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FOX - Vern has some words for you about the pansy-assing of the 4th DIE FLACCID movie.

A reader named Ed Wilson tipped me off to the following outrageous lunacy: "In June's VANITY FAIR, it states that Bruce Willis was initially disappointed that his fourth DIE HARD film will likely be cut to get a PG-13 rating rather than an R. 'I really wanted this one to live up to the promise of the first one, which I always thought was the only really good one.' And he's not happy about it. 'That's a studio decision that is becoming more and more common, because they're trying to reach a broader audience. It seems almost a courageous move to give a picture an R rating these days. But we still made a pretty hardcore, smashmouth film.'" Dearest 19th Century Fox: Howdy. Name's Vern, nice to meet you. I am writing to ask you one question. WHAT IN GOD'S NAME ARE YOU JOKERS TRYING TO PULL? Before you blow me off to go bathe in that champagne/money/panda blood mixture you have in your hot tub, please be aware that I am not speaking as a member of the internet community, or associate of the nerd community. I think ALL communites agree with me on this, except maybe the Amish, who don't watch movies and are therefore neutral. I am speaking as an American, and as a citizen of the world. You can't fucking do that to DIE HARD. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the movie was called LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD. But from what Vanity Fair is saying here, it sounds more like LIVE FREE OR DIE-- WELL, LET'S NOT DIE TOO HARD, THERE ARE CHILDREN PRESENT. Which, in my opinion, is not as good of a title. Now, I know what you're thinking. If we make a horrible movie for babies and make it PG-13, it will make lots of money. The movies that make money these days are worthless garbage intentionally designed to be of a low quality, intelligence and entertainment value, in order to lower standards, make people stupider, destroy our culture and make short-term, tainted money for our evil corporation. Okay, fair enough. You know your business, I can't argue with your money piles. But let me remind you of a couple movies you guys had something to do with. Exhibit A: DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE, aka DIE HARD 3 Exhibit B: DIE HARD 2, aka DIE HARDER Exhibit C: DIE HARD, aka GREATEST AMERICAN ACTION MOVIE OF ALL TIME There are many things these three movies have in common. Two of them: they made you all kinds of money (untainted money that you could be proud of) and they were Rated-R. DIE HARD is a name you're gonna have a hard time living up to, even with an R-rating. The world is already skeptical. Does organic John McClane have to be updated to the CGI world to fight computer hackers? We don't know. We're not sure about this role playing vampire sissy being the director, either. Some people have trouble with the title LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD, even though it's awesome. The trailer is pretty good, but you've got a bald, fearless John McClane we have to get used to, plus you teamed him with that smarmy prick from the Mac commercials, and I know I personally came VERY close to ritualistically burning myself in front of your offices when I found out you put Kevin Smith in the movie as a wacky computer genius. I bet you ten bucks Argyle (limo driver from part 1) could take him in a fight, hack into a database faster than him AND direct a better movie. But that's beside the point. My point is that you have alot going against you. I, as a die hard DIE HARD die hard, am willing to give you a chance. I am praying for a real DIE HARD. The world of action cinema NEEDS a real DIE HARD. Let me tell you something. I am not like Harry, I don't get sent the scoops all the time. But a while back, as filming was starting up on this thing, somebody sent me the script. People were up in arms against this thing, the word that was leaking out was not inspiring confidence, and I think the idea was that I would read it, I would be outraged at how it was a bad DIE HARD sequel, and I would start some kind of online crusade against it and try to get them to stop and rewrite or something. What I did instead, I didn't read the script, not even the first page. I was suspecting that this probaly would be an unworthy sequel. But on the off chance that it wasn't I didn't want to ruin it for myself. I wanted to go into that theater, sit down and see a brand new fuckin DIE HARD movie. And if not be "blown through the back of the theater," at least there would be a cool breeze of awesomeness blowing me lightly against the back of my seat, and cooling me off on a hot June day. What could be better than that? I'm keeping my hopes up. I've been rationalizing away all the parts that look bad and keeping my fingers crossed. But if you cut the movie for babies, you finally lost me. I don't know if I would even pay to see that shit. If I did I might not admit it to anybody. You know what a PG-13 action movie is? It's THE MARINE starring John Cena. Not a good movie, not a profitable movie. It's HALF PAST DEAD, Steven Seagal's only PG-13 movie, which also happens to be his last theatrical movie. Hmmm, that's odd, I wonder how that happened? When people name their favorite American studio action movies, they're gonna talk about DIE HARD, LETHAL WEAPON, PREDATOR, maybe UNDER SIEGE, maybe SPEED. If you want to go even more sci-fi than PREDATOR you could include TERMINATOR 1&2, THE MATRIX, ALIENS, ROBOCOP, TOTAL RECALL, etc. All rated-R movies, all good movies, all profitable movies. That's how you die hard. PG-13 is not dying hard. As a measure of caution, I am asking all movie writers to pull a nerd-Hans-Grueber and hold the title hostage. Do not use the word "HARD" on the title until we have been given proof of a hard rating. As long as there is a chance of a dishonorable PG-13, please only refer to this one as DIE SOFT, DIE LIMP, DIE WEAK, DIE FEEBLE, DIE FRAGILE, DIE COMPROMISED, DIE IN A PUDDLE OF YOUR OWN URINE AFRAID OF FACING THE CONSEQUENCES OF BEING A MAN, etc. I personally will follow this rule and I hope my colleagues will as well. If you make this PG-13, you might get your opening weekend, it might be as big as if it was R. On the other hand, people might say "What? A new DIE HARD? Where he's bald? And the title is funny? And the Macintosh guy is in it? And fucking Silent Bob? And it's PG-13? I don't want to see that shit!" Or, "Bruce Willis said it was supposed to be R-rated, and he was really disappointed, I'll just wait until the real, actual adult version of the movie is available for free, illegal, non-Fox-money-giving download after some pissed off studio employee leaks it." And the 13-16 year olds you're banking the legacy of DIE HARD on will say "that old guy from 16 BLOCKS is supposed to be tough? Ha ha" and then they will pout sullenly as they text each other and listen to crappy music on iPods. And this might make the Macintosh wacky sidekick guy happy, but it will not get you any money. Which, in this ugly scenario, will be the fate you deserve. Keep in mind, a 16 year old today was 4 years old when the last (and not even best) DIE HARD came out. Do you think he or she gives a fuck about DIE HARD? And if so, isn't that odd, that somehow he or she has seen an R-rated movie? It's almost as if it can be profitable to release R-rated movies. Weird. And before you pull some kind of cheap "yeah, but GRINDHOUSE was Rated-R and it lost money" bullshit, remember this: BRUCE WILLIS WAS IN GRINDHOUSE. What are you gonna do, cut him out of LIVE FREE OR DIE FRAIL just to be safe? Come on, people. Best case scenario, moneywise: you make a ton of money on it. But everybody feels ripped off. Your precious franchise is dead forever. The shine on an American classic gets a little less bright. Everybody starts associating the real DIE HARD with this horse shit and thinking it's not as good as they remembered it. You sell less copies when the old, actual genuine made-for-adults good DIE HARD movies come out on HD-DVD, BLU-RAY and whatever other futuristic formats come into existence. Nobody will even consider making a new sequel or video game or downloadable ringtone or Happy Meal toy. When you die, you will realize that in the long run you could've made more money on this DIE HARD thing, and without having to shame an entire country to do it. You could've held your head proud instead of saying, "yeah, but this is a business, we are not here to do good things for the world and humanity, we are here to steal their money and then rationalize it by saying that ultimately it is a business." And the real kicker will be when you realize that the stress caused by knowing the damage you had done to cinema and culture had made you ill, causing your last years to be miserable. If only you had known now what you will know then. That you could've had it both ways. You could've lived free AND died hard. Yipee kay yay, etc. I'm not gonna call out any studio head names, I don't know who's responsible. But for God's sake - listen to Bruce. DIE HARD is for grown ups. And for kids who are allowed to go to R-rated movies with grownups. It is part of a long tradition of dads taking their kids to see R-rated movies, and making them think their dad is cool. If you pull this punk PG-13 move their dads will no longer be cool. The American family could fall apart. Do the right thing, pal. There is a clear path to follow here. What do you think John McClane would do? Would he sissy out? Fuck no. You know who you are in DIE HARD - you're Ellis. Go back and watch it. I think you'll be interested to find out what happens to Ellis. Don't blow it, buddy. Don't be Ellis. Be a man. Don't die soft. You know how you want to die. thanks bud, Vern

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  • May 2, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by AllieJamison


  • May 2, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by Bombadils_Bane10


  • May 2, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    are you serious?

    by Datascream

    "sigh" I'll still watch it tho. but this is going to feel half assed. actually...maybe I won't see it. I'm on the fence about this really. An R rated film was what I was expecting. I didn't even really think they would even DO that to Die Hard...dear god.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    20th Century Fox can go fuck itself

    by kwisatzhaderach

    These guys havent made a decent movie in years. Murdoch only wants to churn out kiddie-friendly bullshit. We should picket Fox!!!!!

  • May 2, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Vern! your rant will Live Free but...

    by connor187

    Very much Die Hard....i.e Fall on death ears.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Or even DEAF ears.

    by connor187

    Its fucking late here!

  • May 2, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Holy shit, Vern is 100% correct.

    by Darth_Gonz

    I especially liked the "Don't be Ellis" comment. Excellent rant, Vern. Making a Die Hard movie PG-13 would be like releasing a Grand Theft Auto game with "sweat" instead of red blood (ala Mortal Kombay for the SNES back in the day).

  • May 2, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by Bondfox

    Hallelujah Vern. We meed to make sure that no one ruins the image of the greatest American action movie franchise. It would be unpatriotic to ruin a movie that takes place on not one, but two American holidays. And what about the Yippe yay ki ya Mother...., would it be Motherfudger?

  • May 2, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Action Toys of...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    John McClaine will be in a toys r us near you soon. Prepare for McDonalds to start with the happy meal toys in the next week or so.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Vern got the OK from Bruce to let loose

    by BadMrWonka

    amen, brother...I can see movies that deserve and warrant a PG-13 audience going for it. and there are clearly a lot of movies that are on the borderline, where the director and hardcore fans would want an R for the street cred, and the studios would want a PG-13 for the extra audience, but this is kind of silly. you're making a 4th movie, essentially a reboot, of a series that were ALL hard-R's. and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there were a total of like 12 seconds of bouncing breasts in all 3 movies together. this was R-rated because dudes got hung from chains, shot through the head, and people being attacked by, and fighting against terrorists, were allowed to actually say what we would all say in that circumstance. FUUUUUUUUCKKKK!!!!!<p>pull your heads out.<p>"Yippee Kay-yay you jerk!" just doesn't have the same ring to it...

  • May 2, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    An R Rated Movie Can't Make Enough Money in Summer

    by Bungion Boy

    Just look at Miami Vice. And countless other examples. So I ask you, the studio, why release an R rated movie at a time of year when it can't compete. There are already too many blockbusters in the summer. I remember a time when there were about 3 big summer movies and the rest were just regular movies that could come out at any time of the year. The months of January, February, and about half of August and September have always been bad months for movies. That's because the studio has decided those are bad months and choose to unload their crap off the shelf then. Why not spread some of these big movies out more so there aren't 4 movies that absolutely have to break at least 100 million opening on the same day. They can't all do it. A PG-13 Die Hard will do great business in the summer. But an R rated Die Hard might have been huge in September. This pisses me off.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I stopped reading when it said it's not "R"

    by Fecal Debris

    A "Die Hard" movie that isn't rated R? Meaning, a "Die Hard" movie that lacks the content to cause the MPAA to slap an "R" rating on it? The word "fuck" is not said more than once? I'm very uneasy about this. Think Fast. Look Alive. Puss Out. <p> Look, you're doing nobody any favors by watering this down. When my kids are old enough to watch "Die Hard" movies, I want them to be good movies, worthy of the "Die Hard" mantle--not Disney versions of the first installment. Don't fuck this up.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    let go

    by gredenko

    so they might dull the edge on an un-asked-for fourth installment to a franchise that peaked and should have ended with the first one--and this inspires a couple thousand word rant?

  • May 2, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Well said Vern.

    by robotdevil

    Live Free or Die Homogenized!

  • May 2, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    I can't believe it is PG13!

    by Larry_Talbot

    Oh well, I think I'll pass. I love the Die Hard movies, I bought them on VHS, laserdisc (!) and dvd, but I don't want to see a wimpy, weak version. This could be to Die Hard what Alien Vs Predator (ugh) was to Alien and Predator.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Spot on

    by Asshandler

    That rant was spot on. Perhaps a bit long, and lost a little momentum near the end, but the point was made effectively. Die Hard needs to be rated R, just as any half decent porn flick needs to be rated X.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Re: 20th Century Fox can go fuck itself

    by Canada's King

    I concur

  • May 2, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    you want Vern should PG-13 his review and downsize it! it's a full-on Die Hard rant! it goes until it's done, and only THEN do you get to wipe the sweat off, have a cigarette, and ice down your crotch.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by Mr Soze

    Doesn't Bruce have any pull with this? He's the franchise. The whole son thing is so overdone. Horse-shit like this makes baby-Jesus cry. Mr. Willis is cool, but this is gonna tank.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by TotallyGayForChristianBale


  • May 2, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Wow! I wish Vern

    by Phategod2

    was a transformer fan.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    VERN I AM TOTALLY WITH YOU. This is a fucking nightmare if this happens. This is probably the last Die Hard ever, so it's gotta be R. This is a fucking '80s action franchise and this was the first R movie I ever saw - I was fucking 6-years-old. People like me with cool parents fucking made this franchise. I saw all of the others in a theatre, saw Die Harder 2x. This movie is tracking huge...b/c THEY'RE AREN'T ANY OTHER R-RATED ACTION FLICKS THIS SUMMER. Capice? This is an open market to make bank. People like the trailer b/c they're expecting blood, guts, all that shit. THE CATCHLINE OF DIE HARD HAS 'MOTHERFUCKER' IN IT, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE (CHRIST LOVES DIE HARD BTW, EVEN DHWAV, B/C HE LOVES ALL THINGS NOT SHITTY). Fox, Do not fuck with us. We will burn this fucker to the ground if it's PG-13. That is all. Vern speaks the truth. He's a Die Hard expert and you don't want to fuck with us.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by Asshandler

    I see your point, to edit Vern's ramblings would be as equally as offensive as editing a Die Hard. Is anyone else getting horrible flashbacks to Rocky Balboa's lackluster fight scene... where's the Ivan Drago's of the world when you need them.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    there would be an irony about someone going on a huge rant because they hate a vagina being added to their giant robot toy memories...

  • May 2, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    The thing with PG13 is that...

    by connor187

    The first three films were aimed at adults. So with this being the fourth installment, why are they trying to push it out to a younger audience? I mean these movies were out and doing well, before their new target audience was even born. Stick to what makes these movies great and stop fucking around with stuff you clearly do not understand.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Who said an R-rated movie can't do big summer business?

    by Stifler's Mom

    2003- MATRIX RELOADED, $230 mil 2004- TROY- $135 mil 2005-WEDDING CRASHERS, $200 mil

  • May 2, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Yippee Kai Yey Monster Funster

    by ilander66

    how many people will see the rating PG13 on the poster and just walk away? if the suits do it they deserve to fail. Die Hard is the greatest action movie ever made why? Yipee Kai Yey Motherfucker, that guy getting his kneecaps blown to shit, Mclane pulling glass from his feet, Takagi losing his brains and lots of other non PG13 stuff. if there is no viceral peril then why would we care about John Mclane? nothing bad or nasty would happen in PG13 world so why bother watching it, I am no gore hound I just would like a Die Hard with a little backbone.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST


    by godzillasushi

    I actually just wrote this somewhere else. What kid is going to give a crap about Die Hard? Trying to cover all the bases doesn't work with this at all. It's DIE HARD. THIS IS MEANT TO BE R!!! ARRRGGHGHGHHHH

  • May 2, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Didnt FOX learn a thing with Alien Vs Predator?

    by misnomer

    PG-13 is death to this movie. simple. Die Hard can NEVER work as PG-13. If you want to make a PG-13 action movie, do something else.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Not rated R eh?

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Fuck it. I'll wait for the unrated dvd. Yet another flick I don't need to see in the theater.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by fractureJonze

    Get over it man! They can't save it!

  • May 2, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by Fabulous Freak

    can I get a hallelujah?

  • May 2, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Kick ass, Vern.

    by Nordling

    "Don't be Ellis." Well said.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    People pay MORE ATTENTION

    by rev_skarekroe

    when you post stuff in ALL CAPS!!! And use lots of EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!

  • May 2, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    I agree but...

    by Ky-El

    I agree but will someone get Vern an editor? Who has the time to read his freakin' novel response? If FOX actually started to read this, after scrolling down on the computer for the 4th time they'd say "fuck this..." and go do some blow.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    I mean, there's one thing I've always concluded from movies that can be R or PG13 - those movies are soft-R films anyway and they blow. Was this the original plan?? FUCK YOU FOX. THERE BETTER BE LOTS BLOODY ACTION OF MCCLANE KILLING TERRORISTS JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE SERIES.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Hans.....Bubbie.....Im your PG-13 rating...

    by HitchCock'n'Balz


  • May 2, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    If anyone at Fox was reading this...

    by fractureJonze

    ...they hit the back button at the part where he was like "take a look at Grindhouse. Come to think of it, Bruce Willis was in that too..."

  • May 2, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Biggest cock tease ever

    by Heckles

    I cannot believe it. There is no way I am paying for a PG-13 Die Hard. Just going to buy the unrated DVD and pimp it out on my flatscreen. Fuck you Fox!

  • May 2, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    What FOX doesn't realize is...

    by Asshandler

    ... Die Hard 4 is North America's chance to take out all their terrorist-hating frustration in a single shot. I'm pretty sure no one has PG-13 frustrations... we want blood. 9/11... payback's a bitch.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    So THIS is why everyone loves Vern.

    by brokentusk

    Not only was this hilarious to read, but it was also damn straight. Wasn't 300 R-rated? I don't know, lately I feel like Fox is actually TRYING to piss off the fans of all their franchises. The monkeys from the beginning of 28 DAYS LATER could run the studio better than Rothman.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Pretty sure it'll be an `R`

    by Tripman5000

    Mark my words....

  • May 2, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Wear this with pride to piss off fox

    by modlight And if they don't make it an R, then it just isn't Die Hard.

  • May 2, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Hell even Bruce can't keep himself from being R

    by modlight this thing kills me

  • May 2, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    "300" - Rated R - 207 million NA Box Office

    by PhantomZone111

    Apparently Fox has forgotten a little film called "300," which was rated R and grossed 207 million in North America alone. Of course, they're probably rating it PG-13, so they can market the double dip DVD as the "R-RATED DIRECTORS CUT" or some such bullshit.

  • May 2, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    It's all moot

    by the beef

    The fact is they're going to release it as PG-13 and it's going to make a bundle on opening weekend assuming the critics aren't phenomenally harsh. Aside from film fans nobody cares what it's rated, they see the title and they see Bruce Willis and that's all they want. FOX, just like most other companies, could give a fuck about our dislike. Don't rant to FOX, rant to the people planning on seeing this. FOX already knows the movie will be shit, so they might as well make it accessible shit that younger teens can see without their parents.

  • May 2, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Stifler's Mom

    by Bungion Boy

    I meant to say that Studios Don't Think R Rated Movies Can Make Money in the Summer. In the past, many have, though a lot of them don't break 200 million, which is what most summer movies are hoped to do. That's why more and more summer movies have been dialed down to PG-13. Sometimes this works to R Rated Movies' advantage. Wedding Crashers and 40 Year Old Virgin ended up being such a huge hit I think because people were tired of PG-13 and were so refreshed to see something R. Matrix Revolutions was part of a successful franchise. There will be a few successful R-Rated movies this summer, but I predict very few break out smashes that make over 200 million when opened around the same time as crowd-pleasing, wide audience grabbing like Rush Hour 3.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    if they make it PG-13

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i wont even see it. no way, no how. in fact, i wont see another FOX PG-13 movie ever again. hell, maybe ill never see a FOX movie again at ALL. we have to stop this folks.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    I'm glad it's PG-13, so they won't make any more

    by Moa Kaka

    If this movie were successful, they'd make part 5, 6, . . . 17, . . . 25, whatever. Willis is getting to be like Harrison Ford - we don't need to see a senior citizen trying to do action scenes. The old movies were great, let it go already . . .

  • May 2, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

  • May 2, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    God fucking damn it, that was the one deal breaker.

    by Ravetin

    This movie had slowly been winning me over, but wussing it down is the one possible thing that could have destroyed all hope I had. If they can de-ball it down to a PG-13, that probably means it was close to one already. So I doubt this was along the lines of the originals which have something like 60+ "fucks" each. This is absolute shit news.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    So it could be renamed-

    by Tal111

    Die Hard With A Vagina!

  • May 2, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    John McTiernan wouldn't put up with this shit.

    by OnomatoPoet

    Although he seems willing to commit perjury.<p>So Live Free or Die Hard is, y'know, for kids, plus in the UK we get the fucking geeky title Die Hard 4.0 because we're apparently too stupid to understand the joke. Meanwhile a wave of other child-friendly sequels and franchise movies delays the release of Grindhouse, which has been bifurcated anyway. <p>I therefore nominate 2007 as the year Hollywood managed the not unremarkable feat of self-castration.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by George Peppard

    This is a joke!

  • May 2, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    has fox not heard of counter programming?

    by waggy

    what's the point of cramming another pg-13 sequel in this summer? there is no hope of beating spider-man and pirates at their own game, especially not with a franchise that has been out of theaters for over 10 years. now, an adult action movie on the other hand might be a niche that needs filling....

  • May 2, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Talkbackers unite!

    by Some Dude

    Do not see this movie if it is PG 13. Tell all your non-TBer friends. Tell any little kids you know that this movie is really a kids movie (and thus not cool) and that they should just get the originals. This movie can be beaten.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    keeping my wallet in my pants if it's PG13

    by Russman

    I'm not surprised. The suits at Fox are spineless posers. Nice leter Vern - sounds like someone read The Fountainhead.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Vern, that was fucking genius...

    by colematthews

    don't listen to the haters telling you to edit. That rant was not something to speed through, but something to be savored, reveled in. Hell, I read it twice. So thank you.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Vern is 100% right

    by Lance Rock

    Especially when he points out that 16-year-olds are NOT the target market for this movie. I was 17 when the original came out, and I thought it was the perfect action movie. Subsequent Die Hards still got my money, but like the man said, after 12 years, for another entry to pry any more cash away from my hands, it's got to be worth it. A PG-13 Die Hard is totally flacid and definitely not worth this adult's time. Listen to Vern, Fox.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    A die hard DIE HARD die hard!

    by Neil McCauleys Crew

    that's right, stick it to 'em Vern!

  • May 2, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    JOHN RAMBO will be R!!!

    by ABking


  • May 2, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Is John McCain an action hero?

    by oisin5199

    Give victory a chance, muthafucka!Seriously though, how hard can this film be when the villain's a computer hacker?

  • May 2, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    “Outlaw” Vern’s arguments are doltishly obvious.

    by splungiest

    And Vern is preaching to the choir. (There is not one individual reading this site who would prefer a PG-13 rating for DIE HARD 4. Tig-ger, PLEASE.) <br><br>The PG-13 is going to stick because it’s purely a bookkeeping decision. <br><br>If DIE HARD 4 is rated R, 11-year-old kids will simply buy tickets to SHREK 3 and march into the DIE HARD 4 auditorium. DreamWorks collects all the “Die Hard 4” dollars and contributes them to the Obama campaign. <br><br>If DIE HARD 4 is rated PG-13, children of any age can effortlessly put the money in the hands of the Fox accountants. And then News Corp. can pass the presidential campaign funds along to whatever bullishit Christian oilman Halliburton deems to nominate next year. <br><br>This is the plan, and Fox will not deviate from this plan. Fox doesn’t give a shit what you’d enjoy, Vern. Most of the DIE HARD 4 tickets, like most the other cinema tickets generally , will be purchased by teens and college-age kids, not cranky 58-year-old paroled felons. <br><br> Anyway, DIE HARD 4 was directed by Kate Beckinsale’s handsome boyfriend, who made those shitty shitty supershitty UNDERWORLD movies. It was never ever ever going to be any good. Kindly shift your focus back to filmmakers that are worth the effort, like Soderburgh and Raimi and Nolan and the Coens.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    GREAT IDEA, FOX! You're all geniuses and here's why:

    by Stifler's Mom

    Going after the PG-13 rating is a sure-fire way to bring a new, younger audience to an R-rated franchise! It's bound to work for DIE HARD, just like it did with ALIEN: RESURRECTION, BEVERLY HILLS COP III, ANOTHER STAKEOUT, and ROBOCOP 3!

  • May 2, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST


    by kinghenryVIII

    Looks like it will now be a rental. I am not giving my $11 to some watered down "frickin" this and "frickin" that, and "mother frickin / screwer" shit. I want a fucking Die Hard movie!<p>Fuck it Dude. Let's go bowling.<p>I will not see this in the movies .... maybe will have it a week after it comes out.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I won't see a kiddie Die Hard film - Ever.

    by barnaby jones

    And nor should anyone. Good work Vern.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Hell yeah Vern. DIE SOFT indeed.

    by jrbarker

    well said.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Fox is forgetting one key thing...

    by colematthews

    that Bruce Willis is one of the all-time great screen-swearers around. He can string together some expletives like nobody this side of Sam Jackson. His rant in Pulp Fiction as he's on his way to get his watch back is some priceless swearing. The great thing about his scene with Karl in the first Die Hard was how he kept talking shit to him the whole time, talking about how he was gonna "break your fuckin' neck". Or his impassioned plea to the most annoying 911 operator in movie history "Jesus H. Christ, lady, do I sound like I"m ordering a fuckin' pizza?!?" On top of that, the Die Hard series as a whole has a long and glorious track record of solid cussers as supporting players. The king of which is Dennis Franz in #2 as the tight-ass airport cop who eventually comes around, but not before tearing Mclane a new asshole at least 3 or 4 times. Somehow I don't see that crucial archetype being filled by the kid from that movie where people got hit in the nuts with wrenches.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    I called this...

    by TheMovieLover

    I called this back when the very first teaser trailer hit. I said, please god don't do some stupid bullshit like have John McClaine say "yippee kai yay mother-" and then get cut off by a explosion or something. this is total bullshit. I dunno if I even want to see it anymore...

  • May 2, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Jesus fucking Christ

    by Norm Cascade

    I can't believe these Fox fuckers are going to cheat us out of seeing an R rated Die Hard movie on the big screen. OH BUT DONT WORRY - YOULL GET UR UNRATED AND UNCALLED FOR DVD RELEESE LOL! Fucking bullshit. These cocksuckers ruined XMen, and somehow found a way to destroy Alien and Predator in one fell swoop (which they're going to sweep again to make sure nothing is left intact). Fuck you, Fox. I have lost every ounce of respect for you degenerate fucktards. Do something about this Bruce!

  • May 2, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    I don't understand the American rating system.

    by Jakes Nel

    What's higher? NC17 or a R rating? Sorry, I'm stupid...

  • May 2, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    FOX already made Predators and Aliens gay !

    by Johannes

    And now McClane? What the fuck is wrong with you?

  • May 2, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    I hope this incorrect...

    by PeteBogs

    does anyone remember when an action, horror or teen comedy movie was a GUARANTEED R-rating? there is just no modern-day equivalent of the Porky's shower scene on the big screen... video maybe (this "unrated" stuff is purely marketing hype), but not in a multiplex...

  • May 2, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Here's hoping a planet-eating cloud destroys Fox

    by Boondock Devil

    Also could Fox be going PG-13 for this movie because maybe they're scared of what they've seen so far? What if it's really not a good movie and they figure the only way to make a few extra bucks is to be able to have a younger demo come out and pay money to see some truly horrible shite?

  • May 2, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST


    by lionbiu

    PG-13???! Well I wont be seeing it........what a crock of horseshit. I can remember first watching Die Hard and being blown away by the gritty violence and strong language. Why bother making it at all? Dear there nothing Fox won't fuck up.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    VERN baby I cried - well said

    by Evil Hobbit

    PG13 DIE HARD, I can't believe it. So we won't see much blood on McClane's shirt ey. No R-violence No money from me for studio. Fucking Fox, franchise killing whores.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    If this fucker ain't an 18 cert when out in the UK....

    by Gabba-UK

    Then you ain't getting my fucking money!!!!!!! What kind of pussy whipped, cock sucking anally retentive fuck-wit thought this one up??!!!!!! Die HARD!!!!!! The clue is in the title you stupid pricks! We get precious little in the corporate sponsored world that is LA LA land that isn't sanitised and plenty of shitty product that is only thought of as being worthy if fans of the Ashley twins can go see it (and I don't mean the 'fans' of the twins that want to screw the shit out of them. Sick fucks) Die Hard IS the greatest American action flick of all time, I'm with Vern 100% on that one. Give it a swan-song worthy of that proud history!

  • May 2, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Wow, I never even considered this.

    by Jack Burton

    Seriously. Never in a million years did I think Die Hard 4 would be PG-13. Then I remembered this is the new and improved 20th Century Fox, where franchises go to die and TV shows fail to live. A PG-13 Die Hard? I'll catch it on cable. Fuck you Fox.

  • May 2, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    That is so weak

    by superfleish76

    Die Hard was one of the first R-rated movies I ever saw in a theater. I've seen all three on their opening weekend. If this one is going to be PG-13, I will not pay money to see it!

  • May 2, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    From the people that made a pg13 Alien vs Predator

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    how the fuck do you take two hard R franchises, pit them against each other in a battle to the death and somehow come out with a PG13 rating. I hate everybody. Especially myself for going to see that piece of shit in the movies. It felt like somebody watched Aliens once and wrote a script....UGH!!!! As for Die hard 4, who cares, this movie had suck written all over it from the moment Len What The Fuck Have I Done To Deserve All This Good Fortune In MY Life - got a hold of it. Ugh. Why would Kevin Smith agree to be in this. He has to see why that would be bad, right? I just hope they go completely over the edge and get Vanilla Ice to do the Die Hard, Die Hard Rap! just like ninja turtles 2. Ugh!!!! Remember when people got into this business because they understood the magic and power of film. I hate everybody.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Remember when studios liked R ratings?

    by Patrick to the max

    I mean seriously... All 4 Lethal Weapon Movies were R. 300 just blew people away and it was R. All 3 of the Matrix movies have been R. What do all those movies have in common?? WB made them! They don't fucking shyaway from an R rating like these dumbasses at Fox! Die Hard has always been about blowning shit up and killing the terroists and screaming YIPPIE KY YAY MOTHER FUCKER! If this is PG-13, count me out. I don't want to see a dumbed down kids version of Die Hard.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    PG-13, huh? ...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...This has to be the worst idea since naming Renny Harlin director of Die Hard 2.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Fucking dissapointing! Die Tards!

    by Womb2dooM

    You catch a cracker off guard with this shit!

  • May 2, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    I told you this type thing would happen but no one

    by emeraldboy

    listened. I will explain again. One of the laws that the bush administration passed was called the family film act. Simply put it means that all studios have to by law have to tone down screen violence, take out cursing or anyhing that is deemed unsuitable for family audiences. Hence it is called the family film act.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Pretty sad.

    by mrfan

    I have enjoyed the DH movies. All four should be equal billing in the "R" rating. There is no excuse for this.<p>Also, to the idiot who said that 300 and Matrix were R movies that did good in the summer please check your facts again. Yes, they did fantastic at the box office but neither came out during the typical summer movie season. Both were March releases. Unless Fox changed this also then try to get the facts straight.<p>I wonder what kind of people run something like Fox. I always wanted to be in on the conversations that determine what audiences should receive at the box office. I guess history is not important. Oh well, one less movie for me to see at the theater.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    that Macintosh guy...

    by Bruno Diaz

    is a complete douche bag. This country is being taken over by douche bags. Thanks Vern for getting pissed about it. I can't believe I read the entire thing. (and another thing: If anyone from Macintosh/Apple (I refuse to call it "Mac") is reading this; please stop jamming that douche bag down our throats as a supposedly "cool guy". he's a fucking twerp. the dorky IBM guy is actually a lot more humble, disarming, easy to relate to and hence more charismatic. But then again, if you work on the "Mac" ad campaign, you're probably a total fucking douche bag yourself who drives a Segway to work and listens to bourgeois house music and says "podcast" a lot. Fuck you.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST


    by El Scorcho

    Luckily I have no connection to this franchise whatsoever. I've never seen a Die Hard film and it doesn't look like I'm gonna start anytime soon. Boycott it, motherfuckers. PG-13? Sissy, pansy bullshit.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Cannot wait for DH 5.

    by mrfan

    I bet we see Bruce Willis chasing after bad guys in one of those Shriner cars through some parade. There will be clowns, animals, and lots of kid sidekicks. It will be rated PG.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST


    by hadez

    Vern, I'm with ya 100%. So, I guess that the part in the trailer where he says "Yippee Kai Yey" then gets cut by something will actually happen in this movie. Fuck you, Fox!

  • May 2, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by TequilaMocking

    Matrix Reloaded made 900 billion dollars in the summer. As did Troy and Wedding Crashers. Even Bad Boys 2 didn't bomb.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Mr. FAN

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    Matrix 2, Terminator 2, Bad Boys 2, Saving private Ryan, Gladiator, Air Force One. all high grossing r rated action/ish. leave the kid alone

  • May 2, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Yippie-Kie-Yay, Motherfuckers!

    by CineRam

    That's all I'm saying, Fox. And Bruce sure as hell can't say what I just said if Live Free or Die on a Mineature Golf Course is PG-13. Save the line. Get the R. That's all I'm saying. Happy Trails. By the way, Vern, you fucking rock.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    america is a fucked up country....

    by emeraldboy

    You are all complaining that this film is not violent enough and yet the NRA is say there should be no gun control and if the students of Virginia tech had them there would have been no massacre. and yet loner can go into a gun shop and buy guns and blow people away. Insane.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST


    by kikuchiyoboy

    "Yipp Ka Yaaaaaay... Buttercup?"" Why stop at 13? Make it G like that 300 video. Then maybe I'd see it. Watered down McClane... what's the world coming too?

  • May 2, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Police Academy 1...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    rated 'R' and everybody in my junior high school saw it anyway.<p> Police Academy 2: PG-13... again everybody went and saw it; but even at 14 years old we were already getting over it.<p> When Police Academy films 3 through infinty came out and were rated PG, the only people I knew that saw them were the five year old brothers of my girl friends.<p> Like it or not Fox, if you start watering down the rating, the Sesame Street set will be the only audience left for the Die Hard films.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh


  • May 2, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    I looked at MIAMI VICE

    by Tourist

    The fact that it was, you know, Miami Vice, and also a stinking pile of boring inchorent ugly shit didn't help it's box office either.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Hey, I'm 16 and love the Die Hard movies

    by Z 008

    I love the name and trailer, but if this gets a PG-13, I've lost all little faith left I have in Fox. Yippie-Kie-Yay, Motherfuckers!

  • May 2, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Once Bush leaves the White House....

    by exie

    ...there will be a resurgance of hard R movies again. This religious right element that all these fucking myopic idiots in Hollywood so fear, will have lost their voice when we elect Gore or even Guiliani (the best scenario for Repubs).....Our next President isn't going to give a shit if John McClane says Mutherfucker or Sharon Stone takes it in the ass in Basic Instinct 3...they'll have better things to do like govern our country with a brain. Hollywood sucks balls. They are scared of alienating the dreaded "MIDDLE AMERICA" which translates to white religious fanatics. For some reason they care more about one sect of our country that probably doesn't go to their movies to begin with. They steal them. Online or w/hacked Direct TV boxes. Trust me. Everytime I've been in Middle America I'm stunned to see how smart those fuckers are when it comes to piracy. The moral of the story is this -- If John McClane can't say Yippe Kay Yay Mutherfucker in this movie, it will be laughed off as a tremendous bomb. Pull yer mutherfucking heads out of your asses Fox.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by wease1

    Seriously what the fuck, gogo the return of the production. :o

  • May 2, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Die Hard 4: The Search For More Money

    by Amy Chasing

    They'll release a PG film, and then make almost double the money when they release the PG & the R rated DVDs. Sucks to be a cinema fan.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    the only way for this to change is...

    by brassai2003

    Get Harry to Get Sly to Get BRUCE to lean on the studio. Ths studios laugh at TBs like this. I'm not wasting my energy ranting. It' SUCKS, but the studio will o what the studio will do. NOW, if you REALLY want to piss them off, get one of our web savvy TBers to set up a Boycott Die Hard website. With enough names, the media will pick it up (Next on CNN: the Power of the INternet!). seriouly, lets use the power of the web and fans.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh


  • May 2, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by Doc_Strange

    People have all but forgotten to say that in the talkbacks. Well if I'm gonna be the only one to keep it going, so be it. DAMN YOU ROTHMAN!!!! Fire this fucker already, shit.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Has the rating been confirmed yet?

    by BitterMan23

    Or is this just Bruce rambling?

  • May 2, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Hey Leafy and Tequila

    by mrfan

    Check out his post. He stated that 300 and the Matrix 1 were summer movies R rated that did great. Yes, both did fantastic business.They were not summer movies though. Not once anywhere in my post did I say that R rated movies did poorly in the summer. I saw many of the examples that were given. I love good R movies. All I know is that if you are going to talk the talk and rip other peoples posts then perhaps he should have done his homework with some the movies you both suggested. Wedding Crashers is an excellent example. Now let us pray that all Fox executives will feel the wrath of Bruce when he comes storming into their offices to kick some ass.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    The straw that broke the outlaw's back!

    by TELF

    Good for you Vern. We have to sort this shit out! One word (sort of) 300! That was R as a motherfucker and made a double ton of cash - worldwide. And that starred a Scots plank who can't speak properly... This has Bruce Willis in full non-cameo, non-Halle Berry, non-range exploring Fuck-you-I'm-Bruce-Willis mode. FUCK! Let the man MP5 kneecap someone in super slo mo. Let him drive an icicle into some goon's ocular cavity. Let him blow away a bunch of dudes at close quarters, in an elevator, on a hunch! It's what he does.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Rupert Murdoch

    by emeraldboy

    Rupert Murdoch Runs Fox as a family company. Die hard came out before he took it over. If Die hard had been released under his watch, it would have got a pg13 rating. He went ballistic when he found out about Fight Club, that movie was edited down under his orders, nothing happens in FOx without Murdochs approval and or say so, which is why he dumped futurama and family guy. He is unique in the world of entertainment, he has seen off all his rivals and if vern thinks that he will lose any sleep over the rantings of a fanboy thing again. Murdoch runs Fox with an Iron fist. Even his children call him boss and his children all work for him. He maybe 80+ put this is one of the smartest shrewdest people around. Who bought myspace for 300 million? he earns more money then any of you and he really doesnt give a shit. He is the boss of twentieth century Fox and untill such time as he cant breath, that is the way things will remain. If you want to understand the boss. buy the Murdoch Archipelago. and shudder.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Plus, if they do make it PG13...

    by BitterMan23

    are they going to have to change Tim Olyphant's character name to Mr. Falcon?

  • May 2, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    PG13 Die Hards = The terrorists have won...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Do you see people... R rated action movies abound, then the terrorist attacks of 2001, thereafter a decent into PG-13 mush. It was their plan all along, nobody respects America because of things like PG-13 Die Hards. It was a terrorist plan more fiendish than anything Marwan ever devised. The only way to fight back is a return to R rated action flicks of yore...

  • May 2, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Yippee-ki-yay, Mr Falcon.

    by SalvatoreGravano

    This entire thread is like one big chicken juss' waitin' to get plucked. Flip those melon farmers.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Harry's nephew is NOT having this!

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Full-on unrated European director's cut with special Paul Verhoeven guest-directed sex scene or he's not eating his vegetables! FUCK BROCCOLI!

  • May 2, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' just Die Already........

    by Doc_Strange

    The first one was pretty good but nothing to write home about, the second sucked a big donkey's balls, the third one was watchable-- on cable. I'm not holding out hope for this nor am I going to go out of my way to pay to see it. I don't give a shit about the rating. Bruce Willis career has pretty much run its course at the point where he lost that last bit of hair on his head.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST

    this is depressing.

    by mr. brownstone

    Seriously I feel sad and angry. All the other films in the series were R and each one made more money than the last! Why are they second guessing that? Corporate cowardice pure and simple. I was a member of the built in guaranteed first weekend auience for this movie, but guess what I will no longer be seeing this in theatres. I feel betrayed and insulted. I want to say this again : All the other films in the series were R and each one made more money than the last!

  • May 2, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    They most likely SHOT for a PG-13

    by performingmonkey

    I don't care what Willis supposedly said, this project probably only got green-lit if they promised to turn in a PG-13, even if they knew a harder version would exist for DVD. TRUST ME, it will have been shot for PG-13 with pussified content like Terminator 3 and Alien vs Predator (I'm not sure if T3 got a PG-13 but it got a 12A in the UK which is the same) and like those additions to classic franchises you just mess it all up by not taking the content level to the same...level. To some people this could look like a lot of whiney fanboys complaining because *wah* swwearwing and bwlood won't *wah* be in *wah*, but like has been said, this will NOT BE DIE HARD.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Once Bush leaves the White House.... Bitch, please.

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Yeah, it sucks that George W. Bush himself deployed special forces to the studios to prevent them from filming R-rated movies. And now we're stuck with family fluff like Hostel and Hostel Part 2 and The Hills Have Eyes and The Hills Have Eyes 2 and Saw 1, 2, 3 and 4 and Turistas and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Hannibal Rising and Zodiac.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Stop your bitching.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Have you fuckers seen a PG-13 movie lately? They are more violent than an R-rated movie from the 80's. You have to disembowel somebody on screen to get an R rating these days. There's nothing in the original Die Hard that you can't see on fucking 24 every week. Chill.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    What does it matter? We're all going to die eventually.

    by tonagan

    I'm in an existential mood tonight.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    die hard IV: the extra hard edition

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    in my heart i feel they might just make it an r rated movie and all will be well. but in my brain i think that since the movies got some young kid sidekick and young daughter held hostage the studios want highschool kids to see this and it will be pg-13. when i was in highschool i saw r' rated movies all the time. then i remember when i was 18 in like 1996 things started to change and they started carding at theatres, luckily i missed that. my point is fuck pg-13, i could handle an r rated movie in 5th grade even.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Yipee Ki Aye, You Bad Men!!

    by Edward_nygma

    Live Free Or ... I'm sorry, this has never happened to me before. Just give me a couple of minutes. Maybe if we watch a video or something. No, no... don't go... Awwwww hell.

  • May 2, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by Err

    This news is too shitty and too soon!

  • May 2, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    total bullshit. so you get

    by batmanthehorse

    total bullshit. so you get one fuck use in a pg13 right? so in the trailer when he says the yippee kay yay motherfucker and it cuts out before he says it...that oh...whatever. you cant make die hard pg13. i agree with you about the father and son thing too. my dad watched die hard with me when i was pretty young. that part where he's picking the glass out of his feet! that shit was fucked up. i cant beleive they would bother with this shit. why not just make another generic bruce willis movie instead of fucking up die hard.

  • May 2, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Somewhere in Sanford, Danny Butterman weeps...

    by jabbathegriffin

    Say what you will about Transformers, in the end it's just a cartoon. This is a MUCH BIGGER travesty if it's true. Fox has been getting a free pass because we're obsessed with flames on fucking Optimus!!!!!

  • May 2, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    ho ho ho

    by batmanthehorse

    now i've got an unrated yippy kay yay edition. give me a break. i was born in 1983 and i grew up with john mcclane. i remember riding my huffy up to kmart to buy the THX VHS trilogy set. i can see it now. bruce willis facing off against a terrorist who tells his henchmen "don't forget to use your nails boys"

  • May 2, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Right On

    by eric haislar

    Boycott the film if it is PG-13. I want to Die Hard!

  • May 2, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    bottom line is that they already filmed it with....

    by batmanthehorse

    a pg13 mentality. in order to be a true r-rated movie, it has to be r-rated from the start. its like when they added penis biting or whatever to that stupid snake ride on a plane. it was still a pg13 movie even if they did go back and add some r rated type shit.

  • May 2, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    getting a pg-13 is not bad, coulda been worse, coulda been is a compromise from the studio when a movie is originally rated R but the filmakers agree to cut a couple of really graphic prob wil be an R tho... anyone else see bruce willis drunk at the nets game online somewhere, where hes saying how this movie is his favorite movie since the original...and whoever said it earlier please dont say TROY or WEDDING CRASHERS when u want to argue why DIE HARD is ok with a pg-13 comparison, sorry, i dont find owen wilson or that other guy that funny anyways....and who gives a flying fuck about brad pitt anymore.....lay off the mac dude, hes an up and coming star, so is the hottie they got to play mcclaines daughter.......michael bay woulda made an awesome die hard

  • May 2, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Moa Kaka

    by mr. brownstone

    I guess you have never heard of Lee Marvin, Lee VanCleef, Clint Eastwood, Toshiro Mifune, Charles Bronson, etc. All those guys kicked ass till they day they died you fucking pussy.

  • May 2, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    of course

    by mr. brownstone

    Clint is still alive... but goes without saying.

  • May 2, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    My heart hurts

    by Turd Furgeson

    I can't believe this, I really can't... I was so excited by that last trailer, thinking of how much cool John McClane action they weren't showing us cause it was bloody or profane filled... I'm really not sure I'll see this now. I just went from seeing it on open day to maybe not seeing it at all. Let me guess, "Yipee Kay Yay Mother Fucker" will be the one F word in the film so they can keep it pg-13.. I am really dissapointed...

  • May 2, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Never gonna spend my hard-earned money

    by SpencerTrilby

    on a sissy PG-13 Die Hard. Never in a million years. Gotta sneak in theaters instead, and then spread the word that the movie is fucking bad (and I have a bunch of friends who are relying on my opinion when it comes to movies - much less when it comes to geopolitics, go figure) DAMN YOU TOM ROTHMAN!!!

  • May 2, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    A sad day

    by Gr33nlant3rn

    Who the hell ever even thought of making a Die Hard movie that was going to be rated pg-13. a lot of the most exciting parts and plot points in the original came with britality.

  • May 2, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Another rant

    by BitterMan23

    This guy isn't as funny as Vern, but maybe the more rants that show up, maybe FOX will re-consider!<br> <br> haha yeah right.<br> <br> anyway:<br>

  • May 2, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST


    by Err

    And just as crappy too!

  • May 2, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST


    by Mezzanine

    Get your shit straight, no one is MAKING the studios dumb down the violence. If the shit you were talking about were true, do you think we would have seen Hostel, or Grindhouse? No, you fuck! Studios are dumbing shit down so they can make more money off of dumb ass people like you, who probably thought the Phantom Menace was "OMG! Kick ass, I love Jar jar!" Fuck off and die. Oh, and by the way, Fox can go fuck off and die as well. If this is PG-13 count me out.

  • May 2, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Plain and simple...

    by NubtheSquirrel

    I won't go see it if it gets hacked to a PG-13. The first three were "R", "Shoot Em Up" will be "R", "300" one of the biggest movies of this year so far was "R" and didn't suffer from that at all. Giving a Die Hard movie an R rating will take the violent edge from it. It will feel cheapened somehow. The grittiness that makes these movies what they are will be absent. Not even kidding. This movie gets a PG-13, I don't give a shit. Fox will not get my hard earned six bucks for the flick. Hell, they won't even get my one dollar when it reaches the dollar theater here in Fort Worth. It's a fucking Die Hard movie. PG-13? No ass in seat for it. Plan and simple...

  • May 2, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    PG-13 DIE HARD should have been called...

    by Harry Weinstein

    DIE HARD AT THE BOX OFFICE. Because it will. Best Vern posting EVER. Reason 1: "a die hard DIE HARD die hard". Brilliant. Reason 2: The bit about fathers and sons is directly on point, 100% accuracy. DIE HARD wasn't the first R movie I saw in a theater with my dad - that'd be BEVERLY HILLS COP II. But it was the first one that actually mattered, where we both came out of it knowing we'd just witnessed a for-real classic and that mom almost certainly wouldn't have approved. Way to fuck up a much-needed father-son bonding moment for the youth of today, Fox. You guys just plain suck.

  • May 2, 2007, 8 p.m. CST


    by NubtheSquirrel

    It's not a Die Hard movie without a Yippie Ki yay Motherfucker! That's sure to be the first thing gone despite being in the trailers now...

  • May 2, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Didn't you see this coming a mile away?

    by The Artist FKA Vesuvio

    Those guys fucked up with Aliens, Predator, X-men and, for many, Star Wars and Terminator - plus The Simpsons, The X Files, 24 and many others on TV. Of course they'd fuck up John McLane. That's what Fox do. It fucks up things.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I blame special edition unrated DVD's

    by Ironmuskrat

    Seems like its standard procedure for movies studios to double dip the public now. Release a movie in theaters at PG-13 to maximize your potential audience. Then turn around six months later and release a special edition unrated version to lure people into buying the version "you couldn't see in theaters!" What a load of bullshit! It like a bait and switch scam. You pay your cash to see a movie in good faith believing its the finished product. Then you find out six months later there is actually a different version of the movie coming out on DVD that may or may not be better then the one you shelled out $20 to see. Now I understand that directors may film scenes or an ending to a movie that may not make the final cut, but back in the day that was a decision that was made to make the movie best possible "final" version possible. You just know that the new Die Hard movie was filmed with a PG-13 and an R rated version. Why not release both versions at the same time and see how they do money wise.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Tom Bodet, that was hilarious!

    by iron pills

    Dirty Harry with a walker and a 12 gauge! Hahaha! I don't think I've laughed that hard in a while! Back to Die ??? This series began and should end as a rated R, balls to the wall, all out action flick. This watering down of hard, R rated franchises needs to stop pronto (I'm lookin at you, Alien vs Predator) Like someone else said earlier, his goddamn tag line is "yipee-kay-yay mother fucker". How is he supposed to pull that line off in a pg-13 flick? It'll be like watching an R rated flick dubbed over for basic cable. Yipee-kay-yay mother flower. Doesn't have the same ring to it. And can someone point Fox over to Box-Office Mojo and show them how much money an R rated flick can make (300?) Jesus...

  • May 2, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Die Tard was NOT filmed as PG-13.

    by Womb2dooM

    As stated in the opening, the film was shot as an R and will LIKELY be cut to PG-13. This isn't guaranteed and it is not the end of the world. It's just another grey hair on the film communities head. We're not at "Stroke" alert yet, people.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    I was going type out a bunch of...

    by Howard the Duck

    ...venom and fiery anger-ridden R-rated shit, but I just can't bring myself to do it. So, I'll keep it short: Fuck you, fucking Fox, you motherfuckin' shitheads.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    BTW, doesn't PG-13 still permitted 1 F-bomb?

    by Womb2dooM

    That was my understanding of the MPAA rating (as a non-USA-ian), so long as the "fuck" isn't sexual. They'll probably still be able to slip in the "Yippie-kay-yay, Motherfucker!" so long as it's not replaced with; "Yippie-kay-yay and now I will fuck your mother til she die hard!".

  • May 2, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    A PG-13 Die Hard is for.....

    by mrtwig48

    .....little kids and gays who like 13 year olds.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    I Die Hard for rated R

    by gusradio

    I'm Down with the violence and bad language. I'm also down with films that are unreasonably irrisponsably violent as ever living fuck too.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST


    by decfx

    the movies you mentioned were not released as summer movies. asswipe!

  • May 2, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    I'm fine with even a PG Die Hard.

    by darthbinks1220

    And as for best action film of all time, I think Raiders is alittle better than Die Hard. So get over the dearth of four letter words, people.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Fucking cocksucking pussies. It's just a movie, but FUCK!

  • May 2, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Dear Mister Feather

    by casinoskunk

    ... you are a fool if you make this PG-13

  • May 2, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    "not the one who got butt-fucked on live Tv

    by George Peppard

    ...Dwayne!" We wouldn't have this gem if PG-13 infected die hard 88.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by Lucasblows

    ...mother fricker! ...mother fudger! very bad man! ...jerk! ...poopie head! ...villain number four! Doesn't have the same ring as YIPPIE-KAI-AYE MOTHER FUCKER!

  • May 2, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Don't be Ellis and

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    The American Family could fall apart. Brilliant. Thank you Vern. You remain my favorite AICN contributor. Now to read everyones' posts.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    I get sick of all the PG-13 fare

    by zooch

    And I want to see a good hard R-action film. What about me, I'm in the target demographic? Look like I'll have to look elsewhere.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, Tits

    by Gozu

    What's funny is that routine is over thirty years old...AND IT'S STILL TRUE TODAY! Here's the transcript:

  • May 2, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    God I Miss the 80s

    by Liberty Valance

    Die Hard, First Blood, The Terminator, Aliens, RoboCop, Predator...the list goes on and on. All uncompromising, hard R actions flicks that made fortunes and launched franchises. Maybe I'll just sit home with my DVD collection and giant TV this summer and reminisce about that golden age when action movies weren't pussified crap.

  • May 2, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Darth Binks

    by Bubba Gillman

    I concur. Raiders is actually the greatest American action movie. Otherwise, great article Vern. I wonder if Raiders would get a PG if released today.

  • May 2, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    by GQtaste

    Check out a bombed Willis the other night @ NY Nets game. He drunk as shit and says this film is BETTER than the first one! Oh, and he says....? Check it out!

  • May 2, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    this is one of the main reasons i left the business

    by yassoo

    maybe some of you here have participated in the jerk-off sessions called meetings at the studios. where the marketing "staff" has more say than anyone else. fuck them and fuck hollywood. they're so afraid to not make their bottom-line (even though the bottom line is a hazy concept), and not reach their core-audience (read: kids), that they forget that WE are the core audience. fuck them. budgets have ballooned so out of whack that its somewhat understandable that they want the most people seeing their movies as possible, but come on -- what 14 year old cares about Die Hard? one of the talkback posters was right -- this "core" was what, 4 when the original came out? were they even born? give me fucking break. None of these execs have the guts to stand up. Sure some of them can say "well Miami vice was R-rated and look how it did... Or Grindhouse etc" Well Vice SUCKED and Grindhouse was looooong and masturbatory. I read an early draft of Die Hard 4.0 (at the time), so i dont know how its changed, but reading it i remember so clearly saying that if this ever gets made, it'll never get an R. Can you imagine any of the best action movies of the 80s getting made now? Beverly Hills Cop without swearing? FUCK THEM. Yes the scotch has kicked in tonite, but the state of the studio system is pathetic and run by spineless jellyfish whose only existence is to not get fired.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    My rant from Myspace

    by Camacho for President

    This isn't my usual kinda thing, but being a fan of films and movies, I have an overwhelming desire to speak up about this subject. The castration of films for the sake of making a buck. For years and years now, we've been subjected to movies pushed out by major studios for the sole purpose of making that almighty teen dollar, the babysitter buck, if you will. We were subjected to one of the most poorly executed ideas in film franchise history in the past 5 years with a high concept, fan driven, clusterfuck that was Aliens vs Predator. Two franchises on their own with nothing but a hard R rating for each of the films that came before this steaming pile of shite. The same studio who produced and distributed a rushed final X-men movie. The same studio which is about to drop, of all things, a fucking PG-13 DIE HARD FLICK. This news dropped into my lap this evening, with a suprising ball crushing thud. When I was the wee age of 9, I watched the first Die Hard film. That shit changed my life; albeit the first R rated film I ever saw in theatres was Rambo 3. Nevertheless, the central point is, that film and the next 2 sequels after that were also very R rated. To make anything less is completely FUCKED UP. This isn't too much of a blow, I suppose the studio that is doing this is simply just packing more asses in seats. They will without a doubt release a director's cut on DVD in about 5 months, after the film sees it's last pennies from that aforementioned babysitter buck. That is no consolation prize to those who this franchise was bulit around. We the people, deserve as much blood, ass, guts, tit and profanity as we have been taught to get from a film titled Die Hard. This studio doesn't give a flying fuck about us, they have proven it time and time again, with the treatment of fan films such as Alien vs Pedator and the countless comic book films that they have butchered. Word on the streets is for the next Fantastic Four film, which is technically the Silver Surfer movie fan boys like myself have been pining away for since the days of the first Spider-Man flick and even before then. In this flick, which the first one actually sucked sweaty goat balls for many different reasons, they have taken the Surfer's nemesis, Galactus and supposedly turned this massive alien being with a big fucking purple helmet, (insert joke here), into a fucking ominous looking gas cloud. For fuck's sake people, we can't do this shit to ourselves anymore. Let the true fans be heard, after all it is our money that essentially fuels these pieces of film and sound into the staples in pop culture that they eventually become. Stop paying for this shit and maybe we won't have to endure this kind of blatent corporate disregard towards our cherished artistic properties. If this trend doesn't stop, I for one, we be forced to make my own movies; out of wooden toilet paper and binge drinking, alcohol induced explosive hobo shit. Still, the finished product would draw more attention and praise than a PG-13 Die Hard movie. Thoughts please.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    "PG-13 is not dying hard."

    by CoursinLarry

    This is the coolest thing I've ever read on this site. Loved the part about the dads taking their sons and having them think the dad is cool. So fucking true. Good job, Vern. I hope it works.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    means the terrorists have won. Fox of course, being the terrorists. Unrated dvd, here we come. By the by, where is the fucking Last Boy Scout sequel dammit? Vern, top drawer column brother. Keep it up.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST


    by Liberty Valance

    This isn't about a lack of witty profanity-laced insults. It's about abandoning the characterization and tone established by the first 3 movies. Die Hard isn't Die Hard without Takagi's brains splattering all over a glass door after Gruber ventilated his skull. DH2 isn't DH2 without bullets ripping through bodies in the Annex Skywalk shootout or McClane stabbing a dude in the eye with an icicle. And DH3 ain't DH3 without that crazy blonde bitch painting the walls with a security guard's blood as she slashed his throat a billion times. We don't want to see a PG-13 Die Hard any more than you would want to see an R-rated Indiana Jones. Indy spilling blood, ruthlessly killing people, getting drunk and dropping an endless series of F-bombs wouldn't sit too well with you, would it? That's because it would be a complete bastardization of an established character. Open your eyes--Fox is changing a character we love only to increase their bottom line. And for that we say, "Fuck them."

  • May 2, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    darthbinks1220... way off there buddy

    by modlight

    The fact that you can't differentiate between Indiana Jones and John McClane is why they screw up movies with ratings system. Action movies have genres of their own. I don't think anyone here would like an Indy movie that was full of curse words, darker,and overt gore (hence why Temple is sort of shunned). They also don't want John McClane softened as it would take away from the character and atmosphere created by the other movies. Different things need to be handled with different gloves and Fox put their Kid Gloves on a few years ago and hasn't taken them off.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST


    by polyh3dron

    It doesn't have the same ring to it.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Bubba Gillman/ Liberty Valance

    by darthbinks1220

    Bubba: Raiders is perfection. It's Beethoven's 5th. Liberty Valance: Good point in the context of continuity. I'd be flabbergasted at a foul-mouthed Indy. It's blasphemy, I guess, for a Bond-mannered McClane.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    They are cutting his balls off!

    by zooch

    Not even a casual Die Hard fan would buy a PG-13 DIE HARD starring the Mac kid and tech nerd Kevin Smith and no cursing McClane.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    modlight / Liberty Valance

    by darthbinks1220

    I still though Casino Bond was a PG-13 badass. Ditto Batman Begins. Guess we'll always agree to disagree. Besides, being in the minority is cool, but maybe not for Fox. lol

  • May 2, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Another movie I wont see at the cinema...

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Thanks to the fucking suits. They wonder why people download movies when they keep pulling shit like this?

  • May 2, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Don't invoke Raiders of the Lost Ark

    by I Dunno

    Raiders was a PG franchise. Die Hard is an R franchise. Of course you can make a good PG-13 action movie. But not Die Hard. "Yippee Kay yay...moth...*explosion*!!! Whatever.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Ya gotta admit...

    by ZaphodBeeblerox

    If this thing is released with a PG-13 rating about the only thing that will 'Die Hard' will be the franchise itself. As a young man the original Die Hard was the most kick ass action movie I had ever seen and still ranks in my favorite 2 or 3 all time films of that genre. There was a hero that was flawed, but beyond that, he wasn't invincible. He gets f*cked up and hurt. Not everything goes his way either, but he perseveres and makes do. I dont know if those studio heads realize how loyal fans can be to film franchises that they love. The Die Hard franchise are adult action movies. They arent for kids. As Vern pointed out, the only audience that changing from an 'R' to a 'PG-13' would benefit would be an audience that was barely out of diapers when the last movie was released. They didnt grow reciting lines from the movie, especially the trademark, "Yippi-Kay-Ay". The very audience that should be courting and marketing to are those of us that made the previous 3 films a part of our lives. I know that I sure as hell will not go to see in a theater, EVER rent, or watch on free tv ANY Die Hard film that's emasculated enough to be released to theaters with a PG-13 rating. Talk about a slap in the face...

  • May 2, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Bond and Batman were never R series

    by BitterMan23

    thats the whole point.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I agree with Batman Begins/Bond

    by modlight

    I don't think those should be R. They are gateway heros.. If they were to much more violent and darker it would take away from their accessability. A 9 year old probably shouldnt be watching Die Hard, they should be watching Casino Royale and Batman to get ready for Die Hard in a couple years. Plus those were reboots... if in 15 years they want to reboot Die Hard (shudder) and want to take the character in that direction of PG-13 I guess they can. But if it's Bruce yippekayaking through some terrorists then there better better be some blood and fucks.

  • May 2, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    WE "NERDS" HAVE TO UNITE ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by nopix


  • May 2, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    The problem isn't ratings its being Genuine...

    by modlight

    The American public may not know quality, but they feel honesty. It's why Grind House Tanked... it was too tounge in cheek and disingenuine. If it had been truthfully bloody, like 300 then it would've been a success. Same here. if the American public gets a whiff that this is gonna be bullshit PG-13, it'll tank. Hopefully they'll learn their lesson and next time we'll be safe.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Even if it does get the R rating

    by I Dunno

    That will just mean that they leave in a FUCK here or there. It doesn't change the fact that they FILMED it to be optional. <p>It's like those hi-larious PG-13 comedies that suck ass and then they release the "wild unrated" version and there's never really anything different because they never filmed the movie to be an R in the first place. </p>

  • May 2, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    FOX can FOX themselves

    by haitu

    although, i believe the movie won't be nearly as good as the others, i would still want to watch it, but Fox has sealed the deal because I will not watch a PG 13 DIE HARD. Instead, i will be pirating it. peace.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Fuck Fox if they do this

    by EatIt

    For reals.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    modlight : best reboot in recent mem-- Balboa!

    by darthbinks1220

    When Sly comes back, I want to rant about Burt Young being snubbed by the academy. I mean, did you see the emotion when he said "I can do this no more Rocko." Paulie owns.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with Fox...

    by Christopher3

    And it's official. They're the summer's biggest pussies. Yippy Ki Yay, Martha Focker!

  • May 2, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Cool. So how was the movie?

    by Freakemovie

    Good point and all, but was that supposed to be a review? Did you see it to make sure it actually sucked?

  • May 2, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST


    by hargon27

    If Bruce Willis is that unhappy with it being PG-13 he should threaten not to promote the movie unless Fox meets his demands of an R-rating. That strategy worked wonders for Tom Cruise when he wanted that episode of South Parked from Paramount.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    No R means no money from me.

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Believe it.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Don't be Ellis. That's funny.

    by DarthCorleone

    <em>"And for kids who are allowed to go to R-rated movies with grownups. It is part of a long tradition of dads taking their kids to see R-rated movies, and making them think their dad is cool. If you pull this punk PG-13 move their dads will no longer be cool. The American family could fall apart."</em><br><br> Well said. I was one of those kids, and it was great. I saw Alien and The Shining both by the age of 5. I turned out great.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    There were a lot of things making me wonder about

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>this film. I expected to see it in the theater, but I didn't like the bald pate, the Mac kid--hated the idea of that snot-nosed brat fucking up the movie--and the CGI was way out of control. BUT it was Die H*** and it was Bruce Willis, so who knows, maybe it would surprise. But releasing at anything less than an "R" rating is heresy. It's walkie talkies instead of guns. It's Greedo shooting first. It's Indy having a son tagging along. IT'S WRONG.</p> <p>So I won't be dropping my $11 for Live Free or Die Broke. Take that and shove it in your spreadsheet, accountants/cowards who run Fox. If you have a certain director like PT Anderson make a film for you, you give him the tools and the cash and get out of his way. If you have Bruce Willis star in another Die Broke movie, you let the bullets fly, the blood flow, and the buildings explode...and you make damned certain that it's an R rated film, because there is something known as TRADITION. And that should still matter in this business.</p> <p>But here's the deal: Fox learned from observing Lucas' experience with the Prequels that you can ignore the ones who brought you to the dance, because there is a whole new generation of suckers who don't know any better. So they will play it safe and put this out as a PG-13 and expect that they can release an "unrated" DVD that will sell like hotcakes because of all that juicy stuff they cut for the theatrical run. But the truth is all they'll do is add a few minutes, and they can call it unrated, and they'll sell a bunch of discs, and they'll have their jobs, and they'll sleep very well at night, because they got theirs, Jack, and they're soulless bastards anyway.</p> <p>Thank you, Vern, for taking on this fight, but it's tilting against windmills.</p>

  • May 2, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Hoping and praying this ain't true...

    by cdubbs727

    Releasing a PG-13 Die Hard would be career suicide. Die Hard was a series known for 2 things: brutal, bloody action and Bruce Willis dropping the F-Bomb. I know FOX execs probably think "well, we can still do a PG-13 and give them big action sequences and stunt." But what you WON'T have is the blood flying from the gunshot wounds, icicles through the eyes, or all the stuff that makes the Die Hard series great. You'll have a movie that looks like Die Hard, but lacks any of what MADE it Die Hard. It will suck if it's PG-13.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Yay - another article the suits can ignore!

    by Doctor_Sin

    It would be nice if some of this pissy whining (with which I agree, btw) could actually, i don't know, find it's way into a wider medium than AICN. This is something requiring all-out social activism.<p>Now, back to my lasagna.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Best AICN posting ever

    by Chief Redcock

    Thank you, Vern, that was truly kickass. PG-13 Die Hard? They might as well rerelease The Detective and call it Die Hard Begins, to complete this desperate ATTEMPT (and probably failed attempt) at a cash-in... (actually, rereleasing The Detective would be pretty cool)...

  • May 2, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Live Free and Die Cop-out

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    God DAMMIT I hate Fox. Fuck those stupid bastards and their ridiculous decisions. Whether it's the TV or the Movies, FOX = SHIT. If it's not R, I ain't goin.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    NO R, NO SALE!!!

    by CyberBeavis1326

    "Die Hard" was one of the first really good action movie I remember seeing as a kid in the theater. An old friend on the family took me to see it on the airbase in Turkey when I was 7. I can't imagine a PG-13 "Die Hard." I'm a fan of the series that loves 1 and 3, and thought 2 was ok. I have personal reasons to love 3, cause some of it was filmed where I lived in and around Charleston, SC at the time. Vern, congrats I agree. No R rating, no sale. I already am afraid of the director, he fucking blows. If this makes money, my big request, do one more full R rating with Micheal Bay directing (but strip him of his known ammenities, like the silly logos, etc.). Like when he did "Bad Boys", when he was just a budding action director. Micheal Bay could make one hell of a "Die Hard" film.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Die Puking

    by alphachemwolf

    I guess there is now no reason whatsoever to watch this movie. Spiraling downhill since the first that puts this in the toilet. They will not get my money.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    A 24 film will have the problem,if that gets made

    by Chris38

    As another poster mentioned, Fox will definitely release an R rated version on DVD (to double dip after it's first released in a PG13 version). This is going to be the same problem a 24 film will have (that a PG13 rating will be an insult to that show's fans), if that gets off the ground before it's final season (since it has 2 seasons left), or just after it finishes on TV.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    If it's PG then i wont be paying to see it...

    by quantize

    wake the fuck up hollywood

  • May 2, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST


    by turketron

    I saw the trailer for the first time yesterday, and I forwarded it to a few friends because it looked awesome. "Sure, the Mac guy sucks, but it's Die Hard" I said to myself. Then, after watching an awesome episode of Lost, I swing by here on the way to the talkback and I see this shit.<p><p> WHAT. THE. FUCK. There is absolutely no way in hell I will pay money to watch a PG-13 Die Hard. Fuck this shit, I'm spreading the word far and wide. If it ain't R, it definitely ain't Die Hard. Fuck, I have to go to bed pissed off now.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Son, you got a panty on your head...

    by The Atomic Worm

    This is the worst idea in the history of bad ideas. If this happens, my $$$$ stays firmly in my pocket.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay would have no clue what to do with McClain

    by Bronx Cheer

    Seriously, CyberBeav, Die Hard had a soul, had a beating heart, sweat and sinew. Bay makes films that have all the depth of saran wrap. There are half a dozen directors who could breathe some serious life into Die Hard if given the chance. But Bay is definitely not one of them.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    You hear me? No R, no $$$$$$$

    by The Atomic Worm

    No R, no $$$$$$$

  • May 2, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    At this point I don't even think Fox is in it for the..

    by rbatty024

    money, I think they just want to shit on the fans of these series. Even greed cannot explain how these assholes have consistently put out terrible sequels to time honored genre films. The only explanation is spite.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    I won't pay money to see a PG-13 version, on principle.

    by Chief Redcock

    That's all I have to say really.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    After "Crapsino Royale" I resolved not to go to a movie

    by kabong

    unless I am assured that it is likely to satisfy my requirements of it. <p> If a movie is trading on certain expectations, I have to be sure it's going to meet those expectations. Making Die Hard 4 a PG-13 is sufficient reason for me not to spend time and money going to see it. <p> Theatre releases are, it seems, commercials for the DVD versions. Perhaps Die Hard 4 will have a DVD version with R-rated material added/restored.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST



    If is going to be PG-13 then I'm not going to see it. I'm sure it would be awesome to see it with a bunch of little kids talking on their cell phones with babies crying behind me. Count me out.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    "Die hard DIE HARD die hard?"

    by Billyeveryteen

    Amen brother. Don't be Ellis.

  • May 2, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Live Soft

    by FilmFanatik

    What a pile of crap. Fuck fox. They fuck their fans over fucking repeatedly. Fuck Fox. Fuck them up their stupid asses.

  • May 2, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Yippee-kay-yay, Mr. Falcon

    by Osmosis Jones


  • May 2, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    This year's Little Miss Die Ki ya!

    by Phillyflopper

    Or perhaps Die Hard 4.0: The Xtra Cloudy and balmy edition.

  • May 2, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Vern burn himself in front of studio: YAYYY!!!

    by AvengingFist

    a plus.

  • May 2, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Live free or blow chunks!

    by Phillyflopper

    Cause that's how the models do it!

  • May 2, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I got that watching a Rated R film today. I ranted on The Zone. Nothing is sacred anymore. Sure it's just a movie, but I don't pay to listen to morons. I pay to watch a film. Well, I won't be paying to see this one.....Assholes.

  • May 2, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Murdoch pro-censorship?

    by Rindain

    I'm not too familiar with Rupert Murdoch. Anyone know how conservative he is when it comes to "family values"? I'm starting to think the Fox heads might not have much say and that Murdoch may be setting FOX policy regarding ratings.

  • May 2, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Rating's Not the Only Problem

    by wilbur gray

    Why is it that the only returning element from the original film is Bruce Willis?With A Vengeance was good,but sorely missed any other actor from the first Die Hard.At least Die Harder was smart enough to include some of the other characters,especially Bonnie Bedelia's Holly.The best the last one could do was have a shrill voice on the phone not unlike Selma Diamond's in It's a Mad,Mad,Mad,Mad World.And where is writer Steven DeSouza these days?If he wrote a sequel to Commando would it feature a twenty-something sidekick for Arnold like every other franchise sequel these days(Indiana Jones,Mummy and the new Die Hard).The other thing that pisses me off is Willis dumping on the other two sequels.He seemed happy enough when he was promoting them.

  • May 2, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Fox also claims Die Hard is most anticpated of summer

    by 2Utah2 Is this a joke? Didn't know the Die Hard hype machine was so powerful. I have a hard time believing that Pirates and Spiderman will not gross 4 times as much as this not-needed movie. I love how they try to claim that this is the sleeper hit of the summer.

  • May 2, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST

    ""What? A new DIE HARD?

    by Blok Narpin

    ""What? A new DIE HARD? Where he's bald? And the title is funny? And the Macintosh guy is in it? And fucking Silent Bob? And it's PG-13? I don't want to see that shit!" " Othen then the PG 13 rating, and the lame title, everything else you just named is awesome. I'll be there opening night.

  • May 2, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Fox needs to Get out

    by Phategod2

    Die hard is not even the most anticipated Movie In a Fox Board room.

  • May 3, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    by filename.exe

    Enough emails, MAY change something???? Or where would the best place be?

  • May 3, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Not seeing this now

    by gorydon

    Goddamn you FOX and whatever cunt you crawled out of.

  • May 3, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    right on

    by El Borak

    executives don't know what the fuck is going on.

  • May 3, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Emerald Boy can fuck right off

    by 12-GAUGE

    Don't exploit the V-Tech massacre by bringing it into this debate. I don't know what bumfuck country you're from, but we all have our problems. Ours in consideration, I'm sure we still pound your ass any day of the week on the worthiness scale. And if you're that passionate about your stance, then don't see the movie no matter the rating, or plenty of other movies for that matter that may have some violence. Whiny anti-american fucks.

  • May 3, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    VERN, I LOVE YOU!!!!

    by DerLanghaarige

    Not sure if it's homo-erotic love, but you just said it like it is and for this, Vern, I will thank you forever!

  • May 3, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST


    by Strshp2rpr

    There is absolutely no way you can possibly make a Die Hard movie without the above word being used at least a dozen times, along with really bloody graphic gunshots. If this movie isn't rated R, I WILL NOT see it, andI will suggest to all my friends that they not see it (as it is, nobody is really talking about this movie or interested in seeing it). Fox, don't be retarded. Seriously. Stop and think...dont make yourselves look foolish.

  • May 3, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST

    "Come on, Show Him... It's a Rolex."

    by crazywomansquilt

    Shoot some close ups of Sam Jackson and pop it back up to an R. I'm hoping, for the fan's sake, that fox is just posturing so that when they decide to release the film as an R they can make a really big deal out of its R rating and how they're devoted to giving the fans what they want, responding to the will of the people, what a fan friendly monster we are, etc. But frankly, this flick just doesn't look to have any of the swagger of the other Die Hards. It looks like it has that CGI sheen to it, digital cars flyin at people n shit. I'm guessing we will not hear Bruce say "You shoulda heard your brother squeal when I broke his fucking neck." And Vern is good. Vern is great. Don't Be Ellis.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    "Err... chief?"

    by DocPazuzu

    "What is it, Philbrick?" <p> "It's those talking back fellas again!" <p> "Well? Whaddaya waitin' for? Print out the backtalkers chat and call a meeting. Oh, and fetch me that geek dictionary, you know -- the one with all the sex and shit words in it." <p> "It's no use, chief. Not this time." <p> "Whaddaya mean 'it's no use', Philbrick? We're FOX!" <p> "Well, chief, Vern's leading them." <p> "What?! Quick, scramble the lawyers! Slap the lids on! Recall the script! Muster the plants! Spin it, Philbrick, SPIIIIIIIN IIIIIT!!"

  • May 3, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST


    by Jed

    You have my sword, sir. Let's take 'em down.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    you sold me, I'll boycott @ PG-13

    by darwinmayflower

    that "don't be Ellis" shit was classic. IF they make it R, I'll buy a ticket.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST

    You can make it reated R all you want...

    by DOGSOUP

    Still wont change the fact the brilliant mind behind Underworld and Underworld 2: Underworld Harder (Not to mention the upcoming Underworld Begins. DVD's are beautiful things and the original will never Die......uh......Hard....

  • May 3, 2007, 1:25 a.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Let's unite and write "BOYCOTT" IN THE SUBJECT LINE FROM HERE ON. Die Hard deserves one of those '60s type protests.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Damn you Vern

    by Movie Ed

    You are right, DIE HARD is not a PG-13 franchise. And about the Dad thing, again true. I my be old but my dad took me to see "Freebie and the Bean" remember that one? And also "Survive" HAHA. People eating human flesh, Man i miss those days. Die Hard is one of those movies, that mom's don't agree with. But it is one those films where your old man and you can bond. Where a man can shoot someone else in the head, AND YOU SEE IT. Where the phrase "MOTHER FUCKER" is an inside joke, that Mom would get pissed. I know someone who worked on it and he said it turned out better than he expected, but RE-EDIT, it's an "R" movie. Bring back FATHER and SON movies!!!

  • May 3, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Well said...

    by Artifakts

    Good work, Vern. Please keep us updated with what's happening with it.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST

    A sign that the world is coming to an end

    by Mastashake

    I think that Hot fuzz may actually be more of a Die hard movie than Friggin Die hard.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST


    by Mastashake

    I meant this new die hard... Die moderatly firm 4.0

  • May 3, 2007, 1:54 a.m. CST

    A sign that the world is coming to the end

    by Mastashake

    I think that Hot fuzz may actually be more of a Die hard movie than the new Friggin Die hard movie.

  • May 3, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST


    by Crimson King

    How dare they pussify John McClane. These fucking douchebags need to go snort their mountains of coke and OD already. And by the way, I was 8 or 9 (10 AT MOST) when Terminator 2 came out and my MOTHER took me to see it in the theater. Of course, not without renting the original Terminator first! Whatever, dude...Live Free or Die Lame should be the new title. Seriously, like this movie doesn't already have issues to contend with...there's the daughter in jeopardy angle (they should bring back Bonnie Bedelia, she had the balls to stand up to Hans), there's Justin Long, there's Kevin Smith (who I like, but still, in a Die Hard movie??), there's Len Wisemanm, the use of CGI....already this movie has a lot to prove. Now they want to cut its nuts off?? Fucking ridiculous.

  • May 3, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    I must have missed 60 Minutes, What are you saying?

    by conniebrean1

    That this is rated PG-13? LAME. The AVP comparisons are apt: you cut off its balls and everyone will hate it. Oh and if you give it a shitty director. And change the nature of the main character. And give him a smart alecky son. And put a family member in danger (another lame part of Die Harder). Also, I think 16 year olds are more familiar with the franchise than you people are giving them credit for, and they'll realize this is bullshit. They'll still see it, though.

  • May 3, 2007, 2:27 a.m. CST


    by lionbiu

    I am sure you can't say motherfucker in a PG-13. Is there not a rule against saying Fuck in a sexually explicit way in a PG-13?! It's on the mpaa website. so there will be no yippi ki yay mother fucker

  • May 3, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    by misnomer

    why not eh?

  • May 3, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    New Catchphrase

    by Crimson King

    John McClane's gonna bust out his pack of Orbit Raspberry Mint gum and say "Yippe-Ki-Yay Mother-lint-licker!" before he shoots Timothy Olyphant in the head...I presume, since they won't be able to show it.

  • May 3, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST

    So are the guns going to be replaced by walkie talkies?

    by Darth_Gonz


  • May 3, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Not just AVP

    by dtwookieman

    Maybe I missed if someone posted this already or not, but remember what happened when RoboCop 3 came out? It was PG-13, and it ruined the franchise. The first 2 were gritty, violent movies that even had some tit shots, and even some gross out effects, like that guy who gets splattered all over the car. Then part 3 comes out, and what do they do? They literally turned it into a kids movie by having a kid be one of the main characters, and even showing her playing with her RoboCop toys and action figures. Then turning ED-209 into a joke, as well as making the rest of the movie a live action cartoon, literally in some parts too. Now, take a look at what happened to the Mad Max franchise when it recieved a PG-13 rating. The first 2 were gritty violent barbaric movies, and part 3 had the most grutty type of setting, and the look looked the most post-apocalyptic, but they toned down the violence and made the chase scene exctiting, but almost body count free. I think what they should do with the 4th Die Hard (and it saddens me that it is going to be PG-13 if it is, because I think it is the best American made action franchise around) is cross it over with the porn industry and call it Die with a Hard-On.

  • May 3, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST


    by darwinwins

    yep, boycott.

  • May 3, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    step aside and deny all knowldge of it ever existing.

    by kingoflight

    I did this when jay and silent bob strikes out... i mean strikes back came out. Thats the day i deny i ever seen and of that stuff, just to hard to carry of and if i was not respectable on where my time and my money goes i may have carried on. By i just to smart to waste my resources. Sure ive watched bad movies but i'll never waste my time watching a whole series of bad movies. i can't see die hard being a bad movie to the point of another complet denial. I feel sorry for movies these days everything is dumbed down for the widest audience. The only thing thats an 18-rated R is Saw or roths tourture porn movies. i aint counting grindhoues as its two movies here in the uk according to your lot so it aint getting any of my money ! Cash cows man milk them or shoot them in the head put them down.

  • May 3, 2007, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Let the kiddies have their Die Hard...

    by knightrider

    ...Us Grown-Ups have got Transformers!!!

  • May 3, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Live Free or Die In A Nursing Home Aged 90

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    surrounded by friends and family.<p>Come on, Fox!! WTF??!!

  • May 3, 2007, 4:13 a.m. CST

    I'm with U, Bro. Boycott all sissfied versions of our

    by D.A.C. Defenders of Action Cinema

    action flix. Starting with Spider-Man. If something doesn't happen fast, our generation of filmmakers will be remembered as The Coward Age. Between shaky cam and filtered action, our beloved flix are becoming a thing of the past. What are they softening us up for? All animal animated musicals? So that's why MJ is singing in Spidey???? Oh god. Boycott.

  • May 3, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    This could be the best thing I've ever read here...

    by abiggerboat

    It's not the best thing I've ever SEEN on AICN, but it be the best piece of writing I've ever read here! Couldn't have put it better myself... except from what do guys expect from Fox? They seem happy to try and fuck up every single franchise/comic book movie they own the rights too! Fuckers. Not sure if I've EVER boycotted a film in my life before over ratings, but I'd seriously consider not paying for a ticket for this if it were a PG-13 (or a 12a - as it would probably be here in England) and instead just download it, thus not giving a penny over to the studio! Hopefully,seeing as they like to fuck about with UK releases (a-la Grindhouse) they may decide to release a harder cut in the UK? One can only dream!!

  • May 3, 2007, 4:32 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    is destroying Fox with its friendly Bodysnatcher family values. We need to tear down the machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 3, 2007, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Made for TV...

    by BillyTheFish

    Anyone who ever sat cringing through a terrestrial TV screening of 'Die Hard' knows just what to expect from the new flick. Less violence, less language and less blood. Yippy-ki-yay kemosabe...

  • May 3, 2007, 4:42 a.m. CST

    And thus...

    by Quintus_Arrius

    ... this glorious franchise has ended.

  • May 3, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Yipee Ki Yay, Motherhumper.

    by Blarney-Man

    Or Yipee Ki Yay, Mother [cue explosion drowning out swear word]. Why are people surprised? It's a generic action movie sequel. The days of action movies made for adults is long, long gone.

  • May 3, 2007, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Can someone please murder, emeraldboy?

    by Blarney-Man

    I can't stand it everytime he opens his stupid fucking mouth.

  • May 3, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Mr Blarney-Man

    by Quintus_Arrius

    I'll gladly oblige... It's gonna cost you though... Lets call it 10 bucks and we're straight.

  • May 3, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST


    by mr. brownstone

    your post was genius.

  • May 3, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST

    I've had it...

    by DirkD13"

    ...with these motherfuckin' Fox executives on this motherfuckin' Die-Hard movie!

  • May 3, 2007, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Just got off the phone to Hans, he said...

    by HarryBlackPotter

    he read about in in Forbes and was pretty pissed off.

  • May 3, 2007, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Just got off the phone to Hans, he said...

    by HarryBlackPotter

    he read about it in Forbes and was pretty pissed off.

  • May 3, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    If Neill Cumpston were to write a review of the first d

    by MaulRat

    I'm sure he'd throw in lines like "This movie is an Abercrombie chick with 9 tits and miniguns for nipples who kicks you in the beanbag and makes you puke up anvils made of frozen whiskey that turn into Charles Bronsons moustache that kills your year 9 science teacher with a cold chisel, calls you a fag and eats out your girlfriend"..... This one he wouldn't even bother reviewing, if he did he'd call it something like "Killing me softly: The Bed Bath and Beyond experience starring Hudson Hawk as a tea cosy and scented candle gift set" and that's where it would end.... can't you see you're putting neill out of a job?!?!?!? CAN'T YOU SPARE A THOUGHT FOR NEILL?!?!?!?

  • May 3, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Yippie-Ki Yay, MOFO

    by Abin Sur

    Yeah, cool dads DO take their sons to see R-rated movies. For me, my first R-rated foray was Aliens, and THAT set the bar high. And while it's OK for a dad to take his 13-year old son to an R movie, it's still fucked up when Harry takes his nephew to see Hostel, or whatever the hell that movie was!

  • May 3, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Now I have a PG-13 Rating...Ho Ho Ho

    by rhcp2sweet

    So my question about all this is will we get to hear McClane's famous line or will it be like the televised version of Die Hard 2 when Willis said "Yipee Kiyay Mr. Falcon"

  • May 3, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Yippie-Ki Yay Kimosabe!!!

    by Zino

    I once watched an edited-for-TV Die Hard and that was the line that came out of both Alan Rickman and Bruce Willis' mouths. Please don't edit htis one for TV before it even gets in the cinema.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Die Softly, Gently...over in the corner

    by just pillow talk

    where no one can see you, especially the kids. Contribute your $8-10 to FTB instead, where the world is life at a time.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Fer fucks sakes, another summer movie ill be downloadin

    by bongo123

    damn i was really looking forward to this, i loved diehard and quite rightly its one of the best action movies and now the studio is pulling this crap and pg13ing it... with the wankstiens splitting grindhouse and those fox cunts making a fucking kiddy diehard movie.. i'm just gonna download em off the net and fuck em when the dvdrips come out... bastards! fucking with diehard!

  • May 3, 2007, 7:25 a.m. CST


    by Err

    R-rated films never do well in theaters. Right 300? Right Matrix? Right Silence of the Lambs? Right Passion of the Christ? Right Beverly Hills Cop? Right Exorcist? Right Saving Private Ryan? Right Wedding Crashers? Right Terminator 2: Judgment Day? Right Gladiator? Right There's Something About Mary? Right Air Force One? Right Rain Man? Right Hannibal? Right The Firm? And the list goes on...

  • May 3, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    that was intense...

    by teddanson37

    but seriously studios are pussin'-out on us and someone needed to say that...way to go VERN!

  • May 3, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Amen, Vern

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    You have never been more right.<p>What worries me most about this decision is the possible reason for it, ie: the studio has seen the R version and it's a piece of shit that simply won't make any money in that form. Hence, cut it to PG-13 to increase ticket sales. I hope not, though. If the film's crap, cutting it so it's more 'family friendly' is hardly going to make it any better.<p>I was cautiously optimistic about this one, but now I'm having flashbacks to that incoherent pile of garbage called Underworld Evolution. John McClane deserves better than that.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Having seen all Die hard movies

    by emeraldboy

    This was always bound to be a stinker. I mean, cyber terrorism is hardly a great idea, well handled it could be a great idea. Len wiseman does not have a great track record. This pg 13 row is a smokes screen for a crap movie they have on thier hands.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    All the great directors, writers and new creative

    by emeraldboy

    talent, went to TV and are going to stay there.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    "Live free or...

    by DerLanghaarige would be very nice if you would die. You don't have to. And if you die, you don't have to die on screen. Just walk around the corner and never come back. There are kids watching, y'know? But you still can live free! And don't forget to say 'please' and 'thank you' kids!"

  • May 3, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Underworld Evolution......sigh....

    by just pillow talk

    Really liked the first one...thought the way they left it, the sequel would be kickass. What a very wrong assumption on my part. On the plus side, Kate was still so very, very, very, very hot. We could have vampire sex anytime...

  • May 3, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    About the cyber terrorists:

    by DerLanghaarige

    I can live with them. I mean, we see in the trailer that they don't try to kill McClane with hacking into his PDA, they wanna kill him with bombs and explosions and even if the trailer looks like "xXx 3", it makes the cyber terrorism cooler than expected :)

  • May 3, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    That's great writing.

    by FrankCobretti

    "And the real kicker will be when you realize that the stress caused by knowing the damage you had done to cinema and culture had made you ill, causing your last years to be miserable. If only you had known now what you will know then. That you could've had it both ways. You could've lived free AND died hard." I love how you built to a rhetorical crescendo, then worked a title gag into the flourish. That was absolutely excellent.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    While the conservatives would have you believe

    by emeraldboy

    That the threat is coming from outside the country. The greatest threat always comes from within. The real threat that america faces is from Christian right. Look at the havoc they are reeking in hollywood.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    GQ Taste

    by Fecal Debris

    Thanks for the video post, that was fucking hilarious at the end!

  • May 3, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    if you watch Jesus Camp enough times emeraldboy

    by just pillow talk

    your skin will fall off.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    I have not

    by emeraldboy

    seen jesus camp. though I have heard about it.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Well, this is one less movie I plan on watching

    by ATARI

    this summer.

  • May 3, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    What the Christian Right is good for....

    by Err

    Enjoying the numerous apologies that Pat Robertson has to say because he stuck his foot in his mouth...again.

  • May 3, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    pillow, nicely put

    by Fecal Debris

    In Die Hard, McClane's the one who should be doing the fucking, not getting fucked.<p> Off topic: Spidey 3 in less than 15 hours. I think I'm going to come.

  • May 3, 2007, 8:03 a.m. CST


    by SutureSelf

    ...was "Terminator 2."

  • May 3, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    If this really is PG-13

    by Fecal Debris

    I've decided I will take my Canon DC20 handheld and shoot my own violent sequences and profanity-laced dialogue. I'll even drive some cars off bridges 'n shit, maybe wreck a bus or drive an SUV off a dock on top of a bunch of rich pricks' yachts. It's what McClane would want, it's what McClane would do, and he'd say "Fuck" 20 times while muttering to himself throughout the sequence. THAT's his character; anything less will not do. Motherfucker

  • May 3, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    actually , this may suprise a lot of people here

    by emeraldboy

    but my favourite scene in Die hard is when willis takes off his socks and walks on the shards of broken glass and when he gets to the other side pulls out pieces of broken glass out of his foot. Die is my favourite action film all time. I love every single part of it. In fact I would have preferred no more die hards after that. It was on cable in the states, when I was on of my numerous trips over to the States. I have an aunt and uncle who live in Palisades.

  • May 3, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST

    I'm with you on Underworld, just pillow talk

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    The first one might be cheesy nonsense, but I thought it was enjoyable cheesy nonsense. Evolution, however, was fucking dire. I'm still not sure what it was actually about. That said, I would watch Die Hard 5 starring Pauly Shore as John McClane if it had Kate Beckinsale in that PVC outfit. There is a woman who is not remotely ugly. She even prevented Click from giving me eye cancer (she may not have been wearing PVC in that one, but those little pyjama shorts were pretty damn diverting).

  • May 3, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    it's a marathon, not a sprint Abom...

    by just pillow talk

    You can make it! <p>Agree with you 100% on Click. She wore too many layers of clothing (like always), but holy mother of God, she was HOT!<p>emeraldboy, you can pick any scene and it's classic. The best is when he's limping along leaving a blood trail. Nothing stops McClane, nothing!

  • May 3, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Favourite Die Hard moment

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    For me, it's when McClane comes limping down the corridor, toward the end of the film, looking like he's been to hell and back as Grueber is gathering up his bearer bonds. The look of utter astonishment on Bonnie Bedelia's face sells it a treat. That's John McClane right there: you can beat the shit out of him, shoot him, make him jump off a building, shred his feet with glass - but you won't beat him, because he's too bull-headed to give up. How great is that?

  • May 3, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Stand Up and Applaud

    by BeyondStatic

    Rant on, Vern. You've got our attention. Like THX, (once the box office is in) the audience will be listening.

  • May 3, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is AWESOME

    by supergary452

    And I can see how you'd say that this movie may not be the right place for him, but I think his role is basically an over-emphasized cameo. He's a funny guy, and a good director; don't diss him because you are ranting about your issues with what still looks to be a good flick.

  • May 3, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Yeah, curses and blood make movies good.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    I mean, how much better would "Raiders of the Lost Ark" be if Indy gouged the German Mechanic's eyes out, laughed and said "See-heil, motherfucker!"? It would have been amazing! Just like that R-rated (or was it unrated?) version of "Anderson vs. Predator" - it's a whole new film!

  • May 3, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    (Main point being, in this case: it's a Wiseman film)

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Even if it's rated XXX, it'll still be a Len Wiseman film. What quality do you expect from him, whether it has "fucks" and gore or not?

  • May 3, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    The Best PG-13 Movie Ever Was

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    The first one of course.... Red Dawn. Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Grey killing commies then going to the Catskills to make out and dance, oh wait, wrong ending. Different movie.

  • May 3, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Thank you, Vern

    by Mr Incredible

    I read that PG-13 crap and it pissed me off. It's all about the jack with these studio ass clowns. It's all about about the jack.

  • May 3, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Yippie-Ki Yay, Melon Farmer!

    by ldm882

    Has that one been done yet?

  • May 3, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' A Bubba

    by MynameisColm

    You yanks gotta get your cinema culture sorted out!!! Not only can R films be ultra profitable, but so can NC-17!!

  • May 3, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by TheContinentalOp

    Biggest hit of the year...hard R. Coincidence? Must be. Somehow, people got tricked into watching awesomeness when what they really wanted was watered-down pussy bullshit.

  • May 3, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    I'm thinking....

    by Crimson King

    They should've hired Michael Bay instead Wiseman...

  • May 3, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    another reason to hate 20th century fox

    by AskaniSon2001 they realize they're contributing to the dumbing down of America?

  • May 3, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    "Pretty fairly unappreciated, Al"

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    That's my favourite funstered line from the TV version of Die Hard. Redundancy comedy!

  • May 3, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Studios - You're killing yourselves

    by reni

    It's a false economy. Movies aren't about product. They're about 'stories'. And the good ones last longest. How long do you think it's gonna last? A decade? Five years? Three? Don't think so...

  • May 3, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Hey, that line is an insult to Melon Farmers everywhere

    by The Atomic Worm

    Studios will never use that line, for fear of being slapped with a lawsuit from the League of Incorporated Melon Farmers of America (LIMFA).

  • May 3, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay!!!

    by Phillyflopper

    Just because someone had to say it.

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  • May 3, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    That is SO. RIGHT. Don't pussy out Fox!

    by Steve Rogers

    Fucking Fox and fucking Tom Rothman, I hate that cunt, every decision he makes is AWFUL. First Brett Ratner, then Cloud Galactus, now this! Die Hard is a true CLASSIC of the genre and the new film should try and maintain the standards of its predecessors. An R rating is fucking MANDATORY!! I do think that Bruce should've gone for the sew-in on this flick though - McClane should NOT be bald. And Kevin Smith should NOT be in it.

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  • May 3, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Anchorite, according to IMDB

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Temple of Doom was PG, but because of the content it led to PG 13 being created. Red Dawn was the first "released" PG 13 movie. The Flamingo kid was the first movie rated PG 13, but was actually released in theaters after Dirty Dawn. So says IMDB anyway.

  • May 3, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    preach it Vern!!

    by BendersShinyAss

    I'm still sour after Alien Vs Predator

  • May 3, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I love the movies

    by emeraldboy

    but I dont want a 4th one. no matter who makes it.

  • May 3, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Fux...I Mean Fox Will Probably Ignore This Talkback...

    by utz_world

    ...but they WILL pay attention to Test Screening reports. As we all know, test screening reports have the near-almighty power to render a film DOA. With that in mind, I'm throwing down the gauntlet to all you film geeks who love hustling your way into test screenings. THE POWER IS IN YOUR HANDS. When Fox screens this sanitized POS in Podunkville, Arizona in the next few montsh, give it the most negative review possible. I don't give a damn how good the story is. I don't give a damn how pretty shit gets blown up. I don't care how much Bruce returns to his old form. Flame it like it ain't no tomorrow. When they ask you why you flamed it, 4 syllables will do the trick: Pee Gee Thir Teen. Period. Drive Rothman and his team of geniuses into a state of panic and hysteria. When the media gets word on the hyper-negative early buzz and starts touting reports that Fox has a bomb waiting to happen, Rothman will send Wiseman back to the editing booth to restore all the exploding squibs and motherfuckers into the footage and all will be right in the world again. GEEK NATION, THE POWER IS IN YOUR HANDS!

  • May 3, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    PG-13 claims another movie

    by Movietool

    I seem to remember that PG-13 was created for kids movies that went just a little too far, like Gremlins. Ugh, how many "fucks" are allowable in a PG-13? Any? How in the fuck are you going to have a fucking Die Hard movie unless fucking Bruce Willis can fucking say "fuck" as much as he fucking wants?

  • May 3, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    More important, for america is

    by emeraldboy

    someone has to stand up against MURDOCH. Period. I mean this is guy wants to get his hands on the dow. That will make him the most powerful man in america. Murdoch doesnt give a shit and why should he he has more money than any of you. He is unique in that he is the very last of the school media barons left, he has almost unprecendented access to world leaders and in fiction, he resembles Eliot Carver. Which he why Murdoch dumped Bond.

  • May 3, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Why don't they release both a R rated and PG-13 version

    by Richiana

    That way, they can finally let the audiences vote which they want to see and finally put an end to the debate on which version would make the most money.

  • May 3, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I now have a mancrush on Vern.

    by BubbaSawyer

    What can I say? He's just so damn virile.

  • May 3, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Think fast. Look alive. Flame the POS

    by Fecal Debris

    Kevin Smith. Mac Boy. A daughter in the story. No Powell or Barnes or Zeus? A cap on the number of shooting deaths and "mutherf*ckers?" All is not well here.

  • May 3, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    This may just be a stunt...

    by mbeemer

    Think about it... The fourth installment of a series whose last appearance was over 10 years ago... A script that was criticized to begin with... How better to hype the film than to create a fake "controversy" about watering it down to a PG-13. The fanboys rise up in outrage! The film is eventually released with an R, and those fanboys breathe a sigh of relief and plop down their $10 to see a film they might have passed on otherwise. The whole thing may just be a PR scam.<p><p>Cynically yours, mbeemer<p><p><p>P.S. Sorry if someone already suggested this - I couldn't wade through the whole talkback.

  • May 3, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    So I heard AICN hates FOX?

    by godoffireinhell

    Supposedly because they didn't greenlight Moriarty's DREAD screenplay and blacklisted Harry for the screenings of their movies. Any truth to that?

  • May 3, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by The Souper

    if this movie does get a PG-13, it won't be the fault of the christian right. It's economics, idiots- they want the teens to be able to see it. I am a Christian and I desperately want this movie to be rated R. i will even sign something for Fox if they want us to. And to whoever said the greatest threat our country faces is from within- you are correct. And many Christians agree with you that the divisiveness in our country is wrong. There are loonies representing every religion- athiest, agnostic, (yes these are religions) christian, catholic, muslim, so stop flaming the core beliefs because of the vocal weirdos. Examine for yourselves. You do yourselves no favors by generalizing, labeling and dismissing ANY group.

  • May 3, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    first half and second half will be released separetely

    by Spandau Belly

    in Europe courtesy of the Weinstein company! Die Hard 4: vol 1 and look for vol 2 later this fall complete with fake trailers for Lethal Weapon 5, Beverly Hills Cop 4, Under Siege 3 and Speed 3!

  • May 3, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Atheism is a religion????

    by Swk14

    Are you serious? Let me cite the American Heritage Dictionary for their definition of "religion". "Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe." Atheism is non-belief. Just because you choose to believe in a sky daddy completely devoid of any evidence whatsover, doesnt mean you can start throwing those who use reason and science into your cults. Now back to the movies.

  • May 3, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Or, it is belief that there IS no god

    by Fecal Debris

    mbeemer, that seems like an awful lot for a studio to go through just to win over some geeks who woulda thrown their money at the picture had it been R all along

  • May 3, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Fuckin A

    by SkiBum

    The american family could fall apart. Great stuff. I will not see this movie if it is given a pg-13 rating.

  • May 3, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    And a Pikey quite a fuckin' thing...

    by Cellar Door

    There is only profit. Nothing else. Fox "wants" to mess up these franchises? Nonsense...they wand to MILK them. Speak with your wallet. No DVD. I don't think Bruce needs the money and that Mac kid is an asshat anyway.<p><p><p> PG-13 Die Hard? I fart at thee.

  • May 3, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    NC17 is harder than R

    by Bill Clay

    An adult can bring a kid into an R rated movie, but no one under 17 can get into an NC17 movie.

  • May 3, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    What idiot believes atheism is a religion?

    by Bill Clay

    Atheism is the ABSENCE of religion. Why is this up for debate in an educated society?

  • May 3, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Boycott it if its pg-13

    by Spacesheik

    Fuck this shit, DIE HARD as a pg movie?! wtf? I wanna see Mclane say 'mutherfucker,' i want villains to get splattered, its bad enough the trailer looks like a generic 80s action flick with a couple of CGi money shots - the violence would have catapulted it beyond routine - apparently Fox wants another ALIEN VS PREDATOR --- havent they heard THE MATRIX and 300 and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN etc were all R and made over 200 million - now i realize a DIE HARD wouldnt have reached 100 million, but making it PG13 cuts its audience even further (and alienates the fans) - if this movie is pg13 it will make 65million tops.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Live Censored and Die at the Box Office

    by deadboy1313

    Vern, I have not seen such a vengeful, acid tongued rant since they took away our coffee at work (and they deserved everything I said -boycott "Dick" Network). So I salute you Sir! Why not just completely pussy out and Have Die Hard 5 have Bruce Willis fight the Care Bears?

  • May 3, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    I'm more worried about the script and how it's executed

    by Shan

    What it's rated would always be less important in comparison, surely.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    still go see it, it has Mary Elizabeth Winestead

    by TallBoy66

    God, I love her so much, I'll sit through a sanitized PG-13, wussifed DIE HARD. But I probably won't like it.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Vern Tells It Like It Is. (Again.)

    by Pan_Krator

    So FOX is feeling jittery about the quality of this fourth movie, and is betting on a PG-13 cut to lure the kids into the multiplex... "It's OK Mom, I'm going to see SHREK 3!" It wouldn't be the first time Hollywood tries to pull that trick. But will it work? Today's kids are media-savvy: they can tell that the movie has been edited down, and they too will spread the word -- on cellphones, weblogs and in schools. Sorry, Murdoch. That old trick has been used up. Think of something better.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Actually Willis can get Fox's attention by refusing ..

    by Spacesheik do press - maybe then they will listen to Willis

  • May 3, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    For those blaming the Right

    by oldbittercraig

    I would like to point out that the glory gory days of the action movies were in the 80's - the Reagan era. About the same time that Al Gore's wife formed the PMRC to censor music. Food for thought. Make it R or don't bother making it.

  • May 3, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    deadboy1313 only Bruce would not fight...

    by Fecal Debris

    ...the Care Bears; instead, in moments of crisis, they would cuddle. And Americans families would be safe. And fucking boring.

  • May 3, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    RE godoffireinhell

    by emeraldboy

    I would say so. We still dont know harry got his mits on the The phantom Menace and There is bad blood over rollerball. But that is a rubbish movie. I saw a documetary where a certain blonde haired movie producer, beau st. claire, demolished Harry and others film net critics as living in a vacuum and having no real experience of running a movie studio. This was around the time of Rollerball, which bombed anyway. Harry took a lot of credit for that. Fox started clamping down on the net over illeagal buffy sites.

  • May 3, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    calm down!

    by mrbong

    many fine films, including action ones, have managed to be good without the "R" rating. i would rather it be a PG-13 with a decent plot than a dull R-rated affair with gratuitous violence added just to attract the "it has to be an R" crowd.

  • May 3, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Fecal Debris: <shrug>

    by mbeemer

    "that seems like an awful lot for a studio to go through just to win over some geeks who woulda thrown their money at the picture had it been R all along"<p><p> (shrug) Could be. Smells a little though, with the lead actor badmouthing the editing just before the publicity tour. They have contracts that probably discourage that type of thing. That's why I lean toward "publicity stunt". As to fanboys throwing down their money, maybe they're afraid they'll bauk at bad word of mouth and want to hype it a bit before opening day.

  • May 3, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Are you the guys who yelled for an R SoaP?

    by vich1

    Because THAT made all the difference, didn't it?

  • May 3, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    FOX: PG-13 = I'M OUT!

    by brianroberts101

    See above.

  • May 3, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    Fuck you "El Scorcho"

    by iberry

    And I quote El Scorcho "I've never seen a Die Hard film and it doesn't look like I'm going to start anytime soon. Boycott it, motherfuckers." Man Fuck you, I was honestly enjoying everyone's rant about the death of an classic movie franchise when you haven't even seen one of the best fucking action flicks ever made. I must agree with Vern's rant, it was pure genius! As I read through all the posts of people that grew up watching the DH movies, I ran into some pussy 14 year olds comment saying fuck this movie and he hasn't even seen the first! This little fuck-stain is why they changed our film from R to PG-13. Fuck Fox and everyone involved in this movie they are all a bunch of pussy whipped, money grubbing, cum guzzling queens! (Bruce Willis excluded because he is the man, even bald) God Damn it Kevin Smith, I know your movies went to hell after Dogma, but WTF I just lost the rest of the respect I had for you! P.S. FUCK THAT MAC FAG! He should go fuck a pie with Jason Biggs!

  • May 3, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Atheism = religion

    by Err

    Atheism is THE BELIEF that there is no God/god/gods/etc. ----- To quote the doctrine or belief that there is no God. ----- And what is a doctrine? also has the answer: 1. a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine. ----- 2. something that is taught; teachings collectively: religious doctrine. ------ 3. a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject: the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

  • May 3, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Emerald Boy

    by Borgnine JR

    It'll be a cold day in hell when i let some drunken irishman tell me what's wrong with my country and its policies. Why don't you slurp down some more cheap whiskey, then go beat the shit out of your wife or girlfriend then anally abuse her while daydreaming about blowing Bono. That should get you elected Prime Minister of that god forsaken little pigsty you call a country.

  • May 3, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by a rolling stone

    If they censor "Yippie Kye Yea, Mother Fucker" in any way, shape, or form, I will cry. Right there in the theater, I will cry like a kid in recess, robbed of my lunch money by a bully we're all coming to know as 'Big Brother'.

  • May 3, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Die Hard music video

    by minh

    Great post, Vern! Here's a music video summarizing the Die Hard films.<br>

  • May 3, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I hate to say I told ya so BUT...

    by Neo Zeed

    I told ya so. I smelled it from the beginning. CGI car flips, Non-gritty look, teen kids, smoooove Mcclaine, bloodless action, FOX studios in pussy PG-13 mode for the last decade...But there is no joy for Neo Zeed. I wish I was wrong.

  • May 3, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Agree with everything but the BALD comment...

    by Captain Happy

    The brother can't help it - BE NICE - unless you want to see him sporting a Cy Sperling Special. Or a bob.

  • May 3, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Fuck YEAH VERN!!! i am pissed OFF!

    by future help

    listen up FOX!

  • May 3, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Sorry Err

    by Swk14

    Religion requires "belief in a deity" as quoted from American Heritage. Like the other dude said, atheist is an "abscence of religion"/god/deity. Atheism should no more be a "belief" than bald should be considered a hair color. It's not for the atheist to have to prove something that is unseen, unheard, and non existant.

  • May 3, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    PG 13 Die Hard = Flames on Optimus

    by hadez

    = Cloud-actacus = Shia Lebeouff as Indy's Son = an unnecessary Shrek sequel . Did I forget anything?

  • May 3, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    for the second time,

    by emeraldboy

    I dont drink. I am not married. I hate the borring bastard bono. and for your information, bub, Ireland is one of wealthiest countries in the EU if not the wealthiest. Our Economy last year had a surplus of 4.6 billion. I am not interested in becoming a politician

  • May 3, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST


    by The Souper

    you put faith in your BELIEFS the same way that others put their faith in the existance of God. Just because you happen to find a definition of religion that attributes it to the belief in a higher power does not mean your FAITH in your views of the afterlife, origin and a creator aren't the same PROCESS that leads others to believe in God. My point was- we all put faith in what we believe and many athiests adhere to athiestic scientists like a christian would to a pastor. you trust THEIR observations without testing for yourself. If nature is the whole show and there's nothing greater than what's seen than how do you explain the fact that you rationalize, feel, love, hurt, fear- all unseen. Do you know all there is to know, athiests? Is it possible God is in the aspects of your unknown? Limp Free better be rated R

  • May 3, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST


    by Err

    Religion: something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience ----- the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices - Atheists adhering to the set of beliefs and practices of atheism which is nothing

  • May 3, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    FOX......will burn in hell

    by TheDonJohnSon

    I persoanally (hope, believe, pray,etc) everyone who was involved with this idea of "kidifying" the Die Hard franchise dies in a fiery plane crash but not on impact. They should suffer after being disembowled or loosing a limb of some kind also after they hear the news that the latest addition to their beloved John Mcclane series has tanked DUE TO THE IMPUDANT PG-13 BULLSHIT ON A NUNS ASS, POS THEY CALL LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD. Ok seriously, Bruce Willis was pissed????WTF??? THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I love these actors who get 20 mil for these big action sequels who sit back and say they have no control over their pics and talk about how dissapointed they are over shit like this. News Flash: YOUR SALARY IS 1/5 THE BUDGET OF THE ENTIRE MOVIE, I THINK YOUR VOICE MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY IMPORTANT, DIPSHIT. If anyone knows of any boycott website or group for this tragedy, please inform me ASAP. Im still down about Alien/ Predator.

  • May 3, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    RE: TomBodet

    by Neo Zeed

    No way in hell would Die Hard (88)be a PG-13 now. No way in hell. F-bombs are uttered very three seconds. Also, blood splatters from gunshot wounds.....without cut away camerawork.

  • May 3, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    In the first DIE HARD....

    by Bob Cryptonight

    ...didn't Bruce shout (while beating up the main dude)something like "...I'm gonna beat ya, I'm gonna kill ya, I'm gonna fuck ya, I'm gonna cook ya, and then I'm gonna fuckin' eat you!!!" Or maybe my mind was playing tricks on me. All I know is, saying "fuck" in a DIE HARD movie is essential!

  • May 3, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    And, btw, that creep JACK VALENTI--

    by Bob Cryptonight

    --is laughing away in his grave, that rat bastard!

  • May 3, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Galactus is a fucking cloud?

    by Gozu


  • May 3, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST


    by TheDonJohnSon

    Silver Surfer will fart out Galactus, making him an evil flatulance cloud so everyone involved can get high and then the movie might be watchable.......Die Hard 4 will still suck matter what

  • May 4, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    A G Die Hard 4 is better than Spidey 3

    by darthbinks1220

    I sat through my girlfriend's employee screening at 9pm tonight. The flick is brutal. Blink and you'll miss Venom.

  • May 4, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Two words: JOEL SILVER

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Regardles of having hack Wiseman, longing for McTiernan, kid sidekicks, whatnot... you can`t expect an R, or even a decent Die Hard movie to happen without the man who produced these kick ass action genre evergreens: Die Hard, Harder, Predator, Last Boy Scout, Lethal Weapon, Ricochet, 48Hours, Road House, Demolition man, Matrix, and so on. The fact that he`s not been allowed on the Fox lot for a long time is basicaly telling us in advance that Die Hard franchise has long since been destroyed. Bruckheimer is be a mainstream action hit producer, but there is only one king of R action cinema and his name is Joel Silver. And whoever thinks you can make a great movie without a great producer is a complete idiot.

  • May 4, 2007, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Bruce Willis

    by bender7

    I would have thought he would have had more power in the process. I mean all he would have to do to make it 'R' is say "Make it 'R' or I walk." and they would have folded.

  • May 4, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Fuck Fox! Ans say what you want about Michael Bay

    by Dr. Frankenstein

    but he would made this sucker a HARD R

  • May 4, 2007, 5:25 a.m. CST

    This is what Bruce thinks of Die Hard 4...

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and I quote, "I just saw it last week and I love it. Better than the first one."<p>

  • May 4, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Boycott Fox! Boycott Fox! Boycott Fox! Boycott Fox! Boy

    by Dr. Frankenstein

    Can you imagine th original Die Hard without Itagagi getting his brains blown all over the wall or that terrorist who's running across the floor and gets kneecapped all to hell before falling head first though a glass wall? these are some of the scenes that made the film great. Not only should fox release this as an R but they should release the unrated versions of the first three movies before the MPAA got their grubby mitts all over them.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Murdoch possibly viewed Slivers departure

    by emeraldboy

    as an act of Dis-loyalty. Murdoch has a very strict family code at newscorp/fox. Hence the nickname Uncle Rupert. Boycotting fox means that you will have to give up watching 24hrs. people get blown up there too and tortured on weekly basis.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:23 a.m. CST

    well that kills off Verns rant then

    by emeraldboy

    if Bruce likes Die Hard 4. this story is dead. This is the same bruce willis who was pissed off when bush wouldnt let him fight in Iraq and this is the same Bruce Willis who starred in that much lauded and multi-award winning epic Tears of the sun. Btw i was being sarcy there. Tears ruined willis career along with the Kid(which is one of the worst films I have ever seen) and Antoina Fauqua's Career has been the same since.

  • May 4, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Hmm no you Foxtool, you got it wrong

    by 9banned0.5furious

    he was/is banned FROM the lot by The Unclefucka`. I wrote described the status corectly. You no well speak language yours do?

  • May 4, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    last year, Murdoch closed down

    by emeraldboy

    his Australian Fux news HQ. and brought it to the US.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    your posts drive me nuts as they consist of nothing but incoherent gibberish. <p>just to help you out: there is no hyphen in disloyalty, the programme is called 24 not 24hrs, punctuation is your friend- don't be scared, sentence structure can be an important thing as it helps you to get your meaning across.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    I like exclamation points

    by just pillow talk

    they always make you right!

  • May 4, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST

    There is no icoherency in this fact

    by emeraldboy

    Murdoch is one of the most dangerous men alive. He will not stop untill he has everything. political power, media power and Entertainment power too. SO far he has two of those things. Media and Political Power. The day when he has full control of Hollywood is not to far away. Once he buys the dow he wil be able to buy up every stock in every film studio. Thus he will have full control of Hollywood. In that way he will be able to bring the christian right with him. I repeat this man is dangerous. and if you want proof, he has just bought a 17% stake in ITV. he helped blair destroy the BBC by leaking the hutton findings. The man has no scruples.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    I don't even understand that

    by Lost Prophet

    and it is an exclamation mark.

  • May 4, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    I'm an idiot!

    by just pillow talk

    oh well..back to sniffing glue.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    that isn't fact, and it is incoherent.

    by Lost Prophet

    You started coherently and then disintegrated. <p>It is not fact, but mere opinion- and not even particularly valid opinion. as it is a combination of heresay and speculation. Especially regarding the BBC and the hutton enquiry. <p>Also, arguably film production is part of the media- unless you are trying to ditinguish between Entertainment and News.<p>He does have no scruples. That is well documented fact.

  • May 4, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Now that is a fact

    by Lost Prophet


  • May 4, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    dirty little billy bastard!!

    by just pillow talk

    Oh yes LP, I just used two exclamation marks...

  • May 4, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    that makes you double right, pillows

    by Lost Prophet

    or insane. I'm not sure which. <p>I remember reading that the more exclamation marks you use the nearer to the padded cell you are. <p>How's FTB coming along. Have you managed to save up enough for the monsters elevenses yet? <p>I have another potential solution for you: because of shit like the CAP there is a massive level of overproduction in the EU- so perhaps we can utilise the human garbage can to deal with the wastage in The Butter Mountain? <p>You know she loves her dairy!!!!

  • May 4, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    LP - FTB goes very well

    by just pillow talk

    We are up to $312.48. Granted, that's only a days worth of food for the human (using the term loosely) garbage disposal, but it is progress. <p>She loves everything, especially big sticks of butter, wrapping and all.<p>And there's nothing wrong with padded cells, they just feel so gosh darn cozy. I put in a request to have Kate Beckinsale share the cell with me.

  • May 4, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    I sincerely doubt that Willis views would have been

    by emeraldboy

    taken on board regarding the rating of the movie. Actors have no say when comes to the rating of movies. Unless the actor is also the director and writer of said movie. the only two people left who have that clout are woody and Warren beatty. woody stars, writes, directs and produce nearly all of his films as has beatty. Woodys output is getting smaller. He has no clout left in Hollywood and Beatty is a egomaniac. Can an actor on his own change things. i dont think so and it has been awhile since Willis had a hit so.

  • May 4, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Die Hard Happy Meal

    by nomisuke

    Sweet. That means the collectible half-assed plastic figure of John fighting his way through a slew of bad guys with a sock puppet will be worth millions on eBay in a few months!

  • May 4, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Thanks VanBuren

    by Swk14

    That was perfect. It doesnt take "faith" to not believe in something that isnt there. Is it a "religion" to NOT believe in unicorns? Is it a religion to NOT believe in Zeus, Allah, or any of the thousands of other invisible, make believe sky daddies that have existed through time? Just because YOU happen to believe in a poorly written book, written over 2000 years ago by an ancient population looking to explain shit, doesnt mean those of us that dont are in some sort of religion. The burden of proof is on those that want to invent make believe creators for their own personal comfort.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    I refuse to allow a Die Hard TB

    by 9banned0.5furious

    to end on a bloody atheism vs religion topic. Its a movie that MADE action movie walking tall.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Well it took over from greats

    by 9banned0.5furious

    in the past... who can`t rememberber(once seen) the awesomness of B/W Charge of the light brigade (LOTR cavalry attacks suck ass in comparison) or Hunter and many others. Its the very antithesis of shit action cinema that is examplyfied in Spiderman. Yes, Spiderman 1&2 action is shit. As is other comic book movie action. Maybe X3 has some decent action. TRUE action does not happen in vicinity of bluescreen.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    emerald, I don`t think what Bruce says

    by 9banned0.5furious

    makes any difference on Vern`s legitimate rant.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    actors are not necessarily

    by 9banned0.5furious

    in possesion of knowledge what makes or is a great cinema.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    or that they`re actually as

    by 9banned0.5furious

    smart as characters they portray.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:36 a.m. CST

    or that they have

    by 9banned0.5furious

    or are allowed to have independent thought comming out of their mouth when promoting an upcomming movie release.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    one should also not

    by 9banned0.5furious

    forget the amasing revelation layed out during the anouncement of Cesar`s funeral in HBO`s Rome:"... also actors and prostitutes are not allowed to attend."

  • May 5, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    I have allways been Bruce`s fan

    by 9banned0.5furious

    but he clearly went for a paycheck here

  • May 5, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST

    and he`s obviously

    by 9banned0.5furious

    member of the Fox "family" as far this franchise goes, wich is not something to be proud of.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Bruce is obviously not

    by 9banned0.5furious

    a looney as some of his peers. Its just the smell of that paycheck betrayal that gets me.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:43 a.m. CST

    And his portrayal of John McLaine 4.0

    by 9banned0.5furious

    seems not blue collar at all.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    You can`t blame Lew Beckinsold

    by 9banned0.5furious

    for Bruce`s performance.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Or Fox, its Bruce`s character and

    by 9banned0.5furious

    he clearly allowed his superstar status to influence his ego, thus influencing McLaine, making him bigger than life and loosing us in the process.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Its been said well by someone

    by 9banned0.5furious

    on the Die Hard TB`s before when he(or even she!!9nothat there is anything wrong with it)) comented: Bruce is trying to play Bruce playing McLaine.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    And that is the core of the

    by 9banned0.5furious


  • May 5, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    The director and script are

    by 9banned0.5furious

    just extra insults

  • May 5, 2007, 3:50 a.m. CST

    And the PG 13 is

    by 9banned0.5furious

    the icing on the cake. You could still make a kickass movie around if you trully possesed the right filmmaking chops.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:53 a.m. CST

    But its poitless

    by 9banned0.5furious

    arguing those points as it writen in the stone that Die Har must be arrrrr.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Instead it looks like faggy

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Spiderman and Disney`s Pirates(i mean bloody Disney!!!! Hello!!??) will have more kickass action that actual mother of all action franchises.

  • May 5, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    I know I am barking into

    by 9banned0.5furious

    the rock here, maybe I am just annoyed of Spiderman having two hundred talkbacks on same shitty issue, while true cinema is dying right before our eyes as we speak.

  • May 5, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    On deeper inner eploration...

    by 9banned0.5furious

    where else can movies die other than right in front our eyes. Man, all this is soo depressing and infuriating it makes my mind go bonkers.

  • May 5, 2007, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Is there light at the end of

    by 9banned0.5furious

    this dark tunnel we`ve been in for almost a decade now?

  • May 5, 2007, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Will we even be able to spot it

    by 9banned0.5furious

    once we turn 70?

  • May 5, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Or will the polar ice caps melt

    by 9banned0.5furious

    before quality cinema resurection, making Waterworld eligible for Best documentary category?

  • May 5, 2007, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Waterworld had its falts

    by 9banned0.5furious

    but they managed to make the kid and the whole family unit function very well in the story and not lame at all. Also the atol attack and several action scenes still look absolutely spectacular and you just know how they would do that whole movie today. All CGI and watertanks in Vancouver and Australia. Jetskis would be doing double somersaults and Mariner would go all wire fu on smokers. The shells would probably speak and the island dwelling at the end would have ruins of Starbucks. We would be lucky to catch a glimpse of real ocean water. Yack!

  • May 5, 2007, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Get some rest 9banned0.5furious.

    by mrfan

    You deserve it.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    mrfan, i deed get some rest

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and look what happened.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    did, man, did

    by 9banned0.5furious

    anyway you see we droped AGAIN from top ten Spideran talkbacks

  • May 5, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    I went and watched the first one

    by 9banned0.5furious

    again, and I got all excited again.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    that first shot of plane

    by 9banned0.5furious

    landing promises so much immediatelly.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    and the title showing up

    by 9banned0.5furious

    on that suspiciously nonspectacular shot of bag picups and Bruce far in the back with giant teddy.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST

    is that some great

    by 9banned0.5furious

    foreshadowing or what. How comfortable is that movie in its easy build up.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    I and extremely worried how the

    by 9banned0.5furious

    buldap is handled in 4.0

  • May 5, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    And I like Live free or Die Hard title

    by 9banned0.5furious

    its the baggage around that I found disturbing. And why is it the funniest thing in the trailer when Kevin Smith shows up? I mean, nevermind weather Kevin belong in this franchise, but he makes the most funny in this trailer. And Bruce is way too post 911ish. And self awarish. Probably there`s an amish too somewhere in this film... hmm.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Alone in the quest...

    by 9banned0.5furious

    is that an omen of what has become of this series?

  • May 5, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    or maybe

    by 9banned0.5furious

    of what will happen after the premiere of this PG 13 assterpiece?

  • May 5, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    the silence...

    by 9banned0.5furious

    the wind howling trough the empty hallways?

  • May 5, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    people too

    by 9banned0.5furious

    hurt or betrayed, to even voice an opinion?

  • May 5, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    with Sliderman you

    by 9banned0.5furious

    have a comic to go back too no matter what kind of film they make.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    but Die Hard exist

    by 9banned0.5furious

    only as a movie.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST

    i know its based on a book

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and that best of action scenes came from it, but it still is nothing in a book world, where as Die Hard is everything in action cinema genre.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    and thou i think 2nd

    by 9banned0.5furious

    was weak when first seen it all those years back, now it looks positively fun and exciting, and probably has the best Bruce acting as McLaine. Especially during the setup. He really caries that film.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Also that scene from the 4.0 trailer

    by 9banned0.5furious

    where he uses fire extingusher, it seems so off to me, it shouldnt cause its very McLaine-ish, but feels so... fake, or forced or something.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    So... sad...and

    by 9banned0.5furious

    furious. Bad maily sad. And feeling hopeless about this topic. Vern, where are you buddy? Why no love for this TB.

  • May 5, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I know you said all

    by 9banned0.5furious

    that you had to say and said it well, but man, don`t you feel sadened that people care more about Spiderman than they do about Die Hard?

  • May 5, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    So ronry, so ronry...

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Team America looks like the best R action picture in a long time. Its buckenheimerish in its setup, but its Dieharderish in its R-balls to the wall, details.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Must... get... to...

    by 9banned0.5furious

    fifty. Maybe it will attract some Die Hard fan, mad with passion, mind lost to action cinema long ago, delirious as to what is being done to his favorite action movie and just rant, and go on and on...

  • May 5, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    and on and on

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and keep it going strong as a true defender of action cinema should.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Live free or die hard

    by 9banned0.5furious

    has so much more balls as a title than...

  • May 5, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Die Hard 4.0

    by 9banned0.5furious

    why is Euros getting fucked over like that. Like with that Grindhouse split. What copout!

  • May 5, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I remember how when Alien

    by 9banned0.5furious

    came out it acquired title: 8th passanger. Agreed it made sense and had some ominous forshadowin with that poster. Only it turned out

  • May 5, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    that Aliens, probably the best

    by 9banned0.5furious

    ever sequel name, probably the best sequel ever too, screwed up euro realease totally. What you going to do with this you idiots. And surely, it was lost in translation and while not becoming quite: 8th passangers, it di become 8th passanger 2. Which is like the most stupid sequel name ever.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    is it safe now

    by 9banned0.5furious

    to assume this Die Hard TB will have some staying power?

  • May 5, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    can I trust that

    by 9banned0.5furious

    there is some Die Hard fan actualy left in these bloody geekdom. Geekdom indeed, wrong people to go to for help concerning Die Hard.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    can you go too far

    by 9banned0.5furious

    in a Die Hard TB? I mean its a Die Hard, right. Its not Die when compared to Spiderman, or something.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    or Die Hard vs Golden Compass

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I mean Golden bloody compass!!! Whats wrong with people? Its a nice poster, yes, but who cares about that movie. Good or bad(probably lame) who is gonna give a shit about that film 2,3 years after its release. Probably even sooner

  • May 5, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    its not that i have

    by 9banned0.5furious

    anything against Golden compass, its just that it has no real importance in cinema and is thus taking up space instead of helping the cause of R genre filmmaking.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    must go eat now

    by 9banned0.5furious

    or I won`t be able to continue to defend the action cinema anymore, anytime.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    as in GOTTA EAT

    by 9banned0.5furious

    i meant

  • May 5, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    and HAS A BEAR

    by 9banned0.5furious


  • May 5, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    cause no wife, so can`t cheat

    by 9banned0.5furious

    on her. OK, till later my dear, dark, empty corridors.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    shit, HAS A BEER, wtf!?

    by 9banned0.5furious

    really gotta eat now and have one beer if I can`t even spell beer correctly. For shame.

  • May 5, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Stay sharp 9banned

    by Vern

    I was wondering how this got back near the top talkbacks. Now I see. Glad to see I'm not the only one who cares. Actually, judging by the first day of talkbacks here it looks like a whole lot of people are gonna be pissed and disappointed if they release this PG-13, it's not just me. And after seeing Spiderman Part 3 between some awkward teens with braces talking and checking their glowing phones when they weren't making out, four little kids talking in Spanish and a dude digging in a fuckin plastic bag for half the movie (DID YOU FUCKING FIND IT YET?) I am definitely seeing the point other people made about not wanting it to be PG-13 just so they don't have to see it with as many obnoxious people. (hopefully.)

  • May 5, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    how did one poster take over this thread.....

    by emeraldboy


  • May 5, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Done with Fox. That's IT. The absolute fucking limit.

    by Mr. Fist

    Drive (and so many other good shows in that past), canceled FOUR HOURS IN. Temptation Island. Paradise Hotel. (Still annoyed with that shit.) X-Men: The Last Stand. And now PG fucking 13 Die Hard?!? Sorry, Jack Bauer, you just ain't enough anymore. Happy trails.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Vern's Rant

    by Walter B

    I am pleased to see Vern, and everyone who responded to Vern's rant exhibit such emotion over DH4. But as someone who worked on the picture, and has seen a cut of it, I would suggest that all the yakkin' over the PG-13 issue hang onto their weapons for now. This episode if Die Hard is as good, if not better than the first Movie. And I was there for that one too. In a Summer filled with CG/fantasy driven films, Live Free or Die Hard is an in-your-face, hard-ass Action movie that will satisfy Vern, and anyone else who is a fan of the Die Hard series. All PG-13 means is that you cannot say f*ck more than twice. Other than that, the Mythology of Die Hard lives....I could not have been more pleased with how DH4 turned out. It'll be out soon enough, and I wanna hear what Vern has to say after he sees LForDie Hard.... Set your pre-judgement aside for another 7 weeks and then decide.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Nia Peeples was freaking AWESOME in Half Past Dead

    by Dr Hemlock

    Other than that HPD sucked.

  • May 5, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST


    by Walter B

    Since they have existed, I always said the first Die Hard was the only good one. I will go on record here as saying that Live Free or Die Hard is better than the first one. Take it from a guy who was there for all of them. John MaFuckin'Clane

  • May 5, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Just wait for the DVD

    by Batou

    Who really gives a shit about the theatrical release anymore, so long as the DVD gets released uncut? Although that said, there isn't a version of Die Hard 3 out that is as uncut as the theatrical release... I believe the studios say that theatrical releases are pretty much an expensive form of advertising for DVD sales. Leaving the theatrical release PG13 will give them a wider advertising base but probably make them less money up front. I'll just wait for the DVD...

  • May 5, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Walter B

    by Walter B

    you haven"t heard of a rough cut, 9? do the math, kid

  • May 5, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Walter B

    by Vern

    I was honestly thinking I couldn't ethically pay to see this movie if it's PG-13, but if I just read what I think I read that seems like a pretty fuckin solid recommendation. I better not be hearing no Mr. Falcon in this one, though. Unless Kevin Smith's character is named Mr. Falcon, 'cause I wouldn't mind seeing that dude get yippee ky yayed.<p> By the way, I've gotten a whole lot of emails in response to this piece, and almost every one related strongly to the part about bonding with their dads when they got to go see a DIE HARD movie even though it's rated R. These were stories that would make you tear up, Walter. So if it's not too late you might at least throw one more 'fuck' in there just for the sake of our nation's young men so they can grow up strong of character, etc.<p> thanks a million

  • May 6, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Walter Bruce, I did the math

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and as much as I like you, here is my adding excersize :<p> much worse action director then Die Hard 1<p>+<p>worse action DOP than DH1<p>+<p>worse concept than DH1<p>+<p>no Joel Silver<p>+<p>lamer bad guy than DH1<p>+<p>much worse supporting cast than DH1<p>kid to tag along<p>CGI airplane/highway<p>+<p>CGI lets duck between the cars sonny<p>+<p>surfing on a jet wing/jumping off being over 50 with no fire hose and barring no relation to Jackie Chan<p>+<p>PG 13<p>+<p>going back to the well the 4th time<p>=<p>A better film than original DIE HARD?<p>I don`t know Bruce, you do the math.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Vern thanx for support

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and monter2 you too. I hear you. <p>I think that 2 "fuck"s or even 3-4, WOW man, can you imagine FIVE... wow man, that is gonna be sooo intense.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:14 a.m. CST

    An why is now

    by 9banned0.5furious

    everybody on that damage control Die Hard TB now?

  • May 6, 2007, 4:15 a.m. CST

    If you think I am gonna have

    by 9banned0.5furious

    John Cussack take over R rated Die Hard... well you wrong.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:18 a.m. CST

    And what rough cut are we

    by 9banned0.5furious

    talking about anyway? I am comenting on stuff seen in the trailer. You know, the best stuff that`s supposed to get our asses into cinema.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:20 a.m. CST

    It worries me a lot

    by 9banned0.5furious

    to have Kevin Smith being funnier than John MafuckingCLaine. A lot.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST

    And Bruce looks same in Hostage

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and I liked that film untill that stupid last two reels. It was a bit of oldschool Bruce but way too angry/melancholic to be applyable to Die Hard John`s character.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:24 a.m. CST

    It reminded me

    by 9banned0.5furious

    also of the bruce cameo in Oven`s 12 and this is another thing I don`t need to associate with Die Hard.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    And I never for the

    by 9banned0.5furious

    life in me thought I am gonna say this, but here it is...

  • May 6, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay would make me

    by 9banned0.5furious

    quite confident of proper action and destruction for Die Hard 4.0. The standards have been lower so far that he is positively the best for R type mayhem now.

  • May 6, 2007, 4:30 a.m. CST

    That is why Spielberg

    by 9banned0.5furious

    hired him and the movie its gonna kick Die Hard`s ass. And I hate that. I don`t care about toys or changes they made. Or Shia Spielberg or stupid script. Its going to be giant robots destruction against pussyfied Die Hard. It will be no contest.

  • May 6, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Shit, who knows

    by 9banned0.5furious

    when again will I be given the responsibility to bring a TB to a 500!

  • May 6, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST

    And an R DIE HARD

    by 9banned0.5furious

    TB at that!

  • May 6, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST

    emerald, its not as much taking over

    by 9banned0.5furious

    the TB

  • May 6, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    as it is being left behind

    by 9banned0.5furious

    to defend the DIE HARD.

  • May 6, 2007, 6:08 a.m. CST

    The fact that people

    by 9banned0.5furious

    care more about Spiderman than Die Hard is at the core of quality cinema problems of today.

  • May 6, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST

    I sense that Bruce was

    by 9banned0.5furious

    venting his frustrations when he said motherfucker on that daytime sports cast.

  • May 6, 2007, 6:10 a.m. CST

    It seems he was reeled back forcefully

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and got drunk and spilled some beans over his favorite character being ruined by corporate mentality.

  • May 6, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST


    by Vern

    I think that "do the math" comment was actually meant for Monster2, the one right above his which had "9banned" as the subject line.<p> I gotta disagree with you on this one thing though, I would rather eat a live baby in front of my grandma than have Michael Bay direct a DIE HARD movie. I would rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than let that car engine in a human skin leave his satanic fingerprints on John McClane. In fact, this new PG-13 thing is the only part of ruining modern action movies that Michael Bay is not personally responsible for. The rest of it is all him. Don't even fucking say those words in the same sentence, you're only gonna give them ideas for part 5. It's like saying Candyman in front of a mirror, that motherfucker will show up and snort John McClane's soul right in front of you and then piss it out on your shoes.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    I went back and I think you`re right. It might be something to do with 100 postings by me that misled Walter so, yes, I think you`re right.<p>You seen my apology and shame before I wrote those blasphemus sentence, Michael Bay in connection with Die Hard? I think you are dead on with comments, but hey, Len Fucking Wiseman? He`s a double non entity. I mean he`s complete shit of a filmmaker so I must, even thou I absolutely hate myself for saying this, say Bay would do better Die Hard than Wiseman, if Joel Silver would be involved. Joel has a mastery of editing room that could keep shots longer than 1.01 seconds. Ok, I know, I added Silver now, so I cheated. Look when I saw Bad Boys in cinema I absolutely hated that shit and knew we`ve entered new era of POS maintream action cinema. But Bad Boys 2 had some intense shit that I can`t see Wiseman pulling off. Again, its the standards that have gotten so low that makes me write those things.<p>I personally would start going to church if it would bring Paul Verhoeven to do Die Hard. Or get McTiernan of that Pelicano shit that brought us into this shit in the first place...<p>I do have one question that I didn`t see adressed by you anywhere. If you can be bothered. What are your thoughts on, Ford Fairlane: The Rock And Roll Detective. I like it on many levels and to me is one of better R rated action comedies. Not as a guilty pleasure, but a true fun as hell, smart action pic. I guess it got Harlin the job to direct the second Die Hard, since I think its still his best movie, beside Long kiss...

  • May 6, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    All this talk of the modern action movies reminds me of

    by emeraldboy

    something. Billy Connolly was a great comic and I remember My brother telling me about the night when he broke all the rules of Comedy in Dublin. <p> Then he Married that witch Dr Pamela Stevenson, who bit by bit stripped him of his greatness. First went the smoking, then went the drinking, then went the cursing. <p> Then Came the books, where she tied him to her psychiatrist's chair and poured all the angst out of him and published two bestelling novels. Connolly was one the great modern standups of the latter half of the 20th century. <p> He pioneered/invented observational comedy and alternative comedy as well as comedic Story telling. He was voted the greatest standup of all time but he doesnt preform these days. Why? he is under the thumb of his wretched wife. <p> He made one joke about ken bigley and we havent heard from him since. Damn you pamela Stevenson. SHe runs a practice in LA. in beverly hills. her horrid show was called Shrink wrapped. Ghastly. but its all relative. Pyschologits have an agenda, the publish these reports which they then send to govts and boy are they acting on them. So studios are now like billy connolly being told to tone down the violence or else. Stevenson said that would divorce connolly and take away his children if he didnt clean up his act. So now studios are being forced to clean up thier acts.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    You are off topic, emerald

    by 9banned0.5furious

    but excelent post. Sad fact, story. I agree with last paragraph, only its the studios that tell everybody in the world to clean up their act. Talk about "its only entertainment".

  • May 6, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    How many people here realise

    by emeraldboy

    That the only studio that your govt listens to is Fox. So if the govt doesnt like 24. fox will act. Enter Screechy palmer the liberal lawyer.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    This better stay

    by 9banned0.5furious

    alive TB untill i return.

  • May 6, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I will add to my post saying...

    by emeraldboy

    Tommy Tiernan came to america and went on letterman and what he was stunned to find was that the america of his heroes cosby and the like was so conservative to the point where he to the comedy improve store in washington and was told that all material was vetted by the management, so if there was language in that act that was inoffensive it was taken out by the management. he was shocked that his view of liberal america didnt really tally at all. Its a good documentary jokerman and I recommend it.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Want a pg-rated DIE HARD ? Go watch the flop XXX2

    by Spacesheik

    PG 13 is the kiss of death to any DIE HARD movie - you basically are neuturing the film and giving us an airline or tv version - fuck you Tom Rothman. We already saw a pg rated version of DIE HARD - it was called XXX2 and it sucked balls and was one major flop (and shared similar plot elements). Plus we saw all the other pg rated shit as well: MI3 etc - lacklustre shit. DIE HARD needs to be violent, crude, vicious, the stakes need to be high. Fox you already fucked your movie and trailer twice by inserting a kid sidekick and Kevin fucking Smith - not to mention a jet action sequence that seems like a leftover from a james cameron 90s flick. Another thing which is highly important and which fans have not mentioned until now is the music score by the late Michael Kamen - his music was unique, had that Kamen sound and was integral to the DIE HARD flicks - I dont know if Marco Beltrami can effectively imbue the film with that Kamen sound.

  • May 6, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Len Wiseman

    by Walter B

    Will be remembered as the guy who not only brought Die Hard into the 21st Century, but brought it back to Life. There is obviously no way to tell until DH4 comes out, but when it does, compare it to DH3, and you will see what I mean. Len Wiseman believes in the Mythology of Die Hard, and lived up to it. Almost every stunt was Old School, and not CGI, and it gives the movie a reality that cannot be found on any Blue Screen. Vern WAS right, I was talking to 9, re: the 'do the math' comment. How many Fuck's you get in a film is an MPAA parochial notion. The MPAA thinks they are saving us all if we only hear 2 Fucks in a film. Bit that rule is also somewhat malleable, and it got pushed to the edge on DH4. But just have a little Faith, and you will be returned to the True Mythology of Die Hard. And I will say Yippe Ki Yay anywhere i choose, daytime TV or not...

  • May 6, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by Walter B

    Would have ruined DH4. Few people will work with him now, and I know I will never work with him again. And Spacesheik, DH4 was not ruined by the rating. Except for the "Fuck" allotment, this film rocks. Michael Kamen will be missed, but Marco Beltrami brought it in.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    speaking of Fox...

    by emeraldboy

    24 is going to get a massive shake up. the writers are aware of the pummelling this show has been getting and or going to do something about. We dont know what yet. but Season seven is going to look a hell of a lot different.

  • May 6, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    speaking of Fox...

    by emeraldboy

    24 is going to get a massive shake up. the writers are aware of the pummelling this show has been getting and or going to do something about. We dont know what yet. but Season seven is going to look a hell of a lot different.

  • May 6, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Walter B --

    by Spacesheik

    Thanks for passing by, but is there any chance in hell that Fox will reconsider a R-rated DH4? And don't forget to check the Harry Knowles thread about Willis - fanboy rage is brewing about the rating as well.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    I want to believe

    by Vern

    My heart tells me that Walter B would not lie to us. He didn't lie to us about Seagram's Golden Wine Cooler, I don't know why he would lie about something as sacred as DIE HARD.<p> But at the same time, I'm looking at the numbers here and they don't add up. I can't see any way all this could add up to what he's telling us it does. Luckily, I have never been good at math. So please Walter, PLEASE be right. If you're right I will be nice to Republicans for the rest of my life.<p> One question. Will we be blown through the back of the theater? If not how far will we be blown? It's gotta be a couple rows at least or we're gonna be rollin some cars afterwards. This is DIE HARD! Also are we allowed to say "fuck" as we are blown through the back or does that change the rating?<p>

  • May 6, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Walter B, huh?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    This just got really interesting!

  • May 6, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Bruce Willis just dissed Michael Bay in talkback

    by Chief Redcock

    This day, he is officially a talkbacker... honestly, how cool is that? Bruce... err, "Walter," if you keep posting in talkback (at least for a while) and give quality answers to our questions, I guarantee you that every fanboy on this site will buy D4 tickets, probably on opening day.

  • May 6, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    There is only one thing for it Vern...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    If you want to remain unblemished send me the script, I will see if it reads like a new Die Hard movie or if it reads like any other aimed at the kids action adventure... Oh and Walter B should have taken the TB nickname 'JOE LELAND' to really geek the place up...

  • May 6, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    A little CGI never hurt anybody

    by Vern

    It warms my heart to hear that most of the stunts were practical. At the same time I gotta point out, it would be stupid to be a zealot about that shit. The other DIE HARD movies have models and blue screens. Using special effects is not new to the series. I'm sure McClane flying away from the explosion in DIE HARD 2 would look way more real if they did it now with the power of digital. So I'm not gonna bite my fist every time they use computers. (Still, nice to hear they're keeping it to a minimum.)<p> By the way, in the other more violent talkback I noticed alot of people being mad that he has a daughter in this one. I don't get that one either because McClane always had kids. Not only that, but in the book DIE HARD was based on (Nothing Lasts Forever by Roderick Thorpe) the McClane-type character was trying to save his daughter, not his wife. So it's going back to the roots.

  • May 7, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by buffywrestling

    Walter B is wading right in without fucking water wings - and without hand-holding, as I mentioned in Harry's TB - and that is just cool as fuck. <p> [This post is still rated Pg-13]+

  • May 7, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Bruce Willis AKA Walter Bruce Willison. Born: 3/19/55

    by BGDAWES

    Walter B = Walter Bruce Willison? If this is for real then holy shit Bruce, you're legit in my humble meaningless opinion so maybe DH4 will be as well.

  • May 7, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    So, the knee jerk reacting is over...?

    by Womb2dooM's safe to come out? For a while there I was worried (although Vern was right, it's a blood fest over at the "phone call TB". Poor Harry... He was... he was young...). When will people learn to wait for the final production before casting judgment (Casino Royale and Spider-Man 3 as good negative and positive examples)! BTW, Walter B: I don't think him is who you think him is...

  • May 7, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Hey Walter.

    by Jack21

    Thanks for all the info, "Walter"!This is very cool of you coming on here and talking to fans like this. I, for one, can't wait to see Live Free or Die Hard--PG-13 or not. The word "fuck" doesn't make the movie, a good script does. And if Bruce...opps..."Walter" says this is right up there with the original, I believe him. DH and DHWA are two of my favorite movies--with "Die Harder" not running too far behind. Any idea if there'll be a sequel to "The Fifth Element"? Another goody. Thanks for your time, man. Can't wait to see this one.

  • May 7, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Did I miss something?!

    by Womb2dooM

    Where is it confirmed that this "Walter B" poster is actually Brucie?! I deeply apologise if it actually is but, come on! - It can't be that easy to pull the wool over the most cynical movie website in the world (I base this on no evidence), can it?

  • May 7, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST


    by buffywrestling

    Did you see the TB's for Heath Legder's JOkeR or what?? <p> Sorry, Quint, I kid because I love!

  • May 7, 2007, 1:28 a.m. CST

    A repost? Fucked up format?

    by buffywrestling

    [I know it sucks, especially if you are bouncing from talkback to talkback on the same subject, but I hope some will grant me a little lenicency. I would like Vern to see it and with all the vitrolic in Harry's talkback....well, I wouldn't blame him for carrying out the battle on his own turf.] <p> If the comments made by "Walter B" are made from who I suspect - and possibly who Vern's suspects, although I feel uncomfortable speaking for his possible intention - then Mr. Willis is comfortable with the Die Hard mythology (McClainverse?) of Live Free/Die Hard as canon, Pg-13 or not; no matter how comments of Willis to a reporter have been recorded, over blown and/or taken out of context notwithstanding. <p> Because reporters don't have an agenda. Yes. No agenda whatsoever. <p> Now I'm not saying that there is no damage control on the studios part nor a publicity "stunt" to increase box office. But I fail to see how this is different than any other business the studios park take in to get our money. Tom Cruise flew around in bloody helicopters and shit to spin MI:3 when it appeared the press corps were going for his throat. Mr. Willis would like to come on a simple AICN talkback and speak to us personally to ally the dread of fans which has pop upped due to the rating. Which one is more fucked up, I ask you? <p> Geeks - mostly male, as an observation -are in a frenzy because a Pg-13 rating seems to be less swearing, less titties and less blood. All of which are commendable, no sarcasm intended because I happen to embrace all three. But I am a firm believer in "It is the tale; not he who tells it." If the story holds, nothing else matters. If Live Free/Die Hard goes radically off canon, then the torching of the film is apparpos; in fact, you may use my lighter. But like some others, I will wait and see. It seems a lot of you think that the story can absolutely NOT be told without the freedom of an R rating and are bashing your heads against the cyber walls of the injustice of it all. I believe you are excusing yourselves within the confines of the rating system, just as you accuse the studios of doing. Blood, cursing and titties should MEAN something, otherwise you become a sad, smirking fart joke of gratuity that is prevalent nowadays. <p> And if "Walter B" is Willis posting on a Vern's TB, he has already surpassed what Sly has done for the AICN and my fellow geeks therein. He called someone a fucking "kid" already! He has possibly initiated himself in the TB's, without hand-holding (No offence, Harry). He's not soft; he's HARD. And I have the feeling he will really mix it up with the Q & A with all of you and I will sit back with Kurt Russell. And laugh.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST


    by Vern

    I don't think it's fair to call this all a knee jerk reaction. Of course, if the movie comes out and knocks us on our asses and/or through the back of the theater, we're gonna say "phew" and laugh at how wrong we were and all give each other high fives and set off some fireworks and erect a statue of Len Wiseman in the town square and watch Underworld Evolution again and try to figure out how exactly this happened.<p> But we also are movie fans, who have watched alot of movies. We know the difference between DIE HARD and what is allowed in PG-13, and we have a hard god damn time wrapping our minds around that, especially considering everything else that makes us skeptical about this movie. And when we read that they are THINKING of cutting it to a PG-13, it makes more sense to say "HOLD ON A GOD DAMN MINUTE!" now than to wait until after the deed has been done. If it changes nothing, at least we gave it a shot, and at least whichever marketing genius came up with this brilliant strategy gets to scroll through ten thousand angry talkbacks and hopefully have his heart do a little pitter patter hoping he didn't bet on the wrong horse. It's the least we can do to repay the guy.<p> Now Walter B has arrived and if he is who he is not exactly saying he is, but we can read between the lines, then obviously we respect him for ten thousand different reasons and hope we will agree with what he is telling us about LIVE FREE OR DIE [LAST WORD OF TITLE TO BE DETERMINED]. But it would be foolish not to be extremely damn skeptical.<p> I still don't know if I can ethically pay money to see this movie. Because even if he's right and this is the best action movie since HARD BOILED, are you still gonna tell me it would not be even better if the Fox Corporation would use some COMMON GOD DAMN SENSE and give them the freedom of an R-rated movie like the other 3 in the series? Also, could the movie PLEASE have the courtesy of blowing all the obnoxious unchaperoned teens through the back of the theater early on, since their parents never taught them to shut off their stupid phones and close their worthless idiot yaps? (sorry, I saw SPIDERMAN 3 and the scene was not pleasant.)<p> As for CASINO ROYALE, I only gave a shit about a new James Bond movie after they signed on Daniel Craig, so don't lay that one on me. I saw MUNICH. I knew the score on that one.<p> anyway thanks bud.

  • May 7, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Hey Vern!

    by Womb2dooM

    I realise that this is your TB that you started, but my comments weren't entirely directed at you. I was merely reflecting as to the intense backlash that occurred as a direct result. As an eternal film optimist, I refused to concede that this movie was dead in the water after this ratings announcement (and I WAS disconcerted - as in my above post), especially having witnessed the trailers. I'm actually more worried about the claims of how its better then DH1. I don't think that's possible and it worries me when they talk things up to that degree (Matrix sequels...). My Casino vs Spidey inclusion was just an example of how wrong the film community can get things when judging material before seeing a single frame first hand. Having said that, I do think the cutting to a PG-13 rating is a bad idea (to what extent is unclear) and greatly appreciate all your efforts to use your position to right the potential wrong.

  • May 7, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    what if Walter B is...

    by The Dum Guy

    just some smart-ass that knows how to psyche people out? Wouldn't the real Bruce Willis have the balls to name himself "DaRealFUKNBruce" or something to that nature?

  • May 7, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Freedom of an R-rating

    by buffywrestling

    I have used the expression [see above] and you have used the expression [the same] but I think we are using them in a different manner, although our goal is somewhat the same. I think we both want the last (?) film of the DH franchise not to suck. I believe it is something we are hoping for above all else. However, I also believe that a solid story can be told in the genre and not be sold short without an R-rating. Perhaps you should read that script. After all, the more you know....

  • May 7, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    I am Walter B

    by Walter B

    i am John Mafuckin'Clane. What if I came to you all, just as as guy who in the last weeks of post, facing a 5 week, World-Wide press tour, an crazed at the prospect of it, just wanted to take a simpler approach to talking to this enormous group of people, who depsite pre-judgements from many, praise from a smaller minority, and some just waiting to see "what shakes out", merely wished to have an outlet to chat with people I seldom get to chat with, and what if I just listened? And then thought about what I was going to say, and wrote back honestly. I had a website up for a while, I shut it down for an indefinite period, but now, getting ready to launch the longest shot of my careeer, I feel a strong personal pull to hear from an audience I do not know, sans Bullshit,(And that means I tell the Truth), sans gossip, just the straight, tight shit. I would personally hope it might be more about my work, good and bad, just us. Harry can chime in if he likes, but frankly it's not cumpolsory........HOW WOULD THAT BE? in veritas Beedub

  • May 7, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Yes the solid

    by 9banned0.5furious

    story can be told, but you can`t blast Takagi to hell and lift that movie to a whole new level in a second. And if you haven`t seen Die Hard 1 when it came out I am sorry for you, but up untill that moment the movie was just kinda cool/interesting and drawing you in and you were there cause you like action movies. But when Gruber wasted that guy you KNEW there and then, that you are in for something you have never seen before. EVER. And expectations went trough the roof for that movie to deliver on this promise while you`ve been watching it and boy did it deliver the more it went on. <p>No amount of writing genious is going to get around that issue. It simply won`t sell. It will sell to people who think Spiderman or Xmen or whatever shit has good action. Howewer it will completely suck for anyone with any real comprehension of what an action megamovie is.

  • May 7, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Hard Boiled - PG 13?

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I don`t remember any heavy swearing(maybe because I dont speak chinese) in Hard Boiled. I don`t think there is one "fuck" in there. But you wan`t to say look, thats PG13. Look how good writing without swearing can make a fine kidfriedly picture. Istat what you`re sayin!?

  • May 7, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Walter are you saying

    by 9banned0.5furious

    you can`t see the difference between R and PG13 Die hard 1. That it doesnt matter? I`ll repost this:<p>since there is plants here trying to overgrow the issue at hand. So ratings changed with time? Soooo, lets take original Die Hard and edit it into todays PG 13 of 2007.<p>Cut out about 300 "fucks" out leaving alowed 2, hell leave 5 if you think it will work.<p>Cut out Takagi`s death. Can`t show that, no no.<p>Cut whole John vs Karl fight since its full of cusing. No you`re not allowed to make"I`ll jolly cook ya" and such. Also I dont think you can strangle/hang people with chain in kids movie.<p>No knecapping bad guy, and cut him landing headfirst into window.<p>Cut some discussion with Argyle during limo ride.<p>Cut coke and tits, thus making Ellis a good stand up executive we all love.<p>Cut killing from uder the table, exploding balls, cant have that.<p>Cut shots where John twice chechs the topless chick pic in the elevator maintanance area. Real life=gone.<p>Cut FBI Jonsons, since they are not kid friendly at all, plus they are not 100 great and good PC people, so cut.<p>Cut scene after running over glass. Too much blood.<p>Cut the obvious TV media bashing. Rupert can`t have that. I mean cut the TV news scenes too. but first cut Richard Thornburg.<p>Then go cut John`s 911 call since you can`t edit around.<p>While you`re at it, cut the intro airport scene because he smokes, an we can`t have that either.<p>cut more stuff to comply with PG13 untill done.<p>yes, today the original Die Hard would be same and surely be PG 13 if released. We advanced so far from that dark age of 80`s.<p>Is that what you were saying when you said you can`t tell difference between R and PG13. Beacuse if you can`t, than you Sir are either visualy impaire(read retarded) or flat ou liar. If there is a third option please do tell.

  • May 7, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    You are not just a guy Mr. Senior Citizen

    by 9banned0.5furious

    you are a 20/20 guy. That means you get 20 million dollars and big points from the first earned dollar. That makes you anything but "just a guy". Little chatting and BS on the internet in return for, what, 50-70-100? million dollars. <p>Well, wow pal. Shure can start ordering pizzas for whole Talkbacalypto here forewer. I would probably sell out for that number as well. Who knows. AI know you`ll need all this new money since it might be the last if movie turns out as we suspect it will.

  • May 7, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    In think you maybe

    by 9banned0.5furious

    honestly tried to do low key Die Hard, when making 16 Blocks. Man if that beat up&desilusioned cop wasn`t John MaClane, then, this guy in Live Free sure ain`t. I am sorry it flopped but I liked it. It had good grounded action. Yes it had some stupid story twists but, I say fuck it.<p>Why didn`t you get Richard Donner to do Die Hard. Are you trying to say Len Wiseman is a better action director that Richard Fucking Donner?!

  • May 7, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I`ll keep track of this spin doctoring

    by 9banned0.5furious

    on AICN concerning Die Hard untill release. Then on day the Die Hard 4 comes out<p>I am gonna go to chinatown and buy cam DVD of this PG13 supposedly better than first R Die Hard. Than when I see wheather I have been flat out lied too in regard to "being as good as or better" and actually HEAR: <p>YIPIKA YAY MOTHERFUCKER, THAN a PAUSE AND THAN BLAST/SHOT/WHATEVER <p>and not <p>YIPIKA YAY MO-- AND EXPLOSION CHEATING OR SOMEBODY BREAKS WINDOW OR SOMETHING GETS JOHN`s ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE ISSUE AT HAND or ANYMOTHERFUCKING VARIATION WHERE WE DON`T GET CLEAR AND JUICY YIPIKAYEY MOTHERFUCKER. <p>... closely wathing above mentioned issue while watching that crapy cam DVD I`ll be able to see if anyone actually dies hard, and if there is any blood anywhere and if CGI was not overused(car piruets bluescreen jetfighters etc) and get an opinion on that Jet wing surfing/jump. <p>If I am satisfyed and don`t feel flat out being lied too than first I am going to get my best fried to spit in my face for doubting the hollyness of Die Hard and Bruce<p>(since this one will be better, wow, I am soo thrilled by the sheer though that action cinema will be lifted onto a new plato)<p>than I will go and see that movie in cinema 3 or 7 of 11 times and come here to Talkbackalypto`s and apologise profoundly. That`s what I plan to do.<p>If howewer I see that shit pirate cam DVD is indeed what I think now of PG13 Die Hard 4 will be and have all the lies from Bruce to backitup, or whoever will pose as him on Q&A, well then you motherfucker are gone forewer and ALL the goodwill for you, all your movies and whatever cause you try to forward will die at that very second. You`ll pocked that 20/20 money from naive idiots who`ll pay to see that shit and than retire forewer to shame of appearing on Italian TV and in Japanese and Italian commercials. Mind you last time I checked, they had internet and smart people in Italy too, soo who knows if even they`ll tolerate you.

  • May 7, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    This video in a way

    by 9banned0.5furious

    represents my dread of what Die Hard in PG13 will make me think about Bruce afterwards.<p>

  • May 7, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    BSB, I totaly see divorced&forgoten

    by 9banned0.5furious

    JohnMacLane in 16 Blocks. (Remember with a vengence?) The whole movie feels very real. Add that reminded me of original Die Hard. Its not about constant explosions. Its about 2-3 but damn big ones.<p>Its about blowing Tagagis brain out.<p>Its about crashing an airplane full of innocent civilians.<p>whatever bulding or person they`ll blow up in Live Free, I guarantee you right here&now it won`t have the visceral impact of those two examples. Period. Coma. And one more.

  • May 7, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Kurosawa was 75!!!!!!

    by 9banned0.5furious

    when he did RAN. Donner could do it for sure, with some great backup. Have you seen Ran, BSB? If haven`t=go away watch right now, than come back and report being blown away.

  • May 7, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    This I posted in the other

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Talbacalypto BUT suits here better and would like Walter to adress it if he can.<p>I am betting that there is no true R footage whatsoever, and the "unrated" crap DVD will be just that. Crap. UNRATED just means you didn`t give the DVD to MPAA to rate it. Hell it may very well be the same theatrical version. Or they put some more shots of planes flying. Or mackintosh guy one extra smile.

  • May 7, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    A very special and direct question for Walter

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I want a stright answer:<p>Did you do a take where you explicitly said :"Yipika Yay motherfucker!" facing camera?<p>Was there actual film in the camera?<p>Yes ok its 2 questions. So whats up, tell us stright.

  • May 7, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    I can live with 2 Fucks! I trust Walter B's opinion

    by Mace Tofu

    This could be a "Raiders or Poltergeist " level of gore and action so nothing wrong with that. Walter B your flicks get played many times in my household, thanks for the good times and yes I paid to see GRINDHOUSE , you looked like you had fun doing that flick lol. Ps you sold 2 more tickets to DH4!

  • May 7, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    In poltergeist nobody

    by 9banned0.5furious

    pulls a triger. And Raiders is sunday serial adventure. Nazis melting is fun but not disturbing in a "can happen" reality sense. You do understand the difference between gore and R action, do you Mace?

  • May 7, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Who came up with this "what if I just listen"

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and respond later strategy Walter. Did the first call u made to Harry and reaction to it not pan out the way your team planned? Maybe you don`t want flat out lie about the Die Hard 4, since obviously there is serious problem lying somewhere in there. Its commendable you don`t won`t to flat out lie to people. Its also smart since that will/would never go away. Never. It would follow you and your work anyway yu went after betraying Die Hard. But since 4 is as good or better that 1, why worry. Man I look forward to this experioece.

  • May 7, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Would Mel Gibson be the right person

    by 9banned0.5furious

    for a hard core Die Hard film? He probably would never be interested, or Bruce in him maybe or whatever. Imposible them two working together, but wow, I like just imagining it.

  • May 7, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    A sad day, but hopefully all is not lost!

    by the darkman

    I always come to this site at least twice a day to check out the latest news, and I've always looked over the tb's, but have never posted until now. It took a PG-13 rating for a Die Hard film to do it. I'm very disappointed with the news of the rating, adn I've been aroudn enough movies to know that there is a big difference in terms of sheer intensity that can be reached with each rating. Yes I know that you can get away with more now with a PG-13 rating then you could years ago, but in reality it's not much more. I also know there are some really good PG-13 rated action movies, I'm not getting into naming them because I feel it's not valid. You can name all the good PG-13 rated action movies you want, but it still doesn't negate the fact that we're talking about a Die Hard movie. I grew up watching the Die Hard movies, and I respect Bruce a great deal. He's given us some really great movies over the years, and I hope he's right, but when you limit yourself for a PG-13 rating you loosing that something special that made Die Hard great. I'm not talking about all the F-bombs, or the blood. It's more than that, it's story points, intensity, and the sheer fact of who the character is. I know Fox is doing this because they feel they'll make more money off of it, but I feel their really hurting themselves in the long run. Adults still go to the movies, adn they want to see adult entertainment with a good story, and good characters. An R rating doesn't mean death for a movie, and some of these studios have no clue about that. I'm not sure what's so hard for them to understand, each year there are movies that make a lot of money that are R rated. As long as you make a good product that people are interested in seeing, They Will Come!!! I thought especially in a summer where we have no R rated action movies that they would want to stand out, but I guess I was wrong, adn this maybe a terrible end for a great franchise.

  • May 7, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Hey 9, be nice

    by Vern

    If that's really Walter B and not the guy who made the fake Batman pictures, then you oughta show him respect. The only other time I wrote about a movie and the maker of the movie posted in the talkbacks the guy actually challenged me to a wrestling match. Walter B has remained calm and friendly despite all the negativity thrown his way. This is a pretty amazing occurrence, it seems like, so ask your tough questions but don't be an asshole about it.<p> I like your idea about Mel Gibson directing DIE HARD, though. The guy is a lunatic but damned if I didn't enjoy APOCALYPTO. Only thing is, I'm not sure which language you would change DIE HARD to. Maybe McClane goes to Africa somewhere and the whole thing is subtitled in an obscure African dialect, and instead of Yippee Ky Yay he makes a reference to an African folk tale or something.

  • May 7, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Intensity plays a part.

    by the darkman

    It does if you agree, or not.

  • May 7, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by colematthews

    Dude. Seriously. Calm the fuck down, and please learn to spell. Reading this talkback becomes a chore of sisyphean proportions once your name rolls around. Seeing you post 40 times in a row, every single post containing at least 2 grammatical errors, and then talking a bunch of shit (while continuing to misspell) to every person who dares to disagree with you, including the man himself. You're asking for a talkback beatdown, man. Just ease up for a sec, this issue isn't going to get better with you here mod'ing everything. I'm on your side, but just chill.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    You guys are morons

    by Smalter P

    Come on! I am suprised at all of you. Nobody else calls bullshit on "Walter B." Fuck. Childish language: "i am John Mafuckin'Clane" and "just the straight, tight shit" Grammar Mistakes!!! And, please, I would hope that Bruce would know how to spell "despite" and "compulsory." I mean, come on, "cumpolsory"? You losers are the ones being cummed on by a smart-ass geek with a lot of time on his hands and a Wikipedia entry on Bruce minimized in the background. Take it from me, the real Bruce Willis. lol

  • May 7, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Good Morning

    by Walter B

    I am off to the looping stage to replace dialog that needs to be replaced due to outside noise- explosions, crowd noise etc. I feel pretty sure most of you know what looping is- but I wanted to see if I could answer a couple of these queations. 9, I came up with the concept of "what if I just listen". In this case it would be reading as opposed to listening, but let"s see. I doubt if Mel would want to do a Die Hard, as he had his own Franchise with Lethal Weapon. As a side note I dug Apocalypto as well, and I think he a great film maker, and a teriffic storyteller. Harry and I had a brief conversation about whether or not we could figure out some kind of '10' questions, or something like that, but since our conversation we have not talked. I chose, for now, to just jump in and see if I could answer some of the questions you guys had. I have no interest in answering questions about my Family, or any of the other more salacious stuff I have read here, but if it has to do with DH4, I will give it a shot. Even when you are not talking to the guy/guys from a film, there seems to be a great deal of hating and pre-judgement that goes on on this site. Is that how it usually goes in the AICN boards? I was just curious. And honestly, I wanted to hear what the AICN cats had to say about films, mine included the dogs as well as the winners. So I am not sure how we could format these talkbacks to satisfy the Q and A process, but I am open to it. I just looked for a couple questions. Yes there is an interesting flip on the Yippe Ki Yay Motherfucker part of DH4 that I think will be suprising( to a certain degree) but is more than satisfying to me and hopefully to the people who are fans of the Mythology of Die Hard. To that point I will try to answer darkman. All the intensity, the story flips and surprises, and most importantly, John MaClanes dark sense of humor remain intact in DH4, and was not compromised at all by the rating.Within the first 12 minutes of the movie you will forget about the rating anyway. To 9. I also realize that I am being dared to talk about the film, and that there is some suspicion that I would actually lie about the content, or the quality of the movie, but I know as well as you all do that my words will be here long after the Film comes out, and I will stand by them. And being pleasantly surprised by how well the film turned out, I have no reason to lie to you guys/girls here than I would anywhere else. And as I said in an earlier post, try to set your pre-judgement aside until you have seen the movie. We never thought about the PG-13 aspect that the MPAA saddled us with, because neither Len nor I EVER pussied out on the action, which is hard-core, fresh, and scary at some points, even. The only thing we could not do was say Fuck more than twice. But the hard-ass feel of the movie more than makes up for not being able to cuss as freely as I did in the other 3 Films. We ask for no quarter, nor do we give it. So I am happy to answer questions about the Film whenever, and in whatever form is workable to you guys/girls. Hopefully that will be the last time I have to type "guys/girls- I think you all know what I mean when I use the generic term "guys". And 9, Takagi would still have his brains blown out had he been in DH4. Perhaps with a bit less gore, but we have some kills in DH4 that will still rock your ass. to be continued, MaFuckin'Clane

  • May 7, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by Smalter P

    If that was truly Bruce, why would he spend his time on the damned TALKBACKS when Harry is obviously preparing a featured couple of threads for Bruce. This is total BS.

  • May 7, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by Jack21

    Hey Walter, Will there be any cameos of people from the preceding movies? Perhaps that treacherous newsman, Dick Thornburg? Or Sgt. Al Powell? Can't wait to see this.

  • May 7, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    hey Smalter

    by Walter B

    you never made a typo while typing? Take your best shot, but fuck off with comments about my typing. I can spell, I just neglected to proofread what I type sometimes. to a rolling stone, all your Yippee Ki Yay, Motherfucker dreams will be satistfied. And my friends have been calling me MaFuckin'Clane for years now, so let that one go. Oh, and 9, about your 16 Blocks comment. I always joked that we were actually making Die Hard 16. But yes, there was some MaClane in the 16 Blocks character... and to all the doubters, the ones who think this is some studio gimmick, or not really me, I would suggest you Cowboy the Fuck Up, and let it go. I am interested in what you have to say far more than what I have to write. I am here for that reason. beedub/MaFuckin'Clane/Walter B and proofreading is for pussies.... All I can say is that I will do what I can to remain comprehensible

  • May 7, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    to smalter,

    by Walter B

    why do you find it so difficult to believe I would come into this thread and actually participate in it. Tell me what ISN'T bullshit in your World... hey 9, that is a long list, and way up in the Thread, but I will take a shot at your questions/comments. bw

  • May 7, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    This is priceless

    by Smalter P

    Proofreading is for pussies. Buahahaha, jesus. Yeah, of course I have made mistakes, like when I typed suprised instead of surprised. And why is it so difficult to believe? Hah, come on. So, did that feature with Harry thing fall through? Is his line too busy with calls from J.J.? Aren't you late to your looping session which you talked about like a half hour ago? You are not Bruce, and if you are, go to your looping session and do a proper Q and A later with Harry, Stallone style. Christ.

  • May 7, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST


    by Mdot1985

    Yeah man, i do not believe anything you are saying...even if you really are Bruce Willis(highly doubt it). If you really are him why the fuck wouldn't you call him and tell him that you are answering peoples questions under the s/n WALTER B. Actually that would be smart. Call him right now, because you obviously have alot of time on your hands if your writing paragraphs on the talk back forms, and tell him "Hey you fat fuck its Bruce fuckin Willis again and tell these people I'm motherfucking Walter B before i cook you and fuckin eat you". But make sure you beap out the swears with the phone because we want it to be PG13!

  • May 7, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    yo Smalter,

    by Walter B

    No, the session with harry has not fallen thru, I just wanted to jump in and not wait for the procedural part of that interview. You probably have more access to Harry than I do anyway. with that I am off to the sound stage. beedub

  • May 7, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Yo Walter,

    by Smalter P

    Shit, the producers of Die Hard are probably like, "Where the fuck is Bruce, he said he'd be here an hour ago!" "Sorry guys, I had to trade insults and answer questions on some movie geek website's talkback section. Anyone have a computer so I can log in and bitch some more?"

  • May 7, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Is it really so hard to believe?

    by Die Hardest

    It's not exactly a rare occurrence a celebrity has communicated with his/her fans on a message board.

  • May 7, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I have a question Walter B.

    by the darkman

    How did Len Wiseman get picked as director? I'm just curious I have no problem with the man, and I just wanted to know. How was it working with him? Just curious.

  • May 7, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    If Walter B. is who says he is...

    by The Dum Guy

    Then I'd like to know who you'd think would win in a fight Stallone or Arnold?

  • May 7, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Hello Walter

    by Movie Mad

    First of all, I would like to say that I have enjoyed most of the movies that I have seen you in, particularly the Die Hard trilogy, Death Becomes Her, The Fifth Element... You, sir, are a Legend. I would have to admit my first feeling on the whole PG-13 thing was frustration, particularly as Die Hard was one of the first movies I recall seeing (at the tender age of 6). I recall seeing that cover and thinking, "what is that cool skyscraper movie?" Seeing as I saw the film at home, I can't say it blew me through the back wall of the cinema, but I can say that it did blow me through my living room wall. However, my feeling of anger soon subsided and I had a bit of a think. I still wanted to see Die Hard 4.0 (as it is called in the UK). Why? Because it is my chance (and probably last) to see Walter B doing what he does best on a huge screen in a comfy cinema seat. I can't help but be excited. The trailer before Spidey 3... The standee in the cinema... Walking past the poster... I then thought about the PG-13 thing. Casino Royale was PG-13. Sure, it was cut in the States to get that rating, but that was some pretty intense stuff, and that proves you can get away with murder (ahem) almost in a PG-13 film. The MPAA must be really relaxed these days if they allow a guy to get whipped in the balls repeatedly. You don't need swears to be a badass. Bond proved that. I then realized that if I, as a Brit, am okay with our censored version of DHWAV (I assisted with a cuts list on that here, if you're curious): ), then I can put up with a few over-dubbed bits of strong language. Because I have faith. I have faith in Walter P. The trailers have given me that. 16 Blocks and Hostage are both great little action films, of the kind we don't see too often. Hopefully, I haven't bored you with my hopes for the film because now I wouldn't mind asking a few questions that are on my mind: - How much swearing was there in the original script? - Did you swear often during your improvisations on set? How often would you say you improvised and how much of it is in the film? - Will Europe get a stronger version of this film? (e.g. Casino Royale, Dodgeball) - Have you ever thought about directing like Mel Gibson and Sylvester Stallone? Thanks for reading and I hope you get back to me soon.

  • May 7, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    No Matter How Hard You Try To Spin This, Walter B...

    by utz_world

    ...a PG-13 Die Hard is the epitome of the phrase "sell-out". Hard to believe that the day has come when a British spoof of cop movies has got more guts, glory & balls than a Die Hard sequel. Amaaaaaazing....

  • May 7, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Hey Walter B- why the antithesis to a jungle DH4?

    by The Souper

    hey man- if it's really you thanks for taking the time. I have to first echo what's been said- my parents took me to see Die Hard in theaters, and I walked out of the screening hovering 6 inches off the ground. As a kid in 5th grade, i had just had my ass appropriate rocked for the first time, and it's one of my favorite childhood memories. The sequels were shared on opening weekend between my dad and me- one of our few unspoken bonds- we both were excited beyond words about a new sequel. Age was irrelevant. bytheway you're crazy- DH3 kicked and still kicks major ass. MY QUESTION: while DH4 floundered for nearly a decade, i read everything from your indifference about continuing, to saying "no" after 9/11, to wanting to go low-tech and have a bare-fisted jungle Die Hard 4. From what I can tell- this installment is bigger in scope than all the previous entries. Why the change of heart, from "no thanks" to "we'll see" to "a jungle theme would turn the series on it's head" to "this one's better than the first" when it appears to be almost Bond-esque in scale? Do you realize that most guys of my generation (28 years old) view Die Hard as THE definitive action movie of all time? Are you really claiming to have a BETTER movie on your hands with DH4? I would also say- the R rating always made Die Hard work because the violence would shock. It's gotta be a tougher sell making the kindof impact we're used to from a die hard movie without the ability to threaten with violence through an R-rating. Did you guys have a tougher time making the film intimidating within a PG-13 framework? The reason us dudes (and girls) are so worked up is because we value this franchise and it's part of our upbringing. We just want it to rock more than- well, Transformers. anyway- thanks for doing this.

  • May 7, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    9, RAIDERS showed blood so my point was some studio PG

    by Mace Tofu

    some PG movies from studios lean closer to an R so if DH4 has to show a guy get run over by a truck and all we see is a blood smear on the pavement Vs seeing him have his guts ripped out and wrapped around the axel and his head run over with eyeballs popping out I can live with that... I have faith in Walter. Just don't give us any scenes where the cops get blown-up and set on fire in one shot , then walk away fine in the next (X-Men 2 anyone)

  • May 7, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Question to Walter...

    by Lord_Sulkine

    I just wanted to know will there be any cameos from previous DH characters? Thanks in advance.

  • May 7, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Holy shit - Questions!!!

    by dregmobile

    Stallone never got to read any of mine, but that's okay. Bru- I mean, Walter B, just want to say THANKS for choosing to participate online in the lead up to DH4's release. <br> <br> My greatest fear is that DH4 may play similar to KING ARTHUR, of which there are now two versions – an R and a PG-13. I guess this will be different since this is an established franchise. If there is some good to come of the PG rating, it would be that DH4 will make a boatload of cash and give cause for Fox and all involved to return for an ‘R’ sequel. <br> <br> Only problem is that each of the previous DIE HARD’s only grossed around $100M domestically. If DH4 cracks that figure, is that considered a success? Maybe we need to know what the budget is for DH4 to understand why Fox has gone with PG-13. Of course it’s not going to topple TRANSFORMERS, the demographics are far wider with that property. Any comparisons made between these films is to me unfair. <br> <br> Walter, I have a question about the mythology of Die Hard. You said that Len Wiseman is returning to this mythology, therefore making DH4 as good as, if not better than DH1. <br> <br> Could you explain what this mythology is? Because while DH1 is my favourite of the three, I fucking love the hell out of DH3. The characters and story were never geographically confined (as they were in DH1&2). Jumping off a bridge, shoot-out on a highway, driving through a park, action in the subway, it was like a roller coaster ride. And I loved the buddy element in Samuel Jackson. <br> <br> It’s obvious these same elements are alive in DH4, in that the characters are all over the place, but this time the chaos in these places is more prevalent. Therefore how has Len preserved the hardcore DH mythology in this piece? Could you explain the requisite elements for the mythology? <br> <br> Even though it’s PG-13, I’m still confident DH4 will kick a lot of ass. Stick around, Walter B, the questions have only begun ...

  • May 7, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    How about if Demon Dave showed up and revealed...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    That Bruce WIllis had signed to co-star with him in The DOORWAY To TRUE EVIL... Which would now be rated PG-13... Although with a promise of a unrated director's cut on DVD that would feature actual, uncensored, juggfuckling...

  • May 7, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Spot on, Vern.

    by SylarTheCylon

    Seldom have such heartfelt words been expressed, I wholeheartedly agree.

  • May 7, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    So, Walter B....

    by hadez

    The real deal or the Overlord of the Plant people? We'll see...

  • May 7, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Walter B.

    by the darkman

    I would like to hear your thoughts on The Last Boy Scout? I love that movie. Plus what was it like working with Tony Scott? I saw that movie in the theater when it came out, and I laughed my ass off. Plus it had some really cool action scenes.

  • May 7, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    hey darkman

    by Walter B

    The Last Boy Scout started out to be a great film about Sports Gambling. Somewhere along the line it got changed into some silly fucking chase to save a Senator that got me fired. Maybe the people in charge of Sports gambling had something to say about it. I'll never know. It was great working with Tony S. He likes lots of close ups, doesn't he? But the first half hour of that film was pretty good. Plus it was my first shot at play a cop post Die Hard. thanks man I still dig Shane Black's writing, and thought he had a great voice then, and still does.

  • May 7, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    hey TomBodet

    by Walter B

    At the time I finally agreed to do LForDH, I considered it a huge gamble. in the wrong hands , it could have truly sucked. But to answer your question, I wanted to know if I was still up for it, wanted to know if a movie that began in 1986 could be brought into the 21st Century, and I am a gambling man by nature. But I gotta say, it's a lot easier talking about the movie now that I have seen a rough cut of it. It makes listening to the Haters seem like, well, Haters without and basis for their prejudice. I got no time for Haters. Life is too short. thanks WB

  • May 7, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Walter B.

    by the darkman

    I love Shane Blacks writing. Yeah Tony loves his close-ups, but he always makes solid movies. How was it working Richard Donner? I thought 16 blocks was really good, and I thought it deserved better box-office, but that's just the way it goes sometimes.

  • May 7, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    hey Dregmobile

    by Walter B

    The Mythology of Die Hard, for me consists of the following- 1. an ordinary guy confronted with an extraordinary circumstances 2. MaClane loves his Family, his Country, and despises anyone who preys on people who cannot defend themselves, and has a severe distaste for Authority. 3.You just can't stop MaClane 4. A story that is riveting from beginning to end. 5. Finally, the weiredness of seeing a set of films whose timeline covers 22 years. Once the term "the Mythology of Die Hard started getting used, everyone got it, almost immediately. We never thought we were shooting a movie, not a rating. i have said it elsewhere on this Thread, but except for the Fuck quotient, this Film is as badass as the First, and way tougher than 2 or 3, and the hardcore heart of the Film's Mythology has not been compromised one bit, regardless of the outrage of those who haven't seen it yet. thanks WB

  • May 7, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    hey utz

    by Walter B

    what other predictions do you have for movies you haven't seen yet? And I could give a fuck about spin. I will let the movie stand on it's own merits. WB

  • May 7, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Evenin' Walter B.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You've mentioned the notion of bringing "Die Hard" into the 21st century. What was significant to Len Wiseman's process that made you believe he was the man for the job? Would you be able to share some insight into his vision for the new film?<P>Thanks and regards,<P>-MNG

  • May 7, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    hey darkman

    by Walter B

    Len W got picked by the Studio because they wanted a fresher set of eyes on the movie, and the story, and the liked his take on how hardcore he was going to make it. It was great working with him, and he busted his ass working on it. Still is busting his ass to get it out by the 4th of July weekend. thanks BW

  • May 7, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Walter B: thoughts on American film

    by Chief Redcock

    Walter B, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you were once quoted as saying something about American versus European films: something like, American films are less likely than European films to have "a message," and that Americans innately rebel against the idea of "message movies" because of their heritage and their dislike of being preached to. I was wondering (1) do you still feel that way? (2) If so, is this something about Americans that you embrace, or something that you are prone to criticize? Do you see your film work primarily in terms of entertainment value, or has there ever been a greater, overarching message that's been important to you? Finally (3) of your films, which are you personally the most proud of and why? Thanks for your time Bruce, and I look forward to the Harry interview/Q and A.

  • May 7, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Walter B.

    by The Dum Guy

    Whatever happend to the pro-war film you were going to do on U.S. soldiers or something like that? I read about it it awhile back.

  • May 7, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    hey Lord Sulkine

    by Walter B

    other than the 5 year old character of Lucy MaClane, who is now 26, there are no cameos from the 3 previous Die Hards. Thanks BW

  • May 7, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Walter B. and Vern

    by patiomensch

    Haha, BW's explanation of the "Die Hard" mythology sounds like something Vern would write. I love it.

  • May 7, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Yeah, and Walter B...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    BringingSexyBack is AICN's wannabe STARFUCKER. But I'm sure you already figured that out.

  • May 7, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    hey krack

    by Walter B

    Nice explanation of how things work in the AINC world. And having my own personal problem with Authority, I completely get it. And that extends far beyond the range of the Movie Industry. I think we are currently in a deep parochial trough in this country that comes along every 20 years or so.(example's of the opposite of this Parochialism would be the roaring 20's, the 60's, and the 80's.) It's almost as if it's gotten to the point where the next thing we'll see will be "Word Rehab"- witness that guy from Grey's Anatomy who merely said he did NOT call someone a fag. Off to SOME kind of Rehab. But I do not for one minute believe anyone is really changing their behaviour, but simply doing whatever they do and say, much more quietly. This to shall pass. I find the alternative points of view expressed here at AICN, which are pretty varied, to be refreshingly honest. Every group has Haters, and to be honest, when I mentioned Haters in an earlier post, I was referring to Haters in general. I just have zero tolerance for hatred of any kind, except the hatred reserved for Rapists, Kidnappers, and Child Molesters. But I see what even your own members call Haters as passionate people who express themselves without an editing mechanism. Too bad you don"t have any sway with the politicians. I would like to see the Presidential candidates in the upcoming election be forced to answer the questions of AICN's membership. Doubtless this post will be seen as more spin, but fuck it- I reject all judgment, and in general keep my own counsel, for good or bad. Which is why I can take credit for deciding to do movies like 12 Monkey's and Pulp Fiction, as well as having to hang my head for deciding to do dogs like Striking Distance and Sunset.... Thanks krack WB

  • May 7, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Good one, BSB.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That's what? Number four from "BSB's Top Ten Favorite Weak-Ass AICN Flame/Bait Responses"?!<P>That's ok, buddy. I know you've fallen off your game these days. But I'm sure you'll pick yourself up with some multi-posts about Shia Labeouf. I mean, that is what you're good for these days, right?<P>HEHE.

  • May 7, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Thanks, WB.

    by dregmobile

    I hope you get to have a more visible podium from which to answer questions and slap the Haters since I doubt many know you're here right now. I was lucky I stumbled back onto this thread. But it's a good way for you to get a feel for this place. <br> <br> Thanks for the mythological breakdown. I think a major component is that McClane can be a major fucking asshole when he wants to be. <br> <br> A couple more questions: <br> <br> 1. If LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD makes enough cash for Fox to want to proceed with a FIFTH DIE HARD, would you be part of it? Would you pass the baton to someone else? Or have you reached a point now where you've had enough of being the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time? <br> <br> 2. Of the 4 DH movies, which was the most fun to work on, and why? <br> <br> Cheers.

  • May 7, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Mr. Walter B Wisill, my name is Umagaa Ombongo...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    and I am Vice-President of a bank in Nigeria and I have a proposition for you that could make you 17.7 BILLION!!!<p> Wait, damn he has gone? I was sure this scam would work... OK, back to the drawing board...

  • May 7, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Hey Walter B.

    by Jack21

    Does John McClane still smoke like a chimney in this one?

  • May 7, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    hey Dregmobile

    by Walter B

    you are welcome. I forgot to mention that MaClane is a lot crankier in this Film than in any of the previous Films. As i am still working on LF orDH, it is hard to say what my response would be to a 5th installment. I said I wouldn"t do another one after the first Film, so all I really learned is to never say never. But right now, I cannot see myself doing another one. The 'wrong place,wrong time' gag has pretty much run it's course. The first DH was the most fun, because it was all very new, and at that time I had no idea it would become a quartet of Films spanning 22 years. The second was my least favorite, and the least fun. Far to self-referentially precious, the story was all over the place, and suffered from severe un-claustrophobic-ness. This last one was the most draining, physically, and mentally. I will have been working on this Film for an entire year by the time it opens, but most definitely the most rewarding from an artistic standpoint. And I have already gone on record as saying it will be as good, if not better than the first Film. thanks bw

  • May 7, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    to Jack and krack

    by Walter B

    Jack- no smoking in this one krack- i will say Linda. she is much better looking, and has a better margarita than I do wb

  • May 8, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    McClane Crankier

    by dregmobile

    Thanks again, WB. That's something I wasn't expecting to see in the trailer for LFODH - McClane repeatedly saying he is going to save his daughter and kill the bad guy - kill them all. That to me sounds like about as far as you can push a character before he just goes nuts and kills everyone around him. So I look forward to that breaking point in the film's third act. <br> <br> I think I was eleven when I saw the first DH, and it left me buzzing. I remember going back home and immediately writing my own terrorist movie where the lead was a teenager. It’s total horseshit now but I had a blast writing it and its bullshit-ridden sequel. Thanks for agreeing to do the DH sequels, they have been a lot of fun over the years - even with the seriousness of the second one. And I love how New York comes alive in the third. <br> <br> Here's two more questions if you have the time: <br> <br> 3. You're a Producer on LFODH - could you explain how that made things different this time around? <br> <br> 4. What stopped TEARS OF THE SUN becoming the fourth DIE HARD movie?

  • May 8, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST


    by Jack21

    Thanks man. (John M. seemed to cut back on the ciggs significantly in DHWA..., So I figured he must have quit by now.) Another PG-13 movie that kicked ass--and also happened to have you--was The Fifth Element. The movie was very unusual, but in a fun way. Can we be expecting a sequel, any time soon (or ever)? I've heard rumors of a sequel for years, but never any solid info.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Walter B.

    by the darkman

    Who is one director you would love to work with someday? I"m interested in your answer on this one, just out of curiosity. I have another. What are your thoughts on Tears of the Sun. I enjoyed it, but I've heard you had some problems on set.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:34 a.m. CST


    by the darkman

    I hope it stays this way! lol

  • May 8, 2007, 3:13 a.m. CST

    It's funny, krack.

    by dregmobile

    I got to say that's the cool thing that Walter B is doing right now. Sly went through Harry who prepared 10 questions for him each day, but this way (or at least at this stage), Walter B just chats to whoever he damn well wants. I can't believe I've already had several questions answered. It's a much more direct way of conversing with the geeks. <br> <br> So who was there for Bruce for Hudson Hawk and Bonfire of the Vanities? I know I was. Or maybe I was too young to know better. At the time I genuinely enjoyed both films, but now ... I don't know if I could go back.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Die Hard With A Vengeance

    by dregmobile

    I remember taking a 6 hour trip to Sydney just to see this film in a good cinema in 1995. I can't remember if it was just before or after I saw the flick that a huge crowd was gathered around Mr. Willis on a podium in George Street where he slung a sledge hammer or something into a wall, officially commencing construction of the Planet Hollywood there (now a Star Bar). For some reason a sheep was brought on stage right after and Bruce gave it a shear, which I thought that was pretty funny. But it was cool to see him in person within moments of seeing the flick. I was glad I made the weekend trip. <br> <br> The other time this happened was when I saw Brent Spiner before walking into Star Trek: Insurrection (also in Sydney). But this was somehow less exciting.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    damn lucky aussie bastard

    by RedEyeDistrict

    nothing cool like that happens to me in dallas. Heh bruno pulling a sheep shearing planet hollywood publicity stunt and all I get is luke wilson.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    hey dregmobile just fucking with you btw

    by RedEyeDistrict

    I love any country where you can get beer in a giant gallon sized mug. G'day!!! cuz its like 4 am here.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Did IQ drop sharply?

    by emp

    Walter B compares to a PG-13 Die Hard. Not the real thing.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    I can get carried away sometimes and you called me out. Valid point. But do you see the response it brought!? <p>Come to think of it, fuck authority, even if its Bruce 20/20 himself. Its Big Big Big money we`re talking here Vern and call me an asshole but I won`t let them get away cheaply if they`re full of shit on this movie.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST

    colematthews, I have 2 words 4 u: FUCK and YOU

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Vern wrote something that in my opinion might be the very best ever article of AICN. <p>And what happened, it died in less than two days. The article about Die Hard PG13 vs R issuue died softly and quickly on this site. Everybody moved to cock sucking in Spiderf@g TB`s which were plenty many very too many.(can follow this grammar outrage that just happened?)That alone says a lot about most of AICN TB`ers.<p> Anyway I ALONE brought back this HOT AS HELL TB back into top ten, and kept it alive for two days, so that eventually some people will start getting it that this one should not be left to die quietly. I was very vocal in my opinions, but far from lauching personal insults to Bruce, his family or whatever of the sort.<p>So what happens. We get supposed call from Bruce to Harry, and new TB which totally tries to circumvent the issue Vern brought up. What happens next, is expected. People see it for the bullshit it is and go nuts. Also immidiatelly we start reading questions of such high importance as Bruce`s opinion on Ashton K shit and basicaly all disgusting and gossip press topics with it. Meanwhile, my ranting and obsessive posting brings Vern back and monster2 and some others and with my continuos posting we keep this much more important TB very much alive. <p>All of a sudden WALTER B shows up and TB comes to life and is still going strong. All this time everybody manages to actually keep the TB extremely positive and well manered. Except maybe 9banned0.5furious(debate still not settled). We have something quite unique and great here if Walter B is indeed who he MaFuckinClains to be.<p>What kind of talkbacker backclash you are refering to I completely don`t give a shit, since I don`t care what people think of me if to them Spiderman is more important as Die Hard R issue. Unless I took up modding this TB it would be long gone. I haven`t seen you fighting by my side for the issue at hand so you are believed nothing as to what side you belong so please refer to the Subject line for a nice quote from Die Harder.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:12 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    this TB is now officialy the best TB ever if only you would be so kind and answer these two questions first, before we continue and adrees some things you answered to me up there.<p>1. What is the name of hotel that you stayed in for the Cannes 50th Anyversary Film Festival? (You know, the one in France)2. If you looked out to the sea from Palais de Festival, what could you see, that was never there before or after?<p>If you answer correctly it will go a long way towards trusting you with your answers. Also it will get you much deserved respectfull behavior from me.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Last Boy Scout

    by 9banned0.5furious

    must be Bruce`s second best movie for me. I was one of the few in the almost empty cinema when that movie came out. General audience sucks. I mean, Die Hard is awesome, but that movie came from a novel and many excelent scriptwriters. But Shane Black wrote probably the best kick ass original action piece ever. Hail Shane, and hail Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. And hail Joel Silver for using his pull to get that movie made.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    I go swim a bit now

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and hopefully will have some interesting posts to come back too.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    I won`t even comment

    by 9banned0.5furious

    how low we`ve fallen on the top ten list.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Ok, i will

    by 9banned0.5furious

    because it helps the cause.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Extremely dissatisfyed

    by 9banned0.5furious

    as to what position we`re holding in the top ten.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Bloody TV programs

    by 9banned0.5furious

    rulling a MOVIE site!?

  • May 8, 2007, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Blasphemy, but wait

    by 9banned0.5furious

    why does this happen?

  • May 8, 2007, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Is it because of

    by 9banned0.5furious

    lack of quality stuff in cinemas?

  • May 8, 2007, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Or has TV

    by 9banned0.5furious

    improved so much?

  • May 8, 2007, 5:35 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    a bit of both.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:37 a.m. CST

    It is trully amasing

    by 9banned0.5furious

    to see what original Die Hard thought of TV. It was still Hollywood vs TV era.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Now it all the same

    by 9banned0.5furious

    corporation so they work hand in hand.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Is that bad?

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Who knows, but we get some great TV shows.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Rome and BG

    by 9banned0.5furious

    are totaly the best TV for me. 24 is good too.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Heros are a PC sellout

    by 9banned0.5furious

    to a great concept. At least for me.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Also why has

    by 9banned0.5furious

    noone called out bullshit when there is one thing that surely can`t be taken out of Die Hard mythology.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Die Hard without Cristmas!?

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Are we saying that that litle thing is not one of major elements of the original Die Hard?

  • May 8, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    I liked 3rd one a lot

    by 9banned0.5furious

    but felt it was lacking mostly for two things. No Cristmas and no Bonnie.

  • May 8, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST

    I am completely

    by 9banned0.5furious

    on board with Lucy being in this 4th outing. I mean: "McClane residence, Lucy McClane speaking." That is fucking cute right there. And to grow up into the hotness we`re getting here was only to be expected.

  • May 8, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    I think there was missunderstanding re: Mel

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I meant Mel Gibson as the director to go to for a kick ass R action, not as a replacement or buddy element to Bruce. The only option of Mel onscreen would be as a major Bad Guy and leading up to some kick ass showdown at the end.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    And Mace, you`re right with Raiders

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I din`t mean to do start a fight or anything. Just I think its different action intensity with Die Hard, so was coming from that angle.

  • May 8, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    now GOTTA EAT

    by 9banned0.5furious

    than come back in hope dubbing boy has some answers ready.

  • May 8, 2007, 9 a.m. CST


    by Mdot1985

    Ask Walter B that question you asked earlier. Cause i have a strange feeling someone is fucking with us

  • May 8, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by Vern

    I do appreciate you resuscitating the talkback, lovingly nursing it back to health, giving it a back rub, etc. I was sad to see this one going, and then it stayed. Thanks bud. <p> Also, I didn't mean to call you an asshole. I just wanted to remind you NOT TO BE an asshole, in case it really is him. As for his authenticity, I don't know, if it's a faker he's doing a really good job of keeping a straight face, not making a joke out of it. I did notice one thing he said about the movie that contradicted something I'd read about it, but the magazine article I read could've got it wrong, who knows. I emailed Harry to ask if he could confirm Walter, but have not heard back yet. (black box doesn't give you that much extra pull I guess.)

  • May 8, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Mdot1985,You mean the one about that 10 year old

    by 9banned0.5furious

    detail you can`t Google or find on Wiki?

  • May 8, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    dead squirrel

    by Vern

    As for LAST BOY SCOUT, I think it's a flawed movie but I gotta appreciate any movie that opens with its hero passed out in a car waking up because some kids put a dead squirrel on his head. Now THAT'S an entrance we can all relate to. Also, lots of good lines in that one.<p> And about that show HEROES. I only watched one episode so who knows, maybe it is not as stupid as it used to be. But have you noticed it started out kind of the same idea as UNBREAKABLE, the twist being that it is not as dramatic or entertaining?

  • May 8, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    Not to start any man love here, but it was a pleasure doing it and the least I could do after reading your great piece. Also I didn`t take your remark in anyway bad spirit.<p>I have ZERO trust in Harry, what he says about Walter or Die Hard. I mean have you seen his explanatory post in the other TB? WTF!?<p>You look up, where I posted an almost foolproof test double question to Walter to confirm his identity, concerning his bedroom location and certain visual impressions of that Festival 10 years ago. You see I was there and so was Bruce and so were some other people, so if his memory won`t match I will call bullshit and prove it too.

  • May 8, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    SPOT ON Heroes

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I watched promos, got excited, then first episode and immediately felt sick and stopped watching. Its like X-files meets Desperate Housewives. And I don`t need Desperate Housewives element, like, at all.<p>I think you missed my question to you concerning-- Ford Fairlane:R`n`R detective. I for one like it and think its one of better R action commedies and smart one at that. I don`t watch it as a guilty plesure. I mean: "What the fuck is wrong with you! Mano a mano. What the fuck that even means!?" Indulge me, please.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Yippee-Kayee Mother BOOM!

    by utz_world

    My head's still dizzy from all the SPINNING. You may have won all the rest of these fanboys to your side, but I'm holding my ground (along with Brother 9). PG-13 Die Hard = Flames on Optimus = PG-13 Alien vs. Predator = Nipples on Batsuit = All that damn crying in Spidey 3.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    utz, its great to see you

    by 9banned0.5furious

    care and not easily won over, but please don`t compare Die Hard to Toy-line and comic book films or Disney`s rides(i know I added last one myself). Just... don`t. Those are brand names movies and only contibute if are not right out responsible for everything that is wrong with cinema today.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Alien V Predator was an atrocity

    by Lost Prophet

    and should never have been PG13. <p>underworld was also bad. I don't hold out much hope for this, as it seems too long between films, and in the meantime some genius decided to limit the swearing. <p>however, swearing is not the be all and end all of the film, and I know lots of people that are seeing it because it's DIE HARD so.... <p>i'm a bit on the fence with this one, but I do hope that is who it is meant to be.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Don't Get Me Wrong, Bruno (Walter)

    by utz_world

    I like you dude. I love your movies. I actually paid money to sit through 4 different showings of "The Last Boy Scout". But, come on, sir. There is nothing...Nothing...NOTHING hard at all about a PG-13 action movie! All we'll get is 2 "fucks", lots of stuff blowing up, lots of machine guns firing at shattered windows and car doors. People who actually get shot will have those patented PG-13 bloodless bullet holes or we'll just see them fall to the ground with no visual impact (i.e. Mission:Impossible 2). It just ain't right, dude. 9: I wasn't trying to make brand name comparisons. I used those examples as a feeble attempt to illustrate to Bruce that, at the end of the day, some things just ain't right. But surely our words will fall on deaf ears. I blame Fox. They must have a mind control device on folks or something. Why else would would people automatically grant a PG-13 Die Hard a pass? After all, this is the same studio resposible for a PG-13 combination of 2 hard-R action franchises, X-Men For Dummies (b.k.a. X-Men: The Last Stand), and Fantastic Four. I'm telling ya, Bart Simpson's laugh is probably emmitting some sort of fucked up signal in our brainwaves. Thank God I don't watch "The Simpsons"! LOL!

  • May 8, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I don't think F4 is a hard R action franchise

    by Lost Prophet

    Alien V Predator should have been, Dh should have been, but not that one. <p>Last Boy Scout is great- just brilliant. Loved it.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet...

    by utz_world

    The "Hard R action franchise" comment is a direct reference to AVP. The X-Men & FF references are just supporting evidence that Fox, to paraphrase another one of their movies, really needs to get their groove back.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith

    by apocalyps3

    I'm more concerned with Kevin Smith being in the movie than it being rated PG-13. That untalented hack should be banned from all cinema. I can do without the R rating. People are too obsessed now-a-days with seeing severed limbs, exploding heads, and being cussed at beyond sanity. I'm hoping the movie will be great, but Kevin Smith's appearance in the trailer makes me very worried. The humor level seems too cheesy.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    It is complete cop out if it is

    by 9banned0.5furious

    PG 13 and there is no way around it no matter how they spin it. utz: Valid point. Wasn`t trying to bash you. Yes, general audience are idiots. Remember feeling alone when watching Last Boy Scout in cinema? <p>I must dissagre on X3. First, I never cared for comics so have no problem with its mythology. To me X3 is the only one that is actualy exciting has pace and has good action and no ballet shit. I think Singer sucks as action director. He should do drama. I think that The Usual Suspects is good inspite of him, not because of.

  • May 8, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    To me

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Kevin Smith represents a problem in a way he seems funnyer than John. That is an issue much more dangerous to Die Hard.<p>Its nice you can do without R rating, but than either Die Hard is clearly not your type of action movie or you don`t fully realise the debilitating consequences that PG13 will do to it.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    And who... are you?

    by apocalyps3

    Its nice you can't do without an R rating, but nobody cares about your opinion any more than you care about mine. The fact that there is going to be a Die Hard 4 movie at all should tell you more about the quality of the movie than the PG-13 rating. Its all about the benjamins.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    krack - Unbreakable sequal

    by zengamer

    I thought it would be cool if he was contacted by others who were similar, who had a "thing" they could do, but made realistic. It wouldn't have to be a pure action movie, they could just all be as scared as he about their "powers", and there's a villain at the end. Then for a third movie, he dies at the end protecting his family, some years after they create the Justice League, er, superhero group.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Fair enough

    by 9banned0.5furious

    but you also adjusted your song. So its cheating. <p>I know its about benjamins, thats why Kevin is in the movie. <p>DH4 must seriously suck. Somebody said, hey lets bring Smith in to try and control geeks and colleges and such. Lets try and prevent the internet hell that will be unleashed upon us once the full truth about the actuall film is known.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    It'll match

    by apocalyps3

    It'll match the quality of the last 2 Die Hards, but no DH sequel will ever match our opinion of the first.

  • May 8, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    I don`t want the issue

    by 9banned0.5furious

    of PG 13 overgrown. No R, automatically means less than 2 and 3, regardless their faults. <p>Hey, I am not saying it has to match an opinion. How stupid would that be? It HAS to not cop out of its essence and TRY to bee as good movie as possible. Clearly there is indication that is not whats comming our way. But, actually Walter B thinks in his opinion DH4 is better than the first.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Anyone noticed

    by 9banned0.5furious

    that the other TB, you know the one where "Bruce" called Harry fell of the list. Even with all those potential pressing questions.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    He spells it MaClane. Now, if this was Bruce Willis people, give him the benefit that he'd know how to spell his biggest character's name. Capice?

  • May 8, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Ahh, finally you

    by 9banned0.5furious

    grace us with you presence here. Indeed a good point. But not 100%. I think it may be difficult to say MFuckingCLane. If that is the insider joke name they are calling him. Capische? Anyway him avoiding the place to answer my identity proof question must prove you right. Shame. It looked like we had a very special TB going there for a moment.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    What fucker is taking the

    by 9banned0.5furious

    post count down!? The more we post now the more number goes down. Who dis smart fucker?

  • May 8, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Seriously, this guy is not Bruce Willis, he is John Titor the time traveler.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    It wouldn`t be

    by 9banned0.5furious

    connetced to that hypemaking editing room article. That wouldn`t be fair. Pirates are well off and need not to add extra to Die Hard problems.

  • May 8, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Hey man,

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I was happy enough with your stance on Die Hard, but now this...<p>Obviously one of the banned repligin` group. Irish writer lost in France?

  • May 8, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Didn`t we agree not

    by 9banned0.5furious

    to have personally insulting TB here? Its good to know you know, but man, lets weed him out PG13 style. Its whats his game is this days.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    good one. But, me not drunk at all. Maybe later.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    McClane doesn't smoke?

    by BGDAWES

    That's kind of lame, I always thought it added to the whole 'regular guy/non PC' facet of the character. I also loved how he progressed to develop a drinking problem. Since this McClane quit smoking and is totally bald did he become straight-edge?

  • May 8, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    He also stopped cursing in

    by 9banned0.5furious

    life-threatening situations. Who paid for that counseling? With what money? Did he get half from Miss Gennaro after she made it big and they divorced forewer? Or did he start taking dirty money to support gambling debts? Or who really is this person and did he change so much with mindcontrol?

  • May 8, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I quit, it really is easy

    by 9banned0.5furious

    a month short of 3 years now. Bravo BSB.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    It's not easy to quit if you don't want to.

    by BGDAWES

    And because I have to ask; what is the easy way to quit BSB? I'm imagining a response along the lines of, 'Stick the filter up your ass before you light up; then it doesn't seem as appealing to place in your mouth' for some reason.

  • May 8, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    So 9...

    by utz_world bad do you think Walt's gonna cuss us out tonight?

  • May 8, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I was sitting on my motorbyke in Vietnam mountains

    by 9banned0.5furious

    watching some georgeous green hills and decided I don`t want to die before I am 40. I was smoking 3 packs a day for last 4 years. I went and bought the cheapest cigarrets I could find. Fucking awfull. Lighted 3, 4 during the day and put them out after few intakes. Next morning I woke up and never lighted up again.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    utz, unless he can answer

    by 9banned0.5furious

    my questions about Cannes50th then fuck Walter B. If he can... I don`t know, I`ll grill him for a few answers he gave me up there. Like especially you know, "Yes there is an interesting flip on the Yippe Ki Yay Motherfucker part of DH4 that I think will be suprising( to a certain degree) but is more than satisfying to me and hopefully to the people who are fans of the Mythology of Die Hard." That one will be put to some test. And other stuff where he actually shot himself in the foot I think, but we`ll wait untill he answers first.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    utz, i think we`re

    by 9banned0.5furious

    dealing with plants in the other TB. They are just a bit too skilled.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    But they helped

    by 9banned0.5furious

    bring it back to top ten again. Damn that Pirate TB is comming up. Muppet nonloving Moriarti, why did you delay the article and release it now and are hurting Die Hard R drama?

  • May 8, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Thanks BSB

    by BGDAWES

    I actually might try that, since the gum is like $50 bucks a box and I imagine I'd probably go through a bunch of boxes before I managed to stop.

  • May 8, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    ARRRRRR for rating

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and to those editing room sessions at Disney!

  • May 8, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I have been acused

    by 9banned0.5furious

    in the other TB of being an intelectual and a member of a Camus reading uptight book club for defending Die Hard R status. No matter what this movie is now and whatever shit turns out to be, I will allways have this. This will be mine Live Free or Die Hard memory forewer. Nothing in the upcomming film can raise WOW above this. This is just, just, too beautifull.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    I asked this before!!??

    by 9banned0.5furious

    What fucker is lowering the number count of posts!?? Why is this ok to you!? Ahh!?

  • May 8, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    I`ll retire a bit now

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and hope for the best for next few hours.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    and HAVE A BEER

    by 9banned0.5furious

    but not

  • May 8, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious


  • May 8, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    because no

    by 9banned0.5furious

    wife, so

  • May 8, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    can`t cheat on her

    by 9banned0.5furious

    while/before having a beer.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious


  • May 8, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    # of Posts

    by utz_world

    They're tracking over the last 24 hours only. Seriously, my friend, I think we have made valid points. Let's wait for Walt to curse us out some more tomorrow. In the meantime, go back to your regularly scheduled life.

  • May 8, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    A couple of questions for Walter B

    by Lord_Sulkine

    Just a few questions which have been bugging me.. 1. Has the DH 4 music score been totally re-invented for the 21st century? Or has Beltrami used parts of Kamen's original work? 2. Did you feel (after seeing a rough cut) Timothy Olyphant was a good Die Hard villain?

  • May 8, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Bruce Willis, really?

    by NepomukProebstl

    I have serious doubts. I really would like to believe it, because it would be so great having a star like him discussing via the Net with other people. I mean it's like talking to you, just without actually seeing you. Would be great. Now let's pretend you are really Bruce Willis, who plays John McClane in the four Die Hards. Now here's the question I wanted to ask. That Vanity Fair article made it look like you weren't satisfied with the decision to make it PG-13. It sounded like it was shot like all the other movies, which got an R-Rating, and that suddenly 20th Fox decided to cut violence and languge to get a PG-13 rating. But then again, you're now sounding like it never was meant to be any other way. Like you deliberately didn't use swear words like Fuck or didn't rely on the bloody effects of the first ones. While the first three movies were full of that. So what is this now? What is true? Did Vanity Fair misunderstood you and misquoted you, or did you say something you weren't allowed to (namely negative things like criticism about the movie or the studios decisions?)? It sounds like you are doing damage control right now. That you are still not liking the way they cut the movie down, but you didn't have a choice but to promote it anyway. I seriously can't imagine how a PG-13 movie could contain the same amount of realistic violence and excitement as the first three R-rated movies. Die Hard movies were always for adults. The story was for adults, the ironic twists were for adults, the humor was for adults, the language was for adults, the brutality was for adults, the level of excitement was for adults. You said it yourself on this board: this summer is flooded with CG/Fantasy. But that's just for the kids. I really looked forward to Die Hard 4, because I thought it would be THE movie for adults again. No Fantasy, no comics, no CG fest, no political correctness, just real stunts, and real swearing, real violence, and an easy guy to like and a hard man to kill. McClane never was a PG-13 character. He shoots first, he swears, he is brutal. But it sounds like I can't be satisfied this time. In a PG-13 movie, you can't swear like you did in the previous three movies, and you and your villains can't be as violent as you were, as you have to keep it PG-13 (instead of "Keep it Die Hard"). You even can't say your famous catchphrase, because the MPAA would rate it an R immediately. So I guess the "surprising twist" you wrote about is that you can't say motherfucker because you are interupted by an explosion, or by McClanes death, or something else. You wrote McClane would be crankier than before, and you already said that on the Access Hollywood segment I've seen. But I can't see how he could realistically be more pissed than in the other three movies without swearing more and harder than ever. It IS disappointing. I myself wanted this one to live up to the promise of the first one, which I always thought was the only really good one. Kind regards, NP

  • May 8, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Henchman Blog -- PG 13

    by Buzz Maverik

    Ha! Further proof that Amerika is weak! "Ooo, we cannot see the violence! Ooo, we cannot say the fucking! Ooo, Bald One cannot say Aye-Yi-Yi-Fuckingmother!" Actually, I am being glad about that. Last time Bald One said that, the top of my head was chopped off in explosions.

  • May 8, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    hey 9

    by Walter B

    I stayed at the DuCap, where I always stay. If you are talking about last year being the 50th anniversary. All I know is I got soaked by a wave that hit me and J.Katzenberg. I cannot tell you what was to be seen from the Palais Royale, as I was looking out at the crowd from up on the stairs with Avril Levigne. That is my memory of it. bw

  • May 8, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Walter B

    by dregmobile

    Are you still taking questions? If so, let me know, I've only got about 50 of them ... heheh.

  • May 8, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    hey Nepomuk

    by Walter B

    What I said in the VF article, and what actually got printed were 2 different things. I said that INITIALLY, along with len and a few others working on the film heard about the rating, I was a little bummed, but once we got shooting, I never thought about it again. We shot a hard-ass movie, not a rating. And I had not seen the movie when I did the VF interview. Writers often need to present a "thesis" to their articles, and Peter Biskin chose the rating as his. And while you can't imagine how a PG-13 movie can be a rough as an R, you will just have to wait and see this movie. If you need swearing to make you happy at the movies, there are plenty of those out there. But if you want a new action movie that will rock you, go see LF or DH. Thanks bw

  • May 8, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    hey 9

    by Walter B

    the 50th was 10 yeas ago, I was ther for Armageddon, or a 20 minute bullshit clip of it. I didn't get to the Palais Royale for that trip. tricky questions baffle me. And what is the fucking deal with the critique of how I spell MaClane? (this is not directed at you 9) Who has time to proofread? bw

  • May 8, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Interesting points

    by dregmobile

    I guess if THE BOURNE SUPREMACY can kick my ass, while still being PG-13, I guess I should expect the same from LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD. Just no more picking up divided bodies and heads expoding. I can live with that. *prepares for onslaught of R-lovers*

  • May 8, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by dregmobile

    Walter, I know you're here to talk DIE HARD, but I'm curious - can you drop some details on why your experience on ARMAGEDDON is not one you wish to live through again? Were you simply unhappy with the finished product or was it complete and utter hell making the movie? Or both?

  • May 8, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Famous catchphrase

    by Walter B

    will most definitely be in DH4

  • May 8, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    hey Lord S

    by Walter B

    I have only heard about 2 minutes of Marco's score, so I cannot tell you if the score has been brought into the 21st Century. I'll let you know. They are still scoring right now. thanks bw

  • May 8, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    hey 9

    by Walter B

    No, I did not accidentally shoot myself in the foot. I was accidentally kicked in the head by Maggie Q"s stunt girl. thanks bw

  • May 8, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    hey utz

    by Walter B

    If you think I am here to win Fanboy approval, you are incorrect. I was told this was a Site where you guys talk about movies. Am I the first actor to come in here and talk with you guys? bw

  • May 8, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    hey 9

    by Walter B

    As your buildup question. Die Hard needed a lot of buildup, as it was the first movie. When you see a sequel, you are not seeing a new movie, but rather another episode of a movie you have already seen. There hasn't been a need to introduce MaClane to the audience, because the audience knows him. The buildup in DH4 has more to do with the Digital Threat to the Country thanks bw

  • May 8, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    hey BSB

    by Walter B

    I told R Rodriguez I would work with him anytime, anywhere. We shall see. thanks bw

  • May 8, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST


    by Mdot1985

    You claim the action and intensity are still there. But is the character of John McClane still the same?. I find it hard to believe without the wisecracks and the F bombs. Youve built the character so well, and it seems almost unreal that the John McClane character is being dropped to a PG13 rating. Also the violence is not going to be on par with the last 3. As much as you probably will say it will be, i can not see that happening in a PG13 movie. Please talk FOX into rating this R, its really disappointing for the hardcore fans.

  • May 8, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    hey Mdot

    by Walter B

    Don't ever think that because the movie has a PG -13 mandate that my character has gone PG13. No fuckin way. Just as rough, just as un-PC, still funny, maybe less hair, but fuck, hair, hair does not make you a man, being a man makes you a man. The Train has sailed on the rating question, Mdot. But the balls of the movie remain intact. you'll see. A little faith goes a long way. thanks, bw

  • May 8, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    More Questions:

    by dregmobile

    Dear Walter B, <br> <br> You're a Producer on LFODH - could you explain how that made things different this time around? Did this mean you had/have total creative control? <br> <br> Also, I'm curious what it was that stopped TEARS OF THE SUN becoming the fourth DIE HARD movie back in the day?

  • May 8, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Maybe a Dumb Question

    by And Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu

    Does Sam Jackson get a cameo in LFoDH?

  • May 8, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Walter B.: Die Hard Mythology

    by patiomensch

    Is there any other movie you've been a part of for which you've created a mythology? Does Die Hard's mythology make the series/or just the first one your most personal films/film? Vern up top has a theory called The Badass Auteur Theory, where a badass actor's personal philosophy comes through in all of his films. Would you say that's been true for the majority of your films?

  • May 8, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Hey Bruno...

    by RedEyeDistrict

    Man I gotta say thank you. I started getting this male pattern baldness shit when I was a teenager and it freaked me out to no end. About that time I noticed that my main man on the big screen (thats you btw) had that steadily receding hairline thing going on too and it didn't fuck with his stride so I said Fuck it!! and have been snagging my fair share of pelt ever since. As far as questions go I only have one and its not about the movie so answer if you want. I remember reading an interview where you had a sure fire opening line for the ladies. Went something like "So what are you doing for sex tonight?" Question is, you being who we all pretty much think you are by now, doesn't a question like that just set you up for a harassment suit if some chick was so inclined? Oh yeah also, what the hell happened to Damon Wayans? You ever watch My Wife and Kids? I mean good LORD!

  • May 8, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Also, Walter B.

    by patiomensch

    Does that "Just the fax, ma'am" line from DH2 make you cringe?

  • May 8, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    So Bruno...

    by utz_world

    I summed things up earlier today about your new Die ____ movie: "All we'll get is 2 "fucks", lots of stuff blowing up, lots of machine guns firing at shattered windows and car doors. People who actually get shot will have those patented PG-13 bloodless bullet holes or we'll just see them fall to the ground with no visual impact (i.e. Mission:Impossible 2)." Does that pretty much sum it up? Or am I missing something?

  • May 8, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    I would like to know

    by Vern

    1. Have you ever watched some of the better Die Hard ripoffs like Under Siege, Speed or Sudden Death? If so did you feel like somebody was walking on your grave? Or were you able to enjoy them?<p> 2. Have you ever watched John Woo's Hard Boiled? Personally I think it's the only movie to ever give Die Hard a run for the money in the blowing-people-through-the-back-of-theaters department.<p> 3. I always thought it was weird that John McClane thinks to say "Yippee ky yay motherfucker" every time he is in one of these situations. But then it occurred to me, maybe that is just a phrase he says all the time, like when his team wins he says it, when he throws a piece of paper and it lands in the waste basket he says it, when he gets a package in the mail he says it. Am I right, or does he only say it when killing hostage-takers?<p> 4. Have you considered using your authority as an officer in the Order of Arts and Letters to overturn the PG-13 rating?<p> 5. I just saw The Hip Hop Project, which was real good and I'll be reviewing it soon. Since it's not explained in the movie, how the hell did you get involved in that?

  • May 9, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Hey Vern I got a Question for you

    by Mdot1985

    You say that the script has been leaked to you, I think you should scan through it and tell everyone if this film was REALLY filmed for an R rating. Cause i have a feeling it might not of been filmed for an R rating. And can you please ask harry to confirm that Walter B is willis.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    I'm wondering ...

    by dregmobile

    whether Timothy Olyphant's character will be motivated by a hatred for the current US Presidency and if this is something of an anti-Bush film? If you read Walter B's comments above about the state the country is in at the moment, this could well be the case. OR it could always turn out that the villain was doing all that shit so he could rob a bunch of banks without any hassle. So long as he dies hard, I'll be happy.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    hey krack

    by Walter B

    thanks for the heads up. I had a website up for a couple of years just because I was sick of talking to reporters about my work and wanted to talk to the people who actually went to the movies. It grew to proportions that required more daily care than I could put in, so I am taking a break from it, but we never really shut anyone out who had differing points of view, or didn't like my movies. I would just tell them that attendance to any movie is never, compulsory, and that they are entitled to their opinions. There are movies I go to that I rag on, and there are movies that I give glowing reviews to. thanks, bw

  • May 9, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Movies that Bruce Willis rags on:

    by dregmobile

    Can we hear some more about ARMAGEDDON?

  • May 9, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST

    hey Dregmobile

    by Walter B

    Whenever I have chosen to produce one of my own films it has been a lot more responsibility. On DH4, it was the most ever. And while conventional wisdom would make you think that I or any other producer would have total creative control, that was not the case. There are few people with total creative control, generally Producer/Directors, Big name directors, Wooody Allen, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, etc. But the real control of any film generally lies in the hands of the financiers. There is a trade off, of course. Plus, I never want the Director to feel like I am usurping His control. But I produced DH4 because I felt I was "the Keeper of the Keys" of the Franchise. I wanted to make sure it didn't get too far away from what is now being called the Mythology of Die Hard. I also work a lot on the writing, and character development. As an example, the character of Lucy McClane was originally meant to be in this picture, but it turned out to be a good idea. And while it was my idea, I fought against it briefly. But Mary Elizabeth Winstead made a great contribution to the cast. Her character is a lot like her Dad. Die Hard in the Jungle only lived as an idea briefly, but when we were shooting the movie which would become Tears of the Sun, Joe Roth bought the name from Fox. The lesson of Tears was never start a film without a finished script. Thanks, bw

  • May 9, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    hey And Nick Cage...

    by Walter B

    no, there was not a big enough part anywhere for Sam J, although his addition to DH3 saved it. He was great in that role. thanks, bw

  • May 9, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Thanks, WB.

    by dregmobile

    Is there a chance we could get both a PG-13 and R cut of LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD on DVD?

  • May 9, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST

    hey Vern

    by Walter B

    let's see if I can remember all these. I have seen a few of the knock-offs. Being a movie fan, I didn't want to judge just because I chose not to make Die Hard in a Deli- which you must see, btw- but no, there was no grave-rollin' 2.John Woo rocks. Especially with Hard-Boiled. That movie is on my heavy-rotation list. And Chow Yun Fat is the Boss of ass-whoopin'. 3.Yippe Ki Yay has only become part of the Mythology over time. At the time I first said it, it was just a cool thing to say to Alan Rickman when he was raggin on me about 'Mr. Cowboy'. I am amazed still that such a simple line would become part of the World's language. But I say it now under many circumstances, mainly when I am trying to be extra-indecipher-able. 4. If it were in my Power, I, along with almost everyone in Hollywood would set the MPAA's antiquated ratings system. I say let the parents decide. If you remember, Jaws was rated PG. I believe there was some blood in that movie, not to mention Robert Shaw getting chomped and eaten by the shark. I believe it'll come around to a less antiquated system, but who knows when. Jack Valenti ran that sytem into the ground. I donated a first class recording studio to those kids from the Hip-Hop project, and when they decided to do the documentary, I got that credit. thanks Vern. bw

  • May 9, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    hey patiomensch

    by Walter B

    First, I can seldom sit thru DH2 long enough to get to that line, but it seemed cute enough at the time. But yes, now, cringe-able. The only reason the term Mythology of Die Hard came about was because of the longetivity of the Series. Most films that have more than 3 sequels tend to run out of gas around the 3rd installment, or go in a completely different direction. Witness Lethal 4. Harry Potter would be an exception, I suppose. But It's why I wanted to produce this one- to keep it from getting to far away from the intent of the first movie. And I always wanted to try to top the first movie. We shall see, but I am proud of this one, and I seldom talk about my real feelings about my films unless it is with my close friends. thanks, bw

  • May 9, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    hey RedeyeDistrict

    by Walter B

    it's like I said earlier. If anyone thinks what makes you more or less a man is having a lot of hair, they are a lot mixed up. I am sure some women will tell you that they do not prefer the cropped style, that is just a matter of taste. And you seem to have discovered that yourself. What makes you a man is doing the right thing when you can, being a good Dad, helping your friends and family when they need it, and having integrity. A sense of humor doesn't hurt, but it not mandatory. as for my line, I never talk about it without letting people know that the caveat to the line is knowing when to say "ahh, I was just kiddin'" Very important... thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Ben Affleck

    by dregmobile

    Walter B, <br> <br> Is it true that Ben Affleck was once seriously considered for a co-lead role with you in the fourth Die Hard?

  • May 9, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST

    hey utz

    by Walter B

    2 fucks is all the MPAA allows currently. Blood is a little more flexible. I get pretty bloody in this one, as always, and when you do see the guys I fuck up, you'll see blood there too. But we have some never-seen deaths in this one that rival the DH Mythology. We have always prided ourselves on our Deaths.... thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 1:25 a.m. CST

    hey Dregmobile

    by Walter B

    No Tim's character has some wierd motivations. None are current administration issues. I would be giving too much away if I shared those, so I will leave it at that. thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    This is pretty sweet.

    by patiomensch

    BW: We've seen the other icons of '80s action—the ones who by coincidence John McClane refers to in Die Hard—go into a sort of decline. How, do you think, have you managed to remain relevant all these years? IMO, it's your tendency to pick good projects, whether it's Sin City or Hostage or Grindhouse or, going way back, Pulp Fiction. How do you stay on top of this? Do you fear you'll get lazy or complacent and fall into a similar decline? Also, what was it like guesting on Friends?

  • May 9, 2007, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Walter B - much appreciated.

    by dregmobile

    And thanks also to Sly for recommending this place to you. I have to say it is great to have this kind of interaction with these Q and A's. <br> <br> Off topic Walter B, but how did you and Sly become good friends? Had you two ever planned on working together?

  • May 9, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    hey krack

    by Walter B

    Well, first you'd have to consider my interest. Doing Ghostbusters may not be the best example. But I am fortunate to still be asked back after 22 years, and I can get a new film going fairly easily if I choose to. And evern though a lot of my recent films haven't performed well at the domestic box-office, the over-seas sales and DVD generally have made most of these films profitable. Would Cybill have to be in the Moonlighting idea? kidding, but not really. I feel preety consticted on TV, and you just get way more time and $$ to actually tell a story in Features. Although TV has come into it's own in the last couple of years. Also, here are my top 5 or 6 movies, which I generally watch 3 to 5 times a year. Dr. Strangelove, Raging Bull, The first 2 Godfathers, Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Spartacus, Bridge on the River Kwai, Bullitt, the Great Escape, On the Waterfront, Resevoir Dogs, Patton, I really dug 300, the first Alien, Last Picture Show.... that's more than 5 or 6... thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    I gotta

    by Walter B

    go. But nice chatting, (sort of) with you guys. thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    One more thing

    by Walter B

    I highly reccommend watching Lawrence of Arabia, followed by Venus. See an actor at the beginning of his career being genius, and at the end of his career being genius. good nite bw

  • May 9, 2007, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Walter b.

    by the darkman

    I know your getting a lot of questions, but How did you like working with Richard Donner? I was just curious, he's an old pro, and he's made some terrific movies over the last thirty years. Another I have is: How did you end up in Planet Terror?

  • May 9, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST


    by the darkman

    It's been really fun.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Almost midnight in LA ...

    by dregmobile

    Even McClane needs his sleep! Thanks for hanging out, WB.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST

    I believe it was Darth Vader who said

    by Vern

    "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"<p> (part 3, near the end.)<p> I still haven't heard from Harry on a positive ID for Walter B, but Moriarty says it's not Bruce and that Harry would give him a black box if it was. He didn't give me any more explanation than that, but I guess "Bruce Willis dissing Michael Bay in my talkback" would be near the top of my personal "too good to be true" list, so he must be right.<p> Which brings me to my next question for Walter B: what kind of a sick sonofabitch would put us through this? First 9-11, then PG-13 Die Hard, and now this. Why won't you let America heal?<p> Also, what was it like working with Tarantino, and did you know Pulp Fiction was gonna be such a keeper. thanks Walter.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:06 a.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with Bruce Willis.

    by dregmobile

    He said he and Walter B are one. Just like Kevin Costner and William Hurt in Mr. Brooks. <br> <br> He also told me to fuck off so he could get some sleep. His voice was kinda hoarse, sounded like he was maybe doing a lot of screaming in ADR. Or at AICN.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST


    by patiomensch

    It's funny. I could hear Bruce Willis' voice, the one I know from such movies as Die Hard and Die Hard 2, coming through in Walter B.'s writing style. So Walter B., if you truly are a fake, and I don't want to believe you are, you're a good mimic.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST


    by dregmobile

    When I read what he wrote to Smalter: "Tell me what ISN'T bullshit in your World", I thought to myself, yeah, that sounds like the Bruce. Heheh.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    You stayed away twice to come only after you are sure I am gone to give sooo many answers a bit undirectly to me. Yes, I think you could chip in yesterday but stayed away on purpose. But there is much much more inmportant issue here.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:16 a.m. CST

    You are a complete douchebag and a lyar

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Katzemberg info you got from watching you tube. DuCap was fine indeed and quite easy since is you constant residence there.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:17 a.m. CST

    I meant, a complete douchebag and a liar

    by 9banned0.5furious

    sory for the typo.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:18 a.m. CST

    You first thought Cannes50th was last year

    by 9banned0.5furious

    you fucko?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Then googled some more

    by 9banned0.5furious

    and came up with Armageddon?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST


    by dregmobile

    Bruce Willis answers four of your questions and scores from you a capitalised 'Fuck You'. You DO know Willis is good friends with Michael Clarke Duncan, right?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    ... Walter B. is not Bruce Willis. Bruce and Harry are going to talk soon. Harry's got a little trip to take first, but when he's back, we'll get the Bruce Willis conversation started here on the site. Rest assured that if Bruce Willis wanted to join the Talkbacks, we'd authenticate him and give him a black box so you could be sure who you were talking to. I'm sorry if any of you feel duped. I didn't realize this was going on. So... that in mind... the Q&A with the real Bruce will still be happening... soon...

  • May 9, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Kudos for playing it best as possible, liar

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I hope nobody believed you or started to think this movie is not a sellout.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Remember a film called, Le Cinquième élément?

    by 9banned0.5furious


  • May 9, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Cannes50th saw the launch

    by 9banned0.5furious

    of this mega expensive french-usa mega Bruce being missused extravaganza.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    hey 9

    by Walter B

    who do you turn this white hot bullshit on when you are not playing detective? Like I would know what fuckin year each of the Cannes Film Festival it is. And Moriarty, sorry kid, but you I also find amusing. Hit me with your best test. bw

  • May 9, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    In an unprecedented investment

    by 9banned0.5furious

    that brought that movie to life. A HUGE dome was build dead center of the bay, om the sea. 300feet in diameter. This dome,(remember the colour?) was build at the cost of 5mil$(today probably15mils$) for a sole purpose to louch 5th element as huge as possible. It was built for Bruce Willis.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    and dig deep.

    by Walter B

    you're right. Anybody could answer the pup questions you thought would stump me. And I am sure you stop while writing and google shit while trying to sound extra-smart. Fuck Me? you only have to to take it back if I am the real Bruce

  • May 9, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    ... okay. Call Harry and tell him you are posting in the talkbacks. That's it. The one and only test that matters. <P>Short of that conversation happening... now... Walter B. is simply not Bruce Willis.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Are you saying that

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Bruce would not remember that? And remember Armagedon footage!?You are full of shit.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    do you think he is up?

    by Walter B

    at this hour?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST

    You want to share with

    by 9banned0.5furious

    us what was the major change that new management of DuCap made as they took over, that was unheard of before?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST

    hey 9

    by Walter B

    I have forgotten more things about the places I have been than the things I remember. That is no test.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST


    by dregmobile

    Totally possible - but how do you know it's definitely NOT Bruce Willis? Are you sure he couldn't have registered for the moment just to suss out AICN first? It's an un-A-List actor kinda thing to do, but I think it's possible.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST


    by Walter B

    they no longer only take cash. And after Pulp Fiction won the Palme Dor, they allowed the Lobby to be turned into a club-like atmosphere

  • May 9, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Hahaha. You forgot that dome?

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Ha ha , good one.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    I do not google bulshit, ok?

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I have no agenda to play detective or look fake hot shot, except as to get trough the lies of promotion of PG13 Die hard.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    hey Moriarity

    by Walter B

    would anyone have access to Harry's number? is it something anyone could get, or is it blocked or restricted? Optimus Prime is currently not available, as he is fight the forces of?? Megatron? So I didn"t get him on the phone, but left him a message that I have been here in the TB chatting, and to give you a call when he can.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    true, true. Remember any guests from 50th?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:41 a.m. CST

    but really 9

    by Walter B

    I doubt that even hard proof were relayed to you by Harry, that you would continue hatin' bw

  • May 9, 2007, 3:43 a.m. CST

    what kind of guests, 9?

    by Walter B

    That fact that I do not remember being at Cannes for 5th Element fucks that test up

  • May 9, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    what a shame

    by Lost Prophet

    damn it. bruce willis being rude about that hack bay is far too good to be true.<p>Am all sad now, I was looking forward to pissing away a working day reading this and bitching.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:45 a.m. CST

    or maybe....

    by Lost Prophet

    Still keeping my hopes up.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:45 a.m. CST

    9, was that the year

    by Walter B

    I threw that big jam down at the Eden Roc?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    hey Lost Prophet,

    by Walter B

    have faith kid. All will be revealed. I am who I am.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Indeed. It was good while it lasted.

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Bruce would remember 5th element themed Cannes50th. Nevermind. You were quite an adversary and if nothing else, helped this TB stay high and people could read the mega true article that Vern wrote in regards to betrayal of Die Hard. And Harry, as far I am concern, is not to be believed at all.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:51 a.m. CST


    by Walter B

    I stayed away because I was working on the DH4. But I am glad to see you thought it was about you. I will accept your Fuck You for now, as long as you tell me you will apologize for saying Fuck You in your forum here so publicly if you apologize just as publicly when you are proven wrong. Deal?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Hey Walter

    by Lost Prophet

    I like your film list. Many of those are on rotation in my house as well. As well as some absolute stinkers that the wife won't turn off. <p>I'm always curious about this, as proper interviewers never ask it- but what do you consider to be the highpoints and the lowpoint in your career?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST


    by Walter B

    would you believe what Moriarty says?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Also, and fuck proofreading

    by Lost Prophet

    who can be bothered with that?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:53 a.m. CST

    and are all

    by Walter B

    your tests Cannes related? And how would you know what Bruce Willis would remember or not remember?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:54 a.m. CST

    By the way, thanx

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Moriarty for your posts. Double thanx for raising the count and creeeeping up on editing room article.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:54 a.m. CST

    So you left a message on Harry's phone?

    by dregmobile

    Sweet. Let's see how this pans out. Because if you're really the Bruce, you'd already have the number since you called him before ... unless someone dialled his number for you and handed you the phone ... which happens a lot in the industry, I know. Either way, I am still enjoying this TB.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:55 a.m. CST

    regarding harry

    by Lost Prophet

    seriously, after last summer- especially some of the reviews that were sooooo far off base to be painful, he is simply not credible. He just loves film too much to be dispassionate. <p>Mind you, if I had managed what he has then I would be the same.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:55 a.m. CST

    hey Lost P

    by Walter B

    Low point(s) Sunset Striking Distance high points, Sixth Sense Pulp Fiction 12 Monkeys Mortal Thoughts thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    I have serious doubs about truthfulness of bigwigs at AICN. I also don`t think it unthinkable that h`wood players would hang aroung AICN. Its a very tired philosophy that its only some obscure people in mother`s basement.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    striking distance was a howler

    by Lost Prophet

    anything with Sarah Jessica Parker is usually unwatchable dreck. <p>I had a bet with a colleaugue that you would have put The color of night in there, but maybe you have blanked it out of mind.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST

    hey Dregmobile

    by Walter B

    Yes, message left on Harry's phone

  • May 9, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST

    That's not meant to be rude. BTW

    by Lost Prophet

    cos' I haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to this stuff. If it seems rude- sorry.

  • May 9, 2007, 4 a.m. CST

    I mean, there are

    by 9banned0.5furious

    kids and industry proffesional that come here at least. If not flat out VIP`s to see if their ego is all in order or should it be maintained.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST

    ahhh, yes

    by Walter B

    CON sucked and somewhere, in the cut-out bins of Walmarts, is still sucking. No problem. I am ok talking about the pigs I have done too, and will call them that bw

  • May 9, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST

    I said it way way up there

    by 9banned0.5furious

    that in case this film turns out to be not PG13 and I have been not flat out lied too, I will ask my best friend to spit in my face and then come here and apologise profoundly.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:02 a.m. CST

    hey 9

    by Walter B

    Are you from France?

  • May 9, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Nothing will

    by 9banned0.5furious

    make me happier as a true to the core new Die Hard film. Can Wiseman pull it of? I don`t think so. Can you do a balls to the wall Die Hars sans Joel Silver? I don`t think so. Can Olyphant hold a candle to Rickman,Irons? I don`t think so.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:05 a.m. CST

    No, that was not the deal.

    by Walter B

    the PG-13 rating is a done deal, and really had nothing to do with you saying Fuck You. Only if I were really Bruce Willis. And fuck my ego. I have already said that is not why I came in here. But don't pussy out now 9 bw

  • May 9, 2007, 4:05 a.m. CST

    thank god no

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I believe that Bruce might believe that he made a better film that first one.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Ah, you mean to apologise to

    by 9banned0.5furious

    you? Well ok, but show me where was that deal made. But I mean sure, i`ll apologise for saying "walter b fuck you" if it comes to that you are indeed Bruce.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:08 a.m. CST


    by Walter B

    does believe he made a better film than the first one. And I have said so here. And fuck Joel Silver. And it can be said about many actors that they can not hold a candle to Alan Rickman, and Jeremy Irons. But they weren't available

  • May 9, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST

    its true

    by Walter B

    you never agreed to any deal, except to having your friend spit in your face and then apologizing here, in this Forum

  • May 9, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    This howewer

    by 9banned0.5furious

    means nothing as to PG13 Die Hard, you understand that, i hope. If, lets say, Bruce, feels this movie is better `cause it fights terorism in some post 911 vibe, ok, that`s ok. And from what I read about "Bruce`s" opinions, that sure is to be expected. Howewer in movie reality that basically acounts for nothing. Agendas, come and go. Only quality prevails.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:13 a.m. CST

    now I must really

    by Walter B

    be off. Nice talking with you all, 9 included. I am sure there will be an answer to this tomorrow. thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 4:14 a.m. CST

    It's not that they weren't available, surely,

    by Lost Prophet

    but didn't both characters die?<p>It would be stupid to have them in this film.<p>I'd like to see Tim Roth in a Die Hard film. I've not seen him in anything for ages, but I think he would be great as a sadist villain with a theiving masterplan.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:17 a.m. CST


    by Walter B

    I never said in here that the movie is better than the first one because it fights terrorism in some post 911 vibe. I said, and I quote, "it is as good as, if not better than the first movie" , endquote. There were not special reasons, just that it is a bad Motherfuckin movie, that if you are a fan of the first one, as I am, you will be more than satisfied.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST

    I see now Die Hard is a done deal

    by 9banned0.5furious

    well to that i say fuck it to kingdom come. If you are indeed Bruce and then I insulted you by saying fuck you, and I apologise. Everything else what I said about problems with this film howewer stays. And don`t take this the wrong way, but your opinion of the film will not influence mine. Yes I haven`t seen it. But your mind is busy with overall political message on this one, and mine is busy hoping for survival of great cinema. R action cinema in particular. And its not blodthirst, libs being torn and gore. I don`t watch torture porn or all this new crap beacause its just that crap. There is some fundamental missunderstanding concerning R action films, intentional or not, spinned or not, mindcontrolled or not, going on in this Die Hard talkbackalyptos.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Walter B

    by 9banned0.5furious

    if it was you, I say thax a lot and all my best to you. Its been great and you are a true star if you came here and laid it out for idiots to come out with flamethrowers. If you`re not, kudos still. You deserve it.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST


    by Walter B

    that was very generous, 9. Just keep an open mind. There is very little 'message' to this Film, and a lot of what the first Die Hard was all about. that was my only point. goodnite bw

  • May 9, 2007, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Well said 9

    by Lost Prophet

    kudos indeed. <p>And Torture porn is rubbish.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Dear Walter B

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I'm just going to assume you are who you might be, because what the hell, right? What have I got to lose, except maybe a little dignity.<p>Anyway, despite the ever present talkback bile (it's not a talkback without bile), I think I can safely say those of us who've been hooked since the first Die Hard are all hoping for a good sequel. It doesn't even have to be great. Good will be good enough. I know I have my sweaty nerd fingers crossed that I am about to see John McClane back to somewhere near his best, so today - for one day only - I choose to be optimistic and believe that you're giving us the real deal. Maybe believing will make it so. That would be nice. If nothing else, this has been a pretty entertaining TB.<p>Thanks for stopping by, and remember - if you are a faker, you are a world class asshole, which will come back around to bite you. Possibly, Juggfuckler will come after you.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:46 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    think nothing of it. goodnite to you.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Juggfuckler only goes after real directors

    by Lost Prophet

    so if he is fake he is safe. I still hope he is real though<p>I hope that the mighty juggfuckleris sharpening his implements of JUGGFUCKLING to truly take his crown as the avenging TB'er and eviscerate Michael Bay.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:03 a.m. CST

    I would love to see Juggfuckler turn up

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Vern Vs the Chaos DVD is, I think, the greatest talkback of all time. The fight challenges, the DOORWAY TO TRUE EVIL - fucking genius. That is some new kind of art only the internet can give you.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Vern vs The chaos DVD.

    by Lost Prophet

    Pity it got purged. I nearly threw up laughing at that.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Walter B is a fucking annoying retarded kid

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    This faker is in no case The Bruce. I can't believe that some of you actually believe that this fartknocker is the real BW. He didn't answer your questions but is just paraphrasing them. He doesn't sound like BW. In fact, he doesn't even sound like an adult, let alone a 52 yr old movie star.<p>Pretending to be The Bruce is lame, embarrassing and infantile. So I'd like to say a hearty FUCK YOU to you, pigfucker.<p>(Want to make sure this TB stays Rated-R)

  • May 9, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    One thing I've always liked about Bruce Willis

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    He's always understood the value of the underdog hero. I'm not a big fan of the stevensegalian approach to action heroism (sorry, Vern). As soon as I hear a guy's an ex-special forces type who knows eight different kinds of kung fu and can kill you by thinking bad thoughts about you while he's on the toilet, I tune right out. I like the guys with the odds stacked against them, who get the shit beaten out of them but keep going anyway. That was a good thing about 16 Blocks (which people should check out if they want some quality old school action/thriller type shenanigans). That guy looked like he could barely walk 16 blocks, much less escort a motormouth rapper while his copper buddies try to kill him.<p>Anyway, if we get more of that in LFODH, I'll be pretty happy. More battered John McClane, not giving up because he's too damn stubborn to do anything else. That's the Die Hard mythology to me; not how many times he says fuck.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    he is no kid. <p>He might not be Bruce, but he came as fucking close to confirming his ID as I think is possible over annonimity of TB. <p>He does have a big hole in his memory about one huge detail, that surely bothers me(might be explained with all the drugs and partying maybe), but otherwise he is doing very fine. <p>My only worry is that he might be a FOX executive, or somehow conected to Bruce. That would explain the memory hole perfectly while being able to answer other stuff correctly as is quite known stuf round h`wood. <p>In that case Walter B can allways refer to my ALL CAPS post 70 places above.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    R, PG-13, this movie was doomed no matter what

    by WolfmanNards

    and that's because it doesn't have John Mctiernan at the helm. The 2 good die hard movies are directed by him. The 1 shitty die hard movie (Die Harder) is directed by Renny Harlin. The Underworld guy is pretty much another Renny Harlin.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Die Hard 2 is okay

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    It pales in comparison to the original, but when you stand it next to Renny Harlin's other films, it looks a lot better. It's not as good as Deep Blue Sea, obviously (if only Die Hard 2 had LL Cool J fighting a shark!), but it's entertaining enough, I think.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    They knew in advance they were shooting PG13

    by 9banned0.5furious

    movie. No amount of, "well you know you can have a very gritty PG13, its not just saying fuck 300 times" is going to cover this. <p>I will say this, LFoDH might be enjoyable flick, but it surely is no Die Hard. Because JohnMcClane doesn`t fit into PG13. All the other not enough tallented people in front or behind camera are only extra problem.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    In the words of Joel Silver:

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Well you know I wish I could make PG13 movies like Brucheimer. Its way more sure and studios love it, but shit, no matter whatever I make it allways ends up being an R movie." Now go and look him up on imdb. Then look up the suits that produced DH4. <p>I am so fucking tired of deliberate avoidance and just plain ignorance of what is a true R action picture.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Walter B = 9

    by The Atomic Worm

    Posting under an alternate screenname. Come on, people, it's obvious... 9 should've been banned a long time ago for spamming the boards anyway.

  • May 9, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST


    by Automaton Overlord

    My question is this; Who would win in a fight between the Felowship Of The Ring and the staff of Hogwarts?****Bonus*****Indiana Jones Vs. Leatherface?*****Wolverine Vs. Boba-Fett*****John Carter Vs. Conan?

  • May 9, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by Automaton Overlord

    By the way, if it really is you, what did you throw into the crowd at the opening of Planet Hollywood in Dallas???

  • May 9, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Guys... I Repeat...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... this was not Bruce Willis. It really shouldn't even be a question, but in case you're still wondering... nope. Not him.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Atomic go back to

    by 9banned0.5furious

    whatever crapy comicbook TB you crawled from. You can also fuck off with your suggestions. Go away and discuss colors of latex suits somewhere or whatever is your thing. Die Hard sure aint one.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    can you elaborate?

  • May 9, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST


    by emp

    I don't think they will realize it, now matter how many times you tell them... I tried, but they wouldn't listen. So since I couldn't beat them, I will now join them in denial. "Walter B. IS Bruce Willis!!!! Just look how he has ended his last posts with 'bw'. I mean, that's proof enough for me!"

  • May 9, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I just got back from my daily

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Albert Camus book club gathering and feel fresh to discuss R Die Hard more.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Hey 9

    by emp

    I'm actually Albert Camus. I was born in Mondovi, Algeria (don't ask me about my death - it was faked). Ask me anything you like.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Heh emp

    by 9banned0.5furious

    I was accused of this shit in other TB while defending R Die Hard and, well I just feel hapy about it since it surely will be highlite of my DH4 experience. Can`t really get worked up over it. Too much fun.<p>Now for the question... hmm. Whats your top 5 action movies?(no adventure)

  • May 9, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    This TB is still pretty fun....

    by buffywrestling

    even if it's not Willis. Plus it got Vern's letter over with some nice heat. Tremendous!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    So true, 9banned...

    by emp

    ...these TBs are more fun than a PG-13 Die Hard will ever be. But then again, I've actually found some sick pleasure in watching Alien vs Predator again recently, and the same will probably happen with this one. But for my top 5 action... How about... Aliens, The Matrix, Leon, The Last Boyscout, Predator...

  • May 9, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    shiiiii, Aliens

    by 9banned0.5furious

    does it count, should it? It rocks anyway you turn it. I like your list. Actually I don`t like it. Shit man so confusing to be me sometimes. Leon too artsy and too slow for me.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Leon was my artsy alibi

    by emp

    And still a kick ass movie...

  • May 9, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Hey man,

    by 9banned0.5furious

    Camus needs Leon. And I like that movie too, anyway.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    So transformers hate = walter B love?

    by emp

    Or am I missing something?

  • May 9, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I understand Valentine

    by 9banned0.5furious

    there and great post, but also not sure about analogy. Maybe just simple outpouring of love. You know, women... or man... or android love.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Albert Camus and Leon The Professional

    by emp

    teaming up would make a good buddy-action-comedy...

  • May 9, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    Camus: Whoops! I lost my gun! Hold him Leon!<p>Leon: Now you tell us the acces code or my buddy Albert here is going to explain your life to you!

  • May 9, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Theories on motive

    by Vern

    1. A head injury during a Moonlighting marathon caused Walter B to really believe he is Bruce Willis. As far as he knows, he really has seen DIE **** 4 and must defend its honor.<p> 2. A dedicated role player, Walter B has pretended to be a vampire or elf for years, but wanted a chance at playing a more fantastical hero such as Bruce Willis.<p> 3. Possessed by the ghost of Jack Valenti, Walter B now dedicates his life to promoting ratings lower than R, even if that takes impersonating Bruce Willis in a talkback.<p> 4. The Doorway to True Evil was left open a crack, leaking True Evil into my talkbacks. Because they take the form of things that occupy my brain, other apparitions will appear to be Steven Seagal, Blade, boobs, etc.<p> But seriously though, I understand the fucking with us part. But why so intent on defending a movie he (we assume) hasn't seen? I don't think if it was somebody who actually worked on/for the movie they would have the balls to impersonate John McClane. That would be poor form for a studio lackey or an Underworld director or somebody. So this is kind of a head scratcher.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    By the way

    by Vern

    Impersonating a police officer or a federal agent is a crime. Just ask DMX. But impersonating Bruce Willis is AN ABOMINATION AGAINST GOD. You'll get yours, Walter B. Payback is a bitch. Not the movie, the movie is pretty good.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by 9banned0.5furious

    you da man. Excelent. Abomination.<p>I worry it can be more than just fucking with us, too elaborate. Maybe when Die **** 4 proves to be a cop out from diehardverse and internet masses descent upon it, Bruce can claim ignorance of TB, trying to keep career afloat somehow, where as if sheep eat up PG13 Die **** 4, he can claim influence and pull with one of Transformers friends confirming his identity. Looking superb, hell unsinkable. Very evil if that option is true.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Did Fox change the rating back to R yet? This TB has turned into a loony bin, eh? False identities, posters with OCD, John Titor. Why go for the big time, Walter B? Why not start off slowly and impersonate Argyle. PS: what happened to that actor? Does he still sign autographs you think? Also, Vern. Have you ever met anyone from the original? I don't see how it's not possible if you haven't.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    BACK TO #1

    by TheDohDoh

    This is like a TB sleep-over! Back to #1. Congrats everyone. The LIVE FREE or --- rating controversy LIVES!

  • May 9, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Damn yous, Walter B!!

    by buffywrestling

    Damn yous all to Hell!! <p> How cool was it working with Meryl Streep and Goldie Hawn in Death Becomes Her?

  • May 9, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Argyle rules

    by Vern

    No DohDoh, I never met anybody from Die Hard if that's what you're asking. I haven't met a whole lot of celebrities. I did shake Steven Seagal's hand that one time but I didn't have a conversation with him or anything.<p> Too bad, now that my PERSONAL GUARANTEE FROM BRUCE WILLIS has been marked invalid I will have to go back to my plan of not paying to see this unless it's R. I want to be proven wrong, but geez. Still hard to imagine those coldblooded suckers would do this to DIE HARD. This sucks.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Funny, this TB is now in the top spot...

    by The Dum Guy

    This has got to be one of the funniest talk-backs ever. I hope someone points this out to the real Bruce Willis on one of the questions, maybe I will. I was actually kinda hoping that this Walter B. might be for real, but then again why would a multi-million dollar star bother staying up till 3 a.m. to talk to fans. To reiterate: My hopes for LFoDH being equal to DH1 are around the same as my hopes of winning the lottery, and I don’t play the lottery.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I'm almost afraid to post on this TB

    by Onomaki Forp

    but 9banned0.5furious if you wasn't already a saint i'd have to canonise you all over again. if walter b. wasn't bruce might it have been cousin walter? the one with the cat chasing gerbil problem? or maybe walt flanagan's dog?

  • May 9, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I'm Spartacus

    by Mr_X

    everyone wants to be bruce nowadays

  • May 9, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    No, I am Spartacus.

    by The Dum Guy

    No, I am Spartacus.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    I will try to do my share in making this Talk Back the TB of TBs. I talked to Gambi the Seeer and he said that he "sees" this TalkBack being mentioned in Entertainment Weekly's upcoming Live Free or Die ---- feature. Argyle could have had his own series. I looked him up on IMDB. Dude's real name is De'voreaux White and his last role was as a "second tranvestite" in a movie called "Shadow Hours." Dude should have started his own limo company in LA, got fat and worn sunglasses 24-7. Call it Argyle at Your Service. Maybe he could have picked up some of these Fox Execs and dropped them off at a building (they're own building, the irony) full of terrorists demanding a rating change back to R.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    No, I am Spartacus.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    It's me really. Loved the movie, the SuperBowl commercial a few years ago, and Kurt just came out with an autobiography this week.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Seriously, Fox Execs. I talked to my mom on the phone and she brought up summer movies. I just told her about Live Free of Die ---- being PG-13 and she was like "Doh Doh, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Who makes these movies these days. Why would Bruce Willis do that?" Eventually, I said, "Mom, I don't know the answer to these questions, but the meaning of life is getting this rating changed the fuck back to R." True story.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    I keep telling my wife that Die Hard

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    is a Christmas movie, but she just doesn't believe me.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    My kid said "Why"...

    by The Dum Guy

    So, I sat my eldest down to a heart-to-heart and spilled the beans: “One, your mother was a hooker when we first met. Two, I’ve never loved you or your mother, so I am leaving both of you. Three, perhaps the most shocking, the ‘new’ Die Hard is only going to be rated PG-13, so you don’t need me there to buy tickets.” He just looked up at me and asked “Why? Why would they do that to such a treasured franchise? I don’t want to live anymore. Whaaaaa!” Maybe that was a little too much for a nine-year old to handle.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Sorry if I'm late to the game here fellas, but why does this impersonator have black box on AICN? This really confuses the hell out of me, especially with Moriarty visiting the TB to declare it's not Willis. #1 Why would AICN give a non-contrib a black box? #2 Why would AICN give a black box to this kook? #3 What are the qualifications to get a black box? I'm guessing the system admin has to give each person it. In that case, was Walter B just given a black box for this TB? Man, my mind is a bit frazzled by all of this. AICN should be really selective in who they dole those black boxes to. It's what keeps this site credible, Web 2.0 aside.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Has anyone asked him if he regrets doing those ...

    by chrth

    wine cooler commercials in the 80s?

  • May 9, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Suddenly AICN is all 'black-ops' about what should be said and what can't and what's worth being pissed about and what's not. And now, we have Moriarty telling us not to listen to Walter B, and now the person has a black box. Somebody's loving the publicity somewhere.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp

    dude...your TRIPLE caconised now! Only you could stump Walter B. with a question only he could answer... and them have him get it wrong! Of course there is the small matter of apologising... but hey you still did good here... without you Walter B. would have no place to post!!!

  • May 9, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Wait just a second

    by Walter B

    I realized how we can solve this conundrum quite easliy. You all live in a digital world. someone must have a Mac with iChat camera ability. Send me your biggest doubter, who has iChat/video ability, and have them call( i will give that person my iChat address, and they will see me talking to them. I doubt if there is a way to fake that. let's see.... thanks bw and what is a black box?

  • May 9, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I'm reminded of when Peter Mayhew joined TF.N

    by chrth

    People were bitching for pages that it wasn't him (the thread he started was "So, is Chewbacca in Episode 3" or something like that), until finally TPTB confirmed it. Makes a lot of people look stupid. It also reminds me of an article I once read about The Shat going online and no one believing it was him. Good times.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Walter B: Black boxes are reserved for Admins here

    by chrth

    The only way to get one is for one of the high muckety-mucks that run the site to give it to you. That's why it is significant (you'll notice Moriarty, who is this site's #2 -- well, at least in my mind -- has a black box, as does Vern, the columnist).

  • May 9, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    You know what?

    by Chief Redcock

    I haven't read a single article on this site for a few days, and I won't until this whole Bruce Willis thing is resolved. Is it Bruce or not? That's all I care about.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Bruce Willis uses a Mac?!?

    by chrth

    I don't know if I'm willing to live in a world where that is true.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    props to bad math guy for his tenacity

    by just pillow talk

    this is some pretty fucked up shit right here..

  • May 9, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I should say "Admins and major contributors"

    by chrth

    As I don't think Vern actually does any admin-ing.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    he has to use a Mac now...

    by just pillow talk

    ties-in with Justin Long.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    hey chrth

    by Walter B

    do you actually recieve a black box, or is it a metaphor for the telephone #?

  • May 9, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Clay Aiken likes to use iChat cams for lascivious purposes. Maybe he wants to meet some geeks. Haha. Bruce Willis, if this is you, I'm sorry. I have no idea what is going on in this TB. It's like someone just leak some nitrous in here. Somebody, hurry up and get on iChat with this person. I don't have a Mac. Of course, the guy has a Mac people. Is it THE MAC GUY??? WHOA. BREAK THROUGH. WE'RE TALKING TO THE MAC GUY.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    your posts get coded in a black box

    by just pillow talk

    so that they stand out over all us riff-raff..

  • May 9, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    wait a minute

    by Vern

    This talkback now has more plot twists than the Chaos one. Walter B was a ghost the whole time? I'm confused. Does this mean he passed the test, or that Harry is fucking with us?<P> Does it mean now I *do* have a PERSONAL GUARANTEE FROM BRUCE WILLIS? Please let me know before June.<p> p.s. does anybody have a good screengrab of Ellis? I think "Don't be Ellis" could be this generation's "mean people suck."

  • May 9, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I have always had to use Mac's

    by Walter B

    because I was never smart enough/patient enough to learn to use a PC. mea culpa bw

  • May 9, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST


    by Walter B

    when I woke up this morning I noticed there was a black box around my posts. Is tht what you mean by black box? bw

  • May 9, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Hey Bruno...

    by RedEyeDistrict

    I see you were up till 3 something in the am answering posts and said bye like twice but kept posting. Shits hard to quit once you get going huh? Oh yeah and thanks for the reply. Coolest thing ever and if my Dad was still alive he would shit a cold purple twinkie. He had ALL of your movies, even Color of Night. Though that might have been for Jane March. Giggity

  • May 9, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Walter B...

    by Onomaki Forp

    how are you reading these posts? If you can't see your own black box? Some other kind of set-up?

  • May 9, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Hey Bruno...

    by RedEyeDistrict

    I see you were up till 3 something in the am answering posts and said bye like twice but kept posting. Shits hard to quit once you get going huh? Oh yeah and thanks for the reply. Coolest thing ever and if my Dad was still alive he would shit a cold purple twinkie. He had ALL of your movies, even Color of Night. Though that might have been for Jane March. Giggity

  • May 9, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Walter B: Yes, that's what we mean

    by chrth

    Your posts look like black boxes. No figurative language employed here.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Ok you CAN see the black box...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ... never mind.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    my bad...

    by RedEyeDistrict

    double post.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I dont care if its Bruce or not

    by BitterMan23

    Its hilarious. Though if it IS him, I am saddened to read "I will not work with him again" about Bay. I love Armageddon. it may be the only film i disagree with Vern on. But i highly doubt the real Bruce would say things like 'fuck joel silver' (incidentally, i said the same thing myself after watching that dunghole INVASION). But like i said, either way, its pretty entertaining.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    hey Onomaki Forp

    by Walter B

    because I did not realize what you guys meant by " now Walter B has a black box" I really thought it meant I recieved some kind of hardware. Forgive my ignorance. And again, excuse my ignorance, but do PC computers not have video chat capabilities? I was trying to get to bed, and then I got into it with 9.... but thanks RedeyeDistrict as well. bw

  • May 9, 2007, 3 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    I'm going to reiterate a prior point: if this was Bruce Willis he WOULD NOT SPELL MCCLANE "MACCLANE." Even if this is a person who worked on DIE HARD and LIVE FREE as Walter B claims he has, I would think that person would know how to spell the character's name. This isn't geek trivia, but it's the way of the world.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I think you should get a different color box

    by just pillow talk

    Now then, my worry is that this film will be your everyday CGI heavy action film of the past decade. How much computer generated effects were used in the film?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    hey Bitterman 23

    by Walter B

    That is because you do not understand my relationship with Joel S. We are cordial now when we bump into each other, but we have not worked together since Last Boy Scout. thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    hey Dohdoh

    by Walter B

    On the set, Len started getting into the habit of calling me John Ma-fucking-Clane. I suppose I began spelling it wrong thinking of the a in that nickname. Who knows? So I spelled it wrong a few times. Lock me up and send me to Russia, or some other harsher communist country where they correct spelling continuously. And I did not ask for a "black box", nor do I need one. thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    hey pillow talk

    by Walter B

    while there was some CGI used for things we simply could not actually have, like a real Harrier jet, some huge fireball scenes that could not be done in real time, the movie has very little CGI. thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I'm not saying Bruce loves the guy

    by BitterMan23

    It just seems odd he would actually SAY that. I recall back on his own site, Bruce would never say anything derogative about other celebrities and posters that said such things were often reprimanded by the admins, sometimes by Bruce himself. He always seemed very diplomatic. <br> <br> As for the spelling, who cares? One of the Vacation movies had "Griswold" spelled with an "a". Spelling is never really important in Hollywood.<br> <br> Also, if this is indeed Bruce, I was wondering what you thought of Perfect Stranger. As I consider it to be the worst film of your career. :(

  • May 9, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Walter B: Any chance we'll get a Hudson Hawk sequel?

    by chrth

    Sure, the critics trashed it. But I thought it was a great film, and I know I'm not alone. You did a sequel for the Whole Nine Yards, why not Hudson Hawk?<p> PS: Been back to Jersey lately? I think it's falling apart (even worse than normal). Depresses me to visit my family sometimes.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    This might be a dumb question Walter

    by Vern

    But other than playing John McClane, do you see yourself doing action/tough guy movies anymore? It's clear you don't need to and can get all kinds of interesting roles in many genres. But it's also great to see you playing a badass.<p> And before you say "I'm too old" I got a few names I want you to consider: Lee Marvin. Charles Bronson. Clint Eastwood. There have been alot of guys older than you who could still dish it out.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Gotcha. I don't have a video set-up on my Dell Dimension, but yes, it is possible. I'm not sure what's taking a TalkBacker so long to link up with you on video to prove that once and for all you are Bruce Willis. Let me just state that between reading this TalkBack and seeing the blog "The Shane Black Album" yesterday - - that I've got The Last Boy Scout coming to my crib tomorrow and I'm throwing a party. I don't know what in the hell to think of LIVE FREE, but let it be known that I am a huge Bruce Willis fan and he is a true Icon of American Cinema - and there has never been such a shortage of those in cinema, so I am praying that Live Free is as good as Walter B says it is.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Gotcha. I don't have a video set-up on my Dell Dimension, but yes, it is possible. I'm not sure what's taking a TalkBacker so long to link up with you on video to prove that once and for all you are Bruce Willis. Let me just state that between reading this TalkBack and seeing the blog "The Shane Black Album" yesterday - - that I've got The Last Boy Scout coming to my crib tomorrow and I'm throwing a party. I don't know what in the hell to think of LIVE FREE, but let it be known that I am a huge Bruce Willis fan and he is a true Icon of American Cinema - and there has never been such a shortage of those in cinema, so I am praying that Live Free is as good as Walter B says it is.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Hey heres one for you hoss...

    by RedEyeDistrict

    I know what the whole late-night talk show thing is all about, usually movie or project promotion, but if you had to pick one late-night show to go on just for shits and giggles, which would you choose? I was always partial to Conan myself.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    I loved Hudson Hawk...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ... it was DaVinci Code years before there was DaVinci Code...

  • May 9, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Bout that Hip Hop thing

    by Neil McCauleys Crew

    Did Mos Def ever showcase his lyrical skills to you when working on 16 blocks? He's one of the better lyricists around trying to keep real Hip Hop alive. And he seems to be a pretty decent actor to boot--did Mos get you into any hip hop stuff?

  • May 9, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    What in the Phil McKrackin is going on here?

    by BGDAWES

    Mori/Vern - will one of you please pause the DVD player, get off the fucking couch, and go call Harry? Someone gave Wally B. a black box yet you say he isn't legit. We've all had a lot of fun in this TB but enough is enough! Christ!

  • May 9, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    This ones for Vern....

    by RedEyeDistrict

    Hey I read once that you (Admins) get a certain monetary amount for each post you get for an article. If this is indeed true, you gotta be pretty freakin satisfied, huh? I don't think I've seen a TB with so much traffic go for so long. If not true then, eh, I'm retarded. But you still got John Ma FUCKIN Clane in your TB so win/win for you huh buddy? gratz

  • May 9, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    hey RedeyeDistrict

    by Walter B

    except for one foray onto the Jay Leno show, where I made the mistake of calling him Dave a couple of times, for years I have been loyal to David Letterman. thanks bw

  • May 9, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST


    by Vern

    I'm not in the loop on that. I'm just a lone wolf writer in Seattle, I met Harry a couple times but I don't have his phone number. I am taking the black box to mean Moriarty was wrong and this IS the mothafuckin man right here, but I'm on the edge of my seat just like you are. And just like we supposedly will be six times during this PG-13 movie next month.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Walter B wants to get on iChat with someone to prove that he's who he says he is: Bruce Willis. Somebody get with the person and figure out what's what. Harry's off somewhere, Moriarty doesn't know what's going on, I'm guessing Vern doesn't have a vid-cam on his PC. Walter B says he'll supply his iChat address and you can post the snaps on Flickr for all of us to see. AND YOU MIGHT JUST MAKE GEEK-HISTORY HAVING A ONE-ON-ONE INTERNET VID CHAT WITH BRUCE WILLIS. SOMEBODY GET ON ICHAT WITH HIM NOW.. HHAHAA. COME ON PEOPLE.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Red Eye

    by Vern