see if they die or not. Which is fine for Indiana Jones but not for JOHN MAFUCKINCLANE.
It's the same as with a horror movie. Have you ever seen a scary PG-13 horror movie? Closest I can think of is the American remake of THE RING, and that's a fuckin miracle. It's common sense not to see a PG-13 horror movie, and this is the same deal.
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Vern is totaly right...
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gunsmith_should_utilize_the_find_function_to_search_this_TB_like_any_normal_person@mac.com
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Vern has done the heavy lifting many times in this thread, but here is another angle. Go to imdb and find Die Hard and click on memorable quotes. Amaze yourself with how many fucking amazing lines that movie has... Then see how many contain the F word, and realize that in PG13 that isn't happening. Then go back and read the lines minus the F word, add freakin if you want, or just remove fuck completely.
Now, honestly are they as memorable? As funny? As note perfect? There are many movies where it doesn't matter, but in the case of Die Hard the language is vital to the overall tone and feel of the movie... Now I will lay anyone who wants to, odds of 33 to 1 that the script of Die Hard 4 is not as good as the script of Die Hard.
It isn't about using the word 'fuck', it is about writing a script that is honest to the world and characters you create, and if this was a story about John McClane visiting his mother in a nursing home, then you could almost get away with just the one fuck, but that isn't what this is about, at least I don't think it is, I am not Vern, I don't have the script unread on my hard drive... -
I would like to say that i am a big fan of the Die Hard series, and My personal favourite was Die Hard 3, because i think Samuel L Jackson brought an urban style of wit and comedy to the film, while at the same time , complementing Bruce's acting ability. I am very sceptical about the fourth installment in this series because I have seen the theatrical trailer and was very disappointed with the sub standard CGI effects that make the car going into the helicopter look as ridiculous as Greedo shooting first. The plot itself seems to be reminiscent of the 90s cyber terroist films like Hackers, and i was very disappointed to see that John McTiernan was not directing. Maybe WalterB could shed some light as to why the director of the better Die Hard films has not directed the long awaited fourth installment, and why was Len Wiseman chosen to direct, when his only contributions to film were the rather predictable and cliched Romeo and Juliet adaptations that were the Underworld films.
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Hey Beedub! Long time no chat! You're former peeps miss you - get back in touch soon will ya? Looking forward to LFDH and maybe some more good times in Vegas?????
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What it boils down to is the "limitations" that a non-R rating brings. Can the movie still be good? Sure. Will it be the excellences that was the first one? More than likely not. It just seems that we will be getting a toned down McClane. We'll see...
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I can get you a one of Ellis, a big 1600x1200 JPEG if you want? It'll clean it up a little too, hows that?
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First let me say, I don't normally read.. much less comment on forums such as these.. where geeks and fans bitch and moan over something as trivial and stupid as a Rating.
When i was young things that are currently rated PG were rated PG-17 or R.
The rating system is just a Hollywood "let's cover our ass" system. Ya know, so when bad people do bad things.. you can't blame the movie cause it was rated and you were warned.
Anyway.. to my point[as i tend to rant].
Walter, the other night my husband and I were talking about Actors.. about how most them don't seem.. well .. like they ever drop "the act"
I mentioned to my husband that you are one of very few actors that seemed real to me. The type of guy who would talk to those of us can't afford to follow you around and get crushed in crowds just to try and touch you.. or other such foolishness i see fans do.
I don't keep up with Actors' lives, honestly i don't remember half the names of actors that play in movies i own and enjoy.
It always seemed to me that Actors never care about us, the fans, so why worry about them...Anyway.. back to the point.
My husband showed me this site and the things you've said.
It was Refreshing, i started to say surprising but i wasn't really.. as i mentioned before I always thought you were different than the hollywood masses.
I don't know how to PM on this forum or contact you any other way. So as my very First Fan to celeb comment/blog/whatever, I am posting here.. as I know you'll see it..
there was one question i had for you.. but it's not about Die Hard..
In "The Fifth Element" was that woman in the blue alien suit really as uncomfortable as she appeared? That musta been tough getting in and out of.
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The news of Mr Walter B exchanging views and thoughs with fans on the webb created even some headlines in the swedish media - Its rather hilarious to read through the entire thread where Mr Walter B writes straight from his hart just as a regular person, only to be doubted by even the webb administrators.
Nonetheless, the fact that he takes his time and joins the discussion shows how far and important the webb has become. Artists can express their views directly without the art of editing from journalists.
And lastly, to those of you who doubted Mr WBW based on spelling, how pathetic was that ha ha. And rightly said, who the heck cares if the spelling aint correct, its the content that matters.
Have a good day to all of you.
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I got a good one from Alonzo, only to have the design removed from cafepress before I could print myself a t-shirt. Apparently there is a huge problem with people making themselves t-shirts with Die Hard screengrabs, and if they don't do something about this sort of dangerous piracy our very economy could come tumbling down. But I'll figure something out.
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Zup dawg, how you been ? Looking at your gift right now.
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Zup dawg, how you been ? Looking at your gift right now.
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I gotta give credit to SuperWife concerning rating. You keep forgetting that DH came out almost 20 years ago! Moral rules drew the limits elsewhere than now. Today kids have far more freedom than 20 years ago. When I was kid, 7.30 was bedtime and no disobediance was accepted. Try telling your 10-year old to go to bed at 8, he'll laugh his head off. Also, JOHN MAFUCKINCLANE may be fuckin' tough but he too is 20 years older by now. That might not mean that he lost his edge but might have matured a bit. :) Anyway, I am looking forward to see DH4. I don't expect it to be as good as the first but cannot possibly be worse than the third. As for the presence or absence of blood: you want real action? REAL, believeable action? Do you know what it's like? Boring. People, who are hit once with a balled fist pass our immediately, while the guy who hits him probably fractured his hand so needs ambulance as well. Every fight would be made of only one or two hits. People that are shot, even if they are only wounded, lay down and either cry, wet themselves or pass out. Sometimes all three after another. Almost never do they shoot back or try to escape or anything else. This is entertainment, not a documentary. Sit back, enjoy the ride. And please, don't make up your mind BEFORE seeing it.
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A few movies I'd like to call your attention to: Sixth Sense, The Grudge 2, Jaws: The Revenge, The 6th day, Jurassic Park, Pirates of the Caribbean 1-2, S.W.A.T., Robocop, The Mummy, and a bunch or others I did not see so don't know (like I, Robot) but sound action-packed and in my opinion, at least 16+ stuff.
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...but I'll give it a shot just in case.
I'm a real-life 30-something private investigator. This will become relevant in my final sentence.
I just wanted to pass on my appreciation for your work. The movie stuff has already been commented on ad nauseum, but I re-watched an early episode of Moonlighting recently and your performance was every bit as amazing as I remembered twenty tears ago: you almost literally leap off the screen. I used your lines (and delivery) to pick up SO many girls over the years - I owe you.
Bees still bee and bears still bear, by the way.
Anyhow - I'm pretty sure you'll have run to the hills since the mainstream media have picked up on your (possibly unwise) venture into AICN messageboardom, but thought I'd give it a shot anyway.
Kind regards,
Me.
PS: Oh yeah - final sentence: Being a real-life P.I. SUCKS! No BMW, no cool office, and no cute blonde to spar with. Actually, it reminds me a wee bit of The Last Boy Scout... -
DieHard With a Vengeance was a '15'certificate in the UK - pretty much equivalent to a PG-13.
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We can go round and round a million times but it is a case of the 'casuals' taking one viewpoint, and the 'seen the original Die Hard in multiplication of dozens' taking another.
Still to be honest when I read about internet terrorists and the Mac kid being cast and then Kevin Smith (like his films, but as an actor in a Die Hard movie?) my expectations dropped pretty low. If this turns out a solid piece of action fluff I will be OK with that, but I just can't imagine a PG-13 Die Hard that would be a true companion piece to the original... -
Hey Bruce, I couldn't help but to notice you wrote jewels such as this on previous messages:
"But I produced DH4 because I felt I was "the Keeper of the Keys" of the Franchise."
Yeah, too bad John McTiernan lost said keys, that's unfortunately why we have to sit and see how a dumb asshole such as you ruin a franchise that would have started with or without you.
But if you don't want to make a fifth one, Bruce, then I must say that, in the end, you got something good out of this: it's going to be the first time ever we won't want to see another Die Hard.
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Learn how it's done, Bruce:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rx6i090FGzQ
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throb... I have no idea where I am going with this...
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Well Vern if you can't see the Transformers too well in the pictures take a look at the latest trailer that's come out in HD. Just go to the Yahoo Movies section, you can see them pretty well there. No one who sees that can deny it looks like it's gonna be a badass movie.
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The monster is right, ROBOCOP is not PG-13. In fact, the version on DVD now is the director's cut, which had to be censored in order to get the R-rating to play in theaters. What you were probaly looking at was ROBOCOP 3, the widely despised sequel. That one did tone the series down to a PG-13 and in all the years since I have never heard of a single person who liked it. (I haven't seen it.)
Some of the movies you listed are good. Some of them are terrible. None of them have a tone anything like DIE HARD. There is a difference between swordfighting a magic skeleton and hanging a terrorist on a chain saying you want to eat him. That difference also happens to change the rating.
I'm gonna see the movie thanks to Walter B's personal guarantee that I would like it. I'm hoping I'll enjoy it. But there's no getting around that this was a ridiculous decision. And Alonzo is right, nobody who is very familiar with the original DIE HARD would try to claim that it's the same as a Pirates of the Caribbean movie or THE MUMMY. You should do yourself a favor and watch it some time soon. You won't regret it. -
and you know it. The tone of his aswers is so meh, it gave me a PG13 flu. I mean, in Krack`s compilation basically all the questions are better. And then the shit with international pick of the crop. So obviously fake it stinks. The only thing missing in them is, I apologise for my bad english. It ain`t even funny. I won`t enter discussions there, but man half the stuff he already answered before, half is completely useless and the one about Bay is... well he got pwned by Bay, is the way I see it and he said stuff to apeal to Bay haters here, read 95% of aicn TBers. Also he chilled on Joel Silver comments, using initials, I guess lawyers advice. That sucks a lot.But it was holy while we had the original TB time with him and that will stay with us who were there forewer. Vern, I see your defending of TB outlet and there`s more to it than just basement kids as trully great. I loved Walter for coming out, but ultimately I feel disapointed in him. I don`t think howewer that Bruce is doing anything else here than fulfiling contract obligation/raising box office/damage control/making money for him. And I do think he is making up to fox for Vanity Fair article.I think he wouldn`t do Rope because of the clear gay theme thats very obvious in that one. Might be uncool for his image.On best action trailer of 2007... That first half of John Rambo trailer is maybe the best thing I`ve seen in years. And he can act man. But second part has a DTV feel and I hope that`s not the case. Its R for sure, and I am glad we all love it, but First Blood is not same as the sequels and indeed Rambo is a different character in the sequels. Love to see him fishing and living remotely and having pet snakes. Would loved him bold and with the beard too, but retired green barets veterans still shave every day today. Let`s hope for a scene reminiscent of the one from FB when he breaks down at the end. That lifted that whole pic to cult status.
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I really like the whole setup of the trailer, and he certainly butchers some guys up real good, but I still have trepidations with that sequel. I enjoyed the others as a kid, but now, not so much. Rambo needs to show his human side, not just the robotic killing machine.Will I see LFDH? I'm still not sure if I'll see it in the theater. Will there be any great action movie this year??
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Hey Walter B,
It's your biggest fan here. Just wanted to give my support, I'm counting down the days until DH4. PG13 or R, it's JOHN MCCLANE! Who cares!? No one can say they don't want to see what comes of all this waiting for the 4th. Butch Kaplan was just telling me what a stand up guy you are and I really hope we can work on a film sometime in the future. Keep the good stuff coming, your true fans don't care about the ratings, we know you make one hell of a movie!
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Nice try Julie, but Bruce ain't giving you a part in his next movie. I bet she doesn't even know Die Hard 1 was in a building.
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Rambo's not gonna break down again like in the first one. He is now a wise retired older guy now. But it looks real cool. Let's just hope he doesn't do a sequel to Judge Dredd next :D
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Bruce,
LIVE FREE or DIE HARD looks great!
I will be first in line June 27th to see it!
Sure is nice to see you somewhere on the web. Miss the OLD PLACE.
Finding lots of THE SPONGE BOB GANG ON MYSPACE.
I have a couple pages there. One of course is TRIBUTE to YOU, my Jersey Boy Pal!
Hope to catch you in here to say HAY sometime!
Maybe see you in Canada the end of July...if Tickets become available. No luck yet, but I won't give up!
WHAT HAPPENS IN VEGAS....STAYS IN VEGAS!!
Say HAY to Doc. Brown from me!!!
Your Pal
Cookieee
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first post here when I begun reading the thread. You have a distinct way of writing I remember from the old site. I sure miss the old site and people. I have seen a few on Morgans site. I love my Vegas picture and memories. Those were fun days werent they? I cant wait for LForDH, no matter what the rating. Why they rate movies on how many fucks there are amazes me. There are lots of fucks everywhere you go these days. Great to see you again Alison
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The script is, like DH3, a pre-existing script shoehorned into a McClane vehicle... This time the original script was written as a followup to 'Enemy of the State'...
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and maybe Walter said fuck few times but basicaly copletely wrong script for action of DH caliber. Excelent. I can now move on with my life and stop thinking about Die **** 4 untill it comes to cable tv. Thanx Alonso for the scoop.Brown noses can continue with their posts. You`ll get nowhere. 2nd day of release 60%drop. Look up Grindhouse for better understanding of actual boxoffice development for DHINO.
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I heard the opposite. The DH4 script was thought up as a DH and written as a DH. Then Len Wiseman came in and rearranged/took out some stuff to better fit the DH formula. This is the first DH movie to actually be written as a DH movie.
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"This is the first Die Hard movie to be written as a Die Hard film from the start. Die Hard was originally to be the sequel to Commando and adapted from the novel Nothing Lasts for Ever. Die Hard 2 was based on a novel called 58 Minutes, and Die Hard with a Vengenance started off as a script for the third Lethal Weapon." Actually, I found innacuracies in that just now. But that is not where I got my information from. I just found that now.
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...the fact that I found that on IMDb. And one correction on that trivia thing: Die Hard with a Vengeance was actually written as an original action movie, but not a Die Hard or third Lethal Weapon. It later was turned into a DH movie. The whole movie up until the scene in the van with the FBI is the original (non Die Hard) script verbatum, minus changing around character names.
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"Eventually the company landed on a script that had been written by David Marconi as a follow-up to his 1998 action hit, “Enemy of the State.” That script, which had terrorists flying a jumbo jet into Manhattan by remote control, had been shelved after the 9/11 attacks. Mr. Marconi now shares story credit with Mr. Bomback, who retooled the premise, working with Mr. Willis, who is a producer of the new film, and Len Wiseman (“Underworld”), its director."
http://tinyurl.com/2fyypm
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Look, Lets face facts....not only is this film pretty much the final sum of three previously kickass movies, Its putting a good ending to a good story. Now as far as Justin Long in it...meh...Justins cool....but he is not the " best " choice....just like the even stevens kid in transformers...what the hell.
Bruce, You have always been a kickass actor. I love movies for the artwork that they are, NOT ONLY because its JUST from the directors view or the editors. But for the sheer amount of work that goes into making these things.
Ratings aside, I could care less if John McFuckinClizzane was a ghetto hood rat in a god damned barney suit...I'd still pay 12 bucks to watch it.
When you understand what goes on with these deals, you realize all of the combined energy, time and money that went into this thing. Do you honestly think Bruce would have taken on this project had he not thought it was a good Idea? yeah actors have some tuff choices, but jebus christos think about it before you fucking rant about shit Just because when the bill gets put on the table, its all about the fun and the time you had making, being a part of or just watching and being one of the treasured audience members of the film.
Personally, I am going into the theater with a very open mind, just like I did before....and I was not let down a single time.
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Everybody good? Anybody need anything? Okay, good to see everybody.
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...or to not appear sexist, The city of perpetually wet vagina; doing full time soaking of Prada skirts(and pants, for the pants wearing ladies) to the extent of the stains not being possible to clean after one use, so that gray would have to become the new black as to cover them(unless you are super powerful and wear it only once for a few hours, than send it to Katrina relief). Come to think of it, gray would show dark wet stain while in public which is definitely not good, so maybe there is a need for a black/gray luminance shifting skirts(ladies pants too), as a solution to this pressing problem, but maybe better left to fashion experts or for some other occasion.Since I think with a penis I will write this composition from the private`s dick perspective, which will suit(custom made), men/boys and androgynous readers(oh the double fun!), but women/girls should feel comfortable substituting the word "boner" with "wet vagina" where encountered, while sex change into woman subjects might read this peace from the nostalgic POV(that`s for Point Of View, for the bean-counters among you). I guess sex change into man subjects are already accommodated. But if feeling the need for some nostalgia can off course substitute word "boner" for "wet vagina".So, back to...THE CITY OF THE PERPETUAL BONEROnce upon a time there was a barn by the sea. And a few huts. And if you came there with a bit of money, you could run people up and down in front of film camera until they died(ah the good ol` days). And tell the story you wanted. And it gave you a boner. Which you could use constantly until you had to work some more. And it gave boners to people involved in the profit sharing, as well and to the audiences around the globe as well. While that place expanded, so did the amount of people wanting to get boners while making movies and telling stories. Also making money was of supreme importance, but unless you told a story and told it well, you didn`t get a boner and chance to use it. The constant overachieving made it a boner capital of the world in no time.Stories were being told in bigger and better ways, making more and more money, resulting in ever growing, ever present boners. All this was happening on a unwritten rule, that you had a story to tell. And actually liked movies. And movie-making. And filmmakers. Yes they were always to be held back and controlled, the bloody lot, but one had to agree, darn did they tell stories well. And how! Boners all round.Than one day people started arriving into town, hearing of constant boners, wanting them, but despising film, and storytelling, or at least seeing it as the evil part of the path to riches and holly boners. So slowly, but surely, they multiplied. The movement went unnoticed for years by the old skull boner aficionados, but eventually it went mainstream. These... Jawas, were getting boners not from film-making, but from deal-making. From actually sitting in a room for hours or days and making deals, changing movies into an afterthought, an unwanted variable. Story and quality became almost curse words. Slogans like "Highest weekend cume to date!" became revered higher than "Come on the first date!" ...the horror. Horror.The city continued to be the boner capital of the world, and money came bigger than all the basement masturbators combined. But OMFG, lo and behold the postillion, somehow the magic of intercourse was gone. It left people wandering from one deal to another, dealing maniacally, and on the fly (not dissimilar to rendering on the fly ,but with much more serious implications), anything to perpetuate the boner. Even if it didn`t have any practical use anymore. They became to be known as "the boner junkies".And the audience... turned into embarrassing zombies, who couldn't find a mall if you put them into one. They weren`t even able to tell anymore weather they were having a boner or not.The once happy blue planet rolled into a long and unlit tunnel...and there were persisting, haunting whispers of blood chilling words like "childhood" and "rape", the stone tablets also tell a story of mysterious "Die **** 4 PG 13" or "5 PG 9" or maybe "RPG", not sure which now,(Its all a fucking mystery, don`t you see, even the shooters don`t know who did it!!!), "flames", "nipples", "Henry Jones Jr. Jr.`s fuck-buddy VS Scorpion King`s adopted son`s lawyer" and many, many more... until one day all was engulfed in a thick, well maintained silence.That dark time was negotiated to be titled...THE AGE OF THE OPEN MIND
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^^^ You do splaffer some shit every noun again!!
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I will post here that I recently saw The Sorcerer for the first time, it is a 1977 flick starring Roy Scheider and a bunch of foreigners... Fascinating and very 70s movie, but what struck me was it took almost an hour, over the half-way point, to actually get to the main story. Can you imagine that in this day and age, spending all that time just building up character, motivation, atmosphere and background? It would never happen, because every film has to appeal to the 15-18 demographic even when it isn't a film for them. Those fuckers, who don't even have a job, are so damn powerful to the movie makers that every film has to be filtered to their criteria, whether it be the death of the slow moving building the tension 70s style flick or the pussying of the hard edge 80s style action flick (and you didn't think I would bring this rant back to topic... Fools).
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Hey there,
no matter if ur really Bruce Willis or not. I just wanted to say, I always was a big big Willis Fan and I nearly liked all of his movies.
I bought all three die hard special editions instead of a 3in1 box, cos I knew there will be a 4th part.
This one is a must-look and a must-have. I'll be in the next cinema on juni 27th... too bad I dont got the possibility for coming to berlin on the 18th...
John McClane is back :D
The movie CAN'T be great IT IS GREAT!!!! (ok, excepting McClane starts to dance in a pink dress and just wants to drink coffee or tea with those asses who kidnapped his daughter.)
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Jun 05, 2007 1:31:33 AM CDT
The Sorcerer and Walter`s cluelesness on great sequel
by 9banned0.5furious
Alonso!!! man, thats one of my favourite movies and one of the permanent colection on my laptop that goes with me everywhere. Its actually a remake of an excelent B/W 50s french film "Wages of fear", that`s paradoxicaly much more "hollywood" acount of the great book of the same name. Regardles, I don`t think the movie has aged much, since it takes place in setting that today is still the same. Althou I think Steve McQueen is the closest thing to supernatural being caught on film, and he was seeked by Friedkin to star in it, I must say that he would be wrong for this picture, because he would bring too much coolness and starpower to it. It would detract from the very low key presence of these characters.On the point of taking time for the setup of characters, yes, yes indeed. Who the hell has the guts today set up characters, setting and all to then really feel the gravity of situations once the shit hits the fan. And its not just 70`s pics. Lets take original Die Hard. Takagi dies 17 minutes in!!! Nothing of "action" happens untill then and even that is more of a shock thing than action scene. That movie builds up veeeery slowly and just grows and grows and grows...I pointed out that to Walter who showed his complete ignorance of what makes a great sequel, when he said "Die Hard needed a lot of buildup, as it was the first movie. When you see a sequel, you are not seeing a new movie, but rather another episode of a movie you have already seen. There hasn't been a need to introduce MaClane to the audience, because the audience knows him." I let that one slip than, but WTF!? Have you heard of a little pic called ALIENS?Alien had a loooong set up, but sequel had is as well. Just totaly different. There is NO action until 50-55 minutes in. It is BECAUSE we already know the characters(s) and the type of the movie that we`re there to see, we prepared to spend time with "no action" but more for getting the complete lifestyle of the specific movie to engulf us.(see also "Better Tomorow 2" as a good example). Its because we know what the original movie`s quality was that our asses are in the seats. We know what comming eventually. And are willing, maybe even wanting to get all sorts of things BEFORE the breaks come of and mayhem untill the end is unleashed.That and the fact that he used Perfect Stranger to somehow argue the relevance of ratings and quality of Die **** 4, made me completely disregard his opinion as to this upcoming assembly line product.
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We love you here in Toronto...
I love you in the Sixth Sense...
Great actor...Great person...
Hey Bruno ...I have your record too..The Return of Bruno!!!
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there is NO Bruce here. He is in other spindoctored TB`s, that died quite unfamously. May I ask how you find this TB? Are you a Michael Bay site regulars or is it your job until the release of kidfriendly PG13 Die **** 4 without the "Yipika Yay Motherfucker" in it?
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There is some link to this TB out there and people pop up every now and again unaware of the whole history of this thread... Anyway glad to see you're a fan of The Sorcerer, I love that kind of picture, which was a very 70s thing. It is always fun to stumble on a flick you should have seen years ago, but somehow slipped through the cracks...
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I do believe that Brucie was here,
whats so hard to believe? he can visit this site like all of us can-can't he?
He is a human being at his home with his computer too-no?
Hi Brucie-love ya! and who the hell cares about a movie being labeled PG13--If you like it go see it-its that simple!
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And he is right about DH4, especially in light of what Alonzo said above. Inserting an existing character into some other movie doesn't work when he's John McClane. I have serious doubts that this will live up to being remotely close to the first one. On another note, just saw Lucky Number Slevin. So much talent in that movie, but just...okay, I guess. Bruce should have been more of a bad ass in that movie...sigh.
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Hey dude...
I am sorry for saying that but it just came across that way to me.
But now I see that your just stating your opinion.
Thanks Pillow talk...for bringing it to my attention..I have no problem admitting when I am wrong and apologizing for it.
Anyhoo... I am looking forward to DH4.. and all the action that it is known for...Later movie dudes.
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people are not just dropping by randomly from "out there" but have a very definite agenda as this posters shows, first is all like innocent hiii brucie, here`s my snatch for you, but it quickly turns into, oooh noone cares about PG13, it all good, you know, open mind and give us your money to legitimise death of action cinema an complain later. So, as you all can see, this person has a very clear idea as to what is this talkback about and is doing its job of spindoctoring the idiots to go and see crap PG 13 Die **** 4 without the "Yipika Yay motherfucker" line in it. As confirmed by Bruce many posts up there. Sooo... Yipika yay motherfucker!
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MissCanada...do you rescind your crown?
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hahaha what crown? I am just a simple girl in Toronto...
As for that other message by Alonso--Hey what are you trying to pull? I am not offering no snatch-are you crazy? I am not like that..... I believe in good old fashioned values! I am under no agenda either.. No idea what you are talking about but I do know that it is no big deal if your fave movie that you've been waiting for is labeled PG13--so what Isn't it Brucie that were all into? He is worth it! Hi Brucie
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and in the same breath she claims to not having agenda of trying to save DHINO from Grindhouse like perfomance at the BO? Come on, you can do better than that for the money they pay you for hanging here!
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"Brucie" needs to be "Bruce", and to be a bad ass. Naming a movie Die Hard and having Bruce in it, sadly, doesn't automatically make it a bad ass movie when it's only rated PG 13. Ta ta for now..um, "simple girl in Toronto".
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Apparently I can crash and burn without even doing the actual attempt... Behold my power... And 'snatch', really, 'snatch', would any self-respecting female refer to their polly pocket that way... Besides we all know Canadian pussy smells of moose and beer and hockey. PROVEN. SCIENTIFIC. FACT.
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First off, there is no moose here in Toronto... Second who doesn't like beer and hockey?!! Yum Yum!!lol..
Oh and I wish I was being paid for my comments.
Hey Howard can you start me on the payroll? LOL!!!
oh yeah and Alonzo: Like who are you anyways?
You know its people like you who make this world become full of hate..Are you related to George Bush in any way?..You are so mean.
I have every right to post here if I wish... doesn't give you any right to verbally attack me....How immature can you get?
(MissCanada polishes her tiara)
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she sounds like Powel in UN with his bottles and 3D presentations. Watch out for vagina its coming ito contact with sand now.Alonso, how the hell does hokey smell man? Explain yourself:) I only had experience with anglo canadian chick that smelled of redbull&vodka and she bit my shoulder after being unable to hold the argument. I had marks like for more than a month, bloody animal. The one french canadian I met had much better figure and maners and smell altogether. Notice howewer that I can`t tell the smell of Lacrosse.
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I don't see why you had to call "Brucie" ignorant on the sequel topic. What he said is correct - at the beginning of a sequel you already know who John McClane is, there's nothing incorrect about that. I think one of the best sequels, probaly THE best sequel in many, many years is BLADE 2. And one reason why that movie is so great is because the first one has already explained who Blade is and at the beginning BAM!, it's Blade. You already know what you're in for. In fact, he explains who he is in about a sentence or two of voiceover. "They call me the Daywalker..." And then he starts killing vampires.
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arguments to defend PG13 abortions. That Perfect Stranger argument maybe got me as well. I too think Die Harder went ok, BAM straight into it from nowhere but still got lost later somewhere... There is things like good action storytelling and "bam from start to finish" has never been one for that. Unless you are there for more of a popcorn experience sequlitis, then I guess is OK. It takes lots of talent and guts to hold of on action and then unleash inferno, but Len Wiseman simply doesn`t qualify here.Action movies is not only about constant action but also concerns pacing and taking care of various character stakes, as well as foreshadowing and payoff. Blade2 has nothing on Aliens or Better Tommorow2, but I faintly remeber that I did enjoy watching it. I like Blade 2 opening scene a lot but actually can`t remember anything else from that film. Its also pretty irrelevant in our weekly Camus-reading club.At least "Brucie" confirmed there WON`T be "Yipika Yay motherfucker" line in it and that they basically knew Die **** 4 will be PG13 in advance, ergo NOT a Die Hard pic and NO John MCClane either(only a lookalike), so... I guess I should mostly treat him nice. Mostly.
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MySpace friends, which makes me automaticaly right on anything. And better than everybody else.
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Thank-you, 9banned0.furious
Everybody, is talking but we all know in the end that everybody here will go see DH4 when it comes out.....you just can't resist...PG13 or not.....Brucie is prime steak quality.
(MissCanada reigns again)
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...up to the neck in it now. Sand getting into nostrils and shit.Is it fulfilling as you thought it would be posing as a woman, or is it more of preparation before you do an El Watchovski on yourself? (its rhetorical, don`t bother)Lucky for us Walter B confirmed there WON`T be "Yipika Yay motherfucker" line in it and that they basically knew Die **** 4 will be PG13 in advance, ergo NOT a Die Hard film and NO John MCClane either(only a lookalike). So money savings all over the place. Most will welcome it too, for multiple Transfomers viewing.
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Ta-Ta!Bad math guy...no matter what this is rated, I would choose this over Transformers. Even if it was rated god damn 'G'...ain't no way I'll watch more Bay crap.
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Seriously, first she accuses me of hitting on her, when I did no such thing, and now I am accused of starting some hate crime against her. I suppose it means she must be female, to have that level of irrationality ;)
Anyway back to the real discussion, a sequel doesn't need to reestablish the character from scratch. However, the character should react the way he did in the first, unless he is exhibiting signs of change that have occurred as a result of the growth of his character. And action heroes rarely grow that much anyway.
Really the world didn't need more DH movies, the first nailed it, and you are never going to catch lightning twice. However it was always going to happen, so you just hope for something that is fun and doesn't piss on the memory of the original. I am on record many times stating that I think the original DH is the best big budget Hollywood action flick of all time, it has everything such a film needs.
It has a great cast, from McClane to Bonnie to Ellis to the Henchmen to Gruber to Sgt. Powell, you could not have cast them better. And each character is a little slice of excellence. It also manages to have a fine comedic undertone, without falling into the trap of being a comedy. It has plenty of big set piece action sequences, but it is mainly an intimate battles between McClane and individual or small groups of bad guys. McClane isn't fucking Superman, he is just a guy who wants his family back who gets stuck in the middle of some shit and does what he has to do. And that is the most important thing. McClane for all his toughness is failing at the one thing that matters most, at being a father and being a husband. At its heart this film is about him trying to make that right. Everything else is just a distraction. It is because this 'ordinary guy' stuff works so well, that Die Hard is a masterpiece...
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hush hush and strictly off the record cushion baby... Offcourse I know what are you saying and Bay is what it is, is just to make Fox tools uncomfortable. No need to be upset. Althou bloody G Die Hard!? Are you on `shrooms? That would be like... I don`t know, maybe Vern working for Nickolodion?Alonso, I "attacked" the tool but it can`t follow the confusing TB so you got blamed. Sorry dude.
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to see a Bay movie. And it might as well be rated 'G' since I'm pretty much assuming this will be another run-of-the-mill action movie of the past decade. Don't give Vern ideas...he could change the face of kids' television forever!
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On my way to st ives i met a man with 7 wives... etc
or
my personal favourite, "simon the pieman went to the fair and said give me your pies, or i'll cave your head in" :)
also, get your hairy arse on skype!
www.skype.com
and add
simoncf24
Ta very much!
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Cushionlover... when I first saw Bad Boys, I termed Bay`s style as "Action Tea Cup", you know, that he would shoot for instance grandma in the backyard enjoying her afternoon tea with a fellow retiree as the whole thing is going to explode anytime now. ATC only worked in The Rock, sort off, I think, probably because of Don Simpson`s involvment, but seriously on the way to Bruckheimer teritorry.It will be ultimatelly forgetable run of the mill Die **** experience, I concure. They should rate it "G". So they can tap into Shrek 3/Ratatuile`s audience. They surely have no idea what Die Hard really is and would swallow it faster than asian boys on a studio parkinglot.
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And what sucks even more, when will there be another great action movie? I'm sick of this shit called Crank, Marine, and any other bullshit action movie that has come out. I was hoping, nay..praying, that this next Die Hard would be worth something. I still hope (no matter how small) that this movie will surprise me. Fuck.
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there is few directors who are actually able to pull of a kick ass action movie, and they don`t work much. Verhoeven, McTiernan, Cameron, Greengrass and... eee...hmm... and... help me here...Gibson, Donner maybe still(I got ill during Timeline), maybe an 1,2 asian guys but who not sure...we are basically done for a generation I guess.(there`s no actors either) Anyway its corporate film/storytelling for long time now, meaning everything will more or less suck or be just lame when we get lucky.
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I do love the Bourne movies...and I have yet to see Apocalypto, but Gibson does do violence pretty well. I can't stand slow-mo Woo. Perhaps we are just in a down cycle and it'll come back. Or not. Maybe we are doomed with Night at the Museums and Wild Hogs...
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you saying you can`t stand Hard Boiled(!!!!!!) either and other HK stuff... or just shit he`s been making in america? That made me sick of him too.
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Moral of the story almost pissed off...don't stray from what ya know HK style...
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Moral of the story almost pissed off...don't stray from what ya know HK style...
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and yet the A was left off in the first one...It's MissCanada's fault.
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we don`t want to come into topten.Alonso forgot to mention the perfect casting of Agent Johnson. No the other one. + the joy of "...now the hostages are starting to bond with the terorists, experiencing the Helsinki syndrom." TV guy: "As in Helsinki, Sweden." I love Die Hard.
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from the pile before it gets lost. Krack did good to include it in his "great question compilation" as did Vern for posting it... just fascinating and unique...About the bass player in the grammy nominated band Death Cab for Cutie. He says when he was 14 years old he idolized you and bumped into you on a ski slope in Idaho and after telling you this you told him to "fuck off". And then, when he was 30 taking part in a Rolling Stone cover shoot with Bruce Springsteen and Pearl Jam for the Vote for Change tour, he came out of the hotel they put him up in feeling pretty good about himself and as you walked into the same hotel he figured, remembering the time when you hurt his feelings when he was a kid, he'd put it aside and try again. So this time he says "Hi" and yet again you told him to fuck off. Why do you keep telling Nick Harmer to fuck off when he is the nicest bass player in all of rock music? And do you do that a lot to kids?
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I'm pretty sure we'll never get an answer to that one...don't worry dude, I received ten lashes for the double post.As is the case in all great movies, it's the smaller parts that are gold that enable a movie to be the cream of the top.
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Hey, You miss me? hahahha
I miss you guys!
Not sure about any of the stuff you guys are all serious chatting about but oh well! lol Why get all worked up about nothing?
Does any of it matter like which director did this and who told who to f%^$k off-like who cares?!!! Just enjoy life cause it is short!-No?
By the way I do love Mel Gibson and his theories that he was raised with from his dad--about the way the world is now.... and who is ruling it-- I love his vision style as in the Passion--being a Roman Catholic Italian girl. Yeah he's cool.
He is one dude I would love to talk to....
Anyhoo, I forgive you all for everything you said about me simple because its not worth the extra stress typing some stupid comeback...Anyways gotta go to sleep cause I have to go to some fundraiser at Casino Rama.....tom.
Later yippee kai yays....
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being completely submerged in quicksand, head tilted backwards, not visible, only mouth open upwards, as to resemble a golf hole. It saying some random words, while waiting for any executive to drop by and do some push ups with his pants down. Bon Apetit Ellis!Lets have favorite DH details here; One I also highly regard is when Al Leong takes up post to defend against the police assault in the candy stand.(I iclude the image for the ignorant tools.)http://tinyurl.com/yt6vfx
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Okay 9banned you got me....
What on earth are you talking about? Who are Ellis and Len and Al? and should I know them?
I am trying so hard to connect with you people but ... and what do you mean by "tool"?
I am sorry but I think I just see dead people.
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and we won`t hold anything against you, OK? OK.
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...on making Black Book..."Artistically, of course, it was paradise," Verhoeven says of filming in Europe, "because nobody told me 'This is too violent or too sexy, too many breasts, too much this, too much that.' We had the script, and the producers said, 'Good, let's shoot this.' "Its quite obvious he would never touch Die****4. I wish they got him for I am legend.
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...on making Black Book..."Artistically, of course, it was paradise," Verhoeven says of filming in Europe, "because nobody told me 'This is too violent or too sexy, too many breasts, too much this, too much that.' We had the script, and the producers said, 'Good, let's shoot this.' "Its quite obvious he would never touch Die****4. I wish they got him for I am legend.
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Jun 10, 2007 7:21:48 AM CDT
Its quite crazy, but there is a pattern to spam guy
by 9banned0.5furious
every time the tool dissapears there comes the spam asshole with longer and longer stuff as in to put geater distance between what has benn well said before.You will fail.
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from the pile before it gets lost. Krack did good to include it in his "great question compilation" as did Vern for posting it... just fascinating and unique...About the bass player in the grammy nominated band Death Cab for Cutie. He says when he was 14 years old he idolized you and bumped into you on a ski slope in Idaho and after telling you this you told him to "fuck off". And then, when he was 30 taking part in a Rolling Stone cover shoot with Bruce Springsteen and Pearl Jam for the Vote for Change tour, he came out of the hotel they put him up in feeling pretty good about himself and as you walked into the same hotel he figured, remembering the time when you hurt his feelings when he was a kid, he'd put it aside and try again. So this time he says "Hi" and yet again you told him to fuck off. Why do you keep telling Nick Harmer to fuck off when he is the nicest bass player in all of rock music? And do you do that a lot to kids?combined with beeing "above" the strike few years back it surely doesn`t paint a pic of the man we think "Brucie" is...ts ts ts
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I will have to punish myself for excesive posting. Or get someone to do it for me. Hey, Watchovski! Can you recomend someone?
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I love his posts...
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William Shatner can taser you as part of his 'negotiation'.
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Did I miss something or did Walter just vanish?
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I guess this has to be posted again...About the bass player in the grammy nominated band Death Cab for Cutie. He says when he was 14 years old he idolized you and bumped into you on a ski slope in Idaho and after telling you this you told him to "fuck off". And then, when he was 30 taking part in a Rolling Stone cover shoot with Bruce Springsteen and Pearl Jam for the Vote for Change tour, he came out of the hotel they put him up in feeling pretty good about himself and as you walked into the same hotel he figured, remembering the time when you hurt his feelings when he was a kid, he'd put it aside and try again. So this time he says "Hi" and yet again you told him to fuck off. Why do you keep telling Nick Harmer to fuck off when he is the nicest bass player in all of rock music? And do you do that a lot to kids?I don` remeber a spamer before on AICN, it must be Fox really have Gridhouse performance expectation for this betrayal of action cinema. Ah, ya...
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hopefully there will be some disciplininiseizing done... ninizing!
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a la numbers guy?So what is the deal with the trailers for this on TV saying "this film is not yet rated"??? What, is there a chance it'll just be rated PG???????
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My God 9banned!! you are like obsessed with posting and not only obsessed --you are obsessed with that stupid post....
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in a film and lost," Willis said. (Did you fight them a lot off screen,huh? Scorpios can be nasty yes. Hopefully not some female bass player:))...a planned cyber-terror attack on the United States, with Willis teaming up with Justin Long, who plays a computer hacker, to thwart the evil Mai, Hong Kong star Maggie Quigley, who is better known as Maggie Q.---BARFSo is Maggie Q in the place of Alan Rckman`s Hans Gruber of the righhand Karl...not sure what makes me more sick. BLJACK BARF and EWW. What kind of POS is this!?and... must... try... to ... move... on... from... trauma... but... can`t... yetttt... arrrrggghhhh... Liiiisaaaaa... About the bass player in the grammy nominated band Death Cab for Cutie. He says when he was 14 years old he idolized you and bumped into you on a ski slope in Idaho and after telling you this you told him to "fuck off". And then, when he was 30 taking part in a Rolling Stone cover shoot with Bruce Springsteen and Pearl Jam for the Vote for Change tour, he came out of the hotel they put him up in feeling pretty good about himself and as you walked into the same hotel he figured, remembering the time when you hurt his feelings when he was a kid, he'd put it aside and try again. So this time he says "Hi" and yet again you told him to fuck off. Why do you keep telling Nick Harmer to fuck off when he is the nicest bass player in all of rock music? And do you do that a lot to kids?
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will turn out to have more personality then Q`s Mai characater.a pic of Uli. Hehe Uli... hehe...hehe...http://tinyurl.com/yt6vfx
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never bet against Uli...Can you post that wonderful question regarding the bass player? MissCanada wants to read it again.
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so will see if it changes as we near the match or something. pillow... I`ll post the bass player`s question here, then you can just select the text(holding the mouse button and going from begining to end or vice versa but not vice squad) than you press CTRL+C for copy and then you click the mouse inside your comment box and press CTRL+V to paste the selected text. So YOU can post it for her if you are so interested in posting it.About the bass player in the grammy nominated band Death Cab for Cutie. He says when he was 14 years old he idolized you and bumped into you on a ski slope in Idaho and after telling you this you told him to "fuck off". And then, when he was 30 taking part in a Rolling Stone cover shoot with Bruce Springsteen and Pearl Jam for the Vote for Change tour, he came out of the hotel they put him up in feeling pretty good about himself and as you walked into the same hotel he figured, remembering the time when you hurt his feelings when he was a kid, he'd put it aside and try again. So this time he says "Hi" and yet again you told him to fuck off. Why do you keep telling Nick Harmer to fuck off when he is the nicest bass player in all of rock music? And do you do that a lot to kids?
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Now then...there's some kid playing...get ready for it..."slacker kid". Oh the fun to be had when he shows up in DH4.
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to heal myself from all this and other crap as well. I wish the true afficionados of original Die Hard and its spirit all the best in life and such. Vern, pillow and Alonso in particular. I see Die **** 4 floping and destroying the Die Hard myth in its wake. Kinda like prequels did it for Star Wars. Oh, wait, that was the same studio. Thank you Fox. Really, thank you. You have about 48 hours to steer this TB in some crap direction without my involvement.Before I make the step to spititual fulfillment... I have one thing for the fans of Nick Harmer... Brucie... about the bass player in the grammy nominated band Death Cab for Cutie. He says when he was 14 years old he idolized you and bumped into you on a ski slope in Idaho and after telling you this you told him to "fuck off". And then, when he was 30 taking part in a Rolling Stone cover shoot with Bruce Springsteen and Pearl Jam for the Vote for Change tour, he came out of the hotel they put him up in feeling pretty good about himself and as you walked into the same hotel he figured, remembering the time when you hurt his feelings when he was a kid, he'd put it aside and try again. So this time he says "Hi" and yet again you told him to fuck off. Why do you keep telling Nick Harmer to fuck off when he is the nicest bass player in all of rock music? And do you do that a lot to kids?stay sharp guys.Go Uli!!!
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Yes I am and my evil twin is taking over... watch out Nine..
hahahha I have never fought against a man before...
Omg ...I can't wait to go see Die Hard 4!!! Love ya Brucie..Ta ta for now all...Muah!!
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no way dude...there will be no slacker kids on this TB
by just pillow talk
A viligent eye will be kept, after all, we have the power of Uli.
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About the bass player in the grammy nominated band Death Cab for Cutie. He says when he was 14 years old he idolized you and bumped into you on a ski slope in Idaho and after telling you this you told him to "fuck off". And then, when he was 30 taking part in a Rolling Stone cover shoot with Bruce Springsteen and Pearl Jam for the Vote for Change tour, he came out of the hotel they put him up in feeling pretty good about himself and as you walked into the same hotel he figured, remembering the time when you hurt his feelings when he was a kid, he'd put it aside and try again. So this time he says "Hi" and yet again you told him to fuck off. Why do you keep telling Nick Harmer to fuck off when he is the nicest bass player in all of rock music? And do you do that a lot to kids?
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Okay, like that is so overdone!!!!
but I don't have to read it.
hahahahhahaha.
I just wanted to say that...I saw a preview on tv for DH4 and it looks kickass!!! and yes Brucie...you are so handsome-We Canucks love ya!!! We welcome you here anytime--Come to Toronto!!!
Oh and don't bother with these dudes on this talkback..they are soooo wierd..who knows what they are going on about? Just enjoy life and all its luxuries...like fishing and bar-b-q's and my personal fave: the chocolatini.
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It is the tip of my penis... And you have no rhythm...
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or while I was gone did an evil robot start posting gibberish about MP3s, and then the gal from Canada said that she agreed with Mel Gibson's dad about Jews? I think this talkback still has an outside chance of summoning Demon Dave.
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Alonzo, I thought it was in reference to "her" penis?Vern, that's great. See MissCanada, they have a pink Ellis shirt all for you.
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now stand proudly atop Vern's homepage...
Hey, maybe we could have a prequel, all about Ellis... We could see him having breakfast while simultaneously doing a million dollar deal... We could see the coke, the hookers, and the reality of the sad shell of a yuppie life... We could see the possibility of redemption in a reuniting with his estranged father, but it doesn't happen, and he then goes off to work on that fateful day.... I smell straight to video flop of the highest order... Someone get me Fox... -
to display at work. After all, the word needs to be spread, and there's no better place than at a corporation.
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I wish i had ichat lol. Stupid PC and i always wanted to communicate with Bruce, saw this in Swedish newspaper about the iChat thing, cool.
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I know its a very touchy issue for you people...
And its typical how you point the finger at someone you feel is a threat.
I think Mel Gibson, and his father have they're reasons for feeling the way they do.
I think he is a great filmaker and he portrays things as they are. Others are allowed to have they're opinions and whether you like it or not, it will happen.
I read the "Don't be Ellis" character profile and it sounds like alot of people I know and keep away from....Greed$$ being one of the things I see, in alot of those-- people.
Hey not everyone likes Italians--what am I going to do about it?...
CRY....SO what. Take it.Its called get a backbone.
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Not that I need to justify myself in any way...
But most of my friends are Jews..
and the way they treat people at times pisses me off... they have no regard for others and are very selfish....(ELLIS)but they also show that they care for me too and look out for me.
I guess what I am saying...is that there is good and bad in every race---Everyone feels this way they are just to chicken shit to talk about it.
I am not afraid to talk about it ...Some people don't like Asians ... will they say it--Probably not...I will... Brutal Honesty is the way I am.
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http://tinyurl.com/2fv4cz
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Sorry about that Jews, I didn't know the talkback was headed in this direction. Miss Canada, you should know that the way you feel about Jews is the way human beings feel about you. If you want us to hook you up with Bruce Willis you're gonna have to heal yourself first and then do some sort of a tearful interview. Otherwise you're out of luck lady, no bigots allowed in PG-13 Die Hard talkback.
Thanks for admitting it though, that is the first step to recovery, the next step is directing APOCALYPTO.
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Totally this film is needed, Alonso...."a prequel, all about Ellis... We could see him having breakfast while simultaneously doing a million dollar deal... We could see the coke, the hookers, and the reality of the sad shell of a yuppie life... We could see the possibility of redemption"...Only additioan and altering I suggest is that Ellis is in fact Ellis junior, who aspires to be as much asshole as his dad. Usually complete assholes when together, especially at the family dinners. Their rich home, also has mom, who is already 6,7 Bacardies ahead when they are seated and Ellis`s younger sister. The obsessed artist and intelectual, not unlike Julianne Moore`s Maude Lebowski. She engages in insane debates with the male half the family.Ellis Jr. starts to change for the better when he goes out with Holly Gennero a few times. They even plan the cristmas party together. And then it comes, that fatal day... The movie ends with happy end of Ellis and Holly enjoying the completed office decorations before the guests start arriving...holding hands.I went trough a withdrawal... darn.The Dihadverse Dekalog: The Passage Trough DeathYou are in this street, in New Delhi. Its hardly 15 feet wide, usually 12 or less. Both sides are wall to wall shops, shops, hotels, restaurants and more shops. They all have stands in front of their busines. Live stock, bycicles, motorbikes, cars and rikshas litter the poor road. Oh I forgot to mention people. There is so many, you can`t see anything else. Beside shops.Its High noon, city is deadlocked in bumper to bumper traffic jam. The latest reading is 105.00° Fahrenheit. A dangerous convict gets rescued in daring attack and escapes from a heavily protected police transport. The only way to the safe side is down this full packed road. They go on a mad dash/killing spree to get trough. Luckily John McLaine has been on duty in the escort car stuck one turn behind. The only fit cop left. He has to stop the killing and has less than 90 minutes to save the whole middle block which is also under a timebomb.Whole movie realtime in 105min. That movie could actually also fix Rock`s action career or make a new action star. Howewer, Walter B would rule that one.
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especially if those ones didn't have fangs...MissCanada, also forward your posts to any Asians that you know, though since you don't like them, you may not have any Asian friends. Seriously, do you smoke crack? Perhaps you should have the same situation except take place in Israel nine. You know, for MissCanada...Oh, and Ellis would be trying to grab Holly's ass, not holding hands.
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and somewhere an angel cries. And Ellis is fucking pissed.
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Ellis wins.
It does mention "intense scenes of violence" and language, but still. You can't draw a line and tell John McClane not to cross it. But that's what they did. The guy will walk over glass with bare feet and they won't even let him walk over something as silly as the two fuck-bombs rule. -
Not too much of a Die Hard fan, but loved your characters in "The 6th Sense", "The 5th Element" and "The Jackal."
Do you prefer the hardcore fullon, blow em up, shoot em' down acting, or the roles the provide you with more of a challenge, the 'touchyfeely' emotional type of characters?
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I hope you appreciate I made sure the can of coke was still in the frame I grabbed for you... I intentionally did that (a) because I love that touch in the movie and (b) I knew the spirit of Ellis would appreciate blatant product placement...
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We will allways have the first one.Ellis has won one more for the PG 13. A big one. The biggest.
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just not as intense as what it SHOULD be or what the first one brought to the dance. Ellis' corruption knows no bounds...
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one of the greatest DIE HARD lines, guess we wont hear McClane saying that again then.
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The fact that the cut that pleased Bruce Willis was only the rough cut. Which means that the violence that got Willis "to the edge of his seat" is probably NOT in the PG-13 version.
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I wish he would oome post in this talkback and tell us what is happening on the otherside of THE DOORWAY to TRUE EVIL...
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they are releasing Demon Dave's new one as a PG-13 too. It contains scenes of mild evil, chaotic language and brief demonic situations.
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That should be a question to Walter B for his Q&A. Did they really end up cutting all the great shit that you thought was in the movie to begin with, or were you just pulling our leg saying it was just as intense as the first one.
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Yeah, but I don't think there will ever be a round #2 in the Bruce Willis Q&A. And he would lie about it anyway since he's promoting the fucking thing.
My thoughts on this:
Bruce Willis is the only one to play John McClane. If he had left the project, it would have died. He had casting approval, he had director and script approval. Why is it rated PG-13, if he had that much influence and if he really was pissed about that decision?
He could have simply said: "Make this R-rated and true to the originals, or I quit."He knew from the start that it was going to be PG-13 for the kids (PG-13 meaning: suited for 6-year-olds guarded by their parents), he said it himself in this talkback. So why is it PG-13?
a) he doesn't give a fuck about it, because his paycheck is big enough. And what he wrote here and said to Vanity Fair was a huge lie.
b) he was pissed until he saw the rough cut, with a shitload of violence that got him "to the edge of his seat six times". Fox told him that this was within a PG-13 rating, so he stopped bitching about it. But in reality, this was still an R-rated cut, and they cut it down again while Bruce Willis was already flying around the world promoting the stuff.
Sounds like a fucking "Americans never landed on the moon" conspiracy, but it's 20th Century fucking Fox we're talking about here.
Whatever, a PG-13 Die Hard movie is a fucking joke. The most violent PG-13 movie is Casino Royale, and that was cut down in the US. The 12A version in the UK or the FSK-12 version in Germany contain much more violent stuff than the PG-13 cut of Casino Royale.Follow this link to see a comparison between the FSK-12 and the PG-13 version (it's from a German site but you will get the idea).
http://tinyurl.com/26fj8w
All those images you see are NOT in the US PG-13 version of Casino Royale.This gives you a very good idea on what to expect from a PG-13 Die Hard: NOTHING. The CUT DOWN US VERSION of Casino Royale was already BORDERLINE R. There's NO PG-13 movie more violent than Casino Royale. So this Die Hard 4 will be either less violent than Casino Royale, or just equal to it.And THAT'S a fucking tragedy. -
and, while I do think it's probably true that he's fucking with us, I'm also partially in denial. How could Bruce do this to us???Now, I love Casino Royale. I"m pissed that there's a more violent version that I haven't see though. And while it was a pretty intense Bond movie, it was a Bond movie. Not God damn Die Hard. And I firmly believe that this Die Hard will NOT be as violent as Casino Royale (the U.S. version, since of course that's the only one I've seen), so this is gonna be a pretty pansy version of Die Hard. There will be countless deaths 'off-screen', and that one fucking shot of McClane on the plane jumping off...?????????WHAT??????? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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However as he is dumb as a box of heavily radiated rocks his sleazy producer friend, SJ Bernheim (he went to college and bangs big titted myspace chicks) might edit it without telling him just to deny the world the TRUE EVIL it cries out for in return for a bigger slice of that key demographic...
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from what I could tell. That TB is just priceless...it's the golden fleece of TB's. I sure wish I was there (here) back then. It's too bad the whole post wasn't saved. Perhaps you should reach out to him Alonzo and make sure he's still fighting the good Demon fight?
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like 'with a vengence' then, the bbfc just confirmed it.
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How often does the UK give a "harder" rating than the U.S. does to the same movie? Or does this mean, like Casino Royale mentioned above, it will be a different cut that will be shown in the UK? WTF?
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No, it has the same rating as Transporter. The BBFC doesn't like Martial Arts, even if they are not intense and not bloody.
Casino Royale didn't have Martial Arts, hence it was rated 12A.
And Die Hard with a Vengeance was cut down in the UK, and all of the profanity was edited out, to receive a 15 rating. The uncut Die Hard 2 and the uncut Die Hard with a Vengeance are an BBFC 18.
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Yeah, for those car stunts and that martial arts fighting.
Transporter was 15 in the UK. The BBFC doesn't like martial arts violence. I myself found Casino Royale to be more intense than Transporter, but the BBFC doesn't think so. And since Maggi Q is in Die Hard 4 as this martial arts fighting chick, you can say for SURE why it's been rated 15. Not for real violence, only because of Kung-fu fighting. -
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Wow, so I guess good old Chuck Norris movies would have been cut down too. The Octagon would have been fucked. At least, thanks to Vern, I now can drink out of my "Don't be Ellis" mug. It's like I'm opening up a fortune cookie everyday with the same message...
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Jun 20, 2007 11:27:56 AM CDT
so that first review (suprise) confirmed worst fears...
by just pillow talk
They pussied out on everything. Oh, what, you weren't able to hear me over the motherfu(gunshot) gunshot?
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Jun 20, 2007 3:47:52 PM CDT
I think it was Frank Drebin, Police Squad! who said...
by nepomukproebstl
... I can't hear you! DON'T FIRE THE GUN WHILE YOU'RE TALKING!
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Jun 20, 2007 7:23:22 PM CDT
Yeah the hatred is flowing in the 2 TB on the frontpage
by alonzo mosely
Get ready for a stream of plant reviews, some negative reviews, some misguided reviews, a review by Harry that relates to his childhood/upcoming marriage/myspace friends number and utilizes imagery involving things no sane person wants to imagine. Mori will give it a dignified bashing, without real bite and Merrick and MiraJeff will give us reviews we skip over...
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The thing is, people at work are all looking forward to it, so I don't know. I think the general movie going audience doesn't remember what real action movies are like. Vern was talking about recent action movies/directors, and he mentioned Unleashed. I have to say that movie and Hero have some great fight/action scenes that are just great. I haven't seen The Protector, but I like my Jet Li when they, ahem, Unleash him.And I have to agree that Vern's review will be the only one that 'matters' on this site, because clearly he has the most passion for Die Hard, and what it means to be a Die Hard movie (obviously).
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Jun 21, 2007 6:21:10 PM CDT
As important as the director is, to me it is the script
by alonzo mosely
that makes or breaks a Die Hard movie... The fact is this was a script that was the sequel to Enemy of the State, people in Hollywood liked it, but it featured Terrorists, planes and NY so come 2001 it got thrown back in the pile until they needed a starting point for a new DH and they dug it out, dusted it off and had it retooled.
That means the action sequences, the beats, the skeleton is not DH, no matter how much flesh they have put on it to try and make it look like it is.
Of all the reviews thus far, the line that sticks with me is the one that claims this feels like a sequel to DHWAV, the same way as DH2 felt to the original, ie a much lesser retreading. Only thing was DHWAV was really not a Die Hard movie. It lacked everything bar the character of McClane that made Die Hard special, and as great a character as McClane is, he is not the be-all and end-all of Die Hard.
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but I just want to say that I'm not sure why everyone was in such disbelief that Willis would actually be posting on here. It seems like the perfect way to promote the new movie -- make headlines by being a big celebrity who actually talks to the common man. That and, I think if I were a celebrity, I'd do the same; just for the cheap thrill of giving people a cheap thrill. The misspellings provided some doubt but otherwise those questions of "Why would he be posting here" seem to have obvious answers: So that you'd talk about about it and see it in headlines and tell your friends and buy movie tickets.
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where he called Mori a 'kid'... I enjoy some of Mori's writings, but he has an ability to come across as amazingly pompous. I have no idea if he is or not in real life, but that is often the vibe I get when he gets on his high horse and puffs out his chest in a TB response, so seeing him proven wrong and dismissed out of hand by Bruce Freakin' Willis was a classic AICN moment, and exactly the kind of thing that keep me coming back to the TBs hoping for more of the same... That and my burning desire to find out what is really on the other side of THE DOORWAY to TRUE EVIL...
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The bitch is dead....Though Vern's review will probably be the most colorful and hit it on the head the best. I disagree though...if you are using the Die Hard name, it must be John McClane. No one else should be the hero. In this 'movie', there is no McClane, and that's a big problem. You are correct though Alonzo, in that the script has to put him in the right situation and the characterization has to be right. It just amazes me that they chose to use that script as a Die Hard movie.
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I will definitely be reviewing it, expect my review maybe on opening day, the 27th. I don't expect it's gonna be a fun review for you to read or for me to write though because realistically we are probaly dealing with something between "I feel like Bruce Willis stabbed me in my sleep" and "this is fun but I wanted a DIE HARD movie!" Oh well, you never know. I am hoping against hope to be surprised. But when you hope to be surprised it is hard to be surprised, it's kind of a catch-22. Hmmm.
I respect but disagree with you on the approach to scripting, Alonzo. I think we discussed this in email but it might've been somebody else. At first I was worried about the Enemy of the State thing but thinking about it I realized that the scripts have *never* started with McClane. The first one evolved from the Leland character in the book, and the script combined with Bruce's "Jersey attitude" or whatever equalled our man John McClane. The second was adapted from another, unrelated book, but adding in the DIE HARD characters like John, Holly and Al Powell. The third one was an unrelated script called SIMON SAYS retooled to be about McClane.
So, although if it were up to me they would've wrote it as DIE HARD from day 1, I don't think the retooling an unrelated script approach is necessarily a bad sign. This way they have the villainous plot in place, and they have whatever the other movie was, but then they have to see what happens when they put John McClane in there and rework it around that. It could work. It has so far. -
my point is that it can't be good. Well, at least it can't be "bad-ass", and that's not just because of the rating. The action genre has simply changed. Action movies are EXPECTED to be accessible to all, and not those gritty curse-filled flicks with blood running down the stars' faces half the time, as great as those were back in... the 90's? Hell, the only R-rated movies nowadays are torture-horror-porn movies. Everything else is expected to be family-friendly. People wouldn't accept it any other way these days. You have to understand that 90% of the US population reads Entertainment Weekly and the New York Post and AOL Movie Reviews, not aintitcool.com. In other words, 90% of the US is made up of moronic sheep. Which films succeed is left up to the masses. Maybe the industry itself is to blame for cultivating that, but nonetheless, it's here now.
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At least in-between me trying to sell you Viagra and convincing you I was Nigerian royalty...
Yeah you are probably right, although my initial point was that the reason the original Die Hard was so great was the script more than anything else, even the direction or cast...
If I remember correctly the script of Die Hard had started way back when they thought Sinatra would do the role, and it had been dusted off and rewritten a bunch of times before 1988, so maybe I am being unfair, but still as a loose adaptation the first DH can be classed as original, and the second took a book framework and Die Hardized it pretty good (I am one of the rare defenders of it, as a piece of fluff action it is fine and I think it fits well as a much, much lesser companion piece to the original). DHWAV I have issues with, at times it is fantastic, but it ends so poorly and McClane feels shoehorned in, whereas he didn't in DH2. It probably would have been a much better film as Simon Says starring Bruce Willis and Sam Jackson...
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I'm sure more things could have been forgiven in DH4, but as has been pointed out in several reviews, the main villain just doesn't work. How can you have a non-villain in a Die Hard movie? And the ending with the jet...it might as well have been the Rock in that role if it's that over the top.
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to MissCanada. Track her down. Show her the light. Your 'gospel' will teach the ignorant the error of their ways. In conclusion, Don't be Ellis.
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lock down this page, now.
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"What I got was a movie that didn’t resemble DIE HARD, but was a horrible action movie on top of all that."... Ouch...
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It will catch you off-guard...I had to rewatch the first one again. Paul Gleason just kills, kills, kills. Oh where oh where can a solid supporting cast be in this one?
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After all this build up a vicious gutting would have been the perfect end to this TB, but TB are real life not movies, so we get a twist ending instead... I am not going to pay to see this in the theatre, I can't support Fox, because otherwise the PG-13ing will continue, and I won't be able to say I tried to stop it (like with the Nazis and those rare good Germans who were all, hey really you can't just drag him off because he is a gay, Jewish gypsy with mild retardation, that is wrong. Oh that is a big gun, heil Hitler)... I am totally off topic, and that was just wrong... Anyway, I will see it when I can without directly supporting it in the theatre, and I will try and be as open minded as Vern...
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...dear lord, the TB that never dies... Look at what I missed: Spam Guy, Miss Canada, the bass player from Death Cab for Cutie... all this time I was hanging out in Heroes TB's telling people I was gay, I could've been here to help bad math guy (like he needed it) kick that anti-semetic drag queen's ass!
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Took a half day yesterday and checked it out. It is a lot better than I expected, and I actually enjoyed it. A couple obvious points that have already been made by Vern, Quint, etc...There are spots that are so obviously dubbed it's ridiculous. There's a spot in the film where Justin Long must be going off a bit and they dub the shit out of it. McClane is a little too toned down, though there comes a couple of moments where you do in fact see it's McClane. There isn't much CGI in the film, but the Jet sequence sucked. It was just too much over the top. All the other smaller CGI effects I could live with, but that belonged in an Arnold movie. I absolutely agree with your game plan Alonzo. And as Vern said in his review talkback, if you enjoyed the sequels, you'll enjoy this one. And this was leaps and bounds (probably not saying much, but well, there it is) better than any of the recent action movie garbage that's been put out there over the last..whatever. Hey Prof I., don't sweat it. You came back...home..
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... Hell, I'd even prefer to see Michael Bay's Trannies-formers with flames on Pre-Optimus Prime...
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this movie is leaps and bounds better than any shit that Bay calls a movie. Bay may blow shit up, but he can't direct an action scene, and at least Len W. did a pretty good job with those. There really are some good action sequences and to say you would prefer to watch a Bay movie, no matter how you feel they handled DH4....it's just not right. Even MissCanada wouldn't say something that outrageous.
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...you know I was being sarcastical. Miss Canada IS Pre-Optimus. I will wait until unrated DVD with reinserted fucks come out. mmmmm reinserted fucks....
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...than saying "rather see Michael Bay movie"? Only in aicn can you read stuff like that!
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...hope he's ok.
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is stupid as (reinserting) fuck. It does not bode well for the intelligence of MissCanada, nor was I comparing a movie to someone's ridiculous views on one group of individuals. I'm just talking movies here.And bad math guy is probably still in India, in seclusion...distraught and lonely in the world without his reinserted fucks and less bloody action due to Fox.
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http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?AFF_TYPE=3&STORY_ID=3177&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=2
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Good work (I think?) Prof...
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Mon Dieu!
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and even with a rated R Die Hard, it still wouldn't beat a cartoon during the summer. Gosses fichus !
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and you'll see MissCanada's intellectual observations of multiple cultures/races.
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it happens to us all...
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... being one-and-the-same as Miss Conception aka Miss Gay Toronto, Miss Gay Canada, Queen of Halloween etc... then her *picture* also induces blindness...
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... there is this thing called "camp" Susan Sontag wrote a famous essay on it long ago... but to save time the great John Waters in an episode of the Simpsons defined it as a celebration of "the tragically ludicrous or the ludicrously tragic" If one has a highly developed sense of camp...(being gay helps... the camp chromosome makes up a very large part of the gay gene apparently) then one can appreciate the "work" of the often damned Mr. Bay (Damn you Michael Bay!) as such. I'm not sure however, if his "films" are tragically ludicrous, ludicrously tragic, or both at the same time (they may just be worthless pieces of shite) Nevertheless Miss Canada, whether or not she is the drag queen I mentioned earlier, is as camp as a row of tents decorated for Christmas. She will undoubtedly love the new Trannies-formers movie with all her glitter spangled heart... and of course it doesn't hurt that Shia LaBeouf is sooo pretty... much more so than the "I'm a Mac" boy from Die (gunshot...or just a loud fart?) is... Shia ia what Rosie O'Donnell used to call a Cutie Patootie... (hmmmm, makes me wonder about BSB's odd infatuation/obsession with Shia)
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This does not bode well for her run on "fucking broadway". All the best to you MissCanada.Now I equate Bays films to Miss C's pic, whereas her pic is just a snapshot of a train wreck (the aftermath), Bay's films are the actual trainwrecks.
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The lead in your ass or the shit in your brains?
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I may have to re-evaluate how I view/rank each of the Die Hards. I hadn't watched it in quite some time, and it wasn't nearly as good as I remembered it. I'm gonna have to watch Vengeance again...
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I'm still not sure. If only they had DH4 rated R, it would have been so easy to place it #2. I may still, but I'll have to wait for a second viewing. And after your review of Transformers Vern, it just amazes me that TF will do better than LFDH...
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Good morning has you M Walter B,
Being in France the 4 July, I come out of movies seing your all last motion
picture who my again grandly overjoyed and of passion for this saga what are
motions pictures Die Hard.
Since come out her of 1sts Die Hard (crystal trap ), I not plank to cease
to adore you for your fashioning to play, for the actor that been you and now
to be 1sts has to have to fill those fans on a tchat.
Re enterring at my house I search infos on a following neighbour and falls on
an item you concerning, showing an american forum or you have really tchater
with fans of the saga.
In person who can see photographs it is true that the one reflects that this is
not possible, me personally I would have done an indisposition.
Having a tall admiration for you, I am said me that I was not having has to
lose to try to post nothing messages on the american forum and to see if you
were answerring him !!!
For the notation of motion picture everything public, I not plank not to judge
necessary to qualify DH4 of motion picture forbiddens in hall at least of 16
years.
They there have not really of stage lasts and not of image too violent blood or
deadly .
For all that , DH4 my enormously rained and filled, the history and the
fantastic (though it was musting find an history still better that 3 others to
satisfy fans of Die Hard), dialogues are cutting and well placed, always
the same macabre humour that I adore, the casting actors and very honest and
lastly the continuity of the famed makes music of Die Hard always present
!!!
Your personage is very crédible besides , as you were saying him so well,
with time comes the wisdom.
A tall bravo for your motion picture and take cares of you.
Lastly even if you will not read perhaps ever this, this is any a bottle that I
jettison to express you my growns passion towards your trade of actor and your
person.
A Very Tall french Fan
Lenny
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away the fuck go you and elsewhere post this shit and sentences ending that comes never, bye-bye go you and nonsense other postings by you.
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...did you like the movie about the raton who does the cooking?
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I'm sure.
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Just saw the movie and enjoyed the heck out of it. Way better than number 2 (the one in the airport directed by Joel Silver), despite the absence of gore.
If you ever read this, Thanks for having the balls to come to this forum and speak your mind. Fuck the naysayers who decides they are going to dislike a movie without seeing it and before the fact.
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Numero dos was directed by Renny Harlin. Secondly, Walter B has not posted on AICN for a long time now. Please try again.
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On behalf of Canadians I would like to apologize for misscanada and her behavior. She in no way represents the rest of us nor our ideals. In fact, steps are being taken to have her deported but we are having trouble finding a country that will take her. We may be forced to go back to once again attempting Plan A, and hope that she does not manage to chew through the restraints again.
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What a total letdown in the end, this TB and the whole thing on here. Still haven`t seen the movie... feeling good and openminded about it too.Shanti, shanti...apologies are waaaay too late. Don`t all those plants stand out now, and stink even more?Anyway, back to enjoying life and seeing it in a more positive way. Good luck to all who were honest and crative on this TB.
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Here it is 2 1/2 months later and IMDb is running a "news" item where Bay responds to Walter B's comments here. Bay says, "Now, my action is usually pretty good. So I'll put it to the test. Put Transformers action against Live Free Or Die Hard action. If you want to go the competitive way, we can go there."
Now, if the question is which one has action that cost the most money, I would say TRANSFORMERS. If the question is which one has action that was actually executed after the fact by computer artists that the director probaly never even met, I would say TRANSFORMERS. But if the question is which one has action that is staged in such a way that it's exciting to watch, there's not even a question, it's LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD. Not that it's the greatest ever, but there's plenty of badass action and many memorable moments and scenes (the car vs. helicopter duel, the handful of Maggie Q hair, District B13 guy on the fire escape, running over the french guys, etc.) With TRANSFORMERS I remember some blurry closeups of car parts moving around. Then a robot peed.
Also for the record I think if you go back and see what Walter B wrote, he was right on everything except for it being as good as the original DIE HARD. Otherwise everything he said turned out to be true, and for that I'm very thankful. I went back and saw the movie a second time, and it was not quite as thrilling the second time, but I still enjoyed it. I'm not sure how it will hold up in the long run but I'm glad it's not a letdown. The PG-13 thing may have been a brilliant way of getting us to lower our expectations. But I'm surprised how many people I've talked to who say LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD is their favorite movie of the summer. Not that there's a whole lot to compete with, but I don't think many people expected that outcome. So way to go Walter B. -
but it did have action that I would deem far better than the 'normal' action movie. I have not, nor will I, see Transformers so I cannot compare the action between the two. Going by previous Bay movies, I just can't see how the action in TF will be better than Die Hard. I call bullshit on that one. I just wish they have not included that ridiculous jet scene and had not dubbed over some spots. But hey, at least it wasn't Spidey 3...yeesh.
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Bourne, is on his way to probably severely kick its PG13 ass, because Jason owns in action/thriller PG13.He did not lie, probably thoughts of only apearing on Bulgarian TV shows after that probably put him off... but he copped out of Q&A, gave very lame answers to shitty Q`s and some answered before. Not for instance this one:About the bass player in the grammy nominated band Death Cab for Cutie. He says when he was 14 years old he idolized you and bumped into you on a ski slope in Idaho and after telling you this you told him to "fuck off". And then, when he was 30 taking part in a Rolling Stone cover shoot with Bruce Springsteen and Pearl Jam for the Vote for Change tour, he came out of the hotel they put him up in feeling pretty good about himself and as you walked into the same hotel he figured, remembering the time when you hurt his feelings when he was a kid, he'd put it aside and try again. So this time he says "Hi" and yet again you told him to fuck off. Why do you keep telling Nick Harmer to fuck off when he is the nicest bass player in all of rock music? And do you do that a lot to kids? Plus he got pwned by no other than Michael Bay, sheesh. There was a great moment here for a while when he showed up, and that rules and and I thank him for the experience, but in the end he came across as more or less News Corp employee. And it left sour taste in my mouth. So I went from being a very big Walter B fan to... well not sure what, but its far from what was before.waiting for "unrated" DVD release review for possible viewing, to avoid amateur editing/continuity in an over 100mil$ A picture on top of jet surfing and other problems.just a question,as a Bad guy with a plan, when you go to the store to assemble your team of badasses... do you go like: "Ok, got me all sorts of experts/maniacs here but something is missing, hmm." THEN you stumble on a CV that says "I also do Parkour. In parlaysingleis means I can jump/bounce from/off buildings and stuff. It`s very hip now. You can see it in all popular movies right now" And you go, yeah, gotta get me one of those too, otherwise everybody will think I am too old, worse, not hip. Hey! How much for the french asshole!?
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...wouldn't see the movie, by the way...
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its been great and still is. I calmed down a bit and I am growing some spirituality into me living in Himalayas and such. I`ll be there/here untill I finish my book I guess.I`ve noticed you were posting my opinions on the other TB and making decisions based on my opinion. I feel weird having a weird fan/stalker, but its OK because you have japanese name and I like japanese...
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though I think Casino Royale was pretty awesome too.And I can appreciate you waiting for the unrated DVD. Hell, I was torn on whether to see it or not, but with a free tix, I couldn't refuse. When you get a free $50 gift card to best buy, it's tempting to take the hopping bad guy. Plus they spill less blood, so there's less mess to clean up.
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Go suck MissCanada off.
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Hi everybody, this is my first time in one of these TBs and I just wanted to say you guys are great. I have really laughed out loud reading some of the responses, I don't agree with some of them however but I think it's great that everyones views can be heard/read. I personally loved DH4, and I don't feel that not being able to swear or gore it up took anything away from BeeDubs acting skills or from the film. No it wasn't exactly the same as the other 'Die Hards' but I liked it,but I also absolutely loved 'Happy Feet' though so take from that what you will lol lol. I think BeeDub is a really good actor, even when he's stuck with a rubbish script/storyline it looks like he still gives 100% and that's a good character trait. Now to MissCanada, yes unfortunately there are people out there that dislike people because of their race its called racism and its wrong ignorant and wrong!! Although it makes me sad that there are people in this world that still think like you or worse, it will not stop me from praying for you to change.
Although you all seem like pretty ok people I just have to say, BeeDub where are you??? Come back!! You are cool, smart, funny and incredibly sexy. Come chat some more.
Oh 1 last thing, why does this spam guy like viagra so much, is he having trouble in that area?? If so he should really see a doc. -
salut c'est Steph je suis française... mais alors où est passé bruce?? ça fait déjà un bon moment qu'il n'est pas venu ici laisser un petit message... oooh :(
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Oct 09, 2007 3:52:51 PM CDT
Hey the spam guy is still keeping this place jumping...
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I love ol dead talkbacks... Here nobody argues with me... DH4 was a poor movie, but not the outright disaster we feared. Any one disagree? No? Good...
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Just kidding...I enjoyed it too. Great? No. Better than expected? Yes.
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Oct 11, 2007 8:06:29 AM CDT
I am still happy for not supporting PG13 Die Hard financially
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even happier for not seeing it yet. And love tb`s nobody argues too. But not.
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i dont see what the deal is? why in the hell would Dh4 be rated pg13? because there is the f word? WTF?! Sound slike a load of crap to me. I love ya bruce! I am from the old site BW.....Stormy
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Tell me more of this "monster cocks, gigantic tits"... Is that going to be PG-13...
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monster cocks indeed...
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it was OK. Eat dat. What a post above...!
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sorry to say.
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In fact it is deserted enough in here that I can masturbate...
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And that is a coffee stain over there, I swear...
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or all you all set?
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To help you guys clean up, and to give me a fine piece of ass to abuse myself over...
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she likes that.
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This is Martha, she will do it while I am banging her...
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and baking cookies for you and vacuuming your place. She's a great multi-tasking drippy whore.
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Don't they sell those on late night infomercials?
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you'll also get the jack-of-all-trades dirty skank...free!
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I am new here and cannot seem to find the new Talkback for Walter B. Can someone please point me in the right direction. And is he still chatting here? Thanks!
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Thanks for the welcome Orcus.
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Didn't you see that this thread has been dead for a looooong time? Just look at when this article was posted? True, this was the first posting that Bruce posted to, but then another was created specifically for that reason. It was much less 'successful' than this one in terms of interacting with Bruce.
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I did notice that the first thread died in May, but thought there was another and that was the one I couldn't find. But no sign of him then? I missed the entire conversation with him and would have liked to see if he was ever planning on some other dramas. I like the romantic side of him like in "Story of Us" and was hoping to find out if he would do anymore like that. Guess I missed my chance:( Please let me know though if he ever comes back. Thanks!!
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See what I did there?
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Why not start it up again? We can talk about all the changes they did to the DVD. Why, if it was so good as a PG-13, they added so much more cursing in the DVD? What, the ratings don't count for the DVDs? I personally think it is better with McClane as his old self. It just didn't seem right to hear him mumbling under his breath like he did in the film.
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but, while I enjoyed the film Bruno, it pissed me off with all the dubbing over. That and the stupid jet sequence - it is not true fucking lies, it's Die Hard dammit!Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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I agree that I was not happy with the dubbing either, it was senseless and really took away from who McClane really is. And yes, there was a bit of an overkill on the CGI that's for sure! But the DVD is much better as far as McClane being himself. Check it out and I think you'll agree with that.
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Poddles are overbread anyway.
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They are tasty over bread though...
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Fucking spelling. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!
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And I mean that in a respectful way...
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Ive been writing stories since I was 9. Graduated with a BA in Creative Writing. And I have a script I'd like to discuss with you. Is there anyway you could take a moment and talk with me?
It's really important and I dont know how else to get ahold of you.
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He gone long time.
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you missed him by that much (holds finger to thumb). You dumb bastard.Sincerely a wise ass talkbacker.
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I am not naturally a mean person, but how much of a dumb fuck do you have to be to think the way you will get your script made its to beg a star on an internet message board? Register your script with the WGA and send it to agents and any remaining studios that will read unsolicited scripts. Enter it in competitions. If anyone shows even the most passing interest bug the fuck out of them for input and help. Move to Hollywood and get a waiting job. Earn the chance. Don't sit on you ass hoping Bruce Willis will decide to contact you (despite there being no way he can on the message board) and thinking he will take the time to read your script, think it is amazing, put together producers and money men, form a company, hire a director and get your masterpiece made.
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Bruce Willis will always. KICK-ASSSS.In any movie he dose.And he only gets better with age.Love in Ill.
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It seems that BSB's posts have been deleted.
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I'm working on two houres of sleep her so bare with my spelling.I just read this stuff yesertday.If you want an honest respones. Her it is.It dosen't matter if its PG-13 or R rateing or even triple xxx.What makes a good,Great or BAD movie is what people put into it.
Writers, directers,actors and actress,An actor can pull a bad script out of the flames.If your going to put bullshit into it.Your going to get bullshit out of it.If you put your all into what you got.
You just might get the best damm movie ever.It's what people put into it.Heart and soul.Oh and Orcus.watch d.v.d commentarty's sometime. You may learn something.
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DH4.Did live up to it's name.No matter what people think.You guyz put in your best.And got a great Die Hard
out of it.Personaly.If you feel you did you best.Than thats the only true thing that matters.got to go got things to do on myspace.SEEYA
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If you want to talk one on one.You can get my e-mail from Vern.I give my permisson.Or go to myspace. Look for the last name Sisler.OH I don't have to talk to other people who find me!
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but I haven't been in all the current threads the last couple of days, so I don't know if he's posted or not.
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It has been 9 months since this TB started. I wasted the money to see this in the theatre. From what I hear, the unrated version on DVD is pretty good.
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Hey Bruze... is it trew you fucked Bonnie Bodillia in the ass on the set of DH1? How tight was she?
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This is a dead fucking thread. And that's the trewth.
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Where trewth is learned.
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I think I may have left them here...
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He's a bit odd, that one.
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Name in the big lights yet chump?
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I'm sure of it.
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HELLO EVERYBODY!
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Maybe anyone know,which Harmonica B. Willis like the best?? :)
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We've been waiting for you!So now that you're here, I'll go get Walter B. right now! Hold on................................cricket....cricket.........I'm sure he'll be right back. Wait right here.
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Thanks for your answer ;)but I'm waiting an answer to my question...maybe somebody know??
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OK. I'm understand. Thanks very much Orcus.But did Bruce come back here ? I think this would be nice :) Greetings
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I just spoke to Walter B. (we're great friends) and he said he'll be here next Thursday at 9am. He'll be more than happy to answer any of your questions then.
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Hi just pillow.I'm reading now your answer and...Mr.Bruce W.here next Thursday !? No,no,no sorry but I don't believe it...It is impossible!I come from Poland, so I can't be here at 9.00 am. And I don't know ,it was be a true and Walter B. was here indeed :)
Hmmmm...How did you speak with B.W?
And maybe you choose other hour?
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I speak with Walter B. through a crystal skull (not sure if you've heard of it, it's the latest craze). Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that like 4 or so in the afternoon your time on Thursday?
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Yes,you are right.But I can be here only at 5.00 pm.Fit you this hour?(by yours is propably 10.00 am).You talk with Bruce W. about "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull"? I saw this film a week ago :)If you are talking with Bruce W.,ask him will be here on Thursday at 10.00 am. Greetings
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Hey!Just Pillow I'm waiting to your answer to my question... :] Greetings
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Greetings. He'll be there! Greetings.
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So,Bruce agreed on this Thursday at 10.00 am ? Hmmmm...OK I will here on Thursday at 5.00 pm (my time) and I convince is he REAL or No...and then I belive or don't believe :)
Thanks for your answer J.Pillow !
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so he'll be able to call in at that time.
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Which song is the best!!??
Of course this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACuwTX919w&feature=related
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I will be waiting on this forum on Thursday :D
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You may have to keep trying Meris.Good luck and greetings!
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I believe it's her cell.Sorry, that's the only # I have...
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So,which I known that Bruce will be here on Thursday if you don't talk with him ?
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Jun 09, 2008 11:40:46 AM CDT
click your heels 3 times and hope for the best Meris
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I'll send a reminder email to him for you.Have fun storming the castle.
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Greetings and see you (and Mr. Bruce) on Thursday at 10.00 am.....
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And don't worry, we cracked the window open a bit so that you still get some air....greetings
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Meris, and he's now doing Geico commercials on tv. They also keep in close contact, so maybe you and Walter B. can be best buds too!Greetings!
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from Army of Darkness on Thursday.Bruce likes that.
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It makes him angry.
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your answer will be apple pie.This cannot be negotiated.
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a green box for posting. That way we can keep track of your conversation with Walter B., for historical purposes.
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You always want to make a good first impression Meris.Greetings!
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It gives you great direction in life. You will need to learn the ways of pencil jihad, and bring justice to this ever-changing world, striking down shiheels and infidels.Can I count on you Meris?
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FLAMING LEG KICK. Walter B. has indeed just informed me that you must perform one of those at 10am.Prepare yourself Meris!
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You must also dye your hair red. I'll reconfirm this.
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Jun 09, 2008 12:09:49 PM CDT
Meris: I hope you can find a little person on short notice
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Walter B. wants you to FLAMING LEG KICK a cabbage off of a little person's head. I think he's being quite unreasonable. I'll try and talk him out of it, but I can't promise anything.Greetings!
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Hehehe...I don't know this film...why Bruce like AOD ?? How do yo know that Bruce likes this film ??
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Bruce Campbell. Part of the Evil Dead Series. Look it up, you'll thank me.Because we communicate through a crystal skull.
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Rent that and the Protector. It's educational.
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You'll need 3 knives, 2 sticks, a gallon of gasoline, matches, a blindfold, and a big busted assistant, preferably female. This will also need to happen on Thursday. I'll have Walter B's people send you an outline of the morning festivities.
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I talked with him...
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Jun 09, 2008 12:41:49 PM CDT
Sorry, I don't know what is CoC because I'm new on this forum...
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Thanks very much Just Pillow for yours informations :)I must go...so see you on Thursday! :]
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Are you a true believer of the words of 2for2true? As all CoC waricples have done, they view certain movies that are required by the Holy Trinity.The Evil Dead seriesThe Tremors seriesThe Leprechaun seriesBig Trouble in Little China, Escape from NY, The ThingThese are just a sampling of the 'core' teachings that are transcribed in the Holy Scriptures.
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the following items for a proposed afternoon session with you:a billy goat (alive if possible), baking powder, 2 nine-volt batteries, and a kiddie slide.Greetings
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Wait, I've got deja vu or that other word in French.
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every time AICN is going to plaster up shite news then it is our duty as warciples to follow Orcus trail into the past and reanimate dead threads. but only zombie ones
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What exactly is the point?
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The Holy Trinity will smite thee a thousand times over for insolence.You have been warned.
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The truth must be known....a CoC store will soon be built in your town Ghost of Senor Nixon. You too will see the light...all is not lost with you.
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Greetings!
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Almost sounds like ironic (I believe), who would dispute the power of the CoC and defend paddington bear.
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a flying possum attack. He's a false prophet. I'm wearing John Nada's glasses of truth right now, so can confirm this.
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he needs a good slap for the virgin comment. Send forth the graboids.
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as will his war against the warciples. His foolishness will not spare him from his own destruction.Only then will he be reborn and see the wisdom that is 2for2true.http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/35294#comment_1848549And bears....http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/34974Do you see the teachings we have at our disposal Ghost of Infidels?
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we have the wisdom of the ages coupled with the violent techniques of the late 20th century. You don't stand a prayer, ghost or not.
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is some funny shit! Lets dig up old TB and commandeer them with stupid assedness
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2for2true laughs at your words. Our #2 pencils have been forged in the fires of a FLAMING LEG KICK, and are the most powerful instruments of destruction known in this world....and beyond.
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While your eagerness to convert to the ways of the CoC are commended, we must be careful. I was a little brash in bringing this thread back (thanks Meris). Mass bannings may ensue yet again.
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"They" are very powerful in that regard. Nonbelievers would have better luck searcing for unicorns in Atlantis.
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The "hard-core" bears that know what it means to be a fucking bear.
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Extinct animals (cause bears ate 'em) that didn't exist anyway, in a mythical lost civilization that probably didn't exist anyhow. Bears kick ass. They can maul other animals that don't even exist
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was like nuking the fridge.
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"Don't be Ellis". Genius.
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How the holy heck did this thread reanimate, and who is this Senor Nixon guy - and how did he make the accent grave?
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that orange cunt that used to present some dreadful daytime TV chat show before he got fired? you can do better than that Orcus
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of the Holy Trinity.It's just accepted as....being.
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As you can see, periodically some jokers show up and ask for Walter B., whether in seriousness or sarcasm, me and Orcus generally respond to them.
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I did not read the entire thread, so I am unsure of this walter chap
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I know you now! You have revealed yourself to be the one and only Buddy Pine AKA Syndrome! Still monologuing when you should be attemptng to kick ass! But you have also failed to take into consideration the newest generation of graphite death from above - the 0.7mm Multiple Warhead mechanical pencil of doom! It is you who must surrender! It is you who have to face the Asskickers of the Fantastic! Warciples United with Flaming Legs kicks, 0.7mm MRV's, and HB No. 2's! The CoC will never be defeated!
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Walter B. was Bruce Willis, and he posted in this very thread. Take a gander...
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It is the most powerful lead based weapon known to man. You mock powers you fully don't understand.
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I did indeed take a gander. And GOSN knows not the powers he unleashes. It is not inconceivable that he could unleash ---Dark Pencil!
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Jun 10, 2008 2:06:29 PM CDT
to follow-up on you and your family Ghost of infidel
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you became a ghost because you ran into a warciple. How ironic that you would meet your fate from your own family's product.
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You needed a repulsor installed around your mouth. Did you not see the very words written by the world's savior, 2for2true? He stabs shitheels in the MOUTH. Your arrogance will be your downfall. The Four Warciples cannot be defeated. And no matter what inconsequential words you type, you know the this truth.Orcus is a proud member of the CoC. How dare you invoke his name in vain?
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Jun 10, 2008 2:37:53 PM CDT
Ah. Lead suit. That explains his strange, Peyote like symptoms
by toadkillerdog
The symptoms of chronic lead poisoning include neurological problems, such as reduced cognitive abilities. Ol Lead Shell head, got lead poisoning! That is why he thinks he is Richard Stark and Richard Nixon. And that is why he invokes Orcus and thinks he can take on the warciples. Insanity!
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Such is the way of life.We will pray for the salvation of your very soul Ghost of infidel.
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Thou hast blasphemed 'gainst the CoC, and the legendary four Warciples (and various apprentice Warciplicants). Thou wert cast down from the heavens of CoChood because it was determined that thy multiple-personality disorder - in conjuction with thy unfortunate bladder control issues, would be a bane to the raucous harmony of Warcipledom. Not to mention the smell. By thine own words thou hast proclaimed a Jihad on those whose number thy once would'th have been member of! Thy mixed-up melon hast indeed convoluted the greatness that is CoC and the true meaning of shitheel! And urinator.
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Jun 10, 2008 3:16:37 PM CDT
DIE HARD Is The Greatest American Action Movie Of All Times?!?!
by laserpants
Your kidding right? I mean, yeah, its cool, WAS cool, but, hello, the BOURNE series? Largely set overseas, but, an American movie, and American Action movie, and a much more solid contender for Best American Action Movie Of All Times.
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I saw that earlier - that is more like 'Monitor' Jihad, than pencil Jihad. But still, he shows promise! Some people are just cows though standing around doing nothing while dude flips completely out.
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Some things never change. Twenty years, or twenty minutes ago. Same damn thing. I wonder what will happen to ol boy? Fired immediately? Thrown into counseling? Sued - by the woman whose head he used to see if a monitor could bounce?
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You've been there done that.
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how low the post count is on this TB considering it was one of the funniest ones ever...
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