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Capone slips on his tight tights and goes swinging with SPIDER-MAN 3!!!
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Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here. In the weekend before I saw the highly anticipated (at least by me) Spider-Man 3, I did something I almost never do, but I plan on doing as often as I can this summer. I watched the first two Spider-Man movies. I'm not exactly sure what inspired me to do this. It's not like there are vital plot points from the first two films that are carried over into the third installment (although the issue of the death of Peter Parker's beloved Uncle Ben is re-evaluated). But something compelled me for some reason, and the idea of immersing myself in the Spidey universe seemed like it would be a fun thing to do in the days leading up to the screening last week.
And I'm going to make every effort to continue the practice by watching the first two Pirates of the Caribbean entries; the first four Harry Potter films; the first three Die Hard adventures; the first two Jason Bourne chapters; the first two capers of Danny Ocean and his crew; maybe 28 Days Later; possibly the first two Shrek films; probably not the first two Rush Hour movies; 50-50 on Bruce Almighty; most definitely Night Watch; definitely not Fantastic Four; already got the first Hostel cued up; with Hal Hartley's Henry Fool (Fay Grim would be the sequel there) after that; and Mr. Bean rounding out the pile (I'm kidding). Hey folks, there are an enormous butt-load of sequels filling theaters this year, averaging about one per week. And while I firmly believe that a film should stand on its own regardless of what came before, I'm looking at this summer as a personal experiment by trying something I've never done before: watching what came before immediately prior to seeing the latest entry. I'm sure you're all reading this with a true sense of wonder and delight.
Watching the first two Spider-Man chapters had an interesting impact on my enjoyment of Part 3. It made me not enjoy it as much. But a part of me firmly believes that this is because it's the weakest script we've seen in the franchise so far, if only because it crams not one, not two, but three villains; two girlfriends; one flirty neighbor; a small handful of musical numbers; one major costume change; and a French waiter with boatloads of attitude into one fairly lengthy production. The film has the series' most exciting action sequences, but their impact is dampened by some of the most profoundly limp character interactions between Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire) and Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst), and between Peter and his elderly Aunt May (Rosemary Harris).
Returning director Sam Raimi has and will always be one of my favorite filmmakers to watch, and he absolutely shines in both his action directing and the nice bits of comedy in these films (Bruce Campbell's supporting work here--far more than the cameos he's made in the last two films--is his absolute best). But Raimi seems almost bored by the interpersonal relationships of his main characters, and focuses his energy on kick-ass fight scenes and his supporting players. The scenes at the Daily Bugle are among my favorites here, as Ted Raimi, Bill Nunn, Elizabeth Banks, and the always screamingly funny J.K. Simmons as editor J. Jonah Jameson really stand out is some sublimely paced comedy moments. The addition of Topher Grace as Peter's photography rival Eddie Brock (the man who would be Venom) fits in perfectly in this coven of misfits. This guy is an utter ass-munch, and Grace's timing and rapid-fire deliver are his gifts. The blond tips in his hair don't hurt either.
The long-overdue addition of the Gwen Stacy character is surprisingly strong, but it underscores just how poorly utilized Dunst is this time around. Plus Bryce Dallas Howard's Gwen is so strikingly beautiful and utterly sweet, she kind of makes Dunst look like a grumpy wet dog in this film. By the end of this story, I was truly hoping for the death of Mary Jane and a little late-night consolation by Ms. Stacy.
And what about those three villains? Well despite the return of Dylan Baker as Peter's professor Dr. Curt Connors, we still don't get my number one choice for new villain: The Lizard. Instead we get Harry Osborn picking up his father Norman's (Willem Dafoe, brought back again as in Spider-Man 2, as the voice in Harry's head and vision he sees in the mirror) glider and pumpkin bombs and going after Spider-Man, whom he knows full well is his one-time best friend Peter. He hurts himself in their first battle, bumps his noggin, and temporarily loses his memory of the events leading up to his injury. So for a short time, at least Peter's identity is safe.
We also get The Sandman aka Flint Marko (an inspired Thomas Hayden Church), an escaped convict who, through a freak accident of science can turn his body into sand. The scene in which Marko first realizes what has happened to him and is learning to control his power is really cool, but the filmmakers have saddled him with a backstory involving a sick little daughter that seems unnecessary. I think they actually want to like the guy, which is silly. And I'm not even going into Marko's connection to Uncle Ben's death. Still, I like the way Church plays Marko and his fight scenes with Spidey are fantastic, especially one set in the confines of an armored car, so that makes the silly plotlines easier to stomach.
Then we get to the black suit that becomes Venom. The way the suit is introduced is so matter of fact that I couldn't believe they weren't even going to try to explain its existence just a little better. Granted, the filmmakers can't use the comic book origins of the black suit, but my God, just having it drop out of the sky in an unexplained meteor? That's the best they could come up with? That being said, I do like the way Maguire plays the black-suited Spider-Man, with a little more confidence crossing over into cocky and hot headed, even dangerous at times. Sometimes his newfound behavior is played for laughs; sometimes it's downright scary. Maguire lets his hair flop down almost covering his eyes (which might be sporting a hint of eyeliner; he looks a bit like Jared Leto in full emo mode), and lets a swagger enter his step. It's a riot.
Even with all it's deep flaws, Spider-Man 3 is still all about being entertaining, sometimes to a fault. But the last 20-30 minutes of so, as Spidey takes on both Sandman and Venom (Brock covered by the symbiotic black goo), with a taste of new Goblin on the side, are some of the finest action sequences I've seen in a comic book adaptation. And these are the moments upon which I choose to dwell and remember fondly. This is a decent start to the summer movie season, people, but I anticipate still better things to come both from sequels and other adaptations, as well as original works. This is only the beginning.
Capone
capone@aintitcool.com
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I´m writing to you from Germany where we were "lucky"
enough to get a pre U.S. release which doesn`t happen
too often. The movie i`m talking about is Spider-Man
3.
I have to say that i really like reading comics though
and most of the time i like the movies as well. My
favors are Batman Begins and The Hulk (yeah i know).
I almost liked Spider-Man (1) and the second one was a
little better. All 3 movies have several weak points
which are the two lead actors. MJ looked ok in the
first movie but now she`s just ugly and Tobey got fat.
His double-chin should earn him the title role in an
upcoming movie about the life of Don Vito. He got
thin-haired so he looks like he`s thirty in "3".
I thought they ruined the Goblin in "1" but now i just
got to say they fucked up Venom even more. He almost
seems like a Sandman sidekick cause he`s on-screen for
about 10 minutes.
So with my problems due to Pete and MJ one can easily
see why i didn`t really like the movies plus i think
Sam Raimi doesn`t get the job right.
So finally (some spoilers ahead):
I think Spider-Man 3 is a good movie at times but the
bad parts are superior. I really liked the whole of
the Sandman plot. Thomas Haden Church get`s the job
perfectly done and the effects look so much better
than in the Mummy-like trailer. Harry`s got a good
part (and James Franco easily outplays Tobey
McDonalds) and the new Goblin (or Hobgoblin) costume
looks alright. The action scenes are good but i really
wonder where those speculated 300+ million dollars
have gone. I mean: Damn
those Venom teeth look pretty bad. And there`s the
major problem i had. Venom almost get`s overlooked.
That was one of Spider-Man`s biggest enemy. Ok it
wasn`t as bad as Bane in Batman&Robin (very sad) but i
was really disappointed. I just hope the rest in Dr
Connors`lab doesn`t spawn Carnage in the next movie.
By
the way i hope the lizard will be up for "4". Topher
Grace is great as Eddie Brock but Venom just didn`t
look as mean as in the comic books.
Tobey really looks like he`s lost and gained weight
throughout the movie. He rarely looks like a lead
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Cool site. All the Venom pics are there if you still wanted them. I'm looking forward to this flick, but I have a feeling it's gonna suck like Jenna.
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I can't wait to see this.
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i was hoping it was a more even thing,it sounded good,but im happy at least the action holds up.and the actors are fine.
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Seems a bit stupid and far-fetched, even for a flick about a guy who wears tights and climbs walls. The Ultimate Spidey books did a better job of explaining it away (but then I suppose this film is already so jammed full of plotlines that they couldn't go for another).
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honest review. venom should have been saved for another movie, he seems to rushed. and i think the giant sandman at the end was badly done... roars like a godzilla and it cant even chase spidey around properly. if only we could get an early script of sm3 where raimi didnt include the symbiote story and venom.
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ign says that somebody from sm3 who appears to be dead will make a return. i hope its eddie brock only this time he will have a much bigger screen time.... and please.... bring on the lizard already. the worst thing they could do now is to have carnage for a big screen movie, carnage was already pretty lame in the comics we dont need another symbiote character.
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pretty good, the "dance number" was silly and too over the top, but the fight scenes should satisfied comic-book geeks. Spidey 3 is opening big in my country, Indonesia. Tickets were sold in advance and there's a new multiplex that is having 15 showings a day
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he has powers that would add to their collective.
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Or maybe Sam Raimi? OK people, It's voting time! Just slap Peter Jackson for JLA! or Sam Raimi for JLA! somewhere in your post and I'll tot them up in two days time.
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Topher Grace and Tobey where on the letterman show tonight. Tobey looked like he really didn't want to be there. Specially when Dave started asking about how much money he wins playing poker... topher was hilarious, tobey was a cold fish. Me thinks he might need to work on his diplomacy skillz. The clip they showed was far far far far far better than the clip kirsten "ugly face" dunst brought to the show monday night. Damn I can't wait to see this movie IMAX style.
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May 02, 2007 3:40:14 AM CDT
It's almost too bad that Topher was cast as Eddie Brock
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Because he would make for a damn good Peter Parker for the next few Spider-Man movies.
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Wasn't Raimi forced to add Venom to the movie?
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I am having to guess you havent seen it yet then.... because seriously you expect us to belive anyone would want to watch it a second time? I mean come on the character Julia Roberts plays 'looks like' Julia Roberts, but dosent like to talk about it??? I laughed so hard I nearly died right then!
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... is indeed ugly! Hail Extreme Makeover!
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You would watch torture porn like Hostel again, but the FF movie gets a resounding no? This is where problems beging. Right here. With shit likes this...nevertheless...I do like your idea about immersing yourself in the sequels. Good call Capone. What am I forgetting? Oh yeah...fuck HOSTEL.
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Sorry, but Miss Howard may have a beautiful face, but i remember a blond bombshell from the comics that was long and slender, which Miss Howard just isn't (although they try to disguise that in the movie via clothing).
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Damn it!!! What a wasted Cinematic Event! If Brando two cotton balls in the mouth AKA "The Method" can come back, so should The World Funniest Running Matchstick!
I thought the spaceboy son story from 2 would be the Venom backstory answer- Kid goes to space- Mars or some other planet in the opening. They find a cool rock, on the way back home the black goo leaks out of the rock if infects someone shit goes bad and the Space shuttle crashes into the ocean. The space boy drowns and the black goo recedes into his head through his eyes. Kinda like Subspecies
Peter is at the funeral, since it's his bosses son. the black taint senses his peters powers and it races out of the spaceboys face onto Peters skin.
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But "The Dark Knight" will rule all comic book sequals.
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lots of boring character bits, im still gonna get tiks today for any midnight previews that are on. Thought they might finally nail a near perfect spidey flick this time but if the character convos are worse than the others im gonna be doin a lot of scene skippin come dvd time. As it is im gonna get toasted in the cinema bathroom , chill out and find a way to make the boring bits more interesting in my head.
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i actually agree that the film was spreading itself too thin. couldn't have been just about venom and harry? or venom and carnage (dream...)?
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From the sounds of it, Raimi/MacGuire/Dunst are kind of just going through the motions with this film. Spider-Man can really use a new director/writer and maybe actors who don't come off like they're a little bored with the series. A Dunst-less MJ can only be a good thing in a future movie.
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Which is a bit of a shame because that's a flaw everyone saw coming a mile off. Still excited to see it, though. Thanks for the review, Mr Capone.Anyone see Maguire and Dunst on Jonathan Ross the other night? Rarely do you get to see two American actors look so baffled.
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of watching the original films in the franchise to get in the mood and mindset for a sequel. So when you saw Casino Royale, did you watch ALL the previous Bond movies or just the Barry Nelson and Peter Niven versions of Casino Royale? (I guarantee that doing the latter would make the Daniel Craig version seem like the best movie ever made.)
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In other words its not very good. Bad start to Summer07!!
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Please, people, stop giving this a pass, this was a BAD way for the summer to start for me.
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This isn't the franchise sequel you're looking for. Just wait for TINO 2
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Then I'll say if it sucked or not.
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And the 2nd film was easily one of the best comic book movies ever, along with X2 and Donner's Superman.
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are there, but I'm still excited to see it. I don't think anything is going to defeat Spiderman 2.
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saw the movie yesterday, not good really. I just didn't care about the Sandman or Venom enough to give two hoots about the films ending. And can we please stop raping the comics by killing all the damn villains. How about letting one off the hook.
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Someone had to say it. There's no way this film could be as bad as Spidey 1. That flick had moments. Yet, it had Spidey being a wimp at the end of a flick. Thank goodness part 2 remedied this problem. Nevertheless, by the time Bumblebee shows up to change the face of action films forever. This movie will seem like it came out years ago.
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The clip of the fight between Parker and Goblin 2 looks just as cartoonish as the first outing. It must be really hard to program those CGI critters to look like real objects with weight and momentum. Whoever codes a physics engine that makes CGI people and objects move realistically as if they had mass to them will finally make CGI not look like crap.
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May 02, 2007 6:53:25 AM CDT
my enthusiasm for this film has not been dampened...
by just pillow talk
Still very psyched to see this. And no, Bumblebee will not change the face of action films forever. The scenes with no robots will make you cringe. Think Peal Harbor...
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some reviewer said it was written like aaron spellings version of spiderman. Hes dead, but his legacy lives on!!!!!!!!
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to watch spiderman 3 this friday at 8.50pm at leicester sqaure odeon. london. that fucking says it all
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http://tinyurl.com/2g7qaf choose the odeon leicester square
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hail to the king baby
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Do you get your spidey sense tingled by some ho included in that price? Damn...
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Between Pete & Mary Jane? Between Pete & Aunt May? Capone, my man, you were supposed to review 3, not 2.
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and I must say that I'm quite disappointed. Part 3 comes nowhere near the quality of the great Spidey 2, the fx where sometimes really good but sometimes shockingly mediocre, Bryce Dallas H. looks like shit (ugly one that is), Tobey has some nice laughs but also some silly scenes of mawkishness. Overall the first 2/3 of the movie where good but the last third is full of vexations. And the showdown was very boring.
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that Bruce Campbell is just hilarious in SPIDER-MAN 3!!! Man, I love that guy!
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It's not great but it's an "ok" addition.
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Id like to see Raimi do one more, with the Lizard before leaving.
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Okay, so maybe it's not quite up there with Spidey 2. And maybe it's too devoted to character and maudlin "forgiveness" themes. But I'd pay $8 just to watch a Spidey versus Sandman fight, so they're getting my money. They had my money for this a long time ago, and tomorrow at 11:30pm I will stroll in to see it with my erection. One thing I do agree with that seems to be a general consensus: enough with MJ getting fucking kidnapped by villains and dangled precariously in every fucking movie. Spidey should let her fall, already. I don't care if MJ makes some joke in this movie like, "Why do they always kidnap me!?" If you have to lighten it up with a joke like that, then you too (the writers) must know it's one time too many with the MJ in peril crap. I'd nail Kirsten for chuckles, but let's face it, in Spidey 1 and 2 she doesn't come across as being worth all the goddamn trouble. Wow, less than 24 hours and I'll have seen it. I think I am experiencing pre-come in my pants.
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Tom Poston, dead at (insert age here). Famous for being the not-so-famous guy who played second fiddle characters on countless TV sitcoms in the 1970s-80s, most notably, "Mork and Mindy." Many were under the impression he was already dead.
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When I walk into the cinema this Friday, I'll be embarrassed and chuckling as I imagine you walking into whatever picture house you went to, pants tent proudly protruding before you.
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Though I'm sure it's a longshot, Venom could return. Doc. Conners DOES have a healthy sample of the stuff at his lab.
I saw the film at a press screening. loved it. I'm sorry, as a venom fan since Secret Wars I have to disagree with many here. he looked excatly like Venom should look! Unfortunatly, that villian can't carry a movie...now Carnage and Lizard? NOW you're fucking talking.
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...I ditch Mary Jane AND Gwen and have a go at Betty Brant. She makes 'em both look like DMV employees!
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that there's too much drama and talking between the action. I really liked this movie. I just hope I'm wrong about how some people will accept it.
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Hope I like it. But Sam Raimi has got to quit the franchise after this. Three is enough. Bring on Evil Dead 4.0!
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When you watch the film, do we actually see the symbiote and Brock die? Or do they just "disappear?"
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Betty Brant was Pete's first chick he went gah-gah for...and she's definitely hot in these movies. Talk about pants tent...
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That is funny as hell. The black goo falling from the sky is a little stupid. I know they couldn't do the whole Secret Wars story but I thought they set it up nicely to do the cartoon version's origin. Jameson's son was astronaut who had been to Mars in the last movie. They could have just said it was a sample he brought back with him. Then it could have escaped from Doc Conners lab and found it's way to Peter. Oh well still sounds good.
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the amesia thing is a dead horse that has been beaten, stuffed, mounted, and is standing next to Trigger in the Roy Rogers Museum. Let me see if I understand this. Harry gets amnesia from his boo boo, but it goes all the way back to Spidey 2 at the moment he ripped off the mask. Is that what you're saying? How conveeeeenieeeent. How long is the break betw between the two movies. Sigh, only in Hollywood.
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Why not watch the first 20 Bond or Godzilla movies while you're at it? Sheesh. I watched Spider-Man 2 the other day but stopped there.
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can't. wait. to. see. him. in. this. movie.
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I will still see this, but from many of the reviews I've read, the film sounds cheesy. I agree that it's time for a new cast and director to take over this franchise. At this point, Raimi is going through the motions and Maguire is bored with the role (actually, I think he got bored with it after the first film).
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On the other hand, with the character thrown in as an afterthought at the insistence of Avi Arid...perhaps not venomy enough.
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John Jameson had "played football on the moon," but I don't recall any reference to Mars. Still, in early rumors about the movie, you are right--the black goo was gonna arrive to earth via John and a space shuttle or some crap like that.
Minor spoiler GRAMMATON: According to the novel, the temporary amnesia stretches back farther than that, to the point where Harry has to be reminded that his dad was in fact killed at all. I think as a plot device, the amnesia works because it gives Peter a moment's relief in tension from the my-best-friend-wants-to-kill me suspense, and he's reminded of the way things ought to be, and possibly could be. Plus, it gives Willem DaFoe a chance to return and remind Harry how 'weak' he's being. -
Damn we have some no critic douches on these forums. One dude actually said X2 was great and one guy asked if the action was better than 300? Are you serious? X2 was a masterpiece compared to xmen 1 but it still was average and 300 was good but nothing groundbreaking.
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it's clear he didn't like it but didn't want to be clear about it. Well, I give some credit for the honesty that was there.
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Do we get some decent wisecracks and one-liners that at least hint at the hilarious dialogue from the comics that has been sorely lacking in this movies? I am so fucking sick of emo Peter Parker.
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I mean, you got two of the hottest women ever to grace the pages of a comic book and you cast them as Kirsten Dunst and Opie's daughter? Really? That sounds an awful lot like someone who doesn't much care for the ladies.
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Not Cool news. This sucks. Who's next. Bets anyone?
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sorry.
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Rachel McAdams as Mary Jane and Rose Byrne as Gwen Stacy. Not only are they both a heck of a lot better looking than their conunterparts, they're better actresses, too. Then again, I think a bag of flour is a better actress than Kirtsen Dunst.
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Dude, have you seen the picturs of Opie's daughter?? Maybe you're the gone who's a little limp in the wrist. Then again I'm just a sucker for natural redheads to Dunst doesn't count. Bryce makes a great blonde though.
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equals the crewcut on Johnny "SuperSkrull," which equals flames on Optimus and nipples on Batman. Even my 7-yr old daughter was annoyed that Doc Ock dies so soon after his "redemption." He rights what he did wrong by dousing the fusion reactor in the river, but dies in doing so. Okay, a noble sacrifice, but please Sam, give us some hope that he might have lived through it.
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Look at a picture of Rose Byrne. Then look at a picture of Bryce's hips (make sure you have your settings at "landscape"). Then, get back to me.
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Okay, so Opie's daughter is a little wide in the hips. She's still very good-looking. I like Kirsten, but I'm not ga-ga over her. And Garbageman might be right that a bag of flour can act better. Heck, if you add water, it might even be more fun in bed. But I'm glad Raimi has cast women in Spidey that pass as "real." If you cast women who truly resembled the hotness of MJ and Gwen in the comics, shucks, I dunno. I can believe that Dunst's MJ really is the girl next door. Let's put it that way. At the end of the day, all straight men know that the hottest chick in Spidey is the girl who plays Betty, with the landlord's daughter and Aunt May tied for second place :)
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Rachel McAdams can easily pass as the girl next door. In fact, that's what she usually plays. She's great at it and she makes me happy in the pants in the process. As for Rose Byrne, judge for yourself. http://tinyurl.com/36ctph
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Fecal Debris, you fogot to mention "Newhart".
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http://www.themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/spiderman3.html
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and Miss Brandt is hotter than all the bitches in there now. She was the crazy bitch in the 40 Yr Old Virgin.
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Let's be honest, the first two were not revolutionary film making and neither is # 3. They are better than average movies that did an excellent job of adapting their source material. And they're are a fucking blast to watch. End of story. Fuck anyone who wastes their time and energy actively hating this fluff. Good day.
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I was disappointed when I first heard the meteor shower would be the source for venom. Thought they wuold got with the more believable bit from the comics, and better set up by the second film, of having it come from space spores picked up when spider-man saved astronaut jameson's son from an out of control spacecraft about to crash on re-entry. Ditching that and replacing it with a deus-ex meteor shower seems like not so good a trade.
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...Don't all self respecting fanboys do that?!?
Fuck me when the star wars prequels came out my mates and myself had to book 2 days off work (with the last one anyway) to watch them all in uninterrupted succession! Same with LOTR, POTC, T3 (not recommended in this case, just makes the 3rd one look bad and it really isn't)
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All ten Friday the 13th films, all the Nightmare on Elm Street films, and Freddy Vs. Jason when Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Michael vs. Leatherface Vs. Candyman Vs. Godzilla comes out?
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to watch all the Bond flicks the next time 007 is in action.
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but I think I'll be correct in my assessment that Venom should have only been a small part of the 3rd movie, only at the end and leading directly into Spidey 4 and the big showdown. Also, Spidey 3 and 4 should have been filmed back-to-back. It's the new rage these days, thankfully replacing the prequel as the thing to do for studio tentpole movies.
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The average american is unaware of the origins of the storylines we have come to love from reading comics. I am going into the movie with that mind set. Now if the movie just sucks all around THEN I will post some comments on what they did. I really hope they leave it open for venom to come back. I really do. I guess I will just have to wait until thursday night to see what happens.
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Gosh, she sure is purty, if a little too skinny for my taste.
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but it underscores just how poorly utilized Dunst is this time around..
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I'm up in the air about IMAX, though. Did anyone catch Dunst and Maguire on Letterman? Someone should tell the obnoxious, arrogant "Dunce" that it's "Spider-Man 3", not "Mary Jane 3"; and Maguire, lighten up. You got fame and fortune and you're not on welfare anymore, so enjoy it, brother, while you got it.
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and comes back later. But they've teased us with Dr. Connors enough now, and it's time for the Lizard to make an appearance. Trouble is with a sequel, you need to figure out what the real "story" will be, not just who will Spidey fight with. Maybe have the Peter-MJ wedding, maybe have Aunt May die, maybe have Peter get injured to the point where he really is out of action, like a broken leg or some shit. I know back when I read the comic book he screwed up his arms enough and wore webslings. I'd love to see him fight Juggernaut--but not the Vinnie Jones Ratner Juggernaut, it'd HAVE to be the brown armored version we're familiar with. Rhino wouldn't be bad, or Electro. Or Shocker. Hell, retcon the story so that they're all flunkies who work at some tech-factory, and all of them gain their unique powers at the same friggin' time. Cuts down on the origin bullshit. Except Juggie--his power MUST come from the gem of Cytorrak. Jesus Christ, everyone KNOWS that!
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I'll write your goddamned scripts for the next three films for free, and they will borrow respectfully from source material and will rock balls. Thing is, you've used the best, most obvious villains AND the best story material for the first two movies. Now you're short on ideas. Yeah, you'll have to be clever and have a damn good story and keep your bad guys from being too B or C level, like Stilt Man or Leap-Frog or Speed Demon. But I can do it. Jesus wants me to do it!
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Capone is being surprisingly forgiving. Major plot-holes aside, it may be me, but I could swear the actress that was supposed to be the "hot" Gwen Stacey had a fat ass. They were trying to hide that enormous kadunkadunk the entire movie. They couldn't even CG it out! The Dark Parker Thrust Dance, as he entered or left every room was freaking hilarious...for 10 minutes! I didn't get the scrawny heroin-addicted landlords daughter in 2 and I really don't get it in 3. She must be related to someone or maybe one of the stunt doubles from Army of Darkness. And I really loved all the crying. Cumpstons review is a little more on the money, honey.
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...can Kirsten get some F-ING dental work done, for crying out loud? Jeez, you could open bottles with those snaggle-teeth.
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Did she get those teeth fixed? There ain't no foolin' the dentist.
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Oh yeah it was the Moon. It's been awhile since I've seen it. by the way the women in the movie are hot. I like Bryce a little better that Kirsten. But neither can be called ugly. I seen Kirsten at a Hives concert 2 years ago at Webster Hall and I have to say she's pretty fucking hot.!
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Has amnesia ever been used as a plot device where it wasn't completely gay? Terri Bauer's hour and a half bout excluded, of course.
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In movies like the Bourne Identity, where the character STARTS off with amnesia and the audience learns with him, that works. I'm talking about a character we know getting amnesia for some contrived plot reason. That's always gay.
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With them snaggle-teeth?
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SPOILERS about Harry's amnesia. No really, SPOILERS. It's almost a necessary plot device here, as it allows the "good" Harry to return, to forget that he wants to kill Peter, and why. This helps remind Pete that they are, or were, best friends and could be buddies again. And it helps Harry charm up to Mary Jane, who's been put off by emo-Peter, who isn't being sympathetic with her career problems. Then, having charmed MJ, her rejection of him hits much harder. Visions of his father come back to remind him of his "weakness," and Harry is much more villainous when he uses MJ to break up with Peter and manipulate other stuff.
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Dude, I know you gave me some info way earlier, and I appreciate that, but c'mon. Insert Darth Vader for Harry in the above notes, and Luke for Peter and you have the ending to ROTJ. Amnesia is a lame copout of uncreative minds. When it was first introduced, when dinosaurs roamed, it was new and groundbreaking. Now, zzzz...
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also serves to remind everyone that their is both good and bad in all of us. Harry is exactly like Peter. He lost a father figure and is trying to avenge that father figure. The only difference is that Peter did good with it while Harry did bad with it.
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But maybe that means we'll then enjoy it more, right?....Right?
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C'mon everybody sing along. Oops can't have amnesia. Forgot the line. But my amnesia only effects this one song, and nothing else in my life.
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And you're right. Characters starts out with it, Memento, Bourne Identity et al it works for now until that plot device gets overused.
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Forget Spiderman Look at this Iron man Armor.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b238/dmariomc/ironmannewcostume.jpg -
While the amnesia thing is sort of weak, I can't wait to see this!Justice41 - link didn't work for me, no pic.
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on Rottentomatoes. It was in the 80s yesterday but has dropped to 72% fresh. Still fresh, but that's 20% less than Spidey 2. A lot of critics are reporting what many of us feared all along--this movie is too crowded, too melodramatic, too busy. Not that I care what they think. Me and my erection will see for ourselves tomorrow at midnight. And I'm guessing some schlepp teenager will a mop will have to clean up after my manspackle
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nice find. armor looks sweet.
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I've seen images of that armor for a long time, now. Damn, it would suck having to put all that shit on. Certainly wouldn't be able to handle emergency situations. Were time of the essence, all the people you'd be trying to save would be dead before you got your iron undies on.
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Code Name: The Cleaner starring Cedric the Entertainer. We all loved that movie with the amnesia plot right? RIGHT???!!!!
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Where did u get that....plus it looks like a drawing.
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all those movies again, it would probably motivate me to stay home. The only way I'll go to see most of this year's sequels is if I somehow get caught up in the hype. Because, imo, most of the movies leading up to this summer's fare weren't that hot to begin with. And if this Spidey has deep flaws, forget it. I thought the first was passable and the second was atrocious.
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http://movies.yahoo.com /mv/news/fs/20070502/ 117813423500.html
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Go watch The Cleaner then Grammaton. I might ask what the fuck are you doing watching that to begin with?Okay CherryValance, do you like any of the comic book movies that came out, and if so, which ones?
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Never have seen it. I'd rather put out cigarettes in my eyeballs. That does not mean I'm unaware of the lame plot. That's been my point all along. Amnesia has been done to death. Yes, I'll shell out money for Spidey this weekend. I can't wait to see it, and the action sounds great. But the convenient amesia plot tool is just overdone.
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THAT'S ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO PRINT
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People are right when they say Venom is only in it for 10 minutes, Grace is in the film longer, as is the symbiont, however those two combined as venom take up very little screen time. There is so much going on I never noticed at first, my fingers are firmly crossed for a more Venomous 4.
Still an amazing movie though, I do not think there is too much going on, just a lot more than we are used to in a Spidey film.
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but I'm probably already predisposed to enjoying the hell out of this one. I'll have to see how the movie plays out for myself. I had hoped that Venom would just be a teaser for the fourth movie, but then again, I'd rather have a sinister six type movie.
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May 02, 2007 12:44:40 PM CDT
See pillow talk, we're on the same wavelength
by grammaton cleric binks
Don't mistake debate for hate.
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I see now that the picture is the MOVIE version of the armor. Which I like, because it's so much like the current comic version.
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That's what it seemed like. He should have kept Brock but only at the VERY END as a cliffhanger have the symbiote take him. Then the fourth movie could have been mainly Venom with possibly Lizard and/or Black Cat.
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Spider-Man 3 will no longer be something I've been looking forward to, but rather something I have already experienced. Then I'll be able to get on with life.
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Also the fact it was over a week ago has meant I have had to wait to second view, which is a new fresh hell, also I lost my job and am getting evicted, two things that are colouring my mood yet have to taint my Spiderman memories, yet.
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May 02, 2007 1:04:59 PM CDT
oh, the 'hate' comment wasn't really directed at you
by just pillow talk
there have been numerous other posters who 1)think this will suck (from the Cumpston post too) and 2)the first two movies were no good.
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the first three Indiana Jones'
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Yeah, it's kind of common knowledge that Raimi is a "classic" spidey fan and wasn't interested in a Venom story. But Avi Arad or Grant Curtis or one of other producer / writers "convinced" him that Venom is over 20 years old and does have a hardcore following, and that his inclusion would win favor. Guess he still wasn't sold on the idea, since all reviews suggest that his appearance is shoehorned at the end of the movie, at which point he is handily disposed of. That's CRAP, brothers!! Raimi should have either stuck to his guns and said, "no venom" or else really done a good story around him or set him up as the baddie for 4.
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No offensive Capone, but those are the opinions I come to this site for.
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I saw Spidey 3 last night. Three of my impressions that I'm sure a lot of people are going to have after seeing this...
1. The action sequences are absolutely AMAZING. As good or better than the other films.
2. The story is good. Not great, but good. Yes, too much is crammed in the movie, but I think they realized this is the last one they're doing for a while and they wanted to try and give fans what they wanted. It just comes off as a bit too much.
3. This movie has some of the most dumb, ridiculous, and badly acted scenes. Seriously, my friend and I laughed at how stupid some of the scenes were in the movie. The scenes with Harry without a memory are so badly acted by James Franco you can't help but laugh at how unnatural it is. The scene with Harry and MJ in his kitchen just randomly dancing the twist while making an omlett was pointless and stupid looking. The jazz club scene where Peter jumps around, begins playing the piano, and then dancing with Gwen was like a scene out of The Mask.(I agree with the Alex on the Totally Rad Show about that) And finally, the scene with Peter walking down the street checking out the girls and dancing was a joke. It wasn't like the scene in Spidey 2 with Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head.
Overall, the movie is entertaining and good, but some of the scenes in the movie almost ruin it. I loved the first two Spideys. I watched them multiple times and I remember after seeing each of them for the first time, I wanted to immeadiately go back and watch them again. This one didn't give me that feeling. The only reason I would want to watch it again would be for the action sequences.
Oh yeah, Capone has the Gwen Stacy/MJ thing right. Bryce Dallas Howard is so beautiful in this movie. She makes MJ look horrible. -
They still could have had Spidey in the black suit and Brock and only had Venom created in the last scene of the movie. It could have been the one from the trailer where he growls and leaps at the camera. Fade to black. How awesome would that have been? People in the audience would have gone NUTS and everyone would be stoked for Spidey 4. Sadly, not to be.
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I had similar feelings watching S3, but I'm hearing people say that Venom was shoehorned in, but I'll be damned if the Sandman character was just as underdeveloped and as unresolved as I've seen. And don't get me started on the big Cum-ba-ya cryfest at the end. As an all-things-Raimi lover, I'm confused by this movie and rather than repost my earlier review on Cumpstons TB, I've just got one concept to leave you guys with...The Dark-Peter Pelvic Thrust dance. Now go see the movie!
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and his dance thrust. I know that after turning "good" again, he'll be embarrassed remembering how he acted. I think most of us here can understand--because most of us have been drunk before and done stupid ass things. That's kinda what the black suit does for him. It's ego alcohol
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thats what ive been saying the whole time.... hollywood cant piece together a logical story for shit. have jamieson shuttle bring back the symbiote, either spidey goes to recuse the crashed shuttle or the symbiote is being studied by some lab and breaks loose... it would have been much more convincing for some scientist in a lab talk about how its an alien parasite rather than for audience to just see some goop go onto peter.
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it would have worked in the overall story's advantage. spidey saves the day BIG TIME by stopping a shuttle crash somehow and saving those astronauts' lives. Bam we move right onto spiderman day celebration, cut out gwens character so we have one less major coincidence. A much better intro to the black goo AND you'll see why new york loves spidey so much.
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I think that 1) this will suck and 2)the first two movies were utter crap. And guess what: Every comic book adaptation since Burton's Batman sucked, too.
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No. It's okay to disagree and have a different opinion. But you are wrong, sir! WRONG
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So mechanical web shooters are farfetched
by Macktheknife01 May 2nd, 2007
08:31:07 AM
apparently super ooze falling from the sky to land next to the only superhero in the world isn't. And don't argue clearly in the films no one has ever heard of super hero before as everyone is totally baffled by spidey. this movie sounds like batman returns, which also sucked -
May 02, 2007 6:18:46 PM CDT
Capone...it was the power of Christ that compelled you!
by salvatoregravano
And you know it.
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I hate this trilogy. What an overrated pile of crap. Spider-man was my favorite super hero growing up, but Tobey is horrendous. He is such a. . . woman. I can't look past it.
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...the first release in Rotterdam (not really.) Anyway, I feel my high hopes slipping away, but I'll see it on DVD like all the others. I hope the 4th installment is the last, and would really like to see a Lizard/Hobogoblin plot based on the early McFarlane Spiderman classics. Maybe even a Ghostrider appearance. Dark and intense...let's get passed Spiderman being a kid thing, cause that's when it really started getting good in the comics anyway.
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TINO cannot become the best movie of the summer. Something tells me the bees already knew this was going to happen.
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She was on Today with the rest of the cast on Monday morning. I know she had a kid recently, but she looked 200 lbs easily.
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its great...its as good as the others...no better no worse..its spiderman film.....the only reason I think signs of fatigue are showing is due to us not the film...if this was spiderman 1 people would be saying it was fucking jaw droppinglyamazing but its thr third part of the franchise so it seems stale to us as we strat to get expectations that cannot possibly be met....we are tired of spidey..the film is fine....it really cements in my mind the fact that sam raimi should not be given the hobbit though....i like his films but raimi and the hobbit will be a fucking disaster if you ask me..he does not have the right sensibility for it at all....but I do think he needs to leave spidey and do something else now....just not the hobbit
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Oh My GOD! If that's the case, Raimi must have had his dog write the damn thing. In the dark. With a pencil tied to its dick. After shotgunning the mutt some serious weed. I saw the first two Spiderman movies. I have to say there is NO excuse at all for a large-budget Hollywood movie like this to be written at a level WORSE than the crap that those movies were. Not that the movies were bad, per se. But yeah, they were. Bad.
Granted, I'm not a huge Spidey fan, but I was actually pissed off for the people who are. I thought the people who are really so invested in such a long-standing American superhero icon deserved 2 much better movies. And I guess this one apparently couldn't be even THAT good. -
It'll be interesting to read Harry and Mri's analysis of Spider-Man 3, but having seen the film, I think Capone nailed it extremely well in his review, as to why the film is mostly disappointing and the weak, disappointing script is the problem.
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Raimi's movies are too mopey.
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This flick not only confused itself but me in the process of watching it. What exactly was I watching? I really wanted to be a comic book movie but for some reason these silly drawn out overly dramatic character interaction kept getting in the way and killing all the good vibe that had been built up by the last scene. AND the ending..."your my bestest friend ever in the whole wide world"...give me a break. I think chicks will like this more than guys.
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James Franco plays his amnesia as if he were mentally challenged...
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Think about it.
Evil Dead 1 = Spiderman 1
Evil Dead 2 = Spiderman 2
Similar because Spiderman 2 is almost a remake of the first one that improves on alot of things and has a bigger budget. It's also less serious than the first.
Army of Darkness = Spiderman 3
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YOU JUST READ MY FUCKIN MIND! I agree whole hearedly (with the comparison of the first 2 movies, I haven't seen 3 yet)
Here's hoping it's not a disappointing as some are making it out to be. -
contributing to the FTB fund, where we at FTB believe that Kathy Bates needs to be fed to regain her gigantic hideous self and save the world. Our phones are standing by...
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I'm lifelong Spidey fan, collected the comics back in the day, blah blah blah, and I loved the first two movies and wouldn't change much about them, given the chance. I don't think anyone could have done much better.
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Preach the cheadlistc goodness of Spidey!
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I mean wtf amnesia i hate that direction(unless its a mystery) just put him in a coma for fucks sake
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Carnage wouldnt be bad if you skip a movie but adding HIS kid(toxin) is nuckin futs and yes he did have a mini series
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